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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Super Dude on July 25, 2009, 10:38:18 PM
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I wholeheartedly believe this series is worthy of its own discussion thread. The first videogame I ever owned was Ocarina of Time, and to this day, the series remains a personal favorite. I absorb it all: the games, the manga, the music, all (and part of me wishes there was a Zelda anime).
So who else is a fan? :)
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the games, the manga, the music, all (and part of me wishes there was a Zelda anime)
Incredible series of games. I have yet to play a Zelda game I didn't enjoy immensly, despite the over-used formula. (Note: I have not played The Adventure of Link)
In fact, I think I'll start a new file on Twilight Princess tomorrow :laugh:
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I've played all of them except for Phantom Hourglass (out of the main series of course), and I have no plans to play Spirit Tracks. Unfortunately Adventure of Link kinda sucked, because it had such a huge emphasis on stats building. You can't really get anywhere unless Link is at an unnecessarily high level, which is frustratingly difficult to achieve with weak monsters and few means by which to heal yourself.
Out of all the Zelda games I've played, I've probably only beaten half of them:
Legend of Zelda
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
The Minish Cap
Twilight Princess
I got *oh-so-close* with the Oracle series and Wind Wanker.
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I've recently bought and played through Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, and much enjoyed them both. Ocarina of Time still remains my favourite game of all time though. I still don't like Majora's Mask though. I've played through part of A Link to the Past, and that's been ok so far.
Twilight Princess was really good, but my main problem with it was that many of the items were almost useless outside of the dungeons, and the music was just nothing. But it was still a really good Zelda game with a dark atmosphere and a lot of nice innovations, like the double hookshot.
Wind Waker was a really good game, and the dungeon design was probably a bit better than Twilight Princess, but the game was way too short and far too much of the game was just sailing. I was expecting the triforce quest to be some break before doing another 4 dungeons, but that was it. The entire last 3rd of the game was sailing. WTF there.
And Majora's Mask lost me with the whole 3 day cycle thing, and it felt very recycled, but I want to play it through some day anyway.
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Twilight Princess
3. Wind Waker
4. Majora's Mask
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I'd have to say OoT and TTP are probably the best in the series, and that's probably cuz (1) they're the games that took themselves the most seriously, and (2) they have the most epic feel to them. Nothing really says adventure like having all of Hyrule to explore with dozens of regions and provinces, and being able to do it on horseback.
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OoT is the greatest single player video game ever. nuff said.
I kind of abandoned my Windwaker game, but will probably get back up on the horse again, especially once winter comes around.
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I recently went on a %100 attempt spree (getting all hearts, items, upgrades, bottles, gold skulltulas/fairies/medallions).
I've beaten all the Legend of Zeldas except for Phantom Hourglass and my %100 completion list so far is:
Legend of Zelda
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages
I'm still working through Majora's Mask. It's that damn heart piece that you need to deposit like 1000 rupees in the bank to get.
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That's crazy. I feel like the original LoZ and the Oracle games would be impossible to complete 100%.
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The most emotional moment in ANY video game for me has been watching the sun go down over Hyrule Lake (in TTP). One of the best games I've ever played, if not THE best. :heart
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I've recently bought and played through Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, and much enjoyed them both. Ocarina of Time still remains my favourite game of all time though. I still don't like Majora's Mask though. I've played through part of A Link to the Past, and that's been ok so far.
Twilight Princess was really good, but my main problem with it was that many of the items were almost useless outside of the dungeons, and the music was just nothing. But it was still a really good Zelda game with a dark atmosphere and a lot of nice innovations, like the double hookshot.
Wind Waker was a really good game, and the dungeon design was probably a bit better than Twilight Princess, but the game was way too short and far too much of the game was just sailing. I was expecting the triforce quest to be some break before doing another 4 dungeons, but that was it. The entire last 3rd of the game was sailing. WTF there.
And Majora's Mask lost me with the whole 3 day cycle thing, and it felt very recycled, but I want to play it through some day anyway.
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Twilight Princess
3. Wind Waker
4. Majora's Mask
Lol, Majora's Mask is only 4 dungeons.
5 technically, there are 5 main bosses. But I won't get into that.
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Everyone knows that though...
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I've played Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Majora's Mask.
Ocarina of Time is the only one that I enjoyed and have completed. I have completed it several times though :hat
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I have very fond memories of playing Link's Awakening on my old Gameboy and beating it on my own with no help. One of my prouder gaming moments when I was young.
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The Legend of Zelda is my favorite game series. I love these games to death. Both the 2d and the 3d games are awesome.
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There was a Zelda anime, wasn't there?
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There was a Zelda anime, wasn't there?
Yea. Although it's probably really bad :p.
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I don't really consider it anime because 1) it was American-made, and 2) it used American-style animation. So no, there hasn't been an anime series yet. But indeed, the cartoon sucked. Everything that was bad about Saturday morning cartoons in the 80s (not to say they were bad, but the things that were bad about them), compiled into one piece-o'-shit toon.
There is a pretty entertaining fan-made anime series online though called Zelda: Unknown Origins. It's a nice twist on the old story, and it features a lot of Naruto-style combat.
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Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are two of my favorite games ever.
The latter especially is so interesting because of all the possibilities it offers within the three day framework. For example, the Kafei side quest where, depending on what you do each day, you earn different items, masks and change the course of their relationship.
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I feel like a lot of people don't even realize how dark a storyline that game has. I mean sure there's that whole "impending doom in 3 days" bit, but there's like this intangible, inexplicable third level that I sorta figured out from observing the lives of the Terminans. The fact that all these people's lives are in collective shambles in this game and the fact that the end is nigh are no mere coincidence.
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Here's a good read on the game for those interested: https://www.edge-online.com/magazine/time-extend-zelda-majoras-mask
My favorite paragraph:
However, for most, what they remember of Majora is its people. The repeating cycle of three days and three nights allows the game to introduce you to the citizens of Termina in an organic and believable way. Rather than being met by lumps of text or awkward speeches, you find out about people by seeing how they live, meeting them as they circle again and again through the last few days of their lives. Even the most incidental characters – the town guards and the officious Deku traders – let slip little human details which add enormous emotional weight to the game. And, as Link does his rounds, his place in the gameworld changes. At the start, you are the very definition of an outsider, wandering lost and wordless around a strange and uncaring town. By the end, you are privy to everyone’s most personal secrets. You know what they’re going to do next even before they’ve decided for themselves. Saving the world is the easy bit. You’ve done that in nearly every videogame you’ve ever played. In Majora’s Mask you save the world by saving the world’s people, one flawed, fragile and fascinating person at a time.
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That was a good article, actually. Persuaded me to watch the perfect ending again.
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Majora's mask is the only 3D zelda that I never finished. I might need to start again when I come back from vacation :metal.
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Unfortunately, I haven't had time to play too many video games over the past couple of years, but this series is one I'll always MAKE time for. Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, A Link to the Past, and the original Legend of Zelda are all among the best games of all time. However, I have enjoyed all of the other games in the series as well.
Interesting and true posts about Majora's Mask by Super Dude and TheOutlawXanadu. I always got a strange, eerie, ominous vibe from that game, and I think it was probably due to observing the people as they faced their certain and impending end.
-J
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I've had the urge to play through OOT and MM again. I've played OOT so many damn times (especially the last encounter with Gannondorf/Ganon) but it just never gets old. It's one of those N64 games in which even after playing modern games the control scheme still feels natural.
As for Majora's Mask, I only played through it once and I was fairly young. I really remember loving it though. It was an incredibly dark game (that Edge article was really good).
I have Wind Waker and I've played about 1/5th of the game but as of now I have no means of playing it (Gamecube is at another house, don't have the classic controller for Wii).
I could never get into the 2D Zeldas. I don't know if it was just a factor of how young I was at the time or what but they just confused me more than anything.
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I've played Ocarina, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess. The only one I've actually finished is Wind Waker. And I hated Majora's mask. The three day thing annoyed me to no end.
I'm not the biggest fan. I have lots of respect for the series but they haven't really ever been my cup of tea. If I'm going to play a RPG I'd rather play a Final Fantasy.
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I've only played and beaten Link's Awakening. I really liked that game, and actually beat it a few times.
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Damn, I remember playing Link's awakening for the first time, that game was the shit back on my Gameboy Colour (deluxe edition anyone? Bomb arrows anyone?). Remember the cave you could find, and grab either the red or blue tunic? Flame/Water resistance, or something the like. I'll have to go find a used copy of it sometime. My only complaint, after playing LttP, is that they based it on an inferiour 2D engine. Obviously they couldn't put that engine on the GBC, but I wish they'd do a remake for the DS.
In any case, from what I remember Link's awakening was one of the quikier games. The beginning involved being turned into a racoon, having to find a mushroom to cure yourself, and gathering 8 musical instruments in order to serenade the *snip*. Makes me want to play again, talking about it :D
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Everyone knows that though...
Wow, way to be an ass.
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...Except that it's true? It's fairly obvious that the Moon's the 5th.
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Or, the point I was trying to make was that if he disliked Wind Waker for being so short, he may feel the same about Majora's Mask.
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Ocarina of Time was on the N64, so I must have been pretty young. My brother bought it, and I thought it was a really cool game, but i found it so hard, i'd do a bit, then get stuck for ages, then come online and look up how to do it, then go on to the next bit, do some, get stuck and repeat it! :lol
I'd love to re-play it now and see if i find it any easier. Sadly he gave away the N64. Massive mistake considering he owned Banjo- Kazooie and i always wanted to replay that game!
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I've beaten Minish Cap, both Oracles (and the special extra ending thing), OoT, MM, Awakening, and Wind Waker. I've gotten *very* close to beating Link to the Past (I was in the last level). I've never beaten Twilight Princess because I don't have a Wii, and even if I could find the GCN version my Gamecube doesn't work. Never beat either of the NES ones though >.>
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I've had the urge to play through OOT and MM again. I've played OOT so many damn times (especially the last encounter with Gannondorf/Ganon) but it just never gets old. It's one of those N64 games in which even after playing modern games the control scheme still feels natural.
That's true, but if you think about it, the N64 kind of *started* the whole "modern control scheme" that has been used by most consoles since, up until the Wii.
I'm not the biggest fan. I have lots of respect for the series but they haven't really ever been my cup of tea. If I'm going to play a RPG I'd rather play a Final Fantasy.
To each his own (my brother plays a ton of video games but just can't get into the Zelda series), but I've never considered Zelda games RPGs in any sense.
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It's fair to say that playing the Legend of Zelda on the NES back when I was a kid helped get me in to console video gaming. Like most of my other friends, I was really in to arcade games and remember going to the local laundrymat to play Mario Bros. (no, not Super Mario Bros, I mean just Mario Bros.)
Adventure of Link – Felt more linear (Go to point, A, get object 1, go to point B, etc…) I played through most of this game recently and it just didn’t feel like a Zelda game
Ocarina of Time = I can’t praise this game in any way that hasn’t already been done. This game has the best balance between the primary and the side quests.
When I first played Majora's Mask, I found it really hard to get going. Only when I revisited it later on did I realize that was sort of the point: To get immersed in the MM world before embarking on Link's quest. The 3-Day aspect didn't bother me, and the dungeons were awesome. My only complaint, and it is pretty significant, is that I found many aspects of the game to not be intuitive at all.
I was fairly disappointed in Wind Waker, I felt like I was just going around from one place to another, without really understanding or getting in to the quest. I didn’t like the story, but that didn’t bother me. When I got to Ganondorf, I did have a feeling that “This is it?”
I’ve really been wanting to play Twilight Princess but haven’t felt like investing in a Wii.
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Eh, I don't like the Zelda games too much. I usually need walkthroughs to get past the exploration aspect, and at that point I just stop caring.
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I’ve really been wanting to play Twilight Princess but haven’t felt like investing in a Wii.
If you still have a Gamecube you could play it on that, since it's essentially a gamecube game with Wii controls tacked on.
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Love Zelda...been a fan basically my whole life.
Zelda : Link to the Past is the GREATEST game ever.
Twilight Princess is a close close Second
Ocarina of Time was Innovative like Crazy
Wind Waker was cute lol
Haven't played the rest although I did own Zelda II for NES which stunk and The first I just haven't gotten around to ever playing it.
Majoras Mask looked retarded when it came out and I never went for it...although my friends say its amazing.
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How can all of you not Mention Link to the Past...It was Ocarina of time but 2d...Way better also.
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Freekin OoT i can never get all the golden Skulltulas. it pisses me off too lmao. after becoming adult link and realizing that im missing a few it a pain to go back and look through EVERY freekin dungeon asduiofhaspioudf ARG..
still greatest game of all time.
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What's with all the MM hate in this thread? It's the best in the series.
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I really enjoy these games. One I haven't played in, like, forever (due to the fact that we lost them...) was Oracle of Ages/Seasons. Good games. I should try to find new copies...
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What's with all the MM hate in this thread? It's the best in the series.
I dunno about best, but it's fucking awesome.
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What's with all the MM hate in this thread? It's the best in the series.
I wouldn't say it's the best, but in terms of the fan base, it's the most overrated in the series by a large margin. There were parts that were great, but after I beat the game once (with the awesome Fierce Deity's mask), I can never manage to play through it again. I'll get to the swamp and remember that the game is ultimately an unrewarding experience.
The game has the best side quests in the series, but the whole game really feels like one big side quest. For the most part, the graphics and NPCs were taken straight out of Ocarina of Time, admittedly by Miyamoto, who wanted a Zelda game that could be released in a single year (after Ocarina).
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Yeah I dunno, MM was pretty good, but it always seemed like just an OoT expansion pack to me.
Ultimately I'd have to say OoT and TTP are the best Zelda games I've ever played, because they've best captured the idea of an epic adventure.
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Yeah, MM just perfected the flaws OoT had IMO. Everything seems so intuitive, and Stone temple is the best temple nintendo has ever done.
But basically it is a expansion pack, but like I said earlier, it perfected it, had a deep story (as opposed to "save the princess! ganondorf is gonna rape her lol!) crappy story that zelda usually has, some new gameplay, like masks and how you manage your time.
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Well idk, what flaws do you refer to? The only thing that pissed me off about OoT personally was the Water Temple. :P
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:lol yeah, the water temple was one of them, and not being able to assign the iron boots to a c button, which they "fixed" with allowing you to assign the masks to c.
but I'll have to play through again to make a list.
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I got the forthcoming idea from a podcast I used to listen to:
What if we got a group of people and all played OoT together? Like "Play up to X by the end of the week" and then we'd discuss on the forums. Just a thought..I think it would be fun!
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When I have access to a Gamecube and a copy of OoT: Master Quest, which is not very often, then yes. Unfortunately I'm not in proximity of OoT enough to do that.
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Yeah, MM just perfected the flaws OoT had IMO. Everything seems so intuitive, and Stone temple is the best temple nintendo has ever done.
MM's ending sucked like no other game has! And you must be confused, the best temple of them all is the Shadow Temple. There hasn't been a temple where you crap your pants while exploring it like this one. Get still for three seconds and a FUCKING shadow starts posing above you! Stay still and a FUCKING HAND GRABS YOU! That Shadow Temple is Nightmare Temple. FUCKING HANDS!!!!
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Yeah, MM just perfected the flaws OoT had IMO. Everything seems so intuitive, and Stone temple is the best temple nintendo has ever done.
you must be confused
lol.
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Totally intentional.
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Yeah, MM just perfected the flaws OoT had IMO. Everything seems so intuitive, and Stone temple is the best temple nintendo has ever done.
MM's ending sucked like no other game has! And you must be confused, the best temple of them all is the Shadow Temple. There hasn't been a temple where you crap your pants while exploring it like this one. Get still for three seconds and a FUCKING shadow starts posing above you! Stay still and a FUCKING HAND GRABS YOU! That Shadow Temple is Nightmare Temple. FUCKING HANDS!!!!
Wow, really? But: how can you listen to that shit!?
seriously, shadow temple is really easy.
lol I knew I'd get trolled for liking MM over OoT here.
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TELL 'EM BOUT MY GANON
TELL THEM ABOUT MI(YAMOTO)
THE LEGEND OF ZELDAAAAAAAAAAAYYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHH
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Yeah, MM just perfected the flaws OoT had IMO. Everything seems so intuitive, and Stone temple is the best temple nintendo has ever done.
MM's ending sucked like no other game has! And you must be confused, the best temple of them all is the Shadow Temple. There hasn't been a temple where you crap your pants while exploring it like this one. Get still for three seconds and a FUCKING shadow starts posing above you! Stay still and a FUCKING HAND GRABS YOU! That Shadow Temple is Nightmare Temple. FUCKING HANDS!!!!
Wow, really? But: how can you listen to that shit!?
seriously, shadow temple is really easy.
lol I knew I'd get trolled for liking MM over OoT here.
Don't worry I got your back. *fist bumps*
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over at 5/8, there's a thread for MM, and here's what one guy said: "This game cuts down on the dungeons a bit in favor of a richer and more detailed world. I love that aspect a lot, but it also makes for a much more daunting game. There's so much to do that I'd be surprised if any gamer has ever gotten 100% without using a guide or help of any sort."
Which basically sums up my view of MM.
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And I agree with that as well.
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You know, the only Zelda I've played is the original. I've got a N64 laying around..... wonder how hard to find/expensive any of these are.
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I'm not saying I don't like MM, I do. It's just not as high on my list as, say, The Minish Cap.
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I got the forthcoming idea from a podcast I used to listen to:
What if we got a group of people and all played OoT together? Like "Play up to X by the end of the week" and then we'd discuss on the forums. Just a thought..I think it would be fun!
I'd hit that. And I have master quest on the GC to do so.
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is master quest different from the original? 'Cause all i gots is my trusty N64
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I got the forthcoming idea from a podcast I used to listen to:
What if we got a group of people and all played OoT together? Like "Play up to X by the end of the week" and then we'd discuss on the forums. Just a thought..I think it would be fun!
I'd hit that. And I have master quest on the GC to do so.
i would definitely do this, that would actually make me play it more too.
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It is, but the game I have is the original / master quest bonus disc you get when preordering Wind Waker. I can play the original with y'all. I should have specified.
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No need, as that's the only version that exists. I have it too.
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No need, as that's the only version that exists. I have it too.
Well, besides the N64 Japanese edition, and the downloadable one on the virtual console. Fuck you misleading wikipedia article.
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The only version that exists in America then. :P
And I tend to not count the virtual console cuz you can get almost anything there.
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So it's a no go on you Super Dude? You have the game, have any friends with a system you could jack?
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Not in Israel. :p
Well here's the deal: when I get back from Israel, I have two weeks till I leave for college. I have access to OoT in those two weeks, but that's obviously not nearly enough time to get farther than maybe the Forest Temple or the Fire Temple, depending on how much dungeoneering I remember. I could bring the game with me to college, but obviously I have a few problems with the idea of forsaking important college stuff for videogames.
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You're still in Israel? Long trip indeed.
In any case, if you did bring it to college, I don't think a schedule of 1 dungeon/week would be very straining on your studies. Or perhaps I have a radically different view than yourself. What do you all think, 1dun/week starting in september?
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When do you get back from Israel, Super Jew?
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I'd be up for that. masterquest or no masterquest. I'll be playing on the VC though if it's vanilla OoT because I don't like starting up my N64 if I don't have to.
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I get back on August 7th, then leave for college on the 21st.
A lot of factors go into this. First, I need to find someone willing to let me use their console on campus, and then second I need for them to be willing to let me play a few times a week. :p
Third, I take my studies very seriously. I will try to get as far as I can while at home though.
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Hm. Seems like you're stuck in a rut. Why don't we see if any more people want to participate and start in say a week or so?
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I'm totally game for playing on vacations. :p
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That's right, I specifically bought the special edition of Wind Waker from eBay that has Master Quest. I once tried playing it emulated, and it's so much more difficult than OoT. It's like they added so much without adding a thing. They just forced you to use everything in clever thoughtful ways. Badass but fucking difficult. I'll finish it one day.
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Should we start a new thread for it? might get more peoples attention.
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Yeah, probably. Do the honors?
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Every time I went back in time on MM, the temples reset so it felt like I was accomplishing nothing :millahhhh
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:lol
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What are everyone's thoughts on the handheld/portable games (Link's Awakening, Oracle of Ages/Seasons, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, did I get them all?)
I've never owned a handheld Nintendo so never played any of these, but this thread has inspired me to check out any Zelda games I've missed.
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Minish Cap owns :metal
I'm playing through Oracle of Ages right now, so I'll give my opinion later. And I have to dig up my copy of Links Awakening, but I remember enjoying
Phantom Hourglass was fail
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A great way to play Link to the Past is on the GBA, it's how I played it through. Minish Cap is actually a well made game, though it uses the "Four Swords" engine and design.
I highly advise everyone to play Link's Awakening if you haven't, it's an excellent adventure, neat dungeons, from what I remember. Which isn't much, I'll have to replay it soon.
I've only played Oracle of Seasons, but it was a good zelda adventure on it's own. Certainly not one of my favourites, the "companion" system gets rather tiring. I never did beat Twin Rova, fucking hard as hell, and I have 19 hearts w/ a red/witch's potion (which in that game is a bottled fairy for a full health restore).
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I had oracle of ages when I was about 8, but never got to the first dungeon. :lol I wasn't used to top down zeldas, I'll play through one on my collectors edition (the one with MM and every game previous to windwaker, and the 20 minute trial of wind waker), and buy the games if I really like it.
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Yeah, MM just perfected the flaws OoT had IMO. Everything seems so intuitive, and Stone temple is the best temple nintendo has ever done.
MM's ending sucked like no other game has! And you must be confused, the best temple of them all is the Shadow Temple. There hasn't been a temple where you crap your pants while exploring it like this one. Get still for three seconds and a FUCKING shadow starts posing above you! Stay still and a FUCKING HAND GRABS YOU! That Shadow Temple is Nightmare Temple. FUCKING HANDS!!!!
Wow, really? But: how can you listen to that shit!?
seriously, shadow temple is really easy.
lol I knew I'd get trolled for liking MM over OoT here.
The band you liked that riff from: pile of shit. Just noise.
And yeah, I liked Majora's Mask a lot. But the end... I remember finishing it (as a kid) and being completely disappointed.
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Honestly dude, stop trolling.
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Funny.
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D:
STOP BEING MEAN.
lol, I know, I was the one who brought that up, just thought it was funny.
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Where's your avatar, anyway?
O RLY is really appropriate with this thread and this sudden "let's worship Zelda" vibe.
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Don't look so frightened, this is just a passing phase, one of my bad days.
Seriously, I do this all the time, where I have a sudden renewed love for the series.
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Quoting Pink Floyd is always the correct answer.
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Zelda is always awesome.
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There needs to be a Zelda anime that does not resemble the one from the 80s. In the meantime, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQ9fPj4y48
The art and animation gets better as the series goes along, I promise.
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I just noticed that four people (me included) have zelda-related avatars.
:gwii:
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Am I one of them?
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not yet :neverusethis:
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Is that better? :neverusethis:
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Keep moss, moss is awesome.
Jen, the spider has now maneuvered itself between me and the door - I can't get out.
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That means I have to download the picture from my Photobucket account again since we can't link to avatars :millahhhh
Although, I might get a new avatar of Moss.
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not yet :neverusethis:
I'm sorry Gwii, but I grew tired of the twin Pythons. I tried to get a nice reduction of https://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2800000/Master-Sword-Wallpaper-the-legend-of-zelda-2832786-1920-1200.jpg without the Zelda emblem, to no avail.
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Edit: NVM, stupid moment.
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not yet :neverusethis:
I'm sorry Gwii, but I grew tired of the twin Pythons. I tried to get a nice reduction of https://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2800000/Master-Sword-Wallpaper-the-legend-of-zelda-2832786-1920-1200.jpg without the Zelda emblem, to no avail.
that will make an awesome wallpaper
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Already done. :hat
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not yet :neverusethis:
I'm sorry Gwii, but I grew tired of the twin Pythons. I tried to get a nice reduction of https://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2800000/Master-Sword-Wallpaper-the-legend-of-zelda-2832786-1920-1200.jpg without the Zelda emblem, to no avail.
that will make an awesome wallpaper
No doubt, but I'm happy with one of Stevetheater's make (not zelda related, of course)
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Shit. My father taught me to read using the original Zelda game. It was epic.
Ocarina of Time is still my favorite. No shitty three day time limit and no going back and forth between forms. Just you, Link, mindless adventure and slaughter.
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Ocarina of Time is still my favorite. No shitty three day time limit and no going back and forth between forms. Just you, Link, mindless adventure and slaughter.
totally this.
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Twilight Princess is still my favourite. No shitty three day time limit and no going back and fourth between times. Just you, Link AND A MOTHERFUCKING WOLF.
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I hate the wolf. Screw the wolf. I'll take the MM forms over the stupid wolf any day.
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I've never actually played Twilight Princess. I was just showing how the original post could be interchangeable.
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I'll admit. The Zora was awesome. Projectile fins and a fish bone guitar. Hells yeah. Not to mention the electric charge.
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I hate the wolf. Screw the wolf. I'll take the MM forms over the stupid wolf any day.
Yep
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This article was posted on my Zelda forum January 7th:
https://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda-news/zelda-wii-to-be-released-this-year/#more-9397
Holy Wiimotes, Batman! Is Zelda Wii going to be released this year? Nintendo President Satoru Iwata claims that this is indeed the case. In an interview with Japan’s Asashi Shimbun Daily, he said “You are now less than 365 days away from a new console Zelda game.”
If this is the case, then we’re in for a good year with not only Zelda, but other major releases such as Mario Galaxy 2 and the mysterious Metroid: Other M. So get going to the forums and express your excitement and joy! And later your anger as Nintendo decides to delay the game for months.
The Zelda team have been giving hints about the content of the game for a couple of months now, and have confirmed that they will reveal a lot more about the game at E3 2010. Zelda Director Eiji Aonuma had this to say back in November 2009: “So far, the basic flow of the Zelda games is you’re exploring a field, you go to a dungeon, you conquer it and return to the field. We’re looking at altering that traditional flow. That’s all I can share, and I can’t say more until E3 next year.”
Aonuma has also stated that the last big console Zelda game, Twilight Princess, didn’t fully complete Nintendo’s objective of creating the most realistic and immersive Zelda experience ever, and says that Zelda Wii will take what they’ve built in Twilight Princess and adapt it for a more realistic playing experience.
Discuss.
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I don't own a Wii :'(
Good thing I have over a year *cough*delays*cough*
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:sadpanda:
I mean what I'm really pleased with is the fact we're finally gonna see something at E3 this year.
Also, rumor has it the game's been in development since the year before Twilight Princess was released.
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:sadpanda:
I mean what I'm really pleased with is the fact we're finally gonna see something at E3 this year.
Also, rumor has it the game's been in development since the year before Twilight Princess was released.
Well, that might be the reason Twilight Princess was delayed then :P
I'll be glad to see some stuff at E3 though. Excellent!
I should probably beat Twilight Princess before I get this next one though, hmm? :D
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Exactly what I've been doing for the last week. :hat
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Exactly what I've been doing for the last week. :hat
You've never beaten it either? Wow.
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Oh. I thought you just meant playing through. This will be my third time. :laugh:
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Dang, I thought I might not have been the only one who hasn't beaten the game. Got to the second-last temple and somehow my attention dropped off. :-[
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I heard the Zelda team has been working on this since 2006. :metal
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Actually if it was started a year before Twilight Princess was released, that would put it at 2005. I really hope so; that's the second-longest development time for a Zelda game, longest being OoT.
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Dang, I thought I might not have been the only one who hasn't beaten the game. Got to the second-last temple and somehow my attention dropped off. :-[
Is that the sky temple? That one was a bastard. Possibly the hardest part of the game for me - I kept getting lost. By comparison I beat Ganondorf on my first try!
Playing through Spirit Tracks now. I've reached the boss in the Sand Temple, now I'm just dilly-dallying - finishing up the sidequests, getting force gems and rabbits and treasures and so-on. Trying to unlock all the train cars, 'cause I don't know how long I'll be able to roam the place for! First time though y'see.
Very good news about new Zelda! I'm looking forward to it. It sounds like it's gonna be a bit revolutionary - although I'm guessing it'll be a little longer before it's released in the UK. I'm guessing this is for Wii?
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It is for the Wii and I believe it's a worldwide release.
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It is for the Wii and I believe it's a worldwide release.
Being an Xbox gamer this makes me :sadpanda:
I'm a big Zelda fan, so I'm making up for it by playing Minish Cap.
It's not the same....
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It is for the Wii and I believe it's a worldwide release.
Being an Xbox gamer this makes me :sadpanda:
I'm a big Zelda fan, so I'm making up for it by playing Minish Cap.
It's not the same....
Minish Cap is a great game. I have that and Link to the Past for GBA :tup
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Yeah, but after I played Twilight Princess......
It's like drinking a fine wine. You can't drink anything but the best after.
Oh well, maybe I'll sneak into your house and steal your Wii.
;)
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It is for the Wii and I believe it's a worldwide release.
Being an Xbox gamer this makes me :sadpanda:
I'm a big Zelda fan, so I'm making up for it by playing Minish Cap.
It's not the same....
*Psst* there's this game called Darksiders that came out last week that's miles better than the 3D Zeldas. ;)
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It is for the Wii and I believe it's a worldwide release.
Being an Xbox gamer this makes me :sadpanda:
I'm a big Zelda fan, so I'm making up for it by playing Minish Cap.
It's not the same....
*Psst* there's this game called Darksiders that came out last week that's miles better than the 3D Zeldas. ;)
It's waiting for me at EBgames with the code for the Harvester :ceffeine:
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Got a Nintendo DS lite for Christmas and i'm a huge harry potter fan. The games i received were HP6, Rubik's world, and a surprise- ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS.
Everyone has been teasing me b/c i haven't touched the harry potter game yet but have been playing Zelda since Christmas day. :biggrin:
This is my first Zelda game and I do plan on finding more, however How many are there for the DS?? Anyone know?
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The only other one that I know of for the DS is Spirit Tracks. I haven't paid much attention to handheld Zelda since the Oracle series.
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thanks. :tup
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Yeah, Spirit Tracks. Better than Phantom Hourglass imo, and I really liked PH!
The other one of that "style" is Windwaker, which is for the Gamecube, but if you have a Wii then the Gamecube disc will work in it. Twilight Princess is the other recent one, and both are excellent. The others are a bit more retro and have aged a bit - Game Boy, Nintendo 64 etc., but also very good.
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Yeah, Spirit Tracks. Better than Phantom Hourglass imo, and I really liked PH!
The other one of that "style" is Windwaker, which is for the Gamecube, but if you have a Wii then the Gamecube disc will work in it. Twilight Princess is the other recent one, and both are excellent. The others are a bit more retro and have aged a bit - Game Boy, Nintendo 64 etc., but also very good.
Hey, the 64 ones have aged extremely well. Haven't really played the handheld ones though.
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I'm still a die-hard-fan of Ocarina of Time. That was my first one, and it's still my favorite. :tup
I liked MM (although the whole going-back-in-time-over-and-over-again thing got old) and WW too, and the Phantom Hourglass was kinda neat (although I'm not a total fan of the cartoon-ish look). Although TP was also a favorite of mine (most people got really annoyed with Midna, but I thought she was a heck of a lot better than Navi.....Wanted to get her in a bottle and fling her off the mountain...) I thought the wolf concept was cool, kinda different. And yeah, hated those last couple temples, usually the Water Temple is the most confusing for me, lol. :laugh:
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I still go back and play Ocarina of Time every year.
I still consider it the greatest game of all time. It's aged so perfectly. Every dungeon is clever and unique.
Not to say the other Zelda games' dungeons aren't cool. But you can tell that Ocarina became the template for all future dungeons.
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I'm impressed they were able to keep the same general format and still make the game better every time. :D (I have the older one too, for the Super Nintendo)
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(I have the older one too, for the Super Nintendo)
lol young'uns.
-J
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Yeah, Spirit Tracks. Better than Phantom Hourglass imo, and I really liked PH!
The other one of that "style" is Windwaker, which is for the Gamecube, but if you have a Wii then the Gamecube disc will work in it. Twilight Princess is the other recent one, and both are excellent. The others are a bit more retro and have aged a bit - Game Boy, Nintendo 64 etc., but also very good.
Hey, the 64 ones have aged extremely well. Haven't really played the handheld ones though.
IMO, the only two zeldas that have aged are the original and the second one. All the rest seem to have held their own over time.
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Playing Oracle of Ages right now.
About to enter the 3rd dungeon. It's on the island where all the lizard guys steal your shit.
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I've never had a handheld system, and only recently played Minish Cap on my PC. I thought it was ok, it looked, played, and sounded like a Zelda game, but didn't really feel like a Zelda game. Maybe I wasn't paying attention to the story, but most of the time I didn't even know what I was doing or why I was doing it. I was just completing A to get to B, and so on.
I think I might have the other games on my PC, I'll have to check.
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Playing Oracle of Ages right now.
About to enter the 3rd dungeon. It's on the island where all the lizard guys steal your shit.
Seasons be better, but these were quite good for the GBA.
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Playing Oracle of Ages right now.
About to enter the 3rd dungeon. It's on the island where all the lizard guys steal your shit.
Seasons be better, but these were quite good for the GBC.
Fix'd.
Also I love those games
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I abcolutely love Zelda yay!
Now that my wii is internet connected I'll be downloading LoZ, Z2 and MM which are the only ones I haven't finished other than ST, ALttP and possibly WW need to check that.
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Playing Oracle of Ages right now.
About to enter the 3rd dungeon. It's on the island where all the lizard guys steal your shit.
Seasons be better, but these were quite good for the GBC.
Fix'd.
Also I love those games
They were OK.
Playing them again, I'm not all that blown away. They're better than Link's Awakening (my least fav), but only marginally. At least you get Moosh or Ricky :)
I dunno, they're OK, just not great. I know SI raves about them, but he also has never made it past the Water Temple in Ocarina, and therefore doesn't even like it. So I don't trust his opinion of LoZ games much.
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^^^^
Ok, seriously, let the Water Temple thing go. So I screwed up the key thing. There was no way I was going to start over. and, i've finished a lot of the other games.
As for Seasons, it was my first Zelda, so I have a personal attachment to it.
Also, if you hate a game that has this in it, you fail:
(https://www.zeldawiki.org/images/3/37/Moosh.png)
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Seasons is your favourite Zelda game?
(https://420.thrashbarg.net/lol_que.jpg)
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Ok, seriously, let the Water Temple thing go. So I screwed up the key thing. There was no way I was going to start over. and, i've finished a lot of the other games.
Except if you can't complete a dungeon in THE QUINTESSENTIAL ZELDA GAME, how can I take your opinion seriously?
Yeah, you finished a few more, but at least finish Ocarina dude.
And you could have restarted the dungeon. You were too lazy to do it.
And that was like 4 years ago, and you've made no attempt since. SHAME
And Moosh is cool, but he's actually the useless one. Ricky can jump up cliffs, and the Dodongo guy can swim. Moosh can only hover over multiple gaps (which Link can surpass anyway if you have Roc's Feather and the Magic Boots).
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Seasons is your favourite Zelda game?
I never said that. It's just closest to my heart.
It probably goes Ocarina (what I was able to finish), TP, Seasons, Minish Cap, Majora;s Mask. The rest are an indistinct haze that I haven't played for a long time.
I guess I should get one that...
*runs to find PC versions*
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Damnit. If I knew where my cartridge was, and hadn't lost my controllers, I'd lend you my N64 to play it :P
Might head out to the Second Last Game Store to do just that...
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Damnit. If I knew where my cartridge was, and hadn't lost my controllers, I'd lend you my N64 to play it :P
Might head out to the Second Last Game Store to do just that...
Seriously? That's hella cool of you man.
We must join together and play LoZ one day.
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Damnit. If I knew where my cartridge was, and hadn't lost my controllers, I'd lend you my N64 to play it :P
Might head out to the Second Last Game Store to do just that...
Seriously? That's hella cool of you man.
We must join together and play LoZ one day.
Indeed. I'm going to be having a movie night with my friend Lauren, who lives over in Risley, soon. If I have the money to do so, I'll meet you guys and have the N64 for you at the same time :tup
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Damnit. If I knew where my cartridge was, and hadn't lost my controllers, I'd lend you my N64 to play it :P
Might head out to the Second Last Game Store to do just that...
Seriously? That's hella cool of you man.
We must join together and play LoZ one day.
Indeed. I'm going to be having a movie night with my friend Lauren, who lives over in Risley, soon. If I have the money to do so, I'll meet you guys and have the N64 for you at the same time :tup
That would be awesome. I've been looking forward to finally meeting you.
Plus, I'd get my hands on some legit console Zelda. :P
Edit: Dammit setra, now I feel a compulsion to play oracle of ages.
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From another website:
Majora's Mask is about Link coping with the death of Navi.
Each major area in the game represents one of the 5 stages of grief:
Clocktown=Denial
No one wants to admit that the moon will crush them, they just want to have their carnival
Woodfall=Anger
The Deku are furious at the monkey for "kidnapping" their princess. They completely ignore the fact that he has nothing to do with their swamp being poisoned.
Snowhead=Bargaining
If only the Goron's legendary hero would return, everything would be alright again.
Great Bay=Depression
With the lead singer's voice gone, the rest of the Zora mope about, seeing no point in anything.
Ikana=Acceptance
Filled with the dead, Link must bring peace and calm the lingering spirits there.
Some text from the Happy Mask Salesman:
"Whenever there is a meeting, a
parting is sure to follow.
However, that parting need not
last forever...
Whether a parting be forever or
merely for a short time...
That is up to you."
What was Link's mission at the beginning of the game? To find an old friend, right? What does Tatl say to Link after all is said and done, yet there is no Navi in sight?
"Well, both of us have gotten what
we were after..."
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Except Navi wasn't dead...
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As far as you know :P
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I hope Navi was dead.
Maybe Link finally got fed up with that stupid little shit shouting: "LISTEN" every 5 seconds.
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HEY!
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I think that analysis is pretty overboard, but it doesn't change the fact that MM was AMAZING.
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HEY!
LISTEN!
GODDAMMIT NAVI I KNOW HOW TO Z-TARGET YOU STUPID TWAT
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EPIC BUMP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq5C6oaEWcU
Link fighting that mysterious dude from the GDC trailer. I think we may finally have come upon a villain that will not be some lame underling to Ganondorf.
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Concerning the OP, I do believe that apart from the OoT, the Oracle games are by far the best Zelda games I've ever played.
OoT is the classic;
WindWaker was phenomenal (if a bit heavy on sailing)
the DS ones are meh
Majora's Mask is great (but I hate the 3 day cycle)
The Minish Cap was fun, but too easy
A Link to the Past was kinda hard, but I liked it, because it was a long game (although I never did beat Ganon)
and I'm currently playing through TTP (I'm at the Lakebed temple) and it's good, but a tad easy
Anyways, I'll finish TTP soon, and then probably revisit my file in OoT (I'm in the Shadow Temple) then finally force myself through Majora's Mask
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EPIC BUMP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq5C6oaEWcU
Link fighting that mysterious dude from the GDC trailer. I think we may finally have come upon a villain that will not be some lame underling to Ganondorf.
Zelda is by far my favorite series, and the biggest reason I play video games at all. I really dig just about everything I see on Skyward Sword (the game that is the reason I haven't sold my Wii yet), but I HATE this new villain Ghirahim. I would probably rather have Tingle be the antagonist. I know people complain about Ganondorf coming back all the time and undermining the newer villains, but at least he is intimidating.
(https://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/image.php?u=5361977&dateline=1307494980)
Really? The only positive about having him in the game is being able to beat the living tar out of him. I'd hate to see a great game fail to come together because of a lame villain.
From another website:
Majora's Mask is about Link coping with the death of Navi.
Each major area in the game represents one of the 5 stages of grief:
Clocktown=Denial
No one wants to admit that the moon will crush them, they just want to have their carnival
Woodfall=Anger
The Deku are furious at the monkey for "kidnapping" their princess. They completely ignore the fact that he has nothing to do with their swamp being poisoned.
Snowhead=Bargaining
If only the Goron's legendary hero would return, everything would be alright again.
Great Bay=Depression
With the lead singer's voice gone, the rest of the Zora mope about, seeing no point in anything.
Ikana=Acceptance
Filled with the dead, Link must bring peace and calm the lingering spirits there.
Some text from the Happy Mask Salesman:
"Whenever there is a meeting, a
parting is sure to follow.
However, that parting need not
last forever...
Whether a parting be forever or
merely for a short time...
That is up to you."
What was Link's mission at the beginning of the game? To find an old friend, right? What does Tatl say to Link after all is said and done, yet there is no Navi in sight?
"Well, both of us have gotten what
we were after..."
And such is another fan-created theory about that game to make it seem deeper than it really is. :P
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Too bad I will be abroad for a couple months when Skyward Sword is released, but I'm still very excite :caffeine:.
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Link to the Past is the best Zelda game.
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:| how did I miss this thread?
I'm still preparing for Ganondorf in Ocarina - just need to find some more hearts etc and half way through the Twilight Princess. I've been having a hard time finding free time to play!
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In which Zelda games is Ganondorf not the primary antagonist?
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*longass post*
To that first bit, I respect your opinion, but personally I'm very interested in what they can do with this guy. Sure he may seem a bit wimpy from what we know, but honestly we don't know that much to begin with. I'm actually kinda intrigued as well by the fact that this new villain isn't the typical strongman General Onox, Ganondorf, and Zant were. This guy seems to be more the clever, manipulative type, and I want to see where Nintendo will go with that.
For the second bit, again you're probably right, but we here at DTF should know better than anyone: overanalyzing makes everything more fun. :laugh:
In which Zelda games is Ganondorf not the primary antagonist?
Off the top of my head:
Zelda II: Adventure of Link
Link's Awakening
Majora's Mask
That's all I got.
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And Minish Cap
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Oh ok. My friend was trying to tell me that Majora's Mask is the only one, and I was like "wtf, that doesn't sound right."
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And Minish Cap
Ah! How could I forget? In that case, then Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures as well.
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*longass post*
To that first bit, I respect your opinion, but personally I'm very interested in what they can do with this guy. Sure he may seem a bit wimpy from what we know, but honestly we don't know that much to begin with. I'm actually kinda intrigued as well by the fact that this new villain isn't the typical strongman General Onox, Ganondorf, and Zant were. This guy seems to be more the clever, manipulative type, and I want to see where Nintendo will go with that.
I won't withhold my purchase just yet, but I immensely dislike the character. And I know you're supposed to dislike villains, but that should be because they just burned down my hometown, not because they just stuck their tongue in my ear.
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:lol
Well, I remember being really skeptical about Majora/Skull Kid for the longest time, so only time will tell.
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Ganon isn't the antagonist in Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks, either.
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I wouldn't know, haven't played either of those. Who are they?
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Bellum in PH and Malladus in ST.
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Huh, interesting. Like your name btw (when I was a kid that was my favorite enemy because it looked like a bunny :p). ;)
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Huh, interesting. Like your name btw (when I was a kid that was my favorite enemy because it looked like a bunny :p). ;)
Haha! Thanks. They aren't my favorite but their name is pretty intriguing/weird and I like rabbits. ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVwh80O2BM
:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
(Although I'm hoping the latter comments doesn't mean Ganondorf will be making yet another appearance)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVwh80O2BM
:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
(Although I'm hoping the latter comments doesn't mean Ganondorf will be making yet another appearance)
I would be fine with it. All of that sounds great!
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I mean it does raise another issue though, that having Ganondorf as a baddie this early on in Zelda history, and especially if he were the main baddie, that could mess with the continuity a bit. After all, he has his origin story in OoT, doesn't he?
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I mean it does raise another issue though, that having Ganondorf as a baddie this early on in Zelda history, and especially if he were the main baddie, that could mess with the continuity a bit. After all, he has his origin story in OoT, doesn't he?
You don't think it's messed up enough as it is? :lol
This video explains much better than I can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHIP9UtkQDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHIP9UtkQDQ) :biggrin:
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Well see I prescribe to the split timeline theory, so I know the chronology is kinda complex. It's just Ganondorf had his origin story already, it would be weird to have an earlier Ganondorf. I just always figured that through all the incarnations of Link and Zelda, there was one distinct Ganondorf that was split across both timelines.
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Well see I prescribe to the split timeline theory, so I know the chronology is kinda complex. It's just Ganondorf had his origin story already, it would be weird to have an earlier Ganondorf. I just always figured that through all the incarnations of Link and Zelda, there was one distinct Ganondorf that was split across both timelines.
Yeah, the split timeline was confirmed by "the maker" himself. I always bought that there was only one Ganon as well, but I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they put as much thought into timelines and continuity as the fans do. Until the Wind Waker came out, it wasn't even confirmed that there were multiple Links. I'm sure there's a way to shoehorn him in there though. I don't think Ocarina necessarily has to be his origin story, maybe just his introduction to the Royal Family of the time, or the first time he successfully took over.
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Well see I prescribe to the split timeline theory, so I know the chronology is kinda complex. It's just Ganondorf had his origin story already, it would be weird to have an earlier Ganondorf. I just always figured that through all the incarnations of Link and Zelda, there was one distinct Ganondorf that was split across both timelines.
Yeah, the split timeline was confirmed by "the maker" himself. I always bought that there was only one Ganon as well, but I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they put as much thought into timelines and continuity as the fans do. Until the Wind Waker came out, it wasn't even confirmed that there were multiple Links. I'm sure there's a way to shoehorn him in there though. I don't think Ocarina necessarily has to be his origin story, maybe just his introduction to the Royal Family of the time, or the first time he successfully took over.
Well yes, but it's also the first time the tidbit about only one Gerudo male every hundred years is introduced. Ganondorf is the first Gerudo male in 100 years, and somehow I doubt every Gerudo male ever was named Ganondorf and that this Gerudo wanted to take over Hyrule every single time. Wouldn't they have learned not to repeat that mistake after a while? :p
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I mean it does raise another issue though, that having Ganondorf as a baddie this early on in Zelda history, and especially if he were the main baddie, that could mess with the continuity a bit. After all, he has his origin story in OoT, doesn't he?
You don't think it's messed up enough as it is? :lol
This video explains much better than I can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHIP9UtkQDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHIP9UtkQDQ) :biggrin:
Beat me to it.
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Well see I prescribe to the split timeline theory, so I know the chronology is kinda complex. It's just Ganondorf had his origin story already, it would be weird to have an earlier Ganondorf. I just always figured that through all the incarnations of Link and Zelda, there was one distinct Ganondorf that was split across both timelines.
Yeah, the split timeline was confirmed by "the maker" himself. I always bought that there was only one Ganon as well, but I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they put as much thought into timelines and continuity as the fans do. Until the Wind Waker came out, it wasn't even confirmed that there were multiple Links. I'm sure there's a way to shoehorn him in there though. I don't think Ocarina necessarily has to be his origin story, maybe just his introduction to the Royal Family of the time, or the first time he successfully took over.
Well yes, but it's also the first time the tidbit about only one Gerudo male every hundred years is introduced. Ganondorf is the first Gerudo male in 100 years, and somehow I doubt every Gerudo male ever was named Ganondorf and that this Gerudo wanted to take over Hyrule every single time. Wouldn't they have learned not to repeat that mistake after a while? :p
Unless this game is within that 100 year span.
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I finally finished the Minish Cap last night after quitting on the final boss years ago. I believe that was the hardest final boss battles I've gone through out of all the Zelda games. I needed to collect all but one of my hearts and have all four jars filled with the red potion to make it through.
So that makes my list of completed Zelda's
Minish Cap
Ocarina of Time
Phantom Hourglass
Twilight Princess
Spirit Tracks
Bring on Skyward Sword!
By the way... Does anyone have Ocarina of Time for the 3DS? If so how does it look?
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I finally finished the Minish Cap last night after quitting on the final boss years ago. I believe that was the hardest final boss battles I've gone through out of all the Zelda games. I needed to collect all but one of my hearts and have all four jars filled with the red potion to make it through.
Seriously?
The Minish Cap is by far and away the easiest Zelda game there has ever been..
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I finally finished the Minish Cap last night after quitting on the final boss years ago. I believe that was the hardest final boss battles I've gone through out of all the Zelda games. I needed to collect all but one of my hearts and have all four jars filled with the red potion to make it through.
Seriously?
The Minish Cap is by far and away the easiest Zelda game there has ever been..
Well everything else was easy but the final battle I thought was hard. Maybe I just don't do well on the gameboy.
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I did find that countdown bit just before the final boss battle was a little tedious.
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Maybe I just don't do well on the gameboy.
Entirely plausible.
I find that I'm much better on the gameboy than other platforms. Must be from years of constant practice.
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I :heart Zelda. I've beaten all of them, including Four Swords. My favorite is WW, but my favorite conceptually is MM.
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The final boss in Minish Cap is a nice challenge. The game is relatively easy overall but I love it.
I :heart Zelda. I've beaten all of them, including Four Swords. My favorite is WW, but my favorite conceptually is MM.
The Wind Waker's my favorite too. :biggrin:
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Minish Cap is the best handheld.
**runs**
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Minish Cap is the best handheld, after both of the Oracle games.
**stays, because this is an established fact, and there is no need to be ashamed of agreeing with it**
FTFY
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Maybe it's because I found the Oracle series maddeningly difficult (cut me some slack, I was 11 years old), but by far I prefer the Minish Cap.
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Maybe it's because I found the Oracle series maddeningly difficult (cut me some slack, I was 11 years old), but by far I prefer the Minish Cap.
sorry, I don't think I can cut you that much slack.. I was 9 when I got them, and I waltzed through them
But w/e, I've been sounding like a complete dick in my last few posts, so I'm gonna stop there.
You should really try and replay those games, they're fantastic.
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I like all of the handheld Zelda games. Ranking:
1. Link's Awakening
2. The Minish Cap
3. Oracle of Seasons
4. Oracle of Ages
5. Spirit Tracks
6. Phantom Hourglass
I'm not totally sure if I like Seasons or Ages better, but Seasons has Subrosia, which is cool.
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Ranking time:
1. The Wind Waker
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Twilight Princess
4. The Minish Cap
5. Spirit Tracks
6. Oracle of Seasons
7. Majora's Mask
8. A Link to the Past
9. Link's Awakening
10. The Adventure of Link
11. Four Swords Adventures
12. Phantom Hourglass
13. The Legend of Zelda
14. Oracle of Ages
15. Four Swords
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1. Ocarina of Time
2. A Link to the Past
3. Twilight Princess
4. The Legend of Zelda
5. The Wind Waker
6. Majora's Mask
7. Link's Awakening
8. The Adventure of Link
Haven't played the others, but I've been meaning to get around to several of them. Every game on this list I enjoyed thoroughly, even The Adventure of Link (although that one is definitely the 'worst' of the bunch).
I did play the Oracle games for the game boy and remember liking them, but it was a loooong time ago and I don't recall enough about them to know where I'd rank them.
