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Title: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Cedar redaC on August 03, 2012, 10:21:39 PM
I've recently become a fan and I want to know: Dream Theater has obviously released several Fan-club CD's over the years. What's the deal with the American branch of the Fan-club? I can't seem to find it anywhere.  :huh:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 03, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
That's because the English-speaking branch isn't in America, it's in England - Voices UK.  Don't know their activity status these days though.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: rumborak on August 03, 2012, 10:26:02 PM
DT actually used to have several fan clubs around the world. I think the UK Voices one is the only one remaining, right?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 03, 2012, 10:27:20 PM
I thought Ytsejammers Israel was still active... ?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: SeRoX on August 03, 2012, 10:36:21 PM
HOME Dream Theater Turkey Fan Club was very active as well. But now it seems inactive.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 03, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Weren't there French and Italian fan clubs too?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 03, 2012, 11:03:59 PM
Voices UK is the "official" english speaking fan club.

It's pretty much dead. not much going on over there... at least since the last time I logged in to the site.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 03, 2012, 11:05:14 PM
We should start the official North American fanclub! And by 'we' I mean people who live in North America.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 03, 2012, 11:07:06 PM
Voices UK is the "official" english speaking fan club.

It's pretty much dead. not much going on over there... at least since the last time I logged in to the site.

That's kinda sad... :sad:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 03, 2012, 11:36:08 PM
We should start the official North American fanclub! And by 'we' I mean people who live in North America.

I'd love this, and if anyone's serious about it I'd help with it here and there, however I could.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 03, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
I'd love this, and if anyone's serious about it I'd help with it here and there, however I could.

Honestly, I'd be totally up for it, but I haven't the slightest clue of how to actually start a fanclub. I mean, website aside, what would we need? I don't even know where to begin.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: wasteland on August 04, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Weren't there French and Italian fan clubs too?

The Italian FC died in 2007/2008, together with one of its founding members. I believe that there's still some degree of activity beneath the surface, but officially, Italian Dreamers closed in 2007.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 04, 2012, 12:02:07 PM
The Italian FC died in 2007/2008, together with one of its founding members. I believe that there's still some degree of activity beneath the surface, but officially, Italian Dreamers closed in 2007.

 Haaa!
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: rumborak on August 04, 2012, 12:15:52 PM
It's funny, once they became more popular their fan clubs started dwindling.
One factor might also have been Ytsejam Records. Fan clubs used to compile obscure recordings and create CDs out of them. Now with YouTube that's all pretty irrelevant. And magazines are kinda pointless too, now that everything is on the web.

rumborak
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 04, 2012, 12:29:04 PM
It's funny, once they became more popular their fan clubs started dwindling.
One factor might also have been Ytsejam Records. Fan clubs used to compile obscure recordings and create CDs out of them. Now with YouTube that's all pretty irrelevant. And magazines are kinda pointless too, now that everything is on the web.

rumborak

Well, internet in general is a factor too. I mean, back in the 90's, forums weren't such a huge thing (as far as I know), and yes because they were less popular, all these DT fans needed to find a way to connect with one another and stuff. But now, I mean, look at this site. Just because it's not labeled as a "fan club" doesn't mean it's not one. You need to sign up, get a membership, and once you do, you discuss all things Dream Theater with people here. Let's face it, this in itself is pretty much a fanclub, minus the perks.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Progmetty on August 04, 2012, 01:23:57 PM
We should start the official North American fanclub! And by 'we' I mean people who live in North America.

I'd love this, and if anyone's serious about it I'd help with it here and there, however I could.

I was gonna suggest that, it's a damn shame there isn't an official one here.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 04, 2012, 03:08:22 PM
Weren't there French and Italian fan clubs too?

The Italian FC died in 2007/2008, together with one of its founding members. I believe that there's still some degree of activity beneath the surface, but officially, Italian Dreamers closed in 2007.

