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Title: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on August 26, 2012, 07:12:01 AM
So, let's see if this can take hold. I always thought it was a pity that this subforum doesn't see much activity, so let's hope we can bring a change to that, by having a chat thread here, specifically dedicated to musicians, people in bands, the hobbying guitarists or those who like to sing in the shower.

First off, some information about my life as a 'musician', I play the guitar mainly, but have played the saxophone before. I can sing reasonably well enough to do backing vocals in a band, but not well enough for lead vocals, though I have done that as well. I'm currently also trying to learn the piano (which isn't getting nearly enough time and the thing is bascially collecting dust in the meantime, but hey, I try) and I play in two bands at the moment, a coverband and a progressive rock/metal band.

I have played in bands since I was 9-10 years old and have played at least something in almost every genre (taking genres broadly, not through subgenres).

So that's it for me. Let's open up some chat here, and if not, well, then this thread will have been a failure, but I suppose that doesn't really matter, since no-one looks here anyway. Let's go!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 26, 2012, 07:22:40 AM
Guitarist/trumpet player/pianist here. I'm majoring in music education, so I ended up on trumpet because they don't have a metal guitar program at my university (I really wish they did though). I've put out 6 albums as "The Biscuit Merchant" with pretty horrible production/mixing/programmed drums and bass, but I think the songs are mostly pretty good. I played piano for about 7 years when I was a kid, but I gave it up in favor of guitar, and now I'm wishing I hadn't given it up.

Shredding some Megadeth (the opening tapping stuff sounds like shit, but the rest is better): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUnW6nm-eM
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 26, 2012, 07:33:11 AM
I hit objects with sticks. 

I'm also learning composition and some production on the side, as well. 

I've not been involved in a band, outside of school stuff. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: splent on August 26, 2012, 07:55:14 AM
Vocalist 1st, keyboardist 2nd.  Can also play a little guitar and a little bass.  I am a music teacher, I just got a job teaching choir and general music at a new high school that just opened last year in Chicago.  We'll see how that goes.

I have been involved in a couple of bands in the past, including a Gentle Giant tribute band.  Those are now on hiatus, and I'm now in another band that plays prog.  We'll see if that takes off, we've only had one practice.  The drummer is in another band who has a big gig in a couple of weeks and we'll practice after that. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on August 26, 2012, 08:18:11 AM
Crap keyboardist first, slightly less crap bassist second and aspiring-to-not-be-crap guzheng player third. I record with a friend of mine (but progress is always slow) in a sort of prog-project. I seem to have developed a complete obsession with Chinese music, so that comes out slightly in said project, but I plan to have a later project more dedicated to it. I've never played live, but would quite like to, but for the moment, recording is very interesting to me, and I am also avidly collecting basses (currently have a modified squier P, a fretless and an eight string (octave), and am waiting for a 5 string to arrive).
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: WindMaster on August 26, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
I hit objects with sticks. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 26, 2012, 12:43:53 PM
Originally I am a drummer but now I play more guitar than drums. I also play bass and know the absolute basics of keyboard/piano. I write music constantly and am very proud of the recent stuff I have made. I write mostly progressive music under the name of Black Ink and I make all sorts of prog stuff like 20+ minute songs and complicated concept albums.

I will start recording with a friend soon.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: carl320 on August 26, 2012, 02:57:17 PM
I play bass, guitar and a little bit of keyboard/piano.  I like playing guitar but bass is my calling (at least musically).  I play in a worship band occasionally and have been working on some music with a friend, but not much else.

I played piano for about 7 years when I was a kid, but I gave it up in favor of guitar, and now I'm wishing I hadn't given it up.

This.  I took lessons for 5 years and stopped when I got my first bass.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 26, 2012, 04:35:54 PM
I started on the piano at age 10.  As it happened, my piano teacher's annual recital was three months after I started my lessons, and I played a third-year piece.  I figured okay, I can play piano, don't need any more lessons.  I was an arrogant little snot and honestly did not understand the whole idea of taking lessons for years and years like some people do.  My sister took lessons for like 10 years.  After a couple months, I could read and work the pedals, so I could play the piano as far as I was concerned.  So I quit.

I picked up the flute that year in school, because I wanted to learn a band instrument and it was the smallest, lightest instrument, and I knew I'd be carrying it to and from school.  That was the only reason.  Once again, my choices were colored by laziness and arrogance.  Sitting there in 5th-grade band class every Tuesday and Thursday, I heard Mrs. Pence constantly trying to teach four instruments at once (flute, clarinet, cornet, and trombone) so I basically learned them all just listening to her.  My best friend played trombone and let me borrow it sometimes, and I got pretty good.  I bought a used cornet from the kid across the street and learned to play that, too.  The girl down the street had a clarinet, and that was kinda different.  Boehm system, so it fingers the same, but the register key kicks you up a 12th when you press it and everything shifts.  Whose idea was that?

In high school, I picked up saxophone.  Boehm system again, so it fingers the same, and the register key is an octave, so that made it easy.  In the pit orchestra for the local theater, I told the director I could play Reed 1, which required flute, alto sax, and clarinet, so I actually had to learn to play a clarinet properly.  I still hate the damned thing, but I can play it.

I don't have a great voice, but I have some range and can sing in tune, so I tried out for the madrigal singers my senior year, and actually made it.  I'm naturally a baritone, but we had two basses and no tenors, so I sang tenor (badly IMO).  My senior year in high school was all about music.  I played piano in the jazz band, sax in the symphonic band, and clarinet in the concert band (I just wanted to see if I could do it).  After school, madrigal singers.  Good times.

Somewhere in there, I started playing keyboards in bands, and haven't really stopped.  So I'm going on like 40 years playing in bands of one kind or another.

I wanted to be a band director, so Music Education was my first major.  It made sense; I can play all the instruments.  Also, my favorite teacher was my band director.  Very, very cool dude.  But let's just say that I and the music faculty at Michigan State University have somewhat different ideas of what constitutes a good musician.  So that didn't work out.

These days I sing tenor in the church choir, lead the praise band, and play in another praise band at another church when they need me.  I play keyboards and woodwinds, sing background vocals, and will sing lead vocals if no one else knows the words, but honestly I'd rather just play.

This morning, we gave the organist the day off (it's her birthday) and led the entire service.  Led the hymns, did the anthem and offertory, doxology, opening and closing music, everything.  It was awesome.  There's me, a couple guys who can play some guitar, a guy who plays violin, and a girl who plays flute.  I do all the arrangements, and we all sing.  Our benediction response was a fourfold Amen, a cappella, seven voices.  It was sweet.  Yesterday, we played at a semi-secular thing at the church and did a set of Beatles songs, and I accompanied a guy doing a set of show tunes.  That was pretty sweet, too.

Music is the best.  I pretty much play music any chance I can get (in case you couldn't tell).
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on August 26, 2012, 04:52:51 PM
Cool story! That's pretty awesome if you can play all kinds of different instruments. Makes you versatile and I suppose it makes you a better musician as well. I guess I don't really have enough time to learn everything I'd like to.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Metropolaris on August 26, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
I play guitar, bass, drums, mandolin, piano, trombone, xylophone/marimba, and I'm a decent singer. Guitar is my main instrument though. I've been playing for about 5 years and I've gotten pretty good at it. I'm also in the percussion section in marching band at my high school
Me and a friend(he plays keys/bass) have been trying to start a band for years, but we can't find a drummer. I can play drums, but I don't own a set and there's no room in my house for one. We've written some original stuff. Nothing special, but it's about 2 albums worth of material. I write most of the riffs and lyrics, Alex(my friend) helps me actually piece it together into an actual song.


I also play a mean Kazoo.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: necrotomist on August 27, 2012, 02:10:53 AM
I've been a guitarplayer for over 12 years now. Started out on an acoustic with only 3 strings remaining, trying out Nirvana and RHCP on hearing.
Got my first electric guitar a year later, a cheap Ibanez 7 string (from 3 to 7 strings is pretty shocking at first, haha).
Besides some advice from a more experienced friend, I never took any lessons or anything. Just figured out stuff on my own...

Started a couple of bands with *mindblowing-avantgarde* names such as 'New World Order' and 'Neowar' which was a lot of fun ;)

Ultimatly started something more serious with more experienced musicians called THE END OF ALL REASON (https://www.facebook.com/TheEndOfAllReason (https://www.facebook.com/TheEndOfAllReason)). We had a lot of downers the last couple of years but we're still trying to get our new album out there.

Currently working on a side project with my brother (who plays drums in my main band as well). It's way more proggy and hasn't anything to do with Death metal.
No recording plans so far though, still working out the songs.

That's a about it I guess!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on August 27, 2012, 05:50:52 AM
Piano player and composer over here.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MetalMike06 on August 27, 2012, 10:51:24 PM
Been playing guitar since I was 16. I played violin from when I was 8 until I was 18. Taken a few piano lessons, but had to stop due to financial reasons. I really would love to learn more piano/keys and be able to compose film score sort of stuff more easily. Plus I just love metal with a lot of synth and general symphonic-ness.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2012, 04:37:54 AM
Guitarist here, of about 16 years.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Dellers on August 29, 2012, 07:25:26 AM
I'm a bassist most of the time, but do play other instruments regularly (and used to play a lot of sax from 1995 until a couple of years back, just don't have the time right now). Just finished a 14 minute long progressive metal/rock song with a few oriental influences in it, where I played bass, guitar, keys, electric drums (and therefore being able to get it in time afterwards...) and sang. I cannot sing or write lyrics though, but I kinda needed some vocals musically. Also I'm doing some bass work for people over the internet. I haven't been able to find any interesting band yet, so I'd rather make music for myself instead.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 29, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
You know what really frustrates me?  Instruments that I can't play.  I can play keyboards and woodwinds no problem, been doing it since I was 10.  Brass, I have a working knowledge of.  I know the valve combinations and trombone positions, and with practice I can get up to speed, though my embouchure isn't the greatest.

But stringed and fretted instruments just confound me.  I know the theory, I know that each fret or position is a half step, and I know the intervals between strings and, in theory, how to combine them into chords.  It's just another instrumental technique, and I should be able to do it.  But getting my left hand to contort itself into the necessary positions drives me crazy.  I just can't seem to do it.

Guys who can play both keyboards and any kind of stringed or fretted instrument amaze me.  It's like music from two different, alien worlds, and they can do them both.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: necrotomist on August 29, 2012, 07:55:37 AM
It's like music from two different, alien worlds, and they can do them both.

I myself (as a guitar player) don't struggle too much while attempting to play the piano for instance. And  I always considered my guitar background as the main reason for that... Weird!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 29, 2012, 09:15:08 AM
It's certainly two different styles of playing music. But I actually find, in both types, things that are easier than the other type so I can grasp certain aspects of both.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 29, 2012, 09:59:02 AM
One of my best friends started as a guitarist and now plays some keyboards in his band.  I'm jealous as hell.  He says it's really not that different; each string is just its own keyboard, and you really just have to keep track of six notes at a time.  Wow, thanks dude, that doesn't help a bit. :(

Seriously, I'm sure it was meant to be helpful, but he's got a grip on it and putting it into words has got to be tough.  It just didn't help me as much as he thought it would.

What I really need to do is actually sit and practice with a guitar more, which I don't do because I suck and I get too frustrated.  Every other instrument I've tried, I've played actually songs on in minutes.  Guitars... not so much.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on August 29, 2012, 12:22:26 PM
To be honest, I suck with standard guitars, but I can handle bass because it tends to just be simple patterns that can be applied all over. (Guitars have that wierdly tuned B string and play chords, and my hands do not like to do that crazy twisting).

I would love to get good at dizi (a bamboo flute) as I own one, but never got round to learning it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on August 31, 2012, 04:49:35 PM
To be honest, I suck with standard guitars, but I can handle bass because it tends to just be simple patterns that can be applied all over. (Guitars have that wierdly tuned B string and play chords, and my hands do not like to do that crazy twisting).

It takes some time getting used to, I suppose, but if you persist anything can be learned.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on September 02, 2012, 02:53:17 AM
True, true.

Have you ever got a song stuck in your head with an unusual (for your type of music) scale, and then come up with something based on that?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on September 02, 2012, 04:02:26 AM
I make music. My instrument is the guitar. Sometimes it's embarrassing to say that I play guitar because everyone plays guitar and people just assume I'm just another guitar player. I don't think I'm the greatest shredder out there, but I write music from my heart not my brain. I write progressive metal music, but nothing like DT. My writing style is very much like that of Mark Tremonti from the band Alter Bridge. The only thing DT like about my music is it's attitude. Kinda hard to explain.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on September 02, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
True, true.

Have you ever got a song stuck in your head with an unusual (for your type of music) scale, and then come up with something based on that?

Absolutely. :)
For some weird reason I 'write' the most of my music in the shower or while cycling, in my head.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on September 03, 2012, 02:33:11 AM
Happens to m too. I would have a song stuck in my head, try playing it on the guitar or something and eventually it evolves into something different enough for me to use it as my own.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Zydar on September 03, 2012, 02:40:59 AM
Guitarist/bass player here. I started playing guitar when I was about 10 (20 years ago), and switched to the bass guitar about 4 years ago. Now I play the bass in a band, and I love it. Having played the guitar so many years before switching really made the transition a lot easier. I mainly play root oriented stuff, but have begun breaking out of that and try to come up with nice patterns and riffs for variation. I play with a pick about 90% of the time, since I like the attack I'm getting on the strings (and I'm so used to it since my guitar playing days), but I'm trying to play without a pick more and more now for versatility.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on September 03, 2012, 02:47:21 AM
Cool, what kind of music do you play mostly?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Zydar on September 03, 2012, 05:47:01 AM
Cool, what kind of music do you play mostly?

We play rock/pop, in the vein of bands like Foo Fighters and Sahara Hotnights.

Here's our two most recent songs we've written and recorded:

Until The End (https://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10123430?utm_campaign=opengraph&utm_content=song&utm_medium=link&utm_source=facebook)
Supernova (https://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_9426377?utm_campaign=opengraph&utm_content=song&utm_medium=link&utm_source=facebook)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on September 05, 2012, 01:24:56 PM
Yeah, so it's becoming increasingly likely that if it's not possible to find a pipa player who can also either sing or play instruments more commonly found in rock (ie. Guitar/keys/maybe even violin, reeds or woodwinds) that I may have to go and get one and teach myself to play it (I have a friend who said she'd play it on some things as a session musician, but she's very difficult to get hold of sometimes).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipa (for anyone wondering what the balls a pipa is)

Well, here's to collecting chinese folk instruments, I guess...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on September 05, 2012, 04:50:21 PM
Cool stuff Zydar!

I actually knew what a pipa is (musicology student, yay!), but good luck practising that.
I'm currently learning the guitar solo in Innocence Faded (basically the whole end), for some reason I hadn't done that before.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on September 06, 2012, 06:42:59 AM
Nice. That solo is so damn good. Good luck with it.
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Post by: Dekost on September 06, 2012, 07:08:58 AM
Keyboard/piano player and composer here :)
https://soundcloud.com/dekost (https://soundcloud.com/dekost) That's my soundcloud page if you want to check out some of my stuff
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: OsMosis2259 on September 06, 2012, 08:46:56 AM
Songwriter here... My main instrument is guitar and I contribute on vocals. I also play the drums and the bass as well and overall just enjoy writing/recording music at my home as a hobby.

Genre that I usually play is hard rock/metal/alternative/acoustic etc.

Here is the latest song that I recorded and put up on youtube a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCj24QG_P7Q

The guitars are in Drop Db tuning recorded through Line 6 POD HD
Created the drums in ezDrummer
Used a condenser mic for vocals
Mixed in Reaper

Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on September 07, 2012, 10:05:58 AM
Keyboard/piano player and composer here :)
https://soundcloud.com/dekost (https://soundcloud.com/dekost) That's my soundcloud page if you want to check out some of my stuff
Listening now. Opinion so far; Lithe Fluctuation is really great, nice flow and great sense of melody.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Jay.Ess on September 07, 2012, 04:16:36 PM
Another guitarist here :)
I try keep things fairly versatile, I want to eventually focus a bit more on the fusion improvising side of things, (ala Guthrie Govan in a way) but at the moment I play stuff ranging from prog metal to jazz to rockabilly haha. I try and embrace and incorporate as many different musical styles/genres as I can into my playing, I feel that each has something interesting to offer that can be taken and expanded upon to form my own ideas. :)
Here's a video of me playing Tender Surrender for my school exam about a month ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4tphugqwb0&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4tphugqwb0&feature=plcp) (Maybe skip to the solo at around 2:00 to get a quick idea!)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on September 08, 2012, 01:32:50 AM
W00t! A thread in Musicians that has reached the second page. This is truly a historical event!!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on September 08, 2012, 03:40:51 AM
Awesome! :) That was the point of the thread actually, to get people over here to talk about their music playing. I know there's a lot of musicians on DTF, so I'm glad people come here to post stuff.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2012, 03:42:05 AM
Cool stuff Zydar!

Thanks! (Sorry for the late reply)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on September 09, 2012, 06:57:26 AM
W00t! A thread in Musicians that has reached the second page. This is truly a historical event!!

For a minute I thought I was about to crash die of shock.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on September 13, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
Well, let's not stop it here then!
Does anybody else here sometimes feel like they're not playing enough music to improve? I have that a lot, that I feel like I've wasted time I could have spent practicing.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2012, 10:18:40 AM
I don't get to play as much as I'd like.  Practice at home, I mean.  It takes time spent practicing your craft to keep your skills up, and even more to actually improve.  My situation kinda sucks because the only time I would get to play is at home in the evenings, after the kids have gone to bed.  And of course I can't play the piano or sax after the kids are in bed.  I might be able to get away with the flute.

Yeah, I could set up my keyboards and use the headphones.  I do that sometimes.  But it's still not the same as just sitting and communing with the piano for hours and hours like in the old days.  And I've got 88 plastic keys, but it's still not the same as sitting at a real piano.

Something that kinda makes up for that, however, is that I've been doing a bit of arranging for the church band, and that's been both fun and pretty fulfilling.  We have a guy who plays violin and a girl who plays flute, so when we do songs that have notable lead lines and/or hook lines, they play them.  This past Sunday, we did a song that has an orchestral break, and I wrote up parts for the flute and violin, to play it, and I backed it up on the keyboards.  I used the trick where you have the flute and violin in harmony, with the flute underneath, and it sounds really full because of how their timbres compliment each other.

Meanwhile I was playing a basic piano patch for most of the song, but went to double voice at the break (piano+strings) to full it up a bit, and it sounded really sweet.  Someone actually commented afterwards about how well we synched up with the prerecorded track; it added a lot and made it sound really full.  No tricks here, folks, we played all that live.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on September 13, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
I would love to play more than I do, but being in my senior year, time's severly limited. Still, I've begun playing in a band, which is probably help me improve anyway, so we'll see where that takes me.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: jsem on September 13, 2012, 01:32:39 PM
About practice, 10K hours rule apply if you want to master your instrument.

For me:
Saxophone first, piano second, guitar third (mostly funk or jazz/swing, not much metal anymore... can't shred and never bothered to learn).
I can also play bass if necessary, including the upright bass. I can hold a good enough beat on drums, but can't do anything fancy.

I also love composing, but lately also arranging. I can sit with songs on the piano forever arranging.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2012, 01:59:36 PM
I guess I consider that to be a different kind of arranging.  I'm not sure what I'd call it exactly, but I think I know what you're talking about.

Like a lot of pianists, I started off with piano lessons, and amused myself playing popular music from sheet music, usually arranged for piano/vocal/chords.  My sister started buying a lot of them, but I guess I ended up with a bunch, too.  Sometimes the arrangements were really simple, designed to be easy enough for most people to play, and sometimes they obviously took a little more care to get all the chords right and include the instrumental breaks and stuff.  I always liked to see if I could take it even further.  Keep adding and embellishing the arrangement until I have something truly worthy of a solo piano piece.  Like if you went into a club and there's a guy playing the piano, the stuff he'd be playing, with big, full chords and a bit of flash, not something that sounds like "Top 80's Hits for Easy Piano, Volume 3".
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Post by: jsem on September 13, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
Consider what to be a different kind of arranging than what? ???
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Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Well, I was talking about taking existing songs and adapting them to work with our band.  Writing out parts for the violin and flute to play, working out (though not actually writing down) parts for me to play to make it all sound better.  I consider that arranging.  Coming up with a unique arrangement of the song.

When you said "I can sit with songs on the piano forever arranging" I took that to mean coming up with piano arrangements of things, which I consider a different type of arranging.  Sure, it's the same basic thing; taking a piece of music of doing something different with it, but cooking up piano arrangements feels a lot more natural to me, since you only have to worry about ten notes at a time, not what other instruments and players are doing, etc.

Or is that not what you meant? ???
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on September 14, 2012, 02:20:01 AM
Hmm... If we can pull someone in to play flute, I may have to attempt that flute/violin double team.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: 02T on September 14, 2012, 05:11:53 AM
I'm a guitarist who initially started singing because that was the only way to have input into the cover tunes we did. I played guitar in the Army for almost nine years, and have just gotten out to move back home to be near my kids.

I am playing with an acoustic duo (our third gig is tonight), solo, and with an 80s new wave cover band, as well as sitting in with different groups around town, trying to break into the scene.

My first EP is due out October 2. Acoustic, all improvised, recorded outdoors in and around Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado. It's basically completely different from anything else I do. But I am making it happen.

After a lifetime of resistance to it, I am finally trying to learn the marketing and promotion aspect of the business. Once I stopped focusing on the fact that I had no idea how to do any of it, and just decided I was doing it, it all started coming together.

Additionally, I play percussion with a local wind ensemble, The Desert Winds, that performs mostly contemporary classical works.

My website is bradbaileymusic.com (https://bradbaileymusic.com) and my facebook page is facebook.com/BradBaileyGTR (https://facebook.com/BradBaileyGTR)

When I was playing in the Army, I rarely practiced outside of work, because I was playing so much during the day. It was difficult staying inspired by music. Every once in a while you need a kick in the ass, realizing you do the coolest thing in the world, and if you aren't happy, you are the problem.

I still need that reminder, because I've been working so hard at readying my CD and getting established in the local scene, that it takes the focus off of how fun and awesome playing music is.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Onno on September 14, 2012, 09:09:09 AM
Drummer here, for about 4 years now. I haven't played much for the last year though, because I moved out to Utrecht (where my university is) and my drumkit was still at my parents' house. I just bought an electronic drum kit so that I can practice the whole week instead of one or two days a week.

Problem is, I'm not much good yet. And I overused my leg muscles (I have flat feet) while on fieldwork for my study, so my doublebass drumming is absolutely crap now. Luckily, I received my arch supports today (is that the right word for it? google says it is), so I can finally begin to recover and start playing normally again.

Well, let's not stop it here then!
Does anybody else here sometimes feel like they're not playing enough music to improve? I have that a lot, that I feel like I've wasted time I could have spent practicing.
Yeah, I have that sometimes. Especially when practicing doublebass, I feel I need to practice longer and longer do make even a small bit of progress. I kinda regret sometimes that I still can't play some songs while I've had my drum kit for 4 years and my doublebass pedal for 3 years (i.e. Raining Blood by Slayer)
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Post by: jsem on September 14, 2012, 09:38:38 AM
Well, I was talking about taking existing songs and adapting them to work with our band.  Writing out parts for the violin and flute to play, working out (though not actually writing down) parts for me to play to make it all sound better.  I consider that arranging.  Coming up with a unique arrangement of the song.

When you said "I can sit with songs on the piano forever arranging" I took that to mean coming up with piano arrangements of things, which I consider a different type of arranging.  Sure, it's the same basic thing; taking a piece of music of doing something different with it, but cooking up piano arrangements feels a lot more natural to me, since you only have to worry about ten notes at a time, not what other instruments and players are doing, etc.

Or is that not what you meant? ???
Well, it could be both. I could be sitting with a song, and then thinking, hey... this instrument could play this, and this instrument could play this... let's see if I can get the sax section to play this riff right here, and check harmonies and if it's in the proper range of the instruments... all kinds of good stuff. Or I just do SATB arranging or just a piano arrangement. Mostly the first case though, I get carried away a lot.
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 14, 2012, 06:55:42 PM
Piano is great fun to dick around with. It's been a major catalyst in my ability to understand theory. I can experiment with all the different, funky chords and how they resolve.
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Post by: Orbert on September 14, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
Yep, I tell people that it's the easiest instrument to play, 'cause all the notes are just laid out right in front of you.  You just have to hit them in the right order and in the right combinations.  I'm being a smartass, of course, but in a way, that's exactly how I think of it.  I can sit at the piano and just commune with it for hours.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2012, 04:55:19 AM
I play mostly guitar.  Nothing flashy, no lead stuff here, pretty much rhythm with accents.  I love it.  Mostly play at church.  My family also has a group, with my wife as lead singer, me on acoustic guitar/background vocals, and my daughter on percussion (djembe, shakers, tambourine, rain stick, whatever else she can scrounge up).

I also love playing drums, and I'm getting to do that for this month at church.  I feel more expressive and in-control playing drums than I do playing guitar.

I also dabble in bass, but my opportunities to play bass are few and far between.  But bass is fun as hell.

I would love to play keyboard, but I have never been able to get into it.
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Post by: Zook on September 15, 2012, 08:25:58 AM
I'm totally a musician.
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Post by: jsem on September 15, 2012, 11:08:44 AM
Yep, I tell people that it's the easiest instrument to play, 'cause all the notes are just laid out right in front of you.  You just have to hit them in the right order and in the right combinations.  I'm being a smartass, of course, but in a way, that's exactly how I think of it.  I can sit at the piano and just commune with it for hours.
Well, in my opinion, chord playing is in a lot of cases easier on the guitar. You're limited to fewer colorings but it's just as easy to play in any key, which is not possible on the piano - I mean, Db and F# are the worst keys I know to play in.
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Post by: Elite on September 15, 2012, 11:18:33 AM
But chords are lined out very easily on a piano, whereas on a guitar there's some 'standard' shapes that don't always sound very well when they follow each other up. Chord playing on a piano completely slays chord playing on guitar, because you can basically see EXACTLY what notes you're hitting.
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Post by: Sketchy on September 15, 2012, 11:28:06 AM
I do like using the piano for attempting to form chordal ideas, but I like the patterniness that stringed instruments have (particularly those with consistent tuning intervals between strings).
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Post by: jsem on September 15, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
But chords are lined out very easily on a piano, whereas on a guitar there's some 'standard' shapes that don't always sound very well when they follow each other up. Chord playing on a piano completely slays chord playing on guitar, because you can basically see EXACTLY what notes you're hitting.
The voicing is obviously hugely important, and lead tones... so it doesn't clash with the melody, but if you know that much you don't have much to stand in your way of chord playing on guitar.
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Post by: Elite on September 15, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
well, I suppose you're right, but there's a huge difference between just playing your E, Em, A and Am barre chords up and down the next and actually trying to find voicings that go well together. The latter is definitely easier on the piano, but also not impossible on guitar. It just takes a different way of learning chords, which isn't really as linear either on a guitar as it is on a piano.
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Post by: Scorpion on September 28, 2012, 07:17:49 AM
Chat thread revival! For those people that play more than one instrument, which one do you prefer, and why? I'm pretty curious how that is, seeing that I only play piano myself.
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Post by: Orbert on September 28, 2012, 08:46:13 AM
I play mostly piano, flute, and saxophone, and my preference tends to vary according to mood, or musical situation.

In a band, I find it easier to play piano/keyboards because it's easier to find something that will add color or texture to what the band is doing.  Piano is also my preferred instrument if I'm home alone and have some time to play.

We have regaular campfire/singalongs at the home of one of the guys from our church, and after dinner, people break out the guitars.  Recently, we've had guys add violin, djembe, and banjo, so I've started bringing my flute.  In that kind of situation, it's easier to add a countermelody or a well-known instrumental hook to whatever's going on.  Playing flute at home alone is also kinda cool when I'm feeling more mellow.

I haven't played sax regularly for a while now.  In marching band, it was the best.  With a saxophone, you can blast, you can really get obnoxious.  Sax is also great for soloing in a band situation, but it's too loud for campfire singalongs.  I haven't sat and chilled with my sax alone for a while.  I should do that sometime, get my chops back in shape.
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Post by: Elite on September 28, 2012, 09:41:24 AM
Phew! I play the guitar, saxophone and the piano. I also sing a little here and there. I definitely prefer the guitar, because it's the instrument I feel most comfortable with and I'm the most proficient with. It used to be the saxophone, but to be honest, I have kind of neglected it for too long. I'm still in the process of learning the piano, so that one's completely out of question. As for singing, I'm kind of comfortable doing it with or in front of people I know, but for a huge crowd I prefer to just keep my mouth shut. I did however sing (part of) a song at my last gig (while paying the guitar at the same time).
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Post by: Orbert on September 28, 2012, 10:09:55 AM
Saxophone Neglectors Unite!
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Post by: Elite on September 29, 2012, 05:40:58 AM
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Post by: Sketchy on September 29, 2012, 06:07:48 AM
I'd love to play saxophone, and certainly want it to be involved in at least one project...

However, new bass has arrived in the shop (finally), so I shall pick it up on monday.
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Post by: carl320 on September 29, 2012, 09:31:35 AM
Well, let's not stop it here then!
Does anybody else here sometimes feel like they're not playing enough music to improve? I have that a lot, that I feel like I've wasted time I could have spent practicing.

I don't play much at all.  I work a lot through the week so I don't feel like playing/practicing when I get home (which is usually pretty late).  I do play in the worship band at church, so I'm trying to play somewhat regularly :lol
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Post by: Mosh on September 29, 2012, 02:58:26 PM
Chat thread revival! For those people that play more than one instrument, which one do you prefer, and why? I'm pretty curious how that is, seeing that I only play piano myself.
Hello Chat Thread. I play guitar, alto saxophone, clarinet, and piano. I prefer guitar by far. One reason is that I am most proficient on it, and I also feel that my guitar playing has more personality than my playing on any of the other instruments. And if I'm going to write music, 90% of the time it will be on guitar.

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Post by: Orbert on September 29, 2012, 04:45:28 PM
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Post by: Metropolaris on September 29, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
Marching Band Competition today.
We won: Best Music in our class, First Place in our class, and First Place overall in our division


Needless to say, I'm pretty fucking hyped right now.  :metal
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Post by: Orbert on September 29, 2012, 06:54:35 PM
Marching Band was the best part of high school!  Dammit, I loved everything about it.

What can possibly be cooler than playing big, ballsy arrangements of songs in the great outdoors?  Playing big, ballsy arrangements of songs in the great outdoors, while marching around in precision formations and making patterns and other cool shit!

When I got to college the first time, I majored in Music Education, and was bummed to find out that most of the marching band was not Music majors.  They just didn't have the time for it because of all those stupid 1- and 2-credit classes we had to take (which still took up a couple hours a week each).  So I didn't march in college.  But man, our high school marching band was awesome.
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Post by: WindMaster on September 29, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Wow, a third page!
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Post by: Metropolaris on September 29, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
3rd post on the 3rd page.

#fuckyeah
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Post by: carl320 on September 29, 2012, 10:34:25 PM
There's nothing like jamming with old friends, especially when you know each other so well musically that you can almost "finish each other's sentences".

Great feeling  :tup
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Post by: Elite on September 30, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
Why do I want this so badly? :lol

(https://resources.ibanez.com/resourceservicehost/images/Ibanez/web/ProductMainZoom/test/RG1XXVFYE.jpg)
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Post by: Scorpion on September 30, 2012, 12:50:18 PM
Because it looks pretty god damn nice?
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Post by: Onno on September 30, 2012, 01:07:25 PM
Is it the yellow?
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Post by: WindMaster on September 30, 2012, 01:16:37 PM
That's a pretty awesome guitar.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 30, 2012, 01:25:40 PM
Electronic yellow is a lie. Anyways cool guitar, add 2 strings and give it to mee.
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Post by: Elite on September 30, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
It's most likely the yellow, yes  :biggrin: I'm really thinking of getting one, but I can't exactly lose the money, I would need to plunder my savings.
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Post by: Ryzee on October 02, 2012, 01:10:36 PM
I guess I missed this thread for awhile but wanted to stop by to announce that I am also a musician, been playing guitar, drums & bass for about 20 years now.  Mainly guitar. 

That yellow Ibanez is pretty cool.  An old buddy of mine has one that's very similar.  I think it has a maple neck though. 
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Post by: Mosh on October 02, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Got a school performance tomorrow, Will be playing Henry Mancini's Baby Elephant Walk in a Clarinet Quartet.
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Post by: Elite on October 09, 2012, 05:27:42 AM
Cool, how did it go?

I have the performance night from my study's association tomorrow. I'm going to do two things; a song by my band with a singer and a pianist (me on guitar and backing vocals) and some weird spaced out shit, similar to Terry Riley's 'In C' or work by Steve Reich with two guitars and a violin.

Everything has to be acoustic, since it will be in a small theater. We're not allowed to make much noise.
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Post by: Mosh on October 09, 2012, 06:42:24 PM
Cool, how did it go?
Went really well, everyone loved it.

Good luck with yours!  :tup
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Post by: Elite on October 14, 2012, 02:54:43 PM
Thanks, it was horrible :lol
the singer completely screwed up and I couldn't hold my laughter at the end :P
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Post by: Scorpion on October 14, 2012, 02:57:08 PM
Thanks, it was horrible :lol
the singer completely screwed up and I couldn't hold my laughter at the end :P

That probably went over well. :P
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Post by: Elite on October 14, 2012, 02:58:59 PM
It was weird, the audience started laughing as well, since it was apparently very visible that I was keeping the laughter inside until I couldn't hold it anymore :lol

The improvisation thing went very well though :)
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Post by: Scorpion on October 14, 2012, 03:02:38 PM
Improvisation is something that I really love, actually. That's the biggest reason why I switched my piano teacher a few years ago - the old one was a very much "by-the-book" guy and that didn't fit what I wanted anymore.
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Post by: Elite on October 14, 2012, 03:08:03 PM
Yeah, I know man. I was a member of a music(al) club who did all kinds off stuff, including bandcoaching for children's bands (I was a bandcoach) and I was in a band that only played improvisational pieces. Every first Tuesday of the month there was some sort of open mic night, to which people came, took place behind and instrument and started jamming. Usually you'd play with people you didn't know and everything was improvised on the fly. Amazing times and very cool stuff.
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Post by: Scorpion on October 14, 2012, 03:12:16 PM
I'd love to do something like that!

I'm in a big band at the moment, and that's definitely fun, but I still wish sometimes that it were a bit freeer (lol), the only times where I can really let loose, so to speak, is in the solo parts, but even that is strongly reglemented, with chord structures and length and stuff - a bit more freedom would definitely add some fun there.
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Post by: Elite on October 14, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
Yeah, it was definitely fun and challenging. You really had to keep an eye on and listen to what everyone else was doing in order to make sense of what was going on. We didn't rely on chords, scales or even rhythms, everything just came and went away on the fly, so there's a huge aspect of improvisational skill and musical proficiency involved. Also I found out that the more I did it, the better I got, not necessarily at playing my instrument, but at becoming aware what was happening and how to interact and apply the stuff that was happening not only to myself, but also to take it across to the people I was playing with. You really get a sense of ACTUALLY creating music that way.

I don't know if the above sentences make sense, let me know if they don't :lol
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Post by: Scorpion on October 14, 2012, 03:23:22 PM
It does make sense.

I think. :lol
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Post by: Elite on October 14, 2012, 03:31:06 PM
:tup
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Post by: Elite on October 27, 2012, 08:43:36 AM
Yay, another (short) gig coming up tonight at a Halloween party. We gonna rock that shit yo.
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Post by: Sketchy on October 27, 2012, 09:26:47 AM
I've decided I want to learn to make things more atmospheric and groove laden. Hence, I have decided to make an electronica project which may involve many ambient sounds being used to make backing grooves.
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Post by: Elite on November 06, 2012, 04:27:44 PM
YES First band practice in weeks with my prog/metal band next Thursday.
Also, bumping this thread to make it live again :)
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Post by: Sketchy on November 18, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
Things seem to finally be going somewhere with my project (in that we've found a drummer capable of at least playing the less bastardy things we've come up with, and I've found a pipa player interested in playing live with us (although, we'll have to re-arrange some things so she's got stuff to do on some songs which won't have pipa in the recorded versions).
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 18, 2012, 02:09:55 PM
This morning at church I got to play drums for most of the set, but the last song I switched to acoustic guitar.  Keeping me on my toes.
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Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
Okay, this is gonna be a sweet challenge.  I'm going to arrange a medley of Christmas songs for violin, two flutes, soprano saxophone, two acoustic guitars, and piano, to play in church on December 9th.  That's the current lineup of the church praise band, so that's what I have to work with.

Interesting constraints:  Neither of the two guitarists is particularly gifted.  They know some chords and can strum without hurting themselves.  The piano girl is even worse.  If it's not written out, she can't play it.  No chord charts, no "jamming" or anything that's not written down, and even at that, she plays at the level of maybe a second-year student.  But she and one of the two guitars are original members and they aren't going anywhere, so like I said, that's what I have to work with.

Of the two "main" guys, one plays violin and actually has musical talent, though it's all classical training.  No jamming, but he can play anything that's written.  The other played saxophone in school bands and has some chops, but again, no jamming.  We recently added the flute girl, mostly for her voice, but I've been totally exploiting her flute lately and putting it with the violin for lead lines and stuff.  I play piano and woodwinds.  They took the piano away from bad piano girl after I joined, but since we want this to be all instrumental, she's playing piano and I'll play flute.

It's gonna be one of those arrangements where nothing is really hard to play (since it has to be that way), but sounds pretty nice if everyone plays what they're supposed to play.  Melodies and harmornies will be shared by the four "lead" instruments.  I have to be careful because the soprano sax is naturally much louder than the violin or flutes.  Chords and rhythm will be courtesy of the guitars and piano.  Since all the guitarists can do is strum, the piano will get some arpy stuff for color, and also provide the bass part where necessary (when things get "big").

Here's the sick part:  I think I can do it.  We perform the piece three weeks from today, and I just started writing the other night.  Heh heh.
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 18, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
I love arranging, especially medleys. Coming up with the transitional material is the best part. Which songs are you going to mash up?
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Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2012, 09:22:04 PM
This is just my first crack at something like this, and both rehearsal time and actual musical talent is pretty limited, so I'm just keeping it simple.  Three songs, all in C major, all in three, so no transitions, just four bars of C and the next song starts.  It Came Upon the Midnight Clear -> Silent Night, Holy Night -> The First Noel.  I'm trying to see how many tricks I can come up with to counter that fact that the sax is like 1.5 times as loud as the other lead instruments.  It's interesting.
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 18, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Such is the unique challenge of writing for a specific ensemble. Well, good luck at any rate.  :tup
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Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2012, 10:53:05 PM
Thanks.  It's fun so far.  I'm about halfway done, and I think it will work.  I'm planning on recording it, but whether or not I post it here will depend on how well it turns out.  We'll see.
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Post by: Sketchy on November 22, 2012, 01:04:17 PM
Good luck, Orbert. Rock their worlds (I know you will).

I have finally found someone willing to play some of the keyboard parts for the music project I've been in since the first year of uni, so we may actually get to play live.

Currently we have: Vox (if Zan is available, otherwise we may have to persuate Songbai to sing things in English, ie. our songs. She's a pretty damn good singer, and has sung on the west end before).
Guitar (that's David, so that's also an indeterminate number of other things too, he's played in a crazy selection of things, from orchestras to jazz bands to metal bands)
Drums (although we're working with him on 6, as we have a lot of six, and he's never really done that before, but is getting the idea, is a pretty cool dude and an orchestral percussionist, so it should be cool)
Keys (the guy has some classical training and some jazz training, and is very interested in the stuff we've written, he's played live before but not for a while or very often, he's a JR fan, so that's cool with me).
Bass (and guzheng, that's me, but I've never played live before other than one school concert and that was on piano. I was pretty crap but: oh well, it was fun)
Pipa (Songbai has played live many times and often gets paid to play for chinese new year, so she's pretty competent, but hasn't played anything other than chinese classical, and certainly not in a prog rock band before and is asking for chart, but I'm more than happy to provide that because I love the sound of pipa).

So yeah. Maybe I'm premature in this, but bring it on.
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Post by: Orbert on November 22, 2012, 04:38:36 PM
No guts, no glory, right?  I figure getting out there and playing is always better than sitting and not playing.  In my experience, anything that's not horrible is appreciated by whatever audience you have, because they're all sitting there going "Well, it's better than I could do."  That's why we have the expression "A gig's a gig."

The only exception would be if you literally went out and totally sucked, but that rarely happens.  If you're good at all, you know when you're not ready for a gig, and as I said, pretty much anything is gonna be appreciated.  Heck, I count on my audience not being as critical as I am.


I finished my arrangement the other day and emailed the parts out.  We shall see.
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Post by: Elite on November 23, 2012, 11:14:51 AM
I just quote the first two paragraphs of your post to my band, awesome post man!
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Post by: Orbert on November 23, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
Thanks.  Playing music for people is what keeps me going in my old age.
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Post by: Sketchy on November 25, 2012, 05:08:15 AM
I may have to take that same philosophy. Thanks Orbert.
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Post by: Elite on December 02, 2012, 08:06:42 AM
I just applied for a flamenco guitar course! :)

Have wanted to for quite some time and I have a little experience with it already, but now I'm going to for real. This is going to be fun, starting for the very beginning again :)
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Post by: Sketchy on December 02, 2012, 08:34:00 AM
Met with Songbai, the pipa player, yesterday to talk music. She spent most of the time playing the guzheng (one of her friends borrowed hers about a year ago, and mine was casually sitting there).We discussed both the music she'll be playing and chinese music, and it turns out I haven't recruited a pipa player after all.

I've recruited another insane multi-instrumentalist, and she's also interested in my eventual project which will be heavily chinese based. Either way, it means that that project will have at least eight possible different instruments (possibly rising to twelve depending on what each of us have got by then) and there are only two of us in that project yet. But yeah, she may also be a second keys player for us, as well as dizi, xiao, erhu and another guzheng player.

Excitement.
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Post by: Orbert on December 09, 2012, 10:59:49 PM
So, we played the Christmas Medley today during the service, and I recorded it on my ancient video camera mounted on a tripod in the balcony, 100 miles away.  Audio isn't too bad because the acoustics in our sanctuary are pretty awesome, but video is pretty horrible because of the distance, plus the fact that Facebook munges your video down for bandwidth purposes.

Click! (https://www.facebook.com/v/4030599805304)

Left to Right:  Dan and Dusty on Guitar, Me and Debbie Jo on Flute, Michael on Violin, Nancy on Piano, Brian on Soprano Sax.
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Post by: Adami on December 10, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Hey Orby, I know you'r a church keyboardist...........so does that mean you can do awesome dark crazy church organ stuff?
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Post by: Orbert on December 10, 2012, 08:14:12 AM
Man, church organ is tough.  I'm okay with doing two or three things with my hands, but once you get the feet involved, things get out of control very quickly.  I pretty much have to put my hands on autopilot so I can concentrate on what my feet are doing.  I just don't have it down, don't have the hundreds of hours of playing to where they can do their own thing.  I have keys to the church, but the organ itself is locked up when the organist isn't there, so I can't sneak in there and practice, either (I tried it).
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Post by: Adami on December 10, 2012, 11:51:14 AM
Man, church organ is tough.  I'm okay with doing two or three things with my hands, but once you get the feet involved, things get out of control very quickly.  I pretty much have to put my hands on autopilot so I can concentrate on what my feet are doing.  I just don't have it down, don't have the hundreds of hours of playing to where they can do their own thing.  I have keys to the church, but the organ itself is locked up when the organist isn't there, so I can't sneak in there and practice, either (I tried it).

Woah woah, didn't mean THAT crazy lol. I just might actually need you. The next song I'm going to work on is going to have a church organ intro. I was going to write the melody, but am not enough of a keyboardist to put interesting church style chords and stuff behind it. I might not need it, but if I do, do you have any pro-tools midi recording ability?
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Post by: Orbert on December 10, 2012, 05:24:21 PM
Sadly, I do not.
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Post by: Adami on December 10, 2012, 05:39:05 PM
Sadly, I do not.

WELL THEN WHAT GOOD ARE YOU?!?!?!
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Post by: Orbert on December 10, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
I have often asked myself the same question.
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Post by: Elite on December 25, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
Anybody else spending the time off during the holidays for lots of practising?
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Post by: Orbert on December 25, 2012, 06:27:52 PM
Not me.  I had last week off (and yesterday and today), but did a bunch of singing and playing at church, so I did more playing than practising.
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Post by: Sketchy on January 01, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
Ok, so I've looked up the Liang Zhu violin concerto (unfortunately could only get piano and violin version) as I want to understand how chinese music is put together, so I can write things for Songbai, our Chinese multi-instrumentalist (pipa, guzheng, dizi, xiao, erhu and also keyboards) as she's not currently comfortable with improvising.

As a result, I've found a couple of things. First, as I learned electronic keyboards and wasn't overly good, as opposed to piano, and also because I find it vastly easier to play from memory, I have found I don't understand a few of the notation devices. Most notably is the rest with a dot and crescent on top. I am probably very much mistaken as it's five years since I last closely used sheet, but dot and crescent rings a bell as being staccato. That or the other thing that comes to mind is that it's some sort of volumey thing. Now, I don't know about you, but I have never heard anyone comment on how amazingly impressive the dynamics of a rest were. I would very much appreciate correction so I can understand what the hell this notation on the rest means.

Second: finding the full orchestral score is a bitch, and if anyone knows where I can find it, I'll be greatly appreciative.
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Post by: Orbert on January 01, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
A dot and crescent?  Surely you don't mean a fermata, do you?

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/9456_4138863791836_598984035_n.jpg)

A fermata over a rest means the same thing as it does over a note, that it's held for a relatively long, yet unspecified amount of time.



Edit: changed "specified" to "unspecified"
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Post by: Elite on January 01, 2013, 06:36:25 PM
Don't you mean unspecified? It just makes the note over which the fermata is placed 'longer', but it doesn't tell you how much longer. It's a feeling-thing, just drag it out a little, but not too much.
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Post by: Orbert on January 01, 2013, 08:52:02 PM
Argh.  Yes, I meant unspecified.

It's a feeling thing for sure, unless you're in an ensemble with a conductor, in which case you follow the conductor.  That's the only time I've seen fermatas over rests.  One of more other parts are holding a note, but you're not playing, so you have a fermata over a rest while they have one over the actual notes they're holding.
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Post by: Adami on January 01, 2013, 09:10:26 PM
So I'm writing/recording epic soundtrack music.

This is a first for me and I have no idea if what I'm doing is any good. :(
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Post by: Orbert on January 01, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
The best soundtracks "interact" with what's happening on screen.  I like it when specific things happen musically that underscore visual things.

Other than that, as long as the music sounds good and fits the mood of the scene, etc., I usually like it.
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Post by: Adami on January 01, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
The best soundtracks "interact" with what's happening on screen.  I like it when specific things happen musically that underscore visual things.

Other than that, as long as the music sounds good and fits the mood of the scene, etc., I usually like it.

Well my soundtrack is to a comic book haha. I figure this way there's a visual story with which I can connect, but there's not already a sound track to throw me off.

And I do interact them, actually I go a step further. I am using the music to tell the story.

For instance. The comic I'm doing is from the X-Men. And the first song is called M-Day based on....well....M-Day. At the end of M-Day the mutant population goes from about a million to 200. So to signify that I ended the song played a big epic version of what I call the mutant theme and then end it with playing the same thing on a lone piano to signify the immense drop in population. I do that kind of stuff with all of it. Still hard since I barely know how to play keyboards and I'm doing everything on keys.
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Post by: Orbert on January 01, 2013, 10:53:56 PM
Sounds like you've chosen a pretty good challenge for yourself, especially for something you've never done before.  Good luck!
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Post by: Adami on January 01, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
Thanks!

Once I re-work the cable and hope themes, I'll put the online in a few days. Maybe some of you guys can take a listen and let me know if I'm even doing a remotely okay job?
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Post by: Sketchy on January 02, 2013, 03:00:01 AM
Aaaaah, thanks. That explains why I never came across it, as almost all of my lessons were on electronic keyboard rather than piano, so I was always dealing with a constant backing rhythm rather than unspecified note holdings.
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Post by: Filipe_metalhead on January 02, 2013, 05:05:06 AM
Hi guys, I'm a guitarrist and lead vocals in my band is called Bulprick. We're kinda Heavy/Thrash/ Metal but we do much more than that, right now we have 2 tunes that are considered Progressive Metal. Check it out

https://soundcloud.com/bulprick
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 02, 2013, 06:13:50 AM
Thanks!

Once I re-work the cable and hope themes, I'll put the online in a few days. Maybe some of you guys can take a listen and let me know if I'm even doing a remotely okay job?

I'll be interested in that. I like soundtracks where you can tell the composer has put effort into matching it to the story, in using specific variations of themes, or in the orchestration.

I'm just getting back into some music stuff myself for the first time since upgrading to Windows 7 (using VSTis), and for some reason my ASIO driver cuts off all other audio on my computer. The sound works perfectly in my music program, but then everything else, such as my music player, cuts off, so I can't listen to any other music, which makes it impossible to actually do anything.
I'm not sure whether it's to do with the hardware or the software, but I don't know how to use any other programs to try instead.
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Post by: Adami on January 03, 2013, 06:29:44 PM
Okay, here it is. Be kind please. But since I clearly have low self esteem I'll do the whole listing what's wrong with it so you needn't.


1. It's crappy orchestral sounds, sorry.
2. It's literally my first time doing this type of music.
3. I'm not a kangaroo.
4. If some of the transitions seem odd, keep in mind it's supposed to act like a complimentary piece to a comic that I doubt any of you have read.

https://soundcloud.com/adamigordon/sets/messiah-complex
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 04, 2013, 12:26:34 AM
Those orchestral sounds weren't bad. Still a big improvement over stock MIDI. :tup

I really liked it once it kicked in at the 2 minute mark, but I feel like it needed more low end, like the double bass or some tuba.
And I liked the piano at the end, but if that's going to be the very end of the song, I feel like the tempo should be a bit more free-time and slow down a bit. Maybe just play it live without any click instead of programming it?


I'm not experienced with this kind of music at all, but those were just my thoughts upon listening to it.
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Post by: Adami on January 04, 2013, 12:31:09 AM
Those orchestral sounds weren't bad. Still a big improvement over stock MIDI. :tup

I really liked it once it kicked in at the 2 minute mark, but I feel like it needed more low end, like the double bass or some tuba.
And I liked the piano at the end, but if that's going to be the very end of the song, I feel like the tempo should be a bit more free-time and slow down a bit. Maybe just play it live without any click instead of programming it?


I'm not experienced with this kind of music at all, but those were just my thoughts upon listening to it.

It has a good amount of low end, but you're listening to a compressed MP3 for obvious reasons.

And I totally hear you about the piano piece at the end being off from the click, maybe I'll give that a try.

And none of it is programmed. The closest I got to programming is playing arpeggios in one key and instead of learning it in another, I just shift it or something similar.

I wouldn't even know how to program an actual song. Playing is a lot easier.

And did you listen to just M Day or Birth of Hope and War on Three Fronts as well?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 04, 2013, 01:11:03 AM
I only listened to M Day, but I'll listen to the rest right now. (I also forgot that I'm listening to music outside of my music player without my EQ, and my headphones have balls bass without the EQ, so that's probably why I didn't hear the low end).

I really liked War on Three Fronts. I don't have anything constructive to add there. And the only comment I have for Birth of Hope is that because of the 5/8 time sig, I had a bit of trouble grasping the rhythm of the unaccompanied intro on first listen. That might not be an issue for people listening to it as a "score", although listening to it isolated, I thought I'd mention it.
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Post by: Adami on January 04, 2013, 01:16:30 AM
Yea, the 5/8 part was kind of odd, but overall I liked it. Gave it a sense of uneasiness. Since its supposed to represent a decimated population with no sense of hope.
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Post by: Orbert on January 04, 2013, 07:24:02 AM
I like all of it.  It sounds like soundtrack music.  Music which is good enough to be listened to as one might listen to an orchestral work, but which is really meant to underscore something else, something visual.  I found that it often evoked visual imagery, just based on the title and the music itself.

You have a great feel for orchestration.  The way the strings, winds, brass, and percussion complement each other and work together is great, and no less than what I would expect from a more experience soundtrack writer.

That piano bit at the end of "M Day" was fine.  It reprised the theme in a completely different way.  There was definitely a contrast to it, a "this is the end" or "this is where we are afterward" feeling to it.

The 5/8 starting off "Messiah Complex" was neat.  Different.  I like how the theme was played without rhythm and the meter wasn't obvious right away, kinda the same thing that Blob had trouble with, I guess.  Then it changed, which was nice, rather than fall into the cliché of adding a countermelody or simply adding rhythm while repeating the theme.

"War on Three Fronts" was pretty kickass.  Sounded like a great war soundtrack.  I love when the "choir" comes in.  That dramatic effect.  Okay, it's probably overused in general, but it's practically expected in soundtrack music of this type, and there isn't too much of it, which is good.

Bravo!  I could never write stuff like this.  Well maybe, but I'd never have the time to devote to it.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 04, 2013, 07:36:35 AM
So, do we have any singers here on DTF who have the means to record themselves? I'm messing around with putting a sort of cover song together for a project I'm thinking about, and I can't do the vocals myself, and it would require a pretty decent vocal range (up to a C#5 ideally, although a B4 would suffice).
Just thought I'd ask around and see if we've got anyone who might be able to help out.
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Post by: Adami on January 04, 2013, 10:26:46 AM
I like all of it.  It sounds like soundtrack music.  Music which is good enough to be listened to as one might listen to an orchestral work, but which is really meant to underscore something else, something visual.  I found that it often evoked visual imagery, just based on the title and the music itself.

You have a great feel for orchestration.  The way the strings, winds, brass, and percussion complement each other and work together is great, and no less than what I would expect from a more experience soundtrack writer.

That piano bit at the end of "M Day" was fine.  It reprised the theme in a completely different way.  There was definitely a contrast to it, a "this is the end" or "this is where we are afterward" feeling to it.

The 5/8 starting off "Messiah Complex" was neat.  Different.  I like how the theme was played without rhythm and the meter wasn't obvious right away, kinda the same thing that Blob had trouble with, I guess.  Then it changed, which was nice, rather than fall into the cliché of adding a countermelody or simply adding rhythm while repeating the theme.

"War on Three Fronts" was pretty kickass.  Sounded like a great war soundtrack.  I love when the "choir" comes in.  That dramatic effect.  Okay, it's probably overused in general, but it's practically expected in soundtrack music of this type, and there isn't too much of it, which is good.

Bravo!  I could never write stuff like this.  Well maybe, but I'd never have the time to devote to it.

Wow dude, thanks!

....I kinda want to hug you now.
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Post by: Orbert on January 04, 2013, 11:01:10 AM
I'll consider myself hugged.
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Post by: Elite on January 13, 2013, 02:38:45 PM
My band decided to change our warm-up cover from Overture 1928/Strange Deja-Vu to Solitary Shell/About to Crash (Reprise) so I've been working on those. Expecially AtC(R) is a blast to play on guitar!
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Post by: Orbert on January 14, 2013, 09:30:34 AM
I'm gonna join another band.  Yeah, crazy.  But this one's different.

The local community college has a music program, with an "A" band (I don't know what they're actually called) and a "B" band known as the Concert Band.  The top one is probably the Symphonic Band or something.  Anyway, you can take Concert Band either for credit or as a non-credit course, and there's no audition.  It's pretty much open, since it's not the top-tier band; it's the one for middle-aged shmucks like me who just want to play in a concert band.  If you take it non-credit, it's only $25, basically to cover administrative costs.  So for $25, I get to play in a concert band.  I haven't done that since high school.

One of my co-workers plays in it, and I went to their Winter Concert last month.  Not bad!  They even played a piece I recognized from my days in the high school band known as "Emperata Overture".  So when classes start up again next week, I'm in.  Gonna play saxophone.  Should be cool.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/2795_1067789096888_603611_n.jpg)
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Post by: Sketchy on January 15, 2013, 05:33:00 AM
Rock on Orbert. Hope you have a damn good wail of a time.

Reminds me: I will take up sax one day... After I take up flute, ruan, pipa and get back into keyboards, probably...
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Post by: Orbert on January 15, 2013, 07:07:11 AM
It's gonna be fun.  Just a four-month thing.  Classes only run from mid-Jan to mid-May.  And it seems weird to pay to play, but what the hell.  For $25, I get to play in a concert band, a pretty good one.  As musicians, we do what we must to get our fix.

In other news, one of the guys at church sang a solo on Sunday, and I played the piano for him.  He'd asked me back in December.  Some wacky thing in F minor (four flats) so I actually had to practice it a bit.  It went pretty well.  He stopped by last night and dropped off a batch of brownies he'd made as a token of his appreciation.  They're not that good, but hey, free brownies.
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Post by: Elite on January 15, 2013, 07:47:17 AM
I joined the choir for the choral project my association holds every year. On May 4th (Remembrance Day in the Netherlands) we will perform Mozart's Requiem in its entirety. I'm singing bass :)
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Post by: Orbert on January 15, 2013, 07:49:24 AM
Sweet!  :tup
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Post by: Sketchy on January 15, 2013, 02:43:36 PM
Nice one, Elite. Does that mean that now we can "drop the Elite?"
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Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 15, 2013, 06:53:48 PM
In other news, one of the guys at church sang a solo on Sunday, and I played the piano for him.  He'd asked me back in December.  Some wacky thing in F minor (four flats) so I actually had to practice it a bit.  It went pretty well.  He stopped by last night and dropped off a batch of brownies he'd made as a token of his appreciation.  They're not that good, but hey, free brownies.
:lol Truly it's the thought that counts.
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Post by: Orbert on January 15, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
Yeah, the guy's a better singer than he is a baker, and to be honest he's not that great a singer.  But it's truly the thought that counts, and mediocre brownies are still better than no brownies.  We takes whats we can gets.
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Post by: Scorpion on January 16, 2013, 12:25:12 PM
I joined the choir for the choral project my association holds every year. On May 4th (Remembrance Day in the Netherlands) we will perform Mozart's Requiem in its entirety. I'm singing bass :)

Bass :hifive:

We're singing Purcell's Dido and Aeneas (sp?) in March, with me being the only bass guy that you can actually hear, 'cause the others are shy.  :yeahright
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Post by: Elite on January 16, 2013, 02:07:47 PM
Nice one, Elite. Does that mean that now we can "drop the Elite?"

YES

Bass :hifive:

We're singing Purcell's Dido and Aeneas (sp?) in March, with me being the only bass guy that you can actually hear, 'cause the others are shy.  :yeahright

Nice! Yeah, I had the first practice on Monday and people were really figuring out what to sing. Basically, the gist of the whole thing is that anyone can join, but the end result has to be good. Based on how much I like it (which I really did for the first practice), I may actually join a real choral group.
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Post by: Scorpion on January 16, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
Yeah, I had a similar experience. At the beginning of 11th grade, our music teacher promised everyone who participated in the choir full practical marks, because he was in dire need of new people (many of the 12th-graders that had previously graduated had been in the choir). Because of this, I joined the choir and I had so much fun that I stayed, even after our teacher never prolongued the offer after the first concert.
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Post by: Orbert on January 20, 2013, 05:27:13 PM
Whoa.  Got out the saxophone, had to literally dust off the case.  Sightread a bunch of stuff I downloaded off the net for about half an hour, did better than I thought I would.  Fingers still work pretty well, but embouchure is kinda sore and brain kinda hurts.

My plan is to do this again tomorrow and then again on Tuesday, in preparation for the first rehearsal on Wednesday.  I think I can do this.  Of course, I never stopped playing sax completely, but this is, like, real sax playing, which I haven't done in a while.  We shall see.

And then of course I broke it down, cleaned it all up, stashed it, and noticed I was still wearing my neck strap.  Some things never change.
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Post by: Elite on January 20, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
Cool stuff! Which reminds me that I need to get my sax down from the top of my wardrobe someday :P
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Post by: Orbert on January 20, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
Do it!  Instruments were meant to be played, not stored.
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Post by: Elite on January 20, 2013, 11:55:32 PM
I know, I know, I just don't really have anything to play it for. I play my guitar daily and have weekly band practices and such and the piano I play just for the hell of it to get better. I guess I should just do the same with the sax though.
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Post by: Orbert on January 21, 2013, 08:33:24 AM
Well, as long as you're playing.  I was just giving you some shit on behalf of your sax, since mine was so happy to get out of its case for a while.

It's hard to give all your instruments the love they deserve.  My keyboards have been in their cases for almost a year now, too, since I don't have a regular gig that uses them.  Been doing mostly flute and piano lately, and using the piano and keyboards at the church, so I never need to set mine up.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 21, 2013, 08:50:02 AM
Keyboard player here!

I'm in a coverband, used to compose classical orientated stuff, now record some small idea's or semi-songs every now and then. But the coverband takes over, we played 30 times last 6 months, and still going upwards!

Here's my setup btw:

(https://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/603170_465274623520918_1289137202_n.jpg)
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Post by: Sketchy on January 21, 2013, 09:38:22 AM
Loving that red right there.
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Post by: Orbert on January 21, 2013, 10:07:36 AM
It's gotta be a Nord.  Those things are so beautiful.
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Post by: Sketchy on January 21, 2013, 10:41:23 AM
That they are, that they are. It leads me to conclude that Nihil must have some bloody epic piano and organ sounds when he plays.
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Post by: Elite on January 21, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
And skills, right? :p I'm jealous for your vocoder; I need to get one sometime, just for the hell of it.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 22, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
It is indeed a Nord Stage, an 'old' one. I believe I've had it for nearly 5 years now, and still I get compliments about my sounds. It has been the best instrument I've had in my life, and a great investment in my career.
The vocoder is a Korg R3. I've doubted long about having either the MicroKorg XL, or that one, since the micro's are totally cool and fresh, and the R3 is slightly more serious and a tad older, but I'm happy I chose this one. The vocoder is maybe the least useful feature though, Epic, mainly because the mic included is way too sensitive to use on stage, and I don't have the money yet to buy a better mic, I will in the future though, definitely.
On the left side of my Nord, I've placed my especially special playtoy, a Korg Monotron. Wonderful totally analog nano-synth. Just an LFO, Cutoff, Resonance, and pitch-knobs, but crazy sounds.

And Sketchy, thanks, I love how the distorted Hammond sounds on the Nord.

BTW, If you'd like to see a video of us playing, check this out. A friend of my band made this clip of a show we did last month. It's a shame that it turned out to be the last show without my new Korg, though. But check it out!

https://vimeo.com/57242597
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Post by: Orbert on January 24, 2013, 11:46:03 AM
So, the Concert Band of the College of Lake County rehearses on Wednesday evenings, and last night was the first rehearsal for the Spring Semester.

Whoa.

I have great memories of playing in band in high school and junior high, even grade school.  Hanging out with other people who love music, great concerts, the rush of playing music in a big ensemble, which is so different from a smaller group or going solo.

But I graduated from high school 33 years ago, and during that time, I'd also forgotten a few things.

Anyway, it was still fun, and it will continue to be.  It's just funny how you forget about some things and focus on others.
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Post by: Elite on January 24, 2013, 12:18:09 PM
Lots of useful stuff in that last post!

- Indeed, to get awesome requires insane amounts of time, practice, patience, perseverance and more. I feel that pain almost every day and it's the main reason for driving me to get better and better
- Absolutely fucking true; a band or ensemble is as good as its weakest member.
- Yeah, well to be honest that fucking sucks. I'm singing in the choir now and there's this elderly man who can't sing in tune apparently, so the whole bass section is just bad and we're all blamed for being bad, even though it's only one, maybe two people really screwing up.
- No, you don't. Work your way up, or start all over again. Well, this depends, I've been the guitarist for my band for years now and no-one is going to replace me as long as I'm there and we're not going to have any other guitarist in our band, because I (and the rest of the band) don't want to.
- Yes.