-J
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1. Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Time
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Wind Waker
4. Majora's Mask
6. Twilight Princess
7. Minish Cap
8. A Link to the Past
9. Link's Awakening
10. Phantom Hourglass (absolute rubbish)
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Minish Cap is the best handheld.
**runs**
lolno
Rankings:
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Link's Awakening
3. Oracle of Seasons/Ages
4. Twilight Princess
5. A Link to the Past
6. Majora's Mask
7. Legend of Zelda
8. Wind Waker
9. Spirit Tracks
10. Minish Cap
11. Phantom Hourglass
12. Adventure of Link
Gameboy Zeldas ftw!
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Tingle
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1. Ocarina of Time
2. Majora's Mask
3. Twilight Princess
4. Link's Awakening
5. Minish Cap
6. A Link to the Past
7. Legend of Zelda
8. Wind Wanker
9. Oracle Series
10. Adventure of Link can suck my left nut
In general I prefer console Zelda releases to the portables (with the couple of notable exceptions listed), and 3D games to 2D ones (except Wind Waker).
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1. Ocarina of Time
2. Majora's Mask
3. Twilight Princess
4. Oracle of Seasons
5. Oracle of Ages
6. Wind Waker
7. Link's Awakening
8. Phantom Hourglass
9. A Link to the Past
10. Legend of Zelda
11. Adventures of Link
Still need to play Spirit Tracks and Minish Cap. I like Phantom Hourglass, but its the only recent Zelda portable I've played, so maybe it doesnt stack up as well against the rest.
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A Link to the Past
Ocarina of Time
* these two are 1 and 1a and could flip flop at any time. But if I could only play one of them again in the rest of my lifetime, it would be ALttP
Legend of Zelda - The game that led me in to Nintendo fanboyism.
Twilight Princess - I really, really wanted to like this game, just didn't
Majora's Mask - Only because I found it so difficult for some reason
Wind Waker
< big gap here>
Adventure of Link - Worst follow-up in the history of follow-ups
* Haven't played any of the handhelds
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Still need to play Spirit Tracks and Minish Cap. I like Phantom Hourglass, but its the only recent Zelda portable I've played, so maybe it doesnt stack up as well against the rest.
Those are the two best handhelds. If you liked PH, those will be incredible.
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Those are the two best handhelds. If you liked PH, those will be incredible.
Oh god, they totally aren't.
And how could someone actually like the Phantom Hourglass? It was such a horrifically annoying game to play, what with having to go through that same goddamn dungeon 6 times, and having to look at that idiot Linebeck throughout the entire game.
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Those are the two best handhelds. If you liked PH, those will be incredible.
Oh god, they totally aren't.
And how could someone actually like the Phantom Hourglass? It was such a horrifically annoying game to play, what with having to go through that same goddamn dungeon 6 times, and having to look at that idiot Linebeck throughout the entire game.
That was actually my first Zelda experience with my son's Nintendo DS. But I'm used to annoying things like that. The annoying helper seems to be a Zelda theme though. Midna was pretty dang annoying. Ezlo the bird hat thing too. Yeah, I guess now that I think about it; Linebeck was really awful. The repeating dungeon thing was annoying, yes. I didn't care for the whole ship aspect of it. Still it was my first so I reserve a fond place in my heart for it. I guess I'll have to agree with the rest of the world that Ocarina of Time is the best so far. Sounds like I need to do Wind Waker.
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Sounds like I need to do Wind Waker.
If you can, do.
The game is fantastic.
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I wasn't much of a fan of Wind Waker to be honest, and it's not because of the cel-shaded graphics (actually I couldn't care less about what graphics a Zelda game sports). I thought that the sea travel was unnecessarily long and boring and really could've used a fast travel option (I know there's a teleport option but shut the hell up, that's besides the point), I found the Triforce piece hunt equally boring and tedious, and really REALLY hated the dungeons, especially the last two (the awakening of the sage ones).
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I wasn't much of a fan of Wind Waker to be honest
8. Wind Wanker
I never would have guessed! :lol
Actually I'm with you. It was a pretty cool game, but I had a lot of the same complaints you seem to have had with it. And it's not one that I've ever felt the urge to re-play, unlike most of the other Zelda games I've played.
-J
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How is the new game going to be different than Twilight Princess?
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I didn't really like Wind Waker either.
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How is the new game going to be different than Twilight Princess?
In what sense? Storyline-wise this is supposed to be the original story, if that's what you mean. If you mean gameplay, there's new stuff like 1:1 sword action (meaning no pre-programmed sword swipes), a stamina bar for climbing, running, swimming, and other stuff, flying a giant bird...I dunno.
www.zeldauniverse.net
They got the skinny on everything.
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I wasn't much of a fan of Wind Waker to be honest, and it's not because of the cel-shaded graphics (actually I couldn't care less about what graphics a Zelda game sports). I thought that the sea travel was unnecessarily long and boring and really could've used a fast travel option (I know there's a teleport option but shut the hell up, that's besides the point), I found the Triforce piece hunt equally boring and tedious, and really REALLY hated the dungeons, especially the last two (the awakening of the sage ones).
I thought the dungeons were the best part of WW. But otherwise, I feel the same as you. The island set-up was a cool idea, but maybe if they had fewer inlands that you could do more stuff on.
And yes, this might be the first Zelda game I have no intention of ever playing again, thought Twilight Princess might fall in to that category as well. Too hard to say as I just finished it recently.
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I wasn't much of a fan of Wind Waker to be honest, and it's not because of the cel-shaded graphics (actually I couldn't care less about what graphics a Zelda game sports). I thought that the sea travel was unnecessarily long and boring and really could've used a fast travel option (I know there's a teleport option but shut the hell up, that's besides the point), I found the Triforce piece hunt equally boring and tedious, and really REALLY hated the dungeons, especially the last two (the awakening of the sage ones).
I thought the dungeons were the best part of WW. But otherwise, I feel the same as you. The island set-up was a cool idea, but maybe if they had fewer inlands that you could do more stuff on.
And yes, this might be the first Zelda game I have no intention of ever playing again, thought Twilight Princess might fall in to that category as well. Too hard to say as I just finished it recently.
I like playing Twilight Princess because I play it on a 50" TV :biggrin:
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Actually I consider TTP highly replayable. OoT may be a classic but I never want to repeat the Water Temple ever again.
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Actually I consider TTP highly replayable. OoT may be a classic but I never want to repeat the Water Temple ever again.
Is that the temple with the Bongo Drum dude? I quit the game for probably a year cause I couldn't get past that boss.
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I know 99% of people seem to hate the sea travel in The Wind Waker but I totally loved it. I'm a fan of games with big expanses to travel across and tons of places to discover. I never found the travel boring. Maybe it's because I'm a big geography nut. Even on long car trips I enjoy the time between destinations.
I also had zero problems with the triforce piece hunt. I like the whole hunting for sunken treasure idea and using treasure maps. Then I found out that everybody hated it and I was confused. But I'm that way with a lot of things. I also had no problem with Navi or the owl in Ocarina, and then I find out how annoying everybody found them. ???
Soon I'm probably going to post my detailed thoughts on each game in the series.
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Actually I consider TTP highly replayable. OoT may be a classic but I never want to repeat the Water Temple ever again.
Is that the temple with the Bongo Drum dude? I quit the game for probably a year cause I couldn't get past that boss.
Nope, that was the Shadow Temple.
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I also had no problem with Navi or the owl in Ocarina, and then I find out how annoying everybody found them. ???
(https://i.imgur.com/6aux7.jpg)
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Yeah...but I always selected Yes because I read things correctly. :coolio
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What are your favorite dungeons? Mine are the Stone Tower Temple, the Shadow Temple, and the Forest Temple.
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Skyward Sword release dates: November 18th in Europe and November 20th in North America.
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I'm really really enjoying playing OoT again (on 3DS). Can't wait to play master quest for the first time. I also got links awakening but haven't really played it that much.
I'm really looking forward to Skyward Sword. Too bad I have to wait until January to be able to play it. I've been waiting for it so long and now I have to wait even though it's out :-X.
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Skyward Sword isn't out... :huh:
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Skyward Sword isn't out... :huh:
November 18th onwards it is. And I won't be able to play until 2 months later, that's what I meant :).
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Ah, I see. Never fear, I'm pretty much in the same boat. Also, it'll probably be my last videogame ever. Unless Valve hurries the fuck up with Half-Life 2: Episode Three.
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Ah, I see. Never fear, I'm pretty much in the same boat. Also, it'll probably be my last videogame ever. Unless Valve hurries the fuck up with Half-Life 2: Episode Three.
Quitting video games after?
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Yeah, as much as I love them and will still love them, I figure it's part of growing up. I'll have a job, kids, and other responsibilities, and I don't want my attention to be sucked away by videogames, as it is in a typical college year.
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Yeah, as much as I love them and will still love them, I figure it's part of growing up. I'll have a job, kids, and other responsibilities, and I don't want my attention to be sucked away by videogames, as it is in a typical college year.
I get where your coming from. I was also thinking of stopping sometime in the next few years since it takes a lot of time and money but honestly its one of the major things I enjoy at the moment so it's kind of worth continueing. I'm going to try and cut some of the time it takes though, since on a free day I tend to do nothing else but play games and that seems to be a bit of a waste. It's all about the proportions I guess.
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Storyline-wise this is supposed to be the original story
....lol
sure it is
Then next year, we'll get another prequel. :lol
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Hey, you may be right, but I dunno how much further back they can go at this point. :lol
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I try not to worry about the Zelda timeline. It's just crazy as hell.
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I'm really really enjoying playing OoT again (on 3DS). Can't wait to play master quest for the first time. I also got links awakening but haven't really played it that much.
I'm really looking forward to Skyward Sword. Too bad I have to wait until January to be able to play it. I've been waiting for it so long and now I have to wait even though it's out :-X.
Whats the deal with the 3DS? I haven't seen one in person. Does it make much different to the game or appearance to you?
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I'm really really enjoying playing OoT again (on 3DS). Can't wait to play master quest for the first time. I also got links awakening but haven't really played it that much.
I'm really looking forward to Skyward Sword. Too bad I have to wait until January to be able to play it. I've been waiting for it so long and now I have to wait even though it's out :-X.
Whats the deal with the 3DS? I haven't seen one in person. Does it make much different to the game or appearance to you?
The 3D effect is actually pretty cool and helpful (much easier to judge distances). It also works really well, especially considering you dont need the stupid glasses. I don't always have it turned on though, since I do feel some strain in my eyes after playing with it for a extended period of time. But overall I think it's a really cool system and there are some great games coming out on it :).
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Fuck yeeeaaaah! After playing it off and on since 1992 I finally got around to finding the last three pieces of heart in A Link to the Past yesterday. I think my file is complete now but do any of you know of a site that has an easy-to-understand checklist to verify my file against?
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Fuck yeeeaaaah! After playing it off and on since 1992 I finally got around to finding the last three pieces of heart in A Link to the Past yesterday. I think my file is complete now but do any of you know of a site that has an easy-to-understand checklist to verify my file against?
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda03-a-link-to-the-past-heart-pieces.php
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Fuck yeeeaaaah! After playing it off and on since 1992 I finally got around to finding the last three pieces of heart in A Link to the Past yesterday. I think my file is complete now but do any of you know of a site that has an easy-to-understand checklist to verify my file against?
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda03-a-link-to-the-past-heart-pieces.php
Oh no, I know I have all the pieces of heart. I meant a place to check if all my stuff is at max levels(sword, shield, glove/mitt, armor, etc.) My sword's got a "4" on it on the pause screen so I think I'm good on that but I just wanna see if there's anything else to hunt for. Coincidentally enough, that page you linked is what I used for those last three yesterday lol.
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I'm really really enjoying playing OoT again (on 3DS). Can't wait to play master quest for the first time. I also got links awakening but haven't really played it that much.
I'm really looking forward to Skyward Sword. Too bad I have to wait until January to be able to play it. I've been waiting for it so long and now I have to wait even though it's out :-X.
Whats the deal with the 3DS? I haven't seen one in person. Does it make much different to the game or appearance to you?
The 3D effect is actually pretty cool and helpful (much easier to judge distances). It also works really well, especially considering you dont need the stupid glasses. I don't always have it turned on though, since I do feel some strain in my eyes after playing with it for a extended period of time. But overall I think it's a really cool system and there are some great games coming out on it :).
Interesting. I didn't even know you could turn it off if you wanted to.
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It's great, there's a slider on the right side of the screen, and you can select no 3D, or varying levels of it. I usually just have it boosted a little bit.
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(https://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzv2zxbDXE1qbumrto1_500.jpg)
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^So true :'(
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It's actually not that bad. If you hit "B", it scrolls through all the dialogue very quickly.
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^Definitely not the case on the NES/SNES versions.
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No that's not that bad; what's bad is when you've done that and you finally reach "Do you want to hear what I said again?" and you accidentally press it and have to do it over again. What's worse though is when you keep doing it over and over and over and over and...
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In other news, I have two heart pieces and ten Gold Skulltulas to go on my completionist run of OoT. However, I do still have to beat the Spirit Temple, get the Ice Arrows, and earn the quiver upgrade (#2). I'll have no problem with the Spirit Temple, I'm pretty sure I can get the Ice Arrows, but the Gerudo Archery Course is tough as balls.
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Wait, SS has a release date?!
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Wait, SS has a release date?!
Yea. 18 november in Europe, 20 november in the US.
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Got all the heart pieces, only seven Gold Skulltulas to go. :hat
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Not to sound incredibly creepy but I wish I was watching you play. I never really liked playing zelda myself, I just love watching other people play it. Weird, I know.
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Not at all; my best friend in high school did that when I got Twilight Princess. :lol
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Also, three Skulltulas remaining.
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I never really liked playing zelda myself
That's because it's a boring game.
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Not at all; my best friend in high school did that when I got Twilight Princess. :lol
Woo I'm not the only one!
And Ian, I'm so shocked I don't even want to talk to you right now.
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Woman I told you this before when you visited, don't act all surprised.
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I block out such horrible memories so it's like I'm hearing it fresh all over again.
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OH GLAD TO HEAR THAT WEEKEND WAS SUCH A HORRIBLE MEMORY FOR YOU
:sadpanda:
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Just that bit was horrible. And the sunburn :lol
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ROCK LOBSTER
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I block out such horrible memories so it's like I'm hearing it fresh all over again.
:lol
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I never really liked playing zelda myself
That's because it's a boring game.
wut
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Funny this thread should come up. I have recently been playing Zelda: OoT on Wii, and am enjoying what I played 13 years ago. Luckily, this aged well and recaptured my interest (although not in collecting everything). I must say, OoT on 3DS looks great, and almost makes me want to buy one.
I had an inkling to track down the Wind Waker (never played it), but having to pay $50 for a GCube controller and game turned me off for the time being.
Twilight Princess was really good, and I enjoyed the seemingly never ending battle with Ganon[dorf]. Skyward Sword looks cool, so I am looking forward to that. Hopefully it does not suck.
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I agree. I think it has aged very well.
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So I've settled for a 98% completion. Due to a bug with the item trading quest, I couldn't get the final Deku Nut upgrade; due to the Gerudo Archery Range being fucking impossible, I could not win the final quiver upgrade. Everything else is in the bag.
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I never really liked playing zelda myself
That's because it's a boring game.
Damn it Sigz... first Bioshock and now this?
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I mean I can kinda understand that; after three or four playthroughs, it gets really rather stale.
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LOL DOUBLE POST
Just thought I'd update the thread with the latest Skyward Sword info, courtesy of Zelda Informer, Zelda Universe, and Nintendomination (I have several sources but most of them can be traced to this thread: https://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/future-zelda/120264-skyward-sword-faq-general-discussion-v-4-now-with-100-more-official-release-dates.html):
Three videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPXdUqUO0G8 (Get a little insight into the relationship between Link and Zelda, and a close look at new main villain Lord Ghirahim)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gkdYa0PdxVk (First real look at the beetle in action, improved enemy AI, and really great combat and dungeon music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jzveE1FTNs&feature=channel_video_title (The official Comic Con 2011 trailer with some slightly new goodies)
And some cool new info:
- Triforce plays less of a role, meaning Ganondorf will as well (although it's hinted the game may answer some why's and when's with regards to Ganondorf)
- The harp will take the place of the ocarina
- Zelda is not a princess; she's just a regular friend
- Link will be a student at a special bird-flying knight school
- The game involves lots of mystery elements, including why you can’t quite catch up to Zelda when trying to rescue her.
- Link’s female companion isn’t the sword exactly, but a spirit in the sword
- The E3 battle with Ghirahim is the first time Link comes in contact with him, and you don't know why he's going after Zelda
- You will visit familiar places in Skyward Sword, but they may or may not be part of Hyrule
- The stamina meter (which was introduced last year at E3) pertains to these specific functions: dashing, climbing walls or vines, pushing blocks, and using advanced sword techniques like the Spin Attack. When Link runs out of stamina, he can't fight or use other items and his movement is severely restricted until the meter refills.
- More emphasis on item upgrades means fewer total items in the inventory
- There will be multiple shields and multiple swords, and the Skyward Sword is implied to turn into the Master Sword by your doing (Eiji Anouma: "The Master Sword will be 'born' in this game.")
- The Skyward Sword will help you find treasure and other secrets
- Slash giant mushrooms and they'll release Fungal Spores, which you can capture in your bottle. Rumors say they work like potions and replenish health.
- While Z-targeting an enemy, Link can press the A button to leap in the air. This move is used to dodge low attacks and to set up the Jump Attack, which is performed by swinging the Wii Remote mid-jump.
- There will be a parallel second world much like the Dark World, Adult World, and Twilight World before it; at this time it's called the "Siren World," and you cannot use your sword there
- Gorons are confirmed, as are a new race of beings called Mogma or Monma
- Apparently the boss battle with Ghirahim is tough as nails, and people have described it as a "freer" battle than standard Zelda fare
More updates to come as I slog through this thread! :D
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- The stamina meter (which was introduced last year at E3) pertains to these specific functions: dashing, climbing walls or vines, pushing blocks, and using advanced sword techniques like the Spin Attack. When Link runs out of stamina, he can't fight or use other items and his movement is
god fucking dammit.
I absolutely hate meters like that.
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I'm not happy about it, but I can live with it. All it means is less use of special sword techniques and normal speed running. No big deal imo.
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But what's the point at all?
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Fan forums suggest it's a response to complaints about Zelda being too easy. But hey, that's just word on the street, I have no real idea.
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To me it's always seemed like a feature that's just false difficulty, and penalizing you for being quick. And if it was a matter of trying to make the game more difficult, I'd rather them just you know.....make the game harder.
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True, although the point with the better AI too is hearkening back to earlier games with harder enemies.
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So I'm watching a gameplay video of the Sky Temple (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf462xSbjl8&feature=player_embedded), and by the looks of it the stamina bar refills pretty quickly, as long as you don't completely deplete it.
More bits of info:
- The end of the two most recent trailers seem to depict Ghirahim and Link battling on Skyloft, which the former presumably invades at some point
- Ghirahim is aware of the power of the Skyward Sword, but doesn't consider it a threat, at least at first
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(https://p.twimg.com/AW87VJiCQAAC-vG.jpg)
GIVE ME NEW ZELDA OR GIVE ME DEATH
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Can't wait for this game! ;D
I'm already prepared to devote an entire week to strictly playing this game nonstop until I beat it. The last time I spent awhile playing a video game seriously was around 2007 when Super Mario Galaxy came out, and then Twilight Princess before that. Since those games, I have rarely played any thing... this new one though will surely bring me out of retirement!
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^^ that pic is so cute :laugh:
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I cannot wait to play this game :caffeine:.
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Are any retailers doing a Zelda pre-order special bonus item thing? I WANT MORE ZELDA MERCH! :caffeine:
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Are any retailers doing a Zelda pre-order special bonus item thing? I WANT MORE ZELDA MERCH! :caffeine:
https://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda-news/limited-edition-of-skyward-sword-announced/#more-28409
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FUCK WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO GET BACK TO MY WII.
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Are any retailers doing a Zelda pre-order special bonus item thing? I WANT MORE ZELDA MERCH! :caffeine:
https://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda-news/limited-edition-of-skyward-sword-announced/#more-28409
Oooh... I'm debating whether or not it's worth the extra 20 dollars. :lol
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All I need to know is how much a WMP costs on its own.
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All I need to know is how much a WMP costs on its own.
I think it's about $40. I don't really need another one, although I don't have a wii remote with the built in motion plus, so that could be kinda cool I guess...
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I wonder how long that orchestral CD is.
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Oh, well if I'd need to shell $40 just for the necessary component anyway, I might as well.
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Have you guys read the haunted Majora's Mask creepypasta? I assume most of you have, but in case you haven't:
https://inuscreepystuff.blogspot.com/2010/09/majora.html
It's long, but if you have time to spare, it's worth reading through it. Scary stuff.
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Have you guys read the haunted Majora's Mask creepypasta? I assume most of you have, but in case you haven't:
https://inuscreepystuff.blogspot.com/2010/09/majora.html
It's long, but if you have time to spare, it's worth reading through it. Scary stuff.
Yeah, I stopped following it a while ago. Brother H first introduced me to it in the Videogame chat thread like a year ago.
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That was actually pretty entertaining. Those Elegy of Emptiness statues always creeped me the fuck out. :lol
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Yeah, after I first saw those videos I had to sleep with the light on for the next few nights. :lol
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I kinda skimmed it earlier cos I was in a bit of a rush, but that was pretty damn creepy.
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So, I'm going to post my thoughts about each game in the series. I never played Four Swords Adventures.
The Legend of Zelda - A good game for its time and it introduces many of the major concepts and enemies of the series, but I'm not really a fan of it. I admit that I've never beaten it, but I don't feel much drive to. I love the towns, NPCs, and sidequests from the other games, and this game just lacks that. But it's not a bad game by any means and its rightly called a classic.
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link - My least favorite Zelda game. Sidescrolling just doesn't fit Zelda. Plus Link's sword is just a little dagger with almost no reach. I've never beaten this one either. Some of the music is cool, though, and I guess you have to give Nintendo some credit for trying to not just recreate the first game for its first sequel.
A Link to the Past - Okay, here's where it gets great. This is one of the best games of all time. The overworld is huge and fun to explore, the light and dark world concept is executed very well, the dungeons are awesome, the music is phenomenal, the feel is epic, the graphics are very appealing, and so on. It also has a well-balanced difficulty level. I have nothing but great things to say about it. Something about this game also triggers a big sense of nostalgia.
Link's Awakening - The first and best handheld Zelda game. It was nice to set it outside of Hyrule. Another great overworld, and more awesome dungeon and puzzle designs. The characters and enemies are fun and there's a quirky sense of humor throughout. The story is actually quite strange/sad and makes me feel a little weird, honestly, with the whole dream world and waking the fish concept. But this is definitely a highlight of the series and pretty huge for a Game Boy game from 1993. I never played the DX version.
That's enough for now. :D
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TAOL is fucking hard as balls. Like you said, his sword is so small that you have to be standing directly next to something in order to damage it at all. I think I made it to the first dungeon/cave and eventually just gave up.
I HATE THAT GAME
But Link's Awakening is awesome. :tup
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TAOL is fucking hard as balls. Like you said, his sword is so small that you have to be standing directly next to something in order to damage it at all. I think I made it to the first dungeon/cave and eventually just gave up.
I HATE THAT GAME
https://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/702460
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TAOL is fucking hard as balls. Like you said, his sword is so small that you have to be standing directly next to something in order to damage it at all. I think I made it to the first dungeon/cave and eventually just gave up.
I HATE THAT GAME
But Link's Awakening is awesome. :tup
Pretty much that.
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TAOL is fucking hard as balls. Like you said, his sword is so small that you have to be standing directly next to something in order to damage it at all. I think I made it to the first dungeon/cave and eventually just gave up.
I HATE THAT GAME
But Link's Awakening is awesome. :tup
Pretty much that.
I have always enjoyed Zelda II. I do know it is very different the others, and is similar in departure as Castlevania II, without being any where near as misleading.
I personally never had a problem with the challenge. In the beginning, especially when going through death mountain, being careful is essential. But I never thought of the game unbearably difficult. Maybe it is compared some other Zelda titles. But Zelda II hard in the grand scheme of NES? Try Ninja Gaiden or Battletoads and report back!
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According to Zelda Universe and by extension Zelda Dungeon, a Nintendo-oriented magazine called NGamer is going to be releasing a new bit of information on SS next month. According to their calculations, it'll probably be the last bit of pre-release info we get.
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Continuing on with my ramblings:
Ocarina of Time - Well, what can be said about this one. Widely considered one of the best games of all time, and for good reason. There are really no flaws to speak of. You really feel like you're in another world with its own history and culture. The game strikes a good balance between lighthearted and dark elements, with some really funny stuff (Darunia's dancing) and really creepy stuff (Bottom of the Well, Shadow Temple). The Gorons and Zoras were great additions to the series. Ganondorf is a threatening villain. It's also challenging in a good way. Of course, the scope and graphics were just great for 1998, and the soundtrack is legendary. Yup.
Majora's Mask - Maybe the strangest Zelda game; it's just filled with bizarre stuff. Tingle was introduced here...'nuff said. At first the 3 days time limit was a bit offputting, but I mostly got used to it. Clock Town is a very fun place and the missions for the masks are cool. The mood (and moon!) of this game is pretty unsettling in a neat way. Even though a lot of things were reused from OOT, it doesn't feel like a rehash because its style and gameplay are different. All in all its a very worthy sequel to OOT.
More later.
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https://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/702460
Ok, that was annoying at times but he pretty much summed up all my thoughts about that game. There was no exploration in the overworld, it was just a means to get from point to point. The dungeons were alright, not overly hard until the last couple. This is one game I beat as a kid, but couldn’t get through all the way when I revisited a couple years ago when they released that gamecube disc with old Zelda games. It just wasn’t very fun.
And lol at his ‘review’ on the NES version of ‘Dragon’s Lair.’ Getting in to the castle was so tough I thought the princess or whatever would have been right inside the gate. Did anyone seriously get as far as he did in that game?
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I don't understand the hate for Twilight Princess. Sure, it's no OoT, but I still thought it was pretty damn good.
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I don't understand the hate for Twilight Princess. Sure, it's no OoT, but I still thought it was pretty damn good.
I wasn't aware TP was hated at all. I thought the fan/critic reaction was generally pretty positive (aside from maybe the gimmicky wii controls).
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Yeah, TP was pretty cool, albeit fairly easy
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I don't understand the hate for Twilight Princess. Sure, it's no OoT, but I still thought it was pretty damn good.
I wasn't aware TP was hated at all. I thought the fan/critic reaction was generally pretty positive (aside from maybe the gimmicky wii controls).
Well, good to see it hasn't infected DTF then. :lol I dunno, I see a lot of hate for it in forums and fan communities mainly focused around Zelda. Oddly enough the favored son is Wind Wanker.
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Hmm.. Wind Waker is definitely underated, but I don't think I would say it is my favorite by any means. Top 5 maybe.
But TP is also in my top 5.
INFACT
OoT
Majora's Mask
TP
WW
Link's Awakening
Something like that
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I really didn't like the wolf aspect of TP. That added nothing to the game for me. Playing as a Deku/Goron/Zora at least added depth to the story of MM and changed up the game play in an interesting way.
I didn't mind the phantom zone thing, but thought it could have been done better. And the plot I really didn't get at all. It could have something to do with I was playing it right after my daughter was born and was not running at 100% mental capacity, but I never really felt like I had a good sense of what was going on, which had never happed with another Zelda game.
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Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons - Probably the most underrated Zelda games. Really, they're just a lot of fun and carry on the tradition of Link's Awakening well. They kind of blur together in my head and are pretty equal in quality, but I think I prefer Seasons. The underground world of Subrosia from Seasons is one of my favorite parts. I also like the skull pirate guys. The animal helpers are a fun little addition. Yeah, Veran and Onox aren't the greatest villains (Veran is better), but the games are hijacked by good ol' Ganon anyway. I wish more people played these well-designed games.
The Wind Waker - My favorite Zelda game and my favorite game of all time. The bright, colorful cel-shaded graphics were a refreshing change of pace, and a flooded Hyrule was somewhat of a daring story/gameplay idea. I greatly enjoyed the sailing and discovering new islands. I love how expansive, immersive, and full of secrets the overworld is. The game really has a great atmosphere. The Koroks are a really cool species (Makar is awesome). Tetra and the Pirates are also amusing characters. One of my favorite parts is taking pictures of enemies and characters and making figurines out of them. Of course, the final battle is really awesome and dramatic. And the music is very good!
To be continued.
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I don't understand the hate for Twilight Princess. Sure, it's no OoT, but I still thought it was pretty damn good.
TP is easily my second favourite behind OoT. It got better the more I played it, especially as I explored the map more. My main issue with it is that many of the items felt kind of useless past the dungeon they were designed for (aside from the odd section here and there). It didn't feel as well designed in that area as OoT.
I didn't think Wind Waker was too good though. The graphical style was horrid and ruined any atmosphere the game could have had, and looked amateurish. The gameplay was solid though, and the few dungeons it had were actually amazing with some really unique and creative ideas, but then it was cut short for the last 1/3 of the game, which was just sailing, the one thing that destroyed the chance the game every had of being great. Curse the sailing.
If the game was longer, didn't jump on the cel shading bandwagon, and had significantly less sailing (like maybe 20% at most), it would have been great.
I don't know why that turned into a Wind Waker rant. :lol
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The Minish Cap - Just a fun game, period. It has a really enjoyable whimsical, lighthearted feel to it. There are tons of NPCs to blab to, which I always enjoy. I like fusing Kinstones. Shrinking down to Minish size is a great feature. Vaati is a pretty cool villain and Ezlo is an amusing companion. My only real qualms are that its pretty easy and short, but those are minor nitpicks.
Twilight Princess - At first I was pretty disappointed in this. Something about it just felt off and not Zelda-like to me. But then I grew to love it. It's interesting how similar it is to Okami. One negative is that the music, while good, isn't as great as most of the other games. I played this one on the Gamecube, which it was developed for. Link is left-handed in that one like he should be, dagnabit. The dungeons in this one are very atmospheric: Arbiter's Grounds, City in the Sky, etc. Kind of an eerie game, really. Midna's pretty cool, and Zant's alright. Some nice graphics, too.
Almost done.
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H's controversial Zelda opinion #1 - TWW has the best graphics of any Zelda game by a long shot.
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TWW's graphics are awesome, I feel like that game had a great thing going. Sailing is cool but you need to do it so much that it gets kind of cumbersome.
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You get the warping song relatively early in the game.
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I think SS's will be the best. Although I'll concede that no graphics could've fit the mood of TWW better.
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Phantom Hourglass - This game is pretty good, but seems a bit lacking compared to most of the series. The dungeons/puzzles are mostly too easy, Linebeck sort of gets on my nerves, and going through the Temple of the Ocean King several times is a chore. The soundtrack is also very disappointing. But despite all that, it's not bad overall. The Anouki were a cool and amusing new species. Not earth-shattering (its stylus use is innovative, I suppose), but an okay game nonetheless.
Spirit Tracks - I thought this was a big improvement over PH, especially the soundtrack, which is excellent. Traveling by train is unique and fun, and having to avoid other trains gives a constant sense of danger. Zelda having a major role as a sidekick was a great idea. Cole and Byrne are also pretty nifty. I spent a lot of time collecting stuff to trade in for new parts to customize the train. This game actually has some difficult parts, such as the trains in the Dark Realm. So, all in all, it's a really fun game.
It's hard to rank these...
1. The Wind Waker
2. Ocarina of Time
3. A Link to the Past
4. Twilight Princess
5. Link's Awakening
6. Majora's Mask
7. The Minish Cap
8. Oracle of Seasons
9. Oracle of Ages
10. Spirit Tracks
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11. Phantom Hourglass
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12. The Legend of Zelda
13. The Adventure of Link
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Tal Tal Heights song FTW.
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I really liked Phantom Hourglass, but it was the first DS game I ever played, and I haven't played Spirit Tracks yet. I didn't mind Linebeck,and I thought the temple of the ocean king was actually one of the hardest dungeons in Zelda (because of the time limit).
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The Temple of the Ocean King was hard and sometimes frustrating, but I don't remember the other dungeons being much of a problem. The enemies in newer Zelda games don't pose much of a threat compared to games like the original LOZ and ALTTP.
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Tal Tal Heights song FTW.
Link's Awakening has my favorite Zelda concept, although it's not my favorite game.
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Got the 3D version of Ocarina of Time and my 3DS turning up soon. Can't wait :caffeine:
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Just watched part of the intro sequence for Skyward Sword. This game is gonna be incredible.
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Got the 3D version of Ocarina of Time and my 3DS turning up soon. Can't wait :caffeine:
SO JEALOUS
I think I'll just wait until they release one with a better battery, but I want to play OOT3D so much. :-[
And yes, Skyward Sword is gonna be incredible. I really like the art style too.
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Got the 3D version of Ocarina of Time and my 3DS turning up soon. Can't wait :caffeine:
SO JEALOUS
I think I'll just wait until they release one with a better battery, but I want to play OOT3D so much. :-[
And yes, Skyward Sword is gonna be incredible. I really like the art style too.
Dude, my 3ds takes forever to run out of battery.
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I read the battery life was 5 hours ???
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Got the 3D version of Ocarina of Time and my 3DS turning up soon. Can't wait :caffeine:
With any luck I'll have it next month :)
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I read the battery life was 5 hours ???
3-5 hours depending on screen brightness, Wi-Fi, volume, and 3D
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Just watched part of the intro sequence for Skyward Sword. This game is gonna be incredible.
That and all the other new info that spilled the last couple days are seriously amping the hype.
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I just bought a lobster shirt like the one Link wears in Wind Waker. :metal
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Oh my.
https://kotaku.com/5844992/skydiving-and-swordplay-abound-in-skyward-swords-dramatic-new-trailer
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Oh my.
https://kotaku.com/5844992/skydiving-and-swordplay-abound-in-skyward-swords-dramatic-new-trailer
That was awesome :omg:
Definitely borrowing someone's Wii for this... :hat
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Nice to see the double hookshot back. Hopefully this game is more challenging than TP was, although still a great game.
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From what I've heard and seen, you'll get your wish. That Stalfos miniboss looks like a sonuvabitch.
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Zelda Dungeon is currently a treasure trove of new information. I'm not even gonna bother transcribing and linking it to here, there's just way too much to take in.
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Horse riding that involves jumping over things in OOT never fails to piss me off. If your angle of approach is off by ONE DEGREE, BAM. Instant stop. And the worst part is it feels like it takes an eternity to make your horse sloowwwwwly turn around to get around the jump or try again.
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Todes. TTP ftw in that respect.
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Horse riding that involves jumping over things in OOT never fails to piss me off. If your angle of approach is off by ONE DEGREE, BAM. Instant stop. And the worst part is it feels like it takes an eternity to make your horse sloowwwwwly turn around to get around the jump or try again.
Agreed.
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So excite for Skyward Sword.
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So my copy of 3d ocarina of time arrived today but not my 3ds!
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https://www.zeldadungeon.net/2011/10/legend-of-zelda-exclusive-origins-trailer/#more-22348
I came.
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Is the game unfinished or are the graphics just going to be plain as hell? Twilight Princess had a lot more atmosphere than that.
Gameplay wise, it looks really interesting though. When Nintendo first showed some pics forever ago, I thought it was going to just be rehash, but some of the gameplay looked really interesting. It's a shame I do not own a Wee to play it. :(
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Y'know I actually really like the graphics. I don't think that video is such a great example, but imo it's a helluva lot better than Wind Wanker.
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:lol
These graphics don't look bad (especially not THAT bad), they just look clean and a bit sterile from what I can see in that video, although that might be the look they're going for. Maybe the video doesn't do justice to the game, and they're certainly not a deterrent. The gameplay looks good enough to get me interested, and it's a minor nitpick anyway.
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I think they're going for the cel-shaded look. I like it from what I've seen so far, a nice contrast to the very dark TP.
Wouldn't mind if the next Zelda game was more "realistic" looking though, but honestly the graphics are always the least important thing to me in a zelda game.
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The Wind Waker (not "Wanker" >:() has awesome graphics. I'm not sold on the Skyward Sword look yet, but maybe I'll change my mind when I play it. I was hoping for a more realistic style now, but oh well.
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https://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-origins-zelda-skyward/723206
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Wow...we've got the harp, the magic carpet salesman in Gerudo Desert, and possibly the wind fish...
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I just got into Zelda. I played Wind Waker until I got frustrated with the idea of having to go get all the parts of the map so that I could go get all the triforce pieces.
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Why does that bother everyone? I had NO problems with that part of the game, and then I go online and learn that it's like, the most hated thing ever in the history of video games. Sometimes I feel like I'm from another planet.
Sorry, but I just get tired of having wildly different opinions. :sad:
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I'm on level 9 of the original, quest 1. Level 9 is a gigantic pain in the ass.
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I'm on level 9 of the original, quest 1. Level 9 is a gigantic pain in the ass.
Definitely. I don't think I've beaten it without a map. And unless you have sword beams, the Patra are a huge chore to deal with.
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Going to be so awesome :dangerwillrobinson:.
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I just got into Zelda. I played Wind Waker until I got frustrated with the idea of having to go get all the parts of the map so that I could go get all the triforce pieces.
Don't worry, you missed nothing after that. That's basically the end of the game. It's a disappointingly short game drawn out with endless sailing, which is a shame, because it had the potential to be a great game with how good some of those dungeons were.
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I just got into Zelda. I played Wind Waker until I got frustrated with the idea of having to go get all the parts of the map so that I could go get all the triforce pieces.
Don't worry, you missed nothing after that. That's basically the end of the game. It's a disappointingly short game drawn out with endless sailing, which is a shame, because it had the potential to be a great game with how good some of those dungeons were.
The sailing is really not that bad unless you're into doing all the sidequests. You get the warping song fairly early in the game. IIRC, there's only two long trips you have to make before that point.
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I just got into Zelda. I played Wind Waker until I got frustrated with the idea of having to go get all the parts of the map so that I could go get all the triforce pieces.
Don't worry, you missed nothing after that. That's basically the end of the game. It's a disappointingly short game drawn out with endless sailing, which is a shame, because it had the potential to be a great game with how good some of those dungeons were.
The sailing is really not that bad unless you're into doing all the sidequests. You get the warping song fairly early in the game. IIRC, there's only two long trips you have to make before that point.
The sailing song definitely makes the general sailing from dungeon to dungeon not so bad (although still annoying and pointless), but the sailing for the last 1/3 of the game for the triforce pieces is still a tedious chore at best, and a bit of a kick in the face right when the game is finally actually getting good.
For me a lot of the fun of Zelda games is exploring, but the sailing really ruins that aspect for me. The ocean is just a big expanse of nothing, with a few enemies thrown in as contrived gameplay and difficulty, and instead of being rewarded in dungeons for exploring with heart pieces, I'm given the punishment of even more sailing to get the heart piece. I think I ended up getting only one or two heart pieces because it was just so damn boring and frustrating to have to sail anywhere. It's just not fun at all, and makes the game feel like a big empty map. The game felt unfinished and incomplete.
It just can't compete with the other Zelda games with their large maps to explore, that are so much more fun to play.
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I just got into Zelda. I played Wind Waker until I got frustrated with the idea of having to go get all the parts of the map so that I could go get all the triforce pieces.
Don't worry, you missed nothing after that. That's basically the end of the game. It's a disappointingly short game drawn out with endless sailing, which is a shame, because it had the potential to be a great game with how good some of those dungeons were.
The sailing is really not that bad unless you're into doing all the sidequests. You get the warping song fairly early in the game. IIRC, there's only two long trips you have to make before that point.
The sailing song definitely makes the general sailing from dungeon to dungeon not so bad (although still annoying and pointless), but the sailing for the last 1/3 of the game for the triforce pieces is still a tedious chore at best, and a bit of a kick in the face right when the game is finally actually getting good.
For me a lot of the fun of Zelda games is exploring, but the sailing really ruins that aspect for me. The ocean is just a big expanse of nothing, with a few enemies thrown in as contrived gameplay and difficulty, and instead of being rewarded in dungeons for exploring with heart pieces, I'm given the punishment of even more sailing to get the heart piece. I think I ended up getting only one or two heart pieces because it was just so damn boring and frustrating to have to sail anywhere. It's just not fun at all, and makes the game feel like a big empty map. The game felt unfinished and incomplete.
It just can't compete with the other Zelda games with their large maps to explore, that are so much more fun to play.
I couldn't disagree with you more. The sailing was always fun as there was islands to discover, enemy ships to fight, outposts to attack, and much much more.
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A lot of those islands were fairly pointless, and you had to play the wind song and go to a lot of trouble to get to them. I don't see how a few isolated islands is better than an entire map of stuff to explore in every other Zelda game.
And the enemy ships and random bombs and such just felt like Nintendo realized how boring and monotonous the sailing was, and threw in some random enemies. As I said, it feels completely like contrived gameplay. It served very little purpose other than busy work.
In Ocarina of Time, everything felt like it was there for a reason, and tied into the game somehow. It wasn't just shooting things for the sake of doing something while waiting for the wind to carry you across flat blue water.
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A lot of those islands were fairly pointless, and you had to play the wind song and go to a lot of trouble to get to them. I don't see how a few isolated islands is better than an entire map of stuff to explore in every other Zelda game.
And the enemy ships and random bombs and such just felt like Nintendo realized how boring and monotonous the sailing was, and threw in some random enemies. As I said, it feels completely like contrived gameplay. It served very little purpose other than busy work.
In Ocarina of Time, everything felt like it was there for a reason, and tied into the game somehow. It wasn't just shooting things for the sake of doing something while waiting for the wind to carry you across flat blue water.
God Ocarina of Time up in here. To me WW is vastly superior, as randomly generated enemies, unlike what you're saying to make cover up how bad something is, was meant to you know, spice up your sailing with engaging battle, also most islands had something unique or something to obtain from them, you can't tell me riding across a tiny plain on a horse or even worse when you had to run across is more fun than sailing the Seven Seas with infinitely much more to do. Also there was treasure hunting, sidequests, and the dungeons were amazing, along with the story.
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The main reason I didn't mind the triforce hunting part of WW is that it bored me to the point of checking out other islands and doing sidequests. The video game reverse psychology'd me.
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A lot of those islands were fairly pointless, and you had to play the wind song and go to a lot of trouble to get to them. I don't see how a few isolated islands is better than an entire map of stuff to explore in every other Zelda game.
And the enemy ships and random bombs and such just felt like Nintendo realized how boring and monotonous the sailing was, and threw in some random enemies. As I said, it feels completely like contrived gameplay. It served very little purpose other than busy work.
In Ocarina of Time, everything felt like it was there for a reason, and tied into the game somehow. It wasn't just shooting things for the sake of doing something while waiting for the wind to carry you across flat blue water.
God Ocarina of Time up in here. To me WW is vastly superior, as randomly generated enemies, unlike what you're saying to make cover up how bad something is, was meant to you know, spice up your sailing with engaging battle, also most islands had something unique or something to obtain from them, you can't tell me riding across a tiny plain on a horse or even worse when you had to run across is funner than sailing the Seven Seas with infinitely much more to do. Also there was treasure hunting, sidequests, and the dungeons were amazing, along with the story.
Yes, the dungeons were amazing. All three of them that it made you play repeatedly before it gave up and made you sail for the last third of the game.
Getting to anywhere in OoT was infinitely more fun. You rode across Hyrule field on a horse, you could roll into trees to see if anything was in them, you could lift rocks to find holes for money and stuff, at night time you had the respawning skeleton dudes and poes, and it wasn't just a 2 mile square of plain cel shaded blue. Then you had all of the other areas you had to go through to get anywhere. I could plant beans as a kid then come back as an adult and get heart pieces, there were bugs to catch, secret places to hookshot to, skulltulas to search out at night. If you slowed down for a second anywhere, there would always be something to do that would actually aid you in the game.
In Wind Waker, I had to play the same song to change the wind direction, then put up a sail, then wait. I actually used to take a piss break while sailing between islands, I kid you not. Point it in a direction, and just leave it. Nothing happened. Maybe a random ship would shoot at me, then disappear behind me. Maybe I'd miss pressing a jump button for an arbitrarily placed bomb that only appeared to get in my way, rather than to serve the gameplay.
Wind Waker was an incomplete game, and while the good bits were great, it was forgotten between the afterthoughts.
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A lot of those islands were fairly pointless, and you had to play the wind song and go to a lot of trouble to get to them. I don't see how a few isolated islands is better than an entire map of stuff to explore in every other Zelda game.
And the enemy ships and random bombs and such just felt like Nintendo realized how boring and monotonous the sailing was, and threw in some random enemies. As I said, it feels completely like contrived gameplay. It served very little purpose other than busy work.
In Ocarina of Time, everything felt like it was there for a reason, and tied into the game somehow. It wasn't just shooting things for the sake of doing something while waiting for the wind to carry you across flat blue water.
God Ocarina of Time up in here. To me WW is vastly superior, as randomly generated enemies, unlike what you're saying to make cover up how bad something is, was meant to you know, spice up your sailing with engaging battle, also most islands had something unique or something to obtain from them, you can't tell me riding across a tiny plain on a horse or even worse when you had to run across is funner than sailing the Seven Seas with infinitely much more to do. Also there was treasure hunting, sidequests, and the dungeons were amazing, along with the story.
Yes, the dungeons were amazing. All three of them that it made you play repeatedly before it gave up and made you sail for the last third of the game.
Getting to anywhere in OoT was infinitely more fun. You rode across Hyrule field on a horse, you could roll into trees to see if anything was in them, you could lift rocks to find holes for money and stuff, at night time you had the respawning skeleton dudes and poes, and it wasn't just a 2 mile square of plain cel shaded blue. Then you had all of the other areas you had to go through to get anywhere. I could plant beans as a kid then come back as an adult and get heart pieces, there were bugs to catch, secret places to hookshot to, skulltulas to search out at night. If you slowed down for a second anywhere, there would always be something to do that would actually aid you in the game.
In Wind Waker, I had to play the same song to change the wind direction, then put up a sail, then wait. I actually used to take a piss break while sailing between islands, I kid you not. Point it in a direction, and just leave it. Nothing happened. Maybe a random ship would shoot at me, then disappear behind me. Maybe I'd miss pressing a jump button for an arbitrarily placed bomb that only appeared to get in my way, rather than to serve the gameplay.
Wind Waker was an incomplete game, and while the good bits were great, it was forgotten between the afterthoughts.
Holy balls, you couldn't be more wrong. All that stuff about OoT you said, Wind Waker implemented it in the form of smaller islands, or perhaps side quests, or hell even submarines. I can't begin to count all the islands with little mini dungeon like area's. It's horrifyingly obvious that we completely disagree about the game, so I'm not going to waste time arguing with you when I should actually be getting to bed for classes in the morning. One last question though, do you plan on getting Skyward Sword? As they've basically been describing it as a WW like game. :L I for one know I'm gonna love the hell out of it, and it may even top Wind Waker for me.
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Okay, TWW's boating system has a few lousy issues. I still think you're forgetting some things that makes it awesome though. The islands. The pirates. The watchtowers. Yes it is a bit big, and things are tedious. But don't pretend that OOT doesn't have problems. Horseback controls and physics are awful. Hyrule Field is small. 95% of the underground holes look exactly the same (chest of rupees, puddle of water with a fish, gossip stone).
I don't see how TWW is an incomplete game. It has fewer dungeons, but so what? It probably has just as many sidequests as Majora's Mask (which only had 4 dungeons by the way, most of them crappy). It has the flaw of the triforce hunt, which can actually be seen as a good thing...more to do! You had to hunt those f'ers down...it was an actual treasure hunt. You actually needed Rupees in a Zelda game. Zelda was missing that "I-don't-know-where-the-eff-I-have-to-go" gameplay since the NES games, really. TWW synthesized all the unique elements that made the previous games great together to make it what it is.
In general, TWW and OOT are both awesome games. Incredible games. Perfect dungeons, epic fights and challenges, great stories. I'd say both are 10/10 games.
I'll hand it to you that OOT has basically no flaws...save one. Cruddy controls. TWW gave you control over the camera, and smoothed everything out. Which brings me back to what I originally said: both games share the throne of "greatest Zelda game".
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I don't own a Wii, so I won't be getting Skyward Sword for now. I'm sure the comparison with WW has nothing to do with sailing though, and aside from that, I liked Wind Waker. It's just a shame the sailing was such an integral part of the gameplay, and it was such a tiny game.
From what I've seen of Skyward Sword, it looks like a more straightforward Zelda game, so I'd probably love it. Whenever they try to mess around with the core gameplay and style too much is when they're at their weakest imo, such as Majora's Mask and Wind Waker.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Wind Waker was still a very enjoyable game overall, despite my immense hatred for the sailing, but I like Zelda games when they innovate in other ways instead.
And I'd also like to point out that I played Wind Waker and Twilight Princess back to back, then played OoT directly afterwards, and it still held up amazingly. It has a few minor niggles here and there, like the twitchy horse that liked to stop for no reason, but it is still a masterpiece of a game that they haven't topped since. Wind Waker is not in the same league for many reasons.
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I hear you. MM and TWW are cool games for a seasoned Zelda player to dabble in, since they are so different from the rest, but most people don't think they compare to the others.
But when it comes to comparing Zelda games, it's tough. Frankly, I enjoy playing TWW, even the sailing parts. It's not an intense game. It's relaxing to me, and I love it exactly for that.
OOT has a more classic, epic feel to it, and maybe you get more out of that element of gameplay than I do.
I don't dislike any Zelda game, really (except maybe OOA). I know SS will not disappoint. But I don't have a Wii and have no plans to get one. :(
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MM is one of those games I want to like, and feel I should like, but don't. It's basically half recycled from my favourite game of all time. :lol But that 3 day cycle thing has really stopped me getting into it despite repeated attempts at it. One day I'll try it again.
Wind Waker I had no problem playing through. Some of the dungeons were among the most creative in any Zelda game, and I loved them. But the sailing watered that down (no pun intended), along with the repeated plays of the same dungeon, and the simple graphics and pirate theme lacked atmosphere. It's a game I enjoyed and would definitely play again, but it's no higher than 3rd place for me well behind OOT and TTP.
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I loved Wind Waker, in gameplay and definitely in art style. I know when I go for simpler character designs (as with my comics) Wind Waker's style was actually a big influence for me!
Overall, ranking the 3D Zelda games for me would go something like:
Ocarina of Time
Wind Waker
Twilight Princess
Majora's Mask
Would be looking forward to Skyward Sword if I had a Wii.
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Would be looking forward to Skyward Sword if I had a Wii.
Get a Wii! They're great!
