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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Nick on March 09, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
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FIRST BITCHES
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Trains is the greatest song ever.
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...and the swallows dance above the sun yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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I want you to put Felix's penis on me.
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FIRST BITCHES
One of the first posts I ever read on this forum was from you, and it was also the first post in a Porcupine Tree thread. I remember it well. You said, verbatim
"Steven Wilson is my God and gay lover. As I've said before, I would eat his poo."
I can't find the post because the two-year-old version of this thread has probably been deleted. Just trust me, you said it. And what a wonderful quote it is.
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:lol I vaguely remember that. Glad I make such an impression on newcomers.
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Trains is the greatest song ever.
BUT IT'S A 4 MINUTE POP SONG
PROG 4 LYF
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Anesthetize and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here are the best PT songs because they are the longest
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So Trains just had to be mentioned right away again. IT'S NOT THAT GOOD!
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Heartattack in a Lay By and Start of Something Beautiful, mofos.
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So Trains just had to be mentioned right away again. IT'S NOT THAT GOOD!
ohshitherewego.mp3
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Trains is just a stupid pop song you're all sheeple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Heartattack in a Lay By and Start of Something Beautiful, mofos.
Which is better? I think they are my top 2 as well.
Also top 10's:
1. The Start of Something Beautfiul
2. Heartattack in a Layby
3. Glass Arm Shattering
4. Piano Lessons
5. Trains
6. Pure Narcotic
7. Even Less
8. Blackest Eyes
9. Don't Hate Me
10. Fear of a Blank Planet
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Heartattack is basically the greatest song ever recorded, so yeah.
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Better than A CHAYNGE OF SEASANS?????
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shit.
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Hi guys my name's Ryan and I also like the band that is called Porcupine Tree that is a band that has a guy who is named Steven Wilson and he has glasses and is British.
I dunno I really have a thing for Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It's Recycled but I guess if I was really going to choose my favorite PT song I guess I'd have to say....
(sigh)
Trains ok. Trains.
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My favorite Porcupine Tree song is Drawing the Line.
imo tbqh
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OTSOL > IA. :millahhhh
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OTSOL > IA. :xbones :metal
God damn right.
Tomorrow you may be god damn wrong. Or later tonight.
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...and the swallows dance above the sun yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
I want you to put Felix's penis on me.
YESSSSSSS
Anesthetize and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here are the best PT songs because they are the longest
Transmission IV. </thread>
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A Caterpillar crawled to me one day and said "Oh what the hell goes on inside your swollen head"
This has to be one of my favorite PT songs from what I've heard so far. Love the groove of it.
top 10 not in any specific order
Anesthetize
The Nostalgia Factory
Sleep Together
Heartattack in a Layby
Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
The Start of Something Beautiful
Voyage 34
Drawing The Line
Synesthesia
Radioactive Toy
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Without no amount of irony or sarcasm, The Nostalgia Factory really is an awesome song. I really think they could spice it up and play it live now, without the helium-effect on the vocals, and maybe do something more prog with the instrumental-part.
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No order
Mellotron scratch
Last chance to evacuate planet earth before it is recycled
Dark matter
Even less
Heartattack in a layby
Collapse the light into earth
Sentimental
Waiting
Anesthetize
Lightbulb sun
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No Order
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Anesthetize
Lightbulb Sun
Russia on Ice
Deadwing
Mellotron Scratch
The Rest Will Flow
Fear of a Blank Planet
Collapse the Light Into Earth
My Ashes
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Cool list there, but what do you find so great about "The Rest Will Flow"?
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No order:
Dark Matter
Lips of Ashes
Gravity Eyelids
The Sky Moves Sideways (both phases, can't choose)
Moonloop
Mellotron Scratch
Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
The Nostalgia Factory
Burning Sky
Sleep Together
Also, honourable mentions are Don't Hate Me, Baby Dream in Cellophane, and A Smart Kid. All three were incredibly close to making it.
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Blackest Eyes>You
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Cool list there, but what do you find so great about "The Rest Will Flow"?
I find it extremely catchy and I love the ending and chorus. Seems a little sad to me but for some reason cheers me up. PT's poppy side at its best! That was just a real quick ranking, others would be pretty close like A Smart Kid, Stranger by the Minute, Baby Dream in Cellophane, Sky Moves Sideways, Last Chance, Feel So Low, shesmovedon, the rest of FOABP and LBS etc. Its hard to pick with Porkie Tree but that was just what came into my head :)
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Not really in order:
Anesthetize
The Start of something beautiful
Fear of a blank planet
The Sound of muzak
Dark matter
Even less
Lightbulb sun
Way out of here
Halo
Blackest eyes
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Top 10, chronological order:
Even Less
Shesmovedon
Buying New Soul
Blackest Eyes
Heartattack In a Layby
Deadwing
Lazarus
Arriving Somewere But Not Here
So Called Friend
Fear Of A Blank Planet
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Mine changes a lot, but something like this: (chronologically)
Always Never
The Sky Moves Sideways (Part 1)
Dark Matter
Even Less (Full version)
Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
Hatesong
Trains
Drown With Me
Mellotron Scratch
Sleep Together
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Trains is PT best song.
(https://files.sharenator.com/Haters_gonna_hate_Infinite_Picdump_2-s990x700-101507-580.jpg)
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I listened to the song Lightbulb Sun for the first time yesterday. I absolutely love it! :heart :heart :heart
If we're choosing our 10 favourite PT songs, I'll pick 1 from each studio album
Linton Samuel Dawson
Synesthesia
The Sky Moves Sideways, Phase 1
Every Home is Wired
Baby Dream in Cellophane
Shesmovedon
Gravity Eyelids
Mellotron Scratch
Fear of a Blank Planet
VI. The Incident
From among the non-studio albums, I'll pick 3:
Voyage 34, Phase 1
Disappear
What Happens Now?
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My favorite PT song was initially Trains, then it was Time Flies, and now it's back to Trains again. :P
In no real order:
-Trains
-Time Flies
-Hatesong
-Lightbulb Sun
-Russia On Ice
-Blackest Eyes
-The Start Of Something Beautiful
-Dark Matter
-Sentimental
-Don't Hate Me
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Trains
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Collapse the Light Into Earth
Anesthetize
Sentimental
The Rest Will Flow
Fear of a Blank Planet
Feel So Low
My Ashes
I Drive the Hearse
HM: Mellotron Scratch, Piano Lessons, Even Less, Lazarus, Dark Matter
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mellotron scratch & shesmovedon have been in my head all week. :heart
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My favorites:
- Russia On Ice
- Lightbulb Sun
- Anesthetize
- Arriving Somewhere...
- Deadwing
- Sleep Together
- Radioactive Toy
- Up the Downstair
- Sever
- Normal
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Collapse The Light Into Earth :metal
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Is it wrong that I think Arriving Somewhere But Not Here kills the Deadwing album? I think the whole thing would be much better if they replaced it with Half-Light, Christenings, and/or Collecting Space.
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Thats my fave PT song :(
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yeah, in no way would I ever want that song removed from Deadwing.
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Is it wrong that I think Arriving Somewhere But Not Here kills the Deadwing album? I think the whole thing would be much better if they replaced it with Half-Light, Christenings, and/or Collecting Space.
It is very wrong.
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Is it wrong that I think...
Didn't even need to read the rest of the post. Yes.
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I have the 320 bitrate, but the mix is pretty atrocious for that song...do you agree?
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I have the 320 bitrate, but the mix is pretty atrocious for that song...do you agree?
God, no.
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Arriving Somewhere is great, but I wish they would have made it 5 minutes shorter. Sadly I loose it around the heavy part, and it's one of the few cases where I could just as much skip forward to next song instead of hearing the last few minutes.
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I have the 320 bitrate, but the mix is pretty atrocious for that song...do you agree?
Deadwing distorts a few times throughout the album, but I have no problem with the mix itself.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Arriving Somewhere, but like everything else on Deadwing it totally works in the context of the album.
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man, i love every bit of "Arriving Somewhere." i know it gets a bit 'heavy handed' (lolz) in the middle, but i find the pacing and energy level excellent. so excellent that, by the time the reprise of the verse section occurs before the incredible Åkerfeldt solo, i am riding a serious high that has really only been reached by a handful of SW songs ("Lips of Ashes," "Anesthetize," "Veneno Para Las Hadas," some stuff on GFD, etc.).
also, to continue whoring myself, here's my review (https://"https://starsdie.com/wp/starsdie-com-review-cataloguepreserveamass") of Catalogue/Preserve/Amass at StarsDie.com!
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There is nothing wrong with Arriving Somewhere and anyone who thinks so is clearly insane.
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Deadwing and IA (apart from Blackest Eyes, Trains and Heart Attack) are way overrated.
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I have the 320 bitrate, but the mix is pretty atrocious for that song...do you agree?
Deadwing distorts a few times throughout the album, but I have no problem with the mix itself.
I'm not really sure what the difference is, but yeah I'm talking about the general distortion that creeps in. Which is a result of the mix, is it not? I dunno.
And Deadwing might be overrated on these forums, but In Absentia definitely isn't.
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I have the 320 bitrate, but the mix is pretty atrocious for that song...do you agree?
Deadwing distorts a few times throughout the album, but I have no problem with the mix itself.
I'm not really sure what the difference is, but yeah I'm talking about the general distortion that creeps in. Which is a result of the mix, is it not? I dunno.
I don't know what the deal with the distortion is. I always assumed it was more of a mastering issue than a mixing issue, since SW mixed it and it doesn't seem like he would create something like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/29s4M.jpg)
The mixing of the instruments itself is great imo, its just the loud parts are mastered WAY too loud, despite the loudness war statement on the album.
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Deadwing and IA (apart from Blackest Eyes, Trains and Heart Attack) are way overrated.
While I agree, Blackest Eyes, Trains and Heartattack are normally the most praised songs on IA. :lol
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I have the 320 bitrate, but the mix is pretty atrocious for that song...do you agree?
Deadwing distorts a few times throughout the album, but I have no problem with the mix itself.
I'm not really sure what the difference is, but yeah I'm talking about the general distortion that creeps in. Which is a result of the mix, is it not? I dunno.
I don't know what the deal with the distortion is. I always assumed it was more of a mastering issue than a mixing issue, since SW mixed it and it doesn't seem like he would create something like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/29s4M.jpg)
The mixing of the instruments itself is great imo, its just the loud parts are mastered WAY too loud, despite the loudness war statement on the album.
Is that a chart of Arriving Somewhere or the entire album?
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Arriving Somewhere, but the whole album is like that.
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So at the parts where it's all blocky looking is when each instrument is mixed too loudly or something?
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I think Mellotron Scratch may be the greatest song ever. :heart
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So at the parts where it's all blocky looking is when each instrument is mixed too loudly or something?
the blocky sausage wave parts are where the entire song is too loud. the mix is the mix; mastering doesn't alter that drastically these days. the issue is that when the songs get loud, the whole thing is murdered because it's so loud. the kick drum disappears particularly on Deadwing, as it doesn't have enough attack EQ to come through when the transients are cut off so badly.
the worst part, clipping-wise, on DW is when the heavy guitars come in for the chorus of "Open Car." because the notes are held and the drums mostly hit on the quarter notes, you get a good half a second to hear the entire mix going KSHHHHHH because of the digital clipping (which is 98% distortion!) caused by the compressor/limiter squashing the audio.
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Arriving Somewhere is the best song on Deadwing. Anyone who disagrees should go burn in hell or something. :P
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Arriving Somewhere is the best song on Deadwing. Anyone who disagrees should go burn in hell or something. :P
*ahem*
I think Mellotron Scratch may be the greatest song ever. :heart
:P
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Arriving Somewhere is the best song on Deadwing. Anyone who disagrees should go burn in hell or something. :P
Agreed....The...Start...of...Something...Beautiful...is...a...pretty...good...contender...though.
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I think Mellotron Scratch may be the greatest song ever. :heart
:heart
But also, no.
Also also, I still haven't started studying.
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I...like...having...a...3DS....Lowered...the...pitch...of...The...Nostalgia...Factory...and...I...now...know...what...it...really...sounds...like....:)
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Lets do something original.
Like rank the songs from In Absentia ;)
Collapse The Light Into Earth
Trains
Blackest Eyes
Gravity Eyelids
.3
The Creator Has A Mastertape
Wedding Nails
Heartattack In A Layby
Lips Of Ashes
Prodigal
The Sound Of Muzak
IT WAS SO HARDDD...the top 4 or 5 are interchangeable..
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Heartattack in a Layby
Trains
Lips of Ashes
Blackest Eyes
Collapse the Light Into Earth
Strip the Soul
.3
Prodigal
Gravity Eyelids
The Sound of Muzak
Wedding Nails
The Creator Has A Mastertape
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I know Strip the Soul isn't the best them but don't keep it out of your lists folks
Collapse The Light Into Earth
Heartattack in a Layby
Blackest Eyes
.3
Trains
Prodigal
The Sound of Muzak
Gravity Eyelids
Lips of Ashes
Wedding Nails
Strip the Soul
The Creator Has a Mastertape
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:lol
I was just going off the songs on his list, because I couldn't recall them all. But I fixed it!
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Lips...of...Ashes
Heartattack...in...a...Layby
.3
Gravity...Eyelids
Collapse...the...Light...Into...Earth
Strip...the...Soul
Trains
Blackest...Eyes
The...Creator...Has...a...Mastertape
The...Sound...of...Muzak
Wedding...Nails
Prodigal
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Bound to cause controversy:
The Sound of Muzak
Blackest Eyes
Wedding Nails
Trains
The Creator Has a Mastertape
Collapse The Light Into Earth
Gravity Eyelids
Lips of Ashes
Heartattack in a Layby
Strip the Soul
Prodigal
.3
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Trains
Gravity Eyelids
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.3
Collapse the Light Into Earth
Blackest Eyes
Heartattack in a Layby
The Sound of Muzak
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Lips of Ashes
Prodigal
Wedding Nails
Strip the Soul
The Creator Has a Mastertape
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Something like this
Heartattack in a Layby
Trains
Gravity Eyelids
.3
Collapse the Light Into Earth
Blackest Eyes
Prodigal
Wedding Nails
Strip the Soul
The Creator Has a Mastertape
The Sound of Muzak
Lips of Ashes
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The Sound of Muzak
.3
Gravity Eyelids
Prodigal
Blackest Eyes
Trains
Lips of Ashes
Collapse the Light into Earth
Strip the Soul
Wedding Nails
Heartattack in a Layby
The Creator Has a Mastertape
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I didn't realise that people didn't like The Creator Has a Mastertape (compared to the rest of the album).
It's one of my favourite songs on the album :(
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Mine as well.
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It's awesome.
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I didn't realise that people didn't like The Creator Has a Mastertape (compared to the rest of the album).
It's one of my favourite songs on the album :(
It's a really consistent album though. I do like Creator a lot, especially the drumming.
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I didn't realise that people didn't like The Creator Has a Mastertape (compared to the rest of the album).
It's one of my favourite songs on the album :(
It's a really consistent album though. I do like Creator a lot, especially the drumming.
