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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Kubla on July 29, 2009, 05:13:29 PM
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So I used the search function but I couldn't find one. So I just thought that I'll make one for any sort of KC discussion.
As for myself I'm not the biggest fan but much of their stuff (including all the Red album) I've listened to hits the sweet spot and the DT cover pretty much resparked my interest for all things King Crimson. I've been wondering what's a good next album after Red. Any suggestions? (or just talk about KC in general).
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Three of A Perfect Pair is probably the next album to get. Followed by Discipline. I like this band very much, though I only have a few albums.
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Their debut (In the Court of the Crimson King) is an absolute classic and one of my all-time favourite albums.
I only own their first three (that, In the Wake of Poseidon, and Red) but I keep meaning to check more out.
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King Crimson is a funny band in that their discography starts so weakly, but becomes a force after its third or fourth album. So good...
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I only have In The Court of the Crimson King (yea, yea, yea I know...) and LOVE it. Pure classic.
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I only have In The Court of the Crimson King (yea, yea, yea I know...) and LOVE it. Pure classic.
That surprises me, brakkum. From what I've implied of your taste in music, you'd completely love pretty much everything they've put out.
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I only have In The Court of the Crimson King (yea, yea, yea I know...) and LOVE it. Pure classic.
That surprises me, brakkum. From what I've implied of your taste in music, you'd completely love pretty much everything they've put out.
haha yea, im sure i would. hopefully i can get to some record stores soon and find some nice used vinyl.
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Does anyone know when Neal Morse did a cover of Starless? I heard it before the DT show and I was just wondering when this happened...
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Does anyone know when Neal Morse did a cover of Starless? I heard it before the DT show and I was just wondering when this happened...
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2024143
Just a quick google search, I avoid MP.com like the plague. :P
I have all of their albums up to Three of A Perfect Pair, bar Islands and I like every one.
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My favourite KC album that I've heard so far is probably Island followed by In the Wake of Poseidon and Larks' Tongues.
I've heard all up to Red EXCEPT In the Court of the Crimson King, strangely.
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King Crimson is a funny band in that their discography starts so weakly, but becomes a force after its third or fourth album. So good...
Wat?! There is no way their first album could be considered "weak" in a million years. >:(
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Last week, I got the LTIA cover tattooed on my right shoulder.
So yeah, I think they're ok...
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Last week, I got the LTIA cover tattooed on my right shoulder.
So yeah, I think they're ok...
Wow millah, that should make for a cool tattoo! I love the LTIA cover art (and the album as well). Wetton/Bruford era is my favorite by far. It's too bad they stopped at Red. Of the 80s Belew stuff, I like Discipline the best.
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Their first album is one of my all-time favorites. I am trying to familiarize myself w/ the rest of the KC catalog right now, but haven't had much time to get around to it.
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Last week, I got the LTIA cover tattooed on my right shoulder.
So yeah, I think they're ok...
Yup, I plan on getting it tattoed on in a few years also.
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(https://media.photobucket.com/image//m_b_miller/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMDUuanBn.jpg)
Not sure if this works or not...had to use photobucket on my blackberry, and it didn't give me the options of IMG tags...
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suggestions
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(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/m_b_miller/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMDUuanBn.jpg)
I took that with my blackberry (without the aid of a mirror) at close range in bad lighting. Better pic later...
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I think it translates really well as a tattoo
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In The Court of the Crimson King is definitely one of the best albums of all time :tup
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@OP: The Power to Believe is definitly the best modern KC album, I'd recommend that. If you liked Red get Starless and Bible Black.
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I just got a whole mess of crimson albums. I'm trying to get into them, and I really like what I've been hearing. I have a few of their albums now. I'm listening to Thrak right now and I'm really digging it. I also have Red, larks tongues, starless and bible black, and the power to believe.
I really like all the sounds I'm hearing. I like how everything just sounds like a musical adventure. Everyone can seem to be playing whatever the hell they want yet they stick together like glue somehow. It's very cool stuff.
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I just got a whole mess of crimson albums. I'm trying to get into them, and I really like what I've been hearing. I have a few of their albums now. I'm listening to Thrak right now and I'm really digging it. I also have Red, larks tongues, starless and bible black, and the power to believe.
I really like all the sounds I'm hearing. I like how everything just sounds like a musical adventure. Everyone can seem to be playing whatever the hell they want yet they stick together like glue somehow. It's very cool stuff.
If you're digging the Wetton-era stuff, I highly suggest you get USA...the studio recordings are tame relative to what the live performances sound like. The version of LTIA pt. II that starts off that set is just...bloodthirsty. If you like that, get The Great Deceiver...four CD live set from that era. Lots of improvs, a few rarities, and versions of the studio songs that never sound the same twice (3 or 4 versions of Easy Money, and each is unique). Plus, the set ends with a sick joke...the last song on the last disc is The Talking Drum!
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Current rankings on my kick:
Tier I: Starless and Bible Black, Red
Tier II: In the Court of the Crimson King, In the Wake of Poseidon, Larks' Tongues in Aspic
Tier III: Lizard, Islands
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Awesome band. My third favorite. I can't think of too many albums I dislike by them.
Bill Bruford is God. :hefdaddy
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@OP: The Power to Believe is definitly the best modern KC album, I'd recommend that. If you liked Red get Starless and Bible Black.
I've heard good tracks from both albums so I guess I'll pick up whichever I see at the store.
Awesome band. My third favorite. I can't think of too many albums I dislike by them.
Bill Bruford is God. :hefdaddy
My brother and I were talking about old school prog rock drummers and I couldn't stop talkin' up Bill Bruford. If there was a prog rock super group made up entirely of old guard players, I'd have to flip a coin between Peart and Bruford. I love 'em both.
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Bruford > Peart
That's right, I said it.
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Bruford > Peart
That's right, I said it.
I choose not to decide.
I don't know how else to put this.
There are no weak King Crimson albums.
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Bruford > Peart
That's right, I said it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOPUuIYL0c&feature=related
When it gets to fourth minute I just: :eek :hefdaddy
(Also, ironically, as I went to go find this video, a Rush song came on my library via shuffle. I think Peart was trying to stop me and be all, "No! I swear I'm better!")
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Bill Bruford is Good. :)
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Don't you put words in my mouth! >:(
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I think there are few songs I've ever heard where the contribution of each member holds such an important place in the overall sound as in 'Exiles'. The way all the instruments come together in this song is beautiful.
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Looks like some new 5.1 remixes are on the way (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=81176). I may have to get some.
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Heh, it's been awhile and I forgot all about my previous post there. Then I stumbled across these re-releases and they're coming within a few weeks. Should be fun getting into them some, but it's gonna be damn expensive to try and keep up with all of the releases.
https://www.king-crimson.com/
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Steven Wilson is doing them, from what I recall reading on Bill Bruford's Facebook. How positively awesome! :hefdaddy
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Bruford > Peart
That's right, I said it.
Isn´t that obvious?
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Bump. I've listened to The Night Watch and Three of a Perfect Pair in the last 24 hours. Stunning music, and I feel the same way every time I pull out this band and give them spins.
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Stunning band, created music so ahead of it's time. albums like Red, Discipline, ITCOTCK, and The Power To Believe are amazingly close to perfect.
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A cool band. Favorite albums: Lizard, The Court, Larks tongues, and Discipline.
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I'm still listening to a lot of KC's stuff for the first time. I've worked my way up from Court to Red and so far they are by far my favorite. So far my least favorite are Larks' Tongues and Starless and Bible Black. I know KC is all about improvisation being a big part of their sound but on those two albums it was a bit much for me.
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Bumping this thread to hopefully remind myself to give Red more time over the next few weeks.
Despite it being rated like a bitch, this album hasn't do it for me too much thus far, especially as an overall album. I like everything on it, but I don't think it all comes together too well, and in the end, it doesn't feel as fulfilling as some of their other albums.
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I've always preferred Larks' over Red.
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Yeah, I like Larks better. The instrumental side is a lot funner and more interesting and wild. It doesn't have a Starless, but I think it's better more consistently.
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I actually prefer Starless and Bible Black to Larks and Red. All three are solid, though.
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Gavin Harrison playing for King Crimson :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I have In The Court Of The Crimson King (in fact I'm waiting for an early vinyl pressing in the post of it) and I have Red. Awesome, AWESOME stuff.
So where can I get the 5.1 remix of ITCOTCK? And will it be playable on a 2.1 system?
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Three of a Perfect Pair, In The Court of the Crimson King and Larks' Tongues In Aspic are my three favorite KC albums.
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Went out today, found the 2CD stereo remix of Court and fucking bought it :tup. Was also discounted by 20% to $24.80 AUD. Cannot wait to listen to this!
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:heart King Crimson
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Hmmm, looks like I didn't post in this thread originally, but I had to bump it now just to say that Discipline is the bee's knees. :hat
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USA is a great live album.
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I've been listening to some later King Crimson works this week, since I've never given a listen to the post 80s albums. I found THRAK very interesting, the playing is amazing, and the general atmosphere is just sick. I moved onto The Construkction of light today, sounds insane so far.
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USA is a great live album.
I've discovered that I actually like the "original" of USA (before the overdubs) better than the release. That set is part of The Great Deceiver box set.
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Hmmm, looks like I didn't post in this thread originally, but I had to bump it now just to say that Discipline is the bee's knees. :hat
I think I'm the only person here that doesn't really like that album.
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USA is a great live album.
I've discovered that I actually like the "original" of USA (before the overdubs) better than the release. That set is part of The Great Deceiver box set.
I love USA and used to really love USA until I figured out what the liner notes meant regarding "Remix assistance by Eddie Jobson". It means that those incredible electric violin solos by Jobson on the opening and closing tracks were overdubs and never happened live. Argh. I hate that. Apparently Fripp felt that those sections needed a little something and David Cross didn't deliver. So now whenever I listen to those tracks, I try to block out Eddie.
I love Jobson's work with U.K. and pretty much everything else I've heard by him (except maybe Jobson/Gunn) but that kinda ruined USA a little bit for me.
I have The Great Deceiver somewhere; I didn't realize that those were the same performances as on USA except minus the overdubs. I just thought they were from the same tour. I gotta check this out again now.
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Well, shit man. I remembered I tried very hard to find an original master/release for USA, but sadly I had to settle with a remix/remaster. I remember that now, it sounded really good too thanks to maybe overdubbing? I've never heard the original yet. Thanks for pointing that out guys. :tup
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I just bought the "In The Court of the Crimson King" deluxe boxset. I had been toying with the idea for awhile, but I could never justify spending that much money on an album I already own.
But I caved in and now I am excited for it to arrive. :metal
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I have to say that I understand it when some people are underwhelmed by In the Court of the Crimson King. Especially considering the barely-bridled-insanity that King Crimson was to become later, the debut album is very low key. Sure, it opens with the amazing "21st Century Schizoid Man" but after that it gets mellow and even later when it gets pretty intense, it's a quiet intensity borne of conflict and innuendo. One can only wait so long for the tension to break before honestly starting to lose interest, and frankly, if you're not thrilled by the title track, which is still mellow and introspective, you can be left feeling like the whole thing never really paid off. Lots of foreplay, and then... hmm.
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I like the debut record, but am not nutty about it like a lot of people are. In fact, my being underwhelmed by it for a long time is why I never really got around to checking them out more closely until around '03 or so. Over time, I have grown to like it more, but I still think records like The Power to Believe, Discipline and Red are vastly superior.
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Don't know how I missed this thread... I have to say that the Wetton-Era is probably my favorite, and those three albums are definitely some of my top 3 KC albums. I really do like The Power To Believe and have hoped that Fripp would make another album before all is said and done. If not, at least TPTB is a pretty damn good album.
I don't think I listen to 80's-Era KC as much as I should. That trio of albums is very good in their own right - certainly a different sound than the Wetton-Era or the "Modern" trio of albums they've released since the 90's.
I still haven't bought any of the remasters by SW, but I'm not really big into 5.1 (mostly because I don't have the system for it), but the bonus tracks do interest me. It'll probably take all of next year for me to catch up on the remasters, especially since I have so much other stuff to still catch up on.
-Marc.
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I have to say that I understand it when some people are underwhelmed by In the Court of the Crimson King. Especially considering the barely-bridled-insanity that King Crimson was to become later, the debut album is very low key. Sure, it opens with the amazing "21st Century Schizoid Man" but after that it gets mellow and even later when it gets pretty intense, it's a quiet intensity borne of conflict and innuendo. One can only wait so long for the tension to break before honestly starting to lose interest, and frankly, if you're not thrilled by the title track, which is still mellow and introspective, you can be left feeling like the whole thing never really paid off. Lots of foreplay, and then... hmm.
The title track is one of the greatest album climaxes ever.
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I have to say that I understand it when some people are underwhelmed by In the Court of the Crimson King. Especially considering the barely-bridled-insanity that King Crimson was to become later, the debut album is very low key. Sure, it opens with the amazing "21st Century Schizoid Man" but after that it gets mellow and even later when it gets pretty intense, it's a quiet intensity borne of conflict and innuendo. One can only wait so long for the tension to break before honestly starting to lose interest, and frankly, if you're not thrilled by the title track, which is still mellow and introspective, you can be left feeling like the whole thing never really paid off. Lots of foreplay, and then... hmm.
I understand what you're saying. I think I felt that way the first time I listened to the record, but it's been so long I can't remember much. The album to me, now, is just very good but not amazing. I don't have that much of their material at the moment but I can tell there's better. I really like Red.
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I have to say that I understand it when some people are underwhelmed by In the Court of the Crimson King. Especially considering the barely-bridled-insanity that King Crimson was to become later, the debut album is very low key. Sure, it opens with the amazing "21st Century Schizoid Man" but after that it gets mellow and even later when it gets pretty intense, it's a quiet intensity borne of conflict and innuendo. One can only wait so long for the tension to break before honestly starting to lose interest, and frankly, if you're not thrilled by the title track, which is still mellow and introspective, you can be left feeling like the whole thing never really paid off. Lots of foreplay, and then... hmm.
I felt this way for a long time actually. ItCotKC had "21st Century Schizoid" man and the title track and that was all I really enjoyed. But then I picked up the 5.1 remasters and, for some reason, "Epitaph" and "I Talk to the Wind" really clicked for me. "Moonchild" still sucks though, the only blight on an absolutely amazing album.
Red is a fantastic album as well. It has one of my favorite songs by them, namely "Starless." Lizard has grown on me a lot as well. Actually, the new remasters have helped me to get into a lot of their catalogue that I initially passed over or ignored. I still need to pick up Islands.
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That's funny. Your name is "The King in Crimson", yet you don't have all their albums? :lol
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I actually like Moonchild quite a bit. I can see why many might find it boring though.
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That's funny. Your name is "The King in Crimson", yet you don't have all their albums? :lol
Nope. ;)
I DO have Bruce Dickinson's The Chemical Wedding though and I do love what I've heard of KC's 70's output. I've been meaning to listen to their 80's and beyond stuff, but I just... haven't.
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Yeah I'm not a huge fan of "Court". Its a little tough to sit through the whole thing but the opening and closing tracks are god tier. Epitaph is really good too and has some of my favorite lyrics.
I'm still excited to hear the demos and everything, I love stuff like that. And the 5.1 mix... YESSSSSS
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That's funny. Your name is "The King in Crimson", yet you don't have all their albums? :lol
Nope. ;)
I DO have Bruce Dickinson's The Chemical Wedding though and I do love what I've heard of KC's 70's output. I've been meaning to listen to their 80's and beyond stuff, but I just... haven't.
Ah k, fair enough-fair enough. I get like that with many bands. Never get entire studio stuff for quite a while.
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*appreciates*
One of the most influential bands ever.
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You guys are all on crack, Court is amazing, a near perfect album.
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You guys are all on crack, Court is amazing, a near perfect album.
This!
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Bruford > Peart
That's right, I said it.
Isn´t that obvious?
It is. Peart is a boring drummer devoid of spontaneity or uniqueness, while Bruford is always fun as hell to listen to.
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I have The Great Deceiver somewhere; I didn't realize that those were the same performances as on USA except minus the overdubs. I just thought they were from the same tour. I gotta check this out again now.
For me, the biggest benefit is that awful vocal distortion on 21CSM is absent...it was added during mixing, and I think it sounds drastically better without it.
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Bruford > Peart
That's right, I said it.
Isn´t that obvious?
It is. Peart is a boring drummer devoid of spontaneity or uniqueness, while Bruford is always fun as hell to listen to.
They're both great. It depends what you're in for or what drummer will easily go with the mood you're in. :tup
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I have The Great Deceiver somewhere; I didn't realize that those were the same performances as on USA except minus the overdubs. I just thought they were from the same tour. I gotta check this out again now.
For me, the biggest benefit is that awful vocal distortion on 21CSM is absent...it was added during mixing, and I think it sounds drastically better without it.
Oh that Fripp, what a wacky guy! I actually think the vocal distortion on 21C Man is kinda cool. The vocals on the studio version have some distortion, and I just figured that this is the next level. Wetton's voice is more intense than Lake's, and somehow the idea that the words are nearly untelligible adds to the fun. But I can definitely see how it's not for everyone, and it's actually disappointing that it was just another "studio trick."
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I have The Great Deceiver somewhere; I didn't realize that those were the same performances as on USA except minus the overdubs. I just thought they were from the same tour. I gotta check this out again now.
For me, the biggest benefit is that awful vocal distortion on 21CSM is absent...it was added during mixing, and I think it sounds drastically better without it.
Oh that Fripp, what a wacky guy! I actually think the vocal distortion on 21C Man is kinda cool. The vocals on the studio version have some distortion, and I just figured that this is the next level. Wetton's voice is more intense than Lake's, and somehow the idea that the words are nearly untelligible adds to the fun. But I can definitely see how it's not for everyone, and it's actually disappointing that it was just another "studio trick."
I prefer less overdubs too. Contains the original stage energy of a performance.
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Definitely. Fripp always struck me as the kind of guy who would prefer to keep the "purity" of a live recording, not muck it up with studio trickery and still present the recording as live. I know, "everybody" does it, but not everybody does, and if there was ever someone who didn't, I would've thought it would be Fripp. I guess not.
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Definitely. Fripp always struck me as the kind of guy who would prefer to keep the "purity" of a live recording, not muck it up with studio trickery and still present the recording as live. I know, "everybody" does it, but not everybody does, and if there was ever someone who didn't, I would've thought it would be Fripp. I guess not.
Eh yeah. Well oh well.
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I. Want. A. 2000. 11. Tour.
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I. Want. A. 2000. 11. Studio. Album.
FTFY.
-Marc.
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Getting both would be fantastic, but if I had to pick, I'd pick the tour.
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Just got back from seeing RF do some soundscaping. Good stuff
As far as RF vs. the integrity of live performances, USA seems to be an outlier for some reason...in other live sets, there are definitely "brown notes" and other musical malfunctions that could have been fixed but obviously weren't.
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Damn. Figures my favorite one is the one that's impure.
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I got a King Crimson e-mail yesterday and got real excited for some news, but it was just holiday deals on merchandise.
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They should merge the new thread by wolfking with this one. I - M - O
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They should merge the new thread by wolfking with this one. I - M - O
That's cool. I can start posting here, I should have searched before I made a new topic.
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I got a King Crimson e-mail yesterday and got real excited for some news, but it was just holiday deals on merchandise.
King Crimson never send me e-mail. Perhaps I have offended them somehow.
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In response to the other thread...
Any fans? I just picked up my first King Crimson album the other day. I've never really checked them out but I picked up Larks Tongues in Aspic for $10 in the throwout section.
Is this a fair representation of what the band is about? I have only listened to it once but the only thing I can describe it as at the moment is 'odd.' I will say, Robert Fripp has a wonderful guitar style.
Each album is different. I'm only really familiar with their 70's output, but it's all over the place and their 80's is heavily new wave influenced. Their newer stuff I don't know a thing about though.
Any other albums I should check out?
Definitely give In the Court of the Crimson King a shot. It's a very important album and it is very, very good. Red is also quite good and probably one of their heavier releases. Lizard is great, if you enjoy a more jazz-influenced sound. Lots of people love Discipline, but its very New Wave-y and I'm not much of a fan of that 'sound,' but it does have some good tracks (check out 'Elephant Talk').
Avoid Islands though, at least for now. It's easily my least favorite and probably the hardest to listen to. If you find yourself interested after checking out some of their better, then maybe I'd recommend it.
BTW, the remixes are all fantastic even if they are being released at an incredibly slooooow pace. Lizard, in particular, sounds absolutely wonderful.
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IMO the essential albums are anything from ITCOTCK through Red (and any live recordings) :metal
Next would be The Power To Believe :heart (their best album since Red IMO); this album is also recommended if you really like the 70s albums. It's a masterpiece of modern progressive rock.
Discipline is cool if I'm in the mood, same as the other two 80s albums, but Discipline is the best one. :tup
Thrak has never appealed to me. And aside from LTIA pt 4, The Construktion of Light never struck me as anything worthwhile. :yeahright
as a side note, most of the ProjecKs are really cool :yarr
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Avoid Islands though, at least for now. It's easily my least favorite and probably the hardest to listen to. If you find yourself interested after checking out some of their better, then maybe I'd recommend it.
I agree, Islands is good once you are familiar with the rest of their 70s output. I will however say that it is much more enjoyable than anything theyve released after Red (except TPTB)
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They should merge the new thread by wolfking with this one. I - M - O
That's cool. I can start posting here, I should have searched before I made a new topic.
Well this thread needs more pages! :hat
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this thread inspired me to listen to some KC. i listened to 21st Century Schizoid Man, and the Asbury Park Jam last night. But im thinking of listening to all the 70s albums in chronological order. sounds like a good idea
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But im thinking of listening to all the 70s albums in chronological order. sounds like a good idea
Sounds like a great idea. :hat :hat :hat :hat
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Asbury Park is my favorite live jam from them. So raw, so energy, so heavy sound!
But seriously, it is, and it kicks my ass every time I play it. Which I think I'll do right now...
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Double post because fuck I love this jam.
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currently listening to In The Wake of Poseidon :metal, right after finishing ITCoTCK.
after a short break i may continue to Lizard.
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Go for it. The early Crimson albums vary a bit because the personnel kept changing, but there were also some similarities of course. It's cool listening to them in order.
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Go for it. The early Crimson albums vary a bit because the personnel kept changing, but there were also some similarities of course. It's cool listening to them in order.
i havent listened to this much KC in at least 2-3 years. this is amazing! i forgot how short their 70s albums are, as Im already up to Lizards. Crazy album. I'm going to breeze through their first 4 albums, THEN take a break, before i throw on the Bruford/Wetton albums.
but anyway, it's bringing back memories, as i was big on KC during late 2005, 2006, and part of 2007.
Go for it. The early Crimson albums vary a bit because the personnel kept changing, but there were also some similarities of course. It's cool listening to them in order.
yes, there is more of a symphonic feel with the first 4 albums, mixed with lots of jazz. But mostly, there is a lot of flute on these albums and a lot of the music seems sad :'(. By the time of LTIA, the sound became more grittier, almost pre-metal, and much more eclectic and raw mix of sounds.
oh man, I'm on the title track for Lizard, JON ANDERSON!
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follow my experience here https://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy (https://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy) if you wish
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EDIT: just finished listening to the first 4 albums, and kind of treated them like one BIG album. i must say, the end of Islands really closes out the first 'era' of King Crimson very nicely, really epic. it all kind of makes sense since the first 4 albums are so melodic, but quite a trip. The next 3 albums await.... :yarr but first, i need a break
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follow my experience here https://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy (https://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy) if you wish
:P
EDIT: just finished listening to the first 4 albums, and kind of treated them like one BIG album. i must say, the end of Islands really closes out the first 'era' of King Crimson very nicely, really epic. it all kind of makes sense since the first 4 albums are so melodic, but quite a trip. The next 3 albums await.... :yarr but first, i need a break
Sent you a friend request; I'm BirchBoy0925.
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follow my experience here https://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy (https://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy) if you wish
:P
EDIT: just finished listening to the first 4 albums, and kind of treated them like one BIG album. i must say, the end of Islands really closes out the first 'era' of King Crimson very nicely, really epic. it all kind of makes sense since the first 4 albums are so melodic, but quite a trip. The next 3 albums await.... :yarr but first, i need a break
Sent you a friend request; I'm BirchBoy0925.
This, except I'm fordmark2.
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accepted both your friend requests. thanks, i dont have too many friends on last.fm
listening to Starless & Bible Black now. SABB has so much energy!
I put LTIA on last night. I forgot how relaxing the album is, at least the middle of the album, not the title tracks :lol
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I only have In the Court of the Crimson King, which I absolutely adore. I really need to get more of them, I got some money for my birthday which I am going to spend on some luscious KC vinyl when I finally get my act together!
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So I've listened to ITCOTKC a few times in the last few days. I've now heard every album up to Red. Yes, this was the last I heard.
At the moment, I wouldn't say this is their best album at all. The first three tracks are great, but I don't think the others are anywhere near the same quality. I can understand why people might say it's their "most important" album, since it was such an early prog release and there are some insanely strong tracks on there, but they have far stronger overall albums than this.
Having said that, my favourite KC album is probably Islands, so...
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So I've listened to ITCOTKC a few times in the last few days. I've now heard every album up to Red. Yes, this was the last I heard.
At the moment, I wouldn't say this is their best album at all. The first three tracks are great, but I don't think the others are anywhere near the same quality. I can understand why people might say it's their "most important" album, since it was such an early prog release and there are some insanely strong tracks on there, but they have far stronger overall albums than this.
Really? Wow, Red clicked with me immediately and "Starless" is one of their best songs, IMO. Very soft and emotional and then is just goes crazy near the end.
Having said that, my favourite KC album is probably Islands, so...
Different strokes and all, but I've listened to Islands a few times and, aside from a few parts of some songs, nothing ever stood out much to me.
That said, I just got In the Wake of Poseidon: 40th Anniversary Edition for Christmas. :tup
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Got the ITCOTCK boxset this morning. Haven't listened yet, but the presentation is beautiful. I'll probably upload some pics later for those interested. :)
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Do it!
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Right click, view image for higher quality.
Heres the box itself
(https://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2443/kc1s.jpg)
The two books (12x12 each, the cover for each book is the album cover)
(https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5787/kc2w.jpg)
Here are the CD cases themselves... pretty cool!
(https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7678/kc3t.jpg)
Closer look at the booklets
(https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4127/kc4y.jpg)
(https://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7967/kc5x.jpg)
Two little pins
(https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/986/kc7s.jpg)
HMM WHAT COULD BE INSIDE THIS ENVELOPE!
(https://img641.imageshack.us/img641/486/kc8h.jpg)
Its two high quality prints of the band!
(https://img831.imageshack.us/img831/151/kc9fp.jpg)
(https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9686/kc6w.jpg)
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Damn that's beautiful. How much do those run for?
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Wow, that looks really nice. :tup
Birch, about $60 IIRC.
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Wow I was expecting it to be upwards of a hundred! That's not too bad. I wanna get more King Crimson and the 40th Anniversary Remasters are very appealing.
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Totally awesome dude, glad you like it!
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Wow I was expecting it to be upwards of a hundred! That's not too bad. I wanna get more King Crimson and the 40th Anniversary Remasters are very appealing.
They're great so far. If only they'd 'em a little faster...
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Is there a version with just the remastered CD and DVD? I'm not too interested in all the alternate mixes/instrumentals/bonus tracks (unless it's material not featured on the album, like previously unreleased songs).
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Damn that's beautiful. How much do those run for?
I got mine for $55. Looks like they bumped up the price to about 63 on amazon now though. Still a pretty good deal, about 10 bucks a disc.
I'm not the hugest King Crimson fan, but I just couldn't pass up on this. :tup
And yeah, there is one with just the remastered CD/5.1 mix.
https://www.amazon.com/Court-Crimson-King-Deluxe/dp/B002M3GPOS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1293306619&sr=8-2
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That'll probably be the one I get. I love the packaging for the version that you got but honestly I'm not interested in eighty-five percent of the bonus material. Do they have box sets for all the 40th Anniversary Remasters??
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That'll probably be the one I get. I love the packaging for the version that you got but honestly I'm not interested in eighty-five percent of the bonus material. Do they have box sets for all the 40th Anniversary Remasters??
Yeah, to be honest I don't care too much for the bonus material either. :lol Should be cool, but I don't think its something I'll listen to more than once or twice (except for the live stuff).
And nope, this is the only box set they have that I know about. The rest are just CD/5.1 DVD releases.
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All of the 5.1 remasters haven't been released yet, so who knows if they'll put out a box set once it all finished.
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All of the 5.1 remasters haven't been released yet, so who knows if they'll put out a box set once it all finished.
Probably, but at that point I'll have most of them and won't care. :lol
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That's why I'm holding off on buying any Crimson. If they do release a box set I can pick their discography in one go. :)
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So I've listened to ITCOTKC a few times in the last few days. I've now heard every album up to Red. Yes, this was the last I heard.
At the moment, I wouldn't say this is their best album at all. The first three tracks are great, but I don't think the others are anywhere near the same quality. I can understand why people might say it's their "most important" album, since it was such an early prog release and there are some insanely strong tracks on there, but they have far stronger overall albums than this.
Really? Wow, Red clicked with me immediately and "Starless" is one of their best songs, IMO. Very soft and emotional and then is just goes crazy near the end.
I mean the first album, not Red.
Having said that, my favourite KC album is probably Islands, so...
Different strokes and all, but I've listened to Islands a few times and, aside from a few parts of some songs, nothing ever stood out much to me.
Formentera Lady, The Letters, and Island are all incredible, and the three other tracks are very good. To me, KC albums are really bad for having very strong tracks, but also fairly weak ones (with the exception of Larks' Tongues, although Red comes close). Islands is the only exception to that for me. Sure, they have some much stronger songs, but Islands is the best album front to back.
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That's why I'm holding off on buying any Crimson. If they do release a box set I can pick their discography in one go. :)
I'd love that to happen, it sounds awesome. ;D
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That's why I'm holding off on buying any Crimson. If they do release a box set I can pick their discography in one go. :)
I'd love that to happen, it sounds awesome. ;D
Well you have at least a decade to save your money. :lol
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i listened to all the 70s albums, and then listened to USA, Live in Mainz, and Live in Asbury Park. all phenomenal records. I then listened to Discipline on Xmas Eve, however, i think ive gotten my fill. I was going to continue on to Beat and ToAPP, but i dont know if im in the mood right now. Either way, it was a good run, and it jacked up my Crimson play count on last.fm :loser:
i will probably do it eventually, it's just im not a big fan of Thrak or Construktion of Light, so we'll see.
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In my top 3. I love this band and I hate living in Argentina sometimes. I just saw the pictures from that boxset and nearly had an orgasm. I know it probably won't come down here and if it does the price will be just impossible. I already have all their cds from the last remaster but seriously, that boxset just kicks ass!
:-[
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Awesome box! I've been lusting over the deluxe box since it came out.
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RE: KC Boxed Sets-
I'd like to see them release 3-album Boxsets (2-4, 5-7, 8-10, 11-13) of their albums, after all of them get remastered by SW, of course. It would make it easier to get them all in chunks and have to hunt them down.
That being said, I still haven't gotten any of the 5 that are out now. I've just had waaaay too much new/recent music to buy, and others to discover, so the KC Re-issues have been put on the back burner since the first batch came out. And unfortunately, with so much new music coming out this year, I may have to put them on hold again... at least only 5 have been re-issued so far, so maybe I'll get one or two with some post-Christmas money or Birthday money (coming up in March).
Any suggestions which to get first? I was thinking Lizard and Red.
-Marc.
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I've been listening to this band a lot lately, Larks is one of the best albums I've ever heard.
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So for whatever reason, I've finally started loving Red in the last few weeks. Had it for a year or two now, and it spontaneously clicked.
Also, as an update on Court of the Crimson King, I still wouldn't call it one of their best. Moonchild is essentially what lets it down. The first three and a half minutes are quite good, the last, what, eight are just sort of there. And barely that. The title track is very good at the end, but doesn't end the album on quite enough of a high note after the dip of Moonchild to get rid of the sour taste in your mouth. The first three tracks are a solid run though, all excellent songs.
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I need them to announce a United States tour.
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I need them to announce a United States tour.
You'll need a time machine for that. Fripp has said that he's done being a touring player, at least in anything other than doing an occasional soundscape.
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I need them to announce a United States tour.
You'll need a time machine for that. Fripp has said that he's done being a touring player, at least in anything other than doing an occasional soundscape.
:'(
I missed them by a year on their last tour... they ended it with three nights in a row in New York at a venue I go to every couple months now... but I got into them a year later.
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So for whatever reason, I've finally started loving Red in the last few weeks. Had it for a year or two now, and it spontaneously clicked.
Awesome! :tup
Red is easily my favorite of their 70's albums. Glad it clicked for you.
Also, as an update on Court of the Crimson King, I still wouldn't call it one of their best. Moonchild is essentially what lets it down. The first three and a half minutes are quite good, the last, what, eight are just sort of there. And barely that. The title track is very good at the end, but doesn't end the album on quite enough of a high note after the dip of Moonchild to get rid of the sour taste in your mouth. The first three tracks are a solid run though, all excellent songs.
Totally agree.
Also, when the hell are the remastered Starless and Larks going to be announced? At the rate they're releasing them, it'll be the 50th anniversary when they get done.
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Totally agree.
Also, when the hell are the remastered Starless and Larks going to be announced? At the rate they're releasing them, it'll be the 50th anniversary when they get done.
