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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: crazyaga on June 21, 2013, 09:21:18 AM
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)
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Here we go. :corn
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Totally. All that grass is clone stamped too. :lol
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This is new.
Said 2005.
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This is what we do at DTF
:tup
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That's not even the final artwork.
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One has a Majesty logo! All the balls aren't the same :facepalm:
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This is new.
Said 2005.
Wasn't this picture made in 2005 anyway? I think crazyaga is having a nostalgia moment.
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Probably the ugliest DT album cover of all. I'd rather look at the hairy armpit of the WDADU guy.
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One has a Majesty logo! All the balls aren't the same :facepalm:
Yes they are. 1st and 3rd ball are mirror images, and the 4th ball is the same as the 1st ball just with a DT logo.
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Yes they are. 1st and 3rd ball are mirror images, and the 4th ball is the same as the 1st ball just with a DT logo.
:justjen
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I find it to be an eyesore because of the terrible geometry.
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Wow, someone has the time to even care about that? :lol
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I'm more concerned about the "tin can and string" artwork inside the booklet. I would've put the speaking boy on the first page, and the listening boy on the last page. So the first boy is speaking the words of the album to the last boy.
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I'm more concerned about the "tin can and string" artwork inside the booklet. I would've put the speaking boy on the first page, and the listening boy on the last page. So the first boy is speaking the words of the album to the last boy.
But it's correct as is, to fit the cyclical theme of the album. Having the boy on the first page talking to the boy on the last page would be too finite.
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Wow, someone has the time to even care about that? :lol
To me the geometry sticks out plain as day. It just is unpleasant to look at, whether or not I care about the artwork.
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I'm more concerned about the "tin can and string" artwork inside the booklet. I would've put the speaking boy on the first page, and the listening boy on the last page. So the first boy is speaking the words of the album to the last boy.
But it's correct as is, to fit the cyclical theme of the album. Having the boy on the first page talking to the boy on the last page would be too finite.
the cord from the first can should go into the back of the head of the next boy who in turn is speaking into a can . . .
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More old Octavarium album cover news: If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:
(https://dt.spatang.com/albumpics/octavarium_jacket00.jpg)
The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys. The ball on each end is "F".
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Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
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Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I still hear the voices.
The incorrect angle was much-discussed. Over-discussed. No problem discussing it again - lots of new people here, why wouldn't we! - but Setlist Scotty even corrected it on the 20th anniversary poster.
The first draft, Hugh Syme's patented black bar didn't quite stretch across the bottom, and the strings didn't have much texture (or didn't have hooks, or something?) and they went back and fixed it.
Despite all this... I think Octavarium's still one of the most striking covers in the DT discography.
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is that John Myung?
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is that John Myung?
no.
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Wow, I've never noticed that the geometry of the first and last balls are off. Now I can't un-see that.. damnit :lol thanks a lot guys lol
One would think they would have taken the two seconds and looked up the geometric equation and got it right!
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Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I still hear the voices.
The incorrect angle was much-discussed. Over-discussed. No problem discussing it again - lots of new people here, why wouldn't we! - but Setlist Scotty even corrected it on the 20th anniversary poster.
The first draft, Hugh Syme's patented black bar didn't quite stretch across the bottom, and the strings didn't have much texture (or didn't have hooks, or something?) and they went back and fixed it.
Despite all this... I think Octavarium's still one of the most striking covers in the DT discography.
The draft didn't have the loops. Even the final one didn't have a textured rope though.
And I agree it's one of DT's better covers, and one of Hugh Syme's better works for the band, including the booklet artwork.
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Especially the booklet art!
Hugh Syme has a funny habit of coupling slightly dodgy cover art with great stuff inside the booklet. I think Octavarium's a really cool cover, geometry or no, but the booklet art is still utterly kickin'.
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The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
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The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!
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The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!
Just like we noticed that the band's font on ADTOE is squished vertically to 84% of the correct height. RAGE!
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Well, yeah, but when there are references to geometry and angles and it being "flawed", my mind goes to "Hmph. That's funny. Never would've noticed. All the while, I was over here headbanging to Root of All Evil". :lol
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The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!
