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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Progmetty on December 07, 2012, 09:20:41 PM
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We’re illegal. Our whole goal is to get annexed to the united fuckin’ states. We start holdin’ trials, what’s to keep the United States fuckin’ Congress from sayin’, “Oh, excuse us, we didn’t realize you were a fuckin’ sovereign community and nation out there. Where’s your cocksucker’s flag? Where’s your fuckin’ navy or the like? Maybe when we make our treaty with the Sioux we should treat you people like renegade fuckin’ Indians. Deny your fuckin’ gold and property claims. And hand everything over instead to our ne’er-do-well cousins and brother’s in law.”
Al Swearengen.
Welcome to Deadwood. No, this thread is not about erectile dysfunction; it's about one of my favorite artworks of all time.
I didn't do black Friday this year , I only ever did it once in my 4 years in the U.S but this time with all the calls to boycott of Wal Mart and Best Buy on that day for how they treat their employees, it surely didn't feel right. But for a while now I've been wanting to get the BluRay box set of Deadwood complete series and haven't been able to afford it's 90$ price last year or 160$ the year before, I had my mind set on it this time around, long story short I got it online on Cyber Monday for 60$, it's still at that price.
I had watched the show directly after it's run ended a few years ago, so glad now I didn't go for the individual seasons DVD box sets, the BluRay complete series is a beauty. I'll take pictures and post them if anybody is interested.
If we're discussing the show I have to warn people who intend on seeing it that there will probably be unfiltered spoilers.
Just watch the episode where the two teenagers got what's coming to them at the hands of Cy Tolliver, Tolliver is my least favorite character on the show but I loved in this episode for the way he punished these little fuckers, it's rare that you get to see a character that pissed you off so bad beaten and shot to death.
So much impressing attention to detail on this show, was there ever a show that matched Deadwood's amazing cinematography and sets? short maybe the pilot of The Walking Dead.
Would it be a bit too far if we spoke in the language of Deadwood in this thread?
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Best.......show........ever. (in before people start yelling "THE WIRE!" at me)
I can't think of a single flaw in this show. The worst I can think of is some things that aren't as brilliant as other things, but nothing bad at all. I just love it. I even have a (fading sadly) Bullock and Star Hardware shirt that I used to wear all the time.
Does the Blu Ray box set have any extras that the individual box sets didn't have?
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Sorry Adami, but I'm here to yell THE WIRE!
I've seen both shows, and Deadwood, while really well done, doesn't hold a candle to The Wire. The Wire has superior characters, superior writing, superior acting, superior setting, superior messages, and its a helluva lot more impressive for its incredible scope and thought provoking in its ambition. Now, with that being said, I realize that all the above are subjective, and little more than my opinion, but I felt the need to put my two cents out there. The above is, also, in no way a slight at Deadwood because if we're being honest, no television show ever created holds a candle to the wire.
As for Deadwood, I love me some Swearengen
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Sorry Adami, but I'm here to yell THE WIRE!
I've seen both shows, and Deadwood, while really well done, doesn't hold a candle to The Wire. The Wire has superior characters, superior writing, superior acting, superior setting, superior messages, and its a helluva lot more impressive for its incredible scope and thought provoking in its ambition. Now, with that being said, I realize that all the above are subjective, and little more than my opinion, but I felt the need to put my two cents out there. The above is, also, in no way a slight at Deadwood because if we're being honest, no television show ever created holds a candle to the wire.
As for Deadwood, I love me some Swearengen
How about you create a The Wire thread so I can not post there. :)
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:) You asked for it in your first post...
Just out of curiosity, have you seen The Wire? I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I think as a Deadwood fan you would appreciate The Wire, even if you find it doesn't hold up against Deadwood.
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There's one extra disc of bonus features that is exclusive to this box set, I haven't gotten to it yet but it has a featurette of David Milch walking through the streets of the camp and narrating what his vision for season 4 was.
Also the box itself is fuckin beautiful man, it's in the shape of a book with the discs in pages on one side and some kick ass artwork on the opposite side, including pictures of the original Deadwood and it's real characters and other stuff.
I dunno what the video quality was like on the DVDs but on these BluRays the quality of the picture is amazing and the transfer rate is flawless.
Other than that all the other discs contain the same stuff the individual DVD box sets had.
I learned a bunch of thing from Deadwood but now I recall two:
- Even the most perfect people have a racial slur, squrehead!