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Ranking time:
The Wind Waker
Ocarina of Time
Twilight Princess
The Minish Cap
Majora's Mask (messy dungeons, lousy field)
Oracle of Seasons
Spirit Tracks (better than OOS in every way except for that stupid last phantom dungeon)
Link's Awakening
A Link to the Past (the reason it's so low is due to the repetitive music and AWFUL sound effects, otherwise great)
The Adventure of Link
Four Swords Adventures
Phantom Hourglass
The Legend of Zelda
Four Swords (can't really remember, but really short and not very innovative or deep)
Oracle of Ages (simply not fun, very uninspiring)
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So because Switzerland for some reason got Zelda the same day as Skyrim, Skyward Sword can be considered "leaked" across Europe. As a result, a lot of spoilerific material has come out in the last couple days, including the last few hours of the game (which has unfortunately been taken down for obvious legal reasons). Without spoiling too much, I'd just like to say
(https://www.gifbin.com/bin/1233928590_citizen%20kane%20clapping.gif)
to Eiji Anouma and Shigeru Miyamoto for a real masterpiece of a game. Brilliant characters wrapped up in a great story that answers quite a few questions about the rest of the series.
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So because Switzerland for some reason got Zelda the same day as Skyrim, Skyward Sword can be considered "leaked" across Europe. As a result, a lot of spoilerific material has come out in the last couple days, including the last few hours of the game (which has unfortunately been taken down for obvious legal reasons). Without spoiling too much, I'd just like to say
(https://www.gifbin.com/bin/1233928590_citizen%20kane%20clapping.gif)
to Eiji Anouma and Shigeru Miyamoto for a real masterpiece of a game. Brilliant characters wrapped up in a great story that answers quite a few questions about the rest of the series.
This is seriously going to be GOTY for me. It just looks amazing. My friend who REVIEWS(yeah him) got a promo copy and did a little review on a forum we frequent and he admins. He doesn't like it much, but he didn't like Skyrim either, so I just don't trust him for reviews ever from now on haha
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I've said this before, but the things I've learned today about SS confirm it: Skyrim will be my gameplay and immersion fix for this year in gaming, and SS will be my story fix.
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I just wonder what Ganon's up to!
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Really? I was pretty tired of him to be honest, as was much of the fan base. But don't worry, he doesn't make an appearance, but he gets a nice foreshadowing in the ending.
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Why would you want to know how the game ends before playing it? :lol
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Why would you want to know how the game ends before playing it? :lol
Seriously. :lol
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It was from a playthrough. I may or may not buy it, because the game looks awesome but I don't exactly have $70 lying around. So I figured I might as well.
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Gamespot was a little harsh on Skyward Sword. Kind of a crap score (7.5) considering the reviews every where else. Also considering the complaint of being stale does obviously not apply to Madden or Call of Duty games. I do not get the control complaint when every other review I have read said it was a wonderful new addition.
Will not influence my purchase, when valuing other reviews.
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Just watched a playthrough of SS...well, sorta. I just watched all the major cutscenes and boss battles. And from what I can tell....this is the best Zelda game, without a doubt. It's got the charm and emotions of Wind Waker, the well-designed cutscenes of Twilight Princess, the character development and interactions of Majora's Mask, and of course the epicness and classic feel of Ocarina of Time. And it answers a LOT of timeline questions.
MAJOR SPOILERS: At the end of the game, Link and Zelda start the Royal Family on the surface...there are clearly romantic clues throughout the game. For the first time in a 3d game, Link obtains the whole Triforce (the only other time is in The Adventure of Link). The Hylian crest features a red bird....derived from Link's bird in SS. The harp in OoT that is used by Impa and Sheik is the harp of the goddess. It is revealed that the Ganondorf/Ganon in future games is an incarnation of Demise, the final boss, which gives credence to the "mulitple Ganon" timeline theory. Each Zelda is an incarnation of the goddess Hylia (and actually is the goddess herself in SS). And every Link is an incarnation of the spirit of the hero.
I have to get a Wii. I'm seriously considering shelling out $200+ dollars just for this game. Selling the Gamecube and a bunch of games should get me there...
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I've been a huge Zelda fan since I was a kid, and I'm so excited about Skyward Sword. I had preordered the gold Wii Remote bundle, but unfortunately I've had to cancel that for financial reasons. I guess I'll have to borrow it from a friend.
I recently re-picked up Spirit Tracks after not playing it for a year. I was not all that impressed with Phantom Hourglass and was eager to give Spirit Tracks a run after hearing how it had fixed a bunch of the issues with PH. I'm just approaching the end of the game now, and it feels like I'm finishing it just to finish it. I don't really care for the train system whatsoever, and I have no real connection to the story or the characters or the world as a whole, to be honest. It feels like I've been invited over to dinner at someone's house who I'm trying to make a good impression on, and I'm struggling to finish the meal to be polite. I'm finishing it because I feel like I have to, not necessarily because I want to.
Here's an approximation of how I'd rank the Zelda games I've played (all of them except 4 Swords Adventure on the Gamecube, and the shitty CD-i ones). I'm not going to include Four Swords on the GBA since it's pretty much a tacked-on side quest that you can finish in an hour or two.
A Link to the Past
Ocarina of Time
Twilight Princess
Wind Waker
Link's Awakening
Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda
Minish Cap
Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Majora's Mask
Spirit Tracks
Phantom Hourglass
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I loved Spirit Tracks...I think that it and Minish Cap are amazing handhelds. Although I agree that Phantom Hourglass is pretty terrible.
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And the prelude to the final fight is really challenging....you basically have to fight a bunch of those zombie trains. It's probably the hardest Zelda fight since Majora's Mask.
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I'm in the "favorite is Wind Waker" camp.
Just watched a playthrough of SS...well, sorta. I just watched all the major cutscenes and boss battles. And from what I can tell....this is the best Zelda game, without a doubt. It's got the charm and emotions of Wind Waker, the well-designed cutscenes of Twilight Princess, the character development and interactions of Majora's Mask, and of course the epicness and classic feel of Ocarina of Time. And it answers a LOT of timeline questions.
Gah. I want to ask for specifics so you can back these up, but it might be a bit too early for those kinds of spoilers.
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And the prelude to the final fight is really challenging....you basically have to fight a bunch of those zombie trains. It's probably the hardest Zelda fight since Majora's Mask.
I haven't got to that part yet. I'm at the Tower of Spirits after finishing the Fire Temple. I hated those enemy trains though, so I'm not looking forward to this.
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Bought SS for my brother-in-law for Christmas with the intention of borrowing it when he is done. Knowing him, he'll complete the game 100% by Valentine's Day.
I'm in the "favorite is Wind Waker" camp.
Is that the camp where all the kids are bored and frustrated that they don’t have time for arts and crafts, archery, and other sports because they spend all their time sailing? :D
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I'm in the "favorite is Wind Waker" camp.
Just watched a playthrough of SS...well, sorta. I just watched all the major cutscenes and boss battles. And from what I can tell....this is the best Zelda game, without a doubt. It's got the charm and emotions of Wind Waker, the well-designed cutscenes of Twilight Princess, the character development and interactions of Majora's Mask, and of course the epicness and classic feel of Ocarina of Time. And it answers a LOT of timeline questions.
Gah. I want to ask for specifics so you can back these up, but it might be a bit too early for those kinds of spoilers.
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Just watched a playthrough of SS...well, sorta. I just watched all the major cutscenes and boss battles. And from what I can tell....this is the best Zelda game, without a doubt. It's got the charm and emotions of Wind Waker, the well-designed cutscenes of Twilight Princess, the character development and interactions of Majora's Mask, and of course the epicness and classic feel of Ocarina of Time. And it answers a LOT of timeline questions.
MAJOR SPOILERS: At the end of the game, Link and Zelda start the Royal Family on the surface...there are clearly romantic clues throughout the game. For the first time in a 3d game, Link obtains the whole Triforce (the only other time is in The Adventure of Link). The Hylian crest features a red bird....derived from Link's bird in SS. The harp in OoT that is used by Impa and Sheik is the harp of the goddess. It is revealed that the Ganondorf/Ganon in future games is an incarnation of Demise, the final boss, which gives credence to the "mulitple Ganon" timeline theory. Each Zelda is an incarnation of the goddess Hylia (and actually is the goddess herself in SS). And every Link is an incarnation of the spirit of the hero.
I have to get a Wii. I'm seriously considering shelling out $200+ dollars just for this game. Selling the Gamecube and a bunch of games should get me there...
I don't think it's multiple Ganons though; for example, I think the Ganons in TP and WW are the same one as from OoT. Maybe the Ganon the TLoZ/AoL/ALttP are another Ganon, but I think those former are the same one. I think that ending quote is referring to the fact that Link and Zelda are afterwards beset upon by a number of villains, from Ganon to Vaati.
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I HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS
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Dude, I agree that OoT/WW/TP feature the same Ganon. I was mostly referring to the gameboy/nes/snes/Four Swords ones. There's a quote by the Four Sword Ganon where he says he's an ancient demon reborn or something like that.
Could be that Demise is reborn in some of the other villains...but in lots of cases they are working alongside Ganon. For example Agahnim, Vaati, and Zant are all bad dudes but they are Ganon's lackeys and not Ganon himself, so I don't think they could also be an incarnation of Demise.
But yeah, I guess it wouldn't change the timeline that much if Demise was embodied in all of the Zelda villains. I do think that the multiple Ganon thing does help the timeline theorist, because IIRC he dies in about 4 games (TP, TWW, ALTTP, and TLOZ) and since the split timeline only permits 2 deaths if he's the same Ganon, now that we know there are multiple Ganons there are now less plotholes to fill.
Do you have your own Timeline theory by any chance? I used to love thinking about it and debating over it....I've got a huge file saved on my computer from a long time ago, and I think mine went something like this:
------------------MM--TP--FS/FSA--ALTTP/OoX/LA
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SS--TMC--OoT
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------------------TWW/PH--ST--TLOZ/TAOL
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It's weird. Even though Zelda is easily my favorite game series, I never put much thought into the whole timeline thing. It's amusing to read about now and then, but that's it.
Now I'll be staying out of this thread to avoid teh SS spoilerz.
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The timeline thing is not too hard...I mean, only a few games are hard to place (and I've changed my mind a million times.
But this is what is widely accepted and pretty much confirmed by the developers:
MM--TP
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SS--OOT
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TWW/PH--ST
After that it gets tricky, especially since there's a LOT of retconning...some people like to be really really focused on the specifics (i.e. this waterfall was here in this game and not in this game so they must be separate Hyrules) but I try to be more general, like "Where is the Master Sword at this point in time?"
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It's weird. Even though Zelda is easily my favorite game series, I never put much thought into the whole timeline thing. It's amusing to read about now and then, but that's it.
I agree about the timeline thing. A review I read of Twilight Princess mentioning it being a re-imagining of the story. So I look as Zelda's as stand alone games and stories. While the themes and characters are more or less the same, the time of events is isolated. Kind of like Final Fantasy minus the recent trend of sequels.
I think Nintendo trying to now make a cohesive story is a bit odd, considering the big three all have never really been known for their stories and being bonded together timeline and universe wise. Maybe it is just a sign of the times, and them noticing that other franchises have better overall stories. When I play Super Mario World, I do not care where it fits into the Mario timeline with Super Mario Galaxy 2. Nor do I care when playing Super Metroid and where that fits next to Metroid Prime 3. I think the game designers never thought about that back when about what the timeline would be for a game 10-15 years later.
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Dude, I agree that OoT/WW/TP feature the same Ganon. I was mostly referring to the gameboy/nes/snes/Four Swords ones. There's a quote by the Four Sword Ganon where he says he's an ancient demon reborn or something like that.
Could be that Demise is reborn in some of the other villains...but in lots of cases they are working alongside Ganon. For example Agahnim, Vaati, and Zant are all bad dudes but they are Ganon's lackeys and not Ganon himself, so I don't think they could also be an incarnation of Demise.
But yeah, I guess it wouldn't change the timeline that much if Demise was embodied in all of the Zelda villains. I do think that the multiple Ganon thing does help the timeline theorist, because IIRC he dies in about 4 games (TP, TWW, ALTTP, and TLOZ) and since the split timeline only permits 2 deaths if he's the same Ganon, now that we know there are multiple Ganons there are now less plotholes to fill.
Do you have your own Timeline theory by any chance? I used to love thinking about it and debating over it....I've got a huge file saved on my computer from a long time ago, and I think mine went something like this:
------------------MM--TP--FS/FSA--ALTTP/OoX/LA
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SS--TMC--OoT
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------------------TWW/PH--ST--TLOZ/TAOL
That's pretty much how I have it, actually. I think ALttP and TLOZ/AoL are in the Child Timeline though, personally.
This is the one I agree with most: https://zeldatimeline.com/
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So I look as Zelda's as stand alone games and stories. While the themes and characters are more or less the same, the time of events is isolated.
While I think that's true, I do think there have been recent attempts to tie things together, even if it wasn't the original plan. For example, I think the vegetated Temple of Time in TP is a reference to how the Master Sword is in the forest in ALTTP. I think that was intentional.
@ Super Dude - That's one of the reasons why I put ALTTP where I do, Super Dude. The fact that the Master Sword even exists tells me that ALTTP can't follow TWW. Some people say that the sages in ALTTP crafted a new Master Sword...but I think that's a bit of a stretch. For TLOZ/TAOL...those are probably the hardest for me to place, actually. They could reasonably be at the end of either timeline. Why do you think it's at the end of the Child Timeline, though? The only reasons I have in putting it after Wind Waker, and they're admittedly not very good ones, are that there are no traditional Hyrulean landmarks (save for Death Mountain, which , if I recall correctly, appears in ST) and the fact that there is no Master Sword (which doesn't mean there could or could not be, it's just not in the game).
EDIT: After looking at the reasons listed on that website for TLOZ/TAOL being in the Child Timeline (basically...Ganon being killed by silver arrows). I dunno. I don't think there's a solid argument for those two games either way.
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I'm a big Zelda fan. My favorite game is definitely Wind Waker closely followed by Majora's Mask. I don't understand all the dislike for Majora's Mask. Was it the time thing or what? What are your thoughts?
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My main problem was the time thing, yeah. I didn't like the rushed feeling I got when I had to finish a dungeon in a certain amount of time. I also wasn't too keen on the dungeons themselves, especially the Great Bay Temple and the Stone Tower Temple. Great Bay was just frustrating with the water flow and having to flip the Tower over and over again got obnoxious when you only have so much time to do it. I will say that if there was no time limit, Stone Tower would have been great.
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So I look as Zelda's as stand alone games and stories. While the themes and characters are more or less the same, the time of events is isolated.
While I think that's true, I do think there have been recent attempts to tie things together, even if it wasn't the original plan. For example, I think the vegetated Temple of Time in TP is a reference to how the Master Sword is in the forest in ALTTP. I think that was intentional.
@ Super Dude - That's one of the reasons why I put ALTTP where I do, Super Dude. The fact that the Master Sword even exists tells me that ALTTP can't follow TWW. Some people say that the sages in ALTTP crafted a new Master Sword...but I think that's a bit of a stretch. For TLOZ/TAOL...those are probably the hardest for me to place, actually. They could reasonably be at the end of either timeline. Why do you think it's at the end of the Child Timeline, though? The only reasons I have in putting it after Wind Waker, and they're admittedly not very good ones, are that there are no traditional Hyrulean landmarks (save for Death Mountain, which , if I recall correctly, appears in ST) and the fact that there is no Master Sword (which doesn't mean there could or could not be, it's just not in the game).
EDIT: After looking at the reasons listed on that website for TLOZ/TAOL being in the Child Timeline (basically...Ganon being killed by silver arrows). I dunno. I don't think there's a solid argument for those two games either way.
I go for a different argument entirely, and that's the technology. In the Adult Timeline, there are fucking trains. The most advanced tech we see from either TLOZ or AoL is temples that look like Greek Parthenons.
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Is there a convinient list of acronyms so I can get in on this action? Pretty please :smiley:
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Joining the club! I'm pumped for SS. I have the Game+wiimote+CD package pre-ordered and should be at my house by next Tuesday or Wednesday!
Also, from what I've played: Oot>TP>ALttP>MM>TWW>OoS
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Oh, another thing I don't like about Phantom Hourglass & Spirit Tracks - in a dungeon you have to carry the boss key to the boss key door, and then you're beset upon by a bunch of hand monsters. Such a pain.
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Anyone have it yet? :caffeine:
I still need to wait a while till I get back to my Wii but I'm excited and interested in what people thing about it :).
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Mine shipped Friday. Should have it Tuesday the latest! Fuck yeah
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SS comes out tomorrow, correct?
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In Europe it's been out since yesterday I think :).
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In Europe it's been out since yesterday I think :).
I'm pretty sure it comes out tomorrow in the US... I'm pretty excited.
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In Europe it's been out since yesterday I think :).
I'm pretty sure it comes out tomorrow in the US... I'm pretty excited.
Yes, the game comes out tomorrow, Sunday 11/20/11, in N.America.
Happy slashing!
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In Europe it's been out since yesterday I think :).
I'm pretty sure it comes out tomorrow in the US... I'm pretty excited.
Yes, the game comes out tomorrow, Sunday 11/20/11, in N.America.
Happy slashing!
You too!
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Just put about 2 hours in and while the setup was very good, I'm glad I'm finally out of all that text and can get into the actual gameplay now.
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Does it still scroll at an 8 year-old's reading pace?
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Does it still scroll at an 8 year-old's reading pace?
Holding down "A" makes it scroll at a readable, but faster pace.
Solid so far. I have no idea why Miyamoto stressed the importance of the first 30 minutes of a game to draw one in. Apparently he had no say on this, as this one starts out a little slow. LttP should the model for an intro...worked real well.
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Is the 1:1 controller thing necessary? I've just got the regular Wii controller.
Also I really hope this game tries to break the formula a bit. If it's the same 3 "beginning" temples, get the Master Sword, then 5-6 "after" temples I'm going to shoot somebody.
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Is the 1:1 controller thing necessary? I've just got the regular Wii controller.
Also I really hope this game tries to break the formula a bit. If it's the same 3 "beginning" temples, get the Master Sword, then 5-6 "after" temples I'm going to shoot somebody.
You do need it, and apparantly it's really good so worth the investment ;).
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Imma be picking this one up next weekend. Can't wait!
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Is the 1:1 controller thing necessary? I've just got the regular Wii controller.
Also I really hope this game tries to break the formula a bit. If it's the same 3 "beginning" temples, get the Master Sword, then 5-6 "after" temples I'm going to shoot somebody.
You do need it, and apparantly it's really good so worth the investment ;).
Looking forward to it.
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Is the 1:1 controller thing necessary? I've just got the regular Wii controller.
Also I really hope this game tries to break the formula a bit. If it's the same 3 "beginning" temples, get the Master Sword, then 5-6 "after" temples I'm going to shoot somebody.
I hope it breaks the formula too, but if it's reassuring at all, you get what I think is the main sword in the game before entering the first temple.
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Well that's somewhat of a relief, though I actually kind of liked the system from Majora's Mask where you could upgrade your sword.
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Am I the only one here who thinks the OoT intro is the best them?
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Intro as in up to which part?
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I dunno, end of the Deku Tree dungeon?
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Am I the only one here who thinks the OoT intro is the best them?
The OoT everything is the best them, so yes, I agree.
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Am I the only one here who thinks the OoT intro is the best them?
The OoT everything is the best them, so yes, I agree.
I think OoT may be the FFVII of Zelda...the one that is usually cited as the best.
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After the first three hours, I have to say I'm pretty underwhelmed. Granted, I haven't even made it to the first dungeon yet, so I may change my mind. However, there are two glaring issues that I have so far:
1) Handholding
This may change once I move out of the "tutorial" stage, but I'm worried that Fi is going to be the new Navi. From pointing out the obvious to just plain interrupting gameplay, I'm already getting sick of her.
2) Relying on Motion Plus for on-screen aiming
This baffles me. Why they made the change from using the camera to accelerometer control, I don't know, but it's not for the better. Whatever gains there might have been in smoothness of cursor movement are lost when you have to constantly re-calibrate the Wii-mote. The problem is that it re-calibrates the center position whenever you enter an aiming mode (be it dowsing, firing a slingshot, moving through a menu, etc.). So if your Wii-mote isn't pointed at the center of the screen when you enter that mode, it can be off by quite a bit. While re-calibrating is relatively painless (you have to hit "down" on the D-pad to re-calibrate) it gets old real fast. The fact that they added this "quick feature" means they knew this was a problem.
That said, the actual combat with the sword is MUCH better than in Twilight Princess. It really does swing where you want (you can even swing upwards if you want). The only time it doesn't replicate your movements exactly is when jabbing with it (can't jab in a specific direction), which isn't a big deal at all.
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Those sound like game foibles I can live with
can't wait to try it!
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After the first three hours, I have to say I'm pretty underwhelmed. Granted, I haven't even made it to the first dungeon yet, so I may change my mind. However, there are two glaring issues that I have so far:
1) Handholding
This may change once I move out of the "tutorial" stage, but I'm worried that Fi is going to be the new Navi. From pointing out the obvious to just plain interrupting gameplay, I'm already getting sick of her.
2) Relying on Motion Plus for on-screen aiming
This baffles me. Why they made the change from using the camera to accelerometer control, I don't know, but it's not for the better. Whatever gains there might have been in smoothness of cursor movement are lost when you have to constantly re-calibrate the Wii-mote. The problem is that it re-calibrates the center position whenever you enter an aiming mode (be it dowsing, firing a slingshot, moving through a menu, etc.). So if your Wii-mote isn't pointed at the center of the screen when you enter that mode, it can be off by quite a bit. While re-calibrating is relatively painless (you have to hit "down" on the D-pad to re-calibrate) it gets old real fast. The fact that they added this "quick feature" means they knew this was a problem.
That said, the actual combat with the sword is MUCH better than in Twilight Princess. It really does swing where you want (you can even swing upwards if you want). The only time it doesn't replicate your movements exactly is when jabbing with it (can't jab in a specific direction), which isn't a big deal at all.
I have not gotten far enough to hear, agree, or counter your comments on the aiming. However, I do not agree that the pressing down was tacked on when they realized it had issues. In Wii Sports Resort, when playing table tennis, the option was also there to press down. And I would often press down after each point, especially when playing the higher leveled opponents for the best sync.
However, I will agree with the sword combat. It is a beyond satisfying experience...this is really what I expected out of the Wii.
I hope this bodes well for the future of Nintendo w/ the Wii U. I hope they build on the positive motion control in Skyward, and do not scrap it completely for a Wii/DS hybrid. However, something makes me doubt that their 1st party titles will focus more motion than on the touch.
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I don't mean it was tacked on as an afterthought. It just comes across as a workaround rather than a fix. Coming from Twilight Princess where I didn't have to worry about calibration at all during gameplay, it irks me. Especially in scenarios where I can't fix it right away, like flying the beetle. I shoot it and have to bend over backwards just to gain any altitude.
Now that I think about it a little more, I think I can see their reasoning for using motion plus rather than the camera. Using the motion plus, you can utilize the full range of motion of the controller without worrying that line of sight with the sensor is cut off. What I want to know then, is why do they have you calibrate the flat orientation of the remote at the beginning if they essentially re-calibrate it when you go into aiming mode?
EDIT: I hate to add another complaint because there's a great game underneath these mechanics. When I go to a shop, I just want a "What have you got?" "Oh, a little of this, a little of that". Instead, I have to select each item to get a description as well as a salespitch from an Asian caricature who gets offended if I don't buy it. Check out the next item? SAME THING.
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Just landed in Eldin Volcano. This game is amazing.
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Amazon still hasn't shipped mine. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-
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OverClocked ReMix just came out with an 18 track remix album with songs from throughout the Zelda series called 25YEARLEGEND. I'm listening now and it's got some very cool stuff. Check it out, peeps: https://ocremix.org/ (https://ocremix.org/)
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I'm only on the first dungeon and the first boss is already kicking my ass. :lol
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So, I've played this game for a few hours now, and I have to say I'm REALLY enjoying it so far :D
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Just beat the first boss after I posted that. :lol Like Will, I am definitely enjoying the game. I'm not too sure how I feel about the controls. A lot of times it won't do what i want it to. But the story/atmosphere/scenery of the game is just so incredible... and it's giving me the same feeling i got when i played OoT. I only got that at the end of Wind Waker and not much at all for Twilight Princess... so that's always a good sign! :laugh:
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So far it has been amazing. I just beat the 5th temple and it was great, and kinda unusual. This game is probably my favourite Zelda game.
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Just got to the Ancient Cistern. Really glad this game started to pick up once you get to the Lanayru province. I'm probably in the minority here, but until that point I feel Twilight Princess was a much better game, still not sure which one I like more but time will tell.
Hyrule is starting to open up with more areas which is nice, since I feel the map really does suffer from having three unconnected areas.
I'm probably one of the bigger fans of the series here and was excited for this game for the past year and a half, but I can't make apologies anymore, the graphics are bad, no two ways about it. Sure it's impressionistic or whatever, but EVERYTHING looks like garbage from far away, and a lot of it doesn't look good up close either. I've played it on three separate televisions so far and none of them make it look like a modern day video game. I was never really sold on the art style either, which made the tone of the beginning of the game hard to stomach (and it was already paced far too slow).
That said, there are a lot of positives and some of the puzzles really made me stop and think about what I had to do next. Hopefully the game continues at the pace it's at right now.
Also, the orchestral CD that came in the bundle is AMAZING.
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I'm not too sure how I feel about the controls. A lot of times it won't do what i want it to.
Same. But for the most part it's been okay
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I'm probably in the minority here, but until that point I feel Twilight Princess was a much better game
Not at all. OoT and TP will forever be my all-time favorite Zelda games, and I'm not even sure which of those I like more. Also I feel like TP was the same, where the beginning had me very on the fence, and as the game went on I came around to it.
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Nearing the end, I'm totally feeling like they made the game longer for the sake of making it longer. I thought I was going to be done almost 10 hours ago. Anyway, great game. I think it's the best they've done since OoT, and maybe ties with it.
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I just got the Legend of Zelda 3DS :D
I are a happy panda
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I have to say I'm very disappointed in Skyward Sword. I just fought some Wind Fish knockoff and now have to go back to the desert, forest, and volcano AGAIN? Three unconnected areas with a sparse sky hubworld is just not working for me. I don't feel there's any real exploration: just walk from here to there in a dungeon-like "overworld" at the constant goading of Fi, then do the actual dungeon, then repeat. I'm usually easy to please when it comes to Zelda games, too. So many things just feel off. Is there ever any nighttime exploration outside of the town?
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Huh, I highly disagree, all I do is explore, while doing the story line, and the sky is a lot of fun so far.
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I tried playing the 3DS version of Master Quest yesterday.
That double damage thing + extra monsters really fucks you over :|
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I have to say I'm very disappointed in Skyward Sword. I just fought some Wind Fish knockoff and now have to go back to the desert, forest, and volcano AGAIN? Three unconnected areas with a sparse sky hubworld is just not working for me. I don't feel there's any real exploration: just walk from here to there in a dungeon-like "overworld" at the constant goading of Fi, then do the actual dungeon, then repeat. I'm usually easy to please when it comes to Zelda games, too. So many things just feel off. Is there ever any nighttime exploration outside of the town?
I'm more on this side of the argument. I think the "explorability" of the game is hurt by having a segmented map, both in the three unconnected areas and in having the whole map pretty much be dungeon-like. And while I haven't hit every aspect of the game, I have completed it, and no I never explored at night outside of Skyloft.
I find it kind of odd that so many prefer this game to Twilight Princess, since a lot of the complaints about that game were that it was too linear and held your hand, and I feel Skyward Sword is even more guilty of those things.
I also agree that the game drags toward the end. The pacing when you beat the Fire Sanctuary makes it feel like you're practically done. You're told to find the Triforce, but darn it all, nobody knows where it is. Find and free Levias, revisit the three areas AGAIN, get the songs from the dragons, do the Silent Realm (worst part of the game) AGAIN but this time in Skyloft, find the other stone thingy, open the final...dungeon?, get the goodies, fight Ghirahim again, and THEN fight the final boss. The game spends almost a third of the play time winding down toward the end. Also, while he does a lot of damage, there really isn't much to the final fight. Especially after a four stage final boss in Twilight Princess (each with different mechanics), a two stage fight with the same basic battle tactics seems a little lacking.
I do applaud trying to make something out of the continuity between games, but some of the things, especially the explanation for Ganon's existence, are so tenuous I wonder why they bother addressing it at all.
Overall great game, but maybe I just don't look for the same things out of a Zelda game as some of the other gamers do.
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I find it kind of odd that so many prefer this game to Twilight Princess, since a lot of the complaints about that game were that it was too linear and held your hand, and I feel Skyward Sword is even more guilty of those things.
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Overall great game, but maybe I just don't look for the same things out of a Zelda game as some of the other gamers do.
I cannot recall much of TP at all. Which is ironic, as I think I spent 60 plus hours at least on it; maybe 70 or 80? But I did not consider it worst or better than Ocarina, LttP and etc.
At this point, I LOVE SS. I do not really rate the games over each other, because each brought something different. As great as LttP was, it was really a huge expansion of the original; not completely changing it up like OoT.
The reason SS is great to me is simply the gameplay; I am having FUN with this. I love the more intense fights (Lizardos or whatever,) and boss fights; and I feel I have to stand up for the total experience. Yeah, the motion controls are off at times; I cannot get a horizontal slice to fire 100% to save my life. And flying is a bit dull and hard at points; I will agree with a faster transportation system (and not having Skyloft load each time I drop off). However, I have no problem with the center based aiming items; as someone else said, just make sure you are pointing to whatever you want as the center point before engaging it.
Fighting enemies is just a simple joy. The last modern game I got was SC2. And sure, that is fun...but SS is a different type of fun.
It really is a shame Nintendo finally got motion controls mostly right in one of their A games at the end of the console's life. Metroid Prime 3 was a great first step, but Zelda just has that much more. Luckily, the official word is now that the motion controls in Zelda are here to stay. Although I will probably not get a Wii U, I am glad to hear this. Much like the guy who did the IGN.com review said in a podcast; he does not want to play another Zelda without motion controls; I agree 100%. They added a great deal of interactivity.
As far as the attempts at changing the formula or whatever, nothing really has bugged me. I do not mind the Metroid styled connected worlds, but I like Metroid a lot, and feel it is the forgotten franchise out the big 3. I do believe the RPG additions were half measured, so I hope those are expanded in the next title. But the little additions are welcome, and fetch quests do not bother me; but I would not be disappointed if they removed or altered that.
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Pretty big development regarding the official Zelda timeline. It's not 100% confirmed, but it seems to make sense.
https://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1215301p1.html
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Man, I wish Nintendo would hurry up with that original Zelda game they're releasing for the 3DS. Need more Zelda.
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Nice find, FW. That's pretty huge, and that Timeline A deal is really unexpected.
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Pretty big development regarding the official Zelda timeline. It's not 100% confirmed, but it seems to make sense.
https://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1215301p1.html
While the timeline helps, my earlier opinion of these games being reboots or reimagines still stands. There are many Links, Zeldas and Ganons, or a woman in distress, and an evil guy. So to me, there is no cohesive whole or timeline because the scenarios are the same, and the same character archetypes are reset for each game. So even if SS happened before OoT, it does not matter to me because the character beginnings are reset and re-explained.
I never thought of Nintendo as having great, tight stories...they started making games when that was not needed.
That said, the 3 timeline branches thing is cool!
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It really is, but it makes a lot of sense (granted, I'm not as well versed as others regarding the timeline). I always figured two timelines branching off of one; child Link branching off into another child Link or adult Link after OoT. This worked well for some games, but left others being forced into a position where it could fit, but just didn't feel right. The third timeline (at first glance) addresses those games pretty ingeniously.
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I'm on the final boss. Spent the past few days trying to get all of the treasures I had missed.... really having difficulty getting the last 3 heart pieces from the mini games. :lol Also I have one other heart piece somewhere but I don't know which one I'm missing.
Just got the Hylian Shield... all the bottles... think I'm ready to wrap up the game tonight. :hat Will post my thoughts on SS once I do.
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I heard that that timeline was confirmed. Is it true?
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Just beat Zelda II. Fuck yea. :metal
But Shadow Link was so incredibly easy.
Also, I'm not really happy about the timeline being revealed. I liked how they kept it open to speculation.
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I have to say I really enjoyed this game, and the experience itself was just as good if not better than Ocarina of Time. The depth of the story, characters, atmosphere, and scenery was spectacular and a vast improvement over previous Zelda titles. Link seemed to have more personality than any other game before. The music, like any Legend of Zelda game was superb. Perfectly fit the mood of the scene every time. And that orchestrated Great Fairy theme in the main menu.... damn!
So how about the gameplay? That is where my only complaints with this game lie, and for many that is the most important part of the gaming experience after all. The 1:1 controls were interesting, but the learning curve was a bit steep. That will be a pro or a con for different people, but personally I kind of liked the extra challenge a lot of the earlier dungeons had. However, once you figured out the weaknesses of each enemy, it became a lot easier.
I do have quite a few complaints about the game however. I know a lot of people praised the 1:1 controls, but I found a lot of times Link would not do what I wanted him to do. For example, I would be thrusting the nunchuck forward but Link would not bring forth his shield. Similary, I would accidently spin attack or vertical slash if I moved my left hand just a little bit. I understand that if you take your time, these things tend to occur less, but there were a lot of times were time wasn't something I had a lot of, or I was being surrounded by a lot of enemies. The flying mechanism was a bit strange as well and it got pretty redundant. Although there were a lot of little islands throughout the sky, most of them had nothing on them or simply just a treasure chest. It kind of took the fun out of exploring the sky. Sky diving and swimming were also VERY figidty, although I got the hang of diving towards the end of the game. And of course, the wii motion plus doesn't use the wii sensor bar and it often needed to be recalibrated, which was a BIG pain in the ass, especially during boss fights. During Tentalus, my bow would go haywire as I frantically tried to get it to point where I wanted it to go without being slammed by a tentacle. Every time you reset the game, it will give you a screen telling you about a treasure every time you pick one up. There were a few times where I accidentally picked up something, and Link PUTS HIS SWORD AND SHIELD DOWN WHEN YOU DO IT. Once you press 'A' past the screen, you're very likely to receive damage since the game rendered you defenesless. The same with Fii, any time you would talk to her you would be vulnerable immediately after. Very annoying.
However, my biggest complaint was with the dungeons. I found the dungeons in this game extremely lackluster. I defeated almost all of them within one day. Most of the dungeons were only a couple rooms large. There were a couple times I got stuck, which is nice, but there was so little substance to the dungeons themselves that it didn't feel challenging or very rewarding. I didn't even realize the pirate ship was a dungeon at first because of how tiny it was, I thought it would be a mini dungeon like the Ice Cave in OOT. But nope, then I got the boss key and face palmed a bit. :lol The Fire Sanctuary was probably the most interesting of the dungeons and provided the most challenge. I thought having to do the Skyview Temple twice was kind of a cop out, since I think there might have been one new room and that was it. They just added some harder enemies and that was more or less it. While the dungeons were kind of weak, the quest itself still took a long time for me to beat. My final time was around 55 hours, but that included all of the side quests and exploring. Nintendo said the main game would last atleast 40 hours, and I think that is a fair representation. You certainly DO get your money's worth with this game.
Now that my complaints are out of the way, let's get to the good stuff! A lot of people complained about the graphics when they were first shown. Personally, I've never had a problem with the Zelda graphics. Each game is different and brings a new personality to the games. But I have to say that these might be my favorite graphics, even more than Twilight Princess. Everyone raved about how dark TP was, but I feel that SS was just so vibrant and interesting. The cinematics in the game were literally breathtaking, I will admit that I teared up several times during the more emotional parts of the game, and I think that is the first time a game has done that to me. The story and development of the characters shone throughout the game. The exchange between Link and Zelda when you first travel to the past might be one of my favorite video game scenes ever, and as I traveled back to the present, I actually felt a sense of sadness come over me. The ending of the game was amazing as well, and I don't want to spoil that for anyone, so find out for yourself!
The treasure hunting was a fun little side quest to try and upgrade your items. The bugs were kind of worthless to me, as I didn't use a single potion until the very last boss. The mini games were VERY challenging, at least to me. The only one I completed was the Bamboo and Bug games, and neither of them provided heart pieces so they didn't help me much :p (although you do need to beat the bug game to get the gratitude crystals... more on that soon). My highest score in the archery game was somewhere in the 400s. I don't know why I can't get over 600 in that, but I can't. The other two mini games I only tried once, with the fun fun island game seeming to be more luck than anything and the cart game something i just don't think I will be able to accomplish. I found most of the Godess Cubes, and those remaining are just rupees. The gratitude crystal quests seemed more like chores than anything, but they gave you something to do when you wanted to take a break from the dungeons. The side quests were nowhere near as fun or complex as the ones in previous 3D Zelda games, but there was still a lot to keep you busy.
The bosses in the game were very good. I thought Girahim was a great villian, and the first time I encountered him he gave me the creeps and I couldn't wait to whoop his ass. :P These sword bosses/enemies were definitely the hardest enemies in the game for me, as you really had to watch their movements carefully. Still, I found most of the time I would swing blindly hoping to make contact. :lol Scaldra was really boring, just the typical throw a bomb in it's mouth type of thing. The Imprissoned fight was really redundant, but at the same time it was probably one of the more stressful fights (third time) and certainly VERY intimidating the first time you encounter it. Tentalus was another boss that gave me a lot of trouble, as the first two times I fought it I kept getting pushed off the edge during the last stage of the fight. However, the last two bosses in the game were by far the most stressful and fun boss battles in the game. They give you the option to save inbetween the two bosses, which is great because I don't think there is any way I could beat both back to back without being able to refill on hearts/potions. There is also a mini game where you can rebattle the bosses, similiar to the boss mode in Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I only did 8, enough to get the shield. I eventually plan on trying to beat them all. It's not as hard as it sounds, since you have the master sword when fighting them and the earlier bosses go down in just a few hits. However, I can imagine the Hero Mode boss battles will be a lot tougher since you take more damage and don't get hearts as often.
The Silent Realm trials were nail biting! Although I got through the first three without dying (actually I might have died once), there were quite a few close calls. The final silent realm was very tough and it took me about 4 or 5 tries before I completed it. The sneaking around parts of Zelda games are always the ones I hate the most just because of how stressful they are, but that is a good thing too. When you DO complete them it is a great feeling. I also liked how each dragon had it's own unique challenge. The water one was my least favorite because of the crappy swimming controls. The fire dragon's quest was a lot of fun though and brought back memories of Wind Waker. The Thunder Dragon's was more of a short puzzle than anything and was the easiest of the bunch.
So all in all, I was very impressed with Skyward Sword. There were a few weak points to the game, but I think the pros outweighed them. I certainly had more fun playing this game than any other game in recent memory. I know a lot of people often will compare newer Zelda releases to Ocarina of Time, but I have to say that this game brought back the same magic I experienced during my first play through of OoT when I was 9. When it comes down to it, I think this had a lot of potential to be the best Zelda game. The developers obviously put a lot of work into making this an enjoyable experience and it really paid off. Aside from the occasional controller problem and the lackluster dungeons, this was a terrific game. And as I said, even though the dungeons seem to be small, the game itself is quite long, so I can't take too much away from it because of that. I know that years from now, I'm still going to have great memories of my first play through of this game.
Final rating: 92/100
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I wish I could read all that but I still haven't played the game. In a week I shall be re-united with my Wii!
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Received SS for X-Mas. Loving it so far!
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I got SS for xmas... and my Wii isn't recognizing the disc :( What do I do?
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I'm not that knowledgeable with the Wii, but I'd check to see if it's the disc or your Wii that's the problem with reading a disc. If it's the disc problem, I'd return it to where you got it for another, or if you don't have a receipt just go to Walmart.
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Well I put in the Wii fit disc and that game started up. So maybe just the zelda disc?
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Yeah, but I'd keep trying it a few more times. Sometimes they just don't read for whatever reason. If it never does, just return it. No need to hassle with something that should work in the first place.
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Soooo I'm dumb and was putting in the symphony disc .... haha my fault for not looking at which was which.
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:lol Good to hear.
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How old is your wii? I heard a lot of older wiis have problems playing dual layer discs, which I'm assuming SS is since there is a lot of shit in the game. I'd contact Nintendo, because when my disc drive broke a few years ago they fixed mine up for free, even though I modded my wii with homebrew. :P
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WAY TO READ BIG Z
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WAY TO READ BIG Z
:lol Didn't see there was another page
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When I first put SS in my Wii I think it did a system update. Maybe make sure you're connected to the internet...
Edit: Didn't see other page. Kinda drunk.
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The orchestral disk is awesome! Only got the game yesterday, so not so far in (loved the intro and swordfighting so far though!) but listening to the orchestral disk now and it's great. The Wind Waker medley <3
Just listened to Gerudo Valley :o :hefdaddy
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Either I really suck at video games or I have too much fun roaming around doing nothing. I've been playing (according to the game) for 21hrs and I just finished the mine lol
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I've got the CD in my car and I've got my new golden Zelda controller and I'm loving them both.
As for the game itself? So far it's turning out to be pretty typical. I'm sooo glad I don't have to ride a train or a boat. I've just entered the 3rd area, the sand mines. I found the 2nd boss (the earth temple boss) pretty cool but pretty easy.
I like how you get more hearts when you die. It makes the game easier. Also the guide (forget the name) is WAY less annoying than Midna. AND actually helpful.
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I find Fi to be TOO helpful. She talks way too much and sometimes spoils things I would rather have figured out myself.
I still haven't beaten SS because I can't get myself motivated to play often. I think I'm right before the last dungeon.
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Okay, I beat it. The time travel concepts in this game hurt my head. ;)
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Overall, I'd give Skyward Sword a 7. A good game, but not what I look for in a Zelda game. My favorite part of the Zelda series is actually not the dungeons, but just the whole getting lost in a world, exploration, and the sense of adventure. The sky in this game really needed more stuff to do, and the surface should have been more than a bunch of obstacles leading to a dungeon. At least put another town down there for one of the non-Hylian races.
The repetition of having to go to the same three environments got old, and so did having to fight The Imprisoned three times (even more if you do Boss Rush). There's also an odd lack of enemy variety: so many Bokoblins. Not to mention the constant text about things you already know. "You got a Blessed Butterfly! Here's what it is! Now let's go to your item screen and show how many of them you've collected!" Or "This is red potion! It fills bla bla bla hearts and you should get it for your adventure bla bla bla."
Anyway, I did like the Kikwis and Mogmas. I think the Sandship was probably the best dungeon.
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The sky in this game really needed more stuff to do, and the surface should have been more than a bunch of obstacles leading to a dungeon. At least put another town down there for one of the non-Hylian races.
The repetition of having to go to the same three environments got old, and so did having to fight The Imprisoned three times (even more if you do Boss Rush). There's also an odd lack of enemy variety: so many Bokoblins. Not to mention the constant text about things you already know. "You got a Blessed Butterfly! Here's what it is! Now let's go to your item screen and show how many of them you've collected!" Or "This is red potion! It fills bla bla bla hearts and you should get it for your adventure bla bla bla."
Anyway, I did like the Kikwis and Mogmas. I think the Sandship was probably the best dungeon.
I agree with everything you said here except for the ship being the best part. That was one of the weaker dungeons imo, there was hardly anything to the whole dungeon, and I didn't even realize it was a dungeon until I got the map. :lol It felt like most of that "dungeon" was just doing a bunch of side quests up until you get to the actual ship.
But the enemy variety bugged me as well. Once you figured out the key to each enemy, the game got a lot easier because they stopped introducing new enemies after the first couple of dungeons (and the new ones they introduced were very simple to beat... like the magma hand you pour water on or the bird you beat by just grabbing onto its tail). Still, with all of that said, I really loved this game. I think if they added a few more enemies and made another area to explore (ice maybe?) it would have been perfect.
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Yeah, an ice/snow area would have been good. I liked the Sandship because, although small, it made me think, and I guess I just like ships in general.
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I just completed the first dungeon and so far I really love it. The beatle is awesome!
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So I just thought of this yesterday in my battle with this dude:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-spHZQ5Z-T-Q/Te6o2mZz07I/AAAAAAAAAh4/QOToIjyMmd8/s1600/zeldass.jpg)
He is totally a video game version of Johnny Weir - look him up if you have to haha
(https://media.sundancechannel.com/UPLOADS/series/be_good_johnny_weir/500/johnny_weir_episode01_01.jpg)
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That comparison makes me FURIOUS! OUTRAGED! SICK WITH ANGER! :biggrin:
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That comparison makes me FURIOUS! OUTRAGED! SICK WITH ANGER! :biggrin:
Because you might get convicted of a hate crime by playing the game?
(https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwstwfmZRc1qjuwnv.gif)
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I'm sure most of you have seen this already, the "Making of" for the 25th anniversary mural, but it never ceases to amaze me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZAZ-aRltw
I just wonder how it is that visual artists, especially in such an epic undertaking as this, can "see" the picture as they're drawing it. This either took some insane planning or nothing short of artistic genius.
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I'm sure most of you have seen this already, the "Making of" for the 25th anniversary mural, but it never ceases to amaze me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZAZ-aRltw
I just wonder how it is that visual artists, especially in such an epic undertaking as this, can "see" the picture as they're drawing it. This either took some insane planning or nothing short of artistic genius.
:hefdaddy
Wow, every time I see this it's amazing all over again.
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I love 80's Saturday morning cartoons:
https://www.hulu.com/watch/112031/the-legend-of-zelda-the-ringer
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So I picked up SS about two weeks ago, finally. I'm about 10 hours into the game and I just got to the Lanayru Desert. So far I'm enjoying it. I will say that the game is especially difficult for me since I'm left-handed and my right hand dexterity is pretty crummy. It's hard for me to fight some enemies with the sword, but I'm getting used to it. It took me about five or six tries to beat the boss of the first dungeon. I can't switch hands either, since over 20 years of video game experience has told me "Dammit Pete you can only control a character with your left thumb!!" Otherwise, good game. Great graphics, and I found myself more interested in the characters this time around, as opposed to Twilight Princess where the only character I felt had much personality at all was Midna.
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So I picked up SS about two weeks ago, finally. I'm about 10 hours into the game and I just got to the Lanayru Desert. So far I'm enjoying it. I will say that the game is especially difficult for me since I'm left-handed and my right hand dexterity is pretty crummy. It's hard for me to fight some enemies with the sword, but I'm getting used to it. It took me about five or six tries to beat the boss of the first dungeon. I can't switch hands either, since over 20 years of video game experience has told me "Dammit Pete you can only control a character with your left thumb!!" Otherwise, good game. Great graphics, and I found myself more interested in the characters this time around, as opposed to Twilight Princess where the only character I felt had much personality at all was Midna.
The characters are pretty fun this time aound. Controls were waaaaay confusing for me at first, haha, took me forever to get the hang of it..
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Happy Birthday to "The Legend of Zelda" !!!
https://www.techspot.com/news/47506-happy-birthday-the-legend-of-zelda-turns-26-today.html
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Happy Birthday to "The Legend of Zelda" !!!
https://www.techspot.com/news/47506-happy-birthday-the-legend-of-zelda-turns-26-today.html
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Started playing Oracle of Ages for the first time. Haven't played any of the handheld Zelda games except for Minish Cap, which I didn't greatly care for. I am enjoying OaA and look forward to playing OoS next.
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Started playing Oracle of Ages for the first time. Haven't played any of the handheld Zelda games except for Minish Cap, which I didn't greatly care for. I am enjoying OaA and look forward to playing OoS next.
Both games are great, but despite expanding so much on the Link's Awakening formula I'm still not sure if they can match that game. Of the Oracle series I enjoyed OoA slightly more, even if that game has some bitch-hard puzzles. OoS is more action-based and is probably the most old-school of all the modern Zeldas (by "modern" I mean OoT and later.)
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They surpass Link's Awakening and then some. Well, except in the story department. The end of Link's Awakening was almost heartbreaking as a kid. Best games in the entire series. I hope we can get back to that kind of gameplay again someday. Screw Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. I don't want to play with a freaking touch screen.
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Just got screwed out of a really nostalgic Link's Awakening session. I lost my save file so it's not even worth trying to get back to where I left off.
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Just got screwed out of a really nostalgic Link's Awakening session. I lost my save file so it's not even worth trying to get back to where I left off.
Managed to do it to myself again. I had gotten so much farther this time too, which is really disappointing.
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Anyone else really love The Minish Cap? It's one of my fave Zelda games.
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After putting about 35 hours into skyward sword (I'm almost finished with the game), I must say that the controls are really frustrating me to the point where I almost don't want to play anymore. And it doesn't help that I messed up the Floor puzzle thing in Sky Keep and now have to find some way to restore an earlier save so I can start the dungeon over. The game is good, but the controls really suck. I can't play a game if the controls for it are the worst I've ever played.
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After putting about 35 hours into skyward sword (I'm almost finished with the game), I must say that the controls are really frustrating me to the point where I almost don't want to play anymore. And it doesn't help that I messed up the Floor puzzle thing in Sky Keep and now have to find some way to restore an earlier save so I can start the dungeon over. The game is good, but the controls really suck. I can't play a game if the controls for it are the worst I've ever played.
How did you mess that up? I haven't heard of any bug relating to that, so I'm pretty sure you can still pass that dungeon with your current save.
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Anyone else really love The Minish Cap? It's one of my fave Zelda games.
Major love for the overhead view games here, and MC is no exception. It has to be the easiest Zelda game in history though. I never died once during my first run through. Still great though. Vaati is an awesome villain.
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Started playing Oracle of Ages for the first time. Haven't played any of the handheld Zelda games except for Minish Cap, which I didn't greatly care for. I am enjoying OaA and look forward to playing OoS next.
Both games are great, but despite expanding so much on the Link's Awakening formula I'm still not sure if they can match that game. Of the Oracle series I enjoyed OoA slightly more, even if that game has some bitch-hard puzzles. OoS is more action-based and is probably the most old-school of all the modern Zeldas (by "modern" I mean OoT and later.)
OoA and OoS are two of my favourite games ever. I never quite finished the whole game (as in, finish one then finish the other with that code you get), but have some great memories of the boss fights. I did OoA first, then OoS.
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After putting about 35 hours into skyward sword (I'm almost finished with the game), I must say that the controls are really frustrating me to the point where I almost don't want to play anymore. And it doesn't help that I messed up the Floor puzzle thing in Sky Keep and now have to find some way to restore an earlier save so I can start the dungeon over. The game is good, but the controls really suck. I can't play a game if the controls for it are the worst I've ever played.
Really? Because I absolutely love the controls, I think they really add a lot to the game.
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The last few weeks I've been playing to A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. Good shit man! :hefdaddy
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Yeah I also broke into some of my old 2D classics. It was fun and really nostalgic, but I think I'm ready for another go at 3D Zelda.
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After putting about 35 hours into skyward sword (I'm almost finished with the game), I must say that the controls are really frustrating me to the point where I almost don't want to play anymore. And it doesn't help that I messed up the Floor puzzle thing in Sky Keep and now have to find some way to restore an earlier save so I can start the dungeon over. The game is good, but the controls really suck. I can't play a game if the controls for it are the worst I've ever played.
How did you mess that up? I haven't heard of any bug relating to that, so I'm pretty sure you can still pass that dungeon with your current save.
