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Title: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on June 26, 2013, 09:31:32 AM
The new release of Lifting Shadows, The Authorized Biography Of Dream Theater, is now available to order!

Full details on the release - and details of the Pre-order discount - are now available over at
https://www.liftingshadows.com (https://www.liftingshadows.com)

Publication will be in September but pre-ordered books will ship as soon as they are available.
This paperback edition is fully updated by Rich Wilson featuring new interviews with the band & others. It covers the departure of Mike Portnoy, the search for his successor and the band's spirited return.

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Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 26, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
It says "Out of Stock" for delivery to USA :(

EDIT: Huh, that was weird. First it prevented the "Continue" button from working, but now it is going through. Crisis averted!  :D
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Mindflux on June 26, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
It says "Out of Stock" for delivery to USA :(

I ordered mine before Rich posted here... no probs (USA).

Prior to today the 2nd edition webpage was out of stock.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 26, 2013, 10:15:29 AM
Boom!  Preordered! 

Thanks Rich.  That's a pretty good price!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on June 26, 2013, 10:20:28 AM
That was always my plan - to keep the price as low as we could without compromising on the quality. This hopefully gives everyone the chance to read it who wanted to, but who might have been priced out by the higher prices of earlier editions.

If people could spread the word on Facebook or on any other prog sites, that would be hugely helpful too!!

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Sycsa on June 26, 2013, 10:27:31 AM
I jumped on it, but it says it's out of stock for rest of EU, but still allows me to continue. Help?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Implode on June 26, 2013, 10:33:48 AM
I assumed that's because technically it is out of stock right now. :lol

Preorder done! I'll make a post on Tumblr too.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: sueño on June 26, 2013, 10:35:45 AM
would be a great gift for somebody!   :coolio
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Sycsa on June 26, 2013, 10:36:00 AM
I assumed that's because technically it is out of stock right now. :lol

Preorder done! I'll make a post on Tumblr too.
Makes sense, still got my paranoia senses tingling. Eh, not enough to make me not want to preorder, so like the guys in Sopranos always say: "It's done."  :)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Onno on June 26, 2013, 10:42:56 AM
Nice! Preordered it. I've never read any edition of Lifting Shadows before, so I'm really excited.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ? on June 26, 2013, 10:50:19 AM
Could someone please tell what the payment options are? I don't feel like entering all my information just to find out that I can't pay for the book.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: mallorier on June 26, 2013, 11:14:35 AM
Sweet! How long is the pre-order discount thing going to be going on...anyone know? Waiting until I get paid on Friday but then I am all over this bad boy! :metal
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Zook on June 26, 2013, 11:20:07 AM
We don't get charged til it ships right?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: jingle.boy on June 26, 2013, 11:22:04 AM
I wish I could just get the "new" content.  I bought the original, and v2 released after BCSL.  Not sure I really want/need an entire new edition yet again, for only that tail end of content.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 26, 2013, 11:30:34 AM
Could someone please tell what the payment options are? I don't feel like entering all my information just to find out that I can't pay for the book.

PayPal, MasterCard, VISA, and a couple other ones I can't remember.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Fisi on June 26, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Just pre-ordered it as I've never had a chance to get this before. Really looking forward to it, and the price is really reasonable.  :tup
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ? on June 26, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Could someone please tell what the payment options are? I don't feel like entering all my information just to find out that I can't pay for the book.

PayPal, MasterCard, VISA, and a couple other ones I can't remember.
Ok, thanks!

I guess I need to make a PayPal account at some point... I'll move in August/September, so I won't order this until I can be sure the book will arrive at my future address.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheGreatPretender on June 26, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Great price on the book! I just wish Canada got the same shipping price as the US. But either way, bit the bullet, cause it'll be totally worth it!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: lyfeternl on June 26, 2013, 12:25:40 PM
Pre-ordered!  :tup
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: WildeSilas on June 26, 2013, 12:41:55 PM
Same thing that happened to me with 2nd Edition - preorder unavailable. What do they do, print 12 each time? I've been dying to read this for years, can't afford the used copies floating around. Is there any chance there will be more available at some point? FFS.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 26, 2013, 12:57:16 PM
I wish I could just get the "new" content.  I bought the original, and v2 released after BCSL.  Not sure I really want/need an entire new edition yet again, for only that tail end of content.
Same, but thankfully I'm kinda over the point of fandom where I need *everything* that gets released DT-related...

The price is pretty good, though, so I dunno. Maybe I'll gift my previous addition to another fan, and check this one out.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Another_Won on June 26, 2013, 01:16:17 PM
Pre-ordered!  :tup
Me too.  I'm actually really excited about this.  So excited that I had to declare my pre-order in two threads :facepalm:
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Meatrose on June 26, 2013, 01:43:44 PM
I haven't read it yet so I pre-ordered the crap out of this baby. I actually don't even know what I paid for it.  :yarr
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: krands85 on June 26, 2013, 01:54:57 PM
Just pre-ordered it as I've never had a chance to get this before. Really looking forward to it, and the price is really reasonable.  :tup
This :D
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: iamtheeviltwin on June 26, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Good deal, will have to spread this across my social network.  My birthday is in Sept. so maybe someone will take the hint and order me a copy.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on June 26, 2013, 04:17:20 PM
Ordered! So here's my question, The first thing it says on Wikipedia is that Lifting Shadows is a set of two books Images and Words. I gather that what I just purchased was a paperback of Words. So how does one get his hands on Images, and is this worth it?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rhayader on June 26, 2013, 05:19:24 PM
Will there be a hardcover or a special edition?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 26, 2013, 06:20:07 PM
Says out of stock for me... Weird  :-\
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 26, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
Ordered! So here's my question, The first thing it says on Wikipedia is that Lifting Shadows is a set of two books Images and Words. I gather that what I just purchased was a paperback of Words. So how does one get his hands on Images, and is this worth it?

First edition was a 2 book set (Images & Words)

Second edition was a single book, as is third edition.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on June 26, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
oh ok thanks. Any interesting pics in there? It's like I'm paranoid that I could possibly be missing out on some Myung tackles LaBrie story because I don't have the book haha
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 26, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
I gots mines! :caffeine: Now get the fuck here, September.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: SystematicThought on June 27, 2013, 03:21:48 AM
Really appropriate new chapter titles for the 2 new chapters! DT always has fitting song titles.

MP's departure: The Shattered Fortress
ADTOE: New Realities.

 :heart

Will the New Realities chapter finally reveal why Mangini's body was not well before he received the call?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 27, 2013, 03:22:17 AM
So are we getting a new version after each new album or devellopement now? Just askin'.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: wasteland on June 27, 2013, 04:14:20 AM
Will the New Realities chapter finally reveal why Mangini's body was not well before he received the call?

Practical Joke by JLB: home delivered Cuban shrimps.


Anyway, I got mine! If I read correctly, the pre-orders will be shipped before the official release date, as soon as they become available?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Sycsa on June 27, 2013, 04:40:57 AM
We don't get charged til it ships right?
I don't think that's how preordering works.

Says out of stock for me... Weird  :-\
I guess because it's technically it's not in stock yet. You can still order it without a hitch.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 27, 2013, 06:16:41 AM
We don't get charged til it ships right?
I don't think that's how preordering works.



That's how preorders on Amazon and other big retailers usually work: they don't process the payment until the order ships (at least for credit card orders).  But, smaller businesses usually charge you up front.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Zook on June 27, 2013, 06:42:17 AM
If that's the case with Rich, I hope he keeps the discount up for a little while. I have the second edition, but would really like to get this one too. I just can't afford it right now. I did just get paid, but rent is coming up and I've already spent enough money lately.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 27, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Will the New Realities chapter finally reveal why Mangini's body was not well before he received the call?

Practical Joke by JLB: home delivered Cuban shrimps.

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Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: thyer on June 27, 2013, 11:57:34 AM
Someone knows fi will be selling also on other sites (amazon,...)? it cost me 6.5 pound to ship to Italy and the book is 8.99 puonds  :-\
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: robwebster on June 27, 2013, 12:56:18 PM
We don't get charged til it ships right?
I don't think that's how preordering works.
Whuh? It is on most online stores!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 27, 2013, 01:33:59 PM
I ordered it about 15 hours ago and they already charged it to my card so that should answer any questions pertaining to how they're handling the billing in America.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Zook on June 27, 2013, 01:34:48 PM
drat
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 27, 2013, 01:38:34 PM
SO DAMN CHEAP!!!  Will pre-order soon!  :metal
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Aythesryche on June 27, 2013, 11:59:35 PM
Awesome, I'll be ordering one. Also wtb kindle edition.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 28, 2013, 08:34:56 AM
Rich, I'm a little confused by the wording. I've already placed my order, but I noticed it says preorders will be shipped as soon as they are in the warehouse, but the book will be officially published in September. Does that mean there is a chance that preorders might receive their books earlier than the official release date?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on June 28, 2013, 11:09:57 AM
Yes. The official release date is September, but if they get to the warehouses sooner than that, they'll send them out before! It would only be a week or so at the most though.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: nobloodyname on June 28, 2013, 11:11:32 AM
Rich, duplication from MP.com, but did you interview MP for the additional writing?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 28, 2013, 11:26:15 AM
Yes. The official release date is September, but if they get to the warehouses sooner than that, they'll send them out before! It would only be a week or so at the most though.

