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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Scorpion on January 22, 2013, 02:22:01 PM
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So I listened to this song again today, courtesy of shuffle, and for some reason it hit me in a certain way that it never did before. I had always liked that song, but man, something changed for me during this one listen.
Anyway, in this thread discuss or simply appreciate all things Space-Dye Vest.
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It's the last song I've listened to today. In the car, singing along lyrics and samples.
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It's a beautiful work of art
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Top 5 DT song.
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Appreciated. One of the best on the album for sure :tup
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Last time I checked it was some 45 in my list, but too much time has passed since then. Now I think it would sit very confortable in the top 20 :tup
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I like it as a song, but IMO it sounds like a keyboard demo, not a fully produced song. Also, the fade-out clips at the very end. A pet peeve of mine.
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I like it as a song, but IMO it sounds like a keyboard demo, not a fully produced song. Also, the fade-out clips at the very end. A pet peeve of mine.
You should listen to the original KM demo of the song. I myself discovered it just a few days ago. It's on the Kevin Moore release called "Music Meant To Be Heard" :tup
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Its my favorite from Awake.
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I like the song fine and all but personally I think it's the weakest song on the album and the weakest song pre Falling Into Infinity. Maybe it just hasn't hit me yet.
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It's my favorite song of all time. And I love it because it's the closer of my favorite DT album, the last good one that needed to click, and it helped it click with me, and also because it prompted me to finally check out KM's solo works, which unloaded a huge, uhm, load of beauty on me.
I am probably going to tell the full story, if I can remember, when it comes the time to do my top 50, but way before I figured out the meaning of the song, and the story of Kevin's leaving, it always resonated really hard. And I've found out that's the case for most people, whether they like it or dislike it, they almost always have something strong to say about it.
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I like it well-enough. I place it in the same vein as "Wait For Sleep", "Anna Lee", "Disappear", "The Answer Lies Within", and "Beneath The Surface". They all have that soft and beautiful yet depressing sound that is quite appealing. DT seem to do those types of songs pretty well, especially when piano is involved.
-Marc.
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Definitely a grower for me. It would come up on shuffle, and once I heard the first few notes, I would skip. One day I decided to listed to it the whole way through. So much power and emotion in its simplicity.
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Appreciated. One of the best on the album for sure :tup
:smiley:
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Pretty good and powerful song, but not one of DTs best even on Awake IMO.
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I dont care if its the best song or not. But I do enjoy the heck out of it especially when im down.
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Very emotional, and with great lyrics. The riff of the piano intro is so brilliant, powerful, and even catchy. I love it. When the drums come in... Chills down my spine. I could never be open again...
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I like it well-enough. I place it in the same vein as "Wait For Sleep", "Anna Lee", "Disappear", "The Answer Lies Within", and "Beneath The Surface". They all have that soft and beautiful yet depressing sound that is quite appealing. DT seem to do those types of songs pretty well, especially when piano is involved.
-Marc.
Why didn't you list Far From Heave among these? Is it a case if simply forgetting or something rlse, because I think it could very well be grouped among those and I also think it's better than at least half the songs you did name.
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The best.
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I love it. For an album as heavy and dark as Awake, it's a perfect closer: a slow-paced, melancholic, atmospheric song. The "never be open again" part is a bit too long, but nothing to worry much ;D
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I like it well-enough. I place it in the same vein as "Wait For Sleep", "Anna Lee", "Disappear", "The Answer Lies Within", and "Beneath The Surface". They all have that soft and beautiful yet depressing sound that is quite appealing. DT seem to do those types of songs pretty well, especially when piano is involved.
-Marc.
Why didn't you list Far From Heave among these? Is it a case if simply forgetting or something rlse, because I think it could very well be grouped among those and I also think it's better than at least half the songs you did name.
I think I just forgot it, but you're right, it would belong.
-Marc.
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Overrated but still good.
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Top 10 for sure. Love the song and it always makes me sad that Kevin Moore left ;_;
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Very emotional, and with great lyrics. The riff of the piano intro is so brilliant, powerful, and even catchy. I love it. When the drums come in... Chills down my spine. I could never be open again...
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10 ten. Maybe top 5 for me.
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I love how many different emotions are expressed in it... anger, desolation, rejection, bitterness, sadness, wonder, despair, desperation. A DT top 10 piece.
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I love how many different emotions are expressed in it... anger, desolation, rejection, bitterness, sadness, wonder, despair, desperation. A DT top 10 piece.
Sounds like me in highschool
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I like it well-enough. I place it in the same vein as "Wait For Sleep", "Anna Lee", "Disappear", "The Answer Lies Within", and "Beneath The Surface". They all have that soft and beautiful yet depressing sound that is quite appealing. DT seem to do those types of songs pretty well, especially when piano is involved.
-Marc.
The gentleman's wisdom knows no bounds.
Pretty good and powerful song, but not one of DTs best even on Awake IMO.
This applies too.
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I love how many different emotions are expressed in it... anger, desolation, rejection, bitterness, sadness, wonder, despair, desperation. A DT top 10 piece.
Sounds like me in highschool
Might be why it was my favorite DT song then.
