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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Rich Wilson on June 26, 2013, 09:31:32 AM
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The new release of Lifting Shadows, The Authorized Biography Of Dream Theater, is now available to order!
Full details on the release - and details of the Pre-order discount - are now available over at
https://www.liftingshadows.com (https://www.liftingshadows.com)
Publication will be in September but pre-ordered books will ship as soon as they are available.
This paperback edition is fully updated by Rich Wilson featuring new interviews with the band & others. It covers the departure of Mike Portnoy, the search for his successor and the band's spirited return.
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It says "Out of Stock" for delivery to USA :(
EDIT: Huh, that was weird. First it prevented the "Continue" button from working, but now it is going through. Crisis averted! :D
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It says "Out of Stock" for delivery to USA :(
I ordered mine before Rich posted here... no probs (USA).
Prior to today the 2nd edition webpage was out of stock.
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Boom! Preordered!
Thanks Rich. That's a pretty good price!
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That was always my plan - to keep the price as low as we could without compromising on the quality. This hopefully gives everyone the chance to read it who wanted to, but who might have been priced out by the higher prices of earlier editions.
If people could spread the word on Facebook or on any other prog sites, that would be hugely helpful too!!
Thanks
Rich
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I jumped on it, but it says it's out of stock for rest of EU, but still allows me to continue. Help?
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I assumed that's because technically it is out of stock right now. :lol
Preorder done! I'll make a post on Tumblr too.
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would be a great gift for somebody! :coolio
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I assumed that's because technically it is out of stock right now. :lol
Preorder done! I'll make a post on Tumblr too.
Makes sense, still got my paranoia senses tingling. Eh, not enough to make me not want to preorder, so like the guys in Sopranos always say: "It's done." :)
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Nice! Preordered it. I've never read any edition of Lifting Shadows before, so I'm really excited.
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Could someone please tell what the payment options are? I don't feel like entering all my information just to find out that I can't pay for the book.
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Sweet! How long is the pre-order discount thing going to be going on...anyone know? Waiting until I get paid on Friday but then I am all over this bad boy! :metal
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We don't get charged til it ships right?
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I wish I could just get the "new" content. I bought the original, and v2 released after BCSL. Not sure I really want/need an entire new edition yet again, for only that tail end of content.
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Could someone please tell what the payment options are? I don't feel like entering all my information just to find out that I can't pay for the book.
PayPal, MasterCard, VISA, and a couple other ones I can't remember.
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Just pre-ordered it as I've never had a chance to get this before. Really looking forward to it, and the price is really reasonable. :tup
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Could someone please tell what the payment options are? I don't feel like entering all my information just to find out that I can't pay for the book.
PayPal, MasterCard, VISA, and a couple other ones I can't remember.
Ok, thanks!
I guess I need to make a PayPal account at some point... I'll move in August/September, so I won't order this until I can be sure the book will arrive at my future address.
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Great price on the book! I just wish Canada got the same shipping price as the US. But either way, bit the bullet, cause it'll be totally worth it!
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Pre-ordered! :tup
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Same thing that happened to me with 2nd Edition - preorder unavailable. What do they do, print 12 each time? I've been dying to read this for years, can't afford the used copies floating around. Is there any chance there will be more available at some point? FFS.
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I wish I could just get the "new" content. I bought the original, and v2 released after BCSL. Not sure I really want/need an entire new edition yet again, for only that tail end of content.
Same, but thankfully I'm kinda over the point of fandom where I need *everything* that gets released DT-related...
The price is pretty good, though, so I dunno. Maybe I'll gift my previous addition to another fan, and check this one out.
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Pre-ordered! :tup
Me too. I'm actually really excited about this. So excited that I had to declare my pre-order in two threads :facepalm:
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I haven't read it yet so I pre-ordered the crap out of this baby. I actually don't even know what I paid for it. :yarr
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Just pre-ordered it as I've never had a chance to get this before. Really looking forward to it, and the price is really reasonable. :tup
This :D
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Good deal, will have to spread this across my social network. My birthday is in Sept. so maybe someone will take the hint and order me a copy. :biggrin:
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Ordered! So here's my question, The first thing it says on Wikipedia is that Lifting Shadows is a set of two books Images and Words. I gather that what I just purchased was a paperback of Words. So how does one get his hands on Images, and is this worth it?
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Will there be a hardcover or a special edition?
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Says out of stock for me... Weird :-\
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Ordered! So here's my question, The first thing it says on Wikipedia is that Lifting Shadows is a set of two books Images and Words. I gather that what I just purchased was a paperback of Words. So how does one get his hands on Images, and is this worth it?
First edition was a 2 book set (Images & Words)
Second edition was a single book, as is third edition.
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oh ok thanks. Any interesting pics in there? It's like I'm paranoid that I could possibly be missing out on some Myung tackles LaBrie story because I don't have the book haha
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I gots mines! :caffeine: Now get the fuck here, September.
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Really appropriate new chapter titles for the 2 new chapters! DT always has fitting song titles.
MP's departure: The Shattered Fortress
ADTOE: New Realities.
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Will the New Realities chapter finally reveal why Mangini's body was not well before he received the call?
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So are we getting a new version after each new album or devellopement now? Just askin'.
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Will the New Realities chapter finally reveal why Mangini's body was not well before he received the call?
Practical Joke by JLB: home delivered Cuban shrimps.
Anyway, I got mine! If I read correctly, the pre-orders will be shipped before the official release date, as soon as they become available?
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We don't get charged til it ships right?
I don't think that's how preordering works.
Says out of stock for me... Weird :-\
I guess because it's technically it's not in stock yet. You can still order it without a hitch.
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We don't get charged til it ships right?
I don't think that's how preordering works.
That's how preorders on Amazon and other big retailers usually work: they don't process the payment until the order ships (at least for credit card orders). But, smaller businesses usually charge you up front.
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If that's the case with Rich, I hope he keeps the discount up for a little while. I have the second edition, but would really like to get this one too. I just can't afford it right now. I did just get paid, but rent is coming up and I've already spent enough money lately.
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Will the New Realities chapter finally reveal why Mangini's body was not well before he received the call?
Practical Joke by JLB: home delivered Cuban shrimps.
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Someone knows fi will be selling also on other sites (amazon,...)? it cost me 6.5 pound to ship to Italy and the book is 8.99 puonds :-\
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We don't get charged til it ships right?
I don't think that's how preordering works.
Whuh? It is on most online stores!
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I ordered it about 15 hours ago and they already charged it to my card so that should answer any questions pertaining to how they're handling the billing in America.
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drat
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SO DAMN CHEAP!!! Will pre-order soon! :metal
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Awesome, I'll be ordering one. Also wtb kindle edition.
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Rich, I'm a little confused by the wording. I've already placed my order, but I noticed it says preorders will be shipped as soon as they are in the warehouse, but the book will be officially published in September. Does that mean there is a chance that preorders might receive their books earlier than the official release date?
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Yes. The official release date is September, but if they get to the warehouses sooner than that, they'll send them out before! It would only be a week or so at the most though.
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Rich, duplication from MP.com, but did you interview MP for the additional writing?
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Yes. The official release date is September, but if they get to the warehouses sooner than that, they'll send them out before! It would only be a week or so at the most though.
Cool! Really looking forward to this edition. Thanks!
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Thanks Rich, this is great! I've just placed my pre-order.
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Pre-ordered! September is going to be a great DT month.