Ah, okay - that's what I figured.  I just couldn't remember the timeline for their separate demises.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: KISS 76 on August 04, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
Metallica still has an awesome fan club... I think that if DT really cared & put more effort into it then they could have one just as nice.
It should be based in North America & put out some fanzines & Fan Club exclusives.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 04, 2012, 08:30:00 PM
It's funny, once they became more popular their fan clubs started dwindling.
One factor might also have been Ytsejam Records. Fan clubs used to compile obscure recordings and create CDs out of them. Now with YouTube that's all pretty irrelevant. And magazines are kinda pointless too, now that everything is on the web.

rumborak

Yeah, I thought this as a reason too. There's just nothing special a fanclub can really do when everything's online. I don't even think Voices UK has had a fanclub CD/DVD for a year or two now actually. The last one I remember is that Systematic Chaos era live show with really bad sound quality.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Zook on August 04, 2012, 08:43:43 PM
Isn't this forum pretty much a fan club without all the goodies?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 04, 2012, 09:55:41 PM
Isn't this forum pretty much a fan club without all the goodies?

That's what I said. Still, I wouldn't mind some goodies, haha.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 05, 2012, 02:24:44 AM
There's just nothing special a fanclub can really do when everything's online.

Not entirely true - as was pointed out, Metallica has a great fan club and they provide some exclusive things for their fans.

I think the big reason why we're seeing the failing of DT fan clubs is very simple: the people who have been doing the fan clubs have been doing it out of their own time and money (which I don't believe is the case with Metallica's fan club). They are not being funded by the band or it's management. They still have real lives, which means they have other responsibilities to take care of (family, bills, etc.) It's easier to run something like this when you're younger, single and have a lot more time on your hands. But as life continues, it becomes a bigger challenge with more responsibilities and changing priorities.

Personally, I think that for a fan club to succeed, the band really needs to hire someone (or even a small staff of people) full-time and give them the funding they need to run it properly - preferably someone who is mature, a longtime fan of the band, and knows them well; most definitely NOT someone connected to a record label. Until then, the fan clubs will disappear after a number of years, just as has happened before.

And I might add that I'm not trying to take anything away from the fan clubs that have existed - by and large they did some amazing things over the years, and my hat off to them for putting in the time and effort - I treasure all of my old fanzines and have no desire to ever part with them. And I'm happy to say that I have been able to contribute in a minor way to some of them. I certainly don't fault them for getting weighed down with day-to-day life that makes it next to impossible to keep things going. The only thing I can fault them for is biting off more than they chew, if they have continued accepting subscriptions but not really providing anything worthwhile.

It's certainly the reason why I'd never consider trying to start a fan club myself - I don't have the time or money to do so. And I'd recommend anyone seriously considering trying to start a fan club to really think things over before taking it on - there's a lot more to it than you probably imagine, and the majority of it isn't the fun stuff of getting to interview band members, taking photos at shows, etc.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Lolzeez on August 05, 2012, 03:40:12 AM
HOME is pretty much dead. (I'm from turkey)
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: KISS 76 on August 05, 2012, 04:57:15 AM
There's just nothing special a fanclub can really do when everything's online.

Not entirely true - as was pointed out, Metallica has a great fan club and they provide some exclusive things for their fans.

I think the big reason why we're seeing the failing of DT fan clubs is very simple: the people who have been doing the fan clubs have been doing it out of their own time and money (which I don't believe is the case with Metallica's fan club). They are not being funded by the band or it's management. They still have real lives, which means they have other responsibilities to take care of (family, bills, etc.) It's easier to run something like this when you're younger, single and have a lot more time on your hands. But as life continues, it becomes a bigger challenge with more responsibilities and changing priorities.

Personally, I think that for a fan club to succeed, the band really needs to hire someone (or even a small staff of people) full-time and give them the funding they need to run it properly - preferably someone who is mature, a longtime fan of the band, and knows them well; most definitely NOT someone connected to a record label. Until then, the fan clubs will disappear after a number of years, just as has happened before.

And I might add that I'm not trying to take anything away from the fan clubs that have existed - by and large they did some amazing things over the years, and my hat off to them for putting in the time and effort - I treasure all of my old fanzines and have no desire to ever part with them. And I'm happy to say that I have been able to contribute in a minor way to some of them. I certainly don't fault them for getting weighed down with day-to-day life that makes it next to impossible to keep things going. The only thing I can fault them for is biting off more than they chew, if they have continued accepting subscriptions but not really providing anything worthwhile.

It's certainly the reason why I'd never consider trying to start a fan club myself - I don't have the time or money to do so. And I'd recommend anyone seriously considering trying to start a fan club to really think things over before taking it on - there's a lot more to it than you probably imagine, and the majority of it isn't the fun stuff of getting to interview band members, taking photos at shows, etc.