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I like it well-enough. I place it in the same vein as "Wait For Sleep", "Anna Lee", "Disappear", "The Answer Lies Within", and "Beneath The Surface". They all have that soft and beautiful yet depressing sound that is quite appealing. DT seem to do those types of songs pretty well, especially when piano is involved.
-Marc.
The gentleman's wisdom knows no bounds.
Thanks :tup
Ironically enough, I really enjoy this side of DT, and it seems to pop up on nearly every album. "Wither" is sort of like that, as well, and while it rocks a bit harder than the others, it still has that bitter-sweet sentimentality to it. Of course, there is the piano-version of the song that totally fits this mood.
I also forgot to mention "Vacant" among those songs as well. I made a mix once that involved all of those songs - it was pretty depressing, but highly enjoyable.
-Marc.
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It's my favorite song of all time. And I love it because it's the closer of my favorite DT album, the last good one that needed to click, and it helped it click with me, and also because it prompted me to finally check out KM's solo works, which unloaded a huge, uhm, load of beauty on me.
So you just revealed your #1 song before you even started your top 50 DT list! :neverusethis: Well, I wouldn't have been surprised anyway...
But yeah, it's no secret that I love this song - I agree with everything you said, except that I wouldn't call it my favorite song of all time, although it's pretty close. I'll never understand the hate this song gets (except maybe the use of samples), but I think the fact that it divides opinions so strongly says something about its impact.
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One of my favorite "not so DT style" songs. I couldn't imagine a best closing track for Awake. It's like Kevin is saying goodbye to DT and leaving it all behind, with a bittersweet feeling.
Probably one of the most emotional songs from DT, along with Vacant and Disappear. I love it so much, and James (along with Kevin's hidden vocals) does and incredible job. He is great when singing these low key soft songs, his voice is so warm and full of emotions.
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It's my favorite song of all time. And I love it because it's the closer of my favorite DT album, the last good one that needed to click, and it helped it click with me, and also because it prompted me to finally check out KM's solo works, which unloaded a huge, uhm, load of beauty on me.
So you just revealed your #1 song before you even started your top 50 DT list! :neverusethis: Well, I wouldn't have been surprised anyway...
But yeah, it's no secret that I love this song - I agree with everything you said, except that I wouldn't call it my favorite song of all time, although it's pretty close. I'll never understand the hate this song gets (except maybe the use of samples), but I think the fact that it divides opinions so strongly says something about its impact.
Well like anyone would have been surprised :biggrin:
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I like it well-enough. I place it in the same vein as "Wait For Sleep", "Anna Lee", "Disappear", "The Answer Lies Within", and "Beneath The Surface". They all have that soft and beautiful yet depressing sound that is quite appealing. DT seem to do those types of songs pretty well, especially when piano is involved.
-Marc.
The gentleman's wisdom knows no bounds.
Wot 'ee said.
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I have a long story involving this song I'll probably save for my Top 50 songs, but damn, I'll say this song is absolutely insane. It is so beautiful yet so fucking draining at the same time, there's so much emotion in this one piece and the Kevin and James singing together just makes the whole thing sound very unsettling.
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My #5 DT song.
When Awake came out, it was basically a three song album for me as my ride to work each day consisted of Voices, Scarred, and SDV.
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My #5 DT song.
When Awake came out, it was basically a three song album for me as my ride to work each day consisted of Voices, Scarred, and SDV.
The three best ones in scambled order, for me :laugh:
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It caps Awake perfectly and I'm so glad it got the DT treatment. I quite like Kevin Moore's solo work, but I think the delivery and arrangement from the full band works to the song's advantage.
Probably not a top-10 DT song for me but not far off.
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It caps Awake perfectly and I'm so glad it got the DT treatment. I quite like Kevin Moore's solo work, but I think the delivery and arrangement from the full band works to the song's advantage.
This, exactly!
But yeah, an incredible song in every way possible - lyrically, musically, atmospherically, etc. - and one I would still call one of the best the band has ever done. :tup :tup
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My #5 DT song.
When Awake came out, it was basically a three song album for me as my ride to work each day consisted of Voices, Scarred, and SDV.
The three best ones in scambled order, for me :laugh:
You had a CD player in your car in the mid-90s? How? The cassette doesn't have scarred so no way :P
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??? A lot of people had CD players in their cars in the mid '90s. But even if he didn't (and he didn't say his ride to work was in a car), he could have owned the CD and copied it to cassette. That's what I did with a lot of my CD's during that time.
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The car I bought in '95 had a CD player, so I don't get that comment either.
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It's a fantastic song.
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I really didn't do my research I guess :P just assumed since CD players were just becoming common in PCs meant that car CD players wouldn't be viable at the time.
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Yeah, 180 degrees but it's a dry heat. Cool song but anti-climactic. Doesn't belong as a closer. It would've followed LSOAD much better if it was switched with Scarred which has a much better outro as a closer. Just sayin' that's the way I would've done it.
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This was the first song to really catch me when I first listened to Awake. I mean, I really liked A Mind Beside Itself and The Mirror, but when the first notes of Space-Dye Vest came on, I just stopped everything and focused on this song. I still do usually stop what I'm doing when I reach this song. It is just so perfectly emotional; and, in addition to Kevin Moore's obviously fantastic playing, I love James' singing. Just a perfect song, and (I think) a great closer to the album.