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Pre-ordered and payed via PayPal. This will be a nice and unexpected present when it finally arrives :)
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Moving soon, so Im thinking I will preorder after the move so I use my new address.
I kind of forgot about the book since when it was released I wasnt as big of a fan as I am now, plus I didnt read much back then. Now I read so much and this book is in paperback so I definitely want it. Price seems fair too. And new chapters!
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Cool. I just ordered :metal
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Order'd it to my parents' place in Germany because the form still won't recognize Croatia as an EU member and I'm not giving an extra 5 pounds to eurosceptic Britons :loser: :biggrin:
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:tup Done,and done! Thanks for the info!
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That discount is still available people over at www.liftingshadows.com (https://www.liftingshadows.com)
:yarr
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Nice! Gonne pre-order when I get home.
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Wiii order done. :yarr
excited
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ANNNNNNDDDD it's pre-ordered
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When is actually the release date? Any news when the pre-orders will be delivered? :caffeine:
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The release date is in September. At the moment, I don't have a firm date from the publishers but as soon as I know, I'll post it here!
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Seems they were short of interviewees. Ahem . . .!
https://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Dream-Theater-Author-Rich-Wilson.aspx (https://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Dream-Theater-Author-Rich-Wilson.aspx)
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Great interview :tup
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Yeah, a nice interview indeed. I'm really looking forward to reading the updated biography.
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Yeah, a nice interview indeed. I'm really looking forward to reading the updated biography.
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Yeah, a nice interview indeed. I'm really looking forward to reading the updated biography.
This. Very nice little interview and I can't wait to read the updated book! I have yet to acquire any previous editions so this upcoming paperback release will be my first opportunity to read it, and I am very excited!!
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So here we are in september. This means either someone involved in the decision-making process for this book's release date has decided it isn't worth troubling themselves to make a brief announcement to let us fans know when the actual release will be despite it being just a few weeks away or there's gonna be a delay and they didn't bother mentioning it.
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So here we are in september. This means either someone involved in the decision-making process for this book's release date has decided it isn't worth troubling themselves to make a brief announcement to let us fans know when the actual release will be despite it being just a few weeks away or there's gonna be a delay and they didn't bother mentioning it.
Holy shit ! That was a long sentence ;D But, more seriously, It would be cool to get and exact release date! I'm pretty hyped, cos I haven't read the book yet!
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I finally pre-ordered the book, can't wait to get it! :caffeine:
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The books are currently being printed and I'll update you with a precise date once I know it!
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How long will they be around to order? I don't want to get it right now, but soon I plan on getting it
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The books are currently being printed and I'll update you with a precise date once I know it!
I pre ordered about a month ago from an add I saw on Facebook on the right of my page.(Big Brother)
I have wanted to read this book for some time now and I am thrilled its back in print!
Looking forward to getting my copy.
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Hey Rich, still really looking forward to this, even though I have basically every edition already! I was curious if you think these will be in our hands before the US release date of the new album. No problem if not, as I understand that these things take time, but I certainly am excited :)
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I keep looking outside my door and checking my mailbox constantly even though I know it's not gonna be there yet....
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It'd just be nice if the publisher would be up front with us. It's pretty shitty form to accept advance payment for something on the understanding it'll be released by a certain point in time yet still not even announce the release date when it's less than 3 weeks away at most. And if there is gonna be a delay causing it to not come out in September, they should refund all the advance order customers a few bucks for false advertising.
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It'd just be nice if the publisher would be up front with us. It's pretty shitty form to accept advance payment for something on the understanding it'll be released by a certain point in time yet still not even announce the release date when it's less than 3 weeks away at most. And if there is gonna be a delay causing it to not come out in September, they should refund all the advance order customers a few bucks for false advertising.
I sort of agree with this :( A regular preorder would have been fine, but they actually took our money already.
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I don't have a firm release date to confirm, but I understand that it will be around the 25th September.
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Thanks for the update Rich :D
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Holy cow guys.. The freakin writer of the book is writing directly to you on a fan forum and answering questions, and you complain that he's not being up front with us?
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Writer=/=publisher. Calm the f down. I never once accused Rich or implied any fault upon him. I appreciate what he's done but obviously he isn't the guy handling the finances and release date end of it. Or more specifically, if he does have any input on the release date, I doubt he has the power to just say "Hey y'all, release the damn book now!"
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ok yes silly mistake on my part for that specific, but all I'm saying is I don't see how anyone can complain about the amount of info we get on this. Maybe I just don't know enough about how this usually works, but that's what I'm thinking.
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Well when you've had your money spent on something for 3 months, it's a bit annoying for the company to do nothing to keep us abreast of something as important as the release date. It's commendable on Rich's part that he's given us the updates he has but the publisher has come off as kind of a fly-by-night with the combination of their willingness to take preorders despite the fact that they apparently couldn't deliver a concrete release date until the eleventh hour at the earliest.
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Rich - Good!
Publisher - Bad!
Seriously though, I can't wait to read this book, and I'm not that worried. Thanks for the updates Rich!
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Patiently waiting for mine. :)
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In fairness, from the very start, the publishers said that the book was going to be released in September. I do understand your frustrations though, so apologies for that. They certainly aren't "fly by night" though, as anyone who bought the previous editions - also produced by the same people" will testify. I will feed it back to them though, as clearly they don't want unhappy customers. I hope you enjoy when it finally arrives and that it is worth the wait!
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Man I can't wait to read this book. Hopefully I'll ave it by the end of the month. :)
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Any news regarding shipping still on this month?
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The next update will probably come from your mailbox.
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Yeah, I'm starting to get a little impatient (not for the book, but for news regarding the release date). I don't care if it will be late October when we get the book (although many will care, I'm sure), but I just want a release date since they already have my money.
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I just pre-ordered mine this past weekend. ;D
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5 days left in September. Starting to worry that I'm being taken for a ride here... :tdwn
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Sep 25, is anything still happening with this today? Can't wait!
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Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.
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I've purchased from them before, so there is nothing to worry about. When it's time, it's time.
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I've purchased from them before, so there is nothing to worry about. When it's time, it's time.
+1
Purchased both previous releases and have gotten but great service. No complaints here.
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Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.
People aren't freaking out. They're curious about what's going on since many of us gave Rocket 88 our money in good faith on the assumed condition that we'd have the book in September. We also were led to believe we had a shot at getting it a little early as a perk for preordering. As it stands now, the company has 2 business days (I'm even counting Saturday as a business day) to make good on what they initially told us and have yet to update. In general, it's good business practice to announce release dates in a timely manner and to definitely announce delays if/when they occur. When you throw in the fact that they've already had our full payment for several months, it's a laughably shitty excuse for proper customer relations.
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Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.
People aren't freaking out. They're curious about what's going on since many of us gave Rocket 88 our money in good faith on the assumed condition that we'd have the book in September. We also were led to believe we had a shot at getting it a little early as a perk for preordering. As it stands now, the company has 2 business days (I'm even counting Saturday as a business day) to make good on what they initially told us and have yet to update. In general, it's good business practice to announce release dates in a timely manner and to definitely announce delays if/when they occur. When you throw in the fact that they've already had our full payment for several months, it's a laughably shitty excuse for proper customer relations.
I agree. They must have known for some time that the book won't be released in september, and it's not that hard for them to send out an e-mail with some information about what's going on. I don't have a problem waiting. Delays can occur without it being anyones fault, but the lack of information bugs me. Poor customer service, and if they are not the exclusive seller of something i want to buy in the future, I will probably not purchase anything from them. Too bad for them.
