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Title: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 17, 2012, 11:02:17 AM
Ok, now I have to obsessively check this thread tonight to find out if there is a Set B, and if there is, will Set A or B be played tonight  :lol
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 17, 2012, 11:04:08 AM
Count me in as a part of the obsessively checking group.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Implode on June 17, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
Thirded.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 17, 2012, 05:53:11 PM
Well, it doesn't look like we have a forum member attending, so we might have to wait for setlist.fm  :(
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Rkeister on June 17, 2012, 06:05:03 PM
i obsessively check setlist.fm after every concert during the tours just to know which set list ill get.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: JoeG on June 17, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
Found this on twitter

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Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: SystematicThought on June 17, 2012, 09:59:06 PM
No rotation on this leg? Doesn't really bug me
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 17, 2012, 10:03:26 PM
or theyre just giving this an A set and counting the festival gig in the rotations, just without the B set..
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: The Letter M on June 17, 2012, 10:06:01 PM
or theyre just giving this an A set and counting the festival gig in the rotations, just without the B set..

So wait...was "Wait For Sleep" played the other night or not?? It's not on this set list.

-Marc.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Jamariquay on June 17, 2012, 10:57:29 PM
or theyre just giving this an A set and counting the festival gig in the rotations, just without the B set..

So wait...was "Wait For Sleep" played the other night or not?? It's not on this set list.

-Marc.

Yeah, I don't think it was. Someone at the Rochester show said that they played Wait For Sleep by accident (they hadn't). Shame really, I recall that they played Wait For Sleep and Surrounded back to back years ago (Images and Words tour I think), and it'd be a cool thing to bring back. Oh well.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: nlb on June 18, 2012, 08:32:10 AM
The setlist was the same as in the Rochester show.  Great show last night.  Alsthough the theater was only about a third full. I dont understand it being a Sunday show.  It seems this show was under everyones radar. 
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2012, 09:24:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AnURNWlpNo      6:00
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 18, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
Interesting to see no set rotation. I was hoping to get Outcry (rotated with BAI) for the Cleveland show, but it doesn't seem likely.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2012, 09:49:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AnURNWlpNo      6:00
Great video.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2012, 10:00:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AnURNWlpNo      6:00
Great video.

Indeed. Too bad the song is not Metropolis, LnF or TITL...
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 18, 2012, 10:14:51 AM
^ That is an awesome video. Love JP's expressions at the beginning of the video.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2012, 10:17:15 AM
Yeah! I laughed quite hard when he stuck out his tongue  :rollin Loved all those eye contacts with the camera, also, that's a veeery rare happening when it comes to bootlegs!
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: nikatapi on June 18, 2012, 10:22:56 AM
Great video, too bad MM's hihat has almost the same sound both opened and closed :sadpanda:
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 18, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
Very strange that there's been no rotation yet. I admit I would be kind of bummed to see the same set twice. I want at least a little bit of variety.  :(
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 18, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
Interesting to see no set rotation. I was hoping to get Outcry (rotated with BAI) for the Cleveland show, but it doesn't seem likely.

Same for the Chicago show.  I also didn't get to hear beneath the surface and was hoping they'd put that in
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 18, 2012, 11:05:59 AM
Yeah, it does seem odd, but wasteland pointed out in another thread that they didn't rotate on the Asian tour either.  :(
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: FallTempest on June 18, 2012, 11:22:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayj9yGjdJEo - LNF solo and final chorus
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: SystematicThought on June 18, 2012, 11:52:50 AM
JLB sounds excellent on 6:00. I like the things he adds to it nowadays
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 18, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
Yeah, it does seem odd, but wasteland pointed out in another thread that they didn't rotate on the Asian tour either.  :(
It's understandable for the Asian/European tour to not rotate sets. But when you're playing a bunch of shows right around the same general area, it's more incentive for people to go more than once if they switch it up a little bit.

