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General => Archive => Political and Religious => Topic started by: ReaPsTA on June 22, 2012, 08:23:24 PM
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Thank god. Can you imagine how civilization might have collapsed if he was found innocent?
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Believe me, I'm not even happy about this in a sense. Too afraid of him getting off.
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Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.
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Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.
that's why the "rot in prison" approach is so much better. I hope they put him in the same prison as murderers.
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Not a surprising verdict
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Good. Hope you like the gang rape, Jerry!
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Thought this thread was about Cedar Point. I'm disappointed.
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Thought this thread was about Cedar Point. I'm disappointed.
You are a lunatic! :lol
There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's how I felt about OJ. I've come to realize you just never know. Also, lest we forget Casey Anthony. I figured it was a slam dunk, Sandusky would be guilty, but one part of me had a twinge of doubt.
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I misread the thread title as Santorum and was all, "I knew something was wacky about that fellow."
That said, I'll happily echo your sentiments about this guy getting what he deserved.
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety. Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him. There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well. OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on. This guy had nada.
Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that. The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years. That's pretty silly. There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell. Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.
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I hear prison is an especially not-fun place for sex offenders.
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I hear prison is an especially not-fun place for sex offenders.
Good, he's definitely got what's coming to him.
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Also, its not that often that a guy gets sent to prison, where dropping the soap will be the thing he enjoys the most.
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety. Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him. There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well. OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on. This guy had nada.
Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that. The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years. That's pretty silly. There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell. Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.
You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
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I don't know for sure, but I remember hearing that they don't put child molesters in with the rest of the population. I hope I'm wrong.
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I had a friend who'd worked as a prison guard for a while, the federal pen in Jackson, Michigan, and he confirmed that yes, rapists and child molesters are bottom of the pecking order (ha!) in the big house. Within the morality of criminals, it's okay to steal if you need something, even kill someone who's messed with you or someone you know. But these guys inside have family, wives, kids on the outside, and they can't protect them. The last thing they need to worry about is some guy messing with their family. Oh, there's a new guy, and he's a baby-raper? This will be fun.
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I don't know for sure, but I remember hearing that they don't put child molesters in with the rest of the population.
Sadly, this is true. We can only hope that Sandusky lives a long life and rots in prison.
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I don't know for sure, but I remember hearing that they don't put child molesters in with the rest of the population.
Sadly, this is true. We can only hope that Sandusky lives a long life and rots in prison.
Yeah, but whatever. His freedom is gone. He will die with his sins in a jail cell. and he may get his no matter where they put him.
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Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.
that's why the "rot in prison" approach is so much better. I hope they put him in the same prison as murderers.
He'll spend his time in protective custody with the other high-profile inmates, skinners and diddlers. It won't be a picnic my any measure, but he'll be mostly safe and just spend the rest of his life eating prison chow and watching TV.
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Yay. There is no punishment sufficient for the damage he has caused in so many lives, not even death.
that's why the "rot in prison" approach is so much better. I hope they put him in the same prison as murderers.
He'll spend his time in protective custody with the other high-profile inmates, skinners and diddlers. It won't be a picnic my any measure, but he'll be mostly safe and just spend the rest of his life eating prison chow and watching TV.
I wish you would have added "fucked in the ass" to that list of things he'd be doing.
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety. Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him. There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well. OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on. This guy had nada.
Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that. The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years. That's pretty silly. There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell. Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.
You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate. Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions. Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it. An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal. With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me. The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender. Seeing the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted is a popular concept, as we're seeing in this thread, but it's not conducive to a civilized society. It's more of a relic from backwards-ass era that most of the time we're proud to be removed from.
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Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety. Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him. There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well. OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on. This guy had nada.
Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that. The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years. That's pretty silly. There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell. Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.
You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate. Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions. Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it. An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal. With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doespon't really matter to me. The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender. Seeing the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted is a popular concept, as we're seeing in this thread, but it's not conducive to a civilized society. It's more of a relic from backwards-ass era that most of the time we're proud to be removed from.
I'm guessing you never been sexually abused or rape. Me, I was really hoping the bastard be thrown in with general population so he could get his real punishment. His victims now can begin their healing.
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Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but no everyone wants everyone to know they do.