Maybe I'm just lazy. I'll try again sometime.
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About half way through (I assume?) Oracle of Ages. Fun game. I feel bad for never embracing handheld consoles in my youth. Playing on a touchscreen can be challenging at parts, but otherwise working fine. Feel good about only using a walkthrough to get though two spots. Just don't have the patience or playing time any more. Looking forward to completing and tackling Oracle of Seasons.
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About half way through (I assume?) Oracle of Ages. Fun game. I feel bad for never embracing handheld consoles in my youth. Playing on a touchscreen can be challenging at parts, but otherwise working fine. Feel good about only using a walkthrough to get though two spots. Just don't have the patience or playing time any more. Looking forward to completing and tackling Oracle of Seasons.
Nice. That's probably the last truly challenging Zelda game...some of those puzzles are really tricky. Well done with not using a walkthrough too often.
OoS is easier and more fun, IMO. It's much more colorful. The soundtrack is better suited to the GBA's capabilities. All around better. But combat is harder. I constantly die on the final boss's final form.
The handheld Zeldas are very underrated. Maybe not as good as the console games...but still very strong. I guess it's time to rank 'em.
1. The Minish Cap
2. Spirit Tracks
3. Oracle of Seasons
4. Phantom Hourglass
5. Link's Awakening
6. Oracle of Ages
7. Four Swords
I also played the GBA ports of the first three Zeldas. And then there's Four Swords Adventures. But I guess those don't really count as true handhelds.
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Speaking of which, I'm playing my first handheld Zelda game right now: Phantom Hourglass.
It's pretty good. I'm just about to go to find the third spirit fairy thing and opinions so far:
Pros: Being able to write on the map is pretty cool even if I just end up writing "Link is a jerk" on them. The combat isn't as awkward as I thought it would be. Generally quite a good Zelda game so far.
Cons: SAILING. Repeating that one dungeon over and over. Some of the controls can be a bit fiddly. Some of the game mechanics seem very gimmicky...almost as if they were designed as a tech demo for the DS (seriously...why did I have to shout into the DS?.
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Judging from the comment, you haven't played Link's Awakening, and I highly suggest you do so. Best handheld Zelda, hands down (no pun intended).
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I've completed Ocarina of Time roughly 10 times (once on the 3DS), got near the end of Twilight Princess but never completed it, completed about 30% of Majora's Mask and about 5/10% of Wind Waker and that's the extent of it.
I'M A TERRIBLE PERSON, I KNOW
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Hey, my flatmate and best friend told the rest of us flatmates a couple weeks ago that he'd never played any Zelda games, period. Needless to say, I bought him his birthday present early this year.
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What an awful person. I hope you disowned him as a human being.
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Time to be his personal Navi until he plays all of them.
HEY! LISTEN! WHY DON'T YOU PLAY ZELDA USING A CONSOLE? WHAT WOULD SARIA SAY? LOOK, WHAT'S THAT GIANT BLACK CLOUD OVER YOUR SOUL?
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Harry have you played Skyward Sword yet? You should give it a go. I think it is probably my second favorite Zelda game behind OOT. The controls take some time to get used to, but it actually makes the game a lot more challenging which is something rare for most Zelda games. I got my ass handed to me by the second Deku Baba I came across. :lol The graphics/story/characters in it are incredible.
As for Phantom Hourglass, I pretty much agree with you. A lot of people don't seem to like that game though, and say that Spirit Tracks is better. Haven't played that one yet though, so no opinion.
I want a 3DS so I can play OOT so badly. I think the last time I played it was when we had the DTF play-through back in 2009.
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About half way through OoS now, enjoying it much more than OoA. After a while it was less abotu enjoyment and more about just getting to the end. I'll tackle LA next if I can find it.
I've completed Ocarina of Time roughly 10 times (once on the 3DS), got near the end of Twilight Princess but never completed it, completed about 30% of Majora's Mask and about 5/10% of Wind Waker and that's the extent of it.
I'M A TERRIBLE PERSON, I KNOW
I barely had enough interest to get to the end of TP myself, and forced myself to finish MM because I was abotu 1/2 way through (with serious online walkthrough help). I got to the end of TWW but skipped most of the side quest stuff. And OoT and ALttP are probably both in my top 5 games of all time.
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I haven't got a Wii Motion Plus or a Wii right now so I can't really play it :lol
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Oh yeah, I DESPISE the shooting gallery game in Phantom Hourglass.
Edit: Just when I thought I had beaten it. BAM - A MORE DIFFICULT VERSION!
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Is Four Swords Adventures (the GameCube game) worth playing as a single player? Keep in mind I'm a massive Zelda fan, so even if it's nothing too great, I wouldn't mind the experience.
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It's okay. The action can be pretty good and is similar to ALTTP. But there are zero collectibles, and no exploration. You just go from level to level, like in Super Mario World.
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I recently re-played Ocarina of Time on the Wii where I had gotten it a while back. Still an awesome game, especially when considered in the context of its time, but it holds up pretty well even now. But I noticed some flaws that I hadn't when playing it as a kid: namely, I don't think the dungeons as a whole are that great. Something is lacking, most of them seem empty and largely un-challenging, and there just isn't that much going on. Twilight Princess, A Link to the Past, and even Wind Waker have much better dungeon design IMO.
And I know it's been a long time, but I do NOT remember the goddamn shooting gallery games being so hard on the N64. S:DKJHGSD:LNVLKSDNEOIWHFDSLJG.
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How do you have time for video games with a wife, working out all the time, and med school??
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Yeah, good question. I scarcely have time for that as an undergrad student with a girlfriend...
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How do you have time for video games with a wife, working out all the time, and med school??
Lol. My wife works during the day and I work at night. I go to the gym for like an hour or an hour and a half, and not every day. And I'm a 4th year med student: our rotations are pretty light. Plenty of time left over brochacho!
But I don't spend much of it playing video games. I just wanted to re-play Ocarina 'cause it had been over a decade since I last played it. What's with the 3rd degree, H? :biggrin:
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I'm replaying The Minish Cap, which I'm enjoying much more than I did in the past. I've always thought it was a great, expansive adventure; there's so many little things to collect and find throughout the world. But there was something that was missing, and maybe it was because when I played it I rushed a bit because of a certain vagina always clamoring for me to quit playing the game. So now with my penis free from bondage, I shall explore vast amounts of land, leave no stone unturned, and crawl through EVERY mole cave. Vaati is also one of the best villains of all time, I love that little fucker.
Anyway, beautiful game, very well done and one of the better Zelda games out there. I'll have to do a ranking soon. I love ranking rankings.
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It's okay. The action can be pretty good and is similar to ALTTP. But there are zero collectibles, and no exploration. You just go from level to level, like in Super Mario World.
Yeah, I don't like the level thing. But I'll probably check it out.
But I noticed some flaws that I hadn't when playing it as a kid: namely, I don't think the dungeons as a whole are that great. Something is lacking, most of them seem empty and largely un-challenging, and there just isn't that much going on. Twilight Princess, A Link to the Past, and even Wind Waker have much better dungeon design IMO.
I dunno...I like all the OOT dungeons. They have a lot of atmosphere. Forest Temple's probably the best.
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Okay, I just went into that stupid temple of the ocean king again to get the south east sea map and that place is starting to REALLY get on my nerves.
They should have called it Temple of the Jerk King and His Jerk Rival's Invincible Douchbags.
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Phantom Jerkglass...or should it be Phantom Hourjerk?
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I prefer Phantom Jerkglass.
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In Spirit Tracks, you can kill the Phantoms. (ST is much better than PH, btw.
What's with the 3rd degree, H? :biggrin:
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)Wait, what does this mean?
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I dunno...I like all the OOT dungeons. They have a lot of atmosphere. Forest Temple's probably the best.
OoT has the best balance of dungeons and overworld exploring. It probably helped that it was the first Zelda game where each one had its own unique look and music. The kid Link dungeons are pretty simple, but the adult ones I really felt submerged in, without being totally throw-the-controller-at-the-tv frustrated by.
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In Spirit Tracks, you can kill the Phantoms. (ST is much better than PH, btw.
I heard it has a train in place of a boat though :|
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In Spirit Tracks, you can kill the Phantoms. (ST is much better than PH, btw.
I heard it has a train in place of a boat though :|
The train is way better than the boat. It take about half the time to travel from place to place, and the enemies are much more interesting to fight. There's these zombie trains that move faster than you and will kill you if you collide with them. Since you're on the same track as them, it can be challenging to maneuver around them.
The majority of Zelda fans I've talked to on video game forums agree that ST is way better than PH.
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I like Spirit Tracks quite a bit. Zelda as a companion is cool, the Tower of Spirits is better than the Temple of the Ocean King, and the music is waaaaaaay better than the music in Phantom Hourglass (or in other recent Zelda games, for that matter).
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Also you can kill the Phantoms.
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Started playing the Wind Waker again today. Not disappointed in the slightest.
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Not even with that horrible stealth bit at the start?
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Wind Waker is awesome. One of my favourites and definitely my most played.
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Not even with that horrible stealth bit at the start?
Finally someone who understands!
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Not even with that horrible stealth bit at the start?
I gutted it out, afterwards totally fine. The game is awesome. I needed some whimsy.
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Not even with that horrible stealth bit at the start?
It took me literally 2 weeks to get past this part. I hated it, because I wasn't really sure where I was supposed to go because I felt exploring was kind of "hindered".
Never liked the stealth portions in Zelda games, even in OOT when you have to get into Hyrule Castle, or Majora's Mask when you have to follow that guy to get the couple's mask or whatever it was.
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The Skyward Sword stealth section is the worst.
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Zelda games just need to do away with stealth sections in general, 2D and 3D. They're always ranging from either annoying to downright horrible, and when I replay a game, that's usually where I stop playing and don't continue.
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The Skyward Sword stealth section is the worst.
I gotta admit, I kind of like it in retrospect, simply because there were some realllllly close calls. It was challenging and stressful, but ultimately really rewarding.
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The Skyward Sword stealth section is the worst.
I gotta admit, I kind of like it in retrospect, simply because there were some realllllly close calls. It was challenging and stressful, but ultimately really rewarding.
The whole losing your inventory thing almost made me crazy. Honestly, now thinking about it, the Wind Waker stealth section is maddening also. Especially the part right before you make your ascent to the top of the fortress and there are the two moblins sniffing around. That whole bit with the rats is stupid.
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I'm getting tired of stealth sections, really. The one in Wind Waker was great though.
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Wind Waker is my favorite zelda game. The feeling of sailing all over the place is awesome because I like open-world games a ton.
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Wind Waker is my favorite zelda game. The feeling of sailing all over the place is awesome because I like open-world games a ton.
:tup
Skyward Sword surpassed WW, so it's now my second favorite Zelda game, but I agree with what you said.
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I would have been more keen on WW if we had more large islands to explore instead of these little ones you'd stop at once and never visit again. Optional islands as big as Outset would have been great. I also wish they had kept the fire and ice islands as full-blown dungeons like they had originally planned, along with the dungeon for the third pearl. I think I heard that those three dungeons were given up on so they could get the game out by a certain date. Otherwise, the game's pretty awesome. It just feels like there could have been more.
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Wind Waker is my favorite zelda game. The feeling of sailing all over the place is awesome because I like open-world games a ton.
Open-world games are only as good as the massive amounts of content they have in them. Which Wind Waker did not.
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The sailing would have been cool if I could have just left it do its thing and not had to worry about some jerk attacking me.
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The sailing would have been cool if I could have just left it do its thing and not had to worry about some jerk attacking me.
But that would have been so empty, what you just said is exactly what they wanted to avoid.
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But they just made it worse.
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But they just made it worse.
I disagree, and you got that one song that made you able to transport later anyways. So if you didn't like the combat, you could just teleport to a destination.
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I never got that far :P
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Taking a stroll down memory lane with Oracle of Seasons. I haven't played this game since I first beat it on the 'ole GBC back in the Summer of...whenever it came out. Seems like eons ago now... *Tear* *Sniffle sniffle* They don't make games like they used to. I love the music to this game. Gotta appreciate the beeps and boops.
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I never got that far :P
It's pretty early in the game :p.
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Wind Waker is my favorite zelda game. The feeling of sailing all over the place is awesome because I like open-world games a ton.
Open-world games are only as good as the massive amounts of content they have in them. Which Wind Waker did not.
Yes, but it still had an open world feel with the fact that you could sail pretty much anywhere once you reached a certain point in the game.
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I never got that far :P
It's pretty early in the game :p.
I got to the point where I got a leaf so I might have done it.
I can't really remember.
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Playing Majora's Mask right now and the dog racing thing may be the dumbest thing ever.
NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOUR DOG IS, IT JUST GETS STUCK BEHIND ALL THE OTHER ONES!
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You gotta talk to them using the leader hat or something, and there are certain phrases they say that indicate how well they'll do.
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I did. It was the mask of truth you had to use.
I eventually got it.
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I've finally 100%'d Link's Awakening which makes my third 100% Zelda game.
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The closest I've got to doing that in was OOT but I couldn't be bothered finding all the golden skulltulas because the prize for getting all 100 is dumb.
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It is indeed! Yeah, Link's Awakening is much easier to manage in that respect. You don't have to get all 26 secret seashells to get the Level 2 sword and there are only 12 heart pieces.
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Nice.
I'm trying to go for 100% on Majora's Mask. I've 19 heart pieces, two quiver upgrades, the big bomb bag, quite a few masks and I've only just done the first temple so I think I'm doing pretty well so far.
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19 heart pieces by the first dungeon? Goddamn... :lol
I've never attempted a 100% for MM and honestly I haven't even replayed it since my first finished game over a decade ago. I want to, it just feels like too big an undertaking to just sorta casually give it a go.
Kinda the problem with those later Zeldas, really. I beat LA in less than 12 hours, LOZ I could probably finish in an afternoon.
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I mean, I've gone around doing quite a few things since I finished the first dungeon but yeah.
Getting the heart piece from the swamp shooting gallery was REALLY difficult. I spent a good hour or something trying to beat that today :lol
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I don't remember that one as well, is it as bad as OoT's Gerudo Shooting Gallery?
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Worse, I would say.
You have to be really fast at shooting. REALLY FAST.
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The problem with those later Zeldas, really. I beat LA in less than 12 hours, LOZ I could probably finish in an afternoon.
A year ago I did a 100% LttP playthrough in about 9 hours. I was very surprised, considering back when I first bought the game in 1992 it took me 3 months to beat it.
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The last page inspired me to check out some of my old Zelda save files. On Master Quest I got all of the heart pieces/containers, and most of the items, but I am missing the 5th bottle (actually the 4th bottle) and 26 golden skulltullas. I was surpised to see I was stilling missing quite a few heart pieces from Majora's Mask, TP and Wind Waker. For Skyward Sword I have everything except for about 4 heart pieces (almost all of them related to mini games)
I guess I have never completely 100%'d any Zelda game.
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100%
TLoZ
TAoL
ALttP (not including the FS fetch quest for the hurricane spin attack)
LA
OoT (not including Master Quest)
MM
FS (not including ALttP bonus quests)
FSA
TMC
Completed
OoA/OoS
TWW
TP
PH
ST
Unplayed
SS
I'm pretty much done with Zelda though. Maybe sometime later in my life, I'll get back to it.
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Goddamn H... :omg:
I haven't even completed AoL and ALttP, let alone 100%'d them.
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I'll be the first to admit that I pretty much used a walkthrough for both of those games almost the entire way through.
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It's OK, I used a walkthrough for LA from the sixth dungeon on, and for OoT from Water Temple on (understandably so, I think).
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I find that I don't really need a Walkthough for the dungeons or main story-line stuff, but I've never been able to obtain all the heart pieces, skulltula tokens, masks, etc. on my own.
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I'm not sure I've even finished OoT 100% (maybe, although I don't recall getting every single Skulltula, but I definitely got all the heart pieces).
I have finished OoT, WW and TTP, but I didn't do much exploring on TTP till near the end, and the whole idea of getting heart pieces in WW was so much of a kick in the nuts that I don't recall bothering with more than 1 or 2. And despite repeated attempts, MM has never managed to hold me until even the first dungeon. :-\
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They really should have let you choose which order you wanted to do things in MM. I find the Goron, Zora, and Ikana Valley storylines to be way more interesting than the Deku one.
And on a side note, I find that as I get older, I'm taking longer to complete games. When I bought ALttP last year, I spent the next month on it, just genuinely exploring the world and sightseeing for the hell of it.
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I'm finding just the opposite. As a younger boy, I would take months or years to complete a Zelda game because I was playing to enjoy. Now I play to win and the longer Zelda games may take one month, if that.
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I think I'm much more of a completionist now than I was when I was a kid. I spend so much time doing sidequests in games...
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I applaud you all who have finished any of these games 100% through; even with a walkthrough/guide. I never had the patience for that.
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AFAIC, for LoZ and LA anyway, that's all it is: a matter of time and patience.
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I think I'm gonna try and get all the golden skulltullas in my old Master Quest save... are there any that are one time only, as in if you miss them the first time you can't get back to them or anythng?
The other is the Poe quest for the bottle, which I have never completed.
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Don't think so.
The poe quest is fairly easy except for a couple of them that decide to go into a wall as soon as you look at them.
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One of my two recent eBay buys;
(https://i.ebayimg.com/t/Legend-Zelda-Nintendo-1987-GOLD-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqZHJFUE91-s7eVEBPd1)Yi8vQ~~60_58.JPG)
I also ordered a screwdriver to crack open this and any other games with batteries. I will be replacing them all to give a new life to them hopefully.
The intent after another case of semi-impulsive NES buying is to actually play this one, both quests, without looking anything up. I highly doubt I will do that, but I will try to keep it to a minimum.
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I mean, like I said, I can conquer LoZ in an afternoon, and the only guide I have is an overworld map.
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I also ordered a screwdriver to crack open this and any other games with batteries. I will be replacing them all to give a new life to them hopefully.
Crap. I'll have to do that someday to my copy if it ever dies.
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The battery system is so disappointing. I was so pissed when I lost my Pokemon Silver gamefile with all of my pokemon in their 80s! :(
How are the N64 carts done? Will those eventually die too? And more importantly, is there a way to back up game save files on NES/SNES/Gameboy/N64 games? I still have my original OOT playthrough from when I was 9, I would hate to lose that!
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I think most Nintendo 64 games use EEPROM, SRAM, or FlashRAM.
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I'm finding just the opposite. As a younger boy, I would take months or years to complete a Zelda game because I was playing to enjoy. Now I play to win and the longer Zelda games may take one month, if that.
Granted, I aim for 100% completion too, but when I was a teen, I'd get new games and almost always just keep chugging on with the usual all-nighter to beat a game and unlock/collect everything as quickly as possible. But once I hit college that kind of playing style just stressed the hell out of me. I still try to get everything in a game done, but anything more than 2 hours at a time and I just burn out way earlier than I used to. But I find I'm way less stressed by games nowadays thanks to that.
Of course, the downside is that 1) I don't really have the patience for RPGs anymore, and 2) I now have amassed a massive game backlog, mot of which are *drumroll* RPGs. :lol
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Yeah I dunno, I kinda see it in the opposite sense, wherein if I'm dedicating my videogame playing time to just chillin', I feel like it's a waste of time. I feel like going the completionist, play-to-win route allows me to finish a game as quickly as possible and therefore waste as little time as possible.
As you can imagine, this makes playing Oblivion/Skyrim very difficult for me.
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Lately, I've really struggled to complete RPG games. I get to the end of loads of them but never end up finishing them. The only ones I've completed in the last few years are Xenoblade Chronicles and Mass Effect 3.
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In the past, I rarely completed most games. To be honest, there are only a handful of games I have ever fully completed without cheating, and most of them have been in the past 5 years or so. I can't even think of a game I have beaten 100%, even when I attempt it there are always one or two things I can't beat that prevent me from getting 100%.
I'm actually trying to think of games I've completed the "main game" for without cheating or having a friend help me:
Star Wars: Jedi Knight
Star WarsL Jedi Academy
Full Throttle
Monkey Island 1, 2, 3 and 5
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Diamond/White/Trading Card Game
Metroid Prime 2
Metroid Prime 3
Mario Galaxy (Still need like 7 stars or so, but beat the final boss)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Battlefield 3
I'll say Skyrim since I'm completing the last main quest tonight (last part of Thieve's Guild) so that will be 100% of the trophies, but obviously you don't really "beat" the game
There are a lot of other games I got to the end and couldnt beat the last part, did with a friend, or used cheat codes/level codes, but I won't include those.
Zelda games are probably the series I have completed the most (though none 100%)
Legend of Zelda
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages
Wind Waker
Twilight Princess
The Phantom Hourglass
Skyward Sword
I got really close to the end of ALTTP but I never completed the final dungeon... should probably finish that soon. :lol
I have probably close to 200 games, and those are the only ones I have completed on my own.
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Just got the gilded sword on Majora's Mask. I was quite lucky though. Only had two more hours to speak to the guy in mountain village before it became the second day (takes a day to make the razor sword and then the gilded sword).
I also have 20 heart pieces now and the upgraded magic meter. Finding all those fairies in the second temple was a NIGHTMARE.
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I forgot how much of a bitch the Great Faries Sword is to get... and all of the masks as well. Majora's Mask had a lot of time consuming side quests, didn't it? I might as well get the remaining heart pieces I need, I feel like the other quests were the hardest part. :lol
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So far, I've spent way more time on sidequests than I have on the main story so yeah :lol
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For me, finding the faeries in the Great Bay Temple was definitely the hardest. That entire dungeon is a huge pain if you don't know what you're doing. And you never know what you're doing.
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TheVoxyn told me that was the worst temple.
Stealth...FML
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Zelda should stop with stealth missions. It's just not the right kind of game for it.
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TWW's stealth bit was cool, and so was the brief "stealth" section in TP when you were a wolf in the village.
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The one in TP was okay, but I hated the WW one.
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I don't remember the one in Twilight Princess so it must not have been that bad.
The Wind Waker one sucked hard though.
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I said this before but i actually really like the stealth sections in Skyward Sword. Actually, I hated it when I was playing. :lol But it was stressful and challenging in a good way, and completing those sections was one of the most rewarding feelings I've had in Zelda games. Getting seen and having to dash desperately to safety led to a lot of really close calls, which make the game more enjoyable. All in all, the Zelda series are really easy, and I found this challenging which I think is good.
I wasn't a fan of the stealth sections in Wind Waker or OOT though, because if I remember correctly, if you get seen that's that. In Skyward Sword you had a chance to still get to safety, and at that point it got REALLY intense.
I'm still a huge fan of Skyward Sword. Aside from the sometimes fidgety controls and a bit of linearity in the locations, I think it was the best game since OOT and probably my second favorite behind the formerly mentioned.
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In the past, I rarely completed most games. To be honest, there are only a handful of games I have ever fully completed without cheating, and most of them have been in the past 5 years or so. I can't even think of a game I have beaten 100%, even when I attempt it there are always one or two things I can't beat that prevent me from getting 100%.
I'm actually trying to think of games I've completed the "main game" for without cheating or having a friend help me:
Star Wars: Jedi Knight
Star WarsL Jedi Academy
Full Throttle
Monkey Island 1, 2, 3 and 5
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Diamond/White/Trading Card Game
Metroid Prime 2
Metroid Prime 3
Mario Galaxy (Still need like 7 stars or so, but beat the final boss)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Battlefield 3
I'll say Skyrim since I'm completing the last main quest tonight (last part of Thieve's Guild) so that will be 100% of the trophies, but obviously you don't really "beat" the game
There are a lot of other games I got to the end and couldnt beat the last part, did with a friend, or used cheat codes/level codes, but I won't include those.
Zelda games are probably the series I have completed the most (though none 100%)
Legend of Zelda
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages
Wind Waker
Twilight Princess
The Phantom Hourglass
Skyward Sword
I got really close to the end of ALTTP but I never completed the final dungeon... should probably finish that soon. :lol
I have probably close to 200 games, and those are the only ones I have completed on my own.
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I can think of only one game I own where I have not beaten it; Final Fantasy X-2. That was more out of boredom. But I am a rather insane completist. I bought two old NES games that I considered the holy grail, or pinnacle of challenge back in the day. I have since beat them.
Only one modern game recently I have not completed 100%, which is Starcraft 2. But that is a little different case, as achievements run the gamut of game variations. I would find it very hard and rare to obtain 100% in that one, and get all the medals or whatever.
But all the Zelda's I have played I have beaten, and the recent ones beaten to 100% (TP & SS). In fact, I get pissed if I do not complete an RPG 100%. Everyone I play I must completely exhaust the game, sans FFX-2.
If one cheats to beat a game, I do not really think I beat the game then, as it is not up to the develop's vision of completion in a way. It is ok if one uses cheats to get better at the game, and then beat it without cheats.
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TWW's stealth bit was cool, and so was the brief "stealth" section in TP when you were a wolf in the village.
I thought the wolf part of TP was pointless and not enjoyable at all. I didn’t mind the stealth part of TWW, I thought it added an interesting new wrinkle.
For me, finding the faeries in the Great Bay Temple was definitely the hardest. That entire dungeon is a huge pain if you don't know what you're doing. And you never know what you're doing.
:lol Some Zelda level designer must have had a traumatizing experience with water when he was a kid to make those water levels so damn annoying.
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I just finished Skyward Sword in hero mode this morning.
Unfortunately I think my opinion of the game the second time through has lowered even more. Some of the characters verbally acknowledge that you are in hero mode, therefore they are conscious that you are on at least your second play through, yet they still don't let you skip any dialogue. This makes the beginning of the game especially slow to get through, and really takes the intensity out of some of the would-be action sequences since you have to listen to Groose talk about his machine for five minutes even though you clearly already know how to use it. The only thing skippable are the cutscenes (on the second play through), which coincidentally are the only parts I didn't want to skip.
The linearity really bugged me (and this is coming from someone who loves Twilight Princess), and I think the Fire Sanctuary is one of the worst dungeons in any Zelda game. The mechanics of it are weird, and some of the ones introduced here don't even work later in the game, like seeing the ground above you while you're underground in 2D mode. Another weird element introduced is the whole ordeal about putting a drop of water in lava and it turns into a rock you can step on? And it will sink quickly, unless of course there is a current in the lava river then it will last a long time?
And I don't know about anyone else, but I think this is the worst roster of enemies any of the games has ever had.
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I still need to complete SS...
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TWW's stealth bit was cool, and so was the brief "stealth" section in TP when you were a wolf in the village.
I thought the wolf part of TP was pointless and not enjoyable at all. I didn’t mind the stealth part of TWW, I thought it added an interesting new wrinkle.
The Tears of Light parts were totally annoying. But wouldn't you agree that the first time you became a wolf and got to snoop around your village was pretty cool?
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So, I've just got the song that those tadpole Zoras teach you after finding all the eggs.
That stealth section in the pirate fortress was laughably easy with the stone mask. I ran around hitting all the guards just because I could.
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Booooo, lame. That's one of the best parts of the game!
EDIT: And oh crap, you've still got the best dungeon in Zelda history ahead of you. You're in for an awesome time pretty soon.
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A Link to the Past was released in the United States twenty years ago today. :smiley:
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Holy Jesus I'm old.
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Booooo, lame. That's one of the best parts of the game!
Well, I don't enjoy stealth sections in Zelda games so I'm glad I didn't have to be sneaky.
Also, Sander/Voxyn told me he stopped playing at that point in the game because he disliked it so much :lol
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Miyamoto recently said he'd be "interested in creating something new maybe based on, or starting from, A Link To The Past."
Another game with ALTTP influence or style would be cool, since I think that game is almost perfect. It has an open-ended feel that Skyward Sword and other recent games lack. I'd also be okay with a 3D remake of it, but I'd rather have something new first.
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I saw that; I thought he meant a game in the same style as ALttP, or a direct sequel (which I would LOVE).
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I saw that; I thought he meant a game in the same style as ALttP, or a direct sequel (which I would LOVE).
Yes, I know. That's why I said I'd ALSO be okay with a remake.
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I just want another overhead game. That doesn't use a stylus.
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Agreed.
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Going to this next Friday! https://zelda-symphony.com/
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Lucky. That orchestral CD that came with Skyward Sword was amazing.
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I saw that; I thought he meant a game in the same style as ALttP, or a direct sequel (which I would LOVE).
Boner engage.
-J
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Making 2d nintendo games has seemed to be a trend lately... I'm surprised we haven't gotten a 2D overhead Zelda game on the wii yet.
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Nomination for most annoying mini-boss in Majora's Mask:
STUPID EYE THING THAT HAS PINK ORBS SURROUNDING IT
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Oh you mean the one based on this guy?
(https://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda03/Bosses/Vitreous.png)
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I do.
Also, the main boss in that temple was annoying as hell.
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I hate all of that dungeon with a passion. Interestingly - and ZeldaDungeon.net honed in on this as well - I hate all water-themed dungeons.
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/2012/04/water-dungeons-and-their-infamy/#more-37861
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I didn't find the dungeon all that bad. It was just the mini-boss + main boss.
Also, constantly changing between ice and fire arrows. Also...constantly changing between zora and human.
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Yeeeahhhhhh, so... :lol
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I hate all of that dungeon with a passion. Interestingly - and ZeldaDungeon.net honed in on this as well - I hate all water-themed dungeons.
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/2012/04/water-dungeons-and-their-infamy/#more-37861
You go to ZD, by any chance? I think I've seen you around.
I like the Water Temple, and I think the 3DS version takes care of most of the annoyances. The only water dungeon I remember HATING was the one in MM. The Lakebed Temple in TP was one of the few things I liked about that game.
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I remember being stuck on the water temple in TP. The water theme dungeon in SS wasn't bad though.
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Yeeeahhhhhh, so... :lol
The most frustrating part about changing between the arrows (particularly if you messed up) was that the animation for putting them into a particular slot TOOK SO LONG.
I could only keep my sanity by mimicking the WSHHHHHHHHH sound it made every time you changed arrow type.
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I get stuck in video games all the time, and there are two types of 'being stuck' for me; 1) Hmm. I'm stuck, this is a challenge to figure out how to proceed, and 2) FFS this is so annoying it's not fun anymore! The water temples in OoT and MM were in category #1; Lakebed/Lakebay in TP almost moved in to category #2.
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I hate all of that dungeon with a passion. Interestingly - and ZeldaDungeon.net honed in on this as well - I hate all water-themed dungeons.
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/2012/04/water-dungeons-and-their-infamy/#more-37861
You go to ZD, by any chance? I think I've seen you around.
I like the Water Temple, and I think the 3DS version takes care of most of the annoyances. The only water dungeon I remember HATING was the one in MM. The Lakebed Temple in TP was one of the few things I liked about that game.
'Fraid not, I go to ZD to get all my Zelda news, but I go to ZU to scratch my foruming itch. :p
Actually, H used to be a member there.
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I still need to complete SS...
I'm really in no hurry to finish it. Definitely my least favorite Zelda (never played any of the hand helds). OOT and TP are light years better in my opinion.
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Lakebed Temple was so difficult for me the first time.
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I would have to agree. Not that anything in particular was hard about it, I just had a lot of "what now?" moments.
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How far on into the game was Lakebed temple?
Because I can't really remember it but I know I got quite close to the end of the game.
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It's the third dungeon in Twilight Princess.
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Oh I definitely did that then. Since I don't remember it, it can't have been that bad :P
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No, the worst dungeon in TP has got to be the Yeti's mansion. I hate ice block puzzles SO much.
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Yeah, Snowpeak Ruins also gave me some trouble.
NOT TAKE MIRROR
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Lakebed Temple was so difficult for me the first time.
This. It's fucking hard to get places in that dungeon.
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I still need to complete SS...
I'm really in no hurry to finish it. Definitely my least favorite Zelda (never played any of the hand helds). OOT and TP are light years better in my opinion.
Agreed.
Yeah, Snowpeak Ruins also gave me some trouble.
NOT TAKE MIRROR
It's tricky, but I loved it. The ball and chain is badass.
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To clarify, I mean the dungeon Snowpeak Ruins was hard, not so much the boss. Blizzeta is really memorable though. :)
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I still need to complete SS...
I'm really in no hurry to finish it. Definitely my least favorite Zelda (never played any of the hand helds). OOT and TP are light years better in my opinion.
Ah that's such a shame. SS is in my top 3 with MM and OoT. Couldn't stand TP.
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I don't hate any Zelda titles except Zelda II, but TP and SS are basically tied in my book because I think they're both awesome for the exact same reasons.
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TP is one of the best them.
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Wow...the mirror shield certainly looks strange in Majora's Mask :lol
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Is there anything about MM that isn't weird?
Also, the whole time I was playing TP I couldn't enjoy it because of what I thought it could be. Midna, however, is a great character.
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Is there anything about MM that isn't weird?
...no
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The thing that sticks out most is the dancing sister and Kamaro's mask sidequest.
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Is there anything about MM that isn't weird?
Also, the whole time I was playing TP I couldn't enjoy it because of what I thought it could be. Midna, however, is a great character.
This is how I felt about Skyward Sword. A game primarily centered in the sky, and no sky dungeon. Hell, there were only like two different flying enemies in the whole game. Actually, I think that's where the game was the weakest, the enemy department. 80% of the enemies are Bokoblins, and while we have seven dungeons, two of those bosses are Ghirahim, and another two look like Mike from Monsters Inc.
I really tried to like the art style, but it's awful. :-[
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The thing that sticks out most is the dancing sister and Kamaro's mask sidequest.
I just got that song that makes statue copies of yourself...those guys look pretty freaky...
The aliens thing is pretty weird as well.
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You ever see the Bendrowned creepypasta?
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One of H's first posts here was in fact about jadusable's YouTube series. :p
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That video was creepy as shit, and I hated the Link statue long before I ever saw that.
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You ever see the Bendrowned creepypasta?
Yeah :lol
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Majora's Mask is creepy, but I feel like some Zelda fans have been overexaggerating that aspect recently. Stuff like the Ben thing probably helped make the game seem more disturbing than it really is. That said, it's still the weirdest Zelda game.
One of my mini problems with Skyward Sword is that it didn't have anything too freaky in it. The bottom floor of the Ancient Cistern was kind of tame, and the Imprisoned could have been scarier.
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Majora's Mask is creepy, but I feel like some Zelda fans have been overexaggerating that aspect recently. Stuff like the Ben thing probably helped make the game seem more disturbing than it really is. That said, it's still the weirdest Zelda game.
One of my mini problems with Skyward Sword is that it didn't have anything too freaky in it. The bottom floor of the Ancient Cistern was kind of tame, and the Imprisoned could have been scarier.
Yeah, as a kid the only part I found legitimately creepy or scary about the game was the moon crashing sequence.
I think this sequence is much freakier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRa14eIa750
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TP is a serious and dark game.
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That TP scene is somewhat unsettling. For me, the scariest Zelda thing is Dead Hand, that dude from the Bottom of the Well and the Shadow Temple. :eek
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Oh yeah, the Shadow Temple for sure. Playing OoT just this past summer even, I was scared shitless of that place. :lol
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I stopped playing Oot in the shadow temple because I was scared.
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One of H's first posts here was in fact about jadusable's YouTube series. :p
Honestly, not surprised. Very funny.
You shouldn't have done that
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Finally finished the Stone Tower and I got the great fairy sword :D
Now time to finish doing all the side quests...
Edit: GOD DAMMIT. I just found out there's two outcomes/prizes to the stupid quest where you reunite the guy with the keaton mask and the inn keeper SO I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN
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Finally finished the Stone Tower and I got the great fairy sword :D
Now time to finish doing all the side quests...
Edit: GOD DAMMIT. I just found out there's two outcomes/prizes to the stupid quest where you reunite the guy with the keaton mask and the inn keeper SO I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN
Quest is such a whip but so great once you finish it.
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Boom. Finished Majora's Mask 100%.
The last boss with the Fierce Deity's Mask = lol.
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thought i should post this here.. FINALLY GOT AROUND TO MOUNTING MY SHEILD! i love zelda <3
(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Scrub206/IMAG0522.jpg)
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Is that some eyefinity I see there?
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indeed it is.. BUT DAT SHEILD (trying to keep topic related xD )
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That is one sexy set up you got there, and one hell of a beautiful replica.
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Thanks! I also have the mastersword that i just need to figure out how to mount it and where
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I don't suppose you got that at Comic Con, did you? 'Cause I have one that looks just like it.
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Zelda Symphony tonight! How does someone dress for this type of occasion? lol
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Depends. Is there a laser light show that goes with it?
I realized that I might not be a huge fan of Zelda games after all. I loved MM and WW, but with the past two console games, as soon as I got to the first dungeon, I lost the will to play. I love the story, but the pain of the dungeons overpower it.
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I have no idea if there is a light show. The "about" section on the website is blank. I haven't seen any reviews or anything either!
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Depends. Is there a laser light show that goes with it?
I realized that I might not be a huge fan of Zelda games after all. I loved MM and WW, but with the past two console games, as soon as I got to the first dungeon, I lost the will to play. I love the story, but the pain of the dungeons overpower it.
Go backwards then. I personally recommend Link's Awakening.
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Zelda Symphony tonight! How does someone dress for this type of occasion? lol
Final Fantasy Distant Worlds was mostly standard dress attire. A few people cosplayed that I saw (I was disappointed that I didn't see more). Anyone getting down to the casual side of business casual definitely stuck out.
These things are still events, but with the theme and crowd I think you see a little more flair.
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I don't suppose you got that at Comic Con, did you? 'Cause I have one that looks just like it.
nope got it for christmas. the sheild is a nice fiberglass. its heavy and feels almost real xD
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Ah cool, yeah I don't know what mine is made of but heavy certainly matches mine's description as well. :lol
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Zelda Symphony tonight! How does someone dress for this type of occasion? lol
Final Fantasy Distant Worlds was mostly standard dress attire. A few people cosplayed that I saw (I was disappointed that I didn't see more). Anyone getting down to the casual side of business casual definitely stuck out.
These things are still events, but with the theme and crowd I think you see a little more flair.
Soooo... are dressy jeans okay? Or do I need my dress pants?
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Unless the place you go has a strict dress code you really can wear whatever you want. It's more a matter of how much you want to blend in or how self-conscious you get about these things. I'm assuming this is at a regular symphony, right? With jeans you would have stuck out at the Distant Worlds I went to, but I doubt anybody would have cared. ...your best bet might be to find photos of the audiences people have taken if you want to fit in. Otherwise, dress how you feel best for it, then it doesn't matter if you fit in or not.
Modify: I would add that your dress to a symphony is, in a way, an expression of your respect for the performers.
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Everyone will be dressed as Tingle.
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Okay so I'll wear my dress pants, but wont go full out in a dress! I'll avoid the jeans. I would rather be too dressy than underdressed.
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Bought Ocarina Of Time 3D today. So I'll switch to that whenever Etrian Odyssey kicks my ass.
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Bought Ocarina Of Time 3D today. So I'll switch to that whenever Etrian Odyssey kicks my ass.
Which Etrian Odyssey? I played the second one and loved it, and I have the third one but haven't gotten around to playing it yet.
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I'm on the first one. I own all three but I want to go in order. Dungeon crawlers are pretty fun when I'm bored. And this series pretty much destroys you at every turn, so it'll take a while. I hear EO3 makes the mapmaking easier, though.
And I heard I can transfer my team to the second one when I'm done via password. EO4 is coming out for 3DS, and that one looks fun as well.
Man, I get off-topic here. :lol
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Oh cool, I didn't know about the fourth one. Looks like the trailer for it just came out.
On another note, Ocarina of Time 3D is great. A new Zelda game on the 3DS with that graphical style would be fantastic.
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The symphony thing was awesome! Wind Waker looks like a really cute and fun game. Going to see about getting it to play on the wii. Majora's Mask looked like the strangest video game ever! haha Got to do a meet and great after the show with the producer and conductor. Also took a pic wth some really nice looking cosplay peoples:
(https://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/578549_10150715691084849_599679848_9936312_1581088582_n.jpg)
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Holy crap, dat Ganondorf.
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Boom. Finished Majora's Mask 100%.
The last boss with the Fierce Deity's Mask = lol.
Yeah, don't battle the final boss with that mask on. :lol
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Spam B until the end of time.
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Holy crap, dat Ganondorf.
this.
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Wow, they really did make the Water Temple easier with those neon paths.
Next up is the Well and the Shadow Temple... 14 years later, I still don't want to go in. :|
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Neon paths? I assume this is on 3DS? What did they do exactly?
I mean, I understand they're trying to make an impossible dungeon easier, but they shouldn't make it *too* easy...
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I've played the 3DS version and I don't remember the neon paths :lol
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Neon paths? I assume this is on 3DS? What did they do exactly?
I mean, I understand they're trying to make an impossible dungeon easier, but they shouldn't make it *too* easy...
Basically, in the 3DS version, they do two things that make the Water Temple way the hell easier. Three doors in the main room are covered in either green, blue, or red neon. Go through the door, and a neon line will follow along the wall to a different water level switch. It makes it much easier to backtrack to them instead of having to memorize where they are. Also, the iron boots are now equipped like they were in Windwaker, making it easier to switch them on and off. I think that's a change, anyway. I think in the original OoT you had to keep going to the pause screen to put them on?
(https://www.zeldawiki.org/images/d/d0/Water_Temple_OoT3D.png)
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Yep, in the original you had to pause and go to the same screen where you change the tunic/sword/shield etc. I much prefer it as an item you can equip easily, so that's a good change.
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Played Ocarina of Time for the first time in ages today.
oh my god fucking Kaepora Gaebora
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Did you get all of that
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Press B B B B B FUCK!
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"If you would like me to fly you back to Hyrule Castle Town, Link, just grab my feathers."
Me: "No, I'm not done here ye--OH DAMN IT I TOUCHED HIM!"
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THE WORST :lol
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All of Link's "helpers" seem out to get him.
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My flatmate is getting killed by the Ocarina song memorization game. It's quite painful to watch.
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-636SKmi8aYE/TaIWD6OO0YI/AAAAAAAAARE/lBzfCHmJQqg/s1600/THERES-LIKE-THIS-CASTLE-IN-A-MAGIC-BUBBLE-ON-THE-OCEAN-FLOOR-I-WENT-THERE-IN-MY-TALKING-DRAGON-BOAT.jpg)
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:lol Good shit.
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:lol
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Getting back into Zelda. I always play it in phases. Right now I'm working on the two Oracles games. There's a normal, secret, and hero quest for each. My goal is 100% each quest for each game...that's six playthroughs in total. Fortunately, the rings transfer around, so that shouldn't be too tough.
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(https://i.imgur.com/NGcGn.gif)
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(https://i.imgur.com/NGcGn.gif)
:lol
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And one for you...https://thegreenthbeatle.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/the-legacy-of-zelda/
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Very cool, Dude. Your writeup is interesting! Even though I knew everything basically, it's cool to hear someone who has the same sentiments about Zelda. :)
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I'm really itching for news about a new Zelda game. My biggest wish: less linearity.
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I agree, less linearity than other Zelda games, but I'm sick of the linearity trend everywhere else in the industry. I actually found I don't like "do whatever the hell you want" games like Skyrim anymore.
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Yeah, I mean less linear than recent Zelda games. The areas of Skyward Sword really felt like levels, and the amount of exploration and sidequests wasn't as extensive as I'd like.
Also, I'd like more difficulty and combat. It seems like recent Zelda games are more skewed towards puzzles than fighting. I think the developers should look to ALTTP for inspiration, since that game had a nice open feel to it, plus a good difficulty level from the large amount of enemies breathing down Link's neck all the time.
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Now that I've given Skyward Sword some breathing room after my second play through, I can honestly say I was pretty let down by it.
Interesting that the game was received so well overall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the things people complained about in Twilight Princess like hand holding and linearity, were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Secondly, it has sold the worst of any console Zelda title except for Majora's Mask.
That said, flaws and all I loved Twilight Princess, but there were just way too many backward steps taken in Skyward Sword for me to really love it. I think in a lot of ways it's like the Other M of the Zelda franchise.
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Now that I've given Skyward Sword some breathing room after my second play through, I can honestly say I was pretty let down by it.
Interesting that the game was received so well overall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the things people complained about in Twilight Princess like hand holding and linearity, were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Secondly, it has sold the worst of any console Zelda title except for Majora's Mask.
That said, flaws and all I loved Twilight Princess, but there were just way too many backward steps taken in Skyward Sword for me to really love it. I think in a lot of ways it's like the Other M of the Zelda franchise.
I thought the story was pretty good for a Zelda game, and the characters were pretty well done.
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I agree, less linearity than other Zelda games, but I'm sick of the linearity trend everywhere else in the industry. I actually found I don't like "do whatever the hell you want" games like Skyrim anymore.
I agree. I find this whole concept of "open" games a bit overhyped. All games have a funnel at some point for story lines.
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Now that I've given Skyward Sword some breathing room after my second play through, I can honestly say I was pretty let down by it.
Interesting that the game was received so well overall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the things people complained about in Twilight Princess like hand holding and linearity, were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Secondly, it has sold the worst of any console Zelda title except for Majora's Mask.
That said, flaws and all I loved Twilight Princess, but there were just way too many backward steps taken in Skyward Sword for me to really love it. I think in a lot of ways it's like the Other M of the Zelda franchise.
I thought the story was pretty good for a Zelda game, and the characters were pretty well done.
I thought the story was okay, but I definitely disagree about the characters.
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I just got to the Faron(?) Woods in SS, and I already like this game way much more than TP. For much of TP, I had this 'What am I doing, and why do I care?' feeling as I was going through the game. I sorta missed the whole point of the story, and didn’t care about my quests or anything or anyone I encountered along the way. And I barely remember much about it at this point.
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Now that I've given Skyward Sword some breathing room after my second play through, I can honestly say I was pretty let down by it.
Interesting that the game was received so well overall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the things people complained about in Twilight Princess like hand holding and linearity, were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Secondly, it has sold the worst of any console Zelda title except for Majora's Mask.
That said, flaws and all I loved Twilight Princess, but there were just way too many backward steps taken in Skyward Sword for me to really love it. I think in a lot of ways it's like the Other M of the Zelda franchise.
I thought the story was pretty good for a Zelda game, and the characters were pretty well done.
I thought the story was okay, but I definitely disagree about the characters.
I never said all of them. :P
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Now that I've given Skyward Sword some breathing room after my second play through, I can honestly say I was pretty let down by it.
Interesting that the game was received so well overall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the things people complained about in Twilight Princess like hand holding and linearity, were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Secondly, it has sold the worst of any console Zelda title except for Majora's Mask.
That said, flaws and all I loved Twilight Princess, but there were just way too many backward steps taken in Skyward Sword for me to really love it. I think in a lot of ways it's like the Other M of the Zelda franchise.
I was really disappointed by SS. I enjoy almost all Zelda games (even Phantom Hourglass), but too many things missed the mark in SS for me. I thought the game was fine during the beginning, but it started losing steam after the first visit to the desert. One thing I didn't like that I never hear about is SPOILERZ: Zelda actually being a goddess in human form.
I vastly prefer Twilight Princess. Did a lot of people who don't like TP play the Wii version? I only played the GameCube version, so I have no complaints about lame motion controls.
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Now that I've given Skyward Sword some breathing room after my second play through, I can honestly say I was pretty let down by it.
Interesting that the game was received so well overall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the things people complained about in Twilight Princess like hand holding and linearity, were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Secondly, it has sold the worst of any console Zelda title except for Majora's Mask.
That said, flaws and all I loved Twilight Princess, but there were just way too many backward steps taken in Skyward Sword for me to really love it. I think in a lot of ways it's like the Other M of the Zelda franchise.
I was really disappointed by SS. I enjoy almost all Zelda games (even Phantom Hourglass), but too many things missed the mark in SS for me. I thought the game was fine during the beginning, but it started losing steam after the first visit to the desert. One thing I didn't like that I never hear about is SPOILERZ: Zelda actually being a goddess in human form.
I vastly prefer Twilight Princess. Did a lot of people who don't like TP play the Wii version? I only played the GameCube version, so I have no complaints about lame motion controls.
I've only played the Wii version but I love it. The sword controls are maybe the only area where I feel that Skyward Sword actually outshines Twilight Princess, though it's a shame they had to overdo it by using motion controls for swimming and a couple other mundane things.
Funny you mention the beginning, I found that part an absolute chore to get through. Until you actually land on the surface, you spend way more time watching the game than playing it, with unskippable cutscenes and dialogue. And it's all so lighthearted and goofy, it really makes it extra hard to get through if you aren't a particular fan of the art style, which I wasn't (on a side note, no game released in 2011 should look this bad, it's inexcusable). It's an extra bit of chore on Hero Mode, since some of the characters acknowledge that it's your second play through, yet still lecture you and make you do all the tutorial stuff (at least you can skip the cut scenes this time around).
Back in 1986 it was simply "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this!". Bam. Adventure.
Now the games require two hours of intro before you actually do anything relevant. This was a problem in Twilight Princess as well, but it was not nearly as severe.
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It's actually an endemic problem in most gaming these days. That's why I love Journey for example, because it's one of the rare modern instances of pick up and play.
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Funny you mention the beginning, I found that part an absolute chore to get through. Until you actually land on the surface, you spend way more time watching the game than playing it, with unskippable cutscenes and dialogue. And it's all so lighthearted and goofy, it really makes it extra hard to get through if you aren't a particular fan of the art style, which I wasn't (on a side note, no game released in 2011 should look this bad, it's inexcusable). It's an extra bit of chore on Hero Mode, since some of the characters acknowledge that it's your second play through, yet still lecture you and make you do all the tutorial stuff (at least you can skip the cut scenes this time around).
I liked the game until after the first visit to the desert because everything was new. After that, the repetitive tedium of revisiting the same places over again set in. I didn't realize at first that there would only be three regions to visit, so my hopes were kind of dashed.
One of my favorite parts of games is all the towns and characters and NPC dialogue, and I actually wanted more towns in SS. The surface feels strangely empty, as does the sky (a real missed opportunity). But yeah, I never liked the art style.
I don't know how anybody can play Hero Mode after beating it once. I was sick as hell of the game the first time. :lol
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Funny you mention the beginning, I found that part an absolute chore to get through. Until you actually land on the surface, you spend way more time watching the game than playing it, with unskippable cutscenes and dialogue. And it's all so lighthearted and goofy, it really makes it extra hard to get through if you aren't a particular fan of the art style, which I wasn't (on a side note, no game released in 2011 should look this bad, it's inexcusable). It's an extra bit of chore on Hero Mode, since some of the characters acknowledge that it's your second play through, yet still lecture you and make you do all the tutorial stuff (at least you can skip the cut scenes this time around).
I liked the game until after the first visit to the desert because everything was new. After that, the repetitive tedium of revisiting the same places over again set in. I didn't realize at first that there would only be three regions to visit, so my hopes were kind of dashed.
One of my favorite parts of games is all the towns and characters and NPC dialogue, and I actually wanted more towns in SS. The surface feels strangely empty, as does the sky (a real missed opportunity). But yeah, I never liked the art style.
