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Title: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Nick on July 19, 2013, 07:57:25 AM
Old one: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=71.0
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 19, 2013, 08:02:09 AM
NEW THREAD I BESEECH YOU
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on July 19, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
One thing I always wanted to ask: why do some forums start new threads after a while, like this?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 19, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
One thing I always wanted to ask: why do some forums start new threads after a while, like this?

Anal retention.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 19, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
Alright, Metallica. AJFA is their best effort. No doubt.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 19, 2013, 01:48:17 PM
Agreed. Justice may be the best thrash album ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 19, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
Na, Rust In Peace beats the shit out of Metallica's entire catalogue. That's just the truth.





Okay maybe not really. But RIP is the best thrash album ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 03:03:05 PM
Master Of Puppets > > > > And Justice For All.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 19, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Ride The Lightning > other music. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 03:55:59 PM
Other Music = Available.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on July 19, 2013, 05:59:42 PM
NEW THREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD-AH

Ride ze Lightning is the best of them IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 06:16:28 PM
Master beats Ride just by not having Escape on it.

Track by Track :

1. Fight VS Battery ? Even

2. Ride The Lightning VS Master ? Even - Master possibly edges it.

3. Thingy VS Bells. - Thingy wins this one for me

4. Fade VS Sanitarium. Even.

5. Trapped VS Disposable . Disposable easily

6. Escape Vs Leper. Leper easily.

7.Creep VS Orion. Orion wins this for me. Orion beats Ktulu in my book too.

8.Ktulu Vs Damage?  Ktulu possibly.


Additional : Damage VS Creep ? Even.

Ktulu Vs Orion ? Orion for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 19, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
(Ride = AJFA) > Master

Although I do like getting the bass out and jamming to KEA on occasion  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
I just can't understand how anyone could prefer And Justice For all to Master Of Puppets.

That's just me though  :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 19, 2013, 06:37:16 PM
Metallica was my favorite band until I heard Images & Words. Still love the metal masters though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 19, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
I just can't understand how anyone could prefer And Justice For all to Master Of Puppets.

That's just me though  :-\

Easy. More intricate writing and the darker vibe really appeals to some of us. Also, One is an epic for any occasion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
Intricate writing = songs that outstay their welcome by a considerable margin.

Darker vibe = shit production with horrible sounding guitars.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 19, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
I remember one time when my mom came into my room when I was like 9 and looked at my copy of Load and said something like "oh neat, its a lava lamp" referring to the cover.

I looked her dead in the eye and said "yeah, definitely..."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Because you knew what it was at 9 years old.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 19, 2013, 10:37:51 PM
Agreed. Justice may be the best thrash album ever.
Uh yeah, Justice is barely even thrash. And even if it was, there are about 100 thrash albums that I would probably prefer. The mix is hollow and there's like no energy in any of the songs other than Blackened, the second half of One, and Dyer's Eve.

Should we do the whole AJFA prog metal discussion as well while we're all here?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 19, 2013, 11:04:58 PM
Na, Rust In Peace beats the shit out of Metallica's entire catalogue. That's just the truth.





Okay maybe not really. But RIP is the best thrash album ever.

 ???

RIP is not even Megadeth's best album...much less best thrash album.     However...Holy Wars is possibly the best thrash *song* ever written.    But as an album, RIP is pretty spotty.   I personally prefer SFSGSW.   Much more solid album.   Not a weak song in the bunch.

As far as Metallica goes.   

Master = Ride >>> AJFA.

Even the day Justice came out...we (that is, the crowd I hung with) felt that the songwriting had improved...but the production sounded way too polished (seriously lacked the raw energy of the previous two albums) and at the same time, managed to sound way too thin and weak.    There are some amazing tracks...and not every album could be Puppets...but it was a step down.

Of course...thing took SEVERAL more steps back with the next effort.    A Metallica album you could DANCE to?   You have *got* to be kidding me.  :mehlin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on July 19, 2013, 11:34:32 PM
Intricate writing = songs that outstay their welcome by a considerable margin.

Darker vibe = shit production with horrible sounding guitars.
Have to agree here. AJFA is good but has a ton of flaws. One was never my favorite Metallica song, probably wouldn't even make my top ten.

Ride The Lightning is my favorite Metallica album, I really think that was their peak.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on July 19, 2013, 11:39:37 PM
1. Master of Puppets: Track title and Thing That Should Not Be are legendary and superb and are cute.
2. Ride The Lightning==And Justice For All: Extremely good albums that are also cute.
3. Kill Em All: Damned great album
4. Death Magnetic: So good, seriously.
5. Black Album: Pretty good.
6. Load/Reload: Good stuff in there, ranges from mediocre to a few fantastic tracks
7. St. Anger: Sweet Amber is on par for one of the best Metallica songs, the rest is great ideas that go on for too long.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 20, 2013, 01:01:17 AM
RIP is not even Megadeth's best album

It is. Easily. I really love most of their albums, but none of the others come close to RIP. It's just a perfect 10/10 album in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on July 20, 2013, 02:16:24 AM
I dunno, Countdown To Extinction comes pretty close. However, RIP has 3 songs that are better than anything on CTE.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WDADU on July 20, 2013, 02:31:06 AM
...And Justice For All just may be my favourite album of all-time. Come on, that album never lets up. And "To Live is to Die" is just plain fucking beautiful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on July 20, 2013, 02:38:02 AM
(really good)

1. Master of Puppets
2. And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning

(good)

4. Load
5. Kill 'Em All

(meh/ok)

6. The Black Album

(awful/horrible)

7. ReLoad
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WDADU on July 20, 2013, 02:53:22 AM
I actually think Load is better than the Blck aLbum. But, that's just me .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 20, 2013, 03:08:46 AM
IMO there's no way is Load better than The Black Album, although I'll certainly defend Load as not deserving as much hate as it gets.

I consider TBA their best album (for reals). I also think that many of the individual songs on Load are just as good, and as good as anything they've done from any era (Until It Sleeps and Hero of the Day are two of my favourite songs of all time. OF ALL TIME), but as whole albums, Load and Reload both seriously suffer from lack of culling.
As one album, I think Load/Reload could have been excellent (pending tracklist, of course). As two albums, I think it's a collection of some excellent songs padded out with a lot of filler. Load is better than Reload though.

I have started to appreciate Load (and to a lesser extent Reload) a lot more recently, and I do think it gets more hate than it deserves, but it just isn't consistent enough to compare to TBA to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 20, 2013, 03:24:18 AM
So yeah okay

1. Ride the Lightning
2. Master of Puppets
3. Kill 'Em All
4. Death Magnetic
5. ...And Justice For All
6. Reload
7. Metallica
8. Load
9. St. Anger
10. Lolol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 20, 2013, 04:29:03 AM
Load could be really good if about five of the filler songs were left off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on July 20, 2013, 04:35:05 AM
1. Ride The Lightning
2. Master Of Puppets
3. Metallica
4. And Justice For All
5. Load
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Death Magnetic
8. Reload
9. St Anger
10. Lulu
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 20, 2013, 04:43:05 AM
If all the cool kids are doing it (and Zydar)..........

1. The Black Album
2. And Justice For All (if it didn't have unlistenable balls production)
3. Kill 'Em All
4. Master Of Puppets
5. Load
6. Ride The Lightning
7. Reload
8. Death Magnetic
9. St Anger


More controversially, the only Metallica albums I listen to regularly are Black Album and Load/Reload. I'm not as much into the thrash side any more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 20, 2013, 04:46:28 AM
I don't listen to any of them regularly anymore, but okay:

1. And Justice For All
2. Master Of Puppets
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Black Album
5. Death Magnetic
6. Load
7. Kill Em All
8. Reload
9. Piece Of Shit
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 06:13:35 AM
I remember I recently listened to AJFA in it's entirety in one go.

Then I stuck on Sad But True from Metallica immediately afterwards.

:lol After listening to AJFA for an hour or so - the difference was just colossal.



( production wise only I mean - Metallica has infinitely superior production values )


My ranking :

1.Master Of Puppets. Best Metallica album and my favourite metal album ever.
2.Metallica. Awesome production and great songs
3.Ride. Would be as good as Master if not for Escape.
4.Load. Hugely under rated.
5.And Justice For All. Long winded and stale but decent songs.
6.Kill Em All. Full of classics. Shame about the recording.
7.Reload. Has some filler but I love it. Has Carpe DIem, Fixxxer and Where The Wild Things Are.
8.Death Magnetic. Again - shame about the recording but has decent songs.
9.St Anger. This is becoming a trend these days with Metallica. Decent songs let down by the recording.

10.Lulu. I don't consider this a Metallica album because it's a collab with Lou Reed. Has some genuinely good moments and nowhere near as awful as people make it out to be. Complaining about the vocals on a Lou Reed album is like complaining about the drumming on a White Stripes record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 20, 2013, 07:25:31 AM
AJFA would probably be my favorite Metallica album if it had better production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 07:34:51 AM
I agree. If it sounded lie either Metallica or Master Of Puppets and some of the songs were trimmed down slightly....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 20, 2013, 08:29:11 AM
Hi guys ;D

1. Ride the Lightning
2. And Justice for All
3. Kill Em All
4. Master of Puppets
5. Metallica
6. Death Magnetic

I haven't listened Load, Reload and St. Anger entirely yet...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 20, 2013, 08:44:02 AM
Because you knew what it was at 9 years old.

Well, my 22 year old uncle who gave me the CD, laughingly explained what it was when he gave it to me. He also laughed his ass off when he also gave me Tool's Ænima and showed me the guy going down on himself.

so yes, I did know what it was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on July 20, 2013, 09:37:54 AM
I was quite fortunate to not have a creepy uncle.


ESCAPE DEFENSE ACTIVATED.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Escape. I'll never understand the hate. It has great verse and chorus melodies, and is just killer all around. I wonder if Jon Schaffer likes the song...

Anyway, rankings:

Ride The Lightning
...And Justice For All
Master of Puppets
Metallica
Kill 'Em All.


Diarrhea






The rest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 20, 2013, 10:16:57 AM
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four"....   And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel.    Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's.   Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff.  It seemed more honest than what thrash had become.    I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me.   Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands.   Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album.  But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN.  (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier).    Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four.   But it also never really went anywhere.   They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying.   But they were really a "one trick pony".   But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My Metallica rankings:

1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Kill 'em All
4. ...And Justice for All




5. Death Magnetic
6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)



7. Metallica
8. Load/Reload
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 20, 2013, 11:24:39 AM

10.Lulu. I don't consider this a Metallica album because it's a collab with Lou Reed. Has some genuinely good moments and nowhere near as awful as people make it out to be. Complaining about the vocals on a Lou Reed album is like complaining about the drumming on a White Stripes record.

This.  I haven't listened to much of this album, but from what I've heard it's more a Lou Reed album that happens to have Metallica as the backing band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
That's what it is. Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies and even had a lot of the music already written. Metallica just beefed it up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 11:39:49 AM

6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)


I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD. It's not for long term listening but every now and then it's perfect listening for shitty moods.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on July 20, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
Master (my #3 album all-time)
Lightning (#16)
Justice (#48)
Metallica
Kill 'em All
Load
Death
Reload
St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 20, 2013, 04:36:46 PM
Album rankings?  Alright.

Ride the Lightning
Load (No, I'm not kidding)
Master of Puppets
Metallica
... And Justice For All
Kill 'Em All
Death Magnetic
Reload
St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 21, 2013, 03:01:39 AM
Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies

wat
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 21, 2013, 04:14:47 AM
Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies

wat
Yeah, what vocal melodies? All I can here is a goat moaning while James is fucking up whatever's left of his vocal cords again, like he did with So What in the early nineties. "I AM THE TABLE!"  is possibly the funniest line on any album Metallica have made or appeared on though.


Ranking:

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Black Album
4. Ride the Lightning
5. Load/Death Magnetic
6. Kill 'Em All
7. St. Anger
8. ReLoad

MoP and AFJA are really close, but AFJA has production that's absolutely rubbish, and Orion > TLITD and Damage, Inc > Dyers Eve. Load and Death Magnetic are equally good IMO. Kill 'Em All is great but isn't as mature as anything ranked above it. St. Anger is also great but it definitely has some flaws: production, the ugly snare sound, and most of the songs could've been a bit better. ReLoad is just a pale shadow of Load, with only a few good/great songs and a lot of songs that I don't care about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on July 21, 2013, 04:28:50 AM
My list is a little unusual, to say the least.

Black
Death Magnetic

Ride The Lightning
Master of Puppets

Reload
Kill 'em All
...And Justice For All
Load

St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 05:38:13 AM
LOL I AM TEH TABLEEEEEEE !!! OLOLOL

This joke has been beaten to death because people can't be bothered to find out the meaning behind the lyrics.










* However - at least the lyric isn't I AM THE POOF " :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 21, 2013, 05:48:01 AM
1. Black Album
2. Master of Puppets
3. Kill 'Em All
4. ...And Justice For All
5. Ride the Lightning
6. ReLoad
7. Load


9. Death Magnetic
10. St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 06:37:13 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 21, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 08:00:59 AM
It's also pretty solid lyrically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 08:18:16 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!

It's probably his most dynamic range on an album as far as singing, screaming and growling go but he does veer out of tune on many occasions. It does add to the whole vibe of it being spontaneous and raw though.

However - for best vocals on a CD i think Load takes the crown.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four"....   And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel.    Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's.   Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff.  It seemed more honest than what thrash had become.    I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me.   Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands.   Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album.  But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN.  (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier).    Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four.   But it also never really went anywhere.   They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying.   But they were really a "one trick pony".   But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My Metallica rankings:

1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Kill 'em All
4. ...And Justice for All




5. Death Magnetic
6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)



7. Metallica
8. Load/Reload

I agree with a lot of what you say. Great to see the love for SFSGSW, an incredible album, but you've got to give RiP its due.

My rankings:

Kill 'Em All
Justice
Master Of Puppets
Death Magnetic
Ride The Lightning
The Black Album
Load
St. Anger
ReLoad


Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2013, 08:29:35 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!

It's probably his most dynamic range on an album as far as singing, screaming and growling go but he does veer out of tune on many occasions. It does add to the whole vibe of it being spontaneous and raw though.

However - for best vocals on a CD i think Load takes the crown.

I think I'd agree with you on Load. His vocals are very melodic, and powerful and emotional on Load. That extends to some of Reload too, although Reload doesn't have as much of the good material on it imo.
The other contender for best Hetfield vocals would be The Black Album. He's singing actual melodies, and started layering vocals more, and still had the growly grit of the thrash era.

I don't agree on St Anger's vocals though. A lot of those vocals just make me wince. Too raw for my liking, with his voice cracking and breaking up and pitchy in many places. I get that's what they were going for, I just didn't like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 08:41:04 AM
Funny thing is I rarely care for the "raw" sound of bands and I love guitar solos.

Any way. Time to rank 'em all.

1. Master
2. Magnetic
3. Justice
4. Anger
5. Lightning
6. Load/Reload
7. Black
8. Kill
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2013, 08:49:08 AM
Whenever someone likes Death Magnetic, I die a little on the inside.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2013, 08:52:03 AM
Whenever someone likes Death Magnetic, I die a little on the inside.

Eh, even though it's a cheap imitation of their glory days, and the drumming and lead guitars are pretty bad, it's not St Anger levels of bad. I wouldn't put it in the ballpark of the first 5 albums though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: Metallica haters before 2008.
Metallica should make music like their first 4 albums.

Quote from: Metallica haters after 2008.
Metallica is trying too hard to recapture former glory by ripping themselves off.

Don't seem like they can win.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Moor on July 21, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
AJFA would probably be my favorite Metallica album if it had better production.

This. Jason Newsted was kept outside the studio  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2013, 09:46:31 AM
I think Load/ReLoad are both the kind of albums I appreciate because the band did what they wanted to do themselves, and even though you can argue about the result (I don't think Load is better than any of RTL, MoP or AJFA), it was still a good release, and the band did what they wanted to do. With Death Magnetic, personally I felt like it just lacked any energy or creativity. It basically felt like the band forced themselves into the studio to make a record tailor made after what the fans requested, with no real interest in going down that road again. Whatever they said themselves, Death Magnetic to me feels a bit like when a director is almost forced to come back to a movie-franchise he has no interest in continuing, so the result is just something to "get it over with" and shut people up.

And at least Load and Reload had variety and were different. Death Magnetic is pretty much a carbon copy of the classic albums, except it is 50 times worse.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2013, 09:51:25 AM
I think Load/ReLoad are both the kind of albums I appreciate because the band did what they wanted to do themselves, and even though you can argue about the result (I don't think Load is better than any of RTL, MoP or AJFA), it was still a good release, and the band did what they wanted to do. With Death Magnetic, personally I felt like it just lacked any energy or creativity. It basically felt like the band forced themselves into the studio to make a record tailor made after what the fans requested, with no real interest in going down that road again. Whatever they said themselves, Death Magnetic to me feels a bit like when a director is almost forced to come back to a movie-franchise he has no interest in continuing, so the result is just something to "get it over with" and shut people up.

And at least Load and Reload had variety and were different. Death Magnetic is pretty much a carbon copy of the classic albums, except it is 50 times worse.

I can't really disagree with any of that, although I still felt the result of Death Magnetic was overall ok. The biggest problem was forcing the song lengths to be long JUST LIKE JUSTICE-AHHHH, except Lars and Kirk can't pull off instrumental sections at all anymore, and they sound like they're about to fall apart at any moment.
But a lot of the general songwriting is alright imo. The whole approach was very forced though, and I'd rather they just evolve to do whatever suits them now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
Yeah god forbid anybody "try hard."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on July 21, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Master of Puppets is one of my favourite metal albums ever. I'm not a fan of thrash metal, the only real contender for the best thrash album ever is Arise by Sepultura.

Ranks:
1. Master of Puppets (pretty much perfect)
2. Load (I don't dislike any songs, + two epic tracks, Bleeding Me and The Outlaw Torn)
3. ...And Justice For All (aside production, a good album)
4. Metallica (I used to love it, but some songs just didn't bear the time)
5. ReLoad (not bad, some great tracks, but some fillers)
6. Ride the Lightning (don't like the production, and there are some songs I don't care about (Fight Fire, Bells, Trapped))
7. Death Magnetic (not bad either, but too long)

I haven't heard Metal Militia, so I left KEA out. It would be between ReLoad and RTL. And I haven't heard St.Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 21, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
Lightning
Puppets
Justice

Death
Kill'em
Black

Load / Reload (they aren't bad... just haven't listened really much)

LouLou
St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: FourthHorseman on July 21, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and ...And Justice For All should be the top three (no particular order) for everyone.

But that's just my opinion..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 12:16:12 PM
Justice would probably be in my top 3 if the production wasn't dreadful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 12:26:16 PM
Yeah god forbid anybody "try hard."


I think Death magnetic went beyond trying too hard and into the realms of beating an idea to death until the initial spark which made it great was unrecognisable.

[ if you listen to "Demo Magnetic" - you'll hear that some of the songs were much better in demo form than on the final CD ]


They over analyse way too much and if you've been in a  band - you should know that the initial version of an idea is usually the best and if you force something to fit then it invariably ends up sounding weak and forced.

The best songs are the ones that seem to write themselves and are formed from pure inspiration - not hammered into some kind of usable shape over months and months.

Metallica just need to be more spontaneous in the studio and not re-work and re-work and re-work ideas until they're stale.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 21, 2013, 03:51:46 PM
[if you listen to "Demo Magnetic" - you'll hear that some of the songs were much better in demo form than on the final CD]
I never paid much attention to Demo Magnetic, but as a result of your comment I listened to bits of songs from it and found that for example BB&S is much better on Demo Magnetic than on the final CD. Wow, that's cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 05:41:49 PM
The demo for All Nightmare Long has WAY more groove than the final version.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 21, 2013, 06:12:07 PM
I listened to most of Demo magnetic and was glad that I didn't feel like I had to turn the volume down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
I listened to most of Demo magnetic and was glad that I didn't feel like I had to turn the volume down.

Because the songs are better :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 21, 2013, 07:12:46 PM
1. MoP
2. AJFA
3. RTL
4. S/T
5. ReL
6. Load
7. DM
8. Kill
9. St. A
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on July 21, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
And Justice For All is one of my favorite albums of all time and is my favorite Metallica album. RTL and MOP are right there with it but I just prefer AJFA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on July 21, 2013, 07:42:39 PM
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four"....   And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel.    Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's.   Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff.  It seemed more honest than what thrash had become.    I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me.   Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands.   Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album.  But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN.  (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier).    Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four.   But it also never really went anywhere.   They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying.   But they were really a "one trick pony".   But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's funny, I pretty much agree with all of this now, but felt pretty differently at the time. I listened to SFSGSW a couple of weeks ago and still think it's their best album. Pretty much the only one I listen to anymore. Thought it week when it first came out. PoT and SoWN are the only Anthrax albums I still listen to, despite StD being a seminal album for me growing up. Side two of AtL is pretty solid, as well. Can't stand The Black Album, and while I like Lode and ReLoad a good deal, it's pretty much a different band altogether for me. Slayer just became to samey for me. Everything up to SitA is great. After that I couldn't tell you one album from another.

As for Metallica, the one thing I want to know is WTF they haven't released a remastered AJFA yet.

And just to annoy the youngsters here in the new thread:
(https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo299/000jesus/hetfield.gif?t=1249672620)
(https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo299/000jesus/burton.gif?t=1249672530)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ya...I officially hate you now.   :angel:  (j/k my friend)

I had tickets to see Metallica open for Ozzy in Seattle in July of '86.   My friends and I had heard that Ozzy was getting booed off the stage by Metallica fans, and we didn't dig "The Ultimate Sin" at all...or the hairspray look he had adopted, so we were going to go to the show and join the fun and hope we could get a few extra songs from our new favorite band....

Ozzy cancelled the show.   The official reason was "laryngitis", but I have my doubts.   The rumors were that Metallica fans were dominating the shows, and the backlash against the glam movement was beginning.   In any event, I know that we were not the only show that was mysteriously cancelled on that tour.

That would have been the last time anyone in Seattle would have seen Cliff alive.    He was killed just two months later.    Our only consolation was that they came back to make up for it...only this time they were HEADLINING.    (and I don't care what James said about GnR opening up the way to sell out arenas....that's complete BS.   They sold out the arena in Seattle in Dec '86!!)

I was at that show.   Metal Church opened, and it was about Jason's 12th(?) show.    Fantastic show.   Great times.   Still probably the greatest Metallica show I ever saw.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on July 21, 2013, 08:34:33 PM
Don't recall ever seeing Metal Church open for them (although my memory of that era is spotty, at best). I did see John Marshall play rhythm guitar for Metallica on two different occasions, though. Of all of the bands I've seen over the years, Metallica is where I always wind up with the most interesting stories.

Aside from those two shows, I spent all of the first Dallas Justice show at the barricade. Newstead gave me beer during the first beer break. During the second beer break I reached for another and he kicked my hand and said "don't be greedy!" He did give me a pick later, though.

During a later Summer Sanitarium gig, Hetfiled wasn't even in the country. They had a variety of guest singers come out, and Kid Rock's midget was running around the whole show screaming "yeah motherfucker!" in that little midget voice of his. Immediately after that stadium tour, as in 2 days after, they played two makeup gigs in Dallas and packed every single piece of their stadium rig under the shed at Starplex, and everything that couldn't fit went out on the lawn facing back in. Only show I've ever been to that was too loud for me. During One, the explosions would go off, and they were completely silent because the prerecorded gunfire and helicopter noise totally drowned them out. About halfway through I went out to the lawn for a while, and even that was so loud I went to the outer concourse for a couple of songs. Ears rang for 10 days after that. I was on the floor during the Theater of Pain Tour when Motley Crue claimed to break the world record for SPL at a rock concert, and that didn't come close to what Metallica did in an outdoor venue; not by a longshot.

Got to see another Sanitarium tour from on stage a few years later. During Fuel and Nothing Else Matters my host took me back to sit behind the drum riser. I'd been over in the VIP section where things were relatively calm, and he called me over just as Fuel started up, and they had flames erupting all over the stage like the inside of a V8. People are walking around like it's just no big deal at all, and I'm hunched down covering my head like the world's on fire. My host tells me "now don't move--anywhere!" Yeah, no shit.  :lol

There's actually a small, onstage dressing room immediately behind the drum kit where they can go for water, or to tend to their monitors and such, and they had a Make A Wish dying kid in there who got to see the whole show from 3' behind Ulrich. Thought that was pretty nice of them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 21, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
As for Metallica, the one thing I want to know is WTF they haven't released a remastered AJFA yet.

it's been remastered many times, they just don't advertise it. for instance, the label reissued all the albums for a Japanese release a few years ago (i think they were mini-LP sleeve replicas, or another one of those garbage cash grab sort of things) and they were all remastered to be approximately as brickwalled as St. Anger — it sounds awful, especially AJFA.

i'm pretty sure they've just been remastering the exact same needle drop used to press the first CD editions of the first four albums, too, which doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on July 21, 2013, 09:49:34 PM
There is supposed to be one Japanese import that stands out above the others, but even that's supposedly halfassed. The annoying thing is that it wouldn't take much effort for them to do it right. Hell, amateurs are doing mixes of the first two tracks from Rock Band that sound better than any official release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 22, 2013, 03:27:43 AM
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 05:25:38 AM
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 22, 2013, 07:24:29 AM
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.

That, although it would certainly need a better mastering to boot, because it's wonked in both.

The remixes people have done from the GH stems sound a ton better, although still a bit amateurish, and not the whole album. I would kill for a good version of that album, because the bass adds a lot. It's not just doubling the guitars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 22, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
Metallica just need to be more spontaneous in the studio and not re-work and re-work and re-work ideas until they're stale.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/Metallica_-_St._Anger_cover.jpg/220px-Metallica_-_St._Anger_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
 :facepalm: I FUCKING hate when people "disprove" your argument by presenting the WORST CASE SCENARIO.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 22, 2013, 11:10:56 AM
Oh Lars...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2013, 11:22:44 AM
Oh Lars...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Oh Kirk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Marion Crane on July 22, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
1. Load
2. MoP
3. Lightning
4. Black Album
5. Reload
6. Justice
7. DM
8. Kill
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 22, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Oh Lars...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Wow.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 01:11:47 PM

Oh Kirk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw

I knew it would be that clip.

Sometimes rhythms take a while to get into your brain. If it's a weird pattern that doesn't accent in the logical places then it can be really confusing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 22, 2013, 01:16:13 PM

Oh Kirk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw

I knew it would be that clip.

Sometimes rhythms take a while to get into your brain. If it's a weird pattern that doesn't accent in the logical places then it can be really confusing.
Yeah, I think we already discussed that clip some time (well, a lot of time) ago in the previous thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: FourthHorseman on July 22, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 22, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
Pantera was certainly a double agent in that war :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 06:12:29 PM
Let us be thankful that Het never fucked his voice up as badly as Phil Anselmo has.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 22, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal

Not to forget:

Raven
Overkill
Testament
Fates Warning
Exodus
Voivod
Kreator
Destruction
Sodom
Venom
Exciter
Dark Angel
Death
Nuclear Assault
Flotsam and Jetsam
Hirax
Sacred Reich
Trouble
Candlemass
Hallow's Eve
S.O.D
M.O.D
and Vio-Lence

Good times....   :angel:

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
I don't yet have Reload or St. Anger, but figured I'd go ahead and post my list and create some controversy now.

1. Ride the Lightning - Perfect fusion of energy and melody. Not a single bad song (Escape is awesome go away), and Ktulu, Fade and Bellz are all among their best.
2. Death Magnetic - Combines the technicality of the 80s releases with maturity. Again, no bad songs (My Apocalypse is awesome go away) and The End of the Line, The Day that Never Comes and The Unforgiven III (really) are favorites. Production sucks but there are... alternatives.
3. …And Justice For All - The production is bad and Eye of the Beholder really isn't that special, but One and To Live Is To Die are top-notch for the band.
4. Load - The Black Album is more consistent, but this one has higher highs with Bleeding Me and The Outlaw Torn, which are both among the band's best. Poor Twisted Me and Wasting My Hate didn't really need to happen, though.
5. The Black Album - It is what it is. 12 excellent songs. I love Nothing Else Matters regardless of how often it's played and The Unforgiven through NEM is a GREAT run.
6. Master of Puppets - Sue me. Puppets has Thingy, Sanitarium and Orion going for it, but… Where did the melody go? Ride was a clinic in how to do a very heavy style of music with some great melody, and aside from Orion, this album almost entirely lacks in it.
7. Kill 'Em All - There was a time when I swore THIS was my favorite of theirs. But that was my (fortunately brief) "Only tr00 metal" period. Kill shows promise and you can definitely see Ride and Justice and all the other greats in this album, but it is not nearly at their level. The outright juvenile lyrics also grate.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 22, 2013, 08:14:16 PM
I do like the Unforgivens.  I actually prefer II to I and III is pretty good as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
II is the best themforgivens  :metal

III should have been left off Death Magnetic and they should have worked a bit harder on Just A Bullet Away
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2013, 08:36:45 PM
I think if anything from Beyond Magnetic should have made the album, it should have been Rebel of Babylon. But the 10 songs on the album are the 10 best of that 14, I think. Just barely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 08:38:14 PM
At least DM gave us All Nightmare Long & That Was Just Your Life. Two future Metallica classics. Cyanide was a very good intro to the album too.

Although I can't recall if they debuted Cyanide live before or after they released The Day That Never Comes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 22, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
Personally, I've come to really like Unforgiven III.  It's not nearly as good as the other Unforgivens, but it's good enough that I would rather have it than anything from Beyond Magnetic. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on July 22, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
Unforgiven III is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
Unforgiven III is by FAR my least favourite song on Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 22, 2013, 10:56:52 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal

Your memory has a strange way of warping history.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 23, 2013, 01:05:44 AM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Wait....what? All those bands existed during the 80s. You should take a listen to Panteras first release. The glam scene basically dried out in the early 90s and it was pretty easy for the grunge scene to kill it last breath but they basically also in the process strangeld the metal scene to become an underground movement which of course as you say helped build a new generation of metal acts. There are/will of course always be exceptions to the rule.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on July 23, 2013, 02:15:19 PM
Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!

#stillbetterthantool
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 23, 2013, 05:51:55 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 23, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!

#stillbetterthantool

Not a hard feat.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: FourthHorseman on July 24, 2013, 01:05:13 AM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 24, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Metallica is still one of my favorite bands and always will be one my favorite bands. I listened to MOP and AJFA yesterday and yeah, the magic is still there. I can't imagine myself getting tired of listening to Orion, what a friggin' nice song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 24, 2013, 04:48:37 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.

Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start.    Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 24, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.

Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start.    Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more. 

Whitesnake's S/T is by far their most popular / well known album to this day, and they only did one album after that before they stopped and grunge set in. Ozzy Osbourne remained popular throughout the '80s, with all of those albums going multi-platinum.
I don't see any correlation between glam and thrash, or any real evidence that people were jumping from glam to thrash. They're entirely different genres. The only trend I see is grunge becoming popular, which had an impact on most rock/metal, including glam and thrash.

Sometimes I wonder if DTF is using bizarro-wikipedia or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 12:21:28 AM
Or Uncyclopedia.


Their article on Alliteration  has to be seen :lol

Every single word in the entire article begins with the letter A. :lol

Outstanding. https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alliteration
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 25, 2013, 04:27:52 AM
Yeah, I don't understand this thrash/glam discussion at all. Sure, the bands probably weren't fans of each other, but neither side ever "killed" the other side. Grunge killed them both at the same time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 25, 2013, 05:56:04 AM
Looks like Metallica's next album will be called "Revisionist History"?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 25, 2013, 06:50:53 AM
Yeah, I don't understand this thrash/glam discussion at all. Sure, the bands probably weren't fans of each other, but neither side ever "killed" the other side. Grunge killed them both at the same time.
Thrash bands seemed to have a much higher rate of survival than glam bands though.

And glam killed itself, too many bands, too much over-saturation for too long a time, grunge just gave it that final, little push to send it careening down the stairs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 25, 2013, 07:15:17 AM
The record labels and MTV killed glam.

Fixed that one there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 25, 2013, 04:17:51 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.

Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start.    Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more. 

Whitesnake's S/T is by far their most popular / well known album to this day, and they only did one album after that before they stopped and grunge set in. Ozzy Osbourne remained popular throughout the '80s, with all of those albums going multi-platinum.
I don't see any correlation between glam and thrash, or any real evidence that people were jumping from glam to thrash. They're entirely different genres. The only trend I see is grunge becoming popular, which had an impact on most rock/metal, including glam and thrash.

Sometimes I wonder if DTF is using bizarro-wikipedia or something.

I was just part of the crowd, at the concerts, listening to fans, talking to people....hearing them talk about how pissed they were that the bands they loved just a few years ago had "pussed out" on them.    Many of the people I talked to were between the ages of 14 and 18...and were expressing a feeling of betrayal. 

I wasn't following sales...I was in the audience, listening to the bands, and my peers. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on July 25, 2013, 05:41:14 PM
Okay boys and girls, sit down. Let Uncle Jaq tell you a story.

No, not one of those, Kev, hush.

See, it's like this.

The notion that the 80s was all "scenes" and people abandoned subgenre x for the purity of subgenre y? Is totally an invention of the post-80s explosion of subgenres. Oh, sure, you had elitists back then that insisted that certain bands were better, or more "true", or more whatever, but in the 80s? We were heavy metal fans. The stark delineations of "glam" and "thrash" and all that which people insist was a thing? Didn't happen. You could have in your collection Poison's Look What The Cat Dragged In, the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, Diamond Head's Lightning to the Nations, Master of Puppets, and Quiet Riot's Metal Health, and people wouldn't even bat an eye at you.

I know, because I owned every one of those albums.

Yeah, back then you had people who liked a band and thought people who liked other bands were poseurs and wimps and whatnot. That's never going to change. But back in 1987, every metal head I knew-every fucking one of them-liked Whitesnake's self titled, and not just for the videos. The war between thrash and glam was largely created after the fact by a few journalists and guys in bands trying to overstate the importance of their legacies. Truth was, in the actual world of metal, you could and did like both Slayer and Ratt.

Thrash had nothing to do with killing glam metal, for what it's worth. For one thing, the number of thrash bands with legitimate, chart topping success could be counted on your fingers. The reason why the Big Four was the Big Four? They were successful. For another, the supposed death of glam by grunge was simply record labels finally finding something else to move on to. Glam as a commercial force largely was spent by 1990, with only a few bands having the success of the bands in the mid-80s. Grunge finally gave them an excuse to jettison the dozens of big hair metallers that hadn't been making them money. The writing was on the wall for Glam by 1990, it just took the labels two years to see it.

Trust me, guys. I was there. Anyone who was there and says different is a minority. Metal really was different back then. And oddly enough, far more open minded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 25, 2013, 05:51:54 PM
Okay boys and girls, sit down. Let Uncle Jaq tell you a story.

No, not one of those, Kev, hush.

See, it's like this.

The notion that the 80s was all "scenes" and people abandoned subgenre x for the purity of subgenre y? Is totally an invention of the post-80s explosion of subgenres. Oh, sure, you had elitists back then that insisted that certain bands were better, or more "true", or more whatever, but in the 80s? We were heavy metal fans. The stark delineations of "glam" and "thrash" and all that which people insist was a thing? Didn't happen. You could have in your collection Poison's Look What The Cat Dragged In, the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, Diamond Head's Lightning to the Nations, Master of Puppets, and Quiet Riot's Metal Health, and people wouldn't even bat an eye at you.

I know, because I owned every one of those albums.

Yeah, back then you had people who liked a band and thought people who liked other bands were poseurs and wimps and whatnot. That's never going to change. But back in 1987, every metal head I knew-every fucking one of them-liked Whitesnake's self titled, and not just for the videos. The war between thrash and glam was largely created after the fact by a few journalists and guys in bands trying to overstate the importance of their legacies. Truth was, in the actual world of metal, you could and did like both Slayer and Ratt.

Thrash had nothing to do with killing glam metal, for what it's worth. For one thing, the number of thrash bands with legitimate, chart topping success could be counted on your fingers. The reason why the Big Four was the Big Four? They were successful. For another, the supposed death of glam by grunge was simply record labels finally finding something else to move on to. Glam as a commercial force largely was spent by 1990, with only a few bands having the success of the bands in the mid-80s. Grunge finally gave them an excuse to jettison the dozens of big hair metallers that hadn't been making them money. The writing was on the wall for Glam by 1990, it just took the labels two years to see it.

Trust me, guys. I was there. Anyone who was there and says different is a minority. Metal really was different back then. And oddly enough, far more open minded.

I'm not worked up...I'm just stating what I lived through from 1983-1988.  (I was born in late '69...so I'm talking about the time in my life from 13-18).   I knew guys who were actively *pissed* at Iron Maiden for introducing synths on SiT.     This isn't something I invented in retrospect...I'm talking about my memories *of that time*. 

Heck, I remember being at a Celtic Frost show, and many people there were talking about how Metallica was *already* selling out with Puppets....I disagreed...but the fans who felt that way were out there. 

I didn't like IM introducing synths at first...but SSoaSS was amazing...and I couldn't find ANYONE to agree with me.   Why?  Everyone was still pissed about the synths. 

I knew people who loved "glam" and a few people who loved "thrash"...I personally didn't see a lot of line crossing...but there were a few exceptions. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on July 25, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
So today is the 30th anniversary of the release of Kill Em All :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 06:16:13 PM
Looks like Metallica's next album will be called "Revisionist History"?


That's why they're Stalin :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 26, 2013, 07:50:23 PM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 26, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.


NICE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 27, 2013, 02:59:40 AM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.


NICE
This!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 27, 2013, 07:46:37 AM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.

I don't think my expectations for the upcoming album will be very high, but I'll definitely check it out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 27, 2013, 07:49:55 AM
To be honest, I'd rather see Metallica tour again. They haven't been to the UK for a while and I'd be quite happy to see the same old classics again. I can't imagine the new album will top DM (which I actually thought was quite good).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 27, 2013, 09:40:57 AM
DM and St Anger both suffer from " Would have been great if they'd been produced well. "

Give St. Anger Black Album production and it would have been awesome.

Something like this : https://open.spotify.com/track/3OQzljlfWDjM9S9l8b0JGz   \m/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 27, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on July 27, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Or Uncyclopedia.


Their article on Alliteration  has to be seen :lol

Every single word in the entire article begins with the letter A. :lol

Outstanding. https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alliteration
I laughed my ass off in the Metallica article. Dunno why it was taken off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 27, 2013, 10:02:58 PM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

This is the true problem. DM could have been saved if it had better production, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.

I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 28, 2013, 12:31:04 AM
Yeah, Death Magnetic could be much better with decent mixing and whatnot, but there is absolutely nothing that could save St. Anger. What a fucking mess of an album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 06:34:07 AM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.

I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.

Even in the GH3 versions - The rhythm guitar sounds really weak and fizzy. This is a massive error when you have James Hetfield in the band - who usually gets colossal rhythm tones.

The next album *has* to have good production. Sonically - Lulu was a huge improvement - the guitars and drums at least sound massive.

It's kind of a relief to know that they can still make decent sounding albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 06:40:19 AM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.

I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.

Even in the GH3 versions - The rhythm guitar sounds really weak and fizzy. This is a massive error when you have James Hetfield in the band - who usually gets colossal rhythm tones.

I really like the guitar tone on it. The guitars are maybe mixed a *touch* too low, and the lack of proper mastering (good mastering, that is) makes it sound thinner and weaker than an official release too, but I'd still be more than happy for their next album to sound as good as the GH3 versions. It would still be better than 95% of modern metal albums end up sounding.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 07:24:09 AM
The album was mastered by Ted Jensen - he mentioned in an email to someone who wrote to him from the Metallica forum that the album was already ruined by the time he got it and there wasn't much he could do with it. He said that whoever was mixing it had already tried to do their own mastering on it by compressing the shit out of it and it was already brickwalled when he got the final mix.

MusicRadar and Rolling Stone attribute a quote to the album's mastering engineer Ted Jensen in which he claims that "mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived" for mastering

He went on to say that this is increasingly more common these days - getting final mixes that are already ruined. He even asked for his name to be taken off the final product. [ His name is missing on some copies of Death Magnetic ].

So i think it's more Greg Fidelman / Rick Ruin that are to blame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 07:26:54 AM
Looking at his recent output - the latest Biffy album sounds really good as do the recent trilogy by Green Day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 07:27:50 AM
I recall reading that too, so GH3 is probably using a more raw mix, and not what is on the album.
It's a shame it got ruined after that point, because it's a well recorded album imo. Hetfield's singing well, the guitar tone is good, the bass tone is good, and the drums sound good (although lacking a little punch from the rough mix/master).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 07:28:51 AM
I think it could use a little reverb in places and a bit of colour [ it's quite a light, drab sounding record to me. ].

*snip*  < - - Have you heard these  ? basically the GH3 stems with a lot more punch. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on July 28, 2013, 07:35:23 AM
Regarding production for Death Magnetic, I have a few issues that go beyond the clipping etc.

1) Lars' tom heads are coated, and really don't sound great.
2) They need to trigger his kick drums. Lars doesn't have the ability to play fast double bass as intensely as he does when he's doing accent kicks. So what you get is really quiet double bass, and then very loud accented bass. This is even more noticeable on St. Anger.
3) Rob's Bass tone is lacking muscle. It's not bad by itself, but I think the best bass tone they had was Jason's from the Black Album - Reload days. It had muscle, thickness and warmth.
4) The complete lack of vocal harmonies. I honestly don't understand the motivation behind that one at all.
5) Kirk's solos. Oh Kirk. He needs someone to really push him very VERY hard on his solos. Wah or no wah, you obviously can't just say "do whatever you want" because it will sound horrible. I remember seeing how hard he was pushed on the solo from The Unforgiven, and how well that turned out. He needs someone to guide him.
6) Lars needs a Ride cymbal again. I don't think I have to explain that.

Now, I had a lot of problems with the song writing on DM, but strictly production wise, those were my issues that go beyond the mere clipping of it all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 07:47:01 AM
I'd love it to have more reverb. I hate dry mixes (ADTOE is far too dry for me too).
Kotowboy- My version of the GH3 DM is early (D34DL1N3R). I haven't heard those ones, but you may want to remove that link for obvious reasons.

Adami - Hugely agree on 2, 4, 5, and 6. The kick drum is weak as piss and inconsistent in volume when he tries to play fast. The lack of vocal harmonies makes it sound too raw and incomplete (especially being a melodic rock fan where I'm used to much more layering). Kirk's solos are all absolutely embarrassingly dreadful (no exaggeration), and a ride cymbal is just a no brainer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:02:12 AM
I love the DM solo's...  :-\

I don't get you guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 08:03:42 AM
The best solos on Death Magnetic are James' solos. No surprise there.

The melodic solo and first half of the big Suicide & Redemption solo where it's really interesting. You can tell the instant Kirk comes in as it goes WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:06:16 AM
The best solos on Death Magnetic are James' solos. No surprise there.

The melodic solo and first half of the big Suicide & Redemption solo where it's really interesting. You can tell the instant Kirk comes in as it goes WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

:lol

I love that part...

Is there somewhere that clarifies who's doing what solo?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 08:10:16 AM
As a general rule - if it has Wah on - it's Kirk.

But i'm not sure exactly.

Pretty sure Kirk did all the solos apart from S&R and the dual guitar harmonies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:32:37 AM
What's bad about wah anyway?

I always thought it was a nice way to stand out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 08:39:39 AM
What's bad about wah anyway?

I always thought it was a nice way to stand out.

Wah is cool, but it doesn't stand out when you use it for every single solo, and he doesn't really use it well at all. He just rocks it back and forth instead of using it to add real expression or style with a sense of timing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:48:30 AM
..................I think you guys just like to find things about Metallica to bitch about.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 08:55:53 AM
Discussing the quality of Kirk Hammett's recent solos is far from nitpicking. His solos on DM are honestly garbage, and none of them are good enough to have made the album.

And I like the majority of his stuff even up until Load/Reload, but since then, he's just been fudging it with a wah pedal, and hoping he's playing fast enough that nobody notices his lack of timing or scale.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Discussing kirks solos or death magnetics poor audio or even Lars' lack of practice is far from nitpicking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 09:28:31 AM
I do some basic masters on my own music and even I know that you can't do much

If the original audio is too loud. It's just gonna distort or be too harsh or

You will have pumping issues. I wonder what, if anything Ted Jensen actually

Did to the final mix. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
Even if they remix ...AJFA, Ulrich's bass drum will still have that annoying clicking sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 12:23:49 PM
Unless they do audio replace with a nice fat bass drum form the Black Album :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on July 31, 2013, 07:26:24 AM
Just purchased the 6/8/13 Detroit show where they played Kill 'Em All in its entirety. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 31, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
Regarding production for Death Magnetic, I have a few issues that go beyond the clipping etc.

1) Lars' tom heads are coated, and really don't sound great.
2) They need to trigger his kick drums. Lars doesn't have the ability to play fast double bass as intensely as he does when he's doing accent kicks. So what you get is really quiet double bass, and then very loud accented bass. This is even more noticeable on St. Anger.
3) Rob's Bass tone is lacking muscle. It's not bad by itself, but I think the best bass tone they had was Jason's from the Black Album - Reload days. It had muscle, thickness and warmth.
4) The complete lack of vocal harmonies. I honestly don't understand the motivation behind that one at all.
5) Kirk's solos. Oh Kirk. He needs someone to really push him very VERY hard on his solos. Wah or no wah, you obviously can't just say "do whatever you want" because it will sound horrible. I remember seeing how hard he was pushed on the solo from The Unforgiven, and how well that turned out. He needs someone to guide him.
6) Lars needs a Ride cymbal again. I don't think I have to explain that.

Now, I had a lot of problems with the song writing on DM, but strictly production wise, those were my issues that go beyond the mere clipping of it all.

I agree with everything you mentioned, but the vocal harmony thing stood out to me a lot as well as the lack of reverb on the vocal tracks.  They sound so dry that I almost feel bad for James a little.  The dude is getting older, has a TON of miles on his voice, so help him out a little by adding some reverb and some layering to his tracks in the studio! 

The vocals on The Black Album sounded good because yes, James was arguably in his vocal prime, but also because the production of that record made his voice sound huge!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 31, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
So it seems that 2014 will be spent *solely* on the new album according to virtually everyone in Metallica land.

Lars said " 2014 is new album - you'll hear it in 18 months or so ".

Kirk said that after the movie is out - they wanna focus on nothing else but a new album.

Manager Peter Mensch has said that they have to deliver an album in 2014.

So it's finally on the way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
So it seems that 2014 will be spent *solely* on the new album according to virtually everyone in Metallica land.

Lars said " 2014 is new album - you'll hear it in 18 months or so ".

Kirk said that after the movie is out - they wanna focus on nothing else but a new album.

Manager Peter Mensch has said that they have to deliver an album in 2014.

So it's finally on the way.

Wow thats good news I guess, still a little skeptical... But hopefully it ends up being true!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 01, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 01, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.

That's what makes me worried :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.

That's what makes me worried :-\

Haha yeah that's true, delivering the album is a very small part of the battle, the album actually being good is a whole different thing!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on August 01, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
Speaking as someone whose first favorite band ever was Metallica and loved them with all of his heart for years in spite of all the jabs thrown at them, the album will probably suck. The dudes are washed up creatively. DM was an attempt to please fans after the shitstorm that was St. Anger. Before the album came out, they said that it fit would fit in a timeline between Justice and TBA, and it sounded like they were just trying to play fast, have crazy solos and be metal again. Bad idea. Bands are allowed to change sounds overtime, and Metallica shouldn't have tried to rehash their old days when they aren't in their 20s anymore. Load is arguably my favorite album by them and ReLoad has a number of good-great songs on it. My guess is that this album will be another shitty mixed and recorded attempt at Justice or Puppets or whatever. If they came out and said "This will be Re-re-load" I would be infinitely more excited. James is at the point where he can't really do metal, but he still has some singing chops. Kirk's muddled waway solos are fucking old and they are missing the bluesy punch that made them great even back when they weren't playing pseudo-bluesy hard rock. I'm just going on and on and on and I know a lot of you will probably disagree with me. 'Tis what it is. In truth, after loving Metallica with all my heart, I'll probably download the album, listen to it once or twice, and chuck it, and that honestly makes me really sad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 01, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2013, 01:18:26 PM
They can't top Death Magnetic. They had lots of pressure into releasing a good album after St. Anger, and they wanted to swallow the whole world and scream "Hey! Metallica's back!". They were kinda successful, their world tour supporting Death Magnetic was great and fans became invested in the band once again. Now, this was 5 years ago. The weak flame that was again burning in the hearts of Metallica fans now was completely extinguished, given momentum by Lars Ulrich's horrible drumming, Kirk's mediocre soloing and Hetfield's fading voice. All that remains is nostalgia and memory. The Memory Remains olol.

True, they're grown ups now. Happily married men with families, and nowadays Hetfield instead of insulting the audience and throwing f-bombs anywhere he could now addresses the audience as the Metallica family, "you love Metallica, and Metallica loves you", the power of the heart, among other heartfelt things. Truth is that, I enjoyed Metallica more when they were aggressive as fuck, which really translated into powerful live performances. I'm happy for the guys, and I'm grateful they still have plans of making new music and sticking around for a while and playing concerts, but I did enjoy more the fury-driven band that changed my perspective of metal. Metallica should record this album, get out all what's left of their creative minds, and start waving their good-byes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2013, 01:22:51 PM
This absolutely has to be their last album.

But I do think Lars and James have stepped up in recent years and if they bring that to the new album it could be decent.

They just need a producer who will push them for excellence and not clip the shit out of it.

If they went with the crew that made In Waves - that would sound fantastic.

[ Metallica manager Peter Mensch also hinted that Rick Ruin would not return as " He distorts all his albums and we [ Q Prime ] don't like that..." ]
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 01, 2013, 01:26:12 PM
This absolutely has to be their last album.

But I do think Lars and James have stepped up in recent years and if they bring that to the new album it could be decent.

They just need a producer who will push them for excellence and not clip the shit out of it.

If they went with the crew that made In Waves - that would sound fantastic.

[ Metallica manager Peter Mensch also hinted that Rick Ruin would not return as " He distorts all his albums and we [ Q Prime ] don't like that..." ]
:biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2013, 01:30:18 PM
?  :biggrin: ?

Y U Do Dis ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
True, they're grown ups now. Happily married men with families, and nowadays Hetfield instead of insulting the audience and throwing f-bombs anywhere he could now addresses the audience as the Metallica family, "you love Metallica, and Metallica loves you", the power of the heart, among other heartfelt things. Truth is that, I enjoyed Metallica more when they were aggressive as fuck, which really translated into powerful live performances.

Totally agree.  Watching old Metallica footage from the Moscow 91 show or the Seattle 89 show, when Metallica was at, what I would consider their live performance peak, these guys were incredible.  Especially Hetfield, his intensity, his power stance, just his overall presence was fantastic.

I remember reading an interview with I think Bob Rock discussing the Load and Reload sessions.  At one point the question arose whether Hetfield still had lyrics in him or if he had hit some sort of creative wall.  Bob Rock had confronted James about it back then and James' response was something along the lines of "I've got plenty of hate left in me."  Hate always seemed to fuel the creative juices of this band, particularly Hetfield from a lyrical point of view.  I guess we will find out what he and the other guys still have left in the tank.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 01, 2013, 03:36:33 PM
?  :biggrin: ?

Y U Do Dis ?
Check the bolded part  ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2013, 05:10:14 PM
Ah. :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on August 01, 2013, 05:35:14 PM
Speaking as someone whose first favorite band ever was Metallica and loved them with all of his heart for years in spite of all the jabs thrown at them, the album will probably suck. The dudes are washed up creatively. DM was an attempt to please fans after the shitstorm that was St. Anger. Before the album came out, they said that it fit would fit in a timeline between Justice and TBA, and it sounded like they were just trying to play fast, have crazy solos and be metal again. Bad idea. Bands are allowed to change sounds overtime, and Metallica shouldn't have tried to rehash their old days when they aren't in their 20s anymore. Load is arguably my favorite album by them and ReLoad has a number of good-great songs on it. My guess is that this album will be another shitty mixed and recorded attempt at Justice or Puppets or whatever. If they came out and said "This will be Re-re-load" I would be infinitely more excited. James is at the point where he can't really do metal, but he still has some singing chops. Kirk's muddled waway solos are fucking old and they are missing the bluesy punch that made them great even back when they weren't playing pseudo-bluesy hard rock. I'm just going on and on and on and I know a lot of you will probably disagree with me. 'Tis what it is. In truth, after loving Metallica with all my heart, I'll probably download the album, listen to it once or twice, and chuck it, and that honestly makes me really sad.

my history-with and view-of the band are pretty much identical...'cept i cant say nothing about death magnetic as i havent been willing to spin tallitunes since '06, and i wont be listening to anything new even once or twice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Nel on August 01, 2013, 07:14:18 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on August 01, 2013, 08:07:31 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.

I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 01, 2013, 08:23:58 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.

I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again. 

:lol

I'd be very disappointed if this next album just ends up being DM2, because they really need a different approach, and it needs to be better. And having remotely listenable production would be a plus too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 01, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2013, 10:56:52 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.

I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again. 

:lol

I'd be very disappointed if this next album just ends up being DM2, because they really need a different approach, and it needs to be better. And having remotely listenable production would be a plus too.

They should really listen to some modern and good-sounding metal albums to grab some inspiration sound-wise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 01, 2013, 11:26:35 PM
They should cover DT's cover of Master of Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 12:54:54 AM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.

We won't :(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 03:23:42 AM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
I don't think we'll get hillbilly stuff. But we'll get shitty solos probably. And uninspired drumming.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 03:30:38 AM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
I don't think we'll get hillbilly stuff. But we'll get shitty solos probably. And uninspired drumming.

I'd settle for uninspired drums, I'd just be thrilled if they were played in time. And I'd settle for hillbilly solos, for the same reason. :lol

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 03:49:53 AM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 04:03:26 AM
I love DM, but it's not as good as the first 5 albums. The songs are sometimes too long, the solos are cool but often have a lot of wah, and the drumming is really boring. And of course, the production was Rick Ruined.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 04:38:30 AM
I definitely prefer it to the first 2 albums. The ones I definitely like more than DM are MOP, AJFA and Load - possibly the Black Album as well, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 04:43:41 AM
I definitely prefer it to the first 2 albums. The ones I definitely like more than DM are MOP, AJFA and Load - possibly the Black Album as well, but I'm not sure.

I'd say MOP, AJFA anc the Black Album are better than DM, but other than that, it's pretty damn good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on August 02, 2013, 04:46:44 AM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.
This. I also enjoyed the solos quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 04:54:13 AM
I'd rank all of their albums above DM except for St Anger. Load and Reload aren't classics, but I still love a lot of those songs more than anything on DM. Even the best songs on DM have too many faults imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 06:39:36 AM
With a little bit more work - That Was Just Your Life, Cyanide & All Nightmare Long could have been Metallica classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 06:41:10 AM
the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful

In what way are the Loads awful ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on August 02, 2013, 07:03:17 AM
the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful

In what way are the Loads awful ?

The sarcastic response is "every way"  :lol

The more honest response is: they're two albums full of Metallica becoming a full on boogie hard rock band. And they weren't very good at it. I know, it's cool now to look at the Loads and find diamonds in the rough, but they're not there. Metallica is a heavy metal band, and the Loads saw Metallica run as fast away from being a heavy metal band as was humanly possible. And that's not even getting into the absurd image changes the band went through at the same time, which just made the overall experience that much worse. Metallica spent from 1995 to the release of Death Magnetic basically denying they were Metallica, and the Loads were the worst symbols of that notion. Uninspired, bland songwriting, attempts to be something they utterly weren't...hell, that's enough reason to say the Loads were awful right there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 07:07:27 AM
 :angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 07:08:15 AM
With a little bit more work - That Was Just Your Life, Cyanide & All Nightmare Long could have been Metallica classics.

I agree with that. I also think the Judas Kiss would be a total home run if they took out the attempted instrumental section. None of the songs on the album warranted being that long, but the riff/verse/chorus of The Judas Kiss are excellent imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 07:15:31 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.

That's about how I feel about it. Between those two albums is a lot of my favourite Metallica music (especially Load), so I don't think they deserve hate simply due to not being thrash/metal. They do however still deserve criticism for being two hugely padded out albums that would have worked much better as one.
If they were total crap, I wouldn't care, but there was definitely potential their for them to become one really strong album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Thing is, even keeping just the good songs from both albums, I more than fill one CD. So while Reload especially has quite a bit of filler, there's still a ton of great music across the two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on August 02, 2013, 07:41:29 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

Wait.

Hang the fuck on.

Did you just suggest that it's wrong for someone to say it's COOL to like the Loads, and then come right back and say that the dissenting opinion is the very evil you just decried? Even if that opinion was held like mine (and just about every other Metallica fan I personally know IRL) since 1995?

That's kind of funny.  :rollin

If it's wrong of me to think that someone liking the Loads is just being cool, it's just as wrong to accuse someone who sat in his car in 1995 when Until It Sleeps debuted on the radio and feeling my excitement disappear as I realized I thought the song flat out sucked is hating it because they think it's cool to hate on it. I will say that I have known more people who thought the Loads sucked based on their merits as music than those who loved them until the past few years, where suddenly the albums appear to be being judged in a vacuum where everything surrounding them is thrown aside (I think a lot of it had something to do with St. Anger, where a lot of people went "yeah, these albums weren't that bad after all!" but that's just a guess.) The Loads have evolved into some sort of noble, albeit failed experiment, but most of the people I know never liked the Loads because they thought they sucked. I will admit that a lot of the places I go to, the love the Loads get feels like bandwagon jumping, so I apologize if I let that color how I address it here. But yeah, if I can't get on someone for thinking they're just being "cool", the opposite holds true.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 07:56:09 AM
Ugh. TL;DR.

I'm saying it was trendy to say the Loads were shit but now people are coming around to them whereas i've always liked them...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 07:59:23 AM
Thing is, even keeping just the good songs from both albums, I more than fill one CD. So while Reload especially has quite a bit of filler, there's still a ton of great music across the two albums.

Even RTL had filler and that was only 8 songs.

I bet if Ride had 14 songs it would have a ton of filler on it too.

But most of my favourites from the Loads are on ReLoad.

Devils Dance. Carpe Diem Baby. Wild Things. Fixxxer. Attitude.


I even like Bad Seed - because it has that awesome swing to it. I'm a drummer :lol sometimes I like a song purely for it's groove and feel.


Which was partly the problem with Death Magnetic - the songs were played to be fast at the expense of feel.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2013, 08:34:44 AM

Even RTL had filler and that was only 8 songs.

I bet if Ride had 14 songs it would have a ton of filler on it too.

But it didn't.

To me, both Loads have a handful of enjoyable songs, but an awful lot of dreck, too.  And most of those enjoyable songs cannot touch the best material from the 80s and The Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
I'm with Kotow on that point, RTL definitely has some pretty dull songs. But at the same time, I do appreciate how original and influential they were at the time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on August 02, 2013, 09:01:13 AM
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
From Load:
 - Cure (despite the groovy opening riff)
 - Thorn Within

From Reload:
 - Better Than You
 - Slither
 - Bad Seed
 - Attitude (still enjoyable though)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like. 

True, I generally don't use the term very much, but I guess I feel it applies with Load and especially Reload. I don't think they were intended as filler, but it's just how they feel to me. I think it's the combination of the fact that the albums are quite long, and that the songs in question don't really bring anything new to the albums - they are similar to other ones but not very good and do feel as though they're just filling up space.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 09:18:56 AM
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
From Load:
 - Cure (despite the groovy opening riff)
 - Thorn Within

From Reload:
 - Better Than You
 - Slither
 - Bad Seed
 - Attitude (still enjoyable though)

I don't think Load has any filler. I love Cure and Thorn Within. ReLoad, though, has the songs you mentoined and Prince Charming (which is still good though). How they've won a Grammy for Better Than You is beyond me. Oh wait, I forgot the Grammy Awards were just commercial crap. Never mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
I think Ronnie is by far the worst song on either record.  Even when I liked Load a lot when it first came out (a feeling that didn't last long, but hey, I had just gotten into Metallica), I thought that Ronnie sucked major swamp water.  That guitar lead is just so annoying.  It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2013, 09:48:51 AM
From Load and Reload I only like 5 songs:
Ain't My Bitch
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel

That's it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 09:56:40 AM
Ronnie is fucking awesome  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on August 02, 2013, 12:42:05 PM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.

I use that word to imply that there is a difference between a bad song and filler. Bad songs annoy you, you want to a void them and sometimes skip them if you listen to a whole album. Filler songs don't do much for you, but you don't mind them when you listen to an album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.

I use that word to imply that there is a difference between a bad song and filler. Bad songs annoy you, you want to a void them and sometimes skip them if you listen to a whole album. Filler songs don't do much for you, but you don't mind them when you listen to an album.
This, and for me the word 'filler' implies that they could have been left out and I wouldn't have minded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 01:28:07 PM
I stand by my opinion that the weakest songs on Reload are better than the weakest songs on Load.

For example - I much prefer a song like Better Than You to Poor Twisted Me.


Better Than You is simple yes but at least it doesn't sound like a jam that's come out of trying out a delay pedal ( PTM ). . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow2222 on August 02, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
So how about their bizarre movie coming out in roughly two months? The trailer was very strange for it. I liked Nightwish's movie, and I like 3D, but this looks... odd.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
So how about their bizarre movie coming out in roughly two months? The trailer was very strange for it. I liked Nightwish's movie, and I like 3D, but this looks... odd.
It looks weird, not interesting and really, really commercial. Like they don't have enough money.

I stand by my opinion that the weakest songs on Reload are better than the weakest songs on Load.

For example - I much prefer a song like Better Than You to Poor Twisted Me.


Better Than You is simple yes but at least it doesn't sound like a jam that's come out of trying out a delay pedal ( PTM ). . .
PTM is bloody epic if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 02, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.

I've been saying this for years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.

I've been saying this for years.
It is a good return to form, but it has a few flaws. But all Metallica (aside from MoP) have that IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
That section in trivium's new single that sounds like All Nightmare Long.

I was thinking - if Death Magnetic sounded that fat - instead of a thin clippy mess - it would have been amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
^^ yep. As much as I like the most of the songs on DM, I can't listen to it simply because of the horrible sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 03, 2013, 09:09:25 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.

I don't think Load has any filler on it (sue me), but ReLoad has some weaker tracks, and the highs are lower than on Load. Still a pretty good album though.

Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?

Load: none
ReLoad: Better Than You, Attitude, FiXXXer (sorry Kotow)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 03, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
I consider the "filler" on Reload to be much better than the "filler" on Load.

Just My opinion. :)

I can easily listen to Attitude, Bad Seed, Better Than You but can never manage Cure or Poor Twisted Me.


Seriously - put on Better Than You really f---ing loud and tell me you don't enjoy it  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 03, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
Better Than You is easily one of the worst Metallica songs ever imo :tdwn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 03, 2013, 11:30:31 AM
Better Than You has a decent riff, but the lyrics are shit, the intro and outro are shit and it's a bit boring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 03, 2013, 11:47:16 AM
I could say the same verbatim for Cure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 03, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
Cure is a top 5 song on Load.

I'm pretty indifferent towards BTY. It's not really bad, but not really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 03, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies.  For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 03, 2013, 12:56:15 PM
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies.  For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad.
I dislike the vocal melodies in that whole song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on August 03, 2013, 01:56:13 PM
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 03, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 05, 2013, 02:05:06 AM
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies.  For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad.
I dislike the vocal melodies in that whole song.

It's an ugly, dirty, sludgy song, so I don't have problem with them. Not my favourite on ReLoad, but pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on August 05, 2013, 02:19:41 AM
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.

Certainly with you on Ronnie. Highly original composition and foot-tappingly good.

With each new album for a band I really care about, I sit down quietly with the album and listen properly all the way through. I still remember buying Reload and being so mind numbingly bored that I wandered off to do other things instead. That said, I have a soft spot for Low Man's Lyric; another original sounding composition.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2013, 03:45:13 AM
Live Shit : Mexico City is now on Spotify :)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on August 20, 2013, 07:18:18 AM
Am I too late here for top albums?
Anyways, Metallica, favorite band ever, I love this guys and despite all the critics they receive, I love everything they've done.

1.And Justice For All
2.Death Magnetic
3.Master Of Puppets
4.Ride The Lightning
5.Load
6.Kill 'Em All
7.Black Album
8.St. Anger
9.ReLoad
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 07:35:59 AM
Just not Kill Em All ? :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 20, 2013, 09:11:42 AM
I love everything they've done.

:-\



Just not Kill Em All ? :P

:lol

Well Kill Em All is basically a Megadeth album, so no need to list it here
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on August 20, 2013, 09:35:55 AM
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 09:59:11 AM
Everyone knows Kill Em All was written by Lloyd Grant and Brian Slagel  !!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on August 20, 2013, 10:12:56 AM
oh god, that's what was missing  :omg:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 20, 2013, 11:12:03 AM
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.
:lol I agree  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 20, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.
:lol I agree  :rollin

Well you guys are weird :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on August 20, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
^ and by weird, he means retarded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 20, 2013, 01:40:58 PM
Nothing's wrong if I don't like Megadeth, right? I used to listen to them pretty much when I started out listening to metal, but I just can't stand Dave's vocals. KEA is just pure energy. Instrumentally I'd like some Megadeth albums more, but as a whole I think I like KEA better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 20, 2013, 01:41:53 PM
Nothing's wrong if I don't like Megadeth, right? I used to listen to them pretty much when I started out listening to metal, but I just can't stand Dave's vocals. KEA is just pure energy. Instrumentally I'd like some Megadeth albums more, but as a whole I think I like KEA better.
Pretty much this in a nutshell
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 02:11:25 PM
Yeah I've tried to enjoy Megadeth but Dave's voice just kills it stone dead for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 20, 2013, 11:14:28 PM
Three words: Rust In Peace
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 21, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
Three words: Rust In Peace

One word: Youthanasia.

But I think I prefer Metallica to Megadeth nowadays. Both have their ups and downs, but Metallica's best albums (MOP and Load) beat every Megadeth album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 21, 2013, 12:35:39 AM
We probably shouldn't start the whole Metallica vs Megadeth thing again, but it's just too much fun :D


Three words: Rust In Peace

One word: Youthanasia.

The "mainstream era"? Two words: Cryptic Writings



But I think I prefer Metallica to Megadeth nowadays. Both have their ups and downs, but Metallica's best albums (MOP and Load) beat every Megadeth album.

Not even close IMO. I can think of at least three 'deth albums (RIP, CW, Endgame, maybe even Countdown and The System Has Failed) that beat Metallica's "masterpieces" (AJFA and MOP).

Metallica is and was a very important band for me, since they were the first band I was really a fan of and they introduced me to metal. I used to say that unlike them, Megadeth still put out great albums, but after 13 and Super Collider, that's unfortunately not the case anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 21, 2013, 02:15:50 AM
We should just all agree to disagree about Megadeth/Metallica :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 21, 2013, 09:46:37 AM
We should just all agree to disagree about Megadeth/Metallica :)
But don't we want this to become like a Youtube comments section ???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2013, 09:59:28 AM
OMG GO BACK TO YOUR MAMA. CLIFF BURTON IS GOD. BEST BASSIST EVER. NEWSTED PLAYED WITH A GOD DAMNED PICK !!!!!!!!!!


 :rollin


I love that argument. Playing with a pick creates a different SOUND but playing with your fingers is seen as "correct" and " better".

Mark Knopfler plays guitar with his fingers and he's one the best guitarists ever. Should he use a pick ? Is that " correct " ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 26, 2013, 07:55:36 AM
Just recently listened to Lulu again. Been a while.

I love it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
I do too. I occasionally like listening to some weird shit and Lulu just did it for me.

Dragon is by far my favourite song on the album. Then Frustration and The View.

The only one I really have any trouble with is Pumping Blood. Lou's vocals are the worst on that one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 26, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
I just can't stand Lulu. I think it's boring, the music is shit and Lou's vocals are some of the worst I've ever heard.

Might listen again sometime though, to see if I've changed my mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BanksD on August 26, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
I don't hate lulu like most people do, in fact i can totally see what they were going for from a pretentious hipster standpoint, but oh god did they fail so bad it hurts.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 26, 2013, 05:18:50 PM
You do realize it's not a Metallica album right? Lou Reed just hired them as the backing band, the music is the one solid thing about the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2013, 05:19:21 PM
Indeed. BUT - I admire them for it AND the way some Metallica fans have reacted - it's as if it was the bona fide follow up to Death Magnetic and Lou Reed was the new permanent vocalist for the band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 26, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
Indeed. BUT - I admire them for it AND the way some Metallica fans have reacted - it's as if it was the bona fide follow up to Death Magnetic and Lou Reed was the new permanent vocalist for the band.
Yeah, my post was more so aimed towards BanksD, but I agree with you whole heartedly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 27, 2013, 06:58:11 AM
News Update !

Apparently Lars did a recent interview with a German magazine and few juicy titbits came from it :

1. " We already have songs finished . . "

2. " Once we finish this current leg of the tour - we're in album mode throughout all of 2014 . "

3. " New album ? 'probably next year. . "

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 27, 2013, 07:03:06 AM
I thought it was already confirmed that they were obligated to do an album in 2014.

I'm just hoping it's not a Death magnetic pt 2. While the album was an improvement (would have been impossible not to have been), it was very forced to me, and they just can't pull off that kind of music any more (by which I mean Lars and Kirk).

I'd like to hear them just find the sound that fits them best now. Something closer to The Black Album, more concise and melodic songwriting, but still nice and heavy. Mediocre sloppy thrash doesn't excite me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 27, 2013, 09:33:02 AM
I'd be happy with Load 3.

As long as the songs were good and the production was nice.

The one thing that St Anger has that Death Magnetic does not is energy and enthusiasm in the playing.

Death Magnetic sounds really tired by comparison and has no life to it - all the compression does not help.

St. Anger - even though it sounds weird and raw as fuck - it has ENERGY in the playing. Lars is on fire on that album and his playing on the

Rehearsals DVD is even better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 27, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
I'd be happy with Load 3.

As long as the songs were good and the production was nice.

The one thing that St Anger has that Death Magnetic does not is energy and enthusiasm in the playing.

Death Magnetic sounds really tired by comparison and has no life to it - all the compression does not help.

St. Anger - even though it sounds weird and raw as fuck - it has ENERGY in the playing. Lars is on fire on that album and his playing on the

Rehearsals DVD is even better.
Pretty much this. I don't really care what kind of music they're gonna make, as long as it's good and sounding energetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 04, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Stream of Master of Puppets from the soundtrack of that 3D movie: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-unleash-fury-on-master-of-puppets-live-song-premiere-20130904

I quite like it, James sounds great and it's pretty energetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 04, 2013, 10:02:06 PM
If the movie turns out to be just corny and shitty, at least we got a live version of MoP where James actually sings more than 30% of it.

EDIT: Yaaaaay! Lars overdubbed the bass drum!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 17, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
Harvester & Nightmare not on the soundtrack :/
Hetfield stopped singing "How I'm fucking you" at the end of the second verse of MoP, for the same reason they don't play So What anymore heh
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 17, 2013, 11:01:20 PM
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.

And all of them (even BC&SL) are far better than DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 18, 2013, 09:08:21 AM
Harvester & Nightmare not on the soundtrack :/
Hetfield stopped singing "How I'm fucking you" at the end of the second verse of MoP, for the same reason they don't play So What anymore heh
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes 4 in 2015.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 21, 2013, 03:08:02 PM
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.

And all of them (even BC&SL) are far better than DM.

I'm not totally with you on that, firstly cause I cannot compare between the two bands musically but as an impact on me I'd say ADoTE is the only one that had a stronger impression than DM.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes 4 in 2015.

Haha very possible.

Just watched the live bluray that comes with Fan Can 6 and I think it's better than all other recent live releases. They played Last Caress and I don't get how it's more appropriate than So What..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2013, 03:10:17 PM
More DT vs Metallica productivity discussion :

I highly doubt that Metallica will ever reach 12 studio albums.

They'll barely reach 10 at this rate.

The only way they could do it is if they record three albums now and release one a year.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 21, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
Pretty much, yeah.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 21, 2013, 03:15:41 PM
Logical but on the other hand you gotta think Metallica won't be touring at this rate forever and in a couple of years less touring could mean more studio time.
Trujillo said recently that Lulu and the movie kept them busy since 2011 and that 2014 will be all about recording a new album, which means we could expect it to be out around the next DT album. Maybe I'm dreaming too far ahead but a joint tour would be very cool and I don't think either bands would oppose it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2013, 03:16:01 PM
Metallica 10 will be out late 2014 at the earliest.

If it takes them another 14 years to do 2 more albums - they'll all be in their mid 60's.

Dream Theater are on album 12 and Myung & Petrucci are still only 46.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 21, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Does it really matter who releases more albums??
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on September 21, 2013, 03:21:22 PM
No, but it's just kind of ridiculous how little some of the most successful bands have actually released when you think about it, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 21, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT... For Metallica, whatever, they turned into a joke anyway  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 21, 2013, 03:22:17 PM
Does it really matter who releases more albums??

YES
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 21, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
More DT vs Metallica productivity discussion :

I highly doubt that Metallica will ever reach 12 studio albums.

They'll barely reach 10 at this rate.

The only way they could do it is if they record three albums now and release one a year.

Let's look at it from this perspective: after Lulu, do you even want them to reach 12 albums? Maybe it's better for humanity of they just continue touring with songs from KEA, RTL, MOP and AJFA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on September 21, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 21, 2013, 03:38:55 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.

JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on September 21, 2013, 03:40:09 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.

JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING SUBTLE JOKES, ABRAHAM AND ISSAC
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 21, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.

JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING SUBTLE JOKES, ABRAHAM AND ISSAC
I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS PROBABLY WHY YOU DIDN'T THINK TO MISSPELL THE BIBLICAL NAME ABRAHAM, JAKOB AND MOZES.

...now that I mention Moses, I usually dislike music that has religious themes, but in the case of Creeping Death I don't mind.
Feels good to be back on topic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 21, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
I enjoyed this exchange heh
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2013, 03:57:15 PM
I SHALL PAZZ YA MATHAFAKKA YEAHHHH
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 22, 2013, 04:45:17 AM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:20:01 AM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.

DT got the break they needed when Portnoy left.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:21:56 AM
 :\ So how about that Metallica?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:29:47 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:32:14 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

I recall reading a comment from Hetfield that were contractually obligated to deliver an album in/by 2014, although I'm probably mistaken. I can't remember where I read it, but I should search for it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 22, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:42:56 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.

The Call of 2Lu
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:44:24 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.

The Call of 2Lu

:lol

Relu.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:49:28 AM
Lulu Up Your Ass
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 22, 2013, 05:50:27 AM
Lulu Up Your Ass

:clap: :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on September 22, 2013, 05:52:23 AM
Lulu #3
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on September 22, 2013, 05:55:20 AM
Lulu - The Thing That Should Not Be
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:57:16 AM
Sad But Table
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:58:20 AM
Sad 'bout Lu...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 22, 2013, 06:47:25 AM
Sad But Table
This cracked me up. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 23, 2013, 08:03:14 PM
Reed The Lightning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 23, 2013, 09:56:20 PM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.

Ah, you DTFers just don't get the bigger picture  :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 23, 2013, 10:20:46 PM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.

Ah, you DTFers just don't get the bigger picture  :-\
I see what you did there.

But I still think that, while taking more than 2 years to release their next album wouldn't be a bad thing for DT, a hiatus would be a really bad decision.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 23, 2013, 10:32:08 PM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 12:03:16 AM
I honestly don't see any filler on the last two DT albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 24, 2013, 12:35:31 AM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
We know, and we disagree.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2013, 12:39:19 AM
I must be in the wrong thread, because I thought this was the Metallica thread. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 12:42:43 AM
I must be in the wrong thread, because I thought this was the Metallica thread. :dunno:

So, Metallica. They're a pretty cool band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2013, 12:46:05 AM
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 24, 2013, 12:50:23 AM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
We know, and we disagree.

Though you was one person  :biggrin:

LOL, i saw the trailer Blob, WTF was that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 04:37:22 AM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
We know, and we disagree.

Though you was one person  :biggrin:

Two ;)


LOL, i saw the trailer Blob, WTF was that?

A huge cash cow.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 05:19:00 AM
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.

I think it looks interesting. A concert movie interspersed with dialogue free narrative elements.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2013, 05:49:47 AM
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.

I think it looks interesting. A concert movie interspersed with dialogue free narrative elements.

Oh, is it more of a concert movie? I saw the trailer a while back and didn't know wtf to make of it! It looked kind of silly though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 05:56:52 AM
It's based around a Metallica concert - but there is some kind of story interspersed with it. With no dialogue.

It was filmed in 3D which interests me slightly as it will probably be the closest i'll get to a Met gig :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 24, 2013, 06:31:10 AM
I know very little about the film, but it seems to be a pretty major release. Might check it out if it gets a good response!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 24, 2013, 06:52:41 AM
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".

They chuck in every stage prop they've used over the years.

The Crosses. Lady Justice. An Electric Chair - made from 6 tesla Coils. The collapsing set etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 24, 2013, 07:05:35 AM
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 24, 2013, 07:12:49 AM
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".

They chuck in every stage prop they've used over the years.

The Crosses. Lady Justice. An Electric Chair - made from 6 tesla Coils. The collapsing set etc.
Plus the stage is full of LED monitors and the coffins too. I think I read they spend like $15 million making that show happen!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 24, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.

Is it worth listening to?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 24, 2013, 08:32:11 AM
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.

I believe that it was recorded after three shows or so in Vancouver.  I think that's where the setting of the entire movie will be at.

So as for the movie itself, it's hard to for me to justify watching it, if I already heard good performances of these songs already in the 2000s age.  So that leaves the non-performance bits with that roadie dude and quite frankly, looks pretty actiony but does not leave much substance, imo.  As a result, I'm 50/50, leaning downwards.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 24, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
I'll probably wind up seeing it. Seems like it would make a good BroNight / ManDate movie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 09:59:01 AM
I'll probably wind up seeing it. Seems like it would make a good BroNight / ManDate movie.

But watching it is not ManDate-ory :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 25, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
Metallica's live shows are completely stunning but daaaaang there has been a lot of DVDs lately. They used to do one VHS/DVD video per album (Master=>Cliff'Em,  AJFA=>Seattle '89, TBA=>Mexico '93, Load-Reload=>Cunning Stunts, Garage Inc.=>S&M, St.Anger=>SKOM?) but since Death Magnetic came out they've released the Nimes '09 show, the Mexico '09 show, the Big 4, Quebec Magnetic and now Through the Never. I love the 'Tallica shows, but don't you think five is way too much?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2013, 01:17:07 AM
To be fair - Nimes & Mexico were limited to releases in those two countries.

Quebec was the first "proper" worldwide release and Through The Never is more of a movie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on September 26, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
If Through The Never had come out when I was in my adventure days (or if I was of that age today) I probably would have been at the first midnight show, shitfaced and headbanging, because that's perfect midnight movie fodder. Would've been the new Song Remains The Same for the rock crowd.

These days I watch the latter movie and laugh my ass off at the fantasy sequences, though, and really, that's all Through The Never seems to be: a concert movie with an assload of fantasy sequences  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 26, 2013, 11:43:47 AM
Watching with Mr. Hammett on Friday :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on September 26, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
Watching with Mr. Hammett on Friday :D

tell him I have (nearly) the same belly tattoo as him.
also tell him I have a Metallica tattoo on my arm, but that i'm dying to get it laser'd off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2013, 03:18:37 PM
So is this a concert movie or a real movie with a plot?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 26, 2013, 04:07:49 PM
I think it's a concert movie?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 26, 2013, 04:31:20 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2013, 09:17:49 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.

So....nothing from Lulu then. 

 :angel:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 26, 2013, 09:34:41 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.

So....nothing from Lulu then. 

 :angel:

Yeah, kid gonna escape from the movie if they play that album  :biggrin:
Actually, would be funny to imagine what would happen during the "I am the table" sequence  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.

So....nothing from Lulu then. 

 :angel:

Yeah, kid gonna escape from the movie if they play that album  :biggrin:
Actually, would be funny to imagine what would happen during the "I am the table" sequence  :lol

Or "spermless like a girl"...   :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2013, 07:12:15 AM
Sounds pretty damn corny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Lars Ulrich has announced a "secret" Metallica project to come out in December.

No clue what this is. Maybe the dates for the Thru The Never tour ?

Best case scenario is obviously a christmas release of an album that they've been working on in absolute secrecy.

I'm leaning towards the first option though.

I reckon about 10 dates worldwide on the Thru The Never stage to recoup some of the money they spent on the film.

30th Anniversary Kill Em All CD/Vinyl/Boxset ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 30, 2013, 11:40:27 AM
Some shitty Lulu-like thing perhaps.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 11:49:30 AM
Yes because they'll definitely do that again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2013, 12:07:31 PM
All right fellas, saw the movie on Friday but had no internet at home.
The movie is 90% concert which is cool but not new, the crosses coming out of the stage on Master of Puppets were cheesy, lady justice was not Doris, but Cinnabon or possibly Krystal, she looked nothing like the one from Damaged Justice tour and her coming apart wasn't nearly as dramatic or climatic as it was in the Damaged Justice tour, the electric chair from Ride The Lightening competes with the crosses from MoP in the double cheese race and Cunning Stunts Sandman stunt was.. the same as it was in Cunning Stunts, "oh haha stuntman on fire and James acting freaked out".
It was not all lame, the projections of the marching army on One and For Whom The Bell Tolls were pretty cool.
But the scenes with the actor's little story were really well executed IMO. Amazing imagery and great cinematography, pretty morbid, basically it's an anarchist protest that clashes violently with the police and escalates a downtown kinda area into a war zone. Trying not to spoil it, not that there's much to spoil.
This movie would have worked for me had they cared more about what songs are fitting for the kid's story, which runs parallel to the concert, instead of having giving the "career highlights" a higher priority, the movie NEEDED Harvester and Nightmare and could have very well used Sad But True instead of having Hit The Lights, Nothing Else Matters and The Memory Remains.
So overall it fails as a movie IMO but it's worth watching for the acting scenes and the sharpness and quality of music at an IMAX theater.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
I wanna see it at least. I think it would obviously be better on a Big Screen with a fuck-off sound system than on DVD in your bedroom.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
I just don't see how The Memory Remains has somehow hung on as a live "staple." If you polled 1000 Metallica fans and asked them these two questions:

1. What are your top 30 favorite Metallica songs?

2. Would you be bothered if Reload wasn't represented at all in our live set?

...I pretty safely speculate the answers would go like this:

1. The Memory Remains would not crack the top 25.

2. The majority would answer "no."

If they have such a greasy boner for keeping Reload alive, they should at least give deserving songs like Where the Wild Things Are and Carpe Diem, Baby their fair due.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Or Devil's Dance or f.i.x.x.x.e.r or even Attitude.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 30, 2013, 03:08:09 PM
I dislike Attitude. Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, WTWTA and CDB are all awesome though. I love Low Man's Lyric too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
*Comes at Dimi*
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 05:16:00 PM
*Their memories remain*


 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 01, 2013, 12:33:47 AM
I love the Memory Remains, it's one of my favourite Metallica songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on October 01, 2013, 03:18:54 AM
The Memory Remains is a very good song, but they could give it and Fuel a rest. Prince Charming is my fave track on ReLoad, so I wish they'll play it live, and Low Man's Lyric would be cool too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on October 01, 2013, 05:04:46 AM
The "nadada" section ruins the entire song imo :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 01, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro

+1
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
I like The Memory Remains too. If people want to hear anything off Reload, it's going to be the songs they actually know, ie. the singles. If people don't want to hear them, there's very little chance they're going to care about hearing the rest of the album instead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 12:33:17 PM
Reload > St Anger & Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 01, 2013, 12:35:20 PM
Death magnetic > Load, Reload and St. Anger combined

However, when it comes to the songs from the latter three albums I enjoy, The Memory remains is certainly one of the better ones.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 12:40:34 PM
DM has average songs and awful production and really terrible playing from both Kirk & Lars.

Load is just better on every level. There is nothing on Death Magnetic in the same league as Outlaw Torn or Bleeding Me.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on October 01, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
There is nothing on Death Magnetic in the same league as Outlaw Torn or Bleeding Me.

Except for That Was Just Your Life, My Apocalypse, All Nightmare Long, Cyanide and The Day That Never Comes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 01, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
Yeah the songs on DM are really solid, it's just very poor production wise, but I only listen to the GH3 rip which sounds so much better, even if the mix is flawed in places.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 01:55:02 PM
I'd love for Metallica 10 to be another classic - to be ranked alongside the first 5 ( and Load to a lesser extent ).

But I imagine it will be Death Magnetic part 2 with more slower songs a la the self-titled.

I'm expecting better production this time since they know full well how bad the sound on DM is.
[they have acknowledged it and the production on Lulu was much better regardless of the actual songs]

An album of Cyanide and Broken, Beat & Scarred tempo songs would be good.

They need to stop trying to be an older version of themselves and simply make whatever they come up with the best it can be.

If they put out an album of 10 " The Outlaw Torn " then so be it.

But i'm really expecting another album like the self-titled in tempo and song arrangement - with maybe one or two longer/faster songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 02:01:10 PM
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on October 01, 2013, 02:50:35 PM
Yeah the songs on DM are really solid, it's just very poor production wise, but I only listen to the GH3 rip which sounds so much better, even if the mix is flawed in places.
Yep, all of that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.

The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.

Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.


Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 03:59:28 AM
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.

The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.

Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.


Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.

:hifive:

The Worst songs from DM > The worst songs from L&R

The Best songs from L&R > The best songs form DM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on October 02, 2013, 04:04:19 AM
Always thought Death Magnetic was like ADTOE, a (much, MUCH, MUCH MORE) generic version of their most acclaimed album (or golden era in general).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 04:12:43 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 02, 2013, 05:49:34 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.

Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on October 02, 2013, 05:59:37 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 06:49:21 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.

Yep. Trujillo played on the live in the studio DVD that came with the album, but he didn't play on any of the album itself. The Some Kind of Monster DVD is good for seeing the story there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on October 02, 2013, 07:17:02 AM
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.

They're in that kind of place, where it really doesn't matter what kind of album they put out they'll still sell out most, if not all, of their shows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on October 02, 2013, 07:51:44 AM
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.

Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.

Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 02, 2013, 08:13:35 AM
It's almost like people have different tastes in music or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 09:59:33 AM
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".

Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes.  Lady Fucking Gaga.  That's TOTAL SHIT.

No album that features
•The Outlaw Torn
•Bleeding Me
•Ain't My Bitch
•King Nothing
•Hero Of The Day

can ever be considered " TOTAL SHIT ".

However - " baby baby baby ooooh baby baby baby ooooh "


Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol
Because - like it's like - fact or something - it was on mythbusters that one time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 02, 2013, 10:01:15 AM
WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH.
The White Stripes are far and above shit, they're fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Load has some of James best lyrics EVER.

But obviously they're not as good as " No Life Til LEather - Gonna Kick SOme Ass Tonite !!! "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
I think Load, Reload & the S&M songs, I disappear were what Metallica were coming up with at the time.

Death Magnetic is Metallica forcing themselves to write in a certain way. It's their most contrived album and their most un-natural.

Rick Ruin basically told them to make another Master Of Puppets & It's obvious they can't do that anymore.

I'd be *more than happy* with Load III - because at least it would be Metallica writing the kind of music that comes naturally to them instead

of trying to be an earlier version of themselves that had long gone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on October 02, 2013, 10:37:22 AM
I'll be OK with Load III as long as it doesn't have artwork by Andres Serrano.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:04 AM
Well we all know that whatever the artwork is - people will say it looks like genitals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 02, 2013, 01:23:06 PM
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".

Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes.  Lady Fucking Gaga.  That's TOTAL SHIT.
No, none of that is total shit.

Jeez, some people on this forum really need to learn to respect the opinions of other people.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
 :'( :'( LEAVE BIEBER ALONE !!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 02, 2013, 01:33:40 PM
Death magnetic > Load, Reload and St. Anger combined

Agreed.

I dislike Attitude. Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, WTWTA and CDB are all awesome though. I love Low Man's Lyric too.

Also agreed, Attitude is pretty bad.

I just don't see how The Memory Remains has somehow hung on as a live "staple."

Because James likes the audience singing along at the end, really.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 02:41:40 PM
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.

Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.

Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol

I'm with you 100% Jaq!

There are only five songs that stand up from Load/Reload for me:
Ain't My Bitch
Bleeding Me
The Outlaw Torn
Wasting My Hate
Fueled

I love every one of them, but I shouldn't have to sift through 19 other songs to find them!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 02, 2013, 02:47:41 PM
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 02:53:38 PM
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 02, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 02, 2013, 04:20:51 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol
You say that like it's a bad thing  :heart
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol

Well that would certainly explain this;


I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 02, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 05:00:09 PM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5.
:lol yup that would be taking it a step further...

Just messing with you. Everyone has a right to what they like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 06:14:01 PM
The S&M version of Hero is much better too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol


:slowclap:
 


 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 09:12:20 PM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 

One of my favourite songs EVER, and I'd rank it just as highly among Metallica songs. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 03, 2013, 02:24:22 AM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 
It's a great song, nothing to be embarassed about there!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 03, 2013, 04:15:56 AM
Yeah, it's easily my favorite Metallica song of that era.  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2013, 06:44:22 AM
I feel like - when people talk about Kill - Justice that Metallica and Load should be included too.

People just automatically dismiss Load & Reload as being in the same ballpark as St. Anger.

Like - " Of Course Load & Reload are shit ".

It's like everyone just says every odd-numbered Trek film is shit - when that includes TMP, Generations and 2009 - which are all fine films and that doesn't include Nemesis - which is universally seen as the worst one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
I feel like - when people talk about Kill - Justice that Metallica and Load should be included too.

People just automatically dismiss Load & Reload as being in the same ballpark as St. Anger.

Like - " Of Course Load & Reload are shit ".

It's like everyone just says every odd-numbered Trek film is shit - when that includes TMP, Generations and 2009 - which are all fine films and that doesn't include Nemesis - which is universally seen as the worst one.

I definitely include The Black Album with the first 4 albums (and think it's better than all of them), but Load and Reload I'd put in a group of their own. They're not the same era or strength as the first 5, but they don't deserve to be lumped in with St Anger by any stretch either.

And it bugs me when people say something to the effect that DM is their best album since AJFA. Um no. The Black Album kicks the shit out of it. The Black Album is a very well crafted accessible metal album, that is much more complex and layered than a lot of people give it credit for. DM is poorly done recycled thrash.

And TMP IS shit. :lol But we already have another thread for that. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2013, 06:04:39 PM
Metallica has great songs - immaculate production - great playing from everyone - nice overdubs and guitar harmonies.

DM Is mostly decent songs with awful production, sloppy playing from everyone except james & rob and terrible solos / no vocal harmonies.

Unforgiven III has that orchestrated intro but it's still the worst song on the album / worst unforgiven ( in my book ).

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2013, 10:07:02 PM
The lack of vocal harmonies is a big one to me. It makes the songs feel incomplete and raw. Obviously they were going for the raw thrash sound, so that's just personal taste, but that's a big one for me.
The Black Album and Load/Reload have a lot of harmonies for Metallica, and that's why I prefer a lot of those songs over their other material. They feel like developed songwriting, with a strong sense of musicality and melody, and not just grunting out an E (which Hetfield had mastered!)

But I only listen to the GHIII version of the album, so the production is just fine. The album was very well recorded, with good guitar and bass tones, and a nice natural drum sound. Unfortunately what ended up on the final album is unlistenable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2013, 03:13:11 AM
The studio diaries for DM made it sound like it was going to sound fantastic. Such a shame they fell at the final hurdle after all that good work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on October 04, 2013, 03:23:22 AM
And it bugs me when people say something to the effect that DM is their best album since AJFA. Um no. The Black Album kicks the shit out of it. The Black Album is a very well crafted accessible metal album, that is much more complex and layered than a lot of people give it credit for. DM is poorly done recycled thrash.

Yeah, just because Black Album is more "mainstream and acessible" and DM is "thrash (pretty poor, generic and recycled), they dismiss the better songwriting of the first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on October 05, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro
To add to this, not only do I really like it, the video is by far my favorite Metallica video.

I just loved that whole 360 swing thing! It just looks so cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 05, 2013, 06:49:05 PM
Watching the movie again, this time with Trujillo in San Antonio, Totally unplanned, pretty cool. Trujillo did a little introduction and now we're waiting for the movie to start.best thing about this is the crowd I met and hanging out with here.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 05, 2013, 07:46:02 PM
* POSSIBLE SPOILER *






Someone mentioned online that the guy's name is Trip because he takes a drug at the start and hallucinates the entire thing.





Slow Start : https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htm
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 05, 2013, 08:24:59 PM
Slow Start : https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htm
Not really. That total is only up to Wednesday, and it didn't hit wide release until Friday. From the information given there, including the daily numbers, it looks like it actually had a pretty good per-screen average.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 06, 2013, 08:11:38 AM
Ah, the Trip thing does make sense. Why else would that scene be there?

Anyways, the movie was pretty good. I enjoyed the stage gimmicks, and most of the regular movie scenes were pretty entertaining, although they basically made no sense. The concert footage was well captured, and the 3D was amazing. It really added a lot of depth.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:07:05 AM
Lars @ BFI London Q&A  Highlights :

No Thru The Never Tour til After the next album.
•The Thru The Never DVD will feature the entire concert filmed for the movie PLUS the entire narrative seperate from the movie.
•2014 is all about the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2013, 10:10:12 AM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:33:40 AM
 :tup He definitely practices. He was never that great to begin with but his playing on the 2012 Black Album anniversary tour compared to the 2004 World Tour was like night and day.

I don't want this to just turn into a Lars sucks thread - but he has admitted to practicing a lot more than usual lately. He'll never be 1988 Lars ever again but he was never that great to begin with [ by his own admission ].

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on October 07, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
Pretty much, I still wouldn't call him a great drummer but at least he's a lot better than in the early 00s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBaTbAP-Pu8&t=3m5s

They're pretty solid here except for Kirk's solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 07, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Everyday I'm thankful that Kirk left Exodus. He's really a detriment these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:46:23 AM
He's responsible for helping to write Creeping Death and Enter Sandman but his live solo playing is just non existent.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 07, 2013, 10:48:40 AM
Even his solos on Death Magnetic were just not terrible at best.
I'm not saying he hasn't put out great stuff, their past albums speak for themselves, but he's really bad these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Lars has improved in terms of stamina/speed I think, but he still has no sense of timing. He needs to practice with a metronome and re-learn his own music on a technical level. He botches every fill, and every pause just ends up equally short because he doesn't count it out, and the tempos are always just as fast as he can manage, because faster is apparently more thrash or something.

When I saw them live a year or two ago, it felt like the band had just learned to work around his problems and play in time with him regardless of how out of time he was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:54:58 AM
Back to the front next album.

It's pretty much written in stone that they'll be working on the next album for the vast majority of next year.

Lars mentioned in the Q&A that they will be going into the studio in November / December.

If we take the studio turnaround of Death Magnetic as a template - the next album could be out at the end of 2015 at the latest.

Pretty sure they entered the studio Spring 2006 for DM and it was finished spring 2008 for a September 2008 release.



The Metallica forum is full of people saying " lol 2020 for next album!!!111!!!111 " But I can't see it taking as long as DM took. If they don't do as many Escape From The Studio mini-jaunts then the turnaround will be much quicker.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2013, 10:56:31 AM
Lars has improved in terms of stamina/speed I think, but he still has no sense of timing. He needs to practice with a metronome and re-learn his own music on a technical level. He botches every fill, and every pause just ends up equally short because he doesn't count it out, and the tempos are always just as fast as he can manage, because faster is apparently more thrash or something.

When I saw them live a year or two ago, it felt like the band had just learned to work around his problems and play in time with him regardless of how out of time he was.

Usually when that happens it means it's time to get a new drummer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:59:23 AM
I hope they go with a decent producer again this time.

Rick Ruin just turns up once a month and go Yep or Nope and takes all the credit.

They need a decent producer who will help them write the best material - not just say " Do Master Of Puppets again " then goes to a BBQ.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 05:11:22 PM
 :omg: Oh God - i want this rumour to be true !!!!

Word is going around that Kevin Shirley will produce the next album !

•Lars said that the most recent iron Maiden album is a big clue to what their big announcement will be tomorrow.
•Kevin is "moving to California for a while"
•Kevin produced mixed their recent Deep Purple cover - so they might have liked his work .


 :hefdaddy Please let this be true. A Metallica album produced by Kevin Shirley would be amazing. The next best thing to Steven Wilson doing it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 08:44:22 PM
:omg: Oh God - i want this rumour to be true !!!!

Word is going around that Kevin Shirley will produce the next album !

•Lars said that the most recent iron Maiden album is a big clue to what their big announcement will be tomorrow.
•Kevin is "moving to California for a while"
•Kevin produced mixed their recent Deep Purple cover - so they might have liked his work .

I hope that's true. Kevin Shirley knows how to get a great heavy mix, and I'd be confident in him getting Metallica sounding their best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 09:01:26 PM
Plus FII & Joe Bonamassa albums all sound great.

If Kevin could bring that Ballad Of John Henry sound to Metallica - all's good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 09:12:59 PM
Plus FII & Joe Bonamassa albums all sound great.

If Kevin could bring that Ballad Of John Henry sound to Metallica - all's good.

I'm not familiar with Joe Bonamassa, but he has an excellent track record with DT imo, and the latest Journey album sounds excellent. If anyone can make Metallica sound good again, it's him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 09:15:09 PM
Listen to the JB song " The Ballad Of John Henry ".

or even " Black Lung Heartache "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 07, 2013, 09:18:49 PM
Driving in car... Unforgiven comes on radio. Sabrina (11) this she hears "Never free lemonade so I dub thee unforgiven"


I can't unhear it now...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 09:22:51 PM
Enter Sandman :

Dream of War. Dream Of Liars. Dream of Dragons fire.

AND OF BAKED APPLE PIE !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 09:27:07 PM
Listen to the JB song " The Ballad Of John Henry ".

or even " Black Lung Heartache "

Just checked out Black Lung Heartache. Great sounding production. Check out City of Hope or Edge of the Moment by Journey. A great drum and bass sound on that album.

So how reliable is this Kevin Shirley rumour? I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out not to be true now. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on October 08, 2013, 02:41:59 AM
Hmmh. I don't really like how Iron Maiden albums produced by Kevin Shirley sound. But then again, he produced FII, so he's not that bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 08, 2013, 05:45:40 AM
I'd love it to be true but it probably isn't.

Mind you - when Rick was rumoured to be producing DM - everyone thought it would be false.

Whoever does it - they seriously need to make a good sounding album again.

Black thru S&M all sounded fantastic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 09, 2013, 08:10:17 AM
Quote
METALLICA's Lars Ulrich has acknowledged in a new interview with U.K.'s Kerrang! magazine that the band's next studio album is unlikely to arrive before 2015 at the earliest. The drummer explained: "Obviously, there are a lot of people asking where the next record is. We're going to make another record, but like I said before, we don't really feel this kind of… what's the word? I guess 'responsibility' is probably the right word. We don't feel this inherent responsibility to just churn out records whenever people want them. [Adopts a sarcastic voice] 'I'm sorry! Let me slap myself on the wrists and go make a record for you!' We'll get 'round to it again."

Haha.. douche, just say you dont wanna do it.
Full article (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-doesnt-feel-responsibility-to-just-churn-out-records-whenever-people-want-them/#7bMkcFozIbsp75zA.99)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2013, 08:28:20 AM
Well it's a double - edged sword.

If they go in the studio and churn out records willy-nilly every year for the sake of it - then we get albums with a few great tracks and a lot of filler.

( load / reload )

If they feel compelled to take their time and stock up on great material first and get around to it when they feel ready - so be it.

At least they're not like TOOL who keep promising a new album every year but never seem to produce one.

At least Lars tells it like it is - if he says there won't be an album til 2015 then it will be out in 2015.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 09, 2013, 09:37:23 AM
Lars is entirely right on that point. They should make music when they want to make music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2013, 09:44:15 AM
I am a fan that feels they do have a responsibility. Sort of. Responsibility probably isn't the right word, but sometimes you've gotta look at yourself through the fans eyes.

And while they do rotate their set;lists, I feel like they've been playing the same set for the last 7 years or so. C'mon!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 09, 2013, 10:32:43 AM
I'm a fan that doesn't give a flying potato fuck how often they make albums but don't appreciate the snob douchebagery of Ulrich's attitude towards the fans who do.
On the other hand  here's how Hetfeild (https://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/metallicas-james-hetfield-on-new-album-we-have-tons-of-material-to-sift-through/) responds to the new record question.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 18, 2013, 01:32:39 PM
"Hopefully" start "sometimes in the spring".  :lol

I'm pretty much done with Metallica.



If the next record is great - fantastic. But if it's a stinker - I think they should really call it a day. If it takes them another 7 years to release album #11 then they will all be pushing 60 by then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 18, 2013, 01:41:21 PM
They were one of the first metal bands I got into, and I still like their music a lot.  Justice is my favorite...I like how the sound is so "brutal"...my best way of describing it.  Plus it helped me get over a bad breakup, I blasted it in my ears a lot, it kind of numbed me.  Ride is #2, I like the dark vibe of it and the cover, and I don't mind Escape.  I gotta say DM is #3, it's a good mix of new and old.  Load and Reload are just OK to me, they're not as hardcore as the earlier albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 18, 2013, 01:43:17 PM
I like Load & Reload a lot more than most Metallica fans.  I don't mind spinning some of St. Anger now and again and Death Magnetic is just "decent".

But with all their extra-curricular activities - they're slowly becoming more and more of a laughing stock.

They're going to be remembered as the St. Anger 3d movie and Lou Reed album band instead of the Master of Puppets and Black album band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 18, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
Hey Lars, I don't think Metallica is at risk of 'churning out records'. It's just a baffling silly thing for him to say, given their output these days. I could see him saying that if they fans were demanding a new record every year or two. However, it's more the fans wondering out of curiosity if they're working on anything, given it has been five years since their last release, and they're saying it will probably be six or seven by the time it's said and done.

Obviously a band has no obligation to the fans to put out records, but when you're only putting out a record every six or seven years, it's not unreasonable for people to ask when you're releasing new material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 18, 2013, 02:32:21 PM
Metallica "churning out records"???  What a joke.  They can't stop touring long enough to make an album, where DT makes an album every 2 years and we never hear of them being broke.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 18, 2013, 04:16:40 PM
Metallica "churning out records"???  What a joke.  They can't stop touring long enough to make an album, where DT makes an album every 2 years and we never hear of them being broke.

DT's business model is a shining example of how to run a band. This is why they've continually grown in popularity for their 30 year career.

If they're not in the studio making a record - they're touring or an album is imminent. There's always something going on with them.

Metallica are either doing mini-tours every so often, doing some bizarre pet project or doing nothing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 20, 2013, 11:03:25 PM
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they opened a sports bar chain called The Wing that Should not be.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2013, 11:42:56 AM
Metallica Anal Bleaching Cream : Whitened is the end !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on October 21, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2013, 07:36:55 PM
Rob might play with his fingers but jason had fucking loads more attitude and could do back up vocals.

Mangini is technically better than Portnoy in every way. ( as far as actual ability & technique goes ).



When Jason left - Metallica did nothing for two years, then released the SKOM movie, released St. Anger, Lulu, Thru The Never and Death Magnetic.


When Portnoy left - Dream Theater carried on writing and releasing great albums as if nothing had happened.


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 21, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Rob might play with his fingers but jason had fucking loads more attitude and could do back up vocals.

Mangini is technically better than Portnoy in every way. ( as far as actual ability & technique goes ).

Well you mentioned vocals for Newstead, which is an area that they are lacking now without MP.


But really, I don't see a comparison. They both quit, that's about it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 21, 2013, 09:39:43 PM
In both cases, I'd say it was sad to see the old member go, but in both cases, they brought in someone fantastic.
I would say that DT has done a better job in carrying on as far as new music output goes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on October 21, 2013, 11:15:14 PM
I love Jason as a person and a bass player....but the material Metallica released with him was, to me, the most subpar material.   (with the exception of AJFA, which was not as good as the previous two albums, but was their last GREAT album)

I had really hoped he would go back to F&J at some point.    THAT would have been incredible, and I think it may have taken F&J to a whole new level. 

I had high hopes for his stint with Voivod, but that was disappointing.   And don't get me started on that supergroup....disaster.

Jason is an awesome guy, but he's made some incredibly poor decisions after leaving Metallica. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 22, 2013, 07:50:30 AM
I always thought Jason should front a band but it's a shame that it took him ten years to get around to it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Bart, I thought about your post and I hear what you're saying, but I don't really look at it that way. Jason was cool and all, but Trujillo has enough old school cred, and I think has has a better chance of keeping them honest. The problem that is plaguing the Trujillo era is the lack of material. He's been in the band for ten years and they've made one album with him. I'm actually taking it over at least two of the four Jason albums.


And J Dude, I thought F&J lost more when Troy Gregory left them than when Jason left. Their album this year was very disappointing considering Gilbert, Carlson, and Kelly Smith were all back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on October 22, 2013, 09:54:30 AM

And J Dude, I thought F&J lost more when Troy Gregory left them than when Jason left. Their album this year was very disappointing considering Gilbert, Carlson, and Kelly Smith were all back.

But Troy left a long time ago just as Jason was really hitting the big time with Metallica.   It would have been more ideal if he had returned when he left Metallica around 2000.   If that reunion would have happened, he would have been on the albums from My God going forward. 

But even if he would have still decided to do the thing with Voivod...having him on the last couple of F&J released I think would have been really cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
Yeah it would've. But Jason Ward had been there since Troy left. Bass isn't their problem.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on October 22, 2013, 05:15:29 PM
Bart, I thought about your post and I hear what you're saying, but I don't really look at it that way. Jason was cool and all, but Trujillo has enough old school cred, and I think has has a better chance of keeping them honest. The problem that is plaguing the Trujillo era is the lack of material. He's been in the band for ten years and they've made one album with him. I'm actually taking it over at least two of the four Jason albums.
Respectfully disagree. The lack of new material doesn't explain why their old songs no longer have any balls when they play them now. Part of that is that they're old and they're complacent; not Trujillo's fault. At the same time, I have to wonder if they'd be old and complacent with Newsted still in the band. I saw Newsted essentially front that band during a Summer Sanitarium show, and it was intense as all fuck. Four years later I saw them with Trujillo and it was pretty subdued and lacked liveliness. Quite frankly they seem bored when they play now; just going through the motions.

Well you mentioned vocals for Newstead, which is an area that they are lacking now without MP.
Which led to a switch to a click-track to accommodate sequenced vocals. While I seem to be the only one that cares about that, it is nevertheless a significant change in how they approach the live aspect of their band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on October 23, 2013, 04:15:23 AM
https://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/music/news/metallica-to-play-antarctica-this-december/

Metallica to play in Antarctica?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on October 23, 2013, 04:21:03 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 23, 2013, 04:47:51 AM
GIMME FUEL !

GIMME FIRE !

GIMME GLOVES, HAT AND JACKET !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 23, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on October 23, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 24, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire
(https://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/q/image/1354/80/1354804465860.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 24, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
https://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/music/news/metallica-to-play-antarctica-this-december/

Metallica to play in Antarctica?

Is it just me or does this sound like something directly out of a Metalocalypse episode? :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on October 24, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
...aaaaaaaaaaaand Metallica have just announced it on their website & Facebook. DAFUQ
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 24, 2013, 10:42:10 AM
What the factual uck.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on October 24, 2013, 11:38:26 AM
And the audience will hear it through headphones - no amplification.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on October 24, 2013, 11:52:04 AM
What's hilarious is that Fall Out Boy thought of it first.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: makleod on October 24, 2013, 04:15:02 PM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on October 24, 2013, 07:01:45 PM
those late 80s/early 90s live shows were off the freaking hook awesome
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on October 24, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.

I went to both nights....those shows were amazing.   (it was filmed over two back to back nights)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 24, 2013, 11:49:21 PM
And Justice for All... on the radio on my drive home from dinner. Fuck Yea son!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on October 25, 2013, 07:00:28 AM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.

Yup, I was just coming into the thread to post this but saw you beat me to it. Hetfield from 85-89 is absolutely untouchable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: makleod on October 28, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.

I went to both nights....those shows were amazing.   (it was filmed over two back to back nights)
Interesting!  Had no idea the Seattle show was over two nights...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 28, 2013, 10:51:33 AM
Yeah if you watch Seattle Binge and Purge- Guitars and clothes change during songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 12, 2013, 06:48:29 PM
So Het went jamming with some kids. And sang Enter Sandman. In the E tuning. Holy shit, did he just travel to 1994? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 12, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
How awesome would it be to see them start playing all of their pre-Load stuff in E again? A boy can dream.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2013, 11:49:30 PM
So Het went jamming with some kids. And sang Enter Sandman. In the E tuning. Holy shit, did he just travel to 1994? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw)

I love the top comment -
"the drummer is still better than lars." :lol
The sad part is that the drumming on this song actually is better than Lars manages on that song. Rock solid.

That whole thing was great to see. Original key, no pitch correction, presumably no (or little) practice with these kids. Strangely, Hetfield's pitch was much better when he was using more growl, than when he tried to sing it cleanly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 13, 2013, 01:39:25 AM
Holy shit, after hearing that I've just realised how much better the guitar sounds in E tuning. Wow. And his vocals sound great! Why don't they just play everything in the tuning that it was recorded in?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on November 13, 2013, 06:26:03 AM
I guess because they're always on the road it's easier for Hetfield's voice if they're toned down... or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 13, 2013, 06:27:03 AM
It's because Lars can't keep up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 13, 2013, 07:21:20 AM
lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 13, 2013, 07:22:21 AM
Holy shit, after hearing that I've just realised how much better the guitar sounds in E tuning. Wow. And his vocals sound great! Why don't they just play everything in the tuning that it was recorded in?

Well being on tour singing for over 2 hours every other night is a little different than singing one song, one night and thats it.  They've been playing a half-step down for years now to, I guess, making it a little easier on James' voice.  The funny thing is, a half-step isn't that much, so I don't know how much easier that actually is on his voice, maybe he feels more comfortable singing in that key now, since they have been doing it so long.  This recording being in E does sound really cool though, and I agree, it totally reminds me how much better the guitar part sounds in E rather than Eb.

It's because Lars can't keep up.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
I wonder if the Antarctica gig will get a frosty reception...



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 13, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
I'd be surprised if they don't play Trapped Under Ice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
I'd be surprised if they don't play Trapped Under Ice.

Surely it's a no-brainer. But this is the band who played in Mexico for 8 nights and played the same set each night AND played THEIR OWN FESTIVAL named Orion and DIDN'T PLAY ORION.

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 13, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
Lest we forget Through the Never not being in the movie of the same name? All we need now is a tour called "St. Anger."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2013, 06:43:50 PM
And

" The New Album ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 04:43:58 AM
Lars : " If the 90s were our "slump" then i'm fine with that ".

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that 2000 onwards is Metallica's worst period so far.

- St. Anger - an almost universally panned album.
- Some Kind Of Monster - hilarious and entertaining - if only in a voyeuristic and schadenfreude kinda way.
- 2004 world tour - unbelievably sloppy performances all round.
- Death Magnetic - a decent album - but nowhere near their best by any means - suffers from abysmal sound.
- 3D movie - the movie nobody wanted and almost nobody went to see.
- Lulu - not as bad as it's reputation & not a bona fide Metallica studio album but still a blot on their already filthy copybook.



What say you ?


Compare that to 1991 - 1999 - where they put out The Black Album and from 96 - 99 put out four albums in four years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 22, 2013, 05:17:39 AM
I agree, the 2000s is their slump.

The '90s kicked off with their most successful album by far, which they toured for years. Then they released a double album (which while not great, is still miles better than anything that's come since), and there was Garage Inc (the new material, obviously) and S&M, which were both alright.

Since 2000, they've recorded 2 albums universally considered dog shit, and another that is a poor rehash of music from their prime that only highlights that they're not in their prime any more, and a doco movie that shows how far they've fallen.

The 90's was not up to their '80s stuff overall, but in comparison to what they've done since, I'd gladly have that back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on November 22, 2013, 05:22:20 AM
I remember when the 'black album" came out almost all the diehard Metallica fans I knew called it a sell out and now they'd give anything to have that sort of album as a new release  :biggrin: Same sort of thing happened with Queensryche Empire.

Personally I rate Master of Puppets much higher than anything before or since.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 05:24:10 AM
I loved being a Metallica fan in the 90s.

They had this cool swagger that the SKOM movie utterly destroyed. Cunning Stunts was my first live Metallica experience and at the time - it sounded absolutely flawless to me and I pretty much watched it to death  -

- to the point where if the sound was down and I saw 5 seconds from the concert I knew what song and what line was playing :lol

I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.

S&M blew me away too. The idea of a Metal band and an orchestra. It just seemed to be so obvious.

I disappear was the last remnants of that era of Metallica. From then on it was just one "wtf?!" after another.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 05:27:17 AM
If we're doing "decades" Then surely 1983 - 1993 is the best decade since it includes all their best albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 22, 2013, 05:31:23 AM
SKOM was an embarrassment, and is cannot believe they did a behind the scenes movie like that.

It was incredible footage. I really felt bad for Kirk during it.

The best part though was Rob's audition.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 05:37:15 AM
I wish they'd gone with the original idea - which was to be a making-of the new album documentary.

I'd have enjoyed that. The parts in the movie where they're actually working on music and recording are the best IMO.

I know James wanted Metallica to be seen "as real people" - but they ( meaning James and Lars ) came across as

extremely spoiled. Not least in the radio section where they don't understand that they get played on this one station so they have to

do a jingle for them in return. :lol

" What ? They won't play our music unless we do something for them ?! Let's write a song about this ! "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 22, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
Compare that to 1991 - 1999 - where they put out The Black Album and from 96 - 99 put out four albums in four years.

That's quite a stretch. Load and Reload are one album's sessions. You already know that so I'm not pretending that you weren't aware but just highlighting that fact as a backdrop for the rest of my point. Half of Garage Inc. was rereleased covers from earlier in their career which I'm pretty certain you're aware of as well considering how much you like them. S&M, while a fantastic performance which I love to this day, includes exactly two new tracks and -Human is quite ho-hum anyway. No Leaf Clover is swell though.

In total, we have one original album which was admittedly (by Lars in an interview in the mid-90s) stretched into two so that Metallica could more quickly fulfill their current (at the time "current") contractual obligation and negotiate a new deal. Many bands write two albums or more worth of material for a single album and have the good sense to trim it down to make a stronger single album. Metallica opted to not do that and the legacy of those two albums, by and large, is that most people legitimately like 5-10 songs from those 27 and have a fairly negative view for the majority of the remaining tracks. Also, most folks seem to only have that "Wow!" feeling toward like 3-5 of those songs.

So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 22, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2013, 03:06:16 AM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..
:tup
The whole " we're got 5 new songs....we'll start writing soon....after this movie.....around christmas....in the new year.....in spring.....after the antarctica gig....."

I'm usually quite patient but they really don't want to make a new album.

If they'd split in 1999 - S&M would have been the perfect send off with none of the shit that was to come.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2013, 03:08:14 AM

So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)

It's still a better run than anything they've put out since.

If I had to choose between erasing from existence Load, Reload, S&M and Garage

or

St Anger, Death Magnetic, Lulu & Thru The Never 

- I know which i'd choose.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Marion Crane on November 23, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..

It's hilarious that you think arguably the biggest rock band on the planet is a sinking ship. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on November 23, 2013, 09:35:30 AM

So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)

It's still a better run than anything they've put out since.

If I had to choose between erasing from existence Load, Reload, S&M and Garage

or

St Anger, Death Magnetic, Lulu & Thru The Never 

- I know which i'd choose.

I'd erase everything from Load to St. Anger myself. But I'm that cantankerous bastard who was actually around in the 90s when Metallica was anally raping their legacy on a regular basis in every interview, so I might not be the best judge.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2013, 11:40:59 AM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..

It's hilarious that you think arguably the biggest rock band on the planet is a sinking ship.

Then its one gigantic sinking ship.

Sadly, its what I feel about Metallica. Death Magnetic was ok, I enjoy a few songs, but I don't think they can do that again. Also, I don't consider Lulu a Metallica album. Its a Lou Reed album Feat. Metallica, NOT a Metallica album feat. Lou reed..you don't know how much it bugs me when people consider that album theirs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on November 23, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
They may not be a sinking ship *financially*....but I think BJ was referring to Metallica on a CREATIVE level.

And on that point...I wholeheartedly agree. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2013, 11:48:15 AM
Yeah. Metallica was their last truly great album. L&R had some great songs stretched over two albums and then they were truly out of ideas. They've been running on fumes since then. Taking an average of 6 years between studio albums.



And yes - Lulu was mostly Lou Reeds idea. And it was his album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2013, 11:49:02 AM
They may not be a sinking ship *financially*....but I think BJ was referring to Metallica on a CREATIVE level.

And on that point...I wholeheartedly agree.

Exactly....it was cool getting another Fade to Black with the awesome One outro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on November 24, 2013, 11:01:04 AM
I've heard on a few occasions that basically, Het would like to record more often, and that basically Lars dragging his feet keeps that from happening. These rumors are probably exaggerated because of what a lot of people think of Lars at this point, but it seems like something with an edge of truth to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2013, 12:02:30 PM
I've read a quote from Het that he's actually ashamed of how few albums they've put out in 30 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 24, 2013, 12:22:31 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 24, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
1. The Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me
3. Until It Sleeps
4. Fixxxer
5. Hero of the Day

Some hard choices though. Honourable mentions: Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric and Ronnie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming

Something along those lines but maybe replace Prince Charming with Outlaw Torn.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 24, 2013, 02:20:19 PM
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me

(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)

3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me

(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)

3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby

Yeah most of the Load / Reload songs were awesome on S&M. Especially Outlaw Torn and Hero of the Day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 24, 2013, 03:26:27 PM
ReLoadered EP

1. Fuel
2. King Nothing
3. Until it Sleeps
4. No Leaf Clover (Live)

The only post Black Album 90s Metallica I care about.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on November 24, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
The Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
Fixxxer
Carpe Diem Baby
Until It Sleeps
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2013, 08:33:26 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming

The only one of those I even like at all is Bleeding Me, and it's at the bottom of my list. :lol

Hero of the Day
Unforgiven II
Fuel
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing

The top 4 are pretty much equal for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 24, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
I'm not sure.  Hero of the Day would definitely be my number one, and The Unforgiven II would definitely be my number two.  After that, there are several contenders.  I'll think it over a bit and come back to this.

Yes, I overthink things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on November 24, 2013, 11:14:38 PM
In no particular order:

Outlaw Torn
Fixxxer
Carpe Diem
Bleeding Me
Thorn Within

Honorable mention to Wild Things, which would probably make the list at 6th.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JRundquist on November 24, 2013, 11:18:19 PM
Outlaw Torn
Hero Of The Day
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on November 25, 2013, 02:40:39 AM
The Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
Prince Charming
Low Man's Lyric
Ain't My Bitch
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2013, 03:48:42 AM
In no order;

Unforgiven II
Ain't My Bitch
Until it Sleeps
Bleeding Me
Outlaw Torn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on November 25, 2013, 07:17:25 AM
Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
















the rest
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 07:19:35 AM
Unforgiven II is the best them IMO.

I like it better than the first song and the third one is way last - the production doesn't help either.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7FiNfCQAAdfsR.png)



Here's my playlist of all the "slower, ballad-ier " songs from Load / Reload.


Now that they've done their old school thrash metallica album - I wouldn't mind at all if they did an album of slower songs like this.

At this point - i don't really care what they do - it's the *songs* that need to be good. Whatever style they are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 25, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.

All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 11:16:37 AM
Everything about the quality of the recordings is better with Bob Rock.

Except for Saint Anger - but that was intentionally a messed up album.

And at least it's not brickwalled to all buggery.

The instruments sound weird but the actual album itself is mastered nicely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 25, 2013, 12:46:38 PM
St. Anger is only weak because the complete absence of variation in the songwriting. They've got some catchy hooks and grooves on that one though. No problem with the production, it's suitable and it makes it unique.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 25, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.
:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
Outlaw Torn
Ain't My Bitch
Fuel
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.
:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2.  :lol

For some reason - Reload over Tomb raider on ps1 just clicked. And then the video for Unforgiven II came out and they're in a cave and I was like Whoa...  :eek
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on November 25, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
1. Hero of the Day
2. Until it Sleeps
3. Ain't my Bitch
4. King Nothing
5. Bleeding Me

So yeah, I prefer Load by a wide margin.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2013, 05:41:01 PM
Load eats Reload for breakfast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 06:49:54 PM
https://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/metallicas-rob-trujillo-weve-been-busy-writing-and-in-the-studio-with-rick-rubin/

:lol Posting for the lols.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 25, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.

All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.

I'm not trying to break your balls or anything but that post is kind of a head scratcher. Load/Reload sound absolutely nothing like any of their first four albums in any way at all. At best, they sound like a very watered-down black album. There really just isn't any connection between the Loads and anything prior to the black album when you consider James' startling transition to a twangy hard rock singer (not his fault, obviously; most of us know about his vocal cords being blown out while recording So What), Lars' shameless departure from even attempting to sound like he can play drums at even the most elementary level, and Kirk's leads becoming even more one-dimensional than ever before. Add to all of that, the shift to E-flat (once again, not their fault as I'm sure it was to protect James' fucked up vocal cords) plus the weak-ass distortion they used on the guitars and you have 27 songs that sound like they were thrown together by some southern rock band with zero background in metal but liked the black album a little bit and figured they'd have a go at making some songs in that style but in their own southern way.

As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

Fight Fire With Fire: 3:01-3:23
Fade to Black: Basically the entire song
Creeping Death: 5:24-6:03
The Call of Ktulu: Majority of the song

Master of Puppets: Entire middle section
Sanitarium: Majority of the song
Orion: Second half is legendarily melodic
Damage Inc.: Intro

Blackened: 4:07-4:31
...And Justice For All: Intro, 5:06-5:26
Eye of the Beholder: 4:25-4:49
One: Majority of the song
Harvester of Sorrow: Most of the song is based off a clean-tone arpeggio
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:20:40 PM
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)

Not taking away from anything you just said, but just had to point out, the raw emotion on James' solo here blows ANY Kirk solo out of the water.  ANY Kirk solo, across the whole catalogue, in terms of raw emotion.  Something about his limited knowledge in terms of soloing techniques, scales etc and his heavy reliance on traditional blues pentatonic licks make this solo sing so beautifully.  Such a fitting tribute to Cliff.

Carry on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 08:24:22 PM
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on November 25, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him.   I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era.  I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have always thought that James is a better lead player than Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
I wouldn't say he was a better lead player than Kirk, but as Kotowboy said, he plays from the gut, and with far more emotion than Kirk.  I'd say the closest Kirk gets to sounding anywhere near as 'emotional' as James is his first solo in Orion maybe.  But even Cliff has a way nicer solo than him in that ha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:42:44 PM
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him.   I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era.  I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)

I always wondered if Kirk got the idea for the Aeolian run that ends his intro solo in Fade to Black from Satriani.  That simple scale over those chord changes... just seems too genius to have come from Kirk :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 25, 2013, 08:42:58 PM
DTF be all like lolKirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 25, 2013, 08:45:27 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

I think the difference here is vocal melody verses melodic sections in the music.  Load/Reload = infintely better vocal melodies, I agree, but nowhere near as good as golden era Metallica in terms of melodic themes etc in the music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 25, 2013, 08:50:26 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

So an abundance of half-hearted, rednecky vocal melodies/harmonies over Eb m pentatonic fills makes something more melodic than what I cited above? Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win. Bottom line? Quantity is not automatically better than quantity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 25, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

So an abundance of half-hearted, rednecky vocal melodies/harmonies over Eb m pentatonic fills makes something more melodic than what I cited above? Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win. Bottom line? Quantity is not automatically better than quantity.

We get it, you hate Load/Reload! I didn't ignore you list, but making a list doesn't prove they're more melodic. It just proves they have melody. I could easily do the same for Load, but all I'd get is a response like this anyway, where you'd ignore my laundry list. We'd just go around in circles. Ain't nobody got time fo dat!

As I said, I don't think Load/Reload are strong albums overall, but that doesn't mean they're complete write offs in every regard. I'd probably even take my least favourite of the first 4 albums over Reload. But by the very definition thrash, melody is often the exception, not the rule. The fact Metallica managed to include as much melody as they did on those albums is probably what set them apart from the other thrash bands. And when they did it, it was excellent.
But the songs still largely follow the same formula of "sing E over an E riff for verse, sing F# over an F# riff for the prechorus, back to E for the chorus". Hetfield has a total range of maybe 4 notes across those albums. As great as the songs were, it was overall very primitive compared to TBA and Load/Reload.
I'm not talking about quality here, or quantity. I'm just talking about melody.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 25, 2013, 09:57:03 PM
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.

Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 26, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
I'm really late to give my fave five on the Load/Reload albums but here's mine.

1. Ronnie
2. Wasting My Hate
3. The Memory Remains (Every time I see the words, "that's the cage's music," I will think back to Wrestlemania 28 where that song was the Hell in a Cell's actual entrance theme).
4. Until It Sleeps
5. Unforgiven II
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 09:53:34 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

This is your chance to vote for Frayed Ends of Sanity.

Plus the first kinda "in print" official news that they will indeed be in the studio in 2014.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 26, 2013, 09:56:45 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

This is your chance to vote for Frayed Ends of Sanity.

If that was me, I'd rather vote for a song I'd actually want to hear.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 26, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
That's actually pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 10:07:26 AM

If that was me, I'd rather vote for a song I'd actually want to hear.

Cool Story Bro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
If we go by the Death Magnetic timeline - "Death Is Not The End" was debuted on 06/06/2006 in Germany and the album was out in September 2008.

This means the album is on course for September 2016. But if they will be in the studio for most of 2014 - then late 2015 is not out of the question...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 26, 2013, 10:13:50 AM
Eight fucking years. That's a new record (pun intended).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 10:15:15 AM
Eight fucking years. That's a new record (pun intended).

Yeah and we all know why ( who ) that is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on November 26, 2013, 11:11:43 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 11:31:37 AM
It will still be fun / interesting to see what gets voted for at each gig.

As long as The Black Album fans don't all vote for Sandman and Sad But True :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 26, 2013, 12:29:16 PM
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.

Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right.

I never said that so I have no idea where you're coming from with that unless you're just jumping the gun because I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.

IN YOUR OPINION









:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 26, 2013, 12:48:30 PM
:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 26, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.

Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right.

I never said that so I have no idea where you're coming from with that unless you're just jumping the gun because I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.

Oh, no, that's not what I was going for at all.  Sorry for being unclear.  It's just that listing the melodic sections from those albums doesn't really mean anything, because nobody said that those albums didn't have melodic sections.  If someone did say that, your list would be an effective response, but, again, nobody said that.  Nobody's denying that RtL, MoP, and AJFA have some great melodic sections.  What they did say was that Load and Reload are more melodic, which your list does nothing to address.

And personally, I do agree.  While the thrash albums definitely do have some outstanding melodic sections, Load and Reload tend to be more melodic overall.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on November 26, 2013, 01:24:38 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

To be completely honest, I can't remember 5 songs on those albums.  I never really cared for them that much and lost interest very quickly.  That isn't to say there aren't 5 (or more) good songs.  I just don't have those albums and don't remember much of what was on them.  But Metallica was a very hit and miss band for me.  I consider 4 albums to be "must have" material:  Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, and the black album.  I love almost every single song on those four.  But outside those 4, there isnt' a single album from them that I have or want to have. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on November 26, 2013, 01:31:20 PM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 26, 2013, 01:31:55 PM
Oh, no, that's not what I was going for at all.  Sorry for being unclear.  It's just that listing the melodic sections from those albums doesn't really mean anything, because nobody said that those albums didn't have melodic sections.  If someone did say that, your list would be an effective response, but, again, nobody said that.  Nobody's denying that RtL, MoP, and AJFA have some great melodic sections.  What they did say was that Load and Reload are more melodic, which your list does nothing to address.

And personally, I do agree.  While the thrash albums definitely do have some outstanding melodic sections, Load and Reload tend to be more melodic overall.

No worries dude. Actually though, that's exactly what I was addressing in my list. Basically, my take is that regardless of how much some folks may wanna criticize the (by their assertions, not mine) one-dimensional vocals and reliance on fast open-string riffs, that still doesn't compromise the thrash era's overall melodic value enough to make the lazy, bluesier sound of the Loads more melodic than the gorgeous melodic sections found on the golden three. They have some pretty moments like Until it Sleeps, Bleeding Me, Where the Wild Things Are, and Low Man's Lyric, but as far as I'm concerned just about everything else on the Loads is less melodically awesome than any of what I cited in the laundry list. I base this on comments I've read here and at other sites coupled with the fact that I can't even recall one person irl talking about the melodic virtue of the Loads.

Essentially, it seems to me like I may be arguing the melodic value of the golden three while y'all are arguing the melodic quantity of the Loads. Is this so? If so, then we haven't even been debating the same subject.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 01:41:13 PM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.


It says on the site that you'll be able to see the results as they happen . . . so we'll see what that means.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 26, 2013, 01:47:42 PM
Essentially, it seems to me like I may be arguing the melodic value of the golden three while y'all are arguing the melodic quantity of the Loads. Is this so?

... Sort of, but not really.  To me, this really isn't a question of quality or quantity; instead, it's a question of focus.  I feel like on the Loads, melody is the focus.  Whereas on the thrash albums, yes, there are melodic sections, but there are other priorities that tend to take precedence over melody.  I guess you could call this an issue of quantity. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 02:08:35 PM
Well in MY opinion ( ;D ) -

- i think that Saint Anger is the most melodic.



And by "Saint Anger" - I mean " Death Magnetic"


And by "melodic" - I mean " Distorted".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 26, 2013, 02:11:18 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on November 28, 2013, 08:31:45 AM
I'm late as well to the Load/Reload list:

Fixxxer
The Memory Remains
The Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby

I like Load, but have always preferred Reload to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2013, 08:37:08 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.
I liked what Anthrax did for The Greater Of Two a Evils. IIR, they kept the results up to date. They ended up sticking some songs on there that didn't rate, but it was pretty consistent with the voting I think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 02, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
Well, in fairness, I want to point out that first-timers are likely going to want to hear the live favorites.  Don't get me wrong, I understand the appeal of varied setlists, and I get that people who have seen a band multiple times are going to get tired of hearing the same songs again and again.  But you have to keep the newbies in mind, too.  I know that I would have been severely disappointed if they hadn't played Enter Sandman at my first Metallica show. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
I'm surprised Whiskey is so high.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
I've never seen Metallica live but If they didn't play Sad, Sandman or Nothing - i'd actually Prefer that.

I'd like instead : Mama Said or Carpe Diem Baby instead of Nothing. King Nothing Instead of Sandman and Devil's Dance instead of Sad But True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2013, 06:48:48 PM
I never got the hype for Sad But True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsBPln1a2dk

This is an awesome version of that song.  :metal  Enjoy !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 07:18:24 PM
I never got the hype for Sad But True.

It's good on the album but it's never good live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
Here's a random set I'd like;

Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.

Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsBPln1a2dk

This is an awesome version of that song.  :metal  Enjoy !

Cool - thanks.   Not sure if there's enough bass in there  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 02, 2013, 11:19:50 PM
Here's a random set I'd like;

Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.

Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery

I'm in  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 03, 2013, 12:27:19 AM
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Disgusting. Not enough rarities in there. I'd actually want a song or two from St. Anger in there.

I never got the hype for Sad But True.

It's good on the album but it's never good live.
Indeed. I love it on the album but it just lacks a punch live.

Here's a random set I'd like;

Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.

Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 03, 2013, 03:58:31 AM
Looking back at that set I wrote, I like it.  It has a couple of the classics in there but lots of rare songs and songs that you wouldn't think of.  Seems to flow okay too.  Even throwing the odd Thorn Within and Invisible Kid would work well mixed in the set.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 03, 2013, 04:18:40 AM
Finally watched Some Kind of Monster in it's entirety. Wow, that's a long haul....but somehow I manage to regain some respect for the guys for sticking to their guns. Found myself rooting for them in the end....sappy me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2013, 08:27:09 AM
I like how it kinda lightens up for the final act. Although i'd have preferred their original idea which was to make a film about making an album.

Although they kinda did that with Mission Metallica.

However - my one niggle is that - at no point did anyone explain exactly "why" St Anger sounds so uncompromising.

It was supposed to sound like a band making their first album - but in this day and age - anyone can afford decent production.




Some of the extra footage on the DVD is better than the actual film . Like the Ja Rule scene. Just a load of absolutely talent-free

spongers sitting around gambling while their vocalist just shouts some shit into a microphone. :lol classic comedy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on December 03, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Well yeah, that's the whole problem with this "by request" thing. You just get a generic setlist of all the popular stuff that they play all the time anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on December 03, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.
Brilliant choice.

I thought this voting thing would be the opportunity for some hard core fans to pick some slightly more obscure songs yet fan favorites, but no, same old stuff. Quite disappointing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 09, 2013, 06:05:58 AM
Pics and setlist from their Antarctica gig yesterday:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_perform_in_antarctica_official_photos_and_setlist_available.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_perform_in_antarctica_official_photos_and_setlist_available.html)

Can't believe they didn't play Trapped Under Ice.

(https://cdn.ustatik.com/_img/news/other/994091_10151794087140264_1583678795_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on December 09, 2013, 06:09:35 AM
lol Antarctica? Wow.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 09, 2013, 11:33:59 AM
lol Antarctica? Wow.

Penguins are Metallica fans too! :JayOctavarium: :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 09, 2013, 12:01:27 PM
I can't believe they actually did it.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 09, 2013, 12:31:53 PM
Officially in Dethklok territory. I hope they play on the top of a volcano next.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 09, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
On the top of?

Try in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 09, 2013, 02:09:54 PM
Metallica doing a tour inside active volcanoes in 2016.

The Fight Fire With Fire Tour.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on December 09, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
No
Jump In the Fire Tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 09, 2013, 03:00:49 PM
 :metal Gimme Fuel

Gimme FIRE !!!


WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING INA VOLCANO LARS ?!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on December 09, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
No
Jump In the Fire Tour.

Set list, of course, doesn't include Jump In The Fire.

Actually, this would be a dreadful idea. They've been obsessed with stage sets falling apart and (since Hetfield's mishap with the pyro) things being on fire in the show since the late 80s. They'd cause the volcanoes they were playing in to erupt and bury the audience in six foot of ash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 09, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
Sounds pretty damn metal to me.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 10, 2013, 03:46:57 AM
Btw, judging from those pics, Hammet's getting grey....although it suits him, somehow... :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 10, 2013, 08:49:48 AM
:lol i'm pretty sure Hetfield is totally white now under the hair dye .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2013, 02:52:04 PM
Full set:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7USiW1LQCU

Guitars kept going a bit out of tune, but I guess when it's that cold, there's not much you can do about stuff like that.  Overall, pretty cool performance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on December 14, 2013, 03:35:37 PM
FUCK YES METALLICA IS COMING DOWN TO BOGOTA

I also found this James' quote about Load:
Quote
I'm still happy with 'Load' but I've stopped listening to it. It came to a point after recording it that I just couldn't stop listening to it because it was so powerful, but after a year or so of it was like "Well, that's enough!". I wish that I could play more songs of it, like "Bleeding Me". We like that song, we like to play it and it's pretty intense but back when we did the fan reaction was kind of "Bluuuuuh" so we stopped playing it. People could start asking us "Why don't you play 'Bleeding Me' anymore?" and we could answer it's their fault".

What do you think?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on December 14, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.

After the song shuffled on today (with the crazy bass cover/boost from GH), it really is a shame this has NEVER been played live. Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live? I didn't think the song was *that* hard, but then again, I'm not a drummer and it probably is for Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on December 14, 2013, 04:11:22 PM
Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live?
They are. They play the intro in most of their shows to get the people sing along. Then they play something else, usually the cover song of the concert.


On the other hand Here's the Buenos Aires poll
(https://s29.postimg.org/v8wu56lva/buenosaire.jpg)
mitebcool
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 14, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Woah.   :omg:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 14, 2013, 04:39:54 PM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on December 14, 2013, 04:46:36 PM
Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live?
They are. They play the intro in most of their shows to get the people sing along. Then they play something else, usually the cover song of the concert.



Ahh. That's a nice little, lame twist; the song we never played to get excitement, then into a cover when we have 9 albums of original content!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 14, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.

I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it.  Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them. 

Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2013, 05:18:18 PM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.

I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it.  Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them. 

Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?

I see your point there.  Then again, to some that haven't seen a Metallica show, but have seen a lot of live footage and proshots of them playing the greatest hits songs, I can understand it if people want to see them play something a little more obscure which may make their 1st experience more special.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on December 15, 2013, 02:06:44 AM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.

I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it.  Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them. 

Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?
If I'm going to see ANY band live, whether it's for the first time or the tenth time, I want to hear a mix of songs from across their catalogue. That Knebworth list only includes one song post-Black Album, which is a cover song. That's incredibly narrow and boring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 15, 2013, 02:35:13 AM
Well, just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that you guys are wrong for wanting to hear more variety.  I just think it's kind of natural that the results of a poll like this are going to lean toward the already established live favorites. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2013, 04:50:14 AM
For me - i've heard so many Metallica live recordings from their website that If i saw them for the first time - i'd want mostly rare stuff. That would make it that more special that you got to hear those never-played songs and not Sad, Seek, Sand AGAIN.
Title: Not Marco Minneman, goddamnit!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 15, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
Seek and Destroy would be a good song if it was by AC/DC but, for Metallica, it's bland even when compared to the rest of KEA. I can sincerely say that everything other than Hit the Lights and Metal Militia is better than it. Some days I even like MM better too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on December 15, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
Just watched a few moments from the Antarctica gig. James Hetfield still got it! I expected much less, considering the age. Still a powerful voice, still quite a lot of range! And 'Fade To Black', he still has good pitch control as well!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
He said in an interview recently that he's been doing extra training and working on it a lot more.

If you listen to the Kill Em All DeeHan set - he does some crazy vocal stuff at that gig. Including the highest note he's probably ever sung.

He's probably the only one of the Big Four who can still actually sing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 15, 2013, 08:35:33 PM
He's probably the only one of the Big Four who could ever actually sing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 17, 2013, 02:41:38 AM
Any setlist you guys would like to see if you were to go and see them live on one of these Pick-A-Setlist shows? Mine would be something like this, in no particular order:

Jump in the Fire
Phantom Lord (incl. slower bit in the middle)
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Creeping Death
Damage, Inc.
Welcome Home (Sanitarium) or Disposable Heroes
Blackened (incl. slower part guitar solo)
...And Justice For All
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Shortest Straw
The Struggle Within
My Friend of Misery
2x4
The House Jack Built
Where The Wild Things Are
Unforgiven II
Purify
Astronomy
That Was Just Your Life

For me it's a mix of songs I really like from the albums which have never been played live before (or which haven't been played that much and would be really great to see) and some classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 17, 2013, 12:28:42 PM
I suck at designing actual setlists, so this is really just a list of Metallica songs I would love to hear live:

Jump in the Fire
Ride the Lightning
Fade to Black
The Thing that Should Not Be
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
The Frayed Ends of Sanity
Of Wolf and Man
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
The Unforgiven II
Dirty Window
All Nightmare Long

That's at least one from every album, and two each from my favorite albums (RTL, MOP, and Load).  I've never had the chance to see any of these performed live, and if I got to see them all in one setlist, it would probably be my favorite concert ever.  Plus, I think there's still room for a few live staples, so throw in Master of Puppets, One, and Creeping Death. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 17, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
I don't get what people like about Dirty Window. I think it's one of the weakest songs on St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 17, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
I didn't know that people liked Dirty Window.  Kinda thought I was the oddball on that one.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 18, 2013, 11:50:17 AM
I don't get what people like about Dirty Window. I think it's one of the weakest songs on St. Anger.

It's a great high energy song, bro.

Also... Projector Protector Rejector Infector Projector Rejector Infector Injector Defector Rejector!

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on December 18, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
Well, just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that you guys are wrong for wanting to hear more variety.  I just think it's kind of natural that the results of a poll like this are going to lean toward the already established live favorites. 
Oh definitely, that's why I don't think it's a very good idea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 18, 2013, 03:06:08 PM
For whatever reason - Dirty Wndow is the only song on SA which is in Db. All the other songs bar Invisible Kid and Un-named feeling are in C.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2013, 09:51:30 PM
Dirty Window is one of the few good songs on St Anger, along with the title track and Shoot Me Again. The rest is poop.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 18, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
St. Manure
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2013, 11:23:17 PM
St. Manure

Round your neck?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 19, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
Yep. Couldn't flush it out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 19, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
:lol

I'd make another lyrical pun, but that just about covers all 3 lines of lyrics in the entire song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 19, 2013, 03:29:27 AM
That's why Kirk and Lars shouldn't write lyrics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 19, 2013, 05:35:33 PM
Dirty Window was one of the only standouts on SA for me.

AND NOW I SLAM MY GAVEL DOWN is a pretty awesome line, dat delivery.  I'm glad they learnt what the actual name for a 'judgement hammer' was.  Took them 20 odd years but hey.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 19, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Dirty Window was one of the only standouts on SA for me.

AND NOW I SLAM MY GAVEL DOWN is a pretty awesome line, dat delivery.  I'm glad they learnt what the actual name for a 'judgement hammer' was.  Took them 20 odd years but hey.

:lol I think that instance was trying to use a more lyrical phrasing.
I love the delivery on that line too, the way it slows down gradually, then kicks back in to full tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 19, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.   

Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again

Those are just off the top of my head.   I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on December 21, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
For me, AWMH is easily the best on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on December 21, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.   

Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again

Those are just off the top of my head.   I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.

The day St. Anger came out, my local radio station played Shoot Me Again, and after it, the DJ came on and did something I had never heard a DJ do before or since. He said more or less, look, this album is awful, but we have to play it. Somehow he kept his job.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 21, 2013, 08:12:42 PM
I've had It's My World stuck in my head for two days now. Love that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 21, 2013, 08:15:10 PM
I listened to Frantic for the first time a few days ago.

I enjoyed it, but probably mostly for the LOL factor.













MY LIFESTYLE
DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 21, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.   

Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again

Those are just off the top of my head.   I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.

The day St. Anger came out, my local radio station played Shoot Me Again, and after it, the DJ came on and did something I had never heard a DJ do before or since. He said more or less, look, this album is awful, but we have to play it. Somehow he kept his job.  :rollin

:lol thats awesome.  I always wondered why DJ's don't show any opinion on the music they have to play.  If I was one I couldn't help but say, 'Well... that was shit' at the end of like a Katy Perry song or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on December 21, 2013, 11:59:58 PM
St Anger has always struck me as an album that could have actually been pretty good with a few tweaks here and there. There are some good ideas present. It just could have benefited from a bit of reworking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 22, 2013, 01:39:24 AM
Oh yeah, definitely. There's some really good stuff on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 22, 2013, 07:29:00 AM
I've always loved that lengthy riff bridge in Purify.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 22, 2013, 07:36:13 AM
Agreed. Purify is one of my favourite songs on the album. The lyrics are not really amazing and the verses are not that good but the rest of the song is just amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on December 22, 2013, 08:54:54 AM
St. Anger could be really good album. There is something good on every track. But the songs are poorly written, often too lengthy and the production sucks.

Doesn't the tempo on Dirty Window suddenly accelerate when the drums kick in? Sounds stupid.

I also found this James' quote about Load:
Quote
I'm still happy with 'Load' but I've stopped listening to it. It came to a point after recording it that I just couldn't stop listening to it because it was so powerful, but after a year or so of it was like "Well, that's enough!". I wish that I could play more songs of it, like "Bleeding Me". We like that song, we like to play it and it's pretty intense but back when we did the fan reaction was kind of "Bluuuuuh" so we stopped playing it. People could start asking us "Why don't you play 'Bleeding Me' anymore?" and we could answer it's their fault".

What do you think?

Load is a great album, and if I were to see them live, I'd probably go nuts if they played any of its songs, even Poor Twisted Me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on December 26, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
Any setlist you guys would like to see if you were to go and see them live on one of these Pick-A-Setlist shows?

Also as a bunch of songs, not as a setlist:

Phantom Lord
The Call of Ktulu
Battery
Master of Puppets
The Thing That Should Not Be
Orion
Blackened
...And Justice for All
To Live Is to Die
Dyer's Eve
The Unforgiven
Of Wolf and Man
Until It Sleeps
Bleeding Me
Cure
Thorn Within
The Outlaw Torn
Devil's Dance
Where the Wild Things Are
Prince Charming
Low Man's Lyric
Turn the Page
Astronomy
The Small Hours
The Prince
Sweet Amber
The Unnamed Feeling

It's been long since I've heard Death Magnetic, so I'm leaving it out. Also, if I had to choose just seventeen songs, I'd leave out everything pre-Load (save TTTSNB and Orion), because the five first albums dominate the polls.

So far I haven't get what is so great about The Unforgiven II or FiXXXer (I always use capital X's, because it resembles how the title is written on ReLoad booklet), since they are often mentioned when people make lists about their favourite Load/ReLoad-songs. To me they are good songs, but The Unforgiven II is not as good as The Unforgiven or FiXXXer as The Outlaw Torn.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 28, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
BREAKING NEWS !!

Metallica care more about a fucking VEST than a new album (https://www.metallica.com/news/20131223-431159.asp)

:lol :lol :lol

This band is pure comedy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 28, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
(https://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/MojoFilter99/Stupid%20Stuff/e14807ff.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 29, 2013, 11:20:35 AM
Quote
this piece of heavy metal history
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 29, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
Quote
this piece of heavy metal history

 :rollin Metallica make a movie which is basically them playing live with an extremely slap-dash "narrative" with a mcguffin stolen from Pulp Fiction and suddenly they're high brow historical film makers.

They probably see the extremely low box-office as a good thing. A hugely successful blockbuster movie is too mainstream or something !

They only want hipster movie buffs to see it :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 29, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
Hmmm, that whole "they only made three million on the boxoffice for the movie" made me relook at the wiki page.  When I saw that number, $21 million, I'm like wtf?

(https://i.imgur.com/8RCnXup.png)

That wiki page led me to this page, which I don't know if this source is credible enough.

https://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/metallica-through-the-never-2013?q=through

I really doubt that they made a profit on the boxoffice.  I do believe that they would make their money back on the DVD due to the extras and all of that good stuff or is that included in the boxoffice as well?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 29, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htm

I use this site.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on December 30, 2013, 10:59:06 AM
I usually use BoxofficeMojo for these sorts of things, but in this case, it looks like they never got around to updating the page with foreign box office figures.

The ~$3,000,000 figure is just what it made in Canada and the US.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on December 31, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.

I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).

I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 31, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.

I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).

I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?

Get out of my head!  I've been saying this for 10 years!

Although, I will put in the caveat that it does *sound* terrible.   I had a drummer in my garage days that sounded EXACTLY like Lars drum on the SA album...so there is a bit of nostalgia talking.    But it is really tough to listen to for a straight hour. 

The songs themselves (IMO) are fantastic.  Far better than the three albums before it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 31, 2013, 04:22:40 PM

The songs themselves (IMO) are fantastic.  Far better than the three albums before it.

:rollin

Saint Anger better than Load and Metallica !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on December 31, 2013, 04:39:47 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica.

Sorry but you're wrong  :-*

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on December 31, 2013, 04:42:37 PM
Okay here's why I didn't like St. Anger.

Lousy production values, awful songs that were two minutes of ideas stretched out to eight minutes, clearly striving to keep up with the nu-metal kids, artificial aggression, godawful lyrics-did I mention that the most successful heavy metal band of all time deliberately made it sound worse than a two track demo from 1981?

St. Anger is the sound of a band having a mid-life crisis and putting it onto CD.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on December 31, 2013, 04:46:27 PM
Basically, if an unknown band released St. Anger, no one would have cared about it?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 31, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
Exactly. It's F-150core. Just watch truck commercials that try to use metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 31, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
I dislike St Anger because most of the music is terribly written and terribly performed. It really shouldn't be a mystery why most people hate it. It has nothing to do with being a metal fan or thrash fan etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 31, 2013, 09:28:35 PM
Honestly, I get that some people like it. That's their business. But I don't know why people feel the need to find some ulterior motive for a record isn't well liked. Sometimes people just don't like it, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on December 31, 2013, 11:55:36 PM
Okay here's why I didn't like St. Anger.

Lousy production values, awful songs that were two minutes of ideas stretched out to eight minutes, clearly striving to keep up with the nu-metal kids, artificial aggression, godawful lyrics-did I mention that the most successful heavy metal band of all time deliberately made it sound worse than a two track demo from 1981?

St. Anger is the sound of a band having a mid-life crisis and putting it onto CD.

well put. i'll probs steal this word for word, memorize and recite style.

Basically, if an unknown band released St. Anger, no one would have cared about it?

i can't imagine so. except that i can imagine so, as garbage becomes popular all the time, as evident by most of that which is popular, was popular, and always has been popular.
but also, i can't imagine so. not now, not then, not ever.

The songs [on St. Anger] (IMO) are fantastic.  Far better than the three albums before it.

Dan Briggs rescinds your interview request  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 01, 2014, 01:20:36 AM
For anyone who is interested in actual good music that has that raw garage sound, good riffs, and intelligently-written music, check out Byzantine's debut, The Fundamental Component. Their more recent releases are a bit more polished but this has a real charm to it the way it sounds like a garage band with legit chops tried to make a decent-sounding album but were without the funds to do it thus making the finished product pleasantly listenable with a raw edge.

Highlights include: Hatfield, Stick Figure, Slipping on Noise, and The Filth of Our Underlings.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 01, 2014, 01:31:54 AM
I realize my opinion(s) is not a popular one around here.

I really like the drum sound. It worked really well considering the sound they went for. It DOES sound like a garage band, and im sure part of it was intentional. After all, Metallica started out as a garage band.

When i heard it being described as Metallica trying to fit in with the nu-metal bands, it made me think. But I really don't think they were trying to fit in with any trend. They're fucking Metallica. They do what they want. Maybe they are just fed up with these trends, in pop AND underground/metal. They didn't want to put in solo's if they didn't want to, maybe they're tired of shit like that. And of course people only complain. Then they do Death Magnetic, which is exactly what so many who have been shitting on them have been wanting to hear, and they shit on it. I'm glad they did Lulu, because they wanted to and obviously knew making it what most of you would think. But they did it anyways. I can't fucking wait to hear what they do on their next album. Apparently it's going more in the direction of Death Magnetic, and taking it farther into thrash. Can't wait to hear how people pick it apart ;p

They're evolving musically to this day, and if you watched the documentary you can see that St. Anger is a product of all their lives during that time. I want to defend St. Anger against all the people bagging on it, but this is all i can really say. Some people will respond saying 'yea, and its shit' or whatever. Opinions.

To me, St. Anger is not shit. Listening to it i can really see and feel and hear so much emotion that was put into and comes out of these songs. Mostly Hetfield's. The documentary honestly helped me appreciate the album even more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 05:39:55 AM
I enjoy St Anger but there's no way that it's a better album than "Metallica".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 01, 2014, 05:52:26 AM
I enjoy St Anger but there's no way that it's a better album than "Metallica".

The Black Album is a masterpiece. St Anger is a terrible bloated mess with only a few decent tracks that can't redeem it. Not even a comparison. St Anger isn't even a match for Load, Reload or Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 01, 2014, 07:21:36 AM
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Then they do Death Magnetic, which is exactly what so many who have been shitting on them have been wanting to hear, and they shit on it.

Yeah I have been saying that myself for a while now.

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To me, St. Anger is not shit. Listening to it i can really see and feel and hear so much emotion that was put into and comes out of these songs. Mostly Hetfield's.

Well said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 01, 2014, 10:27:42 AM
I became a Metallica fan long after the Black Album, Load - Reload and St. Anger debacles so I pretty much approached each of those albums without any of the baggage of being a thrash metal fan. Actually, the first Metallica I recall hearing is when I got burned copies of Reload and The Black Album from a friend. I remember liking Reload a lot more at the time and thinking The Black Album was just straight up boring.  :lol

Actually, listening to TBA and Reload put me off Metallica for a couple of years. Aside from a few songs, as albums they did nothing for me. I think I ended up hearing a few of their earlier, thrash stuff on the radio and that, coupled with the fact that I was big into Megadeth at the time, made me decide to check out their earlier stuff. I bought Ride The Lightning and THAT made me a fan. My opinion of TBA has improved a lot over time, but for some reason, I just don't love it as much as others do and I have no idea why. The songs are all great (mostly...) but they leave absolutely no mark on me. I listen to it and then I'm done. I don't think about it unless someone brings it up or I hear one of the songs somewhere. I don't think I've ever consciously thought to myself "Man, I WANT to listen to TBA!"  It's usually more of a "I should give it a listen again and see if my opinions have changed" and then I don't because it's TBA and I immediately forget about it.

As for St. Anger, all of my Metallica friends said it was shit so I went in with super-low expectations and.... it was shit. It's not completely irredeemable, but the entire album would need to be reworked in order to salvage some of the good parts. The songs all need to be chopped in half, Lars needs to get some fucking drums and throw out the pieces of sheet metal that he was wailing on and, while I understand the desire to have a more 'raw, garage' sound, not many other bands have abandoned plane hangers as garages. Whoever described St. Anger as nu-metal clearly has no idea what nu-metal is. St Anger is... St. Anger. It's very unique and I give Metallica props for that, but unique does not mean 'good.' I guess I can see why people might like St. Anger but I think the reasons for not liking it are very apparent and obvious even if some are as simple (and silly) as 'It's not Master of Puppets!'
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
There are plenty of personal, emotional songs on the Loads. Making ugly music to go along with them doesn't make them *more* emotional.


I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...


The fact is - Metallica have not released an album of original material with great production married with great songs since Load in 1996.

Pushing 20 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 01, 2014, 12:33:47 PM
The fact is - Metallica have not released an album of original material with great production married with great songs since Load in 1996.

Since Black Album for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 01, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
I'm surprised i don't hear more load (semen) jokes. In fact, i don't remember ever hearing any. Also surprising considering how the album cover was created (read wikipedia entry).

I really like the song St. Anger too. When it first came out i remember hearing someone compare it to Linkin Park...I can kinda see why, but also i don't. It was just the best song to release as the single. I like it more then Frantic.

St. Anger was very unique. Everything about it. Wish i could say it'll  be seen as a classic in years to come, but i don't think so. I'm always so disappointed to hear and read negative comments about it, especially by musicians i like. It's a very misunderstood album. But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on January 01, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
I finished early with my Load jokes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 01, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
St. Anger was very unique. Everything about it. Wish i could say it'll  be seen as a classic in years to come, but i don't think so. I'm always so disappointed to hear and read negative comments about it, especially by musicians i like. It's a very misunderstood album.

I give up, you're too stubborn... if it was a album by f*ucking (insert a band like Swans, Boris, etc..) or whatever, but is St. Anger man, you talk about it like it was a complex piece of art  :huh:
You like the album, fine, but it's just like Shadow Ninja said early.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 01, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.

Well, music > popularity so, i couldn't care less.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 01, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
I'm surprised i don't hear more load (semen) jokes. In fact, i don't remember ever hearing any. Also surprising considering how the album cover was created (read wikipedia entry).


Metallica fans who hated it went with the more obvious low hanging fruit of "load of shit", actually.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 03:08:45 PM
But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.

Well, music > popularity so, i couldn't care less.

If Mastodon keep going the way they are then they'll have put out more great albums than Metallica soon.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 01, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
I could think of probably a dozen bands that have put out more great albums than Metallica....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 01, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
They're the best selling metal band, that's for sure. I used to be a die hard Metallica fan, but I haven't been that for a few years now. I still like most of their albums and songs and know most of it by heart, but there are a lot of bands that have made more and better metal albums. It's all opinion of course, but Metallica being the best selling and most well known metal band doesn't do anything for me. There are loads of bands that I think are better and I don't think measuring the quality of a band by looking at its fame, how big it is or how much it sells is a good way to do it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 01, 2014, 04:21:24 PM
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 07:27:17 PM
KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!

 :metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 01, 2014, 08:03:32 PM
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on January 02, 2014, 01:10:18 AM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.

St.Anger is alright. The Unnamed Feeling is a top 10 Metallica song for me. Some songs just would have needed serious re-working.

I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).

When you take into account the solos on ReLoad, it surely is better to have no solos at all! :lol :loser:

I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?

Very rarely since Madly in Anger with the World tour.

I really like the song St. Anger too.

It has a great main riff and amazing calm verses, but I wish it was less thrashy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 02, 2014, 01:54:27 AM
I'm saying i love how a band with such giant popularity, like i said the most popular metal band in the world, does something so different as St. Anger.

Today I started listening to Lulu online. And I'v watched the live performances of it songs. As i already stated, i love how they do these experimental things. They clearly knew what they were doing and how fans would react. It's awesome and i have a lot of respect for them because of that.

And I realize i have different taste in, well, everything. Honestly a lot of my tastes in music/film/art would be described by many as being artsy(-fartsy). So it's no surprise to myself my enjoyment and respect for the sound of St. Anger, and Lulu. I really dig Lulu's sound; heavy metal, cool riffs, spaced out and textured music. Lou Reeds poetry is so enigmatic and spoken with emotion, underneath his droning voice ;p Such interesting language, mixed into music that's without structure. I'm so not surprised by the ridicule it gets. This is more for the art crowd. The underground art scene. The New York art scene much have a few Lulu fans i'm sure.

I just like being the oddly opinionated one here with odd opinions i'm very opinionated about ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on January 02, 2014, 02:59:55 AM
The problem is that although SA und Lulu are "different", they're not really "artsy". Being different doesn't automatically make an album (or in this case, two albums) good, when the music and lyrics are totally forgettable and uninspired.
And I'm not sure if St Anger really is unique. Yeah, it doesn't sound like any other Metallica album, but I feel they were just trying to follow the nu-metal trend, as others already mentioned, and failed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 02, 2014, 03:07:10 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on January 02, 2014, 03:09:23 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 02, 2014, 03:30:23 AM
Sure, I know. Maybe I should have said "I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds anything like St. Anger". I think that regardless of whether you like St. Anger, you'll have to admit the sound is kind of unique. They might have wanted to make something like the nu-metal trend going on back then, but they have created something that has some influences from nu-metal but really doesn't sound like it at all. I don't see it as an attempt to make a nu-metal album and failing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 02, 2014, 04:41:53 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Er, no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.

I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 02, 2014, 06:28:37 AM
KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!

 :metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL

Compelling argument.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 02, 2014, 08:56:33 AM
Compared to The Outlaw Torn or f.i.x.x.x.e.r which is just masterful in every way it sounds embarrassingly childish.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 02, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
I'll throw my support toward those who think it sounded like nu-metal. I listened to that "genre" for a few years and nu-metal was the first thing that came to mind when I heard SA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 02, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Er, no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.

I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.

I never saw any correlation to nu-metal at all.   When I think of "nu metal", I think of bands like Korn....and there was always a bit of that "electronic element" thrown in.   For me, that's one of the defining characteristics of "nu-metal" because it's one of the things that set it apart from other metal bands at the time.    Not that it hadn't been done before...but Korn really popularized it as a sound.

I don't think SA had any elements of that whatsoever.   Just sounds like an attempt at the "garage band" sound. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 02, 2014, 09:36:57 AM
I guess if I listen hard enough I can hear some of the nu-metal influences, but I still don't think SA sounds all that nu metal at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 02, 2014, 11:41:44 AM
St. Anger isn't nu-metal.

It's Metallica's attempt to be nu-metal.

There's a difference. The thing that throws people off is the god awful production values. But basically it's Metallica trying to write an album that appeals to those nu-metal kids out there with their angsty angry lyrics and their lack of guitar solos which ran head on into the decision to make it sound like pure D shit.

You gloss that up with a good production and trust me, you'll see where people are coming from. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 02, 2014, 11:52:04 AM
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?

KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!

 :metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL

Compelling argument.

I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 02, 2014, 01:41:50 PM
I don't think of St. Anger as nu-metal. I believe one of the main reason it's sometimes called nu-metal is because of the lack of solo's. St. Anger is well know by many as being an album where Metallica chose not to perform guitar solo's.

I kinda see why some may accuse it of being nu-metal. But at the same time i really don't believe it is. The garage band sound of it is not something you hear in nu-metal. Nu-metal usually has very polished and deeply crushing heavy and simple riffs. This is not St. Anger. But i can see why someone might say it.

And i don't think of St. Anger as being a super artistic record. Just a more experimental record then usual that took a risk.

I love the term Art-Rock and Art-Metal. This is not Metallica, but they've done a few things that are around the Art-Rock neighborhood ;p The orchestra performance i have not heard except No Leaf Clover. But with this and Lulu, Metallica shows that they are more ambitious in the artistic expression area then most other popular metal and rock bands.

But I call Lulu an Art-Rock album. Just listen to it. Metallica is quite and artsy band sometimes. I wonder what they'll do in the future. Clearly they still have a strong desire to create music and are more willing then ever to  do new things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 02, 2014, 01:52:35 PM
Huh, "artsy" is not a term I think I've ever heard applied to Metallica... :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on January 03, 2014, 03:41:55 AM
I really don't think that SA und Lulu are disliked due to being so "artsy" (which they honestly aren't) and different, but simply because of the terrible songwriting and lyrics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 03, 2014, 11:58:28 AM

I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.

I cannot, and therefore won't, understand that sentence.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 03, 2014, 11:59:32 AM

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.

That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 03, 2014, 07:01:46 PM

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.

That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol

Because they set their anger free. SET IT FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

*sloppy double kicker*
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on January 03, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Medium tempo riffs, with a share of them being on one string. Chords rarely venture away from the lowest two strings. Said riffs are on lower, drop tuned guitars (a first and only time in their career), and the aforementioned solos being absent. These are all things associated with numetal, and the style was finishing its run of main popularity during the sessions.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 03, 2014, 07:59:32 PM
You know.  All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again.  Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.

I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to. 

The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 03, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
You know.  All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again.  Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.

I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to. 

The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.

While not as bad as St Anger, I felt DM was very padded to artificial song lengths. All of those songs could have been killer 4-5 minute songs in the vein of the Black Album, but then they often have those sloppy instrumental sections that add nothing to the song, and are difficult to listen to for me.
As I said, it's not as bad as St Anger in that regard, which had no variety at all, but to me it was still one of the biggest flaws of DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on January 03, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
I get both points. While I have heard the whole album, I only bought two songs. This Was Just Your Life I feel could go longer, or doesn't drag. I love the verse riff and verse melody.

The other song I bought, My Apocalypse, defiantly does have an awkward instrumental section Blob. And the song is on the short end in the scope of the album!

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 03, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Rob-Trujillo-Bass-Dog.jpg)

(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Cliff-Burton-Bass-Dog.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 03, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
black_floyd just took the lead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 03, 2014, 10:57:23 PM
I think Death Magnetic was a result of and a response to all the criticism for St. Anger. And i remember when St. Anger was first announced it was described as being raw, heavy, gritty etc. I remember a lot of their critics being like 'hey, this may be good. Maybe they're back'. And yea, it sounded as if it was gonna be like the early albums. Of course it wasn't, but the description they publicized still describes what we did get. I find this interesting, because Metallica has heavy, thrashy, gritty music in them, and St. Anger was just a different approach to this raw garage sound they've always had. So many doubted the fact they could still play classic thrash metal.

Who was it in Metallica that said Korn was the future of metal? It seemed like that was true for awhile, but definitely not anymore. I do find it funny how when asked Lars mentioned the Arctic Monkeys as being one of his favorite current bands, cuz you KNOW he is aware of the backlash he would get. But seriously though, what bands are these guys fans of an admire right now? I'm sure they have mentioned newer bands they like. Anyone know?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 03, 2014, 11:06:16 PM
James has spoken well of Dehaan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 04, 2014, 04:16:32 AM
James has spoken well of Dehaan.
:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 04, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 04, 2014, 03:20:11 PM
Death Mingenetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 04, 2014, 11:51:25 PM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 04, 2014, 11:53:20 PM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

You guys have *serious* issues.    You're equating a vagina with A COFFIN SHAPED GRAVE. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 05, 2014, 12:13:06 AM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

You guys have *serious* issues.    You're equating a vagina with A COFFIN SHAPED GRAVE.

Makes me wonder if NotePad was being sarcastic.

I only see it if I force myself to anyways. Can't say I've ever heard this comparison anywhere. :|
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 05, 2014, 12:42:14 AM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvYHep97Pd0/TUDfSot8ibI/AAAAAAAABW4/EGFPVodlEVs/s1600/death_xana.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 05, 2014, 02:15:40 AM
What the hell  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on January 05, 2014, 02:22:27 AM
:zydar:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2014, 08:08:52 AM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

Funnily enough I saw a coffin in a grave surrounded by magnetic field lines in dirt.

:dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 05, 2014, 08:45:53 AM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvYHep97Pd0/TUDfSot8ibI/AAAAAAAABW4/EGFPVodlEVs/s1600/death_xana.jpg)

Like throwin' a hot dog down a hallway...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 05, 2014, 09:08:54 AM
Someone needs to do a study on the merits on the cover of Death Magnetic as a Rorschach test.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 05, 2014, 09:58:34 AM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvYHep97Pd0/TUDfSot8ibI/AAAAAAAABW4/EGFPVodlEVs/s1600/death_xana.jpg)

Like throwin' a hot dog down a hallway...

Does it really look that broken, beat, and scarred to you?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 05, 2014, 10:09:10 AM
No, but it looks like My penis's Apocalypse. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 05, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
The anatomical references to the Death Magnetic cover started as soon as the artwork was released even before the album came out.  Lars and James have both joked about it, too.

Regarding St. Anger, I actually like it.  I'm an old guy who despised nu-metal and think of nu-metal as typically involving some rap or hip-hop elements (so St. Anger doesn't qualify) and no solos (which does apply here), but St. Anger never struck me as nu-metal.  It's not typical Metallica, of course, but I like it sort of in spite of it not being traditional Metallica as a snapshot in time of where they were at that point in their careers.  And as James has said, they had to make that album to move on to what they did (better) next.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 05, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
I actually quite like St. Anger too, and I don't like nu-metal at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on January 05, 2014, 05:30:45 PM
Exactly. It's F-150core.
F-150core needs to be an official subgenre. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 05, 2014, 05:33:41 PM
Just watch any Fox NFL Sunday broadcast and ye shall get thine fill.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2014, 08:01:03 PM
I think St Anger was inspired by certain elements of nu metal, and popular metal at the time, but it doesn't sound like nu metal, and it's clearly not the sound they were going for. They were going for a raw, garage metal sort of sound.
Given the heavy influence of the trash can on the sound, I shall just call it trash metal. Most people misspell thrash as trash anyway, so it's a natural progression. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 06, 2014, 06:54:00 AM
Yeah I hate how the drums sounded different.

Drums should always sound the same.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Yeah I hate how the drums sounded different.

Drums should always sound the same.

They shouldn't sound like crap.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 06, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
Yeah and your opinion is objectively correct.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 07:59:53 AM
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?

I thought it was the universal opinion that the drumming sounded like ass.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 06, 2014, 08:19:28 AM
The drums on SA sound absolutely terrible to me, and I'm perfectly happy with different-sounding drums (I love the sound on DT12 for example).

ZKX is right that it's subjective though. If that's the sound they wanted, and some people like it, then great. I can't stand it though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 08:24:06 AM
I never said it was objective, and I shouldn't have to state that when sharing my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on January 06, 2014, 09:34:51 AM
just going to leave this here ("tribute" that Matt Smith of Theocracy did back in 2003):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_3ieuItPC0


the snare sounds was him playing a metal chair (sounds pretty much like what was used on the album to me)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 06, 2014, 11:06:16 AM
That's amazing  :rollin  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on January 06, 2014, 12:39:32 PM
For those who haven't seen this yet, looks like The Frayed Ends of Sanity may make it to the Helsinki setlist this year: https://metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=42
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
That would be awesome!!  A fan favorite that Lars hates to play.   :corn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 01:18:59 PM
I really don't think that SA und Lulu are disliked due to being so "artsy" (which they honestly aren't) and different, but simply because of the terrible songwriting and lyrics.

(https://www.memelinks.com/true-story.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 06, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?

I enjoy it. And I like that they tried something new.


To say it (or any music) is good or bad is smug. It's art, it's abstract. It's whatever the artist wants it to be.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 06, 2014, 05:30:45 PM
ZKX, you're kind of getting on your high horse with that comment. These bands get to have a career far more desirable than a humdrum 9-5 thanks to us supporting their passion. God forbid we have an opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 05:34:41 PM
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?

I enjoy it. And I like that they tried something new.


To say it (or any music) is good or bad is smug. It's art, it's abstract. It's whatever the artist wants it to be.

Well, if the person is saying that something is objectively good or bad, yeah, but people are free to express their opinions on the music. Otherwise, what's even the point of a music forum?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 06, 2014, 06:22:32 PM
Otherwise, what's even the point of a music forum?

Yeah, I was gonna say.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2014, 06:36:51 PM
The main problem with DM and SA besides the audio quality is that this band is capable of far, far better.

They went from Load which had fantastic production and a handful of great songs, some under-rated songs and a couple of fillers to Saint Anger which had awful production and mostly poor songs with a couple of gems in about 7 years.

The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.

If the 10th album is released in 2016 - which is the most likely scenario - that will be 25 years ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
The main problem with DM and SA besides the audio quality is that this band is capable of far, far better.

They went from Load which had fantastic production and a handful of great songs, some under-rated songs and a couple of fillers to Saint Anger which had awful production and mostly poor songs with a couple of gems in about 7 years.

The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.

If the 10th album is released in 2016 - which is the most likely scenario - that will be 25 years ago.

Kinda skipped right over Re-Load, eh? ;)

And millions of Metallica fans would disagree with you about DM not being a new classic in their discography, including me.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on January 06, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.
I don't even count that one. AJFA was their last "classic" for me, although up until St.Anger there were a bunch of pretty good songs mixed in with the bad ones. But the first 4 albums are on another level for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 07:37:36 PM
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.

And i agree with the majority :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 07:40:14 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.

That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight. The songwriting on The Black Album was better than the first four albums on multiple levels, and I love the first four albums. Mainstream and classic aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Ride the Lightning is their best album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
RTL is actually easily my least favourite of the first four. The strong songs are as good as ever, but it has relatively more filler, and it's not strong filler.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
The songwriting on The Black Album was better than the first four albums on multiple levels, and I love the first four albums. Mainstream and classic aren't mutually exclusive.

Yeah, sure, we'll go with that.... ::)

"Better" is in the "Eye of the Beholder."  See what I did there?   ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Agree. RTL has awesome songs but it has two duds whereas MOP ( in my opinion ) has 8 fantastic songs on it.

Even the "weakest" song on MOP is still much better than Trapped Under Ice or Escape.

( my opinion ) .

My Top 3 Metallica albums would be : Master, Metallica and Ride.


My least favourite would be : Saint Anger, And Justice For All and Kill Em All.


Which quite rightly puts the Loads and DM in the middle.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on January 06, 2014, 08:02:18 PM
I'd say AJFA is my least favourite of the first four. If I had to choose a favourite of the first four, I'd go with Lightning, but I actually agree with Blob that it has a lot of filler.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
The most recent Metallica album I own is the Black album and nothing I've heard since has really made me regret that. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Load has some good stuff on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 08:12:56 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.

That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight.

Agreed, it's not in the same level as the first 4 albums but is a classic anyway.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 06, 2014, 08:30:54 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.

That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight.

Agreed, it's not in the same level as the first 4 albums but is a classic anyway.

I am one of those people that viewed the Black Album as a big let down.    But NOT because it was different.    After three VERY similar albums, it was obvious that a change of some sort was needed.

What bothered me (an many Metallica fans at the time) was that they had come as far as they had by breaking new ground and doing what they wanted to do.   No radio airplay, no music videos (until One)...they were playing metal like it had never been played to the public before.   What they were doing was unprecedented.

The first four albums (yes, even KEA *at the time*) was breaking new ground.    But The Black Album turned Metallica from trend setters, to trend followers.   TBA, while being a extremely good and listenable metal album, was pretty cliched.   It was nothing that hadn't been done before.      Yes it was catchy.   But you could almost dance to it.   That really seemed to go against everything Metallica had built up to that point.

I wanted change, but I wanted something that would continue to piss off most people.    Even if they would have simplified and released some form of early groove album...but made it even heavier.    Can you imagine James Hetfield singing on something more akin to Sepultura's Chaos AD???    Now *THAT* would have been Grammy worthy. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
I'm pretty spotty on Metallica history and that stuff, but at that point in time, would have even been capable of singing like that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 08:41:02 PM
We'll, he was much more of a thrash vocalist, not a "singer" per se, during the first 4 albums.  He totally ragged out his voice during the AJFA tour and subsequent Black Album recording and that was when he first started with vocal lessons to teach him to use his voice properly and preserve it because at that point he was on a collision course for wrecking it permanently.

Thereafter, he became more of a "singer."  So I'd say his singing ability really was just developing at that point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 08:41:45 PM
Dancing to TBA? What the hell kind of dance would that be?! :lol It's a straight up headbanging metal album, just as the first 4 were.
TBA was actually more complex than the first four albums, it was just more concise and accessible at the same time, in the perfect blend. It had more layered guitars and vocals, additional instruments, better vocal lines, more variety, mixed with strong songwriting and amazing production. To me it was pretty much the peak of the mountain for Metallica, sloping off on both sides.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2014, 08:42:56 PM
What jammindude wrote about the Black Album could easily be applied to Queensryche's Empire - I remember both albums getting exactly the same response from diehard fans,  but as they released more and more shite albums , most fans came to appreciate what they had in those two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
Well, Chaos AD is like an equivalent (for each band discography) if compared to the Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
I was just randomly listening to Death Magnetic after no listening to it since probably a couple of months after it came out.  I was pleasantly surprised at how much I like some of the songs.  It's really just the production that keeps me from listening to it.  I'm not overly sensitive to overly hot mastering in many cases, but this is one of those albums where it definitely stands out and hinders my enjoyment significantly.  But the songs themselves are actually really good. 

So that prompted me to listen to St. Anger.  I may be the only person who had never previously heard St. Anger before.  Now I have.  Now I understand the criticism.  So, so bad.  I only listened to the first two songs in their entirety and got part way through Some Kind of Monster before having to turn if off (although that song was a step up from the first two). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:53:51 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 08:55:05 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.

I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:56:26 PM
MY LIFESTYLE


DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2014, 08:57:35 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.

I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol

Haha..........as a teenager I had a similar thought and used some Nitro as my alarm.  Never once late for uni from that point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
MY LIFESTYLE


DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE

Epic lyrics detected  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.

I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol

Haha..........as a teenager I had a similar thought and used some Nitro as my alarm.  Never once late for uni from that point.

:rollin I'd rather not wake up with the feeling I'm about to get mauled by a pack of pissed off cats. I'll stick to waking up with the feeling that a Danish midget is banging a trashcan against my head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2014, 09:04:41 PM
I'll stick to waking up with the feeling that a Danish midget is banging a trashcan against my head.

Quote from: Ben Roethlisberger
THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE LARS IS DANISH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 06, 2014, 09:41:36 PM
And coincidentally he looks like another Ben. The youngest kid on Growing Pains.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 06, 2014, 09:54:10 PM
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses.  It may be the most laughable ones ever incorporated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2014, 10:00:12 PM
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses.  It may be the most damage ever incorporated.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on January 06, 2014, 10:10:16 PM
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses.  It may be the most laughable ones ever incorporated.
Yeah.



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 08, 2014, 12:39:56 AM
So today i finally gave Lulu a good listen. Only the first half so far. I still stand by all i said earlier.

But i must admit that while listening to it alone in my car i laughed multiple times. What made me laugh was some of Lou Reed's lyrics. They are pretty outrageous at times. At other times though i really loved his lyrics. I don't like the monotony of his voice reading them. I don't listen to any other Lou Reed stuff so i don't know if this is his usual style or if he was just doing something different here. I'm sure the guy can carry a tune so i wish at times he had more melody and actually sang. To me, this is the major downfall of Lulu. I love his poetry, i love Hetfield's vocal parts, and the music was great. Very interesting. As i'v heard said before, there are Black Sabbath-like riffs in parts that i really enjoyed. And Lars was good as he usually is IMO.

