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Title: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 10, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
I was kinda surprised to see that there wasn't an appreciate thread for this album. Granted, I'm biased since it's my favorite DT album, but still. There's a thread for literally each song on the album, so I figured I'd cap it off and make the appreciation thread for the album. :hat

Thoughts from the rest of the lovely folks here at DTF? :biggrin:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 10, 2013, 10:08:14 PM
My favorite DT album over-all. And no, just because it's their longest, or that it happens to be a double album (which, in the digital age, really has no meaning since songs escape physical medium, the idea of "double album" is only relevant to separate releases, like what Guns & Roses or Green Day have done).

Anyways, back on track - it's got the title epic, a Top 5 DT song for me, and the other 5 songs are just Top 20 songs, all of them, even "Misunderstood". They cover a wide range of material, sounds, feels, and genres on this album.

You've got the heavy metal riff-chugger (and beginning/best part of the Twelve-Step Suite) in "The Glass Prison", the piano-riffic and soaring "Blind Faith", the experimentally challenging "Misunderstood", the politically and morally driven Tool-esque rocker in "The Great Debate", the tear-jerking ballad with "Disappear", and the prog rock symphonic masterpiece with the 8-part title track. It's all here, and in great form.

Honestly, while the last 5 albums have had great songs, as a whole, I'd say nothing has compared to SDOIT since it's release. 8VM sort of came close, and BC&SL was pretty good, but as a whole album....nah. There have been par/sub-par moments or songs on each of the last 5 albums that have brought them down a bit, but SDOIT was as near-perfect as Dream Theater have gotten for me.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: nicmos on June 10, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
Disappear always leaves me bored.  Other than that, this is the most consistently amazing set of songs DT has ever put out.  I think we will look back and see it as the zenith of their career (although we can always hold out hope that DT^2 is as definitive as the band thinks it will be!)

My ranking:
SDOIT (disc 2)
Great Debate
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
Glass Prison
Disappear

I know people love Glass Prison, and it's not that it's a bad song, it's great.  It's just that the others are that good.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mosh on June 10, 2013, 10:18:22 PM
Tied with Awake for my favorite DT album, I love it. I don't think they've even come close to making an album this good since. They're experimenting on every song and there's so much variety. From the massive onslaught of riffs that is The Glass Prison to the majestic Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence this album doesn't take one dip in quality. Truly what progressive metal (and Dream Theater) is all about.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 10, 2013, 10:22:47 PM
Best.  Album.  Ever.

Only one song I don't really like.  And even though the lyrics drag that song down, the music is so outstanding that I don't even mind it.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 10, 2013, 10:24:07 PM
Best.  Album.  Ever.

Only one song I don't really like.  And even though the lyrics drag that song down, the music is so outstanding that I don't even mind it.

The Great Debate?
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
How can the best album ever have a song you don't really like? ???

Anyway, great album, yes.  It doesn't touch the Big 3 of I&W, Awake and Scenes, but it is still pretty great. 
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 10, 2013, 10:28:24 PM
Best.  Album.  Ever.

Only one song I don't really like.  And even though the lyrics drag that song down, the music is so outstanding that I don't even mind it.

To be honest, until recently I was only a casual DT fan. However since getting more and more into DT and taking a closer look at SDOIT in particular, I might just agree with you on this, bosk. The whole album is just absolutely breathtaking and I've really found myself connecting to the title track. Won't go into specifics on behalf of loved ones and what-not, but I relate to that song so much.

Quite simply, a flat-out masterpiece. :tup

The Great Debate?

Pretty sure it's Blind Faith. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: j on June 10, 2013, 10:36:37 PM
Good album.  Standout qualities are as follows:

- The first half of The Glass Prison is probably the best metal DT have done or will do (this is coming from a non-metalhead).
- Misunderstood has some of the band's best lyrics and some of their most "experimental" musical ideas.
- Disappear is pretty unique for DT as well and I think one of their most well-executed ballads.
- Blind Faith instrumental break.

Gripes:

- Something about the production sounds a little "flat" to my ears.
- Disc 2 has some issues, including but not limited to being unnecessarily long-winded.
- Similarly, The Glass Prison is drawn out several minutes too long IMO.
- Blind Faith's lyrics aren't very good.
- I'm not a huge fan of The Great Debate.

I'd place the album in the top third of DT's catalog.

-J
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 11, 2013, 12:36:27 AM
Yep, definitely the best DT album imo. :tup :tup

And one of the "big 4". ;)
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36518.msg1547252#msg1547252

To me it's their peak of songwriting. Their best metal song (TGP), their best "proggy" song (BF), possibly their best emotional ballad (Disappear), and their best epic (SDOIT). And that still leaves two great metal tracks with Misunderstood and TGD.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Zydar on June 11, 2013, 12:44:57 AM
It is a great album, on my ranking it would be #3 (behind I&W and SFAM). Side one range from great to good, but it's the 2nd side - the title track - that places it so high up for me.

My ranking of the songs would look something like this:

1. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
2. The Great Debate
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. The Glass Prison
6. Blind Faith
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 11, 2013, 02:08:53 AM
Best DT album and one they are unlikely to ever top. While I've been critical of both TGP and the title epic in the past, I just think that they are a little overrated and that basically the rest of the album is better. They are still both kick-ass songs. Blind Faith and Disappear, especially, are some of my favourite DT songs.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Simon Says on June 11, 2013, 02:44:55 AM
Blind Faith and Glass Prison would be right near the top of my favourite tracks of all time list.  There are a few too many tracks I don't really get into very much for the album itself to be one of my favourites though.  I find "Overture" in particular unlistenable.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: mellotron_scratch on June 11, 2013, 05:28:43 AM
One of my favourite DT albums. There's quite a bit of variety, something that I think is missing a little on other albums like Awake or Black Clouds. You've got the metal vibe in TGP, the experimentation and ambience of Misunderstood, the beauty of Disappear, and the symphonic brilliance of the title track. My ranking of the tracks:

1. The Glass Prison
2. 6DOIT
3. Disappear
4. The Great Debate
5. Blind Faith
6. Misunderstood

Overall, a great album.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: 425 on June 11, 2013, 07:14:46 AM
Probably my second favorite album right behind Images and Words. The Glass Prison and the title track, at minimum, are top ten material, and all the other songs are stellar. What makes this album so great is that it reflects one of my favorite aspects of Dream Theater as a whole: No song is quite like any other song. That is especially true on SDOIT, which is certainly one of DT's most experimental albums.

