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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: TimelessSymphony on July 21, 2012, 11:07:00 AM
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Hey everyone i was hoping that i wasn't the only one who's pumped about the the new Superman movie.. it sets to be released next summer June 14th.. and today we got a new trailer of that movie!!..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jKWJZsjm5U&feature=youtu.be
what do you guy's think of it :)?
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I thought Christopher Nolan was directing this. Looks like he's producing, but still, I'd been really looking forward to seeing how he would handle a Superman movie. Oh, well.
Anyway, trailer looks cool.
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I will most likely see it at the cinema when it comes out. Superman was never one of my favorite heroes, but it looks much more interesting than any of the older movies.
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Cautiously excited. I'll admit the reason I liked the trailer was because it seemed very un-superhero.
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I wanna see this just for Michael Shannon's portrayal of Zod. That man can churn out some serious hardcore emotion, and Zod seems like the perfect fit for his demeanor. We'll see if this is just another rehash, which I'm betting it will be, or if it will actually do what fucking Hollywood has labeled it as and 'reboot' the series. I really am getting sick and tired of these stories being retold over and over though. I mean, I know all stories are being retold, but c'mon, sprinkle some goddamn sugar on it, spice it up just a wee bit. After The Amazing Spider Man, I have little faith in any kind of reboot from anyone though.
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I will most likely see it at the cinema when it comes out. Superman was never one of my favorite heroes, but it looks much more interesting than any of the older movies.
This, I've never liked Superman because he's just an overpowered unimaginative super hero in my eyes, but the trailer looked alright. I thought it was for Aquaman at first when it was showed in theaters before TDKR
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I will most likely see it at the cinema when it comes out. Superman was never one of my favorite heroes, but it looks much more interesting than any of the older movies.
This, I've never liked Superman because he's just an overpowered unimaginative super hero in my eyes
Yeah, this is why I've been excited to see Nolan's input on the character. If there's one thing I like about him as a director, it's that he has a way of taking concepts and making them feel very real. I hope that carries over when he's producing, because Superman could use a dose of reality.
Anyway, I wasn't sure who Zack Snyder was, so I just looked him up. Looks like he's done some great stuff, too, so that gives me some hope.
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That trailer sucked. It left me wondering if Superman was on deadliest catch.
Superman the movie was awesome. Superman II was awesome. Superman II the Richard Donnor cut was pretty cool. The best part of Superman III was when he gets cocked lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_XjgF43U4U
Christopher Reeve was awesome and I can only hope they do it some justice. Some people just want to see action but Superman is more about a man who basically struggles with his identity living a double life. The story gets more interesting by bringing in the aspects of his Kryptonian side like Zod and hopefully it will be a good flick worth watching over and over again like the originals.
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All i could think of was LOTR!
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You should never bring Superman III & IV into the equation. Both sucked. :lol One was good and 2 was great.
Also as much as Nolan is my favorite director he's not the director here and who the hell hasn't heard of Zack Snyder?!
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Also as much as Nolan is my favorite director he's not the director here and who the hell hasn't heard of Zack Snyder?!
Forgive me. :sadpanda:
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I'm shocked Jaffa!!
I loved his work but his last movie, "Sucker Punch" sucked. Visually is was awesome but the storyline was terrible. Maybe that's where Nolan comes in. I nice tandem it seems.
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I didn't even see Sucker Punch. Or Legends of the Guardians, whatever that is. Watchmen and Dawn of the Dead are great, 300 is pretty good, and if he's made anything else, Wikipedia isn't telling me about it. So I don't really have all that much to judge him by.
As for Superman, my feelings on the Christopher Reeve movies are that the movies were entertaining, and certainly groundbreaking for their time and genre, but really not all that captivating for me. Superhero stories are definitionally unreal, but I don't like them to feel completely unreal, and the original Superman movies do feel that way to me. To be honest, though, that might just be me projecting my problems with the character of Superman itself (something about nobody recognizing Clark Kent just because he takes off his glasses - it's always bugged me).
At any rate, I'm curious to see a modern take on it.
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I am too. I think well all have to remember when Superman was written and what he stood for at the time. So He's a very wholesome character and it will be nice to see a darker version of him.
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I'm not the biggest Zack Snyder fan to be honest. Dawn of the Dead was brilliant, 300 was okay, but Watchmen and Sucker Punch were both slow as hell. Hopefully he will deliver here though, I really like Dawn of the Dead as I said, so he has it in him.
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I sure wish C Nolan was directing it.
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Also, this...
All i could think of was LOTR!
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(something about nobody recognizing Clark Kent just because he takes off his glasses - it's always bugged me).
Seems like I heard about some explanation where there's some sort of Kryptonian material in his glasses lenses that change his face to observers.
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I wanna see this just for Michael Shannon's portrayal of Zod. That man can churn out some serious hardcore emotion, and Zod seems like the perfect fit for his demeanor. We'll see if this is just another rehash, which I'm betting it will be, or if it will actually do what fucking Hollywood has labeled it as and 'reboot' the series. I really am getting sick and tired of these stories being retold over and over though. I mean, I know all stories are being retold, but c'mon, sprinkle some goddamn sugar on it, spice it up just a wee bit. After The Amazing Spider Man, I have little faith in any kind of reboot from anyone though.
I preferred Superman Returns to Superman 3 or 4 though by miles.
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(something about nobody recognizing Clark Kent just because he takes off his glasses - it's always bugged me).
Seems like I heard about some explanation where there's some sort of Kryptonian material in his glasses lenses that change his face to observers.
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I think this explanation probably bugs me more than just not having an explanation, to be honest with you.
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(something about nobody recognizing Clark Kent just because he takes off his glasses - it's always bugged me).
Seems like I heard about some explanation where there's some sort of Kryptonian material in his glasses lenses that change his face to observers.
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I think this explanation probably bugs me more than just not having an explanation, to be honest with you.
This. It's a comic book movie. just go with it.
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I wanna see this just for Michael Shannon's portrayal of Zod. That man can churn out some serious hardcore emotion, and Zod seems like the perfect fit for his demeanor. We'll see if this is just another rehash, which I'm betting it will be, or if it will actually do what fucking Hollywood has labeled it as and 'reboot' the series. I really am getting sick and tired of these stories being retold over and over though. I mean, I know all stories are being retold, but c'mon, sprinkle some goddamn sugar on it, spice it up just a wee bit. After The Amazing Spider Man, I have little faith in any kind of reboot from anyone though.
I preferred Superman Returns to Superman 3 or 4 though by miles.
Ranking:
The first Superman
Superman II
Superman Returns
Superman III
Superman IV
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Ranking:
The first Superman
Superman II
Superman Returns
Superman III
Superman IV
This exactly.
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Ranking:
The first Superman
Superman II
Superman Returns
Superman III
Superman IV
This exactly.
I liked II better than the debut, but only marginally.
Superman III and IV have been purged from my memory fortunately. The only things I vaguely remember are Richard Pryor, and some robot thing.
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Flip I & II for me.
Curious, What trailer does everybody like more the one with the voice over from Jonathan or from Jor El?
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A Chris Nolan Produced Superman film ? My favourite superhero ?
Oh yes please.
I'm hoping not even Zack Snyder can make a film as bad as any of the last 4 spiderman films.
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For fucks sake. They are having Zod in this movie? Terence stamp owned that role in the first two. KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! Aren't there other villains in the Superman universe?
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The new trailers are a bit underwhelming compared to what was shown at comic con, that footage looked awesome, even through a bad cam recording from far away.
I am actually looking forward to this movie very much. I have got a good feeling about it. Never liked the old ones actually because they are very slow and dull and boring, but that's understandable since they are old.
Also, am I the only one who really liked Returns?
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I'm a Zack Snyder fan. I loved Watchmen, and 300 was good. Dawn of the Dead was also great, though I didn't see Sucker Punch.
I think Christopher Nolan is a much better director, but it's nice to see him producing. Maybe if he keeps Zack Snyder on a leash, it'll turn out awesome. Zack Snyder is kinda infamous for his slow motion.
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Superman has never been at the top of my favorite superheros but this movie looks like it would grab my interest.
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I'm going to wait and read a few reviews on the movie before I see it.
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As far as the not recognizing Clark Kent as Superman thing....
Actually, as I grow older...that part becomes MORE believable, not less. Because people often have an immediate disbelief when they first look at something that's way too obvious. Psychologically, I think it works perfectly. He changes *his demeanor* so much, that even though people see the resemblance, they immediately tell themselves..."NAAAAHHHH!"
It's like if you worked at Target, and you were co-workers with someone who looked exactly like Lady Gaga...but they showed you ID to prove they weren't...you'd marvel at the resemblance, but then you'd blow it off and laugh. "Like Lady Gaga would ever work at Target!"
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As far as the not recognizing Clark Kent as Superman thing....
Actually, as I grow older...that part becomes MORE believable, not less. Because people often have an immediate disbelief when they first look at something that's way too obvious. Psychologically, I think it works perfectly. He changes *his demeanor* so much, that even though people see the resemblance, they immediately tell themselves..."NAAAAHHHH!"
It's like if you worked at Target, and you were co-workers with someone who looked exactly like Lady Gaga...but they showed you ID to prove they weren't...you'd marvel at the resemblance, but then you'd blow it off and laugh. "Like Lady Gaga would ever work at Target!"
While you have a point, Lady Gaga isn't a mysterious character who only shows up once in a while and only when your friend who works at Target has mysteriously disappeared and then returns right as Lady Gaga leaves.
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Ya, but what if she wore glasses and her *entire* demeanor changed? Like, what if she was really good at pretending to be retarded? And every time she came back from a world tour, she had the excuse that she has Lupus and sometimes has to stay home from work for extended periods of time?
You'd believe it, because if you told anyone that you thought Lady Gaga was the retarded chick with Lupus who works at Target down the street, they'd haul you away.
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^ All this is pretty much exactly what happened in Returns when Richard starts to point out resemblances between Clark and Superman but then they laugh about it because Clark acts all goofy and stuff.
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Superman III had some good parts to it. Good vs. evil Superman was awesome.... the part where the kid almost gets run over by the tractor in the field was pretty cool..... Richard Pryor was great. Superman IV was just terrible. Christopher Reeve even regretted making that film later.
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Superman Hair + Bit of Cloth + human skin = EVIL SUPER VILLAIN.
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Cautiously interested in this mainly because of Nolan's involvement. Superman is terribly, terribly boring as a character and Snyder is terribly, terribly gimmicky as a director but I'm hoping Nolan will be able to work some magic on this.
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I wouldn't get super excited about Nolan's role as producer. Let's not forget that Steve Spielberg produced the Transformers films.
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Didn't Nolan co-write the story?
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Didn't Nolan co-write the story?
Yeah Nolan and David S. Goyer who wrote on The Dark Knight Trilogy.
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The main reason I'm pumped for a new Superman movie is because that means there's still hope for a good Superman sandbox-type game. The closest we have right now is Lego Batman 2.
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am I the only one who really liked Returns?
Probably.
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I like it. First time I got to see Superman on the big screen. Was a thrilling experience.
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am I the only one who really liked Returns?
Probably.
Returns is easily better than Superman 3 & 4 combined.
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am I the only one who really liked Returns?
Probably.
Returns is easily better than Superman 3 & 4 combined.
I second that motion
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Returns is easily better than Superman 3 & 4 combined.
There is a non-compliment if I have ever seen one.
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What I find interesting is that even though this and TDK trilogy are written mostly by the same two people, these two stories will not be connected in any way what so ever, despite it being an obviously good move demonstrated by The Avengers.
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Returns is easily better than Superman 3 & 4 combined.
There is a non-compliment if I have ever seen one.
KHHhhhhhaaaaaaaaannnnn !!!!!!
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am I the only one who really liked Returns?
Probably.
There were definitely some parts that I enjoyed immensely, but I agree with Ebert's sentiment that it felt like none of the characters enjoyed being themselves. Well, except for Luthor, maybe.