- Black people's use of "was" when it's grammatically correct to use "were" is actually an old west thing :lol
Just out of curiosity, have you seen The Wire? I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I think as a Deadwood fan you would appreciate The Wire, even if you find it doesn't hold up against Deadwood.
It's on my "Should check out" list, I heard a lot of praise.
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Tried, don't like cop shows.
I'll try again later, BUT STOP TALKING ABOUT THE WIRE IN A DEADWOOD THREAD YOU COCK SUCKER!
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I dunno if I can buy the blu ray set since I already have the normal DVDs and can't really justify that yet.
But I actually went to the real Deadwood a few months ago................quite underwhelming.
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Tried, don't like cop shows.
I'll try again later, BUT STOP TALKING ABOUT THE WIRE IN A DEADWOOD THREAD YOU COCK SUCKER!
I'll fuckin second Adami on that, take that fuckin talk elsewhere. Or Dan Dority might have a say heh
But I actually went to the real Deadwood a few months ago................quite underwhelming.
Milch says they reenact the murder of Hickock a hundred times a day but nobody would tell you about how Asian prostitutes were treated and fucked to death.
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Well I didn't see any re-enactment. I saw a bunch of bars and casinos and the words "Wild Bill" shoe horned into everything. I saw the Bullock Hotel, a bunch of Wild Bill places, a sign about where he was killed, another about where Jack was captured for killing him, and a few mentions of Calamity Jane and Charlie Utter. That's about it.
It should just be called "WILD BILL HICKOK DIED HERE town".
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Any original buildings still standing? did you see the area where the Gem Saloon was?
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Any original buildings still standing? did you see the area where the Gem Saloon was?
There was a Gem something, not theatre though.
And no, the original deadwood burned down....then was rebuilt.....then burned down again. It's a very modern town now. Nothing old about it at all. :(
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That's what I thought, my wife is still determined to see it though.
I so hate that it ended so early, I'm considering watching Justified and pretending the lead character is Bullock's descendant hehe
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If you ever watch the show Six Feet Under, quite a few Deadwood folk show up there. I remember watching it and being thrilled when Trixie, Dan, the widow Garret, Martha Bullock, Elsworth, and possibly others showed up from time to time.
I hope Guineapig shows up, I know he'll have a few things to complain about (I don't think I've seen a post of his that didn't) but I'm pretty sure over all he loved this show too.
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I do have some criticisms of Deadwood, but it's a fucking phenomenal show, and I pity any hoopleheaded cocksucker who ain't seen it.
It has the best-written and most quotable dialogue of any show, ever.
As for Deadwood alums showing up in things, Adami, you should watch Justified. Not only is it a great show, but you can just imagine it as the sequel to Deadwood, where after the town burned down, Bullock traveled forward in time to Kentucky.
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I love Deadwood and echo that it's the best show ever. Unfortunately, when I saw this thread I immediately thought it was coming back :(
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It's never coming back.
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On a more positive note, here is something else Deadwood can lay claim to: the best set ever. Seriously. How awesome was that town? It allowed for the sort of shots you almost never see on TV (or films for that matter), and was always so stacked with extras that it felt like a real place.
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It's never coming back.
I still believe there's some hope. It's a long shot, but last a check lots of people close to the project (including Ian McShane) were still really interested in doing it one day.
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It doesn't matter. It's almost been 7 years since it was cancelled. The sets, props, etc. were disbanded/sold long ago. It was by no means a cheap show to make, and there's simply no incentive for HBO or anyone to invest a large amount of capital for one more season.
David Milch has moved on. I suggest everyone else should, too.
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You never know. I still am hoping there will be at least a movie somewhere down the line.
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You never know. I still am hoping there will be at least a movie somewhere down the line.
Sorry man, it's dead and fed to Woo's pigs sadly.
Also I'd like to give mention to Doc Cochran who generally goes unmentioned when compared to the likes of Swearengen and Bullock and Toliver, but his performances were, in my opinion, brilliant from start to finish.
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Wooohooo! (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/08/arts/television/hbo-eyeing-a-deadwood-return-and-game-of-thrones-extension.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur)
Anybody think HBO will keep their word this time?
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Had a day off work today and have been laying on the couch. Decided to check this series out, just watched the first four episodes. I'm hooked as hooked can get. Wow. Great acting, writing, production. Looks like i know where all my spare tv time will go.
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Haven't had internet for a week so I dug into my Deadwood BluRays, I didn't get a chance when I first got them to watch the extras so I started a bit.