Ranking:
1. The Glass Prison
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
3. Misunderstood
4. Blind Faith
5. Disappear
6. The Great Debate
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: JPX on June 11, 2013, 07:47:42 AM
My favorite DT album  :metal

Glass Prison and Blind Faith are the best back to back songs on any DT album. And dat solo on Goodnight Kiss.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 11, 2013, 07:58:30 AM
Best.  Album.  Ever.

Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Implode on June 11, 2013, 08:04:15 AM
Amazing album. Sounds fresh every time I listen to it. Flips between 1st and 2nd in my rankings.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2013, 09:33:58 AM
Fantastic album.  Ranks # 3 for me behind Awake and I&W.  Very experimental on their part.  Even the songs I don't like all that much are interesting.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ? on June 11, 2013, 09:39:08 AM
Really good album, but suffers from being too long. If the title suite had been shortened to fit on the first disc, the album would be more solid. That said, disc 1 is great and I love the atmosphere and the experimental approach, which is something I'd like to see DT try again.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 11, 2013, 11:21:38 AM
I didn't like it much at first but after absorbing the material, I began to realize that it really is their best work.  Other albums come relatively close such as I&W, Awake and SFAM, but nothing has come close since the release of this masterpiece.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
Really good album, but suffers from being too long. If the title suite had been shortened to fit on the first disc, the album would be more solid. That said, disc 1 is great and I love the atmosphere and the experimental approach, which is something I'd like to see DT try again.

Agreed, all-around.  When an album is that long, it has to be great from start to finish for me to call it all-time great, and several lags prevent me from doing that (although it is still pretty damn good). 

Misunderstood is still a top 20 DT song, though, and The Glass Prison and Blind Faith are not far behind. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 11, 2013, 12:13:43 PM
Misunderstood is still a top 20 DT song, though, and The Glass Prison and Blind Faith are not far behind. :tup :tup

All three of those songs are incredible. Blind Faith could be my favorite ever...I'd do near anything to hear them play TGP with Mangini.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 11, 2013, 12:24:28 PM
My only complaint is the ending of Misunderstood.  That is what suffers from being too long, not the album as a whole.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
My only complaint is the ending of Misunderstood.  That is what suffers from being too long, not the album as a whole.

I disagree. I think the end of Misunderstood is positively awesome.  When the riff comes back in alongside that creepy keyboard melody and with the heavy breathing in the background...that is one of the best moments on the entire album.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2013, 12:28:47 PM
Breathtaking in scope, and solid in execution. I feel this was DT nailing it on all cylinders.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 11, 2013, 12:56:52 PM
My only complaint is the ending of Misunderstood.  That is what suffers from being too long, not the album as a whole.

I disagree. I think the end of Misunderstood is positively awesome.  When the riff comes back in alongside that creepy keyboard melody and with the heavy breathing in the background...that is one of the best moments on the entire album.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2013, 01:15:23 PM
My only complaint is the ending of Misunderstood.  That is what suffers from being too long, not the album as a whole.

I disagree. I think the end of Misunderstood is positively awesome.  When the riff comes back in alongside that creepy keyboard melody and with the heavy breathing in the background...that is one of the best moments on the entire album.

I have mixed feelings about it.  On one hand, I completely agree with you, Kev.  But on the other hand, in terms of pure listenability, while I still appreciate the awesomeness, I often just feel done with the song by that point and am ready to move on instead of having to listen to that extended outro.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: emtee on June 11, 2013, 01:51:50 PM
Masterpiece. The only thing I don't like is the end to Misunderstood. I skip it and move on but it's still a 10/10 album and
up there with my favorite DT works. It was on the top of my rotation for about 16 months.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Marion Crane on June 11, 2013, 02:04:40 PM
OMG the lyrics to Blind Faith are fantastic
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: philmcson on June 11, 2013, 03:06:41 PM
Yeah, it's a great album.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2013, 03:07:29 PM
OMG the lyrics to Blind Faith are fantastic

Other than this part, I agree with everything in your post.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
OMG the lyrics to Blind Faith are fantastic

Other than this part, I agree with everything in your post.
Droll, bosky.  Very droll.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
That's how I [d]roll.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2013, 04:09:13 PM
:clap:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 11, 2013, 06:41:53 PM
Amazing album. Sounds fresh every time I listen to it. Flips between 1st and 2nd in my rankings.

Definitely! I think the musical experimentation that the band did on this album has a lot to do with that. There's always something new to pick up on any of the songs on that album, and it's probably the best representation of what I personally think progressive music is all about: surprises and exploring all sorts of soundscapes.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Octawakeimages on June 11, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
Such a great album.  Just listened to it all the way through again.  So much talent in this band,  can't wait to see what they have in store for us this September!!    ;D  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 12, 2013, 01:57:47 AM
I've always viewed it as two separate albums. I love disc 1 except for Disappear because TGP is a thorough pleasure to listen to and is their signature metal opus, accept no substitutes. Blind Faith really taps into that soothing, uplifting and energetic vibe that LTE had on Universal Mind's middle section (piano break all the way through the key/axe harmony on top of MP's double bass part.) Misunderstood can be a tad boring for me but the chorus hits particularly hard coming right on the heels of the mellow verses and I really like the outro's dated harmonizer sounds. TGD is flat-out awesome. Fuck Tool. I don't care about the 46&2 comparisons, Danny Carey is the only member of that band that could even play in a DT cover band. And yes, I like them but find them badly overrated. Back to TGD, I love its intensity, buildup, and awesome solo section. I'm not gonna waste my time shitting on Disappear since I know most of y'all like it.

As for disc 2...

Overture has some ear-pleasing disneycore but is so herky jerky at times that it feels more like a rough draft. ATC has its moments so I'm kinda neutral with it. Movements 3-7 are all pretty enjoyable for me except for GK with Solitary Shell being my absolute fave from all of disc 2. I also really like the dramatic middle part to ATC reprise. GF bores me miserably and having the final minute being a single fading chord disappointed the shit out of me.

All in all, I like the album well and if I could swap Disappear for Solitary Shell and treat it as a single disc, it'd easily make my top 3 or 4.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
I've always viewed it as two separate albums.

I always find statements like this odd. Had the physical medium upon which the album was released contained ALL SIX songs on a single disc, would this still be a thought?

I mean, did people in the 60'd/70'd view double-vinyl albums as "two albums"? Did people argue "LP1 of Tommy (or The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, or Tales From Topographic Oceans, etc. etc.) was better/worse than LP2?" Some of those albums, like Tommy, now fit on to ONE CD, so does it even matter anymore?

And in the digital age, where music can be released freed of the time-constraints of the physical medium, albums can be as long or short as they want and be viewed as a whole, and single album.

I always find it silly that people view SDOIT in this way because of how it was released on 2 CDs. It's a single album, but it just HAPPENED to be on two discs. If we had 100-minute CDs, it would've been a single album. On DVD-A discs, it would all fit on one disc. It just depends on the medium.

