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General => Polls/Survivors => Topic started by: splent on July 15, 2009, 10:24:37 AM
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Previous years results:
2005:
1. A Change of Seasons
2. Learning to Live
3. Octavarium
4. Voices
5. Home
6. Take the Time
7. Stream of Consciousness
8. Lines in the Sand
9. Scarred
10. Trial of Tears
11. Overture 1928
12. The Glass Prison
13. In the Name of God
14. The Root of All Evil
15. Only a Matter of Time
16. Blind Faith
17. A Fortune in Lies
2006:
1. A Change of Seasons
2. Learning to Live
3. Metropolis Pt. 1
4. Octavarium
5. The Glass Prison
6. Take the Time
7. Voices
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
9. Scarred
10. In the Name of God
11. Raise the Knife
12. Trial of Tears
13. Stream of Conciousness
14. Lines in the Sand
15. Home
16. The Root of All Evil
17. Overture 1928
18. The Killing Hand
19. Only A Matter of Time
20. Another Won
2007:
1. A Change of Seasons
2. Octavarium
3. Metropolis Pt. 1
4. Learning to Live
5. Voices
6. The Glass Prison
7. In the Name of God
8. Take the Time
9. Lines in the Sand
10. Trial of Tears
11. Home
12. In the Presence of Enemies
13. Scarred
14. Blind Faith
15. Stream of Conciousness
16. Raise the Knife
17. The Ministry of Lost Souls
18. The Dark Eternal Night
19. The Mirror
20. Finally Free
21. Only A Matter of Time
22. These Walls
23. A Fortune in Lies
24. To Live Forever
25. Another Won
2008:
1. Octavarium
2. A Change of Seasons
3. Learning to Live
4. Metropolis Pt. 1
5. The Glass Prison
6. In the Name of God
7. Voices
8. Trial of Tears
9. Take the Time
10. Scarred
11. Strange Deja Vu
12. Lines in the Sand
13. Overture 1928
14. Stream of Conciousness
15. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
16. Fatal Tragedy
17. In the Presence of Enemies
18. The Root of All Evil
19. Raise the Knife
20. A Fortune In Lies
21. Blind Faith
22. The Ministry of Lost Souls
23. Another Won
24. Speak to Me
25. Only A Matter of Time
2009:
1. Octavarium
2. Metropolis Pt. 1
3. A Change of Seasons
4. The Glass Prison
5. Learning to Live
6. Voices
7. In the Name of God
8. The Count of Tuscany
9. Trial of Tears
10. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
11. Home
12. Take the Time
13. A Nightmare to Remember
14. Lines in the Sand
15. Fatal Tragedy
16. In the Presence of Enemies
17. Finally Free
18. The Root Of All Evil
19. Stream of Conciousness
20. Raise the Knife
21. Ytse Jam
22. A Fortune In Lies
23. Scarred
24. The Dark Eternal Night
25. Speak to Me
2010:
1. Learning to Live
2. A Change of Seasons
3. Metropolis Pt. 1
4. Octavarium
5. Voices
6. Trial of Tears.
7. The Glass Prison
8. Home
9. Erotomania
10. Fatal Tragedy
11. Take the Time/
11. Lines in the Sand
13. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
14. In the Name of God
15. The Count of Tuscany
16. Blind Faith
17. The Root of All Evil
18. In the Presence of Enemies
19. A Nightmare to Remember
20. Stream of Consciousness
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
22. Ytse Jam
23. Raise the Knife
24. A Fortune in Lies
25. To Live Forever
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2009 album results:
WHEN DREAM AND DAY UNITE
1. A Fortune In Lies
2. Ytse Jam
3. Afterlife
4. The Killing Hand
5. Only A Matter of Time
6. Light Fuse and Get Away
7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
8. Status Seeker
IMAGES AND WORDS
1. Metropolis Pt. 1
2. Learning to Live
3. Take the Time
4. Under A Glass Moon
5. Pull me Under
6. Surrounded
7. Another Day
8. Wait for Sleep
AWAKE
1. Voices
2. Scarred
3. The Mirror
4. 6:00
5. Erotomania
6. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
7. Lie
8. The Silent Man
9. Innocence Faded
10. Caught in A Web
11. Space Dye Vest
FALLING INTO INFINITY
1. Trial of Tears
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Peruvian Skies
5. New Millennium
6. Hollow Years
7. Anna Lee
8. Take Away My Pain
9. Just Let Me Breathe
10. Burning My Soul
11. You Not Me
UNRELEASED
1. Raise the Knife
2. Speak to Me
3. Another Won
4. Don't Look Past Me
5. To Live Forever
6. The Way It Used To Be
7. Cover My Eyes
7. Eve
9. Your Majesty
10. March of the Tyrant
11. Two Far
12. Where Are You Now
12. Vital Star
14. A Vision
SCENES FROM A MEMORY
1. Home
2. Finally Free
3. Fatal Tragedy
4. Overture 1928
5. Strange Deja-Vu
6. The Spirit Carries On
7. One Last Time
8. The Dance of Eternity
9. Beyond this Life
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Through My Words
12. Regression
SIX DEGREES OF INNER TURBULENCE
1. The Glass Prison
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
3. Blind Faith
4. Misunderstood
5. Disappear
6. The Great Debate
TRAIN OF THOUGHT
1. In the Name of God
2. Stream of Conciousness
3. As I Am
4. This Dying Soul
5. Honor Thy Father
6. Endless Sacrifice
7. Vacant
OCTAVARIUM
1. Octavarium
2. The Root of All Evil
3. These Walls
4. Panic Attack
5. Sacrificed Sons
6. I Walk Beside You
7. Never enough
8. The Answer Lies Within
SYSTEMATIC CHAOS
1. In The Presence of Enemies
2. The Dark Eternal Night
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls
4. Constant Motion
5. Forsaken
6. Repentance
7. Prophets of War
BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS
1. The Count of Tuscany
2. A Nightmare to Remember
3. The Shattered Fortress
4. Wither
5. The Best of Times
6. A Rite of Passage
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2010 album results:
When Dream and Day Unite
1. A Fortune In Lies
2. Ytse Jam
3. Only A Matter Of Time
4. The Killing Hand
5. Afterlife
6. Light Fuse and Get Away
7. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
8. Status Seeker
Images and Words
1. Learning to Live
2. Metropolis Pt. 1
3. Take the Time (gets to the final through Consolation survivor)
4. Under A Glass Moon
5. Pull Me Under
6. Surrounded
7. Another Day
8. Wait for Sleep
Awake
1. Voices
2. Erotomania
3. 6:00
4. The Mirror
5. Scarred
6. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
7. Caught In A Web
8. Lie
9. Innocence Faded
10. Space Dye Vest
11. The Silent Man
Falling Into Infinity
1. Trial of Tears
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Peruvian Skies
5. Hollow Years
6. New Millennium
7. Anna Lee
8. Take Away My Pain
9. Just Let Me Breathe
9. Burning My Soul
11. You Not Me
Scenes From a Memory
1. Fatal Tragedy
2. Home
3. Finally Free
4. Overture 1928
5. The Spirit Carries On
6. Strange Deja Vu
7. Beyond this Life
8. The Dance of Eternity
9. One Last Time
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Regression
12. Through My Words
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (gets to the final through Consolation survivor)
4. Misunderstood
5. The Great Debate
6. Disappear
Train of Thought
1. In the Name of God
2. Stream of Conciousness
3. As I Am
4. This Dying Soul
5. Endless Sacrifice
6. Honor Thy Father
7. Vacant
Octavarium
1. Octavarium
2. The Root of All Evil
3. Sacrificed Sons
4. These Walls
5. Panic Attack
6. I Walk Beside You
7. Never Enough
7. The Answer Lies Within
Systematic Chaos
1. In the Presence of Enemies
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls
3. The Dark Eternal Night
4. Constant Motion
5. Repentance
6. Forsaken
7. Prophets of War
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
1. The Count of Tuscany
2. A Nightmare to Remember
3. The Best of Times
4. The Shattered Fortress
5. Wither
6. A Rite of Passage
Demos/Singles/Other
1. Raise the Knife
2. To Live Forever
3. Speak to Me
4. Eve
5. The Way It Used To be
6. Don't Look Past Me
7. Cover My Eyes
8. Another Won
9. Where Are You Now
10. Your Majesty
11. Bombay Vindaloo
12. Raw Dog
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2012 album results:
When Dream and Day Unite
1.A Fortune In Lies
2. The Killing Hand
3. Ytse Jam
4. Afterlife
5. Only A Matter of Time
6. Light Fuse And Get Away
7. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
8. Status Seeker
Images and Words
1.Metropolis Pt. 1
2. Learning to Live
3. Take The Time
4. Under A Glass Moon
5. Surrounded
6. Wait for Sleep
7. Pull Me Under
8. Another Day
Awake
1. Voices
2. Scarred
3. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
4. Erotomania
5. The Mirror
6. 6:00
7. Caught In A Web
8. Innocence Faded
9. The Silent Man
10. Space Dye Vest
11. Lie
Falling Into Infinity
1. Trial of Tears
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Peruvian Skies
5. Hollow Years
6. New Millennium
7. Anna Lee
8. Take Away My Pain
9. Burning My Soul
10. Just Let Me Breathe
11. You Not Me
Scenes From a Memory
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9. One Last Time
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Through My Words
12. Regression
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
4. The Great Debate
5. Misunderstood
6. Disappear
Train of Thought
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Octavarium
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Systematic Chaos
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Black Clouds and Silver Linings
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A Dramatic Turn of Events
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Majesty
1. Another Won
2. Your Majesty
3. Two Far
4. A Vision
5. March of the Tyrant
6. Vital Star
FII Demos
1. Raise the Knife
2. Speak to Me
3. The Way it Used To Be
4. Where Are You Now
5. Cover My Eyes
Non-Albums
1. A Change of Seasons
2. To Live Forever
3. Eve
4. Don't Look Past Me
5. Raw Dog
6. Bombay Vindaloo
7. Resurrection of Ernie
8. The School Song
Demos/Singles/Other
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Wow, what happened to Six Degrees between 2006 and 2007?
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Wow, what happened to Six Degrees between 2006 and 2007?
Six Degrees was voted off 4th in 2007. This was after DT played Blind Faith during the tour. So everyone was like "THIS SONG IS AMAZING" even though it's nothing special.
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Splent a quick reminder about locking polls that ended.
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Learning To Live - 28
Metropolis -27
Fucking Epic
If I was around to vote, it would have been tied.
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This thread should be renamed: "DTF's list of failure"
Because that's what it's gonna be in the end <_<
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Great idea!
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THANK YOU GIGABLAST!!!