The newsroom of the Daily Planet, filled with eccentricity and life in the earlier movies, now seems populated by corporate drones. Jimmy Olsen, the copy boy, such a brash kid, seems tamed and clueless. Lois Lane has lost her dash and pizzazz, and her fiance, Richard White, regards her like a deer caught in the headlights. Even the editor, Perry White, comes across less like a curmudgeon, more like an efficient manager.
When the hero, his alter ego, his girlfriend and the villain all seem to lack any joy in being themselves, why should we feel joy at watching them?
I have never agreed with a movie critic so much.
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The new trailers are a bit underwhelming compared to what was shown at comic con, that footage looked awesome, even through a bad cam recording from far away.
I am actually looking forward to this movie very much. I have got a good feeling about it. Never liked the old ones actually because they are very slow and dull and boring, but that's understandable since they are old.
Also, am I the only one who really liked Returns?
Why Yes! You are. ...But that's understandable since they're new.
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https://manofsteel.warnerbros.com/
Transmission?
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Wtf is that all about?
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Weird... I dunno if I was just seeing it because it's Superman but can anyone else make out the "S" symbol during brief spouts of clarity during that static...transmission? Odd way of presenting the whole viral thing...
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It started on the website the other day. Rumor has it the final transmission will become clear/happen Monday at 8:00 pm EST.
more info https://www.flicksandbits.com/2013/04/13/man-of-steel-website-transmission-counting-down-to-9pm-edt6pm-pdt-on-monday-new-trailer/44505/
https://comicbook.com/blog/2013/04/13/man-of-steels-viral-campaign-asks-fans-to-decode-message/
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https://manofsteel.warnerbros.com/
Transmission?
Dammit. I'm a sucker for viral marketing.
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Check out Elysium website for the movie. I just looked and it seems pretty interactive :).
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The Man of Steel page is getting very interesting now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6g2ZSuWyM4&feature=player_embedded
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They're giving away too much plot. Looks like we know why Supe's in cuffs now. Apparently he wants to turn himself in to save Earth, but obviously something goes awry, and he saves Earth anyway.
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Found a new trailer. I think this is pretty much what we're all expecting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8f1m0b6z0o
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They're giving away too much plot.
I agree with this.
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Found a new trailer. I think this is pretty much what we're all expecting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8f1m0b6z0o
Outstanding.
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Arf arf!
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Supes cut Lois off with an "excuse me" before Lois could get the word "Superman" out of her mouth. I kind of hope they're not going to avoid call him "Superman" the whole movie. Makes me wonder if like ditching the red undies, they think it's too dated or something.
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Supes cut Lois off with an "excuse me" before Lois could get the word "Superman" out of her mouth. I kind of hope they're not going to avoid call him "Superman" the whole movie. Makes me wonder if like ditching the red undies, they think it's too dated or something.
I'm guessing he won't be officially named 'Superman' until the end of the film, or somewhere close to it. Like it'll probably end with Clark joining the Daily Planet and Lois publishing a big article where she debuts the name 'Superman'.
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I don't think that's how that scene will play out. If you look at the editing in that part of the trailer it is abit messy. It could be that she is actually cut off there but the dialogue is at least very edited in the trailer.
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One of the things I noticed about any lick of preview for this film, and one that I find interesting, is the absence of Clark Kent the Reporter. I'm not complaining, just making an observation!
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I've noticed that too. And I think Superman as Clark Kent is bigger factor than some realize. And shows who brilliant Christopher Reeve was in the role. If we don't buy in to Superman playing the part of Clark Kent, I think the story falls apart. It was why 'Superman Returns' didn't work for me (though not the only reason).
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After that last trailer, I'm more excited. I think Snyder's style can do justice (giggle) to the speed and power that was illustrated in the comic books.
Nice catch on the reporter angle, and I hope they're just holding it back for the main film.
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I've noticed that too. And I think Superman as Clark Kent is bigger factor than some realize. And shows who brilliant Christopher Reeve was in the role. If we don't buy in to Superman playing the part of Clark Kent, I think the story falls apart. It was why 'Superman Returns' didn't work for me (though not the only reason).
I thought Routh did a fantastic Kent.
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I thought Routh did a fantastic Kent.
Agreed.
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I'll third that sentiment
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Fourth'd. Characters were awesome. The film's direction and general pacing was horrible. But it would've been a great start to some three-hour epic Superman bonanza.
That said, I am so much more excited for MOS.
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Amazon samples of Hans Zimmer's score:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CKZX0AA/?tag=vglnk-c591-20 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CKZX0AA/?tag=vglnk-c591-20)
Overall I like everything, except for "Oil Rig" which is the definition of how to make a bad score. Launch sounds surprisingly much like parts of the Superman Returns score.
Sounds like another solid Zimmer score, but not as good as his best ones like The Last Samurai or something.
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Link no workie.
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The whole page is down for some reason, how disappointing.. Well then here's the track listing at least:
https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/04/30/man-of-steel-soundtrack-hans-zimmer/ (https://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/04/30/man-of-steel-soundtrack-hans-zimmer/)
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And here are the samples from Zimmer's score, all in one YouTube clip about 6 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tilzHt_oTgQ#! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tilzHt_oTgQ#!)
The best one I think is the one that starts at 2:00, and the absolute worst is the second one, "Oil Rig".
The opinion I have so far is that it all sounds really good and epic but there's no "rememberable" melody. Of course I realize that this is only a small part of the score. I also hear seeds of really cool melodies I hope Zimmer develops more in the parts we don't hear.
Also, the clip that starts at 4:00 sounds very much like certain parts of the Superman Returns score.
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That link is taken down as well. Looks like we'll have have to wait a bit to hear the scores.
Has anyone realized that both of Superman's fathers are Robin Hood?!?
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What? Works fine for me.
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What? Works fine for me.
This video contains content from INgrooves and UMPG Publishing, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
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Damnit, is it really that hard to just get to talk about some freaking 30 second samples..
Well, if I find anything else in the future I'll post it, otherwise I guess it'll have to wait until it's released.
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There's a part in there which is almost lifted from Inception.
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p.s. i obtained the MP4 from that YouTube link and uploaded to Soundcloud :
https://soundcloud.com/thesquall/jor-el-samplez
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^ Awesome, thank you.
I'll just quote my opinions from before about it
Overall I like everything, except for "Oil Rig" (the secon one) which is the definition of how to make a bad score. Launch (the one at 4:00) sounds surprisingly much like parts of the Superman Returns score.
The opinion I have so far is that it all sounds really good and epic but there's no "rememberable" melody. Of course I realize that this is only a small part of the score. I also hear seeds of really cool melodies I hope Zimmer develops more in the parts we don't hear.
The best one I think is the one that starts at 2:00.
Also here's some cool cover art:
(https://www.watertower-music.com/images/covers/MOSDeluxe500px.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXDr7ABo1q0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXDr7ABo1q0)
23 minutes of Hans Zimmer's score. Don't know if you can even see this like the last videos but I thought I should try.
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God damn dude, the 'fate of your planet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOF03DUoWc)' trailer gets me so sudowoodo. I really, really want to see this movie. I'm never excited, or even remotely want to go see movies at the theater; but I'm definitely going to see this in a theater.
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Yeah I don't go very often either but probably more often than you.
Went to see Into Darkness three times and next I might go see
The Worlds End
Man Of Steel
Elysium
I don't know what else is out this year that I wanna see.
When I worked at the cinema - I got to see films free and I saw The Hobbit , Life Of Pi and Skyfall for free :)
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My list of movies I want to see on the big screen consists of 7 movies this year. Oblivion, Iron Man 3, Star Trek Into Darkness, After Earth, Man of Steel, Thor: The Dark World and The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug. And out of those 7, Man of Steel is the one I'm looking forward to the most.
Then I have a list of 23 movies I want to see at all from 2013. But Man of Steel is still the one I'm most excited (and worried) for.
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My list of movies I want to see on the big screen consists of 7 movies this year. Oblivion, Iron Man 3, Star Trek Into Darkness, After Earth, Man of Steel, Thor: The Dark World and The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug. And out of those 7, Man of Steel is the one I'm looking forward to the most.
Then I have a list of 23 movies I want to see at all from 2013. But Man of Steel is still the one I'm most excited (and worried) for.
I heard poor things about Oblivion. Think it's a DVD one.
After Earth - not interested in any more Shy-ama-lama-ding-dong movies.
Man of Steel - probably.
Thor - Not really. Didn't see the first one.
Hobbit part 2 - Probably yes if it's in 48fps again. I saw the first one in 48fps and 3D and it was quite something.
Elysium - definitely - looks fantastic and Neill Blomkamp directing. :tup
Next Year i'm looking forward to Christopher Nolan's outer space film " Interstellar ".
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Next Year i'm looking forward to Christopher Nolan's outer space film " Interstellar ".
Yes! Very much so.
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I am so fucking excited about this movie. I want to see it yesterday.
I just hope the rumor (POSSIBLE SPOILARZ) about Krypton not blowing up in this version aren't true.
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Not true... I think that's in the basic synopsis. Or at least one of the trailers.
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Whoa. Just caught this in The Count of Monte Cristo.
(https://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/82/a05140777aef8fabf5567f668d491d6c/l.png)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lovkw3XfD01qmewnmo1_500.jpg)
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I am so fucking excited about this movie. I want to see it yesterday.
I just hope the rumor (POSSIBLE SPOILARZ) about Krypton not blowing up in this version aren't true.
Haha. Zack Snyder pulls a reverse JJ.
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Just got home from seeing it. Starts off a bit slow, the usual Superman story, but then........................... buckle the seatbelts. AWESOME movie!
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Whoa. Just caught this in The Count of Monte Cristo.
(https://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/82/a05140777aef8fabf5567f668d491d6c/l.png)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lovkw3XfD01qmewnmo1_500.jpg)
OMG -- that's HIM??? :o
love, love, LOVE that movie, btw :tup
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Man of Steel was great! Loved Snyder's style for Superman.
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Agreed. This Superman re-boot is fantastic.
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Seeing it tomorrow afternoon... er... later today, I guess. So pumped. I've heard the action is epic.
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Excellent movie, super entertaining and not sure really why rottentomatoes has such a low rating, not that I'd care anyway. The action could've been curtailed a bit in the end.
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The re-occuring criticism I've been reading with every negative review is it's not fun or have very little humor. MAN OF STEEL was very, very entertaining! I'm sorry, half of these critics probably never read a Superman comic, especially when John Byrne relaunched the character in the 80s. Superman isn't all sunshine like he was in the Reeves' movies. Besides, if you are going to critique a movie, critique the actual piece. Everyone was wanting a another Donner/Reeve movie. Last time someone tried to recreate that, people roasted it. I swear, movie critics have become high school girls, it pisses me off
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To hell with them. Superman was in dire need of a reboot and the movie delivers. My dad, wife and I really loved it. I loved both fathers and how Costner and Crowe played them.
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Just heard a :tup review from someone practically swooning over the wonder of it. :lol
Guess I'll wander over to my local cinema plex and check it out.
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Massive disappointment for me. One of the most disappointing movie-going experiences I have had in recent memory.
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To hell with them. Superman was in dire need of a reboot and the movie delivers. My dad, wife and I really loved it. I loved both fathers and how Costner and Crowe played them.
Likewise. While I fully understand that the Donner/Reeves films were classics for their time, they have not aged well at all. Man of Steel did a terrific job at making the story more serious, but it's not the totally bleak TDK ripoff I keep hearing others describe it as. Despite the seriousness of it all, there's an undertone of hope too through out the film. :tup
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Not since Attack of the Clones have I been so disappointed. Like then, I had to resort to writing to feel better, so I wrote a review on my FB page. I'll probably copy and paste it onto IMDB.
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Not since Attack of the Clones have I been so disappointed. Like then, I had to resort to writing to feel better, so I wrote a review on my FB page. I'll probably copy and paste it onto IMDB.
You mean you honestly had high hopes for AotC after Phantom Menace? :omg:
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At least TPM felt like a SW movie and had a few decent parts....Darth Maul for example. AOTC was simply horrid.
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At least TPM felt like a SW movie and had a few decent parts....Darth Maul for example. AOTC was simply horrid.
A fair enough statement, and one I actually share with you. But even still, how could you possibly go into AotC with high expectations after TPM had already happened?