Either way, it just amuses me is all. I mean, at least arguments regarding whether or not the title track should be considered one song hold more credence than the whole "2 'albums' because it's on two discs" thing.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 12, 2013, 03:05:00 AM
Well, it sounds like you've got it all figured out and already know what I'm thinking. Stellar psychic work, good sir :|



Despite your presumptuous diatribe, I'll indulge you with some reasons:

1. Although it has a mixture of heavy and mellow like the first disc, it's way different in its overall sound since most of the songs don't have extended instrumental sections.

2. It also has a heavy emphasis on the theatrical vibe which makes it feel almost like some kind of movie soundtrack instead of being regular DT music.

3. Disc 2 is 42 minutes. Disc 1 is 54 minutes. This basically means there's almost the same run time for both so it's not like SDoIT (song) is some fleeting anomaly the way Disappear is a short ballad in the midst of disc 1's heavier tracks. Basically, it creates a near 50/50 balance to contrast disc 1 in a similar way to how Opeth's Damnation complements Deliverance.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ? on June 12, 2013, 08:03:40 AM
TGD is flat-out awesome. Fuck Tool. I don't care about the 46&2 comparisons, Danny Carey is the only member of that band that could even play in a DT cover band. And yes, I like them but find them badly overrated. Back to TGD, I love its intensity, buildup, and awesome solo section.
Quoted for total agreement :tup I also agree on the Misunderstood chorus, it's so crushing compared to the earlier parts of the song :metal
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 12, 2013, 08:15:49 AM
*appreciates*


My absolute best Dream Theater live experience ever.   They were still doing "An Evening with Dream Theater" back then and I had front row center balcony at the Orpheum Theater in Boston.  The sound that night was incredible.  The album was brilliant and they played a ton of material from it, including the entire second disc to re-open the show after the intermission.


This album will probably always be somewhere in my top 3 from Dream Theater.   :hat
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: jdprsaga on June 12, 2013, 08:52:43 AM
Ranked #1 for me.  Listening to it right now just because of this thread  :corn

The experimentation on it it's what makes it the best, I'd love to see DT experimenting like this again. also what someone said before me, all songs are kind of different which makes it diverse and fresh.

missunderstood (what an atmosphere) -> the great debate  (great transition there); the test that stumped them all; goodnight kiss (that solo)  ->  solitary shell (another great transition here); diappear is a majestic song; all of them are superb which makes them my favorites songs in the album

I don't know if you guys will agree with me but in my opinion there is only one album compared to this one in terms of experimentation, when dream and day unite. But that one suffers from a bad production and sound quality so it makes it rank low, but lots of experimentation in there.

Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2013, 09:29:14 AM
I've always viewed it as two separate albums.

I always find statements like this odd.
Me too.

I mean, hey, whatever, if you feel that way, you feel that way.  But I don't understand it at all.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 12, 2013, 11:18:38 AM
I've always viewed it as two separate albums.

I always find statements like this odd.
Me too.

I mean, hey, whatever, if you feel that way, you feel that way.  But I don't understand it at all.

Likewise.

Ranked #1 for me.  Listening to it right now just because of this thread  :corn

The experimentation on it it's what makes it the best, I'd love to see DT experimenting like this again. also what someone said before me, all songs are kind of different which makes it diverse and fresh.

missunderstood (what an atmosphere) -> the great debate  (great transition there); the test that stumped them all; goodnight kiss (that solo)  ->  solitary shell (another great transition here); diappear is a majestic song; all of them are superb which makes them my favorites songs in the album

Yeah, I really hope the band does a lot of musical experimentation on the new album. I'm sure they could come up with all sorts of wacky surprises. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: PwnsomeWin on June 13, 2013, 10:00:58 AM
Six Degrees is great. My favorite song off of it is Disappear (Yeah, not the title track). The whole album has a big variety, from heavy songs like Glass Prison and The Test That Stumped Them All, to quiet songs Disappear and Solitary Shell.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: VincentMDO on June 13, 2013, 10:02:39 AM
Six Degrees is great. My favorite song off of it is Disappear (Yeah, not the title track). The whole album has a big variety, from heavy songs like As I Am and The Test That Stumped Them All, to quiet songs Disappear and Solitary Shell.

As I Am? LOL

But SDOIT is my #1 album.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: PwnsomeWin on June 13, 2013, 10:13:48 AM
Six Degrees is great. My favorite song off of it is Disappear (Yeah, not the title track). The whole album has a big variety, from heavy songs like As I Am and The Test That Stumped Them All, to quiet songs Disappear and Solitary Shell.

As I Am? LOL

But SDOIT is my #1 album.
OOPS LOL. I meant The Glass Prison. How did I screw that up? xD
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 13, 2013, 10:16:33 AM
Just a DT album song list GPS malfunction that's all.   :lol
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 13, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Six Degrees is great. My favorite song off of it is Disappear (Yeah, not the title track). The whole album has a big variety, from heavy songs like Glass Prison and The Test That Stumped Them All, to quiet songs Disappear and Solitary Shell.

Disappear is awesome! :biggrin: But really, so is the rest of the album~ :metal :tup
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2013, 07:06:58 PM
Top 3 album along with When Dream and Day Unite and Octavarium.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 13, 2013, 08:51:34 PM
Top 3 album along with When Dream and Day Unite and Octavarium.

Nice. :metal :tup

~

On another note, I'm getting a female friend of mine in DT and Rush these days. She's already a Pink Floyd fan, and is quickly falling for both DT and Rush. Didn't take long for me to figure out what songs to recommend her to check out from Rush, but I took my time to give the best suggestions for DT. Ended up with the following: Trial of Tears, The Dance of Eternity, Learning To Live, Breaking All Illusions, On The Backs of Angels and the entirety of the album Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :biggrin:

Prog overload, or am I doing good? :lol
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Octawakeimages on June 13, 2013, 09:11:32 PM
Top 3 album along with When Dream and Day Unite and Octavarium.

Nice. :metal :tup

~

On another note, I'm getting a female friend of mine in DT and Rush these days. She's already a Pink Floyd fan, and is quickly falling for both DT and Rush. Didn't take long for me to figure out what songs to recommend her to check out from Rush, but I took my time to give the best suggestions for DT. Ended up with the following: Trial of Tears, The Dance of Eternity, Learning To Live, Breaking All Illusions, On The Backs of Angels and the entirety of the album Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :biggrin:

Prog overload, or am I doing good? :lol

Since shes already a Pink Floyd fan, she might also like Peruvian Skies. :)
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 10, 2014, 07:58:50 PM
My favorite DT album!!!  I was an on again/off again casual fan but this album is the one that pulled me under for good (see what I did there?).   :biggrin:

These days I tend to listen the most to whatever the most recent DT album is but the old ones that get pulled off the shelf most frequently to get a spin in the CD player are this one and "Score," which is my favorite of their live releases.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 10, 2014, 09:08:47 PM
How can the best album ever have a song you don't really like? ???

