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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Buddyhunter1 on June 20, 2012, 10:00:08 AM
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Are there some things you keep hearing in music that just annoy or bother you? Post them here!
I'll start things off.
."Hidden Tracks" - Oh look, there's ten minutes of silence after this song. Gee, I wonder if there's something at the end of it. Time to go edit off the last ten minutes of the song so I can actually listen to it in a playlist. Seriously, these things should have died when vinyls stopped being the norm.
.Bands where 95% of the vocals are harmonies. I'm looking at you, Yes.
.Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, I.E. Great Gig In The Sky and Through Her Eyes.
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Don't agree with the last two, but the hidden track thing?
I was so convinced that Racecar by Periphery was going to be one of those things that the song was twelve minutes old before I realized "holy shit, this is actually a LONG song." (I had downloaded it to give the band a try, and so didn't have the lyrics, which, once I got the CD a couple weeks later, made it obvious how long Racecar was.) I never understood the appeal of hiding the last track behind 10 minutes of silence.
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Agree on first one (bothers me most on Opeth's Deliverance, although I just fast forward), disagree vehemently on third. Also disagree on second point that Yes uses that much harmony (I realize 95% is an exaggeration). Regardless, harmonies are awesome -- i.e., Moon Safari, Queen, Yes, Os Cariocas etc.
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Songs with parenthetical titles. Not sure why, but always looks silly to me.
An egregious example:
(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!)
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The two beats of silence before the chorus. You know what I'm talking about.
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.Bands where 95% of the vocals are harmonies. I'm looking at you, Yes.
.Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, I.E. Great Gig In The Sky and Through Her Eyes.
Come on, man.
Come on.
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Rhyming fire with desire, this is mostly an annoying metal thing.
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Sort of along the lines of Adami's: rhyming walk with talk.
UGGHHH!!!!!!
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.Bands where 95% of the vocals are harmonies. I'm looking at you, Yes.
.Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, I.E. Great Gig In The Sky and Through Her Eyes.
Come on, man.
Come on.
No kidding.
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I don't mind hidden tracks too much, when Exodus did it on Exhibit A, it was totally worth the 12 minutes of silence when a banjo version of Bonded In Blood started playing, it was great.
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Gotta say, sometimes the gospel vocals detract from the song, but in those two examples, I personally love the vocals, especially Great Gig, and also I love harmonies.
I'm trying to think of something I hate in songs composition-wise.
To be honest, I can't really think of something, as there are always times when I think that the same thing that usually I'd hear something and rage about works really well.
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I fucking hate when in house mixes when there's a massive buildup leading into a low-key cool down beat. Blue balls, every time.
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I hate the fact that In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3 has the most pointless hidden tracks.
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Great Gig in the Sky is a perfect example of gospel type vox done right IMO.
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The 2nd and 3rd examples in the OP are absolutely terrible, but I absolutely agree about hidden tracks; they are stupid and annoying, and not at all clever anymore (if they ever even were at all).
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I think storm noises are overused these days in songs.
Looking at you, every metal band.
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If it is not dubstep, it sucks.
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If it is not dubstep, it sucks.
Wrong thread.
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Bands who get 8 and 7 string guitars and then proceed to only use the top 3 (7 string) or 4 (8 strings) strings of their guitar. You get an extended range guitar to have an extended range in addition to the normal range of the guitar. Fucking use it.
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Also, I hate how with some music theory terms, I can't find any evidence that they actually exist. The term alide or an allision, when a melody or phrase ends on the same note/beat that a new melody or phrase begins. I'm not sure if that's how to spell it, but I can't even find evidence that it's a real word anywhere on the internet.
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Also, I hate how with some music theory terms, I can't find any evidence that they actually exist. The term alide or an allision, when a melody or phrase ends on the same note/beat that a new melody or phrase begins. I'm not sure if that's how to spell it, but I can't even find evidence that it's a real word anywhere on the internet.
Seems kinda ritarded.
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Also, I hate how with some music theory terms, I can't find any evidence that they actually exist. The term alide or an allision, when a melody or phrase ends on the same note/beat that a new melody or phrase begins. I'm not sure if that's how to spell it, but I can't even find evidence that it's a real word anywhere on the internet.
Seems kinda ritarded.
I know. What am I supposed to bass my spelling on?
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Obvious rhymes. In spanish for example, rhyme "Cariño" with "Niño" just grinds my gears.
Another example is Megadeth's chorus of the song FastLane. YES DAVE, WE KNOW THAT LANE RHYMES WITH PLANE AND TRAIN, WE DID THAT SHIT IN THE THREE WORD STORY THREAD KIND OF A YEAR BEFORE YOU DAMMIT
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When people complain about obvious rhymes, but then don't post better examples.
Better yet: when people complain about obvious rhymes.
Who cares?
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Guitar solos that essentially just repeat the vocal melody. It occasionally works for me, but very, very rarely.
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I have a foobar skip silence plugin which skips right past silence to hidden tracks.
What do you guys think about pre-tracks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hidden_in_the_pregap
The Protest the Hero - Fortress one is really awesome.
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Growls/Screams that are constant through a song as in a lead singer. Opeth has a great ballance of growls and singing but bands that growl through the whole song I just can't listen to.
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The Hidden Track thing is bullshit. If the track's worthy for the disc, then don't hide it, if it's not worthy than don't put it on the disc.
And if you really want to put it on the disc then do it as a separate track at the end and don't mention it in the booklet, then it's still hidden, but you don't have to endure the silence gap.
Another thing is re-releases with bonus songs like demos or live versions on the same disc. I don't mind the extras but I'd rather have them on a separate disc, otherwise they disturb the mood and flow of the original album.
And I really don't like background vocals that sound like a whole stadium is shouting. Def Leppard, I'm looking at you.
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Heres two:
1. When a song uses another song's melody, riff, or vocal line as it's central focus. It works sometimes, but rarely (I admit, though, when it works, it really works well). Pop artists get sneaky about it and use 50's/60's obscure songs that nobody listening to their music would know. A couple of examples are "I'll be watching you" by The Police and "I'll be missing you" by Puff Diddy or there's also Sir-Mix-Alot's "Jump on It" who sampled Sugarhill Gang's "Apache" who covered "Apache" by The Shadows (Since this last one is somewhat of a cover, it doesn't bother me as much)
2. When artists use cliche' catch phrases as their chorus or focus. Country music does this all the time. The most recent example I can think of is that song by Kelly Clarkson with the lyrics "Whatever Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger"... gag me with a spoon. I hope the inventor of that catchphrase is final happy that it's making millions of dollars. I'd sue.
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That'll be " Every Breath You Take " by The Police :)
And yeah the Poof Daddy version was absolute shit.
I have loads of musical pet peeves but they're mostly based arounds bands that adhere to trends in music.
Such as wearing skintight black jeans or have just-got-out-of-bed hair.