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Actually, yes. An older Anakin. Another Fett. Better technology to improve the visuals. A CG Yoda rather than that horrid puppet. All of those things, beforehand, sounded promising. But I am a hardcore SW and an optimist. I didn't hate TPM; I just thought the direction if it (trade federation and Anakin as child) was wrong.
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Man of Steel bored me as much as Watchmen did. The action was so redundant, and there was so much of it. Just superhumans throwing eachother around for 20 minutes at a time while destroying a bunch of property. Also, I thought there was a lot of hammy and contrived dialogue. The part with the world engine was pretty cool, but by that time, I was so sick of seeing rubble and crap blowing up that I didn't even care.
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God, I loved this movie. It was super.
Edit: I did notice that Mr. Cavill has a severe case of "Brit-teeth."
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My feelings are mixed about the film. :|
It wasn't bad but I think my expectations were more than they should have been. Must think on it some more...
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God, I loved this movie. It was super.
I thought to myself "finally, this is how super heroes throw-down in a fist fight." The 2v1 fight was awesome. My favourite "this is so cool" moment was in the final Zod fight when Superman punched him, flew at him, punched him, flew at him, repeat, repeat, all from Superman's PoV.
I love 3D and this was so wicked in 3D.
Cavill was a perfect choice for Superman. And the kids they chose for Clark as child and adolescent looked JUST like him. Awesome!
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God, I loved this movie. It was super.
I thought to myself "finally, this is how super heroes throw-down in a fist fight." The 2v1 fight was awesome. My favourite "this is so cool" moment was in the final Zod fight when Superman punched him, flew at him, punched him, flew at him, repeat, repeat, all from Superman's PoV.
I love 3D and this was so wicked in 3D.
Cavill was a perfect choice for Superman. And the kids they chose for Clark as child and adolescent looked JUST like him. Awesome!
This all literally echoes my thoughts. I LOVED how they incorporated flight into the fights (now that they finally have the technology to do so). Some of the scenes where Superman was hovering in front of Zod, I just thought "Wow. Now that is Superman." Even the small things, like how Supes would recover from a blow in mid-air were a nice touch.
Guess I'll bullet my thoughts.
* I was worried the Krypton backstory would bore me. Nope. I loved Jor-El, his confrontation with Zod, and thought Krypton was well-paced.
* Nice humor moments. Loved how he mangled the trucker's rig. Also, my favorite line:
"That's a twelve million dollar surveillance drone."
"It was." I lol'd.
* I like how Lois came upon the ship and met Supes via her investigation. It felt like she was naturally a part of the plot and she wasn't shoe-horned in.
* They should have named him Perry Black? :neverusethis:
* It was interesting how Superman was forced to break his own rule, but they showed the pain he endured because of it. I think that this incident will lead to him forming that rule for himself, actually.
* Like you mentioned, I was impressed by how spot-on the young Clarks were.
* When Clark first discovered X-ray vision, that was pretty trippy. I think that is exactly how it would have gone down if a kid suddenly starting seeing someone's innards.
I enjoyed the hell out of it. Finally we utilize current tech to show on screen what Superman is actually capable of. Will be seeing again.
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^^^ I agree with all that; love your assessment about Supes 'no killing' rule and Zod.. The film was very well done and I generally liked it. Not sure why I wasn't blown away. :yeahright
Maybe I need to see it again.
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^^^ I agree with all that; love your assessment about Supes 'no killing' rule and Zod.. The film was very well done and I generally liked it. Not sure why I wasn't blown away. :yeahright
Maybe I need to see it again.
I know why I wasn't completely blown away, and it wasn't the movie's fault. Nothing surprised me. Why? Because the trailers showed something from almost every scene in the movie. The aggressive marketing was fine, but they just revealed too damn much via small snippets. I have a feeling the second viewing will be a LOT better because the enjoyability would be like watching any other movie that I've already seen, rather than a first-time viewing.
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I just think it lacked heart. I never felt that he was truly heroic. He discovered his powers along the way, but he didn't show any or enough regard for human life. There were elements that were not developed, such as when Jonathan said "Maybe" in regards to letting people die. That was an emotional scene, but there was never a payoff. Did Superman at the end agree with this sentiment? We don't know. Hell, in Superman Returns, we see Superman turn, mid-flight, to destroy the falling glass---protecting the innocents below. Where was any of that? Where was the regard for all the people in those collapsing buildings? Not to get mushy here, but how many people, really, would have died during that? Yet, it wasn't even an emotional footnote to anyone, including Superman. That is why this movie failed.
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^^^ I agree with all that; love your assessment about Supes 'no killing' rule and Zod.. The film was very well done and I generally liked it. Not sure why I wasn't blown away. :yeahright
Maybe I need to see it again.
I know why I wasn't completely blown away, and it wasn't the movie's fault. Nothing surprised me. Why? Because the trailers showed something from almost every scene in the movie. The aggressive marketing was fine, but they just revealed too damn much via small snippets. I have a feeling the second viewing will be a LOT better because the enjoyability would be like watching any other movie that I've already seen, rather than a first-time viewing.
And that is why I have completely boycotted movie trailers now. They ruin movies. Nearly every single scene, save for what was shown in the original trailer, was fresh for me. It has really worked out well for IM3, STID, and TDKR.
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When Lois said "Welcome to The Planet" I burst out laughing. If I see it again, I will probably crack up again.
I've never laughed so much at a sneaky pun.
I thought the movie was amazing, but I found Zod's deathwish "Either you die, or I die!" REALLY corny.
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To the note of the collateral in the film, I don't think Superman had a choice. His ass was being handed to by Zod while his World Engine was leveling downtown Metropolis. The World Engine, by definition of its purpose, would destroy all infrastructure and human life on Earth to terraform it to the needs of Kryptonians. How else would they portray that?
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By not using a plot device like the World Machine. It was unnecessary to the story.
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That is why this movie failed.
Jumpin' the gun there, you think?
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Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
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And my particular opinion must have an exact correlation to future box office numbers, whether other people agree with it or not.
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Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
Jesus. No sense of wonder? Let's play a game, who doesn't here know the story of Superman and his origins?! I wonder how hard you are to please? Listen, it's a superhero movie. We all go in knowing full well what to expect. I wasn't looking for an In Burges or Memento. I go into it knowing full well they will mold how this Superman from a child to to his grown up man and how he feels for humanity and how it made him who he was. Then plenty of action. Not that hard.
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If DTF is a sample at all, I see far users liking it than not. Not sure if this is a sizable enough statistical sampling, but I suspect it is enough to show a trend.
Over all... liked it. The one thing I often shake my head at (in all movies like this) is the amount of damage that gets done to a major city. Like, who's gonna clean and rebuild all this shit? Avengers and Transformers 3 also come to mind as movies that go super overkill with the destruction. Lots of action, and it's got to be a contractors dream!
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If DTF is a sample at all, I see far users liking it than not. Not sure if this is a sizable enough statistical sampling, but I suspect it is enough to show a trend.
It is. I'm at a lot of other websites, and I keep hearing a resounding positive response to the film from most people. I also read an article earlier today that mentioned that Man of Steel managed to make more money in its opening day than Superman Returns did in its entire opening weekend. :tup
Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
Like I said, I'm at a bunch of other websites and lurk around even more. While the film does have its controversies, it's gotten a pretty damn positive response from most people.
And there's another thing I keep seeing everywhere too; people wanting to see it again. Not only people that liked it, but also the people that weren't sure how they felt about it. Hell, I know for a fact that I personally want to see it at least two more times while it's still in theaters. There's a lot to this movie, and I think that while you're perfectly entitled to your opinion about the movie itself, your judgement on how it will do financially is dead wrong.
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If DTF is a sample at all, I see far users liking it than not.
Over at mp.com people automatically hate movies if they are 3D.
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Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
Jesus. No sense of wonder? Let's play a game, who doesn't here know the story of Superman and his origins?! I wonder how hard you are to please? Listen, it's a superhero movie. We all go in knowing full well what to expect. I wasn't looking for an In Burges or Memento. I go into it knowing full well they will mold how this Superman from a child to to his grown up man and how he feels for humanity and how it made him who he was. Then plenty of action. Not that hard.
When I say no sense of wonder, I mean that it doesn't inspire people. The 1978 film made every kid want to tie a towel around his neck and go jumping off the roof. It gave kids that feeling of amazement, and like its tag line, it made you believe that a man could fly. This didn't have that. Except for the school bus scene, for which he was chastised by Pa, there were few scenes that made you sit back and say, "what a nice man" (like the old lady in the Superman II). It wouldn't take a master stroke to accomplish what I'm saying.
And the score was shit. Dull. Boring. I couldn't even him a single bar of it.
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The score was lame. Zimmer can do better.
No one beats Williams for inspirational scoring.
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Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
Jesus. No sense of wonder? Let's play a game, who doesn't here know the story of Superman and his origins?! I wonder how hard you are to please? Listen, it's a superhero movie. We all go in knowing full well what to expect. I wasn't looking for an In Burges or Memento. I go into it knowing full well they will mold how this Superman from a child to to his grown up man and how he feels for humanity and how it made him who he was. Then plenty of action. Not that hard.
When I say no sense of wonder, I mean that it doesn't inspire people. The 1978 film made every kid want to tie a towel around his neck and go jumping off the roof. It gave kids that feeling of amazement, and like its tag line, it made you believe that a man could fly. This didn't have that. Except for the school bus scene, for which he was chastised by Pa, there were few scenes that made you sit back and say, "what a nice man" (like the old lady in the Superman II). It wouldn't take a master stroke to accomplish what I'm saying.
"It doesn't inspire people"? I can't speak for anyone else here, but Man of Steel inspired me. I left the theater after the film with a strong sense of hope. Superman doesn't have to be like the Donner films to be able to inspire people.
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Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
Jesus. No sense of wonder? Let's play a game, who doesn't here know the story of Superman and his origins?! I wonder how hard you are to please? Listen, it's a superhero movie. We all go in knowing full well what to expect. I wasn't looking for an In Burges or Memento. I go into it knowing full well they will mold how this Superman from a child to to his grown up man and how he feels for humanity and how it made him who he was. Then plenty of action. Not that hard.
When I say no sense of wonder, I mean that it doesn't inspire people. The 1978 film made every kid want to tie a towel around his neck and go jumping off the roof. It gave kids that feeling of amazement, and like its tag line, it made you believe that a man could fly. This didn't have that. Except for the school bus scene, for which he was chastised by Pa, there were few scenes that made you sit back and say, "what a nice man" (like the old lady in the Superman II). It wouldn't take a master stroke to accomplish what I'm saying.
"It doesn't inspire people"? I can't speak for anyone else here, but Man of Steel inspired me. I left the theater after the film with a strong sense of hope. Superman doesn't have to be like the Donner films to be able to inspire people.
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It may mean nothing, but I'm noticing a definite age skew related to the general like/dislike of this film.
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There's only so many times two characters who don't get hurt can crash through walls/skyscrapers,pavement, etc. before it becomes white noise. I never felt invested in any of the action in this movie -- and boy, was there a lot of action. It felt a bit Star Wars prequel-y in that way, except that I found the stuff in the prequels at least somewhat visually entertaining. Hell, I thought the action in Transformers was better than some of the stuff I sat through in Man of Steel.
It's unfortunate because there are seeds of a good film in here -- Costner and Lane played their roles well, as did Crowe, who somehow managed to not sound ridiculous with all the silly lines he had to recite. The back and forth cuts between present and past were also a bit frustrating and I think a more linear narrative would have served the movie better.
Also, the amount of times Snyder did that Wide angle -> zoom -> ZOOM!!! shot bordered on self-parody.
edit: For the demographic study -- I'm 24 and have never seen any previous Superman films. Superhero movies I enjoyed include Spiderman (Raimi), Iron Man, and The Dark Knight.
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I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. To me, this isn't just any superhero; Superman is THE superhero...one with very specific, iconic traits. I saw very few significant examples of those traits in this movie, and because it was lacking, it was a disappointment. If this exact film was Green Lantern's story, then I would perhaps like it more because I am not tied to that character's history; therefore, I would be more open to creative license and less negative towards the glaring omissions. I am not difficult to please, and I don't think that it has to be the Donner movie to be a success. Rather, I want smart storytelling. The Donner version worked because it hit on every single bullet point that would be put on paper to describe Superman. IMO, this movie not only did not hit on those points, it completely missed nearly all of them.