I don't know how anybody can play Hero Mode after beating it once. I was sick as hell of the game the first time. :lol
Yeah, the way the map was set up was pretty sorry. Three regions that are not connected and no way to warp between them. Hyrule was really more like three unconnected obstacle courses this time around. Pity.
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If you could eventually travel between the forest, volcano, and desert by foot, it would have been improved greatly. Having to go back to the sky was a bummer. Oh well. I know it sounds like I hate Skyward Sword, but it was still alright despite its many faults. Just not up to the quality I expect from Zelda.
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CONVERSTION CHANGE!!!!
I've never beaten legend of zelda on NES. Remember years ago when I showed myself play through smb3 on my webcam? How about doing something similar where I play Zelda but you guys guide me whee to go? Itd be fun for me, and fun for you because you'd be reliving it and laughing at me.
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CONVERSTION CHANGE!!!!
I've never beaten legend of zelda on NES. Remember years ago when I showed myself play through smb3 on my webcam? How about doing something similar where I play Zelda but you guys guide me whee to go and beat it on my own, like everyone else had to? Itd be fun for me, and fun for you because you'd be reliving it and laughing at me.
I'd be down for that :D
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CONVERSTION CHANGE!!!!
I've never beaten legend of zelda on NES. Remember years ago when I showed myself play through smb3 on my webcam? How about doing something similar where I play Zelda but you guys guide me whee to go? Itd be fun for me, and fun for you because you'd be reliving it and laughing at me.
It's probably three times harder than the next zelda game. But if you go for it with no walkthrough, and just our guidance...it might be interesting. Good effing luck.
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It's probably three times harder than the next zelda game. But if you go for it with no walkthrough, and just our guidance...it might be interesting. Good effing luck.
Huh? AoL was much, much more difficult than LoZ.
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It's probably three times harder than the next zelda game. But if you go for it with no walkthrough, and just our guidance...it might be interesting. Good effing luck.
Huh? AoL was much, much more difficult than LoZ.
Yeah, totally. I finished LoZ, barely got past the first dungeon in AoL.
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They were both difficult, but I think the very nature of the gameplay changes in Zelda II make it more difficult.
Also, in case anyone was interested, there are three ten-minute shorts that were just released independently if Zelda happened to be a Western. There is not a whole lot worth writing home about but Zelda and Navi aren't too hard on the eyes.
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If LoZ is successful I'll do AoL with you guys too :) this is as soon as I get another computer which should be in the next month or so.
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I had a much easier time with AoL because I got the combat down. Dungeon layout, for the most part, is easy in AoL. Being good at combat in the first game is much much harder, you can only move in the four d-pad directions (not diagonal) and you can only swipe in front of you. It makes dodging and attacking very difficult.
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Hyrule Historia is being translated and will be released in January in North America, Australia, UK, and other parts of Europe. Yesssssss!
https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/20-921/The-Legend-of-Zelda-Hyrule-Historia-HC (https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/20-921/The-Legend-of-Zelda-Hyrule-Historia-HC)
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That's a must buy.
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fo sho!
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OK here's the deal. Until I get a new computer I can't do the webcam thing. I see myself getting one in the next few weeks. The computer I use is my wife's school computer and I can't install anything without administrative access. So that's a no go. So we'll have to wait.
I'm still playing it though, I have beaten half the game. The thing is, I don't remember how I got that far, since it was like 3 years since I originally did it. I will still basically be playing it raw. So don't worry. You won't have to tell me EVERYTHING but you may have to remind me of some stuff.
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Half the original Zelda? Did you use walkthroughs or something? If not that's pretty good by yourself!
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Meh. Get through Death Mountain in Adventure of Link, then we'll talk. :)
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Starting up Oracle of Ages again, might play Seasons, or Links Awakening after.
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Have fun playing my two favorite Zelda titles, Snow_Dog. :metal Ages and Seasons together is probably one of my favorite games of all time. It gets especially rewarding when you start reaping the rewards of linking (no pun intended) the games together.
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Meh. Get through Death Mountain in Adventure of Link, then we'll talk. :)
You mean those axe guys that can kill you in about 4 seconds, right? The trick is to get the rhythm of their axe swings down, then you can swipe 'em.
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For some reason I've been craving Zelda lately. I'm going to try and replay Majora's Mask soon. What an incredible game. Just thinking about it gives me chills.
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I had the Clock Town theme for the Final Day stuck in my head yesterday. Eerie stuff.
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https://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57506766-1/biggest-zelda-ever-coming-to-wii-u-in-2014-report-says/?ttag=fbwp
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We'll see...before Skyward Sword's release, media outlets were saying it would have something like 80 hours of gameplay.
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There is always one gigantic rumor between console Zelda games. This is one of those.
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My unrealistic dream? It's 2D, which allows enough resources for the largest overworld map in a 2D game ever. :P
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OK here's the deal. Until I get a new computer I can't do the webcam thing. I see myself getting one in the next few weeks. The computer I use is my wife's school computer and I can't install anything without administrative access. So that's a no go. So we'll have to wait.
I'm still playing it though, I have beaten half the game. The thing is, I don't remember how I got that far, since it was like 3 years since I originally did it. I will still basically be playing it raw. So don't worry. You won't have to tell me EVERYTHING but you may have to remind me of some stuff.
Part walk through, part help by watching a friend play it. I dont' remember about 70% of it though.
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(https://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/046/0/a/sucks_to_be_weegie__name_by_kevinbolk-d39mx28.jpg)
Poor Link.
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:lol
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I really hope the next Zelda doesn't have SS style graphics as that rumor states. More like the tech demo, please.
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I really hope the next Zelda doesn't have SS style graphics as that rumor states. More like the tech demo, please.
This. A million times, this.
Hopefully Nintendo needs to look no further than Skyward Sword's sales numbers to know not to venture back into that territory.
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I kinda like the stylized graphics myself, although I wouldn't care if they were more "real" either. Doesn't matter though, Zelda fans are gonna complain anyway.
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True, but if that's the case it'd make sense to not flush money down the toilet by doing a cartoon styled art theme again. Twilight Princess' sales in Japan were considered a "failure" because of the art style, and it still smoked Skyward Sword there. So why not just make a game that will have a wider appeal everywhere else? Because let's face it, unless you're already into Zelda, you're sure not starting with Skyward Sword.
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I loved the graphics to SS (and TWW at that). But they should show off the Wii U by making Zelda just like that tech demo.
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In theory, the supposedly Impressionist graphical style of SS could have worked, but I feel like they just didn't pull it off. The game looks kinda bad for Wii game. TWW graphics, on the other hand, are very appealing to me because they are what they are. It doesn't seem like they're attempting a look but failing.
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SS's graphics look really bad on youtube, but if you see it in real life, they are much more impressive.
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I do agree with that. Watching it is also not nearly as satisfying as playing it, which I imagine would be the case with any game.
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I really hope the next Zelda doesn't have SS style graphics as that rumor states. More like the tech demo, please.
Where does it state that? This was all I could find concerning the graphics of the game:
The insider adds that Zelda for Wii U run in full high-definition, with a new "state of the art" game engine that was built from the ground up. The game reportedly boasts the "most advanced visual features Nintendo has ever made," and includes various third-party technologies, including Havok and Umbra.
The source also claimed that the Zelda demo Nintendo showed during its 2011 Electronic Entertainment Expo was merely a technology presentation made by a different team with an older engine.
And I see nothing about it being in the same style as SS.
SS was one of if not the longest Zelda game ever made, but much of its length involved annoying collection quests and revisiting the same areas multiple times. It was also a bit too kiddy IMO.
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I really hope the next Zelda doesn't have SS style graphics as that rumor states. More like the tech demo, please.
Where does it state that? This was all I could find concerning the graphics of the game:
The insider adds that Zelda for Wii U run in full high-definition, with a new "state of the art" game engine that was built from the ground up. The game reportedly boasts the "most advanced visual features Nintendo has ever made," and includes various third-party technologies, including Havok and Umbra.
The source also claimed that the Zelda demo Nintendo showed during its 2011 Electronic Entertainment Expo was merely a technology presentation made by a different team with an older engine.
And I see nothing about it being in the same style as SS.
Oh. I was assuming that was the same article I read. Here: https://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/ (https://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/)
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I really hope the next Zelda doesn't have SS style graphics as that rumor states. More like the tech demo, please.
Where does it state that? This was all I could find concerning the graphics of the game:
The insider adds that Zelda for Wii U run in full high-definition, with a new "state of the art" game engine that was built from the ground up. The game reportedly boasts the "most advanced visual features Nintendo has ever made," and includes various third-party technologies, including Havok and Umbra.
The source also claimed that the Zelda demo Nintendo showed during its 2011 Electronic Entertainment Expo was merely a technology presentation made by a different team with an older engine.
And I see nothing about it being in the same style as SS.
Oh. I was assuming that was the same article I read. Here: https://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/ (https://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/)
Yeah, I read a different article. Thanks for posting that. Is that forest screenshot from the tech demo as well? Because it looks amazing. Anyway, I can't say that I'm very optimistic about this after reading this quote:
“Nintendo is sticking to the core values of Zelda, while trying to appeal to a wide range of gamers, casual and hardcore”, our source told us, adding, “They feel they’ve found the sweet spot with Skyward Sword, and they’re continuing this approach with the Wii U Zelda game.”
Looks like the mature atmosphere of TP was a one-off attempt, and now they're just staying with the "fun for all ages" approach, never mind the fact that a huge majority of the bestselling games for the past five years or so have been rated M.
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Nintendo's attempts to have Zelda appeal to casual gamers haven't really paid off. I just want a game with more difficulty and no new gimmicks.
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SS's graphics look really bad on youtube, but if you see it in real life, they are much more impressive.
I don't feel like searching for the link now, but there is a youtube video comparing the game footage split screen with the same footage someone ran through a basic anti-aliasing filter. The latter looked significantly better than the game Nintendo released, which is pretty unsettling.
I really hope the next Zelda doesn't have SS style graphics as that rumor states. More like the tech demo, please.
Where does it state that? This was all I could find concerning the graphics of the game:
The insider adds that Zelda for Wii U run in full high-definition, with a new "state of the art" game engine that was built from the ground up. The game reportedly boasts the "most advanced visual features Nintendo has ever made," and includes various third-party technologies, including Havok and Umbra.
The source also claimed that the Zelda demo Nintendo showed during its 2011 Electronic Entertainment Expo was merely a technology presentation made by a different team with an older engine.
And I see nothing about it being in the same style as SS.
Oh. I was assuming that was the same article I read. Here: https://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/ (https://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/)
Yeah, I read a different article. Thanks for posting that. Is that forest screenshot from the tech demo as well? Because it looks amazing. Anyway, I can't say that I'm very optimistic about this after reading this quote:
“Nintendo is sticking to the core values of Zelda, while trying to appeal to a wide range of gamers, casual and hardcore”, our source told us, adding, “They feel they’ve found the sweet spot with Skyward Sword, and they’re continuing this approach with the Wii U Zelda game.”
Looks like the mature atmosphere of TP was a one-off attempt, and now they're just staying with the "fun for all ages" approach, never mind the fact that a huge majority of the bestselling games for the past five years or so have been rated M.
That shot is from Skyward Sword, and to channel my inner Fi, there is a 0.05% chance of that link being true, rounded up.
I would certainly hope the next game is like the 2011 tech demo. I don't know if you saw how the forums and buzz lit up when that was shown, but until it was confirmed that it was a tech demo rather than a game, the fan base all but forgot about Skyward Sword.
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Carrying this over from the chat thread. SO I started playing OoT and I love it. It was suggested on another forum I'm on that I should've played Link to the Past first. So I've taken a short break from OoT to play around with LTTP. I'm now in Hera's Tower with the final boss Moldorm. I'm ready to throw my entire f*cking computer out the damned window. So f*cking frustrating. The most I've managed is 4 hits before getting knocked off. Fuck you, LTTP.
Disclaimer, I'm drunk.
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:rollin Shit, that's a tough boss when you're stone sober. Good luck!
P.S. OoT is still the greatest game of all time and when you reach Kakkariko, say hi to my avatar Grog, cause he's my inspiration and the greatest character ever created. Ohhh you're in for one hell of a game with LttP though. Let us know whenever you beat him.
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No, I was playing it sober, the re-telling of the tale is in drunk mode. :lol LTTP so far is pretty cool, but I'm not nearly as enchanted with it as I am with OoT. Now for the record, I've played Zelda 1, 2, LTTP, and OoT.
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Ah, gotcha. Good stuff! I'm a Zelda addict. Er...used to be. I don't play many games these days and haven't played a Zelda since Twilight, which I didn't like all that much. The Wind Waker was the last great Zelda game in my eyes, but nothing will ever touch OoT. I still just have that one game for my 3DS and play it more than I do my Xbox or any PC games. You should try out the gameboy games next, they're very, very good; especially Link's Awakening. But the Oracles games, Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons are awesome as well, especially with their connectivity and the whole continuity of the storylines interacting.
I just love the characters so very much in all of the Zelda games. They're all extremely quirky and odd and I love them.
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My heart skips a bit every time I see this thread in updated topics. I fucking love Zelda.
Last year, my flatmate at college attempted to play his first ever Zelda game (OoT) while drunk. It was pretty shameful. The dude almost died on Gohma.
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:lol Awesome.
Yeah, other than Final Fantasy, there is no series that affects me like Zelda, nor one that I will love as much. Sadly both of them are dying. Well, Zelda much less so, but I still compare every new Zelda to OoT and end up going to play that instead. SS was a good start (from what I've seen at least), but there's still some magic that's been lost that I cannot even put into words. But I have high hopes for Nintendo, they still make quality games. Sad I can't say the same for Square-Enix, whom I nearly abhor now.
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ALTTP means so much to me. It's probably the game that elicits the most nostalgia from me. Even just the sound effects make me all warm and fuzzy inside.
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:lol Awesome.
Yeah, other than Final Fantasy, there is no series that affects me like Zelda, nor one that I will love as much. Sadly both of them are dying. Well, Zelda much less so, but I still compare every new Zelda to OoT and end up going to play that instead. SS was a good start (from what I've seen at least), but there's still some magic that's been lost that I cannot even put into words. But I have high hopes for Nintendo, they still make quality games. Sad I can't say the same for Square-Enix, whom I nearly abhor now.
Honestly, I think it's just because OoT set the bar so damn high, that nothing can ever meet up to it, even if on its own merits it's a great game. Kinda like Star Wars with Empire Strikes Back, Dream Theater with I&W and Awake, etc. Set the bar too high and everything else will look like shit in comparison.
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ALTTP means so much to me. It's probably the game that elicits the most nostalgia from me. Even just the sound effects make me all warm and fuzzy inside.
I hear that, my very first video game was (okay, technically it was Super Mario World) ALttP. Odd that I don't get as much nostalgia from it as OoT.
Definitely, SD. That's a good thing though, well in a way. Gaming is just too different these days than it was when the industry first exploded. I wouldn't be able to refer to it as the Golden Age of Gaming though if not for titles like these.
Speaking of nostalgia...I really, really hate when people use nostalgia as a way to say that a game isn't as good as one thinks it is. Considering I can still play it next to the current-gen games and get more satisfaction out of it; as in just playing the game and not reminiscing about it with friends, says it all. It plays a factor, sure, but it's not a reason to say that it isn't as good as I think it is. Not to mention I went back and played Goldeneye 64 the other day and hated the hell out of it. I think I got motion sickness from it, and the only reason why I'm not sure is that I've never had motion sickness before. :lol
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OOT is my third favorite game of all time, but I get a little sick of hearing about it since it casts a long shadow over the series. I find something to like in all the main Zelda games, except Four Swords Adventures which I still need to play! And The Wind Waker is the best Zelda game. ;)
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I wouldn't say you're missing much, Tio. Last Zelda I really enjoyed was Minish Cap. The DS titles and Skyward Sword were all shit. They need to quit trying to outdo themselves and just make a good Zelda again.
...Also I haaaaate stylus and motion controls.
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I wouldn't say love for OoT is *entirely* nostalgia even if it does play a major role; the reason old fans fawn over it so much is because it was a great game. It was fucking fun, and well-built, not only for its time but even now. It's just really aged well.
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The DS games are absurdly underrated. Sometimes I think I'm the only person in the world who likes them. Phantom Hourglass was pretty good with some obvious flaws, but I like Spirit Tracks a lot and even prefer it to Skyward Sword.
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Running through Master Quest again, my OoT nostalgia kicked in. Got stumped too many times had to go look shit up.
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Pols, I get sick of hearing it from myself! :P But it still rings true for me, even if I completely get where you're coming from. Which is Zora's Domain. I smell that fish. Couldn't agree more though that every Zelda game has something wonderful to offer; so many different aspects to all the games that make them great. I think even the newer ones, I'd enjoy to some extent if I tried them, I just don't have to cash to spend right now sadly. But one day... I'll definitely play them all again.
I adore Minish Cap as well, Nel. I really enjoyed Phantom Hourglass and was a bit disappointed with Spirit Tracks, though it had some great moments as well. But as you said, by that time I kind of grew tired of the stylus-based controls and a few of the big ideas in the game felt gimmicky. I literally saw every second of Skyward Sword up until the end thanks to a friend letting me play it vicariously through him and it looks great and fun, although once again, some things felt gimmicky and while it was a huge, massive step up from Twilight, which even as a game on its own, let alone seeing it as a Zelda title, I just didn't enjoy all that much. It is the only Zelda game I can say that about.
I'm so ready for another DS Zelda though, I just hope they have some original ideas to contribute and put some heart behind it. Spirit Tracks felt like a rehash and while I enjoyed it very much, I expected more of a step up. But to know they're working on one for Wii U gets me really excited and gives me a reason to buy one, as I've all but lost interest in the Wii-related systems barring a few special games. Nintendo still has the handheld market on lock-down though. As I say, playing Mario Kart 7... All this talk of Zelda though really makes me want to put on some classic games.
Master Quest is amazing and I really, really enjoyed playing it again and feeling like it was all new, despite the fact that it was a mere mirror image along with some different puzzles and ramped-up difficulty. I honestly had an easier time with the Water Temple though...weirdly enough.
Oh! I just remembered that they're remaking Majora's Mask for the WiiU. I will buy the system for that game alone, truly. I competely forgot about that till just now; and it does indeed look so beautifully haunting. That game was a grower, I didn't like it much as a kid, but going back and playing it a year or two ago, I fell in love with it. A true masterpiece that can stand alongside OoT, if slightly shorter and skinnier and not as sexy.
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As much as I liked the DS games, I want the next handheld Zelda to be a different style and without stylus controls. Man, I can't wait for some info on the next Zelda game.
Unfortunately I think that Wii U Majora's Mask trailer was a fake. :-\ Not to say that a remake won't come out, but I'd expect it on the 3DS instead of the Wii U.
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It was a fake. And The Minish Cap was fucking awesome, #2 Zelda handheld behind Link's Awakening (for me).
I know it gets a lot of hate, but I really love Twilight Princess. I never get tired of it (except the Yeti's Mansion, which I've always hated).
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Oh, damn... Now that you mention it, that would make a whole lot more sense, and would be a lot more awesome probably; just having it portable alone. Shit!
But yeah the stylus controls better either have a really awesome new idea to it or just use the analog pad.
Man, what a bummer! I saw it a while ago and had completely forgotten, so it makes sense I hadn't heard anything about it since. Well yeah, here's hoping that it eventually comes out on the DS...
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I want Vaati back. Ganon's great and all, but Vaati's human form is awesome, and it feels like there's still so much potential for the Four Sword/Vaati story arc.
And I do hope they bring MM to the 3DS. It would go great with the OoT remake and MM is my favorite 3D game in the series. Normally I hate games that have time limits, but MM blends the time limit into the doom-and-gloom atmosphere so well I can't help but love the shit out of it.
Favorite Zelda game(s) are the Oracle games though. I'd love to see those get a Virtual Console release. We need to visit Holodrum and Labrynna again. There's still so much potential lore in this series! :hat
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ZELDA!
One of the most influential things in my entire life. Probably a big reason I'm very introverted, analytical, and do well by myself. I love Zelda so much. I've beaten every single Zelda game (if you count ports like the two NES games for GBA) except for Skyward Sword. I know all the dialogue and how to pwn every enemy. I've played most of the games with a minimum life restriction (e.g. 3 heart challenge). My favorite is The Wind Waker.
Hmm...to comment on ALTTP, that's one of the few games I don't like that much. The combat and controls are very awkward, to me. Though it makes for a good challenge. Guitarcosmo, with moldorm, try using well-placed spin attacks. ALTTP is one of the few Zelda games where you can't just run up to enemies and start jamming B - you've got to be more careful.
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It was a fake. And The Minish Cap was fucking awesome, #2 Zelda handheld behind Link's Awakening (for me).
I know it gets a lot of hate, but I really love Twilight Princess. I never get tired of it (except the Yeti's Mansion, which I've always hated).
TTP is easily my 2nd favourite behind OoT. WW would have been great if they finished making the game instead of giving up and just making me sail for 1/3 of the game. And the visual style is amateurish and ruins the atmosphere entirely. Never got into MM either despite numerous attempts, but one day I'll do it. One day......
Ah screw it, I should do it today.
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Yeah, I like Wind Waker, but after finding out about the removed dungeons (one for Jabun's pearl, the volcano island and the ice island, etc.), I could never look at it the same way again. Especially since instead of that awful Triforce piece hunt, we were apparently supposed to get a single dungeon between the Wind Temple and Ganon's Tower where the Triforce of Courage was what you got after defeating the boss. And someone once told me (a.k.a. take this with a grain of salt) that what would have been the Triforce's temple in WW was carried over to Twilight Princess. Don't remember which dungeon it supposedly became in TP though.
And apparently the Royal Crypt from The Minish Cap was going to be a fully-fledged dungeon too. If you mess with the game you can actually see a few of the unused rooms.
While I like both games, it always bummed me that the reason they had a lower dungeon count than OoT and the handheld games was because a few of the planned dungeons were dummied out.
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It was a fake. And The Minish Cap was fucking awesome, #2 Zelda handheld behind Link's Awakening (for me).
I know it gets a lot of hate, but I really love Twilight Princess. I never get tired of it (except the Yeti's Mansion, which I've always hated).
TTP is easily my 2nd favourite behind OoT. WW would have been great if they finished making the game instead of giving up and just making me sail for 1/3 of the game. And the visual style is amateurish and ruins the atmosphere entirely. Never got into MM either despite numerous attempts, but one day I'll do it. One day......
Ah screw it, I should do it today.
There's only 4 dungeons. It's very short unless you do the sidequests.
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It was a fake. And The Minish Cap was fucking awesome, #2 Zelda handheld behind Link's Awakening (for me).
I know it gets a lot of hate, but I really love Twilight Princess. I never get tired of it (except the Yeti's Mansion, which I've always hated).
TTP is easily my 2nd favourite behind OoT. WW would have been great if they finished making the game instead of giving up and just making me sail for 1/3 of the game. And the visual style is amateurish and ruins the atmosphere entirely. Never got into MM either despite numerous attempts, but one day I'll do it. One day......
Ah screw it, I should do it today.
There's only 4 dungeons. It's very short unless you do the sidequests.
I'm not too worried about doing all side quests, although I do like to see a lot of the game rather than do the minimum and miss out on stuff.
My main issue with the game is the whole 3 day cycle though. I'm only a very casual gamer these days, and I don't have the patience to repeat things multiple times because I couldn't do them in time. I've tried to play the game 3 or 4 times, and never even made it to the first dungeon. The furthest I recall getting is a sick witch in the woods, and I recall it never let me give her the potion or whatever it was. I don't know, it's been too long since I gave it a try.
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It's really not a problem. Each area has two main phases:
phase 1: complete some side quest to learn a song that opens the dungeon
phase 2: beat the dungeon
Since you remember songs when you warp back in time, you can start phase 2 from day 1. The song of inverted time means you have 5 hours or so to complete each phase. And in addition, there are owl statues right outside of each dungeon that you can warp to straight from Clock Town.
The countdown is really not a problem.
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For some odd reason I don't mind a lot of the things that are disliked by most Zelda fans: Navi, Kaepora Gaebora, the Triforce shard hunt, sailing, trains, Ganon hijacking plots, the DS games...heck, even Tingle.
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I don't hate those things either. There's really only....three things I've ever disliked? Yeah, these three:
-the combat style of Zelda 1 (you can only stab in front of you, and can't walk diagonally, while enemies are much more mobile)
-the sound effects in ALTTP
-The Temple Of The Ocean King
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I fucking love sailing. One of my favorite parts of Wind Waker.
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I adore Minish Cap as well, Nel. I really enjoyed Phantom Hourglass and was a bit disappointed with Spirit Tracks, though it had some great moments as well. But as you said, by that time I kind of grew tired of the stylus-based controls and a few of the big ideas in the game felt gimmicky. I literally saw every second of Skyward Sword up until the end thanks to a friend letting me play it vicariously through him and it looks great and fun, although once again, some things felt gimmicky and while it was a huge, massive step up from Twilight, which even as a game on its own, let alone seeing it as a Zelda title, I just didn't enjoy all that much. It is the only Zelda game I can say that about.
I always find comments like this interesting, because to me, Skyward Sword was several considerable steps backward from Twilight Princess in most ways.
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How so?
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Well, as I said Zepp, I didn't actually play it so I'm definitely holding out an actual developed, informed opinion on the game until I inevitably get my hands on it. But I'm curious as well, what makes you say that? I mean, to each his own, but TP just did not feel like a Zelda game to me; it felt like an amazingly deep imitation, but other than a few instances and pivotal storyline moments (mainly the ending arc), I really had no feelings that I get from every other Zelda game. Don't get me wrong, it was a beautiful game and I had some fun with it, but as a 'Zelda' title, I think that it mostly failed to live up to the name.
I might have went too far saying 'even as a standalone game'; because it was a fun game (still not amazing though). But being a longtime Zelda fan, there is no way I can view it as such, and making comparisons to other Zelda games just brought the game down more and more as I played, until that final battle which I finally felt like I was playing a Zelda game.
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How so?
I know a lot of people complain about the motion controls, and there is a lot of merit to that, but in terms of just the swordplay, I actually really liked it in Skyward Sword. However, the combat moves you learn in Twilight Princess I think were a great addition to the game and while I like having more control, I miss them. The biggest reason I say this is because the combat doesn't really evolve in Skyward Sword at all, at the end of the game you are fighting the exact same way you were at the beginning. While it's cool to have your choice of angle, it doesn't really add the depth of combat I was hoping for because you don't have to use the angles at all if you use the shield bash correctly. The shield bash is so powerful and broken that it feels like a cheat code you can use to opt out of motion combat.
I love TP, but the things I didn't like about it were put on steroids for Skyward Sword. Things like hand holding and linearity were amplified through Fi, who has a habit of solving puzzles for you before you even know you are being approached with one. Also, I don't see why they had to do away with day and night cycles since they have been there since Ocarina of Time. I know you can make it night at Skyloft, but this doesn't occur naturally (time doesn't change on its own) and you can't even fly at night. Not that this alone is a huge detractor, but it is quite irksome and it's indicative of the game's bigger flaws in my opinion. To me, the game is summed up by introducing concepts and not capitalizing them. It starts with things like the lack of day/night cycle, but this translates to things like having the main theme of the game being a sky world and yet still not having a sky dungeon.
Then there are little things like the clawshots losing the ability to scale up and down, fairies that don't get wasted when you have full health, etc. It may seem like nitpicking, but really there is no excuse to lose features like this moving forward in gaming.
I think the biggest problem I had with the game though is the enemies. Twilight Princess had a great art style for Zelda bosses and such, but besides Demise I don't think there was an appealing boss in all of Skyward Sword. Some of them lack a certain flair, but some of them are just awful design (Scaldera, Tentalus, The Imprisoned). Beyond the art design though, is how short the list of enemies is. Of the 10-12 or so bosses you fight in the game, so many of them are repeats. Ghirahim is fought three times. The Imprisoned is fought three times (plus one more with Demise), and the Moldarach is fought twice. That's nine fights against 2 characters. That would be fine if they weren't robbing the game of legitimate dungeon bosses, but fighting Ghirahim as the Fire Sanctuary boss instead of having him interrupt the exposition was pretty lame in my opinion. Beyond that, roughly 75% of the game's regular enemies are some variation of Bokoblin.
This turned into quite a rant, so I'll stop there.
Well, as I said Zepp, I didn't actually play it so I'm definitely holding out an actual developed, informed opinion on the game until I inevitably get my hands on it. But I'm curious as well, what makes you say that? I mean, to each his own, but TP just did not feel like a Zelda game to me; it felt like an amazingly deep imitation, but other than a few instances and pivotal storyline moments (mainly the ending arc), I really had no feelings that I get from every other Zelda game. Don't get me wrong, it was a beautiful game and I had some fun with it, but as a 'Zelda' title, I think that it mostly failed to live up to the name.
Again, interesting, because that's how I felt about Skyward Sword :lol. I feel that it's a great game in some ways, but not a very good Zelda game. And if we look at it as a prequel, it easily gets an F-.
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I haven't played SS. But most of the bosses in TP were pretty terrible, IMO. Artistically very cool. But they are ridiculously easy to own.
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I haven't played SS. But most of the bosses in TP were pretty terrible, IMO. Artistically very cool. But they are ridiculously easy to own.
This. SS was more challenging, although I imagine the more sensitive motion sensing had a little to do with it.
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God damn it, Zep. That was a wonderfully stated argument. And I couldn't agree more. Except I still like SS more for the...er...well it can't be put into words. It's the 'feel', the magic that TP didn't have in my own perspective. I couldn't agree with you more, but that one aspects puts it above TP, and that's where our differences occur, in what we see and feel from a game, and that will differ from person to person. I absolutely loved the combat in TP, it was what made the game fun for me, but it didn't 'feel' like a Zelda game. If I play SS, I'm almost certain I'll agree with you wholeheartedly, but I haven't yet; and from what you've said, it did look as if the combat didn't really evolve from the first stages of the game. But I didn't really notice that, I was just watching a movie the whole time, from my view.
That said, I really want to play SS now just to be more informed and see what it's about. TP had a beautiful foundation and it's story at the end supported that, but everything in between is a blur to me, I just didn't find it all that memorable. The story in SS, however, had me hooked from beginning to end; and it's funny you mention the combat lacking because the friend whom I watched play the game mentioned that there weren't many 'acrobatics' to the game, and I didn't really know what he meant by that until now. It looked cool to me, but for him playing it, it may have been an entirely different, more disappointing experience. Either way, good talk. I'm tired as fuck. fapfapfapzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzz
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Right on. I don't disagree with many of the complaints of Twilight Princess as well. I don't think Skyward Sword is a bad game in general, I may even play through it a third time. Which brings me to two interesting points:
1. This game offers the Hero Mode, which is cool, and is only unlockable through beating the game at least once. There are a couple characters who acknowledge that you are in Hero Mode, therefore they know you have played through and beat the game before, but still the dialogue and tutorials are still unskippable. Why? At least the cutscenes are skippable, which really bog down the first two hours.
2. Once we are a generation or two of consoles into the future, will anyone play this game? It relies more heavily on the motion controls than any other Wii game.
Also, one more thing while I'm thinking about it. In past games, traveling to the past as a game mechanic usually goes as at least as far as making a dungeon out of it. It looked like traveling back to the Temple of Hylia had the potential to see the entire map (seperate argument) in the past just when Demise was sealed. Visiting the maps in different timeframes on Ocarina unlocked tons of possibilities, but in Skyward Sword you can't visit these...because the door is locked. Weak!
But yes, good discussion.
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I'm going to attempt to play Zelda II: Adventure of Link today. I've said this a dozen times since first buying it years and years ago for the GBA, and I never finished it. In all likelihood today will be no different, but we'll see.
Edit: I may actually try next weekend considering I have work tomorrow, but I wanna at least see if I can beat the first palace today.
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Also, one more thing while I'm thinking about it. In past games, traveling to the past as a game mechanic usually goes as at least as far as making a dungeon out of it. It looked like traveling back to the Temple of Hylia had the potential to see the entire map (seperate argument) in the past just when Demise was sealed. Visiting the maps in different timeframes on Ocarina unlocked tons of possibilities, but in Skyward Sword you can't visit these...because the door is locked. Weak!
Heh, yeah. When you visit the past, I thought it might open up some new stuff instead of like, one room and the area outside that room. But I'd prefer it if Zelda stayed away from time travel in future games. It's been done enough and the paradoxes it creates can be confusing as hell. I still barely understand parts of Skyward Sword's plot.
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I'm going to attempt to play Zelda II: Adventure of Link today. I've said this a dozen times since first buying it years and years ago for the GBA, and I never finished it. In all likelihood today will be no different, but we'll see.
Edit: I may actually try next weekend considering I have work tomorrow, but I wanna at least see if I can beat the first palace today.
I remember the first time I played the game, I trained against the little blobs until I got max stats. :lol
But in the first temple, there are these skull things that bounce around. They are stunned by your sword and take a ton of hits to kill, but they yield quite a bit of experience points.
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Also, one more thing while I'm thinking about it. In past games, traveling to the past as a game mechanic usually goes as at least as far as making a dungeon out of it. It looked like traveling back to the Temple of Hylia had the potential to see the entire map (seperate argument) in the past just when Demise was sealed. Visiting the maps in different timeframes on Ocarina unlocked tons of possibilities, but in Skyward Sword you can't visit these...because the door is locked. Weak!
Heh, yeah. When you visit the past, I thought it might open up some new stuff instead of like, one room and the area outside that room. But I'd prefer it if Zelda stayed away from time travel in future games. It's been done enough and the paradoxes it creates can be confusing as hell. I still barely understand parts of Skyward Sword's plot.
Yeah, the game developers really don't understand time travel. You can't change the past to change the future! They recognized this in some instances (e.g. realizing that you are the one who is supposed to learn the Song of Storms in OOT) but they messed up in many others.
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I'm going to attempt to play Zelda II: Adventure of Link today. I've said this a dozen times since first buying it years and years ago for the GBA, and I never finished it. In all likelihood today will be no different, but we'll see.
Edit: I may actually try next weekend considering I have work tomorrow, but I wanna at least see if I can beat the first palace today.
I remember the first time I played the game, I trained against the little blobs until I got max stats. :lol
But in the first temple, there are these skull things that bounce around. They are stunned by your sword and take a ton of hits to kill, but they yield quite a bit of experience points.
You kiddin'? I can't get past the air bubble jumping part in Parapa.
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Just use your shield.
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Er, wait, I thought you meant the fireballs that come at you from left and right. The part where the bubbles come beneath you is tricky. Just be watchful and make sure you have a clear jump. Don't rush it.
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One of my favorite threads to read here /Sad
Playing through SS now, still finding it much more enjoyable than TP, maybe on par with TWW. Looking back, I don't think I'd ever care to play TWW again, but I really enjoyed it when I played through it the first time. I don't think much of the story to SS. In fact, I've basically ignored it by now and am just enjoying playing it. I am ready for it to be over though, which isn't a good sign when playing a video game.
I'm going to attempt to play Zelda II: Adventure of Link today. I've said this a dozen times since first buying it years and years ago for the GBA, and I never finished it. In all likelihood today will be no different, but we'll see.
Good luck, that is a beast of a game. I don't blame you for never getting through it. The difficulty is really amped up from its predecessor. Getting the hammer is definitely one of the proudest moments in my childhood gaming career. I played through this again when it was released on a multi-cart for the Gamecube, but gave up somewhere around temple #4 or 5. Just wasn't worth the aggravation.
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Also, one more thing while I'm thinking about it. In past games, traveling to the past as a game mechanic usually goes as at least as far as making a dungeon out of it. It looked like traveling back to the Temple of Hylia had the potential to see the entire map (seperate argument) in the past just when Demise was sealed. Visiting the maps in different timeframes on Ocarina unlocked tons of possibilities, but in Skyward Sword you can't visit these...because the door is locked. Weak!
Heh, yeah. When you visit the past, I thought it might open up some new stuff instead of like, one room and the area outside that room. But I'd prefer it if Zelda stayed away from time travel in future games. It's been done enough and the paradoxes it creates can be confusing as hell. I still barely understand parts of Skyward Sword's plot.
Yeah, the game developers really don't understand time travel. You can't change the past to change the future! They recognized this in some instances (e.g. realizing that you are the one who is supposed to learn the Song of Storms in OOT) but they messed up in many others.
Yeah, similar problems arise in any time travel stories. Time proves to be both mutable and immutable. What's funny is that Ghirahim follows them back in time to revive Demise and ultimately fails, but all he really had to do was kill the seed that you plant there and Link would have a 0% chance of his journey being a success.
They give you the option to go back to the present before you fight Demise, but what would have been cool is if they got creative with that. If that section was just so you can get potions and upgrades and what not, it seems like they could have made it possible to just do that in the past. Traveling to the present at that point would have been way more interesting if you go back and it's all chaos because Demise won. But apparently leaving Demise alive in the past has no bearing on the present whatsoever. :P
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dXmMQJMFL_I
Funny for those who get it, and the girl who plays Link, I have to admit, is kinda cute.
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:lol That is so awesome.
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Twilight princess > ALL
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Twilight princess > ALL
Sure, it's a great game, and I like it a lot. But it will never beat Wind Waker (my favorite zelda by far), Majora's Mask or OoT.
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TP is very artistic, has great dungeon design, has great smooth gameplay, but it's SO easy. To a fault.
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TP is very artistic, has great dungeon design, has great smooth gameplay, but it's SO easy. To a fault.
This. The only dungeon I had even minor frustration with was the Yeti's mansion, and that was just 'cause the ice block puzzles were fucking annoying.
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WTF ? ! ???
Sorry but Majora's Mask was total shit in my book ! Hated it. Hated. Hated. Hated.
1.Twilight Princess
2.Wind Waker / Link to the Past
3.Ocarina Of Time
4.Link's Awakening / Skyward Sword
5.Majora's Mask
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TP is very artistic, has great dungeon design, has great smooth gameplay, but it's SO easy. To a fault.
This. The only dungeon I had even minor frustration with was the Yeti's mansion, and that was just 'cause the ice block puzzles were fucking annoying.
But I like that about it. It's immersive and you can't stop playing it. It flows great. I can't stand games that are easy up to a point then fucking impossible and you give up playing and totally lose the whole feel when you finally get past that one section.
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Twilight Princess catches the bulk of the complaints from the fan base about how the modern Zeldas have gone awry, but I have to imagine this is partially a backlash to how popular the game is/was. It's the first game the fanboys point to as being full of flaws, and talk as though it is clearly a lesser game than most of the other 3D Zeldas even though it was very well received both critically and financially.
While the sales didn't perform quite as well in Japan as Nintendo would have liked for a launch title Zelda game, it did very well here in the states, while Skyward Sword greatly fell short on sales around the globe.
And to me at least, Skyward Sword is where the series really started feeling like the gaming world started leaving the series behind. The graphics were not the only reason, but a reason nonetheless, why it just felt like it wasn't good enough for a game that came out in 2011.
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Twilight Princess catches the bulk of the complaints from the fan base about how the modern Zeldas have gone awry, but I have to imagine this is partially a backlash to how popular the game is/was.
Perhaps from others. But I don't think so for a lot of people.. Ever since TMC the games have been too easy. Although still entertaining in some respects, the games are just too simple. TP was basically the epitome of that problem. The bosses and enemies are too simple. I remember for the water boss, it comes out of the hole and you see that it's this giant evil-looking eel thing. But to beat it, you just L target it which locks right onto its weak point, zip to it with the hookshot, and mash B. You get shaken off but can immediately zip right back. Rinse and repeat two more times. There are great elements of TP, but where it's flawed, it's really flawed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dXmMQJMFL_I
Funny for those who get it, and the girl who plays Link, I have to admit, is kinda cute.
From your comment I knew exactly what video this was going to be, because I saw it just the other day.
And I completely agree. :tup
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Skyward Sword was disappointing too. It felt thrown together and recycled from other Zelda games.
It didn't engage me at all.
* recycled in the sense that certain areas seemed exactly the same layout as previous games.
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Twilight Princess catches the bulk of the complaints from the fan base about how the modern Zeldas have gone awry, but I have to imagine this is partially a backlash to how popular the game is/was.
Perhaps from others. But I don't think so for a lot of people.. Ever since TMC the games have been too easy. Although still entertaining in some respects, the games are just too simple. TP was basically the epitome of that problem. The bosses and enemies are too simple. I remember for the water boss, it comes out of the hole and you see that it's this giant evil-looking eel thing. But to beat it, you just L target it which locks right onto its weak point, zip to it with the hookshot, and mash B. You get shaken off but can immediately zip right back. Rinse and repeat two more times. There are great elements of TP, but where it's flawed, it's really flawed.
But any Zelda Dungeon Boss is easy once you figure out the method.
Like I said - I don't like playing games where it's easy up to one point which is ridiculously hard then easy again after that. It should ramp up in difficulty throughout the game.
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I don't want anyone to get me wrong here; TP is actually one of my favorite games in the series, because it brought *gasp* actual character development! Yes, it was too easy for my tastes (LoZ is a simple game and easy to pick up, but hella hard and that's why I've done three full playthroughs), but that doesn't detract from it considerably imo. It's just something I'd like to get straight for the record is all.
I also dislike Skyward Sword, but not nearly as much as everyone else I've talked to. It's not spectacular, but I'm really not all that bothered by the graphics.
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It's not the graphics I disliked about Skyward Sword - it's just that it seems so unremarkable.
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Twilight Princess catches the bulk of the complaints from the fan base about how the modern Zeldas have gone awry, but I have to imagine this is partially a backlash to how popular the game is/was.
Perhaps from others. But I don't think so for a lot of people.. Ever since TMC the games have been too easy. Although still entertaining in some respects, the games are just too simple. TP was basically the epitome of that problem. The bosses and enemies are too simple. I remember for the water boss, it comes out of the hole and you see that it's this giant evil-looking eel thing. But to beat it, you just L target it which locks right onto its weak point, zip to it with the hookshot, and mash B. You get shaken off but can immediately zip right back. Rinse and repeat two more times. There are great elements of TP, but where it's flawed, it's really flawed.
But any Zelda Dungeon Boss is easy once you figure out the method.
Sure. But the TP are a different caliber than the usual bosses. Have you played MM? Figuring out how to damage the enemy was easy, but it still took effort to pull it off. With TP, bosses do half a heart of damage, have extremely easy, predictable attacks, ALWAYS involve the gimmicky dungeon item, and the cyclical phase 1, 2, 3 is just too much.
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I didn't really notice any of that when I was playing it because I liked it so much.
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I liked it too. But did you ever die in TP? I think the only time I died was when I suddenly realized I had never seen the death animation, so I took like five minutes to let Link get killed.
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Pretty sure I did ! :P
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Skyward Sword is ranked just under Twilight Princess for me. Sure, the combat/motionplus integration in SS felt more natural (for the most part) and the art style was a good choice considering the limitations of the Wii. Both games conveyed their tone well from a visual perspective.
My main problem with SS was presentation. Nintendo took the worst part of OoT (Navi) and expanded it to almost every NPC interaction and story exposition. It went beyond handholding (even for a Zelda game) and made the first hour of the game, which otherwise would have been great character development between Link and Zelda, into a chore of button mashing to cycle through text.
A smaller issue that felt much more game-breaking at the time was on-screen-aiming. Rather than rely on the IR sensor, Nintendo opted to use motionplus for aiming. This gives better tracking, at the expense of one of the fundamental flaws of motion gaming: Feedback. The problem is that when you enter aiming-mode, the game calibrates the current Wiimote position as "zero" on all axis. This makes sense, because the average player isn't holding their Wiimote in perfect alignment with the screen while running around, and jumping the camera to reflect the actual position could be jarring. However, what ends up happening is having to maneuver the Wiimote in awkward positions that don't in any way reflect the camera movement on screen. Nintendo implemented a "fix" such that you can move the Wiimote to the desired "zero" axis and hit a button to recalibrate on the fly. For some of the weapons in Link's arsenal (the flying beetle), this works once you get the hang of it, but most of the time it feels like you're using a mouse on a screen, not pointing a laser on the screen where you want it.
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Seems like that is a greater trend with these games getting easier and assisting you more along the way. The last Zelda game I needed online help for was MM. And yes some of those boss battles were not hard to figure out, but they could turn in to a bloodbath. I’ve died a couple times in SS but that was early on. Since then I’ve constantly had full life/heart bottles in my pouch, without ever using them. OoT and ALttP are fair challenges. But AoL is one of the hardest games I’ve ever played, and LoZ is no cakewalk. Same thing with Mario. Galaxy had some difficult levels, but I don’t recall ever dying frequently or throwing my controller in frustration. Nothing like the last couple levels of SMB3.
Almost done with SS. I have enjoyed it, doubt I will ever play it again. I enjoyed the gameplay, though never really got wrapped up in it like OoT or MM. Even TWW was more engaging on a story level. This felt more like just going from A, to B, to C… which was fine for a while because it is fun. But I had hoped for something more than that.
Probably done this before, but rankings (played the Oracle games and Minish Cap on my tablet, so hard to rank against those I played on consoles):
OoT/ALttP
LoZ (yeah, for nostalgia)
MM
SS
TWW
TP
AoL
By comparison, look at Metroid Prime 1-3. Those are fantastic games, with the right level of difficulty and complexity. Nothing is too difficult that requires a strategy guide or online walkthrough. But there are plenty of challenging areas and bosses that will keep you from finding it too easy or boring. And they are beautiful games with flawless controls.
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Same thing with Mario. Galaxy had some difficult levels, but I don’t recall ever dying frequently or throwing my controller in frustration. Nothing like the last couple levels of SMB3.
Well, Grandmaster Galaxy's Perfect Run in Galaxy 2 is extremely difficult.
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Really liked Midna in Twilight Princess too.
I liked how she was on hand to offer hints but didn't pester you every 5 seconds like navi did.
Also - you could never quite tell whether she was on your side or just using you for her own ends which I liked as well.
I just loved the style of TP - the cell shading - the morose overall feel and sound effects when a portal opened and whenever danger was near.
Loved how dark it was / is.
But on the other hand - I love Windwaker for how light and fun it is too. Piloting your boat on the vast oceans is just great fun.
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TP fan checking in, carry on
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Replaying Majora's Mask since that fucking remake was a fake. I really love this game; it's so beautiful in its way and very melancholic. It really works for the style of the game. The whole '3 Days Left' ordeal left me a bit flustered the first time playing, but anyone taking their time with the game should know the two tunes to play to calm that down to a snail's pace, thus letting you enjoy the game unhindered. It's apart of the story, and I kind of want to slap anyone who uses this aspect of the game to say it's worse somehow...fools. Opinions and shit. :police: I'm finished the second dungeon and I'm not even into the third day yet (and haven't used the Song of Time). It's completely workable. My bad, my friend has been sitting here watching me play and complaining about it the whole time. What a turd cunt. Amazing game, wonderful Zelda. I realllllllly want them to remake this as they did OoT. Urgh!!
Gilded Sword time... :azn:
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I really fucking love Majora's Mask.
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TP fan checking in, carry on
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I really fucking love Majora's Mask.
:tup :tup
Za bestu! (one of za bestu)
Bout to drive for another four hours again, and I had to be pulled off of Majora's Mask. Then...I realized I had Link's Awakening in my lil' bag 'o games! Woot. I am on such a Zelda high these past few weeks. Rararar! More! They really need to add oneall of the handheld Zelda games to the 3DS e-shop and do a 3D version of them. A good one, not just a quick job but make it so that the depth of those games can really be felt; it'd work so well thanks to the top-down perspective and the colors of the games...mainly I'm thinking of A Link to The Past (I can never decide which words to capitalize and not with that title...). Oops. Leaving. Bah humbug. I'd rather sit around and play Zelda games all day than go to the boardwalk... :lol
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Majora’s Mask was the last Zelda game I played right when it came out, and I was still riding an OoT high. I got totally caught up with the continuation of young Link in to the strange land of Termina. At first I was bummed there was no Hyrule, but got over that quickly. I struggled through the first 3 temples, and got stuck after that. Was also having a beast of a time getting masks or anything out of the side quests. I was enjoying the game, but felt I needed a break. Then somehow I ended up selling my system. But it always nagged at me that I never finished it. Years later I went back and made a point to finish it, and as much of the side quests as I could. I had to get some help on a few spots (my only complaint about the game is that some things are really not intuitive at all) but finishing it really felt fulfilling. Which is not something I feel often after most games. I thought the 3-day structure was brilliant, and at first I thought playing as a Deku/Goron/Zora was annoying, but I grew to appreciate its place in the game.
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Okay, so I put OoT on hold to play through things in order (sans Zelda 1 and 2, which I've played plenty of times). So I worked through LTTP and Link's Awakening. Both were cool, but not games I'd ever play again. At least now I can say I finished them, just to say I finished them. Didn't care for them as much. NOW I can resume OoT. Excited.
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I'm currently on a quest to play through each zelda game. I'm doing Zelda 1 now, Zelda 2 next, and then the only other ones I haven't done are the Nintendo DS ones.
Favourites: OoT, ALttP, SS
Honourable Mention: Minish Cap
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https://www.terriblefate.com/
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Hey, Super Dude, I've seen your posts at Zelda Universe. I tried to sign up there a year ago but never got my confirmation e-mail. :lol
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Oh, yeah I dunno, try using a different email address then. Unless you want me to PM one of the mods or something?
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Nah, it's no big deal. I'm fine with lurking.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItOPzuIRLVI
Basically there's nothing mildly amusing about it except the side-jumping thing, which is so true.
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Been on a Zelda tear lately. Beating MM, Awakening, LoZ, OoA.
I've just realized after playing these games that OoT is a cakewalk. It's very linear while the other games I've needed significant walkthrough use to get by. OoT was my first Zelda and the only one I beat legit. Down the road I want to get through without help.
Since I beat Ages I'm going to start a password game in Seasons. I looked it up and it still confuses me.
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Weak! Walkthroughs makes anything a cake walk. But yeah OoT was a pretty easy game, I can't imagine anyone would need one (aside from the obvious moment in regards to a watery grave...but even then I got through it without one). I've never used a walkthrough on any Zelda game before and I don't intend to (if I ever get to playing Skyward Sword). Not that this makes me better than you or anything (it totally does). :P
:loser:
I'm replaying OoT for the 3DS for the bajillionth time. But my brainless fool of a friend 'accidentally' deleted my data so I'm having to go through the normal mode before I can play Master Quest...meh. I'll bet I can beat it by tonight cause I'm just that geeky. I swear by now I probably could play it pretty well without the use of my eyeballs; I know every single inch of that game it's not even funny (cause normally that'd be a fucking riot).
I just beat Majora's Mask two days ago and I already want to play it again if only to fantasize how amazing it'd be to get a remake like OoT 3D. ARGH! GET ON THAT SHIT, MIYAMOTO!!! I think I'm going to play Link's Awakening after OoT. It's nice to have it on the Virtual Console on my 3DS since my battery just died inside of my original LA cartridge. :'( I'm surprised it lasted that long. I got it on the day of its release in '93 and it just kicked the bucket earlier this year.