Every indie band playing only rickenbacker basses and really old shitty 60's no-name guitars
Every drummer only using one crash cymbal and they all have a different excuse for why they're just jumpin on the bandwagon.
Basically just stuff like that.
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^Songs where the song essentially just steals another song and changes the lyrics. Just shows an artist not creative enough to write their own hit single.
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When a song fades out when there's a recorded, definitive ending!!! AHHHHHH! Irks me so bad... and yes, I'm talking about RUSH.
Between The Wheels
Mystic Rhythms
Leave That Thing Alone!
Spindrift
and I think there's one or two more in there... I mean...what?! WHY! Just keep it at full volume to the end. I can understand fading out if there's no real ending (i.e. a ride-out or a vamp), but if there's a perfectly GOOD ending, just let us hear it!
I also have a TINY pet peeve about fade outs in general, because if a song is recorded with the intention of possibly being played live, the ending will just have to be made anyway. I guess I just have a sense of satisfaction when a song definitively ends and isn't faded out with a repeated riff or groove. This is why I like live versions of some songs - REAL ENDINGS!
-Marc.
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Yeah, fade-outs kinda bother me too. Sometimes they're done well but most of the time they just seem like the band has no idea how to write endings to songs.
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When people complain about obvious rhymes, but then don't post better examples.
Better yet: when people complain about obvious rhymes.
Who cares?
Real and Feel.
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When people complain about obvious rhymes, but then don't post better examples.
Better yet: when people complain about obvious rhymes.
Who cares?
Real and Feel.
How is that better than plane and train?
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Vocals by children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkDbM9sBqY
>:(
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It bothers me when a shorter song is placed between two longer songs. An obvious example is Pull Me Under > Another Day > Take the Time.
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Yeah, fade-outs kinda bother me too. Sometimes they're done well but most of the time they just seem like the band has no idea how to write endings to songs.
So much this. I listen to many songs despite this, but they would be better with it, in 99& of the cases.
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When a song fades out when there's a recorded, definitive ending!!! AHHHHHH! Irks me so bad... and yes, I'm talking about RUSH.
The Outlaw Torn by Metallica actually had a recorded ending but it wouldn't fit on the CD so they had no choice but to fade it out.
They even released the full version as a B side later on.
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Vocals by children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkDbM9sBqY
>:(
Oh . God . THIS .
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Every indie band playing only rickenbacker basses and really old shitty 60's no-name guitars
Okay your other points don't both me at all but Rickenbacker basses are awesome. Just ask Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, and Scott Pilgrim. And I don't know what indie bands you've been seeing, but more than plenty of them play with Gibsons and Fenders. :P
I think my biggest musical pet peeve is the point about lifting a popular riff/melody and changing the words. That "Live Your Life" song had better be paying royalties to that Romanian band who wrote "Dragosta in Tei" (aka the Numa Numa song). I'm kind of hypocritical with that pet peeve though, because sometimes sampling and mashups can be really really cool. :P So...yeah.
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Every indie band playing only rickenbacker basses and really old shitty 60's no-name guitars
Okay your other points don't both me at all but Rickenbacker basses are awesome. Just ask Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, and Scott Pilgrim. And I don't know what indie bands you've been seeing, but more than plenty of them play with Gibsons and Fenders. :P
I think my biggest musical pet peeve is the point about lifting a popular riff/melody and changing the words. That "Live Your Life" song had better be paying royalties to that Romanian band who wrote "Dragosta in Tei" (aka the Numa Numa song). I'm kind of hypocritical with that pet peeve though, because sometimes sampling and mashups can be really really cool. :P So...yeah.
Yeah. Holy shit. You want a certain sound you get a certain instrument. Wow.
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Every indie band playing only rickenbacker basses and really old shitty 60's no-name guitars
Okay your other points don't both me at all but Rickenbacker basses are awesome. Just ask Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, and Scott Pilgrim. And I don't know what indie bands you've been seeing, but more than plenty of them play with Gibsons and Fenders. :P
I think my biggest musical pet peeve is the point about lifting a popular riff/melody and changing the words. That "Live Your Life" song had better be paying royalties to that Romanian band who wrote "Dragosta in Tei" (aka the Numa Numa song). I'm kind of hypocritical with that pet peeve though, because sometimes sampling and mashups can be really really cool. :P So...yeah.
It's not Rickenbacker basses per se . It's every band using them Because every band uses them. I can't stand trends as it is but when all bands sound and look the same that really annoys me as someone who tries to go against trends and fashions unless it's something that I actually choose out of preference...
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Vocals by children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkDbM9sBqY
>:(
Oh . God . THIS .
https://youtu.be/35yl45mMnHI
I OWN EVERY KIDZ BOP ALBUM AND I AM NOT ASHAMED
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Every indie band playing only rickenbacker basses and really old shitty 60's no-name guitars
Okay your other points don't both me at all but Rickenbacker basses are awesome. Just ask Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, and Scott Pilgrim. And I don't know what indie bands you've been seeing, but more than plenty of them play with Gibsons and Fenders. :P
I think my biggest musical pet peeve is the point about lifting a popular riff/melody and changing the words. That "Live Your Life" song had better be paying royalties to that Romanian band who wrote "Dragosta in Tei" (aka the Numa Numa song). I'm kind of hypocritical with that pet peeve though, because sometimes sampling and mashups can be really really cool. :P So...yeah.
It's not Rickenbacker basses per se . It's every band using them Because every band uses them. I can't stand trends as it is but when all bands sound and look the same that really annoys me as someone who tries to go against trends and fashions unless it's something that I actually choose out of preference...
Exactly what bands use them? I'm not a huge indie fan or anything but they never struck me as being common enough to be a trend.
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When really popular chord progressions are used. Especially when an artists uses it multiple times. A good example is G, G/F#, Em7, Dsus4, Cadd9, D. Or the Canon chord progression. Oh, and I IV V. Fucking pisses me off that people can sell music witch such lack of creativity. Whenever I sit down and write music, I come up with some chords that aren't based on some popular chord structure or another song.
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Gaspar, your post made me think of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I).
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There's a lot more to a good song than the chord structure.
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There's a lot more to a good song than the chord structure.
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True, but certain chord structures have been used to death, which eliminates any interest whatsoever I would have had in most songs that use it, because it simply sounds generic.
Of course, that's not always true - if there is a good rock song using these chords, sure, but most of these songs are pop songs anyway, so they sound kind-of samey. That, coupled with my dislike of most pop songs, is enough to make many of these songs very unattractive to me.
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There's a lot more to a good song than the chord structure.
Yes. I never said it made the song bad, but it could it way better with an original chord structure (which is subjective, but for me I generally like songs with as much originality as possible).
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Original seems like a painfully broad description. The synthesis of the elements that make up a song are far more interesting to me than just chord structures, which are minor parts of songs to begin with.
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Original seems like a painfully broad description. The synthesis of the elements that make up a song are far more interesting to me than just chord structures, which are minor parts of songs to begin with.