But yea, it's fuckin weird. And I love it. There is no other band like Metallica and i don't think there ever will be. They're #1 and do something like Lulu. I can't see another band having this happen to them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 08, 2014, 12:42:51 AM
Listen to Metal Machine Music later, you will love it  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 08, 2014, 12:54:52 AM
So today i finally gave Lulu a good listen. Only the first half so far. I still stand by all i said earlier.

But i must admit that while listening to it alone in my car i laughed multiple times. What made me laugh was some of Lou Reed's lyrics. They are pretty outrageous at times. At other times though i really loved his lyrics. I don't like the monotony of his voice reading them. I don't listen to any other Lou Reed stuff so i don't know if this is his usual style or if he was just doing something different here. I'm sure the guy can carry a tune so i wish at times he had more melody and actually sang. To me, this is the major downfall of Lulu. I love his poetry, i love Hetfield's vocal parts, and the music was great. Very interesting. As i'v heard said before, there are Black Sabbath-like riffs in parts that i really enjoyed. And Lars was good as he usually is IMO.

But yea, it's fuckin weird. And I love it. There is no other band like Metallica and i don't think there ever will be. They're #1 and do something like Lulu. I can't see another band having this happen to them.

If you haven't heard the last track (Junior Dad) yet....please do.   Even most people that hate Lulu admit that it's the highlight of the album.   And those that CAN tolerate Lulu (like me) say it's one of Metallica's best tracks. 

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 08, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
Yea i heard about that one. Apparently an interview (a famous one i hear) with Metallica reveals their love for Junior Dad.

And of course, i listened some more to....you guessed it: St. Anger! The drums i like. I find it refreshing. I'm surprised thrash fans/fans of old and super thrashy Metallica hate on it so much. It's definately the band that made MoP.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2014, 06:51:54 AM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2014, 08:08:38 AM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.

Agreed.  I love Whiplash, and Seek and Destroy is pretty great, too, but everything else is just a blur to me.  It doesn't help that I am not a fan of speed metal, so the furious nature of the debut is not really my thing.  I'd definitely take The Black Album over it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on January 08, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
Yeah, Kill 'Em All is a solid debut but not much more for me. The classic albums are without a doubt Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and And Justice For All. While I do like Load, it's really the only album after And Justice.. that I revisit, and even then it's not that often. But yeah, those three classic albums alone are so good that the fact that they became pretty lame afterwards doesn't matter that much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2014, 08:18:14 AM
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.

Oh well, I guess if you don't like listening to it, so be it. I hate the Beatles! :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2014, 08:25:15 AM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.




I don't like it as much as TBA, AJFA, or MOP, but it's a much more solid album than RTL imo, and I really like it as an album.
There is some saminess with the filler songs, but they're still enjoyable, and there's not a track I dislike on it (aside from the few minutes of random bass noise in the middle), and I think the production is actually quite good considering (again, better than RTL).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2014, 08:27:31 AM
I've always considered RTL as my least favorite of the original four, and even TBA, but it has really grown on me.  It feels rushed. But RTL has some of Kirk's best solos. Very melodic and memorable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 08, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 08, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.

What?  That part is awesome.  Also, they had to ADD it in to the original to stop it being exactly the same as Mechanix, musically :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2014, 09:27:56 PM
The Four Horsemen > > > > > > > The Mechanix.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 08, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
The Four Horsemen > > > > > > > The Mechanix.
This.  :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 08, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.

What?  That part is awesome.  Also, they had to ADD it in to the original to stop it being exactly the same as Mechanix, musically :lol

Exactly my thought. KEA is virtually bereft of melody so any kind of melodic part is more than welcome on it. The fact that it's actually a pretty damn good part makes it an even sweeter contrast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 08, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.




I don't like it as much as TBA, AJFA, or MOP, but it's a much more solid album than RTL imo, and I really like it as an album.
There is some saminess with the filler songs, but they're still enjoyable, and there's not a track I dislike on it (aside from the few minutes of random bass noise in the middle), and I think the production is actually quite good considering (again, better than RTL).


It's only been in the last year (and ONLY in prog rock forums) that I've ever heard any dislike for Anesthesia.   When i was 14, and that album was new...I knew SO MANY GUYS that wanted to play the bass *JUST* because of that song.    Everyone I knew thought it was absolutely amazing.    As teens, we thought it was the "Eruption" of the bass.    It may not be as technical, but it was so freaking awesome that it made a whole generation of longhairs want to pick up a bass instead of a six string.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
And until recently, I'd never heard of anyone who actually liked that bass noodling. Metallica is probably one of the last metal bands that should inspire anybody to pick up a bass guitar. :lol
Title: Re: Just Kidding... :)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 08, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
....Metallica had a bass player? ???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 08, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
When I want to hear a Metallica bass player do some cool stuff I drag out some Infectious Grooves.    I need to be in the mood but there's some cool stuff in there along with light entertainment in between tracks by Mr Sarsippius Sulenamagic Jackson da Turd :)   ..........hopefully someone remembers "Closed Session."
Title: The groove that makes your body move!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 08, 2014, 10:53:16 PM
Why you funk, why you funk, why you fuuunk funk fuuunkin, why you funkin...with mah head?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 09, 2014, 05:08:25 AM
And until recently, I'd never heard of anyone who actually liked that bass noodling. Metallica is probably one of the last metal bands that should inspire anybody to pick up a bass guitar. :lol

....Metallica had a bass player? ???

Spoken like two people who never heard Cliff Burton.   ::)  The guy played bass like lead guitar.  I got the chance to see Metallica when Cliff was still alive back when they were still an opening act and his playing was unreal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2014, 05:20:02 AM
I didn't realize my opinion didn't count unless I saw him live in person. So sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 09, 2014, 05:26:09 AM
No apology necessary, Blob.   ;)  You didn't need to see him live to know his greatness, but if you had seen him live you'd know why your post that said Metallica would not inspire anyone to pick up a bass guitar sounds so absurd to an old dude like me.  Because Cliff inspired multitudes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2014, 05:29:59 AM
There's nothing special about the bass playing on Metallica's early albums, especially compared to other heavy bands of the time like Maiden. The majority of it was just doubling the guitar riffs, with the occasional simple deviation. There were a lot more influential bass players of the time. Playing bass like a guitar does not make good bass playing. It makes a guitar player who got stuck on bass. Anesthesia is a great example of why it doesn't really work.
I'm not saying he was bad at all, but I don't understand why he's suddenly considered so amazing, aside from the dead factor.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 09, 2014, 06:26:53 AM
^ :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 09, 2014, 06:30:02 AM
I think as a live performer, Cliff was a real gem, but if I'm being objective, I think as a bass player, he was barely average.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2014, 07:24:19 AM
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 09, 2014, 10:05:18 AM
The guy played bass like lead guitar.

That would be John Entwistle  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 09, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
The guy played bass like lead guitar.

That would be John Entwistle  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 09, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.

Not as mindblowing but awesome as well: the bass players for Tool, Karnivool and Isis. Deep grooves and creative melodic bassplaying. Really tasteful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 09, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
And Myung of course ! ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 09, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.

Not as mindblowing but awesome as well: the bass players for Tool, Karnivool and Isis. Deep grooves and creative melodic bassplaying. Really tasteful.

Huh?  If you want a great metal bass player, go find these guys that take influence from bass players like Burton?

 :justjen

EDIT:  I think the fact that you can hardly even HEAR Cliff on the recordings is to the detriment of his legacy.  AFAIK he's largely responsible for much of the harmonic structure on the early albums, and is a key player in the overall vibe of the first 3 albums.  As a metal bass player, I think he's deeply influential, sure.  No-one was playing like him.  But I don't think his playing was his strong suit, when you look at the awesome classically influenced passages all over the first three albums; they pretty much stop after his passing. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2014, 04:21:28 PM
Influence doesn't make him a great (in terms of technical skill) bass player. Ringo was an influential drummer, but there's no way he could match guys like Portnoy, Harrison, Minnemann, Donati etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 09, 2014, 04:26:35 PM
There's nothing special about the bass playing on Metallica's early albums, especially compared to other heavy bands of the time like Maiden. The majority of it was just doubling the guitar riffs, with the occasional simple deviation. There were a lot more influential bass players of the time. Playing bass like a guitar does not make good bass playing. It makes a guitar player who got stuck on bass. Anesthesia is a great example of why it doesn't really work.
I'm not saying he was bad at all, but I don't understand why he's suddenly considered so amazing, aside from the dead factor.
There's a certain song (that may be referenced in my sig) that is one of the greatest bass performances of all time. There's also another instrumental song on Ride the Lightning that would like a word with you. You don't have to deviate from the guitar lines to be a good bass player, or even a great one. Cliff was fantastic, and the 3 instrumentals he was a part of should quite readily shut up any kind of detractors. And this logic of "influence doesn't make him great" is utterly fucking laughable. I guess Jimmy Page and Tony Iommi weren't great either, since Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, and John Petrucci can all play circles around them.

Seriously.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 09, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
Influence doesn't make him a great (in terms of technical skill) bass player. Ringo was an influential drummer, but there's no way he could match guys like Portnoy, Harrison, Minnemann, Donati etc.

And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'.  Of course modern musicians are going to be better than the ones that came before, its natural progression.  Cliff was a great player, and a great influence on metal bass players whether Blob likes it or not :P

EDIT: ninja'd by UMH
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
I'm not saying the guy wasn't good, just the stuff equating his playing to the second coming of Christ seems a bit excessive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 09, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Oh my god sneakyblueberry when did you get back?  :omg:

I'm not saying the guy wasn't good, just the stuff equating his playing to the second coming of Christ seems a bit excessive.
Why is Cliff so revered? Call of Ktulu and Orion. Simple as that. Nobody was treating bass ANYTHING like that before Cliff did it with Metallica. And the fact of the matter is, while there were great bass players before Cliff (Steve Harris and Geezer Butler come to mind), the trend at the time was thrash, and none of the big 4 were doing anything nearly as complex with the bass. Hell, nobody OUTSIDE the big 4 was doing it. You have to put yourself in the time frame to really appreciate some things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 09, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
Why is Cliff so revered? Call of Ktulu and Orion. Simple as that. Nobody was treating bass ANYTHING like that before Cliff did it with Metallica. And the fact of the matter is, while there were great bass players before Cliff (Steve Harris and Geezer Butler come to mind), the trend at the time was thrash, and none of the big 4 were doing anything nearly as complex with the bass. Hell, nobody OUTSIDE the big 4 was doing it. You have to put yourself in the time frame to really appreciate some things.
This.  :clap:  And I'd add his songwriting talents, too.  His credits are all over the first 3 albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 09, 2014, 04:46:12 PM
Oh definitely. The songwriting was certainly a major benefit too. Like someone else said (don't know if it was sneak or someone else), the classical influences dropped straight out of Metallica after Burton died (except for To Live is to Die, which is made mostly of Burton's riffs. Go figure). Part of the reason I hold AJFA so much lower than the other 3 "classic albums" is because of that glaring absence. The creativity of the riffs between something like Damage Inc and Dyer's Eve is absolutely night and day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 09, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
Oh my god sneakyblueberry when did you get back?  :omg:

Hola!  :hat

Oh definitely. The songwriting was certainly a major benefit too. Like someone else said (don't know if it was sneak or someone else), the classical influences dropped straight out of Metallica after Burton died (except for To Live is to Die, which is made mostly of Burton's riffs. Go figure). Part of the reason I hold AJFA so much lower than the other 3 "classic albums" is because of that glaring absence. The creativity of the riffs between something like Damage Inc and Dyer's Eve is absolutely night and day.

This, exactly.  I would say the last great slow, classical influenced Metallica instrumental section is the slow part in To Live is to Die, which is absolutely perfect. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 12, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'. 

I'm pretty sure I made that exact argument before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 12, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'. 

I'm pretty sure I made that exact argument before.

Haha sorry dude, not an intentional rip if so. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 13, 2014, 06:49:16 AM
Way to "feed the machine" there...

Nice to know I made an impact though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 13, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
Speaking as someone who was there...yeah. You had to be there. You had to SEE Cliff Burton play. You had to put on a Metallica album and hear what he was doing, and then put on a Judas Priest album and try to FIND the bass part, to really get how good he was.

And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.

Were there better bassists than Cliff Burton at the time? Sure. LOADS. But saying the bass playing in early Metallica is bad and he wasn't influential to a generation of metal bassists can only be said by (1) not being there and (2) really not listening to the first three Metallica albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 11:03:25 AM
I'm certain you can be influential AND not very good at the same time.

I'm sure Jack White has inspired loads of people to play guitar - but is he a GREAT guitar player - certainly not.



p.s. This is just an example - I don't think Cliff was a "bad" player. Just not the be all and end all of bass playing...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 13, 2014, 02:37:05 PM
And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.
Holy hyperbole!

There's no need to be quite so ridiculous. "Great" is very much a subjective term.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 13, 2014, 03:52:57 PM
Speaking as someone who was there...yeah. You had to be there. You had to SEE Cliff Burton play. You had to put on a Metallica album and hear what he was doing, and then put on a Judas Priest album and try to FIND the bass part, to really get how good he was.

And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.

Were there better bassists than Cliff Burton at the time? Sure. LOADS. But saying the bass playing in early Metallica is bad and he wasn't influential to a generation of metal bassists can only be said by (1) not being there and (2) really not listening to the first three Metallica albums.

I'm not saying he wasn't influential. That doesn't mean I want to listen to him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on January 13, 2014, 07:09:26 PM
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.

Oh well, I guess if you don't like listening to it, so be it. I hate the Beatles! :lol

KEA is awesome. Shows how you can have crushing heavy riffs without the stupid down-tuning.

TBA has some nice songs, but it's when Metallica went from fast, lethal Velociraptor to dull, plodding Diplodicus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 13, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
TBA has some nice songs, but it's when Metallica went from fast, lethal Velociraptor to dull, plodding Diplodicus.

Coincidentally, the working title for -Human.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 10:30:11 PM
Now use Dinosaurs to portray the career trajectory of Megadeth.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 13, 2014, 10:35:30 PM
With the greenhouse in effect, the tyrannosaurus was REXED!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
The meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs was the first SUPAH COLLIDAH !!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 13, 2014, 10:46:26 PM
jason > cliff
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 11:00:28 PM
jason > cliff

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 13, 2014, 11:07:43 PM
jason > cliff

True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2014, 11:29:31 PM
jason > cliff

I love Jason...but I can't believe I just read this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 13, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Metallica vs Megadeth

Metallica is much better. Just sayin'. Saw Super Collider mentioned....

Super Collider is not very good.......it's like Megadeth lite. Not like Mustaine can't do full on Megadeth anymore. No, he can. But he tried something different and failed. I was gonna say he should take a page out of Metallica's book and experiment more with their sound, but he did experiment with this album. Just not in the right direction.

I hear people saying Super Collider is more of a rock album rather than a metal album. I don't think so. It's been a month since i listened to it, but i remember it sounding heavy, a lot heavier than what should be branded 'rock'. But then again, maybe my definition's of 'rock' and 'metal' are messed up, because I don't notice these things a lot. Apparently Edguy's newer stuff is more hard rock, but i still hear metal- power metal. I was listening to part of Porcupine Tree's album Deadwing i think it's called, and was thinking 'This isn't really metal. It' more rock'. I hear Porcupine Tree put into the category of progressive metal. I hear rock. Progressice rock actually.

Sorry, i go off on tangents sometime. What were you guys talking about? Bass. Jason Newsted.

Do you think if Newsted stayed in the band, would they have done St. Anger? Do you think the album would be a lot different then St Anger, or very similar? I read the article recently where he said he wasn't a fan of St. Anger. I find it funny, because i bet if he decided to stick it out in Metallica, he would've been playing bass on that exact same album. I think this because it doesn't sound as if he had much musical input with the band, this of course because the guys apparently didn't care much for him...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 13, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
I think, musically, Megadeth are far more interesting.  Better riffs, better solos, better writing in general.

I think if Newsted hadn't left, he would've been sacked.  He wasn't ready to ride the self improvement train, so I don't see the rest of the guys having any other option. 

Newsted is awesome tho.  He wrote Blackened.  So there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 13, 2014, 11:59:20 PM
Did he write many Metallica songs? Cuz they seem more like a band that writes collaboratively. Some bands write songs individually and compile them into an album, and that often results in a lack of flow. Metallica's albums always flow well and have an overall sound or feeling.

And yea, I don't think he would have cooperated with what they were doing with St. Anger. He clearly had enough of Metallica. Rockstar Supernova was a bad move. Well, musically. But in other ways it may have been good that he put himself out there. Anyone ever listen to the Supernova album? Goddamn terrible. The best song was the one written by the singer, you know, the guy who won the contest....i wonder what happened to that guy. He had talent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 14, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
AFAIK he wrote riffs for Blackened and My Friend of Misery.  Metallica don't usually write 'collaboratively' per se.  Kirk and James (and I guess whoevers on bass) record their riff ideas to tape and Hetfield/Ulrich sift through the riff tapes and form songs from the ideas.  Then Hetfield writes the vocal parts.  At least thats how they used to do it.  St. Anger was the exception, which they address in SKOM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Laich21DT on January 14, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
Pardon the drop in post, but:

Pantera > Megadeth/Metallica

Bye now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 14, 2014, 12:48:44 AM
Phil and I share a hometown but NO. They had exactly two good albums (CFH, VDoP) and everything else was merely dotted with good songs. Metallica has the golden three, TBA (better than any post VDoP albums), and KEA (far behind the first two but far beyond FBD.) As for Megadeth, RIP is as good as anything put out by the three bands and PSBWB is a hair better than CFH/VDoP and a hair below the level of the golden three. Megadeth's shit albums mortally stomp Metallica and Pantera's shit albums imo.

It's cool to have this debate though since these are my first three metal bands I ever got into and this is the first time I've ever had the chance to compare and discuss them all at once on this forum.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 14, 2014, 12:50:49 AM
I prefer the two Peaces over any Metallica album, i just enjoy them more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 14, 2014, 12:51:25 AM
Megadeth's shit albums mortally stomp Metallica and Pantera's shit albums

Well said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on January 14, 2014, 12:53:23 AM
AFAIK he wrote riffs for Blackened and My Friend of Misery.

Where the Wild Things Are too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 14, 2014, 12:54:59 AM
Oh yeah I wasn't sure.  I don't think I ever bothered with that song lol.   2 outta 3 aint bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2014, 03:35:46 AM
Mastodon are the current champs. 5 studio albums, an instrumental EP and 1 mini-LP so far and they've yet to mis-step.

I'm confident their new album will be awesome and they'll have put out 6 albums in a row which are all great.



New Mastodon album in 2014 means 7 full length releases in 14 years. Which is pretty good going.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 14, 2014, 06:57:41 AM
Oh yeah I wasn't sure.  I don't think I ever bothered with that song lol.   2 outta 3 aint bad.

Hey, that's a good one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 14, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
Mastodon are the current champs. 5 studio albums, an instrumental EP and 1 mini-LP so far and they've yet to mis-step.

I'm confident their new album will be awesome and they'll have put out 6 albums in a row which are all great.



New Mastodon album in 2014 means 7 full length releases in 14 years. Which is pretty good going.

What about Opeth? They've put 8 amazing albums in a row.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 14, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
In before Orchid/Morningrise haters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on January 14, 2014, 12:44:32 PM
In before Orchid/Morningrise haters.
Also in before My Arms, Your Hearse haters (how do these exist?!?!)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 14, 2014, 01:02:13 PM
back to jason. that guy was shit on way too much for way too long. fuck hetfield.

i'd honestly say jason is was the most 'metallica' member of metallica. what other member adored them before becoming a member? sure he was held back in the writing and in the studio, but that fucker brought it live more than anyone else and connected with the audience more than ayone else(?).

as for megadave vs metallica. its too convenient to shit on dave post super collider. i stopped listening to metallica 8 years ago ("so what are yuo doing viewing/posting in this thread!?") but only stopped listening to megadave after 4 spins of the super collider leak the week before its release (surely that wasnt enough to stop me forever?! we'll see).
was pretty funny though how TBA sold more copies the second week of june than did super collider (as i think was mentioned maybe in this thread or in the megadave thread)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on January 14, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
jason > cliff

jason>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cliff (at being alive)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 14, 2014, 02:40:45 PM
Don't know if I should laugh at that....















:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2014, 04:31:16 PM
it's been nearly 28 years.

Laugh away.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
back to jason. that guy was shit on way too much for way too long. fuck hetfield.


According to Jason - the hazing was only for like 6 months and that was before he was even officially in the band. After he was asked to join full time and not just to finish the tour - it tailed off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 14, 2014, 09:29:28 PM
I think the hazing went on a little longer actually, considering they didn't let him play on ...And Justice For All.












:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 14, 2014, 09:48:08 PM
On the A Year and a Half in the Life of VHS, I think he mentions it as a current thing and that came out in '92 or '93.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 15, 2014, 12:34:31 AM
like he didnt ALWAYS have hetfield standing there, arms crossed, staring him down as he recorded his parts.

and he probs had enough beer bottles thrown at him when trying to bring forth an idea during a jam to learn best not do that.

the unexaggerated kicker is how he was strictly forbid from releasing music with other musicians.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 15, 2014, 01:21:54 AM
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.

Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 15, 2014, 01:48:00 AM
Shit, they made a 27-song Load, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic over a 14-year stretch and followed that with 5 years of vaguely worded stall tactics. It ain't surprising that they ain't trying to cook for the whole neighborhood when they can't even finish a meal in their own house.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2014, 04:50:13 AM
Shit, they made a 27-song Load, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic over a 14-year stretch and followed that with 5 years of vaguely worded stall tactics. It ain't surprising that they ain't trying to cook for the whole neighborhood when they can't even finish a meal in their own house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SIk6YgUwhY&t=47s  :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 15, 2014, 10:00:09 AM
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.

Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.

Just to make sure, I think Newsted quit the band.  Though, something like the whole "Lars and/or James does not allow side-projects or something like that" led to him quitting.  Either way, I think he was bound on his way out anyway.

Now to show this video, since seeing Lars act like a douchbag pleases me for entertainment reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_8E3FOU4s
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 15, 2014, 05:39:17 PM
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.

Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.

Just to make sure, I think Newsted quit the band.  Though, something like the whole "Lars and/or James does not allow side-projects or something like that" led to him quitting.  Either way, I think he was bound on his way out anyway.

Now to show this video, since seeing Lars act like a douchbag pleases me for entertainment reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_8E3FOU4s

I find the immense Lars hate even more amusing. Not that it's not grounded, but these are essentially people giving the current Lars shit for what he's said 10 years ago.

But on that note, Some Kind of Monster is a great watch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on January 24, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
Just wanted to clarify something I said earlier about TBA. There are a couple of other huge reasons why I don't consider it a great or classic album - Lars plays the same exact drum beat in every song, and Kirk plays pretty much the same wah solo in every song. That's so lazy compared to their respective efforts on the previous album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2014, 10:49:09 AM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 24, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

If you have two hours where you weren't doing anything fun anyway, why not?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2014, 12:24:50 PM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

If you have two hours where you weren't doing anything fun anyway, why not?
:lol That really didn't convince me at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow2222 on January 24, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

It is actually a pretty fun movie. The storyline makes absolutely no sense at all, but does have some interesting visuals, and the concert portion is your typical Metallica show with a couple extra things (no big deal really, though), so it is a pretty fun watch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

It is actually a pretty fun movie. The storyline makes absolutely no sense at all, but does have some interesting visuals, and the concert portion is your typical Metallica show with a couple extra things (no big deal really, though), so it is a pretty fun watch.
Yea I pretty much had that figured out. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 24, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
The concert scenes are great; the story scenes are nonsensical, self-important, faux artsy foolishness.  And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2014, 08:49:12 PM
And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat

I used to be but since 2001 it seems everything they've done has been detrimental to how they are perceived.

Death Magnetic and Beyond Magnetic are the two positives in almost 13 years of WTF-ery.

Metallica love doing the unexpected - which is ironic since right now - nobody expects them to do a new album. 

When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 24, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.

I really don't understand this sort of mindset. I'd much rather go in with no expectations than negative ones. There's really no way to know how it'll turn out and how it'll sit with the fanbase for that matter until we give it a listen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Well - considering they were trying their absolute best on Death Magnetic & that album was "good" at best - I don't see how they can better it in their early 50s.

The best thing they could do is put out another "Reload" - full of decent mid tempo & ballady songs that they can actually play live.

But anything with good audio would be a step up from DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 25, 2014, 02:55:20 AM
hey kotowboy, dude....come on

I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 03:16:08 AM
hey notepad, dude...come on

I said Death Magnetic was "good".

There's the *other* type of Metallica fan that thinks everything they do is 10/10 just because it has their name on the front.

When a band says " we've done everything we can think of to NOT do this album - but now we're out of excuses " ( exact quote ) - then you know they're only doing it for

the sake of it and the result could only be half-assed at best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 25, 2014, 10:33:54 AM
When a band says " we've done everything we can think of to NOT do this album - but now we're out of excuses " ( exact quote ) - then you know they're only doing it for the sake of it and the result could only be half-assed at best.
Holy out of context Batman!!  I think you missed the joke -- it's called sarcasm.

And only half-assed at best?   ::)  DM kicks major ass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 10:47:17 AM
I didn't say DM was half-assed - I in fact said they tried their best on that album if you actually read my post.

And it may be sarcasm but it's one of those "we joke but it's actually the truth" type things.

They have been doing everything but starting work on a new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 25, 2014, 10:55:33 AM
I read your post ... and in addition to demonstrating an inability to understand sarcasm by Lars it said -- and I'll quote you since precision is important to you -- that "the result could only be half assed at best."   ::)  You said that, not me.  You want to say such inane things then say them, man, but own it -- and don't blame me if you get called out for it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Which was directed at the next album. Not DM.


What else ya got ?  :heart
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 25, 2014, 11:11:29 AM
Nothing but love, Kotowboy.   :biggrin:

They've procrastinated for every album since "Justice"  ... while some might disagree on certain albums, I wouldn't call all of those results half-assed just because they're a band that seems to take forever to put out new music each time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 25, 2014, 04:20:26 PM
hey kotowboy, dude....come on

I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.

there's also a ton of fan-boy's that will blindly like a new metallica album no matter what they release. surely much of the fanbase that liked st anger upon its release fall into such a category.

and just cuz DM 'has what fans have been saying they want metallica to do again' doesnt mean it was well executed. i mean, i wouldnt actually know as i stopped spinning Tallica in '06 and thus havent heard it, but it seems a commom sentiment (and has been [re]referenced in just the most recent pages of this thread).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 25, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
hey kotowboy, dude....come on

I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.

there's also a ton of fan-boy's that will blindly like a new metallica album no matter what they release. surely much of the fanbase that liked st anger upon its release fall into such a category.

and just cuz DM 'has what fans have been saying they want metallica to do again' doesnt mean it was well executed. i mean, i wouldnt actually know as i stopped spinning Tallica in '06 and thus havent heard it, but it seems a commom sentiment (and has been [re]referenced in just the most recent pages of this thread).

That portion of the fanbase is either incredibly minuscule or more soft-spoken about their thoughts then. Really, there's fans like that in any fanbase.

I personally think DM was well executed (save production). A lot of the songs themselves are excellent and kick-ass, though if you've listened to the Beyond Magnetic EP, I could think of a couple of songs on DM that should have been swapped out for some of the stuff on the EP.

Either way, I think it's important to not just dismiss everybody who happens to actually like Death Magnetic, or even Load, Reload and St. Anger as just mindless fans.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
I'm in no way a massive Metallica fan and I prefer Load & Reload to St. Anger & Death Magnetic.

It may be a straw man argument but I didn't blindly accept SA & DM " because at least dey woz methulz "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 25, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
It may be a straw man argument but I didn't blindly accept SA & DM " because at least dey woz methulz "

And that's perfectly fine. I didn't blindly decide I was going to like DM after I heard news that "it would be Metallica going back to their roots". I think most fans genuinely enjoy what they had to offer on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
DM is a decent album. it's not up there with the first 5 by any means. I think people loved it so much just because it wasn't as bad as St. Anger.

if the next album is DM part 2 and has good production then people will be all over it just because it doesn't sound as bad as DM.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 25, 2014, 05:16:54 PM
I'm not a diehard Metallica fan by any means, I only own Master Of Puppets and ...And Justice For All.

And personally, I thought Death Magnetic was pretty decent, production issues aside.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 25, 2014, 05:23:35 PM
I'm in that boat. DM is good, though not up there with the first 5. If they fix the production issues, then that's already a step up.

And well, if the next album ends up being better than DM, then of course people will generally be more kind towards it. Isn't that just a given?

I don't see the need in making up excuses for why people might like certain albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 25, 2014, 06:43:13 PM
Death Magnetic is pretty good, they're excellent live.  These songs come alive more live than in the studio, but their are songs like that from many bands.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 10:00:59 PM
And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat

I used to be but since 2001 it seems everything they've done has been detrimental to how they are perceived.

Death Magnetic and Beyond Magnetic are the two positives in almost 13 years of WTF-ery.

Metallica love doing the unexpected - which is ironic since right now - nobody expects them to do a new album. 

When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.

Just 13 years?  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 25, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
Judging from what the band members have said recently, they realize that DM was in the right direction and will be heading further that way with the next album. Funny how the way St Anger and DM were described by press releases before they were released described each with pretty much the same words and phrases.

St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?

Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 11:17:48 PM
Judging from what the band members have said recently, they realize that DM was in the right direction and will be heading further that way with the next album. Funny how the way St Anger and DM were described by press releases before they were released described each with pretty much the same words and phrases.

St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?

Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.

Ah man, it will never happen... People hate this album, and they have plenty good reasons for it, trust me,i know you like the album but it's not just blind hate.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 25, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.

Back around when St. Anger came out I was in high-school. I remember a lot of friends and classmates who really liked it. Most of them weren't really into metal, most of them being more into popular rock(and metal) bands and rap. That says something about the quality of the songs; they judged St. Anger on it's own, not in comparison to their other albums or heavy metal bands. Most Metallica fans/critics love Metallica for their older and thrashier albums. So it's no surprise they are negative about St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 25, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
I like metal. I like rap. I like prog. I like folk, post-rock, djent, death metal, grunge, black metal, pop rock and power metal.

The dislike of St. Anger isn't because it's "not metal".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.

I agree that these albums have more backslash than they deserves (like saying they're some of the worst albums ever, that isn't true) but there's plenty of people that didn't enjoy them simply because they don't like them as music, nothing to do with change of genres or styles.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 11:59:19 PM
The dislike of St. Anger isn't because it's "not metal".

That's it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2014, 12:38:20 AM
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.

St Anger is fast, angry metal, so I don't see that as a problem. The problem is just that it's an overall weak album imo. And I don't mean that as empty bashing, as I do think it has a few good tracks, and some good ideas, but overall people just dislike it because it's not well written, or well performed, or well produced. Maybe it gets a little bit more hate than it deserves, but not by much.

It does play more of a part with Load/Reload, especially with metal fans who were into the band prior to that, and then had the curveball of some blues hard rock. That said, there are also plenty of people who dislike those albums because there are a lot of dud songs on there, and was essentially one album of writing padded out to a double album.
I do think a lot of songs on Load and Reload are among Metallica's best, and hugely underrated, so I do agree there are a lot of diehard thrash fans who hated those albums merely on principle (even here on DTF), but I'm also not going to discount that a lot of people gave those albums a fair chance and just didn't think they were good.

I listen to Metallica's non-thrash stuff like TBA, Load and Reload a lot more than I do the first 4 albums these days, so I'll always defend those albums, but everyone's got their own valid opinion. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
I think Metallica is much better than And Justice For All.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
It's my favourite Metallica album by a fair margin, so I'd agree. But AJFA would be my favourite of the thrash era albums, but unfortunately the shitty production stops me from ever listening to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 01:18:46 AM
If I was to rate them chronologically - for me they'd go :

Kill < Ride < Master > AJFA < Metallica < Load = Reload **  > St. Anger < Death Magnetic.





** ( still can't decide which I like more )



For such a huge band - They really have got way too many awful sounding albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 26, 2014, 01:51:04 AM
It's my favourite Metallica album by a fair margin, so I'd agree. But AJFA would be my favourite of the thrash era albums, but unfortunately the shitty production stops me from ever listening to it.

AJFA is my fav overall but i never enjoyed Metallica that much even when i was into thrash metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 26, 2014, 06:20:03 AM
I watched the first half hour of Through The Never yesterday with my girlfriend, only because we were waiting for an other movie to finish. It seemed pretty cool though. The only problem being Lars' drumming. My girlfriend is no drumming/rythmic fanatic at all, but she complained about the bad drumming right away. The opening staccato riff of Creeping Death.. why can't Lars actually 'count' the rests that are supposed to be in there? He can't even get it right for the official Metallica 3D movie.. geez.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 06:25:18 AM
He does tap the hi hat - but he usually just does it too fast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 26, 2014, 06:28:43 AM
It's such a shame because Metallica are basically legends. The rest of the band still plays well, but Lars just drags them down. The worst part is, that the rest of the band actually go along with the 'let's time every accent way too fast' style of Ulrich.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 26, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?

Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.
I like St. Anger.  It's what I would call a "grower" because I like it more over time than I did initially.  And I agree that it's reputation will grow with time.  I tend to give it a spin in the CD player more often than "Load" or "Re-Load."  It's biggest problem is that Bob Rock didn't do his job by bothering to edit or curtail the band from going overboard with Pro Tools -- songs that are OK on St. Anger at 8 minutes long could've been really popping if trimmed to 5.5 minutes.

During the course of that tour and subsequent tours and one-off shows they've played most of the songs from the album at one point or another, but not "Invisible Kid," "Shoot Me Again," "Purify" or "My World."  The original release of "St. Anger" came with a DVD of them playing the whole album live in the studio, so clips from that are your only place to see "Invisible Kid" performed "live" at this point.  In time I suspect they'll play the remaining songs on tour somewhere -- those four "St. Anger" songs are the only songs they have left that they haven't played live at some point.

The one played the most was "Frantic" but it had certain modifications live -- trimmed slightly live and a guitar solo added by Kirk.  Here's the breakdown of the rest:

"Frantic" and "Dirty Window" were last played during the 30th anniversary Fillmore shows in 2011.
"St. Anger"  hasn't been played since 2006.
"Sweet Amber" was only played 9/4/04 in Lubbock, TX
"Some Kind of Monster" was last played 8/27/04 in Chicago (it's only been played 3 times).
"Unnamed Feeling" was last played 3/14/04 in Fresno, CA (it's only been played 5 times).
"All Within My Hands" was only played at the two Bridge School Benefit shows in 2007.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 07:34:27 AM
Lars has actually improved recently but still speeds up. Kirk however can barely play a solo accurately.

Back in 2004-2006 kind of time you would listen to them live just waiting for Lars to completely screw up - but he barely messes up these days - just plays a bit fast whereas Kirk can hardly play a solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 26, 2014, 08:06:53 AM
I disagree. I think Kirk has a very cool soloing style. He tends to be a little sloppy, he's certainly no JP/Satriani/Vai kind of player. I mean, Page was sloppy as well but rocked nonetheless. I think the same can be said for KH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 08:44:32 AM
Listening to Kirk solo - he goes way off the tempo and just faffs until he can accent on a downbeat. he does it all the time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 26, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
I'm with kotowboy on this one (how the fuck do we not have an easier, abbreviated nickname for you by now?!) Kirk seems to shoehorn groups of notes which are played in threes either into a triplet feel when they aren't or vice versa (never sat down with it to figure it out) he bends notes sourly, and is pretty badly awkward with a wah pedal for someone who's probably used one since the late 70s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 26, 2014, 11:47:30 AM
I'm with you guys. Is the problem here just not practising, just like with Lars? It'd be awesome if he could nail things like the solo from The Struggle Within (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25jGtm41LcA) again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
Lars has said he's been practicing to music recently - and I think the 2012 tour at least shows.

The Black Album Anniversary shows were a big improvement for him.

I'm with kotowboy on this one (how the fuck do we not have an easier, abbreviated nickname for you by now?!)

K.B.  or Dave.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 26, 2014, 12:21:44 PM
That's true. I still don't like his fills (especially compared to the 80s-early 90s) and his timing/speeding up is still bad, but at least he's got some speed back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 26, 2014, 12:33:31 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.

Dave Mustaine is considered a guitar legend, or will be. But none of the Metallica guys have a reputation like that. And they're the more popular band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 26, 2014, 01:08:06 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.
:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago.  Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.

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Dave Mustaine is considered a guitar legend, or will be. But none of the Metallica guys have a reputation like that. And they're the more popular band.
I guess it depends upon whom you talk to, but I don't know if I'd consider him to be a guitar legend. In his glory days, I'd say Dave was infinitely more innovative and interesting as a guitarist, but I don't think I'd place him up with Jimmy Page, Dave Gilmour, Tony Iommi, Alex Liefson or any other legends that could be named.

As for their popularity, well, I guess that just speaks to how popularity and quality do not always go hand-in-hand.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 26, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.
:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago.  Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.

You people are confusing the hell out of me.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 26, 2014, 01:22:00 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.
:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago.  Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.

You people are confusing the hell out of me.   :lol
:facepalm: :lol

It sounded fine in my head!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 26, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.

I never really hear or read any positive comments about Kirk. I often hear things like: he's mediocre, his solos are bland, not original. I'm curious about how much of Metallicas songwriting can be credited to him. And is he the only one that gets to play guitar solos, on recordings and live?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2014, 01:57:37 PM
James plays a couple solos, I can think of 3 or 4 but its mainly Kirk.  Kirk just has terrible intonation, which is the main reason I can't stand his incessant, incoherent wankfests.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 26, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
James is not spoken of highly as a lead guitarist because that's not what he is.  However, he is pound for pound one of the best rhythm guitarists out there and gets much love for that from fans, fellow musicians and critics alike.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
60% of the time, his solos are better than Kirks.  Every time. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 26, 2014, 03:03:04 PM
60% of the time, his solos are better than Kirks.  Every time.
:rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 03:58:37 PM
James is much better at soloing than Kirk - he may not be technical or fast or shreddy but he plays for the song and it's always tasteful.

I had a thought recently. Since James recorded *all* rhythms for The Black Album and recorded the Nothing Else Matters solo - that means that

Kirk is not even on that song at all :lol

Some of James' best solos :

• Nothing Else Matters
• First half of Master Of Puppets
• First half of Suicide & Redemption


There's a comprehensive list on the net of all James' solos and you'd be surprised which ones are his.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on January 26, 2014, 04:03:39 PM
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.
Exodus is doing better than ever these days, and you aren't completely off with the Death Metal thought. With the addition of Rob Dukes, their already visceral sound is the complete package.

But there older stuff is definitely thrash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2014, 05:15:35 PM
James' solo on To Live is To Die is probably one of the best Metallica solos of like, ever. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 26, 2014, 09:40:35 PM
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.
Exodus is doing better than ever these days, and you aren't completely off with the Death Metal thought. With the addition of Rob Dukes, their already visceral sound is the complete package.

But there older stuff is definitely thrash.

I have not heard a lot of their stuff with Dukes, but what I have heard is *VERY* impressive. 

I have a difficult time listening to really aggressive music any more....but I know the style so well from my youth that I can tell when it's being done well.   I heard a few tracks from Shovel Headed Kill Machine and Exhibit A, and I was pretty blown away.    Mostly, I was just surprised that they didn't get a Souza clone...that probably would have been the better business decision.   But I've never been a fan of "the smart business decision" when it comes to music.    I think integrity is more important, and right now I think Exodus has it in spades.   

He actually sounds a bit more like Baloff to me.   Maybe that's what they were going for.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 26, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
trying to remember who said no one's ever accused metallica of being artsy.
i thought they were insta-artsy as soon as the UIS video dropped.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 27, 2014, 12:55:23 AM
Was listening to Lulu. For the most part the sound of the guitars, drums etc. have the same 'sound' as DM. Seems like that's where they're comfortable. I will say that I kinda hope on the next one they write in a way thats less reliant on compiling a bunch of riffs from demos into a song, and go more with, you know, Feeling, so that the songs flow better. I like DM a lot, and that's my only complaint. I feel like the thrash side played a big part in DM because they feel some pressure, but they still did stuff like Unforgiven. You know, the 'commercial' stuff people hate so much. I hope they go about the next one in a similar way.

BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on January 27, 2014, 03:40:06 AM
I just listened to ...And Justice for All. I had forgotten how great it is. There are three songs I don't like that much, but that are good nevertheless (The Shortest Straw, Harvester of Sorrow, The Frayed Ends of Sanity). The remaining six songs are awesome. Easily better album than TBA. I wish they'd written more songs like on this album, with lengthy and melodic instrumental passages. TBA's melodic content is by far inferior. One thing about bugs me though. Lars plays very often something slightly off-beat.

Eye of the Beholder is a real kick-ass song. Why haven't they played in its entirety since Damaged Justice tour?

I can't really rank albums, since I haven't heard all of Kill 'Em All. I haven't listened to Ride the Lightning as an album, only the individual songs. But since I don't care about thrash metal anymore, those albums aren't exactly my thing. KEA is pretty much Diamond Head played 20% faster. Ride the Lightning has awful production and worst James vocals IMO. I have heard St.Anger only once and haven't listened too much to Death Magnetic either. But some kind of ranking could be:

Master of Puppets
Load
...And Justice for All
--------------------------
ReLoad
Metallica
--------------------------
Ride the Lightning
Kill 'Em All
St. Anger

No Leaf Clover and -Human are great IMO, but I don't like I Disappear. It has awesome chorus, but rest of the song is quite bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 27, 2014, 03:51:41 AM
Heyyyy hey HEY!

FatAlbertcore :metal

Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 27, 2014, 04:17:19 AM
BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?

I think of DM as the missing link between AJFA and TBA.  It seems like a 'perfect' melding of the two. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 27, 2014, 04:28:56 AM
Heyyyy hey HEY!

FatAlbertcore :metal

Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
I gotta say, the collab not working out was mainly due to the complete lack of tempo stability (mainly Lars' fault). If they would have played it tight and not too fast, it would have been great. The concept was pretty cool anyway. I really liked Lang Lang nailing the guitar solo :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 27, 2014, 04:54:26 AM
Heyyyy hey HEY!

FatAlbertcore :metal

Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
I gotta say, the collab not working out was mainly due to the complete lack of tempo stability (mainly Lars' fault). If they would have played it tight and not too fast, it would have been great. The concept was pretty cool anyway. I really liked Lang Lang nailing the guitar solo :P

I'm watching it now, and I totally agree with you. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on January 27, 2014, 05:05:45 AM
It was a bit better than I was expecting as far as the band's performance goes. But I don't think the piano part jived with the song at all for the most part.

Still, it's great to have an actual metal band perform at the Grammys and hopefully get more people interested in metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2014, 05:10:34 AM
BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?

I think of DM as the missing link between AJFA and TBA.  It seems like a 'perfect' melding of the two.

Yeah somewhere between there. If DM had the production of the black album it may have ben one of their best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2014, 05:15:06 AM
Just watching the Grammy performance. James sounds good and no facial hair ! :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 27, 2014, 06:06:23 AM
OH LOOK, RANKINGS ON DTF, MAKES A CHANGE.

I love it though.

1. ...And Justice For All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Load
4. Metallica
5. Death Magnetic
6. Ride the Lightning
7. Reload
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 27, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
1. Ride the Lightning
2. Load
3. Master of Puppets
4. Metallica
5. ... And Justice For All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Kill 'Em All
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 27, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
Just watched the Grammy performance... A few thoughts...

I watched on my crappy computer speakers at work, so the sound wasn't great but it sounded like Lang Lang was playing some cool stuff.

James sounded awesome!!

Lars' timing and tempos were really shakey.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 27, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
James sounded very good indeed, maybe the best he's sounded since the nineties? He also looked a lot better without the goatee and hair dye.

Quoting comment from Youtube: "The pianist might be good but he totally messed up this performance."
Lol, no. That was Lars. If he would've kept the same tempo (and preferably not much faster than the album version) it would've sounded great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 27, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
James sounded very good indeed, maybe the best he's sounded since the nineties? He also looked a lot better without the goatee and hair dye.

Quoting comment from Youtube: "The pianist might be good but he totally messed up this performance."
Lol, no. That was Lars. If he would've kept the same tempo (and preferably not much faster than the album version) it would've sounded great.

I respectfully digress with that statement. 

Anywho, I didn't mind that performance of One at the Grammys with the pianist.  It's a decent twist of a song we've been hearing a lot on radio, live, etc. for up to 25 years.  Is it perfect?  No, maybe not.  Was it enjoyable?  I say yes and, at the end of the day, that is what is all about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 27, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
1. Master of Puppets
2. ... And Justice For All
3. Metallica
4. Ride the Lightning
5. Death Magnetic
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 27, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
1. Nevermind
2. Bleach
3. Incesticide
4. Unplugged in New York
5. In Utero
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 27, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
...

 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 27, 2014, 06:01:15 PM
1. In Utero
2. Nevermind
3. Bleach
4. Incesticide
5. Unplugged in New York


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2014, 11:42:08 PM
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.

That. The piano did have a couple of cool moments, but it didn't work with Metallica's performance overall (and I think the band's intonation was slightly off too). I almost feel sorry for Hetfield being stuck with those other guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 12:12:24 AM
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.

That. The piano did have a couple of cool moments, but it didn't work with Metallica's performance overall (and I think the band's intonation was slightly off too). I almost feel sorry for Hetfield being stuck with those other guys.

Yeah, now that you mention it.  He's the only one who seems to really give a shit enough to at least work on his shortcomings.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 12:15:10 AM
I think Trujillo's cool too. He's just woefully underutilized.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 12:16:16 AM
Oh yeah, definitely.  I didn't count him cos the whole thing is still relatively 'new' for him, at least in comparison to the other guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 12:17:54 AM
It'd be awesome to see a Het/Trujillo/Mustaine/Lombardo EP.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2014, 12:26:49 AM
I think Trujillo's cool too. He's just woefully underutilized.

Agreed, but I'm not counting him since he's a newer member, and not part of the core member suckage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 12:33:12 AM
I'm sure most of us have seen that cool clip where Rob's fucking around with flamenco shit on acoustic and straight shreddin. It'd be cool if they had some of that on an album some time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on January 28, 2014, 06:52:15 AM
That video's hilarious, because Kirk comes in and has this look of "what the fuck, I'm supposed to be the guy awesome with guitar!!!" and tries shredding out on his guitar for a few seconds before giving up.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 09:17:05 AM
Kirk probably tried to get wild and go outside of E minor and quickly became uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
It's because Rob was playing in Phrygian and Locrian and Kirk was way out of his league :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
Kirk knows dominant phrygian.  Js. 

 :police:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
I know . Just kidding. The Roam solo is proof of this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
just yanking ya chain mate ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2014, 06:24:15 PM
:hifive:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Eye of the Beholder's solo is pretty exotic sounding. Anyone care to hip me to what mode that's in?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 28, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
They already passed 6 minutes. Why not just play the whole damn song?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 30, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
Hetfield : " Orion festival was a Financial Disaster - so that can't happen again. "

:clap: :lol

Metallica ! Making terrible decisions since 2001 !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 30, 2014, 12:22:21 PM
I'm kinda bummed out that the Orion Festival failed.  It might have been built to a platform that would have helped out a lot of bands to gain better traction in the US.  What a shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 30, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
Well they tried.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
Eye of the Beholder's solo is pretty exotic sounding. Anyone care to hip me to what mode that's in?

That could be Phrygian Dominant too I think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
Anyone going to see Metallica By Request in Helsinki this summer ?
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=42
You're getting Frayed Ends Of Sanity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 31, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
I love that china sound in the intro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 31, 2014, 11:12:57 AM
Wow, I just looked at a Denmark setlist.  They might play St. Anger (song) in that show.  I didn't think that it was on any fan's radar to wanting it get played.  Some of the Germany shows have it as well.  Wow, this is totally unexpected.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 31, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.
It's really short, but that is one of my favourite drum fills in any Metallica song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mindflux on January 31, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
You guys see Lars did an AMA on Reddit yesterday?

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1wl9ic/hey_its_lars_from_metallica_ama/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 12:49:19 PM
I did and he didn't give much new info away.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.
It's really short, but that is one of my favourite drum fills in any Metallica song.
There's a similar drum fill in Rebel Of Babylon - albeit played with much less precision.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 20, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
New Kirk Hammett interview in Kerrang! this week.

" We still have not started ".

JFC. Does anyone really even care anymore ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on February 20, 2014, 06:37:27 PM
Yes.  But the waiting always sucks. :tdwn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 20, 2014, 09:57:51 PM
New Kirk Hammett interview in Kerrang! this week.

" We still have not started ".

JFC. Does anyone really even care anymore ?

Well, I'll still listen to anything new from Metallica when they are good and ready although they should have been good and ready for about the last, let's say, three years or so.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2014, 05:48:10 AM
If they'd started in 2011 when they originally planned to instead of doing the movie which nobody went to see - the album would be pretty much out now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2014, 03:44:16 PM
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.

It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.

"Death is Not the End" was slightly better than St Anger material but they chopped it up and made two better songs out of it.

And " Vulturus" was laughable.

I think either it will be short-ish and punchy like Cyanide or really too long like All nightmare Long or Death is Not the End.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on March 16, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.

It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.


 ::) ::) ::)  Yep, let's start the pre-judging and hating BEFORE they even play the new song.  There's no possible way it could be any good....   ::)

Frankly, I appreciate that they try new stuff out and then refine it based on how it feels live and how the crowd reacts.  Not many bands of that size would do that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2014, 04:38:28 PM
I'm with Rick. Kotowboy, I wonder what enjoyment you get out of listening to Metallica or posting in this thread since upwards of 90% of your posts regarding them are blatantly negative.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 16, 2014, 07:58:52 PM
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.

It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.


 ::) ::) ::)  Yep, let's start the pre-judging and hating BEFORE they even play the new song.  There's no possible way it could be any good....   ::)

Frankly, I appreciate that they try new stuff out and then refine it based on how it feels live and how the crowd reacts.  Not many bands of that size would do that.

Basically this. I know regardless they're gonna get shit but before we've even heard the song, that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
We'll see how it goes. I'm expecting DM rehash pt 2. I think they're past the point of surprising us any more. They're settled into their rut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2014, 08:37:41 PM
In my opinion, the rut somewhat began on the black album and has continued to the present. DM was at least throwing a bone to those whom never acquired the taste of the Loads or SA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Only if you mistake "rut" for "music I don't like". That was actually the period where they mixed it up the most.
RTL/MOP/AJFA were all very samey, as good as they were. They really needed to break it up at that point, and TBA did that very successfully. Then they threw a curveball with Load and Reload instead of just making TBA pt 2. Then they did an orchestral live album. They were still doing what they wanted at that point, and doing unexpected things. And then they did SA, which while it sucked, was still starkly different in many ways.

DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 16, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
Found a small clip of it.  Sounds promising but I'm sure some of you will find something to nitpick at it that makes it look unsatisfying to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ3f176wFZM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 08:58:57 PM
I can't judge a song from that short a clip, especially with no chorus or vocal sections at all, but I liked what I heard. It sounded more neutral/natural in style for Metallica, and not forced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2014, 09:07:15 PM
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.

Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.

As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.

Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 16, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
Liking what I hear in that short clip. Can't wait to hear the whole thing. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 16, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
......and a big hello to all you Exodus fans - if you can read this  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 16, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Are we really dissing Exodus in here? Exodus are so rad. :I
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 16, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Are we really dissing Exodus in here? Exodus are so rad. :I

I'm not ..............was just having a bit of fun with what black_floyd said at the end of his post.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 09:21:15 PM
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.

Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.

As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.

Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.

 :chill
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 16, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
In other news...

I'm digging what I hear in that clip. It's far too early to give a solid opinion, not to mention from a 15 second clip, but not bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 17, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
Here's the whole song (best quality I could find):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7rh_eL9Jlc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7rh_eL9Jlc)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 17, 2014, 01:26:04 AM
I quite like that song.

EDIT: It's a bit on the long side though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on March 17, 2014, 01:29:21 AM
Well, it definitely sounds like a Metallica song, I'll give them that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2014, 01:38:08 AM
That was a good quality recording.

The song definitely had potential. It was a bit bloated in the intro riffing, and the vocal melodies were back to very simplistic, but it had some really good riffing, and the instrumental section sounded very AJFA to me, with the guitar harmonies followed by the solo.
And I was impressed with their performance. Lars was downright solid, so the riffing was super tight, Hetfield was sounding good, and Hammett's soloing was ok too.

It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on March 17, 2014, 04:52:09 AM
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:00:26 AM
Actually pretty decent.

Everyone seemed to be on top form especially Lars who was SOL-ID.


James sounded strong too. The high notes were powerful and he didn't sound like his voice would go at any second . He really has been getting help.

Looking forward to hearing the soundboard in a few days.


--And yes - i'd rather listen to Load than Death Magnetic too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:40 AM
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.

:iagree:  I'll give that a thumbs up -- definitely heading in the right direction there.  :tup They often take a new song idea and then carve it into a couple other pieces or whittle it down by the time it makes it to a CD, so I'm sure there will be more refinements.  I'm pleased.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 17, 2014, 06:02:03 AM
The instrumental section is good, especially if compared to DM. The rest is average.

It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.

Lord of [Insert menacing word] would be too generic  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:04:05 AM
My theory is that it could be a plea for the Gods to bring the "summer" of your life...i.e to move on from the "winter".

A plea to get out of a bad patch of your life ?

But then again it could be just a song about touring as they usually tour spring / summer time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on March 17, 2014, 06:05:23 AM
On their Facebook post Metallica refer to the song as "a brand new song title (for now) "The Lords of Summer." "  So we'll see if the name sticks....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:05:41 AM
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.

:iagree:  I'll give that a thumbs up -- definitely heading in the right direction there.  :tup They often take a new song idea and then carve it into a couple other pieces or whittle it down by the time it makes it to a CD, so I'm sure there will be more refinements.  I'm pleased.


Yeah and this is *already* fuck loads better than Death Is Not The End. It doesn't sound so pieced together. It is long but it flows and you don't really notice it's 8 minutes long -

- whereas DINTE was just *long*. - So glad they chopped it up and made two better songs out of it. And really glad they ditched "Vulturus" altogether ! ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2014, 06:06:27 AM
The instrumental section is good, especially if compared to DM. The rest is average.

It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.

Lord of [Insert menacing word] would be too generic  :lol

Then it would fit the music. :P
Lords of Winter could have worked, but seasons just aren't otherwise threatening. They should call it Lords of Time, and make it about Doctor Who!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:16:05 AM
I can see the YouTube comments :lol

"Lords of metal have returned. We wait Indonesia. Love you james rob Kirk Lars greatest band world "

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 17, 2014, 06:19:17 AM
Me love Lars long time  :-*

That song actually sounds quite decent  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:41:21 AM
The arrangement is pretty much exactly what I was expecting but the music and performances were way better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: YOWspotter on March 17, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
Nice, solid rocker.  I can't wait to hear the sound board version.

If this is the direction they're heading for the new album, I approve.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2014, 08:35:17 AM
I enjoyed that song, was it amazing? Not really, but it was definitely a pretty solid rocker.  Lars was playing much better in that clip too, which is good to see.

Hearing that song makes me look forward to hearing more new music from them, who knows how long that will take but, they successfully peaked my interest again with that tune.

The big question for me will be how that song ends up translating on the album, meaning, will the production help or hurt the song itself?  Honestly if they took that song exactly like they just performed it, same arrangement, same parts, same vocals, and recorded it with Black Album quality sonics, I would buy it in a heartbeat and rock out to it hard!  :metal

On the flip side, if recent albums are indicators of the sonic treatment this song could receive in the studio, the finished product would be much less exciting, to me at least.

Overall though, I liked the song and it is a promising move forward for the band, I just hope a solid song doesn't get hurt by sub-par recording, mixing, and mastering.
 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on March 17, 2014, 09:46:03 AM
WHERE IS LARS AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM!!!

Song sounds real good but the biggest surprise is Lars for sure!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 17, 2014, 10:06:14 AM
Woah. I was definitely surprised by Lars' performance. Like others have said, pretty solid.

I think it was pretty alright. I especially liked the instrumental section. I've heard them go on record saying that it sounds very much like a continuation of DM, and if this is the direction they're going for, you won't hear any complaints from me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 17, 2014, 11:18:05 AM
It's a good Metallica song.   
 
If I have an issue with it, it's the same issue I've had with Metallica since 1989.   
 
Metallica almost single handedly invented a new genre with KEA.   Then perfected and created *the* template for almost every thrash metal album that would ever after it with RtL.   Heck, it worked so well that they repeated the format twice themselves.   The famous trifecta albums all follow a nearly identical format that would be copied by very nearly EVERYONE.   
 
But by the third album with that format (AJFA) Metallica was becoming "Metallica by the numbers".    I wanted them to change.   I DIDN'T want Ride the Lightning - Part 4.    I knew that the next album was either going to have to break new ground, or Metallica was dead in the water.   I just didn't want them to commercialize.    They could have shortened the songs and gone MORE brutal.   They could have streamlined ideas and pursued different influences to incorporate into the speed metal they were already putting out.    They had been inspired, and practically invented a new style of music...couldn't they push themselves into unexplored territory and invent *something else* that was new?    Nope, instead they just decided to simplify, commercialize, and just release a really good Judas Priest album.   And it made them metal legends, and millionaires.   
 
Then they went grunge/alt-rock/country-western and people went nuts.   So now they figure they have to go back to "Metallica by the numbers" and release that "Ride the Lightning Part 4" that everyone (but not me) seemed to want.     I'm glad it's working for them.   Looks like the new album will be "Ride the Lightning Part 5", and people are really digging that.    I'm happy for them and their fans.   
 
It is a good Metallica song....but I've heard it.    It's like a new Motorhead song.   I haven't heard it yet, but I have heard it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 17, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
How was AJfA... by the numbers?
Each Metallica album has it's own identity, each one with a different aesthetic feel to it, I don't see how you could say any were by the numbers, except for DM which is still a great album if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 11:30:06 AM
Death Magnetic was probably the first album where they deliberately set out to sound like an older version of themselves.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 17, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wkiml on March 17, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
my biggest problem with Metallica is the best albums (KEA-AJFA) they were angry, drug using alcohol swilling musicians and it came across in the agressive nature of the albums. They got older, sober and starting having families and the anger/agression disappeared
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2014, 11:52:44 AM
my biggest problem with Metallica is the best albums (KEA-AJFA) they were angry, drug using alcohol swilling musicians and it came across in the agressive nature of the albums. They got older, sober and starting having families and the anger/agression disappeared

Agreed.  That's the thing about Metallica's style of music (which they helped to invent).  In order to really do it well, you kind of have to be pissed off and messed up to convey the proper attitude to go along with the music.  As you mentioned, in the early days they had that attitude, now not so much.

I would argue that as far as their live shows are concerned, that period of anger, drug use, etc... lasted way past the AJFA days, personally I think their Black Album tour was their peak as a live act, but I still agree with your point.  The tricky part is that you can't really wish their lives to go back to that, just so they can make great songs again.  I would never wish any of them, especially James to go back to that lifestyle, they are happy now and thats great, the reality is that their music will just probably never capture that aggression and anger again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 11:54:02 AM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE

They tried to go back to this arrangement on DM too. Albeit with 10 songs and not 8
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 17, 2014, 11:57:49 AM
You guys, you don't have to be a messed up, angry person to write aggressive music. Check out Sockweb, a grindcore duo consisting of a dad and his 7 year old daughter. Some heavy as fuck music, and they're just having fun.

I attribute the change partially just due to the music being very demanding to play, especially as you get older.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
You guys, you don't have to be a messed up, angry person to write aggressive music. Check out Sockweb, a grindcore duo consisting of a dad and his 7 year old daughter. Some heavy as fuck music, and they're just having fun.

I attribute the change partially just due to the music being very demanding to play, especially as you get older.

Sure I guess anybody could write heavy guitar riffs and put double bass drums to them, whether those people are happy or not doesn't really matter.  For me it came down to the attitude of the riffs and drums on early Metallica stuff, it had a different vibe to it because of the emotion behind it.  I just googled Sockweb quickly because I had never heard of them before and listened to a song. It had heavy guitar riffs and really fast drumming but didn't convey any emotion to me at all, keep in mind I only listened to one song.  Early Metallica stuff, to me, was great because of the emotion and attitude behind each riff.

I guess I'm not saying that is a general rule for every heavy band out there, I love a bunch of heavy rock/metal Christian bands who aren't angry or on drugs but make great music.  I was just saying that it seems like my favorite Metallica material was created when the band had that lifestyle and attitude, so maybe for Metallica and some other bands similar to them, is it something to be considered.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 17, 2014, 01:13:11 PM
The thing is, and this is just the process of life, is that Metallica back in the 80s had probably an Us vs Them mentality with those guys being US against everything (including glam metal, I believe) and once they pretty much conquered all there is left to conquer, what is there left to do?  Now we are in the 10s and they are now the them in the us vs them mentality.

A better way to address this is that Metallica used to be underdogs of sorts and now they are no longer underdogs and that they don't that chip in the shoulder anymore and quite honestly, this was by no means their fault.  It is just how life is.  So if they go ahead release an album like DM within x amount of years, that's fine.  I can't really ask for anything more than that from them, these days. 

Honestly, if all four guys are content with their lifestyle, they don't really have to push the envelope creatively.  I mean, obviously, we want them to that and make some compelling songs in the process, but they don't have to fulfill any obligations of that sort.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
The thing is, and this is just the process of life, is that Metallica back in the 80s had probably an Us vs Them mentality with those guys being US against everything (including glam metal, I believe) and once they pretty much conquered all there is left to conquer, what is there left to do?  Now we are in the 10s and they are now the them in the us vs them mentality.

A better way to address this is that Metallica used to be underdogs of sorts and now they are no longer underdogs and that they don't that chip in the shoulder anymore and quite honestly, this was by no means their fault.  It is just how life is.  So if they go ahead release an album like DM within x amount of years, that's fine.  I can't really ask for anything more than that from them, these days. 

Honestly, if all four guys are content with their lifestyle, they don't really have to push the envelope creatively.  I mean, obviously, we want them to that and make some compelling songs in the process, but they don't have to fulfill any obligations of that sort.

Yes. All that. But - just jam and write - try not to re-write Metallica or Master of Puppets or And Justice For All. Just jam and see what happens.

Music is best when it flows out of you - not when it is rigidly forced into a certain style or genre.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on March 17, 2014, 06:01:54 PM
FUCK I DIDN'T GO TO THE CONCERT KILL ME NOW JUST FUCKING KILL ME


Lords of Summer seems like another step in the right direction after Beyond Magnetic. Good Track.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 17, 2014, 06:36:53 PM
Lords of Phantom
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 17, 2014, 08:18:57 PM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE



Thanks for ruining Metallica for me.

Just kidding, but damn, they are pretty formulaic aren't they?

Didn't care for the new song, but I didn't care for DM either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 17, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE



Thanks for ruining Metallica for me.

Just kidding, but damn, they are pretty formulaic aren't they?

It's accurate, but I think that it understates these albums quite a bit and gives them less credit than they deserve.

Structurally, they might fall into formula, but actually listening to them gives different moods and atmospheres altogether.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 18, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.

Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.

As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.

Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.

 :chill

Well, you're always using that "mindlessly thrashing" phrase and it just doesn't fit. It takes much more skill and "mind" to play the stuff on AJFA than the stuff on TBA. Talk about mindless - the same plodding bass/snare beat in every single song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
I could make the same generalization about the thrash albums all reusing that same fast metal drum beat (Blackened, Shortest Straw, Damage Inc, Disposable Heroes, Battery, Metal Militia, Whiplash, Motorbreath, Hit The Lights etc etc), so that's a hypocritical argument to start with. TBA has plenty of creative drum fills and patterns, more creative than double kicker and a big tom fill. Let's face it, Lars has never been the most creative drummer in the world, so he's not a great example.
Doesn't seem to be any more "mind" to it at all (whatever that even means). Faster =/= better. The songwriting on TBA is much more skillful, involving more well crafted melodies and harmonies.

And I also made my opinion without the angry personal attack like b_f did. There's that......
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2014, 09:51:36 AM
Yeah, anyone who knows me knows that I am a huge fan of mindless thrash. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

FYI, The Black Album is a little better than Death Magnetic*, but the latter is miles better than Load and ReLoad.  HTH.

*Thanks to the non-radio cuts like Don't Tread On Me, Of Wolf and Man, The God That Failed and My Friend of Misery.  The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters both still make me want to vomit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day   

Metallica - Load - Reload - Garage inc - S&M

Vs

St. Anger - Some kind of monster - death magnetic - lulu - through the never.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:58:49 AM
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day   

Is that even a competition? :lol
But what would you take between '80s Metallica and '90s Metallica? I know most people would consider that a no contest, but that would be a tough call for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2014, 10:05:50 AM
Yeah, that's no contest.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
The Black Album is actually a really good album, but I would be fine with never hearing Enter Sandman, The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters ever again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 18, 2014, 12:41:59 PM
I think I am the only human being on earth who would actually prefer 00-10 over 90-00. Oh well.  :angel:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on March 18, 2014, 01:13:13 PM
Load could be Metallica's best album.

Get at me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Load could be Metallica's best album.

Get at me.

I prefer it to and justice for all :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2014, 01:23:26 PM
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day   

Is that even a competition? :lol
But what would you take between '80s Metallica and '90s Metallica? I know most people would consider that a no contest, but that would be a tough call for me.

Kill Vs Metallica ? I Take Metallica

Ride Vs Load ? I take Ride - but just barely

Master Vs Reload ? Master - no contest

Justice Vs Garage Inc ? Garage for sound quality but Justice for the songs.


However - i'd take Load and Reload over Kill and Justice too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
Load could be Metallica's best album.

Get at me.

You're not alone.  For me, it's a close call between Load and Ride the Lightning.  I can't really pick a definitive favorite between the two at this point, but they are definitely my top two, with Master of Puppets taking third place. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 01:31:43 PM
Master is easily their best. A masterpiece start to finish with AJFA close behind. Then I would say Ride is third, while TBA and Load are pretty great as well, so overall, nothing beats '80's Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
AJFA is probably sixth or seventh in my rankings, personally. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
The only song I can think of from Justice that underwhelms me is probably The Shortest Straw, which is still a pretty solid song. I probably have a slight bias for the album though, since it was my first full Metallica album, but I love it nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mister Gold on March 18, 2014, 01:40:15 PM
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 18, 2014, 02:34:48 PM
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal
exactly how I feel
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 18, 2014, 02:57:18 PM
If their new record doesn't have audiophile quality sonics I'm disappointed. They almost owe the world an antidote for Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 18, 2014, 05:13:00 PM
Master is easily their best. A masterpiece start to finish with AJFA close behind.

I'd agree on MOP but (One aside) nothing on AJFA comes close for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2014, 08:16:32 PM
I'd probably take Justice over Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 08:32:55 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.

I think I might actually agree with that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 18, 2014, 08:43:43 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
Yep. Not even close.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 08:47:55 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2014, 08:49:39 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.

I was never that big on Leper Messiah and The Thing.  That lets Puppets down a little.  Escape IMO is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 08:52:48 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.

I was never that big on Leper Messiah and The Thing.  That lets Puppets down a little.  Escape IMO is pretty good.

I love those two. :'( Definitely underrated Metallica songs, personally, and their just absolutely killer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on March 18, 2014, 09:12:52 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
Definitely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal

I rank AJFA higher than MoP too, it's just that the awful production makes it unlistenable these days, unfortunately. I'm hoping that some day Metallica released a remixed version of the album that isn't ballsed up in other ways.
I've never liked RTL much as an album despite having some great songs, so I'd rank KEA higher overall.
My ranking for the thrash era albums would be - AJFA, MOP, KEA, RTL
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mister Gold on March 18, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.

I think I might actually agree with that.

Likewise. It's right behind AJFA for me. :metal I'll need to listen to Kill 'Em All again to see what I think of that album nowadays though. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 09:23:50 PM
Escape is awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 09:24:28 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.

Escape is great AND memorable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 09:25:39 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
Escape isn't terrible or anything, but it sorta feels like the dent in RTL to me. It's listenable, but much better songs overshadowing it.

I would suppose I'm in the minority with this, but oh well. :lol I don't mean to understate how much I love RTL, it's an amazing album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 09:38:51 PM
Actually, from what I've seen, most people seem to feel that way about Escape. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on March 18, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
Escape is awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:48:47 PM
Even as a filler track, Escape is not that good. It's not terrible, but as ThatOneGuy said, it's forgettable. It's better than Fight Fire With Fire and Trapped Under Ice, but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 18, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
It's better than Fight Fire With Fire and Trapped Under Ice, but that's not saying much.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, u wot m8?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 10:07:49 PM
Escape would fit perfectly on The Black Album. It would need some simpler drumming though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2014, 09:34:40 AM
I am not even that big a metal fan (and usually do not like thrash), but Master of Puppets is pretty much one awesome song after another. 

I remember when I got into it, being shocked at how melodic some of the songs were, considering how heavy and fast they were.  I think that is why it is so popular: it has a raw energy and power that is infectious, and also has memorable melodies, so you get the best of both worlds.

Nothing else they've done comes close to it, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 10:23:31 AM
I think Metallica had awesome melody as well as production.

I think And Justice For All is largely melody free and is just a dirge at some points.

I don't think anything they've done since Metallica has combined the same concise songwriting with the same melody.

Load is smothered in Melody but the songs for the most part are quite bloated.

The best 6 songs from both Load & Reload would have made a good successor to Metallica.

St Anger was acceptable as a one-off as it was made by a very different band who needed to make that album to survive.

Death Magnetic was deliberately trying to write a Master Of Puppets part 2.

For their next album - they really just need to focus on good songs. Not try and force 10 x 8 minute thrash classics.

The Lords Of Summer shows promise. It's long but doesn't feel as forced or as cut&paste as most of DM.

If they can just jam - write - and keep the best *songs* - whatever form they take AND have good production - the next album could be great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 10:28:28 AM
Ooh - by the way :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI

The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2014, 10:31:04 AM
Some of those early riffs sound right out of The Judas Kiss.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
I like this song a lot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 19, 2014, 10:50:21 AM
I like this song a lot.
Bit late - but congrats on your 9001st post! :metal

Regarding Lords of Summer: good song. Lars' double bassing isn't quite tight on the Studio Demo though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Lars is decent - but James voice is fantastic on that !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 19, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
Ooh - by the way :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI

The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.

Nice, I'd take an album's worth of that!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 19, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
Wow, I'm impressed. Solid song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 19, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
I'm digging Lars' double bass action here. Hopefully there's also improvement in the studio album version.

And damn, James' voice. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 19, 2014, 11:16:40 AM
Ooh - by the way :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI

The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.
Well, Demo version, but man this sounds great!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
James does sound awesome on that. Hearing the song clearer, it's not that good, but not bad. There's potential there though. After all, it's just a demo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 19, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
I think I like it more after hearing the Studio Demo version... Cool song, nothing revolutionary for them, but I dig it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 19, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Pretty good song. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on March 19, 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0


try changing "www." to the word "boo"

as in "booyoutube.com/blah blah blah
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on March 19, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
The fact that they released the demo confirms that this song is not gonna touch the new album with a 10 foot pole, just like the last time they played a new song such a long time before they finish writing the album.
Cool song though, I like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 19, 2014, 01:13:57 PM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLSdUjeyi_4

They should keep the guitar melody that was supposed to appear at 6:27 (the one from the live version).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 01:42:32 PM
The band have hinted they may play a second new song this tour.

Hope so. Along with the Ronnie James Dio medley - that'll be three new 'tallica songs in as many weeks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on March 19, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLSdUjeyi_4

Thanks man. Didn't really like the song though :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 19, 2014, 05:36:37 PM
After a few listens, The Lords of Summer seems pretty promising. Nothing groundbreaking for them, but pretty solid.
A few tweaks, and they could really have something. James sounds fantastic. I think the bass could have stood to be a bit higher in the mix though.

If this is a sign of things to come, and they actually get around to making a new album, it could very well end up better than Death Magnetic, and I liked Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ozzy554 on March 19, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 19, 2014, 11:36:26 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.

Licenced to Ill from the Beasties is a classic.   And the first two albums he did with Slayer were un-freakin-believable.    Bloodsugarsexmagik was pretty good.   But after that, I haven't heard a single thing I thought was good.    I had such high hopes for his collaboration with AC/DC, and I was really underwhelmed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 19, 2014, 11:41:32 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Red Hot Chili Peppers, I mean even if you don't like their music, their albums sound great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 19, 2014, 11:41:44 PM
Oh yeah...and the stuff he did for both Johnny Cash and Neil Diamond were both pretty good.    At least he got them to just stop being corporate musicians and just write music the way they used to.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.

Licenced to Ill from the Beasties is a classic.   And the first two albums he did with Slayer were un-freakin-believable.    Bloodsugarsexmagik was pretty good.   But after that, I haven't heard a single thing I thought was good.    I had such high hopes for his collaboration with AC/DC, and I was really underwhelmed.

I'm not into Beastie Boys or Slayer, so I can't comment on those. Blood Sugar Sex Magik was really good, but that's also over 20 years ago now. I was more focused on his more recent output.
Out of his recent ones, I just don't much like his approach. Going back to Bob Rock probably wouldn't be a good move for them given their later work with him. I'd like to see them with Kevin Shirley, but to be fair, I'd like to see every band with Kevin Shirley. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 20, 2014, 02:18:45 AM
Funnily enough as soon as you started talking about Rubin - Kevin Shirley came to mind as someone who seems to generate a similar response ("hands off my band") from a whole heap of people I know ,more so in recent years.  I don't follow who produces what close enough to comment .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 03:09:55 AM
I don't generally follow that kind of thing aside from certain bands and certain producers, especially when an album is either exceptionally good or exceptionally bad.
It also depends on the band. Certain producers will work with certain bands better than with others, but in terms of the sound of the instruments and mixing, I pretty consistently love Kevin Shirley's work. Rick Rubin's recent output (as far as my musical interests go) hasn't wowed me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 06:26:08 AM
Rick's System Of A Down albums sounded good but I don't think he's done anything good since then.

Most of the time - he gets artists to write decent songs again - but then he fucks up the audio.

Luckily Metallica are well aware of the furore surrounding Death Magnetic's audio and they won't let it happen again.

Rubin's albums are too dry too.

I'd like Brendan O Brian or Kevin Shirley or Steven Wilson ( a Metallica album like Watershed ?! ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 06:45:42 AM
Luckily Metallica are well aware of the furore surrounding Death Magnetic's audio and they won't let it happen again.

Did they say that? Hopefully they go all the way on that and release a really dynamic album.
I agree that DM was too dry, and raw. It was a very well recorded album though, shame about the brickwalling.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
Well they have commented on it in an apologetic way.

They said they weren't there for the mastering and they wouldn't do that again.

The next album will probably sound better just by comparison.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 07:01:12 AM
It will sound better if for no other reason than the fact it could not possibly sound any worse without literally being white noise. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 07:05:54 AM
Plus the fact that up until then - Metallica studio albums had god mastering.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 07:17:24 AM
I think the infrequency of their albums this millennium would be a big part of that. Everything before that was before the loudness war was as bad as it is now, so albums before that generally had better mastering anyway.

That said, Load/Reload/Garage Inc/St Anger all have a dynamic range of around 6, which is borderline. They're about as good sounding as DR6's can be though, and I have no problem with the mastering on those albums. I'd be content if the new album sounded as good as any of them. DM was absolutely unlistenably bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 20, 2014, 09:20:27 AM
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.

The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 09:28:55 AM
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.

The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.

That's the only version I've listened to since it came out. Thanks god for those games giving us unmastered versions of these songs, plus stems.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 20, 2014, 09:29:41 AM
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.

The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.
Eh, while I admit the Guitar Hero version is slightly better, it still isn't that great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 20, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Finally got around to listening to the new song. Has potential. Kind of hope they edit it down to about six and a half minutes, it's a couple of minutes too long as it stands now. James sounds phenomenal though. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 10:58:30 AM
I wanna know how James sounds so good.

His voice has been pretty good since 2012 but this is something else.

Plus Lars doesn't appear to be rushing on this song. Unless they're recording to a click - which I doubt since it's only a demo...

It sounds like they're all trying to up their game. 

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Just listened to the new song........hmmm.......not really digging it at all to be honest.

I will say some of the riffs and the middle instrumental section has a lot of King Diamond influence.  That part was pretty cool.  But Kirk's solo sucks as usual.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2014, 01:13:19 AM
I wanna know how James sounds so good.

His voice has been pretty good since 2012 but this is something else.

Plus Lars doesn't appear to be rushing on this song. Unless they're recording to a click - which I doubt since it's only a demo...

It sounds like they're all trying to up their game. 



Even for a demo I think it's very possible they're using a click, although he also kept a lid on the tempo live too, so maybe not. He's definitely sounding more solid, I have to give him that much. I'm hearing an improvement from every member.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2014, 04:47:08 AM
James has said that he's been " working on his voice " and Lars says he practices more nowadays to music on his headphones in his downtime...

It reminds me of when they'd put out St Anger and all that time playing in the studio - they were as tight as f***

which makes me wonder if they've been in the studio a lot more than they are letting on.


Still - it's nice to hear them actually put some effort in.  For a long time it seemed like they couldn't care less about keeping their chops up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 21, 2014, 10:48:01 AM
MetOnTour's live video of the premier of Lords of Summer in Bogotá:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8u6Ww1ZGeU

Pretty cool, multi camera, HD video of the song's live debut!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 22, 2014, 05:24:45 PM
I just watched the MetOnTour video of them playing Blackened in Colombia (https://youtu.be/QirkaL_kLqs?t=13m44s) - it sounded quite good actually! It really does look like Lars has been practicing lately. Too bad they still skip the last bit of the solo though :/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2014, 06:08:28 PM
James has definitely put more effort into his live voice than Mustaine ever has / will.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 22, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
I just watched the MetOnTour video of them playing Blackened in Colombia (https://youtu.be/QirkaL_kLqs?t=13m44s) - it sounded quite good actually! It really does look like Lars has been practicing lately. Too bad they still skip the last bit of the solo though :/

Seriously. What the FUCK is with that? Completely stupid decision.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2014, 12:59:51 AM
Lars is still sounding as sloppy as usual on those fills. I think his overall sense of tempo has improved, but not his sense of timing. I think he really needs to play to a click track, but they're not really that kind of band.
Also, he doesn't have the hairline for longer hair. He's transitioning into the Hulk Hogan hairstyle.

But on the positive side, Hetfield is always the strong link. As long as he's kicking ass, all is well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 23, 2014, 04:43:31 AM
Yeah his fills still suck. He should practice with a click track. And he just needs to go full bald :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2014, 06:15:05 AM
He actually did go full bald a couple of tours ago. it looked way better than this - obviously.

With all that money - he could have afforded plugs or something....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2014, 06:21:14 AM
(https://www.metallica.com/images/20120606_pics/06june0612_pic39.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2014, 06:24:41 AM
His head looks absolutely huge proportional to his tiny body. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 23, 2014, 07:11:26 AM

With all that money - he could have afforded plugs or something....

Plugs ain't metal.

(https://superjanitor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/devintownsend.jpg?w=700)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 23, 2014, 09:33:47 AM
Lars needs to realize that babyfaced dudes can't really pull off the metal face.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 23, 2014, 12:12:20 PM
Also, he doesn't have the hairline for longer hair. He's transitioning into the Hulk Hogan hairstyle.

Funny thing about that.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/hulk_hogan_was_asked_to_join_metallica.html

Sadly, Lars denied this happening.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/lars_ulrich_denies_hulk_hogan_almost_joined_metallica.html

(https://www.metallica.com/images/20120606_pics/06june0612_pic39.jpg)

Man, every time I see pictures and videos of him with that look, I just think he looked like a troll or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 07:11:20 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-effortless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324

Their 9 minute Ronnie James Dio Medley.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 07:24:53 AM
Not bad, but I don't think they suit playing that kind of metal music. Ulrich's timing wasn't quite there on many of those beats, and his drum sound doesn't have the right energy and groove.
Hetfield was sounding as good as ever, but Hetfield has never been Dio. But he knew his limits and modified accordingly. I think he did it a bit more successfully on the Mercyful Fate medley though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
I'm loving the production though. A huge Step up from Death Magnetic.

I'd be happy with a new studio album from Metallica that sounded as good as this.



But yeah - James sounds phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 07:55:31 AM
The production was good, it reminded me of Garage Inc.
I actually think the recording of Death Magnetic sounds a little better (when judged by the Guitar Hero version), and that album would have sounded great if they hadn't brickwalled the hell out of it. It had a good drum sound, even though a bit dry for my taste.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 08:00:51 AM
I think even the GH3 version is thin and tinny.

Should have been great though.

10 songs like this medley ( with all original material of course ) will be just fine by me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 08:09:19 AM
I think the GH3 version sounds thin mostly because it's a raw mix without being mastered (you know, properly, instead of just being compressed to within an inch of its life). But I really liked that drum sound.

At the very least, it's clear they're going to be in top form going into this record, so that's a good start.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 24, 2014, 08:10:13 AM
I'm loving the production though. A huge Step up from Death Magnetic.

I'd be happy with a new studio album from Metallica that sounded as good as this.



But yeah - James sounds phenomenal.

Yeah, this was my big takeaway from listening to that... If Metallica released a new full length album that sounded like that, I'd be pretty darn happy.  It was full, thick, heavy and there was actually some nice vocal production here and there.

I could hear the bass, which is never a given on Metallica recordings! The guitars sounded fuller, thicker and seemed to have greater impact than they did on DM.  The drum sound still wasn't great on this, but it was certainly better than it was on DM when half of the drum hits would clip! James' vocals on this recording sounded much, much better than they did on DM, which I think is a combination of two things: (1) James is singing great right now, his live voice has been fantastic lately, and (2) they actually included some reverb, some echos, some nice harmonies and layering in the vocal tracks rather than just a dry melody line.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
Plus James has said that he's been getting extra help.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 24, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
Plus James has said that he's been getting extra help.

Absolutely, and his raw, natural vocal has definitely improved due to that help.  Its just encouraging to hear some vocal production again to help him out even more.  His vocal tracks on DM were just so dry that I felt kinda bad for him, even if they had just put a little more reverb on his voice, it would have helped him out a lot, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 24, 2014, 02:31:08 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 24, 2014, 03:34:50 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on March 24, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lol

On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
Yeah they've gone from no bass to too much bass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lol

On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.

I think it's a combination of them overcompensating (because they're more concerned with "JUSTICE FOR JASON" and showing off that there is a bass line, than actually having a balanced listenable mix), and also the fact we've just never heard the bass properly before.
In a lot of parts, the bass line is not quite what I would have expected, and doesn't just follow the guitar, so it's jarring to finally hear this new melodic element on top of songs we've known for decades.

Now that Metallica own the rights to their music, I hope they listen to the fans and have that album remixed and re-released (without a loud remaster ruining it). That would effectively be like a new Metallica album to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mister Gold on March 25, 2014, 08:45:44 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lol

On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.

I think it's a combination of them overcompensating (because they're more concerned with "JUSTICE FOR JASON" and showing off that there is a bass line, than actually having a balanced listenable mix), and also the fact we've just never heard the bass properly before.
In a lot of parts, the bass line is not quite what I would have expected, and doesn't just follow the guitar, so it's jarring to finally hear this new melodic element on top of songs we've known for decades.

Now that Metallica own the rights to their music, I hope they listen to the fans and have that album remixed and re-released (without a loud remaster ruining it). That would effectively be like a new Metallica album to me.

This is all so true. For example, Jason does this really awesome bass line during the chorus of the title track where he follows the vocal melody and it adds a creepy and effective touch to the song that wasn't there before. I showed it to my friend, who is a HUGE Metallica fan and AJFA is his favorite album. He told me it was like hearing the song for the very first time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on April 05, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
YEAH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ixXQGbOf68)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on April 06, 2014, 12:24:01 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-effortless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324

Their 9 minute Ronnie James Dio Medley.
Metallica's always been an excellent cover band. Always enjoy that. As for this, Light in the Black is the song best suited for them and it's the one they were least faithful to. You listen to the old live versions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzUk7DESMU&feature=player_detailpage#t=412) of it and it's just blistering. Exactly what Metallica should do perfectly, but they played off-time versions of it both times without the original intensity. Didn't much care for Tarot Woman. Stargazer sounded great. I particularly liked the guitar harmonies after each line in the first verse; adds a classic Metallica touch. Kill the King was very good as well, but much like we saw with Light in the Black, Lars is no Cozy Powell. Think that was the biggest issue here. Still, enjoyable to listen to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 06, 2014, 01:20:23 AM
I wonder if they'll ever cover Mechanix.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 06:52:52 AM
Mechanix is so shit :lol

Thank feck they changed those god awful Mustaine lyrics & removed the Sweet Home Alabama section.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 06, 2014, 09:17:00 AM
Mechanix is a dumb song, but I love Mustaine's playing on it. Fucking fast, sloppy and full of energy. Like he's a kid jerking off.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 10:22:48 AM
Mechanix is a dumb song, but I love Mustaine's playing on it. Fucking fast, sloppy and full of energy. Like he's a kid jerking off.  :lol

The lyrics certainly support this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 06, 2014, 10:23:42 AM
Exactly. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
It's like something Steel Panther would write - only they're taking the piss.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on April 06, 2014, 12:40:45 PM
Taking the Piss sounds like a pefect title for a Megadeth album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 06, 2014, 08:42:58 PM
It's like something Steel Panther would write - only they're taking the piss.

That's an insult to Steel Panther!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 09:26:25 PM
Indeed. Mechanix doesn't sound totally serious but at least with Steel Panther - you *know* they're being tongue in cheek.

Plus Mustaine was probably 18 when he wrote those lyrics ?

So horses for courses etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 09, 2014, 05:15:39 AM
So check out my stupidity. I was going to ask if anyone thought the abrupt end to Dyer's Eve symbolizes suicide, but then I'm like, wait, the song's called DYER'S Eve... :facepalm: I never thought about it before, and I've been a fan since the early nineties.

... back to work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on April 24, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-are-in-the-fourth-inning-of-their-next-album-20140424

On a different note, I read a comment somewhere stating that Kirk's soloing has become better in the last South American tour. Curious, I checked out the last two videos from the tour which featured One and ...And Justice For All. I thought Kirk's soloing was really pretty good! Here are the links:

https://www.metallica.com/tour/mar-29-2014-buenos-aires.asp

https://www.metallica.com/tour/mar-30-2014-buenos-aires.asp
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 24, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
Any cricket fans in know how far along four innings is ? :lol

At least Metallica have played a new song on this tour...

Tool haven't played anything new since 2006 have they ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 24, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
It's that constant dilemma of

A) "It's been a while since Metallica released an album, give us new music!"
B) "Yeah so the new album is awful, play the classics!"

basically the story of their career for the last 20 years or so
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on April 28, 2014, 03:05:04 AM
I fucking hate these Metallica fans who bitch all the time and shit on music that hasn't even been written yet. Death Magnetic was a fantastic album, and likely the new album will be a lot like it in style, not a bad thing! It's a great thrash album. I just heard that new Slayer song that was put out, and it was a pile of shit! But when i went and read the comment section, it was full of people shitting on Metallica and cumming over the Slayer song. It makes me sad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on April 28, 2014, 05:49:48 PM
I fucking hate these Metallica fans who bitch all the time and shit on music that hasn't even been written yet. Death Magnetic was a fantastic album, and likely the new album will be a lot like it in style, not a bad thing! It's a great thrash album. I just heard that new Slayer song that was put out, and it was a pile of shit! But when i went and read the comment section, it was full of people shitting on Metallica and cumming over the Slayer song. It makes me sad.

I think it has a lot to do with trash fans' utter lack of faith in Metallica these days. A lot of people will desire change, yet they don't. There's no pleasing everybody in the end. After four albums, I'm sure the guys didn't see themselves wanting to do the same thing over and over again, hence the change they went through. What one can admire, at the very least, is the amount of testicular fortitude it probably took on their part to go forward with their plans despite the backlash they knew they would receive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2014, 01:00:19 PM
Any cricket fans in know how far along four innings is ? :lol
I thought he was making more of a baseball analogy, which would mean they're not even halfway done with it. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on April 30, 2014, 01:13:42 AM
Damn, I just saw the headline and naturally assumed it was a cricketing analogy. Shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on April 30, 2014, 02:41:16 AM
Dammit. In cricket, the fourth innings is the final innings. Being an American band, presumably it's a baseball analogy which means it's less far-advanced. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 30, 2014, 03:30:38 AM
Well we know they're not halfway done since writing is 50% and recording is 50% and they're writing right now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2014, 03:45:16 AM
Given how basic the recording was on DM, I don't think recording counts for that much of a percentage. But this is proof that sports references should just be avoided. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 30, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
Because Death Magnetic was no home run :neverusethis:


The sound of that album was so bad - they even recorded drums at the legendary Sound City and they still sounded like shit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2014, 10:11:49 PM
The drum recording was actually very good, but the drum mix was very dry, and of course the rest of the mix/master was totally botched to the point of ruining it. So unless they remix and remaster it, I guess that's kind of moot for now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 02:54:23 AM
The guitars have no power to them at all either.

They really need to put out a great album next time.

There's something really very wrong if the biggest rock band on the planet put out three awful sounding albums in a row.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on May 01, 2014, 03:09:39 AM
Rick Rubin is producing this one aswell right? So I already have low expectations for the sound of this album. :lol That and Metallica don't seem to give a shit about it, either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 03:15:30 AM
They haven't decided on producer yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on May 01, 2014, 03:22:51 AM
They haven't decided on producer yet.
Oh? I'll have to try not to get my hopes up after hearing that. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 01, 2014, 04:44:34 AM
Can they please pick someone, anyone, who won't make it sound awful? I doubt we'll have the lucky coincidence of a Guitar Hero version this time around. Maybe Kevin Shirley?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 01, 2014, 10:36:31 AM
Perhaps Helen Keller.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
Even Evelyn Glennie could play in time better than Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 01, 2014, 01:17:46 PM
Even Evelyn Glennie could play in time better than Lars.
What do you mean by even?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 01:58:37 PM
Even Evelyn Glennie Anyone could play in time better than Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 01, 2014, 03:48:09 PM
Ahhh i'm with you on that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on May 02, 2014, 06:40:15 AM
Why not self produce?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
We're living in an age where people can make better sounding rock albums on their home studios than the biggest rock band on the planet can IN A STUDIO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 02, 2014, 09:09:59 PM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 02, 2014, 09:23:43 PM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on May 02, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 03, 2014, 02:08:22 AM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2014, 05:28:38 AM
This is the Metallica thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 03, 2014, 08:32:39 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6738850048/h35FD6A3D/)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 03, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
This is the Metallica thread.

It's funny because this is the Metallica thread.  :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 05, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
" Metallica haven't been good since Justice...

The Shit album, Shitload, Re-Shit St Shit, Shit Magnetic LOL111!!! "


Maybe you should not listen to Metallica any more ? ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on May 06, 2014, 02:40:22 AM
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.

So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 02:52:23 AM
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.

So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.

Stronger songwriting, not trying to play beyond their current abilities, and not weak rehash of what they've already done. I'm not won over by thrashing an E string at 200bpm.
And listenable production would be a nice bonus. The sound on the released CD is a travesty.

DM was a decent album, but it's nowhere near the quality of their earlier albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 05:12:06 AM
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.

So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.

I want 12 great songs. Style is irrelevant.  They should just write and pick the best songs. Not try and make everything as fast as possible or as long as possible. The songs should come first. Even if they write another Reload. If it's 12 great songs then so be it...

Also - pristine audio production. Their first studio album of original material with great production since 1997. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 06, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
I agree with what you guys are saying about the new album. I'd really like some good mixing and production, plus songwriting that doesn't focus on emulating their old style. I'd really like to hear what they come up with if they only place the restriction 'Metallica' on their songwriting. I still believe they can write and perform great songs. The latter, for me at least, is proven by the fact that most of their covers are ridiculously good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 06:01:34 AM
I agree with what you guys are saying about the new album. I'd really like some good mixing and production, plus songwriting that doesn't focus on emulating their old style. I'd really like to hear what they come up with if they only place the restriction 'Metallica' on their songwriting. I still believe they can write and perform great songs. The latter, for me at least, is proven by the fact that most of their covers are ridiculously good.


There's no doubt they're in great form performance wise, the best they've been in a long time. Completely agreed on the rest too, and with Kotowboy.
I don't want them to write to emulate an old album, I want them to define what Metallica sounds like in 2014 (or whenever they release it), not what they sounded like in 1986.

Even though their recent albums aren't great, I at least like that they progressed, and wrote to the style that they were feeling at that particular time. That's an element I want to hear again. I want to hear Metallica cover a bit of new ground, instead of pander to what anybody else wants them to do, and end up sounding forced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 06:11:56 AM
It's just crazy that they put out DM - which was a big hit - had a massive tour off the back of it and sold over 5 million copies -

- and then...


... Just..didn't capitalise on that new interest in the band.


They should have finished the tour in 2010 - taken a year off - taken 2 years to make a new album and put it out last September.

That would have been 5 years but that's standard these days and we wouldn't have gotten any extra curricular stuff that nobody cared about like the Lou

Reed album and the Concert movie.

And the album would be out now - instead of late 2015 which is looking the most likely scenario.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 06:26:49 AM
The thing is, a lot of bands these days, especially older ones, basically only release albums as an excuse to tour, and to give people a new reason to see them live. Touring is where bands make most of their money these days, not albums. From their perspective, touring is capitalizing on the new album.
Look at TBA. Their biggest album ever, and they toured the crap out of that album before getting around to recording another album. Seems to have worked for them so far.

Not that I'm arguing that this is my preferred route, as I'm just as interested in a new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
They toured DM for 2 years but then they didn't really tour to promote that album after that.

Most of their summer jaunts are Metallica plays the hits.

This tour there's an added incentive whereby you pick the setlist - but everyone is just picking the staples anyway. :lol

It's looking increasingly likely that they will play Frayed Ends in Helsinki this month.

Someone on the Metallica forum got it right : " You all want them to play Frayed Ends - but you're only going to rip them to shreds afterwards anyway ".


It could either be awesome - like when they debuted Struggle or really bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 06:42:39 AM
AJFA is one of my favourite Metallica albums, but I don't see the appeal of hearing that song aside from rarity. I'm sure they'll do a decent enough job of it, but that's not even one of the better songs on the album. :dunno:
I will be interested to see the clips of it if they do though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 06:50:01 AM
Someone suggested that they should play it this once and then never play it again ( provided they do a good job ).

Making that one time extra special.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 06, 2014, 08:19:56 PM
It's not like they've never played "Frayed" before .... it's just been awhile.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 06, 2014, 10:00:19 PM
Umm... (https://www.metallica.com/songs/the-frayed-ends-of-sanity.asp) They've never played it. They jammed parts of it on the AJFA tour and played part in the Justice Medley but they've never played the whole song start to finish.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 07, 2014, 05:15:53 AM
My bad.  I thought they played it in full on some of the '89 dates....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 07, 2014, 05:57:43 AM
I wouldn't want them to play it live. Lars would skip playing the best part of the song at 4 minutes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 07, 2014, 11:02:07 AM
I wouldn't want them to play it live. Lars would skip playing the best part of the song at 4 minutes.
Agreed with the latter part, though I'd still like to hear what it sounds like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 08, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Confirmed as Glastonbury headliners. Get in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 08, 2014, 01:16:06 PM
Also - " Through The Never " is on Netflix US. Just watched it.

Not bad. Nice visually.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2014, 10:31:14 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kirk-hammett-says-metallica-will-buckle-down-in-september-and-work-on-new-album/


:lol :lol :lol :lol.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on May 09, 2014, 10:48:40 AM
Can't wait for 2016.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 09, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
 :lol

I can't wait for September to roll around so they can find another excuse to not be in the studio....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
:lol

I can't wait for September to roll around so they can find another excuse to not be in the studio....

I actually laughed out loud when I read the article. So predictable.

If you don't want to make a new album. Don't make one and stop wasting everyone's time.

Things that will happen before Metallica or Tool release a new album :

• Chino will decide Avatar sucks.
• El Barto will post about Star Trek and it will all be positive.
• BlobVanDam will post about how much he loves Star Trek Into Darkness
• Avenged Sevenfold will release a groundbreaking and completely original metal album which sells more than Michael Jackson's Thriller.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 09, 2014, 11:21:02 AM
Touring with the old hit songs from the 80s and making fat money VS another watered down and boring studio album that nobody except for the extreme hardcore fans (who will like anything) will like

hmmm....  :justjen
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 09, 2014, 12:18:32 PM
Touring with the old hit songs from the 80s and making fat money VS another watered down and boring studio album that nobody except for the extreme hardcore fans (who will like anything) will like

hmmm....  :justjen

Haha well yeah, when you lay it out like that it makes sense that they keep pushing the album back to tour, and for the record, I totally agree with you! But if that really is the case, they should probably stop stringing those hardcore fans along who are waiting for a new album by constantly saying "in a few months, we are going to buckle down in the studio".  My issue isn't with them not making a new album, that's totally their call, no one else's.  My issue is that they keep saying they are going to really concentrate on it and then don't, they need to just be honest and if it isn't a priority for them, they need to just say that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 09, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
I can't believe Metallica is so unproductive in this sense.  I mean Slash, who is only a few years younger than them, is going to release his 3rd album in four years and he has been a touring machine and he doesn't waste too much time recording.  Metallica cannot really play the age card or too much touring as excuses of not recording and getting an album done.  If they really don't want to make this album, I just think that they should just announce that they are not going to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
It seems like Metallica keep playing the "family" card as if everyone will go " oh of course..of course."

But then - the members of DT are as old and in some cases - older than the guys in Metallica and they all have families too and still put out an album every other

year.

and INB4 anyone says - DT need to put out albums to survive financially - Metallica don't.

I agree - and as mikeyd23 pointed out - if they don't want to put out another album - they should just say that instead of the almost constant bullshit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2014, 09:55:14 PM
Things that will happen before Metallica or Tool release a new album :

• Chino will decide Avatar sucks.
• BlobVanDam will post about how much he loves Star Trek Into Darkness

Oh come on, don't lose all hope. I'm sure Metallica will release a new album some time!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 09, 2014, 10:18:05 PM
I hope the new album's called Threeload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
I hope the new album's called St Angrier.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2014, 12:13:05 AM
They should just do another black album, but in this case, the cover is completely black.  That would confuse people, but also be another statement as a band to the change in musical direction.  For the original black album, they cut their hair, for the real black album, they could shave their heads.  This will give Lars the excuse to do what's right. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 10, 2014, 12:56:33 AM
Their haircuts were well after TBA's release. I think Jason was first (around '94) since the other three had long hair when they played Woodstock '94. James ended up with something close to a mohullet following an ATV accident which resulted in a lot of stitches in his head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
If it is true that they're honestly scouts honour going to really seriously start writing in september promise !!!!

Then the resulting album will be worse than Death Magnetic because they're so obviously not into it.

I just feel a bit shit for Trujillo. In 2003 - he had the chance to join the biggest hard rock band on the planet and in that time he's

recorded 1 studio album which was plagued with problems and far from their best and recorded a collaboration album with Lou Reed which everyone hated -

- had to pay up for a music festival which nobody went to - had to cough up for a 3D concert movie which nobody wanted or went to...

And it's been six years and counting since he last put out an album of original material with the band.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2014, 10:57:49 AM
Yeah, I'm sure Trujillo has a lot of sleepless nights in his 50 million dollar mansion with swimming pool, basket court and 4 cars. I bet he really regrets moving out of his apartment above a bowling alley to join Metallica.  :\

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
That's right. He's loaded. That more than makes up for being creative once every 11 years. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 11:03:08 AM
I seriously doubt he was living in a shitty apartment before Metallica having been the bass player for Ozzy Osborne.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2014, 11:06:23 AM
I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who is in the band by his choice. If he felt an urge to write more, he would probably do so.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
We all know how Papa Het feels about side projects.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
Well maybe he doesnt have the creative mind to write music and is perfectly happy touring, playing the normal Metallica songs, and collecting fat paychecks?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ozzy554 on May 10, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)

According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 10, 2014, 07:00:55 PM
Steven Wilson

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 10, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
Quincy Jones, you fucking n00bs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 10, 2014, 09:55:53 PM
If it's Rick Rubin again, my expectations for this album will drop considerably. It would be the least surprising choice given the success of DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 11, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
Probably Bob Rock.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 12:15:24 AM
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 11, 2014, 12:41:03 AM
I'd like to see Butch Vig or Brendan O'Brien give it a go.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 11, 2014, 12:44:42 AM
They aughta get Kurt Ballou on the job.
Ain't happening, not in a million years, but that guy knows how to produce a fucking album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on May 11, 2014, 03:16:52 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)

According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
I thought the problem was with Ted Jensen's mastering rather than Rick Rubin's general producing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 03:20:49 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)

According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
I thought the problem was with Ted Jensen's mastering rather than Rick Rubin's general producing.

Actually, Ted Jensen has said it was brick walled in the mixing stage before it even got to him, and he didn't want to be associated with it. So I guess blame whoever mixed it. I don't know how anyone could have ok'd that album at any stage and thought it was fit to sell.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 11, 2014, 06:18:50 AM
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.

Bite your tongue -- Bob Rock enabled all of Metallica's worst ideas on their last few albums when he should've had the balls as producer to say things like, "Let's edit this repetitive song down a bit," and "No, Lars, those snares sound like shit" on St. Anger.  I seriously hope he never teams up with Metallica again.

I'd happily take another Rick Rubin effort over more Bob Rock.

I say bring back Fleming Rasmussen!!!! :2metal:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 06:24:03 AM
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.

Bite your tongue -- Bob Rock enabled all of Metallica's worst ideas on their last few albums when he should've had the balls as produce to say, "No, Lars, those snares sound like shit" on St. Anger.  I seriously hope he never teams up with Metallica again.

I'd happily take another Rick Rubin effort.

Rick Rubin is so overrated. I can't say I've been impressed with any album he's worked on this millennium. In fact, the two main examples that come to mind that I've heard in recent years are just stripped back blatant rehashes of the bands' older material. Uninspired and under-produced.
Bob Rock produced their biggest (and imo best) album, and other material I've really liked. Sure, St Anger was unquestionably bad, but at least Metallica were constantly progressing as a band under him. Rick Rubin seems to encourage stale pandering.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2014, 06:45:03 AM
Flemming is also over rated. He was just the engineer on "the big 3" .

And those 3 albums don't exactly sound stellar. He was bought in at the last minute when Lars and James botched And Justice For All.

People seem to think that bringing back Flemming will make them write like those albums again - which is obviously bollocks since

that was the "goal" of Death Magnetic and that album is extremely forced.

They need a producer who will tell them they can do better and can get the best performances out of everyone AND make it sound good.

Which is a very tall order in Metallica world.

I think the absolute BEST we can hope for is an album that sounds as good as the Ronnie Rising Medley.  I'm guessing it will sound pretty close to that.


PLUS : All Rick Ruin seems to do is to tell bands " write like when you was good " and then just drops in once in a while to say " yes " or " no " and take 100% of the credit.

AND : Saint Anger would not have sounded like that if METALLICA didn't want it to. Too many people seem to think that Bob Rock stormed in one day and said it's going to sound like

THIS and Lars & James had no option but to go along with it :lol

In the SKOM movie - Lars was saying even before St Anger began that he wanted an "ugly nasty fucked up album".  I suppose that was all Bob Rock's fault ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 11, 2014, 06:53:22 AM
AND : Saint Anger would not have sounded like that if METALLICA didn't want it to. Too many people seem to think that Bob Rock stormed in one day and said it's going to sound like

THIS and Lars & James had no option but to go along with it :lol

In the SKOM movie - Lars was saying even before St Anger began that he wanted an "ugly nasty fucked up album".  I suppose that was all Bob Rock's fault ?

I don't think Bob Rock "forced" them to sound like that on St. Anger but after the length of his relationship with them and his ability to influence their sound, song structure, etc., on prior albums I would've hoped he'd have the guts to man up and point out ways St. Anger could've sounded better.  I fall in the minority of people who actually like St. Anger, but I see so many things they could've done to tighten up that album -- so many of the average and repetitive 8-minute songs could've kicked ass if trimmed to 5 minutes, for example -- and I do hold Bob accountable for not showing more backbone when they needed direction.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 07:30:44 AM
Bob Rock was helping Metallica make exactly the record Metallica wanted to make. Bob Rock is at partial fault for becoming too friendly with the band at that point, and they were right to give him the boot after that, but the album ultimately sucked because of Metallica's decisions. It wasn't actively Bob Rock's fault.

To paraphrase, the lesson here is-
"The only thing necessary for St Anger to be recorded is for good producers to do nothing"

I also fault Rick Rubin for not having the backbone to tell Metallica they were too old to be trying to write the same music they did 20 years ago. I also fault him for apparently not having a functional set of ears.

DM too needed serious trimming all around to be a better album. They could have had an album of kick-ass 5-6 minute metal songs, but instead they ended up with an album of bloated 8 minute songs because of their contrived attempt to emulate their classic albums, with poorly written and performed instrumental sections tacked in. Rick Rubin should have cut the middle section of every single track, and they could have had a great 50-60 minute album, instead of an average 74 minutes.
Tossing a copy of MoP in front of the band and saying "copy that" is a terrible approach to producing an album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 11, 2014, 09:18:46 AM
Hearing Lars STILL defending that mastering job is worrying. I'm sorry, Lars, I really liked the album but it sounds horrible, and you deserve better. Even if it doesn't sound bad to you, it sounds bad to a lot of people. And I guarantee you that the Guitar Hero version will not detract from your listening experience (if you can't hear the distortion on DM you can only slightly hear), while improving that of a lot of people. It's seriously not that hard to admit that you were wrong about the production and that there is objectively something wrong with it. I guarantee you that every one of your fans will either a) not care or b) become far more likely to buy your next album if you say that.

But yeah, if Lars says there are two names and that they're not surprising, the names are probably Bob Rock and Rick Rubin. Given that Bob Rock produced The Black Album, which is probably their best sounding album, and Rubin produced Death Magnetic which was totally botched from an audio standpoint, I'll definitely take Bob Rock. And the songwriting is already in progress, so from that standpoint it's going to be what it's going to be, for better or worse. Personally, like Blob said, I'm rather hoping for an album of mostly 5-6 minute songs, which I think they still may be able to pull off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 11, 2014, 09:25:15 AM
Rick Rubin is the producer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and their albums sound great. Rick Rubin is not the producer for everybody, and he simply doesn't fit with Metallica. Doesn't make him a bad producer though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 11, 2014, 09:32:16 AM
I think Death Magnetic is the only Rubin-produced album I have, so I'm not necessarily judging him as a producer, only saying that I'd rather not see him produce the next Metallica album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 11, 2014, 09:41:09 AM
That's fair enough, and I agree, I'd rather see someone else produce the next Metallica album  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 11, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
Rubin is pretty notorious for compressing the fuck out of albums. Californiacation is a pretty notorious victim of the loudness war.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2014, 02:45:41 PM
Metallica can take as long as they want and keep doing vanity projects that lose money.

I can still listen to Sacred Mother Tongue, Mastodon and Trivium and Dream Theater and Lamb Of God .  :coolio
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 11, 2014, 03:13:09 PM
DOnt ForGET GreEN DAy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2014, 03:21:17 PM
Why are you writing like a teenage girl on twitter ? :lol

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 12, 2014, 10:35:34 AM
Personally, I'd love to see Bob Rock come back as the producer for the next Metallica record.  My thought is this: Metallica is going to write the style of music that THEY want to, whether that be "classic thrash" Metallica or "Black Album" Metallica or "The Load - era" Metallica or something completely different.  At this point in their careers, they are going to write songs to create an album in the style they want to write in, not the style some producer wants.

Lots of people credit Bob Rock for changing Metallica's style on the Black Album, which isn't correct. Its clearly documented that Metallica had the songs for that album written and by the time Bob got involved he only was allowed to have input on small things related to the actual songs themselves, such as tempo.  Mainly he worked with the band to capture the best sonic representation of the group in the studio, in which I believe he succeeded in as the Black Album sounds fantastic. Point being, Metallica is going to create music in the style that they want to, not the style the producer wants them to.  For DM, they wanted to go back to the "classic thrash" Metallica style and Rick helped them (in his own way) travel down that direction, because its what the band wanted.

That being the case, I'd much rather have Bob Rock there.  If Metallica is going to determine the style of the album musically, not the producer, the main role I see the producer playing in ensuring sonic quality.  For that, I chose Bob Rock without question.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
What ?

How bad did Metallica suck live in 2004 ?

Well ASK NO MORE !!!!

https://www.livemetallica.com/live-music/0,23/Metallica-mp3-flac-download-4-28-2004-Freedom-Hall--Louisville-KY.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2014, 08:59:40 AM
https://www.guitarworld.com/metallica-cover-ozzy-osbourne-beatles-and-deep-purple-musicares-map-fund-benefit-video

Metallica covering some songs, including The Beatles, Ozzy, and Deep Purple
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 13, 2014, 09:16:57 AM
Those are pretty cool. I chuckled when James sung "Diarrhea of a Madman!"  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on May 13, 2014, 11:03:47 AM
I never thought I'd see Metallica cover The Beatles. Not that it was a brilliant cover or whatever, it was still touching and at the same time important to see that even Metallica acknowledges The Beatles. What a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2014, 11:24:26 AM
Metallica does do some pretty good cover songs, ill give them that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 13, 2014, 03:45:55 PM
I never thought I'd see Metallica cover The Beatles. Not that it was a brilliant cover or whatever, it was still touching and at the same time important to see that even Metallica acknowledges The Beatles. What a pleasant surprise.

On that note, this reminds me.  There's a cover band called Beatallica where they mashed up Beatles and Metallica songs.  It's not bad.  It's weird however.  Metallica approves of them though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on May 13, 2014, 04:05:07 PM
Beatallica are amazing. I genuinely love "The Thing that should not let it be".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on May 14, 2014, 02:23:16 AM
Yeah, I remember hearing that. But now, Beatallica became reality.  :metal  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 14, 2014, 08:15:30 AM
On that note, this reminds me.  There's a cover band called Beatallica where they mashed up Beatles and Metallica songs.  It's not bad.  It's weird however.  Metallica approves of them though.

Metallica approves of them and DT approves of them as well.  I saw Beatallica open for DT in 2010 while DT was on tour opening for Iron Maiden.  DT played a couple one-off headlining shows during that tour run, one of which was in Ohio and Beatallica opened for them.

MP even came out and joined them for a song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmtsUQYspvk
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 15, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
They need to bring in Nick Raskulinecz to produce the next one.....virtually every record I've heard by him lately is excellent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 16, 2014, 02:47:42 AM
Only good sounding Rick Rubin album I owne is Blue Garden by Masters of the Universe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 16, 2014, 04:59:50 AM
He's responsible for so many amazing albums in the past, it's not even funny.   There was a time when anything the guy touched was guaranteed to be fantastic.   I have no idea what happened.   Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on May 16, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
He's responsible for so many amazing albums in the past, it's not even funny.   There was a time when anything the guy touched was guaranteed to be fantastic.   I have no idea what happened.   Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.

That record itself is amazing though.. weird.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 16, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.
Say what you want about the sound quality(which I think sounds fine) but the Red Hot Chili Peppers are still amazing. I'm With You was amazing as were the all of the b-sides they released.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mindflux on May 16, 2014, 12:21:16 PM
Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.

No, just No. Californication and By The Way are AMAZING.

Hell I even like One Hot Minute quite a bit.  Not a super fan of anything after By The Way, though. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 16, 2014, 08:33:08 PM
I'm pretty sure jammin is talking about the sound quality of the albums, not necessarily the overall quality of the songs or the albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
The Sound for I'm With You has always sounded just fine to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2014, 05:14:15 PM
Here you go. Frayed played live for the first time ever.

Not bad sound .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuZ7gJS6hk
Title: Toy soldiers off to war!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 28, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
Very well done. Lars even appeared to nail the all-important drum fill or if it was off in any way it was virtually unnoticeable. Maybe this'll give 'em the motivation to drag some more shit out of the closet like Where the Wild Things are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
They said they've been practicing more obscure stuff recently like Unforgiven 2.

They're playing St. Anger this tour too. I'm interested in hearing that with Lars new abilities and James now voice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 28, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Very well done. Lars even appeared to nail the all-important drum fill or if it was off in any way it was virtually unnoticeable. Maybe this'll give 'em the motivation to drag some more shit out of the closet like Where the Wild Things are.

The fill was a tad late and slower, but I'm happy he actually did it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 28, 2014, 07:05:09 PM
It's kinda funny, but all the Germany shows are going to have St. Anger on it.  Was that track a major hit there?  Hopefully, there will be a proshot/live stream on it as well as the entire Rock AM Ring festival show and other band performances like A7X and Alter Bridge.  I would not leave that stream at all during that day if there is one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 28, 2014, 11:23:03 PM
That wasn't bad. They played the whole song, and attempted everything as it was on the album. As usual, Lars wasn't that tight, but he kept the right tempo without going fast, and didn't screw up too badly. Hammett did a decent job on the solo, and Hetfield was good as usual.
I still don't think the song is that great, but I'd like to see them play the rarer stuff a bit more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 28, 2014, 11:43:47 PM
Fixxxer or Low Man's Lyric would be nice as would Carpe Diem Baby.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 29, 2014, 12:44:13 AM
That was great! Lars was a lot better than normal, especially during 'THE fill'. Kirk wasn't really tight with the solo, but whatever. Overall the song sounded great and I'm surprised at how good James' vocals are getting.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on May 29, 2014, 03:31:45 AM
I still don't think the song is that great, but I'd like to see them play the rarer stuff a bit more.
I can't really see that happening with this By Request thing they're doing now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on May 29, 2014, 09:17:41 AM
Yeah, the fill was a tad slower but I'm still stoked he actually played it and that he was so faithful to the drum parts.

I'm actually happy their playing some St. Anger stuff, if only to bring some diversity to the sets. They sorely need it!

Also, a few days ago The Black Album crossed the 16 million records sold line it's officially the biggest selling record of the SoundScan era.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 29, 2014, 09:30:07 AM
Apart from a few minor changes it really feels like they have played the same setlist for the last 10 years or so. I know the casual fans are probably the biggest part of their fanbase, and it makes sense to play mostly classics, but it would be fun seeing them bring out some oddballs from Load/ReLoad or even St.Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 29, 2014, 12:29:06 PM
The St. Anger songs would be pretty energetic live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on May 30, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
That Frayed Ends performance was pretty damn good except for the solo. One of my favourite songs from AJFA, cool to see it finally played live in its entirety.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 30, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
That Frayed Ends performance was pretty damn good except for the solo. One of my favourite songs from AJFA, cool to see it finally played live in its entirety.
If Kirk were to practise a lot more, and if he were to be able to nail the solo, Metallica would be really fun to see live again. I mean, Lars nowadays isn't a very good drummer still, but he is a lot better than he was 10 (or even 5) years ago. James is only getting better and Robert is always good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
While I have never seen Metallica live before, If I were to see them, Id hope they wouldnt too their standard tour and actually play some different tunes.  I have a few of the DVDs and Blu Rays so I dont really have an interest in seeing all the same stuff they always play.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 30, 2014, 03:52:48 PM
^True that, I've seen them once but I'd only go see them again if the setlists were less 'standard'.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 05:37:10 PM
Wouldn't count on it for now. Bread and butter is bread and butter with them it seems. Not griping either cuz their setlists are really quite fantastic and are only weighed down by redundancy, not content.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 30, 2014, 07:30:11 PM
When people say " You hate hearing Sandman live until you go and see Metallica - then you want them to play it "

Nope. If I saw Metallica live for the first time and they didn't play Nothing, Sad, Sand or Seek - i'd be a very happy bunny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2014, 09:56:19 PM
I'd be pissed off if I'd paid ~$170 (it was around that when I saw them) and didn't get to see a lot of those known songs. I do like surprises too, but stick them in other slots (such as instead of the chunk of DM they played). But I want to hear Enter Sandman, Seek and Destroy, Master of Puppets etc. Seeing a live clip on Youtube a hundred times is not the same as being there live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 10:14:11 PM
Word. I saw them for the first (and only) time on the St. Anger tour and this was the setlist:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2004/new-orleans-arena-new-orleans-la-33d6dc8d.html

Blackened
Fuel
Harvester of Sorrow
No Leaf Clover
Wherever I May Roam
The Unforgiven
The God that Failed
St. Anger
Fade to Black
Creeping Death
Battery

Encore:

Sad but True
Nothing Else Matters
Master of Puppets
One
Enter Sandman

Encore 2:

Disposable Heroes
Seek & Destroy


It fucking ripped my dick off with its awesomeness. I got white girl wasted off of piss and my neck hurt for the next four days from headbanging like a PCP-fueled harlot sucking dick for her next fix. Wouldn't change it for the world.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2014, 10:42:11 PM
This was the setlist when I saw them-
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2010/acer-arena-sydney-australia-43d55b1b.html

With a back catalogue like Metallica's, do they even have bad setlists?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 11:23:15 PM
Nigga, you got to see Through the Never...AJFA........












...AND Motorbreath?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 30, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Here's the setlist I got when I saw them:


:sadpanda:


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Sad Panda's a misunderstood, grandiose epic. Stop being a spoiled bitch and eat your porridge.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on May 31, 2014, 12:08:28 AM
I think the thing that makes the live staples fun for me is the energy of the crowd.  When a band plays a deep cut from a one of their less popular albums, there are going to be people in the crowd who love it, but there are also going to be people in the crowd who hate it, as well as people who just don't give a fuck about it, and potentially even a few people who have never even heard it.  On the other hand, when a band lays a live staple and traditional fan favorite, yes, there are going to be some people who are sick of it, but the vocal majority are going to be singing along and rocking the fuck out, and that energy makes for a great experience. 

For example, when I went to see Iron Maiden, I know there were people in the audience who had been to hundreds of Maiden concerts and were sick to death of hearing Fear of the Dark.  You know what I would say to those people?  'Tough shit.'  It was my first time seeing them, and I would have been severely disappointed if I didn't get to experience FotD.  There's a reason they keep playing that song - it's an amazing audience participation song, and it makes for a wonderful live atmosphere. 

Same thing goes with some of the Metallica staples for me.  Even if they aren't necessarily my favorite songs, I'm going to love the experience, because I'm going to be surrounded by a sea of people who are loving it. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 31, 2014, 12:42:37 AM
I really wish they'd switch up the set closer. Cuz Seek & Destroy, while a great song, is getting EXTREMELY boring and predictable at the end.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 31, 2014, 12:58:40 AM
Seek is, at best, a good to pretty good song. Nothing great. The intro is really the only noteworthy thing about it and much of it is bland. I'd easily consider all of these KEA tracks better:

The Four Horsemen
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth)
Whiplash
Phantom Lord
No Remorse

So basically, I only consider it better than Hit the Lights (as far as KEA goes) and might enjoy Metal Militia more than it on any given day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2014, 01:00:36 AM
I think the thing that makes the live staples fun for me is the energy of the crowd.  When a band plays a deep cut from a one of their less popular albums, there are going to be people in the crowd who love it, but there are also going to be people in the crowd who hate it, as well as people who just don't give a fuck about it, and potentially even a few people who have never even heard it.  On the other hand, when a band lays a live staple and traditional fan favorite, yes, there are going to be some people who are sick of it, but the vocal majority are going to be singing along and rocking the fuck out, and that energy makes for a great experience. 

For example, when I went to see Iron Maiden, I know there were people in the audience who had been to hundreds of Maiden concerts and were sick to death of hearing Fear of the Dark.  You know what I would say to those people?  'Tough shit.'  It was my first time seeing them, and I would have been severely disappointed if I didn't get to experience FotD.  There's a reason they keep playing that song - it's an amazing audience participation song, and it makes for a wonderful live atmosphere. 

Same thing goes with some of the Metallica staples for me.  Even if they aren't necessarily my favorite songs, I'm going to love the experience, because I'm going to be surrounded by a sea of people who are loving it. 

Good points. :tup
The band may have played the same song live at every single show, but most of the audience is only seeing that one show, so they want to hear that song. And the audience response is a part of the live experience, for better or worse.
Luckily, Metallica is one of those bands that could play just about any random mixed setlist, and I'd probably be happy. They don't just have a couple of "hits" per album, and then some obscure filler; they have multiple classic albums of strong material that would almost all be great to hear played.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2014, 01:59:59 AM
https://www.metallica.com/tour/may-28-2014-helsinki.asp

Frayed pro shot and soundboard audio at the end ( 30 min video ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
Awesome! Enjoying that quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on June 03, 2014, 03:28:48 PM
Indeed!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
On the Metallica forum - someone said that Met On Tour would probably celebrate the debut of Frayed by showing us Sandman from the show.

Met On Tour replied " We should ".

Then they did :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on June 10, 2014, 06:02:47 AM
https://www.revolvermag.com/news/video-watch-metallicas-entire-rock-am-ring-set.html

Live show from Rock Am Ring.

Damn, Hetfield's singing is very good! He's so powerful all of a sudden. His growl is deep and he has the highs as well. What the f**k is this!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 10, 2014, 08:11:01 AM
Taken right before their Pinkpop gig in the Netherlands....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10389681_455450257933304_1351227242053706598_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on June 10, 2014, 08:12:43 AM
Hunter of the shadows is riiiiiisiiiiiiiiiing!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 10, 2014, 08:38:00 AM
Gotta be shopped.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 11, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Wow...I'm thinking that's not fake.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on June 11, 2014, 04:52:32 PM
So I was watching Creeping Death from Cunning Stunts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rrzdyeDC0) and it occurred to me that there is more time between now and Cunning Stunts than there is between Cunning Stunts and the release of Creeping Death.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/events/errnc8/live/cgfrbp

Metallica live from Glasto tonight at 21:45 GMT

2 Hour set.

:)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2014, 12:43:18 PM
So I was watching Creeping Death from Cunning Stunts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rrzdyeDC0) and it occurred to me that there is more time between now and Cunning Stunts than there is between Cunning Stunts and the release of Creeping Death.

This is completely off topic but -

- someone pointed out that next year is 30 years since Back To The Future and 1985 was 30 years since 1955.

The point being that 1955 is way more different to 1985 than 1985 is to now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 28, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
^^ Wow.  That's spooky.

As for the Glastonbury stream, I've been trying for a while to get the stream to run properly and I finally got it done.  Now I can wait 30 min. before Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 28, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
Very interesting and good intro video in light of the whole some people wanted Metallica out of Glastonbury due to James' thing on hunting on the History Channel (I think).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUbulh9WdLtEXiooRcYK7SWw&v=L3BSjV0IkWU

Start it at around 1:30.  Before that time is their standard intro video.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on June 28, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
I still maintain that mid 90s Metallica was the best Metallica. You got the great songs off of Load/Re-Load plus the band still kicking ass on their old shit (as evidenced by the Creeping Death video). James really came into his voice at that time and I really like the bluesier shit Kirk was into, Lars could still play, and Jason provided a shitload of energy and awesome backing vox.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 28, 2014, 07:21:30 PM
The Black Album tour was awesome in a multitude of ways. They pretty much turned over and died as soon as Load happened though. It's not bad music per se, but it's sure as shit not Metallica.

And seeing what they are now...god. They really should have just hung it up after that tour. It's really only gone downhill with maybe a few brief ascents before promptly descending even further.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 30, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
The 80s - great.

The 90's - Decent

The 00's to now = :emo:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cruithne on July 01, 2014, 07:26:03 AM
Very interesting and good intro video in light of the whole some people wanted Metallica out of Glastonbury due to James' thing on hunting on the History Channel (I think).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUbulh9WdLtEXiooRcYK7SWw&v=L3BSjV0IkWU

Start it at around 1:30.  Before that time is their standard intro video.

Because obviously the same people taking objection to James' support of hunting are those lobbying parliament for the ban on fox hunting to be lifted so they can saddle up with their fellow upper class chums and satisfy their lust for vulpine blood?  :justjen

I'm not sure what mark they were trying to hit with that, but I think it was an ill judged one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 02, 2014, 02:16:42 AM
All the little Tarquins and Penelopes going to Glastonbury on Daddy's money to celebrate their graduations didn't want Metallica there - simple as. I mean, Daddy's hasn't paid £3K for a deluxe teepee so they can listen to devil music with the unwashed proles, has he? The hunting thing was just an excuse.

Anyway, I thought Metallica owned it, and made me regret not going to Sonisphere this weekend. I dragged some of the old Metallica CDs out to listen to again and a thought occured to me - those older albums are crying out for decent CD remasters - can anyone think of a bigger selling band that still hasn't had its pre-digital back catalogue remastered? ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 02, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
lol


https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 03, 2014, 01:28:29 AM
I had a dream during my 16-hour sleep last night that James could sing about 75% as well as his black album tour self. Weirdly/awesomely enough, he was sporting his 80s hair length but regular and straight in texture, not Suzanne Somers in Three's Company style.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 03, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
lol


https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/

But then Lars would be remembered as the greatest drummer of all time whilst Cliff would be the one that went sloppy :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on July 03, 2014, 08:31:37 PM
lol


https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/

The average IQ of those commentors must be about 17. Sorry I read them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on July 19, 2014, 12:30:44 PM
Does anyone think that St. Anger has a sound and style that is pretty similar to Korn's debut S/T album? For this I find it kinda interesting that Korn's vocalist, Johnathan something, has said he thinks St. Anger is horrible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 20, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
Except Korn's debut is good, has much better sounding drums, and is not really anything like SA at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on July 20, 2014, 07:47:22 PM
Well Korn also has that creepy shadowy crustacean on the cover so 1 point to Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on July 20, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
lol


https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
Fucking ouch. I'd think a genuine Metallica fan wouldn't want to disrespect Metallica by wearing that. (I'm not implying you would or wouldn't, I'm just speaking in general)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on July 25, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
Just listening to Reload, and realizing what I don't like about it (and Load): they try to be heavy and they're not, they try to be emotional and they are not.  They just sound watered-down and forced. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 25, 2014, 04:10:59 PM
Depends if you want heavy.

Death Magnetic sounds *way* more forced to me. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on July 25, 2014, 07:49:29 PM
Load/Reload also suffers from bad recording I think.  The sound is not as rich as on The Black Album, especially the vocals.  Also, James sounds like he's singing both heavy songs and ballads in the same voice, where on songs like Unforgiven, there's a clear difference in tone and feeling.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 25, 2014, 09:11:11 PM
I find some of the songs on Load and Reload very emotional. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 25, 2014, 10:56:01 PM
I think Load definitely has some of their most emotional songs. James' vocals are overall much more emotional than his older approach. It doesn't try to be thrash metal heavy, it aims to be a heavy rock sound, and it succeeds. As my pal Kotowboy said, it sounds much less forced than DM.
And imo it has their best production along with TBA. The albums before were cheaper recordings with some obvious issues, and the studio albums since have sounded notoriously bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on July 26, 2014, 02:02:14 AM
Agreed Blob, Black Album through to Garage Inc was their peak in terms of sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 26, 2014, 02:56:59 AM
Regardless of what people think of the music, the '90s was a good decade for production for Metallica.
Now that Metallica owns their recordings, I'd love to see the '80s albums get good remasters, and remixes where needed, as long as they don't mess up the mastering. I love AJFA, but I can't listen to it anymore due to the wonky mix. Having that album with bass guitar would be like a whole new album experience for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 26, 2014, 03:44:55 AM
I was having that really tired argument with someone on twitter last night. You know the one.

" Bob Rock ruined Metallica ! He made them go commercial ! "

 ::) That's why the demoes for the Black Album existed pretty much as they appear on the finished album BEFORE Bob Rock came on board

AND

Bob Rock said in an interview that he wasn't allowed to suggest arrangement ideas - he could only suggest tempos

AND

It's f---ing Hetfield and Ulrich. Does anyone really think that anything happens in Metallica without their consent ? If so - you don't know how much they control the band.

Same with St. Anger. Some people actually think the production was 100% Bob's "fault" and James and Lars just stood silent in a corner shuffling their feet going

" Yes Bob. No Bob. :emo: "

AND

They heard the Motley Crue album Bob produced and said " we want it to sound like that ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on July 26, 2014, 08:40:09 AM
I agree the songs are more emotional, but the delivery seems cold and unfeeling to me compared to say NEM.  Whatever, it's just something I noticed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on July 27, 2014, 02:11:11 PM
I think Mama Said is very emotional, and Fixxxer also.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 27, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
They need to play Fixxxer live. It's time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2015, 06:30:35 AM
So Lars has told Rolling Stone that they're pretty much in "pre-production" mode.

I assume this means that all the material for the album is written and they're demoing all the finished songs to see what needs tweaking / if there's an overall theme /

nailing the vibe of the album / deciding on producer.

However - even after Pre Production - Death Magnetic still took 18 months to come out so don't hold your breath :lol

At least it's *something*.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 03, 2015, 07:22:20 AM
Yeah. I'm now at the point where I no longer bother to see whats going on with it.

If it ever comes out I'll find out, bot for now I AM THE TABLE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 03, 2015, 07:27:45 AM
In other news, the band has announced that their No Life 'Til Leather demo will be officially released.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/legendary_metallica_demo_tape_to_get_official_release.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2015, 07:31:10 AM
Yeah. I'm now at the point where I no longer bother to see whats going on with it.

If it ever comes out I'll find out, bot for now I AM THE TABLE

I'm that way with TOOL as well. 9 years since 10,000 Days which wasn't anywhere near as good as Lateralus despite taking 5 years itself.

May 2006 - just think back to what you were doing then and everything you've done / achieved in that time and TOOL have been working on one album the whole time.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on March 03, 2015, 10:03:29 AM
This got me thinking if that No Life 'Til Leather release would have happened two years back, Dave Mustaine would have been inducted with them in the Hall of Fame since the HoF committee said he wasn't cause he never appear on an official Metallica release.
Somewhere Mustaine heard this news and went "D'Oh!" heh
But it's cool they're releasing it, I was just recently thinking of digging my old mp3's of it up for a listen but now I'll just wait for the -hopefully- better quality release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 03, 2015, 12:37:15 PM
:lol


That sucks
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.

I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.

I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 04, 2015, 05:37:38 PM
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.

I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.

I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.

That would be 8 years between full studio albums. Insane. I remember back in the 80s long before the internet you would just constantly check the record stores hoping to see a new release. Good thing my favorite bands didn't take 8 years in between albums back then.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 04, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.

I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.

I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.

That would be 8 years between full studio albums. Insane. I remember back in the 80s long before the internet you would just constantly check the record stores hoping to see a new release. Good thing my favorite bands didn't take 8 years in between albums back then.  :lol

Were there no announcements on the radio, TV, or magazine?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2015, 05:44:20 PM
Back in the day - like early 90s - you'd learn of new albums in music magazines.

I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.


RE : Metallica. I'd prefer nothing for ages then an update saying exactly where they are instead of years of vague half-truths and blatantly false information.

Metallica have done this too but i'm thinking specifically of other bands.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 05:54:01 PM

I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.

Usually the way you found out about new albums was on the radio. There'd be a new single or a video on MTV.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2015, 06:03:35 PM

I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.

Usually the way you found out about new albums was on the radio. There'd be a new single or a video on MTV.

Yes this too. I'm not old enough to be into music before a time when it was all over the TV.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 04, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
I'm old enough to remember the 80's.   If you hung around your local record store often enough that they knew you on a first name basis, the guy behind the counter usually had a couple of months notice from the local record reps.   

If you wanted to know, there were always ways to get a heads up. 

Sometimes, if I thought a band was due, I would just call the local reps myself.    Every record company had a local distribution center in most major metropolis areas.    I would call local reps myself out of the phonebook, and sometimes they had heard about things that were on the horizon *several* months in advance. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 04, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 04, 2015, 10:19:27 PM
Most of my favorite bands would just send a carrier pigeon to my house with the title/track listing/release date of their upcoming albums. Musicians were so polite back then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2015, 07:55:37 AM
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.
Right. Most stores had a "Upcoming New Releases" board hanging up.

And there were still ways to follow a band. Kerrang had a great news section, that was very up to date.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 05, 2015, 11:32:47 AM
After St. Anger and Death Magnetic,  I'm expecting audiophile recording and mixing this time. Stop fooling around.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 05, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
After St. Anger and Death Magnetic,  I'm expecting audiophile recording and mixing this time. Stop fooling around.

At least the band have addressed Death magnetic's sound in a negative fashion. They know it sounds bad.

I can't imagine the next album will sound as bad.  Lou Reed aside - Lulu actually sounded nice sonically. Fat guitars and drums.

Also their Ronnie Rising medley. The next album needs to sound like those. Bring back that signature Hetfield CRUNCH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 05, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.
Right. Most stores had a "Upcoming New Releases" board hanging up.

And there were still ways to follow a band. Kerrang had a great news section, that was very up to date.

Kerrang's distribution in the US was pretty spotty in the 80s, but in keeping with the thread Kerrang was how I found out when Master of Puppets was coming out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 20, 2015, 05:07:50 PM
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2015, 05:15:27 PM
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black

Is touring the US a losing money scenario for them?  Why don't the do a US arena tour?   (I stole that from one of the commenters) If IM can do it and be successful, why isnt Metallica doing this?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black

2 x Orion Festivals which lost money.

1 x Lulu album which nobody bought

1 x 3D Concert movie which flopped badly



Honestly - the stupidest thing they did was - after releasing a well received comeback LP and successful  tour in 2008 -

they did nothing to follow it up and maintain that new momentum. They stopped dead in their tracks and let it all grind to a halt.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2015, 07:52:11 PM
One thing I don't quite understand though...

Metallica as a business lost all that money but Metallica the individuals are still set for life.

Where does the money for the "business" side come from if the guys in the band don't pay for it ?

How do they seperate personal royalties from business funds ?

Anyone business minded care to help me out ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 20, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
One thing I don't quite understand though...

Metallica as a business lost all that money but Metallica the individuals are still set for life.

Where does the money for the "business" side come from if the guys in the band don't pay for it ?

How do they seperate personal royalties from business funds ?

Anyone business minded care to help me out ?

Just an educated guess, but aren't business loses a tax write off?   The Metallica company keeps its members on the payroll, so they still get a check, but if the Metallica company loses money, there are ways to protect it financially.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on March 21, 2015, 05:32:32 AM
I expect the Metallica business to have built up fairly substantial reserves from past successes.

I'd also point out that the article only says "it's likely" that the business has lost money. They don't know for certain, as it's only based on the fact that there have been some financial disasters, but they won't know the details of how much money their successes have made. I imagine that, other than the Orion festival, most of their touring is quite profitable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on March 21, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black

2 x Orion Festivals which lost money.

1 x Lulu album which nobody bought

1 x 3D Concert movie which flopped badly



Honestly - the stupidest thing they did was - after releasing a well received comeback LP and successful  tour in 2008 -

they did nothing to follow it up and maintain that new momentum. They stopped dead in their tracks and let it all grind to a halt.


I will add, on top of this, that them buying out their record rights, and the fact that they have HQ has to contribute. That place is insane, so to pay for that place, the staff, and all the gear in there cannot be cheap either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 21, 2015, 12:54:04 PM
I expect the Metallica business to have built up fairly substantial reserves from past successes.

I'd also point out that the article only says "it's likely" that the business has lost money. They don't know for certain, as it's only based on the fact that there have been some financial disasters, but they won't know the details of how much money their successes have made. I imagine that, other than the Orion festival, most of their touring is quite profitable.

Their touring should be profitable.  Here are the boxscores of their last South America tour last year.

Metallica Estadio do Morumbi Sao Paulo, Brazil March 22, 2014 $5,701,630 61,742 / 63,347 1 / 0 $257.68, $77.30 T4F-Time For Fun

10 Metallica Estadio Unico Ciudad de La Plata Buenos Aires, Argentina March 29-30, 2014 $4,719,390 76,407 / 79,038 2 / 0 $124.87, $31.22 T4F-Time For Fun

12 Metallica Parque Bicentenario Quito, Ecuador March 18, 2014 $3,877,959 32,257 / 32,257 1 / 1 $225, $30 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

15 Metallica Estadio Monumental Santiago, Chile March 27, 2014 $3,508,790 43,296 / 43,296 1 / 1 $170.18, $48.37 T4F-Time For Fun

18 Metallica Parque Simon Bolivar Bogota, Colombia March 16, 2014 $2,857,030 30,974 / 34,137 1 / 0 $156.23, $73.23 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

21 Metallica Jockey Club Asuncion, Paraguay March 24, 2014 $2,256,140 28,277 / 32,200 1 / 0 $223.81, $40.29 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

26 Metallica Estadio Nacional Lima, Peru March 20, 2014 $1,925,090 27,858 / 31,600 1 / 0 $164.23, $18.95 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

https://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/139175/billboard-boxscore-04-12-14

At the very least, they are not certainly playing in front of half-emptied crowds in South America and they always going to be a huge draw in any European Summer festivals, no matter what kind of tour they want to do. 

It's just the other ventures that are the problem.  I mean sure, they probably want to do all of this (Lulu, Orion Festival, Through the Never Movie) because they feel like doing it and can afford to do to take a hit if it doesn't do well financially.  The problem is just that the fans just don't care as much.  The fans just want a new album out and an arena tour where they don't have to pay as much money for a ticket as a festival or a stadium shows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 21, 2015, 03:20:49 PM
I finally bought Load. It was $5 at Walmart. So was Master of Puppets, but I already have that. I think by next year Walmart wont have CDs anymore. Their CD section is more gutted than Target. In fact, every major store's CD section is shrinking more and more. It makes me sad. Fry's Electronics is selling most of their CDs for $5 too, but I haven't been there in a while so they could all be gone by now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 21, 2015, 03:26:52 PM
It's a sad state of affairs, to go off topic for a moment, when a Barnes & Noble has more CDs in it than Best Buy. And right now, in a suburban area with about 300,000 people in it, there's only ONE dedicated music store, a FYE in a mall that's showing the classic early signs of retail death. I suspect in five years if I don't want to order a CD from online stores, I'll have to go to a really big city.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 21, 2015, 03:48:25 PM
Yeah even FYE is dropping their prices a bit. I never liked that store though because of the prices. $20+ for a CD when everywhere else is charging $12 to $14 max. Get out of here with that shit. I don't plan on living in AZ forever so the biggest hit for me is not being able to go to the local record store, Zia, which there are many locations. I want to move back to Florida, and there isn't anything like Zia over there. I usual buy online anyway, but it's nice when you don't have to pay extra for shipping.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
Record stores have been dying a slow painful death for awhile now and its spread to electronic stores that also sold music.  Oh well, that is life.  Eventually a CD will be a novelty the way records are today, people will still buy them but only the really hardcore music fans and audiophiles.  I personally stopped buying CDs a long time ago.  Amazon with instant MP3 downloads ended that for me.  CDs also take up space.  Its just the way of evolution.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 23, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
But it's beautiful, beautiful space.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
But it's beautiful, beautiful space.

It is and I still have my CD stacked in a nice tower holder, but it has not been added to or modified in many years while my music library has still grown.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on March 25, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..

I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?

There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2015, 05:12:46 PM
Anyone see or read this?

https://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/you-can-blame-lars-ulrich-for-lack-of-bass-on-metallicas-and-justice-for-all/ (https://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/you-can-blame-lars-ulrich-for-lack-of-bass-on-metallicas-and-justice-for-all/)

I've always disliked Lars and I can just add this to my reasons why, although I know he is not the only musician to do something like this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:05:50 PM
What a dickbag

Probably coked out of his mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 25, 2015, 09:06:58 PM
I bet his drums sounded amazing before he interfered.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:10:32 PM
Listening to And Justice for Jason now.  This album would be so much better if it had some bass in it - his parts are cool and his tone is gnarly af.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on March 26, 2015, 12:28:34 AM
Lars's a douche. I'd slap him in the face.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 26, 2015, 12:33:00 AM
Seriously, tho.  And Justice for Jason is great.  I really enjoyed listening through that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 04:13:32 AM
Seriously, tho.  And Justice for Jason is great.  I really enjoyed listening through that.

Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 05:15:43 AM
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..

I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?

There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.

The production is excellent on them, though I have not heard ReLoad in years. I wouldn't say the albums are underappreciated at all. You can find tons of people that like them. And maybe by another band, they're not bad albums. They are just bad Metallica albums. There are some decent tunes on Load to be sure, but that is not the Metallica that I fell in love with.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 26, 2015, 05:57:08 AM
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..

I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?

There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.

The production is excellent on them, though I have not heard ReLoad in years. I wouldn't say the albums are underappreciated at all. You can find tons of people that like them. And maybe by another band, they're not bad albums. They are just bad Metallica albums. There are some decent tunes on Load to be sure, but that is not the Metallica that I fell in love with.
They're not "bad". They just aren't what you were looking for from that band. Those are two different things. You're absolutely allowed to not like them, but it's a bit silly to label them as bad just because they're not like their earlier material.
Honestly, if Metallica had kept releasing albums in the  style of their first four, people would complain that they'd gotten stale and were repeating themselves.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 06:09:19 AM
TL, I agree kind of. But they are bad Metallica albums, at least in terms of what Metallica was at the time. When they came out, I can't think of one Metallica fan that would not have them at the bottom.
That said, anyone that wasn't around at the time has the luxury of ignorance of what Metallica spent years of building. I can definitely see how someone younger can look at Load and compare it to Master, and decide that Master just isn't their cup of tea, but Load is.
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.
No I can get though about half of Load, but to me, Metallica is a band that fell off the face of the earth in 1992.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 26, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
That's fair.
For reference, I didn't listen to Metallica in a significant way until the early 2000s, so I wasn't along for the initial ride.
I wouldn't necessarily cite Load and Reload as better than the classic era; more that they're two very different things, and coming in late, I can appreciate each style for what they are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 26, 2015, 02:32:15 PM
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.

their core support already was the mainstream, exactly because of the black album style shift you mentioned right after.  :rollin

i don't like Load and Re-Load much either, but they didn't do that because they wanted more success. if that was what they wanted, there would be TBA again and again every couple of years, S&M and St. Anger would never have happened, etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 26, 2015, 04:11:47 PM
Seriously, tho.  And Justice for Jason is great.  I really enjoyed listening through that.

Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?

Hmmm? I don't think so?

No I can get though about half of Load, but to me, Metallica is a band that fell off the face of the earth in 1992.

If only!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 27, 2015, 02:16:19 AM
The Unforgiven played by 8 floppy disc drives :|

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=37&v=lHgIpxQac3w
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 27, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
dafuq
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.

their core support already was the mainstream, exactly because of the black album style shift you mentioned right after.  :rollin

Yeah, I don't disagree. TBA was a huge shift, but for me, as much as I had trouble with it, I could still live with it.Load was another shift in the wrong (for me) direction, and I just couldn't follow them seriously after that.

That's fair.
For reference, I didn't listen to Metallica in a significant way until the early 2000s, so I wasn't along for the initial ride.
I wouldn't necessarily cite Load and Reload as better than the classic era; more that they're two very different things, and coming in late, I can appreciate each style for what they are.
Hey I didn't mean to go all Fogey on you. :lol
I envy you because you can look at Load and Reload objectively, whereas I cannot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 04:10:24 PM
Re-Load was actually the album that got me into Metallica.  It was those hits on the radio that introduced me, but it wasn't long before I realized the older material was where the goods were.  It left Reload and Load to still be solid albums at the time for me, but as I grew older I stopped liking those albums as much.  Still good stuff there, but not overall great albums like the previous.  And TBA is still a really good album IMO.  Just my view based on when I became a fan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on March 28, 2015, 05:49:49 AM


Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?

Hmmm? I don't think so?



I felt the tracks were from GH or RB-Metallica. I do not think I will ever buy the idea that GH and RB were the master tracks. I do remember reading that the greatest hits GH had original masters. And an article had talked about the guy that before the GH-GH package was the guitarist who re-recorded tracks of everything. GH or RB-Metallica was after that chronologically, so maybe it was the masters.
 
Any who, I actually have AJFJ instead of AJFA on my phone. Real bass tracks or not, AJFA is inaudible, so to me there never were any bass tracks. So having them, real or made up/covers to me is cool and adds to it! The very rare times I was able to hear bass on AJFA via headphones, it did feel Jason was following the guitars 100%; which is what AJFJ does.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 28, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
I'm used to AJFA without bass. It is how it is. It somehow sounds very strange to my ears with the added bass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 29, 2015, 03:24:44 PM
It actually sounds way better with bass.  It ties everything together, it makes the mid-scooped guitars sound way better, and the drums sound fatter. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 29, 2015, 04:56:24 PM
Ride

Puppets
Justice
Kill
Black
DM

Load
ReLoad





St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2015, 05:03:46 PM
Nearly...

1. Master Of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Load
5. And Justice For All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Kill Em All
9. St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 29, 2015, 05:21:43 PM
1. Master Of Puppets
2. And Justice For All
3. The Black Album
4. Ride The Lightning
5. Death Magnetic
6. Kill Em All
7. Load
8. Re-Load
9. St. Anger (Sweet Amber is gawt damn dope though)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 29, 2015, 05:46:03 PM
1. And Justice for All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride The Lightning
4. The Black Album
5. Kill Em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Load
8. Re-Load
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 06:06:25 PM
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
...And Justice For All
Metallica
Kill 'Em All
Load
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 29, 2015, 08:22:24 PM
We doing this?

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning
4. The Black Album
5. Load
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Death Magnetic
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 29, 2015, 08:31:37 PM
We doing this?

rite?

1. Rust in Peace
2. Youthanasia
3. Countdown to Extinction
4. So Far, So Good, So What
5. Peace Sells
6. KIMB
7. Cryptic Writings
8. The System Has Failed
9. The World Needs a Hero

And then Megadeth suddenly stops.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 29, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Nearly...

1. Master Of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Load
5. And Justice For All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Kill Em All
9. St Anger

I really haven't taken any notice since Load...........so take out the others and I basically agree.   And it's MoP by the length of the straight for me and then another big gap down after Ride The Lightning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 29, 2015, 10:19:12 PM
Ride the Lightning
Load
Master of Puppets
The Black Album
And Justice For All
Death Magnetic
Kill Em All
Reload
St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 10:25:36 PM
1.) Ride the Lightning
1.) Load
1.) Master of Puppets
1.) The Black Album
1.) And Justice For All
1.) Death Magnetic
1.) Kill Em All
1.) Reload
2.) St. Anger

Fixed to be more Jaffa-like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 29, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2015, 05:25:59 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning
-----
4. Load
5. Kill Em All
6. The Black Album
7. Reload
-----
8. St. Anger
-----
(Lulu)
(The Nine Circles of Hell)
9. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 30, 2015, 05:49:43 AM
1. Black Album
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Master Of Puppets
4. And Justice For All

5. Death Magnetic
6. Kill Em All
7. Load
8. Reload



9. St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 30, 2015, 06:07:49 AM
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
And Justice For All
Kill Em All
St Anger
Lulu
The Black Album
Load
Reload
Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on March 30, 2015, 06:27:55 AM
Boy, is it really that time again already?!

1. ...And Justice for All
2. Load
3. Master of Puppets
4. Metallica
5. Death Magnetic / Beyond Magnetic
6. Ride the Lightning
7. Reload
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St Anger

Everything down to and including Reload is at least good, and KEA is decent as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on March 30, 2015, 07:04:01 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. And Justice For All


4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica
6. Kill Em All




7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 30, 2015, 08:27:04 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Kill 'Em All - used to be really low, but I've grown quite fond of it over the years
5. ...And Justice For All
6. Load
7. Re-Load
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. And Justice For All


4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica
6. Kill Em All




7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger

I'll go along with this if you're ranking based on your actual enjoyment of those albums and not because " Load, Reload & St Angry R SHIT LOLOL "

Load & Reload are bloated but they both have some killer songs on like Fixxxer, Devil's Dance, Wild Things, Carpe Diem, The Outlaw Torn, Bleeding Me, Wasting My Hate, Mama Said, Hero Of The Day.



p.s. let's NOT do " post your Load/Reload compilation". :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 30, 2015, 10:45:45 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. And Justice For All


4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica
6. Kill Em All




7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger

I'll go along with this if you're ranking based on your actual enjoyment of those albums and not because " Load, Reload & St Angry R SHIT LOLOL "

 >:( :censored >:( :censored :censored >:( :censored >:( :censored >:( :censored

Bloody hell, man! Why else would they be at the bottom? Real people don't pretend to hate stuff just because it's the popular opinion. Gah! You know what? Where's the paddle? I've had enough of you. Turn around.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 10:48:19 AM
 :police: spank me !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2015, 10:49:46 AM
I'd rather listen to Nickelback for 5 hours than having to sit through Death Magnetic once.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 10:52:27 AM
I'd rather listen to Nickelback for 5 hours than having to sit through Death Magnetic once.

I don't mind it. But I'd never rank it *above* The Black Album or Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 30, 2015, 12:36:56 PM
Ride
Justice
Master

Black
Death
Kill


Load/reload










Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on April 01, 2015, 02:44:50 PM
If anybody blamed Lars for selling out because he cut his hair in 96`, they may take a look at how he looks with long hair (in a pony-tail) now:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/hunken_selv/Lars_zpsbqtwnu1w.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/hunken_selv/media/Lars_zpsbqtwnu1w.jpg.html)
 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 01, 2015, 11:30:52 PM
Lars Townsend as Ziltoid the Impotent
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zeltar on April 02, 2015, 12:33:05 AM
Lars Townsend as Ziltoid the Impotent
:tup

Haven't listened to a Metallica album in years. Hm. I can work off memory.

1. And Justice for All
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Master of Puppets
4. Kill 'em All
5. Death Magnetic
6. Load
7. Black Album
8. Reload





9. St. Anger

Put on St. Anger while writing that list. Couldn't make it halfway through Frantic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 02, 2015, 01:36:10 AM

Haven't listened to a Metallica album in years. Hm. I can work off memory.

1. And Justice for All
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Master of Puppets

4. Kill 'em All
5. Death Magnetic
6. Load
7. Black Album
8. Reload





9. St. Anger





Great minds think alike
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on April 13, 2015, 07:09:36 AM
"Metallica are '25 percent' done with new album".

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_are_25_percent_done_with_new_album_says_kirk_hammett.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_are_25_percent_done_with_new_album_says_kirk_hammett.html)

I love their pic for the news  :P

(https://cdn.ustatik.com/article/news/2/35612_ver1428929705.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Deathless on April 13, 2015, 07:14:31 AM
"Metallica are '25 percent' done with new album".

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_are_25_percent_done_with_new_album_says_kirk_hammett.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_are_25_percent_done_with_new_album_says_kirk_hammett.html)

I love their pic for the news  :P

(https://cdn.ustatik.com/article/news/2/35612_ver1428929705.jpg)

I wonder if they just don't include Kirk much in the song-writing? Lars keeps saying they have like 20 songs written. Lol.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on April 13, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
I think Kirk has aged great considering the bandmate/s he's had to hang around. I'd say he's around 25% done with the new album and 75% done with Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 13, 2015, 08:25:17 AM
People on the Metallica board are speculating that either they're being deliberately obtuse or Lars means they are finished *writing* whilst Kirk means they're 30% done with the entire process - including tracking through release.

Kirk didn't say they were 30% done *writing*.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 13, 2015, 08:31:03 AM
posted on Apr 13, 2015 08:58 am  #
Maybe not, but it definitely will be if they try to pretend they're just coming off ...And Justice For All again. Death Magnetic was so forced.

+2
 Sebo
posted on Apr 13, 2015 10:05 am  #
Please enlight us with your riffs and songwritting that are better then what is on Death Magnetic.




Worst argument ever. Nothing you could write could possibly be better than Metallica because you're not Metallica.

Because Metallica only write Solid Gold Grade A material 100% of the time! ::)

I read once "Every thing Metallica does is 10/10. Even Lulu because it's still METALLICA \m/"

There's being a fan and then there's rabid obsession.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 13, 2015, 09:36:21 AM
Fanboyism to that extreme level is always the worst type of fans, no matter what band or artist it is. They act like its a heresy to say something even remotely negative about one band. It's especially annoying when people try to praise the whole discography and say shit like "Even their worst album is still better than 95% of the music out there", which doesn't come off as praise, but rather them sounding ignorant because they probably have a very limited music taste. Sure, some bands have better discographies than others, but at least try to have some nuances to how you view things, even things you like. I feel passionate about some bands in the same way other people does, but that still doesn't mean I can't prefer one album over the other or have negative things to say. There's several bands that I really love who have had plenty of misfires, and it's honestly no big deal.

But speaking of a new Metallica album, I wish I could care at this point, but I honestly don't. I was a huge fan back around 2006-2008, but after getting basically nothing since then, and Death Magnetic being a major disappointment (and my least favorite Metallica album by far, which is saying something in a discography with St. Anger), I just don't feel much interest in it. Some things doesn't change, other things change. Metallica have tried so hard to stay relevant and be that same band they were in the 80s, and they even released an album desperately clinging onto their former selves. While I liked what Metallica was, I can say that I am not the same person that I was those years ago, so it would probably require something fresh and exciting for me to get interested in a new album. Another re-hashed "glory to the 80s" album will just sound tired & forced as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on April 13, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
So not particularly meaningful, but I just realized that this has been the longest stretch they've ever had between new albums. Also, that they released their first four albums in a shorter span of time than the span between Death Magnetic and the followup.
I remember reading years ago that basically, James would rather they record way more often, but that 'other band members' (Lars) kind of keep that from happening. It's a bit of a shame if that's true. I think a slightly quicker pace with album releases, especially if some of the band members want it, could give their writing a bit of momentum, and would let them try out more things without the burden of expectation that comes with releasing one album every half decade or so.
Also, the fact that Rob has been in the band for, what, twelve years? And he's only recorded one Metallica album with them? That's a bit nuts.

As for how eager I am for new Metallica, I'd say that I'm not necessarily on the edge of my seat, but I'll certainly check it out with some interest when they actually get around to releasing it.

Admittedly, because of when I started listening to the band, I feel like I have weird Metallica opinions as far as what I think of past material. Obviously I really like the classic albums, but then with their later output, I'm able to just see that as separate eras and enjoy it for what it is. Load and Reload are obviously very different from what they were doing in the '80s, but I find I'm able to approach them knowing that, and I think there's a lot to like there. It may actually help that, before hearing them for the first time, everything I'd heard about them was extremely negative. So when I actually gave them a listen, and it was just a very different style, a lot of the material exceeded my expectations.

Heck, even with St. Anger I feel like there's a decent album buried in there somewhere, and that a few tweaks with arrangement and production would do wonders.

With Death Magnetic, I like it overall, but the production just isn't there. You either have the brickwalled version that sounds like garbage, or the more dynamic version that, while better, lacks a bit of punch. For lack of a better explanation, I find that Death Magnetic sounds like a demo tape. Like "Hey, there's some good stuff on here. I can't wait to hear the finished product! What? ... Oh...".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 13, 2015, 10:14:31 AM

+2
 Sebo
posted on Apr 13, 2015 10:05 am  #
Please enlight us with your riffs and songwritting that are better then what is on Death Magnetic.




Worst argument ever. Nothing you could write could possibly be better than Metallica because you're not Metallica.


I hate this argument so much. So fucking stupid. Especially with movies. "Let's see your movie". Piss off. Did Roger Ebert make movies? No he didn't. Shut the fuck up. People don't seem to know what critiquing is. I have no musical talent, but that doesn't mean I don't know when someone is playing a guitar sloppily, or when an actor isn't that great or horrible even. I don't need acting skills to point out that Jayden Smith is a shitty actor.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on April 13, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
I just realized that Metallica's last album is barely 2 years older than Tool's last album. Sure, Tool hasn't been on tour as much as Metallica, or has released any live album or something like Gods of Summer and... Well... Lulu; but it's still a long time coming and their DM material has slowly gotten a bit stale. I don't want to hear Day that Never Comes and/or Cyanide ever again in a concert or Live DVD, for God's sake.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 14, 2015, 04:30:35 AM
It's so weird. After Death Magnetic was so popular and they restored a lot of faith in people after St. Anger - they went on a highly successful world tour and.......





.... They just let all that momentum and renewed interest in the band just... ebb away...and the band just ground to a halt.



When they should have taken a year off - then taken two years and made another album.


Someone else said it - but it's mad that Trujillo joined in 2003 and he's only done ONE studio album of

original Metallica material. Crazy.



Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 16, 2015, 02:43:58 AM
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/1505170_1567017953555047_5954013483603704762_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=c56fafb01470fc38931f83946e2ce4f9&oe=55A3791A&__gda__=1440288674_42a370c4ccf90983b12dc885fe3ec93b)





I made a playlist of all the "ballady" songs from the Loads. They should do something like this instead of trying to write another And Justice for All
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 16, 2015, 04:35:29 AM
I don't mind a mix of both, but the most important thing is that they write something from the heart. That's what mostly killed Death Magnetic for me, it didn't feel genuine. It didn't feel like "this is the album we want to make", but rather it felt like "this is the album the fans want to hear". I remember people talking about Load and ReLoad and Metallica "selling out" with those albums, but I think that's wrong. They tried something different, they tried doing whatever they wanted to do at that time, and like it or hate it, that's a reason for making an album that I can support. But making an album that feels almost exclusively like a nod to the fans, an album that doesn't feel like it's coming from the heart, that's selling out to me.

It didn't help that Death Magnetic had one of the worst productions ever. Boy, talk about a flat-sounding record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 17, 2015, 04:44:39 AM
Metallica are proof that the biggest bands on the planet can still have the worst sounding albums.

Also with modern technology - you can get better sounding albums from home recording gear than in a big studio.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 17, 2015, 10:29:35 AM
Listened through a few songs from Justice For Jason.


Made me really wanna pick up mah bass.


But instead I went to bed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 17, 2015, 12:01:27 PM
:JayOctavarium:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Deathless on April 19, 2015, 10:07:26 AM
So Kirk was on Jamey Jasta's podcast this week. Jamey asked him something about Halloween and Kirk mentioned that Metallica would likely be in the studio recording then... So we're looking at an early 2016 release for new music? Pretty crazy that it will have been 8 years at that point.  :o
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 19, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
Late 2016 I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 19, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
Late 2016 I'd imagine.


Early 2017
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 19, 2015, 12:16:21 PM
Late 2016 I'd imagine.


Early 2017

Who cares ;D. The next mastodon and Dream Theater albums will be out before their album and will both be better. :cool:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on April 19, 2015, 12:17:38 PM
Their new album will be delayed so that they can focus on their "Death Magnetic 10th Anniversary Tour" first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 19, 2015, 02:49:21 PM
lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 19, 2015, 09:45:15 PM
https://loudwire.com/metallica-kirk-hammett-admits-losing-phone-250-musical-ideas (https://loudwire.com/metallica-kirk-hammett-admits-losing-phone-250-musical-ideas)


 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 19, 2015, 10:16:49 PM
Why does anyone still follow this band?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 19, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
Why does anyone still follow this band?

For the same reason The Simpsons is still going despite not having a single good season this millennium - coasting on the strength of their old material / nostalgia. And they're still a very enjoyable live band despite half of the band being not particularly great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on April 20, 2015, 12:14:54 AM
I like their music. 

:dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 20, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
I like their music too. Just not so much the little music they've released in the past 15 years. I still went to see them live a few years ago, and it was a great show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 20, 2015, 04:25:56 AM
Why does anyone still follow this band?

For the same reasons people still follow DT, or believe that a new Tool album is actually coming, or like Blob said, people still watching Simpsons. Sometimes people are determined and don't want to give up. I definitely give some bands a pass despite really not being anything particular anymore, and it's like being a beaten housewife going back to an abusive husband. But that's the kind of determination you sometimes have as a fan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on April 20, 2015, 04:28:05 AM
Because it's impossible that people actually like the recent output of bands like DT and Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on April 20, 2015, 06:23:07 AM
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 20, 2015, 06:37:26 AM
Why does anyone still follow this band?

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 20, 2015, 07:02:50 AM
Why does anyone still follow this band?


Schadenfreude.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 20, 2015, 07:23:27 AM
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol

It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 20, 2015, 08:26:25 AM
Why does anyone still follow this band?

Because they're still the greatest heavy metal band on the planet. Load, ReLoad, and St. Anger aren't that bad, Death Magnetic is great, and they're incredible live even with all of them in their 50's.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on April 20, 2015, 09:39:15 AM
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol

It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P

Anybody who follows DT and Metallica is like somebody in an abusive relationship? Ok.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on April 20, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol

It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P
It's not cynical, it's patronising.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 20, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol

It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P

Anybody who follows DT and Metallica is like somebody in an abusive relationship? Ok.

That's not really what I was saying. I think fanboys in general no matter what band we're talking about has a weak spot for something and might be overly forgiving to a dip in quality. For me, Metallica and DT are bands that have their good albums over a decade ago. For others, it might be other bands.

Whether you wanna call it nostalgia goggles or patronizing, I think it's something that applies to a lot of people. Opinions will always be opinions, but the way we form those opinions might sometimes be biased on other factors.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 20, 2015, 12:28:46 PM
Why does anyone still follow this band?

For the same reasons people still follow DT, or believe that a new Tool album is actually coming, or like Blob said, people still watching Simpsons. Sometimes people are determined and don't want to give up. I definitely give some bands a pass despite really not being anything particular anymore, and it's like being a beaten housewife going back to an abusive husband. But that's the kind of determination you sometimes have as a fan.

Dream Theater had 2 1/2 hiccups. Metallica haven't released a decent album since Load. Well, half of Load. That was almost 20 years ago. I'm a "singles" Tool fan, so that doesn't pertain to me. Opinions of course, but DT still release music consistently and although not all of it is the tits, they still produce some gems.

Why does anyone still follow this band?
Because they're still the greatest heavy metal band on the planet.

Just because MTV shoved that down our throats doesn't make it true. Do they put on a good show? Sure, but they also can barely play their instruments anymore. The "greatest heavy metal band of all time" shouldn't be sloppy as fuck live and not be able to play shit they wrote 30 years ago that they've played over a thousand times.

My initial question can apply to Tool as well.

When the good music stops, I stop. There's plenty of the old stuff to listen to, all timeless. I stopped following The Offspring because they stopped making good music over 10 years ago. Old Metallica is great, but when they are constantly doing the shit they're doing with these "updates", why bother anymore?

And opinions and all that, but St. Anger is awful as is Death Magnetic. St. Anger was only made slightly enjoyable when those guys re-recorded it and cut out all the bullshit. Unfortunately the awful lyrics were still there. Death Magnetic was completely forgettable. ReLoad has one good song, and and it's the one everyone hates: Fuel.


And this a Metallica thread, so before anyone comes in with the whole "if you don't care, why are you here" bit, I've already said I like old Metallica. I couldn't help but read what was posted, but that doesn't mean I still follow the band. I simply roll my eyes and move on. I couldn't give 2 shits about a new Metallica album.

In fact, the only thing I care about right now, and really it's just curiosity is how the Ride The Lightning remaster is going to sound, but who knows if that's even going to happen. Clearly these guys don't really give a fuck. They're Metallica so they don't get deadlines. Any other band that tried to pull the shit they do would have been dropped from the label already. Or are they independent now?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 20, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
They're on their own label now and Reload has several good songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 20, 2015, 12:55:07 PM
Good songs for curing insomnia.

(https://37.media.tumblr.com/5c87f4dcd689474a5b5247fd1f53ae1e/tumblr_mlj6ptSLlo1rp0vkjo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on April 22, 2015, 12:13:59 PM
Sure, but they also can barely play their instruments anymore.

Come on, don't be silly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WDADU on April 23, 2015, 01:39:21 AM
James is always on.
Rob is always on.
Kirk is hit-or-miss.
Lars is...  :mehlin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 24, 2015, 05:57:14 PM
James is always on.
Rob is always on.
Kirk is hit-or-miss.
Lars is...  :mehlin

If Lars would stop using his china as a ride he would be much better. I love china cymbals but the way he uses it is overkill. Kirk also needs to lay off the wah. It's fine when he uses it in solos that already have it like Enter Sandman but it ruins solos like Creeping Death. And as you said, James and Rob are always spot on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 25, 2015, 03:34:50 AM
It was really only after St Anger he started going nuts on the china ride hey?  I don't mind it too much, I think it suits a lot of the songs
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 25, 2015, 05:15:03 AM
I've probably said this before but drum sound aside - Lars' playing on St Anger is easily his best since

Puppets / Justice. Watch the rehearsal DVD. He's playing the shit out of his kit and actually being quite

creative. WTF happened in 2004 is a mystery...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 25, 2015, 05:57:08 AM
Yeah, agreed.  The rehearsal thing is the best thing about that album, aside from SKOM which I think is an excellent documentary
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on April 25, 2015, 10:04:57 AM
Why does anyone still follow this band?

Why does anyone still follow The Rolling Stones?  (that one is lost to me)  A true fan, like a true friend, sticks with them during the bad times.  DM was a great return to form for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 25, 2015, 10:10:06 AM
So what is everyone's favourite Met album for getting pumped? Mine used to be Ride, but I've found that Justice makes my bike ride home a lot faster.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 25, 2015, 11:47:26 AM
MOP but AJFA is still my fave overall. MOP just has this scorching energy on Battery, MOP, DH, and DI.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 25, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Metallica post 2000 should be made into a study of " How not to succeed in the music business " or something.

• Not allowing a bass player to write music for the group or have any side projects thus giving him no creative output.

• Getting a documentary crew in to film you having a inter-band breakdown over 2 years.

• During which time you scramble to put together an album which is not only a shadow of your former selves but is widely regarded as one of the worst metal albums

ever.

• Releasing an extremely avant-garde experimental album that almost nobody enjoys.

• Staging not one but two eponymous festivals that only lose money.

• Releasing a 3D concert / narrative movie that isn't satisfactory on either level.

• Taking 7 + years to release a follow up to an album widely regarded as a return to form.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 25, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
So what is everyone's favourite Met album for getting pumped? Mine used to be Ride, but I've found that Justice makes my bike ride home a lot faster.

Despite Master of Puppets being my favorite album of all time, I would pick Black Album as the one that pumps me up, and specifically Sad But True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 25, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
SBT :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 25, 2015, 02:03:40 PM
SBT :metal

EASILY a top 3 Metallica song. The tempo is perfect on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on April 25, 2015, 07:55:57 PM
James is always on.
Rob is always on.
Kirk is hit-or-miss.
Lars is...  :mehlin
James is great. Can't blame him for injuring his vocal cords in '90.
Rob is better than Jason but doesn't have the stage energy that the Newkid had. He's great too, though.
Kirk is a bit lazy with the wah. OK, a lot lazy with the wah. At least he's a better player now than in the end of the 90's.
Lars is awful. Just plain awful right now. Seriously how hard is to get Dave Lombardo or someone else to play the drums? He can play the last 3 songs if he wants to and tour with them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 25, 2015, 08:35:51 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/loudness_wars_metallica_is_officially_the_loudest_band_of_all_time.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 25, 2015, 08:57:12 PM
If Lars hears about this, he's going to take it as a compliment. Just watch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 26, 2015, 07:24:41 AM
Replace Lars with Portnoy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 26, 2015, 08:45:46 AM
Replace Lars with Portnoy.

I want Portnoy in Megadeth. Not Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 26, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
Replays Kirk with Mustaine.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 26, 2015, 11:17:30 PM
Replace Lars with Portnoy.

I want Portnoy in Megadeth. Not Metallica.

I want Portnoy in DT.

Replays Kirk with Mustaine.

:D tbh I never thought Mustaine could be that good a fit in Metallica, at least solos wise.  It'd be interesting to see how he would've approached solos in later albums had he been around.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 27, 2015, 07:09:13 AM
Seek and Destroy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5m_8HuEBI4)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 27, 2015, 08:24:30 AM
Seek and Destroy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5m_8HuEBI4)

That was one of the coolest covers I've ever heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 27, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
Brilliant.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2015, 01:16:16 AM
Love the eggshaking chops!  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2015, 09:45:21 AM
Listening to Death Magnetic.

Yes I know it's bloated and it's brickwalled but I still love it.


I just have to make sure to turn the volume down during the opening to That Was Just Your Life and I'm set :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
*tiny heartbeat noise*

:) Bit quiet - i'll turn it up....

DUN !!! DUH DUH DUN DUN !!!!

:dangerwillrobinson: ITS OK. I DIDNT LIKE HEAVING EARDRUMS ANYWAY.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
*tiny heartbeat noise*

:) Bit quiet - i'll turn it up....

DUN !!! DUH DUH DUN DUN !!!!

:dangerwillrobinson: ITS OK. I DIDNT LIKE HEAVING EARDRUMS ANYWAY.
:rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 28, 2015, 11:51:30 AM
The good parts on Death Magnetic pretty much start and end with That Was Just Your Life.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2015, 12:02:47 PM
The good parts on Death Magnetic pretty much start and end with That Was Just Your Life.

Yes. With Garage Inc Disc 1 production that song would be amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on April 28, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
Death Magnetic is a good album with bafflingly terrible production.

Like, even on non-brickwalled versions (the Guitar Hero version and such), it feels like it's just missing a certain something. I think I said this earlier, but in my opinion, it sounds like a demo.
I would be legitimately interested to see what Death Magnetic would sound like with better production work. Like, if the exact same material had been recorded in the same way as Ride the Lightning, or the Black Album, how would it have been received?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 28, 2015, 12:42:16 PM
Death Magnetic is a good album with bafflingly terrible production.

Like, even on non-brickwalled versions (the Guitar Hero version and such), it feels like it's just missing a certain something. I think I said this earlier, but in my opinion, it sounds like a demo.
I would be legitimately interested to see what Death Magnetic would sound like with better production work. Like, if the exact same material had been recorded in the same way as Ride the Lightning, or the Black Album, how would it have been received?

Production and sound might be a big villain, but I still think it would have been disappointing. Most of the songs just feels like they threw 40 riffs into the mix and wrote a song out of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2015, 01:35:49 PM
The songwriting on DM was a huge step up from Saint Anger. If they can step up by the same amount on the next album it could be great.


Although Lords Of Summer isn't exactly Master Of Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 28, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
The songwriting on DM was a huge step up from Saint Anger. If they can step up by the same amount on the next album it could be great.


Although Lords Of Summer isn't exactly Master Of Puppets.

We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2015, 02:12:48 PM
Even if the next album is Death Magnetic part 2 but with the production of Ronnie Rising - that will be somewhat of a victory.

I think that's the best we can hope for at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on April 28, 2015, 05:00:08 PM
We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.

We will never get another Kill Em All  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on April 28, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.

We will never get another Kill Em All  :P

Amen, brother.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2015, 07:13:15 PM
We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.

We will never get another Kill Em All  :P

Good
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
Production and sound might be a big villain, but I still think it would have been disappointing.

Agreed. I only listen to the GHIII version of DM, which sounds good (it lacks some punch, and it's raw sounding, but it's still refreshing to listen to after most modern albums), so that only accounts for part of the albums failings. The songwriting is contrived and bloated. I think the album has a lot of great ideas on it, but most of the songs have sections that drag them down, and a lot of the ideas needed further refining.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 29, 2015, 02:53:54 AM
Too bad this band has lost the plot in such a bad, bad baaaaaaadd way. I mean make some bad decisions along the way, ok, but at each and every turn? I say muzzle Lars and Kirk, grow a fucking spine!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 29, 2015, 06:30:26 AM
^ I agree 110%. They haven't made one good decision since the year 2000.

As I've listed earlier in this thread. They stopped making great albums *at least* 15 years ago depending on how you feel about the Loads...

( I like them and think they're under-appreciated )

It seems that Jason was the one keeping them together because since he left they can't do a thing right it seems.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Pappy on April 29, 2015, 08:35:24 AM
They've made a few good decisions. Getting Rob on bass,  The idea to release a SBD recording of every gig. The you never know what you are going to hear setlists (more so during the album tour not summer festival tours), the Fillmore gigs. They are doing things many top bands don't do...is it hurting the music though? Maybe, maybe not.

One thing I think DM suffered from was no layered vocals. Just took the punch out of the vocals. Also there is the problem, which was a similar issue with SA, that being many songs feel cut and pasted. All the riffs were good. It's just they didn't always seem to fit where they were.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on April 29, 2015, 03:04:31 PM
I think All Nightmare Long and My Apocalypse are classics as far as songs go (not production, though it doesn't bother me).  I love the changing of riffs and speeds of the album. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 29, 2015, 03:05:27 PM
That Was Just Your Life. All Nightmare Long & The Day That Never Comes are all great songs ruined by production and tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on April 29, 2015, 10:22:49 PM
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass.   Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason.  He's just a freakin BEAST.   

In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL  But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 30, 2015, 08:02:01 AM
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass.   Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason.  He's just a freakin BEAST.   

In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL  But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)

I got the reference as well. The problem with being the bassist of Metallica is that you'll always be living in the shadow of Cliff Burton. Jason came in at a bad time because James, Lars, and Kirk really should have taken more time off after the accident to heal. Instead, they went right back into it with Jason and never got a chance to put their heads in the right place. This lead to them treating Jason like it was his fault. They tormented him and limited his creative input from the moment he joined to the moment he quit. It's a shame because Blackened and My Friend of Misery are amazing songs. With Rob, they had time to recover after Jason quit and James' stint in rehab gave him a clearer perspective of things. Metallica realized their mistakes from last time and unlike Jason, Rob is treated like a full member and a friend. Still, the issue of living up to Cliff remains, but I think both have held their own in that regard. I feel that Jason's stage presence worked better for Metallica and he was the best backup vocalist they ever had, but Rob's playing style is a much better fit. Hopefully the next album (whenever they decide to finish it) will have production that doesn't wreck the songs so that we can get a studio effort that allows us to appreciate Rob even more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2015, 08:18:49 AM
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass.   Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason.  He's just a freakin BEAST.   

In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL  But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)

Hey, no disrespect to Curt Warner please, from a PSU alumn  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 02, 2015, 12:34:28 AM
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass.   Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason.  He's just a freakin BEAST.   

In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL  But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)

Hey, no disrespect to Curt Warner please, from a PSU alumn  :biggrin:

None intended.  Curt was our first "star"...it's just that most modern fans don't remember him anymore, and that's a shame.   I can't begin to tell you how much joy and elation he broght to this team. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 02, 2015, 12:53:15 AM
Ground Chuck ITT
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 10, 2015, 12:58:18 AM
Watching the Rock in Rio Vegas stream atm.  Crowd has been more than ready for this.  Also, they just started friken played King Nothing.  I was hoping they played a song that I hadn't heard in the other three live streams I watched last year.  I got it here.

https://screen.yahoo.com/live/event/rock-in-rio-usa-rock-weekend-day-two

I'm just going to list the setlist as I go.

Fuel
Master of Puppets
King Nothing
Disposable Heroes
Welcome Home (Sanitarium) with a Kirk solo as a prelude.
Lords of Summer (Don't know why they are playing it now, but at least, they are playing it in the US the 1st time).
The Unforgiven
Cyanide (I don't mind this track and all, but do they have to play at every live stream as the token Death Magnetic song?  I wouldn't mind something like All Nightmare Long or That Was Just Your Life.)
Sad But True
Turn The Page with a Rob solo as prelude (I don't mind this one.  Haven't heard it on a stream I watched yet.)
One (I miss it when they do the heavy pyro before the song.  I guess with all the people in the background, which I don't know why they are there, it's a no go.)
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Blackened
Nothing Else Matters with another Kirk solo before it
Enter Sandman

Whiskey In The Jar (I think they teased a little with bits of the intro of The Frayed Ends of Sanity.  I wouldn't been all "No way, they are going to play it here," if they actually did play it.)
Creeping Death (Crowd reaction is not as strong here.  Could have been a lot stronger if it was at the intro though for sure.)
Seek & Destroy (Never in doubt as the closer)

Well, overall, it's a little over two hour Metallica show.  Of course, it's good.  I thought if they give me one song that I did not hear in the other three live streams I watched (Rock AM Ring, Glastonbury, Blizzcon), I would be happy.  They gave me three, so I'm pleased with the overall result.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2015, 03:35:49 AM
It's funny how 95% of the Metallica setlist has been the same songs since 2003 or so, with a few songs being switched around. If I saw that setlist, I would probably consider King Nothing a highlight, because it's at least slightly rare.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 10, 2015, 09:46:13 AM
It's funny how 95% of the Metallica setlist has been the same songs since 2003 or so, with a few songs being switched around. If I saw that setlist, I would probably consider King Nothing a highlight, because it's at least slightly rare.