Yeah, consistently bad. Bah-dum-tish. :flame:
*hint* sarcasm *hint*
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Consistently inconsistent.
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Get out
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Can't we talk about how awesome Signify is? Tied with FOABP for their best album IMO.
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I kinda need to be in the mood for Signify, but it's right awesome. And it has Dark Matter.
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Signify is a pretty great album but I don't think FOABP is good enough to be tied with it.
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Signify is a pretty great album but I don't think FOABP is good enough to be tied with it.
Ofc it is. All songs on FOABP are better then any of the songs on IA or Deadwing. ;) Almost at least.
Signify however deserves more praise. Dark Matter, Waiting, Sever, Sleep of No Dreaming and Idiot Prayer are pretty much the crème de la crème of PT.
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I would probably say IA/Signify > FOABP/Deadwing
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FOABP is PT's best album, tied with Stupid Dream.
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FoaBP is my second least favourite PT album.
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I didn't like it at all when I first got it but it grew on me over a long period of time.
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FoaBP is my second least favourite PT album.
What don't you like about it?
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I've given up trying to rank albums, I just can't choose between them :lol
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I'm usually not very good at ranking albums. The closest I can get is having some form of tiers.
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Yeah ranking albums is tough for me too, especially with bands like PT where their work is so consistently good. I don't have any of the pre-Signify albums, so if I had to pick a favorite from what I have I'd probably go with Lightbulb Sun because I find it very diverse. On that same note if I had to pick a least favorite I'd probably go with Stupid Dream because imo it's the least diverse, but it's still a great record that I love and listen to all the time.
That reminds me, when I finally get around to expanding my PT discography what pre-Signify album do you guys think should be my first priority to get? I figured I'd just work backwards but if there's an album in that bunch that's a mustgetnao then please let me know.
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They are all good albums but I would probably get The Sky Moves Sideways first, doesn't really matter what order though.
My two fave PT albums are FOABP and LBS tied for first then Deadwing third.
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Up The Downstair is their best pre-Signify effort. It's not as eclectic (read: inconsistent) as On the Sunday of Life and it doesn't meander as much as The Sky Moves Sideways. It's a really, really good psychedelic album.
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FoaBP is my second least favourite PT album.
What don't you like about it?
It's still a good album, I think all PT's albums are at least good. It's mostly that lyrically I find it impossible to take seriously and musically a few moments are just boring to me.
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Up The Downstair is their best pre-Signify effort. It's not as eclectic (read: inconsistent) as On the Sunday of Life and it doesn't meander as much as The Sky Moves Sideways. It's a really, really good psychedelic album.
This guy knows.
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FOABP is glorious
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^^^^^THIS
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FOABP is gloriously quite good, but not a top PT album.
FTFY
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FoaBP is my second least favourite PT album.
What don't you like about it?
It's still a good album, I think all PT's albums are at least good. It's mostly that lyrically I find it impossible to take seriously and musically a few moments are just boring to me.
Really? I can think of very few lyrics that I actually dislike, and most are interesting enough to keep me captivated in the concept.
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Both Up the Downstair and The Sky Moves Sideways are fantastic albums, and if you don't have them, then I can't really recommend them enough. Some people don't even have Signify, which is a shame. :/
Even On the Sunday of Life is worth picking up, it's more of a "fun" listen and interesting to hear, but Radioactive Toy, Nostalgia Factory and Nine Cats are all solid songs.
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I agree that OTSOL is a fun listen if you're into PT history. It's like the Majesty demos for Dream Theater. The album as it stands alone is pretty awful, but if you take it into context as the first 'real' album Steven Wilson ever released (even though you could technically argue it's not a real album, as SW describes as kind of a joking experimental project to share with friends), it is very interesting.
I'm particularly fascinated with how SW went from writing mostly musical soundscapes (OTSOL to TSMS/Signify-ish), to splitting his writing style into two categories - songwriting and pure soundscapes (through Bass Communion), to splitting prog with pop (Blackfield and No-man), to splitting up experimental with even more experimental (solo work). The evolution of the man is so interesting to follow.
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Still, I think what makes OTSOL impressive is the fact that he made it all by himself with the means he had available at the time. Obviously he could do another album better today (by himself), but I just think about it as him sitting in his room and doing music-stuff, and he didn't really have access to an awesome studio or great instruments, so the album has a certain amount of charm if you consider that.
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I really like OTSOL.
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I have always only been a very casual PT fan. I have quite a few of their albums, but never really paid that much attention to them and really take the time to discover them, besides Lightbulb Sun, which is amazing.
After Nick's writeup on Deadwing, I decided to give it a good listening too. Really cool stuff here. I will still need some more listens but I really enjoy the sound of the album, and Arrviing Somewhere But Here has some of the best atmosphere's I have ever heard in a song, great mood.
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Arriving Somewhere but not here is a great song Wolf! :tup
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I think, next time I have album-spending money, and I can only get 1 PT album, I'd go for Signify. With Insignificance as well, you get a fair chunk of music there.
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I think Mellotron Scratch may be the greatest song ever. :heart
Not the greatest but in my Top 10 PT songs, tied for Glass Arm as best off Deadwing
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Open Car is also pretty good.
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Mellotron is my least favorite from Deadwing. I feel like an asshole for having a least favorite song on that album..
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C-c-c-c-cuntbreaker inb4knockthefuckoffbyamod
A wild opinonion appears!
OMG A SHINY!!!
Mellotron is indeed amazing. It is the shiniest of shinies...that I shall never attain... Listening from afar at another trainer's is all I can do.
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Not my favorite song off Deadwing...it's probably middle of the pack.
Oh what the heck.
The Start of Something Beautiful
Glass Arm Shattering
Open Car
Lazarus
Deadwing
Mellotron Scratch
Shallow
Halo
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
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Lets try this...
The Start of Something Beautiful
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Halo
Open Car
Glass Arm Shattering
Lazarus
Mellotron Scratch
Shallow
Deadwing
Damn, I love Halo, I actually thought about putting it above Arriving. Those two can switch, though.
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Deadwing is a very good album...I really underrated it before. I can enjoy every song, and it's only Halo and Arriving Somewhere that I don't really love. There are bits and sections that I don't totally dig, like the second half of Deadwing the song, but overall everything is very strong. It's got enough variety that each song stands out, and it's got enough consistency to make for a fluid album. The concept is also awesome.
If you were to rearrange the order of songs on the Deadwing album and have it include the B-sides, as well as Christenings, Collecting Space, and the Deadwing Theme, how would you do it?
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Can we rank rankings?
IA song ranking
Album ranking
LS song ranking
SD song ranking
Era ranking (ambient vs pop vs metal)
DW song ranking
All other rankings
Drummer ranking
This ranking (meta-ranking)
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Arriving
Deadwing
Mellotron Scratch
Open Car
Start of Something Beautiful
Lazarus
Halo
Shallow
Glass Arm Shattering
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Deadwing is a very good album...I really underrated it before. I can enjoy every song, and it's only Halo and Arriving Somewhere that I don't really love. There are bits and sections that I don't totally dig, like the second half of Deadwing the song, but overall everything is very strong. It's got enough variety that each song stands out, and it's got enough consistency to make for a fluid album. The concept is also awesome.
If you were to rearrange the order of songs on the Deadwing album and have it include the B-sides, as well as Christenings, Collecting Space, and the Deadwing Theme, how would you do it?
i like the way you think. while i appreciate the majority of DW, i'm really not sold on the sequencing at all (and neither is SW!).
i'd arrange it into two discs:
Disc 1
01. Deadwing Theme
02. Mother & Child Divided
03. Shallow
04. Halo
05. Lazarus
06. Collecting Space
07. Deadwing
08. Glass Arm Shattering
Disc 2
01. Revenant
02. Open Car
03. So Called Friend
04. Mellotron Scratch
05. Christenings
06. Half-Light
07. The Start of Something Beautiful
08. Arriving Somewhere, but Not Here
left out "Shesmovedon (2005)" because wtfSWthatdoesntfitorpromoteatall
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Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Deadwing
Lazarus
Start Of Something Beautiful
Glass Arm Shattering
Halo
Shallow
Open Car
Mellotron Scratch
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Nice list, but ASBNH would be a weird closer with that fade-out...maybe Half-Light would work better there?
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trading one fade-out for another, eh? :lol
i dunno, i find "Arriving" infinitely more final and satisfying as an end than "Half-Light," even if SW says he'd rather it end the record instead of "Glass Arm."
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Rank the songs from the Incident! GO! (If anybody cares about this album :sadpanda:)
Remember Me Lover
I Drive The Hearse
Flicker
Time Flies
The Incident
Black Dahlia
Drawing The Line
Octane Twisted
Bonnie The Cat
The Blind House
The Seance
Kneel And Disconnect
Your Unpleasant Family
Great Expectations
The Yellow Windows Of The Evening Train
Circle Of Manias
Occam's Razor
Degree Zero Of Liberty
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Great Expectations
The Incident
I Drive the Hearse
Drawing the Line
The Yellow Windows of the Evening Train
The Blind House
Bonnie the Cat
Kneel and Disconnect
Remember Me Lover
Your Unpleasant Family
Occam's Razor
Octane Twisted
Time Flies
The Seance
Degree Zero of Liberty
Black Dahlia
Flicker
Circle of Manias
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I Drive the Hearse
Time Files
everything else
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The Incident
Blind House
Time Flies
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Bleh, the rest of the album
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I Drive the Hearse
Time Files
everything else
This.
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Deadwing
The Start of Something Beautiful
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Open Car
Deadwing
Glass Arm Shattering
Mellotron Scratch
Lazarus
Halo
Shallow
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Rank the songs from the Incident! GO! (If anybody cares about this album :sadpanda:)
I love The Incident, I don't get why it's not better liked around these parts!
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Rank the songs from the Incident! GO! (If anybody cares about this album :sadpanda:)
Flicker
Remember Me Lover
The Seance
Kneel And Disconnect
The Blind House
The Incident
the rest
Drawing The Line
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I'MDRAWINGTHELINEI'MDRAWINGTHELINEI'MDRAWINGTHELINEIDRAWTHELIIIINE
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I love that chorus. :metal
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I don't get the hate for Drawing the Line. It's one of the few songs I actually like on The Incident :lol
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Your unpleasant family smashed up my carrrrrr
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I love The Incident, I don't get why it's not better liked around these parts!
Because some people are goofy. For me, it is still constantly in a fight with Signify for PTs's 4th best album (behind Lightbulb Sun, Stupid Dream and Deadwing).
Your unpleasant family smashed up my carrrrrr
What's funny about that line is that most people do not realize that it is a metaphor.
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Whenever I listen to The Incident I quite like it, but I never really have the urge to listen to it. Definitely a "the sum is better then the parts" kind of album for me. The songs are great, but I don't think any of them are among the best the band has made.
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I don't get the hate for Drawing the Line. It's one of the few songs I actually like on The Incident :lol
But but Time Flies! Remember Me Lover!! ALL THE REST OF THEM!!
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I like all the songs on the second disc but there's only a couple I like on the first disc.
Time Flies is not one of them. IRONICALLY, TIME DOES NOT FLY WHILE LISTENING TO THAT SONG HAHAHAHAHA...ahem, yes.
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You're a funny guy Mr Pears.
Time Flies is awesome though.
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Thanks, Mr. McKenzie.
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And you've done it again :clap:
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Okay, I can't actually tell if you're joking any more :lol
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You're the only joker here Mr Funnyguy, my wit couldn't stand up to yours.
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The sad thing is that it couldn't.
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Umm actually, who laughs most when we're in each others' company?? DEFINITELY you. And we both know it has nothing to do with you always laughing and everything to do with me being hilarious and making you laugh. Case settled.
I'mma go listen to The Incident :biggrin:
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I laugh the most in all situations.
Also, notice that I laugh even more when we're having those angry staring contests? It's because I'm laughing at your face.
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Sometimes your words hurt :(
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DEAL WITH IT
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I laugh the most in all situations.
Also, notice that I laugh even more when we're having those angry staring contests? It's because I'm laughing at your face.
:clap:
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I love that chorus. :metal
The song is ok, it's the chorus I hate :D
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I love that chorus. :metal
The song is ok, it's the chorus I hate :D
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Rank the songs from the Incident! GO! (If anybody cares about this album :sadpanda:)
I love The Incident, I don't get why it's not better liked around these parts!
Same here! Disc 2 is so underrated..
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Rank the songs from the Incident! GO! (If anybody cares about this album :sadpanda:)
I love The Incident, I don't get why it's not better liked around these parts!
Same here! Disc 2 is so underrated..
I agree with you, Disc 2 is great.
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Disc 2 is the best part of The Incident.
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Everything is the best part of the Incident.
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^ Yes.
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Disc 2 is the best part of The Incident.
This. I can't bear to listen to Disc 1 anymore. It's too disappointing. There's a few moments where I'll get into it and the music picks up and I can see where Wilson was going with this project. But in the end, it's so fucking bland and boring that I forget this is the man whose made some of my most beloved music. He did not blow his load on TI; not even once. I see no inspiration in the album, it's very straightforward; I feel like the music doesn't leave much to the imagination, if that makes any sense. I mean, it isn't as if I dislike the album entirely, as I said there's a few moments where I'll get goosebumps and really be into it (Blind House, beginning of The Incident, The Seance and I Drive The Hearse) but for the most part, I feel completely and utterly underwhelmed.
The Incident as a whole is like looking at a very attractive, stark naked woman... but after I've already blown my load. It's like, hey lady, you're nice to look at but I'm fresh out of fishies, so why don't you go do something productive; go get a job, go see if that deer you ran over the other day is alright, you said it was limping so maybe it's still alive! She listens, and does all these things, and then when she comes back I'm ready to go, cause I'm a hard working man, don't'cha know!? But alas, she's tired and wants to sleep, while I've gotta date with Mr. Righty. That's what The Incident is, it's just too much effort to listen to that whole spiel and I get hardly anything out of it save for the aforementioned songs. Or handjob. Whichever. Either way, Wilson can do much, much better. So can Bernice.
Disc 2 is a different story. It's like the freedom and creativity randomly came out and he decided to be a badass again. Sigh. Here's hoping when PT gets back in the game that there's true inspiration to be had...instead of a fender bender.
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The first disc is pretty good, but sort of bland. About half the songs really stand out. I haven't really listened to the second disc all that much.
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Time Flies is not one of them. IRONICALLY, TIME DOES NOT FLY WHILE LISTENING TO THAT SONG HAHAHAHAHA...ahem, yes.
Yup.
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I'MDRAWINGTHELINEI'MDRAWINGTHELINEI'MDRAWINGTHELINEIDRAWTHELIIIINE
That song was one that had me live, I first heard the incident live but only up to that song.
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Time Flies is not one of them. IRONICALLY, TIME DOES NOT FLY WHILE LISTENING TO THAT SONG HAHAHAHAHA...ahem, yes.
Yup.
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Time Flies is a really good song. Maybe even my second favorite on the album after I Drive the Hearse.
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Yeah Time Flies is a top song off the album for me.