Cool! Really looking forward to this edition. Thanks!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: blaydes99 on June 28, 2013, 05:47:21 PM
Thanks Rich, this is great! I've just placed my pre-order.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 28, 2013, 08:55:44 PM
Pre-ordered!  September is going to be a great DT month.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Elite on June 29, 2013, 02:52:41 PM
Pre-ordered and payed via PayPal. This will be a nice and unexpected present when it finally arrives :)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Moving soon, so Im thinking I will preorder after the move so I use my new address.

I kind of forgot about the book since when it was released I wasnt as big of a fan as I am now, plus I didnt read much back then.  Now I read so much and this book is in paperback so I definitely want it.  Price seems fair too.  And new chapters!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 01, 2013, 08:34:21 PM
Cool. I just ordered  :metal
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: philmcson on July 02, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
Order'd it to my parents' place in Germany because the form still won't recognize Croatia as an EU member and I'm not giving an extra 5 pounds to eurosceptic Britons  :loser:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Virtualman64 on July 12, 2013, 08:14:50 AM
 :tup Done,and done! Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on August 18, 2013, 05:06:43 AM
That discount is still available people over at www.liftingshadows.com (https://www.liftingshadows.com)

 :yarr
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ReaperKK on August 18, 2013, 07:44:44 AM
Nice! Gonne pre-order when I get home.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Freko on August 18, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
Wiii order done.  :yarr
excited
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ReaperKK on August 18, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
ANNNNNNDDDD it's pre-ordered
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: serrano on August 18, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
When is actually the release date? Any news when the pre-orders will be delivered? :caffeine:
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on August 18, 2013, 02:55:13 PM
The release date is in September. At the moment, I don't have a firm date from the publishers but as soon as I know, I'll post it here!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on August 19, 2013, 03:34:35 PM
Seems they were short of interviewees. Ahem . . .!

https://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Dream-Theater-Author-Rich-Wilson.aspx (https://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Dream-Theater-Author-Rich-Wilson.aspx)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Onno on August 19, 2013, 03:41:38 PM
Great interview  :tup
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Meatrose on August 19, 2013, 04:31:27 PM
Yeah, a nice interview indeed. I'm really looking forward to reading the updated biography.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ? on August 20, 2013, 05:24:03 AM
Yeah, a nice interview indeed. I'm really looking forward to reading the updated biography.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 20, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
Yeah, a nice interview indeed. I'm really looking forward to reading the updated biography.

This.  Very nice little interview and I can't wait to read the updated book! I have yet to acquire any previous editions so this upcoming paperback release will be my first opportunity to read it, and I am very excited!!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 03, 2013, 12:34:06 AM
So here we are in september. This means either someone involved in the decision-making process for this book's release date has decided it isn't worth troubling themselves to make a brief announcement to let us fans know when the actual release will be despite it being just a few weeks away or there's gonna be a delay and they didn't bother mentioning it.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: adastra on September 03, 2013, 12:42:20 AM
So here we are in september. This means either someone involved in the decision-making process for this book's release date has decided it isn't worth troubling themselves to make a brief announcement to let us fans know when the actual release will be despite it being just a few weeks away or there's gonna be a delay and they didn't bother mentioning it.

Holy shit ! That was a long sentence  ;D   But, more seriously, It would be cool to get and exact release date!  I'm pretty hyped, cos I haven't read the book yet!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ? on September 03, 2013, 06:57:06 AM
I finally pre-ordered the book, can't wait to get it! :caffeine:
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on September 03, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
The books are currently being printed and I'll update you with a precise date once I know it!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: SystematicThought on September 03, 2013, 01:26:45 PM
How long will they be around to order? I don't want to get it right now, but soon I plan on getting it
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on September 04, 2013, 07:20:34 AM
The books are currently being printed and I'll update you with a precise date once I know it!
I pre ordered about a month ago from an add I saw on Facebook on the right of my page.(Big Brother)
I have wanted to read this book for some time now and I am thrilled its back in print!
Looking forward to getting my copy.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 08, 2013, 06:40:39 PM
Hey Rich, still really looking forward to this, even though I have basically every edition already! I was curious if you think these will be in our hands before the US release date of the new album. No problem if not, as I understand that these things take time, but I certainly am excited  :)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on September 09, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
I keep looking outside my door and checking my mailbox constantly even though I know it's not gonna be there yet....
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 10, 2013, 12:58:49 AM
It'd just be nice if the publisher would be up front with us. It's pretty shitty form to accept advance payment for something on the understanding it'll be released by a certain point in time yet still not even announce the release date when it's less than 3 weeks away at most. And if there is gonna be a delay causing it to not come out in September, they should refund all the advance order customers a few bucks for false advertising.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 10, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
It'd just be nice if the publisher would be up front with us. It's pretty shitty form to accept advance payment for something on the understanding it'll be released by a certain point in time yet still not even announce the release date when it's less than 3 weeks away at most. And if there is gonna be a delay causing it to not come out in September, they should refund all the advance order customers a few bucks for false advertising.

I sort of agree with this :( A regular preorder would have been fine, but they actually took our money already.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on September 10, 2013, 11:18:59 AM
I don't have a firm release date to confirm, but I understand that it will be around the 25th September.

Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 10, 2013, 12:21:51 PM
Thanks for the update Rich  :D
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on September 10, 2013, 01:36:04 PM
Holy cow guys.. The freakin writer of the book is writing directly to you on a fan forum and answering questions, and you complain that he's not being up front with us?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 10, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
Writer=/=publisher. Calm the f down. I never once accused Rich or implied any fault upon him. I appreciate what he's done but obviously he isn't the guy handling the finances and release date end of it. Or more specifically, if he does have any input on the release date, I doubt he has the power to just say "Hey y'all, release the damn book now!"
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on September 10, 2013, 07:40:22 PM
ok yes silly mistake on my part for that specific, but all I'm saying is I don't see how anyone can complain about the amount of info we get on this. Maybe I just don't know enough about how this usually works, but that's what I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 10, 2013, 10:15:19 PM
Well when you've had your money spent on something for 3 months, it's a bit annoying for the company to do nothing to keep us abreast of something as important as the release date. It's commendable on Rich's part that he's given us the updates he has but the publisher has come off as kind of a fly-by-night with the combination of their willingness to take preorders despite the fact that they apparently couldn't deliver a concrete release date until the eleventh hour at the earliest.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Nofire on September 11, 2013, 01:56:00 AM
Rich - Good!
Publisher - Bad!

Seriously though, I can't wait to read this book, and I'm not that worried. Thanks for the updates Rich!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: andri_ab on September 11, 2013, 03:08:45 AM
Patiently waiting for mine. :)

-andri-
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on September 11, 2013, 06:44:39 AM
In fairness, from the very start, the publishers said that the book was going to be released in September. I do understand your frustrations though, so apologies for that. They certainly aren't "fly by night" though, as anyone who bought the previous editions - also produced by the same people" will testify. I will feed it back to them though, as clearly they don't want unhappy customers. I hope you enjoy when it finally arrives and that it is worth the wait!

Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ReaperKK on September 14, 2013, 07:48:06 PM
Man I can't wait to read this book. Hopefully I'll ave it by the end of the month. :)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: VincentMDO on September 20, 2013, 08:02:35 PM
Any news regarding shipping still on this month?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 21, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
The next update will probably come from your mailbox.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 23, 2013, 08:42:48 AM
Yeah, I'm starting to get a little impatient (not for the book, but for news regarding the release date). I don't care if it will be late October when we get the book (although many will care, I'm sure), but I just want a release date since they already have my money.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Prog Snob on September 23, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
I just pre-ordered mine this past weekend.   ;D
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: WildeSilas on September 25, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
5 days left in September. Starting to worry that I'm being taken for a ride here... :tdwn
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on September 25, 2013, 01:28:41 PM
Sep 25, is anything still happening with this today? Can't wait!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on September 26, 2013, 05:31:27 AM
Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Prog Snob on September 26, 2013, 05:46:09 AM
I've purchased from them before, so there is nothing to worry about.  When it's time, it's time.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: goo-goo on September 26, 2013, 10:25:51 AM
I've purchased from them before, so there is nothing to worry about.  When it's time, it's time.

+1

Purchased both previous releases and have gotten but great service. No complaints here.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 27, 2013, 08:57:01 PM
Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.

People aren't freaking out. They're curious about what's going on since many of us gave Rocket 88 our money in good faith on the assumed condition that we'd have the book in September. We also were led to believe we had a shot at getting it a little early as a perk for preordering. As it stands now, the company has 2 business days (I'm even counting Saturday as a business day) to make good on what they initially told us and have yet to update. In general, it's good business practice to announce release dates in a timely manner and to definitely announce delays if/when they occur. When you throw in the fact that they've already had our full payment for several months, it's a laughably shitty excuse for proper customer relations.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Nofire on September 28, 2013, 03:19:08 AM
Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.

People aren't freaking out. They're curious about what's going on since many of us gave Rocket 88 our money in good faith on the assumed condition that we'd have the book in September. We also were led to believe we had a shot at getting it a little early as a perk for preordering. As it stands now, the company has 2 business days (I'm even counting Saturday as a business day) to make good on what they initially told us and have yet to update. In general, it's good business practice to announce release dates in a timely manner and to definitely announce delays if/when they occur. When you throw in the fact that they've already had our full payment for several months, it's a laughably shitty excuse for proper customer relations.