David Milch is a genius, for season 1 extras he has a couple of interviews that are incredibly thought provoking and insightful on American history and how Deadwood was a mini-version or a time lapse example of how the whole country came about.
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Seems like it's really going to happen :metal
"Deadwood: movie script is complete"
https://www.yahoo.com/newsroom/vibes/entertainment/v-7563eca7-14c1-3a20-ab16-782788cde33a_c-55039532-f4c0-3037-9394-f14c8e716ded_a-55039532-f4c0-3037-9394-f14c8e716ded
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I still have low hopes. The script is probably the easiest part to finish. And even that took like 15 years. Here's hoping though.
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I still have low hopes. The script is probably the easiest part to finish. And even that took like 15 years. Here's hoping though.
I'm trying to temper my optimism as well. It's good to know there's at least a script and story in place now.
I was WAY late to the Deadwood game....as in didn't watch it until last summer so the wait hasn't been as long for me.
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Powers Booth has sadly passed away.
I'll always know him best from Deadwood. What an amazing performance he gave us.
RIP.
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Powers Booth has sadly passed away.
I'll always know him best from Deadwood. What an amazing performance he gave us.
RIP.
yeah....that character was pretty hard nosed and tough. I'm curious as to if when they wrote the movie script that HBO has now if they knew he was in bad health and wrote his character out?
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It's official :yarr
https://www.hbo.com/deadwood/movie-what-to-know-so-far.html
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It's official :yarr
https://www.hbo.com/deadwood/movie-what-to-know-so-far.html
I will believe it after I have just watched it.
Not before. I can sit down to watch it, and until it is actually happening on screen in front of me, I will remain skeptical about it actually being real.
Sorry, been burned way too many times by them.
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I'm the same way but dude.. this is HBO's official web site! I'm allowing myself to get excited here hehe
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I don't care of Sweringan himself calls me a cock sucker for doubting it, until I am actually watching it, it's not real.
They can show production pics and I'll remain skeptical. They can show trailers and I'll be skeptical. They can do "up next, Deadwood the movie" and I'll remain skeptical.
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So they are showing production pics.
Saw two pics of Sweringan and another of Bullock.
Still skeptical.
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I am in a show hole, so went back and watched the series on Amazon again. Great show!
Now I will go back and watch 'The Wire' again. :biggrin:
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Finally going to watch Deadwood on this two week vacation I have coming up.
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May 31st gentlemen! And trailer is out too.
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Woo Hoo!!
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Still skeptical.
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So, anybody else watch the movie this weekend? I went to a screening as part of a TV-centric film festival on Friday and absolutely loved it. We also had a discussion afterward with the actress who played Calamity Jane (in person) and Ian McShane (via Skype), which was pretty interesting. So glad we got a chance to revisit Deadwood, especially with David Milch's Alzheimer's diagnosis.
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Haven’t had the chance yet. Hoping to be able to watch tonight.
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I feel I should start watching the original series. Never had the chance so far.
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I feel I should start watching the original series. Never had the chance so far.
You would not regret it.
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So I saw that it's on my HBOGO app.
Still skeptical.
A part of me is expecting to hit play and be rick rolled.
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It was pretty good! I don't remember the dialogue being that tough to understand in the original show though... :lol Maybe it's just me getting old.
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It was pretty good! I don't remember the dialogue being that tough to understand in the original show though... :lol Maybe it's just me getting old.
Haven't seen the movie yet, but yea the original show was often very difficult to understand. Assuming you mean confusing ways of speaking.
I would often have to re-watch a scene 2-3 times to figure out what they said.
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It was pretty good! I don't remember the dialogue being that tough to understand in the original show though... :lol Maybe it's just me getting old.
Haven't seen the movie yet, but yea the original show was often very difficult to understand. Assuming you mean confusing ways of speaking.
I would often have to re-watch a scene 2-3 times to figure out what they said.
I'll be interested to hear your comparison. I just might have forgotten that dynamic of the original show.
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Yeah, the movie's dialogue is certainly a tad more complicated than the show was, not in a good way IMO. The show's dialogue never felt pretentious in writing yet complex enough to have you think about it in a fun and intriguing way, the movie's dialogue -again at parts- felt like someone was trying to imitate the way the show was written but ended up taking it a little too far.
Also it made it feel like we went 20 years backwards instead of 10 years forwards, the way people talk should be getting closer to what we comprehend now, not the other way around. Granted 10 years is not enough passed time to have significant culture changes that alters the way the people talk.