I mean, hell. They rotated setlists on the last tour, and it was fine.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
(from the same user)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQkMjXBUVA&feature=channel&list=UL   Metropolis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITwsjpFfmAs&feature=channel&list=UL    War/Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUNKR4kcMHs&feature=channel&list=UL  Surrounded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsz8v774FQY&feature=channel&list=UL   A Fortune In Laaaaais Solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baSHUSC70kg&feature=channel&list=UL  Bridges In The Sky

I just have to say, JLB has improved since the European leg. And that's something I didn't think possible beforehand.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: SystematicThought on June 18, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
Also, it's nice to see a band member wear something other than a black shirt.  :lol
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 18, 2012, 01:51:05 PM
JLB sounds excellent on 6:00. I like the things he adds to it nowadays

Same here.  They aren't a huge deviation but are relatively subtle that makes each performance a tad unique from the others. 

i also love that it doesn't seem like he is being restrained and walks about the stage freely and participates in a little banter...of course I don't want to get into another speculation about why that is  :lol
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 18, 2012, 02:10:05 PM
Woah woah woah! Did JLB record some new backing vocals for WIMH (by that I mean, replacing MP's vocals).

Around 52 seconds in that video, the backing vocals sound totally different than on the studio version ("waging the war inside my head").

If that was JP, that was an awesome vocal moment for him, because the rasp at the end sounded just like James.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: SystematicThought on June 18, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
I'm pretty sure that's JP. That was amazing. He does great on TDEN too.

Man, JP has some great backing vocals.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2012, 02:17:24 PM
Woah woah woah! Did JLB record some new backing vocals for WIMH (by that I mean, replacing MP's vocals).

Around 52 seconds in that video, the backing vocals sound totally different than on the studio version ("waging the war inside my head").

If that was JP, that was an awesome vocal moment for him, because the rasp at the end sounded just like James.

Yeah, I think so.  Right before the chorus, he goes over to the mic.  Plus, if you keep watching, he is actually in frame on parts of the second chorus and you can see him singing it.  (plus, it sounds like him)
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 18, 2012, 02:47:50 PM
This might be a long shot, but I have a few theories why there hasn't been any rotation thus far:

1) The first three shows weren't really close to the next show. US -> Canada -> US, i believe. Which means they could just be playing the same set because it is easier for those couple shows and the shows are not close to each other.

2) The Crimson Projekct hasn't even joined them on the tour yet (until tomorrow), so the "tour" hasn't really begun. They may start rotating either tomorrow in Columbus (or play the same set tomorrow and start rotating on Thursday in Cleveland).

3) They could have been using the sound checks of these first three shows to rehearse the rotating songs a bit more while playing the current set songs now a lot in order to start rotation when The Crimson Projekct joins the tour.

In other words, I wouldn't be too worried about any rotation problems until at least after the Cleveland show on Thursday. If they haven't rotated by then, I would be upset about it since they did it last tour and since those two shows are EXTREMELY close to each other. I believe that is when we will see some setlist rotation show up.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: SystematicThought on June 18, 2012, 02:57:15 PM
Maybe the drum solo will return too.

They didn't play in Minnesota last time around so I haven't seen it yet. I know others don't want a solo, but I kind of want to see it
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Progmetty on June 18, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

I just would be happier if they played some additional other encores on different dates. Learning To Live comes to mind. The setlist is very good, but I that at least the last should change randomly every night, to keep a minimum degree of surprise for the audience.  :)
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2012, 03:07:53 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

I think people are mostly concerned about Robert Trujillo showing up and making a guest appearance.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 18, 2012, 03:18:24 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

Yes, I am seeing DT 3 consecutives days in a row.  if it were spaced out maybe a lack of Variety wouldnt be so bad, but Sunday, Monday, Tuesday...
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 18, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.
I am only concerned a bit because I am going to two shows, which are back-to-back, so I really expect to see some rotation (and the two shows are a two hour drive apart). I'm seeing them tomorrow in Columbus and then Thursday in Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2012, 03:24:05 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.
I am only concerned a bit because I am going to two shows, which are back-to-back, so I really expect to see some rotation (and the two shows are a two hour drive apart). I'm seeing them tomorrow in Columbus and then Thursday in Cleveland.

Well, most likely you will get the first rotation of the tour! Anyways, happy birthday  :omg:
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 18, 2012, 03:35:13 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.
I am only concerned a bit because I am going to two shows, which are back-to-back, so I really expect to see some rotation (and the two shows are a two hour drive apart). I'm seeing them tomorrow in Columbus and then Thursday in Cleveland.

