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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: DT2003 on April 23, 2012, 01:21:48 PM
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So who else is going to this show? And when the hell is it gonna be listed? It seems like most (if not all) of the shows have been listed already on Ticketmaster/Live Nation, but not this one. Curious as to how much the tickets will be compared to the Long Island shows.
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Just called PNC ...the date is slotted but not confirmed with the promoter....Ticket scalping sites have VIP tickets (PNC sells seats for the entire season for all concerts in advance, these are VIP not to be confused with VIP tickets a band may offer) going for between $300 and $700 depending on the seat location
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I'm going to be pretty pissed off if they do not play there as I didn't get tickets to the Long Island shows b/c I planned on going to PNC. I wish bands would get everything figured out before tickets for any of the shows go on sale.
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Yea ive been searching every day for this to be listed. Holmdel is my home town and since its a saturday night, it makes a ton of sense for me to go to this show. I hope there arent issues with it. I will say I hate seeing DT here sinces its a big amphitheater and I would rather them play at like the Beacon THeater or something, but given that this is the show I can see easily, it better go on sale. Also I may be interested in the meet and greet package if they offer it for this concert.
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Yea ive been searching every day for this to be listed.
The Boston show isn't listed yet, either!
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Damm, these tickets are expensive (for the best ones anyway). I'll still be going but instead of 2 shows, I'll only be doing the PNC now (will have to sit out the Chester, PA show). :tdwn
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PNC $116 with service charges what the fuck are they smoking?
I haven't missed a tour in years but I just can't pay these prices anymore I'll wait till they offer the 4 pack on the lawn for $100 last time I did this they didn't come close to selling the place out and all lawn ticket holders were upgraded to seats ended up in the 200 section for no additional fee
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It still makes NO SENSE to me that they are even playing there. They will draw, what, three thousand...maybe four? It's crazy!
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PNC $116 with service charges what the fuck are they smoking?
I haven't missed a tour in years but I just can't pay these prices anymore I'll wait till they offer the 4 pack on the lawn for $100 last time I did this they didn't come close to selling the place out and all lawn ticket holders were upgraded to seats ended up in the 200 section for no additional fee
They had mud issues last time, but yeah, I'm kinda hoping for the same thing.
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PNC $116 with service charges what the fuck are they smoking?
I haven't missed a tour in years but I just can't pay these prices anymore I'll wait till they offer the 4 pack on the lawn for $100 last time I did this they didn't come close to selling the place out and all lawn ticket holders were upgraded to seats ended up in the 200 section for no additional fee
They had mud issues last time, but yeah, I'm kinda hoping for the same thing.
It was the day after Ozzfest last time and the lawn was torn up pretty bad, but I have been attending shows at the PNC for years little perk that not many are aware of , day of the show if you go to the box office window they will upgrade lawn seats to a seated section for a small fee usually $5-10, they would much rather have the amphitheater filled than have a band playing to 2000 seated fans and a full lawn
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^- this is true. They can upgrade you the day of and if it rains you will definitely want to do that. So I'm assuming this date is on Ticketmaster now.
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I've been a fan since 1993 and since then I have not missed a single tour in which DT has headlined. That said, I absolutely refuse to pay that price to see them. I love DT but I'm sorry their show IS NOT worth $120 (after they tack on even additional fees). Maybe back in the days when they would play 3+ hour shows, but now when they are playing 2 hour shows and not even changing up the setlist that is absolutely ridiculous. Sorry but I think I'm going to have to pass on them this tour and that is something that I never thought I'd say.
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Yeah, much as I love them, that is an insane amount of money to see them.
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If the PNC was "smart" they wouldn't even sell lawn seats for this show. There's no reason that the 100-200 section shouldn't be $69, while the 300 section $49 and the 400 section $39. They'd get so many more people to go. Instead, they inflate the prices and piss off the people who want to go and sit good. Well, I've decided to just go for the 300 section (should be about $30-$40 cheaper in total - have to get 3 tickets) for the PNC show, and then try and get a single great seat for the Chester, Pa show (top price is "only" $69).
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^- this is true. They can upgrade you the day of and if it rains you will definitely want to do that. So I'm assuming this date is on Ticketmaster now.
Presale for Citicard holders is tomorrow General sale to the public starts Saturday I believe
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I don't see a meet and greet package listed for this show. Does anyone know if there is plans for one. That very much effects my decision. I am only paying the 116 price if i can land top notch seats.
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I'm beyond pissed off at these prices. I was looking forward to seeing them there figuring with them playing a venue that size it would be easy to get real good seats and I assumed they would be reasonably priced so that they could sell a lot of tickets. At that price, they are not going to sell well at all.
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I was just thinking... when they played asbury park a couple years ago, that place was empty and that was for prognątion. This concert may be the empties I've ever been too and it's going to make me depressed just like asbury park did.
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We'll see at 10:00 today. I'm not paying $116 to see a "Portnoy-less" Dream Theater. I'll see what the next price level will get me (probably 300's, but maybe back rows of first section). I love Mangini, and he does a great job, but without the ever changing set lists and without MP (in my estimation, the greatest "live" drummer in the business), I just can't see paying top dollar.
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We'll see at 10:00 today. I'm not paying $116 to see a "Portnoy-less" Dream Theater. I'll see what the next price level will get me (probably 300's, but maybe back rows of first section). I love Mangini, and he does a great job, but without the ever changing set lists and without MP (in my estimation, the greatest "live" drummer in the business), I just can't see paying top dollar.
I can understand not paying the high price, but I think you aren't giving any credit to how good MM is live. I was very impressed by him at the NYC show.
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We'll see at 10:00 today. I'm not paying $116 to see a "Portnoy-less" Dream Theater. I'll see what the next price level will get me (probably 300's, but maybe back rows of first section). I love Mangini, and he does a great job, but without the ever changing set lists and without MP (in my estimation, the greatest "live" drummer in the business), I just can't see paying top dollar.
I can understand not paying the high price, but I think you aren't giving any credit to how good MM is live. I was very impressed by him at the NYC show.
Saw them 3 times on the first leg and yes, MM is VERY GOOD! He's just not MP!
BTW, got section 103 Row S for the PNC show. Total of $94.40 per ticket.
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Cool I see they did fix the pricing by adding more tiers but the highest and lowest are the same.
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We'll see at 10:00 today. I'm not paying $116 to see a "Portnoy-less" Dream Theater. I'll see what the next price level will get me (probably 300's, but maybe back rows of first section). I love Mangini, and he does a great job, but without the ever changing set lists and without MP (in my estimation, the greatest "live" drummer in the business), I just can't see paying top dollar.
I can understand not paying the high price, but I think you aren't giving any credit to how good MM is live. I was very impressed by him at the NYC show.
Saw them 3 times on the first leg and yes, MM is VERY GOOD! He's just not MP!
BTW, got section 103 Row S for the PNC show. Total of $94.40 per ticket.
Citicard pre-sale?
or Livenation presale ? if livenation, know what the code is ?
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^ I got them with a citicard pre-sale. I didn't receive anything from Live Nation announcing their own pre-sale. Have you decided to go?
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So they are offering the VIP packages for this show, but ny buddy who wanted to do the meet and greet with new is likely unable to make it to this show now. Now ill likely just get a lawn ticket for myself.
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Got a ticket this morning section 103 row J seat 137 right on the aisle
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^ nice...I'll see you there! :tup
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so are they not selling Lawn tickets?
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I've been a fan since 1993 and since then I have not missed a single tour in which DT has headlined. That said, I absolutely refuse to pay that price to see them. I love DT but I'm sorry their show IS NOT worth $120 (after they tack on even additional fees). Maybe back in the days when they would play 3+ hour shows, but now when they are playing 2 hour shows and not even changing up the setlist that is absolutely ridiculous. Sorry but I think I'm going to have to pass on them this tour and that is something that I never thought I'd say.
I know. I haven't missed one since 97, and I am heartbroken. Like others said, maybe I'll take a chance on lawn and upgrade.
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so are they not selling Lawn tickets?
Nope ...doesn't look like they offering lawns seats this time around, considering the seated area is 7000 seats which they will never come close to filling, they are not offering lawn
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If you look at the Live Nation availability chart, there's much more seats available than seats sold. This may be embarrassing!
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It sucks to say but you are right. This will be embarrassing.
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They should have just booked the show at the Paramount theater again. I got a feeling if they keep drawing this poorly in NJ they may start to skip us on future tours figuring we could always make the trek to NYC
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Is it completely up to the venue when they set the prices, or does the band get some say in it? Years ago, I heard that Garth Brooks made sure his tickets were $20 so that everyone got to see him.
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They should have just booked the show at the Paramount theater again. I got a feeling if they keep drawing this poorly in NJ they may start to skip us on future tours figuring we could always make the trek to NYC
Very true. I actually thought that they'd play in AC or maybe Red Bank, but as soon as I heard PNC, I sadi "WTF" :facepalm: I have a feeling that grammy nod went to the promoters head. I would not be the least bit surprised if this show gets moved or cancelled.
It stinks because we all know how great DT are, but they just don't have the "juice" to fill up a place like this. People are always going to point to the Radio City show, but that was a 1 time anniversarry event.
This is a band, here in the states, that HAS to play 2,000-3,000 capacity venues. There's just no getting around it.
And, I think Bill (WKIML) has hit it on the head. I'd be shocked if they continue to play in NJ. Aside from the show in Morristown in '11, no show in NJ has sold well for DT since '06.
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Is it completely up to the venue when they set the prices, or does the band get some say in it? Years ago, I heard that Garth Brooks made sure his tickets were $20 so that everyone got to see him.
An artist can negotiate into the contract anything they like, but the more picky they become the less money they can command. For example, if DT charges their normal fee etc then the venue will set the prices and be responsible for making that money. However, if DT comes in and says that tickets can be no more than $50 then the promoter would be in a position to say that with less money coming in that DT has to play for less money.