Typed in "Dream Theater Survivor", up pops final results, CACHED!!!!
I'm so happy right now.
And then I got a PM with the 2005 results (minus one song, so I just put my best guess as to what it was), so yay!
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Wonder how TCOT will hold up? I reckon around 5th/6th.
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Are we doing SFAM or what.. *gets bitchy* :lol
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Are we doing SFAM or what.. *gets bitchy* :lol
I think Splent has already said that the unreleased songs go first.
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Are we doing SFAM or what.. *gets bitchy* :lol
I think Splent has already said that the unreleased songs go first.
Awake is over now. Unreleased isn't even gone to round 2 yet. We have usually had 2 going at once. Splent, and i don't mean this is a bad way, needs to do a round 2 of unreleased and maybe a round 1 of SFAM. But, that's my opinion.
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i just moved and don't have internet til tomorrow.
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i just moved and don't have internet til tomorrow.
Ok, then im guessing your not at your place when you posted this. :tup
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from my phone. Can't do polls on my phone
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from my phone. Can't do polls on my phone
Ah ok. That's weird...
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6DoIT Sub-Survivor, Results
1 - Solitary Shell
2 - About to Crash (Reprise)
3 - Losing Time/Grand Finale
4 - About to Crash
5 - The Test That Stumped Them All
6 - War Inside My Head
7 - Goodnight Kiss
8 - Overture
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Yo Splent, crazy idea, but for the finals have you considered for each round hiding the results until voting closes? Could be fun and would also eliminate tactical ganging up on songs!
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Yo Splent, crazy idea, but for the finals have you considered for each round hiding the results until voting closes? Could be fun and would also eliminate tactical ganging up on songs!
I like that. I don't know how to though
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Yo Splent, crazy idea, but for the finals have you considered for each round hiding the results until voting closes? Could be fun and would also eliminate tactical ganging up on songs!
I like that. I don't know how to though
That would be brutal.
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Yo Splent, crazy idea, but for the finals have you considered for each round hiding the results until voting closes? Could be fun and would also eliminate tactical ganging up on songs!
I like that. I don't know how to though
I'm positive there's an option on the poll screen. I agree with this. It will prevent any Scarred-protecting or attacking, or events like that.
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It would also be a true least-favorite survivor.
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Yeah, when you set the poll up, there's an option in there somewhere.
EDIT: Yeah the options are:
Show the poll's results to anyone.
Only show the results after someone has voted.
Only show the results after the poll has expired.
Just pick the last one! :)
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Boo! Voting "strategically" is part of the game.
If you want to change it next year, go ahead. But don't switch things up just for the end of the survivor.
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So it's that time of year again...
New changes to the new survivor proposed:
Hiding results until the voting was over was discussed last year. Do you guys want me to?
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I'm fine with it either way, I just think the rules should be consistant - i.e. not changing them during the survivor. I run my survivors hidden, but then again I generally don't run high particiaption survivors where a little influence goes a long way.
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Scarred is the second in Awake. Awesome.
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Yes, I think it should be hidden until voting ends.
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Survivors for DT are coming up? YES.
I vote for hidden.
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I also think it should be hidden until expiry again. Hopefully if it's consistent this time then people won't kick up a fuss. :lol
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Yeah, hidden is the way to go.
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Definitely hidden.
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Definitely hidden.
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im sorry, but i think that hiding the results is only for the people who were butthurt that scarred usually did well in the survivor. The reaction last year (hiding the results midway through awake) was immature and completely screwed up the survivor. The point of a survivor is for songs to SURVIVE. And liike the show, you may gang up on other songs to to save the ones you love
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im sorry, but i think that hiding the results is only for the people who were butthurt that scarred usually did well in the survivor. The reaction last year (hiding the results midway through awake) was immature and completely screwed up the survivor. The point of a survivor is for songs to SURVIVE. And liike the show, you may gang up on other songs to to save the ones you love
I agree with this. But as it seems, the results are going to be hidden anyway, so...
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The point of a survivor should be to vote for you least favorite song, not to use strategy to save your favorite ones. Hiding the results will help that.
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im sorry, but i think that hiding the results is only for the people who were butthurt that scarred usually did well in the survivor.
Just because some were sore about what happened doesn't mean that's the only reason some of us like hidden results. I actually missed most of last years survivor and whatever the controversy was but just prefer that option.
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im sorry, but i think that hiding the results is only for the people who were butthurt that scarred usually did well in the survivor. The reaction last year (hiding the results midway through awake) was immature and completely screwed up the survivor. The point of a survivor is for songs to SURVIVE. And liike the show, you may gang up on other songs to to save the ones you love
The timing of it was inspired by that, undoubtedly, but 1) many of us had been calling for hidden results for ages, and 2) Splent didn't make the change initially because we hadn't previously seen such pathetic levels of conspiring like that. Once he realised it was going on at that level, he made the change.
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The point of a survivor should be to vote for you least favorite song, not to use strategy to save your favorite ones. Hiding the results will help that.
No, the point of a survivor is to see which songs SURVIVE.
And I don't understand why everyone was so upset about this alleged conspiring. It may have seemed bad to you guys, but it didn't seem worse than the previous DT survivor. I say keep the results open.
I'm going to vote for what I think is the worse song. But if what I think is a GREAT song is in danger of being tossed out, I'm going to vote for something else to save it. BECAUSE IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE SONG IS WAY BETTER THAN OTHERS THINK.