Keep rocking :)
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Post by: carl320 on January 25, 2013, 07:26:23 AM
I just woke up from a dream that had a song I'd never heard before.  It was cool but I can only remember the first line of the chorus and the general feel of the song.  I like it when that happens, too bad I can't remember more of it  :facepalm:
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Post by: Elite on January 25, 2013, 08:18:16 AM
Is your name Toby Driver?
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Post by: carl320 on January 25, 2013, 09:21:16 AM
It isn't :P  I take it that is something he's known for?  I know who he is but aren't familiar with anything other than maudlin of the Well.
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Post by: Elite on January 25, 2013, 02:35:28 PM
He has this thing with taking music from the dream world and explains in the liner notes from 'Leaving Your Body Map' that Interlude 4 is the pinnacle of motW's music, because it was dreamt entirely. Or something like that, the whole story is pretty vague and I may not recall it correctly; I'll check it in the liner notes if you want.
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Post by: Orbert on January 25, 2013, 02:43:15 PM
I wish I could do that.  Sometimes I dream that I'm playing music, and it all sounds great and I'll look at my hands and just marvel at how, without even thinking about it, I'm playing songs I've never played before, seemingly by instinct.  Then I wake up and realize why it all sounded so good.

Supposedly the basis for the song "Tempus Fugit" on the Yes album Drama came to Geoff Downes in a dream.  Before he joined the band, he was a huge Yes fan, and he dreamed that he was playing with them.  When he was later asked to join Yes, it was literally a dream come true.  But he remembered the song he was playing in the dream, and they learned it and put it on the album.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 26, 2013, 05:25:52 AM
Wow, great stories. I have heard melodies in dreams, or orchestrations, but never actual songs, or anything near that.

I must say that, mainly in composing, I do stuff that I later don't understand. I took a composing course during my 4 years at the conservatory, and as a sort of finished work I compiled a cd of my most finished works. All 'performed' by vst's, which is a damn shame.
But I can go back, listen to them (it's two years ago that I finished the last piece of that album), and I sometimes really can't imagine how I did all that. I'm not the kind of guy to say that there's a higher power making you do stuff you can't actually do, but it's really more than just putting black dots on paper. 
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Post by: Octavaripolis on January 30, 2013, 03:49:51 PM
https://m.soundcloud.com/imagebandofficial/goodbye
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Post by: Elite on January 30, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
What is that? I don't like clicking random links with music, can you please explain what it is?
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Post by: Elite on February 11, 2013, 04:19:13 PM
I'm going to join the practice of a brass ensemble specialised in modern classical music next Monday. Time to get the saxophone out and get practicing! :D
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Post by: Scorpion on February 11, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
You'll be totally saxy, I'm sure of it. :laugh:
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Post by: Elite on February 11, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
I doubt it, I haven't really played in about 3 years :lol
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Post by: Orbert on February 11, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
It'll come back.  Playing the sax is like falling off a bike.  Or something.
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Post by: Elite on February 12, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
That's a very weird analogy :lol
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Post by: Sketchy on February 24, 2013, 07:30:44 AM
If you play sax near the edge of a cliff, you could die?
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Post by: Orbert on February 24, 2013, 07:46:40 AM
If a strong wind came up, yeah, you could.

For those who missed it, that was another Orbert attempt at humor by mangling a couple of well-known expressions.  I used to hear people say "It's like riding a bike" referring to how, once you've learned, you never forget.  The muscle memory for riding a bike is pretty deeply engrained, probably because of the relatively high level of coordination required.  Now that I think about it, it's not nearly as common anymore because kids don't ride bikes anymore.

Then there's "It's as easy as falling off a log" simply meaning that something is so easy that you don't have to think about it.  It doesn't exactly require much skill.  Therefore, playing the saxophone is as easy as falling a bike.  It all comes back to you; you don't even have to think about it.
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Post by: Elite on February 24, 2013, 08:17:29 AM
I live in the Netherlands, people ride bikes everywhere, all the time. But, I get it :tup
I still haven't gone there yet, all the practices so far didn't require saxophone :lol I'm going monday in a week. In the meantime, I also haven't picked up my sax again yet, but I will do this the coming week :)
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Post by: Sketchy on February 24, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
I like that saying. It's good.
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Post by: carl320 on February 24, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
My brother found a Yamaha Clavinova at a resale shop for $75.  He told me Thursday about it, and I told him he should buy it and I'll pay him back.

I can't think of any deal I have ever gotten that would even come close to that (he bought it, and it works  :eek ... needs a stand though).
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Post by: Orbert on February 24, 2013, 05:26:43 PM
Clavinovas (Clavinovae?) are sweet.  I would've jumped on it just because it's close enough to real, but you can use headphones with it.
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Post by: carl320 on February 24, 2013, 05:35:57 PM
He gave it to me for a birthday gift.  I would have never gone to the store he found it at, it was a resale shop that sells mostly things for houses (windows, cabinets, stuff like that).  He went there because he needed some windows for an addition he's working on.  It was one of those right time, right place deals that paid off  :D
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Post by: Orbert on February 24, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
Excellent! :tup
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Post by: Naikon on February 25, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
Im a drummer in Sweden, and trying to find a band to play Dream Theater... Its fucking impossible. Why is there no DT fans in Sweden? :(
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Post by: Elite on February 25, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
There are, just look harder. From when I started getting my band together when I was 15, I just had my best friend as the keyboard player. It took us 5 years and multiple line-up changes to find ourselves a drummer and a bass player. The bass player has been with us for a year, but we only recently got our current drummer after our old one left. That said; it took 3.5 years to get the first stuff together, after me and my buddy had written lots of stuff already. It takes time, look for people to play with, find them literally anywhere and in the meantime, just practice on your own.
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Post by: Elite on March 06, 2013, 04:24:55 AM
So, I started taking singing lessons yesterday to get better at it :) First time was really fun, I'm going to continue, definitely.
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Post by: Orbert on March 06, 2013, 07:43:51 AM
Our choir director has offerred to give me singing lessons a few times.  I've always sung, never considered myself particularly good at it, but after singing in the choir for nearly 10 years now, I guess I'm getting better.  Maybe she thinks I have potential or something.  We're all amateurs, but she constantly gives us little tips and advises us on proper techniques and stuff.  I've had people tell me I have a good voice, but I still consider myself more of an instrumentalist.

Singing lessons would be kinda cool, but... I don't know.  I'm 50 years old, and I'm never gonna be a great singer.  I don't even think I want to be a great singer.  There's something comfortable about just being "okay" or "good enough" at something, and not trying to be more than that.  Cowardly and lazy, too, but comfortable.
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Post by: PuffyPat on March 06, 2013, 10:08:22 AM
I feel like it's alright to recognize that you're comfortable with where you are at something because it allows you to focus on other things that might be more important. I realize that I'm good enough at guitar. Sure I'd like to be better than I am, but playing guitar isn't something that I see my self doing for a living, so I don't need to worry about it that much.
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Post by: Orbert on March 07, 2013, 04:30:34 PM
Damn it.  So I quit the Concert Band I'd joined only a month or so ago.

I didn't want to do this, because I remember so clearly quitting the Praise Band I was in, and my reasons why.  Wow, that was a year ago already.  Sure, people here supported me, and I do think I was justified, and it's not like anyone was hurt by it.  No one got screwed over, no one was left without a keyboard player or anything.  But ultimately my motives were selfish, and that's always bothered me a little bit.  And this time was different, but there were some odd similarities.

Community College.  The top-level band is the Wind Ensemble; you have to audition for that.  I was in the Concert Band; if you want to play, you're in.  You can take it for credit (music majors), or non-credit (just for fun).  This can lead to problems, but this band had a pretty good balance.  8 or 10 flutes, 8 or 10 clarinets, similar number of trumpets, six trombones, three baritone horns, two tuba, four French horns, three bassoons, two oboes, three alto sax, one tenor, one baritone.  You almost couldn't ask for a better balance of parts.

Except that this guy doesn't like saxophones.  Only three altos, and every time we played, and I mean every time, he'd look at us and motion for us to be quieter, or actually say out loud "Altos, quieter!"  Over a dozen trumpets and trombones blasting away right behind us, and he can hear us, and he doesn't want to.  "Everything needs to blend together.  I shouldn't be able to hear individual parts!"  Okay, that's true.

It's marked Fortissimo and we're down to literally blowing as quietly as we can.  Any less air, and the reed won't even vibrate.  "Altos, please!  Blend!"  In other words, if he can hear us at all (including "blended" with the brass) we're too loud.

I ask the girl to my right (Tammy, the 1st) if I'm imagining things, and she says No.  Saxes always need to play at least one marking quieter than written, or he yells.  At least, she emphasizes.  The tenor is my co-worker and the guy who got me into this, and he agrees too.  If he can hear saxophones, we're too loud.  Tammy has been there four years.  The guy to my left, the other 2nd, is actually taking it for credit.  But someone needs to simply not play, so I guess it's me.  Double-f and we're playing double-p and it's still too loud.  So I don't play at all.  Lip-synch, finger-synch.  "Okay, that sounds better."  I wasn't playing, and I couldn't hear the other saxes, either.  The trumpets buried us.  I guess that's what he wants.

The entire first rehearsal went like this.  Second rehearsal, we got a break.  Third and fourth rehearsals, he simply didn't want to hear us at all.  The only time he didn't bitch about the saxes being too loud was when I wasn't playing.  Due to a clerical error, there's one piece where I have the 2nd alto part and the others both have 1st.  There was a spot where we go into harmony (duh) and he looked right at me, and motioned for quiet.  "I shouldn't be able to hear individual parts.  Blend!"  I'm the only one playing that note; you're gonna hear it, you fucking moron.  And yes, I'm playing as quietly as I can and still pushing air through the horn.  So I stopped playing entirely.  "Ah, perfect!"  Now it's all unison and the trumpets can bury the saxes and it's apparently exactly what he wants.

I turned in my music.  Fuck this.  I don't have to be there, but if I'm there, I want to play.  He has too many alto saxophones, now he doesn't, problem solved.
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Post by: Elite on March 07, 2013, 06:48:24 PM
Sounds like an unbelievable arsehole. I would have quit as well.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 07, 2013, 08:34:19 PM
That sucks, Orbert. If he's only satisfied when you're literally not even playing, there's no joy to be had there.
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Post by: growthmusic57 on March 07, 2013, 10:19:28 PM
Why is there no DT fans in Sweden? :(

Because everyone there is listening to your hometown heroes, Opeth.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Orbert on March 07, 2013, 10:49:52 PM
Sounds like an unbelievable arsehole. I would have quit as well.

I agree.  But what bothers me is the similarity to my last situation.  Leader was a dick, I didn't see any point, so I quit.  Something like that happens once, it sucks but what can you do?  When it happens a second time, you start to wonder.  Am I the one who's being a dick?  Am I somehow subconsciously looking for a reason to quit?

I think it's just a matter of running into a couple of shitty situations in a row.  It can happen.  But... damn.  Quitting isn't cool.  And now I've done it twice.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 07, 2013, 10:54:14 PM
If it's as you described (which I have no doubt it is coming from you), I don't think you're looking for reasons to quit. It just doesn't sound like either of these situations has given you what you're looking for in performing, and it's really not that much to ask imo. You want to contribute to making music as part of a larger whole. If you're at the point of not even hearing yourself playing, you're not getting any kind of musical satisfaction from it.

I hope you can find something that gives you that joy that performing should bring.
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Post by: Orbert on March 07, 2013, 11:00:11 PM
Thanks.  Yeah, that's all I'm really looking for.  Fortunately I still have the church choir and the praise band.  I was kinda psyched about making music in a non-religious setting for once, though.  Oh well.  I'll be rocking this summer with the guys back home.  That should be fun.
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Post by: Sketchy on March 08, 2013, 01:31:03 PM
Wow, that sucks, sorry to hear it dude.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 12, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
So I'm performing Purcell's Dido and Aeneas with the school choir on Saturday, and I must say that it's hands down the best project we've ever down as a choir. Purcell really is a master at crafting beautiful choir music.
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Post by: Orbert on March 12, 2013, 08:33:18 PM
Post video!
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Post by: Scorpion on March 13, 2013, 05:38:38 AM
I'll try. It's kinda hard to film if you're in the choir. :)
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Post by: Elite on March 13, 2013, 06:20:08 AM
Get someone else to film!
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Post by: Orbert on March 13, 2013, 07:16:58 AM
That's what I was thinking, but whatever you can work out.
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Post by: Elite on March 24, 2013, 04:28:42 PM
As of late I'm finding I have trouble in getting myself together to practice. I don't really have a lot of time to begin with, but then when I do, I tend to do random other stuff that needs doing or just relax and shit. Bleeh, I need to get better!
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 25, 2013, 11:56:30 AM
I'm not much of a lead guitarist but once a week i go and hang out at my friends' rehearsal studio and I basically just shut myself away for hours and play along to Uno Dos & Tre and practice my rhythm like a mofo ! :p

I can't play Platypus yet but BJA is probably my favourite Rhythm guitarist. I like Rhythm that is percussive at the same time.
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Post by: Dellers on March 26, 2013, 04:37:00 AM
Im a drummer in Sweden, and trying to find a band to play Dream Theater... Its fucking impossible. Why is there no DT fans in Sweden? :(
Most fans don't have the time to practice 6 hours a day like the guys did... DT is incredibly technical, and there are obviously not many people around who have the required genes, time and dedication to become technically proficient enough.
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Post by: Orbert on April 01, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
I got to do something new yesterday that was pretty cool.  Warning: Church music stuff ahead, since that's all I seem to be doing these days.

For our Easter service, we always like to have something special, musically.  In the past, we brought in trumpets, so things like "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" had some extra balls.  Real brass, yeah baby!  But the last couple years, the trumpets that we hired turned out to be kinda bad, so our choir director (who is also the music director in general) swore off hiring trumpets anymore.  $100 each to come in and play on like three songs, and they couldn't even be bothered to practice and/or learn their parts?  Get out.

But she plays the harp.  I told her she should bring in the harp and that would be pretty special.  She said she'd do it if I played, too.  What, on piano?  No, on the flute.  Ah, okay.  Flute and harp together would be sweet.

And it was.  There's something pretty heavenly about a flute with just a harp for accompanyment.  All we did was lead an Alleluia from the hymnal, but I played it through one time on the flute, then played the first verse along with the congregation.  Second and third verses, I ad-libbed some stuff, so that was cool.  She strummed chords on the harp for accompaniment, and it was sweet.  So, another new musical thing I can check off of my to-do list (which doesn't really exist, but you know what I mean).
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 01, 2013, 12:22:37 PM
I love the flute and harp combo. I've composed a minimalist piece for flute, harp, 2 piano's and some brass (if I remember correctly) once. The piano (together with the) harp and the flute really add something when combined. I used to have that stuff on youtube, but I gave up on composing a while back using the old 'no time, no inspiration' excuse. I just this afternoon decided that I really start to do that again.

In the last few years I've composed everything ranging from neo-classicist/movie type pianomusic, string quartets, minimal pieces, or even prog epics, and I just one day (a year and a half ago) stopped doing that. Drives me crazy sometimes. So here it is, I'm gonna upload all of that to youtube soon as some sort of signal to myself that I'm a parttime composer, whether I like it or not.
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Post by: Orbert on April 01, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
Cool!  Post links here, or in the video thread.
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Post by: Elite on April 01, 2013, 01:13:05 PM
Links, links!
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Post by: Sketchy on April 01, 2013, 02:33:55 PM
I ordered a microphone, which will hopefully turn up soon, so I can start demoing ideas on the guzheng, and even better, it's so retro it hurts. (Yes, I did deliberately buy a microphone that sounds like a 1930s one, and I am massively excited about it). Also: orbert, that sounds pretty rad.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 05, 2013, 02:14:06 PM
So I've started uploading.

There are two categories so far, the first is a collection of my solo pianotracks (with the winter-ey path picture), the second is my 'album' of modern-like compositions, made in the last couple of years (with the street as a picture)
A third categorie is starting to unwind (with the farm-ey background), with old idea's, and my more pop/rock type demo's.

Here's a link to a video of mine. Please let me know what you think!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmO2dJqqDs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmO2dJqqDs)

https://www.youtube.com/user/joostniekus (https://www.youtube.com/user/joostniekus)
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Post by: Elite on April 05, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
Any recommendation of what to listen to first in both categories? What's your personal favourite?
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 05, 2013, 05:08:41 PM
As for piano pieces, I think Be Good is great. And my orchestral works... Time Flies is special to me, A Glimpse Of... gives me goosebumps, and both Fading and Faded are great for hours like these.
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Post by: Elite on April 06, 2013, 01:36:41 AM
Cool, I'll have a listen tonight!

First though, a full day of practice ahead for the Mozart Requiem. This is going to be intense.
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Post by: PuffyPat on April 10, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
Finally in a band again. It's out of my comfort zone (I'm a drummer, but I'm playing bass), but it's great to be playing with other people again.
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Post by: tartarus250 on April 22, 2013, 05:58:48 AM
I've been playing guitar for about thirty years not that anyone would notice;-) I also play bass drums piano and sing:-) I've played pro and for fun in bands orchestras and done studio work but not so much now I am married with kids:-) now I play covers with a couple of friends it's coming together only had four rehearsals and its shaping up nicely!! If anyone is interested you can hear our first few sessions on my YouTube channel tartarus250 imaginatively enough lol comments and song suggestions welcome:-)https://youtu.be/oAt2SozD6iE sorry forgot to post a link :-)
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Post by: Elite on May 04, 2013, 06:18:42 AM
Tonight, we will finally play Mozart's Requiem to honor the dead of World War II. 4th of May is the Dutch remembrance day and my study association traditionally performs a Requiem in a church. Together with 100 others, amateurs and professionals alike, we will play the Requiem to about 800 people, the maximum that will fit the church. I'm really looking forward to tonight, I'm singing bass by the way.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 04, 2013, 07:38:39 AM
Fuck yeah bass! o/

I've already said that once already, but Mozart's Requiem is really beautiful. The only one that can kinda compete with that is Verdi, though it's a lot more bombastic, so I'm not always in the mood for it, and Brahms' Ein deutsches Requiem. I especially love the Lacrymosa.
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Post by: Orbert on May 04, 2013, 08:40:49 AM
Mozart's Requiem is awesome.  I saw a performance of it years ago at a local church, and it was pretty mind-blowing.  Despite singing in a choir for years, I'm not really a huge choral music fan, but some friends of ours were in it so we went, and I'm glad I did.

We did the Lacrymosa a couple of years ago.  Man, that's an intense piece.
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Post by: Sketchy on May 18, 2013, 08:50:31 AM
Orbert: may I ask for tips on how to start learning/practicing on the flute? I've ordered a Xiao and a dizi for a project of mine, and I was just wondering if there's any adive you'd give for someone who's not learned a wind instrument before.
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Post by: Orbert on May 18, 2013, 03:04:58 PM
Winds are interesting.  Unlike a keyboard, where the note is just sitting there, waiting for you to play it, and you can play up to 10 (or more) notes at a time, should the occassion arise, you get to play one note at a time, and you get it by combination of what your ten fingers are doing simultaneously.

Okay, that the logistics, which I'm sure you understand.  The point is that, to me, it's much more similar to singing than to playing.  You might have the melody, you might have a harmony in an ensemble, or a supporting line of some kind, but you get that one note at a time, so you're "always soloing", everything you're got, you put into that one note.

As for the physical process, I'm sure you'll be getting plenty of instruction, but here's a video that teaches you pretty much everything you need to know.  It's pretty short, but the part you want starts at 0:54.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfGyIW7aHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfGyIW7aHM)
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Post by: Sketchy on May 18, 2013, 03:08:25 PM
Ah, awesome, thanks.
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Post by: Orbert on May 18, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
I know it seems like a huge mountain to climb, but as soon as possible, get to the point where you are not thinking about your fingers.  If you read a note, then have to think about which keys to press, then play it, then read the next note, then think about which keys to press, etc., you'll never learn to make music.  You'll merely be playing the instrument, which isn't the same thing.

It has to get to the point where you see the dot on the paper and your fingers already know which ones go down and which ones come up.  Obviously this will take some time, but if you're a musician, you already know how to make music; you're just learning a new instrument.  When a guitarist plays, he's not thinking "third string, fifth fret, play; third string, fourth fret, play" -- he's thinking about the notes.  And eventually it's not even the notes, but the entire line at a time.

Practice, practice, practice.  Absorb the instrument.  Become the instrument.  It's the only way to make it happen.
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Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 18, 2013, 11:45:56 PM
Jammed at the Whisky with some friends a few months ago. Here's the video. We're not a band, just some friends jamming. Ignore the singing - the guy who sang isn't a singer, he was just a friend who wanted to help out cause we needed someone to sing. I'm on guitar. Fucked up a few times, but what can ya do? hahaha. (please no trolling about the singing.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbRj-fLvrM
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Post by: Sketchy on May 30, 2013, 11:03:46 AM
The flutes turned up. So far I've not managed a note from the xiao, although my housemate did in a single attempt (he used to play clarinet, it turns out). I have managed some notes from the dizi, although they seem to also be able to summon confused-looking dogs.

My work mates found it funny I spent my lunch break in a disused car park trying to reliably get sound out of the dizi.
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Post by: Orbert on May 30, 2013, 11:10:44 AM
Obviously they're not musicians.  Musicians understand these things.
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Post by: Sketchy on May 30, 2013, 11:16:11 AM
I think it was more I was blowing a flute in a deserted area for half an hour. They're software engineers, they understand those things instead.
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Post by: Orbert on May 30, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
A deserted area is the best place to practice, especially when you're new to the instrument.  I almost never practice at home if there's someone else home.  It bothers me knowing that someone else can hear me while I'm trying to work something out.  My wife and daughter tell me not to worry about it; it all sounds fine to them, or they just tune it out and turn the TV up a little bit.  That's not the point.  I know it's wrong.  I'll sit there and play something five times wrong in a row before my fingers finally get it, and I don't want anyone to hear that.

There's performance, but everything else is private.  At least that's how it is for me.
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Post by: Sketchy on May 30, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
Yeah, and as I'm still at the stage of "maybe it'll make a note... oh no, the membrane's come loose again", I quite like the not being heard. I don't mind so much when playing something I've been playing for a while, although I still really get uncomfortable when someone walks into the room when I'm playing, even though I do a pretty good job of ignoring them.

Oh, and then I pretend that there's no-one living in the flat below, although I'm quite aware the guy there can hear me when I play the zheng.
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Post by: adastra on May 31, 2013, 12:43:12 AM
Dear God! It amazes me how fast UPS/Finnish Postal service works!;

Last Sunday I bought guitar from Missouri. Today (Friday) the guitar has arrived at my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
Fast!! O_O
(https://iheartguitarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sterling-sub-ax3-tr.jpg)
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Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 31, 2013, 08:17:17 AM
Wow, there is also another DTFer from Seinäjoki! You and ? there, I should have to move there from this lazy Orimattila...
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Post by: ? on May 31, 2013, 10:48:30 AM
my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
You're from here too? :omg:
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Post by: Sketchy on May 31, 2013, 01:05:59 PM
Dear God! It amazes me how fast UPS/Finnish Postal service works!;

Last Sunday I bought guitar from Missouri. Today (Friday) the guitar has arrived at my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
Fast!! O_O
(https://iheartguitarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sterling-sub-ax3-tr.jpg)

My friend has the version of that without the whammy. Good choice, that guitar does heavy pretty damn well, and is all round nice.
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Post by: Zantera on June 01, 2013, 05:09:53 AM
I play a bit of guitar, though I'm still very much a beginner. Otherwise I make music digitally, I've found some good software and a lot of plugins that sounds fairly authentic, and that's currently how I'm making my music. It's done digitally and it feels a bit cheap since it's plugins - sounding like real instruments, but at least it's a way for me to learn sounds and to make songs.

In the long run, I would love to go over to something with real instruments instead of plugins sounding like instruments. :P
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Post by: Orbert on June 01, 2013, 09:15:45 AM
I sometimes consider going that route.  I have real instruments, but my keyboards aren't exactly pro quality and while I love playing woodwinds, I'm just not that good at it.

But with software, I can create music and "play" it.  I can take my time, do whatever I want with the arrangements and instrumentation, and possibly come up with some pretty cool stuff.  The few times I tried it, though, it wasn't really satisfying.  I don't know; it all felt very artificial.  I'd composed the music, arranged it, everything, but it only existed as bits and bytes.
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Post by: Sketchy on June 01, 2013, 09:21:17 AM
I have written stuff in midi, but ultimately, I generally prefer to write it on physical instruments predominantly, partly as I like to see how other people take my ideas, meaning it comes out as something unexpected, and also the writing process largely feels more organic in a "this sounds pretty cool if I play it like this" way, rather than when I use midi, when it feels more of an academic exercise, where I usually end up overapplying theory and changing section just because it arbitrarily seemed like a good idea.

That said, there have been some things I've come up with in midi, including entire songs, which I have decided to actually work with properly, as I've liked the effect of that section/song/arrangement.
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Post by: adastra on June 02, 2013, 01:35:03 AM
my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
You're from here too? :omg:

Yeah O_O  I'm from Seinäjoki.
Originally I'm from Rovaniemi, but I came to work at Seinäjoki. Seinäjoki is the WORST PLACE EVER! :D
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Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 02, 2013, 01:39:20 AM
my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
You're from here too? :omg:

Yeah O_O  I'm from Seinäjoki.
Originally I'm from Rovaniemi, but I came to work at Seinäjoki. Seinäjoki is the WORST PLACE EVER! :D

When Seinäjoki and DTF Unite  :D
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Post by: ? on June 02, 2013, 01:48:44 AM
my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
You're from here too? :omg:

Yeah O_O  I'm from Seinäjoki.
Originally I'm from Rovaniemi, but I came to work at Seinäjoki. Seinäjoki is the WORST PLACE EVER! :D
It is - I can't wait to get out of here :lol
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Post by: Tiko on June 03, 2013, 05:59:55 AM
my local post office at Seinäjoki, Finland.
You're from here too? :omg:

Yeah O_O  I'm from Seinäjoki.
Originally I'm from Rovaniemi, but I came to work at Seinäjoki. Seinäjoki is the WORST PLACE EVER! :D
It is - I can't wait to get out of here :lol

Us finners slowly taking over this forum... Today we hit the studio to record drums!

- Tiko
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 03, 2013, 09:03:27 AM
So Mrs. C's kid has been getting me to show him some things on guitar.  It gets me to thinking about how far I've come in 23 years.  I remember startng out, seeing sheet music and saying (for example) "No way, that can't be right, nobody could be jamming on this song and just hit a specific couple of strings amidst all the others and get it right, etc".  Now when I'm showing him the chords to Rock You Like a Hurricane, he's all "How am I supposed to just hit three strings and not the others?"  Suddenly, I'm 14 years old again, wondering the same thing.  Then I realize that now, I can pretty much hit pretty much whatever combination of strings I need to pick, without much thought.  2-string open chord?  Check.  3-string power chord?  Check.  Across the neck 6-string A chord?  Check.

Time and practice, pal.  The words NO 13 year old wants to hear.  I didn't want to hear it.  I look at my playing and realize that I've changed and tweaked and adapted the way I play to such an extent that if a beginner tried to emulate what I'm doing, it could be confusing, so I have to try to deconstruct all that and look at things from a beginner's perspective.  It isn't easy.

And with all of that practice and learning of new songs (lots and lots), over time, it has become easier to pick stuff up quickly on a 2nd-3rd listen, but it has been work to get there.  I never have to be the one that holds back band practice because I can't seem to learn a song that everyone else knows.  There have been many times at practice where everyone else knows a song that I don't know and I tell them to just go and I'll find a way to follow along.  It is something that I try never to take for granted.  The downside is that whenever I go see live bands now, I'm evaluating them from a musician's standpoint as opposed to a casual listener's standpoint, which is a huge difference.  It's hard to just sit back and enjoy a band when you're hearing every "mistake" that the average listener might not notice.  The plus side is that you also hear cool things they do that you're inspired to try yourself.

I'm not where I want to be and I probably never will be (is any musician ever as good as they want to be?), but when I look back to the frustrations and limitations and uphill climb I faced 23 years ago, and where I'm at now, it's hard not to be just a little proud of myself.
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Post by: Lucien on June 03, 2013, 06:21:17 PM
I play upright bass (with a bow) and I intend to get a bass guitar soon. I haven't completely coordinated having for than one finger plucking at a time, so that will need to be worked on. (been playing for 6 years since I was 11, I'll be 17 this Saturday.)

I can sing, but I haven't had any formal anything about it and people tell me my singing sucks. I can remember almost any lyric I hear, however, and I do stay in tune.. My voice is just not pleasing to the ear when it comes to singing.

I'm barely learning how to play piano.

Intend to become a music major at Northwestern State University of Louisiana (*gulp*).

I jam, and I would soon like to record a jam or two of mine (upright bass with a bow only) so I can arrange some schtuff.

Someday, I will either: 1. become a music teacher 2. go into a band (I have several ideas about this), or 3. simply compose music and make money off of it, and write fiction (I'm actually a decent writer)


About whatever band I would create, I was thinking about having me (upright bass, bass guitar), another (vocals), another (bassoon), another (tuba), and another (timpani, bass drum), and we would all make crazy bass crap.
The name of the band would be The Lower End.
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Post by: Elite on June 04, 2013, 02:13:17 AM
*rest of the story*

I'm not where I want to be and I probably never will be (is any musician ever as good as they want to be?), but when I look back to the frustrations and limitations and uphill climb I faced 23 years ago, and where I'm at now, it's hard not to be just a little proud of myself.

Ah, the wonders and joys of practicing! I can relate to pretty much all you said there, except I've been playing for considerably less than 23 years. I too am nowhere near where I want to be, but I have also found great joy and gratitude in teaching others to play. I used to coach bands of children aged 8-15 and teach them stuff on guitar. It was fun and teaching others always reminds you of the fact that you were once there too.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 04, 2013, 02:27:41 AM
*rest of the story*

I'm not where I want to be and I probably never will be (is any musician ever as good as they want to be?), but when I look back to the frustrations and limitations and uphill climb I faced 23 years ago, and where I'm at now, it's hard not to be just a little proud of myself.

Ah, the wonders and joys of practicing! I can relate to pretty much all you said there, except I've been playing for considerably less than 23 years. I too am nowhere near where I want to be, but I have also found great joy and gratitude in teaching others to play. I used to coach bands of children aged 8-15 and teach them stuff on guitar. It was fun and teaching others always reminds you of the fact that you were once there too.

Teaching can be cool. I love to teach others the 'wonders of music', but not so much where the note C is. I think others are better in doing that. The most fun in practicing, for me, is the fact that you can actually surprise yourself. In times when I play a lot, and with a lot of musicians, and become so motivated that the instant I come home I play some more, I love to hear myself play stuff I didn't think I could.
Just like a solo in a live show, sometimes I'm just 'in it', and things come out that scare me, things I never could imagine. And that's one of the wonders of practicing, you can get better than you think you can.
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Post by: Lynxo on June 05, 2013, 04:00:37 AM
One of the things I used to notice back when I started was that I was practicing a song like crazy but never quite nailing it. Frustrated, I went to learn another song and when I got back to the original, I could nail it no problem. The ego boost from those experiences are awesome and makes it all worth it.
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Post by: Orbert on June 05, 2013, 09:31:49 AM
That happens to me a lot, and I'd imagine that it's pretty common.  I've always figured that there's a point of diminishing returns regarding practice.  For example, an hour is probably fine, two hours if you can handle it, but practicing four hours on the same song will not do twice as much good as practicing two hours, and practicing eight hours on the same song is insane.  You will not end up playing it eight times as well as you did after that first hour's practice.  Fatigue sets in, and frankly, so does boredom.

You need to take sometime away, let your brain and your fingers do something else for a while.  Then when you come back to the one song, your fingers will remember most of it, and just need a little extra guidance from your brain, which has also had some time to absorb it.  At least that's my theory.
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Post by: Elite on June 25, 2013, 04:36:19 AM
I can't wait until my summer holidays truly start and I can finally play shitloads of music!
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Post by: carl320 on June 25, 2013, 05:48:21 PM
I've always figured that there's a point of diminishing returns regarding practice.

I agree with that.  Practice is great but you also need to rest the muscles.  Otherwise the muscles won't heal and become stronger.
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Post by: adastra on June 26, 2013, 05:45:37 AM
My band is finally getting ready to record our first demo / self release!!!  :D
30 minutes of Suicidal, Misanthropic, Anti-Life and Depressed awesomeness!
I'm going to record all the guitar parts with Sterling By Music Man AX3 . One of the best guitars I've ever had  :laugh:
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Post by: countess_drummer on June 30, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
Hi fellow DT fans
I'm a drummer from Cape Town, South Africa.  Been a fan of DT since high school hehe.  Got involved in a little band a few years back, that was the coolest thing ever.  Always said I've wanted my own band, though.  Will definitely be prog  :metal
On the lookout for Mike Mangini signature sticks and it's a mission hey....
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Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 01, 2013, 02:02:31 AM

Finally have a full lineup. (although thinking about adding keyboards, but still uncertain)

We're called "All Hail". We play (obviously) progressive music, but not EXACTLY the way DT does it. I'd say we're more like a progressive version of maybe Alter Bridge, with a little bit of AAL and Periphery influence, and then a little bit of Coheed influence, and DT's attitude. I had written ten songs for our first album, before there were even other members in the band. Those songs range from heavy, to bluesy, to kinda ballady all acoustic. And over the last three months I've been writing our second album's worth of songs for a concept album (lyrically and musically conceptual). This album as a whole is WAY lighter than the first one. And then to make up for the lack of heaviness of that album, we're planning on releasing an EP after those first two are finished and recorded, of all heavy songs that I've started writing here and there.

Overall this should be really cool, and when we get things demoed and recorded, I'd love to share it with you guys. Hopefully you all really dig it. I'm sure there's something here for all of you!
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Post by: Sketchy on July 01, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
I kind of found a traditional Finnish instrument called the Kantele during my travels and bought one. It's a type of baltic psaltery apparently.
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Post by: Elite on July 06, 2013, 03:44:12 PM
Just came home from a fantastic gig with my progressive rock/metal band Overhaul. We had beautiful weather, played for about an hour and got lots of great response from the audience afterwards. Best gig in my life? Insofar as gratitude from the audience goes, yes, probably.
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Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
Awesome!  ♫♫ There is no better feeling.

I got to play tonight, too.  Just a "small" get-together at some friends' house on the lake.  Maybe 150-200  people, live music starting at Noon, food, boat rides, open bar, pretty serious shindig actually.  She sings, he plays bass, and they leave a spot at 6:00 pm for them and whoever is around and wants to play.  This guy named Scott sat in on piano; I'd brought my woodwinds with me, but didn't know if I could just go up there or what.  They throw this to-do every year, but this is the first time I've gone.  There was a guitar, drummer, and percussionist as well.  At some point, Mike (the host and bass player) told me that Scott was gonna grab his tenor sax and I could take the piano.  We did some songs, some of which I didn't even know (but took a solo anyway).

Then Mike said to grab my alto and we'd do "Sweet Home Chicago".  I thought that'd be sweet, with alto and tenor saxes, but Scott went back to the piano.  Okay.  I played sax anyway, even took a solo.  Pretty much everyone takes a solo in that song, but it was wacky because I'd never played it before.  That's how it goes sometimes.  Actually we all took solos during most of the songs.  It was that kind of gig.  Felt good.

Music is the best.  ♫♫
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Post by: Lucien on July 06, 2013, 09:45:54 PM
Tomorrow, me and my family are going to a house fellowship (as we are organic christians). This was the same fellowship we went to a couple of weeks ago, and like 3 people were playing on instruments (there was an acoustic guitar, a few small percussion pieces), and most of them sang. We ate and talked afterwards (I was so happy there were like 5 peers I could actually talk to.. and THEY WERE GEEKS LIKE ME!  :hefdaddy).

Yesterday, my father suggested I bring my bass and amp.

So that's what I'll be doing tomorrow  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2013, 09:53:45 PM
:tup
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Post by: YngVai on July 07, 2013, 02:11:20 AM
Just played probably the most fun gig I've ever played.  It's so much more fun when you can get a bunch of your friends to show up to a rock gig in their town when they can't be bothered to haul themselves to a jazz gig 30 miles away :lol.
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Post by: Kotowboy on July 07, 2013, 07:04:15 PM
I haven't played a gig as a drummer since November 2006.

I played a gig as a frontman when I tried to give that a go and I hated it. I'm not a frontman AT ALL. I was so awkward.

I'd rather be *just* the guitarist or *just* the drummer. I have absolutely no charisma or confidence at all.
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Post by: Orbert on July 07, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
I almost always prefer backing someone else than fronting or performing solo.  I guess there's times when I've specifically worked up a solo piece that I'd like for people to hear it, but in general, let someone else take the spotlight.  I'm just there to help make them sound good.
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Post by: Lucien on July 07, 2013, 08:12:08 PM
MOST IMPORTANT THING WHEN IMPROVISING: FINDING THE KEY SIGNATURE.

Otherwise, you're playing a bunch of notes that don't sound correct.

And with Christian (simple) music, it's going to be in either A, G, D, or C keys.

I hate A. A is my least favorite key. C and D are the easiest, but B is probably my favorite.
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Post by: SaterUM on July 09, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Hi guys!

Im a guitarrist from Ensenada Mexico :P , i love to compose and make new things :3.
I've created a song like a month ago, and it's sound good, i need opinons and tell me what you think,
it's Technical Deatm metal with some variations, hope you like it  :metal .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Hc8tethDM
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Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 03:00:09 PM
I'm thinking about picking up the bass and writing some new songs. I've got the time and a weird desire to do it lately. I'll let you cats know if I come up with anything.
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Post by: Orbert on July 10, 2013, 03:23:51 PM
That sounds kinda different.  Usually you hear about people writing songs on guitar or maybe piano, I guess because you have chords to work with, but I can't think of any reason why you couldn't write songs on bass as long as you can hear it in your head.

Do you play any other instruments?
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Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 04:41:27 PM
That sounds kinda different.  Usually you hear about people writing songs on guitar or maybe piano, I guess because you have chords to work with, but I can't think of any reason why you couldn't write songs on bass as long as you can hear it in your head.

Do you play any other instruments?

Yeah, i play guitar. I only own bass guitars now, though. I usually can write on bass and transcribe pretty well to guitar.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
That sounds kinda different.  Usually you hear about people writing songs on guitar or maybe piano, I guess because you have chords to work with, but I can't think of any reason why you couldn't write songs on bass as long as you can hear it in your head.

Do you play any other instruments?

It doesn't seem too odd to me, especially for riff based music.
When I compose music on my computer, I usually end up starting with a bass line, which sets the groove of the song, then I build upon that with the drum beat to complete the rhythm section, and then accompaniment, and the melody often comes last, or just develops at its own pace along with whatever it has to play over.
That may even seem entirely backwards, but everyone has a different approach. If you were writing a ballad, piano or guitar would probably be much better suited, but for rock/metal, bass can work quite well as a foundation for a song in my experience.
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Post by: Sketchy on July 13, 2013, 03:24:01 AM
A lot of the stuff I write starts on the bass, as that is the instrument I'm most comfortable with. You can also test out chords higher up the neck, and also using harmonics, although they won't be the same chord shapes you'd commonly use on guitar (strumming a barre chord on a bass has a habit of sounding like arse).

Granted, a lot of that stuff is co-written with a friend of mine, who plays an absolute shit-ton of instruments (even more than I currently have, I think), but bass is a pretty good one to start on, even if you might not necessarily end up with chord or melody driven stuff, there's little that beats a damn good riff for setting up a hypnotic groove.
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Post by: Elite on July 16, 2013, 03:27:07 AM
Hmm, when I write songs I'll start out with either a guitar riff, a chord progression or a melody, never with a bassline. I suppose I could try this sometime, as I do own a bass guitar. I should also play piano more often. And get my saxophone out permanently again. And get better at guitar. Once you start making music, it gets more difficult to get to do the stuff you want to, as you explore more and more about making music.
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Post by: YngVai on July 16, 2013, 12:40:32 PM
It's hard to get better at what you want, when what you want to do is always changing. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 16, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
I just started practice after a bit of a summer break so I thought why not find some fun thing on YT on snaredrum to get some inspiration....

So I found this cool drumline remix of Can't Hold Us and hot damn it's crazy written...I may have to spend some time on this fucker!  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt-Uq-rb8Q4

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Post by: Elite on July 18, 2013, 03:54:27 PM
Fucking hell, I hit a wall again in my guitar playing. Either that, or I'm just tired, but my right hand is screwing me up very badly at the moment at anything remotely fast. The frustration that comes with this is immense. Perhaps I should just stop for the day and resume tomorrow.
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Post by: Elite on July 28, 2013, 06:25:29 PM
So, anything happening here, my fellow musicians?
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Post by: Lucien on July 28, 2013, 06:26:59 PM
So, anything happening here, my fellow musicians?

Well, I'm starting to write lyrics for music I haven't come up with
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Post by: YngVai on July 28, 2013, 10:26:26 PM
So, anything happening here, my fellow musicians?
Been finally getting more and more paying gigs, but between that and my day job, I rarely have time to shed :-\
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Post by: Sketchy on July 29, 2013, 12:05:53 AM
Uh, I got given a didgeridoo, so I now have instruments from all but two human inhabited continents.
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Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 29, 2013, 12:47:29 AM
Just took the time to figure out Rose Of Sharyn and The Arms of Sorrow by Killswitch Engage.
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Post by: Elite on August 03, 2013, 09:54:16 AM
New pick-ups on my RG1527 :metal
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Post by: aprilethereal on August 05, 2013, 05:59:33 AM
I haven't even picked up my guitar for about two weeks, don't know why :-\
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Post by: adastra on August 06, 2013, 03:13:21 AM
I haven't even picked up my guitar for about two weeks, don't know why :-\

._.  I have a solution for you.... BUY A NEW GUITAR!!!  That's what I'm going to do.. I've always wanted a telecaster .
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Post by: aprilethereal on August 06, 2013, 03:22:47 AM
GIVE ME SOME MONEY! ;D
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Post by: adastra on August 06, 2013, 03:26:20 AM
GIVE ME SOME MONEY! ;D

Just sell your old ones!   :laugh:
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Post by: aprilethereal on August 06, 2013, 03:35:57 AM
Hmm I have an old acoustic that would maybe make 50€, one incredibly shitty Strat copy that nobody would buy and an Ibanez RG that I love too much to sell it. Not really that profitable :lol

I'm still a student after all ;)
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Post by: Elite on September 12, 2013, 09:07:24 AM
I'm thinking of uploading some videos of me playing random stuff on Youtube, but I don't really know where to start. Anyone else that does this? I'm thinking along the lines of guitar covers / solos etc.
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Post by: Elite on September 18, 2013, 08:57:16 AM
Nobody? :p
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Post by: Orbert on September 18, 2013, 10:06:59 AM
I would offer advice, but I have none.  I have a bunch of videos of a couple of musical things I've done, and decided to upload them to YouTube last year sometime.  That's when I discovered that YouTube had been changed and "upgraded" to the point where they're trying to make it like it's own social medium or something.  I figured I had to set up an account, but I also had to set up a home page and a bunch of shit that seemed like "Facebook lite" or something.  Then after uploading a few videos, I discovered that no one could see them because I'd managed to put them in the equivalent of the "comments" section and not on my main page.  Or something.  I never did figure out what the fuck was going on, and just gave up.
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Post by: Sketchy on September 18, 2013, 12:20:17 PM
Soundcloud is often popular.

I played the 8 string for the first time in months today. Ah, I've missed that thing.
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Post by: Lucien on September 18, 2013, 03:43:54 PM
Nobody? :p

DO A COVER OF THE FOUNTAIN OF LAMNETH  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy


J/k. But when/if I make a band, The Fountain of Lamneth will be on the early recordings  ;D
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Post by: Elite on September 19, 2013, 06:00:59 AM
Soundcloud is often popular.

I played the 8 string for the first time in months today. Ah, I've missed that thing.

Yeah, I know, but you can't really upload a video there right? I want to do some stuff of me playing along to records, so I figured Youtube would be the best place.

Also, is that an 8-stringed guitar? I still need to try that sometime!
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Post by: Sketchy on September 19, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
Ah video, true.

Nope, it's an 8 string bass (octave strings ftw)
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Post by: Elite on September 24, 2013, 03:27:04 AM
Sounds cool! I've never seen one. That thing must have a HUGE fretboard, right?
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Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 04:45:45 AM
Sounds cool! I've never seen one. That thing must have a HUGE fretboard, right?

I don't think so actually since the four additional strings are octave strings as Sketchy said. A 12 string guitar's fretboard isn't much bigger than a 6 string one either :)
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Post by: Sketchy on September 24, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
It's a little larger than a four-string fretboard, but not as large as my five string's fretboard. Here's a pic of it (and my two four string basses) from a couple of years ago.

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/76509_10150347167605585_6465523_n.jpg)

I need more basses, evidently.
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Post by: Lucien on September 25, 2013, 03:28:33 PM
I only have two, but it might as well be three since one of them is as big as me  ;D
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Post by: Sketchy on September 26, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
What type of bass is it? Human sized bass sounds cool.
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Post by: Elite on September 26, 2013, 12:20:50 AM
(https://schoolmusicneeds.com/images/double%20bass%20pic.jpg)
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Post by: Sketchy on September 26, 2013, 11:08:44 AM
1. I should have thought of that.
2. That's awesome.
3. DO WANT (But want nice keyboard and fretless 5 string first, as like hell do I have room for one of those until July at least).
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Post by: Lucien on September 26, 2013, 05:29:14 PM
(https://schoolmusicneeds.com/images/double%20bass%20pic.jpg)

I sometimes feel really humbled when I see someone cover a song like Panic Attack on Youtube.

But then I remember that I can play this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmBk0v1hp88 almost perfectly.

Loletudesfororchestra. I was just inspired to post a video of me doing that song, and the other song I'm doing for Region (which is significantly for difficult but slower)
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Post by: Sketchy on September 26, 2013, 11:47:36 PM
Is the upright particularly difficult to play?

(Granted, I should probably practice the hell out of my other instruments soon, the more obscure ones have been a little neglected this month).
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Post by: Lucien on September 27, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
Upright can be difficult to play. It generally doesn't get hugely difficult parts in most composition unless it's a solo or etude, or just one of those pieces where everyone gets a hard part. Intonation and tone are the real problems playing a bass. It's very easy to get out of tune (it's non-fretted duh). Tone is easier to get right, you just need to have good habits (DON'T POINT THE BOW AT THE FLOOR).
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Post by: Sketchy on September 27, 2013, 10:53:38 AM
I'm used to intonation problems, as I have a fretless, but I'm still a bit shit. (The fretless is the one with the black fingerboard).
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Post by: Lucien on September 27, 2013, 12:54:54 PM
My video is uploading at this very moment  ;D

I also did a bit of random crap the end. Upright bass can replace a Continuum, by the way.
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Post by: Sketchy on September 27, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
Excuse me while I squeal with excitement.
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Post by: Lucien on September 27, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mm8hq1b824

 ;D
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Post by: Sketchy on September 27, 2013, 01:27:44 PM
I'll give it a listen after this Godspeed album finishes.

What cruel bastard gave that line to an upright? Also: nice use of DT in there.
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Post by: Lucien on October 23, 2013, 04:29:26 PM
So, I just realized that I have an auxiliary adapter for the cord you plug your electric bass/keyboard/electric guitar into your amp with. AN AUXILIARY ADAPTER.

I have a microphone, an electric bass, and a keyboard I know I can do this with.

Next week I'll make some music with the assistance of my computer :caffeine:
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Post by: Orbert on November 09, 2013, 07:45:11 AM
Grrrr.   :angry:

Off to practice.  Praise band, we're playing in a fund-raising thing tomorrow which will suck because almost all of the conditions which were givens and were considered when we agreed to play have turned out to be crap.  No sound check.  There was supposed to be someone at least running sound, but no, we'll be doing it ourselves from on stage.  There was supposed to be microphones and P.A., but no, we're providing that ourselves and we don't even have enough for the whole band.  We're gonna go up there, we'll have ten minutes tops to set everything up, then play three songs.  There are ten area bands playing, and that's our slot.  We'll have no idea what it sounds like out there, and no way to fix anything anyway.

I don't even know if I enjoy playing in this band anymore.  I'm the "leader" just because I have the most experience, and can arrange tunes.  If the pastor asks us to play a certain song, some of the others might be able to find it on YouTube.  None of them would be able to just pick out their parts and learn them.  So I write up chord charts for the guitars, vocal charts for the singers, lead parts for the sax, flute, violin, whatever else I can work in to make it sound like something, learn my own part of course, and lead the rehearsals.  I'm the only one who knows how to do any of that.

The only reason I keep doing it is because it's all we have.  If I quit, not only would I be a quitter (again), but the band would completely disintegrate.  It's still my church, I'd still be going there, and everyone would know that Alpha is no more because Bob just didn't want to do it anymore.  It was too much work.  What a whiny baby.  So I keep doing it.  We actually suck, but people like hearing us, and the rest of the band likes doing it.  As long as I'm doing all the work.
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Post by: Orbert on November 09, 2013, 03:05:06 PM
Rehearsal was not a total disaster.  Actually, after working pretty hard on the vocals the other night (arrangements courtesy of yours truly), we dug up whatever P.A. we could find out of the closet, set it all up, and rehearsed with it.  It was not horrible.  If we can set up quickly tomorrow, and convince them to give us a few minutes just to check levels and stuff, we might be okay.  It's a fundraiser, so we're not getting paid (we never do) so they'll be getting their money's worth.  Actually, the people attending will have paid a $10 "contribution" so it would be nice if we sounded good for them.

It's not that I don't want to sound good.  A gig's a gig, and I'll be giving it all I have.  I'm just not overly optimistic.  All I can hope for is an audience that's not particularly demanding, and a lucky break on how the sound works out.  On stage, we're gonna sound about as good as we can.

I love show biz.   :yarr
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Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
Apparently we didn't suck.  The sound was a little low, and people said it was kinda hard to hear the vocals, but what they did hear sounded really good.  I would make a remark about the relatively low standards of the audience, but that's pretty much a given.  We couldn't hear the monitor at all, so that meant that most of the singers didn't sing very loudly.  The old problem with not singing out because you can't hear yourself and don't know how you sound.  I think this is why people said they couldn't always hear the vocals.

Also, while moving things, the pedal for the piano fell and broke, but I didn't realize that until we set up and started playing, and I had no sustain pedal.  So I got to play the entire 3-song set doing the thing where you hold the keys down as much as possible while playing, to provide sustain.  So that was fun.

In total, 11 churches were involved in this fundraiser.  We raised a total of $5200, of which $3200 came from our church.  The main guy who set everything up and organized everything was from our church, three of the bands were from our church, and we gave well over half the money.  It's like no one else had any interest.  The reason why it was so poorly organized was because our guy was doing it all, and it was supposed to be a big group effort, but no one else helped out and he had no experience with this kind of thing.  Even the ushers and ticket-takers were all ours.  Where the heck were the people from the other churches?

Oh well.  We were a big part of raising over five grand for youth services in our area, people thought we were great, and our church is already asking if we're gonna play a Christmas gig again.  Looks like I keep doing this for a while.
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Post by: Sketchy on November 18, 2013, 12:14:43 PM
Went and set up the recording gear for the first time in a while.

... It'd be nice to get "Watching" recorded this year...

Also, nice one Orbert. Hope it continues going well.
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Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2013, 12:56:40 PM
I love that feeling, the exciting feeling of setting up the gear for the first time in a while.  The anticipation.
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Post by: Sketchy on November 18, 2013, 01:37:05 PM
I restrang and retuned the guzheng recently too, now that thing is sounding gorgeous, but during the restring, I did end up covered in blood (turns out the strings for that thing are sharp at the end). But yeah, getting gear back out is so damn fun.
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Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
Damn, covered in blood just from setting up your gear!  Who says musicians don't sacrifice for their art?
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Post by: Lucien on November 18, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
So using this awesome program called MuseScore, I'm slowly composing a 5 part suite, bookended by arrangements (No One at the Bridge by Rush, and a song from a slightly obscure video game that I love).

I'm working on the arrangements first, and I've currently finished the finale of the song.
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Post by: Orbert on November 28, 2013, 11:25:14 AM
Another Christmas season, another Advent Pageant (fancy name for the Christmas play the kids do at the church).

This year, the play itself is not a musical, for the first time in many years.  Straight drama, but there will be some Christmas songs before and after, and we have a bunch of kids who can play instruments.  So they've asked me to whip up some kind of instrumental parts to "augment" the songs.  I'm thinking adding a countermelody here and there, and of course the old standby of letting a solo instrument play the intro.  Yay.

The new youth minister is pretty nuts, and she asked me if I could come up with some kind of prelude for the kids to play.  A challenge!  I've got a 4th grader who plays violin, a 7th grader who can play piano and viola, a 6th grader who plays percussion (including tuned percussion), an 8th grader who plays the flute, and another 8th grader who plays flute and electric bass.  Whoa.

Silent Night.  Marimba lays down a 3/4 pattern.  Violin comes in with the melody.  Viola comes in on the third strain with a "bass" line.  First verse finishes as a trio.  Flutes in harmony for the second verse, viola continues bass line, marimba line is simplified, violin echoes first two strains then wanders off into a countermelody/harmony thing.  Occassionally, the viola gets to do something interesting in the bottom, and once in a while things come together into a classic quartet, with the marimba as continuo. 

It's crazy because of the relatively limited skill levels of the kids, but Christmas music lends itself to that.  Simple parts, but if you play everything reasonably in tune, it will sound pretty nice.  Cooked most of it up in my head last night, wrote it up this morning, we rehearse it on Sunday.

I love show biz.  ♫♫
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Post by: Orbert on December 10, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
Just got back from playing Christmas carols at the retirement home.  An hour of faking it on the piano, first time we'd done it in three years.  30 or 35 old people are now that much happier.  :)

It's somewhat tied to the church, as we have a number of members who are also residents at the retirement home.  Our old choir director would sing, I'd play the piano, and our other tenor (there are only two of us) would usually join us.  He's got a great ear for harmony would provide a nice harmony or just double the melody.  It was somewhere between a sing-a-long and a performance.  A lot of the old folks still like to sing, but many are just there to listen and dig the Christmas songs.  It's cool either way.

Two years ago, we didn't do it because our choir director was just too busy, had too much going on.  Then last year, she apparently just never got it together.  The bummer was twofold; first, we used to get $100 each to do it, and I'll take $100 for an easy hour's work.  And I just like playing Christmas music anyway.  She told me that I could organize it if I wanted.  Right.  Unfortunately I can't really lead songs from the piano, so someone would have to step up and lead.  Michael (the other tenor) just isn't a front man, I honestly couldn't think of anyone else with the personality to do it (I'm 51 and the second youngest member of the choir - Michael is the youngest).  So it didn't happen.

This year, we have a new choir director.  Our old one finally decided that it was just too much work and not enough money.  Fine, later, see ya.  One of the old church ladies asked me if we were going to do the Christmas sing-a-long this year.  It's been a while, and they miss it.  So I pushed our new choir director into leading it.  She, Michael and I did it, just like in the old days.  Except there's also a new Activities Director at the old folks home, and I couldn't figure out how to bring up the subject of money.  I could use the $100, I'm sure they could afford it, but oh well.  I guess this is how we do it now.

On the way home, I started wondering how long it's been since I played for money.  All the church stuff is gratis of course; I've accompanied people a few times, also for free, and played a bunch of gigs just for fun.  People used to slide me cash now and then to play for them.  That doesn't happen anymore.  I guess it's kinda cool that I've finally grown up and figured out that it's not about the money.  It would be nice, yeah, but so is seeing all those old people smiling and singing.
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Post by: Orbert on December 20, 2013, 05:06:20 PM
Okay, since this thread seems to have become "Orbert's Music Diary and Brag and Whine Thread" I'm gonna just go on.

December tends to be pretty busy for me, musically, but this month has been extra fun.  Mostly church and church-related stuff, but that makes sense since most of it's been Christmas-related.  So if that bugs you... too bad.

December 8th, Sunday, the choir performed our "Christmas Cantata".  I don't know why or how it came to be called that, other than that it's catchy, but it's not really a cantata.  In the past, the church choir has performed a number of pieces from Handel's "Messiah", but honestly, that was getting old, so we went a different direction this year.  Five pieces arranged for full choir, each preceded by a scripture reading, taking us through the Christmas story.  Nice variety to the songs, nice arrangements (each was anthem-quality), and I even got to play the flute on one of them.  And then we finished with "The Hallelujah Chorus".  So six pieces altogether, extra rehearsals, great stuff.

December 10th, Tuesday evening, the aforementioned Christmas sing-a-long thing at the old folks' home.  I just played the piano, and literally got a cookie for my efforts.  It was a good one, though.  Chocolate chip.  Big and thick and soft and gooey.  I'd gone there straight from work and hadn't eaten dinner yet, but I had to be a little bit social, so one cookie.

This past Sunday, the 15th, was the Children's Christmas Pageant.  It was drama this year, rather than a musical as it's always been in years past, but since we have a lot of kids who play instruments, they asked me to come up with stuff for them to do.  I was given some specific things to try and do, but a fair amount of rein in how to do it.  Altogether, I ended up adding two flutes and a viola to "What Child Is This?" (instrumental intro, various countermelodies and augmentations throughout); a clarinet to "Away in a Manger" (same, but more advanced since he's really good and can wail); and the show-stopper, "Silent Night" ended up being two flutes, violin, viola, bells, and acoustic guitar.

I was originally told that it would be the Prelude, just a nice instrumental thing to set the mood, so I went with two verses, pretty simple arrangement.  I didn't have the guitar, and the tuned percussionist was going to play marimba, not bells, so the marimba laid down the pattern, and the strings and flutes played around.  Then they wanted to make it the offertory and asked me to make it longer, three verses.  Argh.  I hate it when that happens.  Also, my percussionist didn't like the marimba and asked if she could play her bell set.  This completely changed the dynamics of the arrangement, and at this point I only had a week.  Later that same rehearsal, I was told that I'd have a guitarist available.  Problem solved.  He strums acoustic guitar throughout to give everything a base, bells get to play around, double the melody/harmony here and there, everyone gets their chance to shine.  When it's three verses of instrumental, it can really start sounding like the same thing over and over, so you have to get creative.  Start it simpler, build it up as you go (or otherwise vary things), give different sections their turns at melody, harmony, and various counters, that kind of thing.  The big constraint was the relatively limited skill level of the musicians.  The violinist was fourth grade, the flutes are eighth grade; that was my range.  I used all the tricks I could think of.  People seemed to really like it.

This Sunday, the praise band is doing three songs plus the offertory.  Our personnel has changed since last year, I'm down one flute and one guitar, so I had my choice of coming up with a new instrumental or revamping the old one.  Kinda cheesy, but I ended up reworking the one from last year.  Violin, flute, and soprano sax for leads, acoustic guitar and piano for continuo and color.  I'm not 100% happy with it, but my audience isn't particularly demanding and I'm sure everyone will rave.  That's not a brag; they pretty much go nuts anyway.  They're a very appreciative congregation.  Last week, our guitarist came up with this wacky idea to lead a sing-a-long 15 minutes before the start of the service.  Most people get to church early, hang out, drink coffee, and chat.  The choir is rehearsing, and there's the people who set up the coffee and snacks anyway.  So starting at quarter to, we'll play five songs and dare people to come in and sing with us.  Secular yet Christmas/winter-related songs, like "Jingle Bells", "Winter Wonderland", etc.  Rehearsal tomorrow.  And oh yeah, the choir is still doing the anthem.  So I'll be singing, playing keyboards, and flute at various times throughout.

On the 29th, the choir gets the day off, since so many of us are out of town for the winter break and stuff.  They asked me if I'd be around, and I am, since we're broke and never go anywhere.  They asked if I could put together some music.  I'm just gonna do a piano solo.  I'm trying to decide between some kind of wacky fantasia of Christmas songs/hymns, or just a single song done up.  I'm leaning towards the latter since it will be less work, but you never know.

About a month ago, I was contacted by a girl who used to sing in the bands with me at one of my other churches (I have a few, kinda) about joining a band.  A regular band, classic rock.  They were getting together for an initial run-through and getting-to-know-you, I think it was back on the 7th, but I couldn't make it because I was rehearsing with the kids.  I told her that December is just too crazy, but I'm interested and please keep me in mind.  Church music will calm down significantly after the holidays, so if they still need a keyboard player come January, let me know.  She contacted me again the other day, asked if she could give them my email and phone number, and I provided them.  So we'll see.  I might actually be playing in a real band, first time in years.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 21, 2013, 10:58:51 PM
Your church sounds freaking epic, Orbert.  I lead worship in my congregation and most, if not every Sunday, we are a power trio :lol.  I have a Geddy-esque midi keyboard pedal-board thing which I use to run Mainstage, just for pads and the like, to fill out the sound.  Which can be a doozy to get around considering I'm playing the only guitar (electric, so I have guitar pedals to keep my feet extra busy) and singing, leading the band and the congregation.  I'd love to be at a service conducted by you, sounds like it would be so beautiful. 
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Post by: Lucien on December 21, 2013, 11:13:13 PM
Midwest Clinic was FUUUUUUUN. We also won like 3 significant spots, so that's amazing.
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Post by: Orbert on December 21, 2013, 11:22:51 PM
Congrats!  :tup

Your church sounds freaking epic, Orbert.  I lead worship in my congregation and most, if not every Sunday, we are a power trio :lol.  I have a Geddy-esque midi keyboard pedal-board thing which I use to run Mainstage, just for pads and the like, to fill out the sound.  Which can be a doozy to get around considering I'm playing the only guitar (electric, so I have guitar pedals to keep my feet extra busy) and singing, leading the band and the congregation.  I'd love to be at a service conducted by you, sounds like it would be so beautiful. 

Our church is actually pretty small, maybe 60 or 80 people in attendance any given Sunday.  We just do a lot of music.  I guess I'm one of the more active ones, just because it seems to me like these musical things should be happening, and since I can do it, I do it.  I lead, or at least participate.  Someone has to.  It's weird; when I was growing up, everyone took piano lessons, most kids took band or orchestra, so most people I know play at least one or two instruments.  Or maybe it was just the people I hung out with.  I don't have a lot to give, but I can contribute my music, and people seem to dig it, so I do it.

In other news, I got a call tonight from the guy from the band that needs a keyboard player.  Unfortunately, it was while we were on our way out to dinner with another couple.  All four of us were in the car, I was driving, plus it was raining, so I didn't really want to talk on the phone at the time.  You know how people ask "Is this a bad time for you?"  Well, it was.  He understood, and said he'd call me back tomorrow afternoon.  I hope he does.  I want to play in a band.  A real band.
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Post by: Sketchy on December 22, 2013, 03:59:50 AM
My friend who plays crazy instruments turned up yesterday and demoed both a new song he's got (with an accoustic in drop-B) and a new instrument he's got (Irish bouzouki). We ended up getting the beginnings of two new songs which are guzheng and bouzouki driven.

Hopefully in March, I'll have a week or two off to work on said songs and record some others too.

Also: Hope you can get in a band again soon, Orbert.
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Post by: Orbert on January 05, 2014, 10:43:42 PM
The guy called me back the next day, as he said he would.  It was a little different, but I can't say it was too weird considering the circumstances.  We're all fogies, in our 50's.  We used to play in bands back in the 70's and 80s.  It was just called Rock and Roll then, but now it's Classic Rock or 70's Rock.  Through a couple of different websites aimed at putting people together based on similar interests, he's assembled a second guitarist (he plays guitar), a bassist, and a drummer, also a male and female vocalist.  His "vision" is to have a singer of each gender to maximize the number of songs we can cover, and they can harmonize as needed, possibly adding one or more voices from the others.

