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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
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What was wrong with them ?
Discuss :)
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Well, I don't think they're as bad as everyone else.
However the final fight between the world of Smiths and Neo was awful. Not only was the fight itself awful, but so was the CGI.
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First thing that comes to mind is the fighting. There is no tension in the fight scenes because they are so over the top. At least in the first movie, they followed most of the laws of physics until the climax. Due to this, the fight scenes are boring and drag on for far too long.
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However - i'm in the minority that prefers Revolutions to Reloaded.
I like dark. :biggrin:
I thought Bane was the best thing about Revolutions. How Smith managed to invade the Real World. Brilliantly played by the actor ( Ian Bliss )
The final showdown between smith and neo didn't mean anything either.
Reloaded had way too many new characters.
Merovingian. Persephone. The Virus Twins. The Keymaker. The Train man. Seraph.
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I don't hate the sequels, but they were never near to be on the same level as the original, which is why they were disappointments.
Reloaded - I think this is a pretty good movie. It has some bad things, lots of new characters is one example, but personally I didn't like it how Neo went from being good to immortal over a day. I get it that he's "the one" and he's supposed to be strong, but it was kinda lame when he fought off 2 or 3 agents with one arm and just standing still like a douchebag. I still think some effort should have been put into it, in order to defeat the agents.
I think the movie has a couple of iconic parts, the highway-scene is the big highlight of it, but the fighting scene at the park or what happens before the highway is pretty cool as well.
Revolutions - Kinda dull. I like the darkness of the movie, but so many things could have been done better. For example, the big war at Zion. I didn't really feel for any of the characters there, except for maybe Morpheus, but a lot of the people in focus just didn't have something special IMO, so I didn't really care if they would die or live.
The last battle between Neo and Smith was disappointing as well. It's one of those situations where EPIC doesn't equal good, and it just felt so ridiculously over the top that it was hard to take seriously.
The fight between Neo and Smith in the subway in the original - THAT was a great fightscene. The showdown sure as hell wasn't.
I also didn't particularly like Neo going blind/cruising around in a spaceship for most of the movie.
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I think the biggest fault is the story. About half way through the second the story got difficult to follow and understand.
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....everything?
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Reloaded I actually kind of liked for the most part, besides some nit picks here and there. That being said I don't love/respect it the same way I did with the first film.
Revolutions I just don't like at all. Nothing about it I found very interesting and the ending didn't feel satisfying. It didn't feel like its own movie, more like just tying up the lose ends from Reloaded.
I wish they would have had Reloaded be its own contained story from beginning to end and then of waited 2-3 years to finish things up with Revolutions.
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Don't worry. In 5 years - McG will " reboot " The Matrix trilogy and he'll cock it up even more.
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And it will probably be as godawful as that Angelina Jolie pile of shit called " Wanted ".
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....everything?
AH YEH I HADNT THOT OF DAT
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....everything?
AH YEH I HADNT THOT OF DAT
We may not agree on a whole lot, but a random Spaced reference goes a long way with me.
Good show mate, good show.
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That's one of my favourite scenes :biggrin:
Too bad Simon Pegg has done nothing of any value since Hot Fuzz.
He was the worst thing about Star Trek 09 as well.
Paul was already a shitty movie but his totally one-sided childish anti-Christian script was just the shitty icing on the crap cake.
Sorry to bring beliefs into this :D
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....everything?
AH YEH I HADNT THOT OF DAT
We may not agree on a whole lot, but a random Spaced reference goes a long way with me.
Good show mate, good show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsSWJvlojgc
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As has already been mentioned, the fight scenes kind of ruined it for me. One particular one that comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kisxJV-OEQ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kisxJV-OEQ8)
You will have to excuse the ridiculous dubstep music, or you can just think on how well it reflects the ludicrous scene.
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I watched these movies recently on Blu-ray and I couldn't believe how bad the SFX where in the Neo/Smith fights from Reloaded and Revolutions. The textures are all so plastic-y.
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I remember them saying at the time you wouldn't be able to tell when live action Neo & Army of smiths turned into CGI .
Um...You could tell INSTANTLY.
Neo suddenly become inhumanly thin.