So what's wrong with that?
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Nothing, but what's wrong with keeping it hidden? I prefer hidden but don't really care either way. The person running it gets to make a choice, and they also have to deal with people that want it each way. Run an alternate survivor where the voting is open if you want, assuming it does go as hidden for this one.
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The problem with the results being visible and the whole "teaming" thing is that it is completely illogical. It's not representative in any way and it's not like people actually team to save a song that's seriously in trouble, it's basically half-random and screws up the entire results. An example: we've got a survivor with four songs, let's call them Day After Day, Turn The Key, Let It Out and Freedom (yeah, I know). After 6 hours, the results are...
Day After Day - 1 vote
Turn The Key - 6 votes
Let It Out - 3 votes
Freedom - 0 votes
Six people who love Turn The Key enter the thread. PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 They'd vote for Freedom as it's their least favourite, but it won't save Turn The Key. So, let's vote for Let It Out as it has three votes already. And we get...
Day After Day - 1 vote
Turn The Key - 6 votes
Let It Out - 9 votes
Freedom - 0 votes
...and then, it turns out there are 5 more people who would love Freedom out this round and enter the thread later. Six people had wanted it out as well, but they decided to "vote strategically" to save their favourite, so there's no real chance to eliminate Freedom now. Even though it normally would be.
This is an example made up by me on the spot, but it actually happened more than once in 2009. It all goes down to which song gets several votes first, not the one which is really disliked by the most people. This completely messes up with the results, and you get such ridiculous situations like the whole "Operation: Scarred", which basically made every single round a duel until it was gone. This isn't exactly the point.
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The problem with the results being visible and the whole "teaming" thing is that it is completely illogical. It's not representative in any way and it's not like people actually team to save a song that's seriously in trouble
The problem I have with this is that a survivor is not supposed to be representative of the boards taste. Rather, it's a game. think about it.
And as for saving things that are in trouble? Uh, yeah they are in trouble. That's why people are regrouping (especially in Scarred's case)
If you want a ranking that's representative of the board, you do what Rich did and average all the board members' rankings
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It's a game that has a purpose. Football is also just a game, yet for some reason it has rules that e.g. determine the size of the playing field even in centimetres and every mistake is extremely important...
And, you missed the point of my post.
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It's a game that has a purpose. Football is also just a game, yet for some reason it has rules that e.g. determine the size of the playing field even in centimetres and every mistake is extremely important...
And, you missed the point of my post.
These survivors are supposed to be good natured fun. Imposing all these rules on them would make them less fun. Unlike football, the goal isn't to be the best. I'll reiterate again: THE GOAL IS FOR A SINGLE SONG TO SURVIVE TO THE TOP, HENCE THE NAME SURVIVOR.
The fact that people got so upset over what happened with Scarred is sad. If I don't like a result, I may say so, but at the end of the day, it's just a fucking game, and people need to get over it
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
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It is a game, and when the results are shown during voting there is no reason to assume collusion will not take place. That's just part of the game when it is run that way as it is bound to happen if a subset of the players wishes so. That's fine, you just have to accept it as such if the game is run that way.
Running it as hidden is just a different game, one that make collusion more difficult. Of course it will probably get different results, and ones being less influenced by gaming.
The choice here is what type of game to run, not what is the right way to run a certain game. Do people prefer open gaming or not.
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
It's a problem because, as I had previously said, those who want the results hidden are those who get butthurt about the collusion. Just because you don't like it does not mean you should eliminate the possibility
And what's this about "ruining" results? How can you "ruin" something that has an unclear outcome? THAT'S illogical
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
It's a problem because, as I had previously said, those who want the results hidden are those who get butthurt about the collusion.
But, those who want the results open are those who are afraid of being "butthurt" this time around.
Besides, Splent wanted it all along last year.
And the Scarred haters weren't the only complainers last year. When Splent changed it to hidden results and Scarred went out after 3 rounds or so, and the Scarred fanboys cried "foul!" thinking that it was some mass conspiracy.
It's not at one-sided as you seem to make it out to be.
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
It's a problem because, as I had previously said, those who want the results hidden are those who get butthurt about the collusion. Just because you don't like it does not mean you should eliminate the possibility
And what's this about "ruining" results? How can you "ruin" something that has an unclear outcome? THAT'S illogical
Because they want the survivor to be more fun. If most people want it, then it should be changed, simple.
Look at the example I posted above. Several rounds of something like this and the entire results fall apart and you get something totally ridiculous. I'd have to take a look where exactly it happened (it's 5 AM so I guess I'd rather go to bed now... but tomorrow), but it definitely did.
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
It's a problem because, as I had previously said, those who want the results hidden are those who get butthurt about the collusion. Just because you don't like it does not mean you should eliminate the possibility
And what's this about "ruining" results? How can you "ruin" something that has an unclear outcome? THAT'S illogical
Because they want the survivor to be more fun. If most people want it, then it should be changed, simple.
Look at the example I posted above. Several rounds of something like this and the entire results fall apart and you get something totally ridiculous. I'd have to take a look where exactly it happened (it's 5 AM so I guess I'd rather go to bed now... but tomorrow), but it definitely did.
Well, a prime example is the Awake portion.
Basically, whichever song aside from Scarred that was unlucky enough to get the first vote would be ganged up on to save Scarred.