What bothers me the most about the use of those chords is that the songs are generally pretty basic and boring, ie. acoustic guitar playing the chords, bass guitar playing the roots, standard rock beat, and the chords following the same amount of beats as most other songs with the same chord structure. Should've made that more clear. If they had more interesting melodies, harmonies, rhythms etc. to go with it, it wouldn't really bother me, but when they take the structure and use it the same way many artists already have, it makes me want to shoot myself.
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When really popular chord progressions are used. Especially when an artists uses it multiple times. A good example is G, G/F#, Em7, Dsus4, Cadd9, D. Or the Canon chord progression. Oh, and I IV V. Fucking pisses me off that people can sell music witch such lack of creativity. Whenever I sit down and write music, I come up with some chords that aren't based on some popular chord structure or another song.
I love inventing new chords and all that but I do love the song Whatever by Oasis which uses the exact progression you mentioned. It's how well you use it too.
But Yeah - I IV V is the oldest progression ever :P
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Using the word baby in the lyrics
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"Whatever Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger"... gag me with a spoon. I hope the inventor of that catchphrase is final happy that it's making millions of dollars. I'd sue.
I doubt it. He's been dead for a while (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche).
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Bands that dress for their genre.
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"Whatever Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger"... gag me with a spoon. I hope the inventor of that catchphrase is final happy that it's making millions of dollars. I'd sue.
I doubt it. He's been dead for a while (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche).
Ahh. I was being facetious, but I had a feeling somebody on this forum would know who it is and point it out.
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Vocals by children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkDbM9sBqY
>:(
Ah, that's a big one.
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Vocals by children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkDbM9sBqY
>:(
I have that song set to end right before the terrible child vocals... always surprises me now to hear how it actually ends :lol
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It works in Duel With the Devil by TA, but it's always been awful everywhere else.
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I don't really see a problem with it intrinsically. It's fine in Degausser by Brand New and Dirty Harry by Gorillaz.
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Bands that have a bad singer who only sings. If your only contribution to your band is vocals and you suck at them you shouldn't be in any kind of band whatsoever. For that matter, if you suck at whatever your contribution to your band is you shouldn't be in a band but I find it way worse when someone who only sings does it. My reasoning is that vocals are something we're at least trained in from birth in some small way since we have our voice available to us at all times and begin singing along with songs recreationally from a very young age so it ain't like some 15-year old picking up a guitar for the first time and struggling to even fret an E minor chord.
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It works in Duel With the Devil by TA, but it's always been awful everywhere else.
I'm pretty sure those vocals are done by women, as seen on the making-of the album video "Building The Bridge" - Neal conducts a choir of ladies doing the "Motherless Children" vocals for the end of "Duel With The Devil".
-Marc.
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Some things that comes to mind:
*Fast/Technical/Wanky solos. A bit ironic seeing how I loved DT a few years ago, but I guess the table turned. I can appreciate a good solo, but it's very off putting for me when it's all about displaying technical skill. Or cramming a solo in there just for the sake of it. I don't like the idea of having a guitar solo, followed by a keyboard solo (and then maybe another instrumental part) and suddenly you have 4-5 minutes of instrumental stuff that doesn't fit into the song at all. In terms of solo's I much prefer feel and passion over playing fast. (and before someone tries to argue that fast solos can have passion, I didn't say that they couldn't)
*Hidden tracks. Like pointed out earlier, it just bothers me when there's a 20 minute song that has 4-5 minutes of music in the beginning, and then 30 seconds of mumbling at the end. I don't really come across many of these, but the few ones I know are slightly annoying. Luckily it's always on the last track, so I can always stop after the real song is finished.
*Long songs for the sake of being long. This is semi-related to my first point, but a very common part for some Progressive bands. I can appreciate a good long song, but I think the length has to be justified. There are loads of long songs where I feel that the original sound or idea gets lost along the way, and that the final product isn't that interesting.
A few bad examples that comes to mind: The Ministry of Lost Souls by DT, and Celestial Elixir by Haken. I'm not saying that these are bad songs (and it's fine if other people like them), but for me they are both very long songs, and very scattered. I've heard both several times but can't seem to recall exactly how they sound, maybe a section here or there, but somewhere along the way I feel like they get out of hand, and loose focus.
On the contrary I think two good examples would be Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence by DT and Raider II by Steven Wilson. The first to show that I think DT can write good stuff as well, in this case I think despite the long length it holds up very well. There are recurring themes but the individual songs are just as interesting as the whole thing. (if you count it as a song or a song-cycle is another question), and as for Raider II, I think it's a song that follows a red thread without becoming repetitive.
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I guess this sort of fits . . .
Crowds that can't clap in time with the music. See "The Drapery Falls" from the Royal Albert Hall show. Most of the time when this happens, the clapping gets faster than the actual beat.
The corollary to this is crowds counting down with the clock at sporting events, particularly if it has a decimal. When the clock reads 9.9, that does not mean there is nine seconds left. The crowd gets to "zero" at 0.9 and there is practically a full second left on the clock.
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Opeth fans should be banned from clapping.
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Some things that comes to mind:
*Fast/Technical/Wanky solos. A bit ironic seeing how I loved DT a few years ago, but I guess the table turned. I can appreciate a good solo, but it's very off putting for me when it's all about displaying technical skill. Or cramming a solo in there just for the sake of it. I don't like the idea of having a guitar solo, followed by a keyboard solo (and then maybe another instrumental part) and suddenly you have 4-5 minutes of instrumental stuff that doesn't fit into the song at all. In terms of solo's I much prefer feel and passion over playing fast. (and before someone tries to argue that fast solos can have passion, I didn't say that they couldn't)
I can definitely see that you feel that way, and I do in some way too.
Solo's have to breathe too. I actually think most JP's solos are good in this regard, he allows some air for breathing. JR doesn't always though, he gets too carried away very often.
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*Long songs for the sake of being long. This is semi-related to my first point, but a very common part for some Progressive bands. I can appreciate a good long song, but I think the length has to be justified. There are loads of long songs where I feel that the original sound or idea gets lost along the way, and that the final product isn't that interesting.
A few bad examples that comes to mind: The Ministry of Lost Souls by DT, and Celestial Elixir by Haken. I'm not saying that these are bad songs (and it's fine if other people like them), but for me they are both very long songs, and very scattered. I've heard both several times but can't seem to recall exactly how they sound, maybe a section here or there, but somewhere along the way I feel like they get out of hand, and loose focus.
Celestial Elixir and MOLS are really just your basic intro-verse-chorus-verse-chrous-instrumental section-verse-chorus-end. What's scattered about them?
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Instrumental sections being way over the top and the song loosing it's focus. :P
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Well I made an edit of CE where I removed the circus bits, but even with the extra two minutes, I don't think the focus is lost, but hey I love instrumental sections.
I wish I liked Outcry more though.