I nominate Setlist Scotty as #1 full time DT paid fan club president...
I agree. Metallica have showed that these things are possible. One of the biggest draws to the fan clubs was the yearly exclusive CD or DVD. If the band provides a soundboard audio or some behind the scenes DVD the fans would continue to renew their membership. Metallica even have their official bootleg releases that do well for them.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 05, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
So apparently the Voices.UK fanclub is dissolving into a free forum with a section exclusive to those who donate. Fanzines are dead. I'm kinda annoyed that I paid the fee to join (which is good for 4 publications worth) and only got one before they said fuck it.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on August 05, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
I would be happy to be involved with running a North American fan club.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: rumborak on August 05, 2012, 07:07:20 PM
@ the comparison with Metallica: They are a different ballpark than DT. They can afford to have a full-time fanzine editor.

Not actually meaning this disparagingly, but MP also pretty much killed fan clubs. He *was* essentially a fan club, with the YJR releases, the Christmas presents, why would you want a fanzine when you can get it straight from the Man himself?

rumborak
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: MetropolisWatches on August 05, 2012, 07:55:46 PM
I would be happy to be involved with running a North American fan club.

Agreed. Sign me up as well.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Mosh on August 05, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
Yea..I'd be interested in helping start a fan club.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 05, 2012, 10:14:02 PM
I nominate Setlist Scotty as #1 full time DT paid fan club president...
I agree. Metallica have showed that these things are possible. One of the biggest draws to the fan clubs was the yearly exclusive CD or DVD. If the band provides a soundboard audio or some behind the scenes DVD the fans would continue to renew their membership. Metallica even have their official bootleg releases that do well for them.

Ha! I had a funny feeling someone was going to post something to that effect, and while I appreciate the thought, I would pass even if the band were to approach me to do it. I've got too much going on with my life to take that on. However, there is someone else I know personally that is a well-known DT fan that I think would be perfect to take on the role if the band were to consider it. I'm sure the vast majority of you know who he is too (hint: it ain't bosk).
 
 
So apparently the Voices.UK fanclub is dissolving into a free forum with a section exclusive to those who donate. Fanzines are dead. I'm kinda annoyed that I paid the fee to join (which is good for 4 publications worth) and only got one before they said fuck it.

Sorry to hear that - this is exactly the kind of "fault" I was making reference to. Not sure if you can, but personally I'd ask for a refund if you're not happy with what happened.
 
 
@ the comparison with Metallica: They are a different ballpark than DT. They can afford to have a full-time fanzine editor.

You do have a point, but I think if you were to pare down the scale of what Metallica does to something more appropriate for the scale of DT's fanbase, I'm sure the band could still afford to have someone do it for them. If nothing else, bump up the price of the meet 'n' greets by a little, include it in the contract with the record label or in some other way make it so that the band isn't paying that much. And make sure the price of membership is enough to cover all the costs so that it can be self-sufficient.

Also don't forget the possibility of it being an international fan club instead of a regional one, which would open it up to a wider fanbase too (tho likely English-speaking, since it would be difficult to provide content like fanzines, websites, etc. in multiple languages).
 
 
Not actually meaning this disparagingly, but MP also pretty much killed fan clubs. He *was* essentially a fan club, with the YJR releases, the Christmas presents, why would you want a fanzine when you can get it straight from the Man himself?

With MP being as active as he is on Twitter these days (including his spontaneous Twitter Q&As), you might have a point. But considering the fact that MP is no longer in the band, I fail to see what your point is. Even when he was in the band, the interviews he did for the fanzines were typically far more in depth than you'd read in most magazines or websites, and there was still plenty to talk about that he didn't respond to online or at least in depth. And with the rest of the guys in the band, aside from the initial burst of press that they all did around the time that ADToE was released, there aren't that many new interviews that they've done, and certainly not including the details diehard fans would want to know. Don't forget too that not every fan is online reading every little DT tidbit that most of us on here do. So I still think there's plenty of potential for there to be a fan club, complete with a fanzine (as long as it's put out in a timely manner; not a year after said interviews were done), contests, maybe some sort of exclusive releases (look at Neal Morse and all the exclusive releases he puts out for his fan club, as another example), etc.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: robwebster on August 06, 2012, 02:03:24 AM
I nominate Setlist Scotty as #1 full time DT paid fan club president...
I agree. Metallica have showed that these things are possible. One of the biggest draws to the fan clubs was the yearly exclusive CD or DVD. If the band provides a soundboard audio or some behind the scenes DVD the fans would continue to renew their membership. Metallica even have their official bootleg releases that do well for them.

