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Title: Going clean & sober
Post by: ohgar on July 29, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
In a day or two (I can't remember) I will have been clean and sober for one week. I'm doing outpatient rehab which includes three group therapy sessions a week with random testing as well as a requirement to go to three twelve-step meetings a week. It sounds dreadful but it's really great. I never thought I could sober up; I thought I was beyond all hope, that my problems were too great to be fixable. It turns out there are people much worse off than me who are managing to stay clean, as I was bound to figure out.

As an atheist, I've always been turned off by twelve-step programs, but then someone explained to me that "God is sometimes just 'doing the right thing.'" That has helped me a lot, as well as the power of the community of addicts and alcoholics collectively staying clean and sober-- truthfully, I consider the community to be "my higher power."

I don't know for sure that I will be clean and sober forever. I just know that I will be clean and sober today. And tomorrow, I will tell myself the same thing.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Chino on July 29, 2012, 08:53:08 PM
I was getting shit hammered 4-7 nights a week for a good year. Then I fell off the balcony. After that I continued for another 9 months or so. I met the girl I am in love with, and now only drink maybe twice a month. It's usuall only 3 or 4 beers, far better than the 18+ I'd regularly kill. Drinking is so tough though because my 3 best friends are alcoholics.

I stopped smoking cigs with the exception of the occasional bum off a buddy if we are kayaking or something.

Keep up the good work!!!  :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: PuffyPat on July 29, 2012, 09:02:10 PM
First off, good for you man! Getting clean and sober is a lot harder than a lot of people want to make it out to be, and I hope that you can stick with it. Personally I haven't gone through it, but my mom has gone through a lot. She's slipped up a couple times, but she's always gotten back on the horse and kept going. Currently I believe that she is almost 6 years sober, and i just have to say that she is truly one of my greatest inspirations because she wasn't afraid to admit that she's made mistakes, and not just that but she has fixed those mistakes and become my one of my biggest role models.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Gadough on July 29, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
That's good to hear. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on July 29, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
Hey bud. I just hit 14 months sober yesterday after 30 years of heavy drinking and drugging that almost killed me. I attend meetings 5 to 6 times a week, have worked the steps with a sponsor, and have sponsored people. If you need anything, pm me.

Good luck bud.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: theseoafs on July 29, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
Good for you, man.  My father was in your shoes until he sobered up ~10 years ago with the help of AA.  It's a great program.

Keep it up.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 29, 2012, 10:45:26 PM
Congrats and good luck!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 29, 2012, 11:58:48 PM
Congrats to everyone who has battled this!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: yeshaberto on July 30, 2012, 12:58:28 AM
really cool to hear ohgar.
I will have 23 years in October from narcotics, and I can gladly say that it never goes away, but it does get much easier over time
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: wkiml on July 30, 2012, 05:41:44 AM
Congrats ....please use the program ..it works

My first try was 3 years ago in May I made it one year but didn't use the meeting or the therapy I just said I've got this beat. One year to the day I decided to celebrate, how by having a drink  :loser: within one weeks times I was in worse condition than the first time around ( when you relapse, you will go end up at a point as if you never quit I was downing a 1.75 of scotch a day) I checked back into a detox and this time around decided to work the program as it should be I can now say I have 26 months of a sober lifestyle. I attend  2-3 meeting a week have worked my steps with a sponsor, have reached out to others

I understand your uncertainity with a higher power, I was there too. I was raised Catholic but had alot of personal issues with the church and its teachings. I used the group therapy and the members of my meetings as my higher power as your are.

Just stick with it, it won't be easy but you have your group at home and a group here if you need it

Don't be afraid to reach out
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Nekov on July 30, 2012, 06:24:18 AM
Congratulations man. Keep it up  :)
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: rumborak on July 30, 2012, 07:16:27 AM
I used to smoke 1.5 packs/day for several years, so I can feel somewhat the pain of going cold turkey. My doc told me a while ago that I quit in 2003, which I think means my cancer risk has gone back down to normal level.

rumborak
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: jsem on July 31, 2012, 09:48:02 AM
My doc told me a while ago that I quit in 2003,
I don't understand this sentence.. your doc told you when you quit? what?
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: rumborak on July 31, 2012, 09:55:15 AM
My doc told me a while ago that I quit in 2003,
I don't understand this sentence.. your doc told you when you quit? what?