So while Dream Theater typically doesn't directly set prices, they can try a mass market approach that will work for some artists. Garth Brooks is a popular star, so if he sets prices low you know that you'll have everyone and their brother coming to the shows buying merch and drinks and such at the venue and no one will really be at too much of a loss. On the other hand that would never work for a band like Dream Theater simply because of how their demand curve is shaped. You have a lot of hardcore fans, very few casual fans, and minimal mainstream exposure. What this means is they can either get an average of $75 a ticket and have 2,000 people, or an average of $25 a ticket and have 2,500 people. Until Dream Theater really starts breaking in the mainstream it doesn't make sense to try the latter approach, for now they (and the venues setting the final prices) are living off the hardcore fans for better or worse.
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They should have just booked the show at the Paramount theater again. I got a feeling if they keep drawing this poorly in NJ they may start to skip us on future tours figuring we could always make the trek to NYC
Very true. I actually thought that they'd play in AC or maybe Red Bank, but as soon as I heard PNC, I sadi "WTF" :facepalm: I have a feeling that grammy nod went to the promoters head. I would not be the least bit surprised if this show gets moved or cancelled.
It stinks because we all know how great DT are, but they just don't have the "juice" to fill up a place like this. People are always going to point to the Radio City show, but that was a 1 time anniversarry event.
This is a band, here in the states, that HAS to play 2,000-3,000 capacity venues. There's just no getting around it.
And, I think Bill (WKIML) has hit it on the head. I'd be shocked if they continue to play in NJ. Aside from the show in Morristown in '11, no show in NJ has sold well for DT since '06.
I would love to see them at a place like Star land Ballroom. Smaller but more intimate and they could sell it out with higher prices most likely. The problem with playing NJ is that NYC is so close north and Philly is so close south thatNJ people a lot of times have choices and sometimes the NJ isn't as attractive. I hope they don't cancel or skip NJ in the future but I can always make it to NYC. From ny experiences, the NYC shows have always been better too.
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As of today, only 1,928 seats have been sold out of the 7,000 available seats for this show! :facepalm: I can't believe this show hasn't been moved to a different venue yet! I just hope they don't cancel the show outright! :tdwn
It's amazing how the bands' popularity has dwindled in the last few years in places like Philly & NJ! I'm sure MP leaving has hurt, but it was actually going downhill since the Systematic Chaos tour.
Small theatres are where they should be playing, unfortunately.
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Damn. Well I haven't bought my ticket and i plan on going so that's one more to add... every bit counts.
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If they do move the show I hope its somewhere else in Monmouth/Middlesex (Paramount theater?) I only bought the ticket because PNC is convienent for me, If I have to take a hike to Bergen/Mercer than I'll just get a refund
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^ I would absolutely think that if they do move the show it would either be to Red Bank or Asbury Park. That's just my guess though.
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^ I would absolutely think that if they do move the show it would either be to Red Bank or Asbury Park. That's just my guess though.
Convention Hall and Count Bassie are both already booked for July 14th
Paramount and Stone Pony don't have any shows posted for July 14th yet, but that doesn't mean there isn't something in the works that just hasn't been finalized
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While the Stone Pony is kind of a dump, I would love to see dt there just cause its a small venue and would be really intimate. Is there any historical reference of shows being moved like this?
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While the Stone Pony is kind of a dump, I would love to see dt there just cause its a small venue and would be really intimate. Is there any historical reference of shows being moved like this?
Stone Pony Summer Stage outside is an awesome place to see a show , too my knowledge I don't think a DT NJ show has ever been moved (Constant Motion tour they moved the people seated in the lawn to actual seats in the venue (PNC)) but with no lawn seats being available for this show have no idea what they would do.
Local Radio here (WRAT) in the past has promoted the shows on the air, but have not heard a single mention of it this time around
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How embarrassing do you think it would be to the band if the arts center is only 1/3 full when they come on stage? I'll never forget how embarrassing it was when JLB headlined the Starland Ballroom in Sayreville, NJ and 48 people showed up! :facepalm:
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How embarrassing do you think it would be to the band if the arts center is only 1/3 full when they come on stage? I'll never forget how embarrassing it was when JLB headlined the Starland Ballroom in Sayreville, NJ and 48 people showed up! :facepalm:
I'm still super pissed I missed that show.
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That is a shame. Well being in North jersey, if they move the show anywhere i will still be there.
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They released good seats yesterday and although I said I wouldn't pay those prices, I couldn't pass up 8th row dead center so I got 2 tickets. Still seats in that same row available if anyone is on the fence. BTW, Zombie and Megadeth played PNC last month and I want to say that show sold no better than this one.
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They put the rest of the row I already have a ticket for on sale only difference is those now available are alittle closer to center, not worth buying anothe one .
Also according to Wikipedia there are 7,000 seats in the Center itself (another 10,000 on the lawn) , Live nation has 3,826 tickets still available almost half full , with a month still to go . I can't think of another venue in the area that could support a show drawing 3500-4000 people
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They released good seats yesterday and although I said I wouldn't pay those prices, I couldn't pass up 8th row dead center so I got 2 tickets. Still seats in that same row available if anyone is on the fence. BTW, Zombie and Megadeth played PNC last month and I want to say that show sold no better than this one.
Hey there neighbor.
Looking forward to seeing ya'll at the show. :)
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Anyone doing a meet up? This is likely the first concert I'm attending by myself.
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PNC is good for tailgaiting, it's a Saturday so I'll definitely be there early, we should definitely get people together.
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Im down to get there alittle early they usually don't open the lot until 2 hours prior though 7:30 show gates around 5 5:30
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Live nation has 3,826 tickets still available
Hey Bill, did you count seat by seat? :rollin
By the way, I have an extra ticket now. One of my son's who was going with me and my buddy can't go any longer, so I have an extra seat. If anyone wants a single in section 103 row S seat 109 at 25% off cost $94 ($70) let me know.
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It's amazing how the bands' popularity has dwindled in the last few years in places like Philly & NJ! I'm sure MP leaving has hurt, but it was actually going downhill since the Systematic Chaos tour.
You could attribute this to the fact that the show changed with Progressive Nation; other bands and then DT with only a 2 hour show as opposed to the Evening With.. tours. But I do believe that if the ticket prices were lower, a lot more people would be going.
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If they sold 3000 tickets then I think that's not bad at all for DT. I just think PNC is too big of a venue for them unless they bring a more well known opener with them.
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If they sold 3000 tickets then I think that's not bad at all for DT. I just think PNC is too big of a venue for them unless they bring a more well known opener with them.
According to the live nation website doing rough math they sold about 3200 seats
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I come up with a little over 2,800 tickets sold, but who's counting :rollin
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I have an extra ticket. If anyone wants a single in section 103 row S seat 109 for $50 let me know.
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i still need to buy tickets for this. so add 2 or 3 to that number :lol
i wish they would still play wallingford, ct like they always did. oh well
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I will be going and coming with a few other people, but that really sucks they aren't selling lawn seats. Will be bringing a friend who I turned onto DT last year and has not seem them live yet.
I would prefer if they played at starland ballroom. That would be awesome.
And in response to that other poster's reply about JLB's show at Starland, there were really only like 48 people there??
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And in response to that other poster's reply about JLB's show at Starland, there were really only like 48 people there??
Yep, it was so sad, but the band still gave a GREAT performance. :hefdaddy
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I wish I got to see that.
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o man, now i feel terrible haha
i live only like 20 minutes away, i should've been there
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DT posted on Facebook they are giving away a meet and greet package for this show if you pass the trivia test via text message. I hope I win.
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DT posted on Facebook they are giving away a meet and greet package for this show if you pass the trivia test via text message. I hope I win.
i did that last week. the questions werent that bad. but i have no idea when they would award tickets
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so are they still not selling lawn seats for this show? what are the cheapest tickets available if so?
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No lawn tickets.
You should just buy the cheapest tickets in the 400 sections on the sides (I'm sure you'll be able to move down to a much better location). To whatever promoter booked this show...I have a couple of "Bridges in the Sky" to sell you!
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I plan on buying the cheapest ticket at the box office the day of the show. Its not going to sell out so no worries there.
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I knew they wouldn't be able to sell too well at a place this big but I'm completely shocked at how poorly this show has sold. If you look on Live Nation it's pretty sad to see how many seats (good seats) are still available. I bought 8th row seats dead center a few weeks ago and there have been a couple of times since then that better seats than that popped up. It's pretty damn frustrating.
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yeah man, they should be playing starland ballroom
would be such a great place to watch them play
that place can hold roughly 2500 i believe, can someone correct me on that if i am wrong
they could get away with charging roughly 30 to 40 a ticket
75,000 to 100,000
i know the band doesn't get all that but still
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yeah man, they should be playing starland ballroom
would be such a great place to watch them play
that place can hold roughly 2500 i believe, can someone correct me on that if i am wrong
they could get away with charging roughly 30 to 40 a ticket
75,000 to 100,000
i know the band doesn't get all that but still
Pretty good guess MAX capacity is 2200....
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Had someone bail on me, listing is on eBay cheap for a meet and greet..........StateofGrace.
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So pre-meet in the parking lot or what?
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Yup, don't know what time I'll be there, but I'll certainly be tracking you down. For the record:
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/Holmdel2010.jpg)
Wkiml is 2nd from left and I'm far right.
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So pre-meet in the parking lot or what?
I'll be there at 5:30 Bill, so I'll be looking for you! Usually don't see you until either inside the theater or after the show! :facepalm:
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So pre-meet in the parking lot or what?
I'll be there at 5:30 Bill, so I'll be looking for you! Usually don't see you until either inside the theater or after the show! :facepalm:
smaller than usual crowd so we should be easy to find
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Hey guys, I'm flying solo tomorrow. Is there going to be a meet up? If so should i bring some beers?
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Hey guys, I'm flying solo tomorrow. Is there going to be a meet up? If so should i bring some beers?