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They released a remastered version for the 30th anniversary already. I didn't know they were re-mastering things again.
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Yeah, the 40th Anniversary Editions. ItCotKC, ItWoP, Lizard, Islands, and Red are all done already. I've heard snippets about Larks and Starless being worked on, but nothing more.
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Totally agree.
Also, when the hell are the remastered Starless and Larks going to be announced? At the rate they're releasing them, it'll be the 50th anniversary when they get done.
They released a remastered version for the 30th anniversary already. I didn't know they were re-mastering things again.
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They're remasters, but they're also being remixed for 5.1 surround sound.
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Totally agree.
Also, when the hell are the remastered Starless and Larks going to be announced? At the rate they're releasing them, it'll be the 50th anniversary when they get done.
They released a remastered version for the 30th anniversary already. I didn't know they were re-mastering things again.
They're remasters, but they're also being remixed for 5.1 surround sound.
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With Steven Wilson doing the mixing, no less.
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Looks like there's a new King Crimson album coming out in May. Well, sort of I guess. (https://www.burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/multiproduct/313/2188/)
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indeed, a new ProjeKct — could be very interesting.
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:caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:
I've been waiting for KC to release a new album. I need it!!
Edit - Holy SH#T, I just read what musicians play in it!!! OMG
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I'm really looking forward to hearing this album. I just wish it was released under the name King Crimson. Why not? It's not like this is the first time that half of the band is changed. :smiley:
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I think maybe Fripp has become bored with the King Crimson name, but to have such a stellar cast of musicians on this album, many of which have played with KC or some sort of ProjeKct, it seems this will be a KC album but not in name.
I think once samples hit the internet, we'll probably see how and why this technically ISN'T a King Crimson album, but we'll probably hear how, in many ways, it is one. Either way, considering it's the first major studio album release to involve this many KC members since 2003's The Power To Believe, it's got me VERY excited, especially hearing Levin/Harrison...it'll be an ungodly rhythm section!!
-Marc.
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Silly name. Instead of just calling it a King Crimson album, it's a one-off from "A King Crimson ProjecKt".
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Discipline is godly amirite?
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ELEPHANT TALK
ELEPHANT TALK?!
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Urite.
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ELEPHANT TALK
ELEPHANT TALK?!
Haha I remember the first time I heard that song. I thought it was genius.
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My favorite on Discipline is easily Frame by Frame. Pure perfection.
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That's a great one too. My favourite is really tough between the first four.
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DISCIPLINE IS GODLY
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The 80's band was originally going to be called Discipline. At some point, Fripp decided that it should be called King Crimson. He has some kind of criteria for what makes a band worthy of being called King Crimson, but only he knows what it is, and he's not telling.
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looking forward to that new album. The ProjeKcts is basically a direct extension of King Crimson (think LTE as a direct extension of Dream Theater) so this is essentially a new Crimson album!
At this point, I'll take whatever new material I can from King Crimson or the ProjeKcts. This is the closest thing to KC we're gonna get right now
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most of the fundamental (non-DGM Live series) ProjeKct releases are some of my favourite Crim records (blasphemy!), so i really don't see this as a bad thing whatsoever.
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ELEPHANT TALK
ELEPHANT TALK?!
I work with a guy that fucking HATES that song.
I play it all the time to irritate him. ;)
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I like it, but I can definitely see how it could bug some people.
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It's an okay song. Definitely not one that I can listen to often, but in smaller doses I like it.
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A couple of weeks back I went to see Tony Levin live. He opened the show playing indiscipline :D, with all the words in spanish cause he is such a cool guy, and closed with Elephant Talk. :hefdaddy
So yeah, I love that song. But my favorite on that album is Discipline, so perfect.
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The 80's band was originally going to be called Discipline. At some point, Fripp decided that it should be called King Crimson. He has some kind of criteria for what makes a band worthy of being called King Crimson, but only he knows what it is, and he's not telling.
"King Crimson exists where there is King Crimson music to be played."
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Ah, well that explains everything!
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I need more King Crimson. Red is a great album. Thinking about picking up Starless and Bible Black next.
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Do it! Also Lark's Tongues in Aspic. Same band, same period. Red is my favorite from that band, but they're all great, plus U.S.A. and The Night Watch, which are the live albums from that period.
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The three Wetton-Era KC albums are by far some of my favorite albums! The song "Starless" is just amazing, and the first two parts of "Larks" are just mind-blowing. There are very few low-points among those three albums, and of the various incarnations of KC there are, the Wetton-Era one if my favorite because of how strong the material is on every album, although I do have to give credit to The Power To Believe for being an equally great album as it interests me more than Thrak or ConstruKction Of Light.
-Marc.
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Fripp once said that the Wetton-Bruford rhythm section was the most powerful rhythm section he'd ever played with, and also nearly impossible to play with (or maybe he said "solo over" - it was a long time ago). I'm not sure what he meant, but it probably had to do with the fact that both of them are very "busy" players. Wetton is very active, running all over the low end like he owns it, because he does. Bruford of course is a machine. He leaves space, but Wetton fills it up, leaving no room for Fripp.
Personally, I love their sound. Three guys firing on all eight cylinders. So powah! So heavy sound!
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This thread reminds me that I need to seriously binge on some Crimson, but when will I find the time?
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1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. Discipline
3. Red
4. Lizard
5. Larks Tongues in Aspic
6. The Power to Believe
7. Starless and Bible Black
8. THRaK
9. The ConstruKction of Light
10. Three of a Perfect Pair
11. In the Wake of Poseidon
12. Islands
13. Beat
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Fripp once said that the Wetton-Bruford rhythm section was the most powerful rhythm section he'd ever played with, and also nearly impossible to play with (or maybe he said "solo over" - it was a long time ago). I'm not sure what he meant, but it probably had to do with the fact that both of them are very "busy" players. Wetton is very active, running all over the low end like he owns it, because he does. Bruford of course is a machine. He leaves space, but Wetton fills it up, leaving no room for Fripp.
Fripp has described it as "a flying brick wall".
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1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. Discipline
3. Red
4. Lizard
5. Larks Tongues in Aspic
6. The Power to Believe
7. In the Wake of Poseidon
8. Starless and Bible Black
9. THRaK
10. The ConstruKction of Light
11. Three of a Perfect Pair
12. Islands
13. Beat
Yup, that was a pretty big dropoff from Discipline to Beat. But I'd still rank Beat over Three of a Perfect Pair. It starts off well enough... I just can't get into the 2nd half of that album.
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Wow, that's pretty brutal. I like Beat almost as much as Discipline. Three of a Perfect Pair does drop off, but there's still some great stuff on it.
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1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. Discipline
3. Red
4. Lizard
5. Larks Tongues in Aspic
6. The Power to Believe
7. In the Wake of Poseidon
8. Starless and Bible Black
9. THRaK
10. The ConstruKction of Light
11. Three of a Perfect Pair
12. Islands
13. Beat
It always amazes me that people rank Islands so low. Why is that? That album has some great songs in it.
Also, Beat > Three of a perfect pair.
Also, your top 3 is :tup
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Islands isn't bad, I just never ever get any urge to listen to it. Plus, Sailor's Tale and the title track I could never get into.
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I'll give it a shot with ranking the albums:
1. Lizard
2. In The Court Of The Crimson King
3. Red
4. Lark's Tongues In Aspic
5. Discipline
6. The Power To Believe
7. Beat
8. Three Of A Perfect Pair
9. THRAK
10. Starless And Bible Black
11. The ConstruKction of Light
12. In The Wake Of Poseidon
13. Islands
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My Rank
1. In The Court Of The Crimson King
2. Discipline
3. Red
4. Lizard
5. Lark's Tongues In Aspic
6. Starless And Bible Black
7. Islands
8. The Power To Believe
9. Beat
10. The ConstruKction of Light
11. THRAK
12. In The Wake Of Poseidon
13. Three Of A Perfect Pair
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my top three are probably The Power to Believe, THRAK, and Discipline (is that going to get me beaten up?!).
actually, if counting non-LP releases as well, i'd pick TPTB and its surrounding releases (Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With and Level Five, although the latter isn't quite so related). i just love that record and everything that went into/came out of it. also, a bootleg from the Tool tour and then Level Five were my intro to the band, so i guess i'm more favourable to the new stuff because of that.
for the rest, i'd throw ITCOTCK and Larks' Tongues on top of the pile with Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair, and then the rest i'm either pretty iffy about (not really into Lizard and i'm spotty for about half of Red) or dislike quite a bit (Poseidon, Islands, Starless, i find them extremely difficult to get into). The ConstruKction of Light would be great if the production and drum samples were up to par; the material is definitely strong, but i prefer the live versions on Level Five (for the title track) and Heavy ConstruKction (for everything else).
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my top three are probably The Power to Believe, THRAK, and Discipline (is that going to get me beaten up?!).
No one's gonna beat you up for that. Most likely it will be a clean throat cutting ;)
Jokes aside, if that's what you like then it's perfectly fine. :tup
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I might order it this weekend... toss-up between this and Phish's "Japan Relief": Field of Heaven, Fuji Rock Festival, Japan.
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The Steven Wilson 5.1 surround mix of LTIA is essentially complete!
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The Steven Wilson 5.1 surround mix of LTIA is essentially complete!
Finally!
I can't wait.
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Bill Bruford came to my music college to do a series of lectures about music. I attended a few. They were quite interesting.
Not just about drumming, but music as a whole.
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Bill Bruford is so cool.
Years ago, a friend of mine saw King Crimson, and we were talking about it afterwards. I mentioned how Bruford seemed the perfect drummer for Crimson, with his thing for coming up with any kind of sound he thinks will fit, combined with his innate sense of discipline and restraint in his playing. My friend goes "Yeah, I was talking to him about it, and..."
Obviously this is where my jaw was supposed to drop, and it did. The show was at a smallish place near Detroit, and the band hung out afterwards and talked a bit with the fans. Not a formal meet-and-greet or anything, but Belew and Bruford went and mingled a bit, so my friend got to chat with him Bruford for a while. Said he's a very personable, outgoing guy, which fits with everything else I've heard about him. Belew and Levin also seem like super cool guys. Fripp didn't come out. He was probably in the dressing room practicing licks or something.
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The live KC release I listen to the most:
https://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=16&show=1301
Personnel
Robert Fripp:guitar
Adrian Belew:guitar & vocals
Tony Levin:bass,Stick and vocals
Gavin Harrison: drums and percussion
Pat Mastelotto:drums and percussion
:hefdaddy
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Fripp didn't come out. He was probably in the dressing room practicing licks or something.
Probably. Him and Myung should record an album together
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Bill is very down to earth. He doen't carry himself like a pretentious rock star or anything.
Although, he didn't like many of my opinions on music :biggrin:
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Although, he didn't like many of my opinions on music :biggrin:
Like what?
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Although, he didn't like many of my opinions on music :biggrin:
Like what?
He doesn't like Pro Tools and the like. I said I dont mind it using copy and paste, even though I prefer to play the whole song. I said you can get songs recorded super fast, super cheap. He wasn't having it :biggrin:
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Although, he didn't like many of my opinions on music :biggrin:
Like what?
He doesn't like Pro Tools and the like. I said I dont mind it using copy and paste, even though I prefer to play the whole song. I said you can get songs recorded super fast, super cheap. He wasn't having it :biggrin:
he knows how it used to be, recording during the 70s and 80s (and 90s too)
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Yeah, he also said he could never be in a traditional rock band as playing the same 4/4 backbeat for every song every night would be boring.
If I was in a huge band playing arenas , tbh that would not bore me in the slightest. :tup
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Listening to ITCOTCK for the first time in a long time. I had forgotten what a great song 21st Century Schizoid Man is. Has anyone heard Ozzy's cover? Did somebody notice it is very very similar to Iron Man?
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I got a CD of ITCOTCK ages ago and have listened to it to death. Today I was walking past a second hand music shop and went in to see a vinyl of "larks tongues in aspic" staring at me. £5 later I own what I think is a very good album.
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Bumped to say Starless is one of the best songs ever. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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King Crimson fans. I'm thinking of doing a KC survivor. Any of you interested in participating?
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Ooh, I'm very, VERY interested. :tup :tup :tup
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Yeah, go for it.
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I was thinking of doing that after I was done my PT survivor, but I'll be happy with you doing it. The sooner the better. :)
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The Devil's Triangle. :hefdaddy
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Bumped to say Starless is one of the best songs ever. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Bumped to say Starless is one of the best songs ever. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
:tup
:tup :tup :tup
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My first teaching gig was 9th grade math, everything from Pre-Algebra, Geometry, to Algebra II/Trig. I was in my classroom after school listening to Red on my boombox, grading papers, and some of my students stopped in. I figured they had questions or wanted to talk about a test or something, but they were killing time before a game, just hanging out at the school, and decided to visit. We chatted for a while about whatever.
When "Starless" started, I said "Shhh! We have to listen to this." Let it play for a while. At some point they asked me what the song was about. I told them that as best as I could work out, it's about chilling, watching the sun go down, letting it get dark around you, then completely dark, and contemplating life, the universe, and everything (yeah yeah, but they didn't know).
When the fast part finally hit, it was like nothing they'd ever heard before. One of them (a trumpet player in the band) asked "What time signature is this?" Ahh, excellent question. I had no idea. Never figured it out before. I told him I didn't know, but it was some bizarro time.
"Yeah, sounds like cut time" says the other, and you could see the first one nearly collapse from embarassment. I told them it was like 7/8 or 11/16 or whatever, something like that. They didn't realize that such things even existed; they'd only ever played tunes in band in 4/4, maybe 3/4, and cut time was like whoa! So anyway, I hopefully expanded their brains a little bit with that, at least their musical brains. I was their math teacher. It was my job.
That's what I think of when I hear "Starless".
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That's a great story Orbert. You've got some good ones, including the one about your band playing some Tarkus and the bartender getting all excited about it.
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Yeah, that was fun, too. I kinda feel like my goal has been to spread the prog wherever I go.
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Yeah, that was fun, too. I kinda feel like my goal has been to spread the prog wherever I go.
That is an amazing goal and it seems so far you've been succeeding. Keep it up :tup
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I just went here https://www.burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/multiproduct/313/2188/ (https://www.burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/multiproduct/313/2188/) to see the release date of A Scarcity of Miracles and realized there is a video below for one of the songs. I think it's a beautiful tune.
Thoughts?
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Wow, I just listened to it for the first time, I didn't know it's there. A very nice tune indeed, hopefully it's a grower. It's great to have new King Crimson music...
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So, the new King Crimson album has been out there for a couple of days now. Anyone has gotten a chance to listen to it yet?
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Whoa, it's out?
Gotta find it. :)
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Just ordered it yesterday from Amazon (along with Blackfield's Welcome To My DNA... I know, getting it a little late), so hopefully I get it in by next week!
-Marc.
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So I bought In the Court of the Crimson King. While I appreciate it, it really doesn't do a whole lot for me. I bought it because I've heard some KC on Pandora and liked it, but I cannot remember any of the songs/albums. I thought I'd start chronologically but.. should I continue, or should I skip to a later album, and which one?
Also:
they'd only ever played tunes in band in 4/4, maybe 3/4, and cut time was like whoa!
lol wut? That school needs a new band director. I played this my sophomore year in highschool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjjARIWjjA
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So, the new King Crimson album has been out there for a couple of days now. Anyone has gotten a chance to listen to it yet?
If you're talking about the Jakszyk, Fripp and Collins record, I got it. Spun it once so far, but it's really, really good. A definite departure from the typical KC, so I can see why they didn't release it under that name, but it's a very beautiful record.
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So, the new King Crimson album has been out there for a couple of days now. Anyone has gotten a chance to listen to it yet?
If you're talking about the Jakszyk, Fripp and Collins record, I got it. Spun it once so far, but it's really, really good. A definite departure from the typical KC, so I can see why they didn't release it under that name, but it's a very beautiful record.
That's great to hear. I'll try to get it next week while I'm in Chicago.
So I bought In the Court of the Crimson King. While I appreciate it, it really doesn't do a whole lot for me. I bought it because I've heard some KC on Pandora and liked it, but I cannot remember any of the songs/albums. I thought I'd start chronologically but.. should I continue, or should I skip to a later album, and which one?
KC has several different stages. I don't know exactly what you heard on Pandora, but if you didn't like ITCOTCK you should try Red, or maybe Discipline. Two very very different records but those two plus ITCOTCK make the top 3.
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KC has several different stages. I don't know exactly what you heard on Pandora, but if you didn't like ITCOTCK you should try Red, or maybe Discipline. Two very very different records but those two plus ITCOTCK make the top 3.
I just listened to Starless on youtube and that is definitely more along the lines of the stuff I liked. I'll put Red on my to buy list.
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they'd only ever played tunes in band in 4/4, maybe 3/4, and cut time was like whoa!
lol wut? That school needs a new band director. I played this my sophomore year in highschool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjjARIWjjA
For a highschool it looks like you just have an enormous band program.
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they'd only ever played tunes in band in 4/4, maybe 3/4, and cut time was like whoa!
lol wut? That school needs a new band director. I played this my sophomore year in highschool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjjARIWjjA
It was junior high, which in Michigan at the time was 7th-8th-9th grade. And it was a small town without a lot of resources, so not particularly blessed in terms of talent or equipment. Plus I'm probably exaggerating a bit; I don't know what they'd done in band, but I'm pretty sure the break in "Starless" was well beyond it.
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they'd only ever played tunes in band in 4/4, maybe 3/4, and cut time was like whoa!
lol wut? That school needs a new band director. I played this my sophomore year in highschool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjjARIWjjA
It was junior high, which in Michigan at the time was 7th-8th-9th grade. And it was a small town without a lot of resources, so not particularly blessed in terms of talent or equipment. Plus I'm probably exaggerating a bit; I don't know what they'd done in band, but I'm pretty sure the break in "Starless" was well beyond it.
In Grade 11 here stuff is almost entirely 4/4, 3/4, and 6/8. Sometimes we practiced odd time sigs but they aren't real songs, just little practice things.
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I've been in two different high school concert bands. The current one I am in, the time sigs can get difficult, but overly not difficult. We've had 3/2, 17/8, 7/8, 12/8, 4/4, 3/4/ 5/4. Nothing overly complex, but more than I was used to (except the last 3, those are of course easy :P)
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So...
Any of you guys familiar with their album Beat?
Drag your ass to polls & survivors, please.
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I like Beat almost as much as Discipline, and definitely more than Three of a Perfect Pair. I'm not sure why it gets slagged so badly. It's got a lot of cool, catchy stuff.
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Um, being sort of green to KC, (For months, I've only had ITCOTCK, SABB, and R, and just yesterday got Lizard) I'm not too familiar with much of their stuff. What material is as good as the stuff I have, which I find awesome, and which stuff will just be disappointing?
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The four albums you've named all fall into the "early" King Crimson, which as you've noticed by now went through a lot of changes. King Crimson continued to change and evolve, but one thing they've always done is keep both a heavy side and a light side. Robert Fripp clearly likes to wail and scream sometimes (via guitar of course) but he also has a knack for creating beautiful, haunting melodies.
I suggest trying the 80's version of the band next, which will lead you nicely into the more recent stuff which gets even more psychotic. Start with Discipline, the initial offering from the Fripp-Belew-Levin-Bruford band. This band was originally going to be called Discipline, but at some point Fripp decided that it was "worthy" of the name King Crimson, and the band was reborn. This band had two more albums, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair, which are similar in sound, but each gets a bit more adventurous within the established style. I like all three of them nearly equally, but some KC fans have some problems with the second and third offerrings.
Starting with the 90's stuff (THRAK), they kinda lost me, so I can't advise you from that point forward. I have the DVD from that period, Deja Vrooom, and it's amazing, but it didn't really lead me into the studio work from that band. Fripp called that band "the double trio" as it had two guitarists, two drummers, and two bass/stick players.
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Sounds like a plan; I need more 80s music in my library, anyways; I've mainly 60s and 70s, with some 50s.
Though I do ask, are Poseidon, Islands, and Lark worth my money, in addition to the 80s stuff?
I've heard many love Lark, though I've heard Poseidon and Islands were total downers.
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Sounds like a plan; I need more 80s music in my library, anyways; I've mainly 60s and 70s, with some 50s.
Though I do ask, are Poseidon, Islands, and Lark worth my money, in addition to the 80s stuff?
I've heard many love Lark, though I've heard Poseidon and Islands were total downers.
All their albums from 1969-1974 are essential. Also, Discipline (1981) and The Power To Believe (2003) are just as essential.
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Sounds like a plan; I need more 80s music in my library, anyways; I've mainly 60s and 70s, with some 50s.
Though I do ask, are Poseidon, Islands, and Lark worth my money, in addition to the 80s stuff?
I've heard many love Lark, though I've heard Poseidon and Islands were total downers.
Islands not so much but you should have it. Larks' is top notch and Poseidon is ok. As far as 80s, Discipline is a must, Beat and TOAPP not so much. The later KC is more heavy and it gets weird. Thrak is a fantastic album, the other too are really good too, but as i said, they are weird and hard to get. It might take a lot of spins before you dig them.
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Poseidon is good, but I don't visit much. Islands is pretty boring I find, but it has some good tracks. Larks is an acquired taste, but definitely one of their best.
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I actually like Poseidon just as much or more than ITCOTCK. Islands has some good stuff and some terrible stuff. Larks is very good and is a must have for KC fans.
I prefer the Belew era stuff in general. The Power to Believe is my favorite KC album, and THRAK is second.
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Well, I stumbled across an interesting site; apparently it was Peter Sinfield's and in it, he chronicles and breaks down the meanings behind his lyrics. And it's still mostly incoherent, but an interesting read, nonetheless:
https://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/home.html (https://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/home.html)
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And it's still mostly incoherent...
Dude, you're not kidding! I'm gonna have to devote a little more time to deciphering this.
Great find, though!
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Count me among those who say there are no bad King Crimson albums.
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I actually like Poseidon just as much or more than ITCOTCK. Islands has some good stuff and some terrible stuff. Larks is very good and is a must have for KC fans.
I agree. I usually turn to Discipline or Poseidon if I want to listen to some King Crimson. Discipline is amazing and Poseidon is very good though I can understand why some don't like it, it IS very structurally similar to ITCotCK, though I find it more.... consistent in quality.
But that's just me.
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I don't think Discipline is that good.
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Weirdo. ;)
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Discipline was the first effort by a new band. That's why Beat is actually better in some ways. It's more consistent; it has more a feel of being written by a band that knew what it was about.
In the Wake of Poseidon is similarly the follow-up to In the Court of the Crimson King. Less exploratory, more focused.
There are no bad Crimson albums, but I do have trouble getting into Islands.
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I don't think Discipline is that good.
Have you heard the live versions of those tunes on Absent Lovers? They're all better than the studio versions (which I really find to be true of KC in general...the live versions all have a spark that make the studio versions seem slightly lifeless in comparison).
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Heh, I love all of King Crimson's stuff, but unfortunately I got the last KC album I needed (Islands) just before SW announced his remastering. That said, I might get the 5.1 versions of my favourites, so I can listen to them when I have a 5.1 setup around, however, I rarely do so there is little point.
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Poseidon and ITCotCK all sound fantastic in 5.1.
Red sounded... good. Didn't really blow me away or anything. Just good.
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Can you elaborate? Red is one of my favorites, probably my favorite studio album. Was it the sound quality, or more that they didn't really do the 5.1 well?
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Can you elaborate? Red is one of my favorites, probably my favorite studio album. Was it the sound quality, or more that they didn't really do the 5.1 well?
I don't think the 5.1 was done as well as Poseidon and ITCotCK. I'd probably have to listen to it again, it's been a while.
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Okay, thanks for the feedback anyway. I've been trying to decide whether or not investing in 5.1 audio recordings is worth it. I have a few, but the listening opportunities are pretty limited. Red would be the first King Crimson I'd pick up, but only if it's worth it.
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Anyonw who's interested, the KC survivor has come to consolation. I'd love to have more than 5 people partiipating in it ;)
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=27798.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=27798.0)
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People, why all the hate for Islands? In my opinion, Islands is one of their best efforts.
I agree, for starters it can be quite hard to love the album, but how can't you make love with song of the gulls? And don't forget the brilliant title track! Overall, Islands is better than any KC album recorded after Red.
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Okay, thanks for the feedback anyway. I've been trying to decide whether or not investing in 5.1 audio recordings is worth it. I have a few, but the listening opportunities are pretty limited. Red would be the first King Crimson I'd pick up, but only if it's worth it.
Orbert - it's worth it!!
Just finished listening to Lizards in 5.1, it's amazing!
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It's King Crimson! Of course it's worth it! (But then I've yet to find a King Crimson album that I don't like.)
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I'm not talking about whether or not the album is worth it. I've had it for 30 years, on vinyl first and now on CD. But there are some pretty bad 5.1 discs out there. Not everyone knows how to remix an album into surround, and some of them are rather expensive. Combine the two, and you have a rather expensive waste of money.
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I'm not talking about whether or not the album is worth it. I've had it for 30 years, on vinyl first and now on CD. But there are some pretty bad 5.1 discs out there. Not everyone knows how to remix an album into surround, and some of them are rather expensive. Combine the two, and you have a rather expensive waste of money.
You're absolutely right about that.
But you have to ask yourself: "Would Robert Fripp allow something that sounds like crap to get out there?"(Knowing what you do about Robert Fripp.)
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Plus SW mixed these and his mixes are always top notch!
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Yeah, I'm not saying the 5.1 mix is bad, I just didn't find it as awesome as Court or Poseidon or even Islands.
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I'm not talking about whether or not the album is worth it. I've had it for 30 years, on vinyl first and now on CD. But there are some pretty bad 5.1 discs out there. Not everyone knows how to remix an album into surround, and some of them are rather expensive. Combine the two, and you have a rather expensive waste of money.
You're absolutely right about that.
But you have to ask yourself: "Would Robert Fripp allow something that sounds like crap to get out there?"(Knowing what you do about Robert Fripp.)
Good point.
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I've only heard Lizard, and it sounds lovely. Maybe I'll check some other remasters. :smiley:
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It pains me to no end that I missed KC when the toured in 2008.
Is anyone aware of the current state of affairs, as to will there be one last tour, or is that it?
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I think Fripp has KC on ice, and even denied calling last year's ProjeKct a Crimson album, despite the band being 4/5ths all King Crimson members, past and present.
KC's 45th Anniversary hits in 2014... I would only hope that Fripp would seize that opportunity to record with the A Scarcity of Miracles band and call the album a King Crimson album, and not a ProjeKct.
-Marc.
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I'd personally hope they record with Adrian Belew (I still need to check out the Miracles album... King Crimson + a guzheng, nothing can go wrong with that), but I would not be surprised if when I hear that album, I'll want another one from that line up too.
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Well you should listen to the album and see how it goes for you. i don't want to spoil anything for you but i found it quite different from anything KC has done before.
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I keep meaning to, but I keep getting excited about some random other thing each time I mean to.
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Listening to ITWOP for the first time. Wow, Devil's Triangle was absolutely amazing. Best adaptation of Mars I've heard.
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^ Your balls would explode if you heard the live version, simply titled "Mars", which I believe is on the live album "Epitaph".
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Still trying to get into this band. Been going by cover-art I like, just like I did as a teenager. Started with A Scarcity Of Miracles (I don't care if it's a "Projeckt", I'm putting it under KC) and that took a while to warm up to. But it makes for good background music now. Then I bought Starless and Bible Black about a month ago. Some songs I liked, but didn't really get. Last week I bought Islands, and that did not gel with me at all. :lol
I want to get the first album next, but it hasn't been at the store. The record store I go to has the other re-issues, though. Any recommendations?
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Well Nel, KC is a band that is hard to get into. I would recommend Red or you might wanna go with their second era and get The Construktion of Light
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Still trying to get into this band. Been going by cover-art I like, just like I did as a teenager. Started with A Scarcity Of Miracles (I don't care if it's a "Projeckt", I'm putting it under KC) and that took a while to warm up to. But it makes for good background music now. Then I bought Starless and Bible Black about a month ago. Some songs I liked, but didn't really get. Last week I bought Islands, and that did not gel with me at all. :lol
I want to get the first album next, but it hasn't been at the store. The record store I go to has the other re-issues, though. Any recommendations?
Wow, you picked, IMO, the worst albums to start off with. :lol
Starless and Bible Black is a good album, but most of the songs are live jams gussied up into studio tracks and it shows. I quite enjoy it, but I'm glad I didn't start off with it! Islands is... well, it's my least favorite of their 70's albums.
In the Court of the Crimson King and Red are both great starting albums. I started off with them and I'm a fan now. In the Wake of Poseidon is also very, very good (screw the naysayers!).
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The Power to Believe is their best.
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Well Nel, KC is a band that is hard to get into. I would recommend Red or you might wanna go with their second third era and get The Construktion of Light
The Wetton-Bruford era is generally considered the second era. The first era was... well, everything prior to Wetton-Bruford. Before then, the lineup pretty much changed every album.
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The Power to Believe is their best.
agreed fully, but this is a very controversial opinion of the band that made In the Court... and Red ;)
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Red is a great album.
You might try the Belew-Fripp-Levin-Bruford era KC (Three of a Perfect Pair or Discilpine) if you want to get into them.
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The Power to Believe is their best.
Agreed, although Discipline and Red are not far behind.
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Thanks for the advice guys! :metal Think I'll check out Red next. I've mostly just been concentrating on buying special editions and remasters from bands lately. I know the store had plenty of copies of Red and Discipline, but the other remasters seem to fly in and out of stock in a heartbeat. And at $22 an album I really only like going one per paycheck.
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Either way, Red or Discipline is a great choice. :)
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I, for one, quite enjoy Islands.
Not quite as much as the others from the original 69-74 run, but its title track is nothing short of beautiful.
Now, Lizard, that is the best thing I've heard by KC! (all of 69-74 + Discipline)
My favorite of the Wetton era would be Lark's Tongue, but Red comes up to a close second.
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Well Nel, KC is a band that is hard to get into. I would recommend Red or you might wanna go with their second third era and get The Construktion of Light
The Wetton-Bruford era is generally considered the second era. The first era was... well, everything prior to Wetton-Bruford. Before then, the lineup pretty much changed every album.
Well, I've always seen King Crimson as a band with two faces. From ITCOTCK to Red they were able to maintain a similar sound even though the formation changed on every record. After the hiatus they came back with a completely different sound which is why I think of that as the second KC era.
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Thanks for the advice guys! :metal Think I'll check out Red next. I've mostly just been concentrating on buying special editions and remasters from bands lately. I know the store had plenty of copies of Red and Discipline, but the other remasters seem to fly in and out of stock in a heartbeat. And at $22 an album I really only like going one per paycheck.
I think your in for a treat with Red, since it was the album that finally got me into KC after months of struggling.
Now lets just talk about Discipline for a second. Hot dam do I love this album, but It almost took as long for me to get into it as it did to get into KC in the first place, since its very different, but it really has grown on me and I love it now.
Two awesome songs from Discipline
1. Frame by Frame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPlAr0Y62o
and my personal favorite 2. The sheltering Sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmN9QRWbreg
Enjoy Red and eventually check out The Power to Believe (I love that album).
And I also found this Video of Bruford talking about joining KC. It is delightful,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-f0P7-fxUQ
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and my personal favorite 2. The sheltering Sky
:metal
This song doesn't get enough love. Second favorite from that album for me
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Well Nel, KC is a band that is hard to get into. I would recommend Red or you might wanna go with their second third era and get The Construktion of Light
The Wetton-Bruford era is generally considered the second era. The first era was... well, everything prior to Wetton-Bruford. Before then, the lineup pretty much changed every album.
Well, I've always seen King Crimson as a band with two faces. From ITCOTCK to Red they were able to maintain a similar sound even though the formation changed on every record. After the hiatus they came back with a completely different sound which is why I think of that as the second KC era.
I can see that. I just remember Crimson coming back in the 80's after a hiatus, and it was considered their third time around at the time. It's been so long now that the earlier break doesn't seem like a break at all, and the 70's sound is overall different from what they've done since. When there was only the pre-80's work to examine, the changes seemed more profound. Now I suppose it does make more sense to consider the pre-80's stuff one era, and everything since then another.
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really unsure how anyone could say the 'hard prog fusion' trilogy (Red / Larks / Starless) sounds that similar to everything prior. there is much, much more continuity between Court, Lizard, Poseidon, and Islands, which was then severed with the 'Mahavishnu Orchestra meets Pink Floyd' sort of thing happening on R/L/S.
thus, the most accurate (imo!) KC breakdown would be four 'eras' regardless of breakups and lineup changes:
1969-71: In the Court of the Crimson King / In the Wake of Poseidon / Lizard / Islands
(fusion-developing freakouts blended with pastoral quiet pieces)
1973-74: Larks' Tongues in Aspic / Red / Starless and Bible Black
(balls-to-the-wall fusion, more improv-based, some Frippertronics, developing 'commercial' side influenced by stuff like "Have a Cigar")
1981-84: Discipline / Beat / Three of a Perfect Pair
(that '80s chorus guitar sound, mostly contrapuntal guitar writing, Belew vocals, balance between spacier instrumental material and a new 'commercial' side driven primarily by Belew's wacky blues influence)
1995-now: Thrak / The ConstruKction of Light / The Power to Believe
(incorporating electronic sounds like drumpads and Fripp MIDI-guitar controlled synths, retained some of the Belew blues influence, spacier but bombastic and explosive)
obviously each of those eras has a lot of leeway (Thrak was written and recorded with the double trio, for instance, whereas ConstruKction and Believe were quartet records) but there is a definite amount of consistency on an objective level within those eras.