Well Metallica will never play a show without Master of Puppets, For Whom the Bell Tolls, One, Seek and Destroy, Enter Sandman, Sad But True, or Nothing Else Matters. Fuel and Creeping Death are also almost always played. They usually play 18 songs. So with the above songs accounted for, that leaves room for 10 songs to be shuffled. When they play something from Death Magnetic, it's either Cyanide or All Nightmare Long. The only song they really play from St. Anger anymore is Frantic. Blackened, The Unforgiven, Ride the Lightning, Fade to Black, Welcome Home (Sanitarium), Hit the Lights, and The Four Horsemen will sneak their way in from time to time and if you're lucky (like I was at the Yankee Stadium Big 4 show) you'll get Orion. The difference between Metallica and a band like Dream Theater is that Metallica has actual "hits" that the fans expect to hear. DT fans are spoiled in terms of the rotating setlist (see the general disappointment because of the static setlist). I will say that the four times that I have seen them, I have gotten a rare gem (And Justice For All, Orion, Escape's live premiere along side The Call of Ktulu, My Friend of Misery).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
What do YOU Want from a new Metallica album ?

• No Forced Thrash.
• Just Great Songs - I'd much rather they just write and keep all the best ideas rather than shoving 10 riffs in a song and playing it as fast as they can.
• Great Production - for their first album of the 21st century that's actually listenable.
• Composed solos from Kirk - no more play whatever nonsense. you're not Kerry King.
• Vocal harmonies - These were sorely missed on Death Magnetic. They always make James voice sound better.
• Another instrumental would be good but it has to be better than Suicide & Redemption.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
I don't know. I still think their classic albums are truly great, but after St. Anger and especially Death Magnetic, I have kinda thrown in the towel on the band. They will probably make another album, and it might create some buzz, but I would still be hesitant. If it came out and got huge praise with nothing but good comments, with fans and critics alike praising it as one of the best albums of the year, then I would probably check it out, but otherwise I feel pretty hesitant.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 10, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
I want them to retire.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
I want them to retire.

They should have done in 1999 after S&M. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 10, 2015, 02:09:57 PM
I want them to retire.

They should have done in 1999 after S&M. 

That would have been a great send off. They were still pretty tight back then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2015, 02:20:36 PM
I don't know what kind of rep S&M has among the Metallica fans, because I got into it (and the band) before I found out about message boards, but I think it's pretty darn awesome. I haven't listened to it in ages, but the band tried something different and it worked. I can imagine a lot of metalheads complaining that the orchestra made the songs "gayass", but as someone who doesn't care about how "metal" something is, I say bravo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on May 10, 2015, 03:03:27 PM
I don't know what kind of rep S&M has among the Metallica fans, because I got into it (and the band) before I found out about message boards, but I think it's pretty darn awesome. I haven't listened to it in ages, but the band tried something different and it worked. I can imagine a lot of metalheads complaining that the orchestra made the songs "gayass", but as someone who doesn't care about how "metal" something is, I say bravo.

I really loved S&M when it came out (still do). And yes, I also remember a metalhead saying to me that Metallica with an orchestra was 'freaking gay'. When I asked him to explain his opinion, he couldn't come up with a single argument as to why that would be gay. Some people are so incredibly close-minded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 10, 2015, 04:10:15 PM
Everyone I knew was balls deep about it when it came out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2015, 04:15:57 PM
I always really enjoyed that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 10, 2015, 04:24:06 PM
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2015, 05:06:44 PM
I recall S&M being a huge hit when it was released amonst my group of friends and amongst what was seen as the gerneal consensus from my memory. I also still love it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 10, 2015, 06:07:58 PM
I have it, but I'm not sure I have ever listened to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 10, 2015, 10:28:56 PM
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.

One of the few songs on the album that turned out magnificently. Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me. Metal and orchestras can go together really well, but the individual styles just didn't work together in this case, at least on the thrashier stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 11, 2015, 12:26:56 AM
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.
Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me.
Pretty much how I felt when I heard S&M for the first time.
They didn't blend very well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Lynxo on May 11, 2015, 04:12:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ)

I'm not sure of newthis James Hetfield interview is, but I found it really interesting. More about him as a human being and guitar player and less about Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 11, 2015, 08:02:30 AM
I loved the idea of S&M....but it didn't fulfill it's promise...alas.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 11, 2015, 11:20:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ)

I'm not sure of newthis James Hetfield interview is, but I found it really interesting. More about him as a human being and guitar player and less about Metallica.

I can listen to James Hetfield playing riffs for the rest of my life. He always talks about music with such passion and you can really hear that passion in his playing. He is so down to earth and you can tell that he truly loves what he does and is so grateful for the life he has.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 28, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
I just found this, but maybe someone already posted it sometime ago. Anyway, it's basically how St. Anger could've sounded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-UI3_6HcM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on May 28, 2015, 12:31:45 PM
Totally loved that Hetfield interview. What an inspiring dude.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 28, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
I just found this, but maybe someone already posted it sometime ago. Anyway, it's basically how St. Anger could've sounded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-UI3_6HcM

This just proves what I've said all along.   St. Anger is an AWESOME album lost in a terrible production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 28, 2015, 04:58:56 PM
Definitely sounds thicker and heavier, but still doesn't change the fact that the songs are awful, IMO. Production wasn't the only problem with that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 28, 2015, 05:30:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ)

I'm not sure of newthis James Hetfield interview is, but I found it really interesting. More about him as a human being and guitar player and less about Metallica.

I can listen to James Hetfield playing riffs for the rest of my life. He always talks about music with such passion and you can really hear that passion in his playing. He is so down to earth and you can tell that he truly loves what he does and is so grateful for the life he has.

I've seen that one before but I rewatched and realised that the riff at 7:00 sounds a lot like Rhiannon by Fleetwood Mac.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 28, 2015, 11:13:05 PM
Definitely sounds thicker and heavier, but still doesn't change the fact that the songs are awful, IMO. Production wasn't the only problem with that album.

Bingo. It's still repetitive bloated crap for the most part. The few half decent songs actually sound better on the real album. Playing the songs with slightly better drum and guitar sound doesn't change a thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: CharlesPL on May 29, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 29, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
That's really cool indeed!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on May 29, 2015, 05:22:27 PM
Is 'St. Anger' a bad album because of the songwriting or because of the production?

My own truth is that both aren't really that great, but the one redeeming quality actually IS the production. I can totally dig that for some reason. I still blast the album once in a while. It's fun for about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 29, 2015, 06:02:24 PM
Sweet!!! Metal Militia, Disposable Heroes and The Unforgiven II??

And they also didn't end with Seek & Destroy!  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 30, 2015, 01:27:42 AM
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html

Damn.  Unforgiven II?  Frayed Ends of Santity?  Damage Inc.?  I wish I heard those on the live stream of Rock in Rio.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 30, 2015, 01:52:22 AM
Is 'St. Anger' a bad album because of the songwriting or because of the production?

My own truth is that both aren't really that great, but the one redeeming quality actually IS the production. I can totally dig that for some reason. I still blast the album once in a while. It's fun for about 5 minutes.

St Anger production is a choice. The mastering is actually alright. I love the vibe of St Anger despite the clangy snare sound.

Death Magnetic is just fucked up. The guitars are thin - there's no vocal harmonies and the audio is distorted.

It's much easier to listen to the CD of St. Anger than it is to listen to the CD of Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on May 30, 2015, 08:50:01 AM
Not if you have one of the GH mixes of DM instead of the released album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html
I'll be ordering that show from Live Metallica. Wonder what other surprises are in store for this tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 30, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
Not if you have one of the GH mixes of DM instead of the released album.


It's much easier to listen to the CD of St. Anger than it is to listen to the CD of Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 30, 2015, 11:15:37 AM
Not if you have one of the GH mixes of DM instead of the released album.


It's much easier to listen to the CD of St. Anger than it is to listen to the CD of Death Magnetic.

lol I caught that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2015, 03:16:42 PM
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html
I'll be ordering that show from Live Metallica. Wonder what other surprises are in store for this tour.

Mechanix live debut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 30, 2015, 03:29:42 PM
edit: nevermind, I came here to post the St. Anger fan re-recording but someone posted it a little while back. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on May 30, 2015, 03:40:44 PM
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.

One of the few songs on the album that turned out magnificently. Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me. Metal and orchestras can go together really well, but the individual styles just didn't work together in this case, at least on the thrashier stuff.

"One" and "Hero Of The Day" always stood out to me as the best songs on S&M
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
Can someone that collects Metallica Boots (video) please PM me? I'm looking for a show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 12, 2015, 03:03:27 PM
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.

One of the few songs on the album that turned out magnificently. Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me. Metal and orchestras can go together really well, but the individual styles just didn't work together in this case, at least on the thrashier stuff.

"One" and "Hero Of The Day" always stood out to me as the best songs on S&M

I think all the Load era songs sound way better on S&M.

And One is superb. Even if it is heavily edited in post. I don't care. S&M is a stunning album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 12, 2015, 03:33:59 PM
I agree for the most part.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 25, 2015, 04:43:15 PM
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/death-magnetic/id288958559    :eek

Death Magnetic has been remixed & remastered for iTunes !!

I'm cranking the 90 second previews on my monitors and it sounds GREAT !!!

p.s. Just to be sure I A/B 'd a track from the retail CD and the difference is NIGHT AND DAY.

I might have to get this. It's so punchy and so much clearer !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 25, 2015, 04:46:48 PM
Oh man - this is how the album should have sounded from the beginning :o
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on June 25, 2015, 05:13:15 PM
When something is remixed for iTunes, what exactly are they doing?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 25, 2015, 05:14:33 PM
I'm not entirely sure but Death Magnetic definitely sounds better now and i may be imagining it but I think they've also turned up the bass on AJFA a bit more too ! :o
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 25, 2015, 09:27:16 PM
iTunes doesn't give any links for samples maybe because my life is happily iTunes free, but it's a great sign if they've recognized the issue with DM's sound and fixed it. The page doesn't appear to indicate it's anything different though. That's something I'd advertise!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on June 25, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
First of all, while it says Mastered for iTunes I am seeing nothing about a remix anywhere. As far as I know Death Magnetic has always been "Mastered for iTunes" on iTunes.

Second, nothing indicates this is a new release of the album. It says released in 2008, the description says nothing about it being new or remixed, and all of the reviews are from 2008.

Thirdly, and the final nail in the coffin (:neverusethis:)...the previews sound almost identical to the CD master anyway. There's maybe some slight EQ differences, the low end is a bit more pronounced for example, but it's the same dynamically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 26, 2015, 01:56:18 AM
As I said above - I A/B'd it with the same track from the retail CD and the iTunes version has way less distortion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on June 26, 2015, 02:32:51 AM
I can't see anything anywhere about a remaster. ???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 26, 2015, 03:00:12 AM
There's info around on the internet about it if you search, but it's not mentioned on the iTunes page at all. Not well advertised.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 26, 2015, 08:18:18 AM
I've always said that if they cleaned up Death Magnetic- they'd just put it out without much fanfare.

It's a way of not only getting a better version out there.

But they also don't have to admit there was anything wrong with it to begin with.

And they have.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on June 26, 2015, 08:44:51 AM
They must not have updated the Australian iTunes store yet (since that's what I am viewing), because I am 99% certain that besides a little more low end what I'm hearing is otherwise identical to the CD. (https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/shrug-1.gif~original) But I know this is legit because it is being talked about. I'll try to access another country's iTunes store tomorrow, or just wait.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 26, 2015, 10:07:48 AM
Well i've blasted it quite loud and I can definitely hear more detail that i've never heard before due to the thick layer of fuzz.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2015, 07:08:53 AM
I've always said that if they cleaned up Death Magnetic- they'd just put it out without much fanfare.

It's a way of not only getting a better version out there.

But they also don't have to admit there was anything wrong with it to begin with.

And they have.
Thing is, if they properly announced it, they'd probably get a shitload of sales.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 29, 2015, 08:37:12 AM
There's the logical thing to do.


And there's what Metallica do.


I'm sure word will get around anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 29, 2015, 08:40:38 AM
WWMD?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 29, 2015, 09:12:23 AM
When something is remixed for iTunes, what exactly are they doing?

there's a whole set of standards you can look up if you like, but the gist is that the mastering engineer uses some Apple plugins to test what the AAC conversion will sound like (and can thus adjust things if the compression artifacts are too pronounced). Apple also provides a droplet app to convert the files so the engineer can use Apple's tech to encode hi-res masters into AAC in a way that best preserves details. it often results in almost no audible difference but it's a handy marketing tool to sway audiophiles who are on the fence about lossy iTunes audio.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 29, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
WWMD?

WWLUD ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 29, 2015, 10:49:49 AM
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2015, 04:15:26 PM
Cool interview with Flemming Rasmussen
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/flemming_rasmussen_im_one_of_the_few_persons_who_heard_the_bass_tracks_on_justice_and_theyre_absolutely_killer.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 28, 2015, 03:25:38 PM
Hey Everyone !

Ever wanted to be a Metallica Club Member but couldn't afford it ?


Well today is your lucky day as they have revealed a brand new homepage with a 100% FREE METCLUB !!

I've just been browsing years of exclusive videos and photos and interviews etc.

www.metallica.com/metclub.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 28, 2015, 03:57:42 PM
Hey Everyone !

Ever wanted to be a Metallica Club Member but couldn't afford it ?


Well today is your lucky day as they have revealed a brand new homepage with a 100% FREE METCLUB !!

I've just been browsing years of exclusive videos and photos and interviews etc.

www.metallica.com/metclub.

I signed up as soon as I saw that it was free. I always wanted to join the MetClub but could never afford it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 28, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
SO much stuff to browse through......
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2015, 04:03:43 PM
Joined. Not something I would pay for. Ironically, I was watching some older Metallica vids on Youtube earlier today.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 29, 2015, 07:56:40 AM
Yep, I signed up yesterday and joined as well. Always thought about joining MetClub so now that its free its a no-brainer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 29, 2015, 09:55:38 AM
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.

Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on October 29, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.

Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.
Haha yeah I saw that, great banter. Anyway, free Metallica stuff, I'll take it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on October 29, 2015, 10:39:17 AM
Is anyone else reminded of Korn's debut S/T album when listening to St. Anger?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on October 29, 2015, 10:43:10 AM
Never had that thought, but I think I've only listened to St. Anger entirely once or twice, Korn on the other hand, atleast 20 times.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 29, 2015, 11:02:16 AM
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.

Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.

:lol callng themselves REAL fans because they pay to like Metallica. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 29, 2015, 11:23:57 AM
So Greg Fidelman is producing the new Metallica album.

He was the engineer on Death Magnetic and he also produced Slipknot's The Gray Chapter and

This : https://t.co/57LoX4tka0

He also produced the live audio on Through The Never - the Metallica concert movie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 29, 2015, 12:05:40 PM
So Greg Fidelman is producing the new Metallica album.

He was the engineer on Death Magnetic and he also produced Slipknot's The Gray Chapter and

This : https://t.co/57LoX4tka0

He also produced the live audio on Through The Never - the Metallica concert movie.

I didn't know it was confirmed he would be producing. Couldn't he simply be engineering for RR again just like on DM? Or did the band confirm otherwise?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 29, 2015, 12:38:37 PM
Well there's loads of HQ pics from this year. Greg is there but no Rick and nobody has said anything about Rick .

I know it's not saying much because Rick is never there but James confirmed it in the new So What!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 29, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Well there's loads of HQ pics from this year. Greg is there but no Rick and nobody has said anything about Rick .

I know it's not saying much because Rick is never there but James confirmed it in the new So What!

Haha yeah from the DM documentary it seemed that Greg was there all the time and Rick was hardly ever there... So I just didn't assume based on pics that's all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 05:26:45 AM
So according to Kirk - Lars and James are recording their parts at the moment and he is waiting to go in and record all of his parts after they're done.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on October 30, 2015, 06:42:42 AM
My expectations are about as low as they could be for this. What's the over/under that this comes out before or after Star Wars Episode 8?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on October 30, 2015, 06:52:10 AM
I think I read somewhere that Kirk said the new album is going to be along the lines of Death Magnetic, probably having to do with them having the same producer they had for DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 07:01:12 AM
I think I read somewhere that Kirk said the new album is going to be along the lines of Death Magnetic, probably having to do with them having the same producer they had for DM.

Actually it's the engineer. He's now producing because they clearly got along with him more than Rick.


And RE : release - they've been tracking for a few months now. So I'll be *shocked* if this doesn't come out in late 2016.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 30, 2015, 07:18:37 AM
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.

Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.

I'm a long time fan club member but I'm extremely ecstatic with the change, basically cause nothing makes me happier than seeing anyone with exclusive anything get crushed and whine about it. Back when I was big on bootleg collecting in the Metallica circuits I used to purposely make big trades to obtain one rare bootleg or another and then just put it in circulation right after.
I haven't been on the metclub page in a while, but yeah it's still as dull as I remember it, I only kept the membership for the meet and greet possibilities. All the videos on the page are from the 00's and beyond, why would anyone wanna see this bull shit is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 07:21:09 AM
Yeah I have no problem sharing something I paid for. Especially if it's something that's hard to get a hold of.

I'm interested in all the exclusive videos like Load and Reload recording sessions. I'd never seen some of this stuff before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2015, 10:17:32 AM
Brand new update on the MetClub.

Video shows James tracking guitar at HQ with Greg Fidelman there.

Also the band have posted that " they have a clear schedule through the first quart of 2016 to finish the album ".

Sounds promising. New album late 2016 most likely.

Tool ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 31, 2015, 10:36:35 AM
Still waiting on those remasters... Don't really care about a new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 31, 2015, 07:54:20 PM
Still waiting on those remasters... Don't really care about a new album.

I'll take a properly remixed/remastered version of AJFA over anything Metallica could crap out these days. A good remaster of the other thrash era albums would also be great, but I'm ok with the sound quality of the original releases.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 09:49:35 AM
I care more about a Metallica album than I do a TOOL album at this point.

Death Magnetic was a good album but over compressed. The iTunes remaster is so much more listenable. I can actually properly enjoy it now.

We already have a new Dream Theater CD in 2016 to look forward to. I'm also hoping for new Mastodon , Metallica and possibly Green Day. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2015, 11:13:55 AM
Death Magnetic was a good album.

It really is. Unfortunately it has to live up to this thing where it was this "return to the old days" style album. If they had released a couple albums since, it would be one in a line of solid releases. But for now it represents the only new material spanning a decade. That's a lot of weight to put on one album's shoulders.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 01, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
If Lords of Summer is any indication of how will the new songs will be, I'll pass. They finally sound like old men trying to be cool.

I'll always love old Metallica, but their time has passed IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 11:54:45 AM
I always thought that Load and ReLoad, just like the two Use Your Illusions albums could each have been scaled back to a single album.  I realize that it is not the best comparison, because the Illusion albums were released simultaneously and L & RL were released a year apart.  I'm always skeptical, though, when albums are released that close apart because it screams "B-sides and leftovers not good enough to make the album" to me, regardless of what bands claim about using mobile studios or recording between legs of tours.  It is much the same as bands' second albums often have a "sophomore slump," mainly because they partly (or mostly) consist of old songs that someone didn't deem were good enough to be put on the first album.

As far as Metallica's upcoming album, I wonder if they'll use a session "ghost" drummer for Lars, much like KISS did Anton Fig when Peter Criss could no longer play in the late seventies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 01, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
I kinda liked Lords of Summer, but it still just feels like a couple of riffs dumped together in one song, no real relisten value, so I don't hope it's an entire album full of Summerlords.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 12:08:21 PM
As for Load & Reload. All 27 songs were written and recorded at the same time but Reload wasn't completed until a year later.

All the drums for both albums were finished but guitar and vocals were added later to Reload.

So there's no "leftover crap" on Reload. If anything - the worse material is on Load.  Poor Twisted Me for example.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 01, 2015, 12:12:29 PM
IMO, Load is less consistent but has by far the best song out of both albums (Outlaw Torn).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 12:17:08 PM
My point was that if you took the handful of good songs from Load and the handful of good songs from ReLoad, you would have had one good album instead of two mediocre ones.  It still wouldn't have been as good as their best albums.  Perhaps more of the should have been b-sides and leftovers turned up on the first album instead of the second, but the net result is the same.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2015, 12:36:49 PM
I think I can pull 6 good songs out of the two combined.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:17:20 PM
If I had to make one album out of Load , Reload and the 3 new songs we got between Reload and Saint Anger :

1. Ain't My Bitch
2. 2x4
3. Devil's Dance
4. Hero Of The Day
5. Carpe Diem Baby
6. Bleeding Me
7. Wasting My Hate
8. Where The Wild Things Are
9. Mama Said
10. No Leaf Clover
11. Fixxxer
12. The Outlaw Torn

Something like that. 

The ballady songs from those albums are amongst the best of the bands' career.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 01, 2015, 01:19:21 PM
I like Load a lot more than ReLoad. Poor Twisted Me is awesome. Load has a few filler songs for me, but ReLoad has way more songs that I don't really care for.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2015, 01:20:02 PM
Mine would be an EP:

Ain't My Bitch
Fuel
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
The Outlaw Torn

Seriously those are the only songs I really like. I can live with Cure and 2x4, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
I like Load a lot more than ReLoad. Poor Twisted Me is awesome. Load has a few filler songs for me, but ReLoad has way more songs that I don't really care for.

In my opinion - Loads' lows are worse than Reload's lows. Reload gets more shit because it's the 2nd of a double album.

But I don't think Reload is as shit as System Of A Down's Hypnotize.

That really does sound like all the leftovers. ( At least to me anyway ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:29:38 PM
Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :

My Ten Would Be :

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 01, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
Reload has all the boring songs. Fuel and to a lesser extent Unforgiven II are the only ones I like. The Memory Remains would be alright without the old woman singing. About half of Load is really good, and it's pretty much all the singles. Only drawback to making a custom album is the different production of each.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:44:01 PM
I wouldn't say  Reload has *all* the boring songs. What about Ronnie, Poor Twisted Me, Cure ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 01:47:31 PM
I think I can pull 6 good songs out of the two combined.

I think I can pull about 10 songs out of it: (not ranked)

1. Until It Sleeps
2. King Nothing
3. Hero of the Day
4. Mama Said (for Southern Rock fans; also breaks up the monotomy)
5. Fuel
6. The Memory Remains (I can tolerate Marianne Faithful's voice for part of 1 song)
7. Devil's Dance
8.
9.
10.

All right, I was wrong.  If I grasp at straws I could put in "2x4" and "Ain't My Bitch," but I've now come to the conclusion that this bloated exercise in overindulgence has an EP's worth of good material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 01, 2015, 01:48:27 PM
I wouldn't say  Reload has *all* the boring songs. What about Ronnie, Poor Twisted Me, Cure ?
I like all of those. Comes down to taste, I guess.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 01, 2015, 01:48:46 PM
I wouldn't say  Reload has *all* the boring songs. What about Ronnie, Poor Twisted Me, Cure ?

Those wouldn't be on my custom album. Like I said, half of Load is good. I'll make my track list later, although I'm pretty sure I did this already in this very thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 01, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :

My Ten Would Be :

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
No Leaf Clover at 10?  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 01:57:50 PM
1. Seek and Destroy
2. Fade to Black
3. Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
4. One
5. Enter Sandman
6. Until It Sleeps
7. Fuel
8. (Nothing stands out from St. Anger at the moment.  Need to revisit.  Is there an emoji of someone having his teeth pulled?)
9. The Day That Never Comes is the leader in the clubhouse.  Need to revisit this album as well.

I'd probably throw in So What, just for the hell of it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 02:03:53 PM
Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :

My Ten Would Be :

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
No Leaf Clover at 10?  :'( :'( :'(


It's not a ranking. It's the songs i'd choose from each album with one bonus song from S&M or I Disappear.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on November 01, 2015, 05:30:36 PM
1. Seek and Destroy
2. Fade to Black
3. Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
4. One
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. Hero of the Day
7. The Unforgiven II
8. St. Anger
9. All Nightmare Long
10. No Leaf Clover


That was so not definite and for Ride, Master, Justice, and Load there are a good 3-4 songs I have at my top.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 01, 2015, 06:04:43 PM
1. Hit the Lights
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Damage Inc.
4. One
5. Enter Sandman
6. Wasting My Hate
7. The Memory Remains
8. Some Kind of Monster
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 01, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :

My Ten Would Be :

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
No Leaf Clover at 10?  :'( :'( :'(


It's not a ranking. It's the songs i'd choose from each album with one bonus song from S&M or I Disappear.
Ooooh gotcha!


1. The Four Horsemen
2. Fade to Black
3. Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
4. To Live is to Die
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Unforgiven II
8. St. Anger (honestly none if that was an option)
9. All Nightmare Long
10. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 01, 2015, 09:28:43 PM
01: The Four Horsmen/Metal Militia
02: Ride the Lightning/The Call of Ktulu
03: Master of Puppets/Welcome Home (Sanitarium)/Orion (Can't decide. My all time favorite album)
04: Blackened/...And Justice For All
05: Sad But True/My Friend of Misery
06: King Nothing
07: The Unforgiven II/Low Man's Lyric
08: Frantic
09: The Unforgiven III/Suicide & Redemption
10: No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 01, 2015, 11:26:19 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Orion/Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
4. One/The Frayed Ends of Sanity
5. Enter Sandman
6. Outlaw Torn
7. The Unforgiven II
8. My World/Some Kind of Monster
9. All Nightmare Long
10. No Leaf Clover


8. My World


 :tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 02, 2015, 01:59:00 AM
Hit the Lights
Ride The Lightning
Battery
One
Wherever I May Roam
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel
Some Kind of Monster
The End of the Line
No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2015, 01:59:37 AM

 :tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 02, 2015, 07:30:12 AM
Just watched the new MetClub video with the clip of James tracking guitars... It was really cool to see him tracking but you can't really hear much just a couple power chords and what sounds like a riff in the distance behind Lars talking. Encouraging to see them actually tracking though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 02, 2015, 07:54:26 AM

 :tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go'  is really cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 02, 2015, 11:27:17 AM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. The Call of Kthulu
3. Battery
4. Blackened
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. The Outlaw Torn (S&M Version even better)
7. Fixxxer
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes
10. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2015, 12:00:11 PM

 :tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go'  is really cool.

Too many riffs on that album are in the 0 - 3 - 5 progression.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on November 02, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Master of Puppets
4. One
5. Enter Sandman
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fuel
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes
10. No Leaf Clover

Something like that. It was close between Blackened/AJFA/One and The Day that Never Comes/That Was Just Your Life.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 02, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
1. Metal Militia
2. Escape
3. Orion
4. The shortest Straw
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. Until It Sleeps
7. The Memory Remains
8. Sweet Amber
9. Cyanide
10. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 02, 2015, 02:37:34 PM

 :tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!

it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.

In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go'  is really cool.

Too many riffs on that album are in the 0 - 3 - 5 progression.
Though I have learned a lot about music in the last year due to singing in a choir, taking singing lessons and piano lessons and having conversations with my uncle (who went to a music college) about music, I know what you mean but I haven't really noticed it before. Maybe it's because I haven't listened to the album in a while. But I believe you  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 03, 2015, 08:34:52 AM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Battery
4. One
5. Nothing Else Matters
6. Hero of the Day
7. Fixxxer
8. No Leaf Clover
9. Invisible Kid
10. Suicide & Redemption

OR

1. Hit the Lights
2. Fade to Black
3. Master of Puppets
4. Blackened
5. Through The Never
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fuel
8. I Disappear
9. Frantic
10. All Nightmare Long
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 03, 2015, 08:36:52 AM
I finally actually listened to the little studio snippet, and while it was only a teensy bit of actual music, I liked what I heard. It wasn't fast and thrashy, so that's a good start. If Metallica don't overextend themselves and bloat the songs, and do some vocal harmonies this time, they still have it in them to write a great album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on November 03, 2015, 02:43:15 PM
Quote from: Ultimate Guitar
Along the way, excited Lars revealed that renowned producer and studio engineer, Mr. Greg Fidelman, is a part of the recording process.

It remains unknown which exact position is Fidelman covering in the studio, but he's certainly there.

The man has already worked with the 'Tallica fold before, as an engineer/mixer on "Death Magnetic," and as a producer/engineer/mixer on the infamous "Lulu."

As for the remainder of Greg's career, the producer's work spans back to 1995. His first notable work was an engineering gig on System of a Down's 1998 self-titled debut.

Since then, he has worked with a vast array of musicians, delving both into areas of pop and crushing metal.

Fidelman's notable efforts as an engineer include Audioslave's self-titled debut from 2002, Jet's 2003 "Get Born," Black Sabbath's "13," and more.

As an engineer/mixer, Greg worked on Adele's "21," Red Hot Chili Peppers' "I'm With You," Slayer's "World Painted Blood," Johnny Cash's "American V: A Hundred Highways," Slipknot's "Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses," and more.

Finally, the man is credited as the producer of two quite notable recent releases in metal - Slipknot's ".5: The Gray Chapter," and Slayer's "Repentless." If he's handling production on the new Metallica release, these two albums could serve as the strongest indicators of the production type we should expect.

Wow, there couldn't have been a worse choice for the position of producer.  :facepalm:
At least half of those albums are infamously bad loudness war victims. How has Metallica not learned from the backlash to the sound of 'Death Magnetic'?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 03, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
Because he was merely engineer on those albums and guess who the Big Fat Beard in charge was ? Dick Rubin.

He recorded and produced their Ronnie James Dio cover " Ronnie Rising " which sounded great...

and this : https://t.co/11goyWgbm1 < - - - Orion Re-Recorded by Metallica.

Anyway - Metallica said they weren't there when they were approving mixes and are well aware of the clipping fiasco and i'd be shocked if it was that bad again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 03, 2015, 02:52:27 PM
I certainly hope the mix isn't going to be as bad as the mix on DM. We'll see.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 03, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
I certainly hope the mix isn't going to be as bad as the mix on DM. We'll see.

During the promo for Lords Of Summer they uploaded a pic of the wav form for the final mix and the caption was " NO CLIPPING ".


They know.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 03, 2015, 11:37:56 PM
That's good to hear  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on November 20, 2015, 04:37:07 PM
Wow, 30 years since "Ride the Lightning"?! That went quick.

https://www.guitarworld.com/metallicas-kirk-hammett-talks-ride-lightning-cliff-burton-and-benefits-taking-guitar-lessons-joe-satriani
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 20, 2015, 08:35:53 PM
That was a good read. For many years I'd hit a wall where I might read 5-10 Metallica interviews and not find out one meaningful new bit of info but that shit had a lot of insight. Thanks brah!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 20, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
Cool interview. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on November 20, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Wow, 30 years since "Ride the Lightning"?! That went quick.

https://www.guitarworld.com/metallicas-kirk-hammett-talks-ride-lightning-cliff-burton-and-benefits-taking-guitar-lessons-joe-satriani

Over 31 now.   In fact, I believe it was very close to this time of year 31 years ago when I purchased the album on the new release rack (because it had just been re-issued by Elektra Records that week).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2015, 08:23:28 AM
I love Kirk. I could listen to him talk all day long. His passion and regular guy persona feels real.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2015, 08:33:19 AM
:lol he sounds permanently baked to me. And stammers a lot and is unsure of what he's saying.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2015, 08:38:10 AM
:lol he sounds permanently baked to me. 

 :lol
That, he does!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on December 11, 2015, 12:09:46 PM
I've been going through their Discography for the first time in at least 5 years. Most of it has not aged well. Ride the Lightning through the Black Album are about as solid 4 album run any band could hope for. That being said Load and Reload have not aged well. Still feel those should have been a single album cutting the majority of filler tracks. Garage Inc is awesome but it's a cover album. St. Anger was St. Anger. Death Magnetic was ok but something seems to be missing. How a band could stay as popular as Metallica has after not putting out a truly solid album in 20+ years is beyond me. I was as big of Metallica fan as you could be at one point but the ridiculous amount of time it took the band to put out new material has turned me off from the band. I honestly feel that Metallica is one of the most overrated of the past 25 years. I get they were really good at one point but there really is no reason why they should still be considered "The Biggest Metal Band in the WORLD" any more. They should be known as "The Most FRUSTRATING Metal Band in the WORLD". Anyway, it was nice yet disappointing trip down memory lane. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 11, 2015, 09:26:01 PM
I get they were really good at one point but there really is no reason why they should still be considered "The Biggest Metal Band in the WORLD" any more. They should be known as "The Most FRUSTRATING Metal Band in the WORLD". Anyway, it was nice yet disappointing trip down memory lane. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

They are the biggest metal band in the world because they still draw crowds if they desire to play shows in any region that can host concerts.  They are the biggest headliners in any festivals they desire to play.  If they are in a festival bill, they are headlining and draw a big crowd, no question.  Are they greatest, today?  No, a lack of releasing quality albums in the 2000s has hindered that, imo, but the biggest does not always equal the greatest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 11, 2015, 11:40:26 PM
Best and greatest do not mean the same thing. No metal band has come anywhere close to having the success that Metallica has had. How many bands can say that everyone of their albums has gone platinum? How many can sell out arenas/stadiums no matter where they go? How many bands can say that there was a petition for them to play at the Super Bowl and have it get enough votes to actually be sent in? Even if the quality of music has declined, Metallica has maintained a level of success that is unique to their genre. That is why they are the greatest metal band in the world.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on December 12, 2015, 03:11:39 AM
Add to that, how many bands can say they performed in front of a live audience on all seven world continents?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 12, 2015, 09:32:21 AM
. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

I remember that story that they almost fired Lars in the 80s.....combining both "What ifs"......If Metallica consisted of James, Kirk, Cliff and some amazing metal drummer, then Metallica wouldn't even be the same band that they are now!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 12, 2015, 09:50:00 AM
. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?

I remember that story that they almost fired Lars in the 80s.....combining both "What ifs"......If Metallica consisted of James, Kirk, Cliff and some amazing metal drummer, then Metallica wouldn't even be the same band that they are now!

They most likely wouldn't have had the same success. One of the reasons that Cliff left his old band Trauma to join Metallica was because he felt that their sound was becoming too mainstream. He most likely would not have been on board with an album like Black Album. Also, Lars is the most knowledgeable member of the band in terms of business and marketing. He has always been the one out in public essentially selling the band to the world. Without him, they wouldn't have had the same exposure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on December 12, 2015, 10:00:39 AM
Also, Lars wasn't half as bad back in the 80s/early 90s as he is nowadays. He was very good back then, and very enjoyable to listen to/watch. The lazy ass clearly stopped practicing his instrument and became a joke of himself.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 12, 2015, 10:06:09 AM
Lars isn't THAT bad these days. Kirk is way worse.

https://youtu.be/vzgOBND2rcc?t=8m24s

This is pretty solid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 12, 2015, 02:53:35 PM
What if a genie granted me one wish in 1985 and I decided to disappear all current and future wah pedals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: chaossystem on December 12, 2015, 03:23:20 PM
1) Seek & Destroy
2) Creeping Death
3) The Thing That Should Not Be
4) Eye of the Beholder
5) My Friend of Misery (or The Unforgiven)
6) King Nothing
7) Bad Seed
8) No Leaf Clover (though I prefer the S & M version of For Whom the Bell Tolls or Of Wolf and Man)
9) I Dissapear (I know I could be wrong, but I think that's how it was originally spelled)
10) Frantic
11) Pride, Passion & Glory version of Broken, Beat & Scarred

Bonus Track: Through the Never version of Orion
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 12, 2015, 04:16:43 PM

Bonus Track: Through the Never version of Orion

Great version. Supposedly "live" but quite clearly recorded in a studio.

I'd love to hear a completely re -recorded Master Of Puppets album. Just do it whenever. Record each song 10 times and pick the best version.

Next year is MOP's 30th anniversary. They should do a MOP live at HQ DVD except that it's the best takes of each song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: chaossystem on December 12, 2015, 04:34:20 PM
If I had to make one album out of Load , Reload and the 3 new songs we got between Reload and Saint Anger :

1. Ain't My Bitch
2. 2x4
3. Devil's Dance
4. Hero Of The Day
5. Carpe Diem Baby
6. Bleeding Me
7. Wasting My Hate
8. Where The Wild Things Are
9. Mama Said
10. No Leaf Clover
11. Fixxxer
12. The Outlaw Torn

Something like that. 

The ballady songs from those albums are amongst the best of the bands' career.

Mine would be:

1) Ain't My Bitch
2) Until it Sleeps
3) King Nothing
4) Hero of the Day
5) Bleeding Me
6) Fuel
7) The Memory Remains
8) The Unforgiven 2
9) Bad Seed
10) No Leaf Clover
11) I disappear

This would be almost an hour of music

if allowed to go about 70 min., I would also include
Carpe Diem Baby
and
Where the Wild Things Are
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on December 12, 2015, 09:05:13 PM
What if a genie granted me one wish in 1985 and I decided to disappear all current and future wah pedals.

if a Kirk Hammett plays a solo without a wah pedal, does it make a sound?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 16, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/Mobile%20Uploads/Reddit-StarWars-Metallica-1024x512.png_zps7o6dwr9h.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on December 17, 2015, 06:24:26 AM
That's pretty funny. While listening to St. Anger I browsed some reviews on Amazon and one of them simply said "St. Anger is the Jar Jar Binks of metal albums."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 17, 2015, 08:13:31 AM
St. Anger is great.

Quit whining.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on December 17, 2015, 12:58:14 PM
St, Anger actually wasn't as bad as I remember it being. Most of the songs are cool but overly long. Like I told my friend, it's not a terrible album, it's a terrible Metallica album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 17, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
There is literally nothing good about St. Anger. It's a bunch of shitty diluted nu metal riffs in drop C for the sake of being in drop C cuz bands like Godsmack, System of a Down, and Mudvayne, as well as an army of other bands that were either nu metal or lumped in with that scene, were using that tuning a lot in the early 2000s. The no solos thing was a clear sign of them ("them" not including Kirk since he was against it) feeling old and trying to distance themselves from 80s shred. The majority of the album sounds like a neophyte redneck's take on metal much like what you can hear in any American truck commercial over the last 10 years. It took forever to come out and should've been way better than it was. I have no problem with it taking as long as it did if I take into consideration all of the issues they were dealing with during that era but if it did have to take that long they could've delivered a far superior product.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 17, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
I really like St. Anger actually.   More than the Black Album. 


Not kidding.    I'm just one of those guys that liked Metallica when KEA and RtL were the only albums there were.   Imagine being a fanboy of just those two albums, and nothing else existed yet.   Nothing to compare them to. 

I honestly despised TBA when I first heard it.   I believe the first words out of my mouth were, "WTF is this?   I can *DANCE* to this!!  You're not supposed to be able to *DANCE* to Metallica!!"    As I grew older, I can to appreciate that about half of the album is pretty cool, but still waaaay too polished for me.    I love Sad But True, Of Wolf and Man, Wherever I May Roam.... actually that's about it.   

TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on December 18, 2015, 07:59:51 AM
TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.

St. Anger is very, very far from snarling, rabid, or angry. This is independent of the subjective side (liking, disliking, whether they were attempting nu-metal tropes, etc.) - truly objectively, there is no heart in the playing and arranging on that record whatsoever. Everything repeats 4 or 8 times because... because? There's no reason. The songs don't follow the intuition that makes a song like "No Leaf Clover" - to give a nearby example in the Metallica timeline - flow and justify any repetition. Every SA song is so bloated, such a clearly heartless attempt at being what people expect once the "hard blues" experiment was over so they could market a 'return to form'... I'll take the complete failures on TBA ("The Struggle Within," "Don't Tread on Me") over any song on St. Anger anyday because at least they gave their all. I can still hear passion despite the clear attempt at radio playability. Everyone was so distracted from the drama shown in Some Kind of Monster that the music suffered tremendously.

And the DVD versions are pretty laughable every time Kirk sings.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 20, 2015, 09:59:01 PM
TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.

St. Anger is very, very far from snarling, rabid, or angry. This is independent of the subjective side (liking, disliking, whether they were attempting nu-metal tropes, etc.) - truly objectively, there is no heart in the playing and arranging on that record whatsoever. Everything repeats 4 or 8 times because... because? There's no reason. The songs don't follow the intuition that makes a song like "No Leaf Clover" - to give a nearby example in the Metallica timeline - flow and justify any repetition. Every SA song is so bloated, such a clearly heartless attempt at being what people expect once the "hard blues" experiment was over so they could market a 'return to form'... I'll take the complete failures on TBA ("The Struggle Within," "Don't Tread on Me") over any song on St. Anger anyday because at least they gave their all. I can still hear passion despite the clear attempt at radio playability. Everyone was so distracted from the drama shown in Some Kind of Monster that the music suffered tremendously.

And the DVD versions are pretty laughable every time Kirk sings.

I don't hate St. Anger, but I essentially agree with you. To me, Metallica's true return to metal glory came five years later with Death Magnetic despite the bad production (and the production on St. Anger wasn't much better tbh).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Metro on December 23, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INQt110Q0nI

Happy Holidayz from Metallica
Featuring a sample of a new song
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MajorBoobage on December 23, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Registered to see this, sounds pretty good to my ears
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 23, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on December 23, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
Cool.

James is aging well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on December 23, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
Meh.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Moor on February 17, 2016, 11:51:07 PM
Great news !!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-to-reissue-kill-em-all-and-ride-the-lightning-albums-in-april/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 12:32:38 AM
I can't wait to hear how these turn out. All of the thrash era albums could hugely benefit from a proper remaster, as long as they don't screw it up and crank it too loud. I'm still clinging on to my empty baseless hope that AJFA will get a remix out of this series too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on February 18, 2016, 12:34:30 AM
Hopefully they turn up on Spotify, or some other stream somewhere, because I'm not buying these outright. I don't have high hopes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 12:44:33 AM
My expectations are low too, but I'll give them a chance to prove me wrong. They'll probably hold off on streaming services for at least a bit so people buy it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 18, 2016, 04:25:38 AM
I can't wait to hear how these turn out. All of the thrash era albums could hugely benefit from a proper remaster, as long as they don't screw it up and crank it too loud. I'm still clinging on to my empty baseless hope that AJFA will get a remix out of this series too.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 04:33:52 AM
:lol I wish I could say that was intentional.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2016, 05:14:02 AM
My expectations are low too, but I'll give them a chance to prove me wrong. They'll probably hold off on streaming services for at least a bit so people buy it.

If there is a noticeable improvement, I'd probably spend money on them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Moor on February 18, 2016, 05:15:02 AM
:lol I wish I could say that was intentional.

My god! how did this happen?! It is maybe the only "bassless" album in music history  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 18, 2016, 06:49:57 AM
I bet they'll devote a whole separate disc to AJFA with bass. And another 8 discs for live stuff.

Hoping these come out on HDtracks in this campaign.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 18, 2016, 07:03:45 AM
Cool idea, I'll be curious to see how this turns out as well. Definitely not an automatic buy for me, but if done right, I'd probably pick up the RTL one. I'm not a big KEA fan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on February 22, 2016, 04:45:06 PM
Man, Het doesn't even get angry when Lars fucks up anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QYfd9UPXvw)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 04, 2016, 07:56:03 AM
I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2016, 08:14:10 AM
Man, Het doesn't even get angry when Lars fucks up anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QYfd9UPXvw)

I feel so sorry for Hetfield. Lars is a sub par drummer who has zero understanding of timing. The drummer is supposed to be the foundation to hold it together, not the guy you work around.

I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.

Damn.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2016, 08:57:32 AM
I read that they tuned the guitars slightly flat on MOP - then played the master tapes back slightly faster to get it back to A440.

Now what would be the point in that ?

To get the guitars to sound thicker but still in A440 ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2016, 09:02:34 AM
It would make the songs faster than recorded, and sound tighter than playing it at that tempo in the first place. So it would be tighter and faster, but easier to play than playing at the faster tempo. It would also be slightly easier on the vocals, and possibly make the production sound a little snappier.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 04, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
MoP is such a great record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 04, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
I read that they tuned the guitars slightly flat on MOP - then played the master tapes back slightly faster to get it back to A440.

Now what would be the point in that ?

To get the guitars to sound thicker but still in A440 ?

And where did you read this? Anything verifiable?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
The most recent Lars interview in Rolling Stone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2016, 10:26:45 AM
" "My favorite song is 'Master of Puppets,'" Burton said in a 1986 interview.

"That one took some time," Rasmussen recalls. "There are a lot of different parts and melodies, but it's a primo song." To tighten up the sound, the producer remembers asking the band to tune their instruments slightly lower than usual so they could mix with the tapes running faster so it sounded like it would be in tune. "We banged it out a couple of times and decided on the one with the best feeling, because they'd have to play it live."

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-30-years-of-master-of-puppets-we-were-just-kids-20160302?page=4
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 04, 2016, 10:33:03 AM
Master of Puppets is IMO the greatest record of all time. There is not a single bad song on the album and I could listen to it everyday without getting tired of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 04, 2016, 10:45:13 AM
I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.

Yeesh, I still remember the day I bought it. Old fart alert.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2016, 11:52:59 AM
Master of Puppets is IMO the greatest record of all time. There is not a single bad song on the album and I could listen to it everyday without getting tired of it.

At the very least it's Metallica's best album.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 04, 2016, 11:54:49 AM
Happy 30th anniversary to Master of Puppets!  :metal
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2016, 11:57:45 AM
MAST3R 0F PUPPETS
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 04, 2016, 12:59:57 PM
I got into Metallica when I was 13, and in a period of 6 months I bought the first 3 albums, in order. I remember I liked KEA, I loved RTL, but I couldn't quite enjoy MOP.

It might have been a sound problem in the CD, though (out of the three, it's the most 'flat'), because some of the songwriting is great - my favourites were "Welcome Home" and "Lepper Messiah".

Hopefully a re-mixed/re-mastered CD comes in the future.
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Post by: dparrott on March 04, 2016, 05:53:04 PM
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2016, 10:13:16 PM
I've always loved MoP and it's damn consistent, but I've never considered it their best. If it weren't for the dud mix, AJFA would be better imo, and I consider TBA better than any of the thrash era albums (come at me thrash bros). MoP would probably rank 3rd for me overall, although I rarely listen to it any more.
Still a damn great and iconic album though of course. :tup
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Post by: Mladen on March 05, 2016, 02:52:37 AM
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.
Same here.
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 05, 2016, 10:48:46 PM
1. I just re-watched the 'MTV Icon' special for the first time in 12 years (I was 13 at the time). A stupid concept, really (and some of the presenters and dialogues seem weird), but a fun show nonetheless. I like the Jim Breuer bit, and the band playing all those '80s classics with so much energy!

2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre, so I think I might enjoy 'St. Anger'. It's weird I have never ever given it a listen - only know the singles (which I remember liking).

3. Favourite 3 songs: "Creeping Death", "Wherever I may roam" and "Low Man's Lyric".
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2016, 10:53:27 PM
2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre

It's strange reading this on a Dream Theater forum.........by a Dream Theater fan.
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Post by: 425 on March 05, 2016, 10:57:14 PM
2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre, so I think I might enjoy 'St. Anger'. It's weird I have never ever given it a listen - only know the singles (which I remember liking).

This is not the only objection that people have to St. Anger.

Let's put it this way: For Whom the Bell Tolls doesn't have any solos, but nobody complains about that, because it's still a good song.

I'm not one of those people who will say that St. Anger is devoid of good ideas. I think it has numerous good ideas that are for the most part either poorly executed or repeated way too many times. And then what good is there is promptly smothered by a terrible production job.

Frantic is a good song. It's a bit too repetitive, but it's a good song. I wish they would rescue that one, shorten it a bit, and play it live sometimes. There may be another couple of songs that could be salvaged—I don't know, and I haven't had it in me yet to give a second listen to that monstrosity to figure it out. But there may be.

Low Man's Lyric is awesome. I think most of the more experimental songs on the Load albums are pretty awesome. I think there's probably close to a couple of hours of quality music between those two albums, but not two hours and forty minutes. A 100 minute double album would have been cool.


Also, this:
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.
Same here.

And I agree that MOP sounds kind of flat. I also think that it's just less melodic from a songwriting perspective than AJFA and especially RTL.
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 05, 2016, 11:32:28 PM
2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre

It's strange reading this on a Dream Theater forum.........by a Dream Theater fan.

Yeah, most bands I've been a fan of have solos, but I've never cared for them (nor do I like playing them). In fact, whenever a solo is happening, I pay attention to what the rest of the band is playing - sometimes I find myself enjoying those parts instead of the solo.

That said, I like some solos, such as:
-Guitar: Joe of Aerosmith (https://youtu.be/RqQn2ADZE1A?t=2m45s (https://youtu.be/RqQn2ADZE1A?t=2m45s)).
-Drums: Travis of Blink-182 (https://youtu.be/YHPsjZ-TFxA?t=3m1s (https://youtu.be/YHPsjZ-TFxA?t=3m1s)).
-Bass: Pepe of Bersuit Vergarabat (https://youtu.be/qLxJPN_FmwY?t=3m9s (https://youtu.be/qLxJPN_FmwY?t=3m9s)).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 05, 2016, 11:50:28 PM
This is not the only objection that people have to St. Anger.

Let's put it this way: For Whom the Bell Tolls doesn't have any solos, but nobody complains about that, because it's still a good song.

I'm not one of those people who will say that St. Anger is devoid of good ideas. I think it has numerous good ideas that are for the most part either poorly executed or repeated way too many times. And then what good is there is promptly smothered by a terrible production job.

Frantic is a good song. It's a bit too repetitive, but it's a good song. I wish they would rescue that one, shorten it a bit, and play it live sometimes. There may be another couple of songs that could be salvaged—I don't know, and I haven't had it in me yet to give a second listen to that monstrosity to figure it out. But there may be.

Yes, from what I've read online, the sound of the drums isn't loved by most, and I've also seen some criticism regarding the lengths of some songs (as you said). For all those reasons (and the lack of solos), I think it will be an interesting/enjoyable album. I'll see if I can get my hands on the one copy around my area (for some reason, 'Lulu', 'Death Magnetic' and 'St.Anger' have basically disappeared from stores here).
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Post by: 425 on March 06, 2016, 12:01:38 AM
If you're committed to getting it, go ahead and do it. I'm always a fan of making up your own mind instead of just listening to the crowd, even though the crowd is nearly universally negative on this album.

My one recommendation would be to try to get the version with the bonus DVD if you can find that for a reasonable price. The reason for that is that the bonus DVD has the band playing the entire album live in studio. The sound on that is decent—certainly much better than on the actual album itself—so that solves one of the major problems with the release.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2016, 02:19:37 AM
St. Anger is a weird one but it does sound good really loud.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2016, 02:21:01 AM
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.

Master is easily the best for me.

It's very consistent from start to finish. Justice is dull and Ride has Escape.
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Post by: Zook on March 06, 2016, 08:06:11 AM
Yeah, fuck that catchy melodic metal song.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
I know people throw around the word "filler" willy nilly .

But Escape literally is filler.

They wrote it as a song to fill up the album.

The very definition of filler.
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Post by: Zydar on March 06, 2016, 09:18:10 AM
It may be filler in that regard, but it's still a great song IMHO.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on March 06, 2016, 09:20:51 AM
It may be filler in that regard, but it's still a great song IMHO.
I second this. Never quite got the hate towards Escape.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 06, 2016, 10:51:11 AM
I know people throw around the word "filler" willy nilly .

But Escape literally is filler.

They wrote it as a song to fill up the album.

The very definition of filler.

This. James Hetfield himself hates the song. To me, it's just the song that I have to get through before the amazing 1-2 punch of an ending that is Creeping Death/The Call of Ktulu.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 06, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
I vote for filler. It's not awful, but it's still worthless.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2016, 01:05:51 PM
They even changed it when they played all of Ride...in it's entirety.
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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2016, 01:08:41 PM
They even changed it when they played all of Ride...in it's entirety.

Really? I never compared the two, how did they change it?
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Post by: Zook on March 06, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
They even changed it when they played all of Ride...in it's entirety.

Really? I never compared the two, how did they change it?

James sings the chorus even more melodically and they gave it a proper ending since the original fades out. In other words, they didn't really change it much at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LudwigVan on March 09, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
Escape sounds like it should've been the middle section on a longer song.

Anyone like Garage Inc.?  Been thinking of picking this one up.  I absolutely hate cover albums, but this one sounds awesome!
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Post by: TAC on March 09, 2016, 03:11:30 PM
Garage Inc is excellent. I definitely prefer the 2nd disc as it has all of the 80's b sides in one place, as well as Garage Days ReRevisited, which is what singlehandedly got me back into Metallica.

Still don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.
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Post by: Train of Naught on March 09, 2016, 03:14:22 PM
Some of my favorite Metallica songs are actually covers that are on Garage Inc (Astronomy and Turn the Page), they absolutely kill it, and it's never a blatant copy of the original song, they always keep it original.
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Post by: TAC on March 09, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
I'm actually not a fan of Turn The Page, and I must admit to having only played the first disc once since I bought the album.
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Post by: Stadler on March 09, 2016, 03:23:11 PM
Garage Inc is excellent. I definitely prefer the 2nd disc as it has all of the 80's b sides in one place, as well as Garage Days ReRevisited, which is what singlehandedly got me back into Metallica.

Still don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.

Agreed.  One of the records that brought me from casual (read: I don't own any albums, but won't turn them off if they are on the radio) fan to now owning the whole catalogue (except for Kill Em All and Live S**t).

Turn The Page is about the perfect cover.  Hetfield captures the emotion of that song, in my mind, perfectly.  Rode hard, put away wet. 
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 09, 2016, 03:26:52 PM
Garage Inc Disc 1 is one of the best production jobs on a metal album ever.
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Post by: El Barto on March 09, 2016, 03:27:54 PM
Metallica's  a great cover band. Astronomy is fantastic, and I dig the shit out of the Mercyful Fate medley.

The down side is that they should have actually covered National Acrobat and Bridge of Sighs instead of just slipping parts into other songs.
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Post by: TAC on March 09, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
Stadler, no love for Kill 'Em All?? I'm surprised!

To me, it's easily my favorite Metallica album, and it's not even close. When that came out, I couldn't believe my ears!
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Post by: LudwigVan on March 09, 2016, 03:53:00 PM
Garage Inc = ordered

Still don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.

Probably because 9 times out of 10, whenever I hear a cover version, it makes me want to listen to the original.  But as you say, the Metallica versions are so... out there.  They really seem to own the songs (while still respecting the originals).   When I hear DT cover Rainbow, it almost seems like they're just skating across the surface of the song, and it immediately makes me reach for my Rainbow album. 
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2016, 03:57:08 PM
Turn the Page is fantastic, an awesome cover.

I don't have that album though so I can't say if it's worth it, but what I heard of the covers I do like.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 09, 2016, 04:35:00 PM
Garage Inc = ordered


It's also on Spotify in the meantime.
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Post by: LCArenas on March 09, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Garage Inc is great! I really liked the Motörhead covers as well. Should've added one of  the Ramones covers they also do live from time to time, like Commando.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 09, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
Turn the Page= :hefdaddy
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 09, 2016, 06:58:16 PM
I haven't listened to the whole album, but I think the "Whiskey In The Jar" version is really cool. I listened to it for the first time in 2003, I think. A few years later a friend gave me a CD of Irish music, and that was one of the songs (don't remember who sang/played on it). Nice tune!

(a rock group from Uruguay called El Cuarteto De Nos also have a version, called "Whiskey En Uruguay", on their 2014 album. Cool version too.)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 10, 2016, 01:14:53 AM
Garage days revisited was probably the last album by them I completely dug. I dont' agree that both Load and Reload were complete toilet either, they could have made one awesome cd out of that.
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Post by: Onno on March 10, 2016, 03:08:43 AM
I think most of Metallica's covers are awesome. Astronomy might be my favourite.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on March 10, 2016, 05:15:54 AM
I haven't listened to the whole album, but I think the "Whiskey In The Jar" version is really cool. I listened to it for the first time in 2003, I think. A few years later a friend gave me a CD of Irish music, and that was one of the songs (don't remember who sang/played on it). Nice tune!

(a rock group from Uruguay called El Cuarteto De Nos also have a version, called "Whiskey En Uruguay", on their 2014 album. Cool version too.)

Dubliners if I'm not mistaken. Thin Lizzy made it popular though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 05:39:56 AM
Garage Inc = ordered

Still don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.

Probably because 9 times out of 10, whenever I hear a cover version, it makes me want to listen to the original.  But as you say, the Metallica versions are so... out there.  They really seem to own the songs (while still respecting the originals).   When I hear DT cover Rainbow, it almost seems like they're just skating across the surface of the song, and it immediately makes me reach for my Rainbow album.

Well they did a great cover of Stargazer and James nailed it. But you're right in a sense that when DT covers a song, they are really just playing it..well.
Metallica seems to "Metallicize" it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 10, 2016, 06:00:49 AM
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 06:02:16 AM
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.

Pretty sure that's a universal feeling.


Also, Frayed Ends  :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 10, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.

Pretty sure that's a universal feeling.


Also, Frayed Ends  :metal

 :metal

I know plenty of old school Metallicats that thought they sold out after Justice, or even with making a video for "One", so there's that group as well. Hell, my father loved the video for that because of the movie footage.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2016, 06:09:29 AM
::) People hate Metallica for anything.

You put acoustic guitars on Ride ? What a sellout !!!

They've had it since the beginning.


Metallica is one of the greatest Hard Rock albums ever AND it sounds phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 06:10:03 AM
When I bought The Black Album, I felt that the sellout was clearly on. But that album has aged really well. It still sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2016, 06:10:15 AM
I watched that movie just because of One. It's a really good movie in its own right.
I didn't see doing music videos or TBA as selling out. Load and Reload more so, but they've still got plenty of great material between them if you filter it down. In retrospect, I have no problem with their evolving style at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2016, 06:11:42 AM
When I bought The Black Album, I felt that the sellout was clearly on. But that album has aged really well. It still sounds fantastic.


Metallica wasn't a sell out . They were a band putting out music. They continued to do this on Metallica. The only difference is that the songs were shorter and had great production.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2016, 06:12:29 AM
I watched that movie just because of One. It's a really good movie in its own right.
I didn't see doing music videos or TBA as selling out. Load and Reload more so, but they've still got plenty of great material between them if you filter it down. In retrospect, I have no problem with their evolving style at all.


Load, Reload and St. Anger were risky albums but they did them anyway.

I can't see Slayer putting out a risky album. Selling out can also mean putting out the same album every time because you know it will sell.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 10, 2016, 06:13:55 AM
I felt like they lost that edge from albums like Lightning and Puppets. That raw sound was what made them great. Yes, Black is a great album, but it's a totally different sound. I can see how people were put off by it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 06:15:59 AM
When I bought The Black Album, I felt that the sellout was clearly on. But that album has aged really well. It still sounds fantastic.


Metallica wasn't a sell out . They were a band putting out music. They continued to do this on Metallica. The only difference is that the songs were shorter and had great production.

It wasn't Metallica. It was a HUGE shift at the time. I'm not sure how old you are but sometimes when one looks back at a band's discography perhaps there is some objectivity as to where an album sits amongst the others, but when you are present as the discographies evolve, these shifts in style are far more pronounced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2016, 06:26:30 AM
I watched that movie just because of One. It's a really good movie in its own right.
I didn't see doing music videos or TBA as selling out. Load and Reload more so, but they've still got plenty of great material between them if you filter it down. In retrospect, I have no problem with their evolving style at all.


Load, Reload and St. Anger were risky albums but they did them anyway.

I can't see Slayer putting out a risky album. Selling out can also mean putting out the same album every time because you know it will sell.

I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 10, 2016, 06:27:28 AM
Dubliners if I'm not mistaken. Thin Lizzy made it popular though.

It was probably Dubliners. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2016, 06:38:28 AM

I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.

That was probably Rick Ruin's fault. He pushed for a classic sound on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 06:39:02 AM


I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.

I actually agree with the bolded part. But for me, who came up with the thrashy Metallica, I welcomed it.

The biggest issue about Metallica's albums after TBA is the fact that there's so damned few of them!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 10, 2016, 06:42:48 AM

It wasn't Metallica. It was a HUGE shift at the time. I'm not sure how old you are but sometimes when one looks back at a band's discography perhaps there is some objectivity as to where an album sits amongst the others, but when you are present as the discographies evolve, these shifts in style are far more pronounced.

Most of the fans who thought TBA and Empire were sellout albums at the time would now give their left nut to have more like them ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 07:02:00 AM

It wasn't Metallica. It was a HUGE shift at the time. I'm not sure how old you are but sometimes when one looks back at a band's discography perhaps there is some objectivity as to where an album sits amongst the others, but when you are present as the discographies evolve, these shifts in style are far more pronounced.

Most of the fans who thought TBA and Empire were sellout albums at the time would now give their left nut to have more like them ;D

* Raises hand*

I actually liked Empire a lot when it came out. But it did get me very worried about what would come next. Turns out, I had a right to be worried.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 10, 2016, 07:16:47 AM

I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.

That was probably Rick Ruin's fault. He pushed for a classic sound on that album.

I see what you did there  :P

(At first I was going to correct you, though)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 10, 2016, 07:24:43 AM
Just dropping in to say The Black Album is phenomenal, that's all, carry on.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 10, 2016, 07:28:06 AM
Yeah, it could be my favourite Metallica album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on March 10, 2016, 07:29:35 AM
Yeah, it is favourite Metallica album.
FTFM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 10, 2016, 07:32:51 AM
It (TBA) just always struck me as the perfect blend of what came before it and what came after it. It had those metallic, heavy, thrashy moments like their prior albums, and also had more hard rock, blues, layering, production, etc... of the Loads.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2016, 07:42:20 AM
Yeah, it could be my favourite Metallica album.

It's definitely my favourite Metallica album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 10, 2016, 08:33:42 AM
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.

I hope you know I'm not busting your balls here, but isn't it more correct to say "Personally, I think they've moved progressively farther from what I want to hear"?    To TAC's point, I was there as they evolved, and being a Maiden and Sabbath and Kiss fan, I can remember thinking, "Yeah, RTL and MOP are okay, but I wish they weren't so one-dimensional" and then hearing ...AJFA (my college roommate bought it on vinyl day of release) and thinking "okay, they still sound thin and tinny as crap, but they are evolving!" and then finally getting the TBA album and thinking "YES! THIS! This is a band that is maturing and growing into a real sound and feel!"   It was warm, it was thick, the lyrics weren't just repurposed plots from war movies, but had some DEPTH to them.

I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
But they cut their hair!!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 10, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).   
That's a reasonable observation. As is often the case with you and me, though, I like to think my problem with it is a more nuanced interpretation. While I can't speak about REM (never liked them), where I have a problem is when people jump aboard the ship for an album that I think is a huge departure for the band (and honestly pretty crappy). If everybody jumped on the bandwagon for Justice (and plenty did) I'd actually be pretty happy about it. How would we all feel if DT became a huge success on the strength of You Not Me?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 09:47:43 AM
Right on Bart, I completely agree. I never had a problem with them getting popular. My issue is the change in style. Others may call it growth. That's fine. But if a band continues to stop making music I like, I have a right to stop following.

I can follow the line of "growth" from TBA to the first Load, but after that, I just cannot get on board.

I'm also not sure how Rush going from Hemispheres to Grace Under Pressure is "growth" either. Maybe Rush feels they did grow.

But in both cases, each band took what I liked about them and turned their backs on it.

Popularity has no effect on this discussion for me, unless the band started writing for it. And with TBA, frankly the jury is still out on that one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 10, 2016, 09:52:07 AM
I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).   
That's a reasonable observation. As is often the case with you and me, though, I like to think my problem with it is a more nuanced interpretation. While I can't speak about REM (never liked them), where I have a problem is when people jump aboard the ship for an album that I think is a huge departure for the band (and honestly pretty crappy). If everybody jumped on the bandwagon for Justice (and plenty did) I'd actually be pretty happy about it. How would we all feel if DT became a huge success on the strength of You Not Me?

What strength of You Not Me?

All joking aside, The Black Album is great and it enabled them to appeal to a wider audience. I would have never heard Metallica if it wasn't for TBA. It was the first Metallica album my dad bought and it's what made him a fan which lead to me being a fan. My two favorite albums by them are Master and Justice but I would have never gotten to hear either if it wasn't for the commercial appeal of TBA. It's not like the band started making pop music. They decided to simplify the song structures and slow it down because when a band does that, it enables them to add more layers to the songs without it being a mess. In the end, the change of style allowed their music to grow to a level it never could have otherwise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on March 10, 2016, 10:30:49 AM
I'm definitely not a fan who gets all upset about a band "selling out" or becoming more popular or remaining MY BAND. I have actually grown to like TBA a good bit and that tour was pretty awesome.  I wasn't a big fan of TBA when it came out. I loathed Enter Sandman (and it only got worse by how they've never stopped over playing it). I'd MUCH rather have "repurposed plots from war movies" lyrics than that -DEPTH-.....

I don't hold it against the band personally because I don't think any of us know with any certainty why they decided to change stylistically from probably the best metal band to the biggest rock band in the world. If a band just wants to create a different style for themselves that's their prerogative but I think many viewed it as them doing it for the money. It's their right as a band to create the music they want so I don't begrudge them for it.

What I can say is I MUCH prefer the albums prior to TBA much more regardless of production value and for me that says a bit about the change they made.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 10:36:20 AM
I agree with all of that!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 10, 2016, 10:47:14 AM
Right on Bart, I completely agree. I never had a problem with them getting popular. My issue is the change in style. Others may call it growth. That's fine. But if a band continues to stop making music I like, I have a right to stop following.

I can follow the line of "growth" from TBA to the first Load, but after that, I just cannot get on board.

I'm also not sure how Rush going from Hemispheres to Grace Under Pressure is "growth" either. Maybe Rush feels they did grow.

But in both cases, each band took what I liked about them and turned their backs on it.

Popularity has no effect on this discussion for me, unless the band started writing for it. And with TBA, frankly the jury is still out on that one.

I don't think I am contradicting myself when I say I agree with most of this, except for the "what constitutes growth" part.   It's not irrelevant that I consider P/G to be my least favorite Rush album by a long shot, even behind the debut, Caress, and Roll The Bones.  It's hard to get my arms around the fact that the band that put out Hemispheres (one of my top five albums of any band ever) also put out the thin, sterile, light-weight P/G.  But I can absolutely - in hindsight - see how perhaps that was a necessary record.  "Let's see what the boundaries are".  They haven't gotten anywhere near that since, I might add.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 10, 2016, 10:53:29 AM
... but I think many viewed it as them doing it for the money.

That's something I don't get.   Hetfield is, to me, sort of the epitome of that kind of integrity, same with Newsted, so to me that theory (which I've heard before and I'm not attributing to you) doesn't make a lot of sense to me except in that hindsight way people have of trying to explain things they don't like in a way that's consistent with their world view. 

They spent SO much on that album, remixed it, what, twice? And with the grunge thing about to explode (Pearl Jam Ten was released two weeks after, and Nevermind was released what, a month later?) there were no guarantees on that making any money. That was a big risk for that band at that time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2016, 11:13:17 AM
I don't think you are contradicting yourself at all Stadler. Bands grow (your term) and evolve (my term).  It happens.


And I'll say it again that TBA has aged very well for me. I feel dramatically different now, than I did 25 years ago when it was released.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on March 10, 2016, 11:36:04 AM
I just can't listen to Metallica anymore. I am a fan of their early stuff, Ride The Lightening, And Jusice for All,  MOP etc...    Death Magnetic is a good recent effort, but there are so many other bands I would rather be listening to. I like Iron Maiden sooo much better than Metallica nowadays, they are writing way better material on a consistent basis. Dream Theater is also writing and performing at such a high level that I forget about Metallica. Not to mention Symphony X is killing it lately!
 I hope Metallica has something good in store to renew my interest in them. I can appreciate what they have done but I just lost interest a long time ago..  :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
But they cut their hair!!  :biggrin:

I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 10, 2016, 12:23:04 PM
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.

I hope you know I'm not busting your balls here, but isn't it more correct to say "Personally, I think they've moved progressively farther from what I want to hear"?    To TAC's point, I was there as they evolved, and being a Maiden and Sabbath and Kiss fan, I can remember thinking, "Yeah, RTL and MOP are okay, but I wish they weren't so one-dimensional" and then hearing ...AJFA (my college roommate bought it on vinyl day of release) and thinking "okay, they still sound thin and tinny as crap, but they are evolving!" and then finally getting the TBA album and thinking "YES! THIS! This is a band that is maturing and growing into a real sound and feel!"   It was warm, it was thick, the lyrics weren't just repurposed plots from war movies, but had some DEPTH to them.

I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).   

To me, it's all about perception. I listened to RTL and MOP and loved the sound. Not everything has to be "warm" and "thick" for it to be good.

It's definitely not because they started to make music that appealed to different people. Whether or not they actually sold out is irrelevant to me. I just feel that I liked Metallica back when they had that "one-dimensional" sound because that is who they were. I personally think Load and Reload are terrible albums, with very few exceptions.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 10, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
But they cut their hair!!  :biggrin:

I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
By itself, of course. At the same time you drastically change the style of your music, pose for album covers smoking cigars and remark "Yes, We Sell Out --- Every Seat In The House," then it's one component of a much bigger picture.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 10, 2016, 12:33:08 PM
But they cut their hair!!  :biggrin:

I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
By itself, of course. At the same time you drastically change the style of your music, pose for album covers smoking cigars and remark "Yes, We Sell Out --- Every Seat In The House," then it's one component of a much bigger picture.

I definitely see it as a conscious effort to make more money. With the taste of success from "One", I feel like they wanted more of it. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but not everyone is going to accept it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on March 10, 2016, 12:39:22 PM
I just recently realised how good is The Black Album. I believe AJFA will stay my #1 but TBA could pass MoP for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on March 10, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
How are MoP and RtL one-dimensional?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 10, 2016, 04:58:40 PM
How are MoP and RtL one-dimensional?

They're not. There is quite a bit of complexity and variety to those albums. I would say that the only Metallica album that is one dimensional is St. Anger. There is a certain level of depth to even their earlier music that sets them apart from other bands in their genre. Metallica's music along with Megadeth's always felt more mature than the other thrash bands from the 80's.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2016, 05:32:16 PM
How are MoP and RtL one-dimensional?

Those vinyls are quite flat...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 11, 2016, 02:26:07 AM
That still makes them at least two-dimensional  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 04:17:49 AM
:emo:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 05:36:08 AM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 11, 2016, 05:42:00 AM
But they cut their hair!!  :biggrin:

I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
By itself, of course. At the same time you drastically change the style of your music, pose for album covers smoking cigars and remark "Yes, We Sell Out --- Every Seat In The House," then it's one component of a much bigger picture.

I agree. They even started trying to disassociate themselves from the "metal" label (except for Jason who was pretty disgusted by the whole thing). The concerts starting dropping in energy and quality - compare the Seattle 89 show to the SF 92 show from Live S*@t.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 11, 2016, 06:20:45 AM
The one thing I will say about Load and Reload is that, while both have songs that were clearly designed to be hits, they're actually very weird albums. In fact, I'd argue that Load might be the strangest thing Metallica ever did. It's 80 minutes of songs ranging from blues to country to metal to... Just bizarre stuff. It's got a ton of bass and it's real slow. Play Master of Puppets and Load to someone who's never heard Metallica before and I think they might just find the former to be more accessible overall.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 09:15:33 AM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 11, 2016, 10:19:30 AM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
Don't worry, Kotowboy; the needle goes through the music in only one direction (albeit a spiral-ish one) and sense, so technically you were right with the one-dimensional aspect.

That said, I agree that Right The Lightning and Master Of Puppets are not musically one-dimensional: they had the heavy, fast dimension, but also the acoustic, melancholic spots ("Fade To Black" and "Master Of Puppets" show both aspects). Besides "Phantom Lord" (which I remember had a short, slow, sort-of-acoustic spot) I consider Kill 'Em All one-dimensional. I also consider the Ramones debut as one-dimensional, and I don't like the songs on it, so it's an awful boring album to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 10:38:13 AM
It still blows my mind how a pin going over some plastic grooves makes music come out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 11, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
Yep, it's amazing to me too. I have a few music books which talk about the improvements in technology and the music industry, and they explain about that stuff. Nontheless, it's some sort of magic to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 10:56:10 AM
So Lars says the new album will be done this spring. Honestly, I'm going to be shocked if I like the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 10:58:45 AM
I'll be surprised if it's a classic but I at least think it will be decent like Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: matthewmatt on March 11, 2016, 11:06:03 AM
Me, I mostly dislike the Black Album... but not because I'd think they sold out or whatever. It just bores me. I'm pretty excited about RtL-AJfA and then again Load and especially ReLoad (I still think it's criminally underrated), but I have problems sitting through TBA. Maybe it's the fact all the heavy hitters are in the first half, but after Wolf/God/Misery/Struggle I'm usually quite glad it's over. If I recall correctly, since I haven't heard it for quite some time, ReLoad has only one stinker in my book (Slither).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 11, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Me, I mostly dislike the Black Album... but not because I'd think they sold out or whatever. It just bores me. I'm pretty excited about RtL-AJfA and then again Load and especially ReLoad (I still think it's criminally underrated), but I have problems sitting through TBA. Maybe it's the fact all the heavy hitters are in the first half, but after Wolf/God/Misery/Struggle I'm usually quite glad it's over. If I recall correctly, since I haven't heard it for quite some time, ReLoad has only one stinker in my book (Slither).

Honestly, over time I've come to enjoy the back half of TBA a lot more. Maybe even more than the front half.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:17:58 AM
I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:

Load kicks Reload's ass.

sry not sry
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
I expect mediocre, but not awful songwriting, like Death Magnetic.

However, I really hope they do a better job producing it. I honestly can't even listen to Death Magnetic, it's just so damn loud and clippy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 11, 2016, 11:30:20 AM
I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:

Load kicks Reload's ass.

sry not sry
Aside from the last (and coincidentally best) songs on each I can't tell a Load song from a Reload song. To me it's just a double album that I condense to a single.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
Yeah, both are part of the same mass of ideas, but if we look both Load & Reload as song collections I like more the ones contained in Load than the ones from the other one.
I could take away a few weird songs out from Load and put in my faves from Reload, but that's about it. I can't think of a scenario in which I make a best of compilation from both and have an even 50% from both albums in it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 11, 2016, 11:47:56 AM
A quick perusal suggests 7-5 Reload for my list, +/-1 from each.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2016, 11:49:28 AM
I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:

Load kicks Reload's ass.

sry not sry
Aside from the last (and coincidentally best) songs on each I can't tell a Load song from a Reload song. To me it's just a double album that I condense to a single.

I condense them to an EP!
5 from Load and 1 from RL.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)

I guess basic programming escapes you?  (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 01:13:01 PM
I expect mediocre, but not awful songwriting, like Death Magnetic.

However, I really hope they do a better job producing it. I honestly can't even listen to Death Magnetic, it's just so damn loud and clippy.

They released a mastered for iTunes version. Listen to that. It's MUCH clearer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 01:14:21 PM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)

I guess basic programming escapes you?  (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 01:18:22 PM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)

I guess basic programming escapes you?  (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on March 11, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
goto topic this is the first time I used goto, I swear
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 11, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)

I guess basic programming escapes you?  (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)

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What Slayer song is that the tab for?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on March 11, 2016, 03:19:31 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: matthewmatt on March 11, 2016, 03:32:15 PM
2!

Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 04:24:51 PM

What Slayer song is that the tab for?


Haha I made this same joke a while ago. A guy in a band said his new song was "binary metal". I said all Slayer songs are binary. 0 1 00 1 1 00 10 1etc :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 04:25:20 PM
2!

Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.


NUGGETZ
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 05:04:19 PM
I guess basic mathematics escapes you?  :lol  ;)

I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)

I guess basic programming escapes you?  (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)

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What Slayer song is that the tab for?

All of them
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2016, 05:52:36 PM
^ The Correct Answer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on March 11, 2016, 08:12:14 PM
As repetitive as it can get, I'd still take classic Slayer over Metallica any day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: matthewmatt on March 11, 2016, 11:41:40 PM
2!

Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.


NUGGETZ

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 12, 2016, 03:05:44 AM
I was just checking out some of the docummentary on the creation of 'The Black Album'. When James and Lars oversee the final album artwork, I'm always reminded of the 'Spinal Tap' scene in which the guys receive the copies of 'Smell The Glove' :P

There's also a funny scene I had never seen in which Lars and James make fun of Bob Rock's photograph in his old band's album :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 12, 2016, 03:37:36 AM
I have the classic albums special on DVD for The Black Album, which is a good watch. You hear the demos at different tempos with gibberish words from James.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on March 12, 2016, 04:17:25 AM
What Slayer song is that the tab for?

All of them

^ The Correct Answer.

I think the sameyness of Slayer is a bit overstated. Sure, they've had some song clones, but can anyone honestly say Dead Skin Mask is identical to War Ensemble, Americon or Disciple? I know it's for comedic effect, but there are other bands that are just as repetitive and seem to not get the same treatment.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 12, 2016, 05:27:43 AM
I have the classic albums special on DVD for The Black Album, which is a good watch. You hear the demos at different tempos with gibberish words from James.

That's a fantastic dvd.  In fact, I haven't seen a 'Classic Albums' dvd I didn't like, they're so awesome.

2!

Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.


NUGGETZ

 :rollin

I think with DM they tried to make the album in between AJFA and TBA.  To me it sounds like a bridge between the two.  Which is cool when you consider the leap between them - DM definitely sounds like something in between... it's just not a patch on either of them :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on March 12, 2016, 09:40:32 AM
What Slayer song is that the tab for?

All of them

^ The Correct Answer.

I think the sameyness of Slayer is a bit overstated. Sure, they've had some song clones, but can anyone honestly say Dead Skin Mask is identical to War Ensemble, Americon or Disciple? I know it's for comedic effect, but there are other bands that are just as repetitive and seem to not get the same treatment.

Obviously, I'm being facetious. Old Slayer is nothing like the new shit they put out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 15, 2016, 05:38:02 AM
Greg Fidelman is confirmed as the producer on the upcoming album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/its_official_metallicas_new_album_will_be_produced_by_the_guy_who_produced_lulu.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Fidelman
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 15, 2016, 05:52:06 AM
It's funny that Kirk mentioned that this late in the game since Greg has been the producer for months. They've been recording since at least May last year.

Saying he produced Lulu is a bit unfair. He also produced their Ronnie James Dio medley and the live audio on their Through The Never movie.

Also Lulu had a few different producers working on it. Sonically that album is *fine*.



Also in the latest Lars interview - who talks a lot less utter bollocks than Kirk - he says the album should be finished in the spring and the second half of 2016 will be very busy for them.

Finally that " we're very far along now ".

I'm expecting Death Magnetic II but with better audio and hopefully some vocal harmonies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 15, 2016, 06:28:02 AM
I'm expecting Death Magnetic II but with better audio and hopefully some vocal harmonies.

That's about what I'm expecting, possibly a little less thrashy and a bit more Black Album style medium chug metal.
I'm just glad it's not Rick Rubin this time, as I think he's very overrated. It says Fidelman guy was engineer/mixer on DM. I've heard some people say the mix was wonked before it got to the mastering stage, so I don't know.
I have no strong opinion one way or another on this announcement until I hear something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 15, 2016, 06:33:00 AM
Greg produced this  :

https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/metallica-ronnie-rising-a


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 15, 2016, 06:50:24 AM
Sound wise it's a great sound for Metallica, and I'd be very happy for the new album to sound like that, I'm more curious about how he'll influence the songwriting and style if at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 15, 2016, 06:59:20 AM
Kirk said he has a lot of suggestions. You can see that in the making of Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on March 15, 2016, 07:06:54 AM
I'm just glad it's not Rick Rubin this time, as I think he's very overrated.
Definitely. I actually have a modicum of hope that the sound won't be complete and utter shite this time. Fingers crossed! :lol

It says Fidelman guy was engineer/mixer on DM. I've heard some people say the mix was wonked before it got to the mastering stage, so I don't know.
Everything Rick Rubin produces is compressed heavily, he is the constant. If Death Magnetic was overly compressed at the mixing stage, I'd have no doubt that it was at Rubin's instruction.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 15, 2016, 07:53:31 AM
Greg was sole producer on The Gray Chapter - which sounds much better than

Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
I think this upcoming album will definitely sound better than DM, but that's not saying much at all  :lol

IDK, for me, the best producer from strictly a sonic perspective for Metallica is and will always be Bobby. No one else has ever come close to making Metallica sound as good on record as him. I know Greg makes "suggestions" here and there, but I'd be curious how much influence he had during this process on things like arrangement, tempo, parts, melodies, etc... If his influence was minimal, then his main function is essentially related to the sonics of the album. If that's the case why not bring Rock in?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on March 15, 2016, 09:46:41 AM
I think the guitars on The Gray chapter lack a bit of bite, they are way less punchy than on, say, All hope is gone. Hopefully this one will be a bit more in-your-face when it comes to the guitar sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 15, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
I just hope whomever is producing has the balls to say "No Kirk (or Lars), do that better."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 16, 2016, 07:18:30 AM
I just hope whomever is producing has the balls to say "No Kirk (or Lars), do that better."

Haha sad but true...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 18, 2016, 06:42:00 AM
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August.  Looks like we're going.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on March 18, 2016, 07:52:15 AM
I remember one time when my mom came into my room when I was like 9 and looked at my copy of Load and said something like "oh neat, its a lava lamp" referring to the cover.

I looked her dead in the eye and said "yeah, definitely..."

Just be glad she didn't ask "what does a lava lamp have to do with Load?"  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on March 18, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August.  Looks like we're going.
Cool, that must cost a shitload of money though  :lol Never seen Metallica live, and I have no idea what they're like these days anyway on stage. A7X put up a great show though, even if you're not really into their music it should be enjoyable.

I really hope these bands don't delay their album releases (even though there's not set date) anymore though, so hopefully this show is just a one time thing this year.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 08:04:40 AM
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August.  Looks like we're going.

That would be a fun concert
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on March 18, 2016, 08:19:59 AM
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August.  Looks like we're going.

That would be a fun concert

Wish they would tour together. Saw them both play together at Orion 2012 and it was awesome. It was the only time I'd seen A7X, though, and would love to see them again. And Metallica hasn't been to Boston in 7 years, so I'd like not to have to go to Minneapolis to see them. Hopefully they'll do one last big tour through the States after the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 18, 2016, 09:51:06 AM
It will be at US Bank Stadium, the new Vikings stadium, which is still under construction.  Tickets go on sale next Friday and they're gonna go fast, as they're the second show playing there, the first being Luke Bryan the night before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 18, 2016, 09:54:01 AM
Where's ya crown, Viking Nothing?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 18, 2016, 10:33:32 AM
HAIL TO THE VIKING
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 12:23:04 PM
It will be at US Bank Stadium, the new Vikings stadium, which is still under construction.  Tickets go on sale next Friday and they're gonna go fast, as they're the second show playing there, the first being Luke Bryan the night before.

Yea I saw the info pop up on Facebook and thought to myself that would be such a cool concert to go to. Sadly it's not close enough to me nor is Metallica a band I'm willing to fly to see although they are now the band I've liked the longest without having seen (after finally seeing The Offspring last year).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 18, 2016, 12:39:48 PM
Well, it's a LOOOONG way for us to go also, and we're most certainly going to fly.  It's August 20th and jr. starts school on the 22nd.  He wants to see Metallica pretty badly.  And he'd be happy to see A7X again.  So we'll make a trip of it, go to Mall of America, see some other things, etc. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
Well, it's a LOOOONG way for us to go also, and we're most certainly going to fly.  It's August 20th and jr. starts school on the 22nd.  He wants to see Metallica pretty badly.  And he'd be happy to see A7X again.  So we'll make a trip of it, go to Mall of America, see some other things, etc.

Having a child who wants to go is definitely some motivation for the trip if you ask me  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 18, 2016, 12:57:53 PM
Mrs. C. has already said "It's really probably not a great idea to do this, but WTH.  That's why we're not going to the beach this year, so we can do things like this instead."  That said, it means we may not be picking up tickets to Bad Company/Joe Walsh.  Unless of course we can't snag tickets to this show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
Way better than a trip to the beach IMO
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 18, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
Which is funny, because I'd rather spend a week at the beach.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 01:36:18 PM
Which is funny, because I'd rather spend a week at the beach.  :lol

Im spoiled, I live close to the Jersey shore.  Which maybe isn't a good thing  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August.  Looks like we're going.

That would be a fun concert

Metallica playing Master of Puppets in full for the 30th anniversary and Avenged Sevenfold playing The Black Album in full..






or Hail To The King as they call it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2016, 04:42:32 PM
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August.  Looks like we're going.

That would be a fun concert

Metallica playing Master of Puppets in full for the 30th anniversary and Avenged Sevenfold playing The Black Album in full..






or Hail To The King as they call it.


The Black Album or Back in Black?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 18, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
I remember one time when my mom came into my room when I was like 9 and looked at my copy of Load and said something like "oh neat, its a lava lamp" referring to the cover.

I looked her dead in the eye and said "yeah, definitely..."

Just be glad she didn't ask "what does a lava lamp have to do with Load?"  :lol

I always thought it was meant to be liquid fire.



Don't ask me how that would work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2016, 05:40:47 AM
Liquid Fire ?


So, a McDonalds coffee ? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 20, 2016, 10:46:00 AM
I want to go so badly. Metallica and A7X are two of my big three bands (DT is the other) and I love Volbeat (the first opener) as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on March 21, 2016, 07:55:46 AM
Well, it's a LOOOONG way for us to go also, and we're most certainly going to fly.  It's August 20th and jr. starts school on the 22nd.  He wants to see Metallica pretty badly.  And he'd be happy to see A7X again.  So we'll make a trip of it, go to Mall of America, see some other things, etc. 

Surly and Town Hall Brewery. Make sure you check out at least one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 21, 2016, 08:17:05 AM
Excellent.  I was going to be looking for a brewery to hit up, so thanks for the info.  Hoping that we will be able to get tix, because I have a feeling this is going to sell out FAST.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2016, 11:01:44 PM
The Four Horsemen remastered-
https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/the-four-horsemen-remastered

I'm doing a side by side comparison with the original CD, and the good news is that there's not much difference in volume. It's a little bit louder, but the original wasn't that loud, so there's still no audible clipping or compression (the kick drum sounds a little clippy, but it actually sounds the same in the original, so I think that's just the production on the original audio). It's a little bit more trebly than the original, which I think has helped the mix all around, because on comparison the original sounds a bit lacking in those mids. The guitars sound a bit thicker, the bass guitar is more prominent, and the kick has a bit more attack to it. It's overall quite subtle, so may not be worth buying if you already have it, but if you don't, this will be good. I always thought Kill 'em All was a very good sounding album for the time anyway, so I don't think it needed a lot of retooling.

So far it appears that they're doing this right. I don't know if their approach will be the same for every album, but I'm still holding out faint hope that they'll remix AJFA, even if it's a bonus disc or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 22, 2016, 01:57:07 AM
ha, I thought they would've done something with the weird delay on the vocal.   gonna listen on headphones later on and see what's what.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 22, 2016, 02:42:06 AM
So far these are just remasters, so nothing like that will be affected. With the exception of AJFA, I don't think they should touch the mixes, because it's how those albums were intended to originally sound.
It will be interesting to hear a remaster of TBA, because I can't imagine they can improve on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
So far these are just remasters, so nothing like that will be affected. With the exception of AJFA, I don't think they should touch the mixes, because it's how those albums were intended to originally sound.
It will be interesting to hear a remaster of TBA, because I can't imagine they can improve on it.

21st Century "remaster" = turn up the volume and treble. ::)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 22, 2016, 07:04:53 AM
So far these are just remasters, so nothing like that will be affected. With the exception of AJFA, I don't think they should touch the mixes, because it's how those albums were intended to originally sound.
It will be interesting to hear a remaster of TBA, because I can't imagine they can improve on it.

21st Century "remaster" = turn up the volume and treble. ::)

Basically. They now assume everyone only listens to albums on their crappy little portable devices in noisy public places, so they smoosh everything into the mids where they know it will be heard on lowest common denominator devices, then crank the volume so it will be heard over all background noise.
One of the worst I've heard was the remastered version of Pantera - Cowboys From Hell, which did exactly that. Turned it into a distorted scratchy mess of unlistenable shit. The original sounded good. I'll stick to that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on March 22, 2016, 08:24:13 AM
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good".  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good".  :lol

This. He used digital amps. Before digital amps were any good like Axe FX.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 22, 2016, 09:32:27 AM
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good".  :lol

He certainly didn't have the best tone, but overall the production was still good, and it worked in context with every other instrument. Regardless, the original release sounds infinitely better than the remaster, and luckily Metallica appear to have avoided the same fate with their remasters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2016, 09:34:06 AM
Apparently Pantera albums sounded great super loud.

So i'll just have to take people's word for it :neverusethis:


I realise they wanted a live band sound but I don't like when there's NO rhythm guitar under a solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 22, 2016, 09:40:31 AM
It really comes down to the situation. When you have a wild guitar solo from someone as distinctive as Dimebag or EVH, and every instrument is playing a unique part, it works well to have no other guitars fighting for space, while still giving room for the drums and bass to shine. Then in a band like Metallica that is so rhythm focused with those thrash riffs and the whole band playing in unison, I think it needs the rhythm guitar because otherwise it would sound lacking and empty because there's not that variety underneath it to then fill that space. There's no one size fits all solution there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 22, 2016, 10:17:17 AM
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good".  :lol
Agreed, but for some reason there are some young metal guitarists that seek that tone. Way too much high-end.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
All bass and treble. Zero mids. Really  digital gain. Awful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 22, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
Gonna reserve judgement 'till it's out in lossless (hopefully on HDTracks). Howie Weinberg is remastering them and he's been completely ruining albums for the last decade or so.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 23, 2016, 10:28:37 AM
All bass and treble. Zero mids. Really  digital gain. Awful.

Imagine if he was still alive and decided to use Axe FX. But his tone made it possible to do that awesome high squeal in Cemetery Gates.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2016, 01:30:08 PM
You just can't beat valves in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 23, 2016, 02:11:21 PM
Tickets to this Minneapolis show are going to go FAST, I do think.  Yikes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2016, 09:10:10 AM
Got 'em.  Not great seats, but they're seats.

Guess we're going to Minneapolis in August.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 24, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
I didn't know they were doing any shows. After watching a few songs from last month's SF gig I'm sorry I found out. Man, talk about not giving a shit. Hetfield sounded great, and Trujillo's the same as always, but Ulrich and Kirk were shockingly bad. Far worse than their usual sloppiness. I'm sure it was plenty fun if you were in the audience, but on video it just makes me sad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 11:38:00 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/pc-zealots-seek-and-destroy-lars-ulrich-at-uc-berkeley.html (https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/pc-zealots-seek-and-destroy-lars-ulrich-at-uc-berkeley.html)

This pisses me off so much.  The first amendment only matters if you agree with it it seems.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on March 26, 2016, 12:50:20 PM
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.

Master of Puppets was a huge step backwards in terms of solos; the only ones I like are James's solo in the title track, all but the main solo in Welcome Home (not-so-coincidentally my favorite track on the album), and the solos in Despicable Heroes and Orion. The remaining solos are all awful, and single-handedly turn what could have been their best album into one that is merely ok. AJFA was a step in the right direction, but the faster solos are still subpar. And don't get me started on Death Magnetic. I would rather have another album with no leads than another DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 26, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
Jame Hetfiel
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 26, 2016, 06:46:35 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/pc-zealots-seek-and-destroy-lars-ulrich-at-uc-berkeley.html (https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/pc-zealots-seek-and-destroy-lars-ulrich-at-uc-berkeley.html)

This pisses me off so much.  The first amendment only matters if you agree with it it seems.
I had read what they had to say about it at Metallica.com, and it seems that The Daily Beast wants to make far more of it than Lars or the others. Honestly, it looked like 3 knuckleheads out of presumably a whole lot more that were actually protesting outside. But hey, any opportunity to rail against PC thuggery and violence.

And honestly, who's more concerning, the 3 nitwits disrupting a speaking event or the guy who wanted one of them shot?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 28, 2016, 08:00:51 AM
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.

Master of Puppets was a huge step backwards in terms of solos; the only ones I like are James's solo in the title track, all but the main solo in Welcome Home (not-so-coincidentally my favorite track on the album), and the solos in Despicable Heroes and Orion. The remaining solos are all awful, and single-handedly turn what could have been their best album into one that is merely ok. AJFA was a step in the right direction, but the faster solos are still subpar. And don't get me started on Death Magnetic. I would rather have another album with no leads than another DM.

Kirk's solos on TBA are fantastic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 28, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.

Sorry. You lost me at the bolded part. IMO, The Call of Ktulu is one of Kirk's finest solos. It floors me every time I hear it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2016, 01:26:30 PM
IMO - Whenever James records a solo - it's one of - if not THE BEST solos on the album.

This is definitely true on Death Magnetic. Both his slow solo  and first half of the fast Suicide & Redemption solo are really good then Kirk just steams in wah-ing like crazy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on March 28, 2016, 04:41:12 PM
I agree. It might just be that I typically prefer slow, deliberate solos that fit in with the song to shreddy stuff, but I always appreciate James's solos, while Kirk's are often just there for me. Not to say that Kirk doesn't have some classic solos, like the One solo, but many of his are not that interesting.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2016, 05:32:26 PM
I don't think Kirk has one great solo on Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
I don't think Kirk has one great solo on Death Magnetic.

Sometimes I wonder if Kirk's solos on DM were a passive aggressive attack for not letting him do solos on St. Anger.

"Oh you guys didn't want solos and now you do? Let's see you how like these solos"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on March 28, 2016, 05:59:15 PM
Honestly, I would be totally fine with Metallica writing an album of quality music without any guitar solos. That doesn't even register with me when thinking of "what is wrong with St. Anger?"

The Black Album without solos would still be a good album, and St. Anger with solos would still be a bad album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2016, 06:04:06 PM
Honestly, I would be totally fine with Metallica writing an album of quality music without any guitar solos. That doesn't even register with me when thinking of "what is wrong with St. Anger?"

The Black Album without solos would still be a good album, and St. Anger with solos would still be a bad album.

I agree about DM, I was just referencing Kirk being openly angry about not having solos.

But I also think his good solos add a lot to a song. Unforgiven without the solo, or Fade to Black etc, just loses a little.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on March 28, 2016, 06:54:05 PM
Yeah, I got what you were referring to, I just wanted to comment on the complaint about SA lacking solos. The complaint from other people, I totally get why Kirk would complain about that.

Oh, no doubt that his good solos add to songs like Unforgiven or Fade to Black. Kirk's good solos definitely add to their songs. When he's good, he can be quite good. When he's off or apathetic, though...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2016, 06:54:46 PM
Yeah, I got what you were referring to, I just wanted to comment on the complaint about SA lacking solos. The complaint from other people, I totally get why Kirk would complain about that.

Oh, no doubt that his good solos add to songs like Unforgiven or Fade to Black. Kirk's good solos definitely add to their songs. When he's good, he can be quite good. When he's off or apathetic, though...

I agree with all of that. Wanna hug? I think we should hug.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 28, 2016, 06:57:28 PM
Me and 425 are already throwing a party but you can join us if you want.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on March 28, 2016, 08:11:18 PM
Wow, I'm just agreeing with everyone today! I'm so unused to this! Yes, hugs, yes, parties, yes all around! :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2016, 09:24:07 PM
They should ban Kirk from the recording room, and just have Hetfield record all of the solos. Does Hetfield have a bad solo? He's not a shredder, so he writes melodic memorable lead lines, and did a lot of the awesome layered harmony sections.
I listened to DM again yesterday, and every single Kirk solo is beyond cringey. Out of time, unintentionally atonal slop. They should have trimmed every song to TBA length instead of artificially extending everything to pretend they're recording another MOP/AJFA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2016, 04:10:16 AM
Plus whenever Kirk gets asked about the new album ( whichever album it is ) - he always talks absolute bullshit.

St. Anger was "like meshuggah"

Death Magnetic "was very middle eastern sounding with phrygian and harmonic minor riffs and solos all over it and is like And Justice For All."

"[The new album] is 90% done..." a figure he later admitted to making up on the spot.


Nothing Kirk says about a new album is ever remotely true. Either he's doing it on purpose to be a dick or he's completely fried in the head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2016, 04:13:47 AM
I don't think Kirk knows what's going on. :lol I just get flashbacks to Some Kind of Monster where he's bitching about people wearing Hawaiian shirts and getting frustrated because he can't learn a riff.

Metallica released the remastered version of Creeping Death. I haven't done a direct comparison as I did with The Four Horsemen, but again it doesn't sound too different to my ears.
https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/creeping-death-remastered
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2016, 04:22:57 AM
Golly I wonder if Metallica are releasing these because they're on their own label now and own all the rights to their own music and are still paying for Orion Music and Through The Never movie ?

 :biggrin:



EDIT : I remember that article that said Orion and Thru The Never movie cost so much that Metallica *need* to tour every year to recoup all the losses.

Although I was confused about how the members of Metallica can be multi millionaires and how Metallica the band can be in the red ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on March 29, 2016, 04:55:23 AM
St. Anger was "like meshuggah"

I can't even fathom... what even... what? Had Kirk even heard Meshuggah at the time?

Speaking of Kirk and Meshuggah, do you remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLMtuUTUDIM
Kirk soloing over Meshuggah doesn't really work. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 29, 2016, 05:11:26 AM
Metallica released the remastered version of Creeping Death. I haven't done a direct comparison as I did with The Four Horsemen, but again it doesn't sound too different to my ears.
https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/creeping-death-remastered

... just sounds louder.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2016, 05:18:12 AM
I just did a proper comparison, and realized how much louder it is. The original was an older CD, so it had a DR of 13. This version had a DR of 7, which isn't what I'd call bad, but not what I'd call amazing. It's ok. It is a little odd that they boosted this one by so much, but not KEA. I prefer the sound of the original CD in this case, although the new one isn't a travesty.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 29, 2016, 07:16:20 AM
Jumping backwards in conversation slightly, I'd attribute Kirk's lackluster solos on DM mainly to no one being in the room that helped guide him correctly. Maybe the Kirk of the RTL, MOP, etc... era didn't need that, but it certainly seems that nowadays Kirky could use a good producer that would be willing to work toward well thought out, structured solos that add to the song, not just make noise because its "a guitar solo section".

In watching the Making Magnetic stuff it seems like Lars had a big influence on the solos, here's a crazy thought, maybe have James sit in the room as well? You know, like an actual guitar player with actual feel for the instrument? Or, even crazier still, maybe have a proper producer (cough, cough, Bob Rock) that would be willing to push Kirk to create some better stuff.

Metallica released the remastered version of Creeping Death. I haven't done a direct comparison as I did with The Four Horsemen, but again it doesn't sound too different to my ears.
https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/creeping-death-remastered

... just sounds louder.

Yep, just louder. I think the appeal of these packages will definitely be the previously unreleased bonus material and not so much the remasters themselves.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2016, 07:39:38 AM
MoP was one of the first albums I ever started learning to play on the guitar, so for me, the solos on it are quite memorable and cool.  I always especially liked the solo on Leper Messiah, with the arpeggios in the beginning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on March 29, 2016, 07:44:15 AM
In watching the Making Magnetic stuff it seems like Lars had a big influence on the solos, here's a crazy thought, maybe have James sit in the room as well? You know, like an actual guitar player with actual feel for the instrument? Or, even crazier still, maybe have a proper producer (cough, cough, Bob Rock) that would be willing to push Kirk to create some better stuff.

I remember when in a Classic Albums episode on TBA, Bob Rock kept making Kirk do takes of the 'Unforgiven' solo. It took a while, but the final take was a really great solo. The guy is good when he's pushed, he just rests on his laurels too much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 29, 2016, 07:51:24 AM
In watching the Making Magnetic stuff it seems like Lars had a big influence on the solos, here's a crazy thought, maybe have James sit in the room as well? You know, like an actual guitar player with actual feel for the instrument? Or, even crazier still, maybe have a proper producer (cough, cough, Bob Rock) that would be willing to push Kirk to create some better stuff.

I remember when in a Classic Albums episode on TBA, Bob Rock kept making Kirk do takes of the 'Unforgiven' solo. It took a while, but the final take was a really great solo. The guy is good when he's pushed, he just rests on his laurels too much.

Exactly, that clip is a great example... Bob literally pushes Kirk to perform the best solo he possibly can to fit and add to the song.

MoP was one of the first albums I ever started learning to play on the guitar, so for me, the solos on it are quite memorable and cool.  I always especially liked the solo on Leper Messiah, with the arpeggios in the beginning.

No doubt, I don't argue that Kirk's early stuff wasn't great, I think it was. Some of his best work came from RTL and MOP. It just seems like at this point in his career, he's not just going to walk into the studio and rip that kinda stuff out. It seems like he needs a push in the right direction, that's all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 30, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
I don't think Kirk has one great solo on Death Magnetic.

The Unforgiven III is pretty solid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LudwigVan on April 02, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
Controversial opinion but I think Load beats the holy crap out of Death Magnetic.   Looking back on their career, they've been accused of selling out with each successive album, but I see it as the other way round. It took balls for them to move in the direction they did, and I think they knew that. Looking back at that band photo on the back of the Load album, it was very provocative. I'll be the first to admit that when I first saw that photo, I was taken aback as I'm sure a lot of fans were.  It was a big WTF moment for me. Alternica had become a big sellout. But the greasy slicked back hair, big collar print shirts, Fedora and cigars was like a little F you we'll do whatever we want to their fanbase. And that passion and sentiment showed through in the quality of the music on Load.

DM on the other hand shows me a band that has been beaten down. Beaten down by the media, the fans, the music business, their producers...to the point of submission where they were basically cowed into trying to recreate past glories in AJFA and MOP. So while the album does manage to recreate the Metallica sound of that particular era, it all comes across as manufactured, lifeless and clinical. With DM, I feel like the band was neutered. The music leaves me cold.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2016, 12:15:41 AM
Not sure how controversial that is on DTF (since Load seems to get some like here), but I agree entirely. I relistened to DM only the other day, and I do find it consistently enjoyable for the most part, but it's a step backwards, and it sounds incredibly forced, and they just can't play that kind of music well at all any more. It sounds like it was written to pander to the thrash fans.
Load and Reload are both inconsistent albums, but the good material is excellent, and among my favourite Metallica music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 02, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
but it's a step backwards

From St. Anger? I think that album was awful. DM was definitely a step in the right direction from there IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
A step backwards creatively.

St Anger may have been like WTF? But at least it was nothing like they'd done before.

Death Magnetic felt like an attempt to revisit former glories.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 02, 2016, 02:17:03 PM
A step backwards creatively.

St Anger may have been like WTF? But at least it was nothing like they'd done before.

Death Magnetic felt like an attempt to revisit former glories.

Exactly how creative is St Anger though? I find DM to be musically a lot more interesting than SA, which to me is all shock and edginess, but nothing to say beneath all that. Just because it was new, doesn't mean it was creative.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 02, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
Honestly, I think the interesting thing about DM is that it's a more mature look at their sound circa AJFA. Mature being a relative term, but still. I think it's certainly more creative than SA, because it is creative in the sense that they created good songs, while SA is creative in the Yoko Ono sense in which they did some weird stuff that made it nearly unlistenable. To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to. SA is novel and really bad. DM is not novel at all, but it's good (top 3 Metallica for me behind RTL and AJFA). So for me, the goodness of DM far outweighs its lack of novelty.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 02, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Honestly, I think the interesting thing about DM is that it's a more mature look at their sound circa AJFA. Mature being a relative term, but still. I think it's certainly more creative than SA, because it is creative in the sense that they created good songs, while SA is creative in the Yoko Ono sense in which they did some weird stuff that made it nearly unlistenable. To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to. SA is novel and really bad. DM is not novel at all, but it's good (top 3 Metallica for me behind RTL and AJFA). So for me, the goodness of DM far outweighs its lack of novelty.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on April 02, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Great to see the love for DM!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Remember those guys who re-recorded SA with better quality, better performances and editing their songs?

Yea, that was the wrong album for that. They should have done DM. I feel like if that album is edited down, re-recorded with better quality and MUCH better performances on drums and lead guitar that it would be quite a bit better, also vocal harmonies would help. But the performances and quality on DM are just really bad on Lars and Kirk's parts.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2016, 07:34:55 PM
A step backwards creatively.

St Anger may have been like WTF? But at least it was nothing like they'd done before.

Death Magnetic felt like an attempt to revisit former glories.



Yep, that. SA was more creative than DM because it was new ground, and they were exploring new ways of writing and recording. The result was mostly ass, but that's because the different direction was off base and was a failed experiment.
DM is the much better album of the two, but that's because they played it safe by retreading the past. The problem with that is when I hear it, it just makes me want to listen to all of their far superior albums that they're attempting to emulate.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on April 02, 2016, 09:45:18 PM
I gotta speak up for St Anger.  I freakin LOVE that album.

Yes, the tin can snare sounded terrible, and I really wish that Lars would have at least fixed just that one thing to make it more listenable...and the studio run-through on the DVD sounded better than the album.   But I actually like that album far more than The Black Album.    :metal 

TBA is to SA what a toy poodle is to a rabid junkyard dog.   

Death Magnetic has good songs....but became boring to me very quickly.   I really liked it at first, but I never listen to it any more.   And I especially love that remake of St Anger that those guys did.  I think it really shows how those songs shine when they are recorded a bit better.   (I only wish they hadn't edited down the tracks so much)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on April 03, 2016, 01:30:20 AM
To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to.

That's an interesting way of looking at it, though I'm not sure I can agree with it.  I suppose it just comes down to how you define the word 'create', so maybe this is just a pointless semantic disagreement, but I tend to think that creativity has more to do with originality than quality. 

Look beyond art for a moment and think about creativity in a wider scope.  Think about math, for instance.  In mathematics, efficient problem-solving might involve using a calculator or applying a formula.  Creative problem-solving, on the other hand, is when you don't have a calculator and you don't know the formula, so you have to figure it out on your own.  And it might not go well.  Maybe you will end up with the wrong answer.  Or maybe you'll get the answer right, but your method will involve ten times as many steps as the most efficient formula.  In that case, the formula is probably a much better way of solving the problem.  But there's nothing creative about that neat little formula.  The piece of scratch paper with bizarre combinations of numbers and symbols frantically scribbled all over it?  That's creative. 

In my opinion, Death Magnetic is a much better album than St. Anger.  But it is also a lot closer to the original Metallica formula. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 03, 2016, 03:59:48 AM
I think the similarity between DM and the first few Metallica albums is overstated. You wouldn't see anything like Cyanide or All Nightmare Long on MoP.

And I especially love that remake of St Anger that those guys did.  I think it really shows how those songs shine when they are recorded a bit better.   (I only wish they hadn't edited down the tracks so much)

tbh I didn't particularly like that either. IMO St Anger is mostly unsalvageable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on April 03, 2016, 05:50:53 AM
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.

Master of Puppets was a huge step backwards in terms of solos; the only ones I like are James's solo in the title track, all but the main solo in Welcome Home (not-so-coincidentally my favorite track on the album), and the solos in Despicable Heroes and Orion. The remaining solos are all awful, and single-handedly turn what could have been their best album into one that is merely ok. AJFA was a step in the right direction, but the faster solos are still subpar. And don't get me started on Death Magnetic. I would rather have another album with no leads than another DM.

Kirk's solos on TBA are fantastic.

Actually they are way too samey just like the drums. AJFA has his best lead work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2016, 06:44:46 AM
IMO Kirk's best solos are on RTL. Very melodic and memorable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 03, 2016, 06:48:20 AM
I find Kirk's solos to be of very similar quality up to and including TBA. He was never a great guitarist, but all of those solos were strong. There are still some great solos on Load/Reload too, but he was more out of his element in that style, and he has thoroughly sucked wang since then. DM is a trainwreck as far as the solos go, drumming too.

And Hetfield is easily the best guitarist in the band. His melodic lead sections were the best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on April 03, 2016, 06:57:31 AM
I really like most of Kirk's solos, Ride the Lightning was the best Kirk album though IMO.

I bet on any given day Ride and Justice could swap around in rankings, they're that closely tied for #1 and 2, but I think Kirk's soloing is far superior on RtL. My favorite solos from both Master of Puppets and ...And Justice For All aren't even Kirk's solos :lol

About the DM debate, it doesn't get a lot of love, fair enough. How does it sound similar to their early albums in any way other than it mainly being thrash metal though? I don't get it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2016, 08:11:35 AM
I find Kirk's solos to be of very similar quality up to and including TBA. He was never a great guitarist, but all of those solos were strong. There are still some great solos on Load/Reload too, but he was more out of his element in that style, and he has thoroughly sucked wang since then. DM is a trainwreck as far as the solos go, drumming too.

And Hetfield is easily the best guitarist in the band. His melodic lead sections were the best.

In terms of overall talent it goes -

1. Hetfield. Can play drums, bass, guitar and piano. Can also sing. Less so live but easily the best vocalist of the Big 4.

2. Rob Trujillo. Can play guitar and bass. Not a great vocalist but good at gang vocals.

3. Lars Ulrich. Yes he is easily better at live drumming than Kirk is at live lead guitar. Controversial but Kirk never nails a solo live. Never. Lars is WAY better now than he was in 2004. Has done vocals

in the past. Decent voice. Lars had admitted to practicing a lot more than he used to. I think it shows. He's not perfect but has improved since 2006 or so.

4. Kirk. Rhythm Ok. Awful lead playing. Tone deaf singer.  Although surprisingly good at gang vocals. Probably had tips from Hetfield.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on April 03, 2016, 08:19:22 AM
I find Kirk's solos to be of very similar quality up to and including TBA. He was never a great guitarist, but all of those solos were strong. There are still some great solos on Load/Reload too, but he was more out of his element in that style, and he has thoroughly sucked wang since then. DM is a trainwreck as far as the solos go, drumming too.

And Hetfield is easily the best guitarist in the band. His melodic lead sections were the best.

In terms of overall talent it goes -

1. Hetfield. Can play drums, bass, guitar and piano. Can also sing. Less so live but easily the best vocalist of the Big 4.

2. Rob Trujillo. Can play guitar and bass. Not a great vocalist but good at gang vocals.

3. Lars Ulrich. Yes he is easily better at live drumming than Kirk is at live lead guitar. Controversial but Kirk never nails a solo live. Never. Lars is WAY better now than he was in 2004. Has done vocals

in the past. Decent voice. Lars had admitted to practicing a lot more than he used to. I think it shows. He's not perfect but has improved since 2006 or so.

4. Kirk. Rhythm Ok. Awful lead playing. Tone deaf singer.  Although surprisingly good at gang vocals. Probably had tips from Hetfield.

No probs with any of that except that Anthrax's Bush (clearly) and Belladonna would count as stronger vocalists than Hetfield in my book.....Joey does a fair Steve Perry impersonation actually.  I would rather listen to Hetfield than Belladonna in many cases but technically I think the latter is a superior vocalist.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2016, 08:46:11 AM
That's funny Brent. You are definitely not the first person to put Belladonna and Perry in the same sentence. They've been saying that for ages. But I have seriously never listened to Belladonna and have ever thought of Steve Perry. Ever!

To me, Hetfield is Perfect. he's definitely worked on his craft, and is an amazing front man.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on April 03, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
That's funny Brent. You are definitely not the first person to put Belladonna and Perry in the same sentence. They've been saying that for ages. But I have seriously never listened to Belladonna and have ever thought of Steve Perry. Ever!


I never listen to Joey in Anthrax and think of Steve Perry at all.  Ever ! :lol He just happens to warm up to (or cover) Steve Perry occasionally and from what I have seen he's no Steve Perry , but he does have more ability than he displays in Anthrax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7E_ve5zCQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZD7pw6t_uA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 03, 2016, 11:56:56 AM
Hetfield has the best timbre of anyone of the big four singers and his sense of pitch and melody is great as well. His vocals are fairly accessible which is a big part of why Metallica has had the most mainstream success of the four bands.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2016, 12:06:20 PM
Yeah and Tom Araya is the worst.

All he does is shout and it's nearly the same vocal rhythm for every song.

Verse = " 1 2 3 !  1 2 3 !  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ! " repeat x4

Chorus = " 12345!!!!!!! " repeat x4

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 03, 2016, 01:00:21 PM
The way I see it:

Araya<Turbin<Mustaine<Hetfield<Bush<Belladonna
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 03, 2016, 02:10:32 PM
I wish someone would deprive Kirk of all wah pedals. Never gonna happen though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 03, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
I wish someone would deprive Kirk of all wah pedals. Never gonna happen though.

At this point, honestly, the wah pedal is the only thing making him sound like an awful guitarist and not someone who has no idea how to play at all. Think of all the mistakes you hear from, and all the sloppiness, then keep in mind how much worse it would be without a wah to cover some of it up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 03, 2016, 09:11:52 PM
To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to.

That's an interesting way of looking at it, though I'm not sure I can agree with it.  I suppose it just comes down to how you define the word 'create', so maybe this is just a pointless semantic disagreement, but I tend to think that creativity has more to do with originality than quality. 

Look beyond art for a moment and think about creativity in a wider scope.  Think about math, for instance.  In mathematics, efficient problem-solving might involve using a calculator or applying a formula.  Creative problem-solving, on the other hand, is when you don't have a calculator and you don't know the formula, so you have to figure it out on your own.  And it might not go well.  Maybe you will end up with the wrong answer.  Or maybe you'll get the answer right, but your method will involve ten times as many steps as the most efficient formula.  In that case, the formula is probably a much better way of solving the problem.  But there's nothing creative about that neat little formula.  The piece of scratch paper with bizarre combinations of numbers and symbols frantically scribbled all over it?  That's creative.

I don't 100% disagree with this, but I think there's a fundamental difference between the scenario you're describing and artistic creativity. If you just plug numbers into a given formula, this is not very creative because you didn't create anything. But when you write a song, you did create something. Even if the song is in a similar style to a song you already wrote, so long as it is a fundamentally different song, it is creative. This is definitely true of Death Magnetic. Yes, that album is stylistically at least a cousin of ...And Justice For All: it features long, rhythm-centric metal songs, often with multiple musical motifs. And at times it uses a song structure similar to one from AJFA—The Day That Never Comes and One, for example. But it doesn't rip riffs or melodies, and it doesn't rely too heavily on filling in the blanks from AJFA song structures. To say that DM is equivalent to a mathematics student plugging numbers into a given formula is to sell the work that Metallica did on DM short, I think.

I know a lot of music fans, and especially prog fans, love novelty. Slight tangent: I've started saying that you can categorize prog fans into those who follow the Steven Wilson school of thought and those who follow the Neal Morse school of thought—novelty of output vs. sheer quality of output. I know that the Steven Wilson types love novelty, and novelty can be a good thing, but I brought up what I said about St. Anger partially as a response to the overemphasis on novelty to which that type of thinking can lead. Novelty can be all well and good, but novelty cannot be your standard of quality, because novelty is not necessarily a good thing. When Yoko Ono screams atonally and incoherently into a microphone for several minutes on end, that is novel. Nothing like that has been heard in popular music before. But it's still bad music. And it's not creative, because it doesn't create anything that anyone could reasonably call valuable.

I'm not saying that St. Anger is as non-musical as incoherent screaming, but the incoherent screaming is an extreme to prove a point. Everything novel about St. Anger is something that reduces its quality as music. Mid-tempo metal without guitar solos had been done before 2003. The novel thing about St. Anger is basically that it has awful production, particularly on the snare drum. That doesn't make it good, and it's not creative. It doesn't create anything of artistic value. There's pretty much nothing novel about Death Magnetic, stylistically, but I say it's more creative than St. Anger because in making it, Metallica created some good songs—better songs, IMO, than can be found on St. Anger. And the only thing St. Anger created that Death Magnetic did not was a bad-sounding snare drum.

So I'd say that novelty can be a part of creativity. Something like Images and Words is pretty creative, not just because Dream Theater created some very good music, but also because they created a style of music that hadn't really been heard before. But the latter act of creation actually was the creation of something that a reasonable person could find potentially to be of artistic merit. If I drop a spoon in a garbage disposal, turn it on, record the sound, play it back on loop for 70 minutes and sell that as an album, it might be a novel album, but it's not creative at all, because no reasonable person would say that I created something of value right there. And that would be less creative than A Dramatic Turn of Events, even though A Dramatic Turn of Events is not that novel due to its strong stylistic similarities to Images and Words. But because of that novelty that IAW had, it would be more creative than ADTOE. Again, this is sort of an extreme to prove a point, but I think this is the best way to give an idea of the way I think that novelty plays a role in creativity but cannot be considered to be the whole thing. Your mileage may vary, though.



4. Kirk. Rhythm Ok. Awful lead playing. Tone deaf singer.  Although surprisingly good at gang vocals. Probably had tips from Hetfield.

His rhythm playing ain't that good either, IMO. Isn't Het suspected/known to do most of the rhythm playing on their studio stuff? There's probably a reason for that. And these days, Kirk has a tendency just not to play the songs right—for no good reason. I agree with your ranking because of that: at least Lars tries to play the songs right and usually does so well enough.

And if you want to say that Kirk had some good solos back in the 80s and that therefore his ceiling of talent is higher than Lars, I would reply that Lars did some good drumming back on AJFA in particular. But neither of them is anywhere near the elite level at their particular instrument, and Lars (though he did get lazy) did not get as lazy as Kirk did.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 04, 2016, 02:22:09 AM
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.

Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 04, 2016, 10:09:49 AM
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.

Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.

One of only two songs that Kirk didn't play on with the other being (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth. James also didn't play on that track seeing as it's a bass solo with drums backing it making Lars the only member to play on every song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 04, 2016, 10:40:51 AM
My fave thing on that track is " Bass Solo Take 1 ". . . .. :rollin.

As if it was the one and only take. Nobody thought to go " shall we do another to see if it's any better ? "

It just smacks of 18 year olds in the studio going " lets just say *take 1* and it'll make Cliff sound extra amazing ".

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 04, 2016, 11:01:29 AM
My fave thing on that track is " Bass Solo Take 1 ". . . .. :rollin.

As if it was the one and only take. Nobody thought to go " shall we do another to see if it's any better ? "

It just smacks of 18 year olds in the studio going " lets just say *take 1* and it'll make Cliff sound extra amazing ".

Or they thought it was cute? Or maybe it was the first take.

No need to be cynical to this degree.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on April 04, 2016, 11:37:27 AM
Maybe he had the song all figured out that by the time he actually recorded it, he already knew and felt that it was good enough to end up on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 04, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
Regardless of everyone's take on the take issue, it's such an amazing performance and the song that made me fall in love with bass guitar. I've been playing for almost 11 years now, and I'm still blown away by Anesthesia. Cliff= :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 04, 2016, 01:19:42 PM
It's impressive, but awful IMO. I don't think it should've been on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on April 04, 2016, 01:22:54 PM
It's impressive, but awful IMO. I don't think it should've been on the album.

This. Anesthesia is the only 80s Metallica track I skip every single time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 04, 2016, 08:32:14 PM
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.

Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.

That's what I thought. I mean, I know Hetfield is a better rhythm guitarist than most people, but I think it still says something that they didn't even bother having Kirk play rhythm parts on the albums that he would end up playing live anyway. Seems like at best Kirk doesn't care deeply about his rhythm playing and at worst they (James and Lars) think that him playing the rhythm parts would be detrimental to the quality of the final studio product.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 04, 2016, 08:33:50 PM
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.

Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.

That's what I thought. I mean, I know Hetfield is a better rhythm guitarist than most people, but I think it still says something that they didn't even bother having Kirk play rhythm parts on the albums that he would end up playing live anyway. Seems like at best Kirk doesn't care deeply about his rhythm playing and at worst they (James and Lars) think that him playing the rhythm parts would be detrimental to the quality of the final studio product.

It's just easier to have one guy do it, especially if he wrote most of it anyway. A guitar player as good as James can double or triple his parts much more tightly and faster than having Kirk come in and try to do it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 04, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
It's impressive, but awful IMO. I don't think it should've been on the album.

This. Anesthesia is the only 80s Metallica track I skip every single time.

There are tracks I skip on other albums, but it's the only track I'll ever skip on KEA. It shouldn't have been on the album. It kills the flow and isn't very good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 04, 2016, 10:36:16 PM
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.

Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.

That's what I thought. I mean, I know Hetfield is a better rhythm guitarist than most people, but I think it still says something that they didn't even bother having Kirk play rhythm parts on the albums that he would end up playing live anyway. Seems like at best Kirk doesn't care deeply about his rhythm playing and at worst they (James and Lars) think that him playing the rhythm parts would be detrimental to the quality of the final studio product.

It's just easier to have one guy do it, especially if he wrote most of it anyway. A guitar player as good as James can double or triple his parts much more tightly and faster than having Kirk come in and try to do it.

I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 04, 2016, 10:37:43 PM
Some bands do it, some bands don't.

As far as I know, a band like Iced Earth does it for the same reasons.

Hell, when I recorded my former band's album, I often had one guitar player play both parts because it ended up just sounding a lot tighter.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 04, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
Black Label Society. Zakk plays all the fiddles.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on April 04, 2016, 10:42:36 PM
I think when Helloween were doing the Keeper albums, I think remember reading Kai recorded everything for his songs and Weiki everything for his, bar the credited solos.  I could be way off though.

It probably happens a lot more than what you think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2016, 07:07:19 AM
Yeah, different bands record guitars in different ways depending on the sound they are going for. For that run of "classic" Metallica albums, Het wanted a wall of super tight rhythm guitars. So the best option was for him to just layer himself playing those parts multiple times, it helps that Het is incredibly tight and accurate as a rhythm player.

In contrast, the Loads were about chasing down a different sound, a looser, more hard rock sound. Having a wall of super-precise heavy guitar was not a requirement, so Kirk played rhythm along with Het, sometimes matching his part, sometimes not matching.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 05, 2016, 07:16:56 AM
Yeah, different bands record guitars in different ways depending on the sound they are going for. For that run of "classic" Metallica albums, Het wanted a wall of super tight rhythm guitars. So the best option was for him to just layer himself playing those parts multiple times, it helps that Het is incredibly tight and accurate as a rhythm player.

In contrast, the Loads were about chasing down a different sound, a looser, more hard rock sound. Having a wall of super-precise heavy guitar was not a requirement, so Kirk played rhythm along with Het, sometimes matching his part, sometimes not matching.

There's less doubling, slower tempos, and as you said, it's just a part of that looser rock sound to have two more distinctive guitars playing, rather than the super tight, uptempo doubling of the thrash era. They're such different styles that the different approach made sense. There's no right or wrong way for a band to do it.
Having seen Some Kind of Monster, I'm glad Kirk didn't bother with rhythm on the earlier stuff. :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on April 05, 2016, 07:17:09 AM

I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.

This happens a lot.   The Stones do this a lot, though it depends on the song; for some of them - I'm going to say Beast of Burden, but I could be wrong - it's the very interplay between Wood and Richards that makes the song, so they record it together.  But there are many many songs especially from the 70's, that are all Keith.    Kiss:  most of the recordings from Destroyer on are almost all Paul (or Gene; he plays rhythm on a lot of his songs).   

I think where it happens the most is where the rhythm guitar player is also the singer.   You sometimes need the lead guy to "flesh out" the sound while the rhythm guy is singing.  But in the studio - when you're likely singing later to a track - you can have the rhythm guy do both.

One band I don't know about, but would love to, is AC/DC.    I'd be curious if Mal does all the rhythm on record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 05, 2016, 08:06:07 AM
One band I don't know about, but would love to, is AC/DC.    I'd be curious if Mal does all the rhythm on record.

I don't really have any doubts about ACDC. Malcolm is such a tight and hard (I didn't mean that to sound so sexual) rhythm player, part of one of the best rhythm sections in all of rock, and a main songwriter. You can hear the little differences in nuances even when they're doubling riffs. Angus still has the subtle stylistic bends on single note riffs, and has vibrato on held chords, whereas Malcolm is very even in dynamics and straight up, a tighter picking attack, in a way that is different to what Angus would sound like if he were trying to play it straight up.
I do wonder on Rock or Bust if Angus recorded all guitars though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 10, 2016, 03:29:00 PM
^ all of that.  Mal is the godfather of tight rhythm guitar.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on April 12, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
Listening to remastered Creeping Death, a bit disappointed. I've been wanting this for KEA, RTL, MOP & AJFA since the late 90's, I don't blame the band though, they were probably too focused on not making a loudness war screw up. I wanted this to sound like the Megadeth remasters of the 80's albums which are my absolute favorite remaster of anything, oh well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on April 12, 2016, 11:06:28 PM
Creeping Death live premiere is also included in this sampler, man it's pretty consistent how he fucks up the song's solo since the live premiere :lol
Love the Hammster though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 16, 2016, 08:54:18 AM
So I picked up the remastered version of Ride The Lightning yesterday because why the hell not? It's in my top 5 favorite albums of all time and it was $5.99.

Can't say I regret buying it, but there really is very little difference.

Take a look:
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/RtL_FWTBT_Remstd.jpg)

Makes it kind of pointless to remaster it in the first place. Even the booklet is 98% the same.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on April 16, 2016, 08:58:58 AM
It's not much better, but it is better. At least it doesn't look like DM. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 16, 2016, 09:05:36 AM
It really doesn't sound different to me, but I've seen many a time people making the argument that leveling a track in the remastering process kills the dynamics of the song. I can see those dynamics are gone, but again, it doesn't really sound all that different. Maybe that's a good thing since a lot of remasters do turn it up to 11 and cause really bad clipping.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 16, 2016, 09:14:17 AM
The remastered version doesn't sound too different with more compression, as the original wasn't the most crystal clear recording to begin with. I personally prefer the original version as it sounds more dynamic, but the remaster doesn't sound bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on April 16, 2016, 12:54:26 PM
Zook where did you find it for $5.99?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 16, 2016, 03:11:03 PM
Zook where did you find it for $5.99?

Best Buy

It'll be in a cardboard gatefold. They have the original at $5.99 as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 16, 2016, 03:40:37 PM
Metallica are streaming an in-store tonight for Record Store Day.

I guarantee only staples and not even a hint of anything new.

Even though Lars has said the album is close to completion and "should be done this spring".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on April 16, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
Metallica are streaming an in-store tonight for Record Store Day.

I guarantee only staples and not even a hint of anything new.

Even though Lars has said the album is close to completion and "should be done this spring".
I'm watching now. A friend of mine is there, actually. I wish Kirk could still play.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: lonestar on April 16, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
I've spent so much fucking money at that store, I should've been given a front row seat.



Place is hella sweet actually, they have a massive metal section, divided up into sub-genres. And yes, they even have a prog metal section.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 16, 2016, 10:33:58 PM
I've spent so much fucking money at that store, I should've been given a front row seat.



Place is hella sweet actually, they have a massive metal section, divided up into sub-genres. And yes, they even have a prog metal section.

It must be a massive section if they're willing to waste precious space on prog. :biggrin:

I'll have to check out the video of their performance later. Can you imagine seeing a Metallica show like that? Damn!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 18, 2016, 03:04:45 PM
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?

It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.

Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on April 18, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?

It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.

Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).

Well, it's got the classic line-up with Cliff and the album is actually pretty consistent IMO apart from the bass solo. Also historically very important, it was the first Thrash Metal album while TBA wasn't anywhere near as groundbreaking. I imagine that KEA would have a far greater effect on someone from 1983 than TBA would have on someone from 1991, if both were already familiar with contemporary metal. I may actually agree with you that TBA might be better, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 18, 2016, 04:44:48 PM
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.

I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts.  And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing.  They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 18, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.

I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts.  And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing.  They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.

At this point in time, James is miles ahead of Kirk as a guitar player. He always recorded the rhythm parts because nobody in metal is better at it. The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times but it sounds like one really heavy guitar because his rhythm playing is so tight that he can play the songs consistently every time. Why have someone due something that you can do a million times better? Him playing all rhythm parts simply makes the songs sound better on the record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on April 18, 2016, 11:02:46 PM
The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times

 :huh:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2016, 11:33:26 PM
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?

It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.

Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).

I'd put it way ahead of RTL as an album. Regardless, it's great, and it's part of their thrash era.
But hey, I'd put TBA ahead of all of them, so I'm with you on that one. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 19, 2016, 01:34:01 AM
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.

I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts.  And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing.  They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.

At this point in time, James is miles ahead of Kirk as a guitar player. He always recorded the rhythm parts because nobody in metal is better at it. The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times but it sounds like one really heavy guitar because his rhythm playing is so tight that he can play the songs consistently every time. Why have someone due something that you can do a million times better? Him playing all rhythm parts simply makes the songs sound better on the record.

Yep, totally agree.  I'm just pointing out the idea that for those guys, they put a lot of stock into their rhythm guitar playing - and I think a lot of it has to do with their perceived 'shred' deficit.  At least in the early days.  I think they're both way more comfortable with their respective roles now. 

Are they really tracked twelve times?  I seem to remember an interview with James where he says the AJFA recording taught them that "recording a rhythm part twelve (or so) times doesn't make it heavier".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 19, 2016, 01:54:17 AM
I checked few songs off that performance on Record store day and James sounds terrific. He hit some really high notes there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 19, 2016, 03:24:31 AM
I checked few songs off that performance on Record store day and James sounds terrific. He hit some really high notes there.

You're right!  And Kirk really is horrribleeeeee.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on April 19, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Yeah. I thought Lars was decent, James was very good, Kirk was shite and Robert was good as always.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 19, 2016, 09:31:01 AM
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.

I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts.  And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing.  They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.

At this point in time, James is miles ahead of Kirk as a guitar player. He always recorded the rhythm parts because nobody in metal is better at it. The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times but it sounds like one really heavy guitar because his rhythm playing is so tight that he can play the songs consistently every time. Why have someone due something that you can do a million times better? Him playing all rhythm parts simply makes the songs sound better on the record.

Yep, totally agree.  I'm just pointing out the idea that for those guys, they put a lot of stock into their rhythm guitar playing - and I think a lot of it has to do with their perceived 'shred' deficit.  At least in the early days.  I think they're both way more comfortable with their respective roles now. 

Are they really tracked twelve times?  I seem to remember an interview with James where he says the AJFA recording taught them that "recording a rhythm part twelve (or so) times doesn't make it heavier".

Bob Rock wanted the guitars in the verses to sound like a wall of sound (in a good way) so to achieve that, they tracked six guitars in the left channel and six in the right.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 19, 2016, 09:43:52 AM
I never heard twelve actual guitar tracks (meaning James played the same part twelve times and over dubbed each track on top of one another), on the classic album behind the scenes thing, James talks about how he layered three guitar tracks for the heavy rhythm, left, right, and the thickener. Now, when he recorded those parts, he was played out of multiple amps and cabs, but there's a big difference. There could have easily been 4 mics on 4 different cabs grabbing sound, then being comped into one track on the board, thus creating the "left" guitar part. If James then did that same thing for the right, and the thickener, that would totally 12 mic inputs I guess, but once again, that's different.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 19, 2016, 10:22:49 AM
I seem to remember James saying that pre-black album, they did that 3 track deal, left, right, center but then changed it up for the black album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?

It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.

Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).

Agreed 100%. I don't particularly care much for KEA. Maybe it's just that it's such an immature album lyrically, but I almost never listen to it. Musically it's decent, but RTL was an impressive step up IMO. And The Black Album is definitely superior to KEA. As is DM. And Load probably is, too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 19, 2016, 12:05:23 PM
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?

It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.

Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).

Agreed 100%. I don't particularly care much for KEA. Maybe it's just that it's such an immature album lyrically, but I almost never listen to it. Musically it's decent, but RTL was an impressive step up IMO. And The Black Album is definitely superior to KEA. As is DM. And Load probably is, too.
Are you fan of old school thrash?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 19, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.

Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash

And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse

That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on April 19, 2016, 03:14:13 PM
I never heard twelve actual guitar tracks (meaning James played the same part twelve times and over dubbed each track on top of one another), on the classic album behind the scenes thing, James talks about how he layered three guitar tracks for the heavy rhythm, left, right, and the thickener.

That's what i read too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 19, 2016, 04:39:46 PM
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.

Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash

And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse

That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.

Don't forget Hit the Lights. The only real "deep cuts" on the album that they never really play are (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth and Metal Militia.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?

It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.

Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).

Agreed 100%. I don't particularly care much for KEA. Maybe it's just that it's such an immature album lyrically, but I almost never listen to it. Musically it's decent, but RTL was an impressive step up IMO. And The Black Album is definitely superior to KEA. As is DM. And Load probably is, too.
Are you fan of old school thrash?

No, I'm not, which is probably part of why I'm not so keen on KEA. I appreciate that Ride the Lightning tempered a lot of the thrashiness. I don't really consider any Metallica except KEA to really be straightforwardly thrash. More like thrash-influenced heavy metal.


I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.

Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash

And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse

That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.

And that's fair enough, but I think most of those songs fall short of a majority of the songs on The Black Album and the better half of the songs on Load. I think The Four Horsemen is the only song on KEA that would compete with my top three or four on The Black Album, and it would not compete with my top three or four on Load (I like The Black Album better than Load, but I like my favorites on Load more than my favorites on The Black Album—I think Load could have been a really good 60 minute album and instead it's a pretty good 80 minute album).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 19, 2016, 04:58:59 PM

Don't forget Hit the Lights. The only real "deep cuts" on the album that they never really play are (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth and Metal Militia.

Ironically they played Metal Militia at their most recent gig.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on April 19, 2016, 05:04:15 PM
I'm one of the guys who prefer the Black Album over KEA too.

But i prefer the latter over anything they did after TBA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on April 19, 2016, 05:07:20 PM
Not sure if this is controversial, but speaking of The Four Horsemen: TFH >>>>> Mechanix.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 19, 2016, 05:08:20 PM
The Machanix is shit.

The lyrics are hilariously bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2016, 05:09:58 PM
Agreed completely. The Four Horsemen has good lyrics; Mechanix has silly lyrics. The Four Horsemen is played at a solid mid-tempo; the Dave Mustaine of the 1980s treated Mechanix like a race that he had to run faster than Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 19, 2016, 05:24:05 PM
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.

Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash

And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse

That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.

And that's fair enough, but I think most of those songs fall short of a majority of the songs on The Black Album and the better half of the songs on Load. I think The Four Horsemen is the only song on KEA that would compete with my top three or four on The Black Album, and it would not compete with my top three or four on Load (I like The Black Album better than Load, but I like my favorites on Load more than my favorites on The Black Album—I think Load could have been a really good 60 minute album and instead it's a pretty good 80 minute album).

That's cool. Preferences and all. I was just answering why most fans throw KEA into the bin of classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 19, 2016, 05:42:12 PM
Watching that record store performance now.

Man, it's nice to hear the bass so clearly.

Man, Kirk is awful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 19, 2016, 05:45:59 PM
Yeah. I thought Lars was decent, James was very good, Kirk was shite and Robert was good as always.

Lars got better and Kirk got worse. His solos sound like my brother recording a solo for KrotchRaut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 19, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
Kirk sucks balls.


Also his guitar playing is lousy.


And yes - Lars has been practicing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 19, 2016, 05:59:36 PM
The Four Horsemen's fixed lyrics prove the Metallica made the right decision in getting rid of Dave Mustaine.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2016, 06:25:24 PM
For more reasons than that, Metallica was right to get rid of Dave Mustaine. He was a mess at that time and was definitely more of a liability than an asset. Fortunately he got himself somewhat together and we ended up getting good material from two bands instead of one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2016, 03:54:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iVOnNmVItc

Ride the Lightning from Record Store Day. Lars is SOLID. He's clearly doing *something* right.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2016, 04:06:41 AM
I still haven't gotten around to watching that full performance, so I'll have to go through the rest on that channel.
That song sounded really good. Lars kept the tempo in check, and even though his fills were still a bit sloppy, he didn't lose the rhythm in the process like usual, and was doing a much better job overall. Kirk still sucked, but the rest of the band was tight. That would have been such a great show to see in person.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2016, 04:12:34 AM
I remember watching a show in 2006 - the first show they played Master Of Puppets in full in Germany I think...It was a live webcast.

I was watching with two other people and we kept commenting how much Lars had slipped since the late 90s like he would do a fill at the end of almost every single bar and lose tempo and all this.

The band as a whole in 2004 were embarrassing. Tempo all over the shop - sloppy playing, James had no grit in his voice whatsoever.

They've been getting steadily better since then apart from Kirk unfortunately.

Lars is definitely better at drums now than Kirk is at guitar solos. Lars maybe messes up a few times per show but it's mostly tempo things but Kirk can no longer nail a single solo. . .




....oh and the double bass part in that Ride The Lightning video was spot on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2016, 04:19:56 AM
The double bass didn't sound perfect, but it didn't fall apart like I was expecting. You could see Lars was giving it his all there. They've definitely improved since around DM, except Kirk. I don't think he knows any scales or understands rhythm.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2016, 04:34:51 AM
If it's an injury or arthritis that's stopping him from playing then that's a bummer.

Maybe he should try lighter strings or something.

Usually a 16 bar or more double bass part like that - Lars would slow down considerably towards the end or just not do the double bass for the last 8 or so bars.

He seems to have more stamina these days. Wonder what he's doing. Hopefully not cocaine again :lol

Maybe he gets injected with adrenaline before he hits the stage.


He said recently he's started practicing again - just playing along to music on his headphones. Whatever it is - keep it up !!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on April 28, 2016, 04:50:32 AM
They've definitely improved since around DM, except Kirk. I don't think he knows any scales or understands rhythm.

Kirk actually got lessons from Joe Satriani back in the day, so I bet he's somewhat educated in that regard, opposed to James. I remember James asking Kirk to show him a chord placement on the neck in a Youtube video. Cliff used to be the most educated in music theory and taught the band harmony stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 28, 2016, 07:24:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iVOnNmVItc

Ride the Lightning from Record Store Day. Lars is SOLID. He's clearly doing *something* right.

Lars did sound pretty good there. James sounds great vocally which is always encouraging to hear! RtL is not an easy vocal song for him but his pitch was good, the Het-grit was there, the power was good, etc...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2016, 09:19:38 AM
A few years ago - Lars wouldn't commit to drum fills at all. He'd play them really gently then just come in with a double snare hit on the downbeat so if he went out of time - it wouldn't be very audible

and he'd come back in at the right moment. Also if he made a timing error - he'd over compensate by doing a big long drum fill after it.

He's much better now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on April 28, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.

Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash

And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse

That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.

And that's fair enough, but I think most of those songs fall short of a majority of the songs on The Black Album and the better half of the songs on Load. I think The Four Horsemen is the only song on KEA that would compete with my top three or four on The Black Album, and it would not compete with my top three or four on Load (I like The Black Album better than Load, but I like my favorites on Load more than my favorites on The Black Album—I think Load could have been a really good 60 minute album and instead it's a pretty good 80 minute album).

That's cool. Preferences and all. I was just answering why most fans throw KEA into the bin of classics.

A lot of fans think it's their best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2016, 10:43:17 AM
Not by a long way. The bass solo track alone removes it from that category.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 28, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
Ha. Just watched Hit The Lights from Record Store Day.. Kirk completely messes up and comes in at the wrong time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on April 29, 2016, 06:20:42 AM
Not by a long way. The bass solo track alone removes it from that category.

GASP!!!!

I remember in 1984/85 when we were all just discovering it, that track was considered to be the bass equivalent of "Eruption"!!!  I know **SO MANY** guys who put down their guitar and picked up a bass just because of Anesthesia!!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 29, 2016, 06:37:20 AM
But Eruption opened up a whole new world of guitar playing, Anesthesia not so much. Cliff Burton was good but he was no EVH on bass.

Outside of Jazz and Level 42 bass solos were unheard of, and I think most of the early fascination with Anesthesia comes from this. As a musical piece it lacks severely imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 30, 2016, 12:04:22 PM
Only in music discussion areas as finnicky as DTF will you hear anything negative about it. That solo is universally revered in my own real life experiences talking to metal fans.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2016, 12:17:18 PM
Only in music discussion areas as finnicky as DTF will you hear anything negative about it. That solo is universally revered in my own real life experiences talking to metal fans.
Agreed. Cliff really brought in a new level of bass playing and composition to metal back then. It's easy to look back these days and say: 'meh...it isn't that good', but to understand something in all ways possible one needs to look back to when that was created.

Also, I don't think that the purpose of Anesthesia was ever being a well formed 'musical piece'. If you want that, you can always put Orion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 30, 2016, 07:11:54 PM
Yeah, I'm down with all of that. Honestly, I don't think any of Kill 'em All focused on having entire pieces being written as competent, respected musical pieces. I think they just wanted to make awesome, visceral music that got metal dicks hard and, because Cliff and James were such good writers in the first place, the album came off as a very polished debut given the era, their budget, the relative infancy of its genre, and how early in the band's career it was.

RTL is where you can see the beginning of James' grand vision coming along as it was heavily guided (I assume) by Cliff's melodic mastery. The opening track's intro is a humongous middle finger to metal purism, RTL's solo section is a perfect example of excess in the name of overly ambitious grandiosity (I still like it but modern day folks whom seem to consider themselves experts sure aren't shy about knocking it), Fade is a gem for the ages and a crowning achievement in 80s Metallica's ability to use dynamics to their seeming fullest potential, Creeping Death showed they could have a steamrolling ass kicker that had sophisticated structure and deft flow, and Ktulu does great justice to H.P. Lovecraft's short story without having a single lyric.

Longwinded as the previous paragraph is, I typed it out to point out how RTL seems to have an intentional emphasis on quality writing and composition whereas KEA is just a very enjoyable and well-executed debut without such endeavors so it's pointless to knock Anesthesia for not being a proper song when virtually every popular band has made a short song, instrumental or not, that falls outside of how the average fan would classify the majority of that band's discography.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 30, 2016, 08:23:16 PM
I've defended (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth on these forums on many occasions. It's actually a well composed piece for being mostly improvised. There is a certain progressive aspect to it where the listener (at least me anyway) can hear melodic ideas passing by. You have the slow first section, which shows Cliff's sense of melody and his theory training, using various chord changes and time changes while still maintaining musical flow. Then comes the fast middle section, which shows Cliff's technical ability, using techniques that most bassists simply don't use. Cliff knew his way around the fretboard better than any bassist in metal at the time and could play circles around quite a few metal guitarists including the lead player in the very band he was a part of and he showed off his immense ability in the middle section of the solo. The last part shows Cliff's experimental side, using fingernail scrapes and hitting the strings into the pickups to make a wall of noise that keeps building until it segues into Whiplash. He shows off all three sides of his playing in one piece that's pretty brilliant when you sit back and analyze it. He was a master and this is his crowning achievement.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
Only in music discussion areas as finnicky as DTF will you hear anything negative about it. That solo is universally revered in my own real life experiences talking to metal fans.

Only on DTF have I ever heard anything positive about it. Completely breaks the awesome flow of the album too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on May 02, 2016, 08:36:21 AM
I've defended (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth on these forums on many occasions. It's actually a well composed piece for being mostly improvised. There is a certain progressive aspect to it where the listener (at least me anyway) can hear melodic ideas passing by. You have the slow first section, which shows Cliff's sense of melody and his theory training, using various chord changes and time changes while still maintaining musical flow. Then comes the fast middle section, which shows Cliff's technical ability, using techniques that most bassists simply don't use. Cliff knew his way around the fretboard better than any bassist in metal at the time and could play circles around quite a few metal guitarists including the lead player in the very band he was a part of and he showed off his immense ability in the middle section of the solo. The last part shows Cliff's experimental side, using fingernail scrapes and hitting the strings into the pickups to make a wall of noise that keeps building until it segues into Whiplash. He shows off all three sides of his playing in one piece that's pretty brilliant when you sit back and analyze it. He was a master and this is his crowning achievement.
That is....literally...the best description I have ever seen of that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on May 02, 2016, 08:40:43 AM
Pulling Teeth is amazing, at least better than half the stuff on the album IMO, agreed with basically everything the count said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on May 02, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Pulling Teeth is amazing, at least better than half the stuff on the album IMO, agreed with basically everything the count said.
:rollin
(that's joke, right)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2016, 10:35:20 AM
Pulling Teeth is amazing, at least better than half the stuff on the album IMO.
:rollin
(that's joke, right)


+1 :lolpalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on May 02, 2016, 10:45:14 AM
Let's see...

Motorbreath, No Remorse, Phantom Lord, Metal Militia

Okay not half, but it's close. Maybe I was slightly exaggerating
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on May 02, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
Ranking time:
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Hit the Lights
3. Seek and Destroy
4. No Remorse
5. Whiplash
6. Motorbreath
7. Metal Militia
8. Jump in the Fire
9. Phantom Lord
10. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2016, 10:57:46 AM
Not sure I've ever ranked them before. Let's try....

1. Four Horsemen
2. Seek & Destroy
3. Whiplash
4. No Remorse
5. Motorbreath
6. Jump in the Fire
7. Hi the Lights
8. Metal Militia
9. Phantom Lord
10. Pulling Teeth
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 10:58:14 AM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Seek and Destroy
3. Hit the Lights
4. No Remorse
5. Whiplash
6. Motorbreath
7. Jump in the Fire
8. Metal Militia
9. Phantom Lord
10. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth (what is this turd even doing in the album?)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 02, 2016, 01:34:06 PM
Evidently Kirk got up and played with Elton John in Vegas over the weekend. I'd like to see that for the :lol s
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 02, 2016, 07:07:27 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. No Remorse
3. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
4. Whiplash
5. Jump in the Fire
6. Seek and Destroy
7. Metal Militia
8. Motorbreath
9. Hit the Lights
10. Phantom Lord
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 02, 2016, 07:15:39 PM
Phantom Lord (seriously!)
Hit the Lights
Motorbreath
The Four Horsemen
No Remorse
Whiplash

Seek & Destroy
Jump in the Fire
Metal Militia

Anesthesia
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:19:15 PM
3. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth

 :omg:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: CharlesPL on May 02, 2016, 08:57:32 PM
10. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
9. Seek and Destroy
8. Hit the Lights
7. Jump in the Fire
6. Metal Militia
5. Whiplash
4. Phantom Lord

3. Motorbreath
2. No Remorse
1. The Four Horsemen (top 7 Metallica song in my ranking)


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 03, 2016, 12:02:01 AM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. The rest
10. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth

In all seriousness, I don't know what my ranking is for this album and probably won't know until I do a relisten for the roulette survivor. I know that The Four Horsemen is definitely my favorite, and that I like Jump in the Fire and Phantom Lord a fair bit, so those would probably be the next couple. I don't know though. I don't really love this one.

Edit: I'm always confusing roulette with survivor. And I'm especially out of it tonight so it's no surprise that I did it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 03, 2016, 12:28:47 AM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. The rest
10. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth

In all seriousness, I don't know what my ranking is for this album and probably won't know until I do a relisten for the roulette. I know that The Four Horsemen is definitely my favorite, and that I like Jump in the Fire and Phantom Lord a fair bit, so those would probably be the next couple. I don't know though. I don't really love this one.

I'd pretty much go with your ranking. Jump in the Fire and Seek and Destroy would probably be my 2/3, no idea on the rest, besides last place.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 03, 2016, 12:36:57 AM
Seek and Destroy would probably be my #4.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on May 03, 2016, 07:29:12 AM
Remorse
Militia
Phantom
Lights
Motor
Horse
Whip
Jump
Seek
Bass Solo
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2016, 07:49:58 AM
Haven't listened to Kill Em All enough to rank the tracks but The Four Horsemen is my favourite from it. Just minus the Sweet Home Alabama section :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on May 03, 2016, 08:44:58 AM
I think JITF is one of the best on that album. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 03, 2016, 08:53:49 AM
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on May 03, 2016, 09:07:11 AM
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).

These three are far away from the rest of the album for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2016, 09:09:13 AM
Haven't listened to Kill Em All enough to rank the tracks but The Four Horsemen is my favourite from it. Just minus the Sweet Home Alabama section :p

I really wish they'd put that section back into the song live.

Same with Battery and the section they removed from that. In fact, Metallica should just stop taking sections out of songs live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 03, 2016, 09:46:16 AM
Yup. It sure as hell can't be for time constraints either cuz whatever time is gained from those cuts is more than lost on Kirk jerkin off into a wah pedal at the end of a few songs throughout the set.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 03, 2016, 09:51:35 AM
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on May 03, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).

This being a prog forum, it's very common for the slowest least-thrashy songs to be the most popular. In particular I find S&D very overrated, I like the nice heavy ending but the verses and choruses are boring and drag.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 03, 2016, 10:41:27 AM
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).

This being a prog forum, it's very common for the slowest least-thrashy songs to be the most popular. In particular I find S&D very overrated, I like the nice heavy ending but the verses and choruses are boring and drag.

I was referring to them as the big 2 more in terms of them being played live more often than other KEA songs, and I think those being the two songs from their debut that are most well known across Metallica fans as a whole. I'd definitely have Four Horsemen up there in my personal rankings, but S&D would probably be a little bit lower (though I do still like it).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2016, 01:53:09 PM
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.

I think Lars could currently play any section - maybe not exactly as it was on the album but he could simplify it . He's not *that* bad.

Kirk can barely play *any* solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2016, 02:28:03 PM
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.

I think Lars could currently play any section - maybe not exactly as it was on the album but he could simplify it . He's not *that* bad.

Kirk can barely play *any* solo.

You know, I was walking their live in......Vegas? I dunno, some show in America from 2015 on youtube and it got to the point where Kirk did his "solo". He did some riffage which was.....sure, then he did some AWFUL shredding before doing that high like 19th fret bend and holding the note while the audience goes ABSOLUTELY INSANE cheering him on. So I started asking myself, how bad does he have to get before the live crowd turns on him? As of now, I'm pretty sure he can piss on the fret board while wiping his butt with the fan's money and they'd still applaud immensely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
I keep saying it but Lars now is better at his instrument than Kirk.

Listen to the entire Record Store day from Rasputin. Lars is SOLID bar Hit The Lights.

Kirk is all over the place.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 03, 2016, 03:17:45 PM
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.

I think Lars could currently play any section - maybe not exactly as it was on the album but he could simplify it . He's not *that* bad.

Kirk can barely play *any* solo.

Dyers Eve. I'm not sure Lars can play Dyers Eve.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
He has played it recently. He doesn't do the 16th note double bass in the verse but he can play it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 03, 2016, 03:26:31 PM
Oh, really? Great for him! I guess he probably can play all the catalog, then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2016, 03:33:20 PM
He has played it recently. He doesn't do the 16th note double bass in the verse but he can play it.

Lars can BS his way through the songs. But he simplifies most of them to an insane amount. It's like saying JP can play the glass prison when he skips the arps and solos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Simplifying them but staying in tempo is better than being all over the fucking shop like Kirk is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Kirk can't play ANYTHING cleanly anymore. At all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2016, 04:30:03 PM
Such a shame.

They would never replace him live. But he can't solo anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
Simplifying them but staying in tempo is better than being all over the fucking shop like Kirk is.

Better? No doubt. But he can't play the songs anywhere near how they were written. It's fine, even preferable to him trying and failing, just clarifying.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 04, 2016, 07:02:00 AM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on May 04, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 04, 2016, 12:16:50 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.

Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2016, 12:21:19 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.

Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?

Add to that the concept that intellectually you have moved on to another job in your head (meaning, Kirk is at this point possibly more interested in other music forms, not the form he has been playing in some form or another for the last 35 years). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 04, 2016, 12:22:04 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.

Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?

Personally if it was me, no freaking way I would phone it in, that's not how I'm wired. Everyone's different though...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 04, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.

Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?

Personally if it was me, no freaking way I would phone it in, that's not how I'm wired. Everyone's different though...

Which is probably why a guy like James isn't phoning it in, but it's also his music. It's not Kirk's music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 04, 2016, 01:44:06 PM
Which is probably why a guy like James isn't phoning it in, but it's also his music. It's not Kirk's music.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 04, 2016, 01:51:35 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...

I thought it was well known.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 04, 2016, 03:58:29 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.

Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?

Add to that the concept that intellectually you have moved on to another job in your head (meaning, Kirk is at this point possibly more interested in other music forms, not the form he has been playing in some form or another for the last 35 years).

This is another good point. I've heard him do some bluesy stuff recently and his playing sounded great and fresh. He's probably just burnt out from playing metal for his entire career going all the way back to his days in Exodus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.

Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?

Add to that the concept that intellectually you have moved on to another job in your head (meaning, Kirk is at this point possibly more interested in other music forms, not the form he has been playing in some form or another for the last 35 years).

This is another good point. I've heard him do some bluesy stuff recently and his playing sounded great and fresh. He's probably just burnt out from playing metal for his entire career going all the way back to his days in Exodus.

Not even just playing metal, but the same damn songs all of the time. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2016, 04:36:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVNWcLG15M

James singing MotorBreath acoustic. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 16, 2016, 07:31:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVNWcLG15M

James singing MotorBreath acoustic. :)

Cool video, James' voice is sounding really good these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on May 16, 2016, 09:01:05 AM
Is that acoustic show recording available (not fan shot)?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 16, 2016, 10:00:22 AM
I keep saying it but Lars now is better at his instrument than Kirk.

Listen to the entire Record Store day from Rasputin. Lars is SOLID bar Hit The Lights.

Kirk is all over the place.
I'd find it a tough call. Clearly neither of them give a shit anymore. You check out one of their last shows and it's hard to tell what song Lars is even trying to play. Adami mentioned earlier that Lars simplifies things down to the point of nothingness, and that's on display here. Any time he tries to use the kick drums he falls apart, so he mostly just ignores them (which actually helps).

Viewer discretion is advised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrRGKKharQ#
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2016, 10:29:10 AM
Is that acoustic show recording available (not fan shot)?

I imagine it will be soon.

Keep checking www.livemetallica.com.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2016, 11:53:35 AM

Viewer discretion is advised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrRGKKharQ#

Kirk is absolutely awful there. He doesn't nail a single thing.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on May 16, 2016, 12:48:56 PM

Viewer discretion is advised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrRGKKharQ#

Kirk is absolutely awful there. He doesn't nail a single thing.

How does a guy at that level fuck up that repeating figure at the start of "For Whom The Bell Tolls"??  How many times has he played that??  1,000?  More?   Mofo, please.    Though I don't know the material as good as some of you I didn't think Lars did all that bad.

But what must be said is:  there aren't three guys in metal cooler than James Hetfield.   Bruce Dickinson may still be the standard for metal frontmen, but I'm not sure I can name a better guitar player/lead singer at this point.  I've never seen Metallica live (and resist because I'm not a stadium show guy) but if I do go, it will be to see him.  Period. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 16, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Hetfield is amazing. I so wish the band had more material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 16, 2016, 01:26:36 PM
But what must be said is:  there aren't three guys in metal cooler than James Hetfield.   Bruce Dickinson may still be the standard for metal frontmen, but I'm not sure I can name a better guitar player/lead singer at this point.  I've never seen Metallica live (and resist because I'm not a stadium show guy) but if I do go, it will be to see him.  Period.

Yep. I love Bruce, and I like Iron Maiden better than Metallica, but Bruce isn't cool in the way Het is. He's cool, but in a slightly nerdy way. Hetfield is just cool. There's a lot to be said for the way that he stands in front of these sold-out packed stadiums and just does his thing with an attitude that is somehow both professional and rock star. While I'll admit that a lot of Metallica's publicity photos are eminently uncool, I think James hasn't really lost any of his cool and has maybe gained a bit of gravitas with age when he's up there performing.

In that same "The Night Before" stadium show, where Kirk looks out of it and Lars looks like a crazy old guy trying to keep up with the metal crowd, James is still perfectly in his element.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 16, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
While I share everybody's opinion of James, he's burning through that respect pretty quickly by putting shit like this out there. Given his stature, he's the one that should keeping the knuckleheads in line. At some point pride should kick in, and that has to be embarrassing as hell. Does he not care either?

Unlike Stadler, I've seen them many times. Ranging from when they were an opening act to the last tour. I wouldn't have any interest at this point, though. Even with two of them sucking as bad as they do now, the energy and music at a Met gig is worth the price of admission. At the same time this is just insulting. If they want me to spend my money to see them, they need to put forth some sort of effort to actually play their parts. Frankly, it seems to me that they're treating their fans like suckers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 16, 2016, 02:29:26 PM
Always had a huge respect for Hetfield as a front man. Really good rythm guitar player and his voice is still pretty great.

Speaking of Kirk, kind of surprised how tight he nails the intro to Motorbreath here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDZ3Neho0Qs

Kill ém All, always had a special love for that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on May 19, 2016, 01:27:49 PM
I always wished Hetfield would have done a side project with other (more talented) musicians.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 05, 2016, 12:34:08 PM
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.


So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 05, 2016, 12:37:35 PM
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.


So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .

Yea, Jason brought more energy to any show than I can imagine most people bringing to a single show. And it was always completely authentic. It never felt like he was playing a part, or forcing it, he was just on stage doing his thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 05, 2016, 12:53:52 PM
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.


So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .


Love that show, so badass. Miss Jason mucho
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 05, 2016, 12:59:08 PM
Funny note... my dog totally started going nuts during Fade To Black's riffage. Bitch was moshing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 01:22:33 PM
Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2016, 01:46:13 PM
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.


So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .


Love that show, so badass. Miss Jason mucho

Jason was ALWAYS awesome!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 05, 2016, 02:14:06 PM
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.

The lack of hair is disturbing.


Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?

Yea. Haha
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 06, 2016, 06:12:44 AM
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.

The lack of hair is disturbing.


Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?

Yea. Haha

I hate Cunning Stunts. This was the point when they weren't really playing their old stuff. Hell, even Master of Puppets was only being played up to the end of the second chorus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 06, 2016, 07:28:23 AM
Live Shit is soooo good. Might have to rewatch it myself...

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 07, 2016, 07:32:40 AM
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.

The lack of hair is disturbing.


Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?

Yea. Haha

I hate Cunning Stunts. This was the point when they weren't really playing their old stuff. Hell, even Master of Puppets was only being played up to the end of the second chorus.

I noticed that.  I skipped around to a few specific songs...  Then gave up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Cunning Stunts was what introduced me to the band so I love it.

Plus they were tight and Lars could still play like a boss.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 07, 2016, 06:07:03 PM
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.

The lack of hair is disturbing.


Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?

Yea. Haha

I hate Cunning Stunts. This was the point when they weren't really playing their old stuff. Hell, even Master of Puppets was only being played up to the end of the second chorus.

I noticed that.  I skipped around to a few specific songs...  Then gave up.

Jason's bass/solo doodle is really great on Cunning Stunts. I also dig the Kill/Ride medley but I know why those get a lot of thumbs down (especially on a Dream Theater forum...).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on June 07, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Live Shit is soooo good. Might have to rewatch it myself...

89 is great but IMO you can already see a sharp drop in quality by 92. Huge sections of the show taken up by slow, plodding, unexciting songs; crowd "singalongs", etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on June 08, 2016, 06:34:04 AM
Live Shit is soooo good. Might have to rewatch it myself...

89 is great but IMO you can already see a sharp drop in quality by 92. Huge sections of the show taken up by slow, plodding, unexciting songs; crowd "singalongs", etc.

That's because this is when Metallica turned from being a kick-ass metal band into a business.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 08, 2016, 06:53:42 AM
Yeah I think I'd generally agree. I will say though, I think the peak of their live performances was early on the Black Album tour. Before Het blew his voice out obviously.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 08, 2016, 08:38:37 AM
I don't trust live DVDs. On the Nimes 2009 DVD they've clearly overdubbed perfect double bass where there isn't any if you youTube the same gig via someone's phone. It's not there.

Also - as people on the Metallica forum have pointed out...

They've used the *exact same* vocal track for Mexico City 2009 and Nimes 2009 Fade To Black...

Everything can be overdubbed and quantised and tuned afterwards.

I love seeing clips of Metallica DVDs on YouTube and a comment saying " PROOF they're still as good as they were ".

Well no.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 08, 2016, 10:03:18 AM
Yeah man, stuff like that makes the 91 Moscow gig even better though. Direct broadcast, you know they weren't touched up, you hear everything, mistakes and all. And it's glorious.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/finally_new_metallica_album_apparently_recorded_band_now_in_mixing_stage.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/finally_new_metallica_album_apparently_recorded_band_now_in_mixing_stage.html)

Metallica 10 may actually be happening. I hope it's good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
Yeah the Metallica forum has been talking about this for a week or so. Looks like the mixing stage is upon us, and I think Lars said in the month of June they will sit down and pick final songs, titles, album title etc... So it seems like a fall 2016 release is likely.

Kotowboy posts over on the Metallica forum a good bit, he could probably share more info if there is more, but I think that's about it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 13, 2016, 04:58:09 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/finally_new_metallica_album_apparently_recorded_band_now_in_mixing_stage.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/finally_new_metallica_album_apparently_recorded_band_now_in_mixing_stage.html)

Metallica 10 may actually be happening. I hope it's good.

I'm so excited! I also hope it's good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 13, 2016, 06:48:32 PM
Yeah the Metallica forum has been talking about this for a week or so. Looks like the mixing stage is upon us, and I think Lars said in the month of June they will sit down and pick final songs, titles, album title etc... So it seems like a fall 2016 release is likely.

Kotowboy posts over on the Metallica forum a good bit, he could probably share more info if there is more, but I think that's about it.

That's all I know too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2016, 06:54:46 PM
If you had asked even 15 years ago whether it's possible to be not at all excited for a new Metallica album, I'd say no way. I don't think I've ever seen a band work so hard to quell interest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 13, 2016, 07:05:50 PM
I'm excited. 


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2016, 07:13:39 PM
If you had asked even 15 years ago whether it's possible to be not at all excited for a new Metallica album, I'd say no way. I don't think I've ever seen a band work so hard to quell interest.

I honestly just think that it's going to be more like Lords of Summer. I liked Death Magnetic and Beyond Magnetic. I think there are some really good songs on that album and EP, but I don't feel an urgent need for more of the exact same. Especially when they clearly don't even believe in those songs enough to play them anymore.

I mean, if that's what it is (and I suspect it will be), hopefully we'll get some good songs out of it. If that's what it is, and it's as good as Death Magnetic, my expectations will be completely met and I'll be totally happy with it. But I'm hoping for something at least a little different.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2016, 07:16:35 PM
I didn't say no one can be excited, I said I don't think I've seen a band work so hard to make sure no one was excited. Metallica is definitely doing that.

From just putting it off over and over and over for years, to the way they discuss the album "yea, it'll be done whenever, I dunno we got other things to do instead". I sense literally 0% excitement from the band when I read interviews about the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on June 13, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
Yeah, they definitely don't seem to be prepared to put much hype behind it, at least not so far. 

Nevertheless, I'm excited. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2016, 07:19:05 PM
That's definitely true. I don't know why they'd make a new album if they didn't want to, though, given that they can tour on the KEA-TBA material until the end of time if they want.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 13, 2016, 11:27:11 PM
That's definitely true. I don't know why they'd make a new album if they didn't want to, though, given that they can tour on the KEA-TBA material until the end of time if they want.

I think it's mainly due to the pressure of the fans.  People keep wanting Metallica more and more to release music.  However, if Metallica does a lengthy year-long arena tour in 2017 and they play like 5-6 songs from the new album, people are going to whine and complain that they are playing too much new material and want to hear the classics, even though Metallica's been doing that on and off for like 5 years now and their setlists have gone super stale now at this point.  People can be pretty fickle if that would be the case.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on June 14, 2016, 03:34:00 AM
Yep, people will talk shit about Metallica whatever they decide to do. But I'm hoping for a new album and a tour that features new songs, they've been playing the same old stuff for way too long and I can't believe some people would prefer hearing them over and over again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on June 14, 2016, 03:46:59 AM
Considering how phoned in Death Magnetic was, the worst kind of album where you make an album only to please the fans and with zero passion or enthusiasm (and it shows) I can't say I'm that excited about a new Metallica album. But even DM aside, before that you had St. Anger and it has been a LONG time since we got anything good from them. I'd say parts of ReLoad and all of Load is good, but that's still 20 years ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 14, 2016, 03:53:14 AM
I don't get the feeling they've been inspired to write a new classic, all I'm really hoping for is an album that's more suited to their current level of ability, and with listenable production. If they manage that, it should turn out ok. I haven't had any expectations from a new Metallica album in the time I've been listening to them, so my hopes aren't set too high.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 14, 2016, 04:00:12 AM
I'd like to hear some passion on the new album. If it's Load 3, I'm all for it. DM, to me, feels really uninspired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 04:37:10 AM
James Hetfield : " We're mixing the album now and it will be out in the Fall. "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on June 14, 2016, 06:52:09 AM
Count me in as one who is not all that excited for the new album. It's pretty clear that at this point in their careers that there is little to no passion to actually create new music. When you're last truly great album is a collection of covers and came out almost 20 YEARS AGO then it's hard to stay passionate about a band. Honestly, based on the last 20 years of their career I think Metallica have turned into one of the most overrated bands. They're contemporaires (Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax) have all been putting out solid music that surpasses anything Metallica has done since 1988.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 14, 2016, 07:38:22 AM
Honestly, I'm not too excited about a new album, but even if they continue with the caliber of songs on DM and actually put out a good sounding record with good production, I'll enjoy it.

My love for what Het does both on guitar and vocally will allow me to enjoy it to a degree. To this day, I still think it's a shame Het wasn't able to surround himself with other great musicians, think of what he could have done with truly great players.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 09:26:58 AM
Honestly, I'm not too excited about a new album, but even if they continue with the caliber of songs on DM and actually put out a good sounding record with good production, I'll enjoy it.

My love for what Het does both on guitar and vocally will allow me to enjoy it to a degree. To this day, I still think it's a shame Het wasn't able to surround himself with other great musicians, think of what he could have done with truly great players.

That or a solo album at least. Their no side projects rule is stupid. As if Kirk will go off and make a solo album with other musicians and decide he likes it more and quits Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on June 14, 2016, 09:36:26 AM
Rubin is producing again right? That pretty much guarantees that it will sound like shit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 14, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
Rubin is producing again right? That pretty much guarantees that it will sound like shit.

Surely they'd have to be completely oblivious to release another album that sounds that awful given DM's reputation.
But thanks for reminding me that Rubin is still involved. :(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 09:46:47 AM
No Rubin is *NOT* Producing.


It's Greg Fidelman. Who produced the Ronnie Rising cover, the Through The Never live audio and Slipknot's most recent album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 14, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
Wikipedia mentions both, but I haven't been following who has had what input.
It doesn't mean much to me who produced a cover, I'm more concerned about the influence on the songwriting process.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 14, 2016, 09:54:00 AM
As far as I know, Kotowboy is right. Rubin is not involved. Which is a good thing.

Greg's production on Ronnie Rising and TTN was good, hopefully that holds true.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
There's loads of studio pics from the band and Rick is not in any of them.

Also - Kirk confirmed recently that Greg is the producer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 14, 2016, 09:56:48 AM
There's loads of studio pics from the band and Rick is not in any of them.

Also - Kirk confirmed recently that Greg is the producer.

Good news! Or at least, the absence of bad news. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 14, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
The people who aren't excited about it are the people who will probably enjoy it the most hahaha
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
The people who aren't excited about it are the people who will probably enjoy it the most hahaha

I sure hope so. I got into Metallica 18 years ago at least. They started me on my musical path when I was a kid. I would love to enjoy their new album, but I don't expect I will.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 14, 2016, 10:59:30 AM
I agree with what some people have been saying in this thread- they don't seem excited to release new music. It seems like a chore to them when they discuss it. That just doesn't seem like a good sign...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 14, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
The Un4given: Scenes From a Drudgery
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2016, 11:46:39 AM
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If we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.

From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on June 14, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
I want to get excited but I'm afraid.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 12:37:10 PM
The Un4given: Scenes From a Drudgery

The Un4gIVen....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
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If we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.

From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!

He's just saying they don't want to sit in the studio for 2 years to force out an album.

Taking regular breaks keeps it fresh.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2016, 02:20:48 PM
Quote
If we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.

From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!

He's just saying they don't want to sit in the studio for 2 years to force out an album.

Taking regular breaks keeps it fresh.

Oh come on. I think, given the obvious context of their recent career, that you can't break down what he said into that.

He's also implying it takes them an entire year to write an album and then another entire year to record one. Most bands can do all of that in a year or less.

Also, I'm a huge Metallica fan. Will always be. But absolutely nothing they have done since S&M (or Garage Days, forgot which came second) could possibly be described as keeping it fresh.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2016, 02:38:12 PM
But the Black Album was 9 months of tracking. So .... . . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
But the Black Album was 9 months of tracking. So .... . . .

Yes, to tape.

Sorry man, there's just no way you can justify anything Metallica is currently doing or saying as "keeping it fresh".

I mean, if you're reading what they're saying and looking at the situation and thinking "Damn, these guys have a strong passion to make music" then we are obviously reading different things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on June 14, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
Metallica don't care about hyping because they know regardless of how good the album is, it'll still sell a million copies in the first week.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
Metallica don't care about hyping because they know regardless of how good the album is, it'll still sell a million copies in the first week.

A very good point. And they know that even if it flops, they'll sell out huge tours playing the same songs they've played for 20-30 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 14, 2016, 06:44:38 PM
Quote
If we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.

From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!

He's just saying they don't want to sit in the studio for 2 years to force out an album.

Taking regular breaks keeps it fresh.

Oh come on. I think, given the obvious context of their recent career, that you can't break down what he said into that.

He's also implying it takes them an entire year to write an album and then another entire year to record one. Most bands can do all of that in a year or less.

I think it does take them that long. I think they're clearly low on inspiration. They wrote, what, 25 songs in the Death Magnetic sessions? And they only saw fit to formally record and release 14 of them. It may just be that they're low on inspiration in their current style and if they shifted styles maybe they'd get more inspiration, or if they'd take a break and work with some other people, or something. I don't know what it is, but they're short on inspiration and I think it's fair to say that they're mass-producing riffs and musical ideas and, through a fairly slow process, eliminating chaff and taking a small proportion of wheat to make into songs. That's why it actually probably does take them two years to make an album.

I think it's sad to see this happen to them, and I think it could be averted if they would take a break and do other things, work with other people. But I don't think the Metallica machine makes that easy. And I have to give them credit: they're squeezing out every last drop of metal they have in them. It's just kind of a sad irony that the band that bears the name "Metallica" has less metal than we thought.

And I'll be clear: I love this band. I love Death Magnetic. I actually think it's one of their better albums. But it was clearly laboriously produced. That doesn't take away from me liking it, but I want to be honest about what it is. And let's be totally honest—the last time they had a good, easy time making an album was Reload. St. Anger was some kind of monster—or the thing that should not be, if you'd prefer an 80s song pun—it sort of happened in a time of significant emotional distress. And Death Magnetic was hard one to make—with some genuine care and passion, but also a lot of effort just to keep writing songs at such a high quality.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on June 14, 2016, 09:42:24 PM
Surely they'd have to be completely oblivious to release another album that sounds that awful given DM's reputation.
Except Rubin has been producing albums that are compressed so much that they distort for about 20 years now. He doesn't seem to give a shit about what anyone thinks of that.

There's loads of studio pics from the band and Rick is not in any of them.
Well that doesn't mean anything, he is rarely with the band in the studio anyway even when he is the producer. :neverusethis:

Glad to hear someone new is at the helm though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2016, 10:16:12 AM
Lars Ulrich says the new album is more diverse and less frenetic than Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 17, 2016, 10:21:56 AM
That sounds promising.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 17, 2016, 11:01:21 AM
Yup, definitely encouraging remarks. Hopefully they turn out to be true...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 17, 2016, 11:39:25 AM
Here's that full interview (https://mag.citizensofhumanity.com/blog/2016/06/16/lars-ulrich/). Actually pretty interesting beyond just the little hints of the new album. Possibly the most "real" interview I've seen/read with Lars.

Also confirms that Rubin is out and Fidelman is in. "So there’s some of the same production elements at play, but we’re expanding a little bit on the sonics."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 17, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
Here's that full interview (https://mag.citizensofhumanity.com/blog/2016/06/16/lars-ulrich/). Actually pretty interesting beyond just the little hints of the new album. Possibly the most "real" interview I've seen/read with Lars.

Also confirms that Rubin is out and Fidelman is in. "So there’s some of the same production elements at play, but we’re expanding a little bit on the sonics."

Good interview for sure. Here's hoping the sonics expand into something much better than DM  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 17, 2016, 12:28:52 PM
JO: Do you think that over the course of the 35 years the band has still kept that “fuck you” attitude?

LU: I’d like to think so, as much as it’s possible to keep that attitude when you sort of become successful. You know, success affords you freedoms—creative freedoms, financial freedoms, so on and so forth, so you can’t deny that element of it. I’m 52 sitting here. It’s been 35 years, so “fuck you” at 52 is a different “fuck you” at 18, or 25, or 35, or 45. So there’re different interpretations of the “fuck you” attitude as you go along. But I think that generally the very basic attitudes of why this band started are still as alive as you could expect it to be in a group of 51-, 52-year-old men, man-boys. It’s still hard for me to call myself a man, but I just did, so there you go.


I love that line, for some reason. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
The funniest thing about the Metallica forum is that every album cycle - someone will actually say the next album should finally be called Metal Up Your Ass.

And they're not joking.

It was a shitty embarrassing title 35 years ago.

It would be 10x more embarrassing for a band of 52 year olds to call an album that.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2016, 03:14:35 PM
That sounds promising.

Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.

both of which are gold.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
That sounds promising.

Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.

both of which are gold.

What? Nothing could be worse.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2016, 03:19:11 PM
ok.

Sure they could do a cover of " baby baby baby " by justin bieber or do a lady gaga covers album or do 10 songs about why all fags must die.


but sure. nothing could be worse than Carpe Diem Baby or Where The Wild Things are. Only two of their best songs ever.


NOTHING.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2016, 03:20:10 PM
cool
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on June 17, 2016, 03:33:52 PM
Metallica have got to be, from a songwriting standpoint, the laziest big band ever.  Nine studio albums of original material in 34 years as recording artists, four of which were in the first six years.  Two since 1997 (one of which is nearly universally acknowledged as a steaming pile of horse shit). Not that I blame them for milking the cash cow by touring as much as they do, but I can't imagine being a big fan and feeling constantly starved for new material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Death Magnetic definitely made up for St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on June 17, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Yep, one good album in the last 18 years sure is something else... :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2016, 03:44:54 PM
Metallica have got to be, from a songwriting standpoint, the laziest big band ever.  Nine studio albums of original material in 34 years as recording artists, four of which were in the first six years.  Two since 1997 (one of which is nearly universally acknowledged as a steaming pile of horse shit). Not that I blame them for milking the cash cow by touring as much as they do, but I can't imagine being a big fan and feeling constantly starved for new material.

No question.

It's contemptable IMO. They are really no different than any other geezer band playing the same old songs year after year.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 17, 2016, 06:26:31 PM
That sounds promising.

Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.

both of which are gold.

What? Nothing could be worse.
Actually...

St. Anger 2 - The ReAngering
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on June 17, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
*snip* I can't imagine being a big fan and feeling constantly starved for new material.


Speaking as a pretty big Metallica fan, I would say that I've never really felt starved for new material. 

But I think maybe I'm just weird when it comes to music.  I don't really think about new music until I know that it's coming.  Now that I know there might be a new Metallica album coming out reasonably soon, I'm looking forward to hearing it, but I haven't felt like it was missing from my life or anything like that.  If I feel like listening to a Metallica album, I don't get sad about the fact that they haven't released one in a while, I just pick one of my several great options and listen to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 17, 2016, 11:33:22 PM
Yep, one good album in the last 18 years sure is something else... :lol :lol

They never have to release another album for the rest of their lives, all of them are richer than God. But money aside, their creative spark is practically out, which is why it takes them so long to make records. At this point, it's more of a chore to make an album. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 18, 2016, 12:32:38 AM
That sounds promising.

Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.

both of which are gold.

I really like Where the Wild Things Are, but I actively dislike Carpe Diem Baby. There's just something on a visceral level that annoys me about that song.

I'd love some Load-era-esque experimentation, but I'm still not expecting it. Still expecting basically Death Magnetic, maybe just a little different.


It's contemptable IMO.

I don't really agree with this. I honestly just don't feel the need for new music from them. And I certainly don't feel like they're obligated to release any albums at all. I think it's great when an old band is passionate about writing new material, especially when they continue to put out excellent albums, like Iron Maiden. But I don't feel like they need to just for the sake of doing it.

Honestly, as much as I like Death Magnetic, I'd be fine with an alternate universe where Reload was Metallica's last album. They made a string of five very high quality albums from Ride the Lightning to Load, had a solid debut and had a good but lesser album in Reload. That would have been enough. Getting another album, Death Magnetic, that lives up to the aforementioned run of five, plus some good songs Beyond Magnetic and some salvageable ones on St. Anger is just a bonus. And if the new album is good as well, that will be another great bonus.

I don't know, I get that my perspective here may be a bit weird, but I prefer an artist to put out only good work than put out higher quantities of mediocre material just out of a sense of obligation.

Plus Fixxxer would have been one hell of a swan song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2016, 03:56:06 AM

They never have to release another album for the rest of their lives, all of them are richer than God.


Yup. i'd much rather they work on an album now and again than force one out for the sake of it.

They don't have to make another album and touring makes all the money.

So making an album on their own terms means it will be better than them sitting in a studio for a year just trying to get an album out.

:dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on June 18, 2016, 07:36:33 AM
That sounds promising.

Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.

both of which are gold.

What? Nothing could be worse.