Which is fine. My low regard for humanity doesn't trouble me too much. What does annoy me is the hypocrisy of it all. People act with the smug arrogance of superiority while behaving like the animals they really are.
I'm guessing you never been sexually abused or rape. Me, I was really hoping the bastard be thrown in with general population so he could get his real punishment. His victims now can begin their healing.
Nope, never have. I do fine it interesting that you equate healing with vengeance, though.
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The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate. Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions. Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it. An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal. With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me. The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender.
Having been on the wrong side of the law a couple times, I partially agree with this. I have been through rehab/counseling, which helped me better myself, and I was removed from society for a (very short) time, to the (questionable) betterment of society. But I will also vouch for the effectiveness of a good swift kick in the ass as a way of getting a decent guy like myself to shape up and learn to better inhabit society.
That being said, people like Sandusky are a few miles outside of the town of Decent Guy. I agree the end goal in this case should be keeping him out of society (no point in rehabbing someone this far gone who will be locked up for life. But I wouldn't mind a healthy dose of ass-kicking in his case.
I wonder if he will ever come clean, and if he does, admit that what he did was wrong. Kinda curious what is swirling around in that deviant mind of his right now.
Now we need to see the PSU President and AD join him.
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Man, as if spending the rest of your life in jail isn't punishment enough :lol I would never wish prison rape on anyone.
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Call me a barbarian, but I would love to hear news that Sandusky got his teeth kicked in. If you molest little boys, you squarely deserve to wind up looking like The Elephant Man.
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Man, as if spending the rest of your life in jail isn't punishment enough :lol I would never wish prison rape on anyone.
You might if you knew he butt fucked your 10 year old son repeatedly.
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The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate. Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions. Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it. An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal. With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me. The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender.
Having been on the wrong side of the law a couple times, I partially agree with this. I have been through rehab/counseling, which helped me better myself, and I was removed from society for a (very short) time, to the (questionable) betterment of society. But I will also vouch for the effectiveness of a good swift kick in the ass as a way of getting a decent guy like myself to shape up and learn to better inhabit society.
That being said, people like Sandusky are a few miles outside of the town of Decent Guy. I agree the end goal in this case should be keeping him out of society (no point in rehabbing someone this far gone who will be locked up for life. But I wouldn't mind a healthy dose of ass-kicking in his case.
I wonder if he will ever come clean, and if he does, admit that what he did was wrong. Kinda curious what is swirling around in that deviant mind of his right now.
Now we need to see the PSU President and AD join him.
Agreed and correct with you both and your feelings. Yet the trend in society has been continued harsh treatment and punishment for most of all law offenders.
Certainly the debate is strong on your side Cool Chris. Sandusky is not a "normal" crime committer, and he is too old for any rehab and treatment to be worth a squat. The pending punishment for life fits the crime mostly.
Punishment and deep sentences should only apply to those who are determined a complete risk to recommit, which most often would be the most heinous murderers, sex offenders and home invaders. Rehab and treatment should definitely be more of focus, but popular opinion continues to be hard punishment and budgets for that versus therapists, psychologists/psychiatrists and etc. Bigger prisons and more prisons.
About Sandusky, glad to see him brought to justice. Although the men who are victims will be scarred for life, I do hope seeing the man face his horrible crimes offer some feelings of help.
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Given the direction this thread is already taking, I'm moving it to P/R.
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If I felt that rehabilitation were an option I wouldn't have thrown out the honorable suicide option. He's too far gone for anything except running out the clock in prison and I'm perfectly cool with that. I'm also down with prison being a lousy place; that's the unintended byproduct I referred to earlier. There should be a deterring element. Where I'm troubled is the commonplace notion that he should be made to suffer by all of these people to whom he has done no harm. To me, wanting to see somebody suffer, even a rotten POS like Sandusky, is not cool. I'd be more tolerant of such a position by his victims, but in situations like this you always see unrelated parties rejoicing at his misery. Not cool.
It's vengeance by proxy. It actually strikes me as about on par with those assholes who were bullied in high school and go on to be cops so they can be the ones pushing people around.
Given the direction this thread is already taking, I'm moving it to P/R.
Good call.
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It had a good run in the general board.
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There was zero chance of that happening. This was as sure of a thing as court cases get.