I agree. They must have known for some time that the book won't be released in september, and it's not that hard for them to send out an e-mail with some information about what's going on. I don't have a problem waiting. Delays can occur without it being anyones fault, but the lack of information bugs me. Poor customer service, and if they are not the exclusive seller of something i want to buy in the future, I will probably not purchase anything from them. Too bad for them.

Has anyone contacted the publishing company and asked them what's going on?
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Post by: Tick on September 28, 2013, 12:59:20 PM
Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.

People aren't freaking out. They're curious about what's going on since many of us gave Rocket 88 our money in good faith on the assumed condition that we'd have the book in September. We also were led to believe we had a shot at getting it a little early as a perk for preordering. As it stands now, the company has 2 business days (I'm even counting Saturday as a business day) to make good on what they initially told us and have yet to update. In general, it's good business practice to announce release dates in a timely manner and to definitely announce delays if/when they occur. When you throw in the fact that they've already had our full payment for several months, it's a laughably shitty excuse for proper customer relations.
I see your point. Lets see what happens come October 1st. I am waiting as every one is and I want my copy soon.
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 01:26:46 PM
Barring a delivery in the next few hours, I can personally confirm Rocket 88 missing the September deadline for at least one buyer :tdwn
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on September 30, 2013, 01:31:43 PM
Yeah it's a shame... I was looking forward to having a copy around this time :(
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 01:42:15 PM
I just don't see why they need a gun to their head to actually make a public statement regarding the ACTUAL release date instead of hiding like charlatans.
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Post by: WildeSilas on September 30, 2013, 03:55:05 PM
If it's not here by tomorrow, I'm either looking for some kind of update from them or my money back. I understand being late on delivery. Not communicating about it is bad PR and inexcusable in the age of e-mail and twitter.
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 05:26:40 PM
Pony Express was out of order this week?
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Post by: Tick on October 01, 2013, 06:03:07 AM
So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 01, 2013, 09:13:13 AM
At this point in time, I'd actually prefer to just get a complete refund without losing one penny of my initial investment (restock fees, etc.) since I actually care more about not giving my money to these people than I do about the book considering the way they do business.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: teclas on October 01, 2013, 10:35:34 AM
With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from.  I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form.  So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.

I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition".  I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
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Post by: Tick on October 01, 2013, 12:39:56 PM
With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from.  I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form.  So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.

I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition".  I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
"100+"??? This book sold for over 100 bucks? I'm confused.
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 01, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from.  I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form.  So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.

I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition".  I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
"100+"??? This book sold for over 100 bucks? I'm confused.

He is referring to the original box set edition, which had two individual books. One was the biography, "Words," while the other was a large collection of photos, aptly titled "Images." It also came with a CD featuring some rarities. I'm not sure of the initial price, but to find that version now can easily cost over $100.
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 01, 2013, 01:14:38 PM
Sucks... Thought we would all have the book at our doorsteps by Sept 30th...
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: teclas on October 01, 2013, 01:34:51 PM
With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from.  I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form.  So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.

I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition".  I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
"100+"??? This book sold for over 100 bucks? I'm confused.

He is referring to the original box set edition, which had two individual books. One was the biography, "Words," while the other was a large collection of photos, aptly titled "Images." It also came with a CD featuring some rarities. I'm not sure of the initial price, but to find that version now can easily cost over $100.

Yeah, that first edition was a hardback version too.  It  came around 2008 and if I  remember correctly with shipping included to the US  price was about $105-$110  :omg:
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 01, 2013, 01:58:51 PM
So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.

Wait the book is out in stores? Really? I'm fine waiting but if it's out in stores then I'd rather just get my money back and pick it up from the local B&N
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 01, 2013, 02:27:13 PM
So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.

Wait the book is out in stores? Really? I'm fine waiting but if it's out in stores then I'd rather just get my money back and pick it up from the local B&N

I think he is being sarcastic since they said the book would be out in September. At least that's what I think he means.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 01, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.

Wait the book is out in stores? Really? I'm fine waiting but if it's out in stores then I'd rather just get my money back and pick it up from the local B&N

I think he is being sarcastic since they said the book would be out in September. At least that's what I think he means.
I'm not being sarcastic, I read on the Lifting Shadows Facebook page, "In stores now!" on the cover for the page. That's where I got that from.
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Post by: Tick on October 01, 2013, 03:16:26 PM
It changed from what it said yesterday! Now it says pre order now! :omg:
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 01, 2013, 04:55:15 PM
Good lord is this company a complete mess  :\
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Post by: WildeSilas on October 01, 2013, 04:58:00 PM
I just emailed demanding my money back or some confirmation of shipping. What a cluster-fuck.
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 01, 2013, 05:06:45 PM
Luckily, I'm 16 and don't need to pay for my own food yet, so the only reason I'm anxious is because I'm looking forward to the book..  :P But yea, honestly now would be the time to start to complain.  :-\
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Post by: ZirconBlue on October 01, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Luckily, I'm 16 and don't need to pay for my own food yet, so the only reason I'm anxious is because I'm looking forward to the book..  :P But yea, honestly now would be the time to start to complain.  :-\




Luckily, I'm 41 and don't need to worry about a couple of dollars, so the only reason I'm anxious is because I'm looking forward to the book.  But, if I felt compelled to complain, I'd probably start on the site that's selling the book instead on a non-affiliated forum. 
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 01, 2013, 09:10:12 PM
good point  :lol I suppose that comment sounds pretty funny to you people with real jobs
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: adastra on October 02, 2013, 01:12:48 AM
No book yet?  :-[
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 02, 2013, 08:04:34 AM
In fairness, from the very start, the publishers said that the book was going to be released in September.
They lied.

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Post by: liran95 on October 02, 2013, 03:41:47 PM
In fairness, from the very start, the publishers said that the book was going to be released in September.
They lied.

We've also been told that we would get LALP at May. Just sayin' (I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME CASE, BUT I'M A COMPLAINER).
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Post by: WildeSilas on October 02, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
I haven't PAID for LALP. The problem here isn't the release being delayed. It's that they took our money, overshot the release, and still haven't communicated with us as to why.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 02, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
Smeagol lied
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 02, 2013, 06:47:13 PM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
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Post by: adastra on October 02, 2013, 11:12:44 PM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(

Almost same here.. It didn't cost that much... But I'm getting so fucking tired with stuff like this. It's like only thing that goes as promised is them taking the payment.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: liran95 on October 03, 2013, 03:18:20 AM
I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.
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Post by: Nofire on October 03, 2013, 03:19:54 AM
I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.

 :tup
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: adastra on October 03, 2013, 03:31:01 AM
I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.

"propably"  :yeahright
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Prog Snob on October 03, 2013, 05:27:58 AM
I'm suddenly reminded of The Money Pit.. two weeks, two weeks.
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Post by: Tick on October 03, 2013, 05:36:12 AM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.
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Post by: adastra on October 03, 2013, 06:21:43 AM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.

So are u saying that u that moneywise u don't care if you bought the item and would never get it ?
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Post by: Tick on October 03, 2013, 06:26:04 AM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.

So are u saying that u that moneywise u don't care if you bought the item and would never get it ?
No. I'm just saying I can loose 10 bucks and it wouldn't be the end of the world. If I have 200 bucks floating out there I would be a bit panicked and a lot more angry. I'm just saying I can blow 10 bucks on a deli sandwich and drink almost any day of the week. I don't want anyone to think I have money to throw away. I don't. Its just easier to absorb a 10 dollar loss than a large amount. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by: adastra on October 03, 2013, 06:28:06 AM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.

So are u saying that u that moneywise u don't care if you bought the item and would never get it ?
No. I'm just saying I can loose 10 bucks and it wouldn't be the end of the world. If I have 200 bucks floating out there I would be a bit panicked and a lot more angry. I'm just saying I can blow 10 bucks on a deli sandwich and drink almost any day of the week. I don't want anyone to think I have money to throw away. I don't. Its just easier to absorb a 10 dollar loss than a large amount. That's all I'm saying.

Oh, damn!  I was already going to PM u my PayPal info  ;D
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Post by: ? on October 03, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 03, 2013, 08:48:59 AM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 06, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
Does anyone know a direct email address for who ever I may need to contact for a refund? I'm just plain fed up with the shitty way in which this has been handled and don't care about the book at all anymore.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Prog Snob on October 06, 2013, 01:46:21 PM
I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.

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Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 06, 2013, 01:55:33 PM
Thanks man, but that statement is rubbish to me given how they've handled things to this point. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it happens but I don't feel good about it.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Prog Snob on October 06, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
That is purely my point. "Probably" is not reliable.

"I should probably be doing something else besides posting on DTF right now."  Yet here I sit.   ;)
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Post by: JayOctavarium on October 06, 2013, 02:10:55 PM
"I should probably be doing something else besides posting on DTF right now."  Yet here I sit.   ;)


I say that every morning here...


wait this isn't the chat thread...


seriously glad I didn't preorder this though :/
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Post by: WildeSilas on October 06, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
I've contacted them twice to no avail and complained on their FB page. Their website and FB page are currently ejaculating endless Dinosaur Jr. info, which is a bad sign to begin with, because yeah I'll say, Dinosaur Jr. sucks oxen testicles. Enough is enough. I just want some acknowledgment that they've taken my money and didn't ship on time, at the very least. They should be refunding a percentage of the cost at this point, but I've got the feeling they're sitting around smoking week and listening to Dinosaur Fucking Jr. What a shitty way to do business. Pissed.  :censored
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: adastra on October 06, 2013, 10:54:21 PM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(

IMO  comments like these are the main reason why companies don't even care to follow the deadlines.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 06, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
So, if Rocket 88 continues their ongoing fly-by-night bullshit, what is our best way to pursue legal action? (since WildeSilas said they won't even correspond with him about a refund) I have zero trust in them as of now.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2013, 11:13:49 PM
Contact the Better Business Bureau?  Email them and threaten them with legal activity if they don't refund your money for something they never sent you? 