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Did you know that Kevin came out and sang underneath James on the album? Basic Dream Theater trivia! :laugh:
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Yeah, he's actually panned very slightly to the right.
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Yeah, he's actually panned very slightly to the right.
That part I didn't know
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A top 25 DT song for me. I love the piano, samples, vocals (James's low register :heart), lyrics, pretty much everything in it. I love good melodies.
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Did you know that Kevin came out and sang underneath James on the album? Basic Dream Theater trivia! :laugh:
James always has the best information :laugh:
(for those who don't know what on earth we're talking about, find Space-Dye Vest in Tarrytown - the closer and shorter video has better speech audio - and listen to the beginning)
The way he says basic Dream Theater trivia... He knows we're freaks and then teases us for it :lol
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Did you know that Kevin came out and sang underneath James on the album? Basic Dream Theater trivia! :laugh:
James always has the best information :laugh:
(for those who don't know what on earth we're talking about, find Space-Dye Vest in Tarrytown - the closer and shorter video has better speech audio - and listen to the beginning)
The way he says basic Dream Theater trivia... He knows we're freaks and then teases us for it :lol
Isn't there also a Kevin only version on you tube? Oh and check out Kevin's album called Music Meant To Be Heard. It's sweet.
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My #5 DT song.
When Awake came out, it was basically a three song album for me as my ride to work each day consisted of Voices, Scarred, and SDV.
The three best ones in scambled order, for me :laugh:
You had a CD player in your car in the mid-90s? How? The cassette doesn't have scarred so no way :P
I used my Sony Discman with a cassette adapter.
The other thing about SDV is that the first time I listened to Awake, I honestly felt that it was the first song on the album that actually felt unique, where each track on I&W had its own uniqueness.
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I had a thought yesterday that I figured I'd share with you guys. I figured that, by playing it in Tarrytown, Jordan and James have perfectly absolved DT of putting SDV into live rotation if they don't want to play it.
Well, not that they need an excuse if they don't want to play it, but it's just a perfect situation. Now the song has been performed live by members of Dream Theater, but not on a Dream Theater concert, which is perfect for the crowd who doesn't like the song, or for the crowd who thinks it's sacrilege to perform it without Kevin. On the other hand, the song is not "untouchable" anymore, and James' speech before the song confirmed that MP's opinion that KM and the song are totally overrated is not shared by all members of the band. So it's just a perfect situation for a song like that.
I think the reason why they still avoided it in the previous tour is that it would prove a bit of a problem to them to find a place for it in the set, because, let's face it, even us who adore the song think it has a big downer vibe. And the song kind of stands for itself - even though, by mood, it totally fits Awake, even placed in the end it sounds like an afterthought and not like a part of the flow. So. while a suitable place for it would definitely be in the end of a set, I don't know if DT would like to end a show on such a huge downer.
But I also have the perfect solution for that. If, by any chance, they would have this slower part of the set like the acoustic part in the Dramatic Tour, a part of it, or perhaps the whole two-song or three-song or however long the set could be dedicated to James and Jordan. Just the two of them on stage, like James and John last year. And then SDV could come in the end of that piano/vocal spotlight. Emotional and simple, a nice breather. And then a huge angry metal song could come afterwards, for venting and kicking our nerves into overdrive.
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I wouldn't mind it as the set closer then they play whatever for the Encore.
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I agree on all the points that you make, but I think SDV would work great as first song of the encore. Kind of what happened in 2002 or 2006 when the band performed two (or occasionally three) songs after the second set: in those case the first was always a mood song like Hollow Years or The Spirit Carries On.
I personally think an encore made of Space Dye Vest and Learning To Live right after would not present downsides. And would allow a full band performance of the song. :tup
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I used to LOVE this song. And now I think it's corny and lame.
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Well, not that they need an excuse if they don't want to play it, but it's just a perfect situation. Now the song has been performed live by members of Dream Theater, but not on a Dream Theater concert, which is perfect for the crowd who doesn't like the song, or for the crowd who thinks it's sacrilege to perform it without Kevin. On the other hand, the song is not "untouchable" anymore, and James' speech before the song confirmed that MP's opinion that KM and the song are totally overrated is not shared by all members of the band. So it's just a perfect situation for a song like that.
I don't think they even considered playing it on the ADTOE tour. To quote this intie with James (https://www.prog-sphere.com/2011/07/11/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/):
The setlist is pretty varied, but kinda safe – it’s all album tracks. Are you going to add some B-sides or really rare stuff like Speak To Me, Eve or Space-Dye Vest, which hasn’t been performed by the full band yet?
At this point there’s no talk about that. The fact is that this is a whole new chapter for us, obviously. We have a new album coming out September 13, so the focus is really on making sure that that is set up properly, that that is going to get the attention it deserves because we’re extremely proud of it. At this point anything like that, any of the b-tracks or whatever you want to refer to – any extraneous parts to Dream Theater are still going to remain in the background – right now! I’m not saying it’ll never happen – right now!
But now that MM has been introduced to the fans and they've played the most essential fan favorites with him live already, I think they could pull out SDV, and maybe some other songs that haven't been played in ages, if ever. The way MP put setlists together was cool, but he also had some weak reasons for not playing some songs (Disappear, Anna Lee) - now that he's gone, the rest of the band could bring those songs back if they really like them.