Has anyone contacted the publishing company and asked them what's going on?
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Why are people freaking out? Its still September. I'm sure the book will come soon. If it was the end of October I could better understand the frustration.
People aren't freaking out. They're curious about what's going on since many of us gave Rocket 88 our money in good faith on the assumed condition that we'd have the book in September. We also were led to believe we had a shot at getting it a little early as a perk for preordering. As it stands now, the company has 2 business days (I'm even counting Saturday as a business day) to make good on what they initially told us and have yet to update. In general, it's good business practice to announce release dates in a timely manner and to definitely announce delays if/when they occur. When you throw in the fact that they've already had our full payment for several months, it's a laughably shitty excuse for proper customer relations.
I see your point. Lets see what happens come October 1st. I am waiting as every one is and I want my copy soon.
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Barring a delivery in the next few hours, I can personally confirm Rocket 88 missing the September deadline for at least one buyer :tdwn
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Yeah it's a shame... I was looking forward to having a copy around this time :(
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I just don't see why they need a gun to their head to actually make a public statement regarding the ACTUAL release date instead of hiding like charlatans.
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If it's not here by tomorrow, I'm either looking for some kind of update from them or my money back. I understand being late on delivery. Not communicating about it is bad PR and inexcusable in the age of e-mail and twitter.
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Pony Express was out of order this week?
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So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.
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At this point in time, I'd actually prefer to just get a complete refund without losing one penny of my initial investment (restock fees, etc.) since I actually care more about not giving my money to these people than I do about the book considering the way they do business.
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With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from. I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form. So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.
I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition". I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
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With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from. I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form. So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.
I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition". I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
"100+"??? This book sold for over 100 bucks? I'm confused.
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With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from. I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form. So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.
I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition". I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
"100+"??? This book sold for over 100 bucks? I'm confused.
He is referring to the original box set edition, which had two individual books. One was the biography, "Words," while the other was a large collection of photos, aptly titled "Images." It also came with a CD featuring some rarities. I'm not sure of the initial price, but to find that version now can easily cost over $100.
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Sucks... Thought we would all have the book at our doorsteps by Sept 30th...
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With the first editions I was very hesitant about buying the book because:
1 - The price. $100 +
2- The lack of options to buy it from. I get pretty much all my books from amazon and lately 99% of them are in an electronic form. So I always wondered why there wasn't a "more accesible" format for such an important book from a band with such a huge and dedicated fan base.
I finally dived in with the paper back version, rushed my payment considering that it was another "limited edition". I was happy about my purchase and I eagerly awaited..now I just started having second thoughts about it, I have a bad feeling...
"100+"??? This book sold for over 100 bucks? I'm confused.
He is referring to the original box set edition, which had two individual books. One was the biography, "Words," while the other was a large collection of photos, aptly titled "Images." It also came with a CD featuring some rarities. I'm not sure of the initial price, but to find that version now can easily cost over $100.
Yeah, that first edition was a hardback version too. It came around 2008 and if I remember correctly with shipping included to the US price was about $105-$110 :omg:
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So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.
Wait the book is out in stores? Really? I'm fine waiting but if it's out in stores then I'd rather just get my money back and pick it up from the local B&N
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So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.
Wait the book is out in stores? Really? I'm fine waiting but if it's out in stores then I'd rather just get my money back and pick it up from the local B&N
I think he is being sarcastic since they said the book would be out in September. At least that's what I think he means.
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So apparently this book is now out in stores? I try and be calm and understanding that shit happens....but an update would seem to be in order at this time? Welcome to October.
Wait the book is out in stores? Really? I'm fine waiting but if it's out in stores then I'd rather just get my money back and pick it up from the local B&N
I think he is being sarcastic since they said the book would be out in September. At least that's what I think he means.
I'm not being sarcastic, I read on the Lifting Shadows Facebook page, "In stores now!" on the cover for the page. That's where I got that from.
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It changed from what it said yesterday! Now it says pre order now! :omg:
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Good lord is this company a complete mess :\
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I just emailed demanding my money back or some confirmation of shipping. What a cluster-fuck.
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Luckily, I'm 16 and don't need to pay for my own food yet, so the only reason I'm anxious is because I'm looking forward to the book.. :P But yea, honestly now would be the time to start to complain. :-\
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Luckily, I'm 16 and don't need to pay for my own food yet, so the only reason I'm anxious is because I'm looking forward to the book.. :P But yea, honestly now would be the time to start to complain. :-\
Luckily, I'm 41 and don't need to worry about a couple of dollars, so the only reason I'm anxious is because I'm looking forward to the book. But, if I felt compelled to complain, I'd probably start on the site that's selling the book instead on a non-affiliated forum.
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good point :lol I suppose that comment sounds pretty funny to you people with real jobs
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No book yet? :-[
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In fairness, from the very start, the publishers said that the book was going to be released in September.
They lied.
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In fairness, from the very start, the publishers said that the book was going to be released in September.
They lied.
We've also been told that we would get LALP at May. Just sayin' (I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SAME CASE, BUT I'M A COMPLAINER).
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I haven't PAID for LALP. The problem here isn't the release being delayed. It's that they took our money, overshot the release, and still haven't communicated with us as to why.
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Smeagol lied
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Almost same here.. It didn't cost that much... But I'm getting so fucking tired with stuff like this. It's like only thing that goes as promised is them taking the payment.
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I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.
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I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.
:tup
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I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.
"propably" :yeahright
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I'm suddenly reminded of The Money Pit.. two weeks, two weeks.
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.
So are u saying that u that moneywise u don't care if you bought the item and would never get it ?
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.
So are u saying that u that moneywise u don't care if you bought the item and would never get it ?
No. I'm just saying I can loose 10 bucks and it wouldn't be the end of the world. If I have 200 bucks floating out there I would be a bit panicked and a lot more angry. I'm just saying I can blow 10 bucks on a deli sandwich and drink almost any day of the week. I don't want anyone to think I have money to throw away. I don't. Its just easier to absorb a 10 dollar loss than a large amount. That's all I'm saying.
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
Exactly. Losing 10 bucks? Big deal. I want the book that I ordered and if its coming late simply say so and I'll be fine with that. No communication is what bothers me.
So are u saying that u that moneywise u don't care if you bought the item and would never get it ?
No. I'm just saying I can loose 10 bucks and it wouldn't be the end of the world. If I have 200 bucks floating out there I would be a bit panicked and a lot more angry. I'm just saying I can blow 10 bucks on a deli sandwich and drink almost any day of the week. I don't want anyone to think I have money to throw away. I don't. Its just easier to absorb a 10 dollar loss than a large amount. That's all I'm saying.
Oh, damn! I was already going to PM u my PayPal info ;D
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
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Does anyone know a direct email address for who ever I may need to contact for a refund? I'm just plain fed up with the shitty way in which this has been handled and don't care about the book at all anymore.
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I contacted Rocket 88 and they told me the book will be probably out next week.
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Thanks man, but that statement is rubbish to me given how they've handled things to this point. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it happens but I don't feel good about it.
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That is purely my point. "Probably" is not reliable.