Bottom line: this is piss poor business practice, and there is simply no excuse for treating your customers this poorly. 
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 06, 2013, 11:40:07 PM
Does the BBB even handle anything in Europe or is there a similar thing in that part of the world?
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Post by: ProgressiveIce on October 07, 2013, 03:39:46 AM
seriously glad I didn't preorder this though :/
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: WildeSilas on October 07, 2013, 06:33:30 AM
Finally got a response (after three messages, complaining on thier FB page and finally getting nasty about it) this morning. Books were late coming from the distributor but should ship in the next 48 hours. It's ridiculous that I had to ask for a refund, call them assholes, and accuse them of ripling me off just to get info about the delay. They need to be reported to the BBB regardless at this point.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 07, 2013, 06:53:03 AM
Does the BBB even handle anything in Europe or is there a similar thing in that part of the world?
The BBB is a fucking farce to begin with. The more you pay them the better your rating. They are a worthless pile of crap!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: WildeSilas on October 07, 2013, 08:51:02 AM
True. But when you're trying to sell a book about a specific band and you manage to piss of the entire potential customer base by appearing to have ripped them off....Not sure they care one way or the other to begin with. I feel bad for Rich in all of this, hope it doesn't affect him negatively.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2013, 09:24:55 AM
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore.  The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time.  You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well.  Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.

I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 07, 2013, 10:12:27 AM
True. But when you're trying to sell a book about a specific band and you manage to piss of the entire potential customer base by appearing to have ripped them off....Not sure they care one way or the other to begin with. I feel bad for Rich in all of this, hope it doesn't affect him negatively.
You can feel bad, but don't feel too bad. I'm sure he is not clueless and as the author he is probably aware of the frustration yet I don't see him appearing to say anything about it. I feel bad that he probably can't control the situation, but if he dropped by to update us, I doubt anyone would be all that upset.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 07, 2013, 01:38:05 PM

I just got the email that they're preparing my shipment.







I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore.  The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time.  You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well.  Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.

I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.




Personally, I don't care about getting stuff on release day.  Going out to the store is a hassle for me, in general, plus I'd have to remember the release dates on stuff.  I'd rather preorder it, and then not worry about it.  It'll show up on my doorstep sometime around the release date and I'll be happy. 
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 07, 2013, 03:46:28 PM
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(

IMO  comments like these are the main reason why companies don't even care to follow the deadlines.

Was there an actual deadline though? 
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2013, 07:37:27 PM
Not that I ever heard.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Another_Won on October 07, 2013, 08:05:19 PM

I just got the email that they're preparing my shipment.







I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore.  The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time.  You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well.  Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.

I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.




Personally, I don't care about getting stuff on release day.  Going out to the store is a hassle for me, in general, plus I'd have to remember the release dates on stuff.  I'd rather preorder it, and then not worry about it.  It'll show up on my doorstep sometime around the release date and I'll be happy.

Just got the email too.  I've learned to be patient about these things.  I'm sure I'll love it an not even remember any of the delays.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 08, 2013, 05:30:09 AM

I just got the email that they're preparing my shipment.







I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore.  The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time.  You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well.  Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.

I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.




Personally, I don't care about getting stuff on release day.  Going out to the store is a hassle for me, in general, plus I'd have to remember the release dates on stuff.  I'd rather preorder it, and then not worry about it.  It'll show up on my doorstep sometime around the release date and I'll be happy.

Just got the email too.  I've learned to be patient about these things.  I'm sure I'll love it an not even remember any of the delays.
NO! You will think about the delays before flipping each page!!!!! >:(





just kiddin! :tick2:
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 08, 2013, 05:45:02 AM
I didn't get an email yet, but I will be patient for now.

ohmmmmmm
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 08, 2013, 07:19:43 AM
I didn't get an email yet, but I will be patient for now.

ohmmmmmm

Same here.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: WildeSilas on October 08, 2013, 08:28:17 AM
It's well and fine if the money is no big thing, but I'm on a single income and disability, my wife is on unpaid sick leave due to an injury, I have two kids and a mortgage payment. The money IS a big deal to me - I buy very few things for entertainment purposes because money is so tight right now. So I'm pretty adamant that I either get what I paid for or my money back. I can use it on other things - like food, gas, etc. Even then, I don't mind it being late, I mind the publisher missing the promised release period and not communicating that to me when I've already given them money.
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Post by: Onno on October 08, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
I got the email too today.
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Post by: Implode on October 08, 2013, 11:15:48 AM
I didn't. :(

EDIT: Oh wait. I just checked my email and there it was. :lol
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Post by: Nick on October 08, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore.  The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time.  You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well.  Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.

I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.

Unless you're pre-ordering Call of Duty for a midnight release. :hat

My friends and I had a blast on Black Ops II day, and are looking forward to it again for Ghosts.
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Post by: Dark Castle on October 08, 2013, 11:21:48 AM
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore.  The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time.  You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well.  Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.

I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.

Unless you're pre-ordering Call of Duty for a midnight release. :hat

My friends and I had a blast on Black Ops II day, and are looking forward to it again for Ghosts.
Plebian Call of Duty player, join Battlefield master race. #notallowedtohaveyourownopinion #notallowedtolikeboth #botharegoodintheirownways #hashtagsarestupid
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 08, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
I didn't get an email yet, but I will be patient for now.

ohmmmmmm

Same here.

Same here also
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 08, 2013, 11:57:45 AM
I just got my email. It has shipped and I should receive it in a couple days.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on October 08, 2013, 01:19:36 PM
Just got my shipment confirmation and tracking number.  Should receive the book in 2-3 days.

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Post by: ReaperKK on October 08, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
I want an email :(
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Post by: wasteland on October 09, 2013, 06:14:31 AM
I want an email :(

Same  :blush
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 09, 2013, 06:20:38 AM
I want an email :(

Same  :blush

ohmmmmmm
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Post by: Nofire on October 09, 2013, 06:24:19 AM
For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 09, 2013, 06:29:51 AM
For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.

It might be based on when the order was placed, not necessarily where.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on October 09, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.


USA.  North Carolina, to be precise.
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Post by: ? on October 09, 2013, 09:46:53 AM
For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
It might be based on when the order was placed, not necessarily where.
This. I ordered the book at the beginning of September and haven't received an email yet.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 09, 2013, 09:49:07 AM
For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
It might be based on when the order was placed, not necessarily where.
This. I ordered the book at the beginning of September and haven't received an email yet.

Sep 21st for me, so you should hopefully get one before me.
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 09, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
I'm in California and I ordered June 26. No info yet, weird.
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Post by: wasteland on October 09, 2013, 10:22:01 AM
For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.

Italy, and I ordered back in June.
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Post by: krands85 on October 09, 2013, 11:49:23 AM
UK - June - No email.

I don't even remember if the site itself said the book would be available in September, or if it was just Rich's estimate posted here. The confirmation email just says "This is a pre-order, the product will be dispatched as soon as it is available."
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 09, 2013, 02:54:30 PM
I ordered July 1st and am located in New Jersey, US.

I just got the e-mail.
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 09, 2013, 03:01:06 PM
Just got an email it's being processed! yay!
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Post by: wasteland on October 09, 2013, 04:25:08 PM
I can definitely see a pattern. The Yankees are getting the emails and we Old-Worlders aren't. DAMN MMMURICA
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 09, 2013, 04:28:27 PM
The Yankees...they're in...Chattanooga. 
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Post by: goo-goo on October 09, 2013, 04:33:45 PM
Ordered Aug 16. No email yet.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 09, 2013, 05:27:32 PM
Ordered it the day the presale went up, whenever that was, and got the email when the first people in this thread said they did and the next day got shipping confirmation.  I'm in Iowa.
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Post by: Implode on October 09, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Someone else in Iowa!! :O
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 09, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
Someone else in Iowa!! :O

Welcome to Iowa, Population 2
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Post by: Implode on October 09, 2013, 09:35:23 PM
Hey. I've been going to school in Iowa for 4 years now. There was to be at least 13 people here.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 09, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
Hey. I've been going to school in Iowa for 4 years now. There was to be at least 13 people here.