Glad you enjoyed it. After many years of serious anticipation, I did not.
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That is why this movie failed.
Jumpin' the gun there, you think?
$200m opening weekend is not too shabby.
Mind you it cost a whopping $225m to make so has some way to go yet to be considered a big hit.
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It's awesome how much of a shit some people give about other people's opinions. That is, the ones that allow themselves to get angry simply because of another person's useless opinion. I haven't seen this movie yet but the amount of arguing and ridiculous 'debates' over aspects of this film I've seen personally as well as on the net is astounding. It's like watching a dog chase it's own tail. :corn
Very divisive movie. I like that. I hope to see it tonight or tomorrow. Probably tomorrow as Father's Day lunch wiped me out...ZzzzZZZzzZZZzZZzZZ
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Nope. You will see. There will be a significant drop-off, and the B.O. Numbers will reflect that because I seriously doubt there will be repeated viewings. The first 90+ minutes were almost a complete borefest and the action sequences became tedious.
Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
Jesus. No sense of wonder? Let's play a game, who doesn't here know the story of Superman and his origins?! I wonder how hard you are to please? Listen, it's a superhero movie. We all go in knowing full well what to expect. I wasn't looking for an In Burges or Memento. I go into it knowing full well they will mold how this Superman from a child to to his grown up man and how he feels for humanity and how it made him who he was. Then plenty of action. Not that hard.
When I say no sense of wonder, I mean that it doesn't inspire people. The 1978 film made every kid want to tie a towel around his neck and go jumping off the roof. It gave kids that feeling of amazement, and like its tag line, it made you believe that a man could fly. This didn't have that. Except for the school bus scene, for which he was chastised by Pa, there were few scenes that made you sit back and say, "what a nice man" (like the old lady in the Superman II). It wouldn't take a master stroke to accomplish what I'm saying.
And the score was shit. Dull. Boring. I couldn't even him a single bar of it.
I saw it when I was 10 and never liked the first Superman. The second was way better. Inspire? That's for kid's and I'm Guessing you are not one anymore. You are way off base here.
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;D ;D Let's just all agree that Superman III & IV were terrible !
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;D ;D Let's just all agree that Superman III & IV were terrible !
I would bet 100% would agree with you. :lol
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Yup! :lol :tup
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Well, if you believe that movies are meant to only inspire children, then I am thrilled that we have different opinions. Good luck with that.
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I'll go out and buy a cape right away then.
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Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
For you, maybe. I was giddy like a child throughout the whole damn thing. Don't assume that because you weren't inspired, others won't be either.
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It's funny how that happens. I was absolutely hooked on Star Trek ( 2009 ) from the first moment and was absolutely enthralled throughout but afterwards the people who I went to see it with were not so fussed.
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Also, it fails because it never, IMO, inspires. There was no sense of wonder.
For you, maybe. I was giddy like a child throughout the whole damn thing. Don't assume that because you weren't inspired, others won't be either.
^^ This. I can't remember the last time I watched a film and smiled more. Loved it from start to finish
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^ ^ I am going on Wednesday. I think the best thing to do is go in with no preconceptions.
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Like I said, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Trust me, I'm envious. I would much rather be singing the praises of my most-anticipated movie in years, but that's not gonna happen.
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Yeah that does suck when you're let down by something you've been waiting for..
I wasn't disappointed by Star Trek Into Darkness but I definitely didn't enjoy it *quite* as much as the previous one. :)
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I agree about Star Trek. I loved nearly every single second of that movie. Into Darkness was very good, but there were a few parts that I could've done without. I hated the whole opening scene.
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If DTF is a sample at all, I see far users liking it than not.
Over at mp.com people automatically hate movies if they are 3D.
This is NOT the case, people over there, including me, have stated that we hate 3D technology itself and that has nothing to do with the movie. And every single movie comes out in both 2D and 3D so people have a choice in which medium they want to see it.
For me personally I get headaches and it detracts me from enjoying the movie itself so why would I want to see a movie in 3D? You're assuming too much.
Anyways, as stated I loved this movie. I echo what most have said that they could've refined and snipped the action a bit to make it super repetitive. I think what I loved most was the larger role of Krypton's back story. I grew up with the Donner superman movies, heck I've seen superman 3 and 4 in the theaters and loved it. I recently watched the first and second movies and I still feel a connection to them even though they're kinda campy but the story was great for that time.
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In spite of all the above, I am looking forward to the next film. The crew will have their feet under them, I think and it could be great fun.
Lex Luthor must be in it. Who should play him? I loved Gene Hackman. Thought Kevin Spacey was a good choice despite the lame movie. :\ Common feature to the character is a smugness that makes you want to punch them in the face. :coolio
Not sure if he's the right physical type but I think Philip Seymour Hoffman would knock it outta the park. He's a great villian and he does disdain so well. He'd have to be bald, though...
You guys *DID* see the LuthorCorp tanker truck get thrown around during the Metropolis first scenes, right? :biggrin:
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You guys *DID* see the LuthorCorp tanker truck get thrown around during the Metropolis first scenes, right? :biggrin:
I did, as well as the subtle "Smallville" billboard that was flashed briefly.
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Fassbender should be Luthor, although maybe playing Magneto is enough for him
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If DTF is a sample at all, I see far users liking it than not.
Over at mp.com people automatically hate movies if they are 3D.
This is NOT the case, people over there, including me, have stated that we hate 3D technology itself and that has nothing to do with the movie. And every single movie comes out in both 2D and 3D so people have a choice in which medium they want to see it.
For me personally I get headaches and it detracts me from enjoying the movie itself so why would I want to see a movie in 3D? You're assuming too much.
Anyways, as stated I loved this movie. I echo what most have said that they could've refined and snipped the action a bit to make it super repetitive. I think what I loved most was the larger role of Krypton's back story. I grew up with the Donner superman movies, heck I've seen superman 3 and 4 in the theaters and loved it. I recently watched the first and second movies and I still feel a connection to them even though they're kinda campy but the story was great for that time.
I think the only movies that make sense in 3D are sci-fi like Prometheus where you can do scenes like the Orrery.
Star Trek Into Darkness didn't make any sense in 3D - it added absolutely nothing. You lost nothing seeing it in 2D.
Avatar was good in 3D because it added depth without going " woooahh ! pokey pokey ! " all the time.
When they start bringing out comedies and dramas in 3D then you know they're only doing it for the money.
What would be the point of " Latest Seth Rogen Comedy Vehicle in 3D " ?
( on ANY level ? )
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Fassbender should be Luthor, although maybe playing Magneto is enough for him
He's great, but I always see Luthor as one who evil because he has something to prove. Bullied like Clark was but leaning towards revenge rather than justice.
Fassbender seems too cool and handsome, not a bully who had been bullied. He needs to be jealous of Superman.
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You guys *DID* see the LuthorCorp tanker truck get thrown around during the Metropolis first scenes, right? :biggrin:
I did, as well as the subtle "Smallville" billboard that was flashed briefly.
Well, that's not exactly an Easter Egg. Superman was raised in Smallville.
I loved the film, thoroughly enjoyed it, and thought it was easily the best version of Superman yet to be brought to screen. However, for me there was one giant plot hole.
Why the need for the Kryptonians to destroy Earth? They obviously have the technology to terraform a planet to fit their particular needs, and also obviously have the technology to travel among the stars. If their goal was to reinvent Krypton (on the face of it not an evil idea), why the need to destroy Earth to do it? Why not just travel to a different planet, perhaps one devoid of intelligent life, and terraform THAT?
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I absolutely loved this movie from beginning to end. I went to see it twice this weekend. The First time in 2D and the second in 3D. It was such a different and refreshing take of the superman story. It wasn't the same old story of Superman arrives and is chasing bad guys around the city from criminal activity or here comes Lex Luther with some krytonite to destroy Superman ::). It's the Superman movie I've always wanted to see. I can't believe people are complaining that there is too much action and destruction in this movie. You people ever read a superman comic book? Destruction is what happens when he faces other villains who are just as strong as he is. It's why I loved this movie, it truly was a Superman comic book come to life. I loved Hans Zimmer score as well, a John Williams type score would have been out of place for this movie. Man of Steel has become my favorite super hero movie of all time and just overall one of my favorite movies of all time.
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You guys *DID* see the LuthorCorp tanker truck get thrown around during the Metropolis first scenes, right? :biggrin:
I did, as well as the subtle "Smallville" billboard that was flashed briefly.
Well, that's not exactly an Easter Egg. Superman was raised in Smallville.
Why the need for the Kryptonians to destroy Earth? They obviously have the technology to terraform a planet to fit their particular needs, and also obviously have the technology to travel among the stars. If their goal was to reinvent Krypton (on the face of it not an evil idea), why the need to destroy Earth to do it? Why not just travel to a different planet, perhaps one devoid of intelligent life, and terraform THAT?
Good question, didn't think of that one. I chalk it up to ZOD not caring what happens to the people of earth and he wanted to take vengeance against Superman by hurting the people he cared for.
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
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You guys *DID* see the LuthorCorp tanker truck get thrown around during the Metropolis first scenes, right? :biggrin:
I did, as well as the subtle "Smallville" billboard that was flashed briefly.
Well, that's not exactly an Easter Egg. Superman was raised in Smallville.
Why the need for the Kryptonians to destroy Earth? They obviously have the technology to terraform a planet to fit their particular needs, and also obviously have the technology to travel among the stars. If their goal was to reinvent Krypton (on the face of it not an evil idea), why the need to destroy Earth to do it? Why not just travel to a different planet, perhaps one devoid of intelligent life, and terraform THAT?
Good question, didn't think of that one. I chalk it up to ZOD not caring what happens to the people of earth and he wanted to take vengeance against Superman by hurting the people he cared for.
Also remember Zod didn't want Superman to exist in the first place. "HERESY!"
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
Yup, that's sounds about right.
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
Yup, that's sounds about right.
No, that sounds like lazy writing.
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
Yup, that's sounds about right.
No, that sounds like lazy writing.
What so lazy about it? It makes sense. It's Superman not Citizen Kane.
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
Yup, that's sounds about right.
No, that sounds like lazy writing.
What so lazy about it? It makes sense. It's Superman not Citizen Kane.
That is not a valid point.
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Let me elaborate a little more, Jor-el embedded the entire trillion or billion souls of Krypton into each cell of Kal-el. Zod and his minions (ba-bouy) needed Superman and had to extract all of those from his body in order to regenerate Krypton. Now this may be a wide assumption but I'm going to assume that superman wasnt going to go along their plan. So if they decided to recreate Krypton elsewhere in another galaxy, they still needed supes and need to come to earth to fetch him. Once they fetch him they would then need to extract the juice and then choose to recreate wherever they wanted.
Again whether one accepts it or not as a valid point or finds it as lazy writing is up to them. I didn't have a problem with it. Just like I didn't have a problem in Dark Knight rises when Bruce returns to Gotham from the prison without any explanation as to how he got back.
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
Yup, that's sounds about right.
No, that sounds like lazy writing.
What so lazy about it? It makes sense. It's Superman not Citizen Kane.
Regardless of whether a movie is classic cinema or not, it has to have solid writing to come off as a believable and coherent plot.
I'm very excited to see this film, the darker take on Superman intrigues me. Don't get me wrong, I grew up watching Christopher Reeve's take on Superman when I was a kid, but I've always wanted to see a version of Superman with more... "struggle". It's always felt too easy when I watch Superman, like I know the guy is gonna win.
Maybe that's why I'm beginning to enjoy superhero movies less. Being sure that the good guy wins every time takes away the suspense..?
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They needed to come to Earth to find Kal-el since he had the codecs of genetic life etc.. maybe convenience of rebirthing a planet when supes is already there? So since they're there just destroy it and reform it. I dunno, I'm sure there was a reason they chose earth.
Yup, that's sounds about right.
No, that sounds like lazy writing.