Anyway, great album, yes.  It doesn't touch the Big 3 of I&W, Awake and Scenes, but it is still pretty great.

The other songs make up for it i guess (you don't have to love all songs in an album to love it).
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 10, 2014, 09:13:46 PM
SDOIT it's my favorite DT album along SFAM, then comes Images and Awake and here it is, the big 4  :tup
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Nearmyth on January 10, 2014, 09:31:42 PM
Love this album, definitely one of my favorites, but it ties with SFAM, I&W, and Awake for my favorite albums.

My ranking probably goes:

1. The Glass Prison
2. SDOIT
3. The Great Debate
4. Blind Faith
5. Misunderstood
6. Disappear

But I love all the songs to death, they're all somewhere in my top 30.

This is also probably one of Dream Theater's strangest and most diverse albums. You listen to TGP and think wow this is gonna be some heavy shit, better buckle in. Then you get to Blind Faith and you're like wait... no??? Maybe really proggy too??? Then you get to Misunderstood and you're like ok wtf is this.

And don't get me started on the second disc which, to me, sounds completely different from the first disc. This diversity only proves to me how creative Dream Theater was with this album, and a whole 96 MINUTES too! Not to mention just a year or so after SFAM, which would have been really hard to follow-up.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 10, 2014, 10:02:15 PM
My third favorite DT album, right after Images and Scenes. Not a single weak song. :metal

It runs the gamut of emotions and manages to encapsulate so much of what makes Dream Theater so great to begin with. As far as rankings go:

1. SDOIT
2. The Glass Prison
3. Misunderstood
4. Blind Faith
5. Disappear
6. The Great Debate

It almost feels wrong to have to rank them since I love them all so much.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 10, 2014, 11:39:54 PM
1. SDOIT (3, behind 8V and ACOS)
2. The Glass Prison ( Top 10)
3. The Great Debate (Top 10)
4. Blind Faith (Top 20, maybe 10)
5. Misunderstood (Top 20)
6. Disappear
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 11, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
*sees thread*

Yep, SDOIT is still definitely DT's best album. :hat
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on January 11, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
For me, this album represents DT at their creative peak. Not necessarily my favourite album of theirs but certainly one that showcases them at their best, after everything had finally fallen into place.

Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: jakepriest on January 11, 2014, 12:23:04 PM
Definitely a top 4 album. Would be higher for me if it weren't for the title track.

1. The Great Debate
2. Misunderstood
3. Blind Faith
4. The Glass Prison
5. Disappear (a pretty boring song overall, but still has some very nice melodies and I like the ending)
6. SDOIT
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Tom Bombadil on January 11, 2014, 04:45:35 PM
My 3rd favorite DT album, all the songs are excellent except the title track which I really don't like, but the other 5 songs make up for it.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 11, 2014, 05:29:33 PM
Blind Faith is probably my favorite DT song. Absolutely love it. TGP is fantastic as well....but BF stacks up against all others for me.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: LTE3 on January 12, 2014, 12:15:11 AM
If I could only have 1 DT album this is it, of course it is the longest so that helps, but musically it is the most diverse and most beautiful.  I think Six Degrees is their best epic, and the Glass Prison their best Heavy tune. Plus it is even more amazing that this was their follow up to Scenes. Seeing the Score show live watching them play Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence with the full orchestra was unbelievable. For me this is there last masterpiece  and for my money they have had 3. Images and Words, Scenes From a Memory, and Six Degrees.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: fibreoptix on January 12, 2014, 04:17:14 PM
My favourite DT album for many, many years. In fact, disc 1 shot to the top of my ranks pretty much the moment I bought it. Disc 2 took a little longer but I got there.

It sounds pretty obvious to say but for me this is DT at their most creative, especially Jordan who really made his mark in the band this time around. Every track has something to enjoy.

The Glass Prison for me seemed to usher in the truly 'heavy' side of DT that they'd never really got around to properly achieving before. I don't know if this is more a testament to how far the sonic production of albums in general had come by this point but I remember being shocked at just how heavy it was.

Blind Faith just sounds so lush and vibrant. Some lovely keyboard sounds and that piano break/lead duel is absolutely brilliant.

Misunderstood is one of my all time favourite DT songs and I sorely wish they'd do another song like this. One of the most unique songs they've written. (Stop saying songs.)

The Great Debate again features some of Jordan's finest keyboard work and Mike's drumming is not to be taken lightly either.

Disappear gave me chills for months when I first encountered this album. I usually always love James' lyrics and this set stands out as one of his best.

I don't even need to go into the second disc, it really does speak for itself.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: tofee35 on January 12, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
BEST. ALBUM. EVAH.

-Tof
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 12, 2014, 06:57:21 PM
First disc is great. The second disc is.. well... far from it. 6DOIT is my least listened to album (minus The Glass Prison and sometimes Misunderstood)... even behind WDADU / FI / BCSL.



Come at me bro.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 12, 2014, 09:29:31 PM
First disc is great. The second disc is.. well... far from it. 6DOIT is my least listened to album (minus The Glass Prison and sometimes Misunderstood)... even behind WDADU / FI / BCSL.



Come at me bro.

GTFO.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 12, 2014, 09:41:31 PM
The second disc has it's moments but it just seems.... bloated at times.

I think that is the first time I've ever used that term on DTF
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 12, 2014, 09:43:36 PM
I will repeat myself. GTFO. This is an appreciation thread, fool! :getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 12, 2014, 09:45:26 PM
I appreciate about 60% of the album (disc one and parts of two.) I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE HERE!