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
It's a problem because, as I had previously said, those who want the results hidden are those who get butthurt about the collusion. Just because you don't like it does not mean you should eliminate the possibility
And what's this about "ruining" results? How can you "ruin" something that has an unclear outcome? THAT'S illogical
Because they want the survivor to be more fun. If most people want it, then it should be changed, simple.
Look at the example I posted above. Several rounds of something like this and the entire results fall apart and you get something totally ridiculous. I'd have to take a look where exactly it happened (it's 5 AM so I guess I'd rather go to bed now... but tomorrow), but it definitely did.
Totally ridiculous according to you. The opinion of one man means nothing in a survivor. It is the opinion of the majority. And if the majority wants to 'save' something because they feel it's the better song, then why shouldn't they be able to?
Your argument seems to be that voting like that is illogical. Given that these games aren't about logic, your entire point is moot. You do not decide what is logical for a group to do. Again, it's all a matter of opinion
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Then if it is just a game, what's the problem with making the results hidden? :lol
The point of a game is to be fun, and it's not fun if it's completely illogical and doesn't make any sense. As simple as this. (And I don't remember any particular problems I had with certain songs eliminated/not eliminated because of the teaming. But I remember it could basically ruin the entire survivor.)
It's a problem because, as I had previously said, those who want the results hidden are those who get butthurt about the collusion.
But, those who want the results open are those who are afraid of being "butthurt" this time around.
Besides, Splent wanted it all along last year.
And the Scarred haters weren't the only complainers last year. When Splent changed it to hidden results and Scarred went out after 3 rounds or so, and the Scarred fanboys cried "foul!" thinking that it was some mass conspiracy.
It's not at one-sided as you seem to make it out to be.
It was foul because it was done mid-survivor. And the main reason it was done was so that they could stop this so-called conspiracy. I fail to see what is bad about it.
If your argument is that it messes up results, I ask you how exactly the results can be messed up because there's no standard result to compare it to.
If your argument is that this isn't the point of a survivor, I ask you what is. As I see it, as I've stated over and over again, the point is for what people think is the best song to SURVIVE as long as possible
The point of these isn't to get an accurate ranking. Again, that's what Rich did earlier this year. If you want an accurate ranking, do that
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My argument is none of those things, and I would ask that you calm down, sir.
Frankly, I stopped expecting survivors to be an accurate representation of anyone's ranking of songs, nor a viable average for voters to agree on.
The results are what they are, and I don't pretend that they're anything else.
But, people have they're own ideas on how the survivor should be run. Like you said: it's a game. So play or don't, but please don't act like a suck when you're in the minority on the decision here. "The opinion of one man means nothing in a survivor" You're right. If the majority wants to change it to hidden, than so be it.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Splent had already made up his mind.
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This is so much fun, already.
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I'm sure he has. I just don't see the point. It still seems like just a way for Scarred haters to get their way, even though the game itself suggests that it shouldn't
Splent alienated a lot of people by hiding the results mid-survivor. I may be the only one arguing for keeping the results open, but I'll be damned if I'm the only one who thinks what I do.
I'm even irritated that BF is keeping the Opeth survivor closed. It really doesn't need to be. I've never seen a 'conspiracy' for any survivor except for DT. And that's only because opinions on DT are far more varied than those for other bands represented here.
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PLM, your argument is ridiculous and seems to be entirely based around the word "Survive". The whole point is, the song that survives is the one that is least disliked.
Essentially it comes down to this:
If the results are hidden, all voters are in the same position.
If the results are visible, people who vote later get a massive advantage to vote tactically.
Now I'm sorry, I understand personal preference and all that, but when it comes to fairness, there's no way anyone can possibly try and argue that the latter is more fair.
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How exactly would a survivor qualify as 'fair'?
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Surely the point is to get as fair a reflection of the opinions of the voters as possible? Otherwise what's the point of doing it at all?
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It is a game, so the point would be to entertain those of us on the forum. It doesn't have to be fair for that.
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I keep saying that the point of these isn't to get an accurate ranking/opinion. A lot of it is dependent on participation as well. I'm going to pick a controversial song as an example: Space-Dye Vest
Say that more than 50% of the board loves this song and want to see it advance to at least 3rd place in the album. Now, while this survivor is going on, most of these people are away from the board, either due to vacation, computer failure, or otherwise. A hardcore minority who hate the song will be able to kick it out 3rd or 4th round because these guys aren't around to vote for something else.
So, if the majority does happen to think that Space-Dye Vest is a top 3 song, and it gets 8th place, how is it a fair representation of the boards will?
Either way, these survivors don't necessarily represent the opinion of the board as a whle (or even close, for that matter). It can go either way. It's best to just treat this as a game, and nothing more
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But, the exact opposite worked in favour of Scarred last year.
There are lots of Scarred haters, but the song managed to get 2nd place on Awake, despite what a fair percentage of the board feels. Granted, it was because the voting was strategic, but that's part of the game.
This time, we're playing the game differently. Frankly, I haven't even heard one person speak up and say "Oh good! This way Scarred will be voted out earlier!" As far as I'm concerned this decision is based on equal opportunities for all songs, not some big conspiracy...
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How does this get rid of the conspiracy? It makes it bit harder to see, but it's still there. Now if you really want to end the conspiracy hide the votes and stop people from posting their votes.
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I say, lets have a survivor with hidden results this year, and see how it works out.
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There is no conspiracy, it's in the open so it's just gaming.
