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General => Archive => Political and Religious => Topic started by: ohgar on July 14, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
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Operating under the assumption that the Jews are a "race" (because there is more genetic evidence for the existence of a Jewish "race" than there is for a black "race"), I do not see how anyone could argue that Zionism is not racism. Zionism promotes the idea of a homeland for one specific race, ruled by one specific race and advancing the goals of one specific race. In most of the civilized world, phrases like "Britain for the Britons" are laughed at, but in Israel "Israel for the Jews" is a fundamental policy.
This, of course, speaks only to the theoretical implications of Zionism. In practice, it has displaced the Arab population of the land formerly known as Palestine, and even Arab Israelis are heavily discriminated against.
It is clear that, in theory and in practice, Zionism is a racist policy. So why do Jews get so upset when someone says Zionism is racism?
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If I am not mistaken zionism is called as "modern nationalism". I've read some articles about that and the root of this thought is to prevent jewry from assimilation but it turns out political vision more than a nationalism opinion. When this opinion is feed by political forces I think it's safe to call it as a racist policy but again, racism is not its purpose.
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Anything for the advancement of a given race over another, or the detriment of a given race over another, is 'racism.'
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Zionism can be racist for sure. However wanting a safe haven for Jews (especially after the holocaust) isn't racist, considering that every other country kicked us out and therefore couldn't be a safe haven.
But many Zionists who favor Jews above any other group are guilty of horrible prejudice. I do not consider myself a zionist and do not think Israel should be a strictly Jewish country (though I do think it needs a clause in its constitution that Jews can never be expelled as a group), yet I think it should be a secular country.
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I do not consider myself a zionist
Local Zionist
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I do not consider myself a zionist
Local Zionist
Yes, it was a joke added with the Palestinian flag.
Get it?
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I do not consider myself a zionist
Local Zionist
Yes, it was a joke added with the Palestinian flag.
Get it?
It's a Jewish conspiracy...
;)
Actually...what I really wanted to ask you (with 'tongue in cheek')... Is this where all those stupid asinine conspiracy theories that only Mel Gibson believe get started???
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Yes, BrotherH is responsible for all of the anti-jewish conspiracy theories.
About time someone figured it out.
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It's only racism when it involves whites. It's not racist when black people want a black president. Jews are mostly white so, yes, Zionism is mostly racism.
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It's only racism when it involves whites. It's not racist when black people want a black president. Jews are mostly white so, yes, Zionism is mostly racism.
:yeahright
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I will simply observe. My position essentially goes without saying.
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It's only racism when it involves whites. It's not racist when black people want a black president. Jews are mostly white so, yes, Zionism is mostly racism.
:yeahright
:yeahright :yeahright
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Zionism can be racist for sure. However wanting a safe haven for Jews (especially after the holocaust) isn't racist, considering that every other country kicked us out and therefore couldn't be a safe haven.
But many Zionists who favor Jews above any other group are guilty of horrible prejudice. I do not consider myself a zionist and do not think Israel should be a strictly Jewish country (though I do think it needs a clause in its constitution that Jews can never be expelled as a group), yet I think it should be a secular country.
Pretty much this. Well put.
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This thread prompted me to look up the religious spread in Israel. More muslims than I would have expected at 16.9% - the last time I read a statistic on this was over 10 years ago and it said roughly 11% muslim at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel
The religious affiliation of the Israeli population[vague] as of 2011 was 75.4% Jewish, 16.9% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.7% Druze, with the remaining 4.0% not classified by religion.[2]
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It's kinda interesting, since Jews' desire for a home state is happening at a time when the classic "home states" for other religions (Europe+US for Christianity, Middle East for Islam) are forced to redefine themselves on a secular basis because of their increasing diversity.
So, it's weird for Israel, and to my understanding it's a totally not-figured out issue, the tension between being a religious haven for a group, but also an international state that has to publicly act religion-agnostic.
rumborak
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I don't think Israel should've been created. But now that it's here, they and everybody else will have to work towards something that allows peaceful coexistence and human rights for everyone.