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And the movements are robotic and completely unnatural!
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Yes - it basically looks like they just pasted a video game scene in there.
With Reloaded - its like they totally forgot about the story and instead just dumped more characters from mythology in there instead to make up for it .
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I never did quite understood how Agent Smith could take over a guy in the real world, so OK once he got "disconnected" he basically became a computer virus and replicated until he owned the matrix but how can he take over a person in the "real" world. I guess with the line about "you die in the Matrix you die in real life because you mind makes it real!" line was suppose to serve as the only explanation but... how can a mind make a computer virus real?!
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The way I understand it - Smith copied his program over the digital representation of Bane in the matrix. So when his mind returned to his body - it had the essence of Smith...
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And it will probably be as godawful as that Angelina Jolie pile of shit called " Wanted ".
I really liked Wanted >:I
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I thought it was absolute offensive nonsense.
HAI GUIZE - WE TAKE ORDERS FROM A SEWING MASHEEN LOL
LOL A BATH OF WAX CURES BROKEN BONES
OMGZZZZ CURVING BULLETS U GAISE.
ISNT THIS CAMERA ANGLE SEW COOLLL ???
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I would like to add that one of the Wachowski brothers is no longer a brother.
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He ain't black no mo'?? :neverusethis:
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The problem is the story.
Other than Neo being a Christ metaphor, the ending doesn't mean anything. Nothing of substance really happens. Because of this, it's virtually impossible to create a substantiative build up to this ending, which means it's nearly impossible to create two movies that are substantiative.
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The problem is the story.
Other than Neo being a Christ metaphor, the ending doesn't mean anything. Nothing of substance really happens. Because of this, it's virtually impossible to create a substantiative build up to this ending, which means it's nearly impossible to create two movies that are substantiative.
This. And it just made the whole experience...boring.
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What was wrong with them?
The fact that they existed. The Matrix wrapped up the story. Neo was the One and was about to show humanity the truth. It was done. There was nothing new to do or add in sequels. I know why they made them-money-but artistically they could have stopped at one movie and it would have worked.
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The reason I don't like the Matrix sequels can be summed up in one instant from Reloaded.
During the Big Brawl, Neo throws one Smith into a bunch of Smiths. When all the Smiths get knocked over, there's a sound like that of bowling pins being knocked over. What? Was the idea to make me think I was watching a cartoon? It completely takes me out of the fight, even more so than the awful CGI.
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Keeping all "it sucks because it's supposed to suck and everyone knows it" straw men aside, I recall enjoying the second film when I saw it in theaters.
Other than the ghosts, I felt that everything had been done before, and better, in the first film. The architect felt like a heavy handed attempt to make the story seem more complex than it had to be, but it didn't bother me.
The third film I also only saw once, and it was on DVD. There are films I dislike and films that I'm indifferent to, but I remember this film actually making me angry. There were many flaws, but some of the action was above par. I'm sure I'm being too hard on it in hindsight. Perhaps a marathon is in order.
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I heard the Matrix sequels were modeled after the Highlander sequels.
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Reloaded had a lot of good moments, but it also stretch the Matrix idea to the point where it kind of didn't work, and the plot gets a bit convoluted.
And Revolutions was just overly drawn out and boring as hell. A lot of what happened was obvious, and it took so long to get there that it got tiring. And they somehow managed to make a giant robot battle boring. I didn't even know that was possible.
And whatever anyone else said.
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Relevant. The last one, especially.
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/matrix_revisited.png)
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I really like both of them and cannot understand why everyone hates them either.
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Besides the reasons that were already mentioned (over the top action scenes and subpar plot) there's another that stands out to me the most: the acting SUCKED. Seriously, Keanu isn't the most excellent actor ever but at least in the first one he was somewhat convincing and gave a certain human touch to Neo which basically was what made the movie for me. I could feel like *I* could be Neo, and it was great. Trinity and Morfeo also were realistic characters that you could relate to.
In the sequels it's like everyone just didn't gave a damn - Neo was a plank-faced superhero, Morfeo was a fat mystic bullshitter and Trinity... well, she just was there, hanging around with no real purpose other than being important for Neo (her death scene was pathetic). It pisses me off.