Just like we noticed that the band's font on ADTOE is squished vertically to 84% of the correct height. RAGE!
On which note, I'm fine with the stock photography, the black bars, and the constant barrage of overly literal visual puns, but I will never understand why Hugh Syme is so hell-bent on squashing that logo up, nowadays.
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The fact that anybody took the time to analyze geometric anomalies in a prog band's album cover SHOULDN'T surprise me, but it still kinda does.
Well, when you put it that way, sure! But that's mostly cos you described it as "analysing a geometric anomaly." What they've really done, is they've noticed a picture looks squiffy. A picture that was the poster for two years of DT's career! Course we noticed!
Just like we noticed that the band's font on ADTOE is squished vertically to 84% of the correct height. RAGE!
On which note, I'm fine with the stock photography, the black bars, and the constant barrage of overly literal visual puns, but I will never understand why Hugh Syme is so hell-bent on squashing that logo up, nowadays.
And I promise I will rage to important people if it happens on DT12. :lol :blob:
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Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.
Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!
Guy #1:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
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Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.
Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!
Guy #1: Why are you thinking about balls?
Guy #2:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
FTFY
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Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.
Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!
Guy #1:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
You're right, that is completely barmy.
And if it ever happens, I will inform the town elders at once.
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Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.
Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!
Guy #1: Why are you thinking about balls?
Guy #2:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
FTFY
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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The only thing that bothers me about this cover is that there is no shadow of the balls on the ground.
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Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I wasn't, but now I am. Thanks a lot, friend.
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Is anyone else have PTSD flashbacks to the Octavarium sub-forum right now?
I wasn't, but now I am. Thanks a lot, friend.
One day - someone must write an article about it for all of us relative n00bs to read :lol
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I don't think the cover "ruins" the album or anything, but there are some people who'll catch things like that, and it will bother them always. When I first saw the cover, I thought something looked a bit off, but couldn't figure out what it was. Less than a day later, the angle of the fourth ball had been analyzed and found to be wrong, and the entire analysis was posted here. I really was glad that I didn't have to do the work myself, because now I know what's "wrong" about it. And it was also heartening to know that I wasn't the only one bothered by it.
This is published work. Someone signed their name to it, took credit for it. It is amazing that it could be so sloppy, when just a little more effort would have avoided all of it.
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This is published work. Someone signed their name to it, took credit for it. It is amazing that it could be so sloppy, when just a little more effort would have avoided all of it.
Even more amazing is that someone (or a group of people) looked it over/proofed it and ultimately approved it.
Several person FAIL.
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More old Octavarium album cover news: If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:
*snip
The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys. The ball on each end is "F".
Ha! Thanks for pointing that one out. This is the first time I noticed this.
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All this talk about balls made me realize that I have a really dirty mind.
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More old Octavarium album cover news: If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:
*snip
The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys. The ball on each end is "F".
Ha! Thanks for pointing that one out. This is the first time I noticed this.
Which now that I think about it is all the more interesting. The balls start and end with what is represented to be the F key.
What's the very first note in Root of All Evil?
F on the piano.
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It's the entire album. "The Root of All Evil" is in F, "The Answer Lies Within" is in G, etc.
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OMGZ..... This album is the rockers! CRUCIFY!!!!
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Oh, my. The day has come.
The cult of the Octavarium forum has waited for this.
From the ashes... IT WILL RISE!
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Im telling you , it looks like Myung
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CRUFICY
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I'd also like to point out that if the thing you're unhappy about with the balls not being rotated is the shiny-bit, that would't be changed, due to how far away the sun is.
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The only thing that bothers me about this cover is that there is no shadow of the balls on the ground.
They had already lifted the shadows off of it... :neverusethis:
More old Octavarium album cover news: If you look at the entire jacket laid out straight, you'll notice that it's a keyboard:
(https://dt.spatang.com/albumpics/octavarium_jacket00.jpg)
The balls are the white keys, the birds are the black keys. The ball on each end is "F".
I also see 5 birds and 8 balls...it's like there's a theme or something...
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:lol
Simple answer. I could care less.
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:lol
Simple answer. I could care less.
WARNING: Someone will comment on this slip
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I also see 5 birds and 8 balls...it's like there's a theme or something...