To be honest, once and a while I put on disc two and rock the fuck out
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 12, 2014, 09:45:51 PM
Six Degrees is my favorite DT song. :metal
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 12, 2014, 09:50:55 PM
I was just listening to the album again yesterday, and every single time I listen to it, it sounds just as fresh and amazing, and reminds me why no other DT album can touch it.
In particular, just listen to either BF or Misunderstood up until the chorus (preferably on some good headphones). Atmospheric, with such room to breathe, beautiful sounds, every band member adding to the soundscape equally, very little guitar, and just beautiful. I don't think they'd done anything quite like that before, and definitely nothing since.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 12, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
I agree ^
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2014, 04:35:19 AM
I don't think they'd done anything quite like that before, and definitely nothing since.
Yeah, they definitely experimented more on that album than on any other.  I kind of wish they would return to that kind of headspace, but I doubt it will happen again.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Sacul on January 19, 2014, 06:14:44 PM
Six Degrees is my favorite DT song. :metal
I was just listening to the album again yesterday, and every single time I listen to it, it sounds just as fresh and amazing, and reminds me why no other DT album can touch it.
In particular, just listen to either BF or Misunderstood up until the chorus (preferably on some good headphones). Atmospheric, with such room to breathe, beautiful sounds, every band member adding to the soundscape equally, very little guitar, and just beautiful. I don't think they'd done anything quite like that before, and definitely nothing since.
Brutally agree with both of you guys :metal
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 19, 2014, 06:49:26 PM
I was just listening to the album again yesterday, and every single time I listen to it, it sounds just as fresh and amazing, and reminds me why no other DT album can touch it.
In particular, just listen to either BF or Misunderstood up until the chorus (preferably on some good headphones). Atmospheric, with such room to breathe, beautiful sounds, every band member adding to the soundscape equally, very little guitar, and just beautiful. I don't think they'd done anything quite like that before, and definitely nothing since.

That's how I feel about Octavarium :P
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 20, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
I was just listening to the album again yesterday, and every single time I listen to it, it sounds just as fresh and amazing, and reminds me why no other DT album can touch it.
In particular, just listen to either BF or Misunderstood up until the chorus (preferably on some good headphones). Atmospheric, with such room to breathe, beautiful sounds, every band member adding to the soundscape equally, very little guitar, and just beautiful. I don't think they'd done anything quite like that before, and definitely nothing since.

I agree with all minus the part that says "no other DT album can touch it".
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 20, 2014, 12:35:39 PM
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. The Great Debate
4. Disappear
5. SDOIT
6. Misunderstood

Def one of their best work to date. It might replace I&W for the #1 spot for me nowadays.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Zook on January 20, 2014, 12:37:19 PM
1. The Glass Prison
2. SDOIT
3. Blind Faith
4. The Great Debate
5. Disappear
6. Misunderstood
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Zydar on January 20, 2014, 12:38:23 PM
1. SDOIT
2. The Great Debate
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. The Glass Prison
6. Blind Faith
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ? on January 20, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
1. Blind Faith
2. The Great Debate
3. The Glass Prison
4. Misunderstood
5. Disappear
6. The title-mess
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 20, 2014, 12:50:35 PM
Amazing album in pretty much every way...

1. SDOIT
2. Glass Prison
3. Blind Faith
4. The Great Debate
5. Disappear
6. Misunderstood
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: yeah_93 on January 20, 2014, 01:31:38 PM
I think it's a great album. Definitely not one of the best for me, but it still rocks. To me, each song has several nuisances that prevent them from being excellent (Over repetitive sections in TGP, solo and outro in Misunderstood) but they are otherwise outstanding. I don't care much for disc 2, though.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 20, 2014, 01:36:28 PM
I think it's a great album. Definitely not one of the best for me, but it still rocks. To me, each song has several nuisances that prevent them from being excellent (Over repetitive sections in TGP, solo and outro in Misunderstood) but they are otherwise outstanding. I don't care much for disc 2, though.

I feel like everyone has the same gripe with Misunderstood but I personally LOVE those sections. Definitely some of the most experimental stuff DT has done.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: yeah_93 on January 20, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
I think it's a great album. Definitely not one of the best for me, but it still rocks. To me, each song has several nuisances that prevent them from being excellent (Over repetitive sections in TGP, solo and outro in Misunderstood) but they are otherwise outstanding. I don't care much for disc 2, though.

I feel like everyone has the same gripe with Misunderstood but I personally LOVE those sections. Definitely some of the most experimental stuff DT has done.
Yes, but it's definitely not for everyone though.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 20, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
I think it's a great album. Definitely not one of the best for me, but it still rocks. To me, each song has several nuisances that prevent them from being excellent (Over repetitive sections in TGP, solo and outro in Misunderstood) but they are otherwise outstanding. I don't care much for disc 2, though.

I feel like everyone has the same gripe with Misunderstood but I personally LOVE those sections. Definitely some of the most experimental stuff DT has done.
Yes, but it's definitely not for everyone though.

I'll agree to that. To me it very much fits the theme of the song and feels really heavy. I don't have the words to explain very well, but I like it quite a bit.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: jakepriest on January 20, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
I think the guitar solo in Misunderstood is one of JP's best. All it took for me to love Misunderstood was remove the outro that kinda drags on. I wouldn't mind if Jordan didn't use the most annoying synth ever.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 20, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
I was just listening to the album again yesterday, and every single time I listen to it, it sounds just as fresh and amazing, and reminds me why no other DT album can touch it.
In particular, just listen to either BF or Misunderstood up until the chorus (preferably on some good headphones). Atmospheric, with such room to breathe, beautiful sounds, every band member adding to the soundscape equally, very little guitar, and just beautiful. I don't think they'd done anything quite like that before, and definitely nothing since.

I agree with all minus the part that says "no other DT album can touch it".

As long as you acknowledge that it's an amazing album, we can still be friends. :biggrin:

If we're ranking songs-

1. TGP
1. SDOIT
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. The Great Debate
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: fibreoptix on January 21, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
1. Misunderstood
2. Disappear
3. SDOIT
4. Blind Faith
5. Glass Prison
6. The Great Debate

I think.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 21, 2014, 05:21:42 PM
SDOIT
Disappear
The Great Debate
The Glass Prison
Misunderstood
Blind Faith
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: adastra on January 23, 2014, 06:20:51 AM
1 The Great Debate
2 Misunderstood
3 Disappear
4 The Glass Prison
5 SDOIT  ( I'm not that big fan of this filler  :-\)
6 Blind Faith
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: LTE3 on January 26, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
The second disc has it's moments but it just seems.... bloated at times.

I think that is the first time I've ever used that term on DTF

You're bloated. :rollin Kidding of course, but I will just agree to disagree with every ounce of my bloated self, plus it is an appreciation thread.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 29, 2014, 08:01:37 AM
Calling the title track filler...:lol  Hilarious!

1. SDOIT
2. Blind Faith
3. TGP
4. Misunderstood
5. TGD
6. Disappear
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 29, 2014, 08:14:20 AM
Well, it sounds like you've got it all figured out and already know what I'm thinking. Stellar psychic work, good sir :|



Despite your presumptuous diatribe, I'll indulge you with some reasons:

1. Although it has a mixture of heavy and mellow like the first disc, it's way different in its overall sound since most of the songs don't have extended instrumental sections.

2. It also has a heavy emphasis on the theatrical vibe which makes it feel almost like some kind of movie soundtrack instead of being regular DT music.