What so lazy about it? It makes sense. It's Superman not Citizen Kane.
That is not a valid point.
Yes it is :P
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Let me elaborate a little more, Jor-el embedded the entire trillion or billion souls of Krypton into each cell of Kal-el. Zod and his minions (ba-bouy) needed Superman and had to extract all of those from his body in order to regenerate Krypton. Now this may be a wide assumption but I'm going to assume that superman wasnt going to go along their plan. So if they decided to recreate Krypton elsewhere in another galaxy, they still needed supes and need to come to earth to fetch him. Once they fetch him they would then need to extract the juice and then choose to recreate wherever they wanted.
They didn't know that he was embedded with the codex when they got there, but this seems to have been their plan from the beginning. But the motivation for such a thing was never explained, unless I missed it. If I did, someone please point it out to me.
Otherwise, it's just "because he's evil," or "because he's the bad guy." But that's lazy. He certainly didn't see himself as evil, and Jor-El never did either until he arrived at that council meeting on Krypton.
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They thought the codex was in that ship first. Then once they found the ship they(the scientist) figured out that superman had it embedded.
Also didnt Zod threaten that he would hunt down the kin of Jor-el before being banished to the Phantom zone?
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They thought the codex was in that ship first. Then once they found the ship they(the scientist) figured out that superman had it embedded.
Also didnt Zod threaten that he would hunt down the kin of Jor-el before being banished to the Phantom zone?
Exactly what I was about to bring up. He reiterated several times his vow to do so. As soon as adult Clark went into the ship and turned it on, he flagged Zod with a distress beacon. Zod comes across a Kryptonian distress signal, where else is he going to go? So he knows he's found the codex and Kal-El, both on Earth. Why waste time and resources finding another planet to terraform? Also, he's genetically designed to be a warrior - he probably thrived on the idea of replacing an old species with a new one.
Edit: By terraforming, Kryptonians would have lost the ability to fly, but the entire race would still have strength and powers on 'New Krypton' given their proximity to the sun.
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Why waste time and resources finding another planet to terraform? Also, he's genetically designed to be a warrior - he probably thrived on the idea of replacing an old species with a new one.
Your last thought doesn't go along with being a warrior.
He was bred for the purpose of of defending Krypton - he said that himself in the film. And there is no indication that he was ever any kind of villain on Krypton. Even his actions at the council, he saw as being in the defense of his world. I just don't see what destroying another civilization has to do with that, and I think that is a weak point of the script.
Now, like I already said, I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and can't wait for the inevitable sequel. But unless I'm missing something here, I'm not going to give it a free pass on this point.
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I liked the film quite a lot! Although, like others have stated here, I thought the wholesale destruction of Metropolis went pretty far. I only noticed one time where Superman broke off the battle to help an innocent then he immediately went back to destroying property and putting innocents at risk. I kept thinking, "Why doesn't he at least attempt to lead the enemy away from population centers?" Plus, I want to know what his super suit and cape is made of!! That sucker is more indestructible than he is.
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I guess I'll put it in my Netflix queue when it comes out on DVD.
From what I've heard the flick seems like it might be fun.
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He was bred for the purpose of of defending Krypton - he said that himself in the film. And there is no indication that he was ever any kind of villain on Krypton. Even his actions at the council, he saw as being in the defense of his world. I just don't see what destroying another civilization has to do with that, and I think that is a weak point of the script.
Now, like I already said, I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and can't wait for the inevitable sequel. But unless I'm missing something here, I'm not going to give it a free pass on this point.
Not commenting on th writing, weak or not. But I will say that the circumstances *did* actually make Zod a bit sympathetic, IMO. Because of duty and who/what he was, what he did he was compelled to do. His *own* people's survival was his only concern. That is relatable to me.
I couldn't view him in the usual "bad guy" light.
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He was bred for the purpose of of defending Krypton - he said that himself in the film. And there is no indication that he was ever any kind of villain on Krypton. Even his actions at the council, he saw as being in the defense of his world. I just don't see what destroying another civilization has to do with that, and I think that is a weak point of the script.
Now, like I already said, I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and can't wait for the inevitable sequel. But unless I'm missing something here, I'm not going to give it a free pass on this point.
Not commenting on th writing, weak or not. But I will say that the circumstances *did* actually make Zod a bit sympathetic, IMO. Because of duty and who/what he was, what he did he was compelled to do. His *own* people's survival was his only concern. That is relatable to me.
I couldn't view him in the usual "bad guy" light.
Well-Intentioned Extremist?
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I fucking loved this movie. Awesome addition to the Superman mythos; I really think the sequel will solidify as a true contender in the superhero movie race but this is an adrenaline-pumping (and still somehow heartfelt) beginning to what could be an awesome series. Definitely need to see this again, perhaps in Imax. :heart Faora.
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He was bred for the purpose of of defending Krypton - he said that himself in the film. And there is no indication that he was ever any kind of villain on Krypton. Even his actions at the council, he saw as being in the defense of his world. I just don't see what destroying another civilization has to do with that, and I think that is a weak point of the script.
Now, like I already said, I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and can't wait for the inevitable sequel. But unless I'm missing something here, I'm not going to give it a free pass on this point.
Not commenting on th writing, weak or not. But I will say that the circumstances *did* actually make Zod a bit sympathetic, IMO. Because of duty and who/what he was, what he did he was compelled to do. His *own* people's survival was his only concern. That is relatable to me.
I couldn't view him in the usual "bad guy" light.
Well-Intentioned Extremist?
Not really in the way one normally thinks. I don't see Zod as actually evil because choice doesn't seem to be bred into his DNA. He was purposeful only in what he was designed to do. That evoked a bit of understanding in me,
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I fucking loved this movie. Awesome addition to the Superman mythos; I really think the sequel will solidify as a true contender in the superhero movie race but this is an adrenaline-pumping (and still somehow heartfelt) beginning to what could be an awesome series. Definitely need to see this again, perhaps in Imax. :heart Faora.
As someone who enjoys Imax 3D if it's well done, it actually felt like a hindrance in MoS. It was hard to keep track of the action. I plan to see it again in 2D.
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I'll post this here as well and was wondering if anyone could confirm this.
Can any music aficionados confirm this about the score, my coworker said that the music in the trailer and also found throughout the movie and OST (which is glorious, worth purchasing) is a slowed down version of the classic John Williams theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY)
For reference in this trailer at 2:00 the soaring orchestral score he says is the same thing as the superman theme we all know. I can't really tell. Anyone say for sure?
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I don't hear it myself.
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He was bred for the purpose of of defending Krypton - he said that himself in the film. And there is no indication that he was ever any kind of villain on Krypton. Even his actions at the council, he saw as being in the defense of his world. I just don't see what destroying another civilization has to do with that, and I think that is a weak point of the script.
Now, like I already said, I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and can't wait for the inevitable sequel. But unless I'm missing something here, I'm not going to give it a free pass on this point.
Not commenting on th writing, weak or not. But I will say that the circumstances *did* actually make Zod a bit sympathetic, IMO. Because of duty and who/what he was, what he did he was compelled to do. His *own* people's survival was his only concern. That is relatable to me.
I couldn't view him in the usual "bad guy" light.
Well-Intentioned Extremist?
Not really in the way one normally thinks. I don't see Zod as actually evil because choice doesn't seem to be bred into his DNA. He was purposeful only in what he was designed to do. That evoked a bit of understanding in me,
Kind of like Clu in Tron: Legacy.
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I'm seeing this tomorrow and i'm going in with ZERO expectations or preconceptions.
I've heard the full gamut from " It's awesome - better than The Dark Knight "
to " Worst movie ever made - huge disappointment. "
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I saw it again today, and this time, afterwards, my father started talking about all the Christian references.
There are A LOT more than I thought there were.
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Oh, Superman as a Christ metaphor has always been blatant to my eyes. Father sending son with superhuman powers to Earth to save an ungrateful population. ;)
In the "Superman Returns" film, there is even a shot of him in an obvious crucifixion pose. Check here: https://davidcove.webs.com/comparisonstochrist.htm
The references are legion.
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I saw it again today, and this time, afterwards, my father started talking about all the Christian references.
There are A LOT more than I thought there were.
I wonder if the curse will affect anyone in this movie ;D
Margot Kidder went nuts and Superman was an allegory
Also - ET had a christ story ( comes to earth, can heal, returns to heavens ) - Drew Barrymore got messed up.
;D ;D
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Oh, Superman as a Christ metaphor has always been blatant to my eyes. Father sending son with superhuman powers to Earth to save an ungrateful population. ;)
In the "Superman Returns" film, there is even a shot of him in an obvious crucifixion pose. Check here: https://davidcove.webs.com/comparisonstochrist.htm
The references are legion.
I wince every time i see genius spelled with an o.
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Oh, Superman as a Christ metaphor has always been blatant to my eyes. Father sending son with superhuman powers to Earth to save an ungrateful population. ;)
In the "Superman Returns" film, there is even a shot of him in an obvious crucifixion pose. Check here: https://davidcove.webs.com/comparisonstochrist.htm
The references are legion.
I wince every time i see genius spelled with an o.
I see where that is. ;) I KNEW it wasn't me!!! :eek
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Saw it today, fucking LOVED it. I have none of the usual complaints, provided that Superman killing Zod is what motivates him in future installments to never kill again. Spectacular movie, loved how it handled the Lois/Clark dynamic, amazing fight scenes, Russell Crowe was awesome as Jor-el and Kevin Costner was bloody fantastic. Amazing fight scenes-the standard for superhuman fight scenes was set here. A great movie, and at risk of starting a nerd war, one I enjoyed more than Dark Knight Rises and nearly as much as Avengers. It's not perfect, but it's the best possible modern launch for Superman in films you can get.
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Agreed on all accounts, Jaq. I definitely liked it much, much more than TDKR (still hold TDK as my favorite superhero movie though, although this came pretty close) and a bit more than Avengers. This to me was a near perfect reboot as it touched upon the aspects that have already been established, albeit with a new coat of paint, while still making it feel fresh and adding plenty of new elements to make it their own. I didn't think at any point in the movie "I've seen this already, get on with it" like I did in, say, The Amazing Spiderman (which I think was mostly a failure and a piece of poopyshit); but it was enough for me to be reminded of Supe's origins in a new manner. Great film and I think I might go see it again tonight by my lonesome.
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Glad to see others liking this movie as much as I did. I always held the first Superman movie as the greatest super hero movie ever made as it still holds up today, but I have to admit I like this new movie more. I was like a kid again watching the the first Superman movie for the very first time.
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I watched Superman: The Movie on Monday with my folks after not seeing it for about 10 years. It's still a great movie, touching on a lot of the same notes as this new one with regard to the origin story.
The only thing holding it down is the Special FX. You can tell that they obviously wanted to illustrate his powers in a variety of outlandish scenarios, but it comes across as cheesy because it looks so fake. Man of Steel manages to emulate the spirit of the first two movies while allowing us to suspend our disbelief throughout, thanks to advances in CGI coupled with Snyder's unique visual style, which was thankfully toned down (relatively).
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I recently saw it. It was not very good. I did not care about any of the characters and it was so action-packed that there was no room to breathe. It was like they turned it up to 11 and left it there for the entire movie. Very disappointing.
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FInally saw it :
Very briefly : 50% a great film with awesome visuals and acting and story
50% Over the top CGI fighting and action.
I'd give it 7/10 overall.
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It seems like everyone is forgetting that Superman and Lois killed Zod, Non, and Ursa... and seemed to take pleasure in it.
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It seems like everyone is forgetting that Superman and Lois killed Zod, Non, and Ursa... and seemed to take pleasure in it.
What movie are you talking about?
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He's talking about the second superman. Though it's not graphic those 3 do get killed by supes and Lois in the end.
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If Blob thought there were too many explosions in Star Trek InTo Darkness and no mention of a few buildings getting toppled -
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I was getting really bored of the constant explosions and smashing and bashing by the end.
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I was getting really bored of the constant explosions and smashing and bashing by the end.
This.