It's a shame too because the new additions were decent actors, even if they had just an small role. It's the three main guys that mailed it in and ruined the movies. If they gave a good performance I could have ignored the rest of the films' flaws.
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Why Reloaded sucked:
- At the end of the first film there was a sense of "the sky's the limit" about what Neo could do within the Matrix. In the second film we got more Kung Fu. There's almost no end to the physics bending ideas they could've had fun with and it felt like they barely bothered to try.
- There was absolutely no dramatic tension in any of the fight scenes. Knowing there'd be a third film meant that Neo was going to be fine and frankly I'd stopped caring about any other character. To then have the fight scenes going on and on and on just made the film drag.
I liked the scene with the Architect though and there were a few neat ideas that they played around with. I just didn't care at any stage during the film.
I actually liked Revolutions for the most part. Partly, I think, because my expectations for it were lowered enough by Reloaded that I just took it at face value. The dancing/shagging bit was bloody awful though.
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I never really cared for the Architect-scene to be honest. While in many cases, they leave out too much of the plot to make something more mysterious (and it fails because of too many unanswered questions), in this case they went the other way and spoon-fed the audience with all the answers. It was like 5 minutes of just "this is how it works, this is why it happens.. yadayada" which IMO ruined it a bit. They could have given away some of the answers without making it a Q and A-scene.
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The Matrix
The Matrix 2: The Search For More Money
The Matrix 3: Because Everything Has To Be A Trilogy
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Like has been said, the fighting scenes get ridiculously over the top and really fake-looking in both sequels. And the long, drawn-out fight between Zion and the machines in Revolutions is just awful. But there are some really good scenes in both sequels, I think the Architect scene near the end of Reloaded is great, the Bane angle was definitely great, and I do like the way they ended Revolutions (even if the shot of the city with the sunlight looks as horrible fake as some of the fight scenes :lol). It just pales in comparison to the original, which was most excellent (despite me normally not liking movies overly reliant on special effects).
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Like has been said, the fighting scenes get ridiculously over the top and really fake-looking in both sequels. And the long, drawn-out fight between Zion and the machines in Revolutions is just awful. But there are some really good scenes in both sequels, I think the Architect scene near the end of Reloaded is great, the Bane angle was definitely great, and I do like the way they ended Revolutions (even if the shot of the city with the sunlight looks as horrible fake as some of the fight scenes :lol). It just pales in comparison to the original, which was most excellent (despite me normally not liking movies overly reliant on special effects).
I agree with you. When Revolutions came out I was 12 or 13, and needless to say, I found it awesome. Now I can't help to see it as a very blatant and unoriginal attempt to create a video game like movie. I still think Reloaded is a very good movie, though. I like the storyline and the introduction of all the new characters never bothered me. The Original Matrix is still one of the best moves of the past decade, and by a long shot the best of the three.
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
I like the Matrix sequels, I love the symbolism and imagery. I wrote my graduation paper in college about it entitled "Religion & The Matrix" which I got an A+ for even though I wrote it before Revolutions came out. I had guessed what would happen to Neo but couldn't guess what would happen to Smith, as of Reloaded I still wasn't sure whether he stood for Satan or the Anti-Christ, there were evidence pointing to both ideas, of course it's all open to personal interpretations.
I got the Ultimate Matrix colection DVD's when it came out but I really would like to get the BluRay's oneday.
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I don't hate the sequels, but they were never near to be on the same level as the original, which is why they were disappointments.
Reloaded - I think this is a pretty good movie. It has some bad things, lots of new characters is one example, but personally I didn't like it how Neo went from being good to immortal over a day. I get it that he's "the one" and he's supposed to be strong, but it was kinda lame when he fought off 2 or 3 agents with one arm and just standing still like a douchebag. I still think some effort should have been put into it, in order to defeat the agents.
I think the movie has a couple of iconic parts, the highway-scene is the big highlight of it, but the fighting scene at the park or what happens before the highway is pretty cool as well.
Revolutions - Kinda dull. I like the darkness of the movie, but so many things could have been done better. For example, the big war at Zion. I didn't really feel for any of the characters there, except for maybe Morpheus, but a lot of the people in focus just didn't have something special IMO, so I didn't really care if they would die or live.
