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Title: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: crazyaga on June 21, 2013, 09:21:18 AM
(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: VincentMDO on June 21, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
Here we go.  :corn
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 09:24:45 AM
Totally. All that grass is clone stamped too.  :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2013, 09:27:54 AM
This is new.



Said 2005.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Lucien on June 21, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
This is what we do at DTF

 :tup
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Zook on June 21, 2013, 09:28:57 AM
That's not even the final artwork.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 09:30:10 AM
One has a Majesty logo! All the balls aren't the same  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Zook on June 21, 2013, 09:33:43 AM
This is new.



Said 2005.

Wasn't this picture made in 2005 anyway? I think crazyaga is having a nostalgia moment.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sycsa on June 21, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
Probably the ugliest DT album cover of all. I'd rather look at the hairy armpit of the WDADU guy.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: crazyaga on June 21, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
One has a Majesty logo! All the balls aren't the same  :facepalm:
Yes they are. 1st and 3rd ball are mirror images, and the 4th ball is the same as the 1st ball just with a DT logo.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 09:41:26 AM
Yes they are. 1st and 3rd ball are mirror images, and the 4th ball is the same as the 1st ball just with a DT logo.

 :justjen
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: yorost on June 21, 2013, 09:46:11 AM
I find it to be an eyesore because of the terrible geometry.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 21, 2013, 09:52:23 AM
Wow, someone has the time to even care about that?   :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: RoeDent on June 21, 2013, 10:01:58 AM
I'm more concerned about the "tin can and string" artwork inside the booklet. I would've put the speaking boy on the first page, and the listening boy on the last page. So the first boy is speaking the words of the album to the last boy.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2013, 10:05:08 AM
I'm more concerned about the "tin can and string" artwork inside the booklet. I would've put the speaking boy on the first page, and the listening boy on the last page. So the first boy is speaking the words of the album to the last boy.

But it's correct as is, to fit the cyclical theme of the album. Having the boy on the first page talking to the boy on the last page would be too finite.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: yorost on June 21, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Wow, someone has the time to even care about that?   :lol
To me the geometry sticks out plain as day. It just is unpleasant to look at, whether or not I care about the artwork.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Big Hath on June 21, 2013, 10:08:08 AM
I'm more concerned about the "tin can and string" artwork inside the booklet. I would've put the speaking boy on the first page, and the listening boy on the last page. So the first boy is speaking the words of the album to the last boy.

But it's correct as is, to fit the cyclical theme of the album. Having the boy on the first page talking to the boy on the last page would be too finite.

the cord from the first can should go into the back of the head of the next boy who in turn is speaking into a can . . .
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 21, 2013, 10:08:58 AM
More old Octavarium album cover news:  If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:

(https://dt.spatang.com/albumpics/octavarium_jacket00.jpg)

The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys.  The ball on each end is "F".
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2013, 10:14:06 AM
Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 10:17:38 AM
Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I still hear the voices.

The incorrect angle was much-discussed. Over-discussed. No problem discussing it again - lots of new people here, why wouldn't we! - but Setlist Scotty even corrected it on the 20th anniversary poster.

The first draft, Hugh Syme's patented black bar didn't quite stretch across the bottom, and the strings didn't have much texture (or didn't have hooks, or something?) and they went back and fixed it.

Despite all this... I think Octavarium's still one of the most striking covers in the DT discography.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Big Hath on June 21, 2013, 10:20:15 AM
is that John Myung?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 10:20:53 AM
is that John Myung?

no.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: TheAtliator on June 21, 2013, 10:21:32 AM
Wow, I've never noticed that the geometry of the first and last balls are off. Now I can't un-see that.. damnit  :lol thanks a lot guys lol

One would think they would have taken the two seconds and looked up the geometric equation and got it right!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2013, 10:25:29 AM
Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I still hear the voices.

The incorrect angle was much-discussed. Over-discussed. No problem discussing it again - lots of new people here, why wouldn't we! - but Setlist Scotty even corrected it on the 20th anniversary poster.

The first draft, Hugh Syme's patented black bar didn't quite stretch across the bottom, and the strings didn't have much texture (or didn't have hooks, or something?) and they went back and fixed it.