Been asking myself the same (sans the beer) small enough crowd I might just bring a bedsheet with DTF meet here and hang it from my soccer mom van
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I gotta assume with the small crowd that parking in the main lot wouldn't be a problem so it shouldn't be hard to walk around and find people. I just wouldn't know what to look for so i guess a bed sheet would work. Never been to a meet up or met anyone from an online forum before.
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Nick and I will both be there and our photo is a couple of replies up
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OK ill try to find you guys but its not always easy picking people out of the crowd.
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I'll be wearing the following shirt
https://www.eumeria.com/
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Anyone on the fence about this show, there are seats available on Live Nation right now in the 2nd row in one of the center sections. Makes me wish I had held out longer but I guess I can't complain with my seats. I cannot believe how poorly this show has sold based on what Live Nation shows as still available. I hope the band doesn't get embarrassed that the place isn't even close to half full. Heck I'd say it's not even going to be 1/4 of the way full :(
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Well im not sure what you mean by on the fence, but yea, the place is going to be empty which sucks.
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I was saying if anyone was on the fence about going, the seats available right now might put them over the edge. I missed a couple of words... must be too excited for the show and not thinking. LOL
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Oh, yea theres definitely great seats available, the problem is it is over priced. I've paid a lot less to be up close for DT before. Ill be buying a cheap seat for this concert at the box office later, since it'll be empty, I figured Ill just relax in the back and enjoy the show.
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Yup, don't know what time I'll be there, but I'll certainly be tracking you down. For the record:
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/Holmdel2010.jpg)
Wkiml is 2nd from left and I'm far right.
Im 3rd in from the right! \m/ oh man i cant wait for today. its going to be good. If your going to be there tail gating. try to check up on this thread. we got a few people to tailgate with. nothing big tho
:metal
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I'll be there with Redkloud. Doing the hang in the parking lot thing as well. I hear the set list is pretty good for this tour so I'm excited. DT show number 8 for me.
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This will be my 9th dt show, all since i came a fan in 2005. Ill be leaving in a bit. I have an iron maiden shirt on
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A lot of us are in row "N Main C". So come to the end and chill.
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This opening band is doing an amazing job of trolling the shit out of everyone in the audience.
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Wow what a show! I think i like this set even more than last tour. Labrie was ON POINT!!! Can't wait for thursday.
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Awesome show, I paid 45 for a ticket in section 403 before the concert and when i got in, I was offered a ticket in section 103, 11 rows from the stage, for free.
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Awesome show, I paid 45 for a ticket in section 403 before the concert and when i got in, I was offered a ticket in section 103, 11 rows from the stage, for free.
that was really awesome of the venue to move us up for free :metal
Also AMAZING show and a lot of good company. Heres one from inbetween bands:
(https://i.imgur.com/1Uub7.jpg)
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It was cool meeting you all today. The show was sick! And it was awesome we all got moved into the same row practically. Awesome seat upgrade! Great set, good times.
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GREAT performance (no shock there)! :hefdaddy
Billy K, it was good to see and hang with you before the show!
My 34th DT show since '96 and it was right up there with all the others. Never have seen a bad performance from DT...EVER!
I still miss MP, but that's my cross to bare! :facepalm:
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I hated how the security was very strict with pictures. I moved to the back and was able to get all of Metropolis (minus the first 10-20 seconds) on video, here's the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbe7GDgjzg4&feature=youtu.be
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Yeah, great show! Security were being pricks about the cameras. I was able to get some pretty good shots with mine and could have gotten a bunch more until they came over telling me to put the camera down. I even said to the one lady (white shirt with headset on) that my camera doesn't have a flash, and she told me that the "Band doesn't want pictures". I couldn't believe that. I've been a fan since 1989 and not once have I heard that one. Then again, this is one of the first times I actually brought a good camera. Anyway, I managed (along with many others) taken some good ones here and there. I was on an isle seat, 6th row center stage, so security was patrolling back and forth.
(https://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz59/drstrangenote/DT/P1400204.jpg)
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My first DT concert!! Loved it! What an amazing performance :hefdaddy
I was in section 103, left-center, about 10-15 rows back.
The 2 hour drive from Danbury CT was totally worth it! :metal
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Yeah, great show! Security were being pricks about the cameras. I was able to get some pretty good shots with mine and could have gotten a bunch more until they came over telling me to put the camera down. I even said to the one lady (white shirt with headset on) that my camera doesn't have a flash, and she told me that the "Band doesn't want pictures". I couldn't believe that. I've been a fan since 1989 and not once have I heard that one. Then again, this is one of the first times I actually brought a good camera. Anyway, I managed (along with many others) taken some good ones here and there. I was on an isle seat, 6th row center stage, so security was patrolling back and forth.
(https://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz59/drstrangenote/DT/P1400204.jpg)
Nice Pic, I couldn't believe how strict they were.
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so how was the turnout?
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so how was the turnout?
shit poor. JLB actually made a joke saying like the venue was not very known. It was pretty funny. But i honestly dont seeing them returning to PNC unless theyre doing a festival or something.
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so how was the turnout?
shit poor. JLB actually made a joke saying like the venue was not very known. It was pretty funny. But i honestly dont seeing them returning to PNC unless theyre doing a festival or something.
The lower level was filled due to the event staff moving everyone up, so close to the stage looked decent, but the entire 300/400 levels were empty. I grew up in Holmdel and my high school graduation was at PNC Bank Arts Center, and there were much more people for that.
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I did feel bad for the band. There people who chose to sit way back and have a whole to themselves (which I do understand), but those of us closer to the stage made sure to make up for the lack of people with loud cheering. I think DT enjoyed their night.
I looked for who I thought could be forum members in the parking lot before going in, but no luck.
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Yeah, great show! Security were being pricks about the cameras. I was able to get some pretty good shots with mine and could have gotten a bunch more until they came over telling me to put the camera down. I even said to the one lady (white shirt with headset on) that my camera doesn't have a flash, and she told me that the "Band doesn't want pictures". I couldn't believe that. I've been a fan since 1989 and not once have I heard that one. Then again, this is one of the first times I actually brought a good camera. Anyway, I managed (along with many others) taken some good ones here and there. I was on an isle seat, 6th row center stage, so security was patrolling back and forth.
Sorry but you are mistaken about security. Security was actually as nice as could be given the circumstances. For some reason ever since MP left the band, DT does not allow pictures at their concerts. I was two rows behind you (aisle seat, center stage 8th row) and that same lady came to me and was as polite as could be. I have been to 3 DT shows since MP left the band and at all 3 security said that the band gave strict orders that pictures were not allowed. At all three they also apologized saying that the venue would have no problem allowing pictures if not ordered otherwise. At one show people even got thrown out for taking pictures. I love DT but I think it's such bullshit that everyone is blaming security when DT are the ones demanding that pictures not be taken. I have been to PNC numberous times and there has never been once until last night that pictures were not allowed.
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This was my 26th DT show since 1994. They did sound great and played tight. But i was really surprised on how disengaged they were with the crowd. The whole band was set up atleast 20 feet away from the front row. JP maybe came up front about 6 times throughout the whole show. James came up more often. I have been to so many shows where JP basically plays the whole show in front of the audience, was just a bit disappointed. Just felt like they were playing for themselves and not so much for the small audience.
Again, the security were being huge pricks last night. I had a 4th row ticket and moved up to front row when the show started (since it was pretty empty). He singled me out and made me go back but left everyone that went up there to stay.
I also think the light turnout is that they are overplaying the area this week. 2 dates on LI and next saturday in Atlantic City. If they just did the one LI gig, im sure PNC would of been mostly filled in the seated area.
Just my 2 cents
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Yeah, great show! Security were being pricks about the cameras. I was able to get some pretty good shots with mine and could have gotten a bunch more until they came over telling me to put the camera down. I even said to the one lady (white shirt with headset on) that my camera doesn't have a flash, and she told me that the "Band doesn't want pictures". I couldn't believe that. I've been a fan since 1989 and not once have I heard that one. Then again, this is one of the first times I actually brought a good camera. Anyway, I managed (along with many others) taken some good ones here and there. I was on an isle seat, 6th row center stage, so security was patrolling back and forth.
Sorry but you are mistaken about security. Security was actually as nice as could be given the circumstances. For some reason ever since MP left the band, DT does not allow pictures at their concerts. I was two rows behind you (aisle seat, center stage 8th row) and that same lady came to me and was as polite as could be. I have been to 3 DT shows since MP left the band and at all 3 security said that the band gave strict orders that pictures were not allowed. At all three they also apologized saying that the venue would have no problem allowing pictures if not ordered otherwise. At one show people even got thrown out for taking pictures. I love DT but I think it's such bullshit that everyone is blaming security when DT are the ones demanding that pictures not be taken. I have been to PNC numberous times and there has never been once until last night that pictures were not allowed.
The last four times I saw DT (beacon theater twice, msg, and pnc) they had no problem with me taking pictures and clips with my phone.
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Yeah, great show! Security were being pricks about the cameras. I was able to get some pretty good shots with mine and could have gotten a bunch more until they came over telling me to put the camera down. I even said to the one lady (white shirt with headset on) that my camera doesn't have a flash, and she told me that the "Band doesn't want pictures". I couldn't believe that. I've been a fan since 1989 and not once have I heard that one. Then again, this is one of the first times I actually brought a good camera. Anyway, I managed (along with many others) taken some good ones here and there. I was on an isle seat, 6th row center stage, so security was patrolling back and forth.
Sorry but you are mistaken about security. Security was actually as nice as could be given the circumstances. For some reason ever since MP left the band, DT does not allow pictures at their concerts. I was two rows behind you (aisle seat, center stage 8th row) and that same lady came to me and was as polite as could be. I have been to 3 DT shows since MP left the band and at all 3 security said that the band gave strict orders that pictures were not allowed. At all three they also apologized saying that the venue would have no problem allowing pictures if not ordered otherwise. At one show people even got thrown out for taking pictures. I love DT but I think it's such bullshit that everyone is blaming security when DT are the ones demanding that pictures not be taken. I have been to PNC numberous times and there has never been once until last night that pictures were not allowed.