The first male singer didn't work out, and they didn't have a keyboard player, so a week from today, I'll join them on keys, and the new male singer will also be there for the first time.  Right after Christmas, the drummer dropped out, citing previously unforseen conflicts, so a new drummer will now be starting as well.

The "different but not really weird" part is that it's somewhat business-like.  We talked on the phone for 45 minutes.  Talked about my musical background as well as my personal life.  He's the CIO of a major corporation; he's doing alright, and has no illusions of being a "rock star" as most of us did when we were younger.  This is strictly to get together and play music, hopefully very well, with other like-minded folks that he can get along with.  And if we ultimately end up playing weddings or parties and making some money, that's cool too, but it's not the primary goal.  So the lengthy phone call was like an interview, a phone screening.  By the end, he said I sounded like a good fit.  We have similar tastes in music, are around the same age, and played in bars back around the same time.  We all miss playing, and are just looking to play in a band again.

Through email, he sent out mp3's and chord charts for four songs, which everyone will practice individually, and we'll put them together on the 12th.  They're the same songs the others played last month, but half the band is new now.  "China Grove" by The Doobie Brothers, "High On You" by Survivor, "I Saw Her Standing There" by The Beatles, and "Spooky" by The Atlanta Rhythm Section.  All original keys, all original arrangements.  "High On You" fades out at the end, but we found a live version of it with an ending, so we'll do that.

The Beatles song is the only one without keyboards, but interestingly, there are handclaps throughout, and I have a couple of different presets with various sounds, including handclaps.  So I'll "play" the handclaps at the runthrough.  Will they be impressed at my initiative?  I don't know.  But in general, keyboard players are there to fill things in, and I'm covering something that's on the original record.  The song will sound better, and if they say anything, hey, it's on the record so I played it.  There were songs back in the old days that didn't have keys, and I sometimes grabbed a tambourine or woodblock, but sometimes those were just songs which I sat out.  I hated that.  If the band has keys, you play songs with keys, none of this "Well, you just don't play on this song" bullshit.

Anyway, we'll see.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2014, 10:55:43 PM
These days keyboards a great "catch all" for any instrument or sound effect that another band member isn't playing, whether it was originally a keyboard part or not. Anything that makes the song sound closer to the original studio recording that people know and love and want to hear, all the better, I say.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 06, 2014, 02:54:33 AM
Lately I've been trying to make my rig more of a classic keys rig. I don't want to press a button and have a complete patch setup full of splits, pre-fixed effects etc. Nowadays I have my NordStage, with either a cool Rhodes, or a B3, a cool Synth Lead on my Korg R3, a cool Synth Bass on my MS20Mini, and a small iPhone-midi-keyboard with either some strings or a mellotron on it.
Everything else I have to do, I do live. Want a soft organ for this song? Just set it in the milliseconds you have between songs. Some crunch on that rhodes sound? Turn the drive up a little. That way I'm not a fifth 'make it sound like the original' bandmember, but more like a guitar player. I've got a sound, and I can fiddle with that, but nearly everything is live.
The point is, there are not a lot of bands that dig that. It's kinda like the Jordan Rudess (everything is set up) vs. the Derek Sherinian (classic instruments, everything is there when you need it) approach.

Here's my setup
(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1499434_615912878457091_1797270556_n.jpg)
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Post by: Orbert on January 06, 2014, 07:48:39 AM
I agree with you regarding the Jordan vs. Derek thing.  I have to admit, Jordan's setup is pretty damned cool, how the entire set list is pre-programmed, and all he has to do is hit a foot switch, and he goes from synth to piano to organ; pre-split, doubled; before, during and after songs.

But I always feel more like a "real keyboard player" when I actually have to hit some buttons or tweak some knobs between or during songs.  To all three people out there paying attention to me, yes I actually do know what all this shit does.

These days keyboards a great "catch all" for any instrument or sound effect that another band member isn't playing, whether it was originally a keyboard part or not. Anything that makes the song sound closer to the original studio recording that people know and love and want to hear, all the better, I say.

That's my attitude as well.  It's gonna sound better having the part covered, especially if the alternative is me doing nothing.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 06, 2014, 09:01:15 AM
But I always feel more like a "real keyboard player" when I actually have to hit some buttons or tweak some knobs between or during songs.  To all three people out there paying attention to me, yes I actually do know what all this shit does.


That's my attitude as well.  It's gonna sound better having the part covered, especially if the alternative is me doing nothing.

If the alternative is doing nothing I'd go with playing handclaps, yes. With the Beatles songs we play, I usually fire up an old, distorted Farfisa organ, sounds pretty 60's. Or drink whiskey, but that's not really something to do during rehearsal. I totally agree with the way you approach keyboard playing though!
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 08, 2014, 09:14:37 PM
Nihil (or Orbert) What iphone app do you use for Mellotron sounds?? 
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Post by: Orbert on January 08, 2014, 09:45:04 PM
I can't answer that one.  I don't have an iPhone.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 09, 2014, 11:23:35 PM
Nihil (or Orbert) What iphone app do you use for Mellotron sounds??

Super Manetron! By far the best!
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Post by: Orbert on January 13, 2014, 10:49:25 PM
So I played with the new "almost-band".  Okay, it wasn't horrible.

The Good:

In two hours, we locked down four songs.  That may not sound like much (and it's not), but this is starting from nothing, and ending up with four songs we could play all the way through, everybody getting all their parts, vocals, instrumentals, breaks, everything.  Live performance quality.  And it sounded damned good.  Really.

The Bad:

John, the "organizer" (he emphasizes that he is not the "leader" but merely the one who organizes and schedules everything), started off by explaining the "rules".  We start the song, and any time someone gets lost or can't hear something or hears something bad, we stop and fix it.  Okay, that's one way to do it, I guess, but I'm used to at least plowing through the song the first time, and only stopping if it becomes a complete train wreck and we literally can't continue.  A lot of things work themselves out once you've played through the song once or twice.  Instead, we literally would play 20 or thirty seconds, stop, figure out what the problem was, fix it, start again.  Repeat.  And the vast majority of the time, it was stopping so that the guitarists and/or bassist could get something figured out.  They are the ones who've already rehearsed this stuff once!  The drummer and I, both of us new but apparently much better prepared, just ended up looking at each other and grinning and shrugging a lot.  We never said a word, but it was there.  "What? Didn't these guy learns their parts first?"  Never once did we have to stop for me or the drummer.

But hopefully that will get better.  I mean, I knew I was "trying out" so I've done nothing but listen to these songs on my iPod at home, in the car, and while working out.  I've played along with them, played without them, played them in my head while going to sleep.  I had my parts down.  What the heck were the other guys doing the past month?  I used to learn four songs a week.  These guys have had two months.

So it was a slow start, but a start.  By the end, we had four songs locked and we sat at the big table, had a beer/pop/water, and talked about the future of the band.  We're all in (for now).  We'll put together songs lists, start adding two songs per week, and in four months we should have 30 songs, enough to play a gig somewhere.

It's interesting.  I've never played in a band with "strangers" before.  It's always been the guys I grew up with, or at least one or two guys I knew, plus some friend of somebody's, something like that.  Here, I knew Karen the singer, she's how I got hooked up with these guys, but everyone else was new to me.  We all got on pretty well; we're all professionals, not kids with raging egos and delusions of becoming rock stars, so it was very well organized (almost too organized, really).  But once we get more comfortable with each other and our "real" personalities start to show, we'll see how well we still get along.  For now, it's just fun playing again.  The next couple of rehearsals will reveal much.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on January 14, 2014, 04:52:14 PM
Progress is progress. What type of music are you guys playing?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: genome on January 14, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
Took part in the competition to win a spot at Bloodstock Festival this year (Down, Megadeth, Emperor headlining), and we absolutely smashed our heat, up against some very good bands. The judges were positively glowing about us.

Well chuffed. Through to the semis  ;D
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 14, 2014, 10:06:28 PM
Congrats, and good luck in the semis!

Progress is progress. What type of music are you guys playing?

"Classic rock" -- whatever that means.  We all played in bar bands in the 70's, some of us in the 80's and beyond, and some still play.  We learned a 60's tune, two 70's tunes, and an 80's tune on Sunday.  Ultimately, I think we should focus more on just 70's and 80's.

With two singers, two guitarists, a bassist, drummer, and keyboardist, we'll never make any money, but if we're lucky we'll reach the point where we get paid enough to cover gas to get to the gig.  I have no idea how much bands make these days, I've been out of the biz for so long, but we're splitting it seven ways after expenses, so it's not going to be much anyway.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Konrad on January 16, 2014, 07:05:10 AM
Well, i'm a guitar player, piano sratcher, violin noob, cello loverand bad singer.

 Always listened to good music since i was inside mommy... Things going from Bach and Paganini to Genesis, Yes, Iron Maiden, Helloween and stuff. Got a little acoustic guitar at age 4, which i used to play until i took it to "brind your favourite toy day" in school and it broke. Yeah.
 Then i started playing with piano (yes, WITH piano, because i couldn't play shit). It was from my grandmother. It was always fun to create sounds ant try to play things i heard. Good times.
 When i was 12 years old, the electric guitar came in, and so my love for music grew stronger every day. I started taking classes and practiced whole days with a cheap stratocaster. The strings were so high that i could put my pinky under it. That got my arm quite injuried, since i played with tons of tension. Everything i practiced in my first year of guitar was downpicked and with legatto, everything with a lot of tension. I'v cut my fingers open, washed my fingerboard in blood, because of how much i sweated and how rusted the strings got after 1-2 days. I HAD to buy a new guitar. And so did i. I bought my first decent guitar, an Ibanez RG 370, which costed me around USD$1000, because of my country's taxes. :angry:. Well, that was a great boost to my musical interest, and so i kept practicing every day... And here i am :D

Now i really wanna learn to play other instruments, like Sax, Cello and Violin, and play piano again. That's kinda hard where i live, because everything is so expensive...

Still don't know what i want with music...
My plans are to go to a good college of music, not just for the classes, but also to meet people in this area, and maybe create something...


Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on February 12, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
Update on the "almost band" that I'm playing with.  We decided that to start building our song list, we'd each email five songs to Rob the bassist, and he'd set up a Survey Monkey.  Each of the seven of us would rank the songs from 1 to 5 indicating how much we liked the song and/or would want to play it.  Survey Monkeys are anonymous.  After everyone votes, Rob ranks them based on average score, and we use that as our guide to narrowing the field.  This was all Rob's idea; he volunteered to do all this.

Dave (singer) screwed up and accidentally emailed his list to everyone.  Rick (guitarist) offerred his feedback by replying to all, and it was not positive.  Dave's a bit younger than the rest of us and is more into 80's and 90's stuff, and his list of songs reflected that, whereas the rest of us are all old farts and prefer 70's.  Anyway, I'm not sure what Rick's problem was, but he didn't hold back.  Lots of big red bold letters, THIS ISN'T CLASSIC ROCK and NO!  NO!  NO! next to every song.  Shit like that.  What an asshole.  So Dave quit.  His official reason was that a conflict has come up and he won't be able to continue with the band.  To be honest, I'd rather have had Dave than Rick.  With me on keys, we need a second guitar less than we need a good singer, and he was a great singer.

This all went down two weeks ago, also Karen (the other singer) had an emergency at home, and Rob threw his back out shoveling snow, so practice was cancelled, during which time John launched a new search for another male singer.  He also contacted Rick and presumably told him to stop being an asshole.

We got together last night, with the new singer, who also plays guitar.  He told us that he actually considers himself a guitarist first, and a singer second.  He likes to sing, but doesn't want to sing all the leads, so it's great that we have Karen as well.  He's a pretty good guitarist and not a bad singer.  So great, now we have three guitarists.  Oh yeah, Karen texted John earlier, saying she'd be there, but she never showed up.  John texted her, made sure she was coming, but she never answered.  She actually lives the closest to John, less than 10 minutes away.  Karen was on Facebook today, posting silly shit, so apparently she didn't get in a wreck on the way over or anything; she just didn't want to be there.  I think Karen is gonna quit, too.  That's too bad.  Karen's the one who got me into the band.  I don't even know the rest of these guys.

I still don't really care.  I just like playing.  We ran through a bunch of songs, tried out the new singer/guitarist, and it was all right.  With seven of us, we're never gonna make any money anyway, but some of the others said that there was no point in learning songs if we're never gonna gig anywhere.  I guess I can see that, and I'm not opposed to gigging.  Hell, it would be fun.  I haven't gigged regularly in 30 years.  But it's not my main goal.  I'll show up to practices, I'll have my parts down (I always do), and if we ever can keep any singers long enough, we might even have a band.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 13, 2014, 03:41:46 AM
Aw Orbert, one day you'll get the band you deserve and rock the fuck out and it will be awesome.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on February 13, 2014, 07:54:27 AM
Yeah, it's one of those situations which would actually be comical if it weren't so pathetic.  A bunch of fogeys trying to put a band together, apparently with no idea how, and with mostly different ideas about what we're doing in the first place.  But as I said, it was fun just playing with other guys.  I'll haul my gear half an hour up the road every couple of weeks to jam.   I guess I can see it getting old after a while, but for now, what the hell.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 13, 2014, 08:24:05 AM
Organizing any group is going to have problems, which seem to compound with the more people you have involved, which is why putting together a band with a common goal and motivation is so seemingly difficult.
It goes for any task really. That's one reason I like to stick to the safety of working alone wherever possible to avoid relying on other people flaking out or just drifting apart from the same goal (that and having no friends :neverusethis: ).

And it probably gets even harder as you get older too, with more responsibilities and less disposable/expendable income for starting up and messing around.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on February 13, 2014, 09:57:41 AM
Yep.  All of those things.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on February 25, 2014, 03:37:01 PM
And one other thing.  When you're in junior high, playing in the garage with your bros, it's not a huge deal if one or more of you isn't exactly professional quality.  It's just for fun.  Okay, some of you might be naive enough to think that you're great and will become rock stars, but eventually you grow up.  35 years later, I still get together with those guys back home once or twice a year and have a great time.  There's nothing like jamming with guys you've known all your life.  It's gonna be fun anyway.

But this is different.  Most of us don't know each other, or didn't before signing up for this thing, so there's no personal connection.  And none of us are under any delusions that we'll someday be rock stars; we're definitely just doing this for fun.  But it's no fun if one or more guys is an asshole and/or doesn't learn his parts and/or can't play in the first place.  We practiced again last weekend, four songs, everyone knew what to learn, the guitarists exchanged emails on the side to make sure everyone knew who was playing what part.  Rick is still an asshole.  "Oh, I thought I was playing this part." And "Hey, I know we agreed to <something> but I just thought it would sound better if I played <something else>."  Seriously, dude?

Then the clincher.  Afterwards, we're packing up and hauling stuff out to our cars.  Some guys leave some gear there, singers travel pretty light, Terry the drummer just leaves his kit there (he has three!), but I have to make multiple trips up and down the stairs (keyboards, amp, stand).  I head down for my second load, and John is there with some of the others, and he says "Hey, while I've got you guys here, can I ask your opinion of Rick?  Do you think he's going to be a problem in the future?"  And three of us immediately say "Yes" and go into reasons why and examples so far.  My biggie is that we now have three guitarists, and we just don't need that.  Even if there are three distinct guitar parts on the record, two will be played and I can cover/fill on keyboards.  It will sound fine.

John shares with us that Rick actually took him aside just a few minutes ago and said "I don't know how much more of this I can take."  That surprised John, but he diplomatically asked him to elaborate.  "You know, there's all this pressure to learn all these songs, and it's like we're supposed to have everything just right.  Like, there's no room for any real grooving or anything."  Or however he put it.

Yeah, we pick the songs, and we each have two weeks to learn four songs.  Studio versions, as closely as possible; we'll explore ways to "liven them up" as we go, but everyone has to start from the same place.  Yes, you're supposed to come to practice after actually having learned your parts.  Don't waste band practice time learning your individual part, and don't argue about what you think would sound better after everyone has agreed on who plays what.

So, sorry Rick, but you're an asshole and you can't play.  Plus, none of us know you from Adam, so that doesn't leave many reasons to keep you in the band.  After getting our feedback, John said he'd been contacting Rick this week to let him know that the band "will be moving forward without him".  There's a reason this guy is a VP of a company.  He takes charge, and he runs a tight ship.  We've still got a lot of shit to work out, but we're getting there.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Obfuscation on February 25, 2014, 10:23:01 PM
And one other thing.  When you're in junior high, playing in the garage with your bros, it's not a huge deal if one or more of you isn't exactly professional quality.  It's just for fun.  Okay, some of you might be naive enough to think that you're great and will become rock stars, but eventually you grow up.  35 years later, I still get together with those guys back home once or twice a year and have a great time.  There's nothing like jamming with guys you've known all your life.  It's gonna be fun anyway.

But this is different.  Most of us don't know each other, or didn't before signing up for this thing, so there's no personal connection.  And none of us are under any delusions that we'll someday be rock stars; we're definitely just doing this for fun.  But it's no fun if one or more guys is an asshole and/or doesn't learn his parts and/or can't play in the first place.  We practiced again last weekend, four songs, everyone knew what to learn, the guitarists exchanged emails on the side to make sure everyone knew who was playing what part.  Rick is still an asshole.  "Oh, I thought I was playing this part." And "Hey, I know we agreed to <something> but I just thought it would sound better if I played <something else>."  Seriously, dude?

Then the clincher.  Afterwards, we're packing up and hauling stuff out to our cars.  Some guys leave some gear there, singers travel pretty light, Terry the drummer just leaves his kit there (he has three!), but I have to make multiple trips up and down the stairs (keyboards, amp, stand).  I head down for my second load, and John is there with some of the others, and he says "Hey, while I've got you guys here, can I ask your opinion of Rick?  Do you think he's going to be a problem in the future?"  And three of us immediately say "Yes" and go into reasons why and examples so far.  My biggie is that we now have three guitarists, and we just don't need that.  Even if there are three distinct guitar parts on the record, two will be played and I can cover/fill on keyboards.  It will sound fine.

John shares with us that Rick actually took him aside just a few minutes ago and said "I don't know how much more of this I can take."  That surprised John, but he diplomatically asked him to elaborate.  "You know, there's all this pressure to learn all these songs, and it's like we're supposed to have everything just right.  Like, there's no room for any real grooving or anything."  Or however he put it.

Yeah, we pick the songs, and we each have two weeks to learn four songs.  Studio versions, as closely as possible; we'll explore ways to "liven them up" as we go, but everyone has to start from the same place.  Yes, you're supposed to come to practice after actually having learned your parts.  Don't waste band practice time learning your individual part, and don't argue about what you think would sound better after everyone has agreed on who plays what.

So, sorry Rick, but you're an asshole and you can't play.  Plus, none of us know you from Adam, so that doesn't leave many reasons to keep you in the band.  After getting our feedback, John said he'd been contacting Rick this week to let him know that the band "will be moving forward without him".  There's a reason this guy is a VP of a company.  He takes charge, and he runs a tight ship.  We've still got a lot of shit to work out, but we're getting there.

I just read some of your posts today about this band you've been practicing lately and want to say its great you guys got rid of that Rick problem quickly before it turned into a bigger problem and messed up the entire band. Hopefully this is a good push for the band in the right direction and everything else goes up for you guys.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on February 26, 2014, 12:24:33 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on February 26, 2014, 08:18:01 AM
We're getting more to where everyone's on the same page.  The only remaining instance of people pulling in fundamentally different directions -- which hasn't caused a real problem thus far, but still might -- is how often we practice and how fast we get songs down.

The original concept was John was just putting a band together to play songs in his basement and have fun, because he misses doing that, and is in a place in his life where he's got some time to do it and some money for some equipment.  After that second practice, the first one I was at, we sounded good.  I mean, damned good.  It was only four songs, but we could've played them live in a bar, we were that tight.

So suddenly (some) people are talking about actually getting out and playing.  How often?  One a month, twice a month?  And if we're serious about that, learning four songs every two weeks isn't gonna cut it.  Problem is, we have day jobs, and varying degrees of free time, so that's about the best some of us can do.  I'm out of town this weekend, so when I left Sunday, the next practice was set for two weeks hence.  Then emails went out yesterday, John asking who's around this weekend and when, and everyone except me is getting together.  There's one song left with no keys, and Steve the new singer still needs to be brought up to speed on the other songs.  (I noticed that Rick is not on these emails, so that's good.)  John made the point that this is all they can do until Bob gets back, so I don't fear for my position or anything.  Everyone else seems to think I'm fine, and John's a staight-shooter.

Argh.  Sorry for dominating this thread so much lately.  Apparently I need to get a lot of this off my chest.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Obfuscation on February 27, 2014, 02:53:45 PM
We're getting more to where everyone's on the same page.  The only remaining instance of people pulling in fundamentally different directions -- which hasn't caused a real problem thus far, but still might -- is how often we practice and how fast we get songs down.

The original concept was John was just putting a band together to play songs in his basement and have fun, because he misses doing that, and is in a place in his life where he's got some time to do it and some money for some equipment.  After that second practice, the first one I was at, we sounded good.  I mean, damned good.  It was only four songs, but we could've played them live in a bar, we were that tight.

So suddenly (some) people are talking about actually getting out and playing.  How often?  One a month, twice a month?  And if we're serious about that, learning four songs every two weeks isn't gonna cut it.  Problem is, we have day jobs, and varying degrees of free time, so that's about the best some of us can do.  I'm out of town this weekend, so when I left Sunday, the next practice was set for two weeks hence.  Then emails went out yesterday, John asking who's around this weekend and when, and everyone except me is getting together.  There's one song left with no keys, and Steve the new singer still needs to be brought up to speed on the other songs.  (I noticed that Rick is not on these emails, so that's good.)  John made the point that this is all they can do until Bob gets back, so I don't fear for my position or anything.  Everyone else seems to think I'm fine, and John's a staight-shooter.

Argh.  Sorry for dominating this thread so much lately.  Apparently I need to get a lot of this off my chest.

I've enjoyed your posts so far and need more. Sounds like a band's autobiography being written down here. I like it. :hat
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on February 27, 2014, 03:03:35 PM
So on Saturday I'm auditioning at University of Texas at Arlington, where I will be auditioning with these things:

C major, C minor, G major, and G minor 2 octave scales
Mozart Symphony 40 excerpt (mvt. 1)
Beethoven Symphony 5 excerpt (mvt. 3)
Simandl Bass Etude #17
Dragonetti Concerto in A minor (mvt. 1)

That is some tough stuff, but I've basically perfected 3/5 of those things. Tonight I will finish perfecting all of them.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on February 27, 2014, 10:34:24 PM
Go get 'em!

Also:  Man, I hate proficiencies.  Scales and arpeggios and other technical stuff.  Yes, I understand why it's required, and I actually believe that mastering that stuff can make you a better player.  But I still hate it.

I've enjoyed your posts so far and need more. Sounds like a band's autobiography being written down here. I like it. :hat

Thanks. :) I at least try to make it interesting.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 28, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
Go get 'em!

Also:  Man, I hate proficiencies.  Scales and arpeggios and other technical stuff.  Yes, I understand why it's required, and I actually believe that mastering that stuff can make you a better player.  But I still hate it.

I've enjoyed your posts so far and need more. Sounds like a band's autobiography being written down here. I like it. :hat

Thanks. :) I at least try to make it interesting.

I always feel like you should master them, and then forget about them as quickly as possible. There was a time, during conservatory, when all my solo's were basically scales and arpeggio's. I couldn't play one single good sounding melody.

So me and my band player for our biggest crowd so far last wednesday. Three olympic speed skaters come from Zwolle (our home town) and there was a big ceremony. There was a square that could fit 6,000 people, but there was a big screen on another square where there we're at least hundreds, maybe a few thousands more too. (We've only heard other peoples estimates, as the entire crew was needed on stage). Here's a picture:

(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1620669_554390904668159_128861895_n.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhbb6ugIIAES6dY.jpg)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 22, 2014, 10:46:43 PM
Wow, it's been a month already?  Must be time for another update.

So Rick is out.  Good.  He was a head case, and honestly wasn't that great on guitar anyway.  We've rehearsed three more times, and we keep getting better.  First set is almost done.  We have 11 songs.  Yesterday, we were going to get together for the fourth week in a row, just to nail down all the songs, and learn that 12th song.

Friday night, John called me with bad news.  Rob the bass player had fought off cancer three years ago, it was in remission, but now it's back.  They had talked for a while, and basically Rob was giving us an out.  He loves playing, he still wants to be in the band, but he has to be honest in that these next few months will be really tough for him, and his head will not be in it, not to mention whatever will happen to his body during the treatment.  They're starting chemotherapy pretty much immediately, of course.

At this critical point in the band's development, do we wait six or eight weeks for Rob to get the treatment he needs, then slowly work him back in, then slowly move forward?  Or as a practical matter, do we start looking for a new bass player?  Because, for all we know, this is it for Rob.  Even if he beats it, he won't be 100% and we'll have put things on hold for 6-8 weeks anyway.  He told John that he totally understood if we moved on without him.  I read that as him giving us an out.

John and I talked for maybe 15 minutes.  I told him that we should start looking for a new bass player.  I also reminded him that Karen's husband Mike is a bass player, and I've played with Mike before.  He's a good guy and a great bass player; there's no doubt in my mind that he could step right in and learn the songs.  He probably already knows many if not most of them.  It occurred to me at that point, and I didn't share it with John, that Rob is actually the weakest link at this point.  Now that the Rick problem is solved, Rob is the one who shows up to practice most often without having learned the songs.  He usually has an excuse, some of which are even pretty good, but it's somewhat annoying.  He learned a different version, or he couldn't find the mp3 (both of those excuses suck because I've already told everyone that I have every single song we've talked about, and can always get them).  Or he didn't have time because he was out of time.  Well, that one's better because we know he travels for work a lot, but combine that with the other times, and it's not great.

Still, cutting the guy because he has cancer and we don't want to wait around for him seems really cold.  But that's what I told John we should do, since he was asking.  And I kinda felt shitty about it, but again, I didn't know any of these guys before January.  I knew Karen, and personally I'd rather play with Mike anyway.  The rest of them, well, sorry.  We're trying to put a band together.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on March 24, 2014, 06:40:34 PM
Wrote this piece for my hero and friend, Jason Becker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDXkkojT4Ew
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 25, 2014, 06:58:49 AM
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Letting people go is always difficult, especially when it's because of a disease. You could however make some sort of agreement, that when he is back to full strength he could start rehearsing again, and you could get a new guy, but letting that new guy know that's it's maybe only for a short period of time. On the other hand you have a way to say 'well to be honest, it's been pretty awesome with the new guy, so we're sorry but that's it'. That way you don't have to deliver the bad news right now, and you still keep a door open for him to come back.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 25, 2014, 07:12:23 AM
The situation is just so different from any other band I've been in.  I've never been in a band before that didn't start with most if not all of the guys being friends first, and deciding to form a band.  Guys from school, guys I grew up with in the neighborhood.  The bond is already there; the music is better or at least more fun and worthwhile because it's your friends, and the friendship is strengthened by the music being made together.

Or at the very least, after a personnel change or two, it's an established, working band.  You've gelled, you have gigs, then someone suddenly can no longer play.  The answer there is pretty obvious; you have to replace them.  This isn't just for fun, there are contracts in place and money will change hands.

Here, the band isn't even working yet, and we're still mostly getting to know each other.  Bringing someone in temporarily is an idea, but in everyone's minds, it's temporary, and there's just that much less commitment to it, and that will affect things.  How fair would it be to the temp guy to send him on his way if/when Rob gets better?  No, at this point, the change must be permanent.  It's cold, but sometimes there is no easy solution.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: FreezingPoint on March 25, 2014, 10:04:34 AM
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Firstly, I would like to thank you for sharing your experiences here. I’ve never been in a band before, generally just working on recording projects by myself, so I always enjoy when people share their band stories. It’s an interesting dynamic for sure.

I don’t think it is cold to move on from Rob at all. Nor should you feel bad about it. If you guys continue on like you always have, still leaving Rob at bass and expecting for him to continue his regular duties, that would be unfair to both him and the band. Especially if you guys want to start playing some more gigs. And after all, it is just a band and his health is the first priority for sure. 

Also, waiting for him wouldn’t be a good solution either. That would be unfair to the band, would stall the band’s progress. If he is a sensible person, he would probably see this.

The hard part of course, is telling him. I think the best solution would be have the entire band meet (or if there are one or two “leaders”) and just talk it over. Ask him how he is doing. Ask “How do you feel about playing in the band?” Say that you understand that he is going through a lot right now, will have a lot of commitments, and if he needs to drop out of the band, you guys completely understand. Leave the decision up to him, or set him up to make a decision. I think overall it’s the best decision for him and it’s the best decision for the band.

I think also, if he decides to leave and you guys part ways, offer to have him come and listen to a rehearsal if he feels up to it, or any shows. Still include him in the loop from time to time.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 25, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
Wow, just an hour ago I received an email update from John (our fearless leader) thanking Rob for his time with us and for having the courage to gracefully step down so that the band can continue to form and grow (they'd spoken privately - it's official).  John is a corporate executive with years of experience writing emails and and, on occassion, having to let people go both publicly and privately, so that was the short version.  His email regarding cutting Rick was similarly elegant.

The rest of the email outlined the next step, which is auditioning new bass players.  Priority is (1) Karen's husband Mike, who is currently in another project in the same formative stages but who would like to be in a band with his wife, (2) other bass players that anyone in the band knows and can recommend, and (3) a few leads out on BandMix.com, one of whom has already expressed interest.  John asked for people's availabilty this Sunday for auditions, so we're moving forward, and quickly.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: FreezingPoint on March 25, 2014, 10:39:13 AM
Well, I typed all that for naught, but I'm glad to hear it worked out.

Do you think that both husband/wife in band could cause some potential issues, or do you think that age/experience/band dynamic make that a non-issue?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 25, 2014, 11:04:18 AM
It's a non-issue.  I played with Karen and Mike in the praise band at one of my other churches years ago, and then again last summer for a one-off thing.  They're both great people and super mellow.  They've been in bands together before, so it won't be a problem.

Also, as a practical thing, it makes some difference in that it will cut down on potential scheduling conflicts.  That is, if there's a time when either one of them might not be available, there's a slightly higher chance that the other also won't be available because they'll be at the same wedding, party, etc.  The total number of potential outside conflicts is reduced by having the two of them aligned.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 25, 2014, 11:21:07 AM
Well that's that sorted then, glad to hear.
I can't imagine how it would be to play in a band that has no friendship or no sort of connection prior to playing together. I've done gigs, either as a fill in, or as somewhat temporary, with people that I didn't know very well, but never an entire band of strangers. Takes courage to dive into something like that.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 25, 2014, 11:33:56 AM
It's weird.  We're all middle-aged professionals, each good at what we do, so I approached it initially as I would any project I'd be working on at my day job.  Everybody be cool, do your job, keep the overall goals in mind, etc.  Don't tell others how to do their jobs, but if you must, frame at as something different they might try that could be beneficial to everyone.  Over the course of even these past three months, I've gotten to know everyone a bit, and we've reached the point where we give each other shit (in a good-natured way) during rehearsals, and we mess around a bit musically.  So it's coming together.  I'm not yet at the point where I consider any of these guys friends, but I guess we're almost there.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 31, 2014, 03:10:39 PM
So Mike, Karen's husband, auditioned with us yesterday, and he's in.  There's no point in even considering anyone else.  Karen was out of town, so the audition was free from any bias or potential awkwardness which might have arisen from her presence, so that was cool, but I think it would've been pretty decisive anyway.  As I mentioned, I've played with Mike before and he's great, and he and Karen are both super mellow people, so I don't anticipate any issues with them being married and in the same band.  Also, I was mistaken in thinking that they'd been in bands together before.  Other than the praise band (which isn't really a regular band, not like a gigging band), and the one-offs we do from time to time, they've never worked together in a band, and both are looking forward to it.

Also, wow, we didn't realize how mediocre Rob was until Mike walked in, played all nine songs with us, and we even jammed on a few tunes, and it was great.  He was all over it, with a good, clean sound, lots of motion but never overplaying, pretty much everything you want in a bass player.  The band has once again "traded up".  If this is our final form, I think we're in good shape.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 01, 2014, 05:42:52 AM
Great news, Orbert. Hopefully everything continues to run smoothly for you now. :tup
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Post by: Orbert on April 01, 2014, 06:57:34 AM
Thanks.  Yeah, that's what we're hoping now.  First set is almost done, and we're looking at songs for the second set now.  We didn't even miss a beat.  Old bass player out, new bass player in, he already has all the songs down (and some even better) and we're moving forward.

Overall, I'm feeling much better about the band now.  Also, the whole "playing with strangers" thing is diminished, since there's now two others that I have history with, plus the rest of us are getting to know each other and joke around more.  Sunday's session went nearly three hours, but it flew by and was a good time.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 01, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
My dad and I have both started playing the bass. We're both complete newbs at it right now, but we're both practicing. As for why we're picking up the bass... well, one of my friends is a really talented guitarist (seriously, he's insanely good) and he's been asking me to learn how to either sing or play bass so that I can jam with him and I think my dad wanted to learn how to play too both for fun and to give me a bit of competition/family support.

Any tips from the more talented folks here? :metal
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on April 01, 2014, 09:55:02 PM
Well, I play upright bass, to classical-modern era music (in other words not jazz), and if there's one thing I've learned, is to learn where you can play the same notes in multiple places. Playing any stringed instrument requires you to make efficient decisions on where to put your fingers to make any song playable even faster than normal.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on April 03, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
I just play wierd things (which I am in the process of eventually recording).

Basically: my approach was just to play around with it and see what happened (which is perhaps not the best approach), but it does help to learn vague patterns which can be shifted around to other places to play different notes. Oh, and use a metronome.

Oh, and if you sound terrible when you first start, that's normal.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 03, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
My dad got us a huge Bass Tabs book with all sorts of songs in various difficulties. I'm currently working on learning how to play "Day Tripper". My current goal is to have that whole song down and memorized by the end of the month, then work on another song or two over the rest of spring (I'm considering "War Pigs" or "You've Got Another Thing Comin'") and have "Hangar 18" down by the end of summer and "Roundabout" (which isn't in the tab book, but I'm sure I can find tabs for it rather easily) by either the end of the year or a year from now.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on April 03, 2014, 02:14:09 PM
Roundabout is a bitch.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 03, 2014, 02:53:13 PM
Roundabout is a bitch.

Yeah, I can tell just by listening. :lol

But it looks like it'll be a ton of fun once I learn it, and I'll feel a bit better about myself if I can get that song down by the end of the year. :tup :metal :hefdaddy Heck, my dad and I just made it a bit of a competition for each other: we both have the rest of the year to learn the song. Dunno what the reward or consequence will be. :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on April 03, 2014, 03:00:12 PM
Nice, good luck on it.

The song I've always tried learning is Fountain Of Salmacis from Genesis's Nursery Cryme album (although because I don't have pedals, I end up playing the pedals part on the low B of the bass). One day, I'll get my head around that and then I may try Roundabout again.

But yeah, that song will be fun, it'll just be difficult to not get annoyed with it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 09, 2014, 10:43:37 PM
We have a gig!

Okay, it's not a paying gig, but we will be playing live, in front of real people.  The neighborhood bash that John's neighborhood has every summer ("Countryside Oaks Summer Fiesta") is actually organized by John's wife Kay, and she put us on the docket.  It's in July, so we have three months to get our shit together, which shouldn't be a problem.  More details to follow, but I'm guessing we'll play a set or two, then eat hot dogs and drink beer.  Something like that.

This is exactly the type of thing we need at this stage.  Playing live, but low key, not for money, just for the experience.  It will help solidify the band.  I'm thinking we should have a second set's worth of tunes together by then, so it should be a good time.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 09, 2014, 10:53:35 PM
Sounds like a good test run for the band, without the pressure of a paid gig.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 14, 2014, 03:42:32 PM
Wow, more drama.  This is actually getting to be pretty amusing, a part of being involved in this band which is almost as entertaining as playing music.

I got a call last week from John (the leader) asking what I thought of our drummer Terry.  Terry's a good drummer, and a good guy overall.  Things that come to mind immediately are that he's always pushing for more rehearsals, and more frequently, because we'll never get any good otherwise, and also we should be looking at more modern stuff.  And less important, but still coming to mind, is that he's from a somewhat different culture.  He smokes, is pretty free with the profanity in casual conversation, and just seems a bit more "blue collar" than the rest of us.  As I said, that's pretty far down the list in terms of importance, though.  To me, anyway.

Interestingly, John had the same concerns.  All three.  The pushing for more rehearsals and more frequently, newer songs, and the fact that he's the slightly odd man out in the group.  John is very much about making sure everyone in the band is a "good fit" on all levels.  And it's his band, so what the hell, I'll go along.  Terry is a blue collar man.  Works construction, overhauls cars and trucks on the side as a hobby and secondary source of income.  Comes to practice clean but stinking of cigar smoke.  I don't give a shit about any of that.  In fact, I thought it was kinda fun and made it more interesting that we have such different personalities, but can all play, and play well together.  But we don't all have tons of free time as Terry does, and the band was started with "classic rock" as one of its tenets.  There may be some good, newer stuff out there, but none of the rest of us know any of it, and really, we're more into this just to play some old songs that we like.

I got an email from John today asking what people's availability is this Saturday to audition a new drummer.  Whoa, I guess we're moving right along.  Sunday is Easter, and most of us won't be available, but John wants to try this new guy out.  Emails go around, and there's a two-hour window when we're all available, so John laid out six songs, and maybe we'll have time afterwards to jam a bit and get a feel for each other.

Like a revolving door.  Hell, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out at some point that I'm out.  But until then, ride the lightning.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 14, 2014, 09:21:50 PM
Like a revolving door.  Hell, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out at some point that I'm out.  But until then, ride the lightning.

I was just thinking that. :lol
Maybe they're having the conversation right now.

"So hey, what do you think of this Bob guy? He plays well enough, but he's too quiet, and keeps voting members out of the band." :neverusethis:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 15, 2014, 08:23:48 AM
I know, right?  John has mentioned in passing a few times when he's bounced ideas off of his wife Kay, so he's not doing this in a vacuum.  I bounce things off of my wife as well, including this latest development.  She pointed out that if Terry's not a perfect fit now, if he's frustrated by wanting to practice more and play newer songs, then he's eventually going to leave the band anyway.  If he's that good (which he is), then he'll find a band that plays more music that he likes, and has a work ethic more in line with his own.  A better fit.

As for me, I think I'm safe.  John sent me a Friend request on Facebook last night.  Steve and Karen are also friends, so that just leaves Mike.  But Mike doesn't get on Facebook very much, so he probably just hasn't accepted the request yet.  I took this latest move as a "confirmation" of sorts.  I may be wrong, but it seems weird to Friend someone you're thinking you might axe later on down the road.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 15, 2014, 08:34:15 AM
If it's taken this long for him to add you, then I'd probably take it as confirmation, unlike had he done it as soon as you joined/formed the band.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 15, 2014, 09:30:43 AM
Exactly.  I kinda did that, at least I started searching on Facebook just to see what the others had out there, and couldn't find John.  His last name is also pretty common, so there were dozens, but of the ones with pictures I could see, none were him.  Probably had it set to private.

I took this latest move as him consolidating things a bit.  I find this whole process interesting.  Forming a band, corporate style.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 16, 2014, 02:17:56 AM
Wow you should make a TV series about this :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: puppyonacid on April 16, 2014, 03:45:23 AM
Over The Edge are down to produce

"The Orbert Carries On"

Ya heard it here first folks

Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts
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Post by: Onno on April 16, 2014, 03:57:50 AM
 :lol
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Post by: Orbert on April 16, 2014, 07:14:32 AM
Oh you guys (and girl).  :P
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on April 16, 2014, 09:50:24 AM
Orbert's Den
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 16, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
I might be forming a band with two buddies of mine. They both know I'm a newb on bass, but they've offered to help me improve and gel with them. Should be interesting. :)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 16, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
Good luck!  :tup


Also, your avatar cracks me up.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 16, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Good luck!  :tup


Also, your avatar cracks me up.

Thanks! I'm pretty excited. We might actually form two bands together; both of them play guitar and drums. Stephen writes metal and JT writes rock, so the idea is that:

Metal Band
Me - Bass, Vocals
Stephen - Guitar
JT - Either drums or guitar if we can find another drummer

Rock Band
Me - Bass
Stephen - Drums
JT - Vocals, Guitar

And yeah, I love this avatar! :lol A friend of mine briefly used it on his Facebook page, but I loved it so much that I saved it and decided to use it here. Goes well with the Flash Gordon theme~ :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on April 20, 2014, 12:51:03 PM
Originally I am a drummer but now I play more guitar than drums. I also play bass and know the absolute basics of keyboard/piano. I write music constantly and am very proud of the recent stuff I have made. I write mostly progressive music under the name of Black Ink and I make all sorts of prog stuff like 20+ minute songs and complicated concept albums.

I will start recording with a friend soon.

Hey, that´s awesome. I´m a guitar player and now making my way into the drums. I´m loving the experience. I´m facinated by guys like Portnoy (DT) and Matt Garstka (Animals as Leaders).
The metal-jazz fusion is something that has been capturing my attention.
As a guitar-drums player yourself, would you recommend any albums that would help me improve my drumming technique?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 20, 2014, 02:02:56 PM
Not sure why I never posted it before - some people already know it, but most of you don't - my one attempt writing and recording electronic music, "4°". Made in cooperation with a friend of mine - we both recorded sounds and came up with the concept, but I did most of the editing/mixing/whatever that you do on the computer.

https://www5.zippyshare.com/v/46296769/file.html
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on April 20, 2014, 02:50:19 PM
Here's my most recent piece  ;D

https://soundcloud.com/alittledangerous/zephyros-suite-for-orchestra
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 20, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
I'm pretty excited. We might actually form two bands together; both of them play guitar and drums. Stephen writes metal and JT writes rock, so the idea is that:

Metal Band
Me - Bass, Vocals
Stephen - Guitar
JT - Either drums or guitar if we can find another drummer

Rock Band
Me - Bass
Stephen - Drums
JT - Vocals, Guitar

Ha ha, our new drummer is named JT, too!

We played for a couple hours yesterday, he literally hadn't played in four years, and he already smoked our other drummer.  He was late to the audition because he had to stop by the storage unit to pick up his drums, where they'd been for the last 3 1/2 years.  His old band broke up, he kept his drums around for a while, then finally stashed them.  He and his wife swapped cars and keys for the day because he needed the truck to move the drums, but he forgot that his copy of the strorage unit key was on his keys.

Anyway, he showed up late, explained why -- during which time it came up that he hadn't played in four years, but he'd "listened to the songs a few times this week" -- and I'm thinking "Shit, what have we gotten ourselves into?"  But he set up pretty quickly, didn't warm up much at all, and said he was ready to go.  He was amazing.  We have a new drummer.

So at this point, the only original members are John and Karen.  I came in later, and actually am next in "seniority", although I'll admit that that doesn't actually mean much in a band.  At this point, it's pulling your weight, practicing, showing up to rehearsals on time and prepared, basically doing your job.  I just think it's amusing.  This whole process has been amusing.

Emails went out last night; John was specifically asking for a Yay or Nay vote on whether we replace Terry with JT.  I voted Yay.  I would not have sought to replace someone pre-emptively like this, but since John had set it all up and asked, and I don't have to do the actual firing, well yeah, JT does seem a better fit, and is a better drummer anyway.  Round and round she goes...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 27, 2014, 01:34:57 PM
We played for a couple hours yesterday, he literally hadn't played in four years, and he already smoked our other drummer.  He was late to the audition because he had to stop by the storage unit to pick up his drums, where they'd been for the last 3 1/2 years.  His old band broke up, he kept his drums around for a while, then finally stashed them.  He and his wife swapped cars and keys for the day because he needed the truck to move the drums, but he forgot that his copy of the strorage unit key was on his keys.

Anyway, he showed up late, explained why -- during which time it came up that he hadn't played in four years, but he'd "listened to the songs a few times this week" -- and I'm thinking "Shit, what have we gotten ourselves into?"  But he set up pretty quickly, didn't warm up much at all, and said he was ready to go.  He was amazing.  We have a new drummer.

So at this point, the only original members are John and Karen.  I came in later, and actually am next in "seniority", although I'll admit that that doesn't actually mean much in a band.  At this point, it's pulling your weight, practicing, showing up to rehearsals on time and prepared, basically doing your job.  I just think it's amusing.  This whole process has been amusing.

Emails went out last night; John was specifically asking for a Yay or Nay vote on whether we replace Terry with JT.  I voted Yay.  I would not have sought to replace someone pre-emptively like this, but since John had set it all up and asked, and I don't have to do the actual firing, well yeah, JT does seem a better fit, and is a better drummer anyway.  Round and round she goes...

You realize your position in the band makes you LaBrie, right? So like... when is your anniversary?

This story is what keeps me coming back to this subforum :)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 14, 2014, 12:05:41 PM
The Continuing Saga of Orbert's Band...

So JT is our new drummer, and he's working out really well.  At the first practice with him as an official member, he brought his Roland V-Drums, and this made a huge difference.  For those who aren't familiar, these are electronic drums, good ones.  Unless you have walls, any band rehearsal basically has to be at least as loud as the drummer, but most of the time you don't want to practice at full volume in the basement.  V-Drums, like all electronic drums, have a volume control.  Problem solved.  We can now actually hear each other, say things to each other, verbally cue each other, while we're playing.  This is huge.

During that same rehearsal, we put some polish on "Set 1".  11 songs, since we dropped one due to not having someone who can sing it ("High On You" by Survivor).  It's not really Set 1 in that these aren't the eleven songs we'll always play first set or anything, but we'd originally put together a list of 12, and as we approached it, it was something like a goal, a milestone.  Once we have a complete set, we actually have something, and it kinda stuck.  We played through them all, and they're pretty tight.  Most are performance quality.  Actually all of them are, depending on how drunk the audience is.  In other words, the ones not quite perfect, we can fake well enough.

So last night we worked up three more songs, the supposed start of Set 2, and it occurs to me now that it's becoming sillier and sillier to use that terminology, but whatever.  It's easier than calling them Songs 12 through 15.  Obviously once it comes time to play a gig, we'll decide on actual set lists.

I am now officially keyboards, woodwinds, and background vocals.  Whoa.  Keys of course, sax on a couple of songs, and we talked about the occassional flute (some Jethro Tull, also maybe "Land Down Under" by Men at Work).  Last night, one of the songs on the list was "R.O.C.K. in the U.S.A." by John Mellencamp, and it has a short recorder solo in it.  Since I'm the woodwind guy, I worked up the solo and brought one of my recorders.  Hey, we start by covering the song as close to verbatim as possible; we introduce possible deviations later.  So John set up a mike for me and I took the solo.  Later, while working on "Show Me the Way" by Peter Frampton, I was helping the others by singing the different parts, and finally they said I should just sing the lower part.  Suddenly John is talking about other songs where it would help if I sang, too.  So add background vocals to the list.

Good rehearsal.  We settled on Monday nights, but it was Tuesday this week because Mike was out of town Monday.  I'm not thrilled about rehearsing on a weeknight since I live half an hour away and have to haul, set up, break down, and haul again all my gear every time, plus leave it in the car all day at work (John's house is on my way home from work), but it's the day that worked best for all.  We must all sacrifice for our art.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on May 14, 2014, 01:12:15 PM
Orbert,

How is market vibe there in your town? I mean, your band is playing covers, right? The places you got there to play a gig, like pubs and bars, are more receptive to covers? No plans for songs of your own?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 14, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
If you play in a cover band in bars, you play covers.  If you're really good you might get away with playing a cover or two per night, but it has to sound just like everything else you're playing.  The audience has to think that it's just something they've never heard before.  If you ever say "This next one is an original..." then they're already halfway to the bathrooms, so you don't say that.  If you're really ballsy (and really good) you might say "Thank you, that was an original" at the end.  But really, what's the point?  They don't care that you play your own music.  They probably don't want you to play your own music.  They're there to drink, dance, hit up chicks, and listen to songs they know being played reasonably well.

I would have no idea how a band would gig playing originals.  Jazz, sure.  There are clubs and coffee houses all over the northern burbs.  But not the bars, not rock and roll.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on May 14, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
Yes, I think that is the main picture everywhere.
In my case, as I get older, as a musician, I feel I have no more patience for covers. I play the guitar and the drums, and I can't stand replicating other people's material anymore. It gets boring with time! And the price is: you won't have where to play a gig. That's why I started an instrumental band. No voice. And no covers. As long as it is just instrumental, nobody cares if it is original or not. As you said, people are there to drink and chat. All you have to do is giving them a nice musical background so they can free themselves and run away from whatever they are running away from.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 14, 2014, 05:07:56 PM
That sounds pretty cool.  The genre still matters, though, at least around here.  As I said, there are places for jazz combos and soloists to play, although again it obviously helps if you're really good.  Instrumental rock, I don't even know.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on May 24, 2014, 09:26:05 PM
So here's a general post for the things I've composed that I consider actual compositions, from most recent to oldest:

https://soundcloud.com/alittledangerous/end-of-the-tunnel
https://soundcloud.com/alittledangerous/zephyros-suite-for-orchestra
https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/181182

In total I've actually made like 6 or 7 things that I actually consider complete, but I also consider them too immature to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sketchy on May 31, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
I have decided to start getting music lessons again (I had some in keyboard when I was at school) as I have decided that I wish to be a better musician than I am currently, and also because the newest thing I bought has a very unusual finger-picking technique (you flick the strings with fake nails rather than plucking.

But yes, I've got yet another chinese instrument, this time it is a pipa.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on June 04, 2014, 12:58:02 PM
The crappy thing about bands is dealing with people. It´s worse than a marriage because you have to deal with more than one! People being late, people wanting to be in a band but not wanting to play, people being reckless, people being ill all the time… You know that perfect fucked up guy? The guy that has no money and every shitty thing in the world happens to him? And what about the ones that think they can play and just waste your precious time? And the ones that look perfect but soon you find out the creature has no car?! This musical world… goddamn it… the most fucked up people are there!

Sorry for this unleashing moment…
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: robwebster on June 07, 2014, 07:10:46 AM
I sort of know what you mean - but it's a give and take. I do prefer to do things alone, as much as possible, because, as you say, you're not relying on other people. What I lose, though, is support and flexibility. If you're writing music as a band, you have instant feedback on your melodies and riffs, when something's not working you'll hear about it, and more crucially, other people will be producing ideas when you hit the wall. On your own, you can very easily lose faith in your song, and lose momentum when none of your ideas seem to fit and nobody else is generating them. You get more inertia with a band, yes, but you can also build more momentum.

The other useful thing with a band, is a range of talents. I'm good at bass and keyboard, and I can put together a passable drum track, but my singing's shaky and I can't play guitar for toffee - so I end up writing songs with very few riffs. Alone, you're defined by your limitations, whereas a band is usually better defined by its members' various strengths.

Not that limitations are always a bad thing. Necessity is the mother of invention.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2014, 08:48:50 AM
You can tell I don't visit this subforum very often (despite being a musician) since I didn't even know this thread existed.

Should it be stickied, like the other chat threads?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 07, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
Not a bad idea.  I follow it anyway, but it might help generate more traffic.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on June 07, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
I sort of know what you mean - but it's a give and take. I do prefer to do things alone, as much as possible, because, as you say, you're not relying on other people. What I lose, though, is support and flexibility. If you're writing music as a band, you have instant feedback on your melodies and riffs, when something's not working you'll hear about it, and more crucially, other people will be producing ideas when you hit the wall. On your own, you can very easily lose faith in your song, and lose momentum when none of your ideas seem to fit and nobody else is generating them. You get more inertia with a band, yes, but you can also build more momentum.

The other useful thing with a band, is a range of talents. I'm good at bass and keyboard, and I can put together a passable drum track, but my singing's shaky and I can't play guitar for toffee - so I end up writing songs with very few riffs. Alone, you're defined by your limitations, whereas a band is usually better defined by its members' various strengths.

Not that limitations are always a bad thing. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Yes, definitely a give and take. I function better on my own. But, unfortunately, I have to deal with the band members. They slow me down, they get on my nerves... But, as you said, I need them.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2014, 02:08:47 PM
Not a bad idea.  I follow it anyway, but it might help generate more traffic.
Good enough for me.  :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 12, 2014, 03:07:53 PM
The crappy thing about bands is dealing with people. It´s worse than a marriage because you have to deal with more than one! People being late, people wanting to be in a band but not wanting to play, people being reckless, people being ill all the time… You know that perfect fucked up guy? The guy that has no money and every shitty thing in the world happens to him? And what about the ones that think they can play and just waste your precious time? And the ones that look perfect but soon you find out the creature has no car?! This musical world… goddamn it… the most fucked up people are there!

The "band = marriage" analogy is as old as bands and marriage, but there's a reason for that.  There are a lot of similarities.

To me, the biggest "plus" to being in a band, as opposed to just playing music by yourself, is the rush that comes from collaboration.  Making music with other people can be really awesome.  The connection, the feeling that what you're doing is contributing to something bigger, and it's happening in real time.  That's what makes it all worth it.  Putting up with other people's issues so you can jam is liking putting up with your girlfriend's (or wife's) issues because of the sex.  Hopefully it's worth it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on June 12, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
In other words, music is sex.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 12, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Basically, yeah.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2014, 09:13:30 AM
You can tell I don't visit this subforum very often (despite being a musician) since I didn't even know this thread existed.

Should it be stickied, like the other chat threads?

That was the idea when I created this thread almost two years ago. Thanks for giving it a sticky. I was surprised to see it up there today :)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 17, 2014, 09:15:39 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on June 17, 2014, 09:19:20 AM
So, I'm attempting to write a symphony using themes I've used in all of my other "pieces" Currently I've finished like 3 minutes of it and I've sort of written how I want it to play out.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 18, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
Update on Orbert's Band

We have a name.  After much discussion, whittling it down six finalists, and voting, the band is Oh Zone.  (I didn't vote for that one, but whatever.)

Also, we have two gigs lined up for next month.  Both are gratis, but that's okay.  We need the experience and exposure more than we need the cash, and this has never been about money anyway.  Mostly it's the chance to play live.  One is a charity gig featuring four local bands (of which we are one), and the other is the neighborhood block party in the neighborhood of the house we practice in.  His wife is on the planning committee, and we got on the list.  Actually, this was set up months ago and would have been our first gig, but the charity thing came up and happened to be two weeks earlier, so what the hell.

For each of these gigs, we'll need about 90 minutes of music.  Two sets.  As of this week's practice, we'll have two sets of music, then three weeks to practice our brains out.  Actually, it won't be that bad.  We've all played in so many bands before, we know how it works, and we've gotten to the point where every one of us is damned good.  We work up our own parts, then spend rehearsal time putting things together, maybe working out vocal harmonies and/or who plays which guitar part, and each song is nailed down in about half an hour, maybe 45 minutes.  As it should be.  These upcoming gigs will help solidify things, then we start working up a third set, at which point we'll be ready to do real gigs.  We don't have any yet, of course, but we'll be ready.

Weird Side Story/Update on Rick

Remember Rick, the original guitarist who turned out to be a head case, was a dick to our original singer and made him quit, and eventually got fired because he was a head case and a dick?  Okay maybe you don't.  Anyway, I got an email from him, started off with some "Hi, remember me?" stuff and went on to talk about the new band he's in, and they need a keyboard player, and he wondered if I was interested.  Right now, I'm in at least two bands plus have some other musical commitments, so no.  I gave him a quick update on Oh Zone and how we lost Rob because his cancer came back, and Terry got canned somewhat preemptively but it was pretty clear that he wasn't happy.

Rick's response was to totally blast John for how he runs the band, and that he thought maybe I'd had enough of it by now, which is why he asked me to join his new band.  I thought that that wasn't a completely unreasonable reply, but then he went on to talk about how John had conspired to get rid of him (Rick) and probably told us all that he'd fired him, but the truth is that he quit.  Also, Rob probably lied about his cancer coming back and just wanted out, and probably quit too, same with Terry, and John again just made it sound like he'd fired him.  Whoa.  Some of this might actually have been true -- I mean, all we have is John's side of the story when relating how the calls went to Rick and Terry -- but we were all in on the decisions, and Rob had actually contacted me on the side, apologized for leave us hanging like that, and I even told him we could jam some time when he's feeling up to it.  Basically, Rick is out of his fucking mind.  Delusional.

So at the next practice, I started telling John about this weird email I got from Rick.  John says "Oh yeah?  I got one, too.  Did he ask to come to your house?"

What?  Um, no.  "Did he say he had a present for you or something like that?"  No...

John told me about it, but it was so bizarre that he just ended up forwarding me the email from Rick.  Rick had been doing a lot of thinking, and wanted to clear the air between him and John.  He wanted to come over, maybe have a drink, and just talk.  He also had a business proposal for him.  He also needed John's wife's advice on a business matter (John's wife Kay is a real estate agent).  It would take maybe 90 minutes; two hours, tops.  In exchange for their time and consideration, he'd already picked up a nice gift that he wanted to give to them.

Seriously, what?  Steve (new guitarist, Rick's replacement) read that and said "John, under no circumstances do you let this guy anywhere near your house!"  Joking but dead serious.  Of course, Rick knows where the house is, but whatever.  John had already answered the email, saying they could talk on the phone, but he was really too busy to devote a few hours to chatting, wasn't really looking for any new business opportunities, and Kay wasn't either.  This was a few weeks ago.  Rick hasn't contacted myself or John since.

I am very glad that I'm not in a band with this nutcase.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on June 18, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
This Rick is a character of a slasher movie. Keep the distance, my friend!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2014, 10:36:40 PM
This Rick is a character of a slasher movie. Keep the distance, my friend!

:lol Maybe not a slasher film, but it definitely sounds like Orbert signed up for a reality TV show rather than a band.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on June 18, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Yikes. That is creepy as hell.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 19, 2014, 11:28:36 AM
Yeah, my email was weird enough -- actually the reply to my reply, where Rob supposedly lied about having cancer just to have an excuse to quit the band -- but John's email took it up a notch.  Especially the part where he has a "gift" for John and Kay and wants to give it to them personally.  Steve and I theorized that Rick would have a bag with him, then at some point reach into it and say "And now, I have something for you" and pull out a gun... and blow himself away.

We probably shouldn't have joked about it, since John seemed a bit freaked out about it, but he laughed it off and seemed more annoyed and puzzled than anything else.  I guess Rick met Kay once for maybe 30 seconds as he was arriving for a rehearsal, and John just said it was weird that Rick wanted to discuss business with her and had a gift for her.  It just wasn't appropriate (that's the word he used) and showed out far out of touch Rick was.

I was trying to think of a closing quip about about how entertaining it is being in a band, especially a band made up of people who met online, and it occurred to me that they do warn you about people you meet online.  And sometimes they (whoever they are) are right.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 10, 2014, 12:06:06 PM
Alrighty, then!  Tonight's the final rehearsal before our first-ever gig, which is this Saturday at 6:00 PM.  We're the first of four bands, with the second band starting at 7:30 and things continue at 90-minute intervals, so we each get 75 minutes to play.  The house is providing the P.A. and sound man, we bring our stage gear.  They mike it up, run a quick, cursory sound check (basically make sure all the mikes are working, and they'll fix up the levels once things get started) and off we go.  Actually, since we're first, we're hoping this means that we'll have a chance to do just a bit more than a cursory check, but we don't know how it's gonna work.  But what the hell, it's for charity and we're not getting paid anyway.  We can't exactly complain about the gig.

Then, Sunday morning, my church band is doing all the music for the service.  Hymns, offertory, prelude and postlude, everything.  We usually do one gig during the summer and kinda take over everything, and give the organist the day off.  It would not have been my choice to do these two gigs barely 12 hours apart, but that's the biz.  The date was carved into sacred rock before the charity gig came up.  These past two weeks have been full of rehearsals and music and rehearsals and rehearsals.

Rock and Roll!  ♫♫
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 10, 2014, 12:23:55 PM
Being first and running the first sound is always good. My buddy's (now defunct) band played this big battle of a bands thing at a chili cookoff a few years ago... they were up first and wound up performing an extra song for the sound check. They would have won but some generic stupid screamo band took it.


The song they played for soundcheck was like their strongest they had too.  Oh Well.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 10, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Yeah, that was really a big factor in us deciding whether or not to take the gig.  We were pushing it to have everything together by the end of July, but figured we could do that, plus it's just a neighborhood party.  Then this charity thing came up and it's two weeks earlier.  They said we'd be first, and we hoped that that meant that we'd at least have a little more time to check sound and stuff, so we took it.

Then our drummer was out of town on business for a week, then our bassist was out on business for four days, and our singer was in the hospital for a while...  let's just say that we haven't gotten as much rehearsal time in as we'd thought.  But the show must go on.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on July 10, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
Y'all are gonna rock, man.

Speaking of first shows, my band is finally playing a show after a few months of just kind of practicing every now and then. I'm pretty stoked to finally play out.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 11, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
Y'all are gonna rock, man!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on July 14, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
Y'all are gonna rock, man!

Well, we did rock. How about you, Orbert?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 14, 2014, 11:40:59 PM
It kinda sucked, for reasons mostly out of our control.  It should've been great.  The place is big, a sports bar with outside deck, indoor gaming room, and a private room as well.  Thunderstorms threatened all day, but didn't actually come through until late that night, after everyone had finished playing.  But because of the threat, the owner had gotten a huge tent to cover the entire deck.  Why not just move things indoors?  Because he'd booked the big room indoors.  Jim, the guy who organized everything, has been doing show for seven years and the guy had never done that before.  They've had to move it inside once or twice in the past, and now didn't have that option.  But it was a charity gig and we couldn't really complain.

So okay, the outside deck has two stage areas, elevated areas at each end (the big room inside also has two stages, that's how big this place is) so we could still do the thing where one band sets up while the previous band is still playing at the other end.  There were four bands altogether, so going back and forth would be a big help.  Nope, the owner decided that one end was all we needed, and he'd rather use the stage at the other end for more customers.  Because the stages are elevated and terraced, exactly one table fit there, seating four people.  All this extra bullshit for the bands to deal with, just so four more customers could be seated.

So anyway, it was 85 degrees out, hadn't rained yet so it was really humid, plus with the huge tent covering everything, there was no breeze.  So we were all sweating buckets.  The deck itself is surrounded in brick, so the sound of the drums was deafening, and we had to bring up the stage volume just to hear ourselves.  Singers couldn't hear themselves in the monitors, drummer couldn't hear anything except drums, it was a mess.

But we've heard some of the audio, and out in the audience, it didn't sound too bad.  From on stage, it sounded like shit.  We couldn't hear anything, just kept going, and somehow managed to put on a half-decent show.  So we rocked, but didn't know it.

(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10532865_10202489765267331_1366328944612526491_n.jpg)

Steve (lead guitar) couldn't hear himself, so he knelt down to be closer to the monitor, which allowed me to actually be visible for a few moments.  I was buried in the back.  Karen on vocals, JT on drums, Mike (up top) on bass, John on rhythm guitar.  You can't really see it, but the top level had another drum kit already set up on it, owned by the band that was hosting the event, and that got to sit there all night and everyone else had to work around it.  Our drummer JT is on the middle level, and I would've been up there with him (and more visible) but they had a bunch of gear just sitting there and wouldn't move it, so again we had to work around that.  So with me, Steve, Karen, and John all on the floor, squeezed between the stacks, I ended up back in the corner.

Most people saw this most of the night:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10514446_333880100098360_7778566977291168769_o.jpg)

I'm directly behind Steve, invisible.  Yay.  Mike said he felt like he was up on a watchtower or something.  What a screwy setup, when it easily could have been really, really cool.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 14, 2014, 11:59:28 PM
So we rocked, but didn't know it.

:lol I like this. It wouldn't be rock n roll if everything went smoothly. And you've got a real gig under your belt now, even if it was just a charity gig.