I see 8,500,000 blades of grass.
NUGGETS
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:lol
Simple answer. I could care less.
WARNING: Someone will comment on this slip
Only a crazy(aga) would dare. ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
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:lol
Simple answer. I could care less.
Could or Couldn't ?
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American phrase suckas! :P
Yeah yeah you grammar police. :lol
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Well if you could care less - that means you care at least an infinitesimal amount ;)
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Nope. It's am American slang that took out the n't about a decade after the phrase came into use. It is grammatically incorrect but it is used in the states and still means the same. I could give a flying leap about these silly little things that people with all the time in the world want to debate ad nauseum like it means anything to everybody who is on the internet and real life.
Run-on if you are wondering.
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::)
Like correct spelling...
I could give a flying leap about these silly little things...
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Like correct spelling...
I could give a flying leap about these silly little things...
Sigh. Here you go. Jesus, use the internet you are on if you want to play semantics.
https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm
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Nope. It's am American slang that took out the n't about a decade after the phrase came into use. It is grammatically incorrect but it is used in the states and still means the same. I could give a flying leap about these silly little things that people with all the time in the world want to debate ad nauseum like it means anything to everybody who is on the internet and real life.
Run-on if you are wondering.
In fairness, it's not a grammatical thing so much as a semantic thing. It's that the words don't mean that thing when they put them in that order.
That said, if it's good enough for this Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care), it's good enough for this Webster. I'm not personally going to start using it any time soon, but human language has been morphing for two billion years now, no use getting precious about a particular incarnation.
...Crikey, I'm pedantic today!
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Guy #1: Dude, listen to this album, it absolutely fucking rocks.
Guy #2: JESUS CHRIST MAN, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE ALBUM COVER, THE BALLS AREN'T ANGLED RIGHT!!
Guy #1: Why are you thinking about balls?
Guy #2:
(https://jgroome.com/kindlerage/res/thumbs/poker%20face.png)
FTFY
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Yeah, you guys are killin' me. :lol :rollin :lol
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Never knew about this, but go figure. Hugh Syme stinks.
But hey! He did pretty bad covers for Rush, too! At least he DT covers don't have asses on them :P
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Does anyone else have this weird feeling like Hugh Syme's going to register and start defending the Octavarium cover? It's been that kind of a week.
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He won't be able to defend ADToE...
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Power Windows had a good album cover. Of course, that was an acrylic painting.
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ROFLMAO. i really like threads like this , i made a drawing too, but only using paint :(
But first i have to say that i dont understand why two balls are in the air, just 1 sould be to work :lol :lol :lol
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2wbt1fc.jpg)
used pixels to measure horizontal and vertical lines :biggrin:
:rollin :mehlin
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I don't even
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Wow, I've never noticed that the geometry of the first and last balls are off. Now I can't un-see that.. damnit :lol thanks a lot guys lol
Ugh same. I actually really like this album cover, but now it's going to bother me.
And now it's really obvious how they did it. You don't even need math. You could do it correctly pretty easily. Instead of making the ball and string first, then rotating it about the correct point off canvas, they just copied the ball on the far left, moved it up a bit diagonally. They didn't even rotate the ball. Then they just rotated the string a bit and bit wherever it ended up. Stuck a diagonal Majesty symbol and there and mirrored it on the back. Laaaaaaaazy. At least he matched the angle of the symbol and the string. :\
(sometimes it's just fun to complain about dumb things.)
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The best part is when you look on the back cover, it shows the band members faces on different keys of a piano, and James... is on F#.
NO JOKE
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The best part is when you look on the back cover, it shows the band members faces on different keys of a piano, and James... is on F#.
NO JOKE
:o
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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But first i have to say that i dont understand why two balls are in the air, just 1 sould be to work :lol :lol :lol
Depends on what you mean by "work". Newton's Cradles are use to demonstrate conservation of momentum, and you can see different aspects of this by lifting and dropping different numbers of balls. Lifting one on each end and dropping them at the same time yields an interesting result.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle)
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That album cover stands in stark contrast to the music on it. It looks like highschool project.
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Dear God in heaven, not this again.