The last four times I saw DT (beacon theater twice, msg, and pnc) they had no problem with me taking pictures and clips with my phone.
Same here. No problem taking pictures at the Columbus and Cleveland shows on this current leg of the tour. I took several pictures while several staff at both shows were standing not ten feet from me and seemed to not care.
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Well I can only go by the shows I was at and at all 3 shows the venues explicitly said it was the bands orders that pictures were not allowed. And in 2 of the 3 venues, I attend seversal shows and was NEVER told at any other show that pictures weren't allowed.
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Was great seeing you folks at the show, and it was fantastic. I was pleasantly surprised with how good the Projekt was.
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I met Pirate LePond once. Didn't get a picture though.
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This was my 26th DT show since 1994. They did sound great and played tight. But i was really surprised on how disengaged they were with the crowd. The whole band was set up atleast 20 feet away from the front row. JP maybe came up front about 6 times throughout the whole show. James came up more often. I have been to so many shows where JP basically plays the whole show in front of the audience, was just a bit disappointed. Just felt like they were playing for themselves and not so much for the small audience.
Again, the security were being huge pricks last night. I had a 4th row ticket and moved up to front row when the show started (since it was pretty empty). He singled me out and made me go back but left everyone that went up there to stay.
I also think the light turnout is that they are overplaying the area this week. 2 dates on LI and next saturday in Atlantic City. If they just did the one LI gig, im sure PNC would of been mostly filled in the seated area.
Just my 2 cents
Interestingly, I spoke to John after the show about the venue and the sound. He said PNC is weird in that he felt "detached" from the crowd due to the size and configuration of the stage. So the feeling of isolation appears to have been a 2-way disconnect.
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Yeah, great show! Security were being pricks about the cameras. I was able to get some pretty good shots with mine and could have gotten a bunch more until they came over telling me to put the camera down. I even said to the one lady (white shirt with headset on) that my camera doesn't have a flash, and she told me that the "Band doesn't want pictures". I couldn't believe that. I've been a fan since 1989 and not once have I heard that one. Then again, this is one of the first times I actually brought a good camera. Anyway, I managed (along with many others) taken some good ones here and there. I was on an isle seat, 6th row center stage, so security was patrolling back and forth.
Sorry but you are mistaken about security. Security was actually as nice as could be given the circumstances. For some reason ever since MP left the band, DT does not allow pictures at their concerts. I was two rows behind you (aisle seat, center stage 8th row) and that same lady came to me and was as polite as could be. I have been to 3 DT shows since MP left the band and at all 3 security said that the band gave strict orders that pictures were not allowed. At all three they also apologized saying that the venue would have no problem allowing pictures if not ordered otherwise. At one show people even got thrown out for taking pictures. I love DT but I think it's such bullshit that everyone is blaming security when DT are the ones demanding that pictures not be taken. I have been to PNC numberous times and there has never been once until last night that pictures were not allowed.
That same lady said to me, "enough with the pictures already", and started making faces and shaking her head. I looked at her making sure it was me she was referring to before I put the camera down and said, that my camera doesn't have a flash. It clearly states on the PNC Bank Arts Center website, that personal cameras are allowed, no Flash photography or detachable lens cameras permitted. My camera was allowed in, it doesn't have a detachable lens but takes killer shots. Otherwise I would have never brought it in, like I never have before.
Now, if there was an issue with pictures and if Dream Theater or a spokes person would have stated that upfront, I would have no problem at all honoring that request out of pure respect for the band and their wishes. I did, however, stop taking pictures, not because of that lady and her remarks about those pictures that I was getting, but because another security fella came to me after I caught a few good ones intermittently and said, 'come on man, just please put down the camera". After that, I did for most of the show. I snapped a few of memorable shots such as when JR walked upfront with his synth, and JM and JP next to each other up front and some other randoms. Aside from that, other people nearby were getting pics on their cell phones pretty much all night long. Security would shine the flashlights on them until they stopped doing it. I could understand if the band didn't want the flashes in their faces and all, but fans just getting memories, that's just insane to enforce that. You say that DT is the ones demanding pictures not to be taken. Did you read or hear that from them, or the venue?
Again, in all my years of going to shows, not once have I heard that the band didn't want to be photographed. With or without MP being there or not. If that is the case, I'd like to know for sure rather than some made up policy from the venue.
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Here are two more from last night:
(https://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz59/drstrangenote/DT/P1400206.jpg)
(https://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz59/drstrangenote/DT/P1400227.jpg)
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Two more:
(https://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz59/drstrangenote/DT/P1400208.jpg)
John's fingers were going so fast, the camera couldn't keep up!
(https://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz59/drstrangenote/DT/P1400188.jpg)
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The pictures problem has happened to me at every concert I've been to in a seating venue the last couple of years, ranging from Roger Waters to Dream Theater to Chris Daughtry heh
And never had a problem with taking pictures at stadium type places that has general admission area, ranging from Green Day to Trans-Siberian Orchestra to Metallica to Rammstein. Green Day being a band that has actually publicly expressed their dismay with photography at their live shows. And these stadiums don't just permit picture taking in the GA section but also in their seating sections, they just don't have instructions to prevent it.
So long story short I think it's a venue thing.
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I'd be willing to go along with that if it were an isolated incident, but at all of the shows we went to last week we saw peeps getting away with taking pics but a lot more were hassled about it. So... that leads me to believe that it's NOT a venue thing.
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I don't mind when photos are not allowed. That means I won't have to look through and around dozens of cameras that are being held up in the air in front of me. Is it DT or the venue? I don't know nor do I care. This is straight from DT.net:
"Do not take photos during the concert as most venues don't allow photography during shows." A few lines down, we read this:
"Again, no more photos of the band onstage, please; we have so many good ones already. And be sure to respect house rules when taking photos inside every venue, if we want to keep this going, thanks."
That's 2 requests from DT's official site to not take pics of the band during concerts. Looks like DT does have a hand in this.
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I don't mind when photos are not allowed. That means I won't have to look through and around dozens of cameras that are being held up in the air in front of me. Is it DT or the venue? I don't know nor do I care. This is straight from DT.net:
"Do not take photos during the concert as most venues don't allow photography during shows." A few lines down, we read this:
"Again, no more photos of the band onstage, please; we have so many good ones already. And be sure to respect house rules when taking photos inside every venue, if we want to keep this going, thanks."
That's 2 requests from DT's official site to not take pics of the band during concerts. Looks like DT does have a hand in this.
Warning: Cranky agreement advisory.
Have to agree with this. I know everyone thinks their concert pictures are special, but really, no. Every picture that I see submitted I have seen 2,000,000 times by 2,000,000 fans. Not to mention the pros. There are only so many combinations and permutations of a guy on a stage wincing while he plays his guitar or drums. I don't need to see any more of these, they are all the same, just a different dude pressing the exposure button.
And I know you went to the show. And your friends really don't care. So we don't need the forensic evidence. And I certainly don't need your dopey Iphone being held up in the air blocking my view of the show.
I do think some of this is the result of the proliferation of higher quality phones and cameras that take HD video. I don't think it's the amateur-hour snap shots that are the main concern. I think it's the video. If millions of fans are shooting hi-def concert footage and plastering it all over social media, then what value does a band release have?
I run with a Canon EOS 5D2 and lots of wide angle L-glass. If I were to shoot DT shows with this camera, the quality of the video, even in my amateur hands, would be fantastic. If we're all shooting this and releasing it everywhere in the universe, the overall value of concert video footage would drop. I could go online, assemble various HD footage taken by a hundred fans, download into Symphony, add some effects and titles, and come up with a surprisingly professional looking video and stick it on Facebook. Multiply this by millions of fans and voila, another income stream for live musicians is down the you-tube.
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got it, thanks! that's all i needed to read.
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I hated how the security was very strict with pictures. I moved to the back and was able to get all of Metropolis (minus the first 10-20 seconds) on video, here's the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbe7GDgjzg4&feature=youtu.be
Pictures they didn't have a problem with it was video (its against the venue policy) I took well over 100 pictures have to get the best ones and I'll post them tonight or tomorrow
I was in section 103 in front of Myung
JP actually looked my way a couple of times and actually stop for me to snap of a picture, James on the other hand seem to spin away each time my camera came up
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I hated how the security was very strict with pictures. I moved to the back and was able to get all of Metropolis (minus the first 10-20 seconds) on video, here's the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbe7GDgjzg4&feature=youtu.be
Pictures they didn't have a problem with it was video (its against the venue policy) I took well over 100 pictures have to get the best ones and I'll post them tonight or tomorrow
You were obviously in a place where they weren't enforcing it as much then b/c near where I was, if they as much as saw someone lift the camera up, they went over to them and told them to put it down.
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I had one of the guards ask me to stop shooting video (even though I wasn't since I was using a high ISO so my cameras takes a few seconds to focus) I showed her how the camera worked and she was content pretty much left me alone the rest of the night
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I was initially in section 103 and i was told not to use my camera after being caught. Towards the end of the show I moved to the back where no one was to get the video. A few people commented on the video saying they were glad someone got a decent video. I usually only take a couple clips for my personal collection, but i figured if i got a whole song, I could share it since i didn't think anyone else would get one. I know i go to YouTube after concerts to see parts of it and different angles.
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Again, in all my years of going to shows, not once have I heard that the band didn't want to be photographed. With or without MP being there or not. If that is the case, I'd like to know for sure rather than some made up policy from the venue.
I have been to 25 DT concerts...
In the 22 I went to prior to MP's departure, pictures were allowed at every one of them with the exception of the two shows that were being professionally recorded (Score & LSFNY)
In the 3 I have been to since then, pictures were not allowed and in all three cases the venue said their policy is to allow pictures but the band didn't allow it. And at 2 of those 3 venues I had seen DT there previously and pictures were allowed.