I agree with Marco that SDV could work well as the first song of an encore. Jordan and James could perform it as a duo, and the rest of the band would return for the final song. I know I've said this before, but if they do plan on playing it, I hope it won't be in the setlist for the first European leg, as I would miss it then. Just imagine if they premiered it in Helsinki... :caffeine:
I used to LOVE this song. And now I think it's corny and lame.
See thread title:
Space-Dye Vest Appreciation
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I love Space Dye Vest, and while I think it is the perfect closer for Awake, I don't think it would be a good set closer or encore song in concert. It would work well as a middle of the set tune, during one of those 2-3 mellow set breakdowns.
To make a comparison, as much as I love Queensryche's Someone Else?, and I too feel that was the perfect closer for Promised Land, it was kind of strange having it as the last song of the concert on the Promised Land tour (the show overall was still awesome, regardless).
I just think set closers and encores should usually be something rocking that slays the audience.
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I appreciate how dynamic it is. I used to love it, and now I hate it. What a drastic change!
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I agree on all the points that you make, but I think SDV would work great as first song of the encore. Kind of what happened in 2002 or 2006 when the band performed two (or occasionally three) songs after the second set: in those case the first was always a mood song like Hollow Years or The Spirit Carries On.
I personally think an encore made of Space Dye Vest and Learning To Live right after would not present downsides. And would allow a full band performance of the song. :tup
First song of the encore would be the perfect spot for it. Kind of like where Iron Maiden placed Journeyman.
And then to follow it up with LTL? Yes!!
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I personally think an encore made of Space Dye Vest and Learning To Live right after would not present downsides. And would allow a full band performance of the song. :tup
This, please! :metal
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Top 20 song for them.
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Top 20 song for them.
Okay, but what about you? :lol
-Marc.
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I took a couple of minutes earlier this evening to come up with a possible setlist for a non existent DT show in promotion of the Awake album, where Kevin Moore still is in the band and the band adopts a 2,5h Evening With format:
01. Metropolis Pt.1
02. 6:00
03. Afterlife
04. The Mirror
05. Lie
06. Under A Glass Moon
07. Bass/Guitar Jam
08. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
09. Scarred
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10. Pull Me Under
11. Another Day
12. Another Hand / The Killing Hand
13. Eve
14. Surrounded
15. A Fortune In Lies
16. AMBI: Erotomania
17. AMBI: Voices
18. AMBI: The Silent Man
19. Puppies On Acid / Take The Time (extended outro solo)
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20. Wait For Sleep (sans last chord)
21. Space Dye Vest
22. Learning To Live
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Why would they play Puppies on Acid twice.
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Why would they play Puppies on Acid twice.
Surprise effect.
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That's a really good set, but I would throw in Innocence Faded (otherwise they would play I&W in full, but not Awake in full) and The Ones Who Help... (because it was played on the Awake tour and would make the setlist a little different from the I&W tour).
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Sorry for double posting, but this (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=105) deserves a post of its own:
Another interesting connection between SDV and A Room With A View is that Kevin based most of the song around a chord progression that's actually from the background music in movie! It only appears a couple of times in very short sections, but it's definitely the same chord progression that Kevin used in SDV.
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Definitely a grower. For the longest time, I couldn't stand it. Then, I could stand it, but that's about it. Now I can appreciate it, and like it somewhat.
Maybe someday I will love it.
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Sorry for double posting, but this (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=105) deserves a post of its own:
Another interesting connection between SDV and A Room With A View is that Kevin based most of the song around a chord progression that's actually from the background music in movie! It only appears a couple of times in very short sections, but it's definitely the same chord progression that Kevin used in SDV.
Yeah, I remember reading this - it's a really cool parallel. I might need to watch that someday :lol
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Not even in my Top 50, bores me a little. Still good for a listen once in a while, but not in my usual rotation of DT songs.
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Sorry for double posting, but this (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=105) deserves a post of its own:
Another interesting connection between SDV and A Room With A View is that Kevin based most of the song around a chord progression that's actually from the background music in movie! It only appears a couple of times in very short sections, but it's definitely the same chord progression that Kevin used in SDV.
Yeah, I remember reading this - it's a really cool parallel. I might need to watch that someday :lol
Me too. Judging by the sample it's probably a sad sad movie :D
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Sorry for double posting, but this (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=105) deserves a post of its own:
Another interesting connection between SDV and A Room With A View is that Kevin based most of the song around a chord progression that's actually from the background music in movie! It only appears a couple of times in very short sections, but it's definitely the same chord progression that Kevin used in SDV.
Yeah, I remember reading this - it's a really cool parallel. I might need to watch that someday :lol
Me too. Judging by the sample it's probably a sad sad movie :D
:badumtss:
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This is a bit non-sequitor, but I've been wondering what the "v." in thread titles means... Could someone explain?
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I always assumed version/volume.
At any rate, one of my favorite DT songs. I love it. First heard it on a really long car ride to college. :smiley:
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@Milena: :icy:
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Thank you.
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I always assumed version/volume.
It's "version."
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Version? I don't see how that makes any sense in the way it's used in thread titles...
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I've always assumed it was version, but I was wondering how this trend got started on DTF. I've never seen it on other forums.
On topic: SDV isn't a favorite of mine, but it's cool.