The last battle between Neo and Smith was disappointing as well. It's one of those situations where EPIC doesn't equal good, and it just felt so ridiculously over the top that it was hard to take seriously.
The fight between Neo and Smith in the subway in the original - THAT was a great fightscene. The showdown sure as hell wasn't.
I also didn't particularly like Neo going blind/cruising around in a spaceship for most of the movie.
Pretty much this, personally I'm a big fan of the entire series to be honest :)
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
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Whether it is true or not really doesn't have any impact on how much the sequels sucked.
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
They talk about it in The Matrix Revisited.
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
They talk about it in The Matrix Revisited.
I think they're lying.
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In terms of the Trilogy, the first movie is like having insane foreplay, and the last two are like a half hearted handjob ending with you just taking care of it.
Seriously, the first sets up the Trilogy so perfectly, and then they just try way too hard for the second two. The first mistake they made was the casting of Neo, the second mistake was making a silly name like Neo, the third was making the storyline even more insane than the first, and the last mistake was overusing CGI.
The war between the humans and machines was a cool storyline, the idea of a glitch that makes a human insanely powerful, all of the setup is there. You've made the storyline pretty much set for epic, and then, they fumbled. Not just fumbled, they picked the ball up and ran it the wrong way. Then on top of that celebrated so long that they got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct.
In short, this is my opinion:
They set up the series so perfectly in the first movie that a four year old could have made better sequels. Then, they just pooched it.
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
They talk about it in The Matrix Revisited.
I think they're lying.
Ya. The story I heard was that they didn't even write the first one. They blatantly stole it from another screen writer...who sued. It was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
I think they can't write for crap, and that fact was exposed when they had to actually write their own sequel.
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
They talk about it in The Matrix Revisited.
I think they're lying.
Ya. The story I heard was that they didn't even write the first one. They blatantly stole it from another screen writer...who sued. It was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
I think they can't write for crap, and that fact was exposed when they had to actually write their own sequel.
Are you talking about the woman who claimed to write a screenplay in 1983 that she said was ripped off by BOTH The Matrix and The Terminator? Not exactly sure I'd trust that one.
However, enough of Grant Morrison's comic The Invisibles was in The Matrix I always wondered why no one called them on that...
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Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
They talk about it in The Matrix Revisited.
I think they're lying.
Ya. The story I heard was that they didn't even write the first one. They blatantly stole it from another screen writer...who sued. It was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
I think they can't write for crap, and that fact was exposed when they had to actually write their own sequel.
Are you talking about the woman who claimed to write a screenplay in 1983 that she said was ripped off by BOTH The Matrix and The Terminator? Not exactly sure I'd trust that one.
I think her script was called The Eye and it was proven a hoax.
1. The sequels were mentioned in The Matrix Revisited as Sigz said, which is basically a making of The Matrix; mostly with interviews filmed during the filming of the first movie.
2. In a making of Assassins (yes the Stallone movie :lol) which they also wrote, that interview was on mnet's movie magic when Assassins was still new and they mentioned their next project was a sci-fi trilogy. I think it wasn't there exact next project but it shows how far the intent was.
It doesn't change the fact that some people don't like the trilogy but I'm just saying that "they made the sequels to make money" is completely irrelevant to that IMO.
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For me, one major thing that makes the first one so great is the "whoa" moments all the time when strange things happen for the first time and especially when the Matrix is first revealed.
For the sequels, they can't reveal the matrix again and had to come up with new things to handle with mystery. Personally I think they succeeded. Smith is cool, Smith in the real world is cool, the physical war against the machines is cool, Merovingian is pretty cool and Neo's abilities even outside the Matrix are cool. I understand the complaints about overly used CGI, but I don't see it as a problem. I think it's a great trilogy.
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Been thinking about this since it came up in the Star Trek thread the other day.
At first my brain told me that I hated the sequels. Slowly I remembered that this wasn't quite right.
At the time I really enjoyed the second one (i get confused as to which is which, namewise) and spent many of the nights between seeing 2 and 3 speculating and theorising with friends about what was in store.