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Well i can never see the cover normally again... Thanks
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Well i can never see the cover normally again... Thanks
Are you saying, your Octavarium booklet will never be open again...?
:laugh:
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:lol
Simple answer. I could care less.
WARNING: Someone will comment on this slip
I think it's OK, because he CAN care less.
Now if he said he couldn't care less, then it'd be different.
:yarr
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Dear God in heaven, not this again.
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Probably the ugliest DT album cover of all. I'd rather look at the hairy armpit of the WDADU guy.
Could have been worse. The swinging balls could have been hairy :omg:
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Probably the ugliest DT album cover of all. I'd rather look at the hairy armpit of the WDADU guy.
Could have been worse. The swinging balls could have been hairy :omg:
Or there could be a frigging unicycle.
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)
Who gives a fuck.
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Who gives a fuck.
^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_r6rZyovRILs/TGp_BB-nn1I/AAAAAAAAAAM/qc8ZwXwp3w0/s400/octavarium_jacket05RESIZE.jpg)
MP is the fish near the octopus, and each tentacle is a side project.
True story.
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Who gives a fuck.
^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
Don't group everyone together or anything, or even read explanations given. As I have already said in here, it just is uncomfortable to look at, and is not some deduced complaint. So it isn't for you, great, but your senses/tendencies/quirks aren't the same as everyone elses.
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Who gives a fuck.
^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
This. It's still one of the best DT album covers.
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)
Who gives a fuck.
Hey man, this is srs business here
You can tell the crowds are growing restless while waiting for any of the new releases on the horizon
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/wqscgn.jpg)
Who gives a fuck.
Hey man, this is srs business here
You can tell the crowds are growing restless while waiting for any of the new releases on the horizon
VERY restless. :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin
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Dear God in heaven, not this again.
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I made my own.
(https://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z440/TwoSlyDeuce/lol8vmdf_zpsd97afa19.jpg)
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Who gives a fuck.
^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
This. It's still one of the best DT album covers.
Wat
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I made my own.
(https://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z440/TwoSlyDeuce/lol8vmdf_zpsd97afa19.jpg)
I like this one.
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so it's Jesus, not Myung?
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I always thought it was Lucy Lui.
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I always thought it was Lucy Lui.
"I'd sooner take my life away than live with Lucy Liu" :lol
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I always thought it was Lucy Lui.
"I'd sooner take my life away than live with Lucy Liu" :lol
:lol
The Answer Lius Within
I Walk Beside Liu
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Victoria is real... ...and she's Luci Liu
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What have I started? :lol
Lui Millennium
Lui Not Me
Strange Deja Lui
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Her vacant eyes.... Black holes.....Am I Lucy Liu?
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Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
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Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
Someone is trying too hard.
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I think they could have done without the black bar. Otherwise it's a perfectly fine album cover. Not taking the minor flaws into account of course.
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I think they could have done without the black bar. Otherwise it's a perfectly fine album cover. Not taking the minor flaws into account of course.
I don't mind the black bar to offset the lightness a bit, although doing it for two album covers in a row was a bit lame. Aside from that, I think it's one of their better album covers. There's not an awful lot of competition there.
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Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
Someone is trying too hard.
Yeah, maybe. I havent thought about the eventual flaws, I like the cover as is it anyway.
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Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
Someone is trying too hard.
More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...
What a Liuser :neverusethis:
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More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...
What a Liuser :neverusethis:
Liu doesn't rhyme with Fatal either? :facepalm:
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Her vacant eyes.... Black holes.....Am I Lucy Liu?
This is the best. Too bad it's the wrong album.
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Her vacant eyes.... Black holes.....Am I Lucy Liu?
This is the best. Too bad it's the wrong album.
I didn't even realise that we were just doing that album, as most people weren't, but I see how it is, just because I won, you have to change the rules :rollin
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How do we know the incorrect trig of the hanging balls wasn't done on purpose to stir the fanbase, or perhaps Hugh Syme views flaws as the true meaning of creativity rather than perfection?
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You said hanging balls. :neverusethis:
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You said hanging balls. :neverusethis:
They sure get this board going :eyebrows:
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:heybaby:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYMSRLOoK0#t=3m48s
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:lol :lol James is awesome.