I had forgotten when exactly I quit, but my PCP had it on file and he pointed it out to me.

rumborak
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 31, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
Well done Bro!!  I'm pulling for you!!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: splent on July 31, 2012, 07:59:43 PM
Good for you!  Keep it up!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Ħ on July 31, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Tick on August 06, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
One day at a time!  :tup Feel stronger everyday!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 06, 2012, 02:14:49 PM
Thats good yo. I've been wanting to do this as well, because it got old for me. Same shit every night, being conformed to fit the party. It bugs me because it seems I'm the only one who's really changed, the rest act.the same as they did 5-10 years ago. Its really hard being a caring person, giving in all the time just to not get them disappointed or down. My surroundings don't help much either as all my friends drink, but i'm the only one who's contemplating quitting/slowing down greatly.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: ohgar on August 10, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
Starting on Step 1 of Narcotics Anonymous. If I'm not feeling like I want to use, I'm feeling like I want to fuck something. My sponsor says that's natural but I shouldn't act on it right now or I'll go back into active addiction. Really? OK. But there is so much tail at some of these meetings! Last night I walked out of there with blue balls just from all the hugs. Fuck!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 10, 2012, 09:14:47 AM
I know man. The thing is, teh poon will light up the same pleasure centers of the brain that the drugs do, that's why we try to avoid any strange for the first year. Also avoiding the emotional shit that can go along with it helps too, girls will still be there in a year or so, but if I drink, I know I wont be.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: wkiml on August 10, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
I know man. The thing is, teh poon will light up the same pleasure centers of the brain that the drugs do, that's why we try to avoid any strange for the first year. Also avoiding the emotional shit that can go along with it helps too, girls will still be there in a year or so, but if I drink, I know I wont be.

ahh the 13th step  was warned about this when I started my meetings ..like Lonestar mentioned avoid relationships if possible  find something else to get the endorphines released I found working out helped

The first impulse is to replace one addiction with another , the idea is to make sure its a healthy one
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 10, 2012, 09:33:27 AM
I buried myself in music, and ate a lot, which was ok since I lost 25lbs in my first week of sobriety.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: ohgar on August 10, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
When I was going through puberty I found lifting weights and playing contact sports helped a lot. Guess it's time for me to get a gym membership...
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Chino on August 10, 2012, 10:23:02 AM
Try geocaching.... tons of fun, good exercise, and it's probably the largest underground hobby I've ever come across.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Akasha on August 10, 2012, 11:52:24 AM
I'm 5 days away from being clean for 16 months from heroin, coke, and painkillers. I know how hard it is do. I'm also in physical pain daily and doing everything to avoid taking the Norco 10/325. I sometimes have to give in and take it. Monday I have my 2nd MRI in a few months, this time it will be 7on my cervical spine. They are now looking for pinched nerves in my C7. It is probably going to be unfixable as the injury is now 7 months old. If it is nerve pain there are the meds for it besides the opiates.


I'm pulling for you!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 10, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
Hope things work our Akasha, I've known a few people with the chronic pain /opiates dilemma, it can't be easy. Good luck.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Akasha on August 11, 2012, 08:26:32 AM
Hope things work our Akasha, I've known a few people with the chronic pain /opiates dilemma, it can't be easy. Good luck.


Thanks RJ. It is a huge dilemma for me. I rather be in pain then take the Norco for it. I sometimes give in and then I feel so guilty. It really sucks being in pain 24/7. I can handle the pain most of time, but it really fucks with my sleep.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 11, 2012, 08:46:13 AM
I lost 25lbs in my first week of sobriety.

They cut your dick off?



