Now that was a minor complaint from me about the movie, which I otherwise enjoyed. I thought it was good enough, not amazing nor great, just sufficient closure. My wife didn't like it at all, she thought it was an insult to the show, I defended it by telling her they did good for the time they had, the show easily could have used another season.
I like Timothy Olyphant a lot for his on-screen charisma but I've always thought he was a bad actor, which is cool, there's a lot of bad actors that I like due to their vibes, Keanu Reeves comes to mind. So Olyphant did it for me okay on the show but he was very inconsistent in the movie. I can tribute Bullok's behavior in the movie to the character growing up and maturing over the years but his accent changing sounded weird and throw me off for a bit.
I liked seeing all the characters again, no reference to what happened to the ones who were not there. Like Cy and Richardson, who's actors died. Or Adams, I don't know why they couldn't get the actor who played Adams though, I would have loved to see him, same for Mose.
Random thoughts:
It was so cheerful and uplifting to see Sophia grown up into a healthy, normal and beautiful young woman.
It was weird to see a pimp, who often slept with and was frequently violent to his prostitute, act like her father and give her away at her wedding..
It was difficult to sell me on Jane having spent the last 10 years on the same schedule of constant drunkness without dying of alcohol poisoning.
It was heart-warming to see Bullok's family grown and his wife happy.
I was good to see Dan and Johnny at the bar again. I was surprised Al decided to leave the Gem to Trixie instead of Dan, considering what Al and Dan have been to each other. BTW The actor playing Dan said there's about 20 minutes cut from the movie for time, I hope that comes out with the BluRay.
It was a titanic stretch to sell me on the idea that George Hearst remembered Trixie, a woman he only saw for literally 2 seconds, 10 years ago. And was easily deceived back then when Swearengin showed him a different prostitute's corpse to avoid giving up Trixie. He remembered her as she came out and yelled at him from a balcony as he was passing through the street below. Huge stretch there.
I liked Harry Mannings on the show, kinda sad he turned out the way he did.
Fucking Wu, successfully avoiding to learn English 10 years on :lol
I've always hated Trixie and I was never sold on Star's love for her, perhaps because I personally cannot find any redeeming qualities to ill-tempered people. But they could have toned down her anti-sematic bull shit simply because I found it unrealistic for a man of that time to keep getting this kind of verbal abuse from a woman and still wants to marry her. She was even pregnant with his child, who's gonna be Jewish too! Is she gonna call the kid "Jew bastard" too?
Al is a shadow of his former self in this movie, due to his deteriorating health. And that could explain my next question: How come Al isn't a wealthy man yet? I mean all this planning and plotting for various business related threads in the original 3 seasons and he's still living in that minimal room over the saloon.
Again; despite it all I enjoyed this movie a lot and was pretty teared up throughout, just to see the place and the people again.
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I feel I should start watching the original series. Never had the chance so far.
I started. First two episodes are quite ok. Right now I'm not in "OMG this is awesome, why have I waited so long?" mode, but it's clear that there's a lot of worldbuilding going on, I'll see how the first season develops.
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Posting this in case any Deadwood fans would be interested. I've enjoyed Matt's writing/work for a while now and have no doubt the book will be top notch.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mattzollerseitz/a-lie-agreed-upon-the-deadwood-chronicles?ref=thanks-copy
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So I've finished watching Season 1.
At first it didn't really grab me - sure, it was good, but I wasn't completely blown away. Then getting to know the characters and the storylines helped to get more into the story.
Al Swearingen started out, at least to me, as a plain villain, then thankfully he evolved into something (at least at times) more relatable, a charming asshole with hilarous and vulgar quips (how many times does people say cocksucker, really? :lol).
I was surprised at Wild Bill Hickok's arc - then I realized that was an historical spoiler, I'm glad I didn't read up on him!
The reverend's illness was painful to watch. I'm glad he got a quick end to his sensless suffering.
So, all in all the story was captivating, held together by a strong cast and an even stronger writing. How does it go on? are season 2 and 3 worse, better, just as good?
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So I finally watched the Deadwood movie a few weeks ago. Turns out it's real!
It was good. Not great. Suffered from being a movie. The show needed to be a show, you know? It needed multiple complicated interweaving stories instead of the very direct up front story of the movie. It felt like a nice epilogue to the show.
And on my move from North Dakota to New York, I found these two fellas (in different cities/states).