I rarely think a movie is "too long". The amount that's charged for first-run films these days, it BETTER be longer than 90 minutes. I've sat in three-hour movies and found myself wondering where the time went and sad when it was over. And I definitely don't mind some good blowing up in a movie. :xbones
It just seemed to be SO MUCH of it at the end without really good reason (IMO), I found myself wondering when they were going to simply get on with it. :|
Still a decent flick. :tup
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My lord, the action sequences were fantastic. I love the imaginative sci-fi aspects. Zack Snyder never fails to disappoint. And I am not usually the type easily swayed by eye-candy.....
Not great as a serious flick for, but one intense hell-of-a roller coaster ride. The POV shots of Superman while fighting Zod in the air was sick! Would watch again.
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It seems like everyone is forgetting that Superman and Lois killed Zod, Non, and Ursa... and seemed to take pleasure in it.
What movie are you talking about?
Superman 2. He reverses the chamber to strip them of their powers, breaks Zod's hand, and throws both Zod and Non into the icy depth. Then Lois slaps Ursa before tossing her over. "You know what? You're a real pain in the neck."
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It seems like everyone is forgetting that Superman and Lois killed Zod, Non, and Ursa... and seemed to take pleasure in it.
What movie are you talking about?
Superman 2. He reverses the chamber to strip them of their powers, breaks Zod's hand, and throws both Zod and Non into the icy depth. Then Lois slaps Ursa before tossing her over. "You know what? You're a real pain in the neck."
:tup
Another reason that the Donner films are nowhere near as good as their nostalgic reputation.
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It seems like everyone is forgetting that Superman and Lois killed Zod, Non, and Ursa... and seemed to take pleasure in it.
What movie are you talking about?
Superman 2. He reverses the chamber to strip them of their powers, breaks Zod's hand, and throws both Zod and Non into the icy depth. Then Lois slaps Ursa before tossing her over. "You know what? You're a real pain in the neck."
:tup
Another reason that the Donner films are nowhere near as good as their nostalgic reputation.
Superman 2 is way overrated. I can't watch it anymore it drives me nuts. First off Lois Lane is in love with SUPERMAN not Clark Kent. She loves Superman for who he is, so when he made the choice to lose his powers, their was no reason for Lois to love him because he was no longer Superman! He was just a big old wimp that got his but kicked by a truck driver! That's not who Lois Lane is infatuated with!
Anyways the original Superman is a classic to me.
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Saw it again. Loved it even more. Speaking frankly, if you expected some ginormous expose into the lore of Superman in this singular introductory movie, you're kidding yourself and set yourself up for disappointment. As an introduction into the Superman world and as a full-on 'reboot', this was a fantastic way of showing the brutality of an alien race that sees nothing but potential to destroy, procreate, and repeat. Granted, this is my drunken opinion and I'm not out to offend anyone that hated the movie. In fact, I can completely see that point of view, but it really is all about expectations and what the movie actually brings to the table. If this were the third installment, I'd be right there with the naysayers. But this is almost 'meant' to be shallow in a way; it's a very simple intro, is how I see it. That line of thinking led me to take it as it is and enjoy every single brutal moment; and there were a lot.
It did feel a bit dragged out, that much I agree on. It could have easily cut out about 30 minutes and still been completely fine if not better for it. But as a beginning to what will more than likely be a series of installments, this is a fantastic start. No doubt that the next movie will expand upon the story, lore and general mysteries of the Kryptonian race, the 'true' power of this being dubbed the Superman, and his adversaries. I am so excited to see where this goes and I really think that Snyder, who I have paid absolutely no attention to as a director until now (hated 300, that god damn fucking bandwagon had burned and collapsed, and didn't even scoff at Blowjob Drunkpunch whatever the fuck), but he did justice to the Kryptonian race. Yeah, it could have been better, but it's a great start and I think that if he sticks to his guns, this could be a seriously amazing superhero series that puts Avengers in its place.
As it is, I really enjoyed this more than any of Marvel's movies if I'm really honest. I mean, I like the superheroes of Marvel more, but the way that the Marvel movies portrayed them were far less enjoyable than Man of Steel's rendition, in my puny little dumb opinion. So, hopefully they will delve more into the mysteries and lore of the Superman series instead of showcasing more of the brutality. We've seen what they can do and how otherworldly they are; it was fun and it was a good ride. Now let's see where they go, who can stand up to them, and their 'true' origins. Comic storylines FTW. There's amazing material to be used, fucking use it. Snyder is not an intellectual man, clearly...use what you already have and maybe put a spin on it. As long as his ego doesn't get in the way, I don't see why this can't turn into something incredible.
Just my drunken thoughts...after a bottle of wine and three shots. Little late disclaimer there....fuck broman.
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As for Superhero movies - I preferred both Avengers Assemble & The Dark Knight Rises.
For movies i've been to see recently - i preferred Star Trek Into Darkness.
Man Of Steel could have downright amazing but the excessive destruction just ruined it for me.
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I can completely see that point of view. But I love a good show of realistic (as realistic as showing aliens and superheros can be...) carnage, and for me this just hit the spot. Granted, my usual dose of carnage in the form of my bi-weekly/monthly manga called Gantz just ended so I am really starved for some serious gore and destruction. Too bad coliseums aren't still active and accepted; that'd be really good for both my entertainment (I AM) and population control; cause fuck humans. :huh: /kyptonian
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Except there was excessive destruction in The Avengers.
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Right...portrayed completely different. Man of Steel was a jarring expose; up-close-and-personal and in-your-face carnage for as hardcore as you can get with a PG-13 rating. Avengers was a broad-scale, open-ended, 'world invasion' movie. It wasn't nearly as detailed as Man of Steels view of the actual destruction. I mean, Man of Steel was also, very clearly, a world invasion and was still that scale, but it showcased it in a very different way. I personally prefer the more detailed, up-close-and-personal showcase.
Or maybe we watched completely different movies. I don't fucking know. Opinions. Assholes. What was the purpose of that post? Because clearly Avengers didn't satiate my despicable desires. (Please don't take this for like...anger or purposeful offensiveness. I'm drunk /pointlessdisclaimer) Either way...I'm not actually asking...it's just...a weird post...at this moment...i...n...tim.....e.........tiiiiiiiiime....space...the UNIVERSE love you king shut up :heart :millahhhh :millahhhh :millahhhh :millahhhh
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I've seen way worse carnage in movies before. The Man Of Steel was not as violent as people portray here.
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Oh I completely agree on that front. Me, personally, I think the most carnage I've ever seen in any movie is in I Saw The Devil, a Korean flick that is basically a culmination of torture scenes based around a really great story of self-sacrifice and revenge, along with the stupidity of human nature. But in relation to superhero movies, I mean. Specifically the showing of these 'superhuman' beings (or straight up aliens...) that have invaded our normal, everyday lives. Marvel and DC are the top contenders, but even a movie like Chronicle has showcased carnage in a way that is more satisfying to me than Avengers. Eh, I really don't know how to explain it better but it's useless because opinions. So fuck. I'm sorry, King. I'm sorry I'm a doody. *opens the red wine*
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I think the stakes were bigger in this film than in The Avengers. Those terraforming machines was going to wipe out the entire human race in minutes. I think the bigger picture is that Superman was forced to do something in the end that impeded on his code. The destruction was perfect scenario where Superman either is going to see the world end or he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do.
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Totally agree about I Saw the Devil. One of the most brutal movies I have ever seen.
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I can completely see that point of view. But I love a good show of realistic (as realistic as showing aliens and superheros can be...) carnage, and for me this just hit the spot. Granted, my usual dose of carnage in the form of my bi-weekly/monthly manga called Gantz just ended so I am really starved for some serious gore and destruction. Too bad coliseums aren't still active and accepted; that'd be really good for both my entertainment (I AM) and population control; cause fuck humans. :huh: /kyptonian
All of these movies totally failed in that the "heroes" all showed 0% regret or sadness over the thousands of civilian casualties, you know, the very ones they are sworn to protect.
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If people think Man of Steel had "carnage" in it, then moviegoers are getting pretty weak kneed. :lol
Want a movie filled with carnage? Independence Day. The death toll in that movie was probably in the BILLIONS. No one gives that the time of day though. Destruction in a Superman movie? OH NO THE HORROR.
People who read the comics can tell you that Superman has spent far more time punching the hell out of things over the past 30 years than using his wits. Occasionally, you see him do things like say "oh, was just making sure that building was empty", and then KABLAM, he punches his enemy through a building. All Man of Steel didn't do was have that one line.
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Want a movie filled with carnage? Independence Day. The death toll in that movie was probably in the BILLIONS. No one gives that the time of day though. Destruction in a Superman movie? OH NO THE HORROR.
But it got it all out of the way in one go. It wasn't building after building after crashed helicopter after crashed helicopter and then a train through a building and explosions after explosions.
There's a lot of destruction in Independence Day but it's all pretty much in that one scene where the saucers finally attack.
In Man Of Steel it's one thing after another for a long time.
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I loved Watchmen, but Man of Steel was HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE. Can't believe it has 8.0 on IMDB.
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I loved Watchmen, but Man of Steel was HORRIBLE, TERRIBLE. Can't believe it has 8.0 on IMDB.
Because you're the minority absolutely hating it?
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Wait...that was your first post? lawlz damn you must have really hated it. Shi' cray, dem 'pinions.
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Wait...that was your first post? lawlz damn you must have really hated it. Shi' cray, dem 'pinions.
FO REAL DAWG
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Did anybody catch the Aquaman easter egg? Im not talking about the whales, which is very well part of it, I think. The oil rig on fire was from a company called Marrivale Oil, which is owned by one of Aquaman's adversaries, Jordan Wylie. I noticed the other night when I saw the movie again. I pretty much did a happy dance in my seat :corn
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Nice catch. I had not heard of this one before.
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Man of Steel - 5 out of 5. Finally got the Superman movie that we deserve.
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Watched this yesterday. I was a bit sceptical when approaching the movie, due to the low critics score on Rottentomatoes, but the movie grabbed me well. Not being a fan of Superman at all, the movie impressed and captivated me. 4+ out of 5 :tup
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Man of Steel - 5 out of 5. Finally got the Superman movie that we deserve.
Just not the Superman that we need right now.
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Man of Steel - 5 out of 5. Finally got the Superman movie that we deserve.
Just not the Superman that we need right now.
:facepalm:
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Man of Steel - 5 out of 5. Finally got the Superman movie that we deserve.
Just not the Superman that we need right now.
:facepalm:
:marriageanalogy:
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I saw it yesterday and while I did enjoy it I kept thinking it was a Roland Emmerich film. Light on a legitimate story line and heavy on action.
I found myself a bit bored during the heavy action sequences. I don't know how many times you have have Superman and the evil emperor collide into each other at full speed while fighting in mid air?
but all in all it entertained. Certainly not the best film this genre has to offer but worthwhile to see.
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Man of Steel - 5 out of 5. Finally got the Superman movie that we deserve.
Just not the Superman that we need right now.
Why has society gone off the rails because of this Superman? We talking real life here or comic-con life?
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I really liked this movie a lot. And after seeing it, a lot of the criticism just doesn't make much sense to me. The whole "it's superpowerful characters fighting each other" - yeah, but that's every superhero movie out there. Even with a hero like Batman who is vulnerable, there's still gonna be that over-dramatic fight with beating nobody should be able to take, and then a big conclusion. "Superman not being heroic" - well he can't really be in 3-4 places in the same time can he? A lot of people died, but he did save earth as a whole.
Yeah, I really liked this one.
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I really liked this movie a lot. And after seeing it, a lot of the criticism just doesn't make much sense to me. The whole "it's superpowerful characters fighting each other" - yeah, but that's every superhero movie out there. Even with a hero like Batman who is vulnerable, there's still gonna be that over-dramatic fight with beating nobody should be able to take, and then a big conclusion. "Superman not being heroic" - well he can't really be in 3-4 places in the same time can he? A lot of people died, but he did save earth as a whole.
Yeah, I really liked this one.
Yeah he saved the earth, but he is also the reason it got greatly destroyed.
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Which makes for an interesting storyline. Do people and governments trust him and how do they react? I hope that's one of a few threads into the next storyline which will make Lois's character more important because she can be his voice to the people through her articles.