Exactly this. Seriously, DM had 2 thrashy songs: ANL and MA but I guess that's 2 too many "frenetic" songs for this forum  :lol. For a supposedly metal forum I've never seen such hatred for true energetic up-tempo metal.  :-\. Not to belabor the point, but Metallica sounded their best when they were writing aggressive metal with high speed crunchy riffs like the first 4 albums - maybe that's why those songs are still the most popular and dominate the set lists. I don't agree that they can't do that anymore, given good production it would sound great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on June 18, 2016, 07:52:19 AM
Metallica's 'agressive metal with high speed crunchy riffs' is not a summary of all the energetic up-tempo metal. Sometimes I wonder if you're even taking yourself seriously with these generalizations.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 18, 2016, 09:46:10 AM
Today I learned that Fade to Black, Escape The Call of Ktulu, The Thing That Should Not Be, Welcome Home (Sanitarium), Orion, One, Harvester of Sorrow and To Live Is To Die are "aggressive metal with high speed crunchy riffs"

And Metallica sound their best to me when they write multi-faceted, melodic and experimental music. Fade to Black, Orion, One, The Unforgiven, Hero of the Day, Fixxxer, The Day That Never Comes. I don't hate up tempo metal, it would be silly for me to listen to Metallica and plenty of other bands I listen to (Nightwish, Kamelot, Symphony X)—which as ToN pointed out, do not always fit your description and yet are energetic and up-tempo—if I did. But I do think that songs with just one thrashy dimension get boring pretty quickly 95 times out 100. If Metallica made a whole album of just songs like Battery, that would be boring. And one of the five times is Megadeth's Rust In Peace—Mustaine was better at the really thrashy stuff than Metallica without him ever was.

But yeah, I doubt Metallica's going to give you another thrash-heavy album. It'll probably be similar to DM, but I hope they go in more of a Load direction and do some different things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2016, 09:53:40 AM
I'm hoping for something a bit more along the lines of TBA; still heavy, hopefully a bit more layered than DM, but less attempting thrashy stuff with contrived overly long arrangements.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 18, 2016, 10:04:51 AM
Something closer to the vein of The Black Album would be good, so long as they don't try to copy it exactly in terms of style.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2016, 12:27:47 PM
Something closer to the vein of The Black Album would be good, so long as they don't try to copy it exactly in terms of style.

Not only this but they'd be able to tour it a lot easier. If it was all slower, mid tempo songs like Sandman and Holier Than Thou and Of Wolf And Man - it wouldn't drain them to play them live.


As awesome as That Was Just Your Life & All Nightmare Long are on record - they always played them too fast live and James could barely get the lyrics out.

Likablindmanthatsbeenshovedintothespeedingdriversseat....*gasp*...face...speak...all it knew...bite..... :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 18, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
I would love to have an album similar to AJFA. Their songwriting at that point was at its most progressive and they had some pretty intricate arrangements. Blackened, The Shortest Straw, Frayed Ends of Sanity, and the title track are among my favorite Metallica songs of all time and if we can get an album in the spirit of songs like that, I would be overjoyed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
They can't write good long songs anymore. They just drag them out for the sake of it.

A 60 - 75 minute album of 4 - 5 minute songs would be great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on June 18, 2016, 04:10:29 PM
Pfft, St. Anger was mostly long songs and it worked out fine.  ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on June 18, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
They can't write good long songs anymore. They just drag them out for the sake of it.

A 60 - 75 minute album of 4 - 5 minute songs would be great.
Give me 45 minutes of 4-5 minute songs and I'd be happy. No need for filler.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 19, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
I would love to have an album similar to AJFA. Their songwriting at that point was at its most progressive and they had some pretty intricate arrangements. Blackened, The Shortest Straw, Frayed Ends of Sanity, and the title track are among my favorite Metallica songs of all time and if we can get an album in the spirit of songs like that, I would be overjoyed.

I think they still can write good long songs—Death Magnetic proved that, in my book—but I think we already just (lol 8 years ago but you know what I mean) got that with Death Magnetic. It's hard to say that DM isn't very, very similar to AJFA already. I'd like to get something a bit different.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 20, 2016, 08:00:50 AM
I'd love if the new album took more of TBA feel, but honestly I think it will be an extension of DM and BM. If they nail the production that'll be okay I guess.

It would be cool to hear slower tempo stuff like TBA and the Loads, but when you have that dirty, slow, groovy stuff, the production needs to match the weight of the music. DM did not have weight from a production standpoint, so if they were to slow some songs down, I'd really like to hear them get that big, layered sound back that they had in the 90s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on June 21, 2016, 10:09:02 AM
Another DM would be great considering it is very much like their older stuff. I don't get why so many complain about the album, musically it is exactly what fans have been asking for. For the record, I am a fan of all Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on June 21, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
Another DM would be great considering it is very much like their older stuff. I don't get why so many complain about the album, musically it is exactly what fans have been asking for. For the record, I am a fan of all Metallica.
I was pleasantly surprised when it came out. If the audio production wasn't so bad, and if they had edited some of the songs down a little bit, I think it would be outstanding. Maybe not outstanding. But very good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 21, 2016, 11:20:10 AM
Another DM would be great considering it is very much like their older stuff. I don't get why so many complain about the album, musically it is exactly what fans have been asking for. For the record, I am a fan of all Metallica.

Eh, it's really not though. Lots of bands are fast and thrashy but haven't met the quality of early Metallica. It was the quality, not how fast/thrashy everything was that made it loved and good.

Here are my main issues with DM, and I admit that there are exceptions to just about every one of these.

1. Awful, awful production
2. Pretty bad lyrics that don't have a ton of meaning or significance
3. Lars is seriously barely holding it together. The drumming is neither interesting nor good, it's sloppy and lazy as all hell.
4. Kirk's solos are just awful. Feels like he went in and improvised something quickly and left
5. No vocal harmonies?
6. Some good riffs, but also some truly boring riffs that just got repeated and repeated and repeated
7. Poor song structures

Honestly, it felt exactly like it was. A bunch of near 50 year old guys trying to sound like what they think people wanted form a Metallica album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on June 21, 2016, 11:27:25 AM
It's not enough to go out with the intent to make exactly what the fans want, because it's about the execution. There was no passion or spark in DM and it just sounded flat. The band might have gone into it with the best intentions, aka pleasing the fans, but they couldn't deliver something that great. After hearing the new Vektor album this year, which shows how trash metal should be done, I don't see how Metallica are gonna be able to get close to something like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2016, 11:32:31 AM
Adami basically nailed it.
You can't just judge music on a checklist of features, it all comes down to the quality. And I also don't think it captured the old style that well. The structures weren't that interesting or varied, the music wasn't as layered or melodic, it was sloppy instrumental sections of new riff and bad solo tacked into the middle of what probably should have been a much shorter song. You can't force lightning to strike twice. They're not the same guys in the same head space they were when writing those early albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 21, 2016, 01:34:49 PM
1. Awful, awful production
2. Pretty bad lyrics that don't have a ton of meaning or significance
3. Lars is seriously barely holding it together. The drumming is neither interesting nor good, it's sloppy and lazy as all hell.
4. Kirk's solos are just awful. Feels like he went in and improvised something quickly and left
5. No vocal harmonies?
6. Some good riffs, but also some truly boring riffs that just got repeated and repeated and repeated
7. Poor song structures

I can't argue with any of that. The funny thing is that most of that is easily fixable.

1. For a band of their standing, budget shouldn't be an issue, so a good sounding record with pristine production should be attainable.
2. There are some good lyrics and some not so good ones, this really just comes down to Het (and maybe a good producer to push him?).
3. I'd lump a lot of Lars' performance into the poor production category. There are times it sounds like he is losing the tempo and stuff might fall apart. Why wouldn't they clean that up and quantize those drum hits?!
4. Kirk needs a good producer to create good solos now a days. I firmly believe that, and I also firmly believe that Lars is not that person.
5. Het is clearly capable of great harmonies...Once again, where is the voice of a producer suggesting something more than one vocal track?
6. and 7. I would lump into have a better pre-production process...

Most of it is fixable...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 21, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
1. Awful, awful production
2. Pretty bad lyrics that don't have a ton of meaning or significance
3. Lars is seriously barely holding it together. The drumming is neither interesting nor good, it's sloppy and lazy as all hell.
4. Kirk's solos are just awful. Feels like he went in and improvised something quickly and left
5. No vocal harmonies?
6. Some good riffs, but also some truly boring riffs that just got repeated and repeated and repeated
7. Poor song structures

I can't argue with any of that. The funny thing is that most of that is easily fixable.

1. For a band of their standing, budget shouldn't be an issue, so a good sounding record with pristine production should be attainable.
2. There are some good lyrics and some not so good ones, this really just comes down to Het (and maybe a good producer to push him?).
3. I'd lump a lot of Lars' performance into the poor production category. There are times it sounds like he is losing the tempo and stuff might fall apart. Why wouldn't they clean that up and quantize those drum hits?!
4. Kirk needs a good producer to create good solos now a days. I firmly believe that, and I also firmly believe that Lars is not that person.
5. Het is clearly capable of great harmonies...Once again, where is the voice of a producer suggesting something more than one vocal track?
6. and 7. I would lump into have a better pre-production process...

Most of it is fixable...

Who says it needs fixing?  Yeah there are people, like Margot Robbie, that we can all agree are smoking hot, but there are a millions of women that fall into the next category, that are attractive to some and not to all.   I personally think that Kirstie Alley is gorgeous.  A little heavy, and starting to look her age, but gorgeous.   That doesn't mean that everyone must think she's gorgeous too.   

I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on June 21, 2016, 02:08:51 PM
DM is fantastic, one of Metallica's finest :corn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 21, 2016, 02:12:13 PM
Margot Robbie doesn't do much for me personally.

I thought the production on Death Magnetic was terrible, but the album itself was OK. Although I haven't listened to it/wanted to listen to it for ages, so maybe that says something about the quality. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 21, 2016, 02:14:03 PM
Who says it needs fixing?  Yeah there are people, like Margot Robbie, that we can all agree are smoking hot, but there are a millions of women that fall into the next category, that are attractive to some and not to all.   I personally think that Kirstie Alley is gorgeous.  A little heavy, and starting to look her age, but gorgeous.   That doesn't mean that everyone must think she's gorgeous too.   

I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.

Ah, I should have stated this clearer maybe. Those "fixes" would make me enjoy the record more.  :)

Totally selfish post.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
^ Have you heard the iTunes Remaster of Death Magnetic ?

It's a lot clearer and you can make out a lot more detail. Check it out or PM me if you want to know where to find it i.e. my dropbox.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 02:34:10 PM
For all of DM's faults, it's light years better than St. Anger so at least we can agree that the trend seems to be upwards?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 22, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
^ Have you heard the iTunes Remaster of Death Magnetic ?

It's a lot clearer and you can make out a lot more detail. Check it out or PM me if you want to know where to find it i.e. my dropbox.

I haven't heard it yet. But I read over on the Metallica boards that its a big improvement sonically. Worth checking out?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 23, 2016, 04:57:43 AM
Yes !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 23, 2016, 04:58:42 AM
Metallica are still mixing according to their Instagram.

Which could mean that they're mixing all the songs they've recorded ( about 20 or so ) and will pick the best running order...

Or there's a lot of overdubs more akin to Reload and it's taking longer to mix than drums, bass, LR Rhythms, vocals and solos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 23, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
Or there's a lot of overdubs more akin to Reload and it's taking longer to mix than drums, bass, LR Rhythms, vocals and solos.

I'd be cool with more layers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 24, 2016, 02:51:04 AM
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 24, 2016, 02:55:03 AM
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.

I think Load/Reload puts to rest any debate there. :lol I highly doubt they've recorded 20 classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 24, 2016, 02:57:06 AM
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.

I think Load/Reload puts to rest any debate there. :lol I highly doubt they've recorded 20 classics.

I do too, but I wouldn't fully discount the possibility of a double album happening anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 24, 2016, 07:00:15 AM
Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 24, 2016, 07:19:27 AM
I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.

If this is true, then James and Lars are deaf. Seriously, Death Magnetic's production is awful. It is bad to the point where it actively distorts the music and can be painful to hear. I know you really don't like to say that something that a band did is wrong, rather than not to your preference or whatever, but there is a degree of objective quality in production and DM completely fails. If it's intentional, it's a terrible intentional decision (as it was on St. Anger). If it's not intentional, which seems to be the case from the fact that James and Lars seem to have no idea that there's a problem, it's because those two don't hear so well anymore, or weren't listening on good speakers.

There's room for debate and artist's creative decisions in production. For example, deciding between a "warm" production like DT or a "cold" production like Opeth. There isn't a right answer there and the artist's intentions are important. But the choice between "clipping the album to hell to the point where the audio distorts for no good reason" and "not doing that aforementioned terrible thing" isn't just a matter of opinion, it's a choice between doing things poorly and doing them well.


^ Have you heard the iTunes Remaster of Death Magnetic ?

It's a lot clearer and you can make out a lot more detail. Check it out or PM me if you want to know where to find it i.e. my dropbox.

I haven't heard it yet. But I read over on the Metallica boards that its a big improvement sonically. Worth checking out?

This sounds interesting. I listen to one of the Guitar Hero versions, which is fine except it's the most bare-bones mix ever and lacks a certain degree of punch. I may grab this just before I listen to this album for the survivor. It's just on iTunes, right?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 24, 2016, 07:35:05 AM
The last Metallica albums that sounded good-ish were Load and Reload.

Also, the judgment of the band members is crap. I recall Lars saying not long ago that he still thinks Death Magnetic sounds incredible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 24, 2016, 09:20:31 AM
This sounds interesting. I listen to one of the Guitar Hero versions, which is fine except it's the most bare-bones mix ever and lacks a certain degree of punch. I may grab this just before I listen to this album for the survivor. It's just on iTunes, right?

Yeah its the Mastered for iTunes version, so it's only available on iTunes. I checked it out when Kotow suggested it... Its a pretty big improvement, I'd definitely recommend it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on June 24, 2016, 11:25:27 AM
Anyone here listened to DM on vinyl? I'm curious to know if the vinyl mastering is the same for itunes or if it is better.
By the way, I think that Black Album and Reload have killer overall sound, mix and mastering!Really among the best that I know.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 24, 2016, 02:42:46 PM
This sounds interesting. I listen to one of the Guitar Hero versions, which is fine except it's the most bare-bones mix ever and lacks a certain degree of punch. I may grab this just before I listen to this album for the survivor. It's just on iTunes, right?

Yeah its the Mastered for iTunes version, so it's only available on iTunes. I checked it out when Kotow suggested it... Its a pretty big improvement, I'd definitely recommend it.

Turned out I'd already bought this album on iTunes, years ago, before the Mastered for iTunes version existed, so I was able to download the new version for free. And yep, this is what I hoped it would be. Much punchier than the Guitar Hero version, but without any clipping that I can hear. Happy to finally have a version of this album that is good to listen to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on June 24, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
According to this forum:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/metallica-catalogue-now-mastered-for-itunes.444007/
The hd version from metallica.com is the iTunes remaster.
Cool, I will buy it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 24, 2016, 04:47:56 PM
James has ruled out a double album saying they'd rather focus on a single album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 24, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
That's probably for the best. Plus it would have been too weird if Iron Maiden, Dream Theater and Metallica all did double albums within the same 15 month period.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 24, 2016, 05:16:38 PM
That's probably for the best. Plus it would have been too weird if Iron Maiden, Dream Theater and Metallica all did double albums within the same 15 month period.

Yes. It means a lot less chance of weak tracks if they focus on picking the 10 best tracks.

Also - in 2008 Metallica put out a 10 minute instrumental

the next year - Therapy?s 2009 album had a 10 minute instrumental.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 25, 2016, 12:11:46 AM
James has ruled out a double album saying they'd rather focus on a single album.

Expected, but still good news. I'm not entirely convinced of Metallica managing a single disc of great material, let alone two.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 27, 2016, 09:20:50 AM
I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.

If this is true, then James and Lars are deaf. Seriously, Death Magnetic's production is awful. It is bad to the point where it actively distorts the music and can be painful to hear. I know you really don't like to say that something that a band did is wrong, rather than not to your preference or whatever, but there is a degree of objective quality in production and DM completely fails. If it's intentional, it's a terrible intentional decision (as it was on St. Anger). If it's not intentional, which seems to be the case from the fact that James and Lars seem to have no idea that there's a problem, it's because those two don't hear so well anymore, or weren't listening on good speakers.

There's room for debate and artist's creative decisions in production. For example, deciding between a "warm" production like DT or a "cold" production like Opeth. There isn't a right answer there and the artist's intentions are important. But the choice between "clipping the album to hell to the point where the audio distorts for no good reason" and "not doing that aforementioned terrible thing" isn't just a matter of opinion, it's a choice between doing things poorly and doing them well.

AND

Also, the judgment of the band members is crap. I recall Lars saying not long ago that he still thinks Death Magnetic sounds incredible.

I hear what you're saying, I really do, except... I don't agree.  You're still inserting a subjective standard - here, assuming that the clipping is both "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing".  Is Yoko Ono's caterwauling "art" or "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing"?   If you ask John, the former, if you ask Chuck Berry, the latter.    Personally, I don't see why you would do that either, but then again, I don't see why you would scream/growl your lyrics like the cookie monster either.  But people do, to express themselves.

Who the fuck knows?  Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge?  Who knows?   But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 09:42:38 AM
Yoko Ono's caterwauling is not art, it is done for no good reason, and it is a terrible thing.



Who the fuck knows?  Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge?  Who knows?   But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.

It's not about it being personally unpleasant to me. There is an objective standard, which is clarity of audio. It's like if a famous director wound up shooting an entire film with a terrible camera that made the visuals very grainy throughout, hard to make out a lot of what's going on. I know you'd probably say "that's just their artistic choice" but for me, no. Objectively, that's bad filmmaking because it objectively makes it harder to see all what's going on in the film. That is exactly, exactly what Metallica did for DM. They probably didn't even intend it, but even if they did, like on SA it's still objectively bad production. Just like regardless of whether our filmmaker intentionally chose to use a terrible camera, or happened to use one by mistake. Either way, it's bad filmmaking. And DM is bad production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2016, 09:59:39 AM
I hear what you're saying, I really do, except... I don't agree.  You're still inserting a subjective standard - here, assuming that the clipping is both "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing".  Is Yoko Ono's caterwauling "art" or "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing"?   If you ask John, the former, if you ask Chuck Berry, the latter.    Personally, I don't see why you would do that either, but then again, I don't see why you would scream/growl your lyrics like the cookie monster either.  But people do, to express themselves.

Who the fuck knows?  Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge?  Who knows?   But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.
The fact that they eventually issued a remaster on iTunes is pretty good evidence that the horrendous over-compression wasn't an artistic choice. By contrast, the raw production on St Anger was intentional. I still don't like it, but that was what they were going for. But DM was not.

Other "production" choices such as song structures, etc., yeah I'm with you. But the over-compressed mastering, no.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 27, 2016, 10:05:06 AM
I agree. St Anger sounds bad imo, but it was clearly an artistic decision and sounds exactly the way Metallic wanted it to at the time. DM was not an artistic choice, it was just very obviously screwed up mixing/mastering.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 10:07:50 AM
I agree that the SA being an artistic choice vs. DM being unintentional is a good distinction to make, but I also don't think that it changes the fact that SA's production is a pretty terrible artistic choice—since there's a certain set of standards that production should meet and SA utterly fails to meet them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 27, 2016, 10:25:08 AM

It's not about it being personally unpleasant to me. There is an objective standard, which is clarity of audio.

Can you post the link?  Because I missed that Directive.

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It's like if a famous director wound up shooting an entire film with a terrible camera that made the visuals very grainy throughout, hard to make out a lot of what's going on. I know you'd probably say "that's just their artistic choice" but for me, no. Objectively, that's bad filmmaking because it objectively makes it harder to see all what's going on in the film. That is exactly, exactly what Metallica did for DM. They probably didn't even intend it, but even if they did, like on SA it's still objectively bad production. Just like regardless of whether our filmmaker intentionally chose to use a terrible camera, or happened to use one by mistake. Either way, it's bad filmmaking. And DM is bad production.

Well, "Blair Witch Project".   You just made my point for me; not sure what else I can say.  You value clarity of visual and audio.  THAT'S YOU.  That's YOUR subjective standard.     I don't personally care "how clear" it is or isn't, except when deciding if I like it or if I want to hear it again.  But in terms of art, I don't care one way or another.  The only objective standard is what the artist wants us to hear.       
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 10:44:23 AM

It's not about it being personally unpleasant to me. There is an objective standard, which is clarity of audio.

Can you post the link?  Because I missed that Directive.

It's pretty obtuse to equate "objective" with "decreed by some authority." In making that claim, you throw out pretty much all standards in anything. To use an example from another category, there are objective standards in the design of appliances like refrigerators. These standards weren't handed down by the Refrigerator Gods, obviously. But they exist nonetheless. The primary standard is how well the refrigerator does at keeping the interior temperature controlled. A refrigerator that couldn't keep anything cold or could only maintain a temperature so low that it froze everything inside would be, objectively, a poorly-made refrigerator. No "Directive" necessary.

The purpose of production in music is to make an audio recording comprehensible to the listener. If that wasn't the point, there would be no such field—the band would just all play at once in a room or garage and they'd record it with an iPhone and then ship the unaltered recording off to the label and that would be the album. The whole reason they don't do that is because if they did that it would be horrendously unclear. That's why the whole practice of audio production takes place. The point is clarity, the standard is clarity, any production job that fails to meet this standard is a bad one, and none of this needs to have been decreed by the Music Gods.

Notice that I'm leaving plenty of room for personal preference in production, since there is room for that. Steven Wilson produces very cold-sounding albums. Martin Birch-produced albums are very warm-sounding. Both have a clear sound and meet the other standards of production, so they're both good producers, but there's also plenty of room for preference. Just like there's room for preference about whether you want a refrigerator that has a lot of vegetable drawers or none, whether you want there to be an ice-maker in the door and what you want the shelf configuration to be.


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It's like if a famous director wound up shooting an entire film with a terrible camera that made the visuals very grainy throughout, hard to make out a lot of what's going on. I know you'd probably say "that's just their artistic choice" but for me, no. Objectively, that's bad filmmaking because it objectively makes it harder to see all what's going on in the film. That is exactly, exactly what Metallica did for DM. They probably didn't even intend it, but even if they did, like on SA it's still objectively bad production. Just like regardless of whether our filmmaker intentionally chose to use a terrible camera, or happened to use one by mistake. Either way, it's bad filmmaking. And DM is bad production.

Well, "Blair Witch Project".   You just made my point for me; not sure what else I can say.  You value clarity of visual and audio.  THAT'S YOU.  That's YOUR subjective standard.     I don't personally care "how clear" it is or isn't, except when deciding if I like it or if I want to hear it again.  But in terms of art, I don't care one way or another.  The only objective standard is what the artist wants us to hear.     

You missed the point entirely. I'm not saying that Blair Witch Project is a bad film. I'm not saying anything about its quality as a film, except in one area: It does have bad production. Objectively. It fails to meet basic standards in that area. How important that area is can be debated. To me it's pretty important. To you it clearly isn't. But there are standards of quality in production that are not debatable. So since you don't seem to care about production quality at all, you should be saying "it may have bad production, but that doesn't matter to me" instead of trying to argue that bad production is good. It isn't. Nothing you say will make Death Magnetic's production not a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 27, 2016, 10:45:32 AM
I love Death Magnetic as anyone participating in my Metallica Survivor could tell you but the production is absolutely abysmal on it. It's loud to the point of being painful to listen to with headphones. Regardless of whether it was an artistic choice or not, the end result is still a badly produced album that eventually had to be remastered and rereleased on iTunes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 27, 2016, 10:52:05 AM
I hear what you're saying, I really do, except... I don't agree.  You're still inserting a subjective standard - here, assuming that the clipping is both "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing".  Is Yoko Ono's caterwauling "art" or "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing"?   If you ask John, the former, if you ask Chuck Berry, the latter.    Personally, I don't see why you would do that either, but then again, I don't see why you would scream/growl your lyrics like the cookie monster either.  But people do, to express themselves.

Who the fuck knows?  Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge?  Who knows?   But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.
The fact that they eventually issued a remaster on iTunes is pretty good evidence that the horrendous over-compression wasn't an artistic choice. By contrast, the raw production on St Anger was intentional. I still don't like it, but that was what they were going for. But DM was not.

Other "production" choices such as song structures, etc., yeah I'm with you. But the over-compressed mastering, no.

Specifically with respect to DM, maybe, maybe not, but certainly I agree with you conceptually.  Not every release is "artist intent", the most obvious being Vapor Trails.   But I just bristle at this notion that some schlub in his basement listening on his mom's stereo (figuratively speaking of course) somehow knows better what an "artistic choice should be" than the guys that have been making these choices their entire adult life, have sold over 50 million copies of their various artistic choices, and whose artistic choices have landed them in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 11:08:17 AM
Making artistic choices their whole lives does not make them immune from making catastrophically bad ones at times.

Typically, I agree with you about people who really don't know what they're talking about being very dismissive of the choices made by successful musicians. But I don't think you can say that the basement schlub is always wrong or that the famous musician is always right no matter what choices they make. In the case of the DM production, that's an obviously and objectively bad choice and anyone who points that out is right. In the case of the band choosing to use piano on The Unforgiven III, that's where the basement schlub can get off his high horse because that's a choice that it's hard or impossible to really say is objectively good or bad, and at that point the ability of Metallica to say what they want to say in their song reasserts itself.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on June 27, 2016, 12:23:41 PM
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
The Blair Witch Project gave me a headache watching it and DM gives me a headache listening to it
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 12:41:34 PM
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.

It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 27, 2016, 12:43:04 PM
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.

It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.

You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 27, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
Making artistic choices their whole lives does not make them immune from making catastrophically bad ones at times.

Typically, I agree with you about people who really don't know what they're talking about being very dismissive of the choices made by successful musicians. But I don't think you can say that the basement schlub is always wrong or that the famous musician is always right no matter what choices they make. In the case of the DM production, that's an obviously and objectively bad choice and anyone who points that out is right. In the case of the band choosing to use piano on The Unforgiven III, that's where the basement schlub can get off his high horse because that's a choice that it's hard or impossible to really say is objectively good or bad, and at that point the ability of Metallica to say what they want to say in their song reasserts itself.

I don't see any difference between choosing to master a disk "hot" and, say, putting distortion on a guitar.  Or echo on the drums.  Listen to "Strawberry Fields Forever".  it's actually two takes spliced together at around the 1:00 mark (bear with me, I'm working from memory).   The splice is CLEARLY evident by the sound of the drums.  John liked that because it added to the dreamy context of the song, and occurred right after he sang "Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to..." and made it seem like a transition.

If Lars wants that clipped, compressed sound in order to send the impression that they are on overload and are blasting out thrash metal to the maximum, who are you to say otherwise?   

You can say it's "wrong" all you want, that doesn't make it so.   It's just your subjective opinion.   I've been telling women for years that 5'8" is the evolutionarily optimum height for a human male, but they aren't biting. Same thing. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 27, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.

It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.

You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.

But they are separate "activities" and are often (though not always) done by different people (meaning, the person that produces the album doesn't necessarily mix the album and both may be different from the guy that masters the album.  Though the producer may be present at all three 'events'. 

I just find the notion that a band would dedicate 2 (or more) years of their life and spend sometimes over millions of dollars to produce new work that they have to now live with for the next two years of the touring cycle and then at the very last minute just have someone "ruin it entirely" to be implausible. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 01:34:19 PM
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.

It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.

You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.

That's what I thought, thanks for confirming. I'm using "production" here to basically describe the qualities of recording, mixing and mastering—whatever makes the album sound the way it does beyond songwriting, musician performances and choice of tones. It might be more precise to say "engineering," but music fans all over use "production" to essentially refer to these things, so I'm just following a style that I've gotten used to because it's very widely used.


@Stadler:

Using a cut between takes to sound like a transition is a brief effect and is totally different from producing such a brickwalled master that the sound audibly clips making it hard to even discern the notes that the guitar is playing. It's also different than distorting the soundwaves produced by the guitar to give it a certain sound.

Your whole line of reasoning is absurd. According to you, if Metallica recorded a bunch of static, and placed that static at the front of the mix for the entire album, so that all the music was covered start to finish with a layer of white noise, that would be equally as good as a crisp, clear recording with every instrument defined and audible. If they put out that album, and I said, "man, this production is terrible," you'd still be saying "but that's just your opinion! Their artistic choices are paramount! You can't say this is bad!"

And, per my refrigerator example, if a refrigerator manufacturer sold me a refrigerator that had only one temperature setting, and that setting froze all of my food solid, and I said, "man, this is a terrible refrigerator," you, according to the reasoning you have laid out in this thread, would have to say, "but that's just your opinion! The choices of the refrigerator manufacturer are paramount! You can't say this is bad!"

I don't want to turn this into a political or philosophical thread, but I'm honestly tired of this trend of saying that there are no objective standards for anything, and that everything is subjective. Yes, there are objective standards. There obviously are. And if there weren't, everyone would have to subscribe to an absurd worldview of which "refrigerators that don't work are no better or worse than refrigerators that do work" is merely the tip of the iceberg.

There are objective standards in music production. I've laid some of them out. I've shown how absurd it is to allege that these standards are not objective. I don't know what more there is to say.


I just find the notion that a band would dedicate 2 (or more) years of their life and spend sometimes over millions of dollars to produce new work that they have to now live with for the next two years of the touring cycle and then at the very last minute just have someone "ruin it entirely" to be implausible. 

I find it implausible, too, but it happened. The thing sounds like garbage. Maybe Lars and James can't hear well enough to tell the difference anymore, or maybe they only listened to it very loudly on a car radio (a scenario in which the difference between a good mastering job and a brickwall is not highly discernible). But whatever the reason, and however implausible you think it is, it happened. We don't need to calculate the odds of it happening, because we have actual evidence that it happened: the final recording, which sounds like garbage from a production standpoint.

I'm sure this (https://youtu.be/DRyIACDCc1I) has been posted many times before, but it makes it very obvious how bad of a hack job the mastering was. And it's just strange, in my opinion, to refuse to say that one of these options is clearly the better one just because Lars might have preferred the other.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 27, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.

It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.

You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.

But they are separate "activities" and are often (though not always) done by different people (meaning, the person that produces the album doesn't necessarily mix the album and both may be different from the guy that masters the album.  Though the producer may be present at all three 'events'. 

Yeah I assumed from context the conversation was about the production process of the record, not about the specific role of the producer. The production process of a record starts in pre-production and runs all the way through to physical production of the finished product. The producer isn't necessary there for all those steps, but they are still apart of the production process.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2016, 02:07:21 PM
Correct. The Producer does not master the album. He may mix it and engineer it but not master it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 27, 2016, 02:10:15 PM
Yeah I assumed from context the conversation was about the production process of the record, not about the specific role of the producer. The production process of a record starts in pre-production and runs all the way through to physical production of the finished product. The producer isn't necessary there for all those steps, but they are still apart of the production process.

Right, and I was referring to the production process more so than the specific actions of the producer, Rick Rubin.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
Rick Ruin.... ::)

He's barely a producer.  He's got the right approach inasmuch as he turns up now and again and therefore has the freshest and unbiased opinion on the music.

But he takes all the credit for Fidelman being the actual hands-on producer on that album. Suggesting guitar tones and arrangements.

Probably why he started producing on his own so he could get producer credits.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 27, 2016, 02:14:01 PM
Yeah I assumed from context the conversation was about the production process of the record, not about the specific role of the producer. The production process of a record starts in pre-production and runs all the way through to physical production of the finished product. The producer isn't necessary there for all those steps, but they are still apart of the production process.

Right, and I was referring to the production process more so than the specific actions of the producer, Rick Rubin.

Haha I figured as much, I mean if you were referring to the specific actions of Rubin there wouldn't be much to talk about beyond how to lay on a couch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2016, 02:18:27 PM
Not saying it's a pre-requisite of being a music producer...But I doubt Rick even knows what anything on a big mixing desk even does.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on June 27, 2016, 02:19:02 PM
Production can be characterised as the recording of the music. Mastering is part of the post-production process. In the specific case of Death Magnetic being brickwalled, we're referring to mastering rather than production.

That aside, Death Magnetic does sound utterly dreadful although it is a smidge better than Baroness's Purple. That truly is the worst sounding record I've ever heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2016, 02:22:27 PM
Production can be characterised as the recording of the music. Mastering is part of the post-production process. In the specific case of Death Magnetic being brickwalled, we're referring to mastering rather than production.

That aside, Death Magnetic does sound utterly dreadful although it is a smidge better than Baroness's Purple. That truly is the worst sounding record I've ever heard.


Truth. Purple sounds HORRIBLE. I was so disappointed as they seemed so happy with it in the behind the scenes. Such a shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 28, 2016, 08:06:10 AM
Using a cut between takes to sound like a transition is a brief effect and is totally different from producing such a brickwalled master that the sound audibly clips making it hard to even discern the notes that the guitar is playing. It's also different than distorting the soundwaves produced by the guitar to give it a certain sound.

How, exactly?

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Your whole line of reasoning is absurd. According to you, if Metallica recorded a bunch of static, and placed that static at the front of the mix for the entire album, so that all the music was covered start to finish with a layer of white noise, that would be equally as good as a crisp, clear recording with every instrument defined and audible. If they put out that album, and I said, "man, this production is terrible," you'd still be saying "but that's just your opinion! Their artistic choices are paramount! You can't say this is bad!"

Let's get into this a little.  You're mixing up words here.   There's objectively "good" or "bad", which doesn't exist UNLESS AND UNTIL we all - all 7.3 billion of us - arrive at and agree on a standard that we all say is how "good" or "bad" is measured.  That does not exist.     There is also the subjective "do I like it or not".  Often people make the shortcut to the mistaken "It's good" or "it's bad".  Really, they just mean they like it or not.   

But then you can have specific objective criteria.   The side category of "is it as clear as possible", which is a "yes or no" question, and is objective.   But we have to agree that this is a meaningful standard.   Apparently you do.   I don't.  So you have failed in getting 7.3 billion people to agree.   It is therefore subjective.    There is also "is it aesthetically pleasing", which is very much subjective, and in the "do I like it or not" basket.  I personally think DM is not aesthetically pleasing.  I like warm, "wet" sounding music, like "Clutching at Straws" by Marillion, or "Wind and Wuthering" by Genesis. 

And yes, I would say "that's your opinion".  If that is the EXACT sound they were going for, and NAILED IT TO THE FUCKING WALL, then that to me is AWESOME production.  Their producer did EXACTLY what he was asked to do.  By the way, your example exists.  Listen to the last three minutes or so of "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", where John had Geoff Emerick overdub white noise over most of the second half of the song. 

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And, per my refrigerator example, if a refrigerator manufacturer sold me a refrigerator that had only one temperature setting, and that setting froze all of my food solid, and I said, "man, this is a terrible refrigerator," you, according to the reasoning you have laid out in this thread, would have to say, "but that's just your opinion! The choices of the refrigerator manufacturer are paramount! You can't say this is bad!"

Not quite.  No.   That's different. I would have still sided with the manufacturer but for different reasons.  It IS their choice to put out the products they want.  If you're dumb enough to by a freezer and use it as a refrigerator, that's on you.   I'm kidding, of course, you're not dumb at all.  But now you're talking about the UTILITY of a product, and not the artistic intent of the artist.  To put it in terms I used above, we have all agreed on an objective standard for our refrigerators:  we agree that they should cool the food down to a level that is just above freezing.  If they do that, they are working, and if they don't they aren't.  I'm not at all saying that we should have a ton of refrigerators that don't suit our purpose. 

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I don't want to turn this into a political or philosophical thread, but I'm honestly tired of this trend of saying that there are no objective standards for anything, and that everything is subjective. Yes, there are objective standards. There obviously are. And if there weren't, everyone would have to subscribe to an absurd worldview of which "refrigerators that don't work are no better or worse than refrigerators that do work" is merely the tip of the iceberg.

425, that's not at ALL what I'm saying.   In fact, I happen to agree with you; I think there are far more objective standards than we as a society are willing to accept.  We are in agreement on that.   But it just so happens that we are not talking about one of them now when we talk about Death Magnetic. 



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There are objective standards in music production. I've laid some of them out. I've shown how absurd it is to allege that these standards are not objective. I don't know what more there is to say.

There CAN be.   But we (collective, not you and me personally) have to agree on what they are before they apply.  Certainly, if we were compiling a list of the "clearest produced albums of the 21st century", DM would not make the list.   it's only a "fail", though, if that was the objective that Rick and Lars and James were shooting for.   Let's use another example, shall we?  Who's hotter?  Margot Robbie or Sofia Vergara?   I say Margot Robbie, you say Sofia.   Who is right?  Well, I happen to be a sucker for a pretty face, and you, as I am taken to understand it, are something of a tittie aficionado.   Who is right?  This is a matter of AETHETICS.  It depends on your individual subjective standard.  No such objective standard exists at this time (and thank god, because my wife thinks I'm handsome, god bless her insanity).  Who's a better guitar soloist?  Alex Lifeson or Yngwie Malmsteen?   Certainly, by the objective standard of "discernible, clear notes per second" that is Yngwie, but don't some people find the noise at the start of the Spirit of Radio solo to be inspiring?   They might vote for Alex. 

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I find it implausible, too, but it happened. The thing sounds like garbage. Maybe Lars and James can't hear well enough to tell the difference anymore, or maybe they only listened to it very loudly on a car radio (a scenario in which the difference between a good mastering job and a brickwall is not highly discernible). But whatever the reason, and however implausible you think it is, it happened. We don't need to calculate the odds of it happening, because we have actual evidence that it happened: the final recording, which sounds like garbage from a production standpoint.

Well, to YOU.  Let's not get too arrogant.  Your "standard" has not, as I understand it, been adopted by the Hague, so it's not the world wide objective standard for 'good'.

Let me come at this in another way: there's nothing out there that you actually find "good" (i.e. "like") that the vast majority don't?  You have no "guilty pleasures" as it were?  Are you willing to say you're wrong there? 

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And it's just strange, in my opinion, to refuse to say that one of these options is clearly the better one just because Lars might have preferred the other.

And again, stop being "sloppy" with your terminology.  What's "better"?   if you are subjectively adopting a standard, you have to tell the rest of us, and we have to agree.  If we don't you're shit out of luck.  And Lars, for one, DOESN'T.  Other than that, you can only say "I like this production" or "I don't like this production".    Beyond that, it's Lars' record, and he gets to say how it sounds, for whatever (or no, as the case may be) reason.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2016, 08:43:32 AM
Death Magnetic sounds bad to people who are into music production and sound quality etc.


People who know nothing about any of that stuff - it sounds fine to them .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on June 28, 2016, 10:25:22 AM
People who know nothing about any of that stuff - it sounds fine to them .
Like Lars. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 28, 2016, 10:32:56 PM
Let's get into this a little.  You're mixing up words here.   There's objectively "good" or "bad", which doesn't exist UNLESS AND UNTIL we all - all 7.3 billion of us - arrive at and agree on a standard that we all say is how "good" or "bad" is measured.

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if you are subjectively adopting a standard, you have to tell the rest of us, and we have to agree.  If we don't you're shit out of luck.  And Lars, for one, DOESN'T.

I'll give a more detailed response tomorrow, but this is... erroneous. And it contradicts this:

In fact, I happen to agree with you; I think there are far more objective standards than we as a society are willing to accept.  We are in agreement on that. 


If every single person on the planet has to agree in order for standards to be objective, no standard is objective. Period. There is absolutely no meaningful statement with which every person on the planet agrees. None. For any standard that you might present as an example of one that you agree with me is objective, I could, if I cared hard enough about playing devil's advocate to do so, find someone who disagreed with it.

So if your standard for objectivity in standard-setting is universal consensus behind that standard, you don't believe in objectivity in any meaningful sense.

What I mean by objectivity is a standard that is true whether or not people agree. It usually takes the form: "The purpose of x is y. In order for x to achieve y, it must have characteristics a, b and c." So with music production, I'm saying: "The purpose of music production is to combine various music recordings to make one recording that enables the listener to hear the music. In order for it to do this, the production must be clear, there must be separation between the instruments and each instrument must be assigned an appropriate volume to balance with the other instruments." Now, we can quibble about these particular points. And I can be wrong about what these points are. The attributes of a good music production may differ slightly or significantly from what I say they are. I'm trying to IDENTIFY the standard, not CREATE it. This point is significant. The standard exists, and by naming it I'm trying to identify it, not making up my own standard which I set down in stone and demand everyone else uphold. This means that if Lars thinks differently from me, I'm not "out of luck" on saying the standard is objective. One or both of us is merely wrong about what the standard is.

It is utterly bizarre to say that disagreement about what a standard actually is means that there is no standard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 29, 2016, 06:22:37 AM
To me it's not a question of whether the production is bad or not. It's a badly produced album by any standards. The question is whether the listener is ok with it or not. I for example absolutely love the album despite the production problems but others feel that the album was ruined by it. The production quality is objective but how the listener prioritizes it when judging the quality of an album is completely subjective. This little debate is essentially about semantics with it all coming down to whether or not the importance of something to a listener turns the quality of that thing from objective to subjective. I don't think it does as I feel that the quality and importance to the listener are mutually exclusive. Something can be objectively bad or good and not matter in the slightest to someone but mean everything to someone else. It's basically having differing opinions on a fact.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2016, 08:52:52 AM
I'll give a more detailed response tomorrow, but this is... erroneous. And it contradicts this:

I don't think it does.   There is a difference between someone not knowing (or not accepting) a factual answer, and in there not BEING a factual answer.    Take evolution for example.   Or God.   There IS an answer for that.  It's not subjective; there either IS a God, or there ISN'T.  We don't know (perhaps we're not capable of knowing) so we each have our opinions, but there IS an answer.   I believe that there are far more topics like this than there aren't, and yet we debate EVERYTHING (I don't mean here, though that too. :)).   There IS an answer to whether "weed is harmful or not".  There IS an answer as to whether minimum wage helps or hurts a specific economy.  Etc.   That's what I am referring to when I say 'there are more objective standards than people think'.   

You feeling that "clarity" is the hallmark of "good production" is not in that category. 

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If every single person on the planet has to agree in order for standards to be objective, no standard is objective. Period. There is absolutely no meaningful statement with which every person on the planet agrees. None. For any standard that you might present as an example of one that you agree with me is objective, I could, if I cared hard enough about playing devil's advocate to do so, find someone who disagreed with it.

So if your standard for objectivity in standard-setting is universal consensus behind that standard, you don't believe in objectivity in any meaningful sense.

No, to the last thing (see above).  But as to your first statement, I respectfully think you have it backwards:  it's more that "a standard isn't objective unless and until every person on the planet can agree with it".  We don't have to LITERALLY have every person agree; that's a tautology given that some people will disagree out of principle.   But there are proxies for that; that's where the meaning comes in.  Government is one; laws and regulations are another; even rules of etiquette and the like are attempts at standardization.  We may not every one of us agree that "killing is bad" but we have proxies; under most circumstances, if you kill there will be consequences whether you ACTUALLY believe you did wrong or not. 

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What I mean by objectivity is a standard that is true whether or not people agree. It usually takes the form: "The purpose of x is y. In order for x to achieve y, it must have characteristics a, b and c." So with music production, I'm saying: "The purpose of music production is to combine various music recordings to make one recording that enables the listener to hear the music. In order for it to do this, the production must be clear, there must be separation between the instruments and each instrument must be assigned an appropriate volume to balance with the other instruments."

You MAYBE had me with the first sentence (though not really).  But you really lost me when you veered off wildly into "425 Opinion-land" with everything that followed.  What about this version of the definition?  "The purpose of music production is to effectively and efficiently translate the artistic idea or concept into a form or format whereby it can be reproduced consistently for the listener, in such a manner that the artistic intent of the creator is translated."   

What about "Metal Machine Music"?   What about "4:33"? Or better yet, "4:33 No. 2" or "One3"?   

What about the remaster of The Stooges "Raw Power", arguably the "loudest" album ever, that was done purely on purpose, by Iggy?  It even says so in the liner notes.   Even the two early mixes/masters, one by Pop and one by Bowie, are of questionable quality by your production standards (YOURS, mind you), and yet this album is regularly cited as a favorite by people like Kurt Cobain, Henry Rollins, Johnny Marr and Steve Jones.  Hell, even Cee-lo Green has praised the song "Search and Destroy" from this album.

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Now, we can quibble about these particular points. And I can be wrong about what these points are. The attributes of a good music production may differ slightly or significantly from what I say they are. I'm trying to IDENTIFY the standard, not CREATE it. This point is significant. The standard exists, and by naming it I'm trying to identify it, not making up my own standard which I set down in stone and demand everyone else uphold. This means that if Lars thinks differently from me, I'm not "out of luck" on saying the standard is objective. One or both of us is merely wrong about what the standard is.

Yes, I agree.  You ARE wrong about what the standard is.  I don't think there is a standard here, but even if I was to concede that point - which I could, easily, and remain intellectually honest - the standard would be "ARTIST INTENT".   Not what you like to hear in production, which is apparently "clarity".   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 29, 2016, 10:19:31 AM
I don't think it does.   There is a difference between someone not knowing (or not accepting) a factual answer, and in there not BEING a factual answer.    Take evolution for example.   Or God.   There IS an answer for that.  It's not subjective; there either IS a God, or there ISN'T.  We don't know (perhaps we're not capable of knowing) so we each have our opinions, but there IS an answer.   I believe that there are far more topics like this than there aren't, and yet we debate EVERYTHING (I don't mean here, though that too. :)).   There IS an answer to whether "weed is harmful or not".  There IS an answer as to whether minimum wage helps or hurts a specific economy.  Etc.   That's what I am referring to when I say 'there are more objective standards than people think'.

All of this is true by my definition of objectivity, but by yours that you stated before, it is not.

You said: "There's objectively 'good' or 'bad', which doesn't exist UNLESS AND UNTIL we all - all 7.3 billion of us - arrive at and agree on a standard that we all say is how 'good' or 'bad' is measured."

Okay. Let's take this at face value.

Some people think that good is being productive and having a focused mind. By that standard, weed is harmful. Some people think that good is having fun and enjoying yourself. By that standard, weed is not harmful. Certainly all 7.3 billion do not agree. By your definition of an objective standard, then, whether weed is harmful is subjective. And I can do this for any other sort of standard you might mention. By your statements about what makes something objective or not, nothing is objective. You'll have to either amend your definition of objectivity or state that few standards, if any at all, are objective in your view.



No, to the last thing (see above).  But as to your first statement, I respectfully think you have it backwards:  it's more that "a standard isn't objective unless and until every person on the planet can agree with it".  We don't have to LITERALLY have every person agree; that's a tautology given that some people will disagree out of principle.   But there are proxies for that; that's where the meaning comes in.  Government is one; laws and regulations are another; even rules of etiquette and the like are attempts at standardization.  We may not every one of us agree that "killing is bad" but we have proxies; under most circumstances, if you kill there will be consequences whether you ACTUALLY believe you did wrong or not. 

Okay, this modification opens all sorts of very questionable doors. You're saying that government, laws or rules of etiquette are proxies for universal agreement. This seems to suggest that these, then, are the keepers of objective standards. Your previous standard was that everyone agreeing is what tells us that a standard is objective, so the standards of governments and laws—proxies for everyone agreeing—are objective standards? That's very questionable. On the surface, of course, there is the problem that governments disagree. On cases that are not just marginal, and with governments that aren't just marginal. Most governments and laws in the European Union hold that free speech should be limited by laws against hate speech. The United States government and laws hold that there must not be any such limitations on free speech. If government creates objectivity, does that mean that there is not an objective answer to whether such limitations exist? Otherwise, how can you account for the contradiction?

I see that you're trying to fix the problems with cause and effect by saying that objective standards aren't created by agreement, but that agreement demonstrates to us that a standard is objective. But this is just an appeal ad populum, which is a very poor way to determine if something is objectively true. There was a time when almost everyone would have told you that the Sun orbits the Earth. Using popular agreement to decide if something is true is a very poor method. The better way is to use reason to investigate the standard and determine whether it is in accordance with the facts of reality.


You MAYBE had me with the first sentence (though not really).  But you really lost me when you veered off wildly into "425 Opinion-land" with everything that followed.  What about this version of the definition?  "The purpose of music production is to effectively and efficiently translate the artistic idea or concept into a form or format whereby it can be reproduced consistently for the listener, in such a manner that the artistic intent of the creator is translated."

That definition is circular. "The purpose of music production is to be produced in the way that the person in charge of it wants it to be produced." That definition serves your "everything goes" attitude, but it's utterly pointless because it means that every production is equally good, so long as the artist wants it. Even a recording engineered by someone sleeping on the soundboard and accidentally hitting buttons and changing settings is just as good as the best Steven Wilson production if it was "the artist's intent" to portray the effects of sleeping on the soundboard. I think that's absurd. Just as absurd as saying that the bad refrigerator is just fine because it was "the engineer's intent."

"The intent of this recording is to show what happens when you play a bunch of white noise over the top of a Metallica record" is still garbage production. The artist's intent does not determine good and bad. Sometimes artists are just bad at what they do.

Plus, as others have pointed out to you, Metallica has already put out a remastered Death Magnetic. Guess maybe it wasn't quite their intent to have an awfully produced record.


What about "Metal Machine Music"?   What about "4:33"? Or better yet, "4:33 No. 2" or "One3"?

4'33" is not music, and therefore, not art. Just as a blank canvas is not a painting and a slab of limestone is not a sculpture.

I don't know Metal Machine Music, and don't think I want to. Wikipedia says, "The album features no songs or even recognizably structured compositions, eschewing melody and rhythm for an hour of modulated feedback and guitar effects, mixed at varying speeds by Reed." If that's accurate, not art either. But we've veered from the main point.


What about the remaster of The Stooges "Raw Power", arguably the "loudest" album ever, that was done purely on purpose, by Iggy?  It even says so in the liner notes.   Even the two early mixes/masters, one by Pop and one by Bowie, are of questionable quality by your production standards (YOURS, mind you), and yet this album is regularly cited as a favorite by people like Kurt Cobain, Henry Rollins, Johnny Marr and Steve Jones.  Hell, even Cee-lo Green has praised the song "Search and Destroy" from this album.

People like songs on an album with bad production. I don't see the problem here. St. Anger has probably the worst production job ever on a commercial release, but I like Frantic. Production quality =/= performance quality =/= compositional quality.


Yes, I agree.  You ARE wrong about what the standard is.  I don't think there is a standard here, but even if I was to concede that point - which I could, easily, and remain intellectually honest - the standard would be "ARTIST INTENT".   Not what you like to hear in production, which is apparently "clarity".

If you concede that there is a standard, we're then having a different conversation. But whether you do or not is not "easy" or immaterial. When you say there is no standard, that immediately takes us to an absurd place. When you say that there is a standard but we disagree on what it is, then we can at least have a discussion about the standard. Unfortunately the standard you've offered is basically a non-standard-standard ("what determines whether a refrigerator is good or bad?" "MANUFACTURER INTENT" "what determines whether an economic policy is good or bad?" "GOVERNMENT INTENT" etc.), but at least we can have a discussion about the feasibility of that standard, if everyone actually agrees that there is a standard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2016, 11:01:27 AM
Some people think that good is being productive and having a focused mind. By that standard, weed is harmful. Some people think that good is having fun and enjoying yourself. By that standard, weed is not harmful. Certainly all 7.3 billion do not agree. By your definition of an objective standard, then, whether weed is harmful is subjective. And I can do this for any other sort of standard you might mention. By your statements about what makes something objective or not, nothing is objective. You'll have to either amend your definition of objectivity or state that few standards, if any at all, are objective in your view.

We're talking past each other, because I feel like we're saying the same thing, generally, and yet not applying it the same way.   You asked me if there was any absolute objectivity.   With the caveat that I'm not at all convinced that "weed is harmful" is the best example, you keep parsing down each definition to each nuance.   I'm not saying it IS harmful, I'm saying that cosmically there is an answer.  People who smoke either end up better or worse off in some measureable way.  I don't know what the ABSOLUTE answer is (though I suspect it IS harmful, it's just that the harm is likely acceptable to us as a society) just that there is one.  I don't have to parse it down to "harm" means this or that, and I don't have to literally get 7.3 billion to agree.  it is what it is.   My point is that if your standard is defined such that you DO need all 7.3 billion, it's not a good standard.  Your definition of "production" falls into that category.

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Okay, this modification opens all sorts of very questionable doors. You're saying that government, laws or rules of etiquette are proxies for universal agreement. This seems to suggest that these, then, are the keepers of objective standards. Your previous standard was that everyone agreeing is what tells us that a standard is objective, so the standards of governments and laws—proxies for everyone agreeing—are objective standards? That's very questionable. On the surface, of course, there is the problem that governments disagree. On cases that are not just marginal, and with governments that aren't just marginal. Most governments and laws in the European Union hold that free speech should be limited by laws against hate speech. The United States government and laws hold that there must not be any such limitations on free speech. If government creates objectivity, does that mean that there is not an objective answer to whether such limitations exist? Otherwise, how can you account for the contradiction?

It's not the "keeper" of the objective standard.  It doesn't "create" objectivity.   It's merely the standard that we agree to use in the event that there is conflict.   "Proxy" is not the equivalent, it's the expression of the social contract.   I don't actually agree (I'm being serious, here) that free speech should be limited by laws against hate speech.  But as part of the social contract I recognize that when my belief collides with others, that the rule of government is going to supplant any objective standard.  In other words, I can't argue, in court, that "Judge, all 315 million people in the United States don't agree that hate speech should be banned, therefore I am not guilty."  That won't work.  it doesn't make "hate speech" the objective standard; it just operates as such in cases where we would prefer there to be an objective standard (or it's impractical to establish one). 

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There was a time when almost everyone would have told you that the Sun orbits the Earth. Using popular agreement to decide if something is true is a very poor method. The better way is to use reason to investigate the standard and determine whether it is in accordance with the facts of reality.

EXACTLY.  I agree with that.   I just consider your definition of "good production" to be in that 'popular agreement' category.  "Clear?  I like clear windows. I like clear direction.  Therefore, 'clear production' ought to be better!"  No, it's not, if it isn't what the artist intends you to hear.

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That definition is circular. "The purpose of music production is to be produced in the way that the person in charge of it wants it to be produced." That definition serves your "everything goes" attitude, but it's utterly pointless because it means that every production is equally good, so long as the artist wants it. Even a recording engineered by someone sleeping on the soundboard and accidentally hitting buttons and changing settings is just as good as the best Steven Wilson production if it was "the artist's intent" to portray the effects of sleeping on the soundboard. I think that's absurd. Just as absurd as saying that the bad refrigerator is just fine because it was "the engineer's intent."

It's not quite circular, even if my wording implies it.  It's meant to be the conduit between the idea in the artists' head and the idea as received by the listener.   The definition is intended to propose the idea that "good production" creates the least amount of friction or "signal loss" between the two. 

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"The intent of this recording is to show what happens when you play a bunch of white noise over the top of a Metallica record" is still garbage production. The artist's intent does not determine good and bad. Sometimes artists are just bad at what they do.

I unequivocally, and with no reservation, disagree with you entirely here.   The artist has an idea, and presents it.  If it entails or requires "white noise over the music" then so be it.   if you get to change that by an arbitrary definition of "good production" involving "clarity", then you are no better than the record company guy that says "I don't hear a single.  Put something short on there, or something with some keyboards." 

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Plus, as others have pointed out to you, Metallica has already put out a remastered Death Magnetic. Guess maybe it wasn't quite their intent to have an awfully produced record.

The one is not indicative of the other.   There are countless records that have multiple versions.  Whitesnake Slide it In.   Rainbow Rising.  MSG Built to Destroy.  And even more (I believe The Beatles is the biggest band to do this) that have a specific iTunes remaster.   The counter example is Vapor Trails.  That was NOT artist intent, as Geddy has gone on record saying "that's not what we bargained for" and they in fact released a remixed/remastered version.   If you can show me where Lars and/or James said "Wow, we screwed the pooch with Death Magnetic, and are releasing a remastered version that is now the definitive version.  Dump your CDs and buy the iTunes version!"   

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4'33" is not music, and therefore, not art. Just as a blank canvas is not a painting and a slab of limestone is not a sculpture.

I don't know Metal Machine Music, and don't think I want to. Wikipedia says, "The album features no songs or even recognizably structured compositions, eschewing melody and rhythm for an hour of modulated feedback and guitar effects, mixed at varying speeds by Reed." If that's accurate, not art either. But we've veered from the main point.

HAHAHA. If we didn't have a ton of posts on this topic already I would call you out for trolling.   The John Cage compositions are ABSOLUTELY music, and ABSOLUTELY art.   There is no question as to that point.   There is some debate that MMM was a "fuck you" to the record company and Lou Reed was never entirely clear on refuting that, but most absolutely consider MMM to be "art".  This is integral to the conversation.  You are not the authority to decide what is or is not "art".   If I, as a sculptor, present a slab of limestone in an effort to make a statement regarding the unlimited artistic possibilities of art, or better yet, as a metaphor for "inner beauty" (the slab 'concealing' whatever final representation of sculpture that may be revealed later), that is MY call, not yours.  You can speak to the effectiveness of that statement, whether you got it or not, but you don't get to say whether it IS a statement or not.   

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People like songs on an album with bad production. I don't see the problem here. St. Anger has probably the worst production job ever on a commercial release, but I like Frantic. Production quality =/= performance quality =/= compositional quality.

I agree with the latter, but we clearly don't agree on what constitutes "production quality".   I don't at all assume that "clarity" and "lack of distortion" is integral to that.

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If you concede that there is a standard, we're then having a different conversation. But whether you do or not is not "easy" or immaterial. When you say there is no standard, that immediately takes us to an absurd place. When you say that there is a standard but we disagree on what it is, then we can at least have a discussion about the standard. Unfortunately the standard you've offered is basically a non-standard-standard ("what determines whether a refrigerator is good or bad?" "MANUFACTURER INTENT" "what determines whether an economic policy is good or bad?" "GOVERNMENT INTENT" etc.), but at least we can have a discussion about the feasibility of that standard, if everyone actually agrees that there is a standard.

Why is it so absurd?  I'm only trying to avoid confusion.   I don't think there is a universal standard.  I only proffered "artist intent" as a possible standard that all could agree on, but back against the wall, gun to head, I say there is no standard for "good" when it comes to artistic intent.   There is good "technique", there is "good" related to a specific measurable quantity, but there is no absolute "good".   Your criteria of "clarity" is of course measurable, and if "clarity" is the standard (and "more clear" equals "better") then you can tell whether someone is "better" or "worse".  I just don't think "clarity" trumps artist intent IF the artist doesn't want "clear". 

And stop confusing irrelevant examples; GE isn't selling their refrigerators as an artistic statement.  They are selling a utilitarian appliance that has one (or more) specific intents that can be measured and quantified.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 29, 2016, 11:26:13 AM
Who cares....it's all about how the band sounds live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
Who cares....it's all about how the band sounds live.

Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 29, 2016, 11:29:19 AM
Who cares....it's all about how the band sounds live.

Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems

Everything is shit. Hahaha...

Good entertainment guys.

I enjoyed some songs on Death Magnetic, regardless of production/mixing/mastering.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 29, 2016, 11:34:41 AM
Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems

Het has actually been sounding really good vocally the last couple years, and he is always rock solid on guitar. Rob is a really good bass player, their main issues live are Lars struggling to play some songs and Kirk completely butchering his solos. But, if this thread has taught me anything, it's that Kirk really isn't playing poorly, maybe it's just his artistic choice.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on June 29, 2016, 11:35:03 AM
A Part of Robert's interview in the Metallica site. It seems that we'll have some vocal harmonies this time:

Obviously there’s work going on in the studio, would you care to give us a little preview here of anything?
Yeah, yeah. HQ is an active Metallica new album machine right now. I can say James and I had a blast doing back-up vocals last week, it was probably the most fun I’ve had during this album cycle, I wouldn’t even call that work. It was just super fun blasting out those choruses; he had a big smile on his face and so did I, so that’s something that I’ll always remember because I don’t think I’ve ever done it on that level. I mean, we’ve done a couple things here and there, but that was a first for me, to be in the vocal booth with him. It was pretty cool. So I feel great. The bass sounds are crushing. I would say they’re the best bass sounds that I’ve had with this band for sure, and already for me that’s a plus. I’m very proud of what Greg [Fidelman – Producer] has done with the sound of my instruments, and I’m also proud of the way I played. We’ve had fun.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 29, 2016, 11:49:47 AM
A Part of Robert's interview in the Metallica site. It seems that we'll have some vocal harmonies this time:

Obviously there’s work going on in the studio, would you care to give us a little preview here of anything?
Yeah, yeah. HQ is an active Metallica new album machine right now. I can say James and I had a blast doing back-up vocals last week, it was probably the most fun I’ve had during this album cycle, I wouldn’t even call that work. It was just super fun blasting out those choruses; he had a big smile on his face and so did I, so that’s something that I’ll always remember because I don’t think I’ve ever done it on that level. I mean, we’ve done a couple things here and there, but that was a first for me, to be in the vocal booth with him. It was pretty cool. So I feel great. The bass sounds are crushing. I would say they’re the best bass sounds that I’ve had with this band for sure, and already for me that’s a plus. I’m very proud of what Greg [Fidelman – Producer] has done with the sound of my instruments, and I’m also proud of the way I played. We’ve had fun.

Rob singing back-up vocals does not equal harmonies. If there are harmonies bet your butt James will be doing them, as he should, since he is the only member that can actually sing. I'd guess what Rob is talking about are more gang-style vocal parts.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 29, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
I don't really care too much about this weed example, so I'll breeze through that part quickly:

I'm not saying it IS harmful, I'm saying that cosmically there is an answer.  People who smoke either end up better or worse off in some measureable way.  I don't know what the ABSOLUTE answer is (though I suspect it IS harmful, it's just that the harm is likely acceptable to us as a society) just that there is one.

Right.

I don't have to parse it down to "harm" means this or that,

No, actually, you do in order to actually say that it is. You have to name "harmful to what" and define how it is in fact harmful.

and I don't have to literally get 7.3 billion to agree.  it is what it is.   

Right.

My point is that if your standard is defined such that you DO need all 7.3 billion, it's not a good standard.  Your definition of "production" falls into that category.

No. See, people thinking that bad production is good is exactly the same as people thinking that a harmful substance is beneficial. They can enjoy something that is bad, they can feel or even think that it is good, but they may still be wrong.


It's not the "keeper" of the objective standard.  It doesn't "create" objectivity.   It's merely the standard that we agree to use in the event that there is conflict.   "Proxy" is not the equivalent, it's the expression of the social contract.   I don't actually agree (I'm being serious, here) that free speech should be limited by laws against hate speech.  But as part of the social contract I recognize that when my belief collides with others, that the rule of government is going to supplant any objective standard.  In other words, I can't argue, in court, that "Judge, all 315 million people in the United States don't agree that hate speech should be banned, therefore I am not guilty."  That won't work.  it doesn't make "hate speech" the objective standard; it just operates as such in cases where we would prefer there to be an objective standard (or it's impractical to establish one). 

Okay, so you are now saying that a government standard is not necessarily objective. I agree. I hope you also agree that there are existing objective standards in reality, and that the best way to determine these standards is through rational evaluation, not appeals to what a majority or everyone believes. In other words: 7.3 billion agreeing or disagreeing or mixed has literally zip, zero, nada, nothing to do with whether something is objective or not. It's totally irrelevant and shouldn't even be part of the discussion.


EXACTLY.  I agree with that.   I just consider your definition of "good production" to be in that 'popular agreement' category.  "Clear?  I like clear windows. I like clear direction.  Therefore, 'clear production' ought to be better!"  No, it's not, if it isn't what the artist intends you to hear.

I've literally already admitted that my standards for production may be incorrect and that I know nothing about the subject. I don't know why you're so wedded to critiquing my specific standard when what you're trying to do is negate standards (beyond "literally whatever the person making it wants to make") as such. So look, if clarity is a poor standard, fine. I'm totally willing to consider that possibility. But if it is in fact a poor standard, you've said nothing against my actual point, which is that there are standards.


It's not quite circular, even if my wording implies it.  It's meant to be the conduit between the idea in the artists' head and the idea as received by the listener.   The definition is intended to propose the idea that "good production" creates the least amount of friction or "signal loss" between the two. 

Okay, and the artists can communicate their ideas poorly. Such as through a brickwalled production that is inaudible. In communicating ideas with minimum "signal loss," the best way to do that is to minimize literal signal lost. You can say "maybe the artist wants all that signal to be lost," and maybe that's true, but it's the same as printing an entire book with a printer that's running out of ink and produces barely legible half-formed typeface. Sure, okay, I guess the artist has communicated to me that I'm supposed to barely understand what's gone on. They've still done a poor job of communicating and the printing job is still terrible. So it is with terrible music production.


I unequivocally, and with no reservation, disagree with you entirely here.   The artist has an idea, and presents it.  If it entails or requires "white noise over the music" then so be it.   if you get to change that by an arbitrary definition of "good production" involving "clarity", then you are no better than the record company guy that says "I don't hear a single.  Put something short on there, or something with some keyboards."

If the record company guy was saying that to Lou Reed about Metal Music Machine, he would be right to say that.

The difference is that quality of musical composition is usually hard if not impossible to measure. Quality in production is stupidly easy to measure.

Quite frankly, if the artist's idea is "white noise over the music," that's a terrible idea. It presents something that's hard or impossible to listen to, which defeats the purpose of music, which is that it is supposed to be listened to.
 

The counter example is Vapor Trails.  That was NOT artist intent, as Geddy has gone on record saying "that's not what we bargained for" and they in fact released a remixed/remastered version.   If you can show me where Lars and/or James said "Wow, we screwed the pooch with Death Magnetic, and are releasing a remastered version that is now the definitive version.  Dump your CDs and buy the iTunes version!"   

And this is where we get to one of the most bizarre implications of artistic subjectivism.

If James and Lars say "The Death Magnetic mastering isn't what we wanted!" it automatically becomes bad.

Until and unless they say that, it's magically good—or at least immune to any sort of serious criticism. But with eight words, James Hetfield can magically turn it from good to bad (what happens if James says it isn't what he wanted but Lars says it's exactly what he wanted has not yet been answered—does AJFA have a good mix? Lars wanted it, Jason didn't...).

It couldn't possibly be that it's bad irrespective of what any member of Metallica says or doesn't say.


HAHAHA. If we didn't have a ton of posts on this topic already I would call you out for trolling.   The John Cage compositions are ABSOLUTELY music, and ABSOLUTELY art.   There is no question as to that point.

Lol no. Art is a creation of the artist. The artist has to actually take various elements and arrange them in a certain way to make art. Explicitly not doing that and claim that the act of not doing it is art is another one of the most bizarre implications of artistic subjectivism.

Just so you know, I completed ten murals while typing that paragraph. They're all on the walls of my house. They're called Untitled 1-10. You can buy them for $25 million each. $240 million for the complete set; you get a $10 million discount. If you say "Death Magnetic has bad mastering," I'll lower the price to $210 million just for you. I'm one of the greatest and most prolific muralists of all time, and these works are masterpieces.


There is some debate that MMM was a "fuck you" to the record company and Lou Reed was never entirely clear on refuting that, but most absolutely consider MMM to be "art".

Unlike 4'33", this record MIGHT cross the threshold to be art. In order to do so, it must be the artist actively arranging elements to create it. I don't care to listen to it find out. But it may be art. If so, however, it is art of the most banal and insignificant variety—like a Jackson Pollock painting.

This is integral to the conversation.  You are not the authority to decide what is or is not "art".

Once again, you have decided, wrongly, that I am making claims to authority. No. I have never made any claim to authority at any point in this entire conversation ever. I am claiming that art has a definition, and that there are things which are art and things which are not.


If I, as a sculptor, present a slab of limestone in an effort to make a statement regarding the unlimited artistic possibilities of art, or better yet, as a metaphor for "inner beauty" (the slab 'concealing' whatever final representation of sculpture that may be revealed later), that is MY call, not yours.  You can speak to the effectiveness of that statement, whether you got it or not, but you don't get to say whether it IS a statement or not.   

Art isn't about making statements. That's rhetoric. The whole "art is expression" thing is a horrible intellectual trend. Art is creation. It requires the organization of specific elements by an artist. It is not expression. Not anything that is expressed is art. I just tossed a throw pillow on the floor to express the fact that I want more room on the couch. It's still sitting there where I threw it. Not art. Not even if I call it art.


Why is it so absurd?  I'm only trying to avoid confusion.   I don't think there is a universal standard.  I only proffered "artist intent" as a possible standard that all could agree on, but back against the wall, gun to head, I say there is no standard for "good" when it comes to artistic intent.

Why is it absurd? Because it means that anything and everything is good so long as the artist says "I intend it to be that way" ("this record is just a bunch of cats meowing with the sound of human screams in the background all obscured by the noise of a jet engine malfunctioning after an iron pole was thrown into it" "I intend it to be that way" "Then this is an amazing work of art!"). That isn't a standard, it's an anti-standard because it destroys any attempt at judging (which is of course the reason for a standard in the first place).


And stop confusing irrelevant examples; GE isn't selling their refrigerators as an artistic statement.  They are selling a utilitarian appliance that has one (or more) specific intents that can be measured and quantified.

But what if they did? By your definition of art, they could (saying that it is an expression of their views on room temperature food), and we'd HAVE to call it art.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2016, 02:08:50 PM
Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems

Het has actually been sounding really good vocally the last couple years, and he is always rock solid on guitar. Rob is a really good bass player, their main issues live are Lars struggling to play some songs and Kirk completely butchering his solos. But, if this thread has taught me anything, it's that Kirk really isn't playing poorly, maybe it's just his artistic choice.  :lol

Well, to some degree, it is.   If he's going for a run and fails, that's poor playing, but if he's opting to replace the solos/licks that were on the album with something alternative, well, yeah, that IS his artistic choice. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 29, 2016, 02:14:46 PM
Well, to some degree, it is.   If he's going for a run and fails, that's poor playing, but if he's opting to replace the solos/licks that were on the album with something alternative, well, yeah, that IS his artistic choice. 

Yeah, I was kidding. Kirk is just not playing well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on June 30, 2016, 12:46:39 AM
The difference is that quality of musical composition is usually hard if not impossible to measure. Quality in production is stupidly easy to measure.

This is an interesting point, and you're not wrong, but I don't agree with your conclusions. 

True, you can objectively measure production.  Frankly, you can objectively measure just about anything, including music.  A singer has a specific octave range.  A drummer can hit his kit a certain number of times per minute.  An album can have a particular number of guitar solos.  These are all facts that can be measured objectively.  The question is, how do those objective measurements relate to the idea of artistic quality?

And that is a subjective question. 

For example, think about photography.  You might choose to measure the quality of a photograph based on how clearly it depicts it subject.  In that case, a clear picture is obviously better than a blurry one - but only because you made the decision to aim for clarity.  Meanwhile, there are artists who attempt to create beauty by blurring photographs.  And it wouldn't make much sense to hold such a picture's lack of clarity against it when it was never meant to be clear. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 30, 2016, 04:20:39 AM
I like how their reasoning behind the clipped master was that it felt like it had more energy ...


...Rather than making it sound clean and....playing with more energy....


...And funnily enough - the less clipped master on iTunes has more energy due to the fact you can make out what they're playing.



I actually appreciate Lars' playing on Death Magnetic more with the new master...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2016, 07:53:09 AM
Well, to some degree, it is.   If he's going for a run and fails, that's poor playing, but if he's opting to replace the solos/licks that were on the album with something alternative, well, yeah, that IS his artistic choice. 

Yeah, I was kidding. Kirk is just not playing well.

On that we can agree; whether it's his fail or his choice, it's not to my liking, and for me, he is sort of ruining the vibe I like from Metallica.  I'm not a diehard fan, but when I'm in the mood, Metallica really hits it.   I saw them on Later... with Jools Holland and they played "Cyanide" and "Enter Sandman", and during ES, they kept panning around to the other five or so acts, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was standing up, clapping, singing along... some were even playing along.  I watch that show regularly and I've never seen that, not with Sir Paul McCartney, not Noel Gallagher, not Tom Jones... you had Kings of Leon, Carla Bruni, Nicole Atkins, VV Brown and Sway DaSafo all rapt at their performance.   Kirk played it close to the record, and they SMOKED.   You look at some of the live stuff and Kirk goes off on his tangents, and well, it loses it's power if you ask me.   But that's ME.   When I get the gig playing lead in Metallica I can make other choices.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 30, 2016, 07:59:19 AM
On that we can agree; whether it's his fail or his choice, it's not to my liking, and for me, he is sort of ruining the vibe I like from Metallica.  I'm not a diehard fan, but when I'm in the mood, Metallica really hits it.   I saw them on Later... with Jools Holland and they played "Cyanide" and "Enter Sandman", and during ES, they kept panning around to the other five or so acts, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was standing up, clapping, singing along... some were even playing along.  I watch that show regularly and I've never seen that, not with Sir Paul McCartney, not Noel Gallagher, not Tom Jones... you had Kings of Leon, Carla Bruni, Nicole Atkins, VV Brown and Sway DaSafo all rapt at their performance.   Kirk played it close to the record, and they SMOKED.   You look at some of the live stuff and Kirk goes off on his tangents, and well, it loses it's power if you ask me.   But that's ME.   When I get the gig playing lead in Metallica I can make other choices.

Haha, agreed. For me, its not like Kirk's trying different stuff, you know like playing improv to try something different... He's trying to play the solos just like they are on record, and he just can't do it cleanly anymore, the result is that horrible "sticky fingers" sound you get when a player can't quite pull off what they have in their brains.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2016, 08:12:52 AM
I don't want to beat a dead horse, but you had Carla Bruni, a model, singing these bad torch songs in French, and Nicole Atkins a cute little singer-songwriter from New Jersey both jamming away at Metallica.   Every time the camera went to Atkins she was singing along to every word.

I think that says something about the power and ability of that band, when you can capture people regardless of where they are coming from. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 30, 2016, 08:27:18 AM
Oh yea, I won't argue that. Metallica has created some incredible music that was able to transcend genres in a way that no other heavy metal band really has. Also, I personally think a lot of it (it meaning the way they pull people in during live performances) rests solely in the charisma of Het.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 30, 2016, 08:39:23 AM
Death Magnetic sounds bad to people who are into music production and sound quality etc.


People who know nothing about any of that stuff - it sounds fine to them .
Not quite.

I've heard plenty of people who know jack about sound quality say that Death Magnetic sounds 'weird'.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 30, 2016, 09:20:47 AM
Oh yea, I won't argue that. Metallica has created some incredible music that was able to transcend genres in a way that no other heavy metal band really has. Also, I personally think a lot of it (it meaning the way they pull people in during live performances) rests solely in the charisma of Het.

James Hetfield is Metallica. Plain and simple. He is the heart and soul of that band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on June 30, 2016, 10:08:58 AM
I've been hearing so much about their upcoming album, I decided to give both the Load albums and TBA another listen, it's been a long long time. And I really enjoy the Load albums, I'd say I enjoy them more then TBA. TBA is a very in-between album. It's still very much a metal album, just with more commercial structures and a couple ballads. It's more traditional metal then any of their other albums, like the early thrash stuff for example.

The Load albums just work better for me. There's catchier songs. But honestly, because they can't seem to do anything to please any fans, they're best bet might to do another album in the style of TBA. At this point, that would please the most fans. DM should have pleased the old school fans, but for some reason it didn't.

Oh and I have to point this out: when I was recently listening to Korn's self titled album, I was surprisingly reminded of St. Anger. I have a feeling that record influenced Metallica while making St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
This is related to my other point about "artist intent", but I honestly don't want them thinking too much about "doing this kind of album" or "that kind of album".   

Just go in and play what you feel.   I think Lars and James have earned that right at this point in their careers.  If it comes out sounding like "Damage, Inc." or "The Damage" by Marillion, so be it.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 30, 2016, 10:48:22 AM
This is related to my other point about "artist intent", but I honestly don't want them thinking too much about "doing this kind of album" or "that kind of album".   

Just go in and play what you feel.   I think Lars and James have earned that right at this point in their careers.  If it comes out sounding like "Damage, Inc." or "The Damage" by Marillion, so be it.   

I agree that they should play what feels natural to them, but I'd argue they didn't need to earn the right to do that. Ideally, that's what any musician at any level should do, play and create something that they feel passionate about to some degree. Not creation for the sake of servicing a fan base or a portion of a fan base.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2016, 10:59:18 AM
No. See, people thinking that bad production is good is exactly the same as people thinking that a harmful substance is beneficial. They can enjoy something that is bad, they can feel or even think that it is good, but they may still be wrong.

No.  It's not a small point to say that the issue isn't thinking "bad" production is "good".  It's having the hubris and audacity to think that you can even say one way or the other.   Yes, if we were all producers arguing who's cock is biggest ("cock size" being "clarity of production") then yeah, there is a better and a worse.  But that's not where we are.  You, 425, have arbitrarily and unilaterally determined that "clarity" is the be-all and end-all of "good" production, and I'm saying NO.   If the artist's statement is contingent on a LACK of clarity then the artist's intent trumps your individual, personal belief.  That's really all there is to my argument.

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Okay, so you are now saying that a government standard is not necessarily objective. I agree. I hope you also agree that there are existing objective standards in reality, and that the best way to determine these standards is through rational evaluation, not appeals to what a majority or everyone believes. In other words: 7.3 billion agreeing or disagreeing or mixed has literally zip, zero, nada, nothing to do with whether something is objective or not. It's totally irrelevant and shouldn't even be part of the discussion.

I do agree that there are existing objective standards in reality, though I'm not willing to concede the "rational evaluation" part until I know more.   And I'm not at all saying that we should appeal to "the majority".  If you know me, you would know I could give a fuck what the majority believes.  My point with the 7.3 billion wasn't "majority rules", but rather that not one person could have a different standard.  That's one of the definitions of "objective".  "Independent of any one person".  That I - or anyone else, including Lars - doesn't give a shit about "production clarity" is indicative that "production clarity" is NOT the objective standard of "good production".   

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I've literally already admitted that my standards for production may be incorrect and that I know nothing about the subject. I don't know why you're so wedded to critiquing my specific standard when what you're trying to do is negate standards (beyond "literally whatever the person making it wants to make") as such. So look, if clarity is a poor standard, fine. I'm totally willing to consider that possibility. But if it is in fact a poor standard, you've said nothing against my actual point, which is that there are standards.

Well, I have, acutally, and I can't speak to why that was missed.  I do not believe there are general, objective standards of "good" or "bad" in art.   I do believe that we can, in isolated sub-conversations, establish objective standards to measure certain things; if you and I agree that we are going to rank the 10 "best" albums ever, that list doesn't exist unless and until you and I agree on what the standard is.  That standard does not exist outside our agreement.  That's all I'm saying. 

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Okay, and the artists can communicate their ideas poorly. Such as through a brickwalled production that is inaudible. In communicating ideas with minimum "signal loss," the best way to do that is to minimize literal signal lost. You can say "maybe the artist wants all that signal to be lost," and maybe that's true, but it's the same as printing an entire book with a printer that's running out of ink and produces barely legible half-formed typeface. Sure, okay, I guess the artist has communicated to me that I'm supposed to barely understand what's gone on. They've still done a poor job of communicating and the printing job is still terrible. So it is with terrible music production.

NO NO NO.   NO a thousand times NO.   "Brickwalled production" is only "bad" when the artist INTENDED clarity of production (or whatever the opposite of "brickwalled production" is) as part of his/her artistic statement.   YOU don't get to determine that.

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The difference is that quality of musical composition is usually hard if not impossible to measure. Quality in production is stupidly easy to measure.

ONLY if you agree on what the standard is to measure it.  We now have two standards:  one is "clarity of production" and two is "the degree to which the artists intent is communicated to the listener (immaterial as to whether the listener actually gets it or not).  I think the former can be easy, the latter, maybe not so much.

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Quite frankly, if the artist's idea is "white noise over the music," that's a terrible idea. It presents something that's hard or impossible to listen to, which defeats the purpose of music, which is that it is supposed to be listened to.

Wrong. You couldn't possibly be more wrong.   It's terrible to YOU, but that's just you.  Not an objective standard.  I think Axl Rose's "dow-woo-our" pronunciations on "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" are a terrible idea too, but so be it.  He's the singer.  I think fading the solo on "Tonight" by Ozzy was a terrible idea, but so be it.  It's his song.  I hate the solo at the end of "Lucky Man" by ELP, terrible idea to ruin the beauty of the piece with that noise, but so be it.  It's Keith's spot.   Same with the "white noise" over the end of "I Want You".  John Lennon is one of the greats in modern music; he doesn't need us telling him what ideas are worthy and what are not.   

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And this is where we get to one of the most bizarre implications of artistic subjectivism.

If James and Lars say "The Death Magnetic mastering isn't what we wanted!" it automatically becomes bad.

Until and unless they say that, it's magically good—or at least immune to any sort of serious criticism. But with eight words, James Hetfield can magically turn it from good to bad (what happens if James says it isn't what he wanted but Lars says it's exactly what he wanted has not yet been answered—does AJFA have a good mix? Lars wanted it, Jason didn't...).

No, they don't "magically turn it...".  It's not Schroedinger's Cat.  It was and always will be "good", you just didn't know it.   You (no one is) privy to every bit of information, and in the meantime, all you can do is say "that's not for me; I don't like it."   You can use the euphemism "good" or "bad" to describe it, as many of us do on a daily basis, but you wouldn't be terribly accurate in doing so.

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Lol no. Art is a creation of the artist. The artist has to actually take various elements and arrange them in a certain way to make art. Explicitly not doing that and claim that the act of not doing it is art is another one of the most bizarre implications of artistic subjectivism.

Just so you know, I completed ten murals while typing that paragraph. They're all on the walls of my house. They're called Untitled 1-10. You can buy them for $25 million each. $240 million for the complete set; you get a $10 million discount. If you say "Death Magnetic has bad mastering," I'll lower the price to $210 million just for you. I'm one of the greatest and most prolific muralists of all time, and these works are masterpieces.

This fundamental to the discussion:  your example hopelessly and futilely confuses artist intent with listener/viewer reaction.   Is Beyoncé's new album more or less "art" than, say, "Scenes From A Memory"?  if you made those murals with no other intention than selling them for $240 million, I would argue they are not art.   If each of those murals represents each of the ten years you spent with the girlfriend that broke your heart, it would be art.  Whether anyone sees them, or buys them is immaterial to that.   Not related at all.    And whether those are "good" or "bad" would depend on how accurately you translated that feeling.   

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Unlike 4'33", this record MIGHT cross the threshold to be art. In order to do so, it must be the artist actively arranging elements to create it. I don't care to listen to it find out. But it may be art. If so, however, it is art of the most banal and insignificant variety—like a Jackson Pollock painting.

Why isn't "silence" an element?   Robert Fripp - whom I consider the consummate artist in every way, and many agree - disagrees with you (look up "Trio", where Bill Bruford famously stood with his arms crossed and drumsticks in hand, consciously choosing NOT to play a note, and Fripp conspicuously gave him a writing credit for his choices).  Art is all about "choices".  In music, that is what to play and what not to play.


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But you have.  You have deemed 4'33" to not be art, for some reason, and that's on you.  John Cage is one of the most esteemed and innovative and demanding compositional artists out there.  He requires you to reevaluate your preconceived notions constantly.   Yet you said his work (one of them) was "not art".   That's judgmental.

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Art isn't about making statements. That's rhetoric. The whole "art is expression" thing is a horrible intellectual trend. Art is creation. It requires the organization of specific elements by an artist. It is not expression. Not anything that is expressed is art. I just tossed a throw pillow on the floor to express the fact that I want more room on the couch. It's still sitting there where I threw it. Not art. Not even if I call it art.

I'm hardly an intellectual hipster.   "Expression" is the way that the Mona Lisa separates from the refrigerator you mentioned in a previous post.   There is no real "utility" to the Mona Lisa beyond the communication aspect.  Whether that "communication" is a statement on females of the sixteen century, or an attempt to elicit joy from the viewer is subject to the artist intent, but that painting doesn't make phone calls for you, or provide you access to the internet, or freeze your steaks. 

Throwing your pillow is not an expression in that sense; it is utilitarian; you are ACTUALLY creating space on the couch.   I can't think of one, but there are ways of articulating that feeling in a broader sense that WOULD be art.

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Why is it absurd? Because it means that anything and everything is good so long as the artist says "I intend it to be that way" ("this record is just a bunch of cats meowing with the sound of human screams in the background all obscured by the noise of a jet engine malfunctioning after an iron pole was thrown into it" "I intend it to be that way" "Then this is an amazing work of art!"). That isn't a standard, it's an anti-standard because it destroys any attempt at judging (which is of course the reason for a standard in the first place).

Yes, actually, but don't confuse "good" with "you like it".   And don't confuse what I said earlier about establishing a standard for a particular purpose.   everyone and their brother thinks they could be a music critic, and I call bullshit on that.  "Whoa, this album kicks major ass! It's AWESOME!" is not music critique.   Classical criticism is a complex and intricate thing, and most (I would say all, but there's probably one somewhere) classic criticisms take the form of "establish context, establish standard, compare work in context to standard".    The judgment is separate from that assessment of "good" or "bad".  There are absolutely ways to get to your wish to judge things.  There is a reason that albums like "Sgt. Pepper" and "Pet Sounds" are considered classics in their field, and it's not because one person said "oh, that is GOOD!".   It's because there is a synergy between the efforts of the artist to hew as close as possible to their vision at a time when that vision was fresh and the adherence wasn't as easy as sitting in your mom's basement with a laptop and running pre-programmed beats.   Whether any one person "likes" Sgt. Pepper's or not is immaterial to it's consideration as a classic piece of art.  I am a Beatles maniac, and it's not my first or second favorite album by them, but I would absolutely consider it their "masterwork" if we were using such a term.  Bob Dylan is another example.  I have 2,000 CDs plus or minus and not one Dylan Cd, and likely never will. He is unlistenable to me.  Hate his music.   Yet, it would be stupid and churlish of me to not recognize that in the context of American music of the last 50 years, he is one of the three "classic" artists.

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But what if they did? By your definition of art, they could (saying that it is an expression of their views on room temperature food), and we'd HAVE to call it art.

Conceptually, yes.   IKEA perhaps does that. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 08:54:58 PM
No.  It's not a small point to say that the issue isn't thinking "bad" production is "good".  It's having the hubris and audacity to think that you can even say one way or the other... You, 425, have arbitrarily and unilaterally determined that "clarity" is the be-all and end-all of "good" production, and I'm saying NO

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YOU don't get to determine that.

Again, and this is the last time I am saying this.

When I say that there are objective standards and that I am trying to identify what those are, it is not the same thing as me saying that I am the universal decider and what I say goes.

This is not that difficult and yet you continue, time after time, to act like I am trying to make myself the final artistic authority. I am not. There is a difference between "there is a truth, and this is what I think that truth might be" and "what I say is the truth because I am saying it." Please stop accusing me of trying to posture myself as an authority who "gets to determine" things. I have explicitly stated about five times now that I am not doing that. Okay?


That's one of the definitions of "objective".  "Independent of any one person".  That I - or anyone else, including Lars - doesn't give a shit about "production clarity" is indicative that "production clarity" is NOT the objective standard of "good production".   

Okay, but here's the thing. Maybe you and Lars are wrong. Maybe I'm wrong that clarity is the proper standard. I have said repeatedly that I'm willing to concede that possibility. But just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean that it is false. Just as you have said to me many, many times: You don't get to decide.


NO NO NO.   NO a thousand times NO.   "Brickwalled production" is only "bad" when the artist INTENDED clarity of production (or whatever the opposite of "brickwalled production" is) as part of his/her artistic statement.   YOU don't get to determine that.

Again, this opens a massive door for something that is actually inaudible to be considered good. You've clearly shown that you're okay with that. I'm not. I think it's insulting to people who are actually good at what they do to go up to them and say "Yes, you're good at what you do, but so is the guy who made the decision to make Death Magnetic literally painful to listen to for some people. You are both equally good. We cannot say that either of you is better than the other."


ONLY if you agree on what the standard is to measure it.  We now have two standards:  one is "clarity of production" and two is "the degree to which the artists intent is communicated to the listener (immaterial as to whether the listener actually gets it or not).  I think the former can be easy, the latter, maybe not so much.

Right, and as I pointed out, the latter is not a real standard. It's saying that the standard is that there are no standards.


Wrong. You couldn't possibly be more wrong.   It's terrible to YOU, but that's just you.  Not an objective standard.  I think Axl Rose's "dow-woo-our" pronunciations on "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" are a terrible idea too, but so be it.  He's the singer.  I think fading the solo on "Tonight" by Ozzy was a terrible idea, but so be it.  It's his song.  I hate the solo at the end of "Lucky Man" by ELP, terrible idea to ruin the beauty of the piece with that noise, but so be it.  It's Keith's spot.   Same with the "white noise" over the end of "I Want You".  John Lennon is one of the greats in modern music; he doesn't need us telling him what ideas are worthy and what are not.   

Now, some of these may be personal preferences, some not. I don't want to get into all of those—we're talking about production, not composition or perferomance, and all but one of those is related to one of those two and not production (though there are objective standards for those two as well, they're just harder to pin down). But terrible brickwalled production is terrible, because when you listen to the record you can't hear what's going it, it clips, it warps and it can be painful. That's actually bad, and if the "artist's intent" is to be bad, fine, but it's still bad.


No, they don't "magically turn it...".  It's not Schroedinger's Cat.  It was and always will be "good", you just didn't know it.

What if James was happy with it in 2008, but he decides to play it again now and realizes it's really bad and not what he wanted it to sound like at all?

I also notice that you ignored my comment about AJFA. This is something that you have to answer or this whole premise of subjectivism is internal contradictory. Lars likes the production on AJFA. It is what he intended. Jason hates it. It is not what he intended. Is the production on AJFA good, or bad? (For reference, I posit that it is bad, since one standard for quality in production surely must be that all the instruments are audible)

Also LOL at the very idea of calling the DM production good. But that's what is so often said about bad things that people only claim to be good by saying that there is no real standard of quality.


This fundamental to the discussion:  your example hopelessly and futilely confuses artist intent with listener/viewer reaction.   Is Beyoncé's new album more or less "art" than, say, "Scenes From A Memory"?

Art or not art is a binary condition. It makes no sense for something to be more art or less art than anything else. It can be better or worse art, but there's art and then there's not art. SFAM and Lemonade are both art. They are equally art by definition since there are no degrees of art.


if you made those murals with no other intention than selling them for $240 million, I would argue they are not art.   If each of those murals represents each of the ten years you spent with the girlfriend that broke your heart, it would be art.  Whether anyone sees them, or buys them is immaterial to that.   Not related at all.    And whether those are "good" or "bad" would depend on how accurately you translated that feeling.   

Untitled 1-10 all express my feelings about people saying that artistic quality is subjective. Some of them are white. Some of them are blue. Some of them are off-white—what is often called cream. And each and every one of them is worth $25 million. They are great masterpieces of art paralleled only by the work of a composer who didn't write a score and said that the score he did not write was a work of artistic genius.


Why isn't "silence" an element?   Robert Fripp - whom I consider the consummate artist in every way, and many agree - disagrees with you (look up "Trio", where Bill Bruford famously stood with his arms crossed and drumsticks in hand, consciously choosing NOT to play a note, and Fripp conspicuously gave him a writing credit for his choices).  Art is all about "choices".  In music, that is what to play and what not to play.

Silence is an element the same way that blank space on the canvas is an element. They aren't really elements, but they can act sort of like them by their position in relation to the elements. They're space between elements. And putting that space between elements can serve a great purpose in a painting or a composition. But if there are no elements and there is just space, then that is not art—it's not made up of any elements at all.


But you have.  You have deemed 4'33" to not be art, for some reason, and that's on you.

It's not art because it's nothing. Nothing is not art. It's nothing.

But if you think John Cage's nothing is so great, I have a great new album (https://eshop.macsales.com/imgs/ndesc/Memorex/MEMCDR80/MEMCDR80_gall2.jpg) to share with you. It's called "Memorex CD-R." Looks like it has three songs: 52X, 700MB and 80min. I hear it's a must-listen for fans of 4'33". Some people are even saying it's better than Cage's work. You should really check it out.


John Cage is one of the most esteemed and innovative and demanding compositional artists out there.  He requires you to reevaluate your preconceived notions constantly.   Yet you said his work (one of them) was "not art".   That's judgmental.

I don't know any of Cage's other compositions. One or more of them might be good, for all I know (in order for it to be good, it would have to contain actual music). But Cage is also considered a postmodernist. And though there are exceptions, I have typically found people associated with that movement to be [UK swearing incoming] pretentious wankers. I'm not applying that label to Cage's other works, though 4'33" alone deserves the title "pretentious wankery," but I certainly am applying it to the likes of James Joyce, who is the Jackson Pollock of literature.

And being judgmental is not a bad thing. In fact, it is a good thing. It's the only way to have any success in life. But of course, judgment can be harsh and mean and is totally incompatible with a view that places "whatever went through Kirk Hammett's brain in 2008" as more important than whether the result is enjoyable or even coherent.


I'm hardly an intellectual hipster.   "Expression" is the way that the Mona Lisa separates from the refrigerator you mentioned in a previous post.   There is no real "utility" to the Mona Lisa beyond the communication aspect.  Whether that "communication" is a statement on females of the sixteen century, or an attempt to elicit joy from the viewer is subject to the artist intent, but that painting doesn't make phone calls for you, or provide you access to the internet, or freeze your steaks. 

But the reason for the greatness of the Mona Lisa is not that it is an expression. Da Vinci expressed something by making that painting, yes, it's true. But the Mona Lisa is objectively better than the results of a hobo flinging paint at a wall. Maybe the hobo is expressing something just as strongly as Da Vinci was with the Mona Lisa, but only one is a great work of art. No, the point of the Mona Lisa is that it is the rearranging of elements of reality in accordance with the artist's judgment. Yes, the artist does express things, but this not the primary thing that makes something art. There are plenty of forms of expression that are not art—that means that "art is expression" is a bad definition.


Throwing your pillow is not an expression in that sense; it is utilitarian; you are ACTUALLY creating space on the couch.   I can't think of one, but there are ways of articulating that feeling in a broader sense that WOULD be art.

Yeah, or you could articulate it by coming up with a better definition than "art is expression." A better definition also allows you to throw out nonsense like 4'33" that just expresses "I'm really pretentious, but also I don't want to have to put in the work of actually writing a score."


Yes, actually, but don't confuse "good" with "you like it".   And don't confuse what I said earlier about establishing a standard for a particular purpose.   everyone and their brother thinks they could be a music critic, and I call bullshit on that.  "Whoa, this album kicks major ass! It's AWESOME!" is not music critique.   Classical criticism is a complex and intricate thing, and most (I would say all, but there's probably one somewhere) classic criticisms take the form of "establish context, establish standard, compare work in context to standard".    The judgment is separate from that assessment of "good" or "bad".  There are absolutely ways to get to your wish to judge things.  There is a reason that albums like "Sgt. Pepper" and "Pet Sounds" are considered classics in their field, and it's not because one person said "oh, that is GOOD!".   It's because there is a synergy between the efforts of the artist to hew as close as possible to their vision at a time when that vision was fresh and the adherence wasn't as easy as sitting in your mom's basement with a laptop and running pre-programmed beats.   Whether any one person "likes" Sgt. Pepper's or not is immaterial to it's consideration as a classic piece of art.  I am a Beatles maniac, and it's not my first or second favorite album by them, but I would absolutely consider it their "masterwork" if we were using such a term.  Bob Dylan is another example.  I have 2,000 CDs plus or minus and not one Dylan Cd, and likely never will. He is unlistenable to me.  Hate his music.   Yet, it would be stupid and churlish of me to not recognize that in the context of American music of the last 50 years, he is one of the three "classic" artists.

Almost all of this paragraph is actually quite a good description of what makes some music good and some not. Why throw in that first sentence which contradicts the whole thing?


Conceptually, yes.   IKEA perhaps does that.

A refrigerator is art. This is the kind of absurd conclusion that you've demonstrated you're fine with. The fact that you get to such a bizarre conclusion doesn't seem to suggest to you at all that some of your premises may need checking. Well, I'm not fine with such an absurd conclusion.

This debate matters, and here's why. When you throw out all standards in art and make it entirely about the artist's intent, you've ruined art. You've certainly attacked great art. Because when you say that random paint splatter is no worse than the Mona Lisa, that degrades the Mona Lisa to the same status as the paint splatter. The whole trend of artistic subjectivism is probably why fewer people appreciate the truly great historical works of art today—because they have been equated with miserable works that are not great. If Jackson Pollock's splatter is considered a "great work of art," but nobody can make heads or tails of it at all, most people won't even bother looking at "other great works of art" that are actually great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Oh yea, I won't argue that. Metallica has created some incredible music that was able to transcend genres in a way that no other heavy metal band really has. Also, I personally think a lot of it (it meaning the way they pull people in during live performances) rests solely in the charisma of Het.

James Hetfield is Metallica. Plain and simple. He is the heart and soul of that band.

I agree with a lot of this, especially at this point. I mean, first of all, yes, no doubt, Het is one of the most charismatic frontmen in rock. He commands an audience and draws people in.

There was a time when it wasn't really true that "James Hetfield is Metallica." I think you'd say that in 1985, Metallica was maybe something like 35% James, 30% Cliff, 20% Kirk and 15% Lars. And during the 90s, Kirk played a bit of a bigger role. Maybe 45% James, 30% Kirk, 15% Lars, 10% Jason. But now, Kirk has declined so much that it's hard to say he plays much of a bigger role than Lars, whose ability has also diminshed. Rob is talented, and I definitely consider him to be part of the good half of Metallica—the half that can still go out and play the songs as they should be played and consistently give a good show—but he's still definitely "the new guy." At this point, yeah, James is probably about 60-70% of Metallica (James 65%, Rob 15%, Lars 10%, Kirk 10%?). But it still works because he's that good of a rhythm player and frontman.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 09:17:30 PM
What the hell is going on in here?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
A lengthy debate about the nature of art, run through with Metallica discussion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 30, 2016, 09:43:17 PM
Walls of text. Walls of text as far as the eye can see.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
A lengthy debate about the nature of art, run through with Metallica discussion.

Well, that's your subjective of opinion of what's going on. I pay it no mind, sir!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 30, 2016, 10:13:10 PM
Walls of text. Walls of text as far as the eye can see.
Walls of text
Imprisoning me
All that I read
Absolute niggling
I cannot quote
I cannot post
Trapped in minutiae
Objectivity the controversy

Disagreement
Has taken this forum
Taken its thread
Taken its members
Taken its posts
Taken its pages
Taken its purpose
Left me with a song to parody
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on June 30, 2016, 10:24:24 PM
The thread that should not be .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on July 01, 2016, 05:48:14 AM
Can we just turn the page on this?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 01, 2016, 06:04:03 AM
I kinda like the discussion we're having here. Truthfully, nothing else matters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 01, 2016, 06:31:09 AM
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on July 01, 2016, 08:48:26 AM
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.

But that's not the name of a Metallica song. This post is clearly the thorn within the side of the pun train that was going on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on July 01, 2016, 08:51:12 AM
The mods are going to hunt you down with no mercy if you don't knock it off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on July 01, 2016, 09:38:04 AM
The mods are going to hunt you down with no mercy if you don't knock it off.
Sad, but true.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on July 01, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
When I say that there are objective standards and that I am trying to identify what those are, it is not the same thing as me saying that I am the universal decider and what I say goes.

This is not that difficult and yet you continue, time after time, to act like I am trying to make myself the final artistic authority. I am not. There is a difference between "there is a truth, and this is what I think that truth might be" and "what I say is the truth because I am saying it." Please stop accusing me of trying to posture myself as an authority who "gets to determine" things. I have explicitly stated about five times now that I am not doing that. Okay?

Okay, then, I'll phrase the argument differently:  when it comes to "music production", there is no universal truth, or objective standard.  Period.   

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Okay, but here's the thing. Maybe you and Lars are wrong. Maybe I'm wrong that clarity is the proper standard. I have said repeatedly that I'm willing to concede that possibility. But just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean that it is false. Just as you have said to me many, many times: You don't get to decide.

Of course we can be wrong.  We're human.  And here's where you have to understand me:   I don't at all think I'm right.  NOT AT ALL.  That's the very premise of my argument.  Because I can't be right all the time - neither can you, or Lars - anything that arbitrarily decides between two things can't be right either.  I'm not deciding at all; remember, I don't think there can be a standard.  We're not arguing a binary thing here; you're not saying "on" and I'm saying "off.   What's really happening is that you are saying "on", and I'm saying "there is no switch". 

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Again, this opens a massive door for something that is actually inaudible to be considered good. You've clearly shown that you're okay with that. I'm not. I think it's insulting to people who are actually good at what they do to go up to them and say "Yes, you're good at what you do, but so is the guy who made the decision to make Death Magnetic literally painful to listen to for some people. You are both equally good. We cannot say that either of you is better than the other."

YES.   Something can be considered "good" even if it is inaudible.   Are you familiar with any of The Flaming Lips "audio experiments"?  The boomboxes in the parking lots and such? 

I think your "insulting" comment misses the point.  It's no different than Steve Vai being "insulted" if Kurt Cobain wins a "Guitar God" award.  Notwithstanding that I think a true professional would be smart enough to look at where the skill really was ("wow, sounds like shit, but it took a lot of patience, effort, and dexterity to get there!").  You're dealing with a logical fallacy:  you can't say "wow, I'm insulted! That sounds like SHIT!" UNLESS the assumption is that "not sounding like shit" is the standard.  I'm saying that assumption is not necessarily right for all people.

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Now, some of these may be personal preferences, some not. I don't want to get into all of those—we're talking about production, not composition or perferomance, and all but one of those is related to one of those two and not production (though there are objective standards for those two as well, they're just harder to pin down). But terrible brickwalled production is terrible, because when you listen to the record you can't hear what's going it, it clips, it warps and it can be painful. That's actually bad, and if the "artist's intent" is to be bad, fine, but it's still bad.

I don't see any difference between "production" and "composition" or "performance".  I know some do, but I don't. I think they are all but steps between the germ of the idea in the artists head and me sitting with a Guiness and enjoying my latest CD purchase. 

Do you not believe that art may in fact present unpleasant emotions?  Was the beginning of "Saving Private Ryan", probably the hardest 45 minutes of film I've ever had to watch, meant to be "pleasant" or "pleasing"?  Many good artists challenge us.   Sometimes "challenging us" is to make us uncomfortable.   Lars von Trier does not make "pleasing, pleasant" films.  They are jarring, they are sometimes painful (watch the whipping scene in "Nymphomania").  These are emotions, like any other. 

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What if James was happy with it in 2008, but he decides to play it again now and realizes it's really bad and not what he wanted it to sound like at all?

He's the artist; his prerogative.  This is not all that uncommon.  Def Leppard with Slang.  Phil Collins with the drum sound on "Invisible Touch".  Some artists update their catalogue as they go; rerecording.  George Lucas is both infamous and reviled for this.

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I also notice that you ignored my comment about AJFA. This is something that you have to answer or this whole premise of subjectivism is internal contradictory. Lars likes the production on AJFA. It is what he intended. Jason hates it. It is not what he intended. Is the production on AJFA good, or bad? (For reference, I posit that it is bad, since one standard for quality in production surely must be that all the instruments are audible)

Well, I didn't answer because I felt the answer would be too complicated, and perhaps not one that we on the outside could ascertain.   There are two levels to this:  the simple one is "who had the final call?".   The producer for ...AJFA is "Metallica and Fleming Rasmussen".   Rasmussen wasn't there for the mixing, but Hetfield and Ulrich were.  Later Metallica albums were produced by "Bob Rock, Lars Ulrich, and James Hetfield".   So my answer is "Ulrich".  He's the producer, not Jason.   the other level is that this isn't really a question germane to this conversation.  This is more about democracy and decision-making in bands than "production". 

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Also LOL at the very idea of calling the DM production good. But that's what is so often said about bad things that people only claim to be good by saying that there is no real standard of quality.

That's not really accurate, and that's not what I'm saying, necessarily.  I mean, I am saying there is no "standard", but I'm willing to accept that there IS a standard, I just wouldn't put it at something so subjective that if you polled ten people you would get ten different answers. 

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Art or not art is a binary condition. It makes no sense for something to be more art or less art than anything else. It can be better or worse art, but there's art and then there's not art. SFAM and Lemonade are both art. They are equally art by definition since there are no degrees of art.

I'd buy that for a dollar.

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Untitled 1-10 all express my feelings about people saying that artistic quality is subjective. Some of them are white. Some of them are blue. Some of them are off-white—what is often called cream. And each and every one of them is worth $25 million. They are great masterpieces of art paralleled only by the work of a composer who didn't write a score and said that the score he did not write was a work of artistic genius.

I can't comment on this, one, because I get a tone of sarcasm, two, I'm not sure I understand the point, and three, you don't get to decide "what they are worth"; the market does.  "Worth" in terms of monetary value is not related, necessarily, to artistic considerations.

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Silence is an element the same way that blank space on the canvas is an element. They aren't really elements, but they can act sort of like them by their position in relation to the elements. They're space between elements. And putting that space between elements can serve a great purpose in a painting or a composition. But if there are no elements and there is just space, then that is not art—it's not made up of any elements at all.

Says you.  I opt for Fripp's (and Jackson Pollock's) interpretation.  They are, after all, "artists". 

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It's not art because it's nothing. Nothing is not art. It's nothing.

Then it IS art, because it ISN'T nothing.  You can have an mp3 of '4:33' that is more than zero bytes.   It is also a statement, and a rather clear one.  So it IS art.


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But if you think John Cage's nothing is so great, I have a great new album (https://eshop.macsales.com/imgs/ndesc/Memorex/MEMCDR80/MEMCDR80_gall2.jpg) to share with you. It's called "Memorex CD-R." Looks like it has three songs: 52X, 700MB and 80min. I hear it's a must-listen for fans of 4'33". Some people are even saying it's better than Cage's work. You should really check it out.

Your sarcasm is both tiresome and illustrative that you do not understand the point.   I'm not mocking you, or being sarcastic with you.  If you opt for that tack, I'll put Cram out of his misery and end this. 

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I don't know any of Cage's other compositions. One or more of them might be good, for all I know (in order for it to be good, it would have to contain actual music). But Cage is also considered a postmodernist. And though there are exceptions, I have typically found people associated with that movement to be [UK swearing incoming] pretentious wankers. I'm not applying that label to Cage's other works, though 4'33" alone deserves the title "pretentious wankery," but I certainly am applying it to the likes of James Joyce, who is the Jackson Pollock of literature.

Who said that for it to be good it has to contain actual music?  Can you post that link?  Art has no "rules", per se.  Whether someone is a "pretentious wanker" or not is not indicative of whether it is "art" or not. 

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And being judgmental is not a bad thing. In fact, it is a good thing. It's the only way to have any success in life. But of course, judgment can be harsh and mean and is totally incompatible with a view that places "whatever went through Kirk Hammett's brain in 2008" as more important than whether the result is enjoyable or even coherent.

So calling poor people "lazy" and transgender people "whiners and psychos" is a good thing?  I'm going to beg off pursuing that line of inquiry. 

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But the reason for the greatness of the Mona Lisa is not that it is an expression. Da Vinci expressed something by making that painting, yes, it's true. But the Mona Lisa is objectively better than the results of a hobo flinging paint at a wall. Maybe the hobo is expressing something just as strongly as Da Vinci was with the Mona Lisa, but only one is a great work of art. No, the point of the Mona Lisa is that it is the rearranging of elements of reality in accordance with the artist's judgment. Yes, the artist does express things, but this not the primary thing that makes something art. There are plenty of forms of expression that are not art—that means that "art is expression" is a bad definition.

You contradict yourself.   If DaVinci is just "rearranging the elements of reality", so is Cage. So was Bruford (arguably his very presence influenced the final work; how do you know that Wetton didn't choose notes based on the assumption that Bruford WAS going to play?)

I think above all things your position calls for an almost unlimited number of assumptions that you can't make - no one can - and that is why I respond.   I think a refreshment of "Occam's Razor" (I mean the real meaning of it, not the pop culture interpretation) might be in order.  My position has almost no assumptions under it, and if it does have any, it's for the artist to determine, not you and me.


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Yeah, or you could articulate it by coming up with a better definition than "art is expression." A better definition also allows you to throw out nonsense like 4'33" that just expresses "I'm really pretentious, but also I don't want to have to put in the work of actually writing a score."

Even if that IS the expression, it's still an expression, isn't it?   How is Cage's "pretentions", which actually make you think, any better than another very pretentious artist (that I know you love), Chris Martin?  I'm not digging on Coldplay - I like them very much and have all their albums, including all the b-sides up to and including those for "X&Y" - but "pretentious wanker" is subjective, and therefore doesn't qualify in any way in determining whether we're talking about art or not.

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Almost all of this paragraph is actually quite a good description of what makes some music good and some not. Why throw in that first sentence which contradicts the whole thing?

Not sure at all how it conflicts.  It's the PREMISE for all that comes after.


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A refrigerator is art. This is the kind of absurd conclusion that you've demonstrated you're fine with. The fact that you get to such a bizarre conclusion doesn't seem to suggest to you at all that some of your premises may need checking. Well, I'm not fine with such an absurd conclusion.

Well, you're over simplifying to the point of absurdity.  I didn't at all say "a refrigerator is art" as a blanket statement.  It is subject to context.   

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This debate matters, and here's why. When you throw out all standards in art and make it entirely about the artist's intent, you've ruined art. You've certainly attacked great art. Because when you say that random paint splatter is no worse than the Mona Lisa, that degrades the Mona Lisa to the same status as the paint splatter. The whole trend of artistic subjectivism is probably why fewer people appreciate the truly great historical works of art today—because they have been equated with miserable works that are not great. If Jackson Pollock's splatter is considered a "great work of art," but nobody can make heads or tails of it at all, most people won't even bother looking at "other great works of art" that are actually great.

I'm glad you wrote that, because I think it illuminates the disconnect.   You are missing a key step.   The Mona Lisa is not "better" because it just is, or because there is some universal standard.    It is only "better" in the context of some stated standard that has to be declared by the person making that assessment.   There are thousands of BOOKS (not just words) written on what makes the "Mona Lisa" great.  We're not going to pinpoint why here, but we can say that it will be based on some stated standard specific to that analysis and not some universal standard that everyone agrees with.   And I am unequivocally right here, because of the latter half of your paragraph; you disparage Jackson Pollock as "paint splatter", and yet he IS considered one of the greats of the art world, was a rock star of sorts during his life.  Recently (the last ten years or so) it's come out that his stuff ISN'T "random paint splatters" and whether you buy in that he meant it, researchers can tell using fractal analysis - with an almost 95% success rate - between a true "Pollock" and someone looking to imitate him.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on July 01, 2016, 10:35:49 AM
Can we just turn the page on this?

I just got that.   Well played, sir.   I have no remorse for where I have taken this thread.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 01, 2016, 10:40:02 AM
DEATH MAGNETIC
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on July 01, 2016, 10:45:36 AM
Serious question:  does anyone know what that title actually means?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 01, 2016, 10:51:28 AM
Serious question:  does anyone know what that title actually means?

Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.

It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.

But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )

and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on July 01, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
Serious question:  does anyone know what that title actually means?

Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.

It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.

But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )

and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.

And zombie too probably.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on July 01, 2016, 12:59:54 PM
Stadler, I'll reply to your post later today, but if you don't mind, I'm going to post it in a new thread and link back to the respective posts in this one in the OP. I think the discussion we're having is interesting, but it barely relates to Metallica anymore and is probably getting in the way of the Metallica discussion in this thread. Which is actually a more relevant thread than usual because they have an album coming!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 01, 2016, 07:55:17 PM
Serious question:  does anyone know what that title actually means?

Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.

It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.

But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )

and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.

Also, it is a perfect anagram for Can It Megadeth. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 02, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
Serious question:  does anyone know what that title actually means?

Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.

It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.

But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )

and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.

Also, it is a perfect anagram for Can It Megadeth.

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2016, 08:33:03 AM
We have a date!

https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-set-october-release-date-for-10th-studio-album
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kipkjustm on July 06, 2016, 08:38:35 AM
So exciting, it's been a long eight years! :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 08:47:44 AM
We have a date!

https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-set-october-release-date-for-10th-studio-album

I hope this is true, but apparently the source of all of this is a German tabloid called BILD which has a reputation for not being reliable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 06, 2016, 08:52:16 AM
That would be great. I wouldn't exactly describe Bild as a reliable source of information though. That tabloid is properly shit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on July 06, 2016, 09:40:19 AM
So exciting, it's been a long eight years! :metal
I'm curious as to why 'Lulu' is almost always completely ignored when it comes to Metallica's discography. Sure, it's sung by Lou Reed. But, Metallica is the band behind it, and they did spend time recording it. So, to me, the band hasn't been that lazy.

(Having said that, it has been 5 years since 'Lulu', so I understand the excitement behind new music)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on July 06, 2016, 09:42:48 AM
So exciting, it's been a long eight years! :metal
I'm curious as to why 'Lulu' is almost always completely ignored when it comes to Metallica's discography. Sure, it's sung by Lou Reed. But, Metallica is the band behind it, and they did spend time recording it. So, to me, the band hasn't been that lazy.

(Having said that, it has been 5 years since 'Lulu', so I understand the excitement behind new music)

Because all parties involved have explicitly stated that Lulu is not part of the Metallica discography. Honestly though, there were great moments of music in that album, sadly they didn't last terribly long. But if the new album has the production of Lulu and some fo the same quality riffs/grooves, I'd be happy. If they try to go all thrash again and get a DM style production, then I'm afraid I won't have any interest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 09:55:42 AM
Because all parties involved have explicitly stated that Lulu is not part of the Metallica discography. Honestly though, there were great moments of music in that album, sadly they didn't last terribly long. But if the new album has the production of Lulu and some fo the same quality riffs/grooves, I'd be happy. If they try to go all thrash again and get a DM style production, then I'm afraid I won't have any interest.

I'd agree with all of that.

Also, they have done a lot of other stuff since DM beyond Lulu (BM, Orion, TTN Movie), most fans just want them to put out a new album though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 06, 2016, 10:23:10 AM
Because all parties involved have explicitly stated that Lulu is not part of the Metallica discography. Honestly though, there were great moments of music in that album, sadly they didn't last terribly long. But if the new album has the production of Lulu and some fo the same quality riffs/grooves, I'd be happy. If they try to go all thrash again and get a DM style production, then I'm afraid I won't have any interest.

I'd agree with all of that.

Also, they have done a lot of other stuff since DM beyond Lulu (BM, Orion, TTN Movie), most fans just want them to put out a new album though.

I wish they could afford to continue Orion. I had such a great time when I went to the first one in Atlantic City and I only really liked three of the bands there (Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, and Volbeat). I have never had a better weekend than I did at that festival.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 06, 2016, 10:36:20 AM
I wish they could afford to continue Orion. I had such a great time when I went to the first one in Atlantic City and I only really liked three of the bands there (Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, and Volbeat). I have never had a better weekend than I did at that festival.

Yeah, I heard it was a financial disaster for the band. I agree it sounded like a cool event and I would love to go to one, but I don't see it happening if they can't even break even.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 18, 2016, 01:43:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBHL3v4d3I

So there you go. New single.

EDIT:
New album is called "Hardwired...To Self-Destruct" coming out November 18.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBHL3v4d3I

So there you go. New single.

EDIT:
New album is called "Hardwired...To Self-Destruct" coming out November 18.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

We're so fucked, shit out of luck  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 18, 2016, 01:50:22 PM
Looks like a double album?!?

https://metallica.com/store/htsd/10688/hardwired-to-self-destruct-cd
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on August 18, 2016, 01:52:38 PM
The riffs are definitely the same style as Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on August 18, 2016, 01:53:33 PM
I feel like Kirk has played that exact solo like three times before.

Other than that (and the lyrics, but that's never been their strong suit), I'm pleasantly surprised. Some great riffs going on, and James still sounds pretty good. The production is also a lot better than DM.

Not sure what I think of the cover, though, and some of the song titles sound quite un-Metallica-esque.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 18, 2016, 01:55:44 PM
I feel like Kirk has played that exact solo like three times before.

Other than that (and the lyrics, but that's never been their strong suit), I'm pleasantly surprised. Some great riffs going on, and James still sounds pretty good. The production is also a lot better than DM.

Agreed on all counts. I felt like I could guess note for note that Kirk solo while listening to it for the first time. Riffs are definitely DMish, but just sound so much better with what seems like, upon first impression, much better production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
Production is great. Finally. Lars actually he sounds on top of the beat.

Pointless solo....but no wah!

And yea, bad lyrics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on August 18, 2016, 02:01:27 PM
I was just blasting it and my ears and head don't hurt, so that's a step up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2016, 02:02:27 PM
Song's pretty solid, the lyrics are just shit, but whatever, this is some pretty good metal music out of metallica... and yea, production is  :tup

Bet this would be fun live... any chance they play it this weekend?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 18, 2016, 02:05:15 PM
I'd really love for Metallica to feel relevant but to me they just don't any more. It's like they've become a parody of themselves or something.

It didn't sound bad but nothing surprised me there at all. It's Metallica so I'll definitely get the album, but for the record, I'm not happy about it  :lol

Not a fan of either the album cover or title either.

Here's hoping (as always) that I'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't want to come off too negative about this though, I'm glad it's actually going to be out this year. Another album in the vein of DM will be fine by me as I enjoyed the majority of the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on August 18, 2016, 02:07:39 PM
Not sure what I think of the cover, though, and some of the song titles sound quite un-Metallica-esque.

The cover is probably a some kind of senile statement about the state of music industry, how album art doesn't matter that much anymore etc.

James once again shows the riffing talent, but nothing special otherwise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 18, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
Also, a double album with 6 songs on each disc means we are in for some long songs  :biggrin: that puts a big smile on my face.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on August 18, 2016, 02:10:57 PM
The song is pretty cool, way better than i expected from them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 18, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
Also, a double album with 6 songs on each disc means we are in for some long songs  :biggrin: that puts a big smile on my face.

Their website press release says nearly 80 minutes of music... So why the heck is it on two CDs?!  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on August 18, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
Am I the only one who found this new song really boring?

I'll stick with Death Magnetic, still one of my favorite Metallica albums. Maybe Metallica is no longer relevant to me but I'll still check out the album once it comes out. Gotta agree James' vocals are still on point though, he's the man.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 18, 2016, 02:18:16 PM
I'd really love for Metallica to feel relevant but to me they just don't any more. It's like they've become a parody of themselves or something.

It didn't sound bad but nothing surprised me there at all. It's Metallica so I'll definitely get the album, but for the record, I'm not happy about it  :lol

Not a fan of either the album cover or title either.

Here's hoping (as always) that I'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't want to come off too negative about this though, I'm glad it's actually going to be out this year. Another album in the vein of DM will be fine by me as I enjoyed the majority of the album.

Pretty much this for me. I swear I'v heard this song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 18, 2016, 02:24:16 PM
Also, the swearing seems childish for some reason. Maybe I'm just getting old.  :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on August 18, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
I hope it's a double album because of few minutes too many over 78-80, and not because of self indulgent boring looooong songs.

Listening right now on YouTube, sound quality is good, and the song itself seems nice, it gives a feel of heard it all before but it's not bad... let's hope for the album!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 02:36:45 PM
Album is up on iTunes for Pre - Order. You can download the song now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NunoTenniscourt on August 18, 2016, 02:57:24 PM
Also, the swearing seems childish for some reason. Maybe I'm just getting old.  :D

Nah, you're not. I confess to being the absolute epitome of a "potty mouth" (in the right time and place, though, of course) but this just sounds silly.
It's like they're trying too hard to be edgy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TioJorge on August 18, 2016, 02:58:27 PM
I laughed for about ten minutes because the new Pokemon and this album are releasing on the same day. That fact alone is more metal than Metallica.

That said...it's kind of sad to think that I'm kind of just not into Metallica anymore. The song did nothing for me, and it wasn't like a "omigosh I am /valleygirlvoice SO OVER /valleygirlvoice this". But I was just indifferent. I agree with some others in that it was a bit boring, all too similar to Death Magnetic riffs and all around uninspired. I'm just kind of done with the thrash metal scene. Which is fine. Metallica got me into music, I listened to them religiously throughout my early teens into my college years and have seen 'em multiple times in concert; I definitely had my time with the dudes but with DM doing not much for me and this new song doing even less... It's just one of those sad things in life that isn't really sad, but cause nostalgia it is.

Anyway, I hope the album does well because it does "sound" (sonically) a whole shit ton better than the past couple albums.

Also still can't get over Poketallica day. No... Metallimon. Yes. November 18th. Metallimon day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
HARDWIRED...TO CATCH EM ALL
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on August 18, 2016, 03:04:25 PM
That's gotta be the worst kick drum sound I've heard in the last few years. Sounds like a really shitty trigger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
That's gotta be the worst kick drum sound I've heard in the last few years. Sounds like a really shitty trigger.

Shitty kick sounds in modern metal are par for the course these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 18, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
It's alright.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on August 18, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
The new song is...okay. I'll listen to the album when it comes out, but I doubt it'll have any staying power. As far as thrash is concerned, I'm much more excited for the new Testament record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 18, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
At this point I will just be getting the new album because it's Metallica. I mean it is possible for 80's thrash bands to still be releasing relevant records, Megadeth and Testament are managing it just fine. It just sucks that Metallica, my favourite all time band, can't do it.

I think at the turn of the century they realised that for the first time they weren't relevant anymore. I honestly think this is what lead to St Anger, it was like a reaction to Iowa by Slipknot and metalcore. They wanted to show they could still be edgy. Unfortunately any attempt at them trying to be edgy nowadays just seems laughable. I wish it weren't true but that's how I see it.

Think they are stuck trying to recreate their vibe and pleasing the fans.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 18, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
The new song is...okay. I'll listen to the album when it comes out, but I doubt it'll have any staying power. As far as thrash is concerned, I'm much more excited for the new Testament record.

Definitely, Testament, I think have the best back catalogue out of all the 80's thrash bands. They may not have had a Master of Puppets, Rust in Peace or Reign in Blood but they managed to release consistently good albums and stay relevant, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 03:23:20 PM
I'll buy the album.

I loved Death Magnetic once they bought out the iTunes remaster.

The production of the new song is great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 18, 2016, 03:24:55 PM
Fun little rocker - very typical Metallica but sounds well-produced for the first time in, what, 20 years? And it's energetic and entertaining. I'd have no interest in a whole album of that, but if it's a 12-song 2-disc album then there's plenty of scope for variety and songs that have more going on, so I'm cool with this as a single.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on August 18, 2016, 03:25:10 PM
I don't mind that new song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Fun little rocker - very typical Metallica but sounds well-produced for the first time in, what, 20 years? And it's energetic and entertaining. I'd have no interest in a whole album of that, but if it's a 12-song 2-disc album then there's plenty of scope for variety and songs that have more going on, so I'm cool with this as a single.

• Great Production √

• Vocal Harmonies

• Composed Solos


Also i want an album with a bit of everything. I even want some Reload style weirdness like Where The Wild Things Are and Carpe Diem Baby.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 18, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
They sound younger here than they sounded 8 years ago in Death Magnetic. I'm getting this.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 04:06:31 PM
They sound younger here than they sounded 8 years ago in Death Magnetic. I'm getting this.

No Rick RUIN producing this time.



...What is it with Ricks ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on August 18, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
They sound younger here than they sounded 8 years ago in Death Magnetic. I'm getting this.

No Rick RUIN producing this time.



...What is it with Ricks ?

Every single frame has so many things going on...

ont: It was alright, better than I expected even though that bar is set low after the last two albums. Haven't really listened to Metallica since the last album came out though. They were such a big part of my teenage angst rebellion phase, and I've never really gone back since. I might check out the album out of pure curiosity, but I'm hoping for some good reviews to encourage me. If this thing comes out and people say it's on par, or worse than the last 2, that will probably scare me away.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 04:19:50 PM
Sonically so far it sounds like the best thing they've recorded since Garage Inc Disc 1.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2016, 04:29:44 PM
Not a bad song, but not too good either.  Yeah, it's fast and heavy, but the lyrics are embarrassing and Heltfield's delivery of them is not good (although having them phrased to where the words are talked at rapid fire pace doesn't help). 

And put me in the camp of those who think the drums sound terrible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2016, 04:32:03 PM
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.

I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.

Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.


Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 18, 2016, 04:44:00 PM
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.

I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.

Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.


Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.


This is the full edit of the song.  It's this long on iTunes plus it's been confirmed by Metallica Staff on their Official Forum.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 18, 2016, 04:44:58 PM
New Metallica! All righty!
I like the album cover, I don't mind the title, I like most song names, I love that it's a double album with only 12 songs.
I don't like the new song, if it was on Death Magnetic it would have been the worse song on Death Magnetic. But it does sound like some of the faster songs on DM and I love DM btw.
I'm gonna bet that Hardwired is the shortest song on the album and that's not bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2016, 04:45:55 PM
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.

I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.

Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.


Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.


This is the full edit of the song.  It's this long on iTunes plus it's been confirmed by Metallica Staff on their Official Forum.

Awesome! Thanks :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Elite on August 18, 2016, 05:04:02 PM
I can't have been the only one who thought of the Tenacious D battle with the devil when I heard that chorus:

"we're so fucked, shit out of luck" - come on guys, that's just silly. At least Tenacious D completed the silliness: "now I'm complete and my cock you will suck"

for those who have no idea what I'm talking about (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOBKxUT9Da4)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 18, 2016, 05:08:49 PM
I'm so hard right now I can't even think. My favorite band is back. Sensory overload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 18, 2016, 05:17:15 PM
Not bad, but generic as fuck.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 18, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9CYmbUUAAUTMi.jpg:large)

 :rollin

Just seen this on Facebook.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 18, 2016, 06:19:38 PM
I dunno why I think this might turn out to be a concept album, there's a good chance Metallica aren't even familiar with what that is, which is okay, so highly unlikely. But something about the double album and the song titles gave me that thought.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on August 18, 2016, 06:24:58 PM
I liked it. Sounds like a much better My Apocalypse. The chorus' lyrics are kinda disappointing though. They remind me of Petrucci's "I wish I weren't so fucked!" on As I Am  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 18, 2016, 06:40:07 PM
Hey man "I wish I weren't so fucked!" is the most DT lyric I ever related to heh
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on August 18, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
It was alright. I'm not really a thrash fan and was hoping for them to move a little more toward a Black Album sound rather than further in the thrash direction. I'll hold judgment until the album comes out, though.

I do think the album title and some of the song titles are pretty bad. Particularly "ManUNkind."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on August 18, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
Besides the bad lyrics this is a pretty decent song. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ytsejam58 on August 18, 2016, 09:04:48 PM
It just sounds very simple. But hey! I'm excited either way! New Metallica since 2010. and honestly, I'm exciting for anything after a certain album that came out early this year... Not naming names because I have already talked to death about it and I'm tired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on August 18, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
The new song is...okay. I'll listen to the album when it comes out, but I doubt it'll have any staying power. As far as thrash is concerned, I'm much more excited for the new Testament record.

Definitely, Testament, I think have the best back catalogue out of all the 80's thrash bands. They may not have had a Master of Puppets, Rust in Peace or Reign in Blood but they managed to release consistently good albums and stay relevant, IMO.

I'd argue that The Gathering is on the same level as those three. I doubt I'll ever tire of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 18, 2016, 09:58:00 PM
I wonder if there's gonna be an instrumental on this one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metaliica are amazing at melody.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on August 18, 2016, 10:08:11 PM
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metaliica are amazing at melody.

The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on August 18, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
Pretty meh song really, I can see myself skipping this every single time if the rest of the album is better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2016, 10:09:38 PM
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metallica are amazing at melody.

The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).

They don't even need to blend it with thrash. Have some thrashy stuff like whatever they just released, and also some really melodic stuff, as opposed to trying for a 95% thrash album with a small melodic section thrown in for no reason.

Black Album and Load had some incredible melodic songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 18, 2016, 10:16:08 PM
I wonder if there's gonna be an instrumental on this one.

The radio guy asked Lars that on a facebook live chat earlier but Lars didn't wanna talk about details yet. I think if there was one her would have said yes.

I'm excited either way! New Metallica since 2010.

Since 2008 actually, 4 DT albums ago to put it in perspective :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on August 18, 2016, 10:18:12 PM
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metallica are amazing at melody.

The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).

They don't even need to blend it with thrash. Have some thrashy stuff like whatever they just released, and also some really melodic stuff, as opposed to trying for a 95% thrash album with a small melodic section thrown in for no reason.

Black Album and Load had some credible melodic songs.


I understand that but personally I loved the earlier stuff where they DID mix the melodic with the thrashy within an individual song. Black Album onward it tended to be either/or/neither it seems. I don't mind the thrashy or the melodic stuff they've done but I love when they blended them both epically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on August 18, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
With regards to the new song... I kinda like it and hope for even better on the new album. The chorus is weak and should have been worked on some more, I don't mind the rest of the lyrics so much. The drums aren't quite right but the production is so much better that I can forgive it on this tune. The guitar solo is not much but I suppose on this sort of straight forward type song it doesn't have to be; but could have been better. I sorta like the album cover but I don't tend to get too bent out of shape over that for my music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2016, 10:25:12 PM
Oh I totally get that, and I also agree that they likely just lost the ability to blend the two.

Given that, I'd appreciate a more even mix, and not just 95% thrash with some meh melodic stuff thrown in for no real reason.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2016, 10:38:00 PM
The song sounds like a reject from DM. Very bland and forgettable, generic melodies, terrible lyrics.

As for the good, the performances are sounding solid, Het's vocals are as good as DM, the production is overall very good (although the vocals are too high and dry again), and the drum sound is improved. Kirk's solo isn't good, but it doesn't outstay its welcome.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TioJorge on August 18, 2016, 11:16:32 PM
That's gotta be the worst kick drum sound I've heard in the last few years. Sounds like a really shitty trigger.

This so much.

Now, that said...it's still miles better than DM and SA. I only got a headache halfway through the song instead of twenty seconds in. But even so...that was by far the worst part of the song for me, and it was constant throughout its entirety.

I was wondering if it was just me but most people seem to like the drums (or at least don't mind them). I thought, other than the lyrics, that was the worst part.

I'm also apparently in the minority in that I love the album cover. But I suppose that won't help if I don't like the music.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2016, 11:42:10 PM
I hadn't actually seen the cover yet. That's um....... yeah...... :lol

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on August 18, 2016, 11:52:04 PM
I like the cover  better than Death Magnetic's but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 19, 2016, 12:29:01 AM
I'm also apparently in the minority in that I love the album cover. But I suppose that won't help if I don't like the music.  :lol

I like the album cover, been looking at it a bit now trying to fully understand what's going on there, kinda trippy. Lars is the only face that doesn't intensely overlap with any other face. You can see at least 3 James faces and I'm not 100% sure if Rob is the guy on the left and Kirk on the right or vice-versa.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on August 19, 2016, 12:49:54 AM
Pretty cool song actually, don't mind the album cover too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Polarbear on August 19, 2016, 01:03:16 AM
Pretty meh song really, I can see myself skipping this every single time if the rest of the album is better.

My thoughts exactly.

But this is a double album and something like 12(?) songs, so i'm sure there will be something i like.

But honestly, i think this thing is never going to live up to the hype.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 19, 2016, 01:15:58 AM
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.
Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 02:01:26 AM
It's not really a double album. It's just packaged that way...

The run time is just under 80 minutes.

It's possible it was just a hair over a single CD and they didn't want any issues.

I like the idea of two discs anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 02:10:40 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 02:12:36 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on August 19, 2016, 02:14:19 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.

Hardwired/ReHardwired
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 02:15:50 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.

Hardwired/ReHardwired

HardwiREd
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 19, 2016, 02:49:22 AM
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.
Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on August 19, 2016, 03:50:01 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.

Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.

They didn't "compromise" like they did with Load, when they cut one minute or so from The Outlaw Torn. Imagine Load a double album with 7 songs each disc  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 03:53:02 AM
I would have been ok with that. Throw away disc 2, and you'd actually have a solid disc of music left!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 19, 2016, 05:09:00 AM
What I'm confused about is that if it was going to be a double album anyway, why not just include Lords of Summer?


(or maybe they did under a different name idk)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on August 19, 2016, 05:12:59 AM
It's on the third disc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 05:14:26 AM
I just realized that even if the album is only around 80 minutes of music for the 12 songs, that's an average song length of close to 7 minutes, and probably longer songs than that given they've already revealed a 3 minute song.
Now I'm concerned it's going to be full of the same bloat and unnecessary instrumental sections that bogged down DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on August 19, 2016, 05:34:10 AM
What I'm confused about is that if it was going to be a double album anyway, why not just include Lords of Summer?

Indeed! I guess the rationale was that it was an year old song (or even two years old?) and they wanted all full, unedit material... but yeah, if you're gonna do a double album because of 2-3 minutes too much, just fill the discs since you're at it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on August 19, 2016, 05:43:33 AM
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.

I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.

Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.


Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.


This is the full edit of the song.  It's this long on iTunes plus it's been confirmed by Metallica Staff on their Official Forum.

You post on other forums?  Blasphemer!
(https://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzd25vKAID1qgwefso2_250.gif)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on August 19, 2016, 07:08:53 AM
It's on the third disc.

Third disc of deluxe edition:
Lords Of Summer
Riff Charge (Riff Origins)
N.W.O.B.H.M. A.T.M. (Riff Origins)
Tin Shot (Riff Origins)
Plow (Riff Origins)
Sawblade (Riff Origins)
RIP (Riff Origins)
Lima (Riff Origins)
91 (Riff Origins)
MTO (Riff Origins)
RL72 (Riff Origins)
Frankenstein (Riff Origins)
CHI (Riff Origins)
X Dust (Riff Origins)

Anybody here knows if these "riff origins" songs are instrumentals with full band or just demo guitar riffs? Thanks!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2016, 07:21:32 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album.  If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 07:25:01 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album.  If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.

I believe the cutoff is 100 minutes for it affecting sales numbers.
They're releasing it on their own label, so they can probably do what they want. A regular label likely would have made them trim the extra minute or whatever, or cut a track and made it a digital only bonus track.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2016, 07:26:56 AM
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.

Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album.  If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.

I believe the cutoff is 100 minutes for it affecting sales numbers.
They're releasing it on their own label, so they can probably do what they want. A regular label likely would have made them trim the extra minute or whatever, or cut a track and made it a digital only bonus track.
Oh, didnt know that.  Cool.  Whatever, I download albums these days so disc1/2 doesn't mean much anymore, I just don't understand the wastefulness.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 19, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
I understand that but personally I loved the earlier stuff where they DID mix the melodic with the thrashy within an individual song. Black Album onward it tended to be either/or/neither it seems. I don't mind the thrashy or the melodic stuff they've done but I love when they blended them both epically.

Yes. Really this is what made RTL and MOP so great, the idea that a band could be brutally heavy and thrashy but still incorporate a great sense of melody, groove, taste, and tack.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 19, 2016, 07:41:37 AM
Somewhere in the last 15-20 years Metallica lost their soul. Probably right around the time Jason left or one could argue when Cliff died. They seem to be making music and all of their decisions for the wrong reasons. I get that every band is a business but most bands put the music first. Metallica turned into a business and are putting the business in front of the music. I've lost a lot of interest in thrash over the years but when you compare Metallica to Testament, Megadeath, Anthrax, Slayer, etc. it's clear those bands are passionate about music. I can't say that for Metallica. Metallica is making new music to support the business. I'm like a lot of others that cut our musical teeth on Metallica and they'll always have a place in musical rotation but the obsession died several years ago and will never come back. I found myself just being irritated by them now. Watching the video I just kept thinking that it seemed like a parody of Metallica. Shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 19, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
Kaos, I hope you know I don't say this to argue with you but only to offer a slightly different take (and this was really formed for me while watching "Some Kind of Monster" which is, with the possible exception of the Rush doc, my favorite musical documentary ever)...

I think they are the one band that DIDN'T do that.   They follow their muse.   I respectfully, but honestly, think that the people that think Metallica sold out are those that are wishing for RtL Part 9.  Or MoP over and over again.   We forget, because it landed, and landed BIG, but The Black Album was a huge risk.   They spent a LOT of time on that, and what, remixed it twice or some shit?    If it tanked, they were arguably done.   Load and Reload were - for them - WAY off the reservation, and there was no guarantee of financial success.    St. Anger was more polarizing than any album from Testament, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer COMBINED.   Those other bands (with the exception of Testament, who I am not that familiar with) are still doing the same shtick.   Slayer is to me a cartoon.   Every time I hear them I hear the melody of "Entrance of the Gladiators" (the "circus theme") in my head.   

I think if they were really about the "business" first, they would have put out "The Black Puppets", "Load the Lightning", "Reload the Lightning", "St. Justice", "Death Days Revisited", and "Hardwired... to Kill Em All".   At least with Metallica (like Zeppelin), if I want to bang heads, I have an album or two to go to.  If I want to put a little "prog" in my metal, I have an album to go to.  If I want a little classic rock, I have an album to go to.   

I think they are way bigger than any of the other bands you mentioned (perhaps, again, combined) and so there is an element to business that is unavoidable.  You can't play stadia without at least ONE eye on the wallet, but in that context, in my opinion, they have stayed very relevant and have taken some big risks. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 07:59:15 AM
I agree with Stadler, up until DM, at which point I think they decided to pander to the thrash fans instead of being really inspired to create music for the sake of feeling creative. Hardwired so far sounds like it's going to be more of the same.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 19, 2016, 08:13:47 AM
I agree with both of you.

Also, new song is a bit boring, but we'll see how the album turns out. I do really hope it's going to be an inspired album, not a "let's go back to the old days 'cause that's all people want to hear". If they want to do that type of music, fine, but if they're not 100% into it and they do it anyway to make people happy I don't think it's gonna sound inspired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 19, 2016, 08:14:40 AM
Kaos, I hope you know I don't say this to argue with you but only to offer a slightly different take (and this was really formed for me while watching "Some Kind of Monster" which is, with the possible exception of the Rush doc, my favorite musical documentary ever)...

I think they are the one band that DIDN'T do that.   They follow their muse.   I respectfully, but honestly, think that the people that think Metallica sold out are those that are wishing for RtL Part 9.  Or MoP over and over again.   We forget, because it landed, and landed BIG, but The Black Album was a huge risk.   They spent a LOT of time on that, and what, remixed it twice or some shit?    If it tanked, they were arguably done.   Load and Reload were - for them - WAY off the reservation, and there was no guarantee of financial success.    St. Anger was more polarizing than any album from Testament, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer COMBINED.   Those other bands (with the exception of Testament, who I am not that familiar with) are still doing the same shtick.   Slayer is to me a cartoon.   Every time I hear them I hear the melody of "Entrance of the Gladiators" (the "circus theme") in my head.   

I think if they were really about the "business" first, they would have put out "The Black Puppets", "Load the Lightning", "Reload the Lightning", "St. Justice", "Death Days Revisited", and "Hardwired... to Kill Em All".   At least with Metallica (like Zeppelin), if I want to bang heads, I have an album or two to go to.  If I want to put a little "prog" in my metal, I have an album to go to.  If I want a little classic rock, I have an album to go to.   

I think they are way bigger than any of the other bands you mentioned (perhaps, again, combined) and so there is an element to business that is unavoidable.  You can't play stadia without at least ONE eye on the wallet, but in that context, in my opinion, they have stayed very relevant and have taken some big risks.

No worries Stads. I really enjoyed Some Kind of Monster as well. I remember seeing that in the theaters and walking out pumped to be a Metallica fan. I don't hate any albums they've put out. What I hate is that they've put out 2 albums in 13 years. I really like Load and Re-load I get that they're following their muse, but I don't think their Muse is focused on new music. Hopefully the new album is amazing. I'll reserve final judgement until it's released, but after one song I'm not impressed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 08:15:07 AM
I'm hoping they chose this song as the lead single simply to reassure the fans they regained with DM that this album was going to have similar songs, and that the rest of the album will display more diversity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2016, 09:40:36 AM
I'm just taking this song on its own merits, and it's hitting me ****A LOT**** harder than anything on DM.   

I agree that DM was a good album, but basically sounded like a retread.    I personally felt that there was a "hunger" factor missing from that entire album even though the music was decent.   I know that's hard to quantify, but I'm getting a much bigger sense of urgency with this song.   I was totally surprised with how great it was.    It's the best single song I've heard from Metallica since 1988. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 09:45:09 AM
Really? After multiple listens, I still can't remember a damn thing about the new song, except the chorus lyrics for the wrong reasons. Not a single decent melody in the entire song. Bland af.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 09:51:08 AM
Really? After multiple listens, I still can't remember a damn thing about the new song, except the chorus lyrics for the wrong reasons. Not a single decent melody in the entire song. Bland af.

You've said that the songs on Hardwired will sound "less frenetic" than those on Death Magnetic. What do you mean?
Most of the songs are simpler. We introduce a mood and we stick to it, rather than songs we've done where one riff happens and we go over here and then over there and becomes a journey through all these different soundscapes. The songs are more linear. And by "less frenetic," I mean there are certainly less starts and stops in the songs. It cruises along a little bit more than the last record.


So not riff soup basically. Plus much shorter songs this time around... :tup.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 09:52:09 AM
I'm hoping they chose this song as the lead single simply to reassure the fans they regained with DM that this album was going to have similar songs, and that the rest of the album will display more diversity.


In a new Interview - Lars said this song was written really quickly JUST to have a short fast song to open the album.

They wanted it to be the album opener and lead single.

I'm guessing the rest of the album is stronger material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 10:03:49 AM
Well that all sounds promising. Hopefully that means the rest of the songs will be a bit more musical, with harmonies and melodies. At least I have no major complaints about the production this time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
You don't like the chorus?   I'm not normally a fan of the F-bomb, but in spite of that, I find that chorus to be amazing. 

Only twice and I can't get it out of my head. 

Maybe it's just because I was feeling particularly "kid like" today, and this made me feel like a kid again.  (something that DM failed to do entirely)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
Just put the song on again and got goosebumps.

It's really growing on me. Can't wait for the album.

Production is great too. REVERB!!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2016, 10:39:20 AM
You don't like the chorus?   I'm not normally a fan of the F-bomb, but in spite of that, I find that chorus to be amazing. 

Only twice and I can't get it out of my head. 

Maybe it's just because I was feeling particularly "kid like" today, and this made me feel like a kid again.  (something that DM failed to do entirely)

First time I heard the song, I didn't even realize it was supposed to be a chorus, and then it just goes into the riff/verse and you realize that was it. I was expecting it to be a pre-chorus. I don't even consider it a chorus, it's that weak and forgettable. Even with remembering the lyrics, I can't recall it at all. There's not a real melody in the entire song. The song's too blandtacular to even be outright bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on August 19, 2016, 11:02:13 AM
I like the straight forward , heavy sound/vibe but the lyrics stand out as pretty ordinary and I find myself listening to Lars speed up and slow down .............must be bad for me to notice.

I'd view it as an average track with a vibe that bodes well for the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 11:32:07 AM
I just pre - ordered the 3CD version :)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on August 19, 2016, 11:42:56 AM
This song made my day. And it made me smile.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2016, 11:45:42 AM
Maybe another reason it seemed fresh to me is that I honestly NEVER listen to thrash any more. I don't think I've listened to a single note of thrash in 3 years.

Absense makes the heart grow fonder...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 19, 2016, 11:48:50 AM
What's kinda unique about this song is that I cannot think of the main riff without listening to it, it's very.. undistinguished, it could be cause it's new but I doubt it.
It's very easy to listen to this song and think of Hetfield's Kill'em All vocals on it haha
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 11:50:42 AM
Really ? i can hear the main riff in my head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 19, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
I find myself listening to the drums during the verses. They're that loud for me, the snare and bass drum.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on August 19, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
Meh, listened to it 3 times total now and this just sounds like something similar to the style of DM but much, much worse. I'm glad atleast some people can find enjoyment in this I guess :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 12:02:11 PM
Meh, listened to it 3 times total now and this just sounds like something similar to the style of DM but much, much worse. I'm glad atleast some people can find enjoyment in this I guess :lol

This is awesome compared to that Lords of Summer nonsense.


And even if " Hardwired...To Self Destruct " is just Death Magnetic 2 - at least the production is nice FINALLY...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on August 19, 2016, 12:05:31 PM
The rhythm behind the verse lyrics is straight off of RTL. I like it. Everything else is straight out of DM. Meh. I had no problems with DM, and I suspect this will be no different. It just doesn't blow me away.

That really is a peculiar sounding bass drum. And Lars shouldn't be doing anything in the studio that will cause him fail spectacularly when they play it live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 12:07:07 PM
Lars can manage double bass like that live.

Also that riff at 1:40 or so . . . isn't that just Metal Militia ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 19, 2016, 12:12:54 PM
Really ? i can hear the main riff in my head.

Wow! Whenever I try it turns into a mix of My Apocalypse and This Was Your Life.


I find myself listening to the drums during the verses. They're that loud for me, the snare and bass drum.

Agreed, throughout the song it sounds louder than it should be.

And even if " Hardwired...To Self Destruct " is just Death Magnetic 2 - at least the production is nice FINALLY...

I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
Their best sounding studio album of *original* material since Reload.

in 1997.


19 years ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on August 19, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
Really ? i can hear the main riff in my head.

Wow! Whenever I try it turns into a mix of My Apocalypse and This Was Your Life.
Yeah, I had That Was Just Your Life stuck in my head all day yesterday, because every time I tried to think of this new riff, it would just morph into that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 12:25:16 PM
The part that reminds me is the B - Bb - A progression then the 3-5-6-5-3-5 bit comes next.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 19, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
I just pre - ordered the 3CD version :)

Definitely not pre-ordering. Especially from the website, which will cost almost $22 total, and will probably not make it my house by release day. Picked up Death Magnetic on release day at Hot Topic for $5, and I'm sure I can pick it up at the local Newbury Comics for around $10. As long as I can listen to it for under $20 on release day I'll be happy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
I treated myself. Plus it'll probably be on Spotify the day it's out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on August 19, 2016, 03:42:56 PM
Somewhere beneath those horrible lyrics is a decent Metallica song. Add a 5 minute repetitive instrumental section, and this song will fit right in on St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2016, 03:55:05 PM
This song was the last thing written for the album and was written & recorded exclusively by James & Lars ( Kirk and Rob did overdubs but did not contribute to the writing ) in one week to open the

album when they wanted something fast and short to kick it off.

I think with that in mind it's perfectly acceptable. Especially since there's 11 more tracks and around 75 minutes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on August 19, 2016, 04:01:18 PM
I don't think rushing and half assing a song is acceptable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2016, 04:12:01 PM
This song was the last thing written for the album and was written & recorded exclusively by James & Lars ( Kirk and Rob did overdubs but did not contribute to the writing ) in one week to open the

album when they wanted something fast and short to kick it off.

Maybe that's why it feels like a B side.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 19, 2016, 05:06:37 PM
More like a side of shit.

I listened to it again and can't believe how generic and bad it is. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2016, 05:11:34 PM
There was a point in time, in the late 80's where Metallica was the coolest, most exciting metal band around. Their music was interesting and captivating. And as much as I now like TBA, the day I heard it, I knew it was over.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2016, 05:32:12 PM
The automatic conclusion that written fast = POS is about the dumbest musical conclusion I've ever heard.

Many of the greatest songs in history were written in less time than it took to play them.

I'm not saying that this is Stairway to Heaven... Only pointing out that the logic of equating fast with bad is stupid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on August 19, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
The fact that it was written as a last minute add on only adds to the giant pile of mediocrity that it is. Train of Thought was written in what, 3 weeks? The difference is Dream Theater gave a shit. Metallica stopped caring years ago because they know they don't have to anymore. St. Anger and Death Magnetic sold 3 trillion copies in the first week because Metallica was on the cover. Not because they were any good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 19, 2016, 09:32:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9CYmbUUAAUTMi.jpg:large)

 :rollin

Just seen this on Facebook.



Trump in the Fire




More like a side of shit.

Christ, I'm dyin  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 19, 2016, 09:34:03 PM
Metallica stopped caring years ago because they know they don't have to anymore. St. Anger and Death Magnetic sold 3 trillion copies in the first week because Metallica was on the cover. Not because they were any good.

.........it's like you're in my head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 19, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
Metallica stopped caring years ago because they know they don't have to anymore. St. Anger and Death Magnetic sold 3 trillion copies in the first week because Metallica was on the cover. Not because they were any good.

.........it's like you're in my head.

Outta my head
Outta my head
GITEM outta my head
Outta my head
GETEM OUTT
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2016, 10:06:11 PM
I like it when James says "go" and the other guys go when he says it. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 19, 2016, 10:34:30 PM
More like a side of shit.

I listened to it again and can't believe how generic and bad it is.
Aw, come on. It's not the best Metallica song but there are quite a lot of worse Metallica tunes out there. Remember those horrible Reload songs? St. Anger? Lords of Summer?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 19, 2016, 10:40:27 PM
More like a side of shit.

I listened to it again and can't believe how generic and bad it is.
Aw, come on. It's not the best Metallica song but there are quite a lot of worse Metallica tunes out there. Remember those horrible Death Magnetic songs? St. Anger? Lords of Summer?

Totally.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 19, 2016, 11:39:36 PM
Also just noticed this song is in E and not Eb.

Think they'll play it live in Eb like they did with all of the DM songs?

It's quite a strange thing to record albums in one tuning and then immediately play them live in a different tuning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2016, 12:37:53 AM
Also just noticed this song is in E and not Eb.

Think they'll play it live in Eb like they did with all of the DM songs?

It's quite a strange thing to record albums in one tuning and then immediately play them live in a different tuning.

I'd guess they'll do the same as they did for DM.

I actually prefer they do it this way. It's not a huge difference to do it in standard tuning in the studio where it will sound better, then play it live in the lower key to make it easier on Het to sing the whole show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 20, 2016, 12:46:21 AM
Slightly off-track, but am I the only one that actually likes LoS? I remember I was actually really hyped for the MT10 after hearing it for the first time, but now it isn't even on the main album & seems to have a generally negative reception... :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
I didn't mind it at the time but now - listening to the demo - it sounds terrible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2016, 01:14:37 AM
I remember it being average, but a much better direction and song than Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 01:19:49 AM
It had some cool riffs, and some "Let's try to sound like Metallica" riffs, but still mostly bad vocals.

Lords of Summer, that is.


Seriously James, what is going on with you?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 20, 2016, 02:50:01 AM
Hetfield used to write the coolest fucking lyrics.

I don't know where it went wrong but somewhere along the line he lost the ability. I think before they became the biggest metal band on the planet (after the Black Album) they had consistently released amazing records that were well received and probably thought they could do no wrong. Then Load/Reload came and suddenly some people weren't happy with their output (you could argue this happened when the Black Album was released but even if the hardcore, oldschool fans didn't like it so much it made them fucking huge!).

I think since then they have almost been trying to play catch up and recapture what it is that the fans loved. I think maybe they started second guessing themselves at this point. I don't know if Het is trying too hard to write 'cool' lyrics but he generally fails and it's a shame. I don't feel they've taken any true risks and recorded an album truly for themselves since Load/Reload. As that was generally not so well received they second guess now and try to play it safe.

You could argue that St Anger was a risk, and I guess it was, but I think that was a reaction to metal coming out at that time and Metallica attempting (and failing) to keep up with the times. I don't think that was truly the album that Metallica recorded for themselves without any thought put into whether  it would be a hit or return to glory.

Just my two cents though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 20, 2016, 08:05:44 AM
Slightly off-track, but am I the only one that actually likes LoS? I remember I was actually really hyped for the MT10 after hearing it for the first time, but now it isn't even on the main album & seems to have a generally negative reception... :dunno:

It's ok. Better than anyone here gives it credit for.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 09:04:19 AM
The song could have been good but the recording of it is pure arse.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 10:02:56 AM
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.

It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.

And the ending  :heart

The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....

Fuck I love that bit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on August 20, 2016, 10:47:24 AM
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.

It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.

And the ending  :heart

The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....

Fuck I love that bit.

Yes, some cool heavy stuff going on. I'm glad they're not pandering to the "play slower" zealots and are still recording stuff faster than 60bpm.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 11:01:57 AM
Although I would like some slow songs too like Sad But True, Thing That Should Not Be or Devil's Dance...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2016, 11:03:42 AM
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.

It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.

And the ending  :heart

The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....

Fuck I love that bit.

Yes, some cool heavy stuff going on. I'm glad they're not pandering to the "play slower" zealots and are still recording stuff faster than 60bpm.

Lol I don't think that's a thing. Instead they're pandering to the clingy thrash fans who only like their music if it's playing the E string as fast as possible at 200bpm. But Metallica are just not good at that style of music anymore. Kirk and Lars are serious liabilities. They should be slowing down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on August 20, 2016, 11:08:05 AM
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.

It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.

And the ending  :heart

The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....

Fuck I love that bit.

Yes, some cool heavy stuff going on. I'm glad they're not pandering to the "play slower" zealots and are still recording stuff faster than 60bpm.

Lol I don't think that's a thing. Instead they're pandering to the clingy thrash fans who only like their music if it's playing the E string as fast as possible at 200bpm. But Metallica are just not good at that style of music anymore. Kirk and Lars are serious liabilities. They should be slowing down.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 11:09:12 AM
Ah. I was wondering how long it would take Blob to post about "thrashing the E string at 200BPM" :p


If the album has a mix of all their styles then I don't care. This is one song - which was written specifically to open the album with a band - there is +/- 77 minutes and 11 tracks remaining.

Even Death Magnetic had two or three "ballady" songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 20, 2016, 12:12:32 PM
Quite frankly, I'm finding metal that does nothing but go fast, fast, fast too fatiguing to listen through a whole album nowadays and an easy way to desensitize a listener and could burn out the musicians.  I rather hear metal that's more slow and broody and doomy and I think Gojira did a solid job of that in their latest album, even if that doomy, gloomy, stuff is not for me.  They weren't spamming notes endlessly.

I mean Metallica certainly is more than capable enough to slow things down, make their key fast moments of songs look more meaningful, as oppose to "What just happened?  Everything I listened to was a big blur." and Death Magnetic certainly had those moments where them slowing down at the right moment made the faster parts mean a lot more (to me, this happened in Suicide and Redemption and I liked that instrumental). 

So hopefully, Metallica still knows how to time the right moments to go fast or slow, or else, I might just have a hard time picking songs from the album that I enjoy listening to, since it could be just all a blur like when I heard Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 20, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
Regarding my low opinion of this new song, it is worth pointing out that the metal I usually like is not the lightning fast speed metal.  As awesome as I think Master of Puppets is, for example, the two speed metal tunes, Battery and Damage, Inc., are my two least favorites.  So I am not predisposed to like a song like this new one, but the lyrics are so laughably bad that it's impossible for me to take seriously.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 12:56:24 PM
I'm guessing the lyrics were deliberately cliche.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on August 20, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
In my mind, it works well because it's down-to-earth, high-energy and doesn't waste any time. It doesn't pretend to be intelligent or revolutionary, it just rocks and I like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 03:12:16 PM
I'm guessing the lyrics were deliberately cliche.

Why?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 20, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
That sounds like code for "made them up as we went along even though they make us sound like meathead metal."  I can't imagine they spent more than a few minutes working on those lyrics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2016, 03:20:33 PM
That sounds like code for "made them up as we went along even though they make us sound like meathead metal."  I can't imagine they spent more than a few minutes working on those lyrics.

And this ruins your day because...?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 20, 2016, 03:23:06 PM
Who said it ruined my day?  Don't get pissy just because all of us don't like what will likely be deemed a forgettable song by a washed up metal band.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SystematicThought on August 20, 2016, 03:40:12 PM
Really wish I had tickets for tonight's show. Not only to check out the new stadium but just to experience the show. It should be really cool!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 03:45:53 PM
In my mind, it works well because it's down-to-earth, high-energy and doesn't waste any time. It doesn't pretend to be intelligent or revolutionary, it just rocks and I like that.

I mean, I really like that you dig the song. I don't have a major problem with outside of the awful lyrics and half-assed vocals. But, it seems what you're saying is akin to "the song ain't trying to be smart. It's dumb and it's proud to be dumb and that's what a rocking song should be"

I apologize for making it overly blunt and a bit more extreme than you likely meant it, but it's still a constantly lowering standard we give these bands. Look at Metallica's biggest hit metal songs.

Master of Puppets, Creeping Death, Four Horsemen, One, just to name a few.

They were intelligent songs, with thought provoking, or at least well written lyrics. Those are their huge hits. No one really listens to those kinds of songs because they're not trying to be intelligent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 20, 2016, 04:30:47 PM
FYI, I'm at the concert in Minneapolis and you guys are not.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: King Postwhore on August 20, 2016, 04:42:07 PM
FYI, I'm at the concert in Minneapolis and you guys are not.

FYI, I saw them on the MOP tour opening for Ozzy on TUS tour. Nee ner, nee ner.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 20, 2016, 08:18:45 PM
Hardwired has grown on my since Thursday, still not great but decent enough. A lot of people of Metallica's fb page love it but there's also people who are just there to make these people feel stupid for loving it and shit on the band, I'd lie if I said I don't understand the kind of kicks these people get out of doing that. I wish I was a cunt that poops on things other people like cause there's too much cum in my eyes to see that I'm being an asshole, it's seem to be a lot of fun, truly.

FYI, I'm at the concert in Minneapolis and you guys are not.

(https://www.cbtownandcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/HomerSimpson.png)

I'm listening to the live cast on Pandora..
Have fun bro!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 20, 2016, 08:21:59 PM
Ah damn they're opening with Creep, I was secretly hoping they'll pull a crazy one and just perform the whole album tonight heh, that was pretty far fetched.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 08:27:59 PM
I wonder if they'll close out the show with a 15-20 minute rendition of Seek and Destroy!

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 20, 2016, 08:29:47 PM
Sadly it looks like it, I just saw a preparation type of video and they had stacks of the beach balls..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 20, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
They fucking did Leper Messiah. So fucking stoked. Normal length rendition of Seek and Destroy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 20, 2016, 10:45:08 PM
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/us-bank-stadium-minneapolis-mn-4bfccf3e.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
What does "traditional cover" of Whiskey mean?

Also how did Hardwired go over live?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 20, 2016, 10:52:15 PM
Actually, we left before the encore. Pretty much knew what they'd be playing and wanted to beat the other eleventy brazilion people to the light rail.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SystematicThought on August 20, 2016, 10:53:13 PM
I heard that the concert could be heard for miles outside of the stadium. Looked like a lot of fun
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 20, 2016, 10:56:33 PM
It was a killer show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 20, 2016, 11:30:34 PM
Here's a hype-up video with a couple new samples at the end:

https://youtu.be/VjcDHVg-u-c
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on August 20, 2016, 11:32:20 PM
Afraid the new track does almost nothing for me. It's not even bad, it's just a generic thrash banger. The riffs are ok and the lyrics almost comical.

I'll still reserve judgement for the rest of the album. If Hardwired was put out as a quick single to announce the coming release of the album, then hopefully it's simply the low-point of the record as a whole. It's a fun, but forgettable little tune and that's all I see it as.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 11:32:31 PM
Yea, I've seen Metallica live a hand full of times, they always put on a great show, though I really wish I could have seen them back in the late 80's, early 90's. That was just a totally different beast.

I think I'm a bit more reluctant to see them these days because the set-list is just so obvious and I already have like 5 or whatever DVDs of them doing essentially the same songs anyway.

If I thought I could go to a Metallica show and see Where the Wild Things are... or Fixxxer, or even Don't Tread on Me or songs I'm not terribly fond of like Dirty Window. I dunno, I just want the possibility for surprises to be higher.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2016, 11:34:11 PM
I'm digging those other samples a lot more, although I would have liked to hear more vocal sections to judge. That first one after Hardwired sounded more TBA/Load/Reload style, which I consider a positive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
I'm digging those other samples a lot more, although I would have liked to hear more vocal sections to judge. That first one after Hardwired sounded more TBA/Load/Reload style, which I consider a positive.


........samples?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 21, 2016, 12:29:50 AM
^ Snippets.
I agree on the first song sounding like Loadish, as soon as I heard the guitar solo I thought Load.
The second one is more exciting, I'll call it Blackout cause that's the only work I recognized, it's got a cool groove to it.
Hardwired (https://youtu.be/4N9TT3_RJvs) live audio.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2016, 12:41:44 AM
^ Snippets.
I agree on the first song sounding like Loadish, as soon as I heard the guitar solo I thought Load.
The second one is more exciting, I'll call it Blackout cause that's the only work I recognized, it's got a cool groove to it.
Hardwired (https://youtu.be/4N9TT3_RJvs) live audio.

Even the solo on Hardwired itself reminds me a bit more of the later bluesy influence, instead of the straight up shred. I'd be glad if Kirk focuses more on that style of solo on this album, because all of his solos on DM were atrocious.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 21, 2016, 01:33:23 AM
I enjoyed the DM solos to a degree, it depends on what you go in expecting though. It's ridiculous to assume your grandpa is gonna pick you up over his shoulders when you're 25 years old and he's 80, even though has done it every time you visited at 8 years old when he was 63. That really applies to all aspects of criticizing Metallica right now for not being like they were before in some regard or the other.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2016, 01:41:13 AM
I don't expect or want him to play solos like he did back on the early albums, quite the opposite (that goes for all of Metallica too). I actually want him to play something that fits his current level of ability, and it sounds like the leads on Hardwired to Self Destruct are doing that a bit better.
I just have the basic expectation that a musician of his experience could at least manage to play a solo that was in time and in key, or musical in any way, shape, or form. Instead the solos on DM sound like any 12 year old kid on Youtube who's just learned to badly play the MoP solo with his fudgy little fingers on that guitar that's too big for him. I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing, instead of fumbling over the fretboard to fill time.

tl;dr - I'm criticizing him because he sucks, not because he can't play the way he used to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 21, 2016, 02:07:36 AM
I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing

Have you ever seen him do that though? 2016 marks my 20th year of being a hardcore Metallica fan who's probably seen much more than he should have and I've never seen him to that  :lol
I hear ya though, you're definitely entitled to that expectation from any musician.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 02:24:19 AM
The teeny snippets sound very Load / Metallica to me. I want.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2016, 02:24:56 AM
I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing

Have you ever seen him do that though? 2016 marks my 20th year of being a hardcore Metallica fan who's probably seen much more than he should have and I've never seen him to that  :lol
I hear ya though, you're definitely entitled to that expectation from any musician.

Before St. Anger, yes. I mean, he doesn't have a perfect track record, but his solos on Load, Re-Load, Black Album, Justice, etc, while not all great, had quite a lot that were very well thought out. It's only live and from DM and this new song that he's just hitting lots of notes without much care.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2016, 02:52:19 AM
I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing

Have you ever seen him do that though? 2016 marks my 20th year of being a hardcore Metallica fan who's probably seen much more than he should have and I've never seen him to that  :lol
I hear ya though, you're definitely entitled to that expectation from any musician.

Before St. Anger, yes. I mean, he doesn't have a perfect track record, but his solos on Load, Re-Load, Black Album, Justice, etc, while not all great, had quite a lot that were very well thought out. It's only live and from DM and this new song that he's just hitting lots of notes without much care.

Yup.

The teeny snippets sound very Load / Metallica to me. I want.

Other than the song Hardwired, I'm liking the sound of the direction. I hope there are some vocal harmonies though. What little we've heard so far sounds very basic vocally.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 08:06:31 AM
I like Hardwired. it's a short sharp shock to kick off the album.

They had 11 songs and around 75 mins and thought " lets just write a really short fast song to open the album ".  And on that basis I think it's fine.

If you don't like it - there's plenty more.

Plus the arrangement of hardwired is very promising. I think it's great. Especially the final 16 bars or so.

More of that please.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
They are already ignoring Death Magnetic live?  Jeez.

And still playing Fuel and The Memory Remains? :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 08:22:17 AM
You're basing that on all the one gigs they did this year.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 08:25:21 AM
Yep, I am. And I am not wrong. They ignored Death Magnetic at the show last night, and they played Fuel and The Memory Remains.  So what is the problem?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
Yep, I am. And I am not wrong. They ignored Death Magnetic at the show last night, and they played Fuel and The Memory Remains.  So what is the problem?

I have absolutely no idea. You tell me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 08:34:22 AM
Pfft, you're looking for an argument, which you aren't going to get from me.  See ya.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 08:37:02 AM
Pfft, i'm losing an argument,   See ya.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 08:43:08 AM
 :lol :lol If you need to feel like you are winning, when I am trying to scale it back and not let this turn this into silliness, have at it.  Isn't that what the internet is all about, after all?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 08:52:15 AM
:lol :lol If you need to feel like you are winning, when I am trying to scale it back and not let this turn this into silliness, have at it.  Isn't that what the internet is all about, after all?

:hifive:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: King Postwhore on August 21, 2016, 09:00:01 AM
I personally like when bands skip the last album. Maybe it's because the bands I love it see multiple times and I've had my fill of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 21, 2016, 09:02:18 AM
^ Exactly, almost all Metallica fans I come across are like that too.
They change the setlists around very often, Cyanide and All Nightmare long were very recently in circulation. I'd be mighty fuckin pissed off if I went to a Metallica show that is not in support of a specific album and didn't get Fuel, Memory Remains is great live as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2016, 09:14:45 AM
DM came out a while ago now, and they've played the album plenty in that time. They certainly haven't ignored it. And when you've got so much classic material as Metallica, something has to go to make space to cycle in other songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 09:25:46 AM
DM came out a while ago now, and they've played the album plenty in that time. They certainly haven't ignored it. And when you've got so much classic material as Metallica, something has to go to make space to cycle in other songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on August 21, 2016, 09:52:53 AM
In my mind, it works well because it's down-to-earth, high-energy and doesn't waste any time. It doesn't pretend to be intelligent or revolutionary, it just rocks and I like that.

I mean, I really like that you dig the song. I don't have a major problem with outside of the awful lyrics and half-assed vocals. But, it seems what you're saying is akin to "the song ain't trying to be smart. It's dumb and it's proud to be dumb and that's what a rocking song should be"

I apologize for making it overly blunt and a bit more extreme than you likely meant it, but it's still a constantly lowering standard we give these bands. Look at Metallica's biggest hit metal songs.

Master of Puppets, Creeping Death, Four Horsemen, One, just to name a few.

They were intelligent songs, with thought provoking, or at least well written lyrics. Those are their huge hits. No one really listens to those kinds of songs because they're not trying to be intelligent.

Not saying it's the greatest song they ever did, just saying that it does the job it's trying to do. I agree that those songs are better, but I like Hardwired's focus as well. It works on the same same basis that Motorbreath does. I don't think I'm lowering my standards when I think that the song is good because it does one thing really well (and not just compared to other bands of Metallica's age).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 10:24:09 AM
Pretty much.

It's not Bleeding Me lyrically but neither is Motorbreath or Hit The Lights
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2016, 12:06:26 PM
Pretty solid setlist in Minnesota last night.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 01:24:12 PM
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like Metallica has 9-10 songs that they play at literally every show, which doesn't always leave a lot of space to sub in a lot of deep cuts.  I think they ought to do what Rush and U2 did in recent years, which is scale back the "must be played classics" down a tad and make room for other tunes.  They are popular enough to where it wouldn't hurt their ticket sales at all, and would add a jolt to their live sets, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bertielee on August 21, 2016, 01:27:28 PM
Honestly, I didn't think I would say that again one day for a Metallica song, but I like Hardwired a lot (well except for the solo).

B.Lee
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like Metallica has 9-10 songs that they play at literally every show, which doesn't always leave a lot of space to sub in a lot of deep cuts.  I think they ought to do what Rush and U2 did in recent years, which is scale back the "must be played classics" down a tad and make room for other tunes.  They are popular enough to where it wouldn't hurt their ticket sales at all, and would add a jolt to their live sets, IMO.

Spot on. It's a bit sad. Metallica used to be a "We do what we want, and f*** anyone who doesn't like it", and now it's "We must make safe business decisions at all times".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 01:43:04 PM
Which is why they did a " request the setlist " tour last time around.

In which all the classics were suggested.

That's what people wanted to hear.



Lulu ? Orion Fest ? 3D Concert Movie ?

All can't-miss safe business choices.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2016, 01:46:43 PM
Which is why they did a " request the setlist " tour last time around.

In which all the classics were suggested.

That's what people wanted to hear.



Lulu ? Orion Fest ? 3D Concert Movie ?

All can't-miss safe business choices.

Well yea, playing all of the classics is the safe choice. That's exactly what I was saying.

As of now Metallica just do what the masses want them to do. That constitutes a safe business decision.

But if people go to a Metallica show and don't hear Enter Sandman, Puppets, Nothing Else Matters or whatever, there probably won't be a substantial amount that says "SCREW THIS I WILL NEVER SEE METALLICA AGAIN".

Just saw the 2nd half of that. I'll give you Lulu, that was not a safe choice. But Orion? A movie? They were miscalculations, but they were made because they assumed this is what the masses will like. Plus those are unrelated to what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on August 21, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
So you want Metallica to play some less popular songs live? SHIT OUT OF LUCK :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
Rank The Instrumentals !

• Anasthesia
• The Call of Ktulu
• Orion
• To Live Is To Die
• Suicide & Redmeption



Personally I like Orion the most and Anaesthesia the least.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on August 21, 2016, 02:02:34 PM
(https://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/beavis_and_butthead.jpg)
YES YES  YES RAAAAAAWK!  heh eh heh

um...anyway...

Like the energy and speed, but it's kind of basic.  And after no profanity in DM, we get some in the chorus of the first song? Huh. 

I thought this next album was leaning toward TBA?  Nice to see a double album with extras though.

Good luck playing this one live guys! :lol

The lyrics to the chorus reminds me of an Ice Cube song: https://youtu.be/JQZPXjX181A
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 02:04:58 PM
I'm not sure they have it in them anymore to make another Black Album.  Between Death Magnetic and this new song, it seems like they are just throwing red meat to the fans, whom they figure largely just want heavy and/or fast stuff.  Not necessarily a bad strategy. It keeps the gravy train rolling.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
Lars said the album is more stripped back and less hectic than Death Magnetic, with James saying there's a bit of everything on there.

And they nailed it live recently.

But apparently train wrecked Whiskey :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on August 21, 2016, 02:21:56 PM
1. To Live Is To Die
2. The Call of Ktulu
3. Orion
4. Suicide & Redemption
5. Anesthesia


And this:

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like Metallica has 9-10 songs that they play at literally every show, which doesn't always leave a lot of space to sub in a lot of deep cuts.  I think they ought to do what Rush and U2 did in recent years, which is scale back the "must be played classics" down a tad and make room for other tunes.  They are popular enough to where it wouldn't hurt their ticket sales at all, and would add a jolt to their live sets, IMO.

I think the list of "must-play" songs should just be Master of Puppets, One, Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters. I don't think any other song in their discography needs to have sacred cow status. Maybe make Creeping Death and For Whom the Bell Tolls an either/or situation and always play at least one song from KEA and one Load era single (King Nothing, Fuel, The Memory Remains). But I think they should be a lot more flexible and have a less stagnant setlist.

If the new album ends up sounding more like Black/Load, I will appreciate that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 02:31:44 PM
The small snippets sounded like Black / Load.

I liked Death Magnetic a lot more after they released the iTunes remaster.

The production on Hardwired is really good and even if it's *just* as good as Death Magnetic - with that production - i'll enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 03:03:02 PM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

If we get all that - it could be a classic Metallica album.


Lars - " The new album was just going to be Death Magnetic 2 until we played Kill Em All in it's entirety but then we changed direction. "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on August 21, 2016, 03:23:46 PM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2016, 03:30:19 PM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.

12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on August 21, 2016, 04:43:49 PM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.

12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.

True. I do hope there will be a good range of song lengths on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 21, 2016, 07:21:28 PM
They uploaded a proshot of Hardwired (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs) from last night. Pretty great IMO.
I love that they didn't let us dwell for days on finding camera phone videos and waiting for the youtube geeks to stitch them together and that whole cycle of shtick that happens whenever a band premieres a new song live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2016, 07:42:03 PM
Oh yea, say what you want about Metallica, but they are ALL about getting good live performance recordings to their fans.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2016, 08:45:41 PM
Oh yea, say what you want about Metallica

That hasn't worked well lately, with apologists armed and ready to swarm. :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on August 21, 2016, 10:01:12 PM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

It's not bad, per se, it's just weird. It's not the sort of kick sound I'd associate with the type of music Metallica plays.

That said, I'll take a weird sounding kick over the sound of their last few albums any day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
The kick is even. That's what I like. In metal, like Metallica, all the kick needs to be the same volume and intensity. St. Anger and DM failed at that miserably.

St. Anger was the worst for that. I remember very clearly many times on that album where Lars was supposed to be doing fast double bass. You can hear this faint whisper of double bass doing on, but every time there's a cymbal hit, there's a big loud kick drum. It felt like he overdubbed the weak as hell double bass just with the accents. It was just awful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 22, 2016, 12:44:36 AM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.

12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.

With an average of around 7 minutes, that's already way too long for current Metallica. And given we already have a track much shorter than that, there has to be at least something longer than the average. Although a slower Sad But True type song would be fine if it went 6 minutes. We'll see.
I don't have a problem with the production of the drums on Hardwired. The kick sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 22, 2016, 02:09:54 AM
Yup.

This sounds like it will be the most well produced Metallica album since Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 22, 2016, 07:41:32 AM
With an average of around 7 minutes, that's already way too long for current Metallica. And given we already have a track much shorter than that, there has to be at least something longer than the average. Although a slower Sad But True type song would be fine if it went 6 minutes. We'll see.
I don't have a problem with the production of the drums on Hardwired. The kick sounds fine to me.

Yeah, longer songs lengths make me nervous based on the overly-long arrangements found on DM. It seems like, from interviews, this album might stick with grooves and feels longer than DM did in the context of a song, which sounds more like TBA to me. Which would be great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on August 22, 2016, 08:03:25 AM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.

12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.

Okay, but it says the following on the site (https://metallica.com/blog/news/429181/hardwired-to-self-destruct-available-november-18-2), which has confused me:

"Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way..."

To me, this reads that the album length will be in the high 70s. 78 or 79 minutes. So if this is a double album, it's just barely that. Probably an album that's 79:30 or something that is spread on two discs just to make sure there aren't playback issues.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 22, 2016, 08:14:04 AM
Yeah, longer songs lengths make me nervous based on the overly-long arrangements found on DM.
Their song lengths have always been long. I can understand why some people wouldn't be keen on the song arrangements on DM (though I have no real problem with them) but that isn't correlated with how long the song is IMO. Long and short songs can both be well or poorly arranged.

But then we get this with loads of bands - people get worried or excited based on song lengths and I can never understand why.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 22, 2016, 08:19:19 AM
Yeah, longer songs lengths make me nervous based on the overly-long arrangements found on DM.
Their song lengths have always been long. I can understand why some people wouldn't be keen on the song arrangements on DM (though I have no real problem with them) but that isn't correlated with how long the song is IMO. Long and short songs can both be well or poorly arranged.

But then we get this with loads of bands - people get worried or excited based on song lengths and I can never understand why.

I friggin' hate this mentality.  I can remember when Flying Colors announced their first album, and the songs were listed with times, and it was almost automatic:  "Infinite Fire" is going to RULE! but this album is largely going to BLOW! because most songs are less than 5:00", and while IF is an excellent song, there are others that have had more traction, and there is almost no correlation between "length" and "popularity". 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 22, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
It's one thing to look purely at track times and try to draw a correlation between good and bad songs (which is silly, but to be fair, it lines up very well with DTF's opinions on DT songs), but Metallica's last two albums are a pretty good reason to be worried about longer song lengths. It doesn't mean that will be the case, but it's not an unfounded worry.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 22, 2016, 08:24:01 AM
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .

I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.

I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.

Metallica could have Phil Spector, Brian Wilson, Chris Kimsey, Martin Birch, George Martin,  Roy Thomas Baker, Mutt Lange, and Bob Ezrin, come in to joint produce, and could have Geoff Emerick, Glyn Johns, Jeff Lynne, and Eddie Kramer come in to engineer, and some dipshit sitting in their mom's basement with a $75 dollar Wal-Mart stereo would bitch about "the production" and "brick walling".  It's ridiculous at this point.   