Ha! I had a funny feeling someone was going to post something to that effect, and while I appreciate the thought, I would pass even if the band were to approach me to do it. I've got too much going on with my life to take that on. However, there is someone else I know personally that is a well-known DT fan that I think would be perfect to take on the role if the band were to consider it. I'm sure the vast majority of you know who he is too (hint: it ain't bosk).
I might just have not woken up yet, but I think I might be in the tiny minority who doesn't have a clue. Going by the hint, possibly Weymolith..?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Scorpion on August 06, 2012, 02:10:39 AM
I nominate Setlist Scotty as #1 full time DT paid fan club president...
I agree. Metallica have showed that these things are possible. One of the biggest draws to the fan clubs was the yearly exclusive CD or DVD. If the band provides a soundboard audio or some behind the scenes DVD the fans would continue to renew their membership. Metallica even have their official bootleg releases that do well for them.

Ha! I had a funny feeling someone was going to post something to that effect, and while I appreciate the thought, I would pass even if the band were to approach me to do it. I've got too much going on with my life to take that on. However, there is someone else I know personally that is a well-known DT fan that I think would be perfect to take on the role if the band were to consider it. I'm sure the vast majority of you know who he is too (hint: it ain't bosk).
I might just have not woken up yet, but I think I might be in the tiny minority who doesn't have a clue. Going by the hint, possibly Weymolith..?

Who's that?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 06, 2012, 02:12:56 AM
Prior admin/mod at MP.com
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 06, 2012, 02:14:22 AM
Prior admin/mod at MP.com

He did more than that. Geez, do you even know who the guy is?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 06, 2012, 02:15:49 AM
Prior admin/mod at MP.com

He did more than that. Geez, do you even know who the guy is?  :biggrin:

Nope. (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/derp.gif)
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Zydar on August 06, 2012, 02:16:44 AM
Prior admin/mod at MP.com

He did more than that. Geez, do you even know who the guy is?  :biggrin:

KevMo?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 06, 2012, 02:17:32 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Weymolith on August 06, 2012, 09:55:09 PM
Prior admin/mod at MP.com

He did more than that. Geez, do you even know who the guy is?  :biggrin:

Nope. (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/derp.gif)

Apparently I need to introduce myself the next time I roll over and push my morning wood into the small of your back. :)
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: bosk1 on August 06, 2012, 10:01:47 PM
From what I've heard, that would be the VERY small of her back.  Just sayin'.  :weymolith:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 06, 2012, 11:37:05 PM
VERY funny, boys... ::) :angry:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on August 07, 2012, 01:38:14 AM
Aha, I just caught on here.  I think I saw Debra and Weymolith in the Austin 11 show at Bass Theater, I was in the row behind you.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: wasteland on August 07, 2012, 04:27:08 AM
Prior admin/mod at MP.com

I totally missed the event/s that caused that "prior". When did he quit?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2012, 04:48:27 AM
From what I've heard, that would be the VERY small of her back.  Just sayin'.  :weymolith:
Or a very small wood! ;D
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 07, 2012, 11:45:56 AM
Aha, I just caught on here.  I think I saw Debra and Weymolith in the Austin 11 show at Bass Theater, I was in the row behind you.

That would 'splain it, yeah. :)

Prior admin/mod at MP.com

I totally missed the event/s that caused that "prior". When did he quit?

The original post is the most important. (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2726216)

From what I've heard, that would be the VERY small of her back.  Just sayin'.  :weymolith:
Or a very small wood! ;D

:icy:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: bosk1 on August 07, 2012, 12:35:09 PM
From what I've heard, that would be the VERY small of her back.  Just sayin'.  :weymolith:
Or a very small wood! ;D

That was kinda the point.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Zydar on August 07, 2012, 12:37:06 PM
(https://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/479178/thats_the_joke_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
From what I've heard, that would be the VERY small of her back.  Just sayin'.  :weymolith:
Or a very small wood! ;D

That was kinda the point.