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How does this get rid of the conspiracy? It makes it bit harder to see, but it's still there. Now if you really want to end the conspiracy hide the votes and stop people from posting their votes.
And ban private messages
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Frankly, I haven't even heard one person speak up and say "Oh good! This way Scarred will be voted out earlier!" As far as I'm concerned this decision is based on equal opportunities for all songs, not some big conspiracy...
This. People want it to be fairer and equal for all songs, not because of Scarred (even though it may have been the incident that sparked the controversy). Whereas those wanting to keep things open are only doing so because they want to have more influence than other people so they can keep their favourites in.
How does this get rid of the conspiracy? It makes it bit harder to see, but it's still there. Now if you really want to end the conspiracy hide the votes and stop people from posting their votes.
Well, only about 10-20% of voters actually post their votes, so you can't always tell much from that anyway. And in terms of PMs, obviously we can't monitor that but if people are actually being childish enough to do that then they probably need to find something better to do with their lives. :lol
That said, I very much doubt it is actually the case.
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Here is the deal.
I originally did not want the results hidden, because that is the way that it always was when it was initially done back in 2005. However, last year there was so much "vote this song off to save that song". The "Save/Kill Scarred" shit really pissed me off. That did prompt me to start hiding the results.
PLM, the choice is to survive. However, on the show, the results aren't shown until after everyone votes. While it's strategic for them, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
When the survivor begins on Thursday, I will start hiding everything.
Also, on a different note, Raw Dog will be included in the newly named Unreleased/Singles "album".
And I think that A Change Of Seasons will automatically again enter the finals. I mean, it just makes sense, it's in the top two every year...
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Yeah, I think comparisons to the show can pretty much be rendered moot...the comparisons pretty much end in the purpose alone.
You don't see Innocence Faded beating Voices in an obstacle course to win a much-needed immunity, forcing the other songs to vote off The Mirror, because it's too much of a physical threat. Nor do you see Beyond This Life going out to fish everyday, all the while One Last Time approaches Overture 1928 about blindsiding him. And I've certainly never seen Panic Attack plead to the jury to vote for it over Octavarium because it "played the game from day one" and maybe had to betray These Walls and I Walk Beside You to get to where it is.
I could do a few more comparisons, but I think I'll stop there...
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Sorry setrataeso but that analogy is just silly.
And as for hiding the results, I still don't see how hiding it will "positively" affect the results. Since splent just admitted that the 'Scarred' thing pissed him off and thus started the hiding thing... It kinda confirms what i've been saying all along...
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Sorry setrataeso but that analogy is just silly.
And as for hiding the results, I still don't see how hiding it will "positively" affect the results. Since splent just admitted that the 'Scarred' thing pissed him off and thus started the hiding thing... It kinda confirms what i've been saying all along...
It was still fun to come up with :P
And Splent didn't say he's on either side of the 'Scarred thing', he just implied that the debacle between the two tribes of haters and lovers was getting in the way of making the survivor fun.
At least if the results are hidden, we're not going to go through the same steps we did last year.
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This survivor is pissing me off more than the last one already.
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Sorry setrataeso but that analogy is just silly.
And as for hiding the results, I still don't see how hiding it will "positively" affect the results. Since splent just admitted that the 'Scarred' thing pissed him off and thus started the hiding thing... It kinda confirms what i've been saying all along...
It was still fun to come up with :P
And Splent didn't say he's on either side of the 'Scarred thing', he just implied that the debacle between the two tribes of haters and lovers was getting in the way of making the survivor fun.
At least if the results are hidden, we're not going to go through the same steps we did last year.
That.
The Scarred fanboys need to let it go already. :lol
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Ahhhh where is it?? :dangerwillrobinson:
:lol I've been bored all day at work and have been looking forward to this survivor.
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Sorry setrataeso but that analogy is just silly.
And as for hiding the results, I still don't see how hiding it will "positively" affect the results. Since splent just admitted that the 'Scarred' thing pissed him off and thus started the hiding thing... It kinda confirms what i've been saying all along...
It was still fun to come up with :P
And Splent didn't say he's on either side of the 'Scarred thing', he just implied that the debacle between the two tribes of haters and lovers was getting in the way of making the survivor fun.
At least if the results are hidden, we're not going to go through the same steps we did last year.
That.
The Scarred fanboys need to let it go already. :lol
I'm not even a Scarred fanboy
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Ahhhh where is it?? :dangerwillrobinson:
:lol I've been bored all day at work and have been looking forward to this survivor.
It's here now.
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Just voted in my first Survivor poll (Images and Words), and I've got the idea that you pick your least favourite song. Learnt that the hard way by going straight in to one poll and voting for my favourite song, before I noticed the question. :facepalm:
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I did tell Splent to include the rules in the OP for each round in case any new people want to get involved, but he must have either not seen my post, or ignored it. :sadpanda:
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I did tell Splent to include the rules in the OP for each round in case any new people want to get involved, but he must have either not seen my post, or ignored it. :sadpanda:
I did not see it. My bad.
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Um, the WDADU "final round" is surely not the final round, we'll still need to vote a winner after this!
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Um, the WDADU "final round" is surely not the final round, we'll still need to vote a winner after this!
Isn't that what the finals are for?
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Um, the WDADU "final round" is surely not the final round, we'll still need to vote a winner after this!
If you guys want a true final round, let me know, I'll do it. I know in years past I did, but last year I decided not to and just posted the top two as moving on to the final, for time constraints. I don't want this to go into like the end of January like it did in 2008. Or was it 2007?