There are a handful of acts on the planet today that can be safely said to call their own shots, and Metallica is one of them.   What you hear is what they - as artists - want you to hear.   Deal with it. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 22, 2016, 08:25:05 AM
It's one thing to look purely at track times and try to draw a correlation between good and bad songs (which is silly, but to be fair, it lines up very well with DTF's opinions on DT songs), but Metallica's last two albums are a pretty good reason to be worried about longer song lengths. It doesn't mean that will be the case, but it's not an unfounded worry.
Well, I disagree, but then I find no real correlation between song length and quality on the latest two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 22, 2016, 08:39:03 AM
Every single long song on the last two albums is dragged down by excessive bloat dragging it down. Simple as that for me. DM has a lot of great material on it, but all of those songs could have been trimmed by a couple of minutes each and been the better for it.
Heck, The Judas Kiss could even have maybe been a top 10 Metallica song for me if it was 5 minutes instead of 8. Kirk and Lars aren't good enough to be playing instrumental sections like that, the songs just fall apart. It's hard to listen to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on August 22, 2016, 09:53:17 AM
Nice to hear the double bass. But the haters will still complain. Hardwired sounds great, for some reason I really wasn't expecting a short song like that. I've pretty much expecting a Death Magnetic/AJFA style songwriting. And that wouldn't be a problem either. Big fan of DM, but I'm glad it won't just be DM2.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 22, 2016, 10:09:43 AM
It's one thing to look purely at track times and try to draw a correlation between good and bad songs (which is silly, but to be fair, it lines up very well with DTF's opinions on DT songs), but Metallica's last two albums are a pretty good reason to be worried about longer song lengths. It doesn't mean that will be the case, but it's not an unfounded worry.

Yeah this. Don't get me wrong, I won't pre-judge a song based merely on length, that would be ridiculous. For me, DM could have used a trimming in many sections of songs, so based on that, longer songs on this record might suffer from that same over-long arrangement approach for me. That's all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 22, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:

https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)

Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them.  Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after.   :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 22, 2016, 12:03:02 PM
I just realized, the vocal melody for Hardwired in that video is literally just two notes for the entire song. The studio version adds a third note sung only once.
I think that is probably objectively their most basic and simplistic melody ever, even compared to their other early thrash era stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 22, 2016, 12:03:47 PM
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:

https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)

Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them.  Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after.   :metal :metal :metal

Well, I'll say this.  It sounds better in a live setting than the studio version.  Another note from that video, at least, Lars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 22, 2016, 12:10:57 PM
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:

https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)

Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them.  Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after.   :metal :metal :metal

Well, I'll say this.  It sounds better in a live setting than the studio version.  Another note from that video, at least, Lars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.

I have to agree with this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 22, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
Another note from that video, at least, Lars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.

I'm not sure this is necessary.  He's far from the "rock star aging least gracefully".  I'd rather that that any of the plethora of bad wigs on the dudes that still think they're playing The Whiskey circa 1987, or the "bandana that miraculously reaches from eyebrow to middle of scalp that many have adopted and looks absolutely fucking re-goddamn-diculous (Bret Michaels, Danny Koker). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

Well, I'll say this.  It sounds better in a liveLars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.

So? People sometimes go bald. He's been balding for a very long time and has joked about it. He's not trying to hide anything.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 22, 2016, 12:52:52 PM
I don't know why some care if he is bald and/or hiding it or not. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 22, 2016, 03:15:00 PM
Bald people look less ridiculous than people with obvious wigs / hair transplants.


Even Hetfield stopped dyeing his hair a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 22, 2016, 07:06:53 PM
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:

https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)

Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them.  Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after.   :metal :metal :metal

Yep, Metallica, if nothing else, knows how to promote themselves.

That song still sucks something awful, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 22, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
The live video is great, I'm loving Hardwired right now, the verse are just fun to sing along to maniacally :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
The live video is great, I'm loving Hardwired right now, the verse are just fun to sing along to maniacally :lol

It's fun to play super loud in the headphones.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 23, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
WOW, that is an amazing stage!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
They first used those massive screens last year but I can't remember what the occasion was.

They didn't use any pyro or anything for a long time. I wonder if the 3D movie is paid off yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on August 23, 2016, 11:14:31 AM
Maybe a glimpse of the third CD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xipvEWQjc
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
So, I'm watching a youtube of Hetfield performing such acoustic show by himself, and man it's awesome.

Would any one else dig an acoustic solo hetfield album? Maybe not 100% acoustic, but definitely mostly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 04:59:02 PM
Yes. Maybe there are some acoustic songs on Hardwired...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:07:40 PM
Yes. Maybe there are some acoustic songs on Hardwired...

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Oh thanks, I needed that.


But really, songs like Nothing Else Matters and Mama Said only exist cause James was just writing acoustic songs and Lars convinced him to put them on a Metallica album. I bet he has a few more in his pocket.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:09:09 PM
I can't fucking wait til there is an acoustic guitar on the new album. ::)





* I didn't mean acoustic only songs. I meant songs which feature SOME acoustic. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
I can't fucking wait til there is an acoustic guitar on the new album. ::)

I honestly doubt there will be an acoustic guitar, but there might be. There won't , however, be any acoustic songs. Mama Said is only half acoustic, Metallica has no acoustic songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:10:45 PM
Not what I meant.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:11:47 PM
You said "acoustic songs on hardwired"

What else could you have meant if not....acoustic songs? Did you just mean an acoustic track underneath a rock song?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
Songs which feature acoustic guitar.

Metallica have never ever done an acoustic ONLY song.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:15:12 PM
Songs which feature acoustic guitar.

Metallica have never ever done an acoustic ONLY song.

Or even a mostly acoustic song would be good. Like I said, Mama Said is the closest they've come. I mean, Unforgiven III had a piano intro, you wouldn't call that a piano song.

I'm just saying, I bet James has written some great songs just him and an acoustic guitar. I'd love an album of that. Whether or not a song or more on Hardwired has an acoustic track or features an acoustic part is not at all what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:21:49 PM
I am.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 23, 2016, 05:23:50 PM


I'm just saying, I bet James has written some great songs just him and an acoustic guitar. I'd love an album of that. Whether or not a song or more on Hardwired has an acoustic track or features an acoustic part is not at all what I'm talking about.

Yep, it's clear what you meant. I think that is obvious to most.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:35:11 PM
Adami meant acoustic only songs and I meant songs with acoustic on like Mama Said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:37:55 PM
Adami meant acoustic only songs and I meant songs with acoustic on like Mama Said.

That's cool, but I wasn't talking about a Metallica album, I was talking about a James solo album. I don't care whether or not a new Metallica album has an acoustic song.

I just meant it would be cool to see an entire album of James and an acoustic guitar. If you felt like detouring the subject, cool, I just had no idea you were.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
:lolpalm:

Talking about Metallica in a Metallica thread.

I DUN DERAILED DA THRED
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 23, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
I'd welcome some acoustics on the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:45:55 PM
:lolpalm:

Talking about Metallica in a Metallica thread.

I DUN DERAILED DA THRED

Didn't say you did. You just undermined my original question, now people are just going to talk about acoustic songs on a Metallica record. There is no James Hetfield thread, so it had go here.

But it's all good. I doubt the conversation would have lasted more than 2-3 posts anyway before becoming about acoustic songs on a Metallica album anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:48:17 PM
I'd welcome some acoustics on the new album.

As would I.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:49:04 PM

Didn't say you did. You just undermined my original question, now people are just going to talk about acoustic songs on a Metallica record. There is no James Hetfield thread, so it had go here.

But it's all good. I doubt the conversation would have lasted more than 2-3 posts anyway before becoming about acoustic songs on a Metallica album anyway.

Attaboy. :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:53:15 PM
I have no idea what you mean by that, but it doesn't matter.


So since a solo album is not going to be discussed, how much of the new record do you think will be played live? Metallica, as we've seen, do not venture too far off from a steady setlist ,and there's no room for that many new songs. So how many do you think will show up? Which current staples do you think might be replaced?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
James will never do a solo album whilst Metallica still exists and they played every song from Death Magnetic live at least once.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2016, 05:59:31 PM
Alright, two questions in a row shut down as quickly as possible.

I'll just stick to reading this thread for a bit apparently.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 23, 2016, 06:00:34 PM
I was talking about this with my brother the other day. I really do hope the new album is good but I'm also kind of looking forward to the day Metallica call it quits as a band and James can finally spread his wings and release something outside of Metallica, either a project with some other artists or some solo stuff. I think that will genuinely excite me more than any Metallica album could at this point.

Maybe just me though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 06:01:36 PM
Quote
Alright, two questions in a row shut down as quickly as possible.

I'll just stick to reading this thread for a bit apparently.


:facepalm:

No I answered them. With facts. Get off your high fucking horse. You're not a Moderator. Stop acting like one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 23, 2016, 06:07:07 PM
I have no idea what you mean by that, but it doesn't matter.


So since a solo album is not going to be discussed, how much of the new record do you think will be played live? Metallica, as we've seen, do not venture too far off from a steady setlist ,and there's no room for that many new songs. So how many do you think will show up? Which current staples do you think might be replaced?

Hard to tell at this point. Lars just told Rolling Stone that these songs in general are shorter than the songs on DM, so maybe they can fit more in one setlist. But it's a double album. Something's not right here  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2016, 06:23:32 PM
Imagine a radio edit of Hardwired.

The big gap between "We're so ***.....*** out of luck " :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SystematicThought on August 23, 2016, 08:36:41 PM
They did debut it on the radio station here in Minnesota but I'm not sure if it was online or actually on the radio. I didn't hear the interview so I don't know if it was an online exclusive or not.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on August 23, 2016, 11:44:39 PM
So, I'm watching a youtube of Hetfield performing such acoustic show by himself, and man it's awesome.

Would any one else dig an acoustic solo hetfield album? Maybe not 100% acoustic, but definitely mostly.
I would absolutely dig that sort of thing. Hetfield branching out from Metallica in general would be very interesting to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2016, 11:58:39 PM
Quote
Alright, two questions in a row shut down as quickly as possible.

I'll just stick to reading this thread for a bit apparently.


:facepalm:

No I answered them. With facts. Get off your high fucking horse. You're not a Moderator. Stop acting like one.
Er, no you didn't. You answered different questions, and did so in quite an abrasive manner. People don't need to be moderators to ask someone else to treat them with respect. This isn't the Kotowboy thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on August 24, 2016, 12:16:23 AM
I quite like his acoustic rendition of Motorbreath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVNWcLG15M
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 24, 2016, 04:29:45 AM
I have no idea what you mean by that, but nothing else matters.


So since a solo album is not going to be discussed, how much of the new record do you think will be played live? Metallica, as we've seen, do not venture too far off from a steady setlist ,and there's no room for that many new songs. So how many do you think will show up? Which current staples do you think might be replaced?

FTFY.

To actually answer your questions, Metallica will probably play most of the new record if not all of it throughout the tour. As far as what classics get replaced, I personally have been looking at setlists from the World Magnetic tour to get an idea. Seek & Destroy, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Master of Puppets, One, Enter Sandman, Sad But True, and Nothing Else Matters will most likely be played at every show and possibly Fuel as well. Fade to Black, Creeping Death, Battery, and The Unforgiven should show up in a setlist more often than not. Everything else will probably be played a couple of times during the tour but won't appear often with the exceptions of Hit the Lights, Ride the Lightning, Welcome Home (Sanitarium), Blackened, Wherever I May Roam, and The Memory Remains which will fall somewhere in between common and rare.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 24, 2016, 06:36:27 AM
Catching up on the thread.

A Hetfield acoustic, singer/songwriter type solo album would be incredible. Automatic buy from me.

I'd guess there might be some acoustic guitar layers on the new record, but probably not a full acoustic song.

I heard the debut of Hardwired on the radio station, they edited out the curse words in the chorus, it sounded hilarious, WE'RE SO------------ , ---------- OUT OF LUCK

I'd guess on the tour to support the new album they consistently play 5 of the 12 tracks. Probably not the same 5 every night, they'll switch it up like they did for DM but I can't see them surrendering more than 5 songs in the set list. It seems like they are under the impression they HAVE to play what they consider classics, which is a growing list.

Personally, I think the only classics Metallica feel like they need to play every night should be: MoP, One, ES, NEM. That's it. Everything else should be considered very optional.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on August 24, 2016, 06:45:53 AM
If you are on the fence about buying the 3 CD edition of Hardwire..., may this can help. Metstore aswered me about it:

"Hello,
 
We apologize for the delay. The riff originals are early demos of songs, not strictly limited to instrumentals.
 
Thank you!
 
Regards,
 
The Metallica Store
369 B Third Street
PMB #194
San Rafael, CA 94901 USA
FAX: (415) 458-1752
www.Metallica.com
 
From: andre vieira [mailto:devieira@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:40 AM
To: order@metallica.com; order@metclub.com
Subject: About the third disc of Hardwired...
 
Before I buy it, I would like to know if these "riff origins" songs are instrumentals with full band or just demo guitar riffs? Thanks!
 
André"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on August 24, 2016, 06:47:53 AM
So I guess it's different from that youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xipvEWQjc, which would have more sense if the third disc was a DVD, of course.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 24, 2016, 07:47:49 AM
Songs which feature acoustic guitar.

Metallica have never ever done an acoustic ONLY song.

Or even a mostly acoustic song would be good. Like I said, Mama Said is the closest they've come. I mean, Unforgiven III had a piano intro, you wouldn't call that a piano song.

I'm just saying, I bet James has written some great songs just him and an acoustic guitar. I'd love an album of that. Whether or not a song or more on Hardwired has an acoustic track or features an acoustic part is not at all what I'm talking about.

Adami, I'm with you 1000%.   James and a guitar, something like Chris Cornell's Higher Truth.  I'd buy that immediately, just on principle. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2016, 08:02:02 AM
I worked with a guy that was a huge Gov't Mule fan, and he let me borrow a CD that had James Hetfield on a track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiyABMgJMo

Het comes in on the 2nd verse. Always thought this was cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 24, 2016, 09:46:43 AM
Just imagine how many Hetfield songs we'll never hear because they weren't "metallica" songs.


And of course that stupid " no side projects " rule.

Although Rob still plays with other bands so who knows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 24, 2016, 09:53:43 AM
As I mentioned to b_f on FB recently, if your bass is slung lower than where Florida is on a map of the US, you might be Robert Trujillo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 24, 2016, 10:13:21 AM
FUCK ME!  I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!

Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard").  That gave me chills.   This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c

(Another good comment:  "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")

And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing:  Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 24, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
I've been waiting for 20 years for a Hetfield solo album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 24, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
Personally, I think the only classics Metallica feel like they need to play every night should be: MoP, One, ES, NEM. That's it. Everything else should be considered very optional.

I would probably agree with that (even conceding on Nothing Else Matters, which I was never much of a fan of until recently, but it's classic status is undeniable).

But hey, I have only see Metallica once, back in 1998, and the set list was:

Breadfan (cover)
Master of Puppets
Of Wolf and Man
The Thing That Should Not Be
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Bleeding Me
Nothing Else Matters
Until it Sleeps
King Nothing
Wherever I May Roam
One
Fight Fire with Fire

Low Man's Lyric/Four Horseman (acoustic)
Motorbreath (acoustic)
Sad But True
Enter Sandman

Creeping Death

Getting Of Wolf and Man, Bleeding Me, Creeping Death and The Thing That Should Not Be was pretty awesome, even if that concert did make my ears bleed. :lol :lol

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 25, 2016, 03:26:10 AM
FUCK ME!  I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!

Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard").  That gave me chills.   This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c

(Another good comment:  "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")

And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing:  Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w


Fun Fact : James played every instrument on " This Outlaw Bit ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on August 25, 2016, 03:34:01 AM
When a Blind Man Cries is awesome. The first guitar solo might be my favourite solo that Kirk has ever done, it's actually really good and tasteful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 25, 2016, 03:38:59 AM
Fun Fact 2 : because James recorded all rhythms on The Black Album and also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters ...


Kirk did not actually record a single note on the studio version.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 25, 2016, 06:11:55 AM
Fun Fact 2 : because James recorded all rhythms on The Black Album and also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters ...


Kirk did not actually record a single note on the studio version.

It's amazing how much more infinitely melodic that solo is than any solo that Kirk played on TBA besides The Unforgiven. Same goes for James' solos in Master of Puppets and Orion for that album as well as his solo in Suicide & Redemption for Death Magnetic. And at this point in their careers, James' technical chops are far beyond Kirk's as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 25, 2016, 06:39:58 AM

Breadfan (cover)
Master of Puppets
Of Wolf and Man
The Thing That Should Not Be
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Bleeding Me
Nothing Else Matters
Until it Sleeps
King Nothing
Wherever I May Roam
One
Fight Fire with Fire

Low Man's Lyric/Four Horseman (acoustic)
Motorbreath (acoustic)
Sad But True
Enter Sandman

Creeping Death

Getting Of Wolf and Man, Bleeding Me, Creeping Death and The Thing That Should Not Be was pretty awesome, even if that concert did make my ears bleed. :lol :lol

That's a pretty killer set Kev, good stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 25, 2016, 06:42:46 AM
I worked with a guy that was a huge Gov't Mule fan, and he let me borrow a CD that had James Hetfield on a track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiyABMgJMo

Het comes in on the 2nd verse. Always thought this was cool.

I bought the NASCAR compilation "Crank It Up" for this song alone (because James was on it... had never heard it before). The rest of the CD is actually pretty good (rare tracks from Staind and Tantric were on it, and a lot of the other tracks were rock covers from bands of that time). But this was always one of my favorites on the CD, for obvious reasons. James is good on everything he does.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2016, 07:15:58 AM
FUCK ME!  I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!

Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard").  That gave me chills.   This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c

(Another good comment:  "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")

And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing:  Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w


Fun Fact : James played every instrument on " This Outlaw Bit ".

Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2016, 07:18:04 AM
Fun Fact 2 : because James recorded all rhythms on The Black Album and also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters ...


Kirk did not actually record a single note on the studio version.

It's amazing how much more infinitely melodic that solo is than any solo that Kirk played on TBA besides The Unforgiven. Same goes for James' solos in Master of Puppets and Orion for that album as well as his solo in Suicide & Redemption for Death Magnetic. And at this point in their careers, James' technical chops are far beyond Kirk's as well.

Kirk seems to be one of those guys that thinks "the weirder it is the better it is" and "the weirder I am, the better I am" and I hate that mentality.  Someone go tell Gilmour he sucks because he's not "weird enough".    Lukather is another one.   Thousands of solos that are singable on the radio, and he's legend.  I'd love for Kirk to actually LISTEN to the underlying track and try to build something on it for once. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 25, 2016, 07:53:57 AM
Kirk seems to be one of those guys that thinks "the weirder it is the better it is" and "the weirder I am, the better I am" and I hate that mentality.  Someone go tell Gilmour he sucks because he's not "weird enough".    Lukather is another one.   Thousands of solos that are singable on the radio, and he's legend.  I'd love for Kirk to actually LISTEN to the underlying track and try to build something on it for once.

In regards to the bolded - to my ears, he successfully did that on some of his leads all the way up through the Loads. Those first 7 albums in their catalog, he has some solos that sit perfectly with the rest of the music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 25, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)


The song or that info ?

Song dunno but one of the moderators on the Metallica Forum confirmed that James played everything on the studio version of " This Outlaw Bit ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 25, 2016, 06:21:33 PM
A reviewer named bimu on Metal Archives said this in his review of the new song:

"I’d been trying to come up with a word that would adequately describe my feeling towards this song, I knew it was there, but it kept eluding me. Finally, I got it: it’s ‘stock’. Stock riffing, stock imagery, stock attitude, stock lyrics. Seriously, if there ever was a Metal Song Generator™, once you included ‘thrash’ as a prerequisite, it would spew out something like this."

That describes perfectly how I feel about Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2016, 06:34:54 PM
The guy is pretty much dead on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on August 25, 2016, 07:55:33 PM
Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)


The song or that info ?

Song dunno but one of the moderators on the Metallica Forum confirmed that James played everything on the studio version of " This Outlaw Bit ".

Here's the official announcement on Metallica.com that confirms that James played all the instruments.

https://metallica.com/blog/news/345727/james-on-waylon-jennings-tribute-album
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 25, 2016, 08:01:40 PM

Breadfan (cover)
Master of Puppets
Of Wolf and Man
The Thing That Should Not Be
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Bleeding Me
Nothing Else Matters
Until it Sleeps
King Nothing
Wherever I May Roam
One
Fight Fire with Fire

Low Man's Lyric/Four Horseman (acoustic)
Motorbreath (acoustic)
Sad But True
Enter Sandman

Creeping Death

Getting Of Wolf and Man, Bleeding Me, Creeping Death and The Thing That Should Not Be was pretty awesome, even if that concert did make my ears bleed. :lol :lol

That's a pretty killer set Kev, good stuff.

 :hat :coolio
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 26, 2016, 06:13:10 AM
FUCK ME!  I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!

Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard").  That gave me chills.   This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c

(Another good comment:  "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")

And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing:  Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w


Fun Fact : James played every instrument on " This Outlaw Bit ".

Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)

https://www.amazon.com/Ive-Always-Been-Crazy-Jennings/dp/B0000AQRZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472213543&sr=8-1&keywords=waylon+jennings+tribute
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on August 26, 2016, 02:56:54 PM
I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2016, 02:58:14 PM
I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.


Have a listen to the previews of Death Magnetic remastered on iTunes. It's a lot better. Make sure it says " Mastered for iTunes " in a blue box in the corner ... :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on August 26, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
I'll give that a shot.  :tup

Edit: Damn, it sounds significantly better.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2016, 03:04:39 PM
I'll give that a shot.  :tup

Edit: Damn, it sounds significantly better.  :lol

Do you want me to PM you the dropbox link for the whole album ?  I bought the remastered version :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Randaran on August 26, 2016, 03:06:17 PM
I'll buy it myself. I don't want to get in trouble on uni wifi.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2016, 03:19:55 PM
 :omg: :omg: :omg:

u wot m8

:P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on August 26, 2016, 03:54:21 PM
I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.


Have a listen to the previews of Death Magnetic remastered on iTunes. It's a lot better. Make sure it says " Mastered for iTunes " in a blue box in the corner ... :)
Is that much different to the guitar hero versions?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2016, 04:01:09 PM
I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.


Have a listen to the previews of Death Magnetic remastered on iTunes. It's a lot better. Make sure it says " Mastered for iTunes " in a blue box in the corner ... :)
Is that much different to the guitar hero versions?

Yes. A lot more oomph to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on August 27, 2016, 04:26:16 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Genowyn on August 27, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
Only just heard about the new album today.

This album cover is like Dance of Death level.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on August 29, 2016, 10:28:14 PM
Just imagine how many Hetfield songs we'll never hear because they weren't "metallica" songs.
And of course that stupid " no side projects " rule.
Although Rob still plays with other bands so who knows.

Not many according to a So What!, the official fan club magazine, interview I read in the past. He has riffs and patterns but never finishes writing a complete song if there's no intention of putting it to use.
I used to like his "no side projects" rule a lot, basically cause he explained in a convincing way at some point. But I was never a fan of any side projects from any other band before I was introduced to Liquid Tension Experiment and since then my mind has been opened to the idea a bit. Still, it's very rare that someone in a band I like, especially if it's the principal writer of the band, makes a side project that is strong and also doesn't hurt their main band creatively, but that's just me.
About Trujillo, his playing with Rodrigo y Gabriela or anybody else doesn't contradict Hetfield's "no side projects" rule as long as he doesn't count as a member of another band or writes for them. Hetfield himself made several guest spots, like on Corrosion of Conformity or Danzig records and live performances. Newsted himself was made a guest spot on Sepultura's Against album, I remember that's how I got in introduced to Sepultura back in the late 90's.
 

FUCK ME!  I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!

Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard").  That gave me chills.   This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c

(Another good comment:  "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")

And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing:  Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w

Man I had forgotten about that Waylon Jennings cover. I made an album on my iPod around 2004 and called it Garage After heh, it contains about 12 songs of covers and other non-album tracks so they wouldn't be scattered all over, when you mentioned this song I went back and listened to some of the songs in that album and it reminded me of how fun the Ramones covers were.

It's almost impossible for me to find any Metallica live footage/interviews that dates pre-00's that I haven't seen before, since I was a huge Metallica bootleg collector back in the day but I found a couple of intersting ones since this new album hype started last week and I've been browsing around.
This (https://youtu.be/IoRS-bzfuUQ) is a TV interview that took place near the end of recording The Black Album, it has more good information was not mentioned in the entire Year & Half documentary nor the VH1 Making of Black Album DVD IMO, mainly about how they felt about Justice. To add to what's been said in the video; in early So What! interviews they had mentioned that at one point during the Damaged Justice tour, Hetfield told Ulrich "I never wanna play this fuckin song again" about AJFA and Ulrich agreed that he was tired of the progressive elements, the tempo changes and the lengthy songs, Hammet also got on board saying that he feels like they lose the audience while playing some of the longer Justice songs live.
I would also add on my side that it made a lot of sense to me when they said that what happened on the Wherever We May Roam and Nowhere Else to Roam tours, which was the Justice Medley, to just play what they thought was the best parts of the long songs and the premiere of the short version of MoP. And I think the fact that this mentality was reversed in the 00's was totally fan influenced.

The second video (https://youtu.be/c2Sih62y1Rk) I found that I had not seen before was an interview with Hammet during the MOR tour 88, the Peter North impersonator there asks Kirk about the "new song" they premiered that day and it's Harvester of Sorrow :biggrin:, just thought it was funny what he said about it. Also some cool concert footage there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on August 30, 2016, 04:36:21 AM
I love James' singing on the Deep Purple cover!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 30, 2016, 10:20:42 AM
Lars : No Big Ballad on Hardwired To Self Destruct.


 ::) ::) Oh Well...

At this stage of their careers - i'd take an album of nothing BUT ballads over an album with NO ballads at all...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
I'm ok with there not being a ballad, as long as there's a lot of melodies, which Rob said there are. I loved DM, but I feel the songs could've been WAY more melodic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 30, 2016, 11:01:15 AM
Yeah I'm okay with the idea of no ballad as well.

Also, I'm curious what Lars considers a "ballad". I'd be surprised if there wasn't some song that slowed things down a bit, at least for a portion of the song. But Lars maybe doesn't consider it a ballad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 30, 2016, 11:04:28 AM
I'm ok with there not being a ballad, as long as there's a lot of melodies, which Rob said there are. I loved DM, but I feel the songs could've been WAY more melodic.

I agree. I don't need ballads from Metallica, I just want some good melodies. Hardwired is completely devoid of any melody, unfortunately. Hopefully the rest of the album delivers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 30, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
Yup, that's all they need is a bit more melody on this album, and maybe more dynamics.

Hardwired felt like the usual Metallica song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on August 30, 2016, 11:20:46 AM
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.

I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on August 30, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
Never liked their ballads, unless you count Fade to Black (I wouldn't). The ballads were the worst part of DM. So that's fine by me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 30, 2016, 04:01:06 PM
Never liked their ballads, unless you count Fade to Black (I wouldn't). The ballads were the worst part of DM. So that's fine by me.

I agree about Unforgiven III - the worst song on the album AND the worst Unforgiven by some distance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2016, 04:01:50 PM
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.

I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.

I have no idea how you could consider Fixxxer or Carpe Diem Baby to be anything remotely similar to a ballad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 30, 2016, 05:43:44 PM
C'mon people, Metallica only did ballads one way (save Re/Load). "Fade to Black," "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)," "One," "Nothing Else Matters."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on August 30, 2016, 06:11:04 PM
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.

I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.

I have no idea how you could consider Fixxxer or Carpe Diem Baby to be anything remotely similar to a ballad.

I guess our definitions of "ballad" may vary.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "a slow sentimental or romantic song". I think both Fixxxer and Carpe Diem Baby are slow sentimental songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
So is Sad But True, Wherever I May Roam, and other songs I'm way too lazy to think about right now.

I think, in the context of the metal genre, that definition might not be completely accurate.

Unless we want to define ballads as "totally amazing songs", in which case those songs you listed are totally ballads.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 30, 2016, 06:55:52 PM
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.

I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.

I have no idea how you could consider Fixxxer or Carpe Diem Baby to be anything remotely similar to a ballad.

I guess our definitions of "ballad" may vary.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "a slow sentimental or romantic song". I think both Fixxxer and Carpe Diem Baby are slow sentimental songs.

To be fair, the correct term as blossomed in '80s music journalism is 'power ballad.' The difference between power and non-power ballads these days can be very thin, with the constant hybridization and re-hybridization of genres. Metallica were pretty consistent with the method, though – all the songs I listed follow the same basic power ballad structure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2016, 07:18:44 PM
2nd new song is up!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sajHcUV0F68
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2016, 08:01:32 PM
2nd new song is up!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sajHcUV0F68

 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 30, 2016, 08:17:51 PM
2nd new song is up!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sajHcUV0F68
Better than the first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 31, 2016, 10:05:30 AM
Quality.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on August 31, 2016, 03:40:21 PM
(https://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/6/3/8/2638.jpg)

Somehow I keep coming back to this album. My first Metallica album was The Black Album when I was around 7 years old. I thought it was their first because it was simply titled 'Metallica'. Then I got this and loved it straight away. It was only after these two that I got to know the thrash albums of the 80's.

I'll be the first to praise Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, but I'm glad Load exists. It fails in spots, but where it succeeds there's some of the most astounding songs the band have ever written. James' vocals and lyrics are excellent and the production and guitar tones are just out of this world. It's not thrash metal, but it's good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 31, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
Load & Reload are both great. I really don't know what people's problem with them are.



Reload was one of my first Metallica albums and I love it.

Furthermore : I think that the weakest tracks on Reload are better than Load's weakest tracks.

i.e I'd rather listen to " Better Than You " than " Poor Twisted Me " any day.


Plus Bleeding Me, Fixxxer , Where The Wild Things Are, Mama Said, Unforgiven II and The Outlaw Torn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
Load & Reload are both great. I really don't know what people's problem with them are.



Reload was one of my first Metallica albums and I love it.

Furthermore : I think that the weakest tracks on Reload are better than Load's weakest tracks.

i.e I'd rather listen to " Better Than You " than " Poor Twisted Me " any day.

Agree 100%. Maybe more, but I'd have to check my math.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 31, 2016, 03:55:29 PM
:hug: :hifive:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on August 31, 2016, 04:03:12 PM
i.e I'd rather listen to " Better Than You " than " Poor Twisted Me " any day.

Ha, that song was playing when I read your comment. Yeah, Load reaches a low somewhere around that point. It's a bit too goofy into the whole blues-rock thing. I still like it though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 31, 2016, 04:08:14 PM
Reload sounds amazing.

Wild Things especially.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on August 31, 2016, 04:14:15 PM
That's the 'problem' I have with recent Metallica. Even if that new song Hardwired sounds pretty good, it doesn't have a 'vibe' in my opinion. I'm a huge fan of TBA and the (Re)Load albums' sound. It sounds fat, but still open and deep enough. Great production work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 31, 2016, 04:18:53 PM
I'm just glad Rick Ruin is not producing the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 31, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
Reload sounds amazing.

Wild Things especially.

If Load and ReLoad were just 1 album (with the best material of both, obviously), it would have been amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
Load and ReLoad are excellent albums.

I've always felt that ReLoad in particular is tragically underrated. So many great songs. And it pisses me off that they don't pay enough attention to it live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2016, 09:13:09 PM
If they'd cut Load/Reload down to one album, it would have been one of my favourite Metallica albums. Assuming they chose the good songs, of course. :P As they stand, there's far too much filler for them to be excellent, unfortunately. But the best material is definitely as good as anything else they've done.


Load & Reload are both great. I really don't know what people's problem with them are.

Oh sure you do.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2016, 09:15:50 PM
I know people talk quite a bit about turning the Loads into one album, and I'm sure there'll be another list of tracklists again in a minute or two, but I haven't been able to put all of my favorites from the two of them into a single 80 minute disk. However, if they did what they did for Hardwired, two shorter disks, that would be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2016, 09:22:01 PM
If I put everything I listen to from the two albums together, it would be an even hour. Interestingly, nothing from the second half of either album, so it would be a nice clean cut too!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on September 01, 2016, 01:37:59 AM
No Outlaw Torn or Fixxxer? Blasphemy.

Here's my Load/ReLoad tracklist, it's around 75 minutes, perfect for one disc.

1. Fuel
2. Until It Sleeps
3. The Unforgiven II
4. King Nothing
5. Bleeding Me
6. Where the Wild Things Are
7. Mama Said
8. The Memory Remains
9. Devil's Dance
10. Hero of the Day
11. Low Man's Lyric
12. Fixxxer
13. The Outlaw Torn

It this were an album, it'd definitely be in my Top 3, maybe even ahead of AJFA for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2016, 01:52:47 AM
No Outlaw Torn or Fixxxer? Blasphemy.


Should I be at all surprised that on a prog forum you go right for the longest songs on the respective albums? :lol :P I just find both of those songs overly drawn out and repetitive and plodding, and surprisingly similar sounding. They're not bad, they're just completely unremarkable imo.

Overall though, there's a high percentage of overlap between your tracklist and what mine would be. I'd exclude 5 that you've included and include 3 different ones, but none of those omissions are essential material, so I'd still consider your version stronger than the two individual discs. Your tracklist wouldn't have very good flow though for me with the placement of the skip tracks breaking it up too much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on September 01, 2016, 01:55:58 AM
Length isn't the main factor, it's how you use it. :zydar: I find both songs use its length very well, especially Fixxxer, which I find to be one of Metallica's most underrated tracks.

Out of curiousity, how would your tracklist look?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2016, 01:59:48 AM
I haven't given any thought to a track order, but in terms if what songs I'd include, it would be-

Ain't My Bitch
2x4
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
Bleeding Me
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Devil's Dance
The Unforgiven II
Slither

As I said, the three I'd include that you didn't aren't close to essential or amazing, but I still dig them if I'm listening through the albums. 2x4 actually has a pretty cool Sabbath-y groove to it with that riff. Good call on keeping Fuel as an opener too. Such a high energy and straightforward way to kick off the album. I think having two such long songs at the end would be a slog though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on September 01, 2016, 02:05:50 AM
Not totally happy with Fixxxer and Outlaw closing the album, but both have the feel of a closer to me, so I'm not quite sure how they could be placed otherwise on an album with both of them on it.

2X4 is a good choice, I might just have to add that, it'd be under 80 minutes still. Never been a fan of Ain't My Bitch and I actively dislike Slither, so that's the furthest that we'll be able to coordinate our tracklists, I'm afraid. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2016, 02:12:04 AM
Not totally happy with Fixxxer and Outlaw closing the album, but both have the feel of a closer to me, so I'm not quite sure how they could be placed otherwise on an album with both of them on it.

2X4 is a good choice, I might just have to add that, it'd be under 80 minutes still. Never been a fan of Ain't My Bitch and I actively dislike Slither, so that's the furthest that we'll be able to coordinate our tracklists, I'm afraid. :lol

It's ok, Ain't My Bitch and Slither are right at the bottom of the tracks I listen to anyway, and it wouldn't be a huge loss if they didn't exist on the albums. I listen to them and enjoy them for what they are, but even on a single disc album I'd consider them the filler. And I must say, Ain't My Bitch was not a good way to start off Load with such a change in sound from TBA. Sticking to tracks off Load, I would have opened with King Nothing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 01, 2016, 03:14:30 AM
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 01, 2016, 03:29:37 AM
Fuel
Ain't My Bitch
Hero Of The Day
The House Jack Built
Devil's Dance
Until It Sleeps
Bleeding Me
The Memory Remains
2x4
Attitude
Cure
Where The Wild Things Are
Low Man's Lyric (with around 3 minutes cut out)
The Outlaw Torn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 01, 2016, 05:15:38 AM
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.

Totally this.

I heard S&M before either Load/Reload so the S&M versions always own the original versions for me.

S&M in general just owns, the version of Call of Ktulu is one of my favourite things ever, especially because it comes after the amazing Ecstasy of Gold intro and leads perfectly into Master of Puppets!! Best live album ever!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2016, 05:58:32 AM
Oddly, I bought S&M when it came out, and honestly, I'm not sure I have ever listened to the whole thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 01, 2016, 06:27:49 AM
Oddly, I bought S&M when it came out, and honestly, I'm not sure I have ever listened to the whole thing.

I mean I love orchestral music as it is anyway, especially orchestral versions of video game music. I think in some of the songs on the album the arrangements lend themselves perfectly. Some less so but still my favourite live album. It's Metallica but not like we know them. I'd love it if they did another live show like this but then again it is perfect because it's a one-off, maybe.

Dig it out and give it a listen, would be very surprised if you didn't find something in there that you liked. Even if it's just the two songs they wrote specifically for the show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2016, 07:49:51 AM
Oddly, I bought S&M when it came out, and honestly, I'm not sure I have ever listened to the whole thing.

Strongly recommended
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2016, 07:54:02 AM
I guess I have a mental block of some sort.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 01, 2016, 09:17:26 AM
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.

All 4 of the Load songs are superior on S&M IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on September 01, 2016, 09:32:37 AM
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.

All 4 of the Load songs are superior on S&M IMO.

I agree. Just recently went through their collection, Load did not age well for me and surprisingly Re-Load was better than I remember. Fixxer is fantastic. But, the Load songs on S&M are amazing. In fact I have always loved S&M and never understood the hate it gets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
I hate the S&M version of Hero of the Day. Sounds way too Disney and...... yeah. I don't like that version of Until it Sleeps either. The orchestra makes it busier without adding anything, and the song sounds lacking without all of the harmonies and at the faster tempo. I can't say I've ever listened to the other two Load songs on S&M, since I'm not big on them to begin with.
For the most part, S&M largely doesn't work for me. When it works, it's amazing, but there are so few songs where it actually does work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 01, 2016, 10:48:18 AM
My Load/ReLoad merger:

Fuel
Until it Sleeps
Devil's Dance
The Unforgiven II
King Nothing
Where the Wild Things Are
Bleeding Me
Low Man's Lyric
Fixxxer

That's really the only songs that I like from either album.

As far as S&M goes, Blob hit the nail right on the head. There's songs like The Call of Ktulu, Master of Puppets, and Nothing Else Matters that worked really well but then there's songs like Of Wolf and Man and Sad But True that just don't work. Even between the two originals, No Leaf Clover turned out great while -Human is mediocre. The album is very hit and miss with enough great stuff to make it worth listening to. It's just a shame that not everything worked with the orchestra otherwise this might have ended up being the greatest live album of all time. However, the S&M version of One is a masterpiece. I still get chills every time I hear it. The orchestra took an already incredible song and brought it to a whole other plane entirely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
The Call of Ktulu and One are incredible on S&M. The section in One just before the verse (and after the chorus) with the two clean guitar parts gives me chills every time with the orchestra.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2016, 10:50:33 AM
Until it Sleeps is one of my favorites from S&M.  Bleeding me is also fantastic, as well as Outlaw Torn.  I have no issues with the orchestration on this, in fact I think it's probably the most well done orchestration added to metal music (as in music that wasn't initially written with orchestration).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 01, 2016, 12:09:30 PM
In comparison to the S&M version, the original Outlaw Torn sounds way too one-dimensional. The orchestra adds so much color to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2016, 01:21:52 PM
Yea, the S&M versions of any song off Load/Reload (Fuel being debatable) I feel are better than the studio versions.

I don't think Battery worked or stuff like that, and I was really disappointed that the machine gun section in One (Darkness...etc) where the strings went super melodic and epic instead of following suit which would have added to that intensity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 01, 2016, 01:32:46 PM
One of my favourite things on S&M is the first Orchestra descending scale after " Say Your Prayers Little One, Don't Forget My Son, To Include Every One " *orchestra scale*.

It only happens once and it sound f---ing amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on September 01, 2016, 01:42:40 PM
I haven't given any thought to a track order, but in terms if what songs I'd include, it would be-

Ain't My Bitch
2x4
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
Bleeding Me
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Devil's Dance
The Unforgiven II
Slither

As I said, the three I'd include that you didn't aren't close to essential or amazing, but I still dig them if I'm listening through the albums. 2x4 actually has a pretty cool Sabbath-y groove to it with that riff. Good call on keeping Fuel as an opener too. Such a high energy and straightforward way to kick off the album. I think having two such long songs at the end would be a slog though.

Those would be the exact songs I would include as well :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2016, 01:47:56 PM
Called it.


Eh, here's where I have a problem, like I said, with fitting all of the songs I want onto one album. (in no order other than what I'm remembering) Here is the songs I would want, which would fit better on two shorter albums than 2 longer albums or one long album.

1. Ain't My Bitch
2. The House Jack Built
3. Until it Sleeps
4. King Nothing
5. Bleeding Me
6. Mama Said
7. Thorn Within
8. The Outlaw Torn
9. Fuel
10. Memory Remains
11. Devil's Dance
12. Unforgiven II
13. Where the Wild Things Are
14. Low Man's Lyric
15. Fixxxer
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2016, 03:48:49 PM
Mine would be an EP

Ain't My Bitch
Wasting My Hate
Bleeding Me
Fuel
The Outlaw Torn.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 01, 2016, 05:45:46 PM
Don't know where else to put it, but former bassist Jason Newsted had made his presence felt again after he pretty much vanished (disbanded his solo band Newsted, deactivated his social media accounts, etc.) for like two years and did an interview with Eddie Trunk on what the heck happened to him in the last few years.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/newsted_why_i_disbanded_my_solo_band__withdrew_from_music.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 01, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
Well, thanks to you guys I'm gonna listen to Load for the first time tonight.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WDADU on September 01, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
A much better record than people give it credit for. I actually like it better than the "Black Album". In fact, "Bleeding Me" alone is better than the entire "Black Album."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 01, 2016, 08:13:06 PM
I listened to both Load and Reload earlier this year for the first time (for roulette) and I liked them more than I expected. I still like RtL-Black more but both are really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2016, 08:27:39 PM
A much better record than people give it credit for. I actually like it better than the "Black Album". In fact, "Bleeding Me" alone is better than the entire "Black Album."

Bleeding Me is all kinds of awesome, but I'm just not in on Load being better than The Black Album, as much of a disappointment (at the time) that it was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on September 01, 2016, 08:46:07 PM
I remember thinking at the time that ReLoad was pretty good and consistent; I could listen to all of it straight through without skipping anything, even though nothing on it was great.  That was a contrast to Load, which has probably 4-5 songs better than the best one on ReLoad, but also has a handful of songs that are full of suckage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 01, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
We doing combined Load-Reload tracklists?

1. Fuel
2. The Memory Remains
3. The Outlaw Torn
4. Mama Said
5. The House Jack Built
6. Until It Sleeps
7. Hero of the Day
8. Bleeding Me
9. Where the Wild Things Are
10. Low Man's Lyric
11. The Unforgiven II
12. Fixxxer

This is my favorite era of Metallica. However, neither of the albums are among my favorites—because I think they both suffer from inconsistent quality—though contra Kev I think that problem is much worse on Reload than it is on Load.

The album above, if it existed, would be my favorite Metallica album, and it wouldn't even be close.

That said, I think the decision to make two albums was the correct one. I think they were right to think that there was more than one disc's worth of material from those sessions that deserved to see the light of day. I just don't think they should have done a jam-packed album and then another pretty full album. They released 27 songs from the Load era; I think they should have released about 20 on albums and packaged the rest as b-sides.

I would have killed Poor Twisted Me and Wasting My Hate from Load, and Better Than You, Carpe Diem Baby (I know, but I actually dislike this song), Bad Seed and Attitude from Reload. Prince Charming and Cure are borderline cases. I'd lean towards killing them, but I could be persuaded into keeping them—they aren't really bad, but they are middling and drag the overall albums down. That would leave us with an 11-12 song Load and an 8-9 song Reload, so maybe shunt one or two Load songs over to the second album—Thorn Within might be a good candidate, and there you have two albums that IMO would stand up among Metallica's best. They'd probably rate 3rd and 4th in my rankings behind Ride and The Black Album. As is, these albums fall 5th and 7th (MOP lies between them, the debut and the obvious one lie below).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2016, 10:16:44 PM
A much better record than people give it credit for. I actually like it better than the "Black Album". In fact, "Bleeding Me" alone is better than the entire "Black Album."

lolno, but Load/Reload are definitely better than people give them credit for, at least on an individual song level. But Metallica haven't released an album that comes close to topping TBA since (imo).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 02, 2016, 12:58:49 AM
Load is very front loaded.

Tracks 8 - 14 are not that great except for Mama Said , Wasting My Hate and Outlaw Torn.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 02, 2016, 01:04:56 AM
As I said earlier, I wouldn't keep anything from the second half of Load (or Reload), so I agree it's very front loaded. At least it works better for flow to listen to the first half and then stop, rather than having to skip around a lot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 02, 2016, 01:09:04 AM
Also despite constantly being called " the leftovers from Load " - there's nothing on Reload I skip - unlike Cure, Poor Twisted Me, Ronnie...Which I almost never listen to.

I even like Better Than You, Attitude and Prince Charming.

Prince Charming could have been on The Black Album - especially that breakdown section.


I wonder how the albums would have been received if Reload had come first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 02, 2016, 01:02:58 PM
Pick 2 songs from each studio album, one cover from Garage Inc and one of I Disappear, Minus Human or No Leaf Clover to make a 20 track best of.

1. Motorbreath
2. The Four Horsemen
3. Ride The Lightning
4. The Call Of Ktulu
5. Disposable Heroes
6. Orion
7. The Frayed Ends Of Sanity
8. Blackened
9. Sad But True
10. The Struggle Within
11. The Outlaw Torn
12. The Hero Of The Day
13. Where The Wild Things Are
14. Carpe Diem Baby
15. The Unnamed Feeling
16. My World
17. That Was Just Your Life
18. All Nightmare Long
19. It's Electric
20. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 02, 2016, 01:07:11 PM
God, this thread has reminded me to dust off the old DVD of S&M... Good stuff, haven't watched/listened in a long time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 02, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
First time I put the CD in my Dad's Bang & Olufsen hi fi it blew me away. It sounded so ridiculously epic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 02, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
Pick 2 songs from each studio album, one cover from Garage Inc and one of I Disappear, Minus Human or No Leaf Clover to make a 20 track best of.

Have never heard Garage Inc. since I don't care much about covers. Don't see why we're excluding Beyond Magnetic? I'll put one from there in place of Garage Inc.

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Seek and Destroy
3. Fade to Black
4. The Call of Ktulu
5. Master of Puppets
6. Orion
7. One
8. To Live Is To Die
9. The Unforgiven
10. Nothing Else Matters
11. Bleeding Me
12. The Outlaw Torn
13. Low Man's Lyric
14. Fixxxer
15. Frantic
16. The Unnamed Feeling
17. The Unforgiven III
18. Suicide & Redemption
19. Rebel of Babylon
20. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 02, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
As you wish...

I bought Beyond Magnetic on CD. At the time it was half an hour of "new" Metallica.

It's not that great in retrospect. I don't think anything on that EP is better than anything on Death Magnetic bar Unforgiven III.

If I had to pick one of the 4 tracks it would be Just A Bullet Away.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 02, 2016, 02:55:48 PM
I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 02, 2016, 03:00:18 PM
Have never heard Garage Inc. since I don't care much about covers.

Dude if you like Metallica, I consider Garage Inc. a must listen. It's up in Spotify, check it out at least once. There's a reason a lot of people consider Metallica to be one of the best when it comes to covers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Evermind on September 02, 2016, 03:16:06 PM
425 and "check it out on Spotify" are those two things that don't really go well together. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 02, 2016, 04:11:44 PM
Hmm...

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Seek & Destroy
3. For Whom The Bell Tolls
4. Creeping Death
5. Master of Puppets
6. Orion
7. Blackened
8. One
9. Unforgiven
10. Wherever I May Roam
11. Until It Sleeps
12. Bleeding Me
13. Low Man's Lyrics
14. Fixxxer
15. Some Kind of Monster
16. My World
17. The End of the Line
18. Cyanide
19. No Leaf Clover

I haven't listened to Beyond Magnetic in a looooong time, so I don't think I know which song I like best on there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2016, 07:10:12 PM
I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.

Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on September 02, 2016, 10:50:43 PM
I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.

Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??

can someone please go check on TAC.  I believe he's had a heart attack.

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 03, 2016, 08:47:54 AM
I'm gonna do two best of lists.

The first one which is a compilation of their biggest hits from each album.

01: Hit the Lights
02: Seek & Destroy
03: For Whom the Bell Tolls
04: Fade to Black
05: Battery
06: Master of Puppets
07: Blackened
08: One
09: Enter Sandman
10: Nothing Else Matters
11: Until it Sleeps
12: King Nothing
13: Fuel
14: The Memory Remains
15: Turn the Page (Bob Seger cover)
16: I Disappear
17: Frantic
18: St. Anger
19: The Day That Never Comes
20: All Nightmare Long

And the second one which is my favorites from each album.

01: The Four Horsemen
02: Metal Militia
03: Creeping Death
04: The Call of Ktulu
05: Master of Puppets
06: Orion
07: Blackened
08: ...And Justice For All
09: Sad But True
10: My Friend of Misery
11: Until it Sleeps
12: King Nothing
13: The Unforgiven II
14: Low Man's Lyric
15: Turn the Page (Bob Seger cover)
16: No Leaf Clover
17: Frantic
18: St. Anger
19: All Nightmare Long
20: The Unforgiven III
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
I'll never be a fan of Unforgiven III.

It's by far my least favourite song on Death Magnetic AND my least favourite Unforgiven. My favourite is Unforgiven II.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 03, 2016, 09:27:43 AM
I must admit I love all the Unforgiven's.

As for worst song on DM, that clearly belongs to The Judas Kiss  :tdwn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 03, 2016, 09:29:09 AM
The Judas Kiss is by far the best song on DM imo. If it weren't for the sloppy instrumental section, it would be a top Metallica song to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 03, 2016, 09:29:59 AM
I love The Judas Kiss. I think Broken, Beat and Scarred is the worst song on Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 03, 2016, 09:31:00 AM
I'd agree with Broken, Beat and Scarred as the worst. I don't really like My Apocalypse or Suicide and Redemption either. The rest is at least alright.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 03, 2016, 09:45:26 AM
Never liked Judas Kiss. It feels way too long in my opinion. It's a close call as there a few others that are very close to being my least favourite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2016, 11:09:59 AM
S&R isn't my fave but it's up there. It's a much better instrumental than TLITD imo....

Here are my least favourite songs from each studio album : :biggrin:

1. Pulling Teeth
2. Escape
3. Damage Inc ( but i love every song so its hard to choose )
4. To Live Is To Die
5. My Friend Of Misery
6. Poor Twisted Me
7. Slither
8. All Within My Hands
9. Unforgiven III
10. Rebel of Babylon ( Beyond Magnetic )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 03, 2016, 11:14:57 AM
S&R isn't my fave but it's up there. It's a much better instrumental than TLITD imo....

Here are my least favourite songs from each studio album : :biggrin:

1. Pulling Teeth
2. Escape
3. Damage Inc ( but i love every song so its hard to choose )
4. To Live Is To Die
5. My Friend Of Misery
6. Poor Twisted Me
7. Slither
8. All Within My Hands
9. Unforgiven III
10. Rebel of Babylon ( Beyond Magnetic )

To Live is to Die is one of my absolute favourite Metallica tracks. I want the big three instrumentals from RtL, MoP and AJfA played at my funeral!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 03, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
1. Whiplash
2. The Four Horsemen
3. Fade to Black
4. Creeping Death
5. Master of Puppets
6. Orion
7. One
8. Dyer's Eve
9. The Unforgiven
10. Wherever I May Roam
11. Mama Said
12. Thorn Within
13. Where the Wild Things Are
14. Fixxxer
15. Frantic
16. The Unnamed Feeling
17. Broken Beaten and Scarred
18. The Judas Kiss
19. Turn the Page
20. No Leaf Clover
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on September 03, 2016, 11:25:03 AM
I actually think the worst song on Death Magnetic is The Day that Never Comes. The first half is fine, but the second is terribly forced and has some of the worst riffs they've ever recorded. Many of the songs on that album in general are brought down by a poor instrumental section/solo (The Judas Kiss, BB&S), or by simply being too goddamn long (The End of the Line, S&R). That Was Just Your Life has none of these issues, and Cyanide is close.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 03, 2016, 11:48:03 AM
S&R isn't my fave but it's up there. It's a much better instrumental than TLITD imo....

Here are my least favourite songs from each studio album : :biggrin:

1. Pulling Teeth
2. Escape
3. Damage Inc ( but i love every song so its hard to choose )
4. To Live Is To Die
5. My Friend Of Misery
6. Poor Twisted Me
7. Slither
8. All Within My Hands
9. Unforgiven III
10. Rebel of Babylon ( Beyond Magnetic )

My least favorite.

1. Motorbreath
2. Escape
3. The Thing That Should Not Be (but I love every song)
4. Eye of the Beholder
5. Of Wolf and Man
6. Hero of the Day
7. The Memory Remains
8. Invisible Kid
9. Broken, Beat and Scarred
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on September 03, 2016, 02:12:28 PM
I actually think the worst song on Death Magnetic is The Day that Never Comes. The first half is fine, but the second is terribly forced and has some of the worst riffs they've ever recorded. Many of the songs on that album in general are brought down by a poor instrumental section/solo (The Judas Kiss, BB&S), or by simply being too goddamn long (The End of the Line, S&R). That Was Just Your Life has none of these issues, and Cyanide is close.
I don't agree with it being the worst, but you're absolutely right about the second half of The Day that Never Comes being far, far worse than the first half (which I really like).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2016, 02:17:44 PM
Well, thanks to you guys I'm gonna listen to Load for the first time tonight.


How was it ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 03, 2016, 07:50:40 PM
I actually think the worst song on Death Magnetic is The Day that Never Comes. The first half is fine, but the second is terribly forced and has some of the worst riffs they've ever recorded. Many of the songs on that album in general are brought down by a poor instrumental section/solo (The Judas Kiss, BB&S), or by simply being too goddamn long (The End of the Line, S&R). That Was Just Your Life has none of these issues, and Cyanide is close.
I don't agree with it being the worst, but you're absolutely right about the second half of The Day that Never Comes being far, far worse than the first half (which I really like).

I'll add another voice to say that I hate the 2nd half of TDTNC. It's so uninspired - from the Am I Evil? rip-off to Rob's puerile "circus" riff... just awful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on September 03, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
The second half of The Day That Never Comes is my favourite Metallica period.  :justjen
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 03, 2016, 11:11:11 PM
425 and "check it out on Spotify" are those two things that don't really go well together. :lol

LOL, accurate. But seriously, while I may check it out at some point, I just really don't care about covers. When I'm watching a Metallica live video/listening to a Metallica live album and they go into one of the covers, I always find myself thinking "okay, can we get past this and play a real Metallica song?"


I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.

Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??

Yes. Outtakes from the time after the band had actually learned how to write songs > unpolished album of thrashy riffs, screechy vocals and lyrics about killing people with rock music.

That's probably too harsh a description of KEA, but I really think it's just an okay album. Nothing special if you take away the context that the band took the best aspects of what they were doing at that time and developed them way more in the future. It's certainly not anything I would ever listen to outside of maybe The Four Horsemen if I didn't like their other stuff. Death Magnetic is a really good album, and while its outtakes are deservedly outtakes, they are fully composed songs that have musical and lyrical depth, and have decent vocal performances. Which places them ahead of at least half the tracks on KEA. Yeah, The Four Horsemen is better than those four tracks. Maybe Seek and Destroy and Phantom Lord, too. But that's probably about it.

Also I don't like thrash.



Least Favorite Tracks on Each Album:
1. Motorbreath (what a bland song)
2. Ride the Lightning (Escape is good fite me)
3. Battery (I don't like thrash)
4. The Shortest Straw (I don't like thrash)
5. Holier Than Thou
6. Wasting My Hate (why)
7. Better Than You (why x2)
8. My World (why x3)
9. My Apocalypse (guess why)
10. Hate Train (this has nothing special)
11. Hardwired (I don't like thrash)

I'm exaggerating how much I don't like thrash—I actually think Battery, The Shortest Straw and My Apocalypse are pretty good songs. But it's safe to say that Metallica's thrashy side is my least favorite side of them, so when it comes down to picking my least favorite songs on pretty consistent albums, guess what I'm going for?

On this list, I only actually think Better Than You and My World are bad songs. I think Motorbreath, Wasting My Hate, Hate Train (basically stop naming songs "hate"—also "my") and Hardwired are pretty bland (and Motorbreath's drug references and mumbly vocal melodies make me less keen on it). The other ones I actually like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 03, 2016, 11:49:33 PM
425 and "check it out on Spotify" are those two things that don't really go well together. :lol

LOL, accurate. But seriously, while I may check it out at some point, I just really don't care about covers. When I'm watching a Metallica live video/listening to a Metallica live album and they go into one of the covers, I always find myself thinking "okay, can we get past this and play a real Metallica song?"


I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.

Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??

Yes. Outtakes from the time after the band had actually learned how to write songs > unpolished album of thrashy riffs, screechy vocals and lyrics about killing people with rock music.

That's probably too harsh a description of KEA, but I really think it's just an okay album. Nothing special if you take away the context that the band took the best aspects of what they were doing at that time and developed them way more in the future. It's certainly not anything I would ever listen to outside of maybe The Four Horsemen if I didn't like their other stuff. Death Magnetic is a really good album, and while its outtakes are deservedly outtakes, they are fully composed songs that have musical and lyrical depth, and have decent vocal performances. Which places them ahead of at least half the tracks on KEA. Yeah, The Four Horsemen is better than those four tracks. Maybe Seek and Destroy and Phantom Lord, too. But that's probably about it.

Also I don't like thrash.



Least Favorite Tracks on Each Album:
1. Motorbreath (what a bland song)
2. Ride the Lightning (Escape is good fite me)
3. Battery (I don't like thrash)
4. The Shortest Straw (I don't like thrash)
5. Holier Than Thou
6. Wasting My Hate (why)
7. Better Than You (why x2)
8. My World (why x3)
9. My Apocalypse (guess why)
10. Hate Train (this has nothing special)
11. Hardwired (I don't like thrash)

I'm exaggerating how much I don't like thrash—I actually think Battery, The Shortest Straw and My Apocalypse are pretty good songs. But it's safe to say that Metallica's thrashy side is my least favorite side of them, so when it comes down to picking my least favorite songs on pretty consistent albums, guess what I'm going for?

On this list, I only actually think Better Than You and My World are bad songs. I think Motorbreath, Wasting My Hate, Hate Train (basically stop naming songs "hate"—also "my") and Hardwired are pretty bland (and Motorbreath's drug references and mumbly vocal melodies make me less keen on it). The other ones I actually like.

Ride the Lightning being your least favorite song = spectacular fail

EDIT: I know it's all opinion, just giving you shit lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 03, 2016, 11:59:57 PM
To be fair, RTL is one of those albums where I think all the songs are very good and it's hard to pick a "least favorite" (keeping in mind that unlike most I actually think Escape is a really good song). The main reason I pick Ride the Lightning is because I'm not a huge fan of the vocal melodies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on September 04, 2016, 02:42:44 AM
It just sucks that Garage Inc is most of the time represented in live shows by one of the worst songs Metallica has ever done: Whiskey in the Jar. wow, I hate that song so much.

The album is definitely worth a try, some absolute gold on there like Turn the Page (Bob Seger) and Astronomy (Blue Öyster Cult)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 04, 2016, 03:15:08 AM
It just sucks that Garage Inc is most of the time represented in live shows by one of the worst songs Metallica has ever done: Whiskey in the Jar. wow, I hate that song so much.

The album is definitely worth a try, some absolute gold on there like Turn the Page (Bob Seger) and Astronomy (Blue Öyster Cult)

And of course the amazing Mercyful Fate medley!! One of my all time faves. I find Whiskey overrated too if I'm honest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2016, 09:52:06 AM
It just sucks that Garage Inc is most of the time represented in live shows by one of the worst songs Metallica has ever done: Whiskey in the Jar. wow, I hate that song so much.

The album is definitely worth a try, some absolute gold on there like Turn the Page (Bob Seger) and Astronomy (Blue Öyster Cult)

My fave thing on Garage Inc is " The More I See ". It's heavy as fuck and awesome.

Plus Turn The Page of course, It's Electric.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 04, 2016, 10:00:27 AM
Garage, Inc. has a lot of awesome stuff. I don't really like the Motörhead covers that much, but most of them are all right. But Metallica really are very good at covers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 04, 2016, 10:58:45 AM
As much as I can't stand medleys, their Mercyful Fate medley is outstanding.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on September 04, 2016, 03:25:38 PM
I'm doing a favorite studio albums list because I'm bored and on a Metallica kick.

1. Master of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride the Lightning
4. Load
5. ...And Justice For All
(Garage Inc.)
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Re-Load
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic

I used to rate AJFA much higher and 'One' is definitely a top 3 Metallica song for me, maybe their best. But I revisited it and I realized that a lot of songs sound very samey. Nothing really sticks with me besides 'Blackened', 'One' and 'To Live is to Die'. The complexity was groundbreaking for the band, but the songs feel overly long and contrived. They were right on the money with TBA having hookier songs and just more groove-oriented IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Death Magnetic worse than St. Anger ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
Death Magnetic worse than St. Anger ?

That's a tough one for me since those are my bottom two anyway, but depending on the day, I might put DM below St. Anger. At least there was an authenticity behind St. Anger, granted it was an authentic sense of confusion but still. DM is just hollow and empty to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2016, 03:45:14 PM
DM is harder to listen to for the clipping but the songwriting is just far better on DM.

SA is brutal and honest but vert repetitive. There is a kind of dishonesty in the cut and paste arranging but there is a fucking fire in their bellies.

DM may have been looking backwards but I think it was a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 04, 2016, 04:51:26 PM
Ride The Lightning
Master Of Puppets
Metallica

...And Justice For All
Kill 'Em All
Load
Reload
Death Magnetic




St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2016, 05:30:59 PM
This is actually a really cool video. Dude made a demo to show what (instrumental parts) of Hardwired would have sounded like with the recording and tones of their first few albums.

Makes me realize how much I don't really dig the new Metallica guitar tones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE2rgWFAO2A
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 04, 2016, 05:40:29 PM
This is actually a really cool video. Dude made a demo to show what (instrumental parts) of Hardwired would have sounded like with the recording and tones of their first few albums.

Makes me realize how much I don't really dig the new Metallica guitar tones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE2rgWFAO2A
Cool video :tup
RtL tone is especially on point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on September 04, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Yes, St. Anger above Death Magnetic. Even though Death Magnetic was a step in the right direction. I would even agree that Death Magnetic has better music on it. But somehow I still give the edge to St. Anger, simply because of how brutally daring and different that one was at the time. Death Magnetic is basically Metallica going back to their older style, but just less good than they used to be. I don't really get excited by that approach.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on September 04, 2016, 05:48:47 PM


1. Master of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride the Lightning
4. Load
5. ...And Justice For All
(Garage Inc.)
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Re-Load
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic

I used to rate AJFA much higher and 'One' is definitely a top 3 Metallica song for me, maybe their best. But I revisited it and I realized that a lot of songs sound very samey. Nothing really sticks with me besides 'Blackened', 'One' and 'To Live is to Die'. The complexity was groundbreaking for the band, but the songs feel overly long and contrived. They were right on the money with TBA having hookier songs and just more groove-oriented IMO.

Aside from having DM higher (about No 5) I agree with pretty much everything above.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 04, 2016, 06:36:28 PM
My ranking.

1: Master of Puppets
2: ...And Justice For All
3: Death Magnetic
4: Kill 'Em All
5: The Black Album
6: Ride the Lightning
7: ReLoad
8: St. Anger
9: Load
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on September 04, 2016, 07:49:14 PM
1. ...And Justice for All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4. The Black Album
5. Load
6. Reload
7. Death Magnetic
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2016, 07:53:07 PM
A new Metallica album is coming out and we're doing our 4th rank/list of the week?

-sigh-

1. ....And Justice for All
2. The Black Album
3. Master of Puppets
4. Load/Reload
5. Ride the Lightning
6. Kill em All
7. St. Anger
8. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 04, 2016, 07:56:41 PM
1. Ride the Lightning (probably my #1 album of all time)
2. Master of Puppets
3. The Black Album
4. S&M
5. ...And Justice for All
6. Garage Inc
7. Kill 'em All
8. Death Magnetic
9. Load
10. Reload
11. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 04, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
Album ranking? Okay. This is where I kill just all the sacred cows.

1. Ride the Lightning

2. The Black Album
3. Death Magnetic
4. ...And Justice for All

5. Load
6. Master of Puppets
7. Reload

8. Kill 'Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on September 04, 2016, 10:28:18 PM
1. Ride the Lightning
2. Master of Puppets
3. ...And Justice For All
4. Kill 'Em All


5. Death Magnetic
6. St. Anger
7. The Black Album
8. Load/Reload
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on September 05, 2016, 04:32:20 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. ...And Justice for All

4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica


6. Kill 'em All



7. Load
8. Reload




9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on September 05, 2016, 04:40:09 AM
1. ....And Justice for All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Load
4. Ride the lightning
5. Black Album
6. Kill 'em all
7. Reload
8. Death Magnetic




9. St. Anger






10. Lulu
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 05, 2016, 06:57:59 AM
It's that time again, is it?!

1. ...And Justice for All
2. Load
3. Master of Puppets
4. Metallica
5. Death Magnetic
6. Ride the Lightning /
=. Reload
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dave_Manchester on September 05, 2016, 07:30:52 AM
Masterpieces: 1) Master of Puppets, 2) And Justice For All, 3) Load, 4) Ride The Lightning

Great: 5) Reload

Decent: 6) The Black Album, 7) Death Magnetic

Not keen on: 8) Kill Em All, 9) St Anger

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 07:36:28 AM
1. Kill 'Em All
2. Justice
3. Master Of Puppets
4. Ride The Lightning
5. The Black Album
6. Death Magnetic



7. Load











8. St. Anger

9. Reload
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 05, 2016, 07:42:42 AM
Load (the most consistent and varied album, and yes, I'm serious)
The Black Album (heavy but without much of the bloated stuff of the previous albums)
Master Of Puppets (half absolute classic, half nearly forgettable)
Ride The Lightning (good but not that great)
.
And Justice For All (with better production it might be higher, but not much)
.
.
.
Kill 'em All (I like the raw energy but not most of the songs)
Death Magnetic (some decent songs but most are too long and bloated)
.
.
ReLoad (clearly the leftovers, one or two good tracks)
.
.
.
St. Anger (just no)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 05, 2016, 07:42:57 AM
Again? Really? Ok...........

1. The Black Album
2. And Justice For All (although I can't really listen to it any more because of the production)
3. Kill 'em All
4. Master Of Puppets

5. Load
6. Ride The Lightning
7. Reload
8. Death Magnetic



9. St. Anger


I'm splitting hairs to separate AJFA/KEA/MOP, because they're all so damn good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2016, 07:46:47 AM
Too easy...

1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Metallica
4. ...And Justice for All
5. Load
6. Death Magnetic
7. ReLoad
8. Kill' Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 07:56:27 AM
Blob, glad to see you rate KEA so high. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 05, 2016, 08:12:08 AM
2. And Justice For All (although I can't really listen to it any more because of the production)
Have you heard the Mastered for iTunes version? I think it sounds much better, but I've not done a proper side-by-side comparison so I can't tell whether I've just got so used to the original production and love the songs so much that actually it could be barely different. It's obviously the same mix so you still can't really hear the bass guitar, but the EQ of the master feels quite different and much fuller to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2016, 08:19:18 AM
1. The Black Album
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Master Of Puppets
4. ...And Justice For All
5. Load
6. Death Magnetic
7. Kill 'Em All
8. ReLoad
9. St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 05, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
2. And Justice For All (although I can't really listen to it any more because of the production)
Have you heard the Mastered for iTunes version? I think it sounds much better, but I've not done a proper side-by-side comparison so I can't tell whether I've just got so used to the original production and love the songs so much that actually it could be barely different. It's obviously the same mix so you still can't really hear the bass guitar, but the EQ of the master feels quite different and much fuller to me.

I don't recall that I have yet. I won't be satisfied until if/when we ever get a proper remix, but anything that makes the album sound better is worth a listen. :tup


Blob, glad to see you rate KEA so high. :tup

I've really gotten back into it lately, it's just a really solid listen. It doesn't have the complexity, originality or melody of later albums, but there's just something about the raw energy of the album that keeps bringing me back to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 08:40:52 AM
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 08:41:28 AM
"Reload clearly the leftovers "

That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.

Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 05, 2016, 08:42:51 AM
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.

I agree. I totally get that people don't rate it nearly as highly as the other thrash era albums and TBA, because those are all amazing albums with a lot more to them, but even that aside it doesn't seem to get a lot of love.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 08:51:49 AM
It's funny because I thought Kev's thread about the similar arcs of Queensryche and Metallica were dead on. I also feel like Warning also suffers from the KEA treatment.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
Reload has Wild Things. Unforgiven II. Fixxxer. Carpe Diem.


Clearly all the leftovers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 05, 2016, 09:10:03 AM
Ok, you already made your post on that. :chill
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
Ok I'll go post in the Metallica thread....oh .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2016, 10:07:35 AM
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.

Speaking only for myself, I don't rate it that high because I am not a fan of trash or speed metal, by and large.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on September 05, 2016, 10:16:42 AM
"Reload clearly the leftovers "

That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.

Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.

I quite like all three of those, especially Ronnie. So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 05, 2016, 10:45:29 AM
1. Ride The Lightning
2. Master of Puppets
3. The Black Album
4. ...And Justice For All
5. Load / Reload (can't decide. Both are a mix of good and forgettable. I might give the edge to Reload though. Maybe.)
6. Death Magnetic
7. Kill 'Em All
8. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
"Reload clearly the leftovers "

That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.

Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.

I quite like all three of those, especially Ronnie. So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn


Conveniently ignored my other post where I name at least 4 great songs on Reload :hat

cool story bro.


The old " it's filler becasue I don't like it " angle.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2016, 12:14:17 PM
  So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn

Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 12:36:18 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Oh do grow up.

' I don't like this so nobody else must :angry: "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 12:37:10 PM
  So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn

Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality.  :tup :tup

They started recording them at the same time as Load. All the drum tracks on Reload were recorded in the same session.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Oh do grow up.

' I don't like this so nobody else must :angry: "

Nobody said that you aren't allowed to like it. He's just giving an opinion. He's right, though.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/aZRZNJTx8sbBu/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 05, 2016, 12:46:27 PM
That has to be the weirdest Robert Carlyle gif yet, I barely even recognize him!



Also, Reload is mostly awesome. Anyone who disagrees.....is also cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 12:53:23 PM
That has to be the weirdest Robert Carlyle gif yet, I barely even recognize him!


(https://www.ocm.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/040416-rumplefakeshock-OCM.gif)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 12:54:12 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Oh do grow up.
 

Unfortunately, I'm all grown up.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 01:01:33 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/55/27/6a/55276a3d45c520c4221d5de7b382ed36.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 05, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.


@Kotowboy: I sort of like Ronnie in a weird way, though I'd agree it's in the bottom ten songs from the era. Carpe Diem Baby, however, is something I cannot get into. Really dislike it. However, Fixxxer, Wild Things and Unforgiven II are all superb.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 01:10:02 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.


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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
What??
Hit The Lights
Phantom Lord
Seek & Destroy
Four Horseman
Metal Militia
Whiplash

425, we are not a match!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 01:13:22 PM
Seriously. Hell, the No Life Till Leather demos are better than Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 01:14:17 PM
Thank you young child.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.




It does. And it doesn't have an ego stroking bass solo as a song.

Do you really think that all 10 songs on Kill Em All are Metallica Classics ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 01:36:57 PM
No but I just named 6 of them a few posts up. Reload has Fuel. That's it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 01:41:33 PM
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.

Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.




It does. And it doesn't have an ego stroking bass solo as a song.

Do you really think that all 10 songs on Kill Em All are Metallica Classics ?

Do you really think any of the songs on Reload are Metallica classics?


Thank you young child.

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 01:48:53 PM
Do you really think any of the songs on Reload are Metallica classics?

I consider Fuel a Metallica Classic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 05, 2016, 01:50:35 PM
Arguably, yes. It's actually a good song.

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 01:52:36 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 01:56:25 PM
Do you really think any of the songs on Reload are Metallica classics?





No but that wasn't the point.

It was are there more great songs on Reload than Kill ?

Not is every song on Reload a classic.

If there are arguably 6 GREAT Metallica songs on Kill and 7 GREAT Metallica songs on Reload then it wins. But it's all subjective anyway...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 05, 2016, 02:25:57 PM
I've always loved Kill 'em All. I actually thought it was more widely loved than it appears to be, judging by some of you guys rankings. It's a bit rough around the edges but lots of the thrash 'classics' sound similar. Just a sign of the times I guess.

They'd refined their sound by Ride but as a debut I love it. The Four Horsemen is great and one of my all time faves, plus Anaesthesia (Pulling Teeth)  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 05, 2016, 02:30:02 PM
Reload is nowhere near Kill 'Em All but it is a really good album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 02:58:38 PM
Reload is nowhere near Kill 'Em All but it is a really good album.

 ;D
OK, I'm done. Can you guys name one song off of Reload that I should listen to? First track that gets 3 mentions will be the one. Apparently I'm missing something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on September 05, 2016, 03:02:00 PM
I really really like Fixxxer, but I don't think that it'll be your thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 03:05:50 PM
I'm also familiar with The Memory Remains, so that doesn't count. That's not a bad song, and usually gets a good reaction live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 05, 2016, 03:10:32 PM
I love Fixxxer. One of the few songs past Track 4 that I would say are worth listening to. I also like Bad Seed (groovy little song), Where The Wild Things Are (this was a grower for me for sure), and Low Man's Lyric (although I would never argue it's a great Metallica song, it's definitely a great song)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 03:12:00 PM
OK, that's two for Fixxer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2016, 03:19:59 PM
1. Fixxxer

2. Carpe Diem Baby

3. Where The Wild Things Are



Listen to those 3 and you'll want to hear the rest. I guarantee it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on September 05, 2016, 03:22:33 PM
Wow, I'm really curious what TAC thinks of Fixxxer.

TAC, if you don't like Fixxxer, then I doubt that ReLoad has much has to offer that you might like. Maybe Low Man's Lyrics, which feels - at least in my opinion - very different to anything that Metallica has ever done, before or since, but that's probably it; Fixxxer exemplifies what's good about the Load/ReLoad sound in my opinion, so if it bores you, chances are the rest of ReLoad will too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on September 05, 2016, 03:25:49 PM
"Reload clearly the leftovers "

That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.

Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.

I quit listening to Metallica 9years&9months ago. (Who's counting, right?)
(And finally got my 'talli-tat removed a couple years ago).
While spinning Destrage and contemplating life on my drive home the other night, I considered the idea of revisiting the band. But mostly just for Load/Reload. And especially just for the fun that is Ronnie & Poor Twisted Me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2016, 03:50:45 PM
OK..just spun Fixxer. Definitely better than I remembered. A cool Sabbath feel, if not a bit draggy.



But even on Death Magnetic, it'd still rank about 9th.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 05, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
Reload is nowhere near Kill 'Em All but it is a really good album.

 ;D
OK, I'm done. Can you guys name one song off of Reload that I should listen to? First track that gets 3 mentions will be the one. Apparently I'm missing something.

Fixxxer and Carpe Diem Baby are the highlights for me
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on September 05, 2016, 09:16:01 PM
After revisiting Reload a bit, I think I need to lower it in my rankings. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 05, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
Fixxxer alone is better than all of KEA.

The Unforgiven II alone is better than all of KEA.

Where the Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric, The Memory Remains—any of these alone are better than all of KEA.


TAC, I'd say exactly one of the songs you listed is even anywhere near to being a great song—The Four Horsemen. That one would rate 6th on Reload for me.

The other ones you listed are good, but nowhere near great. Those would rate below the aforementioned five plus Fuel on Reload. Most if not all of them would rate below Devil's Dance. Some would rate below Slither Some would not. Let's try this:

Fixxxer
Low Man's Lyric
The Unforgiven II
Where the Wild Things Are
The Memory Remains
The Four Horsemen
Fuel
Devil's Dance
Seek and Destroy
Phantom Lord
Slither
Metal Militia
Hit the Lights
Whiplash

This seems about right to me. I also rank Jump in the Fire and maybe No Remorse ahead of Metal Militia.

And should serve to emphasize a few things about my Metallica tastes:

The Load era is my favorite era of Metallica.

I do not think Kill 'Em All is a particularly strong album.

I do not particularly care for thrash.

TAC and I are not a match. Beyond thrash/not-thrash, the big difference maker is that TAC seems to like the classic metal stuff best, while I like the experimental stuff best. I like Metallica very best when they're not being what we expect Metallica to be. And I like them least when they're doing what I would consider basic thrash.

P.S.: I would rate all of The Black Album and Death Magnetic ahead of all of Kill 'Em All save The Four Horsemen.


EDIT: I'm listening to Reload right now and I like Prince Charming more than I remember. It's certainly good enough to potentially rival Whiplash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 06, 2016, 12:08:11 AM
#1: The Four Horsemen
#2: No Remorse
#3: Where The Wild Things Are
#4: Hit The Lights
#5: Phantom Lord
#6: Seek & Destroy
#7: Fuel
#8: Low Man's Lyric
#9: Jump In The Fire
10: Motorbreath
11: Fixxxer
12: Devil's Dance
13: Metal Militia
14: Prince Charming
15: Anesthesia
16: The Memory Remains
17: Attitude
18: Whiplash
19: Better Than You
20: Carpe Diem Baby
21: The Unforgiven II
22: Slither
23: Bad Seed
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 06, 2016, 12:12:28 AM
"Reload clearly the leftovers "

That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.

Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.

Cure is the only song I actually dislike on Load, while ReLoad has four or five songs that are worth listening to, the rest is simply bland and forgettable.

Re: Kill 'em All
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.

I recognize and appreciate the influence this album had and I like the raw energy of it, but the songs mostly don't work for me. Maybe it would have been different if I heard KEA at the time when it came out. I came to know Metallica with Master Of Puppets and then made my way backwards.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 06, 2016, 01:54:02 AM
"Reload clearly the leftovers "

That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.

Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.

Cure is the only song I actually dislike on Load, while ReLoad has four or five songs that are worth listening to, the rest is simply bland and forgettable.

Re: Kill 'em All
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.

I recognize and appreciate the influence this album had and I like the raw energy of it, but the songs mostly don't work for me. Maybe it would have been different if I heard KEA at the time when it came out. I came to know Metallica with Master Of Puppets and then made my way backwards.
I basically agree with all of this. Even Cure has a really awesome riff, it's just a rubbish song once the vocal sections come in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 06, 2016, 02:15:15 AM
I actually kinda like Cure :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 06, 2016, 02:22:35 AM
I think the vast difference in these albums were the short(er) songs and the melodic way of singing of Hetfield that surprised the hell out of me. Never expected him to lay such emotion in his vocals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 06, 2016, 02:36:37 AM
Speaking of Reload...

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 06, 2016, 02:42:14 AM
NUGGETZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!

or in b4 bad omens  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 06, 2016, 02:53:43 AM
:lol The first single was already a pretty bad omen. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on September 06, 2016, 04:04:52 AM
  So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn

Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality.  :tup :tup

Hehe!

There is a very angwy person posting in this thread but I can't understand why he appears to be taking it all so personally :lol

As far as Reload track recommendations go, I really like Low Man's Lyric. It's so different for Metallica, perhaps it's a hint of what a James Hetfield solo album would sound like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 06, 2016, 05:24:59 AM
Fixxxer alone is better than all of KEA.

The Unforgiven II alone is better than all of KEA.

Where the Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric, The Memory Remains—any of these alone are better than all of KEA.


TAC, I'd say exactly one of the songs you listed is even anywhere near to being a great song—The Four Horsemen. That one would rate 6th on Reload for me.

The other ones you listed are good, but nowhere near great. Those would rate below the aforementioned five plus Fuel on Reload. Most if not all of them would rate below Devil's Dance. Some would rate below Slither Some would not. Let's try this:

Fixxxer
Low Man's Lyric
The Unforgiven II
Where the Wild Things Are
The Memory Remains
The Four Horsemen
Fuel
Devil's Dance
Seek and Destroy
Phantom Lord
Slither
Metal Militia
Hit the Lights
Whiplash

This seems about right to me. I also rank Jump in the Fire and maybe No Remorse ahead of Metal Militia.

And should serve to emphasize a few things about my Metallica tastes:

The Load era is my favorite era of Metallica.

I do not think Kill 'Em All is a particularly strong album.

I do not particularly care for thrash.

TAC and I are not a match. Beyond thrash/not-thrash, the big difference maker is that TAC seems to like the classic metal stuff best, while I like the experimental stuff best. I like Metallica very best when they're not being what we expect Metallica to be. And I like them least when they're doing what I would consider basic thrash.

P.S.: I would rate all of The Black Album and Death Magnetic ahead of all of Kill 'Em All save The Four Horsemen.


EDIT: I'm listening to Reload right now and I like Prince Charming more than I remember. It's certainly good enough to potentially rival Whiplash.

I can't believe you spent that much of your time defending a poor album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 06, 2016, 05:32:54 AM
  So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn

Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality.  :tup :tup

Hehe!

There is a very angwy person posting in this thread but I can't understand why he appears to be taking it all so personally :lol

Yeah TAC, we've had enough of your shit








:splodetard:

imjustkiddingplzdontban
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 06, 2016, 06:15:11 AM
Quote
I can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.


He wasn't defending Kill Em All.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 06, 2016, 06:23:08 AM
This page is giving me cancer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 06, 2016, 06:25:04 AM
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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 06, 2016, 09:14:53 AM
Every Metallica album has something about it that makes it great. It's kind of silly to me that everyon is arguing over two albums in the band's discography when the simple answer is that they're both awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on September 06, 2016, 11:48:05 AM
Every Metallica album has something about it that makes it great. It's kind of silly to me that everyon is arguing over two albums in the band's discography when the simple answer is that they're both awesome.

That doesn't seem to be the general consensus. Load/Reload is widely regarded as pretty meh and St. Anger thought of as one of the worst well-known albums in metal. Both of which I agreed with last time I listened to them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 06, 2016, 09:22:50 PM
Quote
I can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.


He wasn't defending Kill Em All.

A+ post right here.

Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 06, 2016, 09:47:09 PM
Quote
I can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.


He wasn't defending Kill Em All.

A+ post right here.

Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.
So it took 9 minutes and 59 seconds to write then?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 06, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Seriously guys.....there's a new Metallica album coming out. We even have a track list.


And THIS is the discussion we're having? FOR SHAME.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 06, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.
So it took 9 minutes and 59 seconds to write then?

Exactly. I set a timer before writing each and every one of my posts. In case you're curious, this one took exactly 49 seconds.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 06, 2016, 09:57:07 PM
Seriously guys.....there's a new Metallica album coming out. We even have a track list.


And THIS is the discussion we're having? FOR SHAME.

Okay. I don't like the track titles on the new album for the most part. ManUNkind is particularly bad. Some of the titles plus the lyrics on Hardwired also suggest a KEA direction lyrically, which I would really not like to have. I'm particularly apprehensive about the last three. I also don't like that Am I Savage? is an obvious reference to Am I Evil?

The only track title I really like is Halo on Fire. That one is a good title, and I hope it turns out to be a good song. Atlas, Rise! could be good or cheesy depending on what the actual lyrics are to that one.

Overall, judging on the single, artwork and tracklist, this album looks very much like not my thing. It feels like they're trying to recapture a lot of the KEA vibe and image which is A) a weird thing for a band consisting of guys in their 50s to do and B) something I do not want because, as has been established, that's one of my least favorite albums in band history. I am not excited about the prospects of this album at all. But since Metallica is one of my favorite bands, and I did enjoy their last studio album, I will be getting this one and giving it a fair shake—as I have done for all their albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 06, 2016, 10:06:28 PM
I agree with most of that, except that I didn't like the last album.

I've noticed Hetfield really lost his lyric writing abilities in the past few albums. The dude used to write some really great songs lyrically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 06, 2016, 10:37:15 PM
I agree that Am I Savage? is too similar to Am I Evil? But all the other titles are original and badass IMO
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 06, 2016, 10:40:28 PM
Lyrically, I'd say Het went downhill hard on St. Anger (though to be fair, some of that, like "MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE," can be blamed on Kirk or Lars). The decline to there from the Loads is actually rather shocking, in my opinion. The Loads have some of my favorite Metallica lyrics, and SA is just not good in that department. From SA to DM he definitely took somewhat of a step up, though I don't think he nearly reached back up to the level of lyrical quality on RTL-RL.

At least with DM, though, the lyrics are pretty inoffensive. A majority of the songs are just generic metal imagery that is neither notably good nor notably bad. Some of them seem personal, yes, but it's hard to get much out of them. Usually you can tell what he's singing about but don't really get anything too compelling out of it. At best you get a clever turn of phrase ("Like a poison / That I swallow / But I want the world to die") and at worst you get a line that sounds like it means nothing ("Reaper... butchery / Karma amputee") or is a bit cheesy ("love is a four letter word").

I do think The Unforgiven III has some nice lyrics, but not as good as the first two.

I do worry that he's going to take whatever lack of inspiration he has lyrically and just go for gratuitous violent imagery or profanity for the sake of being "metal." I really don't like that at all, and it does seem like a direction that is possible based on Hardwired and some of the song titles ("Murder One"? Yikes).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 06, 2016, 10:42:46 PM
I actually kinda like Cure :p

Then it's pretty much just you and me for the 17 years I've been on the internet, through MIRC days to MSN to forums to fb, just you and me :lol
Load was my first tallica album, I bought it a month after Until It Sleeps video premiered on MTV Europe. I was not a rock music kinda kid and my first take after going through the album was Until It Sleeps and Cure were the best songs on it. I was 14. Since then I kept liking Cure but there's at least 4 songs on Load that I liked better as the years went on.
Cure for me was the essence of Load for better or for worse, the vibe of the song is exactly the vibe I get from the front and back cover of the album, that ugly mix of blood, cum and cigar smoke. Back then I had a dream of Cure music video, centered around that picture on the back of the album being in the back room of a church and alternating with them playing in the main hall of the church as people came in to pray individually.
I've always loved the verses with Hetfield spoken word underneath his singing of the same words. The main riff was simple and fun to play so it was one of the very first things I learned on guitar back in the day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 06, 2016, 10:54:55 PM
Lyrically, I'd say Het went downhill hard on St. Anger (though to be fair, some of that, like "MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE," can be blamed on Kirk or Lars).

I agree but the main thing that stuck with me of how poor the album was in lyrics is the fact that St. Anger's first verse and second verse are the same words.. when I first heard the song I thought it was a demo heh, seriously. Revisiting St. Anger now the whole thing feels like a demo, some ideas that you can take to the studio and work on making them into songs, only they just released them that way, cause they thought it was very metal and "raw"..

At least with DM, though, the lyrics are pretty inoffensive. A majority of the songs are just generic metal imagery that is neither notably good nor notably bad. Some of them seem personal, yes, but it's hard to get much out of them. Usually you can tell what he's singing about but don't really get anything too compelling out of it. At best you get a clever turn of phrase ("Like a poison / That I swallow / But I want the world to die") and at worst you get a line that sounds like it means nothing ("Reaper... butchery / Karma amputee") or is a bit cheesy ("love is a four letter word").

I agree again, but I still liked the lyrics on DM, generic metal lyrics is better than St. Anger lyrics.
But also I think it's very unfair to compare troubled, violent drunk, "I can't hear you motherfuckers!" pre-rehab Hetfield to the sober, well adjusted, take the kids to school, wo't sing So What again, can only tour 2 weeks at a time, "You're the Metallica family" happy Hetfield. It's not the same guy and I personally don't compare them as such.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 06, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
Quote
I can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.


He wasn't defending Kill Em All.

A+ post right here.

Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.

9:58?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 06, 2016, 11:35:02 PM
9:56.

I agree again, but I still liked the lyrics on DM, generic metal lyrics is better than St. Anger lyrics.
But also I think it's very unfair to compare troubled, violent drunk, "I can't hear you motherfuckers!" pre-rehab Hetfield to the sober, well adjusted, take the kids to school, wo't sing So What again, can only tour 2 weeks at a time, "You're the Metallica family" happy Hetfield. It's not the same guy and I personally don't compare them as such.

Completely agree. And I think this a good case for why he shouldn't try to go back to writing some form of immature, violent lyrics for the new album.

I also agree that St. Anger feels like a demo. I think it's a demo that has some good ideas that could have been fleshed out a lot more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 07, 2016, 12:00:44 AM
And I think this a good case for why he shouldn't try to go back to writing some form of immature, violent lyrics for the new album.

But you see that's what his old guy mind is telling him the fans want :lol, that "place" where his pre-stanger lyrics came from, is gone now IMO. And I don't blame him for it, all good things come to an end.
I love Hetfield and that's not really me bashing him, I'm glad he's happy, for all the music and inspiration he has given me through the years. For me to see or to hear Metallica now is to experience the greatest Metallica tribute band available, not quiet Metallica but the best you can get cause the other thing is gone, of natural causes. I hold no contempt against them for the decline and I'm glad they're still out there in whatever form they find comfortable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 07, 2016, 05:53:42 AM
Jason Newsted & The Chophouse Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTo3HF976hg&feature=youtu.be)

Pretty cool stuff, like his voice. I liked his Newstedt stuff so i'm not surprised but still, cool hearing him sing stuff like this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 07, 2016, 06:45:46 AM
Completely agree. And I think this a good case for why he shouldn't try to go back to writing some form of immature, violent lyrics for the new album.

I agree that people shouldn't expect the same type of lyrics from Het that he pushed out 20 years ago. He's in a completely different place in life.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on September 08, 2016, 04:14:03 PM
I've actually warmed up a bit to Hardwired. I dig the production, I just hope they'll slow down a bit and let the music breathe in places on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 08, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
Jason Newsted & The Chophouse Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTo3HF976hg&feature=youtu.be)

Pretty cool stuff, like his voice. I liked his Newstedt stuff so i'm not surprised but still, cool hearing him sing stuff like this.
Oh, that's awesome!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 08, 2016, 11:21:24 PM
Jason Newsted & The Chophouse Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTo3HF976hg&feature=youtu.be)

Pretty cool stuff, like his voice. I liked his Newstedt stuff so i'm not surprised but still, cool hearing him sing stuff like this.

I heard his new interview with Eddie Trunk. I love Newsted and wish he never left but he's been a mess since he left Metallica IMO, all over the place, keeps starting or joining projects and then quitting then goes on to the next thing, I hope this new thing works out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 09, 2016, 02:28:06 AM
^^ I honestly felt like Newsted's solo band back around 2013 had some good traction and, whilst it probably wouldn't have any big-time success in today's modern age, it would have had its place in the metal world, especially if they are touring with Megadeth.  Apparently, them having problems with the Soundwave promoter (the festival in Australia) was the factor that put the nail in the coffin in that one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2016, 02:29:17 AM
I thought the NEWSTED album was generic as fuck and really badly produced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 09, 2016, 05:24:47 AM
I thought the NEWSTED album was generic as fuck and really badly produced.

I never heard it but I will take your word on it and listen to The Astonishing instead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2016, 06:14:57 AM
I thought the NEWSTED album was generic as fuck and really badly produced.

I never heard it but I will take your word on it and listen to The Astonishing instead.

It's really not punchy at all. The tone is really weak and muddy. They would be good demoes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Prog Snob on September 09, 2016, 06:21:17 AM
So he picked up where St. Anger left off?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2016, 06:26:11 AM
And just dialled back the punch and treble. :lol


Check out "soldierhead" in YouTube.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2016, 08:02:57 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/lars_the_most_prominent_lyrical_theme_on_the_new_metallica_album.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/lars_the_most_prominent_lyrical_theme_on_the_new_metallica_album.html)

Discussing Metallica's upcoming album "Hardwired... To Self-Destruct" with Rolling Stone, Lars Ulrich singled out relationships as one of the record's focal lyrical points.

He said: "There's a lot of dark stuff about relationships. Not just with other people, but the hidden personalities within."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 09, 2016, 08:18:11 AM
I'm sure there is a decent drummer and a good lead guitarist hidden somewhere in Metallica, if only they would let them out  :biggrin:

But if this is true

Quote
"Most of the songs are simpler. We introduce a mood and we stick to it, rather than songs we've done where one riff happens and we go over here and then over there and becomes a journey through all these different soundscapes. The songs are more linear."

I find it more promising, hoping that means the songs aren't unnecessarily drawn out and bloated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2016, 10:05:27 AM
I find it hilarious when Blabbermouth gets what would be one sentence of news and pads it out with other recent news and slaps a new headline on it.


CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT THE SECRETS OF THE NEW METALLICA ALBUM !!!!


" Lars says it's about relationships...."

PARAGRAPH OF PREVIOUS METALLICA NEWS

SECOND PARAGRAPH OF SLIGHTLY OLDER METALLICA NEWS



And Lars has improved steadily over the years since 2004. His timing is a lot better these days. He still speeds up a bit but it's nowhere near as bad.

When they would play Breadfan recently and it comes to those "stabs" at the end of each verse - he would speed up at least 5 BPM when performing those hits.

He is a lot more even now and he very rarely badly messes up these days like he used to.

His playing on "Hardwired" is pretty damn good for a supposedly "shit" drummer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on September 10, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
Glad to hear he's improved, but there's no "supposedly" about it. For a very long time he was a shit drummer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2016, 06:08:51 AM
Mainly in the 2004 tour. But the whole band was shonky as hell on that tour.

James had zero grit in his voice. Lars was rushing all over the place. The band weren't tight at all.

Just one year before that - they were super tight and firing on all cylinders and they've never quite got back to that level.



Kirk's leads aside - they're all pretty good these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 12, 2016, 12:53:01 PM
Mainly in the 2004 tour. But the whole band was shonky as hell on that tour.

James had zero grit in his voice. Lars was rushing all over the place. The band weren't tight at all.

Just one year before that - they were super tight and firing on all cylinders and they've never quite got back to that level.



Kirk's leads aside - they're all pretty good these days.
Agreed. I recently watched a 2003 show on Youtube, don't remember exactly which one it was, and they were really really good there.
EDIT: Ah, it was the 2003 Rock am Ring show. Didn't watch the whole thing, but what I saw was awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
There's a show called " London Riverside Studios " and everything is mixed with zero reverb and it's tight as hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGwYiz1TiA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: King Postwhore on September 13, 2016, 05:25:06 PM
You're welcome.  :lol

https://youtu.be/N4pj7RByIeA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 13, 2016, 06:10:35 PM
Kids say the darndest things
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
There's a show called " London Riverside Studios " and everything is mixed with zero reverb and it's tight as hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGwYiz1TiA

Of course it sounds tight, the only things audible are guitars and hi hats. Those are the three things they're best at!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2016, 03:51:27 AM
ok
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on September 14, 2016, 10:24:53 AM
On the albums, does Kirk only record the solos and that's it? Or does he record other rhythm and lead parts? i

And another question, why did Kirk need all those riffs he recorded on his iPhone if he's not even a part of the writing process? Because it sure seems like his only role is coming in to record his solos and that's it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 14, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
On the albums, does Kirk only record the solos and that's it? Or does he record other rhythm and lead parts? i

I think from KEA through TBA album, James did all the rhythm and Kirk only did solos or other overdubs. For the Loads and St Anger, Kirk recorded rhythm parts. I believe DM was back to the original formula of James doing all the rhythm and Kirk just contributing solos and overdubs.

And another question, why did Kirk need all those riffs he recorded on his iPhone if he's not even a part of the writing process? Because it sure seems like his only role is coming in to record his solos and that's it.

I think now-a-days everyone in the band (Kirk and Rob included) bring ideas to the writing table and the band writes and jams on ideas together. In the old days, it used to just be James and Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 14, 2016, 12:38:45 PM
Kids playing metal is usually cute and funny but these guys and the energy they put out is legit fuckin awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woPv8RRYn3s



Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2016, 12:48:43 PM
Perfect ! The drummer even speeds up just like Lars!

Flawless !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 14, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
There's a show called " London Riverside Studios " and everything is mixed with zero reverb and it's tight as hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGwYiz1TiA

Of course it sounds tight, the only things audible are guitars and hi hats. Those are the three things they're best at!

And the vocals are super high up. They probably weren't able to do a broadcast mix at the time and were unable to re-mix after. Horrible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
https://metallica.com/blog/news/432106/hardwired-deluxe-sets-update

Hardwired...To Self Destruct is FINISHED !!!  :omg:

Also - they've binned off all the demoes from Disc 3 - and replaced them with a studio version of Lords of Summer, their covers of Remember Tomorrow, When A Blind Man Cries and their Ronnie

James Dio Medley.

Plus their gig from Record Store Day AND Hardwired live from Minneapolis.

:D

That's a pretty decent package I must say.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 15, 2016, 12:55:01 PM
Oh wow, that's cool.

I might have to get the 3CD deluxe package.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2016, 12:57:07 PM
Yeah the live version of Hardwired from Minneapolis and the Rasputin Record Store gig have been professionally mixed. They're

" not just the soundboards ".

- From the Metallica Club Admin.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on September 15, 2016, 01:15:25 PM
I didn't even know or, well, remember that Metallica covered Remember Tomorrow! but I do remember the Purple cover, which is simply amazing and really showcases James' voice.

This is a much better choice for a third disc!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2016, 01:16:56 PM
Remember Tomorrow was the first thing they recorded with Rob Trujillo.

It was a while ago now.

Interesting they didn't include the Kinks cover.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 15, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Remember Tomorrow was the first thing they recorded with Rob Trujillo.

It was a while ago now.

Interesting they didn't include the Kinks cover.

Actually, Remember Tomorrow came out in 2008, but the first recording with Trujillo was The Ecstacy of Gold from 2007 on the We All Love Ennio Morricone tribute. Too bad they left that one out on top of the Kinks tune.

**EDIT** Actually, on second thought, I've tracked down most of these covers already. I was looking forward to the demos, and I'm a little disappointed by the change in third disc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2016, 01:41:29 PM
I'm not. I don't care about demoes. It's basically the album again but worse quality.

I'd rather have a live gig and cover songs all one one disc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
The album proper running order has been slightly altered as well.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 15, 2016, 09:15:39 PM
I'm not. I don't care about demoes. It's basically the album again but worse quality.


Makes you wonder if they accidentally released the demos for Death Magnetic and just kind of went with it when the band couldn't tell the difference.


I always like Live Metallica, and I don't care about the demos unless they are markedly different.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 16, 2016, 06:26:11 AM
Does anyone know why HTSD isn't on preorder for Google Play yet? I'm not generally one to preorder albums, but the fact that it isn't there kinda confuses me a little.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on September 16, 2016, 08:53:56 AM
Yea I'd rather have the demos too.  Live Metallica....meh.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
It was a great gig. Lars was really good. Actually everyone was great except Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 10:20:46 AM
Love all the people actually whinging about the contents of Disc 3 when Metallics were in no way required to include a third disc.

:angry: We're getting a bonus disc of a load of live songs, covers and a 13th song recorded for the album but left off ?

Fuck You Metallica. That's not exactly what *I* Wanted !!!

Quote
After 8 years and we don't even get any NEW cover songs. So Lazy.

First World Problems :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 16, 2016, 10:33:19 AM
so giving an opinion is now considered whining? noted.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 16, 2016, 10:34:17 AM
Yeah, I think the new format for the third CD is cool. Besides, it's a deluxe version, you don't like it? Don't buy the deluxe version, just buy the regular two CD set.

Really hoping they release a full making-of movie like Making Magnetic. They released the behind the scenes stuff for the single, I'm hoping there's more where that came from.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 16, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
Love all the people actually whinging about the contents of Disc 3 when Metallics were in no way required to include a third disc.

:angry: We're getting a bonus disc of a load of live songs, covers and a 13th song recorded for the album but left off ?

Fuck You Metallica. That's not exactly what *I* Wanted !!!


While I am totally cool with what they're doing, this isn't as much a case of "It's not what I wanted" as "It's not what they originally promised". Since Metallica had already announced a different version of this and then went and changed it, it's reasonable some people just didn't like the change.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 10:37:57 AM
so giving an opinion is now considered whining? noted.

Nope.

Whining about getting something extra which is completely optional.

Like if The Astonishing had an entire third disc of cover songs and going " :angry: I don't like any of those songs...Not Buying the album "

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on September 16, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Will the third disc just end up increasing the price? This is generally why I don't like bonus discs. I don't listen to the bonus more than once if at all unless it's really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 16, 2016, 10:39:32 AM
Love all the people actually whinging about the contents of Disc 3 when Metallics were in no way required to include a third disc.

:angry: We're getting a bonus disc of a load of live songs, covers and a 13th song recorded for the album but left off ?

Fuck You Metallica. That's not exactly what *I* Wanted !!!


While I am totally cool with what they're doing, this isn't as much a case of "It's not what I wanted" as "It's not what they originally promised". Since Metallica had already announced a different version of this and then went and changed it, it's reasonable some people just didn't like the change.

They set up an expectation, then changed it. Had they announced this one originally, nobody would be complaining.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 10:41:55 AM
Will the third disc just end up increasing the price? This is generally why I don't like bonus discs. I don't listen to the bonus more than once if at all unless it's really good.

There is a 2 disc version and on Amazon - the 3 disc version is only £2 extra.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 16, 2016, 10:45:48 AM
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 10:50:30 AM
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup

100% But it's nice to get extras. They don't make the main album better or worse.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 16, 2016, 10:55:41 AM
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup

100% But it's nice to get extras. They don't make the main album better or worse.



Of course! I have nothing against the extras, and they're great if you like to have something more, they're just not a priority for me personally.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 16, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
so giving an opinion is now considered whining? noted.

Nope.

Whining about getting something extra which is completely optional.

Like if The Astonishing had an entire third disc of cover songs and going " :angry: I don't like any of those songs...Not Buying the album "

Not speaking for anyone else, but I never said I was not going to buy the album because I didn't like what the 3rd disc was. In fact, I'm still planning on buying the deluxe version. I expressed disappointment on the fact that they changed the third disc from demos to a live show and covers. I'm a demos guy, I loved Demo Magnetic. I love hearing the early lyrics and subtle differences in performance. I also love Metallica covers, and Metallica live. But the band has released a plethora of live material over the last 10 years or so, and all of these songs are available on those live releases. In fact, this show, if I'm not mistaken, is on livemetallica.com for download and is already available. The covers, as I've said, are also already available from various sources, and as previously discussed, there's one or two that are missing from the bunch. The demos for the new album are the only thing being discussed that is not available, and probably won't be at all at this point.

So, yeah, I'm disappointed. Not whining.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 16, 2016, 10:56:31 AM
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup

100% But it's nice to get extras. They don't make the main album better or worse.



Of course! I have nothing against the extras, and they're great if you like to have something more, they're just not a priority for me personally.

Why do you hate the new album already?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 11:03:57 AM

Of course! I have nothing against the extras, and they're great if you like to have something more, they're just not a priority for me personally.


These days I always go for any deluxe version of an album. But it seems bands aren't doing them as much or they're half arseing them.

Blood Mountain & Crack The Skye by Mastodon had a 90 minute making of and interviews DVD

The Hunter had a 5 minute making of...

Once More Round The Sun had nothing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2016, 11:04:53 AM

Why do you hate the new album already?

COZ ITS NOT SLAYERRR AMIRTE>>>  YEHHH SLAYERRRR GOTTA HAVE REIGN IN BLOOD FOR THE 15TH TIME  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 17, 2016, 04:15:51 PM
How "Hardwired" would sound like in the first 5 Metallica Albums? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE2rgWFAO2A)
Lovin' the KEA version. At a moment I was expecting 20-Year-Old James to start shouting
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 17, 2016, 04:38:24 PM
Ride sounds good but Justice and Black sound like a Line6 POD
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 17, 2016, 06:36:09 PM
Prediction: Atlas Rise will be over 9 minutes in length.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 18, 2016, 12:37:36 AM
Prediction: Atlas Rise will be over 9 minutes in length.

Idk why, but that's one of the titles I find most interesting.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 19, 2016, 04:17:05 AM
Ride sounds good but Justice and Black sound like a Line6 POD

Nobody will ever be able to replicate the sound of The Black Album. It's perfect production wise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 04:27:32 AM
Yep it's the perfect guitar tone recorded with the most expensive microphones - and not just one on the cab. Probably several.

With the amp placed in the perfect place in the room.

And as Bob Rock said - a Lot of EQ. Which surprised me because one of the things I learned on my music production course was - get the right sounds going to tape.

EQ-ing after recording is pretty much - not *bad* - but not encouraged.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 19, 2016, 04:32:15 AM
There's nothing wrong with EQ, it's necessary for a mix to sit right together. But an EQ shouldn't be to try and correct a bad recording, because you can't polish a turd. So it's right that the recording should be good to begin with, but having great sound on each individual track doesn't mean it will always sound great together.

Ride sounds good but Justice and Black sound like a Line6 POD

Nobody will ever be able to replicate the sound of The Black Album. It's perfect production wise.

And also this needs to be quoted again because it's the the truth.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 04:40:54 AM
Yes for instance you don't need loads of low freq on a bass guitar because it will clash with the low end of the guitar.

I think a lot of people think that a bassy guitar sound and lots of bass guitar will sound heavy but it just sounds muddy.


When my bro was a lot younger and was playing in a band - he would turn all the treble off the guitar and amp because he thought it was heavier...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 04:44:55 AM

Kirk is the most unreliable for how a new Metallica album sounds - saying Death Magnetic was heavily influenced by eastern scales. When there was like 2 songs which featured phrygian / harmonic

minor - y scales... Also he said St. Anger was like And Justice For All.


BUT - he says that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is less progressive than Death Magnetic and a lot more focused on grooves. Which is FINE by me.

James says there are still a couple of long songs - so hopefully they're not just long and repetitive for the sake of it and more like the song Master of Puppets - which is long but flows great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 19, 2016, 07:00:55 AM
BUT - he says that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is less progressive than Death Magnetic and a lot more focused on grooves. Which is FINE by me.

This would be a welcome approach IMO. Death Magnetic had some great moments, but I thought it was a little too all over the place. A lot of the songs would have benefited from sticking with an established groove a little longer rather than jarringly changing pace randomly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 09:25:21 AM
I thought Hardwired showed promise at least in the arrangement department.

If they can apply that level of precision to the longer songs - we might get a couple of Master of Puppets style long songs and less Invisible Kid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 19, 2016, 10:38:31 AM
I thought Hardwired showed promise at least in the arrangement department.

If they can apply that level of precision to the longer songs - we might get a couple of Master of Puppets style long songs and less Invisible Kid.

Invisible what?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 12:48:26 PM
CD 1:
1 Hardwired 3:09
2 Atlas, Rise! 06:28
3 Now That We're Dead 06:59
4 Moth Into Flame 05:50
5 Dream No More 06:29
6 Halo On Fire 08:15
CD 2:
1 Confusion 06:43
2 ManUNkind 06:55
3 Here Comes Revenge 7:17
4 Am I Savage? 06:30
5 Murder One 05:45
6 Spit Out The Bone 07:09



This was taken from Nuclear Blast's website and has not been denied or confirmed by Metallica yet so...

Apparently it all adds up to 77:30 so it *could* be correct.

Guess we'll wait and see.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 19, 2016, 12:51:59 PM
If it is 77:30, why would they require two discs?
Anyone could make up random numbers, so I'll disregard it until I read something from an official source, but numbers are mostly trivial at this stage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on September 19, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
Well the double album thing is silly if this is true. Although that would be a solid range of song lengths.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 19, 2016, 01:05:07 PM
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.

Yes, I am a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 19, 2016, 01:07:47 PM
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.

Yes, I am a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P

I recall talking about it quite a bit a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 19, 2016, 01:08:37 PM
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.

Yes, I'm a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P

I recall it being discussed a lot in this thread since that announcement. I just expected the length would be close enough to 80 minutes to justify making the call. Heck, disc 1 of The Astonishing is only a few seconds off a full 80 minutes, so anything under 80 minutes should really be a single disc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
Apparently Lars wanted it on two discs regardless.

I'm not fussed. It makes for a nicer package and yo can sequence it however you want anyway when you import it...

The CD box will just sit in a pile or on your rack or wherever.


The vinyl and Deluxe Edition artwork is different to the normal edition. The Vinyl one is kinda cool.

https://metallica.com/blog/news/429181/hardwired-to-self-destruct-available-november-18-2
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on September 19, 2016, 01:54:30 PM
Isn't spreading stuff out across two discs one of those tricks to artificially inflate the number of albums sold? Because each copy counts as two albums, and all that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 01:56:26 PM
Isn't spreading stuff out across two discs one of those tricks to artificially inflate the number of albums sold? Because each copy counts as two albums, and all that.


Apparently it has to add up to over 100 minutes - according to Blob. So I doubt it's that.

Probably more to do with having a double album package in this modern day and age or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 19, 2016, 02:28:51 PM
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.

Yes, I am a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P

I recall talking about it quite a bit a few weeks ago.

Ditto. Like 425 said, the press release stated that everything totaled under 80 minutes. So, yeah, I've been wondering why they would put it on two discs from the start.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2016, 02:33:55 PM
Good call, 425! :tup


 ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 02:34:39 PM
I think the correct answer is " why not ? ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 19, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
Maybe the split-up was because of a theme between the halves and not a duration thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on September 19, 2016, 02:48:43 PM
I'm just assuming they think it looks "cooler" or more impressive as a double album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 02:49:42 PM
It's certainly a nice package. But as I said - it doesn't matter when you just toss the box in your CD pile and import the music anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SolidSnake on September 19, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
Never thought I'd say this but this is the first Metallica since I got into them in 1991 that I probably won't be getting. Love Death Magnetic to bits, but I think I've just grown out of their sound. And if the new one is again horribly mixed, I'll skip it entirely. Lars was way off the mark when he stated that DM sounded great. Because it didn't. But the tunes are amesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2016, 03:25:12 PM
Anyone else find it weird that, until Hardwired gets released, Rob has only bee on one official Metallica album?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2016, 03:32:40 PM
I find it weirder that James, Lars, & Kirk have only been on 9 of them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on September 19, 2016, 03:38:47 PM
I find it weirder that Mustaine was on like 7 of them.  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 03:41:09 PM
Anyone else find it weird that, until Hardwired gets released, Rob has only bee on one official Metallica album?

I imagine the money from touring and the lifestyle make up for it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2016, 03:52:36 PM
Anyone else find it weird that, until Hardwired gets released, Rob has only bee on one official Metallica album?

I imagine the money from touring and the lifestyle make up for it.

Oh I'm not concerned about the money. Just that he's been in the band for so long, and only on one album. Just felt strange.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 03:58:16 PM
Yes. Joined the band in 2003 and up til today has been on ONE officially released Metallica album.

in 13 years.

But also - Beyond Magnetic, Through The Never, Lulu, Ronnie Rising, When A Blind Man Cries, Remember Tomorrow, You Really Got Me...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2016, 04:01:12 PM
Yes. Joined the band in 2003 and up til today has been on ONE officially released Metallica album.

in 13 years.

But also - Beyond Magnetic, Through The Never, Lulu, Ronnie Rising, When A Blind Man Cries, Remember Tomorrow, You Really Got Me...

I mean most of those are just one off songs that other people wrote. Lulu is.....best forgotten, and Beyond Magnetic (as far as I know) were all part of the DM sessions and just released separately.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 04:11:59 PM
Yes . But it's also not like he recorded Death Magnetic and nothing else in his 13 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2016, 04:42:15 PM
Yes . But it's also not like he recorded Death Magnetic and nothing else in his 13 years.


Oh I know. I guess it was more a statement of how few albums Metallica make. Trujillo joins in 2003 and has been one one album (two if you count Lulu). Comparatively, MM joins DT in 2010 and has been on 3 releases.

Obviously at this point Metallica are mostly a live band, and Rob has been on a ton of their DVDs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2016, 04:53:30 PM
They're basically Buckethead compared to TOOL :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on September 20, 2016, 06:44:55 AM
I find it weirder that James, Lars, & Kirk have only been on 9 of them.

Lol, very true.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 20, 2016, 07:03:07 AM
I agree it is a shame that Rob has only been on 1 official studio album in 13 years...

Of course the 80s were productive years for them because they were young and full of energy.

But it makes me appreciate the 90s more - from 96-99 they released Load, Reload, Garage Inc, and S&M in consecutive years. That was impressive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2016, 09:54:49 AM
Can't we just call the double album thing a ripoff of Iron Maiden's own (and justified, time wise) double album?  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 20, 2016, 10:06:27 AM
I'm starting to think that releasing a double album was just a bucket list thing for them and they just figured what the hell.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2016, 10:32:07 AM
Weird that Hetfield said they didn't want to do a double album. I guess they thought it would be a cool idea to have it on 2 discs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on September 20, 2016, 12:47:46 PM
Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 20, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.

It makes a difference for both cassette and vinyl in different ways, but doesn't have any effect on CDs. It either fits, or it doesn't, always the same quality.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on September 20, 2016, 12:52:38 PM
Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.

It either fits, or it doesn't, always the same quality.

:zydarscouch:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 20, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
ZYDAR! :getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 20, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on September 20, 2016, 01:24:58 PM
Songs time lenghts: https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html

CD 1:
1   . Hardwired   03:09
2   . Atlas, Rise!   06:28
3   . Now That We're Dead 06:59
4   . Moth Into Flame 05:50
5   . Dream No More 06:29
6   . Halo On Fire 08:15
CD 2:
1   . Confusion   06:43
2   . ManUNkind   06:55
3   . Here Comes Revenge 07:17
4   . Am I Savage?   06:30
5   . Murder One   05:45
6   . Spit Out The Bone 07:09
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2016, 01:25:51 PM

Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.



Not on a digital medium, no.

It's just that if you absolutely fill an audio CD to the very last second - it is prone to playback issues.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2016, 01:27:42 PM
ZYDAR! :getoffmylawn:

If you cross Blob with Zydar you get :




(https://cdn3-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2015/04/ZDar.jpg)



BLOB-ERT Z(Y)DAR !!!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2016, 01:28:28 PM
Songs time lenghts: https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html

CD 1:
1   . Hardwired   03:09
2   . Atlas, Rise!   06:28
3   . Now That We're Dead 06:59
4   . Moth Into Flame 05:50
5   . Dream No More 06:29
6   . Halo On Fire 08:15
CD 2:
1   . Confusion   06:43
2   . ManUNkind   06:55
3   . Here Comes Revenge 07:17
4   . Am I Savage?   06:30
5   . Murder One   05:45
6   . Spit Out The Bone 07:09


https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38115.msg2217205#msg2217205
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on September 20, 2016, 01:29:35 PM
 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2016, 01:36:23 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :tup

I would hug you but i'm an emotionless Vulcan.  :yeahright
















Aw Hell. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on September 20, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
 :lol  :lol :lol Well, I made that with truly good intentions!  :angel:
Now, back to topic, Vulcan! :corn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2016, 02:50:29 PM
:lol  :lol :lol Well, I made that with truly good intentions!  :angel:
Now, back to topic, Vulcan! :corn

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/23/Spock_dress_uniform.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20060223160652&path-prefix=en)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 23, 2016, 02:01:50 AM
(https://forums.metallica.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/7/a79e2bc3ab55c2e2c58e73424f3c5ff3131a0b17.jpg)






Metallica shooting a video for what is highly likely to be " Moth Into Flame ".

iTunes is now showing Moth Into Flame as being 5:50

So that confirms both the Nuclear Blast track lengths AND the next single.

iTunes song lengths usually only pop up once a song is released or due to be released.



Also Lars changed his kit colour again finally. Bye Bye Orange Drumkit. You served us well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on September 23, 2016, 06:40:32 AM
Didn't they wear those same clothes in the last video?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 23, 2016, 06:42:21 AM
Kirk has the wah pedal in front of him :(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on September 23, 2016, 11:17:32 AM
How do they justify this being a double album when it can fit on one CD? I think it's even shorter than Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on September 23, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
Kirk has the wah pedal in front of him :(

seems like he should go ahead and have shoes made that have a wah pedal built in
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 23, 2016, 01:28:21 PM
How do they justify this being a double album when it can fit on one CD? I think it's even shorter than Load.

They wanted it in 2 parts.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on September 24, 2016, 03:35:24 AM
They could have achieved that by splitting the album in two acts in the track listing the way Dream Theater did it. It only makes sense if it's a conceptual album, though, or if the two discs have contrasting styles. Which I don't think is a case here, we're talking about Metallica. We'll see.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2016, 03:37:16 AM
If only they had more material to actually go over the 80 minute mark, like, dunno, I improvize on the moment, a song called Lords of Summer or something.

 ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2016, 03:42:32 AM
What does wanting it in 2 parts even mean? I agree with Mladen. Is there any reason for it, or a clear division in style? Highly doubtful at best. It won't be in two "parts" when I download it digitally and ignore their stupid idea of splitting it between two discs.
I think they probably just committed to possibly requiring a double disc before the track list and master was finalized, then ended up stuck with justifying it when it ended up ultimately unnecessary.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2016, 04:53:11 AM
Or they just liked the idea of two discs.


And Lords of Summer 2016 studio recording is on disc 3.  It's a shorter runtime than the demo versions so hopefully it's had an overhaul.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2016, 05:03:28 AM
More justification to put it on the actual album then. The only reason I can think of is that they wanted "the new album" to be completely full of unreleased new material, and that it would have seemed cheap to put a song already released one or two years before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 24, 2016, 05:03:49 AM
And Lords of Summer 2016 studio recording is on disc 3.  It's a shorter runtime than the demo versions so hopefully it's had an overhaul.

Where did you get that from? On Wikipedia it says the length is 8:21, which is the same length as the demos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2016, 05:07:57 AM
https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 24, 2016, 06:12:29 AM
Ah, okay.  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2016, 10:24:20 AM
:lol Some people on the Metallica forum are *adamant* that because this new album is only 6 tracks and under 40 mins per disc -

- that it's not actually an album - it's a double EP.

12 tracks and 77 minutes and it's not an album. :lol  What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 25, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
:lol Some people on the Metallica forum are *adamant* that because this new album is only 6 tracks and under 40 mins per disc -

- that it's not actually an album - it's a double EP.

12 tracks and 77 minutes and it's not an album. :lol  What a time to be alive.

lol dumbasses
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2016, 11:28:32 AM
I really liked their Quadruple EP Load and Reload
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 26, 2016, 02:42:01 AM
Metallica's performance at Global Citizen on the 24th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yttdek25sqg .

I think Kirk's MoP solo is one of the tightest I've heard from him in recent years... Such a shame Lars has to increase the tempo that much directly after it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on September 26, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
:lol Some people on the Metallica forum are *adamant* that because this new album is only 6 tracks and under 40 mins per disc -

- that it's not actually an album - it's a double EP.

12 tracks and 77 minutes and it's not an album. :lol  What a time to be alive.

Under 40 mins qualifies as an album for other bands but not Metallica?   ::) 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 26, 2016, 08:35:11 AM
NEW SONG AND VIDEO, Moth into Flame (https://www.metallica.com/)

Eh, it starts quite weak at the beginning but it catches up from the solo onwards. Didn't like it as much as Hardwired, but I guess it's Okay.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 08:43:22 AM
Stylistically this is a crapload better than Hardwired, not balls to the wall thrash, some vocal harmonies in the pre-chorus, and Kirk's soloing is greatly improved since DM. I also love the production. No complaints there.
But again, the song is quite forgettable (but again, better than Hardwired). Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note! At 6 minutes long, it didn't feel drawn out, it felt justified, pretty straight up structure, more like TBA, which I liked. And I'm glad there will be vocal harmonies, because DM was severely lacking there.

I'm losing faith they can even write songs as strong as DM any more, but given the better style and production here, I hope they can manage something I really enjoy on the album. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 08:45:04 AM
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow.  That would be amazing to see.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 26, 2016, 08:47:08 AM
But again, the song is quite forgettable. Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody?
Not to mention I find the chords in the verses quite similar to both The "Time, has taken its toll on you" part of The Four Horsemen, and the verses in The End of the Line (But slower)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 26, 2016, 09:01:37 AM
Stylistically this is a crapload better than Hardwired, not balls to the wall thrash, some vocal harmonies in the pre-chorus, and Kirk's soloing is greatly improved since DM. I also love the production. No complaints there.
But again, the song is quite forgettable (but again, better than Hardwired). Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note! At 6 minutes long, it didn't feel drawn out, it felt justified, pretty straight up structure, more like TBA, which I liked. And I'm glad there will be vocal harmonies, because DM was severely lacking there.

I'm losing faith they can even write songs as strong as DM any more, but given the better style and production here, I hope they can manage something I really enjoy on the album. :dunno:

Good post Blob. Exactly this. I agree on all points.

Production is definitely better, vocal harmonies are great to hear. I'm still waiting to be impressed by the songwriting. I agree the structure was cool, but the melody could have been better. The first phrase of the verse melody caught my ear, it had hooky potential, but then never really went anywhere.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 26, 2016, 09:02:51 AM
Fucking awesome song!!

I love the chorus melody "Sold your soul..." - that part., love the guitar solo, love the production.

I am a very happy Metallica fan  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on September 26, 2016, 09:17:00 AM
Now that song is much better. Modern Metallica is best at catchy heavy metal with bursts of speed thrown in, moreso than wannabe thrash like Hardwired. The chorus is a fitting throw-off from what James has usually done; Kirk's solo wasn't that great though.

Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note!

Vocal line doesn't have to have a lot of pitch variation to be catchy, and verses here are a good example. It has a solid groove!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on September 26, 2016, 09:19:54 AM
Hardwired is still terrible as fuck but this one is actually pretty good! Has some cool DM-esque grooves.

I wouldn't say this is better than anything on DM apart from My Apocalypse, but I would still be very happy if this album was almost as good as DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 09:19:56 AM
Moth Into Flame will be more representative of the album since Hardwired was written and recorded within a week simply to have a short fast aggressive song kick off the album.

They've been working on the remaining 11 songs for two years plus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 09:20:35 AM
Hardwired is still terrible as fuck but this one is actually pretty good! Has some cool DM-esque grooves.

I wouldn't say this is better than anything on DM apart from My Apocalypse, but I would still be very happy if this album was almost as good as DM.

If Hardwired To Self Destruct is AS good as Death Magnetic with great production and vocal harmonies and composed solos - we'll have a winner.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 26, 2016, 09:24:05 AM
Haven't even finished listening to the song yet, but the first thing I noticed was the similarity between the first part of the verses and the slow part of The Four Horsemen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 09:30:46 AM
Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note!

Vocal line doesn't have to have a lot of pitch variation to be catchy, and verses here are a good example. It has a solid groove!

There are only so many times you can do the exact same thing without it sounding generic and indistinct, which is the case with both new songs. Thrash E string, grunt out E over the top. For a band of 30+ years, I expect a lot more effort and ability than that. Why did it take them 8 years to write this? It sounds so phoned in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on September 26, 2016, 09:34:02 AM
There are only so many times you can do the exact same thing without it sounding generic and indistinct, which is the case with both new songs. Thrash E string, grunt out E over the top. For a band of 30+ years, I expect a lot more effort and ability than that.

I agree about it being pretty generic, but I don't really expect Metallica to make anything truly great anymore with all their millions. That song is 7/10 at best, an enjoyable listen but can't keep it on repeat by any means.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 26, 2016, 09:35:42 AM
Why did it take them 8 years to write this? It sounds so phoned in.

It didn't.

They didn't start working on this the second DM was released. They toured for 2 years, made a movie, a music festival, and then worked on this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 09:38:20 AM
There's no pleasing some people. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
Why did it take them 8 years to write this? It sounds so phoned in.

It didn't.

They didn't start working on this the second DM was released. They toured for 2 years, made a movie, a music festival, and then worked on this.

Yeah sorry, I didn't mean 8 years of writing it, I just meant it's been 8 years since DM, and in that time, this is the best they managed to do. At any rate, it's an incredibly weak effort imo.


There's no pleasing some people. :lol

And some people are apparently too easy to please! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 26, 2016, 09:48:39 AM
At any rate, it's an incredibly weak effort imo.

I know there's no accounting for taste, but...

Seriously. I just finished my sixth listen and I am enjoying this song so much. I love the last chorus, the outro, the harmonies.

By no means is this incredibly weak. Incredibly weak would have been if they released Invisible Kid or The View from Lulu.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 09:50:49 AM

And some people are apparently too easy to please! :biggrin:

God forbid I like the new song from one of my favourite bands.

Well Metallica it's a killer track, I grant you. There's vocal harmonies which were sorely missing on the last album. The production is great. Finally. Well done there. The solos sound composed

which is a huge step up from the last one. The structure is nice and doesn't sound as copy and paste as the last one either.

BUT THE VERSE MELODY COULD BE BETTER 0/100 FUCK YOU TRY AGAIN :angry:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 09:55:50 AM

And some people are apparently too easy to please! :biggrin:

God forbid I like the new song from one of my favourite bands.

Well Metallica it's a killer track, I grant you. There's vocal harmonies which were sorely missing on the last album. The production is great. Finally. Well done there. The solos sound composed

which is a huge step up from the last one. The structure is nice and doesn't sound as copy and paste as the last one either.

BUT THE VERSE MELODY COULD BE BETTER 0/100 FUCK YOU TRY AGAIN :angry:

 :chill
I don't like something as much as you. Not the end of the world! I commented on those same things earlier as being great attributes of this song, and overall this is in the direction I wanted them to go after DM, I just don't think the songwriting itself is particularly strong.
I didn't say the song was bad, because I don't think it is at all, I think it's weak and forgettable. Much like Hardwired, after multiple listens, I can't recall a thing about it. No catchy riffs or melodies to me. My opinion of the song does not impact your ability to enjoy it in any way though, so carry on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:00:06 AM
I dunno. I guess i'm a little over excited by it :)

I'm not sure what more you could want from a new Metallica song. It's got everything imo. It's catchy as fuck.

With this production and vocal harmonies and composed solos and songs at least as good as this - it could be their best album in 25 years.   :)

Easily better than the last 3.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 26, 2016, 10:01:05 AM
Hell yeah, fuckin awesome song!!!

For modern day Metallica, this is as good as it can get. I'm more than satisfied
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:01:28 AM
Hell yeah, fuckin awesome song!!!

For modern day Metallica, this is as good as it can get. I'm more than satisfied

Me too :) I love it to bits. :hifive:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 26, 2016, 10:01:33 AM
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on September 26, 2016, 10:02:22 AM
Nice, I like it :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 10:03:43 AM
I dunno. I guess i'm a little over excited by it :)

I'm not sure what more you could want from a new Metallica song. It's got everything imo. It's catchy as fuck.

I don't judge music as a checklist of attributes, otherwise it would pass easily here. I love the direction. I judge based on songwriting, which I don't find catchy in the slightest. As I said, the vocal melody is largely repeating the same note over (just like Hardwired did), over a riff of mostly thrashing E. That's not catchy to me. Even the early thrash stuff where Hetfield's voice was at its most unrefined has a lot more melody than this, not to mention the classic riffage. I'm glad you like it. I wish I could be excited by something Metallica does in 2016.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:03:55 AM
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.

The sad thing is - someone isolated his vocal track for Cyanide and he had loads of grit and anger on it - but DM's horrible production means it was entirely lost.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 26, 2016, 10:06:00 AM
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.

The sad thing is - someone isolated his vocal track for Cyanide and he had loads of grit and anger on it - but DM's horrible production means it was entirely lost.

Absolutely, I blame most of the difference between this new stuff and DM stuff on the production. Little harmony and reverb go a long way, huh?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.

The sad thing is - someone isolated his vocal track for Cyanide and he had loads of grit and anger on it - but DM's horrible production means it was entirely lost.

Absolutely, I blame most of the difference between this new stuff and DM stuff on the production. Little harmony and reverb go a long way, huh?


That's the difference between a good producer and Rick RUIN.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 26, 2016, 10:10:33 AM
I don't judge music as a checklist of attributes, otherwise it would pass easily here. I love the direction. I judge based on songwriting, which I don't find catchy in the slightest. As I said, the vocal melody is largely repeating the same note over (just like Hardwired did), over a riff of mostly thrashing E. That's not catchy to me. Even the early thrash stuff where Hetfield's voice was at its most unrefined has a lot more melody than this, not to mention the classic riffage. I'm glad you like it. I wish I could be excited by something Metallica does in 2016.

Generally speaking, I pretty much agree with your assessment of the song, if you judge it against the stuff they did in their prime, it's not very good. My frame of reference was DM. So I automatically compared this new track in my mind to DM, so for me the impression was better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:13:02 AM
Production wise at least - this is how Death Magnetic should have sounded all along.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 10:15:07 AM
I don't judge music as a checklist of attributes, otherwise it would pass easily here. I love the direction. I judge based on songwriting, which I don't find catchy in the slightest. As I said, the vocal melody is largely repeating the same note over (just like Hardwired did), over a riff of mostly thrashing E. That's not catchy to me. Even the early thrash stuff where Hetfield's voice was at its most unrefined has a lot more melody than this, not to mention the classic riffage. I'm glad you like it. I wish I could be excited by something Metallica does in 2016.

Generally speaking, I pretty much agree with your assessment of the song, if you judge it against the stuff they did in their prime, it's not very good. My frame of reference was DM. So I automatically compared this new track in my mind to DM, so for me the impression was better.

In many ways I much prefer this to what they did with DM, so it is a fairer comparison. Despite my criticism of DM however, I actually enjoy it overall and think it's a solid album. The funny thing is, so far the new album has rectified all of my major criticisms of DM, so it's unfortunate the two songs released haven't hooked me yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on September 26, 2016, 10:19:43 AM
Production wise at least - this is how Death Magnetic should have sounded all along.

I think it still sounds a bit flat, even if it's better than DM. Rhythm guitars could have a bit more meat and the bass is non-existent. There's potential for the mix to sound a lot better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:20:32 AM
Non existant bass ? I'm not sure what you're listening to it on...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on September 26, 2016, 10:47:35 AM
This one is decent. Nothing impressive, but fine. It makes me glad Hardwired came out earlier and got me excited - had this one come out first, it wouldn't have had the same impact.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2016, 10:51:28 AM
I liked it.

Not a classic, but enjoyable, which I can't say about anything Metallica has done since S&M.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
I liked it.

Not a classic, but enjoyable, which I can't say about anything Metallica has done since S&M.

Mmm. This is probably the most i've enjoyed a brand new Metallica song since Fuel.

The Day That Never Comes didn't really blow me away.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on September 26, 2016, 10:55:43 AM
It's definitely better than the last song. I agree with Blob that the vocal melody is severely lacking in the verse again. I hope James does a lot more than that on the rest of the album, or it's going to be real slog to get through the whole thing. Same with chugging on the E string. But overall, not bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on September 26, 2016, 11:03:23 AM
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow.  That would be amazing to see.

Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.


New song seems decent enough.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on September 26, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
Pretty decent song. Like it better than the first single.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 11:09:44 AM
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow.  That would be amazing to see.

Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.


New song seems decent enough.

Good luck, the couple listings on ebay have them at 10k a piece.  That will be one heck of an experience, but if you find something of decent price, let me know.  If that were Iron Maiden (my favorite band) I could see myself shelling out over 1k to see them perform in a club.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on September 26, 2016, 11:25:31 AM
I've been pretty critical of Metallica over the past few years but Moth into the Flame is the best new Metallica song I've heard in almost 20 years. This could have been on the Black Album. I'm officially excited for the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 11:29:56 AM
I've been pretty critical of Metallica over the past few years but Moth into the Flame is the best new Metallica song I've heard in almost 20 years. This could have been on the Black Album. I'm officially excited for the new album.

:hifive:


Easily the best they've sounded on an album since Garage Inc Disc 1 - which is one of the best sounding rock albums ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 26, 2016, 12:08:50 PM
I've been pretty critical of Metallica over the past few years but Moth into the Flame is the best new Metallica song I've heard in almost 20 years. This could have been on the Black Album. I'm officially excited for the new album.

:hifive:


Easily the best they've sounded on an album since Garage Inc Disc 1 - which is one of the best sounding rock albums ever.

Absolutely. Especially on a great stereo/pair of headphones. I'm so excited. My boys are back!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2016, 12:09:54 PM
Sonically, this was even better than Hardwired, which had it's issues.

The lead guitars sound very smooth and Kirk's solos sounded....in time....which is a big improvement.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2016, 12:12:36 PM
Sonically, this was even better than Hardwired, which had it's issues.

The lead guitars sound very smooth and Kirk's solos sounded....in time....which is a big improvement.

Yeah, I was impressed. :lol Much better than anything on DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 12:45:07 PM
Finally just listened/watched.  I really like this song.  It's nothing mind blowing, but very solid Metallica music.  As others have said, you can't really expect much more from them at this point in their careers.  Solid music like this (and the first single which I find to be solid as well) is good enough for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 12:45:45 PM
Probably because the DM solos were like

• Don't come up with a solo

• Hit RECORD

• PLAY WHATEVER

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 26, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Probably because the DM solos were like

• Don't come up with a solo

• Hit RECORD

• PLAY WHATEVER

Yeah, clearly not a formula that worked well for Kirk, IMO. I think his best solo work was on albums that he worked on his solos ahead of time, thought out and composed stuff, and then was challenged and pushed even further once entering the studio to record, basically the Bob approach.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on September 26, 2016, 01:07:41 PM
Pretty decent song. Like it better than the first single.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on September 26, 2016, 01:51:32 PM
Probably because the DM solos were like

• Don't come up with a solo

• Hit RECORD

• PLAY WHATEVER

Yeah, clearly not a formula that worked well for Kirk, IMO. I think his best solo work was on albums that he worked on his solos ahead of time, thought out and composed stuff, and then was challenged and pushed even further once entering the studio to record, basically the Bob approach.

Plus back then he was a student of Satriani and his chops were much better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 01:53:11 PM
Kirks playing at Global Citizen was a lot better than the Superbowl show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 26, 2016, 02:18:32 PM
So much better than Hardwired. Not great, but pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 02:19:15 PM
Interesting that both Hardwired and Moth Into Flame are solely credited to Hetfield / Ulrich.


On Death Magnetic it was a rule apparently that all 4 guys have a riff in every song. That does not seem to be the case here - maybe that accounts for the improved arrangements.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 26, 2016, 02:33:35 PM
On Death Magnetic it was a rule apparently that all 4 guys have a riff in every song.

I think that unless it's been directly stated by the band, we can't assume that that's true. It's equally possible that they all worked on the arrangements together, and decided to share credit due to their new found "democratic spirit".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 02:39:28 PM
I've heard this from many sources.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on September 26, 2016, 02:54:52 PM
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow.  That would be amazing to see.

Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.


New song seems decent enough.

Good luck, the couple listings on ebay have them at 10k a piece.  That will be one heck of an experience, but if you find something of decent price, let me know.  If that were Iron Maiden (my favorite band) I could see myself shelling out over 1k to see them perform in a club.

Yeah, I saw one or two listings on CL for $500 a piece, which doesn't seem too absurd given everything. Obviously there are risks with CL but I haven't been burned in the past.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
These lyrics from Moth Into Flame are actually great.

You’ve hijacked my brain
Moth to a flame
If you don’t release me
I’ll go just the same

Moth gonna fly
Moth gonna fly
Moth gonna fly from your love.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
Bump into your window
Trying to get out
DOnt blame me
I'm just a Moth
I can't even spell "IQ"
Please release me from this Jail
But do be careful when handling my wings
They're very fragile.
Cheers.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow.  That would be amazing to see.

Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.


New song seems decent enough.

Good luck, the couple listings on ebay have them at 10k a piece.  That will be one heck of an experience, but if you find something of decent price, let me know.  If that were Iron Maiden (my favorite band) I could see myself shelling out over 1k to see them perform in a club.

Yeah, I saw one or two listings on CL for $500 a piece, which doesn't seem too absurd given everything. Obviously there are risks with CL but I haven't been burned in the past.

Yea thats a good price actually.  I don't trust CL though personally.  To compare, Green Day is playing the same venue for their small club tour and tickets are at $440 on stubhub... now if metallica tickets showed up on stubhub Id be more interested in buying because it's well trusted.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on September 26, 2016, 06:12:28 PM
Did anyone notice that Lars is playing a slightly smaller kit??

He has only one rack tom! Or am I not seeing it?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Did anyone notice that Lars is playing a slightly smaller kit??

He has only one rack tom! Or am I not seeing it?

Looks like it's probably just for the video, he's gone smaller for videos before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 26, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
New song is bland tbh, I don't hate it though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on September 27, 2016, 01:18:47 AM
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.

Pump up Orion or Anesthesia in his honor  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 04:18:19 AM
Did anyone notice that Lars is playing a slightly smaller kit??

He has only one rack tom! Or am I not seeing it?

Looks like it's probably just for the video, he's gone smaller for videos before.

Yes there's an Instagram video from a future video shoot and he's using the entire new purple Tama.

He uses a tiny kit in the I Disappear video.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2016, 06:02:19 AM
I think the song is pretty fucking cool actually.  Kirk still sucks, but whatever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 06:04:11 AM
It says a lot about the production that I keep wanting to turn the volume UP and not DOWN.

For anyone that doesn't know - the album was produced by Greg Fidelman - who was the engineer on Death Magnetic and he also produced Slipknot's The Gray Chapter.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on September 27, 2016, 06:05:05 AM
I think the song is pretty fucking cool actually.  Kirk still sucks, but whatever.

I like it too.  Nothing mindblowing but just a good song.......as good as just about anything since TBA for me.  And don't underestimate Kirk's efforts - it takes a lot of hard work to make a guitar sound that shithouse.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on September 27, 2016, 06:06:22 AM
Nice song, i like where this album is going....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 27, 2016, 07:38:33 AM
I think the song is pretty fucking cool actually.  Kirk still sucks, but whatever.

Recently he really has, but his lead in this song didn't bother me. It didn't blow me away or anything, but it didn't bother me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on September 27, 2016, 08:39:07 AM
That's the way I like it: a mix of old and new!  Good energy, good riffs. :metal 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 27, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
One of the main problems I had with the DM production was how dry the vocals were recorded. I'm liking the clear announciation that Hetfield has on these 2 songs as well as the reverb!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
One of the main problems I had with the DM production was how dry the vocals were recorded. I'm liking the clear announciation that Hetfield has on these 2 songs as well as the reverb!

When I heard "Hardwired" - I was shocked how clearly you could hear the bass picking and the splash of the cymbals.



But yeah - that reverb on the final note of Hardwired - with that immense decay - was like :o wow REVERB !!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 27, 2016, 11:03:48 AM
Yeah the production has helped the vocal tracks a lot. Het sounds great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
If I have one gripe about the production so far it's that the hi-hats are too prominent.

But that's what happens when nobody in the studio can hear high frequencies :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on September 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PM
Liking it better than Hardwired at this point, but it's once again pretty standard thrash fair, which by no means is bad. In fact, it's pretty damn decent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2016, 02:44:06 PM
I have just now finally heard Moth Into Flame. Wow, I think it's an awesome tune. Kirk reminds me of Jannick Gers here.

Love it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pfillion on September 27, 2016, 02:57:35 PM
Good song but the guitar tone..  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 03:09:38 PM
....is fine ?

Compared to Lords Of Summer or Death Magnetic it's great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 27, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
I loved the tone they had on DM, it was very bright. But this one kicks ass too!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 03:43:16 PM
It was bright due to digital distortion on the final mix.

It also sounded weak and brittle.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on September 27, 2016, 04:51:17 PM
I like the singing part of the chorus and that's it in the whole song. Either a) what the fuck happened to this band? or b) what happened to my taste?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2016, 04:54:11 PM
  Either a) what the fuck happened to this band? or b) what happened to my taste?

That's how I felt in 1991!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on September 27, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Like this is just so boring to me. DM was too. Load and Reload were pretty great and I loved RtL, MoP, and AJFA. Thought TBA was ok. I just don't know...

Might be Het's voice is no longer working for me. I don't know what it is. I just know I'm less than impressed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 05:34:25 PM

That's how I felt in 1991!

Oh you're one of those :lol

They're in their 50s. They can't make Master Of Puppets again. This is the best they've sounded in over 15 years. If you want the same shit over and over go listen to Slayer or AC/DC or Motorhead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2016, 06:44:54 PM
I'm just happy to have them rocking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2016, 06:58:28 PM
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.

Was just about to post this.

(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 27, 2016, 08:32:36 PM
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.

Was just about to post this.

(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)

He still is and always will be my all time favorite bassist. The influence he has had on my playing is immesurable. I would not be playing bass today if it wasn't for Cliff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on September 28, 2016, 06:25:25 AM
I still think the question of what would Metallica be today if Cliff didn't die is the biggest mystery in modern music history. Would he have stayed in the band? Would the black album have happened? Would Metallica be as big as they are?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Evai on September 28, 2016, 06:31:51 AM
Liking the new track a lot more than DM! Kirk actually playing something melodic without it sounding bad is nice.

This is all I could think of at first though - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWCMRm2hrcQ
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on September 28, 2016, 07:27:37 AM
I still think the question of what would Metallica be today if Cliff didn't die is the biggest mystery in modern music history. Would he have stayed in the band? Would the black album have happened? Would Metallica be as big as they are?

Well, I think the overall scheme of things wouldn't have changed. Death makes someone immortal and flawless so to speak, imagine Elvis dying at 27, he would be an iconic legend more than he already is and nobody could ever picture him fat and struggling to sing.

Back when Metallica were young and hungy kids taking the world by storm, who could have imagined the fearless leader James Hetflied cutting his hair? who would have thought the other mind of the band, Lars Ulrich, could become so enraged at Napster?  and who wouldn't have laughed at the idea of the solo master Kirk Hammett being sloppy and with eyeliner?

Nothing tells us that Cliff would have stayed "true to Metallica's heart" or whatever, he could have grown tired of the music like Kevin Moore and leave of his own account for all we know. He was a young boy like everyone else, who now are married family men. Like the others changed, so probably he would have.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 28, 2016, 07:33:06 AM
Not sure how the balance of power was back then in the band. Pretty sure Hetfield/Ulrich called the shots, but their direction in the 90's might have differed a little. Who knows really.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2016, 09:49:01 AM
Pretty sweet setlist from the club show last night in NYC:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/webster-hall-new-york-ny-73fde2b9.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/webster-hall-new-york-ny-73fde2b9.html)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
Liking the new track a lot more than DM! Kirk actually playing something melodic without it sounding bad is nice.

This is all I could think of at first though - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWCMRm2hrcQ

I love Dream Theater but Moth is a much better song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 28, 2016, 09:52:16 AM
Lol I wish Metallica could still write a song even half that good. Moth to a Flame ain't close.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 28, 2016, 09:53:35 AM
Pretty sweet setlist from the club show last night in NYC:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/webster-hall-new-york-ny-73fde2b9.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/webster-hall-new-york-ny-73fde2b9.html)

Yup, that is an awesome set list! Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2016, 09:54:46 AM
Constant Motion is an ok song on an ok album that owes a huge debt to Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 28, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
Constant Motion is an ok song on an ok album that owes a huge debt to Metallica.

I could say the same about many Metallica songs from the past 20 years. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2016, 10:01:20 AM
You're right. many metallica songs sound like metallica :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 28, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
Well, now I want to hear Dream Theater play Constant Motion but with Hetfield doing MP's vocals.

And I like Constant Motion. I know that means I have bad music taste in the eyes of DTF, but I think it's a good track. One of their best? No, not at all, but that doesn't mean it isn't good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on September 28, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
Well, now I want to hear Dream Theater play Constant Motion but with Hetfield doing MP's vocals.

And I like Constant Motion. I know that means I have bad music taste in the eyes of DTF, but I think it's a good track. One of their best? No, not at all, but that doesn't mean it isn't good.

I enjoy it plenty as a fun little throwaway track. To me it's the music equivalent of a summer action movie in that there's fun stuff in there but no real substance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2016, 10:53:27 AM
Well, now I want to hear Dream Theater play Constant Motion but with Hetfield doing MP's vocals.

And I like Constant Motion. I know that means I have bad music taste in the eyes of DTF, but I think it's a good track. One of their best? No, not at all, but that doesn't mean it isn't good.

I enjoy it plenty as a fun little throwaway track. To me it's the music equivalent of a summer action movie in that there's fun stuff in there but no real substance.

+1 on CM being a fun song
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on September 28, 2016, 11:10:41 AM
Back on the forum after a while! Hey there.
This song revived my hopes for the album, really. Hardwired was too 'edgy' in my opinion. But this takes the modern Metallica sound and gives a wave of fresh air to it, i think. Either that or it's a freaking fun track. I don't know, each track from 'Death Magnetic' onward is fun for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on September 28, 2016, 05:08:27 PM
I think both of the new songs so far are OK. Only issue I had with Hardwired is some of the silly lyrics. Moth is alright. I don't go gaga just cause they had some melody in the chorus, cause I actually don't much care for the melody used there. To me its blander than the verses where as someone mentioned before, even though James isn't singing with much melody there's groove to it. Overall not bad but they'll always have huge expectations for every song and release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on September 28, 2016, 06:31:51 PM
Lol at those saying the song is too thrashy. Yeah, parts of it have sixteenth notes instead of quarter notes. BIG FREAKING DEAL. It doesn't have to plod along with quarter notes for 6 or 7 minutes like a Pink Floyd song to be good. Playing sixteenth notes adds energy and oomph. Also count me among those who liked the solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on September 28, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
I loved everything Kirk did except the solo. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 28, 2016, 09:17:13 PM
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.

Was just about to post this.

(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)

He still is and always will be my all time favorite bassist. The influence he has had on my playing is immesurable. I would not be playing bass today if it wasn't for Cliff.

Is that a small scale bass or was he just an exceptionally large man?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on September 28, 2016, 09:29:03 PM
I loved everything Kirk did except the solo. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/2ee30999f091e79442da026a0b9a7ffe/tumblr_mh7zp1Qfbi1rln3k2o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 29, 2016, 05:02:26 AM
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.

Was just about to post this.

(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)

He still is and always will be my all time favorite bassist. The influence he has had on my playing is immesurable. I would not be playing bass today if it wasn't for Cliff.

Is that a small scale bass or was he just an exceptionally large man?

He was tall (even taller than Hetfield) but the bass also looks small due to the angle the picture was taken at.

I loved everything Kirk did except the solo. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/2ee30999f091e79442da026a0b9a7ffe/tumblr_mh7zp1Qfbi1rln3k2o1_500.jpg)

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 29, 2016, 05:45:53 AM
Triple post for triple effect?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 29, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Triple post for triple effect?

:lol My phone glitched. I fixed it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 29, 2016, 04:31:14 PM
Hardwired Live on the Horward Stern Show
https://youtu.be/XxFFAx3H9NU
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on September 29, 2016, 04:42:38 PM
They're still around after all these years. Of course they're past their prime but I must say this is a pretty cool direction for them. I especially like Moth Into Flame with the Black Album verses, a bit of speed metal, melodic choruses and really the coolest solo I've heard in 15 years. Kirk's a fan of wah yes, but he totally nailed that solo. Yes of course he's sloppy af, but the energy totally comes across. I'm digging this tune and I'm looking forward to the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on September 30, 2016, 07:37:24 AM
I say this almost every time I see something like this, but James is so fucking cool. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on September 30, 2016, 07:51:14 AM
Saw Metallica on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon last night playing one of their new tracks. It was really cool!
 I wouldn't mind seeing DT do that, being that they are from Long Island. Good exposure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 30, 2016, 08:37:53 AM
I say this almost every time I see something like this, but James is so fucking cool.

Right?! I say this almost every time, but Het makes Metallica for me. Hands down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cruithne on September 30, 2016, 09:39:10 AM
Might be Het's voice is no longer working for me. I don't know what it is. I just know I'm less than impressed.

It's because there's a distinct lack of "Yeah!" in these latest songs  :angel: There's a "Go!" in Hardwired but it's just not the same.

What it might be though... I've a feeling Het used to double track *all* his lead vocals back in the day and I don't know that he's still doing it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2016, 10:18:02 AM
At least there is backup vocals on Hardwired...To Self Destruct.

There was none on Death Magnetic and it was really lacking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2016, 06:39:19 PM
Het definitely double tracked his lead vocals, if not many more times over, at least on MOP and AJFA. Probably on RTL too. Maybe not on TBA—that's the first album after KEA where I feel like his vocals have a natural sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Hetfield says that the new album is so long that they decided to put it on two discs to make absolutely sure that there were no problems with playback or having to compromise on sound quality.

Which is fair enough I think. They must have known everyone wanted a well produced album this time around.

The biggest rock band on the planet simply cannot put out three bad sounding albums in a row.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
Which is why they made Songs of Innocence sound better than the previous two.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2016, 11:20:00 AM
 :laugh: :laugh:

It did indeed. So glad they finally ditched Eno & Lanois. AKA The Compression twins.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 01, 2016, 01:07:46 PM
At least there is backup vocals on Hardwired...To Self Destruct.

There was none on Death Magnetic and it was really lacking.

Yea, that's one area where the demos were better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on October 01, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
I've never heard of long CDs affecting sound quality. This isn't vinyl, it's all digital. Playback issues is more valid, but I think that's only a concern if you're using an old machine.

Those sound like bullshit reasons to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
:lolpalm:

What's wrong with " Because they wanted to " ?


If worrying about sound quality is a bullshit excuse - what do you imagine Metallica's secret ulterior motive is ? It's not to get double sales figures. That only counts on albums over 100 minutes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 01, 2016, 07:20:32 PM
To get the album's price higher?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: tyranor on October 01, 2016, 08:12:47 PM
Really liked both of the new songs. Production on "Moth into Flame" is awesome, Greg did a great job. It's loud, heavy but has a lot of clarity. Great example of modern production. Songs itself is catchy and heavy.

Hope the rest of the album will be even better  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2016, 09:50:13 PM
I've never heard of long CDs affecting sound quality. This isn't vinyl, it's all digital. Playback issues is more valid, but I think that's only a concern if you're using an old machine.

Those sound like bullshit reasons to me.

Yep. The length of the album wouldn't be a problem on one disc. Load was a longer album, and that was 20 years ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on October 01, 2016, 10:23:03 PM
:lolpalm:

What's wrong with " Because they wanted to " ?


If worrying about sound quality is a bullshit excuse - what do you imagine Metallica's secret ulterior motive is ? It's not to get double sales figures. That only counts on albums over 100 minutes.

For the status of a double album, the illusion that the 8 year wait gave fans a larger quantity of music, or even just "because they wanted to". Regardless of the reason, I think it's a dumb idea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 01, 2016, 11:49:12 PM
I'm probably just going to get it digitally & burn it onto one disc tbh.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2016, 04:46:05 AM
James said it costs more to make it a double album so charging more doesn't really count. Why charge more if it costs you more at the same time ?

"...to cover costs ? "

Then why make it a double if you have to charge more to break even ?

"...Kirk still sucks lol "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2016, 04:54:55 AM
James said it costs more to make it a double album so charging more doesn't really count. Why charge more if it costs you more at the same time ?

Because the extra amount you can charge for a double album more than offsets the cost of stamping out an extra CD.
But I still get the feeling they just badly planned the whole thing and ended up stuck with it and had to make up some lame justification.
"Oh, it was for um sound quality, and production, and to fit in the decibels, and we wanted two discs because reasons."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on October 02, 2016, 06:15:35 AM
They should've said it was for listening purposes (better digested in two halves, or maybe that the songs on disc 2 are different musically or thematically). Everyone in prog does it and it works every time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 02, 2016, 07:59:55 AM
Their performance on Jimmy Fallon was pretty good, save for Kirk. He seems to be the only weak link at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2016, 08:05:46 AM
https://metallica.com/videos/31510/hardwired-live-on-the-howard-stern-show

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2016, 08:28:47 AM
Just watched the Fallon clip. Nice!!

What effect do you guys think Trujillo has on the band? Is it any coincidence that DM and HW are more in the classic vain? I feel that he is an Old School veteran that is helping to keep them honest.

The best clip in SKOM was when he auditioned and they asked him what he wanted to play, and when he said Battery, Lars' jaw almost fell off his face. And then after Lars asks, "Is there anything else you know as well as that?" while fighting off a heart attack!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2016, 08:31:47 AM
Well it was Rick RUIN who suggested they try to remake Master Of Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2016, 03:03:41 PM
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame

The Making of Moth Into Flame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 03, 2016, 04:07:45 PM
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame

The Making of Moth Into Flame.

Pretty cool. Standard footage, just the boys getting down to business.  I chuckled at the random cat walking around in the control room lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2016, 04:13:13 PM
Lars getting a massage :lol his masseuse heard the new album first !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2016, 04:13:41 PM
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame

The Making of Moth Into Flame.

Pretty cool. Standard footage, just the boys getting down to business.  I chuckled at the random cat walking around in the control room lol


One of Het's cats is called Tabs of course :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 03, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame

The Making of Moth Into Flame.

Pretty cool. Standard footage, just the boys getting down to business.  I chuckled at the random cat walking around in the control room lol

Right, he had that in the sample video a few months back


One of Het's cats is called Tabs of course :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2016, 04:53:55 PM
In college, we named our hamster Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2016, 05:12:24 PM
I once had a rabbit and I named it Colonel Carrot :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: eric42434224 on October 04, 2016, 04:27:30 AM
In college, we named our hamster Kirk.

When it died did you cry Wah Wah Wah?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2016, 05:04:41 AM
Reading some of my posts in this thread.

I was really tired of the band 3 years ago :lol


Really excited about the new album now though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 04, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
https://metallica.com/videos/31510/hardwired-live-on-the-howard-stern-show

"We wrote this in like a week"....well that explains a lot!  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2016, 09:13:38 AM
It really doesn't.

You're implying that the longer you spend on a song - the better it is.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on October 04, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

So does he just do the solos?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

Since? Pretty sure he wrote a decent amount of riffs on the Loads, St. Anger and DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
I think he just does solos on Hardwired. Which is all he did up until Load, Reload & St. Anger anyway.

On Death Magnetic - James went back to recording all rhythms again.

Which also means he didn't play a note on the studio version of Nothing Else Matters.

I know he wrote riffs as well but it looks like none of his ideas were used this time...


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 10:19:06 AM
Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 04, 2016, 10:28:10 AM
Moth Into Flame is fucking awesome.

I haven't been so excited for something Metallica-related in several years. I'm ready for this album.

It's funny to think that the band that wrote this also wrote Lols of Summer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 04, 2016, 10:30:30 AM
Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.

Well on DM, they took a more collaborative approach to the writing, so based on that, he probably wanted to bring ideas to the table.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2016, 10:53:20 AM
Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.

I think this is BS. Why would you only keep them on your iPhone and nowhere else ? How would Kirk not have some kind of portastudio or home studio to make his own demoes ? ***

Maybe he decided early on that he wasn't going to write anything for the album and they came up with the phone story as a cover ?

And how many voice notes can an iPhone hold anyway ? They'd be awful quality too..

Something doesn't add up...





*** - In fact they record very single jam they do on tour and Kirk didn't play ONE of his own riffs in that time ? Yeah Right.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 11:15:14 AM
Seems like a silly thing to lie about, since he doesn't have to say anything at all. No one is sitting around clamoring for Kirk to write riffs.

So I think he was being honest, even if he handles his ideas differently than you or others would.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2016, 11:44:19 AM
Hundreds of riffs?  For this one album? 

The Riffmaster General, Tony Iommi, has barely written "hundreds of riffs" in his entire career.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on October 04, 2016, 11:46:23 AM
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

Are you for real??   :facepalm:

Kirk has numerous writing credits on some of Metallica's greatest songs. He contributed riffs to Trapped Under Ice, Master of Puppets, Damage Inc (the fucking incredible middle section one), Hero of the Day... and that's just to name a handful out of dozens of songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 11:47:23 AM
Hundreds of riffs?  For this one album? 

The Riffmaster General, Tony Iommi, has barely written "hundreds of riffs" in his entire career.

He said 250 musical ideas. I'm sure at least 250 of them are chugging on E and old school thrash ideas that are usually chugging on E as well. But yea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2016, 12:06:36 PM
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.

Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..

What has he done since then ?

Are you for real??   :facepalm:

Kirk has numerous writing credits on some of Metallica's greatest songs. He contributed riffs to Trapped Under Ice, Master of Puppets, Damage Inc (the fucking incredible middle section one), Hero of the Day... and that's just to name a handful out of dozens of songs.

I meant that since Sandman - has he come up with anything AS iconic ? I know he did that one riff in My Apocalypse that James really liked. .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 12:10:32 PM
As iconic as Sandman? No.

Neither has Hetfield.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on October 04, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
Okay, but nothing since Sandman has been as iconic, so that's kind of an unfair comparison.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 05, 2016, 04:55:59 AM
So Metallica consider Hardwired to be their 11th studio album - counting Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album I guess.

It's still their 10th album of original material though...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on October 05, 2016, 08:39:29 AM
I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...

I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!

Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.

Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.

By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.

I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.

And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.

To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.

So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
Great Post, Mask!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2016, 09:27:07 AM
Great Post, Mask!

Yea, I feel a lot of what Mask wrote as a kid in the 90s listening to Metallica as my first metal band. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 05, 2016, 11:05:46 AM
I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...

I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!

Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.

Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.

By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.

I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.

And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.

To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.

So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.

It's because they need to go into 'therapy' during each writing session... 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on October 05, 2016, 11:46:23 AM
I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...

I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!

Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.

Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.

By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.

I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.

And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.

To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.

So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.

Agreed. Great post and it really sums up my feelings well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Lax on October 07, 2016, 12:44:07 AM
I have been a fan from youth to S&M, that was a huge blast to me.
Discovering DT just wiped Metallica out, especially considering albums released like st anger.
I didn't like DM.

Today, I like what I'm hearing, but I have no hype, maybe I'll get surprised listening to the album.
It's too microwaved for me, once you had the fresh taste :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 07, 2016, 10:16:10 AM
I know people are trying to forget this album ever existed, but I'm listening to Lulu in its entirety for the first time in years.

It still fascinates me. Any appreciation at all?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 07, 2016, 10:38:02 AM
I know people are trying to forget this album ever existed, but I'm listening to Lulu in its entirety for the first time in years.

It still fascinates me. Any appreciation at all?

Nope
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2016, 10:38:06 AM
I appreciate it.

I'm not adverse to weirdness.

Besides - if you listen to it as a Lou Reed album which just happens to have Metallica playing on it - then it's ok.

It's not the fucking Yoko Ono Band levels of terrible or even Metal Machine Music.

I think the main reason people hate it so much is because they acted like it was the actual 10th Metallica album and Lou Reed was the new lead singer.

Those of us who already knew what Lou Reed sounded like were like "....um yeah it's a lou reed album what did you expect ? :lol "

There are some downright awesome moments on it - The View actually gave me goosebumps when I first heard it. The Dragon and Frustration riffs are KILLER.

If Lulu was *JUST* a Lou Reed album and didn't feature Metallica at all then it would just be released and nobody would ever mention it.

Apparently actual Lou reed fans really like it.

But because Metallica were the backing band - it exposed Lou Reed and his "voice" to Metallica fans who were like " LOL GRAMPTALLICA "




I saw one reaction video which went as far to say " james vocals are also shit and the guitar sound is fucking awful and the drums sound shit too "

Which is really not true. The production on Lulu is massive. All the instruments sound great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 07, 2016, 11:15:25 AM
Those are some very good points. The thing is, I was initially thrown off by everything about it, but after a little while I started to get fascinated by Lou Reed's storytelling devices. I wasn't too familiar with his work at the time so I made a special note of it. Just last year I became a massive The Velvet Underground fan, and over the last several months got crazily into albums like Berlin and Transformer. It helped me appreciate Lulu even more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Yes it is just Lou reed talking over Metallica jamming.

But Lou has never been a singer.

I think - if you're going to criticise it - you should criticise it as a Lou Reed album. Not as a Metallica album which has Lou on lead vocals.

If Lulu was the 10th Metallica studio album - the actual follow up to Death Magnetic - and Lou Reed had joined metallica permanently as lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist...

Then the hatred would be warranted.



Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on October 07, 2016, 12:08:18 PM
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.

A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on October 07, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
I still think that's why they did the collaboration to begin with. They both have some of the most opinionated passionate fans in the world, they probably wanted to piss off both fanbases.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2016, 12:13:22 PM
I can see Lars totally wanting to do it as he's kind of a bohemian and a jazz fan and art fan.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 07, 2016, 02:51:59 PM
Lulu has a couple of good songs. Just don't remember which ones. The weird creepy experimental ones. Those actually work with Lou Reed's vocals. I think any experimental music fan could appreciate those songs. Or maybe it's just one song, I don't remember.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 07, 2016, 05:22:16 PM
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.

A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.

That's a super judgmental perspective. I like weird music just fine. I just didn't like Lulu. It's possible to just not dig something without it being due to ignorance or stubbornness or anything like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.

A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.

It's possible to just not dig something without it being due to ignorance or stubbornness or anything like that.

Indeed. But mostly the reaction was ROFL OLD MAN rmabling over metallica jamming I AM TEH TABLEE!!!!1111 LOLOLOLOL


have you never heard of METAPHORS ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 07, 2016, 05:31:21 PM
To be fair, whatever the intention, Hatfield yelling I AM THE TABLE over and over was pretty funny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2016, 05:33:48 PM
On a surface level, sure.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
I appreciate Lulu for giving Botchamania more material.

Also, you don't have to be a Metallica fan or a Lou Reed fan to be turned off by the style of Lulu. Not every mass opinion is from bandwagoning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2016, 08:00:24 PM


Also, you don't have to be a Metallica fan or a Lou Reed fan to be turned off by the style of Lulu. Not every mass opinion is from bandwagoning.

Exactly.  It's a shitty record by just about any measure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on October 08, 2016, 01:15:24 AM
It's the delivery that makes I Am The Table funny, not so much the content. Similar effect as the "my music player" thing on The Astonishing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 08, 2016, 02:42:34 AM
I still think that's why they did the collaboration to begin with. They both have some of the most opinionated passionate fans in the world, they probably wanted to piss off both fanbases.
Very well said. Both Metallica and Lou Reed fans can get very critical and negative. There was no way to steer the project in such direction that would please the fans to begin with. From the get go, it was obvious that people would have trouble with it. But that's what enabled them to be completely free and spontaneous, I think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on October 08, 2016, 11:15:16 AM
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.

A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.

That's a super judgmental perspective. I like weird music just fine. I just didn't like Lulu. It's possible to just not dig something without it being due to ignorance or stubbornness or anything like that.

That's completely fair. I meant it in terms of the extremes on both sides. Granted, it can be said about almost any artist's fanbase, but I feel Metallica and Lou Reed's were among the most toxic, at least at the time of Lulu's release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 08, 2016, 11:18:30 AM
https://youtu.be/tj3XWYQoQio?t=2m24s


This is worse.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: eric42434224 on October 08, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
https://youtu.be/tj3XWYQoQio?t=2m24s

This is worse.

I havent heard Lulu, but I would not call it a ringing endorsement if you have to point to that and say "This is worse."
I think I will pass on ever listening to Lulu.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 08, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 08, 2016, 11:57:37 AM
https://youtu.be/tj3XWYQoQio?t=2m24s


This is worse.


Hmmm, not so sure it was. Of course I didn't listen to the whole thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 09, 2016, 07:54:57 AM
If Moth Into Flame was on ...And Justice For All:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TBfBDeCPo
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on October 09, 2016, 10:07:40 AM
I appreciate Lulu for giving Botchamania more material.bandwagoning.
JEEZUS
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
If Moth Into Flame was on ...And Justice For All:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TBfBDeCPo

Those guitars - they sound like your sinuses are all blocked up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 09, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
If Moth Into Flame was on ...And Justice For All:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TBfBDeCPo

Those guitars - they sound like your sinuses are all blocked up.

How do you know about my sinuses?!?!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2016, 03:19:49 PM
I know 3 things.

Your sinuses

Sky is up

ground is down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 12, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-photos-from-new-video-shoot/

Another video coming, my guess is for Murder One.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 12, 2016, 10:36:35 AM
They've done videos for 5 songs in total. Nobody knows which order they're coming out or for what song this current video is for.

Confirmed videos = Dream No More and Now That We're Dead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 12, 2016, 11:07:40 AM
They've done videos for 5 songs in total. Nobody knows which order they're coming out or for what song this current video is for.

Confirmed videos = Dream No More and Now That We're Dead.

Goddamn....they're on a roll!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 12, 2016, 11:45:04 AM
Wow, I wonder if they are going to do a video for each song?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 12, 2016, 12:23:58 PM
Who knows.

Maybe they are or they want to finish up all the videos before they head out on tour so the label can dish them out one at a time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on October 12, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
I guess I don't understand why they are making so many videos. They don't need the publicity. Maybe they wanted to make another video collection to sell? It's their money, but seems unnecessary to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 12, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
Maybe they're super proud of this new album and want to promote the shit out of it to let everyone know that they're back .

And this time the production is great too.

IMO - lots of people use YouTube to listen to music. Why not do a budget video for each song on the album instead of just streaming the audio ?

It'll probably bring in more revenue if people are watching all the videos.

I dunno i can think of a few reasons...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on October 12, 2016, 01:29:16 PM
Maybe they're super proud of this new album and want to promote the shit out of it to let everyone know that they're back .

And this time the production is great too.

IMO - lots of people use YouTube to listen to music. Why not do a budget video for each song on the album instead of just streaming the audio ?

It'll probably bring in more revenue if people are watching all the videos.

All of these combined, probably.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 12, 2016, 01:32:37 PM
It makes sense to do lots of low budget videos instead of wasting all your money on one massive production.

The video for Hardwired is great and took them 9 takes and was on line two days later.

They did Moth Into Flame and Dream No More in the same day.

I don't know how much the video for " The Day That Never Comes " cost but i'll bet it was a lot.

For my bro to do a video like Moth Into Flame - he would charge about £5,000 at the most.

If Metallica spend *roughly* $5,000 a video that's $60,000 for all the songs on the album.

If each of those videos gets hundreds of thousands of youtube views they might even recoup it instead of one video that cost like $100,000.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 12, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Maybe they're super proud of this new album and want to promote the shit out of it to let everyone know that they're back .

And this time the production is great too.

IMO - lots of people use YouTube to listen to music. Why not do a budget video for each song on the album instead of just streaming the audio ?

It'll probably bring in more revenue if people are watching all the videos.

All of these combined, probably.

Not only that, but the label makes ad money from youtube.  Releasing all these videos at low budget could potentially turn a small profit, none the less also add exposure and increase album sales.

If a band can do it, why not?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 12, 2016, 04:45:41 PM
They did Moth Into Flame and Dream No More in the same day

How do you know all this?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 12, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
So What!

:lol

It's all on the MetClub news side...

When they relaunched the official website - they made the MetClub free so I joined of course.

Access to all the exclusive videos and stuff from over the years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 12, 2016, 04:48:11 PM
So What!

:lol

It's all on the MetClub news side...

Hmm I need to look into this stuff more
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 12, 2016, 04:48:42 PM
So What!

:lol

It's all on the MetClub news side...

Hmm I need to look into this stuff more


Met Club is free now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 13, 2016, 07:12:55 AM
Yeah So What! stuff on Metallica.com is awesome, I joined the MetClub when they made it free too. They have been doing a great job giving behind the scenes type content through this promo cycle.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 13, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
Plus there's loads of free audio downloads.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 13, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
So far we've had videos for

Hardwired.
Moth into flame.

Confirmed videos :

Dream no more.
Now that we're dead.

Rumoured videos ( from fans who attended the shoots ) :

Atlas, Rise!
Halo On Fire.


That's basically all of disc 1. Maybe they're doing vids for every song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
I think they should troll everyone and make a brand new video for Jump in the Fire.

Not a recording mind you, but the original 1983 recording, but a new video of them lipsyncing to it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 13, 2016, 06:46:40 PM
If they're gonna release any more songs before the album is released, I hope it's only one more. I don't want to have the whole thing spoiled  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2016, 01:01:54 AM
I think they should troll everyone and make a brand new video for Jump in the Fire.

Not a recording mind you, but the original 1983 recording, but a new video of them lipsyncing to it.

Now I actually want this to happen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 24, 2016, 09:31:11 AM
Metallica to release "Atlas, Rise!" On October 31st.

Nice!  Three songs to hold me over til the album.

 :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 27, 2016, 06:15:58 PM
www.metallica.com/atlasrise

Short teaser of Atlas Rise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 27, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
www.metallica.com/atlasrise

Short teaser of Atlas Rise.

Sounds pretty good to my ears! :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 27, 2016, 06:29:23 PM
Eh that was the most DM sounding song yet (of the whole almost 3 we got). Didn't really dig it, and the production sounded way worse than the other two, but I'll just assume that's due to whatever they used to put in online and the album version will be fine.

Either way, meh.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 28, 2016, 07:03:49 AM
Eh that was the most DM sounding song yet (of the whole almost 3 we got). Didn't really dig it, and the production sounded way worse than the other two, but I'll just assume that's due to whatever they used to put in online and the album version will be fine.

Either way, meh.

I really, really liked Moth and thought Hardwired was pretty cool. But I feel like you do about this preview. Very DMish sound, and I agree the production doesn't sound as good, hopefully that won't be the case like you said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on October 28, 2016, 09:24:56 AM
I wouldn't say it sounds that DM-ish, just less metal than the others ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 28, 2016, 03:25:03 PM
Totally random but this might be the best tribute band poster i've seen:

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14570292_656691711165285_6552066659309562009_n.jpg?oh=a45e2cf4d0bd0c46b3c87b8abbe77472&oe=5886BB75)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 28, 2016, 06:49:07 PM
Haha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on October 29, 2016, 08:17:35 PM
Can't believe Metallica is coming to play a show here in Hong Kong next January for the first time EVER! Lucky me I got tickets for the show in the standing area already. The standing area sold out within 2 hours!  :metal

(https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14666277_1329427963768719_7322318626002340726_n.jpg?oh=96e046ebc50b07ff4f9561ba93879ad4&oe=588A20B4)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on October 30, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
I can't believe how good this sounds.

Hit the Lights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9hbzV2dYgc
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 30, 2016, 11:44:16 PM
I can't believe how good this sounds.

Hit the Lights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9hbzV2dYgc

James sounded good! Lars was mostly on too.

Did he say "Sitar!!" at one point?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 31, 2016, 01:52:45 AM
Damn, James was slaying it. Lars was trying too hard, but he kept it together and on tempo. Hammett wasn't bad either. That would have been such a cool show to see. I still never around to watching the entire thing.

And it definitely sounded like he said sitar. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 01:57:43 AM
I think yelling out ethnic instruments should be a new thing for him.

"Didgeridoo!!!"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 06:02:02 AM
Lars is really solid at that gig. Kirk is really bad. Although he has improved a lot since then...maybe he switched to lighter strings.

p.s. this whole gig is on Disc 3 of Hardwired...To Self Destruct.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 06:38:48 AM
Metallica are doing a music video for every track on the album for You Tube purposes.

https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/metallica-shakes-it-up

Makes sense to me. If you're the type of person that doesn't care about audio quality and listen to music primarily on YouTube - you may as well have a video to watch instead

of just streaming the new album. Plus more views = more revenue.

The videos for Hardwired and Moth Into Flame combined have got around 30 million views as it is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 07:06:22 AM
Metallica are doing a music video for every track on the album for You Tube purposes.

https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/metallica-shakes-it-up

Makes sense to me. If you're the type of person that doesn't care about audio quality and listen to music primarily on YouTube - you may as well have a video to watch instead

of just streaming the new album. Plus more views = more revenue.

The videos for Hardwired and Moth Into Flame combined have got around 30 million views as it is.

Ah, so they finally confirmed it, that's cool. The first couple videos they released have been good, fairly simply performance videos, nice added bonus to the release of the singles themselves.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
And on top of that - there is " Behind The Scenes " for both the songwriting in the studio and the video shoot itself.

Lots of cool content :)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 07:09:21 AM
Oh yeah for sure. I've been impressed with the amount of content they are generating to promote this album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 07:11:26 AM
I was hoping for a nice long Making Of like we got for Death Magnetic but this will do too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 07:12:29 AM
I was hoping for a nice long Making Of like we got for Death Magnetic but this will do too.

Well, the making of Moth was almost like 10 minutes, right? So if they do that for every song, you've easily got 2 hours of footage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2016, 09:23:39 AM
That's pretty cool to make a video for every song, I guess they think this album is going to be pretty solid all around.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on October 31, 2016, 10:23:37 AM
I hope that will be the case! One may not like Hardwired and Moth to the Flame, but I'd hardly call these songs an embaressment and a travesty, they're solid metal songs. An album of consistent material without cringeworth or WTF moments would be very welcomed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 10:42:24 AM
Also - i dunno about anyone else but i find that a video for a slightly weaker song helps you enjoy it more.

Just me ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cruithne on October 31, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
Doing a video for every song sounds pretty smart to me. Let's face it, they're going to end up on YouTube one way or another these days so why not take control of the YouTube content and have the videos on your own channel generating ad-revenue for you?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 11:06:31 AM
Doing a video for every song sounds pretty smart to me. Let's face it, they're going to end up on YouTube one way or another these days so why not take control of the YouTube content and have the videos on your own channel generating ad-revenue for you?

This. Hardwired & Moth have clocked up nearly 30 million views already. At worst it'll probably end up paying what it cost to make 12 videos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 11:41:48 AM
Doing a video for every song sounds pretty smart to me. Let's face it, they're going to end up on YouTube one way or another these days so why not take control of the YouTube content and have the videos on your own channel generating ad-revenue for you?

This. Hardwired & Moth have clocked up nearly 30 million views already. At worst it'll probably end up paying what it cost to make 12 videos.

Yup, when you are a band as big as Metallica you can actually stand a chance to make profit on videos on YouTube like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
Atlas Rise is out now.

On first listen i'd put it just below Moth. Plays the intro riff a bit too often.

Nice production though. Thankfully.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 01:21:01 PM
Atlas Rise is out now.

On first listen i'd put it just below Moth. Plays the intro riff a bit too often.

Nice production though. Thankfully.

I just listened to it twice on Spotify. My initial reaction is that it's not as good as Moth but better than Hardwired. I like it. Production is good, cool riffs throughout, Het sounds freaking awesome. I'm really looking forward to this album, I feel like it might be their best studio album in a long while for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 01:22:42 PM
Based on the three tracks so far I think it will absolutely be their finest album since METALLICA.


My favourite thing so far is that - the people who attended listening parties - have said that it contains sounds from throughout their career including some Reload weirdness.

Yes !!!!!!! Where The Wild Things Are, Carpe Diem baby..more of that !

And that the final track "Spit Out The Bone" is absolutely brutal and there are also some super-slow Sad But True style stompers.

:2metal:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
Based on the three tracks so far I think it will absolutely be their finest album since METALLICA.


My favourite thing so far is that - the people who attended listening parties - have said that it contains sounds from throughout their career including some Reload weirdness.

Yes !!!!!!! Where The Wild Things Are, Carpe Diem baby..more of that !

And that the final track "Spit Out The Bone" is absolutely brutal and there are also some super-slow Sad But True style stompers.

:2metal:

That's all good to hear. And I'd agree, based on the three songs we've heard so far this might be their best studio album of original material since TBA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
Dug the song a lot more than I thought I would based on the sample. Not super catchy, but really well made and actually the tightest they've sounded in like 20 years.


Of course, none of these songs are as good as the Load/ReLoad stuff to me, but for their just metal stuff, it's really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on October 31, 2016, 01:45:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFAcOnhcpGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFAcOnhcpGA)

Not as immediate as the previous two songs released, but I'm liking it. It's shaping up to be their best album since the Load/Reload days IMHO if it continues like this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 01:48:54 PM
This is what we needed after 8 years.

Not another album of cut and paste thrash by numbers with god awful sound quality.

Even though I do like Death Magnetic a lot. These 3 songs have much better arrangements overall.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 31, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
Wow the unison thing around 4:20 is awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 02:09:11 PM
Wow the unison thing around 4:20 is awesome.

Yeah everyone can agree on that at least. I just bought it from iTunes.

"Today we’re proud to bring you the third and final sneak peek from the album"

Glad this is the last single before the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 31, 2016, 02:20:05 PM
Pretty cool song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on October 31, 2016, 02:53:21 PM
I'd call this a bit overlong, but boy that bridge hook is great. It's a bit unfortunate that some of James's riffs are so dull, considering nothing else is going on there. The dual guitar melodies are nice though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 03:06:38 PM
I'm happy. To be fair this is probably the best we can expect from them at this point.

There's 9 more songs to come. 10 if you include the 2016 studio version of Lords of Summer on Disc 3.

Apparently the album is varied too. I bet they released the most old school sounding ones first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 03:12:06 PM
Given how the last two albums were described before release, I don't put much stock into all the descriptions we're getting.

I'm considering the unheard songs to be mysteries till I hear them. They will probably be a lot like what we've heard, even if some are a bit slower, but I doubt we'll be getting any "Where the Wild Things Are" type stuff ever again. I'm okay with that, I can always listen to Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 03:14:03 PM
Just listened to all three tracks on my good headphones.

They're great. For me - they're so much better than Death Magnetic. The nice crisp and fat production really helps too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 31, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
Atlas Rise  :metal

Count me in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 03:17:39 PM
Atlas Rise  :metal

Count me in.