Wow. I have more people at my house for a holiday dinner.   ;)
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Post by: adastra on October 09, 2013, 11:53:19 PM
Great thing that people have started to get their orders shipped!
I haven't yet received my email, but I'm sure it will come soon!
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on October 10, 2013, 12:06:46 AM
southern Calfornia checking in, got my email this morning.
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Post by: Nofire on October 10, 2013, 01:54:17 AM
Someone else in Iowa!! :O

Welcome to Iowa, Population 2

Having lived in Iowa, I consider myself half-Iowan, so make that 2.5! Wish I still lived there, since that might have improved my chances of getting the book faster!  ;) I ordered it in August btw, so maybe they process the orders after when they were made. I just hope they don't run out of copies before they get to me :P
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Post by: ? on October 10, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
I can definitely see a pattern. The Yankees are getting the emails and we Old-Worlders aren't. DAMN MMMURICA
YANKEES! :getoffmylawn:
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Post by: krands85 on October 10, 2013, 06:31:48 AM
I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"
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Post by: jmarkwilson on October 10, 2013, 07:03:54 AM
My book has arrived in the UK.
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Post by: Tick on October 10, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
I live in Connecticut and I still have received nothing.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on October 10, 2013, 09:01:04 AM
I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"


They send that one first, then a "your order has shipped" message.  My ship message came a day after the initial message.
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 10, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"

you aren't going to tell us where you live??  :P
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 10, 2013, 10:12:20 AM
yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.
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Post by: wasteland on October 10, 2013, 10:18:33 AM
yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.

Same. What's the warehouse? ??? It's not a term I'm familiar with with regards to shipping stuff.
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Post by: krands85 on October 10, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"

you aren't going to tell us where you live??  :P
Sorry, mentioned it a few posts earlier - I'm in the UK.

They send that one first, then a "your order has shipped" message.  My ship message came a day after the initial message.
:tup I got a follow-up email a couple of hours ago saying mine has now shipped.
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 10, 2013, 11:13:16 AM
yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.

Same. What's the warehouse? ??? It's not a term I'm familiar with with regards to shipping stuff.

I think it's the place where all the millions of books arrive so that they can get shipped. I guess it just means the physical books have been shipped from the place that printed them, and is now at the place that has our orders. I think. And the email came from "Rocket 88, Essential Works," so it would be their warehouse.
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 10, 2013, 11:51:56 AM
yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.

this

Edit: Never mind... just got the 2nd e-mail. Estimated arrival Oct 14-15th!
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Post by: ? on October 10, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
I haven't received any email yet :sadpanda: On the other hand it doesn't matter that much, because I won't return to my apartment until the end of next week and I'll be busy with some school stuff and my song roulette anyway, so I won't have a lot of time for reading in a while.
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 10, 2013, 01:00:38 PM
just got the 2nd e-mail. Estimated arrival Oct 14-15th!

Just got this too.
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 10, 2013, 01:47:17 PM
Yay, my book arrived! I can't wait to sit down and read this later (even though the only thing new will be the last chapter, as I have both previous editions  :lol).
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Post by: wasteland on October 10, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
Same. I'll probably get it at the end of the month.
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Post by: BelichickFan on October 10, 2013, 05:42:07 PM
I got mine today in CA.
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Post by: MetropolisDLX on October 10, 2013, 08:23:25 PM
Mine showed up today in Utah.  :smiley: This edition is half the size of the previous hard covers so I didn't think it was the book at first since the package was so small.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on October 11, 2013, 06:21:13 AM
Mine arrived in the mail yesterday.
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Post by: Another_Won on October 11, 2013, 06:27:50 AM
Mine arrived in the mail yesterday.
Me too.  I was only able to read the first two pages.  This will be a good read.

he he I did sneak to the last chapter and read a paragraph
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 11, 2013, 06:34:03 AM
Damn, no email for me :(

Maybe I'll be lucky and it'll just show up today, I'd love to read it over the weekend.
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Post by: krands85 on October 11, 2013, 06:45:13 AM
Mine arrived this morning  :D

I've wanted to read this since I first heard about it, really looking forward to it  :tup
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Post by: Tick on October 11, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
I finally got a response from this company after being nice didn't work. Mine is "in the Que and ready to ship"

Not happy with the way this went. Probably because of this thread. That old mob mentality effected me I guess.

 
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Post by: Nofire on October 11, 2013, 08:41:18 AM
Just sent them and e-mail asking about the delay. 5 minutes later I got this response:

"Hello Nofire

Thanks for getting in touch. We have had a slight hold up in printing the books however they have arrived in our warehouse and books are now shipping.

We have many orders to get through but can see your order is currently queued to go to the warehouse and is due to be sent to you next week

You will recieve a shipping notification once it the book is sent, apologies for the delay but your book will be with you soon."


At least they haven't forgotten about me, and I must say that the response was quick as hell.

Edit: I placed my order on August 24th.
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Post by: Tick on October 11, 2013, 08:50:37 AM
Just sent them and e-mail asking about the delay. 5 minutes later I got this response:

"Hello Nofire

Thanks for getting in touch. We have had a slight hold up in printing the books however they have arrived in our warehouse and books are now shipping.

We have many orders to get through but can see your order is currently queued to go to the warehouse and is due to be sent to you next week

You will recieve a shipping notification once it the book is sent, apologies for the delay but your book will be with you soon."


At least they haven't forgotten about me, and I must say that the response was quick as hell.

Edit: I placed my order on August 24th.
Same email I got. Took me a couple inquiry's to get the response.
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 11, 2013, 08:55:08 AM
I thought I'd chime in to let people that already have the previous edition know that there are only about 25 new pages covering Mike's departure and ADTOE.

To be fair, Rich didn't even have to update it, but he is nice enough to do so basically for free (since the publisher would have put out a new paperback edition anyways).

The book is great, but I just thought I'd warn those who bought it just for the new chapters. If you don't already have a previous edition (or if you have the first edition, since the Black Clouds chapter plus the two new ones make it worth an upgrade), absolutely buy this book.

You might be amazed what new things you will learn about the band.
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 11, 2013, 09:27:58 AM
25 pages isn't too short a chapter is it? And we knew it was only one chapter added. Thanks for the info!
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 11, 2013, 09:47:19 AM
25 pages isn't too short a chapter is it? And we knew it was only one chapter added. Thanks for the info!

No, it is a pretty decent length, and I'm happy with it, but I just don't want people to go into it with unrealistic expectations :)
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Post by: JPX on October 11, 2013, 09:58:36 AM
Ordered mine July 12th, live in Buffalo NY - no email...zip...nada...this is really pathetic service.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on October 11, 2013, 10:23:18 AM
I thought I'd chime in to let people that already have the previous edition know that there are only about 25 new pages covering Mike's departure and ADTOE.


Thanks for the spoiler.



Jerk
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Post by: TheAtliator on October 11, 2013, 10:38:52 AM
Yea man that wasn't cool. Just at least don't give away who got the job as the new drummer or we'll all be pissed.  :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 11, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
Wow, you guys didn't know that Mike Mangini left yet? Crazy...
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Post by: JayOctavarium on October 11, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
wut
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Post by: Shadow2222 on October 11, 2013, 11:42:36 AM
wut

Yeah. It just happened like a week ago, I think? Why do you think the book was delayed? Rich had to handwrite a new chapter in every book.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 11, 2013, 12:49:15 PM
Here is the email I just received:

"It's late, we know. We apologise, its been frustrating, you've cursed us, but we are very pleased to say... Lifting Shadows is now shipping and your copy will be with you soon.

Many copies have already gone out and some have already landed on doorsteps around the world.

We have a lot of orders to get through, so if you have not already had notification that your book has shipped, you will receive an email in the next few days to let you know your book is on the way.

Meanwhile if you want to take a look at a few advance copies, check them out on our Facebook page.

Enjoy your book!"
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 11, 2013, 03:10:40 PM
Got mine in the mail
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Post by: VincentMDO on October 11, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
I got this email too, but it means they are sending all of them, not that especifically mine has been sent. Still waiting. :P
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Post by: Implode on October 11, 2013, 08:32:41 PM
I got the book today. :metal
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on October 11, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
25 pages isn't too short a chapter is it? And we knew it was only one chapter added. Thanks for the info!

Those who have read both the first and second editions from cover to cover will have noticed that the back chapters have been expanded and updated with more detail.  Perhaps the third edition includes even more info on earlier chapters?

Looking forward to my copy.

The 4th confirmation email I received (which mentions "cursing" the publisher) made me think that when the DTF fans speak, someone out there is listening. 
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 12, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
I've seen a few posts in here from people whom previously were very dissatisfied with how Rocket 88 handled this situation only to turn the other cheek and say that it's all good now that they've gotten their book in a way that unintentionally implies that it was okay for Rocket 88 to leave us in the dark as completely as they did. While I personally despise the practice of trying to meddle in others' standpoints on matters that aren't directly my business and agree that it generally is most productive to not let things get to you, I just get the feeling that businesses have zero motivation to improve their manner of handling their affairs if people openly post on the internet about how "it's all good now (etc.)" simply because it's a matter the consumer no longer has to be concerned with.

Seeing as how the publisher was definitely aware of the internet shit storm that was created by their refusal to be up front with us, they obviously knew that people were annoyed/pissed/whatever about how it was going down throughout the last month-plus yet they never bothered to address us in any way until they could just hush us up with confirmation emails. Basically, they couldn't handle the heat at times when they wouldn't have been able to provide us with an answer we wanted to hear and strung us along leaving us to wonder if we'd been ripped off.