"I should probably be doing something else besides posting on DTF right now." Yet here I sit. ;)
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"I should probably be doing something else besides posting on DTF right now." Yet here I sit. ;)
I say that every morning here...
wait this isn't the chat thread...
seriously glad I didn't preorder this though :/
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I've contacted them twice to no avail and complained on their FB page. Their website and FB page are currently ejaculating endless Dinosaur Jr. info, which is a bad sign to begin with, because yeah I'll say, Dinosaur Jr. sucks oxen testicles. Enough is enough. I just want some acknowledgment that they've taken my money and didn't ship on time, at the very least. They should be refunding a percentage of the cost at this point, but I've got the feeling they're sitting around smoking week and listening to Dinosaur Fucking Jr. What a shitty way to do business. Pissed. :censored
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
IMO comments like these are the main reason why companies don't even care to follow the deadlines.
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So, if Rocket 88 continues their ongoing fly-by-night bullshit, what is our best way to pursue legal action? (since WildeSilas said they won't even correspond with him about a refund) I have zero trust in them as of now.
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Contact the Better Business Bureau? Email them and threaten them with legal activity if they don't refund your money for something they never sent you?
Bottom line: this is piss poor business practice, and there is simply no excuse for treating your customers this poorly.
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Does the BBB even handle anything in Europe or is there a similar thing in that part of the world?
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seriously glad I didn't preorder this though :/
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Finally got a response (after three messages, complaining on thier FB page and finally getting nasty about it) this morning. Books were late coming from the distributor but should ship in the next 48 hours. It's ridiculous that I had to ask for a refund, call them assholes, and accuse them of ripling me off just to get info about the delay. They need to be reported to the BBB regardless at this point.
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Does the BBB even handle anything in Europe or is there a similar thing in that part of the world?
The BBB is a fucking farce to begin with. The more you pay them the better your rating. They are a worthless pile of crap!
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True. But when you're trying to sell a book about a specific band and you manage to piss of the entire potential customer base by appearing to have ripped them off....Not sure they care one way or the other to begin with. I feel bad for Rich in all of this, hope it doesn't affect him negatively.
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I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore. The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time. You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well. Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.
I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
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True. But when you're trying to sell a book about a specific band and you manage to piss of the entire potential customer base by appearing to have ripped them off....Not sure they care one way or the other to begin with. I feel bad for Rich in all of this, hope it doesn't affect him negatively.
You can feel bad, but don't feel too bad. I'm sure he is not clueless and as the author he is probably aware of the frustration yet I don't see him appearing to say anything about it. I feel bad that he probably can't control the situation, but if he dropped by to update us, I doubt anyone would be all that upset.
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I just got the email that they're preparing my shipment.
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore. The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time. You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well. Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.
I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
Personally, I don't care about getting stuff on release day. Going out to the store is a hassle for me, in general, plus I'd have to remember the release dates on stuff. I'd rather preorder it, and then not worry about it. It'll show up on my doorstep sometime around the release date and I'll be happy.
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I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
I'm not so much worried about the money, I just want to read the book :(
IMO comments like these are the main reason why companies don't even care to follow the deadlines.
Was there an actual deadline though?
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Not that I ever heard.
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I just got the email that they're preparing my shipment.
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore. The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time. You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well. Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.
I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
Personally, I don't care about getting stuff on release day. Going out to the store is a hassle for me, in general, plus I'd have to remember the release dates on stuff. I'd rather preorder it, and then not worry about it. It'll show up on my doorstep sometime around the release date and I'll be happy.
Just got the email too. I've learned to be patient about these things. I'm sure I'll love it an not even remember any of the delays.
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I just got the email that they're preparing my shipment.
I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore. The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time. You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well. Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.
I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
Personally, I don't care about getting stuff on release day. Going out to the store is a hassle for me, in general, plus I'd have to remember the release dates on stuff. I'd rather preorder it, and then not worry about it. It'll show up on my doorstep sometime around the release date and I'll be happy.
Just got the email too. I've learned to be patient about these things. I'm sure I'll love it an not even remember any of the delays.
NO! You will think about the delays before flipping each page!!!!! >:(
just kiddin! :tick2:
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I didn't get an email yet, but I will be patient for now.
ohmmmmmm
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I didn't get an email yet, but I will be patient for now.
ohmmmmmm
Same here.
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It's well and fine if the money is no big thing, but I'm on a single income and disability, my wife is on unpaid sick leave due to an injury, I have two kids and a mortgage payment. The money IS a big deal to me - I buy very few things for entertainment purposes because money is so tight right now. So I'm pretty adamant that I either get what I paid for or my money back. I can use it on other things - like food, gas, etc. Even then, I don't mind it being late, I mind the publisher missing the promised release period and not communicating that to me when I've already given them money.
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I got the email too today.
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I didn't. :(
EDIT: Oh wait. I just checked my email and there it was. :lol
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I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore. The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time. You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well. Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.
I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
Unless you're pre-ordering Call of Duty for a midnight release. :hat
My friends and I had a blast on Black Ops II day, and are looking forward to it again for Ghosts.
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I'm beginning to wonder why anyone ever preorders anything anymore. The best thing that can happen is you get the item on time. You can do that by going to a store and picking it up as well. Or just order once it's actually released, and you will have it in a few days.
I hear nothing but nightmare stories on every preorder of pretty much everything.
Unless you're pre-ordering Call of Duty for a midnight release. :hat
My friends and I had a blast on Black Ops II day, and are looking forward to it again for Ghosts.
Plebian Call of Duty player, join Battlefield master race. #notallowedtohaveyourownopinion #notallowedtolikeboth #botharegoodintheirownways #hashtagsarestupid
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I didn't get an email yet, but I will be patient for now.
ohmmmmmm
Same here.
Same here also
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I just got my email. It has shipped and I should receive it in a couple days.
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Just got my shipment confirmation and tracking number. Should receive the book in 2-3 days.
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I want an email :(
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I want an email :(
Same :blush
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I want an email :(
Same :blush
ohmmmmmm
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For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
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For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
It might be based on when the order was placed, not necessarily where.
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For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
USA. North Carolina, to be precise.
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For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
It might be based on when the order was placed, not necessarily where.
This. I ordered the book at the beginning of September and haven't received an email yet.
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For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
It might be based on when the order was placed, not necessarily where.
This. I ordered the book at the beginning of September and haven't received an email yet.
Sep 21st for me, so you should hopefully get one before me.
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I'm in California and I ordered June 26. No info yet, weird.
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For those who have gotten your delivery confirmation, where are you located? I'm in Sweden ("rest of the EU" delivery) and haven't heard a thing.
Italy, and I ordered back in June.
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UK - June - No email.
I don't even remember if the site itself said the book would be available in September, or if it was just Rich's estimate posted here. The confirmation email just says "This is a pre-order, the product will be dispatched as soon as it is available."
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I ordered July 1st and am located in New Jersey, US.
I just got the e-mail.
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Just got an email it's being processed! yay!
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I can definitely see a pattern. The Yankees are getting the emails and we Old-Worlders aren't. DAMN MMMURICA
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The Yankees...they're in...Chattanooga.
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Ordered Aug 16. No email yet.
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Ordered it the day the presale went up, whenever that was, and got the email when the first people in this thread said they did and the next day got shipping confirmation. I'm in Iowa.
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Someone else in Iowa!! :O
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Someone else in Iowa!! :O
Welcome to Iowa, Population 2
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Hey. I've been going to school in Iowa for 4 years now. There was to be at least 13 people here.
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Hey. I've been going to school in Iowa for 4 years now. There was to be at least 13 people here.
Wow. I have more people at my house for a holiday dinner. ;)
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Great thing that people have started to get their orders shipped!