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I hated how the security was very strict with pictures. I moved to the back and was able to get all of Metropolis (minus the first 10-20 seconds) on video, here's the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbe7GDgjzg4&feature=youtu.be
Pictures they didn't have a problem with it was video (its against the venue policy) I took well over 100 pictures have to get the best ones and I'll post them tonight or tomorrow
You were obviously in a place where they weren't enforcing it as much then b/c near where I was, if they as much as saw someone lift the camera up, they went over to them and told them to put it down.
So then I guess it's DT who's against pictures from only certain angles and sections :lol :facepalm:
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I was initially in section 103 and i was told not to use my camera after being caught. Towards the end of the show I moved to the back where no one was to get the video. A few people commented on the video saying they were glad someone got a decent video. I usually only take a couple clips for my personal collection, but i figured if i got a whole song, I could share it since i didn't think anyone else would get one. I know i go to YouTube after concerts to see parts of it and different angles.
This is what I mean. The venue says no video, the band says no video, and you just violate the band's wishes, shoot your video, and plan to post it to social media. Why would you do that?
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Again, in all my years of going to shows, not once have I heard that the band didn't want to be photographed. With or without MP being there or not. If that is the case, I'd like to know for sure rather than some made up policy from the venue.
I have been to 25 DT concerts...
In the 22 I went to prior to MP's departure, pictures were allowed at every one of them with the exception of the two shows that were being professionally recorded (Score & LSFNY)
In the 3 I have been to since then, pictures were not allowed and in all three cases the venue said their policy is to allow pictures but the band didn't allow it. And at 2 of those 3 venues I had seen DT there previously and pictures were allowed.
That's interesting considering that there were pictures allowed at other shows on this tour and the first NA leg of the ADTOE tour. Its certainly not a consistent situation. I've seen three shows at Chicago (2011), Columbus (2012), and Cleveland (2012) where pictures were allowed. In Chicago, they didn't want flash photography or videos, but at the other two concerts, they could have cared less.
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Over here in Europe if any guideline came from the band, it was completely ignored by the venue's staffs :lol
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Over here in Europe if any guideline came from the band, it was completely ignored by the venue's staffs :lol
Exactly. When I saw them in Columbus earlier this tour, I was standing next to a 'VIP' section at the venue where a staff member for the venue was standing at the entrance of the entire night. When the Projekct was playing, I had asked him in addition to another staff member walking around about their photo/video policy for the night. I was told to "knock myself out." I was told something very similar two days later at the Cleveland show.
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I was initially in section 103 and i was told not to use my camera after being caught. Towards the end of the show I moved to the back where no one was to get the video. A few people commented on the video saying they were glad someone got a decent video. I usually only take a couple clips for my personal collection, but i figured if i got a whole song, I could share it since i didn't think anyone else would get one. I know i go to YouTube after concerts to see parts of it and different angles.
This is what I mean. The venue says no video, the band says no video, and you just violate the band's wishes, shoot your video, and plan to post it to social media. Why would you do that?
Because its a no harm no foul IMO. I'm not sure why the band is against it as there are millions of videos on YouTube. There are a couple thank yous on the video comments because people like myself like to see a part of the show they went to. If DT are worried that a crappy video will take away from buyers of their future DVD, then that is some extreme paranoia . If DT really has a problem, id have no problem removing the video, but i don't believe they do have a problem with it.
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I'd MUCH rather put up with peeps taking pics/shooting video than having peeps treat the concert as their little social hour (talking over the music all night long).
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I'd MUCH rather put up with peeps taking pics/shooting video than having peeps treat the concert as their little social hour (talking over the music all night long).
I don't think I've expereiced that. Usually the music is too loud I can't hear people talking, but who pays to go to a concert and just talk during the show?
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Because its a no harm no foul IMO. I'm not sure why the band is against it as there are millions of videos on YouTube. There are a couple thank yous on the video comments because people like myself like to see a part of the show they went to. If DT are worried that a crappy video will take away from buyers of their future DVD, then that is some extreme paranoia . If DT really has a problem, id have no problem removing the video, but i don't believe they do have a problem with it.
"Everybody does it". I got it. Very well, carry on. Post your, as you probably accurately describe it, "crappy video", to social media in violation of the band's wishes. By the way, picture this: You walk up to James after the show and the following dialogue ensues:
You: "Hi James, great show! Really enjoyed it. I know the rules say no video, but I got a complete video of "Breaking All Illusions". Do you mind if I post it to Youtube"?
James: Fill in what you think he would say.
If you are dense enough to think that the answer would be: "Sure no problem", then I have nothing further to add.
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I think all the bands are aware of that it is so hard to prevent people shot the clips from the shows. I can't imagine if bands or even DT have issues about that.
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I'd MUCH rather put up with peeps taking pics/shooting video than having peeps treat the concert as their little social hour (talking over the music all night long).
I don't think I've expereiced that. Usually the music is too loud I can't hear people talking, but who pays to go to a concert and just talk during the show?
It happens a LOT here in Austin - didn't notice it too much at all of the DT shows or Opeth, but yeah... these peeps like to congregate and socialize all while peeps like me are trying to enjoy the show. :facepalm:
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Because its a no harm no foul IMO. I'm not sure why the band is against it as there are millions of videos on YouTube. There are a couple thank yous on the video comments because people like myself like to see a part of the show they went to. If DT are worried that a crappy video will take away from buyers of their future DVD, then that is some extreme paranoia . If DT really has a problem, id have no problem removing the video, but i don't believe they do have a problem with it.
"Everybody does it". I got it. Very well, carry on. Post your, as you probably accurately describe it, "crappy video", to social media in violation of the band's wishes. By the way, picture this: You walk up to James after the show and the following dialogue ensues:
You: "Hi James, great show! Really enjoyed it. I know the rules say no video, but I got a complete video of "Breaking All Illusions". Do you mind if I post it to Youtube"?
James: Fill in what you think he would say.
If you are dense enough to think that the answer would be: "Sure no problem", then I have nothing further to add.
Might as well end the discussion, I most certainly think he wouldn't mind. Unless it was a concert they were filming or perhaps a poor performance. Otherwise, yes I don't think he would have a problem.
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https://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/wkiml/
rather than posting individual pics
But I will add this one Are you looking at me ?
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/wkiml/DreamTheater_203-Copy.jpg)
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That pic is SO boss. :2metal:
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I know everyone thinks their concert pictures are special, but really, no. Every picture that I see submitted I have seen 2,000,000 times by 2,000,000 fans. Not to mention the pros. There are only so many combinations and permutations of a guy on a stage wincing while he plays his guitar or drums. I don't need to see any more of these, they are all the same, just a different dude pressing the exposure button.
I enjoy the pictures I see submitted here even though I rarely take pictures myself during shows.
Good for you that you don't wanna see more pictures, saves you bandwidth. Your argument is meaningless to most of us who want to waste bandwidth on seeing those pictures.
And yes everyone's concert experience is fuckin special and when they share it; they remind of how special mine was too and how I felt the same a week ago as that person did last night. It also makes a cool connection between everyone here. Be it sharing with photos, videos or a review full of small details, I'm interested and I know it's not just me.
got it, thanks! that's all i needed to read.
We're sorry about this man, we're not assholes. your pictures are of awesome quality and I love them. We definitely appreciate you sharing them and if you have more please post them.
I like setting them as my wallpaper or screensaver and it's also nice to have a collection :)
Because its a no harm no foul IMO. I'm not sure why the band is against it as there are millions of videos on YouTube. There are a couple thank yous on the video comments because people like myself like to see a part of the show they went to. If DT are worried that a crappy video will take away from buyers of their future DVD, then that is some extreme paranoia . If DT really has a problem, id have no problem removing the video, but i don't believe they do have a problem with it.
"Everybody does it". I got it. Very well, carry on. Post your, as you probably accurately describe it, "crappy video", to social media in violation of the band's wishes. By the way, picture this: You walk up to James after the show and the following dialogue ensues:
You: "Hi James, great show! Really enjoyed it. I know the rules say no video, but I got a complete video of "Breaking All Illusions". Do you mind if I post it to Youtube"?
James: Fill in what you think he would say.
If you are dense enough to think that the answer would be: "Sure no problem", then I have nothing further to add.
Might as well end the discussion, I most certainly think he wouldn't mind. Unless it was a concert they were filming or perhaps a poor performance. Otherwise, yes I don't think he would have a problem.
Of course he wouldn't have a problem with it! Did he or any other DT member say they have a problem with it? No.
I usually can't take pictures or videos during concerts cause I can't enjoy the concert while holding a camera (I'm a rapid headbanger) so it's only a couple of pictures if anything for me, so I'm not defending something that I'm doing or need to do, we're arguing about basic decades old concert habits here! Since cameras became portable people have been taking pictures and videos of their experience and showing it to every single person they know, it got wider with the internet but that means nothing to me, if I'm a fan I'm buying the DVD and if I don't want spoilers I won't watch the videos or see the pictures.
Someone else might not be interested but fucked if they're gonna tell me I'm wrong to enjoy what fellow fans coming with excitement to share their experience bring, be it a picture, a video or a story.
https://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/wkiml/
rather than posting individual pics
But I will add this one Are you looking at me ?
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Haha sweeet picture and nice collection wkiml, thanks for sharing man :tup
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(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/wkiml/DreamTheater_156-Copy-Copy.jpg)
This one is SO freaking cool! So are many of your others too, thanks for letting us all look! :metal
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Of course he wouldn't have a problem with it! Did he or any other DT member say they have a problem with it? No.
I usually can't take pictures or videos during concerts cause I can't enjoy the concert while holding a camera (I'm a rapid headbanger) so it's only a couple of pictures if anything for me, so I'm not defending something that I'm doing or need to do, we're arguing about basic decades old concert habits here! Since cameras became portable people have been taking pictures and videos of their experience and showing it to every single person they know, it got wider with the internet but that means nothing to me, if I'm a fan I'm buying the DVD and if I don't want spoilers I won't watch the videos or see the pictures.
Someone else might not be interested but fucked if they're gonna tell me I'm wrong to enjoy what fellow fans coming with excitement to share their experience bring, be it a picture, a video or a story.