Despite all this... I think Octavarium's still one of the most striking covers in the DT discography.

The draft didn't have the loops. Even the final one didn't have a textured rope though.
And I agree it's one of DT's better covers, and one of Hugh Syme's better works for the band, including the booklet artwork.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Especially the booklet art!

Hugh Syme has a funny habit of coupling slightly dodgy cover art with great stuff inside the booklet. I think Octavarium's a really cool cover, geometry or no, but the booklet art is still utterly kickin'.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 21, 2013, 10:28:38 AM
The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2013, 10:32:21 AM
The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!

Just like we noticed that the band's font on ADTOE is squished vertically to 84% of the correct height. RAGE!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 21, 2013, 10:34:33 AM
Well, yeah, but when there are references to geometry and angles and it being "flawed", my mind goes to "Hmph.  That's funny.  Never would've noticed.  All the while, I was over here headbanging to Root of All Evil".  :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!

Just like we noticed that the band's font on ADTOE is squished vertically to 84% of the correct height. RAGE!
On which note, I'm fine with the stock photography, the black bars, and the constant barrage of overly literal visual puns, but I will never understand why Hugh Syme is so hell-bent on squashing that logo up, nowadays.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 21, 2013, 10:39:50 AM
The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!

Just like we noticed that the band's font on ADTOE is squished vertically to 84% of the correct height. RAGE!
On which note, I'm fine with the stock photography, the black bars, and the constant barrage of overly literal visual puns, but I will never understand why Hugh Syme is so hell-bent on squashing that logo up, nowadays.

And I promise I will rage to important people if it happens on DT12. :lol :blob:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 21, 2013, 10:56:55 AM
Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.

Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!

Guy #1:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.

Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!

Guy #1: Why are you thinking about balls?

Guy #2:
 (https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)

FTFY
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 11:00:03 AM
Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.

Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!

Guy #1:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
You're right, that is completely barmy.

And if it ever happens, I will inform the town elders at once.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 21, 2013, 11:01:06 AM
Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.

Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!

Guy #1: Why are you thinking about balls?

Guy #2:
 (https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)

FTFY

:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 21, 2013, 11:03:55 AM
The only thing that bothers me about this cover is that there is no shadow of the balls on the ground.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: yorost on June 21, 2013, 11:05:44 AM
Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I wasn't, but now I am. Thanks a lot, friend.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I wasn't, but now I am. Thanks a lot, friend.

One day - someone must write an article about it for all of us relative n00bs to read :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Orbert on June 21, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
I don't think the cover "ruins" the album or anything, but there are some people who'll catch things like that, and it will bother them always.  When I first saw the cover, I thought something looked a bit off, but couldn't figure out what it was.  Less than a day later, the angle of the fourth ball had been analyzed and found to be wrong, and the entire analysis was posted here.  I really was glad that I didn't have to do the work myself, because now I know what's "wrong" about it.  And it was also heartening to know that I wasn't the only one bothered by it.

This is published work.  Someone signed their name to it, took credit for it.  It is amazing that it could be so sloppy, when just a little more effort would have avoided all of it.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 11:30:50 AM

This is published work.  Someone signed their name to it, took credit for it.  It is amazing that it could be so sloppy, when just a little more effort would have avoided all of it.

Even more amazing is that someone (or a group of people) looked it over/proofed it and ultimately approved it.

Several person FAIL.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: goo-goo on June 21, 2013, 11:55:57 AM
More old Octavarium album cover news:  If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:

*snip

The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys.  The ball on each end is "F".

Ha! Thanks for pointing that one out. This is the first time I noticed this.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: TheGreatPretender on June 21, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
All this talk about balls made me realize that I have a really dirty mind.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 21, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
More old Octavarium album cover news:  If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:

*snip

The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys.  The ball on each end is "F".

Ha! Thanks for pointing that one out. This is the first time I noticed this.

Which now that I think about it is all the more interesting.  The balls start and end with what is represented to be the F key.

What's the very first note in Root of All Evil?

F on the piano.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Orbert on June 21, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
It's the entire album.  "The Root of All Evil" is in F, "The Answer Lies Within" is in G, etc.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 21, 2013, 12:59:21 PM
OMGZ..... This album is the rockers! CRUCIFY!!!!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
Oh, my. The day has come.