Hey, I'm slow! :facepalm:
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: DebraKadabra on August 07, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
(https://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/479178/thats_the_joke_medium.jpg)

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: erasiel on July 29, 2013, 11:40:57 PM
DT actually used to have several fan clubs around the world. I think the UK Voices one is the only one remaining, right?

So we've covered the status of all the regional clubs but...whatever happened to the International Fan Club??

That's what needs to be resurrected...I suspect that the band would welcome and support it.

Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: noxon on July 30, 2013, 04:59:43 AM
Hello.

Currently, there's very few actual fan clubs that do anything active. There are remnants of the old fanclubs still alive (Voices website, Your Majesty website, Italian Dreamers website etc etc) with their own activity, but most never do anything anymore. The DTIFC (which really was more a moniker for the collaboration between the different fanclub with Theater of Dreams being the International (english language) variant) had it's last collaboration in 2006 with the Romavarium DVD. Here's the thing though - in 2004, when the last fanclub CD was made, Mike Portnoy basically told us that he would not provide us with any new material. We managed to convince him to do the DVD project, which resulted in "A Walk Beside the Band" and "Romavarium" (both were recorded on the same tour, with parts of the rome setlist ending up on "A Walk Beside The Band", and much of the remaining show on "Romavarium").

We (DTNorway) try to do stuff, but we've started to focus on doing things in the same timespan that DT follows nowadays - we usually release a fanzine every two year, around the time they visit norway. We also have tried to keep up with some free gifts (mainly calendars), but the fact of the matter is simple: The DT machine is a bit too predictable these days, and the band is simply not rock'n roll enough for us to gather material enough to keep a print fanzine with a higher regularity than that. If we try to do a fanzine when DT is on vacation, there's nothing to write about. If we try to do a fanzine when they're in studio, there's nothing to write about. So basically, some time after the album is out and preferably during the tour, there's enough information out there to warrant a proper fanzine. Fanzines are also outdated even before they get released... Internet is too fast, and what we've been providing is not that interesting anymore. And the thing is, we've not been very good at trying to evolve.

DTNorway has tried to keep something up online. Mainly, we've focused on podcasts, but they also suffer the same fate as that of the fanzines - in break periods there simply isn't enough to talk about, and none of the current (or even past members) really want to do a podcast if they don't have anything to promote. When DT visits norway, we have a preshow gathering at the venue, with surprises (in 2009 Jordan came up and visited us at the preshow party, and then we had a meet and greet for 20 of our members selected at random with the full band, in 2011 20 members got to see the soundcheck and say hello to the band and get a picture on stage with the band0.)

There's also, as Setlist Scotty said, the problem of us having lives. We've always done this out of pocket. The money the members pay us goes to cover our costs, but it's not always sufficient, and we do take risks (minor ones at that, because it's never more than we can manage should things not work out). We do this on our spare time, and what we do with the fanclubs is so far removed from what we -really- do in our careers (I mean, I've made many fanzines, but I've never worked as a typesetter ever - I'm a programmer by trade). And when we started the club, we were fairly young (i was 22 when I joined the DTNorway crew, and that was 12 years ago). We have kids to entertain, bills to pay, all that stuff. That's the main factor to why we now are much slower on the turnaround than we used to be.

All that being said - I have thought about the lack of a proper fanclub for a long time, and I do have outlines to a plan that could work. Problem is, it requires people with a certain dedication and willingness to work hard for nothing. If there's to be an International Fan Club again, I think it must be something along the lines of the following:
-Online Community, multilingual (news, forum, social networks)
-Regional "chapters" that can take responsibility for arranging events before/after DT shows, for instance
-Information site (discography, tourography, wiki, faq, etc)
-Member package for paying members (exclusive merch)
-Podcast/video channels
-Yearly gift (special fanzine, calendar etc)

The "problem" with trying to do all of that is that some of already exists, in different shapes and forms. The biggest problem with a fanclub right now is that it -must- be a community for it to survive and grow. You don't get members anymore if there's not a community part to it (look at metclub, a lot of the reason why people join the metclub is because of the community aspect to it). And pretty much any of us that has been working with DT for quite a long time already is not reliable to keep the fire going - the biggest problem with the existing fanclubs dying out was not the lack of access to the band or material, it was not the lack of members - it was that the people running the fanclubs not having the time, and there were noone there to pick up after them! I mean, I know that once me and John stop doing stuff for DTNorway, that means DTNorway is dead.