What was your setlist?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 15, 2014, 10:05:02 AM
Mostly 70's classic rock.  "China Grove", "Takin' Care of Business", "Show Me the Way", "Barracuda", "Rocky Mountain Way", "Sweet Home Alabama", that kind of thing.  The idea is to play to our strengths, what makes us unique, and in our case we have a female lead singer and also keyboards/saxophone, so our setlist leans in that direction.  "Long Train Runnin'" and "What I Like About You" both have harmonica solos that sound good on sax, "Play that Funky Music" has a single horn line in it, but it's a good song and is another excuse to get some sax in there.

We do a handful of "newer" songs (80's), "I Love Rock and Roll" (female singer), "What You Need" by INXS (saxophone), "Two Tickets to Paradise" (keys), and a few others.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on July 15, 2014, 11:34:20 AM
Congrats, man! I know how it feels like to play without enjoying the moment. It sucks. But you rocked. Life sucks anyway. Just keep going!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
So we rocked, but didn't know it.

:lol I like this. It wouldn't be rock n roll if everything went smoothly.

I forgot to mention William, the sound man, who was amazing.  He's friends with Jim, who organized everything, and also Mike and Karen from my band, as Mike used to play in a band with Jim, and I met William last summer at a thing at Mike's house where Mike and Jim's band played, and William ran sound for the whole thing (got all that?) which was also a multi-band event.

Anyway, we couldn't hear shit from on stage and just had to trust that the sound man was gonna somehow make it all sound good, or at least as good as possible, and he did just that.  I've heard audio from four songs now, and the mix is great.  We're all war-scarred veteran rockers and know the drill.  Doesn't matter, you just keep playing, and trust your sound man, 'cause there's nothing else you can do.  We were very fortunate to have him at the sound board.

William, you are the man. :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on July 15, 2014, 01:14:55 PM
Which reminds me, last Saturday I played the final concert with the American Festival for the Arts, where we played three amazing pieces:

Prelude to Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg, Wagner
Piano Concerto No. 4 Mvt. 3, Beethoven
Polovetsian Dances 8/17, Borodin

It was an awesome concert.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Onno on July 16, 2014, 02:58:04 AM
That's awesome Lucien! And congrats on having done your first gig Orbert  :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 16, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
Our church band (we provide music every Sunday) is preparing for a concert at the end of August.  Looking forward to that, we will be able to "stretch" a little as musicians and play some stuff we wouldn't ordinarily get to play on Sunday mornings.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 16, 2014, 10:47:01 AM
Which reminds me, last Saturday I played the final concert with the American Festival for the Arts, where we played three amazing pieces:

Prelude to Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg, Wagner
Piano Concerto No. 4 Mvt. 3, Beethoven
Polovetsian Dances 8/17, Borodin

It was an awesome concert.

Sounds awesome!  But why is it the final concert?


Our church band (we provide music every Sunday) is preparing for a concert at the end of August.  Looking forward to that, we will be able to "stretch" a little as musicians and play some stuff we wouldn't ordinarily get to play on Sunday mornings.

Cool!  One of our guitarists wanted to do something like that, but for some reason we never really went anywhere with the idea.  Maybe we should revisit it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2014, 03:18:49 PM
Well, there were other concerts that we did of slightly more obscure material. This was awesome, well-known stuff, on an awesome stage.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 20, 2014, 05:10:21 AM
Our church band (we provide music every Sunday) is preparing for a concert at the end of August.  Looking forward to that, we will be able to "stretch" a little as musicians and play some stuff we wouldn't ordinarily get to play on Sunday mornings.

Cool!  One of our guitarists wanted to do something like that, but for some reason we never really went anywhere with the idea.  Maybe we should revisit it.
One song I have suggested to our director is Marvin Gaye's "Wholy Holy."  It's very much a soul/jazz/mellow gospel feel, from the What's Going On? album.  I doubt she will go for it, but I think it would be loads of fun.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 20, 2014, 08:15:46 AM
Why wouldn't she go for it?  The genre, or the message?  We've gotten away with everything from "secular yet spiritual" (My Sweet Lord, Put Your Hand in the Hand, Spirit in the Sky) to things with "a positive message" (Let It Be, Saturday in the Park).  Of course, we're Protestants, so maybe we get more leeway.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 01, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
Why wouldn't she go for it?  The genre, or the message?  We've gotten away with everything from "secular yet spiritual" (My Sweet Lord, Put Your Hand in the Hand, Spirit in the Sky) to things with "a positive message" (Let It Be, Saturday in the Park).  Of course, we're Protestants, so maybe we get more leeway.
If she doesn't go for it (no ruling yet), it would be for musical reasons, not the message.

She is (and there is really no other way to say this) very, very white.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 03, 2014, 03:56:51 PM
That's a bummer.  I understand some people feel very strongly that only "traditional" music should be played in church, but numbers are down overall and that's a fact, and one way to help draw in new people is make the service more interesting and/or fun, or at least less boring, and playing music at least from the 20th century if not the 21st can help a lot.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on August 03, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
Imagine churches without music... I think the main thing keeping christianity alive is music.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 03, 2014, 11:12:56 PM
That's always been true, though.  Songs of praise have always been an integral part of worship.  I agree that today, though, it's probably more important than ever.  The problem comes when the people in charge have trouble distinguishing between service and entertainment.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 04, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
That's a bummer.  I understand some people feel very strongly that only "traditional" music should be played in church, but numbers are down overall and that's a fact, and one way to help draw in new people is make the service more interesting and/or fun, or at least less boring, and playing music at least from the 20th century if not the 21st can help a lot.
Oh, we do plenty of non-boring, more contemporary praise music.  My wife and I have even written a few that we have done in the past; I may post some one of these days.

But we are basically white, and not nearly black enough for my tastes.  Especially the director.  She's pretty uptight, and "paper-trained", if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 04, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
Ahhh, now I get it.  Marvin Gaye is... not white.  The literal interpretation of your words actually blew right past me.  I guess that's a good thing; it just confused me for a minute.

Still, that's too bad.  We would be able to play that song no problem, and our congregation is all white except for one person: me.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 06:37:17 AM
We are definitely all white.  We definitely need more non-white.

This Sunday she has us working on (just as pre-service music, which is when we generally do something not as serious) Amazing Grace to the tune of the Eagles' Seven Bridges Road.  I was skeptical until rehearsal last night, but it came out pretty good.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on August 08, 2014, 03:54:27 PM
I read these days some news about christian rock bands. Seems like many musicians in these bands are atheists and play only for the money or the spotlight.
It became a business of its own, totally separated from the church and its message (if there's any).
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2014, 04:10:31 PM
That seems odd to me. I got the impression that most Christian bands didn't make that much at all.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2014, 08:13:17 PM
They don't, for the most part.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2014, 11:56:13 PM
Doesn't seem like a very lucrative niche to me. :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on August 09, 2014, 04:37:31 AM
It probably won't make you rich, but surely you can make a living.
If you have a dream of becoming a "rock star", get on stage, make a crowd sing along, the easiest way is attending a church, show the "praise dept" you can play or sing, start playing on sundays... Man you get what most underground bands don't get: a crowd and a stage! Every week!
Nobody has to know you are an atheist. And you are there, fulfilling your dream, being a "rock star". And if your band is good enough, maybe you can reach other churches stages with the support of the president of your church. Who knows, in the future, making a record with the money of your dear church members...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 09, 2014, 06:17:16 AM
It probably won't make you rich, but surely you can make a living.
If you have a dream of becoming a "rock star", get on stage, make a crowd sing along, the easiest way is attending a church, show the "praise dept" you can play or sing, start playing on sundays... Man you get what most underground bands don't get: a crowd and a stage! Every week!
Nobody has to know you are an atheist. And you are there, fulfilling your dream, being a "rock star". And if your band is good enough, maybe you can reach other churches stages with the support of the president of your church. Who knows, in the future, making a record with the money of your dear church members...
That sounds awful.

If word of something like this ever got out, that person would rue the day.  It would be a short-lived career.  Christians would drop them in a heartbeat.

Why in the world would you fake it?  Especially in a genre as difficult to stand out in as Christian music?  That's just a total lack of class, and the mark of a true asshat.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on August 09, 2014, 06:31:19 AM
It probably won't make you rich, but surely you can make a living.
If you have a dream of becoming a "rock star", get on stage, make a crowd sing along, the easiest way is attending a church, show the "praise dept" you can play or sing, start playing on sundays... Man you get what most underground bands don't get: a crowd and a stage! Every week!
Nobody has to know you are an atheist. And you are there, fulfilling your dream, being a "rock star". And if your band is good enough, maybe you can reach other churches stages with the support of the president of your church. Who knows, in the future, making a record with the money of your dear church members...
That sounds awful.

If word of something like this ever got out, that person would rue the day.  It would be a short-lived career.  Christians would drop them in a heartbeat.

Why in the world would you fake it?  Especially in a genre as difficult to stand out in as Christian music?  That's just a total lack of class, and the mark of a true asshat.

Agreed. I have a friend that tried it. I guess he is still trying...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on August 16, 2014, 10:41:13 AM
Show #2 for Night Tribe tonight. Super excited to play live again. We're doing pretty much the same set, but with an extended jam/intro for one of the songs that we worked on a bit yesterday. we only have 20-25 minutes, so it's not a whole lot to work with, but I think we have a really solid 20+ minutes right now, so that works really well for us.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 28, 2014, 06:32:34 PM
Update on Orbert's Band

It's been a while, but not a lot has been happening.  We played another gig, another freebie.  When originally scheduled, it was to be our first gig.  The neighborhood party in the neighborhood where John (band leader) lives.  His wife is on the planning committee and we got booked for the entertainment.  At the time (April or May I believe) we were just starting to put our second set together, but figured we could have two sets down by the end of July.  Then that other gig came up, the charity gig where we rocked but didn't realize it, and it was two weeks earlier, so it was our first gig.  This party was just that, a party.  Free food and drink, in which we tried not to indulge too heavily, and we were also much looser, having played our first gig already.  So we were even better this time.

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So now we're into the business of getting our third set together, which around here is a "full night".  You can play out with only three sets because (1) a lot of places only need two or three hours of live music a night, and (2) you can repeat songs from the first set if necessary because no one stays that long, and if they do, they're too drunk to care.

And the problems have started to arise again.

Our singer, Karen, is not a prima donna.  She's actually really cool.  She's just a flake, and really busy.  Because we all work day jobs and the band is just a thing, we mostly communicate via email.  Emails go around with songs and people offer feedback, and we vote, and we have the next three songs we're going to work on, and at some point we notice that Karen hasn't said anything, then she finally speaks up and doesn't like one of the songs and one of the other ones is okay, but there's this other song which is probably better for her voice.  And she's right, but it would have been nice if she'd said something a week earlier.

Her excuse is that she's so busy, so can't check her email every day or every night like a lot of people, but every couple of days (more like once a week or two weeks, but whatever).  And then there are "thousands" of emails piled up, so she has to kinda skim through them.  This means that she's often late to the conversation, gives her input on things that we'd thought we decided weeks earlier, and in general causes chaos.  She's said from the beginning that without a lot of free time, what she'd really like to do with this band is "just show up and sing".  And hey, once we get the third set nailed down, we can coast a little bit.  All any of us have to do is just show up and do the songs.  All this more timely communication won't be so critical, as long as everyone knows when the gigs and practices are.  And we'll need to add and drop songs from time to time, but that's down the road, too.  But we're not there yet.  Right now, we need everyone to participate.  It's really not that hard.  Just keep your head in the game for another month or so, and we can get this figured out.

And there's now an added complication.  Our bassist, Mike, is Karen's husband.   He's a great guy, an excellent bassist, all that, but if Karen goes, he goes too.  He has another band, but joined this one because we needed a bassist and he had never actually played in a band with Karen before.  He knows she's a flake.  Not difficult to get along with in the classic sense, difficult to get along with because she's not all there.  But when she does get around to giving her input, she's right.  The standing rule is that if you don't provide your input, you can't complain about the output.  Ever try telling a female that?  I'm sorry if that's sexist, but it's generally true.  And even if it weren't, there's still the problem that she's our lead singer, a damned good one, and if we try to "lay down the law" she could just decide that it's not worth it, and we lose a great singer and a great bassist.  We don't want her gone; we want her to get her shit together.  But we shouldn't have to schmooze one of our own band members.

John related to us the parable of The Scorpion and The Frog.  If you don't know it, look it up.  I knew it already.  The basic message is: people don't change, they do what they do.  She's not going to change, and we can't expect her to.  If it's a problem, we either learn to deal with it, or do what's necessary, which is to can her, and we lose Mike, too.  And hell, I'm mostly in it because of Mike and Karen, so that gives me something to think about, too.  Right now, we're pretty good.  We're getting better.  We will probably be able to find another singer and bassist, but that will take time, and it will take time getting them up to speed, and dammit, I hate doing things over and over again.  We've been through this shit so many times already.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 28, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
If she's married to another member of the band, why is she behind on this stuff? Get Mike to keep her informed on band emails, so when you vote on something, he can just get her input and put it in his email, or let her know what's going on. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on August 28, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
If she's married to another member of the band, why is she behind on this stuff?

Yeah, that confused me quite a bit as well.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 28, 2014, 11:31:58 PM
Mike is as frustrated by this as the rest of us, but because he is her husband, he knows that there's nothing he can do.  He cannot persuade her to read her emails and vote on the songs for the band, he cannot force her to do anything.  She says she knows, yeah yeah, she'll get to it.  Then another week goes by.  It is confusing, in a way.  I too would have thought that because this is something they're involved in together, that there would be more of an incentive for each of them to stay on top of things, try hard to make it succeed.  Mike is always on top of things, always knows his parts, but that's because we're not exactly doing challenging songs, he's been playing a long time and knows most of them anyway, and is a real pro.  But this isn't even about the playing.  It's about answering your fucking email and honoring the commitment to the band.

Mike has also said that he doesn't want to be the "liason" between her and the band.  He's not going to ask her what songs she decided on and let us know for her.  He's not going to tell her that there's a new email from John and we need to read it.  First of all, that's stupid.  I wouldn't put him in that position.  She's an adult, she should answer her email.  Second, and this is just a guess, but I'm thinking even if he asked her, she'd just say she hasn't had a chance to think about it, and she'll get to it.

As of tomorrow, it will have been another week.  As with the scorpion and the frog, I don't think things are going to change, and if we let her ride us, she'll sting us and we'll all drown.  What makes it worse is that it hasn't always been like this.  We haven't even been doing this very long, only about eight months, and at first everybody was into it.  I guess she got bored with it or something, and just doesn't want to make the effort, and the fact that her husband is in the band doesn't make any difference.

Maybe she is a prima donna after all.  I've known Karen a long time, she's a friend, so maybe I'm not seeing things clearly.  But this is a clear-cut case of something not happening because she doesn't want it to happen, and it will happen when she's damned good and ready.  I've always seen it as flakiness.  John called me and used the same word.  He said he didn't want to offend me or anything, but Karen is "a real flake".  It's weird because she's such a nice person, a real sweetheart, that I can't imagine that she's doing this on purpose.  But she's got us over a barrel.  We can't make a move without her.  And that's gotta change.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2014, 12:56:25 AM
Mike has also said that he doesn't want to be the "liason" between her and the band.  He's not going to ask her what songs she decided on and let us know for her.  He's not going to tell her that there's a new email from John and we need to read it.  First of all, that's stupid.  I wouldn't put him in that position.  She's an adult, she should answer her email.  Second, and this is just a guess, but I'm thinking even if he asked her, she'd just say she hasn't had a chance to think about it, and she'll get to it.

Seems like it would be a simple enough thing to do without causing any problems, but I officially do not understand people. Hopefully things get sorted without the band taking a couple of steps backwards.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 29, 2014, 01:10:52 PM
I just don't understand how someone cannot get around to checking email more than once a week in 2014.


Maybe that's just because I'm young.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
Yeah, checking my email is literally the first thing I do when I wake up, before even getting out of bed. :lol


But then again, I have no life, so take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 29, 2014, 03:29:40 PM
I have a life... and I check my email literally several times an hour. It's not hard when my phone notifies me of every piece of spam that comes in to my inbox...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 30, 2014, 05:53:29 AM
Yeah, even my mother (who can barely computer) checks her email multiple times a day.

There is no way she is "too busy" to check her email and get back with you guys.  You aren't her backup band, you are a band together.  It's not just something she does when she feels like it, because it's not just her life, its all of your lives.  You guys have to plan things, and communication is the key.

There is REALLY no excuse if her husband is in the band.  If she can't be assed to check her email, then he should discuss these things with her when HE reads HIS email.  Refusal to do this on his part is just as disrespectful to the band as her not doing it herself.  They both need to get their shit together.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 30, 2014, 11:55:48 AM
Yeah, that's what it's looking like.  As I've mentioned earlier, they're both really laid-back people, always relaxed and chill.  What I didn't realize is that's because they don't seem to give a shit about anything, if they don't want to.

We all have our priorities, we all have different things going on in our lives.  The band is just a hobby, an amusement on the side, for all of us.  There's still a presumed "minimum level of commitment" from all involved, but that obviously varies from person to person.  The question then is how much shit are you willing to put up with from the others, because it is just a side thing, we're not making any money and never will, and it's still fun to get together and play.  That's all I'm in it for, anyway.  Right now, I've got some other shit going on at work and in my home life, and this break with the band has actually come at a pretty good time, so I haven't been that worried about it.  It's frustrating, but I have other shit to worry about, too.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on August 31, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
My suggestion woulb be: get rid of the girl. She's gotta go, you know that. It won't work. If her husband decides to go as well, that wouldn't be professional! If she is too busy even to pay attention to her own husband, then I guess he would not mind... But if he does, find another bass player.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2014, 10:47:47 PM
If her husband decides to go as well, that wouldn't be professional!

Can't agree there.  He only joined the band because his wife's the singer.  I wouldn't expect him to stay in if we axe her.  Why would he?  He owes nothing to the band.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2014, 06:25:48 AM
Exactly.  No reason for one to stay if the other goes.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on September 01, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
Very recently I had to "fire" my keyboard player for not keeping up. He was always behind. The guy wouldn´t answer our emails, the guy wouldn´t pay attention to the changes made in the songs. He was always using the "busy" argument - work, family, kids... He is a very good keyboard player, but was lacking dedication.
Suddenly we noticed that 6 months had gone by and we had only composed 3 songs. He was slowing us down. I had to get rid of him and find somebody else.
Keeping someone like this in the band is bad business. This sort of person gets on your nerves. Suddenly what was supposed to be fun became a nightmare.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 01, 2014, 01:43:27 PM
I agree with that.  If he's not pulling his weight to a level others are okay with, actually falling far short and making up excuses all the time, that's no good.  It comes down to the goals set forth by the band, which everyone involved has agreed to.

Our band was never supposed to be a full-time anything.  It is and always has been something to get together to do for fun, a chance to play some songs and get out and maybe entertain some people.  The work and practice involved was to be minimal because bar songs aren't exactly challenge for anyone who's been playing for a while.  The problem is that it takes a certain amount of effort up front to get to that level, and our singer has suddenly (or maybe not so suddenly) decided that she can't make even that much effort.

I guess I've steered it back around to our situation.  I wasn't sure if you were giving an example to support your argument or just providing a relevant anecdote.  It sounds like our two bands are pretty different in terms of goals and structure, so I think it's important to keep that in mind.  But in any situation, someone not pulling their weight to the previously agreed-upon standard is a bad thing.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
The other shoe drops.

Three weeks or so ago, John the band leader says that it's time to start working up that third set.  Emails go around, songs are picked, we decide on a next practice date: this Sunday at 5:00.  We've all been working on the new songs.  Karen actually participates in the email discussions, even makes some good suggestions.

Today she sends an email to everyone in the band, saying that she's really sorry, she's been trying to come to terms with this, but she's decided that she just can't continue with the band.  She says she knows she's let us down, she's tried to keep the band balanced with all of her other commitments, but it's just not working, etc.  In a way, it's a relief.  Things were looking better for a while, but I was kinda wondering how long it would last.  Scorpion and frog.

Mike, her husband, sends an email.  He's blown away!  "Respectfully, Karen, WTF?!"  He's pissed.  He's been working on the songs, a couple hours each, and she should've said something sooner.  Not only that, but he's her husband and this is how he finds out she's quitting the band they're both in?

Yeah, we kinda knew that these two didn't always communicate on things, but whoa.  Blindsided by his own wife.  And pissed about it, and blasting her on a Reply All to the whole band.

I wonder if this means he'll rethink his position on staying in the band.  He said he wouldn't stay if we fired her.  That would be understandably awkward, as it means that even if he voted to keep her, he stayed in a band that voted to can his own wife.  But this is different; she quit, obviously he had no idea that it was coming, and he's pissed.  Also, on a selfish level, I'd rather we didn't have to find a new bassist and a new singer at the same time.  We were just going to come off a two-month break; this could kill the band.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2014, 05:37:53 PM
Ha, she just sent another email, all indignant, saying that he's the one that encouraged her to quit.  And some other things.

John sent texts to the rest of us (leaving Mike and Karen out) right after Mike's email, advising us to just keep quiet, let them spat.  Of course!  I've got a front row seat, I don't want to mess up the show.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 26, 2014, 05:39:58 PM
:clap:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on September 26, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
I saw this coming, man! I told ya before the situation wouldn't hold itself. I've walked that road. I'm glad you guys got rid of her!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2014, 07:56:08 PM
Well, we didn't actually get rid of her; she quit.  But yeah, either way, we are rid of her.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2014, 08:09:05 PM
Whoa, that's some drama! I've been waiting for the update on this band. It's the backbone of the musician chat thread. :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
:lol

Sadly, the emails have stopped.  I think they both said their respective pieces and have calmed down enough to realize that Reply All is not the proper forum for a husband-wife spat.

So this Sunday's practice is cancelled now.  I'm not surprised.  Steve (lead guitar) told me a while back that he was checking out another female singer, and she was pretty good, but he didn't want to jump the gun or have anyone get upset, so he hadn't contacted her or anything.  Shit, now it looks like we just should've pulled the trigger back then.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2014, 08:47:31 PM
:lol

Sadly, the emails have stopped.  I think they both said their respective pieces and have calmed down enough to realize that Reply All is not the proper forum for a husband-wife spat.


You think? :neverusethis:

So she can't reply to emails at regular times, but then after she quits, it's constant. :lol She has some serious communication issues.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 27, 2014, 10:13:38 AM
The past couple of weeks, it seemed like she'd actually figured it out.  As I said, she participated in the discussions about which songs to do next, who's singing what, what key, that kind of thing.  She was making an obvious effort to communicate and make it work, basically solving the only real problem we had with her.  Then suddenly "I can't do this anymore, I quit."

I think Mike's reaction was real, I think it caught him completely off guard, and he went ahead and shared his reply with everyone to let us know that he was just as shocked as we were.

Then she had to defend herself of course, saying he was the one who encouraged her to quit.  I honestly can't see that, it doesn't make any sense, but I can imagine it being a twisting of certain conversations.  She's really busy, she's got so many things going on, she can't handle it all, and he says maybe she should consider dropping something.  Too many plates in the air, something's gonna fall and break.  The topic comes up a few more times, the way it does between a married couple, and again the only advice he can offer is to cut back on the number of things she's trying to do at once.  So she quits the band.

If there had been a next email, it would have been from Mike, saying "I said to quit *something*, not quit the band we're in *together*!"  That's my guess.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 30, 2014, 12:38:21 PM
Shit.  So Mike is out, too.  He says it has nothing to do with the band itself, as he likes us and likes playing with us, but has everything to do with trying to build back his relationship with his wife.  Apparently they've been having problems lately, have been separated on and off, and this is why he didn't see it coming, and earlier could not commit to being the liason between her and the band.  Communication has been strained of late, and dropping out of the band will help them both.  He's said from the beginning that he's only in it because of Karen, so this isn't really a surprise, just disappointing.  But I didn't know about all the shit that's been going on behind the scenes.  So there ya go.  We need a new singer and a new bass player.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on September 30, 2014, 12:48:07 PM
Well, keep on going... You have a keyboard, just do the bass lines and ask for the drummer to improve on the bass too.
Ask one of the guitar players to sing till you find a new singer.
Maybe, after all this adaptation process, you find out you don´t need anybody else in the band!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 30, 2014, 12:57:40 PM
One of the guitarists does some lead vocals.  Actually, he's been doing about 2/3 of them up until now, but that was never the plan.  It was supposed to be about 2/3 Karen and 1/3 Steve, but since Karen never picked songs and wouldn't sing songs she didn't like, Steve ended up singing more, but we've got a couple of female singers lined up, so John said to watch our emails for audition times.

As for the bass, I've done keyboard bass before, but never in a "real" rock setting (church band only).

I know your suggestions were half tongue-in-cheek, but we've actually knocked around the different variations already, and really do need to replace each of them.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 30, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
Keyboard bass sounds like such a better option, over having a living, breathing bass player :lol I say that as a bass player myself.  You would have a much more versatile sound. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 30, 2014, 05:18:04 PM
The problem is that we've specifically picked a lot of songs because they have keyboards in them.  And songs with keyboards... tend to actually have keyboards (plural).  Piano and strings, organ and piano, piano and synth, etc.  If it's not a basic guitar-rock song, then at least half the time, I'm going two-handed already, so covering bass as well just isn't an option.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 30, 2014, 07:11:58 PM
What about a midi foot controller/keyboard thing? I have one thats one octave and it comes in handy when I need both hands.  Granted you probably couldn't get too tech with it, then again I don't know how good you are with your feet :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 30, 2014, 08:38:12 PM
I'm not a organist.  That is, not a real organist, the kind who can run scales with their feet.  Besides that, you have to be sitting down to do that.

Bass pedals and even keyboard bass are no substitute for a real bass player.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 30, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
Fuck it Bob. Fly me out there. I'll play bass.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 01, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
Thanks for the offer, Jay.  I'm not sure how well it'd go over with the others, telling them there's this guy I know from the Internet, and we need to pay to fly him out for an audition, but I'll keep it in mind.  ;)

I guess John has been in contact with Rob, our original bass player, who dropped out to fight his cancer which had come back.  Actually, he never lost contact with him; he said he talks to him every couple of weeks, and he (Rob) knows our situation and has offered to fill in if we need it.  I asked John how Rob's treatments have been going, if he's up to it, all that.  Turns out Rob hasn't started his treatments yet.  He's been putting it off.  I thought he dropped out of the band because he was going to be dealing with that, and John said that's what he thought, too, but apparently not.  So I guess I don't know what's going on there.  But we weren't talking about getting him back in the band, just that he'd offered to fill in if we need it.  But with no gigs lined up, and no singer, that's not an issue right now.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 01, 2014, 11:03:06 AM
You'd also have to pay for a decent bass and rig... seeing as I have a piece of shit bottom of the line Samick and a 15 watt amp.


Do we have a deal>
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 01, 2014, 09:41:16 PM
I'm not a organist.  That is, not a real organist, the kind who can run scales with their feet.  Besides that, you have to be sitting down to do that.

Bass pedals and even keyboard bass are no substitute for a real bass player.

I'm not even a keyboardist and I manage to play simple stuff, I think you'd have a far easier time doing it than I seeing as you have actual keyboard skills :lol. 

I'd bet my bass rig that noone besides the musicians in the room would notice there was no bass player there :lol most people just think I'm playing electric guitar at our gigs. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on October 01, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
So our singer isn't putting in nearly as much effort as the rest of us in the band, which is something we've been struggling with for the last year. I've spoken to him about if multiple times and he just gave me the same old "Okay man", "you got it man" bullshit. So we've decided to kick him out of the band, which is gonna take place on friday. I'm kinda bummed about it cause I've known the guy since the first grade, and I get the feeling he's gonna take it really personally. *sigh*
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 01, 2014, 11:39:40 PM
That sucks.  Axing someone you know and have known for a long time is rough.  I've only actually known Karen and Mike for three or four years, but she was holding us back, and if it had come to a vote, I probably would've voted to axe her.  And I would've felt shitty about it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on October 02, 2014, 06:07:00 AM
It´s the old dichotomy friendship x business.
People must have a rational attitude in order not to mix it up.  Being a good friend has got nothing to do with being a good business partner.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
For the next six weeks or so at church, I will be moving over to acoustic guitar because a guitarist is taking a leave of absence.  We have new guy who does percussion/drums, so he will be sliding over to my spot.

It will be good to play guitar again for awhile.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 06, 2014, 01:02:14 PM
Be prepared.  All those people who forgot or didn't realize that you play guitar will be coming up to you afterwards, saying "Wow, you play drums and guitar? You're so talented!"
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2014, 01:12:52 PM
Be prepared.  All those people who forgot or didn't realize that you play guitar will be coming up to you afterwards, saying "Wow, you play drums and guitar? You're so talented!"
Yeah, I get that every time I switch things up.

The funny thing is that I'm only talented enough that people who don't play anything think I'm pretty good.  I have no illusions about my abilities.   I am serviceable, but not much beyond that.  With guitar, I am strictly rhythm.

It's kind of funny.  Not sure how else to explain it, but when I play guitar, I'm thinking of drums, and when I play drums, I'm thinking of guitar.  It's like I'm playing one THROUGH another. 

I need the work on guitar anyway.  I am playing a wedding in a couple of weeks, I need the practice lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on October 06, 2014, 03:20:50 PM
Cool!
We have something in common! I also play the guitar and the drums.
I have 2 bands today: one for the guitar and the other one for the drums!
People say I'm a pretty good guitarist. But I got tired of it and started taking drums lessons! Life is too short to spend it all playing only one instrument! :biggrin:
Anyway, I'm having a hard time trying to think as a drummer! I started to study jazz drummers to work it out!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 06, 2014, 04:01:32 PM
I think I get what Hef is talking about.  Whatever instrument you play, if you're in an ensemble, what you play shouldn't just be played in isolation.  You should always be thinking about how what you're doing contributes to the group as a whole.  That's especially important in a cover band, as it's usually a given that you won't have the exact same instrumentation as on the original recording.  During the chorus, there's extra background vocals, or maybe some strings or something.  You might not have that available, but you can fill things in a bit with keyboards.  During the guitar solo, be ready to add something, otherwise things will sound empty even with the guitar solo going on because up to this point he was providing a second rhythm guitar.  That kind of thing.

Piano is my main instrument, but when I'm playing solo or accompanying someone, I'm thinking about the original arrangement.  When it gets to the heavy part of the song, where the drums kick in big time and the guitars start hitting power chords, I have to emulate that on the piano.  Big chords straddling middle C so they have some guts, octaves in the left hand, and play everything percussively.  During the quieter parts of the song, lighten up, arpeggios and open inversions, maybe some flourishes in the right hand.  I'm playing the piano, but thinking about the drums, guitars, bass, anything else that's going on in the song, even if it's just in my head, because it will come out through my hands.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: tiagodon on October 06, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
It's much easier to think for the group as a guitar player than as a drummer!
I am a soloist when playing the guitar. So I'm not interested in a kind of drumming that is just "the guy in the back". My guitar playing is obviously affecting my drumming attitude. I want to be a Portnoy kind of drummer! I don't want to be an AC/DC kind of drummer!
So it's really hard to build a song as a drummer (if you want to be more than just the metronome of the band).I mean, to orchestrate the syncopation, to work the possible combinations inside the bars, to keep the tempo...
God, how I respect the drummers! Tough instrument!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2014, 08:39:16 PM
I think I get what Hef is talking about. 
Yeah, sounds like you do.  :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 13, 2014, 11:22:01 AM
Be prepared.  All those people who forgot or didn't realize that you play guitar will be coming up to you afterwards, saying "Wow, you play drums and guitar? You're so talented!"
BTW, this exact same thing happened yesterday after our service  :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 13, 2014, 11:33:17 AM
Be prepared.  All those people who forgot or didn't realize that you play guitar will be coming up to you afterwards, saying "Wow, you play drums and guitar? You're so talented!"
BTW, this exact same thing happened yesterday after our service  :lol

Yep.  It's amusing, but not unexpected.  You just have to roll with it. :lol Every once in a while, I'll end up playing piano, sax, and flute in the same service, and people go nuts.  I'm not doing it to impress people.  There's the one song with horns, so I add sax to Dusty's trumpet.  There's this other song that has violins, but we only have one violin, but I can add a flute for harmony.  It sounds sweet.  Et cetera.

Heck, I grew up listening to Gentle Giant; those guys would change instruments three or four times in the same song.  You do what serves the music.  It's not a big deal.  But yeah, non-musicians tend to be impressed by stuff like that.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 13, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
I got it again at the grocery store yesterday evening.  It's neat, and flattering, but ultimately meaningless.  Just whatever fits the songs.

I played three instruments in one service before (drums, guitar, keys - and I mean one key at a time lol).  That's my record.

This new guy playing drums is pretty good, so I may be on guitar for a while.  That's cool.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 13, 2014, 03:02:20 PM
My record is four, kinda.  I sing tenor in the choir, and we did an anthem with a bassoon part, written as a countermelody.  No bassoon players handy, so I transcribed it for saxophone and played the part.  But the rest of the music for that service was the praise band, and I did some lead and background vocals plus flute in addition to my regular keyboards.  That was fun.

Whoa, bragging about praise bands.  That's kinda pathetic, actually.  I'm gonna stop now.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2014, 06:16:00 AM
I sing as well.

OK, I'm done too.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 14, 2014, 07:35:15 AM
The Ongoing Trials and Tribulations of Orbert's Band

Previously on The Ongoing Trials and Tribulations of Orbert's Band...

Our lead singer Karen suddenly quit, three days before we were to resume rehearsals and start working up our third set.

Her husband Mike, who is also our bass player, also quits, per some agreement he and Karen had made, but he's pissed.  Basically both of them have too many things going on and need to focus on their marriage.  He hates that she put him in this position, but he still has to put his wife before the band.

Our fearless leader, John, starts searching BandMix.com for female lead singers in our area, our approximate age and background, and interest in "classic rock" or "70's rock".  He keeps the band updated via email.

No results.  John announces that he is expanding the search in terms of age requirement.  The assumption has been that while younger singers will generally have better voices, they will also be less likely to want to work with a bunch of old farts like us.

One hit.  After exchanging emails and setting up a time to talk on the phone, twice, and not calling, John drops her.  She never does get back to him.

John announces that he is expanding the search in terms of geographical area.  John's house is way out in the northwest suburbs, and I drive half an hour each way as it is.  But if someone wants to drive an hour or more, fine.

One more hit.  About our age, same background, great voice, also good looking.  And she likes our set list!  John talked to her for an hour on the phone, and she's psyched.  We set up an audition for this Sunday. 

Bonus trivia: The band she just left had also auditioned Karen way back when, but went with her.

Bonus bonus trivia: Since we don't have a bass player, Mike agrees to help us out by playing with us for the audition.  He says he misses playing with us.  He is therefore helping us audition the singer who'd beaten his wife out for her previous gig, for a gig to replace his wife, in a band he's not even in anymore.

We received an email last night.  She's taken a gig with another band.  They're already out there working, and in some of the nicer venues around here, and their singer just quit.  Can't blame her, but now we're back to the drawing board.

John announces that he's expanding the search to include transvestites.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 14, 2014, 08:05:00 AM
My offer still stands
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2014, 11:13:34 AM
You're going to become a transvestite?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on October 14, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
You're going to become a transvestite?

 :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 14, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
If that is what it takes to make it in music in the 'burbs round Chicago. .
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 16, 2014, 06:51:27 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 22, 2014, 05:38:45 PM
I swear, you could not make up better drama and general clusterfuck than this.


So, John had announced that he'd expanded the search to include transvestites.  If you knew John, you'd know that this is way out of character for him.  He's a very straight-laced guy, never swears or tells off-color jokes.  This is his frustration and anger showing.

Our drummer JT says "Wasn't that the last singer?"  Does this on a Reply All, and I'm thinking "whoa, dude..."

Mike jumps in a gives JT some shit about checking the list of recipients before hitting Reply All and saying things about someone's wife, mother, daughter, etc.

JT says "Wait, what?  I'm talking about that other chick (the one who never called back)!"  John had forwarded everyone links to her page on BandMix.com and to her personal page so we could check her out, so we'd seen pictures of her.  One of JT's friends said she looked like a guy in a wig (which she kinda does) so that's what JT thought of when John made the transvestite joke.  He explained as much.

Backpedalling?  I honestly don't think so.  JT is a straight-shooter, ex-military, and had previously confided to me that he thought Karen was pretty hot (which she is) so I believe him.  But he's not particularly eloquent, especially in email where expression is limited, so it did come off as a somewhat lame attempt to save face.

Mike seems to buy it, apologizes for jumping to conclusions, etc.

Two days later, Karen sends a Facebook message to "the group", to the band's Facebook page.  Word has gotten back to her, she's upset, disappointed and saddened that people would say things like that about her, for the record, she is and has always been a woman, etc.  But I'm the one who set up the band's Facebook page, and as admin, I'm the only one who can even read the message.  That put me in the position of having to clear the air, explain how it all went down, and try to calm her down.  At this point, I honestly don't care whether or not JT's comment was a bad joke about Karen (which I still don't think it was), I'm gonna say whatever it takes to convince her that it wasn't, and that it was all a misunderstanding.  Why?  Because Karen's my friend, and I might be in a band with JT, but I still care more about Karen than JT saving face.

So I explain it all to her, sprinkled heavily with reassuring things about how JT would never say that (which is true) and that he actually thinks she's hot, and how I really shouldn't share that because it goes against the guy code, but it's true and relevant here.  She writes back.  She buys it.  It all makes sense now, especially how Mike would specifically tell her the part that hurts her the most, and downplay JT's explanation as a lame attempt to save face, because he's like that.  So abusive, so disrespectful of her feelings, and a bunch of other shit that I have no business getting into the middle of.  I consider both of them friends, and I met them together, played with them together, and this is super awkward for me.  Karen goes on about how facing the prospect of being single at our age and at this point in her life is scary, and she's just feeling vulnerable and overreacting to everything, and feels really stupid now.  I say all the right things like how it sucks how this went down, but she's a great person, talented, attractive, and she'll be fine, but yeah it's kinda scary and I'm there for her if she ever needs someone to talk to, etc.  She writes back, I'm a good friend, yay.

John sends another email to the group.  The last chick, the one who took the gig with the other band, called him back.  Yeah, they gig regularly, which was the big draw to her.  They actually work every weekend, and practice twice a week (which is probably why they're so good and work so much, but not everyone has time for that) and that's actually too much for her.  So she called them back and said she changed her mind and now wants to try out with us again.

Desperation sucks.  Yes, this is a good thing, because we still need a singer, so if she's figured out that the other gig was actually too much and she'd just like to get together once or twice a month and rock and roll, then that's cool.  But she didn't actually talk to this other band first?  They didn't tell her that they practice twice a week and have gigs booked every weekend from now until next year?  They thought they had a new singer, and now they don't.  We thought we were auditioning a new singer, then we weren't, but now we are again?


So much drama, so much pain, so much daze and confusion.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 22, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
Why is this not a reality show already, Orbert? I'd watch this.  :corn I still hold out hope that one day your band might actually make it to a gig before exploding.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 22, 2014, 07:57:05 PM
That would be cool, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 23, 2014, 08:03:53 AM
Amazing.  :clap:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2014, 07:41:58 AM
So, our band from church is having an outdoor "outreach" concert at a local park tomorrow afternoon.  I hope it won't be too cold for my fingers to work.  I also hope all of our gear will work correctly - we never play "out", only at church, so we are using a different PA system for this endeavor.

Hopefully it will be fun and meaningful.  We will be doing some things that aren't necessarily worship songs, but will let us stretch a little.  We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 07, 2014, 08:39:35 AM
Where are you?  Here in Chicagoland, we got below freezing for the first time this past week, and the weekend is looking to be pretty chilly.  I wouldn't want to play an outdoor gig.  But then, I wouldn't have taken an outdoor gig in November in Chicago anyway.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
I'm in North Carolina.  Last weekend we had a cold snap and we were below freezing.  The high on Saturday is supposed to be 55, but the show starts at 1pm, and I doubt we are at the high by that point.  Not to mention the time it will take to set up, when it DEFINITELY won't be at the high.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 07, 2014, 10:13:03 PM
Well, stay warm, and I hope it goes well.  ♫♫
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 08, 2014, 04:14:54 AM
Well, stay warm, and I hope it goes well.  ♫♫
Our run-through last night was pretty tight.  I am hopeful of a good performance.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on November 08, 2014, 09:45:57 AM
Orbert, I love reading your posts in this thread :)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 08, 2014, 10:26:55 AM
Thanks.  I do try to make them interesting/entertaining, which is pretty easy, given the source material.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 08, 2014, 03:17:28 PM
Well, our show went well. We did about 17 songs.  I played guitar and sang on 14 and played drums on the other 3. It wasn't too cold and we had a good turn out.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 08, 2014, 09:00:58 PM
Very cool!  :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 09, 2014, 04:45:45 AM
Oh, and I got sunburn on the back of my neck. 

The sacrifices we make for our art.

lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 04, 2014, 08:42:26 AM
Orbert, no updates?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 04, 2014, 11:35:19 AM
Quick update on my music career. My band (normally just a regular cover band) finally agreed to try and rehearse the entire The Wall album. We did that once for my final conservatory exam, and played it pretty well, but far from perfect. Lately we've been getting slightly less gigs, so the rest of the band agreed to try this again. First rehearsal went great, we worked our way through the first side (In The Flesh? - Mother) in under 2 hours. Nowhere near good enough, but it was awesome to play all this music again.
The first gigs are being set, we are trying to arrange a small try-out tour in bars (a couple have been confirmed now), and record some promotional material at those, so that we can step it up a notch and try to get small theaters interested.

It's a lot of arranging and planning, especially since there are only 3-4 gigs certain as of now, but I'm sure it'll pay off. Next up: trying to get some animators or other artists to work with us for the visual side of the show. I'd love to see this work out, I mean, it's great to play in front of drunk students about every weekend, but to play this music instead should be way more fulfilling.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on December 04, 2014, 12:14:03 PM
Orbert, no updates?

Oh okay, since you insist. ;)

--------------

This new potential lead singer, Anne, has a gig coming up, so she tells John that if he'd like to come see her and her current (soon to be former) band, she can put his name on the guest list.  It's a private event, but they told the band that they could each invite one or two friends.  So John and Kay (John's wife) go to this party thing.

The event is the annual bash put on by the "Gender Society of Chicago" or something like that.  Transvestites, transsexuals, and other trans.  The joke John had made about expanding the search criteria to include transvestites came immediately to mind.  She says in her email that they pay well, and as most artists say, "A gig's a gig."  Hey, I'm not judging.

John gets hit on all evening.  He's a good-looking guy, tall, in good shape, great smile.  His wife Kay is a babe, and they totally ignore her.  That's probably never happened to her before.

Oh yeah, the band.  They sucked.  They set up on a "stage" which was basically a platform raised a foot off the floor at one end of the room.  It wasn't very big, so the monitors were down on the main floor, right against the front of the stage, which meant that most of the monitor sound went under the stage, not up to the band.  Since the band couldn't hear themselves, the sound guy tried to compensate by cranking the mains, resulting in massive feedback screeches every couple of minutes.  Whenever that happened, one of two things would happen: (1) he pulls the mains back down and throws his hands up in a "What am I supposed to do?" motion, or (2) nothing, because he's outside having a smoke.  Option 2 happens a lot more than Option 1.  The feedback screams for a while, then he comes running in the back door and pulls the mains down.  Also, he's set up to one side of the band, slightly behind the stage, because that's probably where they told him to set up, so he can't hear anything anyway, and has to do the thing where he adjusts a fader, runs out to the main floor to listen a little, runs back and adjusts some more, etc.

The bassist, guitarist, and drummer all suck.  John says that Anne the singer and the other lead singer, who plays the flute and think's he's Ian Anderson, are the only ones with any actual talent, and Anne would definitely do better with a decent band behind her.  The lead guy acts like he's taking medication to enhance his spastic actions.  He runs around and dances and stuff, trying to be Ian Anderson, even though there's really no room for it, and looks pretty stupid, but obviously he thinks it looks really cool, and it's his band, so whatever.  You can understand why Anne wants to leave this band.

We set an audition date.  We set up a song list.  Five songs; three from our current list, two new ones that she likes.  One is "What's Up?" by 4 Non Blondes, which everyone in the world knows, and if they don't, they will two minutes later because it's literally the same three chords all the way through.  Verses, chorus, breaks, same chords (A, Bm, D).  The other song is new to us.  "High Road Easy" by Sass Jordan.  Never heard of her, but it's a kickass song.  We're so eager to learn new songs and also hopefully impress this girl that we agree to learn two songs just for the audition.  And she's impressed by that, so... cool.

Steve, our guitarist who has been looking for a job for like two like years,  has scored one.  Driving a truck, 11 days on the road, three days off.  This means he's available every other weekend, but that's cool because we only practice every other weekend, and hey, a gig's a gig.  But it makes it tricky to schedule the audition because the weekend he's in town is coming up, and that's not enough time to learn the new tunes.  Two weeks later, Anne gets sick and can't sing.  We were all ready to go.  That was the weekend before Thanksgiving.  We still haven't rescheduled her audition.

Meanwhile, we've got a few bass players who look promising.  We auditioned one of them, Jerry, last week.  He's mediocre at best.  Personality-wise, he's a good fit.  Same age as us, one teenager and one in college, lives nearby, been playing since high school, all that.  The audition takes place one day short of three months since our last gig.  He seemed impressed by how tight we were for not playing together for three months.  Meanwhile, we're not particularly impressed by him, especially considering that this is an audition and he presumably had prepared and this was as good as he was gonna do.

We do "Long Train Runin'" by The Doobie Brothers in E, down from G, because Steve can't sing it in G.  Too damned high.  Our previous bassist, Mike, had no problem playing it in E, even said it was easier.  Jerry said almost the same thing, "It's just frets."  Except he got lost and confused a few times.  On one of the other songs, "What You Need" by INXS, he played something... weird.  Mostly just thumped on the tonic, instead of that awesome moving bass line on the record.  We stopped the song and asked him what he was doing.  He said that "that's what on the sheet music."  Oh shit.

I've looked up chord charts and sheet music for songs before, and it's often a handy shortcut to what key it's in, and some of the chords that venture outside your standard 1-4-5, but after that, you still have to learn your part.  Anyone with ears knows the guy isn't just thumping on the F# the whole verse.

So Jerry is not a strong prospect.  Earlier this week, John sent an email saying he had two other guys lined up, and they've both backed out.  One decided he didn't really have time after all, the other has gotten back with a former band.  Shit.

JT, our drummer, sent an email last night saying he's got a guy who wants to audition, is Monday okay?  Four days from now.  Sure, what the hell.  Since then, John and Steve have practically gotten into an argument about which songs to play before I've even responded (I didn't see the email until this morning).  So I finally replied and told them I was in, and when they figure out which songs to do, to let me know.

I won't have much time to prepare anyway, and might not even bother setting up my gear.  It's still packed from Jerry's audition.  This Sunday, the choir is doing our Christmas Cantata, and we have a full rehearsal on Saturday.  Yeah, baby!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 04, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
Sweet!

Quick update on my music career. My band (normally just a regular cover band) finally agreed to try and rehearse the entire The Wall album. We did that once for my final conservatory exam, and played it pretty well, but far from perfect. Lately we've been getting slightly less gigs, so the rest of the band agreed to try this again. First rehearsal went great, we worked our way through the first side (In The Flesh? - Mother) in under 2 hours. Nowhere near good enough, but it was awesome to play all this music again.
The first gigs are being set, we are trying to arrange a small try-out tour in bars (a couple have been confirmed now), and record some promotional material at those, so that we can step it up a notch and try to get small theaters interested.

It's a lot of arranging and planning, especially since there are only 3-4 gigs certain as of now, but I'm sure it'll pay off. Next up: trying to get some animators or other artists to work with us for the visual side of the show. I'd love to see this work out, I mean, it's great to play in front of drunk students about every weekend, but to play this music instead should be way more fulfilling.
Hey, that's cool!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on December 04, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
I was in a bit of a hurry and forgot a few things I meant to include in that last update.  Yeah I know, it was long enough as it was, but I really do think of these things, and try to remember to write about them here.

So remember how JT had made that bad joke about transvestites and "the last singer", meaning that other girl who never did audition with us because she never called John back (after twice saying in email that she would)?  And how he had to explain all that when Mike, Karen's estranged husband (but trying not to be) called him out on it, taking offense because he thought JT was talking about Karen?  Well, it turns out that JT really did stick his foot in it, really was talking about Karen, didn't notice that Mike was on the Reply All list (because at that point Mike was out of the band, but was on the email because he'd agreed to play bass with us to help audition the new singer), and he really was backpedalling.  Steve told me about it when we got together last week for Jerry's mediocre audition.  JT sent Steve a text about it.  JT did such a brilliant job of backpedalling that I actually bought it.

Still, even if I hadn't, I would've given the same story to Karen because there's no point in her feeling like shit over something like that, and there's still a chance that Mike only shared that with her to upset her.  I have no idea how fucked up their relationship is, but Karen intimated that it's abusive and it would be just like Mike to do something like that.  I had no idea.  They always seemed so cool together.  But regardless, at that moment, Karen needed some reassurance and understanding, so I gave it to her.  It helps that I believed JT's story, or wanted to believe it anyway, but I would've lied to spare her feelings.  I don't know if that's right or wrong.

I'm Facebook Friends with all of these people, and saw recently that Karen is now Friends with Rick, the original guitarist who turned out to be a psycho head case.  John fired him from the band after a unaminous vote, but Rick tried telling me that he'd actually quit and John just told us all that he'd fired him.  Rick was the guy who would show up to rehearsals and play things completely differently from the record, and differently from what they'd decided (with multiple guitarists, you have to decide who plays what), and then later complained to John that he couldn't take it anymore, being expected to play things a certain way, and answer to everybody else in the band, and whine, whine, whine.  The first thing is just common sense; when everyone's worked out their parts, you can't just play something totally different because you thought you'd try something new.  The second, I have no idea where that came from, except maybe that some of us said something about how he wasn't playing anything like what was on the record.

Anyway, Karen and Rick are now Facebook Friends.  They can bond over quitting the same band, or getting fired, or however they want to see it, and have a few laughs at our expense.  Good for them.

And finally, because I'm Facebook Friends with Steve, I know that he recently joined a group called Chicago Area Musicians Looking for Bands, or something very much like that.  So that's kinduv interesting.  Maybe it was part of the search for bass players, and maybe it was for himself, who knows?

The drama continues.  Still no lead singer and no bass player.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 04, 2014, 07:50:17 PM
I actually read all of that (both posts). Always amusing to catch up on the Orbert news (we really need a name for these reality show shenanigans).
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Elite on December 16, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
The Chronicles of Orbert: Musical Madness Made Magnificent.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on December 16, 2014, 02:59:35 PM
JT's new guy, Tony, was amazing, and he has been voted into the band, unanimously.  We have a new bass player.

JT's been around for a long time, and is a very talented and very intense person.  He's toured professionally (I think he said he was with Bette Midler's band for a tour) and also done some pretty high-profile gigs.  The last time Tony and JT played together was at the Trump Tower for the Australian Consulate.  So yeah, high-profile stuff.  So why's he slumming with a middle-aged garage (actually basement) band?  Because he's 50, owns two businesses and runs three, and just wants to play rock and roll for fun.  The hassle of chasing down gigs and dealing with all that is for younger guys, or guys with more time than he has.  He keeps one of his four kits at John's house, and just drives over for practices.

Anyway, the guys eventually agreed on five songs, which we and Tony blew through, no problem.  He was great, jumped in and did background vocals, the whole nine yards.  Then it was time to sit down and talk a bit, get to know each other, and everybody was cool and joking around and he was a good fit personality-wise as well.  Then John says "Okay, now what?" and I knew he was talking about whether we vote or what, but I didn't pack all my shit and haul it half an hour up the road to play five songs, so I said "Let's jam some more."  So we went and jammed for another half hour, maybe 45 minutes.  Good times.

Anne, the potential new singer, still can't sing.  We rescheduled her audition again, then had to cancel it again.  Her doctor says it's developed into some kind of bronchial infection.  Nasty stuff for anyone, but obviously extra bad for a singer.

John sent an email today saying he has reached out to another prospect, someone named Julie, and asked for our thoughts.  I told him that it's not a bad idea to keep our options open.  He sent a link to her page on BandMix.com.  Three song samples, but no pictures.  This is incredibly shallow of me, but generally if someone thinks their looks will help their chances of getting gigs, or at least won't hurt their chances, they include pictures of themselves.  What does it mean when someone is looking to join a band, but doesn't want anyone to see pictures of them?  Yeah.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 18, 2014, 08:47:36 AM
Could be a problem.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 18, 2014, 02:43:18 PM
Depends on what her age is? A lot of people over 40 and even some slightly over 30 still think putting their pictures online is a huuuuge no-no even in places where they're required. You're gonna see her at some point anyway so maybe it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on December 18, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
True.  But in the music biz, image is often just as important as talent, possibly moreso.  Not so much for the stuff we're doing, but still, the lead singer is the face of the band, and right or wrong, looks matter.  If there are two or three potential candidates with decent promo pics, that's all you need.  You check out their song samples, read their biographies, and go from there.  By not including any pictures at all, she's letting the music do the talking, which ideally is how it should be, but the number of people who listen to her samples will be greatly reduced to begin with.  She's already put herself in the "second choices" pile.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 19, 2014, 10:49:52 AM
Well, that's just her problem then. Hopefully you'll be able to put the whole band together soon!

About the image - I can totally get your point. Members of bands around here always like to stress how no one comes to hometown gigs anymore but there are always flocks of people on foreign bands' gigs, and I think that one of the many reasons why that might be the case is that, unlike the foreign bands, they don't do anything to entice the audience image-wise. They don't have a stage show, or an image, or promotion, or any sex appeal. Basic rock music has a lot to do with sex appeal and if you're not gonna work on your chops to play something a little more esoteric (what you guys are playing is pretty esoteric by Serb band standards!), at least don't hire a lead singer that looks like an anemic middle schooler, and don't wear cargo shorts on stage? You don't have to be hot, you can be ugly, as long as it's an interesting kind of ugly. Look at Lemmy!

A lot of the magic of a rock/metal show for younger peeps is in the costuming. When you get to a show and the audience is dressed a certain way and the band is dressed a certain way and you are dressed a certain way, there's some tribe magic being conjured up, but the band must be one notch above "regular Joes". If you see Jimmy from the block coming up on stage with a beer to play the guitar, it's just not going to be as convincing. But if it's a hot dude with hair down to his ass, well, you got something :lol I first "met" my boyfriend on a gig of his band and he looks like he could be in Mastodon :xbones
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 22, 2014, 06:53:26 AM
So yesterday at church we had our Christmas show.  No sermon, just the band rocking out to some contemporary arrangements of carols and some newer-written Christmas tunes.  We even did Gabriel's Message by Sting, which I got to play solo on guitar, and it has a weird time feel to it, so almost some prog.  :metal
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Post by: Orbert on December 22, 2014, 09:08:32 AM
Sounds awesome!
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Post by: Orbert on December 23, 2014, 12:31:05 PM
So we did the children's play at church, and it was, as always, a success.  Come on, it's not the most demanding audience.  But I played the piano for the songs, and also led the "youth ensemble" in a modified arrangement of the Christmas medley I'd done for the praise band two years ago.  It was great.  Somehow, word got out that it was my arrangement, and people were all over me after the service, telling me how much they liked it, so that was cool.  Someone even sent me a card completely raving about what a great ministry it is for the kids to have someone to guide them give their talents an opportunity to shine like that.

That actually surprised me, and made me think.  I'm by nature a selfish person.  I like to play because I like to play.  I'm a showoff, an attention junkie.  Yes, I get off on other people enjoying it, but I've never quite figured out if making them happy is what I like, or I just get off on the attention and acclaim.  I don't know; maybe it's the same thing.  But what I hadn't really thought about was the opportunity I'm giving the kids.  I've thought of them as extensions of their instruments.  I got to arrange a piece for flute, clarinet, violin, viola, piano, and guitar.  A weird, unique ensemble, and a fun challenge.  I was glad to have the opportunity to do it, and glad that there were kids who wanted to play, but I never thought about how they, as musicians, benefit so much from doing something like this.  And it seemed weird to me that that had never even occurred to me before, and that's why I know that I'm really doing this out of selfishness.  I love it when people love my work, but I'm still not doing it for them; I'm doing it for me, for the rush I get from the applause.  That's kinda fucked up, I think.

----------

And of course, the latest news on Orbert's band.

Anne, the potential new singer who for two months now, on and off, has supposedly been trying to set up an audition with us, and us with her, sent John a text saying that they really need to talk.  Yeah, so that sounds ominous.  They talk, and she's completely on the fence about this whole thing.  She doesn't like to disappoint people, and she doesn't really handle change well.  Sure, her current band isn't great, but they have fun and they do get some gigs, and that's okay with her.  Apparently all the reasons she wanted to quit are no longer relevant.  So why is she even calling?  What, just to vent?

John has had about enough of this, and he also wants her for our band, so he tells her that really, she needs to decide what she wants to do.  Does she want to audition with us or not?  Does she really want to stay with a band that pushes her aside for some spazz with a flute and not even see if the grass is any greener elsewhere?  (Basically, shit or get off the pot, honey.)  She finally decides that she should at least audition with us.  Well, damned right she should!

Except she's still supposedly fighting off whatever bug has invaded her body and won't leave.  And even if she auditions with us, we don't know if we're any closer to stealing her from her current lame band.


In other news, Mike and Karen's New Year's Eve Jam is coming up again.  They host a big jam every New Year's Eve at their house and invite all their friends, which includes a lot of musicians since they've played in a lot of bands and count all of them as friends.  I've been invited every year for four or five years now, but we always got together with our friends and I couldn't do it.  Last year, the female half of the other couple (who is also named Karen) got sick, so our plans were cancelled and I was free to go jam.  Yay!  Except we got a foot of snow that night, starting at around 6:00, so I stayed home after all.  :( 

So anyway, our band, Oh Zone, was invited, either individually or as a band.  Since we just got a new bassist and still don't have a singer, Mike said he and/or Karen would be happy to jump in a fill things out.  It's just gonna be a bunch of musicians forming various groups and subgroups and playing songs.  I'm looking forward to it.  I want to jam.  I just want to play.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on December 23, 2014, 01:12:32 PM
Playing music is inherently selfish in my opinion. Sure, when people play music, they can appeal to the people listening, but when it comes down to it, music is all about those playing the music. I wouldn't be a musician if it didn't make me feel happy, or excited, or some other way whenever I play. And if people enjoy what I'm doing, great, that makes it even better, but at the core it's all about what I get out of it.

In regards to the jam, JAM OUT, MAN. Jamming is awesome. Especially when it's with people you know pretty well and you can just rock out.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on December 28, 2014, 02:00:59 AM
Our bass player during the drum and bass tracking for our upcoming album. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=630973600348361
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 11, 2015, 06:05:30 PM
The New Year's Eve jam was awesome.  By now you've seen the pictures.  Everyone said they'd come, but only JT (the drummer) and I ended up going.  John was still fighting off the flu, and Steve didn't get home until 11:30 pm, at which point he just wasn't up to it.  He's currently paying the bills driving an 18-wheeler and had just gotten in from Ohio.  I don't blame him.

We finally auditioned Anne yesterday!  She was great.  Not perfect, since she's still getting over that bronchial infection or whatever it was, but already a step up from Karen.  We were a little rusty too, having not played since July other than auditioning Tony the bassist, so it was interesting.  Anne had her friend Joe with her for moral support and to help assess things.  He said that he could tell we were a bit rusty, but still a lot better than Anne's current band.  As always, JT and I were the best-prepared.  We had our parts down.  John honestly is probably the weakest link, but it's his band, and Steve and Tony admitted that they had worked on the songs but not that seriously, since they didn't really think the audition would ever happen.  Great attitude, guys.  I learned the fucking songs two months ago when we were gonna audition her the first time.

Anyway, we voted, and have offered Anne the job.  If we've gone through all this and she doesn't join our band, I will actually be pissed.  I don't even care if she also stays with her other band.  Heck, we're just a part-time band anyway, and don't have any gigs.  We're still trying to put our set list together (though it hasn't helped that the band went on hiatus in July, then two key members quit three days before we were to start working up our third set).  But we told her that we're willing to make her the front person, give her final say in all song choices, and build our set list and show around her.  Honestly, I can't imagine someone turning that down, but what do I know?

So now we wait.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2015, 08:14:01 AM
Good luck, buddy.  There's nothing worse than being a musician and not being able to play.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: 1neeto on January 16, 2015, 04:20:47 PM
Hey guys, I'm pretty much a beginner guitarist considering I've been playing for only 3 years. But loving it so far! I also like to write my own stuff every now and then. Here's something I just started working on while noodling around my JP70 I got for Christmas! Feedback, good and bad highly appreciated. Also feel free to check the rest of the brain farts I dumped in there. :)

https://soundcloud.com/1neeto/teaser
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 18, 2015, 11:03:02 PM
We have a new singer!  Anne has accepted the position.  We are now sporting a full lineup for the first time in months.  Time to get crackin' on some songs.

Anne has already taken it upon herself to get the party started, and sent out a list of five songs that she really wants to do.  This is fine, by the way, as John has encouraged her to speak up about what songs she wants to do, something our previous singer never did.  Two of the songs are the ones we learned for her audition, so no problem.  The others, no problem.  She also had a "wish list" of another dozen or so songs she'd like us to consider.  See, now this is progress.  Instead of us all sitting around going "What songs should we learn next?" she's got a bunch in mind.  Some of them won't work, some aren't exactly our style, but it's still better to have a bunch of stuff to choose from than to have nothing.  We literally begged Karen to name songs she wanted to do, and she never did.  She ultimately contributed very little to the band, and it's sad because she's the reason I joined.  She's the only one I knew before; I didn't want to just join a band of strangers.  I'm not that desperate to rock and roll.  But now I'm kinda glad she left.  I've gotten to know the guys, and damn, we keep losing members, but replacing them with upgrades.

Anyway, John sent out an email summarizing where we are now, and the three things we need to do.  We need to decide which songs from the previous set list should be kept, we need to decide on new songs to feature our new singer, and we need to decide on a rehearsal time.  So we have some more administrivia to deal with, but we're making progress.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2015, 08:53:51 AM
Moving forward is preferable to standing still.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 19, 2015, 11:20:43 AM
Definitely.  Also, a lot of the newer songs have synthesizer(s) on them, so I'll be breaking out the Prophet-5.  Thus far, I've been covering everything with piano and/or Hammond patches, and occassional strings and/or horns, on my Yamaha.  I'll bring the Prophet, but only if we actually need it.  I ain't a kid anymore, and it's not about showing off the rig.  The thing weighs 40 pounds and is an extra trip to/from the car and up/down the stairs by itself.  Hardwood and metal, the way they used to make keyboards.  I mean, my 10-pound Yamaha sounds great and is fine for what we've done so far, but it looks like we're going to step it up a notch.

I'm ready.  I sent John an email reminding him that I've got a poly analog synth and I know how to use it.  I only ask that when deciding on tunes to rehearse, that he group them together.  If I'm going to haul the thing and set it up, I'd rather we work on two or three songs with synths.  It's kinda not worth it to practice one song.  Kinda the same as with the sax.  I'll bring it, but let's practice two or three songs with sax at the same rehearsal.  The sax and stand aren't heavy, but together they're an extra trip because I can't carry them plus the piano and amp, so again I'd rather practice two or three songs with it, or none at all.

So it's kinda like the 80's all over again.  I'm still trying to figure out if that's good or bad.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2015, 07:08:02 PM
So it's kinda like the 80's all over again.  I'm still trying to figure out if that's good or bad.

Clearly it's a good thing.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 19, 2015, 09:13:10 PM
As long as we don't have to wear Spandex.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 22, 2015, 08:28:00 AM
As long as we don't have to wear Spandex.
What about parachute pants?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 22, 2015, 11:27:37 AM
Nope, gonna pass on that, too.