Sigh... I guess I just expect too much of people sometimes.
Maybe I'm an idealist, living in the clouds. It would never occur to me to 1) violate the wishes of the band when they say right on their website that they don't want people taking pictures of the onstage performance. That they have "so many good ones already", which is basically a nice way of saying... ... well... ... it's obvious what it's a nice way of saying. It just would not occur to me to do that. 2) To violate the rules of the venue on private property that they own and take pictures when the venue says don't do it and their hired and uniformed representatives are politely asking each lamebrain not to do it, but said lamebrains do it anyway or sneak around doing it when nobody is looking. It would just not occur to me to do that.
Maybe my lack of headbanging, with concomitant avoidance of smashing of the brain against the inside of the skull, has left me with a clear head in a world of foggy brains. Could it be just me? Maybe when someone expresses their wishes and states in plain English that they don't want the performance photographed, I just go along with it because I respect private property rights and the rights of the band to own and control their images. Maybe I'm just unbelievably brilliant, or an idiot savant (go ahead). Able to deduce with near mystical skill that the band AND the venue both state in plain English that the onstage performance is not to be photographed or videotaped. And then able to control my behavior with laser-like precision, leaving the camera at home or in the car. Or maybe I am a superhero. Able to read with my unaided super-eyes, the cryptic and unintelligible microscopic print on the back of the ticket and on the venue and band websites that specifically state the rules on videography and photography.
Sigh... I guess I just expect too much of people sometimes.
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Look dude - like it or not, pictures (concert pics included) capture a moment in time that most peeps want to remember. It's not that we fail as humans because GAWD FORBID we like someone else's photos taken during a Dream Theater show.
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Look dude - like it or not, pictures (concert pics included) capture a moment in time that most peeps want to remember. It's not that we fail as humans because GAWD FORBID we like someone else's photos taken during a Dream Theater show.
I love pictures. I love memories. I take pictures of me and my friends at concerts. I shoot lots and lots of photos and videos. However I do not take pictures of the band while they are performing. Why? It's not allowed and I agreed to that when I bought the ticket. So did you. And so did the other "peeps". You do not need illegal pictures to remember the event. Legal ones are sufficient.
But of course, if you don't give a rat's azz about the rules and you just have to have your pleasure and it's all about you and everyone else be damned including the band providing the show, well, you're obviously not alone as we can see. Rock on. I'm sure the pictures will continue. But they won't be mine. By the way, I remember the Radio City concert as if it were yesterday and I've never seen a single photo of that memorable evening.
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Look dude - like it or not, pictures (concert pics included) capture a moment in time that most peeps want to remember. It's not that we fail as humans because GAWD FORBID we like someone else's photos taken during a Dream Theater show.
I love pictures. I love memories. I take pictures of me and my friends at concerts. I shoot lots and lots of photos and videos. However I do not take pictures of the band while they are performing. Why? It's not allowed and I agreed to that when I bought the ticket. So did you. And so did the other "peeps". You do not need illegal pictures to remember the event. Legal ones are sufficient.
But of course, if you don't give a rat's azz about the rules and you just have to have your pleasure and it's all about you and everyone else be damned including the band providing the show, well, you're obviously not alone as we can see. Rock on. I'm sure the pictures will continue. But they won't be mine. By the way, I remember the Radio City concert as if it were yesterday and I've never seen a single photo of that memorable evening.
Really? You didn't buy Score? DUUUDE go get it!
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There are no pics from the Score show - since the band was taping, no pics were allowed. I guess people "followed the rules" that night, eh?
Just call the Picture Police on the majority of the people posting in this subforum, myself included - seeing how we "broke the rules" and all...
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Really? You didn't buy Score? DUUUDE go get it!
Found it. I did buy it, but I haven't listened to it in quite awhile. I'm going to play it on the way out to Huntington. Perhaps several times since I have to cross the GWB and we all know what that now means.
Which begs the question: Will we ever hear Octavarium live again?
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M13, no offense dude,, but you are out of line in this thread. I know you're close to the band, and I respect your position on the subject, but calling people lamebrains.. You say you've seen all the pics you need to see, but you're really talking down to everyone here.
I've been taking pics since the mid 80's at shows..when it was really tough to get by security, long before iPhones. Those pics are dear to me and my experience. That does not make me a lamebrain. What it does make me is someone that is passionate about their music. I have spent thousands on Tix/CDs/T shirts. Rationalization for breaking the rules..yes, I guess. But my pictures are my most cherished music related posessions.
I've never understood why bands don't want pictures taken. This is not new. And Like I said, that's fine and all. I'd be shocked if MP or JP never snuck a camera in. To me it's part of the fan experience. Being able to show up at school to show my friends back in the day. Bands should not be afraid of that.
Man, you've been cool here, so I certainly wouldn't hold your position against you, but chill, please. :)
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Yeah you definitely are way out of line. Especially when you criticize people by calling them names (ie lamebrain) and telling them their pictures are not special. So taking pictures at concerts is not your thing, we get it. That doesn't mean you are any better than anyone else who is taking pictures. By the way, two things to note about this show:
1. When we entered the gates to go in, security checked my camera. The one guy wasn't sure if it was a professional camera or not (which it's nowhere near professional) so he asked the other security guy and the guy said yeah that camera is fine to bring in.
2. When The Crimson ProjeKCt was playing, pictures were being taken everywhere and security did not do a thing, at least not where I was sitting and where I was sitting as soon as DT came on stage they were very strict about pictures.
So let me ask you, how is this guy (or any of us who took/wanted to take pictures) breaking the rules when PNC allows pictures? Your claim that we agreed not to take pictures when we bought the tickets is bullshit as we made no such agreement as that is not PNC's policy. And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit. I'd have more respect for them if they said "We as a band do not want you taking pictures of us so please respect that". Instead they say "most venues don't allow photography during shows". Sorry but to me that means that if the venue allows pictures then we should be able to take them. If that's not what they mean, then they should have the balls to say it. So please get off your high horse and stop ridiculing people for them trying to get the best out of their experience.
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A- I don't visit DT.net as I find the news here and other sources much quicker , so I have never seen a DT policy of no pictures
B- no where on my ticket did it say no photography
C- I have an e-mail exchange between myself and PNC saying that their policy of photography allowed (no video no professional equipment) supercedes any policy a particular band may have. The bands and promoters are well aware of the policies of the venue before booking it.
D My old fogey brain doesnt remember what I had for dinner last night, so these pictures are a memento of that event
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^ Thanks for the pics Billy! So many awesome shots! :hefdaddy
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I was thinking about the "no pictures or videos" rule and thought, is it really that they don't want people doing it for what they create or is it because they don't want everyone with their camera in the air which can bother other fans trying to watch the show. I know i got my video when i moved to the back and the security walked by a few times and never stopped me, maybe because I was further away but maybe because I was in the back and couldn't be bothering anyone.
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I bet that's why the band would say no pictures. It's hard enough when you aren't that tall and there's a monster standing right in front of you even if he isn't holding up an arm to get a video.
I spent 90% of that concert on my toes. :lol
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I was thinking about the "no pictures or videos" rule and thought, is it really that they don't want people doing it for what they create or is it because they don't want everyone with their camera in the air which can bother other fans trying to watch the show. I know i got my video when i moved to the back and the security walked by a few times and never stopped me, maybe because I was further away but maybe because I was in the back and couldn't be bothering anyone.
I don't know/care which it is but what bothers me about it is the fact that they don't address it.
If DT were to say, "It bothers us when we are playing and flashes are going off, please be respectful of that and don't take pictures" or if they said "As a band we feel it's disrespectful of others to take pictures so please refrain from doing so" I would be compeltely fine with it and leave my camera home. But when they make us think that the reason that they don't want pictures is b/c "some" venues have policies against it, then aren't we supposed to feel that if the venue doesn't have a policy against it that we could take pictures?
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Yeah you definitely are way out of line. Especially when you criticize people by calling them names (ie lamebrain) and telling them their pictures are not special. So taking pictures at concerts is not your thing, we get it. That doesn't mean you are any better than anyone else who is taking pictures. By the way, two things to note about this show:
1. When we entered the gates to go in, security checked my camera. The one guy wasn't sure if it was a professional camera or not (which it's nowhere near professional) so he asked the other security guy and the guy said yeah that camera is fine to bring in.
2. When The Crimson ProjeKCt was playing, pictures were being taken everywhere and security did not do a thing, at least not where I was sitting and where I was sitting as soon as DT came on stage they were very strict about pictures.
So let me ask you, how is this guy (or any of us who took/wanted to take pictures) breaking the rules when PNC allows pictures? Your claim that we agreed not to take pictures when we bought the tickets is bullshit as we made no such agreement as that is not PNC's policy. And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit. I'd have more respect for them if they said "We as a band do not want you taking pictures of us so please respect that". Instead they say "most venues don't allow photography during shows". Sorry but to me that means that if the venue allows pictures then we should be able to take them. If that's not what they mean, then they should have the balls to say it. So please get off your high horse and stop ridiculing people for them trying to get the best out of their experience.
The PNC website says that no recording devices are to be brought in. So if you are shooting video, you are breaking the rules. In fact, if you bring in a device capable of shooting video, you are breaking the rules. The DT website clearly asks fans not to shoot the onstage performance. So if you do that you are breaking the rules. Or at least going against the band's wishes.
Look, I know we live in an age where we don't give a crap about rules and standards and expectations, or each other. As long as we are gratified and satiated, we can trample on the wishes of others. I get that. It's everywhere. It's rampant. It's viral. Our personal and immediate gratification is more important than anything else, and trumps everything else. So, to quote you: "And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit." That statement clearly states your attitude and intentions. It's bullshit, and you are going to do what you want.
Which is fine. You can live that way if you want to. I would advise people not to embrace that attitude, but let's face it: That's where we are nowadays. You are in the majority and have a billion close friends who believe the same way. Rock on.