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I really like The Incident. I get that people aren't into the "song cycle" format or whatever but I always listen to disc 1 in one sitting like it's just one long song and it works well for me. Kind of like The Whirlwind.
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Is it weird that Cure For Optimism is one of my favourite PT songs? I seriously love that song so much.
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Not weird at all; it's a great tune! :coolio
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Stranger By The Minute :heart
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Not weird at all; it's a great tune! :coolio
It really is. Shame it wouldn't get as much attention, being a B-Side and all. And I know some don't like the lyrics, but I actually love them.
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Not weird at all; it's a great tune! :coolio
This, the B sides from LBS are amazing!
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What Happens Now? is an awesome song :metal
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Yes, yes, yes! As is Buying New Soul.
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Yes, yes, yes! As is Burning My Soul.
fix'd
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no. go away.
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I love the Bon Jovi thing that Steven Wilson uses on that song!
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Listening to Stupid Dream for the first time. Don't Hate Me is amazing.
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Listening to Stupid Dream for the first time. Don't Hate Me is amazing.
While it is amazing, the chorus really takes away from the song IMO.
Listening to my favorite PT song right now, Fadeaway :)
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While it is amazing, the chorus really takes away from the song IMO.
Agreed.
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Listening to Stupid Dream for the first time. Don't Hate Me is amazing.
Yes it is. And so is the rest of that record. :)
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While it is amazing, the chorus really takes away from the song IMO.
Agreed.
x2.
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While it is amazing, the chorus really takes away from the song IMO.
Agreed.
x2.
Wow, I actually think the chorus is amazing. Love the flute and sax too.
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The chorus is amazing, the song is perfect, and it's one of their absolute best.
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The chorus is amazing, the song is perfect, and it's one of their absolute best.
Thanks. I was getting worried there for a minute.
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The chorus is one of the best on Stupid Dream. It's jarring and desperate, capturing the feeling incredibly well.
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The chorus is one of the best on Stupid Dream. It's jarring and desperate, capturing the feeling incredibly well.
Agreed. I can understand why some might view it as whiny, but I find it very powerful.
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Don't Hate Me. Also, he sounds like Sting during the chorus.
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Really? I don't hear it. Just like how I don't hear how some think Gotye sounds like Sting. Heh.
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Don't Hate Me = My least favorite PT chorus ever.
Totally ruins the song.
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Replace Don't Hate Me with Drawing the Line then yes I agree.
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The chorus is one of the best on Stupid Dream. It's jarring and desperate, capturing the feeling incredibly well.
I don't know it comes off whiny to me, I get what he was getting at but its just off putting to me.
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Replace Don't Hate Me with Drawing the Line then yes I agree.
Ooh yeah, not one of my favorites but I don't hate it really. I do get tired of it by the end of the song though.
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Best chorus? Shit..
it's hard, there are SO many great choruses.
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My favourite is Baby Dream in Cellophane. Can't imagine anyone else agreeing though. Don't Hate Me is probably 2nd. Stupid Dream is just an album full of great verse/chorus melodies.
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I think my favorite is Remember Me Lover.
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Further proof as to why we might be a match.
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A few months ago, I was on vacation, and it was probably about midnight in the hotel room. I had all of the Porcupine Tree songs on shuffle, as I was drifting to sleep.
I hadn't heard all their songs, and fucking Space Transmission came on. Scared me shitless, because it was dark, and all I heard was whispering.
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Remember Me Lover is a great chorus too.
Haha, yeah that'd be weird.
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Not sure how related to the topic this is, but when I saw Agalloch live 3 days ago, they played pretty much only songs from The Incident before the show started. (at the venue)
Was pretty surprised, and I don't think there were many except for me who knew what music it was. :P
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Not sure how related to the topic this is, but when I saw Agalloch live 3 days ago, they played pretty much only songs from The Incident before the show started. (at the venue)
Was pretty surprised, and I don't think there were many except for me who knew what music it was. :P
Thats cool!
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I'm not too crazy about the chorus in Don't hate me. Pure narcotic and Piano lessons, on the other hand, have awesome choruses. :metal
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I really don't see how the chorus ruins the song, IMO it's amazing, and at the moment, my fav song on the album.
The chorus is one of the best on Stupid Dream. It's jarring and desperate, capturing the feeling incredibly well.
This, the line 'Can I call you on the telephone, now and then' is a perfect line for someone who is lonely, desperate and just longing to want the other person to love them and acknowledge them again, it's brilliant.
Don't Hate Me. Also, he sounds like Sting during the chorus.
Don't hear that at all.
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My fave chorus on the album is Stranger by the Minute.
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Now when Darkes7 is not here anymore, I can say this without getting my ass kicked.
Baby Dream in Cellophane = awesome. :hefdaddy
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Pure Narcotic is perhaps my favourite on the album. Pretty nice chorus too.
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Ranking of SD's songs by chorus:
A Smart Kid
Don't Hate Me
Slave Called Shiver
Pure Narcotic
Even Less
This is No Rehearsal
Piano Lessons (great song otherwise)
Stop Swimming (great song otherwise)
Stranger By The Minute (just annoyingly psychedelic for the point of being psychedelic...the one song I really don't get off SD)
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A Smart Kid is probably my favourite from the album. Brilliant song.
In fact, I think I'm going to give Stupid Dream a spin in my CD player :)
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Never a bad choice.
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I don't know if anyone else heard anything about this, but later this year, around Autumn, Kscope will be releasing a 2CD/DVD package called "Porcupine Tree - Live."
From what I have heard, the DVD will be of the show in Chicago where they played the whole "The Incident" song and the 2 CDs will be of the Royal Albert Hall concert. The Chicago show was filmed with a low budget (was possibly just going to be for private reference) so that's why I'm guessing there will not be a Blu-Ray and the Royal Albert Hall concert had the audio from the soundboard recorded.
(Setlists below)
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Setlist for the Chicago concert (The DVD)
First Set: The Incident
Occam's Razor
The Blind House
Great Expectations
Kneel and Disconnect
Drawing the Line
The Incident
Your Unpleasant Family
The Yellow Windows of the Evening Train
Time Flies
Degree Zero of Liberty
Octane Twisted
The Séance
Circle of Manias
I Drive the Hearse
Second Set
Hatesong
Lazarus
Russia on Ice(only first half)
Anesthetize(Part 2: "The Pills I'm Taking")
Stars Die
Normal
Bonnie the Cat
Encore:
Blackest Eyes
Trains
Setlist for the Royal Albert Hall concert (The 2CDs)
First Set (Semi-Acoustic "Opening Act" Set)
Stranger by the Minute
Small Fish
Pure Narcotic
Black Dahlia
Futile
Second Set
Even Less(Full version)
Open Car
Lazarus
Dislocated Day
The Sky Moves Sideways (Phase One)
I Drive the Hearse
Bonnie the Cat
Third Set
Occam's Razor
The Blind House
Great Expectations
Kneel and Disconnect
Drawing the Line
Tinto Brass
Time Flies
Anesthetize(only Second Part: The Pills I'm Taking)
Up the Downstair
Sleep Together
Encore:
Arriving Somewhere but Not Here
Trains
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More interested in the second one (since I couldn't attend the anniversary gigs) but really excited never the less.
Also, while I don't think so myself, conspirators might argue that this is another indication on the end of PT, releasing a double PT-live album that covers a big part of their catalog. :P
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More interested in the second one (since I couldn't attend the anniversary gigs) but really excited never the less.
Also, while I don't think so myself, conspirators might argue that this is another indication on the end of PT, releasing a double PT-live album that covers a big part of their catalog. :P
Steven already said that Porcupine Tree will be getting back together after Steven's 3rd solo album, but when that is exactly is still not set in stone, I would guess sometime in 2013.
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Meh. There's too much Incident for me to care all that much, but there are some interesting songs in that setlist that could be fun to watch. I don't think I'd pay for this though. I really just wish The Incident would go away and never be heard from again.
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The only thing both setlists need is Buying New Soul in the Chicago set. I'll definitely drop money on this.
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So long as the quality of the DVD is good, I'll be happy. I rarely listen to live CDs, so my interest in the Royal Albert Hall thing is limited; still miffed that they didn't record that for a live Blu-Ray and DVD release.
And the more Incident, the better! :biggrin:
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So long as the quality of the DVD is good, I'll be happy. I rarely listen to live CDs, so my interest in the Royal Albert Hall thing is limited; still miffed that they didn't record that for a live Blu-Ray and DVD release.
And the more Incident, the better! :biggrin:
Steven said since it was their first time playing such a huge venue, having it recorded would have made them too nervous, and he didn't want to have it visually recorded and it was way expensive.
It would have been nice though, but I suspect it won't be their last time playing the Royal Albert Hall and Radio City Music Hall.
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More interested in the second one (since I couldn't attend the anniversary gigs) but really excited never the less.
Also, while I don't think so myself, conspirators might argue that this is another indication on the end of PT, releasing a double PT-live album that covers a big part of their catalog. :P
Steven already said that Porcupine Tree will be getting back together after Steven's 3rd solo album, but when that is exactly is still not set in stone, I would guess sometime in 2013.
Yeah I know, but that's why I added "the conspirators might say" :P
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Will be buying both the solo and PT DVDs.
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So long as the quality of the DVD is good, I'll be happy. I rarely listen to live CDs, so my interest in the Royal Albert Hall thing is limited; still miffed that they didn't record that for a live Blu-Ray and DVD release.
I feel like I'm the exact opposite :lol
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Yeah same. While I appreciate DVD's, I rarely find the time to watch them. Don't get me wrong, I love the live aspect of music, but it's not the same for me to see it on my TV then seeing it live. If I really want to, I might watch a music DVD. With a live CD however, the same problem doesn't exist. I can listen to it pretty much when I feel like it, being busy with other things is no object because it doesn't require me to sit down for 2 hours and watch the screen. :P
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I don't know if anyone else heard anything about this, but later this year, around Autumn, Kscope will be releasing a 2CD/DVD package called "Porcupine Tree - Live."
From what I have heard, the DVD will be of the show in Chicago where they played the whole "The Incident" song and the 2 CDs will be of the Royal Albert Hall concert. The Chicago show was filmed with a low budget (was possibly just going to be for private reference) so that's why I'm guessing there will not be a Blu-Ray and the Royal Albert Hall concert had the audio from the soundboard recorded.
(Setlists below)
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Setlist for the Chicago concert (The DVD)
First Set: The Incident
Occam's Razor
The Blind House
Great Expectations
Kneel and Disconnect
Drawing the Line
The Incident
Your Unpleasant Family
The Yellow Windows of the Evening Train
Time Flies
Degree Zero of Liberty
Octane Twisted
The Séance
Circle of Manias
I Drive the Hearse
Second Set
Hatesong
Lazarus
Russia on Ice(only first half)
Anesthetize(Part 2: "The Pills I'm Taking")
Stars Die
Normal
Bonnie the Cat
Encore:
Blackest Eyes
Trains
Setlist for the Royal Albert Hall concert (The 2CDs)
First Set (Semi-Acoustic "Opening Act" Set)
Stranger by the Minute
Small Fish
Pure Narcotic
Black Dahlia
Futile
Second Set
Even Less(Full version)
Open Car
Lazarus
Dislocated Day
The Sky Moves Sideways (Phase One)
I Drive the Hearse
Bonnie the Cat
Third Set
Occam's Razor
The Blind House
Great Expectations
Kneel and Disconnect
Drawing the Line
Tinto Brass
Time Flies
Anesthetize(only Second Part: The Pills I'm Taking)
Up the Downstair
Sleep Together
Encore:
Arriving Somewhere but Not Here
Trains
What's the Ulver thingie down left??
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Roadburn EP? Possibly.
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I too rarely watch live DVDs, but Anesthetize is probably one of my most watched concert films, so I will not hesitate for a second picking this up (especially since I didn't get to see The Incident live because they scrapped the idea to play the older gems at the Radio City show instead).
I was hoping RCMH would be chosen for the live CD, but RAH was the same setlist + Trains.... can't complain!
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What's the Ulver thingie down left??
According to wiki they have an EP coming this year :caffeine:
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Stoked for the royal albert hall release, mainly cos I went to it :biggrin:
But it would be great to see hear some of the rarer footage and of course relive the experience.
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^ What Jag said.
It was a damn good gig.
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Nice. Love The Incident and was at the RCMH gig (same set minus Trains), and so I'm REALLY looking forward to this.
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After being a very very, casual fan of PT for many years yet owning some of their albums, I have never really had the patience to sit down and really pay close attention to their material, nothing really grabbed me initially, they are finally opening themselves up to me, and I am very open to their style which I am not usually a fan of.
I am finding them absolutely incredible the more I delve into their albums. Songs like The Sound of Muzak, Trains, Arriving, Blackest Eyes, Even Less, Layby, Something Beautiful etc. I now just find amazing, and discovering this band more and more is a very exciting experience. The sounds and atmosphere Steven Wilson creates with his music is incredible.
Edit: Where can you get all PT's bonus tracks on cd? Looking into them more it seems there is quite a few bonus tracks. I have ordered Recordings but songs like Futile, Mother and Child Divided, Drown With Me etc. Some of the tracks only seem to be available on DVD-A for some reason.
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That's basically how it happened with me. I didn't find them that amazing at first, but now I love them so much. Have you listened to Fear of a Blank Planet yet?
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Where can you get all PT's bonus tracks on cd? Looking into them more it seems there is quite a few bonus tracks. I have ordered Recordings but songs like Futile, Mother and Child Divided, Drown With Me etc. Some of the tracks only seem to be available on DVD-A for some reason.
yes, both "Revenant" and "Mother and Child Divided" studio versions are only on the Deadwing DVD-A (though both are featured on the Arriving Somewhere releases too).
otherwise, the Futile EP collects most of the In Absentia b-sides and is a download on Burning Shed (except "Meantime", which they also sell as a download), there are two more Deadwing b-sides on the Lazarus single, and the Nil Recurring EP.
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Thanks mate, I might have to check out those EP's. Yeah I know about the DVD, I was trying to figure out where those songs came from, and no wonder I couldn't find them on a studio release.
I wish there was a Arriving Somewhere CD, great show.
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I'm a pretty new PT fan, I've yet to hear Sunday, SMS, Stupid Dream and The Incident. I already think FOABP is one of the greatest albums I've ever heard (Anesthetize being one of my favorite songs as well) and the others are starting to click after some listening. :tup I'm surprised I didn't check them out earlier but as some say: "better late than never"!
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Thanks mate, I might have to check out those EP's. Yeah I know about the DVD, I was trying to figure out where those songs came from, and no wonder I couldn't find them on a studio release.
I wish there was a Arriving Somewhere CD, great show.
Nil Recurring is awesome and definitely worth the purchase.
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Thanks mate, I might have to check out those EP's. Yeah I know about the DVD, I was trying to figure out where those songs came from, and no wonder I couldn't find them on a studio release.
I wish there was a Arriving Somewhere CD, great show.
Nil Recurring is awesome and definitely worth the purchase.
This guy knows his shit.
See the peanut?
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Holy shit, A Smart Kid is fucking incredible!!