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I would imagine that it was used to give threads subtitles, in order to distinguish chat threads or the like, you know, those that exist in different incarnations.
And no, I have no idea if there was a previous thread, but I felt like giving it that name. :P
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I always thought it was versus, but then I seem to be contrarian in nature.
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I would like to thank this thread for reminding me how awesome Space Dye Vest is.
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It's interesting to go back and re-read this entire thread now that "Space Dye Vest" has finally been played live by DT .... interesting to see the opinions about it and thoughts on where it would fit in the set list, etc.
I'm reading Rich Wilson's book right now, "Lifting Shadows," and just got to the section of the book on this song last night. Reading this section knowing they played the song for the first time last week was interesting. The book quotes MP as saying that if they had realized Kevin was about to leave the band they would not have put it on the album at all. He then adds that they've never played the song live and have no intention to ever play it live.
Knowing that it's now been played live and that the quotes about leaving it off the album and never playing it live come from MP who is now also gone makes for some interesting perspective now.
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I think this is a highlight in DT's career for many reasons. For once, I think it's something like they've never done before and very out of their comfort zone. Their songs fill very full because they have many tonal changes, arrangements, notes, etc. Space Dye Vest is everything a classic DT song is not, and that puts it on a category of its own. I know this is a Kevin Moore song considering he brought it to the band just like John Petrucci has brought several finished songs (Beneath the Surface, Wither, etc.), but at the end it's a Dream Theater song because he showed it to the other guys to have it make an appearance on the Awake album because he thought it was a good fit, and he was right.
The song is musically very simple, and the highlight lies in the eerie atmosphere, the sound effects, the dreamy voices, everything. I love Dream Theater, and I love Space-Dye Vest because it's everything Dream Theater is not.
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This song was really cool when I was 18 and the girl I was hitting on refused to go home with me because I had had a few dozen too many Natty Lights and proceeded to throw up all over her. *appreciates*
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Awake ends with that ending of Scarred, for me. DAT BEAUTIFUL ENDING! SDV is always a skip.
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Top 5 DT song.
Shit yeah.
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Awake ends with that ending of Scarred, for me. DAT BEAUTIFUL ENDING! SDV is always a skip.
no...
No.
NO
NO
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This song is indeed one of DT's top 5 for me. Listening to the isolated guitar gives me chills. So much power yet so simple.
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My #2 DT song. It doesn't get much better than this.
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My #2 DT song. It doesn't get much better than this.
Actually, doesn't it, because you just said "Space-Dye Vest" is your number TWO song by Dream Theater.
:neverusethis:
-Marc.
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Doesn't get MUCH better. There is still some better to get.
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Doesn't get MUCH better. There is still some better to get.
Yeah yeah, I'm just teasing. But either way, not that it's a HORRIBLE song or anything, but I am surprised to see this song so high on many fans' lists. Is it a love for that era/album of DT, or is there just not a lot of things you all find enjoyable about the other 100+ songs by the band? I just typically don't see this song so high on many fans' lists - they're usually stuffed with the epics/longer tracks, the classics from IAW/Awake or SFAM, or the more accessible 'singles" by the band.
But at least the track is getting its love from fans here, so good for it and good for them!
-Marc.
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Doesn't get MUCH better. There is still some better to get.
Yeah yeah, I'm just teasing. But either way, not that it's a HORRIBLE song or anything, but I am surprised to see this song so high on many fans' lists. Is it a love for that era/album of DT, or is there just not a lot of things you all find enjoyable about the other 100+ songs by the band? I just typically don't see this song so high on many fans' lists - they're usually stuffed with the epics/longer tracks, the classics from IAW/Awake or SFAM, or the more accessible 'singles" by the band.
But at least the track is getting its love from fans here, so good for it and good for them!
-Marc.
It's neither of those things. I enjoy almost all of their songs. I have no particular love for that era, at least not just for the era it was in. You can check my Top 50, I had a number of songs from almost every DT album.
People enjoy it because it's a great song, and one that affects some of us very deeply. I'm not sure why you would ascribe some sort of ulterior motive to it.
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Doesn't get MUCH better. There is still some better to get.
Yeah yeah, I'm just teasing. But either way, not that it's a HORRIBLE song or anything, but I am surprised to see this song so high on many fans' lists. Is it a love for that era/album of DT, or is there just not a lot of things you all find enjoyable about the other 100+ songs by the band? I just typically don't see this song so high on many fans' lists - they're usually stuffed with the epics/longer tracks, the classics from IAW/Awake or SFAM, or the more accessible 'singles" by the band.
But at least the track is getting its love from fans here, so good for it and good for them!
-Marc.
It's neither of those things. I enjoy almost all of their songs. I have no particular love for that era, at least not just for the era it was in. You can check my Top 50, I had a number of songs from almost every DT album.
People enjoy it because it's a great song, and one that affects some of us very deeply. I'm not sure why you would ascribe some sort of ulterior motive to it.
I didn't think I implied that some fans would have an ulterior motive. I guess I just don't love it as much as some do, so I don't see it topping my Top 10 any time soon, but I will say it is a very good song for many reasons, particularly for being able to emotionally move people.
I just more or less wanted to hear why some fans would put it so high in their lists when compared to many other fan-favorites. Then again, I don't really pay TOO much attention to people's rankings anyway.