The cult of the Octavarium forum has waited for this.

From the ashes... IT WILL RISE!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Big Hath on June 21, 2013, 01:04:57 PM
Im telling you , it looks like Myung
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 21, 2013, 01:11:37 PM
CRUFICY
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sketchy on June 21, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
I'd also like to point out that if the thing you're unhappy about with the balls not being rotated is the shiny-bit, that would't be changed, due to how far away the sun is.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: lyfeternl on June 21, 2013, 01:21:20 PM
The only thing that bothers me about this cover is that there is no shadow of the balls on the ground.

They had already lifted the shadows off of it... :neverusethis:

More old Octavarium album cover news:  If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:

(https://dt.spatang.com/albumpics/octavarium_jacket00.jpg)

The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys.  The ball on each end is "F".

I also see 5 birds and 8 balls...it's like there's a theme or something...
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2013, 02:09:17 PM
 :lol

Simple answer.  I could care less.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: lyfeternl on June 21, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
:lol

Simple answer.  I could care less.

WARNING: Someone will comment on this slip
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 21, 2013, 02:11:46 PM
I also see 5 birds and 8 balls...it's like there's a theme or something...

I see 8,500,000 blades of grass.

NUGGETS
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
:lol

Simple answer.  I could care less.

WARNING: Someone will comment on this slip

Only a crazy(aga) would dare.  ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
:lol

Simple answer.  I could care less.

Could or Couldn't ?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2013, 02:21:34 PM
American phrase suckas! :P

Yeah yeah you grammar police. :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
Well if you could care less - that means you care at least an infinitesimal amount ;)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2013, 02:42:58 PM
Nope.  It's am American slang that took out the n't about a decade after the phrase came into use.  It is grammatically incorrect but it is used in the states and still means the same.  I could give a flying leap about these silly little things that people with all the time in the world want to debate ad nauseum like it means anything to everybody who is on the internet and real life.


Run-on if you are wondering.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
 ::)

Like correct spelling...

I could give a flying leap about these silly little things...
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2013, 02:52:29 PM
::)

Like correct spelling...

I could give a flying leap about these silly little things...

Sigh.  Here you go.  Jesus, use the internet you are on if you want to play semantics.

https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 03:29:56 PM
Nope.  It's am American slang that took out the n't about a decade after the phrase came into use.  It is grammatically incorrect but it is used in the states and still means the same.  I could give a flying leap about these silly little things that people with all the time in the world want to debate ad nauseum like it means anything to everybody who is on the internet and real life.


Run-on if you are wondering.
In fairness, it's not a grammatical thing so much as a semantic thing. It's that the words don't mean that thing when they put them in that order.

That said, if it's good enough for this Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care), it's good enough for this Webster. I'm not personally going to start using it any time soon, but human language has been morphing for two billion years now, no use getting precious about a particular incarnation.

...Crikey, I'm pedantic today!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 21, 2013, 03:44:52 PM
Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.

Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!

Guy #1: Why are you thinking about balls?

Guy #2:
 (https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)

FTFY

:rollin :rollin :rollin

Yeah, you guys are killin' me.   :lol :rollin  :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 21, 2013, 04:37:30 PM
Never knew about this, but go figure. Hugh Syme stinks.

But hey! He did pretty bad covers for Rush, too! At least he DT covers don't have asses on them :P
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Does anyone else have this weird feeling like Hugh Syme's going to register and start defending the Octavarium cover? It's been that kind of a week.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2013, 05:21:38 PM
He won't be able to defend ADToE...
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Lucien on June 21, 2013, 05:27:53 PM
Power Windows had a good album cover. Of course, that was an acrylic painting.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: ArchVile on June 21, 2013, 07:28:39 PM
ROFLMAO. i really like threads like this , i made a drawing too, but only using paint :(

But first i have to say that i dont understand why two balls are in the air, just 1 sould be to work  :lol :lol :lol

(https://i43.tinypic.com/2wbt1fc.jpg)
used pixels to measure horizontal and vertical lines  :biggrin:
 :rollin :mehlin
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2013, 07:34:30 PM
I don't even
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Implode on June 21, 2013, 07:42:48 PM
Wow, I've never noticed that the geometry of the first and last balls are off. Now I can't un-see that.. damnit  :lol thanks a lot guys lol

Ugh same. I actually really like this album cover, but now it's going to bother me.