I thought rock was getting downright stupid for a while with the makeup and hairspray, and I don't know if it was grunge or whatever the subgenre was, but I'm damned glad that they brought back jeans and T-shirts and other normal clothes on stage.

I know some people like glam metal or hair metal or whatever you call it, but come on.  This is not what rock and roll looks like to me (yes, that's four dudes):

(https://www.theglamnationnetwork.com/uploads/1/3/1/2/13123626/8210803_orig.jpg)


This is what rock and roll looks like to me:

(https://spraguehs.com/students10/lowe_jordan/web1/fav-bands/Media/pearl-jam-live.jpg)


If any of the guys in your band are wearing lipstick or feather boas, seriously, just get the fuck out.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 22, 2015, 11:37:42 AM
I submit the following bitchin' 80's music video as evidence to the contrary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BVnQMiFFw

100 internets to anybody who accurately guessed the song prior to clicking.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 22, 2015, 11:42:58 AM
A lot of 80's music sounds good to my ears.  My wife made a mix CD once (back when people did such things) simply called "Hair Metal" and I was surprised to find myself rocking out to it in the car with her.

But I just can't watch it.  Sorry, Coz, and I actually thought of you while writing what I did above because I know you're partial to 80's metal, but man, that shit's just painful to watch.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 22, 2015, 11:47:45 AM
I get it, honestly.  It IS completely over the top.  And in some instances, even I can agree that it's a little cringe-worthy, albeit not very often.  :lol

That's just part of what I have always loved about it.  EVERYTHING was over the top back then.  The hair.  The outfits.  The neon.  The women.  The guitar solos.  The alcohol.  The partying.  The endless nailing of groupies.  It was about reveling in the here and now and enjoying every second of it.

Not that there isn't other less obvious music that celebrates enjoying life and such, but for some reason, the excess of it all just connects with me.  I don't know why, it just makes me happy.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 22, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
Happiness counts for a lot.

But a lot of it I find kind of silly now.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 22, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Okay, that's a fair point, Coz.  Rock and roll is about letting loose and just doing whatever the fuck you want, to as extreme a degree as you can handle.  The fashion thing is a part of that, and it eventually got out of hand, but it's a self-correcting system.  Eventually everything goes too far, implodes, and we're back to jeans and T-shirts.

Something else I thought of.  All the glam and hair could well have been started by this:

(https://www.flushthefashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/rush.jpg)

I thought that look was cool as hell.  And in 1976 it was.  But bands kept pushing the limits, and eventually you have glitter eye shadow and lipstick on dudes.  Shit like that.

In 1982, we were playing a venue with chandeliers hanging from the ceiling and blue carpeting on the walls, and our guitarist Pete got hit on by some guy.  Like, seriously hit on during the breaks.  I was unaware of any of this, but it was later that week that Pete announced that we were ditching the spandex and hairspray.  I'm pretty sure those two events are connected.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 22, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
:rollin
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 22, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
That second band pic just looks like a bunch of teenagers walked out of their parent's garage mistakenly onto a stage. Put some effort in. That's not what rock looks like. That's what it looked like after the rockpocalypse.
And is that first pic Poison? Come on, they're not a great example of anything. :lol But rock is all about excess and standing out from the crowd.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2015, 07:54:52 PM
Green pointy guitars & headless basses :puke:

The 80s were diabolical.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 22, 2015, 08:10:50 PM
That second band pic just looks like a bunch of teenagers walked out of their parent's garage mistakenly onto a stage. Put some effort in. That's not what rock looks like. That's what it looked like after the rockpocalypse.
And is that first pic Poison? Come on, they're not a great example of anything. :lol But rock is all about excess and standing out from the crowd.

You complete me.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: 1neeto on January 22, 2015, 09:30:13 PM
Even our heroes were not immune to that dreadful look.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Dream_1989.jpg)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 22, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
There's nothing dreadful there at all. They're just wearing black. They don't look any better now.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 22, 2015, 10:03:49 PM
There's nothing dreadful there at all. They're just wearing black. They don't look any better now.

Yeah nowhere near as bad but that hair!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 02:09:32 AM
I submit the following bitchin' 80's music video as evidence to the contrary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BVnQMiFFw

100 internets to anybody who accurately guessed the song prior to clicking.

Guessed it, but I'll leave it at that in case somebody else wants to play
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 02:25:03 AM
In 1982, we were playing a venue with chandeliers hanging from the ceiling and blue carpeting on the walls, and our guitarist Pete got hit on by some guy.  Like, seriously hit on during the breaks.  I was unaware of any of this, but it was later that week that Pete announced that we were ditching the spandex and hairspray.  I'm pretty sure those two events are connected.
You don't need spandex and hair spray to get hit on by a guy.  Maybe his vibe was just so sexy that everybody fell in love with him .... everybody.  Are you telling us the whole story?   :laugh:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 23, 2015, 06:49:23 AM
I submit the following bitchin' 80's music video as evidence to the contrary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BVnQMiFFw

100 internets to anybody who accurately guessed the song prior to clicking.

Guessed it, but I'll leave it at that in case somebody else wants to play

I am thoroughly impressed.  :clap:  Awesome.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 08:02:51 AM
Guessed it, but I'll leave it at that in case somebody else wants to play

I am thoroughly impressed.  :clap:  Awesome.
Well, we just had the trip down memory lane in the album a year thread. And that group definitely looked like they would produce incredibly generic music of the time.  It probably kept them from breaking out properly.

Now where do I collect my 100 internets? 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 23, 2015, 08:49:36 AM
In 1982, we were playing a venue with chandeliers hanging from the ceiling and blue carpeting on the walls, and our guitarist Pete got hit on by some guy.  Like, seriously hit on during the breaks.  I was unaware of any of this, but it was later that week that Pete announced that we were ditching the spandex and hairspray.  I'm pretty sure those two events are connected.
You don't need spandex and hair spray to get hit on by a guy.  Maybe his vibe was just so sexy that everybody fell in love with him .... everybody.  Are you telling us the whole story?   :laugh:

Well, he's a good-looking Italian guy, good singer, and an excellent guitarist.  In general, he got at least 50% of the attention from all fans, so I guess the odds just favored someone from the other team coming after him at some point.  But this was the 80's, the age of homophobia, so it made him pretty uncomfortable even thinking that he "looked gay".  If it happened today, I'd be like Hey, we're adding a whole 'nother side to the fan base, bring it on.  But then, we wouldn't be wearing spandex today.

That second band pic just looks like a bunch of teenagers walked out of their parent's garage mistakenly onto a stage. Put some effort in. That's not what rock looks like. That's what it looked like after the rockpocalypse.
And is that first pic Poison? Come on, they're not a great example of anything. :lol But rock is all about excess and standing out from the crowd.

Rock is also about whatever you want it to be about.  Yes, the first pic is Poison, and this isn't even their worst offender.  The cover of Look What the Cat Dragged In wins that award.  I was gonna use that as my example, but didn't couldn't find a copy of the picture without the words.

When Pearl Jam came on the scene, I wasn't all ga-ga about the grunge sound, but at the very least, we were back to normal clothes and male singers who sounded male.  Hey, I love a good tenor voice singing rock and rock.  Brad Delp, Rik Emmett, and others had some great voices.  But they stood out because they were unique, and by the end of the 80's, every rock song was by guys with those high piercing voices.  And I can't sing along with them!  So the return to "real" rock and roll to me was quite welcome.

I played in garage bands for years.  I play in a basement band now.  We show up in whatever we're wearing and rock.  We play gigs dressed maybe half a notch better.  Jeans, but maybe a nicer shirt.  50-year-old dudes just look like slobs wearing T-shirts to gigs.  I like that the "effort" has shifted back to the music and musicianship and away from the fashion budget.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2015, 09:11:34 AM
The '80s had the musicianship and the looks, and it all got stripped back with grunge, both visually and musically, and I find it all incredibly dull. Of course I couldn't care less what a band looks like when I'm listening to the music, but the grunge/alt era has zero appeal to me on any level, even musically.
Musicianship and presentation are not mutually exclusive goals at any rate. If you've got the music down, it's not affecting anything to at least dress like you belong on a stage, instead of in a garage. With no offense intended, if a band dresses like a bunch of 50 year old dudes, they're very likely doing something wrong. :lol

Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 23, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Guessed it, but I'll leave it at that in case somebody else wants to play

I am thoroughly impressed.  :clap:  Awesome.
Well, we just had the trip down memory lane in the album a year thread. And that group definitely looked like they would produce incredibly generic music of the time.  It probably kept them from breaking out properly.

Now where do I collect my 100 internets? 

Just make 100 copies of this:

(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/034/706/winternet.jpg?1318992465)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 09:58:15 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 23, 2015, 10:54:17 AM
The '80s had the musicianship and the looks, and it all got stripped back with grunge, both visually and musically, and I find it all incredibly dull. Of course I couldn't care less what a band looks like when I'm listening to the music, but the grunge/alt era has zero appeal to me on any level, even musically.
Musicianship and presentation are not mutually exclusive goals at any rate. If you've got the music down, it's not affecting anything to at least dress like you belong on a stage, instead of in a garage. With no offense intended, if a band dresses like a bunch of 50 year old dudes, they're very likely doing something wrong. :lol

We're just going to have to disagree on that one, then.  I find most 80's music to be dull and lifeless.  Yeah, there's some nice arranging going on, and it all sounds great, but that's all it is.  Over-produced, slickly arranged product that sounds wonderful but has no heart or soul.  I don't find any emphasis on musicianship at all, just guys trying to sound good.  You don't have to be a good musician to sound good, you just need expensive equipment and an expensive producer, and that's what the 80's were full of.

Grunge reminded me of a return to 70's sound.  Strip away all the flashy synths and overproduction and get back to basics.  I guess if you grew up with 80's music, it would seem pretty dull by comparison, but I'd rather hear what the guys are playing, not what it sounds like after going through a million dollars' worth of electronic enhancement.  Grunge sounds like live music to me.  80's music sounds like studio product.


As for dressing like 50-year-old dudes, I don't even know what that means.  These guys

(https://cbswncx2.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/rush.jpg)

seem to be doing pretty well dressing like 50-year-old dudes.  If they still dressed like this

(https://www.flushthefashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/rush.jpg)

then that would be stupid.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 11:07:50 AM
I'm so glad I love 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and 10s music.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: 1neeto on January 23, 2015, 12:15:58 PM
The '80s had the musicianship and the looks, and it all got stripped back with grunge, both visually and musically, and I find it all incredibly dull. Of course I couldn't care less what a band looks like when I'm listening to the music, but the grunge/alt era has zero appeal to me on any level, even musically.
Musicianship and presentation are not mutually exclusive goals at any rate. If you've got the music down, it's not affecting anything to at least dress like you belong on a stage, instead of in a garage. With no offense intended, if a band dresses like a bunch of 50 year old dudes, they're very likely doing something wrong. :lol

Seems like you're categorizing the grunge musicianship into one band; Nirvana. Pearl Jam has Mike McCready which is an amazing and often underrated guitar player. Soundgarden played with song structuring often reserved to prog rock. Alice in Chains has Jerry Cantrell who is yet another underrated guitar player. Yes the flamboyant guitar solos with the overuse of Floyd Rose dive bombs were gone, but to say that musicianship died in the 90's is ridiculous.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on January 23, 2015, 12:24:10 PM
Agreed ^
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 23, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
The '80s had the musicianship and the looks, and it all got stripped back with grunge, both visually and musically, and I find it all incredibly dull. Of course I couldn't care less what a band looks like when I'm listening to the music, but the grunge/alt era has zero appeal to me on any level, even musically.
Musicianship and presentation are not mutually exclusive goals at any rate. If you've got the music down, it's not affecting anything to at least dress like you belong on a stage, instead of in a garage. With no offense intended, if a band dresses like a bunch of 50 year old dudes, they're very likely doing something wrong. :lol

Seems like you're categorizing the grunge musicianship into one band; Nirvana. Pearl Jam has Mike McCready which is an amazing and often underrated guitar player. Soundgarden played with song structuring often reserved to prog rock. Alice in Chains has Jerry Cantrell who is yet another underrated guitar player. Yes the flamboyant guitar solos with the overuse of Floyd Rose dive bombs were gone, but to say that musicianship died in the 90's is ridiculous.

The musicianship may not have died, but its intensity went from about a 4-alarm skyscraper fire to a backyard bonfire, IMO.  The things that made 80's music great were often looked down upon in the 90's - technical guitar expertise, guitar solos, upbeat songs about drinking, partying, and fucking lots of groupies, etc.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 23, 2015, 06:25:41 PM
The '80s had the musicianship and the looks, and it all got stripped back with grunge, both visually and musically, and I find it all incredibly dull. Of course I couldn't care less what a band looks like when I'm listening to the music, but the grunge/alt era has zero appeal to me on any level, even musically.
Musicianship and presentation are not mutually exclusive goals at any rate. If you've got the music down, it's not affecting anything to at least dress like you belong on a stage, instead of in a garage. With no offense intended, if a band dresses like a bunch of 50 year old dudes, they're very likely doing something wrong. :lol

Seems like you're categorizing the grunge musicianship into one band; Nirvana. Pearl Jam has Mike McCready which is an amazing and often underrated guitar player. Soundgarden played with song structuring often reserved to prog rock. Alice in Chains has Jerry Cantrell who is yet another underrated guitar player. Yes the flamboyant guitar solos with the overuse of Floyd Rose dive bombs were gone, but to say that musicianship died in the 90's is ridiculous.

The musicianship may not have died, but its intensity went from about a 4-alarm skyscraper fire to a backyard bonfire, IMO.  The things that made 80's music great were often looked down upon in the 90's - technical guitar expertise, guitar solos, upbeat songs about drinking, partying, and fucking lots of groupies, etc.

You mean the ridiculousness died out. Well I'm glad that it did. 90's bands played with their own way of intensity without the ridiculous outfits and eyeliner. There's nothing much to defend about 80's hair metal other than the glorification of the electric guitar, it was if anything an embarrassment to rock music. The previous decade was a whole lot better, and the following decade things started to go back to normal. 50 years from now people will still find Nirvana to be a cool band, can't really say the same for Poison or Cinderella or Skid Row.
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Post by: PuffyPat on January 23, 2015, 09:46:32 PM
Nirvana were great musicians. Sure, Kurt's guitar playing is wildly overblown, but he was still a pretty good guitar player, not to mention his song writing was incredible. Nobody ever talks about Krist, but he was a super solid bass player, and of course Dave Grohl is just a beast of a drummer. I'd take Nirvana over any 80s hair metal band 10 times out of 10.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 23, 2015, 09:53:53 PM
I'm not sure I'd take Nirvana over the flu.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2015, 09:59:27 PM
Likewise. I'd take the flu over any grunge band 10 times out of 10. At least you can recover from the flu in a few days. Rock music is still feeling under the weather after being infected with grunge over 20 years ago.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 11:09:32 PM
50 years from now people will still find Nirvana to be a cool band, can't really say the same for Poison or Cinderella or Skid Row.

I still find Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Foo Fighters much better than Nirvana.  Nirvana never really did it for me.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2015, 11:21:48 PM
:rollin I didn't even see that comment by 1neeto. But I guess it helps when you die and get overrated to unwarranted legend status.

Speaking of which, I'd take Warrant over Nirvana any day too. :biggrin: Not to mention all of the other great '80s bands that have and will continue to endure for decades to come. But people here only seem to mention Poison. It says a lot that even the bad hair metal is still that well known even to people completely ignorant of it! I don't think I could even name 5 grunge bands.

While I'm not into them, I could easier listen to AiC or Soundgarden than Nirvana though. And Chris Cornell sang my favourite Bond theme, so he gets a few points there.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 11:56:51 PM
I was into Soundgarden well before this song, but this is the song that made them a long term favorite
Jesus Christ Pose (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn5OIo4FuPc)
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2015, 12:08:01 AM
Musically I found that a bit monotonous and not too interesting, but I enjoyed the vocals, and I have respect for the band and the music. Still feeling the '80s influence on the vocals, much like how you can still hear the influence on the vocals on Pantera's Cowboy's From Hell. I could easily listen to this over Nirvana.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 24, 2015, 02:53:08 AM
50 years from now people will still find Nirvana to be a cool band, can't really say the same for Poison or Cinderella or Skid Row.

I still find Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Foo Fighters much better than Nirvana.  Nirvana never really did it for me.
Same here.  I have no use for Nirvana, never did, but there is a lot to like about Soundgarden, and Alice In Chains was a favorite from Day 1.

I am a recent convert to Foo Fighters, but they are amazing, much better than Nirvana ever was.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 24, 2015, 11:37:45 AM
:rollin I didn't even see that comment by 1neeto. But I guess it helps when you die and get overrated to unwarranted legend status.

Speaking of which, I'd take Warrant over Nirvana any day too. :biggrin: Not to mention all of the other great '80s bands that have and will continue to endure for decades to come. But people here only seem to mention Poison. It says a lot that even the bad hair metal is still that well known even to people completely ignorant of it! I don't think I could even name 5 grunge bands.

While I'm not into them, I could easier listen to AiC or Soundgarden than Nirvana though. And Chris Cornell sang my favourite Bond theme, so he gets a few points there.

*sets watch*

I dig Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, The Offspring, Green Day.  That's mostly about as far as it goes, though.
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Post by: PuffyPat on January 24, 2015, 12:18:41 PM
But I guess it helps when you die and get overrated to unwarranted legend status.

Nirvana weren't influential because Kurt Cobain killed himself. Nirvana were influential because people were sick and tired of dudes with big hair and make up in spandex playing 10 minute guitar solos, and singing about banging 34 groupies every night. They were a breath of fresh air in an industry that was clogged with the excess of the 80s. They were playing simple, but meaningful songs that more people could relate to, and writing them off because Kurt committed suicide is ridiculous.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 24, 2015, 01:45:52 PM
playing 10 minute guitar solos

Spoken like someone who has all the "I hate 80's music" attitude, but without being informed enough to use actual facts.  10 minute guitar solos are something you maybe hear in prog (I don't know as I cannot speak from experience), but certainly not 80's music.  An average hair metal guitar solo is probably anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds.  There might be an extended live solo, but Dream Theater did that for a very very long time also.  Oh noes, excessive!

I agree Nirvana weren't influential because Kurt killed himself (though that undoubtedly helped their popularity carry on a lot further than it might have).  Nirvana were influential for making it cool to not care about playing your guitar well.  That's my opinion, but saying that simple guitar playing and simple songs are more relatable to people is BS.  That would mean that nobody could relate to Dream Theater (to be fair, anymore, I can't relate to them).  I don't imagine you'd agree that DT, despite their complexity, is relatable to people.
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Post by: Orbert on January 24, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
I think it was just time for a change.  The music video forever melded music and fashion to a much greater degree than ever before, so the 80's were a unique time.  Trends in music and fashion come and go; some reach great heights and popularity, others do not, but eventually they all pass.  The 80's really took it to an extreme, and when it was time for a change, grunge was there.  I don't know if the simpler structure was more relatable or what, but it was different, and oftentimes just being different is what catches people's attention.
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Post by: PuffyPat on January 24, 2015, 02:30:42 PM
playing 10 minute guitar solos

Spoken like someone who has all the "I hate 80's music" attitude, but without being informed enough to use actual facts.  10 minute guitar solos are something you maybe hear in prog (I don't know as I cannot speak from experience), but certainly not 80's music.  An average hair metal guitar solo is probably anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds.  There might be an extended live solo, but Dream Theater did that for a very very long time also.  Oh noes, excessive!

I agree Nirvana weren't influential because Kurt killed himself (though that undoubtedly helped their popularity carry on a lot further than it might have).  Nirvana were influential for making it cool to not care about playing your guitar well.  That's my opinion, but saying that simple guitar playing and simple songs are more relatable to people is BS.  That would mean that nobody could relate to Dream Theater (to be fair, anymore, I can't relate to them).  I don't imagine you'd agree that DT, despite their complexity, is relatable to people.

I will admit the 10 minute guitar solo thing was a bit out there, but hyperbole is a thing, but that's besides the point. Anyways, I wasn't saying the simplicity was what people were relating to. The content was what people were relating to. The songs weren't about the excess, but there was a more personal nature to them that a broader audience found they could relate to.

Also, I love music from the 80s, just not hair metal. And I also don't listen to prog anymore because of the excessive self indulgence. It's just not my thing anymore.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 24, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
I will most certainly applaud you for that! :lol
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Post by: JayOctavarium on January 24, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
This thread hurts my head.


You are all lesser than I because prog
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Post by: Orbert on January 24, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
It's a chat thread.  By its very nature, it's supposed to go all over the place.  It got a bit one-dimensional there for a while (which is partly my fault, although I only have a few subjects I can chat about) so this is good.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2015, 09:20:37 PM
playing 10 minute guitar solos

Spoken like someone who has all the "I hate 80's music" attitude, but without being informed enough to use actual facts.  10 minute guitar solos are something you maybe hear in prog (I don't know as I cannot speak from experience), but certainly not 80's music.  An average hair metal guitar solo is probably anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds.  There might be an extended live solo, but Dream Theater did that for a very very long time also.  Oh noes, excessive!

I agree Nirvana weren't influential because Kurt killed himself (though that undoubtedly helped their popularity carry on a lot further than it might have).  Nirvana were influential for making it cool to not care about playing your guitar well.  That's my opinion, but saying that simple guitar playing and simple songs are more relatable to people is BS.  That would mean that nobody could relate to Dream Theater (to be fair, anymore, I can't relate to them).  I don't imagine you'd agree that DT, despite their complexity, is relatable to people.

The ignorance and narrow mindedness about '80s music here is really sad sometimes, given how open minded people claim to be. Most '80s bands were all about writing short accessible songs, with maybe a little bit of flash in the solo to stand out, but the more popular ones were the tasteful and melodic ones. The bands like Nitro weren't the ones that made it to the top. And then people criticize hair metal for being simple. You can't win!
Hair metal wasn't all about partying and screwing by any stretch either. There were lots off equally relatable songs about the common stuff like relationships, life, hardship, etc.

Grunge was just the next fad, and record companies were only too happy to jump on the bandwagon and exploit it. Grunge didn't kill off hair metal, it barely even competed against it. There was very little overlap, and you can look up any hair metal band and the story is the same. The record companies only wanted their grunge, so unless you wanted to conform to the latest craze, you were essentially rock-blocked. The few bands that did release albums during the '90s sounded nothing like their '80s selves, and weren't suited to writing that music, so they all split up. There was no war, just a changing of the guard.

Grunge wasn't some rebellious movement that killed off hair metal. It was just the latest trend in popular music, just like the hair metal that preceded it, successfully pushed onto a new generation of kids via MTV.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2015, 01:58:08 PM
Hair metal wasn't all about partying and screwing by any stretch either.
Come on, 90-95% of it was. Don't bullshit me, I lived through it.  Hell, I had Roxy Blue's Want Some? on cassette, baby.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 25, 2015, 03:24:29 PM
I'm not glorifying nirvana in any way shape or form. I'm just stating the fact that they were very influential and changed everything in the early 90's. And their music however "inferior" it is, will live on unlike most of the hair metal from the 80's which will be forgotten sans a few songs. I personally don't like Nirvana all that much, I was more of a Soundgarden, AIC and Pearl Jam kind of guy. Hell, here's a pic of my phone's iPod list in between the M and N, notice there's no Nirvana there.

(https://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j277/TTsixxer/061BE9BD-387A-463A-826B-17894D9CFE9B_zpsifanitbc.png) (https://s82.photobucket.com/user/TTsixxer/media/061BE9BD-387A-463A-826B-17894D9CFE9B_zpsifanitbc.png.html)
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 25, 2015, 05:35:25 PM
Q: Is the grunge side better?

A: Faster.  Easier to tap into negative emotion it is. 

But beware the grunge side.  Angst, complain, apathy; the grunge side of Music are they.  Easily they flow, quick to join you in lament.  If once you start down the grunge path, forever will it dominate you it will, as it did the Melvin's apprentice.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 25, 2015, 05:48:27 PM
As far as the metal of the 80s?  It was essentially hard rock in 1980.  By 1989, you had Dream Theater, Slayer, Faith No More, Johnson/Vai/Satriani and NIN's Pretty Hate Machine.

Quite a bit of variety took place in the guitar centric world in that decade.  The hair bands were just the "crossover" artists.

Now apologize for Limp Bizkit, Hootie, Hanson, Creed and White Zombie.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 25, 2015, 07:51:16 PM
I'm not glorifying nirvana in any way shape or form. I'm just stating the fact that they were very influential and changed everything in the early 90's. And their music however "inferior" it is, will live on unlike most of the hair metal from the 80's which will be forgotten sans a few songs.

That's biased BS. A ton of it has already endured better than Nirvana, and will continue to endure as long as anything Nirvana ever did without a doubt.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 25, 2015, 07:57:53 PM
I think both hair metal and grunge had a few really great bands whose influence will last, and then a bunch of copies who no one remembers now, kinda like most trends in music I guess.

Though I'd probably tend more towards grunge, myself. Still, I like some hair metal. And some 80s pop I like quite a bit also.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 25, 2015, 09:22:01 PM
Just exactly what bands were influenced by Nirvana?  Mixing up Seattle and Nirvana?  Sonic Youth and Melvins came out before Nirvana.
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Post by: PuffyPat on January 25, 2015, 09:26:26 PM
It's not even about what bands they influenced. Because of their mainstream success, it opened up the industry for pretty much the entire alt-rock boom in the 90s.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 25, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
It's not even about what bands they influenced. Because of their mainstream success, it opened up the industry for pretty much the entire alt-rock boom in the 90s.
Ok.  Now we are getting somewhere.  Poison didn't influence anybody. Hanoi Rocks / Motley Crue (look) and Van Halen (Everybody Want Some lyrics).  Bands like Poison, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard just opened up the flood gates for guitar distortion (as opposed to guitar overdrive).

 I specifically recall a friend telling me right before Metallica's One was out "You like Metallica?  I can kind of understand Def Leppard, but Metallica?  That's just noise."  He liked Paula Abdul, Information Society and Bobbie Brown (the stuff that was really at the top of the charts).  Of course when Metallica's Black album came out, he swore he was always into them.

BTW, they were into Nirvana as well.  Because it was Pop 40.

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Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2015, 01:37:17 AM
I think Orbert won this thread with the top post. 

Grunge definitely feels to me like a return to 'honest' music after the excess of the 80s. 

I'm not glorifying nirvana in any way shape or form. I'm just stating the fact that they were very influential and changed everything in the early 90's. And their music however "inferior" it is, will live on unlike most of the hair metal from the 80's which will be forgotten sans a few songs.

That's biased BS. A ton of it has already endured better than Nirvana, and will continue to endure as long as anything Nirvana ever did without a doubt.

I love how you call him out on his bias whilst clearly displaying your own :lol Both genres are bound to have an influence on lots of people, to say one is more influential than the other is like comparing apples and oranges.     
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 26, 2015, 03:55:03 AM
I'm not glorifying nirvana in any way shape or form. I'm just stating the fact that they were very influential and changed everything in the early 90's. And their music however "inferior" it is, will live on unlike most of the hair metal from the 80's which will be forgotten sans a few songs.

That's biased BS. A ton of it has already endured better than Nirvana, and will continue to endure as long as anything Nirvana ever did without a doubt.

This. I think Nirvana's influence is always grossly overstated. They might have had some influence but nowhere to the excess that people give them.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 04:15:39 AM
I think Orbert won this thread with the top post. 

Grunge definitely feels to me like a return to 'honest' music after the excess of the 80s. 

I'm not glorifying nirvana in any way shape or form. I'm just stating the fact that they were very influential and changed everything in the early 90's. And their music however "inferior" it is, will live on unlike most of the hair metal from the 80's which will be forgotten sans a few songs.

That's biased BS. A ton of it has already endured better than Nirvana, and will continue to endure as long as anything Nirvana ever did without a doubt.

I love how you call him out on his bias whilst clearly displaying your own :lol Both genres are bound to have an influence on lots of people, to say one is more influential than the other is like comparing apples and oranges.     

I'm not downplaying Nirvana to the level 1neeto has tried to do with hair metal.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2015, 10:01:15 AM
I think the truth of the matter is closer to 1neeto than to you, Blob.

Nirvana's place in music history is assured.  People take them seriously and respect them, even if they don't like them all that much.

No one now gives much credit to the hair metal bands (even if they should), except for the statistical outliers like you, Coz, and a few others.  Sure, there is a dedicated audience, but it is relatively small.

There was some great music made by hair metal bands (I like a lot of it), but it was typical 80's, as with everything else that decade: style over substance, image is everything.  I feel like the really great songs that were produced were almost by accident.

Just my two cents.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 26, 2015, 10:25:35 AM
I don't know that I'd really say the audience for hair metal is relatively small, really.  You'd be surprised how many people still love it.  Although, obviously not here.  A glance at the first page of GMD makes it painfully obvious that this isn't a place to go for hair metal.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2015, 11:01:04 AM
I don't know that I'd really say the audience for hair metal is relatively small, really.  You'd be surprised how many people still love it.  Although, obviously not here.  A glance at the first page of GMD makes it painfully obvious that this isn't a place to go for hair metal.
I'm not talking about here.  This place is a relatively small sample size no matter WHAT we're talking about.

Except Aussies who don't go outside.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 26, 2015, 11:22:24 AM
:lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
*cues Tyketto*
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 26, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Just listened to Tyketto's first two albums last week.  Good stuff.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2015, 12:17:14 PM
Just listened to Tyketto's first two albums last week.  Good stuff.
I like the first one a lot.  I never thought they got the acclaim they should have.  I make fun of hair metal sometimes, but I liked that band.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 26, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
They're going to be at M3 this year, so I was catching myself up.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
They're going to be at M3 this year, so I was catching myself up.
Is that a festival for one-time hair metal bands?
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 26, 2015, 01:21:10 PM
Lots of bands of that ilk.  This will be like my 6th year in a row, going.  Here's this year's lineup:

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10922630_10203440141947649_2363037329003358446_n.jpg?oh=459dd8851f49f1a5ffe5f05e5cd8a4fd&oe=552B284D)
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Post by: JayOctavarium on January 26, 2015, 01:28:40 PM
Lol Winery Dogs
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2015, 02:03:07 PM
Lol Winery Dogs
TBH, that's probably my favorite band from that poster.

I would attend something like that if I won tickets, but I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to pay for tickets.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 26, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
It's not one of the better lineups they've had, but it'll be a good time. We get lawn seats and roam back and forth from our seats where you can see the screens for the main stage, and the Festival stage that you can walk right up to. Back to back bands on alternating stages from 11-11 Saturday. And like 6-11 on Friday.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
I don't know that I'd really say the audience for hair metal is relatively small, really.  You'd be surprised how many people still love it.  Although, obviously not here.  A glance at the first page of GMD makes it painfully obvious that this isn't a place to go for hair metal.

I hear hair metal everywhere, on TV, in movies, it still gets big exposure given how old it is, and a lot of people are still into it, and a whole wave of new bands have popped up in the past decade influenced by that music. You'd have to be living under a prog rock to ignore it. I very rarely hear grunge music anywhere these days though.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 26, 2015, 08:52:49 PM
"living under a prog rock" is my new favorite phrase.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 09:23:57 PM
:lol I must say, I'm proud of that one.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 27, 2015, 07:43:48 AM
:clap:
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 28, 2015, 09:12:46 AM
Lots of bands of that ilk.  This will be like my 6th year in a row, going.  Here's this year's lineup:

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10922630_10203440141947649_2363037329003358446_n.jpg?oh=459dd8851f49f1a5ffe5f05e5cd8a4fd&oe=552B284D)

A few good ones there.  The rest probably have some bills they're behind on.   ;)

I've seen Tyketto about a dozen times. They were such a good band though I never really referred to them as a hair band.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 28, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Here are the lineups for the years I've been:

(https://i.imgur.com/4LqUP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2ICN0.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/uVRCz.jpg)(https://m3rock.webs.com/M3_Admat_2013_R2-2.jpg)(https://m3rock.webs.com/M3_Admat_2014.jpg)

I missed the first year.  Every year has had its specific highlights.  2010 = ZO2, Nelson (with Mark Slaughter on rhythm guitars and backing vocals), and Cinderella.  2011 = Mr. Big back together and Big Noize (supergroup with Joe Lynn Turner on vocals).  2012 = EzN and Night Ranger back to back.  Also Stryper.  2013 = King's X and Steel Panther.  2014 = La Torre fronted Queensryche and Tesla headlining.

We always get lawn seats.  From there, you can see the screens that display the goings-on on the main stage, then you can walk over and right up to the Festival Stage.  Saturdays are basically 11-11 bands back and forth on each stage.  It's great just getting to wander around, people watch (my good friend Mark referred to M3 as "A festival of rack"), and listen to music all day.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 28, 2015, 11:15:59 AM
I'm sure that it's 10 tons of fun.

lol I never thought of Tesla as a hair metal band.  But I guess they could be construed that way.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 28, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
I'm sure that it's 10 tons of fun.

lol I never thought of Tesla as a hair metal band.  But I guess they could be construed that way.

I never thought of them as metal at all, let alone hair metal.  I know why people do it though.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 28, 2015, 11:44:46 AM
I think the truth of the matter is closer to 1neeto than to you, Blob.

Nirvana's place in music history is assured.  People take them seriously and respect them, even if they don't like them all that much.

No one now gives much credit to the hair metal bands (even if they should), except for the statistical outliers like you, Coz, and a few others.  Sure, there is a dedicated audience, but it is relatively small.

There was some great music made by hair metal bands (I like a lot of it), but it was typical 80's, as with everything else that decade: style over substance, image is everything.  I feel like the really great songs that were produced were almost by accident.

Just my two cents.

Thank you. That is exactly my point. There are a lot of great hair metal songs, but many will be forgotten because the image style looks absolutely ridiculous nowadays. Hair spray and spandex will never be back. T shirts and jeans on stage will always be around. GenX will keep hair metal alive until we die off and then it will be mostly forgotten with the exception of some household name bands like Mötley Crüe and maybe Poison and Skid Row.

I know you must hate it Blob, but Nirvana is the Led Zeppelin of the 90's. I can't say the same for any 80's hair metal band.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 28, 2015, 11:46:30 AM
I don't know.  There was no Led Zeppelin of the 90s.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 28, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
Nirvana were the Led Zeppelin of the 90s?  That's just wrong.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 28, 2015, 11:56:13 AM
I'm going with REO Speedwagon of the 90's.  They had a handful of songs that your average radio listener knows, and they'll be remembered as a band that was very popular in their day, but their music may not have aged very well.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 28, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
Nirvana were the Led Zeppelin of the 90s?  That's just wrong.
Meaning as how the revolutionized the music industry during their time. Not style or talent wise. I knew that comment was gonna strike a nerve.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 28, 2015, 01:14:16 PM
Nirvana were the Led Zeppelin of the 90s?  That's just wrong.
Meaning as how the revolutionized the music industry during their time. Not style or talent wise. I knew that comment was gonna strike a nerve.

It didn't really strike a nerve as I'm not a big fan of either.  However, I don't think you can compare the influence of the two. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2015, 09:15:30 PM
Nirvana were the Led Zeppelin of the 90s?  That's just wrong.

Beyond wrong. I'm not even a big fan of Zeppelin, but they've had a huge influence on rock to this day, and you can even hear the clear influence in many of the other big classic rock acts, and many more modern ones. Nirvana's influence doesn't really extend beyond grunge. It was an isolated trend that's pretty much died off. They didn't revolutionize anything in the way that Zeppelin did. I hear more influence from other bands of the era.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 29, 2015, 01:30:26 AM
Ok I'll put it in simpler, less offending terms. It's been what, 45 years since LP changed everything? And even today people still talk about them and are still relevant. 20 years from now people will talk about Nirvana and the revolution they brought into the 90's, which is their legacy. What will people remember about Poison? The lipstick and eyeliner and maybe Every Rose Has its Thorn.

So I'll be clear once again. I'm not comparing Nirvana to LP, one can't simply do that. All I'm saying that it is very likely that Nirvana will be remembered in rock and roll history almost as much as LP is remembered today.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 29, 2015, 02:33:38 AM
Ok I'll put it in simpler, less offending terms. It's been what, 45 years since LP changed everything? And even today people still talk about them and are still relevant. 20 years from now people will talk about Nirvana and the revolution they brought into the 90's, which is their legacy. What will people remember about Poison? The lipstick and eyeliner and maybe Every Rose Has its Thorn.

So I'll be clear once again. I'm not comparing Nirvana to LP, one can't simply do that. All I'm saying that it is very likely that Nirvana will be remembered in rock and roll history almost as much as LP is remembered today.

Why do you only keep mentioning Poison? Nobody would ever argue that they're one of the better or even representative hair metal bands. It's an ignorant comparison that shows a clear bias, and/or a lack of knowledge on the subject.

And you actually are comparing Nirvana to LZ by saying that. Nirvana might be remembered, but they'll never be placed on the same level as LZ, nor do they deserve to be. Zeppelin is already remembered for a lot more than Nirvana ever was, with so many iconic rock songs that have been endlessly copied through the decades (and I'm not even much of a fan of them). I'd say all that will be remembered of Nirvana will be Teen Spirit and suicide.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 29, 2015, 03:07:26 AM
Wouldn't Van Halen be the better equivalent?  With that in mind, I think Van Halen blows Nirvana out of the water as far as long term musical relevance. 

I typed up some explanation, but this *debate* is kind of ridiculous as it is just two biases fighting one another.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 29, 2015, 02:53:41 PM
I'd say all that will be remembered of Nirvana will be Teen Spirit and suicide.
I don't like Nirvana, but this is just ridiculous.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 29, 2015, 06:20:07 PM
Wouldn't Van Halen be the better equivalent?  With that in mind, I think Van Halen blows Nirvana out of the water as far as long term musical relevance. 

I typed up some explanation, but this *debate* is kind of ridiculous as it is just two biases fighting one another.

I agree that this nothing but people who disagree with each other and nothing img will change their minds. As for EVH, I don't consider them hair metal, even though they sort of adopted the look in the 80's, to me EVH plays the EVH genre lol!

To me hair metal is the likes of Mötley Crüe, Cinderella, Poison, Skid Row, Slaughter, and the countless others that wore way too much makeup and hairspray. They all have quite a few great songs, but the image was downright embarrassing.

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Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2015, 09:56:31 PM
I'd say all that will be remembered of Nirvana will be Teen Spirit and suicide.
I don't like Nirvana, but this is just ridiculous.

It might be a harsh opinion but I agree with Blob. In the long-run that will be what people remember most.
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 29, 2015, 10:12:46 PM
but the image was downright embarrassing.

NSFW Van Halen beginning of career picture (https://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/27/31/61/6134873/3/960x540.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6a/65/99/6a65991153334c1b45657cc0728d84bf.jpg)
You were saying?

Nirvana was the first big breakout grunge band.  Not the very first, but the first with top of the charts success.  You can't compare them to the middle of the road glam bands.  You have to compare them to the beginning.  Otherwise you are cherry picking.
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Post by: 1neeto on January 30, 2015, 03:36:55 AM
I'd say all that will be remembered of Nirvana will be Teen Spirit and suicide.
I don't like Nirvana, but this is just ridiculous.

It might be a harsh opinion but I agree with Blob. In the long-run that will be what people remember most.

Yes because SLTS was their only hit.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2015, 04:13:51 AM
I could only name Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come as You Are.

And need I point out that Every Rose Has Its Thorn wasn't Poison's only hit either, so yeah..... ;)
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Post by: Calvin6s on January 30, 2015, 04:18:14 AM
 :corn
Israel and Palestine will live in complete harmony before you two come to an agreement on this  :biggrin:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 30, 2015, 11:05:34 AM
I could only name Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come as You Are.
Well, that's you

I promise you that you are wrong on the amount of impact that Nirvana had (and still have) and what they will be remembered for.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 30, 2015, 11:51:57 AM
I would prefer Nirvana be remembered for this blasphemous piece of shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazY_p71fjs

NSFW vocal near the end
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
I could only name Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come as You Are.
Well, that's you

I promise you that you are wrong on the amount of impact that Nirvana had (and still have) and what they will be remembered for.

Don't make promises you can't keep.  :-*
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Post by: 1neeto on January 30, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
but the image was downright embarrassing.

NSFW Van Halen beginning of career picture (https://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/27/31/61/6134873/3/960x540.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6a/65/99/6a65991153334c1b45657cc0728d84bf.jpg)
You were saying?

Nirvana was the first big breakout grunge band.  Not the very first, but the first with top of the charts success.  You can't compare them to the middle of the road glam bands.  You have to compare them to the beginning.  Otherwise you are cherry picking.

I'm sure DLR cringes at that picture and the whole look of the 80's hair bands.

As for Nirvana, I never said they were the first. Hell, I'm done explaining myself here.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2015, 10:21:49 PM
I'm sure DLR cringes at that picture and the whole look of the 80's hair bands.

And I'm sure you're basing this on nothing more than your own opinion of the era.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 30, 2015, 10:47:54 PM
Did anybody listen to the Nirvana Kiss cover I posted?  Awful.
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Post by: Bolsters on January 30, 2015, 10:52:05 PM
Did anybody listen to the Nirvana Kiss cover I posted?  Awful.
That's precisely why I didn't listen to it. :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2015, 11:46:35 PM
Did anybody listen to the Nirvana Kiss cover I posted?  Awful.

I don't even like hearing the KISS version of that song, let alone a Nirvana version.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 31, 2015, 05:38:07 AM
Did anybody listen to the Nirvana Kiss cover I posted?  Awful.
I saw what it was, but didn't listen to it again (I've heard it before).

I wouldn't consider ruining a KISS song to be blasphemy.  But at the same time, I wouldn't hold a bad cover against any band.

AFAIK, the only real KISS fan in Nirvana was Dave Grohl.  I think the Foos have covered KISS multiple times, and much better than that monstrosity.  He even had Paul Stanley as one of the interviews in Sonic Highways.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2015, 08:08:29 AM
Did anybody listen to the Nirvana Kiss cover I posted?  Awful.

I don't even like hearing KISS. let alone Nirvana.

FTFM. Both HUGELY over-rated bands.

Nevermind was a great album but the other two were merely ok.
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Post by: PuffyPat on January 31, 2015, 08:58:49 PM
I'd say all that will be remembered of Nirvana will be Teen Spirit and suicide.
I don't like Nirvana, but this is just ridiculous.

It might be a harsh opinion but I agree with Blob. In the long-run that will be what people remember most.

Nevermind (the album that Smells Like Teen Spirit was on) is constantly regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time. Also, the Library of Congress put it in the National Recording Registry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Recording_Registry) which collects "culturally, historically or aesthetically important" sound recordings from the 20th century.

Nirvana are much, much bigger than just Kurt Cobain and "Smells Like Teen Spirit".
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 31, 2015, 11:11:55 PM
I'd say all that will be remembered of Nirvana will be Teen Spirit and suicide.
I don't like Nirvana, but this is just ridiculous.

It might be a harsh opinion but I agree with Blob. In the long-run that will be what people remember most.

Nevermind (the album that Smells Like Teen Spirit was on) is constantly regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time. Also, the Library of Congress put it in the National Recording Registry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Recording_Registry) which collects "culturally, historically or aesthetically important" sound recordings from the 20th century.

Nirvana are much, much bigger than just Kurt Cobain and "Smells Like Teen Spirit".

I'm looking at some of those recordings that were added over the years. I'm not sure how being added by the Library of Congress will seal the fate of Nirvana as more than just a flash in the pan.  Do you know all of those artists that were added by the Library of Congress?  Are they household names that people remember or even know? 
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Post by: Orbert on February 02, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
Update on Orbert's almost-band.

First rehearsal tonight with the new lineup.  Our new singer, Anne, has decided to join our band but also stay with her other band.  Her other band has gigs lined up through this summer, so she can't just leave them.  We're not exactly in a position to demand that she quit them or anything.  In fact, Steve (guitar) has another band, I have a few other musical commitments through the church, and JT (drums) and Tony (bass) both occassionally do local session work, so none of us are really monogamous, musically speaking.

It was kinda funny, though, the way she sold it to us (which she didn't even have to do).  She pointed out that she's still rather new to the game, and this experience with the other band will ultimately make her a better singer and performer, thus our band will benefit.  She's only been singing in bands for a few years, and this other band she's in is the first one to actually play gigs.  I didn't realize that.  I thought she was just like us, been doing this since junior high or high school, maybe was out of the game for a while to raise a family, but is now back in.  Nope.  She's always liked to sing, and a friend of hers finally convinced her to "get serious" about it and audition for a band, but she's never done this before.  She's great.  Also pretty hot.

So ideally, she'll keep working with us while we put the set list together, keep getting experience and confidence working with the other band, then eventually quit them because they suck and go full-time with us when we start landing gigs this summer.  That would be the best possible outcome.  There are obviously many scenarios with less desirable outcomes, the worst of course being that she quits our band when her other band actually starts getting better and she's too busy to do both.  Well, we can't control what happens, so we'll just have to see.  Time to go grab some food, then head out to John's for practice.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 03, 2015, 08:10:25 AM
PICS
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Post by: Orbert on February 03, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
I thought about that, actually.  Right now, I'm gonna hold off.  Once we have some pictures from gigs or even rehearsals, sure, but just posting pictures of her because I think she's hot doesn't seem quite right.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on February 03, 2015, 10:05:19 AM
Always a gentleman...
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Post by: Orbert on February 03, 2015, 10:29:05 AM
Well, sometimes.  Also, you guys have to remember that I'm 52 years old, and no one in my band is under 50, so "hot" is relative.  I think she's really pretty, but a lot of guys would look at her and say "She could be my mom!"  Well yeah, she could.  But then you wouldn't be quite so ugly, would you?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 03, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
lol

I admire good-looking women, regardless of age.  I mean, as long as they are legal.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on February 03, 2015, 01:04:18 PM
Same.  We have a lot of older good looking women at work. I don't discriminate.
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Post by: Orbert on February 03, 2015, 01:39:10 PM
That's one of the few perqs of getting older, the change of perspective.  Those hot college girls still look great, of course, but the 30- and 40-somethings who I (mostly) wouldn't have given a second glance back when I was in school look pretty good now.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 03, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
That's one of the few perqs of getting older, the change of perspective.  Those hot college girls still look great, of course, but the 30- and 40-somethings who I (mostly) wouldn't have given a second glance back when I was in school look pretty good now.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Post by: Orbert on March 05, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
Three rehearsals down, four songs each, 12 songs in the bag.  We have a full set of tunes.  Next rehearsal, we run through all 12 songs to freshen them up in our minds and work out the rough spots.  We also have a name.  We are Flashdrive.  Sure, why not?

Every practice, I'm more and more impressed with our new singer, Anne, and she's more impressed with us.  She openly marvelled at how fast we're putting songs together.  Well yeah, but this is how it works in any decent band, as far as I know.  Everyone learns the songs on their own, then you spend a few hours every two weeks putting them together.  Through email, we agree on who's playing what, or what key it's in, if there's any question, otherwise everybody shows up ready to go.  So four songs every two weeks.  Another couple of months and we'll have three sets, a full evening.  Then we'll be ready to play out, just in time for summer.

One thing that still bothers me a little bit is that she still refers to the band as "you guys".  She still has her other band, the one she's been in for two years and the only band she's ever been in, so when she comes to rehearse with us, we're her "other band" and she thinks of us as "you guys".  I try to gently correct her.  Like, she'll say "Wow, you guys are really good!" and I'll say "No, WE are really good!"  And she'll say "Right, right".  Not dismissively; she's nodding her head and smiling, like she's embarrassed to have to be corrected (again).

Her other band had a gig last weekend, and she posted pictures on her Facebook page, and obviously that's the foremost band in her mind right now.  We are just her side project.  Our drummer JT took a picture at rehearsal the other night and posted it on Facebook, tagging everyone, and she removed her tag.  I'm trying not to jump to conclusions, as there can be different reasons for that.  She'd just posted a bunch of pictures of her other band's gig, and changed her cover picture to a nice band picture of them, so being tagged in a pic the next day of her rehearsing with a different band would be weird (especially since her other band members would see it, and I don't know if they know she's moonlighting).  Also, it's not a particularly flattering picture for her.

So even though the band sounds pretty fucking great (we really do) and it all seems to be going well, there just seems like a little bit of uncertainty to it all.  But as I said last time, it's nothing I can control or do anything about, so it'll just have to be.  I know, it's only rock and roll.  But I like it.  ♫♫
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 05, 2015, 10:29:08 AM
 :metal
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2015, 04:38:22 AM
So it looks like I will soon be moving from acoustic guitar to electric guitar (for the first time in roughly 10 years) with the band at church. 

My guitar is a Fender Strat, and the church just ordered me a Digitech RP500, so I've been messing around with that for the last week or so.  Not sure if I will transition over this week, or wait another week, but it's been fun noodling around with this thing.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 17, 2015, 05:25:17 AM
Cool Hef.  We just had a conference over the weekend at it was the first time in a long time I got to play second guitar.  Had so much fun with my Digitech Whammy.  Got some cool sounds with the 1 Octave Up setting + delay + reverb + volume swirls; real good for the interlude-ish moments in between songs.  I went between my Strat and my Tele.  Strat is far more versatile though, especially for worship. 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2015, 06:09:59 AM
We'll see how it goes.  I am pretty much just a rhythm player, and we already have a lead player, but he doesn't change sounds at all.  He comes from a blues/jazz background, and is a phenomenal lead player, so I don't have to worry about that, but then there was me and another guy both on acoustic.  So I decided to go back to electric to fill out the sound, and hopefully add some texture (and crunch where needed  :metal).
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Post by: Orbert on March 17, 2015, 06:52:02 AM
Speaking of adding texture, I sat in on piano this week at my church.  Our praise band has imploded, so our Deacon, who sings and plays acoustic guitar, has been leading the gathering songs each week for a while now.  A mix of modern praise tunes and what I call "Sunday School Songs" -- good old singalong stuff to start off the service.  Anyway, I knew this week's song, so I asked if I could join her, and she was into it.  Even going from just guitar and voice to guitar, voice, and piano makes a big difference.  Now we're an "ensemble".  She was pretty psyched about it and and asked me if I'd like to do this every week.  Of course!  I miss playing, so yeah.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Yeah, it's amazing what an extra instrument can do.

When my wife and I were playing out (her singing, me singing/playing acoustic), it was wild how our sound changed when our oldest daughter started playing percussion (djembe, shakers, rain stick, tambourine, whatever).

On the other hand, we have a fairly full band at church now, and I always find it funny when our music director freaks out if several people will be out.  I always have to assure her that it will be fine, I've played with less.  It will be effective.
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Post by: Orbert on March 17, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
Music directors can get used to things being a certain way, and their first reaction is to panic if they think too many parts will be missing.  Hey, a song can work with just a voice and guitar or voice and piano, or a capella for that matter.  Anything else you add just makes it better.  There's no "minimum" ensemble required.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2015, 11:06:52 AM
Music directors can get used to things being a certain way, and their first reaction is to panic if they think too many parts will be missing.  Hey, a song can work with just a voice and guitar or voice and piano, or a capella for that matter.  Anything else you add just makes it better.  There's no "minimum" ensemble required.
Yep, that's my point of view, as well.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 17, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
We'll see how it goes.  I am pretty much just a rhythm player, and we already have a lead player, but he doesn't change sounds at all.  He comes from a blues/jazz background, and is a phenomenal lead player, so I don't have to worry about that, but then there was me and another guy both on acoustic.  So I decided to go back to electric to fill out the sound, and hopefully add some texture (and crunch where needed  :metal).

If he's a widdly-widdly kinda lead player then theres a perfect opportunity to add texture.  That's pretty much my place in the church band - if my brother is playing (he's a real Lukather freak) I just stick to fattening up rhythms where necessary, and adding sonic textures/embellishments wherever I can. I definitely don't ascribe to the U2 guitar of most CCM but I admit I would be screwed without delay/reverb in this context :lol

Music directors can get used to things being a certain way, and their first reaction is to panic if they think too many parts will be missing.  Hey, a song can work with just a voice and guitar or voice and piano, or a capella for that matter.  Anything else you add just makes it better.  There's no "minimum" ensemble required.
Yep, that's my point of view, as well.

Definitely the truth.  I led our P&W team for two years with one guitar, a bass player and a drummer, and it was absolutely enough.  We had some awesome times.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 18, 2015, 12:57:03 PM
Sweet.

Well, tomorrow night will be my first practice with the new electric rig, so we'll see how it goes.
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Post by: Calvin6s on March 20, 2015, 01:42:26 AM
(https://blog.comedycentral.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/54-guitar-queero.jpg)
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 20, 2015, 02:13:06 AM
So wrong.    :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2015, 07:20:12 AM
Close.
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Post by: Lucien on March 20, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
Close.

Oh, you weren't wearing underwear. I see.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2015, 01:11:01 PM
lol

What I found is that things that sound cool when you are at home and the only musician playing don't necessarily sound as cool with the whole band lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 20, 2015, 01:36:02 PM
Well, solo performing is a lot different from ensemble, IMO.  If it's just you, it's all you.  But even if it's just you and one other person, the focus totally shifts to what you're building together.  And with a full band, you go all the way with it.  It's the ensemble that matters most, but within that, you still find ways for the individuals to matter, to shine on occassion.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on March 20, 2015, 07:41:11 PM
The most important rule with an elec. guitar path.  You probably need a lot less amp than you think.

Even at a young age, I had a drum machine, synth and sequencer.  So I'd almost always create a quick backing track with those.  If it wasn't for a specific song but more of a "chart" type jam, I'd try to keep the backing as simple as possible.  By the time you get to the band rehearsal, you have a decent musical roadmap in your head that you can concentrate more on jamming than simply playing.

And in some ways, rehearsals were more fun than the actual performance.  At least you don't have a light shining in your face.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2015, 04:17:46 AM
Well, solo performing is a lot different from ensemble, IMO.  If it's just you, it's all you.  But even if it's just you and one other person, the focus totally shifts to what you're building together.  And with a full band, you go all the way with it.  It's the ensemble that matters most, but within that, you still find ways for the individuals to matter, to shine on occassion.
Yes to all of that, but I was just talking guitar effects and patches.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2015, 04:19:12 AM
lol

What I found is that things that sound cool when you are at home and the only musician playing don't necessarily sound as cool with the whole band lol

Like that " bitchin" guitar tone you got from your Line6 Pod with no midrange and 100% bass & treble that you suddenly can't hear when you go to band practice :P
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2015, 05:19:10 AM
lol

What I found is that things that sound cool when you are at home and the only musician playing don't necessarily sound as cool with the whole band lol

Like that " bitchin" guitar tone you got from your Line6 Pod with no midrange and 100% bass & treble that you suddenly can't hear when you go to band practice :P
:lol Yeah, something like that!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 21, 2015, 07:56:48 AM
Well, solo performing is a lot different from ensemble, IMO.  If it's just you, it's all you.  But even if it's just you and one other person, the focus totally shifts to what you're building together.  And with a full band, you go all the way with it.  It's the ensemble that matters most, but within that, you still find ways for the individuals to matter, to shine on occassion.
Yes to all of that, but I was just talking guitar effects and patches.

Oh, you guitarists are your effects and patches.   :loser:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2015, 08:24:24 AM
Well, solo performing is a lot different from ensemble, IMO.  If it's just you, it's all you.  But even if it's just you and one other person, the focus totally shifts to what you're building together.  And with a full band, you go all the way with it.  It's the ensemble that matters most, but within that, you still find ways for the individuals to matter, to shine on occassion.
Yes to all of that, but I was just talking guitar effects and patches.

Oh, you guitarists are your effects and patches.   :loser:
Hey, I'm not accustomed to having to deal with them.  This is new to me (or new again, I should say).   :biggrin:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2015, 08:47:44 AM
I forgot i had my amp in the basement.  So I think i'm going to head to the store, get a new guitar cable, plug in the acousitc/electric, and finish learning Along for the Ride. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 22, 2015, 10:44:43 AM
Rocked it out at church this morning. This is gonna be fun.  :metal
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on March 22, 2015, 04:43:37 PM
:metal
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
Easter morning at church, we always like to have "real brass" augmenting the sound.  There's nothing like hearing choir, organ, and real brass.  Big sound.  In the old days, we a had quartet; two trombones and two trumpets.  For a while it was just two trumpets.  We had three one year.  Recent years, we've been down to one trumpet.  Local musicians figured out that they could charge $100 or $150 to play at local services, since everyone was doing it, but we're just a small church and don't have a huge budget.  This year, we had some money, but our choir director couldn't find anyone.  Like, nobody anywhere.  We usually hit up the local high schools, but everyone's on Spring Break.

At choir rehearsal a few weeks back, I said "You know, saxophones are made of brass, so technically..."  I'm not sure how serious I was, but if the idea is to augment the sound, why not?  I've played my alto in church a few times with the praise band, and Brian (one of the basses (I'm a tenor)) has an alto and a soprano.  The anthem has optional parts for two trumpets and two trombones.  Checking it out, you could have all four, or just the two trumpets, and it would work.  Just the two trombones would be weird but okay, but if you can get trombones, you can probably get trumpets.  I suggested Brian play his soprano, which is Bb, so he wouldn't have to transpose, and I'd play my alto and just wing it.

The next rehearsal, our director showed up with the two trumpet parts transcribed from the "miniature" versions on the back page of the choir part.  Apparently you had to order them separately (and pay for them, of course), so she just did them on her PC using Sibelius.  I would've done the same if she'd given me the go-ahead, but whatever, she did it, and was obviously on board with the idea.  Our choir is small, but we can afford to lose one tenor and one bass if it meant having brass.  So we did "Joy in the Morning" with a soprano sax and an alto sax playing the trumpet parts.  It was different, but pretty cool. :tup

Rewind to Friday night.  As I lay in bed, I was thinking ahead to this morning, thinking about how cool it was gonna be to have brass, and actually get to be part of it.  I thought about the opening strains of "Christ the Lord is Risen Today" (which is always the opening hymn on Easter morning) and...  Hey, why aren't we doing all the hymns with brass?

So Saturday (yesterday), I shot an email to Shirley (the director) and Brian, and told them I had some time, and wanted to whip up some charts, and what did they think?  I'd be willing to just fly with it, but Brian isn't quite the war-scarred veteran I am, and would want to rehearse it, and maybe wouldn't even feel comfortable doing it with just one rehearsal.  But I sent the email, and then immediately started working on the charts.  An hour later, I had two verses.  I wasn't sure how many verses we were going to sing, but we could do two, alternate between them, skip a verse, whatever.  We had some ammo.  Different harmonies and augmentations, lifted from the actual choral parts and transposed in various combinations. :hat

I logged back into my email and, not really surprisingly, nothing new yet.  So I sent the soprano part to Brian and the two-sax part to Shirley (actually I sent both to both, since it was the same email conversation), and asked Shirley if she knew what the closing hymn was going to be.  Gotta open and close with the brass, right?

I checked throughout the day, but Shirley was gone all day.  I should've just called her.  But Brian answered, asked me if I could meet him early to run through it a few times.  Sure.  Then he wrote back later, said he's tried it and it was a piece of cake, so if we did it once during regular rehearsal before the service, he'd be fine.  Yes!  I never did hear back from Shirley though.  But hey, we'd have brass for the opening hymn as well.

This morning, Shirley happened to check her email and answered me.  She's fine with everything, even thanked me for doing it since she'd run out of time (she should've just asked me --  I would've done it but didn't think of it).  The closing hymn is "Christ is Risen", but at this point I didn't have time, since I too was basically doing a last-minute email check before leaving the house.  Crap.  She showed up at rehearsal with a pad of five-line paper, said asked me if I wanted to whip something up really quick, or she could do it.  Whoa. :omg:

During the sermon, I cooked up a chart for Brian to play based on the descant written for the final verse, and I just winged a second horn part based on the tenor part.  Hey, the harmonies worked, there was some counterpoint here and there, it worked.  Living on the edge.  Writing horn parts 30 minutes before they're gonna be played.

So we did the opening hymn, anthem, and closing hymn with "real brass" in the form of two saxophones, and I got to write the charts for two of them.  And I did it for free, and I'm damned proud of it. :millahhhh
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 05, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
All of the joys of music wrapped into one bundle there. :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Absolutely.  Doing different things in terms of playing, and arranging, making up some stuff, synthesizing other stuff.  It was crazy fun.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2015, 08:22:17 AM
That is awesome, Orbert!  :metal
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 08, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Update on Orbert's Band

The drama, or more accurately "the trauma", continues.

We rehearse every other Saturday.  Steve (lead guitar) is currently paying the rent driving an 18-wheeler and is on the road 11 days out of 14, so he's only home every other weekend.  JT (drums) runs a restaurant and owns two other businesses and Saturday mornings are just about the only time he can manage.  Our new bassist, Tony, works various odd jobs as he can get them and his schedule can be unpredictable.  The stage is set.

After three pretty good rehearsals in a row, each covering four songs, we had 12 songs -- one set -- and the next rehearsal was to nail them down.  Finally getting a song right after working on it for half an hour or 45 minutes is fine, but if you can't come back to it two weeks later, or four or six, and get through it, you didn't really have the song nailed down.

It turns out that John (guitar, leader, and owner of the basement in which we practice) is going to be out of town, doing college visits with his son.  They've tried, but there's no other date that works.  Can we do Friday night, or Sunday afternoon?  We settle on Friday night.  I pack all my stuff into my car before heading to work, since I'll be driving out there right after work.  During the day, I get an email.  JT's grill cook's grandmother has died suddenly, the cook has called out, and JT has to cover.  Sunday afternoon doesn't work, and by Monday, Steve is back on the road.  So no rehearsal.

Two weeks later, Tony has to be somewhere by Noon for a job, so we move practice time up from 10 AM to 9 AM, so we can be done by 11 and Tony can go make some money.  I get there about 8:30, since I have to set up my keyboards, amp, and sax, so I'm first one there.  I get to the basement and meet Dave, John's friend, who is filling in on bass.  What?  Tony's start time got moved up to 11, and rather than move the rehearsal time yet another hour earlier (and on very short notice), John called a friend of his who plays bass, just so we can get through the rehearsal.

Rehearsal is not great.  At this point, it's been four, six, or eight weeks since playing the songs, plus we don't have our regular bass player, so I'm not even sure what the point was of practicing, but at the very least, it helped the rest of us to run through the 12 songs, scrape off some rust.

Two weeks later, Tony has to miss another rehearsal, as he has something going on and they need him all day Saturday.  He also mentions that now the baseball season is starting, he'll be busy on weekends.  He plays on a minor league team.  What the fuck?  You join a band, knowing that you won't be available on weekends?

John sends an email expressing his frustration.  Anne (singer) has another band, and they suck, but they're out there playing.  Steve has another band, and they're finishing their third set.  Why are we still in the basement with only a dozen songs?  (Answer: because we keep changing personnel, taking "breaks", and cancelling rehearsals when we do have a full band.)  He questions the commitment of people.  He (rightfully, mostly) complains that you shouldn't commit to a band if you can't even learn your parts and show up for rehearsals.

I sent him a reply, him only, saying that we're all busy as hell, but Saturday mornings worked for us for over a year.  Tony is the new guy, and he's a great player and also has an ear for harmonies and background vocals, but if he's the reason we keep cancelling rehearsals, then he's gotta go, and really, he shouldn't have taken the gig if he knew this.

Tony sends a reply to everyone, voluntarily dropping out of the band.  He knows the score.  So okay, this was probably the least painful way it could have happened, we didn't have to fire him or anything, but shit.  Time to find a new bass player.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on April 08, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
I think once you pass the age of 25, these rules apply to musicians:

1.  You have a job (and maybe even family) that takes up the majority of your time.  Rehearsals are the first thing to get tossed out.
2.  You don't have a real job (career), so you have a lot of time to rehearse.  But if you don't have a real job by age 25, it probably means you aren't exactly reliable.  So you miss rehearsals any way.

You really have a clock ticking on doing anything professionally as a musician.