That's what they say before any big time case where the guy gets off.
Not even remotely possible because of his notoriety. Any other person could claim SOGDI, but not him. There was the possibility that all of the witnesses were grubbing for cash, but given the number of them that was highly improbable as well. OJ and Casey Anthony had hooks a jury could hang an acquittal on. This guy had nada.
Of course I'm opposed to capital punishment, but I think we as a society should be more encouraging of convict suicide, and this is a fine example of that. The sheriff's and corrections departments will go to great measures to make sure he doesn't kill himself before they get to lock him up for sixty years. That's pretty silly. There's really no reason they shouldn't give him the Franky Pentangeli speech and inadvertently leave a 500 ct bottle of Tylenol in his cell. Better for all parties, except for a few people with misguided notions on justice or decency.
You don't think that would be letting him off too easy?
The role of the penal system is a matter of much debate. Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are the three popular notions. Myself, I don't think punishment should be a part of it. An unintentional byproduct, perhaps, but not the end goal. With that in mind, "letting him off too easy" doesn't really matter to me. The goal of imprisonment should be the betterment of society, not the misery of the offender. Seeing the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted is a popular concept, as we're seeing in this thread, but it's not conducive to a civilized society. It's more of a relic from backwards-ass era that most of the time we're proud to be removed from.
Interesting, you have made me reconsider my stance on the issue. I initially thought of it as 'you get what you deserve', but then again, who are we to decide what he deserves for his crimes? I've always been one opposed to the death penalty, and perhaps this is a lot more similar to that then I would have initially admitted. However, with that being said, I in no way want to see 'the guy treated with the same barbarism that he inflicted'. Personally, I'm with Antigoon on this one, and also don't equate a life in prison to the same kind of barbarism that led Sandusky to molest all those little boys.
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I agree wholeheartedly with El Barto. All of these calls for barbarous treatment of Sandusky in prison are unpleasant and disappointing to read.
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I too have found El Barto's post quite enlightening. Rehabilitation, sequestration, and punishment are three very different things.
Personally, I'm among those who feel that the most important thing is that people who have proven that they cannot function normally within society (that is, they harm others) should be removed from it. Not necessarily killed, just put away for the general good. But I have to admit, sometimes when I hear about people who've done particularly heinous things, part of me hopes that something bad will happen to them. Maybe that's "uncivilized" but I think it's also human nature. I'm not against the death penalty, if there's some way to know with 100% certainty that someone is guilty.
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Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.
Correction: this society isn't civilized.
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We don't send people to prison FOR punishment, we send them to prison AS punishment.
I have zero sympathy for this fucking oxygen thief, but I don't believe two wrongs ever make a right.
You cannot comprehend what being institutionalized is like unless you've experienced it, and take it from someone who has more experience with institutionalization than anyone else currently reading this, it's humiliating, demoralizing and completely spirit crushing. Especially for someone who is going to be doing his time at the lowest level of prison society there is. Rapists are outcasts in prison. Always in danger, living their lives in fear that at any moment someone (even a staff member) could do them serious bodily harm.
His life is over now. As far as I am concerned that's retribution enough.
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Sandusky being in prison and getting his teeth knocked in or getting raped or whatever doesn't give those kids back what he took from them. They are damaged forever - hopefully with some therapy and other resources they can get back to some semblance of normality.
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Man, as if spending the rest of your life in jail isn't punishment enough :lol I would never wish prison rape on anyone.
You might if you knew he butt fucked your 10 year old son repeatedly.
Maybe, but thankfully I wouldn't be in charge of punishment.
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Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.
Correction: this society isn't civilized.
Which one is?
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Society isn't civilized, Barto. That's just a lie we are brought up to believe. Most folks would gleefully cheer his demise even it they did it privately. Its like watching porn. Everyone does it, but not everyone wants everyone to know they do.
Correction: this society isn't civilized.
Which one is?
Reptilians from Andromeda.
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I'm glad he is guilty and I'm glad that a jury of mostly psu people convicted him. I don't really care what happens to him as long as I don't have to hear about him or see him on TV anymore.
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I'll tell you what REALLY pisses me off about people like Sandusky is when they end up making a metric shit-ton of money off their story. That kind of shit needs to stop. Hopefully no one will pay this scumbag to write a book.