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My post came off as more accusatory than I meant it to, sorry about that. :lol
It just sounded like you were saying that in order for someone to place Space-Dye Vest so high, they had to just not enjoy most of DT's work, which is most certainly not the case.
I couldn't really say why I enjoy it so much, as I've never put too much thought into that kind of thing. I just like it.
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It's an excellent song!
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I like the way it reprises the melody from the Mirror.
If KM brought it in as a finished song then they must have liked the melody enough to use it in another song. Either that or much as SDV sticks out in the DT catalogue, KM must have lifted the melody from the mirror as he liked it which does give the song some sort of continuity and context within the album.
I don't think it's the million miles away from the DT sound that many people make it out to be. It's a sound I wish they would have explored a bit more for one or two songs. It's no more of the wall than Disappear.
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It's amazing song. I'll admit that I felt more attached to it when i was younger and broken hearts affected me more deeply. Now that I'm older, the song does not have the same effect on me, but I still recognize it's haunting beauty.
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I like the way it reprises the melody from the Mirror.
If KM brought it in as a finished song then they must have liked the melody enough to use it in another song. Either that or much as SDV sticks out in the DT catalogue, KM must have lifted the melody from the mirror as he liked it which does give the song some sort of continuity and context within the album.
I don't think it's the million miles away from the DT sound that many people make it out to be. It's a sound I wish they would have explored a bit more for one or two songs. It's no more of the wall than Disappear.
Yeah that would be interesting to know; which came first, the Mirror or SDV? Like a DT chicken/egg situation. I think its brilliant how the melodies are in both anyway.
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It works so incredibly well as a closing track to Awake, and I can't think of another song from the album that would have been better for the job. Someone brought up earlier that Scarred would have been better to do that. Well, it's a definite second, but SDV is kind of like a pleasant surprise after going from an epic track to this moody piece.
I can't wait till I'm in my 30's and reminisce over my teen years listening to this. :lol
It's an amazing song. I see tons of people around here are putting this song right up there in the top 10. I don't think it would be quite that high for me, but still great.
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I like the way it reprises the melody from the Mirror.
If KM brought it in as a finished song then they must have liked the melody enough to use it in another song. Either that or much as SDV sticks out in the DT catalogue, KM must have lifted the melody from the mirror as he liked it which does give the song some sort of continuity and context within the album.
I always think of the bit in The Mirror as being a tease, as opposed to Space Dye Vest reprising the melody, especially since it is not a major part of The Mirror at all. That kind of continuity, like the end of Lie reusing that little keyboard ditty from The Mirror underneath the guitar solo, just adds to the awesomeness of the second half of Awake. :metal :metal
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I think one of the reasons why SDV is so great is because DT quite adept at covering songs. And frankly, SDV is a cover of a a Kevin Moore song.
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I like the way it reprises the melody from the Mirror.
If KM brought it in as a finished song then they must have liked the melody enough to use it in another song. Either that or much as SDV sticks out in the DT catalogue, KM must have lifted the melody from the mirror as he liked it which does give the song some sort of continuity and context within the album.
I don't think it's the million miles away from the DT sound that many people make it out to be. It's a sound I wish they would have explored a bit more for one or two songs. It's no more of the wall than Disappear.
Yeah that would be interesting to know; which came first, the Mirror or SDV? Like a DT chicken/egg situation. I think its brilliant how the melodies are in both anyway.
I remember reading Kevin wrote a bunch of songs on his own at the end of 1993 and one of them was SDV. Since they didn't start working on Awake until a couple of months later, SDV came first.
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I discovered DT many years ago just 'cause of this song. This song is masterpiece. It's like a work of Van Gogh, Vivaldi, Wilde & Tarkovsky. I'm already mad but this track makes me insane. :tup
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because it prompted me to finally check out KM's solo works, which unloaded a huge, uhm, load of beauty on me.
Exactly.
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Seriously, how good is the jp solo in the live version...just lovin it :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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It's still surreal to hear people mentioning the live version. :lol
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Seriously, how good is the jp solo in the live version...just lovin it :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
It starts off great when he's playing the melody... then... not so great.
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Just watched it. That was great! Never thought they'd play it one day. I might just go to the next concert even though I thought Luna Park was a bit of a letdown. I'd definitely enjoy it if they'd alter songs, unexpected song choices etc... That's what I've been missing most from DT.
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It's still surreal to hear people mentioning the live version. :lol
Tell me about it :lol
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Just watched it. That was great! Never thought they'd play it one day. I might just go to the next concert even though I thought Luna Park was a bit of a letdown. I'd definitely enjoy it if they'd alter songs, unexpected song choices etc... That's what I've been missing most from DT.
Have you seen the setlist? The consensus is that most of the song choices were entirely unexpected.
I don't know why people complain about the lack of a rotating setlist anyway. It seems like an overwhelming minority of people actually go to more than one show on any given leg, so who cares if they're not changing the setlist every night?
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I don't know why people complain about the lack of a rotating setlist anyway. It seems like an overwhelming minority of people actually go to more than one show on any given leg, so who cares if they're not changing the setlist every night?