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I'm sure we can cope if it overruns a bit. Isn't it more interesting to get a final ranking?
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I'm sure we can cope if it overruns a bit. Isn't it more interesting to get a final ranking?
Yes.
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Is there any point in a Round 1 for the Falling Into Infinity Survivor? It's almost inevitable that You Not Me would be eliminated first in such a contest.
Discuss.
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Is there any point in a Round 1 for the Falling Into Infinity Survivor? It's almost inevitable that You Not Me would be eliminated first in such a contest.
Discuss.
My vote's going to Just Let Me Breathe.
Besides, I hate it when the OP skips the first round, assuming that everyone's going to vote for a particular song (usually the shortest).
skydivingninja did that with the Coheed survivors, and it pissed me off, since a bunch of great instrumental pieces got auto-eliminated.
So, don't skip rounds.
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My vote's going to Just Let Me Breathe.
Besides, I hate it when the OP skips the first round, assuming that everyone's going to vote for a particular song (usually the shortest).
skydivingninja did that with the Coheed survivors, and it pissed me off, since a bunch of great instrumental pieces got auto-eliminated.
So, don't skip rounds.
All of this.
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Sorry for my tardiness in the postings of rounds. I've had some major computer problems, I'm still dealing with them. I'm going to just post when I can at this point.
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So many albums running at the same time! :lol
And we still haven't had a proper final round for WDADU. :sadpanda:
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I'll do it and organize it. I was out of town for the last few days.
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Yup no worries. :tup
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Splent you forgot about Awake
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Splent you forgot about Awake
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No I didn't. I do awake and fif on alternate days. how long have you been here now?
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Well you also still had WDADU. So there are four albums up right now (two of which don't even matter at the moment)
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2010 album results:
WDADU
1. A Fortune In Lies
2. Ytse Jam
3. Only A Matter Of Time
4. The Killing Hand
5. Afterlife
6. Light Fuse and Get Away
7. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
8. Status Seeker
I&W
1. Learning to Live
2. Metropolis Pt. 1
3. Take the Time
4. Under A Glass Moon
5. Pull Me Under
6. Surrounded
7. Another Day
8. Wait for Sleep
AWAKE
1. Voices
2. Erotomania
3. 6:00
4. The Mirror
5. Scarred
6. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
7. Caught In A Web
8. Lie
9. Innocence Faded
10. Space Dye Vest
11. The Silent Man
FII
1. Trial of Tears
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Peruvian Skies
5. Hollow Years
6. New Millennium
7. Anna Lee
8. Take Away My Pain
9. Just Let Me Breathe
9. Burning My Soul
11. You Not Me
SFAM
1. Fatal Tragedy
2. Home
3. Finally Free
4. Overture 1928
5. The Spirit Carries On
6. Strange Deja Vu
7. Beyond this Life
8. The Dance of Eternity
9. One Last Time
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Regression
12. Through My Words
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
4. Misunderstood
5. The Great Debate
6. Disappear
Train of Thought
1.
2.
3. As I Am
4. This Dying Soul
5. Endless Sacrifice
6. Honor Thy Father
7. Vacant
Octavarium
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. I Walk Beside You
7. Never Enough
7. The Answer Lies Within
Systematic Chaos
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Demos/Singles/Other
1. Raise the Knife
2. To Live Forever
3. Speak to Me
4. Eve
5. The Way It Used To be
6. Don't Look Past Me
7. Cover My Eyes
8. Another Won
9. Where ARe You Now
10. Your Majesty
11. Bombay Vindaloo
12. Raw Dog
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Learning to Live is going all the way this year.
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Learning to Live is going all the way this year.
I'd love to see that, but the final round will always be ACOS vs Octavarium.
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Learning to Live is going all the way this year.
I'd love to see that, but the final round will always be ACOS vs Octavarium.
This. I'm very glad that LtL won the I&W survivor though, am I right in thinking that it's been Metropolis for the last couple of years?
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Learning to Live is going all the way this year.
I'd love to see that, but the final round will always be ACOS vs Octavarium.
This. I'm very glad that LtL won the I&W survivor though, am I right in thinking that it's been Metropolis for the last couple of years?
Yeah, I believe so.
Also, wasn't last year 8VM vs. Metropolis, with ACOS in 3rd?
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As a newcomer to this survivor, I'd like to ask: What songs go through to the Finals (Top 2 or just the winner), and is there a consolation round?
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Top 2 from each album go to the finals, and 3rd place goes to the consolation.
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How on earth is Splent managing to keep up with all these Survivors? I'm losing track now. Has Demos/Singles had its final? Hats off to you! :tup
Also (sorry for the questions lately; I'm a curious so-and-so), where does A Change of Seasons fit in?
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ACOS is automatically in the finals.
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You don't see Innocence Faded beating Voices in an obstacle course to win a much-needed immunity, forcing the other songs to vote off The Mirror, because it's too much of a physical threat. Nor do you see Beyond This Life going out to fish everyday, all the while One Last Time approaches Overture 1928 about blindsiding him. And I've certainly never seen Panic Attack plead to the jury to vote for it over Octavarium because it "played the game from day one" and maybe had to betray These Walls and I Walk Beside You to get to where it is.
I know it was posted a few months ago, but I would like to declare my love for this post.
That would be all. As you were...