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Music written for a genre bugs me. Like a country song that tries to throw all the elements of the country genre together at once just for the sake of it.
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Are there some things you keep hearing in music that just annoy or bother you? Post them here!
I'll start things off.
.Bands where 95% of the vocals are harmonies. I'm looking at you, Yes.
.Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, I.E. Great Gig In The Sky and Through Her Eyes.
What did music ever do to you, that you should hate it so?
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Over-using pinch harmonics. I've been trying to acquire an appreciation for Lamb of God lately, and there's an awful lot of them. I don't get it -- my guess is that they appear with such frequency in metalcore-type stuff because Dimebag Darrell did it constantly, and so now it's just been inherited as a convention of the style.
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Are there some things you keep hearing in music that just annoy or bother you? Post them here!
I'll start things off.
.Bands where 95% of the vocals are harmonies. I'm looking at you, Yes.
.Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, I.E. Great Gig In The Sky and Through Her Eyes.
What did music ever do to you, that you should hate it so?
It molested my entire family with a cactus covered in sandpaper while I watched before it dismembered them all with a toothpick and anally raped me with their limbs, causing me to have a few personal opinions about certain musical styles and elements that I just don't like all that much for whatever reason.
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That's the precursor to the majority of threads in this subforum.
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Are there some things you keep hearing in music that just annoy or bother you? Post them here!
I'll start things off.
.Bands where 95% of the vocals are harmonies. I'm looking at you, Yes.
.Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, I.E. Great Gig In The Sky and Through Her Eyes.
What did music ever do to you, that you should hate it so?
It molested my entire family with a cactus covered in sandpaper while I watched before it dismembered them all with a toothpick and anally raped me with their limbs, causing me to have a few personal opinions about certain musical styles and elements that I just don't like all that much for whatever reason.
Aww, crap, dude, I'm so sorry... :(
Vocal harmonies & Gospel-style female vocals with no actual words, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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They've been dead for over a decade, actually.
*ba-dum tish*
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Growls. *dodges tomatoes*
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I'm not sure how to explain this, so here goes:
It seems like whenever I hear a piano in a rock song, it's always long, flowing, ballady type music. For example (even though I like the song), The Spirit Carries On. Nothing against pianists in rock bands, but that kinda bothers me.
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I'm not sure how to explain this, so here goes:
It seems like whenever I hear a piano in a rock song, it's always long, flowing, ballady type music. For example (even though I like the song), The Spirit Carries On. Nothing against pianists in rock bands, but that kinda bothers me.
You're listening to the wrong bands. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrWSkQMWlAY)
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The only time that the vi IV I V really bothers me is when it's in the intro to a song and one instrument is just arppegiating though the chords simply (like 5-3-1-3-5-3-1-3 or something).
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Having two guitarists in a band that don't complement each other at all, i.e. both guitarists play the exact same thing. Annoys me to no end.
Same thing with a bass player only playing root notes, come on be a little creative!
Overly technical wankery that doesn't (seem to) go anywhere.
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I know the first two don't apply to many 'professional' bands, but even if it's your local band playing at the pub it still does annoy me.
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Having two guitarists in a band that don't complement each other at all, i.e. both guitarists play the exact same thing. Annoys me to no end.
Yeah I know what you mean. Like those 4 guys who play exactly the same notes on Tom Sawyer? Yeah, get a little more creative I say ;D
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Here's a couple more:
.Annoying snare drum. Some drummer spamming a bad-sounding snare is just painful to listen to.
.The bassist's role in a lot of metal bands. Don't get me wrong, there's tons of great metal bassists, but in a lot of bands they just seem there for no real reason. Mixed too low, does nothing but repeat the guitar line, etc... What's worse is when the guitar sounds just as low as the bass. What's the point of even having one then?
That said, if the bass has a good tone and is mixed well, it works great.
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Not really a pet peeve, but an eye roller: Symphonic bands whose name ends in "ia" or some form of it. There are LOTS of them.
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Sort of along the lines of Adami's: rhyming walk with talk.
UGGHHH!!!!!!
Worse than both of those, though, is "Baby" and "Maybe". There's even a song (two of them actually, that I know of) where it's IN THE TITLE. "Maybe Baby" by Buddy Holly and The Cars.
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2. When artists use cliche' catch phrases as their chorus or focus. Country music does this all the time. The most recent example I can think of is that song by Kelly Clarkson with the lyrics "Whatever Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger"... gag me with a spoon. I hope the inventor of that catchphrase is final happy that it's making millions of dollars. I'd sue.
I'm with you on that. I love him, he's one of my favorite artists ever, but Hank Williams, Jr. does this all the time and invariably, those are the songs that are clearly filler, clearly just to get to "ten songs" so there can be another album.
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Every indie band playing only rickenbacker basses and really old shitty 60's no-name guitars
Okay your other points don't both me at all but Rickenbacker basses are awesome. Just ask Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, and Scott Pilgrim. And I don't know what indie bands you've been seeing, but more than plenty of them play with Gibsons and Fenders. :P
I think my biggest musical pet peeve is the point about lifting a popular riff/melody and changing the words. That "Live Your Life" song had better be paying royalties to that Romanian band who wrote "Dragosta in Tei" (aka the Numa Numa song). I'm kind of hypocritical with that pet peeve though, because sometimes sampling and mashups can be really really cool. :P So...yeah.
It's not Rickenbacker basses per se . It's every band using them Because every band uses them. I can't stand trends as it is but when all bands sound and look the same that really annoys me as someone who tries to go against trends and fashions unless it's something that I actually choose out of preference...
Exactly what bands use them? I'm not a huge indie fan or anything but they never struck me as being common enough to be a trend.
I'm sorta with Kowtowboy on this one. I can't place concrete examples, though Beck comes to mind for some reason, but I get where he's going. You have this pretentious half-talent with hair in his eyes, playing this silly no-name guitar, and it's fine if that's your only instrument, but it just smacks of "I'm SO MUCH cooler than you that I don't need to play a standard Strat, that any halfwit can play Eruption on. I'm playing THIS exquisite piece of Americana that you can't even NAME let alone understand."
There's something to be said for the classics, and if you run down arguably the ten best guitarists in rock history, all but one are playing vintage equipment (albeit probably heavily modified).
Page: Les Paul
Clapton: Strat (Gibson when he was younger)
Howe: Gibsons, mainly, but Fender and Martin
Hendrix: Strat
Blackmore: Strat (Gibson when he was younger)
Lifeson: Gibson (though also PRS)
Gilmour: Fender
May: the exception, the Red Special
Lennon: Gibson (not one of the best guitarists in history, but certainly iconic)
Beck: Fender
Townsend: Gibson, Fender
Allman: Gibson
Iommi: Gibson
Young: Gibson
Murray: Fender
Fripp: Gibson
Hackett: Gibson
Perry: Gibson (often with a Fender slung around on his back. Cooler than crap.)