3. Disc 2 is 42 minutes. Disc 1 is 54 minutes. This basically means there's almost the same run time for both so it's not like SDoIT (song) is some fleeting anomaly the way Disappear is a short ballad in the midst of disc 1's heavier tracks. Basically, it creates a near 50/50 balance to contrast disc 1 in a similar way to how Opeth's Damnation complements Deliverance.


hmmm....I've never thought of it this way, but now that I see it in writing I think that structurally speaking the comparison to Damnation/Deliverance by Opeth is quite interesting.


As for my opinion on this album I go back and forth between this one and I&W as my favorites.  The only things holding this back from complete perfection are the fake orchestral opening of the second disc and I think the second disc could have done with some trimming as well, but those are pretty minor gripes.



Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2014, 08:31:46 AM
As for my opinion on this album I go back and forth between this one and I&W as my favorites.  The only things holding this back from complete perfection are the fake orchestral opening of the second disc and I think the second disc could have done with some trimming as well, but those are pretty minor gripes.

I'm a big Disc 1 guy and I've never been crazy about Disc 2. Although Disc 2 is generally enjoyable, there is really no part where I go.."Holy shit, that was awesome!".
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Sacul on January 29, 2014, 08:40:11 AM
Calling the title track filler...:lol  Blasphemy!
Fixed.

-SDOIT

- Misunderstood
- The Great Debate
- Disappear

- Blind Faith







- The Glass Prison
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: adastra on February 03, 2014, 05:33:24 AM
Funny thing is that how good this album sounds compared to DT12 ! 
I can't understand that they got this good sounding album out over 10 yrs ago, but DT12 came couple of months ago and it sounds like shit.

hmm... Think about SDOIT with DT12 sounds... That would be kinda funny to hear!
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: puppyonacid on February 03, 2014, 06:52:38 AM
I agree that six degrees is a great album.

I love the production. It's nice and pristine. Everything is clear and yet it's still in yer face in the right places.

They got a nice blend with the song writing between experimenting but keeping hold of that DT sound.

SDOIT tails off somewhat for me after solitary shell. But I forgive that because the whole thing ends so Majestically. It really does. I don't think they ever ended an album so well.

Ahem..........Overture is still a mess though :-|
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: sylvinception on February 06, 2014, 04:47:17 AM
One of my top 3!! :metal

Songs ranking:

1 - The Great Debate
2 - SDOIT
3 - Misunderstood
4 - The Glass Prison
5 - Blind Faith
6 - Disappear
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: nicmos on February 07, 2014, 08:10:39 PM
Ahem..........Overture is still a mess though :-|



  The only things holding this back from complete perfection are the fake orchestral opening of the second disc



I agree with both of these.  but you know, despite that, SDOIT is still my favorite DT song.  that's how good it is.

But for a long time, that synth orchestra opening turned me off and I didn't give it a chance.  it's funny to think about now in retrospect.  I think even with just changing the synth sounds it would improve the overture a lot.

Bottom line though, it's close to perfection.  when in a thousand years I want to hold up how good turn-of-the-millenium music could be, this is what I would play for someone.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Laughingplace56 on February 07, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
Ahem..........Overture is still a mess though :-|



  The only things holding this back from complete perfection are the fake orchestral opening of the second disc



I agree with both of these.  but you know, despite that, SDOIT is still my favorite DT song.  that's how good it is.

But for a long time, that synth orchestra opening turned me off and I didn't give it a chance.  it's funny to think about now in retrospect.  I think even with just changing the synth sounds it would improve the overture a lot.

Bottom line though, it's close to perfection.  when in a thousand years I want to hold up how good turn-of-the-millenium music could be, this is what I would play for someone.

I really can't comprehend how anyone can think the Overture of SDOIT is a mess or crappy. It features the themes of the rest of the song and its awesome and I don't get it  :lol

This is battling with SFAM for my favorite album. They're both perfect masterpieces and I love every second of both (yes, even Misunderstood's outro). My rankings for the album:

1. The. Glass. Prison. On a near perfect album, this song still stands WAY out above everyone else. Fucking  :metal :metal



2. Blind Faith
3. The Great Debate
4. Six Degrees
5. Misunderstood
6. Disappear
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Saxman on February 07, 2014, 10:39:31 PM


1. The. Glass. Prison. On a near perfect album, this song still stands WAY out above everyone else. Fucking  :metal :metal



2. Blind Faith
3. The Great Debate
4. Six Degrees
5. Misunderstood
6. Disappear

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 08, 2014, 04:38:33 AM
What the hell.

1.  The Glass Prison
2.  Blind Faith
3.  Disappear
4.  Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence


5.  Misunderstood



6.  The Great Debate
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2014, 04:44:30 AM
I'll give it a go.

1.  Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2.  The Glass Prison
3.  Blind Faith
4.  The Great Debate
5.  Misunderstood
6.  Disappear






6.  The Great Debate
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Invisible on February 12, 2014, 07:02:35 AM
One the Big Five(along with I&W, Awake, FII and Scenes), so yes, a lot of respect for this monster. It took me like three years to actually like it, I couldn't even listen to it for a long time, but then my guitar teacher told me to give it another spin, and when I did, I was like :omg: where have you been all my life?!?!. Awesome album from start to finish.

My personal ranking changes every day but right now it would be:

1. The Great Debate (yes, it's my favourite right now, deal with it :coolio)
2. The title monster
3. Blind Faith
4. Dissapear
5. The Glass Prison
6. Misunderstood

But it could turn completely upside down any day, any time, they are all so perfect.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 24, 2020, 09:00:10 PM
Been the better part of a decade since I posted in this thread... which I completely forgot I started :lol

Anywho, I figured I should bump it up. Listened to Six Degrees for the first time in awhile (I've been on a Kevin Moore-era phase for a few years) and I was taken aback by how much I still really love this album. It's really hard for me to pick between Six Degrees and Awake as the band's best album.

Also The Glass Prison is still a monster of an album opener. Takes guts for a band to open up with an almost fourteen minute long prog epic, but God it's such a great start to an incredible album. The Six Degrees suite really holds up well too, especially Solitary Shell. The only song that I'm not sure holds up as well as it used to lyrically is The Great Debate, but musically it's solid as hell.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 25, 2020, 02:15:00 PM
This album is pretty well permanently entrenched as my #3 DT album.  I usually refer to I&W, SFAM and SDOIT as my top 3, but I can't see SOIT ever passing the other two.  That's primarily because it has two of DT's worst songs ever (TGD and Disappear).

I'm a disc 2 guy.  It blew me away right from the start, so I listened to it constantly and didn't spend much time on disc 1.  It took about 5 years before I really got into Blind Faith and Misunderstood (and, to a lesser extent, TGP).