Some of those problems are solvable though. One thing might be to actually use the existing resources to build the fanclub from (DTF could be the seed of a fan club for instance), and using people with experience from running fanclubs already is very wise - but introduce enough new blood, and preferably a steady stream of new blood to keep things rolling should people get tired of it.

If people are interested in trying to do something more - please feel free to contact me.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: nobloodyname on July 30, 2013, 05:55:12 AM
Voices is pretty much dead these days and has been for a number of years. It's a shame, because at its height it was a wonderful community.

Some of us still log into the forum to chew the cud every now and then and many of us have VUK to thank for some lovely friendships which I've no doubt will last forever.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 30, 2013, 06:26:42 AM
For what it's worth, it would be cool if there was one place on the internet with all the wiki's, info's, inties, links to cool youtube channels, Tumblrs, subreddits, fanpages. We could expand band member bios and the official wiki's (what rob is trying to do with dtondt wikia and what I've still haven't started helping him on goddamit), use the DTF extended discography page/that Octavarium analysis site/DTFAQ, make a huge picture gallery, link to everything of interest, including past member sites - the bootleg people could expand MP's tourography/cyberdrummer's current DT tour chronicles with info's on whether there are recordings of the night available and where they can be found. There could be fogey stories of how they remember past ages of DT (that's my fave stuff to read here honestly), community interviews with the band members, people who speak other languages could translate all the content/news to their language (like The Shaman's Blog) etc.

DTF is a pretty good substitute for that, but I imagine it's hard to navigate DTF + all the other sites, official and unofficial, when you don't spend as much time on the internet as some of us do. And it's pretty hard to find it. Hell, I didn't register for three years because I wasn't "a forum person" - it never occurred to me that this was more than just a forum.

But just imagine how much work it takes to do all that internet stuff (organizing a community and an info site), and then consider moving it in the flesh-and-blood world, with arranging printing of fanzines and merch and maybe even bootlegs - yeah, fanclubs are definitely crazy amount of work. Even for us young single folk who have no babies and bills to take care of, real life can really get in the way - writing for group blogs and now for a webzine that oversaw a lot of personnel changes in just two years, I definitely know what I'm talking about. But if there's enough people that would like to see this happen, I guess it would be worth it asking people who already run their own DT fan blogs/wiki's/everything else and who are active in other communities would they be interested in something like that. I would.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Full Speed on July 30, 2013, 06:35:49 AM
Even if we do get some kind of NA fan club rolling, without DT/RR funding, I just see it drying up too quickly to be worth the trouble.

Now if someone does start something I'd be more than happy to donate or help out, but I can't see it lasting long term.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: noxon on July 30, 2013, 06:43:37 AM
Just for reference: at the peak of dtifc, all fanclubs had a combined membership of about 9000. I'm not sure that's an economical incentive enough to fund any "employees".

Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 30, 2013, 07:13:46 AM
I would be happy to be involved with running a North American fan club.

Agreed. Sign me up as well.

Me too. I can be the Canadian representative.  :tup
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Shadow2222 on July 30, 2013, 08:18:10 AM
Just for reference: at the peak of dtifc, all fanclubs had a combined membership of about 9000. I'm not sure that's an economical incentive enough to fund any "employees".

That is quite a valid point, and not much of an incentive to begin one in 2013.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 30, 2013, 08:29:38 AM
I'd LOVE to see this happen, but with all info available at the click of a mouse and youtube makes it impossible to have fanclub exclusive material.

But if anything happens I'd be there!
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Big Hath on July 30, 2013, 10:22:58 AM
For what it's worth, it would be cool if there was one place on the internet with all the wiki's, info's, inties, links to cool youtube channels, Tumblrs, subreddits, fanpages. We could expand band member bios and the official wiki's (what rob is trying to do with dtondt wikia and what I've still haven't started helping him on goddamit), use the DTF extended discography page/that Octavarium analysis site/DTFAQ, make a huge picture gallery, link to everything of interest, including past member sites - the bootleg people could expand MP's tourography/cyberdrummer's current DT tour chronicles with info's on whether there are recordings of the night available and where they can be found. There could be fogey stories of how they remember past ages of DT (that's my fave stuff to read here honestly), community interviews with the band members, people who speak other languages could translate all the content/news to their language (like The Shaman's Blog) etc.