I adore the Oracle games, they're so whimsical. The connectivity is so awesome as well; it's the only game aside from the Golden Sun series that uses connectivity in such a way that it really makes the game a lot more enjoyable instead of being a useless gimmick.
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Subrosia is always the part of Seasons that I remember the most. Good times. I should play those games again soon.
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I really like Seasons. One of my favorite Zelda games. It had a great balance of fun and challenge.
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Yeah, I like Wind Waker, but after finding out about the removed dungeons (one for Jabun's pearl, the volcano island and the ice island, etc.), I could never look at it the same way again. Especially since instead of that awful Triforce piece hunt, we were apparently supposed to get a single dungeon between the Wind Temple and Ganon's Tower where the Triforce of Courage was what you got after defeating the boss. And someone once told me (a.k.a. take this with a grain of salt) that what would have been the Triforce's temple in WW was carried over to Twilight Princess. Don't remember which dungeon it supposedly became in TP though.
And apparently the Royal Crypt from The Minish Cap was going to be a fully-fledged dungeon too. If you mess with the game you can actually see a few of the unused rooms.
While I like both games, it always bummed me that the reason they had a lower dungeon count than OoT and the handheld games was because a few of the planned dungeons were dummied out.
Where did you hear about these? I would love to check all of this out.
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Don't know if I'm even going to bother finishing SS. I'm not into it at all. Way too many cutscenes / text, don't really care for the art style, and like Twilight Princess it just feels way too easy with tons of hand holding. I did really enjoy Twilight Princess though. Maybe it's partly the nostalgia I feel for the older games that keeps me from enjoying it as much as I could though.
It was awesome to see where LttP and OoT ended up on Nintendo Powers top games list for their final issue. I still like MM better than either of those.
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Nintendo Power's last issue???
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Yep, they're done.
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Have they said why they did it?
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I think it's a pretty fair assumption that plummeting subscriptions and less and less people getting their information from magazines in general was the nail in the coffin. Aside from the big-name, super-popular magazines, almost every company that is based around the production of any -zine that isn't online-based is limping and ready to die. But no, they'd never say that. :laugh: Sad, but anyone who doesn't live under a rock shouldn't be surprised by this in the slightest. They've been hurting for a few years now and with news being covered almost entirely online (hell, even TV-based gaming news are dying out...this year G4 just got re-branded the Esquire Channel aimed at metrosexuals and having nearly nothing to do with gaming.. :lol), that leaves little hope for anyone that isn't a massively funded, major news network. Shit, even at their best, gaming news sites, magazines and TV programs weren't ever really doing great; now there's almost no hope for them and I'm quite surprised that they lasted this long, both NP and G4.
Anyway, their last issue was pretty great and a cool, nostalgic way to go out. Inevitable, but they made the best of it.
P.S. I'm about halfway through Link's Awakening and I've gotta say, I had forgotten how wonderfully quaint and cute this game is. I had also forgotten how heavily puzzle-based this title is, and I love that; it's still got a difficult combat system and some fun bosses, but the puzzles are really inventive and fun for a game of its age. I'm also starting Master Quest on OoT after my friend deleted my file...I think I mentioned it here, I don't remember. Either way, both fun games and especially Master Quest with its newer puzzles and dungeon layout. I forgot that it's even more tweaked than the version that came with The Wind Waker on the Gamecube, so that's good to know that I won't be able to easily run through it like I can the original version.
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So I finished Seasons through a password game and got the real ending. Link sails off on a boat! Which means it directly transitions into Awakening. Has any other game in the series shown in the credits exactly what Link is doing next? I personally liked Seasons more than Ages.
I'm a little Zelda'ed out. I'm going to take a break before I jump into Zelda II. I've always knocked it for not being a traditional Zelda game. Side scrolling and RPG elements with experience? What?! I'm looking forward to it now.
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I started playing Link's Awakening as I haven't played it. It's fun and reminds me of the Oracle series. It's fun and difficult, love the puzzles.
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And no offense to Oracle fans, LA is superior by an unreachable magnitude.
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And no offense to Oracle fans, LA is superior by an unreachable magnitude.
It actually is.
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A Link To The Past is probably the best game overall.
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Where did you hear about these? I would love to check all of this out.
I really wish I remember where I heard it. I read those years ago, but they just sound... right.
Oh, but Oracle games>>>>LA. Sorry dude. :lol
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Pssh. There's a reason LA is a classic. I like it and the original LoZ because even though they get pretty tough, they're immediately accessible; you can just pick up and play. With more recent Zelda games I feel like you gotta devote quite a bit of time and energy.
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It's classic because it's older. :lol When I replayed it earlier on VC this year, it felt pretty bland to me besides its cool little plot twist.
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Yeeeah...Link's Awakening is better than the Oracles. The quirky feel and characters are more engaging. Plus some of the dungeons are ingenious, like Eagle's Tower. I love the Oracles too though.
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Right, it has self-deprecating and parodying humor which I liked. I also liked the dungeons quite a bit, and I found running around with my red tunic from the Color Dungeon really fun. Plus it was the first Zelda game I ever beat, so nostalgia factor. :P
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Love LA, I played through it again last year. So much nostalgia for me. Tal Tal Heights song remains one of my favourites, so epic. Heh, still got that big ass Gameboy somewhere around here too.
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LA is okay. There were a few lousy bits. The final boss was a cinch, way too quick and easy. And pointless to the Zelda universe. The whole game really had no actual significance.
I'd say Seasons is actually a little bit better. But LA is way better than Ages. TMC blows them all away in terms of handhelds.
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The translated Hyrule Historia comes out later this month. So excited. :victorydance:
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Got mine pre-ordered!
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After finishing Zelda II, I confirm with my initial thoughts that I dislike it.
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Yeah, I really don't like it all that much either. It's not terrible, and I'm sure the story is good towards the end; it's just not my cup of tea. Along with being so utterly, ridiculously difficult that I'd rather read the story on Wikipedia than be disappointed that I broke x-number of controllers and/or systems attempting to beat it only for the payoff to be completely not worth it. I'll chock it up to Nintendo attempting something innovative and new and just falling in a puddle of mud only to quickly jump into a lake of holy water and blow their load on pretty much every entry in the series from there on out.
P.S. FUCK BONGO-BONGO ON MASTER QUEST. (https://www.globalmotorbikes.com/forums/images/smilies/Middle%20Finger.gif)
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Zelda II - story?
Does not compute.
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Zelda II - story?
I AM ERROR.
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Zelda II - story?
I AM ERROR.
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:lol
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It actually set up a few story strands in the series and I found it quite interesting. The storytelling is horrible, yeah; but many things that later became looked upon as staples of the series were set up in this game:
-The Triforce being used as a 'tell' for who the heroes and villains would be, except here only the Triforce Of Courage is used for Link (it also hinted that Link would be a future King of Hyrule); as well as the force being used as a kind of 'wish' system for whomsoever brings together all three pieces.
-All princesses in the royal family being named Zelda, as the Zelda in this game was the 'original'.
-The fact that Zelda has a brother, which still hasn't been brought back up...a topic that, to me, could put some flare into a future story that has become redundant.
-The use of magic was introduced as well as the 'metered magic' system.
-The Six Sages were introduced here, except in the forms of 'towns', all used again in Ocarina of Time (as well as Mido, the Kokiri in OoT).
-It also introduced fan-favorite Dark Link.
So yeah...it had no story. :facepalm: While the telling of it was bland, it had a huge role in developing the overarching lore of the Zelda series and created some very neat ideas that couldn't be executed all that well back then that were fleshed out in later games.
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On the subject of her being the original Zelda, that too may be a little tricky in the current continuity. Technically, the Zelda in SS was the original, unless there's someone who predates her.
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Ah, right; SS predates all of them if I remember the timeline correctly. Interesting.. I don't remember SS all that well considering I just watched a friend play through it but I wonder if they took AoL into account while making it. Supposedly the 'original' princess was put into a deep slumber for a very long time, and when Link is introduced to the sleeping maiden in AoL, he is told that she is the original by Impa. Very intriguing, especially considering in SS, Impa was there as well as the original Zelda (or Hylia). Perhaps something happened to Zelda to put her into a deep sleep after the events of SS? Though it couldn't be too long after. Then in the timeline strand in which Link fails in Ocarina of Time, he eventually wakes up Zelda in AoL, preventing Ganon's ressurection.
But now I've already confused myself and remembered why I don't give (too much of) a shit about the timeline. Although for the most part, Nintendo has done a spectacular job of making a completely incoherent timeline into a fairly followable event. It's interesting, but things like this give me a headache. :D Hm... I might have to look into this more when I'm not so sleep deprived. I don't think Nintendo would miss something that big after constructing what seems to be an almost plot-hole free timeline in regards to their split timelines of origins and endings. Which, by the way, if memory serves, AoL is the ending (er...that is, the last game in that timeline strand so far, they might make another to continue it) to one of the timeline strands; the one in which Link fails in OoT.
*commits suicide with deku nut*
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Well, SS is the first one chronologically, and once the timeline splits into three, Adventure of Link is the last game of its timeline if I remember correctly. Meaning that if SS Zelda is the same as AoL Zelda, she's basically outlived everyone in the series and lived a long, lllloooooooonnnggg ass time. :lol
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Not to mention the Impa that accompanies her.
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Correct, Nel, as far as I know. I'm not sure about Impa, (I'm assuming they in their family too are all named Impa; the caretaker of the royal family's princesses) but this is a fantasy game we're talking about, and she was supposedly put under a very powerful sleeping spell, which I'd assume would preserve her body and mind, as most spells like that in almost any fantasy-based TV/movie/game/book-medium do. So yeah, she has indeed lived longer than anyone else and is very old (and still very sexy...that big pixel-ass..pointy nips...Mmmm!). The subject of Impa is interesting, I'm not too sure on that one as I don't think they've ever mentioned a tradition of naming their children the same name, but that's gotta be it unless Impa is just a mystical, magical badass that can control time/age. Then again, she is a Shiekah and they do control some powerful magic. But that's just speculation. I love this shit though. So fucking geeky. :azn: :tup
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As a huge fan of the series, I found Zelda II enjoyable. I would not recommend it to general gamers or casual Zelda fans though. It's frustrating and tough.
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As a huge fan of the series, I found Zelda II enjoyable. I would not recommend it to general gamers or casual Zelda fans though. It's frustrating and tough.
It pissed me off heading to the last dungeon from the beginning.
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As a huge fan of the series, I found Zelda II enjoyable. I would not recommend it to general gamers or casual Zelda fans though. It's frustrating and tough.
It pissed me off heading to the last dungeon from the beginning.
Yeah, there were many frustrating elements in the game that the designers overlooked. Starting at the beginning every time you load the game was one of them. However, IIRC, you spawn at the Great Palace once you get to it, even if you see a Game Over screen.
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The Wind Waker to be re-released with HD graphics on the Wii U, in Autumn 2013.
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Kewl, I guess. I dunno...even though TWW's my favorite game of all time, this doesn't really excite me. The lighting seems weird to me. Too much bloom or whatever it's called.
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I think it looks gorgeous. TWW is my favorite Zelda game in all respects, including the graphics. To play it in HD would be a real treat.
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I think it looks gorgeous. TWW is my favorite Zelda game in all respects, including the graphics. To play it in HD would be a real treat.
:tup
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Guess who's buying time to justify another 5 to 6 year wait for a legitimate console game. :mehlin
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Kewl, I guess. I dunno...even though TWW's my favorite game of all time, this doesn't really excite me. The lighting seems weird to me. Too much bloom or whatever it's called.
That was my first thought. Far too much of that glow on the sky, when it really shouldn't have it.
Aside from that though, it looks more painted and consistently stylized than it does on Gamecube. I really hate Wind Waker's graphics, so anything is an improvement.
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Honestly, as cool as it is, I already played Wind Waker. Unless they're planning to restore some of the content that was left on the cutting room floor the first time around, I'll pass.
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My wish has come true:
https://mangafox.me/manga/the_legend_of_zelda_the_edge_and_the_light/
I will read it later today and let you all know how it is.
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I got Wind Waker for my birthday :caffeine:
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As well as the Wii U Wind Waker, Aonuma talked about the next Wii U Zelda game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF-yNvKmjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF-yNvKmjI)
He says they'll rethink Zelda conventions such as completing dungeons in order and playing by yourself. It's interesting that he says they weren't able to put effort into changing Skyward Sword's linear path structure.
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As well as the Wii U Wind Waker, Aonuma talked about the next Wii U Zelda game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF-yNvKmjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF-yNvKmjI)
He says they'll rethink Zelda conventions such as completing dungeons in order and playing by yourself. It's interesting that he says they weren't able to put effort into changing Skyward Sword's linear path structure.
That sounds more like an excuse; they had five years to work on that game. Regardless, I am happy to hear this time around they are gonna try to change things up.
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They need to pull a 3D remake of the old games or seriously a 2D remake of OoT or MM.
It might be old news but I just saw it last night. Has anyone seen the fake fan made MM Wii U trailer. It looks so good here it is if you haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyazYYev7Nw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyazYYev7Nw)
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As well as the Wii U Wind Waker, Aonuma talked about the next Wii U Zelda game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF-yNvKmjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSF-yNvKmjI)
He says they'll rethink Zelda conventions such as completing dungeons in order and playing by yourself. It's interesting that he says they weren't able to put effort into changing Skyward Sword's linear path structure.
That sounds more like an excuse; they had five years to work on that game. Regardless, I am happy to hear this time around they are gonna try to change things up.
Call me cynical, but they have always said they want to change things up for the next release. Yes, there have been changes, and they have mostly been improvements, but I'm not holding my breath for anything more than a few minor adjustments to the formula.
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:( The Wind Wake disc doesn't work. It is scratched to hell. The Ebay seller is refusing to give money back, as it worked when they tested it prior to shipping. What a load of crap.
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They need to pull a 3D remake of the old games or seriously a 2D remake of OoT or MM.
It might be old news but I just saw it last night. Has anyone seen the fake fan made MM Wii U trailer. It looks so good here it is if you haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyazYYev7Nw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyazYYev7Nw)
:sadpanda: Yep... *Sigh* My dream... A few pages back you can see me going wild over the news and then finding out later that it was a fake. They got me good. Those fuckers. I want it so badly! But it would be better (and make more sense) to do it on the 3DS in all its beautiful glory.
:( The Wind Wake disc doesn't work. It is scratched to hell. The Ebay seller is refusing to give money back, as it worked when they tested it prior to shipping. What a load of crap.
I fucking hate that. >:( I feel your pain. My condolences. I'm not sure if there's much you can do. I don't use eBay but surely they can some sort of complain system so that you can expose this asshole for the cheapskate he is. I'd make a bunch of posts detailing what happened and to never buy from 'username' again. Ugh. Welp, maybe it's a sign that you should buy a Wii U and get the amazing remake coming out.
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:( The Wind Wake disc doesn't work. It is scratched to hell. The Ebay seller is refusing to give money back, as it worked when they tested it prior to shipping. What a load of crap.
:getoffmylawn: That sucks. I bought my copy on ebay, and luckily it worked perfectly. I also bought my copy of Twilight Princess off ebay, and I'm really glad that one works, since that one cost me a bit! (much more expensive for the PAL version than the NTSC one, as is usually the case)
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We are going to try and have the disc buffed. Adam has already paid for it, might as well try to make it work. He contacted the ebay complaint thing (it has a technical name that I don't remember) and they said they can't help as Adam is having buyer's remorse... what? It doesn't work! He is going to see if sending them pictures of the amount of scratches will help. We have low expectations though.
How much do Wii U's run? Do Wii games work on them or would we have to completely repurchase other games?
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We are going to try and have the disc buffed. Adam has already paid for it, might as well try to make it work. He contacted the ebay complaint thing (it has a technical name that I don't remember) and they said they can't help as Adam is having buyer's remorse... what? It doesn't work! He is going to see if sending them pictures of the amount of scratches will help. We have low expectations though.
How much do Wii U's run? Do Wii games work on them or would we have to completely repurchase other games?
Apparently it's backwards compatible with Wii games, but not with Gamecube games (like the original Wii was).
And wtf at ebay. That's not buyer's remorse, that's false advertising. Last I checked, that was against their own policy. Something was advertised as working, and it doesn't. Seems pretty simple to me.
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HD Windwaker looks good, just needs less bloom and the character models look more like dolls than cel-shaded cartoon characters.
Also, I'm really hoping there's some significant extra content. This is a new console version, not some remaster on the 3DS, so that's a bit of a selling point for me. I've played WW a million times, it has to do more than look better to make me buy it again.
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Yeah.. The person you spoke to doesn't know what the fuck he/she is talking about. Buyer's Remorse is no different than wanting a return, which is understandably not a policy for getting your money back just because you don't like the product. That's not your situation; your product was flat out sold as a working product and it's defected. Completely different. I'd try contacting someone else because they will in fact do something about it. While you may not get your money back or a new copy, they'll have that seller reprimanded in some way. A while back this happened to a friend of mine after he bought Legend of Dragoon and they put some kind of stigma on his username as well as banning him temporarily from selling and as far as I know he didn't sell anything for a long time after that. You should keep trying. But maybe it's run by fools over there now who don't understand the concept of people getting screwed.
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"Realistic" Zelda art: https://geekdraw.com/main/2013/1/26/jasper-sandners-zelda-ocarina-of-time-art-series.html
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That Happy Mask Salesman is scary as hell. :o
King Dodongo is the best.
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A friend of mine currently in Japan took a photo of this:
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So jelly.
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ZELDA FANS!
Favorite Zelda song of all time, GO!
Mine is Dragon Roost Island.
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Cliche and the most picked, but god damn is Zora's Domain beautiful. I'm pretty sure that's still my favorite. Close second is Spirit Temple theme. Fallen asleep to that one so many times.
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OCARINA OF TIME. ALL OF THE MUSICS.
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Tough question for a Friday morning.
Perhaps... OoT Forest Temple theme. Man, that gave me chills the first time through, and at the first room you see the 4 Poes briefly appear and then scatter throughout the temple.
And the music during the last 6(?) hours of Majora's Mask. Man that is haunting.
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Majora's mask has some great music. Clock Town is among my favorites.
Almost all of the wind waker music is excellent also.
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I have the Hyrule Overworld Theme (Morning) as my alarm to wake up. It's like every morning I wake up bright and sunny and it slowly turns into the Ganon Final Battle Theme and turn into Dark Link.
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My favorite Zelda pieces are
-the Forest Temple,
-the Stone Tower temple,
-the opening and credits of TWW
-ocean overworld of TWW
Easily TWW has the best music. After that, probably OOT, then MM, then TP. I didn't like anything from SS. And then there's a sharp drop off just because of the poor audio quality of the music of the other games.
Couple shout outs, though, to some songs that people probably overlook:
-the miniboss theme of TWW
-the Dark World in ALTTP
-ALTTP credits
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I don't hate the music from SS, but I'd do the rankings about the same (I would put OoT before WW though).
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It may seem weird to judge an entire game based off it's soundtrack, but it's worked pretty well so far. Every game that I've loved it's soundtrack, I've also loved the game itself; in those that I hate it, I usually don't like the game as a whole as much. That said, I haven't played SS yet but from the soundtrack it seems that I'll like this one, but not too much; especially in comparison to other Zelda titles, which is inevitable.
I really love the old school sounds of the Gameboy titles, especially the Oracles games. Subrosia. :heart
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I actually think there are some good sprite-era tunes, like the one for Tal Tal Mountains in LA. And I agree with that sentiment; it has to do with immersion I think. If you can't immerse yourself in the game world, it's harder to enjoy yourself.
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Overworld theme, especially the version from A Link to the Past.
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I'm currently playing through MM on a 3-heart challenge and Gyorg is giving me major grief. After attacking him, I just can't seem to get out of the water before he catches me. The most I've managed is two hits (and it takes four to bring him down). It seems impossible.
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Finally got Wind waker up and running! Had to get the disc buffed and hunt down a memory card. Who knew it would be so difficult! Just got my sail.
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Maybe it's time to have another go at Skyward Sword soon, eh?
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I started up Skyward Sword again two nights ago. I got about an hour and 45 minutes in (so about 12 minutes of actual gameplay so far).
The opening of this game is an absolute chore, it certainly didn't help my opinion of the game, and I doubt I will pick it up again for a great while.
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Is it worth buying a Wii just for Skyward Sword? It's the one game I haven't played.
Beat temple 4 of Majora's Mask on my 3 heart challenge. Now, I've decided to get all the masks, although I may restrict myself from using Fierce Diety against the final boss. We'll see.
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Is it worth buying a Wii just for Skyward Sword? It's the one game I haven't played.
No.
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The opening of this game is an absolute chore, it certainly didn't help my opinion of the game, and I doubt I will pick it up again for a great while.
Agreed. I felt the same way about TP. Interestingly, I thought MM was a big chore to start as well. I mean, how long do you have to play the game as a Deku before you can actually be link?/ But as I look back on it, it doesn't bother me as much. That is definitely a game I'd like to revisit. TP and SS... still relatively new, but can't imagine myself having the desire to play either of those again.
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Is it worth buying a Wii just for Skyward Sword? It's the one game I haven't played.
I bought a Wii just for Metroid. :lol Only ended up playing two other games on it.
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I only ever play Smash anymore (on my Wii U, that is, but also formerly on my Wii).
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Is it worth buying a Wii just for Skyward Sword? It's the one game I haven't played.
No.
Indeed. Don't buy it for Skyward Sword alone. It's the worst of the 3D Zeldas.
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The Wii has several games better than Skyward Sword...the Super Mario Galaxies, Sonic Colors, Rayman Origins (not Wii exclusive, but anyway), Wii Sports Resort (yeah, I love it), etc. But most diehard Zelda fans should play SS even though it's kinda blah.
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Well, Wii U has backwards compatibility, so maybe if they make a Zelda Wii U, I'll get the Wii U to play Skyward Sword as well.
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The opening of this game is an absolute chore, it certainly didn't help my opinion of the game, and I doubt I will pick it up again for a great while.
Agreed. I felt the same way about TP. Interestingly, I thought MM was a big chore to start as well. I mean, how long do you have to play the game as a Deku before you can actually be link?/ But as I look back on it, it doesn't bother me as much. That is definitely a game I'd like to revisit. TP and SS... still relatively new, but can't imagine myself having the desire to play either of those again.
It's like, less than 20 minutes to get the ocarina of time in MM if you know what you're doing.
I could see myself playing TP for fun. It had a cool combat system even though it was ridiculously easy.
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TP is really easy to just pick up and play. And idc what anyone says, I liked the characters, especially Midna. TLoZ's first tsundere/Shana clone, what's not to like?
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It is fun. I like the controls.
Does anyone notice that the controls are different between OOT and MM? I notice. I use Z-targeting a lot in OOT to turn around quickly, but I notice it is kind of awkward in MM. For example, in OOT, if you face backwards, Z-target, and move forward, you can do so in quick succession and be on your way. But in MM, the Z-targeting phase takes half a second to register before you can start moving.
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The opening of this game is an absolute chore, it certainly didn't help my opinion of the game, and I doubt I will pick it up again for a great while.
Agreed. I felt the same way about TP. Interestingly, I thought MM was a big chore to start as well. I mean, how long do you have to play the game as a Deku before you can actually be link?/ But as I look back on it, it doesn't bother me as much. That is definitely a game I'd like to revisit. TP and SS... still relatively new, but can't imagine myself having the desire to play either of those again.
TP's opening is bad too, though it didn't feel nearly as long or boring as Skywards'. I also much prefer everything that follows in TP to everything that follows in SS. What ever happened to "It's dangerous to go alone, take this!"?
The opening of this game is an absolute chore, it certainly didn't help my opinion of the game, and I doubt I will pick it up again for a great while.
Agreed. I felt the same way about TP. Interestingly, I thought MM was a big chore to start as well. I mean, how long do you have to play the game as a Deku before you can actually be link?/ But as I look back on it, it doesn't bother me as much. That is definitely a game I'd like to revisit. TP and SS... still relatively new, but can't imagine myself having the desire to play either of those again.
It's like, less than 20 minutes to get the ocarina of time in MM if you know what you're doing.
I could see myself playing TP for fun. It had a cool combat system even though it was ridiculously easy.
True, though it's very fun. While the sword controls in SS are one of the few things I feel the game did better than TP, SS' combat is much easier even still if you shield bash correctly. It's so broken it's almost like opting out of having to use the motion controls for most of the battles.
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Agreed. I felt the same way about TP. Interestingly, I thought MM was a big chore to start as well. I mean, how long do you have to play the game as a Deku before you can actually be link?/ But as I look back on it, it doesn't bother me as much. That is definitely a game I'd like to revisit. TP and SS... still relatively new, but can't imagine myself having the desire to play either of those again.
It's like, less than 20 minutes to get the ocarina of time in MM if you know what you're doing.
I know that, now. Was just thinking back to my initial impressions.
TP is really easy to just pick up and play. And idc what anyone says, I liked the characters, especially Midna. TLoZ's first tsundere/Shana clone, what's not to like?
Playing as a freaking wolf, instead of as, you know, Link.
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It didn't bother me as much, and I was referring specifically to the Midna bit.
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New avatar of pretty much the coolest Zelda character there is.
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Makar's better. :coolio
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Neither of those look like Vaati. ???
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:lol :tup
P.S. I don't see Tingle.
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...gtfo.
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Oh hey.
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...
GTFO
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Kooloo...
LIM-PAH!
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Give me your fucking maps you little fairly odd fairy.
:millahhhh :heart :heart :heart
Tingle will rape you. Then he will slowly torture you. Then he will kiss you. To death.
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Soon, everyone will have a Zelda avatar. My plan is coming to fruition.
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Wow I totally just now noticed that.. It really is spreading. :lol
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Good, good...
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I'm in!
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This could be really cool.
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:metal < we need one of these with a little pointy green hat.
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We should all have a DTF Zelda banner in our sig. Problem is I have no idea how to make one.
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And we could all go sign up at Zelda Universe. :neverusethis:
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I wonder if there's a way I could photoshop the spider in my avatar into a Gohma. . .
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I've just gotten into the series. I'm at Turtle Rock in Link to the Past, and so far it's been a fun game. One that I have to be in the mood to play, but a fun one no less.
I also bought Ocarina of Time, but since my brother has our N64 over at his apartment, I haven't gotten very far yet.
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Nice. A Link To The Past is a good game, great artwork IMO.
You're going to love Ocarina. Everyone does.
It's interesting to see how that Majora's Mask "phase" is over. For a while, it actually started beating OoT in some of the polls on major gaming websites. You know, on account of its being darker, more "mature" (whatever that's supposed to mean), deeper, more depressing. I'm glad to see the Internet got its sense back. OoT is far superior.
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Meh. I still find Majora better. Finally playing through OoT on the 3DS was satisfying, but I just prefer MM more.
I didn't really appreciate ALTTP until I played through all of it in the summer of 2011. Great amount of dungeons, a great feeling of accomplishment from finding the heart pieces and making the Golden Sword. Seriously, other timeline's games should have the Golden Sword sidequest. Turning the Master Sword into that beastly thing is magnificent. :metal
I actually restarted Skyward Sword about a week back after putting it down in December 2011. I put it down because I hated how tedious the intro was, and generally disliked the motion controls.
...And now I've reaffirmed that I just don't like this game. I'm going to soldier on to at least the second or third dungeon before I call it quits, but I'm really not gelling with it. Maybe my Wii remote's fucked up, but the controls don't respond, the combat's clunky. Add that to a side character somehow more annoying than Navi, a useless dowsing system, and graphics far uglier than they should be, and it's a turd.
And to be clear, when I complain about the graphics, what I mean is: the further something is away from you, the blurrier it is. Like, really blurry. Fuzzy ball of color blurry. That's annoying. I don't know if they were trying to make it look like felt or a pastel painting, but it doesn't work. The art style, the way places are actually designed, that's just dandy. But the blurriness. Agh.
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OoT is far superior, but that is by no means to discount how great Majora is, for the very reasons you mentioned H. If not for the pick-and-playability of TP, Majora would be my second favorite.
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Oh, what the heck.
Ocarina of Time
+++best dungeons in the series, both in theme and design
+++great soundtrack
++memorable characters
+epic and classic feel
+great story
+good controls
+great items that were useful to the end of the game
+child/adult Link dynamic added an interesting plot mechanic
-one dimensional, every playthrough is more or less the same
-easy bosses for the most part
Majora's Mask
+++challenging minibosses and bosses
+great balance between the three transformation masks
+mask sidequests were always interesting
+personal development of NPCs
+3 day system stands out as unique in the Zelda series
--few temples, three of which were meh
-some landscapes felt cluttered (like Termina field)
-Z targeting is a little bit off when compared to OOT
-most of the masks were used only once; they could have done more
The Wind Waker
+++best soundtrack
+++best looking game (IMO)
++excellent controls (gotta love the added camera control)
++excellent dungeons
++best character development
+best plot, full of twists and turns
+good cinematics
-the Triforce quest
-loads of subpar sidequests
Twilight Princess
+++beautiful artwork
+++great cinematics
+++best control scheme
---extremely easy
--hunting bugs to break the curse of the Twilight
--many useless items
-the yeti dungeon
-not many memorable characters
-few sidequests were meaningless
-confusing plot, many things which were unnecessarily thrown in
For me,
TWW > OOT >> MM > TP
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I agree with almost everything, except the characters bit in TP. I liked Midna; she's the most memorable we've had since Tetra. Also, there were moments while playing when I felt like such an absolute badass, and they knew it (i.e. in the Death Mountain dungeon, going into the bokoblin forts with "guns" blazing).
OoT I kinda want to say I disagree about the one-dimensionality, but yeah. Although I think that's more an effect of our having played and beaten it several times in the last 15 years. And I actually had a small spot of difficulty with Bongo Bongo.
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I agree with almost everything, except the characters bit in TP. I liked Midna; she's the most memorable we've had since Tetra. Also, there were moments while playing when I felt like such an absolute badass, and they knew it (i.e. in the Death Mountain dungeon, going into the bokoblin forts with "guns" blazing).
Don't get me wrong, there were great moments in TP. Particularly around Arbiter's Grounds which you are referring to. That part is awesome. But from then on the game just gets worse and worse with every dungeon.
OoT I kinda want to say I disagree about the one-dimensionality, but yeah. Although I think that's more an effect of our having played and beaten it several times in the last 15 years. And I actually had a small spot of difficulty with Bongo Bongo.
Bongo Bongo is the one boss I had difficulty with too. Especially on a three heart run where he basically OHKOs you when he charges you with his body.
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I agree with almost everything, except the characters bit in TP. I liked Midna; she's the most memorable we've had since Tetra. Also, there were moments while playing when I felt like such an absolute badass, and they knew it (i.e. in the Death Mountain dungeon, going into the bokoblin forts with "guns" blazing).
Don't get me wrong, there were great moments in TP. Particularly around Arbiter's Grounds which you are referring to. That part is awesome. But from then on the game just gets worse and worse with every dungeon.
The only dungeon I remember actively disliking was the yeti's mansion. The concept was alright if a bit lame, and it wasn't particularly hard, but I just got the constant feeling of "I don't have time for this" all throughout.
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I guess you're right about the dungeons. That's the only dungeon that comes to mind when I think of TP nowadays though, just cause it stood out as having sucked. It was like the forest temple in the way that you're in a creepy abandoned mansion, the big difference being that you are on a scavenger hunt for a wampa making soup for his wampa wife.
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Right. :lol
I mean sure, I'm tired of the actual forest temple/first dungeon now, but only because I've finished it at least a dozen times now. And it was cool to finally get a new world to explore in the Zelda universe with the Twilight Palace.
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I take it back, perhaps the yeti is more akin to this guy:
(https://msmindy.com/rudolph/images/screenshots/bumble-noteeth.jpg)
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:lol
Come back to ZU. I hardly talk about Zelda there anymore anyway.
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But I'd be a sojourner in a strange land. DTF is my home.
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I've been more active over there now, actually. I only have about 500 posts, but most of that was in the last couple months.
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I'll join the party based on the game I am currently playing!
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:tup :tup
This is great.
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Nice, does that make five or six of us?
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Just FYI, Zelda Reorchestrated is going offline in a couple months. Be sure to download their music before it's too late! They've also authorized downloading Twilight Symphony via torrent.
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Just FYI, Zelda Reorchestrated is going offline in a couple months. Be sure to download their music before it's too late! They've also authorized downloading Twilight Symphony via torrent.
Whoah, thanks for letting us know! Their orchestral arrangement of the LttP Credits Theme and the OoT Ganon Battle are amazing, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Too bad it'll be several more weeks before Dell decides to repair my still-under-warranty laptop and return it to me. :censored
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The new Link To The Past sequel (prequel?) looks fantastic. I am so ready for new top-down Zelda.
https://n4g.com/news/1235473/zelda-3ds-first-footage
https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/17/new-zelda-game-announced-for-nintendo-3ds
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A Link to the Past sequel??!
O_O
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Time to buy a 3DS :omg:
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OH. MAH. GAWD.
:caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:
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This looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! YAY, YAY, YAY! I have been waiting for a top-down, old-school inspired Zelda for the DS for so long. I didn't think it'd happen at this point. This is so fucking exciting!!
Did they announce any specifics? I thought it was just said that it would be set in the same world as ALttP; I don't think it's said to be prequel or sequel yet. Granted, it's probably a sequel but we all know how Ninty is with the timelines of Zeldas...this may, once again, be 'the first' for all we know..or 'the last'...only to be one-upped by another Zelda later this year. Either way, I don't give an eff, I just wanna wank it to this teaser WAHASEDPFOAIHG;LASKGJ! :metal
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They need to release this on the 3DS AND the WiiU. Strongly prefer playing games on a big screen versus a handheld. I'm not going to plunk down a couple hundred dollars just to play this game.
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As one of those Zelda timeline nerds, I hope this also takes place after this particular Link's trips to Holodrum, Labrynna and Koholint Island. Always felt bad that the guy's epic journey ended with him stranded in the middle of the ocean and the Windfish flying off like a dick. :lol
After Hyrule Historia, I'm hoping that now that they've done a prequel for the whole series (Skyward Sword), they'll be focusing on tying up loose ends in the three timelines now. Heck, maybe the game after this will take place after Zelda 1 and 2.
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Oh man. I might have to get a 3DS now. I only beat Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks once, and now there's OOT3D, this new game, and (potentially) MM3D on the way too.
I wonder how this will fit into the timeline. If it takes place in the ALTTP arc, then here are our options:
a) ALTTP -> ALTTP2 -> OOX -> LA
b) ALTTP -> OOX -> ALTTP2 -> LA
c) ALTTP -> OOX -> LA -> ALTTP2
For continuity's sake, I'm going with (a).
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This looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! YAY, YAY, YAY! I have been waiting for a top-down, old-school inspired Zelda for the DS for so long. I didn't think it'd happen at this point. This is so fucking exciting!!
Did they announce any specifics? I thought it was just said that it would be set in the same world as ALttP; I don't think it's said to be prequel or sequel yet. Granted, it's probably a sequel but we all know how Ninty is with the timelines of Zeldas...this may, once again, be 'the first' for all we know..or 'the last'...only to be one-upped by another Zelda later this year. Either way, I don't give an eff, I just wanna wank it to this teaser WAHASEDPFOAIHG;LASKGJ! :metal
The fact that they said it takes place in the ALttP universe means it's not a prequel; it takes place on the Decline Timeline, the same one as the original LoZ and AoL.
But yes. YES.
That also explains why they made this one top-down, or vice versa; all of the classics were all put onto that same timeline.
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Ah, right. Frrrrriggin sweeeeeeet! Damn it I want this right now. I would give my left testicle.
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Yeah that looks awesome... so glad I bought a 3DS :biggrin:
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I just watched a few videos on Youtube of that upcoming Zelda game for the 3DS. Fanboy mode on. :-\
I had no intention of buying a 3DS any time soon, possibly even at all, but it seems there's just more and more better things coming out on it that I think it is inevitable that I will end up buying one eventually. :facepalm:
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Ok, brace yourselves. I've never played A Link to the Past. :( I never had a Super Nintendo growing up, and didn't go for the remake on Advance. Now, I have access to either of those versions to play in anticipation of the new 3DS sequel. Does anyone have a preference for one over the other? Or are they essentially the same?
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They're exactly the same, AFAIK. They didn't change anything content-wise on the GBA, except for adding Four Swords Adventures.
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They're exactly the same, AFAIK. They didn't change anything content-wise on the GBA, except for adding Four Swords Adventures.
The block puzzle in the Ice Dungeon of the GBA remake is significantly easier than the original, and they also changed the sound effects so that Link sounds like Young Link from OoT whenever he swings his sword or something. I'd go with the original SNES version if you can.
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They're exactly the same, AFAIK. They didn't change anything content-wise on the GBA, except for adding Four Swords Adventures.
The block puzzle in the Ice Dungeon of the GBA remake is significantly easier than the original, and they also changed the sound effects so that Link sounds like Young Link from OoT whenever he swings his sword or something. I'd go with the original SNES version if you can.
I had no idea they redid some puzzles.
Yeah, Fiery Winds, the biggest differences come from Four Swords. If you beat Four Swords, you unlock a new dungeon, a new final boss, and a new ending. If you get 10 medals in Four Swords, you unlock a side quest for the hurricane spin attack. Obviously, it is extremely difficult nowadays to beat Four Swords since no one cares about Zelda anymore. I did it once a long time ago when it first came out, but I never got all the medals.
Link also yells in the GBA version when you attack or get hit. It is actually pretty annoying. If anything, that will make you want to play the SNES version.
So basically, my verdict is that unless you have any hope of playing Four Swords, just get the SNES version.
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So apparently it is possible to beat Majora's Mask in a single 3-day cycle (not counting the first cycle as Deku Link). It is incredibly difficult, especially in getting Epona. You have to go to Southern Swamp, sneak past the guards to get the Sonata of Awakening, get the bow from the Woodfall temple, do the Goron Mask sidequest in Snowhead, get the fire arrows from the Snowhead temple, get powder keg certified, and race to Milk Road to blow up the boulder and get Epona. All before the night of the First Day.
But I'm gonna do it.
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Also, be sure to download ZREO's Twilight Symphony! It is really good. It is three discs, and because they only made a limited number of copies, they have authorized torrenting the music.
Here is the overture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyyD08VQswU
In the description box are links to the download.
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Thanks for the tips guys! I actually decided that since I've never finished the first NES game either (I was 5 when I played it), I'd start a playthrough from the beginning. I'm using a guide too (loosely), since I'd rather not waste time, but only for non-dungeons. Some of those hidden rupees are just impossible to find without flaming each. and. every. bush. Currently have 8 hearts and got the Blue Ring. :D
Yes, I'm going to play Zelda II. *GULP*
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Just a warning - if you take the magic potions over the hearts, you will never again have an opportunity to get those hearts. Other than that, you should be good.
By the way, the first Zelda was meant to be used with a guide. Not only did the original instruction manual contain clues, but issues of Nintendo Power would slowly release secrets about the game. Zelda was also meant to be a social experience; you would share the secrets you discovered with your friends.
I wasn't alive during the time of the first Zelda, but I've done an (embarrassingly) large amount of Zelda research. :CJS:
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I didn't have an avatar, so I decided to go in with the Zelda thing.
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:tup
Now go forth and make a couple thousand posts!
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I think I'll join in with all the Zelda avatars :hat
I've been playing a lot of Zelda lately mostly speed running ALttP right now. Definitely the funnest Zelda game to play for me.
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I've been playing a lot of Zelda lately mostly speed running ALttP right now. Definitely the funnest Zelda game to play for me.
Playing this as well right now. Such a fun, engaging game. Stranded on a desert island, with only one video game to play, I might indeed choose this.
Link also yells in the GBA version when you attack or get hit. It is actually pretty annoying.
It is pretty goddamn annoying. I want to tar and feather the person that thought that would be a good feature to add to these games.
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I don't think the slashing sounds are *that* bad.
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I never noticed it tbh even after playing the GBA version non stop the past few days.
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First few were annoying, but after a while it becomes white noise. Still wish it wasn't there but it's not bad enough to affect my personal playing of the game.
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It doesn't affect my enjoyment either, but playing through ALttP makes me appreciate when it is not there. And hoenstly, it would be better if it was somehow saved for boss battles, or fatal blows, instead of everything. Does Link swing his sword at Ganon with as much ferocity as he does toward a bush?
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Try playing Zelda without being obsessive over pots and bushes. It adds a new dimension to the game.
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Well that's how I always play I never break a pot or cut a bush unless I have too.
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GRRR. I am so close to getting Epona before the night of the first day. Literally, I made it at 6:07pm. So frustrating.
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You know what would make for a great picture? Snidely Whiplash Ganondorf twirling his handlebar mustache and laughing, with Princess Zelda tied up on the train tracks with a demon train from Spirit Tracks coming, and Link riding Epona in to save the day in a green Dudley Do-right outfit.
...I really need to practice drawing more. :millahhhh
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Try playing Zelda without being obsessive over pots and bushes. It adds a new dimension to the game.
I don't usually appreciate getting burned, but this one indeed made me :lol
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Try playing Zelda without being obsessive over pots and bushes. It adds a new dimension to the game.
You mean there's more to do than just break pots and cut down bushes?!?! :omg:
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So Link's sword fighting style has been discovered. It is an obscure Okinawan style called "tinbe-rochin", meaning "shield and sword" I think.
Compare these two videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qpvUDqtv0p4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FSC6URHdRWk
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Despite only ever owning Nintendo consoles, I've never played a Zelda game all the way through. I know, it's weird. So my friend is making me play The Wind Waker. It's his favorite game in the series, and he says it's a good starting point. I'm enjoying it so far. Just cleared the Forest Temple, whatever it's called.
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Aww, you should wait for the WiiU remake, unless you're positive you'll never get one. It's going to be incredible.
Watching the trailer for the new LttP on the actual 3DS with the (somewhat distorted cause videofuck) 3D is great. I can't wait to see this game in all its glory and play the fuck out of it.
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I'm fairly positive I won't get a WiiU. If I do, it'll be several years from now.
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Anyone else disappointed by Skyward Sword as much as me ?
After Twlight Princess and Windwaker it just felt ...meh...
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Anyone else disappointed by Skyward Sword as much as me ?
After Twlight Princess and Windwaker it just felt ...meh...
Have you finished it?
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Anyone else disappointed by Skyward Sword as much as me ?
After Twlight Princess and Windwaker it just felt ...meh...
Have you finished it?
The true form of Demise (not his "Imprisoned" form which looks like something out of Sesame Street) is pretty cool, and the guy has some awesome dialogue, but everything else about the ending was forgettable, as is the rest of SS. That being said, the look Link gives the horde of Bokoblins just before he goes to town on them was one of the more badass moments of the series, and the melody of the Bokoblin horn was identical to that of the flute in LttP, which was a nice touch.
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Anyone else disappointed by Skyward Sword as much as me ?
After Twlight Princess and Windwaker it just felt ...meh...
*raises hand*
I tried several times to like this game. I don't mean to take anything away from those who enjoyed it, but it's easily my least favorite of all the console Zelda titles.
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A Link to the Past 2 is going to have the Dark World! :caffeine:
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Where you been bro? That news is ancient. Like, DAYS ancient.
:P Yeah, awesome news.
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Even though we literally see the Dark World become the Golden Land again in the ALTTP credits :facepalm:
I hope they do this right. ALTTP is my favorite game of all time but I don't like the more cartoony look of Link's model so far.
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I like it; it's a throwback to the originals. What people don't seem to understand is OoT was such an anomaly for being a dark Zelda game at the time.
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I like it too. I mean, I don't prefer one to the other. I like the fact that the different Links have their unique graphical representation. It reflects their personalities.
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I like it; it's a throwback to the originals. What people don't seem to understand is OoT was such an anomaly for being a dark Zelda game at the time.
I'm not really talking about darkness per se, but the "Paper Link" model doesn't jibe with the ALTTP art work at all. I feel like the art style of the games was at least somewhat consistent until the Wind Waker came out, with the only major differences being Link's age.
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I like it; it's a throwback to the originals. What people don't seem to understand is OoT was such an anomaly for being a dark Zelda game at the time.
I'm not really talking about darkness per se, but the "Paper Link" model doesn't jibe with the ALTTP art work at all. I feel like the art style of the games was at least somewhat consistent until the Wind Waker came out, with the only major differences being Link's age.
Are you referring to the art work in the LttP manual or the player's guide? The latter was done by an outside artist, and probably the best artwork to ever appear in a Nintendo-licensed publication. The same artist also did the artwork for what I think was a European player's guide for Link's Awakening.
I think Nintendo has always strived to keep the Zelda series appropriate for all ages, even with quasi-exceptions like Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess; probably for the same reason that movie studios always shoot for a PG-13 rating - to appeal to as large an audience as possible. Too bad they just don't seem to grasp how that approach doesn't really apply as much to video games.
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But it does work for Zelda. It may be the bitchiest, insatiable vidya game fanbase on the planet, but damn it if it's not diverse.
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I like it; it's a throwback to the originals. What people don't seem to understand is OoT was such an anomaly for being a dark Zelda game at the time.
I'm not really talking about darkness per se, but the "Paper Link" model doesn't jibe with the ALTTP art work at all. I feel like the art style of the games was at least somewhat consistent until the Wind Waker came out, with the only major differences being Link's age.
Are you referring to the art work in the LttP manual or the player's guide? The latter was done by an outside artist, and probably the best artwork to ever appear in a Nintendo-licensed publication. The same artist also did the artwork for what I think was a European player's guide for Link's Awakening.
I think Nintendo has always strived to keep the Zelda series appropriate for all ages, even with quasi-exceptions like Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess; probably for the same reason that movie studios always shoot for a PG-13 rating - to appeal to as large an audience as possible. Too bad they just don't seem to grasp how that approach doesn't really apply as much to video games.
I was referring to the manual and the game's official art, though I do love the art from the player's guide as well.
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A cool live action Link vs. Dark Link short film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8yqwvYo5PA
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A Link to the Past 2 will run at 60 fps in 3D mode and feature a "big surprise" at the beginning.
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Twilight Princess
A Link To The Past
Ocarina Of time / Windwaker
Link's Awakening
Skyward Sword
Majora's Mask
Zelda
Zelda II
That's all i've played...
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I dunno if you have a 3DS, but Oracle of Ages and Seasons both came out on the eShop the other day. I've been playing them like mad and loving it. Really amazing entries in the series, especially with all the little secrets and such throughout both games, using that pesky password system but...eh, it's old tech now.
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I'm playing through them both now, too. You know, you basically have to beat each game twice to 100% it.
1. Oracle of Seasons
2. Oracle of Ages (secret quest)
3. Oracle of Ages (hero quest)
4. Oracle of Seasons (secret quest)
It's the only way to get all the rings. (You don't necessarily have to start with Seasons.)
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Playing through Phantom Hourglass now, and probably Spirit Tracks after. I'm liking it so far, I've never used the stylus so much.
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On my third play through on Skyward Sword. My mind isn't changed on much, but there is something addictive about the game.
I feel that there are one or two brief moments where the highs are higher than any point of Twilight Princess, but overall the game is much worse.
The Lanayru Desert is so much better than the other areas of the game that I have to wonder if they were all made by different designers. The concept of the sand sea and being in the boat with the timeshift stone is such an amazing idea, definitely a highlight of the game along with Levias.
The lows of the game however are extremely low.
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The last thing I would consider SS is 'Addictive.' To me, it was not a bad game, and didn't have any significant lows. But it wasn't a great game either, with any significant highs. It was just sort of... there. Like a mediocre looking girl in school. She isn't hot enough to catch your eye, but she isn't awkward of goofy enough to take notice of either. She isn't popular, doesn't play any sports, isn't in the advanced classes. She is friendly, you have an occasional chat with her. But later you forget what you talked about.
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Hmm, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. I think it has a few highs that bring me back, but the lows are significantly lower than any other console Zelda game.
The Fire Sanctuary is probably the worst Zelda dungeon I have ever played (though I've only completed 9 of the games).
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I just realized I changed my avatar but not the quote below it. Oops.
It's all good. I wasn't trying to speak down to your opinion, just voicing my own. But to your point, I cannot recall anything about the Fire Sanctuary, and I played the game less than a year ago!
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Right on.
There were just a lot of things about it that were either "meh" or flat out disappointing. The theme and layout were pretty uninspiring overall, but the item was the Mogma Mitts, which were really just an upgrade to an item you already have. The only addition is that you can do underground 2D mazes, which really feel like a technology rewind.
The enemies are no different than the ones all over the map (a huge problem with the game in general), except for the two minibosses. The two Dinofols are alright, but the two lava hands were dumb.
The whole dungeon relies on stupid mechanics, like making a water drop fall in lava and it forms a momentary rock island. If that isn't weird enough, they will sink in a few seconds in "still" lava, but if you give the lava a current they last until it reaches the end of the "river". What?! How are you supposed to make sense of this without just doing obvious puzzle solving things in the room until everything works?
And lastly, the dungeon boss is Ghirahim, who we already fought earlier in the game. It's not that it didn't introduce anything new, and it's not that it's a terrible fight per se, but we expect to have grand bosses in big dungeons, and not just rehashes of ones we fought before. Having Ghirahim be the boss of two dungeons robs us of two boss fights. I'm fine with him being fought a couple times, but I would like it a lot more if he was not a dungeon boss at all. It certainly doesn't help that I hate the character.
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Coincidentally, I played through Skyward Sword the other night. I had been doing a 'play a few hours a week at a friends, come back few weeks later and pick back up' shtick and it worked fine for me as I really couldn't get into the story, so I kinda just focused on the gameplay and having fun, and I seemed to enjoy it more that way. That said, that's not a good thing as I don't really view it as a true Zelda, despite it's origin story and major contributions to the storyline, especially the timeline. It's cool what they did, but I just didn't feel like I was all that invested. Great game; a 'eh!' Zelda title.
I mean, as I've got Oracle of Ages on pause while I'm typing this, I find myself more enamored with the people of this little 2D world than the fleshed out characters of SS. Maybe that's got more to do with my tastes rather than how they present the characters, but there's just that bit of...'magic' that's missing, for lack of a better word. I loved the quirky nature of a lot of SS's characters, but felt like they were flat for the time that some of them got. I know I'm not articulating this well at all and you've probably got no idea what I'm talking about, but it's tough to put into words. It's as if the OoA/S characters have more 'character' in their few lines they 'speak' than the meanderings of the denizens of SS's world.
It'd odd. I'm not sure how I feel about it; I had fun, but I'm not nearly as into it as I am nearly every other Zelda title. There was simply something missing. I have hope for the future though, if they could find a balance between the great cinematic component of SS, combined with the quirkyness of the characters in TWW, and have that 'heart' element, the missing link, from the old school generations...then I'd be completely happy. :P
P.S. Can't fucking wait for LttP2 raaaaaaaar. Now that looks innovative.