1...2...3...4...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 31, 2016, 03:28:10 PM
Atlas Rise  :metal

Count me in.

1...2...3...4...

:rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 03:37:30 PM
Can I also just say that I loved that video? It has a real life to it.

I love that most of the visuals are of them not performing correctly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 31, 2016, 03:38:24 PM
I've only listened to maybe 5 Iron Maiden songs ever and I still recognize the huge influence on the chorus, not just influence actually it sounds stolen but I can't name the Maiden song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 03:43:20 PM
I've only listened to maybe 5 Iron Maiden songs ever and I still recognize the huge influence on the chorus, not just influence actually it sounds stolen but I can't name the Maiden song.

Other people are saying Hallowed Be Thy Name.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 31, 2016, 03:47:23 PM
Just checked it out, yes that's sounds about right!
Man that song is good, I really need to get into Maiden.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 31, 2016, 03:52:23 PM
I think I maybe like the most out of the three so far. I watched the video and all I could think is that Het is the coolest guy and Lars is the polar opposite  :lol he's so uncool it's funny.

I'm not hugely hyped on the album but I try not to let myself get too excited. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised though  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
Because the video is basically an in the studio montage - guess that means there's no "Behind The Scenes" of the video this time :(

Hopefully there is still a "Behind The Scenes" of writing the song...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 31, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
I'm hoping it leaks sometime next week. The Green Day album leaked 12 or 13 days before release day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 31, 2016, 04:04:08 PM
I say fuck yeah to Atlas, Rise! Absolutely killer!! I'm more than ready for this album!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 04:08:42 PM
I'm hoping it leaks sometime next week. The Green Day album leaked 12 or 13 days before release day.

I dunno how I feel about RevRad. It's *good* but it didn't blow me away. Plus it's fucking loud.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 31, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I thought it was a decent effort, I enjoyed it thoroughly. If the trilogy was combined into one album it would be a better album than RevRad though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on October 31, 2016, 04:25:47 PM
I wasn't blown away by the first two tracks. Atlas, Rise! might be the most interesting thing they've released in about 20 years, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 31, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
I thought it was a decent effort, I enjoyed it thoroughly. If the trilogy was combined into one album it would be a better album than RevRad though.

Yes. One album and heavier guitars. Say Goodbye is just Holiday again. Bang Bang, Revolution Radio, Forever Now, Bouncing Off The Walls and Too Dumb To Die are Great.

Too Dumb To Die easily has my fave chorus on the album apart from " If this is what you call the good life " bit in Forever Now....




METALLICA!!! Cannot wait for the album. Seriously gonna be playing it all day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2016, 04:46:54 PM
I've only listened to maybe 5 Iron Maiden songs ever and I still recognize the huge influence on the chorus, not just influence actually it sounds stolen but I can't name the Maiden song.

Other people are saying Hallowed Be Thy Name.

hmm so the best IM song... Just got home from work so time to watch the videos.  But I read talk of harmonizing guitars which I'd imagine is where the IM comparison is coming from.  I'll find out myself...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 04:55:53 PM
I didn't hear Hallowed be Thy Name,  but I definitely noticed Maiden on the first listen.


Totally cool with it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 31, 2016, 04:58:13 PM
Haven't decided how much I like the song, but damn this is the closest they've sounded in style to early Metallica since... well, early Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2016, 04:59:15 PM
The end of the guitar solo sounded a bit like IM, but I certainly, on the overall feel, didn't notice a huge IM influence.   Sounded more like a better DM type of song.  Pretty solid overall.  I'd put it in the middle of the 3 songs released with Moth Into Flame as the best so far.  Granted, it was only one listen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 05:05:34 PM
I think I'm also just not a big fan of Hetfields current vocal style. I feel like he's just yelling a lot these days. Hard to specify what makes it different from the older stuff, but it's a very different style.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on October 31, 2016, 08:30:43 PM
All the three songs released so far have been consistently good. Really liking Atlas, Rise! as well, probably my favourite song of those three.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 31, 2016, 08:36:24 PM
Hm, so what do you guys think the odds are that this is the last Metallica studio album?

Given their ages, and how long it takes them to do one, they'll be in their 60's the next time they'd release one (if they stick to their current schedule).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 31, 2016, 10:08:17 PM
I didn't even last two minutes into this song. Yet another song of forgettable riffing and the same phoned in vocal melody. Hetfield isn't even trying with these vocals at all. It's becoming a joke at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2016, 05:25:24 AM
I didn't dig the first few minutes either and I agree with Blob a bit in regards to James' vocals.  He just sounds too pretty and clean or something.  I will say the riff before the generic Kirk solo was absolutely killer.  And all the IM comparison talk over a 20 second section is a little much IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2016, 05:32:31 AM
The review embargo lifts today. Reviews are coming in. Apparently there's some really melodic - almost poppy songs - on this album. Also some slow and moody tracks.

I bet they deliberately put out the most Metallica sounding ones first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on November 01, 2016, 05:34:22 AM
That new song is far too long for what it contains.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on November 01, 2016, 05:34:58 AM
That new song is far too long for what it contains.

I understand the Iron Maiden comparisons now  ;D  :angel:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2016, 05:42:11 AM
That new song is far too long for what it contains.

I understand the Iron Maiden comparisons now  ;D  :angel:

Iron Maiden is my all time fav band, but this comment is legit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 01, 2016, 05:44:52 AM
New song is kinda meh. Pales in comparison to Moth Into Flame and I agree that it offers way too little for its runtime.

Still interested in hearing the album though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2016, 07:03:08 AM
I like Atlas Rise more with each listen. Sounds better in headphones imo.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on November 01, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
What does Kirk play on the albums besides the solo's? What does he play live besides solo's? Adds to James' rhythm guitar playing?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 01, 2016, 08:21:29 PM
What does Kirk play on the albums besides the solo's? What does he play live besides solo's? Adds to James' rhythm guitar playing?

Seems to be just solos on the studio recordings, although they seemed to be more democratic on the recording of St. Anger, and he has contributed rhythm ideas in the writing stages (i.e. "Enter Sandman"), so don't assume recording = contributions solely.

Live, yeah, he doubles the rhythms in between solos, and obviously does the harmony parts. Hilariously, because his rhythm playing is so sloppy, he tends to get mixed lower when playing rhythm – listen to S&M and you'll hear what I mean when his guitar (right channel) ducks significantly lower when he plays rhythm.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 01, 2016, 09:08:24 PM
Just watched the new video. Are they ever going to let Rob be heard? It's ridiculous.

Notepad: you've never seen footage of Metallica live? Kirk does what EVERY lead player does, plays rhythm when not soloing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2016, 09:19:32 PM
What does Kirk play on the albums besides the solo's? What does he play live besides solo's? Adds to James' rhythm guitar playing?

Seems to be just solos on the studio recordings, although they seemed to be more democratic on the recording of St. Anger, and he has contributed rhythm ideas in the writing stages (i.e. "Enter Sandman"), so don't assume recording = contributions solely.

Live, yeah, he doubles the rhythms in between solos, and obviously does the harmony parts. Hilariously, because his rhythm playing is so sloppy, he tends to get mixed lower when playing rhythm – listen to S&M and you'll hear what I mean when his guitar (right channel) ducks significantly lower when he plays rhythm.

Really? I can't say for S&M since the guitars are so low anyway, but I've heard a lot of live recordings where he is the loudest and is usually right on with James.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 01, 2016, 09:39:07 PM
Adami and Dream Team are correct, I know this from 20 years of geeky fandom and a shit ton of So What interviews and fan club videos.
After a few listens to Atlas Rise I'm realizing I have 3 problems with this otherwise great song:
1- The first minute or so is a deformed mess of nothingness.
2- No vocal harmonies, Moth Into Flame gave me hope that James is back recording back vocal harmonies which was sorely missed on DM but apparently it's not on all songs of the new album.
3- I know I've reached the conclusion earlier that the chorus closely resembles Hallowed By Thy Name but something is still not right, it sounds like a song Metallica has covered and they've never covered Hallowed By Thy Name, sounds like something from Garage Inc. but I still can't figure it out. Either way the rip off removes me from the mood of "the new Metallica" song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 01, 2016, 11:19:47 PM
There's a new Green Day album out?

Oh and I enjoyed Atlas. Cant' wait for the album to drop
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 02, 2016, 12:44:32 AM
Yeah Jay, it's called Revolution Radio.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 06:13:59 AM
2 weeks to Hardwired...To Self Destruct.


They played Atlas,Rise! last night in Bogota and there's a *decent* crowd video of it. Sounds like they nailed it. I also like Lars new Purple Sparkle kit with the black resonant tom heads.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 02, 2016, 06:53:51 AM
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 07:16:31 AM
Lars said they wouldn't debut any songs live without releasing them first.

Because your first opinion would be of a phone quality recording.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2016, 08:30:04 AM
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.

Yea, it's interesting to see the different approaches two of the biggest metal bands have taken to releasing their new music.  (Avenged Sevenfold being the other band).   Metallica is definitely capitalizing on releasing a new music video and then immediately performing the new song at some huge concert. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 02, 2016, 09:14:20 AM
2- No vocal harmonies, Moth Into Flame gave me hope that James is back recording back vocal harmonies which was sorely missed on DM but apparently it's not on all songs of the new album.

Umm, there are a couple harmonies here and there, not many, not mixed loud, but there are a couple. Your point still stands, at least with me, because I wish there were more and that they were more predominant.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.

Yea, it's interesting to see the different approaches two of the biggest metal bands have taken to releasing their new music.  (Avenged Sevenfold being the other band).   Metallica is definitely capitalizing on releasing a new music video and then immediately performing the new song at some huge concert.

Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica? 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 02, 2016, 09:59:37 AM
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?

Nope, they aren't.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on November 02, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
I really liked DM, but it wasn't until recently that I realized that I realized It was missing vocal harmonies. I'm really hoping they include that element on this album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 10:16:30 AM
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?

Nope, they aren't.

I think they're awful. Massively generic. I'd put Trivium way above them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 02, 2016, 10:30:39 AM
Lars said they wouldn't debut any songs live without releasing them first.

Because your first opinion would be of a phone quality recording.

Another smart move, I remember also Portnoy was keen on this. I believe it was during the pre- Train of Thought days that bad sounding samples were leaked and he was angry over that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2016, 10:44:47 AM
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.

Yea, it's interesting to see the different approaches two of the biggest metal bands have taken to releasing their new music.  (Avenged Sevenfold being the other band).   Metallica is definitely capitalizing on releasing a new music video and then immediately performing the new song at some huge concert.

Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?

No one is, but I'd argue they are the second biggest current American metal band out there behind Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 10:49:57 AM
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?

Nope, they aren't.

I think they're awful. Massively generic. I'd put Trivium way above them.

I mean in that style of modern metal. Mastodon are easily 2nd for me. Easy. It's not even close.

I just checked Wikipedia and had no idea AX7 sold so many records.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 02, 2016, 10:53:08 AM
Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.

Whether you like their music is something different entirely
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 11:05:52 AM
Indeed. I find them incredibly bland and generic.


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 11:14:49 AM
Reviews for the new Metallica album suggest that overall the album isn't all like Hardwired or even Moth. It has a lot more slower, groovy Sad But True style songs and Reload style

experiments.

FINE. BY. ME.

The fast songs should feel natural and a lot of Death Magnetic did not.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 02, 2016, 11:15:20 AM
I definitely don't find them bland or generic even remotely, but I totally get why people wouldn't dig them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on November 02, 2016, 11:37:05 AM
Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.

Whether you like their music is something different entirely
A7X might be the only current Metal band that can fill up some of the larger venues Maiden and Metallica play in the USA. Since at least the Nightmare tour, they've played the same venue here in Denver that Maiden were playing from 2003 to 2012. I assume they are nowhere near as popular in Europe.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 02, 2016, 11:41:26 AM
Well it's agreed that A7X aren't (and probably never will be) at the same level as Metallica. I can't see any metal band reaching that status nowadays. The music industry has changed too much. Well that's a conversation we've all had a million times.

There is no denying that A7X are a big name in metal though. I think it's fair to compare their latest releases and the way they have been marketed. I love both bands but A7X's new album is great and I'll be highly (and pleasantly) surprised if Metallica release a better album. To be clear, Metallica have been my #1 band for most of my life. I pray they do release an incredible album this time around though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 02, 2016, 11:51:26 AM
Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.

Whether you like their music is something different entirely
A7X might be the only current Metal band that can fill up some of the larger venues Maiden and Metallica play in the USA. Since at least the Nightmare tour, they've played the same venue here in Denver that Maiden were playing from 2003 to 2012. I assume they are nowhere near as popular in Europe.


I can't say for sure because it might have to deal with booking agencies wanting Avenged Sevenfold to play in Amsterdam really badly or something. As far as I can tell the fanbase in Europe is pretty big, but they're not filling arenas. When I saw them it was in Ziggo Dome which has a capacity of 17k. The show was sold out, but they would probably not be able to play arenas.

I love both bands but A7X's new album is great and I'll be highly (and pleasantly) surprised if Metallica release a better album.
Same here. I really like Moth and Hardwired is a solid rocker, and I still believe that they'll put out a great album, but The Stage is on a different level man.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 02, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Reviews for the new Metallica album suggest that overall the album isn't all like Hardwired or even Moth. It has a lot more slower, groovy Sad But True style songs and Reload style

experiments.

FINE. BY. ME.

The fast songs should feel natural and a lot of Death Magnetic did not.

I'm aware of only 2 fast songs on DM: Nightmare and Apocalypse. Are those the 2 you are referring to? The only 2 with double-time drumming.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 11:57:44 AM
That Was Just Your Life is pretty fast too.

But the arrangements on DM were not the best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 02, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
Other than how it sounds, I really don't have any issue with DM. Not a fan of the instrumental.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
LETS DO THIS

Rate The Instrumentals you !!!

1. Orion - no question

2. Ktulu

3. Suicide & Redemption

4. To Live Is To Die

5. Anaesthesia
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 02, 2016, 12:12:15 PM
I've never liked A7X that much, but that new album has definitely won me over. Nothing generic about it really.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
I've never liked A7X that much, but that new album has definitely won me over. Nothing generic about it really.

I tried Hail To The King and it just made me laugh mostly at how similar Shepherd of Fire is to Enter Sandman and how much This Means War wants to be Sad But True.

I think I tried a few other songs but they did pretty much nothing for me.

I really don't like the intro to The Stage. Super fast drumming with lightning tom fills doesn't automatically make a song good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 02, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
I've never liked A7X that much, but that new album has definitely won me over. Nothing generic about it really.

I tried Hail To The King and it just made me laugh mostly at how similar Shepherd of Fire is to Enter Sandman and how much This Means War wants to be Sad But True.

I think I tried a few other songs but they did pretty much nothing for me.

I really don't like the intro to The Stage. Super fast drumming with lightning tom fills doesn't automatically make a song good.

To this day I've only listened to HTTK once  :lol definitely don't judge the band based on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 02, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
1: Orion
2: The Call of Ktulu
3: Suicide & Redemption
4: To Live is to Die
5: (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 02, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
And if we're rating the instrumentals:

1. Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Anaesthesia
5. Suicide and Redemption

I want numbers 1-3 played at my funeral. Always have, always will  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 02, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
The Call Of Ktulu
Orion
Suicide & Redemption
To Live Is To Die
Anesthesia
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2016, 12:23:53 PM
Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.

Whether you like their music is something different entirely
A7X might be the only current Metal band that can fill up some of the larger venues Maiden and Metallica play in the USA. Since at least the Nightmare tour, they've played the same venue here in Denver that Maiden were playing from 2003 to 2012. I assume they are nowhere near as popular in Europe.


I can't say for sure because it might have to deal with booking agencies wanting Avenged Sevenfold to play in Amsterdam really badly or something. As far as I can tell the fanbase in Europe is pretty big, but they're not filling arenas. When I saw them it was in Ziggo Dome which has a capacity of 17k. The show was sold out, but they would probably not be able to play arenas.

A7X is doing a european tour where they headline with Disturbed opening for them.  That says something to me considering Disturbed has so many #1 charting albums.  (this is not a discussion of quality here, just popularity).  And just had to move a concert to a bigger venue.  A7X are HUGE everywhere at this moment and have been for a few years.  But to be clear, they are not as big as Metallica (as been stated).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 02, 2016, 12:30:04 PM
1: Orion
2: The Call of Ktulu
3: Suicide & Redemption
4: To Live is to Die
5: (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth

That seems about how I'd rank them as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 02, 2016, 03:45:17 PM
The Call of Ktulu > Orion >>> all the other instrumentals.

The ending riff of Ktulu should be used at every Metallica concert during the final mess that ends a concert. I have a friend in a folk metal band that uses that riff to close their concerts, it's a nice touch. A powerful way to end things!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on November 03, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
And if we're rating the instrumentals:

1. Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Anaesthesia
5. Suicide and Redemption

I want numbers 1-3 played at my funeral. Always have, always will  :biggrin:

Jeeez, you planning a long one, then?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 03, 2016, 10:37:07 AM
And if we're rating the instrumentals:

1. Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Anaesthesia
5. Suicide and Redemption

I want numbers 1-3 played at my funeral. Always have, always will  :biggrin:

Jeeez, you planning a long one, then?

Yep, it's my way of getting all my non metal loving friends and family to listen to Metallica!! They can't moan if it's at my funeral  :lol

But also they are epic pieces of metal that I seriously want played. They say a lot about me and who I am. I think they hold a lot of power and emotion in those three epics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 03, 2016, 11:09:03 AM
:rollin I always thought it would be hilarious if I demanded in my will that a Cannibal Corpse album be played in full at my funeral.

Just the thought of a church full of devout christians having to listen to Meat Hook Sodomy or Fucked With A Knife  :'( :'( :'(

Perfect.  :biggrin:  :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 04, 2016, 01:06:36 AM
ERMAGERD

I just read a review, and apparently "Dream No More" is another song about the Cthulhu Mythos. AAAUUUGGGHH
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 04, 2016, 02:21:29 AM
ERMAGERD

I just read a review, and apparently "Dream No More" is another song about the Cthulhu Mythos. AAAUUUGGGHH

I just hope Het nails the lyrics  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 04, 2016, 03:16:13 AM
ERMAGERD

I just read a review, and apparently "Dream No More" is another song about the Cthulhu Mythos. AAAUUUGGGHH

Perhaps it's this review?

https://teamrock.com/review/2016-11-02/metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct-album-review
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 04, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
Atlas Rise has substantially grown on me today, mainly due to the lyrics and the vocal melody.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 05, 2016, 05:31:16 AM
This album only has to be better than Death Magnetic for it to be their best album in 20 years :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 05, 2016, 05:34:39 AM
I have serious doubts about it being better than DM. But even then, it will still be their best album in 8 years! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on November 05, 2016, 05:37:12 AM
Atlas Rise is growing on me as well, although it's still far from being great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 05, 2016, 05:43:56 AM
This album only has to be better than Death Magnetic for it to be their best album in 20 years :P

Haha, I remember thinking something along these lines as well  :biggrin: when you make so few albums not well received that all it takes is a decent album to be the best since forevah  :loser:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 05, 2016, 09:26:19 PM
12 days out and no leak, dang.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 06, 2016, 07:38:10 AM
Quote
Dream No More : "A stomping, fat, mid-tempo dark and twisted Cthulu themed track full of rich imagery of black seas, torture and damnation seemingly in vein of “The Thing that should not be” with its sluggish musical background and also not unlike “Sad But True” but with a slow, gloomy and groove oriented intro."


 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: Exactly the kind of thing I was hoping for. Death Magnetic was missing a really slow SBT style one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 06, 2016, 09:21:53 AM
I cannot wait any longer!! Must have it naoowww!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 06, 2016, 10:13:47 AM
So ESPN used an album track as backing music for some American Football highlights. Pretty weird. You hear about 10 secs of the songs. Mid Tempo chugger.

I'm all for mid tempo groove based songs. Rather than playing everything way too fast for the sake of it. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2016, 11:54:08 AM
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.

Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 06, 2016, 01:21:33 PM
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.

Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?


I don't remember every post in a 92 page thread but If you wanna go back and read every post - please be my guest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2016, 02:29:29 PM
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.

Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?


I don't remember every post in a 92 page thread but If you wanna go back and read every post - please be my guest.

Dammit, no confirmation or denial!

I will continue my science.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 06, 2016, 02:35:46 PM
I don't check my every post to make sure i haven't said the same thing before.

:dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2016, 02:36:50 PM
I don't check my every post to make sure i haven't said the same thing before.

:dunno:

Don't worry about it. My science will reveal the truth, and my like Atlas, the truth will rise! And like a moth, there will...uh....be a flame? Something something to self destruct.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 06, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.

Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?

I love the sass in this post.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 06, 2016, 02:37:35 PM
I meanwhile have better things to do with my time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2016, 02:44:30 PM
I was just kidding man, guess the joke didn't land. My bad. No hard feelings. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 06, 2016, 03:00:58 PM
I actually lol'd hard at first but then I kept reading and Kotowboy bummed me out hehe
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on November 06, 2016, 03:04:15 PM
This rings a bell, I also keep repeating myself page after page on some of the forums.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 06, 2016, 07:54:35 PM
Just Turn The Page.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 07, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
Rate The Instrumentals
1. The Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Suicide & Redemption
5. Anesthesia - Pulling Teeth
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 07, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
Rate The Instrumentals
1. The Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Suicide & Redemption
5. Anesthesia - Pulling Teeth

Oh yea, I forgot about that.

I'm going to cheat a little.

1. Call of Ktulu - S&M
2. To Live is to Die
3. Orion
4. Call of Ktulu
5. Suicide and Redemption
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 12:43:27 PM
Wow. I think orion is head & shoulders above the others...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 07, 2016, 12:45:40 PM
Wow. I think orion is head & shoulders above the others...

Orion is fantastic. While I put it 3rd, (only in the case of counting Ktulu S&M as a contender), the distance between those three isn't huge. I just like To Live is to Die a bit more. If I couldn't put the S&M song on there, Orion would be a very very close 2nd.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 07, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Wow. I think orion is head & shoulders above the others...

Orion is fantastic. While I put it 3rd, (only in the case of counting Ktulu S&M as a contender), the distance between those three isn't huge. I just like To Live is to Die a bit more. If I couldn't put the S&M song on there, Orion would be a very very close 2nd.

Adami, I'm totally with you, the S&M version of Ktulu is mind blowing. If I include the S&M version of The Ecstasy of Gold as an intro and combine it with Ktulu then it is a clear #1.

The ranking would then be:

1. S&M Call of Ktulu
2. Call of Ktulu
3. Orion
4. To Live is to Die
5. Anaesthesia

The top 4 are all pretty close for me. I love Orion but it's just below CoK and just above TLitD.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 01:50:07 PM
And there's no Instrumental on Hardwired...To Self Destruct.

Which is fine. They're not obligated to write one.

It just makes it more special when they do.

Each bassist has had at least one now.

Cliff Had Three. Jason had 1 and Rob has 1. 

Rob has 2 if you count their cover of The Ecstacy Of Gold.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 07, 2016, 03:01:34 PM
Eh, I wouldn't count Ecstasy or Anesthesia. The first is a cover song, and the 2nd is just two guys, one for most of it. It's a bass solo, so I didn't even rank it among the instrumentals. It's only on the album because they were young, dumb and full of......well, probably whiskey.

But, I will say that the live version of Orion from Through The Never soundtrack is my favorite version. The performance and quality is just so god damn good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 03:16:32 PM

But, I will say that the live version of Orion from Through The Never soundtrack is my favorite version. The performance and quality is just so god damn good.

And probably edited to heckery but who cares. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 07, 2016, 03:26:34 PM

But, I will say that the live version of Orion from Through The Never soundtrack is my favorite version. The performance and quality is just so god damn good.

And probably edited to heckery but who cares. :)

Eh, if the studio version can be edited, then a live version with no audience at all can be edited too. Metallica is not a band I need to be able to pull off things well live, since I already know they can't. But if they can release a good sounding well performed product, with as much or as little editing as humanly possible, I am a happy guy.

Plus the video part of it rocks too. Seeing them on an empty stage with no audience was just cool. They should record a whole album that way. Maybe Lars will stay in time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 03:39:19 PM
Lars uses a click in the studio too.

Anyway - the Nimes DVD is heavily edited. They've put in perfect bass drums and everything is quantized.

Plus people have discovered they used ( or whoever edits these things ) - that the Fade To Black vocal track for Nimes 09 and Mexico 09 are one and the same vocal track.

That's pretty lazy :lol

I knew something was up back in 1997 ?? When I got Cunning Stunts on VHS and things didn't sync up. I know they played Fort Worth over two nights and some video is night #1 with the audio from

night #2.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on November 07, 2016, 04:03:48 PM

I knew something was up back in 1997 ?? When I got Cunning Stunts on VHS and things didn't sync up. I know they played Fort Worth over two nights and some video is night #1 with the audio from

night #2.

In fact it's the same for all the releases within Live Shit, as well as S&M. Heck, almost all their live DVDs are that way. Not that I care - I have no problem with it. That's the whole point of filming DVDs only when they're playing multiple back to back shows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 04:07:22 PM
Yeah sometimes Het's mouth doesn't match what comes out.

In Hero Of The Day - he *mouths* The Window Burns To Light The Way Back Home.

But what you hear is The Window Burns To Light The Way Back Home ah.

His mouth is totally closed for that last syllable :P

There's a few moments like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 05:21:04 PM
Well i've been practicing my arms off and I can play Hardwired all the way through now !

Just had to rethink my technique in the verses and get my alt picking back up to speed.

Plus Atlas is a lot easier than it first sounds. Easier than Moth with that fiddly verse tail and

awkward verse rhythm part.

Atlas - whilst sounding confusing is actually a lot easier than Moth Into Flame on rhythm guitar. It's pretty fun to play.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 07, 2016, 06:33:44 PM
I haven't been trying to play any Metallica post-Justice on the guitar, since I learned I had to change the guitar tuning for most of them which is utter bull shit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 06:41:27 PM
😂  😂  😂

The Black Album, Death Magnetic and the new album are in E standard.

I usually keep one of my guitars in Eb standard for such an eventuality.

I think that AX7 trying to re-write The Black Album for HTTK is funnier though...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 07, 2016, 06:46:19 PM
I forget all this guitar shit, E standard IS standard tuning? Cause I remember for sure that Sad But True needed a different tuning so it would sound right, which I've never done cause fuck 'em it's exhausting enough to tune the guitar to standard and maintaining that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 07, 2016, 06:56:17 PM
E standard is normal tuning . A440 .

Sad But True is D standard. DGCFAD - low to high.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 07, 2016, 09:27:35 PM
I'm also going to cheat-

Call of Ktulu (S&M)
To Live is to Die
Call of Ktulu / Orion
Suicide and Redemption


Anaesthesia
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 08, 2016, 07:50:46 AM
In comparison to a lot of other guitar bands, Metallica uses very few alternate tunings.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2016, 09:07:50 AM
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2016, 09:13:40 AM
In comparison to a lot of other guitar bands, Metallica uses very few alternate tunings.

Yeah this. First 5 albums are mostly in E 440. Thingy is D standard. Sad is in D std. One of the Black Album tracks - Misery or God that Failed is in Eb - I forget which.

Load and Reload are mostly Eb standard except for one or two. St Anger is all over the shop and the two recent albums are back to E 440.

Did you know that they slightly tuned flat for Master of Puppets and recorded it slower so that they could speed the tape up to make the songs tighter ?

Plus Ride is slightly sharp due to speeding up the tape too.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them).


That's just showing off to me. The Edge does it as well. I think the only time Hetfield changes guitar is when the song is in a different tuning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 08, 2016, 09:25:14 AM
Did you know that they slightly tuned flat for Master of Puppets and recorded it slower so that they could speed the tape up to make the songs tighter ?

Plus Ride is slightly sharp due to speeding up the tape too.

Yeah I had heard that stuff about Master and Ride, interesting to say the least. But overall, you're right, outside of St. Anger (the album) you can learn like 90% of their catalog in standard or a half-step down. Like I said, compared to a lot of bands that's pretty simple tuning-wise. I've been messing around with trying to learn some new Alter Bridge songs and they used like 5 or 6 different tunings on their new album, and not just like drop D or something simple, all these different open tunings or alternate tunings that would require different size strings or me to adjust the action on my guitars. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2016, 09:45:22 AM
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them).


That's just showing off to me. The Edge does it as well. I think the only time Hetfield changes guitar is when the song is in a different tuning.

Well, you know my feelings about James.  He's the standard by which all others are measured, in terms of being "cool as shit". 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2016, 09:58:40 AM
Yeah and he doesn't even try. Not anymore at least. Too many metal bands their age are still acting like it's the 80s with all the fake machismo.

I'm really glad they had their therapy

I don't want to  imagine a 52 year old James Hetfield with long white hair still acting like he did in 1988.

It would be so embarrassing.

I always joke that if James never went to rehab or therapy - he'd be like Dog the Bounty Hunter now :lol



( edit - turns out I automatically put ? whenever I type the word therapy :lol )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on November 08, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them). 

I was there last night!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 08, 2016, 01:06:20 PM
In comparison to a lot of other guitar bands, Metallica uses very few alternate tunings.

Yeah this. First 5 albums are mostly in E 440. Thingy is D standard. Sad is in D std. One of the Black Album tracks - Misery or God that Failed is in Eb - I forget which.

Load and Reload are mostly Eb standard except for one or two. St Anger is all over the shop and the two recent albums are back to E 440.

Did you know that they slightly tuned flat for Master of Puppets and recorded it slower so that they could speed the tape up to make the songs tighter ?

Plus Ride is slightly sharp due to speeding up the tape too.

The God That Failed is the one that's a half step down. All Nightmare Long is also in Drop D. Also, isn't St. Anger mostly in Drop C?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2016, 01:39:06 PM
Nightmare plus Just A Bullet Away = Drop D. Yup.

St Anger, Frantic, Some Kind Of Monster = Drop C

Dirty Window = Drop Db

My World = Drop C

Invisible Kid = Drop Ab

Unnamed Feeling = Drop Bb

Everything Else = Drop C.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 08, 2016, 08:36:04 PM
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 08, 2016, 10:18:11 PM
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh

I'm the same way. Drop-D is all well and good, but anything more complicated than that is a royal pain in the ass if you don't have multiple decent guitars with different setups.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 09, 2016, 02:11:56 AM
Might've been naive of me but I was hoping someone would leak the album while security was busy following the elections results hehe
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 09, 2016, 07:59:17 AM
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh

I'm the same way. Drop-D is all well and good, but anything more complicated than that is a royal pain in the ass if you don't have multiple decent guitars with different setups.

We only had two guitars in my old band, one each.  We'd play our D songs together and our E songs together.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 09, 2016, 10:04:39 AM
(https://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/750/Drop-large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 09, 2016, 10:09:44 AM
My friend is in a tech band and the entire set is done by MIDI. Their Axe-FX changes their guitar tunings but the guitar itself stays in E 440.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 10, 2016, 01:21:19 AM
Gotto be honest with you guys. What I'm hearing so far of the new stuff is giving me a pretty positive vibe about the upcoming album. Probably get burned again, but hey. It's 'tallica.  ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 10, 2016, 01:26:29 AM
I'm definitely digging the music (at least compared to DM or St. Anger) but the vocals (mostly) leave a lot to be desired. So far the vocals seem a bit by the numbers and lacking much melody or being memorable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 10, 2016, 07:13:38 AM
I'm definitely digging the music (at least compared to DM or St. Anger) but the vocals (mostly) leave a lot to be desired. So far the vocals seem a bit by the numbers and lacking much melody or being memorable.

I agree about the music, the vocals I have mixed feelings on. I agree that they have left something to be desired in regards to melodic variety, but I think Het's performance sounds phenomenal and the production sounds like an actual professionally recorded vocal, so that's an improvement over the demo-ish vocal sound on DM. I'm still waiting for a song that has even a hint of that Load, Reload era melody and harmony. Maybe something on this album will deliver in those terms, maybe not. Without question though, based on what we have heard in these first three songs, even though I'm not completely sold on the vocals, it's probably easy for me to say it's his best vocal performance since Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 10, 2016, 08:54:42 AM
Apparently disc 2 is s lot more mid tempo and varied.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 10, 2016, 09:08:38 AM
Apparently disc 2 is s lot more mid tempo and varied.

Right so I have heard... Just hoping mid-tempo means more melodic variety from James.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 10, 2016, 10:48:52 AM
Apparently disc 2 is s lot more mid tempo and varied.

Right so I have heard... Just hoping mid-tempo means more melodic variety from James.
Yes, hopefully mid-tempo means "barking" (as James called it) vocals are not suitable. Not that I mind that style, but there's just been way too much of it lately.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 10, 2016, 12:21:01 PM
https://loudandproud.it/metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct/

Italian track by track after a listening session - happened, believe ir ot not, amplifying the sound off an iPhone 7  :eek (didn't they have a stereo or something?)

Google translate is your friend, I'll try to sum up briefly the comments about the unknown songs:

NOW THAT WE'RE DEAD: Long intro, weird "electronic" drums from Lars, but maybe it's because of the iPhone. Good solo from Kirk, James sings about a love after death.

DREAM NO MORE: Black Sabbath-ish, even in James' singing style.. It's the Chtulu song, the reviewer is not entirely convinced, he deems the song too long.

HALO ON FIRE: Starts off seemingly as a ballad, but has many twists and turns. James is praised here.

CONFUSION: The song is actually "confusing", but the reviewer doesn't explain in detail why this song is unusual for Metallica standard, or why exactly James is unrecognizable on this.

MANUNKIND: Another song that starts slowly and then has many tempo changes. "Many eyebrows were raised", once again the explanation is not clear.

HERE COMES REVENGE: Deemed better than the prevìous two, it has a section made for fan interaction during live concerts.

AM I SAVAGE?: Another Sabbath-ish song, it's about the Wolfman. Once again a vague comment about "how Lars will manage to make a video out of this" but not explaining in detail why people were looking at each other perplexed during the listening session.

MURDER ONE: Fade to Black-ish intro for a tribute for Lemmy!!! too slow for being a song about, well, Lemmy, but the song itself has been appreciated.

SPIT OUT THE BONE: Starts off fast and heavy, like many Metallica closing songs before this, and once again a tease: a comment about how the song ends bad but not telling exactly why.



Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 10, 2016, 12:40:29 PM

Italian track by track after a listening session - happened, believe ir ot not, amplifying the sound off an iPhone 7  :eek (didn't they have a stereo or something?)

Probably used a cable from the headphone socket into an amp...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on November 10, 2016, 12:50:10 PM
I'm definitely digging the music (at least compared to DM or St. Anger) but the vocals (mostly) leave a lot to be desired. So far the vocals seem a bit by the numbers and lacking much melody or being memorable.
This is the biggest problem I have with Atlas Rise, especially with its chorus. I so wish James was a bit more ambitious with the vocal melodies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on November 10, 2016, 05:48:21 PM
https://teamrock.com/feature/2016-11-10/the-track-by-track-guide-to-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct
I don't know what to think about this review...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 10, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
https://teamrock.com/feature/2016-11-10/the-track-by-track-guide-to-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct
I don't know what to think about this review...

It's a horribly written review. Told me almost nothing except some songs are slower and some are faster.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on November 10, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
At least a better written one: https://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2016-11-10/album-review-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 11, 2016, 06:55:58 AM
https://teamrock.com/feature/2016-11-10/the-track-by-track-guide-to-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct
I don't know what to think about this review...

It's a horribly written review. Told me almost nothing except some songs are slower and some are faster.

Yeah I saw that one, it's pretty bad.

At least a better written one: https://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2016-11-10/album-review-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html

This was a little better of a read except for the dude not knowing what a blast beat is  :lol. The theme I continue to see with the reviews I have read is that the second disc (particularly the first couple tracks on the second disc) is the weak portion of the album. I'll be interested to hear those songs and how they compare to the three we already have heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Enigmachine on November 11, 2016, 11:22:11 AM
This was a little better of a read except for the dude not knowing what a blast beat is  :lol.

Also:
Quote
Hardwired… to Self-Destruct is not a thrash album. Rather, it is a release that utilises the conventions of a number of heavy styles, from NWOBHM to melodic death metal to thrash to doom metal, all of which become apparent as the album proceeds.

wtf

Doesn't sound likely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 11, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
This was a little better of a read except for the dude not knowing what a blast beat is  :lol.

Also:
Quote
Hardwired… to Self-Destruct is not a thrash album. Rather, it is a release that utilises the conventions of a number of heavy styles, from NWOBHM to melodic death metal to thrash to doom metal, all of which become apparent as the album proceeds.

wtf

Doesn't sound likely.

 :lol Yeah clearly no blast beats and melodic death metal happening in Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 11, 2016, 12:44:41 PM
Jaymz reflecting on their 90's era and St Anger, says 90's were "uncomfortable".
https://www.nme.com/news/music/james-hetfield-shares-cliff-burton-thought-metallicas-90s-albums-1842606
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 11, 2016, 03:15:13 PM
Kirk and Lars were the driving force of Metallica in the 90s. James has said this before. the two artsy fartsy members of metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 11, 2016, 06:17:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BkEGZ4Z5Zo

Metallica : Clampdown acoustic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmoPhEohbPU

Bleeding Me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 11, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
It's always a little sad when a musician says they don't like the stuff that you love.

Like when Daniel said he wasn't terribly fond of The Perfect Element. :(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on November 11, 2016, 11:08:56 PM
Musicians are often too close to their own music to be terribly objective about it, to be honest. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 11, 2016, 11:35:36 PM
6 days out and no leak! Ridiculous. But also impressive.
DM leaked 10 days out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 11, 2016, 11:47:33 PM
To be fair, Metallica has always kinda been paranoid about leaks. They even released St. Anger 5 days early just so it wouldn't get leaked.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 12, 2016, 01:42:20 AM
To be fair, Metallica has always kinda been paranoid about leaks. They even released St. Anger 5 days early just so it wouldn't get leaked.

That was probably so people wouldn't know it sucked before buying it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 12, 2016, 01:53:11 AM
Some guy got his order on Amazon early and I've been watching him stream the album on Facebook. I purposely quit early so I could hear some songs fresh on release day.

Guys.

This album fucking delivers (at least part of it). From what I've heard, the three singles are THE WORST songs on the album. Dream No More is a goddamn masterpiece. CTHULHU AWAKENS.

The ones I've heard and my thoughts:

Dream No More - Great singing. Yes, singing. Vocals sound straight out of Load/Reload. Downtuned song, sounds straight evil. Kirk's solo, guys. I can't even begin to explain how NOT disappointed I am. He started with minimal wah then dropped it off entirely to write some of the catchiest work since The Black Album. It fits so damn well. Excuse me while I change my pants.
Halo on Fire - Caught about half of this one. The guitar work on this is superb. This song is a fucking riff machine with GREAT harmonies. I've heard this described as their best work in 25 years, and from what I've heard I can't disagree.
Spit out the Bone - Jayzus. Juuuust Jayzus. Intro starts like Damage, Inc. meets Metal Militia, then that rhythm is carried throughout the entire song. Fast, powerful, good vocals, a powerhouse from start to finish. Solo was a mishmash of pentatonic licks like something out of Kill Em All.

Honestly, everyone is in top form. There is variety in everything. Vocals, guitarwork, etc. It's not the three singles over and over. I was a little excited before listening, but now I'm fucking thrilled.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 12, 2016, 02:35:24 AM
Sounds good! the early reviews were seemingly implying that yes, it was the three singles over and over, with too much slowish stuff.

Also this is basically the first time I was aware of how James had to go with the flow with the Load / ReLoad albums. I agree that they had too many songs, a single album with the strongest material would have been better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2016, 06:16:02 AM
There's a riff I'd hoped would appear and according to reports it does.

On Murder One. The Leper Messiah -ish sounding riff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 12, 2016, 09:35:00 AM
To be fair, Metallica has always kinda been paranoid about leaks. They even released St. Anger 5 days early just so it wouldn't get leaked.

That was probably so people wouldn't know it sucked before buying it.

 :lol :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 12, 2016, 09:36:41 AM
Musicians are often too close to their own music to be terribly objective about it, to be honest.

It all seems to make sense while you're "in the moment", but looking back it's like "what was i thinking?" Life is like that in general, innit?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on November 12, 2016, 10:41:51 AM
Album is...available...

Listening to it now. Now That We're Dead has a definite Load feeling to it. A bit too long but if a lot of the album is like that I'm going to be happy. Definitely looking better than DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 12, 2016, 10:58:52 AM
Halfway through disc 1. They definitely sound like the Metallica I love again. What a graceful return to form this is so far. I like the fat riffs of the Het and the production just slays.

Dream No More, what a track!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2016, 11:25:13 AM
Unfortunately I don't have time to listen to the album properly right now, but so far luckily it seems the singles weren't representative of the album in terms of melodies. Every other track I've checked out so far has actual melodies and Het is sounding really good, and with more harmonies. Dream No More definitely sounds like it has potential, Halo on Fire as well, Spit Out the Bone sounds like a decent thrashier song to finish it out.

As I said, I skimmed, so I can't make any judgements about songwriting quality, but I'm more optimistic about giving this a listen tomorrow, and it sounds like a nice mix of their previous sounds.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 12, 2016, 12:34:54 PM
Almost finished with the first disc. The whole vibe of it so far is very Black Album-ish, and I'm cool with it. Dream No More left me a good first impression, Halo on Fire as well. The latter might have one of the best vocal performances by James I've heard since 2000.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2016, 12:35:59 PM
Loving what you guys are saying.

I don't do leaks, so I look forward to hearing this album in 6 days. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2016, 12:38:44 PM
And the production just slays.


It says a lot that on the Metallica Forum - that was the main thing people were worried about. Not songs, not style - just " is it going to sound good this time ? "

Well done Greg !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
Loving what you guys are saying.

I don't do leaks, so I look forward to hearing this album in 6 days. :)

Yeah same. It should hopefully be on Spotify at 00:00 in the UK and my CDs should arrive in the a.m. PLUS I've booked that day off work so i can stay up late and listen to all 3 CDs

( assuming the deluxe ed. is on Spotify - if not - no biggie ).

ALSO - people have ben saying that the new studio version of Lords of Summer is massively improved. If so - i'll prolly make a 13 track playlist with Lords on the end for an 84 min album.

 :biggrin: :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2016, 01:46:26 PM
I'm really loving what i'm reading about there being a lot of Reload style songs - just much improved.

Easily one of my favourite Metallica albums. So under rated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 12, 2016, 03:13:00 PM
Listening right now. Pretty good so far. Dream No More is very good indeed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 12, 2016, 04:32:02 PM
Fuck me. Wrong thread
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on November 12, 2016, 04:53:13 PM
I'm really loving what i'm reading about there being a lot of Reload style songs - just much improved.

Easily one of my favourite Metallica albums. So under rated.

Am I Savage is definitely a throwback towards that vibe, though I wouldn't say this is an improvement over it. Pretty similar really, apart from the mix lacking the breathing space.

EDIT: Confusion is groovy as fuck. The two prominent riffs in this song slay.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2016, 05:06:01 PM
I always said the should do a slower album so they can comfortably play it live.

I'd love an album of ballads.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 12, 2016, 05:14:58 PM
I've got another one. There was this Russian hard rock band that opened for Yngwie Malmsteen back in... 2007? I hated Yngwie, but my buddy's bass teacher (Bjorn Englen) was playing bass for him so we went. I dont remember the name of the band, but this really cute goth girl whom I had a thing for was there with us.. and she really dug them. I spent the entire show keeping her safe from the pit. Lots of.. close body contact. Plus kick ass music. And then... well.. The only good thing about Yngwie was Bjorn and Tim The Ripper Owens playing with him.


*daydreams*

I think you may have posted this in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on November 12, 2016, 07:42:45 PM
From one quick listen, if you don't like Load, you might struggle with a lot of this.

Fortunately, I like Load.

Although I am worrying quite a chunk falls into Reload territory. And that's not so good.

I do think Moth is the highlight so far. All the 'singles' stand up well in the overall context.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 12, 2016, 07:49:44 PM
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh
All the strings are downtuned a half step in Fuel, so you can learn the song in standard tuning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2016, 09:37:40 PM
The album is a bit different to what I expected from the singles. They picked the three most generic and tuneless songs to release first. The album isn't a lot of fast thrashy stuff, more slower grooves, more melodies and harmonies, and a bit more variety. Manunkind has a nice Sabbathy influence to it, and I get more of a TBA/Load/Reload vibe.

Hetfield is sounding great, and Hammett is much improved from DM, the solos have more structure and melody to them, and even the faster bits sound decent. The instrumental sections feel more natural with better flow than DM's cut and paste sections that only served to extend the songs. Most of these songs are longer due to the slower tempos rather than feeling so forced. Some really nice guitar harmony sections that I enjoyed.

I don't know if I'm just worn out on it, but I don't enjoy the last 1/3 a lot, the songs seemed a bit bland. The middle 1/3 of the album is by far the strongest run to me. I mostly skipped the first 1/3 since they were the songs I'd already heard and been indifferent to, except for Now That We're Dead, which seemed good too.

Better than I expected, although too early to judge. I was listening on my laptop speakers, so I don't feel like I heard everything well. Stylistically, it's just what I wanted, the songwriting I'm still undecided on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
Per usual, Blob's words excite and arrouse me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2016, 11:02:02 PM
And this time I wasn't even talking about robot copulation.

So far, Dream No More is far and away the standout of the album imo. Great song. It takes some clear cues from Sad But True, most obviously the slow tempo and D tuning, and I really like the verse and chorus melodies. Strangely, the guitar harmonies after the solo remind me of Arch Enemy wtf.
The rest of the album will have to wait until I'm over this track before they get another chance. :lol

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2016, 04:27:21 AM
Couldn't resist, heard it as well.

I was not completely sold on Dream No More, but hey, it's the first listening. Halo On Fire is good and so the closer Spit Out the Bone, there's a fantastic melody nearing the end. At times it drags but all in all it's a very solid effort with no cringeworth moments and a very nice and clear sound. Looking forward to more listenings!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 13, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
bestbuy.com has both the standard and deluxe CD's for 9.99 each! 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on November 13, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
Man, talk about a comeback. There are some seriously good songs on this! And I love how it's different from what I expected, which with Metallica was becoming standard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 13, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Spit Out the Bone is fantastic!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2016, 05:46:58 PM
:lol People on the Met forum justifying downloading the leak by making us that are waiting feel bad...

" Downloading a leak is stealing ? How is it any different to COPYING the files from the CD to your Computer ? ::) "


You're right - we're all technically stealing by copying the album form the speakers to our brains :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 13, 2016, 11:04:17 PM
And this time I wasn't even talking about robot copulation.

So far, Dream No More is far and away the standout of the album imo. Great song. It takes some clear cues from Sad But True, most obviously the slow tempo and D tuning, and I really like the verse and chorus melodies. Strangely, the guitar harmonies after the solo remind me of Arch Enemy wtf.
The rest of the album will have to wait until I'm over this track before they get another chance. :lol
Great song. My favorite so far is Halo on Fire.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 13, 2016, 11:58:08 PM
:lol People on the Met forum justifying downloading the leak by making us that are waiting feel bad...

" Downloading a leak is stealing ? How is it any different to COPYING the files from the CD to your Computer ? ::) "


You're right - we're all technically stealing by copying the album form the speakers to our brains :lol :lol
Depends on whether they also buy the album, especially if they have pre-ordered. I mean, it's technically still stealing, but really it comes to the same thing as ripping the mp3s.

Technically even ripping mp3s is illegal in the UK.

CONFUSION-AH!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 14, 2016, 12:19:03 AM
I just don't understand why people just can't be patient (it actually does make the anticipation a little more worthwhile when actually hearing the album), and if they can't, why they feel they have to publically admit they listened and downloaded the leaks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 14, 2016, 01:25:28 AM
Spit Out the Bone is fantastic!

Yes! Among the best here.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 14, 2016, 04:29:51 AM
I just don't understand why people just can't be patient (it actually does make the anticipation a little more worthwhile when actually hearing the album), and if they can't, why they feel they have to publically admit they listened and downloaded the leaks.

And make anyone who IS waiting feel bad about it.

::) You didn't download the album for free ? What kind of fan are you ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2016, 06:12:31 AM
Whenever I actually wait for albums, I never feel bad. I feel bad for those who couldn't wait  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 14, 2016, 06:22:37 AM
Whenever I actually wait for albums, I never feel bad. I feel bad for those who couldn't wait  ;D

Truth.

" ::) I bought the CD anyway what's the problem ? ".

To me that's a bit like saying " So what If I stole the CD ? I was going to buy it from a different shop anyway... "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 14, 2016, 06:27:15 AM
Whenever I actually wait for albums, I never feel bad. I feel bad for those who couldn't wait  ;D

Why would you feel bad for people who are enjoying something before you? :biggrin:
I mean, everyone's doing what works for them, so I don't know why the need to complain about anyone else's actions. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2016, 06:55:49 AM
Well, actually you're right, it was more of a light-hearted response, hence the smiley. In this case I didn't wait, for Iron Maiden for example I did and my enjoyment of the album on release day of course had no impact or difference on wether how many people actually heard it before me  :coolio
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 14, 2016, 11:03:05 AM
Really digging Halo of Fire as well! Great verses and one hell of a chorus there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 14, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
It'll be on Spotify first thing Friday morning so i'm gonna stay up and listen on there and my CDs should arrive in the AM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 14, 2016, 12:30:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/935kZEA.png)





Also... I mocked up this alternate cover from one of the images in the booklet shared on Metallica.com
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2016, 12:31:36 PM
Definitely an improvement!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 14, 2016, 12:33:49 PM
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 14, 2016, 05:48:05 PM
Anyone else get a 80's metal vibe from Halo On Fire?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 15, 2016, 05:12:40 AM
Still haven't listened to it.....  :angel: :yeahright :yeahright
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 15, 2016, 05:33:39 AM
Nor me but my bro downloaded the leak and wanted me to hear one song so i listened to it then deleted the file.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 15, 2016, 06:58:59 AM
Sounds promising, but I don't do leaks, so I'll just wait a couple days till it's out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 15, 2016, 07:55:16 AM
Not the hugest Metallica fan ever; I first heard them on ...And Justice for All and thought "Talented, but a little too thrashy for me.".  Then I heard the Black Album, and was blown away ("Nothing Else Matters", "Unforgiven", "Wherever I May Roam"!) and have been on the bandwagon ever since.    Didn't care for St. Anger, but everything else, I dig to some degree or another.   

And I have to say: I haven't had this much anticipation for an album in a LONG time.  Every comment, every snippet, every song I've heard has only built anticipation for me.  (Contrast this with hearing "Tattoo" by VH and thinking "UH OH", but then hearing the album and giving it "Album of the Year"; and the snippet DT released for 12, though the album was better it wasn't "Album of the Year"; and the snippet I heard from the new Maiden album had me SOOO disappointed, and the album blew me away). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2016, 08:18:20 AM
Chances are very high that you'll enjoy the album then!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 15, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone.  :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 15, 2016, 01:49:24 PM
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone.  :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.

Yeah. Unfortunately this song won't get as much love as it deserves cause, you know, TOO THRASHY.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 15, 2016, 01:54:46 PM
Really? People on the metallica boards are loving the album apart from it not being thrashy ENOUGH.

Anyway. It's Wednesday tomorrow and Thursday evening will soon be here...

( Assuming the album is on Spotify at 00:00 Friday morning - it's up there now - all 3CDs but blacked out apart from the singles so... )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 15, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
Really? People on the metallica boards are loving the album apart from it not being thrashy ENOUGH.

Anyway. It's Wednesday tomorrow and Thursday evening will soon be here...

( Assuming the album is on Spotify at 00:00 Friday morning - it's up there now - all 3CDs but blacked out apart from the singles so... )

I meant love from this board.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 15, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
I see !

Well i'm up for anything as long as it's a good SONG...

Having said that - I would LOVE an album of only ballads next time.

Low Man's Lyric. Mama Said. That sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2016, 03:08:56 PM
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone.  :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.

Yeah. Unfortunately this song won't get as much love as it deserves cause, you know, TOO THRASHY.

It's one of my favorite ones from the album!  :metal

I never really was into thrash, 98,5% of thrash metal I listen is Metallica, but damn this song is good!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 15, 2016, 03:09:05 PM
Even though the intro is very nice, ManUNkind could've been left out IMO. Some cool ideas there, but it really doesn't go anywhere.

But other than that I disagree with all those reviewers calling disc 2 weak. I appreciate the mid-tempo stuff on there, maybe because I never hated the Load albums. I like this side of Metallica as well. And Het's vocals on disc 2 (and on Now That We're Dead) remind me of those albums. It's like he hasn't gotten older. I'm baffled at how good his voice sounds.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 15, 2016, 05:33:05 PM
Metallica - Atlas, Rise! (Le Grand Journal)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x524ni8_metallica-atlas-rise-le-grand-journal_tv

A good rendition of Atlas !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 15, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone.  :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.
Easily their Thrashiest song since 1988. It's a face-melter! :metal

This album wasn't what I expected, and I meant that in the best way possible. I think it serves as a continuation of the Black Album; what people expected Load would sound like in 96.  It's also a lot more consistent than Death Magnetic but also somewhat darker and really slower. Not as easy to listen to as DM as well, but I think It'll grow on me as time passes by.

That being said... I think Dystopia is noticeably better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 15, 2016, 09:48:17 PM
That being said... I think Dystopia is noticeably better.

Speaking of which, soon we'll be able to debate which of the recent Big 4 of Thrash albums was the best, since they all released albums within the timespan of around 1 year.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 15, 2016, 10:08:12 PM
Has anyone noticed this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi1JPVJolsw
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Moonchild on November 16, 2016, 04:00:22 AM
 :tup

It's a great album. I think Spit Out the Bone is a real runner up to Dyers Eve.
This and Halo on Fire and Moth is how Metallica should have sounded after Justice.

However, I feel it's less energetic and catchy than DM. There are some slow and heavy songs that could have ended up on the better part of Reload and then there are songs like Manunkind, Am I savage and Murder One. Well.. they could be B-Sides because they have nice ideas but aren't that unique.

So far:

Spit Out the Bone 10/10
Moth into Flame 9/10
Halo On Fire 8.5/10
Atlas, Rise 8/10
Now that Were Dead 8/10
Hardwire 7.5/10
Dream no More 7.5/10
Here Comes Revenge 7/10


Confusion 6/10
Murder One 6/10
Am I Savage? 6/10
ManUnkind 6/10

James sounds better than on the Loads and Lars got on shape for this one. Kirk has only one noticeable highlight and Rob too.
If DM had better production and focus..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 16, 2016, 08:14:58 AM
OK, so realistically, after all the touring and breaks coming up.....is this their last one?  3/4ths of them will be pushing 60 by then. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 16, 2016, 08:17:25 AM
If it will take another 8 years for the next one so... yeah ;)

But what a way to bow out then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 09:30:28 AM
LISTEN UP GUYS


All 13 videos ( including Lords of Summer 2016 ) are being released over the next two days !!

https://metallica.com/

First one is up in 30 mins !! ( 9am PST )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dtvoices94 on November 16, 2016, 09:57:12 AM
I've only heard the three singles and was pleasantly surprised in that they were 3 for 3.  To me Metallica from KIA through AJFA can do no wrong.  I hated the Black album but I really enjoyed Load.  Reload and St. Anger were spotty (an that's being kind).  Death Magnetic (production aside) was way more good than bad.  Everything I've read so far has me cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 09:58:33 AM
Has everyone heard the iTunes remaster of Death Magnetic ? It's a lot cleaner. You can hear more cymbals and bass and there is way less white noise.

check it out !

Go to " Death Magnetic " on iTunes and click Preview All.





EDIT : Dream No More video is on Metallica.com now . OH MY GOD  :omg: WHAT A SONG.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 16, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
Only listened to a minute of it (still waiting till release day) but what a weird video. Who the hell was in charge of Hetfields wardrobe?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 16, 2016, 11:47:46 AM
LISTEN UP GUYS


All 13 videos ( including Lords of Summer 2016 ) are being released over the next two days !!

https://metallica.com/

First one is up in 30 mins !! ( 9am PST )

Wild!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 16, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
I listened to "Dream No More" and "Confusion." I liked the former better, but solid stuff overall. My biggest complaint is that Kirk has been playing the same damn solo for the last 25 years. For the love of god, come up with something fresh, man.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 12:36:00 PM
From what i've heard so far - his solos on Hardwired... are MUCH better than any of his Death Magnetic solos.

That 8 bar mini solo on "Hardwired" at least fits the vibe of the song and isn't just random notes like on " End Of The Line ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 16, 2016, 12:37:59 PM
I've listened to the 3 singles, but I'm waiting til Friday to hear the whole album. It's been agonizing to read everyone's positive comments, but I'll be happy to join in on Friday.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 16, 2016, 12:41:56 PM
Wait 'til you hear Spit Out The Bone.

 :drool:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 16, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
Wait 'til you hear Spit Out The Bone.

 :drool:

Believe me I cannot wait. I'm scared of overhype now though lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 16, 2016, 12:47:27 PM
Nah, trust us, it is THAT good  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 16, 2016, 12:54:12 PM
Well between this thread and Metallica.com forums, I'm expecting the greatest 'tallica track ever written.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 01:12:24 PM
Well between this thread and Metallica.com forums, I'm expecting the greatest 'tallica track ever written.

I heard Spit one time on YouTube. It was good but didn't FLOOR me. Mind you the YT quality was poor and the rip itself is shitty quality so...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on November 16, 2016, 01:13:26 PM
My current ratings for the songs. ??? indicates I need more listens

Hardwired: 4.5/10
Atlas, Rise: 7/10
Now That We're Dead: 6/10
Moth Into Flame: 7/10
Dream No More: 6.5/10
Halo On Fire: ???

Confusion: 8.5/10
ManUNkind: ???
Here Comes Revenge: ???
Am I Savage: ???
Murder One: ???
Spit Out the Bone: 7/10
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 01:16:22 PM
I've listened to the 3 singles, but I'm waiting til Friday to hear the whole album. It's been agonizing to read everyone's positive comments, but I'll be happy to join in on Friday.


BUT so far...this album is EASILY better than Death Magnetic. COMFORTABLY.

It's like the missing album between The Black Album and Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 16, 2016, 01:42:34 PM
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 01:52:08 PM
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.

Dream No More is a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be just in case you missed all the CHTULU AWAKENS ! :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on November 16, 2016, 01:59:17 PM
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.

Dream No More is a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be just in case you missed all the CHTULU AWAKENS ! :P

(https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5247611/il_570xN.296331824.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 16, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.

Dream No More is a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be just in case you missed all the CHTULU AWAKENS ! :P

Oh I noticed. There's also a riff in the song that sounds similar to the chorus riff/outro riff in TTtSNB.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 16, 2016, 02:10:33 PM
They should have made it louder.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 02:18:10 PM
So far - two songs have swing feel.

I. LOVE. Metal songs which are swung 4/4. I'm such a sucker for them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 16, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
Loving the new videos so far! Great stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
BUT so far...this album is EASILY better than Death Magnetic. COMFORTABLY.
chaossystem ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 03:24:02 PM
NO. : )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 16, 2016, 04:16:49 PM
From what i've heard so far - his solos on Hardwired... are MUCH better than any of his Death Magnetic solos.

That 8 bar mini solo on "Hardwired" at least fits the vibe of the song and isn't just random notes like on " End Of The Line ".
I'll give him some credit. I just heard "Now That We're Dead," and Kirk's solo is actually something new.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 16, 2016, 04:24:44 PM
I'll admit, I'm looking forward to listening to this but I'm not desperate. I'm trying not to get my hopes up but it all sounds positive. My musical tastes have changed a lot in the 8 years since DM so we'll see how it sounds to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 16, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
Here Comes Revenge video is up. Creepy as heck !!!

It says how much the arrangements have improved since Death Magnetic that it's a 7.5 minute song and doesn't feel like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 16, 2016, 07:43:06 PM
So I've listened to about a minute of whatever songs they've released videos for.

For people who have heard the rest of the songs, do all of them start with the whole band coming it at once? Are there no songs with guitar intros or anything?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 16, 2016, 07:59:10 PM
So I've listened to about a minute of whatever songs they've released videos for.

For people who have heard the rest of the songs, do all of them start with the whole band coming it at once? Are there no songs with guitar intros or anything?
Yes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 16, 2016, 08:03:29 PM
Lame, but such is life.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 16, 2016, 08:35:45 PM
I don't get the ManUNkind video. Why are they satirizing Mayhem? What does it have to do with the song (I haven't read the lyrics btw)?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 17, 2016, 12:01:17 AM
So I've listened to about a minute of whatever songs they've released videos for.

For people who have heard the rest of the songs, do all of them start with the whole band coming it at once? Are there no songs with guitar intros or anything?
ManUNkind, Am I Savage, and Murder One all have acoustic intros.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
I wrote about where I stand with downloading leaks at the Avenged thread.

With bands I know, my hype level peaks with the announcement of a new album. I immediately want to hear it and have an urge to throw my money at them without waiting for reviews. As the months pass, I become more rational. When I hear singles, my excitement drops as I realise that the songwriting is basically more of the same.

That is me as well. But it's a little more of an upsetting issue for me.
I'm a Metallica fan but I despise the breadcrumbs deal, I supported the Sevenfold album even though I'm not a fan at all because I like the way they released it, I truly miss knowing about new albums coming out by walking into a store and "Oh look a new album has come out" or simply waking up to find it online like Sevenfold fans did. I don't give a flying fuck what your gushing whore industry is forcing you to do or how you're "adapting to the times", there is no reasoning sufficient for making fans wait like dogs for 2 or 3 month. Especially with someone like me who only likes 5 or 6 bands and rarely finds new music to enjoy.
So, as immature as that sounds, the way I respond to that is that I very damn well make sure to wait and check very regularly for the leak and get it asap. I know it doesn't hurt the band or the record company and it's not like I'm effectively "getting back at them" but it simply makes me feel better heh

So I definitly downloaded the leak like 2 minutes after it came out, I'm still buying the album since I didn't download the leak to avoid a purchase or anything like that.
I find the way they handled releasing the videos today to be freakin cool and gutsy, you shoot that many videos you wanna use them to keep promoting the album so you space them out. When I first heard they were shooting a video for every song I assumed they're releasing them monthly or at least biweekly starting the album release day. I'm sure glad I heard the leak before watching the videos today cause I wouldn't wanna get introduced to the songs for the first time through the videos and out of their album order.
Anywho, the house I was living in flooded so I haven't had a chance to come talk about the album with you fellow leak listeners.
It's still early days but I think this album is musically equal to Death Magnetic in quality which I really thought they wouldn't be able to pull off. Hardwired is definitely superior sonically.
Misc. early impressions:
- Halo on Fire is the best "clean guitar verse/distorted chorus" song Metallica did since One, yep even The Unforgiven II. I'm not calling them ballads since the term has been saggy lately so I just used the long description format heh. Also this might be the best song on the album, or at least my favorite atm. Fuckin amazing, great structure and arrangements, doesn't feel as forced and constructed from a blueprint as The Day That Never Comes. Also the best video.
- Confusion might be a good song but the intro is ridiculously similar to Am I Evil so that turned me off a bit from the whole song, for now.
- Dream No More tries to be The Thing That Should Not Be and Sad But True but ends up being Where The Wild Things Are, which is not a bad thing but you know.. not as good. I like the song fine, but it seems a grower too.
- Now That We're Dead is as close as I felt to a Black Album vibe, the rest of the songs range from the Loads to DM.
- Disc 1 is vastly superior to disc 2, I want it to not matter and I wanna ignore the separation but somehow it still lurks to my head even though I 'm listening to mp3s.
- All three initial singles are great in their own way, I still can't think of them as part of the album yet, due to the bread crumbs situation.

BTW, Confusion VS The Enemy Inside, who handled the PTSD subject matter better lyrically and musically?

So exciting, looking forward to listening to that album daily for the next 6 month.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 17, 2016, 12:51:03 AM
BTW, Confusion VS The Enemy Inside, who handled the PTSD subject matter better lyrically and musically?

Musically I would say The Enemy Inside. Lyrically it's a toss up but I'm leaning more towards Confusion. I also want to add that the video for Confusion depicts PTSD better than the video for The Enemy Inside.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on November 17, 2016, 03:55:21 AM
I don't get the ManUNkind video. Why are they satirizing Mayhem? What does it have to do with the song (I haven't read the lyrics btw)?
It was directed by Jonas Åkerlund, who's also working on the Lords of Chaos film about the Norwegian black metal scene.

I've never been a huge Metallica fan, though I like the classic stuff, but after checking out all these songs and videos, I have to say this is a surprisingly decent album and easily better than Death Magnetic. Then again, I haven't listened to the whole thing from start to finish, so my first impression might be different if I'd listened to all the songs in the correct order. Moth into Flame, Dream No More and Spit Out the Bone are all pretty cool songs, and I also like Halo on Fire and Here Comes Revenge. I hate how the kick drums sound like ping pong balls, but that's still better than having a trash can-sounding snare. :P

BTW, I see Jess Cope has directed the video for Here Comes Revenge - maybe Trujillo got her to work for them, being a Steven Wilson fan? https://s4.postimg.org/7d9vjdpdp/swtrujillo.jpg
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on November 17, 2016, 04:05:27 AM
Haven't watched all the videos yet, but so far my favorite song is Dream No More. Cool doom/Sabbath vibe and Lovecraft lyrics! :metal

It seems like the album they should have relesead after Reload. Cool stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on November 17, 2016, 04:25:02 AM
I had no idea a new Metallica album is out tomorrow :blush

I stopped clicking on articles that mentioned "Metallica" and "new album" years ago, assuming they are all clickbait. Talk about the boy who cried wolf.

Anyway, I'm excited to read so many positive opinion here. I might just pick it up blindly after work if a local shop has it in store.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 06:03:48 AM
I really like the new Lords of Summer. The demo was pretty bad but this version is great.

On the whole - I need a few more listens to the whole album but i'd say it's better than Death Magnetic for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on November 17, 2016, 06:15:52 AM
Wow, it's a great album no doubt, bringing back a lot of cool elements from TBA, Load/Reload era. My only two minor complains:  Lords of Summer should be on the first 2 CDs. This version is killer, much better than the demo version. The second is that CD 2 suffers a bit from the long sequence of slower songs. IMO the album would flow better if  Am I Savage was before Halo on Fire on CD1, and the CD 2 opened with Lords of Summer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 06:33:24 AM
Wow, it's a great album no doubt, bringing back a lot of cool elements from TBA, Load/Reload era. My only two minor complains:  Lords of Summer should be on the first 2 CDs. This version is killer, much better than the demo version. The second is that CD 2 suffers a bit from the long sequence of slower songs. IMO the album would flow better if  Am I Savage was before Halo on Fire on CD1, and the CD 2 opened with Lords of Summer.

Now with iTunes and whatever - we can arrange the album how we like !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on November 17, 2016, 06:44:48 AM
Yeah, that's the beauty of technology! Nowadays we can customize almost everything :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 17, 2016, 06:50:07 AM
Has anyone seen the Jimmy Fallon clip with Jimmy, Metallica and The Roots playing "Enter Sandman" with children's instruments?  I love Jimmy's musical stuff and I love that Metallica has definitely gotten a sense of humor over the years.  However, to me, I think this crosses a line and makes Metallica look silly.  There's something about seeing Lars bang on a little toy drum and bashing finger cymbals and James playing a toy clarinet with kazoos going off all around them that's a little much.  A+ for creativity.  But, too painful to watch all the way through.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 17, 2016, 06:52:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)

And here's the link  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)

And here's the link  ;D

;D ;D

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is easily Metallica's most recent album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 17, 2016, 07:20:59 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is easily Metallica's most recent album.

I guarantee you'll change your mind by the time the next album comes out. ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 17, 2016, 07:24:34 AM
Wow, it's a great album no doubt, bringing back a lot of cool elements from TBA, Load/Reload era. My only two minor complains:  Lords of Summer should be on the first 2 CDs. This version is killer, much better than the demo version. The second is that CD 2 suffers a bit from the long sequence of slower songs. IMO the album would flow better if  Am I Savage was before Halo on Fire on CD1, and the CD 2 opened with Lords of Summer.
Not sure about that as none of the songs are really slow at all. Overall the first disc is a little thrashier and the second a little bluesier, but I quite dig that distinction. More call-back to early Metallica in the first half and more of a Load/Reload vibe in the second.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on November 17, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
I guess the band had that vision in mind, it makes sense.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on November 17, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
But... I will customize it anyway! ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
I don't get the ManUNkind video. Why are they satirizing Mayhem? What does it have to do with the song (I haven't read the lyrics btw)?
It was directed by Jonas Åkerlund

I thought the name sounded familiar so I looked him up and sure enough he has directed all of Rammstein's most recent music videos from 2009 to 2011.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 08:02:30 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is easily Metallica's most recent album.

I guarantee you'll change your mind by the time the next album comes out. ;)

:angry: Oh yeah why don't you make me ?!?!


My 3CD deluxe edition has been dispatched ! it'll be here tomorrow morning !! And my BluRay of Star Trek Beyond will arrive Monday !!

Nice birthday fortnight for me ;D Even though I bought Metallica and Star Trek myself... I did sell an album so that helps an ickle :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 08:05:04 AM
BTW this album wins the "most cheesiest song titles per album" award, most of the titles sound like what you'd call a demo before deciding on a title :lol
However Atlas Rise is a very cool title.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 08:15:50 AM
Comments online are saying things like " Lords of Summer should be called Lords of Winter or Lords of Metal..."

Why ? I'm so glad Metallica aren't one of THOSE bands. Who don't realise it's not 1985 still.

The song titles are fine.

Spit Out The Bone is probably the closest to a "metal" title. That's fine by me. There's plenty of other bands who try their very very best to be "tr00 Methulz"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 08:34:46 AM
They're not cheesy cause they're "metal" sounding, they're cheesy cause they're silly.
Now That You're Dead..
Here Comes Revenge..
Confusion..
I didn't even think about Spit Out The Bone and Lords of Summer til you mentioned them :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 17, 2016, 09:51:49 AM
You didn't even mention ManUnKind, which is an extremely Metallica name, but also totally ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 09:53:26 AM
About Manunkind:
"The clip provides the exclusive first glimpse at characters from Åkerlund's upcoming film Lords of Chaos, which is currently in production, and stars the movie's Rory Culkin, Jack Kilmer and Sky Ferreira. Lords of Chaos, based on the book of the same name, will tell the story of Mayhem, the controversial Norwegian band that brought the black-metal subgenre to international notoriety."

So I guess that explains it. If anyone here doesn't know Mayhem it's that black metal band from the 90's who's members killed each other, burned churches and your friends from college thought these were enough reasons to think a band is worth listening to.. because black metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 10:02:52 AM
Black Metal is just pure shit.


----- ANYWAY -----

The new album is clicking Big Time... I like the idea of a video for every song and in the modern age it's a great way of digesting an album and getting revenue for the band.

But I find I can appreciate the music more just by listening and songs i wasn't into whilst watching the vids are winning me over when I just listen to them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
Black Metal is just pure shit.

Agreed.

Just watched Spit Out The Bone (https://youtu.be/m46Z0-HXySo) video and what do you know; there's a spiked NOMAC in it. Now I wanna give The Astonishing a spin hehe
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2016, 10:12:02 AM
Black Metal is just pure shit.


Woah there, Black Metal Matters, brah!


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 10:16:40 AM
No, only Blues matter Adami!
RIP B.B. King
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 10:34:06 AM
Black Metal is just pure shit.


Woah there, Black Metal Matters, brah!

Black Metal to me is everything your parents think ALL rock music is.

I am glad the rest of Hardwired...To Self Destruct has big catchy choruses. I liked the first 3 songs fine but apart from maybe Moth Into Flame - the rest of the album is far superior.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 17, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
If I ever float over Kotowboy's head, I'll get hit with Adami's jokes :lol No offense to either guys.
Kotowboy I agree about the catchy choruses, good singalongs, all of them actually.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 17, 2016, 11:04:07 AM
I'm really liking some of these songs. Dream No More is soooo good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on November 17, 2016, 11:10:00 AM
If I ever float over Kotowboy's head, I'll get hit with Adami's jokes :lol No offense to either guys.

Never has a 'like' or '+1' button been more needed!

Just seen the video to Here Comes Revenge - another fabulous Jess Cope animation.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 11:16:27 AM
This album has a lot more of those Grimace-face-bob-your-head moments than Death Magnetic had.


This album is choc-a-bloc with them.

* i think it's their best album since Metallica in 1991

* But at least the best album since Load - which isn't that difficult I know.

* It's everything I wanted.

i. More slow tempo songs
ii. vocal harmonies
iii. more reload style songs
iv. better solos than Death Magnetic

:tup it's a result in my book !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2016, 11:19:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)

And here's the link  ;D

Not sure how someone can find something negative about this.  This besides being funny, is also pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 11:30:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)

And here's the link  ;D

Not sure how someone can find something negative about this.  This besides being funny, is also pretty awesome.

I liked it !! :tup


----------


Also : Spit Out The Bone video credits :

Cast:
Mindy Kelly – Mindy
Ian Mackay – Max
Techno Monks – Chris Jai Alex, Gene Freeman, Will Greenburg, John Nania, Sam Tan
Phil Mucci - Poor Bastard Who Gets Zapped :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 17, 2016, 12:00:46 PM
In my perception this album could have (and in retrospect, should have) come out after Re-Load. In my eyes, as flawed as the Loads are, they're still legitimate Metallica records when it comes to performance and production. I like St. Anger and Death Magnetic for what they are, but they felt way too amateurish for a Metallica album. This one, now we're back to the heavy, pristine production reminiscent of TBA/Load, with some elements of their thrash records thrown in. Metallica finally sound like themselves again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
In my perception this album could have (and in retrospect, should have) come out after Re-Load. In my eyes, as flawed as the Loads are, they're still legitimate Metallica records when it comes to performance and production. I like St. Anger and Death Magnetic for what they are, but they felt way too amateurish for a Metallica album. This one, now we're back to the heavy, pristine production reminiscent of TBA/Load, with some elements of their thrash records thrown in. Metallica finally sound like themselves again.

Yeah and it only took 20 years :P ***

Some of the negative comments/trolling about the new album are funny..

" I wasn't expecting ThreeLoad. Guess i'll have to wait another 8 years for a HEAVY album..."

:biggrin:




- -- - -- - -


*** Actually - when you think about it - it's crazy that this is only their THIRD studio album of original music since Reload.

In that time - mastodon have formed and released 6 albums with the 7th / due out in the Spring...

Also Dream Theater have put out NINE albums since Falling Into Infinity :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 17, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
* i think it's their best album since Metallica in 1991

Wasn't that hard to achieve to begin with  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 12:09:42 PM
which isn't that difficult I know.


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 17, 2016, 12:14:49 PM
Yeah, I managed to skip over that line, silly me
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 17, 2016, 12:20:15 PM
I agree that this feels like some kind of mixture (or monster) of TBA and the Loads, plus a little extra thrash here and there.

It definitely feels like a record they could have recorded at some point in the 90's before St. Anger and DM ever happened.

Overall, I've been really busy at work for the past couple days, so a lot of listening has kinda been in the background of a lot of other things... I'm still absorbing. My initial thoughts are that this is a strong release for these guys at this point in their careers. Easily their best effort since ReLoad for me. Maybe since TBA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on November 17, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
Early standouts for me are Atlas, Rise! and most of all Halo On Fire. It seems since the Black Album that at times the band sort of gets lost in their song writing and wander off making some of the songs sound a bit disjointed. There's lots of reallly cool moments on this album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 02:12:32 PM
Dream No More is absolutely my favourite. It's like The Thing That Should Not Be crossed with Sad But True and Devil's Dance.

The vocals are amazing.

The gallop in Confusion is straight off And Justice For All.

Here Comes Revenge has the best video and Halo On Fire has a massive chorus.

They even managed to make Lords of Summer into a great song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 17, 2016, 02:24:37 PM
Dream No More is absolutely my favourite. It's like The Thing That Should Not Be crossed with Sad But True and Devil's Dance.

It's an early standout to me as well. I'm a sucker for that Het palm mute. Fantastic song.

Halo on Fire is really, really good as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 17, 2016, 02:37:54 PM
Looking forward to picking this up tomorrow.  After the first 3 songs released, I've stayed away from anything else to keep a little of it as a surprise.  The first 3 were pleasant surprises.  Here's hoping the rest is as good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 02:45:30 PM
I'm so glad the album is varied and not just 10 different versions of Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 17, 2016, 02:53:49 PM
I'm so glad the album is varied and not just 10 different versions of Hardwired.

After getting the first taste of the album with 'Hardwired' I was afraid that the album would indeed be all-out, devoid of any dynamics. I remember posting earlier in this thread that I hoped there would be some slower, more breathing tracks on this album. And man, they delivered. You've got everything from thrash metal, to TBA style tracks, Load influences etcetera. Not every track is gold, but if I'm perfectly honest even an album like AJFA has some lackluster tracks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 02:56:18 PM
I think Master Of Puppets is flawless from start to finish but all their other albums have at least one track i don't like.

So far Hardwired...To Self Destruct doesn't have a track i don't like. And that includes the new version of Lords... And that's amazing for an 84 minute album...

This is seriously the album I wanted Metallica to make since 1997.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 17, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
This is the album I expected to hear when I got my copy of St. Anger in the record store in 2003. I remember putting that disc in my CD player, and being totally disillusioned because of how uncontrolled and horribly produced everything was, along with all the other flaws. This is the album that Metallica needed, even if it's 13  years too late. It's a banger.

And I actually like St. Anger for what it is. Once every two years. But I can see myself returning to HWTSD much more often.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 03:03:55 PM
Saint Anger - like SlipKnot's IOWA is an album to blast when you're pissed off.

It works wonders.

But not for casual listening. My World, Unnamed Feeling and Frantic are all great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 17, 2016, 03:25:38 PM
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2016, 03:29:15 PM
Saint Anger - like SlipKnot's IOWA is an album to blast when you're pissed off.

It works wonders.


Haven't tried for IOWA, but you're totally right about St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 17, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
I really had no expectations for how this thing would turn out, but after just listening to the stream of the whole album, I am pretty damn impressed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
I've only listened to the three songs released earlier and a minute of the others.

As a drummer, as much as Lars has significantly improved on this album, I keep finding myself saying "GOOD GOD MAN DO THIS AWESOME FILL THAT I WOULD HAVE DONE" a whole lot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 17, 2016, 03:47:15 PM
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.

Hell yes, and the riff around 4:00 has already become known as the 'Sawblade' riff. Or the riff that escaped from Gojira's 'Magma'. Solid track.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 04:49:17 PM
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.

It's my brother's favourite song on the album. He likes groovy bouncy riffs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 04:49:40 PM
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.

Hell yes, and the riff around 4:00 has already become known as the 'Sawblade' riff. Or the riff that escaped from Gojira's 'Magma'. Solid track.

Yes that riff brings the chunk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2016, 06:01:55 PM
Started listening/watching the videos on youtube and really enjoying what I am hearing/watching  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 17, 2016, 07:42:58 PM
I'm enjoying the crap out of all of these videos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2016, 07:45:13 PM
I have no idea why I'm still holding off till tomorrow, but I am.

So I am looking forward to listening to the album tomorrow and watching all of the videos (in full) over the weekend.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2016, 08:08:15 PM
I found the songs clicked more for me when I just listened & didn't watch the video.

Just had a listen on Spotify. It doesn't seem that loud. I had my speakers on full and it was comfortable.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2016, 08:19:59 PM
As good as the drums sound this time, they feel really....dry. Usually it's not a big deal, but I listened to a bit of Lords of Summer and the lack of reverb on the drums was extremely felt on that one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 17, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
Oh how I wish half of the second disc didn't exist. Or atleast was bonus material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 01:13:56 AM
Just got home from a midnight release at an old fashioned record store.
Short video (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Met-Fan/media/20161117_235242_zpsakpglksy.mp4.html) of the scene.
I got there around 11:45 and there was already a long line, the store people said they were instructed not to sell the album until it's midnight but they blasted it over the store and passed around beer cans. It was fun talking to other fans in line, I had a DT shirt on so I got a couple of "Cool band.. don't like the new album though" which DT really should start paying me a "Defender of The Astonishing" salary, but even worse one guy asked me what the concept story was and I stood there telling the story for like 5 minutes and trying to have it make sense heh
They gave out a sticker and a poster with the album.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Met-Fan/th_20161118_005016_zpsrbdjxxvn.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Met-Fan/media/20161118_005016_zpsrbdjxxvn.jpg.html)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Met-Fan/th_20161117_235802_zps2jhbgi0e.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Met-Fan/media/20161117_235802_zps2jhbgi0e.jpg.html)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Met-Fan/th_20161118_000248_zpsoeiyf9ug.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Met-Fan/media/20161118_000248_zpsoeiyf9ug.jpg.html)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Met-Fan/th_20161118_004249_zpsheyonpvt.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Met-Fan/media/20161118_004249_zpsheyonpvt.jpg.html)


Got the cashier to take a picture of me with the CD and random people in line haha
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Met-Fan/20161118_005527_zpsyr7klr70.jpg)

My haul
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Met-Fan/th_20161118_013444_zpsuel88gpv.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/Met-Fan/media/20161118_013444_zpsuel88gpv.jpg.html)


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 18, 2016, 02:02:46 AM
Cool. On my firsts listen. About four tracks in. Great album so far.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 18, 2016, 02:03:21 AM
Bought it off of Itunes. Will be listening on my long drive to work tomorrow morning. Wooooo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:27:10 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxia5M5WgAAlhTk.jpg:large)

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 18, 2016, 03:34:57 AM
Okay, not gonna lie. Spit Out the Bone is crazy good, might just check out some more songs later today, is there anything like this on the album or is it a one-of-a-kind?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on November 18, 2016, 03:36:40 AM
Listening to it on spotify. Pretty cool record. Dream No More is an early favorite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:53:12 AM
Okay, not gonna lie. Spit Out the Bone is crazy good, might just check out some more songs later today, is there anything like this on the album or is it a one-of-a-kind?

Spit out the Bone is the fastest song besides hardwired.


Moth Into Flame is the next fastest after that. The rest of the album is medium tempo in a Black Album / Reload vibe.

Dream No More is like a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be. Slow and downtuned and EPIC.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 04:38:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxiq8W3XgAQeULz.jpg:large)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 18, 2016, 05:30:42 AM
Okay, not gonna lie. Spit Out the Bone is crazy good, might just check out some more songs later today, is there anything like this on the album or is it a one-of-a-kind?

Spit out the Bone is the fastest song besides hardwired.


Moth Into Flame is the next fastest after that. The rest of the album is medium tempo in a Black Album / Reload vibe.

Dream No More is like a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be. Slow and downtuned and EPIC.
I'll look into it, maybe I was a bit harsh on my first listens on some of these songs but I was planning to give them more attention anyway. So far had listened to the 3 pre-release singles + Dream No More, ManUNkind and Spit Out the Bone. Really dug the last one, phenomenal song, and Moth Into Flame was also great, but I didn't really like any of the others I heard.

Maybe I can make some time for a full album listen later today, I doubt it though
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 18, 2016, 06:40:13 AM
Ok, I'm diving in. As someone who still considers Metallica my #1 band of all time I'm looking forward to this. Especially based on comments here. I listened to Hardwired a few times (and wasn't overly impressed) and then some of the other tracks once. I don't like to over listen to singles, I'd rather experience a new album without being too familiar with any of the songs.

I'm on Moth into Flame at the moment so it's only Now That We're Dead that has been a completely new listen so far. I liked Atlas, Rise! more on second listen, probably my fave track so far.

Spit Out the Bone sounds interesting so I'll turn that up loud. I'll report back after my first full listen  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Elite on November 18, 2016, 07:17:03 AM
Whatever, I'll listen to it today as well, though I fully expect not to really like it :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 18, 2016, 08:11:27 AM
'Spit Out the Bone' was originally 10 minutes long (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/lars_spit_out_the_bone_was_originally_10_minutes_long.html?no_takeover).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2016, 08:20:26 AM
Loved the video for Spit out the Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on November 18, 2016, 08:49:18 AM
On my first listen now (including all the bonus material). Holy shit Spit Out The Bone :metal :metal :metal :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 09:14:02 AM
On my first listen now (including all the bonus material). Holy shit Spit Out The Bone :metal :metal :metal :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Several goosebump moments on this album

1. The outro to Halo On Fire - " Then Only Darkness...Say Goodbye ! "

2. The verse of Spit Out the Bone " Come Unto Me - and you will feel perfection ! "

3. The verses of Dream No More - " He Sleeps Under Black Seas Waiting..."

4. That section of Spit Out The Bone - " Stop Breathing...and Dedicate To Me...Stop Dreaming...And Terminate For Me..."

 :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 18, 2016, 09:30:05 AM
I think the whole first disc is awesome. The second disc has a couple "meh" spots for me, songs like ManUNkind, Am I Savage?, and Murder One have't clicked. They aren't bad, just not grabbing me yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 09:36:30 AM
I'm a huge fan of swung metal songs. So ManUNkind is a winner for me. Am I savage is swung too ...


Despite about 9 out of 13 being mid tempo - I don't think there's a bad "song" on the album on a " Poor Twisted Me " level of bad.

I've made a playlist for my phone of the album plus Lords of Summer. 13 songs and 84 mins.  :tup

The new Lords of Summer is *WAY* better than the demo. I LOVE the way James sings " Let Your Fire BURN " around the 6:50 mark. Chills.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 18, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
Yeah this album made me understand one thing for sure, I can't stand Hetfield's vocals post TBA with the exception of DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 10:12:40 AM
 :o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on November 18, 2016, 10:17:05 AM
The chunky, grungy, mid-level tempo songs are doing nothing for me upon first listen. We'll see if that changes after a few more listens but so I far I think the album is fairly boring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on November 18, 2016, 10:17:32 AM
Joining the appreciation for Am I savage? Tremendous song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on November 18, 2016, 10:24:27 AM
I think Am I Savage suffers from a wonky arrangement, but the main riff is one of the best on the album
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 18, 2016, 10:30:34 AM
Different formats have different head pictures?  Nice detail. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 18, 2016, 10:35:40 AM
:o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?

Not necessarily worse, but I really dislike the vocal style on most of the songs with the exception of Moth and Spit. Especially the vocal melodies on Dream No More make the song unlistenable for me, even though it is pretty okay instrumentally.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on November 18, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
Am I Savage is the only song i disliked so far. Confusion is getting better with each listen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 10:38:08 AM
Am I Savage is the only song i disliked so far. Confusion is getting better with each listen.

DAT GALLOP.

Seriously that riff sounds like it came straight off And Justice For All..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 18, 2016, 10:48:35 AM
:o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?

Not necessarily worse, but I really dislike the vocal style on most of the songs with the exception of Moth and Spit. Especially the vocal melodies on Dream No More make the song unlistenable for me, even though it is pretty okay instrumentally.

Wow, interesting opinion. I think Het's vocals are really good on this. Easily his best vocal work since ReLoad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2016, 11:07:17 AM
:o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?

Not necessarily worse, but I really dislike the vocal style on most of the songs with the exception of Moth and Spit. Especially the vocal melodies on Dream No More make the song unlistenable for me, even though it is pretty okay instrumentally.

Wow, interesting opinion. I think Het's vocals are really good on this. Easily his best vocal work since ReLoad.

Yea, I think the vocals are noticeably better than the last two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 18, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
Several goosebump moments on this album

1. The outro to Halo On Fire - " Then Only Darkness...Say Goodbye ! "

2. The verse of Spit Out the Bone " Come Unto Me - and you will feel perfection ! "

4. That section of Spit Out The Bone - " Stop Breathing...and Dedicate To Me...Stop Dreaming...And Terminate For Me..."


Wholehearteadly agree on these three!!!!  :metal

It's ironic how Am I Savage in title reminds a lot of Am I Evil, and yet it's one of the earlier songs (Either Confusion or ManUnkind, can't remember right now) that sounds slightly like the actual song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Polarbear on November 18, 2016, 12:04:07 PM
I'm pretty surprised!

I'm enjoying this new Metallica album, more than i ever thought i would!

Now That We're Dead has a great rhythm and a catchy chorus, and Spit Out The Bone is just glorious!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 18, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
I finally finished my first listen, and I can honestly say I have tears of joy in my eyes. Ever since the huge disappointment/turmoil of St. Anger, I've been saying how bad I've wanted an album with the perfect mix of thrash and Load-style melodies and grooves, and I finally got my wish. These guys have wowed me yet again, the performances of all the members are top notch, especially James, the production is outstanding and the songwriting is fantastic! Spit Out The Bone definitely didn't disappoint despite all the hype, what a song! I'd have to say this is easily the best Metallica album since The Black Album. My boys are back and I've never been more proud to call Metallica my favorite band! Cheers!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 12:11:14 PM
Several goosebump moments on this album

1. The outro to Halo On Fire - " Then Only Darkness...Say Goodbye ! "

2. The verse of Spit Out the Bone " Come Unto Me - and you will feel perfection ! "

4. That section of Spit Out The Bone - " Stop Breathing...and Dedicate To Me...Stop Dreaming...And Terminate For Me..."


Wholehearteadly agree on these three!!!!  :metal

It's ironic how Am I Savage in title reminds a lot of Am I Evil, and yet it's one of the earlier songs (Either Confusion or ManUnkind, can't remember right now) that sounds slightly like the actual song.

It's Confusion. 

I imagine that Diamond Head have made enough money from Metallica over the years covering Am I Evil - and it being on Garage Inc - that they have no problem with the similarity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 18, 2016, 12:20:15 PM
Yeah the outro of Halo is soooo good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 01:18:43 PM
In the tradition of mis-heard lyrics in Metallica songs...

At 2:40 in Halo on Fire it sounds like " Deprive Deep Fried "

That caveman diet getting Papa het down ? :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...

Not Lulu since it was a collab.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zoom E on November 18, 2016, 02:22:36 PM
In the tradition of mis-heard lyrics in Metallica songs...

At 2:40 in Halo on Fire it sounds like " Deprive Deep Fried "

That caveman diet getting Papa het down ? :biggrin:

Deprive deep fried is what I heard too 😆

Just finished my first listen of the full album and found it a bit monotonous due to the songs mostly being in the same tempo. Definitely had some good moments though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 18, 2016, 02:25:00 PM
Show in London livestream here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ZGXySaI0A

Quality is awesome!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 18, 2016, 02:27:53 PM
In the tradition of mis-heard lyrics in Metallica songs...

At 2:40 in Halo on Fire it sounds like " Deprive Deep Fried "

That caveman diet getting Papa het down ? :biggrin:

Deprive deep fried is what I heard too 😆

Just finished my first listen of the full album and found it a bit monotonous due to the songs mostly being in the same tempo. Definitely had some good moments though.

Yup. "Play slower" people be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 02:33:50 PM
https://youtu.be/H4ZGXySaI0A live stream, what an amazing venue!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 02:41:39 PM
Anyone's been watching? I started watching with SBT and dunno what came before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 02:57:14 PM
Breadfan
Four Horsemen
Battery
Sad But True
-Kirk solo-
Fade To Black
Atlas Rise
Harvester of Sorrow.

The band has been doing promo all week and James is clearly exhausted.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:01:44 PM
Moth Into Flame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 03:06:48 PM
James looks both exhausted and a bit pissy heh
I like how the album has a lot of back vocals moment, which they didn't have on DM because "we couldn't make it work live" but Kirk and Rob are still doing a horrible job on the back vocals, I like how Hetfield seems not to care about that so much anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:08:09 PM
BASS SOLO

Damn it sounds fat.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:08:44 PM
ONE.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 03:15:56 PM
Enough old songs..
But I guess they've been too busy to rehearse a lot of new songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:16:39 PM
MASTER
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 03:18:58 PM
Kotowboy it's just you and me here and we're both watching, you don't need to keep posting the setlist man :lol
This is in London, how far away from you is that venue btw?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:20:45 PM
About 300 miles. I live on the west coast of Wales :biggrin:

ps. Bellz, Sandman, Whiskey, Hardwired, Seek.


Besides people can check out this thread later.  Keeping for posterior :zydar:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2016, 03:22:37 PM
I would have driven to it if I were you, but then again it looks so exclusive the audience there probably had to suck a lot of important dicks to get tickets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:24:59 PM
It was a raffle and even then it was first come, first served.

And the amount of planning and train fares, accommodation and tube fares etc would have been totally not worth it.

I don't drive so it would take a LOT to get all the way to London.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 18, 2016, 03:30:22 PM
I haven't been able to catch every song, but they sound really good.

And since I give Kirk shit all the time, I want to point out that he sounds better right now than he has in a long time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:33:04 PM
I haven't been able to catch every song, but they sound really good.

And since I give Kirk shit all the time, I want to point out that he sounds better right now than he has in a long time.

He says he's quit drinking but i wonder if he's switched to lighter strings and lower action ?

He mentioned in an interview not too long ago that he plays with high action as a challenge.

Maybe he finally decided against it ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: gazinwales on November 18, 2016, 03:34:34 PM
Thanks for posting and updating the setlist Taff  :xbones

Yeah London is a pain to get to from Wales, I used to live in Pembrokeshire and only went to London twice in 7 years.
Taking the bus and then trying to get around London is a nightmare and driving, forget it parking fees are horrendous.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 18, 2016, 03:36:18 PM
Thanks for posting and updating the setlist Taff  :xbones

Yeah London is a pain to get to from Wales, I used to live in Pembrokeshire and only went to London twice in 7 years.
Taking the bus and then trying to get around London is a nightmare and driving, forget it parking fees are horrendous.

My sister lives in Guildford so i could get the train to Waterloo then a tube. But I don't want to make all that effort for one gig.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 18, 2016, 03:45:55 PM
Spit Out The Bone needs to be the closing song on the Worldwired tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2016, 04:41:04 PM
https://youtu.be/H4ZGXySaI0A live stream, what an amazing venue!

Watching this now and agreed.  What a crazy long narrow venue.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 18, 2016, 07:30:55 PM
https://youtu.be/H4ZGXySaI0A live stream, what an amazing venue!

Watching this now and agreed.  What a crazy long narrow venue.

Awesome. Just watched The Four Horseman. Rob is so awesome on this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 18, 2016, 07:33:19 PM
Really liked the album, though I need to listen to it more since it's not super memorable.

However....those live songs.....god dammit Kirk. I actually had to start skipping songs when it got to the solo because of how horrible he was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 18, 2016, 07:37:04 PM
However....those live songs.....god dammit Kirk. I actually had to start skipping songs when it got to the solo because of how horrible he was.
I thought he was better than usual! :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on November 19, 2016, 01:40:24 AM
However....those live songs.....god dammit Kirk. I actually had to start skipping songs when it got to the solo because of how horrible he was.
I thought he was better than usual! :lol

Really? He was horrendously out of tune during his leads...well, he normally is, so..  :lol
The show was cool though  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on November 19, 2016, 02:49:31 AM
Kirk's guitars (probably the lower strings) were out of tune until they got to One, where he finally got a guitar that stayed in tune better. His solos were mostly alright, though I don't like what he does with the outro solo of Fade to Black these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 03:34:01 AM
It's Lars who is playing better than usual these days.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2016, 07:10:13 AM
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already.  It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 19, 2016, 07:19:33 AM
^ I had the same initial reaction to people getting excited about the upcoming album after hearing Hardwired. I'm still not a fan of the album but I think Spit out the Bone is fantastic, particularly because of that instrumental section.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2016, 07:19:46 AM
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already.  It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.

Disagree. Spit Out The Bone is a special song from them, and the feeling I got after first hearing it was one that I haven't felt since I first got into Metallica. Certainly didn't feel it from anything on DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
To each his own.  I heard riffs and vocal accents in there that sounded just like ones in All Nightmare Long and My Apocalypse.  But hey, this is like throwing red meat to their base, so more power to 'em.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 19, 2016, 07:37:26 AM
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already.  It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.

I think there's definitely an element of that with the hardcore part of the fanbase, with Spit Out The Bone standing out as one of the only really thrashy tracks on the album (along with Hardwired), and also being longer like RTL/MOP, so the oldschool fans will be drawn to this song over the slower songs that have more comparison to TBA/Load/Reload, which those fans often dislike.
Of course, there are also people who legitimately think it's great too, but I'm with you, and don't really get it. I think the riff is one of the better ones on the album, but the verses and chorus are quite forgettable imo aside from grunting out the song title.

I'm pretty much over the album already, it doesn't have much new to offer over the older albums, and I actually think DM was the much stronger album despite my strong criticisms of it. I wish I enjoyed this album more, because they've gone the direction I'd hoped they'd go after DM, but the songwriting quality just isn't there for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 19, 2016, 08:07:42 AM
Kirk's guitars (probably the lower strings) were out of tune until they got to One, where he finally got a guitar that stayed in tune better. His solos were mostly alright, though I don't like what he does with the outro solo of Fade to Black these days.
Ah, I didn't really get a chance to tune in until One, so that might explain the difference in opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 09:43:01 AM
page break...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 09:44:51 AM

Ah, I didn't really get a chance to tune in until One, so that might explain the difference in opinion.

James was blatantly shattered and looked weary and his voice suffered. At some points he looked like he'd rather be in bed ;D

Lars was solid. He's much better these days save for playing too fast here and there but much improved on the whole.

As is Kirk generally. His playing the last couple of gigs has been MUCH better. On tempo and pitch.

Rob is Rob.




I'm pretty much over the album already, it doesn't have much new to offer over the older albums, and I actually think DM was the much stronger album despite my strong criticisms of it. I wish I enjoyed this album more, because they've gone the direction I'd hoped they'd go after DM, but the songwriting quality just isn't there for me.

Pretty much the exact opposite for me ;D

Except for this...

We agree on that at least.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 19, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...

Not Lulu since it was a collab.

Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 09:46:23 AM
On the official metallica site it says their 11th album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 19, 2016, 09:48:31 AM
Yellow text says what?   :facepalm:

Funny how this is split over two CD's, Load/Reload were around the same length and one CD.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 09:53:49 AM
Yellow text says what?   :facepalm:


I was agreeing that this was the direction I was hoping for after Death Magnetic.

Sorry if that's a face palm moment for you.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 19, 2016, 09:54:47 AM
Haha, sorry I meant it's hard to read.  Or is it just me?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 10:04:46 AM
:hug: I'm using a blue background. So It looks fine to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 19, 2016, 10:52:40 AM
Album's OK. Some good songs, some not so good songs. Best song is definitely Spit out the Bone. Lars doesn't like fills much, but he LOVES that snare.

Confusion has a similar intro to Am I Evil. I thought Am I Savage would have that. I don't get the praise for Dream No More.

Overall, It's better than Death Magnetic, so that's a plus. They are getting better, but much like new Maiden, there isn't much replay value. In Maiden's case, there isn't any replay value. Anything after Brave New World is BLEH.

Good job, Metallica, you made some songs I like.

Ride the Lightning is still the best them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 11:42:55 AM

Ride the Lightning is still the best them.

^_^

Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 19, 2016, 11:45:48 AM
Well, while you'll never see me disagree with anyone praising Master, my personal preference is slightly inclined towards Ride. Kinda like with DT, I will never badmouth Images and Words but I find myself enjoying a little bit more Awake (just to make a comparison).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 19, 2016, 11:51:10 AM

Ride the Lightning is still the best them.

^_^

Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...

No.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 12:09:22 PM

Ride the Lightning is still the best them.

^_^

Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...

No.

^_^

Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Yes but were thinking of No at the time...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 19, 2016, 12:20:13 PM
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...

Not Lulu since it was a collab.

Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...

Yeah I noticed this in August when Lars premiered Hardwired during a radio interview and said "11th studio album", I checked Wikipedia and it said 10th. I think he's counting Beyond Magnetic because it was a release of entirely original material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on November 19, 2016, 12:24:35 PM
What's different about Spit out the bone compared to their more generic speed metal tunes is the very refined vocal melody throughout. The fact that the vocal harmonies drive the fast, frenetic verses is very special, and some of the echoing, answering backing vocals later in the song are a nice, melodic touch. It's also fairly unpredictable, the one-line pre-chorus is a fine example, as well as the slow breakdown in the middle. Kirk delivers some of the catchier phrases as well. It's a very solid track.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 19, 2016, 12:32:39 PM

Ride the Lightning is still the best them.

^_^

Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...

No.

^_^

Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Yes but were thinking of No at the time...

 :lol  I actually like Ride a little better than Master.  The dark sound appeals to me more.  And that cover art!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 12:33:07 PM
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...

Not Lulu since it was a collab.

Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...

Yeah I noticed this in August when Lars premiered Hardwired during a radio interview and said "11th studio album", I checked Wikipedia and it said 10th. I think he's counting Beyond Magnetic because it was a release of entirely original material.

That's an EP and Garage Inc Disc 1 - whilst not NEW songs was still a new studio recording.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2016, 12:37:38 PM
What's different about Spit out the bone compared to their more generic speed metal tunes is the very refined vocal melody throughout. The fact that the vocal harmonies drive the fast, frenetic verses is very special, and some of the echoing, answering backing vocals later in the song are a nice, melodic touch. It's also fairly unpredictable, the one-line pre-chorus is a fine example, as well as the slow breakdown in the middle. Kirk delivers some of the catchier phrases as well. It's a very solid track.

Nailed it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 19, 2016, 06:03:22 PM
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...

Not Lulu since it was a collab.

Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...

Yeah I noticed this in August when Lars premiered Hardwired during a radio interview and said "11th studio album", I checked Wikipedia and it said 10th. I think he's counting Beyond Magnetic because it was a release of entirely original material.

That's an EP and Garage Inc Disc 1 - whilst not NEW songs was still a new studio recording.

No I don't think they count cover albums as studio albums. They're either counting Beyond Magnetic or Lulu IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2016, 06:26:05 PM
Lulu is a Lou Reed album and Beyond Magnetic is an EP. In their discography on https://metallica.com/releases/albums they've got Garage Inc but no BM or Lulu so...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 19, 2016, 09:08:09 PM
They also got S&M and Through The Never there so...
Well either way they're counting wrong and Wikipedia is counting right IMO, this is their 10th studio album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 19, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Did a 2nd listen through.

Mostly really good songs. I think it was Confusion that I didn't care for. Kirk, however, continues to disappoint. He is playing very tightly with surprisingly little wah pedal. However his solos are almost all exactly the same thing and are mostly boring as all hell. A real shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NunoTenniscourt on November 20, 2016, 03:13:25 AM
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already.  It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.

I agree. 8 years is a pretty long starvation period, and I'm fairly certain it had a lot to do with all the hype about this song and the album in general.
I gave the album a shot, and it's not horrible, but certainly nothing special, either. Overall, it seemed like they were just reliving all the phases of their career.

I'm beginning to think I've just simply outgrown them and their style.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 20, 2016, 03:50:57 AM
I definitely really like the album, but I would have liked to see Kirk collaborate on some of the songs, besides just solos.

(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-20%20at%205.39.21%20AM_zpsiwnxxfhj.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-20%20at%205.39.21%20AM_zpsiwnxxfhj.png.html)

Completely Lars and James writing everything except Rob contributing on one track. Just kind of shocked me since after all that "therapy" I thought they were going to go forward "as a band unit" from now on and stuff. But whatever I guess. I still like the album a lot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Scorpion on November 20, 2016, 04:01:18 AM
Apparently, he lost his iPhone, which contained 250-ish riffs and ideas and didn't have a backup, which is why he didn't have anything to contribute. Doesn't sound that plausible to me (I mean, you'd guess he'd at least remember a couple of his ideas, or come up with some new stuff after losing it), but who knows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 04:08:11 AM
I bet that's a cover story and there's something else going on.

Nothing untoward like Lars not wanting Kirk to write or anything... But maybe was away a lot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on November 20, 2016, 04:12:43 AM
Tbh I think the fact that James and Lars handled pretty much all of the songwriting is probably one of the main reasons this album sounds so focused compared to DM or St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 20, 2016, 04:20:43 AM
It does sound like a cover story but I don't think it is cause we've known about Kirk losing his iPhone with the riffs long before they entered the studio to record Hardwired, I remember him talking about it in Through The Never period video interviews and on Kerrang magazine.

I definitely really like the album, but I would have liked to see Kirk collaborate on some of the songs, besides just solos.

That caught my eyes on the CD booklet, the song credits part. If you wrote a guitar solo for a song, that doesn't qualify you to be added to the writing credit? It's an original piece of music that you contributed!

Tbh I think the fact that James and Lars handled pretty much all of the songwriting is probably one of the main reasons this album sounds so focused compared to DM or St. Anger.

I agree on the benefit of having just Lars and James write the music but I wouldn't say it's about focus, to me it's more about song structures and arrangement. I found DM very focused and clear on what it wants to accomplish. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 04:35:56 AM
Song writing credits only count if you contribute to the actual arrangement or body of the song.

Putting bass on a track which merely mirrors the riff written by someone else isn't writing a song apparently.

Nor is playing a guitar solo on a song which someone else wrote. You didn't "write the song" technically. **

But whatever. Not all bands follow this rule. U2 have split everything 25% since day one.

I'd have preferred to see Hetfield/Ulrich/Hammett/Trujillo on everything

Kirk didn't even get a writing credit on Lords of Summer.



** - p.s. that Disposable Heroes-esque guitar climb in the chorus of Moth Into Flame was written by James. So Kirk really did just come in and do solos by the looks of it.


-----------------

Also it's funny seeing people call this album "ThreeLoad" and say stuff like " I didn't wait 8 years for another LOAD. ::) Guess i'll have to wait another 8 years for a heavy album.."

This album is heavy as shit. If you just want every song to be fast thrash - Slayer are available. ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 05:44:28 AM
p.s. I like how in Spit Out The Bone - the guitar solo sounds like someone going " nom nom nom nom " :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on November 20, 2016, 05:52:37 AM
Early reaction is I'm really liking this album. Most of it sits somewhere in between the Black Album and Load, only heavier. In discussing their last couple albums with a friend I said that St Anger was I think a necessary exercise from them (and it does have some really great riffs/ideas, just poor execution), Death Magnetic was them trying to write an 80s Metallica album (and they produced a half decent facsimile of one), and this album just feels like them rocking the fuck out and doing what they want and I love it. Spit Out The Bone is also easily the best thrashy song they've written since Justice for me. I wanted them to put this album out just so they'd start touring again, but I'm very pleasantly surprised by the end result. I hope they play more than the three songs they have been from it when they start seriously touring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 06:10:25 AM
James has trouble singing Atlas so they'll probably change it on the proper tour.

The good thing about this albums tempo is that it will be a lot easier to play live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on November 20, 2016, 10:47:28 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't it always been James and Lars writing all the music?  I know they all contribute riff tapes but thats it for Kirk and Jason and Robert.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 20, 2016, 11:40:05 AM
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload

Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2016, 11:41:37 AM
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload

Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.

I'm not sure which solo you're referring to, but Kirk has said that the first two solos were based around what James was jamming on at times.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 11:45:15 AM
Yeah in the making of Moth Into Flame - James is writing a guitar part with Greg that Kirk plays live...So... Who knows how much kirk actually even writes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2016, 12:13:42 PM
All of Metallica's classic albums that people wish Metallica would be more like (less so me) were written by James and Lars with an occasional riff by Kirk. Not sure why the hoopla that he didn't contribute to this album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
On Death Magnetic they included a riff per member in every song.

Look how that turned out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Elite on November 20, 2016, 12:22:43 PM
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already.  It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.

This pretty much, but it also applies to the rest of the album for me. Granted, I have only listened to the entire thing ONCe (so cut me some slack), but on first listen I wasn;t really impressed at all. Most of the songs sounded like a 3rd rate band that was trying to sound like Metallica. As far as song-writing goes, there's actually quite some decent riffs on there and James' vocals are better than ever before. The drumming Lars does is absolutely fine and I don't see why he gets so much hate; yes, it is straightforward and a lot of the same stuff, but it fits the music and it's very tight. Where the album falls flat to me completely is every single guitar solo Kirk Hammett plays. It's all the same, he sounds exhausted and like he has given up. Pentatonic scale abuse every single time, to the point where his solos are actually a chore to get through. Add to it that every song is (once again) written in E minor (except for Dream No More) and the record gets pretty shallow - on first listen at least.

While there's quite some interesting stuff going on here, I think it's pretty tiring to hear the same E-string riffage all the time. I guess it's become James' voice sounds best in E or something, but these guys have made a career out of playing the same (or at least similar) riffs on open strings over and over again. And Kirk's solos are bad.

I initially didn't really want to post any of this, because I guess this will be shat upon by anyone who thinks this record is really good and while I can see the appeal, I don't think I will listen to this record much more often than the one time I did already.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
Listen to it in headphones on a walk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2016, 12:54:18 PM
I've realized I don't understand the title of Murder One. I know Motorhead but I'm not their biggest fan, is "Murder one" a reference to one of their songs, like most of the lyrics? while I understand the words themselves I don't get the actual meaning of the line "murder all, murder one, give me murder, second class to none".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
Lemmy had MURDER ONE on his amp.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 20, 2016, 01:18:48 PM
How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?

Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on November 20, 2016, 01:35:07 PM
Now That We're Dead is surprisingly alright considering the runtime, but nothing special. Here Comes Revenge starts pretty good but doesn't really go anywhere interesting, 7 minutes isn't justified.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on November 20, 2016, 01:45:59 PM
I agree with almost everything Elite wrote a few post before, except for Kirk's performance on Atlas rise, I really like the solo section on this song. It's a bit un-Metallica and ventures into Power-Rangers-cheese territory, but at least it's fun and feels like Metallica moving forward rather than chasing the past.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on November 20, 2016, 01:58:05 PM
Where the album falls flat to me completely is every single guitar solo Kirk Hammett plays. It's all the same, he sounds exhausted and like he has given up. Pentatonic scale abuse every single time, to the point where his solos are actually a chore to get through. Add to it that every song is (once again) written in E minor (except for Dream No More) and the record gets pretty shallow - on first listen at least.
As I said earlier I find the album pretty decent, but I kinda agree with you on Kirk's solos: they go in one ear and out the other. They're not bad to the point of ruining the songs, but not memorable either. It's glaringly obvious that he's the weak link of the band (yes, including Lars) nowadays, both live and in the studio. I didn't realize 11/12 of the songs are in E minor, but even on the classic Met albums pretty much every song is in that key. It doesn't bother me as much as the newer In Flames albums where every goddamn song is in A# minor.
How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?

Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.
NTWD has a cool groove and nice vocal melodies; it's got a strong Black Album vibe. Here Comes Revenge is one of the best tracks because of the dark verses, and I like how there's some semi-fast picking, though the song is mid-tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Lemmy had MURDER ONE on his amp.

Ah ok, thanks!

How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?

Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.
NTWD has a cool groove and nice vocal melodies; it's got a strong Black Album vibe. Here Comes Revenge is one of the best tracks because of the dark verses, and I like how there's some semi-fast picking, though the song is mid-tempo.

I essentially agree on both counts. Here Comes Revenge really has a great buildup in the verses.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
it's cool that songs like Halo On Fire, Here Comes Revenge do at least have clean guitar and clean singing in the verses.

It's not JUST amps on full blast for 77 minutes. Light and shade and dynamics are always good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 20, 2016, 04:17:01 PM
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload

Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.

I'm not sure which solo you're referring to, but Kirk has said that the first two solos were based around what James was jamming on at times.

The final solo with the fast tapping.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 20, 2016, 05:11:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bid8FpT.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 05:13:00 PM
Spit out The Coke ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 05:14:10 PM
So far all the videos Metallica made for the new album have almost 60m views combined.

I dunno what that makes for them but add advertising on the videos on top plus all the live videos they put on there etc...

I reckon it's probably paid for all the videos to be made.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 20, 2016, 05:30:27 PM
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload

Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.

I'm not sure which solo you're referring to, but Kirk has said that the first two solos were based around what James was jamming on at times.

The final solo with the fast tapping.

Yeah it's a good solo but throughout rock history no one has ever gotten a songwriting credit for playing a guitar solo. To receive songwriting credit you have to WRITE A SONG.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zoom E on November 20, 2016, 05:55:20 PM
My bonus CD is scratched and skips madly during the last two songs.  :-\

Also, why is there no track listing for the bonus CD anywhere in the booklet?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 20, 2016, 06:24:32 PM
There kinda is in the credits.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2016, 06:49:43 PM
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on November 20, 2016, 06:53:38 PM
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.

One of my first thoughts on the album too.   The riff , although a bit familiar , is great but by the end it seems a bit wasted on the song.  I still like it , but it could've been a lot better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2016, 06:58:20 PM
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.

One of my first thoughts on the album too.   The riff , although a bit familiar , is great but by the end it seems a bit wasted on the song.  I still like it , but it could've been a lot better.

Still working my way trough it. ManUNKind, other than the (awesome) chorus, has a wicked Sabbath feel.

After two runs through, Atlas rise easily my fave.

Death Magnetic is much better IMO.

Definitely not worth the 8 years wait.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 20, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
Death Magnetic is much better IMO.

I think I like them both the same but it's too early to tell.

How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?

Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.

I love the intro to Now That We're Dead, it's the most Black Album sounding song on this album IMO.
I'm trying to reach acceptance to how Here Comes Revenge failed capitalizing on that verse and pre-chorus, that menacing riffage and drumming pattern that comes in after the verse for a moment when he sings "I am here I’m hell unbound" then goes away to completely kill that menacing vibe on the next line "Burn your kingdom to the ground" and then the chorus, I think it needed to go another line or two. It's like having the verse of The Thing That Should Not Be lead into the chorus of Enter Sandman. I dunno if I'm making any sense but this bothers me so much every time I hear that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 21, 2016, 02:08:32 AM
Ok, heard it now once and have to echo mostly Elite's statement.

Not really feeling this, some songs are decent but overall I'm a little bit underwhelmed. This may change when I get more listens and I don't have my hopes up.

But what stands out are Kirk's absolutely unnecessary solos. He plays the same hammer-on/pull-off patterns with a wah wah pedal in every song. At first I don't mind, then it gets boring, then it gets annoying and then I'm glad when the solo is over.
The intros to most songs are meh, not having to do with the actual song and Lars trying to play in a marching bang?
Lars' drumming overall is okay but the sound of his base drum is not to my liking (and I'm still not a fan of his drumming style).
I think ManUNkind is lame. Spit Out The Bone is nice but this thrashy songs are done better by Slayer and/or Anthrax nowadays.

Maybe I'm just not that into Metallica anymore?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 21, 2016, 02:52:49 AM
So far this album is okay as workout music.
That's it to be honest.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on November 21, 2016, 03:31:05 AM
*pic*
Suddenly the cover makes more sense. :lol
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.
Agreed. I feel like this would be a fairly solid album if you dropped Confusion, Hardwired, Am I Savage? and Atlas, Rise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 21, 2016, 03:37:11 AM
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 03:58:35 AM
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.

The album blew me away. Much better than Death Magnetic for me.

By Miles.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 21, 2016, 04:14:29 AM
After 2 listens to the new album I'm just relistening to DM, as I haven't listened to it in full for years. I actually like DM and have no problem with it. It's far from my favourite album of theirs but I enjoy certain songs quite a bit.

I resigned to the fact years ago that my new favourite albums nowadays are almost always likely to come from new bands I've gotten into fairly recently. When I find a new band that I like their sound will be fresh to my ears. The biggest thing is that I have no expectations as to what they should or shouldn't sound like. It's always nice when my classic favourite bands release a genuinely brilliant album but I know that happens very rarely for me now. I'm fine with that.

I'm happy that this new album will bring me some joy and I'll enjoy spinning it every now and then. I don't expect anything more out of a Metallica album anymore so I'm not disappointed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 21, 2016, 04:28:38 AM
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.

Yeah, this essentially. I consider myself a disillusioned Metallica fan, not caring for most anything after Load, but I happen to really dig this new album. A mix of personal tastes and also luck I guess, it could have been as well the other way around.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 21, 2016, 05:38:49 AM
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.

I think it's normal that you start thinking about why something is liked by many that you don't like and then you make speculations. They could be right or wrong but in the end they are just speculations and should be treated as such.

And also this can go both ways, how often is the one that doesn't like some music accused of having not understood the artist, the concept, has no taste, no soul no whatever ... That one simply doesnt like it is not always easily accepted.

I really see no problem, as long as the discussion remains respectful.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 21, 2016, 06:23:02 AM
And also this can go both ways, how often is the one that doesn't like some music accused of having not understood the artist, the concept, has no taste, no soul no whatever ... That one simply doesnt like it is not always easily accepted.
Indeed, and I am equally critical of that. :P

Quote
I really see no problem, as long as the discussion remains respectful.
It's civilised, certainly, but it depends what you mean by respectful. I personally always find it a little insulting when people equate their own tastes to objective quality and then try and discredit in some way the opinions of others.

EDIT: Obviously I'm not suggesting people shouldn't discuss reasons for liking/disliking something - quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 21, 2016, 07:43:03 AM
I'm definitely liking this new album more than DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on November 21, 2016, 08:03:00 AM
Got a good 3-4 listens in and it's a grown a bit but disk 2 is really not that good outside of Confusion and Spit out the Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 21, 2016, 08:07:57 AM
Got a good 3-4 listens in and it's a grown a bit but disk 2 is really not that good outside of Confusion and Spit out the Bone.

Initially, I agreed, but Am I Savage and Here Comes Revenge have really grown on me. I still think the first disc is better, but the second disc so far has been more of a grower.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
I'd take Here Comes Revenge and Am I Savage & Murder One over Unforgiven III any day.


Plus as others have pointed out - imagine All Nightmare Long with the production of Dream No More...

I imagine that when they play Dream No More live - it'll be in Db standard :omg:

Thingy sounded BRUTAL when they played it in Db
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 21, 2016, 08:58:16 AM
I'd take Here Comes Revenge and Am I Savage & Murder One over Unforgiven III any day.


Plus as others have pointed out - imagine All Nightmare Long with the production of Dream No More...

I imagine that when they play Dream No More live - it'll be in Db standard :omg:

Thingy sounded BRUTAL when they played it in Db

Yeah the difference in production values really helps this album, IMO, when making a direct comparison to DM. There are a lot of mid-tempo, groovy tunes on this album (by Metallica standards) those kinda lend themselves to a more Load-style production where the guitars are a little fuller, and the drums and the bass are richer and boomy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Metallica said on their homepage that " Hardwired...To Self Destruct " got to #1 in 57 countries and top 5 in a further 105 countries !!

That is amazing for a band this far into their career and I'd imagine those 13 music videos are well and truly paid for :biggrin:

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 21, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
I should take the time to watch them all in a row all at once. Listening and "seeing" the album in the proper order. I haven't even watched them all yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 09:04:20 AM
I should take the time to watch them all in a row all at once. Listening and "seeing" the album in the proper order. I haven't even watched them all yet.

I like the videos for Moth, Hardwired ( simple but effective ), Dream No More, Now That We're Dead ( see Hardwired ), Here Comes Revenge, Spit Out The Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Nofire on November 21, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
I've been a Metallica fan since the age of 5 when my older cousin played me TBA when it came out and some KEA and RTL songs. The connection I have with them is so deep that harshly criticizing them would feel like doing it to a family member, but my most objective view of them is this:

Throughout their career, they have always followed their artistic vision, regardless of what the views of fans or the general public might have been. TBA, the Loads, S&M and StA/SKOM were all quite big departures from their previous releases. Lulu and Through the never were also projects that I didn't necessarily enjoy, but I'm glad that they had the balls to do them. If no one ever left their comfort zone, how would we ever then discover new tastes?

I also don't really get why they are always compared to the Cliff-era. Reproducing his influence on the music is just impossible. They are also not Maiden, who have found a formula that worked for them (C-D-Em gallop anyone?) and stuck to it as their safety blanket. Don't get me wrong, I love Maiden almost as much as Metallica and DT, but they have never surprised me with their music.

Lars and Kirk get a lot of crap for being un-tight and sloppy live, but has this not always been the case? It can't come as a surprise that Kirk does his pentatonic licks and that Lars had trouble of keeping up with his parts live. Granted, I never saw them live in their heyday, so those who did are welcome to elaborate, but I'm not seeing a huge difference except for some releases that have been touched up in post-production.

As for this new album, I think it sounds great. The mid-tempo songs will probably sound killer live, and even though most of the guitar solos are meh, there are some really good moments in there. Kirk's entry to the NTWD solo for example. Simple but heavy as shit with the riff in the background. I'll have to listen through it more to give a more detailed opinion, but this feels like an album I will like better and better with time.

Sorry for the somewhat disjointed post, but typing on a cell phone is not optimal for longer essays :-)

This was well worth 8 years of waiting for me.
 

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
:tup !



- - - - - -

In the new Lords Of Summer - when James sings " Pushing, pushing! Horsemen Ride ! " I always think it'd be funny if the next line was : " Lords of summer Have Arrived ! "

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2016, 02:54:23 PM
Speaking of Lords of Summer, the new version is a big improvement over the demo/live version. Nice changes in the vocals and drums.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
Speaking of Lords of Summer, the new version is a big improvement over the demo/live version. Nice changes in the vocals and drums.

Yes it's shorter and the main riff has had a slight upgrade. I don't think the demo version had that palm mute - into pull off "tail" that the new version has.

Also the lyrics are slightly better and I LOVE the way James goes up an octave on the final " Let Your Fires BURN ! "

Chills. Much better. It's good enough where I'm glad it's on the deluxe edition so i can sequence it with the rest in a playlist.

But it's not quite as good as the other 12 so it doesn't bring the album proper down.

----

It doesn't matter so much these days with iPhones and playlists but back when the CD was what you got... I didn't like bonus tracks on the same disc as the proper album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
I see St. Anger as the band remembering how to be a functioning band again and almost making a debut album with their new mindset and appreciation.

Death Magnetic is like them trying to make a classic Metallica album

Whilst

Hardwired...To Self Destruct is them just making a great Metallica album with no agenda except great songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 21, 2016, 04:12:28 PM
I see St. Anger as the band remembering how to be a functioning band again and almost making a debut album with their new mindset and appreciation.

Death Magnetic is like them trying to make a classic Metallica album

Whilst

Hardwired...To Self Destruct is them just making a great Metallica album with no agenda except great songs.

Hell yeah, cheers to that!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 21, 2016, 05:02:53 PM
:lol  love seeing foreign people on "other" forums who worship metallica.

They say things like " Metallica : best band in the world and history !! "

and To *PROVE* it - they post a picture of the band :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2016, 07:34:35 PM

Hardwired...To Self Destruct is them just making a great Metallica album with no agenda except great songs.

Maybe I'm just too old, but I cannot get on board with Hardwired being a great Metallica album with great songs. I just can't.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Throughout their career, they have always followed their artistic vision, regardless of what the views of fans or the general public might have been. TBA, the Loads, S&M and StA/SKOM were all quite big departures from their previous releases. Lulu and Through the never were also projects that I didn't necessarily enjoy, but I'm glad that they had the balls to do them. If no one ever left their comfort zone, how would we ever then discover new tastes?

Totally respect that. Don't have to like it, but I totally respect it.

I also don't really get why they are always compared to the Cliff-era. Reproducing his influence on the music is just impossible. They are also not Maiden, who have found a formula that worked for them (C-D-Em gallop anyone?) and stuck to it as their safety blanket. Don't get me wrong, I love Maiden almost as much as Metallica and DT, but they have never surprised me with their music.

The thing is, within their style, Iron Maiden, in the Reunion Era have improved both their writing ang playing skills. The Reunion era is easily on par with their Classic Era. Easily.

As I said in the previous post, but maybe it's because I am old and got turned on to Metallica with Kill 'Em All. They played some of the most interesting metal in the 80's. It was thought provoking, and progressive, though not in a conventional sense. Just in a sense that no other band in the 80's "progressed" metal more than Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
Okay, so I think I've listened to the new album to at least say which songs I like and which ones I don't. Not in order though, since I've never been good at that.

Like:
Hardwired (even if the lyrics to the chorus are truly terrible, the song has a really fun authentic energy to it)
Atlas Rise!
Moth Into Flame
Here Comes Revenge
Now That We're Dead
Am I Savage?
Halo on Fire
Dream No More
Spit Out the Bone
Lords of Summer

Don't care for, but are...okay I guess:
Confusion
ManUNkind
Murder One

That's a pretty damn good ratio if you ask me.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2016, 01:24:24 AM
Yeah, I basically agree with you, since I don't always have the time to listen to such a long album in full, like I've done so far, I was planning on listening to a slightly abridged version and skipping Confusion and ManUnkind, and leaving the rest. It makes for almost exactly 1 hour of music.

Also, with such a good production and Metallica being in a state of grace, I miss a ballad on this album. Even The Day that Never Comes, if it was never on Death Magnetic, would have sounded great on this one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Polarbear on November 22, 2016, 01:36:19 AM
While i do like this new Metallica album quite a bit, i think it falls into the same trap as The Book of Souls by Iron Maiden.

They are both overly long albums, that have some great material in them, but at the same time some songs feel half baked.

They both really suffer on the second disc. However Metallica manages to close the album with a bang, with Spit Out The Bone. The Book of Souls disc 2 grinds into a halt with The Empire of the Clouds, a song that's almost 10 minutes too long!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 03:24:31 AM
The verse riff on Confusion is one of the best on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 22, 2016, 04:05:52 AM
Also, with such a good production and Metallica being in a state of grace, I miss a ballad on this album.

Halo On Fire?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 22, 2016, 05:09:42 AM
Halo On Fire has really grown on me, I love the calm verses. The chorus is great too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on November 22, 2016, 05:29:09 AM
I'll finally have some time to kill so I'll check out this album today.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on November 22, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before!  Those are the only ones I skip.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 07:24:52 AM
Okay, so I think I've listened to the new album to at least say which songs I like and which ones I don't. Not in order though, since I've never been good at that.

Like:
Hardwired (even if the lyrics to the chorus are truly terrible, the song has a really fun authentic energy to it)
Atlas Rise!
Moth Into Flame
Here Comes Revenge
Now That We're Dead
Am I Savage?
Halo on Fire
Dream No More
Spit Out the Bone
Lords of Summer

Don't care for, but are...okay I guess:
Confusion
ManUNkind
Murder One

That's a pretty damn good ratio if you ask me.

Those three are the songs I'm struggling to get into as well. Confusion has some great riffs but doesn't come together for me. ManUNkind and Murder One have cool parts too, just kinda forgettable. Overall though, I'm really liking everything else on this record.

I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before!  Those are the only ones I skip.  :lol

Really?! I think Moth is probably top 2 or 3 on this record for me. Atlas, Rise! is also really good and Hardwired provides great opening energy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on November 22, 2016, 07:45:56 AM
I really like:

Atlas, Rise!
Moth
Dream No More
Halo On Fire
Now That We´re Dead
Spit out

Cool ones:

Hardwired
Confusion
Manunkind

Kinda meh:

Lords Of Summer
Here Comes Revenge
Murder One

Bad:

Am I Savage


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on November 22, 2016, 08:24:47 AM
I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before!  Those are the only ones I skip.  :lol

Really?! I think Moth is probably top 2 or 3 on this record for me. Atlas, Rise! is also really good and Hardwired provides great opening energy.

None of them are bad, I'm probably just eager to hear the other stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before!  Those are the only ones I skip.  :lol

Really?! I think Moth is probably top 2 or 3 on this record for me. Atlas, Rise! is also really good and Hardwired provides great opening energy.

None of them are bad, I'm probably just eager to hear the other stuff.

Ah gotcha, I did the same (skipped the previously released songs) the first couple times I listened to the album cause I was eager to hear new stuff. Since then though, I've pretty much been listening to the album in running order.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on November 22, 2016, 09:06:47 AM
I'm only on my third runthrough right now. We'll see.

Dream No More and Halo on Fire are a terrific one-two, IMO. I think Kirk's solo at about the 5:10 mark is pretty inventive for him...and fits! Whodathunk?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 09:24:03 AM
Dream No More might actually be my favorite track on this album. I've seen a lot of praise online for Halo on Fire, Spit Out the Bone, and Moth Into Flame, and those are all really, really strong tracks but for some reason I LOVE Dream No More.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on November 22, 2016, 09:28:10 AM
Agreed!  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 09:39:12 AM
Dream No More might actually be my favorite track on this album. I've seen a lot of praise online for Halo on Fire, Spit Out the Bone, and Moth Into Flame, and those are all really, really strong tracks but for some reason I LOVE Dream No More.

It might be just because it's in D standard but i'm sure the guitar tone is identical to the tone on The Thing That Should Not Be.

Obviously the production on the new album is different but that huge chug on " You Turn ! To Stone ! " sounds VERY Thing That Should Not Be.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 09:40:43 AM
It might be just because it's in D standard but i'm sure the guitar tone is identical to the tone on The Thing That Should Not Be.

Obviously the production on the new album is different but that huge chug on " You Turn ! To Stone ! " sounds VERY Thing That Should Not Be.

Oh yea, total Thingy vibe on that one. Probably part of the reason I like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 09:49:29 AM
Not to mention that "MAD-NESS" is the same in both songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 22, 2016, 10:39:49 AM
It might be just because it's in D standard but i'm sure the guitar tone is identical to the tone on The Thing That Should Not Be.

Obviously the production on the new album is different but that huge chug on " You Turn ! To Stone ! " sounds VERY Thing That Should Not Be.

Oh yea, total Thingy vibe on that one. Probably part of the reason I like it.

Some songs are definitely more obviously taking the MOP methodology they talked about doing. The most obvious is probably "Moth Into Flame," but the Thingy vibe you guys talk about is another, and a third is the intro of "Here Comes Revenge" totally ripping the riffs in "Leper Messiah."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 10:48:30 AM
Some songs are definitely more obviously taking the MOP methodology they talked about doing. The most obvious is probably "Moth Into Flame," but the Thingy vibe you guys talk about is another, and a third is the intro of "Here Comes Revenge" totally ripping the riffs in "Leper Messiah."

Yeah, overall there is a MOP influence, but I'd argue I can hear bits and pieces of influence from throughout their entire catalog. It has elements from the 80s albums, TBA, and the Loads.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 10:50:22 AM
The intro to Atlas Rise is totally Thru The Never.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 22, 2016, 11:05:46 AM
Yea, it seems the influences they took were mostly about vibe and feeling, as opposed to DM or St. Anger, where the influence translated more into "FASTER AND MORE YELLING"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 11:17:08 AM
What would we have done in 1986 ?

Play Great ? Get Drunk ?

Oh shit...Um....Rick ?

" Eh just play faster and turn it up more "

K boss.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on November 22, 2016, 11:18:54 AM
Spit Out the Bone is the best Metallica song since the ...And Justice for All record, in my opinion. I also dig Atlas Rise quite a bit. Love the Maiden-ish guitar in it. Moth to Flame is good too. After that...a lot of it just sorta bunches together.

admittedly, I haven't really liked Metallica since the Black album. I liked a few songs off the Loads, but that's about it. Even the Black album...too polished for a thrash titan to my ears. But I check out every new studio record. Hardwired...to Self Destruct, to me, is probably the most consistent work since Load. And I'd probably put it above Load in terms of my listening preferences of the studio material. Probably along these lines:

...And Justice for All
Master of Puppets
Ride the Lightning
Kill Em All
Black Album
Hardwired...to Self Destruct
Load
Death Magnetic
Reload
St. Anger

What Hardwired...to Self Destruct showed me, is that Metallica is still a metal band, but the guys are really at odds with the type of music they enjoy, as opposed to the music they pioneered. The latter isn't something they want to do all the time (like Spit Out the Bone), but they are good at it. The former is something they want to write and play more, but aren't as good at it. And so they are still trying to find a balance. Hardwired (the record) has succeeded in achieving that balance to a degree, but is still skewed in the wrong direction (to my ears). They need more thrash. But that may not be where they want to be...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Also they may have gone more mid tempo on this album so it's easier on them live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 11:35:56 AM
What Hardwired...to Self Destruct showed me, is that Metallica is still a metal band, but the guys are really at odds with the type of music they enjoy, as opposed to the music they pioneered. The latter isn't something they want to do all the time (like Spit Out the Bone), but they are good at it. The former is something they want to write and play more, but aren't as good at it. And so they are still trying to find a balance. Hardwired (the record) has succeeded in achieving that balance to a degree, but is still skewed in the wrong direction (to my ears). They need more thrash. But that may not be where they want to be...

Metallica has pretty much always been on record as saying they are more than a thrash band though, even at the beginnings of their careers. Sure, in the 80s, they were more thrash than they have been since then, but they have always been a melting pot of sorts.

Also, a lot of people would disagree that they aren't good at non-thrash... Songs like For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Thing That Should Not Be, Harvester of Sorrow, Sad But True, etc... would like a word with you. I think over the years (and on this new record) they have created incredible, iconic non-thrash songs. That's what made them different, they have never just been thrash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on November 22, 2016, 11:40:27 AM

Metallica has pretty much always been on record as saying they are more than a thrash band though, even at the beginnings of their careers. Sure, in the 80s, they were more thrash than they have been since then, but they have always been a melting pot of sorts.

Also, a lot of people would disagree that they aren't good at non-thrash... Songs like For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Thing That Should Not Be, Harvester of Sorrow, Sad But True, etc... would like a word with you. I think over the years (and on this new record) they have created incredible, iconic non-thrash songs. That's what made them different, they have never just been thrash.

All that's true. I mean, I love "Bleeding Me," and think it is an incredible tune. So I'm not saying that they can't write iconic non-thrash tunes. But all the way through Justice, four albums worth of material, they were a thrash, even progressive thrash metal band. The way they deviated in the 1990s (I mean, everyone did a record like the Black album, so I don't hold that against them) was just a complete 180 degree turn from what they put themselves out there to be.

I wouldn't argue with anyone who says (including the band themselves) that they are more than just a thrash band -- clearly, they are. But I don't agree that they are better at writing non-thrash songs as they are thrash songs. Spit Out the Bone destroys anything else on the new record. That's a shining example.

I'm glad people are diggin' the new record though. It is better than I thought it would be for sure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 11:43:21 AM
Death Magnetic is clearly better than St. Anger.

Sonically at least - Hardwired...TSD is a huge step up from Death Magnetic. I also prefer it musically.

I wonder what they will do next time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on November 22, 2016, 11:45:29 AM
I'm really liking this album! James voice sounds great along with the harmonies throughout. The songs are all strong IMHO and the album has a great balance of tempo change. Very melodic yet driven and heavy. The rhythm guitars are complex and unpredictable in the heavier songs, which I love! Kirks solos are very tastefully done, he's back in good form. I can see my favorite tracks will change around as I get to know this album better.  I'm very impressed with this release, my favorite since And Justice!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
All that's true. I mean, I love "Bleeding Me," and think it is an incredible tune. So I'm not saying that they can't write iconic non-thrash tunes. But all the way through Justice, four albums worth of material, they were a thrash, even progressive thrash metal band. The way they deviated in the 1990s (I mean, everyone did a record like the Black album, so I don't hold that against them) was just a complete 180 degree turn from what they put themselves out there to be.

Yeah, Bleeding Me is incredible, I purposely left out songs from the Loads when making the point about their non-thrash stuff, because pretty much every song from the Loads is non-thrash. Don't get me wrong, I agree they changed it up with TBA (my favorite Met. album BTW) I think that shift has been well documented and discussed in music history. I guess my argument is that they have always been more than just a thrash band, they just relied on it more for their first 4 albums.

I wouldn't argue with anyone who says (including the band themselves) that they are more than just a thrash band -- clearly, they are. But I don't agree that they are better at writing non-thrash songs as they are thrash songs. Spit Out the Bone destroys anything else on the new record. That's a shining example.

I'm glad people are diggin' the new record though. It is better than I thought it would be for sure.

I feel you, like I said before, I think the fact that they have written both thrash and non-thrash iconic-level songs is what separates them from the rest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on November 22, 2016, 11:58:00 AM
Not to mention the mixing and production is exceptional on this album. It's very hard to mix a heavy metal album that has so much going on, alot of patience and good ears went into this. Also, the performance of the band is top notch. Metallica is back with a vengeance! I haven't been into them in a long time, this album has rekindled my interest!  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 22, 2016, 12:20:02 PM
I remember when just the three "singles" were released and I feared that James' vocals would be the weak point on the album, but man was I wrong. His vocals are really incredible on this, which I can't say since Load/Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Yes on St. Anger he was weak. No power and cracking all over.

Death Magnetic was so dry and bare. No harmonies. Het was good if you listen to vocal stems but the horrible production was so sterile and thin.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
Yup, easily Het's best vocal performance on an original studio album (cause you know, Garage Inc.) since ReLoad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 01:21:59 PM
A poster on the Metallica forum thinks Reload sounds worse than Saint Anger production wise.

Mainly because he thinks Reload has too many overdubs and James sounds like he's smiling the entire time he's singing .

*shrug* I'll take that over drum mics set up in 5 mins - snare disengaged, weak out of tune vocals and a demo sounding album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 22, 2016, 01:31:22 PM
A poster on the Metallica forum thinks Reload sounds worse than Saint Anger production wise.

Mainly because he thinks Reload has too many overdubs and James sounds like he's smiling the entire time he's singing .

*shrug* I'll take that over drum mics set up in 5 mins - snare disengaged, weak out of tune vocals and a demo sounding album.

Eh, this is where we head into the subjectivity vs objectivity of production argument... Personally, I think ReLoad is miles better in that regard, but it's actually hard to argue, because from what I know, the production choices on St. Anger were entirely deliberate.

They wanted the drums to sound like that, the vocals to sound like that, etc...to capture a certain energy. It's not like after producing TBA, Load, and ReLoad (three of THE best sounding hard rock/metal albums ever) Bob all of a sudden forgot how to make good sounding records. It was all intentional, so was it really bad? To my ears, it's not as pleasing as ReLoad, but that's just me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on November 22, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 02:32:17 PM
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.

That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.

It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.

Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 22, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.

Helps a lot though. You don't djent in E :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 02:40:02 PM
Djent isn't heavy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 22, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.

That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.

It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.

Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.

That is one stupidly heavy riff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2016, 02:59:15 PM
I wonder what they will do next time.

I'm sure you will have plenty of time to wonder that.

Really dig the new album, wayyyy better than I expected and it's a good mix of thrash and hard rock.  I need more listens before saying more than that. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on November 22, 2016, 03:00:57 PM
*Love* that Am I Savage riff, makes me want to pick up a guitar again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
*Love* that Am I Savage riff, makes me want to pick up a guitar again.

Yeah and it's really easy which makes it swing. Really complicated riffs have no swagger I find.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 22, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
I'm loving Halo On Fire.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2016, 03:48:18 PM
I'm loving Halo On Fire.

That Outro is amazing. Drenched in melody.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 22, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.

That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.

It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.

Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.

I LOVE that riff! I think Am I Savage? is underrated overall.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 22, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
I'm loving Halo On Fire.
So far it's my favorite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2016, 05:12:35 PM
I had a brief listen to a couple of tracks but haven't had the time to sit down and listen to the full album.  What I've heard sounds alright, might pick it up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 22, 2016, 05:15:45 PM
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.

That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.

It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.

Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.

I LOVE that riff! I think Am I Savage? is underrated overall.

The album's been out for like 4 days, none of the songs can be overrated or underrated yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 22, 2016, 05:40:30 PM
Thanks for the info bro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 22, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
Thanks for the info bro.

No............I'm your father.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 22, 2016, 05:48:23 PM
Djent isn't heavy.

 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on November 22, 2016, 05:55:11 PM
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.

That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.

It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.

Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.

That is one stupidly heavy riff.

That is exactly why I love that song. I'm not familiar with all the track names yet because I was driving when I was listening to the album but when I heard that riff I had to grab my phone and find out what song it was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Lepprador on November 23, 2016, 03:48:08 AM
I didn't thought they have an album as strong as Hardwired still left in them.

Are there hundreds of metal drummers being technically more skilled than Lars out there? Does he outgroove them big time, or what ?

The sound/production alone makes this the most enjoyable recording since TBA.

It's starts very good with the title track. I wish there were more songs as short and to the point like Hardwired. Some songs would profit from further trimming.
And it ends spectacular with Spit Out The Bone.
The opener and the closer are the most important songs for a heavy metal album, as they can turn an average album into a classic (Reign In Blood).

Halo On Fire (this is considered a ballad ?) and Atlas,Rise! belong to my early faves, too.

01 RTL
02 MOP
03 TBA
04 AJFA
05 HTSD
06 KEA
07 DM
08 L
09 R
10 SA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2016, 07:27:40 AM
Halo On Fire (this is considered a ballad ?)

I don't, nor I do consider Bleeding Me a ballad which is slower overall than Halo.

While I confirm my total appreciation and  :metal for Spit Out of the Bone, I guess Halo on Fire is actually my favorite track on the album. Fantastic song!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 23, 2016, 07:35:19 AM
Some songs would profit from further trimming.
Yup. When it comes to music, longer is not always better, and there are definitely some opportunities for trimming on this album that would make it an easier, more enjoyable listen. Some of the excessive intros/outros, for instance, where they have a tendency to repeat too many times without really adding anything to the song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 23, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Halo On Fire (this is considered a ballad ?)

I don't, nor I do consider Bleeding Me a ballad which is slower overall than Halo.

While I confirm my total appreciation and  :metal for Spit Out of the Bone, I guess Halo on Fire is actually my favorite track on the album. Fantastic song!
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on November 23, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
Some songs would profit from further trimming.
Yup. When it comes to music, longer is not always better, and there are definitely some opportunities for trimming on this album that would make it an easier, more enjoyable listen. Some of the excessive intros/outros, for instance, where they have a tendency to repeat too many times without really adding anything to the song.
Funny reading this coming from a DT fan!  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
I agree that long Metallica songs these days aren't always their best ...

But I think after such a long wait - an 8 track 50 minute album would have felt like short changing the fans IMO...



Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on November 23, 2016, 09:57:57 AM
Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?
They could've made an EP out of the leftover tracks á la Beyond Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Elite on November 23, 2016, 10:05:54 AM
Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?

Wouldn't that be their own fault though? Nobody told them they HAD to wait 8 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 23, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Some songs would profit from further trimming.
Yup. When it comes to music, longer is not always better, and there are definitely some opportunities for trimming on this album that would make it an easier, more enjoyable listen. Some of the excessive intros/outros, for instance, where they have a tendency to repeat too many times without really adding anything to the song.
Funny reading this coming from a DT fan!  :lol
One of the reasons DT doesn't do much for me anymore, aside from what I consider their classic material!

Speaking of intros, though, the quiet intro to ManUNkind is really cool, but then they didn't go anywhere with it. I kind of wish they had developed that idea more, rather the the rest of the song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2016, 10:11:31 AM
Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?

Wouldn't that be their own fault though? Nobody told them they HAD to wait 8 years.

Also nobody told them they HAD to make a new album at all...

I'm just saying that whatever they did - people would say they shoulda done the opposite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 23, 2016, 11:49:38 AM
I guess Halo on Fire is actually my favorite track on the album. Fantastic song!
Right there with you.  The first time I listened to the song and heard James scream "FAST, is desire", I was like "Hell, yeah!"  I really dig "Here Comes Revenge", too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
I don't dislike any of the songs but If I had to rank them all - Murder One would be last.

I just like all the other songs more...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 23, 2016, 12:00:30 PM
"Murder One" and "Am I Savage?" are the only two I skip.  They don't do a thing for me.  To me, everything else is at least "pretty good". 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2016, 12:42:46 PM
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.

I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.

Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 23, 2016, 01:49:49 PM
Loving this album. Disc 1 is KILLER, and has probably all 6 of the top 6 songs of the album. Still getting into Disc 2.

I love that some of the songs remind me of other albums, whether it's Load, TBA, Death Magnetic, Justice, etc.... Am I Savage reminds me of Loverman from Garage, Inc. (but good).

Also loving Lords of Summer and Spit Out the Bone. So excited about Metallica right now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 23, 2016, 03:32:54 PM
I like disc 1 more than disc 2, but regardless, its a really decent album over all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 24, 2016, 12:30:32 AM
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.

I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.

Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.

Until it Sleeps (track 4 on Load) is considered a ballad while Kill 'Em All doesn't have one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2016, 01:41:11 AM
Yeah, forgot to mention the debut album and I was unsure about Until it Sleeps. I've always considered it a ballad by default being track 4  ;D but it's difficult to categorize.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 24, 2016, 01:48:35 AM
Oh Xenu, not the ballad discussion again.

So I'm pretty sure that I like Hardwired more than ReLoad (and I'm a fan of ReLoad). Even though Fixxxer and Where the Wild Things Are are better than most of the Hardwired songs, the rest of the ReLoad songs aren't.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on November 24, 2016, 03:59:37 AM
I've been listening a lot to this album this week, and overall I'm really digging it.

Songs I love:
Halo on Fire
Spit out the Bone

Songs I like:
Am I Savage?
Now That We're Dead
Dream No More
Hardwired

Songs that are OK:
Atlas, Rise!
Moth Into Flame
Here Comes Revenge
Confusion

Songs i can't get into:
ManUNkind
Murder One


The problem with a lot of the songs is the arrangements. It's like they didn't know where to stop when they put ideas into songs. Every song has something great in them, but some songs just collapses because they have a intro, midsection or chorus that doesn't work.
Confusion is a song I really like overall, but I can't get into the chorus.

However, Halo on Fire and Spit out the Bone blows my mind.. I really didn't think they had it in them to create something so good!

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2016, 04:12:41 AM
I basically agree with you, especially on the standout tracks. I just like more all your OK songs save Confusion, which I'd swap for Murder One in your list. But more or less I'm there as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 24, 2016, 04:32:46 AM
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.

I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.

Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.

Until it Sleeps (track 4 on Load) is considered a ballad while Kill 'Em All doesn't have one.
One is a ballad?

:umno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2016, 04:35:45 AM
It appears that the definition of ballad to Metallica fans is "has some clean guitar in it". :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2016, 05:04:13 AM
Halo On Fire clearly isn't a ballad.

Mama Said probably is.

Dream No More, Halo On Fire, Moth Into Flame, Atlas Rise, Confusion, Spit Out The Bone are amongst my favourites.

If I had to choose one to bin - it would be Murder One simply because it's not as good as the rest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 24, 2016, 06:01:15 AM
I liked the vicious riffs of DM a lot, but based on production alone HWTSD beats it I think.

Justice/Master (to close to call)
Ride
Kill
HW
DM
Black
Reload
Load
SA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on November 24, 2016, 06:24:14 AM
So I know I'm going to sound stupid but I've been so out of the loop with Metallica that while listening to the new album I didn't realize it was a double album until I got home and looked at the spotify song list.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2016, 06:31:38 AM
So I know I'm going to sound stupid but I've been so out of the loop with Metallica that while listening to the new album I didn't realize it was a double album until I got home and looked at the spotify song list.

To be fair, it's only actually one CD worth of music, split across two discs for no good reason, so when listening to it digitally there's nothing to indicate it would be a double album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2016, 07:06:31 AM
Also the bonus disc is actually longer than the album, and yet it fits on one disc  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2016, 07:40:51 AM
So I know I'm going to sound stupid but I've been so out of the loop with Metallica that while listening to the new album I didn't realize it was a double album until I got home and looked at the spotify song list.

To be fair, it's only actually one CD worth of music, split across two discs for no good reason, so when listening to it digitally there's nothing to indicate it would be a double album.


It's to deliberately annoy people online who complain about it for no good reason.

Or it's because they wanted it on 2 discs - so it is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on November 24, 2016, 07:43:51 AM
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2016, 08:13:36 AM
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)

I'm sure they knew...

Hetfield said that the vinyl would sound better if it was two discs - so they made the CD two discs as well.

It's just a nice package having a 3CD album . You can make it one album on your playlists anyway so i'm not really sure what the problem is except to nitpick.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2016, 08:44:27 AM
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)

I'm sure they knew...

Hetfield said that the vinyl would sound better if it was two discs - so they made the CD two discs as well.

It's just a nice package having a 3CD album . You can make it one album on your playlists anyway so i'm not really sure what the problem is except to nitpick.

But if you get the physical album, you now have the unnecessary pain of swapping discs after less than 40 minutes just to listen to an album that could easily have fit on a single disc. A lot of albums require double vinyl, because it's an ancient format that doesn't fit much, but I've never seen other bands stick those on two CDs (I'm not including old albums that were released in the vinyl era first), because they're different formats that are unrelated. The band hasn't given a single legitimate reason from what I've read in this thread. I think from the start they just poorly planned it out and expected they were going to have more than 80 minutes of material, then were just committed to the production having two discs and had to give some lame excuse.
Pointing out that something is unnecessary, pointless, and actually a hindrance is not nitpicking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 24, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)
I genuinely think this is probable. :lol Simply because there is no logical reason whatsoever why they would take this approach otherwise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2016, 09:20:52 AM
It's only a hinderance if you listen to the entire album each time you put it on.

Lots of people bought the vinyl edition from what I read - and there it HAS to be on two discs...

Did you buy or are you planning on buying the physical CDs of this album ?

If not then i still don't know what the problem is... :lol

It would be like me complaining that the new Slayer album is 2 discs when i have no intention of buying it anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2016, 09:23:58 AM
What? I've seen you complain about a ton of stuff you have no intention of buying/watching/hearing! :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2016, 09:25:07 AM
:angry: I AM A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE

At least they didn't put each of the 12 songs on it's own CD like the band Spiritualised did for " Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space " :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on November 24, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.

I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.

Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.

Until it Sleeps (track 4 on Load) is considered a ballad while Kill 'Em All doesn't have one.
One is a ballad?

:umno:

"Heh...this part of the song sucks, but it gets cool later.  Heh eh heh" - Beavis

UIS is considered a ballad?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 24, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
Really loving 'Dream No More'. It's a combination between the best of Load and the best of the Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 24, 2016, 07:20:08 PM
Really loving 'Dream No More'. It's a combination between the best of Load and the best of the Black Album.

Yea, really great song.

Listening to Spit Out the Bone (still hate the title), I think this is the most commanding that James has sounded in a long time. His vocals make me want to say "YES SIR!"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 25, 2016, 12:48:21 AM
It has that infectious groove (that makes my body move) and makes me want to saddle up an ride towards the sunset yealling 'Chaaarrge!' at the top of my lungs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on November 25, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
From what I've heard so far this a pretty strong album. It's got a bit of the generic Metallica stuff we're used to, but also some pretty good atypical stuff. It honestly sounds like more of a continuation of the Load albums than of DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2016, 05:18:30 PM
From what I've heard so far this a pretty strong album. It's got a bit of the generic Metallica stuff we're used to, but also some pretty good atypical stuff. It honestly sounds like more of a continuation of the Load albums than of DM.

Much heavier than the Load albums though. I definitely get the Load influence, but it's closer to TBA to me. And I agree about it's differences with DM. The only DM track I could see on this is Cyanide.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on November 25, 2016, 05:21:50 PM
From what I have heard, I don't see the Black Album comparison.  TBA had hooks galore, musically and vocally, in every song; I haven't heard a single vocal hook in the handful of songs I've heard from the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2016, 05:48:48 PM
From what I have heard, I don't see the Black Album comparison.  TBA had hooks galore, musically and vocally, in every song; I haven't heard a single vocal hook in the handful of songs I've heard from the new album.

Well, it seems to have tremendous sound, so it feels production wise, of the TBA/Load era.
But it's a bit rawer than TBA, and if they came out with this instead of TBA in 1990, it might've been a little easier to digest than TBA. But Of Wolf And Man, Through The Never, both fairly in the vain of what's happening here.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 25, 2016, 07:03:24 PM
From what I've heard so far this a pretty strong album. It's got a bit of the generic Metallica stuff we're used to, but also some pretty good atypical stuff. It honestly sounds like more of a continuation of the Load albums than of DM.

I jut listened to the first disk through, and I came here to essentially write exactly what el Barto wrote.   I agree with that completely. 

And to give my obligatory "James Hetfield is just as cool as f***."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 25, 2016, 09:48:36 PM
From what I have heard, I don't see the Black Album comparison.  TBA had hooks galore, musically and vocally, in every song; I haven't heard a single vocal hook in the handful of songs I've heard from the new album.

It's definitely no comparison on that level, the only real similarity is that it's slower tempo, and less of the thrashy sound of the first 4 albums. Dream No More has a bit of a Sad But True thing going on, but that's about the only part where I felt a similarity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2016, 06:01:52 AM
Sonically it's closest to The Black Album or Garage Inc Disc 1.

or Load with sharper guitars and tighter rhythm playing. Mainly because Kirk did all one side on Load, Reload and James did all rhythms on the new album.

I've seen people on the Metallica forum say they've not got their orders from the Met Store yet.

Glad I ordered from Amazon. I got it on the morning of the release day !

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 26, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGoZ_pQY-14

Making of Here Comes Revenge.

Pretty cool. It's interesting that Kirk is barely in it and only shows up to be told what to do.

Edit: Looks like they're putting up all (or most) of the making of's now. Doing Moth Into Flame right now, and again no Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 26, 2016, 05:28:07 PM
How James sings the verse in the last part of the video.. they definitely changed it up for something better in the end.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on November 26, 2016, 07:27:23 PM
I'm going to have to check out that video later. I love the making of videos so far.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on November 27, 2016, 06:36:26 AM
After more listens, my only gripe is that too often the riffs go into those Loadish candy-ass bluesy notes instead of sticking to tritone power chords. Still a very very solid album. Can definitely hear the snare.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 27, 2016, 06:51:34 AM
Yeah all the instruments sound great. Heard too many metal albums where the guitars are over saturated and the bass is non existent and the snare is a tippy tappy click and the cymbals

are non existent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 28, 2016, 07:15:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGoZ_pQY-14

Making of Here Comes Revenge.

Pretty cool. It's interesting that Kirk is barely in it and only shows up to be told what to do.

Edit: Looks like they're putting up all (or most) of the making of's now. Doing Moth Into Flame right now, and again no Kirk.

Yup, first off, I love these videos, really interesting to watch. Second, I think the trend of no Kirk (except to lay down a solo) will continue for pretty much all these tunes.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 28, 2016, 07:42:00 AM
New album is great. If excluding Rob & Kirk gets these results again i'm all for it.


And Greg Fidelman is their new in-house producer it seems.

He engineered Death Magnetic and co-produced Lulu and produced the audio for Through The Never.

He produced their Rainbow medley.

He's their new Bob Rock.

INB4 Rob quits and Greg plays bass on their next album :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 28, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
I was slightly disappointed when I heard that Fidelman was the producer, since he engineered Death Magnetic which sounded awful. He definitely stepped up his game this time I have to say.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 28, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
I wish that Death Magnetic had the production of Hardwired... But the iTunes remaster is probably the closest we'll get.

Unless they do a total remix for the DM Deluxe Boxset.


Plus it's more to do with Rick Ruin. His records are notoriously shoddy and Greg did much better work without him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 28, 2016, 09:50:02 AM
Unless they do a total remix for the DM Deluxe Boxset.

Eh, I wish, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 28, 2016, 09:55:46 AM
Unless they do a total remix for the DM Deluxe Boxset.

Eh, I wish, but I'm not holding my breath.

Nor am i.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 28, 2016, 10:14:01 AM
New album is great. If excluding Rob & Kirk gets these results again i'm all for it.

Rob is there way more than Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 28, 2016, 10:17:05 AM
Yes but he only has one writing credit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 28, 2016, 10:51:46 AM
Yes but he only has one writing credit.

True, but he's pretty present for the writing anyway. His bass is also the most present that bass has been on a Metallica album in possibly forever. The lead bass riff in Spit out the Bone is just orgasmic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 28, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
Yes but he only has one writing credit.

True, but he's pretty present for the writing anyway. His bass is also the most present that bass has been on a Metallica album in possibly forever. The lead bass riff in Spit out the Bone is just orgasmic.

Yup, and it seems, from interviews I have seen, that Rob was definitely a voice in the room helping James and Lars make sense of things at times.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 28, 2016, 11:19:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLPC3t5hWvo

Making of Dream No More.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 28, 2016, 11:30:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLPC3t5hWvo

Making of Dream No More.

Really good song, really good making of video. Like I just said, Rob continues to appear to be a voice in the room during a lot of these jam sessions.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on November 28, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
I still have to give it more listens but right now Dream No More is my favorite. So me'al!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 29, 2016, 08:47:14 AM
Yes but he only has one writing credit.

True, but he's pretty present for the writing anyway. His bass is also the most present that bass has been on a Metallica album in possibly forever. The lead bass riff in Spit out the Bone is just orgasmic.

I noticed that (and in the covers too).  Rob is a big part of the sound of this album, and that's a good thing.    I actually like most of the solos on this record, too, but it's not as pervasive as the bass.    And I'm sorry, but I can't help but just assume that every riff, every lick, every chord is really James.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 29, 2016, 08:57:04 AM
Most of the solos are incredibly nothingy, but I do quite enjoy the one in Spit Out the Bone. It's not exactly amazing, but it at least feels like he actually wrote one rather than just playing whatever, and it's more interesting as a result.

Doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the album though, as almost all the solos are short and not really a key feature.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 29, 2016, 08:58:42 AM
And I'm sorry, but I can't help but just assume that every riff, every lick, every chord is really James.

That's a good assumption. He and Lars have writing credit on every song except for ManUNKind where Rob also has credit. So I think it's safe to say that every riff, lick, and chord in every other song is all James. All from jams or random ideas that he recorded over the last 8 or so years.

On a side note, Am I Savage? has continued to grow on me. It started out as eh, then I really started liking it, now it's one of my, if not my favorite on the album. Incredible song, found I liked it more when hearing James talk about the lyrics on it as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 29, 2016, 09:05:34 AM
Am I Savage has that stupidly heavy middle and outro.

 :metal Also it's Hetfield's favourite part on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 29, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
Am I Savage has that stupidly heavy middle and outro.

 :metal Also it's Hetfield's favourite part on the album.

Oh really? I didn't know that. That riff is fantastic. Classic example of why James Hetfield is soooo good. Simple riff, standard tuning, sounds absolutely massive in context. It's that right hand baby. A hundred other guitar players could play that exact same riff and none of them would make it sound like Het.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on November 29, 2016, 09:24:27 AM
I dig Am I Savage a lot. I love the main bluesy riff, and also really enjoy the way they play around with rhythms and time signatures (maybe just triplets in normal and double time but works to the same effect).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on November 29, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
I might have said this before, but that middle/outro riff is the best riff on the album. By far.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 29, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
I might have said this before, but that middle/outro riff is the best riff on the album. By far.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 30, 2016, 08:13:25 AM
Most of the solos are incredibly nothingy, but I do quite enjoy the one in Spit Out the Bone. It's not exactly amazing, but it at least feels like he actually wrote one rather than just playing whatever, and it's more interesting as a result.

Doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the album though, as almost all the solos are short and not really a key feature.

The good thing is, though, is that James/Lars must have laid down the fucking law, because even though they're short, they're real solos, not that noise-wankery that guys like Tom Morello seem to have made a career out of peddling, and that Kirk seems to show some affinity for.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 08:24:45 AM
Tom Morello :tdwn


Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on November 30, 2016, 08:27:34 AM
"Guys like Morello" seemingly implies that he is part of a big horde of uninspiring guitarists when it comes to soloing but maybe thats just my interpretation.

Whether you like it or not, at least he did something no one had done before. And i know that that alone doesn't justify anything, but saying they're 'not real solos' is just plain incorrect.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
Tom Morello :tdwn


Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.

Was never a fan until I saw Prophets of Rage over the summer, and even though he uses the whammy pedal a crazy amount, he was absurdly mesmerizing to watch play and really was able to do things I have not seen before.  Totally changed my opinion on him.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 30, 2016, 08:35:44 AM
Tom Morello :tdwn

Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.

That sweet little solo in Audioslave's Like A Stone is more memorable than anything Kirk has ever put out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on November 30, 2016, 08:52:15 AM
"Guys like Morello" seemingly implies that he is part of a big horde of uninspiring guitarists when it comes to soloing but maybe thats just my interpretation.

Whether you like it or not, at least he did something no one had done before. And i know that that alone doesn't justify anything, but saying they're 'not real solos' is just plain incorrect.

I never said they weren't "solos".   I just know that I recently picked up "Revelations", and the songs were largely verse, chorus, fluttery butterfly sound, extended wah sound, moderately fast scalar run, bridge, verse, chorus.   Very samey to me.   

I'm not at all saying Morello "sucks" or he's "bad", but I do think there is a real difference in terms of "making sounds" and piecing together melodic tuneful, TONEFUL, solos that bring the song to another level - think Schenker, Blackmore, Murray, Rhoads...   I know Kirk can do it, I've heard it.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 30, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
I came here to comment on Hammett's soloing on this album and you guys are talking about it!
I have not been known to bash Kirk, I think I never complained about him and I find people who do as funny as the people who complain about Lars, cause to me Metallica is not about musicianship, it's about a vibe. That's why I still prefer Newsted to Trujillo, "but Trujillo is a better bass player", doesn't mean shit to me, this isn't Dream Theater.
HOWEVER, Hammett really blew it this time, he put minimal thought and effort into his solos on this album IMO, seems like he couldn't spare any fucks here. I'm calling the solos on this album "portable", these solos can practically be moved and exchanged between all the songs on this album and it won't matter, they all sound the same, they all go towards the same ups and downs and they all feel so uninspired and forced. Very disappointing on Hetfield and Ulrich as well that they didn't press him into doing better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 30, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
What's with all the Tom Morello bashing? Totally unique and inventive guitar player of you ask me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 30, 2016, 10:09:23 AM
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 30, 2016, 10:10:56 AM
That's a nice under-the-bus throw there :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 10:12:25 AM
What's with all the Tom Morello bashing? Totally unique and inventive guitar player of you ask me.

He has one sound as he sticks to it like glue on every album. Even when RATM became Audioslave i thought " oh great - maybe he'll play differently in this new band "


NOPE.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 10:14:52 AM
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html

That's a bit of a loaded headline. It's merely just lars suggesting solo arrangements. Like Kirk says - Lars isn't a melodic musician so doesn't suggest scales or anything.


Replace Lars with Greg in the article and all of a sudden it's a perfectly acceptable suggestion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 30, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
Tom Morello :tdwn

Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.

That sweet little solo in Audioslave's Like A Stone is more memorable than anything Kirk has ever put out.

Yep. I'll never forget how awful that solo is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on November 30, 2016, 10:17:05 AM
Re Hammett, I think it says everything that Fidelman, in the making of Dream No More video, made a sly quip about keeping Kirk away from the wahwah pedal. As for the solos, almost universally appalling. I'm not really one to bash Metallica. Hell, I even like St Anger. But the solos on this album... as I said somewhere else, they all sound like me in the session mode of Rocksmith. And that's not a good thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2016, 10:18:43 AM
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html

That's a bit of a loaded headline. It's merely just lars suggesting solo arrangements. Like Kirk says - Lars isn't a melodic musician so doesn't suggest scales or anything.


Replace Lars with Greg in the article and all of a sudden it's a perfectly acceptable suggestion.

I can picture Lars now..

" No no no! What the hell are you doing premepting the dominant with a major 7th? Do you listen to Metallica and think words like Ionian? No! You think pentatonic! Now stick to the 12th and 14th frets and shut your pie hole!"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 30, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html

That's a bit of a loaded headline. It's merely just lars suggesting solo arrangements. Like Kirk says - Lars isn't a melodic musician so doesn't suggest scales or anything.


Replace Lars with Greg in the article and all of a sudden it's a perfectly acceptable suggestion.

I can picture Lars now..

" No no no! What the hell are you doing premepting the dominant with a major 7th? Do you listen to Metallica and think words like Ionian? No! You think pentatonic! Now stick to the 12th and 14th frets and shut your pie hole!"

 :lol Right on.

It sounds like Lars did the exact same thing with Kirk's solos on this album that he did on DM. There's lots of footage of those interactions on Making Magnetic. It's basically Lars tell Kirk to go after a certain vibe or feel or telling him when to play fast or stuff like that. Stuff a drummer would say to a guitar player. I'm not going to knock it, because I'm not sure that Kirk could come up with better stuff without Lars at this point. 20 years ago? Yeah probably. But not now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 11:04:57 AM
" No no no! What the hell are you doing premepting the dominant with a major 7th? Do you listen to Metallica and think words like Ionian? No! You think pentatonic! Now stick to the 12th and 14th frets and shut your pie hole!"

::) Kirk duuude. You're in Aeolian. the sixth is MINOR. This song is about PTSD - it's no place to be using any secondary dominants or modal interchange. Think of your scale tones !

Think about voice leading.


:lol I can't imagine Lars having advanced music theory knowledge.  Although in the making of Death Magnetic he is talking about drum accents and he says something like " the and of 3 "

so he's not entirely ignorant of it.



EDIT : Besides - Kirk said in another interview that he records SO MANY solo ideas for each song - he has no idea which is the best one and Greg and Lars help decide. And if it was up to Kirk

- he'd put all of them on the song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on November 30, 2016, 11:09:46 AM
Tom Morello :tdwn

Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.

That sweet little solo in Audioslave's Like A Stone is more memorable than anything Kirk has ever put out.

Yep. I'll never forget how awful that solo is.
Morello has a few solos that suck, but that is most certainly not one of them. My favorite of his is "I Am the Highway." Incredibly simple, but perfect for the song and extremely tasteful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 30, 2016, 11:26:25 AM
Serious question... I am reading a lot of "complaints" about Kirk's solos. For the most part, I never really pay attention to his solos as I'm more focused on what James's rhythm guitar is doing, or Lars on the drums. My question is: would it be better if they went the St. Anger route, and completely eliminated the solo? Does it take away from the song so much that it would be better if it weren't there? Or would it seem like something's missing if it were gone?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 30, 2016, 11:31:23 AM
Serious question... I am reading a lot of "complaints" about Kirk's solos. For the most part, I never really pay attention to his solos as I'm more focused on what James's rhythm guitar is doing, or Lars on the drums. My question is: would it be better if they went the St. Anger route, and completely eliminated the solo? Does it take away from the song so much that it would be better if it weren't there? Or would it seem like something's missing if it were gone?

I wouldn't want them to go all St. Anger again and do no solos intentionally, for me Kirk's solos aren't taking away from these new songs. The problem is, they aren't really adding much for the most part either.

How about this crazy idea: Don't make a silly absolute rule like "no solos" or "solos" in regards to an album. Why don't they see what Kirk could come up with for a song, if it adds to the song in what they determine is a positive manner, have a solo. If it's not, don't have a solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 11:36:50 AM
Yep.

HTSD suffers a bit from having a solo in every song. Sometimes they just don't fit and you tune out until it's over.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on November 30, 2016, 11:37:58 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Kirks solos are awesome and brilliant on this album?  I feel he's back in form and his solos make the album that much better! 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 30, 2016, 11:40:40 AM
HTSD suffers a bit from having a solo in every song. Sometimes they just don't fit and you tune out until it's over.

Yup.

Am I the only one who thinks Kirks solos are awesome and brilliant on this album?  I feel he's back in form and his solos make the album that much better! 

His solos on this are better than DM, IMO. Still not on par with anything he was laying down pre- St. Anger though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 11:43:01 AM

His solos on this are better than DM, IMO. Still not on par with anything he was laying down pre- St. Anger though.

Indeed. There's nothing as amazing as the outro to Leper Messiah or the fast second solo in Master Of Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on November 30, 2016, 12:45:15 PM
[His solos on this are better than DM, IMO.

Not a chance. DM actually had decent solos, this album is just downright terrible in that regard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 30, 2016, 12:54:50 PM
The solo for End Of The Line was literally just any old shit. It wasn't even on tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 30, 2016, 01:36:41 PM
[His solos on this are better than DM, IMO.

Not a chance. DM actually had decent solos, this album is just downright terrible in that regard.

Eh, I'm not going to really try to sell why one turd is nicer than the other, I just think his stuff on HWTSD is better.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 01, 2016, 12:28:57 AM
If Tom Morello would get a guest solo spot on a Metallica song that would definitely be an improvement  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 01, 2016, 03:27:51 AM
The solo for End Of The Line was literally just any old shit. It wasn't even on tempo.

I don't hate the solos on Death Magnetic like most people do (the solos on All Nightmare Long and The Unforgiven III are awesome) but even I think the solo in The End of the Line is atrocious.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2016, 09:31:27 AM
I had a thought the other day.

Since Metallica were Metallica - so since Kill Em All basically - how many people have QUIT Metallica ? Jason Newsted.

That's it.

One Person. Obviously Cliff died so it doesn't count.

Now - how many people since Megadeth's debut album have QUIT the band ?

I guess Lars is easier to get along with than Mustaine :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on December 03, 2016, 09:44:54 AM
I had a thought the other day.

Since Metallica were Metallica - so since Kill Em All basically - how many people have QUIT Metallica ? Jason Newsted.

That's it.

One Person. Obviously Cliff died so it doesn't count.

Now - how many people since Megadeth's debut album have QUIT the band ?

I guess Lars is easier to get along with than Mustaine :lol

Like Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth, Mustaine fired most of his hired guns.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2016, 09:46:39 AM
And Metallica has never fired a member ( I don't count Mustaine since i'm only counting from Kill Em All. Plenty of bands go thru lineups before they get signed )...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on December 03, 2016, 09:47:39 AM
Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 03, 2016, 09:54:57 AM
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2016, 09:56:34 AM
Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.




Imagine.

The nerve of it.

Discussing Metallica in a Metallica thread.

What A Cunt I Am.
I mean You Are.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 03, 2016, 10:00:20 AM
Discussing Metallica in a Metallica thread? Shit outta luck.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on December 03, 2016, 10:03:18 AM
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2016, 10:06:20 AM
Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on December 03, 2016, 10:10:09 AM
Train of Naught - Am I Cunt?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2016, 10:13:17 AM
Train of Naught - Am I Cunt?

Yes He Am.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on December 03, 2016, 11:43:12 AM
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Did Jason suggest a lengthy break?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 03, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
Anywho.... finally listened to the 3rd CD of bonus material.

Lords of Summer sounds MUCH better properly recorded, but still wasn't near the level of the other songs, IMO, basically due to the lyrics. The cover songs are great, Metallica has always been great at covers. And the live set from record store day or whatever sounds really good too!

That whole disc worth of material plus the other 2 discs, all for $9.99 on Amazon?! Good stuff!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2016, 12:27:00 PM
Anywho.... finally listened to the 3rd CD of bonus material.

Lords of Summer sounds MUCH better properly recorded, but still wasn't near the level of the other songs, IMO, basically due to the lyrics. The cover songs are great, Metallica has always been great at covers. And the live set from record store day or whatever sounds really good too!

That whole disc worth of material plus the other 2 discs, all for $9.99 on Amazon?! Good stuff!

I managed to pre order the 3CD version before the price went up :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 03, 2016, 01:17:11 PM
Throwback to "darker" days... the renewed interest in Metallica brought by the new album brought me the curiosity to check if St. Anger was really THAT horrible of an album.

Back in 2003 when it came out, I heard it ONCE and I basically recoiled in horror at what I heard. I literally never, ever listened to the album more than ONCE. I remember there was a slightly abridged and re-recorded fan version, you probably know what I'm talking about, this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-UI3_6HcM

So I tried to listen to it.

Well... yeah, the album was actually bad. It gives no ear-ache to hear it in this version, Frantic is listenable and St. Anger and The Unnamed Feeling are actually pretty nice songs. The rest, all of this IMO of course, is indeed very forgettable.

So I guess that St. Anger, the original album, will probably be the album I will have actually listened only once  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 03, 2016, 01:42:54 PM
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Which band is that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on December 04, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Which band is that?

Sounds like the MP situation, or am I wrong?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 04, 2016, 10:21:51 AM
If Lars ever left - Metallica would be over - but if they did decide to carry on i can bet 100% Mike Portnoy would be all over that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2016, 11:16:02 AM
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........

Which band is that?

Sounds like the MP situation, or am I wrong?

You would be wrong.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 04, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.

Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying

" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 04, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.

Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying

" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "

Jump the gun much Mike?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on December 04, 2016, 01:13:53 PM
How did this turn into another MP bashing thread?  ???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 04, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
How did this turn into another MP bashing thread?  ???




Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."

Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 04, 2016, 01:22:33 PM
How did this turn into another MP bashing thread?  ???

Welcome to Dream Theater Forums. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 04, 2016, 01:27:39 PM
I think I can finally post my song rankings for HTSD:

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Halo On Fire
3. Now That We're Dead
4. Dream No More
5. Atlas, Rise!
6. Moth Into Flame
7. Am I Savage?
8. Here Comes Revenge
9. Confusion
10. Hardwired
11. Murder One
12. ManUNkind
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 04, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
I think I can finally post my song rankings for HTSD:

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Halo On Fire
3. Now That We're Dead
4. Dream No More
5. Atlas, Rise!
6. Moth Into Flame
7. Am I Savage?
8. Here Comes Revenge
9. Confusion
10. Hardwired
11. Murder One
12. ManUNkind

It's too soon for me and I like all songs pretty much equally. I just know that I like Dream No More the most and Murder One is my least fave if I had to pick one.

i'd have to do Groups.

- Gold Tier - ( In No Order )

1. Dream No More
2. Moth Into Flame
3. Spit Out The Bone
4. Halo On Fire

- Silver Tier -

1. Atlas, Rise!
2. Confusion
3. ManUNkind
4. Now That We're Dead

- Bronze Tier -

1. Hardwired
2. Here Comes Revenge
3. Murder One
4. Am I Savage?
5. Lords Of Summer ( If it was on the album proper - but it's a huge improvement on the demo ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 04, 2016, 01:47:29 PM
My groups would be:

- VERY BEST ONES:
Halo On Fire (1st)
Spit Out the Bone (close 2nd)

- SONGS I ENJOY A LOT, not in a specific order:
Hardwired
Moth into Flame
Atlas Rise
Here Comes Revenge
Now that We're Dead

- SONGS I STILL ENJOY A LOT but maybe a tiny bit less than the previous ones:
Dream No More
Murder One
Am I Savage

- SONGS I ENJOY THE LEAST
Confusion
ManUnkind
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 04, 2016, 01:49:40 PM
I'm surprised Confusion isn't liked more as that main riff is right off And Justice For All to my ears.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2016, 03:35:29 PM
I'm surprised Confusion isn't liked more as that main riff is right off And Justice For All to my ears.

It's got some great moments, just doesn't work for me as a whole song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on December 05, 2016, 03:56:04 AM
#1. Halo On Fire (I referred to this as a ballad a while ago, mainly because it has a similar style of sounding epic to TDTNC or FTB, & the song pulls this off incredibly well, maybe even surpassing the former!)  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
#2. Spit Out The Bone (it's hard to make a 200+bpm song extremely interesting, natural-sounding, well-flowing & epic at the same time, especially from a 30+year old band, but look at what we've got here)
#3. Atlas, Rise! (this song just works on every level, love this riffs, love the groove, love the chorus, it's a very consistent song that just gets you pumped up)
#4. ManUNkind (didn't expect to like this one as much as I did, but I love the flow of this track from beginning to end, especially the midsection)
xx: Lords Of Summer (loved the demo, love the song)
#5. Now That We're Dead (it's got a really nice groove to it)
#6. Moth Into Flame (very replayable & easy to just play & enjoy it)
#7. Confusion (I'm not often in the mood to listen to this one, but when I am it's amazing)
#8. Hardwired (hard to rank since it's quite different from the other tracks, so this probably isn't accurate)
#9. Here Comes Revenge (I like it, but never really have the urge to listen to it again)
10. Dream No More (pretty good, but not great)
11. Am I Savage? (haven't listened to it enough to grow on me)
12. Murder One (actually just a bad song)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 05, 2016, 06:44:58 AM
Halo on Fire is definitely better than The Day That Never Comes.


The latter suffers from "An idea from every member per song " syndrome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 05, 2016, 07:20:31 AM
Alright I'll give it a shot:

Songs I love (in no particular order):
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Dream No More
Halo on Fire
Am I Savage?
Spit Out the Bone

Songs I like (in no particular order):
Atlas, Rise!
Confusion
Here Comes Revenge
Hardwired

Songs that are "eh" for me ( in no particular order):
ManUNkind
Murder One

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on December 05, 2016, 09:25:27 AM
To me, the album would be almost perfect if it was a single CD, with this order of songs:

CD1, like it is, more:
7) Confusion
8) ManUNkind
9) Lords of Summer (C'mon, it's one of the best songs on the album! :metal)
10) Here Comes Revenge
11) Am I Savage (the instrumental/solo part makes this song very good!)
12) Spit Out the Bone

Murder One (unfortunately, since it's a tribute to Lemmy) isn't at the same level of the others. It would be an interesting B-side though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: devieira73 on December 05, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
double post
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on December 06, 2016, 10:08:44 AM
Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.

Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying

" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "

I think it's a slight exaggeration to say he quit DT specifically TO JOIN A7X.   As I understand it, playing with A7X kind of gave him a glimpse of how the other half lived, and he decided was going to do it anyway in some form or another, and thought it would be a smooth transition.    There are later quotes from the band that are defensive, but I think that it's more a response to Blabbermouth and that shit than dissing Mike.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 06, 2016, 10:10:17 AM
That's why I said Mike would never own up to it.