I know why they do. IMO, something along the lines of the ADTOE tour should've been great for this one too. Now, while I've only looked at the setlist once (I couldn't resist the temptation), I know exactly which songs they'll be playing at the show I'm going too and in what order they'll be played. If there was some kind of rotation like the ADTOE tour then I would've seen the first setlist, would've thought that it was very cool and I would've not looked at any other setlists to keep the element of surprise in it for me. I know I could've just not looked up the setlist but since I visit these forums very often I would've seen something anyway. I'd rather know most of the setlist in advance than all of it.
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I could understand complaints about the lack of rotation if DT were playing normal shows on this tour. But c'mon - it's an evening with DT and they had to rehearse 2.5 hours of material! The surprise factor may be gone, but the performances will get tighter and tighter as the tour goes on. Besides, if there was rotation, there would be "why didn't they play this song at the show I went to?" comments, so you can never please everybody.
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True that, but surely it isn't hard to rotate 2-4 songs like on the ADTOE tour. And the "why didn't they play this song at the show I went to?" is always gonna be there, even when the setlist doesn't change.
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I don't know why people complain about the lack of a rotating setlist anyway. It seems like an overwhelming minority of people actually go to more than one show on any given leg, so who cares if they're not changing the setlist every night?
I know why they do. IMO, something along the lines of the ADTOE tour should've been great for this one too. Now, while I've only looked at the setlist once (I couldn't resist the temptation), I know exactly which songs they'll be playing at the show I'm going too and in what order they'll be played. If there was some kind of rotation like the ADTOE tour then I would've seen the first setlist, would've thought that it was very cool and I would've not looked at any other setlists to keep the element of surprise in it for me. I know I could've just not looked up the setlist but since I visit these forums very often I would've seen something anyway. I'd rather know most of the setlist in advance than all of it.
So DT should rotate songs because you don't have the self-control to stay out of the tour subforum?
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I must say the song is much better the way they played it live. Petrucci's guitar solo at the end was godly.
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I love how many different emotions are expressed in it... anger, desolation, rejection, bitterness, sadness, wonder, despair, desperation. A DT top 10 piece.
+ 10000!!! :hefdaddy
Just an awesome piece of art. :metal
I almost cried when they have performed the song live in Paris a few days ago. :blush
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I love how many different emotions are expressed in it... anger, desolation, rejection, bitterness, sadness, wonder, despair, desperation. A DT top 10 piece.
+ 10000!!! :hefdaddy
Just an awesome piece of art. :metal
I almost cried when they have performed the song live in Paris a few days ago. :blush
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I was pleasantly surprised that this song actually works incredibly well live! :biggrin:
Still, it's nowhere near a top 5 or even a top 10 song for me. It may not even make my top 50, whenever that happens.
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I love how many different emotions are expressed in it... anger, desolation, rejection, bitterness, sadness, wonder, despair, desperation. A DT top 10 piece.
+ 10000!!! :hefdaddy
Just an awesome piece of art. :metal
I almost cried when they have performed the song live in Paris a few days ago. :blush
Do you know how I know you are gay, you cried during the playing of that Kevin Moore song.
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Do you know how I know you are gay
:lol
Btw, I wonder how Kev feels about his song feels about his song suddenly being played live for the first time, 20 odd years after it was recorded, and how all the fans are going crazy for it...
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This song is so powerful I almost never listen because it makes me want to kill myself, it should have a label on the side "THOSE WHO SUFFER FROM DEPRESSION SHOULD CHECK WITH YOUR CURRENT PSYCHIATRIST BEFORE LISTENING". Anyway, it's excellent, but not for all ocassions.
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Btw, I wonder how Kev feels about his song feels about his song suddenly being played live for the first time, 20 odd years after it was recorded, and how all the fans are going crazy for it...
I doubt he cares or even knows they're playing it :P
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I suspect he probably does, as he's fairly active on FB and Twitter these days.
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I will admit that SDV isn't my favourite DT song.
... But that's because they went and wrote Trial Of Tears, which I absolutely adore.
Space-Dye Vest is beautiful as hell, and I love it, and I loved seeing it live. It was heaven.
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I suspect he probably does, as he's fairly active on FB and Twitter these days.
Yup, i also tweeted him about this news at that time. He's more active on tumblr. :biggrin:
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I had the exact same thing, it suddenly hit me. So I decided to sing it. It's not the best one to cover (for there are not much vocal parts) and I get nowhere near to James, but I wanted to sing it badly :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPxIaMWvxk
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Still, it's nowhere near a top 5 or even a top 10 song for me. It may not even make my top 50.
This.
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This is easily my favorite DT song. It's just so different from what they usually do and it works so brilliantly. :tup
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I love this song, lots of light and shade on offer here - great piano (obviously), I think its one of DT's most unique tracks.
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I had the exact same thing, it suddenly hit me. So I decided to sing it. It's not the best one to cover (for there are not much vocal parts) and I get nowhere near to James, but I wanted to sing it badly :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPxIaMWvxk
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. Would love to hear more DT covers.
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I just saw this live for the first time in my life last night and it was everything I was expecting it to be. ALMOST cried, but held it together.
I thought the new arrangement was pretty cool, but I thought the original would have been just as cool.
If that's what it took them to finally play the damn thing then I'm all for it.
Some people obviously weren't happy though. They booed. I don't think I've ever been at a show where people booed the headliner.