As is the case with large scale speculation, my expectations were not met by the third film.
So here's where I stand, Loved The Matrix, enjoyed the second one and was really disappointed with the 3rd one and that kind of marred the 2nd one for me(Lost finale anyone?). Not the first one though, i guess it's too self contained for that.
I've only seen the 2nd and 3rd ones once each iirc so I'm willing to review my opinion after another watch. Maybe in a few years time I'll get around to it. :)
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Yet again i'm in the minority :P
I think there's more substance in Revolutions than Reloaded.
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I don't think there is much SUBSTANCE in any of them. But the first one is a really good film, and the other two aren't.
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I think the sequels kick ass. The whole series kicks ass. I don't over analyze like a lot of folks do, I ask myself if I was entertained and how much I was entertained. For the Matrix Trilogy Those questions are answered with a resounding "Hell Yes!!! and "More than any other saga I've seen, with maybe the exception of the SW's saga"
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I think people are upset cuz they all thought that anything after the first one was going to be same-old-same-old and just be more of the same only bigger and better. Even I was looking forward to more sweet Bullet Time action and crazy fights involving EVERYONE and not just Neo culminating in just a massively crazy fight inside The Matrix.
But the story went the opposite way and went completely against our expectations. Sure, I was sad at first cuz we all like blowing shit up, but looking at the entire story I think it's really great.
The *only* thing I complain about is Neo having powers outside of The Matrix. He's just human so I don't get how this is possible in The Real World.
Other than that, I applaud the Wachowski's for NOT succumbing to cinematic convention and trying to do something against the flow. The Animatrix was great. Enter the Matrix was awesome cuz it ran PARALLEL to Reloaded and wasn't just the same old boring "play through the movie" junk and gave us a LOT of new content that wasn't covered in the movie... plus Nyobi and Persephone make out.
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I think the sequels kick ass. The whole series kicks ass. I don't over analyze like a lot of folks do, I ask myself if I was entertained and how much I was entertained. For the Matrix Trilogy Those questions are answered with a resounding "Hell Yes!!! and "More than any other saga I've seen, with maybe the exception of the SW's saga"
If we were talking about the Lethal Weapon series, this would be a completely valid argument. But IMO, the very nature of the story of the Matrix *invites* dissection. It begins as a very heady story. By doing that, you are inviting a very analytic audience into this new world you've created. It's not an impossible task...but it is challenging. Which is why so many story writers attempt to take up the gauntlet. But I believe the overwhelming majority agree that while the first film enticed us, the sequels seemed to be....well, lazy. Philosophical masturbation. Pseudo-philosophy that tries to put on airs of intelligence. It throws up confusing language in an attempt to sound intelligent...while in the process they are actually saying *NOTHING AT ALL*. It was a major disappointment.
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While we're on the subject... I *completely* agree with the reviews of Confused Matthew.
Here's a link to the ones for Reloaded, and an equally entertaining review for Revolutions can be found at the same site.
https://www.confusedmatthew.com/The-Matrix-Reloaded.php
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I agree that The Architect's speech was needlessly verbose and protracted.
He pretty much just said that Neo was the 7th version of the "one" program designed to deal with the 0.01% of people who didn't accept the Matrix as reality and he needed to repopulate Zion and re-enter his code back into the Matrix for the next "one".
Wasn't Seraph supposed to be an early version of The One who has hung around as a rebel program to protect the Oracle and other renegade programs ?
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I think the sequels kick ass. The whole series kicks ass. I don't over analyze like a lot of folks do, I ask myself if I was entertained and how much I was entertained. For the Matrix Trilogy Those questions are answered with a resounding "Hell Yes!!! and "More than any other saga I've seen, with maybe the exception of the SW's saga"
If we were talking about the Lethal Weapon series, this would be a completely valid argument. But IMO, the very nature of the story of the Matrix *invites* dissection. It begins as a very heady story. By doing that, you are inviting a very analytic audience into this new world you've created. It's not an impossible task...but it is challenging. Which is why so many story writers attempt to take up the gauntlet. But I believe the overwhelming majority agree that while the first film enticed us, the sequels seemed to be....well, lazy. Philosophical masturbation. Pseudo-philosophy that tries to put on airs of intelligence. It throws up confusing language in an attempt to sound intelligent...while in the process they are actually saying *NOTHING AT ALL*. It was a major disappointment.