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/67703787_388626425191114_5356894601271574528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmLMOGL15aYLhI3doH8_CvKpprG_Ny5OdOZFlijiOoObDSV4mUbtpUZ0wbsFAxROS8&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=1c3214cc73fdde94b8c53209e56d6c5e&oe=5DE78410)
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Finished season 2 of Deadwood!
I don't think it will reach for me the "OMG AWESOME" territory, but it is good and it's a nice and captivating ensemble of good characters and storylines. The writing is superb and after 24 episodes you kinda start to emphatize with those who, at the beginning, would look most despicable, like E.B. and of ourse "Swedgin" (like Wu calls him), a titanic performance from Ian McShane who could read the laundry list all day long and make it sound awesome.
Guess I'll watch ASAP season 3 and then off with the movie!
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At first it didn't really grab me - sure, it was good, but I wasn't completely blown away. Then getting to know the characters and the storylines helped to get more into the story.
For me, the story completely takes a back seat to this show. What makes it one of my top shows of all time is the dialogue, boy the dialogue still blows me away.
The reverend's illness was painful to watch. I'm glad he got a quick end to his sensless suffering.
The actor knocked it the fuck out of the park, he truly sold it. I can't name something in any other TV show that ever made me weep that bad. I remember the scene when he walks in Bullok & Star's shop at night and tells them he's afraid he's losing his mind and cannot tell who they are and they told him their names and where they're from and walked him back to his tent, I was a mess. Deadwood shows you the worst and the best in humanity, incredible kindness and outstanding cruelty are displayed at their best.
How does it go on? are season 2 and 3 worse, better, just as good?
For me things are slightly different, not in a good or a bad way, once Al stops being the big bad. I think season 2 is just as good as one. Season 3 is a notch lower for me due to an introduction of a side-storyline that goes absolutely nowhere and that is not interesting and does not even get revisited or even mentioned in the movie, but it did seem to bring down every episode in season 3 a little. That's as far as I can say about that without spoiling you.
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For me, the story completely takes a back seat to this show. What makes it one of my top shows of all time is the dialogue, boy the dialogue still blows me away.
Totally this. While the story was 'ok' and good enough to keep me interested......it was the freaking dialogue that was the hook. Especially Ian McShane as Swearengen....what a perfectly written and acted character. He WAS the show. IMO that show wouldn't have the 'lore' surrounding it had McShane not been cast and brought Swearengen to life like that.
The other characters were written and acted well also....just not to the iconic level that McShane did
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For the record, aside from the good reviews, the presence of Ian McShane is what actually convinced me to watch the show. "If he was one of the protagonists, it must have been good". Boy it was.
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Since I played alot of Red Dead Redemption lately I craved for a good western show. So I thought what better time then to finally start watching this show. I never caught the train when it aired. Into E03 already and it's great but some characters I feel a bit iffy about but I'll give it some time to get to know everyone.
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Since I played alot of Red Dead Redemption lately I craved for a good western show. So I thought what better time then to finally start watching this show. I never caught the train when it aired. Into E03 already and it's great but some characters I feel a bit iffy about but I'll give it some time to get to know everyone.
Yeah, having recently watched it I can confirm that for the first episodes it's hard to keep track of who's who. Give time to the protagonists, they'll grow on you.
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I honestly cannot think of a bad character on that show, though I haven't watched it in a while and there were a LOT of characters.
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I'm thinking about Jane, I get that she supposed to be a hardened and tough woman that's been through alot but I don't know, I just feel she overplays the character to the point it's comical, especially her face expressions which I find annoying. :lol
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Well, with time you get to learn to love Al, but in the first episode he's just a ruthless, bad mouthed, shady businessman who finishes the episode beating up a prostitute. Not the best first impression.
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Well, with time you get to learn to love Al, but in the first episode he's just a ruthless, bad mouthed, shady businessman who finishes the episode beating up a prostitute. Not the best first impression.
Was talking about Calamity Jane though. :P
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Sorry for the brain fart, I totally didn't notice that the person commenting on Calamity Jane and the person saying some characters didn't start out great were the same :lol I thought you were someone else trying to guess which character(s) could not be liked by a newcomer :facepalm:
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Sorry for the brain fart, I totally didn't notice that the person commenting on Calamity Jane and the person saying some characters didn't start out great were the same :lol I thought you were someone else trying to guess which character(s) could not be liked by a newcomer :facepalm:
I will accept the brain fart. :laugh:
Btw I actually didn't know it's based on really life characters until I googled Calamity Jane, that's pretty cool.