If they had dumped TGD and Disappear, this could have been a near-perfect single disc album.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: ytserush on May 25, 2020, 04:06:40 PM
Top 3 album along with When Dream and Day Unite and Octavarium.

It may have even gotten better with age.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2020, 09:36:29 PM
Top 3 album along with When Dream and Day Unite and Octavarium.

It may have even gotten better with age.

It's an incredible album for sure. Hard to comprehend that it's getting close to being twenty years old!
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2020, 09:47:59 PM

 The only song that I'm not sure holds up as well as it used to lyrically is The Great Debate, but musically it's solid as hell.

I still think The Great Debate could have used a little bit better chorus, and that the meat of the song isn't as great as the intro (which is two of the best minutes of the entire album, IMO), but I wouldn't want to cut it from the album.  The transition and flow from the end of the Misunderstood to that intro in The Great Debate is masterful.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2020, 10:12:47 PM

 The only song that I'm not sure holds up as well as it used to lyrically is The Great Debate, but musically it's solid as hell.

I still think The Great Debate could have used a little bit better chorus, and that the meat of the song isn't as great as the intro (which is two of the best minutes of the entire album, IMO), but I wouldn't want to cut it from the album.  The transition and flow from the end of the Misunderstood to that intro in The Great Debate is masterful.

Oh don't get me wrong, I still love the song! I guess my point is that it feels like its relevancy's changed a lot overtime?
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Trav86 on May 26, 2020, 07:10:11 AM
I agree with all of this, but I'll say that it used to be my favorite on the record, but it no longer is. The intro and that solo/instrumental climax are still a joy to listen to.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Lax on May 27, 2020, 01:10:56 AM
This album is my top 1 ex aequo with MPT2 scenes, I can't decide between those two because they are both masterpieces, and very different !

1 six degrees of inner turbulence : Epic intro, a rollercoaster of ups and downs, especially between goodnight kiss and solitary shell which gives me huge chills every time ! There are some weaknesses but the song is super long !

2 the glass prison : DT can't do metal, and then TGP hits and jaws fell to the ground! It's all that I love, fast paced rythms and headbangers that pushes you in the back like a truck :D

3 blind faith : Probably my favorite of the album, rudess sounds are fantastic, the chorus riff makes me think of type o negative, the bridge with piano is touching me, the solos are so crazy (great unisons) and rock n roll, and then the song fades with subtility as it began...

4 At first, I wasn't fond of this one, but the emotion is real and the chorus is damn efficient after a calm verse and nice buildup

5 the great debate : another ultra proggy one, I like how it starts building up, the prechorus, the heroic chorus, and bridge and solo are HUGE and a feast for the ears. Great unisons.

6 disappear : I like this song, but it's heart ripping, it sounds so sad and the keyboard big sound sounds so twisted, sometimes too much is too much :D
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2020, 03:31:31 PM

 The only song that I'm not sure holds up as well as it used to lyrically is The Great Debate, but musically it's solid as hell.

I still think The Great Debate could have used a little bit better chorus, and that the meat of the song isn't as great as the intro (which is two of the best minutes of the entire album, IMO), but I wouldn't want to cut it from the album.  The transition and flow from the end of the Misunderstood to that intro in The Great Debate is masterful.

Oh don't get me wrong, I still love the song! I guess my point is that it feels like its relevancy's changed a lot overtime?

Perhaps, but that kind of stuff usually does not bother me.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: tofee35 on June 22, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Blind Faith is still my favorite DT song. The build up to "...and still life pushes on, with or without you...". Then the mayhem of the solos leading to Jordan's piano break. Portnoy's tastiest drumming is on display in this one; the Carter Beauford-esque hi hat work, the slight variations from verse to verse and chorus to chorus. Petrucci's tooooooone. Maaan. good stuff. What a song.

-Tof
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: lovethedrake on June 23, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
Top 3 album for me.

SFAM
I&W
SDOIT

Then there is a massive dropoff to album #4.   I still love a ton of the albums after my top 3 and there isn't a DT album I don't at least like in some aspect.  However, these 3 are what I consider to be the "big 3".   All incredible albums.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Northern Lion on June 25, 2020, 03:42:05 PM
Count me in the group who still really likes The Great Debate.  And I also really like Disappear.  It's sad and haunting with some stellar lyrics by Labrie.  I like it so much in fact that I found a piano trascription of it so my wife could play it on her piano.

This album is still in my top 3 along with Scenes and The Astonishing(which sometimes flips with ADToE).
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 25, 2020, 10:14:57 PM
I just spun this one the other night! It still holds up for me, and I probably still consider it my favorite DT album. This is an album that hits all the high points of what makes a good Dream Theater album - you've got heavy metal, acoustic moments, piano ballads, technical stuff, everything the band were known for up to that point, and all blended together into six pieces that exemplify their talents.

Following the wildly successful SFAM, I'm sure it was difficult for the band, and the fans, to think they could top Scenes, but IMO, they made an album just as good, if not better. Both SDOIT and SFAM always battle for my top spot, but most of the time, SDOIT will win, but really, it's probably a 9.9 vs 9.8 kind of situation.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 26, 2020, 05:56:59 AM
I just spun this one the other night! It still holds up for me, and I probably still consider it my favorite DT album. This is an album that hits all the high points of what makes a good Dream Theater album - you've got heavy metal, acoustic moments, piano ballads, technical stuff, everything the band were known for up to that point, and all blended together into six pieces that exemplify their talents.

Following the wildly successful SFAM, I'm sure it was difficult for the band, and the fans, to think they could top Scenes, but IMO, they made an album just as good, if not better. Both SDOIT and SFAM always battle for my top spot, but most of the time, SDOIT will win, but really, it's probably a 9.9 vs 9.8 kind of situation.

-Marc.

This!!
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
Blind Faith is one of the songs I still want to see live and one that is likely they'll play.

I went to lookup my top 50 list from the old thread, to see where I ranked Blind Faith. This is what I said about it...