I never used to think this was the problem, but it's beginning to overshadow the other issue I had with the sequels, which was that the original was all about how the Matrix was not real and how we're fighting to destroy it. Then the sequels come along and the Matrix basically just becomes an alternate world in which the war takes place, but basically another world in its own right. It seemed to clash with the vibes we were getting from the first movie.
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Wasn't Seraph supposed to be an early version of The One who has hung around as a rebel program to protect the Oracle and other renegade programs ?
That would be a cool explenation. It would also give some more meaning to when Smith said "I remember chasing you was like chasing a ghost."
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Seeing as a Seraph is like the highest ranking of the Angels.
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https://variety.com/2019/film/news/matrix-4-keanu-reeves-carrie-anne-moss-lana-wachowski-1203307955/
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The first MATRIX was a game changer IMO. Sure, modern tech was being applied to other movies at the time but the Matrix did it in a very unique way. It was a cool story....awesome action....the 'vibe' and feel of the movie was just intense.
The sequels felt very rushed to where it's really no secret they were just trying to cash in. While I didn't 'hate' them....they were entertaining....they fell short of the bar that the first movie set. They vibe and feel were different....they just felt like a downgrade to me rather than building on the original and adding to it. i think had they spent more time on them and not rushed them out to appease the fans it'd have served them better.
As far as this new venture....i've always thought the story left to tell was about the first man that figured it all out and began to 'free' everyone from the Matrix. The guy Morpheus talks to Neo about. I think that'd be a cool story to dive into.
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As of right now, I have zero interest. That could change, of course. But now? Meh.
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I love the Trilogy, one more than the other.
That said, I don't understand how they are bringing Trinity back as she was killed last time, and Neo already saved her once, saving her once again would be, umm, stupid. I'll see it regardless.
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That said, I don't understand how they are bringing Trinity back as she was killed last time
I doubt that the 'Trinity' and Neo we see in this will be the Trinity and Neo from the Trilogies. Meaning, it'll be earlier 'versions' of them or something along those lines. Who knows.
Or, Maybe it'll be a romantic comedy based around Neo and Trinity going on a Honeymoon in the Matrix and they have to survive a week in Hawaii running from agents who were on vacation as well?
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I remember seeing the sequels back in the day and thought they sucked major donkey balls.
Maybe I should watch them again after so many years for pure entertainment value, maybe it will turn out a Load / Reload scenario when things aren't as bad as they seemed.
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That said, I don't understand how they are bringing Trinity back as she was killed last time
I doubt that the 'Trinity' and Neo we see in this will be the Trinity and Neo from the Trilogies. Meaning, it'll be earlier 'versions' of them or something along those lines. Who knows.
Or, Maybe it'll be a romantic comedy based around Neo and Trinity going on a Honeymoon in the Matrix and they have to survive a week in Hawaii running from agents who were on vacation as well?
Now that's a movie I would watch.
In all seriousness I don't know why they are making another Matrix. I liked the trilogy, this feels like a cry for money. They better have some ridiculous effects in this movie.
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Loved the first one
Liked parts of the 2nd one
Quickly forgot about the 3rd one
If part 4 comes out and is awesome, then cool. If it sucks, its no sweat off my back.
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The sequels felt very rushed to where it's really no secret they were just trying to cash in.
Except no. They had the 3-part story all ready to go when they pitched it to the studios (info in the bonus materials).
If they really wanted to cash-in they would have made it like we (I'm guessing most of us) thought it was going to be which was Neo vs Smith and insane fighting and adventures WITHIN the Matrix (think Dr. Strange in the Mirror Dimension).
But they didn't, they went with what they had planned all along which was more philosophical and anti-expectations. I "got it", and even though I was expecting more Bullet Time and craziness, I applaud them for what they ended up doing.
Anybody already mention that the three scripts for the movies were written before the first movie was filmed? Cause the usual anti-Matrix argument is that they came up with the sequels for money.