Despite all that, I wish you the best in getting it all worked out.  It definitely won't happen if you don't try.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 10, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
That sucks, Orbert.  Hopefully you can find a new bass player.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 10, 2015, 02:40:08 PM
John has contacted Jerry, who was runner-up bass player last time.  Jerry did not play horribly, but he wasn't great, and it took a bit of convincing for JT and Steve to even give the guy another shot.  He's the one who played some very pedestrian parts, and said "But that's what it said on the sheet music."  I know, not exactly promising.  But a not-great bass player is still better than no bass player at all, and if there's one position in our band where we could get away with a not-great player, it's the bass.  If your drummer can't keep basic time, it's obvious and you suck.  If your singer can't sing, it's obvious, and you suck.  If your guitarist can't play, it's obvious and you suck.  Keyboards, just turn him down in the mix and no one will know the difference anyway.

But, and I mean no offense to bass players, if your bass player isn't exactly John Entwhistle, but he keeps the bottom end and is at least in the right key and stuff, the part is covered.  Yes, a really good bass player is a definite plus, and can take you to the next level.  But we have a gig coming up and 20 more songs to learn.  If he's down there just thumping roots, we at least have the part covered.  Anything beyond that is bonus, and he did show some game.  We didn't really give him much time to prepare last time, and after we'd played the song on my iPod for him, he picked up the part, so he does have ears.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and figure he used the sheet music to cheat a little (which I've done) and never had time to come back and work up the actual part.

So John has contacted him and impressed upon him that the position is his if he wants it, but he's gotta step up his game a bit.  John's going to work with him one-on-one a little, then throw him into the fire.  So this should be interesting.

It has now been over a year, over 15 months actually, and we've played two gigs, changed personnel countless times, and currently have no songs in the bag.  Good thing I really like to play and have a high tolerance for bullshit, because this is really getting pretty silly.  But whatever.  It's still fun to get together every other Saturday and jam with these guys.  Life could be worse.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on April 10, 2015, 06:48:59 PM
So anybody here at DTF write songs together over the net (emailing parts and posting up section suggestions on SoundCloud?)  We did that at John Petrucci Forums and it was pretty fun.  I know I saw GoldFalcon (Alex) post here and he was a big part of that. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on April 11, 2015, 01:03:05 AM
So anybody here at DTF write songs together over the net (emailing parts and posting up section suggestions on SoundCloud?)  We did that at John Petrucci Forums and it was pretty fun.  I know I saw GoldFalcon (Alex) post here and he was a big part of that.

oh I WISH
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 01:04:43 AM
So anybody here at DTF write songs together over the net (emailing parts and posting up section suggestions on SoundCloud?)  We did that at John Petrucci Forums and it was pretty fun.  I know I saw GoldFalcon (Alex) post here and he was a big part of that.

Now I know why your name looked familiar when I first saw it here.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on April 11, 2015, 03:26:15 AM
Just for reference, we (JP Forum) started a thread for the song and used it to openly discuss the composition process.  I haven't read the rule about not posting links to the Petrucci Forum, so this is the thread:
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?76074-The-JPForum-Project

I had this on my computer, so I uploaded it to Soundcloud as v19
https://soundcloud.com/calvin6s/jpforum-project19

For the most part, 7/8 dominates the non-chorus parts, 4/4 is mainly the chorus and Rhys wrote a kick butt jam section that has lots of 5/4-4/4 (you can tell his part as it is pasted with some cool VST sounds so the sonic quality changes).

Keep in mind, we wrote quite a bit of the song just using our VST's and I was using GuitarPro, so it is more of a sketchpad than a full on release sound.  You can only do so much with GuitarPro in terms of sonic quality.  Alex was really good about putting down the actual guitar parts, but I think he took him off his Soundcloud account (or I am just using the wrong address).

It really was a collaboration.  R32BlitzBane started the ball rolling with the clean guitar arpeggiation that became the verse.  I brought in the intro.  Alex came up with the chorus and did most of the initial arrangement.  Rhys wrote his great jam section and was in the process of creating lyrics.  And then there was a lot of others offering embellishments, rearrangements, alterations, etc. of everybody else's parts.  We all had slightly different versions simply because we didn't have a universal VST to exchange the ideas easily.  Often we'd just send each other the sheet music, MIDI file or just transcribe the parts of each other.

I was kind of hoping that somebody here would be interested in starting a whole new process with a thread here (possibly cross-linking to the Petrucci Forum as well as other DT musician oriented forums).

Never really practice my guitar any more.  I always liked writing songs and sections of songs more than shredding.  You get the most growth by writing with other people.  It is just a hobby for me and have no real aspirations of it being anything more than that.  If somebody wanted to give what we (possibly) write a proper instrument recording, great.  But it isn't absolutely necessary.  Just writing is fun enough for me.

This thread was "musicians unite" so I figured this was the place to bring it up?  If there is enough interest, we can start a new thread dedicated to the future song.  I have tons of stuff that can be used as a starting point if that is what it takes to get the ball rolling, but anybody can be the initial spark.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 25, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
I kinda feel like this one thread might be trying to do too many things at once, even if the net result is not a whole lot of traffic.  I came in here to give an update on my band, which I've been doing for a while, but then I saw Calvin's post from two weeks ago -- which I'd forgotten about and, unfortunately, I can't really say I'm interested in -- but I didn't want to just pull the thread back in a different direction.

So, what's the overall feeling, guys (and girls)?  It's not really a "chat thread" if it goes two weeks without a post, so it's really been functioning as something of catch-all thread.  Should we maybe have a thread just for people to talk about the various musical endeavors that they're involved in?  Something like that?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on April 25, 2015, 03:35:24 PM
I thought the thread was just a place for musicians to hang out.  I figured I would offer the collaboration thing up and if there were any interested parties, we'd start a new thread for the current song collaboration - like we did at the JP Forum.  Nobody responded, so I guess we can just move on.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 25, 2015, 04:46:01 PM
You're not wrong.  I guess I think of the entire Musicians forum as the place for musicians to hang out, and people can (and do) start various threads for various purposes.  I felt kinda funny because the only things I really have to chat about are the various musical endeavors I find myself involved in, and I didn't want to just carry on with that.  It seemed like snubbing you and your idea, and I didn't want it to be like that.  My updates were kinda dominating the thread for a while, but I guess that's how it goes if others don't have a lot to talk about.

So anyway...


Band rehearsal, our first official one with Jerry, our new bassist.  We started with four "older" songs (even through they're all new to Jerry), then worked on four new ones.  We did something different, which was to listen to each song first.  I always have my iPod run through my mixer/amp, the output of which is also fed to the board.  We've gone to it in the past to settle disagreements, or just to review the song itself, but this time, we listened to each song first, then did the song.  I always create a playlist of current songs and listen to them non-stop for days leading up to rehearsals, so for me it was a waste of time, but I know not everyone else does that, so it was good for everyone to have each song fresh in their minds.  We got through eight songs in three hours.

I broke out the Prophet-5.  I love playing it, but it's a 40-pound beast and up until now, there hasn't been anything that required it.  I can split the keyboard on my Yamaha and do organ/piano, piano/strings, etc.  But one of the new songs was "Separate Ways" by Journey, and that tune demands real synth, so real synth it was.  Jeez, you'd think these guys had never seen a synthesizer before.  They were literally fawning all over it.  But I suppose you don't see a vintage 80's analog synth every day.  It sounded great, which was all I cared about.

Jerry was much, much better than at his audition.  He was actually tight, yet loose and groovin' in spots.  Jumped in on some background vocals, too.  I wish he'd played like this at his audition.  I was okay with him before, but some of the others weren't sure, and it also didn't make sense to just jump on the first guy we auditioned.  Tony was amazing, but Tony joined the band knowing full well that we rehearse Saturday mornings, and his Saturdays are all tied up.  So we basically wasted a couple of months there.

Anyway, great rehearsal, eight songs nailed down.  My back hurts.  It hurt when I got up this morning; I probably slept funny, but after three hours of jamming, it's kinda bad now.  These are the sacrifices we make for our art.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on April 25, 2015, 05:03:33 PM
First, congrats on the new bass player.  Finding band members can be a pain.  They always seem to be great and unreliable or average and reliable.  Obviously that is because the better you are, the more options you have.

I broke out the Prophet-5. 
What other synths do you have? 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 25, 2015, 08:07:19 PM
Separate Ways on a legit synth? :metal (although the original uses a Jupiter 8, but I'm sure it still sounded amazing). One of the few songs I can play fully on keys too.

As for the chat thread, I think either line of discussion would merit its own thread, or is just fine in the chat thread too. Orbert's band saga alone certainly deserves a dedicated thread! :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 25, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
I think Jerry might just be a poor auditioner, Orbert. It happens to people. But god, I'm jealous of you and your synth.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on April 25, 2015, 10:29:42 PM
What other synths do you have? 

Just the Prophet.  For years, I didn't have any keyboards at all.  When the band broke up in '83, I got the piano, but the synth belonged to "the band", which actually meant it belonged to Pete the guitarist, who started the band and had sunk a bunch of his own money into it.  So he kept the Prophet, but let me take the Yamaha piano.  It was a weird, 80's electronic piano that was fun to mess around with, but I went back to school, got a real job, etc., and it was just taking up space, so eventually I sold it.  By then, my parents had retired and moved to a condo, so I had the acoustic piano I'd grown up with.  There was no reason to keep the Yamaha thing.

It was probably around 2005 that the Prophet that I play now showed up under the Christmas tree.  My wife found it on Ebay.  There's a company in Ohio that refurbishes and sells them.  It's a Mark III (there were three versions of the Prophet 5), exactly like the one I played back in the 80's, and because it came from Ohio and I'm from Michigan, there's even a chance that it's the same machine.  That would be wacky, but I have no way of knowing, since I lost track of Pete a while ago.

When I joined the church band in 2009, I needed something more practical, so I grabbed a cheapo Yamaha because it was all I could afford, but I made sure it had 88 keys, could split, had a bank of presets (standard Yamaha 500 voice library) and some other goodies.  Right now, that's all I have.

(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/29179_1291626692688_8000109_n.jpg?oh=5a94bc6d37968016eedb4fac9e9bf719&oe=55CC1A2D)

Separate Ways on a legit synth? :metal (although the original uses a Jupiter 8, but I'm sure it still sounded amazing). One of the few songs I can play fully on keys too.

It did sound pretty fucking great, if I do say so myself.  I know my way around the Prophet pretty well, and the patch I built, to my ears, sounds exactly like the Roland that Cain used on the album (actually I thought it was a Juno -- they look very similar).  The guys were going pretty nuts, asking me why I'd never brought it before.  Because we never needed it before, that's why.

All those knobs and switches... how do you know how to work it all?  I could explain it all, and I could even make you understand.  How much time do you have?  Just as guitarists can flip switches on their pickups and push foot switches on their pedals and make their guitar sound just like what we hear on the radio, I know my way around oscillators, envelope generators, and filters.  It's the same thing, just more nerdy.  Guitarists are cool; keyboard players are geek nerds.  It's something I resigned myself to a long time ago.

I think Jerry might just be a poor auditioner, Orbert. It happens to people. But god, I'm jealous of you and your synth.

Jerry said as much, but of course it seems that way now.  He was having trouble with his amp at the audition, and he told us that when he got it home that night and opened it up, something had fried on the main board.  So he was nervous, dealing with that, and hadn't really had a lot of time to prepare for the audition, due to some work obligations that popped up unexpectedly.  He started with some sheet music as a shortcut, but didn't have time to work up his parts properly.  He was easily twice as good today as he was at his audition, maybe three times as good.  A completely different player.

Someday, someone's gonna come to a gig I'm playing and see the Prophet and offer me a ridiculous amount of money for it.  And I'll have a hard decision to make.  I love it, and it sounds great, but I'm well aware that my attachment to it is purely sentimental.  It's far from practical, but it's the machine I played during what was easily the funnest time in my life.  Even if and when I graduate to a pair of Nords (ultimately, I want an 88 and a Lead), I'll always love the Prophet.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 25, 2015, 10:52:21 PM
Guitarists are cool; keyboard players are geek nerds.  It's something I resigned myself to a long time ago.


As a hobby keyboardist myself, I can attest to that fact. :lol Half of the appeal of keyboard to me was always the ability to create different sounds and play around with that side of it.
The only keyboard I have is an M-Audio Keystation 88 Pro, which is just a MIDI controller with no sounds of its own, with 88 weighted keys, and a whole bunch of controls, including pitch/mod and a whole bunch of generic knobs, sliders, and buttons. So all of my sounds are software synths on the computer, no real deal.
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Post by: Orbert on April 26, 2015, 06:54:16 AM
I've thought about different ways to go with a rig.  It has to be practical for both stage and rehearsal, and I'm about 30 years out of touch with how it's done today, so I have a lot of catching up to do.  One thing I've seen is guys with a controller such as you've described, and a laptop on the top rack.  Everything's digital, preset, and programmed.  The Jordan Rudess approach.  He basically has the entire night's worth of sounds all programmed and ready to go, and advances one from patch to the next via foot switch.  His hands never have to leave the keyboard.  Whether he's changing patches for the next song, or changing patches 10 times during the same song, he just hits the foot switch and the sounds he needs are there under his fingers.

That's super fucking cool, of course, and I keep using the word "practical" for some reason, but going that far with it somehow seems almost too far.  I like flipping switches and turning knobs during performance.  I feel more like I'm actually playing the thing, not just playing sounds on a keyboard that anybody could have programmed.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 26, 2015, 07:02:31 AM
I think for the type of music you're playing, it would be overkill, and it's not as reliable or simple to setup. But it's great fun if you're sitting in front of a computer noodling around with sounds and writing some music.
The PC way is more work upfront for less work on stage (in theory), but if you enjoy doing it all on the fly, then it's not a problem.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 26, 2015, 07:23:16 AM
I have a lot of respect for the keyboard player who actually turns knobs, pulls levers, and actively tweaks their sounds while playing. It soundd and looks much more organic and natural.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 26, 2015, 07:34:46 AM
I wouldn't say it's necessarily more organic or natural, it's just more oldschool, which I guess I can see the appeal of. If anything, it's more natural to not have to be fiddling with your sound at all mid-playing. Having a more automated rig leaves you to just the playing.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 26, 2015, 07:48:08 AM
Thought I'd do the 'band update' thing as well.

For the first time ever I'm playing/writing/rehearsing with a proper band. We usually practice every weekend and it's really fun. We've only barely gotten through one of our own songs so far, as I try to write quite difficult (for us noobs) music that'll push us all further to become better players. So it's hard work but still great. We haven't found a singer yet, so we're only four instrumentalists at the moment.

We are in the process of writing a full length concept album and have three songs done so far, in total adding up to 26+ minutes.
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Post by: Orbert on April 26, 2015, 02:04:21 PM
That sounds awesome.  I would love to be in a band that did original music, but it's tough enough even getting a cover band to work.
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Post by: PuffyPat on April 26, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
I like flipping switches and turning knobs during performance.  I feel more like I'm actually playing the thing, not just playing sounds on a keyboard that anybody could have programmed.


flipping switches and turning knobs is the best part. as a drummer who plays guitar on the side, my entire fascination with guitar is the fact that i can have pedals that make a guitar sound like, well, not a guitar. the guitarist of my band hates my obsession with pedals, but i don't have the discipline to be as good as he as at guitar, so i just turn knobs, and make cool sounds.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 27, 2015, 04:14:08 AM
The reason I prefer to play drums live is that you can't be out of tune or not hear yourself.

If you put in earplugs you can't be sure you can hear what you're playing on the guitar or if you're in tune.

But on drums you can hear everything clearly.
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Post by: Orbert on April 27, 2015, 06:50:34 AM
Drums can definitely be out of tune.  Not in terms of absolute pitch, as with voiced instruments, but in terms of relative pitch.  The intervals between your toms should be consistent, for example.  That's why good drummers tune up before gigs, same as anyone else.

I also disagree about the use of earplugs.  Good earplugs will only lower the Db level coming into your ears.  You can still tell if you're in tune, and you can still hear what you're playing.  I wear earplugs during practices.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2015, 07:51:40 AM
My experiment going back to electric guitar has not been as good as I had hoped.  It's hard to find good sounding patches that blend in well with our already-existing sound.

But it's on delay for a while anyway.  Our drummer and his wife are expecting the birth of their first child any time in the next few weeks, so he is leaving to be on baby duty for a while.  So I am officially back on drums for the foreseeable future, which will be tons of fun.

First appearance back is this coming Sunday, which is Anniversary Sunday at our church.  Normally we have our Contemporary Service (where our band plays), and a traditional service (with piano, organ, and choir, where they sing mostly hymns).  But this Sunday will be a combined service, with both music groups "performing" individually and together on a few songs.  Should be, well, stressful, but also fun.  Also, church pot luck lunch following, and those are always  :metal
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Post by: Orbert on April 27, 2015, 08:25:14 AM
One of our original guitarists played electric with the band.  Our original sound (such as it was) was based on one electric, one acoustic, and piano, with the occassional violin or percussion thrown in.  He kept it to a pretty clean sound, with maybe just a enough grit to give it some extra texture.  It sounded really nice blended with the acoustic.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2015, 08:37:27 AM
One of our original guitarists played electric with the band.  Our original sound (such as it was) was based on one electric, one acoustic, and piano, with the occassional violin or percussion thrown in.  He kept it to a pretty clean sound, with maybe just a enough grit to give it some extra texture.  It sounded really nice blended with the acoustic.
That's cool.

Part of the problem is the set up.  I don't really have an amp at home (haven't played guitar in years, and we don't use amps at church), so I run sounds through a headphone jack at the house.  And I get stuff that sounds great to me.  Then we get to church and line into the system, and it doesn't sound the same.  Plus, our sound guy is not the best in the world, so he can't really help me to EQ myself with everything else to get a good sound.  Frustrating.

Like I said, though, I will beat the (electronic) skins for a while, so that will be fun.
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Post by: Orbert on April 27, 2015, 10:30:10 AM
Part of the problem is the set up.  I don't really have an amp at home (haven't played guitar in years, and we don't use amps at church), so I run sounds through a headphone jack at the house.  And I get stuff that sounds great to me.  Then we get to church and line into the system, and it doesn't sound the same.  Plus, our sound guy is not the best in the world, so he can't really help me to EQ myself with everything else to get a good sound.  Frustrating.

That sounds non-fun.  You have to be able to trust your sound man, but I know you don't always have a choice.  Maybe try to get some time in there "off hours" to work on sounds?  If and when you get back to guitar, that is.

I ran into something similar the other day, when I whipped out my "Separate Ways" patch.  It sounded great through my practice amp, over headphones, but I run a line out to the board and we basically rehearse listening to the monitors, and it sounded really, really dry.  I had to do some knob-tweaking on the fly (yay!) once I heard what it sounded like.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2015, 10:50:07 AM
Maybe try to get some time in there "off hours" to work on sounds?  If and when you get back to guitar, that is.
Yeah, that would be best, but it would work best if everyone could be there and hash out the sound as a whole.  Hopefully we can work it out.
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Post by: PuffyPat on April 27, 2015, 11:47:58 AM
The reason I prefer to play drums live is that you can't be out of tune or not hear yourself.

If you put in earplugs you can't be sure you can hear what you're playing on the guitar or if you're in tune.

But on drums you can hear everything clearly.

drums live can be a nightmare sometimes. if the room sucks, or the monitors are shitty, all you hear is the drums. you can easily lose track of where the song is. and orbert's right about the tuning. if one of your toms is too high it's gonna sound awkward, or you're playing on a kit that's tuned way too high for the music that you're playing, which happens to me all the time when i'm at a venue with a house kit (i keep my toms as low as physically possible, and i'm always tightening loose lugs).

no matter what instrument you're playing, you always have to adjust to the room, the monitors, and the people you're playing with.
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Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on April 28, 2015, 01:33:28 AM
Wrote some piano and classical styled music recently. Thoughts? It's nothing amazing, but I sure had fun writing and programming! Took a while as I don't have a midi keyboard - just point and click, point and click... I did The Moonlight while I was learning how to use the program, that's why it may sound like it was done sloppily. I hope those of you who listen enjoy!  :D

https://soundcloud.com/cody-marshall-mckenna/gizmo-21
https://soundcloud.com/cody-marshall-mckenna/venus
https://soundcloud.com/cody-marshall-mckenna/the-moonlight
https://soundcloud.com/cody-marshall-mckenna/the-galaxy
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Post by: Scorpion on May 02, 2015, 05:53:59 AM
I sung in what was probably the hardest concert of my life so far. One hour of a cappella music that was at best "pretty tricky" and at worst "fucking insane". Our conductor actually told me in private that he had no idea what possessed him to put together such a tricky program lol.

Anyway, it was good. We were all very pleased with the concert, especially considering the difficulty. The one thing that was sad though was the low turnout - maybe 100 people, tops had come. :(
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Post by: Lucien on May 05, 2015, 09:27:07 PM
So, I finished the first movement of a symphony today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-7wjJdSKFw

cool

one down, three to go
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Post by: Orbert on May 05, 2015, 09:37:51 PM
Wow!  To my mind, that is the ultimate achievement as a composer.  A symphony.  A piece for the largest possible ensemble, and of course with the implicit idea that that the composition itself take advantage of that ensemble.

And it's a good one, too!
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Post by: Lucien on May 05, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
Wow!  To my mind, that is the ultimate achievement as a composer.  A symphony.  A piece for the largest possible ensemble, and of course with the implicit idea that that the composition itself take advantage of that ensemble.

And it's a good one, too!

Thanks! I'll be showing off the movement in my composition club tomorrow. I had made a couple of other attempts at a symphony movement before, but until now I either 1. didn't have enough decent ideas to make it work and 2. didn't know enough about the structure I would be using (sonata-allegro form (https://home.earthlink.net/~dbratman/sonata.html#2)) as a template for the movement.

Movements 2 and 3 should be a bit easier to write, since both of them usually utilize forms that are much easier for me to grasp (ABA or Theme and Variations)  :P

The finale, however.. that will be a challenge. The themes I used in the first movement have been stewing in my head for quite a while now, since my first attempts at making a symphony movement. I guess I'll just have to practice coming up with decent melody  :P

Thanks again!
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Post by: Calvin6s on May 05, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
Thanks! I'll be showing off the movement in my composition club tomorrow.

So this is a school related project?  If so, care to share some of the books used in the class?  I personally don't have an interest in writing a symphony other than to push my mind in different directions so I am less likely to repeat myself ... myself.

I can't comment yet because the track is still playing for me right now, but so far so good.
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Post by: Lucien on May 05, 2015, 10:22:25 PM
Thanks! I'll be showing off the movement in my composition club tomorrow.

So this is a school related project?  If so, care to share some of the books used in the class?  I personally don't have an interest in writing a symphony other than to push my mind in different directions so I am less likely to repeat myself ... myself.

I can't comment yet because the track is still playing for me right now, but so far so good.

This is actually unrelated to school. Sure, I'm in college majoring in Music Education, but I'm not in any composition classes, just music theory and ear training classes which have helped me write music that can satisfy my ear, and have helped my ears tune into what is and isn't satisfying. The composition club is just a group of music majors that write music and show it off. I'm writing the symphony for fun.

https://www.amazon.com/Musicians-Theory-Analysis-Second-Edition/dp/0393930815

That's the college textbook I have to have for the 4 semesters I take of Music Theory. However, most (if not all, I haven't actually tried this myself) of the information in that book can be found here:

https://www.musictheory.net/

Theoretically (heheh), you should be able to learn all the same things I'm learning in my theory class from the ground up as a person with no musical knowledge (I don't know if you know music at all).

So yeah, try that site.
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Post by: Calvin6s on May 05, 2015, 10:56:16 PM
Thanks for the info.  I have all the fundamentals down (and some forgotten) and the 4 part writing using triads and 7th to altered chords.  Some cadence work, etc.  But because music is just a hobby for me, I had to drop the classes in the middle of the second semester.  I bought the other books going up to 20th century music at the college bookstore.  But I'm always looking for a different take.  More about the big picture such as chord progressions and composition.  There are tons of books out there, but colleges are usually good about finding the better books.

Once again thanks.  And great work on your Symphony so far.
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Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 06, 2015, 01:41:13 AM
What program are you using?
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Post by: Lucien on May 06, 2015, 09:22:20 AM
What program are you using?

https://musescore.org/

It's great.
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Post by: Onno on May 08, 2015, 01:52:28 AM
I sung in what was probably the hardest concert of my life so far. One hour of a cappella music that was at best "pretty tricky" and at worst "fucking insane". Our conductor actually told me in private that he had no idea what possessed him to put together such a tricky program lol.

Anyway, it was good. We were all very pleased with the concert, especially considering the difficulty. The one thing that was sad though was the low turnout - maybe 100 people, tops had come. :(
That's cool. Sorry to hear that the turnout was so low, that's always a bummer, especially if your concert goes well and the program is interesting.

My choir had a concert a week ago playing Rhapsody in Blue and some old musical songs. I didn't participate because I missed too many rehearsals, but I did go to see them play. I wasn't really expecting much since I didn't like the musical songs, but it was way better than expected.

Now, we're back to rehearsing Bach's Hohe Messe. Four more rehearsals to go, and after that we're playing two shows in the Netherlands and then we're going to Italy for a four-show tour!
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Post by: Scorpion on May 08, 2015, 01:53:48 AM
The Hohe Messe is amazing. One of my favourite Bach works - the Agnus Dei, especially, is beautiful.
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Post by: Onno on May 08, 2015, 02:23:29 AM
Agreed. I wasn't too much of a Bach fan before, but his music is so complicated that I think you either have to have lots of classical listening experience or have to perform one of his works to start to see how brilliant it is. That surely was the case for me; I've only been listening to classical music for some 3-4 years and I finally start to see how brilliant his music is. My favourite parts of the Hohe Messe are probably the Et Resurrexit and the Confiteor/Et Expecto.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 08, 2015, 02:46:54 AM
I hope that I'll be able to sing it some time, that would definitely be amazing.

Btw, this was the centerpiece of our difficult-as-balls concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz_-5KWdt2A

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Post by: Onno on May 08, 2015, 07:19:15 AM
I have very little singing technique, but I have pretty good pitch, so after lots of practice I now am able to sing it. Our choir isn't one of the best since it's a student choir and orchestra, but at least I think we manage to sound pretty decent. So I think you should be able to sing it as well, given that you would practice enough  :)
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Post by: Scorpion on May 08, 2015, 07:21:41 AM
Yeah, I think I'd be able to, but Bach isn't easy in general.
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Post by: Onno on May 08, 2015, 07:25:57 AM
Oh yes, you're right there. The first time we reheared the Hohe Messe....  :omg:

By the way, the Hessenberg piece is pretty cool. Sounds difficult as well. Last autumn, our choir performed parts of Rachmaninoff's Liturgy of St. Chrysostom - that was really cool to do as well, though I don't think it was nearly as difficult as the piece you posted. It was fun to do as a bass though, with lots of D2s, an occasional C2 and a Bb1 at one point  :lol
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2015, 03:54:20 AM
Some of the shittiest music we had to learn on my degree was by chick corea.

The two we had to learn were " Got A Match ? " and " Spain ".

I loathed both of them. Unlike most people on my degree - I left hating jazz even more than before I went. . .
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 10, 2015, 02:41:06 PM
Some of the shittiest music we had to learn on my degree was by chick corea.

The two we had to learn were " Got A Match ? " and " Spain ".

I loathed both of them. Unlike most people on my degree - I left hating jazz even more than before I went. . .

Haha, both classics, I've learned those too. I must say that I like that side of Jazz music a bit more than all the blue note, tsjing-tsj-tsj-tsjing music. The middle of the road kind of jazz.

I have a lot of respect for the keyboard player who actually turns knobs, pulls levers, and actively tweaks their sounds while playing. It soundd and looks much more organic and natural.

I know I'm late, but chiming in on the entire keyboard programming discussion. I've made a 180 degree turn in that over the last couple of years. I started with buying a NordStage, with the possibility to load up about 128 different pre sets. Wonderful stuff. I've toiled around with that a couple of years. With my cover band the setlist changes from night to night, so I'd be loading up the setlist every afternoon before a gig.
The biggest flaw in that is when you play often. It's pretty boring to play the same song over and over, and I know you can try to get as close to perfection as possible, but that's simply not how it works for me. But playing the same song, and knowing it will sound EXACTLY the same because of your presets, is awful. I couldn't stand it.
Then there was a grey area where I started to buy material, and stopped programming the setlist. Now I've got 4 keyboards on stage, and while they each have sounds that I use every night, they're not in that order. I just use the instruments. Which actually feels a lot more like playing music  :lol

And don't call me a nerd, Orbert!  ;)
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Post by: Orbert on May 10, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
Okay, I'll just call you a "real keyboard player".

There's comfort in knowing exactly what you'll get when you pull up a certain patch.  Then after a while, yeah, if you're doing it every night, it can get a bit boring and samey.  We tended to mess around with the set list a bit, though, so that helped.  Some songs were reserved for the last set, the real rippers; newer or weaker songs were usually first set when not as many people will hear it and we'd get a chance to play them again.  I keep a list of songs and patches taped to the keyboard, so I can pull up any song and not have to worry about it.  Aside from a genuine synth solo (which I never get), that really about as much on-the-fly as I like during a live performance.
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Post by: Orbert on May 10, 2015, 05:04:52 PM
Speaking of live performance, this is from this morning.  For Mother's Day, our choir director gave the ladies the day off, so the men sang a silly song.  We wore hats.

(https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/11259345_10203822021822764_1293267953344572514_o.jpg)

Every picture of our choir looks like this.  Everybody else's faces are buried in the music, and I'm making eye contact with the audience congregation.  The song was simple; I had it memorized after the second time through, and I guess I just figured everyone else would, too.  Literally half of the song was the same words over and over.  I thought it would be cool to take it all the way, do silly hand motions or whatever, but the other guys wanted their music.  I flipped mine open and held it the whole song, but never looked at it, never turned the pages.

I don't know.  I don't know if that's "wrong" or what.  But singing in a choir is, to me, not that different from any other musical ensemble.  Make eye contact, look like you're actually enjoying the song.  If I have to, I glance down and read the next line, then look up and sing it.  Guys, it's not that hard.  I'm not trying to show up the others, but I'm not gonna bury my face in the music, either.  I can't do that.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 10, 2015, 11:26:11 PM
A fucking men.

At our choir rehearsals, we have to start everything at least twice because people are looking into their music which causes them to not be able to read the tempo our conductor wants. Rather annoying.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 11, 2015, 02:26:46 AM
Oh totally. Last night I had a discussion with my dad about a Dutch classical ensemble, way too corny, usually not that great, but the conductor forbids sheet music, so that the instrumentalists can make contact with the audience. It's really strange that in classical music no one ever makes contact with the audience. The only one would be the conductor, but he is even facing the wrong way! ;)
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2015, 03:08:38 AM
Some of the shittiest music we had to learn on my degree was by chick corea.

The two we had to learn were " Got A Match ? " and " Spain ".

I loathed both of them. Unlike most people on my degree - I left hating jazz even more than before I went. . .

Haha, both classics, I've learned those too. I must say that I like that side of Jazz music a bit more than all the blue note, tsjing-tsj-tsj-tsjing music. The middle of the road kind of jazz.




We didn't have to play it at that tempo - but when we got our sheet music for Got A Match? We all assumed that 320BPM was a joke or a page number.

It doesn't need to be that speed...I looked up live videos of it and there's no groove or feel to it at all.

It made me think that people assume that metal or prog is all fast for the sake of it but then there's stuff like Got A Match which is just way too fast.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 11, 2015, 03:16:30 AM
I vividly remember all the discussions with the jazz lovers about feel, groove and melody. Prog and Jazz fans are the biggest snobs in the music world (well, together with classical music listeners, but they don't even know that there's other music out there, so that doesn't count), so we never reached a consensus. I mean, what's the actual difference between a Charlie Parker solo and say a fast Guthrie Govan solo? Just the fact that Charlie Parker changes keys and scales more often?
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2015, 03:54:18 AM
Before I went I knew we'd be subjected to a shit ton of jazz and charts. I also knew that there would be several students who would pretend to enjoy it because they think they should.

I hated Jazz before I went and I hated it even more after I left. I've never seen the appeal of that kind of music. I get nothing out of it melodically, rhythmically, harmonically.

Quartal harmony to me sounds like when someone plays guitar who's never played one before and they just play all the strings with one finger up and down the neck.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 08:10:14 AM
My youngest daughter has been taking trumpet all year at school, and she is getting pretty good.  I recently introduced her to Chicago, which she loved.

She also started ukelele lessons last night, and can already play a few pieces.

My oldest daughter plays guitar, piano, percussion/pit instruments (marching band), and dabbles in violin and bass.

I play guitar and drums and dabble in bass.  I can also sing.

My wife sings, very well too I might add.

Maybe we can be a new Partridge Family or something.
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Post by: Orbert on May 13, 2015, 10:26:20 AM
I had dreams of such a thing, years ago.  My wife and I are both musicians, and our kids have both inherited a certain degree of talent.  The problem is that they have no interest.  My son took orchestra, then band, then guitar (they teach guitar at the high school), then... nothing.  After quitting each of them, he's never looked back.  He'd rather play video games.

My daughter has more talent and more interest, but less free time and something had to go.  She took orchestra and stuck with it for three or four years, also took guitar, and now has no time due to skating, work, and of course school.

So no Partridge Family: The Next Generation in the Orbert house.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
We have done a version of that.  For a few years, my wife and I occasionally did acoustic shows at various churches and a local Christian coffee house - her singing lead, me playing guitar and singing backup, and my eldest playing percussion.  That was fun.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 13, 2015, 12:32:09 PM
I've known for a very long time that i'm not destined to be a successful musician.
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Post by: Tick on May 13, 2015, 01:10:32 PM
I'm disappointed no one has bothered to listen to my original music. I'm proud of what I'm doing right now. Oh well.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 13, 2015, 01:14:53 PM
I know. It's so difficult to get people interested in your original music...
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Post by: Tick on May 13, 2015, 01:25:29 PM
I know. It's so difficult to get people interested in your original music...
I love original music! I appreciate musicians who make the effort! Especially when its quality! I can't stand juke box cover bands! They all suck in my neck of the woods. Terrible waste of time for me to be bothered listening to crappy cover bands in bars filled with drunken stunods.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 13, 2015, 05:19:04 PM
I'm disappointed no one has bothered to listen to my original music. I'm proud of what I'm doing right now. Oh well.

I know. It's so difficult to get people interested in your original music...

I know the feeling, I remember posting my music thread that noone ever listened to, or commented on.  It made me second guess myself a lot, but meh I dunno.  If you're playing gigs and stuff and you know people are into it round your neck of the woods then you probably shouldn't worry about a couple posts, or lack thereof, on an internet forum
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 01:14:37 AM
Lack of comments are disappointing sometimes, indeed. But after 8 years of writing, it's still the love of creating that keeps me going, not comments I get on the internet, even if those are obviously always appreciated when it happens.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 14, 2015, 02:32:22 AM
Lack of comments are disappointing sometimes, indeed. But after 8 years of writing, it's still the love of creating that keeps me going, not comments I get on the internet, even if those are obviously always appreciated when it happens.

I've written hours of music in the last 5 years, but I've never even played anyone most of my tunes. I like the fact that I'm exploring my own creativity, and when I finally get some sort of finished product, or the time is right, I'll make sure everyone hears it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Tick on May 14, 2015, 06:11:51 AM
Lack of comments are disappointing sometimes, indeed. But after 8 years of writing, it's still the love of creating that keeps me going, not comments I get on the internet, even if those are obviously always appreciated when it happens.
I hear ya. I do it because I love it. In your mind you think when you post something everyone is going to want to hear what your doing. People are busy and only have so much time for stuff like that. I do understand.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 14, 2015, 06:55:55 AM
I gotta be honest, I don't come here to check out original music, and part of that is because I'm usually surfing at work and can't hear anything anyway, and the other part is mostly because if I'm surfing from home, I have tunes on, and I'm just too fucking lazy.  I would have to pause my tunes, and click a link.  That's just too much effort for me.

Lucien wrote the opening movement to a symphony.  A symphony!  I had to check that out.  But really, I'm rarely in the mood to check out new music, by the members here or anyone else.  I'm old and set in my ways, and I just want to listen to the same shit I've been listening to for 40 years.

I suppose that if there was any place where the "quality" of original composition could be presumed to be higher than average, it would be a place like this, so I should probably make more of an effort.  If I ever manage to get my shit together and write down some of the things that have been floating around in my head for decades, I would want to share it and see what people think.  But it's hard to get other people interested in even checking it out.  I'm sure you understand.

Quote from: Tick
I do understand.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2015, 07:06:17 AM
Tick, I will try to make time to check out your stuff this weekend.  I am interested.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Tick on May 14, 2015, 07:59:10 AM
I gotta be honest, I don't come here to check out original music, and part of that is because I'm usually surfing at work and can't hear anything anyway, and the other part is mostly because if I'm surfing from home, I have tunes on, and I'm just too fucking lazy.  I would have to pause my tunes, and click a link.  That's just too much effort for me.

Lucien wrote the opening movement to a symphony.  A symphony!  I had to check that out.  But really, I'm rarely in the mood to check out new music, by the members here or anyone else.  I'm old and set in my ways, and I just want to listen to the same shit I've been listening to for 40 years.

I suppose that if there was any place where the "quality" of original composition could be presumed to be higher than average, it would be a place like this, so I should probably make more of an effort.  If I ever manage to get my shit together and write down some of the things that have been floating around in my head for decades, I would want to share it and see what people think.  But it's hard to get other people interested in even checking it out.  I'm sure you understand.

Quote from: Tick
I do understand.
Thanks for putting that sentence to good use!
Tick, I will try to make time to check out your stuff this weekend.  I am interested.
Thanks, Hef! :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on May 14, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
Is it bad form to put a link to one's "check out my music" in their sig.  I was going to check out Tick's, but I wasn't sure where it was here and I didn't have time to do a search.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
Is it bad form to put a link to one's "check out my music" in their sig.
Nope.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 14, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Is it bad form to put a link to one's "check out my music" in their sig.
Nope.

On the contrary, I'd love to see that! For everybody that is composing.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Tick on May 14, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
Is it bad form to put a link to one's "check out my music" in their sig.  I was going to check out Tick's, but I wasn't sure where it was here and I didn't have time to do a search.
I'm clueless on that but here ya go! :biggrin:
https://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/23516134?utm_campaign=a_public_songs&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=page_object_news_item
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 17, 2015, 01:48:32 AM
A guy I used to work with has a band and I went to see them play last night. Turns out their bass player is Per Wiberg, former keyboard player for Opeth. That was pretty cool. Killer gig too.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 17, 2015, 06:04:35 AM
I'm not sure why, but it always blows me away when someone you know actually knows and/or plays with someone "famous".  Opeth isn't super-huge, but they're big time, I mean a real band with CDs and everything, so even being in a band with their former keyboard player is like a brush with greatness.  Just a few degrees of separation and all that.

Our drummer used to do a lot of session work in the Chicago area, including a gig at the Trump Tower for the Australian Consulate, and he toured with Bette Midler for a while.  Our last bass player is also a local actor and recently worked on a movie with Alicia Silverstone.  I figure that's about as close to brushing with famous people as I'm ever gonna get.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 17, 2015, 09:37:12 AM
I was just reading here and seeing people just rip into cover bands. What about bands like mine, who "cover" a song, but in a different style? Again, going back to my band as an example, taking DT songs, but doing it in chiptune (video game music) style. Just interested in people's opinions on this?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 17, 2015, 10:47:33 AM
I think it takes both guts and creativity to play someone else's song, but change it and make it your own.  I grew up in the 70's, which meant I heard all the Manfred Mann cover version of Bruce Springsteen songs (they had three altogether which were hits) and never realized that they were covers.  Then when I heard Bruce's originals, even though I liked Bruce at the time, I was kinda disappointed.  I mean, disappointed in the originals.  The songs themselves were quite basic, not much more than voice and guitar, but Manfred Mann had taken them and really done something unique with them.

All that said, I'm not sure how it would work with a bar band doing their own take on a known song.  With DT, it could probably work because most people wouldn't know the original song, so they'd just hear a song and judge the performance on its own merits.  That's actually good.  But I'm guessing that for the few who do recognize the song, their reaction would be "WTF?  They've completely changed the song!  What is this?"  Seeing it played live in a bar is a one-and-done deal.  There's not much time for the audience to get to appreciate what you've done with the arrangement, because they first have to get over the shock that they recognize the song and your band "isn't playing it right".

It can work.  People can be open-minded and enjoy what you've done with it.  But man, it's risky.  That's why I say it take both guts and creativity to do something like that.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 17, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
hmm, interesting. So far, we've not really gotten any negativity, I guess nobody noticed that it was anything related to Dream Theater  :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 17, 2015, 06:13:11 PM
If anyone recognized it as a Dream Theater song, I'm sure they'd let you know.  If I ever heard someone playing DT in a bar, I would be absolutely sure to let them know that I recognized it.

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In other news, I played some Frank Zappa in church today.  Okay, just one measure, but it was some.  I've been learning "Evelyn, A Modified Dog" for my own amusement, and it's in A, and starts with a wacky E7 arpeggio.  Our opening song today in church is in A, and I was playing the piano for it, so I did the "Evelyn" arpeggio, then kicked into the regular song.

So it wasn't much, and I was the only one in the building who even knew what I'd done, but I did it, and yeah, I'm proud of it.  I played some Frank Zappa, and segued into "Halle, Halle, Hallelujah!"  (Frank would not have been proud.)  You have to take these little accomplishments where you can get them.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 18, 2015, 02:14:52 AM
I'd love to do stuff like that while I'm working. I teach music to 12-13 year olds, and when we're singing some random popsong, I'd love to pop in some whackey suspended dominant, or other chords.


And Tick: listening to your music right now, sounds cool! Straight rock song, not really my cup of tea, but the live songs sound great!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 18, 2015, 06:55:01 AM
In other news, I played some Frank Zappa in church today.  Okay, just one measure, but it was some.  I've been learning "Evelyn, A Modified Dog" for my own amusement, and it's in A, and starts with a wacky E7 arpeggio.  Our opening song today in church is in A, and I was playing the piano for it, so I did the "Evelyn" arpeggio, then kicked into the regular song.

So it wasn't much, and I was the only one in the building who even knew what I'd done, but I did it, and yeah, I'm proud of it.  I played some Frank Zappa, and segued into "Halle, Halle, Hallelujah!"  (Frank would not have been proud.)  You have to take these little accomplishments where you can get them.

Haha, that's great.  I like sneaking in little stuff like that during worship.  I remember sneaking the chords (or an approximation of them - as close as I could get in standard tuning) for Zep's Rain Song into one particular song.  There's a Bon Iver chord progression that I like to pop in when I can, also some Florence and The Machine and a Joanna Newsom progression I'm particularly fond of.  I'm not sure I ever got any Zappa in, although I may have popped the main theme from Peaches En Regalia into one of our pre-service jams.  Good fun, I can't wait for the day someone notices them :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Tick on May 18, 2015, 08:01:36 AM
I'd love to do stuff like that while I'm working. I teach music to 12-13 year olds, and when we're singing some random popsong, I'd love to pop in some whackey suspended dominant, or other chords.


And Tick: listening to your music right now, sounds cool! Straight rock song, not really my cup of tea, but the live songs sound great!
Thanks for listening! :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 11:29:50 AM
Last week at our church we did a "combined" service (traditional and contemporary together - which is not normally my preference).  Our worship band was asked to do "Lord I Lift Your Name On High" which is completely boring, so we worked up an arrangement that sounded like Steve Miller's "The Joker."
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 18, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
Last week at our church we did a "combined" service (traditional and contemporary together - which is not normally my preference).  Our worship band was asked to do "Lord I Lift Your Name On High" which is completely boring, so we worked up an arrangement that sounded like Steve Miller's "The Joker."
Your churches sound cool. Mine's just full of pensioners singing "jesus take the wheel" and such-like. Maybe we should start singing songs with rock in them. That would be great!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
We tend to rock it out.  For the time being, I am back on drums, and we have a good time with it, complete with guitar solos, trashcan endings, the works.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 18, 2015, 12:27:13 PM
I need to give my church tips on how to be cool
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
I need to give my church tips on how to be cool
I think that if we tried to be cool, it would fail.  We are just being ourselves, and cool is what comes out lol.

We have an interesting group of backgrounds among our members - metal, Southern rock, prog, bluegrass, classic rock, country, blues, jazz, formal symphonic/choral, etc.  It's an interesting mix.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 18, 2015, 12:52:44 PM
I think I've told this story before, possibly in this same thread, but I don't care.  It's relevant.

A couple years ago, I was asked to fill in and accompany the children's choir at the last minute, as the regular accompanist couldn't make it.  The service started in 15 minutes, the accompanist had the music; all the director had was a photocopy of the song, actually just the melody.  Just the one song.  The song was "Lord, I Lift Your Name on High".  I remember it was in G.

I found an empty room with a piano and quickly worked out  the chords.  I've heard the song a few times, but had never played it.  I wrote the chords right on the paper, since it was my copy.  Found the choir director again, and she said that they're doing three verses, which is literally the same verse three times.  Yeah, completely boring.

So when it came time to actually play the song, I did the first verse pretty straight and simple, then kinda chopped up the rhythm for the second verse, with stop-time chords and a little syncopation (the kids had no idea and just kept singing the song straight, so it sounded pretty cool), then for the third verse it was straight again, but with a little extra rhythm and flair for the big finish.  Turned a pretty straightforward song into something almost interesting.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 12:55:27 PM
We do it in G as well.

Not only is not musically interesting on its own, I've probably played it 300 times over the last 20 years.  Yuck.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on May 18, 2015, 01:01:59 PM
So.

I had a concert on Saturday, it was supposed to be a huge thing - choir and orchestra, 300 people in total, outdoor.

The snag? It started raining like five minutes before the concert should begin.

The orchestra didn't want their instruments to get wet - which I understand - so we ended up improvising and doing most of the stuff choir only. That was actually pretty cool, because during rehearsals, the orchestra had been quite overpoweringly loud.

What was less cool was singing in the rain, but luckily the rain stopped about an hour in. After that, it really was pretty dang cool.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 02:06:58 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 18, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Were you all like (https://33.media.tumblr.com/2d3616eb00e249a6497fab658733e13b/tumblr_miyrj5paut1qh8jfmo1_400.gif)?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on May 18, 2015, 02:31:44 PM
No.

I was wearing a cheap plastic rainponcho and looking like a massive tool.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 18, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
No.

I was wearing a cheap plastic rainponcho and looking like a massive tool.
That's disappointing 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on May 22, 2015, 12:58:13 AM
So I wrote a short, semi-atonal thing, (https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/887116) just to keep my mind at work while I mess with things for the second movement of my symphony. I think I like it, though I'm not usually very fond of atonality.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Onno on May 22, 2015, 03:16:19 AM
That sounded really cool Lucien  :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 22, 2015, 06:58:07 AM
So I wrote a short, semi-atonal thing, (https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/887116) just to keep my mind at work while I mess with things for the second movement of my symphony. I think I like it, though I'm not usually very fond of atonality.

That's dark! But I liked it too. Especially the end, I like how it builds up and that the rest in the final measure sounds like a relief.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on May 22, 2015, 09:46:35 AM
Thanks guys  ;D

I should write more music at 1:30 in the morning
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 04:20:55 AM
Proud Papa!  Here is my daughter playing trumpet at her very first school band concert from Tuesday night.  She is in sixth grade, and I am thankful that she attends the only school in the area that ISN'T cutting the arts.  She is second from the right.  The piece was composed by two other students.

https://www.facebook.com/hefdaddy42
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 28, 2015, 04:27:30 AM
Goddamit, the kids of people on DTF are better than me!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 04:52:07 AM
Goddamit, the kids of people on DTF are better than me!
:lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 05:13:49 AM
Haha. That doesn't bother me. I'm as good on guitar as *I* want to be.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 28, 2015, 05:28:46 AM
Sadly, I can't play guitar, I can play drums (admittedly, badly) and I can play the keyboard/synth (although again, badly)  :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Scorpion on May 28, 2015, 02:18:21 PM
For anybody interested listening to an hour of choir music from the 20th century in German, English and Latin, click the link below for a concert of my choir that I had talked about in the thread a little already. It was VERY demanding, but damn was it cool.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r0teru91pfwx8vg/AADZ9nz435gNVUUCwzg1dtCRa?dl=0
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 28, 2015, 04:41:51 PM
Meanwhile, in my church,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYOHGXED-wY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYOHGXED-wY)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Onno on May 28, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
For anybody interested listening to an hour of choir music from the 20th century in German, English and Latin, click the link below for a concert of my choir that I had talked about in the thread a little already. It was VERY demanding, but damn was it cool.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r0teru91pfwx8vg/AADZ9nz435gNVUUCwzg1dtCRa?dl=0
Will check it out!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 04, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
Me, the first guitarist, and the second guitarist/keyboard player of my band decided today that our drummer is not fit to be in this band, since he does not seem to take it seriously, doesn't practise, and doesn't even really like the genre we play. I have pushed those thoughts away for quite some time, since I didn't want to kick someone out of the band we started as four friends just having some fun playing together. But over the last few months it has become apparent that me and the two others are starting to actually take this a bit seriously, and we have yet (because of the drummer) been unable to play through a single song completely (!).

I have long suspected that he doesn't even really want to be in the band, so hopefully it won't be too much of a deal for him.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
Gotta be done.  Sad but true.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 04, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
Yeah, if a band has goals, then everyone in the band has to share those same goals.  You are a unit.  It can't work if any one of you isn't trying to do the same thing as the others, whether it's the song you're playing or the long-time goals you're trying to achieve.

The band I'm in now (subject of much drama upthread) is dealing with some of the same issues because it did just start as a bunch of guys wanting to play some tunes in John's basement and just enjoy making music.  But John "accidentally" put together a pretty talented group, and now the goal is to try to actually gig and make a little money.  Our lead singer quit because of that (it became less fun and more like work) and honestly, I'm not sure how enthusiastic about it I am anymore.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 05, 2015, 02:06:24 AM
I guess that's something that's gotta be done. My band had a guy like that until a couple of months ago. He hated the style of music, and was basically ruining the project with negativity. Thankfully, we didn't have to tell him anything. He left on his own accord.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 05, 2015, 02:54:14 AM
It's difficult having to make those kinds of decisions, especially when there is a lack of talented musicians around.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 05, 2015, 06:57:34 AM
The idea of being able to gig without it seeming like work is something that seems like it should be pretty easy to pull off.  We all love to play, it should be a no-brainer.  But somehow, it's a tough balance to achieve.  My most recent band, the singer would play anywhere, anytime, ANYTHING to put this band in front of people.  The bass player and I did not ever intend for the band to be the primary focus in our lives.  He has two teenage kids, a job, a wife, etc.  I have a teenage step son, a wife, a job, etc.  We have social lives and vacations and responsibilities and friends.  Last year, in 13 weeks, from August through November, we did 11 gigs, 2 of which were in one day.

It's one of the reasons I had to just cut out and take a break.  My bass player recently followed suit, since they weren't going out of their way to get someone new in to replace me.  Instead, every time I'd come fill in for a gig, the singer would get drunk and pressure me to return, instead of setting up a time to talk sober about the issues I had.  Then on top of it, I was constantly having to reign in our drummer who was wildly inconsistent, timing-wise, our other guitarist I could never hear, because he insisted on being quieter than me because I was the lead guitarist.  All of this was just too much.  Nobody would get off their ass and learn new songs or even learn little things in songs that I had to point out 30 times.  Things that were important cues or things like that.  It was a bummer, because we had great potential to be a serious force on the scene, but everybody was too busy trying to shoot the band in the foot for that to happen.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 05, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
I'm not gonna say "been there, done that" because I haven't experienced some of the issues you describe, but they certainly sound like things that can't be too uncommon.  When you're a bunch of high school punks, you're doing it for the fun of playing, and maybe to impress chicks, and it's not like you have a whole hell of a lot going on in your life otherwise.  But obviously the vast majority of high school garage/basement bands don't have any real talent.

The bands I've played with in my "adult years" have been much, much better in terms of talent and people willing to actually put in the time, but we also have lots of other shit going on which places demands on our time.  Families and jobs are the biggies, obviously, so the band automatically is at least third on the list of priorities for everyone.  Also, since we're not stupid punks with stars in our eyes, none of us are under any illusion that we're going to make it big or even see the band become our primary source of income.  So it's "just a hobby" pretty much by definition, but one that has to have the aligned efforts of everyone involved.  That's the hard part.  We have six people in our band, which makes it nearly impossible to even schedule rehearsals.  Incredibly, we found a time that works.  Every other Saturday.  That alone takes a commitment that's much harder to make as an adult than it would be as a kid.

As for playing in the band seeming like work, that's a weird one, as you point out.  We all love to play, we all want the band to succeed, it should be easy.  But the aforementioned conflicting priorities mess with that big time.  Then there's the whole issue where you want to sound the best you can, and you're mature enough to you know when you don't.  It's easy for good musicians to get together and play and sound pretty good.  Getting to where you sound really good takes effort.  You can be better than 80% of the other bands around, but that still won't get you gigs.  You need to be in the top 10% or even top 5%, and that takes work.  So your hobby suddenly has this whole other side of it that's not necessarily fun, it's actual work.  Everyone has to know every song, every fucking note, and it has to be tight.  That takes work.  The fun comes after you've put the effort in and you're in front of a crowd and they're digging it, but it takes work to get there.  It's not that no one wants to put in the effort; we just don't have the kind of time it takes to get there.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 05, 2015, 10:53:07 AM
Right and the unfortunate thing around my area is that there are a lot of bands that get out there and do a half-assed job of it, but I truly do not think they realize it.  The market is so saturated with mediocre bands, that trying to put a truly great band together and get it noticed is difficult.  I take no joy in being critical, but I cannot tell you how often I go out to see bands and the mistakes (that may not even be noticeable to the average person) stand out like a sore thumb to me.  Not even necessarily mistakes, but not playing something the right way.  An example, albeit not a great one: on Metal Health, in the verse - bass rides the A.  Guitars play A, B/A, C/A, B/A.  Just before the chorus, they go A5, B5, C5, D5.  Bass goes A-A-C-D.  When bassists go A-B-C-D, it makes me nuts.

That's a very small thing and some would say "What's the big deal?"  Actually, I imagine lots of people would say "what's the big deal".  The big deal is play the song correctly and make it the best recreation of the original that you are capable of delivering.  I do my best to make my part of what we do the best that it can be.  When "good enough" is good enough for everyone else, my experience has been that "good enough" is musician-speak for "I don't want to go out of my way to learn this song any differently than I already think I know it".

I seriously wanted to float the idea of being the band's musical director.  Like how Waddy Wachtel is for Stevie Nicks.  Overseeing everything and making sure it is up to snuff, for lack of a better term.  The problem is, while most bands could actually benefit from someone taking on that kind of role, it will almost never fly, especially in local bands, because it makes everyone else's ego hurt.  And I totally get that.  Plus then you become the bad guy, that nothing's ever good enough for, etc.  But I still think that a band could benefit form it, especially when it's someone who has a very good ear and understanding of music in the theoretical sense.

I get that beggars can't be choosers.  It's supposed to be fun and it's supposed to be part time.  This isn't our livelihood.  I just have never been in agreement that if you play an instrument and you want to be in a band, even on a part time basis, that having fun AND delivering a tight and accurate representation of the material cannot exist hand-in-hand.  My bass player has told me a number of times that he can't just hear things on a recording and pick them out.  Like in "Panama", there's a short little bass fill the measure before the verse.  He will never hear it and therefore will never play it.  I recognize that I am VERY lucky to be able to hear things like this, but I sometimes feel like it's a curse, because I'm wishing for all these little things that I hear to happen in the music when we play it and in reality, they're probably never going to happen, unless I point them out and show it to someone.  Then not only am I "doing the work" for someone else, I (again) fear becoming the guy who nothing is good enough for.

I'm rambling, really.  I just want to play part time in a band where everybody "gets it" and pulls off everything the way it should be done.  There are SOOOOOOO many musicians in my area, that this can't be an impossibility.  Yet I fear that it kinda is.

I'm way too particular about music and the people that I play with.  I readily admit that.  I want any band I'm in to come across like a lion, when usually, they're equipped to come across like a very menacing house cat.  I wish there was a way to turn off that switch in my head that makes me so particular, that makes me hear another band perform and in my head notice all the glaring issues, that makes me always want to push my bandmates to be better and better when they may not have it in them.  I don't think I can.
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Post by: Orbert on June 05, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
You sound like the guys in my band.  That's a good thing.  Our goal is to replicate the song as closely as possible, we all have good ears for picking out our parts, and we tend to get them down.  Rehearsals are spent putting the pieces together, as they should be, not for people to actually learn their parts.  The main exception is John, and since it's his band and his basement, he's not going anywhere.  And it's kinda weird.  Overall, it's pretty rare, but once in a while, we'll go to put a tune together, and he'll play something that actually sounds okay, but it's not what's on the record.  It's like his fingers naturally did it a certain way, and his ears never noticed that it wasn't right.  Steve (the other guitarist) will always correct him, every time, and that's fine with me because I hear it too, but I don't play guitar so I let Steve explain it to him.

Fortunately, we have two things going for us: (1) we have a rule in our band that anyone can correct anyone else.  If the drummer hears something that the singer is doing wrong, or the guitarist hears something that the bassist is doing wrong, or whatever, they are allowed to say so.  Check your egos at the door; we're all here to do this right.  (2) I always have my iPod, with every song on it.  My iPod is run through my amp because that's how I practice at home, and at band rehearsals my amp has a line out to the board, so if there's ever a need for clarification, I pull up the song and we can all listen to it through the monitors.

So it's kinda funky that John, the leader of the band, is probably the weakest link.  Or maybe not so weird.  He's the only one we can't fire for not getting his parts right all the time!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2015, 11:30:26 AM
My only basis of comparison is our band at church. 

When we are working on songs, we aren't concerned with "getting it exactly like the record" as much as "getting the gist of it".  Of course, that's for a couple of different reasons.

1) We aren't working on one set of songs to play over and over again, but a different group of 6-8 songs each week - there just isn't time to be that precise; and

2) A lot of the songs we do have been covered multiple times by multiple artists, each with their own "twist", so we see it as doing it with OUR twist, OUR way.

But if I was in a real band, I would feel more like you guys.

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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 05, 2015, 11:39:42 AM
Rehearsals are spent putting the pieces together, as they should be, not for people to actually learn their parts.

Tat right there is what I've always tried to preach.  Learn your parts 100% on your own time.  Band practice is for bringing those already learned parts together and making them one.  Not for learning the song, which is something I dealt with a lot also.  A previous band I was in, we'd leave practice and say learn these two songs for next week.  Next week, we'd show up, bang both songs out and have them very well done and pretty much ready to play out.  Almost every week this happened.  It was glorious.  Stuff like Thin Lizzy's Cowboy Song, for example, with harmony guitar parts and even harmony bass guitar bits.  It was beautiful.  That band isn't around anymore, but ever since, I've longed to be back in that well-oiled of a machine.

I've always asked my band members to point out to me anything I wasn't getting right, so that I wouldn't feel bad about pointing out anything I noticed.  I always did the same with having a recording of the song readily available for us to listen to.  I just wish everyone had had the commitment to the music that I had.  For my singer and my drummer, they were more committed to playing out often.  It was more important to be seen at all than to be seen as really really awesome.
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Post by: Orbert on June 05, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
My only basis of comparison is our band at church. 

But if I was in a real band, I would feel more like you guys.

That's why I love getting the other side of things, by playing in the church band.  Because of our wacky instrumentation, it's a given that we won't sound like the CD, but then again, there are at least two or three versions of most songs we do, so ours will just be another version.  I love that, getting to put our own spin on songs.  It truly is our version of the song.

But I always send out mp3's of the versions I'm using as our starting point.  At the very least, they need to know the songs.  The words and phrasing, etc.  In the email, I'll point out that the lead guitar line will be played on electric violin, who will be singing which parts, etc., and for the horns and guitars, I've got charts.  So it's nothing like anyone has ever heard before, but it's still the song.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2015, 12:08:48 PM
My only basis of comparison is our band at church. 

But if I was in a real band, I would feel more like you guys.

That's why I love getting the other side of things, by playing in the church band.  Because of our wacky instrumentation, it's a given that we won't sound like the CD, but then again, there are at least two or three versions of most songs we do, so ours will just be another version.  I love that, getting to put our own spin on songs.  It truly is our version of the song.

But I always send out mp3's of the versions I'm using as our starting point.  At the very least, they need to know the songs.  The words and phrasing, etc.  In the email, I'll point out that the lead guitar line will be played on electric violin, who will be singing which parts, etc., and for the horns and guitars, I've got charts.  So it's nothing like anyone has ever heard before, but it's still the song.
Yeah, I get that totally.  Our music director sends out youtube links of the versions we will base our versions from.

But then invariably we change keys to better suit someone's voice.  Or add an instrumental part where there wasn't one.  Or use the bridge as an intro, or repeat the chorus at the end, or do a reprise, or just flat out alter the chord progression because we think the one on the studio version is stupid.

Or whatever.  On good rehearsal nights, its incredibly rewarding and fun.  On bad nights, it is drudgery.

BTW, next month we are actually going to have another "concert" (playing at a local Chik-Fil-A lol), and we spent time at rehearsal last night working up the Doobie Brothers version of "Jesus is Just Alright" and Blind Faith's "Presence of the Lord".
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 05, 2015, 12:16:32 PM
And I will concede that I take certain liberties myself, but only when I feel they will not impact the song's integrity or presentation.  Solos are the main point where this is applicable.  There are some songs where, for me, it is unacceptable to play anything but the studio solo.  Crazy Train, Bark at the Moon, Seek and Destroy, Electric Eye, for a few examples.  Some songs, I'll take a lot of the elements of the studio solo and inject a little bit of improve into.  Wild Child by WASP or Keep Your Hands to Yourself are a couple examples.  Some, I'll just completely wing, like Tush or Simple Man or Rockin' in the Free World.  Then there are songs where there isn't really a definite solo, so I'll inject something tongue-in-cheek.  Or I'll replace a solo section with something that someone who's REALLY paying good attention will recognize.

1. We used to do I Wanna Be Sedated.  In the "solo" section before the key change, I'd always play the Flintstones theme.  People loved it.
2. She Hates Me, by Puddle of Mudd.  The "solo" section was the exact perfect length to play the solo to Def Lep's Photograph.  Nearly the same key, even.
3. Mary Jane's Last Dance.  The whole end solo section, since it was in the same key (barring any F major chords in the rhythm), I played the solo to Stairway to Heaven, changing the obvious F notes in the solo to E, when they didn't fall over a D minor chord.

So in instances like that, you can kinda get away with it, keep yourself entertained, and really not take away form the song at all.

BTW, next month we are actually going to have another "concert" (playing at a local Chik-Fil-A lol)

I probably shouldn't find this funny, but I totally do.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2015, 12:24:16 PM
Go ahead, I certainly do.

Believe it or not, that will be a really big deal, for us, the restaurant, and the community.  Small town.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 05, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
I'm terrible at picking things out from recordings. But we play original stuff, so I guess it doesn't matter.