But seriously, were you hospitalized for such a shock to your metabolism?
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 11, 2012, 09:00:07 AM
I had an almost fatal case of pancreatitis, that's what put me in the hospital, and they wouldn't let me have any food or water for five days, cause I was being poisoned by my own body and anything in my system would have killed me. That combined with the three grand mal seizures I suffered during my alcoholic withdrawal, plus five days of the worst shaking and sweats, combined for the world's most effective diet.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 11, 2012, 09:11:06 AM
Well goddamn. I'm really glad you made it and are obviously doing a whole shitload better these days.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 11, 2012, 09:56:22 AM
Well goddamn. I'm really glad you made it and are obviously doing a whole shitload better these days.

So am I. :P
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: slycordinator on August 11, 2012, 10:48:14 AM
On twelve-step programs:
Absolutely don't get into a "not invented here" syndrome. I've known good, highly-trained addiction specialists that got hired to work in rehab centers only to have the coworkers look at them with disdain since they felt that the only people that can "truly" help addicts are ones who went through it themselves. Just saying that both have their place.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 11, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
I have seen that the most important thing is to work some kind of daily program for life, something to keep focused on sobriety, whether it be aa, smart, life ring, avrt or a professional cd recovery program. Someone who does a 30 day rehab and nothing more is probably going to relapse. I work a 12 step plus therapy, cause I'm just that special.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: slycordinator on August 11, 2012, 01:02:18 PM
And if they do nothing but detox, the relapse is often severe. When you've gotten addicted, a lot of the receptors that the drug attaches to will move inside the neuron so they aren't able to be attached to (hence why it takes more to get the same effect), but when you've detoxed the reverse happens (and all those receptors are back in play). So if the person takes a similar dose to before, they get a massive response.

But I was just saying that combining the therapies isn't necessarily bad. I wasn't suggesting that it's an "AA vs rehab" thing. Both have their place and can be great together.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: ohgar on August 11, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
hey i just met you
and you are crazy
but if you feel like using
then call me maybe
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: ohgar on August 12, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
Went to a GLBT NA meeting tonight. Probably one of the best meetings I've been to-- I'm seriously considering making it my home group. Stuff like this serves as the perfect counterexample to the often-repeated lie that gays and lesbians are "godless heathens."
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Jaq on August 12, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
I stopped drinking seventeen and a half years ago and it was the best decision I ever made. I'd probably be dead now if I'd kept drinking. Defying a lot of the conventional wisdom, though, I never attended an AA meeting or did any sort of rehab-I just woke up one day, realized I was drinking myself to death, and said "That's it, I quit." But I don't recommend that though, because I went through a LOT pulling that off by myself. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Akasha on August 12, 2012, 09:08:56 PM
Something that was sent to me when I was in rehab.

The first day I tried you,
You became my new best friend, my lover and my soul mate!
You took my hand, faded my pain, there was a smile for once.
It felt good to be around you,
That numbness you gave me was all that I wanted!
So I let you in, let you stick around,
Coz without you the joys I felt in life just disappeared.
Was that you, maybe it was me,
No I needed you,
Thank god you were there,
My darling Heroin!

You made me feel strong again,
So I thought that I would cope without you,
But you wouldn’t let me leave.
You started to make me cry, caused me pain that I never felt before.
I pushed you away, but you just kept pulling me back in.
You weren’t my friend, lover or soul mate,
You’re the ENEMY!
I realized it to late.
You held me in, pulling me harder and harder;
I couldn’t walk out on you no more,
You were making me weaker,
This made you stronger,
I was craving you more and more,
I couldn’t understand it? I thought you were helping me!
My darling Gear

I lost my way but, but I just can’t blame you it was me to!
I tried to leave you,
But you pulled me back in harder and faster, body and soul!
I chose this destructive path, I was lonely and down.
I agree you did take that all away,
But look at the consequences!
I lost everything that I ever had,
I lost my dignity; I was starting to hurt myself!
I hurt my family and the ones who loved and cared the most!
But yet again I got down, instead of asking for help,
I caved in even more,
And you pulled me in harder than ever before.
I embraced you,
What a fool I was
My soul binding smack