I usually expect more from DT fans. I always think of DT as more of a "musicians band", and I would like to expect the fans to be as professional as the band. A higher level fanbase. But it is what it is. So if some happiness-seeking fan needs his "memories", and is just going to take his illegal video recording device, stick it in the air, block my view, and break the rules, all I can do is live with it. So I will.
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I was thinking about the "no pictures or videos" rule and thought, is it really that they don't want people doing it for what they create or is it because they don't want everyone with their camera in the air which can bother other fans trying to watch the show. I know i got my video when i moved to the back and the security walked by a few times and never stopped me, maybe because I was further away but maybe because I was in the back and couldn't be bothering anyone.
I don't know/care which it is but what bothers me about it is the fact that they don't address it.
If DT were to say, "It bothers us when we are playing and flashes are going off, please be respectful of that and don't take pictures" or if they said "As a band we feel it's disrespectful of others to take pictures so please refrain from doing so" I would be compeltely fine with it and leave my camera home. But when they make us think that the reason that they don't want pictures is b/c "some" venues have policies against it, then aren't we supposed to feel that if the venue doesn't have a policy against it that we could take pictures?
You have to read between the lines. The band is in an awkward position. They obviously don't want to spoil the fan experience. They also don't want 20 million videos of their concerts flooding the social media and cheapening their product and destroying their livelihood. So it's up to us to understand what is basically common sense. If we were up there, and it was our livelihood, we just might agree with them.
And by the way, if you really need to shoot videos for your personal memory needs, or to send to a couple of friends privately, that might be one thing. But what most of the rule breakers do is attempt to shoot entire songs, if not entire performances, then release them for free on the Internet, effectively becoming gratis distribution companies and destroying the product that is created and owned by the musicians performing the music.
We are at a crossroads because the hardware is advancing to the point that the quality of the video that a fan can record is more and more comparable with that obtained using equipment that was formally the province of professionals. High def is common now in consumer products, and it won't be long before 4K video cams are available. Sound quality is improving dramatically on these devices also.
So it is completely understandable to have a no video policy. In my stupid idealistic world, the band's website would state no video please, and there would be no fans violating the rule, and no damned security guards walking up and down the aisles like pit bulls. Or better yet, the band would be able to say shoot everything you like without flash or lighting, but do not release it to the public. And we would agree and follow their wishes.
The weird thing is, there is no reason we can't have that. All it would take is a little self-discipline.
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The PNC website says that no recording devices are to be brought in. So if you are shooting video, you are breaking the rules. In fact, if you bring in a device capable of shooting video, you are breaking the rules. The DT website clearly asks fans not to shoot the onstage performance. So if you do that you are breaking the rules. Or at least going against the band's wishes.
Look, I know we live in an age where we don't give a crap about rules and standards and expectations, or each other. As long as we are gratified and satiated, we can trample on the wishes of others. I get that. It's everywhere. It's rampant. It's viral. Our personal and immediate gratification is more important than anything else, and trumps everything else. So, to quote you: "And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit." That statement clearly states your attitude and intentions. It's bullshit, and you are going to do what you want.
Which is fine. You can live that way if you want to. I would advise people not to embrace that attitude, but let's face it: That's where we are nowadays. You are in the majority and have a billion close friends who believe the same way. Rock on.
I usually expect more from DT fans. I always think of DT as more of a "musicians band", and I would like to expect the fans to be as professional as the band. A higher level fanbase. But it is what it is. So if some happiness-seeking fan needs his "memories", and is just going to take his illegal video recording device, stick it in the air, block my view, and break the rules, all I can do is live with it. So I will.
Regarding the "And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit" comment I made, I stand by that b/c if DT doesn't want us taking pictures they should come out and say so, they shouldn't say that it's b/c "most venues don't allow photography during shows" as to me that statement is saying we should be respectful of the venue and if the venue does allow pictures then we aren't being disrespectful or breaking any rules.
Also, please don't assume you know my attitude and intentions b/c you are flat out wrong. Prior to DT going on stage there was absolutely nothing brought to my attention about pictures by anyone. Sorry but I don't feel that I have to go to a bands website before going to a concert to see if I can take pictures. So I brought my camera in and was told by security that the camera was fine. So I'm sorry but if that is against the rules to bring a camera in b/c it can record video than security should have told me that and not let me bring it in. They didn't, they told me that camera was fine. Once DT hit the stage I snapped one picture and was told by a security guard that I can take pictures but I had to turn the flash off. Ok fine I turned the flash off. Not long after that a lady came over to me and said nicely how the band was freaking out about the pictures and they were gonna have a heart attack up there and could I please put the camera away. I then did so and did not snap another picture during the entire show until DT had finished playing. Please explain to me at what point I have a bad attitude?
So again, get off your fucking high horse and stop judging people b/c you don't know us!!!
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I think everyone in this thread needs to chill out.
Once again, I don't find right to speak in the name of band what is ok and not in the shows. As for DT, all members are completely aware of what fans doing during the concerts. Videos, taking photos or such. Believe me, DT is all OK about that. Even James, considering he is a singer and it's understandable if someone shots his "off performance" he wouldn't want it get youtube'd. He is totally fine with it and making jokes about it. "Oh shit, it is gonna be on youtube, right?"
*laughs*
It's all about venues policy. If they don't want, fine! We don't push but in this technology era and while bands are completely aware of that they can't prevent people doing this stuff, all is fine.
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Listen up. I don't visit many forums these days and quite honestly I don't have time to. I did, however, read the policy on the PNC venue website an hour prior of me attending the event. Taking with me an expensive camera isn't my 1st choice of things that I'd want to do especially if I went someplace like Radio City where I would have a chance of not even being allowed in.
Now, in this case, since I was allowed in the PNC arts center with my camera, and yes, I was snapping shots of Crimson Projekct like crazy with the center aisle guard watching me without peeping a word, thought to myself, it's approved. The fella at the gate asked me if my camera has a detachable lens. I showed him that it didn't and he said, go on in. Afterall, they let me in with my camera. If they didn't, I wouldn't mind walking back to my car and locking the camera away.
It's that simple. But again, I never thought to go to DT.net and read the policy, or a blurb news flash, stated from the band. But now that I was made aware that there is a statement (from the band or spokesperson), I'm fine with that. I just was not aware that DT doesn't want photographs. Typically the venue would permit or not and that's the end of it. I totally respect it and will leave the camera at home from now on.
This past show was the first time that I brought a camera, throughout my countless times that I've seen DT since the Charlie Dominci days. I typically just like going and enjoying my ass off, but thought that since I'm already 6 rows from center stage, why not have a little fun. Plus, I'd get some nice shots of Johns JP12 and the rest of the gang. I really wanted to get shots of JP's silverburst as my good friend Rich owned it's only twin. I wanted to take the shot and share that photo, but I didn't since I was asked not to.
I also agree about the fans and holding camera's up in faces, flashes, etc. When I shoot photos, I was very courteous of those behind me and used the viewfinder rather than the display or held it up in the air. I was able to get my photos with the camera very close to my body, elbows tight intended not to offend anyone at all around me.
I was taken aback when the lady with the headset on came over and basically started reprimanding me like I knew all of this prior to attending. Most of the staff who were being told not to take photos with their phones were mostly all using their light flashes, and I figured, that I'm not, so it's casual (like the venue policy stated).
Anyway, I respect the bands wishes and I won't be doing it again, now that I am aware of it. I did take notice how there were about 4 professional photographers at center stage who took about 20 shots in the first opening number. Once they were done, they left the area and the security started being strict. While they were all shooting, so were the 50 other people in my general area..
I don't need to defend myself nor my actions, I just simply was not aware, and now I am. Rock on!
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Now, in this case, since I was allowed in the PNC arts center with my camera, and yes, I was snapping shots of Crimson Projekct like crazy with the center aisle guard watching me without peeping a word, thought to myself, it's approved. The fella at the gate asked me if my camera has a detachable lens. I showed him that it didn't and he said, go on in. Afterall, they let me in with my camera. If they didn't, I wouldn't mind walking back to my car and locking the camera away.
It's that simple.
It absolutely is that simple. To me, and I made this point as well, this is all you need to know to say that it is DT who has a problem with pictures being taken and NOT the venue. Again, that is perfectly fine and I repect the bands wishes if that is the case but I just don't get why they just can't come out and say it.
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The PNC website says that no recording devices are to be brought in. So if you are shooting video, you are breaking the rules. In fact, if you bring in a device capable of shooting video, you are breaking the rules. The DT website clearly asks fans not to shoot the onstage performance. So if you do that you are breaking the rules. Or at least going against the band's wishes.
Look, I know we live in an age where we don't give a crap about rules and standards and expectations, or each other. As long as we are gratified and satiated, we can trample on the wishes of others. I get that. It's everywhere. It's rampant. It's viral. Our personal and immediate gratification is more important than anything else, and trumps everything else. So, to quote you: "And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit." That statement clearly states your attitude and intentions. It's bullshit, and you are going to do what you want.
Which is fine. You can live that way if you want to. I would advise people not to embrace that attitude, but let's face it: That's where we are nowadays. You are in the majority and have a billion close friends who believe the same way. Rock on.
I usually expect more from DT fans. I always think of DT as more of a "musicians band", and I would like to expect the fans to be as professional as the band. A higher level fanbase. But it is what it is. So if some happiness-seeking fan needs his "memories", and is just going to take his illegal video recording device, stick it in the air, block my view, and break the rules, all I can do is live with it. So I will.
Regarding the "And sorry but what DT says on their website is bullshit" comment I made, I stand by that b/c if DT doesn't want us taking pictures they should come out and say so, they shouldn't say that it's b/c "most venues don't allow photography during shows" as to me that statement is saying we should be respectful of the venue and if the venue does allow pictures then we aren't being disrespectful or breaking any rules.