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I wish there was a Arriving Somewhere CD, great show.
there is a download version of the soundtrack (in FLAC or MP3) at Burning Shed. that's the closest we'll get!
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Holy shit, A Smart Kid is fucking incredible!!
Yeah! Great song.
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I wish there was a Arriving Somewhere CD, great show.
there is a download version of the soundtrack (in FLAC or MP3) at Burning Shed. that's the closest we'll get!
Awesome, thanks, will be looking into that.
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I think Stranger By The Minute is my favorite from Stupid Dream
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I think Stranger By The Minute is my favorite from Stupid Dream
definitely one of my favorites as well!
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I think Stranger By The Minute is my favorite from Stupid Dream
That one is definitely growing on me also. It could be my fourth fav after Even Less, Don't Hate me and A Smart Kid has jumped straight into the top 3.
Listening to The Start of Something Beautiful now. Amazing, definitely second best after Arriving.
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My faves from Stupid Dream are probably the last 4. Arriving and Mellotron are my fave from Deadwing followed by Lazarus and the title track.
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Yeah, the last 4 are awesome, Tinto Brass is killer.
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I'm not that crazy about the last four songs on Stupid dream, especially the last two. The album starts amazingly, but kinda drags towards the end. Am I the only one who prefers Lightbulb sun?
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I prefer Lightbulb Sun but not because I find Stupid Dream lacking at all.
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I prefer Lightbulb Sun for sure, just on another level to Stupid Dream IMO. In my top 20 albums ever.
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Agreed.
On a different topic, what do you guys think about Stars Die: The Delerium Years? I've listened to the first three albums a couple of times and they don't do that much for me so I'm considering purchasing this compilation instead of these 3 albums. This way I would own a physical copy of the songs I've enjoyed from those albums (Moonloop, Stars Die, Synesthesia...) plus I've also read that the booklet on this album is amazing.
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Stars Die is a pretty good collection. Personally I'm not a fan of collections, but I guess it sums up the earlier stuff quite well, and offers you some B-sides that are a bit rare. I'm glad I bought it, but I very rarely spin it in comparison to the studio albums themselves, I'd rather listen to Up the Downstair, The Sky Moves Sideways or Signify in full, but I still think it's a nice thing to have. :P
Regarding Stupid Dream vs Lightbulb Sun, I think they're both fantastic. I say that Stupid Dream is a slightly better album overall. While Lightbulb Sun has some amazing songs, and some of the band's best IMO (like the title-track, Hatesong, Russia on Ice & Last Chance...) I feel like the rest of the songs aren't near those in terms of quality. I don't think the rest is bad, but it's a bunch of good songs that I don't particularly care for outside of the album. Stupid Dream however has higher lows IMO.
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I do own Signify though (it's in my top 3 PT albums) so Stars Die would just replace OTSOL, TSMS and UTD.
I guess the question is: are there any great songs from these three albums that I would miss out on if I got Stars Die instead of the albums?
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Yeah, personally I think so. While Stars Die covers a lot of ground, it does lack a few amazing songs from the earlier albums. I think it covers the debut (On the Sunday of Life) pretty good, Nostalgia Factory, Radioactive Toy, Nine Cats and And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun are probably the best 4 songs on the album.
As for Up the Downstair, Stars Die doesn't have Always Never, Burning Sky or Small Fish (all are really great), and as for The Sky Moves Sideways it doesn't have The Moon Touches Your Shoulder, Dislocated Day or Moonloop.
So you might miss out on stuff, but you could still get it, and if you really like it, you could always pick up the first 3 studio albums later on. I don't know if you have it, but Coma Divine is an amazing live album that features songs from the first four albums. Personally I think it's their best live release.
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Agreed.
On a different topic, what do you guys think about Stars Die: The Delerium Years? I've listened to the first three albums a couple of times and they don't do that much for me so I'm considering purchasing this compilation instead of these 3 albums. This way I would own a physical copy of the songs I've enjoyed from those albums (Moonloop, Stars Die, Synesthesia...) plus I've also read that the booklet on this album is amazing.
I discovered PT by hearing "Mellotron Scratch" (still love this song) and then I bought Stars Die, I didn't realize at the time that it was a compilation and truth be told I didn't like it, but the few songs I did like, I loved, songs like "Fadeaway", "Dark Matter", and "Stars Die" " so I decided to check out the discography and I feel in love.
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Hum if it doesn't have Moonloop it's a no for me - I was checking Coma Divine and Stars Die at the same time and for some reason I thought Moonloop was in both.
I'm not too big on live albums so I guess I'll just pick the three individual albums - these plus the Incident is all I'm missing to complete PT's discography. I have to admit I will just pick these 4 up for the sake of completeness, they aren't comparable to Signify through FOABP for me.
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Personally I think Up the Downstair is just as good as Deadwing/Lightbulb Sun/Stupid Dream. The Sky Moves Sideways is great as well, OTSOL is probably the only album in the PT-catalog where I feel like I bought it for the sake of owning it. Not saying that it's horrible (it has some great songs), but as an album it's a few steps below the rest.
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Hum if it doesn't have Moonloop it's a no for me - I was checking Coma Divine and Stars Die at the same time and for some reason I thought Moonloop was in both.
I'm not too big on live albums so I guess I'll just pick the three individual albums - these plus the Incident is all I'm missing to complete PT's discography. I have to admit I will just pick these 4 up for the sake of completeness, they aren't comparable to Signify through FOABP for me.
honestly, i wouldn't buy any of it until you enjoy them enough to do so. the artwork and packaging isn't going to convince you it's a good record, so why not wait until the day you go listen to it and say, "damn, what have i been missing all this time?" it's pretty much inevitable. even if it takes you 20 years, you'll eventually listen to OTSOL and enjoy the vast majority! it's a graduation that happens for most people who utterly love a band. the more you listen, the more you like.
of course, i don't think you should count on that happening, either. more reason to save your money until you have a connection to those records. then you already think they're worth owning!
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I'm not that crazy about the last four songs on Stupid dream, especially the last two. The album starts amazingly, but kinda drags towards the end. Am I the only one who prefers Lightbulb sun?
No, LS is almost a masterpiece.
SD, to me, is merely a good album with some great songs.
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The outro to The Start of Something Beautiful is giving me a hard on right now.
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New PT fan here. After listening to them in passing for a few years thanks to Pandora, last night I decided to buy The Incident. Not that many bands make feel like a fan practically overnight after a single listen, but PT did just that. From what I've read, many hardcore PT fans downright hate The Incident. I guess after being long time fans you get somewhat jaded. But for someone new to the band, I think this is a great introductory album.
I'm on my third listen and so far I like time flies, the incident, circle of manias and I drive the hearse the most. The whole album is great though.
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Don't listen to those noobs, The Incident is awesome.
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I have owned the Incident for a while, but never really listened to it. I'm still pluging Stupid Dream a lot and Deadwing also, The Incident and FOABP are next.
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Don't listen to those noobs, The Incident is awesome.
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The Incident is probably a solid/weak 4 out of 5 for me. While it's a great album, I think it has a few flaws, I don't really have the urge to listen to any of the songs outside of the album, but while I listen to the album I enjoy them.
Most of my disappointment might come from the fact that FOABP is a 5/5 for me, and The Incident doesn't reach the same levels for me.
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Don't listen to those noobs, The Incident is awesome.
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Listen to those n00bs.
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When did The Incident become so hated? It's a great album.
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The Incident is really good, although I wish it was released as a single disc. The songs on disc two are fine, but they just don't work as a part of the album, it would have been a far more consistent record had it only been released as The Incident, a 55-minute long piece. The other four songs could have been released as a bonus disc. But that's just my opinion, I know many fans like the songs on second disc better than anything on disc one.
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I don't like the fact that it's a double CD. I like both CD's, but when I finish the songcycle, it's like "Bah.. the album isn't over yet". In that sense it feels too long.
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Don't listen to those noobs, The Incident is awesome.
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https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Porcupine-Tree/328/ I think the rating on The Incident compared to the other albums is quite interesting. Inb4 "nobody cares about sputnik", but I think it's interesting. :P
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https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=290
It's pretty much the same on progarchives.
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I really don't like most of The Incident; at all. There are a few great songs, but it doesn't make up for the overall lack of interest. Also...the complaints about the second disc baffle me. Are you saying you'd rather those songs be on one disc? Yet your complaints seem to be that it makes the 'song cycle' continue on for too long. Except the song cycle is over at the end of the first disc. That is...precisely why there is a second disc; because it isn't apart of the song cycle and those songs are essentially a 'bonus'. They have no relation to the first disc at all aside from being created in the same time period of the first. At least that was my impression (Wilson spoke of a second disc before its release and said something along those lines, like it is apart of the experience of TI but it is not apart of the song cycle of "The Incident", hence the second disc's existence at all) and frankly even if it's wrong I'll still view them as such considering that it isn't as if Flicker continues or flows from I Drive The Hearse. Weird. Either way, I love the second disc for the most part, especially Flicker. I don't know what it is about TI as a whole, I just don't like having to listen to the whole damn thing to get the most out of it, because listening to it song-by-song (obviously not in sequence) doesn't work well at all for me. Then there are some songs that I flat out don't like, which is odd because I'd gladly drink the milk from Wilson's musical penis but he did not blow his load on this one. :sadpanda:
Here's hoping when he does come back to PT that he has a new sense of inspiration and a whole new direction, because if the next album is anything like TI, I'll go from 'not minding that much' if PT disbands to flat out wanting it. Woot for the third solo album! But still..hoping PT releases a new, fresh, anti-Incident album in the next few years.
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The Incident is good, but it's definitely in the bottom half of their albums for me.
Great Expectations/Kneel And Disconnect, Blind House, The Incident and Octane Twisted are the highlights for me. I'm not a huge fan of Time Flies and I think I Drive the Hearse is overrated too.
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I still say that The Incident is in the 4-6 range of PT studio albums along with Signify and In Absentia, with the top three for me obviously being Lightbulb Sun, Stupid Dream and Deadwing.
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I don't like the fact that it's a double CD. I like both CD's, but when I finish the songcycle, it's like "Bah.. the album isn't over yet". In that sense it feels too long.
i do think it wasn't worth releasing as an actual double album. it's actually quite ludicrous they chose to do it that way. it would have been simpler and gotten more press if they'd released disc 2 as an EP about four or six months after the main disc, the same way they did Futile with IA and Nil Recurring with FOABP.
(of course, you can do that as is...)
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I don't know why that's a problem though... It isn't a 'double album' at all (outside of being a literal/physical meaning of the packaging containing two discs); it would be accurate to say that the second disc isn't apart of the album "The Incident". It is in fact an EP that just so happened to be packaged with the album itself. The Incident comprises the first disc, it ends at I Drive The Hearse; the second disc is a bonus and is a standalone CD outside of the entire 55-minute song-cycle.
I'm missing the point here... Not that it matters, it just seems odd to fault it for having a second CD when it's not apart of the song-cycle, which seems pretty essential to the idea of The Incident. You'd simply have to pay more money and wait longer to get more material. If anything, fault The Incident for being mostly boring poop, not for having an awesome scond disc that doesn't even continue the cycle. You might as well call the second disc a different name entirely; Bonnie The Cat's Bonus Disc.
Anyway, I'd much rather the next album not be a big concept or anything like that. It'd be nice just to get a normal album with songs that may or may not relate to one another and have a bit of diversity within the album.
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Actually, most or all of the songs from Disc 2 can be tied to the theme of the song cycle if you interpret it in a certain way. ;)
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Hurburderbur, remember me lover.
Something berber, remember me lover.
That's all I remember about the lyrics for that song. That's basically how it goes, right? :)
But yeah, The Incident was my intro to PT, I still like it a lot even if I have long since heard their better albums. It was enough to make me check out the rest, so I'd say it at least works as a starting point. But besides Remember Me Lover, I don't get the love for disc 2 at all. :lol
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Well, interpretation leaves everything up in the air, but officially I mean; the way the band intended it was for The Incident to be one disc. But yeah, it's definitely tied to the The Incident through the lyrics and even some instrumental beats, which is why I suppose they didn't release it separately because it's close in relation to the theme of TI; but I definitely wouldn't call it an extension of the album. It's a close cousin of TI and they just so happen to eff each other because they've got issues and that is the incident that made Bonnie a cat. Cause cats are gross and always rubbing up against...their...cousins...
<.<
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:corn
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I definitely like how they handled The Incident; letting the song cycle be its own thing within the album. If you're listening to the whole thing through, it gives the listener the option of taking a break between discs, or throwing disc two on immediately afterward.
I've always felt that the songs on disc two share the same sort of feel as disc one.
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Well, interpretation leaves everything up in the air, but officially I mean; the way the band intended it was for The Incident to be one disc. But yeah, it's definitely tied to the The Incident through the lyrics and even some instrumental beats, which is why I suppose they didn't release it separately because it's close in relation to the theme of TI; but I definitely wouldn't call it an extension of the album. It's a close cousin of TI and they just so happen to eff each other because they've got issues and that is the incident that made Bonnie a cat. Cause cats are gross and always rubbing up against...their...cousins...
<.<
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:corn
The second disc isn't an EP. It is part of the album, its not a bonus disc. The only reason it is split is because Wilson wanted to put emphasis on the first 14 songs being tied together in one piece. The DVD-A doesnt list it as a bonus EP like it does with Deadwing/FOABP/LBS. It is intended to be one complete album.
That said, I do listen to the two individually often, especially disc 2.
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Well, interpretation leaves everything up in the air, but officially I mean; the way the band intended it was for The Incident to be one disc. But yeah, it's definitely tied to the The Incident through the lyrics and even some instrumental beats, which is why I suppose they didn't release it separately because it's close in relation to the theme of TI; but I definitely wouldn't call it an extension of the album. It's a close cousin of TI and they just so happen to eff each other because they've got issues and that is the incident that made Bonnie a cat. Cause cats are gross and always rubbing up against...their...cousins...
<.<
>.>
:corn
The second disc isn't an EP. It is part of the album, its not a bonus disc. The only reason it is split is because Wilson wanted to put emphasis on the first 14 songs being tied together in one piece. The DVD-A doesnt list it as a bonus EP like it does with Deadwing/FOABP/LBS. It is intended to be one complete album.
This. Also both are awesome.
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Well, interpretation leaves everything up in the air, but officially I mean; the way the band intended it was for The Incident to be one disc. But yeah, it's definitely tied to the The Incident through the lyrics and even some instrumental beats, which is why I suppose they didn't release it separately because it's close in relation to the theme of TI; but I definitely wouldn't call it an extension of the album. It's a close cousin of TI and they just so happen to eff each other because they've got issues and that is the incident that made Bonnie a cat. Cause cats are gross and always rubbing up against...their...cousins...
<.<
>.>
:corn
The second disc isn't an EP. It is part of the album, its not a bonus disc. The only reason it is split is because Wilson wanted to put emphasis on the first 14 songs being tied together in one piece. The DVD-A doesnt list it as a bonus EP like it does with Deadwing/FOABP/LBS. It is intended to be one complete album.
That said, I do listen to the two individually often, especially disc 2.