I agree 100% with the 'learn at home, put the done pieces together on band practise' thing. That was the biggest proboem with our drummer. He'd show up to rehearsals, not at all knowing the parts, having had months to practise. We spent three hours last practise teaching him how a certain fairly simple 7/8 rhythm went. Eventually he sort of got it, and it suddenly felt awesome playing that part. His kick drums suddenly lined up with what I was playing on the bass and the whole section just felt so much more powerful.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 05, 2015, 12:43:24 PM
I have always hated having to play music teacher at band practice, especially when everyone else is sitting there (already knowing THEIR parts) with a look on their faces like "Why am I even here?"
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Post by: BlackInk on June 05, 2015, 01:01:27 PM
Exactly, it drains everyone of so much enthusiasm, and you have to fight to get it back to where it was before.
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Post by: Orbert on June 05, 2015, 01:10:32 PM
And I will concede that I take certain liberties myself, but only when I feel they will not impact the song's integrity or presentation.  Solos are the main point where this is applicable.  There are some songs where, for me, it is unacceptable to play anything but the studio solo.  Crazy Train, Bark at the Moon, Seek and Destroy, Electric Eye, for a few examples.  Some songs, I'll take a lot of the elements of the studio solo and inject a little bit of improve into.  Wild Child by WASP or Keep Your Hands to Yourself are a couple examples.  Some, I'll just completely wing, like Tush or Simple Man or Rockin' in the Free World.  Then there are songs where there isn't really a definite solo, so I'll inject something tongue-in-cheek.  Or I'll replace a solo section with something that someone who's REALLY paying good attention will recognize.

1. We used to do I Wanna Be Sedated.  In the "solo" section before the key change, I'd always play the Flintstones theme.  People loved it.
2. She Hates Me, by Puddle of Mudd.  The "solo" section was the exact perfect length to play the solo to Def Lep's Photograph.  Nearly the same key, even.
3. Mary Jane's Last Dance.  The whole end solo section, since it was in the same key (barring any F major chords in the rhythm), I played the solo to Stairway to Heaven, changing the obvious F notes in the solo to E, when they didn't fall over a D minor chord.

So in instances like that, you can kinda get away with it, keep yourself entertained, and really not take away form the song at all.

I love doing stuff like that, especially quoting other songs in solos.  Usually I'm the only one who even knows what I've done, but what the hell, at least I was amused by it.

Tomorrow we're going to do "Smokin'" by Boston.  The day after the email went out, John called me just to make sure I was okay with it.  I'd mentioned that I'd played the song before in a band.  Well, technically I suppose that's true.  Three years ago, at a one-off gig, we put together some songs and played them, and "Smokin'" was one of them.  Anyway, I told him I'd be ready.  I'd started working on it the night before, about an hour after getting the email.

The solo for "Smokin'" is interesting because it's a combination of ad-libbed and certain points where the band comes together.  Obviously we all have to hit those big A's and go "wahh!" all together, but in between he's just riffing.  And actually, he's just playing a couple of riffs, a couple variations each.  Tom Scholz plays some keyboards, but he obviously just put together enough generic bluesy organ licks to do the solo.

Anyway, I told John that I'd planned to start the solo, hit those chords where we all come together, and riff around in between, so it'll work but not be exactly what you hear on the record.  He was fine with that.  Some solos are iconic; you play them as written because they're as much as part of the song as the words (Stairway to Heaven, for example), but some solos are obviously meant for ad libbing.  So this will be interesting.
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Post by: Orbert on June 05, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
But then invariably we change keys to better suit someone's voice.  Or add an instrumental part where there wasn't one.  Or use the bridge as an intro, or repeat the chorus at the end, or do a reprise, or just flat out alter the chord progression because we think the one on the studio version is stupid.

Or whatever.  On good rehearsal nights, its incredibly rewarding and fun.  On bad nights, it is drudgery.

We could never do that.  The others would lose their minds and starting screaming, or collapse in a corner and start babbling and drooling.  It's hard to enough to get them to actually play what's on the chart in front of them (which I had to write because they can't play anything from listening to it, it must be written out).  If I started rearranging things or changing the key, forget it.  I get enough flak just suggesting that we repeat the chorus the last time, or double the intro to get the feel.  They can't deal with that.

You know what works?  I write completely new charts, with the intro doubled or whatever, and say I made some changes that I think will work better.  They look at it and go "Okay" because they never listened to the mp3 anyway.

BTW, next month we are actually going to have another "concert" (playing at a local Chik-Fil-A lol), and we spent time at rehearsal last night working up the Doobie Brothers version of "Jesus is Just Alright" and Blind Faith's "Presence of the Lord".

That sounds cool!  Lol at Chik-Fil-A, but hey, a gig's a gig.  We've done "Jesus is Just Alright" a few times, but we lost our one singer who could really nail the slow section.  She wailed.  So now we don't do the song anymore.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Those two songs are really in the wheelhouse of our lead guitarist.  Last night when we ran through Presence of the Lord, and we got to the instrumental section with the big Clapton wah solo, he sounded EXACTLY like him.  It was awesome.

I wish I was playing drums for those songs, but I'm back to guitar at the moment.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2015, 04:33:21 PM
This one time - I was in a band where the drummer was so shit that I simply had to go.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 05, 2015, 04:39:59 PM
This one time - I was in a band where the drummer was so shit that I simply had to go.
Insert Lars Ulrich joke here
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2015, 04:55:13 PM
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 06, 2015, 03:59:28 AM
 :lol No, get it away from me! The HORROR! THEEE HORRRRRRORR!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 06, 2015, 05:17:10 AM
If anyone cares, here is a recording our worship band at church did about ten years ago.  This is an original song called "Mosaic."  My friend who is the lead vocal wrote the lyrics (and gave the song its title, which, once you hear it, you will realize is probably not as appropriate a title as "Tapestry", but I digress), I wrote the music, and my wife (who is the dominant female voice on the recording) helped with constructing the melodies.  We were fortunate enough to get a few song professionally recorded at that time, although the other three songs we recorded are covers.

Like I said, this is ten years ago, but our band lineup is largely the same now.  On this recording, I am playing drums.

https://soundcloud.com/hefdaddy42/mosaic
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 06, 2015, 08:04:53 AM
Again, proving my church is... just the worst. Thanks, Hef.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 06, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
Again, proving my church is... just the worst. Thanks, Hef.
I'm sure your church is just fine.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 06, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
When I moved back to my Dad's - I started going to the church on his farm where he and my Grandad are both leaders.

Now I work on Sundays I can't go anymore.

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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 06, 2015, 08:53:30 AM
Again, proving my church is... just the worst. Thanks, Hef.
I'm sure your church is just fine.
It's mostly pensioners singing "Jesus take the wheel" and the such-like. I think many of them are of the opinion that rock is the work of the devil.
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Post by: Orbert on June 19, 2015, 09:08:47 PM
Much music going on this weekend.  Band practice tomorrow, we're gonna put together "Hotel California," so that should be interesting.  I got together with John and Steve (the two guitarists) last Saturday at Steve's, and we worked out who's playing what, and we're putting it together with the rest of the band tomorrow.  Basically, John and Steve cover the important guitar parts (and there are a lot of them), and I fill in B-3 with one hand and layered six-string plus 12-string with the other.  Also "You're No Good" by Linda Ronstadt, and "Wonderful Tonight" by Clapton.  Whoa, I just noticed that they're all pretty mellow, this batch.  Except we're doing the live version of "You're No Good" which kinda rocks out.  The Clapton is fun though because I'm again doing the B-3 with the left hand, but a Rhodes with the right.

We're also gonna review the two new ones from last time, Foghat's "I Just Wanna Make Love to You" (live version) and "Smokin'" by Boston.  "Smokin" totally smoked.  We sounded great, and that's a hard tune.  So we'll do some rocking, too.

Then on Sunday, I'm providing the music for church.  Our organist accompanies the children's show choir from our neighbor church, and they're doing a gig in Orlando, so I'm gonna play everything she would normally do, except on the grand piano up front.  So that's gonna be sweet.  I get to totally pound on it during the hymns and stuff because the congregation will be singing.  Also, the Doxology.  We redid the chancel a few years ago, pulled all the carpeting out and put in hardwood, and it's completely alive now.  You've seen the pics.

Plus I get a few solos.  A short bit called "Welcoming the Light" which is about a minute or a minute and a half (long enough for someone to walk up to the altar from the back, light three candles, then walk all the way back again).  I'm gonna do a slow chill, bluesy version of "This Little Light of Mine".  They won't recognize it at first, then when they do... well, hopefully I'll get a chuckle or two.  Also the Benediction and the Postlude.  A quickie, then I can basically do whatever I want for the Postlude.  I've been wanting to play "Remembering You" (also known as the closing theme from "All in the Family") for a while, but I've got a pretty killer version of "Morning Has Broken" (with the Wakeman breaks) that would probably be more appropriate.  I probably won't decide for sure until a few seconds before I play.  Should be pretty cool.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on June 19, 2015, 10:46:27 PM
:metal
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2015, 06:30:30 AM
Sounds good, Orbert.

We have normal church on Sunday morning, so playing guitar and singing on 7 or so songs there.

But this afternoon my wife and I are performing four songs at the funeral of the mother of one of my wife's friends.  That will be tough, especially since it is four songs I've never played before (and one of which I'd never even heard before) on basically one day's notice.  Hopefully we can do our best.
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Post by: Orbert on June 20, 2015, 07:22:13 AM
Seven songs every week is a real commitment.  I used to do the Christian Rock thing about once a month (there were four "teams" which rotated weeks) and it was usually opening the service with two or three songs, then one or two at the end.  If there were only two up front, it would always be two at the end so it was always four or five songs.  When I sat in with my buddy's church a few years back, we found four songs I'd played before and could throw together with one rehearsal (that Sunday morning), but when I got there, I learned that the four we were doing were only four out of the usual seven they play every week.  It's a two-hour service.  That's a lot of rehearsing, a lot of prep, each week.  "That's why we're not very good" he joked, but no, they sounded great.  I was honored to get to sit in with them.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2015, 07:36:25 AM
Our average service is:

One or two to open up the service, normally more uptempo songs/calls to worship

Greeting time (everyone gets up off their ass and goes around greeting fellow churchgoers/shaking hands)

Two or three more songs from us

Prayer time

Sometimes a special song (not crowd-participatory)

Sermon

Invitation song

Dismissal
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 20, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
:lol I hate whenever our pastor decides to do " get up and shake everyones hand and say how are you " over some instrumental music. SO excruciatingly awkward...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2015, 07:42:54 PM
Why is that awkward?
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Post by: JayOctavarium on June 20, 2015, 07:43:21 PM
Because Kotow is an awkward person?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2015, 07:45:45 PM
Because Kotow is an awkward person?
I thought there might be a different answer than that.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2015, 01:44:50 AM
Yeah and very introvert.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2015, 05:06:17 AM
But that doesn't explain why that situation is awkward.  Only why YOU wouldn't like it.
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Post by: Scorpion on June 21, 2015, 09:26:36 AM
Singing two concerts on the weekend again. Looking forward to one of them, the other not so much.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2015, 10:56:56 AM
But that doesn't explain why that situation is awkward.  Only why YOU wouldn't like it.


no need to cry about it. .  . . . . .
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2015, 10:57:25 AM
Singing two concerts on the weekend again. Looking forward to one of them, the other not so much.

Rather you than me. I might downplay my musical abilities but I absolutely 100% definitely cannot sing. :lol
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Post by: JayOctavarium on June 21, 2015, 11:05:42 AM
Singing two concerts on the weekend again. Looking forward to one of them, the other not so much.

Rather you than me. I might downplay my musical abilities but I absolutely 100% definitely cannot sing. :lol


Hence all the shitty instrumental albums









jk :hug:
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 21, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
That is obviously the reason :lol


" You know - i'd love to hear your music with vocals :) "


Oh bad luck  :biggrin:




No. Sincerely. i am an awful singer.  It's just too difficult.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 21, 2015, 01:57:23 PM
Same problem for me, but I still write song melodies and lyrics, and plan to have others do the singing.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 21, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
Sometimes the gigs you aren't really looking forward to turn out to be the greatest fun.
Played a wedding of an old schoolmate of mine last night. We were classmates for a year, but I can't recall ever talking to him, not my kind of guy I guess. He found us, and thought it was a good move to book us for his wedding. Normally weddings are the worst gigs you can imagine, with all the family humor in between sets you totally don't get, and looking in the face of a bunch of grannies with their hands over their ears, but with young people marrying it can be a cool night, starting from the moment that the old folk leave.
Last night was way different, the old folk were dancing their asses off, the bride and groom were having the time of their life, and all the guests were only there to party. I can honestly say that I prefer last night, playing for a crowd of fifty people all enjoying every second of your show, over playing to a crowd of ten thousand people just waiting for another band to play after you.
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Post by: Onno on June 21, 2015, 03:54:38 PM
Singing two concerts on the weekend again. Looking forward to one of them, the other not so much.
Good luck with that. What music will you play?

I'm doing Bach's Hohe Messe here in Holland next Friday and Saturday. On the 2nd of July, we'll embark on a 10 day tour of Italy playing the Hohe Messe in Bologna, Spello, Rome and Verona. Really looking forward to that.
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Post by: Scorpion on June 22, 2015, 12:06:45 AM
Oh, I'll go into them with an open mind, and I'm sure it will be fun. It's just that it's a church service again, and this time our conductor picked a very monotonous program - sure, I like all the pieces themselves, but they are all very similar, and while the second concert includes all of them too, there's some variety in that one as well.

"Setlist":

Heinrich Schütz:
- Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes
- Ich bin ein rechter Weinstock
- Die mit Tränen säen
- Herr auf dich traue ich
- So fahr ich hin zu Jesu Christ

Johann Walter
- Nun bitten wir den Heiligen Geist

G.P. da Palestrina
- Sicut cervus
- Si tivit anima mea

Knut Nystedt
- Peace I Leave With You

So basically, a typical sacred program, with lots of German stuff that won't be of use to anyone except for maybe Onno, but oh well.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 22, 2015, 04:53:19 AM
I did German until a matter of weeks ago in school. I should be able to read that, but I can't. That's bad...
Did they go well?
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Post by: Scorpion on June 22, 2015, 06:33:58 AM
It's on the coming weekend, and hang on, I'll translate.

Schütz:
- The heavens proclaim God's glory
- I am the one true vine
- Those who plant in sorrow
- Lord, I trust in thee
- So I go now to Jesus Christ

Walter:
- Now we pray to the Holy Spirit
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 22, 2015, 07:30:36 AM
It's on the coming weekend, and hang on, I'll translate.

Schütz:
- The heavens proclaim God's glory
- I am the one true vine
- Those who plant in sorrow
- Lord, I trust in thee
- So I go now to Jesus Christ

Walter:
- Now we pray to the Holy Spirit
The only words I got were "Jesus Christ"... that says a lot
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 22, 2015, 08:14:34 AM
Oh, I'll go into them with an open mind, and I'm sure it will be fun. It's just that it's a church service again, and this time our conductor picked a very monotonous program - sure, I like all the pieces themselves, but they are all very similar, and while the second concert includes all of them too, there's some variety in that one as well.

"Setlist":

Heinrich Schütz:
- Die Himmer erzählen die Ehre Gottes
- Ich bin ein rechter Weinstock
- Die mit Tränen säen
- Herr auf dich traue ich
- So fahr ich hin zu Jesu Christ

Johann Walter
- Nun bitten wir den Heiligen Geist

G.P. da Palestrina
- Sicut cervus
- Si tivit anima mea

Knut Nystedt
- Peace I Leave With You

So basically, a typical sacred program, with lots of German stuff that won't be of use to anyone except for maybe Onno, but oh well.
The Germans know how to party.

Right?
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Post by: Scorpion on June 22, 2015, 08:45:23 AM
Definitely. Headbanging throughout the service, and our conductor does some pulpitdiving at the end.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 22, 2015, 10:16:23 AM
Definitely. Headbanging throughout the service, and our conductor does some pulpitdiving at the end.
:lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 22, 2015, 10:30:36 AM
Definitely. Headbanging throughout the service, and our conductor does some pulpitdiving at the end.
:metal
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 22, 2015, 11:40:03 AM
Pupitdiving sounds like the world's most badass thing.  :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 23, 2015, 06:56:13 AM
that reminds me of the time my pastor asked me and the band to play Thunderstruck at the end of a service.

I don't even like AC/DC but I had a guitar and permission so what the fuck. 
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Post by: Orbert on June 23, 2015, 07:34:46 AM
Are you serious?  That's awesome.  I'm assuming "Thunderstruck" fit in with the message of the day?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2015, 09:35:39 AM
 :metal
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 23, 2015, 01:05:52 PM
Imma get my church to let me play 6:00 on our christmas morning ceremony now...
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 23, 2015, 07:53:55 PM
Are you serious?  That's awesome.  I'm assuming "Thunderstruck" fit in with the message of the day?

Yeah, apparently the term 'Thunder-struck' is used in The Message translation at some point?  I can't remember the passage but the message was on that so the pastor got me to start it up lol.  Good times.
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Post by: Orbert on June 23, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
That's cool.  The closest I've come to playing secular music like that is one time we did "The Power of Love" by Huey Lewis and The News when the theme of the day was... The Power of Love.  This was when I first started doing the church rock thing, and we felt just a little bit outlaw doing the song.  I had a sweet patch on the synth.  We rocked it.  Not exactly AC/DC though.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 24, 2015, 02:12:34 AM
Someone dug out the Rock Band at my house and we've been playing that a lot, one of them has Power of Love on it.  It has some delicious casiotone synth.
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Post by: Orbert on June 24, 2015, 06:23:50 AM
For the 80's, Huey & Co. had some good sounds.  I kept the essence of the patch, but beefed it up a bit.  You know how Tony Banks of Genesis has those thin, wimpy synth sounds on the albums, but on the live albums it sounds ten times fatter and ballsier?  That's what I was going for.  Man, I miss playing with that band.

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/19836_1200181086605_7669713_n.jpg?oh=2dde43baf56021affb5fae686296ad5f&oe=562A1878)

Front row: Steven (worship leader, vocals, guitar), Luke (drums).
Middle row: Me (keyboards), Chelsea (violin), Lynn (vocals), Tim (guitar).
Back row: Doug (guitar), Ken (bass).

Steven and I are standing the same way, unintentionally, and it created a force that caused everyone on the right side of the picture to lean towards us.

Chelsea is even more gorgeous in real life than in that picture.  She's now married to Luke and they have a kid.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 24, 2015, 09:02:10 AM
In August/September, my pastor will be giving a sermon series on rock songs that display various Christian themes.  I think we will be allowed to play one every week.

 :metal
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Post by: Lucien on June 24, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
There was a little contest on the website I post my music to, to make a piece of music out of only a hundred notes

so I did (https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/972216)
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Post by: Orbert on June 24, 2015, 09:46:04 AM
In August/September, my pastor will be giving a sermon series on rock songs that display various Christian themes.  I think we will be allowed to play one every week.

 :metal

That sounds sweet.  So far we've gotten away with "Spirit in the Sky", "My Sweet Lord", "Morning Has Broken", "Jesus is Just Alright" and "Put Your Hand in the Hand", but those are all pretty overt.  I'm curious to hear what others there are out there, especially the more subtle ones.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 24, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
There was a little contest on the website I post my music to, to make a piece of music out of only a hundred notes

so I did (https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/972216)

That's easy. Only 12 notes exist :neverusethis:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 24, 2015, 12:02:03 PM
In August/September, my pastor will be giving a sermon series on rock songs that display various Christian themes.  I think we will be allowed to play one every week.

 :metal

That sounds sweet.  So far we've gotten away with "Spirit in the Sky", "My Sweet Lord", "Morning Has Broken", "Jesus is Just Alright" and "Put Your Hand in the Hand", but those are all pretty overt.  I'm curious to hear what others there are out there, especially the more subtle ones.
He's definitely going for subtle.  Here is something from a Facebook post he made earlier this month.

"I'm continuing to prepare for a sermon series currently scheduled for late this summer: "Jesus Rocks: Finding God in the Greatest Hits of Rock 'n' Roll." I'm looking to identify hits that give expression to four important themes: Power (songs that express exuberance, joy, fun, freedom and the sheer thrill of being alive); Captivity (songs that express the feeling of being trapped by limitations and bad decisions); Longing (songs that express a sense of yearning for something more); and Love (songs that express the ups, downs, challenges and questions that come from being and staying in love).
Here's my current list for "Songs of Power":
Rock and Roll All Night – KISS
Good Vibrations – Beach Boys
I Got You (I Feel Good) – James Brown
Born to Be Wild – Steppenwolf
Start Me Up – Rolling Stones
We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions – Queen
Jump – Van Halen
Dancing in the Street – Martha Reeves and the Vandellas
Rock & Roll Band – Boston
The Loco-Motion – Little Eva"
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Post by: mimipetrucci on June 24, 2015, 12:59:27 PM
im not into a band i just played/jam

jam setlist

as guitarist
-i cannot tell a lie- pg
-state of grace
-under d glassmoon
-greentinted sixties mind
-for d love of god/crying mchine
-summer song


as drums
-erotomania
-protocosmos. tonywilliams
-overture
-greentinted
-wherever i may roam
-vikingkong
-enter sandman
-angelofdeath
-anotherday
-surrounded
 :loser: :laugh:

-
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 24, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
In August/September, my pastor will be giving a sermon series on rock songs that display various Christian themes.  I think we will be allowed to play one every week.

 :metal

That sounds sweet.  So far we've gotten away with "Spirit in the Sky", "My Sweet Lord", "Morning Has Broken", "Jesus is Just Alright" and "Put Your Hand in the Hand", but those are all pretty overt.  I'm curious to hear what others there are out there, especially the more subtle ones.
He's definitely going for subtle.  Here is something from a Facebook post he made earlier this month.

"I'm continuing to prepare for a sermon series currently scheduled for late this summer: "Jesus Rocks: Finding God in the Greatest Hits of Rock 'n' Roll." I'm looking to identify hits that give expression to four important themes: Power (songs that express exuberance, joy, fun, freedom and the sheer thrill of being alive); Captivity (songs that express the feeling of being trapped by limitations and bad decisions); Longing (songs that express a sense of yearning for something more); and Love (songs that express the ups, downs, challenges and questions that come from being and staying in love).
Here's my current list for "Songs of Power":
Rock and Roll All Night – KISS
Good Vibrations – Beach Boys
I Got You (I Feel Good) – James Brown
Born to Be Wild – Steppenwolf
Start Me Up – Rolling Stones
We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions – Queen
Jump – Van Halen
Dancing in the Street – Martha Reeves and the Vandellas
Rock & Roll Band – Boston
The Loco-Motion – Little Eva"

No Steel Panther?  WTF?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 24, 2015, 02:05:48 PM
lol
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Post by: Scorpion on June 24, 2015, 03:25:09 PM
Doesn't like every rock song that is not about gratuitous sex qualify for one of those four categories?
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Post by: Orbert on June 24, 2015, 03:40:07 PM
Don't forget, Beach Boys songs are about surfing and cars, too.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 25, 2015, 07:58:54 AM
Doesn't like every rock song that is not about gratuitous sex qualify for one of those four categories?
Well, probably.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 06:40:46 AM
In August/September, my pastor will be giving a sermon series on rock songs that display various Christian themes.  I think we will be allowed to play one every week.

 :metal

That sounds sweet.  So far we've gotten away with "Spirit in the Sky", "My Sweet Lord", "Morning Has Broken", "Jesus is Just Alright" and "Put Your Hand in the Hand", but those are all pretty overt.  I'm curious to hear what others there are out there, especially the more subtle ones.
He's definitely going for subtle.  Here is something from a Facebook post he made earlier this month.

"I'm continuing to prepare for a sermon series currently scheduled for late this summer: "Jesus Rocks: Finding God in the Greatest Hits of Rock 'n' Roll." I'm looking to identify hits that give expression to four important themes: Power (songs that express exuberance, joy, fun, freedom and the sheer thrill of being alive); Captivity (songs that express the feeling of being trapped by limitations and bad decisions); Longing (songs that express a sense of yearning for something more); and Love (songs that express the ups, downs, challenges and questions that come from being and staying in love).
Here's my current list for "Songs of Power":
Rock and Roll All Night – KISS
Good Vibrations – Beach Boys
I Got You (I Feel Good) – James Brown
Born to Be Wild – Steppenwolf
Start Me Up – Rolling Stones
We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions – Queen
Jump – Van Halen
Dancing in the Street – Martha Reeves and the Vandellas
Rock & Roll Band – Boston
The Loco-Motion – Little Eva"

That sounds super interesting.  I'd love to hear it, if your church is the podcast/upload message to soundcloud type church. 

I love putting in snippets of songs that not many people would get, but we don't usually do whole, secular songs.  There are a couple Bob Marley songs that we've done in the past, that's about it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 26, 2015, 08:22:28 AM
That sounds super interesting.  I'd love to hear it, if your church is the podcast/upload message to soundcloud type church. 
Not normally, but we do record every service.  I'll see what I can do.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 08:44:18 PM
Awesome! :tup

Covers gig tonight ugh.  Have to constantly remind myself that there are worse ways of making $200 in a night.
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Post by: Lucien on June 29, 2015, 09:45:10 PM
So I wrote some minimalism/ambient music. (https://soundcloud.com/blackmusicalrabbit/wind) I think it's pretty cool sounding.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 30, 2015, 07:49:25 AM
That's beautiful Lucien, I dig it.  Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: Lucien on June 30, 2015, 08:30:02 AM
That's beautiful Lucien, I dig it.  Thanks for sharing.

No, thank you!  :D
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 03, 2015, 05:22:29 AM
Good stuff, Lucien!

We are doing our final rehearsal today for our big concert Monday evening.  It will be frought with peril and I am somewhat nervous - not for myself, but for a couple other guys in the group.  We'll see how it goes.

Also -

I am a fan of Carvin/Kiesel guitars, and my ambition is to one day order a custom guitar from them.

They have a line of headless guitars called Vaders.  That is not the particular kind I would want, but they are pretty neat.

Their custom shop recently produced this beast - just to see if they could.  It is a triple-neck Vader, which I am given to understand is the world's first-ever triple-neck headless guitar (for those keeping score at home).  The bottom neck is standard six-string, the middle is seven-string, and the top neck is an eight-string.  The thing weighs 14 pounds (which is less than I would have expected).

In a fitting name for something so outrageous, they named the guitar Merica. There is also a red, white, and blue color scheme.

I would never want such a thing, but I marvel at it nonetheless.

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/other/Merica_zpsbgxczcgv.jpg)
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Post by: Lucien on July 03, 2015, 09:08:49 PM
Almost done with the movement 2 of the symphony, stay tuned  ;)
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Post by: Lucien on July 03, 2015, 10:33:37 PM
And here it is!

https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1025111

and here's the first movement for those of you who haven't heard it

https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/781356
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Post by: PuffyPat on July 04, 2015, 12:31:08 AM
so, my friend's friend's band (foxing) got all of their equipment stolen last night. i guess it was like over 20k total in gear. when i heard about it, my heart sank. i met these guys a couple years back, and they were some of the nicest people i had ever met, and hearing that this sort of thing happened to them, i just couldn't believe it. to me, it seems that over the last couple years there has been a spike in bands getting their gear stolen. i feel like every other week there is another band that has had a trailer or car broken into (or in Foxing's case, their entire trailer). some close friends of mine a had a computer and a couple guitars stolen last year (i think).

anyways, i guess what i'm trying to say here is that there seems to be way too many cases of bands having some equipment stolen on tour, and honestly, it's really making me consider not pursuing this whole music thing. i've spent way too much money on gear, and having some asshole come and take it while i'm playing a show, or sleeping, or eating dinner, or whatever, really makes me cringe.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2015, 06:53:33 AM
So, my church band's show is tonight.  I am anxious to get through the day and start playing and singing.
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Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2015, 07:11:34 AM
Ah, gig day.  I hope all goes well for you tonight.  ♫♫
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2015, 07:14:16 AM
Ah, gig day.  I hope all goes well for you tonight.  ♫♫
Thanks, buddy.
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Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Just got back from a pretty shitty band rehearsal.  Feeling shitty, also pretty tired since I worked all day then went to rehearsal, as did everyone else.  That's probably one of the factors; us all being tired.

Once we'd decided to rehearse every other week back in March or whenever it was, John had sent out a rehearsal schedule with dates, every other Saturday through September, which is when we have a gig.  This past Saturday would have been a rehearsal day, but since it was the 4th of July, he asked if people would be able to get together Monday night (tonight) instead.  We've done it a few times before, but it always sucks.  I guess it's better than not rehearsing at all, but we're all tired, especially from the holiday weekend.  We should've just rehearsed Saturday morning as usual.  I didn't have anything planned until later in the day anyway.

Despite John sending out the song list for tonight's rehearsal nearly two weeks ago, and me making sure everyone had copies of the mp3s later that day (I'm the official curator of tunes in the band), we still got there tonight and our other guitarist has been "too busy" to learn the new songs.  Like, apparently at no time in the past two weeks did he even listen to the songs.  I honestly don't even understand that.  I put the songs on my iPod and listen to them every day, because these aren't always songs that I know, and even if they are, I've never listened to them with an ear toward learning to play them before.  Driving to and from work every day, sitting here on the PC, I listen to the songs over and over, sing my keyboard parts out loud in the car, drill them into my head.  I don't necessarily expect everyone to do that, but how can anyone, especially these days, claim that they haven't had time in two weeks to listen to the songs?

Our drummer and singer ignored the mp3s I'd sent out and just went on YouTube and found a different version of one of the songs, didn't even bother to check and see if it was the same one, and they learned that version.  It's the live version, and is very different.  Different intro, different breaks, different ending.  Great, so we wasted a bunch more time trying to figure what the hell was going on, and finally decided we'd learn the live version, so our singer is going to email it out to everyone.  This is after I'd spent two weeks learning the studio version.

And to top everything off, we're dropping two songs which would have featured the keyboards: "Smokin'" by Boston and "Separate Ways" by Journey.  The keys sounded fucking fantastic, if I do say so myself (which I don't, but literally everyone else did).  I worked hard on those tunes. But our singer can't sing them; they're just too damned high.  It's no one's fault, so I'm not actually mad about it, but I'll admit to being pretty damned disappointed.  Not many people, male or female, can sing like Brad Delp or Steve Perry, but I'd hoped that she could.  After a couple of times through, it was pretty obvious that it wasn't gonna work.  Shit.  So we had to drop them.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 07, 2015, 12:12:57 AM
Ah, it always sucks when you can't do a really good song because its just too damned high to sing.  That's like my band with Hotel California.  Sucks cos I miss out on all that delicious guitar wank at the end!!!

You couldn't just drop the key of the song(s)? One of the bands round our circuit plays everything with guitars tuned to Eb, which makes a lot of sense.  Even just that semitone drop can make a world of difference when it comes to singing.  I imagine you're more than competent enough to change your playing to suit that, or you could do the lazy way and hit the transpose button on your keyboard, I know I would :lol
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Post by: mikemangioy on July 07, 2015, 12:20:43 AM
Suuup, first post here

Today it's the first rehearsal of my new project. We're playing Foo Fighters and Muse songs, and we're all very pumped about it. Hope it turns out good  :metal
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Post by: BlobVanDam on July 07, 2015, 01:24:02 AM
Damn, isn't half the benefit of having a female singer the higher range?
Separate Ways goes up to an E5, which should for manageable for a female singer with a typical register as a one off note. Even if she couldn't hit that note, you could easily modify the melodies to only need to go up to the B4 (which shouldn't be a problem for any female singer) and only sacrificing a couple of notes in the process, which the average listener probably wouldn't notice anyway.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on July 07, 2015, 01:28:12 AM
Damn, isn't half the benefit of having a female singer the higher range?
Separate Ways goes up to an E5, which should for manageable for a female singer with a typical register as a one off note. Even if she couldn't hit that note, you could easily modify the melodies to only need to go up to the B4 (which shouldn't be a problem for any female singer) and only sacrificing a couple of notes in the process, which the average listener probably wouldn't notice anyway.


:blob:
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Post by: Orbert on July 07, 2015, 07:03:22 AM
This was the second time we'd tried Separate Ways.  She wasn't too sure about it the first time, but had been working on it and thought maybe she could make it work.  I got the feeling she really wanted to do it because the band sounds so damned good on it, but the high stuff at the end was killing her.  The ad-libbed stuff is optional, technically, but the scream at the end is not, and it was just killing her.  Doable, but not healthy.

We also tried dropping it to D.  It just sounded bad.  Probably partly because we'd just be playing it in E, but also, the harmonics on the guitar don't work the same way so it wasn't possible to get that sound in E.

Smokin' was the same way.  Doable, mostly, but she really had to push herself, and it was showing.  And again, dropping the key just made it sound wrong.  I know a lot of people can't tell when the key of a song has been changed, but I can always tell immediately, and so can Steve, our lead guitarist.  It doesn't just sound different; it sounds wrong.  You're playing it in the wrong key.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 07, 2015, 07:54:39 AM
Bob, I can sing those songs.  I'll move up there and join your band.

Well, no I won't.  But it would be fun to jam out.


At any rate, our show last night went fairly well.  Meaning, we had a great turnout, and everyone seemed to have a great time.

But I was not happy because our sound was for shit.  We were using a sound system that we normally don't use, and our sound guy is not the sharpest crayon in the box, and we had real trouble all night with the monitors and mains. 

But we powered through, and although I thought it sounded like shit, it seemed to go over well.

Here's the setlist:

Salt & Light
Move
Amazing Grace (to the tune of Seven Bridges Road - I had the high harmony)
My Redeemer Lives
Greater
Days of Elijah
Love Lifted Me
I Must Tell Jesus (really bluesy song)
There's A Stirring
Revelation Song
People Get Ready
From The Inside Out
Lead Me To The Cross
Presence of the Lord (Blind Faith cover)
Jesus Is Just Alright (Doobie Brothers cover)
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Post by: Orbert on July 07, 2015, 09:50:04 AM
Congrats on the gig, conditionally I suppose.  Did you get a chance to hear things from out at the board or in the audience, or did it just sound like shit on stage?  I've played gigs where I thought the stage was going to implode from all the suck, but audience recordings revealed that we sounded great.  Gotta trust the sound man.

Of course, you already know your sound man isn't great, so there's that.   :|

Still, the audience enjoying the show is still the ultimate goal, and if that was achieved, then it was a good gig.  It's no fun playing when you think you suck, but if the audience is digging it, then you're still awesome.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 07, 2015, 11:00:51 AM
I haven't heard any audience recordings.  It definitely sounded like shit on stage.

All in all, it was fun, and since it was at Chik-Fil-A, the manager let us eat for free after the show, so hey.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 09, 2015, 09:57:35 PM
Do you do Love Lifted Me a'la Jack Black in Bernie? That southern gospel style?  Love that song.  My brother is such a southern gospel freak, which is weird as.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2015, 05:24:02 AM
Do you do Love Lifted Me a'la Jack Black in Bernie? That southern gospel style?  Love that song.  My brother is such a southern gospel freak, which is weird as.
Not familiar with that rendition, but we don't do anything southern gospel.  I hate that shit.

The version we did was a bluesy thing in D minor.  I think our music director did the arrangement.  I had never heard it before.  And frankly, I don't like it very much.  But I am just a soldier following orders.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 10, 2015, 07:03:39 AM
Do you do Love Lifted Me a'la Jack Black in Bernie? That southern gospel style?  Love that song.  My brother is such a southern gospel freak, which is weird as.
Not familiar with that rendition, but we don't do anything southern gospel.  I hate that shit.

The version we did was a bluesy thing in D minor.  I think our music director did the arrangement.  I had never heard it before.  And frankly, I don't like it very much.  But I am just a soldier following orders.

:lol fair enough.  Not a huge fan of it myself, but some of it is cool.  They generally have the same vibe as the old hymns where the lyrics go much deeper than the 'jesus is my boyfriend' stuff that annoys the shit out of me in a lot of ccm and modern worship.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 11, 2015, 11:43:26 AM
Ah, it always sucks when you can't do a really good song because its just too damned high to sing.  That's like my band with Hotel California.  Sucks cos I miss out on all that delicious guitar wank at the end!!!

Anne emailed everyone a recording she'd made of us doing "Separate Ways".  She said it wasn't as bad as she'd thought, and she's willing to give it another shot, but either she sings it solo or we do some real work on the background vocals.  She's right.  Journey harmonies are clean and tight and a big part of their sound.  Either do it right or go home.

Now I'm having mixed feelings.  Yeah, great song, keyboard sound is a big part of that, but it is literally the one and only song which uses the synth.  I love my Prophet; it sounds great and is perfect for the song.  But it's a 40-pound beast and hauling it to rehearsals and gigs just for the one song is kinda dumb.  Also, we go to a gig, keyboard player has a fucking Prophet up there, and we play one song with it?  Oh, that's right; maybe two people in the whole place would even realize.  Forget I said that.  Anway, as disappointed as I was to drop the song, part of me wouldn't miss having to haul it around just for the one song.  But I'm a whiner.  The band was originally "70's classic rock" but we've been moving into some 80's stuff.  If we actually did a few more songs with synths, it would be worth it.

We do "Hotel California".  She sounds pretty good on it, and so do the background vocals and everything else.  The two guitarists do the main guitar parts, and I lay a bed with Hammond in my left hand and a 12-string patch in my right.  Rolling the chords sounds just like strumming, and it's definitely good enough to fill in behind the guitar lead lines.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2015, 12:48:59 PM
Bit of a non-sequiter but there has to be a band called " Ctrl-Alt-Del"
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
Bit of a non-sequiter but there has to be a band called " Ctrl-Alt-Del"

Not sure about a band, but there's a popular web-comic by that name.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Zydar on July 12, 2015, 01:43:40 AM
And a computer keyboard command too.



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 12, 2015, 02:48:12 AM
Ah, it always sucks when you can't do a really good song because its just too damned high to sing.  That's like my band with Hotel California.  Sucks cos I miss out on all that delicious guitar wank at the end!!!

Anne emailed everyone a recording she'd made of us doing "Separate Ways".  She said it wasn't as bad as she'd thought, and she's willing to give it another shot, but either she sings it solo or we do some real work on the background vocals.  She's right.  Journey harmonies are clean and tight and a big part of their sound.  Either do it right or go home.

Now I'm having mixed feelings.  Yeah, great song, keyboard sound is a big part of that, but it is literally the one and only song which uses the synth.  I love my Prophet; it sounds great and is perfect for the song.  But it's a 40-pound beast and hauling it to rehearsals and gigs just for the one song is kinda dumb.  Also, we go to a gig, keyboard player has a fucking Prophet up there, and we play one song with it?  Oh, that's right; maybe two people in the whole place would even realize.  Forget I said that.  Anway, as disappointed as I was to drop the song, part of me wouldn't miss having to haul it around just for the one song.  But I'm a whiner.  The band was originally "70's classic rock" but we've been moving into some 80's stuff.  If we actually did a few more songs with synths, it would be worth it.

We do "Hotel California".  She sounds pretty good on it, and so do the background vocals and everything else.  The two guitarists do the main guitar parts, and I lay a bed with Hammond in my left hand and a 12-string patch in my right.  Rolling the chords sounds just like strumming, and it's definitely good enough to fill in behind the guitar lead lines.

I'd love to hear some of your cover band tunes, can trade you tune for tune ;)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2015, 08:30:41 AM
And a computer keyboard command too.



:neverusethis:

omg no wait 4 rlz ? :neverusethis: dats totes cool af ngl !!!!!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 22, 2015, 03:12:23 PM
At practice the other day, we were working on "Hard to Handle" by the Black Crowes, which has some Honky-Tonk piano in it.  After we finished a run-through, John says "Bob, nice job on that Honky-Tonk piano."

JT, ever the smartass, says "Hey, isn't that racist?  Since it's Bob, shouldn't it be Asian-Tonk piano?"

"Asian-American-Tonk piano," I say, "if you please."

So there it is.  The tune has Asian-American-Tonk piano, courtesy of the resident Asian-American keyboard player.


My wife got a chuckle out of it, but I had to explain it to my kids.  I know; if you have to explain it...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2015, 07:43:51 AM
lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: ? on July 31, 2015, 05:52:51 AM
I recorded guitars for a friend's hip hop project last weekend and was part of the choir for the epic closing track together with him and my other buddy. I have the widest vocal range, so I sang three-part falsetto harmonies! :D I listened to raw mixes of the songs and they sound really cool! :metal Working on music with others lit a spark of creativity in me, so I'm writing my own stuff for the first time in a year. The riffs I've come up with so far sound pretty good; some of them are pretty doomy, while others sound like 80s hard rock, so it's going to be an interesting mix. :P
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 31, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
I haven't heard any audience recordings.  It definitely sounded like shit on stage.

All in all, it was fun, and since it was at Chik-Fil-A, the manager let us eat for free after the show, so hey.

Video footage!

Presence of the Lord (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yct350mopcj1u3j/In%20the%20presence%20of%20the%20Lord.MOV?dl=0)

Jesus is Just Alright (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjieftrdkavwj4c/Jesus%20is%20just%20alright.MOV?dl=0)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: davagb071 on August 01, 2015, 12:17:25 AM
a guitarist, pianist, bassist(considerably?), keyboardist and still trying to play some drums here. well not much, i'm 13 now and i started my very first music journey like 8~9 years ago with a piano. after 7 years of lessons i thought it'll be cool if i can play some guitar and--hey in fact ever since i play more in guitars than piano. i got my bass basics while figuring guitars on my own. when i met dream theater musics back there i got inspired to play the keyboard again(i used to play some while taking my piano lessons back there). well, here i am, a keyboardist and a guitarist mainly.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 02, 2015, 10:25:13 AM
Recorded som stuff with the band for the first time today. It was mostly to experiment and find a sound we like, rather than to record something for release. We did maybe a minute and a half of one of our songs, and it already sounds really really cool. Very excited to record it properly and share it now.

We still have half the songs from the album to finish. 4 out of 8 are done (musically at least, still lyrics and vocal melodies to be done) and the other 4 are still only ideas and concepts, two of which are planned longer tracks. So it'll be very interesting to develop this further, and I'm sure it'll turn out great.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 02, 2015, 09:29:15 PM
I haven't heard any audience recordings.  It definitely sounded like shit on stage.

All in all, it was fun, and since it was at Chik-Fil-A, the manager let us eat for free after the show, so hey.

Video footage!

Presence of the Lord (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yct350mopcj1u3j/In%20the%20presence%20of%20the%20Lord.MOV?dl=0)

Jesus is Just Alright (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjieftrdkavwj4c/Jesus%20is%20just%20alright.MOV?dl=0)

Very Nice!! ♫♫
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 03, 2015, 07:42:18 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 07, 2015, 07:58:09 AM
I treated myself to a Yamaha PSR-230 Keyboard
(https://usa.yamaha.com/local/products/images/821/12001/821_1.jpg) - it was €10 in a store, so why not? It has MIDI in/out - so I can use it in Logic! Very nice, and it's from 1996, so is actually the newest full size keyboard I've ever owned.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 07, 2015, 08:07:27 AM
I treated myself to a Yamaha PSR-230 Keyboard
(https://usa.yamaha.com/local/products/images/821/12001/821_1.jpg) - it was €10 in a store, so why not? It has MIDI in/out - so I can use it in Logic! Very nice, and it's from 1996, so is actually the newest full size keyboard I've ever owned.

For the price, that makes a great cheap MIDI controller. Anything 5 octaves and above is good, especially for using in a sequencer.


This is what I've got, bought it several years ago.
(https://www.miguelcampos.net/images/full-size/DSC_2032.jpg)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 07, 2015, 08:07:40 AM
(accidental double post)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 07, 2015, 08:31:08 AM
Looks cool. I accidentally posted in the wrong thread (whoops) - my only issue is that it didn't come with a MIDI to USB to plug into my computer - the only good ones are around 40€ (a roland one) and the cheap 3€ (PROXIMA Direct or other "china brand") all get really mixed reviews. I'd rather not spend more on a cable than I did on the actual device  :lol (also, amazon doesn't have a greek page, so I'm forced to shop from the UK store and pay a butt ton of money to ship  :-\ )
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 07, 2015, 09:04:42 AM
Nothing inbetween? I wouldn't think you'd need anything too fancy. For the price, one of the cheap ones might be worth it for the meantime, even if it's not perfect (depending on how bad the reviews are).

Being a newer keyboard, mine supports native USB already luckily (along with standard MIDI too of course).
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 07, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
I would've grabbed it, too, for that price.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 07, 2015, 01:37:37 PM
I would've grabbed it, too, for that price.
That's why I did  :lol Great pick up. Even without the MIDI functionality, it's better than the full size keyboard I had previously.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 11, 2015, 01:25:55 PM
What would you guys get as the perfect beginner's keyboard on a budget? I'm not thinking of anything fancy, but next year I'd really like to learn to play SOMETHING and keys have always appealed to me (I like Kevin Moore, duh). Keep in mind I'd probs have to get it delivered all the way from somewhere, but that I'd also like it to sound kinda decent as I might not have the funds to get another one as soon as I want to :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 11, 2015, 01:39:40 PM
What would you guys get as the perfect beginner's keyboard on a budget? I'm not thinking of anything fancy, but next year I'd really like to learn to play SOMETHING and keys have always appealed to me (I like Kevin Moore, duh). Keep in mind I'd probs have to get it delivered all the way from somewhere, but that I'd also like it to sound kinda decent as I might not have the funds to get another one as soon as I want to :lol
Look in thrift stores/charity shops. You may pick up a great deal. Or get a MIDI keyboard you can plug into your computer. I can't recommend getting a standalone keyboard now, though.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 11, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
Look in thrift stores/charity shops.
The thing is I live in a small city of a small country and I'm not sure what to look for. I have one friend who plays the keyboards and he could probably hook me up with something sweet, but since he's both a perfectionist and a hoarder I'm not sure whether he has the nose for beginner-friendly bargain deals :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 12, 2015, 07:19:15 AM
Look in thrift stores/charity shops.
The thing is I live in a small city of a small country and I'm not sure what to look for. I have one friend who plays the keyboards and he could probably hook me up with something sweet, but since he's both a perfectionist and a hoarder I'm not sure whether he has the nose for beginner-friendly bargain deals :lol
To be honest, anything by the big name brands is usually okay for beginners. Looking for names like Yamaha, Casio, Roland etc. Make a note of the model number, and research it. Check the amount of voices it has (the amount of keys you can press at once) and if it has touch responsive keys and such. That's about all I can say.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 12, 2015, 10:06:21 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 12, 2015, 10:46:29 AM
All good advice. Any better brand keyboard from the past decade at least should have a variety of decent sounds.  It probably doesn't need to be said, but I wouldn't bother with anything less than 5 octaves (and you wouldn't be getting anything bigger if you're n a budget). Even for a beginner, less than that is very restrictive even for simple piano stuff.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 12, 2015, 11:44:08 AM
Yup. 50+ keys, I would say.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 12, 2015, 12:06:38 PM
It should be noted that if the ultimate goal is to play the piano, then no electronic keyboard can ever give you that experience.  The keys are basically switches with two positions: up and down, off and on.  Velocity-sensitive keys can help just the tiniest bit, but nothing can emulate the touch of a piano.  (The closest thing to a real piano in an electronic box is the Clavinova by Yamaha.  An excellent facsimile in terms of both sound and feel.  But from the sounds of things, that's not in the budget.)  My point is that if the ultimate goal is playing the piano, then starting on an electronic keyboard will do irreparable damage to the development of proper technique and should be avoided at all costs.

If the goal is just to learn to play "keyboards" then the only real restrictions are to stick to keyboards with full-sized keys, and try to get at least four octaves.  Five is pretty common (61-key keyboards), but there are decent four-octave keyboards out there.  I would think that you can get lucky and score one for pretty cheap, but you have to be vigilant.  They do show up at the second hand shops, but they don't last long.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: ? on August 12, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
After some Googling I found a couple of relatively cheap Casio keyboards for beginners that don't look too bad to me, based on the descriptions:

Casio CTK-2400 (https://www.casio.com/products/Digital_Pianos_%26_Keyboards/Portable_Keyboards/CTK-2400/)
Casio CTK-3200 (https://www.casio.com/products/Digital_Pianos_%26_Keyboards/Portable_Keyboards/CTK-3200/)

Both have 61 piano-style keys, 400 sounds, 48-note polyphony and can be plugged into a computer using USB. As Orbert said, nothing can replace an actual piano, but piano-style keys are at least a tiny bit more authentic than the light keys on my first Yamaha. I became a decent piano player despite learning all the songs for my lessons on it, though... :P

I'd pick 3200, because it doesn't cost a lot more and has some extra features, but 2400 should be passable too, if money is tight. However, out of these two, only 3200 has a pitch bend wheel, so you should buy that one if you wanna do some KevMo-style pitch bending á la Caught in a Web and Lie. :D
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 12, 2015, 02:50:27 PM
As Orbert said, nothing can replace an actual piano, but piano-style keys are at least a tiny bit more authentic than the light keys on my first Yamaha. I became a decent piano player despite learning all the songs for my lessons on it, though... :P

That's my classical snob showing, I guess.  I suppose it's possible to eventually move from plastic keys to playing an acoustic piano, but it seems like it would be a horrible transition to suddenly encounter the actual weight, resistance, and action of acoustic piano keys.  Just going from an upright to a grand piano can be tough.  Playing a grand after years of only having to push plastic tabs up and down has got to mean sore and tired fingers for days afterwards.

And I honestly can't imagine learning the proper release technique, or pedal technique, at a later date.  These skills are learned and developed at the same time as simply reading notes and associating them to the keys.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 12, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
I've never used a "proper" piano - so... I don't know what they feel like.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 12, 2015, 04:30:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/H12kwmY.png)

There are 88 of these inside a piano, one for each key.  Pressing down on a key (58)... does nothing.  You literally must strike or hit the keys to get any sound.  This is because the release mechanism is set up so that hitting a key results in the hammer (6) flying up and hitting the string (1) but then falling away so that the string can resonate freely, as long as you hold down the key.  Once you release it, the damper (2 & 3) comes down and presses against the string, silencing it.  Pressing a key slowly either causes slippage resulting in no action at all, or just causes the hammer to rise up and press against the string, and since the hammer head is made of felt, it will stifle the string.

My point is that there is a technique which must be mastered before you can get beyond just plunking out a melody.  Pianists' fingers do these things automatically, because if you actually had to think about it, you'd never be able to play anything.  It's all muscle memory.

If you know the notes and the keys, that's a good start, but that's all it is.  Actually working the instrument, controlling what it does via the keys and pedals, is what takes years of practice.  "I know how to read music and hit the right keys" is not the same as "I can play the piano".  An electronic keyboard can help you learn the notes, but practicing pushing plastic keys down will do little towards teaching your fingers how to work actual piano keys, other than where the keys themselves are.  It just seems to me that it would be really hard for one's fingers to make the transition.

When I was 10, I took piano lessons.  I learned to read music and played a 3rd-year piece at the class recital, which was three months after I'd started.  Being even more arrogant and obnoxious than I am now (imagine!) I decided that I had learned to play the piano, which is what the lessons were for, so I quit.  The idea of taking lessons for years and years just seemed stupid to me.  My sister went the other way.  She took lessons for years and years, studied with Van Cliburn, and at one time considered a career as a concert pianist.  She can play anything that's written, but cannot play a single note without it being written down in front of her.

When I quit, what I didn't realize is that those stupid pedal exercises that my teacher made me do actually taught me proper pedal technique.  Those scales, literally running up and down the keyboard over and over, taught my fingers fluidity, and also consistency.  The harder you strike a key, the louder the note is played, and the goal is to make everything smooth.  My teacher assigned lessons from each of four books every week; pedals studies, scales, and two different method books.  I didn't realize it at the time, but she was a great teacher.

I've seen and worked with kids who took piano lessons, sometimes for years, but they can't play a piano.  They can play notes, but they can't work the pedals, and there's no dynamic control in their fingers.  You can't learn that on a plastic keyboard.

Okay, I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on August 12, 2015, 05:24:47 PM
TL;DR - a real piano feels nothing like a synthesizer piano.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2015, 03:21:35 AM
My keyboard has fully weighted piano style keys, I have a 2gb sampled piano VSTi with all of the dynamics levels covered, and a sustain pedal. Ignore the snobbery. :biggrin: (still love you, Orby)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 13, 2015, 07:34:29 AM
(nice, but it's still not the same  :P (love you too, Blob))
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 13, 2015, 07:47:16 AM
I saw that post and thought: "so... that's an essay... not reading that"
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2015, 07:50:07 AM
(nice, but it's still not the same  :P (love you too, Blob))


Oh I'm not arguing it's the same by any means, I just disagree with the general sentiment that you can't learn to properly play a piano on an electronic keyboard, because the high end ones do a very reasonable simulation of one these days. Of course it won't ever replace the real deal, but for most situations it's close enough for all intents and purposes. I've played real pianos often, and I've played both high end and low end keyboards, and there is a lot of difference, so I do understand where you're coming from.


I saw that post and thought: "so... that's an essay... not reading that"

You should always read an Orbert post, because they're full of wisdom.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 13, 2015, 10:16:24 AM
Anne emailed everyone a recording she'd made of us doing "Separate Ways".  She said it wasn't as bad as she'd thought, and she's willing to give it another shot, but either she sings it solo or we do some real work on the background vocals.

If it helps at all I'd checked this song out years ago, to possibly do.  The chorus harmonies are actually fairly easy to remember, as the harmony notes above and below the melody do not change.  The upper note is a B, throughout and the lower note is an E, throughout.  I just double checked this on the little piano app on my phone to make sure I remembered right.  Of course it sounds odd, because the melody part has an A and an F# in it, then the backing chords are Em, D, and C.

I'm almost positive this is how I remember it, so give it a listen, try those harmony notes, and see what happens.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2015, 10:19:47 AM
There's also the pre-chorus harmony a 3rd below.

I think the point is more the singing ability than knowing what the parts are. The lower E in the chorus is easy enough (and you could either forgo the higher B, or do it an octave lower, which I'm not sure they don't also do anyway), but the pre-chorus harmony may present some trouble for an average male vocalist.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 13, 2015, 10:22:04 AM
Oh yeah, I get it.  It ain't an easy song to pull off, regardless.  Just putting out the info.  I was just sitting here thinking about the pre-chorus harmony and thinking "I'm pretty sure there's only the lower harmony there".  I didn't think that pre-chorus harmony was very demanding, but maybe I'm not remembering right.  I'm kinda out of it lately.  :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2015, 10:24:13 AM
Yep, prechorus is just the two parts, lead and harmony. The chorus has more layers, but they're dead simple parts if you can hit the note. The pre-chorus melody isn't that hard if you're a solid vocalist, goes from an E4 up to a G4 (A4 briefly), so the range is narrow, but it may be upper range for regular dudes.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 13, 2015, 10:26:54 AM
The fortunate thing about the high harmony is that, if you can hit it, it doesn't last very long, so it doesn't tire you out too badly.  I always do the high harmonies in anything we do, because nobody else can do them, despite the fact that my talking voice is decidedly UN-high.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2015, 10:30:38 AM
And also because it's a BG vocal and doesn't move around in register, falsetto is ok.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on August 13, 2015, 10:52:08 AM
The chorus harmonies are actually fairly easy to remember, as the harmony notes above and below the melody do not change.  The upper note is a B, throughout and the lower note is an E, throughout. 

That's exactly what it sounds like to me.  I could not convince the others that this is the case.

And also because it's a BG vocal and doesn't move around in register, falsetto is ok.

I'm making some progress convincing them of this.  To me, the important part is that the notes be there, and if it's just background vocals, quality of voice is far less important.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
The chorus harmonies are actually fairly easy to remember, as the harmony notes above and below the melody do not change.  The upper note is a B, throughout and the lower note is an E, throughout. 

That's exactly what it sounds like to me.  I could not convince the others that this is the case.

And also because it's a BG vocal and doesn't move around in register, falsetto is ok.

I'm making some progress convincing them of this.  To me, the important part is that the notes be there, and if it's just background vocals, quality of voice is far less important.

When it comes to background vocals, pitch is much more important than tonal quality or how you hit the note. People are focusing on the lead vocal, with the background vocals just adding fullness, as long as they're not mixed louder than they should be.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 13, 2015, 10:59:05 AM
I actually, on my little android screen piano, tapped out the upper, lower, and melody notes all at the same time and it sounded just right.  I can see how it would be tough to believe (the harmonies don't move AT ALL??  With different chords in the background that aren't Em??  Bullshit!), but that's most definitely how it goes.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 13, 2015, 12:06:55 PM
It should be noted that if the ultimate goal is to play the piano, then no electronic keyboard can ever give you that experience.
I would be happy with just playing the keys. I mean, pianos are beautiful, but when would I ever get a chance or the need to play one? Most music I like is either guitar-driven or electronic and I'd find music school pretty boring (although I guess most people need to be taught in that environment, so I might be too). I never knew there would be so much of a difference though!

Thanks y'all! Hopefully I'll join you on this thread properly when I get more space in life :)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on August 13, 2015, 03:23:37 PM
The chorus harmonies are actually fairly easy to remember, as the harmony notes above and below the melody do not change.  The upper note is a B, throughout and the lower note is an E, throughout. 

That's exactly what it sounds like to me.  I could not convince the others that this is the case.

And also because it's a BG vocal and doesn't move around in register, falsetto is ok.

I'm making some progress convincing them of this.  To me, the important part is that the notes be there, and if it's just background vocals, quality of voice is far less important.

When it comes to background vocals, pitch is much more important than tonal quality or how you hit the note. People are focusing on the lead vocal, with the background vocals just adding fullness, as long as they're not mixed louder than they should be.

I'm definitely a backing vocalist :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 18, 2015, 06:26:50 AM
In August/September, my pastor will be giving a sermon series on rock songs that display various Christian themes.  I think we will be allowed to play one every week.

 :metal

So this started this past week.  The theme was Songs of Power (joy, exuberance, celebration, etc).

We did Old-Time Rock N Roll.  Not my favorite song, but definitely a toe-tapper, and everyone really enjoyed it.

Not sure yet what is coming this week.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 18, 2015, 07:08:11 AM
King's X?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
Um, no.

The theme this week is "Songs of Captivity."

The non-religious song we will be playing is "Stuck In The Middle With You."  Which is a problem, because every time I hear that song, I think of the torture scene in Reservoir Dogs, which is set to that song.

Should be an interesting worship service lol
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2015, 08:35:38 AM
A good pastor would make it work :lol

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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
Oh, HE will. 

I'm worried about ME.  I'm singing the song, and I'm just going to try not to laugh throughout.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 19, 2015, 10:03:07 AM
Oh, HE will. 

I'm worried about ME.  I'm singing the song, and I'm just going to try not to laugh throughout.
:lol that would be my worst nightmare...
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 19, 2015, 04:11:14 PM
Um, no.

The theme this week is "Songs of Captivity."

The non-religious song we will be playing is "Stuck In The Middle With You."  Which is a problem, because every time I hear that song, I think of the torture scene in Reservoir Dogs, which is set to that song.

Should be an interesting worship service lol

Haha.  Sunday just gone it was just me and a couple singers.  Towards the end we - well, I was just vamping around G Major while the pastor was talking at the end of the worship set and I slipped in Blackbird by the Beatles and that Bach Bouree in G Minor (the one Page used to do in the middle of his Heartbreaker wank live).  Quite a few funny looks from the congregation lol. 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 20, 2015, 07:53:47 AM
Nice.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 23, 2015, 04:30:34 AM
So, at rehearsal Thursday night, our drummer was out sick with a high fever.  So if he doesn't show this morning, I get to play drums.

We'll see what happens.
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Post by: Orbert on August 23, 2015, 07:51:24 AM
There's a family at our church which is basically wall-to-wall musicians.  Dad plays guitar, mom plays flute, oldest son plays piano, daughter plays viola and sings, younger son plays violin.  They are going to play "Imagine" by John Lennon today during the service.  Last week, Steve (dad) called me and asked me if I could help them out.  They were looking all over for sheet music, and couldn't find any which transcribed "Imagine" for violin.  What?

I asked what Amy (mom) would be playing.  "Flute" he said.  I know that, but what, is she just gonna play the melody, while Lauren (daughter) sings the song?  And they were thinking the violin would also just play along?  I always think that that's really lame when people do that.  It sounds horrible.  I didn't say that.  Instead I talked about how this is an opportunity to do something more creative, more interesting.  There's a string section on the original song; I could transcribe that for flute and violin.  It would be cool.  The piano of course drives the song, but a guitar strumming along would be nice.  It would be a unique arrangement.  (Also, this told me that while they all play instruments, the actual musical talent may be minimal, since they didn't realize that a violin and flute are both C instruments, therefore if the flute was just going to play the melody, the violin could play the same part, but it would still sound really lame.)

So I wrote up charts for the piano (because he was just gonna play the lame sheet-music arrangement which attempts to cover the piano part and also play the melody, as most lame sheet-music arrangements do), flute, violin, and guitar.  Sounds pretty sweet on the computer anyway.  The violin and flute, in harmony, cover the nice string parts on the record.  Then last Sunday, Steve told me that Ryan (son) might not be able to be there today, and he asked if I thought it would work without the piano, or if I'd be willing to play.

Without piano, it completely changes to a voice and guitar arrangement, augmented by flute and violin.  That would be reallly sweet, I thought.  But if they're not comfortable with that, I could play the piano part.  I never heard from them this week, so I guess they're good.  Or maybe he was just gonna tell me five minutes before the service that I'd be playing the piano.  I'd still do it, and I'd actually like to because I think it would be sweet, but I'm also really curious to hear how it sounds without the piano driving it.

We'll see what happens.  ;)
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 23, 2015, 04:47:18 PM
My dad plays the guitar at church. i started out on drums playing to songs in church and now my 11 yr old brother is playing violin in church.
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Post by: Orbert on August 23, 2015, 06:08:27 PM
That's cool.  I wish I got to play more with my kids, or my wife.  My daughter has a violin that she doesn't play much anymore, but I got to accompany her a few times when she did solos, so that was cool.


"Imagine" went really well.  There are six kids altogether in this family, and with Ryan out, they augmented the sound with the two younger sons playing bongos and some kind of shaker thing.  The only one present who wasn't playing was the baby.  She gets a pass, being only like a month old.

Anyway, as a voice and guitar piece, it worked well because it's so simple and melody-driven.  The flute and violin sounded great, and the added percussion took it in slightly different direction.  A nice, unique rendition of the song.  Like an idiot, I wondered later if anyone recorded it, and realized that it should have been me.  I would have loved to have a copy.  Oh well.  You had to be there.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 24, 2015, 06:34:32 AM
Here is us doing "Stuck in the Middle With You" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ewRFUffzcQ&feature=youtu.be) at yesterday's service, with me on acoustic guitar and lead vocal.  That was fun.

And here is a legitimate worship song from yesterday's service, "Break Every Chain" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTurMIbS2T8&feature=youtu.be), with my wife on lead vocal.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 24, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
Eyyyy, nice.  Sounds tight! Great vocal Hef.  Lead guitarist has some nice chops.

Break Every Chain is nice too, I quite dig that one, although we don't do it at church.  Your wife does a great job of it.

The dreaded electric drums... *shudder* lol, they don't actually sound too bad here, I've just never had a good experience with them.  There's a church around here that uses them and they sound so poos - plus you can hear the stick hitting the pads louder than the actual drum sounds.  It sounds like your soundguy has a pretty good handle on things.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 25, 2015, 07:06:04 AM
He does a pretty good job.  Thanks for the kind words.

I don't mind the drums.  I get to play them sometimes.  Real drums wouldn't work in our space without major shielding, and they already have a couple thousand invested in the Roland set, so yeah.

We played a gig at a retirement home last night.  We are our own roadies, so I am aching all over today.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 26, 2015, 08:51:01 AM
[CSB]I remember not long after graduating high school, I was involved in playing some music with a guy at church, the guy was a big Steven Curtis Chapman fan and was a good singer and guitar player.  We re-did a hymn for a band-setting.  I Know Who Holds Tomorrow, I believe it was.  Pretty laid back, t'was kinda cool.  I was considerably inexperienced at the guitar, having only played for 5-ish years at that point, but somehow managed to put together a chord-based solo that another guitar buddy of mine said was Chet Atkins-ish.[/CSB]
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 26, 2015, 10:36:48 AM
Cool.
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Post by: Orbert on August 26, 2015, 12:58:06 PM
So... the long-awaited first gig is scheduled for this Saturday.  This is the band that played two gratis gigs last summer, did pretty well and got reasonably good comments, then we took a short break while people went on vacations and stuff, and two days before we were to reconvene and start working up our third set, our singer quit.  She was followed out the door by the bassist, because he's her husband and it was pretty much understood that she was the reason why he was in the band.