Now I have made a choice,
At last to walk away!
Its time for you to leave my addictive body, veins and mind.
Why do you keep fighting me?
Trying to force your way back to me,
WHY?
But its time to make eminence with myself,
Its time to take control!
I got my fight back; you got to leave now,
Time to say goodbye!!
So, so long, farewell my loving heroin,
You’ve done your worse,
You degrading smack
You locked me in a cage and took the key,
But this time I am fighting back
Now I have the key!
I’m walking away, locking you in that cage,
The cage of addiction, destruction and pain.
Goodbye my darling Heroin
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: ohgar on August 15, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
A lot of people at the meeting today were talking about anger and how it's another symptom of the same disease. I have been immensely angry lately and it's not healthy. Sorry to those out on whom I've taken it.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Akasha on August 16, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
I'm 16 months clean today. I'm sure a few people thought I be dead before clean this long.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 16, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
I'm 16 months clean today. I'm sure a few people thought I be dead before clean this long.
Nice work, I'm proud of you.  :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Akasha on August 17, 2012, 10:13:39 AM
I'm 16 months clean today. I'm sure a few people thought I be dead before clean this long.
Nice work, I'm proud of you.  :tup

Thanks! You soon will be clean 16 months as well.

Ohgar, check this site out. It could be another support for you. https://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on August 17, 2012, 11:57:51 AM
Yup,  bout a month and a half behind you.  Soberrecovery is a great site, definitely check it out.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Akasha on August 27, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
A lot of people at the meeting today were talking about anger and how it's another symptom of the same disease. I have been immensely angry lately and it's not healthy. Sorry to those out on whom I've taken it.

Just checking in on you. I hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Modah on March 09, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
A lot of people at the meeting today were talking about anger and how it's another symptom of the same disease. I have been immensely angry lately and it's not healthy. Sorry to those out on whom I've taken it.

Just checking in on you. I hope you are doing well.
I am. We got 19 months clean on Saturday. Thank you.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 09, 2014, 02:10:42 PM
You need a ~575 days and counting thingy in your sig, cuz.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: MinistryOfLostSouls on March 09, 2014, 02:14:17 PM
hey i just met you
and you are crazy
but if you feel like using
then call me maybe

I was in and out of rehab in my twenties because of opiates.  I haven't touched an opiate in five years.  No desire to whatsoever.  I went through DT's -  :lol - for about six months, but the further and further away I got from having those substances in my body, the less I wanted them until one day I completely forgot what it was like to think it is acceptable to turn to narcotic for the answer. 
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: rumborak on March 09, 2014, 02:14:39 PM
I lost 25lbs in my first week of sobriety.

They cut your dick off?

But seriously, were you hospitalized for such a shock to your metabolism?

To follow up with this, I'm kinda flabbergasted how this could even work. That say a pound of fat equates 3500 calories. 25 pounds would be 87500 calories, but at an average daily calorie burn of 2000 calories, you're still short 73000 calories. Even when you take into account plain water loss, I can't see how this would work.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2014, 02:41:22 PM
Congratulations to everyone here who has sobered up. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 09, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
I didn't drink for two weeks recently.















































Having a cold sucks.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Cable on March 09, 2014, 04:16:25 PM
A lot of people at the meeting today were talking about anger and how it's another symptom of the same disease. I have been immensely angry lately and it's not healthy. Sorry to those out on whom I've taken it.


I'm not sure about that, but I am sure that anger is a trigger of addiction/usage.

Congrats by the way Ohgar, keep it going and do focus day to day. Relapse is part of it, so if it happens, just remember your goal.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Modah on March 09, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
It's not mandatory :) Thanks though.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: MinistryOfLostSouls on March 09, 2014, 04:49:12 PM
I'm 16 months clean today. I'm sure a few people thought I be dead before clean this long.

Nice job!!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 09, 2014, 05:58:34 PM
I lost 25lbs in my first week of sobriety.

They cut your dick off?

But seriously, were you hospitalized for such a shock to your metabolism?