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I really liked this movie a lot. And after seeing it, a lot of the criticism just doesn't make much sense to me. The whole "it's superpowerful characters fighting each other" - yeah, but that's every superhero movie out there. Even with a hero like Batman who is vulnerable, there's still gonna be that over-dramatic fight with beating nobody should be able to take, and then a big conclusion. "Superman not being heroic" - well he can't really be in 3-4 places in the same time can he? A lot of people died, but he did save earth as a whole.
Yeah, I really liked this one.
Yeah he saved the earth, but he is also the reason it got greatly destroyed.
Read ANY Superman comic. Watch ANY Justice League cartoon. Superman is always the reason Earth almost gets destroyed because he lives on Earth and this is where his villains come to defeat him. No one ever complained in JLU when Braniac came and he and Superman literally leveled Metropolis in their battle. No one complained in The Death of Superman when he and Doomsday did the same. Or how about NO ONE playing Injustice: Gods Among Us on their 360 is worried about the people in buildings when they're destroying Metropolis. So why now all the hate?
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I really liked this movie a lot. And after seeing it, a lot of the criticism just doesn't make much sense to me. The whole "it's superpowerful characters fighting each other" - yeah, but that's every superhero movie out there. Even with a hero like Batman who is vulnerable, there's still gonna be that over-dramatic fight with beating nobody should be able to take, and then a big conclusion. "Superman not being heroic" - well he can't really be in 3-4 places in the same time can he? A lot of people died, but he did save earth as a whole.
Yeah, I really liked this one.
Yeah he saved the earth, but he is also the reason it got greatly destroyed.
Welcome to every superhero-movie that has a villain. :lol
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I really liked this movie a lot. And after seeing it, a lot of the criticism just doesn't make much sense to me. The whole "it's superpowerful characters fighting each other" - yeah, but that's every superhero movie out there. Even with a hero like Batman who is vulnerable, there's still gonna be that over-dramatic fight with beating nobody should be able to take, and then a big conclusion. "Superman not being heroic" - well he can't really be in 3-4 places in the same time can he? A lot of people died, but he did save earth as a whole.
Yeah, I really liked this one.
Yeah he saved the earth, but he is also the reason it got greatly destroyed.
Read ANY Superman comic. Watch ANY Justice League cartoon. Superman is always the reason Earth almost gets destroyed because he lives on Earth and this is where his villains come to defeat him. No one ever complained in JLU when Braniac came and he and Superman literally leveled Metropolis in their battle. No one complained in The Death of Superman when he and Doomsday did the same. Or how about NO ONE playing Injustice: Gods Among Us on their 360 is worried about the people in buildings when they're destroying Metropolis. So why now all the hate?
I ain't hatin? I'm just sayin. Sayin and hatin is two different things. Now if I was sayin I was hatin that would be another story.
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Yeah he saved the earth, but he is also the reason it got greatly destroyed.
Mild spoiler ahead.
In this version of the story, the Kryptons already knew all about Earth, as evidenced by that scout ship buried in the ice. So I believe that Earth would have eventually been threatened, converted to a new Krypton or even destroyed by Zod even if Superman was never sent there, as Krypton would have been destroyed either way, and once released, Zod started checking the scout ships on various planets anyway.
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By the way, I gave my honest summary of the film a few posts up this page. I am a HUGE fan of the superhero genre so I offered up my assessment as a fan.
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When I say no sense of wonder, I mean that it doesn't inspire people. The 1978 film made every kid want to tie a towel around his neck and go jumping off the roof. It gave kids that feeling of amazement, and like its tag line, it made you believe that a man could fly. This didn't have that. Except for the school bus scene, for which he was chastised by Pa, there were few scenes that made you sit back and say, "what a nice man" (like the old lady in the Superman II). It wouldn't take a master stroke to accomplish what I'm saying.
And the score was shit. Dull. Boring. I couldn't even him a single bar of it.
Gee...I wouldn't agree with that statement, I was 15 when it came out and thought it was good, but not great. Especially when we had Star Wars around the same time. I thought this one was VERY entertaining. I really liked the Krypton segments and Kryptonian psyche. The ONLY moment I thought "CHEESY!" was at the end, when after bouncing around the whole city with Zod, they end up right back where Louis was. Loved the world engine and whole idea of Kryptoforming ;)
In this day and age, where we get comic/superhero movies by the bushel load, they did a real good job with this one. The fight scenes were awesome, especially the Krypton battle segments. Off all the recent superhero movies, this one is hands down the best for me. It had grit, and very little "Cheese". I really liked the idea of the Kryptonian genetics, how you were pre-determined to be a warrior, or scientist. How Zod says that he has no control over what he is doing, how he was bred to do whatever it took to ensure the survival of Krypton, no matter the cost. The whole genetic aspect was well thought out I think. Being a HUGE sci-fi reader, I also liked the overall picture presented of Kryptonian society. Once stellar travelers, having spanned eons, just to go back home and pretty much go into societal decay or at least stagnation. Also, the lack of "Morality" was interesting. Like they had lost their ability for compassion, love or feeling, again indicative to me of a society in emotional decline.
Already I can't wait for the DVD, so I can dissect more and catch what I'm sure I missed.
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I knew this film would suffer from the virus of shaky close up fight scenes.
It's just all too common these days.
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Saw it yesterday and I must say, I expected it to be al lot worse. Any superhero movie that manages to grab me, however unbelievable at times, is worth its merits.
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I know a lot of people love the Marvel-movies, and I like them myself, but I feel like that appreciation is mostly towards the Iron-Man movies and Avengers. (I guess we're talking about the movies tied together, and not Spider-Man, X-Men and so on) I don't see how Man of Steel is worse than Thor, Captain America or The Incredible Hulk. Those movies were enjoyable, but I don't have any interest in rewatching them. Man of Steel however, excited to see it again when it comes out on DVD/BluRay.
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I saw The Avengers again last night for the first time since It came out and I still think it's great and far superior to Man Of Steel.
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Avengers is one of the better Marvel-movies though. I think it's great, mostly probably because they actually pulled it off (having that many heroes in one movie), but the whole endbattle is pretty underwhelming for me. Doesn't really help that they stole it out of Transformers 3 either.
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I know a lot of people love the Marvel-movies, and I like them myself, but I feel like that appreciation is mostly towards the Iron-Man movies and Avengers. (I guess we're talking about the movies tied together, and not Spider-Man, X-Men and so on) I don't see how Man of Steel is worse than Thor, Captain America or The Incredible Hulk. Those movies were enjoyable, but I don't have any interest in rewatching them. Man of Steel however, excited to see it again when it comes out on DVD/BluRay.
I would say the difference between MoS and Thor, Capt America, etc is that, to me, Superman and his core values are so distinct. If this exact movie was about another superhero, I don't think there was be this type of backlash and controversy. The fact that it is Superman and this version differs so much from previous versions is why so many people can't agree. Personally, I feel it lacked nearly all of the things that make Superman great, primarily heart.
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Personally, I feel it lacked nearly all of the things that make Superman great, primarily heart.
Wow, I'm amazed, I thought Superman displayed plenty of heart in this film.
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Avengers is one of the better Marvel-movies though. I think it's great, mostly probably because they actually pulled it off (having that many heroes in one movie), but the whole endbattle is pretty underwhelming for me. Doesn't really help that they stole it out of Transformers 3 either.
Thankfully i've never seen transformers 2,3 or 4.
I also thought Iron man 2 was really poor.
Never seen any Hulk film besides the Eric Bana one which was poor and nor Have I seen Thor or Captain America.
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Iron Man 3 was better -- but not better than the first one.
The Bana Hulk was a lame story, but I really like how Ang Lee shot the film to mimic comic book panels.
The Ed Norton Hulk was good, IMO. But I love Ed Norton and Tim Roth!
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Personally, I feel it lacked nearly all of the things that make Superman great, primarily heart.
Wow, I'm amazed, I thought Superman displayed plenty of heart in this film.
The parts that Snyder intentionally omitted from this version (I.e. Big Boy Scout) are the parts I missed the most. I never felt that protecting innocents was his primary focus.
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If DC's keeps it's Justice League franchise as strong as this movie they will absolutely crush Marvel's Avengers thing. Maybe not if you would count money, but if you look at how good the movies are. To me, Man of Steel is better than all of the Avengers movies, the first Iron Man being the best.
Man of Steel - 8.3/10 - Great
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If DC's keeps it's Justice League franchise as strong as this movie they will absolutely crush Marvel's Avengers thing. Maybe not if you would count money, but if you look at how good the movies are. To me, Man of Steel is better than all of the Avengers movies, the first Iron Man being the best.
Man of Steel - 8.3/10 - Great
Do you mean all 1 of the Avengers movies?
Man of Steel was heavy on action, light on a cohesive storyline. 6.5 out of 10
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Do you mean all 1 of the Avengers movies?
The movies featuring Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and the Hulk are considered part of the Avengers franchise. Since they're... well, the Avengers.
Whether or not you agree with this classification, it seems pretty obvious to me that this is what BlackInk meant.
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Not to mention they have 2 more planned... They're not out yet, but I think that he was comparing future tenses "Justice League" (which will no doubt have sequels if its successful) and "The Avengers" (1/2/3); and I'm inclined to agree. I enjoyed MoS more than The Avengers or any of the stories leading up to it with the exception of the first Iron Man, which has a special place in my heart and will not likely be dethroned anytime soon. That is, until they make the Doctor Strange movie...that could be 2 1/2 hours of orgasms.
I'm not sure how the storyline of MoS isn't 'cohesive', but to each his own; we all see things differently. But I found no plot holes and felt that the story, while at times light, was fleshed out enough for us to understand Kal-El and his origins, which was the main focus of this entry. A launching point, if you will. Surely successive movies will delve deeper into the mythos of Superman. I'm really excited for it.
I actually might go see this again tonight. It'll be empty since it's a Monday, and I'm really down for some Kryptonian wrestling.
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The problem with Narvel is that they're easy to campy and family friendly, even if very enjoyable.
On another note; I want more Hellboy movies and would love an Animal Man movie
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I dunno why, but when I read "Narvel" I IMMEDIATELY pictured a Tim and Eric episode of a Cinco-inspired superhero team fighting crime with supersoakers that spray some kind of pink goo and melt their opponents into molasses which is then used by the Cinco waffle mixer to make superhero waffle sauce.
More Hellboy movies is a good idea if they can make it original again. 2 was enjoyable, but aside from going gaga over the wonderful sets and costumes, I really didn't have much interest in the actual storyline and by the end of the movie it was all but a blur to me and I really couldn't have cared less. That said, I somehow still enjoyed it. Fun, but nothing more.
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Damnit phone :lol
More Hellboy movies like the first would be wonderful, the second was cool but like you said, a haze.
And Aquaman needs a movie as well
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I really want a Flash Movie. Why it hasn't got done yet is anyone's guess. When they miscast the Green Lantern with Ryan Reynolds, I said to my cousin that they should have used him for Wally West. He was better suited for that role.
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KING! I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING, KING! AND EVERYONE NAY-SAYED ME! I am so fucking glad that someone agrees with that point of view. He would be perfect for that role. It's a real shame. I have no doubt that one day a Flash movie will be created, but I'm wondering if it will flop like GL or if they'll get it right... But I've no doubt it'll at least be created someday in the further future. There's too much potential in that type of concept; a guy that is friggin' faster than Superman...that's just awesome.
But I would love it if they cast an unknown and focus on his character instead of his ability to move really fucking fast. He's such a funny, enjoyable character, but to sprinkle scenes of immense speed and ass-kicking here and there would make it a very marketable superhero movie. I'd imagine it almost like Hancock in that it's almost slapstick at times, but still very serious in the times he's using his powers.
P.S. We have officially fucked this thread into oblivion with the off-topicness. :lol :rollin
Perhaps we should make a full-on DC movie thread and a Marvel thread? Or *gasp* fuse them all into one superhero movie thread?
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I really want a Flash Movie. Why it hasn't got done yet is anyone's guess. When they miscast the Green Lantern with Ryan Reynolds, I said to my cousin that they should have used him for Wally West. He was better suited for that role.
Yes! That's what i've been saying.