 And now it's really obvious how they did it. You don't even need math. You could do it correctly pretty easily. Instead of making the ball and string first, then rotating it about the correct point off canvas, they just copied the ball on the far left, moved it up a bit diagonally. They didn't even rotate the ball. Then they just rotated the string a bit and bit wherever it ended up. Stuck a diagonal Majesty symbol and there and mirrored it on the back. Laaaaaaaazy. At least he matched the angle of the symbol and the string.  :\

(sometimes it's just fun to complain about dumb things.)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 22, 2013, 12:57:05 PM
The best part is when you look on the back cover, it shows the band members faces on different keys of a piano, and James... is on F#.

NO JOKE
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Lucien on June 22, 2013, 12:58:07 PM
The best part is when you look on the back cover, it shows the band members faces on different keys of a piano, and James... is on F#.

NO JOKE

 :o


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 25, 2013, 09:20:35 AM

But first i have to say that i dont understand why two balls are in the air, just 1 sould be to work  :lol :lol :lol



Depends on what you mean by "work".  Newton's Cradles are use to demonstrate conservation of momentum, and you can see different aspects of this by lifting and dropping different numbers of balls.  Lifting one on each end and dropping them at the same time yields an interesting result.


Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: rumborak on June 25, 2013, 09:34:36 AM
That album cover stands in stark contrast to the music on it. It looks like highschool project.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 25, 2013, 09:57:47 AM
Dear God in heaven, not this again.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 25, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
Well i can never see the cover normally again... Thanks
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 25, 2013, 12:31:05 PM
Well i can never see the cover normally again... Thanks
Are you saying, your Octavarium booklet will never be open again...?


 :laugh:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: darkshade on June 25, 2013, 12:32:14 PM
:lol

Simple answer.  I could care less.

WARNING: Someone will comment on this slip

I think it's OK, because he CAN care less.

Now if he said he couldn't care less, then it'd be different.

 :yarr
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Orbert on June 25, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
Dear God in heaven, not this again.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: johncal on June 25, 2013, 05:44:49 PM
Probably the ugliest DT album cover of all. I'd rather look at the hairy armpit of the WDADU guy.

Could have been worse. The swinging balls could have been hairy :omg:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 25, 2013, 05:49:23 PM
Probably the ugliest DT album cover of all. I'd rather look at the hairy armpit of the WDADU guy.

Could have been worse. The swinging balls could have been hairy :omg:

Or there could be a frigging unicycle.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: wolfking on June 25, 2013, 06:34:47 PM
(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)

Who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Infinite Cactus on June 25, 2013, 07:27:19 PM

Who gives a fuck.

^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Chino on June 25, 2013, 07:36:22 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_r6rZyovRILs/TGp_BB-nn1I/AAAAAAAAAAM/qc8ZwXwp3w0/s400/octavarium_jacket05RESIZE.jpg)

MP is the fish near the octopus, and each tentacle is a side project.

True story.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: yorost on June 26, 2013, 09:08:28 AM

Who gives a fuck.
^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
Don't group everyone together or anything, or even read explanations given. As I have already said in here, it just is uncomfortable to look at, and is not some deduced complaint. So it isn't for you, great, but your senses/tendencies/quirks aren't the same as everyone elses.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 26, 2013, 10:02:13 AM

Who gives a fuck.

^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.

This. It's still one of the best DT album covers.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: lyfeternl on June 26, 2013, 10:13:05 AM
(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)

Who gives a fuck.

Hey man, this is srs business here

You can tell the crowds are growing restless while waiting for any of the new releases on the horizon
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Lucien on June 26, 2013, 10:14:25 AM
(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)

Who gives a fuck.

Hey man, this is srs business here

You can tell the crowds are growing restless while waiting for any of the new releases on the horizon

VERY restless.  :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 26, 2013, 07:21:04 PM
Dear God in heaven, not this again.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Infinite Cactus on June 26, 2013, 08:05:27 PM
I made my own.

