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Title: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: Odysseus on August 29, 2012, 01:56:41 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19402508

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Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil

A notary in the Brazilian state of Sao Paulo has sparked controversy by accepting a civil union between three people.
Public Notary Claudia do Nascimento Domingues has said the man and two women should be entitled to family rights.
She says there is nothing in law to prevent such an arrangement.
But the move has angered some religious groups, while one lawyer described it as "absurd and totally illegal".
The three individuals, who have declined to speak to the press, have lived in Rio de Janeiro together for three years and share bills and other expenses.
Ms Domingues says they have already opened a joint bank account, which is also not prohibited by any law.
According to Globo TV, the union was formalised three months ago, but only became public this week.
Nathaniel Santos Batista Junior, a jurist who helped draft the document, said the idea was to protect their rights in case of separation or death of a partner, Globo reports.
Ms Domingues, who is based in the Sao Paulo city of Tupa, said the move reflected the fact that the idea of a "family" had changed.
"We are only recognising what has always existed. We are not inventing anything."
"For better or worse, it doesn't matter, but what we considered a family before isn't necessarily what we would consider a family today."
But lawyer Regina Beatriz Tavares da Silva told the BBC it was "absurd and totally illegal", and "something completely unacceptable which goes against Brazilian values and morals".
Ms da Silva, who is president of the Commission for the Rights of the Family within the Institute of Lawyers, says the union will not be allowed to remain in place.
Some religious groups have also voiced criticism of the move.
While Ms Domingues has approved the union, it is not clear whether courts, service providers and private companies such as health insurance providers will accept the ruling.


Thoughts?

For me, as long as everyone involved in this particular relationship is cool with it then good luck to them... nothing to do with me.
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: Sigz on August 29, 2012, 02:53:56 PM
I love how they call it a civil union, not a marriage, and yet all the opposition to it is still streaming from religious groups.
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 29, 2012, 02:59:11 PM
It's an interesting concept that I can honestly say I never thought about.


I'm a 100% monogamous guy.  I've never cheated on my wife and I never will.  I don't understand so-called "open" marriages, nor do I get this concept of a "three-person civil union"


But with that said, I'm also very much a "live and let live" kind of person, so from where I sit, if there is no harm to others, why should I give a shit?


 
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: theseoafs on August 29, 2012, 03:15:50 PM
But with that said, I'm also very much a "live and let live" kind of person, so from where I sit, if there is no harm to others, why should I give a shit?

Basically this.  It's not my opinion that there's some great injustice going on in America if three people can't get married together, but I don't see why I or anyone should care that it's already happened.  More power to them.
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: El Barto on August 29, 2012, 03:16:11 PM
I love how they call it a civil union, not a marriage, and yet all the opposition to it is still streaming from religious groups.
Yeah, I noticed that as well.

Bigamy is clearly illegal in Brazil, so I'm not sure how this is even an issue.  You can't have two wives.  And while I support these peopled doing whateverthehell makes them happy, its seems like they're some of those people who are just looking to rock the boat.  They could have protected their interests with a simple civil contract, I suspect. 
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: jammindude on August 29, 2012, 05:16:50 PM
So why not let them?   Why not let them get married?   If the guy can afford it and everyone's happy....
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: Super Dude on August 29, 2012, 06:16:14 PM
So you're okay with a monogamous homosexual marriage then?
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: XJDenton on August 29, 2012, 06:18:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_tk6Wxkaj8&feature=player_detailpage#t=77s

Relevant.
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: PowerSlave on August 29, 2012, 06:27:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_tk6Wxkaj8&feature=player_detailpage#t=77s

Relevant.

This.


Also, why should religious groups have their noses stuck in this? Maybe they're just following old testament views and laws? Some of the greatest historical figures in their holy books had multiple wives. It's rather funny how christians like to pick and choose what parts they want to keep from the old testament but, when they come across a part that's inconvenient for them then they claim to be living under a "new covenant" and ignore it.
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 29, 2012, 11:49:50 PM
I love how they call it a civil union, not a marriage, and yet all the opposition to it is still streaming from religious groups.

Damn good point dude.
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: jammindude on September 04, 2012, 11:25:45 PM
So you're okay with a monogamous homosexual marriage then?

I'm indifferent.   This is basically a political issue, and I'm apolitical.     
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: yorost on September 05, 2012, 07:38:05 AM
Basically, the government should stay out of unions, just let private contracts rule the day if people want to make it legally binding.  It's a personal thing and people should have a right to define their unions.  It's not like standard contracts won't form for people who just want to be simple about it.  Religious groups can sponsor the types of unions they permit within their own memberships.  ...I know it won't make everyone happy being unable to force their beliefs on everyone else, but boo hoo.  As far as I can see, taxes are the biggest reason to personally want government mandated unions, but tax codes can change.

One issue with private contracts is the potential cult situation where people become manipulated into excessive unions of this type, but it's not like we don't have union fraud right now.  In some sense, a line does need to be drawn somewhere, but where? 
Title: Re: Three-person civil union sparks controversy in Brazil
Post by: jammindude on September 05, 2012, 09:19:48 AM
Basically, the government should stay out of unions, just let private contracts rule the day if people want to make it legally binding.  It's a personal thing and people should have a right to define their unions.  It's not like standard contracts won't form for people who just want to be simple about it.  Religious groups can sponsor the types of unions they permit within their own memberships.  ...I know it won't make everyone happy being unable to force their beliefs on everyone else, but boo hoo.  As far as I can see, taxes are the biggest reason to personally want government mandated unions, but tax codes can change.

One issue with private contracts is the potential cult situation where people become manipulated into excessive unions of this type, but it's not like we don't have union fraud right now.  In some sense, a line does need to be drawn somewhere, but where?

With the current politics being what they are in this world...this solution would seem to make the most sense.