I haven't yet received my email, but I'm sure it will come soon!
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southern Calfornia checking in, got my email this morning.
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Someone else in Iowa!! :O
Welcome to Iowa, Population 2
Having lived in Iowa, I consider myself half-Iowan, so make that 2.5! Wish I still lived there, since that might have improved my chances of getting the book faster! ;) I ordered it in August btw, so maybe they process the orders after when they were made. I just hope they don't run out of copies before they get to me :P
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I can definitely see a pattern. The Yankees are getting the emails and we Old-Worlders aren't. DAMN MMMURICA
YANKEES! :getoffmylawn:
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I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"
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My book has arrived in the UK.
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I live in Connecticut and I still have received nothing.
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I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"
They send that one first, then a "your order has shipped" message. My ship message came a day after the initial message.
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I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"
you aren't going to tell us where you live?? :P
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yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.
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yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.
Same. What's the warehouse? ??? It's not a term I'm familiar with with regards to shipping stuff.
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I got an email at about 6am. It wasn't confirmation that the book had shipped though - only that it had been "sent to our warehouse"
you aren't going to tell us where you live?? :P
Sorry, mentioned it a few posts earlier - I'm in the UK.
They send that one first, then a "your order has shipped" message. My ship message came a day after the initial message.
:tup I got a follow-up email a couple of hours ago saying mine has now shipped.
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yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.
Same. What's the warehouse? ??? It's not a term I'm familiar with with regards to shipping stuff.
I think it's the place where all the millions of books arrive so that they can get shipped. I guess it just means the physical books have been shipped from the place that printed them, and is now at the place that has our orders. I think. And the email came from "Rocket 88, Essential Works," so it would be their warehouse.
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yea mine hasn't shipped, it's just been sent to the warehouse and is being processed.
this
Edit: Never mind... just got the 2nd e-mail. Estimated arrival Oct 14-15th!
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I haven't received any email yet :sadpanda: On the other hand it doesn't matter that much, because I won't return to my apartment until the end of next week and I'll be busy with some school stuff and my song roulette anyway, so I won't have a lot of time for reading in a while.
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just got the 2nd e-mail. Estimated arrival Oct 14-15th!
Just got this too.
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Yay, my book arrived! I can't wait to sit down and read this later (even though the only thing new will be the last chapter, as I have both previous editions :lol).
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Same. I'll probably get it at the end of the month.
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I got mine today in CA.
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Mine showed up today in Utah. :smiley: This edition is half the size of the previous hard covers so I didn't think it was the book at first since the package was so small.
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Mine arrived in the mail yesterday.
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Mine arrived in the mail yesterday.
Me too. I was only able to read the first two pages. This will be a good read.
he he I did sneak to the last chapter and read a paragraph
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Damn, no email for me :(
Maybe I'll be lucky and it'll just show up today, I'd love to read it over the weekend.
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Mine arrived this morning :D
I've wanted to read this since I first heard about it, really looking forward to it :tup
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I finally got a response from this company after being nice didn't work. Mine is "in the Que and ready to ship"
Not happy with the way this went. Probably because of this thread. That old mob mentality effected me I guess.
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Just sent them and e-mail asking about the delay. 5 minutes later I got this response:
"Hello Nofire
Thanks for getting in touch. We have had a slight hold up in printing the books however they have arrived in our warehouse and books are now shipping.
We have many orders to get through but can see your order is currently queued to go to the warehouse and is due to be sent to you next week
You will recieve a shipping notification once it the book is sent, apologies for the delay but your book will be with you soon."
At least they haven't forgotten about me, and I must say that the response was quick as hell.
Edit: I placed my order on August 24th.
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Just sent them and e-mail asking about the delay. 5 minutes later I got this response:
"Hello Nofire
Thanks for getting in touch. We have had a slight hold up in printing the books however they have arrived in our warehouse and books are now shipping.
We have many orders to get through but can see your order is currently queued to go to the warehouse and is due to be sent to you next week
You will recieve a shipping notification once it the book is sent, apologies for the delay but your book will be with you soon."
At least they haven't forgotten about me, and I must say that the response was quick as hell.
Edit: I placed my order on August 24th.
Same email I got. Took me a couple inquiry's to get the response.
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I thought I'd chime in to let people that already have the previous edition know that there are only about 25 new pages covering Mike's departure and ADTOE.
To be fair, Rich didn't even have to update it, but he is nice enough to do so basically for free (since the publisher would have put out a new paperback edition anyways).
The book is great, but I just thought I'd warn those who bought it just for the new chapters. If you don't already have a previous edition (or if you have the first edition, since the Black Clouds chapter plus the two new ones make it worth an upgrade), absolutely buy this book.
You might be amazed what new things you will learn about the band.
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25 pages isn't too short a chapter is it? And we knew it was only one chapter added. Thanks for the info!
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25 pages isn't too short a chapter is it? And we knew it was only one chapter added. Thanks for the info!
No, it is a pretty decent length, and I'm happy with it, but I just don't want people to go into it with unrealistic expectations :)
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Ordered mine July 12th, live in Buffalo NY - no email...zip...nada...this is really pathetic service.
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I thought I'd chime in to let people that already have the previous edition know that there are only about 25 new pages covering Mike's departure and ADTOE.
Thanks for the spoiler.
Jerk
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Yea man that wasn't cool. Just at least don't give away who got the job as the new drummer or we'll all be pissed. :rollin :rollin
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Wow, you guys didn't know that Mike Mangini left yet? Crazy...
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wut
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wut
Yeah. It just happened like a week ago, I think? Why do you think the book was delayed? Rich had to handwrite a new chapter in every book.
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Here is the email I just received:
"It's late, we know. We apologise, its been frustrating, you've cursed us, but we are very pleased to say... Lifting Shadows is now shipping and your copy will be with you soon.
Many copies have already gone out and some have already landed on doorsteps around the world.
We have a lot of orders to get through, so if you have not already had notification that your book has shipped, you will receive an email in the next few days to let you know your book is on the way.
Meanwhile if you want to take a look at a few advance copies, check them out on our Facebook page.
Enjoy your book!"
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Got mine in the mail
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I got this email too, but it means they are sending all of them, not that especifically mine has been sent. Still waiting. :P
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I got the book today. :metal
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25 pages isn't too short a chapter is it? And we knew it was only one chapter added. Thanks for the info!
Those who have read both the first and second editions from cover to cover will have noticed that the back chapters have been expanded and updated with more detail. Perhaps the third edition includes even more info on earlier chapters?
Looking forward to my copy.
The 4th confirmation email I received (which mentions "cursing" the publisher) made me think that when the DTF fans speak, someone out there is listening.
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I've seen a few posts in here from people whom previously were very dissatisfied with how Rocket 88 handled this situation only to turn the other cheek and say that it's all good now that they've gotten their book in a way that unintentionally implies that it was okay for Rocket 88 to leave us in the dark as completely as they did. While I personally despise the practice of trying to meddle in others' standpoints on matters that aren't directly my business and agree that it generally is most productive to not let things get to you, I just get the feeling that businesses have zero motivation to improve their manner of handling their affairs if people openly post on the internet about how "it's all good now (etc.)" simply because it's a matter the consumer no longer has to be concerned with.