(https://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z440/TwoSlyDeuce/lol8vmdf_zpsd97afa19.jpg)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: rumborak on June 26, 2013, 08:52:01 PM

Who gives a fuck.

^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.

This. It's still one of the best DT album covers.

Wat
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Orbert on June 26, 2013, 09:20:18 PM
I made my own.

(https://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z440/TwoSlyDeuce/lol8vmdf_zpsd97afa19.jpg)

I like this one.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Big Hath on June 26, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
so it's Jesus, not Myung?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: wolfking on June 27, 2013, 04:41:05 AM
I always thought it was Lucy Lui.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: ? on June 27, 2013, 05:13:37 AM
I always thought it was Lucy Lui.
"I'd sooner take my life away than live with Lucy Liu" :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 27, 2013, 05:17:15 AM
I always thought it was Lucy Lui.
"I'd sooner take my life away than live with Lucy Liu" :lol

:lol

The Answer Lius Within
I Walk Beside Liu
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: serrano on June 27, 2013, 05:19:23 AM
Victoria is real... ...and she's Luci Liu
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: wolfking on June 27, 2013, 05:29:49 AM
What have I started?  :lol

Lui Millennium
Lui Not Me
Strange Deja Lui
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 27, 2013, 05:36:40 AM
Her vacant eyes.... Black holes.....Am I Lucy Liu?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: perfey on June 27, 2013, 08:14:45 AM
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 27, 2013, 08:16:30 AM
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu

Someone is trying too hard.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Zook on June 27, 2013, 08:18:07 AM
I think they could have done without the black bar. Otherwise it's a perfectly fine album cover. Not taking the minor flaws into account of course.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 27, 2013, 08:22:03 AM
I think they could have done without the black bar. Otherwise it's a perfectly fine album cover. Not taking the minor flaws into account of course.

I don't mind the black bar to offset the lightness a bit, although doing it for two album covers in a row was a bit lame. Aside from that, I think it's one of their better album covers. There's not an awful lot of competition there.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: perfey on June 27, 2013, 08:25:49 AM
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu

Someone is trying too hard.

Yeah, maybe. I havent thought about the eventual flaws, I like the cover as is it anyway.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: lyfeternl on June 27, 2013, 08:27:51 AM
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu

Someone is trying too hard.

More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...

What a Liuser :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 27, 2013, 08:32:15 AM
More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...

What a Liuser :neverusethis:

Liu doesn't rhyme with Fatal either?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
Her vacant eyes.... Black holes.....Am I Lucy Liu?
This is the best.  Too bad it's the wrong album.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 27, 2013, 10:54:28 AM
Her vacant eyes.... Black holes.....Am I Lucy Liu?
This is the best.  Too bad it's the wrong album.

I didn't even realise that we were just doing that album, as most people weren't, but I see how it is, just because I won, you have to change the rules  :rollin
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: GasparXR on June 27, 2013, 11:55:19 AM
How do we know the incorrect trig of the hanging balls wasn't done on purpose to stir the fanbase, or perhaps Hugh Syme views flaws as the true meaning of creativity rather than perfection?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 27, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
You said hanging balls. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: GasparXR on June 27, 2013, 11:59:45 AM
You said hanging balls. :neverusethis:

They sure get this board going :eyebrows:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 27, 2013, 12:05:56 PM
:heybaby:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: ? on June 27, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYMSRLOoK0#t=3m48s
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 27, 2013, 01:04:14 PM
:lol :lol James is awesome.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Mindflux on June 27, 2013, 01:14:15 PM
:heybaby:

This smiley does not look good when balls are in convo. It looks like a person handling two ... *ahem*wangenfelters*ahem*
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: yorost on June 27, 2013, 01:37:50 PM
How do we know the incorrect trig of the hanging balls wasn't done on purpose to stir the fanbase, or perhaps Hugh Syme views flaws as the true meaning of creativity rather than perfection?
I would be less surprised to find out that it was originally correct, but that he was then told to move it in so it looked 'right'.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: perfey on June 27, 2013, 02:48:09 PM
More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...

What a Liuser :neverusethis:

Liu doesn't rhyme with Fatal either?  :facepalm:
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu

Someone is trying too hard.

More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...

