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Title: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Frost134 on May 31, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
Does anyone else feel the lyrics are cheesy and dumb? I honestly cringe every single time I listen to this song when the vocals first enter. Anyone share my opinion?
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 31, 2012, 06:29:55 PM
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: theseoafs on May 31, 2012, 06:30:49 PM
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Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: SeRoX on May 31, 2012, 06:31:18 PM
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Frost134 on May 31, 2012, 06:36:39 PM
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?

Just, everything. Any song that starts talking about "the battle cry" or "the war to end all wars" is just cheesy to me. All that aside, it is a fantastic song. But that first verse just irks me.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
Most DT lyrics since 6 Degrees have been stupid and cheesy (yea yea yea, imo).
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2012, 07:03:45 PM
Does anyone else feel the lyrics are cheesy and dumb? I honestly cringe every single time I listen to this song when the vocals first enter. Anyone share my opinion?
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Elite on May 31, 2012, 07:05:45 PM
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: SeRoX on May 31, 2012, 07:08:10 PM
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?

Just, everything. Any song that starts talking about "the battle cry" or "the war to end all wars" is just cheesy to me. All that aside, it is a fantastic song. But that first verse just irks me.


If you look as a whole they did pretty good job. Subject is cool, lines are mostly rhymed and conveying the subject. I'm not a fan of DT's lyrics because most of them are not good but this is one really great, IMO.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: olliemedsy on May 31, 2012, 07:42:27 PM
aren't prog and metal both cheesy separately, so even more so when combined?
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 31, 2012, 08:14:32 PM
The song may have some cliches but I looked at it more as a world event and all of the different things that have been said by various onlookers, news outlets, bloggers, politicians. 

In other words, I think the lyrics are awesome as are all of the lyrics on ADTOE. 

With the exception of a few off of the last album by JP and about half of MP's, I really love DT's lyrics. 
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: TJPNET on May 31, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
I absolutely abhor the lyrics to this song. If it weren't for the instrumental section, I would never listen to it.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 31, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Not at all.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 31, 2012, 08:38:02 PM
NO.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Ħ on May 31, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
Most DT lyrics since 6 Degrees have been stupid and cheesy (yea yea yea, imo).
Yeah, that's pretty much true.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Flacracker on May 31, 2012, 09:54:04 PM
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: OsMosis2259 on May 31, 2012, 10:05:17 PM
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: mrjazzguitar on May 31, 2012, 10:39:00 PM
never listened to the lyrics
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Slain on May 31, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
Nah, it's not that cheesy. There are some DT songs with subpar lyrics post Six Degrees, but not EVERY SINGLE SONG.  :millahhhh
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2012, 10:45:36 PM
Nah, it's not that cheesy. There are some DT songs with subpar lyrics post Six Degrees, but not EVERY SINGLE SONG.  :millahhhh

If the par is lyrics from like Awake or something, then yes every album post 6D is sup par lyrically. In fact I can't think of a single song after 6D who's lyrics are anything more than "okay" at best.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Ħ on May 31, 2012, 10:58:50 PM
In the Name of God has pretty good lyrics. I don't like the song much, but the lyrics are better than "okay".
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2012, 11:01:26 PM
In the Name of God has pretty good lyrics. I don't like the song much, but the lyrics are better than "okay".

Meh, they read like a highschool report.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2012, 12:58:15 AM
This thread makes me wonder why we have a DT sub-forum.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 01, 2012, 04:53:01 AM
never listened to the lyrics
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 01, 2012, 07:24:33 AM
I'll join the chorus of "no".  "War to end all wars" may seem hyperbolic, but to those actually living those events in the Middle East I could see it being an appropriate sentiment.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: wolfking on June 01, 2012, 07:32:50 AM
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Scorpion on June 01, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
No.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2012, 09:25:17 AM
Don't make me do it.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: theseoafs on June 01, 2012, 09:29:58 AM
I warned you, man.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 01, 2012, 10:48:06 AM
Quote pyramid time!


AM I DOIING IT RITE!?!?



On topic:

No not at all!
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 01, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
Not at all,

"somewhere overhead distant thunders roar" - this isn't cheesy, cliche but that doesn't matter, it represents how unexpected and unknowing bombs and all that jazz will explode, creating thunder.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: tartarus250 on June 01, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
for goodness sake guy's i think you might be over analizing the songs a wee bit 5 of the best musicians on the planet still  together and making wonderful music and you are moaning and nit picking about how good the lyrics are? on the whole i think they do quite a good job especially after such a long career!! :tdwn
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
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Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2012, 01:14:49 PM

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Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: j on June 01, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
I don't think Outcry's lyrics are good at all, and not just the first verse either.  It's one of the weaker songs on the album, but I still enjoy listening to it.

-J
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2012, 01:46:51 PM
I like it, mostly because unlike Lost Not Forgotten and The Dark Eternal Night and songs like that this is actually about something important.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Jaffa on June 01, 2012, 02:01:09 PM
I don't think the lyrics are exactly great, but they've never stood out to me as bad.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Lowdz on June 01, 2012, 02:24:27 PM
I don't think the lyrics are exactly great, but they've never stood out to me as bad.

I don't go into a DT album expecting poet laureate type genius so I'm never disappointed by the lyrics. Unless they are totally awful I really don't care.

there are a couple of clumsy lines but nothing I would class as awful.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: njdtfan on June 01, 2012, 02:36:39 PM
This thread makes me wonder why we have a DT sub-forum.

To answer the OP question.................NO.

and Blob is 100% correct.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: tjanuranus on June 02, 2012, 12:22:47 PM
Nah, it's not that cheesy. There are some DT songs with subpar lyrics post Six Degrees, but not EVERY SINGLE SONG.  :millahhhh

If the par is lyrics from like Awake or something, then yes every album post 6D is sup par lyrically. In fact I can't think of a single song after 6D who's lyrics are anything more than "okay" at best.

These walls is fantastic.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Adami on June 02, 2012, 12:25:16 PM
They're okay. Not bad.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2012, 12:27:45 PM
shenanigans
I chuckled.
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: tjanuranus on June 02, 2012, 12:28:40 PM
They're okay. Not bad.

If a song can speak to you through lyrics it's very good. That's one for me
Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: olliemedsy on June 03, 2012, 05:41:50 AM
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Title: Re: The First Verse of Outcry
Post by: Metabog on June 04, 2012, 02:56:50 AM
Absolutely no. I think they are pretty good. Actually what's chessy and dumb about it?

Just, everything. Any song that starts talking about "the battle cry" or "the war to end all wars" is just cheesy to me. All that aside, it is a fantastic song. But that first verse just irks me.

I will never understand this.