I'm not saying to flame them or go talking shit about them all over the internet because sour grapes seldom yield progress but I also think that if they were aware of how pissed people were with them that they were probably either viewing this forum, FB, or some other internet outlet or had minions of theirs reporting back to them. If they were concerned about their reputation enough to vaguely address it in their "apologising" email then, chances are, they still were looking at their Lifting Shadows FB page, DTF, etc. after their recent email campaign in order to see how their PR was holding up in the aftermath of all of this. So now if/when they see this page of this thread, they see that most folks cave in and let bygones be bygones simply because they have a book in hand and Rocket 88 feels validated in the way they handled this because all it takes to reverse bad PR is a few emails and eventually delivering the goods despite being badly MIA.
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on October 12, 2013, 12:24:50 AM
I never had an issue with the delay in the first place, and thus didn't complain about it.

Most dissatisfied customers are likely to become satiated when a company reacts to a complaint and tries to fix it.  I found this to be a common reflex in my bygone years of customer service jobs.  Its refreshing when a company has the sense to openly admit it goofed up.

I feel that Rocket 88 recognized its error in poor communication, and has addressed it to best of its abilitiy.  If this means that folks wont be so trusting in preordering a 4th edition (should that day come), then that is the ultimate penalty of this mishap.   

As a sideline observer, I never got the sense that anyone was "caving in."   The issue is getting resolved, what more can they ask for?
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 12, 2013, 06:45:12 AM
The Mob Rules!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ? on October 12, 2013, 09:03:56 AM
Here is the email I just received:

"It's late, we know. We apologise, its been frustrating, you've cursed us, but we are very pleased to say... Lifting Shadows is now shipping and your copy will be with you soon.

Many copies have already gone out and some have already landed on doorsteps around the world.

We have a lot of orders to get through, so if you have not already had notification that your book has shipped, you will receive an email in the next few days to let you know your book is on the way.

Meanwhile if you want to take a look at a few advance copies, check them out on our Facebook page.

Enjoy your book!"
I got the same email!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2013, 01:52:06 PM
I've seen a few posts in here from people whom previously were very dissatisfied with how Rocket 88 handled this situation only to turn the other cheek and say that it's all good now that they've gotten their book in a way that unintentionally implies that it was okay for Rocket 88 to leave us in the dark as completely as they did. While I personally despise the practice of trying to meddle in others' standpoints on matters that aren't directly my business and agree that it generally is most productive to not let things get to you, I just get the feeling that businesses have zero motivation to improve their manner of handling their affairs if people openly post on the internet about how "it's all good now (etc.)" simply because it's a matter the consumer no longer has to be concerned with.

Seeing as how the publisher was definitely aware of the internet shit storm that was created by their refusal to be up front with us, they obviously knew that people were annoyed/pissed/whatever about how it was going down throughout the last month-plus yet they never bothered to address us in any way until they could just hush us up with confirmation emails. Basically, they couldn't handle the heat at times when they wouldn't have been able to provide us with an answer we wanted to hear and strung us along leaving us to wonder if we'd been ripped off.

I'm not saying to flame them or go talking shit about them all over the internet because sour grapes seldom yield progress but I also think that if they were aware of how pissed people were with them that they were probably either viewing this forum, FB, or some other internet outlet or had minions of theirs reporting back to them. If they were concerned about their reputation enough to vaguely address it in their "apologising" email then, chances are, they still were looking at their Lifting Shadows FB page, DTF, etc. after their recent email campaign in order to see how their PR was holding up in the aftermath of all of this. So now if/when they see this page of this thread, they see that most folks cave in and let bygones be bygones simply because they have a book in hand and Rocket 88 feels validated in the way they handled this because all it takes to reverse bad PR is a few emails and eventually delivering the goods despite being badly MIA.

It's battered wife syndrome!  He treats her like crap most of the time, but all it takes is one night of sending flowers and taking her out to dinner and she loves him unconditionally again.  In this instance, Rocket 88 finally sending the book is akin to sending flowers and taking each fan out to dinner. :lol
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ReaperKK on October 12, 2013, 06:26:44 PM
Here is the email I just received:

"It's late, we know. We apologise, its been frustrating, you've cursed us, but we are very pleased to say... Lifting Shadows is now shipping and your copy will be with you soon.

Many copies have already gone out and some have already landed on doorsteps around the world.

We have a lot of orders to get through, so if you have not already had notification that your book has shipped, you will receive an email in the next few days to let you know your book is on the way.

Meanwhile if you want to take a look at a few advance copies, check them out on our Facebook page.

Enjoy your book!"
I got the same email!

Same here, now if I would only get the book.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on October 12, 2013, 07:16:19 PM
Yay!! I got my book earlier today
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on October 13, 2013, 04:07:48 AM
Hi all

I've just got back from over 2 weeks away to see all of this. I had zero mobile phone signal, no other phones or internet access where we were. I'll find out exactly what is going on tomorrow with the publishers and will update you as to where and when books were / are being shipped etc ...

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Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 13, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Got the book!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: TheAtliator on October 13, 2013, 03:14:32 PM
Rich, your book is already changing my life on the 17th page. You rock!  :metal
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Post by: adastra on October 13, 2013, 11:40:58 PM
Yeah! ^_^  Got my email!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Sycsa on October 14, 2013, 04:50:26 AM
Let me know when someone in Europe gets it.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on October 14, 2013, 01:08:58 PM
Hi

Spoke to them today, and all the books are in the process of being sent out. Apologies for the delay - they always indicated a publication date of September, so the fact that it's now October is a fair criticism.
For the record, I don't think that they keep tabs on DTF or the LS Facebook page - that is my job and as I have been away for the best part of three weeks, they won't have been aware.

Anyway, sincere apologies from myself and I hope you enjoy reading the book once you receive it.

Rich
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Post by: WildeSilas on October 14, 2013, 08:16:23 PM
Rich, I DEVOURED the book in 48 hours. SO good.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Prog Snob on October 14, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
Rich, I DEVOURED the book in 48 hours. SO good.

Informative, yet fibrous.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: XB0BX on October 15, 2013, 08:27:08 PM
About to pick one up. :)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: adastra on October 15, 2013, 11:30:53 PM
I hope my copy comes today!!! ^_________^  !!!
I would have the best weekend ever devouring it!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 16, 2013, 11:34:27 AM
I've been reading a few pages every night since I got the book. I finished the first chapter last night and it's a great read for sure!
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Post by: Tick on October 16, 2013, 11:58:23 AM
Finally!
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Post by: fibreoptix on October 16, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
Had mine bought for me as a Christmas present and it arrived today. God, it's torturous not being able to open it.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: JPX on October 16, 2013, 05:17:09 PM
Ordered mine July 12th, live in Buffalo NY - no email...zip...nada...this is really pathetic service.

Got mine today.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Tick on October 17, 2013, 05:22:43 AM
Digging the book so far. I think I need to improve the strength of my reading glasses!
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Post by: Nofire on October 17, 2013, 05:23:09 AM
Still no e-mail nor book...  :-\
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2013, 05:47:59 AM
Still no e-mail nor book...  :-\

I ordered mine fairly late, so I probably won't get mine or another week or so.
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 17, 2013, 07:11:03 AM
I got the email that books will be shipping out shortly, not one saying mine has shipped. I was hoping to get it this weekend so I can read it while I'm in TN.
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Post by: TheRich13 on October 17, 2013, 08:17:10 AM
Got the 1st email last Friday and received the book yesterday (wed )
I'm in South FL.
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Post by: Virtualman64 on October 17, 2013, 02:25:33 PM
Finally got mine yesterday,can't put it down.Only complaint is that I was expecting lots of great photos.Other than that I love it.Thanks,to Rich!
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Post by: Sycsa on October 21, 2013, 03:19:33 AM
Okay, I just got a letter from my post office that I can pick it up this Thursday. I'm in Eastern Europe. My DT12 tee also arrived recently, can't wait to have me a DT feast. 

Edit: scratch that, it was a different package. So still no book. Imagine my disappointment.
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Post by: JRuless on October 21, 2013, 11:31:28 AM
I'm from the Netherlands and got it today! Read the first 2 chapters sofar, very informing. 
Funny thing is that I've never read a word from the original hardcover Images and Words version of the book, it's stands there unread in the cabinet.

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Post by: Rich Wilson on October 21, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
If anyone one is worried about not receiving a book / email etc, then best bet is to contact the publishers via the Lifting Shadows website:

https://rocket88books.com/contacts/ (https://rocket88books.com/contacts/)
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Post by: Elite on October 22, 2013, 05:09:57 AM
Got the book in this morning! I already read the first chapter and really enjoyed it! I'll read some moore tonight. :)
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Post by: Tick on October 22, 2013, 11:12:46 AM