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As Orbert says the Wetton/Brufford era does sound different from the precious stuff but if you compare how that sounds against the post hiatus records then it makes more sense because that trilogy has a lot more to do with the early KC than with Discipline and beyond.
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As Orbert says the Wetton/Brufford era does sound different from the precious stuff but if you compare how that sounds against the post hiatus records then it makes more sense because that trilogy has a lot more to do with the early KC than with Discipline and beyond.
This is pretty true. The 80's line-up was pretty different and out there, so the difference between their 3rd "era"/line-up and their second is much greater, but still a great trilogy of albums! I would rank them like this:
1973-74
1995-03
1981-84
1969-71
I just never REALLY got into the older albums, they're good, but there's few great things on them. The Wetton-Era is just amazing, and there's so much good stuff on those three records. The 80's-Era is alright, but I prefer the more modern stuff to those three albums; TCOL and TPTB are pretty awesome albums with great music, and both contain songs that are worthy successors to the LTIA series.
-Marc.
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1973-1974
1969-71 (two are my favorites and two are my least favorites, but still)
1981-84
1995-03
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I think I love all 4 era's equally, but it really comes down to what mood I'm in.
But it is nice to have a different incarnation of KC to satisfy almost any of those moods.
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I'll never get the undying love so many have for In the Court of the Crimson King. I mean, it is a pretty good album, but that's it. They made a handful that are better after that, and the idea that it was the first real prog rock album is a crock.
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^ i find it's bookended by two amazing pieces, but without much greatness in between.
i'd rank them in reverse order, tbh:
1995-03 (i know, i know... blame my electronic interests)
1981-84
1973-74
1969-71
that '80s trilogy really is something wonderful. i'm glad for the moments they channelled it in the '95-'03 era ("ProzaKc Blues", "One Time", et al).
now, the ProjeKcts... that's a whole other game, really.
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I'll never get the undying love so many have for In the Court of the Crimson King. I mean, it is a pretty good album, but that's it. They made a handful that are better after that, and the idea that it was the first real prog rock album is a crock.
Kev, I usually agree with you but not this time. ITCOTCK is one of the best prog albums ever. And while I agree that it was not the first real prog album, it made such a great impact at the time that the whole genre got a boost from it.
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Kev, I usually agree with you but not this time. ITCOTCK is one of the best prog albums ever. And while I agree that it was not the first real prog album, it made such a great impact at the time that the whole genre got a boost from it.
I feel the same way, ITCOTCK is the pinnacle of prog for me.
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I'll never get the undying love so many have for In the Court of the Crimson King. I mean, it is a pretty good album, but that's it. They made a handful that are better after that, and the idea that it was the first real prog rock album is a crock.
I think it's a great album and I totally understand its place in history, but it's by no means my favorite. I find Discipline, Red, and ITWoP to be stronger works overall.
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Listening to Lizard. So far it seems like KC is getting better with each album (I'm going through chronologically).
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Listening to Lizard. So far it seems like KC is getting better with each album (I'm going through chronologically).
I was listening to the first four albums and found myself enjoying the first three more than I remembered, but Islands didn't fare as well. Stick it out and you'll find the AWESOMENESS that is the Wetton-Era Trilogy of King Crimson albums.
-Marc.
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So I'm at Starless and Bible Black now. It's not as good as the others.
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So I'm at Starless and Bible Black now. It's not as good as the others.
The sound changes a bit on that album but give it a couple of spins and it will sink in
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Now I'm listening to Red and boy is it a big improvement over the two albums before it.
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So I'm at Starless and Bible Black now. It's not as good as the others.
Its the one KC album that I really don't like at all.
When the first line of an album is "heath food fagot" you know you're in for trouble. I remember rewinding it on the first listen and saying "Did I really just hear what I thought I heard?". It just rubbed me the wrong way I guess.
When I first got the album I was so hyped up since it came between two of my favorites Lark's and Red, so I assumed that it would be just as good, but I was severely disappointed on my first few listens. The whole thing feels like its below their potential. Songs like We'll let you know, The Mincer, Fracture and the title track just don't go anywhere and just meander around. I'm a patient guy, but not that patient. I find the album is very frustrating to listen to.
Now with all that being said, I must say that The Night Watch may be my favorite KC song, which is funny since its on my least favorite album. Its the diamond in the ruff. It so powerful and touching. It sends shivers up and down my spine and gives me goosebumps.
Trio is sweet too, but besides that, the album doesn't do anything for me.
Now I'm listening to Red and boy is it a big improvement over the two albums before it.
Red might be my favorite, but its a hard choice.
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So, off-topic, kind of, but... have the KC Re-Issues stopped? I've only seen the first four albums, Red, SABB and Discipline. What happened to Larks and Beat? Last I heard they were coming out soon. Then I suppose TOAPP and Thrak would be next, right?
Also, were TCOL and TPTB being remixed by Wilson as well?
-Marc.
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I was wondering that myself. i was going to hold out on certain albums just in case remastered versions were coming out. They'd look really good together on the shelf if they were all in the 40th Anniversary Series style.
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I was wondering that myself. i was going to hold out on certain albums just in case remastered versions were coming out. They'd look really good together on the shelf if they were all in the 40th Anniversary Series style.
Right! I agree, and it sucks a lot of my favorite bands have been re-re-issuing their whole catalogs, just years after I completed their full discographies - Rush, Queen, Kansas (most of it in a boxset), King Crimson, Genesis (although I got all of those boxsets now), Pink Floyd...it's getting pricey!
But I was going to hold off on the KC re-issues for now, until more got re-issued. It's hard to set money aside for them, though, with so much NEW music coming out this year, so it's been tricky to be picky about re-issues.
-Marc.
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I wonder why he skipped Larks.
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I wonder why he skipped Larks.
Well they weren't released in chronological order. IIRC, he released them as follows:
Lizard and Red
ITCOTCK
ITWOP and Islands
SABB and Discipline
IIRC, either Beat or TOAPP were next, along with LTIA, but no news has been said along that front.
-Marc.
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So I'm at Starless and Bible Black now. It's not as good as the others.
The sound changes a bit on that album but give it a couple of spins and it will sink in
Starless is hurt, IMO, by the fact that a lot of the songs are live improvs, so they seem really, really aimless. Lament and We'll Let You Know are fun jams that I enjoy, but Trio, The Mincer and the title-track are really aimless. Fracture is a bit sparse, but it has some cool sections.
The Night Watch is a fantastic song though and I really like The Great Deceiver, which has a wry sense of humor thing going on.
SABB is definitely one of their lesser albums, but I still find stuff to enjoy.
I wonder why he skipped Larks.
The Larks reissue is done, last I heard. It wasn't released because of some issue getting the rights to something... so they went with Discipline instead.
I wish I remember where I read that, but it was a while ago.... gah!
I really wish the reissues would come out a bit faster though. Waiting a year for the next two releases is killing me.
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Also, were TCOL and TPTB being remixed by Wilson as well?
Thrak and Power are being handled by someone else (forget his name). ConstruKction is not included in the anniversary series whatsoever.
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Improvisation was an important part of King Crimson, especially in the early days, and my guess is that Fripp wanted to capture some of that on record. The biggest problem, as I see it, is that it really should be relegated to live albums and not take up space on studio albums. If you buy a live Crimson album, you expect at least some improv tracks. Studio albums, I'm looking for more structure, tunes that are actually composed, with maybe a section or two that are improvised.
Even Red, my favorite studio Crimson album, has "Providence" which I often skip. Actually, for a long I assumed it was a studio improv, as he fades it out before the end. It wasn't until much, much later that we learned that it's an excerpt from a live recording. In which case, I'm not sure what the point was, except to include it on an album just because he wanted it out there.
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Now I'm listening to Red and boy is it a big improvement over the two albums before it.
Totally agreed. I think Starless and Bible Black is a total dud, and I've never thought Larks' was anything more than just good. Red is dynamite.
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Now I'm listening to Red and boy is it a big improvement over the two albums before it.
Totally agreed. I think Starless and Bible Black is a total dud, and I've never thought Larks' was anything more than just good. Red is dynamite.
Agreed, and you could probably make yourself a single 80-minute CD-r of the best Wetton-Era tunes anyway and have all you need on one disc instead of three.
-Marc.
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My college roommate played Red and USA all the time, and I consider this my real introduction to King Crimson, even though I'd heard In the Court of the Crimson King many years before. To this day, those are my favorite studio and live albums by King Crimson, and I guess it's because of those two albums that I still consider the mid-70's band my favorite. But I do remember finally getting a chance to hear Starless and Bible Black and Larks' Tongues in Aspic and being rather underwhelmed by both of them. They each have their moments, but overall did not live up.
Marc is right; the best of those three albums could easily fit on a single CD. Hmm, that gives me an idea...
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I've been listening to A Scarcity of Miracles over the past few days and I like this album a lot, but I feel like it falls short of living up to its potential.
I don't really like the last two tracks at all. The other man, and Light of day. All the other songs are somber, beautiful and touching where as the last two tracks just feel somewhat dark, and don't do anything spectacular.
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I don't think Red is that much better than Larks. In fact, I think I might like Larks better. Jamie Muir's percussion contributions are pretty interesting. SABB is an okay album, with The Night Watch being an obvious highlight, but I'm not too thrilled with some of the improv stuff.
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Okay, now I'm finishing up Beat. It's definitely given off the best first impression so far. If I had to rank the albums, even though I've listened to each one only once (other than ITCOTCK), I'd do it like this:
1. Beat
2. In the Wake of Poseidon
3. Lizard
4. Red
5. In the Court of the Crimson King
6. Islands
7. Larks' Tongues in Aspic
8. Discipline
9. Starless and Bible Black
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That's a refreshing opinion. Most people consider Discipline the best (of the three 80's albums), then Beat, then Three of a Perfect Pair. I've seen many who consider Beat nearly as good as Discipline, but many see a steep dropoff in quality after Discipline which continues to Three. I'm not sure if I've ever seen Beat ranked higher than Discipline.
They're pretty neck-and-neck for me. I like the direction they took with Discipline (compared to the earlier stuff), and Beat took it a bit further in some ways, but in a few spots maybe went a bit too far for me. Interesting that you actually put Discipline so low, also. That too is unusual.
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Okay, now I'm finishing up Beat. It's definitely given off the best first impression so far. If I had to rank the albums, even though I've listened to each one only once (other than ITCOTCK), I'd do it like this:
1. Beat
2. In the Wake of Poseidon
3. Lizard
4. Red
5. In the Court of the Crimson King
6. Islands
7. Larks' Tongues in Aspic
8. Discipline
9. Starless and Bible Black
Wow, beat as number 1. I never thought I would see that. Don't get me wrong, I like Beat a lot, but its kind of a KC blacksheep to me. It strays just a bit to far into new wave/pop, but I still get a lot of enjoyment out of it and the music video for heartbeat is priceless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPO3pJEieSU
Does anybody else know if this is the only music video they made?
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That's a refreshing opinion. Most people consider Discipline the best (of the three 80's albums), then Beat, then Three of a Perfect Pair. I've seen many who consider Beat nearly as good as Discipline, but many see a steep dropoff in quality after Discipline which continues to Three. I'm not sure if I've ever seen Beat ranked higher than Discipline.
They're pretty neck-and-neck for me. I like the direction they took with Discipline (compared to the earlier stuff), and Beat took it a bit further in some ways, but in a few spots maybe went a bit too far for me. Interesting that you actually put Discipline so low, also. That too is unusual.
I simply wasn't impressed by what I heard from Discipline. Maybe I'll listen to it again.
This just in, my updated ranking:
1. Three of a Perfect Pair
2. Beat
3. In the Wake of Poseidon
4. Lizard
5. Red
6. In the Court of the Crimson King
7. Islands
8. Larks' Tongues in Aspic
9. Discipline
10. Starless and Bible Black
I'm on THRAK now, and so far it's faring better than TFAPP. :lol
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I'm on THRAK now, and so far it's faring better than TFAPP. :lol
What have you been *doing* while listening to these albums?? :rollin
-Marc.
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I - I have no idea where that abbreviation came from. :blush
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H, please re-listen to everything one more time. If you insist ranking beat and TOAPP in the top of your list I will have to ask you to leave this thread.
Sincerley,
Every King Crimson Fan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPO3pJEieSU
Does anybody else know if this is the only music video they made?
I've never seen that video before. I know there was one for "Sleepless". It's awesome.
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So THRAK was very very good but The ConstruKction of Light is really not doing so well.
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TCOL has some great material, but the production is kind of weird, especially the drums. Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part IV just rips my face off, though.
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Okay, FraKctured has to be the best thing I've heard by KC thus far.
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So THRAK was very very good but The ConstruKction of Light is really not doing so well.
I love THRAK and can't stand TCOL.
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Three of a Perfect Pair
Beat
THRAK
The ConstruKction of Light
In the Wake of Poseidon
Lizard
Red
In the Court of the Crimson King
Islands
Larks' Tongues in Aspic
Discipline
Starless and Bible Black
One more album to go! So far I definitely prefer front catalog of their discography, it would seem.
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Give it time. As you listen to each album more, they will move around in your rankings, I'm sure.
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The Power to Believe is the best King Crimson album. There. Now my ranking is complete.
But I'm not really sold on King Crimson anyway. Not really my thing. I was just listening because I knew it was a big inspiration for Steven Wilson's Grace For Drowning. So I'm done with KC for now.
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Um, dude, how many times did you listen to each album?
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Once. Except ITCOTCK, which I listened to about 5 times.
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One listen isn't always enough to figure how you feel about an album. I'd recommend you listen some more and not at such a fast pace. I've never gotten stuck on a band by binging on their entire discography in a matter of days.
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One listen isn't always enough to figure how you feel about an album. I'd recommend you listen some more and not at such a fast pace. I've never gotten stuck on a band by binging on their entire discography in a matter of days.
I've pretty much known within a few listens whether or not an artist is for me. And KC is not. :)
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One listen is never enough to figure how you feel about an album.
I could add comments on the albums, but they're surely further back in the thread already.
I do have to come back to this band at some point and get the remasters. I honestly think half the reason this band is(was) so hard for most non-prog hardcores to get into is(was) the production of most of their albums.
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I never thought someone could form an opinion about an album after listening to it only once. Especially when it comes to progressive rock, it's music filled with so many layers that unveil themselves with repeated listenings. Some albums just take time, some albums just grow on you even though you might have been bored the first time you heard it. I think I had to listen to each King Crimson album for at least five times before I came to conclusions as to what I think about it.
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I had to struggle (rather intensely) just to make it through the first song on Red when I first heard it. It took me some time to even get around to sitting through the whole record. Nowadays, though, it's one of my favorite jams, full-stop. Had you told me some months back that I'd be enjoying Red so much, I'd of laughed in your face. :lol
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I completely agree with both of you ^^^^^
For me King Crimson was one of the most difficult bands to ever get into, since the music was so intricate and band membership was so diversified.
When I first listened to them I was completely baffled and alienated by the music, but as time went by I began to acquire a taste in it, and now KC is one of my favorite bands.
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KC really seemed to become a study in sonorities that get under the skin. however, by the time the '80s rolled around, they seemed more 'considerate' of a pop audience, and basically stayed that way (making them better, imo).
with that said,
DAT CODA OF "ONE MORE RED NIGHTMARE"
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I completely agree with both of you ^^^^^
For me King Crimson was one of the most difficult bands to ever get into, since the music was so intricate and band membership was so diversified.
When I first listened to them I was completely baffled and alienated by the music, but as time went by I began to acquire a taste in it, and now KC is one of my favorite bands.
I agree.
KC is a hard band to get into, one that took time for me, lots of listens (their my number 4 on last.fm), but it was very rewarding. KC is dark and rarely cheesy unlike the other 70's prog bands and they can be really, really heavy.
I think it's awesome you did what you did H, but give KC some more time. If you enjoy GFD (and PT) as much as you do, then 70's Krimson should be a shoe-in.
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I could see myself liking early KC, I guess. Probably up til Starless and Bible Black. And then honestly, I think other bands do the modern-KC sound a whole lot better than KC.
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I never thought there was a King Crimson sound. But that's the beauty of it. Pure bliss. Especially live.
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I never thought there was a King Crimson sound.
honky saxophones /thread
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A honking portion of their discography doesn't feature reed instruments.
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All right, as stated in the haul thread, I bought ITWOP, Lizard and Red today. Currently on Poseidon. This is more to my liking. The title track is beautiful. Of course, having a singer I'm really familiar with (big ELP fan here) is really helping. :)
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Yeah, Greg Lake had an amazing voice for a long, long time.
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Greg Lake was the best vocalist Crimson ever had.
His contributions were amazing.
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All right, as stated in the haul thread, I bought ITWOP, Lizard and Red today. Currently on Poseidon. This is more to my liking. The title track is beautiful. Of course, having a singer I'm really familiar with (big ELP fan here) is really helping. :)
Poseidon is hot. And actually I think I may like it a little better then ITCOTKC.
And Hot damn do I love the title track, its so powerful.
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Yeah, Greg Lake had an amazing voice for a long, long time.
It is criminal that his name rarely comes up when people discuss the best rock vocalists ever. He is definitely up there. But I think that since most associate him with ELP, and ELP is so over the top with their musicianship, that Lake simply gets overlooked. But in his heyday, his voice was magnificent.
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ELP was absolutely over-the-top with their musicianship and playing (related but not quite the same thing) and that's part of what I loved about them. All three of them were fantastic at what they did.
When he was younger, Lake's voice was pure and sweet and crystal clear. Early King Crimson and ELP benefitted from it. But listen to him on Welcome Back, My Friends.. and all the way through Works with ELP. He matured into a monster baritone who could still get up into the tenor range. "Pirates" blows me away.
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Not nearly as big a fan of Greg Lake as you guys.
Maybe I'm being picky (Wouldn't be the first time and it's probably not the last), but he lacked a little in the range department. He certainly knew his comfort zone though.
Probably more of a fan of his from the Emerson, Lake, and Palmer days than King Crimson.
Much more of a Wetton and Belew fan --- and the fact that the he had already joined ELP the first time I ever heard his voice may have something to do with it.
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perhaps because my introduction to KC was with Belew, i've never found Lake particularly suited to the craziness of the older KC records.
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I've always thought of Belew as too crazy. :lol
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ELP was absolutely over-the-top with their musicianship and playing (related but not quite the same thing) and that's part of what I loved about them. All three of them were fantastic at what they did.
When he was younger, Lake's voice was pure and sweet and crystal clear. Early King Crimson and ELP benefitted from it. But listen to him on Welcome Back, My Friends.. and all the way through Works with ELP. He matured into a monster baritone who could still get up into the tenor range. "Pirates" blows me away.
I adored Pirates for the longest time. So much that even though I do not listen to it much anymore, I could probably still sing along word for word, and that song has a lot of lyrics. Great tune.
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Of all the KC albums, I never thought the vocals stood out as anything special. Maybe on THRAK, where they were kind of distorted. That was cool. But other than that, the vocals were just *there*.
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I just realized again that Prelude:Song Of The Gulls is one of the best King Crimson tracks. And combined with Islands,it makes one of the best musical experiences of the 70s
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Finished Lizard. Wasn't for me.
And Red. I don't know what it is, but I swear I have heard this album before and I can't recall where. Were any of these songs ever regular on classic radio stations or something. Because as far as I know, I hadn't listend t anything KC until a few months back, but I know these songs from somewhere.
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Oh man, when I heard Jon Anderson on Lizard's title track for the first time, it brought such a smile to my face. Such a pleasant surprise.
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Oh man, when I heard Jon Anderson on Lizard's title track for the first time, it brought such a smile to my face. Such a pleasant surprise.
Wait, that was really him? I was so confused listening to that. I convinced myself I was crazy. XD
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That's definitely Jon Anderson, (former) lead vocalist from Yes, making a guest appearance on Lizard.
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Yup. He does a fine job too.
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JR posted this video on his Twitter. He plays Starless on the Geo Synthesizer :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nb9XDq8nQps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nb9XDq8nQps)
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JR posted this video on his Twitter. He plays Starless on the Geo Synthesizer :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nb9XDq8nQps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nb9XDq8nQps)
Totally forgot how much I love starless. :heart
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One of my favorite KC tunes. It was a cool rendition, and obviously Jordan is quite gifted, but I've always thought that I'd enjoy his playing a lot more if he toned it down maybe 20%. Everything he does, every single note, is just so over-the-top. Flashy is fine; hell, I grew up with Emerson and Wakeman, but they at least knew how to embellish through contrast. Jordan never seems able to switch it off. I can't think of anything he's done that isn't ridiculously over-the-top.
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I love "Starless", and while this is good, as far as covers go, I'll take the Morse/Portnoy/George version! Jordan does a good job here, though, and I like all his new gadgets!
-Marc.
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The gadgets are awesome and clever. He can play a freakin' iPod likes it's a synth. Actually, it is a synth. The Continuum, the MorphWiz, all that shit is great. I'd love to hear him play them sometime and show some restraint.
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One of my favorite KC tunes. It was a cool rendition, and obviously Jordan is quite gifted, but I've always thought that I'd enjoy his playing a lot more if he toned it down maybe 20%. Everything he does, every single note, is just so over-the-top. Flashy is fine; hell, I grew up with Emerson and Wakeman, but they at least knew how to embellish through contrast. Jordan never seems able to switch it off. I can't think of anything he's done that isn't ridiculously over-the-top.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
For me, less is more. I have the deepest appreciation for subtlety, and when things get excessively over the top, I usually tune out.
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The gadgets are awesome and clever. He can play a freakin' iPod likes it's a synth. Actually, it is a synth. The Continuum, the MorphWiz, all that shit is great. I'd love to hear him play them sometime and show some restraint.
So something more akin to the opening of "Octavarium" or the middle section of "The Count Of Tuscany"? Synths in a more atmospheric mood? Or just more like chord patches, block-chords and moving tones, something more... I dunno.... Kevin Moore-like?
-Marc.
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Actually, now that you mention it, the intro to "Octavarium" is pretty damned cool. I'd forgotten about it. While a lot of people say it goes on too long and/or is boring, I actually really like it. So thanks for that. Yes, that is indeed an example of Jordan actually showing some restraint and playing tastefully. But I know that a lot of people don't really get into that. They want the wankery. I've heard people say that wish they could just skip the intro, and others who've actually made their own edits.
I haven't listened to "The Count of Tuscany" for a while, but I seem to remember it gets really mellow and moody for a while, and I'm sure Jordan is a part of that. I have to listen to it again.
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Actually, now that you mention it, the intro to "Octavarium" is pretty damned cool. I'd forgotten about it. While a lot of people say it goes on too long and/or is boring, I actually really like it. So thanks for that. Yes, that is indeed an example of Jordan actually showing some restraint and playing tastefully. But I know that a lot of people don't really get into that. They want the wankery. I've heard people say that wish they could just skip the intro, and others who've actually made their own edits.
I haven't listened to "The Count of Tuscany" for a while, but I seem to remember it gets really mellow and moody for a while, and I'm sure Jordan is a part of that. I have to listen to it again.
For what it's worth, I think Jordan has shown quite a bit of restraint, particularly in the more touching ballads like "Through Her Eyes", "Disappear", "Vacant", "The Answer Lies Within", "Far From Heaven" and "Beneath The Surface". I think when he's not soloing, he's doing quite a bit of restraint, especially playing piano and not synth. Rarely does he go crazy on piano alone, although one of the few times I can think of is "Solitary Shell".
I think he chooses which sounds and patches will be his crazy solo ones, so that they stand out, and leaves the piano and other Floydian-synths for the more "mellow and moody" parts. All his parts just seem to FIT, which is what I'd expect from him, and the rest of the band.
-Marc.
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Again, you're probably right. I don't notice it when he's fitting in. It's only when he does something I consider too wanky that it stands out, so it seems like it's all the time because those are the only times that catch my attention. Playing keyboards in a band is a bitch. It's a support role practically by definition, stay in the background and just plays nice pads and chords, so when he gets the chance to go nuts a little, he does. I can understand that.
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Totally agree Orbert. He does some super minimalist piano on 'Veneno Para Las Hadas' by Steven Wilson, and it's fucking gorgeous. Unfortunately even his other ballad-y piano work is normally flourished out the ass.
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Again, you're probably right. I don't notice it when he's fitting in. It's only when he does something I consider too wanky that it stands out, so it seems like it's all the time because those are the only times that catch my attention. Playing keyboards in a band is a bitch. It's a support role practically by definition, stay in the background and just plays nice pads and chords, so when he gets the chance to go nuts a little, he does. I can understand that.
I think, if you want something that is a bit less wanky, Neal Morse is a good example. He picks really appropriate sounds, everything between basic piano to Rhodes to searing synths to Mellotron, and his solos aren't has crazy as Jordan's, and not because he can't play nearly as well as him (I'll admit, Neal may not be a Julliard prodigy, but he's pretty damn good), but because he also plays what's appropriate for his songs and music.
I think Neal has a good balance, as well, and his solos aren't too crazy, so he's not labelled as a wanky-player like Jordan often is, but they both really balance their roles in their respective bands. However, it is interesting that, as a solo artist, Neal does use the keyboard quite a lot in his solo albums, but he knows how to balance it pretty well with the other instruments (especially guitar), but with Jordan, as part of a group, his solo spot-lights are a bit less spread out - they're more or less inserted, like "here's where Jordan gets to show off for a bit, then Petrucci, then maybe a bit of Jordan again". Neal weaves his stuff in and out of instruments, and then does a focus on one or the other, while DT just, sometimes, pieces together where Jordan gets to solo.
Not that either way is right or wrong, better or worse, just... different.
-Marc.
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One of my favorite KC tunes. It was a cool rendition, and obviously Jordan is quite gifted, but I've always thought that I'd enjoy his playing a lot more if he toned it down maybe 20%. Everything he does, every single note, is just so over-the-top. Flashy is fine; hell, I grew up with Emerson and Wakeman, but they at least knew how to embellish through contrast. Jordan never seems able to switch it off. I can't think of anything he's done that isn't ridiculously over-the-top.
He doesn't go nearly as overboard most of the time on his solo albums. Very tasteful stuff and VERY mellow at times.
I've decided for myself that the guy is pretty much the successor to Keith Emerson. (I keep having fantasies of him hooking up with Carl Palmer to see what would happen.)
I also think Jordan is, for the most part, still heavilly underutilized in Dream Theater.
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I'm a bit interested in checking out King Crimson, for several reasons really. One would be that I really loved Grace For Drowning by Steven Wilson, which is supposedly very KC-influenced. Apart from Steven Wilson I've recently been getting into Dir En Grey, an Avant-Garde metal band that also incorporates some jazz-influences here and there, though perhaps not as much as SW did on Grace For Drowning. My avatar is the cover for Dir En Grey's album "Uroboros" which was actually inspired by a KC-cover, "Lizard" if I'm not mistaken. So this has sorta made me a bit interested in checking out King Crimson, because I really enjoy a bit of jazz and fusion mixed with progressive stuff, so if they are big influence for Steven Wilson, then I feel intrigued.
My KC-history is pretty small. I've checked out "In the Court of the Crimson King" a few years ago. Remember it as being a solid album, but back then my musical preferences were very different, and if I listened to it today I'm pretty sure I would like it more.
However, is it the best starting point or are there other good ones? For those familiar with Grace For Drowning and SW's other KC-influenced work, I'm curious about what KC albums in particular might have influenced him. Since KC has released many albums, I figure there might be differences between different eras and albums, sound-wise.
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Well, to me In The Court of The Crimson King is the best place to start so you should re-visit that record. I prefer to listen to a band from start to end but if you want specific recommendations, I'd go for Red, Lark's Tongues in Aspic and In The Wake Of Poseidon. Those are all from what I call the first Crimson era (though some may argue Lark's and Red are the second era) and probably the ones that influences SW the most.
From Crimson's second era you might go with Discipline and Thrak.
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ITCOTKC and Red would indeed be the best SW-related starting points, but Lizard is actually in this group as well (it's SW's favourite). however, Lizard is an entirely different beast, and a tough swallow imo, so it really depends on what you end up enjoying about these records. try the first two, and if you enjoy the weirder, more pastoral sides they contain, try Lizard.
probably not a great idea to throw more at you until those ones are done (they take a bit to sink in, as is the nature of the beast!).
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Sounds cool. I think I will start with ITCOTCK, Red and Lizard. :)
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All the 70s King Crimson albums are better than Grace For Drowning. Everything after is just too different to compare (though I'd also say The Power To Believe is also better than GFD)
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All the 70s King Crimson albums are better than Grace For Drowning. Everything after is just too different to compare (though I'd also say The Power To Believe is also better than GFD)
I'll admit, as much as I love Steven Wilson and nearly all of his output (I've enjoyed Storm Corrosion, actually!), I just could not get through GFD all in one listen. I've only heard it ONCE all the way through, and my attention was drifting in and out. Since then, it's been listened in fragments. I would say that the Wetton-Era-Trilogy albums are better than the two SW solo albums, and most of the First Four KC albums are better than SW's solo albums.
I really do love TPTB, and I had hoped for years that the band would continue in a similar direction, but unfortunately, all we've gotten was the ProjeKct last year, which was OK, but too mellow for my tastes.
-Marc.
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I think The Power to Believe may be my favorite KC album, but it fluctuates.
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TPTB is my favorite. It seems like a culmination of many of the ideas KC had being working with for decades. Level Five especially just smokes.
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Live in Argentina 1994 DVD: https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3799 (https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=3799)
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All the 70s King Crimson albums are better than Grace For Drowning.
Call me a Wilson fanboy, but I think Grace for Downing obliterates every King Crimson album from the 70s except for Red.
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All the 70s King Crimson albums are better than Grace For Drowning.
Call me a Wilson fanboy, but I think Grace for Downing obliterates every King Crimson album from the 70s except for Red.
Okay Wilson fanboy. :D
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Heh, have it your way. :biggrin:
But when it comes to King Crimson, I realized I either really love their stuff or I am very ambivalent towards it. I love Red, Discipline and The Power to Believe all a lot, and if you told me that I could never listen to another song off any other KC album for the rest of my life, I probably wouldn't care. Sure, there'd be a few songs I'd miss, but gimme those three albums I love and I'd be content.
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Well, I'm biased, Crimson is my favorite 70's prog act. They're always interesting to me. Even Islands, which I think sucks, is interesting to a degree.
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All the 70s King Crimson albums are better than Grace For Drowning.
Call me a Wilson fanboy, but I think Grace for Downing obliterates every King Crimson album from the 70s except for Red.
Okay Wilson fanboy. :D
Seriously... That stuff (and most King Crimson) is on another plain of existence -- especially live. (and I include Rush in that statement.)
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How about Starless and Bible Black? That album doesn't seem to get the love as much as almost every other KC album. It's in my top 3 (along with Red and TPTB), and contains some of their best songs, not to mention the beautiful Trio; no other improv piece has ever made me shed a tear, EVER.
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Besides the beautiful exceptions of the Night Watch and Trio, Starless and Bible Black is probably my least favorite KC album.
just far too many improvised pieces that don't really go anywhere. And from that starting lyric of "health food faggot" I was immediately having doubts about the album and as I progressed further I lost more and more interest.
I typically have a lot of trouble just making it from beginning to end all the way through.
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The album contains Frakture. One of the band's best pieces.
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"Health food faggot" is a line of its time. Today you have vegans, before them were vegetarians. The ones who may have a legitimate reason for the self-imposed food choices they've made, but who are far outnumbered by those who are only into it because it's trendy, and either way, all of us regular folk are sick to death of hearing about it. People who were into health food were also quite often, ironically, less than healthy-looking. Their frail appearance put them into the same convenient clichéd box where the gay boys went. If you were around in the 70's, and were neither into health food nor homosexual, you might bust out laughing every time you heard the line.
I'm not sure why I feel the need to explain it, but it's just the way it is. In the 80's we had Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" with the line "The little faggot with the earring and the makeup..." Politically incorrect beyond measure, by today's standards, but in context, acceptable at the time. Note that both lines are sung by a character and shouldn't be considered the views of the writer, etc.
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Putting it in context, it now makes a lot more sense.
Being born 14 years after the album came out, I really wasn't aware of the situation.
It was just kind of Jarring the first time I heard it, but now understanding the back ground, I feel like I can now have an appreciation for it.
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It is jarring. The first few times I heard it, I did bust out laughing. Later I thought "Damn, that's harsh." I totally understand people being put off by it, even offended by it. But some people think and talk like that.
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really dislike most of the vocal pieces on Starless, but a lot of the instrumental material is fairly brilliant. i'll take side 2 over the rest of it every time.
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Fracture is a top 5 KC song for me. Every other song is great too, except the title track doesn't do much for me.
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I still find it bizarre with Fracture that they left the guy in the crowd calling someone a wanker at the beginning of the track there. I mean, how hard would it really be to remove that, given the performance was professionally recorded?
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really dislike most of the vocal pieces on Starless, but a lot of the instrumental material is fairly brilliant. i'll take side 2 over the rest of it every time.
I'm the exact opposite. :lol
Side 2 loses me, while Side 1 has some good to great stuff.
Anyone listen to any of the bonus tracks on the 40th Anniversary release? Unlike most bonus tracks, I quite liked them and thought they were pretty solid additions.