I didn't mean it so literal, of course it's apart of the album, I was attempting to make a point by saying it may as well be an EP and can be viewed as a sort of bonus, obviously they released it with the album purposefully; but people seemed to be giving the impression that it's apart of the song-cycle of "The Incident", which it is not. It is a completion of the album in that there are two parts, The Incident, and then the separate disc 2. I know Wiki is always given a bunch of shit for being completely unreliable (which is ridiculous) but here it is anyway (and it's cited from the official site; I also remember reading this when the album was first introduced):
[T]he centre-piece is the title track, which takes up the whole of the first disc ... The 55-minute work is described as a slightly surreal song cycle ... The self-produced album is completed by four standalone compositions that developed out of band writing sessions last December - Flicker, Bonnie the Cat, Black Dahlia, and Remember Me Lover feature on a separate EP length disc to stress their independence from the song cycle.
So yes, it is one complete album, I didn't actually mean that the second disc is an EP, but rather what is referred to above in that it is completely separate from TI and is the length of an EP, but has connections to the album and is similar enough to be called apart of the experience.
I'll let this be now, considering it really doesn't make a difference but if someone thought that it was apart of The Incident then I just wanted to set things straight. Because yeah, it would be kind of ridiculous to have a second disc and it still be apart of TI. They should have named the second disc something else, as Wilson did with the bonus disc (which actually is a bonus disc) in Grace For Drowning; the third disc is called "The Map", so it's a bit more obvious that its separate. But I guess that's a different case altogether. All things aside, I think the second disc kicks the first's ass. Hell, there's about the same number of songs that I like from TI as there are on the second disc. For useless information, the only songs I can stand on TI are: Blind House, Great Expectations, The Incident, and I Drive The Hearse. Every other track bores the shit out of me. Like, I'll be sitting there thinking "Man, the guys on DTF have to be on to something...here we go, start to finish" and then halfway through I've found that I'm sitting in a warm, juicy pile of my own shit. It's fucking odd.
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That's gotta be a fun smell.
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Ummmm.... My poop does not smell. So fucking rude.
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So which album you guys recommend after really liking TI?
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I'd say just move backwards from there. You won't necessarily be getting to the best albums right away (IMO anyways) but it will give you a really good sense of how they've progressed over time. Though I suppose for you it would be a regression.
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Browsing iTunes now. In absentia seems like one not to miss. Plus everyone seems to love Trains here haha!
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IA is a great album, it's the album that turned me into a fan of PT.
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I'd say just move backwards from there. You won't necessarily be getting to the best albums right away (IMO anyways) but it will give you a really good sense of how they've progressed over time. Though I suppose for you it would be a regression.
This.
I remember Fear of a Blank Planet was my first and then I just moved backwards.
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The order I went in
Fear of A Blank Planet
In Absentia/Deadwing
The Incident
Llightbulb Sun
Stupid Dream
Signify
The Sky Moves Sideways
Up The Downstair
On The Sunday of Life
So I mostly went backwards, aside from the first couple I heard (which were all the more recent albums anyways)
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I can't remember my order. All I remember is IA was first.
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My first was Deadwing then IA. Cant remember from there. FOABP was last.
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On a dilemma right now. I was about to download Deadwing and In Absentia but I think I now want the actual CD's. There is still something special about having that jewel case. The thing is I doubt I'll find it anywhere locally.
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Buy it online!
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On a dilemma right now. I was about to download Deadwing and In Absentia but I think I now want the actual CD's. There is still something special about having that jewel case. The thing is I doubt I'll find it anywhere locally.
You might not find it in a best buy or something like that but most record stores should have at least some PT.
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Bit the bullet. I'm downloading Deadwing right now (iTunes) what sucks is that iTunes doesn't have all of their records. Next I'm gonna get in absentia and warszawa. I'll have to look elsewhere for SD and FOABP.
Oh yeah after several listens of TI I really can't pinpoint a song I don't like. The only part I find cheesy is the Drawing the Line chorus. The song is so awesome but that chorus kinda ruins it, makes the song a bit too poppy IMO.
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The only part I find cheesy is the Drawing the Line chorus. The song is so awesome but that chorus kinda ruins it, makes the song a bit too poppy IMO.
One thing about PT a lot of people agree on :lol
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The chorus of Drawing the Line might get annoying if there was too much like it on the album, but as it stands it's an amazing chorus and an amazing song.
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Yeah I love the chorus of Drawing the Line. If more choruses had been like it (on the album) then maybe it had been more annoying, but we're talking about a chorus that's sung like 3 times in a fairly short song.
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Bit the bullet. I'm downloading Deadwing right now (iTunes) what sucks is that iTunes doesn't have all of their records. Next I'm gonna get in absentia and warszawa. I'll have to look elsewhere for SD and FOABP.
is there something preventing you from downloading them in super high quality on Burning Shed (https://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/collection/94)?
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The Drawing the Line chorus can definitely be hard to take at first, but once you get used to it, it is actually pretty good, not to mention really fun to sing along to. :corn
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I don't mind the chorus on DTL, but I can certainly see why some would find it grating.
My biggest problem with TI is it doesn't really seem like a song cycle to me. The pieces themselves are interesting, but some are far too short and some are far too long (Time Flies), so the sum of the parts is actually LESS than the individual pieces for me. When I listen to the album, I really enjoy the music, but as an album it just doesn't work for me. I know a lot of people give IA shit about its song flow, but this is the one for me that just doesn't jive.
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Bit the bullet. I'm downloading Deadwing right now (iTunes) what sucks is that iTunes doesn't have all of their records. Next I'm gonna get in absentia and warszawa. I'll have to look elsewhere for SD and FOABP.
is there something preventing you from downloading them in super high quality on Burning Shed (https://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/collection/94)?
Ah thanks a bunch! Dammit they have the Deadwing download with the bonus track!
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My issue with The Incident is that it just feels too segmented. I like "whole" songs. Plus, ignoring structure, a lot of sections are simply weak by PT standards.
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My favorite song on The Incident is definitely I Drive the Hearse.
and seeing The Incident live in its entirety really made me like the album a lot more than I did upon the first few listens.
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My issue with The Incident is that it just feels too segmented. I like "whole" songs. Plus, ignoring structure, a lot of sections are simply weak by PT standards.
One thing I must agree is that the first 14 songs do not feel like a 55 minute long epic. The way te songs are broken down seem very individual to me, they don't flow like an epic should but teyre great songs nonetheless.
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To be fair, there is a difference between a multi-part song and a song cycle; the latter being less cohesive.
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My favorite song on The Incident is definitely I Drive the Hearse.
You, sir, have good taste. :tup
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My issue with The Incident is that it just feels too segmented. I like "whole" songs. Plus, ignoring structure, a lot of sections are simply weak by PT standards.
One thing I must agree is that the first 14 songs do not feel like a 55 minute long epic. The way te songs are broken down seem very individual to me, they don't flow like an epic should but teyre great songs nonetheless.
That is precisely how it's supposed to feel. It's a song cycle, not an epic.
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Ah I see, I read somewhere that disc 1 was a 55 minute epic broken down into 14 songs. Been listening to Deadwing now and I really like it. It's a bit heavier and TSOSB is something else!
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My issue with The Incident is that it just feels too segmented. I like "whole" songs. Plus, ignoring structure, a lot of sections are simply weak by PT standards.
i dunno, the bulk is made of whole songs. "The Blind House", "Drawing the Line", "The Incident", "Time Flies", "Octane Twisted" and "I Drive the Hearse" are all full length pieces that follow something akin to an expected song structure that lasts out to the 3-5 minute range (the obvious exception being TF's 11 minutes).
otherwise, some smaller parts feel like two-part songs (i.e. "Great Expectations/Kneel and Disconnect", "The Seance/Circle of Manias", even "The Incident/Your Unpleasant Family"), some are connective tissue ("The Yellow Windows of the Evening Train", chiefly), and then the two versions of "Occam's Razor" divide the suite into two rough acts and create a direct cohesion that is more obvious than some of the others that are more subtle (i.e. the reappearance of "Blind House", etc.).
clearly, it's much different from most DT epics and their ilk, but i find it a bit more interesting.
it's also worth noting that the first word we got about TI was that SW had written a 30-minute song cycle, which means the original TI ended after "Time Flies" (roughly). he evidently felt it needed to continue longer, though.
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I've only listened to The Incident once. It didn't really catch my attention.
Should probably give it another chance, eh?
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The Incident is pretty meh to me. I liked it at first, but now it's just meh I find. Oh well.
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So after giving Deadwong a few listens, I'm pretty sure I like TI more. Maybe Deadwing will grow on me more but as of right now I think TI is better.
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So after giving Deadwong a few listens, I'm pretty sure I like TI more. Maybe Deadwing will grow on me more but as of right now I think TI is better.
in b4 "you're dead wong about that!"
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More like Deadwang.
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So after giving Deadwong a few listens, I'm pretty sure I like TI more. Maybe Deadwing will grow on me more but as of right now I think TI is better.
in b4 "you're dead wong about that!"
Hahahaha! Stupid autocorrect!
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I combined the songs from Nil Recurring and Fear Of A Blank Planet into one album.
1. Fear Of A Blank Planet
2. My Ashes
3. Cheating The Polygraph
4. Nil Recurring
5. Normal/Sentimental
6. Way Out Of Here
7. Sleep Together
8. What Happens Now?/Anesthetize
I like it :metal
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I prefer this tracklisting:
1. Fear of a Blank Planet
2. My Ashes
3. Cheating the Polygraph
4. Anesthetize
5. Nil Recurring
6. Sentimental
7. Normal
8. What Happens Now
9. Way Out of Here
10. Sleep Together
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https://www.dprp.net/wp/?p=5941
Whoever said that SW would put PT on ice was RIGHT. Looks like we have an indefinite hiatus, folks. I guess we can expect more from SW solo, hopefully a new No-Man album, and more from the other members of PT in the mean time.
The problem with having a big band with one leading contributor means that when THEY want a break, the band is put on hold. Roine Stolt felt the same way and it took him 5 years and many various side-projects later to come back to his home band of The Flower Kings. I hope we don't have to wait 5 years til the next PT album (although if we say 5 years since The Incident, then the next PT album would be in 2014, which is only 2 years away...)
-Marc.
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Well, first of all, the article acknowledges that it's still a rumor. Also,
Posted on Tuesday, 24th April 2012 by Léon
Porcupine Tree stops for a while?
Here’s a brief extract of an interview with Steven Wilson to be aired on Planet Rock Radio on April 6th….. But not 100% confirmed!
I'm confused. April 6th was 2.5 weeks ago. Why is it not 100% confirmed? Wouldn't the piece have aired already? The source seems suspect to me.
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Sucks, but he has to do what he has to do. Sadly I haven't fallen in love with any of his projects, Insurgents was about as good as it gets for me.
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As long as he makes awesome music, it doesn't matter to me if it's with No-Man, Bass Communion, his solo stuff or anything else. But I do hold Porcupine Tree very close to my heart, so I would be sad if they stopped completely.
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https://www.dprp.net/wp/?p=5941
Whoever said that SW would put PT on ice was RIGHT. Looks like we have an indefinite hiatus, folks. I guess we can expect more from SW solo, hopefully a new No-Man album, and more from the other members of PT in the mean time.
The problem with having a big band with one leading contributor means that when THEY want a break, the band is put on hold. Roine Stolt felt the same way and it took him 5 years and many various side-projects later to come back to his home band of The Flower Kings. I hope we don't have to wait 5 years til the next PT album (although if we say 5 years since The Incident, then the next PT album would be in 2014, which is only 2 years away...)
-Marc.
....You know the poster of this information said it was an April Fools joke right??
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Link to the original poster of the April Fools joke
https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85964 (https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85964)
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Well, first of all, the article acknowledges that it's still a rumor. Also,
Posted on Tuesday, 24th April 2012 by Léon
Porcupine Tree stops for a while?
Here’s a brief extract of an interview with Steven Wilson to be aired on Planet Rock Radio on April 6th….. But not 100% confirmed!
I'm confused. April 6th was 2.5 weeks ago. Why is it not 100% confirmed? Wouldn't the piece have aired already? The source seems suspect to me.
It says "to be aired", so I'm thinking it's a typo and should read April 26th. Guess we'll find out in 2 days.
-Marc.
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Well, first of all, the article acknowledges that it's still a rumor. Also,
Posted on Tuesday, 24th April 2012 by Léon
Porcupine Tree stops for a while?
Here’s a brief extract of an interview with Steven Wilson to be aired on Planet Rock Radio on April 6th….. But not 100% confirmed!
I'm confused. April 6th was 2.5 weeks ago. Why is it not 100% confirmed? Wouldn't the piece have aired already? The source seems suspect to me.
It says "to be aired", so I'm thinking it's a typo and should read April 26th. Guess we'll find out in 2 days.
-Marc.
This information was posted on April 1st on progarchives and have you noticed the interview hasn't aired and you should read my earlier post.
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That was just part of an April Fool's joke, there is no validity to it whatsoever.
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I must say that some of the people in that thread were complete dicks. I'm not saying everyone should love every band, but replies like "Good news" when a band breaks up, that is just the highpoint of being a douche.
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https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85964 (https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85964)
Cruel joke. Now I feel bad because DPRP is usually the top source of Prog News for me and they post that? Oops. Someone might want to inform them that it is not "news".
-Marc.
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I must say that some of the people in that thread were complete dicks. I'm not saying everyone should love every band, but replies like "Good news" when a band breaks up, that is just the highpoint of being a douche.
On the flip side, if say Nickelback broke up tomorrow, wouldn't you be doing cartwheels through that thread?
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I must say that some of the people in that thread were complete dicks. I'm not saying everyone should love every band, but replies like "Good news" when a band breaks up, that is just the highpoint of being a douche.
On the flip side, if say Nickelback broke up tomorrow, wouldn't you be doing cartwheels through that thread?
Not really. I mean, I tend to stay away from what I don't like. :P After all, even a band like Nickelback has fans, and rubbing it in would still be a dick move.
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I must say that some of the people in that thread were complete dicks. I'm not saying everyone should love every band, but replies like "Good news" when a band breaks up, that is just the highpoint of being a douche.
On the flip side, if say Nickelback broke up tomorrow, wouldn't you be doing cartwheels through that thread?
Not really. I mean, I tend to stay away from what I don't like. :P After all, even a band like Nickelback has fans, and rubbing it in would still be a dick move.
I agree with you in principle, but you know a lot of people would still be doing it for Nickelback when they wouldn't for Porcupine Tree.
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Yeah probably. :corn
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I mean, its been pretty much confirmed that PT is on hiatus for a bit ANYWAYS. In a Storm Corrosion interview SW mentioned how he was kind of dreading releasing the next PT because it will have been like 5 years since the last one and he doesn't like disappointing people, and the fans really want it to be as amazing as usual.
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the opening synth sound of "The Sky Moves Sideways phase 1" is used in "Voyage 34" phase IV, around 9:30ish, quite prominently. like, same notes, then it does other stuff. it's a really interesting tie across the UTD era to TSMS; i mean, they already make sense together, but it's a direct link, like how "Drugged" II by Bass Communion became "Together We're Stranger" by No-man. SW recycles in such interesting ways.