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In case anyone missed it elsewhere, I will be running the survivor on splent's behalf for the time being while he prepares to become a dad (let's face it, as much as we all love the DT survivor, some things are slightly more important :P )
The first page of this thread already had all the album results for 2009, and fortunately the first reply after splent's original posts was mine, so I've edited in all the album results for 2010 so far if anyone wants to see them without trawling back through pages and pages of threads! :)
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And we're on to the finals! Just to let everyone know, the first 3 posts in this thread are now updated, the first one has all the results from the finals for the last few years, and the second and third posts have the 2009 and 2010 album results respectively.
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And the results of the 2010 survivor:
1. Learning to Live
2. A Change of Seasons
3. Metropolis Pt. 1
4. Octavarium
5. Voices
6. Trial of Tears.
7. The Glass Prison
8. Home
9. Erotomania
10. Fatal Tragedy
11. Take the Time/
11. Lines in the Sand
13. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
14. In the Name of God
15. The Count of Tuscany
16. Blind Faith
17. The Root of All Evil
18. In the Presence of Enemies
19. A Nightmare to Remember
20. Stream of Consciousness
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
22. Ytse Jam
23. Raise the Knife
24. A Fortune in Lies
25. To Live Forever
Am happy that LtL got its first win! :D It came 2nd in the first two years of the survivor, but dropped out of the top 2 since then, so it's nice to see a return to form. On the whole I'm fairly happy with the results; there are songs that I'd have liked to do a lot better, but what can you do.
DISCUSS
P.S. I've updated the OP with the results, and also the 2nd and 3rd posts now have all the results of the album survivors from this year and last.
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I'm really glad that LtL got its first win too! It's my #1 DT song so I couldn't be happier. Overall I'm pretty satisfied with the results - Six Degrees could be a little higher, and I thought the Count would be higher.
I've compiled a Spotify playlist with these in order so I can enjoy it the way DTF has voted them.
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I'm really glad that LtL got its first win too! It's my #1 DT song so I couldn't be happier. Overall I'm pretty satisfied with the results - Six Degrees could be a little higher, and I thought the Count would be higher.
I've compiled a Spotify playlist with these in order so I can enjoy it the way DTF has voted them.
I should do the same. lol
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https://open.spotify.com/user/zydar/playlist/0JJEobn9UogC0Z32iFLF3o
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https://open.spotify.com/user/zydar/playlist/0JJEobn9UogC0Z32iFLF3o
"0 tracks, no time"
Great playlist. :P
But yeah, LtL is my favourite DT song as well, never thought it would win after seeming to drop from the top 2 or 3. I would have liked to see TMOLS and TCOT do better to be honest, and there are some songs that I personally think deserve to be in the finals but never even made it at all, like Wither, Space Dye Vest and TGD. But alas, the will of the people is more important!
EDIT: Ok the playlist has updated now. :lol Yay Spotify! Yay Europe!
EDIT 2: Damn, 5 hours?! Maybe another time. :lol
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Hm weird, it works for me...
Edit: Ah nice! ;D
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I don't know what the #21-#25 are doing there. Great #1!
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Cool results. :)
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The results were pretty meh tbh.
Not really surprising, but still meh.
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My biggest complaint is that SDOIT did much worse than it should have. After looking at previous years' results I am shocked to see that its highest placing was only #8. SDOIT is a top 3 song.
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The biggest problem with the results is that 8 and 9 should've been lower and 14 and 15 should've been higher. imo
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My top 25:
1 A Change of Seasons
2 Metropolis
3 Learning to Live
4 Scarred
5 Wait for Sleep
6 A Nightmare to Remember
7 Lines in the Sand
8 The Glass Prison
9 Innocence Faded
10 In the Name of God
11 Eve
12 Blind Faith
13 Take the Time
14 Fatal Tragedy
15 Lie
16 The Count of Tuscany
17 Trial of Tears
18 Hell's Kitchen
19 The Dance of Eternity
20 Octavarium
21 This Dying Soul
22 The Killing Hand
23 To Live Forever
24 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
25 In the Presence of Enemies
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I would have been happy to see TMOLS, ITNOG, and TCOT get higher :)
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DT survivor to begin July 1
As usual. See ya Friday. We'll be partyin partyin yeah to celebrate the next edition of this DTF tradition. I believe this will be the 7th rendition? 6th? I don't remember.
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Majesty Demos in the back seat, Charlie Dominici in the front seat.
:friday:
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Woo
the survivor starts on Canada Day!
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*takes off clothes*
*looks at thread title*
This isn't the rape party...
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Can't wait !!
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What are we starting with? The Majesty Demos?
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I want to start, now !! :corn :corn :corn :corn :corn
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What are we starting with? The Majesty Demos?
As always, WDADU. I'll do the Majesty Demos thing later on, once I have exactly what I want to do figured out.
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Merged the update into this sticky thread, and also set up the results template on the first page. :)
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Ok, the update is up, 2012 will happen and WILL be completed. I promise what happened last time won't happen again. There WILL be a complete 2012 list by January or February. This thing may have to be started at the beginning of June from now on.
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All up and set up.
Anyways, heres a question for you. DT has 11 albums, plus including the demos/singles, = 12 albums. That means a top 24, and then a top 12 for the consolation song. To make it a top 25, that means only one song from the consolation round will move on. Do you want that, or do you want the top 6 from that round to be included to make it a top 30? That means more songs, less arguing, more people happy. What do you think?