Seeing as how the publisher was definitely aware of the internet shit storm that was created by their refusal to be up front with us, they obviously knew that people were annoyed/pissed/whatever about how it was going down throughout the last month-plus yet they never bothered to address us in any way until they could just hush us up with confirmation emails. Basically, they couldn't handle the heat at times when they wouldn't have been able to provide us with an answer we wanted to hear and strung us along leaving us to wonder if we'd been ripped off.
I'm not saying to flame them or go talking shit about them all over the internet because sour grapes seldom yield progress but I also think that if they were aware of how pissed people were with them that they were probably either viewing this forum, FB, or some other internet outlet or had minions of theirs reporting back to them. If they were concerned about their reputation enough to vaguely address it in their "apologising" email then, chances are, they still were looking at their Lifting Shadows FB page, DTF, etc. after their recent email campaign in order to see how their PR was holding up in the aftermath of all of this. So now if/when they see this page of this thread, they see that most folks cave in and let bygones be bygones simply because they have a book in hand and Rocket 88 feels validated in the way they handled this because all it takes to reverse bad PR is a few emails and eventually delivering the goods despite being badly MIA.
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I never had an issue with the delay in the first place, and thus didn't complain about it.
Most dissatisfied customers are likely to become satiated when a company reacts to a complaint and tries to fix it. I found this to be a common reflex in my bygone years of customer service jobs. Its refreshing when a company has the sense to openly admit it goofed up.
I feel that Rocket 88 recognized its error in poor communication, and has addressed it to best of its abilitiy. If this means that folks wont be so trusting in preordering a 4th edition (should that day come), then that is the ultimate penalty of this mishap.
As a sideline observer, I never got the sense that anyone was "caving in." The issue is getting resolved, what more can they ask for?
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The Mob Rules!
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Here is the email I just received:
"It's late, we know. We apologise, its been frustrating, you've cursed us, but we are very pleased to say... Lifting Shadows is now shipping and your copy will be with you soon.
Many copies have already gone out and some have already landed on doorsteps around the world.
We have a lot of orders to get through, so if you have not already had notification that your book has shipped, you will receive an email in the next few days to let you know your book is on the way.
Meanwhile if you want to take a look at a few advance copies, check them out on our Facebook page.
Enjoy your book!"
I got the same email!
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I've seen a few posts in here from people whom previously were very dissatisfied with how Rocket 88 handled this situation only to turn the other cheek and say that it's all good now that they've gotten their book in a way that unintentionally implies that it was okay for Rocket 88 to leave us in the dark as completely as they did. While I personally despise the practice of trying to meddle in others' standpoints on matters that aren't directly my business and agree that it generally is most productive to not let things get to you, I just get the feeling that businesses have zero motivation to improve their manner of handling their affairs if people openly post on the internet about how "it's all good now (etc.)" simply because it's a matter the consumer no longer has to be concerned with.
Seeing as how the publisher was definitely aware of the internet shit storm that was created by their refusal to be up front with us, they obviously knew that people were annoyed/pissed/whatever about how it was going down throughout the last month-plus yet they never bothered to address us in any way until they could just hush us up with confirmation emails. Basically, they couldn't handle the heat at times when they wouldn't have been able to provide us with an answer we wanted to hear and strung us along leaving us to wonder if we'd been ripped off.
I'm not saying to flame them or go talking shit about them all over the internet because sour grapes seldom yield progress but I also think that if they were aware of how pissed people were with them that they were probably either viewing this forum, FB, or some other internet outlet or had minions of theirs reporting back to them. If they were concerned about their reputation enough to vaguely address it in their "apologising" email then, chances are, they still were looking at their Lifting Shadows FB page, DTF, etc. after their recent email campaign in order to see how their PR was holding up in the aftermath of all of this. So now if/when they see this page of this thread, they see that most folks cave in and let bygones be bygones simply because they have a book in hand and Rocket 88 feels validated in the way they handled this because all it takes to reverse bad PR is a few emails and eventually delivering the goods despite being badly MIA.
It's battered wife syndrome! He treats her like crap most of the time, but all it takes is one night of sending flowers and taking her out to dinner and she loves him unconditionally again. In this instance, Rocket 88 finally sending the book is akin to sending flowers and taking each fan out to dinner. :lol
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Here is the email I just received:
"It's late, we know. We apologise, its been frustrating, you've cursed us, but we are very pleased to say... Lifting Shadows is now shipping and your copy will be with you soon.
Many copies have already gone out and some have already landed on doorsteps around the world.
We have a lot of orders to get through, so if you have not already had notification that your book has shipped, you will receive an email in the next few days to let you know your book is on the way.
Meanwhile if you want to take a look at a few advance copies, check them out on our Facebook page.
Enjoy your book!"
I got the same email!
Same here, now if I would only get the book.
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Yay!! I got my book earlier today
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Hi all
I've just got back from over 2 weeks away to see all of this. I had zero mobile phone signal, no other phones or internet access where we were. I'll find out exactly what is going on tomorrow with the publishers and will update you as to where and when books were / are being shipped etc ...
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Got the book!
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Rich, your book is already changing my life on the 17th page. You rock! :metal
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Yeah! ^_^ Got my email!
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Let me know when someone in Europe gets it.
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Hi
Spoke to them today, and all the books are in the process of being sent out. Apologies for the delay - they always indicated a publication date of September, so the fact that it's now October is a fair criticism.
For the record, I don't think that they keep tabs on DTF or the LS Facebook page - that is my job and as I have been away for the best part of three weeks, they won't have been aware.
Anyway, sincere apologies from myself and I hope you enjoy reading the book once you receive it.
Rich
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Rich, I DEVOURED the book in 48 hours. SO good.
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Rich, I DEVOURED the book in 48 hours. SO good.
Informative, yet fibrous.
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About to pick one up. :)
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I hope my copy comes today!!! ^_________^ !!!
I would have the best weekend ever devouring it!
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I've been reading a few pages every night since I got the book. I finished the first chapter last night and it's a great read for sure!
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Finally!
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Had mine bought for me as a Christmas present and it arrived today. God, it's torturous not being able to open it.
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Ordered mine July 12th, live in Buffalo NY - no email...zip...nada...this is really pathetic service.
Got mine today.
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Digging the book so far. I think I need to improve the strength of my reading glasses!
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Still no e-mail nor book... :-\
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Still no e-mail nor book... :-\
I ordered mine fairly late, so I probably won't get mine or another week or so.
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I got the email that books will be shipping out shortly, not one saying mine has shipped. I was hoping to get it this weekend so I can read it while I'm in TN.
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Got the 1st email last Friday and received the book yesterday (wed )
I'm in South FL.
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Finally got mine yesterday,can't put it down.Only complaint is that I was expecting lots of great photos.Other than that I love it.Thanks,to Rich!
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Okay, I just got a letter from my post office that I can pick it up this Thursday. I'm in Eastern Europe. My DT12 tee also arrived recently, can't wait to have me a DT feast.
Edit: scratch that, it was a different package. So still no book. Imagine my disappointment.
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I'm from the Netherlands and got it today! Read the first 2 chapters sofar, very informing.
Funny thing is that I've never read a word from the original hardcover Images and Words version of the book, it's stands there unread in the cabinet.
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If anyone one is worried about not receiving a book / email etc, then best bet is to contact the publishers via the Lifting Shadows website:
https://rocket88books.com/contacts/ (https://rocket88books.com/contacts/)
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Got the book in this morning! I already read the first chapter and really enjoyed it! I'll read some moore tonight. :)
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You might think a book about a band like Dream Theater could be a bit boring due to lack of drama, but it’s the opposite. The dedication to the craft and determination to do it there way and still succeed is quite inspiring. I am enjoying the book so far. I’m about a third of the way through it.