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i allways felt like king crimson are very overrated...
they are still a good band though
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Hot damn!
Those first couple minutes of Moonchild may as well be the best (musical) thing to happen in the 60s.
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Hot damn!
Those first couple minutes of Moonchild may as well be the best (musical) thing to happen in the 60s.
The last 10 minutes, on the other hand... ;)
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Finally bought ITCOTCK today, completing my collection of the remasters (until new remasters come out, of course). Wow, this album actually lived up to all the hype I've heard over the years. It's damn good. It actually makes everything else I've heard from them seem like a downgrade now, though. :lol Except "In The Wake Of Poseidon", that's still my favorite song by them. But yeah, I love every song on the debut, which I can't say at all for the others.
I'll have to crack into Discipline next. Bought it a month back and haven't heard a note.
So what's released this year? Do they fill in that 70s hole with Larks' Tongues, or do they continue into the 80s with Beat? Both? Or a different album entirely?
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i allways felt like king crimson are very overrated...
they are still a good band though
Dear Crimson King,
I judged you too fast, and I was wrong.
I am sorry for underrating you for too long. You are amazing.
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i allways felt like king crimson are very overrated...
they are still a good band though
Dear Crimson King,
I judged you too fast, and I was wrong.
I am sorry for underrating you for too long. You are amazing.
I like this post very much.
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i allways felt like king crimson are very overrated...
they are still a good band though
Dear Crimson King,
I judged you too fast, and I was wrong.
I am sorry for underrating you for too long. You are amazing.
It's never late to realize you're wrong :). Welcome to the awesome world of King Crimson
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I dont usually love music from the 80's. but their album Discipline is simply a work of a genius.
Larks' Tongues in Aspic is amazing and In The Court of the Crimson King is such a unique and brave album...
I need to give Red a few more listens before I decide what I think about it.
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Red is my second favorite from them. The other 3 you mention plus this one make the KC top 4
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Red Is actually my favorite KC album despite me not being too crazy about Providence.
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the 40th anniversary re-mix of Larks' Tongues is up for preorder at Burning Shed now. it's too bad they stuffed the blu-ray into such an enormous and mostly unattractive (to me) package - guess i'm going for the 2xCD+DVD-A.
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Red Is actually my favorite KC album despite me not being too crazy about Providence.
Same here. Everything up to that is just so strong. And King Crimson has always had the improvs, in every version of the band, so I'm okay with it. I do skip it sometimes, but sometimes I play it out. I was bummed to discover years later that there's a complete version of that same jam that doesn't fade out. Fripp ripped us off, the bastard.
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My favorite's Lizard, in all it's weird, funky goodness. Since it seems the Wetton albums are the cool ones to talk about, I will say Starless and Bible Black's instrumentals are phenomenal. Especially the live segment that was tagged onto the beginning of The Night Watch. Real beauty right there.
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I find their improvs either hit or miss. I love Fracture and Larks part 1, but on the other hand Providence and The Sheltering sky put me to sleep. Sometimes the improvs really bring the album down for me, which is a shame, Red for example could have been perfect had it not been for Providence.
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I often have trouble deciding my favourite Crimson album. ItCotCK is always pretty high, and LTIA is also often very high. The way the violin is used on it is just so good.
I do also love Red, especially Starless at the end. Actually, sod it. It's all brilliant.
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"Providence" is... okay. It's certainly the worst on Red, but IMO, it doesn't bring the album down as much as "Moonloop" brings down ItCotCK.
Ranking KC albums is incredibly hard for me. Red, Discipline, ItWoP and ItCoKC all come so close to perfection in their own ways. Lizard too sometimes.
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"Providence" is... okay. It's certainly the worst on Red
I know it's just semantics, but I have trouble thinking of Providence as "the worst" track on Red. It's my least favorite, for sure, and the only one I skip, and at that, only sometimes. But the improvs to me are in their own category. On each album, we get "regular" songs and one or two improv tracks. On Red, this is the improv track. It's always been a part of King Crimson and what they're about, and Fripp obviously feels strongly that this side of the band should always be represented. I can't even compare "Providence" to the written, rehearsed tracks because it's not even the same kind of performance. I compare it to the other improvs on the other albums.
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I like Providence a lot, but especially the full version on The Great Deciever DGM stuff. It seems a shame that the one on Red misses the funky bit at the end.
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I find their improvs either hit or miss. I love Fracture and Larks part 1, but on the other hand Providence and The Sheltering sky put me to sleep. Sometimes the improvs really bring the album down for me, which is a shame, Red for example could have been perfect had it not been for Providence.
Frakture is completely composed, and LTIA part 1 is mostly composed, with little bits of improv in the second half.
BTW, anyone with me that The Power To Believe is a top 3 KC album? (or top 5?) It's seriously that good, and there's something about it that makes it almost mystifying.
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Frakture is completely composed, and LTIA part 1 is mostly composed, with little bits of improv in the second half.
Well, there you go then. Their improvs are miss. ;D
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The improv entitled "Asbury Park" is pretty good.
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"Asbury Park" from USA is my favorite improv by King Crimson or any other band. It blows my face out.
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BTW, anyone with me that The Power To Believe is a top 3 KC album? (or top 5?) It's seriously that good, and there's something about it that makes it almost mystifying.
I've already said it three times in this thread, but TPTB is my favorite KC album. :heart
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BTW, anyone with me that The Power To Believe is a top 3 KC album? (or top 5?) It's seriously that good, and there's something about it that makes it almost mystifying.
I've already said it three times in this thread, but TPTB is my favorite KC album. :heart
I think its my favorite too.
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the 40th anniversary re-mix of Larks' Tongues is up for preorder at Burning Shed now.
Woohoo! Any others coming out this year? Beat?
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Discipline rules so hard.
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the 40th anniversary re-mix of Larks' Tongues is up for preorder at Burning Shed now.
Woohoo! Any others coming out this year? Beat?
Beat is also coming out in October, as stated by Inner Knot Records on their Facebook page.
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the 40th anniversary re-mix of Larks' Tongues is up for preorder at Burning Shed now.
Woohoo! Any others coming out this year? Beat?
Beat is also coming out in October, as stated by Inner Knot Records on their Facebook page.
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So I'm the only one who really likes Providence then?
One More Red Nightmare is the weakest track to me.
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I really like Providence...you're not alone!
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Asbury Park <3<3<3
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Discipline rules so hard.
Yes it does. :2metal:
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I have the sudden desire to learn Moonchild on the guzheng.
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Discipline rules so hard.
Yes it does. :2metal:
It totally does :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I've got two King Crimson albums lined up, ready for my ears: The Power To Believe, and Islands. Interesting duo of KC albums if I do say so myself.
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Those two kick arse so hard.
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That they are. This thread has yet again, inspired me to get back into King Crimson. :biggrin:
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That is good. One should never be out of King Crimson. ♫♫
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Since getting that vinyl copy of ItCotCK, I think I've listened to the album pretty much every day. It's really wierd but it's just put me in a really Frippy mood.
The cover is.... captivating.
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I've been spinning the first two albums a lot this past weekend. Last night I listened to the first one in headphones in my bed as I was ready to get to sleep.
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Ah, ItWoP. It's a great album, but doesn't really feel as special as a lot of their others, but it has some nice ideas in it.
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I unabashedly love ITWoP. I love every song on it and, IMO, it's their most consistent album from Court through Red.
The one drawback; the good songs don't really compare to the good songs from their other albums.
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I also love ITWoP and I especially love The title track. The only track I don't like is devil's triangle.
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"Health food faggot" is a line of its time. Today you have vegans, before them were vegetarians. The ones who may have a legitimate reason for the self-imposed food choices they've made, but who are far outnumbered by those who are only into it because it's trendy, and either way, all of us regular folk are sick to death of hearing about it. People who were into health food were also quite often, ironically, less than healthy-looking. Their frail appearance put them into the same convenient clichéd box where the gay boys went. If you were around in the 70's, and were neither into health food nor homosexual, you might bust out laughing every time you heard the line.
I'm not sure why I feel the need to explain it, but it's just the way it is. In the 80's we had Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" with the line "The little faggot with the earring and the makeup..." Politically incorrect beyond measure, by today's standards, but in context, acceptable at the time. Note that both lines are sung by a character and shouldn't be considered the views of the writer, etc.
Just catching up on this thread, and this little exchange from a couple of months ago needs to be corrected. The line "health food faggot" is NOT a slur against gays; see here:
https://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/FAQ_-_What_Does_It_All_Mean%3F#What_do_the_lyrics_in_the_.27The_Great_Deceiver.27_.28.22Health_Food_Faggot.22.29_refer_to.3F
"Faggot", before it's anti-gay connotation, was a term for basically a burnt chunk of firewood. Veggie burgers, in their earliest forms, were more unappealing back in the 70s than today; this line refers to a slang term for them (because they looked like little burnt chunks of firewood).
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Interesting. Of course, Brits may well think first of the other slang meaning for "faggot" while Americans certainly would not. Still, I guess I went and defended something that didn't need any defense. Not the first time, probably won't be the last.
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After listening to Red few times this is my opinion about it:
A fucking classic.
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Yesterday I listened to the 3 Wetton studio albums. They're all classics. Red is probably in my top 10, maybe even top 5, albums of all time. It gets better after every listen.
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Got ItWoP on vinyl today, while sheltering from the rain (what a convenient record shop, eh?). I was looking at it on the way home, so I earned the nickname "Record Player Man" from the young rapscallions on the bus. I'm hoping having the vinyl will increase my desire to listen to the album again, as it's a great album but when I'm in the mood for something like it, I generally put on ItCotCK, as the main things I listen to ItWoP for are the title track and Cat Food (Cadence And Cascade's pretty good too, but I Talk To The Wind wins for me on that one).
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ITWOP is probably my favorite of the first four albums. CAT FOOD cat food Cat Food AGAIN!
Splitting KC into eras, I would rank them:
1. Thrak to The Power to Believe
2. Discipline to Three of a Perfect Pair
3. Larks' Tongues in Aspic to Red
4. In the Court of the Crimson King to Islands
I really like what Adrian Belew brought to the band. I realize how influential and creative the early stuff was, but it's still my least favorite overall.
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For me it's generally the other way round (although The Power To Believe is one of my favourite KC albums), I think it's probably a result of the instrumentation and the very orchestral and jazzy influences in the earlier things that are a little missing from later stuff.
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1. Thrak to The Power to Believe
2. Discipline to Three of a Perfect Pair
3. Larks' Tongues in Aspic to Red
4. In the Court of the Crimson King to Islands
that's pretty much exactly the ranking i said myself pages and pages ago, so: excellent choices :D
though i've found i rank the Larks-Red KC about equal to Court-Islands KC, as i find there's about an equal balance of brilliance vs. filler, imo.
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Lizard has just clicked. I mean I liked it beforehand, but now I think I really get it.
And now I just have that electric feeling of "this music so damn good I think I'm about to die". Is this what is known as a progasm?
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It is. Now go change your shorts.
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:lol
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Lizard has just clicked. I mean I liked it beforehand, but now I think I really get it.
And now I just have that electric feeling of "this music so damn good I think I'm about to die". Is this what is known as a progasm?
If you think the studio tracks are good. Check out the live cuts.....
One of the few bands where you'd swear you would be seconds away from becoming one with the universe.
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So I just found out that an official live DVD was put out last year of KC's concert in Argentina in 1994.
You can order it here: https://www.amazon.com/King-Crimson-Live-Argentina/dp/B007Z1FD7M (https://www.amazon.com/King-Crimson-Live-Argentina/dp/B007Z1FD7M)
and watch some clips at this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/Teimurazart/videos?view=0 (https://www.youtube.com/user/Teimurazart/videos?view=0)
edit: looks like there's some focus issues on those clips, but otherwise they seem good
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Discipline's Bass and Drum section only available for download. This should be interesting
https://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=6&show=1886 (https://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=6&show=1886)
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Lizard has just clicked. I mean I liked it beforehand, but now I think I really get it.
And now I just have that electric feeling of "this music so damn good I think I'm about to die". Is this what is known as a progasm?
If you think the studio tracks are good. Check out the live cuts.....
One of the few bands where you'd swear you would be seconds away from becoming one with the universe.
I NEED.
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I only own ITCOTCK...but I was checking out several of the SW 40th anniversary sets today at the cd shop...which one would be the best "next step"?
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In the Wake of Poseidon or Lark's Tongues in Aspic I'd say. Or Red. I don't know.
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i'd say jump on Red after ITCOTCK — if you try both and prefer the more 'out there' side, go for Poseidon and Lizard; if you prefer the rawk, go for Starless and Larks'. (you'll eventually have to hear Starless and Larks' anyway!)
however, i'd honestly wait for the upcoming Red stereo re-mix coming out with the Road to Red release this year. for some reason, SW didn't bother doing the stereo mix when they put out the 40th anniversary release, but now he and Fripp have gone back to redo it (a wise decision, as the Red mix just doesn't sound as good as the rest remixed by SW). if you were gonna just listen to the surround mix, though, you can grab Red right away.
if you don't wanna wait for the Red mix, perhaps do Larks' instead.
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In the Wake of Poseidon or Lark's Tongues in Aspic I'd say. Or Red. I don't know.
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In the Wake of Poseidon or Lark's Tongues in Aspic I'd say. Or Red. I don't know.
Yeah, all three of these I like. Larks' I like just as much as the debut, Poseidon's title track is one of the most beautiful I've ever heard, and Red's just an all around fun album.
Personally, I'd save Lizard for last. Easily my least favorite from KC. I don't think there was a single song I liked on there.
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Just discovered the song Waiting Man, and I truly love it.
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Has there ever been a KC album discussion thread?
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Has there ever been a KC album discussion thread?
You mean a discog thread similar to Orbert's Chicago, Yes, ELP and Genesis threads?
As far as I know, nope.
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Has there ever been a KC album discussion thread?
You mean a discog thread similar to Orbert's Chicago, Yes, ELP and Genesis threads?
As far as I know, nope.
Someone more knowledgeable than myself needs to remedy that. I would *LOVE* to see a write up of the albums.
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Someone more knowledgeable than myself needs to remedy that. I would *LOVE* to see a write up of the albums.
I second the motion.
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Has there ever been a KC album discussion thread?
Probably on the Portnoy or Steve Hoffman forums....
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Why? As Dr. Mike would ask: Why do some things happen and other things not? One possible answer: the meeting of Necessity and Contingency.
Necessity: how King Crimson might return to active service, the form it would take and how it could be done, presented itself on Monday 22nd. July https://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=23873… While the rich conversation and comments continued around me, I looked at a situation-of-interest and how it might be approached: it spoke back, directly. Earlier in my life, an experience like this would have set the next period in motion. Presently, choices generate rich repercussions and are to be nicely considered. But, good to know that creative insight remains available to enquiry. This is one kind of necessity: where a creative insight carries with it a certain demand.
Contingency: the removal / dwindling-effect of four contingencies that restrained and limited my ability to act on choices and decisions, two negative and two positive.
1. The likely UMG settlement
2. The non-industry dispute, although without resolution and without agreement, has a de facto position close to that intended.
3. The almost-completion of The Guitar Circle book.
4. The completion of the DU Reading Project.
I note also the Minx’s support, and willing-availability of encouraging Business Persons.
So, King Crimson is in motion. This is a very different reformation to what has gone before: seven players, four English and three American, with three drummers.
The Seven-Headed Beast of Crim is in Go! mode.
From this to a very tasty supper and good conversation, as is always the case when Mr. Bill comes to visit.
Source: https://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist&show&member=3&entry=24091 (https://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist&show&member=3&entry=24091)
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As he gets older, Robert Fripp writes more and more like an eccentric college professor, and less like an actual human being.
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As he gets older, Robert Fripp writes more and more like an eccentric college professor, and less like an actual human being.
He's announcing King Crimson is back and that's what you pay attention to? Show some emotion god dammit!
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I like King Crimson a lot. But not everything they touch is golden. I was good with them up through the 80's, and even into the 90's with the double trio. But a seven-piece band, with three drummers? I'm looking forward to checking it out, but as with anything Robert Fripp says, I'll believe it when I see it.
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I must admit, that update leaves me more than a little confused, but he's saying Crimson is back again?
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I must admit, that update leaves me more than a little confused, but he's saying Crimson is back again?
Yep, they're back!!! With 7 members (3 of them are drummers)!
So excited about this!!!!!
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Oh man this is exciting. I hope there will be a new album this time.
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As he gets older, Robert Fripp writes more and more like an eccentric college professor, and less like an actual human being.
Robert Fripp's ALWAYS been an eccentric college professor. :rollin
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Its about god damn time they got back together. I can't die happy until I see KC live.
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Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnots creamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.Imustnotscreamwithexcitement.
Yeah, uh. This may have made my day, and I thought it was already good with the DT box set arriving.
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Great to hear. :tup
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The lineup is confirmed!! Gavin Harrison, Bill Rieflin, Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto, Mel Collins, Jakko Jakszyk and Robert Fripp!!!
So excited to see Mel Collins in the band. Looks like they'll be playing live this time next year!
https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=4335
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The 8th incarnation of King Crimson will be Gavin Harrison, Bill Rieflin, Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto, Mel Collins, Jakko Jakszyk and Robert Fripp.
https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=4335 (https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=4335)
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That's a pretty badass line-up, and its funny that I was just listening to Ministry this morning too.
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As he gets older, Robert Fripp writes more and more like an eccentric college professor, and less like an actual human being.
Indeed. The only part of the update I understood was this line:
King Crimson is in motion.
Which is good enough for me. :biggrin:
The line up looks fine, but it's pretty much the same one that recorded A Scarcity of miracles two years ago, right? I don't know why they needed three drummers and I'm slightly disappointed that Adrian Belew isn't in it, but oh well, it's not like I'll be able to catch them live. Never say never, though.
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Well Mladen, while that is true, I think bringing back Tony and Pat will take this to a different level. A Scarcity of Miracles had a lot of King Crimson but didn't really sound like it, I'm thinking this will
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Nothing sounds like King Crimson. The 80's band didn't sound like any of the 70's bands, and the 90's band only had a slight connection to the 80's band despite having most of the same members (though only some of the time). The ProjeKcts each had some of the Crimson sound, but were meant to be offshoots to begin with.
This band will probably sound most similar to the 90's-00's band, but even that is conjecture. Typically, when King Crimson reforms after a hiatus, Robert has taken the opportunity to reinvent the band.
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From this, it could be a serious reinvention:
Writing on his (not yet published) dairy for September 24th Fripp notes "The Point Of Crim-Seeing was of a conventional Back Line – Gavin Harrison, Bill Rieflin, Tony Levin and Pat Matstelotto - reconfigured as the Front Line, with Mel Collins, Jakko Jakszyk and myself as Back Line."
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@Orbert: And that is what I love about King Crimson. You never know what will happen next.
@Milahh: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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Ok, saw a little more, it looks like there will be a tour, but nothing said about original music. However, something was said about a serious rework of existing material to accommodate the new instrumentation.
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Even though Fripp said there's no plans for new music, I would not be surprised if a new album comes out of this lineup. I mean, less than a year ago Fripp had quit the music business and now look what he's doing.
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Even though Fripp said there's no plans for new music, I would not be surprised if a new album comes out of this lineup. I mean, less than a year ago Fripp had quit the music business and now look what he's doing.
Agreed. Fripp is the definition of unpredictable.
And that's why I didn't freak out too much when he "retired" from music forever.
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Even though Fripp said there's no plans for new music, I would not be surprised if a new album comes out of this lineup. I mean, less than a year ago Fripp had quit the music business and now look what he's doing.
Agreed. Fripp is the definition of unpredictable.
And that's why I didn't freak out too much when he "retired" from music forever.
Yeah, he even did this, which was probably the least predicable thing for him to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64VGyoIyBgc
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Such a badass
(https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_1080/MI0002/749/MI0002749085.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
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Nothing sounds like King Crimson. The 80's band didn't sound like any of the 70's bands, and the 90's band only had a slight connection to the 80's band despite having most of the same members (though only some of the time). The ProjeKcts each had some of the Crimson sound, but were meant to be offshoots to begin with.
This band will probably sound most similar to the 90's-00's band, but even that is conjecture. Typically, when King Crimson reforms after a hiatus, Robert has taken the opportunity to reinvent the band.
And that's the beauty of it all.
I'm in.
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Surely the 2008/2009 band also had a distinct sound compared to the early 2000s band.
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Listening to Red again, I realise I'd forgotten quite how great the bass solo on Providence is, and how great John Wetton's playing all over that album is in general.
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Reminds me that Steven Wilson still owes us a high quality stereo remix of Red. Any news if it's ever going to happen?
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I think it's coming out in October.
https://www.burningshed.com/store/kingcrimson/product/313/4998/
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Finally. The 30th anniversary remaster isn't too bad and could stand by itself, but listening to it alongside the Steven Wilson mixes of the other albums makes it weird.
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I'm not sure if I want to put down money for another version of Red when I already have the first.
Maybe if it's much, much better.
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I'm just hearing King Crimson for the first time right now - "Epitaph".
It is so beautiful, it's nearly tear-inducing. Very affecting. Wow.... :'( :heart
I guess "In The Court of the Crimson King" is an album to get...
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It is.
Be forwarned, however, that it is very different from what King Crimson would later become. The band is truly progressive in that it has continuously changed its format and sound. The first couple of albums are somewhat similar, but even then, they pretty much did whatever they wanted, and being consistent with what they'd done previously was not a huge consideration.
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I *really* like the sound of Epitaph. I will cautiously explore their other music. ;)
Thanks YouTube! :tup
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Make sure you get the Steven Wilson remixes (40th anniversary editions), seriously. Remixes and remasters are often lousy but this is a rare exception.
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Get this before I get the "Court" CD?
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What you want is the remaster Steven Wilson did of In The Court Of The Crimson King.
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"Epitaph" is one of their best songs, so no surprise you like it so much. :)
Someone already mentioned "Starless," but also check out "Matte Kudasai," "Frame By Frame," "The Night Watch," "In The Wake Of Poseidon" and then, finally, the epic "Lizard." King Crimson runs the gamut from soft and beautiful to some of the most chaotic, abrasive and heavy progressive rock imaginable. Give "21st Century Schizoid Man," "Larks Tongue In Aspic: Part II," "Thela Hun Ginjeet" and "Cat Food" a listen for examples of their latter sound. :)
Definitely at least listen to In The Court Of The Crimson King. It's a landmark album and while it's not my favorite album by them, everyone should hear it at least once. The 40th Anniversary Edition is the best sounding version, but I don't know how readily available it still is. Might be a bit pricey to get a hold of, but it is worth it. :)
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I'll give 'em a whirl. I don't care for harsh, abrasive, chaotic music of any genre...but I wouldn't have known I didn't like it if I'd never heard it, right? ;)
Thanks for the suggestions. Discovering new music, to me, is like discovering I love someone. Extremely rare, really exciting...but never as inevitably disappointing. :-\ ;D
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Ever seen a pic of Bob ironing? No? Here's one
https://instagram.com/p/gawH7umN2W/ (https://instagram.com/p/gawH7umN2W/)
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Thanks for the suggestions. Discovering new music, to me, is like discovering I love someone. Extremely rare, really exciting...but never as inevitably disappointing. :-\ ;D
Extremely rare you searching for new music or extremely rare you really enjoying new music?
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Thanks for the suggestions. Discovering new music, to me, is like discovering I love someone. Extremely rare, really exciting...but never as inevitably disappointing. :-\ ;D
Extremely rare you searching for new music or extremely rare you really enjoying new music?
Extremely rare that I stumble upon new music. :)
I'm not often *searching* per se...but I see suggestions on music boards or on Facebook, check it out and am very often blown away. It's great.
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I've been listening to Beat quite a bit lately.
I always kind of ignored it, but its actually pretty solid, if you like 80's era KC.
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I find it almost as good as Discipline, to be honest. They actually pulled off those more accessible, slightly mainstream track.
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Each of those three albums (Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair) has its strengths. Discpline set the mold of course, but Beat had the feel of a band more comfortable with itself, polished things up in a few ways but also got crazier in some ways. Three of a Perfect Pair brought back the element of improv which was always part of King Crimson, even in the studio.
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I've not heard those three in a while. I should blast them again. I think Discipline is my favourite of the three, but Beat and TOAPP have some really amazing tracks on them, especially Beat, while TOAPP really goes back into the wierd.
Damn, I love the first three on Beat.
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What you want is the remaster Steven Wilson did of In The Court Of The Crimson King.
Is his name prominent on the album? I've been checking thru Amazon and it seems like Wilson re-mastered a few of their albums...but I'm not seeing the specific "Court" re-master...
Does anyone have a link to the exact one I should purchase? Thank you!
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It's the "40th anniversary edition". For some reason I can't find it on Amazon right now :-\
All SW remixes except for one are labelled "40th anniversary". The only exception is Red, the 40th anniversary edition uses an older mix, the SW mix is just sold as the 2013 version of Red.
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Hell yeah, I'm there :metal :metal :metal
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/king-crimson-will-reunite-for-three-new-york-city-shows-20140602
Nevermind,
everything is sold out and the lowest ticket availabie is like $360. Even Stub hub is like $180 for the cheapest ticket. Whatever, didn't even want to see them anyway :'(
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:omg: So jealous of everyone attending...
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Nevermind, everything is sold out and the lowest ticket availabie is like $360. Even Stub hub is like $180 for the cheapest ticket. Whatever, didn't even want to see them anyway :'(
I've been trying to buy tickets online for any of the NYC shows, but for some :censored reason, it keeps popping up as being unavailable when there are clearly some seats still :censored available. Looks like, I'm not the only one with this problem. This might be my first and only chance of ever seeing them live, and the fact that unless I cave in some money for StubHub tickets (which I refuse to do), I'm heartbroken that I won't be seeing them even though I live in the NYC area. :'(
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:omg: So jealous of everyone attending...
^ This. Damn there not being dates outside of America currently announced.
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There's still tickets for Thursday, bought one just now.
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Nevermind, everything is sold out and the lowest ticket availabie is like $360. Even Stub hub is like $180 for the cheapest ticket. Whatever, didn't even want to see them anyway :'(
I've been trying to buy tickets online for any of the NYC shows, but for some :censored reason, it keeps popping up as being unavailable when there are clearly some seats still :censored available. Looks like, I'm not the only one with this problem. This might be my first and only chance of ever seeing them live, and the fact that unless I cave in some money for StubHub tickets (which I refuse to do), I'm heartbroken that I won't be seeing them even though I live in the NYC area. :'(
Yeah, I'm pretty damn upset. How does a 55 year-old prog band sell 5,000+ seats in 48 hours anyway?
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Nevermind, everything is sold out and the lowest ticket availabie is like $360. Even Stub hub is like $180 for the cheapest ticket. Whatever, didn't even want to see them anyway :'(
I've been trying to buy tickets online for any of the NYC shows, but for some :censored reason, it keeps popping up as being unavailable when there are clearly some seats still :censored available. Looks like, I'm not the only one with this problem. This might be my first and only chance of ever seeing them live, and the fact that unless I cave in some money for StubHub tickets (which I refuse to do), I'm heartbroken that I won't be seeing them even though I live in the NYC area. :'(
Yeah, I'm pretty damn upset. How does a 55 year-old prog band sell 5,000+ seats in 48 hours anyway?
55 year-old?! They've been around since 1959?! :facepalm: :lol :P
And are you sure they're offering the max number of seats for the show? Some places don't open all seating for a show, some sections may be closed off or unused for the show.
-Marc.
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Grr, 45. And I assume that the vast majority of seats are selling if they paid for 3 nights.
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There's a new NYC date added for Sunday 9/21, for those that couldn't get tickets!
https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=4681
I managed to get a ticket for the Saturday show in New York through the presale. Can't wait!
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This whole thing blows.
If Belew was still in the band, I could maybe justify paying $185 for a so so seat, just so I could see them at least once in my life-time, but Jakko is such an unknown quantity.
I like his work, but don't have a clue how he's going to sound singing KC's catalogue. I just don't know.
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There's a new NYC date added for Sunday 9/21, for those that couldn't get tickets!
https://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=4681
I managed to get a ticket for the Saturday show in New York through the presale. Can't wait!
OOOOOH GOTTA GET SOME CASH
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This whole thing blows.
If Belew was still in the band, I could maybe justify paying $185 for a so so seat, just so I could see them at least once in my life-time, but Jakko is such an unknown quantity.
I like his work, but don't have a clue how he's going to sound singing KC's catalogue. I just don't know.
Jakko toured with the 21st Century Schizoid Band, which focused on the first four King Crimson albums. You could probably track down some recordings to at least hear how he sounds on the early Crimson material.
As for Belew, I love his work with the band, but I'm excited about the new lineup. Apparently, they'll be focusing on reinterpreting the 70's material and Jakko is better suited for that music than Belew, IMO. Hopefully they'll also play new music/improv and we'll see a new studio album next year.
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King Crimson isn't about any one person and that includes Robert Fripp.
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Just got my B-row mezzanine seats for the Sunday show! Can't wait!!!
But I haven't got a penny to my name now. lol.
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I have no idea if this link will work, but it's a video a friend of mine shared on Facebook, shared by someone else. I cannot describe it. Well, I could, but that would spoil the surprise.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152559753027813 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152559753027813)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I guess the link worked. Heh heh.
Somehow it amuses me that 99% of the people there are just watching some weird musical group playing some weird tune, and two or three people are thinking "Is that... King Crimson? Holy shit, it is!"
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:rollin
Holy shit! :lol
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Cool!
If they can to that they should be able to launch into almost anything though.
For some reason, Crazy Train or The Trooper springs to mind.
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It looks like we have our first sample of new material from the new King Crimson lineup! It's apparently titled Venturing unto Joy pt 1. Has a very Larks vibe about it! I dig it! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI4LSgqOQmw
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Something is better than nothing I guess.
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Dear god it's happening.
I'm really digging it. Not mind-blowing, but if there's more to come, then bring it.
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Gavin + Tony + Robert = me spending money on new music. It could be all three of them farting into a mic for 80 minutes but by god, I will buy it.
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Jesus they have THREE drummers now? I'm all for Gavin and Pat Mastelotto together, but a third seems quite excessive.
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Jesus they have THREE drummers now? I'm all for Gavin and Pat Mastelotto together, but a third seems quite excessive.
Well, the way I see it, it covers all bases for the band's history of percussion. In the beginning, and through the Wetton and 80's eras, they had extra percussion for sound effects, extra layers, more cymbals and auxiliary stuff. In the 90's, they had double-drumming with two actual drummers doing drum beats and grooves to add to the insane multi-part, polymetric sound of King Crimson.
Now with THREE drummers, they can cover both, by utilizing two drummers major drum beats and grooves, with a third to do the extra stuff. I think it'll add quite a unique layer of intricate performance. Imagine, twelve limbs doing twelve things all at the same time!!!
-Marc.
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Well in the sample it sounds quite busy.
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King Crimson has always been about experimentation and pushing boundaries. When the "double trio" first came together, with two drummers, two guitars, and two bass/Stick players, I expected total cacaphony, but was instead amazed by how tight everything sounded, which was the exact opposite. Everything fit, nothing felt excessive or superfluous.
Fripp is a genius in pretty much all aspects of music, including structure and arrangement. Are three drummers "necessary"? Probably not. Can it work and sound awesome? Hell, yes!
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Personally, I don't think they have enough drummers.
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Anyone else remember these guys?
M'Boom - A band with eight percussionists and nothing else (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eV1vrmSC5k)
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Anyone else remember these guys?
M'Boom - A band with eight percussionists and nothing else (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eV1vrmSC5k)
Heard of this, but never experienced it.
The world needs more of it in my view.
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listened to a first press of Red last night and it was totally mindblowing. "Starless" is just insanely good and easily ranks right next to 21SM and TCOTKC for me!
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I'm really interested to see how they rearrange the music to take advantage of the three drummers...particularly in light of the fact that the drums will be considered the "front line", while the back line will be Fripp/Collins/Levin/Jakzvxgjkzxk. I can't imagine that B'boom/THRAK won't make an appearance; I also think it opens up the opportunity to revisit some early material (LTIA pt. 1? The Talking Drum/LTIA pt. II?).
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Robert Fripp launched a DGM Live youtube page. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBxEf1UWDjbIEoh2MAQR7zQ
The 3 minute drum solo is incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1JapuD0ikk
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Just got tickets to see KC.
$75 bucks for 14th row. Definitely a band I've been waiting a long time to see. :)
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You're going to one of the NYC shows? Which night?
Staying away from setlists has been a challenge...
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Philly show on saturday.
originally I wasn't even sure if I was going to go, since I really wanted to see Belew in the band, but at the same time, I've never once seen Robert Fripp perform and its been like 7 years since the last time he toured and with his age right now, this is probably my last opportunity, so I figured what the hell. It should be decent, and the price what right, so its all good.
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Belew is awesome for sure, but you've made the right decision. Just seeing Robert Fripp, especially with any version of King Crimson, will be well worth it. I can't imagine any King Crimson show not being amazing.
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You're going to one of the NYC shows? Which night?
Staying away from setlists has been a challenge...
I'm going to Sunday. I assure you the set I saw online was good, even if I'm familiar with a lot of the eras they were going for.
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I'm going Thursday (got my ticket about 20 minutes before the Sunday show was added).
I did bumble across a partial setlist, but probably only about half of the show, so still plenty of surprises. And it actually helps with knowing where to focus in the era that I never got into (everything prior to LTIA).