Hetfield: Gibson
Richards: Fender
Young: Gibson, Martin
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I don't like when bonus tracks are at the end of the album. A bonus track should be an occasion to add something to the tracklist, but when it's slammed at the end it's just blatant that it's a matter of "geez, there has to be a bonus track, let's slap it at the end and be done with it".
It's especially annoying when the final "true" track of the album is a proper closing song, and then the bonus track comes being last while it should be placed somewhere in the middle.
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There's a lot more to a good song than the chord structure.
Yes. I never said it made the song bad, but it could it way better with an original chord structure (which is subjective, but for me I generally like songs with as much originality as possible).
But that begs the question as to what's the purpose of a song?
I can respect "originality" as much as the next guy - I'm a prog fan after all - but when I'm asked to list my all time favorite songs, invariably, they are the ones that make me forget chord structures, forget time signatures, forget my job, forget my nagging wife, and submit to an emotion. "Drops of Jupiter" by Train. Simplest song on the planet. Three chords, essentially, and yet I cry every single time I hear that song. There's a beauty in the way that some songwriters are able to sit in a room, by themselves, and arrange the twelve notes we're given into a pattern that can touch MILLIONS of people that they've never even SEEN let alone met, let alone talked with to understand what moves them.
"Yesterday". Two minutes and five seconds that changed the entire world. (I'll let him tell it, because he posts here, but I have a friend that told a story about being in Siberia, not speaking a word of Russian, or at least that dialect, and picking up a guitar, playing that, and some of the people around him - with whom he previously could not communicate - started singing along (phonetically). That is POWERFUL, man. POWERFUL.
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So, some that haven't been mentioned:
= Compilation live albums, with fade outs between each song. Exit..Stage Left, AC/DC Live, and Seconds Out fit this bill (though I actually LOVE Seconds Out). I usually use my Mac and fade them together for listening on my iPod (I do this with the "hidden songs" too; edit them out and list them on the albums they're on). This is why I love the Dead: FULL SHOWS, warts and all. And if there's time on the disk, add some songs from other shows that weren't played at every gig.
= When bands re-release albums with bonus tracks and DON'T RELEASE ALL THE B-SIDES. Ozzy did this with Blizzard, and Phil Collins just did this with his re-issues. Put it out there. I get that not everyone is a completest like me, but at least make it somewhat available. Kudos to Sabbath and U2 for doing this. Maiden too.
= I think they're called "drops" (where the music fades to a drum beat, then all the treble is taken out of it, and it sort of fades out then back in). Annoying.
= Live songs/albums that don't state where they were recorded, or worse, misstate them. Nothing worse than seeing on the album "Live in New York!" and hearing the singer say "We love you, San An-TONE!" Priest is shitty for this (on their remasters, the live tracks invariably had "recorded somewhere on one of our many world tours!" Oh really? I thought it was done in Rob's sex room. It turned out that something like all but one were from the same show, just cut into pieces for the reissues. LAME-O.
= Singers that "won't sing the other guy's songs". This is why I love Bruce Dickinson. He sings Di'Anno, he sings his shit, he even sings the songs of the guy that replaced him. Doesn't care. Does what he has to do. Cherone in Van Halen, same thing. Brian Johnson (he's even said, he wants to sing MORE Bon stuff). Joe Lynn Turner; that guy, in Rainbow, in any given setlist was singing his own stuff, Ian Gillan, Dave Coverdale, Ronnie Dio, and Graham Bonnet, and singing it like a CHAMP. That's a pro move. Sammy Hagar? C'mon dude. Sing the Dave stuff. You know you can, so it's not that. The only exception to this rule: Ozzy, because he can't (plus I'd much rather hear the Ozzy stuff anyway).
= Repeat thing, but fades. The fade in "Tonight" by Ozzy is a crime against humanity. Randy is just kicking his outro solo into high gear, and pffft. Fade. Lame. An early press sheet for the remaster and reissue of Diary had a "Tonight (Extended Version)" on there, and Bob Daisley has said he has a copy that isn't faded, but to date, it has not been released. That is one of my musical holy grails. That, and the alleged "Cinema" suite by the Rabin-era Yes.
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I don't like when bonus tracks are at the end of the album. A bonus track should be an occasion to add something to the tracklist, but when it's slammed at the end it's just blatant that it's a matter of "geez, there has to be a bonus track, let's slap it at the end and be done with it".
It's especially annoying when the final "true" track of the album is a proper closing song, and then the bonus track comes being last while it should be placed somewhere in the middle.
I like when bands put all bonus songs on a seperate CD. Leave the album as it is.
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I have heard sorrow rhymed with tomorrow more than enough times.
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My bro and I have this peeve where you expect a rhyme and it doesn't happen...
Something along the lines of
" You walked through the Door. Then you fell on the ground "
:rollin
Ok it's not really a peeve it's just funny. I know that lyrics aren't *expected* to rhyme but....
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My bro and I have this peeve where you expect a rhyme and it doesn't happen...
Something along the lines of
" You walked through the Door. Then you fell on the ground "
:rollin
Ok it's not really a peeve it's just funny. I know that lyrics aren't *expected* to rhyme but....
Best example of that is in Finally Free.
No longer torn in two
He'd kill his brother if he only knew
Their love renewed
They'd rendezvous
In a pathway out of view
They thought no one knew
Then came a shot out of the blue night
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My bro and I have this peeve where you expect a rhyme and it doesn't happen...
Something along the lines of
" You walked through the Door. Then you fell on the ground "
:rollin
Ok it's not really a peeve it's just funny. I know that lyrics aren't *expected* to rhyme but....
Best example of that is in Finally Free.
No longer torn in two
He'd kill his brother if he only knew
Their love renewed
They'd rendezvous
In a pathway out of view
They thought no one knew
Then came a shot out of the blue night
Most infamous Rush example from "Rivendell" -
Sunlight dances through the leaves
Soft winds stir the sighing trees
Lying in the warm grass
Feel the sun upon your ass face
-Marc.
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Guitar solos under 2 minutes. :hat
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Woulda sounded funnier in an English accent.
Grarse / Arse :rollin
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nobody noticed the >4 year bump? :lol
anyways:
LOW-MIXED BASS
screw right off, I want to hear what the bassist is doing, and if it's not something interesting, why not?
on that note having bass just double the guitar all the time
lazy and uninteresting
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Yeah not even Adam Clayton ONLY plays root notes.
I'd be so bored as a bass player only playing root 8th notes. Imagine being one of those guys and stuck in a 12 bar boogie band.
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Singers that "won't sing the other guy's songs". This is why I love Bruce Dickinson. He sings Di'Anno, he sings his shit, he even sings the songs of the guy that replaced him. Doesn't care. Does what he has to do. Cherone in Van Halen, same thing. Brian Johnson (he's even said, he wants to sing MORE Bon stuff). Joe Lynn Turner; that guy, in Rainbow, in any given setlist was singing his own stuff, Ian Gillan, Dave Coverdale, Ronnie Dio, and Graham Bonnet, and singing it like a CHAMP. That's a pro move. Sammy Hagar? C'mon dude. Sing the Dave stuff. You know you can, so it's not that. The only exception to this rule: Ozzy, because he can't (plus I'd much rather hear the Ozzy stuff anyway).