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What was the deal with Casey Anthony? She's not allowed to write or sell her story is she?
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure a judge preemptively ruled that if she did get involved in any kind of story about her life and the death of her daughter that she could not profit from it in any way.
As much as I think it sucks that people sometimes profit from these things, I'm not so sure how I feel about the courts restricting your rights when you haven't been convicted of anything.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure a judge preemptively ruled that if she did get involved in any kind of story about her life and the death of her daughter that she could not profit from it in any way.
As much as I think it sucks that people sometimes profit from these things, I'm not so sure how I feel about the courts restricting your rights when you haven't been convicted of anything.
I agree. I'm not honestly sure how a judge can prohibit her from selling book/movie rights to her story since she was acquitted. In Sandusky's case, I'm sure the eventual civil suits will take care of any proceeds he might make, although I'm not sure who's going to want to read his book.
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Casey Anthony wasn't completely acquired. I believe she was still convicted of a smaller crime (I want to say not giving evidence to police or something) so maybe that's how she was given that ruling.
While I certainly don't want Sandusky to make any money, I do want to hear the truth from him.
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You won't hear the truth from him, or anything anyone can verify as the truth. You can only get his version of events.
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Casey Anthony wasn't completely acquired. I believe she was still convicted of a smaller crime (I want to say not giving evidence to police or something) so maybe that's how she was given that ruling.
While I certainly don't want Sandusky to make any money, I do want to hear the truth from him.
Yeah, that's true, she was convicted of "giving false information" but I still think it's an overreach of the law to preemptively prevent her from writing a book and profiting from that book. That's a pretty slippery slope
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You won't hear the truth from him, or anything anyone can verify as the truth. You can only get his version of events.
Am I wrong when I say it seems like convicted pedophiles never appear to repent/tell the truth? It seems like they never admit they actually did something wrong.
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You won't hear the truth from him, or anything anyone can verify as the truth. You can only get his version of events.
Am I wrong when I say it seems like convicted pedophiles never appear to repent/tell the truth? It seems like they never admit they actually did something wrong.
No, you are absolutely right, because a true pedophile does not believe that they have done anything wrong.
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I don't know about that. I would think that some would just realize they are, in the eyes of many inside and outside the joint, the lowest of the low. If you murder someone, you could at least spin it as the other guy was stealing from you, sleeping with your wife, etc…
Unless you are a woman, and become a bit of a cause celebre, and get to appear on Oprah. But Vili claims he wasn’t a ‘victim’ so it’s all good.
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Interestingly, those whacky kids have now beaten the average, having been married seven years and a couple of months. I'm real curious to see how it goes, but I'd put my money on still married many years from now.
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Vili was livin the dream.
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I don't know about that. I would think that some would just realize they are, in the eyes of many inside and outside the joint, the lowest of the low. If you murder someone, you could at least spin it as the other guy was stealing from you, sleeping with your wife, etc…
Well, again, I speak from the experience of having spent close to two decades living among some of these people. Many of them DO eventually make it in the general population. It takes years, but it does happen. Their cases fade over time and their faces are eventually forgotten and they are quietly placed in an area where there are others like them. In the medium security places, where there are more privileges that the cons can earn, the likelihood of them being attacked is greatly diminished. Many of them survive very long stretches living among other cons, even though they are social outcasts in there, they are left alone because no one wants to end up getting lugged to the hole and sent back to max or supermax for beating up a diddler.
Oh, sure, they realize they are the lowest of the low in prison society. They know their place. And they stay in their place. They are the last in line for everything. Last in line for chow, last in line at the commissary, last in line to see the doctor, etc.....they are ridiculed and ostracized, but they usually find compatriots in others who have their problem (pedophilia) and they tend to stick together in tight-knit little groups, kinda like Antelopes stick together in herds in the wild, because there is strength and perceived safety in numbers. Most of them are compelled to take part in groups and counseling, because the sad reality is, most of them are going to be getting out of the joint some day, and the vast majority of them re-offend. Recidivism rates among pedophiles are among the highest of all offenders. A big part of it is their denial that they have a problem or have done anything wrong.
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NAMBLA
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^Quote fail, but yeah, exactly.
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Most striking about these big cases in the US; people cheering outside court rooms... ugh.