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37. Blind Faith

   JM's bass intro is the perfect intro for this tune. It sets that world feeling they originally wanted this album to head into, then the pantera show inspiration hits. This is one song I wish JLB had really put effort into the vocals. According to LS, if I remember correctly, JLB didn't really show up for SDOIT and it shows. Although it is my favorite album, as the entire session vibe is captured. JM's Bass groove in the instrumental is what I miss from JM. I'm glad, we got something similar with BAI, this is the song they got inspired to write the latter's instrumental.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 26, 2020, 02:22:34 PM
37. Blind Faith

   JM's bass intro is the perfect intro for this tune. It sets that world feeling they originally wanted this album to head into, then the pantera show inspiration hits. This is one song I wish JLB had really put effort into the vocals. According to LS, if I remember correctly, JLB didn't really show up for SDOIT and it shows. Although it is my favorite album, as the entire session vibe is captured. JM's Bass groove in the instrumental is what I miss from JM. I'm glad, we got something similar with BAI, this is the song they got inspired to write the latter's instrumental.
[/quote]

I could be wrong, but I believe what LS (assuming you're talking about the Lifting Shadows book) says is that he wasn't really present for the writing process and the recording of the music (i.e., he didn't really show up until it was time to record the vocals).  As a result, SDOIT is the first DT album where the music is credited to the four instrumentalists rather than "Dream Theater."  But I'd say his overall performance on the album was top notch.  Blind Faith isn't a particularly challenging song vocally,** but that's not on James.  He's on fire for Misunderstood and most of the title track.

** - It's also not particularly challenging on bass.  How do I know that?  Because I can play it!
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Indiscipline on June 26, 2020, 02:55:29 PM
IMO, James is fantastic on SDOIT ... when he's given vocal lines playing to his strengths: Misunderstood and Disappear on one side, 4/6 of the title track on the other (and he manages to shine even on the 2 songs designed for a Phil Anselmo kind of vocalist). On the other tracks his voice is either experimented on / penalised in the mix (TGP, BF) or not fully exploited because he's not John Maynard Keynes (TGD).

I'm all for experimentation or inspiration corners (in reasonable doses), but human voice is a bit harder to fock around with than inanimate instruments' tone and phrasing.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
His vocals don't bother me much, it was just wondering the input he could've put into the vocals had he been there more is all.

SDOIT is my favorite album for a reason, and JLB's vocals are a part of that reason.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 26, 2020, 03:47:14 PM
IMO, James is fantastic on SDOIT ... when he's given vocal lines playing to his strengths: Misunderstood and Disappear on one side, 4/6 of the title track on the other (and he manages to shine even on the 2 songs designed for a Phil Anselmo kind of vocalist). On the other tracks his voice is either experimented on / penalised in the mix (TGP, BF) or not fully exploited because he's not John Maynard Keynes (TGD).

I'm sorry, what?!  While Keynes was one of Time magazine's Most Important People of the [20th] Century, why would being an early 20th Century British economist have been of any benefit to JLB?   :lol
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Indiscipline on June 26, 2020, 03:52:22 PM
 :facepalm: :rollin

I swear I meant John Maynard Keenan, and my brain autonomously switched files  :D
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 26, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
:facepalm: :rollin

I swear I meant John Maynard Keenan, and my brain autonomously switched files  :D

I'll laugh anyway, even though I don't know who that is.   :rollin
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 26, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
I think he actually meant Maynard James Keenan.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Indiscipline on June 26, 2020, 04:18:49 PM
Yes, that one!  :lol

I will quietly exit the thread now

I need a drink.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 26, 2020, 04:20:10 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Trav86 on June 26, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
IMO, James is fantastic on SDOIT ... when he's given vocal lines playing to his strengths: Misunderstood and Disappear on one side, 4/6 of the title track on the other (and he manages to shine even on the 2 songs designed for a Phil Anselmo kind of vocalist). On the other tracks his voice is either experimented on / penalised in the mix (TGP, BF) or not fully exploited because he's not John Maynard Keynes (TGD).

I'm all for experimentation or inspiration corners (in reasonable doses), but human voice is a bit harder to fock around with than inanimate instruments' tone and phrasing.

I agree with this. I don’t know if we’re on the same page with the title track, but I imagine so. I think the best parts are ATC 1&2, GK and SS. James shines on those, and therefore they work well as a whole unit.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: lovethedrake on June 26, 2020, 08:09:50 PM
IMO, Six Degrees is James’ finest hour. That was his peak vocally.

He started to lose it a little bit on Train of Thought imo.

Part of that(actually most of that)  was just his vocal style changing to a more metal approach and the band thinning out the vocal production to be more metal and modern sounding but his vocals on the album of six degrees and the tour of six degrees were amazing.

Quick run down for me:

Images - brilliant but soft register a little breathy

Awake- some great some a little cringy

Change of seasons- all brilliant

FII - pretty much brilliant but some of the songs ruin it

SFAM- great performance from James but he easily tops it on SDOIT,  though Sfam is my favorite DT album.

Sdoit - perfection

TOT is the first album where I actually got annoyed by some of vocals by James.   For me this continued all the way through ADTOE.  James has returned to form on the the last 3 albums, just without the crazy high register due to age.

 


Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: TAC on June 26, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
I don't know man. I think ToT is that way because that was what was asked of him.


He's practically perfect on SC and BC&SL. Especially the BC&SL cover disc.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Volante99 on June 26, 2020, 11:17:04 PM
I thought about this for awhile, and I actually agree that SDOIT is James’ finest hour.

His voice sounds fuller, stronger here than on FII and SFaM.

Obviously not as technically impressive as I&W and Awake, but I’d argue some of the vocal acrobatics hindered the songs in places rather than helped, especially on Awake.

Basically, SDoIT LaBrie gets to show off his full range without being showy.

I’ll also say a BIG part of it is that the vocals are produced very well in SDoIT. Not too dry, but also not drenched in reverb or other effects processing. Mike and JP did a good job helping JLB sound his best on that album.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: lovethedrake on June 27, 2020, 05:02:04 AM
I don't know man. I think ToT is that way because that was what was asked of him.


He's practically perfect on SC and BC&SL. Especially the BC&SL cover disc.

He does sound great on the cover disc.... I remember being so frustrated by that because it was clear he could still sing but they were using him in a way that I really disliked.   

His mid 2000’s run may very well have just been wasted by the band(for my tastes) trying to sound modern and keep up with the times.  I wish they just let James be James.
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: hunnus2000 on June 27, 2020, 08:37:28 AM

Quick run down for me:

Images - brilliant but soft register a little breathy


Images - soft register? Really?  :\
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 27, 2020, 03:08:29 PM
I think he actually meant Maynard James Keenan.  :biggrin:

Still don't know who that is....
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Indiscipline on June 27, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
The singer form Tool

*checks for typos or brain farts*

*double checks*

Yeah, Tool it is.

 :D
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
The singer form Tool

*checks for typos or brain farts*

*double checks*


 :D


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: Indiscipline on June 27, 2020, 04:38:35 PM
Bloody focking hell ...

I'm not even gonna edit that  :lol
Title: Re: The 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (album)' Appreciation Thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 27, 2020, 05:45:40 PM
The singer form Tool

*checks for typos or brain farts*

*double checks*

Yeah, Tool it is.

 :D

That explains it.   ;D