= Repeat thing, but fades. The fade in "Tonight" by Ozzy is a crime against humanity. Randy is just kicking his outro solo into high gear, and pffft. Fade. Lame. An early press sheet for the remaster and reissue of Diary had a "Tonight (Extended Version)" on there, and Bob Daisley has said he has a copy that isn't faded, but to date, it has not been released. That is one of my musical holy grails. That, and the alleged "Cinema" suite by the Rabin-era Yes.
I'm with you on these two.
But regarding Sammy, he at least sang a few of the DLR tunes, Dave on the other hand never touched a Sammy tune. Not sure if he could sing them if he tried but I'm sure his ego didn't even consider trying it.
I like it more if the song has a definite ending, if you play it live you can't just fade out. If there's nothing new and you repeat yourself at the end than a fade out is at least tolerable, but there are so many songs that fade out on amazing solos or jams and it's such a shame.
Toto's Only The Children and Rosanna are prime examples, Steve Lukather is on fire and the song just fades out >:(
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It depends on how slow the fade-out is tbh. If a fade-out lasts a solid minute or so, I don't really care if it's on an amazing solo part (TTT, TDEN & TBOT are good examples if memory serves), but I can't stand fast fades out, even when it's just repeating the chorus. Candlelight Fantasia by Symphony X is a good example of this. Even though it's just more chorus, it's way too good of a chorus to just jump-fade like that. Maybe it's just because I'm used to longer fades, but I can't help but get really disappointed when a fast fade ends a song.
Edit: Actually CF's fadeout is around 35 seconds, but it certainly sounds like a fast-fade because it's a slower song. Point still stands.
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Speaking of fast-fades, I need to point out Telegraph Road by Dire Straits. Yes, the solo is already nearly 5 minutes long as it is (and yes, it is one of the best solos out there), but the fade-out is still way too fast for it. It's like you're on this glorious high and then are just left hanging there when it ends all too quickly.
One of my pet peeves is overly-short albums. I know that this disregards many classic albums, but anything under 40 minutes shouldn't be called an album imo. I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth, even if they're the best songs ever. An album like Close to the Edge (3 tracks, 37 minutes) is over before it's even begun. I know that vinyl had its limits, but Genesis managed to make several albums over 50 minutes in the same era, so it is possible to fill vinyl generously.
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On one hand - Insomniac by Green Day is like 30 mins or so but it came out the year after Dookie so that's ok.
But then Bryan Adams released a 35 or so minute album which was 6 years after his previous effort and then you feel kinda short changed.
I think that after an 8 year gap - Metallica's new one needed to be nice and long.
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But then Bryan Adams released a 35 or so minute album which was 6 years after his previous effort and then you feel kinda short changed.
Exactly how I felt when AC/DC's Rock Or Bust came out, especially after Black Ice (their longest album, 55 minutes) was one of my favourites from there's.
It also didn't help that RoB wasn't that good but I digress.
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My bro and I have this peeve where you expect a rhyme and it doesn't happen...
Something along the lines of
" You walked through the Door. Then you fell on the ground "
:rollin
Ok it's not really a peeve it's just funny. I know that lyrics aren't *expected* to rhyme but....
Best example of that is in Finally Free.
No longer torn in two
He'd kill his brother if he only knew
Their love renewed
They'd rendezvous
In a pathway out of view
They thought no one knew
Then came a shot out of the blue night
Funny, I never ever realized or was even bothered by this.
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"Out of the blue" would've been far worse. Not only does three rhymes in a row that quickly make it really redundant, but "blue" isn't exactly a word you can hold for 10 seconds & expect to be taken seriously.
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nobody noticed the >4 year bump? :lol
Ah! I wondered how a new thread got so many posts without me seeing it.
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Kiss's "Dressed To Kill" even had extra silence in between songs to make it to 30 minutes, it was so short. Then again, it was the third album by them in 18 months, and they were touring like maniacs, so it was a different environment, but still.
I'm on the fence. Some of those '80's metal records - 42 minutes of pure annihilation - are damn near perfect, when compared to, say, Genesis "We Can't Dance", that should have been pared back. But then again, what do you cut from, say, "Scenes From a Memory"? The answer is, nothing. So there's no perfect answer.
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Kiss's "Dressed To Kill" even had extra silence in between songs to make it to 30 minutes, it was so short. Then again, it was the third album by them in 18 months, and they were touring like maniacs, so it was a different environment, but still.
I'm on the fence. Some of those '80's metal records - 42 minutes of pure annihilation - are damn near perfect, when compared to, say, Genesis "We Can't Dance", that should have been pared back. But then again, what do you cut from, say, "Scenes From a Memory"? The answer is, nothing. So there's no perfect answer.
A friend of mine and I were having a discussion about We Can't Dance a while back, and I ended up coming up with this track list for the album which actually works quite well:
No Son of Mine
Jesus He Knows Me
Driving the Last Spike
Dreaming While You Sleep
On the Shoreline
Living Forever
Hold on My Heart
Fading Lights
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My biggest musical pet peeve is featured raps. These rappers go into the studio without ever having heard the song and lay down a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter of the song. It's also usually their laziest verse, with them just doing it to make additional money, and it almost always comes out terrible and takes away from the song. There's a few exceptions (Nicki Minaj's featured verses are almost always fire) but it's a trend in pop music that I wish would go away.
I also hate metal bands with pop punk vocalists. I love metal and I love pop punk. Just not together. It always plays out the same: I'm listening to a song on the radio. The singer is doing metal growls during the verses. I'm enjoying it and then the chorus comes and the vocalist starts singing a melody and he has that typical whiny pop punk voice which doesn't fit the aggressive nature of the metal instrumentation going on underneath him. It completely takes me out of the entire song. It just doesn't work.
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"Out of the blue" would've been far worse. Not only does three rhymes in a row that quickly make it really redundant, but "blue" isn't exactly a word you can hold for 10 seconds & expect to be taken seriously.
I agree that night is better, but not really because of those reasons. The constant rhyming I think is awesome. And also the expected rhyme but actually saying the word adds to the "surprise" of the even in the narrative. Also, "night" isn't even held for 2 seconds, let alone 10, otherwise I'd agree with you there.
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I don't like affectations in my vocals much. Ozzy does this a lot ("Crazy.... Babays...."). Another example is Sweet ("She thinks SHE'S the passionate one!"). Fred Durst used to do it a lot (seemed like every song) with Limp Bizkit. Ace Frehley does it a fair amount, as does Peter Criss.
I also don't like "raps" in my rock songs. As much of a Kiss fan as I am, Paul's rap in "All Hell's Breaking Loose" is embarrassing.