Source? I've never heard or read that.
It's in the bonus content "The Matrix: Revisited" at 10:15-ish. The executive from the studio said "they came in and said "we have this trilogy" and he said "whoa, let's try and figure out the first one before we get to 3".
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ALSO, when Smith is interrogating Thomas A. Anderson in the little FBI room, The Architect is watching it through one of those tiny monitors he has so we know there's a bigger picture happening and the people that are like "it's obvious they only had one movie and then it was just a cash grab" can shut it.
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Well....I’ll take your guys word for the fact they had a ‘plan’. But for every person who likes the sequels there are two that didn’t. The first movie was such a refreshing change of pace and ‘new’ feel that in my eyes the sequels failed to match.
We’re they bad movies? They weren’t ‘bad’. They told the story and were serviceable to the franchise. But they didn’t come near the level of authenticity that the first movie conveyed. They felt more ‘Hollywood’ which is something that the first one did not.
I personally am looking forward to wha the next film could bring. And hope it’s more than what the last two did.
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There was definitely a "plan" and an overall story from the get-go. But I cannot discount the feeling that the two sequels also feel a bit disjointed from the first film, and my speculation is that the "real" situation is somewhere in between the two "sides." Something along the lines of: Yes, there was a definite plan and overall storyline. But the specifics of the story likely evolved and changes significantly after the first film was finalized and the next two were actually plotted out and shot. We obviously don't know the extent to which that is true. But that is just generally how these things work. Heck, even with established source material for The Lord of the Rings, that still happened to an extent as Peter Jackson & co. were filming the second and third films and deciding how to best present their screen plays.
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Didn’t know John Wick would be in the new Matrix movie.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn02.cdn.justjared.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fheadlines%2F2020%2F02%2Fmatrix-4-filming.jpg&hash=c9fb2847589c3222c3719a1f2ef5e7e668145828)
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And with Jeri Hogarth, to boot!
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Last thing than Lana wrote and directed was Jupiter Ascending, which I couldn't even make it through and turned off. So I am praying that Matrix 4 turns out decent. I would truly love to have another decent Matrix movie.
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So I am praying that Matrix 4 turns out decent. I would truly love to have another decent Matrix movie.
Yeah. I can't even say I'm cautiously optimistic given how let down I was with Matrix 2 and 3. BUT....SENSE8 was pretty darn good on NETFLIX....so, maybe there's a chance Matrix 4 is a nice return to form. I just hope it's not bogged down with the heavy handed political and social stuff they threw into SENSE8. I looked past it in that series because it was a cool enough show and it was a NETFLIX series. Not sure I want to watch a 2-1/2 hour social commentary movie. There's a time and place for those and I'm not sure M4 is it.... I'd just like to see another cool Matrix movie in the vein of M1.
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Almost no interest in this at all. Did not enjoy 2/3 of the Matrix movies. Did not enjoy really anything the sisters have done since. The characters we see being in this makes no sense thus far to me.
That said, if the trailer comes out and looks great, I'll be more interested. If the movie comes out to good reviews, I'll go see it.
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Anyone see the deepfake where they went the extra mile to blend Office Space and The Matrix?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aau8qa3xgFs
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I'm way more excited for Matrix 4 than I thought I would be. The original and Cloud Atlas are both among my favorite movies but it's no secret the Wachowskis have been a bit hit or miss. I don't even dislike the sequels that much - on one hand they are nowhere near the original but I would argue they are still enjoyable despite their flaws. Still, considering the franchise has had more misses than hits, I still find myself very giddy about seeing this world again. There's just something about Matrix for me.
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I love Cloud Atlas and I will defend it to the bitter end! Never saw Jupiter Ascending, but judging from what I've heard, I'm not missing much.
Matrix 1 is obviously the best, but I also enjoyed most of Reloaded and parts of Revolutions. So I'm ready fo Matrix 4 and hopefully they do the series justice.
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Oh god I forgot about Cloud Atlas. What utter rubbish.
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Oh god I forgot about Cloud Atlas. What utter rubbish.
This guy knows what's up.
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Oh god I forgot about Cloud Atlas. What utter rubbish.
This guy speaks the true true.