Pretty amusing actually.
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I was at the show last night too. It was the best moment in the show for me, deeply moving. :hefdaddy I loved the new arrangement, I think it made a lot more sense in the context of the show than the sparse original would have(though I'm absolutely in love with the original). Didn't hear the booing, but anyone doing that is an idiot.
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I had the exact same thing, it suddenly hit me. So I decided to sing it. It's not the best one to cover (for there are not much vocal parts) and I get nowhere near to James, but I wanted to sing it badly :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPxIaMWvxk
Very cool! Thanks for sharing. Would love to hear more DT covers.
Thank you! I'm thinking about Beneath The Surface. Need some help on which songs to cover, so if you've got an idea, please share it.
Keep in mind that most of his vocal melodies are a bit too low for my voice (since he is male) and then it'd be way too high for me to sing an octave higher :biggrin:
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I was pleasantly surprised that this song actually works incredibly well live! :biggrin:
100% agreed. I didn't think it would work, but everyone was minimal mostly with playing as the song calls for. MM fit perfectly in. JP taking the outro key theme was cool (a little shred, but passable).
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I don't know why people complain about the lack of a rotating setlist anyway. It seems like an overwhelming minority of people actually go to more than one show on any given leg, so who cares if they're not changing the setlist every night?
I know why they do. IMO, something along the lines of the ADTOE tour should've been great for this one too. Now, while I've only looked at the setlist once (I couldn't resist the temptation), I know exactly which songs they'll be playing at the show I'm going too and in what order they'll be played. If there was some kind of rotation like the ADTOE tour then I would've seen the first setlist, would've thought that it was very cool and I would've not looked at any other setlists to keep the element of surprise in it for me. I know I could've just not looked up the setlist but since I visit these forums very often I would've seen something anyway. I'd rather know most of the setlist in advance than all of it.
So DT should rotate songs because you don't have the self-control to stay out of the tour subforum?
You mention staying out of a subforum to avoid seeing a set-list yet you discuss certain songs being played on this tour in the main forum? How am I supposed to avoid spoilers when they are posted everywhere?
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Stay off the internet.
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Or just stay off DTF if being surprised is that important to you. Not that it matters anyway -- having just come back from the Chicago show, I can confirm this tour is amazing even if you memorized the setlist in advance.
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I've seen the setlist and know what they're playing but find it kind of hypocritical seeing people tell others to stay off a sub-forum to not see a setlist while talking about the setlist in the main forum.
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I would agree with you if I spoiled the setlist in the main forum. I have not done that. I have actually gone out of my way NOT to do that.
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The live performances of it (especially the one at Manchester, glad that someone posted the download link to it at it's thread) are BEAUTIFUL. Brings the tears to my eyes even if it can't make me cry. The octave change and JP's solo have been perfectly fit into an already very touchy and brilliant song. I just can't think of what else could be done to make it better of a song.
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Gotta say, the performance of this at last night's Kansas City show was one of the highlights for me. There was an electricity that ran through the crowd when Jordan played those opening notes. Just fantastic!!!
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I already thought it was a perfect song so I'm not a huge fan of the changes they made to it, but hearing it tonight was still amazing :heart
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SDV live was one of the highlights of the show for me.
JR did a really good job making the keyboard sounds fit into a concert hall environment while maintaining the melancholy. Great use of dynamics in performance. He played the piano like a tortured artist perfectly.
And JLB was tremendous. When he started singing "THERE'S NO ONE TO TAAAAKE MY BLAAAAAME! IF THEY WANTED TOOOOOO!" at full tilt, it was one of those magical moments that makes me love music. So emotionally wrenching.
Great song. Great live performances.
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Gotta say, the performance of this at last night's Kansas City show was one of the highlights for me. There was an electricity that ran through the crowd when Jordan played those opening notes. Just fantastic!!!
Absolutely!!
I already thought it was a perfect song so I'm not a huge fan of the changes they made to it, but hearing it tonight was still amazing :heart
I wouldn't want those changes to have been like that in the original song, but they really did work live, for the most part.
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I was at the show last night too. It was the best moment in the show for me, deeply moving. :hefdaddy I loved the new arrangement, I think it made a lot more sense in the context of the show than the sparse original would have(though I'm absolutely in love with the original). Didn't hear the booing, but anyone doing that is an idiot.
Indeed, those are pure idiots. They have nothing to do with DT.
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Perfect song, and perfect ending for the ultimate Dream Theater album.
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SDV live was one of the highlights of the show for me.
JR did a really good job making the keyboard sounds fit into a concert hall environment while maintaining the melancholy. Great use of dynamics in performance. He played the piano like a tortured artist perfectly.
And JLB was tremendous. When he started singing "THERE'S NO ONE TO TAAAAKE MY BLAAAAAME! IF THEY WANTED TOOOOOO!" at full tilt, it was one of those magical moments that makes me love music. So emotionally wrenching.
Great song. Great live performances.
THIS.
I went crazy for this arrangement. Not to mention it was the finale of them playing the entire freaking epic half of my favorite album.
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Saw it live last night for the first time. It was always just ok to me. I didn't like it much as an album closer. But, after last night, I've gained a new appreciation for it. You know how most live songs are, they usually add a little extra to it. Pretty cool actually. JR did a great job too. Loved it.