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Its also used in Venemas Para Las Hadas (I'm pretty sure) off Insurgentes
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I mean, its been pretty much confirmed that PT is on hiatus for a bit ANYWAYS. In a Storm Corrosion interview SW mentioned how he was kind of dreading releasing the next PT because it will have been like 5 years since the last one and he doesn't like disappointing people, and the fans really want it to be as amazing as usual.
As a not-so-serious-super-die-hard fan, I can comfortably say that, no matter what they put out, PT will be a Top-5, auto-buy album for me whenever they get around to releasing PT11. I can only hope they record later this year/early next year and release it by Fall 2013.
-Marc.
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Its also used in Venemas Para Las Hadas (I'm pretty sure) off Insurgentes
not the synth i'm talking about — you're right, it's just that you mean the synth that begins the song proper, whilst i mean the very first sound on the entire record. it's part of the quiet sound collage/atmosphere before the song takes off with the chords reused later in "Veneno".
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It'll seem like a lifetime since the last PT album, but I'll be happy with whatever they put out.
It just seems like an odd time to go out on hiatus after reaching a very high point in their career. A tour with Coheed that probably gained some fans, a high charting on the Billboard 200, and some huge shows on The Incident Tour. But hey, they'll still come back strong
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I know Steven does the majority of the writing with Porcupine Tree, but maybe the next album would be a good opportunity to try more of a "band" sound. Let Colin, Richard, and Gavin (hell, maybe even Wesley) in on the songwriting party. I'm sure those guys are all brimming with ideas.
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I know Steven does the majority of the writing with Porcupine Tree, but maybe the next album would be a good opportunity to try more of a "band" sound. Let Colin, Richard, and Gavin (hell, maybe even Wesley) in on the songwriting party. I'm sure those guys are all brimming with ideas.
As awesome as that sounds, I don't see SW really wanting to change the writing dynamic of PT.
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I know Steven does the majority of the writing with Porcupine Tree, but maybe the next album would be a good opportunity to try more of a "band" sound. Let Colin, Richard, and Gavin (hell, maybe even Wesley) in on the songwriting party. I'm sure those guys are all brimming with ideas.
As awesome as that sounds, I don't see SW really wanting to change the writing dynamic of PT.
Well, you never know. After three solo albums, maybe he might take a more backseat approach on the next PT.
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I know Steven does the majority of the writing with Porcupine Tree, but maybe the next album would be a good opportunity to try more of a "band" sound. Let Colin, Richard, and Gavin (hell, maybe even Wesley) in on the songwriting party. I'm sure those guys are all brimming with ideas.
As awesome as that sounds, I don't see SW really wanting to change the writing dynamic of PT.
Well, you never know. After three solo albums, maybe he might take a more backseat approach on the next PT.
My thoughts exactly. Grace For Drowning, Storm Corrosion, and the new solo album all within a few years. Methinks it's time for Steve to back off and let the rest of the band stretch their writing ability as well. After all, if the band is going to be separate from his solo output, why not treat it like a band and not yet another vehicle for his solo music?
Or I could just fuck off.
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I kind of think it'd be nice to have SW relinquish some control on the next album. I mean, we know that the rest of the guys can all write music. Let's see what they can do
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I agree, they already done it with Way Out of Here, and that was beautiful
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The other guys have written stuff for PT before (Way Out of Here, Hatesong, a few others that I can't think of right now) and its turned out very well, so I'm not opposed to seeing more of their input.
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Way Out Of Here is great. Also, I loved the Incident, as opposed to many peoples' opinions. :metal
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Dude The Incident is awesome :metal
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The Incident is probably in my bottom half of PT albums. It is still quite awesome though.
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Dude The Incident is awesome :metal
Correcto :metal
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The Incident is probably in my bottom half of PT albums. It is still quite awesome though.
I will agree with this for now, but I don't think I've listened to it quite enough yet to make a full determination.
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Dude The Incident is awesome :metal
Correcto :metal
This.
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The Incident is probably in my bottom half of PT albums. It is still quite awesome though.
It's my least favorite.
I enjoy MAYBE half of it.
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I'd say The Incident is a great album, but if I had to rank PT's albums, it might be in the bottom half. But it has good competition so.
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Not having listened to PT in awhile (at least months), this is how I'd place them (basing this from memory of preference)...
Fear Of A Blank Planet (LP version incl. Nil Recurring)
Stupid Dream
The Sky Moves Sideways (Re-issue)
Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
In Absentia
The Incident
Signify
Up The Downstair (Re-issue incl. Staircase Infinities)
On The Sunday Of Life
-Marc.
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Anybody here this song from Lo-Fi Resistance? Gavin is on drum and it is very good. Enjoy!
https://lofiresistance.bandcamp.com/
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OKAY:
In Absentia
Signify
The Sky Moves Sideways
Deadwing
Fear of a Blank Planet
Stupid Dream
Lightbulb Sun
The Incident
Up The Downstair
On The Sunday of Life
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Lightbulb Sun/Fear of a Blank Planet
Deadwing
In Absentia
Stupid Dream
Signify
Sky Moves Sideways
Up the Downstair
The Incident
On the Sunday of Life
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Fear Of A Lightbulb Signified In Absentia Under The Deadwing In My Stupid Dream That I Had On The Sunday Of Life After The Incident As I Was Walking Up The Downstair, Funny Thing, The Sky Was Moving Sideways
^ That album sucks.
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I see what you did there.
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Signify
Lightbulb Sun
Deadwing
Up The Downstair
Fear Of A Blank Planet
In Absentia
Stupid Dream
The Sky Moves Sideways
On The Sunday Of Life
The Incident
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Fear of a Blank Planet
In Absentia
Lightbulb Sun
Stupid Dream
Deadwing
Signify
The Incident
The Sky Moves Sideways
Up the Downstair
On the Sunday of Life
also, my post count is awesome.
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IA
Deadwing
Stupid Dream
Up the Downstair
The Incident
Signify
Fear of a Blank Planet
Sky Moves Sideways
Lightbulb Sun
On the Sunday of Life
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Lightbulb Sun in the second to last place? I don't think I can handle fail of that magnitude.
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My favorite song over all PT is sound of muzak , i absolutely love the drum work and everything else about this song!!
Shallow or Halo probably is my second favorite
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My favorite song over all PT is sound of muzak , i absolutely love the drum work and everything else about this song!!
Shallow or Halo probably is my second favorite
You might get flamed for saying that :lol
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My favorite song over all PT is sound of muzak , i absolutely love the drum work and everything else about this song!!
Shallow or Halo probably is my second favorite
That is a very weird opinion. At least they're good songs. :P
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It's kinda hard to pick a favorite PT-song really. Right now I would say Dark Matter, but there are many other awesome ones.
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I've had one favorite PT song for years now, Fadeaway.
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After seeing Anesthetize live, it instantly became my favorite. That was an insanely thrilling experience.
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After seeing Anesthetize live, it instantly became my favorite. That was an insanely thrilling experience.
I've only seen 'The Pills I'm Taking' live, but that was amazeballs!
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I forgot how awesome Deadwing is. :metal
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After seeing Anesthetize live, it instantly became my favorite. That was an insanely thrilling experience.
Anethetize is probably my favorite PT song right now. Such a relaxing song
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After seeing Anesthetize live, it instantly became my favorite. That was an insanely thrilling experience.
Anethetize is probably my favorite PT song right now. Such a relaxing song
especially that part about 11 minutes in where Gavin goes crazy on the double bass kicks.
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My favorite song over all PT is sound of muzak , i absolutely love the drum work and everything else about this song!!
Shallow or Halo probably is my second favorite
That is a very weird opinion. At least they're good songs. :P
um why , i don't understand why its wierd opinion .
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My favorite song over all PT is sound of muzak , i absolutely love the drum work and everything else about this song!!
Shallow or Halo probably is my second favorite
That is a very weird opinion. At least they're good songs. :P
um why , i don't understand why its wierd opinion .
I think what Matt meant was that the three are a bit "odd" picks for favorite songs when it comes to PT. Not that they are bad or anything, but they are 3 songs I very rarely see mentioned as someone's favorites. (again, not that they are bad, just that it's a bit rare) :P
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wow really sound of muzak isn't a fan fav?
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I'm with you, The Sound of muzak is my favorite song on In Absentia. :metal
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wow really sound of muzak isn't a fan fav?
I love sound of muzak :heart (and it was incredible live)
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I think The Sound of Muzak is a good song. It was great when I saw it live, but it isn't a personal favorite from the album or anything.
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Sound of Muzak is one of my favorite songs on In Absentia. Maybe 2nd or 3rd for me.
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Sound of Muzak was one of the first PT songs I fell in love with.
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Sound of Muzak was one of the first PT songs I fell in love with.
This, probably one of the first 5 songs I've heard.
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Sound of Muzak was one of the first PT songs I fell in love with.
This, probably one of the first 5 songs I've heard.
First song I heard was "Shallow", which came pre-loaded on the Xbox 360 when it first came out. :tup
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Sound of Muszak is easily one of the best PT tracks I've heard.
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Frankly, it's the most average song on In Absentia, meaning I'd rank it about half way. To me that still means it's definitely top 25 PT or so.
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Frankly, it's the most average song on In Absentia
"Prodigal" would have a word with you!
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An average IA song (meaning those that fall in the 5th best to 8th best range) are all still fantastic.
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An average IA song (meaning those that fall in the 5th best to 8th best range) are all still fantastic.
THIS
There really isn't a bad song on IA...although I would say Strip the Soul is pretty 'meh', and the only track I occasionally skip.
1. Heartattack in a Layby
2. Trains
3. Sound of Muzak
4. Gravity Eyelids
5. Prodigal
6. Blackest Eyes
7. .3
8. The Creator Has a Master Tape
9. Lips of Ashes
10. Wedding Nails
11. Collapse Light Into Earth
12. Strip the Soul
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The only songs on IA I would rank slightly lower then the rest would be Strip the Soul and The Creator Has a Mastertape. Not bad songs, but I think the others are better.
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Actually...I was just telling my son last night that Porcupine Tree doesn't really have any actively *bad* songs. Though OTSOL has a few 'meh' tracks. (and contrary to popular opinion...I actually really enjoy Linton Samuel Dawson. :lol )
That's quite a feat...because even the mighty Rush have a few bad songs.
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I don't think PT has any "bad" songs either. I still enjoy the songs I would rank the lowest, and they are far from bad.
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An average IA song (meaning those that fall in the 5th best to 8th best range) are all still fantastic.
Well, yeah, that's basically what I said.
I would say Strip the Soul is pretty 'meh'
I don't like you. :P
Strip The Soul is a top 4 IA song for me.
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I will say this... The Anesthetize version is a big improvement. :P
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The Sound of Muzak is easily my least favorite on IA. Muscially it's kinda cool, nothing amazing, but meh.
Lyrically, it just does not interest me. It feels like such a rehash of Four Chords... and songs other bands have done, just not as interesting and more Wilson preaching. Plus, it feels waaaay out of place on IA.
This was one of the first PT songs I've heard, but it has not held up well at all for me.
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I love it, but it probably is my least favorite from In Absentia
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Loving IA. But I still like TI more than Deadwing.
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i really love the 1-2 punch of "Blackest Eyes" > "Muzak" they used to do on the IA tour. would have been much better to open IA also, imo, following "Collapse" (the short one).
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Loving IA. But I still like TI more than Deadwing.
:omg:...
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You get your tookus out of here and never come back. >:( :censored
:P
But srsly... People call me insane. That's the most psychotic thing I've ever heard. Deadwing is a masterpiece of the ages; TI is a bland, boring failure with the exception of a handful of tracks.
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The Incident is great.
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I tried so hard to love it, I really did. I nearly blew my ears out and died of boredom over and over and over again trying to get into it. I was so hyped up for it, the previews all blew me away and then...it just...fell flat. I don't know what happened, perhaps it really just isn't for me, and that pains me to say considering that PT is still vying for my favorite band along with a few others. I just do not like it one single bit with the exception of about four tracks on the song-cycle; although I do absolutely love Disc 2. I suppose one thing is that I'm fucking sick and tired of concept albums, long, drawn out songs and certainly 'song-cycles' (even though this is the only instance I've heard that term and hopefully the last). Meh. Here's hoping the next album is leagues different.
Not that I'm defending myself or anything; I couldn't give a fuck less, it's literally impossible. I tried and I nearly killed myself. Scary shit. But it still does bother me from time to time that some people love it and I really tried, I truly did and I got nothin'. It's like having a woman there trying to pleasure you and you want some and you're horny but god damn it you just do not have a thing for this chick. But you tried. You fondled her, you tickled her tookus, you lapped her labia...still nothing. Not even a chub. FUCK, BERNICE, JUST GET THE FUCK OUT, I'LL FINISH MYSELF. I'm going to call TI, Bernice from now on.
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The Incident is great, but seeing as FOABP is my favorite album by PT, it was a bit of a let down in comparison.
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I have to admit, it took me ages to properly get into The Incident, but I really like it now.
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Maybe one day... I haven't listened to a single track off the album (including Disc 2) for months and months, so perhaps a time lapse was needed. I'll spin it one day for kicks. Yes, FOABP is still an epic masterpiece, I really love that album's entire vibe and cohesion, it's put together so perfectly and I think it's their most concise album to date; despite it not being my favorite, it's definitely their most 'complete' work.
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Personally, having heard Deadwing, In Absentia, and FOABP at the time (in that order), I bought The Incident sight unseen, and absolutely love it.
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Okay, I love The Incident, but the bolded below made me :lol
I tried so hard to love it, I really did. I nearly blew my ears out and died of boredom over and over and over again trying to get into it. I was so hyped up for it, the previews all blew me away and then...it just...fell flat. I don't know what happened, perhaps it really just isn't for me, and that pains me to say considering that PT is still vying for my favorite band along with a few others. I just do not like it one single bit with the exception of about four tracks on the song-cycle; although I do absolutely love Disc 2. I suppose one thing is that I'm fucking sick and tired of concept albums, long, drawn out songs and certainly 'song-cycles' (even though this is the only instance I've heard that term and hopefully the last). Meh. Here's hoping the next album is leagues different.
Not that I'm defending myself or anything; I couldn't give a fuck less, it's literally impossible. I tried and I nearly killed myself. Scary shit. But it still does bother me from time to time that some people love it and I really tried, I truly did and I got nothin'. It's like having a woman there trying to pleasure you and you want some and you're horny but god damn it you just do not have a thing for this chick. But you tried. You fondled her, you tickled her tookus, you lapped her labia...still nothing. Not even a chub. FUCK, BERNICE, JUST GET THE FUCK OUT, I'LL FINISH MYSELF. I'm going to call TI, Bernice from now on.
:tup :tup
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Not that I'm defending myself or anything; I couldn't give a fuck less, it's literally impossible. I tried and I nearly killed myself. Scary shit. But it still does bother me from time to time that some people love it and I really tried, I truly did and I got nothin'. It's like having a woman there trying to pleasure you and you want some and you're horny but god damn it you just do not have a thing for this chick. But you tried. You fondled her, you tickled her tookus, you lapped her labia...still nothing. Not even a chub. FUCK, BERNICE, JUST GET THE FUCK OUT, I'LL FINISH MYSELF. I'm going to call TI, Bernice from now on.