What a Liuser :neverusethis:

Ok, yeah, noticed that now that you say it :P. I didnt thought that it should ryme :).
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 27, 2013, 07:27:03 PM
:lol :lol James is awesome.

Yes he is. :heart
 
:heybaby:

This smiley does not look good when balls are in convo. It looks like a person handling two ... *ahem*wangenfelters*ahem*

Um... okay... :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Big Hath on July 06, 2013, 07:16:10 AM
what if we're all wrong and the ball was pulled back at an angle away from us to compensate for the shorter length?  Maybe it's all an optical illusion.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2013, 10:05:14 AM
(then it would have a smaller perceived diameter, which it does not)
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Big Hath on July 06, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
unless the ball on the right is bigger

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2013, 09:26:59 PM
:omg:  I didn't think of that!
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
Or maybe Hugh just meant it to be that way.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 07, 2013, 02:24:55 AM
Or maybe Hugh just meant it to be that way.
Doubtful.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2013, 04:58:08 AM
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu

The fuck?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: aprilethereal on July 07, 2013, 06:50:13 AM
Or maybe Hugh just meant it to be that way.

no doubt.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Jaq on July 07, 2013, 11:40:48 AM
Dear God in heaven, not this again.

Seriously, guys. Lighten up. If your enjoyment of this album is impacted at all by whatever the blue hell you think is wrong with the cover, SEEK HELP.  :lol
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Sycsa on July 07, 2013, 01:54:39 PM

Who gives a fuck.

^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.

I always took pride in the DT community finding all sorts of hidden stuff everywhere. Nitpicking the heck out of album covers is still way better than being ordinary and boring.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Nick on July 07, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
Syme has been lazily ruining art for DT and Rush for too long now, I really wish both bands would drop him.

And let me just say that he *used* to be an absolutely stunning choice for album art, just not so much in the last decade.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 08, 2013, 09:00:33 AM
Syme has been lazily ruining art for DT and Rush for too long now, I really wish both bands would drop him.

And let me just say that he *used* to be an absolutely stunning choice for album art, just not so much in the last decade.

Agree 100%.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 08, 2013, 11:00:20 AM
Syme has been lazily ruining art for DT and Rush for too long now, I really wish both bands would drop him.

And let me just say that he *used* to be an absolutely stunning choice for album art, just not so much in the last decade.

Agreed 50 percent. I really don't think he was ever that good. He's had a couple of hits obviously but only the biggest of Rush nuts are anything other than unsettled by a man's bare ass on the cover of the album they're buying.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: El JoNNo on July 08, 2013, 11:24:24 AM
I'm more concerned that the two hands on the inside of the booklet for Train of Thought is the same stock photo used in the beginning of that old show The Outer Limits. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo
at 23 seconds and if i recall there are other hands holding a heart at 16 seconds in the booklet as well.

Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 08, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
I'm more concerned that the two hands on the inside of the booklet for Train of Thought is the same stock photo used in the beginning of that old show The Outer Limits. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo
at 23 seconds and if i recall there are other hands holding a heart at 16 seconds in the booklet as well.
Wow. Eyes, hands, tunnels of stock photos, clocks... are you sure Syme didn't create that intro?
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: GasparXR on July 08, 2013, 12:40:32 PM
Hugh Syme didn't do the art for Train of Thought. It was Jerry Uelsmann.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: lyfeternl on July 08, 2013, 01:32:04 PM
I know it isn't Hugh's work when I enjoy the cover art.... :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: El JoNNo on July 08, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
huh whadda'ya know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Uelsmann
Quote
His photographs can be seen in the opening credits of the television series The Outer Limits (1995), and the illustrated edition of Stephen King's Salem's Lot. In addition, his artwork is featured in the progressive metal band Dream Theater's seventh studio album Train of Thought (2003).
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: robwebster on July 08, 2013, 02:13:25 PM
Yeah, Jerry's a... photographer, I think? He creates his own art, he's got a very different style to Hugh Syme's digital collages.
Title: Re: The flaws in octavarium's album art.
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 08, 2013, 02:31:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYMSRLOoK0#t=3m48s
Dat video again! :rollin

Jesus JP always kills me and Latin OTBOA!  :lol Truly a work of art.