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Very sweet show. I'm very happy I went
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/FD104986-8130-4818-9955-361959305124_zpswc2a7cqe.jpg) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/FD104986-8130-4818-9955-361959305124_zpswc2a7cqe.jpg.html)
(https://www.portalesquizofrenia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/King-Crimson-2014.jpg)
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I forgot Gavin played with them. I did a double take when I saw the picture
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Duuude....
I'll not spoil anything for those attending the non-east coast show, but i nearly soiled myself a couple of times with their song choices.
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Duuude....
I'll not spoil anything for those attending the non-east coast show, but i nearly soiled myself a couple of times with their song choices.
Yeah, that was mental. And after I left, I had realized that I just experienced something very special.
Any fan of KC, or really any fan of music at all whatsoever, owes it to themselves to go catch this show. Its a once in a lifetime concert.
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29 hours :metal
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I flew to Boston to see the two shows there with a friend. I've seen KC a number of times since the ConstruKCtion of Light tour and these were no doubt the best I've ever seen. Without getting into spoilers there were so many great tracks that I've never seen before. So many of my favorites in there. From a lineup perspective Levin and the 3 drummers were the highlights. Loved the interlocking drumming. And I'm reminded why Gavin Harrison is one of my favorite drummers. I'm very glad I made the trip.
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At the venue waiting for the show to start....
So. Many. Instruments.
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Ok, that was a sick fucking show. :omg:
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Jelly is I.
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That was a brilliant show on the twenty-first. Except for the camera policy and how pretentiously it was conveyed.
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So, I've decided to get stuck in to some KC.
I've had ITCOTCK and Red for years and they both get pretty regular listens from me. I also got In the Wake of Poseidon quite a while back, and I liked it, but it didn't grab me as much as the other two, and my KC journey sort of stalled while other stuff took over.
I was listening to Court the other day though and decided I needed to come back to their music. I'm going to carry on working my way through chronologically, so I've now got my hands on Lizard and Islands.
Just coming to the end of my first listen of Lizard - not bad at all. Initial impression is that there's a similar balance to ITWOP in terms of stuff that sounds awesome and stuff that doesn't really grab me. The title track is a beast though, loving it!
What should I expect from Islands?
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I just hope some audio from the current tour shows up at the DGM website. I'm ready to hit the purchase button as soon as they come up live. I regret not being able to travel to watch this lineup.
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What should I expect from Islands?
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Islands is one of the most accessible of the early Crimson records, IMO. It's got a lot of the more orchestral tracks, similar to stuff like Lady of the Dancing Water.
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I'm glad you liked Lizard, it's definitely my favorite album of theirs. But I hate Islands, honestly - wait till you get to Larks tongue. :metal
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Islands is one of the most accessible of the early Crimson records, IMO. It's got a lot of the more orchestral tracks, similar to stuff like Lady of the Dancing Water.
But I hate Islands, honestly
Now I don't know what to think! :dangerwillrobinson:
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Islands was an album that I appreciated immediately on my first listen, but that got boring fast.
In contrast, I didn't like Larks Tongues on my first listen at all, although now I love it.
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really dislike ITWOP, Islands, and Lizard. absolutely nothing on them lives up to ITCOTCK, imo. they pursue the pastoral "I Talk to the Wind" approach so often that i am completely bored for most of each album!
that said, i do like some material from the three: "Formentera Lady," "Sailor's Tale," and "The Devil's Triangle" are pretty great.
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While I don't think ITWOP is on par with ITCOTCK, I think the title track is one of the most beautiful songs ever made.
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TLev confirmed that we'll be hearing from KC again in 2015! Not sure if tour or album, but either way... :omg: :tup :hefdaddy :millahhhh
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Frame by Frame is a fun song to sing along to in the car. Discipline and Three of a Perfect Pair are great records.
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So, I've decided to get stuck in to some KC.
I've had ITCOTCK and Red for years and they both get pretty regular listens from me. I also got In the Wake of Poseidon quite a while back, and I liked it, but it didn't grab me as much as the other two, and my KC journey sort of stalled while other stuff took over.
I was listening to Court the other day though and decided I needed to come back to their music. I'm going to carry on working my way through chronologically, so I've now got my hands on Lizard and Islands.
Just coming to the end of my first listen of Lizard - not bad at all. Initial impression is that there's a similar balance to ITWOP in terms of stuff that sounds awesome and stuff that doesn't really grab me. The title track is a beast though, loving it!
What should I expect from Islands?
I can't wait to hear your reaction to discipline, when you get up to it. I also went chronologically and was like WTF, but it has since become my favorite KC album.
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Ok, that was a sick fucking show. :omg:
I can imagine. That show was a casualty of budget cuts for me. I think I'll be seeing Crimson come around again before Flying Colors does.
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Grizzly had a little cam,
little cam,
little cam,
Grizzly had a little cam
Made back in '06.
He took it to KC one day
KC one day
KC one day
He took it to KC one day
Which was against the rule.
But he didn't care. If it's any consolation the screen imploded after this concert.
(https://i.imgur.com/e22R9Rd.png) (https://imgur.com/e22R9Rd)
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Update on my KC journey:
After a number of listens, I liked Lizard more and more. It's settled pretty nicely in my opinion, definitely one of my preferred KC albums so far, maybe on a part with Red but not as great as Court.
Islands I also think is a nice album, probably grabbed me more on my first listen but hasn't kept my attention so well as Lizard. As with Wake, there is some great stuff but stretches of the album don't do anything for me.
Larks' Tongues I've only listened to once so far, but nothing really stood out to me. I know it's one of their most revered albums, but very little in it really excited me. Only one listen though, so I'll continue to give it a chance.
I've also just listened to Starless for the first time, and am liking it a lot already. Definitely has a bit more energy and just feels a little more melodic than Larks's, particularly in the first half of the album. I'm digging the mix of melody and groove, that kinda reminds me of ITCOTCK, albeit quite different stylistically.
So, my ranking so far (very tentative in the case of the last two albums I've got):
1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. Lizard
=. Red
4. Starless and Bible Black (tentative)
5. In the Wake of Poseidon
=. Islands
7. Larks' Tongues in Aspic
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I think I'm alone in loving the song and album Lizard. Lizard the album is perfect, with 5 great songs in a row, including one of the top 5 songs of their career with the title track. The drumming part of Lizard that starts around 5 minutes is just beautiful. I love the main melody of that section. When it comes back around 10:00? Chills, every time. Just beautiful.
My only complaint with Lizard is that it should have ended around 11:00. It's such a climactic ending, they should have changed the sections around so that that was the conclusion. Always confused me.
1. Red (Sidenote: Starless is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. Possibly my favorite song)
2. Lizard
3. Court of the Crimson King
4. Discipline
5. Larks' Tongues in Aspic
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I also love lizard
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A bad King Crimson album has never been recorded.
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huge bump here, but the other night at work (I work stocking a grocery store over night and I'm allowed to listen to music while I work), I listened to the first 4 KC albums, I had heard ITCOTCK several times, but the other 3 blew me away just as much. I love the jazz influence the band had in these early records, and I found myself especially enjoying Lizard. Islands was a little weird though, lot of free/avant garde jazz influence there, but nonetheless still nice. Wake of Poseidon is probably the most consistent of the bunch tho, basically a more polished iteration of the first record.
Over all I'm really digging this band so far! Can't wait to hear more! :tup
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I fucking love The Power to Believe :metal :metal
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I fucking love The Power to Believe :metal :metal
Yes, great album! Crimso is the ONLY one of the British classic prog bands who played complex prog music throughout the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s. The only other band that comes to mind is Rush but they're not British :D
Anyway, I found The Power To Believe in a tiny record store in Nuremberg on VINYL a few months ago. It was sealed and I bought it for 18,95€. Once I checked at home if I made a good deal by buying it, I realized that that version DOESNT EXIST ANYWHERE :D I don't know where the shop got it from or for how much it could or used to go away.
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I rarely listen to King Crimson anymore, but The Power to Believe II is a song I never tire of. The whole album is really good, but that song is out of this world. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I fucking love The Power to Believe :metal :metal
Yes, great album! Crimso is the ONLY one of the British classic prog bands who played complex prog music throughout the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s. The only other band that comes to mind is Rush but they're not British :D
Anyway, I found The Power To Believe in a tiny record store in Nuremberg on VINYL a few months ago. It was sealed and I bought it for 18,95€. Once I checked at home if I made a good deal by buying it, I realized that that version DOESNT EXIST ANYWHERE :D I don't know where the shop got it from or for how much it could or used to go away.
That's because TPTB was never released on vinyl. They are all bootlegs. So many problems occurred because of this that Discogs will not let anyone sell their bootlegs of it anymore!
Love the album too. Most days I can't pick a favourite KC release, but on the days I can, it's TPTB.
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I rarely listen to King Crimson anymore, but The Power to Believe II is a song I never tire of. The whole album is really good, but that song is out of this world. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
That song is bliss. Gives me goosebumps every time and its one of my ver favorite KC songs.
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Starless and The Power to Believe II are really the only two KC songs I revisit much anymore. Oh, and the occasional full listen of Discipline. I still like other stuff, but I just don't have time for everything, and KC's weirdness is rarely something I am in the mood for. :lol
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
He's gotta give in at some point I suppose.
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
Yeah, Radical Action and the Heroes EP are also up on Apple Music. Hopefully all the 40th anniversary mixes will be made available.
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
Yeah, Radical Action and the Heroes EP are also up on Apple Music. Hopefully all the 40th anniversary mixes will be made available.
God I hope not.
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
Yeah, Radical Action and the Heroes EP are also up on Apple Music. Hopefully all the 40th anniversary mixes will be made available.
God I hope not.
Why would you not want that? Unless you're Fripp himself!
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That's some excellent news!
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
Yeah, Radical Action and the Heroes EP are also up on Apple Music. Hopefully all the 40th anniversary mixes will be made available.
God I hope not.
Why would you not want that? Unless you're Fripp himself!
Haha. I assume it was more of an "ew, original mixes only" reaction. Silly, imo – all of them improve the originals, I think. The original Islands mixes are hurting pretty bad in comparison, while the '80s albums are barely changed because it wasn't needed. The only one so far that sucks, again imo, is Thrak, which lost all of its power (when it was required) in Jakko's search for clarity and to make it fit with the older, more live-sounding albums.
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
Yeah, Radical Action and the Heroes EP are also up on Apple Music. Hopefully all the 40th anniversary mixes will be made available.
God I hope not.
Why would you not want that? Unless you're Fripp himself!
Haha. I assume it was more of an "ew, original mixes only" reaction. Silly, imo – all of them improve the originals, I think. The original Islands mixes are hurting pretty bad in comparison, while the '80s albums are barely changed because it wasn't needed. The only one so far that sucks, again imo, is Thrak, which lost all of its power (when it was required) in Jakko's search for clarity and to make it fit with the older, more live-sounding albums.
Haha, actually no. I'm not a fan of Spotify, and I love that Fripp has managed to keep his music away from it. I have lots of friends and colleagues whose music is on Spotify because their label had it put up there and apparently the musicians themselves have hardly seen a cent for it. Spotify is a curse for the music industry in my opinion.
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The music industry cursed itself when they started caring more about the singles than whole albums, and then when they started selling them online.
The truth is, King Crimson fans will still buy their things, I have all their albums in physical but I'd still love to have their music available in Spotify because it's where I listen to most of my music.
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Yeahhh, I've found myself in a lot of situations in the last year or so where I wanted to show friends KC, but have had a more difficult time because most people I know who are my age (I'm 20) and also big music listeners us Spotify primarily.
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Yup, even Steven Wilson recognized that while he doesn't like the format, it's the most common way of listening to music in today's and not being there means you are not reaching a lot of potentially new fans.
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I don't understand some of these opinions. If the industry focuses on albums or singles, the public will respond accordingly. The industry moved to "singles" (I take that to mean "individual tracks") and the public responded. If no one was interested in that, and no one bought the songs, they would have been back to albums in a heart beat. Look, I get it - you're talking to someone that has four mixes of Rainbow Rising, two versions of Whitesnake Slide It In, two versions of MSG Built To Destroy, two, maybe three versions of Bark at the Moon - music is more than just "here's the latest single from xyz!", but however people will listen. BELIEVE ME, I know Robert Fripp is an intelligent, aware man. I can't speak for his reasoning regarding Spotify, but I imagine he would take 10 sales of individual tracks over zero sales of an entire album, all day long.
Provided the artists still give the opportunity to buy album formats (and that seems to be largely the case, with some exceptions), not sure what the problem with iTunes, Spotify, etc. is. There's certainly no integrity with being on (or not being on) any particular platform. It's a business transaction.
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I think the two phenomena feed each other. There has always been a segment of the population that's just interested in singles. They hear a song they like, they want to hear it some more, so they buy it or download it or add it to a playlist or whatever people do these days. This does not necessarily mean that they want to get the whole album, CD, whatever. My wife has a huge box of 45's from back in the day; she was a "singles" person. I have boxes of albums; I was an album guy.
Anyway, the Internet, iTunes, and streaming services have made it even easier to acquire singles, so that segment of the market has grown. But the industry wouldn't have invested heavily into it if they didn't think there was a demand. Sure, clever marketing can "create" demand, make people want something they didn't even realize they wanted, but in this case it was always there. So the music industry invests, and people dig it even more. Dollars are exchanged, everyone's happy.
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And I think there's at least something to the fact that SOME artists got lazy with respect to the selected format. I have plenty of albums that I like a handful of songs on and it doesn't merit buying the whole thing. I'm blessed to now have enough disposable income that through eBay, pawnshops, and Discogs I can afford to buy things like soundtracks that have one or two songs I like. But like for my kid? I'm grateful that she can get exposed to the music she likes and be economically efficient in doing so (and no, don't assume it's all Tyler Swift and Ed Sheeran; she loves vintage Fleetwood Mac, Def Leppard, and Kiss).
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I totally get that. I think Fripp's case is similar to Steven Wilson and Pink Floyd, they feel like their album has to be listened as a whole because that's how they want people to experience their music. Both SW and PF have already recognized that Spotify, Itunes, etc is the new way people are listening to music and have accepted that it's better to be there and I expect Fripp will recognize that too.
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So there seems some King Crimson has been uploaded to Spotify, could this be the beginning of Fripp softening his grip? :o
Yeah, Radical Action and the Heroes EP are also up on Apple Music. Hopefully all the 40th anniversary mixes will be made available.
Heroes Ep showed up in the mail this week. Wife ordered it -- for herself -- and didn't tell me. Had I known, there would have been a few other things I'd have ordered from DGM Now that I think about it perhaps she knew that.
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Some of the North American presale tickets went up today.
Scored tickets in Austin today.
ELEPHANTTALK presale code.
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Anybody going to the show in Newark @ NJPAC on Halloween?
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Presale code for Dallas: TEMPO
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Anybody going to the show in Newark @ NJPAC on Halloween?
I wish. Seeing Roger Waters mean no King Crimson for me this year. I'll wait for the live recordings.
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According to the KC Facebook page, Adrian Belew is back in the band as the 9th member, although he won't be joining them on the upcoming tour.
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According to the KC Facebook page, Adrian Belew is back in the band as the 9th member
Hell yeah :metal
although he won't be joining them on the upcoming tour.
Oh no :'(
So I am guess a new album or something then? Otherwise, why bring him back into the band? This is confusing/exciting
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The tour starts next month so I doubt there's enough for him to learn the songs and be incorporated in the live show. I'm sure we'll get another tour next Spring/Summer with hopefully some more 80's-era material, which will be very interesting with 9 people.
Now if only they could get Bill Bruford to come out of retirement ;D
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The tour starts next month so I doubt there's enough for him to learn the songs and be incorporated in the live show. I'm sure we'll get another tour next Spring/Summer with hopefully some more 80's-era material, which will be very interesting with 9 people.
I will be front row and center for that tour, if and when it eventually comes :metal
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Damn. 1st set in Austin just ended and its freaking amazing. Not a fan of the 70s era but lineup hits it out of the ballpark. 2nd set in a few minutes.
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I'm still waiting for them to announce a South American tour. I've read there have been negotiations in Chile for a couple of shows in December and that they were waiting to finalize things in other countries. I'd love to see these guys before they retire
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Unbelievable show. Gavin is a freak on drums. Fripp was behind Gavin and there were times were you could see Fripp smiling just watching him play. Fripp seemed in avery good mood. A couple of times he pointed at the audience because someone was taking pictures. That was kind of funny. The mix was great. I was really curious to see how 3 drummers would have space for playing but it works perfectly.
And I was also surprised by the heavyness on some songs. Jakko and Fripp's guitars were on the heavy side and the material sounded marvelous.
If KC is in the vicinity, go and check them out. It was a blast seeing this lineup.
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Okay so I saw this band for the first time tonight. I'm familiar with them being regarded as one of the upper echilon progressive rock bands, but never got around to getting into them. Only was familiar with maybe 3 or so songs.
Unbelievable performance. Fripp is a God. And GAVIN WAS THERE. Being a big Porcupine Tree fan (and never seen them live before), this was cool. The audio and balance was insanely good. Despite not knowing a lot of the songs, the whole performance was still so extremely entertaining. I feel very fortunate to have seen them. It almost feels like a spell has been put on me
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I have a hard time ordering tickets for the German (or Austrian) shows. I can only find some Royal tickets and stuff. I want a normal ticket :D :D Not a 300 meet and greet where in the end I won't meet Robert anyway :D
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but let's have another go. What is everyone's favorite Era/line up of king crimson?
Mine is without a doubt Early 80's KC. Fripp, Levin, Bruford, Belew. All world class musicians, a very tight 4 person line up, awesome synth sound. I just love it.
How about you guys?
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I would say Fripp-Bufford-Wetton-Cross-Muir which ended up being just Fripp-Bufford-Wetton. The 80s formation is a close second but I think the 3 albums (Larks through Red) are probably the best run they had.
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I would say Fripp-Bufford-Wetton-Cross-Muir which ended up being just Fripp-Bufford-Wetton. The 80s formation is a close second but I think the 3 albums (Larks through Red) are probably the best run they had.
I'm probably going with this answer as well. The line up on the debut is also fantastic.
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The 70's band with Wetton and Bruford was my favorite for a long time, largely on the strength of Red and USA. When I dug into some of the earlier studio stuff by the same band (Starless and Bible Black, Lark's Tongues in Aspic) I found it a bit jarring. Rather different sometimes, and overall less consistent.
I always thought the early 80's band with Belew, Levin, and Bruford was incredibly consistent and amazing, but I had some trouble with it. And it's for admittedly stupid reasons reasons: It didn't sound like King Crimson to me. I grew up with King Crimson. King Crimson has one guitar: Robert Fripp. But Belew is incredible and quickly won me over. It helped that I was already familiar with him because of his work with Zappa.
I find myself reaching for the 80's stuff more than the 70's stuff nowadays. Their three-album run (Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair) beats out the three albums by the Wetton band, though just barely. It depends on my mood, too, but the 80's stuff is more consistent to me.
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Wetton era (no Muir, but with Cross) wins for me too, just on their improvisation alone. A lot of their improvs are the highlights of the shows, along with how incredible their Starless was, and some other gems of the period like Doctor Diamond and how often they played Exiles. No other group of musicians could possibly come up with Asbury Park or Voyage to the Centre of the Cosmos.
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Asbury Park is fucking amazing. I completely forgot about the live improv side of that band.
My revised favorites are the 70's Wetton lineup for live stuff, and the 80's Belew lineup for studio stuff.
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Not that they are a vocal band, but the eras with Greg Lake and John Wetton are more my speed; musically, they are - along with the post-Thrak material - beefier. I like the heavy Crimson. While beautiful (Discipline is one of the best sounding disks in my not inconsequential collection), there are moments that are a bit light for me.
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Love every era. Gateway was the Levin-Bruford years and it just exploded from there.
Least favorite is probably the current lineup.
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I'd say these guys do a pretty damn good job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBikXgH-MUg
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I'd say these guys do a pretty damn good job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBikXgH-MUg
Wow this is freaking accurate!!! I think I have never heard a version of this song that was so close to the original (except for the keyboard solo of course) ;)
But what a shame that this video has 61 clicks and there didn't seem to be too many people watching.
Great version nevertheless.
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I'd say these guys do a pretty damn good job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBikXgH-MUg
On that song they do.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/king-crimson-albums-streaming-spotify-818686/amp/
Looks like the King Crimson discography is finally coming to streaming!
I think finally having all of their albums readily accessible to the majority of people will be good for the band in the long run. I understand the commitment to stay physical, but in the current day it's simply no longer feasible.
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It's official. As of today, all of King Crimson's studio albums are available on Spotify! :woot:
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on that note are there any specific KC albums worth checking out? i have both ItCotCK and Red and prefer the latter by a decent margin, so
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on that note are there any specific KC albums worth checking out? i have both ItCotCK and Red and prefer the latter by a decent margin, so
if you like Red, then you'll most likely like Larks' Tounges In Aspic, Starless And Bible Black, THRAK, The Construkction Of Light and The Power To Believe as well.
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Yeah, the style between the John Wetton-fronted albums is fairly consistent, so I'd recommend the other two of those (Larks' Tongues In Aspic & Starless and Bible Black). S&BB has probably the most improv of all their albums though, so if you found Providence to be the weakest part of Red, you may not like that one as a sum of all its parts.
(by the way, idk when you changed it, but I really love the art style of your new profile pic. did you draw that yourself?)
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Start with "The Power to believe" and "THRAK". They are modern and easier to digest nowadays.
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If you like Red, then definitely check out Larks' Tongues in Aspic and Starless and Bible Black which preceded it. U.S.A. is the official live release from this era, but there has been a lot of archival stuff released in recent years, though I don't know how much would be on Spotify.
The 80's stuff with Adrian Belew is different but pretty cool if you like Belew and/or Tony Levin. Bruford is in that band too, and it's a given that any King Crimson album with Bill Bruford should at least be checked out. Start with Discipline, then maybe Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair if you like Discipline.
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KC is all over the place. I can't even remember my progression and I don't even know how to describe them, lol
If I had to do it all again I would say the following are essential for me:
Power to believe
Red
Discipline
Larks tongue
In the court of the crimson king
After that I would get
Beat
Lizard
Thrak
Wake of poseidon
After that, I filled in the rest but don't really listen to them:
Islands
Starless and bible black
Three of a perfect pair
Scarcity of miracles
Construction of light
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Honestly, I'd start with The Court and work my way through chronologically, so you can appreciate the changes and different line-ups the band went through.
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I'd recommend getting the debut, Larks Tongues in Aspic, Red, Discipline and The Power to Believe, and you are set.
And avoid the three albums from 1970-1971.
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It's official. As of today, all of King Crimson's studio albums are available on Spotify! :woot:
Been waiting for this for so long. Time to get my Crimson on :hat
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It's official. As of today, all of King Crimson's studio albums are available on Spotify! :woot:
Been waiting for this for so long. Time to get my Crimson on :hat
I want to hear this as you go through. It's fascinating, and I'm sure you know already, but I'll tell you anyway: I don't think there's a band out there that has so many distinct styles and vibes. "ITCOTKC" is NOTHING like "Lizard", is NOTHING like "Red" is NOTHING like "Beat" is NOTHING like "The Power To Believe". Yeah, Fripp is a constant, but Beat and Lizard... you wouldn't guess they were the same band in a million years.
Oh, by the way, for the previous recommendations, don't forget the live set "The Night Watch"; it's actually the source material for a good chuck of "Starless" (they took the live improv and fashioned it into a series of songs, basically) and it's pretty essential.
EDIT: If you're into the whole surround sound thing, the Crimson 5.1 remixes are simply put, in my opinion, the best in the industry. And in my view, even though it's not even a top five Crimson record for me, "Indiscipline" may be the best SOUNDING CD in my collection (now about 1,600 CDs).
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I'm tempted. All I know from King Crimson is two things. I rented whatever album Elephant Talk is on from the library and it fucking blew.
And DT's cover of Lark Tongues. I mean, what is the point of that? It goes absolutely nowhere.
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Yeah, the style between the John Wetton-fronted albums is fairly consistent, so I'd recommend the other two of those (Larks' Tongues In Aspic & Starless and Bible Black). S&BB has probably the most improv of all their albums though, so if you found Providence to be the weakest part of Red, you may not like that one as a sum of all its parts.
(by the way, idk when you changed it, but I really love the art style of your new profile pic. did you draw that yourself?)
yeah i'll start there then!
and a friend of mine did the sketch randomly one day, i threw on the colors
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I want to hear this as you go through. It's fascinating, and I'm sure you know already, but I'll tell you anyway: I don't think there's a band out there that has so many distinct styles and vibes. "ITCOTKC" is NOTHING like "Lizard", is NOTHING like "Red" is NOTHING like "Beat" is NOTHING like "The Power To Believe". Yeah, Fripp is a constant, but Beat and Lizard... you wouldn't guess they were the same band in a million years.
I agree with this statement 100%. There are 3 specific eras (4 if you count the current KC incarnation) of KC. This is what I admire about Fripp...he had the balls to call it quits when he felt he wasn't evolving as a player (or the KC band/musicians for that matter) or if he couldn't accomplish the vision he had for KC. Then he went to teaching (Guitar Circle) and exploring his playing, then he started KC again...then quit again...etc. I truly admire this about Fripp.
My personal favorite is The Power To Believe because it was the first one. Hated it the 1st time I heard it. Went to a Circuit City based on a recommendation from the MP forum. Absolutely couldn't get into it. Then a month later I played it again, and holy balls batman. Wonderful experience.
1 - Power To Believe
2 - Discipline
3 - Thrak
4 - Everything else from 80's, 90's and 2000's
5 - 70s era (this is the only era I really have a hard time digesting it). I really need to start listening to this era again (specially the 40th anniversary remixes). Just don't know what turns me off about 70s Crimson.
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It's official. As of today, all of King Crimson's studio albums are available on Spotify! :woot:
Been waiting for this for so long. Time to get my Crimson on :hat
I want to hear this as you go through. It's fascinating, and I'm sure you know already, but I'll tell you anyway: I don't think there's a band out there that has so many distinct styles and vibes. "ITCOTKC" is NOTHING like "Lizard", is NOTHING like "Red" is NOTHING like "Beat" is NOTHING like "The Power To Believe". Yeah, Fripp is a constant, but Beat and Lizard... you wouldn't guess they were the same band in a million years.
Oh, by the way, for the previous recommendations, don't forget the live set "The Night Watch"; it's actually the source material for a good chuck of "Starless" (they took the live improv and fashioned it into a series of songs, basically) and it's pretty essential.
EDIT: If you're into the whole surround sound thing, the Crimson 5.1 remixes are simply put, in my opinion, the best in the industry. And in my view, even though it's not even a top five Crimson record for me, "Indiscipline" may be the best SOUNDING CD in my collection (now about 1,600 CDs).
Your excitement is palpable. I'm just having fun, but I'm imagining this post preceded by you running towards the thread screaming, "Wait! WAIT! You must know something first!" :)
I'll be sure to share thoughts when I get through a few albums.
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I'm tempted. All I know from King Crimson is two things. I rented whatever album Elephant Talk is on from the library and it fucking blew.
And DT's cover of Lark Tongues. I mean, what is the point of that? It goes absolutely nowhere.
Elephant Talk is from Discipline. It's like the Power Windows/GUP of the Crimson catalogue.
If you haven't heard Red, give that a try. If that doesn't do it, I have a Tesla Anthology you might like. ;)
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KC have evolved so much throughout the years that I'd be skeptical of any prog fan who claimed to not like at least one of their studio albums. And now with all of them being on Apple Music and Spotify there's really no excuse to not check them out. Time to marathon their discog for the nth time.
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Imagine judging KC based on Elephant Talk.
Edit: Ok he listened to the whole album, but that’s like their goofiest album. I love it though.
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I'm listening to Discipline right now for the first time and man is the studio recording of Indiscipline underwhelming or what. Live recordings I've heard are exciting, but that one felt like Adrian was reading the lyrics from a lyric sheet. And it's so much shorter. That song really comes into life when played life.
Otherwise I'm really liking this.
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Done!
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
Next??
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Oof. If that's all you can say about Starless then I'm afraid there's no saving you. :lol
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I'm listening to Discipline right now for the first time and man is the studio recording of Indiscipline underwhelming or what. Live recordings I've heard are exciting, but that one felt like Adrian was reading the lyrics from a lyric sheet. And it's so much shorter. That song really comes into life when played life.
Otherwise I'm really liking this.
The “problem” with King Crimson is that you will deal with two different bands: live and studio. It doesn’t matter who is in the band. My recommendation is to listen to a studio album and then misten to a live recording. So much stuff is added that the live song becomes an almost different one compared to the studio version of the same song.
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
excuse me but what the fuck
(ok, I'm a hypocrite because my first reaction to Red was also negative for some reason, but still, wtf)
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
excuse me but what the fuck
This sums up my thoughts perfectly. You can't just say "it isn't good". Starless is considered one of the central masterpieces of 70s progressive rock. Oh, but if Tac in DTF says it's not good, then it can't be good! At least explain why YOU think it's not good.
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I'd even go a step further and call Starless one of the greatest opuses in rock music, and certainly one of the finest closers to any album, period.
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I'd even go a step further and call Starless one of the greatest opuses in rock music, and certainly one of the finest closers to any album, period.
I would definiteley agree...
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Starless was the perfect conclusion to that era of the band. It's essentially the climax of the band's 70s career, and wraps everything up perfectly.
Semi-tangent: It's still surprising to me that they kept the name from Discipline onwards. It's clearly not the same style of music, it only shares two of four band members, it was released seven damn years after Red, and from my understanding they never played much of their old stuff live during that era. It's still a fantastic album, but it's not King Crimson goddamnit. :lol
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Starless was the perfect conclusion to that era of the band. It's essentially the climax of the band's 70s career, and wraps everything up perfectly.
Semi-tangent: It's still surprising to me that they kept the name from Discipline onwards. It's clearly not the same style of music, it only shares two of four band members, it was released seven damn years after Red, and from my understanding they never played much of their old stuff live during that era. It's still a fantastic album, but it's not King Crimson goddamnit. :lol
Fripp wanted to use the name (for reasons you outlined already) but changed his mind at the last minute IIRC
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Done!
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
Next??
Go with In the Court of the Crimson King, you'll find it quite fun I think :P
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Starless was the perfect conclusion to that era of the band. It's essentially the climax of the band's 70s career, and wraps everything up perfectly.
100%.
Concerning keeping the name King Crimson, I get it. Wether Robert wants to admit it or not, King Crimson is a big name and fans will always buy their shit and this will bring more money. Plus:
It's clearly not the same style of music,
Lizard is also not the same style of music as Red and The Court. Islands is completely different than Lark's Tongues. Starless & Bible Black is completely different than Poseidon. KC is all about change for me. Exploring new genres and new lineups.
it only shares two of four band members
Other than Robert, I think (correct me if I'm wrong please) there is no-one playing on Lark's, Starless and Red that played on Court, Poseidon, Lizard. Islands was also a completely different lineup (apart from Sinfield)
from my understanding they never played much of their old stuff live during that era.
I think they always focussed on their current material. Even in 1973/74, they didn't play that much from Court, and nothing from Poseidon, Lizard and Islands.
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Done!
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
Next??
For Crimson, there really isn't a next... wait, one song: Give Fracture, from "Starless and Bible Black", the album before Red, a try, if you please. Fripp claims it to be his masterpiece, but if you don't like Red, the song, and OMRN and S are "ok", maybe Crimson isn't for you. I actually get it; Crimson is very much a mood band for me. I have all their albums - I even like the stuff that's getting slagged here, like Lizard and Islands - but I have to be in the right mood. I rarely, if ever, sit down and say "Hmm, I'm going to listen to "Red" today!".
(By the way, that's EXACTLY what "Providence" is. It was an impromptu jam/improv recorded in Providence, Rhode Island in '74, and edited for the record.)
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Starless was the perfect conclusion to that era of the band. It's essentially the climax of the band's 70s career, and wraps everything up perfectly.
Semi-tangent: It's still surprising to me that they kept the name from Discipline onwards. It's clearly not the same style of music, it only shares two of four band members, it was released seven damn years after Red, and from my understanding they never played much of their old stuff live during that era. It's still a fantastic album, but it's not King Crimson goddamnit. :lol
Well, I guess it's up to you if you beleive him or not but to give Fripp credit, since about mid-1973 or so, he's been stunningly consistent in his assessment of King Crimson. It's not about him, personally (though he's been on all the recorded output to date, only man to make that claim) but rather a "way of doing things". He makes music in and out of Crimson, with artists who have been in and out of Crimson, but when they get together, it seems to take on a life of it's own.
I know this might sound condescending, but I don't (at all) mean it that way, but this only becomes clear when seeing them live. It's very much a performance, not a concert (which is why, I believe, they DON'T play a lot of older material). Very heavily improv driven, and very much in the moment.
Interesting story: I saw them in November '95 in New Haven (Palace Theater). At the time the big buzz was that the Beatles were going to release a new song - Paul! George! Ringo! John on tape! - and Adrian Belew (noted for his sense of humor) came out for his solo set and proclaimed that he had the song and was going to play it for us. And he did this beautiful, voice and guitar version of a song that had the lyrics "Free... free as a bird" and we laughed and clapped. Two weeks later, in December, the big reveal, and son of a bitch if it wasn't the exact song. (I actually have a tape of that show; I met Sean Lennon not long ago at the Palace before their show - they cover King Crimson in their set - and I got scared and didn't mention that. I should have.)