To follow up with this, I'm kinda flabbergasted how this could even work. That say a pound of fat equates 3500 calories. 25 pounds would be 87500 calories, but at an average daily calorie burn of 2000 calories, you're still short 73000 calories. Even when you take into account plain water loss, I can't see how this would work.

I was in the ICU for pancreatitis. No food or water was allowed through my digestive system for the first five days because the shock to my system would have caused my pancreas to go into overdrive and kill me. Add to that I was in a brutal alcohol withdrawal, including constant seizure action and a few grand mal seziures, and it's pretty easy to see where the weight went.

Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: eric42434224 on March 10, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
I lost 25lbs in my first week of sobriety.

They cut your dick off?

But seriously, were you hospitalized for such a shock to your metabolism?

To follow up with this, I'm kinda flabbergasted how this could even work. That say a pound of fat equates 3500 calories. 25 pounds would be 87500 calories, but at an average daily calorie burn of 2000 calories, you're still short 73000 calories. Even when you take into account plain water loss, I can't see how this would work.

I was in the ICU for pancreatitis. No food or water was allowed through my digestive system for the first five days because the shock to my system would have caused my pancreas to go into overdrive and kill me. Add to that I was in a brutal alcohol withdrawal, including constant seizure action and a few grand mal seziures, and it's pretty easy to see where the weight went.

Not saying you are lying, but I am saying this is not physically possible.  There were probably some incorrect measurements, estimates, or records.  It is not possible for a person to lose 25 pounds in 7 days, especially when they are stationary and immobile.  There are many reasons why.
1) You were given no oral food or water perhaps....but you were given nutrients and hydration via IV.  That will give you positive calories.
2) You were in an immobile and stationary physical state, which decreased the amount of calories needed.  ICU treatment of acute pancreatitis in to get nutrients and fludis in via I.V.
3) If you were actually on a starvation diet for so long, your body will kick metabolism into starvation mode to conserve, and will resist burning calories even more.
Again, not trivializing your experience, but you did not lose 25 pounds of weight in 7 days.  Your body simply wont allow that, and goes against science.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 10, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
Fine, I didn't.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Chino on March 10, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
I'm 16 months clean today. I'm sure a few people thought I be dead before clean this long.

Excellent  :tup

A lot of people at the meeting today were talking about anger and how it's another symptom of the same disease. I have been immensely angry lately and it's not healthy. Sorry to those out on whom I've taken it.

I'm curious, does anyone discuss how they attempt to cope with that anger?
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 10, 2014, 09:33:55 AM
The steps actually give us tools for that. The biggest thing we learn is not to react on our instincts, because they are alcoholic and messed up. Instead, we learn to pause, assess our anger, look for our part in it(cause usually we have a part to play and must be culpable for it), discuss it with friends or more importantly our sponsor, and if it's something we can't rectify, we pray, meditate,  and put it in the hands of our higher power. (in other words, just let that shit go)
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Chino on March 10, 2014, 09:54:34 AM
Interesting. Do the steps ever focus on trying not to get angry in the first place? I only ask because I used to have serious anger issues as a kid and as a teenager. It wasn't until I truly became aware of my place on this Earth and in society that I dialed it back a bit. Regardless of how shitty my day had been, no matter how badly someone may have hurt me or how much I was struggling to cope with something, I began to realize that there were hundreds of millions of people who would still trade their lives in a second to live like I live. It was very humbling. These days, the only time I get mad is when someone endangers me by doing something stupid, for example, the teenager who nearly ran me off the highway yesterday because he was texting while driving at 90mph with his earbuds in.  I almost never get mad. It's weird, it's not even like I have to tell myself to keep calm or make an effort to control my emotions. When something happens that would have been worthy of my anger years ago, I just shrug my shoulders and say "whatever". It's pretty bizzare. I used to see stars and turn beat red because I'd get so angry, now it just doesn't phase me in the least. It's almost as if I don't see the glass as half-full or half-empty, but more along the lines of, "well at least there's something in it".
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: eric42434224 on March 10, 2014, 10:26:23 AM
Fine, I didn't.

I know. 