Also, please don't assume you know my attitude and intentions b/c you are flat out wrong. Prior to DT going on stage there was absolutely nothing brought to my attention about pictures by anyone. Sorry but I don't feel that I have to go to a bands website before going to a concert to see if I can take pictures. So I brought my camera in and was told by security that the camera was fine. So I'm sorry but if that is against the rules to bring a camera in b/c it can record video than security should have told me that and not let me bring it in. They didn't, they told me that camera was fine. Once DT hit the stage I snapped one picture and was told by a security guard that I can take pictures but I had to turn the flash off. Ok fine I turned the flash off. Not long after that a lady came over to me and said nicely how the band was freaking out about the pictures and they were gonna have a heart attack up there and could I please put the camera away. I then did so and did not snap another picture during the entire show until DT had finished playing. Please explain to me at what point I have a bad attitude?
So again, get off your fucking high horse and stop judging people b/c you don't know us!!!
I will never get off my high horse. The view is too good.
Anyway...
Actually that is breaking news that I was unaware of. You are saying that the band was indeed freaking out about people recording the onstage performance using still and motion recording devices. (That's cameras and video cameras for those of you that are not familiar with the pro lingo.). Hmmmmm. That tells me that the band indeed does not want us taking performance shots and videos. I thought that was the case, and now you've confirmed it, in effect clearing up the rather vague reference to it online.
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Actually that is breaking news that I was unaware of. You are saying that the band was indeed freaking out about people recording the onstage performance using still and motion recording devices. (That's cameras and video cameras for those of you that are not familiar with the pro lingo.). Hmmmmm. That tells me that the band indeed does not want us taking performance shots and videos. I thought that was the case, and now you've confirmed it, in effect clearing up the rather vague reference to it online.
Well this is what I was told by a little old lady that worked there who was going through the crowd and asking people not to take pictures. Now is what she said true? We'll probably never know but she definitely used those words that the band was freaking out.
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I know that this pic/recording debate is more interesting than my little post, but here goes anyway...
My wife's sole purpose for wanting to go to this show was to hear TSCO live, and she got it.
We got a motel for the night, and went for breakfast before heading home. I thought it was really cool that our waitress' name was Victoria. What are the odds? :)
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Nugget!
But yea, I was really excited for TSCO as well since i hadn't seen it before.
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Yeah, sounded beautiful, didn't it?
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I know that this pic/recording debate is more interesting than my little post, but here goes anyway...
My wife's sole purpose for wanting to go to this show was to hear TSCO live, and she got it.
We got a motel for the night, and went for breakfast before heading home. I thought it was really cool that our waitress' name was Victoria. What are the odds? :)
Any pictures or video of Victoria?
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Lol, no, but you guys wouldn't have been impressed...pretty heavy and dumpy, though I thought she had a very cute face. And she was blonde and gave me pancakes, which makes her hot. :tup
Plus, the restaurant asked that no recording devices be brought in. ;-)
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:lol :clap:
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Lol, no, but you guys wouldn't have been impressed...pretty heavy and dumpy, though I thought she had a very cute face. And she was blonde and gave me pancakes, which makes her hot. :tup
Plus, the restaurant asked that no recording devices be brought in. ;-)
Pancakes. Let me guess. IHOP in Keyport. They are so damned strict.
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Actually, the place was called Huddle Up, no idea what town, but we were back in pa by then. I think around allentown.
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Lol, no, but you guys wouldn't have been impressed...pretty heavy and dumpy, though I thought she had a very cute face. And she was blonde and gave me pancakes, which makes her hot. :tup
Plus, the restaurant asked that no recording devices be brought in. ;-)
What!? I really wanted to see those pancakes.
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What time did Crimson Projekct start?
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The tickets said the show started at 7:30 and that is when they went on... give or take a couple of minutes.
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Major Thirteenth, I completely get where you are coming from. But I have two problems with your series of posts: (1) you are personally insulting others, both in your general tone and in terms of actual namecalling, which is against forum rules, and (2) you are taking the thread WAY off topic, which is also against forum rules. Given that you are a stickler for rules (nothing wrong with that), please respect the rules of this forum. Thanks.
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But you agree with me. That shooting stills or motion pictures of the onstage performance violates the rules.
Also, I did not call anyone on the forum a name, I referred to concertgoers who violate the rules, causing security to get involved, as lamebrains.
Finally, the byline for this forum reads: "Discuss everything related to Dream Theater shows, setlists, meet-ups, etc."
Would not discussing concert attendance rules and violations thereof be completely on topic?
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But you agree with me. That shooting stills or motion pictures of the onstage performance violates the rules.
Again, PNC's policy is to allow pictures. They allowed pictures during The Crimson ProjeKCt, per their site they allow pictures, and at the gates people we told their camera's were fine. So if people were just taking pictures, then NO they were not breaking the rules!
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But you agree with me. That shooting stills or motion pictures of the onstage performance violates the rules.
Again, PNC's policy is to allow pictures. They allowed pictures during The Crimson ProjeKCt, per their site they allow pictures, and at the gates people we told their camera's were fine. So if people were just taking pictures, then NO they were not breaking the rules!
I think the point was Dream Theater, not CP. IF CP is good and the venue is good, then so am I: for CP. Shooting the onstage performance is a no go for DT, unless they change their policy, which is presently no onstage performance photos. And certainly video is never legal anywhere anyhow.
Anyway, we've beat this to death I'm sure all would agree. And all will undoubtedly keep doing as they are doing, or not doing, as the case may be. Time to shower up for the first of two sure to be great Huntington shows, followed by some action in AC (DT and poker, yeah!).
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But you agree with me. That shooting stills or motion pictures of the onstage performance violates the rules.
Whether I agree or disagree with you or not is irrelevant.
Also, I did not call anyone on the forum a name, I referred to concertgoers who violate the rules, causing security to get involved, as lamebrains.
And several people in this thread expressed that they are some of those concertgoers and/or expressed their disagreement with you. Your reaction to those posts strongly suggests that you are in fact lumping those forum members in with that group of "lamebrains."
Finally, the byline for this forum reads: "Discuss everything related to Dream Theater shows, setlists, meet-ups, etc."
Would not discussing concert attendance rules and violations thereof be completely on topic?
The problem is, THIS thread is about the NJ show. In context, a few posts about the photo policy at that show are fine. But your crusade against people who take pictures at shows in multiple posts is taking the thread away from the intended topic of the NJ show.
If you want to start a thread about the camera policy is general, have at it. Just don't derail this thread with it, and watch your tone. Insults and more general inflammatory or derogatory posts will get you in trouble.
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I have to say it's kind of annoying seeing the PNC concert constantly bumped and it is the same camera discussion for multiple pages now. Get over it everyone, I hope you all enjoyed the show and I'm sure you had a good time regardless of cameras.
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C- I have an e-mail exchange between myself and PNC saying that their policy of photography allowed (no video no professional equipment) supercedes any policy a particular band may have. The bands and promoters are well aware of the policies of the venue before booking it.
As I posted before ..regardless of DT's wishes or personal policy see above
but enough beating of a dead horse...I enjoyed myself got to hang with some other DTFer's before and during which always makes the experience better
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Good to know regarding PNC's policy, Bill. Thanks for that. But:
enough beating of a dead horse
Let's all get the topic back on track now, please. Thanks.
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YEAH! it was great to see you there Bill! To bad you missed the picture. it wasnt too long after you left. oh well theres always next time.
was a phenomenal show :metal
oh and its fun to correct nick irl :3
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YEAH! it was great to see you there Bill! To bad you missed the picture. it wasnt too long after you left. oh well theres always next time.
was a phenomenal show :metal
oh and its fun to correct nick irl :3
If I remember correctly, you both messed up some pronunciations haha.
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YEAH! it was great to see you there Bill! To bad you missed the picture. it wasnt too long after you left. oh well theres always next time.
was a phenomenal show :metal
oh and its fun to correct nick irl :3
If I remember correctly, you both messed up some pronunciations haha.
... touche.. i forgot.
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Does anyone know the name if the last song The Crimson Projeckt played at this show?
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Indiscipline, I would suspect.
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That would be correct.
DanLore
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I'm resurrecting this thread because of the contest happening for everyone with their Dream Theater photos. It says right there that they want to see our pics of everything DT related, including concert footage. Now, tell me that DT doesn't want their picture taken and this BS was all related to the PNC Arts venue.
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-wants-to-see-your-dramatic-event-photos-on-instagram
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I'm resurrecting this thread because of the contest happening for everyone with their Dream Theater photos. It says right there that they want to see our pics of everything DT related, including concert footage. Now, tell me that DT doesn't want their picture taken and this BS was all related to the PNC Arts venue.
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-wants-to-see-your-dramatic-event-photos-on-instagram
:lol I guess that ends that argument.
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i regret not going to this show so bad, 5 minutes from my house and the day before my birthday, stupid that i decided not to
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Yeah, especially since the free upgrades would have put you damn near in the front row for the price of a cheap seat. Maybe next time?
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next time for sure. i just hope they go to PNC again for the next tour
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I'm hoping they'll go to PNC next tour too... I live about an hour and 15 min away.
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I live around the corner so its so convienent for me but Id rather see DT at Beacon Theater. PNC is way too big for DT.
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PNC is too big for them, but I like it as a venue and it's easy to get to and into, so I hope they play there.
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PNC is too big for them, but I like it as a venue and it's easy to get to and into, so I hope they play there.
Yeah this is exactly my reason for hoping they play at PNC... I do agree that it may be too big for them, but damn I just want to see DT live again :lol
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I don't think PNC is too big for them. I saw them during the Chaos in Motion tour there and it was filled. It was an awesome concert. The last one for ADTOE tour was half empty but I think that was just some weird coincidence.
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I don't think PNC is too big for them. I saw them during the Chaos in Motion tour there and it was filled. It was an awesome concert. The last one for ADTOE tour was half empty but I think that was just some weird coincidence.
I missed that show from the CiM tour, but there were enough people to fill the lawn?
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Yeah there were people on the lawn for sure. I was in the back and the place was filled. I didn't pay much attention to the lawn so it might not have been filled. But there were a lot of people there.
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I was at that show, and it wasn't filled at all. They upgraded every lawn seat to the back seated section, and it was still quite empty in the back.