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I'm almost finished with the book,as I can't put it down.Incredible!Two stories come to mind that were very interesting.First the coincidence with the "Live Scenes" cover art,and second the making of Octavarium with the octave reference.I also love the stories behind making all the albums.I will not spoil anything though for those who have not read it yet.I have found myself with a deeper appreciation,and respect for the guys,and a desire to buy up every official bootleg,official release cds,dvds,and vinyl that I can.
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I'm interested in reading the new chapter, but don't want to spend the money on buying the same book again. I'm looking forward to hearing reactions to that chapter.
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Just the first email. . . Still no book :( I wanna read it!
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Got the e-mail yesterday that my book was being sent to the warehouse, and today that it has been shipped and should arrive around the 30th-1st. Ordered it at the end of august.
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Got the e-mail yesterday that my book was being sent to the warehouse, and today that it has been shipped and should arrive around the 30th-1st. Ordered it at the end of august.
All of this, except I ordered at the beginning of September.
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Mine was scheduled to arrive 10 days ago. Unfortunately the heavy usage of written English brught be to mispell slightly the name of my hometown (from Sant'Elena to San't Elena). But it would be sickeningly stupid if whatever courier was put in charge of the delivery didn't find a match for the delivery even with that mistake. :/
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The ä and ö in the name of my street had been replaced with a and o in the latest email, but I know the mailman will find the right address :D
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Got the book, I'm really happy with it. The papers are of good quality and I really like the font size. Lots of content for 350 pages. As it was mentioned, there are no pictures inside, which I'm OK with. Happy even. One small complaint, the cover is a bit beat up with small dents and tears here and there. I guess it had a rough trip. I don't really care though, I'm thoroughly enjoying it. At least I won't feel compelled to read it wearing gloves and can take it with me on trips without worry.
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OK this has probably been covered somewhere on this thread, but is the paperback coming to Amazon? I have the last hardbound so would like to buy it locally.
Thanks. Also I would like to reiterate the desire for a kindle version.
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Finally got my email saying it's shipping out! Can't wait!!
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Finally got my email saying it's shipping out! Can't wait!!
Mine's heading to the warehouse finally. :metal
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I'm so pumped about getting this book. Hopefully I'll have it in my hands before this weekend so I can go boating, have a beer or two and read while lying out in the sun.
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Greetings,
We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items, and that this completes your order. Thanks for shopping with us, and we hope to see you again soon.
Your order was shipped via USPS Priority Mail + Delivery Confirmation, and is estimated to arrive October 30, 2013 - October 31, 2013.
FINALLY! :yarr
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Almost done reading it. Good read indeed!
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I'd like to point out that Scotty did a great job with this edition's cover art.
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I got the shipping email on the 9th day of this month and the estimated shipping date was October 14th - 16th. I still haven't seen the book, so I guess I should contact them to ask what to do. After reading the comments here I definitely would like to get it. :sadpanda:
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Just got my book in the mail today! Woooo, I don't want to read it all in a few days I'll have to pace myself.
Fisi, I would contact them personally. I had a tracking confirmation with mine.
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I got the shipping email on the 9th day of this month and the estimated shipping date was October 14th - 16th. I still haven't seen the book, so I guess I should contact them to ask what to do. After reading the comments here I definitely would like to get it. :sadpanda:
Yes, please just contact them via the link I posted above and I'm sure they will chase it up for you.
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Finished! :)
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I don't think anyone else had a deeper appreciation for the mailman on that particular day than me:
(https://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9599/p53y.jpg)
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Just got the book!
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Just finished reading the book. The book, for me, unfolded a lot like DT's career. It was off to a very gradual start, but then I just couldn't stop. Great read, even if a lot of it was information that I'd already collected in bits and pieces over time, getting so many other perspectives on it as well as learning new things, this is one of those things that reminds me just how much I love and cherish this band and their music.
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My E-mail said that it should arrive between 30.10. and 1.11. and it hasn't arrived yet :'(
How can it be so fucking hard to get to read this book. :P
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My E-mail said that it should arrive between 30.10. and 1.11. and it hasn't arrived yet :'(
Same here. I wonder if there's a problem with the Finnish mail...
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My E-mail said that it should arrive between 30.10. and 1.11. and it hasn't arrived yet :'(
Same here. I wonder if there's a problem with the Finnish mail...
Or Seinäjoki mail... :laugh:
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I ordered it to my address in Tampere :P
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I ordered it to my address in Tampere :P
:'( What...... Are u saying that u have left Seinäjoki? :'(
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Yeah, I've started studying at the uni in Tampere.
/off-topic
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Yeah, I've started studying at the uni in Tampere.
/off-topic
:'( How could this have happened??? :'( I just keep thinking if there was something I could have done to prevent this :'(
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I have the original version and the second hard cover version, yet both have somehow gone virtually unread. Regardless, everyone's enthusiasm with this version prompted me to get it just now...I figure if I got around to reading the other versions, once I got to the end I'd want the new chapter anyway, so what's another $20 or so? :yarr
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I bought the Luna Park DVD today and when I got home there was a book package waiting for me :D This will be a DT-filled weekend :metal
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I bought the Luna Park DVD today and when I got home there was a book package waiting for me :D This will be a DT-filled weekend :metal
:metal
I plan on watching Luna Park again this weekend.
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Yeah, I finally got the book!!! It's gonna be a great weekend!!! :3 I'm gonna devour it like a 10$ Hooker.
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Yeah, I finally got the book!!! It's gonna be a great weekend!!! :3 I'm gonna devour it like a 10$ Hooker.
:lol
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Over half way done with the book, does anyone else read quotes from the band members in their voices?
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Over half way done with the book, does anyone else read quotes from the band members in their voices?
I do that with everything...
Titty sprinkles
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Over half way done with the book, does anyone else read quotes from the band members in their voices?
Yup, for sure. Which makes it that much more difficult when I'm reading quotes from people I don't know.
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I hate it when I start reading a quote in some voice that I know totally doesn't fit the personality of what's being said, yet I have that voice stuck in my head so I can't stop reading with it. I don't know if that made any sense, but that's what happens to me sometimes :lol
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I hate it when I start reading a quote in some voice that I know totally doesn't fit the personality of what's being said, yet I have that voice stuck in my head so I can't stop reading with it. I don't know if that made any sense, but that's what happens to me sometimes :lol
I usually manage to change the voice. As soon as MP started talking about what a jerk David Prater was, I just kept hearing him with the most arrogantly annoying tone ever. He even comes off like that in his interviews... Or is that because of the voice in my head?
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My book arrived, but I need to come back home to get it, which will happen in a week. And yes, I will read the members' quotes in their tooone :lol
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I have an exam on Tuesday, so I haven't been able to read the book a lot, but I've managed to get through the first 100 pages and it's been very insightful. When MP said "I came through that class with flying colours" in the first chapter, I was thinking "nuggetz!" :D
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I'm done reading the book, and I loved it! A few things that caught my eye:
- David Prater comes across as a complete fucktard. Wow.
- MP was more involved in the songwriting than I thought
- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"
- I hadn't noticed Live at the Marquee also had triggered snare drums
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I'm done reading the book, and I loved it! A few things that caught my eye:
- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"
I'll have to check that. Can't believe I've done that! :facepalm:
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- MP was more involved in the songwriting than I thought
Funny, because MP was LESS involved in the songwriting than I thought.
- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"
Yeah, I noticed that too. :lol
But hey, aside from BCSL, I kind of agree with a lot of it.
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- David Prater comes across as a complete fucktard. Wow.
Absolutely.
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I'm done reading the book, and I loved it! A few things that caught my eye:
- Everytime a new release comes up in the book, Rich Wilson comments something like: "certainly among the best DT have ever done"
I'll have to check that. Can't believe I've done that! :facepalm:
Haha, no problem, I really liked the book :tup
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Today I had the feeling that I just couldn't wait to get home to be able to read the book. Thanks, Rich! :tup
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I have been waiting for the book to arrive for some time now, I hope it will be soon here... Been enjoying the Luna Park bluray for the time being...
And this was my first post on the forum, just found it. I have been a fan of DT since Awake.
E: And what mailman had brought!! Now I know what I'll be doing at work next nightshift... 😎👍
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Welcome!
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- David Prater comes across as a complete fucktard. Wow.
I was quite fascinated by his character to say the least. :lol Anyway, I couldn't resist to dig after him a little bit and found what appears to be his YouTube page (https://www.youtube.com/user/elrondingo/feed?activity_view=7). Surprisingly, it's as if he still hasn't let go of the past, mentioning DT twice in his short activity feed:
My name is David Prater. I produced Dream Theater's "Images and Words" and "Change of Seasons" This is what they have sorely lacked since those fateful endeavors:
Imagination and Vision
Well done lads.This is a one up on Porcupine Tree I'm afraid.. They are also my current favorite group. Or now ...maybe not...
In another video, someone suggests that he turned out to be an asshole while producing I&W, which he categorically refutes, "No, not at all".
The guy is hysterical and we have a 9 page thread dedicated to him here. Should be a fun read. :corn (EDIT - It was trippier than expected, with Prater turning up, defending himself while pretending to be a third party. :lolpalm:)
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So I finally decided on the voice I'm using when I read David Prater's lines. If anyone remembers the movie Beverly Hill's Cop with Eddie Murphy, this should be familiar. It's the scene where the captain has the two cops assigned to watch Axel Foley. One of the cops says, "I'm not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe" and Axel mocks the way he says it. THAT guy's voice is David Prater.
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Finally received mine after one month since shipping! I hate brazilian mail!
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Just finished reading the book! It's a great book and gives lots of insight into a DT's music and past... Now I'm really looking forward to get the DT12 tab book and seeing the band again live in February.
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I finished reading as well. Excellent book, worth all the wait! :tup
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The one thing that really surprised me in the Images and Words chapter is that MP said that they consider "Take The Time" to be their Bohemian Rhapsody. I'd guess that was Metropolis, or A Change of Seasons. I never considered Take The Time to be the quintessential DT song, and definitely not their most epic and diverse song. Which is something that BR is to Queen.
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Considering I have the original and first update of this book I remember passing on this, but I just got an email that my order had shipped... That's how screwy this was, so delayed I forgot ordering it.
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Considering I have the original and first update of this book I remember passing on this, but I just got an email that my order had shipped... That's how screwy this was, so delayed I forgot ordering it.
I received an email that my order had shipped. . . for the previous hardback version. Apparently, Essential Works had a technical glitch that re-sent some old emails. So, you may just have been getting another confirmation on your previous order.
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Got mine in the mail a week ago and finished it Saturday. Started reading it over again today ::)
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Considering I have the original and first update of this book I remember passing on this, but I just got an email that my order had shipped... That's how screwy this was, so delayed I forgot ordering it.
I received an email that my order had shipped. . . for the previous hardback version. Apparently, Essential Works had a technical glitch that re-sent some old emails. So, you may just have been getting another confirmation on your previous order.
:lol Okay, that makes more sense!
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Got my copy a few weeks ago and am LOVING it, just like I knew I would. This will instantly be my favorite book ever, and I hope to read it 20+ times in a row. Even hardcore DT fans don't know all the info in this book. Such an in-depth.... "inside" look at the band. Thank you so much, to whoever wrote it. $20 isn't enough for how much enjoyment I'll get from this book.
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By the way... Regarding the parts where JR talks about how some of his ideas were turned down during the making of SDOIT, and when he talks about how because ToT was a very Metal oriented album, his role and influence were diminished... Was I the only one who read his tone as a little resentful there?
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Ordered my copy a few day ago and its already here! Can't wait to dig into the good stuff.
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Anyone know how long to expect shipping to the USA to be? I feel like I've been waiting forever. If I go to the e-mail and to the site to track the order, it says it was dispatched the day after I ordered it (back in November). Not sure if when it does arrive it will say it's been delivered? Just wondering how long to wait before I need to think there's been some delivery problem.
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I would have thought you should have received it by now.
You're best bet is to contact the publishers via https://rocket88books.com/contacts/ (https://rocket88books.com/contacts/)
They will be able to help you, though they might not be back at their desks until 2nd January.
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Rich,
Thanks for the quick response, you rock! They told me it must have been lost in the mail and are sending me out a new copy.
Thanks again,
Tom
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No worries Tom - I'm glad they sorted it for you!
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Hi Rich :)
Supposedly to be to released Polish version in this year,is that true?
Sorry for my language.
Regard,Charles PL-Co Founder,Moderator & Redactor(Polish DT Fan Club-Metropolis PL)
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Hi Charles,
Yes, there is a Polish version coming very soon. It's currently being translated and I believe the Polish publishers are hoping to release the book in February!
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Just ordered my copy online this evening!! Can't wait for it to arrive!! :metal
EDIT: And it has arrived already just 6 days later. Awesome!!!! :tup
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The only thing that conerned me was they praised so much SC, BCSL and ADTOE consider it to be their best albums when they really the 3 weaker performences even they are great but forsure not as good as they described.
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Really excited about reading this book, I've ordered it and its on the way to New Zealand.
When I've read other bio books I was super keen to listen to the music again because the book gave another perspective to the music.
Its pretty clear this book will be doing that too.
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Really excited about reading this book, I've ordered it and its on the way to New Zealand.
When I've read other bio books I was super keen to listen to the music again because the book gave another perspective to the music.
Its pretty clear this book will be doing that too.
Yeah, I totally geeked out and listened to each album chronologically to coincide with each section of the book as I was reading that section. :lol
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Just got an email, my book is at the ups depot in Philadelphia , waiting for a plane to bring it to Aotearoa/ New Zealand, chur.
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I just got an email saying mine should be here between tomorrow and the 17th.
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Track and trace says it's now in Lancaster, it's still on the states.
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Its being "Processed through USPS Sort Facility
CHICAGO, IL 60666 "
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I received mine on Wednesday. Will probably start reading it in a few weeks when I start traveling for my new job.
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Getting closer, tracked it and it's in New Zealand
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It's in my hands, so excited ,
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Just finished reading it, what a compelling read - a must have for anyone here surely!
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I wonder, is there any chance for the newest update of Lifting Shadows. More then 10 years since the last update, I believe.. cmiiw.. lot of new stories
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I thought I read somewhere years back that Rich wasn't going to be doing an update. It'd be nice for sure though.
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I received mine on Wednesday. Will probably start reading it in a few weeks when I start traveling for my new job.
:lol I accidentally left my book on a flight shortly after this. I was so mad at myself. I never had the chance to get another book and likely won't come back to this now unless there was an updated version. OH well, my fault sadly.