Congrats on your sobriety.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 10, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
I would guess to say that your fall might have had a hand in handling your anger issues as well. That little bit of eternal gratitude can go a long way man.

The steps are a process, one that we strive to apply to every aspect of our daily lives. In that effort, we slowly re-train ourselves to behave in a better manner, which brings us away from our alcoholic selves. Eventually the gratitude steeps in, and we slowly become something close to what you're talking about, that ability to just let shit go easily instead of letting it fire us up and own us.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: jingle.boy on March 10, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
Not saying you are lying, but I am saying this is not physically possible.  There were probably some incorrect measurements, estimates, or records.  It is not possible for a person to lose 25 pounds in 7 days, especially when they are stationary and immobile.  There are many reasons why.
1) You were given no oral food or water perhaps....but you were given nutrients and hydration via IV.  That will give you positive calories.
2) You were in an immobile and stationary physical state, which decreased the amount of calories needed.  ICU treatment of acute pancreatitis in to get nutrients and fludis in via I.V.
3) If you were actually on a starvation diet for so long, your body will kick metabolism into starvation mode to conserve, and will resist burning calories even more.
Again, not trivializing your experience, but you did not lose 25 pounds of weight in 7 days.  Your body simply wont allow that, and goes against science.

Quick question for you Eric... were you there?  Unless you were, no need to tell RJ what did/did not happen to him.  There's also no need to flex your intellect about the how the human body metabolizes calories.  This is a thread about abuse support, not physiology. 
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 10, 2014, 01:06:09 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Chino on March 10, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
I would guess to say that your fall might have had a hand in handling your anger issues as well. That little bit of eternal gratitude can go a long way man.

Yeah. That's a good point. That was probably a pretty heavy contributor.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: eric42434224 on March 10, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
Not saying you are lying, but I am saying this is not physically possible.  There were probably some incorrect measurements, estimates, or records.  It is not possible for a person to lose 25 pounds in 7 days, especially when they are stationary and immobile.  There are many reasons why.
1) You were given no oral food or water perhaps....but you were given nutrients and hydration via IV.  That will give you positive calories.
2) You were in an immobile and stationary physical state, which decreased the amount of calories needed.  ICU treatment of acute pancreatitis in to get nutrients and fludis in via I.V.
3) If you were actually on a starvation diet for so long, your body will kick metabolism into starvation mode to conserve, and will resist burning calories even more.
Again, not trivializing your experience, but you did not lose 25 pounds of weight in 7 days.  Your body simply wont allow that, and goes against science.

Quick question for you Eric... were you there?  Unless you were, no need to tell RJ what did/did not happen to him.  There's also no need to flex your intellect about the how the human body metabolizes calories.  This is a thread about abuse support, not physiology.

Quick Answer for you Jingle....I don't need to have been there to know if something is physically impossible.  I told a client today (A Doctor by the way) about the scenario, and he just laughed and said, "um, no".
If this is a thread solely about abuse support and not physiology, why do you perpetuate the offending tangent in the thread?  If you want to chastise me and defend Lonestars honor, maybe just do it by PM.  I had dropped the discussion, and I promise not to bring it up anymore.  Thx.


Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 10, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
wtf
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: wkiml on March 11, 2014, 10:36:51 AM
congrats on all of you staying clean and sober..i'll have 5 years myself this May...caan't say its been easy, but it is worthwhile
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: eric42434224 on March 11, 2014, 11:53:12 AM
congrats on all of you staying clean and sober..i'll have 5 years myself this May...caan't say its been easy, but it is worthwhile

I cant imagine how hard it must be to live with serios addictions that can ruin your life, what it must take to get clean/sober, and how hard it must be every day to stay that way.  Kudos to all of you who have accomplished any of this, and good luck to you in the future.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 11, 2014, 01:14:33 PM
congrats on all of you staying clean and sober..i'll have 5 years myself this May...caan't say its been easy, but it is worthwhile

Five years man, that's just awesome. Seems like yesterday I was at twelve days and messaging you for help. Such an amazing ride man!!!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: adastra on March 12, 2014, 03:59:22 AM
Propably not the same subject,

but I had been using snuff/snus   for something like 8 yrs..  I decided to stop using it :)   

I managed to be without it for 2 months but after that started to think that,  Why did I even stopped using it ?
It's propably not healthy, but doesn't really matter... Some people say that red meat isn't healthy, but i still eat it.