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SS is the one game I haven't beaten. I've only played the demo at Target and it was pretty fun. Probably the best control scheme/gameplay in a Zelda game I've played. And it got glowing reviews. Like, OoT status. So I'm a bit skeptical of you guys when you imply that it wasn't that great.
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I hated Skyward Sword. It felt totally rushed and recycled and un-engaging.
Nothing about it really endeared me to it like TP or WW.
And I'm sure certain maps were the same as other games just with new designs.
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SS is the one game I haven't beaten. I've only played the demo at Target and it was pretty fun. Probably the best control scheme/gameplay in a Zelda game I've played. And it got glowing reviews. Like, OoT status. So I'm a bit skeptical of you guys when you imply that it wasn't that great.
Many of the positive things people have said about it are true, but is definitely not as good as Ocarina, or in the same ballpark even (in my book). It's not a terrible game, but to me it's an awful Zelda game in many ways. What's funny is that we've had a world of technological advancements since Ocarina, but in some ways Skyward Sword is still a couple steps behind it. Skyward Sword involves no day/night cycle. While night can be manually triggered in Skyloft, it does not exist in Hyrule (save for one short mandatory bit of the Eldin Volcano). It's just mind boggling that we had gradual day/night rotation in a game fifteen years ago and did not implement it in a current title. While Ocarina's cycle moved too fast, it was supposed to feel like it took a day to cross Hyrule field. Though I suppose it's harder to miss in Skyward Sword since there is no Hyrule field, and it's just three unconnected areas :facepalm:
edit: It's all opinion of course, so try it out for yourself. I don't deny the enjoyment anyone got out of Skyward Sword, but I highly doubt most people enjoy it as much as Ocarina.
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SS is the one game I haven't beaten. I've only played the demo at Target and it was pretty fun. Probably the best control scheme/gameplay in a Zelda game I've played. And it got glowing reviews. Like, OoT status. So I'm a bit skeptical of you guys when you imply that it wasn't that great.
I feel that the Zelda series is a lot like Quentin Tarantino films - whenever a new one comes out, critics and media are going to gush over it no matter what, but to find out if the game/film is any good or not, you need to actually ask someone who's played/seen it, just like we're doing in this topic. Generally speaking, Zelda games and Tarantino films are usually quite good, but may not always be your cup of tea (i.e., opinions of OoT and Pulp Fiction are almost unanimously positive, but I didn't care for Inglorious Basterds. . . or Skyward Sword, despite lots of people loving both.)
I've heard that the control scheme in SS is more bearable if you have the newer Wii controller with the Motion Plus built into it instead of the separate attachment, and maybe some people picked up on the sword fighting easier than others, but personally I couldn't stand it. As for gameplay, SS had a lot of "collecting quests," and revisiting the same area multiple times - one of the dungeons even had to be played through twice! There were a few cool locales - Inside the Nimbus Cloud and sailing the Sand Sea were particularly good - but for the most part the environments were dull.
Also, I much preferred the more mature atmosphere of TP than the overwhelming kiddiness of SS, but that's more of a personal preference than gameplay issue.
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I'm not sure why skepticism is even needed...it's an opinion; play the game for yourself and form your own opinion. I'm just here for the cookies, man.
But really, that's a bit odd. I never take anyone's review without a salt bath. The game did get glowing reviews from critics. There's also quite a large faction of fans that think the game is overrated; I'm in that camp. Doesn't mean I don't like the game or even that it wasn't great at times and in ways. Then again, that's just me. Play it.
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It has been a while since my whole play through, but I thought SS has day/night?
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Also, I much preferred the more mature atmosphere of TP than the overwhelming kiddiness of SS, but that's more of a personal preference than gameplay issue.
+ 1 . The whole creepy vibe of TP was just amazing IMO. I loved it so much.
From the creepy almost Silent Hill style music to the sound effects when a portal opened etc etc...
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So there are just three unconnected areas? Is there an overworld, like Hyrule field? Or is that what the flying around bit is all about?
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SS is the one game I haven't beaten. I've only played the demo at Target and it was pretty fun. Probably the best control scheme/gameplay in a Zelda game I've played. And it got glowing reviews. Like, OoT status. So I'm a bit skeptical of you guys when you imply that it wasn't that great.
I feel that the Zelda series is a lot like Quentin Tarantino films - whenever a new one comes out, critics and media are going to gush over it no matter what, but to find out if the game/film is any good or not, you need to actually ask someone who's played the game, just like we're doing in this topic. Generally speaking, Zelda games and films are usually quite good, but may not always be your cup of tea (i.e., opinions of OoT and Pulp Fiction are almost unanimously positive, but I didn't care for Inglorious Basterds. . . or Skyward Sword, despite lots of people loving both.)
I've heard that the control scheme in SS is more bearable if you have the newer Wii controller with the Motion Plus built into it instead of the separate attachment, and maybe some people picked the sword fighting easier than others, but personally I couldn't stand it. As for gameplay, SS had a lot of "collecting quests," and revisiting the same area multiple times - one of the dungeons even had to played through twice! There were a few cool locales - Inside the Nimbus Cloud and sailing the Sand Sea were particularly good - but for the most part the environments were dull.
Also, I much preferred the more mature atmosphere of TP than the overwhelming kiddiness of SS, but that's more of a personal preference than gameplay issue.
I agree with this on most points. I actually enjoyed the motion control aspects for the sword, even if they need to be recalibrated regularly. What bothered me was the use of motion controls on..well...everything else. Swimming and flying didn't need it at all and only made the controls worse. The harp was a nightmare at times but really easy most the time, and the little cutscenes of slamming your sword in the ground definitely didn't need motion control application.
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So there are just three unconnected areas? Is there an overworld, like Hyrule field? Or is that what the flying around bit is all about?
Yes, and you visit each area three times, generally with changes each time you come back.
The overworld is the Sky World, but don't get your hopes up for exploration. It's minimal.
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So there are just three unconnected areas? Is there an overworld, like Hyrule field? Or is that what the flying around bit is all about?
Overworld is the sky, which is like Wind Waker's ocean but with less content. Say you need to get from the forest to Death Mountain, you can't travel there in a straight line. You need to find a bird statue that warps you to the sky, fly to the red beacon in the overworld, and descend to another bird statue.
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That's kind of lame. I actually didn't mind Wind Waker's way of doing it, though, because at least you had a ton of islands to explore, and everything is still "connected" in a sense. And it was cool, seeing the dim outlines of islands in the distance, getting larger as you got closer to them. But warping everywhere to get around? That's basically what Four Swords Adventures was like, where you just get dropped off somewhere. This is Zelda, not Mario.
At the very least, is there a good exploration element within the regions themselves? Or is it basically like, "Here you are at Death Mountain Trail; make your way to the top!"
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Tio, how is the Oracles playthrough going? I'm almost finished with my secrets run of Ages, in the seventh dungeon. The most annoying dungeon of them all. If you're not there yet, prepare to spend 80% of the time underwater with awkward controls, solving water raising/lower puzzles, hunting for keys all over the map, and being limited to only your A-button item slot (due to being underwater). Did I mention the music is drone-y and monotonous, and repeats every 20 seconds?
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That's kind of lame. I actually didn't mind Wind Waker's way of doing it, though, because at least you had a ton of islands to explore, and everything is still "connected" in a sense. And it was cool, seeing the dim outlines of islands in the distance, getting larger as you got closer to them. But warping everywhere to get around? That's basically what Four Swords Adventures was like, where you just get dropped off somewhere. This is Zelda, not Mario.
At the very least, is there a good exploration element within the regions themselves? Or is it basically like, "Here you are at Death Mountain Trail; make your way to the top!"
There are different parts of the regions that you can explore, for example: Death Mountain (sorry, the game only calls it Eldin Volcano) has the basic islands floating in lava part, a sand hill you have to run up, a summit, etc. The woods has the main tree area, the deep woods, Lake Floria, etc. Also, once you talk to enough bird statues, there are more positions where you can descend.
However, all these areas, especially the volcano, are incredibly linear. Some parts of the woods are a little open ended, but the volcano literally only has one way to go all the way up to the top. You can see the volcano from the forest area but you cannot reach it.
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Fuck it, I'm copy-pasting from the video game thread. Meant to post in this thread anyway.
I beat my linked Ages game yesterday. First time I ever had Ages be the second game. My opinions on the games changed a bit. I still think the Oracle games are the best in the series, but now I like Seasons over Ages. Better overworld, better gimmick (changing the seasons is more interesting than time travel at this point), better items (Roc's cape ftw, a good chunk of Ages items were just pointless upgrades of stuff you already got), better dungeons. Though one thing Ages has over Seasons is the story. You have all these bits between dungeons involving Nayru and Ambi, Ralph, the Black Tower being built, etc. In Seasons, you barely speak to Din before she get's kidnapped, and then basically everything between dungeons involves going-ons in Subrosia while Onox and Din are ignored until the very end. I do like how suspending games when going between them makes using the codes far less tedious.
Also, the Master Sword + Red Ring combo is the most OP thing ever. I tore Veran and Ganon a new asshole with that.
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I agree with your comparison between the games. And the MS/RR combo just makes the game unfair. Maybe 4 spin attacks and Ganon is down. Far better than even the power level 3 ring or whatever it's called.
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It's funny though, because when I played Seasons as the first game, I finally appreciated how difficult Onox is without the MS/RR. When I was a kid I just went through him like butter. :lol
Oh, and fuck the Hero's Cave in Ages. I'm stuck on the room where you need to move the colored die over the proper panels while making sure the lava in the room is hardened. You can either fuck up and wind up destroying the cube in the lava, or fall into the lava yourself. Either way, you pretty much go back to the previous room and start the whole process over.
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Yup. The puzzle for that one is simple, but so frustrating to pull off. The WORST though is that tile puzzle. I tried that about a hundred times, always unable to get that one last colored tile. I had to look up the answer and my jaw just hit the floor. WTF.
I'm convinced that the two Hero's Caves have the hardest puzzles in pretty much all of Zelda.
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I don't remember either of the Hero's Caves being particularly hard, but then again I don't remember much of anything from either game. I'm currently playing through Seasons right now and I will most likely play Ages afterwards. Definitely not looking forward to Ages though mostly because of the 7th dungeon I do remember that one being really annoying.
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I have been playing this minigame for the past 2 1/2 hours:
(https://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100821131344/zelda/images/7/74/Mail_Sorting.png)
Holy hell. I have been getting twenty-four letters every single time. But always, something trips me up, whether it be an incorrect throw or a split second of hesitation. FTG.
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Aaaargg. I hated that stupid thing. Could never get it right.
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Gonna go ahead and throw in my two cents here.
I just recently beat SS for the first time. I started playing it on the heels of beating TP for the 2nd full time. I have to say, I LOVED TP. There was something about the mature setting, the cinema, the plot, that really appealed to me. I loved how it was really close to being an imaginable place, but it still maintained a great deal of that mysticism that I think is key in any and every Zelda game.
When I beat TP, I really didn't want it to end. I was enjoying the shit out of it. Now to SS. I think for the first 5-10 hours of SS, I didn't really like it because it was different from what I wanted (which was more TP). Everybody's right, the walls and walls of text at the beginning of the game were really a drag. I felt like I was reading a book, and the fact they don't allow you to skip text (holding A speeds it up by JUST A TINY AMOUNT but still not fast enough to get ahead of your reading ability). Also, it seems every dialogue goes on for 1-2 stanzas longer than it should. Ever ask Fi for advice on an enemy? There will be 6-7 stanzas of info, 3 on the actual enemy and 3 saying how she doesn't know anything else, you can press this other button to find out more, and she will tell you when she finds out more info (spoiler: she never comes up with new info). In TP, it felt like during some of the boss battles, you and Midna were learning together how to fight and defeat the enemies. Fi decides to give you REALLY SUBTLE HINTS (read: not subtle at all) on how to do things. Want to figure out how to find the Kikiwis? Don't think about it too long, at the end of this stanza Fi will let you dowse for them and find them. Just follow the purple circle!
Now, I will give this game some praise. I got thoroughly addicted to this game for the majority of it. The pace is much more even and consistent than older Zelda titles, meaning there's always stuff to do. I like the idea of overworld bosses, and the cinematic sequences of the game were pretty good and very emotionally accessible. And the Motion Plus is implemented pretty well, for better (mine cart, sword play, obviously, etc) or worse (swimming and flying gave me wrist inflammation, I swear). The Ancient Cistern, Sandship, and Sky Keep were awesome dungeons. The game is difficult but not too annoyingly hard. And although they were stress-inducing, the Spirit Realm sections were really cool and well-implemented. They're definitely one of the more memorable parts of the game. They took the Spirit Tears idea from TP and improved upon it in SS.
Back to some complaints of mine. Skyloft was almost entirely uninteresting, and hard to learn. I still, after a 55 hour game, don't remember specific locations of hardly any houses, or how I'd get there. Too many levels and not enough interesting areas. The sky in general was such a waste. You've got the Lumpy Pumpkin, which is cool, but you finish a sidequest there about 30% into the game and there's really no reason to go back after (except for one quick sidequest). In addition, the characters there are pretty boring. There's the bamboo chopping island (again pretty pointless after a visit or two), Fun Fun Island (I attempted that about 3-4 times and decided it was awful and not worth my time at all), then what else? Seriously, the sky islands were such a wasted opportunity. Plus, flying became an endless chore. Why make the islands and the portals so far apart? I wanted a way to warp so badly by the time I got halfway through the game.
Also, I'M SO TIRED OF FIGHTING THE IMPRISONED. The first time we fought, oh interesting...not too hard. The second time, alllright, whatever. Three times though? It doesn't necessarily get more wholly difficult, just more annoying as you go. I was kinda pissed when I realized I had to fight it a 3rd time. The third time, I died without even knocking the stake in once. Next try, I got it. It was hard, but definitely not in the fun way. It's not a fun idea/boss to repeat 3 times. Felt like a Donkey Kong 64 boss half the time. Oh man, this time it grows a halo and flies up slowly, WHAT WILL IT DO NEXT?!! And then I fought it like 15 more times getting the Hylian Shield and piece of heart from that fucking sand dragon. Ugh. Good riddance.
Also, regarding the final sequence after you beat the game. So the end sequence, Impa is revealed to be the old "Grannie" with the tassle thing at the Sealed Grounds. However, in the same sequence they show regular/young Impa helping Zelda in the fire dungeon, in the later time point (main one). So, for awhile, it would appear that young Impa (helping Zelda at Eldin Volcano and Temple of Time) and old Impa (still at Sealed Grounds/Temple) existed at the exact same time, in the later time point (though young Impa mainly lived in the early one). Was there something with old Impa/Grannie disappearing when the threesome came back from the past that I didn't understand?
Also, the part at the end of the game where Fi goes back to the Master Sword and you leave it/her was so lame. Of course, they couldn't let that happen without some sort of forced emotion, so they had Fi act like she was going to miss you and she had "happiness" with you. So lame and unnecessary. Totally out of character and just an attempt to add emotional value to the ending.
Overall though, I really enjoyed the game. I only beat it a week ago, played an hour on hero mode, but I doubt I'll pursue that much further. I'm interested to see how it ages but so far it's not aging well. I think the game is missing that mystique that is so crucial to Zelda games. It didn't feel purely Zelda-ish either; parts reminded me of Mario or Donkey Kong. Still though, would recommend people playing it.
Going to attempt to rate the games I've played through all the way so far (only got like 1/4 of the way through MM when I played it so it gets left off).
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Twilight Princess
3. A Link to the Past
4. Skyward Sword
5. Link's Awakening (not to bash this game, but due to its nature its ceiling is inherently lower)
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I'm playing it right now (in the 3rd dungeon) and so far, gameplay is AWESOME. I will agree with your comment that it is like Donkey Kong, particularly DK64 in my mind, but that was a killer game so I don't care. I do wonder, though, how many meaningless sidequests there are. I've been finding all these treasures and I have no idea what they're for.
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I'm playing it right now (in the 3rd dungeon) and so far, gameplay is AWESOME. I will agree with your comment that it is like Donkey Kong, particularly DK64 in my mind, but that was a killer game so I don't care. I do wonder, though, how many meaningless sidequests there are. I've been finding all these treasures and I have no idea what they're for.
Shitloads. Well, not necessarily meaningless (i.e., the musical note collecting) but quite difficult and/or tedious (the Hylian Shield Boss Rush.) It seems that the only feedback that Nintendo listened to regarding TP was a lack of sidequests; Zelda gameplay can usually be described by the usual overworld-dungeon-overworld et. al. ex, but SS is perhaps the first Zelda game that can be described as sidequests-dungeon-sidequest et. all.
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I'm playing it right now (in the 3rd dungeon) and so far, gameplay is AWESOME. I will agree with your comment that it is like Donkey Kong, particularly DK64 in my mind, but that was a killer game so I don't care. I do wonder, though, how many meaningless sidequests there are. I've been finding all these treasures and I have no idea what they're for.
Yeah you get a ton of treasures as you go but don't realize how badly you actually want them til about halfway through when it's time to massively upgrade your stuff. But of course I ended up with 50-60 amber relics and jelly blobs and was running out of the things I actually needed for upgrades. You can sell some to make some money but that doesn't really help the problem of not having rarer ones.
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I think I'll just worry about beating the game for now, then start the Hero's Quest and go for 100% completion on that. No need to worry about heart pieces/upgrades since I've only died a couple times.
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A Link To The Past is probably the best Zelda Game and I played it to death when i was younger.
I adored Ocarina Of Time when I was younger too and pretty much played it all day every day.
Hated Majora's Mask. I didn't mind that they went darker - I just found the 3 day thing to be a real annoyance.
Absolutely *loved* Windwaker. It was bright and upbeat and a joy to play. Had great music and visuals and I really liked being on the ocean.
Twilight Princess is by far my favourite though. The visuals and the mood and the sound. I just LOVE the whole creepy vibe.
Really disappointed with Skyward Sword though. It just felt rushed and cobbled together.
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I don't think it felt rushed, but it felt like Nintendo was trying to walk a straight line between TP and WW, something that would have mass appeal. As a result I think it's missing some of the eerie undertones that always drive the story behind the Zelda games. They made the game brighter and more cheerful, but still fairly realistic. I thought graphically it was a good compromise between the last two (realizing that my own preference of having another TP-like game isn't best for the franchise). I think the plot was very good, it was pretty intricate and the cutscenes were top-notch. Still, like I keep saying, I think the reason that I love Zelda games so much is that they're fun, but every now and then they'll introduce something that creeps you the eff out (Wallmasters, Re-dead, Bottom of the well/Shadow Temple, that Interlopers cutscene in TP (omg such a powerful sequence)), and that adds to your memory of the game. When it's all roses are adorable blonde Zeldas, it doesn't connect in as many aspects.
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Remind me of the interlopers cutscene :)
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As I play through ALttP (taking a break from nearly throwing my 3DS against the wall from the Ganon fight in OoA), I am really fucking excited for the sequel and I realized it's not that far off now. I am going to be absolutely glued to this device in a couple months time. Switching out Pokemon X and ALBW. :omg: :metal
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Gonna go ahead and throw in my two cents here.
I just recently beat SS for the first time. I started playing it on the heels of beating TP for the 2nd full time. I have to say, I LOVED TP. There was something about the mature setting, the cinema, the plot, that really appealed to me. I loved how it was really close to being an imaginable place, but it still maintained a great deal of that mysticism that I think is key in any and every Zelda game.
When I beat TP, I really didn't want it to end. I was enjoying the shit out of it. Now to SS. I think for the first 5-10 hours of SS, I didn't really like it because it was different from what I wanted (which was more TP). Everybody's right, the walls and walls of text at the beginning of the game were really a drag. I felt like I was reading a book, and the fact they don't allow you to skip text (holding A speeds it up by JUST A TINY AMOUNT but still not fast enough to get ahead of your reading ability). Also, it seems every dialogue goes on for 1-2 stanzas longer than it should. Ever ask Fi for advice on an enemy? There will be 6-7 stanzas of info, 3 on the actual enemy and 3 saying how she doesn't know anything else, you can press this other button to find out more, and she will tell you when she finds out more info (spoiler: she never comes up with new info). In TP, it felt like during some of the boss battles, you and Midna were learning together how to fight and defeat the enemies. Fi decides to give you REALLY SUBTLE HINTS (read: not subtle at all) on how to do things. Want to figure out how to find the Kikiwis? Don't think about it too long, at the end of this stanza Fi will let you dowse for them and find them. Just follow the purple circle!
Now, I will give this game some praise. I got thoroughly addicted to this game for the majority of it. The pace is much more even and consistent than older Zelda titles, meaning there's always stuff to do. I like the idea of overworld bosses, and the cinematic sequences of the game were pretty good and very emotionally accessible. And the Motion Plus is implemented pretty well, for better (mine cart, sword play, obviously, etc) or worse (swimming and flying gave me wrist inflammation, I swear). The Ancient Cistern, Sandship, and Sky Keep were awesome dungeons. The game is difficult but not too annoyingly hard. And although they were stress-inducing, the Spirit Realm sections were really cool and well-implemented. They're definitely one of the more memorable parts of the game. They took the Spirit Tears idea from TP and improved upon it in SS.
Back to some complaints of mine. Skyloft was almost entirely uninteresting, and hard to learn. I still, after a 55 hour game, don't remember specific locations of hardly any houses, or how I'd get there. Too many levels and not enough interesting areas. The sky in general was such a waste. You've got the Lumpy Pumpkin, which is cool, but you finish a sidequest there about 30% into the game and there's really no reason to go back after (except for one quick sidequest). In addition, the characters there are pretty boring. There's the bamboo chopping island (again pretty pointless after a visit or two), Fun Fun Island (I attempted that about 3-4 times and decided it was awful and not worth my time at all), then what else? Seriously, the sky islands were such a wasted opportunity. Plus, flying became an endless chore. Why make the islands and the portals so far apart? I wanted a way to warp so badly by the time I got halfway through the game.
Also, I'M SO TIRED OF FIGHTING THE IMPRISONED. The first time we fought, oh interesting...not too hard. The second time, alllright, whatever. Three times though? It doesn't necessarily get more wholly difficult, just more annoying as you go. I was kinda pissed when I realized I had to fight it a 3rd time. The third time, I died without even knocking the stake in once. Next try, I got it. It was hard, but definitely not in the fun way. It's not a fun idea/boss to repeat 3 times. Felt like a Donkey Kong 64 boss half the time. Oh man, this time it grows a halo and flies up slowly, WHAT WILL IT DO NEXT?!! And then I fought it like 15 more times getting the Hylian Shield and piece of heart from that fucking sand dragon. Ugh. Good riddance.
Also, regarding the final sequence after you beat the game. So the end sequence, Impa is revealed to be the old "Grannie" with the tassle thing at the Sealed Grounds. However, in the same sequence they show regular/young Impa helping Zelda in the fire dungeon, in the later time point (main one). So, for awhile, it would appear that young Impa (helping Zelda at Eldin Volcano and Temple of Time) and old Impa (still at Sealed Grounds/Temple) existed at the exact same time, in the later time point (though young Impa mainly lived in the early one). Was there something with old Impa/Grannie disappearing when the threesome came back from the past that I didn't understand?
Also, the part at the end of the game where Fi goes back to the Master Sword and you leave it/her was so lame. Of course, they couldn't let that happen without some sort of forced emotion, so they had Fi act like she was going to miss you and she had "happiness" with you. So lame and unnecessary. Totally out of character and just an attempt to add emotional value to the ending.
Overall though, I really enjoyed the game. I only beat it a week ago, played an hour on hero mode, but I doubt I'll pursue that much further. I'm interested to see how it ages but so far it's not aging well. I think the game is missing that mystique that is so crucial to Zelda games. It didn't feel purely Zelda-ish either; parts reminded me of Mario or Donkey Kong. Still though, would recommend people playing it.
Going to attempt to rate the games I've played through all the way so far (only got like 1/4 of the way through MM when I played it so it gets left off).
1. Ocarina of Time
2. Twilight Princess
3. A Link to the Past
4. Skyward Sword
5. Link's Awakening (not to bash this game, but due to its nature its ceiling is inherently lower)
I agree with just about everything said here, though I still place A Link to the Past on top. At this point it is hard to tell just how much of that opinion is the nostalgia speaking, but damn did that game hit the nail on the head with everything for me.
Ocarina and Twilight Princess also did, but I feel like most of what we consider staples of Zelda began with A Link to the Past, and for its time I think it is the best game ever made.
I keep trying to go back to Skyward Sword, and I regret the decision every time. We can argue about art styles all day long, but from a graphics perspective Skyward Sword looks like it's two generations behind everything else. Other things made the game feel dated as well, like not being able to complete the Fun Fun Island sidequest simply because I haven't found Kukiel yet. You can walk up to it (there are other examples of this in the game too, but this is the one that comes to mind) and not be able to target it or have Fi say anything even though you know exactly what it is, what to do with it, and have talked to Dodoh where he cried about losing it. But because the sidequest wasn't "activated" yet by finding Kukiel (which has nothing to do with Fun Fun Island), you can't do anything about it yet, and have to repeat the process later. It's like being back in 1998.
With the slight exception of the Lanayru province, returning to the three areas is an absolute chore. I don't feel that they reveal enough new content or terrain to justify backtracking that much, especially without a field to connect them all. The lack of a warp was sorely missed, but I would have been content with being able to, you know, explore Hyrule. How could they get this wrong?
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Remind me of the interlopers cutscene :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRa14eIa750
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:tup Gotcha.
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What is it that makes ALTTP such a beloved game? It's classic Zelda, but that's about it. Its basic elements are present in nearly every other game.
I will say that I've been very impressed with SS's graphics, to the above post which complained about them. Best of the series, IMO. Very pretty overworld.
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TL;DR: OoT and LttP are my faves. SS and TP are equally awesome, but have many flaws. Zelda Wii U should have a realistic graphic style and combine the strengths of SS and TP.
Huge Zelda fan here. My favorites are OoT and LttP, depending on which I've played most recently.
I'm going to give Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess some critiquing here, but please understand that I love both games, and thoroughly enjoy playing them. However, despite being awesome games, there are plenty of flaws in both games, much more so than my two favorites, which I find to be near perfect games.
I really like SS, but I agree that it has plenty of flaws. Like has already been said, the Sky is too empty, and having to fight the Imprisoned so many times really sucks. I don't really find it enjoyable any of those times either. I get the feeling of "here we go again...". The fact that you fight both Ghirahim and the Imprisoned three times during the main quest (not even counting the Boss Rush) comes across as laziness on Nintendo's part.
I also would have liked to see a larger variety of enemies. The enemies in SS had excellent AI, and most of the enemies had a number of ways that they could be defeated. For example, with a Deku Baba, I believe there are seven different ways that you could dispatch of it. But like I said, it's a little annoying seeing the same enemies over and over again, but with a new color. Bokoblins, so many Bokoblins! Some of the enemies just look ridiculous. The Bokoblins and the Moblins especially. When you ask Fi about the Bokoblins, she'll mention something about their obsession with exotic undergarments or something. WTF? Why is that in the game? Same with the Moblins and their damn thong underwear. This same kinda thing was in TP, with the monkeys and their butt slapping stuff in the Forest Temple. Seriously, WTF Nintendo? I'm not sure if it's supposed to be funny, or cute, but I don't find it to be either. It comes across as childish.
Also not a big fan of Fi. It was nice that she gave information on enemies, unlike Midna, and I liked the fact that she told you how many of a specific monster that you've fought, and would give you a battle performance rating. Oh, and she was kind of a cool dancer. What I didn't like was just about everything else. :lol Like Mr. Ister mentioned, she points out the obvious way too often. The most memorable example of this is in the Sandship, as you walk by the boss door. She forcibly interrupts the game to tell you that it's possible that something of great importance lies beyond that door. With this being the fifth dungeon of the game, and this door looking like all of the other boss doors, who the hell hadn't figured that out yet?! I initially thought that the options for "Analysis" and "Advice" were cool, but I soon realized that those options are really pointless.
A small, kind of weird complaint about SS is that most of the shields, aside from the Hylian Shield, and the fully upgraded Sacred Shield, were really ugly. Yeah, I know that's a weird complaint, but whatever. Also, some of the male characters have really odd (ugly) appearances. I've noticed that it's a trend in Zelda to have really weird, ugly looking male characters, and for the most part, attractive female ones.
I also thought it was kind of lame that there was no way to traverse between the Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru Provinces without returning to the Sky.
It's kind of funny though, when I play through SS, even though I always notice the flaws, I am always having a great time.
One of my favorite things about SS is of course the 1:1 swordplay. Don't have much more to say about that, it's just awesome. Also, I know I am in the minority, but I actually like the beginning of SS. I thought Zelda was the best (and cutest) Zelda yet. Never before had I cared so much about saving her.
Even though I criticized the enemy variety earlier, some of the enemies are awesome. The Lizalfos, Stalfos, Staaldra, and Beamos are a few favorites. With the advanced swordplay in SS, I was glad to see more boss and mini-boss battles that were essentially sword fights. Namely, Stalmaster, Scervo, and Ghirahim.
About Ghirahim, I know I was critical of having to fight him three times, but I still thought he was awesome. The cutscene where he attacks Zelda and Impa at the Temple of Time, is one of my favorites in the game. I thought the cutscenes were pretty badass overall, actually.
I also really liked the bug and treasure collecting, although I didn't like getting a reminder every time I got one after restarting the game. It was also nice that rupees played a bigger part in the game this time, and you were also able to collect tons of them. One thing that's annoying about OoT is that it seems like your wallet is almost always full. At some point, I'm going to fill up my Tycoon wallet on my 100% save file with 10,000 rupees, just for the hell of it.
SS is also the funniest Zelda game to date, imo, largely due to Groose. Music was awesome too. Groose's Theme and Mogma's Theme ftw.
Hero Mode is fun, but not a must-play. There's nothing different other than 1. You take double the damage 2. Hearts don't appear unless you carry the Heart Medal, but even then, they are few and far between 3. You can skip some cutscenes and 4. You retain all of the bugs and treasure left over from your previous game. It's really lame that there's no option to play Hero Mode without playing on Regualr Mode first.
I actually liked the scene where Fi says goodbye, I found it very moving. I thought the ending was amazing. Anyway, that's enough about SS. Let's talk Twilight Princess. As far as both Impa's in the same time frame, never thought about that, I'll get back to you.
Well, like I said, I love TP as well, and like it about as much as SS. I love the realistic graphic style, however I wish there was a brighter color scheme. It seems like the predominant tones in the game are brown and orange. I also thought the overworld was way too empty. Although, it looked wonderful. I really liked the lantern caves. They definitely add to the sense of creepiness that Mr. Ister was talking about. I'd like to see them return, or better yet, expanded upon in Zelda Wii U. The hidden skills are awesome, although I thought the howling that you had to do to learn the skill was lame.
One area where TP definitely excelled in is its presentation. Hyrule Castle was perfectly done in the ambiance category, just wish it would have been a little larger, and more difficult.
One of my main gripes with TP is that it's just too darn easy. Most of the boss fights are like "oh, okay, it's dying already...". Even Zant and Ganondorf are pretty easy, especially if you've acquired all of the Hidden Skills. The enemies, while they looked awesome, had very little depth, and could usually be dispatched with a few wild swings of the Wii remote. Even if they did hit you, they didn't do much damage. Far too many enemies deal only a 1/4 heart of damage. The Darknuts were awesome though. Maybe the best Zelda enemy.
It was great being able to use Epona, and the horseback battles were awesome, but a lot of times, due to bridges being out, and the presence of fences, it was more practical to just warp with Midna.
I also didn't care for the parts early where you are forced to be a wolf. It's so much better later in the game, after you've gotten the Master Sword, where it's more like, "hey, I get to be in wolf form here"!
Ganondorf also appears way too late. In SS, Demise is slowly built up throughout the game, so when he finally is resurrected, you know it's a big deal. But in TP, it's like "Oh, by the way, here's Ganondorf". Also, I didn't like how Zant went all bat-shit crazy at the end. Throughout the game he came across as mysterious and evil, but then at the end it turns out he's actually more possessed and clumsily random.
There's also a few items in TP that have very little purpose, at least outside of the dungeon you receive them in. Tell me, what is the Slingshot good for after you receive the Bow? Also the Spinner, Ball & Chain, and Dominion Rod all have very limited use outside of their respective dungeons.
As a sidebar (not that I haven't taken plenty of those already), maybe it's just a personal thing, but I didn't care for City in the Sky one bit. That place just felt like a chore. Also, Ilia and Telma were annoying characters.
Midna was awesome though. I agree that it felt like she was actually there with you. The way Link's relationship with her grew throughout the game was really cool. I only wish that she would have given you info in the enemies, I can't believe they didn't include this feature. The best way I've heard the Midna vs. Fi debate summarized is like this: Midna is a character, Fi is an item.
Like all other Zelda fans, I'm stoked for Zelda Wii U. I want to see a graphic style similar to that of the Wii U Tech Demo. I disagree with Mr. Ister that a realistic graphic style would be bad for the franchise. TP had the most realistic looking graphics in any Zelda game to date, and it's also the highest selling. I feel that if the big N decides to give Zelda Wii U a more cartoony graphic style like that of Wind Waker it will further alienate hardcore gamers from the Zelda franchise. I'd love to see a blend of TP and SS's graphics. Give me the bright colors of SS, but with the realistic look of TP.
I was going to talk about why I love LttP so much, but I've been working on this for over an hour now so... :lol
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The problem is that the Wii U and its current games suck so hard that Zelda Wii U is going to be a $400+ purchase for me. :lol
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A Link To The Past was my first Zelda game so that's probably why I remember it so fondly.
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Same here. I haven't played the Wind Waker, but even the draw of that isn't enough for me to buy a Wii U until Zelda Wii U comes out.
And, as far as why I love LttP, it just a perfect game to me. There's immense opportunity for exploration, unlike most recent Zelda games. The Light World concept is great and original. The game gives you a great sense of being all alone with everything out to kill you. I remember the first time arriving in the Dark World, standing atop the Pyramid of Power, it was such a desolate feeling. There's also a very good and fair challenge to the game, along with an immense variety of enemies. The game has amazing graphics, for it's time. The colors are so bright and vivid. It's also really cool that you can do the Dark World dungeons pretty much any order you want. The older games were much less linear, and allowed you actually explore. Fortunately, Aunoma has said that he wants to make Zelda Wii U less linear than previous games, so I'm holding out some hope.
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Funny thing about Twilight Princess. . .
The first Time I played it was on Wii - me and my bro took turns to do castles. . .
Then the next time I played it was on my Gamecube and I couldn't work out why nothing was where I remembered it :lol
I read online that the Gamecube version is a mirror image of the Wii version so what was on the left on Wii is now on the right on Gamecube.
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:lol
Yeah, I've only played it on the Wii. I could only imagine that trying to play it on the GC would be a little disorienting.
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I've tried to find a gamecube copy of TP online but it's always like O_O HOW MUCH ?!
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Interesting, I wouldn't have thought it would be pricey or rare. Twilight Princess on GC has a certain appeal to me because Link is left-handed. As a lefty myself, I've always liked the fact that Link was a lefty. Of course, that changed for TP on the Wii. I understand why they did that, but it doesn't seem like it would have been that hard to allow you to choose whether you want to play right or left-handed.
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Technically, TP is a gamecube game, and ported for the Wii. So Link being left-handed in TP is the "official" way it is.
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Yeah, the GC version of Twilight Princess is actually the way Hyrule's meant to look. Hell, I've read that even the Hylian language on the signs is backwards on the Wii version. :lol
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What is it that makes ALTTP such a beloved game? It's classic Zelda, but that's about it. Its basic elements are present in nearly every other game.
I will say that I've been very impressed with SS's graphics, to the above post which complained about them. Best of the series, IMO. Very pretty overworld.
The graphics themselves are pretty terrible IMO. The people that do the dolphin emulation got it to look much better, and so did some folks on youtube with just a simple anti-aliasing filter.
This would have looked bad in the original Banjo-Kazooie, but feast your eyes on what a Zelda game from 2011 looks like:
(https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/wiki-api.ign.com/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/5/53/Sword_4656.jpg)
I get the idea behind going for a water color style, but it doesn't excuse the fact that everything looks like garbage from far away, and many things look bad up close as well. If we are going to dig into the style as well, it doesn't help that Skyward Sword had the worst boss designs in the series. Demise looked good, and Moldarach, but a simple scorpion isn't really all that inspired either. For some reason we got two bosses that look like Mike from Monsters Inc. and a terrible design in the Imprisoned that we have to fight three times, each one goofier looking than the last.
When it comes to A Link to the Past, I doubt there is anything I can bring up that hasn't already been discussed, I just really love the game. As noted earlier, many of the staples of the franchise originated in that game, including a giant chunk of the music. It took what the first game did well and perfected it, added a more intriguing story line and a better art style, and added a diversity in weapons and items that hadn't been seen up until that point. Some Zeldas have done this since then, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that any of them did it better.
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The graphics themselves are pretty terrible IMO. The people that do the dolphin emulation got it to look much better, and so did some folks on youtube with just a simple anti-aliasing filter.
I get the idea behind going for a water color style, but it doesn't excuse the fact that everything looks like garbage from far away, and many things look bad up close as well.
So I'm not the only one who sees it. I was just trying to explain this in the regular video game thread two days ago. Though you're right. Water-color is a better description. I kept going with pastel for some reason.
So yeah, was never much of a "graphics whore" so to speak, but Skyward Sword looked awful.
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The picture that zepp-head posted makes things look worse than they actually are. If you play it on a nice TV, and use component cables, the game looks a lot better than that. With that said, I agree that the graphics are weak. I began playing Skyward Sword the very next day after beating Twilight Princess, and I couldn't believe that I was seeing graphics that were of lower quality than TP.
Anyone ever do any challenge runs for any of the games? I've completed Link to the Past on a Minimalist run a few times, fewest deaths is 18, and done a 3 heart run of Ocarina of Time, dying once.
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The graphics themselves are pretty terrible IMO. The people that do the dolphin emulation got it to look much better, and so did some folks on youtube with just a simple anti-aliasing filter.
I get the idea behind going for a water color style, but it doesn't excuse the fact that everything looks like garbage from far away, and many things look bad up close as well.
So I'm not the only one who sees it. I was just trying to explain this in the regular video game thread two days ago. Though you're right. Water-color is a better description. I kept going with pastel for some reason.
So yeah, was never much of a "graphics whore" so to speak, but Skyward Sword looked awful.
Likewise. Graphics don't make or break a game for me, but in that department and several others, being that far behind the curve really hit a note with me this time around. I don't feel there were enough great things about the game to really make up for it either.
The picture that zepp-head posted makes things look worse than they actually are. If you play it on a nice TV, and use component cables, the game looks a lot better than that. With that said, I agree that the graphics are weak. I began playing Skyward Sword the very next day after beating Twilight Princess, and I couldn't believe that I was seeing graphics that were of lower quality than TP.
Anyone ever do any challenge runs for any of the games? I've completed Link to the Past on a Minimalist run a few times, fewest deaths is 18, and done a 3 heart run of Ocarina of Time, dying once.
It's a bad image to be sure, but not necessarily a deceiving one either. I play on a really nice TV with component cables and it's still pretty rough. I remember a few months back I was trying out the new TV so I watched a couple of my favorite movie scenes on blu-ray, then I decided to play Skyward Sword. It was the worst transition in the history of vision. Twilight Princess wasn't the best looking game when it came out either, but it has held up better and was never really a detriment to the game itself. I'm still a little befuddled as to why the crew took so many steps backward in Skyward Sword.
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That picture makes the game look way worse than it actually is. Resolution and texture are much better when you're actually playing it.
Comparing TP's graphic to SS's is tricky. While most may prefer the graphical style of TP, resolution is actually pretty terrible when you get close up to objects. They look blocky and grainy. SS is a lot smoother.
Obviously SS could be better and completely pales in comparison to games on the Xbox and PS3, but for a Wii game it's not too shabby.
Anyone ever do any challenge runs for any of the games? I've completed Link to the Past on a Minimalist run a few times, fewest deaths is 18, and done a 3 heart run of Ocarina of Time, dying once.
Yeah I've done lots of those. I typically play the games on two run-thrus, first to 100% completion, second on a 3-heart minimalist run.
Oh why not, I'll just list off the 3-heart runs I've done:
1. A Link to the Past - IIRC, you have to pick up the heart containers from boss battles in order to get the key items. Still, very difficult especially if you want 0 deaths. Bosses and enemies can easily kill you in 1 or 2 hits. And since you don't have that many invincibility frames after getting hit, you're finished if you get trapped in a corner.
2. Link's Awakening - Not that bad. AI is predictable and generally easy.
3. Ocarina of Time - Medium difficulty. Some bosses may give you a hard time, and Ganondorf/Ganon can kill you in one shot. But it's not so bad. For a real challenge, check out the Uber-Challenge. (https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/197771-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/39133163)
4. Majora's Mask - Boss battles are pretty tough, particularly Gyorg and Majora. Without the FD's mask and only 3 hearts, Majora is a huge pain. You basically have to use all your transformation masks in all the right ways. Chateau Romani is a must for that fight.
5. The Minish Cap - a bit difficult during the final fight. Fortunately, hearts are easily found in pots and bushes.
Not too bad.
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Yes it was a bad image, but it's not unlikely that someone running on regular settings would run into a shot that looks that bad. It's not an exaggeration of what things look like from far away.
However, maybe this image is a little more fair:
(https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Skyward-Sword-Screenshot-e1316548118939.jpg)
You can see how the backgrounds look, and the effect still looks unintentional, while Link is clear. I was never a fan of this model of Link, and thankfully they are using the Twilight Princess model in Smash Bros. again instead of this one.
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Yes it was a bad image, but it's not unlikely that someone running on regular settings would run into a shot that looks that bad. It's not an exaggeration of what things look like from far away.
However, maybe this image is a little more fair:
(https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Skyward-Sword-Screenshot-e1316548118939.jpg)
You can see how the backgrounds look, and the effect still looks unintentional, while Link is clear. I was never a fan of this model of Link, and thankfully they are using the Twilight Princess model in Smash Bros. again instead of this one.
I've heard people speculating this, and agree but this is probably pretty likely, but you state that as it's a fact. Have you heard this officially announced. Btw, I really like how Smash Bros. Wii U Link looks.
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I also like his look. It hasn't been announced, nor will it likely ever be. However, doing comparisons between Wii U Link and every other model, it becomes clear. Little decals on the shield give it away, plus he can also be seen using the Twilight Princess models of the bombs and the bow.
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Was home with a migraine all day and played quite a bit of Ocarina of Time (had started a new file a few days ago). Beat Jabu Jabu's belly in 20 minutes flat - couldn't believe it. That damn place used to take me so long. Guess that's what happens on your 7th-ish playthrough.
This game is so great though.
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https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/22/the-legend-of-zelda-wind-waker-hd-offers-a-definitive-experience
Glad they did more than just improve the graphics it sounds like they've made a great game even better.
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Not sure if this is off topic but make sure you guys vote for Link in the www.gamefaqs.com character battle!
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I just beat Ancient Cistern, and I have to say, what a great dungeon that was! Typically the water dungeons are tedious and just a chore to get through, but not so with this one. Great atmosphere, great music, great dungeon item. And, of course, the boss fight was incredible. I've beaten every single Zelda game at least twice, and I can say that Koloktos is a top 5 Zelda boss.
With every boss, I've been a heart close to death. I love this feeling of being on edge around bosses, which was lost after Majora's Mask. Can't wait for the next dungeon. The game is really getting interesting.
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Ancient Cistern is one of the best dungeons in Skyward Sword. My favorite though is the one that comes after it. As for Koloktos he's pretty good, but the bosses in that game are kinda disappointing imo.
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I think Koloktos is awesome and probably my favorite in the game.
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I just beat Ancient Cistern, and I have to say, what a great dungeon that was! Typically the water dungeons are tedious and just a chore to get through, but not so with this one. Great atmosphere, great music, great dungeon item. And, of course, the boss fight was incredible. I've beaten every single Zelda game at least twice, and I can say that Koloktos is a top 5 Zelda boss.
With every boss, I've been a heart close to death. I love this feeling of being on edge around bosses, which was lost after Majora's Mask. Can't wait for the next dungeon. The game is really getting interesting.
I thought the water temple on TP was less infuriating than OOT but still really easy to get lost and not have any idea what to do next...
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I've never had a huge problem with the dreaded Water Temples. I think they can be unnecessarily challenging at times, but not the product of an evil, masochistic developer.
You guys who do those 3-Heart challenges and stuff like that have way more gaming skills (and time) than I'll ever have.
Playing through Link's Awakening now for the first time. (never owned a handheld console). Having a hard time geting in to it, but also having a hard time finding time to play it.
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The water temples are not difficult puzzle-wise. They're frustrating because the water-changing gimmick means that you have to visit each room of the temple a few times, or more if you don't know what you're doing. So they're tedious, not hard.
Link's Awakening was great for it's time, but it hasn't aged well for me. IMO, the Oracles are superior (as well as The Minish Cap).
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Yeah they're REALLY tedious.
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I submit to you Jabu Jabu's Belly from Oracle of Ages. It's worse than the Water temple from OOT. It's easily the most migraine-inducing dungeon I've ever played...and I've played them all (except for the ones I have left in Skyward Sword). Only the NES dungeons are harder in difficulty, but at least they're fun. Jabu Jabu's Belly blows and it takes forever.
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I'm about to start the OoT Water Temple in my current playthrough. Interested to see how it goes, though I've played through the game 5-10 times so theoretically it won't be awful. The Lakebed Temple in TP was surprisingly frustrating too, you guys are right.
I have probably beaten Link's Awakening 10+ times in my life. It was one of the first videogames I ever got and played it a lot as a kid. I think just by the nature of it being a handheld, it'll never have the same emotional pull as the more modern systems did.
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Just don't forget that one key. And that other key.
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Got the Wind Waker HD today. But golly gee, where's the Ganondorf action figure? You know, the only reason I bought this stupid thing? Oh, what's that, Gamestop? I had to preorder specifically the collector's edition the first day I could? And you didn't specify this when I asked about it weeks ago? And now I'm stuck with a $60 paperweight of a game I've already played the shit out of and have no intention of ever playing again? Well fuck you then! :censored
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So yeah, playing Ocarina of Time for the first time on 3DS.
Gotta say, it's taking some getting used to this whole "there's no yellow arrow pointing you to every objective" thing.
Yeah, Navi tells me the general vicinity of where I'm supposed to go, but then I get there and the guy's like "hey, I'm sad, where's my daughter?", and I'm like "I dunno pls Navi tell me!"
But it's fun.
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Guy missing his daughter? I know of a little girl whose dad is missing (Malon missing Talon), but I don't recall the scenario you're describing.
In other news, A Link Between Worlds actually looks like quite a bit of fun. Too bad I'm not willing to shell out for the 3DS.
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In other news, A Link Between Worlds actually looks like quite a bit of fun. Too bad I'm not willing to shell out for the 3DS.
As a Zelda fan, I feel morally obligated to get a 3DS just to play this game. It will surely be great. Zelda's track record is incredible.
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I picked up a 3DS XL yesterday so I would be able to play A Link Between Worlds. The new game mechanics are intriguing and A Link to the Past is my favorite game of all time so I'd be a fool to think I wouldn't be picking it up eventually.
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Guy missing his daughter? I know of a little girl whose dad is missing (Malon missing Talon), but I don't recall the scenario you're describing.
In other news, A Link Between Worlds actually looks like quite a bit of fun. Too bad I'm not willing to shell out for the 3DS.
Jabu Jabu dude.
I figured it out though haha
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I also recently bought a 3DS so that I'd be able to play a Link Between Worlds. Playing The latest Mario & Luigi RPG & The Final Fantasy Music game to hold me over.
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https://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/the_legend_of_zelda_is_classist_sexist_and_racist/
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Link, and male protagonists in general, usually get themselves out of the situation. And that ability to overcome obstacles is integral to their development as heroic characters.
Actually, it is integral to continuing the game. I imagine a game in which you could never overcome obstacles would not sell very well.
given widespread yearning by industrialized human populations for a recently abandoned, romanticized pastoralism.
Yes I certainly wish I had to get up at 400am to milk my cows instead of buying milk from the store.
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https://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/the_legend_of_zelda_is_classist_sexist_and_racist/
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https://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/the_legend_of_zelda_is_classist_sexist_and_racist/
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My hypothesis: she's stuck in the Water Temple and needed to vent some frustration.
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That's awesome. :lol Ohhh boy...people give too many shits.
I cannot WAIT until LBW!! Jesus fuck, I've got FFXIV taking over my life...about to have Pokemons all over the hizzy, and now LBW comes out soon...FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
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I know it's a waste of my time, but I wanted to make a couple points about that article.
On the issue of racism, the article suggests that all dark-skinned characters are portrayed as criminals while all white characters are portrayed as upstanding, law-abiding citizens. So let's examine the behavior of our superheroic white male, Link. Well, first of all he's a lazy jerk who might very well have slept through the entire game if not for the timely arrival of his fairy alarm clock. Second of all, he's guilty of multiple counts of vandalism and theft. He pushes people’s gravestones around, practices sword techniques on posted signs, breaks into people’s houses to smash all their pots and steal all their rupees, fucks up windmills just for the hell of it, and sneaks into castles to spy on people and shoot paintings with a slingshot. He is, in short, a tremendous asshole. Not exactly a portrait of moral goodness. I mean, come on - this little brat goes to a fishing pond and attempts to steal the proprietor's hat!
On the issue of sexism, the article points to the examples of Ruto and Zelda, suggesting that they are portrayed as weak female damsel-in-distress clichés. Fair enough. What about Din, Farore, and Nayru? They were women, too, and they created the fucking world. As far as acts of heroism go, I don’t think any of the male characters can top that one.
Also, the article mentions something about the way the game treats animals. I’d just like to point out that if you mistreat animals in OoT, you end up getting mauled to death by a bunch of invincible flying chickens.
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And what about Midna - she's a princess and basically helps you out for the entirety of TP.
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:lol Jaffa, that was amazing.
Yeah, that article is completely baseless. Zelda is classist because one particular wealthy family succumbed to greed? Uh, OK. Because the carpenters are accused of being lazy by their boss? Uh, OK.
Zelda is racist because the whites are good and the blacks are bad? That's not even true - the Gerudo are your allies, and Nabooru is a sage. The only evil colored humanoid in all of Hyrule has green skin, so joke's on you.
And Zelda is sexist? Well, let's see. The majority of the powerful sages are female, your "damsel in distress" is capable of VERY powerful magic and can become a ninja warrior at will, the creators of the world are goddesses (as Jaffa pointed out), and the toughest crowd in Hyrule are the Amazonian Gerudo. And, AND you have Link, who is such a girly man that 90% of his cosplayers are female.
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Zelda is racist because the whites are good and the blacks are bad? That's not even true - the Gerudo are your allies, and Nabooru is a sage.
Yeah, I was going to point this out, too. If anything, the idea that all the dark-skinned characters are evil shows a racial bias on the part of the person who wrote the article, not the people who made the game.