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
excuse me but what the fuck
This sums up my thoughts perfectly. You can't just say "it isn't good". Starless is considered one of the central masterpieces of 70s progressive rock. Oh, but if Tac in DTF says it's not good, then it can't be good! At least explain why YOU think it's not good.
Yikes bro!
It was just one listen. The only part I really liked was the outdo. The rest seemed like mindless noodling/jamming. I’ll give it another spin tonight so hopefully it’ll feel a bit more cohesive.
I also said it wasn’t bad. :P
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If you haven't heard Red, give that a try.
Red- Fucking monotonous. What's the point?
Fallen Angel-OK
One More Red Nightmare-Somewhat interesting
Providence-WTF is this? Sounds like kids making noise in their parents' basement.
Starless-I mean, this isn't too bad. It isn't too good, either. Last 50 seconds is nice though.
excuse me but what the fuck
This sums up my thoughts perfectly. You can't just say "it isn't good". Starless is considered one of the central masterpieces of 70s progressive rock. Oh, but if Tac in DTF says it's not good, then it can't be good! At least explain why YOU think it's not good.
Yikes bro!
It was just one listen. The only part I really liked was the outdo. The rest seemed like mindless noodling/jamming. I’ll give it another spin tonight so hopefully it’ll feel a bit more cohesive.
I also said it wasn’t bad. :P
TAC, stand your ground; I'm a Crimson fan, and if there's any criticism about Crimson, it's that they noodle. There is a box set associated with Starless and Bible Black that is like 29 disks, and has something like 16 or 17 shows from that tour. Likewise for Red. There is a LOT of fucking noodling on those 29 disks.
I happen to like some of it - pretty much where the noodling and the composition collide is their sweetspot, in my opinion - but if it's not your thing, then so be it.
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Count me in as another KC fan that thinks their noodling can occasionally go too far.
It's fantastic that the albums are on Spotify now. I spent the day at work shuffling through Discipline and Beat, I truly had a good time.
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This sums up my thoughts perfectly. You can't just say "it isn't good". Starless is considered one of the central masterpieces of 70s progressive rock. Oh, but if Tac in DTF says it's not good, then it can't be good! At least explain why YOU think it's not good.
OK Fritzanger ;D..
I gave Starless another listen tonight. It did make a little more sense. The actual song part with vocals was OK. The middle instrumental part, seriously, I don't know what the point is. It just sounds like some kids jamming instead of a well written musical piece.
But that last minute is absolutely glorious.
Go with In the Court of the Crimson King, you'll find it quite fun I think :P
I'm on it.
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OK..Just made it through In The Court Of The Crimson King.
21st Century Schizoid Man-Seriously, I did not care for this at all. Noise!
I Talk To The Wind-shrug.
Epitaph-This is really nice. I like it.
Moonchild- No point whatsoever.
Title Track-Excellent!!
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I saw TAC on the "last post" in the thread menu and just knew there would be some action in here :lol
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I saw TAC on the "last post" in the thread menu and just knew there would be some action in here :lol
:lol
It seems to be following me lately! :lol
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It's clearly not the same style of music,
Lizard is also not the same style of music as Red and The Court. Islands is completely different than Lark's Tongues. Starless & Bible Black is completely different than Poseidon. KC is all about change for me. Exploring new genres and new lineups.
I don't think the change between the first 7 albums was really all that drastic. They are quite various, but it feels to me like a natural progression to me, whereas Discipline is like a sharp 90 degree turn with zero foreshadowing. There's nothing that sounds really "Crimson-y" about it, which is why I can forgive the inconsistencies in the older albums.
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The middle instrumental part, seriously, I don't know what the point is. It just sounds like some kids jamming instead of a well written musical piece.
Yeah, it's almost like KC is influenced by improv jazz or something. :P
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This sums up my thoughts perfectly. You can't just say "it isn't good". Starless is considered one of the central masterpieces of 70s progressive rock. Oh, but if Tac in DTF says it's not good, then it can't be good! At least explain why YOU think it's not good.
OK Fritzanger ;D..
I gave Starless another listen tonight. It did make a little more sense. The actual song part with vocals was OK. The middle instrumental part, seriously, I don't know what the point is. It just sounds like some kids jamming instead of a well written musical piece.
But that last minute is absolutely glorious.
Go with In the Court of the Crimson King, you'll find it quite fun I think :P
I'm on it.
Sorry Tac, I didn't mean to sound angry or disrespectful... :'(
I think the middle part of Starless is amazing. It builds up suspense from "eery and creepy" up to "absolutely insane" - this build-up is unmatched in my opinion. The guitar "solo" provides lots of space for Bill Bruford to construct his percussion around it.
And the finale has one of the strongest bass parts I know. Mr. Wetton tortures his bass strings.
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TAC has every right to say something sucks. Even when it's actually brilliant. ;D
The instrumental section Starless can get too much when I'm not in the right mood for it, but the rest of the song is absolutely brilliant. The title track, however, is perfect as it is. None of it is unnecessary or dragged out, each part serves a purpose.
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OK..Just made it through In The Court Of The Crimson King.
21st Century Schizoid Man-Seriously, I did not care for this at all. Noise!
I Talk To The Wind-shrug.
Epitaph-This is really nice. I like it.
Moonchild- No point whatsoever.
Title Track-Excellent!!
I don't know any of you are fans of either musician, but I saw Claypool Lennon Delirium in New Haven a couple weeks ago, and they did a cover of The Court Of The Crimson King, and it was STELLAR. May be the song of the night (and it was a very good show). Really, really good. There are versions on YooToob, and they put out a studio version on a vinyl-only EP between albums.
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I have been listening to the often forgotten and underrated ISLANDS. I love this album, with its pastoral, quiet atmosphere and the beautiful lyrics by Sinfield. It's occupying my turn table for quite a few days now and it doesn't get boring. In my opinion, it even captures the atmosphere and characteristics of Postrock and Talk Talk's Spirit Of Eden. Only 2 years after the monumental debut album, Fripp managed to reinvent himself for the third time.
"Beneath the wind turned wave
Infinite peace
Islands join hands
'Neathe heaven's sea."
Beautiful..
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Sorry Tac, I didn't mean to sound angry or disrespectful... :'(
I think the middle part of Starless is amazing. It builds up suspense from "eery and creepy" up to "absolutely insane" - this build-up is unmatched in my opinion. The guitar "solo" provides lots of space for Bill Bruford to construct his percussion around it.
And the finale has one of the strongest bass parts I know. Mr. Wetton tortures his bass strings.
No worries at all. I'm the one who came in here and kicked up some dust. :lol
But I am giving these listens with a totally open mind. I am only posting my thoughts really to spur discussion, but honestly, it gives you guys a chance to tell me what you like. With them on Spotify, I';; be checking them out.
In a Metal/Hard Rock guy. I am not a loopy noodling 70's rock dude. But I am eager to experience some KC.
TAC has every right to say something sucks. Even when it's actually brilliant. ;D
I never said it sucked!! :P
Seriously, I think the middle section is indeed something that could click with me with subsequent listens. I haven't in any way closed the book on it.
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I mean, difference in tastes and all that I suppose. I just don't agree with the idea that anything even mildly free improv is just "noodling" and "noise". Songs with such structures aren't meant to be conventionally structured in a way where there is a definitive beginning middle and end, or verse-choruse-verse-bridge-solo, what have you. They are conceived and meant to be experienced very much in the moment, and focus more on atmosphere and suspense as is the case with Starless. Like seriously, the way it continues to build from the middle section onward is just insane, it's basically a precursor to what post-rock would be doing decades later.
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I mean, difference in tastes and all that I suppose. I just don't agree with the idea that anything even mildly free improv is just "noodling" and "noise". Songs with such structures aren't meant to be conventionally structured in a way where there is a definitive beginning middle and end, or verse-choruse-verse-bridge-solo, what have you. They are conceived and meant to be experienced very much in the moment, and focus more on atmosphere and suspense as is the case with Starless. Like seriously, the way it continues to build from the middle section onward is just insane, it's basically a precursor to what post-rock would be doing decades later.
I didn't know what other words to use.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to antagonize you for your opinions on some of their stuff, I myself am not of fan of everything they've done and I don't feel as though all of their improv compositions pan out 100% for me (main example I can think of being some bits of the first half or so of Providence).
I guess cause many people use the phrase "noodling" specifically to mean something directionless in a very negative way, but I understand now you may not have meant it that way.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to antagonize you for your opinions on some of their stuff, I myself am not of fan of everything they've done and I don't feel as though all of their improv compositions pan out 100% for me (main example I can think of being some bits of the first half or so of Providence).
I guess cause many people use the phrase "noodling" specifically to mean something directionless in a very negative way, but I understand now you may not have meant it that way.
No antagonizing taken. :)
I don't mean noodling as a negative. I mean, I don't love noodling, but it was really the only adjective that I could think of to describe it.
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Picked up the final(?) two 40th Anniversary reissues today. I didn't know the Construkction of Light's reissue was a re-recording. Now I don't know if I want to put it in my digital library as the 2000 album with the old art or as a 2019 album with the new name/art (I really like the new artwork). I suppose if I ever find a used copy of the original I'll pick it up and distinguish them then.
I'd like to get reissues like this for the Projekt stuff like Space Groove and Heaven and Earth. Just to have all the studio stuff.
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Picked up the final(?) two 40th Anniversary reissues today. I didn't know the Construkction of Light's reissue was a re-recording. Now I don't know if I want to put it in my digital library as the 2000 album with the old art or as a 2019 album with the new name/art (I really like the new artwork). I suppose if I ever find a used copy of the original I'll pick it up and distinguish them then.
I'd like to get reissues like this for the Projekt stuff like Space Groove and Heaven and Earth. Just to have all the studio stuff.
I didn't know there was such a thing! When was this released? I hope we will get Construkction, THRAK and Power To Believe on (official) vinyl during the whole re-release process.
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Now that you mention it, the streaming version of Sleepless sounds completely different from my CD copy. I have a CD of TOAPP (which seems to be from 1984, since it has instructions on how to use a CD :lol) and its version of Sleepless has a longer intro and the synths are far more prominent in the mix. According to Spotify it's the "Bob Clearmountain Mix", but it must have been included on the album in some issues. Weird... :huh:
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I didn't know there was such a thing! When was this released? I hope we will get Construkction, THRAK and Power To Believe on (official) vinyl during the whole re-release process.
I'm assuming yesterday, that's the first time I saw TCoL (or, REconstruktion now) and TPtB at the record store. I think they did some massive 24-disc release for these two albums that had a BUNCH of musical content in it, but I didn't really look into that.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Hx37TWwAA2O1j.png:large)
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Quite a nice collection you got there! ;)
I wonder why Construkction ist the only one they re-released with a new cover. Yeah, it IS the worst King Crimson cover (in my opinion), but Robert is usually very careful with changing things like that, isn't he? It seems he usually has a lot of respect for the original, so does Steven Wilson.
Still, I really hope for a vinyl release. Does anyone know in which order/with which time difference the last albums were re-released on CD and vinyl? I think it was always first the CD and then the vinyl after some time, but I could be wrong.
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Quite a nice collection you got there! ;)
I wonder why Construkction ist the only one they re-released with a new cover. Yeah, it IS the worst King Crimson cover (in my opinion), but Robert is usually very careful with changing things like that, isn't he? It seems he usually has a lot of respect for the original, so does Steven Wilson.
Still, I really hope for a vinyl release. Does anyone know in which order/with which time difference the last albums were re-released on CD and vinyl? I think it was always first the CD and then the vinyl after some time, but I could be wrong.
Apparently they lost some of the original audio, and I've read that Fripp really disliked the album, so this "remaster" is actually a complete rerecording of the album with the current line-up, hence the cover change.
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Beware that the DVD of Reconstruction is glitched. Some tracks are sped up by 10%, changing the pitch of the music.
The Reconstruction CD is fine. Only the Reconstruction DVD is broken.
However, in the 150€ boxset several discs are faulty and the label doesn't intend to fix them :censored
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Is the album actually good this time? :hat
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Quite a nice collection you got there! ;)
I wonder why Construkction ist the only one they re-released with a new cover. Yeah, it IS the worst King Crimson cover (in my opinion), but Robert is usually very careful with changing things like that, isn't he? It seems he usually has a lot of respect for the original, so does Steven Wilson.
Still, I really hope for a vinyl release. Does anyone know in which order/with which time difference the last albums were re-released on CD and vinyl? I think it was always first the CD and then the vinyl after some time, but I could be wrong.
Apparently they lost some of the original audio, and I've read that Fripp really disliked the album, so this "remaster" is actually a complete rerecording of the album with the current line-up, hence the cover change.
https://burningshed.com/king-crimson_the-reconstrukction-of-light_cd_dvda
Only the drums were rerecorded, which I think it turns out being excellent, since my only dislike on that album were the electronic drums.
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Only the drums were rerecorded, which I think it turns out being excellent, since my only dislike on that album were the electronic drums.
Thanks for clarifying! I was getting my info from the wiki page. :lol
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Beware that the DVD of Reconstruction is glitched. Some tracks are sped up by 10%, changing the pitch of the music.
The Reconstruction CD is fine. Only the Reconstruction DVD is broken.
However, in the 150€ boxset several discs are faulty and the label doesn't intend to fix them :censored
Where did you buy the CD/DVD from? Not that it matters much but maybe KC used a different pressing plant for Europe and US?
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I actually like that album better than its predecessor and successor. Prozakc blues, Into the frying pan, I have a dream and the second part of the title track are amazing.
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Beware that the DVD of Reconstruction is glitched. Some tracks are sped up by 10%, changing the pitch of the music.
The Reconstruction CD is fine. Only the Reconstruction DVD is broken.
However, in the 150€ boxset several discs are faulty and the label doesn't intend to fix them :censored
Where did you buy the CD/DVD from? Not that it matters much but maybe KC used a different pressing plant for Europe and US?
I ordered on Amazon in Europe, but my copy ist still ubderway. Just repeating what I read on other sites to warn people.
Here is the press release: https://www.dgmlive.com/news/Heaven_and_earth
I don't like how they call the 9% speedup "slightly different". That's a major defect IMO.
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Seems like it's "isolated" to the boxset
"It has come to our attention that a small amount of the material that was added to the Blu-Ray and DVD-A discs on the Heaven and Earth Boxed Set is playing at a slightly incorrect speed."
I guess the CD/DVDA only versions (the 2-disc set) is ok?
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I will check my CD/DVDA when it arrives and report back. But I expect it to be sped up as well.
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Yes, the album "Heaven and Earth" in the DVDA is sped up.
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I think it's awesome there's been all of the discussion about King Crimson.
It is because they're now on Spotify or the 50th anniversary tour or both?
Seeing them in September as I've not caught this lineup yet and it could be the final time I'll have the chance. I expect it to be different than other 6 times I've seen them over the years. They're flat out amazing live.
Great to see people getting into them.
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I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.
Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!
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If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1. I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).
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If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1. I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).
What's a snub?
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If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1. I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).
What's a snub?
Being unjustly ignored or rejected. If you walk up to me and say "Hi Stadler", and put out your hand to shake mine, and I look at you, turn and walk away, I've "snubbed" you. Rush was "snubbed" for many years by the RnRHoF (at least in the view of their rabid fanbase).
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If I've said this before I apologize, but currently on my list of biggest RnRHoF snubs, Robert Fripp and Phil Collins are tied at number 1. I can't even think of a number two (maybe Dio, maybe ELP).
What's a snub?
Being unjustly ignored or rejected. If you walk up to me and say "Hi Stadler", and put out your hand to shake mine, and I look at you, turn and walk away, I've "snubbed" you. Rush was "snubbed" for many years by the RnRHoF (at least in the view of their rabid fanbase).
Thanks!
But wasn't Phil Collins introduced with Genesis? Or do you mean he should also be included as a solo artist?
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He was inducted with Genesis - as was Peter Gabriel - but unlike Peter, he has not been inducted as a solo artist. He is one of only three artists to have sold 100 million records as a member of a group and as a solo performer. Both others - Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney - are in as both group members and solo artists.
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I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.
Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!
Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.
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I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.
Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!
Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.
Could this really just be because of Spotify (plus they're touring right now)?
I can't wait to finally see this band!
I know that Robert is a very private guy, but do you guys know if there is any chance for a pathetic fanboy (like me) to get an autograph or a picture with him?
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I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.
Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!
Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.
Could this really just be because of Spotify (plus they're touring right now)?
I can't wait to finally see this band!
I know that Robert is a very private guy, but do you guys know if there is any chance for a pathetic fanboy (like me) to get an autograph or a picture with him?
Now that I have shaken hands with Ritchie Blackmore, Robert Fripp is No. 1 by a long shot (though it's a very very short list overall) of musicians I'd like to meet. I find him to be a fascinating guy; most of his diary entries paint him to be a rather dour, perhaps cold man, maybe even a little bitter, but if you're privy to the exchanges (you can google it) between he and John Wetton as John's illness began to get the better of him, it was both touching and heartbreaking. The affection that Fripp had for Wetton was pure and clear. I'm a huge Wetton fan (mostly from Asia, let's be honest, that's where he shined) and reading some of the final exchanges, and seeing the pictures from their last time together (Wetton was, literally, unrecognizable) I went through half a box of tissues.
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I am in the German progrock.dt community and on their FB forum. (dt stands for Deutschland = Germany). The group has been full of King Crimson the last weeks. Love it.
Also: I just bought my first King Crimson tickets! Berlin, 7th row, here I come!!!
Seem like their profile exploded lately. Very curious as to why.
Could this really just be because of Spotify (plus they're touring right now)?
I can't wait to finally see this band!
I know that Robert is a very private guy, but do you guys know if there is any chance for a pathetic fanboy (like me) to get an autograph or a picture with him?
Now that I have shaken hands with Ritchie Blackmore, Robert Fripp is No. 1 by a long shot (though it's a very very short list overall) of musicians I'd like to meet. I find him to be a fascinating guy; most of his diary entries paint him to be a rather dour, perhaps cold man, maybe even a little bitter, but if you're privy to the exchanges (you can google it) between he and John Wetton as John's illness began to get the better of him, it was both touching and heartbreaking. The affection that Fripp had for Wetton was pure and clear. I'm a huge Wetton fan (mostly from Asia, let's be honest, that's where he shined) and reading some of the final exchanges, and seeing the pictures from their last time together (Wetton was, literally, unrecognizable) I went through half a box of tissues.
He's seemed to have made subtle mental changes to his disposition of the last 10 years or so but I haven't followed that closely enough to determine at what point that may have happened.
I don't need to shake Fripp's hand but I do need see Crimson in September.
I've broken my somewhat recently adopted rule about traveling more than 90 minutes away for a concert on a weeknight for this. Might be the last time I see this band.
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I've seen both 2008 and 2017 incarnations of King Crimson and they are a magical act to witness. The 2017 was very memorable as a I was sitting on Gavin's and Fripp's side of the stage. When Gavin did his solo in the 21st Schizoid Man song, Fripp was smiling! A full smile! That was the highlight of the show for me.
After the initial reunion shows with Adrian (the 2008 band), Fripp kind of went away. His urge to re-start the Beast came from the album Scarcity of Miracles (Jackzyk, Fripp, and Collins, with Levin and Gavin on the rhythm section).
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Any fans of Islands?
It was the last KC album that I got and I haven't listened to it that much.
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That's my least favorite one. Aside from the fabulous title track, it's really a drag.
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If I never hear Islands again, I will be most pleased. Same goes for In the Wake of Poseidon and Lizard.
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Yeah, that's totally how I feel as well.
Last night I listened to it back to back with Red and what a difference. Red's songs are punchy, strait to the point and memorable. Fallen angel is stuck in my head right now as I am writing this. The songs on islands meander, don't really go anywhere and feel meh. Which is a shame, because when they are on point, I can't get enough KC.
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If I never hear Islands again, I will be most pleased. Same goes for In the Wake of Poseidon and Lizard.
Islands is pretty meh after the title track and Sailor's Tale, but In The Wake Of Poseidon is seriously awesome. I'll never understand how that one gets overlooked while the debut gets praised. Lizard is strange.
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An album containing songs of the quality of Pictures of a City and In the Wake of Poseidon (better than Epitaph imo) can’t possibly be bad.
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Lets not forget Cadence and cascade. That song is just gorgeous.
Lizard actually used to be my favorite album of theirs for a long time, but I probably got tired of it. The jazzy sound is overwhelming to me nowadays.
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I actually heard King Crimson for the first time when I got The Construkction of Light from the library. The atonal one-note-at-a-time guitar lines alternating left and right plus the electronic drums put me in a mysterious world while studying. I really liked it, but I soon learned that almost every other KC record was even better.
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I've been in a pretty big Grateful Dead mood lately (I'm a fan of the Godchaux years, primarily) and I was struck over the weeknd that while the music itself is different (and the roots are coming from a different place) there is a LOT of similarity between the Dead and Crimson, both on stage and off.
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If I never hear Islands again, I will be most pleased. Same goes for In the Wake of Poseidon and Lizard.
Islands is pretty meh after the title track and Sailor's Tale, but In The Wake Of Poseidon is seriously awesome. I'll never understand how that one gets overlooked while the debut gets praised. Lizard is strange.
I pulled In The Wake Of Poseidon off of the shelf last weekend and listened to it a few times. Although that era has never been my favorite I enjoy that period a lot. It's a very introspective album. Whenever I put it on I'm always wondering why I don't listen to it more although ultimately I know what that answer is (Some much music so little time!)
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I've been in a pretty big Grateful Dead mood lately (I'm a fan of the Godchaux years, primarily) and I was struck over the weeknd that while the music itself is different (and the roots are coming from a different place) there is a LOT of similarity between the Dead and Crimson, both on stage and off.
There are similarities for sure.
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I've always really enjoyed Wake of Poseidon. Its got some decent, memorable tracks and its a great companion piece to the debut album. I particularly love the title track on Poseidon, its dark, brooding and beautiful.
Cat food is fun and goofy. And Pictures of a city is pretty solid, a long song that goes to a bunch of different places without losing my attention.
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The most comprehensive King Crimson interview I've ever seen. (https://www.innerviews.org/inner/king-crimson) And I'm pretty sure about that because Fripp almost never gives interviews, and there are even fewer King Crimson interviews because of that.
Apologies if this is a repost.
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The most comprehensive King Crimson interview I've ever seen. (https://www.innerviews.org/inner/king-crimson) And I'm pretty sure about that because Fripp almost never gives interviews, and there are even fewer King Crimson interviews because of that.
Apologies if this is a repost.
Read this a few months back. He's definitely a changed man.
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I think it's awesome there's been all of the discussion about King Crimson.
It is because they're now on Spotify or the 50th anniversary tour or both?
Seeing them in September as I've not caught this lineup yet and it could be the final time I'll have the chance. I expect it to be different than other 6 times I've seen them over the years. They're flat out amazing live.
Great to see people getting into them.
Nearly a full house in Philly last night. I'll admit I was never a huge fan of the '60 and '70s incarnations of this band perhaps due to the lack of attention those years got whenever I saw them live. Never saw this lineup either.
I really like those eras. I enjoy listening to it a lot but it never destroyed me like it did last night. I'd guess I never witnessed about 70 percent of the set. Totally blown away. Completely. I lack the words to describe it.
Need to pull that live stuff out from that era and see if I somehow missed something or maybe this band just unlocked something that wasn't tapped before.
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I think every era of King Crimson had something to offer. Whenever you put that many talented musicians on stage together and turn them loose, there is the potential for amazing music. There is also a lot of less elegant noodling and doodling, which is why improv is so dangerous, so unpredictable. But man, when things are hot, there's nothing like it.
I've never been to a King Crimson show, but I've seen a bunch of video (and own some myself), and I'm always blown away.
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I think every era of King Crimson had something to offer. Whenever you put that many talented musicians on stage together and turn them loose, there is the potential for amazing music. There is also a lot of less elegant noodling and doodling, which is why improv is so dangerous, so unpredictable. But man, when things are hot, there's nothing like it.
I've never been to a King Crimson show, but I've seen a bunch of video (and own some myself), and I'm always blown away.
Oh, I completely agree. I at least like all eras very much but there are some I prefer more than others. I never saw this era live before and was kind of avoiding what they were playing on this tour. I was hoping for a set focusing on the last 30 years or so since that's probably my favorite period and I'll admit I laughed when they dusted off Cat Food. I just wasn't prepared to have my face melted.
I went back and pulled the Epitaph box and maybe it's the quality of the recordings (which aren't bad given the age) but I didn't really have a different reaction than when I always play it. I like it a lot and it was great in it's time but they really brought this stuff to life. Most of it sounded like it was written yesterday. Can't even really describe it. I'm gonna move into the early '70s eras and see if that stuff stirs me any more but I really don't know if it will. I probably will check out whatever is available for this tour because I need more of this stuff.
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Bill Rieflin is dead. RIP
(https://i.imgur.com/Qn2GBrF.jpg)
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Damn. That sucks
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How did I never hear about Meltdown: Live In Mexico until now.
Gonna buy that since it has Fallen Angel and I've been looking for a live version.
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This really never gets any easier.
At least we have the music.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but another Crimson musician has passed:
R.I.P. one of the all time piano geniuses, the British jazz icon Keith Tippett. Just heard a very sad news from my friend Riccardo Bergerone from Torino, who is Keith Tippett's friend for over 4 decades, confirmed by Keith's daughter Inca and his wife Julie. Keith unfortunately died 3 hours ago. A hero of mine for who knows since when, some of his albums are among my all time favorite albums. Keith was the member of one-off band Soft Ware, with Hugh Hopper, Elton Dean and John Marshall, the genesis of Soft Works, which became Soft Machine Legacy and consequently, assuming the full name of Soft Machine, 5 years ago. I've met Keith for the first time in Noci, southern Italy, only 5-6 miles from where I lived, in 1990, he was playing a solo piano show at Europe Festival Noci, whose artistic directors were the Italian trumpet & fluegelhorn player Pino Minafra, and my best friend during my life in Italy, Italian poet and saxophonist Vittorino Curci. Dudu Pukwana, the South-African jazz icon and close friend of Keith since the late 60s, has just died I believe one day before Keith's festival show, and Keith performed one hour of the most brilliant piano improvisation ever heard by tours truly, as a dedication for his old friend. When I called Keith in 2001 asking him to continue the Soft Ware project, he remembered me, and we spoke for over an hour. And years later, he started to guest occasionally on Soft Machine (Legacy) shows in Germany, UK and Japan. One world only: GENIUS. Sadly, he wasn’t enough known in the USA. Dedicated To You Keith, Thank You For All What You Have Done For Music. Love and condolences to his wife Julie Tippetts and a family. Keith - You will be in our hearts forever.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/leonardo.moonjunerecords/posts/3617891941557699
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I actually had to look up which King Crimson albums he performed on and was surprised that I wasn't aware of his input. I should revisit those albums and listen carefully.
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Check out the tune 'Cat Food'
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Yeah, the piano on that song is insane. I've just never known who played it on the album.
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I've always been a big fan of what he adds to the Crim. Lovely work on the Bolero (from the Lizard suite), Formentera Lady, Islands. I had another more freeform-y album with him playing on it called "Cruel But Fair". Need to check it out again soon.
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So I bought all fifth 40th Anniversary Collection albums from BurningShed a few weeks ago and they finally came in yesterday (after sitting int he UK for what felt like 10 days according to the FedEx tracker).
I know most of them have been out for many years now, but I had missed a few early on, then decided to just wait until they were all release, and last year, they finally release TPTB, so I figured now was a good time to replace all of my previous 30th Anniversary re-issues.
I'll be ripping them to my HD and then putting them on my phone for easy listening, but I am REALLY excited to dive back into the King Crimson catalog, as it has been quite some time since I've listened to Fripp and the boys!
I really wish that they would do just ONE last studio album, with the current touring line up. Give them one last big hurrah before bowing out, because I know Fripp is definitely not getting any younger. A Scarcity Of Miracles was really good, and I've been spinning that recently (as I waited for my 15 albums to arrive), so I wouldn't mind another album like that, but perhaps with one or two heavier songs as well.
-Marc.
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So I bought all fifth 40th Anniversary Collection albums from BurningShed a few weeks ago and they finally came in yesterday (after sitting int he UK for what felt like 10 days according to the FedEx tracker).
I know most of them have been out for many years now, but I had missed a few early on, then decided to just wait until they were all release, and last year, they finally release TPTB, so I figured now was a good time to replace all of my previous 30th Anniversary re-issues.
I'll be ripping them to my HD and then putting them on my phone for easy listening, but I am REALLY excited to dive back into the King Crimson catalog, as it has been quite some time since I've listened to Fripp and the boys!
I really wish that they would do just ONE last studio album, with the current touring line up. Give them one last big hurrah before bowing out, because I know Fripp is definitely not getting any younger. A Scarcity Of Miracles was really good, and I've been spinning that recently (as I waited for my 15 albums to arrive), so I wouldn't mind another album like that, but perhaps with one or two heavier songs as well.
-Marc.
A new studio album with the current lineup would be a dream come true. I'm very curious what the three drummers would bring to the table. Plus, weren't there some rumours that Belew would rejoin? With him in the band and maybe him and Jakko sharing vocals, I think something new and really awesome could be the result. Also, Fripp has never done anything not worth listening to, so a new Crimso studio album would be - let's say - nothing to be scared of, like a new Yes album.
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I don't need a new studio album, but some live recordings would be great.
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I don't need a new studio album, but some live recordings would be great.
Like these?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_the_Orpheum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Toronto_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Action_to_Unseat_the_Hold_of_Monkey_Mind
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Chicago_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Vienna_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown:_Live_in_Mexico_City
I haven't heard any of these, but they're all from the last 5-6 years, with largely the same line-up.
-Marc.
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I don't need a new studio album, but some live recordings would be great.
Like these?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_the_Orpheum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Toronto_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Action_to_Unseat_the_Hold_of_Monkey_Mind
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Chicago_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Vienna_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown:_Live_in_Mexico_City
I haven't heard any of these, but they're all from the last 5-6 years, with largely the same line-up.
-Marc.
Don't have all of those yet, but yeah. Something from the most recent tour would be great too, but I think that may be in the pipeline.
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The Meltdown Bluray ist awesome.
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Toyah and Robert Fripp startle humanity with cover of Enter Sandman (https://www.loudersound.com/news/toyah-and-robert-fripp-startle-humanity-with-frisky-cover-of-enter-sandman)
I haven't heard the cover yet, but I'll say that it looks pretty interesting. No, seriously, click the link. You'll see what I mean.
Also, I didn't even realize that Toyah and Robert were married, and have been since 1986 (they married on Robert's 40th birthday), so nearly 35 years ago.
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"We could comment on Fripp's uncanny ability to maintain eye contact with his wife despite her most valiant attempts to distract him. But we won't."
I love those two. Robert and Toyah, I mean. I really enjoy their little videos.
EDIT: I've seen a lot of Fripp live, both on tape and in person, and 1:05 may be the first overt "technique" mistake I've ever heard him make.
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Fuck, that was really good! In all ways.
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Monk-level focus. Cool cover too.
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Fuck, that was really good! In all ways.
Sure was. I'm pretty sure they've been doing these videos regularly since the pandemic. At first I thought he was doing them begrudgingly but he seems to be really enjoying them.
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Fuck, that was really good! In all ways.
Sure was. I'm pretty sure they've been doing these videos regularly since the pandemic. At first I thought he was doing them begrudgingly but he seems to be really enjoying them.
Yeah; I've seen I think four or five now.
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This week's is similar, and blatantly acknowledges why last week's was so popular. Self-awareness is key.
Toyah and Robert's Sunday Lunch - Rebel Yell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFaQExRwLUM)
Okay, I'll stop with these. Y'all need to check them out yourselves. The videos, I mean.
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Even without the obvious, I have a mild crush on Toyah. I just like her attitude and energy (and I've said this before, back when the videos were a little less titillating. So to speak.). And I think the whole package is rather attractive for a 62 year old woman.
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Welcome to the Jungle wasn't bad.
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For Immediate Release
“A Romantic's Guide To King Crimson” by The Mastelottos Featuring Drum Legend Pat Mastelotto!
Romantic's Guide to King Crimson - CD and Download link
Valentine’s Day 2021 delivers an unexpected and welcome surprise with the release of “A Romantic’s Guide to King Crimson,” the new 12-track album of reinvented King Crimson material by the husband-and-wife duo Deborah and Pat Mastelotto. The collection, which spans the band’s entire history, revisits classics including “Matte Kudasai,” “Heartbeat,” “Moonchild,” “Elephant Talk,” “Peace,” “Exiles,” and “Sleepless.”
Pat Mastelotto is an American rock drummer and record producer who has worked with King Crimson, Mr. Mister, XTC, and The Rembrandts, and many others. Pat has served as one of King Crimson’s drummers from 1995 to the present day. This album resulted from Pat’s observations and Deborah’s insights made after she intermittently joined Pat on tour as part of the King Crimson entourage from 2008 onwards.
“It’s always been a joke in the King Crimson camp that there’s never a line for the women’s restrooms during intermissions,” said Deborah. “King Crimson plays loud and it’s often intense and raucous. But it can also be haunting and melodic, with some of the most beautiful lyrics ever. We wanted to help uncover that sweetness and introduce the songs to a different type of audience with ‘A Romantic’s Guide to King Crimson.’”
“The album has amazing contributions from all the musicians involved, especially the TOAPP artists,” said Pat. “We experimented together and since they were already lifelong Crim Heads, they were totally into reconfiguring the classic performances or developing totally new parts. So, get ready. You’ll hear some fantastic detail in their playing.”