I think it would be awesome to gather all the cool DT related stuff floating around the net in one location.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 30, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Here's the thing though - in 2004, when the last fanclub CD was made, Mike Portnoy basically told us that he would not provide us with any new material. We managed to convince him to do the DVD project, which resulted in "A Walk Beside the Band" and "Romavarium" (both were recorded on the same tour, with parts of the rome setlist ending up on "A Walk Beside The Band", and much of the remaining show on "Romavarium").



Why did he say that?  Did it have anything to do with the Ytsejam releases?
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 30, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
Here's the thing though - in 2004, when the last fanclub CD was made, Mike Portnoy basically told us that he would not provide us with any new material. We managed to convince him to do the DVD project, which resulted in "A Walk Beside the Band" and "Romavarium" (both were recorded on the same tour, with parts of the rome setlist ending up on "A Walk Beside The Band", and much of the remaining show on "Romavarium").

Why did he say that?  Did it have anything to do with the Ytsejam releases?
I'm not sure why he said it, but he did. And I doubt it had anything to do with Ytsejam releases, considering the number of shows he had to pick from that he could have given to the fan clubs. I think he just got tired of people expecting it, instead of it being a gift, as the CDs (and later, DVDs) were originally intended to be.

And for the record, there actually were two more fan club CDs that were released - in 2007, it was the 15th anniversary of Images and Words CD, and in 2008, highlights from PN08.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: philmcson on July 30, 2013, 01:44:54 PM
I'd love this, and if anyone's serious about it I'd help with it here and there, however I could.

Honestly, I'd be totally up for it, but I haven't the slightest clue of how to actually start a fanclub. I mean, website aside, what would we need? I don't even know where to begin.

T-shirts.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: noxon on July 30, 2013, 02:19:48 PM
Oh yeah, i forgot about the pn08 and images and words 15th cds.


I don't think, at this point, that yet another regional fan club is the way to go. Believe it or not, there have been several north american attempts over the years, all of which have dwindled down and died.

I think, at this time, the only way to successfully recreate a fanclub is make a fully international one, with a proper plan and a staff that's willing to work for free and expect nothing more than fame and glory in the community :P
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 30, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
I think, at this time, the only way to successfully recreate a fanclub is make a fully international one, with a proper plan and a staff that's willing to work for free and expect nothing more than fame and glory in the community :P

I'd be down for fame and glory. I'd be like, "I'm the representative of the international Dream Theater fan club, bitch."
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: erasiel on August 01, 2013, 12:24:55 AM
DT Norway seems to keep on trucking as well...even putting out a product of sorts. They have a podcast going, and have included a number of band interviews including JP this past April and MM in May.

https://www.dtnorway.com/tag/podcast/

10 episodes total, of which I haven't listened to any yet, but at least the interviews seem to have been conducted in English.

Near as I can tell, this is the only fanclub actually doing anything tangible. Maybe this is a good model for any sort of rebooted International Fan Club - doing everything digitally rather than attempting to do print magazines and fan CDs seems like the clear path.

Having an official "global" Dream Theater podcast would be a really cool thing....the possibilities would be endless. Just saying....
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 01, 2013, 12:43:08 AM
Near as I can tell, this is the only fanclub actually doing anything tangible. Maybe this is a good model for any sort of rebooted International Fan Club - doing everything digitally rather than attempting to do print magazines and fan CDs seems like the clear path.

Well, that's pretty much what I was thinking. Which was why I thought it'd be a good idea to revive the DT fanclub, or make a new, international one. Because it's so much easier to do now that the internet has become a household thing. I think it'd pretty much be like running the forum, but maybe get a little more involved in different communities around the world, still allowing for some distinction, but unified at the same time.
Title: Re: Fan Club Status?
Post by: noxon on August 01, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
DT Norway seems to keep on trucking as well...even putting out a product of sorts. They have a podcast going, and have included a number of band interviews including JP this past April and MM in May.

Yep, we do. And that's what I wrote up in my recommendation above ;)