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And Zelda is sexist? Well, let's see. The majority of the powerful sages are female, your "damsel in distress" is capable of VERY powerful magic and can become a ninja warrior at will, the creators of the world are goddesses (as Jaffa pointed out), and the toughest crowd in Hyrule are the Amazonian Gerudo. And, AND you have Link, who is such a girly man that 90% of his cosplayers are female.
Actually that's a pretty common misconception as far as strong female characters vs. female strong characters, but you are technically right.
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And Zelda is sexist? Well, let's see. The majority of the powerful sages are female, your "damsel in distress" is capable of VERY powerful magic and can become a ninja warrior at will, the creators of the world are goddesses (as Jaffa pointed out), and the toughest crowd in Hyrule are the Amazonian Gerudo. And, AND you have Link, who is such a girly man that 90% of his cosplayers are female.
Actually that's a pretty common misconception as far as strong female characters vs. female strong characters, but you are technically right.
I am re-reading this sentence over and over again and it doesn't make sense to me. Can you reword it or explain the misconception I have of female characters?
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And Zelda is sexist? Well, let's see. The majority of the powerful sages are female, your "damsel in distress" is capable of VERY powerful magic and can become a ninja warrior at will, the creators of the world are goddesses (as Jaffa pointed out), and the toughest crowd in Hyrule are the Amazonian Gerudo. And, AND you have Link, who is such a girly man that 90% of his cosplayers are female.
Actually that's a pretty common misconception as far as strong female characters vs. female strong characters, but you are technically right.
I am re-reading this sentence over and over again and it doesn't make sense to me. Can you reword it or explain the misconception I have of female characters?
https://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/18/why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/
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Pretty sure the article is a joke.
But even if it's not, it still doesn't bother me. Zelda's always followed the kinda classic, archeatypical fantasy story. Of course it's going to take place in a feudalistic type setting where workers get spat upon and men rule the world.
I don't mind the website pointing those things out. They're good points. We shouldn't be so defensive about it. I'd be interested to see a more contemporary Zelda that brakes those molds.
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So guys, ALBW is coming out tomorrow in America and I think some other places. Yeah.
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And what about Midna - she's a princess and basically helps you out for the entirety of TP.
What about queen ambi.
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Been waiting for a good top-down Zelda game for years. Probably won't be able to pick this one up for a while though.
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Yeah, I gotta drop some serious dough that I seriously don't have just to get the 3DS to play it, so it'll be a while for me.
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Yeah, I gotta drop some serious dough that I seriously don't have just to get the 3DS to play it, so it'll be a while for me.
Well, there are MANY great games on the 3DS. So, I doubt you'd wind up just playing that.
But yeah, with the holidays around the corner, I'm gonna have to pick and chose and this will probably wait so that I can buy Mario 3D World instead.
Plus, just beat OoT on 3DS, and want to play Wind Waker HD next.
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DOWNLOADING ALBW NOW WOOOOOOOOOOOOT
I am so fucking excited for this and I forgot about it till just now. I get home from work, see a review, get on the eShop and WHOOOOOAAAAAA it's actually released at midnight. I really did not think it'd be on time. Awesome fucking blossom. This game looks amazing and from all accounts I've heard thus far, it is and more.
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So this game is incredible; absolutely, beautifully innovative. This is what Nintendo is to me. Recalling the past while making it fresh again and adding new elements to give a twist to that twinge of nostalgia. It's awesome to know that I'll have that (little less of a) surprise of another world too, once I'm finished with the 'light'. I'm about to enter the second dungeon and thus far I'm playing it as if I were playing ALTTP, same dungeon set-up. But it's cool to know I could do whichever one I'd like. I might have to do that on a second playthrough. But thus far the vivid, colorful world is rendered beautifully in 3D and it's really a testament that Nintendo knows how to use their product best; the 3D is used ingeniously and is subtle enough so that people who are sensitive won't be bothered by it. But this is a game where the 3D is clearly integrated into the gameplay...in a really good way. :tup :tup :tup :heart :heart :heart
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This will have to wait for Christmas for me... I got Mario 3D World isntead.
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I might snag the bundle on black friday.
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:laugh: :P I friggin love this game. It's the little intricacies like this that make it so wonderful to play. Useless things. But wonderful. Just beat my second dungeon. Love the mechanics of the game, and I thought I'd miss opening up that big treasure chest to reveal the prize; but it's very fluid and thus far I've gotten stuck more than a few times in a puzzle.
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Target had the Zelda/3DS XL bundle today for $150. Missed it...rats!
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Tio, how's ALBW going? How's it compare to other games? I heard the difficulty is pretty good and it's not as simple as more recent titles. Enemies doing four hearts and whatnot.
I recently beat Spirit Tracks and I'm almost done with Phantom Hourglass. Spirit Tracks was a solid game through-and-through. Touch controls are perfect, the dungeons and items are cool, the bosses are some of the best I've seen in a Zelda game. Soundtrack is awesome too. The only thing was that train travel got pretty tedious, even with the warping. I did not like the rabbit collecting or transporting passengers sidequests at all. But overall a fun pick-up-and-play kind of game.
Phantom Hourglass is better in ways but worse in others. For starters, it's a little more difficult. Phantom Hourglass gives you The Temple of the Ocean King, the archery minigame, and a ton more collectibles than Spirit Tracks. The dungeons and their puzzles were very clever and made you think outside the box.
Problem is, most of the things to do in the game aren't rewarding. The extra ship parts (and the treasure charts needed to get them) don't do anything for you. (Though the flaming sword is cool.) Also, the soundtrack was extremely limited and annoying after a while. Every dungeon, cave, town, and wilderness area have the exact same repetitive track. Even the ocean theme gets old after a while.
The bosses are OK but nothing extraordinary. Even the final boss is just some generic eyeball squid monster. Very anticlimactic.
The highlight of the game for me was therefore the exposition. Getting used to touch controls, following clues and going on treasure hunts, discovering new islands. After that it started feeling like the same old stuff.
All I have left to do in the game is collect the remaining ship parts and pull up a few treasure chests. Not fun stuff at all. It's like looking for Chansey in the Safari Zone. But then I'll be done with the DS games and can turn my attention to the Oracles.
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Consensus on ALBW is that it's pretty legit. I can't wait to play it.
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I'm stuck in ALBW :lol (to give some perspective without spoiling anything, I'm on my fifth overall dungeon). Which I absolutely love, I haven't been stuck in a Zelda game since Majora's Mask. The puzzles are extremely creative, and the use of 3D is the best I've seen on the system by light years; it's truly incredible the ingenuity and innovation that went into this game. That said, I'm a little surprised how the touch-screen has taken a back seat to the 3D aspect as there has been very little use of it thus far. Now, for me that is actually a plus because I really hate having to pull the pen out while I'm playing, do whatever it is I'm doing with it, and then either awkwardly hang onto it whilst I play or put it back for later use. Either way, it was a nice surprise because I didn't even realize how little it was used thanks to the other innovations Ninty has come up with.
As for the difficulty, it is most certainly harkening back to the old-school days of the latter-game enemies taking away three/four hearts with a single blow (normal enemies, mind you). The bosses are even more difficult, but I haven't yet found myself becoming frustrated, it's merely how you can work in a strategy, not how often you can avoid their attacks or finding a simple pattern of attack yourself. I really love how puzzle-heavy this game is, but the adventure aspect is still at the forefront. Also, the fact that the overworld layout is largely based on ALTTP isn't a detriment in the slightest, and I feel that that this aspect was highly overblown. It's more like that they used the overworld of ALTTP's Hyrule as a stencil for this one; yes, the routes and layout is generally the same, but the world itself still feels fresh, changed, evolved. They've done a tremendous job of making it feel like time has passed and things are different, but you're still in the same old Hyrule.
Overall, this is perhaps going to turn out to be my favorite Zelda with how things are going now, and it is certainly already become my game of the year despite the fact that I don't think I'm even halfway through it. It's charming, gorgeous, innovative, immersive and so, so fun. The puzzles are really something else at times. It says a lot that I can still have a whole lot of fun while racking my brain on a puzzle without wanting to throw the 3DS against the wall. That's a very difficult balance to get, but Ninty seems to have perfected it. My expectations for this game were outrageous, and I had a lot of doubts about the whole reuse of the world thanks to the impressions given by some gaming sites before the release, but it has blown them out of the water somehow, and the further I get, the more fun I have. This is also the only game I've played aside from Super Mario 3D Land where it truly is better to play the game with the 3D on; it is without a doubt a needed, imperative feature of the game. They've proven ten fold that 3D is no gimmick, they've turned it into a main feature of the game in a very good way.
Oh and this game has the greatest, most nostalgia inducing homages out of any Zelda I've seen since Link's Awakening. I love that aspect, and it's the little things that give me that warm fuzzy feeling of being a kid again. Y'know...until I'm stumped on the next dungeon's puzzle... :hefdaddy
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This game is incredible. I'm doing a second run through in hero mode and it is TOUGH. The enemies doing quadruple damage really means business early on, when two hits from a rat scurrying on the ground mean you die and lose all your items.
I'm not happy with the use of the villain (yeah, him), but it's a minor complaint. This game deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as A Link to the Past, which is saying something because that is my favorite game of all time. It gives you the same sense of just not knowing what to do at times and presenting an actual challenge. Some of the boss fights require you to actually dodge attacks and some of the puzzles will really make you think.
This game is the anti-Skyward Sword in a lot of ways.
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About how many hours does it take to finally beat it?
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In other Zelda news, I never did get around to finishing Ocarina of Time - I'm currently set to do the Horseback Archery game at the Gerudo Fortress. I think I will be getting back to that very soon. On the side, I've recently been playing Minish Cap. Haven't played one yet that I didn't care for aside from Zelda II.
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I forgot to mention how amazing the music is. I'm definitely picking this OST up when it releases (it actually might already be out...hrm).
Yeah, the villain is definitely different; but anyone who's played...well, pretty much any other Zelda should know it has its quirky characters, and downright oddballs, even as the more prominent and important characters.
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I forgot to mention how amazing the music is. I'm definitely picking this OST up when it releases (it actually might already be out...hrm).
Yeah, the villain is definitely different; but anyone who's played...well, pretty much any other Zelda should know it has its quirky characters, and downright oddballs, even as the more prominent and important characters.
Yeah, I'm not huge on Yuga, but I was actually referencing the other villain. I'm not a fan of how he was treated (no dialogue or action, etc.).
Speaking of Yuga, why does the game call her a male when she is clearly female? ??? Even the laugh is clearly feminine.
About how many hours does it take to finally beat it?
On a first play through (regular difficulty) it's about 18-20 hours to 100%.
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Er...are you new to Japanese-created games, Zepp? :lol There's always girly looking men in any game created by a Japanese company. Hell, many women do the voice-overs for their male characters in tons of anime. Anyway, I haven't gotten far enough to know who the other villain is so thank you for being vague, although I'm pretty certain I know who it is given that...well, that I've played every other Zelda and know the routine by now. :P
But I doubt that they'd make the mistake of not knowing one of the antagonist's gender. :laugh: Maybe so though, that would be hilarious. Not gonna lie, I totally thought they went with a female antagonist and I loved it, I was pretty disappointed when I found out he was male. Even for a bishonen, that's pretty convincing, then again I remembered that this is indeed a game created by the Japanese and if it were a woman, there's precisely 96.8% chance that she'd have disgustingly over-sized breasts, so I can believe Yuga is an awkwardly pretty man who embraces his female features.
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Er...are you new to Japanese-created games, Zepp? :lol
Nay. It seems like at least with Ghirahim he was clearly a flamboyant man, whereas Yuga seems like a woman they decided should be a man later on. Good point on the boobs though. I think I would have much preferred a female in that role.
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Er...are you new to Japanese-created games, Zepp? :lol There's always girly looking men in any game created by a Japanese company. Hell, many women do the voice-overs for their male characters in tons of anime. Anyway, I haven't gotten far enough to know who the other villain is so thank you for being vague, although I'm pretty certain I know who it is given that...well, that I've played every other Zelda and know the routine by now. :P
But I doubt that they'd make the mistake of not knowing one of the antagonist's gender. :laugh: Maybe so though, that would be hilarious. Not gonna lie, I totally thought they went with a female antagonist and I loved it, I was pretty disappointed when I found out he was male. Even for a bishonen, that's pretty convincing, then again I remembered that this is indeed a game created by the Japanese and if it were a woman, there's precisely 96.8% chance that she'd have disgustingly over-sized breasts, so I can believe Yuga is an awkwardly pretty man who embraces his female features.
This time you might be surprised. ;)
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I got my games in the mail today. And A Link Between Worlds is FANTASTIC! Holy crap I'm loving this. They got the range of the sword-swing perfect. They got Link's running speed perfect. The mini-map on the bottom screen looks exactly like ALttP's but as you explore the overworld, you notice all these little changes. And the plot only takes 10 minutes to get started. It's everything I've wanted from a Zelda game for years.
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Ladies and jellyspoons, our new Zelda Wii U:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM9MGY2OL8o
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Didn't even know we had a Zelda discussuon thread here. :lol
That trailer looks simply stunning. I adored the art style of Skyward Sword and this seems to continue in that direction, though it looks even livelier. Alas, now we have to endure the shitstorm of comments from people calling it crap just because it isn't like Twilight Princess. :\
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Granted, I wouldn't mind another one like TP; I just wish they'd done it right the first time.
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I don't know what to think of that. I don't even know what that was.
I'm such an old man with video games. If anyone needs me, I'll just be playing OoT and TTP for eternity. :lol
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I haven't even played a Zelda game since Wind Waker. :lol
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So it's an open-world Zelda with beautiful cel-shaded graphics? Sign me up. A Link Between Worlds redeemed the top-down direction of the series for me after Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, so hopefully this can redeem the 3D series for me after Skyward Sword.
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I thought the same. I actually really enjoyed PH but I had trouble finishing ST. I'm replaying ALBW right now and having a blast after getting all my zelda parts wet with that trailer (wut). I'm ready for the WiiU Zelda bundle already, I know there's gonna be one... I just want it naaaooo.
Also, this is interesting (https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/11/e3-2014-the-legend-of-zelda-trailer-may-not-feature-link). I guess I could see that being Zelda in the trailer now that I've rewatched it a few times. But I'd love if that was also the design for Link, as odd as that may be. :lol He somehow looks kinda oldschool...she...it... I really hope Zelda looks more girlish and classically beautiful than that tomboy look though if it is her...then again she can turn into Sheik so... Either way, I'll play as a tranny Link for all I care, it looks awesome either way. It sure looks like Link to me though, and a really cool design at that. I mean, c'mon...classic 'starting outfit' for Link (ala older Wink Waker).
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I thought the same. I actually really enjoyed PH but I had trouble finishing ST. I'm replaying ALBW right now and having a blast after getting all my zelda parts wet with that trailer (wut). I'm ready for the WiiU Zelda bundle already, I know there's gonna be one... I just want it naaaooo.
Also, this is interesting (https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/11/e3-2014-the-legend-of-zelda-trailer-may-not-feature-link). I guess I could see that being Zelda in the trailer now that I've rewatched it a few times. But I'd love if that was also the design for Link, as odd as that may be. :lol He somehow looks kinda oldschool...she...it... I really hope Zelda looks more girlish and classically beautiful than that tomboy look though if it is her...then again she can turn into Sheik so... Either way, I'll play as a tranny Link for all I care, it looks awesome either way. It sure looks like Link to me though, and a really cool design at that. I mean, c'mon...classic 'starting outfit' for Link (ala older Wink Waker).
Actually, there's been speculation that this game might be set during the Great Flood in the WW timeline, thus meaning this character is someone who tries to be a new Hero (like TWW Link did) and fails or ends up with a bittersweet result. I could dig that. I'd actually rather play in this guy's new design the whole game than in Link's usual garb, tbh. Reminds me a bit of Princess Mononoke. :metal
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Thoughts on the trailer...
-That is Link. It fits with the other incarnations of Link that we've seen and bears no relation to any of Zelda's incarnations.
-Link could be a girl - a young teenage one, by the looks of it. I see Nintendo taking this step. Another possibility is that the player is allowed to choose Link's gender. I really would not mind either of these cases, but it's too soon to tell. Link is pretty feminine in all his incarnations.
-The new outfit may be permanent. Again, I don't see a problem with it. Every incarnation of Link is different, so why not change up the look? I doubt this is simply Link's garb before he gets the hero's tunic, because he already has the bow, bombs, sword and shield at this point. And it doesn't look anything like the other Zora tunics. The one feature that really catches my eye is the shawl hood that Link has over his head that he tosses aside when he he jumps off the horse...possibly another hint he is a she?
Anyway, the outfit reminds me of TWW Link:
(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091028101024/zelda/images/a/af/Link_Second_Quest_(The_Wind_Waker).png)
-Link has the sword and shield on his horse but not on his person. Maybe the bow is now his standard weapon, or maybe Link can only carry one weapon at a time (like ALBW) with Epona as an item hub? Anyway, I think showcasing the bow in this trailer tells us that the bow and that awesome mechanical arrow will play a very important role. I can imagine different arrows functioning as typical Zelda gadgets, like a "hookshot" arrow and a "bomb" arrow.
-Link is right-handed again...but no surprise here.
-Open world looks neat, glad we're back in the fields of Hyrule (or at least someplace similar). The camera seems really far away in the opening shot, but maybe it's just a cutscene.
-Regarding the timeline, where will it fit? The game visually fits into the Wind Waker arc, but it looks too bright to be the Great Flood, and as we know PH and ST already serve as the sequels to TWW. Hmm...I could see it as a third instantiation of TWW Link, when he discovers and clears out New Hyrule. My evidence for this would be the outfit, the Wind Waker art style, Link's approximate age, and that the landscape is Hyrule-esque.
Any thoughts?
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I've heard a theory that says it takes place during or before the Great Flood before WW, which would make sense considering the artistic similarities and the overworld here is extremely reminiscent of the Hyrule we got to see a small part of underwater at the end of WW.
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I have no thoughts on the timeline other than the fact that it does bring up a very strong atmosphere of the underwater Hyrule. Bright, vibrant, lush, and humongous. I really don't care about the timeline placement, Ninty has gotten that aspect (more or less) in line and they have a lot of freedom here now that it's been established. But I'm hoping it's somehow the Hyrule from TWW, I always had an immense desire to explore that landscape and it'd be awesome to see how it all went so wrong.
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All I know is that it makes me wish I had a WiiU.
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Not sure what to think of this. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. Certainly doesn't make me wish I had a WiiU, which has never crossed my mind. Nice to see action with the arrow, but I am pretty much over the horseback riding.
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I don't think the art style matters much in the timeline. The official timeline blows for using the omniverse theory as a cop-out anyway. I'm all for using multiverse time travel, but using arbitrary points at which a new timeline is created out of convenience in which Link doesn't succeed is just plain stupid, especially when you consider the fact that, in at least one point of Ocarina of Time, Link had to go back and forth to childhood and back. Therefore, he abandoned at least one time I'm in which Ganon could have grown stronger, as if Link was defeated. I can't believe that Nintendo never thought of this but some random YouTube commenter did.
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I'm getting to that point where I decide I want to try a Zelda game again. It happens every other year or so. Looking for recs, but keep in mind that I've absolutely hated Ocarina of Time every single time I've tried it. I don't know if it's just the overarching lore (in which case I'm probably just fucked and need to stop trying), or the auto-jumping, or the gameplay style of fetch-quests and logic puzzles, but something about OOT just pisses me right the fuck off. Also, maybe I'm just an idiot and not used to that type of game, but I feel like every time I've played a Zelda game in the past I've just been wandering around with both thumbs up my ass wondering where in the holy fuck to go. So, one of the more user-friendly, intuitive Zeldas would be nice, I think.
Hit me.
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If you don't like puzzles, then the Zelda series is probably not for you.
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I've heard a theory that says it takes place during or before the Great Flood before WW, which would make sense considering the artistic similarities and the overworld here is extremely reminiscent of the Hyrule we got to see a small part of underwater at the end of WW.
I've heard a theory that says it takes place during or before the Great Flood before WW, which would make sense considering the artistic similarities and the overworld here is extremely reminiscent of the Hyrule we got to see a small part of underwater at the end of WW.
I have no thoughts on the timeline other than the fact that it does bring up a very strong atmosphere of the underwater Hyrule. Bright, vibrant, lush, and humongous. I really don't care about the timeline placement, Ninty has gotten that aspect (more or less) in line and they have a lot of freedom here now that it's been established. But I'm hoping it's somehow the Hyrule from TWW, I always had an immense desire to explore that landscape and it'd be awesome to see how it all went so wrong.
Likewise, and with the recent re-release of The Wind Waker on the Wii-U, it feels right to go back to that timeline. I still need to save up my money to get myself a Wii-U! :lol :hefdaddy
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Do you know what a straight up, kick-to-the-nuts jaw dropping awesome moment it would be if they suddenly just revealed the title to be The Legend Of Zelda: The Great Flood. I'd cream myself. :lol I really like that idea, Tio. Guy tries to be the hero, and fails at the end with some kind of bittersweet ending, tying into the HD remake they released of Wind Waker earlier.
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I'm getting to that point where I decide I want to try a Zelda game again. It happens every other year or so. Looking for recs, but keep in mind that I've absolutely hated Ocarina of Time every single time I've tried it. I don't know if it's just the overarching lore (in which case I'm probably just fucked and need to stop trying), or the auto-jumping, or the gameplay style of fetch-quests and logic puzzles, but something about OOT just pisses me right the fuck off. Also, maybe I'm just an idiot and not used to that type of game, but I feel like every time I've played a Zelda game in the past I've just been wandering around with both thumbs up my ass wondering where in the holy fuck to go. So, one of the more user-friendly, intuitive Zeldas would be nice, I think.
Hit me.
I found OoT to be the easiest in regards to knowing what you're actually doing (of the 3D era, that is), with Navi and that damn owl rammed down your throat constantly (about the only thing I dislike about the game, but even that is in a "love to hate it" kind of way).
For later games, I've needed to look up walkthroughs at least occasionally. Or maybe I've just gotten more impatient with games in my old age. :lol
But yeah, if you couldn't get into OoT, I agree with Super Dude that Zelda is probably not for you.
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I still remember playing the first Zelda as a kid and not knowing where in the fuck I was supposed to go for anything so I just literally ran around randomly for ages until I eventually found something. Pre-internet gaming! :lol
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I found the post-N64 games to be far more user-friendly, actually.
Wind Waker might be a good choice... it's pretty easy and the dungeons aren't as complicated as the ones in the N64 games or Twilight Princess, but it's still really fun.
Or if you really want a simplified Zelda experience, you could try Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks.
Just whatever you do, don't do Majora's Mask. That's easily the least user-friendly 3D Zelda game, for pretty obvious reasons.
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I still remember playing the first Zelda as a kid and not knowing where in the fuck I was supposed to go for anything so I just literally ran around randomly for ages until I eventually found something. Pre-internet gaming! :lol
Back in our day, we had to learn shit the hard way! And if it took you too many lives to learn your lesson the hard way, then you had to learn the extra hard way.
Just whatever you do, don't do Majora's Mask. That's easily the least user-friendly 3D Zelda game, for pretty obvious reasons.
No matter how many times I have attempted to play that game, I've never even made it to the first dungeon before giving up.
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Just whatever you do, don't do Majora's Mask. That's easily the least user-friendly 3D Zelda game, for pretty obvious reasons.
I was able to get through it (with difficulty mind you) when I was but a kid, and I sure as hell didn't know how to use the Internet at the time either. :lol
Though I do agree that it is not "user-friendly", especially compared to other 3D Zelda games. It doesn't necessarily have the open-worldness of the first NES game or Link to the Past, but still feels a bit more free-form in what you can do, and the dungeons are some of the more challenging in the entirety of the franchise. It can be a pain in the ass, but once you got it, damn what a great experience. There's a reason it's my favorite game of all time.
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My first Zelda experiences were in very late 2003/early 2004 at the ripe old age of 5. For Christmas I received a platinum Gamecube which included the Zelda collector's edition. Since my parents had grown up with the original Zelda, they gravitated towards that. By the time I beat the game probably 5 years later (most of which was spent trying to get the damn recorder) I had accumulated the max amount of deaths that the front screen with count: 255. finding the dungeons was fairly easy after watching my dad play. Image to get up to Ganon but not beat him. I only ever used a walkthrough to get through death mountain.
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Original Legend Of Zelda and original Adventure Of Link on original NES.
I still hear the music inside my head thinking about those games. :hefdaddy
Greetings...
Nef
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I'm getting to that point where I decide I want to try a Zelda game again. It happens every other year or so. Looking for recs, but keep in mind that I've absolutely hated Ocarina of Time every single time I've tried it. I don't know if it's just the overarching lore (in which case I'm probably just fucked and need to stop trying), or the auto-jumping, or the gameplay style of fetch-quests and logic puzzles, but something about OOT just pisses me right the fuck off. Also, maybe I'm just an idiot and not used to that type of game, but I feel like every time I've played a Zelda game in the past I've just been wandering around with both thumbs up my ass wondering where in the holy fuck to go. So, one of the more user-friendly, intuitive Zeldas would be nice, I think.
Hit me.
I found OoT to be the easiest in regards to knowing what you're actually doing (of the 3D era, that is), with Navi and that damn owl rammed down your throat constantly (about the only thing I dislike about the game, but even that is in a "love to hate it" kind of way).
For later games, I've needed to look up walkthroughs at least occasionally. Or maybe I've just gotten more impatient with games in my old age. :lol
But yeah, if you couldn't get into OoT, I agree with Super Dude that Zelda is probably not for you.
Yep, there are many reasons - other than nostalgia - that OoT is still hailed as the greatest release in the series.
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I'm getting to that point where I decide I want to try a Zelda game again. It happens every other year or so. Looking for recs, but keep in mind that I've absolutely hated Ocarina of Time every single time I've tried it. I don't know if it's just the overarching lore (in which case I'm probably just fucked and need to stop trying), or the auto-jumping, or the gameplay style of fetch-quests and logic puzzles, but something about OOT just pisses me right the fuck off. Also, maybe I'm just an idiot and not used to that type of game, but I feel like every time I've played a Zelda game in the past I've just been wandering around with both thumbs up my ass wondering where in the holy fuck to go. So, one of the more user-friendly, intuitive Zeldas would be nice, I think.
Hit me.
I found OoT to be the easiest in regards to knowing what you're actually doing (of the 3D era, that is), with Navi and that damn owl rammed down your throat constantly (about the only thing I dislike about the game, but even that is in a "love to hate it" kind of way).
For later games, I've needed to look up walkthroughs at least occasionally. Or maybe I've just gotten more impatient with games in my old age. :lol
But yeah, if you couldn't get into OoT, I agree with Super Dude that Zelda is probably not for you.
There are definitely a few moments in OoT where you have to figure out a pretty random thing the game wants you to do, though, so I can see why someone would say that.
A Link Between Worlds was both extremely fun and very hand-holding, for so someone who's used to modern games that spell everything out for you, I totally recommend that.
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Okay, so Aonuma confirmed that the character in the trailer is indeed Link. So it looks like the Great Flood idea is out the window. While that's a shame, I still love Link's new design. I'd actually be disappointed if they end up going back to his traditional look. :lol
I wonder where the game is set in the timeline? :justjen
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But yeah, if you couldn't get into OoT, I agree with Super Dude that Zelda is probably not for you.
Strongly disagreed. My first Zelda game was Twilight Princess (essentially a more modern version of OoT in hindsight), and trying out OoT afterwards felt like a downgrade in pretty much every sense. Couldn't get into it at all.
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Good to get a confirmation that it's Link. I kinda figured it was some abstract, mostly meaningless comment; Aonuma likes to stir shit up with his philosophical comments on identity. :lol Awesome though, I love the look and am glad it's good 'ole Link. :smiley:
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But yeah, if you couldn't get into OoT, I agree with Super Dude that Zelda is probably not for you.
Strongly disagreed. My first Zelda game was Twilight Princess (essentially a more modern version of OoT in hindsight), and trying out OoT afterwards felt like a downgrade in pretty much every sense. Couldn't get into it at all.
I replayed OoT right after playing WW and TTP back to back, and I was worried it wouldn't hold up, but for me it still totally did. Didn't feel like a downgrade at all, except obviously in graphics. In terms of gameplay, it's actually a much better structured and planned game than WW and TTP.
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I'm kinda bummed about the Zelda U character not being Zelda herself; a small part of me hoped upon hope that Nintendo had finally noticed this:
https://imgur.com/gallery/DWnBO
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Oh god... to each their own, but that look pretty rancid to me. Especially that they included Gamelon in it... I like the attempt, but they've just taken bits from each Zelda game and other notable fantasy games, twisted them and mashed 'em up. There's nothing really innovative or actually new about it. People have been talking about playing as Zelda since the series started. Eh. I mean, I get the whole 'Zelda is the main character' aspect is what you were focusing on, and I'm up for that if done correctly, but the rest of it looked like fan-fiction to me. And I abhor fan-fiction... :lol Really.
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They should make a Legend Of Hilda spin-off where Hilda goes all action-girl and gets shit done in Lorule. :metal
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Oh god... to each their own, but that look pretty rancid to me. Especially that they included Gamelon in it... I like the attempt, but they've just taken bits from each Zelda game and other notable fantasy games, twisted them and mashed 'em up. There's nothing really innovative or actually new about it. People have been talking about playing as Zelda since the series started. Eh. I mean, I get the whole 'Zelda is the main character' aspect is what you were focusing on, and I'm up for that if done correctly, but the rest of it looked like fan-fiction to me. And I abhor fan-fiction... :lol Really.
Sure, but playing as a Sheikah!? That would be awesome!
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Okay, so Aonuma confirmed that the character in the trailer is indeed Link. So it looks like the Great Flood idea is out the window. While that's a shame, I still love Link's new design. I'd actually be disappointed if they end up going back to his traditional look. :lol
I wonder where the game is set in the timeline? :justjen
That massive retcon job; yeah, great question!
Did they ever fully explain that "Link" and "Zelda" are reborn as a different person? Or were these Links supposed to be one person's normal lifespan, just that it split off into three timelines? I feel they need to fix that, because Link is SS is a teen, but he de-ages in the other games and in the WW branch?
I won't ever give full credence to the timeline unless they make a massive game to fully flesh out the story. In a review I read for Twilight Princess, the person called it another re-imagining of the story. I have ran with that concept, as it's easier to me to view the continuity failures as such, despite the story and characters being virtually the same. I never viewed Zelda as a model of any solid story telling anyway.
All of the Nintendo franchises are not known for great stories, just fun and great design. Metroid is the best I feel story wise, and even that is all over the place.
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I'm sure most of you have probably already heard about this, but Majora's Mask was finally confirmed to be getting a remake on the 3DS next year! :metal :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj6cXziHpjQ
Can't wait! :tup
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I really need to start getting into 3DS stuff. A Link Between Worlds looks great, the OoT remake looks great, and I really should play MM again too, since I've only played through it the once back when it first released. Plenty of non-Zelda stuff on it aswell that I would probably be interested in no doubt.
I'm pretty far behind when it comes to gaming, infact I only just got around to playing and finishing Twilight Princess (originally released in 2006, holy shit :mehlin) and Skyward Sword back-to-back the last few months.
Twilight Princess was disappointing in pretty much every imaginable way. I enjoyed it enough to sink 22 hours and finish it but I can not rate it very highly at all. The world, the characters, the music all so disappointing, and that's just for starters. Easily the most underwhelming Ganondorf battle aswell, the first game notwithstanding. Don't even get me started. :lol
Skyward Sword had its own flaws, but overall it was a significantly better experience and much better game than Twilight Princess, even with the often forced motion controls.
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Wow, I enjoyed Twilight Princess way more than Skyward Sword. SS was far too linear.
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I haven't played SS (I don't know a Wii/Wii U), but Twilight Princess on GC is easily my second favourite behind OoT.
WW was very disappointing (even though I enjoyed it enough to finish it, as Bolsters was for TTP), and I always give up on MM pretty early on in the game, so I won't be bothering with the re-release.
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I really need to start getting into 3DS stuff. A Link Between Worlds looks great, the OoT remake looks great, and I really should play MM again too, since I've only played through it the once back when it first released. Plenty of non-Zelda stuff on it aswell that I would probably be interested in no doubt.
I'm pretty far behind when it comes to gaming, infact I only just got around to playing and finishing Twilight Princess (originally released in 2006, holy shit :mehlin) and Skyward Sword back-to-back the last few months.
Twilight Princess was disappointing in pretty much every imaginable way. I enjoyed it enough to sink 22 hours and finish it but I can not rate it very highly at all. The world, the characters, the music all so disappointing, and that's just for starters. Easily the most underwhelming Ganondorf battle aswell, the first game notwithstanding. Don't even get me started. :lol
Skyward Sword had its own flaws, but overall it was a significantly better experience and much better game than Twilight Princess, even with the often forced motion controls.
Weird, this is like the exact opposite about how I feel about them. To me TP took everything OOT did and improved upon it all. I thought the 4-phase Ganon fight at the end was very satisfying too. SS was wrought with hand-holding the entire time, Fi sucks a bunch, and the gameplay got very repetitive.
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Oh yeah, Fi was horrible. Also that just reminds how great Midna was, probably the best Zelda character ever.
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At first I thought Midna would be another Navi, but Midna was the non suck version of Navi.
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Plus she had a personality, and actual character development.
Not that that's in any way necessary for a Zelda game, but it was cool nonetheless.
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Tatl and the King of the Red Lions remain my two favorite 'guides' in the Zelda series. Both were interesting and developed characters, plus they're in my two favorite Zelda games, which add to my bias.
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Wow, I enjoyed Twilight Princess way more than Skyward Sword. SS was far too linear.
That is actually one of my major gripes about Twilight Princess. Specifically, the dungeons are just so linear to the point of ridiculousness. I only remember a single point in the entire game where I was in a dungeon and didn't know where to go (an underwater section where I missed a tunnel), and even then that only lasted mere seconds while I searched for where to go. The dungeons were designed in a way where there's really only one way to go through them and even if you've never played them before, it's not even easy to figure out, there's nothing to actually figure out at all. I didn't have to think at all, I just followed the linear path that existed in every dungeon pretty much instinctively. As soon as you get a key you would find a door to put it in, and as soon as you found a door and didn't have a key, you'd immediately get a key (often in the same room). The map for The Temple of Time is literally just a straight line, and Hyrule Castle was so straightforward and short, and easy, that it's probably the most disappointing final dungeon in the series.
Before I played TP, I went online to find out how long the game took to finish. Most people were saying their first time took 40+ hours, and not 100%. People who had played the game several times before could do it in 20-25 hours. It took me on my first time 22 hours. I got through it so fast on my first time I basically did it as fast as people who have played the game before and knew what to do. That's how little of a challenge the game was, and the straightforward dungeons are the most significant contributing factor to that because the dungeons seemed to be the primary focus of TP.
Skyward Sword's problem is that the world is small and disjointed, and that you backtrack through those areas several times. But despite that I liked the design of those areas more than the areas in TP, most of which felt pretty baron and empty, and the dungeon design, while still not particularly challenging, is so much better in SS.
Edit: decided to respond to this aswell.
I thought the 4-phase Ganon fight at the end was very satisfying too.
I'm the opposite. :lol The final battle with Ganondorf was another of my biggest disappointments with TP. The first phase is basically the same as the Ganondorf fight from OoT except it's much easier - you don't have to hit the magic balls back as much and they don't speed up as much as they do in OoT. It also didn't do anything new with the tennis game, other than the fact it's Zelda being controlled. The second phase with the beast Ganon wasn't much, basically just roll him over and hit the weak spot. The third phase with him on a horse wasn't exciting for me either, just seemed like an excuse to remind us that Link can swing his sword on Epona again. All you have to do is follow Ganondorf, let Zelda hit him with an arrow, then slash away. Ganondorf doesn't do anything to fight back during this phase that is dangerous or can't be easily avoided so it's essentially just padding to make the fight longer.
Then the fourth is of course the swordfight, but as you may have guessed, there was nothing I liked about that either. :lol It actually pissed me off that they reduced this final showdown to a quicktime event - just wait for Ganondorf to charge then press A, then buttom mash A until you push him back, swing a couple times then repeat. The game even shows you onscreen when to press A and then to quickly press A.
Also, the setting for this final showdown didn't feel right either. In OoT Link faced Ganondorf at the top of his castle with his organ all the stained glass, and then Ganon on the crumbled remains of said tower surrounded by fire with a black, stormy sky (all of which looked pretty good considering it's N64). In Wind Waker, we go toe-to-toe with Ganondorf atop what is left of Hyrule, below the sea as water rains down and floods the remains of the kingdom for eternity. In Twilight Princess our final fight against Ganondorf takes place...in the middle of a field? :\ Not very epic at all.
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In Twilight Princess our final fight against Ganondorf takes place...in the middle of a field? :\ Not very epic at all.
This is probably the only thing in your entire post that I disagree with. :lol While the fight itself (in terms of gameplay) wasn't much and I hated that they resorted to quick time events, they really nailed the atmosphere on this one. Wind Waker, no doubt, had a killer boss fight, but another fight in a castle would have felt a little overdone and not specifically anything out of the norm. The desolate landscape and the brooding storm--it really felt like shit was going down.
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I don't know if it's because I finished the last dungeon plus Ganondorf about 3 months after continuously playing the rest of the game, but I found really nothing about the last parts of Wind Waker very "epic" at all. Or really the whole game - wasn't designed to be "epic" in my opinion, just fun and generally light-hearted.
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As far as "epic" goes, the final battle of Wind Waker is second only to Ocarina of Time for me.
Ganondorf wanted revenge sure, but really all he cared about after his return was what he'd always wanted - control of Hyrule. Even with it trapped under the ocean to protect it from him, he still did his best to take control of it. Then at the last minute, it's snatched away from him and what little was left protected from the sea starts to flood, Hyrule being lost forever as a result. This was done by the last King of Hyrule no less, who would have rathered the forgotten kingdom be lost forever than let Ganondorf take it. So Ganondorf battles Link as this kingdom that Link fights to save in almost every other Zelda game is flooding and being destroyed, because what else can he do?
To me that's just :metal
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The Wind Waker definitely has an epic finale to it. Definitely my second favorite, as it features what is easily the best Ganondorf death in the franchise. SWORD TO THE FACE! :metal The Hero of Winds knows how to take someone down... with style. :hat
Surprising probably nobody though, the final battle of Majora's Mask is my personal favorite. It's so damn mysterious and haunting. There's an 'epic' vibe to it (I mean, it's the end of the world, how could it not?!), but it's more understated than Ocarina of Time or The Wind Waker. Plus that whole creepy dialogue about the Fierce Deity Mask... *shivers* :hefdaddy
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I am about 80% through Wind Waker. I still have about a third of the heart pieces left to collect, but will probably just go ahead and beat the game once I have 16 or 17 full containers. Won't try to complete this game 100% like I did with Majora's Mask.
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Beat Wind Waker last night. Really good game. Did anyone else find the triforce shard collecting at the end a little tedious?
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It's luckily no where near as bad as the original Gamecube version as it is on the Wii U, but I do feel it interrupts the flow of the game and just kind of comes off as the developers wanting to force you to explore all the islands they created. I'd rather have had another dungeon or two to recreate the Triforce of Courage myself.
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The worst part was having to pay a million rupees to get them all decoded. That was dumb. I didn't mind collecting them, I had already picked up a couple of the charts exploring by chance, so it didn't seem like a ton of work.
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All I can think about is Majora's Mask in 3D with all these awesome new features. New Mario and Zelda OOT are still the only games I ALWAYS play with 3D on. They're done perfectly so that I don't get a headache or eye aches and they really open the worlds up completely. AAAAHHHH!
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Beat Wind Waker last night. Really good game. Did anyone else find the triforce shard collecting at the end a little tedious?
Only pretty much everyone who has played it. :lol
After finishing Skyward Sword I was going to play Ages/Seasons because, while I owned and played both of them, I never finished either. But somehow I ended up replaying Link's Awakening for the first time in more than 15 years first. Some aspects of it haven't aged all that well (the lack of direction given to Link between dungeons is a little annoying to me today, even if it wasn't a problem back in the 90's, and the seashell hunt was a bit tedious), but I'm enjoying playing it again, more than I thought I would.
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I just started Twilight Princess and I've got to say, I love it so far. I'm through the Forest Temple.
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Been playing Majora's Mask and really loving it. I really wish I would have played it when it first came out, but I might not have really appreciated it as a kid.
I always had Ocarina as my favorite, but I think MM might be taking that spot just for how much cool unique stuff is going on.
How about you guys, what's your favorite Zelda and why?
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My personal favorite is Breath of the Wild. I love the minimalist soundtrack and how much of the music is solo piano. I love the avant-garde nature of the overworld music, how it's just a selection of piano snippets played at random with no sense of direction - it fits the vibe of the game perfectly. I love the art style, the puzzles, the way the game feels to control, the gyro aiming for bows, the vibrant colors, how there's as much vertical freedom and exploration as how far and wide you can travel, the memorable landscapes, everything about it is lovely to me. There are things I don't like, too, but the pros far outweigh the cons. Having 120 mini-dungeons with physics based puzzles was awesome. Some of them were really ingenious. I just love spending time in that world. As of right now I have 1000 hours logged on it.
Followed by Ocarina/Majora, then Link's Awakening.
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311 concert shirt just on sale now. So cool.
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We should all say our age when responding too, for perspective.
45. Favorite is A Link to the Past. Still a game I could pop in at any time, and it will feel fresh. That first playthrough when I beat Aghanim, and the Dark World appeared, and I realized I wasn't even close to finishing the game, blew my mind.
The original Legend of Zelda is probably next. I never owned the game, but my best friend at the time did, and I was over at his house a lot. (he had more games than me, a big screen TV, a swimming pool...). He played more than me, but just helping him navigate the dungeons was a joy. An amazing achievement that stands the test of time.
I am too tired to rank them beyond here. In terms of actual real-time enjoyment, I was so immersed in Ocarina of Time, as much as any game at any point in my life. I don't know if I would still feel that joy now, as I do with ALttP and LoZ. I said in the other thread I missed out on MM at the time, and when I finally got to it, I needed a guide in a couple spots.
I wish BotW had come out when I was in my 20s, living alone, and didn't do much outside the house in my spare time. I would have loved the experience in getting lost in that world, instead of playing it in bits and pieces as I had to in current married with children life.
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311 concert shirt just on sale now. So cool.
That's so funny. I spent the whole day today listening to 311 and playing Zelda :lol
And for age, I am 34 and my progression is as follows:
Started with Link to the past around age 6, sucked at it but really enjoyed it.
It didn't really click fully until Ocarina which utterly blew my mind around age 11. I was aware of Majora, but it passed me by at the time.
Then played Zelda 1 soon after and really enjoyed it. Then Zelda 2 and to this day, couldn't get more than 30mins in unfortunately.
It was up and down from there until Botw which got me back into the series, and now loving Majora's Mask with a dedicated playthrough for the first time.
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Get out! :lol
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I'm 31.
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Then Zelda 2 and to this day, couldn't get more than 30mins in unfortunately.
I remember my parents buying this for me; it was probably the only top tier NES game I got before by best friend at the time, who had a ton of games (and a wealthy family) and always got all the best games before anyone else. I felt so cool having him ask me to borrow my game, instead of the other way around. Getting started in that game coming off the original shook the brain cells a bit. Soon enough it still felt like a Zelda game (which may sound weird, considering there were only 2 at the time) and aside from a few challenges, was a fun game to get through. I played it again many years later and the nostalgia level was high, but if that wasn't there I can't say how much I would have enjoyed it.
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Just wanna throw out Skyward Sword, I only played it once through but it was another top tier Zelda for me along with the others mentioned.
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The Capcom gameboy games are my favourites, partially because I played those the most as a kid.
My most recent Zelda was the Switch version of Skyward Sword. But I lost interest in skyward Sword quite quickly. A bit straightforward and slow. Maybe I'll retry in the future but I doubt it is for me. Lovely style and atmosphere though. I felt the same about Twilight Princess on the Wii.
I guess I have always preferred the 2d Zelda games. Looking forward to checking out Link Between Worlds one of these days, I have heard it is very good.
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I hope Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD come to the Switch soon. That way we'll have almost every main Zelda game available. Admittedly, I only really want the Oracle games because those are two of my favorite Zelda games, and I don't like Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, or Spirit Tracks at all so I'm fine if those get left behind. I am jonesing to run through every Zelda game in a marathon though and it would be nice to do it on one console.
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Just turned 33 - and Favorite Zelda game is BOTW. That game is just something else. Before that, it was Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past. I played all 3 of these games soo many times, including the Ocarina of Time, Master Quest version, which has different dungeons.
I liked Majora's Mask, though I haven't play it in over a decade. It's a really unique game with an interesting story. It's #4 on my top 5 (#5 is Twilight Princess). But for those that did not play the original, just a quick thing in case you did not know. In order to play the game you needed to install an "Expansion Pak" (https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo_64_Expansion_Pak) on your N64, which at least for me, it was hard to find one and kind of annoying. I had a friend who was able to buy one and we all used to take turns using it until most of us got our hands on one as well.
Also, for Christmas this year I got the Zelda Game and Watch, which includes the Original Game, Zelda II and Link's Awakening.
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Just wanna throw out Skyward Sword, I only played it once through but it was another top tier Zelda for me along with the others mentioned.
Skyward Sword gets a lot of disliked for some reason and I don't understand why. It was a fine with weird controller mechanics, but overall it was fun.
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Just wanna throw out Skyward Sword, I only played it once through but it was another top tier Zelda for me along with the others mentioned.
Skyward Sword gets a lot of disliked for some reason and I don't understand why. It was a fine with weird controller mechanics, but overall it was fun.
Skyward Sword... I have a hard time being fair to it. It was unfun back in 2011 and it's unfun in 2022, imo. The controls still suck even though they adapted them to a normal controller. Trying to control the camera and do basically anything else is annoying. The game itself seems to rest on laurels earned back in 1998. Each game following Ocarina followed its template but expanded all the tedious and less fun aspects of Zelda games than the good ones. Skyward Sword has great dungeon design, but the story stinks and the characters are even worse. It goes out of its way to point out obvious, redundant information to you. The controls aren't fun, especially on a normal controller, trying to control the camera is a major hassle. The world is empty, ugly, and boring with almost nothing to do. Retreading those same few areas throughout the whole game doesn't make it any better. Combat is okay, I like how the direction you swing your controller is reflected in the game and on the enemies' shields. Also the game's lore fundamentally undermines Ganondorf who is one of my favorite Zelda characters. It simply ruins his character and removes a lot of the gravitas to what he is about especially in Wind Waker, because it just comes down to "oh he's just Demise 2.0 and hates Link and Zelda" instead of the whole story about trying to save his desert kingdom. That really annoys me and I don't want them to go back to Demise at all. I'm really hoping that's actually Ganondorf in the BOTW 2 trailer and not Demise. (Also, I hate the character designs in Skyward Sword. They're just as bad as Twilight Princess's, except they somehow feel even lower quality.) Then there's the whole thing about how long it takes to get through the beginning (exactly the same reason I've never beaten Twilight Princess a second time - the beginning takes sooooo long to get through and it's dull as rocks).
As proven by the Switch version it would definitely take more than remapped controls (and even the remapped controls need remapping) for me to enjoy it and that hurts because I love Zelda so much. To this day I'm still shocked by what a disappointment SS is. One word to describe it: lazy. So when Breath of the Wild dropped and it basically took over my entire 2017... and 2018... yeah I was surprised :lol
edit: that was a lot of ranting, sorry, I just can't help myself when someone says they aren't sure why SS gets hate :lol :metal
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Now that I'm further into Majora's Mask, I know there's no conceivable way I could have gotten the most out of it if I played it as a kid. I probably would have just went to the 4 dungeons, finished the game and moved on with my life.
The whole "game with-in a game" aspect of following people around, sticking to schedules and helping them solve their problems definitely would have gone over my head back then, but now as an adult I'm really appreciating it. It really is an entire new type of game hidden with-in a Zelda game. Wild.
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I remember the quest to get the Bunny Hood was annoying, but useful to move around faster.
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The pirate fortress. So many bottles... multiple trips in and out :censored
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So it seems that a live-action Zelda movie is officially in development with Sony.
To say that it worries me what they'll do is an understatement :lol an animated Mario movie works. A live action Zelda...I have my doubts, even if it is my favorite game franchise. But I'll trust Nintendo. If it is just a descent enough movie I'll be happy.
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The mario movie was actually entertaining. I was afraid I would hate it. However... if Link has any verbal lines, I'm not sure how my brain will handle it.
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The Mario movie was great, and it was really nice how they incorporated so many different Mario games into the movie. But with Zelda, and live action at that, I just can't picture how it would work. Yes, Link saying anything but:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/NsZbrSS0miha0/giphy.gif)
will break my brain lol but at Nintendo's pace, this movie won't come out until 2030 :lol so we have plenty of time
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They should have some courage and make it a silent movie. Have it deliver purely though ambience and soundscape.
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I remember someone commenting on how in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Eastwood's character is really taciturn, especially considering the film's length and the size of his role. Such that when he did speak, if only a couple words, or even with a glare, it carried weight. They could totally make Link work in that style.
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People have been clamoring for a Zelda movie for as long as I've been aware of Zelda, and I have to admit, I do not get it. I don't really see any way it can be good and also be true to the games, because, you know, they're games. Zelda games barely even have a story, and the story they do have is really bare bones and archetypal good vs. evil stuff. I don't think that's bad, it works great for a game you'll play for 50 hours that has maybe 30 minutes of story strewn throughout it, but makes zero sense for a movie.
Link doesn't have a voice or even a personality, really, since he's a player controlled character, apart from generally being 'good.' Again, great for a game. Not good for a movie. And sure they could change all of that, but at that point, why? What benefit is there?
For some reason there's this idea that becoming a movie, specifically a live-action movie, is the ultimate endstate for any piece of media. Books? Gotta make them into movies so people will watch them since no one reads. Video games, audience is too small, let's water it down and turn it into a generic movie everyone can just barely tolerate. Even stuff like animated shows or movies suffer from the same thing, where for some reason we have to turn them into live action so people can enjoy them. Like the Last Airbender, despite the cartoon being pretty much perfect and perfectly suited to the medium it's told in.
I'm annoyed by this, I guess is what I'm saying here.
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Zelda games barely even have a story,
You made some good points that I agree with, but you lost me here.
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The Mario movie was great, and it was really nice how they incorporated so many different Mario games into the movie. But with Zelda, and live action at that, I just can't picture how it would work. Yes, Link saying anything but:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/NsZbrSS0miha0/giphy.gif)
will break my brain lol but at Nintendo's pace, this movie won't come out until 2030 :lol so we have plenty of time
I would love it if this line is uttered by Link, but in a more subtle way. Like, he's trying to get by her in a small space or something, "Ah, well, excuse me Princess." It would make me chuckle.