The recording features lead vocals by Deborah and drumming and production by Pat. They chose the material and co-arranged it together.
“We compiled King Crimson songs and searched for the romanticism in them, then re-arranged them,” said Deborah. “The addition of a girl singer automatically changed the feel of those songs and placed them in a different genre. Our idea was to create a way for people, especially women, to appreciate the beauty of King Crimson’s music without the fear and sometimes resistance attached to the word ‘prog’ getting in the way. We slowed the songs way down and stripped them back to their essential lyrics and melodies.”
“In the Crimson tradition, we approached every song as if it was brand new,” said Pat. “At first, it involved tinkering with 20-plus songs in hotel rooms using iPhone apps to choose what worked best for us. We first focused on the lyrics. The words had to resonate and the arrangements had to develop a prog-meets-pop twist to meet my hopes. We had no desire to duplicate the original arrangements. In fact, just the opposite. I was trying to discover where else they could go to expose sweetness, sort of like the old days of cassettes and giving a loved one a mixtape. It’s a gift to fans and a family of former Crims.“
The Mastelottos started the recordings in 2019 by inviting the Texas TOAPP alumni, including members of the Houston symphony, to record in Pat’s home studio in the Texas Hill Country. After a quick trip to Nagoya for his one and only live gig of 2020, which yielded the live Stick Men album “Owari,” Pat returned and spent months with Deborah during the 2020 COVID-19 lockdown finishing the project. The result is an album full of lush nuance and ornamentation designed to put listeners in a meditative and buoyant mood.
“The COVID-19 lockdown resulted in a year of cancelled shows, which gave us time to realize the album,” said Pat. “This grand reboot of humanity made being a couple all the more important, nurturing relationships with people we love, gardening and doing home projects while creating this album together was a beautiful experience.”
“2020 has given us the longest period of consecutive days, weeks and months we’ve ever spent together,” said Deborah. “Our close proximity enabled a continuous dialog and working environment, so we never had to break the creative flow.”
“Working from home meant we could take the listening experience from the studio to the car to the bedroom…to test drive…so to speak,” added Pat.
“Fluff your pillows and head to the softer side of the bed for the pinkest Crimson ever”
Cover Art: Ana Fuentes
Design: Denis Rodier
To pre-order: https://patmastelotto7d.bandcamp.com/album/a-romantics-guide-to-king-crimson
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Robert and Toyah are like "WTF, bro. Stay in your lane!" Haha.
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Anyone else think Fripp won't release a proper King Crimson studio album again because the band has 13 official albums?
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I don't need a new studio album, but some live recordings would be great.
Like these?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_the_Orpheum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Toronto_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Action_to_Unseat_the_Hold_of_Monkey_Mind
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Chicago_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Vienna_(King_Crimson_album)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown:_Live_in_Mexico_City
I haven't heard any of these, but they're all from the last 5-6 years, with largely the same line-up.
-Marc.
Don't have all of those yet, but yeah. Something from the most recent tour would be great too, but I think that may be in the pipeline.
Since this post I'm now only missing Vienna and Radical Action To Unseat The Monkey Mind.
Been on serious live Crimson kick lately largely listening to Chicago, Orpheum, and Toronto. I've always been a fan of the early '80s stuff and the double trio but I have to say the recent live band is a beast. I'd be the first to admit that the '69 to '74 period was my least favorite (Though I do like it a lot) but the recent look back has totally turned me around on this music. I should have known better that this was no nostalgia trip.
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Anyone else think Fripp won't release a proper King Crimson studio album again because the band has 13 official albums?
As long as he keeps release those magical live albums I don't really care. Might have more to do with the fact that you don't make much money off of studio albums anymore than the number.
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My issue is I want to hear more original material. It can be recorded live, their concerts are pretty much dead silent in the audience.
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My issue is I want to hear more original material. It can be recorded live, their concerts are pretty much dead silent in the audience.
If you haven’t heard Jakko’s latest solo album, it has two songs that are essentially new Crimson songs performed by most of the live band. Really cool album.
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My issue is I want to hear more original material. It can be recorded live, their concerts are pretty much dead silent in the audience.
Unfortunately I think the closest we will get is Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind where the CDs do not have any audience sounds making it basically that. Although the amount of new music is not as much as you or I would like.
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My issue is I want to hear more original material. It can be recorded live, their concerts are pretty much dead silent in the audience.
Unfortunately I think the closest we will get is Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind where the CDs do not have any audience sounds making it basically that. Although the amount of new music is not as much as you or I would like.
I know there's new stuff scattered about all these new live albums, I wish they'd compile them all into one album.
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My issue is I want to hear more original material. It can be recorded live, their concerts are pretty much dead silent in the audience.
If you haven’t heard Jakko’s latest solo album, it has two songs that are essentially new Crimson songs performed by most of the live band. Really cool album.
I heard this was supposed to be good but I haven't heard it yet.
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My issue is I want to hear more original material. It can be recorded live, their concerts are pretty much dead silent in the audience.
If you haven’t heard Jakko’s latest solo album, it has two songs that are essentially new Crimson songs performed by most of the live band. Really cool album.
I heard this was supposed to be good but I haven't heard it yet.
It’s kind of a brooding, cold rainy day type of album, but Jakko is a remarkable talent. This is the first thing I’ve heard by him outside of KC, and it’s really good.
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It's sad to say, especially as I'm as much a Fripp fan as I ever was, maybe more, but I'm kind of done with Crimson, I think. I went through a listening party a couple months ago when ripping my CDs to hardrive, and the high points - ITCOTCK, Red, Discipline, TCOL - are as good as they ever were, but it's getting... a little scattershot and hard to follow now, and FOR ME, "the thread" was always an important part of the work. It was never about the "song" with Crimson, as much as what went into the song, and I'm at the point that I don't have the energy or initiative to follow it, especially the little off-shoots. No dig on the band, that's about ME, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
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To me, the story drifts away after the mid-2000s, everything since have been Fripp projects, or been like The Projekcts, non-essential KC related stuff; but more nostalgia act while trying to not be one (mixing up the lineups)
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I haven’t explored much of anything that is a KC offshoot. All I know is the current live incarnation sounds amazing. The Jakko album has a couple definite KC type songs, but it’s it’s own thing.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. I liked Crimson back in the 70's, both the original and Wetton/Bruford version. I liked the 80's version with Belew and Levin, and I was okay with them into the 90's. Then came the ProjeKcts, which were interesting but not really essential. Since then, I know there's been more, but I just don't feel compelled to dig it up and follow it. I'll watch a YouTube video with a recent lineup if it comes up suggested, and there's the band with three drummers that I heard about. It's interesting, certainly much better than I would have thought a band with three drummers would be, but still not essential. If I'm gonna listen to King Crimson, I already have plenty of stuff to choose from that I like better. I saw one with the "new" lineup (or a newer lineup anyway) and some guy singing "Starless", obviously not Wetton, and he wasn't bad. The performance itself wasn't bad. But why would I want to see/hear that when I've got the real thing?
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. I liked Crimson back in the 70's, both the original and Wetton/Bruford version. I liked the 80's version with Belew and Levin, and I was okay with them into the 90's. Then came the ProjeKcts, which were interesting but not really essential. Since then, I know there's been more, but I just don't feel compelled to dig it up and follow it. I'll watch a YouTube video with a recent lineup if it comes up suggested, and there's the band with three drummers that I heard about. It's interesting, certainly much better than I would have thought a band with three drummers would be, but still not essential. If I'm gonna listen to King Crimson, I already have plenty of stuff to choose from that I like better. I saw one with the "new" lineup (or a newer lineup anyway) and some guy singing "Starless", obviously not Wetton, and he wasn't bad. The performance itself wasn't bad. But why would I want to see/hear that when I've got the real thing?
That singer is Jakko Jakszyk, and he might just be the most talented vocalist to front King Crimson (also a heck of a guitarist).
This newer arrangement of Islands is magnificent:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a774IVpInRo
Here’s one of my favorites from Jakko’s recent solo album:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gPhzFKCa37o
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Have you guys actually seen the band live during their last tours? DVDs and live CDs don't capture what these guys are doing on stage. It's amazing I'm telling you. Even though they're not releasing new music, they're still amazing.
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Have you guys actually seen the band live during their last tours? DVDs and live CDs don't capture what these guys are doing on stage. It's amazing I'm telling you. Even though they're not releasing new music, they're still amazing.
Seen them once in 2016 and twice in 2018.... musically some of the best concerts that I have ever seen.
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I saw them in 2018 and it was spectacular. Just look at that monumental set list!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/king-crimson/2018/wiener-stadthalle-halle-f-vienna-austria-73eac6bd.html
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It's sad to say, especially as I'm as much a Fripp fan as I ever was, maybe more, but I'm kind of done with Crimson, I think. I went through a listening party a couple months ago when ripping my CDs to hardrive, and the high points - ITCOTCK, Red, Discipline, TCOL - are as good as they ever were, but it's getting... a little scattershot and hard to follow now, and FOR ME, "the thread" was always an important part of the work. It was never about the "song" with Crimson, as much as what went into the song, and I'm at the point that I don't have the energy or initiative to follow it, especially the little off-shoots. No dig on the band, that's about ME, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
I am with ya, especially in regards to the band itself. I went through a good phase with them many years ago, but they are like a retired favorite now, one I really never need to hear him anymore, except that they were never really a favorite (I think when I did a top 50 artists list years ago, they were in the 40's, and that's as high as they ever got). I will on occasion crank up Starless or The Power to Believe II or some of Discipline, but otherwise King Crimson is simply a band I have no urge to ever listen to anymore.
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I think Crimson are a bit of a mood band. You have to be in that mindset. But I will say for whatever reason I find I work really well with them on in the background.
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I am with ya, especially in regards to the band itself. I went through a good phase with them many years ago, but they are like a retired favorite now, one I really never need to hear him anymore, except that they were never really a favorite (I think when I did a top 50 artists list years ago, they were in the 40's, and that's as high as they ever got). I will on occasion crank up Starless or The Power to Believe II or some of Discipline, but otherwise King Crimson is simply a band I have no urge to ever listen to anymore.
I don't understand anything you're saying :lol
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I am with ya, especially in regards to the band itself. I went through a good phase with them many years ago, but they are like a retired favorite now, one I really never need to hear him anymore, except that they were never really a favorite (I think when I did a top 50 artists list years ago, they were in the 40's, and that's as high as they ever got). I will on occasion crank up Starless or The Power to Believe II or some of Discipline, but otherwise King Crimson is simply a band I have no urge to ever listen to anymore.
I don't understand anything you're saying :lol
Maybe you need to read it again? ;) :biggrin:
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To me, the story drifts away after the mid-2000s, everything since have been Fripp projects, or been like The Projekcts, non-essential KC related stuff; but more nostalgia act while trying to not be one (mixing up the lineups)
I got lost around that time too. And then I heard they were playing songs that they hadn't played in decades and thought they went nostalgia about 6 or 7 years ago . But after seeing them live and hearing those live I happily very much mistaken. Those live interpretations brought that material to life gave me a whole new appreciation for those songs that admittedly was not my favorite era of the band. I only have a handful of Fripp's outside projects. (I have a ton of Bruford, Levin and Belew.) Fripp's never really been my favorite musician in this band, but I really like all of the other aspects he's involved himself in from his humanity to his business acumen.
I love King Crimson as much as I ever have if not more although they may have lost me when Belew left.
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I haven’t explored much of anything that is a KC offshoot. All I know is the current live incarnation sounds amazing. The Jakko album has a couple definite KC type songs, but it’s it’s own thing.
I wasn't sure if I would like his contributions, but they really seem to work. I like his voice too. The passion is there.
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Have you guys actually seen the band live during their last tours? DVDs and live CDs don't capture what these guys are doing on stage. It's amazing I'm telling you. Even though they're not releasing new music, they're still amazing.
That's what convinced me....totally. Never thought it could get any better than the double trio. Wrong!
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I think Crimson are a bit of a mood band. You have to be in that mindset. But I will say for whatever reason I find I work really well with them on in the background.
I'm the opposite. That music demands that I listen to it.
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Same here, especially the 80's stuff. It's so meticulously constructed that "composed" almost doesn't seem to do it justice. I can't help but stop and listen to it.
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NP - The Night Watch. Man I love this song and Fripp’s soloing throughout.
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Watched Meltdown: Live In Mexico City again this morning and just stared at it in awe.
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https://ispot.tv/a/t7Na
So, this.
I am floored by this, frankly. Given how frequently these commercials run (when's the last time you ever saw a band shirt on an actor in a commercial?), and the clearances required, as well as Robert's historical "integrity" with the band intellectual property, every time I see this commercial (and I saw it last night again on my local CBS affiliate, which is why I'm writing this now) I'm amazed this is a thing.
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https://ispot.tv/a/t7Na
So, this.
I am floored by this, frankly. Given how frequently these commercials run (when's the last time you ever saw a band shirt on an actor in a commercial?), and the clearances required, as well as Robert's historical "integrity" with the band intellectual property, every time I see this commercial (and I saw it last night again on my local CBS affiliate, which is why I'm writing this now) I'm amazed this is a thing.
Ha! I’m sitting here listening carefully to the music, trying to decipher if there was some Crimson reference or something and didn’t even notice the t-shirt until I re-watched it a third time.
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https://ispot.tv/a/t7Na
So, this.
I am floored by this, frankly. Given how frequently these commercials run (when's the last time you ever saw a band shirt on an actor in a commercial?), and the clearances required, as well as Robert's historical "integrity" with the band intellectual property, every time I see this commercial (and I saw it last night again on my local CBS affiliate, which is why I'm writing this now) I'm amazed this is a thing.
Ha! I’m sitting here listening carefully to the music, trying to decipher if there was some Crimson reference or something and didn’t even notice the t-shirt until I re-watched it a third time.
I'd be more impressed if it were a shirt from anything other than the first album but that's just me. Might have something to do with the Sunday Brunch has kind of become a thing and that some number of people who watch it don't have a clue as to what King Crimson is but that's just an uneducated guess.
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Anybody going to this summer's US tour?
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Today is the 39th anniversary of the release of Beat, and this is some interesting insight behind the making of that I wasn't aware of (though is it ever surprising when KC has internal strife?). Also had never heard this extended version of Requiem before. Very cool. May need to track down that 40th anniversary edition.
https://www.dgmlive.com/news/beat-is-39-today
Beat is still my favorite of the Discipline era albums, though I can see the finding Heartbeat and Two Hands to be out of place. They are pretty distinctly Belew-ish compositions, but I do like them.
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That was a good read. Just enough detail, not too long. And since it's King Crimson, not surprising at all that it was a challenge to make for all involved. The first Crimson album made by the same lineup as the previous one, and of course it almost didn't happen.
I love Discipline, and I like Beat a lot. The article mentions that Beat tends to be overlooked in favor of the others, but for me Three of a Perfect Pair is the weakest. I like the atmosphere and the improv, but when there's too much, it feels like they just didn't have enough material to fill an album so they just started improvising and recorded whatever came out. Improv has always been a big part of King Crimson, but Fripp makes some choices about what finally goes onto the album that I don't wholly agree with. I know... his band, his call. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
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That was a good read. Just enough detail, not too long. And since it's King Crimson, not surprising at all that it was a challenge to make for all involved. The first Crimson album made by the same lineup as the previous one, and of course it almost didn't happen.
I love Discipline, and I like Beat a lot. The article mentions that Beat tends to be overlooked in favor of the others, but for me Three of a Perfect Pair is the weakest. I like the atmosphere and the improv, but when there's too much, it feels like they just didn't have enough material to fill an album so they just started improvising and recorded whatever came out. Improv has always been a big part of King Crimson, but Fripp makes some choices about what finally goes onto the album that I don't wholly agree with. I know... his band, his call. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
Yeah, I agree about Three of a Perfect Pair. It's 60% good/great and 40% filler, or there about.
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Well, it looks like I'm going to see Crimson play in Ft Worth July 30. The last Crimson show I attended was the Double Trio down in Austin 95. That was a killer performance!
I'm not so sure about this line-up. IIRC, watched a Youtube video of this line-up doing a "new" song a few years back. Can't even remember the title? I do remember that it had lots of dense space-chords and a vocal part. Really helpful description, I know! :D Didn't do anything for me though. I'll probably be avoiding watching anything further because I really want to be surprised.
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Anybody going to this summer's US tour?
:tup
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Anybody going to this summer's US tour?
:tup
Seriously considered it, but I'm done dancing with Ticketbastard/Jive Nation.
It's likely their last tour of this magnitude so if anyone has been waiting to catch them, now would be a good time.
Fortunately, it should be documented the way it usually is so I'll get to see/hear it in the comfort of my own home sometime down the road. I'll keep eating it like I always have. Special band.
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I saw them in 2014, and I would have likely seen them again if they had released a new studio album of new material since then.
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Anybody going to this summer's US tour?
:tup
I wish I could but it's a bit too far.
Saw them once in 2016 and twice in 2018. Musically among the very best I have ever seen.
The three drummer setup works so well. Love it!!!
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Anybody going to this summer's US tour?
:tup
Picked up a couple of tickets for the Greek Theater in L.A. Aug 6 (a friday). Funny thing is (or maybe not), last concert I saw was KC at the Greek on the 50th Anniversary tour. Have seen them multiple times beginning with the Dicepline tour. Always a great experience!
Not many bands I actually want to see any more. If Steven Wilson makes it anywhere near L.A. I will be there for sure (saw him twice while I lived in Denmark). Would probably go see The Pineapple Thief as well (mostly for Gavin Harrison).
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Alright, going to see Crimson in one week next Friday.
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Alright, going to see Crimson in one week next Friday.
Nice!
Made peace with the fact that the last time I'll probably see them was in 2019.
But we'll see.
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Alright, going to see Crimson in one week next Friday.
Nice!
Made peace with the fact that the last time I'll probably see them was in 2019.
But we'll see.
Well at least you got to see them. This incarnation of Crimson is the one that I'm least familiar. Haven't looked at any setlists, or watched any live footage. I've been intentionally keeping away until I see the show. I want to be surprised! (even though I've already sort-of been quasi-spoiled as to some tunes which may end up in repertoire due reading fan criticism in forums such as this one)
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Catching them Friday in Ft. Worth and Saturday in Austin. One from center balcony and one from the Harrison and Fripp side, nearly overhead. First shows in 17 months, so might as well make the most of it, eh?
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Catching them Friday in Ft. Worth and Saturday in Austin. One from center balcony and one from the Harrison and Fripp side, nearly overhead. First shows in 17 months, so might as well make the most of it, eh?
Sounds awesome man! I'll be there at Will Rogers in Ft. Worth. Never been to that venue. Hell, last show I saw in Ft. Worth over 20 years ago was Fates Warning at the long defunct Caravan of Dreams. I don't go to many shows so I'm sure this one will be extra special no matter how it pans out.
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Still getting my head around that show last night in Ft Worth. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen drummers who work that way together in my entire life. They weren't just trading 4s, they we're trading 1s, 1/2ths,1/4ths, LOL. Even the most basic kick/snare patterns, they would alternate which drummer would play each individual snare stroke (while the other two waited their turn). The solo in the intro to Indiscipline was like a drummer's game of "telephone", one guy would play the lick, the next guy repeats, the 3rd guy changes it slightly becoming the new lick, next guy repeats THAT, then next guy changes it slightly, and so on, and so on... like a cat and mouse / call and response thing. Lots and lots of cymbal catches (for dramatic effect). Not a boring moment for the frontline the whole night. It's just something you have to see to believe.
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That sounds like a cool show!
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Still getting my head around that show last night in Ft Worth. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen drummers who work that way together in my entire life. They weren't just trading 4s, they we're trading 1s, 1/2ths,1/4ths, LOL. Even the most basic kick/snare patterns, they would alternate which drummer would play each individual snare stroke (while the other two waited their turn). The solo in the intro to Indiscipline was like a drummer's game of "telephone", one guy would play the lick, the next guy repeats, the 3rd guy changes it slightly becoming the new lick, next guy repeats THAT, then next guy changes it slightly, and so on, and so on... like a cat and mouse / call and response thing. Lots and lots of cymbal catches (for dramatic effect). Not a boring moment for the frontline the whole night. It's just something you have to see to believe.
I could look this up, but who is the third drummer after Rieflin passed? That show does sound like it was amazing.
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Still getting my head around that show last night in Ft Worth. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen drummers who work that way together in my entire life. They weren't just trading 4s, they we're trading 1s, 1/2ths,1/4ths, LOL. Even the most basic kick/snare patterns, they would alternate which drummer would play each individual snare stroke (while the other two waited their turn). The solo in the intro to Indiscipline was like a drummer's game of "telephone", one guy would play the lick, the next guy repeats, the 3rd guy changes it slightly becoming the new lick, next guy repeats THAT, then next guy changes it slightly, and so on, and so on... like a cat and mouse / call and response thing. Lots and lots of cymbal catches (for dramatic effect). Not a boring moment for the frontline the whole night. It's just something you have to see to believe.
I could look this up, but who is the third drummer after Rieflin passed? That show does sound like it was amazing.
I believe its a cat (whom I know nothing of!) named Jeremy Stacey (sp)? My sight totally sucks, but I think Mastelotto was on the left (??) and the other two guys we're the middle, and the right. I honestly couldn't tell who was who!? Yeah yeah I admit I'm not a big SW fan so don't know much PT. I'm not knowledgeable enough of the other two drummers, so I got the surprise I was hoping for with this show. And a most pleasant one it was too!!
I'm sure someone more better informed in this thread will give you a more adequate answer. :D
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That sounds like a cool show!
If you get a chance to see these guys, do it! I feel lucky to have had this one opportunity as it is. Didn't go to concerts much these days even before COVID. So I'm really happy to make this one exception.
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One last thing I have to mention is the setlist was a Crimson fan's wet dream! I'm thinking that the set changes from gig to gig, but I imagine certain "classic" tunes have become staples in most sets. Again, something else I'd be happy to hear somebody else elucidate upon this aspect of the current band if someone would kindly oblige.
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Still getting my head around that show last night in Ft Worth. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen drummers who work that way together in my entire life. They weren't just trading 4s, they we're trading 1s, 1/2ths,1/4ths, LOL. Even the most basic kick/snare patterns, they would alternate which drummer would play each individual snare stroke (while the other two waited their turn). The solo in the intro to Indiscipline was like a drummer's game of "telephone", one guy would play the lick, the next guy repeats, the 3rd guy changes it slightly becoming the new lick, next guy repeats THAT, then next guy changes it slightly, and so on, and so on... like a cat and mouse / call and response thing. Lots and lots of cymbal catches (for dramatic effect). Not a boring moment for the frontline the whole night. It's just something you have to see to believe.
I could look this up, but who is the third drummer after Rieflin passed? That show does sound like it was amazing.
I believe its a cat (whom I know nothing of!) named Jeremy Stacey (sp)? My sight totally sucks, but I think Mastelotto was on the left (??) and the other two guys we're the middle, and the right. I honestly couldn't tell who was who!? Yeah yeah I admit I'm not a big SW fan so don't know much PT. I'm not knowledgeable enough of the other two drummers, so I got the surprise I was hoping for with this show. And a most pleasant one it was too!!
I'm sure someone more better informed in this thread will give you a more adequate answer. :D
The drummer on the right is Gavin Harrison, so from that perspective I'd say they're actually sporting four drummers rather than 3. The middle drummer plays keys for about half the set, taking over the for the deceased Rieflin.
Two great shows. They moved the stage forward a section last night and reticketed us, so we actually did even better than expected. Fourth row from the stage and 3 rows up on the balcony, right over Harrison and Fripp. And while they do mix the setlist up, it's still the same songs. Either way they play two sets of 60 and 40 minutes each, with a 20 minute intermission. And the best news is that the Austin venue was air conditioned! The Ft Worth show was sweltering.
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Still getting my head around that show last night in Ft Worth. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen drummers who work that way together in my entire life. They weren't just trading 4s, they we're trading 1s, 1/2ths,1/4ths, LOL. Even the most basic kick/snare patterns, they would alternate which drummer would play each individual snare stroke (while the other two waited their turn). The solo in the intro to Indiscipline was like a drummer's game of "telephone", one guy would play the lick, the next guy repeats, the 3rd guy changes it slightly becoming the new lick, next guy repeats THAT, then next guy changes it slightly, and so on, and so on... like a cat and mouse / call and response thing. Lots and lots of cymbal catches (for dramatic effect). Not a boring moment for the frontline the whole night. It's just something you have to see to believe.
I could look this up, but who is the third drummer after Rieflin passed? That show does sound like it was amazing.
I believe its a cat (whom I know nothing of!) named Jeremy Stacey (sp)? My sight totally sucks, but I think Mastelotto was on the left (??) and the other two guys we're the middle, and the right. I honestly couldn't tell who was who!? Yeah yeah I admit I'm not a big SW fan so don't know much PT. I'm not knowledgeable enough of the other two drummers, so I got the surprise I was hoping for with this show. And a most pleasant one it was too!!
I'm sure someone more better informed in this thread will give you a more adequate answer. :D
The drummer on the right is Gavin Harrison, so from that perspective I'd say they're actually sporting four drummers rather than 3. The middle drummer plays keys for about half the set, taking over the for the deceased Rieflin.
Two great shows. They moved the stage forward a section last night and reticketed us, so we actually did even better than expected. Fourth row from the stage and 3 rows up on the balcony, right over Harrison and Fripp. And while they do mix the setlist up, it's still the same songs. Either way they play two sets of 60 and 40 minutes each, with a 20 minute intermission. And the best news is that the Austin venue was air conditioned! The Ft Worth show was sweltering.
Well my friend didn't even make it into the venue. He had some sort of panic attack and ended up going to the hospital to get all his vitals checked out. It was really weird, because I was very anxious and concerned for my friend, but at the same time I also realized when most of the seating had filled up (after the opener) and Crimson took the stage, that he likely wouldn't have lasted very long in that stifling venue in any case. I'm just very glad he turned out fine and it just turned out to be an anxiety attack and he was also dehydrated. Spent a lot of that show being that dude I'd thought I'd swore I'd never be at a show, on the damn phone!! Texting to get updates from the hospital and filling in on setlist stuff.
Thanks for the drummer info! :tup Glad you had nicer time in Austin.
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Jeremy Stacey was the drummer for Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds before final oasis / robbie williams / The La's drummer Chris Sharrock took over.
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What a concert. I enjoyed the heck out of it. Every time I see Gavin, he seems to raise the bar on his drumming. Love the fact that Fripp hasn't removed the mohawk.
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Alright, going to see Crimson in one week next Friday.
Nice!
Made peace with the fact that the last time I'll probably see them was in 2019.
But we'll see.
Well at least you got to see them. This incarnation of Crimson is the one that I'm least familiar. Haven't looked at any setlists, or watched any live footage. I've been intentionally keeping away until I see the show. I want to be surprised! (even though I've already sort-of been quasi-spoiled as to some tunes which may end up in repertoire due reading fan criticism in forums such as this one)
You're going to love it. Have to admit I had my doubts because there have been so many amazing lineup, but this one might be the most versatile of them all.
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Still getting my head around that show last night in Ft Worth. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen drummers who work that way together in my entire life. They weren't just trading 4s, they we're trading 1s, 1/2ths,1/4ths, LOL. Even the most basic kick/snare patterns, they would alternate which drummer would play each individual snare stroke (while the other two waited their turn). The solo in the intro to Indiscipline was like a drummer's game of "telephone", one guy would play the lick, the next guy repeats, the 3rd guy changes it slightly becoming the new lick, next guy repeats THAT, then next guy changes it slightly, and so on, and so on... like a cat and mouse / call and response thing. Lots and lots of cymbal catches (for dramatic effect). Not a boring moment for the frontline the whole night. It's just something you have to see to believe.
Figured you'd love it. Sounds like the typical Crimson show. Awesome that you got to experience it. It's a whole other plane of existence. I hope there is a recording for this tour.
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One last thing I have to mention is the setlist was a Crimson fan's wet dream! I'm thinking that the set changes from gig to gig, but I imagine certain "classic" tunes have become staples in most sets. Again, something else I'd be happy to hear somebody else elucidate upon this aspect of the current band if someone would kindly oblige.
I think the current lineup over the years has played the widest swath of material from the band's career and and it's been ages since a lot of it was played and even the songs that have been played are totally killer versions.
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You're going to love it. Have to admit I had my doubts because there have been so many amazing lineup, but this one might be the most versatile of them all.
Yes each linup of Crimson was its own special unique band and I appreciate them all differently too. This one is more like: Robert Fripp and his King Crimson Orchestra (featuring 3 drummers). After being such a guitar heavy band for all those years, it seems they're striking more of a balance. And I did notice there wasn't much guitar noodling in the show. Just the occasional chordal blast (ala Sailor's Tale end solo) from Fripp to add extra insanity to the proceedings.
Figured you'd love it. Sounds like the typical Crimson show. Awesome that you got to experience it. It's a whole other plane of existence. I hope there is a recording for this tour.
Indeed you predicted 100% correctly! Yeah, only a video would do it proper justice. There's no way I'd be able to tell which drummer was playing otherwise. I can generally tell who's who on any other instrument but not drums! I'd probably have to listen to these drummers for a LONG time to get to the point where I could tell them apart.
I think the current lineup over the years has played the widest swath of material from the band's career and and it's been ages since a lot of it was played and even the songs that have been played are totally killer versions.
Yes. So very true! I thought it was great that Mel was given a slot to blow over almost every tune. The flute solo in Level 5 was killer, and I totally did not see it coming!
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I thought it was great that Mel was given a slot to blow over almost every tune. The flute solo in Level 5 was killer, and I totally did not see it coming!
That's actually my pet peeve with this line-up. If they're playing the original arrangements then sometimes the slots are simply not there. I can't say I've been happy with the superfluous soloing over The ConstruKction of Light in particular.
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Nice interview with Tony Levin on his time in KC and the future of the band. He prefaces everything with never say never, but he’s telling friends he thinks this will be the band’s last US tour.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/08/03/king-crimson-concert-tour-tony-levin-interview/5438564001/
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Nice interview with Tony Levin on his time in KC and the future of the band. He prefaces everything with never say never, but he’s telling friends he thinks this will be the band’s last US tour.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/08/03/king-crimson-concert-tour-tony-levin-interview/5438564001/
Thanks.
I've been kind of getting that impression as well which is why I saw them on the previous tour. Decided I was done seeing them but I've been waffling of late.
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Happy 40th Birthday to Discipline! Might have to give this one a spin later today!
-Marc.
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One of my favorite records ever. Definitely gonna give it a listen later.
I saw the band a couple weeks ago in D.C. at what will probably be their last U.S. show ever, if the rumors are true.
By far the best concert I’ve ever seen. It’s put me on a KC kick and I’ve been listening to whatever live shows I can get my hands on. Currently exploring the 80’s era.
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Discipline is definitely a landmark album. Been a while since I’ve spun it. May have to do that soon.
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I'm not a huge "sound" guy (see the Maiden thread) but Discipline IS one of the best sounding CDs in my collection, if not THE best sounding.
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Listening to the Tony Levin version of Bolero. What a magnificent and perhaps under appreciated piece.
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Listening to the Tony Levin version of Bolero. What a magnificent and perhaps under appreciated piece.
Pretty sweet.
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bump.
new documentary!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg3osMG5yK4
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Now that interests me more than the Beatles one.
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Is this the "Cosmic FuKc" documentary that has been teased for years?
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Is this the "Cosmic FuKc" documentary that has been teased for years?
It is, they just changed the name.
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Is this the "Cosmic FuKc" documentary that has been teased for years?
It is, they just changed the name.
But... that's the greatest name for a documentary ever?? :'(
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Ian McDonald RIP :sad: :sad:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ian-mcdonald-king-crimson-foreigner-dead/
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Crap. :(
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Ian McDonald RIP :sad: :sad:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ian-mcdonald-king-crimson-foreigner-dead/
That’s sad. The debut is not my favorite thing by KC, but tracks like Epitaph and I Talk To The Wind are great and have McDonald all over them.
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Better spin The Court today...
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Ian McDonald RIP :sad: :sad:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ian-mcdonald-king-crimson-foreigner-dead/
That’s sad. The debut is not my favorite thing by KC, but tracks like Epitaph and I Talk To The Wind are great and have McDonald all over them.
Oh, I didn't realize that McDonald played alto sax on Starless, my favorite KC song. Always assumed it was just Mel Collins on that one.
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The Documentary having special Screening at Select Theaters (OCTOBER 19TH) and a 1-Day Event to Stream (OCTOBER 22ND)
https://www.itcotck.com/
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Burning Shed has listed two versions of the recent KC Documentary - a standard 1BD/1DVD set, and an 8-disc (2BD/2DVD/4CD) special edition.
Of course I ordered the 8-disc set, especially with all the bonus video footage on the 2nd video disc!
The sets release on December 2nd.
-Marc.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg3osMG5yK4
Doc is being live streamed with a 24-hour window to watch it later I guess starting at 3PM ET
https://www.nugs.net/live-download-of-king-crimson-in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king.-king-crimson-at-50.-london-gb-10-22-2022-mp3-flac-or-online-music-streaming/621290-WEBCASTVARIANT.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg3osMG5yK4
Doc is being live streamed with a 24-hour window to watch it later I guess starting at 3PM ET
https://www.nugs.net/live-download-of-king-crimson-in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king.-king-crimson-at-50.-london-gb-10-22-2022-mp3-flac-or-online-music-streaming/621290-WEBCASTVARIANT.html
May pick this up on DVD....