I thought about it for a week and decided that if there is something like snus that I enjoy and what makes my "miserable piece of shit life" a little more tolerable, I should use it :)

So, here I go again , Use snuff all day long.  :-\

Never been much of a boozer though.. :)     I love my Calvados and Cognac on special occasions..  And beer of course.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Chino on March 12, 2014, 07:25:12 AM
congrats on all of you staying clean and sober..i'll have 5 years myself this May...caan't say its been easy, but it is worthwhile

Five years man, that's just awesome. Seems like yesterday I was at twelve days and messaging you for help. Such an amazing ride man!!!

These posts demonstrate why the internet can be such an amazing and positive place.  :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: wkiml on March 12, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
Glad I was able to add some insight when you reached out , thats all someone looking for to live a sober lifestyle needs sometimes. Just paying back some of the knowledge I received when I made the decision that enough was enough
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on March 12, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
On this day in 2009 was the last time alcohol touched my lips and rendered me senseless. Drank all day at a golf tournament.....drove home like an idiot....drank all night until I passed out cold.

this was on the heels of several years of 'knowing' I had a problem but ignoring it....trying to convince myself I was 'fine'. I woke up that morning, sat up in bed and looked at my wife....began to cry and told her that I was an alcoholic and that I was done drinking.

Haven't touched alcohol since. For those of you struggling with alcohol or drug addiction and think that there 's no way you can stop or there's no way out....I'm here to tell you that you CAN overcome it and although it is a tough battle it's a battle well worth undertaking.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2016, 09:31:08 AM
Booyah brother, keep on keeping on one day at a time!!!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: TioJorge on June 29, 2016, 10:08:58 AM
I'll chime in here to echo. I actually thought this was a new thread till I saw the OP's date.  :lol I think around that time I would've laughed at the thread and/or ignored it completely.

Just got my 9 month chip a couple weeks ago.  :smiley:

It's definitely possible to overcome the burden of addiction and climb the mountain. You may stumble (er...as I did), but as they say...keep working it. The only failure is to stop trying.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2016, 10:54:25 AM
Nice work, fellas!!  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 11:13:11 AM
Nice work, fellas!!  :tup :tup

Agreed.   :metal :yarr :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Kotowboy on June 29, 2016, 06:28:55 PM
Quote
Going clean & sober


AKA : Doing a "Kotowboy" :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Cable on June 29, 2016, 07:26:51 PM
Excellent to hear, Congrats gmiller and Tio!

What I reinforce doing this for a career- daily, hourly, minute struggle at times. It takes the hard work, but can be done. Slips may happen, but one can get back up and keep going.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
I'll chime in here to echo. I actually thought this was a new thread till I saw the OP's date.  :lol I think around that time I would've laughed at the thread and/or ignored it completely.

Just got my 9 month chip a couple weeks ago.  :smiley:

It's definitely possible to overcome the burden of addiction and climb the mountain. You may stumble (er...as I did), but as they say...keep working it. The only failure is to stop trying.

Kick ass man, keep rocking it bro.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: kaos2900 on June 30, 2016, 06:28:06 AM
Congrats to everyones milestones. I just personally hit 2 years of not smoking.  :metal
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 30, 2016, 12:45:45 PM

I just passed 3 years without a sip of alcohol back in April.  :yarr

Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2017, 09:26:29 AM
On this day in 2009 was the last time alcohol touched my lips and rendered me senseless. Drank all day at a golf tournament.....drove home like an idiot....drank all night until I passed out cold.

this was on the heels of several years of 'knowing' I had a problem but ignoring it....trying to convince myself I was 'fine'. I woke up that morning, sat up in bed and looked at my wife....began to cry and told her that I was an alcoholic and that I was done drinking.