I specifically recall an interview with AX7 some time after the fact about it and they said that's exactly what he did.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on December 06, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
That's why I said Mike would never own up to it.

I specifically recall an interview with AX7 some time after the fact about it and they said that's exactly what he did.

I hope that is not true, as that goes against all I believe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 06, 2016, 10:55:41 AM
I don't recall anyone from DT or MP saying that's what happened, but I always felt in the back of my mind that MP thought the grass was greener on the A7X side being that they are a much bigger band and MP played a smaller role meaning he didn't need to work as hard to make more money in A7X.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 06, 2016, 10:59:38 AM
I don't recall anyone from DT or MP saying that's what happened, but I always felt in the back of my mind that MP thought the grass was greener on the A7X side being that they are a much bigger band and MP played a smaller role meaning he didn't need to work as hard to make more money in A7X.

Not to derail this thread more, but, I remember an interview with A7X sometime after all this where they basically said MP came to them and said something along the lines of "I left DT so now I can be with you guys full-time" and there reaction was basically, "uh, you should have talked to us first"...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 06, 2016, 12:35:45 PM
https://youtu.be/9tZrqNlQ7_Y

Right around the 10:25 mark.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 06, 2016, 12:38:29 PM
https://youtu.be/9tZrqNlQ7_Y

Right around the 10:25 mark.

Yup, that's it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 06, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
https://youtu.be/9tZrqNlQ7_Y

Right around the 10:25 mark.

Yup, that's it.

Really interesting how he talks about how A7X was a close mouthed band and MP was not and this was an instance that showed that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 06, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
Seems like a chill guy. I wish I was into AX7 more than I am.

He says Y'know even more than Billie Joe does though ! :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on December 06, 2016, 03:17:18 PM
How is this conversation even remotely on topic??

 >:(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on December 06, 2016, 05:28:15 PM
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun  :corn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 06, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun  :corn

Mediocre :rollin

Oh that's a good one.

It's easily their best album since Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 06, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun  :corn

We haven't talked about Death Magnetic for a few pages now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 06, 2016, 06:13:14 PM
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun  :corn

We haven't talked about Death Magnetic for a few pages now.


:clap:


Hardwired...To Self Destruct is so much better than Death Magnetic.

It's like the difference from Kill Em All to Ride The Lightning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 06, 2016, 06:46:53 PM
Honestly, I cannot stop listening to Hardwired. I really think this could be a new classic!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 07, 2016, 01:20:04 AM
It's easily their best album since Metallica.

"Easily" in the sense that it didn't take that much of an effort to make an album better than the ones that followed the black album?  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 07, 2016, 01:28:36 AM
I'd say it's better than ReLoad, but maybe on par with Load. However, songs like Fixxxer, Outlaw, Thorn Within, Mama Said etc are better than most Hardwired songs.

Doesn't really matter though. It's a great album. Better than their last two at least and that's enough for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jester on December 07, 2016, 01:34:22 AM
Just listened to the Metallica provided YouTube playlist of the new CD.  I'm a bit indifferent on it after one listen.  There have been some hooks, but nothing that has hit me over the head and made me think I need to get back into Metallica.  Glancing over the last couple of pages, seems like the majority here like to love it.  Oh and somehow Avenged Sevenfold and Mike Portnoy came up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 07, 2016, 01:48:43 AM
I like the album, but I kinda agree that it's mediocre. Honestly I feel like I've heard like 80% of those riffs before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on December 07, 2016, 02:00:57 AM
1. AJFA
2. RTL
3. MOP
4. Load
5. DM
6. TBA
7. KEA
8. Hardwired
9. Reload
10. St Anger

I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jester on December 07, 2016, 02:13:15 AM
I'm going to give it another try sometime this week, but I know all the songs that have made it into my top tier, 5 star playlist were love at first listen.  So with that in mind, it is very likely it will become just another post-Black album for me.

If I had it my way, I'd kick out Kirk and bring back Mustaine.  I'd love to see what the Mustaine-Hetfield-Lars songwriting team comes up with today (besides eventual news that one of them killed the other).  Loved Trujillo as a bassist pre-Metallica, so he's pulling.

I remember when Metallica was finally starting to break into the mainstream with the One video, my guitar buddies and I would refer to Kirk as that guitarist that hit the jackpot.  And that's when he was still putting out cool solos.  Other than long term camaraderie, not sure what the guy brings to the table of such a juggernaut as Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 07, 2016, 02:15:19 AM
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun  :corn

You are only allowed to call it mediocre when the master of puppets agrees with you.

But still, I too find it mediocre.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 07, 2016, 03:59:21 AM
It's easily their best album since Metallica.

"Easily" in the sense that it didn't take that much of an effort to make an album better than the ones that followed the black album?  ;D

:yawn:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on December 07, 2016, 04:00:31 AM
I've been listening to this album every day since it's release (at least parts of the album).
ManUNkind and Murder One are still the only tracks I can't get into. The rest of the songs range from awesome to pretty good.
Halo on Fire and Spit out the Bone are my absolute favorites. Fantastic songs!
What I like about this album is that it feels like an inspired band who just wanted to make good songs, and didn't really think about making an album that sounds like this or that. Some songs suffers from having to much stuff in them, like they didn't know when to stop pushing ideas into them.

Ranking of all Metallica-albums so far:

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...and Justice for All
3. Load
4. Black Album
5. Ride the Lightning
6. Hardwired.. to Self Destruct
7. ReLoad
8. Kill 'em All
9. Death Magnetic

Complete bag of shit: St. Anger.... :\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 07, 2016, 04:12:36 AM
No idea where i'd rank HTSD but it's definitely upper mid tier.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on December 07, 2016, 05:45:37 AM
As of now:

1 - MOP
2 - AJFA
3 - RTL
4 - TBA
5 - Load
6 - HWTSD
7 - KEA
8 - Reload
9 - DM
10 - St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 07, 2016, 05:50:10 AM
Probably #4 at the minute. More fun than Load and Reload. Not quite as consistent as The Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 07, 2016, 06:58:07 AM
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.

Interesting, I'd respectfully disagree, particularly when comparing Hardwired and DM. To my ears, its the opposite, I think Hardwired has better song writing, performances, production, etc...

If I had it my way, I'd kick out Kirk and bring back Mustaine.  I'd love to see what the Mustaine-Hetfield-Lars songwriting team comes up with today (besides eventual news that one of them killed the other).  Loved Trujillo as a bassist pre-Metallica, so he's pulling.

Don't get me wrong here, I think Kirk has been pretty underwhelming since basically his contributions to the Loads, but kicking Kirk out and bringing Dave back would be a disaster. If you'd like to see Metallica end their careers (due to in-fighting) then it would be a great plan I guess.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on December 07, 2016, 07:37:21 AM
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.
Yeah, I can get behind that.

I think the only real "problem" I have with Hardwired thus far is that it's just so incredibly forgettable. When I'm listening to it I'm thinking "ok this isn't that bad" but a while after it's over, I can't remember much. :lol It has a tendency to just blur together and the most memorable bits are still the singles for me. I think I'm going to need to start listening to the songs individually.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2016, 07:41:31 AM
After some more listens, I would rate this above mediocre but not as a great album.  Better than expected from Metallica at this point, but I would say about 25% of the album feels like filler another 25% is awesome and the rest is just solid, but not spectacular.  And I don't mean that % in songs, but in music on the album.  A lot of songs just feel like they drag a bit.  Just chugging along with riffs that feel familiar and kind of just blends in with the rest of the album.  The melodies are pretty great on some songs, love Halo on Fire and Spit out the Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on December 07, 2016, 07:46:07 AM
It's a shame that Metallica's studio output has been so few and far between, and iffy and that, that we greet Hardwired like it's all kinds of awesome. I'm not saying it sucks. It definitely does not. It's great to hear them rocking out. It's a good album.

After some more listens, I would rate this above mediocre but not as a great album.  Better than expected from Metallica at this point, but I would say about 25% of the album feels like filler another 25% is awesome and the rest is just solid, but not spectacular.  A

Yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 07, 2016, 09:00:28 AM

I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.

Except for Vocals, Production, Drumming, Arrangement and Lyrics. :hat

I can't say that Death magnetic is better than Hardwired in any of those areas.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 07, 2016, 09:04:45 AM

I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.

Except for Vocals, Production, Drumming, Arrangement and Lyrics. :hat

I can't say that Death magnetic is better than Hardwired in any of those areas.

Yeah I'm with you on this one Kotow, I think Hardwired is their best since TBA or Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2016, 09:07:54 AM

I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.

Except for Vocals, Production, Drumming, Arrangement and Lyrics. :hat

I can't say that Death magnetic is better than Hardwired in any of those areas.

Yeah I'm with you on this one Kotow, I think Hardwired is their best since TBA or Load.

Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 07, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.

 :lol Well I guess it depends, for me that puts Hardwired probably somewhere in the middle of their catalog. For this point in their career, I consider that pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2016, 09:34:49 AM
Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.

 :lol Well I guess it depends, for me that puts Hardwired probably somewhere in the middle of their catalog. For this point in their career, I consider that pretty good.

Yea, it's hard to complain about this release.  It's much better than I expected.  It's probably somewhere in the middle for me as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 07, 2016, 09:35:25 AM
My rankings would be:
- Ride and Master absolute favorites
- Black album, debut and Justice come next
- Hardwired
- Load
- Death Magnetic
- Reload
- that other thing

Load's highs may be higher than the highs of Hardwired, but Load's lows are lower. Hardwired is more consistent throughout.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 07, 2016, 09:41:02 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure if I have done this already, but my Metallica rankings change periodically. So, as of today, I'd say:

1. TBA
2. RTL
3. MOP
4. AJFA
5. Load
6. HWTSD
7. Reload
8. KEA
9. DM
10. SA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 07, 2016, 11:26:56 AM
Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.

 :lol Well I guess it depends, for me that puts Hardwired probably somewhere in the middle of their catalog. For this point in their career, I consider that pretty good.

Yeah I guess it's not saying much depending on how you feel about Load and Reload. I love them so...

If you're the type of fan who thought Load, Reload and Saint Anger were all "shit" then it probably does sound good.

But yeah - for a band that have been going 35 years - for it to be THIS good is quite something and probably the best album they could have made at this point.

It was never going to be Master Of Puppets meets The Black Album in terms of amazing sonics coupled with outstanding songs but it's pretty close.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 07, 2016, 12:25:14 PM
Ride The Lightning
Master Of Puppets
Metallica

...And Justice For All
Kill 'Em All
Hardwired...To Self-Destruct
Load
Reload
Death Magnetic






St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 07, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
Ok my ranking as of right now....

1. Master of Puppets
2. Metallica
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Hardwired
5. Load
6. Reload
7. And Justice For All / Death Magnetic ( both good albums with sucky production )
8. Kill Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 08, 2016, 12:16:42 AM
1. Metallica
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Master Of Puppets
4. ...And Justice For All
5. Hardwired... To Self-Destruct
6. Load
7. Death Magnetic
8. Kill 'Em All
9. Reload
10. St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2016, 12:23:49 AM
I can't really do rankings very well, so my top 3 will all be interchangeable.

1/2/3. Black Album, Justice, Puppets
4. Ride
5. Load
6. Hardwired
7. Reload
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St. Anger
10. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 08, 2016, 02:30:26 AM
My ranking, with spaces in between the tiers.

01: Master of Puppets (This will never change. Ever.)
02: ...And Justice For All (Ditto for this.)

03: Death Magnetic
04: Kill 'Em All
05: The Black Album
06: Ride The Lightning
07: Hardwired...To Self Destruct

08: ReLoad
09: Load
10: St. Anger (This and Load switched places recently.)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 08, 2016, 02:34:27 AM
1. Master of Puppets

2. TBA

3. Ride The Lightning

4. Hardwired


Not all that fussed about any of the rest bar the occasional listen and a  few standout songs (the top three listed there , esp the top 2,  are classics IMO).   The only album of theirs that I find unlistenable is St Anger but nothing outside those top 4 would get a rating of > 7.5/10 from me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 08, 2016, 04:11:49 AM
1. Master of Puppets

2. TBA

3. Ride The Lightning

4. Hardwired

:tup

I think Hardwired will stay around #4 or #5 as times goes on. I think people will come to appreciate the slower songs more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2016, 05:09:40 AM
Still haven't had any time to even listen to the new album.  Rankings seem positive though.  I might just pick it up on the weekend.  No new releases this back end of the year and haven't bought a new album for quite a few weeks so I'm starting to get a bit edgy cause of it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 09, 2016, 09:49:05 PM
So I got bored and came up with a setlist that I'd like to see for the Worldwired tour, while trying to keep it realistic:

Hardwired
Atlas, Rise!
Cyanide
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Moth Into Flame
Now That We're Dead
Dream No More
Sad But True
One
Fixxxer
Master Of Puppets
Fight Fire With Fire
Halo On Fire
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman

Whiskey In The Jar
Seek & Destroy
Creeping Death

Spit Out The Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2016, 09:53:32 PM
Edited without any consideration for being realistic  :metal

Hardwired
Atlas, Rise!
Damage Inc.
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Moth Into Flame
Now That We're Dead
Dream No More
Sad But True
One
Fixxxer
Master Of Puppets
Fight Fire With Fire
Halo On Fire
Unforgiven II
Harvester of Sorrow

Whiskey In The Jar
To Live is to Die
Creeping Death

Spit Out The Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 09, 2016, 10:08:54 PM
Edited without any consideration for being realistic  :metal

Hardwired
Atlas, Rise!
Damage Inc.
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Moth Into Flame
Now That We're Dead
Dream No More
Sad But True
One
Fixxxer
Master Of Puppets
Fight Fire With Fire
Halo On Fire
Unforgiven II
Harvester of Sorrow

Whiskey In The Jar
To Live is to Die
Creeping Death

Spit Out The Bone

Yes. Better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on December 10, 2016, 03:56:03 AM
Can I give it a shot?

Hardwired
Atlas, rise!
Master of puppets
Trapped under ice
Spit out the bone
Moth into flame
The Day that never comes
Of wolf and man
The Memory remains
Unforgiven II
Hero of the day
Halo on fire
Nothing else matters
Enter Sandman
---
Whiskey in the jar
One
Seek and destroy

Here's the thing. I can see some of the Load/Reload songs returning to the set, since those albums are gaining appreciation as years go by, and some 80s songs finally taking a break because enough is enough. This is me predicting it more than wishing in, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2016, 05:12:34 AM
This is the playlist / setlist I've made for when I go to work. Not being content with just making playlists, I organize them as setlists, so that I can listen to an imaginary show. The time it takes for me to make the round trip is 90-95 minutes, so with all the pauses between songs and live endings you get roughly a 2 hour show with this one. Of course I'm bound by time contraints, and songs I've put in recent playlists that I remove since I like to keep things fresh.

Anyway, here's my go, influenced by the live bonus songs of the deluxe version of the album:

The Ecstasy of Gold (intro)
Hardwired
Creeping Death
The Four Horsemen
Moth into Flame
Fade to Black
Atlas, Rise!
One
Turn the Page
Halo on Fire
Sad But True
Spit Out the Bone
Master of Puppets
Enter Sandman
----------------
Last Caress
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Metal Militia
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 10, 2016, 05:16:44 AM
The problem with only having 10 albums in 35 years is that if you made a compilation of album tracks - the production and James voice would vary tremendously.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2016, 05:21:44 AM
Of my compilation the studio tracks are the new ones, The Memory Remains, Sad But True and Last Caress. Everything else is a live version, both for the novelty of it and because being live songs they're played faster and I can gain some minutes to fit in the overall time. So basically I hardly hear young Hetfield  :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 10, 2016, 09:23:18 AM
Here's the thing. I can see some of the Load/Reload songs returning to the set, since those albums are gaining appreciation as years go by, and some 80s songs finally taking a break because enough is enough. This is me predicting it more than wishing in, though.

That would be awesome, since the Load/Reload songs match the new album quite well, with the groove and whatnot. The DM tour was exclusively new stuff and 80's songs, so it would be nice to have that balance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2016, 09:27:22 AM
Speaking of setlists, this is the only Metallica show I've ever attended:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2011/arena-concerti-fiera-milano-rho-italy-1bd361b8.html

Quote
The Ecstasy of Gold
Hit the Lights
Master of Puppets
The Shortest Straw
Seek & Destroy
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Ride the Lightning
Through the Never
All Nightmare Long
Sad But True
The Call of Ktulu
One
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Blackened
Fade to Black
Enter Sandman
=============
Die, Die My Darling (Misfits cover) (with Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax)
Damage, Inc.
Creeping Death

Not THAT bad for my first and only Metallica concert, uh?  ;D :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 10, 2016, 09:29:58 AM
Speaking of setlist, this is the only Metallica show I've ever attended:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2011/arena-concerti-fiera-milano-rho-italy-1bd361b8.html

Not THAT bad for my first and only Metallica concert, uh?  ;D :metal

Goddamn!!! I've seen them 3 times but that setlist destroys all the ones I saw! I am jealous, sir.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2016, 09:33:44 AM
I know! First time I see them and I immediately get The Call of Ktulu among other things!

Furthermore Creeping Death is my favorite song by them and I knew they often opened with it, or played it second. When the show was done I had long resigned that they wouldn't play it, and when James did the "You count in the next song" game calling the audience to shout "1,2,3,4", as I knew it often happened with Creeping Death, I remember being frozen in anticipation and when the song started, I literally screamed of joy jumping to hug a taller friend who was there with me. It was a glorious moment  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 10, 2016, 09:37:39 AM
RTL is my favorite album of all time, so for them to casually play over half the album, it would make me go crazy!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 12, 2016, 04:11:39 AM
RTL is my favorite album of all time, so for them to casually play over half the album, it would make me go crazy!

Ditto
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 12, 2016, 04:24:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TvWdVXoD8

The Making Of " Now That We're Dead ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on December 12, 2016, 07:18:01 AM
These 'making of' videos always make me appreciate song more, I'm glad they did it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 12, 2016, 08:18:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TvWdVXoD8

The Making Of " Now That We're Dead ".

Awesome video, I'm starting to wonder if some of my issues with the guitar solos on this record are Kirk and his playing or with the choices and directions of others (Lars and Greg). I liked some of the stuff he laid down in this video way more than what made it on to the album.

I'm wondering if he came in, did a bunch of passes, and then left. After he was gone Lars and Greg cut those takes together and made stuff they liked. If that's the case, shame on Kirk for not having a more invested interest on what his solos would be on the record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 12, 2016, 08:52:16 AM
I've read elsewhere that James has said that Kirk is totally un-interested and disconnected in the studio. Lars and him will be discussing something and Kirk is just reading and not participating.

Maybe he just isn't into it anymore and treats it more like work rather than his hobby.


- - - - - -

Also - everything about this album cycle has been great ( long wait aside ** ) - I love how they dropped the info for the new album, the first single and video all in one day like BOOM.

Plus a 3CD edition of the album with Lords of Summer as a studio quality bonus track for those that wanted it - and it's on the bonus disc for people who don't want it on the album etc...

A music video for every song - and a making of for every song.

Actual music aside - i'm not sure what else anyone could want.

BUT if I did have to pick something - I was hoping for a live-in-the-studio playthrough of the whole album as a DVD again :)



--------


** - But as I always said - the long wait will be worth it if the album is great - which to me it definitely is. It pretty much ticked all my "expectation" boxes...

PLUS - weirdly - the actual studio time for Hardwired is A LOT LESS than it was for Death Magnetic.

Death Magnetic - entered the studio Late 2005 - Album Late 2008

Hardwired - Entered the studio late 2014 - Album out late 2016.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 12, 2016, 09:33:41 AM
I've read elsewhere that James has said that Kirk is totally un-interested and disconnected in the studio. Lars and him will be discussing something and Kirk is just reading and not participating.

Maybe he just isn't into it anymore and treats it more like work rather than his hobby.

Yeah maybe that's just it, it's just disappointing because there have been a couple of these making of videos in which some of the stuff that was left on the cutting room floor sounds better than what was used. I guess that's what happens when a drummer is editing together guitar solos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 12, 2016, 09:37:01 AM
It makes sense since Lars doesn't play a melodic instrument - he goes by feel or vibe.

He must think a particular solo feels right rather than being melodically supportive.


- - - - - -

The one thing the internet has done is to make bands create deluxe editions of their albums as a carrot to buy rather than download.

I don't remember anywhere near as many "Special Deluxe DVD editions" of albums before illegal downloading really took off.

You bought the CD and that was that.

1 single four months before the album. Then the album. Then nothing for 2 years :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on December 12, 2016, 12:37:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TvWdVXoD8

The Making Of " Now That We're Dead ".

Awesome video, I'm starting to wonder if some of my issues with the guitar solos on this record are Kirk and his playing or with the choices and directions of others (Lars and Greg). I liked some of the stuff he laid down in this video way more than what made it on to the album.

I'm wondering if he came in, did a bunch of passes, and then left. After he was gone Lars and Greg cut those takes together and made stuff they liked. If that's the case, shame on Kirk for not having a more invested interest on what his solos would be on the record.
I'm loving the making of videos. And I kind of agree with you here. It seems like the others have a lot more influence on what actually ends up on the record than Kirk does, solo wise. Which is fine, but it means that some of the blame for lackluster soloing has to fall on them, not Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 12, 2016, 12:47:56 PM
Which is fine, but it means that some of the blame for lackluster soloing has to fall on them, not Kirk.

Spot on, that's where I am at now, having watched all these making of videos, or at least all the one's they have released so far.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 13, 2016, 02:09:45 AM
What I'm especially seeing, and it sort of surprised the hell out of it after the whole St. Anger/Some Kind of Monster ordeal, is how much fun they're still having as a band. Plus the enthousiasm for the the new material (rightly so). Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2016, 03:31:49 AM
. Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.

:lol Oh it's THIS old chestnut.

Right - Bob Rock came in as a producer and told JAMES AND LARS what to do. And they totally went for it because they had to ?! The production on St Anger was 100% Bob Rocks idea and HETFIELD AND ULRICH HAD NO SAY . In no universe is this remotely close to being accurate.

Not to mention that Metallica, Load, Reload, Garage Inc are some of the best sounding rock albums ever.

:rollin.

If anything - Rick Ruin fucked everything up by making them sound the worst they'd ever sounded on an album and just getting them to go backwards instead of forwards.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on December 13, 2016, 04:01:38 AM
Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.

ikr, I hated it when Bob Rock injected liquid at high pressure into subterranean rocks, boreholes, etc. so as to force open existing fissures and extract oil or gas. Easily the worst part of Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2016, 04:06:01 AM
Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.

ikr, I hated it when Bob Rock injected liquid at high pressure into subterranean rocks, boreholes, etc. so as to force open existing fissures and extract oil or gas. Easily the worst part of Reload.

He was on a mission to get the best sounding rock he could.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on December 13, 2016, 04:59:12 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 13, 2016, 07:03:03 AM
God, I'd love if Bob worked with Metallica again. I think the new record sounds pretty good sonically, Greg did a good job in that department, but Bob is more willing to take these guys to task and history has shown us that's exactly what they need sometimes. Anyone who has watched documentaries and footage of Bob working with the band knows that he pushed each member in different ways in order to serve the song the best. He wasn't deciding what the song should sound like, he was hearing the song, reacting to it, and pushing each member to deliver for the song.

Placing the blame on Bob for the shift in style and sound in the 90's and beyond is simply wrong, it's been discussed so much over the years that James and Lars wanted to go that direction. All Bob did was make suggestions when he felt he could (which he admitted wasn't a ton) and made the band sound their absolute BEST in studio.

The sonic quality of TBA, the Loads, Garage Inc....Those are some of the best sounding metal/rock records I have ever heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on December 13, 2016, 08:04:55 AM
TBA is, for me, the best sounding metal record ever. So yeah, Bob Rock must know what he was doing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
And to suggest that Saint Anger was 100% Bob Rock's vision and Hetfield & Ulrich just had to twiddle their thumbs and say " Yes Bob, Whatever you Say Bob. "...

... :lol You don't know James & Lars at all.

At the start of the Some Kind Of Monster movie - Lars says he envisions " an angry, aggressive fucked up album ".

So yeah it was all Bob Rock's idea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 13, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
At the start of the Some Kind Of Monster movie - Lars says he envisions " an angry, aggressive fucked up album ".

Well, he got that part right  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2016, 10:05:54 AM
If only Death Magnetic had the production of at least Hardwired...

Would have been so much better.

But I think DM was better than SA and HTSD is better than DM so they appear to be hitting their second wind.

Maybe when the next album surfaces it could be a new classic like Master / Black.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 16, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
What is everyone's favorite Metallica song? If you have one

Mine is Orion
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 16, 2016, 12:36:45 PM
Creeping Death, always loved it since the beginning. Metallica were one of the first metal bands I've ever started to listen as a teenager so in my still naive and uneducated, basic knowledge of heavy metal I considered Creeping Death the most brutal and heaviest song ever 'cause I couldn't conceive something more "extreme".

At the first and so far only Metallica concert I've seen they've played it last, imagine hearing your favorite song at the end of the set, what a way to go  :metal :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 16, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
What is everyone's favorite Metallica song? If you have one

Mine is Orion

Too hard to pick just one but Top 3 are Battery, Sad But True, Disposable Heroes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on December 16, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
If I had to choose one (no!) it would be Blackened.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 16, 2016, 12:53:53 PM
Tough choice between Creeping Death and Fade To Black, but I'll go with Creeping Death tonight.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 16, 2016, 12:56:32 PM
I actually think Creeping Death might be my favorite as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 16, 2016, 12:58:29 PM
But not the Ride the Lightning version - I prefer the live tempo of it. It sounds so slow on the CD now.

I think the Cunning Stunts version might be my favourite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 16, 2016, 01:11:49 PM
Seattle 1989 is awesome too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDGaQNaVvvY
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on December 16, 2016, 01:24:15 PM
Favorite song is difficult..
Disposable Heroes, Frayed ends of Sanity and Unforgiven 2 are stand outs.
Spit out the Bone is climbing up there!  :metal I can't believe that I love a 2016-'tallica song that much  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on December 16, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
Useless data interesting to nobody be me, but I figured out all of the songs I've seen them play live. Didn't know they were so consistent with the classics. Had no idea they played Sanitarium and FWtBT at 8 shows I've been too. At the same time I've only seen Horsemen once, and that was pretty recent, in a relative sense. Songs I'd love to see but haven't would be Blitzkrieg, The Wait, Orion, Bleeding Me, Outlaw, and Fixxer.

Also plan to see them twice at the Foro Sol in Mexico City in a few months. Hopefully playing three nights they'll dig up some relics.

Seek and Destroy x10
Master x9
Creeping x8
Bell Tolls x8
Welcome Home x8
one x8
Sad x7
NEM x7
Fade to Black x6
Harvester x6
Whiplash x6
Battery x6
Sandman x6
Last Caress x5
Am I Evil x5
wherever I may roam x3
Unforgiven x3
Blackened x2
leper messiah x2
breadfan x2
so what x2
fuel x2
that was just your life x2
end of the line x2
broke beat scarred x2
cyanide x2
dyers eve x2
Lightning
Damage inc.
eye of the beholder
justice
through the never
Stone Cold Crazy
of wolf and man
shortest straw
god that failed
disposable heroes
no leaf clover
king nothing
I disappear
turn the page
die die my darling
frantic
st anger
no remorse
four horseman
holier than thou
memory remains
Judas kiss
all nightmare long
day that never comes
killing time
the prince

This list excludes medleys, of which there were several, and an entire concert without Hetfield.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 16, 2016, 03:02:49 PM
I've seen them only once as I said so that concert for me was awesome, I was a kid in a candy store getting to hear classic songs one after another.

If they come around for this album tour I wouldn't mind seeing them once again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 16, 2016, 04:05:03 PM
Fade To Black, if you can't figure it out hahaha.

Although Ride The Lightning is a close second.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 16, 2016, 04:23:27 PM
I dunno if we did this already...


BUT... Pick your 1 fave song from each album.

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends of Sanity
5. Sad But True
6. Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer
8. My World
9. All Nightmare Long
10. Spit Out The Bone

11. The More I See [ Garage Inc ].
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 16, 2016, 04:33:18 PM
1. The four horseman
2. Fade to black
3. Orion
4. One
5. Nothing else matters
6. Until it sleeps
7. Unforgiven 2
8. Some kind of monster
9. All nightmare long
10. Atlas rise
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on December 16, 2016, 04:35:28 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Fade to Black
3. Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
4. Blackened
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. Until It Sleeps
7. The Unforgiven II (but it's very tough, there are Fixxer and WTWTA)
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes

Dunno about the latest yet, Now That We're Dead or Moth Into Flame or Dream No More.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 16, 2016, 04:52:08 PM
Here's my favorite song from each album, with my favorite Metallica song bolded.

01: Metal Militia
02: Creeping Death
03: Master of Puppets
04: Blackened
05: Sad But True
06: King Nothing
07: Low Man's Lyric
08: Frantic
09: All Nightmare Long
10: Dream No More

11: Turn the Page
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 16, 2016, 06:25:19 PM
The Four Horsemen
Fade To Black
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Blackened
My Friend Of Misery
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby/Fixxxer (tie)
St. Anger
The Judas Kiss
Spit Out The Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on December 17, 2016, 04:23:35 AM
1. Motorbreath
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayes ends of sanity
5. Wherever i may Roam
6. Bleeding me
7. Unforgiven 2
8. Unnamed feeling
9. All nightmare long
10. Spit out the bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 17, 2016, 04:30:33 AM
Album by album?

Motorbreath
Creeping Death
Master of Puppets
One
Wherever I May Roam
Bleeding Me
The Memory Remains
St. Anger
All Nightmare Long
Halo on Fire
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 17, 2016, 04:34:16 AM
The Four Horsemen
The Call of Ktulu
Master of Puppets
One
The Unforgiven
Until It Sleeps
Fixxxer
Some Kind of Monster
The End of the Line

I haven't listened to HTSD enough yet, but I'd say either Halo On Fire, Moth Into Flame or Spit Out The Bone from that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2016, 04:43:03 AM
Ok, I'd probably go:

The Four Horsemen
The Call of Ktulu
Orion
Blackened
The Unforgiven
King Nothing
The Unforgiven II
Mercyful Fate (Garage Inc.)
The Call of Ktulu (S&M)
St. Anger
The Unforgiven III
Atlas, Rise!/Here Comes Revenge

Yea, I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on December 17, 2016, 05:21:05 AM
Right now my favorite Metallica song is No Leaf Clover.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2016, 05:31:20 AM
Right now my favorite Metallica song is No Leaf Clover.

Listened to that on the way to work this morning! Really helped me deal with my hangover  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on December 17, 2016, 05:45:18 AM
Right now my favorite Metallica song is No Leaf Clover.

Probably in my top 3 too  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on December 17, 2016, 05:59:33 AM
No Remorse
Fight Fire With Fire
Disposable Heroes
Dyer's Eve
Wherever I May Roam
Bleeding Me
Where The Wild Things Are
All Within My Hands
All Nightmare Long
Spit Out The Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2016, 06:08:52 AM
Really tough one to choose from KEA. Could just as easily choose Hit The Lights, Horsemen, Jump in the Fire, or Seek and Destroy.
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Battery
One
Wherever I May Roam
Hero of the Day
Unforgiven II
Shoot Me Again
The Judas Kiss
Dream No More

Most of those are really tough to choose, although the last 3 were easy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 17, 2016, 06:13:30 AM
The Four Horsemen
Creeping Death
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
One
The God That Failed
Until It Sleeps
Devil's Dance
(No Leaf Clover)
St Anger
The Day That Never Comes
Spit Out The Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 17, 2016, 07:31:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 17, 2016, 02:31:33 PM
I love joe Rogan
I love James Hetfield

I was pleasantly surprised when I saw he was on as a guest  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on December 18, 2016, 06:03:07 AM
Wait really? I'll have to check it out. I enjoy listening to Joe Rogan from time to time, especially when he has interesting guests on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 18, 2016, 08:09:25 AM
He swears like a sailor :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on December 18, 2016, 12:34:08 PM
It's a very, very long interview, much of it focused on bees. For some reason I still listened to all of it. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on December 18, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
Maybe when the next album surfaces it could be a new classic like Master / Black.

That's not a when, that's an IF! 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on December 19, 2016, 12:52:25 AM
I feel this new album could shape up to be one of their classics. I like it as much as anything they've ever done. Very fun album to listen to!!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 19, 2016, 12:53:52 AM
It's a great album for a workout in the gym, I'll tell ya that!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on December 19, 2016, 05:44:24 AM
It's a very, very long interview, much of it focused on bees. For some reason I still listened to all of it. :lol

Listening to it now, it's a shorter interview by rogan standards :lol

Pretty good interview so far.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 19, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
It's a very, very long interview, much of it focused on bees. For some reason I still listened to all of it. :lol

Listening to it now, it's a shorter interview by rogan standards :lol

Pretty good interview so far.

Listening too! Joe is really good...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 20, 2016, 04:42:38 AM
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car.  Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it.  Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great.  Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half.  Solid, looking forward to the second disc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 20, 2016, 05:20:57 AM
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car.  Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it.  Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great.  Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half.  Solid, looking forward to the second disc.

Disc 2 is overall a lot more Reload. Mid paced and kinda experimental. But Am I Savage has the best riff on the album. You'll know it when you hear it.

Spit Out The Bone is amazing.

Confusion has a very And Justice For All verse riff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 20, 2016, 07:18:17 AM
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car.  Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it.  Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great.  Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half.  Solid, looking forward to the second disc.

Disc 2 is overall a lot more Reload. Mid paced and kinda experimental. But Am I Savage has the best riff on the album. You'll know it when you hear it.

Spit Out The Bone is amazing.

Confusion has a very And Justice For All verse riff.

Yeah pretty much that. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on the second disc wolf... Like Kotow said, it's very Load-Reloadish outside of Confusion (could have been on AJFA) and Spit Out the Bone (could have been on any of the first four albums).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 20, 2016, 07:24:05 AM
Hetfield's favourite track on the new album is 'Dream No More' (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/james_hetfield_whats_my_favorite_song_from_new_metallica_album.html).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 20, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
Top 3 Hardwired To Self Destruct tracks...

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Dream No More
3. Halo On Fire

If I had to choose a least favourite i'd cheat and say Lords Of Summer but actual non-bonus track = Murder One. I do like it but I enjoy every other song more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on December 20, 2016, 10:03:59 AM
Here Comes Revenge is a favorite here at the moment. Love the build up from the end of the verse to the pre-chorus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 20, 2016, 10:22:54 AM
According to Kirk - the weird intro to Here Comes Revenge is from a different song that they messed around with in Pro Tools and put on afterwards.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on December 20, 2016, 10:32:31 AM
Here Comes Revenge is a favorite here at the moment. Love the build up from the end of the verse to the pre-chorus.
I'm working on learning Here Comes Revenge through Rocksmith today. Man, I really need to get back into shape for this style of music. I worked through the first half the song and my right arm is toast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 20, 2016, 11:21:48 AM
ON a good day i can play Moth Into Flame's rhythm parts without stopping.

Atlas Rise! is fun but yeah my right shoulder hurts afterwards. Hitting the tarmac 18 months ago didn't help.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on December 20, 2016, 11:33:43 AM
I haven't played guitar regularly for years, so jumping right into these kinds of parts right away is a stretch. :lol Metallica always gets me back into guitar for some reason, though. When Death Magnetic came out, I was all over trying to learn those songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 20, 2016, 11:37:58 AM
I think Moth is the trickiest song on the new album. Lots of fiddly parts.

Hardwired is the hardest due to the speed of it.

I don't find Spit out The bone too hard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on December 20, 2016, 11:42:01 AM
Now That We're Dead was the first one I tried to play, because it sounded easy, and it was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 20, 2016, 05:51:09 PM
Top 3 Hardwired To Self Destruct tracks...

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Dream No More
3. Halo On Fire

^This. Possibly in a different order though.

If every song on the album was as good as those 3, it would be an excellent album. As it is, it's just good imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on December 20, 2016, 06:09:21 PM
As said by many, this is at least a good album.

My absolute favs are:
Spit Out The Bone
Moth Into Flame
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2016, 04:42:06 AM
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car.  Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it.  Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great.  Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half.  Solid, looking forward to the second disc.

Disc 2 is overall a lot more Reload. Mid paced and kinda experimental. But Am I Savage has the best riff on the album. You'll know it when you hear it.

Spit Out The Bone is amazing.

Confusion has a very And Justice For All verse riff.

Yeah pretty much that. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on the second disc wolf... Like Kotow said, it's very Load-Reloadish outside of Confusion (could have been on AJFA) and Spit Out the Bone (could have been on any of the first four albums).

Cheers boys.  Still on disc 1, I think it's fantastic.  Will crack onto disc 2 tomorrow.  I shouldn't have a problem with the Reload references, I always found a lot of stuff on that disc to like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 21, 2016, 05:33:54 AM

Cheers boys.  Still on disc 1, I think it's fantastic.  Will crack onto disc 2 tomorrow.  I shouldn't have a problem with the Reload references, I always found a lot of stuff on that disc to like.

Quick summary :

1. Confusion  - A lot of AJFA in the verse riff. Black Album chorus. A stomper. Should sound good live if they don't rush it.

2. ManUNkind - Swung rhythm. Cool bass intro. A funkier more upbeat version of 2x4 from Load.

3. Here Comes Revenge. More Black Album style goodness with Reload style weirdness in the intro. Wolf And Man type vibe.

4. Am I Savage. More swing ! Clean intro. Funky Wasting My Hate style main riff and *THAT* riff at 4:10.

5. Murder One. Most people's least favourite. not *bad* by any means. Just not a stand out.

6. Spit Out The Bone. It's as good as you've heard. Maybe not on first listen but it gets stuck in your head. Second fastest song on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 21, 2016, 06:51:10 AM
I think Moth is the trickiest song on the new album. Lots of fiddly parts.

Yeah, I learned most of Atlas, but Moth has some tricky right hand stuff going on, it's hard to get perfectly tight.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Moor on December 21, 2016, 07:07:09 AM
Here Comes Revenge is a favorite here at the moment. Love the build up from the end of the verse to the pre-chorus.

Same here
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2016, 07:56:27 AM
5. Murder One. Most people's least favourite. not *bad* by any means. Just not a stand out.

I was listening to disc 2 on my drive into work and I really thought to myself that this is the only bad song on the album.  Some great songs mostly solid songs and then this one bad song, just my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 21, 2016, 09:16:41 AM
I think Moth is the trickiest song on the new album. Lots of fiddly parts.

Yeah, I learned most of Atlas, but Moth has some tricky right hand stuff going on, it's hard to get perfectly tight.

It's that awkward verse rhythm with that fiddly turnaround going right back into that awkward rhythm. Hardest thing on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 21, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
It's that awkward verse rhythm with that fiddly turnaround going right back into that awkward rhythm. Hardest thing on the album.

Yup. It's frustrating too, because in terms of actual notes being played, it's pretty simple. But trying to play it over and over up to tempo, it's tough to play clean.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 21, 2016, 10:36:17 AM
First time I heard Atlas it sounded hella complex but it really isn't.

It's easier than Moth for sure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 26, 2016, 04:48:14 AM
So Disc 2 isn't quite up to the quality of Disc 1, but with more listens, it's not far off.

Confusion is a solid Load and Black era offering and I can definitely hear the Justive influence too.  ManUnkind is one of the weakest, but is saved but some groovy riffing.  The melodies are lacking a bit though.  Revenge is becoming one of my favs and is a real grower.  Love the chorus.  Am I Savage I think is top 3 at the moment.  Not much to it, but can't get it out of my head.  When I first heard the riff everyone is drooling over, I thought, 'it's cool, but nothing mindblowing,' but then it gets stuck in my head and I just randomly can't stop tapping it, it's quite clever and brutal at the same time.  Murder One is meh and placed appropriately.  Bone is incredible, nothing more to say, what a song.  Love the Maiden style harmony in there and James' vocal melodies over that part are fabulous.

Terrific album from start to finish.  The only downside is Kirk, he's just a shithouse guitarist and the songs could be so much more with some thought, imagignation and technique put into the solos. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 26, 2016, 04:51:16 AM
Terrific album from start to finish.  The only downside is Kirk, he's just a shithouse guitarist and the songs could be so much more with some thought, imagignation and technique put into the solos.

I have been pleading with Jaymz to get Skolnick in since the 80's but he won't listen :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 26, 2016, 04:56:55 AM
Terrific album from start to finish.  The only downside is Kirk, he's just a shithouse guitarist and the songs could be so much more with some thought, imagignation and technique put into the solos.

I have been pleading with Jaymz to get Skolnick in since the 80's but he won't listen :lol

It's funny you mention that.  I actually thought a few times when listening to this album about how good it would be with someone like Skolnick behind the strings.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on December 26, 2016, 05:53:15 AM
I was listening to the new album earlier today & this question popped into my mind: if this album had an instrumental, what track would you want it to be?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 26, 2016, 06:28:09 AM
I was listening to the new album earlier today & this question popped into my mind: if this album had an instrumental, what track would you want it to be?

The outro to Halo On Fire would be a pretty cool climax to an instrumental.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 26, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Hetfield's favourite track on the new album is 'Dream No More' (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/james_hetfield_whats_my_favorite_song_from_new_metallica_album.html).

Me too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 26, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 26, 2016, 03:54:52 PM
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.

https://metallica.com/tour
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 26, 2016, 05:05:23 PM
Hetfield's favourite track on the new album is 'Dream No More' (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/james_hetfield_whats_my_favorite_song_from_new_metallica_album.html).

Me too.

I must be missing something, I don't fully get the love for this song.  It's cool, but not even top 5 for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 26, 2016, 06:42:14 PM
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.

https://metallica.com/tour

Sorry, AMERICAN tour dates lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on December 26, 2016, 07:19:20 PM
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.

https://metallica.com/tour

Sorry, AMERICAN tour dates lol

I got ticket to their first EVER show in Hong Kong on 1/20/2017!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 27, 2016, 04:16:32 AM
I'd like to catch themy on the US tour as well
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 27, 2016, 04:32:47 AM
And to cover the third continent in a row, I wouldn't mind at all to see them again here in Italy, it would be my second time since the first one in 2011 for the Big Four.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 27, 2016, 05:15:09 AM
I like how Here Comes Revenge is in Gminor in the verse and E minor in the chorus and it goes between the two without sounding jarring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on December 27, 2016, 11:23:18 PM
Had a thought today: If y'all think Kirk's playing is bad now, just imagine it in 5-8 years!   :lol  NOW do you want another Metallica album?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on December 28, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
That double bass in Lords Of Summer!  :o  Not bad, gramps!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 28, 2016, 09:36:43 AM
That double bass in Lords Of Summer!  :o  Not bad, gramps!

He can do 16ths like in the break in Blackened still but he can't keep it up for as long as he once could.

The double-time double bass at the end of Fade To Black live he can still do no trouble.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 28, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
That double bass in Lords Of Summer!  :o  Not bad, gramps!

He can do 16ths like in the break in Blackened still but he can't keep it up for as long as he once could.

The double-time double bass at the end of Fade To Black live he can still do no trouble.

He doesn't even try the double bass in the verses of Dyers Eve anymore because he knows that he can't do it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 28, 2016, 03:17:00 PM
Seems fair.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on December 29, 2016, 11:07:09 AM
I like how Here Comes Revenge is in Gminor in the verse and E minor in the chorus and it goes between the two without sounding jarring.
If I have to be honest, the transition to E minor sounds extremely anti-climactic and underwhelming to me, it pretty much kills the song for me. The verses are very unique melodically, and then they go back to generic riffing and overused key.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 29, 2016, 11:14:45 AM
But the riff under it can still be thought of as G minor aeolian.

It's also E Locrian so it kinda works.

I just think it's interesting since you don't normally think that E minor & G minor go together.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 30, 2016, 10:13:01 AM
My Hardwired...To Self-Destruct ranking after 6 weeks.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 30, 2016, 01:43:27 PM
01: Dream No More
02: Halo on Fire
03: Moth Into Flame
04: Spit Out the Bone
05: Confusion
06: Now That We're Dead
07: ManUNkind
08: Here Comes Revenge
09: Am I Savage?
10: Atlas, Rise!
11: Hardwired
12: Murder One

Lords of Summer would be somewhere in the middle. Probably in between HCR and AIS.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 30, 2016, 02:21:09 PM
If this was an 8 track album like Ride & Master - i'd have all of Disc 1, Confusion and Spit Out The Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 30, 2016, 03:06:40 PM
If this was an 8 track album like Ride & Master - i'd have all of Disc 1, Confusion and Spit Out The Bone.

Same only it would be Am I Savage and Spit from disc 2
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on December 30, 2016, 03:20:00 PM
Here Comes Revenge and Spit Out the Bone for me
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2016, 03:23:30 PM
I'd say screw an 8 track limit and I'd put in Revenge, Bone and Savage.

But if I had to stick to 8, I'd dump Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 30, 2016, 04:10:54 PM
I know this isn't *technically* a double album - but it's a very rare example of a double album where it's not half great and half meh.

I think it's a fantastic album for all of it's 77 minutes. 84 minutes if you count Lords Of Summer - which is also "pretty good".

So yeah - bravo. And well worth the wait. More like this next time please !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on December 30, 2016, 04:25:54 PM
I guess I like Lords of Summer more than most. The lyrics aren't great, but everything else about it is really good I think.



Could have done without the live tracks though. Good god Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 30, 2016, 04:31:04 PM
It wasn't a good gig for Kirk but somethings up with him anyway. Probably an injury - which is a shame..

Even Lars isn't nearly as sloppy as he used to be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFkT0oHHH70 < - - - Creep and Blackened from Fox Theatre. Actual double bass from lars !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on December 31, 2016, 08:02:00 AM
01: Halo on Fire   
02: Moth Into Flame
03: Spit Out the Bone
04: Dream No More
05: Here Comes Revenge
06: Now That We're Dead
07: Atlas, Rise!
08: Hardwired
09: Confusion
10: Am I Savage?
11: ManUNkind
12: Murder One
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on December 31, 2016, 09:03:44 AM
I was thinking of this while listening to disc 1...a combination.  Mine would be simple:
HW
Atlas
Moth
Dream
LOS
Bone
Maybe one other song
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 31, 2016, 10:23:33 AM
I like the new version of Lords of Summer. It's a big improvement.

But I still don't think it's good enough to be on the album proper.

I'm glad a proper studio version of it exists though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on December 31, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
I like the new version of Lords of Summer. It's a big improvement.

But I still don't think it's good enough to be on the album proper.

I'm glad a proper studio version of it exists though.

Agreed on all counts. Putting it as a bonus track on the third disc was the perfect decision, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2017, 04:01:52 AM
Yes it was.

You want a studio version ? It's on Disc 3. You don't like the song at all ? It's on Disc 3. Not shoved on the end of Disc 2 as a Bonus Track which ruins the flow of the main album...

Perfect decision.

They obviously like the song in the band too as it's got it's own music video and the booklet has the lyrics. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 01, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
Wow a lot of people are comparing this album to Load/Reload... Which is a huge exaggeration IMO. Not all the songs have the same speed or kick as DM, but it's still a Metallica Thrash album, which Load and Reload most definitely were not.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 01, 2017, 10:20:17 AM
I hope they announce the U.S. tour dates soon. I am very ready
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2017, 01:08:29 PM
Wow a lot of people are comparing this album to Load/Reload... Which is a huge exaggeration IMO. Not all the songs have the same speed or kick as DM, but it's still a Metallica Thrash album, which Load and Reload most definitely were not.

King Nothing was bluesy pentatonic slow hard rock.

Several songs on Disc 2 can also be described as such.

2x4 and manUNkind aren't that dissimilar.

Wasting My Hate would have fit right in on Hardwired To Self Destruct.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 01, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
Yeah, I can understand how some songs remind people of the Loads. But for me, I hear influence on this album from their entire catalogue, except maybe St. Anger. It's one of the reasons I've really been liking this album, it's got a little bit of everything Metallica has to offer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 06:34:27 AM
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!

Amazing !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 05, 2017, 07:02:42 AM
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!

Amazing !

All on Metallica's own label too, good for them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2017, 07:54:23 AM
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!

Amazing !

All on Metallica's own label too, good for them.

While still having the entire album free to stream/watch on youtube.  Pretty cool  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 08:44:07 AM
New Page :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!

Amazing !

All on Metallica's own label too, good for them.

Yes and barely any middle men to siphon it off. Metallica, The Management and whatever stores take ?

I know that Cinemas take a whopping 50% cut of all ticket sales.




Quote from: cramx3
While still having the entire album free to stream/watch on youtube.  Pretty cool  :metal


Free yes but they still make money off it from adverts I bet.

All the album music videos ( for Hardwired alone ) have over 70 million views.

Plus you have behind the scenes, making of the videos, MetOnTour vids of all the song debuts.

They know what they're doing.

I've got the 3CD version and have the Vinyl version on the way. Looking forward to hearing how it sounds on record ! :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on January 05, 2017, 09:02:13 AM
As business guys, Metallica are pretty impressive. They've made some dumb decisions (the Orion festival, the Through the Never film) that have cost them cash, but they've also been very savvy over the years. They've balanced it with some really smart moves as well. No one in that band will ever have to worry about anything financially, that's for sure.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
Yeah in my opinion - the all-at-once reveal and music video for every song were both genius moves.

After such a long gap - ( they only spent 18 months actually working on the album so ironically it took LESS time than usual ) - It was good to one day out of the blue

- boom ! Release all the album info at once with the first single and video.

It went some way to making up for the long wait.


Plus every song being on Youtube with a video to go with it - should help cut down on pirating AND lots of people use YT to listen to music - so why not have a video to watch too ?

Where were all these good ideas when you were making Thru The Never and the Orion fests ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2017, 09:38:20 AM
Quote from: cramx3
While still having the entire album free to stream/watch on youtube.  Pretty cool  :metal


Free yes but they still make money off it from adverts I bet.

All the album music videos ( for Hardwired alone ) have over 70 million views.

Plus you have behind the scenes, making of the videos, MetOnTour vids of all the song debuts.

They know what they're doing.

I've got the 3CD version and have the Vinyl version on the way. Looking forward to hearing how it sounds on record ! :)

True, but that wasn't my point.  I was trying to say that the band still sold tons of albums while having the music free.  I mean lots of bands have that in unofficial ways now, but to openly as the band through it out there AND still have significant sales is impressive.  To me it shows that people still care to support the music they like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 09:54:01 AM
For me - having the album on two discs was a draw. It meant a nicer all around package.

I got the 3CD. Even better !

The album is 77 minutes overall so it doesn't count as two albums sold - but each *version* of the album does.

And if there's a $stupid boxset available - some people WILL buy it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 05, 2017, 10:10:22 AM
i have listened to the album once through so far, and it doesnt sound like the Death Magnetic sequel i was expecting. but still a very good album so far. it isnt as thrashy, which im initially disappointed by because i prefer metallica that way as opposed to being midpaced. But still awesome, its only been one listen. maybe its the production that surprisingly brings to mind Load/Reload, because its certianly not the heaviness doing that. ive heard othert people say that too.

what is it exactly about this new record that brings to mind Load/Reload? i think it could be the mid pace of some songs with the guitar tone and production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 10:21:14 AM
The mid pace - the bluesy riffs and the more pentatonic soloing.

To be honest - i'd rather an album of Reload style songs that are GREAT than 10 generic thrash songs that are fast for the sake of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 05, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
Yeah, I think certain songs remind me of the Loads because of the tempo and groove. Also the production plays a part. This album, like the Loads, has a bigger, weightier, warmer sound to it. I've always been a fan of mid-tempo Metallica stuff, so having several of those songs didn't bother me at all. In fact I think they did a good job mixing up the type of songs they put on the record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 11:48:20 AM
Dream No More is *THE* song I was hoping they'd write.


It could have used *1 more* fast song but compared to the last two albums - i'm more than happy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2017, 04:10:29 PM
Is there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 05, 2017, 06:48:22 PM
Is there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?
Not really, the band just wanted it on 2. I think James might've mentioned that more space = better sound quality, but I don't know if that's true.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
Death Magnetic should've been a 5 Disc box set!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on January 05, 2017, 09:42:06 PM
Is there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?
Not really, the band just wanted it on 2. I think James might've mentioned that more space = better sound quality, but I don't know if that's true.
It's not true. Digital music isn't affected by the amount of space. This isn't vinyl.  :lol

It's a marketing ploy. Also creates the illusion that the 8 year drought produced two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 01:26:45 AM
Is there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?
Not really, the band just wanted it on 2. I think James might've mentioned that more space = better sound quality, but I don't know if that's true.

It is on Vinyl - so why not ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on January 06, 2017, 01:47:11 AM
It's still redundant to use two CDs for the digital copy of the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2017, 06:29:56 AM
No comment on the digital (I have almost 26,000 songs on my iPod, and MAYBE 100 of them aren't on a CD somewhere in my basement) but for me, since I don't feel like I paid more for the extra CD, I think it works.  There's nothing worse than having a 78 minute CD where you feel ready for a piss break (pibroch, to our Tull fans) about 42 minutes in.   I think in large part I liked it as much as I did because I got a chance to absorb it in a way that doesn't always happen in music these days.  I contrast that with the new Marillion, which is good (well, after seeing much of it live, it's VERY good) but was a sort of slog to get through.  And honestly, if I wasn't seeing them a week after I bought it, and wanting to know the music and give it a chance, I may not have listened to it ever again.  What I did was create a playlist with the recent setlists and those songs were interspersed with others from the catalogue and it made it more digestible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 06, 2017, 07:28:24 AM
^ Good post.

The two disc thing is weird, but doesn't bother me. If Metallica wanted people to consume their music like that, that's their call.

The only way I would have an issue is if they charged more for it, but I got the 3 CD deluxe edition on Amazon (pre-order) for $9.99, so I won't complain.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 09:01:29 AM
May be wrong but *i think* there was like £1 difference between the standard and 3CD version ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on January 06, 2017, 09:29:05 AM
No comment on the digital (I have almost 26,000 songs on my iPod, and MAYBE 100 of them aren't on a CD somewhere in my basement) but for me, since I don't feel like I paid more for the extra CD, I think it works.  There's nothing worse than having a 78 minute CD where you feel ready for a piss break (pibroch, to our Tull fans) about 42 minutes in.   I think in large part I liked it as much as I did because I got a chance to absorb it in a way that doesn't always happen in music these days.  I contrast that with the new Marillion, which is good (well, after seeing much of it live, it's VERY good) but was a sort of slog to get through.  And honestly, if I wasn't seeing them a week after I bought it, and wanting to know the music and give it a chance, I may not have listened to it ever again.  What I did was create a playlist with the recent setlists and those songs were interspersed with others from the catalogue and it made it more digestible.

Good post. I love that I can pop in the first disc, LOVE it, then put in something else before grabbing the second one (which is less good IMO). While getting through one of the new Neal Morse discs is really a chore. After TA, I'm starting to be of the mindset that albums need to be under 70 minutes in order for me to have TIME to enjoy them.

Most of my music listening time is the 35 minutes it take to get to work. It's really annoying to start an album in the morning on Monday, and not finish it until Wednesday or later. This is the reason I haven't gotten through the NMB album more than once. But I can get through each one of the Metallica discs every day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
I've never once listened to The Astonishing from Track 1 to 34 in one go.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2017, 11:51:46 AM
My only issue with the 2 disc approach (and I am a digital guy so it really means nothing to me) is that disc 2 is not very good compared to disc 1.   It feels like they could have cut a couple songs of disc 2 out of the album and made one disc and had a significantly better album overall.  Throw the extra tracks cut on disc 3 (now bonus disc 2) with Lords of Summer and the live songs and I feel that would have been perfect.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2017, 12:15:58 PM
I know I'm going to sound like TAC here, but for most of my adult life, albums were 45 minutes, 50 minutes tops (Duke was a LONG album, at 55:06).   Hell, the Van Halen and Kiss albums were barely 30 minutes long EACH.   Granted, they put out albums twice a year, so the output was essentially the same, but it was refreshing.   Iron Maiden Killers, or Number of the Beast, are the PERFECT length.  11 and 8 songs respectively (in North America) and each just about 40 minutes long.   20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 06, 2017, 12:19:45 PM
I would've taken out ManUNkind and Murder One, then it could be on 1 disc. Those 2 could've been put on the bonus disc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2017, 12:33:12 PM
I would've taken out ManUNkind and Murder One, then it could be on 1 disc. Those 2 could've been put on the bonus disc.

Exactly

And Stadler, I was thinking about that the other day as well.  All my albums from the 80s are short but would come out more often.  I guess for me, I don't care as long as the music is good, but for example, Iron Maiden always had a dud or two on their albums in the 80s.  You could probably combine two of IM's 80s albums and cut out the slack and have one absolutely amazing album (same as I said before about HWTSD).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2017, 12:40:54 PM
  20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.

 :tup

Many of the albums I grew up with (a small selection pictured below - the tapes I still have left) may now be considered EPs.  :lol    I really don't appreciate all the extra subpar tracks we get these days.  Gimme 7-8 awesome tracks without the 5-6 fillers and bonus tracks any day.   Unless it's one of those JAP editions where the bonus track was usually album quality - even the best song  ::)


(https://s23.postimg.org/kk9gu1qej/tapes.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2017, 12:44:20 PM
Looking at those cassettes brings back memories of a kid.  Sadly I don't think I have a single one of my cassettes anymore from childhood.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on January 06, 2017, 12:55:30 PM
I would've taken out ManUNkind and Murder One, then it could be on 1 disc. Those 2 could've been put on the bonus disc.

I kind of really like this idea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2017, 02:48:59 PM
  20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.

 :tup

Many of the albums I grew up with (a small selection pictured below - the tapes I still have left) may now be considered EPs.  :lol    I really don't appreciate all the extra subpar tracks we get these days.  Gimme 7-8 awesome tracks without the 5-6 fillers and bonus tracks any day.   Unless it's one of those JAP editions where the bonus track was usually album quality - even the best song  ::)


(https://s23.postimg.org/kk9gu1qej/tapes.jpg)

Dude, I can't make out every one of those, but of the ones I can, I have EVERY one on vinyl, dubbed to a Memorex (or Maxell) cassette for use in the car.   Diver Down, Whitesnake '87, Rising Force...

To Cram, I'm less worried about a dud or two - that I could chalk up to personal taste - than I am just getting bored halfway through.   I sit down to Number of the Beast, and by the time I'm digging in, I'm at 22 Acacia Avenue, and I'm peaking at the conclusion of Hallowed Be Thy Name.  It's like the perfect helping. I don't need 40 more fucking minutes at that point. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2017, 02:53:54 PM
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.

Bad on side A, Ass on Side 2 ?

What a rubbish album!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2017, 08:25:36 PM

Dude, I can't make out every one of those, but of the ones I can, I have EVERY one on vinyl, dubbed to a Memorex (or Maxell) cassette for use in the car.   Diver Down, Whitesnake '87, Rising Force...


Nice work :tup  - the pic enlarges if you click on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 06, 2017, 08:43:17 PM
I know I'm going to sound like TAC here, 
:lol

You do know you're older than me, right? (Class of '86)

 

There's been a number of albums that have been released this year around 40 minutes. Been loving the Seven Sisters CD. NWOBHM style a la Def Lep's debut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on January 06, 2017, 10:01:33 PM
I can think of many bands who would benefit from going back to 40-50 minute albums. The appeal of a nice concise album has been totally lost.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on January 07, 2017, 02:36:29 AM
After listening to mostly modern prog-leaning bands for years and years, I've found it so refreshing to listen to shorter albums in other genres the last couple years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 03:06:44 AM
Yeah the new Green Day is 45 minutes almost spot on and I wish there were a couple more songs. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2017, 03:09:15 AM
I was hoping my new album would be a bit shorter (last one was 100 minutes), but seeing as my first song is 11+ minutes, I'd say that chance is screwed.

But, I do think making it a double album was smart for avoiding fatigue.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 07, 2017, 06:42:39 AM
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.

Bad on side A, Ass on Side 2 ?

What a rubbish album!

Haha, I'm glad you noticed that, because I meant it to all add up to just plain BAD ASS!   :) 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 07, 2017, 06:44:14 AM
I know I'm going to sound like TAC here, 
:lol

You do know you're older than me, right? (Class of '86)

 

There's been a number of albums that have been released this year around 40 minutes. Been loving the Seven Sisters CD. NWOBHM style a la Def Lep's debut.

Haha, yes, I know, but I'm in denial about my age.   Just busting on you.  My comment in person would have come with a friendly punch on the shoulder.  :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: King Postwhore on January 07, 2017, 06:46:15 AM
He makes the class of '86 seem like it's recent. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 09:01:57 AM
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.

Bad on side A, Ass on Side 2 ?

What a rubbish album!

Haha, I'm glad you noticed that, because I meant it to all add up to just plain BAD ASS!   :)


I'm English :biggrin: I don't say badass. I say Spiffing :hat
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
A couple of funny stats...

1. Metallica had FIVE out of the Ten best Selling Rock albums of 2016.

2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2017, 11:01:54 AM

2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin

In 2016? Or RTL's original run?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2017, 11:03:21 AM
That's impressive. Have all of those other Metallica albums been re-released yet? Or was it due to renewed interest from Hardwired?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 11:04:05 AM

2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin

In 2016? Or RTL's original run?

Just in 2016. Not sure if it was the RTL deluxe edition or both versions combined but still funny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
That's impressive. Have all of those other Metallica albums been re-released yet? Or was it due to renewed interest from Hardwired?


Kill Em All and Ride The Lightning have had deluxe Box Sets.

Master was due out in November but they decided to put out Hardwired instead and leave MOP til this spring.


Also : Hardwired was only out on November 18th but has sold 1.5m copies worldwide already...

EDIT : finally : The Black album has *NEVER* sold less than 5,000 copies each and every week since it was released. Obviously some weeks are way more but it's never sold less then 5k a week.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2017, 11:07:05 AM
That's impressive. Have all of those other Metallica albums been re-released yet? Or was it due to renewed interest from Hardwired?


Kill Em All and Ride The Lightning have had deluxe Box Sets.

Master was due out in November but they decided to put out Hardwired instead and leave MOP til this spring.

Ok. I knew KEA and RTL were out, wasn't sure on any of the later albums. Now I can resume my false hope that AJFA will be re-released remixed. :biggrin:

TBA is a fucking beast for album sales. As far as I know, it's still the highest selling album in the soundscan era. It just keeps chugging along while other '90s albums fizzled out in sales.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 11:10:17 AM
It's so random that METALLICA have the best selling album worldwide in the last 25 years.

I think it's well over 30 million in total now.

If it sells 5,000 a week minimum - that's 260,000 copies a year AT LEAST.

I've made £150 in total from all the music i've ever done :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 03:18:01 PM
Ok Here's a poll without starting a new thread.

Metallica Album Artwork

[  ] Kill Em All. Ride The Lightning. Master Of Puppets. And Justice For All. Metallica

VS

[  ]  Load. Reload. St Anger. Death Magnetic. Hardwired To Self Destruct.


I definitely prefer Load - HTSD album art. Load, St Anger and the new one are particularly striking. I'm not keen on cliched 80s "metal" artwork which is really cluttered and busy.


And Metallica is just Smell The Glove :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
That's tough. I don't really like Metallica's artwork in general.

Black Album is cool, Load/Re-Load is cool. That's about it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 03:21:52 PM
Given the title Death Magnetic - it could have been SO cheesy but the idea of a grave surrounded by magnetic fields in dirt is really clever.

St Anger really stands out on a shelf. As does the new one.

Compare the last 5 albums artwork to any Slayer album and they're horrid. Dark, miserable, busy, messy.

The artwork for Christ illusion is particularly bad. Just seems so thrown together.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 07, 2017, 03:46:23 PM

2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin

In 2016? Or RTL's original run?

Just in 2016. Not sure if it was the RTL deluxe edition or both versions combined but still funny.

A guy at work told me that Wal Mart is selling Metallica's back catalog for $5 each.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 07, 2017, 04:08:38 PM
He makes the class of '86 seem like it's recent. :lol
It's not?
 :lol

I'm sure you feel the same way, but it feels like yesterday.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 07, 2017, 04:11:34 PM
So anyway, easily, my favorite moment on Hardwired is the last 2 minutes of Halo On Fire. The "Darkness..say goodbye" part. It has such a Sabbath feel, very similar to The Straightener, which is tacked onto the end of Wheels Of Confusion.
Love it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2017, 04:13:47 PM
So anyway, easily, my favorite moment on Hardwired is the last 2 minutes of Halo On Fire. The "Darkness..say goodbye" part. It has such a Sabbath feel, very similar to The Straightener, which is tacked onto the end of Wheels Of Confusion.
Love it!

A really great moment of a really great song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 07, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
Has a Fade To Black outro vibe as well.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 07, 2017, 04:27:04 PM
I definitely prefer the first 5 album covers. They're iconic, colorful, and all around original. Plus the style and execution was outstanding - not sure if they were hand-painted, but they give the impression that they were.

The latter 5 album covers were ok - the Loads have the whole artistic statement thing going on which is cool, and they're definitely colorful and striking. I can't stand the St. Anger cover, too comic book-looking. DM had a cool concept, but poor execution - looked half-assed and too plain for me. I like HTSD, again cool concept but the white background is getting old.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 07, 2017, 04:38:54 PM
Ok Here's a poll without starting a new thread.

Metallica Album Artwork

[  ] Kill Em All. Ride The Lightning. Master Of Puppets. And Justice For All. Metallica

VS

[  ]  Load. Reload. St Anger. Death Magnetic. Hardwired To Self Destruct.


I definitely prefer Load - HTSD album art. Load, St Anger and the new one are particularly striking. I'm not keen on cliched 80s "metal" artwork which is really cluttered and busy.


And Metallica is just Smell The Glove :biggrin:

This is too hard.  Any group with Kill Em All deserves to lose, but so does any group with St. Anger.  But any group with Load and Reload deserves to win, but so does any group with AJFA and Ride The Lightning (that is a classic 80's metal cover in every way, shape and form).   I don't particularly care for Master or Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on January 07, 2017, 06:35:06 PM
I think the early group of album covers wins by a mile.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 07, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
I think the early group of album covers wins by a mile.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2017, 08:20:05 PM
I prefer album covers without cum

I think the early group of album covers wins by a mile.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on January 07, 2017, 08:59:22 PM
Master of Puppets and Death Magnetic have amazing covers.
I find all the other ones pretty meh, especially Load and Reload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on January 07, 2017, 09:40:08 PM
Metallica's post-Black Album covers are very unappealing. They're either bland (Death Magnetic) or just plain ugly (Load/Reload, Hardwired). Ironically, the coolest cover is St. Anger. I like the simple cartoony look.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on January 07, 2017, 10:37:52 PM
Definitely the first 5 covers.  Ride is my favorite.   I also like the colored blending of the faces on HW. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on January 08, 2017, 04:02:53 AM
Agree on the first five covers, Ride to Justice was an amazing trio.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 04:17:32 AM
Not sure why people say Load is an ugly cover. I guess it is if you know *what* it is...

But I find it rather striking. It looks like liquid fire..
(https://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/images/logos/load.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on January 08, 2017, 04:18:16 AM
Ironically, yes, St. Anger has the coolest album cover since the golden days, but all of the later covers are significantly less appealing to me than Ride, Master or Justice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 04:23:37 AM
I'd say Kill Em All is the worst one. Pretty juvenile. But then they were about 19 when that came out.

At least they didn't go with Metal Up Your Ass ( an album title some fans still un-ironically suggest for each successive new album...)

" Guys ! You're on your own record label now ! Nobody can tell you what to do ! It's finally time for Metal Up Your Ass!!!  :metal :metal :metal "



I highly doubt they'd have gone on to be the world's biggest rock band if they did that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on January 08, 2017, 04:25:06 AM
I'm glad their album covers do not reflect their music, cause I think almost all of them look terrible :lol Justice and Master are awesome though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 04:26:18 AM
Can you imagine how much they'd get ripped to shreds if the new album from metallica in 2016 was called

Metal in your bum.

:rollin

My God. It would be worse than Lulu & St. Anger combined ( in the eyes of detractors )







...In Other News... Marianne Faithful is 70 today. She did the "Na na na" on The Memory Remains.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on January 08, 2017, 04:47:56 AM
But I find it rather striking. It looks like liquid fire..
Liquid Fire ?


So, a McDonalds coffee ? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2017, 07:23:02 AM
Can you imagine how much they'd get ripped to shreds if the new album from metallica in 2016 was called

Metal in your bum.

:rollin

My God. It would be worse than Lulu & St. Anger combined ( in the eyes of detractors )

That's because nobody over the age of 5 has ever said "in your bum".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
I was simplifying for comedic effect and also the title Metal Up Your Ass is so much better ?

The point
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Your head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2017, 08:06:28 AM
There's a big difference between the titles of Metal In Your Bum and Metal Up Your Ass though, so your simplification made your comment a moot point imo.

And I think Metal Up Your Ass would be a badass title for an album from an older and bigger band like that. :metal Immature too, but still badass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2017, 08:09:34 AM
But are we really expecting maturity out of a band whose first single from an album they released in their 50s had the hook, "We're so fucked, shit out of luck," lyrics that sound like they were written by a 17-year old? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 09:33:32 AM
We're So Fucked. Shit Outta Luck....

> > > > > > > > > The Lyrics to The Machanix by Megadeth.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 09:36:12 AM
If current Metallica called an album METAL UP YOUR ASS i'd be so embarrassed for them and as a fan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 08, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
The cover is Load is pretty cool. The only thing that kills it for me is the Metallica logo. I very much prefer the logo of the the first records.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on January 08, 2017, 02:49:41 PM
"We're so fucked, shit out of luck," sounds like they were written by a 17-year old

:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 03:05:52 PM
The cover is Load is pretty cool. The only thing that kills it for me is the Metallica logo. I very much prefer the logo of the the first records.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1rkBWLWIAADuxN.jpg)



:hat How's This ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 08, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
That looks pretty cool.

I first saw Load at a friend's house when I was 9 and I thought it was supposed to be a lava lamp for whatever reason. My friend told me it was cum and i was like "what's cum?"  :lol     

The good old days of not having a clue
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on January 08, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
I don't really care what it is, I just find the design boring and bland. The logo is also ugly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2017, 05:06:00 PM
I love the 2016 glitchy logo.

Some Metallica fans had a hissy fit when they re-used the classic logo for Death Magnetic but they tweaked it ever so slightly

:angry: the 2nd A and the C are slightly different!!!!! :getoffmylawn:

:rollin. OMG imagine being a Green Day fan and caring that they changed the logo on every album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2017, 07:17:34 AM
Snow day Saturday so I made a nice little battlefield kill camera music video for Here Comes Revenge

https://youtu.be/oGHns9jI43o (https://youtu.be/oGHns9jI43o)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 10, 2017, 03:35:21 PM
So is that it for the making-of videos, or.....?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 10, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
So is that it for the making-of videos, or.....?

They're still coming. I expect everyone at HQ has been on their holidays.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 10, 2017, 03:51:15 PM
So is that it for the making-of videos, or.....?

They're still coming. I expect everyone at HQ has been on their holidays.

Gotcha. Thanks
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 05:41:08 AM
Metallica are playing in Seoul right now.

Set so far :

1. Hardwired
2. Atlas Rise
3. Sad But True
4. Wherever I May Roam
5. Unforgiven
6. Now That We're Dead

7. Moth Into Flame
8. Harvester Of Sorrow
9. Halo On Fire
10. The Four Horsemen
11. One
12. Master Of Puppets

13. For Whom The Bell Tolls
14. Fade To Black
15. Seek and Destroy
16. Battery
17. Nothing Else Matters
18. Enter Sandman
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 11, 2017, 06:26:45 AM
I've kind of put off seeing Metallica live, since I'm not huge into their early stuff, and not a thrash guy at all, but that setlist?  I'd go see that in a heartbeat. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 06:33:05 AM
I'm definitely buying this gig from www.livemetallica.com

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 11, 2017, 07:03:18 AM
Pretty nice setlist. Not a Harvester Of Sorrow fan, but The Four Horsemen :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 07:26:49 AM
^ Updated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on January 11, 2017, 07:42:42 AM
Pretty nice setlist. Not a Harvester Of Sorrow fan, but The Four Horsemen :metal

Blasphemy! Love me some Harvester of Sorrow, especially live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 11, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Did anyone check out this interview with producer Greg Fidelman? It's long (over an hour) but it's a great listen if you are at all interested in the recording process, gear they used, etc... in the studio for this album.

https://soundcloud.com/soundworkscollection/producer-greg-fidelman-metallicas-hardwiredto-self-destruct

Couple really interesting takeaways:

- They didn't track to a click, Lars would sometimes hear the click before they started tracking for reference or through an intro, but then they would shut it off and just go by feel.

- They used mostly the raw drum sound from the room with a small amount of samples layered on top.

- He goes into pretty good detail on the signal chain for certain drum mics, guitar signal paths, bass signal paths.

- Some of the stuff you hear on the album is one-take stuff they recorded on the floor (the drum track for Now That We're Dead).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2017, 08:23:57 AM
Nice to see they added Halo on Fire to the set, but surprised no Spit Out the Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 08:52:17 AM
Did anyone check out this interview with producer Greg Fidelman? It's long (over an hour) but it's a great listen if you are at all interested in the recording process, gear they used, etc... in the studio for this album.

https://soundcloud.com/soundworkscollection/producer-greg-fidelman-metallicas-hardwiredto-self-destruct

Couple really interesting takeaways:

- They didn't track to a click, Lars would sometimes hear the click before they started tracking for reference or through an intro, but then they would shut it off and just go by feel.

- They used mostly the raw drum sound from the room with a small amount of samples layered on top.

- He goes into pretty good detail on the signal chain for certain drum mics, guitar signal paths, bass signal paths.

- Some of the stuff you hear on the album is one-take stuff they recorded on the floor (the drum track for Now That We're Dead).

Yeah I listened to it. I think the drum track for NTWD was *augmented* using the demo drums but not replaced entirely...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 11, 2017, 09:43:25 AM
Yeah I listened to it. I think the drum track for NTWD was *augmented* using the demo drums but not replaced entirely...

Yeah that was an interesting part for sure. My understanding was that they recorded a "magical" take of the drums in the early stages, so the sound wasn't what it needed to be from a sonic perspective but the playing was second to none. So eventually, Lars circled back around to that take and basically really wanted to use it on the record. Greg essentially "sampled" some of the drum sounds he got once everything was setup properly and layered them (especially the snare) on that magic take.

Really cool insight and pretty cool idea to basically sample sounds he got later on in the process.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 10:03:39 AM
Yeah the album drums sound really natural for the most part.

Greg said that if you solo'd the drums and muted the samples - it'd not like the drums would disappear - you would notice "something" was different.


I remember reading that Pantera did a rhythm take in the middle which was "barely" audible and had loads of reverb on - but if you took it out - you'd notice "something" was missing...

I use EZDrummer on my music - and because it's all midi notes - I copy and paste the entire drum track on top on an 808 or 909. the fat kick and snappy snare gives the live drums

some punch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 11, 2017, 10:16:06 AM
Yeah the album drums sound really natural for the most part.

Greg said that if you solo'd the drums and muted the samples - it'd not like the drums would disappear - you would notice "something" was different.

Yup, good results. Drums on this album are a world better sounding than DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
I think literally everything sounds better on this album.

Rick Ruin is a fucking charlatan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 11, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
I think literally everything sounds better on this album.

Well yea, that's certainly true.

Any good live videos surface of Halo or Dead yet?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 10:28:02 AM
Nothing really good. I expect much better ones soon.

Remember when DT were on tour for ADTOE and some of the crowd videos were damn near DVD quality ? Amazing.



Cameraphones have come a long way from 16 multi coloured squares and white noise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 11, 2017, 12:27:06 PM
I think literally everything sounds better on this album.

Well yea, that's certainly true.

Any good live videos surface of Halo or Dead yet?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-performs-now-that-were-dead-and-halo-on-fire-live-for-first-time-video/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on January 11, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that they tuned it down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 03:21:11 PM
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that they tuned it down.

Nor me - since they've been playing live in Eb tuning since 1994.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on January 11, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
Just caught me offguard after listening to the studio recording so much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 11, 2017, 03:24:50 PM
Het says they record in E because it has more attack and bite but play it live in Eb so it's easier on his vocals and has more low end.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on January 11, 2017, 06:27:53 PM
No SOTB is a major fail.

The original cover for KEA was much better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 12, 2017, 03:40:05 AM
I finally bought Kill Em All Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning on CD

I shoulda waited a bit longer as Kill & Ride were both the re-mastered editions.

Master Re-Mastered is due out this year. I could have got that too. Never mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 12, 2017, 06:58:28 AM
New songs sounded pretty good in those videos. Het's voice was holding up nice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 12, 2017, 08:48:58 AM
He always sounds good at the start of a tour.

By the end there's no grit left.


But they're doing 50 shows a year nowadays and 2 or 3 days off at least between shows so we'll see.

Long gone are the days of 3 year tours playing 5 days a week.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 12, 2017, 08:53:50 AM
He always sounds good at the start of a tour.

By the end there's no grit left.


But they're doing 50 shows a year nowadays and 2 or 3 days off at least between shows so we'll see.

Long gone are the days of 3 year tours playing 5 days a week.

Yeah I saw that they said they were basically limiting themselves to 50 shows a year. That's a good thing for sure, depending on how exactly they schedule it, it could do a world of good for Het's voice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 12, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
You could see it two ways.

Playing 250 shows a year would either be awesome practice for them and by the end they'd be playing the arse out of the songs

- OR -

By the end they'd be so exhausted that they'd go back to playing really sloppy like in 2004.


Lars especially has only been improving for a long time and if limiting himself to 50 shows a year keeps that going - i'm all for it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2017, 09:44:10 AM
Yea I caught that in one of the links posted here, 50 shows seems good for Metallica.  Plus it's not like their shows are all close by on a typical tour so they do a lot of travel and time zone changes which for anyone who travels, knows how tired that makes you.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 02:42:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX9sJwYwGA

Now That We're Dead

Official Live Debut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 14, 2017, 07:38:29 AM
I finally bought Kill Em All Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning on CD

I shoulda waited a bit longer as Kill & Ride were both the re-mastered editions.

Master Re-Mastered is due out this year. I could have got that too. Never mind.

I kind of wish they wouldn't remaster MoP. It's perfect as is and once the remastered version of an album is released, it's almost impossible to find the original version. Besides, that's not the classic Metallica album that needs a remix and remaster (*cough* AJFA *cough*).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2017, 07:41:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX9sJwYwGA

Now That We're Dead

Official Live Debut.

 :metal :metal

Sadly the drums are a bit low on this mix and for a rare time, it's a song where I really like Lars' playing.  Still, I love how Metallica get's these pro shot videos of the new songs live out so quickly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2017, 07:42:22 AM

I kind of wish they wouldn't remaster MoP. It's perfect as is and once the remastered version of an album is released, it's almost impossible to find the original version. Besides, that's not the classic Metallica album that needs a remix and remaster (*cough* AJFA *cough*).

Remasters are often about milking the cash cow.  Like you said, Master of Puppets sounds great as is.  The remaster will probably make it louder and squash the dynamics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 14, 2017, 08:03:21 AM
The remaster of KEA sounds really good from what I've heard. Not much louder, but gives a boost to certain frequencies that brings out the crunch of the guitars and the clarity of the bass. I'd actually favour that over the original CD release.
The remaster of RTL is just crushing the dynamics. It doesn't sound terrible, but the original pressing sounds superior. What you'd expect from a modern remaster, unfortunately.

MOP does sound great as is, although like KEA they could potentially make it sound even a little better. I expect it will end up more like the RTL remaster though. No big loss though, the original pressing sounds good already, so I'll keep listening to that. :hat

I'm still curious to find out what they do with AJFA. It's a real opportunity to correct a major production fault and have the mix fixed, perhaps as a bonus disc to a more standard remaster for those who want to hear it unaltered. I'm getting my hopes up big time with that wish though. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 09:04:00 AM
It's Black, Load and Reload that don't need any touch ups. They're almost sonically perfect as they are.

How can you improve on The Black Album's production ?

You Can't.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 09:06:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX9sJwYwGA

Now That We're Dead

Official Live Debut.

 :metal :metal

Sadly the drums are a bit low on this mix and for a rare time, it's a song where I really like Lars' playing.  Still, I love how Metallica get's these pro shot videos of the new songs live out so quickly.


Exactly. One live video was up the very next day. It may have been Hardwired live from MN. So yeah they get em out quick. The video and audio are great for what they are ( FREE ).

So no complaints. Plus they're put out so quickly that you know all the flubs are left in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 14, 2017, 09:07:49 AM
I guarantee they'll balls up TBA. The standard approach for albums from that era is to boost the mids / cut the lows to remove that signature bassy sound, then compress. They can just re-release it as is, and call it a day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 09:09:56 AM
I might get it on Vinyl whilst I can. I've got the CD already but might be nice to hear it on Vinyl too.

I'm still waiting for my copy of Hardwired To Self Destruct on Vinyl.

I got it thru my bro coz he works for Universal and can get discount. Only trouble is - I have to wait til they have the records in stock.

He's got himself Reload too.


----------

Finally i'm pretty close to calling Hardwired To Self Destruct my 3rd favourite Metallica album after Master Of Puppets and The Black Album.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 14, 2017, 02:41:03 PM
Finally i'm pretty close to calling Hardwired To Self Destruct my 3rd favourite Metallica album after Master Of Puppets and The Black Album.

That's a bold statement - over RTL???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 02:41:35 PM
Yeah I don't like Trapped Under Ice or Escape and there's nothing on Hardwired I don't enjoy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 14, 2017, 02:44:37 PM
Yeah I don't like Trapped Under Ice or Escape and there's nothing on Hardwired I don't enjoy.

I love every song on RTL, which is why it's my favorite album of all time. I could do without Murder One and ManUNkind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on January 14, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
I'd like to send a special thanks to the juniors of the Hetfield family now that I know it's because of them there's less "-UH" on Hardwired than there was on Death Magnetic. Check it out (https://youtu.be/EppQfZP6xtA?t=547) :lol
Watching these "Making Of" videos, I got the same impression I got back when I saw the making of Death Magnetic, Greg Fidelman is the biggest ass-kissing yes-man Metallica has ever worked with. Both as engineer and as producer, which is okay cause it works for them I guess.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
Not complaining if it gets results like HTSD.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on January 14, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
Hardwired is a great record, with a whole bunch of songs that are some work away from perfection, I won't blame that "some work" not getting done on Greg Fidelman's attitude, cause Metallica certainly have become lazy song writers with age, but I think his attitude contributed to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
I think it's their most focussed album since Load at least. Definitely "Metallica".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 14, 2017, 05:46:06 PM
Anyone else think the Mercyful Fate medley on Garage Inc is one of the greatest things Metallica ever recorded?? It's perfect in every way  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 14, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
Anyone else think the Mercyful Fate medley on Garage Inc is one of the greatest things Metallica ever recorded?? It's perfect in every way  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Totally!! It flows so well and feels like their own song. Sometimes I forget it's a cover medley
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 14, 2017, 06:06:46 PM
I'll be honest, I've had a few drinks and it came on my ipod whilst I was walking home. I stand by my statement though, it's just perfect and I air guitared all the way home  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2017, 09:24:35 PM
I just had a friend share a boot from the Seattle RtL show.   It's not very good quality, but it's got a sentimental value because it was their first show here. 

The fire and energy still comes through in spite of the poor quality.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on January 14, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
I was listening to Here Comes Revenge earlier in the car, these lyrics man..

I’ve been here since dawn of time
Countless hatreds built my shrine
I was born in anger’s flame
He was Abel, I was Cain


I was listening to that and suddenly found myself remembering something MP said to JP while recording back vocals together for In The Presence of Enemies, "These are some fuckin metal lyrics man, you took your evil pills this week" :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 03:33:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGT_DUYJhUA

Halo On Fire Official Live Video from Seoul.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 03:34:36 AM
I was listening to Here Comes Revenge earlier in the car, these lyrics man..


Some good lyrics on this album on the whole. They really stepped up on this album in every dept.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 07:32:51 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPSc1OBDw14/

^ ^ Setlist for Shanghai. Interesting set. They were not allowed to play certain songs due to censorship.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on January 15, 2017, 07:58:05 AM
I found this list of songs approved for the Chinese shows:
(https://chinachristiandaily.com/data/images/full/0/43/4319.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 15, 2017, 08:08:02 AM
Are the Chinese versions of all albums just four songs long? :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 08:09:44 AM
Are the Chinese versions of all albums just four songs long? :lol

They released So What as a single in China and it was 3 minutes of silence :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 15, 2017, 09:24:51 AM
Great record. I'm surprised it's getting such great reception though because I thought everyone was waiting for another thrash metal album? Hardwired is more like the Black. album, with a couple thrashy moments here and there.

And everyone shits on DM. I realize the production sucked but THAT was a old school thrash metal album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 09:28:11 AM
The difference is that Hardwired...To Self Destruct doesn't sound totally forced whilst Death Magnetic does. The Day That Never Comes was so blatantly trying to write another "One"

or "Sanitarium".

With the new album it seems like they've just written songs and kept the best 12 - no matter what style they are.

The lovely production helps a ton too. If the new one sounded as thin and as fizzy as Death Magnetic again - i'd probably have quit being a fan.

But the album is GREAT. Really renewed my love for the band.

Halo on Fire is like a Fade to Black / Sanitarium type song without sounding like it's trying to be.

Spit Out The Bone is leagues better than My Apocalypse.



There's even touches of Load and Reload on there. I'd say almost every album is referenced sonically bar St. Anger.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 15, 2017, 10:35:34 AM
I don't know.   When Confusion first came on, the intro sounded like a blatant attempt to re-do Am I Evil.  (which I realize was a cover, but Metallica made it famous)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 10:39:11 AM
I don't know.   When Confusion first came on, the intro sounded like a blatant attempt to re-do Am I Evil.  (which I realize was a cover, but Metallica made it famous)

I feel like a lot of this album is tributes to their past and influences without blatant repetition.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 15, 2017, 10:47:06 AM
That's a very fuzzy and extremely subjective line.

The only difference I see in the approach to HW vs DM so far is the better production.   ....maybe a strong argument could be made for overall stronger material.  But I think they are very similar.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 10:51:39 AM
Better vocals w/ harmonies

Better guitar sound

Better drum sound.

Much better arrangements.

Solos mostly better. There's nothing as bad as the atonal garbage on End Of The Line. Lot more melodic on the whole.

Some of James' best lyrics since Load.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 15, 2017, 10:52:56 AM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 15, 2017, 11:01:02 AM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html

A bit of a bummer....but it gives me hope that maybe we can have a setlist with nothing from TBA someday.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
Yeah If I ever saw Metallica - i wouldn't cry if they dropped The Black Album regulars.

Instead of Sad But True - Dream No More or Devil's Dance

Instead of Nothing Else Matters - Mama Said

Instead of Enter Sandman - King Nothing or Confusion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 15, 2017, 11:06:08 AM
As much as I love TBA, I agree those could use a break. It would really shake things up!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2017, 11:06:20 AM
I saw Metallica only once and missing Nothing Else Matters was the least of my complaints (well, actually I haven't had really any).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
I wouldn't focus on albums, but the songs played from albums.

Plenty of songs from TBA that are completely ignored. I'd be cool with them dropping Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, Roam and Sandman for a while, but songs like Through the Never, Of Wolf and Man, The God that Failed and so forth would be cool additions.

Same with any other album, do a double date in a city and on the second date, drop the huge hit songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 15, 2017, 11:11:43 AM
That's my biggest problem with them, they don't switch it up with the setlists. They keep playing the same songs over and over, while a lot of the deep cuts get ignored. Now is the best time to do that, since they have a new album out. Play more new songs and bring some deep cuts to life (Fixxxer!!!)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2017, 11:12:51 AM
That's my biggest problem with them, they don't switch it up with the setlists. They keep playing the same songs over and over, while a lot of the deep cuts get ignored. Now is the best time to do that, since they have a new album out. Play more new songs and bring some deep cuts to life (Fixxxer!!!)

I agree, but they proved (with those by request shows) that the fans attending the shows really just want to hear those big songs and nothing else.

I personally say screw them, but that's probably not a smart career move.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
They never play the exact same set twice but they do have "slots" for x type of song which rotates.

Such as song 15 is always a cover and 4 is a ballady one... Song 14 is always a thrasher for instance.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2017, 05:33:48 PM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html

That's an awesome setlist. The Chinese may be up to something with censorship, force the band to play something more unique.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 15, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html

That's an awesome setlist. The Chinese may be up to something with censorship, force the band to play something more unique.

They won't let them play Master of Puppets due to the subject matter.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2017, 01:07:14 AM
Because they don't want people to hear a message about how drugs are bad and they ruin you?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 16, 2017, 02:24:38 AM
Because they don't want people to hear a message about how drugs are bad and they ruin you?  :biggrin:

They interpret it as being about government so they censor it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 16, 2017, 02:40:08 AM
I gave the album a couple good listens when it came out. Now tonight I have it on as background music while I play Warcraft. It has grown on me. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 08:04:13 AM
Halo on Fire and Now That We're Dead sounded pretty tight on those LiveMet videos!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 09:00:50 AM
Halo on Fire and Now That We're Dead sounded pretty tight on those LiveMet videos!

Haven't watched NTWD yet. I thought Kirk was excellent on Halo. What a great song. That ending :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stewie on January 16, 2017, 09:18:10 AM
I love the new album. LOVE it. I liked Death Magnetic, too. But this new one...LOVE IT.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 09:22:51 AM
Halo on Fire and Now That We're Dead sounded pretty tight on those LiveMet videos!

Haven't watched NTWD yet. I thought Kirk was excellent on Halo. What a great song. That ending :hefdaddy

Yeah Kirk sounded really good at the end of Halo, he was playing really well (by Kirk standards).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 16, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
But DM had much more so speed. It's a speed/thrash metal album, while HW is more just a traditional metal album like TBA. At least that's how I categorize it all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 09:57:56 AM
Yes it did.

For the sake of it.


Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempo

that worked for the riff.

That Was Just Your Life was so fast live that James could barely sing it.


By comparison - every song on Hardwired is as fast as it needs to be to give the riff the best feel.



https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 10:01:15 AM

https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.

Yeah that riff works so much better at that tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 10:02:09 AM

https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.

Yeah that riff works so much better at that tempo.

It dates back to the St. Anger Presidio sessions. It also shows up again in a slightly different form on Spit Out The Bone in the " The Flesh Betrays The Flesh " part.

Check it out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 16, 2017, 10:04:05 AM

It dates back to the St. Anger Presidio sessions. It also shows up again in a slightly different form on Spit Out The Bone in the " The Flesh Betrays The Flesh " part.

Check it out.

Another refreshing thing are the couple vocal harmonies that are scattered throughout. DM could have used those.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
Yes. James is great at harmonies and there's NONE on Death Magnetic. Horrible brittle production plus squashed reverb-free vocals = UGH.


I've heard vocal stems from Death Magnetic and James still has all the power and grit - but it's been robbed by the production.



EDIT : https://youtu.be/YmZ44oakyZM?t=1m27s
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on January 16, 2017, 10:51:18 AM
Hardwired is probably a better album overall but I thought DM had some better ideas/riffs on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 10:55:34 AM
I felt like on Death Magnetic they were doing an impression of a Metallica album.

On Hardwired they were a well oiled machine.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 16, 2017, 01:36:13 PM
Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempo

that worked for the riff.
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
I'm afraid I don't agree. I mean, it's fine, but it does feel a bit sluggish. I much, much prefer All Nightmare Long.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 01:45:49 PM
It only feels sluggish because you've heard the fast version.

I heard this riff in the Some Kind of Monster movie in 2003 and I loved it slow.

:)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2017, 02:02:44 PM
The thing about Metallica is that you could take any song's riff and speed it up or slow it down, and it'd still be pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on January 16, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempo

that worked for the riff.
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
I'm afraid I don't agree. I mean, it's fine, but it does feel a bit sluggish. I much, much prefer All Nightmare Long.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2017, 02:26:50 PM







:emo:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 16, 2017, 02:31:21 PM
Yeah, I understand the whole not liking the tempo to be fast for the sake of being fast, but the studio version All Nightmare Long works better and gets the adrenaline pumping which works for me, personally.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
It's all situational for me, sometimes pushing the tempo up is great, other times it needs to sit back. In this case, I agree with Kotow (and ANL is one of my favorites from DM) that riff just grooves really well at that slower tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 08:40:25 AM
It's all situational for me, sometimes pushing the tempo up is great, other times it needs to sit back. In this case, I agree with Kotow (and ANL is one of my favorites from DM) that riff just grooves really well at that slower tempo.

People on my list of enemies

125. Mikeyd23  :hug:


- - - - -

It's such a shame though. They obviously worked hard on Death Magnetic. They spent even longer writing and recording it than they did for hardwired. If only it had the same production...

They'd have more than made up for St. Anger in a big big way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 08:43:51 AM
 :lol

125?! Long list buddy!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 08:46:11 AM
Haha. I hesitated for ages typing that thinking what would be the funniest number. :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 08:49:14 AM
Nailed it!  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
So yeah Hardwired is probably my 3rd favourite Metallica album since Kill Em All is way too old and bad sounding for me . Plus James vocals are not the best.

Ride The Lightning is great but I'm not a huge fan of Escape or Trapped Under Ice.

Master Of Puppets is flawless to me. That's why it will always be #1 on my list.

And Justice For All suffers from bad sound - James grunting his way through all the songs and overly long songs. Plus I don't really like To Live Is To Die.

Metallica sounds great all around and there's no track on it I skip.

Load and Reload are both very strong in their peaks but both have very low lows. I never listen to Poor Twisted Me or Ronnie.

I do like Reload as it has a touch of experimentation on like Low Man's Lyric and Where The Wild Things Are and Carpe Diem Baby which I love.

St Anger - well. Good in small doses when you're in a shit mood. Bad sound - although mastered quite well actually. Bad vocals, drum sounds

( albeit a stellar performance from Lars - his most inventive and creative drumming on an album since AJFA. He's on fire. )

Death Magnetic - terrible audio. A partial return to form. the iTunes Remaster sounds much better but still a mid tier album for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 09:09:18 AM
Yeah I've been thinking about this lately too, and maybe it will change over time, but right now I'd put HW behind only RtL, MoP, and TBA. It's really good in my book.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 09:15:22 AM
I know a lot of people slag the 2nd disc as being slow and mediocre but I don't agree. There's nothing I skip.

Even if you add Lords Of Summer into the mix. That's 84 minutes of music with barely a weak moment.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on January 17, 2017, 09:18:30 AM
Spun this a few times over the weekend, definitely still really liking it. Sometimes a band puts out a new album and I like it at first because I'm happy to get new material, but over time the luster fades. Not the case at all here. Dream No More, Halo on Fire, and Spit Out the Bone are still definitely my top 3. Like most of the bonus material too, but James sounds terrible on Metal Militia

Also, Kotowboy, we're going to have to have a discussion about you not liking To Live is to Die. Dat middle section! All the feels.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 17, 2017, 09:43:02 AM
Yes it did.

For the sake of it.


Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempo

that worked for the riff.

That Was Just Your Life was so fast live that James could barely sing it.


By comparison - every song on Hardwired is as fast as it needs to be to give the riff the best feel.



https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s

^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.


But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 09:45:42 AM
But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.

Stylistically, HW pulls from their entire catalog, from KEA to DM. I'd say from a quality perspective, it's a return to classic Metallica, meaning it's (IMO) a higher quality record in terms of songwriting, performances, production, etc...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 09:52:06 AM
But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.

Stylistically, HW pulls from their entire catalog, from KEM to DM. I'd say from a quality perspective, it's a return to classic Metallica, meaning it's (IMO) a higher quality record in terms of songwriting, performances, production, etc...



KEA ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 09:53:22 AM
KEA ;) ;)

Hah, good catch, Fixxxed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 10:34:02 AM
I see it quite a lot actually :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 17, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
I'm what interested to hear everyone's opinion after a year of the release, cuz I still think the album has the 'new car smell' to it.
I want to place this one ahead of Kill and Justice, but part of me thinks that's wrong, cuz the first 5 albums have such a 'sacred' status to them hahaha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 17, 2017, 10:38:02 AM
For me it's ahead of KEA because of rough production and amateurish writing and lyrics. It's ahead of Justice simply because of production. The songs on Justice are incredible but I'm not a fan of the sound, therefore I don't listen to it as much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 17, 2017, 10:54:59 AM
It's in the top 5 best sounding Metallica albums for sure.

[ in no particular order ]

1. Metallica
2. Garage Inc Disc 1
3. Reload
4. Load
5. Hardwired To Self Destruct.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 18, 2017, 06:05:10 AM
Metallica just debuted Confusion in Beijing. Hoping we get that for the MetOnTour video ! :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 18, 2017, 06:30:14 AM
Metallica just debuted Confusion in Beijing. Hoping we get that for the MetOnTour video ! :)

That's the first song they played from disc two as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 18, 2017, 06:55:45 AM
Yep.

"...::) Huh. So far Metallica hasn't played anything from disc two...they must think it's as shit as we all do....oh......"

Disc two has Confusion, Here Comes Revenge, ManUNkind ( a great song ) and Spit Out The Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
Yep.

"...::) Huh. So far Metallica hasn't played anything from disc two...they must think it's as shit as we all do....oh......"

Disc two has Confusion, Here Comes Revenge, ManUNkind ( a great song ) and Spit Out The Bone.

And a top three song on the record for me, Am I Savage?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2017, 09:21:19 AM
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 18, 2017, 09:26:46 AM
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 09:28:55 AM
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.

 :lol Looking forward to seeing a video of Confusion live. Not the best overall song from the new record (IMO) but it has some fantastic riffing including that main AJFAish riff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.

I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.

 :lol Looking forward to seeing a video of Confusion live. Not the best overall song from the new record (IMO) but it has some fantastic riffing including that main AJFAish riff.

Yea totally.  You can add me to the group of people who think disc 2 is fairly weak, however, I will gladly take any live video of those songs.  I just love seeing bands play different songs.  However, if it were a show I attended, I'd be bummed if say I got ManUnkind instead of Halo on Fire or something similar, but that's bound to happen with any touring band who rotates songs in a set.

I just want them to announce a NA tour
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 11:19:10 AM
I just want them to announce a NA tour

Same here, they are doing a good job mixing up the sets so far and including a good amount of new stuff...

Here's the set from China yesterday:

Hit the Lights
Atlas, Rise!
King Nothing
The Memory Remains
(followed by Kirk's solo)
The Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Harvester of Sorrow
Confusion
(live debut; followed by Rob's solo)
Halo on Fire
Sad But True
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom the Bell Tolls
(followed by Kirk's second solo)
The Day That Never Comes
Creeping Death

Encore:
One
(with Lang Lang)
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman

I'd freaking love to see that set!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 18, 2017, 11:34:13 AM
If you can buy individual songs I might buy the first show of the tour as that sounded great and a couple of debuts...Then just get the HW songs individually.



I'm also really looking forward to the live Blu Ray of this tour. That new intro with the extended HW and video looks amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2017, 12:40:54 PM
I'm also really looking forward to the live Blu Ray of this tour. That new intro with the extended HW and video looks amazing.

Have they stated anything about making one?  I would certainly be interested.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 18, 2017, 12:44:45 PM
I would imagine so.

There were FIVE for the Death Magnetic tour :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2017, 01:38:19 PM
Mikeyd, that setlist is killer. I'm seriously thinking of seeing them if/when they hit the States.  It depends on the venue, but...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 18, 2017, 01:47:24 PM
Mikeyd, that setlist is killer. I'm seriously thinking of seeing them if/when they hit the States.  It depends on the venue, but...

For sure, if they hit up Pittsburgh I'll try my best to go.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on January 18, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
I will be at the Hong Kong tomorrow. I expect a similar setlist like their concert in Seoul, Korea. Check out that here: https://metallica.com/tour/26153

I think this is even better than the Beijing one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2017, 09:05:54 PM
Two Kirk solos, good lord.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on January 18, 2017, 09:12:02 PM
Two Kirk solos, good lord.

Yea, that struck me too. Hard. Like a fist. An angry angry fist.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 19, 2017, 09:36:09 AM
Metallica Play ONE with a Piano Player in Beijing (https://youtu.be/pZ7wdhZ4Ti8)

Interesting. I know they played with him before too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 19, 2017, 09:40:54 AM
Metallica Play ONE with a Piano Player in Beijing (https://youtu.be/pZ7wdhZ4Ti8)

Interesting. I know they played with him before too.

Eh, cool idea, but the result wasn't great. It sounded messy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on January 20, 2017, 06:47:22 PM
This has probably been mentioned in this thread, but I think Spit Out The Bone would be a perfect soundtrack for the Terminator movies.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on January 20, 2017, 06:51:38 PM
...was at the Hong Kong show last night! It was a GREAT show!  :metal

Check out the setlist here, and it is possibly the best setlist yet on this tour... https://metallica.com/tour/26169  :hefdaddy

The greedy side of me wished they would replace Confusion with Spit Out The Bone... they also didn't play Harvester Of Sorrow and Whiskey In The Jar, two other of my fav songs... hey, still, it was a GREAT show!  :hefdaddy


(https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16143306_10154975307498453_2176138133217848610_n.jpg?oh=3427f05cdd7333f1c26c7f949858a017&oe=59031BC6)


(https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16142917_10154975307593453_8499608114495341506_n.jpg?oh=473e0d86fcbf08b38410a2f36ac36f88&oe=590CC792)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2017, 08:17:53 AM
Some of their Instagram comments are all like :

" :angry: I can't believe they didn't play [song]..I didn't even go to the concert and i'm furious !!! "



And people saying their live sound is shit - when all they've heard is a YouTube upload of a cameraphone clip. . . . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2017, 08:19:03 AM
Awesome pics Azyiu!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 22, 2017, 09:43:33 AM
Some of their Instagram comments are all like :

" :angry: I can't believe they didn't play [song]..I didn't even go to the concert and i'm furious !!! "



And people saying their live sound is shit - when all they've heard is a YouTube upload of a cameraphone clip. . . . .

I've seen Metallica four times now (three if you count both performances at the Orion festival in Atlantic City as one show) and they delivered a fantastic show each time. They always play some deep cuts (I've gotten Fight Fire With Fire, Ride the Lightning, Trapped Under Ice, Escape, The Call of Ktulu, Orion, Blackened, ...And Justice For All, The Shortest Straw, Holier Than Thou, Don't Tread on Me, Through the Never, Of Wolf and Man, The God That Failed, My Friend of Misery, The Struggle Within, and To Hell and Back) and the energy level is so high throughout the whole show that whatever mistakes they make (which to be honest there's very few) are unnoticeable. They are still the best live band I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on January 22, 2017, 08:46:50 PM
Kick ass Azyiu  :metal
Today, my wife declared her favorite song from Hardwired is When a blind Man Cries :lol
For a second I didn't know whether or burst her bubble about it being a cover or not, but I did, she wasn't too surprised since most of her favorite Metallica songs are from Garage Inc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 23, 2017, 08:51:15 AM
One of the problems I have with them live is - Kirk always tries to join back with the rhythm on the very next downbeat of his solo ending and he always rushes the end of the solo

to meet up with it and it sounds jumpy.

What he should do is play over the riff for a few beats and THEN join up with it. It's live. there's not going to be a huge drop in sound if he's not playing rhythm for a bar.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 04:32:49 AM
 Confusion Live Debut Official Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLkTxmVhfA)

Not bad. I'm not sure about Rob dropping out in the riff and it sounds just a hair too slow - but still better than rushing it.

One of the advantages of them growing older is that they don't speed up like 10BPM live and Lars is more relaxed.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on January 31, 2017, 05:09:15 AM
About speeding up... I get the whole adrenaline thing, and probably at my own concerts I don't even realize how much the songs are faster, but there's a fine line between "playing a song a bit faster" and "turning it into a total mess".

Adrian Smith in Maiden was very dissatisfied about playing songs live too fast, and damn he was right, once in a while I hear from my bands live songs on YouTube and I go "geez, just slow it down".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 05:11:47 AM
Lars noticeably counts songs in a few BPM slower these days plus he doesn't rush like he used to. He's pretty solid these days. Almost back to how he was in the late 90s.

It's good to hear as he was getting pretty bad for a while there. He's doing something right. He's ben steadily improving over a number of years now.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 31, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
Confusion Live Debut Official Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLkTxmVhfA)

Not bad. I'm not sure about Rob dropping out in the riff and it sounds just a hair too slow - but still better than rushing it.

One of the advantages of them growing older is that they don't speed up like 10BPM live and Lars is more relaxed.

Sounded pretty good, the performance at least, the sound of these LiveMet videos lately has been pretty eh. If they are recording channel by channel and remixing the audio for these, someone needs fired, it should sound MUCH better. Heck, some good quality crowd recordings sound better than this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
They probably do them quickly. I have no complaints since they're FREE. If they were charging for these i'd expect better quality. But it depends how they sound on

the actual downloads that they sell of the gig. But you can sample those before you buy anyway.

I might get the first gig of the tour and a couple of other songs If they are available seperately.

www.livemetallica.com  < - - - - -
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 31, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
Oh yeah I get that they are free, all I'm saying is that dumping those channel signals from that Midas board Big Mick uses live (which costs 10s of thousands) into any DAW, you should be getting much better results.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 09:45:46 AM
https://metallica.com/videos/32262/whiplash-metontour-shanghai-china-2017

WHIPLASH !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on January 31, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
Lars noticeably counts songs in a few BPM slower these days plus he doesn't rush like he used to. He's pretty solid these days. Almost back to how he was in the late 90s.

It's good to hear as he was getting pretty bad for a while there. He's doing something right. He's ben steadily improving over a number of years now.

While Lars is a bit better overall these days, his somewhat natural lack of ability to keep steady tempo becomes glaringly obvious in a groovy song like Confusion. I was actually looking forward to hearing a live performance of that song the most, but that just doesn't cut it. Also confirms their guitars sound too thin live; Rob didn't actually skip anything.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 11:22:04 AM
Rob definitely drops out. The camera cuts to him and he stops playing on that hammer on part of the riff.


Also - as everyone on the Metallica forum says - being at a Metallica show is something else - their live vids just do not come anywhere close to how huge everything sounds in person.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 31, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
While Lars is a bit better overall these days, his somewhat natural lack of ability to keep steady tempo becomes glaringly obvious in a groovy song like Confusion. I was actually looking forward to hearing a live performance of that song the most, but that just doesn't cut it. Also confirms their guitars sound too thin live; Rob didn't actually skip anything.

Honestly, I wouldn't judge their guitar tone off these videos, like I posted above, the quality isn't good. In person, those guitars sound VERY different.

Rob definitely drops out. The camera cuts to him and he stops playing on that hammer on part of the riff.

Yeah that was weird, I wonder why he doesn't play through that, can't really tell on the album what he does since the mix is so different.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 11:25:59 AM
I doubt it but MAYBE everyone playing that semitone hammer on just sounds too muddy ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on January 31, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
Yeah that was weird, I wonder why he doesn't play through that, can't really tell on the album what he does since the mix is so different.

I really think he doesn't do anything behind those notes, the bass track is discernible enough in the mix. It would be strange if he dropped out anything at all, he has some serious chops.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2017, 11:27:18 AM
Just gonna stick the CD version on and see if he plays there.



... He doesn't.


EDIT : Another interesting thing Rob does is he only plays the Low E in the Hardwired verse. He doesn't even do the descending chromatic part or the turnaround. He just stays on E.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 31, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
Just gonna stick the CD version on and see if he plays there.

... He doesn't.


Huh, okay. Must just be the difference in the mix that makes it noticeable in the live video. The mix on the CD is much more guitar heavy with all the layers, so if the bass drops out those notes, it's not as noticeable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: emtee on February 03, 2017, 09:05:04 AM
IMO they knocked it WAY out of the park with this one. I've never been a huge follower of Metallica but this album is totally kicking
my ass. Absolutely LOVE it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 03, 2017, 02:50:43 PM
IMO they knocked it WAY out of the park with this one. I've never been a huge follower of Metallica but this album is totally kicking
my ass. Absolutely LOVE it!

Yep. It's a fantastic album. It's what I wanted Death Magnetic to be.

Plus it pretty much ticked all of my "wants" boxes :

√ Garage Inc Disc 1 Sonics
√ Vocal Harmonies
√ Improved Solos
√ Slower / Reload type songs ( Dream no More, Am I Savage )

There was something else but I can't remember now.

I love how the whole album sounds - it has a dreamy kind of feel to it. Plus at 13 songs and 84 minutes - there's almost no padding. Which is amazing. Considering they only wrote it for a year.



- - - - - - -

In Other News.

They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.

They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 03, 2017, 09:32:01 PM
In Other News.

They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.

They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.

What a shame and it sucks for everybody...  :'(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2017, 03:12:49 AM
Next show is tomorrow evening. James should rest up and drink a lot of water and tea :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on February 04, 2017, 04:49:47 AM
In Other News.

They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.

They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.
For a moment, I forgot I was in the Metallica thread. I though we were talking about James LaBrie and was like "holy shit, already?"  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2017, 06:00:18 AM
According to reports - the whole band got sick from visiting China.

If it was Axl Rose - he'd have cancelled the entire tour :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 04, 2017, 06:30:04 AM
According to reports - the whole band got sick from visiting China.

If it was Axl Rose - he'd have cancelled the entire tour :lol

I doubt that... they looked and played awesome at the Hong Kong show, which was a couple nights AFTER they played in commie China.

As for Axl Rose... well, I doubt that too... he is so short on cash these days, he wouldn't dare to even show up late!  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 04, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!

Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!

Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.

It's my third fave after Master and Metallica. I was never a huge AJFA fan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 04, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!

Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.

It's my third fave after Master and Metallica. I was never a huge AJFA fan.

It's hard to listen to (obviously), but it is a classic. Ride, Master and Metallica are permanently locked in the top spots for me
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2017, 11:21:35 AM
Ride would be my #3 is not for Escape & Trapped Under Ice as I have mentioned before...

St. Anger & Kill would be dead last.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on February 04, 2017, 03:23:40 PM
Oh shoot!  :|

We’re very disappointed to have to share with you that unfortunately as Saturday has progressed, James’ health, and specifically his throat, is not improving and he is under strict doctor’s orders to not sing one single note. So sadly we have to report that we will be postponing tomorrow’s show in Copenhagen at the Royal Arena until September 2, 2017.

Our week here in Copenhagen is something we have had circled on the calendar for a very long time as a special event not only for our friends in Denmark but also for us and we were really looking forward to celebrating the new arena with you. To those of you who were there yesterday, we appreciate you encouraging us to carry on... that meant the world to us! We all felt really bummed that we were unable to give you the maximum Metallica experience; it was one of the most challenging shows we’ve ever played, but your love and support got us through.

We know that many of you made travel plans to spend the weekend with us and we are very sorry for any inconvenience this will cause. We hope that you will be able to come back to Copenhagen in September and we’ll do our best to make it up to everyone with something unique for you at the make-up gig, along with a kick ass show of course! And to Aphyxion, the band who won your votes to be Sunday’s opening act, we hope you’re available in September.

Thank you again for all the support and care you’ve always shown us in Denmark. We will be back!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2017, 04:04:49 PM
Poor James.

Get well soon.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on February 04, 2017, 09:03:23 PM
Sucks but life happens, at least they have a make-up gig scheduled.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 07:31:27 AM
Oh man, that sucks, hopefully James recovers quick.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 06, 2017, 08:42:40 AM
What's worse...

Some guy who posted on the Metallica forum said he's booked tickets to see Metallica 3 times in the past.


And they've cancelled the gig each and every time. And Metallica NEVER cancel gigs.

What a let-down ! :(  That's gonna hurt. I hope he can make it in September. Poor guy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 06, 2017, 09:13:24 AM
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 10:36:06 AM
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/

I'm not a big fan of AS or Volbeat, I'm also not a big fan of stadium concerts, but if they come to Pittsburgh, I'm there. This album is too good to miss the supporting tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2017, 10:42:14 AM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

I am so there.  That's a massive tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 06, 2017, 10:54:14 AM
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/

I'm not a big fan of AS or Volbeat, I'm also not a big fan of stadium concerts, but if they come to Pittsburgh, I'm there. This album is too good to miss the supporting tour.

I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 06, 2017, 10:56:16 AM
saw Avenged at the Orion fest in 2012. They were awesome. I was going to go see Metallica anyways when they toured the US, but holy cow is it awesome to see a great opener on top of it.

Although, I'd rather see them play the Garden than Gillette, but it's the first time in 8 years they've toured the States, so I'll take it any way I can get it at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!

Eh, honestly I'd rather see them indoors in arenas rather than outdoor stadiums. For example, seeing concerts at PPG Paints Arena (where the Penguins play in Pittsburgh) is always a much better experience than seeing bands play Heinz Field (where the Steelers play). The sound at outdoor stadium gigs is just never as good. I get it, stadiums hold more people, more tickets sold, higher revenues, etc.. etc.. just not my personal preference.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 06, 2017, 12:05:12 PM
I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!

Eh, honestly I'd rather see them indoors in arenas rather than outdoor stadiums. For example, seeing concerts at PPG Paints Arena (where the Penguins play in Pittsburgh) is always a much better experience than seeing bands play Heinz Field (where the Steelers play). The sound at outdoor stadium gigs is just never as good. I get it, stadiums hold more people, more tickets sold, higher revenues, etc.. etc.. just not my personal preference.

Same here, I like arenas better. More intimate. But I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2017, 12:50:28 PM
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/

Damn! I was hoping for a nice summer concert here in Italy! Hope they'll pass by sometime later in the year...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!

Eh, honestly I'd rather see them indoors in arenas rather than outdoor stadiums. For example, seeing concerts at PPG Paints Arena (where the Penguins play in Pittsburgh) is always a much better experience than seeing bands play Heinz Field (where the Steelers play). The sound at outdoor stadium gigs is just never as good. I get it, stadiums hold more people, more tickets sold, higher revenues, etc.. etc.. just not my personal preference.

Same here, I like arenas better. More intimate. But I'll take what I can get.

Yea, I mean, I'd go further and would rather have a club concerts, but that's not happening.  Well at least not on my budget for seeing Metallica since they actually played Webster Hall last year
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
Yea, I mean, I'd go further and would rather have a club concerts, but that's not happening.  Well at least not on my budget for seeing Metallica since they actually played Webster Hall last year

Seeing Metallica in a club would be fantastic. But, like you said, unlikely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2017, 10:28:22 AM
I'm seeing dates on facebook, but no official announcement yet.  Saturday October 7th in NYC, but no venue listed so not sure if this is legit, but a Saturday night in NYC with Metallica and Avenged sounds like an amazing evening.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 07, 2017, 01:54:10 PM
(https://forums.metallica.com/uploads/default/optimized/3X/5/6/56cdb0fcd8978377923248405fcbdea5e9130353_1_478x500.jpg)


Tonight's set.

3 songs shorter than normal and Orion.

James not taking too many chances It looks like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 07, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Good call, that's a pretty vocal friendly set for Het. Hopefully he gets through it well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 07, 2017, 02:45:07 PM
Lady Gaga is performing with Metallica at The Grammy's next week.  Interesting.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 07, 2017, 02:49:40 PM
I hope they do something interesting.

Not just Nothing Else Matters or Sandman with Gaga trading vocals with Hetfield.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 07, 2017, 02:50:48 PM
I'm getting the impression they're not playing much off the new record, which is kinda bummer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 07, 2017, 02:54:11 PM
I'm sure they will eventually. They played like 5 or 6 songs from it earlier in the tour.

They're probably playing it safe with James not being 100%
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 07, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
I hope so. I'm seeing them twice in March when they come down to Mexico City, and I'm really hoping to hear lots of Hardwired. I know we're getting the usual Master/Sandman/NothingElseMatters/etc. drill, but I really want to hear some of the new tunes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 07, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
Look at the set from Seoul. It'll probably be close to that if they're all better by then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 07, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
HARDWIRED 
ATLAS, RISE! 
SAD BUT TRUE 
WHEREVER I MAY ROAM 
THE UNFORGIVEN 
NOW THAT WE'RE DEAD  Live Debut
MOTH INTO FLAME 
HARVESTER OF SORROW 
HALO ON FIRE  Live Debut
THE FOUR HORSEMEN 
ONE 
MASTER OF PUPPETS 
FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS 
FADE TO BLACK 
SEEK AND DESTROY 
ENCORE

BATTERY 
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS 
ENTER SANDMAN




SEOUL KOREA
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 07, 2017, 05:43:22 PM
When I see them on this tour (Chicago), I'd like to hear at least 7 tunes from Hardwired
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 02:30:58 AM
Just saw this on another forum :

" Saw people at the gig not singing along...If you don't know every single word to every song - you're not even a fan and you should not be allowed in "

:rollin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfHM781UzKc 

WHIPLASH
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 08, 2017, 07:26:12 AM
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2017, 08:03:17 AM
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.

Agreed. Also, I think there are only 5 or 6 songs I feel like I'd want to see over older stuff anyway since I've never seen them live. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 08, 2017, 08:11:38 AM
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.

Agreed. Also, I think there are only 5 or 6 songs I feel like I'd want to see over older stuff anyway since I've never seen them live.

Right, that's what's tricky about a Metallica set, there are a lot of songs that fans (casual not diehards) kinda expect to hear. Diehards might not want to, but your average concert goer is going to want to hear Seek, Hit, Creeping, Fade, Bells, Master, Battery, One, Sandman, Sad, Unforgiven, NEM, Fuel, etc... That's a bunch of set time right there.

I think they have been doing a good job so far of playing new stuff, live standards, and some other random things as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.

Agreed. Also, I think there are only 5 or 6 songs I feel like I'd want to see over older stuff anyway since I've never seen them live.

Right, that's what's tricky about a Metallica set, there are a lot of songs that fans (casual not diehards) kinda expect to hear. Diehards might not want to, but your average concert goer is going to want to hear Seek, Hit, Creeping, Fade, Bells, Master, Battery, One, Sandman, Sad, Unforgiven, NEM, Fuel, etc... That's a bunch of set time right there.

I think they have been doing a good job so far of playing new stuff, live standards, and some other random things as well.

Well for me, it isn't even about just seeing the classics. I'd love to also see some old deep cuts as well.  I'm sure there will be other opportunities to see Metallica again to catch some of the classics.  But really, for me, after the top 6 songs on HTSD, the quality goes down that I'd really rather not even see those songs vs. older staples OR older rarer live songs.  I like the one setlist from China that didn't include some of the biggest hit songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 08:37:55 AM
I've never seen Metallica live and If I ever went to a gig - I wouldn't be sad if they didn't play Sandman, One or Nothing Else Matters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 08:39:32 AM
I'm with you on Nothing Else Matters. How did that ever get into the "must play every night" echelon?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
I've posted this before but I'd rather swap the following staples for lesser played songs...

1. Enter Sandman for King Nothing

2. Nothing Else Matters for Mama Said or Hero Of The Day

3. Sad But True for Devil's Dance
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
I've posted this before but I'd rather swap the following staples for lesser played songs...

1. Enter Sandman for King Nothing

2. Nothing Else Matters for Mama Said or Hero Of The Day

3. Sad But True for Devil's Dance

There's not one song in this post that I'd care to see.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 08:45:08 AM
So you're one of those " everything after Justice is shit " guys ?


I personally think that Kill Em All is vastly over rated. It has a handful of good songs and a few lousy ones.

And a Bass solo taking up an entire slot ? Lolz.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 08, 2017, 09:14:44 AM
If you look at it through today's glasses it's easy to criticize; but 34 years ago I can see it shaping an entirely new way of thinking and playing rock music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 08, 2017, 09:26:50 AM
I personally am with you guys, I'd be okay with not seeing songs like NEM, etc... my point was most of the fans that go to arena or stadium rock shows are casuals, and they do want to hear those songs.

If I saw a Metallica show with nothing but new tunes and deep cuts, I'd be pumped.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 09:28:13 AM
So you're one of those " everything after Justice is shit " guys ?


I personally think that Kill Em All is vastly over rated. It has a handful of good songs and a few lousy ones.
Everything after Justice is not shit. TBA has aged wonderfully and there are many great tunes on it. Load has like 3 or 4 excellent songs and other than Fuel, Reload is a coaster. Same for St. Anger. Love Death Magnetic and really like Hardwired.

Kill 'Em All is not overrated. It kicked off an entire genre of music. It's certainly fair for an objective listener to like other album's songs over that one's, but KEA's impact can never be understated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 08, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
The one song they always play that I couldn't give a damn about is Seek and Destroy! I LOVE Metallica, I love Kill 'Em All and I've seen them live a few times but I just don't get the love for that song. If we're talking Kill 'Em All alone I'd rather see them play Hit the Lights, Motorbreath, Whiplash, The Four Horsemen and No Remorse over Seek and Destroy any day. I really don't see how it's become such a mainstay, there are so many other songs that I wish they'd play live. I know everyone will have that opinion on at least one of their live mainstays but still.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 10:09:47 AM
No Remorse is definitely one song they don't play enough.

It's not even that hard compared to some of their other songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 08, 2017, 02:21:02 PM
If they could get it to sound consistently good live, I would love for them to play Metal Militia more often.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on February 08, 2017, 02:26:00 PM
The one song they always play that I couldn't give a damn about is Seek and Destroy! I LOVE Metallica, I love Kill 'Em All and I've seen them live a few times but I just don't get the love for that song. If we're talking Kill 'Em All alone I'd rather see them play Hit the Lights, Motorbreath, Whiplash, The Four Horsemen and No Remorse over Seek and Destroy any day. I really don't see how it's become such a mainstay, there are so many other songs that I wish they'd play live. I know everyone will have that opinion on at least one of their live mainstays but still.

+1000. S&D is so BORING and just DRAGS. Agreed on No Remorse needing to be played more. One of their heaviest songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 08, 2017, 02:28:15 PM
The one song they always play that I couldn't give a damn about is Seek and Destroy! I LOVE Metallica, I love Kill 'Em All and I've seen them live a few times but I just don't get the love for that song. If we're talking Kill 'Em All alone I'd rather see them play Hit the Lights, Motorbreath, Whiplash, The Four Horsemen and No Remorse over Seek and Destroy any day. I really don't see how it's become such a mainstay, there are so many other songs that I wish they'd play live. I know everyone will have that opinion on at least one of their live mainstays but still.

+1000. S&D is so BORING and just DRAGS. Agreed on No Remorse needing to be played more. One of their heaviest songs.

It is boring and I just don't like it the whole 'SEARCHIIIIINNNNGGGGGG................... *SEEK AND DESTROY*' crowd sing-along part. It does nothing for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
If they could get it to sound consistently good live, I would love for them to play Metal Militia more often.

Oh hell yes!!
 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on February 08, 2017, 02:41:07 PM
I've posted this before but I'd rather swap the following staples for lesser played songs...

1. Enter Sandman for King Nothing

2. Nothing Else Matters for Mama Said or Hero Of The Day

3. Sad But True for Devil's Dance

I'd do that in a heartbeat. All of those lesser songs are amazing.

I also agree on S&D although I'm not a KEA fan at all. I think they got good with RtL and stayed good through half of Re-Load. Then shit...then shit...then marginally ok.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Spun Hardwired again the other day in the car after not listening to it for a couple of weeks.  It's a really great album.  I think it will age tremendously well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 02:43:05 PM
  I think it will age tremendously well.

It sounds amazing, and I think that always helps the aging process.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 02:51:26 PM
Hardwired ( imo ) doesn't have one shit song in 84 minutes.

Pretty amazing.

Especially since they wrote it in about half the time they wrote Death Magnetic.


I wonder if it has anything to do with James writing 90% of the music himself?

On Death Magnetic - every member contributed to every song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
Hardwired ( imo ) doesn't have one shit song in 84 minutes.

Pretty amazing.

Especially since they wrote it in about half the time they wrote Death Magnetic.


I wonder if it has anything to do with James writing 90% of the music himself?

On Death Magnetic - every member contributed to every song.

Murder One is the only average song, but decent enough not to skip.

If it doesn't have something to do with James being the main song writer, let's keep it that way I say.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2017, 03:57:21 PM
I could do without the majority of disc 2, only Am I Savage and Spit Out the Bone do much for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 03:59:53 PM
:o for a sec i thought you said Spit Out The Bone doesn't do much for you...


Seriously though - the section that starts " Stop breathing and terminate for me " is amazing along with that super melodic melody just before it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 04:02:23 PM
Seriously though - the section that starts " Stop breathing and terminate for me " is amazing along with that super melodic melody just before it.

Definitely one of my fav parts of the whole album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2017, 04:51:55 PM
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album closely followed by Atlas Rise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2017, 05:00:11 PM
Ranking you say ?

- Gold Tier -

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Halo On Fire
3. Dream No More
4. Moth Into Flame

- Silver Tier -

1. Atlas Rise
2. Confusion
3. Now That We're Dead
4. ManUnKind

- Bronze Tier -


1. Here Comes Revenge
- Lords Of Summer -
2. Hardwired
3. Am I Savage
4. Murder One


Pretty tricky. I do love Hardwired and Savage but there's no shite songs. it's just that every other track is better...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 08, 2017, 06:01:44 PM
If I saw a Metallica show with nothing but new tunes and deep cuts, I'd be pumped.

AMEN
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 06:31:57 PM
Top level;

Spit Oout the Bone
Halo on Fire
Moth Into Flame
Atlas Rise
Now That We're Dead
Am I Savage

Middle Tier;

Dream No More
Hardwired
Here Comes Revenge

Bottom Tier;

Confusion
ManUnkind
Murder One
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 08, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album closely followed by Atlas Rise.

You sir left out Moth In Flame. Those three are my absolute favs!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 07:10:45 PM
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album

I keep reading this everywhere, which only makes me not want to check out the rest of the album.  I mean, if that is the best thing on it, I can't imagine what the rest might be like. :eek :eek
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 07:15:06 PM
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album

I keep reading this everywhere, which only makes me not want to check out the rest of the album.  I mean, if that is the best thing on it, I can't imagine what the rest might be like. :eek :eek

It's a good song, but doesn't sound much like the rest of the album. Check out Halo on Fire, totally different, and what I consider to a better song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 08, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album

I keep reading this everywhere, which only makes me not want to check out the rest of the album.  I mean, if that is the best thing on it, I can't imagine what the rest might be like. :eek :eek

First of all, I mentioned 3 really good ones above.

Secondly, like others have suggested, there are a few other good songs in it too. Be open-minded, man.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 08, 2017, 07:18:00 PM
I'm with Adami. "Spit Out the Bone" has been anointed by many as the best since it's the "thrash" song, but it's not representative of most of the album. Plus "Halo on Fire" is better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 07:18:49 PM
I am always open-minded when it comes to new music, especially by bands I am already a fan of, but I think I've heard three songs from this record and none of them made any kind of dent wth me.  I am trying to remember the 3rd, but I know there was another, besides Spit Out the Bone and that silly ass song with the teenage lyrics ("we're so fucked. shit outta luck." :lol :lol).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbxH5S9_A3M

There, took out the guess work.

If you don't dig it, you don't dig it. It's all good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
I'll check it out. :coolio

Full disclosure: I liked Death Magnetic a lot when it came out, but I never listen to anything from that record anymore. I still think All Nightmare Long and The Judas Kiss are smoking tunes, but if I am in the mood for Metallica, I am going for Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets or The Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 07:26:57 PM
I'll check it out. :coolio

Full disclosure: I liked Death Magnetic a lot when it came out, but I never listen to anything from that record anymore. I still think All Nightmare Long and The Judas Kiss are smoking tunes, but if I am in the mood for Metallica, I am going for Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets or The Black Album.

I can't stand DM. At all. So when I say I love this album, it's from a guy who hasn't like a Metallica album for like 20 years. Of course, I really like Load/Re-Load, so take that for what you will.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 08, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
I am always open-minded when it comes to new music, especially by bands I am already a fan of, but I think I've heard three songs from this record and none of them made any kind of dent wth me.  I am trying to remember the 3rd, but I know there was another, besides Spit Out the Bone and that silly ass song with the teenage lyrics ("we're so fucked. shit outta luck." :lol :lol).

That lyrics came from Hardwired... Funny lyrics, but I still like that song.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 07:30:36 PM


I can't stand DM. At all. So when I say I love this album, it's from a guy who hasn't like a Metallica album for like 20 years. Of course, I really like Load/Re-Load, so take that for what you will.

I still like quite a few songs from those two albums combined, so that's cool.  I think Devil's Dance is one of their better best post-Black Album tunes, and while half of Load is shit, the other half is really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 07:33:56 PM
I stopped following Metallica after the Load/Reload era and not a fan of DM at all either, yet I really love this album.  Saying that, I think St Anger is a decent unique record too, so take out of that what you will.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 07:35:29 PM
I stopped following Metallica after the Load/Reload era and not a fan of DM at all either, yet I really love this album.  Saying that, I think St Anger is a decent unique record too, so take out of that what you will.

St. Anger has its role. It's just a very specific role. When I am really angry and unfocused, that album is helpful. I'm just rarely angry.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 08, 2017, 07:37:02 PM

I still like quite a few songs from those two albums combined, so that's cool.  I think Devil's Dance is one of their better best post-Black Album tunes, and while half of Load is shit, the other half is really good.

Nothing can be shittier than Reload. I actually wanted to give it a second chance, but fell asleep when I listened to it in its entirety recently...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 07:38:14 PM

I still like quite a few songs from those two albums combined, so that's cool.  I think Devil's Dance is one of their better best post-Black Album tunes, and while half of Load is shit, the other half is really good.

Nothing can be shittier than Reload. I actually wanted to give it a second chance, but fell asleep when I listened to it in its entirety recently...

There's at least 5 really good songs on Re-Load, but yea, it has a good amount of meh.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 07:52:07 PM
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.

Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 08:03:53 PM
I find Unforgiven II amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.

Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.

You're not going to make me listen to Reload again are you??

Someone was pimping Fixxxer a while back so I gave it a shot and, um no.
Ok, we're about to have a blizzard tomorrow. I'll try and give Reload a listen over the weekend and report back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 08:08:28 PM


You're not going to make me listen to Reload again are you??


If I had to ability to make people do things, making you listen to ReLoad would not be on my list, no.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!)  is that it sucked.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 08:41:06 PM
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!)  is that it sucked.  :lol

You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 08:44:06 PM
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!)  is that it sucked.  :lol

You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.

That's what Mama Said.


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
She also said that you were a bad seed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2017, 08:59:56 PM
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!)  is that it sucked.  :lol

You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.

That's what Mama Said.


:neverusethis:

Wrong album mate, jeez!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!)  is that it sucked.  :lol

You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.

That's what Mama Said.


:neverusethis:

Wrong album mate, jeez!

So you're saying I should reload?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Fuel is a meh song.

Halo on Fire wasn't bad, but it didn't make me want to listen again.  It sounded like the chorus was supposed to be this catchy sing-along thing, but that's not really Metallica's forte.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2017, 09:15:17 PM
Fuel is the only thing with any energy on Reload. I like it.

The coolest thing about Halo On Fire is the ending, very reminiscent of Black Sabbath's The Straightener, at the end of World Of Confusion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2017, 09:39:24 PM
Going back to Hardwired, it's true that Spit Out the Bone is the anomaly of the album, although I don't know if you'd get much enjoyment out of it if you heard all the singles and still aren't digging it. The single selection for this album was really good IMO. You had the old school thrash song (complete with juvenile lyrics) with Hardwired, a more melodic almost 90s styled tune in Moth In Flame, and then Atlas Rise which had a MOP/AJFA melodic thrash metal type feel. The album in general does a good job at capturing all Metallica eras at their best.

Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album closely followed by Atlas Rise.

You sir left out Moth In Flame. Those three are my absolute favs!!
Well we have the same top three then.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 08, 2017, 10:31:34 PM
I find Unforgiven II amazing.

One of my favourite Metallica songs from any album. Fuel too. Great bonehead rock/metal tune. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 05:41:29 AM
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.

Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.

Reloads weak songs >> Loads weak songs.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 09, 2017, 06:02:09 AM
Actually I think the bad songs on ReLoad are really BAD. Borderline unlistenable. But yeah, The Memory Remains, The Unforgiven II, Fixxxer and Low Man's Lyric are wonderful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 06:17:28 AM
" unlistenable " :lolpalm:

Attitude - great production, great playing, catchy chorus, good vocals, nice lead guitar

VS

Anything off Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music.

I know which i'd describe as *unlistenable*.

This Reload bashing is just for the sake of it.


There's *nothing* on Reload worse than Poor Twisted Me. I know thats my opinion but Load's stinkers always get overlooked exclusively because " it's not reload ". 

I'm not going to - but If I was to make a Best of Load/Reload playlist it would include about half of each album...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on February 09, 2017, 06:57:48 AM
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.

Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.

Reloads weak songs >> Loads weak songs.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on February 09, 2017, 06:58:13 AM
Fuel is a meh song.

Halo on Fire wasn't bad, but it didn't make me want to listen again.  It sounded like the chorus was supposed to be this catchy sing-along thing, but that's not really Metallica's forte.

Also agreed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 09, 2017, 07:41:17 AM
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.

Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.

Reloads weak songs >> Loads weak songs.

Agreed.

Yes
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 09, 2017, 07:42:21 AM
There's *nothing* on Reload worse than Poor Twisted Me.

Well, Bad Seed kinda lives up to the first part of its title...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 08:59:18 AM
When I'm in the right mood, both of the Loads do it for me. I easily consider both stronger than St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 09:00:38 AM
When I'm in the right mood, both of the Loads do it for me. I easily consider both stronger than St. Anger.

Oh God Yes.

Also the 10 absolute best songs from Load & Reload would be better than Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 09:02:56 AM
When I'm in the right mood, both of the Loads do it for me. I easily consider both stronger than St. Anger.

Oh God Yes.

Also the 10 absolute best songs from Load & Reload would be better than Death Magnetic.

I agree with that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 09:07:35 AM
Death Magnetic was the first time in their career where they stopped progressing and looked backwards.

Hardwired is a ton better but there's still nothing on there they've not done before.


After being a band for 35 years - Hardwired is quite an achievement. Most bands' tenth album isn't usually one of their all time best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 09, 2017, 09:13:29 AM
LOADS - CONDENSED ANTI-DM VERSION:

01 Fuel
02 The Memory Remains
03 The House Jack Built
04 The Unforgiven II
05 Ain't My Bitch
06 Bleeding Me
07 Hero of the Day
08 King Nothing
09 Until it Sleeps
10 Fixxxer


Of course we could debate forever on which songs should be worth of a top 10, but such an album would indeed be better than Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 09:14:49 AM
Pretty much. I'd include Wild Things or Carpe Diem too but :tup

I once made a playlist of all the "ballads" from the Loads. It looks quite good too :

1. Hero Of The Day
2. Until It Sleeps
3. Mama Said
4. Carpe Diem Baby
5. The Unforgiven II
6. Where The Wild Things Are
7. Low Man's Lyric
8. Fixxxer
9. Bleeding Me
10. The Outlaw Torn

68 minutes.





Also before anyone says Carpe Diem etc aren't Ballads...A Ballad literally is a story set to music. Nothing to do with tempo or guitar sound etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on February 09, 2017, 09:39:28 AM
Death Magnetic was the first time in their career where they stopped progressing and looked backwards.

IMO DM is a better album than the previous three combined.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 09:46:45 AM
It's better than Saint Anger and is more focussed than Reload but overall I'd take Reload.

I do like DM - don't get me wrong - the iTunes remaster makes it easier to enjoy.

But HTSD is the best album since " Metallica " for me.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 09, 2017, 10:36:38 AM
I prefer DM to everything post Justice including Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 11:10:31 AM
^ :o That's interesting ! Can you break down why you prefer DM to HTSD ?

I mean most people agree that Hardwired trounces Death Magnetic on nearly every level.

I'm not arguing - i'm genuinely curious.

It can't be the production. DM is thin and fuzzy and all the instruments sound bad. James vox are thin & dry and have no harmonies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 09, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
To me, I can recall virtually every song on Death Magnetic with ease and it has some parts that I liked very much.  For Hardwired, that was not the case.  It's not a bad album, per se, it's just one that I honestly can't recall any memorable parts with ease and I can't see myself revisiting too often as much as Death Magnetic.  Of course, I say that as a casual listener of Metallica and metal music, so what do I know?  ::)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on February 09, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
Tbh the only good harmony I can recall from Hardwired is on Moth. The rest of the songs feel really bland to me in the vocal department.
DM also has The Day That Never Comes, which is one of my most favourite Metallica songs ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 11:56:39 AM
To me, I can recall virtually every song on Death Magnetic with ease and it has some parts that I liked very much.  For Hardwired, that was not the case.  It's not a bad album, per se, it's just one that I honestly can't recall any memorable parts with ease and I can't see myself revisiting too often as much as Death Magnetic.  Of course, I say that as a casual listener of Metallica and metal music, so what do I know?  ::)

Opposite for me but then HTSD just came out so it's fresh in my mind.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 12:02:27 PM
Wow, it's interesting to hear other views. To me, Hardwired is way, way, more memorable than DM. Vocally and instrumentally.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 12:04:06 PM
Wow, it's interesting to hear other views. To me, Hardwired is way, way, more memorable than DM. Vocally and instrumentally.

Yep! Better vocals, riffs, guitar tone, lyrics.

I think the riffs on HTSD are way more creative.

I think Lars was over playing on Death Magnetic. On Hardwired - he sticks to what he does best - just laying back and keeping it simple and mostly tasteful.

But that't just my opinion Maaaan
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
- - - Setlist for tonight's gig in Copenhagen - - -

1. Hardwired
2. Creeping Death
3. For Whom The Bell Tolls
4. The Memory Remains
5. Welcome Home ( Sanitarium )
6. Now That We're Dead
7. Atlas, Rise!
8. The Call of Ktulu
9. One
10. Master Of Puppets
11. Fade To Black
12. Seek And Destroy
13. Blackened
14. Nothing Else Matters
15. Enter Sandman


Sticking with the truncated set and an Instrumental for now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
I'd guess Het's voice still isn't 100%.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2017, 02:04:15 PM
At least after this it's just one show on the 12th and then nothing til March 1st.

He should be able to recover by then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 09, 2017, 04:30:42 PM
^ :o That's interesting ! Can you break down why you prefer DM to HTSD ?

I mean most people agree that Hardwired trounces Death Magnetic on nearly every level.

I'm not arguing - i'm genuinely curious.

It can't be the production. DM is thin and fuzzy and all the instruments sound bad. James vox are thin & dry and have no harmonies.
Well they're definitely close. I would put them in the same tier quality wise, with DM just barely edging out Hardwired. There's a long stretch of Hardwired (starting at the end of the first disc and going through the second disc) that I just don't care for. If the album was just the first disc with Spit Out the Bone and Am I Savage (and maybe even Lords of Summer) replacing the last two songs, it would trounce DM for me. As it is, the album is a little bloated. DM is too, but I think it is slightly more consistent.

Two main problems with DM for most people seem to be production and overlong songs. Can't defend the production, it is unlistenable, although the 2016 remaster is OK. The bloated songs don't bother me too much. I am not going to argue that they are arranged well, but I am not bored by most of them.

But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 09, 2017, 07:58:52 PM
Two main problems with DM for most people seem to be production and overlong songs. Can't defend the production, it is unlistenable, although the 2016 remaster is OK. The bloated songs don't bother me too much. I am not going to argue that they are arranged well, but I am not bored by most of them.
I think that bloat is something they've had a problem with for a very long time. You could easily chop a minute or two off of a TON of their songs and they'd probably be better, in my opinion. I'm still a fan, obviously, but they have a real tendency to linger on things like long intros/outros that don't really go anywhere.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 09, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
Yea exactly. It has been there since MOP really. I expect it with Metallica at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 09, 2017, 08:19:08 PM
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.

It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 09, 2017, 08:53:03 PM


I mean most people agree that Hardwired trounces Death Magnetic on nearly every level.


Ratings I see across the 'net seem to contradict this to a large degree. 

At RYM alone, DM is at 3.01 and the new one is 3.10; that is hardly a trouncing. 

At amazon, the new one is a half a point higher.

They have the same rating at all music.com

So by 'most people,' it seems like you mean 'I.'
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 10, 2017, 01:55:52 AM
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.

It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.

Plus they say that the last two times - they always forget how excited they are to release a new album.

But I don't expect it before 2020.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 10, 2017, 06:29:42 AM
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.

It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.

I don't put a lot of weight into what Metallica says as far as timetables. Last time they were in Boston (Jan 2009), they said it wasn't going to take 4 years to come back like it did the time before (Oct 2004). 8 years later, still waiting for a show...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 10, 2017, 06:32:02 AM
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.

It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.

I don't put a lot of weight into what Metallica says as far as timetables. Last time they were in Boston (Jan 2009), they said it wasn't going to take 4 years to come back like it did the time before (Oct 2004). 8 years later, still waiting for a show...

Yeah, that kind of stuff is all just empty band pillow talk. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on February 10, 2017, 06:47:43 AM
Reasonably good interview with Het over in the "News" section at Eddie Trunk.com.  He doesn't say anything really new, but he does show yet again why he's a legend and one of the classiest men in rock. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 10, 2017, 08:07:42 AM
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.

It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.

I don't put a lot of weight into what Metallica says as far as timetables. Last time they were in Boston (Jan 2009), they said it wasn't going to take 4 years to come back like it did the time before (Oct 2004). 8 years later, still waiting for a show...

Hahaha Lars said the same thing here in Chicago.....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 10, 2017, 08:22:09 AM
Yea I'm not taking anything they say about the next album seriously until they're in the studio, and even then I'll be skeptical. Frankly I'm not even convinced that there will be another album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on February 10, 2017, 08:24:33 AM
I won't believe it until I actually have it in my hand.

The album, that is.

:zydar:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 10, 2017, 08:33:26 AM
^  :lol

I'm not sure if we will see another album from Metallica or not. I want to say yes, but I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 10, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
They've said in countless interviews since the album came out that they won't take as long and they regret the gap and they always forget how much they love releasing new albums

and that they always want to release new music...So i'm sure there will be another one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 10, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
They've said in countless interviews since the album came out that they won't take as long and they regret the gap and they always forget how much they love releasing new albums

and that they always want to release new music...So i'm sure there will be another one.

I've heard them say all that, I'm just not sure. I hope they have a couple more in them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 10, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
Unlike TOOL - they seem genuinely embarrassed that they took so long.

Het has even said in the past that he's ashamed that they've been a band for 35 years and released so little music.

I would be down with them releasing a 4 track EP every year instead of waiting 5 years for their 10 best songs.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 10, 2017, 09:50:26 AM
Unlike TOOL - they seem genuinely embarrassed that they took so long.

Het has even said in the past that he's ashamed that they've been a band for 35 years and released so little music.

I would be down with them releasing a 4 track EP every year instead of waiting 5 years for their 10 best songs.

Honestly, I think if it was only up to Het, they'd release a lot more music in the future and probably would have released a lot more music previously. He seems to be the most outspoken about the slower rate of output.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 10, 2017, 09:55:17 AM
Yea, Het isn't the dude responsible for the lack of music. Nor are Rob or Kirk.

Hm....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on February 10, 2017, 11:40:33 AM
Is it really Lars who drags his feet on getting new material released?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 10, 2017, 11:47:24 AM
Is it really Lars who drags his feet on getting new material released?

I hate to say it, because the guy is clearly 100% into Metallica and super dedicated, but yes, it seems like it takes him a long time to finish things. So he probably doesn't view it as dragging his feet, but from an outside perspective it seems like the way he processes and approaches parts of the creative process tend to slow things down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 10, 2017, 12:07:49 PM

I would be down with them releasing a 4 track EP every year instead of waiting 5 years for their 10 best songs.

I'd be against that. I'm not a fan of EP's.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 10, 2017, 12:10:33 PM
Hardwired...To Self Destruct has been a huge success. Everything they've done that isn't touring since 2008 has been a massive failure.

Hopefully that sends a very positive message. We want new music. Fuck 3D films. Fuck Festivals. Fuck collab albums....

Tour and record new music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 10, 2017, 12:25:04 PM
Hardwired...To Self Destruct has been a huge success. Everything they've done that isn't touring since 2008 has been a massive failure.

Hopefully that sends a very positive message. We want new music. Fuck 3D films. Fuck Festivals. Fuck collab albums....

Tour and record new music.

I am for that! Especially American touring!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 10, 2017, 12:26:29 PM
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 10, 2017, 12:27:40 PM
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...

Sweet!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 10, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...

Awww shit! 😀
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...

Awww shit! 😀

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Awaken on February 10, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
Reasonably good interview with Het over in the "News" section at Eddie Trunk.com.  He doesn't say anything really new, but he does show yet again why he's a legend and one of the classiest men in rock. 

Just stumbled on a Joe Rogan Experience podcast with Hetfield.  I love these, just two guys shooting the shit for a couple hours. Hetfield is pretty entertaining
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 10, 2017, 02:38:16 PM
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?

Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 10, 2017, 03:07:44 PM
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...

My body is ready

Both Iron Maiden and Metallica this summer!!! holy shit, my head is going to explode  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...

My body is ready

Both Iron Maiden and Metallica this summer!!! holy shit, my head is going to explode  :metal :metal

Hopefully Dream Theater too
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 10, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?

Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.

Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 10, 2017, 05:23:32 PM
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?

Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.

Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.

Yea, I'm with you on all the above. Cliff 'em All  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on February 10, 2017, 05:35:43 PM
Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.

That!  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2017, 06:13:42 AM
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?

Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.

Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.

Help me out.  Not shitting on your opinion, but honestly asking.  As someone who is Het's age - and by the way, I think Het IS Metallica - therefore grew up with the generation before, I get that Cliff was good, and different than the simple "root note chugging" of a lot of thrash, but I honestly do not get that statement.  He advanced the instrument, but in a world with Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, Roger Glover, and Geddy Lee, I'm just not seeing how Cliff turned the world around to THAT degree.   

If you wrote that paragraph and replaced "Cliff" with Geezer Butler, I'd see it.  Or Chris Squire.   But Cliff Burton?   Can you enlighten me on that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2017, 07:00:43 AM
I suspect the fact that Burton played the bass like a lead sometimes will be the answer, like during the intro of For Whom the Bell Tolls or parts of Orion.  You rarely hear a bass guitar used like that in music in general, much less metal, where the bass is often just rumbling all along with the drums to give that low end more aggression.

That said, he wouldn't be in my top tier of favorite bass players, but I can see why others would put him in theirs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 11, 2017, 10:10:44 AM
- - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - -

METALLICA confirm collaboration album with LADY GAGA

15 track 3 disc set titled "Me-Ga"

Out April 1st on @BlkndRecordings




yes i'm joking
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 11, 2017, 10:27:45 AM
That IS a joke right?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 11, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Which part exactly got you confused ? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 11, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
They are actually performing at the Grammy's right? I look forward to that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 11, 2017, 10:52:07 AM
They are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 03:57:46 PM
- - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - -

METALLICA confirm collaboration album with LADY GAGA

15 track 3 disc set titled "Me-Ga"

Out April 1st on @BlkndRecordings




yes i'm joking

MetalliGa
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 11, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
Yes. :p I thought so too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on February 11, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
They are actually performing at the Grammy's right? I look forward to that.

I would be if it was just them. Can you imagine them collaborating with Madonna or Whitney Houston in 1988?

But whatever, nothing will top that performance of One for their first appearance. The crowd had no idea how to react.  :lol :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 04:49:47 PM
Tour dates Monday?

A7X and Volbeat as support. I hear it's a stadium tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 11, 2017, 06:48:08 PM
They are actually performing at the Grammy's right? I look forward to that.

I would be if it was just them. Can you imagine them collaborating with Madonna or Whitney Houston in 1988?
Not a fair comparison, they were a different band then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on February 12, 2017, 05:14:46 PM
That IS a joke right?

Ever since Lulu, we can never be sure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 12, 2017, 08:41:40 PM
Watched the Grammy performance. They played Moth into Flame. Lady Gaga was pretty good, and Hetfields mic didn't work. He got pissed threw down the mic stand, then at the end tossed his guitar to his tech.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 12, 2017, 08:52:26 PM
Is there a full video anywhere? All I've found are short clips.

Edit: Found one.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HgiFW7vttA   Quality's kinda shit, sorry. Damn, though, Lady Gaga sounds awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 12, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Oh man, that sucks! That probably would have been a super cool performance (I'm a Gaga fan). So lame that the mic cut out, doubt we'll get to see that again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 12, 2017, 09:23:43 PM
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 12, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA  :lol

I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".


Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 12, 2017, 09:55:40 PM
That was really disappointing. I was looking forward to watching that all week. Even when they got his mic working, he was too low in the mix. And he was definitely pissed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 12, 2017, 10:05:47 PM
Lady Gaga killed it with Metallica. I already loved her, but between this and her stellar halftime performance, she has officially become my favorite pop artist of all time. She's the queen.

Oh, and Metallica were great as usual.

EDIT: And once again metal gets snubbed in the in memoriam. This time it's Nick Menza, the most significant drummer in Megadeth history, who gets forgotten. What does a metal artist have to do to be deemed important in the eyes of the people who make these in memoriam videos? Hell, even Muhammed Ali made it in and he wasn't even a musician.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: erwinrafael on February 12, 2017, 10:21:33 PM
Lady Gaga is a natural.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on February 12, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA  :lol

I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".


Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.

Bet you a million bucks that Lars had something to do with it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 12, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA  :lol

I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".


Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.

Bet you a million bucks that Lars had something to do with it.

lol why? It wasn't over the PA, it was the house band. Likely a result of non-metal fans making the decisions without knowing the difference between the two bands.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 12, 2017, 10:32:35 PM
So in terms of recent Metallica grammy appearances, which was better.  The one with the pianist where everyone went crazy and sloppy at the end of One or this one with Lady Gaga with Hetfield's mic not working?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 12, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
So in terms of recent Metallica grammy appearances, which was better.  The one with the pianist where everyone went crazy and sloppy at the end of One or this one with Lady Gaga with Hetfield's mic not working?

This one was miles better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on February 12, 2017, 10:59:57 PM
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA  :lol

I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".


Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.

Bet you a million bucks that Lars had something to do with it.

lol why? It wasn't over the PA, it was the house band. Likely a result of non-metal fans making the decisions without knowing the difference between the two bands.

Just a gut.   I didn't see or hear it....but I can still picture Lars passing out the sheet music to the band saying, "Trust me....he'll LOVE it!"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on February 13, 2017, 02:27:02 AM
I can't get over how powerful Lady Gaga's voice was on this performance, I was really surprised at how well her vocals harmonized with Hetfield in the chorus. That high note she hit with "high again" before the first chorus was pretty wicked.
I think I'll check out her music because of this.
This was a great performance, I wish it wasn't clouded by Hetfield's mic problems but it was and it's mostly what people are talking about.
I know this is lame to talk about, or at least I think so, but comments I've been seeing about this duet kinda irritated me, good fuckin God it's 2017 and there are still people with the teenage metal attitude of "metal musicians shouldn't mix with musicians from other genres, they're above that", I won't deny I was that guy in high school too and I thought it was an attitude confide to the late 90's/early 00's but I was wrong and a lot of people still carry it around, like they think they're elitists, you're not elitists, you're dim wits.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on February 13, 2017, 02:28:46 AM
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16708530_1448183791889316_1282802142750641844_n.jpg?oh=edaf7fd1b3fd2fe7b82cb44ca695b152&oe=59421FC8)

 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 13, 2017, 03:10:19 AM
It would have been crazy if it was just the mic not working or just master of puppets playing for megadeth, but the fact that both happened. Oh man  :lol

And to go one step crazier, Megadeth comes from all the way in the back and you can see all the empty seats in the place. Damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gpvXR3ifvo
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 13, 2017, 03:24:58 AM
Think GaGa saved their asses in that performance. James was pretty disgusted at the end.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: soupytwist on February 13, 2017, 03:27:32 AM
I like Gaga the performer.  By aside from a couple of tracks I find her music quite awful, I can't help feel she's wasting her talent with bland pop music.  Get yourself a band Gaga and make a rock album as she seems natural.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2017, 03:29:23 AM
YouTube is full with rock / metal rearrangements of her songs, and some are quite credible - check for example Bad Romance done by Halestorm, that song is born to be played that way. She should pull a reverse Lulu and have her songs actually played by a rock band, with her starring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 13, 2017, 03:29:41 AM
^^ Now THAT I would buy. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 13, 2017, 05:13:34 AM
God, that was a bit of a sham. I have no problem with Lady Gaga and think the performance could've gone really well. Shame James's mic fucked up. It all felt a little forced with Lady Gaga dressed the way she was, dancing like a stripper and crowd surfing. It did make me cringe a little.

The whole Master of Puppets playing when Megadeth collected their Grammy was even worse. The fact they played Metallica alone was a slap in the face but the rendition was an abomination!! Metal is not taken seriously as it is but this sort of thing only reinforces that mindset. Most people will have no clue who Megadeth are and probably thought that terrible version of MoP is how Megadeth sound! I would be livid were I Mustaine. No part of how metal was represented at the Grammy's made me proud to call myself a metal head. I know that isn't the point but my brother is a huge Lady Gaga fan and takes the piss out of my 'terrible' taste in music all the time. This could've been the chance to make him eat his words but alas  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 05:26:42 AM
Whatever.

Metallica will still have a hugely successful world tour and will still be a classic band in 20 years time.

Most of the artists on this years Grammys will probably be forgotten in a year or 2.


Am I right in thinking Megadeth hadn't won a Grammy before ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on February 13, 2017, 05:28:02 AM
God, that was a bit of a sham. I have no problem with Lady Gaga and think the performance could've gone really well. Shame James's mic fucked up. It all felt a little forced with Lady Gaga dressed the way she was, dancing like a stripper and crowd surfing. It did make me cringe a little.

The whole Master of Puppets playing when Megadeth collected their Grammy was even worse. The fact they played Metallica alone was a slap in the face but the rendition was an abomination!! Metal is not taken seriously as it is but this sort of thing only reinforces that mindset. Most people will have no clue who Megadeth are and probably thought that terrible version of MoP is how Megadeth sound! I would be livid were I Mustaine. No part of how metal was represented at the Grammy's made me proud to call myself a metal head. I know that isn't the point but my brother is a huge Lady Gaga fan and takes the piss out of my 'terrible' taste in music all the time. This could've been the chance to make him eat his words but alas  :lol

Don't worry too much. The abomination that calls itself the Grammys ceased being about music years ago and is totally about popularity, fashion, etc. Who gives a shit what they think about metal? As for your brother, don't waste your time.

I was kinda hoping DT would have been nominated and won for TA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 05:33:17 AM
Grammys be like

" Dream theatre ? Oh - that band that has half an hour songs ROFLMAO "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 13, 2017, 05:44:09 AM
I mean I don't particularly care, I just feel bad for the bands as they aren't really taken seriously. I know that metal is credible but it sucks that it will never be taken with any seriousness, my Dad has often said to me over the years "When are you going to grow up and stop listening to heavy metal?" There have been times though where he's come over to my place and I've been playing some progressive metal and he's been like "This is good, who's this?" I've made him eat his words at those times  :lol

It just doesn't show Metallica to be the professional musicians they are and make some people think "Maybe metal isn't the joke I thought it was."

Then again, I like it not being understood by the mainstream so maybe I should shut up  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 05:52:40 AM
I don't mind Metallica playing with Gaga as a one off novelty thing.

The BRIT awards in the UK used to pair up weird acts to do a duet at the awards show. It's fine as a one-off.

I'm not sure how Metallica could look stupid after last night based on some of the things Gaga has been seen "dressed" in...



But it seems like nowadays - if Lars has an idea - then they do it. James allegedly left the studio for a week after Lars wouldn't let James play a riff the way he wrote it.

I mean i'm not bashing Lars but it's not good to expect to get your own way all the time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 06:22:06 AM
Don't see the tour announced yet, but local NYC sports radio WFAN mentioned this morning they are giving away tickets to Metallica.  Said they are playing at Metlife Stadium and will also play the new Nassau Colliseum, which will be the only arena gig on the tour, the rest being stadiums.  Interesting if true.  I'd probably rather go to the arena show, but it's much further away for me. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 06:22:51 AM
Tour announcement is today. There's a teaser video on their homepage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on February 13, 2017, 06:35:52 AM
I like Gaga the performer.  By aside from a couple of tracks I find her music quite awful, I can't help feel she's wasting her talent with bland pop music.  Get yourself a band Gaga and make a rock album as she seems natural.

This. We have a couple of her albums and I like about 2 songs per album.

I'm more surprised at how many people actually watched the Grammy's.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on February 13, 2017, 06:44:30 AM
The duet came out a lot better than I thought. Lady Gaga killed it as always.

I like Gaga the performer.  By aside from a couple of tracks I find her music quite awful, I can't help feel she's wasting her talent with bland pop music.  Get yourself a band Gaga and make a rock album as she seems natural.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on February 13, 2017, 07:02:15 AM
Can someone explain to me why Metallica was in the Rock category and not the Metal Category? I mean they lost to the higly overrated Blackstar album by Bowie. Who wouldn't want to see Metallica vs. Megadeath? To me this proves the bias and lack of respect shown by the Grammy's towards metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 07:21:53 AM
Tour is official:

(https://ua-1.cdn-fullscreendirect.com/7549/2017_0213_7549_5708.jpeg)

I expect to be at the 5/14 show in NJ  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on February 13, 2017, 07:23:45 AM
First time they tour in the states in forever and it's a freaking stadium tour. Lame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 07:27:46 AM
It is what it is.  This allows them to play less concerts which they have said they wish to do at their older age.  It'll be my first time seeing them so I am pumped.  Same with Avenged.  Get to see both for the first time in one shot.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2017, 07:32:00 AM
Can someone explain to me why Metallica was in the Rock category and not the Metal Category? I mean they lost to the higly overrated Blackstar album by Bowie. Who wouldn't want to see Metallica vs. Megadeath? To me this proves the bias and lack of respect shown by the Grammy's towards metal.

Because Metallica are cool and accepted and somehow "mainstream" so the guys that the occasional dude remembers from Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matter can't be that stupid noisy thing called metal... they're rock.


Ok, I'm bitter and sarcastic about it but I truly believe this is why they were chosen, Metallica are famous and so are "rock", metal is that weird undeground satanic thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 13, 2017, 07:36:24 AM
June 18th. I'm there
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 13, 2017, 07:37:00 AM
Also, didnt watch the introduction but the OITNB person flubbed and didn't even mention Metallica just Lady Gaga...unprofessional of the Grammy's.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 13, 2017, 07:47:23 AM
Tour is official:

(https://ua-1.cdn-fullscreendirect.com/7549/2017_0213_7549_5708.jpeg)

I expect to be at the 5/14 show in NJ  :metal :metal :metal
I'm hoping to be there as well.  It's been a while since I've seen them live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 13, 2017, 07:52:52 AM
I'd go to Phoenix if they're playing with Gojira as they are in San Diego.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: T-ski on February 13, 2017, 07:58:42 AM
It would have been crazy if it was just the mic not working or just master of puppets playing for megadeth, but the fact that both happened. Oh man  :lol

And to go one step crazier, Megadeth comes from all the way in the back and you can see all the empty seats in the place. Damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gpvXR3ifvo

I don't think this award was presented at the main show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 08:48:42 AM
*IF* the UK Tour includes a date anywhere remotely near me ( i.e. In South Wales ) I may consider going...


But if it's just the cities London Manchester Birmingham etc - no chance.

If they announce a Millennium Stadium or Cardiff International Arena date then I'll try get a ticket I guess.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 08:50:45 AM
A lot of my friends said no to the concert, it's on Mothers day.  Why couldn't they play on Saturday...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on February 13, 2017, 08:58:56 AM
A lot of my friends said no to the concert, it's on Mothers day.  Why couldn't they play on Saturday...

ugh, that's gonna be a tough sell for me to bail on as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: soupytwist on February 13, 2017, 09:01:07 AM
*IF* the UK Tour includes a date anywhere remotely near me ( i.e. In South Wales ) I may consider going...


But if it's just the cities London Manchester Birmingham etc - no chance.

If they announce a Millennium Stadium or Cardiff International Arena date then I'll try get a ticket I guess.

Same aside from Norfolk instead of Wales.  I doubt they'll play King's Lynn :(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 09:12:24 AM
Without getting into the whole " oh boo hoo travelling to london is so difficult ::) " horse shit again...


Let's just say that yes - for me - having no transport and living an hours drive from the nearest train station and having to make multiple changes to get there

plus secure accommodation .. YES it *IS* a massive pain in the arse to get from " one side of the UK to the other ".


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
I drove 4 hours each way two weekends ago to see a concert.  If there is a will there is a way.  But Im guessing, for you, the effort is just not worth it which is fine.  Traveling and finding a spot to crash is costly.  That's not including the ticket for the event and food and whatnot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on February 13, 2017, 09:28:12 AM
I'm thinking about going up for the Boston show if they'll be running a train to/from Gillette stadium. I'm due to visit Boston for a weekend anyway and would have a couple places to potentially crash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on February 13, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
so i what is the reason for Metallica being nominated in the hard rock category instead of metal? we could have had Megadeth vs Metallica. Grammy's are stupid.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 09:33:59 AM
so i what is the reason for Metallica being nominated in the hard rock category instead of metal? we could have had Megadeth vs Metallica. Grammy's are stupid.

I think that answers it for you.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on February 13, 2017, 09:58:46 AM
so i what is the reason for Metallica being nominated in the hard rock category instead of metal?

There was no hard rock category. Hardwired was nominated in the Best Rock Song category, which spanned all subgenres.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 13, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Just to clarify on whose pairing with who regarding opening acts.

Quote
05/10 – Baltimore, Md. – M&T Bank Stadium*^
05/12 – Philadelphia, Pa. – Lincoln Financial Field*^
05/14 – East Rutherford, N.J. – MetLife Stadium*^
05/17 – Uniondale, N.Y. – New Coliseum^
05/19 – Boston, Mass. – Gillette Stadium ^
05/21 – Columbus, Ohio – Rock On The Range Festival (SOLD OUT)
06/04 – St. Louis, Mo. – Busch Stadium^
06/07 – Denver, Colo. – Sports Authority Field*^
06/11 – Houston, Texas – NRG Stadium*^
06/14 – San Antonio, Texas – Alamodome*
06/16 – Dallas, Texas – AT&T Stadium*
06/18 – Chicago, Ill. – Soldier Field*
07/05 – Orlando, Fla. – Camping World Stadium*^
07/07 – Miami, Fla. – Hard Rock Stadium*^
07/09 – Atlanta, Ga. – Suntrust Park*^
07/12 – Detroit, Mich. – Comercia Park*^
07/14 – Quebec City, Quebec- Festival D’Ete
07/16 – Toronto, Ontario – Rogers Centre*^
07/19 – Montreal, Quebec – Parc Jean-Drapeau*^
07/29 – Los Angeles, Calif. – Rose Bowl*+
08/04 – Phoenix, Ariz. – University of Phoenix Stadium*+
08/06 – San Diego, Calif. – Petco Park*+
08/09 – Seattle, Wash. – Centurylink Field*+
08/14 – Vancouver, British Columbia – BC Place*+
08/16 – Edmonton, Alberta – Commonwealth Stadium*+

*With Avenged Sevenfold
^With Volbeat
+With Gojira

https://loudwire.com/metallica-2017-north-american-tour-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat-gojira/?trackback=tsmclip

So, the Rose Bowl show has A7X and Gojira.  Interesting........, it's a pretty big venue for a stadium as well.  I'll consider it if the right price intrigues me depending on where I am at in the job front.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
Seeing a concert at the rose bowl would be amazing. Such a cool venue for football. I'll be in Pasadena in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 10:16:58 AM
I drove 4 hours each way two weekends ago to see a concert.  If there is a will there is a way.  But Im guessing, for you, the effort is just not worth it which is fine.  Traveling and finding a spot to crash is costly.  That's not including the ticket for the event and food and whatnot.

In another thread I broke down exactly what it would take to get to a London date.

It's at least 7 hours travelling each way plus seperate costs just for each leg of the journey.

Plus everything else you mentioned. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 13, 2017, 10:17:31 AM
The last dates are pretty odd...going from Quebec to California, next door to AZ, back into Cali, then up back into Canada.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 10:21:41 AM
You'd think they'd start at the bottom and work their way up. Less travel costs.

I assume they have to book the venues when there's a free slot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 13, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Yeah...but then Volbeat also are dropping from the tour. While Gojira joins.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 13, 2017, 10:40:37 AM
Sucks that A7X is not at the Foxboro, MA show. Whatever, not gonna miss Metallica either way. I just wonder what the reason is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 13, 2017, 11:37:04 AM
I was hoping that they would do an indoor arena tour. Definitely not feeling the wide open football stadium thing. I might pass on this one
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on February 13, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
I wish they were coming close to where I live. Funny when I lived in Florida we never got any bands that came to my area and now I move and they all go to Florida :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 13, 2017, 02:09:14 PM
Umm......what?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 13, 2017, 02:21:10 PM
Umm......what?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/

Humor.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 13, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
Umm......what?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/

Humor.

My God I hope so. Can't be too sure these days lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2017, 02:52:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Metallica again, especially at Busch Stadium, where they are playing at in June on this tour. but it'll probably cost an arm and a leg...and the likelihood of going deaf might be too great.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on February 13, 2017, 07:27:57 PM
GA tickets for the Texas dates range between $150 and $160, here I was thinking I was gonna go to all the Texas dates, with a 60$ to 80$ per ticket price range. Choke on a donkey dick Metallica, I'm not going to any of the shows.
Check out the "Enhanced Experience Packages", ranging from 300$ to 2,000$, but you enter the venue using a "Through The Never" gate, through my ass yeah.
Gag on it Metallica, make that donkey happy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 13, 2017, 11:46:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/RoLoadChapter/videos/1750248998334329/

Hope that link works.

Performance without mic issues.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 13, 2017, 11:58:41 PM
Can she stand still for more than 2 seconds without going into a skanky stripper routine?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
Can she stand still for more than 2 seconds without going into a skanky stripper routine?

I know right?!!? When I see a high energy metal performance, I prefer the musicians to stand still.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2017, 12:03:24 AM
Call me crazy, but I just don't associate cheap hooker dancing with thrash metal. Everything about her performance screamed poser to me. She's got a good voice, but nothing about this fitted together imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2017, 12:10:06 AM
Oh totally, but this wasn't a pure thrash metal performance. It was Metallica + Lady Gaga. They each added their own personality, and that's hers.

Just like when they played with that pianist kid. I don't associate thrash metal with a guy in a suit, but that's what he brought. So I don't see the problem.

And if I don't have a problem with it, neither can you. Kapish?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2017, 12:16:09 AM
:lol
Yeah, this one just didn't work for me, but I do like seeing one off performances of something new and different in principle. The pianist performance I enjoyed. I think my problem with this one is that it felt like she was trying too hard to fit in with them, which felt forced and fake.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2017, 12:21:55 AM
:lol
Yeah, this one just didn't work for me, but I do like seeing one off performances of something new and different in principle. The pianist performance I enjoyed. I think my problem with this one is that it felt like she was trying too hard to fit in with them, which felt forced and fake.

I can see that. I think the background....whatever they were....people were the worst part. A bunch of people who wouldn't listen to metal if you paid them pretending to be thrashing around. At least Gaga was adding something new like literally leaning on Lars, almost forcing him to stop playing....if only.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2017, 12:31:33 AM
:lol
I actually would have preferred it if the other stuff stuck to pop, and let it contrast with the metal. When they're all pretending to be metal, it comes across as almost condescending, like they're badly trying to pander to a sub-culture they don't understand.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
:lol
I actually would have preferred it if the other stuff stuck to pop, and let it contrast with the metal. When they're all pretending to be metal, it comes across as almost condescending, like they're badly trying to pander to a sub-culture they don't understand.

But........that IS what was happening. So I'd say they succeeded. :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on February 14, 2017, 02:26:37 AM
In general, perhaps, but I didn't get that impression with Lady Gaga, who I can definitely imagine enjoying a bit of metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2017, 02:31:27 AM
In general, perhaps, but I didn't get that impression with Lady Gaga, who I can definitely imagine enjoying a bit of metal.

I meant more the Grammy people who put the whole thing together.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: RoeDent on February 14, 2017, 02:55:25 AM
Umm......what?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/

Humor.

My God I hope so. Can't be too sure these days lol

Do Blabbermouth actually list themselves as a comedy "news" website, because they should. They're masters at taking what are insignificant, passing comments from musicians and blowing them up out of all proportion, making full articles out of them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 14, 2017, 03:04:59 AM
GA tickets for the Texas dates range between $150 and $160, here I was thinking I was gonna go to all the Texas dates, with a 60$ to 80$ per ticket price range. Choke on a donkey dick Metallica, I'm not going to any of the shows.
Check out the "Enhanced Experience Packages", ranging from 300$ to 2,000$, but you enter the venue using a "Through The Never" gate, through my ass yeah.
Gag on it Metallica, make that donkey happy.

Yeah, to hell with them.

 I thought I was gonna see $60, $80 and $100 prices ranges roughly, but nope.  I can't afford this, and especially not for an open air, shitty acoustics, watch em through binoculars bullshit football stadium show. 

I was looking forward to seeing them for the very first time, but it definitely aint happening.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 14, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
I'm definitely not a Lady Gaga fan.  But, she can certainly sing.  And, at the very least, she appreciates hard music.  There's video footage of her in her Led Zeppelin cover band.  With that being said, I would like to have seen this performance without the idiots "thrashing" in the background and without LG doing the cracked-out stripper moves the whole song.  Waaaaay too spastic and distracting.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 14, 2017, 07:12:10 AM
Yeah, the people in the background were overkill, almost like someone thought  "Hey, let's show people how rad and badass metal is, let's put there people doing those funny gestures!!!". A desperate attempt to drive the point home organized by people who probably aren't even metalheads, but think to have understood metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on February 14, 2017, 07:12:36 AM
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 14, 2017, 07:23:22 AM
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much

Yea, that seemed forced and was just annoying.  I'm fine with Gaga acting like a stripper though.

Also, yea the ticket prices are absurd for this tour. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2017, 08:13:27 AM
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much

Yea, that seemed forced and was just annoying.  I'm fine with Gaga acting like a stripper though.

Also, yea the ticket prices are absurd for this tour.

They are ? I won't be going then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 14, 2017, 08:16:08 AM
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much

Yea, that seemed forced and was just annoying.  I'm fine with Gaga acting like a stripper though.

Also, yea the ticket prices are absurd for this tour.

They are ? I won't be going then.

Cheapest ticket in NJ is $60 before taxes and fees.  That's likely a spot where you can hardly see anything.  The highest ticket price for GA is $160 before fees and shit.  I really want to be on the floor... but that's a bit much for a place so big.  I'm not sure I can convince my friends to pay that much either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2017, 08:17:23 AM
I'll try and get a ticket IF they play Cardiff and IF the ticket isn't ludicrously pricey.

For instance if they play The Millennium Stadium and the ticket is £50 plus fee i'll go.

I might even stay the night in a B&B or hotel so i'm not rushing back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 14, 2017, 08:47:44 AM
Tour dates are a disappointment for me personally. First off, they aren't coming within 4 hours of me, and second, stadium shows are usually sucky.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 14, 2017, 09:02:26 AM
I've only ever been to 2 stadium shows ever.

1995 REM Cardiff Arms Park. I was 15

2000 Oasis Wembley Stadium I was 20

Both were great for the atmosphere. Long day though. having to sit through support bands with an hour between each of them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on February 14, 2017, 09:07:57 AM
Floor tickets acquired for the show at Gillette Stadium :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on February 14, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
I thought Metallica's performance of "Moth Into Flame" with Lady Gaga at the Grammy's was outstanding. Sirius XM Octane just posted a link with James' vocals put back into the recording, and man, good stuff. I knew LG would do a good job -- she's a metal fan. Loves Maiden, Metallica, etc. Her voice has the right edge for metal, and the range she has, particularly at the end of the song, really shined. Good stuff.

As for the tour, Volbeat and Metallica -- saw that on the Death Magnetic tour. Really good. So far, no date by me yet (which is weird, since, Bay Area), but it'll happen.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on February 14, 2017, 11:26:01 PM
It just occurred to me that I don't think I've ever been to a "stadium" show in my entire life.     Many arenas.....many ampitheaters.....  The closest to "stadium show" I ever got was the 1988 Monsters of Rock show with Van Halen/Scorpions/Metallica/Dokken/Kingdom Come.   That was at the old Kingdome (horrible venue for sound.   It had a concrete dome, so it was like playing in a cave.   Pink Floyd played there on Momentary Lapse, and the echo effect completely ruined their surround sound show.   They vowed to never return, and they never did).    But even that MoR Summer Tour was notoriously under attended.   I think the Kingdome was only half full. 

Lots of shows at the Tacoma Dome just south.....but in spite of the dome name, it's an oversized hockey rink.   Basically, it's an arena.   

Never seen a show at Safeco Field or The Clink.    But I'm not sure I'd want to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2017, 11:34:31 PM
I've only been to one stadium show. Never again. I've avoided other shows because they were at the stadium. Stadiums are for watching a dude kick a sportball around, not for hearing music. Metallica could probably play the stadium here, but luckily on the DM tour they stuck to playing multiple shows at the arena that most bigger bands play at (which is still not great, but it's acceptable).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on February 15, 2017, 07:29:34 AM
Only stadium show I went to was Paul McCartney this past summer, and while it sucked that I was far enough away that I couldn't really make out that it was Paul McCartney specifically without the screens, the sound actually wasn't that bad (admittedly not in any way an audiophile). The crowd energy was amazing though, especially when he did some of the big Beatles stuff late in the set.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on February 15, 2017, 07:38:27 AM
My first concert was at the metrodome for Summer Sanitatrium in 2003 I believe. One Metallica looked like Ants. Two the sounds was so fucking loud my ears rang for almost a week after. I did see lots of boobies though.  ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 15, 2017, 07:39:55 AM
Oasis at Wembley Stadium was nowhere near loud. I was up in the stalls though and the old Wembley was pretty huge.

I don't see how a Stadium volume could be ear damaging with all that open space. . .

But If I did go to see Metallica in a stadium - i'd take ear plugs anyway as The Millennium Stadium in Cardiff can close it's roof.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 15, 2017, 09:04:33 AM
Ticket prices are ridiculous. Skipping this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 15, 2017, 09:05:14 AM
Ticket prices are ridiculous. Skipping this.

I haven't looked since they aren't coming near me. What are they going for?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 15, 2017, 09:07:45 AM
Cheapest are $55 before fees in Denver, then it goes all the way up to 130+. Other cities are more expensive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 15, 2017, 09:11:07 AM
The only stadium shows I've been to were when I used to have Pittsburgh Pirates season tickets, and after some of the Saturday games they'd have a short concert with a B-list band. The acoustics were always horrendous.

Actually, now that I think about it, I saw Kansas and Bad Company at a ballpark. I was close to the stage, though, so the sound was decent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 15, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
The only stadium shows I've been to were when I used to have Pittsburgh Pirates season tickets, and after some of the Saturday games they'd have a short concert with a B-list band. The acoustics were always horrendous.

Actually, now that I think about it, I saw Kansas and Bad Company at a ballpark. I was close to the stage, though, so the sound was decent.

Hah, I used to go to a bunch of those games at PNC Park too. I saw Styx and lynyrd skynyrd I think, along with a couple others.

I went to the GnR show at Heinz Field last summer and the sound was pretty much what you would expect at a 60,000+ seat stadium. It literally depended on how the wind blew.

Cheapest are $55 before fees in Denver, then it goes all the way up to 130+. Other cities are more expensive.

That sounds about what I would expect.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 15, 2017, 09:23:58 AM
Hah, I used to go to a bunch of those games at PNC Park too. I saw Styx and lynyrd skynyrd I think, along with a couple others.
That's the season I had tickets, actually. Styx had the best performance of anyone that played that season. Skynyrd just came off as old to me. They didn't have the energy. And then they just yelled something about the troops every five minutes. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 15, 2017, 10:55:06 AM
Hah, I used to go to a bunch of those games at PNC Park too. I saw Styx and lynyrd skynyrd I think, along with a couple others.
That's the season I had tickets, actually. Styx had the best performance of anyone that played that season. Skynyrd just came off as old to me. They didn't have the energy. And then they just yelled something about the troops every five minutes. :lol

 :lol

Yeah I remember really, really enjoying the Styx show for sure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: XB0BX on February 15, 2017, 07:36:18 PM
Anyone else splurging for one of the enhanced experiences?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: soupytwist on February 16, 2017, 05:08:21 AM
I've only ever been to 2 stadium shows ever.

1995 REM Cardiff Arms Park. I was 15

2000 Oasis Wembley Stadium I was 20

Both were great for the atmosphere. Long day though. having to sit through support bands with an hour between each of them.