You might think a book about a band like Dream Theater could be a bit boring due to lack of drama, but it’s the opposite. The dedication to the craft and determination to do it there way and still succeed is quite inspiring. I am enjoying the book so far. I’m about a third of the way through it.
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Post by: Virtualman64 on October 22, 2013, 12:46:28 PM
I'm almost finished with the book,as I can't put it down.Incredible!Two stories come to mind that were very interesting.First the coincidence with the "Live Scenes" cover art,and second the making of Octavarium with the octave reference.I also love the stories behind making all the albums.I will not spoil anything though for those who have not read it yet.I have found myself with a deeper appreciation,and respect for the guys,and a desire to buy up every official bootleg,official release cds,dvds,and vinyl that I can.
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Post by: SystematicThought on October 22, 2013, 02:00:47 PM
I'm interested in reading the new chapter, but don't want to spend the money on buying the same book again. I'm looking forward to hearing reactions to that chapter.
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 25, 2013, 06:46:00 AM
Just the first email. . .  Still no book :( I wanna read it!
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Post by: Nofire on October 25, 2013, 12:24:04 PM
Got the e-mail yesterday that my book was being sent to the warehouse, and today that it has been shipped and should arrive around the 30th-1st. Ordered it at the end of august.
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Post by: ? on October 25, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Got the e-mail yesterday that my book was being sent to the warehouse, and today that it has been shipped and should arrive around the 30th-1st. Ordered it at the end of august.
All of this, except I ordered at the beginning of September.
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Post by: wasteland on October 25, 2013, 04:39:13 PM
Mine was scheduled to arrive 10 days ago. Unfortunately the heavy usage of written English brught be to mispell slightly the name of my hometown (from Sant'Elena to San't Elena). But it would be sickeningly stupid if whatever courier was put in charge of the delivery didn't find a match for the delivery even with that mistake. :/
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Post by: ? on October 26, 2013, 12:19:38 AM
The ä and ö in the name of my street had been replaced with a and o in the latest email, but I know the mailman will find the right address :D
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Post by: Sycsa on October 27, 2013, 09:16:08 AM
Got the book, I'm really happy with it. The papers are of good quality and I really like the font size. Lots of content for 350 pages. As it was mentioned, there are no pictures inside, which I'm OK with. Happy even. One small complaint, the cover is a bit beat up with small dents and tears here and there. I guess it had a rough trip. I don't really care though, I'm thoroughly enjoying it. At least I won't feel compelled to read it wearing gloves and can take it with me on trips without worry.
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Post by: volwrath on October 27, 2013, 03:07:46 PM
OK this has probably been covered somewhere on this thread, but is the paperback coming to Amazon?  I have the last hardbound so would like to buy it locally.

Thanks.  Also I would like to reiterate the desire for a kindle version.
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 27, 2013, 08:08:45 PM
Finally got my email saying it's shipping out! Can't wait!!
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 28, 2013, 07:03:56 AM
Finally got my email saying it's shipping out! Can't wait!!

Mine's heading to the warehouse finally.   :metal
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 28, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
I'm so pumped about getting this book. Hopefully I'll have it in my hands before this weekend so I can go boating, have a beer or two and read while lying out in the sun.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 28, 2013, 12:52:56 PM
Greetings,

We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items, and that this completes your order.  Thanks for shopping with us, and we hope to see you again soon.

Your order was shipped via USPS Priority Mail + Delivery Confirmation, and is estimated to arrive October 30, 2013 - October 31, 2013.


FINALLY!   :yarr
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Post by: Tick on October 29, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
Almost done reading it. Good read indeed!
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on October 30, 2013, 05:04:48 AM
I'd like to point out that Scotty did a great job with this edition's cover art.
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Post by: Fisi on October 30, 2013, 10:35:26 AM
I got the shipping email on the 9th day of this month and the estimated shipping date was October 14th - 16th. I still haven't seen the book, so I guess I should contact them to ask what to do. After reading the comments here I definitely would like to get it.  :sadpanda:
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 30, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
Just got my book in the mail today! Woooo, I don't want to read it all in a few days I'll have to pace myself.

Fisi, I would contact them personally. I had a tracking confirmation with mine.
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Post by: Rich Wilson on October 30, 2013, 03:13:26 PM
I got the shipping email on the 9th day of this month and the estimated shipping date was October 14th - 16th. I still haven't seen the book, so I guess I should contact them to ask what to do. After reading the comments here I definitely would like to get it.  :sadpanda:

Yes, please just contact them via the link I posted above and I'm sure they will chase it up for you.
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Post by: Tick on October 31, 2013, 06:09:09 AM
Finished! :)
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Post by: Sycsa on October 31, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
I don't think anyone else had a deeper appreciation for the mailman on that particular day than me:
(https://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9599/p53y.jpg)
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Post by: Nofire on November 04, 2013, 08:20:28 AM
Just got the book!
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Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 05, 2013, 02:21:55 AM
Just finished reading the book. The book, for me, unfolded a lot like DT's career. It was off to a very gradual start, but then I just couldn't stop. Great read, even if a lot of it was information that I'd already collected in bits and pieces over time, getting so many other perspectives on it as well as learning new things, this is one of those things that reminds me just how much I love and cherish this band and their music.
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Post by: adastra on November 08, 2013, 02:06:09 AM
My E-mail said that it should arrive between 30.10. and 1.11.   and it hasn't arrived yet  :'(
How can it be so fucking hard to get to read this book.  :P
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Post by: ? on November 08, 2013, 02:59:16 AM
My E-mail said that it should arrive between 30.10. and 1.11.   and it hasn't arrived yet  :'(
Same here. I wonder if there's a problem with the Finnish mail...
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Post by: adastra on November 08, 2013, 04:35:40 AM
My E-mail said that it should arrive between 30.10. and 1.11.   and it hasn't arrived yet  :'(
Same here. I wonder if there's a problem with the Finnish mail...

Or Seinäjoki mail...   :laugh:
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Post by: ? on November 08, 2013, 04:44:47 AM
I ordered it to my address in Tampere :P
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Post by: adastra on November 08, 2013, 05:25:10 AM
I ordered it to my address in Tampere :P

 :'( What......  Are u saying that u have left Seinäjoki?  :'(
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Post by: ? on November 08, 2013, 06:51:37 AM
Yeah, I've started studying at the uni in Tampere.

/off-topic
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Post by: adastra on November 08, 2013, 06:57:29 AM
Yeah, I've started studying at the uni in Tampere.

/off-topic

 :'( How could this have happened???   :'( I just keep thinking if there was something I could have done to prevent this  :'(
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Post by: BFRedrocks on November 08, 2013, 11:44:18 AM
I have the original version and the second hard cover version, yet both have somehow gone virtually unread.  Regardless, everyone's enthusiasm with this version prompted me to get it just now...I figure if I got around to reading the other versions, once I got to the end I'd want the new chapter anyway, so what's another $20 or so?   :yarr
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Post by: ? on November 14, 2013, 08:56:04 AM
I bought the Luna Park DVD today and when I got home there was a book package waiting for me :D This will be a DT-filled weekend :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on November 14, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
I bought the Luna Park DVD today and when I got home there was a book package waiting for me :D This will be a DT-filled weekend :metal

 :metal

I plan on watching Luna Park again this weekend. 
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Post by: adastra on November 15, 2013, 04:03:31 AM
Yeah, I finally got the book!!!  It's gonna be a great weekend!!! :3  I'm gonna devour it like a 10$ Hooker.
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Post by: Prog Snob on November 15, 2013, 06:13:29 AM
Yeah, I finally got the book!!!  It's gonna be a great weekend!!! :3  I'm gonna devour it like a 10$ Hooker.

 :lol
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Post by: ReaperKK on November 15, 2013, 06:44:32 PM
Over half way done with the book, does anyone else read quotes from the band members in their voices?
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Post by: Prog Snob on November 15, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
Over half way done with the book, does anyone else read quotes from the band members in their voices?

I do that with everything...


Titty sprinkles
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Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 15, 2013, 08:34:28 PM
Over half way done with the book, does anyone else read quotes from the band members in their voices?

Yup, for sure. Which makes it that much more difficult when I'm reading quotes from people I don't know.
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Post by: TheAtliator on November 15, 2013, 10:47:25 PM
I hate it when I start reading a quote in some voice that I know totally doesn't fit the personality of what's being said, yet I have that voice stuck in my head so I can't stop reading with it. I don't know if that made any sense, but that's what happens to me sometimes  :lol
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Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 16, 2013, 01:35:08 AM
I hate it when I start reading a quote in some voice that I know totally doesn't fit the personality of what's being said, yet I have that voice stuck in my head so I can't stop reading with it. I don't know if that made any sense, but that's what happens to me sometimes  :lol

I usually manage to change the voice. As soon as MP started talking about what a jerk David Prater was, I just kept hearing him with the most arrogantly annoying tone ever. He even comes off like that in his interviews... Or is that because of the voice in my head?
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Post by: wasteland on November 16, 2013, 02:08:55 AM
My book arrived, but I need to come back home to get it, which will happen in a week. And yes, I will read the members' quotes in their tooone  :lol
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Post by: ? on November 17, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
I have an exam on Tuesday, so I haven't been able to read the book a lot, but I've managed to get through the first 100 pages and it's been very insightful. When MP said "I came through that class with flying colours" in the first chapter, I was thinking "nuggetz!" :D
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Post by: Onno on November 17, 2013, 08:38:40 AM
I'm done reading the book, and I loved it! A few things that caught my eye:

- David Prater comes across as a complete fucktard. Wow.
- MP was more involved in the songwriting than I thought
- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"
- I hadn't noticed Live at the Marquee also had triggered snare drums
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Post by: Rich Wilson on November 17, 2013, 09:41:08 AM
I'm done reading the book, and I loved it! A few things that caught my eye:

- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"


I'll have to check that. Can't believe I've done that!  :facepalm:
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Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 17, 2013, 01:57:59 PM
- MP was more involved in the songwriting than I thought
Funny, because MP was LESS involved in the songwriting than I thought.

- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"

Yeah, I noticed that too.  :lol
But hey, aside from BCSL, I kind of agree with a lot of it.
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Post by: ? on November 17, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
- David Prater comes across as a complete fucktard. Wow.
Absolutely.
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Post by: Onno on November 17, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
I'm done reading the book, and I loved it! A few things that caught my eye:

- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"


I'll have to check that. Can't believe I've done that!  :facepalm:
Haha, no problem, I really liked the book  :tup
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Post by: Sycsa on November 18, 2013, 05:41:58 AM
Today I had the feeling that I just couldn't wait to get home to be able to read the book. Thanks, Rich!  :tup
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Post by: Vipmetal on November 18, 2013, 06:06:21 AM
I have been waiting for the book to arrive for some time now, I hope it will be soon here... Been enjoying the Luna Park bluray for the time being...

And this was my first post on the forum, just found it. I have been a fan of DT since Awake.

E: And what mailman had brought!! Now I know what I'll be doing at work next nightshift... 😎👍
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Post by: Onno on November 18, 2013, 03:10:36 PM
Welcome!
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Post by: Sycsa on November 21, 2013, 03:11:57 AM
- David Prater comes across as a complete fucktard. Wow.

I was quite fascinated by his character to say the least.  :lol Anyway, I couldn't resist to dig after him a little bit and found what appears to be his YouTube page (https://www.youtube.com/user/elrondingo/feed?activity_view=7). Surprisingly, it's as if he still hasn't let go of the past, mentioning DT twice in his short activity feed:

Quote
My name is David Prater. I produced Dream Theater's "Images and Words" and "Change of Seasons" This is what they have sorely lacked since those fateful endeavors:

Imagination and Vision

Well done lads.This is a one up on Porcupine Tree I'm afraid.. They are also my current favorite group. Or now ...maybe not...

In another video, someone suggests that he turned out to be an asshole while producing I&W, which he categorically refutes, "No, not at all".
The guy is hysterical and we have a 9 page thread dedicated to him here. Should be a fun read. :corn  (EDIT - It was trippier than expected, with Prater turning up, defending himself while pretending to be a third party.  :lolpalm:)

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Post by: Prog Snob on November 21, 2013, 05:47:16 AM
So I finally decided on the voice I'm using when I read David Prater's lines.   If anyone remembers the movie Beverly Hill's Cop with Eddie Murphy, this should be familiar.  It's the scene where the captain has the two cops assigned to watch Axel Foley. One of the cops says, "I'm not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe" and Axel mocks the way he says it. THAT guy's voice is David Prater. 
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Post by: VincentMDO on November 25, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
Finally received mine after one month since shipping! I hate brazilian mail!
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Post by: Vipmetal on November 25, 2013, 04:18:29 PM
Just finished reading the book! It's a great book and gives lots of insight into a DT's music and past... Now I'm really looking forward to get the DT12 tab book and seeing the band again live in February.
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Post by: ? on November 26, 2013, 12:58:58 AM
I finished reading as well. Excellent book, worth all the wait! :tup
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Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 26, 2013, 01:45:06 PM
The one thing that really surprised me in the Images and Words chapter is that MP said that they consider "Take The Time" to be their Bohemian Rhapsody. I'd guess that was Metropolis, or A Change of Seasons. I never considered Take The Time to be the quintessential DT song, and definitely not their most epic and diverse song. Which is something that BR is to Queen.
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Post by: Nick on December 08, 2013, 04:42:27 PM
Considering I have the original and first update of this book I remember passing on this, but I just got an email that my order had shipped... That's how screwy this was, so delayed I forgot ordering it.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on December 09, 2013, 06:25:21 AM
Considering I have the original and first update of this book I remember passing on this, but I just got an email that my order had shipped... That's how screwy this was, so delayed I forgot ordering it.


I received an email that my order had shipped. . . for the previous hardback version.  Apparently, Essential Works had a technical glitch that re-sent some old emails.  So, you may just have been getting another confirmation on your previous order.
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Post by: presleyfan1 on December 09, 2013, 06:54:16 PM
Got mine in the mail a week ago and finished it Saturday. Started reading it over again today ::)
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Post by: Nick on December 12, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
Considering I have the original and first update of this book I remember passing on this, but I just got an email that my order had shipped... That's how screwy this was, so delayed I forgot ordering it.


I received an email that my order had shipped. . . for the previous hardback version.  Apparently, Essential Works had a technical glitch that re-sent some old emails.  So, you may just have been getting another confirmation on your previous order.

:lol Okay, that makes more sense!
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Post by: XB0BX on December 16, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
Got my copy a few weeks ago and am LOVING it, just like I knew I would. This will instantly be my favorite book ever, and I hope to read it 20+ times in a row. Even hardcore DT fans don't know all the info in this book. Such an in-depth.... "inside" look at the band. Thank you  so much, to whoever wrote it. $20 isn't enough for how much enjoyment I'll get from this book.
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Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 16, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
By the way... Regarding the parts where JR talks about how some of his ideas were turned down during the making of SDOIT, and when he talks about how because ToT was a very Metal oriented album, his role and influence were diminished... Was I the only one who read his tone as a little resentful there?
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Post by: jcmistat on December 24, 2013, 02:18:11 AM
Ordered my copy a few day ago and its already here! Can't wait to dig into the good stuff.
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Post by: ronnibran on December 28, 2013, 01:57:21 PM
Anyone know how long to expect shipping to the USA to be?  I feel like I've been waiting forever.  If I go to the e-mail and to the site to track the order, it says it was dispatched the day after I ordered it (back in November).  Not sure if when it does arrive it will say it's been delivered?  Just wondering how long to wait before I need to think there's been some delivery problem.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on December 29, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
I would have thought you should have received it by now.

You're best bet is to contact the publishers via https://rocket88books.com/contacts/ (https://rocket88books.com/contacts/)

They will be able to help you, though they might not be back at their desks until 2nd January.

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Post by: ronnibran on January 02, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
Rich,

Thanks for the quick response, you rock!  They told me it must have been lost in the mail and are sending me out a new copy.

Thanks again,

Tom
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on January 03, 2014, 09:34:36 AM
No worries Tom - I'm glad they sorted it for you!
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Post by: CharlesPL on January 03, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
Hi Rich :)

Supposedly to be to released Polish version in this year,is that true?

Sorry for my language.

Regard,Charles PL-Co Founder,Moderator & Redactor(Polish DT Fan Club-Metropolis PL)
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Rich Wilson on January 05, 2014, 02:47:46 PM
Hi Charles,

Yes, there is a Polish version coming very soon. It's currently being translated and I believe the Polish publishers are hoping to release the book in February!

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Post by: rickhawk80 on January 10, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Just ordered my copy online this evening!!  Can't wait for it to arrive!!   :metal



EDIT:  And it has arrived already just 6 days later.  Awesome!!!! :tup
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Post by: ori.elias5 on January 23, 2014, 06:43:46 AM
The only thing that conerned me was they praised so much SC, BCSL and ADTOE consider it to be their best albums when they really the 3 weaker performences even they are great but forsure not as good as they described.
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Post by: kiwiclapton on February 07, 2014, 06:40:44 PM


Really excited about reading this book, I've ordered it and its on the way to New Zealand.

When I've read other bio books I was super keen to listen to the music again because the book gave another perspective to the music.

Its pretty clear this book will be doing that too.
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Post by: rickhawk80 on February 07, 2014, 08:47:44 PM


Really excited about reading this book, I've ordered it and its on the way to New Zealand.

When I've read other bio books I was super keen to listen to the music again because the book gave another perspective to the music.

Its pretty clear this book will be doing that too.

Yeah, I totally geeked out and listened to each album chronologically to coincide with each section of the book as I was reading that section.   :lol
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Post by: kiwiclapton on February 11, 2014, 01:05:14 AM
Just got an email, my book is at the ups depot in Philadelphia , waiting for a plane to bring it to  Aotearoa/ New Zealand, chur.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 11, 2014, 06:25:44 AM
I just got an email saying mine should be here between tomorrow and the 17th.
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Post by: kiwiclapton on February 11, 2014, 12:15:07 PM
Track and trace says it's now in Lancaster, it's still on the states.
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Post by: kiwiclapton on February 14, 2014, 03:42:40 AM
Its being "Processed through USPS Sort Facility   
CHICAGO, IL 60666 "
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Post by: cramx3 on February 14, 2014, 06:59:55 AM
I received mine on Wednesday. Will probably start reading it in a few weeks when I start traveling for my new job.
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Post by: kiwiclapton on February 18, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Getting closer, tracked it and it's in New Zealand
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: kiwiclapton on February 19, 2014, 04:11:22 PM
It's in my hands, so excited ,
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: Dreamer on March 13, 2014, 02:32:41 AM
Just finished reading it, what a compelling read - a must have for anyone here surely!
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: andri_ab on May 08, 2023, 07:14:04 PM
I wonder, is there any chance for the newest update of Lifting Shadows.  More then 10 years since the last update, I believe.. cmiiw.. lot of new stories

-andri-
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: ReaperKK on May 08, 2023, 07:51:34 PM
I thought I read somewhere years back that Rich wasn't going to be doing an update. It'd be nice for sure though.
Title: Re: Lifting Shadows Now Available To Order In Paperback
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2023, 11:33:26 AM
I received mine on Wednesday. Will probably start reading it in a few weeks when I start traveling for my new job.

 :lol I accidentally left my book on a flight shortly after this.  I was so mad at myself.  I never had the chance to get another book and likely won't come back to this now unless there was an updated version.  OH well, my fault sadly.