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:heybaby:
This smiley does not look good when balls are in convo. It looks like a person handling two ... *ahem*wangenfelters*ahem*
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How do we know the incorrect trig of the hanging balls wasn't done on purpose to stir the fanbase, or perhaps Hugh Syme views flaws as the true meaning of creativity rather than perfection?
I would be less surprised to find out that it was originally correct, but that he was then told to move it in so it looked 'right'.
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More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...
What a Liuser :neverusethis:
Liu doesn't rhyme with Fatal either? :facepalm:
Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
Someone is trying too hard.
More like someone doesn't get it... Last time I checked, "liu" and "dream" do not rhyme...
What a Liuser :neverusethis:
Ok, yeah, noticed that now that you say it :P. I didnt thought that it should ryme :).
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:lol :lol James is awesome.
Yes he is. :heart
:heybaby:
This smiley does not look good when balls are in convo. It looks like a person handling two ... *ahem*wangenfelters*ahem*
Um... okay... :lol
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what if we're all wrong and the ball was pulled back at an angle away from us to compensate for the shorter length? Maybe it's all an optical illusion.
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(then it would have a smaller perceived diameter, which it does not)
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unless the ball on the right is bigger
:neverusethis:
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:omg: I didn't think of that!
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Or maybe Hugh just meant it to be that way.
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Or maybe Hugh just meant it to be that way.
Doubtful.
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Liu Tragedy
Lifting shadows of a Liu
Wait for Liu
The fuck?
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Or maybe Hugh just meant it to be that way.
no doubt.
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Dear God in heaven, not this again.
Seriously, guys. Lighten up. If your enjoyment of this album is impacted at all by whatever the blue hell you think is wrong with the cover, SEEK HELP. :lol
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Who gives a fuck.
^ This. I understand where people are coming from complaining about it and pointing it out. I really do. And yes they are correct I suppose. But in reality, way to be a cliche prog fans. Way to be.
I always took pride in the DT community finding all sorts of hidden stuff everywhere. Nitpicking the heck out of album covers is still way better than being ordinary and boring.
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Syme has been lazily ruining art for DT and Rush for too long now, I really wish both bands would drop him.
And let me just say that he *used* to be an absolutely stunning choice for album art, just not so much in the last decade.
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Syme has been lazily ruining art for DT and Rush for too long now, I really wish both bands would drop him.
And let me just say that he *used* to be an absolutely stunning choice for album art, just not so much in the last decade.
Agree 100%.
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Syme has been lazily ruining art for DT and Rush for too long now, I really wish both bands would drop him.
And let me just say that he *used* to be an absolutely stunning choice for album art, just not so much in the last decade.
Agreed 50 percent. I really don't think he was ever that good. He's had a couple of hits obviously but only the biggest of Rush nuts are anything other than unsettled by a man's bare ass on the cover of the album they're buying.
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I'm more concerned that the two hands on the inside of the booklet for Train of Thought is the same stock photo used in the beginning of that old show The Outer Limits. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo
at 23 seconds and if i recall there are other hands holding a heart at 16 seconds in the booklet as well.
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I'm more concerned that the two hands on the inside of the booklet for Train of Thought is the same stock photo used in the beginning of that old show The Outer Limits. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo
at 23 seconds and if i recall there are other hands holding a heart at 16 seconds in the booklet as well.
Wow. Eyes, hands, tunnels of stock photos, clocks... are you sure Syme didn't create that intro?
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Hugh Syme didn't do the art for Train of Thought. It was Jerry Uelsmann.
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I know it isn't Hugh's work when I enjoy the cover art.... :neverusethis:
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huh whadda'ya know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Uelsmann
His photographs can be seen in the opening credits of the television series The Outer Limits (1995), and the illustrated edition of Stephen King's Salem's Lot. In addition, his artwork is featured in the progressive metal band Dream Theater's seventh studio album Train of Thought (2003).
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Yeah, Jerry's a... photographer, I think? He creates his own art, he's got a very different style to Hugh Syme's digital collages.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYMSRLOoK0#t=3m48s
Dat video again! :rollin
Jesus JP always kills me and Latin OTBOA! :lol Truly a work of art.