Over the winter, we auditioned singers and bass players, found a great bass player, then it turned out that he can't practice on Saturdays, which is when we practice and he knew that.  By spring, we had a singer and bass player and started building a set list.  We're up to 26 songs, two or three sets (kinda), and this Saturday would be my first actual paid gig since the 80's.

It's an outdoor gig, a block party, and it's supposed to rain all day.  Rain date is Sunday.  It's supposed to rain all day.  Shit.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 26, 2015, 01:11:19 PM
Did you get Separate Ways worked out?
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Post by: Orbert on August 26, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
Yes!  We're doing the song, with the correct harmonies and everything.  If we play, that is.

We have another gig scheduled for two weeks later, another gratis gig.  It's another charity fundraiser thing, so I shouldn't really complain, but damn, it would be nice to actually get paid some time.  I love to play, and I do consider myself fortunate to be able to rock out with some good musicians and make people happy, but it is a lot of work, too, so even the $50 apiece we're supposed to get for this block party is nice, and makes it all worth it.  Not sure how many more freebies I have left in me.  Good practice blah blah blah good exposure blah blah blah charity fundraiser blah blah blah give me some fucking money, okay?
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 27, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Good practice blah blah blah good exposure blah blah blah charity fundraiser blah blah blah give me some fucking money, okay?
:lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 28, 2015, 02:04:06 PM
Our song of the week this Sunday is Show Me The Way by Styx.  That should be fun.
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Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2015, 10:11:18 AM
The long-awaited debut of Orbert's Almost-Band (now an actual Band) got rained out.  Shit.

It rained on and off all day Thursday and Friday, and Saturday was looking better, but not guaranteed.  We were to start at 8PM, but had to make a call by Noon whether or not we would risk it.  Easily $10K worth of gear set up in the middle of the street with no protection from the elements, it would all be at risk if a sudden storm came through.  As of Noon, it was still raining, and the best-case scenario had things clearing up by late afternoon and staying dry throughout the evening, but that didn't look likely at all.  Worst-case and everything in between included rain.

As it turned out, things did clear up by about 5:00.  If we could've set up in three hours, in dwindling light and on wet pavement, we could've played after all.  But we called it off, and it was the right decision at the time, based on the information available.

The world will have to wait just a little longer to experience our awesomeness.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 31, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
What is "Orbert's Almost Band"? It sounds cool.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
We will be wrapping our "Jesus Rocks" sermon series this Sunday.  Early indications are that the rock song this will be the All You Need Is Love.
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Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2015, 10:47:07 AM
What is "Orbert's Almost Band"? It sounds cool.

Just a silly nickname I came up with a while back.  This band has gone through many, many personnel changes, and it's still less than two years old.  We're a band, I mean we have singers, all instruments covered, all that, but we have yet to play a paying gig.  We did a few gratis gigs last summer, just prior to our latest implosion and subsequent restructuring.  I haven't done the math, but it's entirely possible that we've spent more total time missing at least one position than we have at full strength.
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Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
We will be wrapping our "Jesus Rocks" sermon series this Sunday.  Early indications are that the rock song this will be the All You Need Is Love.

I love playing that one.  The time changes keep people on their toes, and the message of course is terrific.  We do it up with the horns and everything.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2015, 10:54:50 AM
We will be wrapping our "Jesus Rocks" sermon series this Sunday.  Early indications are that the rock song this will be the All You Need Is Love.

I love playing that one.  The time changes keep people on their toes, and the message of course is terrific.  We do it up with the horns and everything.
We don't have actual horns, so I suspect that will be a keyboard thing, unless we just completely change the arrangement.

I'm curious to see how the time changes work.  With the band, I mean.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 07:52:51 PM
We will be wrapping our "Jesus Rocks" sermon series this Sunday.  Early indications are that the rock song this will be the All You Need Is Love.

I love playing that one.  The time changes keep people on their toes, and the message of course is terrific.  We do it up with the horns and everything.
We don't have actual horns, so I suspect that will be a keyboard thing, unless we just completely change the arrangement.

I'm curious to see how the time changes work.  With the band, I mean.

Yeah, that one is deceptively tricky with its bar lengths!  Best of luck, would love to see another vid of that one!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2015, 08:42:30 AM
I've been told that I will be playing drums and singing lead on that one.

Glad it's Ringo.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
That's a good move - I feel like that would make it easier, seeing as the bar lengths are made to follow the vocal.
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Post by: Orbert on September 11, 2015, 03:48:32 PM
Well damn, it looks like we're actually gonna play this Sunday.

For those not following along (which is pretty much everybody, since this has gone on for so fucking long), the core of the band, the two guitarists and myself, have been together since last year.  We've gone through singers, drummers, and bassists, and all the personnel changes kept setting us back as far as getting songs put together, but we have 25 songs, and we're gonna see how many we get through.  No, it's not yet enough to play the bars, but it is enough for a two-hour thing.  A Sunday afternoon charity motorcycle ride to benefit the local animal shelter ("Hogs for Dogs"), a 90 minute ride out to a bar in the far northern suburbs, where we'll be set up.  The riders will get free food and reduced prices on drinks, and we'll be providing the music.

Stupid things that could not be helped:
Our third gig if you count the two from last summer and still no payday, but this is a pretty nice place and apparently it's a huge deal to play there.  Just to be able to say you've played there gives you some cred, so what the fuck, let's rock and roll.  I'm looking forward to just playing somewhere other than the basement.

Pictures to follow, if we actually pull this off.  I'm still not quite believing it's happening.
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Post by: Calvin6s on September 11, 2015, 06:19:56 PM
Good luck.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 11, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
For those not following along (which is pretty much everybody, since this has gone on for so fucking long)

Hey now, this real life Spinal Tap saga is the very backbone of this thread! :tup

Good luck for the gig, Orb! I hope it all goes as well as can be expected under the circumstances.
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Post by: Orbert on September 12, 2015, 08:39:01 AM
Thanks for the well-wishes, guys.  I guess it wasn't the best choice of phrase; I know some people have been following along, but this really has been a ridiculous journey, and I recently referred to this band as an "almost-band" due to us spending nearly as much time without a full lineup (including several months without a lead singer) as we have with one, and someone asked for clarification.  So I was trying to jokingly refer to the fact that I felt the need to recap.

Finally getting to play that first gig is a great thing, and with all the lineup changes, this is a new band with a new name, so we're calling it our first gig.

We practiced Tuesday night because we couldn't get together over Labor Day weekend, and by time we were done (pushing 10:00 PM after working all day on a Tuesday that felt like a Monday) I was pretty wiped.  John asked if I wanted to just leave my piano there at his house, and he'll load it up with all the P.A. gear and his own stuff and bring it tomorrow.  At the time, it sounded like a good idea.  After running through all the songs again, I had them down.  I still do, but it's gonna kill me all day today to not run through them all one more time for tomorrow.  I'll practice my saxophone solos.  That'll be a real treat for my wife and daughter, who will be home today.  I'll have the tunes on my headphones, so all they'll hear will be saxophone solos, over and over.  If they're smart, they'll go shopping or something.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 12, 2015, 10:48:13 PM
  • They want us to start at 2:30.  This is idiotic because the game starts at Noon and won't be over yet.  The riders will start showing up between 1:30 and 2:30, and the whole timetable was set up before anyone realized that it's the day of the home opener.  But they didn't want to change anything because all the posters were printed and timetables were sent out.  I can't even imagine someone telling us to start playing if the game is still going, but they said they'll have it on the TVs and just turn the sound down so we can play.  Um, okay.

Oh god i hope it works out, especially this part.  We have done a couple of gigs where we've had to play through a big game, and its never fun, especially if there's a bar full of people wanting to watch.  If the bar has any common sense they'll let the game run first.
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Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2015, 08:52:09 PM
Incredible.  In-fucking-credible.

Our drummer, JT, called John at 8:00 this morning, said he was in pain, probably a kidney stone, thought he could play the gig anyway.  Called him back at 10:00 from the ER, pain was so excrutiating that he couldn't move.  No way he could play the gig today.  Some phone calls around, and there was no drummer who could just jump in and play with us today, no one available anyway.  Our singer Anne's boyfriend Brian has a band, which she also sings background vocals with, and they covered the gig.  The only way it could work was if Steve and John headed over there with the P.A. and stuff, and Steve ran sound.  It was 10:30 by time the decision was made, and they had to come in from far and wide.  There was no way they could be there in time to set up the P.A. and everything else, and start in time.

I had left my house a little after 10:00 AM, allowing an hour out to the place.  We were going to set up between 11:00 and 11:30.  It was close to 11:00 when I hit the gas station a few blocks from the bar, used the bathroom, and checked my phone.  A missed call, a voicemail, two emails, and several texts.  Uh-oh.  The whole saga.  The voicemail from John had come ten minutes after I'd left my house; now I'm a few blocks from the bar.  So I just went over anyway.  Helped set up the P.A., talked with the other guys, met the other band (I'd met Brian before a few times) as they showed up one by one over the next few hours, and stayed for the first hour or so of them playing.  They weren't horrible, though not great, but they sounded as good as they were going to because of Steve's killer P.A.  Had a truly disgusting chicken sandwich, threw part of it away.

So our contribution was the P.A. I guess.  Rockus (the other band) played, so the event had tunes.  At least we got someone to cover the gig.  I'm just bummed, and still a little bit in disbelief, that once again, our debut gig was cancelled and we didn't play one way or another.  It's like the music gods hate us.

It's been over a year since the previous "stable" lineup, Oh Zone, played a gig.  The new lineup, FlashDrive, is yet to play.  The plan was to get these two gigs under our belts, there was going to be a photographer there, and we were going to get some video and audio, too, for the website and Facebook page, and we would start looking at putting together the third set, so we'd truly be ready to start playing out.  Now, we still have to do all that, but we haven't played out yet, and we have no promotional materials.  And since we didn't play the two gigs, we didn't exactly score any new connections, either.

Shit.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 13, 2015, 09:43:37 PM
Seriously, your drummer ends up in the ER on the day of your gig? What are the odds? Your band is clearly cursed! :lol

At least he didn't die, or else my Spinal Tap comment earlier may have been too scary. :|
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Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2015, 10:25:16 PM
It is truly incredible.  I am so ready to play.
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Post by: Sacul on September 13, 2015, 11:34:24 PM
So I found a music making software and spent all this afternoon learning how to use it, and made a little chill song. I have no idea of what I'm doing, and the tune goes nowhere, but what the hell, here it is (https://soundcloud.com/saculs78/le-chill). I'm now making an electronic, industrial-y song - making music is quite interesting. At least for a total noob like me  :lol
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 01:36:59 AM
Your band is clearly cursed!

My first thought!  Jesus, sorry to hear that Orbert.  That is truly unbelievable. 
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 01:39:15 AM
So I found a music making software and spent all this afternoon learning how to use it, and made a little chill song. I have no idea of what I'm doing, and the tune goes nowhere, but what the hell, here it is (https://soundcloud.com/saculs78/le-chill). I'm now making an electronic, industrial-y song - making music is quite interesting. At least for a total noob like me  :lol

Sounds cool!  Thats a nice, punchy guitar sound, what's your setup?  Piano crashing chords remind me of something off Mezzanine.  This is really good Lucas, nice work :tup

Its always fun when you start figuring out recording, enjoy the journey!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 14, 2015, 01:59:47 AM
Sounded great to me. Sounded nice and clear and pro, and whatever was going on with the reverb sounded cool. Next just get some bass going!
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Post by: Sacul on September 14, 2015, 02:09:51 AM
Thanks guys - although it's pretty much unfinished by now, I plan on revisiting when I earn more experience with writing music and expand it a bit.

Sounds cool!  Thats a nice, punchy guitar sound, what's your setup? 
Some really cool-sounding loops  ;D . I honestly suck at playing any instrument, so making music with loops is quite interesting - I'll get to do some sampling later. Let's just say that Endtroducing-kind-of music is what I aim for. An absolutely unattainable goal of course  :lol


Sounded great to me. Sounded nice and clear and pro, and whatever was going on with the reverb sounded cool. Next just get some bass going!
Realized that after uploading it, when friend told me so  :facepalm: .
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 03:00:52 AM
Thanks guys - although it's pretty much unfinished by now, I plan on revisiting when I earn more experience with writing music and expand it a bit.

Sounds cool!  Thats a nice, punchy guitar sound, what's your setup? 
Some really cool-sounding loops  ;D . I honestly suck at playing any instrument, so making music with loops is quite interesting - I'll get to do some sampling later. Let's just say that Endtroducing-kind-of music is what I aim for. An absolutely unattainable goal of course  :lol


Sounded great to me. Sounded nice and clear and pro, and whatever was going on with the reverb sounded cool. Next just get some bass going!
Realized that after uploading it, when friend told me so  :facepalm: .

Haha.  I'm listening on shitty laptop speakers so I didn't notice.

Nice, you should try sampling some stuff in that case!.  Dragging mp3s into the DAW you're using is the most straightforward way.
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Post by: Sacul on September 16, 2015, 01:41:39 AM
Or downloading some loops online  :P .

So I did another one, but took a bit more of time, and I'm kind of starting to see how music composition work. Next time I'll try to come up with structure or something  :lol Feels like two different songs, which I may later expand each one on their own as separate tunes, but what the hell, here it is (https://soundcloud.com/saculs78/nostalgia). Added some sweet bass in there btw.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 16, 2015, 01:18:26 PM
*finds 3-part sheet music for Zelda 1 overworld theme*

*begins transcribing for bass and two guitars*
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Post by: Nefarius on September 17, 2015, 08:43:46 AM
Zelda music is always inspiring.

As a regular on the Parker Guitars Forum I traded clips and FX settings with a user called wkcchampion a few years back. We experimented with sounds that worked well together. One day he sent me one of his home made backing tracks called "Summer Jam". He added a melody line after the intro and left some space for me to add something. I didn't know at the time that it was a cover of Joe Satriani's "Summer Song" simply because I didn't know the song so I approached the material without any preconceived ideas. His melody close to the original starts at 0:19, I come in at 0:43, and from 1:07 it's my solo track.

wkcchampion & Nefarius - Summer Jam (clip) (https://dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/summersong_wkcchampion_nefarius.mp3)

So why do I tell this story when I commented because of Zelda music? Just listen to the part at 1:19 to 1:25.
Whoever recognizes this line first and can tell me what Zelda game it is from... is a true fan, congratulations! :biggrin:

Greetings...
Nef
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 17, 2015, 08:51:45 AM
I figured out how to get a decent Geddy Lee tone out of my bass rig tonight.  Pretty proud of myself, but boy do my fingers hurt.
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Post by: Orbert on September 28, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
The ongoing drama/trauma of Orbert's almost-band continues...


After our second non-debut a few weeks ago, our fearless leader John emailed a list of seven (seven!) potential gigs he'd drummed up.  Ranging from 10 miles away to nearly 30, mostly playing for the door, but hell, at this point we'll take anything we can get.  We have to get out there, get some experience playing, get some pictures, audio, and video, and hopefully make a connection or two.

JT was the first to reply.  He's out of town for three of the seven dates.  As you may recall, JT (drummer) was the one who got a kidney stone the day of our second attempt at a debut.  Obviously that could not be helped, but still, that's the first thing that came to my mind.

So this past Saturday, the 26th, was our next practice.  Full run-through of both sets, in preparation for the one gig of the seven which actually panned out (some were just too far away for shit pay, some had other date conflicts).  Also, John's wife Kay has a nice camera and a bit of photography experience, so she's gonna take some posed group pictures after practice, just so we have something for the web site and Facebook page.  John send out an email with all these details, and also some guidelines on what clothes to bring, etc.

I go clothes shopping and bring my wife along since I have no idea what looks "cool".  I'm 50something years old, an aging rocker, who must somehow get up on stage and look like a rocker without looking ridiculous.  We find some nice shirts that she assures me will look very cool with black jeans and my extremely Asian appearance.  :orbert:

Friday night at 10 fucking PM, JT sends an email, and just to make sure we all get it, a group text telling everyone to check their email.  He got his dates mixed up and is flying out Saturday morning, not Sunday.  Oops.

That's it.  No apologies -- although I'm not sure what's left after his literally four or five apologies for the kidney stone, which he couldn't help -- and no actual statement that he won't be able to make the practice, although that was obviously implied.  Just that he got the dates mixed up and he will be flying out in the morning.

Anne (singer) had gotten her hair and nails done, because of the pictures.  Kay (John's hot wife) had rearranged her work schedule to be available that day to take pictures.  She's a realtor and Saturday is normally a very busy day for her.  We have all been practicing.  The night before, all JT can say is "Oops".

JT got his dates mixed up.  JT got a kidney stone.  JT had already missed the last two practices and now this one, which has not just inconvenienced others but also cost them money.  JT recently dropped some of his other commitments so he'd have more time for the band, but was the first to get three of seven potential gigs crossed off the list because he's out of town.  JT is in the proverbial doghouse.

John is beyond disappointed, and beyond pissed.  I had a long phone conversation with him, and he's going to talk to JT about the band and his level of commitment to it.  I am, as always, thankful that that's his job and not mine.  I love to play, I want to play, but this is still just a hobby for me.  If it falls apart, I'll be bummed, but not heartbroken.  For John, this is his dream.  He's put a lot of money, time, and effort into this band, getting it going, keeping it somehow going despite all the shit that's come our way, from within and without, and he's not a quitter.  He's finding us gigs, just working independently as our manager, without an agent, with no experience at it, just through effort and perservenence.  I genuinely feel sorry for the guy.

After our phone call making sure a few things were in order and that I was available on certain dates, John sent out an email with two practice dates.  We have to do weeknights because we're out of weekends (the gig is Oct 10 and we can't practice Oct 3), the practices will be Oct 6 and Oct 8, please let him know as soon as possible if there are conflicts.  He did not say that the practices are "required" or "mandatory" because that was implied.

Next week we have two weeknight practices, and a gig on Saturday.  Third time's the charm?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Wow, man, that sucks.  Hope everything turns out OK.

Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: pcs90 on September 28, 2015, 02:07:10 PM
Sounds like your band needs a new drummer.
Although that's honestly a lot easier for me to say than you guys. It seems like he is only creating problems, headaches and stress, but I imagine things used to be fine if he is still in the band. Hopefully this is just a phase and everything will go back to normal soon because I would imagine this takes a lot of fun out of your hobby with all the drama going on.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 28, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
He is an excellent drummer.  He is experienced, as we all are, and rock-solid when it comes to keeping time.  He came in on the recommendation of Steve (guitar) and has shown that he knows probably thousands of songs.  Learning new ones takes time, of course, but fortunately we've stuck mostly to tried-and-true bar standards for now.

He is also busy as hell much of the time.  He owns and/or runs three businesses, one of which was recently demoted from "owning and running" to merely "owning" because he had too many things on his plate.  He actually wrote an email to the rest of the band a few months ago apologizing for how distracted he's been and how he has so much going on, and he's cut back on his commitments and promised to be much more there for us in the future.  Then John manages to find seven gigs for us, and we can't even consider three of them because JT is out of town those dates.  So much for minimizing distractions.

This whole experience has been very interesting for me.  When you're kids in school, your bandmates are your friends, guys you've known for years.  There's already a bond, and already a level of commitment both to your friends and to the band.  What we're doing now is merely a business arrangement.  I like the other guys in the band, but it's on the "co-workers who you get along with" level, not "dudes I've known since grade school" level.  We don't get together and hang out much, we don't call each other on the phone or chat just to chat.  It's business.  And it's weird for me because I've never been in a band like this.

So if after talking with JT, John decides that we need a new drummer, I'll be bummed, but not crushed or anything.  I like JT alright, but if he's holding us back, we are probably better off with someone else.  That "someone else" may not turn out to be any better, but he may.  As with anything else, it's about weighing cost/benefit.  Another personnel change will cost us the time to get the new guy up to speed.  The benefit is ending up with a (hopefully) better drummer.  "Better" meaning many things, not just playing.  Being available for practices and gigs is starting to weigh big.  Right now I'd settle for anyone who can keep time and make it to practices and gigs.

And something which is also in the mix is that we basically "stole" our lead singer Anne from another band.  She was singing with an actual working band.  Yeah, they kinda sucked, and she knew it, so after months of discussion and ass-kissing, John was able to convince her that she's rotting on the vine with the other band, and with us she can really go places.  And six months ago (holy shit, has it been that long?!) she starting working with us and was blown away by our level of musicianship.  And we are good, if I do say so myself.

But after all this shit and we still haven't played a single gig yet, I wouldn't blame her if she said "You know what?  I gave you guys a chance.  I quit a gigging band that still wants me back*, and I have gigs singing backgrounds with my boyfriend's band.  I don't need you."  I wouldn't blame her at all.  If we decide to look for a new drummer, and that causes our lead singer to quit, then we're really, truly fucked.


*In an ironic twist, her old band auditioned and eventually hired Karen, our old singer.  Then Karen quit, just as she quit our band, with basically no notice.  They had gigs booked, so they begged Anne to do those gigs with them, and since we weren't doing anything, she agreed.  Also, they got rid of the one guy who sucked the hardest, and now they're better.  It would actually be a good move for her to get back with them at this point.  I just hope she doesn't figure that out.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 28, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
Wow man.  This whole situation is almost unbelievable.  I really feel for you.  I know how hard it is to get gigs booked, and what it feels like when one guy lets the team down.

That being said, myself and the guitarist from the covers band I play bass in decided to form an acoustic duo a couple months ago, and we had our first gig last night.  It went surprisingly well actually, was quite happy with it.  Very different to a full band dynamic, and I'm singing, like 200% more than I do in the other band so that was a nice challenge.  Definitely need to stop smoking if I wanna keep that up :P

Also we got an email from a bar in town that had a band call in sick, so we are playing again tomorrow night, a sweet ass 5:30 - 8:30 slot for the after work, suit crowd.  Really looking forward to playing some chilled out stuff and not having to bust my balls and cigarette-addled lungs trying to keep it high energy like last night.

We've had one practice together :lol

Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
One practice?  Now a three-hour gig?

Nice.  :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 29, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
lol yeah, but we've been playing together for about a year now, doing the same sort of cover stuff except I moved to bass from lead guitar when he joined so we pretty much know the material. 
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 29, 2015, 05:56:14 PM
That sounds awesome.  I love laid-back gigs where you know what you're doing anyway, and the one practice is basically a formality just to make sure you're both on the same page.  Then you go do the gig.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 29, 2015, 06:00:09 PM
Yeah Monday was actually really fun and easy-going, it definitely wasn't as RAWK as the band thing, but it's good for testing your boundaries with singing and playing and getting a crowd going without much behind you. 

It's also a really good test of what pop songs are awesomely written and which ones suck :lol

Orbert, you should totally sort out a Keyboard/Guitar duo with another singer/player from the band!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 29, 2015, 08:09:29 PM
Actually, I've known our old singer Karen for years (she was how I got involved in the band in the first place) and she said she thought we could do gigs, just her and I.  I'd play piano and she'd sing.  I thought that sounded great.  She said she knows tons of people, she'll start talking to people and see what the picture looks like.  That was two years ago.

Both drummers from the band have said, and Steve our guitarist agreed, that if I wanted to, I could be playing every weekend.  Keyboard players are still pretty rare, good keyboard players even moreso, and (their words, not mine) I'm a great keyboard player.  They just blurted it out, after we'd been playing for a while.  I told them to calm down.  I learn my parts, I play them well.  I practice.  Come on, it's not that hard.

So okay, if I wanted to, but I don't want to play every weekend.  I'd be cool with maybe once or twice a month.  It's a side thing, for fun, not a second job.  At this point, we should be playing once or twice a month, but we just can't seem to get it together.  It's gonna take a bit more before I quit this band.

But doing a low-key duo thing, that would be sweet.  Some other guys I know are doing something similar to what you're doing.  They've been in various bands together over the years and have recently just gone out as an acoustic duo.  They just call it "Mark and Jim" (their names, duh) and do chill versions of classic rock stuff.  I don't know why, but even seeing them doing that, and thinking how cool that is, didn't make me think about doing the same thing.  Not even once.  That's weird, because I love to play, pretty much any chance I can get, but apparently it takes someone else pointing the opportunities out to me.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on September 30, 2015, 02:36:52 AM
I don't know how you are going to overcome this because at your age, it is probably the hardest time to put together something like this.  As a youth, it was more about the fear that you were going to tank.  But when you are a full grown adult, you have legitimate reasons for schedules never aligning as you would like.

Can you aim for a less threatening and easier to schedule gig?  What about just inviting a ton of people to your rehearsal space?  Just anything to give you that performance adrenaline.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 30, 2015, 07:31:13 AM
John's wife has had friends over a few times, and even though I'm sure you can hear us throughout the house, they come downstairs sometimes and watch us for a few songs.  That's kinda nice, reminds me of junior high days when guys would bring their girlfriends to practice and they'd sometimes bring some friends.

John's a millionaire.  He could invite a bunch of people over, throw a huge to-do, and we could play for them, sure.  But the thrill level would be that of a high school band playing at a party.  Cool, but we're past that.  Yeah, it would be fun, a chance to play.  But if you literally have to invite people to come see you play, it's not the same as going out in public and playing an actual gig.

None of these gigs were demanding.  All one-night stands, Friday night or Saturday night, in the neighboring burbs.  Seven gigs.  I'm sure John was thinking that at least three of them would pan out, maybe even more.  I sure was.  But JT's travel schedule nixed three of them, two of them were for "original music only" (bar bands still get gigs for that?), and one of them conflicted with a couple of us.  That only left the one, and we're confirmed, but John has said that he'll cancel us if we can't get at least a full practice between now and then.  There's no point in getting up there and embarrassing ourselves.  At this point, it's been over a month since the band has practiced, and the gig is still two weeks out.  Well, a week from this weekend.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on October 01, 2015, 01:24:06 PM
Demoed this new track for the guys in the band. I'm super stoked with it. It's just an instrumental demo. Haven't written lyrics yet. Thoughts?

https://soundcloud.com/we-are-all-hail/illustrated-zodiac-nightmares
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 01, 2015, 02:00:23 PM
just got a bunch of mics to do some sort of recording. i haven't gotten too in depth w/ anything yet, but i'm looking forward to finally getting my ideas recorded properly.

also, LOTS, that demo is pretty sick.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on October 01, 2015, 02:04:25 PM
Demoed this new track for the guys in the band. I'm super stoked with it. It's just an instrumental demo. Haven't written lyrics yet. Thoughts?

https://soundcloud.com/we-are-all-hail/illustrated-zodiac-nightmares

Really cool track, I imagine it will be really fun to play live. I thought it was all good, but from 1:28 to 2:16 was especially cool.

I also finished a demo for my band today actually. It's just a MIDI programming so far, but it sounds really cool. It's planned to be the lead single of our first album, and for that it needed to be tight. Or at least more tight than the other tracks, most of which are pretty progressive and changing, changing keys and tempos here and there. But this one turned out about as consistant and "straight forward" as I wanted, while still being very much a modern progressive metal track.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 01, 2015, 02:46:13 PM
One of my songs got played on local radio. yay. that is all.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 01, 2015, 02:48:05 PM
:tup  Future rock star.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 01, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
just got a bunch of mics to do some sort of recording. i haven't gotten too in depth w/ anything yet, but i'm looking forward to finally getting my ideas recorded properly.

what'd you get?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 02, 2015, 12:19:10 AM
just got a bunch of mics to do some sort of recording. i haven't gotten too in depth w/ anything yet, but i'm looking forward to finally getting my ideas recorded properly.

what'd you get?

3 sm 57s, a beta 52, and a couple condensors. i forget what they are.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 02, 2015, 04:43:43 AM
Demoed this new track for the guys in the band. I'm super stoked with it. It's just an instrumental demo. Haven't written lyrics yet. Thoughts?

https://soundcloud.com/we-are-all-hail/illustrated-zodiac-nightmares
:metal  That's pretty wicked, dude.  Can't wait to hear the finished product with vocals.

One of my songs got played on local radio. yay. that is all.
Cool!  Can we hear it?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 02, 2015, 10:05:27 AM
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Cool!  Can we hear it?
Sure. It's not exactly metal (It's Greek Ambient and Post-Rock mashed together) but yeah.
https://soundcloud.com/heliosgr/coming-home
BTW, because I've had people ask - the silence at the end is nothing symbolic - it's just my DAW wierded out, and it was already uploading to SoundCloud - I edited it for the radio version.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2015, 05:00:53 AM
Wow, that was really cool!
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 03, 2015, 07:25:48 AM
Thanks, man!   ;D
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 05, 2015, 04:54:44 PM
just got a bunch of mics to do some sort of recording. i haven't gotten too in depth w/ anything yet, but i'm looking forward to finally getting my ideas recorded properly.

what'd you get?

3 sm 57s, a beta 52, and a couple condensors. i forget what they are.

Naaiice!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 05, 2015, 05:16:59 PM
This Saturday, we're going to try it again.  We're going to attempt a debut gig.  Our first attempted debut got rained out; our second attempt was cancelled when our drummer JT ended up in the ER with a kidney stone.  Third time's the charm, right?

It's a semi-crappy gig, to be honest.  A sports bar 15 miles from here will have the Blackhawks game, and they want a band to play from whenever the game ends (around 10:30) until closing time.  We'll only have time for two sets, which is fine because that's all we have anyway.  I'm sure it's gonna be one of those situations where the owner won't want to hear a sound while the game is still going, then expect us to start immediately and sound perfect without a sound check.  Our sound check will be the first couple of songs.

We're running through the first set Tuesday night, the second set Thursday night.  I hate evening practices, but this is what we have to work with.  I'm taking Friday off of work to prepare myself mentally and physically.

Ha ha, just kidding.  I had Friday off already anyway.

The first time, I was wired, so excited to be playing a live gig.  But as the week went on and we watched the weather forecasts, I had to keep my hopes guarded, and ultimately was disappointed but not surprised when we were rained out.  The second one, I'd actually driven out there before I found out the situation, then stayed and hung around the board with Steve and John because why not (also, the waitress in our section was... damn!)

I find myself not excited about this at all.  I honestly cannot get excited about something which, in my mind, may or may not happen.  Saturday night, if I get there, we set up, nothing catastrophic happens, and we play, great.  I will play, I'll do all the things on stage that I'm supposed to do, and I'll kick ass.  But I can't help feeling that someone's fucking with me.  I will not get my hopes up again.


So I'm on Facebook, checking to see who's going to our Event (I manage the band Facebook page), and I see that four Friends are going and four Others are going.  That's kinda weird; I thought the other five members of the band had at least clicked that they were going.  I look and see that JT, our drummer, is no longer a Friend.  What?  I click, go to his page, and nope, we're not Friends.  It lists Friends we have in common, which include Karen and Mike (the husband-wife team who quit) and some other guys we both know, but neither myself nor anyone else currently in the band is Friends with him anymore.  Apparently he had a hissy fit and un-Friended all of us.

Oh, the drama!  Oh, the humanity!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 06, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Best of luck, mate. Hopefully no issues this time. Maybe Orbert's Almost Band will become Orbert's Actually a Band Band.   ;D
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 06, 2015, 02:56:36 PM
That JT is really grinding my gears!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 06, 2015, 03:18:42 PM
EDIT: Just read until the end of the post, which I didn't before - was in a rush to go somewhere. This guy seems like a butt.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 06, 2015, 03:40:56 PM
I just got off the phone with Steve.  JT is apparently going through some serious shit right now.  Like, he and the girlfriend broke up, he moved out kind of shit.  I said maybe he got "breakup drunk" and went on a Facebook rampage, deleting Friends and stuff.  He said No, he'd talked to him, and he's in the middle of creating a new Facebook persona.  Also, he doesn't drink.  Well okay, but kinda weird that he'd specifically un-Friend the other members of the band and keep everyone else.

Also, significant drama is brewing with Anne, our lead singer, who is showing signs of advanced psychosis.  Clearly, this is just what we need right now.

Practice is tonight.  This gonna be good.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 06, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
i really hope this all works out for you. i know whats it's like to want to get somewhere in band and having other people in the band hampering things regularly. nothing to this extreme, but it can get very frustrating very fast.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 06, 2015, 05:33:41 PM
I just sold my Thunderbird.

:(

Such a sweet bass.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 06, 2015, 10:32:49 PM
I just sold my Thunderbird.

:(

Such a sweet bass.

why'd u sell it then?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 07, 2015, 02:08:32 AM
Need the cash for a trip to australia :(
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2015, 12:09:13 PM
Also, significant drama is brewing with Anne, our lead singer, who is showing signs of advanced psychosis.  Clearly, this is just what we need right now.
No, no, you're looking at this all wrong.

Every good singer is crazy.  This is just what you need!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 07, 2015, 12:25:53 PM
I'm starting to believe that.  I've worked with a number of singers over the years, and in general, the better they were, the crazier they were.  Unfortunately, this also meant that they were harder to work with.  Finding a balance is key, as with all things.

Steve texted me this morning, saying that Anne was burning up his phone again.  She has a lot of comments about how things went last night at practice.  I told him I think it's great that the two of them have such and open, honest rapport going.  (And by that I mean it's great that it's the two of them and I am not one of them.)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2015, 02:03:11 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 07, 2015, 03:31:49 PM
Ha ha, I may not have been entirely clear.  Her comments were not positive.  I'm glad I'm not the recipient of her outbursts.

She has plenty of critique for what everyone else is doing, but when it comes to her, if there's something she's not singing correctly, it's "I'm having trouble feeling this song.  I don't really like it."

Well shit, we all have songs that we don't really like.  But we play them because other people love them and they're in the set list, the set list that we all agreed to.  So suck it up and do your fucking job.

My remark to Steve had two sides, though.  Steve and Anne have not always gotten along.  For a while, they were ready to kill each other.  But they got together for lunch and drinks on a day off, and had a long talk about the band, music, etc., and now they have a pretty good rapport.  So I was telling Steve that it's great that they're talking and stuff, but really I'm just glad it's not me.  I still get to hear all about it from Steve, so it's not really that much better. :p
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 08, 2015, 07:42:29 AM
lol
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 08, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
By the sounds of it, I should be glad I'm a solo musician. This band shit sounds tiring  :lol
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 08, 2015, 11:08:28 AM
This is easily the most drama I've ever dealt with in a band.  Most bands I've been in have gotten along pretty well, because we were friends first.  We were in a band together because we knew each other and liked each other first.  This band was formed via Internet searches, and is people from all different backgrounds.  We don't have the bond.  But we all have experience in bands, and know how it needs to work; it just doesn't quite feel the same and I don't think it's a conscious thing that it doesn't work.

Also, we all have lives and jobs and other commitments, so it's not like when you're 20 and the band is your life.  This is just a hobby.  It's supposed to be fun.  And it is, once we start playing.  It's just getting to that point that's a pain.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on October 11, 2015, 01:58:45 AM
We did it!  We fucking did it!  We played a gig!

(https://i.imgur.com/iMtmSBu.png)

Getting ready for the second set.  Steve checking the talkbox, as we open the set with "Rocky Mountain Way".  Me watching the babes playing darts over in the corner.  They were there most of the night.  The one, Corinne, was pretty hot.  She came over and talked to me and stuff, introduced herself and her friend (I don't remember her friend's name) and kinda kept me company throughout the show.  It's cool when you get to interact with people in the audience, cooler still when they're babes.  Corinne gave me a hug at the end of the night, said I was awesome.  Damn, I've missed doing this.

We were not flawless, but we were pretty damned good, especially for a debut, and missing our singer for rehearsal the other night (meaning we never did get a full run-through of the second set).  Also no sound check.  The owner was a real dick.  But... owners.

A new chapter.  I'm so psyched.  It's 2:45 AM and I just got home from the bar.  An actual paying gig, first in over 30 years.  Okay, we only made $10 each, but a gig's a gig.  We played for the door, and for friends and significant others, and for fun, and for experience playing, and so some agent named Bob Something could come see us (he did, and he said he was impressed, so that's cool).
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 11, 2015, 02:03:07 AM
Awesome!
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 11, 2015, 05:42:38 AM
Nice! I can't wait to actually do a live show.
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Post by: pcs90 on October 11, 2015, 09:24:44 AM
Congratulations! Glad things finally worked out.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 12, 2015, 11:13:48 AM
Great news, Orbert!  Congrats!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on October 12, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
Entered this singer/songwriter contest. Would really appreciate if you guys could give it a listen and give some points if you like it.
https://songwriter.amplifiertv.com/channel/Cody+McKenna
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 14, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
congrats, orbert! make sure when u start touring the world to come to ct.
Title: SHREDDERS !
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2015, 03:24:29 PM
Shredders !

Any shredders in ! I know the principles of harmonising. E.g. If you're shredding in E minor - you can harmonise in G major for example.

But if you're doing really long legato runs - is it the same principle ?

I can't get my head around doing some crazy sweep and legato runs and having to harmonise every note. :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: SHREDDERS !
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 22, 2015, 09:58:11 AM
Shredders !

Any shredders in ! I know the principles of harmonising. E.g. If you're shredding in E minor - you can harmonise in G major for example.

But if you're doing really long legato runs - is it the same principle ?

I can't get my head around doing some crazy sweep and legato runs and having to harmonise every note. :dangerwillrobinson:
What's a shredders?

I'm not very musical.
Title: Re: SHREDDERS !
Post by: Kotowboy on October 22, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
Shredders !

Any shredders in ! I know the principles of harmonising. E.g. If you're shredding in E minor - you can harmonise in G major for example.

But if you're doing really long legato runs - is it the same principle ?

I can't get my head around doing some crazy sweep and legato runs and having to harmonise every note. :dangerwillrobinson:
What's a shredders?

I'm not very musical.

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: SHREDDERS !
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 22, 2015, 11:05:44 AM
Shredders !

Any shredders in ! I know the principles of harmonising. E.g. If you're shredding in E minor - you can harmonise in G major for example.

But if you're doing really long legato runs - is it the same principle ?

I can't get my head around doing some crazy sweep and legato runs and having to harmonise every note. :dangerwillrobinson:
What's a shredders?

I'm not very musical.

 :'( :'( :'(
Sorry to disappoint.  :-[
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: splent on November 03, 2015, 08:48:33 PM
Ok I'm way behind but Orbert next time you have a gig let me know where you are playing! If it's not too far let me know and I'll (hopefully) make it out to see you (to return the favor for seeing me like 5 years ago!)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 03, 2015, 09:25:38 PM
It's a deal.  It looks like we might be playing 210 in Highwood (formerly The Alley) the day after Christmas, which should be interesting, and way the hell down to Sheffield some time in January.  It sucks just starting out.  You have to take what you can get.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on November 04, 2015, 12:09:04 AM
New track I demoed for my band! Switches between  4/4 and 7/8 during the verse parts. Pretty stoked on the ending. Thoughts? (it's just a drum/guitar demo like the last one)

https://soundcloud.com/we-are-all-hail/sorrow-mk-ii-demo
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 07, 2015, 01:49:25 AM
New track I demoed for my band! Switches between  4/4 and 7/8 during the verse parts. Pretty stoked on the ending. Thoughts? (it's just a drum/guitar demo like the last one)

https://soundcloud.com/we-are-all-hail/sorrow-mk-ii-demo

Saw this at work, meant to listen when I got home but forgot.

Listened to it now though, and that's a kickass track! The, I guess I'd be the chorus, was especially cool, with the alternations between the distorded chords and then the rhythmical stuff.
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Post by: BlackInk on November 07, 2015, 02:11:09 AM
Also, me and the band finished writing track 7 for our first album last night, which means we only have one song left before we're done! Started writing this long concept album over a year ago and I can barely believe we're almost done. Hopefully after we finish, we'll start recording and I'll share something here.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2015, 06:28:11 AM
New track I demoed for my band! Switches between  4/4 and 7/8 during the verse parts. Pretty stoked on the ending. Thoughts? (it's just a drum/guitar demo like the last one)

https://soundcloud.com/we-are-all-hail/sorrow-mk-ii-demo
That was really cool!  Nice riffage!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2015, 06:29:31 AM
Also, me and the band finished writing track 7 for our first album last night, which means we only have one song left before we're done! Started writing this long concept album over a year ago and I can barely believe we're almost done. Hopefully after we finish, we'll start recording and I'll share something here.
Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: splent on November 07, 2015, 08:39:13 AM
It's a deal.  It looks like we might be playing 210 in Highwood (formerly The Alley) the day after Christmas, which should be interesting, and way the hell down to Sheffield some time in January.  It sucks just starting out.  You have to take what you can get.

Yep. Develop a following and report and it will get better.

Highwood I can't do because I'll be likely out of town for the holidays, and Sheffield is way out there. Keep me posted.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 08, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
It has begun.  The agent dude who John was talking to, the same guy who asked if we could do the day after Christmas, offered us a one-nighter at a place we eventually want to get into anyway.  December 18, a Friday night in the middle of Christmas craziness, $500.  Even for a fraction of that money, this is a place we want to play.  The owner is actually a neighbor of John's, and when John asked him about playing at his place, he had to talk to the agent dude.  Agent dude just offered us the place.  If we do well, we play there again.

But we don't have four full sets of tunes.  We've got a couple hours, and are adding a third batch now.  Agent dude suggests we play three 45-minute sets, with 25-30 minute breaks in between.  His idea.  Shit, we could do that right now.  So anyway, we're in.  Then if we do well there, and the thing on the 26th, he says he's got some stuff to look at in Q1 2016.  He tends to book a quarter at a time.  Very businesslike.

So... things are happening.  Gigs booked, promise of future gigs with the agent dude who basically owns this county.  We keep him happy, he keeps us working, and everybody's happy.
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Post by: pcs90 on November 08, 2015, 09:51:16 PM
Sounds great! Looking forward to hear how it all turns out!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2015, 11:16:46 PM
Good luck Orb! Hopefully you can keep one lineup through it all!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 09, 2015, 10:56:18 AM
Thanks.  In a weird way, I kinda miss writing about all the band drama, since most of it is apparently behind us.  Saying "We practiced on Saturday and nailed down two more songs" just isn't as exciting and provacative.  But we practiced on Saturday and nailed down two more songs.  Starting two weeks hence, we're gonna try to "bulk up", adding half a dozen cheap 'n' easy songs that everyone knows.  We jammed on "Cocaine" for a while warming up, so that one's in.  Apparently we all know "Sweet Home Alabama" so that's in.  That kind of thing.

At the one gig we played, someone yelled "Freebird!" (because there's always someone who does) and since John was still in the process of switching guitars, I started playing Freebird just for the hell of it.  JT came in on drums and Steve played the whiny lead and we got through the intro.  Then John was ready and we started the next song, but we got a brief round of applause.  I suggested to John that we actually play the song next time, another ten minutes on the clock.  He seemed to consider it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 09, 2015, 08:59:03 PM
Okay, you knew it was too good to be true.  You knew that this band couldn't actually start gigging regularly and making money.  You might not have any idea why not, other than that it's pretty much how it has always been with this band, but it had to happen.

Steve (lead guitar, lead and background vocals) has quit the band.  Over something completely stupid.  Completely over-reacting to something, because it's his way, because he's a fucking misogynist who told us right up front that having a girl in the band is "poison" and that no band he's ever been in with a female has lasted more than a year.  Well, we now know why.  It's not because girls are poison, and it's not the girls themselves.  It's Steve.

John had tried, as manager, to get some gigs for us, and scraped up some crummy little gigs, one of which we even played, but the reason why we didn't get anything better was because they all book through the same company, which comes down to the one guy, agent dude.  Well, we're in with agent dude.  Agent dude sent some stuff to John, needs names, phone numbers, website and/or social media pages, and a secondary contact.  John forwards this out to all of us, just keeping us in the loop, letting us know what's going on.  But we need a volunteer to be secondary contact.

JT (drums, and also a personal friend of agent dude) says he's just the drummer, but he does know agent dude.  I say that that sounds to me like someone volunteering.  It's a joke, son!  A joke!  Anne says she votes for JT.  Just innocuous little messages via email, right?

Steve sends a text to Anne, asking her what her problem is.  Anne is confused.  Steve asks what gave her the right to start the voting.  He wants to be the secondary contact, he has the most experience out of all of us, blah blah blah.  Anne isn't even sure he's serious.  Has he actually gone off the rails over this?  She asks if he's going to make a bigger deal out of this than it has to be, or something like that.  Steve says Fuck this, I can't be in a band with you any more.  He then calls John and tells John the same thing, that he can't be in a band with Anne any more.  John can't believe he's serious either.  Are you quitting the band?  Steve says Yes.  John accepts his resignation.

John calls JT, who has known Steve for many years and is the reason he (JT) is in the band, and asks him to call Steve, and find out if this can be saved.  Ten minutes later, JT calls John back.  Steve is out, he ain't coming back.

If we could've held it together for six more weeks, we'd have those two gigs behind us, be on agent dude's list of groups he can count on, and we'd be on our way.  But the underlying problem in the band, Steve Who Cannot Get Along With Females, would still be there.  If we survive this one, we'll end up better off.  Harmony within the band is still more important than raw talent.  Finding a guitarist who can sing is nothing.  Finding one who you can get along with is the trick.  And we're back to Square One.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Lucien on November 09, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
Jesus Christ.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 09, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan seriously? That sucks. It would be funny if it weren't real. I'd expect this kind of drama from a teenage band (no offense, teenagers), but not from adults.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 09, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
This is so ridiculous that it defies believability.  It truly does.  Couldn't Steve have kept his assholic tendencies in check just a little longer?  We were on the fucking brink.  Paying gigs booked, promise of plenty more where that came from, as long as we don't suck (and we don't).

Steve and Anne have apparently never really gotten along.  John shared this with me.  He's actually talked to both of them, many times, and things seemed to be getting better.  I've noticed little snipes at each other during practices and stuff, and while we all joke around and give each other shit, I've often suspected that these were actual barbs.  Mostly Steve giving Anne a hard time over something stupid, and just not backing off.  Overreacting.  Anne would eventually get tired of his shit and strike back, but I've never seen her start it.  Steve, on the other hand, is like a teenager, so yeah, all this drama.

I wouldn't blame Jerry, JT, or Anne if any one of them decided that enough is enough, this band is just plain jinxed.  I don't know if we could survive a second departure at this point.  It would vastly increase the odds that a third would occur, and at that point, I think everything would collapse.

Personally, I'm still in.  I mean, I don't have anything else going on, why not?  I have a bunch of holiday-related musical obligations coming up, but other than that, nothing.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 09, 2015, 11:35:33 PM
This is so ridiculous that it defies believability.

Yyyyep!  Its like, how more fucking ridiculous could this get. 

Steve sounds like a raging douche, and you guys are certainly better off without him, though I understand that this is just more ass pain for you guys.  Hopefully you can find someone quick smart to fill in!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on November 09, 2015, 11:39:02 PM
Tell Steve we think he's a prick.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 09, 2015, 11:40:39 PM
lets start an official steve depreciation thread.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 10, 2015, 06:55:46 AM
I got a text last night, after I'd stuck my phone in the charger for the night, so I didn't see it until this morning.  "Sorry Bob, I just couldn't deal with her anymore.  Her need to control everything, her constantly needing to have her way, even to the detriment of the band..." it goes on.  He's fucking psychotic; I never truly saw it before.  I wanted to ask him if he'd looked in a mirror lately.  Instead, I said that I never really understood what the issue was between the two of them, but I guess sometimes certain personality types just don't get along.  Like Steve and anyone female.  I didn't say that last part.  So after sending my reply this morning, he replied again, going on about all the horrible things he imagines she's done.  I just put the phone down.  I'm not continuing this conversation.

Last year's drama, with our original singer Karen, actually made sense compared to this, if that statement itself even makes sense.  Karen was a great singer if she liked the song, barely tolerable if she didn't.  She also missed practices and sometimes showed up obviously unprepared.  So Steve's complaining about her was legit, and I guess when he took the opportunity to rant about how females are always pulling shit like this and how it's just not worth it, I let it go because he was annoyed, as we all were.  When he started in on Anne, who is a much better singer, has infinitely more stage presence, and is just a much cooler person in general, I didn't get it.  It's like he's constantly looking for things to get annoyed about, and of course always finding them, because if they're not really there, he'll just make them up.

Or maybe I just looked the other way because he's a hell of a guitarist, one of the best I've ever played with.  But I'd rather have someone with half the talent if I can get along with them, and the whole band is better off without someone like that.  If we survive...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on November 10, 2015, 09:57:26 AM
Orbert's Almost Band is starting to sound like Orbert's Teenage Grindcore Band.
I'm also starting to think you could make a soap-opera after this, called Orbert Street.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 10, 2015, 11:03:56 AM
Tell Steve we think he's a prick.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on November 10, 2015, 11:44:58 AM
Orbert, you may have answered this long ago, but where did you even find this guy?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 10, 2015, 12:01:07 PM
Steve answered the ad for a singer way back when we lost one of our original singers, Dave.  Dave could sing high stuff like nobody's business.  Survivor, Journey, Toto.  He was amazing.  Steve doesn't have the same kind of range, but he can play a killer guitar, and we figured that would help make up for reduced song selection.  Eventually it became obvious that not only was our original lead guitarist Rick an idiot and a head case, but we also didn't need three guitarists, so Rick was let go and Steve took over lead guitar.

The original concept for the group was a male singer, a female singer, two guitars, keyboards, bass, and drums.  It's John's band, and while he is easily the least talented and least experienced of all, he's also a millionaire with a huge house and a studio/practice space in his basement and lots of top-shelf equipment.  His idea was to surround himself with great performers and just have fun rocking out in the basement.  Having both a male and female lead singer meant greater song selection and built-in strength with harmonies and stuff.  It was only after "accidentally" amassing a lot of genuine talent that we started talking about actually playing out.  Adding Steve while losing both Dave and Rick was a good move overall, and certainly a good move at the time.  Also, a band with seven people is just too big.  It's still tough with six of us, but it's workable.  After John and myself, Steve was next in seniority in the band.


John sent out an email this morning, assuring everyone that he intends to keep this band going, and reminding everyone that setbacks happen.  I made sure to reply quickly that I for one am still in, and pointed out that the band has been through many changes in the past, and each time we've gotten better people.  Better in terms of a better fit for the band (we get along better), and also more talented (doesn't hurt to toss in a compliment, especially since it's true anyway).

All three of the others are still in.  Jerry also expressed disappointment, but he's in.

It occurred to me that Jerry and Anne were the last to join the band, and therefore this is the first personnel change for them, so it's not like this is the final straw or anything like that.  I've been through all seven.  Two singers, a guitarist, a drummer, and three bassists.  And we have in fact gotten better people each time, and keep getting closer to our ultimate goal of playing loud music not just for our friends, but for hordes of drunk people in bars.  Dare to dream!
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on November 10, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
Where are you guys located? And what's the age group of the members?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 10, 2015, 01:00:45 PM
If you guys would commute to North Carolina, I would totally jam with you guys.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on November 10, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
If you guys commuted to either the UK or Greece (depending on the time of year) I would totally jam with you guys.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 10, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
If anyone of you guys came to my house in Wales - you'd hate me just as much IRL - if not MORE !! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 10, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
Where are you guys located? And what's the age group of the members?

Chicago far northern suburbs.  We're all in our 50's.

Most of us played in bands back in the 70's or 80's, and have played on and off to varying degrees ever since.  John organized a reunion of friends at his house a few years ago, and they had a band back in the 80's which didn't really go anywhere but was fun, so when they got together, they brought their gear and played some songs.  The "Before" and "After" pictures are great.  John got bitten by the bug, and decided that he's got the time, he's got the money, and he's at a point in his life now where he can buy a bunch of gear and put a band together.  That's us.  He freely admits that he has the least experience of all of us and is probably the least talented (he's correct on both counts) but it's his band, and all we're doing is playing for fun.  Or at least that was the idea at first.  Once JT our drummer joined, it started becoming clear that we have some real potential, and we started talking about playing out, once we get enough tunes down.  That was nearly two years ago, but we've been plagued by personnel changes, each one of which sets us back in terms of time to find a replacement and time to get the new person up to speed.  But each change has ultimately helped the band because we've "traded up" each time.

It's different doing this now as adults with kids/wives/lives as opposed to when you're young and stupid and the band is everything.  It's just a hobby.  We have no delusions of grandeur; we're never going to get rich doing this, and we know it.  We just like to play.  That's all we're trying to do.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on November 10, 2015, 03:21:46 PM
Where are you guys located? And what's the age group of the members?

Chicago far northern suburbs.  We're all in our 50's.

Most of us played in bands back in the 70's or 80's, and have played on and off to varying degrees ever since.  John organized a reunion of friends at his house a few years ago, and they had a band back in the 80's which didn't really go anywhere but was fun, so when they got together, they brought their gear and played some songs.  The "Before" and "After" pictures are great.  John got bitten by the bug, and decided that he's got the time, he's got the money, and he's at a point in his life now where he can buy a bunch of gear and put a band together.  That's us.  He freely admits that he has the least experience of all of us and is probably the least talented (he's correct on both counts) but it's his band, and all we're doing is playing for fun.  Or at least that was the idea at first.  Once JT our drummer joined, it started becoming clear that we have some real potential, and we started talking about playing out, once we get enough tunes down.  That was nearly two years ago, but we've been plagued by personnel changes, each one of which sets us back in terms of time to find a replacement and time to get the new person up to speed.  But each change has ultimately helped the band because we've "traded up" each time.

It's different doing this now as adults with kids/wives/lives as opposed to when you're young and stupid and the band is everything.  It's just a hobby.  We have no delusions of grandeur; we're never going to get rich doing this, and we know it.  We just like to play.  That's all we're trying to do.
Get John to put up $50 and make a profile on The Musician's Contact Service and put an add on there. https://www.musicianscontact.com
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 10, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
Thanks for the suggestion.

The band was mostly put together via the Internet.  Various online want ad places, such as BandMix.com and ReverbNation.  Steve, Anne, and Jerry were all the results of web searches and subsequent auditions.  JT came in when we lost our first drummer, as he was someone Steve knew.  I came on board because the original singer Karen knew me, but otherwise the entire original lineup was formed via the net.

John's buddies have all scattered to the winds.  None of them lives close enough to play on a regular basis, so he used Internet searches to put the initial lineup together.  I guess that's why, from the beginning, there's been an attitude that if anyone doesn't work out, we try someone else.  The other big difference between this band and the kind of band you're in when you're younger is that back then, the band was all guys you knew from school, maybe even grew up with.  That was my first band, all guys from the neighborhood.  Later that expanded to include guys who knew other guys from somewhere, but there was always a personal connection.  Our band has more the feel of a business arrangement.  I like everyone well enough, but we're all from different towns, different walks of life.  I didn't know anyone in the current band before the band.  We're not quite friends; we don't hang out together on weekends or go hit the bars together.  We're more like co-workers who get along and have a good time, but when it's time to go home, that's it.  Well, we're all friends on Facebook.  We share jokes and memes and stuff, and we've met most of each other's significant others.  So I guess we're closer than just co-workers, but don't have tight personal bonds yet.  This whole experience has been very interesting.  And if nothing else, I've gotten to play with a number of different people, played songs I never would've played otherwise, and am a better musician for it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on November 11, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
To be honest, I'm just exceptionally surprised you can keep a positive outlook on this. I'd have told each individual member of the band where to shove their finger and left if all this had happened to me, so, good on you, man.  :tup
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 11, 2015, 10:26:42 AM
Believe me, there's been a couple of times I've been tempted to just quit.  We've gone through a lot of personnel changes, resulting in a lot of lost time.  If we'd had the same lineup for two years, we'd probably be gigging by now.  But the original band did kinda suck, so there would be limited payoff in that.  And I'm serious when I say that every time we lost someone, the replacement we eventually found has been better, both in terms of talent and personality.

I like to rock, but I don't have any other rock bands to play in, and I don't have the time or energy to devote to starting one up.  I still get my musical rocks off on a regular basis singing in the church choir, and also leading the praise band, which gives me the opportunity to arrange tunes for some pretty esoteric ensembles, also sing and play piano, sax, and flute.  So I've stuck with the rock band, because it's still worth it for me.  John does all the organizing, web-searching, dealing with agents and bar owners and stuff.  All I have to do is learn my songs and show up for practice.  I like learning new songs, and I like getting together every other Saturday and playing.  The money is absolutely not a factor.  We got $10 each for that one crappy gig we did play; it paid for my dinner, eaten there at the bar before the show.  Burger and Coke was $8 or so; I gave the girl a ten and told her to keep it because she was hot.  When John came out of the office later with $10 each for us, I just chuckled.  I got dinner and got to rock and roll for a few hours, and broke even.  It cost me gas money, but it was a reasonable night's entertainment.

I would love to actually play gigs.  Rocking out in the basement is fun, but obviously playing for people is the goal for most musicians, myself included.  So these setbacks have been very frustrating, but there's not a damned thing I can do about them.  I still get to jam every other Saturday.  Quitting the band would mean giving that up, so I stick with it.
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on November 11, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
Well, at least you still find getting together to jam with them enjoyable. I'm wanting to start a band with people from my school (my school is pretty music-intensive) - we have a "band night" every year where bands with members from the school can gig, but to be honest it's difficult to find people with the same music taste as me. You don't get many 15-17 year olds who listen to prog. Plus, we don't get any money for it. :lol
I'm looking at playing some of my ambient stuff outside of my school soon, though.
Just make sure you guys actually keep practising. I hope to see an Orbert's Almost Band debut album at some point.  :)
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 11, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
Do you guys have a name? Or do you just go by "Orbert's Almost Band" in the real world as well?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on November 11, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Do you guys have a name? Or do you just go by "Orbert's Almost Band" in the real world as well?
I really want them to, but I doubt it...
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 11, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
Somewhere in this thread, I think I mentioned that the original band went by the name Oh Zone and that the current band is called FlashDrive.  But maybe not.

(https://imgur.com/cuVhoyi.jpg)

Cheesy logo I whipped up in half an hour using Word.  John is currently trying to hire people to come up with a more "professional" looking logo.  So far, he's spent $300 and they've all sucked.  We haven't officially voted or anything, but Jerry and Anne have said that they like this one fine, and don't see the point in changing it.

So he's having one of his sons work on it.  Since his son is a graphic designer, it will obviously be much better (yeah right).  And since it's his son, it will be free.  Mine was free, too.  I don't really care that much; I just don't want our logo to suck, and while this isn't exactly "professional" quality, it's sharp and easy to read, which none of the "professional" ones were.
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Post by: Calvin6s on November 11, 2015, 04:00:38 PM
How did you arrive at Flashdrive?
Title: Re: All musicians unite! - The Musicians Chat Thread
Post by: Orbert on November 11, 2015, 07:56:09 PM
FlashDrive, with a capital D.

Last year, after we'd lost our singer and bass player at the same time, we decided that we needed a new name.  At a band meeting, we'd decided on a new batch of songs, and this was before I'd set up my Dropbox, so we passed around flashdrives with the new songs on them.  Someone remarked that "flashdrive" was a cool, catchy word, also a relatively new word, having only been created in the past decade or so, but now quite common.  Good for a band name.  I pushed for the capital D.

John argued that it's Foghat, not FogHat; Coldplay, not ColdPlay; Soundgarden, not SoundGarden; and others.  All single words without a capital letter in the middle (something he personally dislikes, and which I agree with in general).  I pointed out that every one of those names aren't real words in the first place, but two separate words slammed together.  I thought that the idea was to take a common, everyday word and put a spin on it, not just use a common everyday word.  Anne said that she likes the big "D".  It emphasizes that it's two words that each sound like something.  "Flash" and "Drive" both are "action" sounding words.  Both are both nouns and verbs.  That kind of thing.

I just said Hey, Anne likes the big "D".  How can any guy argue with that?  And with that, I won the argument.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 11, 2015, 07:58:17 PM
hahaha she wants the big D
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Post by: Orbert on November 11, 2015, 07:59:35 PM
Exactly.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 11, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
I like the name. You should do it in the style of the Flashdance writing. :lol

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Post by: Lucien on November 11, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
Oh yeah, I finished the third movement of the symphony: https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1247851

here are the other two movements: https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/781356 https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1025111
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Post by: Calvin6s on November 12, 2015, 01:38:44 AM
How did you brainstorm that and not go with the name:
The Big d

Just make sure you don't become dated with FlashDrive.  If your band started earlier, you would be:
The Floppy d
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Post by: BlackInk on November 12, 2015, 02:23:33 AM
Brilliant  :lol
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Post by: Calvin6s on November 12, 2015, 03:02:26 AM
Oh yeah, I finished the third movement of the symphony: https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1247851

here are the other two movements: https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/781356 https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1025111

Nice work.  Do you just keep it on musescore or do you have your own instrument sounds elsewhere?
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Post by: Lucien on November 12, 2015, 04:26:26 PM
Oh yeah, I finished the third movement of the symphony: https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1247851

here are the other two movements: https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/781356 https://musescore.com/user/100120/scores/1025111

Nice work.  Do you just keep it on musescore or do you have your own instrument sounds elsewhere?

I have no knowledge or ability with sequencers, so the sheet music and sounds that come out of it are all I've got
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Post by: Calvin6s on November 12, 2015, 05:46:15 PM
I have no knowledge or ability with sequencers, so the sheet music and sounds that come out of it are all I've got
Do you have to drag/click it in note by note?  I do that, but hooking up a MIDI (USB) keyboard is much more conducive to getting it down quickly, naturally as well as experimenting more freely.

What did you study?  Videos, books, transcribing / reading / listening to famous recorded scores?  Besides the instrumentation (which you hinted is still being explored by you in your comments) do you free flow the song form, or do you set up charts/forms and try to keep with tradition?

One thing that is very aggravating about using MIDI, patches, programs, samples is that you hear something in your head and no matter how full and dynamic it sounds there, it seems a shell of itself in the programmed format.  It is fine for the composer because they can hear it in its full glory, but it can be annoying that the people you are sharing it with cannot.  You realize it is just a scratchpad, but to the listener it is the final product.

All that said, it sounds very good.  I listened to all 3 (but I only did about half of 1 because clicking on the next page of comments stopped it and I didn't know where it cut).

What are your short term and long term goals with this?
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Post by: Orbert on November 12, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
I like the name. You should do it in the style of the Flashdance writing. :lol

I want to see one of the professional guys come with that.  That could be fun.  I have not the skill.  The "logo" I came up with is basically Word Art, although I did cook up the outline color and custom fill gradients to match the lightning bolt (which was just clip art I found on the net).

(https://imgur.com/cuVhoyi.jpg)

Click on it to biggify.  There's actually a bit of detail to it, which I'm kinda proud of.


In other news, we already have a guitarist/singer lined up to audition a week from Saturday, which would have been our next scheduled practice anyway.  His name is Pat, he's about our age and background.  The band he was in before was really good; in fact, they got so good that they were working every week, sometimes twice a week (one-nighters Friday and Saturday probably) which was really getting to be too much, as most of them have full-time day jobs.  So he ended up leaving that band and taking a break, but now he wants to get back into playing.  Once or twice a month, tops, and that's perfect because that's exactly what we'd already decided on.  We don't want to gig every weekend, certainly not twice a week.  Once or twice a month sounds about right.

I've seen an old promo video of his former band on YouTube.  Guitar sounded pretty good, vocals sounded great.  He was one of three singers in the band, and the promo vid showed that off, but we got to hear him sing a verse of "Come Sail Away" and "Footloose" and he's got that high voice that sounds pretty effortless.  As an added bonus, the video was made at the same crummy bar we played at a few weeks ago, our one and only gig.  When I recognized it, I chuckled mightily.

Anyway, John has already talked to him, he says he knows a lot of the songs in our list.  They're going to decide on four songs for the audition.  We usually work on four songs every two weeks, so this will be basically like a practice session.  I do not know if Anne is the one who "found" him or what, but he said he's worked with Anne before and he likes her.  So that right there is a big step up over Steve, who told me point blank that he didn't really like