Haven't touched alcohol since. For those of you struggling with alcohol or drug addiction and think that there 's no way you can stop or there's no way out....I'm here to tell you that you CAN overcome it and although it is a tough battle it's a battle well worth undertaking.


8 Years Sober today. That's so strange to think about considering 'where' I was 10 years ago.  Good thing is I've rarely had a hankering to say screw it and fall off the wagon, and when those instances have arose I've been lucky enough thus far to identify the danger in that type of thinking and put myself in check. 
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: kaos2900 on June 29, 2017, 09:45:28 AM
On this day in 2009 was the last time alcohol touched my lips and rendered me senseless. Drank all day at a golf tournament.....drove home like an idiot....drank all night until I passed out cold.

this was on the heels of several years of 'knowing' I had a problem but ignoring it....trying to convince myself I was 'fine'. I woke up that morning, sat up in bed and looked at my wife....began to cry and told her that I was an alcoholic and that I was done drinking.

Haven't touched alcohol since. For those of you struggling with alcohol or drug addiction and think that there 's no way you can stop or there's no way out....I'm here to tell you that you CAN overcome it and although it is a tough battle it's a battle well worth undertaking.


8 Years Sober today. That's so strange to think about considering 'where' I was 10 years ago.  Good thing is I've rarely had a hankering to say screw it and fall off the wagon, and when those instances have arose I've been lucky enough thus far to identify the danger in that type of thinking and put myself in check.

Congrats!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2017, 09:48:24 AM
On this day in 2009 was the last time alcohol touched my lips and rendered me senseless. Drank all day at a golf tournament.....drove home like an idiot....drank all night until I passed out cold.

this was on the heels of several years of 'knowing' I had a problem but ignoring it....trying to convince myself I was 'fine'. I woke up that morning, sat up in bed and looked at my wife....began to cry and told her that I was an alcoholic and that I was done drinking.

Haven't touched alcohol since. For those of you struggling with alcohol or drug addiction and think that there 's no way you can stop or there's no way out....I'm here to tell you that you CAN overcome it and although it is a tough battle it's a battle well worth undertaking.


8 Years Sober today. That's so strange to think about considering 'where' I was 10 years ago.  Good thing is I've rarely had a hankering to say screw it and fall off the wagon, and when those instances have arose I've been lucky enough thus far to identify the danger in that type of thinking and put myself in check.

Congrats!


Congrats, you're doing a great job!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2017, 10:40:04 AM
Nice work Gary!!
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 29, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
:tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2017, 10:57:25 AM
Appreciate it fellas  :tup
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: jingle.boy on June 29, 2017, 12:12:21 PM
Good on ya fellas.  Whatever illness or sickness is ailing us all (mental for me), it's certainly worth the battle to fight it, and gratifying to conquer it.  Though, we all know that it is never a guaranteed or permanent conquest ... the dragon is always lurking.

*clinks*

Wait, scratch that.   :lol

:thursday:

Wait... scratch that too.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zVOp5DlQ2MQ/TzO4rBdXZLI/AAAAAAAAAt4/qwC2MHP-xKA/s1600/approval-people-clapping.gif)

Goddamnit! 

(https://i.imgur.com/1lMJa.gif)

Yeah, that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: Dr. DTVT on June 29, 2017, 12:48:25 PM

*clinks*


He's in this thread too now?
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: TioJorge on June 29, 2017, 02:33:41 PM
I'll be coming up on two years on September 12. Came and went like a flash. Seems I Just posted about 9 months yesterday.

I also realized a few months ago that the first time I was arrested...it was on April Fool's. The second time was on September 11th.

Shit like that almost makes me want to believe in fate.

Either way, just wanted to say congrats to those who keep this shit going and staying sane, safe and healthy. For me, my life is infinitely better.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2017, 05:29:14 PM
Sweet man. Yeah, once I got past that first year, the years do seem to fly by. Just passed my six year mark.
Title: Re: Going clean & sober
Post by: TioJorge on July 01, 2017, 02:00:15 PM
 :heart :metal