And I would love to see an Aquaman movie. It could be a fantastic epic. Also, now that I think about it, since there was an Aquaman easter egg in Man of Steel, im starting to wonder that oil rig was under attack by Atlanteans!!
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I really want a Flash Movie. Why it hasn't got done yet is anyone's guess. When they miscast the Green Lantern with Ryan Reynolds, I said to my cousin that they should have used him for Wally West. He was better suited for that role.
THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Flash was/is my favorite in the DC universe. And I read back several years ago that Reynolds was actually on board to play Wally West in a movie that was very early in development. It obviously never panned out for whatever reason. However, now that Barry Allen is the Flash again in the comics, I guess the whole Wally West idea is out also (Wally was always my favorite Flash - and Barry Allen was awesome as the only superhero that stayed dead - he gave up his freaking life to save the entire universe!).
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The director of the Green Lantern also directed Goldeneye and Casino Royale.
Does he only have good movies when it's bond ?
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I liked both Zorro movies he directed.
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I liked both Zorro movies he directed.
His Mel Gibson movie was a flop too.
He's like Nick Meyer and Star Trek . The ones he directed are two of the best in the canon and they're also his biggest films too.
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I never saw it. Mel with a Boston accent?! Count me out. :lol
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I never saw it. Mel with a Boston accent?! Count me out. :lol
I really liked Edge of Darkness. It wasn't what I expected though. All drama, very little action. Still enjoyable.
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´Gordon´s Alive!´ ;)
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Do you mean all 1 of the Avengers movies?
The movies featuring Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and the Hulk are considered part of the Avengers franchise. Since they're... well, the Avengers.
Whether or not you agree with this classification, it seems pretty obvious to me that this is what BlackInk meant.
To you maybe. I honestly thought he was confused and meant to say Xmen. So...
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Thoughts on my fantasy casting choices for Justice League? With Henry Cavill obviously in Supes role....
Batman - Anson Mount
Wonder Woman - Bridget Regan
Flash (Wally) - Joel McHale
Green Lantern (John Stewart)- Michael Jai White
Aquaman - Garrett Hedlund
Green Arrow - Karl Urban
Martian Manhunter - Dennis Haysbert
Cyborg - John Boyega
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:rollin
Dear me - all those are The Justice League ?
That has turd written all over it.
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WHy? Because they aren't big named actors?
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I´m watching Watchmen (ultimate cut) at the moment. Talk about Violent!
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Thoughts on my fantasy casting choices for Justice League? With Henry Cavill obviously in Supes role....
Batman - Anson Mount
Wonder Woman - Bridget Regan
Flash (Wally) - Joel McHale
Green Lantern (John Stewart)- Michael Jai White
Aquaman - Garrett Hedlund
Green Arrow - Karl Urban
Martian Manhunter - Dennis Haysbert
Cyborg - John Boyega
I actually think they should do what Marvel did here and only focus on a small group of them in the first Justice League movie. I'd vote for Batman and Superman (obviously), Green Lantern (John Stewart), Martian Manhunter and Flash. Maybe Wonder Woman to get a woman in there but I have never really liked the concept of her, I may prefer Hawkgirl, she's more of a bad ass.
And Green Lantern must be John Stewart. I grew up watching the animated Justice League series so Green Lantern will always be this really cool black guy in my mind, not a goofy Ryan Reynolds Hal Jordan running around.
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Green Lantern must be John Stewart. I grew up watching the animated Justice League series so Green Lantern will always be this really cool black guy in my mind, not a goofy Ryan Reynolds Hal Jordan running around.
I'm the exact opposite. I grew up with Hal Jordan, and I also collected in the 90s with the newer white guy (forget his name). John Stewart is just weird to me.
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Green Lantern must be John Stewart. I grew up watching the animated Justice League series so Green Lantern will always be this really cool black guy in my mind, not a goofy Ryan Reynolds Hal Jordan running around.
I'm the exact opposite. I grew up with Hal Jordan, and I also collected in the 90s with the newer white guy (forget his name). John Stewart is just weird to me.
Agreed, Heff. Hal will always be Green Lantern to me.
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WHy? Because they aren't big named actors?
Sorry - not your actors list - just the characters in general. They sound like something out of a spoof.
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Kotowboy, you never heard of the Justice League?
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I always found DC characters to be a lot less realistic than Marvel characters
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I always found DC characters to be a lot less realistic than Marvel characters
Me too, although I always liked both sides.
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I always found DC characters to be a lot less realistic than Marvel characters
I've always found it to be the opposite.
My ranking goes DC>Dark Horse>Marvel
That being said I think all put out fantastic comics :)
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I always found DC characters to be a lot less realistic than Marvel characters
DC characters are more god-like than Marvel characters. Marvel has lots of sci/fi elements in which DC has more fantasy.
WHy? Because they aren't big named actors?
Sorry - not your actors list - just the characters in general. They sound like something out of a spoof.
Oh haha. I don't think they'll use all those characters in one Justice League movie. But those are some names I'd like to see attached to those characters...especially Anson Mount. He's(should be) the next Batman in my mind.
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With DC, I feel like they mix it up pretty well between Higher Powers and Scientific beginnings.
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Kotowboy, you never heard of the Justice League?
Not really no. I'm not a comic book / superhero guy.
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As a kid the Justice League was more popular then The Avengers. I loved both. The Justice league had a terrible kids cartoon in the 70's (I loved it as a 7 year old). You should rent the newer 4 season of The Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. you'd like the storyline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_%28TV_series%29
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Wasn't it called Justice League of America when we were growin up, King? And yeah, on Saturday morning cartoons, DC had much more presence. Spidey (and his Amazing Friends) was about it for Marvel.
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Wasn't it called Justice League of America when we were growin up, King? And yeah, on Saturday morning cartoons, DC had much more presence. Spidey (and his Amazing Friends) was about it for Marvel.
Yes, "of America". Definitely serious Saturday morning with a bowl of cereal action! :corn
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Nope. It was on right after Alphabet Soup.
5:30am was Captain Bob painting.
6am was Barbapapa
6:30am Was Alphabet Soup and
7am was the "Super Friends"
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If DC names the Justice League movie "Justice League of America" or something like that I will be seriously disappointed and honestly upset.
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If DC names the Justice League movie "Justice League of America" or something like that I will be seriously disappointed and honestly upset.
Why? Historically, that was the name of the group.
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Yes I know, I know, it's just how I'd feel. If they name it that it'll just feel like they're pissing unnecessary nationalism on the rest of us.
That was also my least favorite part of Man of Steel: "How do we know you won't turn on 'murica? You can fuck up the rest of the world all you want but don't you turn on the one country that matters".
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Yes I know, I know, it's just how I'd feel. If they name it that it'll just feel like they're pissing unnecessary nationalism on the rest of us.
That was also my least favorite part of Man of Steel: "How do we know you won't turn on 'murica? You can fuck up the rest of the world all you want but don't you turn on the one country that matters".
So members of the U.S. Military showing concern that Superman may turn on the U.S. doesn't make sense to you?
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When he is on American soil!! :lol
If he was in Russia, they'd ask the same thing!
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Just got back from seeing it and I thought it was incredible. Pretty much exactly what I wanted from a Superman movie.
And hot damn, that must be a world record for amount of people massacred and murder in a PG-13 movie. Damn.
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Yes I know it's something he'd probably say it just bothers me :lol
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Just got back from seeing it and I thought it was incredible. Pretty much exactly what I wanted from a Superman movie.
And hot damn, that must be a world record for amount of people massacred and murder in a PG-13 movie. Damn.
Naw. Independence Day blew up New York, LA, and Washington DC at ONCE. That's a death toll in the tens of millions right there. Roland Emmerich specializes in massive body count PG-13 movies-half the northern hemisphere getting iced over in Day After Tomorrow, just about the entire planet in 2013. Man of Steel isn't even in that league.
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So my cousin and I had a good conversation about this movie today. He's been a comic purist for a long time and I through him for a loop today and he agreed with me.
Most don't like when a character, such as Superman is not like the other movies. I explained to him that even the comic books every 10 years or so they change the characters to fit the times. Hell, Surperman had a mullet and had a black uniform. He then said, but this Superman killed Zod, that's not Superman! I then asked him, has Superman killed in the comic books before? He started to laugh, and said, "You know what? He did?" "I guess I just have this perception of Superman that I want or like!"
And he made my point to those who complain that it's not my Superman. It never was, Throughout the decades, Superman has always changed in the comic books. People just want their Superman from "Their" era.
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So my cousin and I had a good conversation about this movie today. He's been a comic purist for a long time and I through him for a loop today and he agreed with me.
Most don't like when a character, such as Superman is not like the other movies. I explained to him that even the comic books every 10 years or so they change the characters to fit the times. Hell, Surperman had a mullet and had a black uniform. He then said, but this Superman killed Zod, that's not Superman! I then asked him, has Superman killed i the comic books before? He started to laugh, and said, "You know what? He did?" "I guess I just have this perception of Superman that I want or like!"
And he made my point to those who complain that it's not my Superman. It never was, Throughout the decades, Superman has always changed in the comic books. People just want their Superman from "Their" era.
:tup
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So my cousin and I had a good conversation about this movie today. He's been a comic purist for a long time and I through him for a loop today and he agreed with me.
Most don't like when a character, such as Superman is not like the other movies. I explained to him that even the comic books every 10 years or so they change the characters to fit the times. Hell, Surperman had a mullet and had a black uniform. He then said, but this Superman killed Zod, that's not Superman! I then asked him, has Superman killed in the comic books before? He started to laugh, and said, "You know what? He did?" "I guess I just have this perception of Superman that I want or like!"
And he made my point to those who complain that it's not my Superman. It never was, Throughout the decades, Superman has always changed in the comic books. People just want their Superman from "Their" era.
That's true. Hell, I remember when John Byrne did his revamp of Superman in the mid-80s (beginning, ironically enough, with a 6-issue miniseries called Man of Steel), he depicted Superman as killing (ironically enough again) a group of Phantom Zone villains.
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I saw the movie yesterday and have had time to reflect. So here's my take.
All in all I thought the movie was ok. HAve to say though that it wasn't really what I'd hoped for from the trailers and from what had gone before ala Nolan's Batman.
I thought this version of Superman in isolation was a definate plus. The way that he had to learn to become Superman was a lot more present in the film rather than us seeing snippets of him growing up and the being the finished article. I thought the transition was a lot more apparant. Even to the point that he seemed like he was only just out of nappies (metaphorically speaking) when he starts getting his ass handed to him by Zod and his minions. But, I also feel that this is where the plot fell down for me.
Essentially, I feel they tried to tell too much of the story in this film. It felt disjointed and fragmented and jumped around a lot. A much more linear - this is what happened on Krypton - this is what happened to Zod - this is Soop as a boy - this is Soop learning to accept his true nature and grow in to it - this is Soop adapting to life as an adult - and this is Soop being Super - the end would have made me a happy bunny.
Zod coming to earth to teraform and tear soopy a new one could have been a sequal no sweat; but because they put this in the first film there wasn't much chance to see Soop being very super as he was constantly fighting foes that were on a level playing field with him. Not only that, but the people of earth ('muricka) would have rallied behind Soop as they would have recognised him as one of their own had he been already established as a an earthly citizen albeit a very different type of citizen.
I also am not in to the fact the Lois Lane knows who he is from the get go. It does make a lot more sense from the journalistic POV, but then this is supposed to be fantasy.
The fight scenes although spectacular did get a bit much. The action is fast and very close up and just becomes a wash of noise and flying debris. The best fight scene for me in a Superhero movie was Spideys with Doc oc atop the elevated train. That had everything and not a soul did perish.
I'd say it's worth a watch but I really hope that much of this is there to set up a great storyline in the sequal. Otherwise, it was just a bit too much story,too much fighting between guys that can't really hurt each other and too much jumping around with the timeline.
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Very well said. :)
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This was the best Dragon Ball Z live action movie ever made!
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Cavill's favorite Superman villain is my fav too; Doomsday. I really really want to see Doomsday in a live action Superman movie. Or they could put him in the Justice League movie and do that thing where he takes out the entire JL using only one of his arms.