I was there too.  I remember The Cranberries being utter shite  :D 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 05:20:46 AM
Oh really ? I thought Del Amitri were a bit pap.. I vaguely recall the singer nearly falling off the stage.

And Michael Stipe throwing a glowstick into the crowd and saying " don't eat it ".

I don't remember Belly's set at all.

I was 15 though :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 05:22:18 AM
ALSO

On another forum

" If you can't afford $160 to go and see fucking METALLICA then you don't deserve to be a fan "

:rollin

These kind of fanboy sheep are hilarious. Like Metallica can do no wrong. Every single album is a 10/10 including St Anger " because it's fuckin METALLICA "

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on February 16, 2017, 06:07:56 AM
Already decided I'm skipping. It'll be over $350 for my wife and I to go, plus parking/refreshments. Not worth $500 to see them in a stadium and still be so far away.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Yeah it's a slim possibility for me too.

I mean I could make the effort and I can definitely afford it but I don't want half the day to be travelling.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 07:19:07 AM
ALSO

On another forum

" If you can't afford $160 to go and see fucking METALLICA then you don't deserve to be a fan "

:rollin

These kind of fanboy sheep are hilarious. Like Metallica can do no wrong. Every single album is a 10/10 including St Anger " because it's fuckin METALLICA "

That's ridiculous obviously
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 08:19:08 AM
Yeah it's like saying When Dream And Day Unite is every bit as good as Scenes From A Memory because they're both Dream Theater.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 08:25:35 AM
Got two awesome seats on the livenation presale (SHOWTIME if anyone needs it).  Dead center in the middle tier of seats.  $333 for two after taxes.  Expensive, but I think my seats will be sick so not going to complain about the price for seeing both Avenged and Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on February 16, 2017, 09:17:28 AM
Already decided I'm skipping. It'll be over $350 for my wife and I to go, plus parking/refreshments. Not worth $500 to see them in a stadium and still be so far away.

same.  Plus the acoustics at AT&T Stadium are horrendous and we are already seeing Maiden that same week  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2017, 10:24:31 AM
Well, it seems they're gonna be staged in the middle of the stadium like they usually do.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 10:53:49 AM
Well, it seems they're gonna be staged in the middle of the stadium like they usually do.

In the round?  Not at Metlife stadium.  The stage is on one end. However, the show in Long Island in the arena is in the round. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on February 16, 2017, 11:30:07 AM
Wait... it's not all stadium shows?  There are arena shows on this run?

Why am I so out of the flippin' loop!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 11:33:15 AM
Wait... it's not all stadium shows?  There are arena shows on this run?

Why am I so out of the flippin' loop!

I could be wrong, but they are part of the shows that are opening up the new Nassau Colliseum in Long Island NY.  I think that may be the only arena show and it's not with Avenged.  Def Leppard is also playing a show for the opening of that arena too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 16, 2017, 11:53:53 AM
Yeah, I'll likely be passing on the US tour. After the Mexico City shows seeing them at Jerry World at $200/pop would only serve to piss me off. About the only good thing is that, unlike past Summer Sanitarium tours, this one will be air conditioned.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 16, 2017, 12:28:10 PM
I went for the GA tix in Chicago. Prices are appalling, yes, but they're my favorite band and I haven't seen em in 8 years. So I was willing to take anything I can get.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 12:40:58 PM
I went for the GA tix in Chicago. Prices are appalling, yes, but they're my favorite band and I haven't seen em in 8 years. So I was willing to take anything I can get.

Yea, having never seen them nor Avenged, the price is something I can swallow for the experience.  Metallica is actually the band I've like the longest and haven't seen live yet so it'll be nice to check that off my list.

And honestly, it's not like Metallica concerts are going to get much cheaper in the future, maybe they play an arena instead of stadium, but the price will be similar still.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2017, 01:24:27 PM
Home crap...$2,000 to take a pic with the band and meet them before the show is just insane.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 16, 2017, 01:26:14 PM
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.

Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 01:28:23 PM
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.

Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.

Not just Metallica, Avenged too.  There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers.  I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 16, 2017, 01:29:40 PM
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.

Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.

Not just Metallica, Avenged too.  There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers.  I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.

That's unfortunate. I remember watching the Bing and Purge dvd's and man, it's just so simple and so amazing. Just a band playing on a cool unique stage bringing tons of energy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.

Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.

I feel it's all Lars that decides these choices. I bet the other guys didn't really want to play the Grammy's. I mean he attended an event which he then met Lady Gaga...

I understand Metallica is big, but in no way will I pay these prices to see them...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.

Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.

Not just Metallica, Avenged too.  There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers.  I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.

That's unfortunate. I remember watching the Bing and Purge dvd's and man, it's just so simple and so amazing. Just a band playing on a cool unique stage bringing tons of energy.

Well, if they are playing huge stadiums, they kind of need to do more than just play on a stage.  No one can see them  :lol Although I'd love a stripped down heavy metal show, it's just not the reality of the band or most of these big bands anymore. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.

Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.

Not just Metallica, Avenged too.  There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers.  I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.

That's unfortunate. I remember watching the Bing and Purge dvd's and man, it's just so simple and so amazing. Just a band playing on a cool unique stage bringing tons of energy.

Well, if they are playing huge stadiums, they kind of need to do more than just play on a stage.  No one can see them  :lol Although I'd love a stripped down heavy metal show, it's just not the reality of the band or most of these big bands anymore.

It was great Seeing Mastodon on the Uproar tour, they just had a sheet of The Hunter and their simple amps set up. Then after you got Amon Amarth with their big ass ship. Sadly, Mastodon didn't get much response, but Amon Amarth opened with a big boom and smoke and all that.

Which brings me to say, I wish bands would do the simple setup.

Why is it OK for Ax7 to do Cirque De Solie but not Queensryche?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 02:10:58 PM


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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 16, 2017, 02:26:31 PM
Metallica's stage shows don't change much. The end-stage now has a much bigger screen behind them, but otherwise it's actually far more sparse than what they were using in 03. I'm pretty sure their round stage for DM was the same they were using back in the Load days, as seen in Cunning Stunts. Ticket prices increase because people will pay it and because they spend money like you wouldn't believe. Their tours "hemorrhage" money.

The only way I could see the VIP packages being worth while are for festival shows, like the older Summer Sanitarium tours. If there are five or six bands access to The Rubber Room is invaluable so you can sit them out in comfort. In this case, if you don't want to see the opener you can just get there late.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 02:33:25 PM
Their tours can't be that bad since World Magnetic was the 18th highest grossing tour of all time in 2010.

It's dropped out of the top 20 now though but still...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2017, 02:50:24 PM
Their tours can't be that bad since World Magnetic was the 18th highest grossing tour of all time in 2010.

It's dropped out of the top 20 now though but still...

Well, duh. If they're charging those prices and people just "take my money" attitude. Of course they're gonna be the highest grossing tour. Doesn't mean it's good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 02:51:45 PM
Didn't say anything about good.

Barto said their tours haemorrhage money.

Which doesn't line up with being the 18th highest grossing tour of all time.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 16, 2017, 03:13:39 PM
Didn't say anything about good.

Barto said their tours haemorrhage money.

Which doesn't line up with being the 18th highest grossing tour of all time.


Well you haven't looked at their expenses.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 16, 2017, 03:45:40 PM
Right. That's the difference between gross and net.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
U2's 360 Tour is the highest grossing tour of all time at $750m.

Hard to believe that a gross of $750,000,000 doesn't turn some kind of profit !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 16, 2017, 07:19:26 PM
I put the blame solely on the stadiums for high prices. Chicago Bears suck ass, but tickets are still way too expensive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 17, 2017, 12:01:13 AM
Got my tickets for the MetLife show. Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2017, 06:49:47 AM
Got my tickets for the MetLife show. Can't wait!

 :metal :metal :metal

I'm pumped, I'm in section 225A which is dead center both vertically and horizontally.  I'm going to try to remember to check ticketmaster again today for the general sale to see if I can snatch a GA seat for the Colliseum show.  It's not convineint for me, but if I get the ticket I can decide if I want to go or not, I'm sure I can sell if I don't think it makes sense to go, but that expereince in an Arena after talking about it here has made me want to see if I can make it work to be there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 17, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
U2's 360 Tour is the highest grossing tour of all time at $750m.

Hard to believe that a gross of $750,000,000 doesn't turn some kind of profit !
I'm sure it did turn a profit. Very likely a huge profit and the same with Metallica. Not sure what the point is here. Maybe the tour turned a half-billion dollar profit. And if Bono has to have fresh squeezed virgin's blood flown in from Scandinavia to bathe in each morning, maybe it only turns $496,000,000 profit. Still a pretty good profit despite squandering money foolishly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 17, 2017, 08:44:05 AM
I'm curious how much it costs Metallica to lug around a physical therapist and a nutritionist everywhere they go, but that's probably the least of their financial worries.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: goo-goo on February 18, 2017, 09:31:31 PM
I'm curious how much it costs Metallica to lug around a physical therapist and a nutritionist everywhere they go, but that's probably the least of their financial worries.

DT used to have a chef and a masseuse during the later MP days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2017, 04:43:43 AM
I'm curious how much it costs Metallica to lug around a physical therapist and a nutritionist everywhere they go, but that's probably the least of their financial worries.

Two extra seats on the plane... Hmm I just had a thought though... Do the entire crew stay in hotel rooms ? That can't be cheap.

150 hotel rooms for every tour date.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2017, 04:50:03 AM
Don't a lot of the crew bunk up on tour buses or something?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on February 19, 2017, 06:26:09 AM
Don't a lot of the crew bunk up on tour buses or something?

Most of the crew does. I can't speak for Metallica but I worked at a Basketball arena that doubled up as a concert venue for three years. A lot of bigger acts would have chef's, masseuse, manager on a separate, nicer bus.

There were also instances where things would be put in the rider and the promotions and arena staff would work to get what the bad wanted.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 19, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
Got my GA ticket for Arlington. Can't wait.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 20, 2017, 07:38:28 AM
Grabbed tix for Philly on May 12th.  I think we're in the final row of the stadium but we're in there.  Plus, we're meeting up with some friends of mine from college that I haven't seen in probably 10 years.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 20, 2017, 05:49:22 PM
As much as I want tickets to see Metallica, I think the only big show I am going to go see this year is going to be Roger Waters at the Staples Center.

The sound will probably be better anyways. lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 20, 2017, 06:26:16 PM
I'll check stubhub a couple days before the show. If there is anything even the slightest bit reasonable, then I will try and go and consider myself lucky. The tickets prices as they are right now are absolutely not happening
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: soupytwist on February 21, 2017, 01:18:29 AM
U2's 360 Tour is the highest grossing tour of all time at $750m.

Hard to believe that a gross of $750,000,000 doesn't turn some kind of profit !

It's U2 they need a lot of money to pay all those session players playing the real music under the stage..... ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 21, 2017, 11:23:21 AM
I'll check stubhub a couple days before the show. If there is anything even the slightest bit reasonable, then I will try and go and consider myself lucky. The tickets prices as they are right now are absolutely not happening
The Phili show looks to be selling for shit and there are a whole lot of uppers available on Stubhub, so you might do alright there. You won't get good seats but get-ins might well run under face value.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 21, 2017, 11:26:00 AM
I'll be curious to see how these shows sell. If they sell them out, good for them. I'm thinking this tour would probably be better suited for arenas not stadiums, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on February 21, 2017, 11:31:45 AM
Last time they came to Omaha they couldn't even sell out our modest Arena.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 11:33:23 AM
I'll check stubhub a couple days before the show. If there is anything even the slightest bit reasonable, then I will try and go and consider myself lucky. The tickets prices as they are right now are absolutely not happening
The Phili show looks to be selling for shit and there are a whole lot of uppers available on Stubhub, so you might do alright there. You won't get good seats but get-ins might well run under face value.

I think they fucked the pricing in some of the uppers.  I was looking at the one arena show and the uppers were the same price as the floor, in the corner of the arena.  Made no sense.  The cheap tickets were sold, but you could still find an expensive upper ticket.  I don't know why someone would pay 160 for a top of the rafters in the corner seat.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 21, 2017, 12:10:23 PM
I'll be curious to see how these shows sell. If they sell them out, good for them. I'm thinking this tour would probably be better suited for arenas not stadiums, but maybe I'm wrong.
The new album is well liked and, more importantly, the tour's getting a ton of promo. I think they'll sell out plenty of them and come close in most others. Since they're playing end-stage rather than in the round they only get about half the stadium capacity at these gigs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 21, 2017, 12:26:17 PM
I'll be curious to see how these shows sell. If they sell them out, good for them. I'm thinking this tour would probably be better suited for arenas not stadiums, but maybe I'm wrong.
The new album is well liked and, more importantly, the tour's getting a ton of promo. I think they'll sell out plenty of them and come close in most others. Since they're playing end-stage rather than in the round they only get about half the stadium capacity at these gigs.

Ah, I missed that part. I foolishly assumed they were playing in the round like they just did in Denmark.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on February 21, 2017, 02:17:19 PM
So I saw somewhere on FB (some metal news site, not sure which one) that James pretty much shot down any idea of remixing AJFA, saying (paraphrasing here) - each record is a snapshot of history, and they don't want to erase history. I replied with something along these lines:

Not sure why Metallica and its fans can't have both. Next year is the 30th anniversary of And Justice for All. A landmark record for Metallica and loved by millions. For years, the biggest complaint was that they did Jason wrong by lowering his incredible playing so much that you can't hear it.

Why wouldn't you rectify it by issuing a 3CD anniversary edition of AJFA, with disc one being the original album, remastered; disc 2 being a 2018 remix of the album that brings the bass up, and showcases the incredible work of Jason; and disc 3 being a mix of demos, live versions from that eras, and if they exist, alternate takes?

They've done similar releases for the earlier albums. Why not with Justice?

I just hate that mentality by James. I get it -- erasing history is a big no-no. But it's not like you can only have one or the other. No erasing is necessary. Just add to the collective that is Metallica, and right a wrong that people have known about for 30 years. The beauty of being as successful as they are, is that you have the opportunity to do anything you want. No one would want to erase history. But making it a special bonus disc, as a part of a package? It's a no-brainer. They own all their recordings. No label will get paid. Just them. If there was any time to do something like this, it's now, when they are at another commercial peak. Just such a dick move not to do this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2017, 02:19:49 PM
They might do it on the hush-hush like with the Death Magnetic remaster on iTunes.

They didn't announce that it was cleaner - they just put it up there for people to find.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 21, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.
So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 21, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
So I saw somewhere on FB (some metal news site, not sure which one) that James pretty much shot down any idea of remixing AJFA, saying (paraphrasing here) - each record is a snapshot of history, and they don't want to erase history. I replied with something along these lines:

Not sure why Metallica and its fans can't have both. Next year is the 30th anniversary of And Justice for All. A landmark record for Metallica and loved by millions. For years, the biggest complaint was that they did Jason wrong by lowering his incredible playing so much that you can't hear it.

Why wouldn't you rectify it by issuing a 3CD anniversary edition of AJFA, with disc one being the original album, remastered; disc 2 being a 2018 remix of the album that brings the bass up, and showcases the incredible work of Jason; and disc 3 being a mix of demos, live versions from that eras, and if they exist, alternate takes?

They've done similar releases for the earlier albums. Why not with Justice?

I just hate that mentality by James. I get it -- erasing history is a big no-no. But it's not like you can only have one or the other. No erasing is necessary. Just add to the collective that is Metallica, and right a wrong that people have known about for 30 years. The beauty of being as successful as they are, is that you have the opportunity to do anything you want. No one would want to erase history. But making it a special bonus disc, as a part of a package? It's a no-brainer. They own all their recordings. No label will get paid. Just them. If there was any time to do something like this, it's now, when they are at another commercial peak. Just such a dick move not to do this.

I actually don't think Metallica has ever re-mixed anything. They have started releasing re-mastered versions of the early records, but not re-mixes.

Anyway - I'm totally fine with them not re-mixing their old albums, I'd rather them just stand as is. It's not really a common thing to re-mix records years later, so I'm not sure why there would be an expectation of any sort to do so.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 02:38:48 PM
Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.
So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.

https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search (https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search)

It's a one off show from the stadiums.  It looks like its in the round from the seating picture.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2017, 02:41:31 PM
The funny thing about AJFA is the people who say " AJFA sounds perfect as it is ".

I mean fair enough if you enjoy the way it sounds...

But I bet 100% that if And Justice For All - in 1988 - had the production of The Black Album - nobody would be saying

" Yeah it's good...but what would make it even better would be zero bass guitar "...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 21, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
The funny thing about AJFA is the people who say " AJFA sounds perfect as it is ".

I mean fair enough if you enjoy the way it sounds...

But I bet 100% that if And Justice For All - in 1988 - had the production of The Black Album - nobody would be saying

" Yeah it's good...but what would make it even better would be zero bass guitar "...

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like the mix on Justice, I just have no desire or expectation for them to re-mix it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
I understand not wanting to alter an album once it's out.

But I also don't see any harm in releasing a re-mixed version *alongside* a remastered original.


They have altered stuff in the past. The single for Some Kind Of Monster has a normal snare sound and the iTunes version of Death Magnetic is much cleaner than the CD.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on February 21, 2017, 03:16:39 PM
I understand not wanting to alter an album once it's out.

But I also don't see any harm in releasing a re-mixed version *alongside* a remastered original.


They have altered stuff in the past. The single for Some Kind Of Monster has a normal snare sound and the iTunes version of Death Magnetic is much cleaner than the CD.

Exactly my point. There's no harm in doing it. Deep Purple did it for the 25th anniversary of...I want to say Stormbringer, but I might be wrong on that. One of the classic records, however. Tons of bands do it as a special commemorative release, alongside something else. It wouldn't be something individually available. It would have to be purchased as a part of the set. This way, the original record (albeit remastered) is the primary work. The "remixed version" would just be an add-on. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 21, 2017, 03:27:26 PM
Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band.  I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.

The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.
So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.

https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search (https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search)

It's a one off show from the stadiums.  It looks like its in the round from the seating picture.
That seems to be an arena, and not a particularly large one, at that. An end-stage gig would knock the capacity down to something wholly inadequate, so it certainly makes sense.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2017, 03:31:47 PM
They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.

At least 90,000 attendance for every date.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 21, 2017, 03:33:07 PM
They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.

At least 90,000 attendance for every date.

They would not sell those out in the states, no way. They'd be playing to half-empty venues.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2017, 03:34:22 PM
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 03:36:50 PM
They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.

At least 90,000 attendance for every date.

They would not sell those out in the states, no way. They'd be playing to half-empty venues.

Exactly.  Also, I think doing an end stadium show allows them to use big screens for the people far away.  I can only think of Jerry's world as a stadium that has the huge screen in the middle so you'd effectively be able to see everything if the concert was in the round.

Metlife stadium has big screens, but they are at the four corners.  If Metallica played in the round, people would be watching the corner of the stadium, not the center if they were too far away.  Well, that's my guess, never seen a concert in the round before personally.


...and definitely not as big as U2.  They hit a much larger audience.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 21, 2017, 03:39:47 PM
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?

I mean, I'm completely speculating but my guess is that they would not sell out those shows. Maybe I'm completely misjudging their draw here.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 03:44:13 PM
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?

I mean, I'm completely speculating but my guess is that they would not sell out those shows. Maybe I'm completely misjudging their draw here.

Nah, Metallica do well here, likely the best of any metal band, but metal music in general does not draw people the way U2 or Lady GaGa does in the US.  Metallica needed to bring another big metal band with them to make this work.  Last time Metallica toured the US in stadiums, it was for the Big 4 tour which they also needed some big metal acts to be with them.  Sadly, metal music is just not the big money maker in the US like pop stars are, or even classic rocks bands like U2 or Bruce Springsteen types.

It's funny.  I think every single one of my friends likes Metallica.  Only one of them is going to the concert with me and he happens to be the least interested in music of my friends  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on February 21, 2017, 04:04:01 PM
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.

Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?
DEFINITELY not as huge as U2.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on February 21, 2017, 06:46:16 PM
I was excited for a Metallica tour until I saw the ticket prices. Yea the album sold big, but there's a pretty major difference between a $10 album and a $100 concert ticket.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 21, 2017, 07:36:55 PM
The sold out here in Tulsa for the Death Magnetic tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 22, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
Time lapse video of setting the stage up and the show. Pretty neat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLIJxo7WRLo
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on February 22, 2017, 06:53:56 PM
I might've considered laying down some money for a DM tour, but Hardwired? No way. But tbh, I think those prices are ridicous no matter what.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2017, 04:30:02 AM
I might've considered laying down some money for a DM tour, but Hardwired? No way. But tbh, I think those prices are ridicous no matter what.

You should check out the resell prices on stubhub  :lol 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 24, 2017, 09:18:11 PM
So I just realized that Metallica in A Year and a Half were in their late 20's.

Does anyone else feel weird seeing James Hetfield in that documentary and thinking of him as a guy in his 20's?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on February 26, 2017, 04:47:20 PM
I decided I'd really like a copy of Lady Gaga doing Moth to the Flame with Metallica. Even if it's the way DT did that Lzzy Hale thing, with Gaga just recorded parts on the original recording and the vocals being remixed/edited. Not going to happen, I know, but it would be cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 26, 2017, 04:53:01 PM
How about a copy of Lady Gaga doing Moth to the Flame with Dream Theater?



(I'll see myself out..)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 26, 2017, 05:03:59 PM
So the new album has been out for 4 months now so maybe it's sunk in enough for this.

Hardwired To Self Destruct Ranking !!

Top 4

1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Dream No More
3. Halo On Fire
4. Moth Into Flame

Middle 4.

1. Atlas Rise!
2. Confusion
3. Now That We're Dead
4. ManUnKind

Bottom 4

1. Hardwired
Lords of Summer
2. Here Comes Revenge
3. Am I Savage
4. Murder One
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 26, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
Let's see...

01: Dream No More (soooooo heavy!!!)
02: Halo on Fire
03: Spit Out the Bone
04: Confusion
05: Here Comes Revenge
06: Moth Into Flame
07: Am I Savage?
08: Now That We're Dead
09: ManUNkind
10: Atlas, Rise!
11: Lords of Summer
12: Hardwired
13: Murder One
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 27, 2017, 02:48:29 AM
1. Halo on Fire
2. Spit Out The Bone

3. Everything besides the singles

4. The singles

Can we just take a moment to talk about how awesome this album is lyrically?

"I was born from anger's flame. He was Able, I was Cain."
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. A life for a life is my burden of proof."

So. Fucking. Good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 27, 2017, 03:56:30 AM
Definitely better than Death Magnetic lyrically. And St. Anger of course.

Probably his best lyrics since Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 27, 2017, 07:22:24 AM
For me, Murder One and Am I Savage? are by far the most forgettable songs on the album.  Then would come Confusion and ManUNkind.  Everything else on the album, IMO, ranges from awesome to pretty good.

Halo On Fire has been my favorite since first listen.  Then would come Spit Out The Bone and Moth Into Flame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 27, 2017, 07:45:44 AM
Definitely better than Death Magnetic lyrically. And St. Anger of course.

Probably his best lyrics since Load.

No question. Great work from James on this album.

For me, Murder One and Am I Savage? are by far the most forgettable songs on the album.  Then would come Confusion and ManUNkind.  Everything else on the album, IMO, ranges from awesome to pretty good.

I keep seeing Am I Savage? ranked low for people...Honestly that's a top 4 or 5 song on the record for me depending on the day. Great tune.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 27, 2017, 08:22:58 AM
Am I Savage is underrated for sure. Great track. I love the groove in the main riff, and how wicked-sounding the prechrous is. Interesting lyrics too. And of course the monster riff in the bridge. I think it's the most Reload-sounding track on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 27, 2017, 08:24:45 AM
Am I Savage is underrated for sure. Great track. I love the groove in the main riff, and how wicked-sounding the prechrous is. Interesting lyrics too. And of course the monster riff in the bridge. I think it's the most Reload-sounding track on the album.

Agreed on all counts. I get why it's not a standout for most people, it's a weird tune. I just love it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 27, 2017, 09:03:47 AM
There's no outright dud on the album.

Just songs that are better than others.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 27, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
There's no outright dud on the album.

Just songs that are better than others.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on February 27, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
Here Comes Revenge is such a great metal song, it gets stuck in my head alot.  :metal
 The outro on Halo on Fire is epic!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 27, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
Also - apart from the sheer speed of Hardwired - most of the album is pretty easy on guitar too.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: soupytwist on February 28, 2017, 04:08:51 AM
I think there are 7 good tracks on this album (2-7, 12).  The other 5 are a bit bland, nothing awful though.  Solid album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 28, 2017, 05:15:58 AM
Here Comes Revenge is such a great metal song, it gets stuck in my head alot.  :metal
 The outro on Halo on Fire is epic!

Yes and yes!

Especially the verses in Revenge are quite catchy, they flow incredibily well when you sing along to them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 28, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
What does everyone think Kirk's top 3 leads are on this album ?

1. Halo outro is an obvious highlight

2. Moth Into Flame

3. Dream No More ? I like the way it ends up back on the original melody.

I like the one in Now That We're Dead. It has a Reload quality to it which I like.




One of the interesting things Hetfield does is alter the riff or play something new under Kirks solos. He's always done it and I always focus on what he's doing as well.

Under the Dream No More solo it does this 6 - 3 - 0 thing that doesn't appear again in the song. It's pretty cool. Sounds like a Grunge riff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 28, 2017, 07:07:43 AM
My tickets for the Philly show arrived in yesterday's mail.  I can't frickin' wait!   :metal 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 28, 2017, 11:08:52 AM
What does everyone think Kirk's top 3 leads are on this album ?

1. Halo outro is an obvious highlight

2. Moth Into Flame

3. Dream No More ? I like the way it ends up back on the original melody.

Those are probably my top 3 as well. The Halo outro is an obvious standout. Moth solo is actually pretty cool and Dream No More is a stellar song from front to back, solo included.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 28, 2017, 11:24:06 AM
This is the stage set-up for the summer tour.  It's huge!
(https://www.blackenedtrading.net/uploads/MetallicaStadiumStageSet-Up.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 28, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
1. Spit Out The Bone end solo
2. Dream No More
3. Now That We're Dead (For simplistic reasons)

Kirk upped his game for this album, his solos actually flow well with each track. And I'm glad he kicked the wah aside for a lot of them!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 28, 2017, 12:10:34 PM
I actually like the Hardwired solo for it's short but sweet get in - Get out approach.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 28, 2017, 12:11:26 PM
This is the stage set-up for the summer tour.  It's huge!
(https://www.blackenedtrading.net/uploads/MetallicaStadiumStageSet-Up.jpg)




:o :o :o


That's almost U2 PopMart Levels.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2017, 12:14:26 PM
Yea, it's been advertised this tour is going to be crazy with the stage show for both bands so no surprise to see it's huge, but not sure on my feeling for the stage extension to come out.  I'm not really a big fan of those because I feel like most bands don't walk down it when performing so it's not really useful.  Im guessing it allows them to charge a crazy ticket price to be in that circle though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 28, 2017, 12:18:46 PM
Can't wait to see the pics and videos tomorrow !!!!


They pro shoot every single gig. I don't know why they can't live stream every show for a fee. That would absolutely make the money.

$10 to watch a pro shot live-stream ? They'd make hundreds of thousands. Easy.

It can't even be that difficult. The audio and video quality of the House of Vans stream was mind boggling.

Plus included with the $10 would be to download the video of the gig after it's done. in case your connection f---ed off.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on February 28, 2017, 01:27:46 PM
They pro shoot every single gig. I don't know why they can't live stream every show for a fee. That would absolutely make the money.

Because then no one would go to the actual gig.

Well, not actually "no one", but since people download music for free not caring for owning actual CDs, what stops them from saying "Eh, I pay just a little fee and see the concert anyway", not caring for paying a lot to actually be there (where maybe they would have the cellphone in their hand 80% of the time anyway)?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2017, 01:37:02 PM
They pro shoot every single gig. I don't know why they can't live stream every show for a fee. That would absolutely make the money.

Because then no one would go to the actual gig.

Well, not actually "no one", but since people download music for free not caring for owning actual CDs, what stops them from saying "Eh, I pay just a little fee and see the concert anyway", not caring for paying a lot to actually be there (where maybe they would have the cellphone in their hand 80% of the time anyway)?

I dont agree.  People who go to concerts go for the experience.  Metallica has so much live video that if you didn't want the experience, you'd watch the videos on youtube and not go to the concerts now as it is, but that's not the case.

I also don't see a paid live stream as a profitable business, if it was I think you'd be seeing it with other bands.  The market for live metallica is already extremely diluted. I think they get away with selling the shows after because people will pay to relive their experience at the show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 28, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
Yea, it's been advertised this tour is going to be crazy with the stage show for both bands so no surprise to see it's huge, but not sure on my feeling for the stage extension to come out.  I'm not really a big fan of those because I feel like most bands don't walk down it when performing so it's not really useful.  Im guessing it allows them to charge a crazy ticket price to be in that circle though.
That section within the ramps is their "Snakepit".  They had this initially on the Black Album tour and have periodically brought it back for their summer tours.  As they're not available for sale on TM, I'm not quite sure how you get them.  I think they're for contest winners and upgrades.  It would be a pretty sweet way to see the show (IMO). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on February 28, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
I'm sure it's related to one of the package deals. I know they weren't listed on the TM chart for Foro Sol, though Stubhub does show them.

And if I'm not mistaken, the original snakepit from TBA tour was in the middle of their in the round stage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
So does anyone here not have HtSD?  With ticket purchase you get the album for free, which I already have.  It says on the email I got that I can gift it to someone.  What's cool is it says you can get the actual CD or the digital download so maybe that's interesting to someone.  I have two tickets so I have two free albums.  Just need a name and email to send them as gifts. I ask for one thing in return if anyone is interested... subscribe to my youtube channel  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 28, 2017, 04:29:53 PM
I bought it on Day 1.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2017, 04:36:55 PM
I bought it on Day 1.

Yea I think most here have it already, figured I'd try to give it away here before going elsewhere since someone on this site would appreciate the free music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
So does anyone here not have HtSD?

I don't.  I've heard about half of the songs now on YT, and none of them make me want to buy it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 01, 2017, 04:12:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XXggZKq.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 01, 2017, 04:40:56 AM
Those cranes look barely tall enough to reach the top.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 01, 2017, 04:42:10 AM
It reminds me of U2's PopMart Tour stage - this video screen *may* even be bigger.


There's no motorised lemon though!

The first gig is tonight. I can't wait for the pics and vids of it...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 01, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/17077663_1837645096508978_4683493031188365312_n.jpg)




This show is gonna be nuts !

That big A looks like polystyrene though. I wonder if they make new ones for each date ?!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 01, 2017, 09:17:41 AM
Wow all these shots of the stage production are looking really cool!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 01, 2017, 09:27:51 AM
Cool looking stage, but I thought they said it'll be different than the one they used last year?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 01, 2017, 09:39:14 AM
I don't think that one had the vanity runway and the big letters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 01, 2017, 10:12:59 AM
Definitely didn't have the big letters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 01, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
Dougal : Ted, looks like an ordinary blackboard doesn't it ?

Ted : Yes ?

Dougal : But watch ! You can rub off the letters !

Ted : Dougal, you can do that with *any* Blackboard...

Dougal : :o What ?!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 01, 2017, 10:46:26 PM
That is one helluva big stage.  Seems to me that for people in the front section those screens would be overwhelming. I'll let y'all know how it looks IRL Sat.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SystematicThought on March 02, 2017, 12:21:29 AM
Dougal : Ted, looks like an ordinary blackboard doesn't it ?

Ted : Yes ?

Dougal : But watch ! You can rub off the letters !

Ted : Dougal, you can do that with *any* Blackboard...

Dougal : :o What ?!
That would be an ecumenical matter.

Anyways, that stage looks huge. It's a shame they aren't comping back to Minnesota this tour
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2017, 04:31:43 AM
(https://s16.postimg.org/zb3n9wjpx/Screenshot_13.jpg)


 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 02, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
That is one helluva big stage.  Seems to me that for people in the front section those screens would be overwhelming. I'll let y'all know how it looks IRL Sat.  :metal

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
So apparently - every ticket for the WorldWired tour comes with a CD album.

And it still counts as an album sale...And Metallica are playing mainly stadiums..

Very sneaky and clever  :biggrin:


They're playing 3 nights in a massive stadium in Mexico and apparently Hardwired has been #1 there for 11 weeks :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2017, 09:19:01 AM
NOW THAT WE'RE DEAD DRUMS :p

https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/

Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 02, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
NOW THAT WE'RE DEAD DRUMS :p

https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/

Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.

That's fucking awesome! Shit like this is why I consider them the best live band. The showmanship is just incredible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 02, 2017, 12:50:13 PM
NOW THAT WE'RE DEAD DRUMS :p

https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/

Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.

That's fucking awesome! Shit like this is why I consider them the best live band. The showmanship is just incredible.

After watching 311 do this similar drum interlude during the song Applied Science for the last 20 years (https://youtu.be/s5sNu84tDAQ?t=4m45s (https://youtu.be/s5sNu84tDAQ?t=4m45s)), this is pretty poor.  But that's only because other bands have done it significantly better.  Still cool to see Metallica do something different. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2017, 01:04:03 PM
NOW THAT WE'RE DEAD DRUMS :p

https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/

Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.

That's fucking awesome! Shit like this is why I consider them the best live band. The showmanship is just incredible.

There's also a second drum kit that rises out of the catwalk for the encore.

Mike their mix engineer posted a pic of it and it's all MIDI skins. I guess so they don't have to mic up a 2nd drumkit and get it sounding exactly like the first one.

They can trigger everything and sample the acoustic kit.

That's my  guess anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 03, 2017, 03:42:13 AM
So I just watched footage of James, Satriani, and Billie Joe Armstrong perform an acoustic mashup of Turn The Page and Blvd Of Broken Dreams.

I don't know how I feel about this...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2017, 04:02:10 AM
It was a one-off for a good cause.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 03, 2017, 04:48:46 AM
I know.

It was awesome.. but still.. strange.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 03, 2017, 06:19:13 AM
I think hardwired is great, but I definitely like DM a whole lot more. It just feels much more intricate and the music is more complex and hard hitting.

But to Hardwired's credit, the songs are very well written and super catchy, so they are both great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2017, 06:24:54 AM
I think Death Magnetic is a bit meandering and the arrangements and tempos could be a lot better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 03, 2017, 10:18:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxyVnJMg64


Rehearsal with Lady Gaga, much better than the actual version. Better sound, better performances.


However, Lady Gagas dancing is just......not helping anything. I wished they included her style of music instead of her dancing. This isn't exactly a song to dance to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on March 04, 2017, 12:27:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxyVnJMg64


Rehearsal with Lady Gaga, much better than the actual version. Better sound, better performances.


However, Lady Gagas dancing is just......not helping anything. I wished they included her style of music instead of her dancing. This isn't exactly a song to dance to.
I enjoyed her dancing, but that may be due to what she was wearing. Or rather, what she wasn't wearing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on March 04, 2017, 12:33:21 AM
So I just watched footage of James, Satriani, and Billie Joe Armstrong perform an acoustic mashup of Turn The Page and Blvd Of Broken Dreams.

I don't know how I feel about this...
lol

James: Jason, you can't have side projects.
James *does side projects*


* I know it's not akin to being in a second band, but I still lul'd.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on March 04, 2017, 02:56:16 AM
That dress rehearsal is just so much better than the actual thing in every single way. Very cool.

EDIT: The youtube vid isn't available in the UK for some reason (seriously, wtf is with these location restrictions) but Metallica's own version is available anywhere: https://metallica.com/videos/32631/how-it-should-have-sounded-metallica-lady-gaga-moth-into-flame-dress-rehear
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 04, 2017, 12:38:48 PM
The stage is a trip. When you walk in it doesn't look all that impressive, but once you get underneath it's overwhelming. And the catwalk around the snakepit is enormous. I was close enough to see every weather-worn wrinkle in Iggy Pop, but I could barely make out his drummer who was so far away. (and Iggy was great) Good stage show with all of the graphics overlaying the live footage. However, there was a highly disappointing lack of pyro for a Metallica gig. They seem to have discovered lasers now and that's supplanted the explosions. Not even during the intro to One, or the Landmine. A few puffs of fire from the top of the stage during Fuel and Moth, and a good 5 minute fireworks display after the gig, but that's about it.

On a side note, I saw Slayer on the Raining Blood tour. My left arm was around a lady-friend and clutching the barricade while my right was holding up my half of a chair to protect us from all of the other chairs and bodies flying upwards at us. The Mexicans made that shit look like one of Orbert's church concerts. All I can say is that those poor bastards at Riverfront suffered pretty awful deaths.

And tomorrow night awaits.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2017, 12:49:12 PM
:angry: Fucks sake I paid £150 to go and see / hear a rock band perform and I didn't even get punched in the face or hit over the head with a chair...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 04, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
:angry: Fucks sake I paid £150 to go and see / hear a rock band perform and I didn't even get punched in the face or hit over the head with a chair...
As usual you misinterpreted my meaning (although perhaps this time I wasn't abundantly clear). While I had a blast at Slayer, last night was actually scary. There were probably 15k in my front floor section, and 10k of them were behind me and moving forward. I'm a genuine badass at concerts with 33 years under my belt and that's the first time I really felt concerned for my safety.

And the reason I'm spending some time in my apartment piddling away on DTF on this lovely Saturday in Mexico City is because I can hardly walk after all of that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 04, 2017, 05:40:56 PM
I'm confused, there are chairs on the floor?  The rush at concerts when the band starts and everyone surges forward toward the stage can be kind of scary at small concerts, can't imagine that at a huge concert in Mexico where it's much rowdier than the US.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 04, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
I'm confused, there are chairs on the floor?  The rush at concerts when the band starts and everyone surges forward toward the stage can be kind of scary at small concerts, can't imagine that at a huge concert in Mexico where it's much rowdier than the US.
Nah, I was just comparing the level of mayhem to a slayer show where there were (foolishly) chairs on the floor. This was wilder. And yeah, there were upwards of 35k on the floor, half in my section moving every which way. Spooky shit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 04, 2017, 06:58:57 PM
I think that would be too much for me  :lol Although I think going to a concert south of the border would be such a cool experience.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 05, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRRM074g8mI/

Lars' Snake Pit kit.

It looks like all the drums and cymbals are electronic. I guess it makes sense. He only plays it for 3 songs and it saves having all the microphones in the way / balancing two whole kits to sound the exact

same. Plus i wouldn't be surprised if they sampled the live kit into it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 05, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
Dream No More made its live debut for the final Mexico show tonight. Excellent setlist!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2017, 10:54:35 PM
I'd love to see a good quality video of the e-kit. At last Lars will sound consistent in his velocity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 06, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRRM074g8mI/

Lars' Snake Pit kit.

It looks like all the drums and cymbals are electronic. I guess it makes sense. He only plays it for 3 songs and it saves having all the microphones in the way / balancing two whole kits to sound the exact

same. Plus i wouldn't be surprised if they sampled the live kit into it.
It's only for one song. S&D wraps up the set. Then they play a random song and two steady ones for the encore where he's back at the regular kit.

Better set this evening. Glad I got to see RtL, and while SOtB would have been better, SNM is a good random new song. For that slot I would have preferred Confusion on Wed night, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 04:32:25 AM
Dream No More ;)

Oh and one of the comments on the E-kit pics :

" The drum triggers generally sound the same (maybe even a little better). But Lars is probably doing this for attention "

:lolpalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 06, 2017, 04:34:05 AM
SNM


Sdream No More
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on March 06, 2017, 04:36:03 AM
SNM


Sdream No More
Or maybe it's a Lars solo song, titled "Stream No More"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 06, 2017, 04:39:30 AM
SNM


Sdream No More
Or maybe it's a Lars solo song, titled "Stream No More"

He got banned on Twitch?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 04:50:45 AM
 :metal I was hoping they'd play Dream No More in Db
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 06:00:02 AM
Also James has bleached his hair again.

He can do what he wants of course. But I find it odd when actors or musicians stop dyeing their hair - let it grow out grey for ages than just start again.

And it never looks as natural as when they did it before either :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 06, 2017, 07:11:16 AM
Awesome that they played Dream No More! Easily in my top 3 tracks on the new album!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 08, 2017, 12:59:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb772B31FXE

Dream No More live from Mexico City.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DougMasters on March 08, 2017, 02:48:29 PM
I just spent the other day ranking them and my opinion already changed since.

Puppets
Lightning
Black album
Justice
Load
Reload
KILLthemall
Hardwired
Death Magnetic
St Anger.

Im usually pretty mature when it comes to music i dont like butSt Anger may be one of the worst albums ive ever heard. I  cant think of one redeeming quality. Except that i got a good review of how obnoxious a brass snare drum can sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 08, 2017, 03:18:13 PM
Hardwired that low ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 08, 2017, 03:42:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb772B31FXE

Dream No More live from Mexico City.

Good stuff. As per the usual lately, the mix quality isn't good, but the performance is!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 08, 2017, 04:42:04 PM
1. Puppets, RTL and Kill em all
2. And justice for all
3. Death magnetic
4. Hardwired and The black album

5. Load
6. RE load


7. St. anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 08, 2017, 09:55:40 PM
So I just discovered this crazy video from 1990.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzOht5nE33o

It's Metallica plus Guns n' Roses and Sebastian Bach doing a.........something. Not great quality, but god damn that would have been cool to see in person.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 09, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
That was the RIP Magazine party.  There weren't too many illicit substances going around that night, right?!?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 09, 2017, 09:07:13 AM
I don't think Hetfield was ever a drug user or cigarette smoker.

I know he had cigars now and again but it was mainly Lars & Kirk who did coke.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 09, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Blabbermouth : " Kirk Hammett : We Tried To Recreate Kill Em All Vibe On New Album "



one poster : " You need Mustaine and Burton for that you fucking queer..."

:facepalm:


1. Mustaine ain't exactly hittin those home runs these days
2. Burton is dead.
3. el oh el
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
When I listen to Hardwired, I immediately think of Kill em All.



Said Kirk and no on else.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 09, 2017, 11:54:17 AM
I think of every album except Saint Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 09, 2017, 11:56:16 AM
Randomly digging around the LiveMet site.... Holy crap the Webster Hall show from back in Sept. is incredible.

They got Greg to mix it, rather than their usual touring mix dude... The sound quality is sooooo much better.

I was just doing a side by side comparison of Moth from that show (Webster Hall):
https://www.livemetallica.com/live-music/0,529/Metallica-mp3-flac-download-9-27-2016-Webster-Hall-New-York-NY.html

And their most recent gig in Korea:
https://www.livemetallica.com/live-music/0,533/Metallica-mp3-flac-download-1-11-2017-Gocheok-Sky-Dome-Seoul-KOR.html

Night and day difference.

Edit: oops Moth preview for the Webster gig is James talking, duh. Master is a better comparison, preview on each is almost the same portion of the song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 09, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
When I listen to Hardwired, I immediately think of Kill em All.

The title track is pretty similar to KEA, & I think that that interview is around the time of that single's release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYapvdr-ow


Metallica : How We Wrote Spit Out The Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 10, 2017, 02:25:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYapvdr-ow


Metallica : How We Wrote Spit Out The Bone.

Awesome!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 10, 2017, 03:23:33 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRRM074g8mI/

Lars' Snake Pit kit.

It looks like all the drums and cymbals are electronic. I guess it makes sense. He only plays it for 3 songs and it saves having all the microphones in the way / balancing two whole kits to sound the exact

same. Plus i wouldn't be surprised if they sampled the live kit into it.

The morons on that Instagram link are talking about Napster  :facepalm: It's been what, 18 years?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 10, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
Anyone who still bitches about Napster don't know what they're talking about.

The kind of moron who thinks Metallica actually sued their own fans for downloading their music.

That wasn't the case at all.

Someone got hold of an unfinished recording of I Disappear and it got up on Napster.

It was a knee jerk reaction from the band admittedly - but it wasn't people are downloading our catalogue for free ?!?!?!

It was more like - this song isn't even finished and released and people are hearing it without our consent.

There is a Metallica FanPage on YouTube called Milanica. YouTube Pulled his account as it had lots of Metallica bootlegs and videos etc.

Metallica *personally* helped him get his entire library back up.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 10, 2017, 09:56:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYapvdr-ow


Metallica : How We Wrote Spit Out The Bone.

Lars: It's almost 7 o'clock
Greg: It's almost 7 o'clock? It's not even 6
Lars:...........in an hour it'll be almost 7 o'clock

That was priceless.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 04:03:42 PM
I always forget about Moth Into Flame...So when I hear it after a while I remember how amazing it is.

Every song on Disc 1 is pretty mush a home run.

Even Hardwired - which works as a short, aggressive energetic opener.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on March 11, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
I'm really enjoying these making of videos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 04:11:38 PM
Yes.

In studio videos are always fun and interesting.

Unless it's System of A Down - whose Mez / Hyp making of DVD was total cack. Deliberately low res and filmed the most uninteresting stuff.

I HATE really shitty wannabe "arty" dvds like that.

When they could have filmed a really decent making of...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
Q :

Where would you put Lords of Summer ( HTSD version ) if it was on the proper album ?

I think it would sound good after Am I Savage?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 05:15:24 PM
Get rid of Murder One, and put Lords as track 1 on side B.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
That could work.

7. Lords of Summer
8. Confusion
9. ManUNKind
10. Here Comes Revenge
11. Am I Savage
12. Spit Out The Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 12, 2017, 12:17:06 AM
Either right after Hardwired or at the very end of the album. I originally made a version that had the original demo as track 2 & the final version as track 14, so you hear the evolution of the song from the demo to the final version.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2017, 05:06:59 AM
Man the album version is such an improvement over the demo.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 13, 2017, 10:07:50 AM
Get rid of Murder One, and put Lords as track 1 on side B.
As long as you get ride of Murder One, you can do whatever you want!  Not a fan. at. all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 13, 2017, 10:11:18 AM
I'd say my two least favorite tracks are still Murder One and ManUNKind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 13, 2017, 11:13:40 AM
If I didn't know that Murder one was a Lemmy tribute, I would probably like it less.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 11:24:24 AM
Murder One isn't the best song on the album but I can't understand why everyone hates it so much.

Compared to some of the tripe they've written over the years it's definitely album worthy.

I don't see it as " worst song on the album "

I see it as " Hardwired has 11 songs which I prefer "...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 11:26:02 AM
Murder One isn't the best song on the album but I can't understand why everyone hates it so much.

Compared to some of the tripe they've written over the years it's definitely album worthy.

I don't see it as " worst song on the album "

I see it as " Hardwired has 11 songs which I prefer "...

I didn't say I hated it. I just don't care much for it. When I listen to the whole album I don't skip it, I just enjoy it the least amount. Thus....it's the worst song on the album to me. But on an album full of 8/10 and 9/10, a 5/10 stands out. Even if they wrote much much worse in the past.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
It's funny though.

They jammed the main riff at a gig between songs and I was like " oh wow that riff is awesome - I hope that's on the album ".

But it's far from the best riff on the album. :p

I like the song . I just like the other 12 *more*...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 13, 2017, 11:56:14 AM
Yup that's where I am with this album. I'd say it's strong and consistent throughout, so the few tunes that I don't like as much aren't bad, they just aren't as good as the rest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 11:59:06 AM
Murder One > > > Purify, Poor twisted Me, Escape, Vulturus etc...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2017, 12:13:35 PM
Murder One > > > Purify, Poor twisted Me, Escape, Vulturus etc...

The hell is Vulturus?

And yea, Murder One is better than all of St. Anger and most of Death Magnetic. But I don't like those albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Vulturus = the Other New Song from 2006

Woooooooah . Wooooooah Woooah ! Woooooooah Woooah !! woooah ! woooah !

Easily the worst song they ever wrote. YouTube Metallica The Other New Song 2006 if you dont remember it
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 13, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
This may be old news, but apparently Escape was never supposed to be on RTL

https://www.metalsucks.net/2017/03/13/metallicas-james-hetfield-reveals-which-song-was-never-supposed-to-be-on-ride-the-lightning/

I worship that album, but always had a problem with that song since day one. It just didn't feel like it fit in with the other songs, and now it makes sense.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2017, 03:30:33 PM
Yeah they refused to play it until they decided to play Ride The Lightning in full.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 14, 2017, 07:40:14 AM
I had read stuff to that effect before, that basically Escape was thrown together to please the label and James HATED it.

Also - side note. I was listening to disc 2 of HWtSD on my way into work today and while the second disc isn't as consistent as the first, James' vocals are absolutely stellar throughout every song. Terrific performance by him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
So it looks like - according to the Spit Out The Bone making of - they've been hacking away at this album since 2012 if not earlier.

James still has brown hair at the very start of the video.

No wonder it sounds so good. They've been gradually perfecting it bit by bit. Working on it here and there.

I know they said they started writing "proper" in September 2014 but that must have been when they entered the studio to do "heads down" nailing the arrangements and start tracking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 14, 2017, 06:04:38 PM
 Spit Out The Bone Live...With A Caveat... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTPYIr2Nkc)


:biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 14, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
Spit Out The Bone Live...With A Caveat... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTPYIr2Nkc)


:biggrin:

You fucker. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2017, 09:22:50 PM
Dude's got Hetfield down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on March 15, 2017, 02:09:00 AM
Spit Out The Bone Live...With A Caveat... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTPYIr2Nkc)


:biggrin:
Did you find this on /r/metallica?

Anyhoo, I definitely don't care for his vocals on Master of Puppets. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYU-R1h3kxQ)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 15, 2017, 02:28:10 AM
MP joined a Metallica Tribute band?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 15, 2017, 07:04:19 AM
Speaking of 'Spit Out The Bone':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA6mJujMVJ8

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on March 15, 2017, 07:14:02 AM
Speaking of 'Spit Out The Bone':

Metallica's James Hetfield ft. Kirk Hammett/Lars Ulrich - Spit Out The Laugh (LaughCover) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA6mJujMVJ8)

 :lol
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2017, 07:37:07 AM
Dude's got Hetfield down.

Seriously. At first glance I thought James was up there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on March 15, 2017, 10:36:11 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't hear a Kill 'em All vibe from anything except Spit out the Bone? They're actual return to thrash was Death Magnetic. That album was a badass thrash metal album.Real back to the roots stuff.

The new album is amazing as well. But I don't hear much thrash. There's the impression being given out that it is like their first few records, but to my ears it's much more like the Black album, or even a heavier Load at times. Which certainly isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 15, 2017, 10:42:56 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't hear a Kill 'em All vibe from anything except Spit out the Bone? They're actual return to thrash was Death Magnetic. That album was a badass thrash metal album.Real back to the roots stuff.

The new album is amazing as well. But I don't hear much thrash. There's the impression being given out that it is like their first few records, but to my ears it's much more like the Black album, or even a heavier Load at times. Which certainly isn't a bad thing.

I think it was Kirk that said the new record was like KeA... Based on his track record of comparing new material to old material, I wouldn't give it much thought. He seems to have a weird perspective of that stuff. He said DM was like Justice....

As far as the new album, stylistically, I have said here before, I think it's a mix of everything from their career. There is some thrash (Hardwired, Spit) that throws it back to their earlier days. Even a song like Halo could have been on an earlier record. Tunes like Moth and Revenge could have been Black Album material. Stuff like Dream and Savage are more Load-ish...

Basically, I think it's a balance of all the styles they have touched on in the last 35 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on March 16, 2017, 06:34:03 AM
European tour in 2018 announced!

Damn, they're skipping my hometown, they're still on a Saturday in Turin, which means a train trip and spending the night out, but to decide already know for February 2018 it's a bit hard... and I espect tickets to sell out in no time... damn!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 16, 2017, 07:28:42 AM
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 16, 2017, 07:43:53 AM
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!
After 30+ years, they've certainly earned the right to tour that way.  They have families they actually want to spend time with.  More power to 'em.  I can't wait to see them in Philly.  It's been a long time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 09:47:40 AM
Considering a London date. Depends on prices.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 16, 2017, 09:48:30 AM
Considering a London date. Depends on prices.

Do it!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 09:55:03 AM
This is ME we're talking about :lolpalm: 

Even if it was free and I had accommodation sorted and travel.

I'd still go :emo: oh what's the point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 16, 2017, 09:56:05 AM
This is ME we're talking about :lolpalm: 

Even if it was free and I had accommodation sorted and travel.

I'd still go :emo: oh what's the point.

 :lol You should definitely try though. I've never been able to see them live, I'd love the chance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
My depression doesn't allow me to enjoy anything. :(

Plus I get really down after big gigs because they're on stage playing to 50,000

And I'm a massive worthless failure. :) :)



Still. The new album is good though. :coolio
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2017, 10:04:31 AM
Are you..........hardwired to self destruct?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 10:18:48 AM
My depression doesn't allow me to enjoy anything. :(

Plus I get really down after big gigs because they're on stage playing to 50,000

And I'm a massive worthless failure. :) :)

That's certainly a poor way to view things.  I'd say scope it out and see if you can do it, since you love the album so much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on March 16, 2017, 10:24:05 AM
Concerts like this are the experience of a lifetime! If it's financially possible I suggest you as well to go, since you even like the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on March 16, 2017, 10:28:01 AM
Easier said than done, though. I remember how anxious I was for the first concert I went to by myself.

I ended up having an awesome time though, if you truly love the music (and I'm pretty sure you do) you have to try and cancel out any environmental factors and let it just be about you and the music. I think the regret of not going would be tougher than the courage you'd have to build up to go to this concert.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 10:33:36 AM
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better.  No one to distract you from enjoying the music. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on March 16, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better.  No one to distract you from enjoying the music.

I agree.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on March 16, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better.  No one to distract you from enjoying the music.

People who would share my tastes in music for a specific concert wouldn't surely be an annoyance to have around. Especially considering that I'm a metalhead so it's hard, say, to go to a random concert with a coworker and it turns out said coworker's a douche.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 16, 2017, 12:48:54 PM
My concert buddies are never a distraction. Once the show starts there's really no difference between going as a group or going by myself. Where there is a difference is in pre and post show festivities.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 12:59:33 PM
Well my problem is no one I personally knows like to go to concerts or likes the music I like.  So in the past, bringing someone along usually meant they complained or wanted to leave early, or just in general no fun to be around when you want to enjoy the music.  People of similar interests as you shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 01:35:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/esjL9E3.jpg)





Went to a record shop. They had this. I couldn't resist :hat




...and the gig depends on how much a GA ticket is. If it's like £100 for the cheapest ticket then no chance..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 16, 2017, 01:40:48 PM
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better.  No one to distract you from enjoying the music.

I agree.

I almost always go alone.   I brought my kid to see Ritchie Blackmore, I went to Marillion with a pal, and I'm going to Maiden with a friend.   I'll almost always look to hook up in the parking lot if it's a possibility.   But I don't mind my company, and I get opportunities I wouldn't have with a group.   With Winery Dogs, I was solo, and ended up next to the stage in front of Billy Sheehan.   At Sabbath, I was third row in front of Geezer.  Temple of the Dog, I got moved around a little, but I saw the first four songs from fifth row center.   I'm going to see Neal Morse Band in August, front row, by myself.   Yeah, sometimes I wish I had someone to corroborate, but I'm good with that. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 01:51:10 PM
I have no probs going to gigs / cinema on my own. I like the freedom of not having to wait around for others and all decide where to eat / what sights to see before the gig etc etc...

I just get pretty bad post gig depression.

I'll check ticket prices though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
Yea, when I am solo I typically am able to be more maneuverable as well leading me to get pretty close at a lot of concerts ( I shook Elize Ryd's hand last weekend  :metal)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
:emo: Y U NO LIKE MY RED VINYL ?!?!?


two songs in and the vinyl sounds slammin so far. I swear there's more audible cymbals on this version. And obviously it's on vinyl so it sounds warmer than the CD.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 02:23:55 PM
:emo: Y U NO LIKE MY RED VINYL ?!?!?

it's cool :lol I just don't have any personal interest in vinyl, or even CDs anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 02:25:56 PM
 :omg:

I'm something of an audiophile.. But not anything like Snobby Steven Wilson levels. I use my iPhone to put on music when i'm in the shower :biggrin:

I couldn't ONLY buy music from iTunes. I'm old school ( being almost 39 helps :P )...

I still love the physical format.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2017, 02:37:45 PM
Well Amazon for me, but yea.  I have a very dusty CD collection in my basement that I prefer to not add to.  Occasionally I do for my favorite bands, but I do that even less now.  I'm definitely not an audiophile and I am attached to my phone so that's what plays most of the music I listen to (in car, on the move, at work).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2017, 02:49:27 PM
I only download albums that come in those shitty flimsy one fold card sleeves like Foo Fighters Sonic Highways.

Then I don't see the point in paying extra for such a cheap product.

Plus I also use my iPhone for music on the go. But that's fine. I don't need FLAC audio and £500 headphones when I'm out. I just want music whilst i'm out walking. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2017, 06:44:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/esjL9E3.jpg)

Sweet! That red is really cool!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 17, 2017, 06:53:58 AM
Oh, and I'm a CD snob.  I have something like 26,000 songs on my iPod, and I would guess that all but maybe 50 are from a CD in my basement.  MAYBE 100, but I can't imagine it's that high a number (though I did buy a three-volume Cheap Trick on-line only set, so maybe...)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2017, 10:53:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/esjL9E3.jpg)

Sweet! That red is really cool!

The vinyl sounds so good. I had it cranked and aside from being warmer - I swear there's more audible

cymbals. I remember Moth in particular sounding great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2017, 01:05:08 PM
The vinyl sounds so good. I had it cranked and aside from being warmer - I swear there's more audible

cymbals. I remember Moth in particular sounding great.

I'm sure it does. Obviously even though the songs all sound similar, there are definitely slight differences in the mixes across songs and to my ears, Moth is one of the best sounding songs on the record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2017, 01:05:41 PM
You mean in general on the CD or do you have the album on Vinyl too ? :)

Hardwired sounds like it has a slightly more digital guitar sound than the rest. Not sure if this is from them recording it last minute or what.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2017, 01:08:23 PM
You mean in general on the CD or do you have the album on Vinyl too ? :)

Hardwired sounds like it has a slightly more digital guitar sound than the rest. Not sure if this is from them recording it last minute or what.

I mean on the CD. I don't have the vinyl (yet). I think sonically, you can tell Hardwired was thrown on at the end of the process, still sounds good but you are right, not quite up to the quality of the other songs sonically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2017, 01:12:13 PM
Also I don't think Hardwired has as much going on with regards to layers.

It's essentially 2 rhythms bass drums and a solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 17, 2017, 09:47:40 PM
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!

Yeah, but with all that down time for practicing just imagine how awesome Lars is gonna sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Also I don't think Hardwired has as much going on with regards to layers.

It's essentially 2 rhythms bass drums and a solo.

I took a good listen, it sounds like at least 3-4 rhythms (either 2 on each side or 1 on each side and 1 in the middle) with at least 3-4 leads (not counting solos).


........and bass and drums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 04:32:44 AM
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 04:33:58 AM
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!

Yeah, but with all that down time for practicing just imagine how awesome Lars is gonna sound.

You're joking of course but he says he does practice more these days. You can tell. he's not suddenly Dave Lombardo but his playing is a LOT better recently.

I can't remember the last time I heard him make a big error - not like back in 2006 where he would come off the rails once a gig at least.

I used to listen to gigs back in the day just waiting for " the Lars fuck up ". Nowadays his playing is a lot stronger overall.

He still speeds up a bit live but they're playing the songs slightly slower than usual so that helps too.





EDIT



I also never really thought of Hardwired / Atlas as like Battery / Master with regards to sequencing - but Atlas, Rise! is a much better attempt at a long Master Of Puppets style song

than " Just A Bullet Away " was - with it's clean middle section for good measure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 18, 2017, 05:28:20 AM
This may be an unpopular opinion, but besides anything from Lulu, Just A Bullet Away is Metallica's worst song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on March 18, 2017, 05:33:15 AM
Anyway, shouldn't the thread title change from Reloaded to Hardwired?  :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 05:36:00 AM
This may be an unpopular opinion, but besides anything from Lulu, Just A Bullet Away is Metallica's worst song.

Great verse riff but that's it.

It's down/up there with Escape / Poor Twisted Me / All Within My Hands...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 09:39:25 AM
Anyway, shouldn't the thread title change from Reloaded to Hardwired?  :D

And the Mastodon thread should be renamed v. Emperor of Sand..

But what ya gonna do ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 18, 2017, 10:40:22 AM
This may be an unpopular opinion, but besides anything from Lulu, Just A Bullet Away is Metallica's worst song.

I actually really like Just a Bullet Away. The clean middle section is one of the best things they've ever written, the main riff is badass, and the lyrics are pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2017, 10:55:27 AM
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?

Ah, you didn't specify the song. I meant in general on the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?

Ah, you didn't specify the song. I meant in general on the album.

Yeah we were talking about Hardwired sounding different to the rest since it was recorded last minute.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2017, 03:32:42 PM
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?

Ah, you didn't specify the song. I meant in general on the album.

Yeah we were talking about Hardwired sounding different to the rest since it was recorded last minute.

Now I'm supposed to read things??!?! :( Man......
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 09:03:37 AM
The Making of Halo On Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61dWDizJ4Kc)


There can't be many left... Atlas, Rise ? Lords Of Summer ( maybe )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Luoto on March 19, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
I actually really like Just a Bullet Away. The clean middle section is one of the best things they've ever written, the main riff is badass, and the lyrics are pretty good.

It could be one of their best post-Load songs if it wasn't such a clusterfuck of an arrangement. It's a huge waste of potential because of Rick "Just pause it" Rubin.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2017, 09:52:30 AM
I actually really like Just a Bullet Away. The clean middle section is one of the best things they've ever written, the main riff is badass, and the lyrics are pretty good.

It could be one of their best post-Load songs if it wasn't such a clusterfuck of an arrangement. It's a huge waste of potential because of Rick "Just pause it" Rubin.

Rick "turn it up louder and no reverb or vocal harmonies" RUIN
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 20, 2017, 05:35:21 AM
The Making of Halo On Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61dWDizJ4Kc)


There can't be many left... Atlas, Rise ? Lords Of Summer ( maybe )

Didn't they say somewhere that they weren't going to do one for AR because the video kinda already did that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
The Mod on the Metallica forum said the one for Atlas is coming.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 20, 2017, 07:08:08 AM
Halo on Fire making of video was really cool.

And yes, I think there will definitely be a making of video for Atlas, which is the only song left that they haven't released a video for. Unless they are going to do one for Lords of Summer too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on March 20, 2017, 07:34:10 AM
I still have to "watch / listen" the album watching all the videos in a row. I never saw a video outside of the first three, it's my intention to see them all in the album order but I still haven't done it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on March 21, 2017, 04:29:50 AM
£195.05 for two seated tickets at the Birmingham show.

HOW MUCH?! :censored
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 04:32:49 AM
Yeah i'm expecting London to be pricey so I shall not be going.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on March 21, 2017, 04:37:46 AM
Well, I haven't seen Metallica in 18 years. 18 years! So I figured it was about time.

The weekend is shaping up nicely, actually. Weezer on the Saturday in London, NFL game in London the next day and then Metallica on the Monday. Nice :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 04:39:01 AM
Well I haven't seen Metallica ever and i've still no intention of going if the ticket alone is £100.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on March 21, 2017, 04:58:16 AM
For the italian shows is in the 72-92 euros range, so more or less we're there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2017, 08:05:23 AM
$150 for my ticket and that's mid level.  Worth it for having never seen them plus Avenged Sevenfold.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 21, 2017, 08:08:45 AM
$150 for my ticket and that's mid level.  Worth it for having never seen them plus Avenged Sevenfold.

I would have paid that if they were coming near me, unfortunately they aren't.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on March 21, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Avenged Sevenfold, but they're not playing the MA show. I paid about $150, maybe a little more with fees for GA tickets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 01:34:31 PM
O2 London is £95 plus fees.

I saw Green Day at Wembley for £50.

£100 is a bit much sorry guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on March 21, 2017, 02:12:01 PM
If I sent you half, say £50 would it be worth you picking up the other half?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
Haha what ? :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on March 21, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?

Would you be cool sending me 50 squids?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2017, 03:20:24 PM
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.

German ones.

Skid Marks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on March 21, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.

German ones.

Skid Marx.

FTFY :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2017, 03:24:22 PM
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?

 :omg:  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.

German ones.

Skid Marx.



FTFY :tup

I meant like Deutsche Marks
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on March 21, 2017, 03:42:34 PM
I guess I'll have to take that as a "no." Oh well, no good turn and all that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:44:05 PM
Hehe. You'd just part with £50. Just like that.


I wouldn't want to go anyway. Too much hassle / travelling / planning etc...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on March 21, 2017, 03:46:53 PM
It's only money and really not all that much, to me anyway.

I wouldn't want to go anyway. Too much hassle / travelling / planning etc...

Fair enough.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
It's only money and really not all that much, to me anyway.

I wouldn't want to go anyway. Too much hassle / travelling / planning etc...

Fair enough.

Mr. Moneybags over here ;) ...

I just got £5,000 inheritance so money isn't the problem. I just cannot be bothered. October is too soon to organise everything.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2017, 04:23:01 PM
October is too soon to organise everything.

whut lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
Never mind.

I'm not going over it again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 21, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?

I just want to say kudos to you dude. That is a hell of a generous thing to offer to a fellow fan. If you 100% meant that then that's a really cool thing to do.

 I have seen Metallica twice, both at festivals here in the UK. The first time was 2006 and I was probably at the height of my Metallica fandom. It was almost like a religious experience and was beyond words. Even just thinking about how amazing that experience was is making me consider getting tickets. I would urge any fan who hasn't seen them to make sure they see them live at some point. Kotow, you're obviously a big fan. I know you've said before about the difficulty of arranging it all and that you get post gig blues but I urge you to go for it. You 100% won't regret it.

Again, Podaar, hats off for that selfless act  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2017, 05:13:50 PM
Again, Podaar, hats off for that selfless act  :tup

Yes, Podaar is an awesome dude! :tup

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:14:57 PM
Like I said before - it would take too much organising - my social anxiety / depression won't allow me to enjoy the experience and i'll just be super miserable afterwards

because I hate myself :) x

Also the money :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 21, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
because I hate myself :)


:heart
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
 :sadpanda: :JayOctavarium:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 21, 2017, 05:42:31 PM
That came out wrong.

I DONT LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU HATE YOURSELF

I LOVE YOU!




no homo
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:43:30 PM
I GOT THAT. AND I LOVE YOU TOO BUT I WOULDNT WANT TO LIVE IN YOUR TOWN :JayOctavarium:




EDIT : Hey !!! i'm not gay but I hug my male friends and kiss em sometimes. Nothing wrong with this.  :heart :chill
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on March 22, 2017, 06:41:27 AM
I have seen Metallica twice, both at festivals here in the UK. The first time was 2006 and I was probably at the height of my Metallica fandom. It was almost like a religious experience and was beyond words. Even just thinking about how amazing that experience was is making me consider getting tickets. I would urge any fan who hasn't seen them to make sure they see them live at some point. Kotow, you're obviously a big fan. I know you've said before about the difficulty of arranging it all and that you get post gig blues but I urge you to go for it. You 100% won't regret it.


This is the sort of experience I had in mind. KB has contributed a lot of enthusiasm in this thread and I mistakenly thought he wouldn't be able to go simply because of the ticket price. It really seemed like a shame to me. I happen to be in a position to help out. That's all. It truly isn't a big deal, but thank you for the kind words.

And TAC too.

Like I said before - it would take too much organising - my social anxiety / depression won't allow me to enjoy the experience and i'll just be super miserable afterwards

I wasn't aware of this, KB. Some folks very dear to me struggle with the same, so I understand completely. My best, and I won't bring it up again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2017, 05:35:22 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-fans-outraged-over-inflated-ticket-prices-after-european-tour-dates-sell-out/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-fans-outraged-over-inflated-ticket-prices-after-european-tour-dates-sell-out/)

Damn, those resell prices are crazy.  Makes you think the $150 isn't a bad price considering the value in the resell market.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 25, 2017, 11:35:57 AM
^ That sucks, but it's a problem that's pretty bad in the ticketing industry as a whole, definitely not a Metallica specific thing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 25, 2017, 12:13:05 PM
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?

I just want to say kudos to you dude. That is a hell of a generous thing to offer to a fellow fan.
Hear, hear.

Now, when I find myself in SLC I'll be expecting steaks with my martini, Uncle Moneybags.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Podaar on March 25, 2017, 03:01:42 PM
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?

I just want to say kudos to you dude. That is a hell of a generous thing to offer to a fellow fan.
Hear, hear.

Now, when I find myself in SLC I'll be expecting steaks with my martini, Uncle Moneybags.

You got it EB. Any time!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 27, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
Love those " Metallica only got big because of Mustaine " comments. :lolpalm:

He wasn't even in the band when they recorded Kill Em All - which isn't even anywhere near their best album.

Ride The Lightning is such a huge step up and Master is another step up from that.

36 years into their career and they can still write albums like Hardwired To Self Destruct... and have the 18th biggest selling tour of all time... **

I think they're doing OK without Mustaine.


Also if Mustaine is such a genius - why have Megadeth had over 15 different line ups and sell nowhere near Metallica numbers ?

This isn't a fanboy talking. This is factual stuff.

I've tried to enjoy Megadeth but the music doesn't do it for me and his voice is a big obstacle.




** At the time. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on March 27, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
Love those " Metallica only got big because of Mustaine " comments. :lolpalm:

He wasn't even in the band when they recorded Kill Em All - which isn't even anywhere near their best album.

Ride The Lightning is such a huge step up and Master is another step up from that.

36 years into their career and they can still write albums like Hardwired To Self Destruct... and have the 18th biggest selling tour of all time... **

I think they're doing OK without Mustaine.


Also if Mustaine is such a genius - why have Megadeth had over 15 different line ups and sell nowhere near Metallica numbers ?

This isn't a fanboy talking. This is factual stuff.

I've tried to enjoy Megadeth but the music doesn't do it for me and his voice is a big obstacle.




** At the time. . .

Are you replying to someone in this thread? Or is this just the "post your stream of consciousness thoughts of the day thread"?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 27, 2017, 01:18:56 PM
Nah I just find it funny when I read online comments saying that the band would be nowhere without him.

When he left the band before they got signed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 27, 2017, 07:15:53 PM
I'm pretty sure Megadeth's constant lineup changes are because of Mustaine's psychotic tendencies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2017, 06:23:06 AM
He recently said that " I am one of the 4 best guitar players on the planet ".


There's no helping an ego that size.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2017, 06:48:20 AM
He recently said that " I am one of the 4 best guitar players on the planet ".


There's no helping an ego that size.

He didn't say exactly that, he said he was one of the four best rhythm guitar players on the planet. Still egotistical, but much less so than claiming to be one of the 4 best guitar players in the world. As far as the thrash genre goes, he's probably up there. At least he had the sense to also mention Hetfield and Malcolm Young.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2017, 06:51:51 AM
I know I sound like a Metallica fanboy :p I don't intend to.

I've heard a lot of Megadeth and I can't enjoy it. But I have tried...

But any interview with Metallica from like St Anger time onwards - they always downplay their abilities.

Lars and Kirk especially have said many times that they're nowhere near what they used to be and modern players run circles around them.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2017, 06:57:53 AM
To be fair, when you suck as bad as Lars and Kirk, you kind of have to admit that you suck. :P

I'm not much into Megadeth either, as I'm not generally a thrash fan. My favourite Megadeth album is Youthanasia, which is about as much thrash as TBA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 28, 2017, 07:08:11 AM
I know I sound like a Metallica fanboy :p I don't intend to.

I've heard a lot of Megadeth and I can't enjoy it. But I have tried...

But any interview with Metallica from like St Anger time onwards - they always downplay their abilities.

Lars and Kirk especially have said many times that they're nowhere near what they used to be and modern players run circles around them.


True, and I'm not a big Megadeth fan, but to be fair, Metallica used to be just as cocky, they just seemed to have aged out of it a bit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 28, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
My opinion, only, but Mustaine is an interesting character, and a delight to listen to in interviews, but he's a second tier musician.    He may be an excellent thrash rhythm guitar player, but you can't tell me he in the same league as Malcolm, Tony, etc. etc.   Plus his voice...

I'm not saying he sucks, but he's middle of the pack.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on March 28, 2017, 09:39:01 AM
I always tell myself I should check out some of the highly regarded Megadeth albums, but Dave's voice just really doesn't do it for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2017, 10:24:43 AM
To be fair, when you suck as bad as Lars and Kirk, you kind of have to admit that you suck. :P


I definitely think Lars' drumming ability is better than Kirk's lead playing ability.

Live - Lars almost never trainwrecks a drum part but Kirk cannot nail a single solo.

Lars has been steadily getting better since around 2006 whilst Kirk has only gotten worse.

https://youtu.be/4iVOnNmVItc?t=4m26s

^ Comparison. Kirk is all over the place and Lars is mostly solid. Even throws in the double bass. He does still rush drumfills but nowhere near as bad as he used to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2017, 10:27:26 AM
Yea, Lars at least sticks to what he can do. Kirk just fails endlessly.


I remember seeing a video of Metallica hanging outside a trailer of a Metallica tribute band playing Creeping Death, and James says something like "I'm not used to hearing this song played in time.........sounds good!"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2017, 10:31:22 AM
To be fair - James also admits his own vocal shortcomings.

I tend to not like bands if their members are all egotistical.

It's different with Noel Gallagher though because he's admitted in the past he acts big-headed just to wind people up and he's just having fun...

I've seen plenty of interviews with Noel where its one-on-one with no audience and he's quite different.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2017, 10:34:36 AM
Oh yea, James was just trying to have fun. Pretty sure he said it directly around Lars too.

That's one of the reasons I love Devin Townsend so much. Dude has an ego the size of a pea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 28, 2017, 10:48:49 AM
I always tell myself I should check out some of the highly regarded Megadeth albums, but Dave's voice just really doesn't do it for me.

Ditto
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
I always tell myself I should check out some of the highly regarded Megadeth albums, but Dave's voice just really doesn't do it for me.

Ditto

Tri...tto ?



Also this :


That's one of the reasons I love Devin Townsend so much. Dude has an ego the size of a pea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Peace and Love on March 28, 2017, 11:21:02 AM
Yea, Lars at least sticks to what he can do. Kirk just fails endlessly.


I remember seeing a video of Metallica hanging outside a trailer of a Metallica tribute band playing Creeping Death, and James says something like "I'm not used to hearing this song played in time.........sounds good!"

Not just any old tribute band... it was Machine Head ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r4SMkCpdtY
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 28, 2017, 11:22:01 AM
Tri...tto ?

Seems like it should be a thing....that should not be
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on March 28, 2017, 11:30:04 AM
To be fair, when you suck as bad as Lars and Kirk, you kind of have to admit that you suck. :P


I definitely think Lars' drumming ability is better than Kirk's lead playing ability.

Live - Lars almost never trainwrecks a drum part but Kirk cannot nail a single solo.

Lars has been steadily getting better since around 2006 whilst Kirk has only gotten worse.


https://youtu.be/4iVOnNmVItc?t=4m26s

^ Comparison. Kirk is all over the place and Lars is mostly solid. Even throws in the double bass. He does still rush drumfills but nowhere near as bad as he used to.
This is what I saw in both shows. Lars played some double bass, but everything was stepped down a notch from the recordings. Halo on Fire was the best example of that. Otherwise he was fine, probably because he is aware of his limitations. He used the double-kick for effect, which is fine. I only heard Kirk fuck up a couple of times, but he was still pretty weak.

On a side note, it took about 40 minutes for the changeover, and half of that was spent making sure there was a wah-wah pedal every 12 feet, including around the snake-pit projection.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 28, 2017, 12:13:22 PM

I remember seeing a video of Metallica hanging outside a trailer of a Metallica tribute band playing Creeping Death, and James says something like "I'm not used to hearing this song played in time.........sounds good!"

HAHAHA, I love that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on March 29, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Pre-ordered it the night after the concert, and it is finally here...  :metal

(https://up-1.cdn-fullscreendirect.com/production/photos/7549/medium/20170224_225048_7549_970247.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2017, 08:46:14 AM
Other than the sideways faces are reminiscent of Beavis and Butthead, that's one badass picture.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 01, 2017, 06:00:39 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSXKA89gra7/




:lol Joke Setlist
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2017, 06:06:27 PM
That Setlist, at least like 80% of it is actually great to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 01, 2017, 06:12:33 PM
Yeah I wish they'd actually play My World.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2017, 06:16:32 PM
Honestly though...

Spit out the Bone?
Jump in the Fire?
Fixxxer?
Disappear?
Unforgiven Medley?
Eye of the Beholder?
Better Than You?
- Human?
Mama Said?

Hell yes!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 01, 2017, 09:25:42 PM
Spit out the Bone, Fixxxer, and all three Unforgivens back to back would actually be pretty incredible to hear live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
What do you guys think would happen if Metallica put out a setlist of their much lesser played songs, such as......

Motorbreath
Phantom Lord
Call of Ktulu
The Thing that Should Not Be
Disposable Heroes
Dyers Eve
My Friend of Misery
Holier Than Thou
Mama Said
Thorn Within
2x4
House Jack Built
Devil's Dance
Unforgiven II
Fixxxer
Where the Wild Things Are
I Disappear
 etc.


Not that exact setlist, not that order, but that basic idea. As opposed to the standard songs at every show.

So if they did a tour of that, and announced ahead of time exactly what songs would be played (so no one goes expecting Puppets and Matters and Sandman), do you think it will be a significantly lower fan turn out?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 02, 2017, 03:03:09 AM
That would be phenomenal.  I'd be there without any hesitation. Even more so given the fact that they've been my favorite band for 19 years and I've only seen em 3 times hahaha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on April 02, 2017, 04:33:31 AM
Yeah, I'd go see them instantly. Such a tour would be awesome. I've only seen Metallica once, and I'm nowhere near the big fan I was a few years ago, but I wouldn't want to miss something like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on April 02, 2017, 10:43:52 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSXKA89gra7/




:lol Joke Setlist
Only April Fools' joke that got me this year. I'd be so hyped if they actually played it, almost all songs there (Except Better than You and Ronnie) are songs I'd want to hear live. Minus Human, for fuck's sake :metal

Remember when they played Carpe Diem Baby?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2017, 10:44:44 AM
I think it says a lot about Metallica that they consider those songs to be the joke setlist.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
I wouldn't call it a 100% "joke" setlist...

More like a fake setlist. They've played a bunch of those songs a few times...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2017, 10:48:30 AM
I wouldn't call it a 100% "joke" setlist...

:lol Joke Setlist


Sorry, had to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2017, 10:54:41 AM
Yes yes.

The setlist is a "joke" but I don't think they think of every song on that list as a joke song that they'll obviously never play.

Pretty sure they'll play Spit Out The Bone at some point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 02, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
Yeah, that set is actually awesome, haha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 03, 2017, 06:48:22 AM
I do love how Murder One is on it, like the band knows that is the most disliked song from the new album  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2017, 09:09:54 AM
If Murder One was on Death Magnetic it would have been one of the better songs on it.

Easily better than Judas, End of the line, Unforgiven 3. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 03, 2017, 09:44:44 AM
Totally disagree personally, easiley still would have been the worst on that album to me. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
I've never understood the love for Unforgiven III. Easily the worst song on DM *and* worst Unforgiven by a long long way - for me.

- - - - - -

I listened to a song from DM the other day and put on Dream No More afterwards :p

The difference was like listening to any song from And Justice For All and then listening to Sad But True from The Black Album.

Production wise - there's just no contest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Train of Naught on April 03, 2017, 10:08:06 AM
The difference was like listening to any song from And Justice For All and then listening to Sad But True from The Black Album.
That's pretty accurate. Sad But True is mediocre and any song from AJFA is great, similar to how Dream No More is eh and Death Magnetic is awesome, I agree wholeheartedly
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2017, 10:20:30 AM
k guy  :\

You knew full well I was talking about the production value but ok.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2017, 01:08:44 PM
If Murder One was on Death Magnetic it would have been one of the better songs on it.

Easily better than Judas, End of the line, Unforgiven 3. . .

No way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2017, 01:20:06 PM
If Murder One was on Death Magnetic it would have been one of the better songs on it.

Easily better than Judas, End of the line, Unforgiven 3. . .

No way.


Way. Unforgiven 3 is terrible but it's still better than all 4 songs on Beyond Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
I'm not in love with U3 but I don't think it's terrible at all. Beyond Magnetic does nothing for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2017, 01:37:18 PM
I do think they went with the best songs for the main album.

Everything on Beyond just sounds so un-finished.

Just A Bullet Away is such a missed opportunity. The verses are awesome but everything else is just ehhhh. It has NO chorus and then just sort ...of......ends.

Hell And Back sounds like the song you write in a band that you know is really weak but you keep playing it anyway to make up your set

and you try really hard with the vocals but it sounds so forced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on April 03, 2017, 08:00:21 PM
Unforgiven 3 is ok to me. I just have one problem with it and I know it's nitpicking but SERIOUSLY GUYS PUT DAT FUCKING HORN AT THE BEGINNING I MEAN COME ON

And the End of the Line is one of my favs of that album :/ Judas is pretty much forgettable... And Cyanide is forgettable too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on April 04, 2017, 01:04:00 AM
Unforgiven 3 is ok to me. I just have one problem with it and I know it's nitpicking but SERIOUSLY GUYS PUT DAT FUCKING HORN AT THE BEGINNING I MEAN COME ON

Same for me!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 04, 2017, 03:07:55 AM
I'm guessing they decided it would be an Unforgiven late in the day and stuck the horn on to give it some kind of continuity with the other 2.

Even though it sounds nothing like the other two in any other way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on April 04, 2017, 03:09:36 AM
Yeah, The Unforgiven II looked like the worst idea ever, and turned out brilliantly: same intro, same mood, wonderful heavy ballad, good lyrics and clever and not forced play of words with the title.

They should have left it at that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 04, 2017, 07:25:54 AM
I enjoy it.  Far from a great song or anything, but it's not as bad as Murder One.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on April 04, 2017, 07:38:29 AM
Back to Adami's question:

I don't think that a tour with lesser-played songs would generate lower fan turnout—not because Metallica has a bunch of fans that want to hear songs off of Load but because people are stupid and don't do their research. For every one dude who will go "Ah, not that big a fan, I'll pass" there are 1000 idiots who will buy a ticket and then bitch endlessly that the band didn't play Enter Sandman.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 04, 2017, 07:42:43 AM
^ yup pretty much.  That's exactly what happened with Iron Maiden when they performed all of A Matter of Life and Death.  People were pissed, at least here in the US when they didn't hear the classic.

I do think it would be awesome if they did such a thing, although maybe not the fake setlist, but more obscure songs that are at least well liked by the general fan base that don't get played much and also keep a few of the classics to satisfy the fans who came to see those songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on April 04, 2017, 05:53:31 PM


I do think it would be awesome if they did such a thing, although maybe not the fake setlist, but more obscure songs that are at least well liked by the general fan base that don't get played much and also keep a few of the classics to satisfy the fans who came to see those songs.

Yep.  Keep Enter Sandman, One and Master of Puppets for the casual fans, and then go obscure the rest of the way. 

I still feel lucky that the one time I saw them, they actually played Of Wolf and Men. :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2017, 01:03:46 AM
The one time I saw them I got The Call of Ktulu, even better  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2017, 07:57:11 AM


I do think it would be awesome if they did such a thing, although maybe not the fake setlist, but more obscure songs that are at least well liked by the general fan base that don't get played much and also keep a few of the classics to satisfy the fans who came to see those songs.

Yep.  Keep Enter Sandman, One and Master of Puppets for the casual fans, and then go obscure the rest of the way. 

I still feel lucky that the one time I saw them, they actually played Of Wolf and Men. :metal :metal

In fairness, they kinda opened the door for this a couple years back when they did the "by request" shows. But of course, since the majority of fans want to hear the classics, most sets ended up with the usual.

Overall though, I agree I've love to see the band do a "deep cuts" tour where they specifically play lesser-played tunes. That would be really, really fun.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 10:00:55 AM
They could do a club tour of "No Staples!!" And do ninety minute sets.

No elaborate stage. Do more dates to make up for it.

They would DEFINITELY sell out.

Plus the downloads of the gigs would probably be very popular too.

They could do it after the HTSD cycle is over and before writing begins.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2017, 10:05:16 AM
Do more dates to make up for it.

I think that's the major reason why they wouldnt do such a thing, at least on a large scale.  Just reality of their old age and them specifically saying they don't want to tour as much, hence the huge stadium shows. 

I personally would love it though, however if we thought the ticket prices for the current tour were expensive...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 05, 2017, 10:06:48 AM
Based on all the BTS and those rehearsal vids, it seems most likely that the key member pushing the standard setlists is actually James. He shows no interest in playing other songs, and argues with Lars when Lars tries to incorporate other things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 10:21:46 AM
Yeah there's a BTS video for the DM tour and Lars is like

I'm bored of everything. Let's play something new...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 05, 2017, 10:24:18 AM
Yeah there's a BTS video for the DM tour and Lars is like

I'm bored of everything. Let's play something new...

Even new ones too. Lars is pushing for different songs, James is like "Nah, let's do Creeping Death!"

And when they do play songs like Whiskey or Unforgiven II, you can just see James is pretty unhappy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on April 05, 2017, 10:28:33 AM
I'd love to see them play UII and UIII live. I think all three are great and definitely rate them higher than anything on the newest album  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2017, 11:00:29 AM
Do more dates to make up for it.

I think that's the major reason why they wouldnt do such a thing, at least on a large scale.  Just reality of their old age and them specifically saying they don't want to tour as much, hence the huge stadium shows. 

I personally would love it though, however if we thought the ticket prices for the current tour were expensive...

Yep, that's the main reason. They are far more likely, at this point in their career, to do fewer, large scale shows as opposed to more, smaller scale shows. But one can dream...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on April 05, 2017, 11:25:27 AM
It's not like these guys are sleeping in tour busses. Their idea of touring is more like a vacation. I'm sure there are times that they'd rather be at home sleeping in their own beds, but they're still living an insanely comfortable life on the road.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 11:29:44 AM

Yep, that's the main reason. They are far more likely, at this point in their career, to do fewer, large scale shows as opposed to more, smaller scale shows. But one can dream...

Also my reasoning was that a club show would require almost zero production so they'd save a ton of money there too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
It's not like these guys are sleeping in tour busses. Their idea of touring is more like a vacation. I'm sure there are times that they'd rather be at home sleeping in their own beds, but they're still living an insanely comfortable life on the road.

Yeah a vacation which lasts several months and the only work you have to do is like 2 hours a day doing what you love.

And they don't even play live every day. It's like 3 times a week for 2 months then 2 months off tour for two months etc...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2017, 11:34:33 AM
It's not like these guys are sleeping in tour busses. Their idea of touring is more like a vacation. I'm sure there are times that they'd rather be at home sleeping in their own beds, but they're still living an insanely comfortable life on the road.

For sure, I'm guessing the "let's play less shows per year" thing (I think they limit themselves to 50 a year now or something like that), probably has more to do with (1) the physicality required to pull of a Metallica show (especially in regards to James' voice) and (2) being able to see their families.

Also my reasoning was that a club show would require almost zero production so they'd save a ton of money there too.

Totally with you on that, seeing that band in a stripped down setting like that would be great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on April 05, 2017, 11:54:30 AM
Pretty sure they take their families on the road with them. At least as schooling would permit (don't know the ages of their various kiddos). However, the physicality of their shows is a valid point. That is a pretty active 2.5 hr job. And to be clear, I don't fault them for wanting to tour their own way. Fifty dates a year sounds like a good way to do it. I'm just not shedding any tears for them when they play Turn the Page.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
Their kids are all teens now.

Lars youngest was born at the time of Some Kind Of Monster and that was 15 years ago.

Also Cali - James daughter was around 9 at that time so...

EDIT - Castor is 16 and Cali is 18.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
Well, touring is a bit more than playing 2 hours at night, there's still the traveling, the soundcheck, eventual press, finding something to do in the idle hours etc... at those levels it can still be fun but definitively it's no vacation with 2 hours of playing.

About a small club show, I think the logistics would be a nightmare. There are stadium shows that sell out in a dozen minutes, the server that would host the site where to purchase the tickets should be made of adamantium to hold all the accesses that people would do for a mere 1000 or 2000 slots. And then bringing the huge Metallica machine into a small club (ok, you strip down everything, but still)... I don't see it happening, glad to be proven wrong however.

I guess the gimmick where everything catches fire during Enter Sandman and then they have to play the encore on a reduced stage with just two lights like it was back in the day it's the most "small club feel" they'll ever get.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 12:17:18 PM
They played some very small venues the week that HTSD was released.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
Pretty sure they take their families on the road with them. At least as schooling would permit (don't know the ages of their various kiddos). However, the physicality of their shows is a valid point. That is a pretty active 2.5 hr job. And to be clear, I don't fault them for wanting to tour their own way. Fifty dates a year sounds like a good way to do it. I'm just not shedding any tears for them when they play Turn the Page.

Good call, I'm sure they do take the kiddos out when possible. Like Kotow said, I think they are all teens and up now. The physicality is probably the main reason. And good call on Turn the Page, kinda loses a little bit when they don't tour as much and when they do, it's only for like 2 weeks and then off for a month.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
Yea they played Webster Hall in NYC some months back, which is an insanely small place for them to be playing.  I dont think those tickets ever went on sale publicly, like there was a special way to get a ticket to that event and then the second hand market blew up to something insane to get one.  I think it's definitely possible for them to be able to do such a tour, but highly unlikely since it just makes little sense for them to do it on any large scale besides a show here or there, specifically for promotion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 05, 2017, 12:26:22 PM
How about this...

Fan club shows, like 4-5 in major cities of no classics. Film a DVD of it for the rest of us.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2017, 12:30:20 PM
Adami for president! :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
Adami for president! :clap:

:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2017, 12:35:55 PM
Adami for president! :clap:

:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.

Isn't that the way it works in politics?  :lol  Actually I must have typed out that idea a few times but never actually posted it for whatever reason.  I think it just makes a lot of sense for everyone who wants to see deep cuts live.

Another maybe more realistic idea is for Metallica to just rotate one odd ball song in/out of the setlist every night of the NA tour and then release a compilation live album of just those songs.

And the most realistic would be to just forget those songs ever existed except on the albums  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on April 05, 2017, 02:06:33 PM
Adami for president! :clap:

:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.

Well, I was all about the no classics shows beforehand.

But as a good gesture, you can be my head secretary of coattails.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 05, 2017, 02:09:11 PM
Adami for president! :clap:

:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.

Well, I was all about the no classics shows beforehand.

But as a good gesture, you can be my head secretary of coattails.

I ...DO...enjoy coats... :emo:

I just bought like 3 second hand jackets recently from charity shops...  :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 13, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
 Ride The Lightning from Mexico City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfys9Moz4Io)


I'd wait a month between live videos if they're all this quality.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 17, 2017, 07:24:29 AM
Ride The Lightning from Mexico City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfys9Moz4Io)


I'd wait a month between live videos if they're all this quality.

Yeah, they posted a couple from the Mexico City shows, mixed by different people than usual, and they sound waaaaaayyyyy better than usual LiveMet mixes.

Dream No More sounds so good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huwbzOboWDw

Like I said, way better quality than the usual mixes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 17, 2017, 03:08:51 PM
 FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrOMWWZza-M)

0:36 When James yells the title - he sounds like 1989 James  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 17, 2017, 06:53:43 PM
FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrOMWWZza-M)

0:36 When James yells the title - he sounds like 1989 James  :biggrin:

 :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on April 17, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
God damn. That was some hairy shit. At :27 you see the crowd shifting hard to the right. There are ~17.5k people in that front section and when it starts to move you're just trying to stay afloat.

Also, it never shows the onscreen graphics but they were really good with that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2017, 02:11:40 PM
https://t.co/GyFpvL8bB9

METALLICA to release Webster hall Concert on Triple Vinyl !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 01, 2017, 02:27:18 PM
https://t.co/GyFpvL8bB9

METALLICA to release Webster hall Concert on Triple Vinyl !

That's cool. Is that the one Greg mixed that was way better than usual? Also - great set list at that show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
Is it just on vinyl? DVD maybe too?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2017, 02:38:32 PM
MikeyD & Adami

^ Yes and Yes.

It would be a nice collectible but it's $40 so around £30 plus postage so a lil bit much for me. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2017, 02:44:09 PM
Cool for the collectors, but does nothing to me if there is no DVD/Blu-Ray.  That's a cool setlist in a small venue that I frequent so I'd love to watch it, but I have little interest in collecting Vinyl personally.  Also cool that it does come with a digital download though, I'd rather that, but not for the price.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 03, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
Can someone tell me what Death Magnetic Unloaded is that I've seen on the internet?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2017, 02:11:54 PM
Never heard of it !

I know there's the Moderus III mix - which was ok until Metallica released the iTunes Remaster - which is far superior...

Mod Prime - the guy who made the Guitar Hero remix acts like he's hot shit on the Metallica Forum and acts like he's a moderator...

Nasty person.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 03, 2017, 06:36:19 PM
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 03, 2017, 06:44:56 PM
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D

I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 03, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D

I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.

Oh I was already going to the show, had floor tickets for me and my cousin. I'm not sure if this contest I won is new tickets or just an upgrade though, so my original tickets might now be expendable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 03, 2017, 07:02:56 PM
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D

I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.

Oh I was already going to the show, had floor tickets for me and my cousin. I'm not sure if this contest I won is new tickets or just an upgrade though, so my original tickets might now be expendable.

Well if you get hung with two extra, let me know.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 04, 2017, 06:32:40 AM
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D

I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.

Oh I was already going to the show, had floor tickets for me and my cousin. I'm not sure if this contest I won is new tickets or just an upgrade though, so my original tickets might now be expendable.

Well if you get hung with two extra, let me know.

I think Snake Pit passes are just upgrades, ie, you still need your tickets to get into the show. In any event, congrats axeman! I was going for those and the Meet and Greets as well, and did not get either :( but good to hear at least someone actually wins haha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 04, 2017, 07:11:22 AM
Dude that's freaking awesome... This is the snake pit:

(https://turkgitar.net/images/haber/snake-pit-metallica.jpg)

Basically the area closest to the stage enclosed by the front of the main stage and catwalk that goes out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2017, 07:50:20 AM
Thats amazing if you won those tickets.  Congrats, you are in for one hell of an experience  :metal :metal

Anyone here going to the NJ show at Metlife?  My friend who is going with me may not be able to make it now so I may have a ticket.  He's getting a minor surgery this Friday so he just doesn't know if he'll be good to go by the next weekend.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 04, 2017, 08:50:43 AM
Awww yes :metal :metal :metal That's what I first thought it was, but didn't want to get my hopes up too much and then get there and find out it's some tent off to the side with free energy drinks or some bullshit like that :lol I'm going to the show with my cousin, thinking I won't tell him about this until we get there as a fun little surprise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 04, 2017, 09:34:42 AM
Awww yes :metal :metal :metal That's what I first thought it was, but didn't want to get my hopes up too much and then get there and find out it's some tent off to the side with free energy drinks or some bullshit like that :lol I'm going to the show with my cousin, thinking I won't tell him about this until we get there as a fun little surprise.

Haha, definitely not a tent! You'll have an incredible perspective. Have fun!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 04, 2017, 01:33:42 PM
Congratulations!  I was gonna go to the NJ show until I realized it was on Mother's Day.  My wife would've killed me.  So, instead, I'm going to Philly next Friday to meet up with some friends and go to the show.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 04, 2017, 07:12:51 PM
An advert for a TM contest suggests that they are only upgrades.

Quote
    Top Prize A pair of the best seats in the house, backstage passes to meet members of the band before the show and a signed pair of Lars’ drum sticks used on the tour
    2nd Prize A pair of the best seats in the house, pre-show party passes including the Memory Remains exhibit of band memorabilia, food and beverage, the t-shirt of your choice and a limited edition tour poster
    3rd Prize A pair of the best seats in the house (Three more winners!)
    4th Prize A pair of floor tickets and Snake Pit Passes (Five more winners!)

Plus one lucky grand prize winner chosen from all entries on the tour will get to fly on a private plane with a band member to a gig!
At the shows I went to there was a dedicated entrance to the snake pit behind the stage, so I doubt the location of your actual seats matter. Were it me I'd [after confirming premise] scalp the fairly expensive floor tickets, buy the cheapest seats in the house, use the profits to party like a motherfucker. Or, if I lived down the proverbial street from Tim [after confirming premise] tell him to buy the cheapest seats in the house and then swap them out so-as to offer up a very generous upgrade. That would have the added benefit of surprising your cousin even further. "Eh, they're cheap nosebleed seats, see."

One thing I don't get from that contest is what the "best seats in the house" are supposed to be, since they're clearly intended to be better than the snake pit. Good lowers wouldn't be. Neither is the on-stage VIP. They had plenty of VIP seating out at the sound-board area, but those wouldn't compare with the snake pit. Not sure what they're getting at.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2017, 08:14:51 AM
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 11, 2017, 08:25:15 AM
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday  :metal
I'm not gonna complain.  Okay, maybe I am a little.  Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!?  I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time.  But, geez!  If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven".  Overall, pretty good setlist.  Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 11, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday  :metal
I'm not gonna complain.  Okay, maybe I am a little.  Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!?  I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time.  But, geez!  If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven".  Overall, pretty good setlist.  Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
Having never seen them before, I am ok with a black album heavy hitter setlist.  Of course I'd like more rare songs, but out of the rotation of songs they typically choose from, I am cool with songs like Sad but True and The Unforgiven for my first time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 11, 2017, 10:02:05 AM
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I think it's cool that they played five songs from Hardwired... last night. I feel like they didn't play as many new songs when they were touring behind St. Anger or Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on May 11, 2017, 11:31:54 AM
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday  :metal
I'm not gonna complain.  Okay, maybe I am a little.  Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!?  I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time.  But, geez!  If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven".  Overall, pretty good setlist.  Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.

Sad, but true.  :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 11, 2017, 11:33:52 AM
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I think it's cool that they played five songs from Hardwired... last night. I feel like they didn't play as many new songs when they were touring behind St. Anger or Death Magnetic.
When touring for St. Anger, I think only "Frantic" and "St. Anger" were represented on a regular basis.  As far as for Death Magnetic, they usually played 5-6 songs a night from the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 11:49:55 AM
Yeah about that - also every single song from DM was played at least once.

Although I don't remember Suicide & Redemption getting played that often.



EDIT : “SUICIDE & REDEMPTION” HAS BEEN PERFORMED LIVE 2 TIMES
THE SONG WAS FIRST PLAYED LIVE ON JULY 27, 2009 IN COPENHAGEN, DENMARK
IT WAS LAST PERFORMED ON DECEMBER 9, 2011 IN SAN FRANCISCO, CA, UNITED STATES
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday  :metal
I'm not gonna complain.  Okay, maybe I am a little.  Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!?  I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time.  But, geez!  If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven".  Overall, pretty good setlist.  Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.



Wait what ?! The black album is your least favourite album when they have Saint Anger in their discography ?

Are you saying you prefer Saint Anger to The Black Album ?







EDIT : Every concert from Baltimore MD onwards will now be mixed by Greg Fidelman.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 11, 2017, 03:35:58 PM
Hadn't remembered them playing so many tracks from DM live. Even still, glad to see they're devoting a decent chunk of the setlist to Hardwired. Fingers crossed for Halo on Fire next week. Speaking of, got the details for the contest winnings and there will be two floor tickets plus snake pit wristbands for me at will call, so TAC let me know if you want to work out something for the tickets I already have.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 12, 2017, 06:24:37 AM
EDIT : Every concert from Baltimore MD onwards will now be mixed by Greg Fidelman.

Wow, that's huge.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 12, 2017, 08:47:28 AM
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday  :metal
I'm not gonna complain.  Okay, maybe I am a little.  Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!?  I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time.  But, geez!  If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven".  Overall, pretty good setlist.  Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.



Wait what ?! The black album is your least favourite album when they have Saint Anger in their discography ?

Are you saying you prefer Saint Anger to The Black Album ?
Well, I generally ignore SA. I can say that they're both my least listened to albums. Although, SA the song might be better than anything on TBA from my point of view, and the sort of live DVD that came with it is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 12, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
Well, I generally ignore SA. I can say that they're both my least listened to albums. Although, SA the song might be better than anything on TBA from my point of view, and the sort of live DVD that came with it is pretty good.

To each his own, but wow, that's definitely a unique point of view.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
Saint Anger - the song is a four minute song played twice.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
EDIT : Every concert from Baltimore MD onwards will now be mixed by Greg Fidelman.

Wow, that's huge.

Yeah like a proper live CD for every gig.

Fidelman is their new Bob Rock. He's been around since Death Magnetic time and now does everything with them.

I'd be shocked if Greg didn't produce the next Metallica studio album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 12, 2017, 05:37:41 PM
I'm well established as preferring St. Anger to TBA.   

But to be honest, I think the first two tracks are the weakest.  Some Kind of Monster is amazing.  The rest of the album just kicks my ass every time. 

(I prefer the live DVD versions over the actual CD, but...  :mehlin )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2017, 05:39:12 PM
I love My World but can't stand All Within My Hands.

Out of all of them it sounds the most made up on the spot and rushed.

My World is begging to be played live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 12, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
I love My World

....you can't have it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2017, 05:41:16 PM
The 3/4 section with the main riff is just amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 12, 2017, 06:07:35 PM
I love My World but can't stand All Within My Hands.

Out of all of them it sounds the most made up on the spot and rushed.

My World is begging to be played live.

Agreed.   Fantastic song.  One of my favorites from that album.   Shoot Me Again, Dirty Window, Sweet Amber and Invisible Kid should all make a rotation as well as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 13, 2017, 04:15:15 AM
The songs on that album have amazing energy. And I don't mean in a hippy way.

They're amazing fun to play on drums.

I wish they bought that energy and joy of jamming in a room together to Death Magnetic.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DragonAttack on May 14, 2017, 09:05:35 AM
Not a fan, but appreciate what they've done.  As to the current tour, had they performed in Balto on a Thurs-Sat night when it was a tad warmer, I was going to attend.  As is, FWIW, a very good review with some footage of Wednesday's show

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/live-reviews/metallica-kick-off-tour-with-larger-than-life-spectacle-w481822

(damn....that's one massive video backdrop)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2017, 09:18:18 AM
Metallica tonight!!! First time ever, been a fan since I was a kid making them the band I've liked the longest but never saw live  :metal :metal

Weather today is currently beautiful, still supposed to rain this evening though.  However...

I got a suite ticket!  My big banker friend mentioned a week ago that the bank he works for (one of the biggest in the US) has a suite at Metlife stadium and the tickets were available to him but he needed his wife's permission to attend first... which he got apparently and notified us last night that he got us tickets as well   :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 14, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2017, 09:25:52 AM
Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!

Thanks that's awesome, what year?  I can't believe it took this long to see them and I was actually on the borderline of even being able to go since I've been sick all week, but I feel great today.  Sadly no booze for me tonight though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 14, 2017, 09:32:28 AM
Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!

Thanks that's awesome, what year? 

June 26, 1988. It was The Monsters Of Rock Tour (Van Halen, Scorps, Dokken, Metallica, Kingdom Come)

Here's a pic I took while Metallica were on stage.

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/MOR.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/MOR.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
Wow what a concert line up  :metal

Forgot until I saw that pic that you'd likely have been to the old Giants stadium.  I had never seen a concert there before, only football (and until tonight, same with Metlife stadium). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 14, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
Also saw Metallica at the Brendan Byrne Arena the following year.

Forgot until I saw that pic that you'd likely have been to the old Giants stadium.   

Yeah, well considering the post 5 minutes earlier...

Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!

...probably best you stay off the booze! ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2017, 09:49:56 AM
I pretty much still call it Giants stadium, like many in NJ who are Giants fans (Jets fans will never call it that), so I just glossed right over that  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 15, 2017, 12:04:07 AM
Amazing show tonight as usual. Metallica is still the best live band I have ever seen (although that may change this summer when I go to see Iron Maiden).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on May 15, 2017, 05:03:00 AM
Yesterday I was doing some yard work and I put on Hardwird, I can't get over how good the album is. Am I Savage? is a top 5 all time Metallica song for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 15, 2017, 07:21:31 AM
Yesterday I was doing some yard work and I put on Hardwird, I can't get over how good the album is. Am I Savage? is a top 5 all time Metallica song for me.

Great, underrated tune on the new record for sure.


Cramx - hope you had a good time at the show!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2017, 07:51:20 AM
Yea show was fantastic.  Avenged were awesome, too short of a set though, and then Metallica rocked the place.  It was pretty packed for them.  I watched from a luxurious suite with free food (amazing mac and cheese).  Got to say that Metallica's sound was pretty muddy and they must have messed up at least once in every song, but otherwise were a ton of fun and brought the energy.  Got pretty much the same setlist from the first couple shows so no real surprises overall. 

Wherever I May Roam - Live Metlife Stadium (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN5E19eJVkw)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 15, 2017, 08:23:10 AM
Saw them on Friday in Philly.  They put on a really good show.  We got "Creeping Death" instead of "Fuel", which made me happy.  It's not a Metallica show without getting to chant "Die... Die... Die... Mother F'er Die!" 

I was a little bummed that A7X didn't play.  But, it meant I had more time to hang out and drink with my friends beforehand.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 15, 2017, 10:36:46 AM
Good stuff guys.

They posted the first LiveMet stuff from this tour, Atlas Rise in Baltimore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=371&v=wg3oaAFUbZ4

With Greg and his team handling the audio, the LiveMet stuff is sounding really, really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2017, 11:49:30 AM
After the tour it might be cool to find the best performances of each of the HTSD songs and make

a Hardwired to Self Destruct live album.

:)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
After the tour it might be cool to find the best performances of each of the HTSD songs and make

a Hardwired to Self Destruct live album.

:)


Where Kirk redubs his solos.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2017, 12:15:35 PM
After the tour it might be cool to find the best performances of each of the HTSD songs and make

a Hardwired to Self Destruct live album.

:)


Where Kirk redubs his solos.

Judging by last nights performance, going to need more than that  :lol  I honestly don't care about mess ups and whatnot because I think it adds to the live experience, but my friend who hardly listens to music or go to concerts, but knows the Metallica hits, even commented about how poorly they performed the songs. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 15, 2017, 12:19:55 PM
Really? That's interesting, it seems like they have been pretty tight as of late (by Metallica standards).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
I really really enjoyed the concert, a ton of fun, so not trying to be a negative nancy, but it was probably the worst performance I had seen since Van Halen with DLR not attempting to sing two years ago  :lol  It really took nothing away from the show, but there were timing issues it seemed.  I really think it was Lars and Kirk just messing up here and there, James sounded great.  Bass was mostly inaudible. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 15, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
I really really enjoyed the concert, a ton of fun, so not trying to be a negative nancy, but it was probably the worst performance I had seen since Van Halen with DLR not attempting to sing two years ago  :lol  It really took nothing away from the show, but there were timing issues it seemed.  I really think it was Lars and Kirk just messing up here and there, James sounded great.  Bass was mostly inaudible.

Ah, yes. That all sounds about right in that case  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2017, 12:41:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXf5q65ZvDs

James interviewed by a kid. This is awesome. James is a good dude.  :laugh: :laugh:

I think going to rehab and band therapy was the best thing he ever did. He's so much more chilled and down to earth ever since SKOM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2017, 03:23:38 PM
ALSO :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JUtF0NFYLQ

Motorbreath from Philadelphia :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2017, 03:47:49 PM
That's awesome. Love Kill 'Em All!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2017, 04:03:28 PM
All the songs on Kill sound much better live since Kill Em All has no balls and James couldnt sing yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
All the songs on Kill sound much better live since Kill Em All has no balls and James couldnt sing yet.

Oh yeah, but it's still my favorite Metallica album. You should've heard it when it was released. Game changing.
Anyway, I agree with what you say about it. I love the Dehaan version. I listen to that all the time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 15, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
The vocals on Metal Militia live from the Hardwired bonus tracks are absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2017, 04:38:35 AM
Yeah I wish James wouldn't do falsetto.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 16, 2017, 07:36:47 AM
Shortened version of Now That We're Dead on Colbert last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye9Ard5P0oY

Good performance!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2017, 09:36:20 AM
The guitars always sound so thin and ropey when it's a tv show.

But James is sounding pretty good and his dyed hair makes him look younger I think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 16, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
The guitars always sound so thin and ropey when it's a tv show.

But James is sounding pretty good and his dyed hair makes him look younger I think.

Yup, the guitars on these recent LiveMet shows are so much better though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 16, 2017, 05:27:49 PM
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was

And has played on half of the studio albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 16, 2017, 11:00:35 PM
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was

And has played on half of the studio albums.

That's probably why it feels like he's been in the band half the length of Newsted (to me, at least)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 17, 2017, 09:46:20 AM
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was

And has played on half of the studio albums.

That's probably why it feels like he's been in the band half the length of Newsted (to me, at least)

Yup, agreed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on May 17, 2017, 11:26:43 AM
Rob has been seriously underutilized IMO. He is arguably the best bassist they've had and he's hardly had any chances to use his talent on record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 17, 2017, 12:24:18 PM
I think if they gave him a bass solo it would be like " forget about cliff - heres rob !! "

Also he's more of a funk bass player and I can't imagine them having any slap pop any time soon.

The clean intro to ManUnKind is Rob though.

He's got more credits on Hardwired than Kirk ( 0 )... :P

Plus if you watch the making of HTSD - Rob is there all the time giving suggestions and chipping in.




Also : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U070ZXMGAwA

Halo On Fire :2metal:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2017, 12:33:52 PM
Also : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U070ZXMGAwA

Halo On Fire :2metal:
:metal

Also, if anyone is interested, I uploaded all my clips from the concert to make one long video.
 It appears people like this video way more than my video of Wherever I May Roam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a8cBDi9kVc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a8cBDi9kVc)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 17, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
Great Halo performance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 17, 2017, 12:51:59 PM
Great Halo performance.

Yes. I'm not sure about the live intro but it's alright.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
Great Halo performance.

Yes. I'm not sure about the live intro but it's alright.

I thought the intro was cool
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on May 17, 2017, 03:25:03 PM
Damn that mixing is huge. The drums sound fucking amazing.  :metal Better than on the last two DT albums and live releases.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 18, 2017, 06:46:34 AM
Damn that mixing is huge. The drums sound fucking amazing.  :metal Better than on the last two DT albums and live releases.

It is sounding really high quality. They said the team that mixed HWtSD would be mixing all the LiveMet and/or MetonTour stuff for this NA tour run, I'm guessing that doesn't mean Greg himself is actually mixing everything but his team of engineers is and I'm sure Greg is overseeing it and signing off on mixes.

The difference in audio quality between these recent releases and previous LiveMet stuff is night and day. So, so much better. Between the audio and video quality, they are almost basically putting out DVD/Blu Ray official release quality stuff for every show, pretty impressive.

For the drums it definitely sounds like they are reinforcing the kit (especially the kick and snare) with samples and blending those with the live sound, the cymbals sound good too, nice and present. The guitars and bass are all AxeFx, so they should be able to get really good direct signals from those. The vocals sound like they have a good mix of compression, EQ, and reverb.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 18, 2017, 06:49:39 AM
Greg said there are drum samples on the album but not to the point where if you muted them

the drum sound was suddenly disappear.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 18, 2017, 06:50:23 AM
Greg said there are drum samples on the album but not to the point where if you muted them

the drum sound was suddenly disappear.

Right. I'm talking about the LiveMet audio his team is doing, not the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2017, 06:50:50 AM
Kind of wishing I went to that concert out in Long Island last night, a more unique (not by much though) setlist and they performed in the round.  They released more tickets the other day I could have picked up a floor GA ticket but decided against it due to cost.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 18, 2017, 06:51:06 AM
just contributing to the thread
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 18, 2017, 06:56:20 AM
just contributing to the thread

Oh I know, it's all good. I was just clarifying what I was commenting on, you're good buddy.  ;)

Kind of wishing I went to that concert out in Long Island last night, a more unique (not by much though) setlist and they performed in the round.  They released more tickets the other day I could have picked up a floor GA ticket but decided against it due to cost.

Indoors would have made it a better experience, IMO, even with the same sets. But, yeah, I just looked at that set, Ride, Harvester, Welcome Home, etc... that's good stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 18, 2017, 08:34:37 AM
Fingers crossed for Halo on Fire tomorrow night, can't get over how good that song is. The outro is my favorite lead work from Kirk in a long time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 18, 2017, 08:38:13 AM
I love Halo On Fire.  But, I think Long Island got the best setlist of the tour so far.  Three from Justice.  Awesome!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2017, 08:45:55 AM
I love Halo On Fire.  But, I think Long Island got the best setlist of the tour so far.  Three from Justice.  Awesome!

I think that could be due to it being a Metallica only show.  I would suspect they go back to the more generic hit set list for the stadium shows, but maybe I am wrong.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 18, 2017, 08:59:33 AM
I love Halo On Fire.  But, I think Long Island got the best setlist of the tour so far.  Three from Justice.  Awesome!

I think that could be due to it being a Metallica only show.  I would suspect they go back to the more generic hit set list for the stadium shows, but maybe I am wrong.

I'd guess you are totally right.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 18, 2017, 09:42:29 AM
Just spent a few minutes going through the setlists so far, and this is what it's looking like for this tour:

Hardwired
Atlas Rise
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Fuel/Creeping Death/Ride the Lightning
Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Wherever I May Roam/Harvester of Sorrow
Halo on Fire/Sanitarium
Hit the Lights/Motorbreath/Whiplash/Four Horsemen
Sad But True
One
Master of Puppets
Fade to Black
Seek and Destroy
Battery/Fight Fire with Fire/Blackened
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman

In the first pivot spot I'm of course hoping for Creeping Death because that chant has got to be epic with a football stadium full of people. Probably lean towards Harvester of Sorrow at the next spot, though I'm fine with Roam as well. As much as I love Sanitarium, I really want to see Halo on Fire live so I'm hoping that was just a treat thrown in for the indoor show. I like the idea of a general KEA rotating slot, preference to Hit the Lights or Four Horsemen of what they've played so far. I also like the idea of rotating the epic thrash album openers to kick off the encore, I've seen all three live already so I'm happy with whatever I get.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 18, 2017, 11:44:44 AM
^ Good break down. They are definitely sticking to that pattern in the set, just rotating out those spots you highlighted.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 18, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
If playing a similar set each night means they are comfortable and don't f--- up a rarity then ok.

They played the same set every night on the Black Album tour and they were tight as f---.

Playing a very similar set each night means that by the end of the tour - it'll be drilled in.

On the St. Anger tour they played very different sets and they were very loose. Notoriously.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
Just spent a few minutes going through the setlists so far, and this is what it's looking like for this tour:

Hardwired
Atlas Rise
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Fuel/Creeping Death/Ride the Lightning
Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Wherever I May Roam/Harvester of Sorrow
Halo on Fire/Sanitarium
Hit the Lights/Motorbreath/Whiplash/Four Horsemen
Sad But True
One
Master of Puppets
Fade to Black
Seek and Destroy
Battery/Fight Fire with Fire/Blackened
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman

In the first pivot spot I'm of course hoping for Creeping Death because that chant has got to be epic with a football stadium full of people. Probably lean towards Harvester of Sorrow at the next spot, though I'm fine with Roam as well. As much as I love Sanitarium, I really want to see Halo on Fire live so I'm hoping that was just a treat thrown in for the indoor show. I like the idea of a general KEA rotating slot, preference to Hit the Lights or Four Horsemen of what they've played so far. I also like the idea of rotating the epic thrash album openers to kick off the encore, I've seen all three live already so I'm happy with whatever I get.

As someone who is fan enough to have every album (except Kill 'Em All and St. Anger) but not a die hard (never saw them live, yet, and haven't even bothered with Lulu, like them DESPITE being thrash, not because of it) that's a pretty goddamn good setlist. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 18, 2017, 12:01:36 PM
I have every CD even Lulu.

I have no intention of seeing them live.

I just cannot be bothered. Also they're way too expensive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 18, 2017, 01:12:24 PM
Just spent a few minutes going through the setlists so far, and this is what it's looking like for this tour:

Hardwired
Atlas Rise
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Fuel/Creeping Death/Ride the Lightning
Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Wherever I May Roam/Harvester of Sorrow
Halo on Fire/Sanitarium
Hit the Lights/Motorbreath/Whiplash/Four Horsemen
Sad But True
One
Master of Puppets
Fade to Black
Seek and Destroy
Battery/Fight Fire with Fire/Blackened
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman

In the first pivot spot I'm of course hoping for Creeping Death because that chant has got to be epic with a football stadium full of people. Probably lean towards Harvester of Sorrow at the next spot, though I'm fine with Roam as well. As much as I love Sanitarium, I really want to see Halo on Fire live so I'm hoping that was just a treat thrown in for the indoor show. I like the idea of a general KEA rotating slot, preference to Hit the Lights or Four Horsemen of what they've played so far. I also like the idea of rotating the epic thrash album openers to kick off the encore, I've seen all three live already so I'm happy with whatever I get.
Is this just US dates? I know I saw all three of Fuel/Creeping/Ride over two shows, so one, I believe Ride, can show up elsewhere. Also, is Unforgiven now permanent? I thought that was a rotating slot, as well. There were also some extra songs rotated into the Wherever and Halo slots. That said, they did 3 nights where I saw them so it's possible they just pulled out some extra songs for the third show that they haven't had to reach for in the US tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2017, 01:31:54 PM
That's just the US dates.  There's not enough data to say for sure yet, but judging by the few stadium shows so far, it seems like a fairly static setlist with only a few rotations.  My gut says the LI show last night was a little more varied due to being a Metallica only show and the fact they just played Metlife (maybe an hour drive away depending on traffic). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 18, 2017, 07:13:09 PM
It's essentially the same setlist they did in Mexico, but with a few less songs in the total pool, and they seem to have made Unforgiven and SBT static. The second part is a shame, as I really hate that whole album. I basically got Day that Never Comes, Dream No More and No Remorse as bonus songs while still getting Ride and Creeping. Not too shabby.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
The band have said not one word about Chris Cornell from what I can see.

I would love it if they played Black Hole Sun tonight.

I think James would sound great on it.

Pretty Noose would be cool too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 19, 2017, 03:53:15 PM
I've seen Fight Fire With Fire and Blackened both twice, but haven't seen Battery so that would be nice to hear.

The only song I'm desperate to hear is Spit Out The Bone. I don't care what else they play, I just want that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2017, 11:14:30 AM
Pretty much the same setlist for Boston except the one swap of a KEA* (fixed) song

Found this video on youtube from the Metlife show, I remember watching this and just laughing at the guy getting dragged off , but couldn't see James and Rob's reactions until seeing this video  :rollin
Drunk Guy Gets on Stage with Metallica (https://youtu.be/SY0Q8HLNBl0?t=1m31s)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
KEA*
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Grappler on May 20, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
The only song I'm desperate to hear is Spit Out The Bone. I don't care what else they play, I just want that song.

Damage Inc, the California-based tribute band has played it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iq_n5QJE0Q

Kirk recently said that he hopes to play Spit out the Bone this summer sometime, and that it was a "mountain" that they had to work up to climb.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 20, 2017, 12:01:07 PM
Pretty much the same setlist for Boston except the one swap of a KEM song

Found this video on youtube from the Metlife show, I remember watching this and just laughing at the guy getting dragged off , but couldn't see James and Rob's reactions until seeing this video  :rollin
Drunk Guy Gets on Stage with Metallica (https://youtu.be/SY0Q8HLNBl0?t=1m31s)
I guess lighting the flame trap behind him would have been a little over the top, but it sure would have been funny.

Looks like they added a bunch of pyro for the US tour that wasn't there for the earlier dates. Curious if it was just unavailable yet or if there were other reasons. There was nothing at stage level. Only a few shots at the top of the stage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2017, 01:38:57 PM
Yea, could be that this is a set tour unlike a few sprinkled dates around the world upon release they they upped the game for the pyros.  Avenged had so many as well, there must be a huge fuel tank somewhere
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnR6qE_5LDw

Hardwired live from Long Island :metal

James sounds so good !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on May 28, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
If anyone's wondering why Metallica has yet to play Spit out the Bone, this might shed some light...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43--szctX7Q


Maybe one day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on May 28, 2017, 11:39:30 AM
If anyone's wondering why Metallica has yet to play Spit out the Bone, this might shed some light...

Metallica Spit Out the Bone Tuning Room FOXBOROUGH May 19th 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43--szctX7Q)


Maybe one day.
"Hang up the phone!"  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 28, 2017, 06:45:34 PM
 :lol safe to say it needs some work
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on May 29, 2017, 04:50:16 AM
"Just don't read the comments!"
 
:lol

(I quite enjoyed it, to be honest!)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 29, 2017, 07:20:46 AM
:lol :lol yeah, definitely needs a bit of fine tuning. Reminds me, I finally got around to uploading a few of the pictures I grabbed at the Foxborough show last week.

Giant drum duel during Now That You're Dead
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_211951977_zpsc0ce7e4p.jpg)

Rob action shot
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_212452852_zpsckv1wlbq.jpg)

Group action shot. I think this was during Fight Fire With Fire.
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_221042522_zpsc787pomx.jpg)

Group action shot, I want to say this was Fade to Black
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_222539708_zps7xyrsnge.jpg)

Kirk in action during Seek and Destroy. Really wish I knew anything about photoshop, if that guy's hand wasn't there I feel like it'd be a pretty good picture
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_223718283_zpswuu9ln78.jpg)

Sweet video footage used for Master of Puppets. This earned the honor of being my first ever cover photo on FB
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_221545443_zpsrilqftzq.jpg)

A couple James action shots. The second one might be my favorite picture that I got
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_223200048_zpsqnyuqgw3.jpg)

(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_223458210_zpsibox3cis.jpg)

And finally, a roadie who looks suspiciously like Jordan Rudess
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_203242150_zpstewxc0g7.jpg)


All in all it was a pretty fantastic show. The band seems fairly tight (for Metallica) with the tunes, and the production values with everything are fantastic. I kind of wish I hadn't gone and looked at the other setlists ahead of time, because we got my lesser choice in a few spots (Fuel over Creeping Death, Wherever I May Roam over Harvester of Sorrow, Motorbreath in the rotating KEA slot) but it was still a pretty solid setlist. I'm just mad that I didn't pay attention to the tour dates past Boston because they were in Columbus two days later on a Sunday and I flew out to Columbus Monday for work, definitely could have had the company schedule my flight out to be on Sunday and double dipped on Metallica for the weekend.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on May 29, 2017, 08:29:44 AM
Nice to see Kirk playing Greeny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on May 29, 2017, 05:59:27 PM

Kirk in action during Seek and Destroy. Really wish I knew anything about photoshop, if that guy's hand wasn't there I feel like it'd be a pretty good picture
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_223718283_zpswuu9ln78.jpg)

Very quick and crude effort if nobody with better skills can help:
(https://i.imgur.com/7znFLQk.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2017, 06:09:05 PM
Those are great shots, Bill.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on May 29, 2017, 11:44:15 PM
Nice to see that Jordan grew his between-the-DT-tours beard. It suits him well. It's also good to have a second job.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on May 30, 2017, 07:40:14 PM
Thanks for that krands, definitely an improvement.

Those are great shots, Bill.

Thanks TAC, I did manage to take a good amount of photos, just glad that a few of them turned out OK. Had a few otherwise cool shots ruined by glare on someone's face from the lights.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2017, 07:44:38 PM
Back in my concert picture taking days, I blow a whole roll and be thrilled if I got 3 or 4 good ones. With digital, you just keep snapping.
Nothing worse than changing film in the middle of a show.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2017, 04:56:06 AM
Imagine going to a concert just to watch the band

Like - who does that?!?!

:lol

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2017, 02:00:05 PM
I don't know. I enjoyed the Justice tour and have some nice shots!

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/JH%2089_zpsmuwutium.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/JH%2089_zpsmuwutium.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/KH%2089_zps07i8gdqe.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/KH%2089_zps07i8gdqe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2017, 02:24:42 PM
And I had a blast at the Metallica show and ended up with over 30 minutes of video footage between both bands.  The whole concept of taking videos/pictures during a concert = not having fun/enjoying the show/not paying attention is complete bullshit.  It definitely is something that would be considered a pet peave and it's almost always coming from people who don't even go to concerts like my one friend who always rips on me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on May 31, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
I can definitively enjoy the concert and take pictures at the same time. I'm an amateur photographer and I've had the chance to be in the photopit and I was able to enjoy the show even when I was "working", plus it's such a nice perspective to see the band from the side or behind the stage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2017, 02:34:03 PM
And I had a blast at the Metallica show and ended up with over 30 minutes of video footage between both bands.  The whole concept of taking videos/pictures during a concert = not having fun/enjoying the show/not paying attention is complete bullshit.  It definitely is something that would be considered a pet peave and it's almost always coming from people who don't even go to concerts like my one friend who always rips on me.

I agree. You'll always have those as a souvenir.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLEuFaAU3c

Now That We're Dead - Official Live Music Video.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2017, 02:40:37 PM
Imagine going a thread to read some comments...


..and get distracted by posting videos!


Like, who does that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2017, 02:42:17 PM
:dunno:

dunno man - posting about metallica in the metallica thread doesn't seem that big of a deal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: King Postwhore on May 31, 2017, 03:42:57 PM
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_20170531_174134_zpsbsdk7yvn.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/IMG_20170531_174134_zpsbsdk7yvn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 31, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
All 10 of their albums are certified platinum. It's crazy to think that in an era of downloaded music and an emphasis on singles instead of full albums, Metallica is still selling records by the millions.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on May 31, 2017, 08:36:47 PM
Well they "sold" 165k in Mexico just by offering one copy with each ticket purchased to the show. A rather stunning cunt, actually.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 01, 2017, 01:43:13 AM
That photo is great btw.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 01, 2017, 01:53:05 AM
So I was feeling curious & re-listened to Lulu again the other day. & I have to say, I actually kind of enjoyed it. It's not spectacular or anything & it definitely has its flaws (mainly that it drags on way too much & some of the lyrics are cringeworthy), but I think now I understand what they were trying to do with that album & it's certainly not the unlistenable mess I once thought it was, at least to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 01, 2017, 02:43:47 AM
I liked it . But I listened with an open mind and not *wanting* to hate it because of "lol gramptallica" "rofl worst album ever created by anyone ever !!!!!1" nonsense.

As I keep saying - Metallica sound like Metallica and Lou Reed sounds like Lou Reed. It sounded exactly how I expected.

Also it's not even the worst Lou Reed album....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 01, 2017, 07:07:19 AM
Well they "sold" 165k in Mexico just by offering one copy with each ticket purchased to the show. A rather stunning cunt, actually.
:lol
All 10 of their albums are certified platinum. It's crazy to think that in an era of downloaded music and an emphasis on singles instead of full albums, Metallica is still selling records by the millions.
It is cool, and additionally they are doing it all on their own label - Blackened Records, they own all their own masters, etc... Basically they are the biggest indie label band ever, haha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2017, 07:23:50 AM
Yea, every concert ticket in the NA tour comes with a copy of the album.  I mean that alone is going to get you your album sales.  Not to say that Metallica hasn't proven themselves over and over again with album sales though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2017, 07:42:00 AM
I liked it . But I listened with an open mind and not *wanting* to hate it because of "lol gramptallica" "rofl worst album ever created by anyone ever !!!!!1" nonsense.

As I keep saying - Metallica sound like Metallica and Lou Reed sounds like Lou Reed. It sounded exactly how I expected.

Also it's not even the worst Lou Reed album....

Lou Reed disappeared up his own ass back in 1989 (maybe 1990).   I loved New York, and kind of liked Songs for Drella, but then I ran into him at a hotel in Charleston, SC, and he was in the pool area, with a white bathrobe on and white terry cloth slippers, eating strawberries and cream by the pool, waiting for Laurie (his wife) to get a massage... not that any of that is bad, but when I saw him, I was reading "Please Kill Me", the oral history of punk, and the book was NOT AT ALL kind to him (aside;  I didn't know that at the time. I was going to ask Lou to autograph it, but decided to leave him be and enjoy his peace.  I could picture him now telling me to shove my book up my ass) and in part because after the Velvets, he wasn't always seen as "authentic" by those on the inside.    What I saw backed that up to a degree. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 01, 2017, 07:59:48 AM
Yea, every concert ticket in the NA tour comes with a copy of the album.  I mean that alone is going to get you your album sales.  Not to say that Metallica hasn't proven themselves over and over again with album sales though.

Great marketing strategy, I guarantee they built that into the cost of tickets, meaning it made sense financially for the band (they aren't just giving away 50,000 copies on any given night). So good on them I'd say.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2017, 08:06:29 AM
Yea, I got to say, the show was worth the money IMO. It was an expensive concert, but both bands were great (I missed Volbeat) and what no one really realized was the Mix Master Mike from the Beastie Boys was the DJ in between sets.  He was actually great too.  All the fireworks and pyros.  It felt like a show worth big bucks because you can tell, it cost a lot to put on. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 01, 2017, 08:26:30 AM
Yea, I got to say, the show was worth the money IMO. It was an expensive concert, but both bands were great (I missed Volbeat) and what no one really realized was the Mix Master Mike from the Beastie Boys was the DJ in between sets.  He was actually great too.  All the fireworks and pyros.  It felt like a show worth big bucks because you can tell, it cost a lot to put on.

Yeah based on the production they are bringing out for these shows, the prices seemed about right to me. I'd happily have paid to see them but they skipped Pittsburgh on this tour, I'm still hoping they come back through NA in 2018 and do indoor arena shows or something. I bet they pull in 3 or 4 million at the door for each of these stadium shows, but I can't even begin to imagine the expenses of putting on a show of this scale.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2017, 06:46:32 AM
Interesting pattern :

80s
Kill em all
Ride the lightning
Master of Puppets
And justice for all

90s
Metallica
Load
Reload

00s
St Anger
Death Magnetic

10s
Hardwired to Self Destruct.


To keep up this pattern the next album won't be out before 2020.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2017, 07:47:23 AM
Or ever to really keep up the pattern  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on June 03, 2017, 08:37:39 AM
I don't think anybody in their right mind expected another album before 2020 anyway. And I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we never got another one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 03, 2017, 09:55:10 AM
I don't think anybody in their right mind expected another album before 2020 anyway. And I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we never got another one.

I think this is spot on. Optimistically, I'd love more studio material from the guys because I really like HWtSD, at this point I think it's my favorite since TBA, so I'd love more, but dunno. At the rate these guys work, retirement might come before a new studio album. That said, I think Metallica, Lars in particular would be open to less traditional methods of releasing music, meaning rather than releasing full albums, I think he'd be open to releasing an EP or even just individual tracks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
2021 would be my guess.

But they've said repeatedly that they're ashamed of their low output and that they always forget how much they enjoy creating and releasing new music.

Plus that 8 years was way too long.

I think late 2016 + 2.5 years touring + 2.5 years new album gestation.

Late 2021 is my conservative guess.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
Or ever to really keep up the pattern  :lol
:rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on June 03, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
I feel like I've heard a bit from here and there that for a while James has wanted to record more often. I do feel sometimes like the guy is held back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on June 03, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
I don't expect another Metallica album. I do expect them to maybe take a year off from touring at some point and you'll see a Hetfield solo album then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 04, 2017, 02:35:26 AM
I don't expect another Metallica album. I do expect them to maybe take a year off from touring at some point and you'll see a Hetfield solo album then.

I'd be more excited about a Het solo album than anything else.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on June 04, 2017, 07:05:11 AM
I feel like I've heard a bit from here and there that for a while James has wanted to record more often. I do feel sometimes like the guy is held back.

I get that feeling too, Kirk doesn't seem into it at all anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 04, 2017, 07:15:42 AM
As much as I would love a James solo album, I figure he'd have done one by now if he were going to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on June 04, 2017, 09:41:57 AM
As much as I would love a James solo album, I figure he'd have done one by now if he were going to.
I agree with this. Though I would be more interested in that than a Metallica album.

And I find Kotowboy's projected timeline extremely optimistic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 04, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
James doing a solo album would be pretty hypocritical, given all the shit that went down with jason.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on June 04, 2017, 09:52:33 AM
Fadetoblack made a good point too, isn't that essentially the reason Jason was pushed out of the band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 04, 2017, 09:57:45 AM
Fadetoblack made a good point too, isn't that essentially the reason Jason was pushed out of the band.

Yup! Though people can change. Jason's thing was what...like 16 years ago or something? James is allowed to change his perspective on things, whether or not that makes him a hypocrite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ReaperKK on June 04, 2017, 12:31:54 PM
Completely true Adami, I wouldn't hold it against James doing a solo album, I'd welcome it because I largely believe he is the driving force behind current Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on June 04, 2017, 12:48:23 PM
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. The Newstead stuff was a long time ago and I'm sure he's a different person now.

Also it took Steve Harris 30 years to make a solo album so who knows. I could see him doing something in the vein of Load/Reload, more singer songwriter type stuff like Mama Said since Metallica doesn't really do that stuff anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 04, 2017, 01:01:06 PM
I think there will be another album.

They've all said they'll keep going as long as they're physically able.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 04, 2017, 01:49:57 PM
I think there will be another album.

They've all said they'll keep going as long as they're physically able.

In that case, two of them should have stopped already.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 05, 2017, 07:31:25 AM
I feel like I've heard a bit from here and there that for a while James has wanted to record more often. I do feel sometimes like the guy is held back.

I get that feeling too, Kirk doesn't seem into it at all anymore.

He doesn't seem into it, but that wouldn't stop them from putting out another album or even probably alter the timeline to do so.

A new Metallica album comes down to two people: James and Lars. If they want to do an album, they will. Rob and Kirk will come play bass and solos and maybe throw in an idea or two. I think at this point Lars is without question, the reason for long gaps between albums. Lars is one of those guys that takes forever to do anything, is always late, etc.. everyone knows someone like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 11:46:00 AM
Have I done this before ?

Pick your favourite song from each of the 10 studio albums and one cover from Garage Inc.

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Struggle Within
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Carpe Diem Baby / Fixxxer
8. My World
9. All Nightmare Long
10. Dream No More
11. The More I See ( cover )
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 05, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
Probably, but let's do it again! Better than album rankings at least.

1. The Four Horsemen
2. Fade to Black
3. Orion
4. Dyer's Eve
5. The Unforgiven
6. Thorn Within
7. Fixxxer
8. Unnamed Feeling
9. Cyanide
10. Halo on Fire
11. Turn the Page
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
It's hard to pick a #1 from hardwired since Moth, Halo, Dream and Spit are all amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Grappler on June 05, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
Some of these are tough - I could list 5 different black album songs, depending on how I feel. 

1.  The Four Horsemen
2.  Creeping Death
3.  Disposable Heroes
4.  BLACKENED  :metal :metal :metal :metal
5.  The God That Failed
6.  Bleeding Me
7.  Fixxxer
8.  Do I have to pick one?  Fine, Frantic...for the music only. 
9.  All Nightmare Long
10. Spit Out The Bone
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 05, 2017, 12:18:17 PM
The Four Horsemen
Fade To Black
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Blackened
My Friend Of Misery
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby/Fixxxer (tie)
St. Anger
All Nightmare Long
Spit Out The Bone

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Samsara on June 05, 2017, 01:17:52 PM
Apologies in interrupting the lists, but after having a convo with the Mrs. over the weekend, I popped in LOAD for the first time in years. Nothing has really changed for me with that record. To me, it is a good hard rock record, but a difficult one to accept (even more than the Black album) coming from Metallica. However, it did spawn two songs I continue to really love:

Bleeding Me
Until it Sleeps

with an honorable mention to The Outlaw Torn.

I know it has been a decades old argument about Metallica, but they became such a different band after ...And Justice for All. Same band in name, different band in goals and direction. I think AJfA was the ultimate pinnacle just because they made what I refer to as "prog thrash," and it really took thrash as far as I think it can go. Which is the reason why i understand what they did with the Black album and the Loads. But I've never been able to really recapture my fandom of the band post-Justice.

But on Load, Bleeding Me and Until it Sleeps are just excellent hard rock songs for the ages, at least IMO. And they had something good with The Outlaw Torn as well, but it wasn't quite on the same level.

On to Re-Load...I haven't listened to that in ages. I sort of remember hearing that Fixxer is pretty good. We'll have to revisit...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 01:26:00 PM
Reload is great.

Just turn it up loud and pretend it's not the same band who made Master of Puppets.

It's a really good rock album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on June 05, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
I agree with Bleeding Me and Until it Sleeps being Load's highlights!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 05, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Master of Puppets
4. Harvester of Sorrow
5. My Friend of Misery
6. Bleeding Me
7. Fixxxer
8. Shoot Me Again
9. All Nightmare Long
10. Dream No More
11. Turn the Page
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on June 05, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
No Remorse
Fight Fire With Fire
Battery
Dyer's Eve/One
Wherever I May Roam
Bleeding Me
Where the Wild Things Are
All Within my Hands
All Nightmare Long
Spit Out the Bone
The Prince/ Astronomy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 05, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
Metal Militia
Creeping Death
Master of Puppets (toughest one to pick)
Blackened
Sad But True
King Nothing
The Unforgiven II
The Unnamed Feeling
All Nightmare Long
Dream No More
Turn the Page
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2017, 07:40:50 PM
The Four Horsemen
Fade To Black
Master Of Puppets
Blackened
Through The Never
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel
St. Anger
All Nightmare Long
Halo On Fire
Breadfan
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on June 05, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
Couldn't do just one, so runners up are in parentheses (except for ReLoad, which I never got into enough to have a definite second favorite song).

The Four Horsemen (Hit the Lights)
Fade to Black (Creeping Death)
Master of Puppets (Battery)
To Live is to Die (One)
The God That Failed (My Friend of Misery)
Outlaw Torn (Bleeding Me)
Fixxxer
The Unnamed Feeling (Sweet Amber)
All Nightmare Long (Judas Kiss)
Spit Out the Bone (Halo on Fire)
Loverman (Turn the Page)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 05, 2017, 09:24:45 PM
The Four Horsemen (easily the best song from this album)
Fade to Black (my favorite "heavy ballad" they've done)
Battery  (my favorite Metallica song)
One (one of only a few I like on the album)
Nothing Else Matters (one of the greatest songs of all time IMO, probably 2nd fave Metallica song)
Bleeding Me (GREAT fucking song off a great album)
Fixxxer (easily the best song on this album)
Invisible Kid (always loved this tune, the lyrics get me)
All Nightmare Long (this and UF3 are my top two, could really go either way. again, it's lyrics for me)
Halo on Fire (tough choice because there are about 7 GREAT songs on this album, but this one hits me hardest)
Commando (St. Anger B-Side, Ramones cover, always loved that they kept doing covers after '98, and this was one of the first I heard and loved)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 06, 2017, 07:18:40 AM
Whiplash
Creeping Death
Battery
Blackened
Wherever I May Roam
Bleeding Me
Fuel
Frantic (best of the worst, I guess)
All Nightmare Long
Halo On Fire
Breadfan
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on June 06, 2017, 07:27:02 AM
Motorbreath (The Four Horsemen comes close)
Creeping Death
Master of Puppets
One
Wherever I May Roam
Until it Sleeps
The Memory Remains (or The Unforgiven II)
St. Anger
All Nightmare Long
Halo on Fire (slightly over Spit Out the Bone)
Turn the Page
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Grappler on June 06, 2017, 07:32:57 AM
I know it has been a decades old argument about Metallica, but they became such a different band after ...And Justice for All. Same band in name, different band in goals and direction. I think AJfA was the ultimate pinnacle just because they made what I refer to as "prog thrash," and it really took thrash as far as I think it can go. Which is the reason why i understand what they did with the Black album and the Loads. But I've never been able to really recapture my fandom of the band post-Justice.

But on Load, Bleeding Me and Until it Sleeps are just excellent hard rock songs for the ages, at least IMO. And they had something good with The Outlaw Torn as well, but it wasn't quite on the same level.

On to Re-Load...I haven't listened to that in ages. I sort of remember hearing that Fixxer is pretty good. We'll have to revisit...

Load is an awesome record.  This was during the height of my teenage years and my Metallica fandom - they were my favorite band, and this was the first time that they were releasing a new album after I had become I fan sometime in 91 or 92.  I've always defended them for changing their style, and I've always loved the record.

I know that the rationale for the album was that they had to pick the songs that were the closest to being finished and release them in 1996 (They had written 30 songs) in order to get the album out prior to the Lollapallooza tour.  But Load feels much more complete than Reload does - Reload comes off as an album of leftovers to me.

There are some great songs, great riffs and grooves, awesome lyrics, and James sounds incredible on the disc.  It's not thrash, it's not crushingly heavy, but it's still heavy to me.  Much like how HITNF is still Queensryche to you, despite the stylistic change from the prior albums to then.  Load still sounds and feels like Metallica to me, even though it's far removed from the older albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 06, 2017, 07:41:26 AM
I know it has been a decades old argument about Metallica, but they became such a different band after ...And Justice for All. Same band in name, different band in goals and direction. I think AJfA was the ultimate pinnacle just because they made what I refer to as "prog thrash," and it really took thrash as far as I think it can go. Which is the reason why i understand what they did with the Black album and the Loads. But I've never been able to really recapture my fandom of the band post-Justice.

But on Load, Bleeding Me and Until it Sleeps are just excellent hard rock songs for the ages, at least IMO. And they had something good with The Outlaw Torn as well, but it wasn't quite on the same level.

On to Re-Load...I haven't listened to that in ages. I sort of remember hearing that Fixxer is pretty good. We'll have to revisit...

Load is an awesome record.  This was during the height of my teenage years and my Metallica fandom - they were my favorite band, and this was the first time that they were releasing a new album after I had become I fan sometime in 91 or 92.  I've always defended them for changing their style, and I've always loved the record.

I know that the rationale for the album was that they had to pick the songs that were the closest to being finished and release them in 1996 (They had written 30 songs) in order to get the album out prior to the Lollapallooza tour.  But Load feels much more complete than Reload does - Reload comes off as an album of leftovers to me.

There are some great songs, great riffs and grooves, awesome lyrics, and James sounds incredible on the disc.  It's not thrash, it's not crushingly heavy, but it's still heavy to me.  Much like how HITNF is still Queensryche to you, despite the stylistic change from the prior albums to then.  Load still sounds and feels like Metallica to me, even though it's far removed from the older albums.

Good post, I agree. Over the years, I've come to appreciate the Loads for what they are - cool hard rock records. Once I separated my expectations based on previous Metallica records, I found they held up pretty well on their own.

@Samsara - I don't know if I agree that the band changed direction and goals after Justice. To me, this band has always, in some way, been about (1) what the main songwriter was feeling inspired to write and (2) be the biggest band in the world. James wrote what he knew in the beginning and basically created thrash metal. RtL and MoP arguably perfected that sound and it grew into what James felt was a bloated progressive metal style on Justice (he has literally said that). So his reaction to that was to try to create simpler songs, thus TBA, along the way his influences changed and grew, and the Loads happened.

So I don't know that their goals and direction really changed, I'd argue they just changed lanes on a road, but still kept continuing in the same direction down that road.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MirrorMask on June 06, 2017, 07:41:39 AM
Load was the first album for me as a fan as well, but it fell on a particular time. The whole thing of the change of style, change of look and Napster fiasco really painted at the time Metallica as "sellouts" and they were kinda in a bad light among me and my buddies of the time.

I didn't really "hated" the album, I was just let down by it. Some songs I liked anyway even back then, and now I recognize Load as a worthy chapter in Metallica's discography. Probably without Cure and Poor Twisted Me it would have been even better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
Reload was my first Metallica release album, and I loved it.  But as I went back into the catalogue, I quickly started to not like Reload so much.  Load definitely held up better when I was a kid compared to the older material.  I can't remember the last time I listened to either album in full.  I really don't have much desire to though, I'd rather listen to S&M to hear the music of that time since they played the better songs from those two albums (for the most part).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2017, 09:10:12 AM
Load makes TBA feel like Master Of Puppets. Still, I can live with an album like Load in their discography. There's a handful of tracks that I like. But overall, that is not the type of music I'm looking for from Metallica. And other than Fuel, Reload is a coaster. I have no use for it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on June 06, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
Even back when Justice got worn in....everyone knew they had to do *something* else.   RtL MoP and AJFA all had the same format.  One more album like that would have been stale.   (Track 1 balls to the wall thrash, Track 2 epic title track, Track 3 mid-tempo stomper, Track 4 ballad...etc...etc..)

But most of the hard core thrash heads were not expecting an album we could dance too.  (Seriously....that was what we said the first time we played it.  "What is this?   I can *DANCE* to this!  WTF???!!!!")

I did grow to appreciate the album, but I wish they would have done something heavier instead.   I've often said that when Sepultura did a "change up" they released "Chaos A.D." and that wasn't a sell out at all.   If Metallica would have explored some different sounds (maybe some tribal beats) they could have released something akin to Chaos A.D. and it would have been both different AND heavy as hell, and groundbreaking. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 06, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.

Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 07, 2017, 02:55:22 AM
Yeah, blasting those records loud, The Black Album has much more ooomph to it than Justice. The heaviness of the black album lies in the more condensed and to the point riffs and not necessarily in the speed of the songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 07, 2017, 07:12:37 AM
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.

Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Azyiu on June 07, 2017, 08:47:07 AM
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.

Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.

Totally agree.

I always wonder why the band won't go back and properly remix AJFA... a better idea, with so many bands doing self-covers, why don't they re-record the entire AJFA?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 07, 2017, 08:56:26 AM
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.

Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.

Totally agree.

I always wonder why the band won't go back and properly remix AJFA... a better idea, with so many bands doing self-covers, why don't they re-record the entire AJFA?

I don't see them re-recording it (Lars would struggle even in the studio to play some of that stuff). But with this new deluxe re-issue thing they are doing through the catalog it would be the perfect time for a re-mix and remaster of the existing tracks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 07, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.

Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.

Totally agree.

I always wonder why the band won't go back and properly remix AJFA... a better idea, with so many bands doing self-covers, why don't they re-record the entire AJFA?

I don't see them re-recording it (Lars would struggle even in the studio to play some of that stuff). But with this new deluxe re-issue thing they are doing through the catalog it would be the perfect time for a re-mix and remaster of the existing tracks.
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve).  Whether that's true or not, who knows?!?  As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 07, 2017, 01:32:49 PM
The rumor that the verses to Dyer's Eve being looped has existed forever. Never heard it applied to any other song, and it makes less sense to do it with those.

But yea, no one in the band would be able to re-record that album properly. No one. Maybe James' rhythm guitar, but that's it. Rob could play the bass lines, but they'd be very different in feel than Jasons.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jakepriest on June 07, 2017, 01:33:35 PM
How? There are amateur remasters online that have amazing bass. And that's using Guitar Hero stems or something.
How would a professional remaster be unable to help the bass?  :justjen
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
FUCK YOU 403
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 07, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
How? There are amateur remasters online that have amazing bass. And that's using Guitar Hero stems or something.
How would a professional remaster be unable to help the bass?  :justjen

That's not what a remaster does. A remix would help.

If a remaster adds bass, it would be bass frequencies to the whole song. It wouldn't change the levels of any instruments.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 07, 2017, 01:59:25 PM
How? There are amateur remasters online that have amazing bass. And that's using Guitar Hero stems or something.
How would a professional remaster be unable to help the bass?  :justjen
The bass doesn't exist.  The "amateur remaster" has some guy laying down his own bass tracks over the songs.

As far as I know there is only a Guitar Hero version of Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
The new iTunes remaster of Death Magnetic has a lot less clipping on.

You can hear more bass and cymbals. It's much better. Not perfect but much better.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 07, 2017, 02:26:39 PM
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve).  Whether that's true or not, who knows?!?  As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.

No offense, but that is kinda silly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2017, 02:27:57 PM
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve).  Whether that's true or not, who knows?!?  As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.

No offense, but that is kinda silly.

Especially in 1988 when digital music didn't exist. Creating a loop like that on tape would have been an enormous pain the in the arse.

It's more likely that Lars played til he fucked up - went back and punched in another take and so on until theyd cut a perfect take.

But thats true of any album ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 07, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
^ Yup, and Lars was actually really good during the time of that record. In terms of chops, that was probably his prime as a player.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
Lars would have been mid 20s. Probably on cocaine too.

Just because he's 53 now and can't rely on youth adrenaline and cocaine to back up his lack of natural ability - doesn't mean he was always that way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on June 07, 2017, 02:34:27 PM
I think Lars has only started doing the loop drums thing since St. Anger, Bob Rock mentioned a few times in JITS videos how pro-tools change Lars life.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 07, 2017, 02:40:30 PM
I think Lars has only started doing the loop drums thing since St. Anger, Bob Rock mentioned a few times in JITS videos how pro-tools change Lars life.

The band using Pro-Tools doesn't mean they are "looping" anything. Looping implies that Lars plays one measure and then they loop it 15 more times to get a full 16. Pro-Tools just makes editing takes easier than cutting tape, that's all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2017, 02:42:49 PM
Yeah if you watch the making of Death Magnetic or Hardwired to Self Destruct - Lars plays most of the songs and cuts in anything that needs fixing.

I love it when people bash Lars for using pro Tools - and dont understand how bands have been tracking albums for YEARS.

I'm sure some people think you go in - play the song once then leave.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2017, 02:43:07 PM
Probably on cocaine too.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
Probably on cocaine too.

 :lol

He was a renowned cocaine user.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 07, 2017, 03:44:02 PM
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve).  Whether that's true or not, who knows?!?  As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.

No offense, but that is kinda silly.

Especially in 1988 when digital music didn't exist. Creating a loop like that on tape would have been an enormous pain the in the arse.

It's more likely that Lars played til he fucked up - went back and punched in another take and so on until theyd cut a perfect take.

But thats true of any album ever.

For most of the album, totally. But for the verses of DE? I can loop that on tape. It's a bit of a pain, but totally doable. Whether or not he did it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on June 07, 2017, 07:13:40 PM
Have I done this before ?

Pick your favourite song from each of the 10 studio albums and one cover from Garage Inc.


1. Whiplash
2. This album is so good... But if I had to pick one... Ride the Lightning
3. Battery
4. Blackened
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Where the Wild things Are
8. Sabbra Cadabra
9. Some Kind of Monster
10. All Nightmare Long
11. Dream No More
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on June 08, 2017, 07:24:12 AM
1. No Remorse
2. Creeping Death
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Blackend
5. Holier Than Thou
6. Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer
8. Mercyful Fate Medly
9. Frantic
10. All Nightmare Long
11. Moth Into Flame
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on June 08, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Master of Puppets
4. Blackened
5. Wherever I May Roam
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer
8. Astronomy
9. Some Kind Of Monster
10. The End Of The Line
11. Moth Into Flame
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on June 08, 2017, 02:21:43 PM
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Creeping Death
3. Master of Puppets
4. One
5. Enter Sandman
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fuel
8. St. Anger
9. The Day That Never Comes
10. Spit out the Bone
11. Am I Evil?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on June 08, 2017, 02:33:40 PM
I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 08, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?

I have that problem with Battery, always inverting the beat when I hear it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on June 08, 2017, 04:57:59 PM
Kindof like Blackened when he inverts the break down on purpose?   :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
Why is that a "problem"? 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2017, 09:03:48 AM
Why is that a "problem"?

No idea about Blackened, but it's a problem for me because I know I'm hearing it wrong. I have no idea why, it's been 20 years that I've been listening to Metallica, and still can't hear Battery without inverting it.

Thanks Obama!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on June 13, 2017, 08:36:42 AM
I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?

Even with the vocals, I still hear the snare on 1 and 3.  It's not just that the song is fast, but the riff accents the off beats just enough to throw off the feel of the song (made worse by the vocals accenting the same beats).  That said, I love the song, and I think it has one of the best harmony guitar solos I've heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 23, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
We finally have the making of for Atlas, Rise!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/go-behind-the-scenes-of-making-of-metallicas-atlas-rise-song/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 24, 2017, 07:10:01 AM
^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 24, 2017, 07:33:25 AM
^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?

Not Lords of Summer, but besides that, yeah
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 24, 2017, 07:34:45 AM
^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?

Not Lords of Summer, but besides that, yeah

Ah, I forgot about Lords of Summer, good call!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on August 30, 2017, 05:02:07 AM
Remastered 'Master Of Puppets' coming November 10.

https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets (https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets)

"We promised to keep mining the vaults to bring you each Metallica album remastered for the most advanced sound quality possible along with special deluxe editions including previously unreleased audio and video recordings. Today we are excited to announce that we are one step closer... 'Master of Puppets (Remastered)' is here! Visit Metallica com for more information (and with three pieces of vinyl, ten CDs, two DVDs, and so much more in the Box Set alone, we promise you'll find more information!). And don't forget to stop into the Met Store to pre-order your copy and find some 'Puppets' favorites on sale now! Release date is November 10th."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on August 30, 2017, 07:23:44 AM
Another remortgage coming up to be able to afford the Deluxe Edition here in the UK.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2017, 08:08:11 AM
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 30, 2017, 08:26:19 AM
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2017, 08:30:23 AM
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.

The shows are incomplete?   The only songs that seemed incomplete looked like a tape ran out at the end of one song and wasn't restarted till midway through the next song.   

I don't mind the incomplete shows, but I didn't see the Aragon Ballroom show on CD, only vinyl.  The vinyl is wasted on me, so...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2017, 08:39:44 AM
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings.  Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content.  The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.

There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.

The shows are incomplete?   The only songs that seemed incomplete looked like a tape ran out at the end of one song and wasn't restarted till midway through the next song.   

I don't mind the incomplete shows, but I didn't see the Aragon Ballroom show on CD, only vinyl.  The vinyl is wasted on me, so...

On the 10 disc set there are some incomplete shows.  They look like it's mostly all there, but there are a few notes like:

*Note: Someone didn’t hit record until after we started playing.
*Note: The tape ran out before we finished the song.
*Note: Filming cuts during the guitar solo.

And yea, I agree, it's just them getting what they have in the vaults out to people which is cool, I just can't recall bands releasing incomplete concerts like this before.  You'd have to be a pretty big fan to buy that set though so it's still pretty cool to get that stuff in the hands of the fans.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 30, 2017, 08:45:53 AM
On the 10 disc set there are some incomplete shows.  They look like it's mostly all there, but there are a few notes like:

*Note: Someone didn’t hit record until after we started playing.
*Note: The tape ran out before we finished the song.
*Note: Filming cuts during the guitar solo.

And yea, I agree, it's just them getting what they have in the vaults out to people which is cool, I just can't recall bands releasing incomplete concerts like this before.  You'd have to be a pretty big fan to buy that set though so it's still pretty cool to get that stuff in the hands of the fans.

Yeah, I assume the target market for this (the box that includes everything) are the absolute die-hard fans that need to collect everything Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: axeman90210 on August 30, 2017, 10:24:55 AM
Very tempted by the 3CD just for dem live tracks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 30, 2017, 08:18:39 PM
Master of Puppets sounds great as it originally sounded in 1986. I see no need for this in my collection.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Grappler on August 30, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
I may spring for the digital edition.  I bought the remastered KEA single cd for $5.00.  Still haven't picked up RTL, and I think I have an early version of Puppets that was remastered in the late 80's or 90's, according to the back of the cd.  But a new version with some live songs from 86/87?   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2017, 06:54:46 AM
Master of Puppets sounds great as it originally sounded in 1986. I see no need for this in my collection.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on August 31, 2017, 06:56:12 AM
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2017, 07:06:42 AM
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: kaos2900 on August 31, 2017, 08:07:25 AM
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

My thoughts as well. I listened to the sample of Disposable Hero's and didn't really notice that big of a difference to warrant another purchase.  I may spring for a re-mastered AJFA with some bass sounds.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2017, 08:12:08 AM
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

My thoughts as well. I listened to the sample of Disposable Hero's and didn't really notice that big of a difference to warrant another purchase.  I may spring for a re-mastered AJFA with some bass sounds.

I think they've already commented that they wouldn't mess with AJFA, which is disappointing. I think they should release a 2 disc version with a remaster of the original album, and then a remixed version with bass.
I haven't heard the samples from MOP yet, but the previous two weren't bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
Very tempted by the 3CD just for dem live tracks.
That's where I'm at.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 31, 2017, 08:33:46 AM
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
I think they've already commented that they wouldn't mess with AJFA, which is disappointing.

Remastered 'Master Of Puppets' coming November 10.

https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets (https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets)

"We promised to keep mining the vaults to bring you each Metallica album remastered for the most advanced sound quality possible along with special deluxe editions including previously unreleased audio and video recordings. Today we are excited to announce that we are one step closer... 'Master of Puppets (Remastered)' is here! Visit Metallica com for more information (and with three pieces of vinyl, ten CDs, two DVDs, and so much more in the Box Set alone, we promise you'll find more information!). And don't forget to stop into the Met Store to pre-order your copy and find some 'Puppets' favorites on sale now! Release date is November 10th."

Says in this quote they promise to do each album?   It would be ridiculous if they remastered MoP but not AJFA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2017, 08:38:04 AM
Says in this quote they promise to do each album?   It would be ridiculous if they remastered MoP but not AJFA.

I meant them remixing it, not remastering. Can't remember where I read the quote on that specifically, since that was a while ago now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 08:41:18 AM
Ah true, yea theres a difference I missed that.  So lame.  But yea, I'm with the group that doesn't really have much interest in the remasters anyway besides a redo of AJFA really.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
Yeah, I'm 100% fine with the versions I've had forever, especially TBA, Load and Reload. The only thing I've ever wanted is a listenable version of AJFA, because I love the album, but I just can't listen to it any more in its current state. No remaster will fix that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 31, 2017, 09:02:02 AM
Yeah, I'm 100% fine with the versions I've had forever, especially TBA, Load and Reload. The only thing I've ever wanted is a listenable version of AJFA, because I love the album, but I just can't listen to it any more in its current state. No remaster will fix that.

Yeah, from a sonic perspective, it's going to be pretty hard to improve on TBA and the Loads. Say what you will about the songs on those records but the production is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2017, 09:44:05 AM
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?

Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.

I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.

Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 31, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).

Yup, I'm assuming that's the real appeal of Metallica going back through the catalog and doing this - the bonus material. I mean check out all this stuff -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhZWUD6hEj4

I'd wager to say the remastered CD of MOP is probably the least interesting thing in there. If you are going to drop all that money it's because of everything else.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on August 31, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.

Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
This is the first of these Super Deluxe sets I'll be getting.  It's my favorite Metallica album and is probably in my Top 20 albums.  I picked up the "Back To The Front" book they put out last year commemorating the album's 30th anniversary - pretty awesome.  The MoP Super Deluxe edition will be a welcome addition to my collection.  For the money, it's a pretty good collection of material.  Although, if you're not into vinyl, I can see how not having that show on CD would be a bummer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 31, 2017, 12:10:17 PM
I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.

Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
This is the first of these Super Deluxe sets I'll be getting.  It's my favorite Metallica album and is probably in my Top 20 albums.  I picked up the "Back To The Front" book they put out last year commemorating the album's 30th anniversary - pretty awesome.  The MoP Super Deluxe edition will be a welcome addition to my collection.  For the money, it's a pretty good collection of material.  Although, if you're not into vinyl, I can see how not having that show on CD would be a bummer.

The deluxe box thing is pretty sweet, that's for sure. I've been meaning to get the Back to the Front book - how is it?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on August 31, 2017, 12:26:37 PM
The deluxe box thing is pretty sweet, that's for sure. I've been meaning to get the Back to the Front book - how is it?
If you're a fan of the album and enjoy learning all the minutiae about a band of which you're a fan, I'd highly recommend it.  I haven't finished it or even gotten to when they've completed the album.  But, I'd say it's definitely worth getting.  The collection of photos inside is pretty awesome.  A lot of time and effort was definitely put into the making of this book.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 31, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
^Cool, looks like it's only like $30 on Amazon, I might just have to pick it up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on September 01, 2017, 06:25:29 AM
^Cool, looks like it's only like $30 on Amazon, I might just have to pick it up.
That's a deal.  And, eligible for Prime shipping, too.  Totally worth it.  The book has some weight to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 01, 2017, 03:38:23 PM
I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.

Well, that's me.  99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself.  I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material.  I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know.  If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
This is the first of these Super Deluxe sets I'll be getting.  It's my favorite Metallica album and is probably in my Top 20 albums.  I picked up the "Back To The Front" book they put out last year commemorating the album's 30th anniversary - pretty awesome.  The MoP Super Deluxe edition will be a welcome addition to my collection.  For the money, it's a pretty good collection of material.  Although, if you're not into vinyl, I can see how not having that show on CD would be a bummer.

having everything on CD woulf be better, but the live vinyl and cassette both come with download codes so you can hear both of those (and rip them to a CD)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on September 05, 2017, 05:08:39 PM
Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WilliamMunny on September 05, 2017, 07:10:58 PM
Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.

Ugghhhh!  Say it ain't so...this is exactly what I feared they would do.

Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings?  Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???

Why compress and re-EQ an album that I have been listening to for 30 years???

I suppose as long as the original remains available I won't get too upset...what Mustain did with the Megadeth catalog is simply inexcusable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 06, 2017, 07:15:19 AM
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cfmoran13 on September 06, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings?  Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???
Don't forget about the Ozzy 2002 remasters where Mike Bordin and Robert Trujillo came in to re-record the bass and drums on BoO and DoaM.  Disgraceful!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on September 06, 2017, 08:34:05 AM
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s

This is awesome
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Miyazaki74 on September 06, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.

Yea no need to remaster MOP, it sounds good as it is. The only Metallica album that needs remastering is Death Magnetic which is way over modulated. Maybe RTL as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 06, 2017, 09:01:44 PM
The MoP announcement post on facebook came with a Comment option so I apparently I've been unbanned from Metallica's fb page.

Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.

Ugghhhh!  Say it ain't so...this is exactly what I feared they would do.

Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings?  Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???

Why compress and re-EQ an album that I have been listening to for 30 years???

I suppose as long as the original remains available I won't get too upset...what Mustain did with the Megadeth catalog is simply inexcusable.

I know I'm in the smallest minority on this one but I disagree guys. Compression and EQ play, crispiness and loudness are exactly what I need from a remaster of 80's metal records. Because these records deserve an explosive in-your-face treatment to satisfy the new settings I've been listening in, the last 10 years or so; car and gym. I wanna listen to these songs without having to raise the volume absurdly in these places.
Sure, if I want to enjoy a more sonic-ally wholesome experience, I'd listen to the original pressings. They're still available and I own them all. But I can tell you all original pressings of Megadeth albums have not set foot out of my old room in my parents house since the remasters came out. I absolutely love the Megadeth remasters, crisp and loud without clipping, what not to love.
Metallica's KEA & RTL remasters haven't done it for me though. Whatever Mustaine did in his remasters, they didn't do.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2017, 08:04:12 PM
Not directly Metallica, but I found this and thought it was super awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGc5in2F_Rg
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WilliamMunny on September 12, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
The MoP announcement post on facebook came with a Comment option so I apparently I've been unbanned from Metallica's fb page.

Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.

Ugghhhh!  Say it ain't so...this is exactly what I feared they would do.

Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings?  Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???

Why compress and re-EQ an album that I have been listening to for 30 years???

I suppose as long as the original remains available I won't get too upset...what Mustain did with the Megadeth catalog is simply inexcusable.

I know I'm in the smallest minority on this one but I disagree guys. Compression and EQ play, crispiness and loudness are exactly what I need from a remaster of 80's metal records. Because these records deserve an explosive in-your-face treatment to satisfy the new settings I've been listening in, the last 10 years or so; car and gym. I wanna listen to these songs without having to raise the volume absurdly in these places.
Sure, if I want to enjoy a more sonic-ally wholesome experience, I'd listen to the original pressings. They're still available and I own them all. But I can tell you all original pressings of Megadeth albums have not set foot out of my old room in my parents house since the remasters came out. I absolutely love the Megadeth remasters, crisp and loud without clipping, what not to love.
Metallica's KEA & RTL remasters haven't done it for me though. Whatever Mustaine did in his remasters, they didn't do.

Very interesting as I place my disdain for the Mega-remasters above almost all else.  What are your thoughts on the re-recorded vocals/solos and tempo changes that took place (RIP is the worst offender)?  For me, this was sacrilege.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 12, 2017, 09:14:37 AM
Not directly Metallica, but I found this and thought it was super awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGc5in2F_Rg

Wow, that was fantastic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 12, 2017, 09:52:07 PM

Very interesting as I place my disdain for the Mega-remasters above almost all else.  What are your thoughts on the re-recorded vocals/solos and tempo changes that took place (RIP is the worst offender)?  For me, this was sacrilege.

I know! I've actually never talked to anyone who likes the remasters :lol
I don't remember tempo changes but that's maybe cause I haven't heard the originals in so long.
I didn't mind the re-recorded vocals. I actually love the remastered Five Magics, the "Possessed with hellish torment" section and the demonic vocals that repeat the lines are way more intense in the remastered. I'm very aware of how sacrilege this is but I can't help it heh
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 12, 2017, 09:57:19 PM
I love the Megadeth remasters.............. Because I've never heard the originals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 22, 2017, 10:34:03 AM
Video breaking down the live guitar rigs for the summer US tour -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6k2ghtbhoU

Interesting to note they are totally 100% AxeFx now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: SebastianPratesi on September 26, 2017, 12:01:10 AM
Not directly Metallica, but I found this and thought it was super awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGc5in2F_Rg
That was cool!
If you're into that sort of playing, I can recommend you this: https://youtu.be/vqHj1WiGc-s
He's a young musician from my city.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pogoowner on September 26, 2017, 06:14:40 PM
Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2017, 06:32:52 PM
Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.

And off stage it seems. I’ve seen a few videos of him playing a way solo but his feet aren’t anywhere near a pedal, which means someone else is off stage controlling it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 28, 2017, 07:55:30 PM
Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.

And off stage it seems. I’ve seen a few videos of him playing a way solo but his feet aren’t anywhere near a pedal, which means someone else is off stage controlling it.

Yeah his tech has one off stage in case he needs one for a part but isn’t near one. Seems silly but the stadium summer tour stage was massive, even with several on stage he still might find himself pretty far away from one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 28, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Just trying to imagine a dude sitting in a chair, smoking and reading a magazine while begrugingly doing Kirk's wah back stage.

I'm pictured Marc Maron.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on September 28, 2017, 10:40:20 PM
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
Great idea. Poorly executed. Moths en masse fly in seemingly random patterns. That was just a bunch of circling lights. I'd love to see them get that right.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on September 28, 2017, 10:56:20 PM
Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.

And off stage it seems. I’ve seen a few videos of him playing a way solo but his feet aren’t anywhere near a pedal, which means someone else is off stage controlling it.

Yeah his tech has one off stage in case he needs one for a part but isn’t near one. Seems silly but the stadium summer tour stage was massive, even with several on stage he still might find himself pretty far away from one.
Yeah, it sure seemed like they put more than five out, and they were still pretty widely spaced. A rough estimate is 250-300 linear feet of running room for that stage. He could certainly find himself 30' away from a pedal at any given time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on September 28, 2017, 10:59:05 PM
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
Great idea. Poorly executed. Moths en masse fly in seemingly random patterns. That was just a bunch of circling lights. I'd love to see them get that right.

At times, definitely for the beginning. If you go near the end, they're all going randomly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 29, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
Great idea. Poorly executed. Moths en masse fly in seemingly random patterns. That was just a bunch of circling lights. I'd love to see them get that right.

At times, definitely for the beginning. If you go near the end, they're all going randomly.

Definitely room to grow the gimmick, pretty cool first attempt though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Architeuthis on September 30, 2017, 10:41:36 AM
I love the Megadeth remasters.............. Because I've never heard the originals.
:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 24, 2017, 06:26:42 PM
Killer setlist from night 2 in London. Wish I was there to see it 😕

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/the-o2-arena-london-england-73e32659.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on October 25, 2017, 12:25:44 AM
Oh, apparently they debuted Spit Out The Bone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on October 25, 2017, 12:27:36 AM
Oh, apparently they debuted Spit Out The Bone.

Horribly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on October 25, 2017, 12:31:09 AM
You've seen footage?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: portnoy311 on October 25, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Click the play button next to the song on that setlist link.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on October 25, 2017, 02:19:28 AM
Ah. I never use that feature.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 25, 2017, 07:17:39 AM
Click the play button next to the song on that setlist link.

Never noticed this either, I should start linking my youtube videos to setlist.fm.... this video isn't good quality so hard to tell about the performance.  Seems off, but the sound is already really muddy and missed the beginning of the song. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 25, 2017, 07:18:07 AM
Why in the name of all that is holy would they have Robert sing like half the verses? Het could easily sing that himself, I mean he sang the verse to That Was Just Your Life on the DM tour.

The rest of it wasn't bad, James' voice sounds really good on it, Lars has the usual Lars issues.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on October 25, 2017, 07:43:56 AM
Man, Master of Puppets (album) just never ceases to amaze me. Like it hasn't aged a day. Such a thrilling record from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 25, 2017, 10:55:30 AM
Man, Master of Puppets (album) just never ceases to amaze me. Like it hasn't aged a day. Such a thrilling record from start to finish.

It’s IMO the greatest album of all time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Art on October 25, 2017, 11:07:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUShg-c8qog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUShg-c8qog)

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2017, 11:40:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUShg-c8qog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUShg-c8qog)

 :rollin

I love the look on his face about 3:00 minutes in where he realizes that this is all there is.  It doesn't get any better than it already has.  :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 25, 2017, 02:13:41 PM
That was hilarious. I loved jumping ten or twenty minutes ahead again and again and just watching his expressions and poses changing.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2017, 02:32:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzr358o_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzr358o_0) The official live video for Spit Out the Bone

Really not understanding Rob's vocals, but the performances isn't terrible overall.  Lars aint the best, but that's expected.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 26, 2017, 02:47:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzr358o_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzr358o_0) The official live video for Spit Out the Bone

Really not understanding Rob's vocals, but the performances isn't terrible overall.  Lars aint the best, but that's expected.

If they had James just sing the verse like they do in pretty much every other song in their catalog, it would be miles better. Completely baffled by the decision to have Rob sing half the verses. The rest wasn't bad, like you said Lars is Lars. He's skipping double bass work and fills, I'm not sure if he just can't play that stuff anymore or feels that he'll screw it up so he chooses not to. Also, it sounds like Kirk is coming in a split second late during his solo consistently, like every time the riff resets on one, he's behind.

But, overall I'm glad they played the song, and hope to see them play it more and get more comfortable with it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on October 26, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
Nowhere near as bad as I'd have expected, and I bet live it came off very well. A 350kw sound system will cover a multitude of sins. I kind of see what they were going for with the vocals, but they lost the ability to do that when Newsted split. Barring that, they should have swapped halves. Some lines can be shouted but others need some tone. Hetfield really needed to handle "bleeding through your fragile skin," etc. The bigger problem was with the bridge verse, though. There's no way for them to pull off the "stop breathing" part without sequencing. Trujillo will never be a proper background singer.

Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 26, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
I see a couple reasons why they did that with the verse 1) to give James a breather for a few seconds and 2) to do a kind of call-and-response kind of thing, only it doesn’t work cuz Robert’s vocals are dreadful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 27, 2017, 06:49:39 AM
Nowhere near as bad as I'd have expected, and I bet live it came off very well. A 350kw sound system will cover a multitude of sins. I kind of see what they were going for with the vocals, but they lost the ability to do that when Newsted split. Barring that, they should have swapped halves. Some lines can be shouted but others need some tone. Hetfield really needed to handle "bleeding through your fragile skin," etc. The bigger problem was with the bridge verse, though. There's no way for them to pull off the "stop breathing" part without sequencing. Trujillo will never be a proper background singer.

Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.

I generally agree, to one of your specific points though, having Jason on this song would have been fantastic.

I see a couple reasons why they did that with the verse 1) to give James a breather for a few seconds and 2) to do a kind of call-and-response kind of thing, only it doesn’t work cuz Robert’s vocals are dreadful.

Eh, I honestly still don't get it. He has faster vocal lines he's performed in other songs that give him less time to breathe and he's pulled it off nicely. Additionally, the riff they are playing it over isn't that complex either it's mostly just chugging on the E.

I'll put it to you this way - singing the verses of Sad But True while playing that heavy guitar part is much harder, just in a different way. Not kidding, try it sometime. It's  actually really tricky.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2017, 06:57:26 AM
Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.

Yup, at the end of the day the band performed a song really liked on the album.  Got to give credit where it's due and that is that Metallica is playing a lot of these new songs and continuing to live debut them awhile after the albums release.  It may not be perfect, but that's OK with me.  I'm sure like you said, it sounded fine in the arena that night and that's all that really matters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 27, 2017, 07:03:39 AM
Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.

Yup, at the end of the day the band performed a song really liked on the album.  Got to give credit where it's due and that is that Metallica is playing a lot of these new songs and continuing to live debut them awhile after the albums release.  It may not be perfect, but that's OK with me.  I'm sure like you said, it sounded fine in the arena that night and that's all that really matters.

No doubt, and don't mistake my nitpicking for anything other than that, nitpicking. Overall, it sounded pretty good, I'm sure with Big Mick slaughtering folks with kick drum and bass guitar low end, it was a religious experience in the room.

I totally love the amount of new songs they are playing on this tour. Their last couple sets in Europe have like 6 or 7 songs from Hardwired. That's awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2017, 07:06:25 AM
Yea, its a shame NA didnt get these more interesting and rotating set lists.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 27, 2017, 07:07:27 AM
Yea, its a shame NA didnt get these more interesting and rotating set lists.

The cons of a stadium show for sure. Hopefully they do another US run next year and play arenas like they are currently across the pond.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on October 27, 2017, 08:20:40 AM
Yea, its a shame NA didnt get these more interesting and rotating set lists.
Setlist seems the same format as it was from the beginning. Twelve fixed slots and six rotating. The rotating slots all fit into a theme, usually down to a specific album. The only difference I saw looking at some random gigs of late is that Bellz has been replaced with S&D in the third slot. Aside from that any recent gig could be exactly the same as what I saw twice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 05, 2017, 01:47:37 PM
So for some reason it just dawned on me that the members of Metallica spent their 20's writing their first 5 albums, which are some of the most iconic records in history.

How did we spend our 20's? Crazy stuff.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 05, 2017, 03:22:31 PM
So for some reason it just dawned on me that the members of Metallica spent their 20's writing their first 5 albums, which are some of the most iconic records in history.

How did we spend our 20's? Crazy stuff.

Kill 'Em All was released before James and Lars even turned 20.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on November 05, 2017, 04:06:44 PM
So for some reason it just dawned on me that the members of Metallica spent their 20's writing their first 5 albums, which are some of the most iconic records in history.

How did we spend our 20's? Crazy stuff.

Kill 'Em All was released before James and Lars even turned 20.

 :angry:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 12, 2017, 07:26:35 AM
I think it's a matter of being at the right place at the right time around the right people, I think the most creative people that ever existed are complete unknowns cause they didn't have that perfect line up of circumstances. But it's also being willing to take the risk and put your whole self into your passion, which is something most people would deem impractical, I never did and never would, for fear of failure and time waste.
And Trujillo's back vocals are true killers of musical boners.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 12, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
I think it's a matter of being at the right place at the right time around the right people, I think the most creative people that ever existed are complete unknowns cause they didn't have that perfect line up of circumstances. But it's also being willing to take the risk and put your whole self into your passion, which is something most people would deem impractical, I never did and never would, for fear of failure and time waste.
And Trujillo's back vocals are true killers of musical boners.

It could be worse. Have you ever heard Kirk sing?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on November 12, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
Yes, and back then I said "It can't get worse than that!!", until I heard Trujillo barking :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 14, 2017, 06:26:04 AM
It's Electric: Lars x Metallica Revisit Master of Puppets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFAs3Y5Pyf4)

That was interesting hearing the producer and the band sharing stories about the recording.  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 14, 2017, 07:13:01 AM
That was really interesting, thanks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 14, 2017, 07:29:25 AM
It's Electric: Lars x Metallica Revisit Master of Puppets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFAs3Y5Pyf4)

That was interesting hearing the producer and the band sharing stories about the recording.  :tup

Really cool! Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Grappler on November 14, 2017, 07:33:50 AM
WOW.  I love that tidbit about Sanitarium's intro being in mono, then kicking over to stereo.  I just put it on and listened with earbuds and it's so true.  The sound really does just envelope around you as the song kicks in around 0:32/0:33.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 18, 2017, 08:17:26 AM
I've been playing MoP a lot lately, man is it good! I'm still in love with this record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 18, 2017, 02:22:32 PM
I've been playing MoP a lot lately, man is it good! I'm still in love with this record.

To me, it’s the closest and album can get to being perfect. My all time favorite album and a collection of songs that has helped me through some really tough times. The first song I remember hearing is the title track so this album has been there for me for as long as I can remember.