The Incident is easily lower tier for PT albums to me, but I would still tongue fuck its fart box any day of the week.
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One thing is clear about The Incident...
TI > LS or FoaBP
Come at me bros.
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One has no option but to admire your consistency at failing.
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One thing is clear about The Incident...
TI > LS or FoaBP
What is this I don't even...
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I can't hear you over the sound of FOABP being PT's best album. :biggrin:
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I can't hear you over the sound of LS being PT's best album. :biggrin:
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I can't hear you over the sound of FOABP being PT's best album. :biggrin:
This.
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I can't hear you over the sound of FOABP being PT's best album. :biggrin:
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I can't hear any of you. I've got Stupid Dream cranked up too loud.
:yarr
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Also...
DW & IA > FOABP > NR > TI
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I can't hear you over the sound of LS being PT's best album. :biggrin:
I can't hear you over the sound of FOABP being PT's best album. :biggrin:
This.
Both of these :p
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One thing is clear about The Incident...
TI > LS or FoaBP
Come at me bros.
:facepalm:
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FoaBP and TI are their two weakest albums for me.
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So I already know the answer to this, but;
I was originally introduced to Porcupine Tree years ago with Deadwing, and soon after In Absentia and Fear of A Blank Planet. With The Incident, I wasn't following the band closely enough to know when it was coming out, but was to know that it was on its way, and to know a few details. I happened to be in a music store the week of its release, and bought it sight unseen. I greatly enjoyed it. As time went on, I decided to go back into their catalog, beginning with Lightbulb Sun months ago (maybe a year or slightly more, I don't remember), which I bought the DVD-A version of, and within the last month, Stupid Dream, which I first heard a track from a couple of weeks ago, and immediately bought the DVD-A version.
Long story short, should I check out Signify? If so, what are the odds of me enjoying the albums prior to that?
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Signify I find to be an entirely different beast than any of their albums, even the other psychedelic ones. It's kind of the one that begs the most to be listened to in full, and lots of the album is psychedelic noodling. It's tough to digest, but it's really an awesome trippy album. Plus, it has what is IMO their best song, Dark Matter.
As for the albums before that, I find them easier to get into than Signify. TSMS is my favourite PT album myself, but I find it requires a taste for a calmer kind of psychedelia. Especially Moonloop (Improv), which while it would appeal greatly to fans of genres like Krautrock, lots would be bored to shit by it. UtD is pretty easy to digest and like I find. OtSoL is a pretty immature album, but I still love it.
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Loving IA. But I still like TI more than Deadwing.
:omg:...
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You get your tookus out of here and never come back. >:( :censored
:P
But srsly... People call me insane. That's the most psychotic thing I've ever heard. Deadwing is a masterpiece of the ages; TI is a bland, boring failure with the exception of a handful of tracks.
Well opinions are like assholes... :)
And BTW this has to be the most entertaining thread there is! Holy crap so much laughs, gotta love the Bernice thing. Lmao that was great. And the farthole thing wtf!
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Signify I find to be an entirely different beast than any of their albums, even the other psychedelic ones. It's kind of the one that begs the most to be listened to in full, and lots of the album is psychedelic noodling. It's tough to digest, but it's really an awesome trippy album. Plus, it has what is IMO their best song, Dark Matter.
As for the albums before that, I find them easier to get into than Signify. TSMS is my favourite PT album myself, but I find it requires a taste for a calmer kind of psychedelia. Especially Moonloop (Improv), which while it would appeal greatly to fans of genres like Krautrock, lots would be bored to shit by it. UtD is pretty easy to digest and like I find. OtSoL is a pretty immature album, but I still love it.
I agree with all of this...but I will also say that Signify grew on my *by leaps and bounds* over repeated listens. It's just kinda weird that with 12 tracks on the album, there's really only about 6-7 actual *songs*. The rest feel more like intros, codas, and transient mood pieces. But if you don't focus on any of the individual *tracks*, and just play the album front to back a few times...it's really amazing. Almost like Dark Side of the Moon.
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Signify I find to be an entirely different beast than any of their albums, even the other psychedelic ones. It's kind of the one that begs the most to be listened to in full, and lots of the album is psychedelic noodling. It's tough to digest, but it's really an awesome trippy album. Plus, it has what is IMO their best song, Dark Matter.
As for the albums before that, I find them easier to get into than Signify. TSMS is my favourite PT album myself, but I find it requires a taste for a calmer kind of psychedelia. Especially Moonloop (Improv), which while it would appeal greatly to fans of genres like Krautrock, lots would be bored to shit by it. UtD is pretty easy to digest and like I find. OtSoL is a pretty immature album, but I still love it.
I agree with all of this...but I will also say that Signify grew on my *by leaps and bounds* over repeated listens. It's just kinda weird that with 12 tracks on the album, there's really only about 6-7 actual *songs*. The rest feel more like intros, codas, and transient mood pieces. But if you don't focus on any of the individual *tracks*, and just play the album front to back a few times...it's really amazing. Almost like Dark Side of the Moon.
Totally true.
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Signify definitely has an awesome vibe and flow, and I agree about those shorter, almost transitional pieces. Take something like Pagan: on its own, you wouldn't think much of it, but as a bridge between Sleep of No Dreaming and Waiting, it is just perfect. Radiohead did a similar thing with Kid A and Treefingers.
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Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
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Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Kinda like on In Absentia with The Creator Has a Mastertape and Strip the Soul then. :P (aka. getting to Collapse is a challenge)
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I love Strip the Soul. Top 6 on the album for me :)
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Idiot Prayer is AWESOME
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Idiot Prayer is AWESOME
Yep..
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^ This exactly
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Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Idiot Prayer is fucking amazing, Intermediate Jesus works well in the album (not so much alone though) and Light Mass Prayers makes an awesome lead-in to Dark Matter.
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Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Idiot Prayer and Intermediate Jesus are great. LMP is still hard to get into even after all of the listens I've done. Probably the weakest track on Signify, IMO.
Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Kinda like on In Absentia with The Creator Has a Mastertape and Strip the Soul then. :P (aka. getting to Collapse is a challenge)
I love both of those songs. Well, Strip is good, Creator is one of the best on the album.
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Light Mass Prayers is amazing for what it is. It's obviously not meant as a 'classic' song, it's all the same humming 'prayer' over and over for crying out quiet. That said, it's beautiful and I've used it so many times to relax to (and ended up being lulled into a maniacal dream). It also serves it's purpose to ease the listener into Dark Matter, which is one of PT's greatest accomplishments. Signify in its entirety is truly a masterpiece; it's right up there with OTSOL for me, which is also a masterpiece that is doomed to be misunderstood by the likes of my fellow blokes who shall forever condemn me as an insane man for having that album as one of my favorites.
P.S. OTSOL kicks the everliving pathetic (like, stringy, green, gooey) shit out of The Incident.
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P.S. OTSOL kicks the everliving pathetic (like, stringy, green, gooey) shit out of The Incident.
Kind of early to be drinking, isn't it? :biggrin:
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Light Mass Prayers is amazing for what it is. It's obviously not meant as a 'classic' song, it's all the same humming 'prayer' over and over for crying out quiet. That said, it's beautiful and I've used it so many times to relax to (and ended up being lulled into a maniacal dream). It also serves it's purpose to ease the listener into Dark Matter, which is one of PT's greatest accomplishments. Signify in its entirety is truly a masterpiece; it's right up there with OTSOL for me, which is also a masterpiece that is doomed to be misunderstood by the likes of my fellow blokes who shall forever condemn me as an insane man for having that album as one of my favorites.
P.S. OTSOL kicks the everliving pathetic (like, stringy, green, gooey) shit out of The Incident.
I agree with most of this entire post. LMP is nice, but it's always just that space before DM kicks in. It's rarely even a track to me at all when I listen to the album.
Signify is my favorite PT album, though. :)
P.S. OTSOL kicks the everliving pathetic (like, stringy, green, gooey) shit out of The Incident.
Kind of early to be drinking, isn't it? :biggrin:
You'll never hear me claim that OTSOL is a great or even good album, but it has a sort of inventive charm that sometimes comes from a young artist getting their first material out to the world. There's a bunch of clunkers, but IMO, the good songs are far more interesting than the boring transitional pieces and ploddingly uninteresting metal riffs on The Incident.
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OTSOL does have a certain charm to it, and definitely has a handful of very nice tracks, but nothing on it, not even Radioactive Toy, touches I Drive the Hearse, Time Flies or Bonnie the Cat. :coolio
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Opinions right? Just like how some people say that "Feel So Low" is PT's worst song by far, meanwhile others think it's one of their best. Who is right? Everybody since it's all subjective opinions anyway. :P
I haven't listened to OTSOL in a while now, but Nostalgia Factory and Radioactive Toy are just awesome. There are a few other great ones as well, Nine Cats for example.
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Never heard anyone say that about Feel So Low (it being worst). It's not very good. Don't hate it or anything though.
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I have to admit I find Feel So Low to be one of my favourite song, not just of Porcupine Tree. I just like how it comes after the heavy bit of ROI and is just slow and sad.
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OTSOL does have a certain charm to it, and definitely has a handful of very nice tracks, but nothing on it, not even Radioactive Toy, touches I Drive the Hearse, Time Flies or Bonnie the Cat. :coolio
I've never been fond of IDTH or Bonnie the Cat and Time Flies is much too long. In fact, I hated Bonnie when I first listened to TI, but now it's just kinda meh to me. So it has improved.
Radioactive Toy is a great song though. One of my favorites. :biggrin:
Never heard anyone say that about Feel So Low (it being worst). It's not very good. Don't hate it or anything though.
I've never liked it, but I'm not a fan, in general, of those types of songs ie very, very obviously sad songs. I just don't connect with them.
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Feel So Low is easily one of the best from LS.
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FINALLY got FOABP on vinyl. Mind = Blown.
First time hearing the B Sides in the context of the album - much better than expected, might actually prefer it to the normal (lol) track listing after a few listens.
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Feel So Low is alright, but I think Russia On Ice would have been better to close things out.
Granted, ROI is my favourite song of PT, so I'm biased as fuck on that.
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Never heard anyone say that about Feel So Low (it being worst). It's not very good. Don't hate it or anything though.
I've never liked it, but I'm not a fan, in general, of those types of songs ie very, very obviously sad songs. I just don't connect with them.
I just think it has the most lackluster lyrics in the bands history and the verses have one of the most boring vocal melodies I've ever heard. The chorus, though, is pretty nice, and the guitar works.
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FINALLY got FOABP on vinyl. Mind = Blown.
First time hearing the B Sides in the context of the album - much better than expected, might actually prefer it to the normal (lol) track listing after a few listens.
After Nil Recurring was released, I've always listened to FOABP in the order that it was released on the vinyl, with "Cheating The Polygraph" between "My Ashes" and "Anesthetize", and the other tracks at the end. "What Happens Now?" is a better album-closer than "Sleep Together", and I LOVE the way that "Nil Recurring" reprises the same drum groove heard at the end of the opening title track, while "Normal" is a bit of a reprise of bits from "Sentimental" and "Anesthetize".
The whole last side of the vinyl just sounds like a group of well-placed nods to the previous sides and says "Well, time to properly wrap all of this up, but leave you all hanging with the last song". As part of the concept, "What Happens Now?" is more satisfying to me, as a listener, for an ending because it really leaves the whole idea up in the air. The "main character" (if there could be one) has decided that nothing's changed and it will be the same ("Nil Recurring") and has decided that maybe he's the one that needs to change ("Normal"), but even with that in mind, there's still doubt and wonder ("What Happens Now?"), and with the end of the song, it's like "...wait, what?"
"Sleep Together" is a good piece, but I just feel like "What Happens Now?" wraps up the album a whole lot better. Same thing for "Half-Light" over "Glass Arm Shattering".
-Marc.
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Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
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Idiot Prayer is my ALL TIME FAVORITE PT INSTRUMENTAL...Mother and Child Divided might be a close second, but it's really not very close at all.
Intermediate Jesus one of the "mood pieces" I spoke of. I do like it, but I just don't even look at it as an independent track. Light Mass Prayers even more so...it's more like an interlude.
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Well, I just ordered a copy of Signify. It should arrive some time this week, and I'll give my impression of it then. I'm really looking forward to hearing it.
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i love 'Light Mass Prayers'. it's incredibly haunting and surreal. when i think of the atmosphere of Signify, i think of it (and probably "Idiot Prayer" because it is, indeed, awesome).
"Pagan" is a bit useless, though.
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I KNOW
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I STILL PLACE KEYS IN THE IGNITION
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Sleep of no dreaming is probably my fav off of signify.
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I really like Waiting and Dark Matter
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Dark matter is a very cool song. (one which I need to listen to more often)
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How 'bout Stupid Dream?
I think my favorite song on that album is Stranger By The Minute. Beautiful.
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I'll probably go with Don't Hate me as my favorite.
But stranger by the minute is definitely very beautiful and uplifting.
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I have yet to listen to a bad PT song!
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So true, their track record is incredible.
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I think if I had to pick my favorite PT song, it would be Russia On Ice, though there are so many that could compete.
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Russia on Ice was captivating live. :hefdaddy
If I had to go with an overall favorite, it would maybe be Trains or Anesthetize, but its still such a hard decision.
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Lucky!
Yeah, those two are some of their best. I also REALLY love Sleep Together.
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Favorite from Stupid Dream for me would be Slave Called Shiver...just a *classic* song.
Never really cared for Russia On Ice much. I really love the second half...that totally makes it worth it...but the first half is just kindof "plodding" to me. Which is just the total reverse of what I think of Strip the Soul....love the first half of that one, but the second half just seems to drag and drone and plod and not do anything for the song at all. Maybe I should stick the first half of Strip the Soul on the second half of Russian on Ice.
But my favorite Lightbulb Sun song is easily Hatesong. Fell in love with it when I heard the live version on Arriving Somewhere, and it's been the crown jewel of that album for me ever since. Honorable mention (and #2 spot) goes to Last Chance...
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I love Stranger By the Minute as well. Not a huge fan of Russia on Ice, though; it's good, but it's nowhere near the best song on LBS.
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Ok so far I have IA, Deadwing, and TI. I like them all, but which one should be next? Warzawa? The itunes PT selection is quite limited.
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Personally, I would say Stupid Dream. But most people will probably say Fear of a Blank Planet.
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I would've suggested Fear of a Blank Planet but apparently it's not on iTunes anymore? I could've sworn it was at one point.
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How 'bout Stupid Dream?
I think my favorite song on that album is Stranger By The Minute. Beautiful.
Finally, someone else that likes that song. Usually goes quick on the survivors but it's quite great.
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Stupid Dream is my second favourite PT album. So amazing. My favourite track? I couldn't choose. Either Don't Hate Me or A Smart Kid. But Baby Dream in Cellophane, Slave Called Shiver, and This Is No Rehearsal are amazing too.
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How 'bout Stupid Dream?