Make sure to chime in with the Columbus setlist! I'm dying to know if they are gonna rotate, and when it will start (Columbus or Cleveland).

I don't know if I would be happy or sad to not get Set A. Depends how good Set B is, and what songs are rotated.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Marion Crane on June 18, 2012, 03:38:53 PM
Very interesting hearing the pre-recorded backup vocals on LNF. 
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 18, 2012, 03:48:03 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.
I am only concerned a bit because I am going to two shows, which are back-to-back, so I really expect to see some rotation (and the two shows are a two hour drive apart). I'm seeing them tomorrow in Columbus and then Thursday in Cleveland.

Well, most likely you will get the first rotation of the tour! Anyways, happy birthday  :omg:
As soon as I get back home from the show tomorrow (about a 40 min drive from Columbus), I will make sure to post the setlist in the appropriate thread. So people can expect it to be posted definitely before midnight.
Well, most likely you will get the first rotation of the tour! Anyways, happy birthday  :omg:
That's what I'm hoping for, and thank you very much! :)
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: zipporaid on June 18, 2012, 03:52:50 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

I think people are mostly concerned about Robert Trujillo showing up and making a guest appearance.

I'd rather it were him than any of the other scumbags in metallica... ST for life  :metal
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 18, 2012, 05:08:11 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

I'm concerned because they are playing a few of the same songs they played in Chicago the last time through.  I was bummed because I didnt get to hear Beneath the Surface and Outcry which are two of my favs from the album.  At the same time I am stoked to hear LNF, Bridges is always a great song, I have never got to hear ROAE, BAI is a great song even though I'd rather hear something in its place since they played it last time in Chicago, 6:00 rules, the Six Degrees songs are underwhelming though and....thats it
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Progmetty on June 18, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
All that makes sense, I'm going to two back to back shows with a long drive myself.

I think people are mostly concerned about Robert Trujillo showing up and making a guest appearance.

Trujillo wouldn't survive Mangini but I'd like to see him try!
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Breaking All Illusions on June 18, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
I saw this one. I also saw them in Rochester on the 15th. I loved both shows. Rochester was by 4th time seeing them and Artpark was my 5th seeing them.  Just incase anyone doubts Mangini, don't, you will be blown away when you see him.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2012, 07:03:56 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

I'm concerned because they are playing a few of the same songs they played in Chicago the last time through.  I was bummed because I didnt get to hear Beneath the Surface and Outcry which are two of my favs from the album.  At the same time I am stoked to hear LNF, Bridges is always a great song, I have never got to hear ROAE, BAI is a great song even though I'd rather hear something in its place since they played it last time in Chicago, 6:00 rules, the Six Degrees songs are underwhelming though and....thats it
Looks like they're playing all of 3 songs that they played in Chicago last time.  :yeahright
That's not bad, man.

But I would be bummed for missing out on Outcry, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: El Barto on June 18, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.
I'm not concerned about the setlist as I'm sure it'll be fine, but I'm also not catching multiple shows with them anymore because of it.  Not interested in the expenditure of seeing the exact same show over consecutive nights.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 18, 2012, 09:05:21 PM
Fellas who're concerned about the rotating set lists; are you concerned cause you're going to more than one show? or is that you don't like this set list? I can't think of another reason.

I'm concerned because they are playing a few of the same songs they played in Chicago the last time through.  I was bummed because I didnt get to hear Beneath the Surface and Outcry which are two of my favs from the album.  At the same time I am stoked to hear LNF, Bridges is always a great song, I have never got to hear ROAE, BAI is a great song even though I'd rather hear something in its place since they played it last time in Chicago, 6:00 rules, the Six Degrees songs are underwhelming though and....thats it
Looks like they're playing all of 3 songs that they played in Chicago last time.  :yeahright
That's not bad, man.

But I would be bummed for missing out on Outcry, that's for sure.

Well there is one or two more.  On the Back of Angels but I'm not angered to the point of obsessing.  I am also not trying to defend MP here because I have been as critical as anybody and am perfectly happy with the current lineup for years to come, but one great thing was that he tried to make sure there weren't many repeats from city to city.  That policy also left a lot of people disappointed because they had to reason that had they drove X amount of miles more they would have gotten a better setlist. 