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Necro-post!
I loved the Adrian Belew shout-out in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. "Both solo and his work with King Crimson" (possibly paraphrased but pretty close). Totally unexpected but a welcome surprise.
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Necro-post!
I loved the Adrian Belew shout-out in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. "Both solo and his work with King Crimson" (possibly paraphrased but pretty close). Totally unexpected but a welcome surprise.
I genuinely laughed out loud in my theater when that line came up. I was amazed, but given James Gunn's love of music, the Belew shout-out was undoubtedly his idea, and now I wonder if 80s King Crimson is Gunn's favorite era. Would have loved to have heard an 80s KC song somewhere in the sound track though!
-Marc.
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Yeah, I scared my wife a bit when I shouted "Yes!" at that line. I'll laugh and yell along with the audience at a movie, since that's part of the shared experience, but it was a quiet moment in the film and the theater was silent except for me yelling. Oops. But no shame.
And you're right; it was certainly James Gunn's will that that line was in there, so why no 80's Crimson in the soundtrack? The only thing I can think of is that he didn't think it would "fit". The Guardians soundtracks have been by and large well-known songs by mostly well-known bands, with only a few exceptions. He might've tried to sneak "Sleepless" in there somewhere, but even that would've been tricky. I took the shout-out as his way of saying "And I also love this guy and this one other band, but I couldn't work them into the soundtrack."
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Yeah, I scared my wife a bit when I shouted "Yes!" at that line. I'll laugh and yell along with the audience at a movie, since that's part of the shared experience, but it was a quiet moment in the film and the theater was silent except for me yelling. Oops. But no shame.
And you're right; it was certainly James Gunn's will that that line was in there, so why no 80's Crimson in the soundtrack? The only thing I can think of is that he didn't think it would "fit". The Guardians soundtracks have been by and large well-known songs by mostly well-known bands, with only a few exceptions. He might've tried to sneak "Sleepless" in there somewhere, but even that would've been tricky. I took the shout-out as his way of saying "And I also love this guy and this one other band, but I couldn't work them into the soundtrack."
I imagine nobody thought it would be very commercially helpful to include a KC song on the soundtrack, but I also wonder if Fripp is against licensing his music for that sort of thing (though he seems to have chilled out a lot in recent years).
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Ooh, that's another consideration. Maybe James should've asked Toyah instead.
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Yeah, I scared my wife a bit when I shouted "Yes!" at that line. I'll laugh and yell along with the audience at a movie, since that's part of the shared experience, but it was a quiet moment in the film and the theater was silent except for me yelling. Oops. But no shame.
And you're right; it was certainly James Gunn's will that that line was in there, so why no 80's Crimson in the soundtrack? The only thing I can think of is that he didn't think it would "fit". The Guardians soundtracks have been by and large well-known songs by mostly well-known bands, with only a few exceptions. He might've tried to sneak "Sleepless" in there somewhere, but even that would've been tricky. I took the shout-out as his way of saying "And I also love this guy and this one other band, but I couldn't work them into the soundtrack."
I imagine nobody thought it would be very commercially helpful to include a KC song on the soundtrack, but I also wonder if Fripp is against licensing his music for that sort of thing (though he seems to have chilled out a lot in recent years).
Huge Crimson fan, no doubt, and Robert Fripp is my Number Two for most deserving of being in the RnRHoF; he single-handedly developed an entire genre, for Pete's sake. LOVE me some Crimson... but they don't belong anywhere near the soundtrack for Guardians of the Galaxy. The whole point was to reference the culture of earth in the '60s and '70s. From Wikipedia, Gunn: "It's striking the balance throughout the whole movie, through something that is very unique, but also something that is easily accessible to people at the same time. The music and the Earth stuff is one of those touchstones that we have to remind us that, yeah, Quill is a real person from planet Earth who's just like you and me."
All the songs were taken from Billboard charts, and "semi-familiar—ones you recognize but might not be able to name off the top of your head".
MAYBE Schizoid Man fits this, loosely, but I can't image that's the song you'd pick if you want to evoke a wistful feeling about the culture of Earth in the '60s and '70s.
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Ah, it is as I figured; no King Crimson songs really fit the concept.
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I think the reason I love Buffalo '66 so much IS the music in it. Just totally cool.
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Kind of cool that Bill Bruford came out of retirement to play during the John Wetton tribute concert the other night.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/bill-bruford-surprises-fans-with-live-performance-at-john-wetton-tribute-show
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Kind of cool that Bill Bruford came out of retirement to play during the John Wetton tribute concert the other night.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/bill-bruford-surprises-fans-with-live-performance-at-john-wetton-tribute-show
Wife told me about this earlier today. Very diverse lineup. Not sure why I didn't know about this.
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Kind of cool that Bill Bruford came out of retirement to play during the John Wetton tribute concert the other night.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/bill-bruford-surprises-fans-with-live-performance-at-john-wetton-tribute-show
Wife told me about this earlier today. Very diverse lineup. Not sure why I didn't know about this.
I didn't know about this either; but I have been binging an Asia live bootleg boxset over the past week. I miss John.
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Not really Crimson, but related. Randomly put on the UKZ live album from 10 or 15 ago with John, Eddie Jobson and Marco Mionnemann and I forgot how good that album is. Of course the UK stuff is great, but there's a really nice version of Starless on there.
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I've seen some live video of UKZ, and yeah, they're pretty great.
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caught the king crimson at 50 documentary recently, anyone else check it out? thought it was pretty good, all things considered. i think i preferred the zappa doc from 2021 but ah well
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I didn't love the KC documentary. It spent way too much time on the latest incarnation of the band, and completely overlooked some past eras of the band.
I thought the Zappa doc was great. But I'm not much of a Zappa guy, so I don't know how comprehensive that was.
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Dave Matthews on how Robert Fripp/King Crimson influenced his guitar playing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PS82VnHvw
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Dave Matthews on how Robert Fripp/King Crimson influenced his guitar playing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PS82VnHvw
Wait, WHAT? :) :) :) :) :)
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Dave Matthews on how Robert Fripp/King Crimson influenced his guitar playing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PS82VnHvw
Wait, WHAT? :) :) :) :) :)
I always imagined Dave was a closet prog head. I’ve never heard him talk about it before, but I always thought he might have been influenced by Peter Gabriel vocally as well.
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Dave Matthews on how Robert Fripp/King Crimson influenced his guitar playing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PS82VnHvw
Wait, WHAT? :) :) :) :) :)
I always imagined Dave was a closet prog head. I’ve never heard him talk about it before, but I always thought he might have been influenced by Peter Gabriel vocally as well.
THAT I understand. And even the prog, I sort of get. But I don't hear much Fripp or Crimson in his playing.
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Dave Matthews on how Robert Fripp/King Crimson influenced his guitar playing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PS82VnHvw
Wait, WHAT? :) :) :) :) :)
I always imagined Dave was a closet prog head. I’ve never heard him talk about it before, but I always thought he might have been influenced by Peter Gabriel vocally as well.
THAT I understand. And even the prog, I sort of get. But I don't hear much Fripp or Crimson in his playing.
I can see where some of those repeating figures he demonstrated came from Fripp. “The Stone” is another that has kind of that repeating Crimsonesque figure at the beginning.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EnNyUdMfGe8
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Off topic here, but while we're on the subject of 90s rockers who were closet prog fans, I just stumbled on this from Goo Goo Dolls' John Rzeznick:
I loved Genesis and I loved Peter Gabriel too. I loved them up through Duke. I loved that record. It is so emotionally satisfying for me to listen to that album. But at Abacab I just went: “Ah, I’m done!” They were so amazing up until then.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/john-rzeznik-soundtrack-of-my-life
He also mentions Yes and Roxy Music.
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Posted a couple of this guys' videos in the Rush thread, but he also has this really great one breaking down the song "Discipline."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Url45xNNWLs
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I don't know if this is the right place (or the Yes thread) but I've been listening to the Asia In Asia box set I got. It's got the satellite broadcast as originally aired, it's got a remixed version of the video from the broadcast (with the full set; at least three songs were cut from the broadcast), a CD of the full set remix, and a CD of the full run dry run the night before.
This is the live show from the Budokan in Tokyo with Greg Lake subbing in for John Wetton. Holy shit is it way better than I had remembered. Greg Lake's voice is just velvet. Steve Howe is on fire. Yeah, Geoff Downes looks kind of douchey running back and forth behind Carl Palmer with 2,943 keyboards, of which I think he uses four, but it's such a good, well-played show. Greg Lake is the star though; the liner notes make clear the band had just gotten off the last leg of their Alpha tour, and were tight, but he had to jump in to replace the MIA John Wetton (fired/quit) but he plays and sings flawlessly. I'm always impressed by that level of professionalism and competency. I think Asia was about Wetton's writing, but it would have been interesting to see what it looked like with Lake (accounts differ as to why it didn't continue with Lake).
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I don't know if this is the right place (or the Yes thread) but I've been listening to the Asia In Asia box set I got. It's got the satellite broadcast as originally aired, it's got a remixed version of the video from the broadcast (with the full set; at least three songs were cut from the broadcast), a CD of the full set remix, and a CD of the full run dry run the night before.
This is the live show from the Budokan in Tokyo with Greg Lake subbing in for John Wetton. Holy shit is it way better than I had remembered. Greg Lake's voice is just velvet. Steve Howe is on fire. Yeah, Geoff Downes looks kind of douchey running back and forth behind Carl Palmer with 2,943 keyboards, of which I think he uses four, but it's such a good, well-played show. Greg Lake is the star though; the liner notes make clear the band had just gotten off the last leg of their Alpha tour, and were tight, but he had to jump in to replace the MIA John Wetton (fired/quit) but he plays and sings flawlessly. I'm always impressed by that level of professionalism and competency. I think Asia was about Wetton's writing, but it would have been interesting to see what it looked like with Lake (accounts differ as to why it didn't continue with Lake).
I feel like I knew Lake subbed in for Asia at some point but I didn't realize there was recordings available. So they were half-Yes and two-thirds ELP at one point? Could've called themselves YELP. :lol
-Marc.
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I don't know if this is the right place (or the Yes thread) but I've been listening to the Asia In Asia box set I got. It's got the satellite broadcast as originally aired, it's got a remixed version of the video from the broadcast (with the full set; at least three songs were cut from the broadcast), a CD of the full set remix, and a CD of the full run dry run the night before.
This is the live show from the Budokan in Tokyo with Greg Lake subbing in for John Wetton. Holy shit is it way better than I had remembered. Greg Lake's voice is just velvet. Steve Howe is on fire. Yeah, Geoff Downes looks kind of douchey running back and forth behind Carl Palmer with 2,943 keyboards, of which I think he uses four, but it's such a good, well-played show. Greg Lake is the star though; the liner notes make clear the band had just gotten off the last leg of their Alpha tour, and were tight, but he had to jump in to replace the MIA John Wetton (fired/quit) but he plays and sings flawlessly. I'm always impressed by that level of professionalism and competency. I think Asia was about Wetton's writing, but it would have been interesting to see what it looked like with Lake (accounts differ as to why it didn't continue with Lake).
I feel like I knew Lake subbed in for Asia at some point but I didn't realize there was recordings available. So they were half-Yes and two-thirds ELP at one point? Could've called themselves YELP. :lol
-Marc.
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I don't know if this is the right place (or the Yes thread) but I've been listening to the Asia In Asia box set I got. It's got the satellite broadcast as originally aired, it's got a remixed version of the video from the broadcast (with the full set; at least three songs were cut from the broadcast), a CD of the full set remix, and a CD of the full run dry run the night before.
This is the live show from the Budokan in Tokyo with Greg Lake subbing in for John Wetton. Holy shit is it way better than I had remembered. Greg Lake's voice is just velvet. Steve Howe is on fire. Yeah, Geoff Downes looks kind of douchey running back and forth behind Carl Palmer with 2,943 keyboards, of which I think he uses four, but it's such a good, well-played show. Greg Lake is the star though; the liner notes make clear the band had just gotten off the last leg of their Alpha tour, and were tight, but he had to jump in to replace the MIA John Wetton (fired/quit) but he plays and sings flawlessly. I'm always impressed by that level of professionalism and competency. I think Asia was about Wetton's writing, but it would have been interesting to see what it looked like with Lake (accounts differ as to why it didn't continue with Lake).
I feel like I knew Lake subbed in for Asia at some point but I didn't realize there was recordings available. So they were half-Yes and two-thirds ELP at one point? Could've called themselves YELP. :lol
-Marc.
HAHA.
My review? Greg Lake's voice is like velvet. Did I say that already?
(Oh, and Steve Howe has to retire the lame "Wildest Dreams" intro; "Thank you Tokyo! This is amazing. It's really beyond our wildest dreams!" Bah! Ba-na-na-NA-NA! Bah! Ba-na-na-NA-NA!)
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I don't know if this is the right place (or the Yes thread) but I've been listening to the Asia In Asia box set I got. It's got the satellite broadcast as originally aired, it's got a remixed version of the video from the broadcast (with the full set; at least three songs were cut from the broadcast), a CD of the full set remix, and a CD of the full run dry run the night before.
This is the live show from the Budokan in Tokyo with Greg Lake subbing in for John Wetton. Holy shit is it way better than I had remembered. Greg Lake's voice is just velvet. Steve Howe is on fire. Yeah, Geoff Downes looks kind of douchey running back and forth behind Carl Palmer with 2,943 keyboards, of which I think he uses four, but it's such a good, well-played show. Greg Lake is the star though; the liner notes make clear the band had just gotten off the last leg of their Alpha tour, and were tight, but he had to jump in to replace the MIA John Wetton (fired/quit) but he plays and sings flawlessly. I'm always impressed by that level of professionalism and competency. I think Asia was about Wetton's writing, but it would have been interesting to see what it looked like with Lake (accounts differ as to why it didn't continue with Lake).
I thought there was an Asia thread around here somewhere.
Anyway, odd that you mention this box. I ordered this from overseas at a ridiculous price after Christmas. Shipping it here cost more than it's markdown price. (Haven't opened it yet because I need to make room for it on the shelf.
What I really wanted was the CD of the show and rehearsal and planned to get those as standalones but I couldn't pass up the box at that price. (Have the Enso Kai CD which is the soundtrack to the original concert.)
But yeah, that band was on fire. Sadly, it's the only proshot document from those years and it's also the only professionally recorded from that period. Lake doesn't have Wetton's range but he does a great job. As much as I like it I really wish there was one from this period with Wetton. You would have figured they would have been recorded by King Biscuit Superstars In Concert Westwood One or some other company like so many bands from that era were. The performances easily blew away anything on the records.
I listen to this show at least a half dozen times a year and as much as I love the audio, it will be great to see the video again (I only ever watched this on You Tube)
Just need to find some room on the shelf or some other place to put it. (I don't even care about the vinyl and other doodads. The CDs/DVD were the must haves.)
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I don't know if this is the right place (or the Yes thread) but I've been listening to the Asia In Asia box set I got. It's got the satellite broadcast as originally aired, it's got a remixed version of the video from the broadcast (with the full set; at least three songs were cut from the broadcast), a CD of the full set remix, and a CD of the full run dry run the night before.
This is the live show from the Budokan in Tokyo with Greg Lake subbing in for John Wetton. Holy shit is it way better than I had remembered. Greg Lake's voice is just velvet. Steve Howe is on fire. Yeah, Geoff Downes looks kind of douchey running back and forth behind Carl Palmer with 2,943 keyboards, of which I think he uses four, but it's such a good, well-played show. Greg Lake is the star though; the liner notes make clear the band had just gotten off the last leg of their Alpha tour, and were tight, but he had to jump in to replace the MIA John Wetton (fired/quit) but he plays and sings flawlessly. I'm always impressed by that level of professionalism and competency. I think Asia was about Wetton's writing, but it would have been interesting to see what it looked like with Lake (accounts differ as to why it didn't continue with Lake).
I feel like I knew Lake subbed in for Asia at some point but I didn't realize there was recordings available. So they were half-Yes and two-thirds ELP at one point? Could've called themselves YELP. :lol
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HAHA.
My review? Greg Lake's voice is like velvet. Did I say that already?
(Oh, and Steve Howe has to retire the lame "Wildest Dreams" intro; "Thank you Tokyo! This is amazing. It's really beyond our wildest dreams!" Bah! Ba-na-na-NA-NA! Bah! Ba-na-na-NA-NA!)
Sure is Mr. Personality isn't he? You notice that Howe's solo would become Sketches In The Sun three years later on the GTR album?
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I did. I'm indifferent on Howe. I don't really like HIM that much, based on what I've read that he's said, but he's undeniably a great guitarist (though, notably, when I saw Asia with Wetton, he made a LOT of mistakes).
Love the set, though. It's everything you've asked for. There are differences between the CDs and the broadcast, though, albeit minor ones. I now have on my hard drive both CDs (one is the remix of the full set of the broadcast show and one is the night before "rehearsal"), I have the original laser disk audio, and the original broadcast audio (there are some differences; the broadcast has Mark Goodman talking over the space before Sole Survivor, as well as an awkward interview with band as soon as they left the stage).
BTW, Mark Goodman is a tool. God was he awkward.
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I did. I'm indifferent on Howe. I don't really like HIM that much, based on what I've read that he's said, but he's undeniably a great guitarist (though, notably, when I saw Asia with Wetton, he made a LOT of mistakes).
Love the set, though. It's everything you've asked for. There are differences between the CDs and the broadcast, though, albeit minor ones. I now have on my hard drive both CDs (one is the remix of the full set of the broadcast show and one is the night before "rehearsal"), I have the original laser disk audio, and the original broadcast audio (there are some differences; the broadcast has Mark Goodman talking over the space before Sole Survivor, as well as an awkward interview with band as soon as they left the stage).
BTW, Mark Goodman is a tool. God was he awkward.
I'm partial to Allan Hunter myself. I figured there would be some minor differences. This has always been a must have show for me. Never saw the band so I was always blown away by the energy of the performance. They really brought those songs to life. I just wish that wasn't the only professional live document from those years but they weren't really "hot" for that long all things considered.
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Some tour dates have started to leak for a band called “Beat” featuring Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Danny Carey, and Steve Vai.
https://www.ticketmaster.com/beat-belew-vai-levin-carey-san-diego-california-09-17-2024/event/0A00605B216A46C9
https://humphreysconcerts.com/schedule.cfm/%20https:/jeffpetersonguitar.com/index.cfm
BEAT - Belew/Vai/Levin/Carey play 80s King Crimson!
Former King Crimson members ADRIAN BELEW and TONY LEVIN band together with guitar virtuoso STEVE VAI and explosive Tool drummer DANNY CAREY for the first time to create BEAT, a creative reinterpretation of the three iconic 80s KING CRIMSON albums - Discipline, Beat, and Three Of A Perfect Pair.
Only the greatest players in the world would take on the challenge of performing this incredibly influential music.
Prepare yourself for the experience of a lifetime with BEAT performing the 80s music of KING CRIMSON!
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Interesting. Steve Vai feels like he sort of sticks out a bit from that group, but I’m sure he’s capable of doing whatever.
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I think Vai is an excellent choice as the other guitarist (the "Fripp" of the group). He's technically proficient, and he and Belew are both alumni of Frank Zappa's bands back in the 70's and 80's. I'm looking forward to hearing what they come up with.
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I think Vai is an excellent choice as the other guitarist (the "Fripp" of the group). He's technically proficient, and he and Belew are both alumni of Frank Zappa's bands back in the 70's and 80's. I'm looking forward to hearing what they come up with.
True, forgot that Belew also played with Zappa.
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I hope Steve plays sitttng down, like Fripp.
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i hope this tour comes to me, i would see this show in a second
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I think Vai is an excellent choice as the other guitarist (the "Fripp" of the group). He's technically proficient, and he and Belew are both alumni of Frank Zappa's bands back in the 70's and 80's. I'm looking forward to hearing what they come up with.
True, forgot that Belew also played with Zappa.
Zappa's Sheik Yerbouti album with the minor hit "Dancing Fool" back in '79 was my intro to the great Adrian Belew. That opening guitar chord on "Dancing Fool" is pure Adrian. A few years later, we'd heard that Fripp had reformed King Crimson and added a second guitarist, and it was none other than Adrian Belew. I think Zappa credited Steve Vai as his first "stunt guitarist" but Adrian was really the first; Zappa just hadn't come up with the term for it yet.
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Fripp approves
https://www.loudersound.com/news/robert-fripp-endorses-new-adrian-belew-crimson-project-beat
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That's cool! I've read a little bit about maybe some bad blood between Robert and Adrian, and honestly didn't dig into it because I try to avoid that kind of thing, but if Fripp officially "blesses" the project, that's very cool. I mean, it's not required or anything, but it's nice to have.
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I've read a little bit about maybe some bad blood between Robert and Adrian
Yeah I definitely got that vibe from Adrian in the recent documentary. He seemed really disappointed about not being asked back when KC returned in 2013. He tried to reunite the 80's lineup in 2011, but Bruford had retired and I guess Fripp just wasn't interested.
And then there was this from 2017. Fripp said:
"Adrian has also agreed to be King Crimson's Ninth Man."
https://www.dgmlive.com/news/Belew%20now%209th%20Man
Obviously that never happened, but I would have loved to see him in the recent version of KC alongside Jakko. Jakko could sing the older songs, from Court to Red, and Adrian could do the rest. The band has 3 drummers, so 3 guitarists certainly wouldn't have been out of the question.
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Fripp is a weird guy who seems to burn bridges for no apparent reason with people, but I think I read somewhere that he and Belew did patch things up after Belew got shut out of the last lineup.
(I guess that was the 2017 9th man thing, but I thought I remembered something more recent).
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Would love to see the tour but I guess it will be US only?
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Some tour dates have started to leak for a band called “Beat” featuring Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Danny Carey, and Steve Vai.
https://www.ticketmaster.com/beat-belew-vai-levin-carey-san-diego-california-09-17-2024/event/0A00605B216A46C9
https://humphreysconcerts.com/schedule.cfm/%20https:/jeffpetersonguitar.com/index.cfm
BEAT - Belew/Vai/Levin/Carey play 80s King Crimson!
Former King Crimson members ADRIAN BELEW and TONY LEVIN band together with guitar virtuoso STEVE VAI and explosive Tool drummer DANNY CAREY for the first time to create BEAT, a creative reinterpretation of the three iconic 80s KING CRIMSON albums - Discipline, Beat, and Three Of A Perfect Pair.
Only the greatest players in the world would take on the challenge of performing this incredibly influential music.
Prepare yourself for the experience of a lifetime with BEAT performing the 80s music of KING CRIMSON!
I'll travel 150 miles to see this. Looks like I'll have to deal with Ticket Bastard if I do.
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I'd actually enjoy seeing that tour. Fingers crossed for some European dates.
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Fingers crossed it becomes a whole tour. 80s Crimson is my favorite era of the band even though I'd call Red my favorite album. Seeing Adrian and Tony play together would be a dream.
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For me, what seals the deal on this project is Steve Vai on guitar. Though I'm not the biggest fan of his, he's one of the few people that would do Fripp's parts justice. He would approach it truly seriously.
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Oh, that sounds like a fantastic show!
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Now, if they played the Wetton material only, I'd be there!
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I can't see that happening at all. This band is a tribute to the 80's lineup, which was a deliberate departure from the late 70's Wetton-era lineup.
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I can't see that happening at all. This band is a tribute to the 80's lineup, which was a deliberate departure from the late 70's Wetton-era lineup.
No, understood. My point was a veiled "I don't quite get the reverence for the 80s lineup" comment. I think Discipline is one of the best SOUNDING records in my collection (of over 2,500) but I haven't listened to Beat or Three Of A Perfect Pair in ages. I'm not even sure I OWN Three Of A Perfect Pair. Having said that, I could listen to "Fracture" every day if I had to.
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I can't see that happening at all. This band is a tribute to the 80's lineup, which was a deliberate departure from the late 70's Wetton-era lineup.
No, understood. My point was a veiled "I don't quite get the reverence for the 80s lineup" comment. I think Discipline is one of the best SOUNDING records in my collection (of over 2,500) but I haven't listened to Beat or Three Of A Perfect Pair in ages. I'm not even sure I OWN Three Of A Perfect Pair. Having said that, I could listen to "Fracture" every day if I had to.
The 84 Live in Japan DVD is what got me into them. You should check out the Live at Frejus show (82). One of the coolest openers you'll ever see. It's only 7 songs, I think, but watching them do what they were doing really adds a lot to it, I think. That said, it still has a lot of that Talking Heads vibe, so if that's what you don't connect with then it probably won't move you much.
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The 80s era to me is the perfect combo of good songwriting and sonic experimentation. It feels like a magical combo in a way the other incarnations don't, even if there's some great music there.
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I just love the sound of those three albums. Just something really unique about them. But also some really great songs as well.
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I can't see that happening at all. This band is a tribute to the 80's lineup, which was a deliberate departure from the late 70's Wetton-era lineup.
No, understood. My point was a veiled "I don't quite get the reverence for the 80s lineup" comment. I think Discipline is one of the best SOUNDING records in my collection (of over 2,500) but I haven't listened to Beat or Three Of A Perfect Pair in ages. I'm not even sure I OWN Three Of A Perfect Pair. Having said that, I could listen to "Fracture" every day if I had to.
The 84 Live in Japan DVD is what got me into them. You should check out the Live at Frejus show (82). One of the coolest openers you'll ever see. It's only 7 songs, I think, but watching them do what they were doing really adds a lot to it, I think. That said, it still has a lot of that Talking Heads vibe, so if that's what you don't connect with then it probably won't move you much.
And that right there is enough to get me to go back and put on... In The Court Of The Crimson King. HAHAHAHAHA. Not a fan of the Heads.
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The 80's King Crimson was yet another band that started as something else. Originally the band was to be called Discipline, but at some point Fripp decided that it was "worthy" of the King Crimson moniker. So yeah, it's pretty different from what came before it.
I've seen comments elsewhere that this band was trying to be like Talking Heads or something. I don't think any band "tries" to be like another band. Adrian played with the Heads and some of their sound came from him, so I suppose the comparisons were inevitable, but I've never listened to a lot of Talking Heads so the comparison was lost on me.
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That 80s era just made some wonderful, intricate, thought-provoking music.
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i don't think 80s KC sounds like Talking Heads at all. i think what orbert said makes sense given that AB was in both bands. but the approach of the Heads was always Byrne's insane mind, while the approach to KC was Fripp + company purposely trying to push music boundaries. there may be some resulting overlap in sound but i think the intention of each band is wildly different
AB was also in Zappa's band, and Bowie's band, and i wouldn't compare either of those artists to KC either
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There are some shared elements between 80s KC and Talking Heads for sure. But Crimson was still doing their own thing.
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Elephant Talk and Thela Hun Ginjeet both sound pretty Talking Heads to me, but still undeniably KC.
I do love the 80’s era of KC, but I get why someone who prefers the 70’s stuff wouldn’t like it.
Starless —> Elephant Talk is a pretty jarring transition if you’re listening to their catalog chronologically.
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It is almost a whole new band, but then there are certainly characteristics of KC that show through in both the 70s and 80s (and beyond) albums. At the end of the day it's still Robert Fripp doing all kinds of weird Robert Fripp stuff.
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i don't think 80s KC sounds like Talking Heads at all. i think what orbert said makes sense given that AB was in both bands. but the approach of the Heads was always Byrne's insane mind, while the approach to KC was Fripp + company purposely trying to push music boundaries. there may be some resulting overlap in sound but i think the intention of each band is wildly different
AB was also in Zappa's band, and Bowie's band, and i wouldn't compare either of those artists to KC either
I repeat myself when under stress!
Overall I don't think KC sounds much like the TH, but Adrian Belew certainly does. The songs where he's most prominant are the ones that always make me think of that. Referring to the Frejus concert I recommended to Stadler, I didn't pick up on it until NaJaM, and as soon as he starts singing that's what I hear, yet the rest of the song sounds like textbook Crimson.
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No, understood. My point was a veiled "I don't quite get the reverence for the 80s lineup" comment. I think Discipline is one of the best SOUNDING records in my collection (of over 2,500) but I haven't listened to Beat or Three Of A Perfect Pair in ages. I'm not even sure I OWN Three Of A Perfect Pair. Having said that, I could listen to "Fracture" every day if I had to.
The 84 Live in Japan DVD is what got me into them. You should check out the Live at Frejus show (82). One of the coolest openers you'll ever see. It's only 7 songs, I think, but watching them do what they were doing really adds a lot to it, I think. That said, it still has a lot of that Talking Heads vibe, so if that's what you don't connect with then it probably won't move you much.
That is the shit. Definitely a Talking Heads from Belew for obvious reasons but it's so much more than that. Oddly enough, my least favorite Crimson era was pre-Wetton, but after seeing that music brought to live with Jakko and the triple threat drums and percussion. Least favorite era now is probably the "double duo" era without Tony Levin.
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There are some shared elements between 80s KC and Talking Heads for sure. But Crimson was still doing their own thing.
Totally.
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Looks like Robert Fripp has joined OnlyFans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahyxR_v5otA
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I don't think of Fripp/KC as a very humorous band so this was both disturbing and pretty funny
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I don't think of Fripp/KC as a very humorous band so this was both disturbing and pretty funny
I think Fripp has a pretty robust sense of humor; some of those COVID videos with his wife are hilarious.
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That OnlyFans video, while obviously an April Fools joke, is disturbing :lol
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Everything Robert Fripp does is amazing. Even when it's total shite, it's still amazing.
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Beat Tour dates! Tickets on sale April 5th: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/steve-vai-tool-danny-carey-king-crimson-beat-tour-1234996077/amp/
Belew mentions that he picked out 14 tunes but they're still finalizing a set. Speculate away! My guesses/wishlist (no order of preference):
1. Elephant Talk
2. Frame By Frame
3. Three of a Perfect Pair
4. Larks Tongues pt 3
5. Thela Hun Ginjeet
6. Indiscipline
7. Discipline
8. Sleepless
9. Industry
10. Absent Lovers
11. The Howler
12. Matte Kudasai
13. Heartbeat
14. Neal and Jack and Me
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Tour stop in Durham = HELL YES
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Pre-sale code here:
https://x.com/THEadrianbelew/status/1775161272192966810?s=20
stay tuned! I'm going to be posting an account of how all this came about. BEAT has me so excited!
As a thank you to our fans, here’s a presale code for you.
Password: BEATTOUR
https://beat-tour.com
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That Richmond date is a maybe.
Even though this all about the 80’s era, I wonder if they’ll play any of the 70’s material that the 80’s lineup played. Like The Talking Drum, Larks’ 2, and Red.
EDIT: The 80's band never played The Talking Drum. The 90's band did. I apologize for this egregious error.
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That Richmond date is a maybe.
Even though this all about the 80’s era, I wonder if they’ll play any of the 70’s material that the 80’s lineup played. Like The Talking Drum, Larks’ 2, and Red.
Red always seemed to be a staple; it would actually get me to go to hear Vai and Carey on "Fracture".
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Here's Rick Beato interviewing the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQM09t5E2c
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Here's Rick Beato interviewing the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQM09t5E2c
OH wow. I know what I'm watching at lunch lol
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Red always seemed to be a staple; it would actually get me to go to hear Vai and Carey on "Fracture".
I'd wager that Fripp's playing in Fracture goes a step too far into the "relentless" category for Vai/most humans.
That interview was absolutely the best thing Beato's done. LOVED every minute of it!
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Pre-sale code here:
https://x.com/THEadrianbelew/status/1775161272192966810?s=20
got a presale code with this, thank you!!
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Snagged front row balc for the Dallas show at a pretty reasonable price. Depending on how other tours line up I'll likely be catching this elsewhere. Seems like the sort of thing I want to see a few times. I'm rather fond of NE in the Fall, so that's definitely in the mix.
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The SF (actually SJ) is a week after Prog Power...I'm gonna have to think about this one.
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Here's Rick Beato interviewing the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQM09t5E2c
This was a really great interview.
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got my ticket for minneapolis 11/4, day before election day, lol.
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Got tickets for october
Never saw Vai before and never saw Belew before. And I love 80's KC so I'm very excited. This is a cool iteration to see the 80's material performed.
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Tour stop in Durham = HELL YES
I've never seen a prog band do two NC dates. Have some emotional whiplash of being sad theyd be too far for me to travel to being thrilled I get to see Tony really show his stuff. Got my ticket already! :metal
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I hope they add Waiting Man into that list. That's probably my favorite tune of this lineup. That list looks solid though. Me and a few of my bandmates are going to the Indianapolis show. That will be awesome!
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I really hope they do a european tour next year. I really want to see this live
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I hope they add Waiting Man into that list. That's probably my favorite tune of this lineup. That list looks solid though. Me and a few of my bandmates are going to the Indianapolis show. That will be awesome!
Yes! Waiting Man was the song that hooked me on 80s Crimson. It’s a great pop song but the underlying instrumentation is mind blowing.
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I hope they add Waiting Man into that list. That's probably my favorite tune of this lineup. That list looks solid though. Me and a few of my bandmates are going to the Indianapolis show. That will be awesome!
I hope so too. That seems like a no brainer and its one of my favorite songs.
I honestly just assumed they were going to play it.
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Tried to get tickets to this but apparently it's a hot show and the aftermarket has taken notice. We'll be rolling up a few hours before showtime I guess.