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I don't like affectations in my vocals much. Ozzy does this a lot ("Crazy.... Babays...."). Another example is Sweet ("She thinks SHE'S the passionate one!"). Fred Durst used to do it a lot (seemed like every song) with Limp Bizkit. Ace Frehley does it a fair amount, as does Peter Criss.
I also don't like "raps" in my rock songs. As much of a Kiss fan as I am, Paul's rap in "All Hell's Breaking Loose" is embarrassing.
Even worse if it has THAT mid 80's " 1 - 2 - and a 3 and 4 " drum beat... You know the one...With some slap bass to top it off :rollin
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I think there's a place for shorter albums but I'll agree that it can still feel like you're getting ripped off
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Having two capitalised letters within a word - doesn't matter if it's a band, a song title, it always looks off.
For instance, there's this pretty awesome band MyGrain who make some awesome music, but every time I see their name, I can't help but cringe slightly. Same with FantasMic but Nightwish.
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And KoRn.
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Don't forget KrotchRaut.
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Can we please?
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Another thing I realized... it's annoying when singers make a spelling mistake, and it still gets uses as a final take. I can't make example off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure it happens even with native speakers, not only foreign ones.
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The "fire / desire" rhyme pair should be banned by law - it's the mother of all clichés.
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I think it can still work on occasion, like in Transatlantic - Rose Coloured Glasses
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And what about Love / Above? it's the only thing rhyming anyway so it's kinda mandatory :lol
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This is kind of silly, and I guess unique to me, but I have a preference for things that are... for lack of a better word, "elegant". Band names. Led Zeppelin is CLASSIC. Pink Floyd, rolls off the tongue. Pearl Jam is iconic. I like their music, but I would NEVER, EVER, EVER have named my band "Butthole Surfers". Not a fan of "Stone Temple Pilots". And don't even get me started on the emo bands like "Panic! At The Disco", or "Death Cab For Cutie". That latter one could be the stupidest band name ever.
Same with lyrics (although lyrics don't mean all that much to me); I'll take some of Robert Plant's lyrics - like in Kashmir - over dumb clichés all day. Even Kiss is good here; "Parasite". "Deuce". "God of Thunder". Classics. The world does not need another "In Your Eyes" or "Angel" or "Born To Run".
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I'm always amazed when people complain about band names ... on a "Dream Theater" forum :lol
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I don't think that "Dream Theater" is a particularly good band name, though it's not terrible either.
But why does that mean that I shouldn't be critical of other band names?
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This is kind of silly, and I guess unique to me, but I have a preference for things that are... for lack of a better word, "elegant". Band names. Led Zeppelin is CLASSIC. Pink Floyd, rolls off the tongue. Pearl Jam is iconic. I like their music, but I would NEVER, EVER, EVER have named my band "Butthole Surfers". Not a fan of "Stone Temple Pilots". And don't even get me started on the emo bands like "Panic! At The Disco", or "Death Cab For Cutie". That latter one could be the stupidest band name ever.
Same with lyrics (although lyrics don't mean all that much to me); I'll take some of Robert Plant's lyrics - like in Kashmir - over dumb clichés all day. Even Kiss is good here; "Parasite". "Deuce". "God of Thunder". Classics. The world does not need another "In Your Eyes" or "Angel" or "Born To Run".
" Cute Without The E "
Oh Piss Off You Bunch of Emo Twats :lolpalm:
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The "fire / desire" rhyme pair should be banned by law - it's the mother of all clichés.
Especially when it's also paired with the ''higher/overtired'' combo. Right? :neverusethis:
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"Out of the blue" would've been far worse. Not only does three rhymes in a row that quickly make it really redundant, but "blue" isn't exactly a word you can hold for 10 seconds & expect to be taken seriously.
I agree that night is better, but not really because of those reasons. The constant rhyming I think is awesome. And also the expected rhyme but actually saying the word adds to the "surprise" of the even in the narrative. Also, "night" isn't even held for 2 seconds, let alone 10, otherwise I'd agree with you there.
Also the song switches gears on that word, so it makes sense that the rhyme scheme doesn't continue there.
My biggest musical pet peeve is featured raps. These rappers go into the studio without ever having heard the song and lay down a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter of the song. It's also usually their laziest verse, with them just doing it to make additional money, and it almost always comes out terrible and takes away from the song. There's a few exceptions (Nicki Minaj's featured verses are almost always fire) but it's a trend in pop music that I wish would go away.
The featured rap is today's version of the guitar solo in pop music. It doesn't help that a lot of the rappers they get are terrible (this is coming from someone who really likes hip hop). At least in the 80s they'd get someone like Eddie Van Halen or a member of the band was a great guitarist (Toto).
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Can we please?
You've been branded. You are forever in our grasp.
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This is kind of silly, and I guess unique to me, but I have a preference for things that are... for lack of a better word, "elegant". Band names. Led Zeppelin is CLASSIC. Pink Floyd, rolls off the tongue. Pearl Jam is iconic. I like their music, but I would NEVER, EVER, EVER have named my band "Butthole Surfers". Not a fan of "Stone Temple Pilots". And don't even get me started on the emo bands like "Panic! At The Disco", or "Death Cab For Cutie". That latter one could be the stupidest band name ever.
Same with lyrics (although lyrics don't mean all that much to me); I'll take some of Robert Plant's lyrics - like in Kashmir - over dumb clichés all day. Even Kiss is good here; "Parasite". "Deuce". "God of Thunder". Classics. The world does not need another "In Your Eyes" or "Angel" or "Born To Run".
Local bands have some weirder names.
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Bands that use "The' in their name where it isn't necessary. The Offspring, The Cult, The Beatles. Those are fine. The Running Towards You? The Eating Cake? The Jumps Really High. "The Fuck Outta Here!"
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The Fuck Outta Here!
Is this your and my new band?
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The Fuck Outta Here!
Is this your and my new band?
Yes. You will play all the instruments and I'll just fart into the microphone. We'll make millions.
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I'm proud to announce my new emo band.
The drummer only has one cymbal. The guitar is from 90 years ago and has 5 single coils on it. We all wear clothes we got from charity shops.
We're called " The The The The's "
We're like..so totally awesome....
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I'm proud to announce my new emo band.
The drummer only has one cymbal. The guitar is from 90 years ago and has 5 single coils on it. We all wear clothes we got from charity shops.
We're called " The The The The's "
We're like..so totally awesome....
Do you guys need a bassist or even a triangle player? Please!
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We're trying to go a different direction maaaaan.
we're just going to be guitar and drums but not like the white stripes or black keys maaan
we have our own reason for just having a guitar player and a drummer with only one cymbal
we're not just copying someone elses idea who said we were
.... actually - have you ever heard of " THE VON BONDIES " ?
Their drummer literally had ride snare and floor tom. That was it. :|
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I Gotta Feeling by Black Eyed Peas. That translates to "I've got to feeling", which just doesn't make sense in any language.