I just wish, this being a new leg of the tour and them playing in the same city, that they would switch it up a bit more ESPECIALLY considering their catalog is so huge. 

That being said, I am still quite happy with this setlist, the lineup, the stage show, the album, etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
I get wanting to hear other great songs you like, but I am always amused when someone complains, "I saw that song the last time," in reference to something like Learning to Live, as if it is a tragedy to see a song that great more than once live. :lol
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Implode on June 18, 2012, 09:53:01 PM
I'm disappointed that I won't get to see BTS or Outcry, but the Chicago show will be my first DT show. Everything will be new! I might as well also be disappointed that I'll never see ACOS, 8vm, etc.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: phentalmyst on June 19, 2012, 08:12:07 AM
Woah woah woah! Did JLB record some new backing vocals for WIMH (by that I mean, replacing MP's vocals).

Around 52 seconds in that video, the backing vocals sound totally different than on the studio version ("waging the war inside my head").

If that was JP, that was an awesome vocal moment for him, because the rasp at the end sounded just like James.

Yeah, I think so.  Right before the chorus, he goes over to the mic.  Plus, if you keep watching, he is actually in frame on parts of the second chorus and you can see him singing it.  (plus, it sounds like him)

i really don't think that's JP. i saw him walk up to the mic, but maybe he's mimicking the lines the same way lifeson does in subdivisions. that "heeeeeeeeead" sounds just like JLB.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 19, 2012, 08:35:25 AM
^ Agreed, there is just no way JP did that.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Metropolis Pt. II on June 19, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Yeah! I laughed quite hard when he stuck out his tongue  :rollin Loved all those eye contacts with the camera, also, that's a veeery rare happening when it comes to bootlegs!

You might not believe me, but he made that face directly at me since I was making a crazy face at him. I'm super stoked to see it made it into this video!
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Metropolis Pt. II on June 19, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
^ Agreed, there is just no way JP did that.

I was there, and JP walked up to the mic and delivered those backup vocals. He has improved drastically in that department.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: phentalmyst on June 19, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
please re-read my post. it doesn't matter how good he's gotten, he's not going to sound like labrie.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: bosk1 on June 20, 2012, 08:04:47 AM
Woah woah woah! Did JLB record some new backing vocals for WIMH (by that I mean, replacing MP's vocals).

Around 52 seconds in that video, the backing vocals sound totally different than on the studio version ("waging the war inside my head").

If that was JP, that was an awesome vocal moment for him, because the rasp at the end sounded just like James.

Yeah, I think so.  Right before the chorus, he goes over to the mic.  Plus, if you keep watching, he is actually in frame on parts of the second chorus and you can see him singing it.  (plus, it sounds like him)

i really don't think that's JP. i saw him walk up to the mic, but maybe he's mimicking the lines the same way lifeson does in subdivisions. that "heeeeeeeeead" sounds just like JLB.

^ Agreed, there is just no way JP did that.

Okay.  Well, who am I to argue.  You guys obiously have insight into JP's singing ability that goes far beyond what is proven by video and people's own ears.  Keep fighting the good fight.   :tup
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 20, 2012, 08:43:23 AM
Hey hey, no need for that. Just putting my opinion forward. I'm honestly sure it was JP, but it certainly does not sound like him. It will be quite easy to tell once more vids of WIMH surface.

I just can't believe how much better his backing vocals are now than they used to be.

EDIT: I'll be completely honest, I just remembered they were doing the WIMH/TTTSTA combo in Asia. I'll watch some videos.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 20, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
^ Agreed, there is just no way JP did that.
He did it at the Columbus show last night.
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: Shadow2222 on June 20, 2012, 01:03:22 PM
Glad to be proven wrong. Simply means he is getting pretty good!  :tup
Title: Re: 2012-06-17 - Artpark - Lewiston, NY
Post by: wasteland on June 20, 2012, 01:10:11 PM
Glad to be proven wrong. Simply means he is getting pretty good!  :tup

I'm not surprised. John Petrucci is well known for his fast-learning skills:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUN3yenlCGE