I made your post worse.
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lol wtf
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Never saw it.
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Cloud Atlas is approximately 16 hours of my life I will never get back and that's the true true
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Cloud Atlas is almost on par with The Matrix for me, I would rate both 5/5. However I think I still would place The Matrix higher on a ranking list because outside both being phenomenal movies I also have some nostalgic memories for The Matrix in terms of first seeing it and how it kinda blew my mind as a kid.
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Cloud Atlas is almost on par with The Matrix for me, I would rate both 5/5. However I think I still would place The Matrix higher on a ranking list because outside both being phenomenal movies I also have some nostalgic memories for The Matrix in terms of first seeing it and how it kinda blew my mind as a kid.
Yup!
Rest of the guys on this thread can't understand the sheer magnificence of the modern day cinematic masterpiece, that is Cloud Atlas! :biggrin: :biggrin:
Just kidding of course, but a really entertaining movie in my opinion.
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I didin't mind Cloud Atlas. Made me even want to read the book, and Despite being almost 3 hours, I did make it through the whole thing unlike Jupiter Ascending.
I remember enjoying Speed Racer, even though it was all over the place. And for a way more stripped down and just decent, well made movie by them, Bound was really good. No over the top special effects or action. Just a suspenseful, engaging little drama. They made that before the first Matrix.
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I think for me, the only big dud they have is Jupiter Ascending and I still haven't watched it because nothing I have seen from reviews or heard about it has made me want to see it. Yet I know some people argue it's still 'fascinating bad' and not just 'bad'. I feel like even with the Matrix sequels, while they have flaws, and while they don't reach the level of the original, there's still a lot of impressive craft in them and I've had discussions with friends about the sequels for hours about the good and bad (and the choices) and for me that gives them some artistic merit at least. Like they made some ballsy moves and did some choices that didn't necessarily pan out 100%, but the result is still something you can analyze and talk about and that makes the Wachowski's interesting to me.
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Might be a false leak - but apparently The Matrix 4 is called The Matrix Resurrections. Which is the worst title ever. So uninspired.
If you asked me to think of the most obvious title for a Matrix sequel it would have been " Resurrection " and it reminds me of Alien Resurrection which is the worst one.
Matrix Rebooted would make more sense. It would be a nod to the fact that its a new film made long after the original trilogy AND rebooting the system.
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As for Jupiter Ascending - the Wachowskis can definitely direct action - but their writing is terrible.
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I’d have liked to see them explore the first instance of ‘the one’........the one that Morpheus talked about that frees the first of them. So, a prequel.
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I’d have liked to see them explore the first instance of ‘the one’........the one that Morpheus talked about that frees the first of them. So, a prequel.
Yes. Seraph was supposed to be the first 'one'. As in Seraphim - the highest order of angels. Or something.
Apparently The Merovingian is back too - despite him being completely pointless in the sequels. As were most of the characters.
You could take a scene or two out of Reloaded and put them in Revolutions and the story would lose nothing.
One day my brother and I watched all 3 films without a break and Reloaded is literally just filler. Almost nothing happens of consequence.
--- Take the best moments of Reloaded and Revolutions and the live action scenes from The Matrix game - and you might have a One decent movie.
- oh and Revolutions is clearly better than Reloaded. Never got how it was worse.
Plus we clearly need a Prequel trilogy of how everything started - basically what they did on The Animatrix - but as a movie trilogy.
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I mean Reloaded has the awesome highway scene, the chateau fight and Neo fighting Smith(s) in the yard. (Okay that last one isn't one of the best but it's kinda fun)
Revolutions doesn't really have anything to rival the highs of Reloaded IMO. Sure it doesn't have that awful rave or the drawn out sex scene but it's way too focused on the real world and too little Matrix IMO.
I still like both sequels even if they're clearly not as good as the original.
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I much prefer the darker vibe of Revolutions. Bane as Smith was cool. The Zion fight was pretty good and the final Smith VS Neo fight was better than
the one in Reloaded by far. Even if it was pretty inconsequential as all Neo had to do was give up. Plus no Virus Twins. :)
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How about:
The M4trix: C0NTr0L-aLt-D3L3T3