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I'm always amazed when people complain about band names ... on a "Dream Theater" forum :lol
Nah, see, I think that is a legendary band name. Classic. Evocative.
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The Fuck Outta Here!
Is this your and my new band?
Yes. You will play all the instruments and I'll just fart into the microphone. We'll make millions.
Adami = George Michael
Zook = Andrew Ridgely
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¡Spam!
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This is kind of silly, and I guess unique to me, but I have a preference for things that are... for lack of a better word, "elegant". Band names. Led Zeppelin is CLASSIC. Pink Floyd, rolls off the tongue. Pearl Jam is iconic. I like their music, but I would NEVER, EVER, EVER have named my band "Butthole Surfers". Not a fan of "Stone Temple Pilots". And don't even get me started on the emo bands like "Panic! At The Disco", or "Death Cab For Cutie". That latter one could be the stupidest band name ever.
Same with lyrics (although lyrics don't mean all that much to me); I'll take some of Robert Plant's lyrics - like in Kashmir - over dumb clichés all day. Even Kiss is good here; "Parasite". "Deuce". "God of Thunder". Classics. The world does not need another "In Your Eyes" or "Angel" or "Born To Run".
Local bands have some weirder names.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43743.0
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Dream Theater is a pretty good band name.
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Dream Theater is a pretty good band name.
Well at least it's not The Dream Theatre.
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Dream Theater is a pretty good band name.
Yes it is. I won't bore with my College WDADU story, but the band's name definitely caught my attention.
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My biggest musical pet peeve is featured raps. These rappers go into the studio without ever having heard the song and lay down a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter of the song. It's also usually their laziest verse, with them just doing it to make additional money, and it almost always comes out terrible and takes away from the song. There's a few exceptions (Nicki Minaj's featured verses are almost always fire) but it's a trend in pop music that I wish would go away.
The featured rap is today's version of the guitar solo in pop music. It doesn't help that a lot of the rappers they get are terrible (this is coming from someone who really likes hip hop). At least in the 80s they'd get someone like Eddie Van Halen or a member of the band was a great guitarist (Toto).
This reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evCsdT99Iog
-Marc.
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Dream Theater is a pretty good band name.
Yes it is. I won't bore with my College WDADU story, but the band's name definitely caught my attention.
Actually, I think the band name is quite misleading. When I first heard about Dream Theater, I was expecting something ambient and new-agey (Tangerine Dream?). So when I finally gave DT a listen, I was like: wow this is heavy AF! Boy was I way off base!
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They were exactly what I expected them to sound like: Metal with a ton of keyboards and symphonic elements. I hadn't really discovered progressive music yet so I was more thinking about power/symphonic type metal, but the overall tone of their music was what I expected.
But I also assumed they were a Metal band because I was hearing about them on Iron Maiden forums and the like.
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Certain instances of bad grammar really bother me. For instance, from Streams by Haken:
Streams of blood like liquid love is are rushing to my brain.
It wouldn't affect the lyrics at all if it were corrected. However, here are instances I'll forgive it, like in The Dear Hunter's The Line:
It's the end of the line for you and I.
Really it should be "you and me," but I'll let it slide because they'd have to change all the lyrics to fix it.
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Revised [original disappeared due to poster error. There goes another secretary)
Most fadeouts work, some don't. The worst (x 1000): 'Fool On The Hill'.
Hate the 'long/short/long' track times?: Sorry, but 'Yours Is No Disgrace /The Clap / Starship Troopers' would respectfully disagree.
Extended remixes are THE worst 99% of the time. And my favorite band Queen are the worst abusers and moneymakers of this genre (though a handful of extended VERSIONS are good/better than the LP versions).
Oh, and one of the few bands that released a single that was longer and different and better than the LP version ('I Want To Break Free')
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Revised [original disappeared due to poster error. There goes another secretary)
You sure? ::)
Nice to read posts from 'before my time'.
As to 'too quick of fade outs': The Beatles 'Fool on the Hill'. I mean, wow.
As to long/short/long songs not working: I don't know, 'Yours Is No Disgrace/The Clap/Starship Trooper' is one of many examples where I would disagree.
As to bonus tracks at the end of a CD: put 10-15 seconds of silence after the album proper. When I make cdrs, I have place that amount of silence at the end of EVERY one of them. The reason: car stereos instantly go back to track one when a CD is finished. It gives me time to eject them, rather than being jolted from a long fade out of an album to an instant crashing of the first song.
I wish some band's (ie The Beatles) bonus material WAS included on CDs. For 'Revolver', every copy I've made has 'Paperback Writer' and 'Rain included at the end. They were part of the era, released months before the album. The silence before the songs gives me and those who receive these copies the option of listening to them or stopping.
But, I digress. Moving on.....
The second worst: greatest hits albums that just butcher the original versions. The list is too long for a single post (geez, I smell a new thread coming from someone...)
The worst: extended remixes. Queen was just horrible at this. Gawd knows who the hell was creating these things, as they are mostly 'sit at the desk and reloop' piles of crap ('You Don't Fool Me' sixteen versions, anyone?0
There are a handful of band/solo tracks that might have been better on their LPs
band: 'A Hard Life', 'Hammer To Fall', and to some extent, 'Breakthru'. And, oddly, 'I Want To Break Free'. The 45 version is longer than the album version. How many bands did that?
Freddie- 'Made In Heaven' and 'Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow'. I mean, damn, those versions should have been on his dreadful 'Mr. Bad Guy' instead of the album versions.
'Barcelona' (ext)......if you like the album version, you will love this. It isn't a lot more, but it still feels 'new' on every listen.
the bad: all the other extended versions/remixes they did. Instead of an extra Brian or Roger solo that didn't fit onto the LP due to time restraints or being to 'wild', they were mostly 'relooped' crap. I wasted way too much money back in the day to get these 'rarities'.
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Wow....I do not need another secretary.
Not to derail the thread, but, I am not kidding......I still do not see MY post that you quoted?!? I have no clue as to why.
[fashimilled for sure]
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Wow....I do not need another secretary.
Not to derail the thread, but, I am not kidding......I still do not see MY post that you quoted?!? I have no clue as to why.
[fashimilled for sure]
You posted it in the wrong thread! :lol
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Check your own post history people !!!
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Apologies to all...but I cannot access my post 'history' (and have not been able to for quite a spell). And I'm still searching for the thread I , er, my former secretary posted in.
Help!
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Click here
(https://i.imgur.com/BUUOr0c.png)
Then click here
(https://i.imgur.com/OuTqYF4.png)
Then scroll down a bit & you'll see this:
(https://i.imgur.com/OdGJjy3.png)
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Apologies to all...but I cannot access my post 'history' (and have not been able to for quite a spell). And I'm still searching for the thread I , er, my former secretary posted in.
Help!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43743.msg2273970#msg2273970 :tup
God dammit beat me to it :(