I think my favorite song on that album is Stranger By The Minute. Beautiful.
Finally, someone else that likes that song. Usually goes quick on the survivors but it's quite great.
Yep, the last four are my fave on that album.
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I love Stranger by the Minute. Then again, I pretty much love everything on Stupid Dream.
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WHEN IM DROWING
YOU DRAG ME UP TO YOU
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Signify could have been great, but Idiot prayer, Intermediate Jesus and Light mass prayers are such a snooze-fest. I actually challenged myself to get to Dark matter without skipping these songs, it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Light Mass Prayers, along with Pagan, is just a filler track for me and Intermediate Jesus isn't that interesting but Idiot Prayer is great, like pretty much the rest of Signify - I'm not a long-time fan but thought I'd share my opinion.
Since my last post (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=31351.msg1265319#msg1265319) I've listened to The Incident and I have to agree with many of you - it's a disappointment, easily the weakest PT album I've heard so far (I haven't heard OTSOL, TSMS and Stupid Dream but I'll try to get the latter 2 soon, not sure about the debut)
I'd rank the PT albums I've heard so far like this:
Fear
Absentia
Downstair (I don't see this one getting much love :()
Signify
Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
Incident
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Up the Downstair is amazing. To be honest I'm surprised it doesn't get more appreciation as well, it has a really good flow, and some really great songs like Always Never, Fadeaway, Small Fish, Burning Sky, Synesthesia and the title-track.
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Up the Downstair is amazing. To be honest I'm surprised it doesn't get more appreciation as well, it has a really good flow, and some really great songs like Always Never, Fadeaway, Small Fish, Burning Sky, Synesthesia and the title-track.
I truly love that album. It really puts my mind at ease.
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Picked up the Anesthetize DVD yesterday for $8, brand spanking new.....
(https://mexicanonadiet.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/bush-booyah.jpg)
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Nice deal. Great concert :metal
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Up the Downstair is amazing. To be honest I'm surprised it doesn't get more appreciation as well, it has a really good flow, and some really great songs like Always Never, Fadeaway, Small Fish, Burning Sky, Synesthesia and the title-track.
I usually see it get ranked higher in album rankings, so iunno about it being underappreciated. That being said, probably my 3rd favourite PT album. It's really amazing. Burning Sky and Fadeaway are two of their best songs.
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RE: Up the Downstair...
I have to say that (for me) it got much better with the re-recorded drums on the re-release. I always thought the songs were cool, but hated the drum machine and I would usually listen to the versions on Coma Divine. But the re-release with Gavin was such a huge improvement it's not even funny.
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Kev's gonna come in and disagree with that very soon.
Up the Downstair is amazing. To be honest I'm surprised it doesn't get more appreciation as well, it has a really good flow, and some really great songs like Always Never, Fadeaway, Small Fish, Burning Sky, Synesthesia and the title-track.
My favorite Porcupine Tree album. Even Staircase Infinities is amazing.
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I love Up the Downstair, probably their best album before Stupid Dream, either that or Signify.
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Up the Downstair is the best pre-Signify album and is one of the high points of their discography.
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Up the Downstair is amazing. To be honest I'm surprised it doesn't get more appreciation as well, it has a really good flow, and some really great songs like Always Never, Fadeaway, Small Fish, Burning Sky, Synesthesia and the title-track.
i find the flow distracting more than you do, i think. tracks like "Siren" and "Small Fish" get in the way of a streamlined, cohesive single album, imo. however, if it was a double album as intended, these tracks and segues would have paced it out better, so i suppose i'm ultimately on the fence about them. i would rather UTD have been another double album and include the Voyage 34 and the Staircase Infinities tracks as originally intended.
probably in this order!
1-01. Synesthesia (full length)
1-02. Monuments Burn into Moments
1-03. Voyage 34 phase I
1-04. The Joke's on You
1-05. Navigator
1-06. Always Never
1-07. Up the Downstair
1-08. Rainy Taxi
1-09. Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape
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2-01. What You are Listening to...
2-02. Men of Wood
2-03. Phantoms
2-04. Cloud Zero
2-05. Not Beautiful Anymore
2-06. Siren
2-07. Small Fish
2-08. Burning Sky
2-09. Fadeaway
2-10. Voyage 24 phase II
bloated, ain't it? ;)
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Hmmm...that actually sounds like a really interesting mix. I think I might try that one.
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So you fixed the bad flow of Siren and Small Fish by putting them in the exact same spots? :P
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UTD is fine the way it is.
It's a perfectly flowing album that doesn't overstay its welcome. Adding all that AND making it a double album would destroy it, but part of that reaction might come from my dislike of Voyage 34.
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Yeah what he said. The flow is impeccable and it's a perfect album. I do love Voyage 34 though.
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Voyage 34 is another AMAZING and under-rated PT piece. (I hesitate to call it an album...more like a grossly bloated "single")
Phase 1&2 feel like a complete piece to me...3&4 I could do without, but they make for interesting listens from time to time.
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RE: Up the Downstair...
I have to say that (for me) it got much better with the re-recorded drums on the re-release. I always thought the songs were cool, but hated the drum machine and I would usually listen to the versions on Coma Divine. But the re-release with Gavin was such a huge improvement it's not even funny.
Gotta do what orcus said I would do :P and completely disagree.
Some really cool drum fills that were on the original were removed and played differently on the remaster, the vibe of many of the songs isn't as good, and Wilson completely sucked the life out of Burning Sky by re-recording the main guitar lead (which was awesome on the original, but sounds dull and lifeless on the remaster).
Generally speaking, real drums are almost always better than fake drums, yes, but in the case of those very early PT albums, the drum machine added a certain charm to them, and putting newly recorded drums on an album that old (it was 12 years old at the time of the remaster) is like pairing up two things that don't go together because they come from different times or eras. It just doesn't sound right.
I almost always love what SW does, but I think that was the one huge mistake he has made. A studio album is more than a collection of songs, but a snapshot in time, and replacing something that many years later is tainting that snapshot, IMO. Harrison's drumming was not a part of the band's sound back then.
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I don't think I've ever heard the 'original' UtD before.
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Just listened to the full length version of Even Less for the first time from Recordings. Pretty damn good. I expected a little more, but it's good. I'm not sure which I prefer but I guess the extended is the way it's meant to be. What do you all think?
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Just listened to the full length version of Even Less for the first time from Recordings. Pretty damn good. I expected a little more, but it's good. I'm not sure which I prefer but I guess the extended is the way it's meant to be. What do you all think?
I prefer the shorter on SD probably just because I heard it first, but it feels less bloated.
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So you fixed the bad flow of Siren and Small Fish by putting them in the exact same spots? :P
huh? my point was that they bloat the single album, but make sense in a double album because the two require completely different pacing, imo.
Voyage 34 is another AMAZING and under-rated PT piece. (I hesitate to call it an album...more like a grossly bloated "single")
Phase 1&2 feel like a complete piece to me...3&4 I could do without, but they make for interesting listens from time to time.
agreed, V34 (I-II) is amazing. i also really enjoy III but IV is pretty meh, imo; but then they're both remixes anyway.
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I don't think I've ever heard the 'original' UtD before.
I also only have the reissue, but judging by some of the original versions I've heard, the real drums by Gavin are a huge improvement.
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Just listened to the full length version of Even Less for the first time from Recordings. Pretty damn good. I expected a little more, but it's good. I'm not sure which I prefer but I guess the extended is the way it's meant to be. What do you all think?
I prefer the shorter on SD probably just because I heard it first, but it feels less bloated.
Same here. I feel the Stupid Dream version is more concise and focused.
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The long version every day of the week.
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my favourite parts of "Even Less" are the end of pt. 1 and the first 3/4 of pt. 2, so i suppose i'd rather the full length version!
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The long version is a novelty and is interesting to listen to from time to time, but I consider the short version definitive.
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Full length "Even Less", all the time. I've made a CD with it opening the album, and also includes a couple more SD-era B-Sides:
Total - 76:31
1. Even Less
2. Oceans Have No Memory
3. Ambulance Chasing
4. Piano Lessons
5. Stupid Dream
6. Pure Narcotic
7. Slave Called Shiver
8. Don't Hate Me
9. This Is No Rehearsal
10. Baby Dream In Cellophane
11. Stranger By The Minute
12. A Smart Kid
13. Tinto Brass
14. Stop Swimming
SD is one of my favorite PT albums, and probably (with the tracklisting above) one of my favorite albums of all time. Great music all across, and one of my favorite album closers as well. Chris does some awesome drumming on "Stop Swimming" as well as many of the other songs.
-Marc.
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whoa, that opening is really heavy on the instrumentalness. i don't really associate SD with the sort of Signify-esque use of instrumental music; considering everything besides "Tinto Brass" is vocal-centric, it feels very weird to try to throw instrumental pieces anywhere, especially all in one place.
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^ I agree with that.
Also Stop Swimming is incredible.
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whoa, that opening is really heavy on the instrumentalness. i don't really associate SD with the sort of Signify-esque use of instrumental music; considering everything besides "Tinto Brass" is vocal-centric, it feels very weird to try to throw instrumental pieces anywhere, especially all in one place.
I had thought about that, but the way the album is mixed, it would be hard to place "Ambulance Chasing" anywhere else in the album. To be honest, I only include because it was part of those sessions, and I could really do without it, but that was the best spot I could place it without breaking the genius placement of the rest of the album's songs.
-Marc.
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I just made...IMO...the coolest Porcupine Tree mix CD I have EVER made. So I wanted to toot my own horn.
Keep in mind...this is NOT meant to be just a collection of "the best of PT". This CD was made strictly with "flow" in mind. Whatever songs were just *begging* to flow one into the other...that's what I used. So that by the end of it, it almost sounds like a Pink Floyd collection like Echoes. So I did not necessarily include my favorites.
1. Lightbulb Sun
2. Piano Lessons
3. Trains
4. Halo
5. Shesmovedon
6. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before it is Recycled
7. Slave Called Shiver
8. Dislocated Day
9. Open Car
10. Heartattack in a Layby
11. Idiot Prayer
12. Sentimental
13. The Start of Something Beautiful
14. Dark Matter
Total Time - 78:21
I originally made it for a barista that wanted to check them out...but the mix is *SO* good, I kept an extra few copies for myself and anyone else I may run across who wants a good "sampler"...
EDIT: I have to say that I'm especially proud of the segueway between the end of Sentimental and the beginning of The Start of Something Beautiful...GOOSEBUMPS!!!
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^That sounds pretty awesome, actually. I'll have to try that.
Oh, and speaking of PT b-sides... Buying New Soul = :omg:
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Recordings has some pretty good B-Sides besides Buying New Soul, though that song is indeed great. Cure For Optimism and Untitled are fantastic too, and they seem to be pretty overlooked.
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Recordings in general is a pretty fantastic release... though that can be said about pretty much everything since On the Sunday.
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Recordings in general is a pretty fantastic release... though that can be said about pretty much everything since On the Sunday.
Sir, you should watch thy tongue before the naked man on the cover of OTSOL rapes you in your sleep.
...he isn't a very well endowed man, but you will be raped whilst you slumber, nonetheless.
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Recordings in general is a pretty fantastic release... though that can be said about pretty much everything since On the Sunday.
Sir, you should watch thy tongue before the naked man on the cover of OTSOL rapes you in your sleep.
...he isn't a very well endowed man, but you will be raped whilst you slumber, nonetheless.
The experience would probably still be more enjoyable than listening to the album, so bring it on. ;)
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Recordings in general is a pretty fantastic release... though that can be said about pretty much everything since On the Sunday.
Sir, you should watch thy tongue before the naked man on the cover of OTSOL rapes you in your sleep.
...he isn't a very well endowed man, but you will be raped whilst you slumber, nonetheless.
The experience would probably still be more enjoyable than listening to the album, so bring it on. ;)
(https://baxteravenuesuicidesquad.com/forum/images/smilies/Shaking_Fist_emoticon.gif)
^That sounds pretty awesome, actually. I'll have to try that.
Oh, and speaking of PT b-sides... Buying New Soul = :omg:
Oh and this, that play list looks incredible. Just made it and will listen to it in my bed before dreamescape. Also, BNS is one of my favorites...probably top 5 actually.
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^That sounds pretty awesome, actually. I'll have to try that.
Oh, and speaking of PT b-sides... Buying New Soul = :omg:
Oh and this, that play list looks incredible. Just made it and will listen to it in my bed before dreamescape. Also, BNS is one of my favorites...probably top 5 actually.
There is absolutely NO greater compliment or thanks I could have than to hear people are actually trying out my mix. I'm touched.
...but not touched by the naked man on the cover of OTSOL. ;D
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BTW....the trick to that mix is....NO GAPS. Make sure to TURN OFF the automatic 2 second gap option that most burners default to. (but most of you probably already do that....or you just don't burn CD's at all. *GOD* that makes me feel old.) :-\
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That looks like a pretty sweet mix. Might have to try it. I like to keep my mixes to about an hour, and I had one I really liked for PT but I don't know what happened to it (and its not on my computer). Oh well, still have my favorite DT one. :metal
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I fell asleep to your mix last night, Jammin, and boy was it a beautifully etched out ride. I don't know how you chose those songs but they were perfect for each other; it's definitely one of the best mix's I've heard in a long time. I mean, I know you said you crafted it strictly with flow in mind but the songs really do fit each other in many different aspects; much of which are in tone and style despite the gaps in some albums between songs. Awesome stuff, I'll definitely be cranking this one again. It feels like an official playlist. :tup :tup
On a different topic, I still can't get into Lazarus. Mainly because of the painful memories that have latched and dug their claws into the song itself and thus my head whenever I listen to it but it's just too pretty and whimsical for me. That whole darkly beautiful aspect that Wilson and Akerfeldt talked about with Storm Corrosion, or any Opeth album? This song is like the polar opposite to that train of thought; it's just all too nice sounding and..well not 'happy-go-lucky' but something about it just rubs me the wrong way. I think it is (not counting the abortion that is most of TI) the only PT song I actually dislike. Not massively, and not entirely for the song itself (like I said, fuckin' memories boohoo wah wah, ghosts of girlfriends past scrooge), but good lord. Wilson must have thought "I like the idea of having something disturbing and ugly right beside something beautiful, but what about a song that makes someone think they're in a pixie filled fairytale wonderland with ghosts?" Too pretty man, too pretty. Smear some blood on that shit, brah. That's what she said. She's a sadist.
P.S. I really love Cut Ribbon. I still have the wrongly titled "'Wet' Ribbon"; good stuff though, it's a badass lil groove (it was the biggest lightbulb moment whenever I found out that it wasn't actually called Wet Ribbon..."OH MY GOD THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS CUT RIBBON, WHY WAS THE RIBBON WET? WHAT DID YOU SPILL ON IT?"). I wish they had the SW App available for download/buy somewhere. They really could make a pretty penny off of making those songs that they have to stream on the app available to buy for .99 cents, I'd buy almost every song up. I especially want the remix of Index, IndexTwentyTwelve.
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you can get "Cut Ribbon" (the GFD version) for free at SW's SoundCloud. nothing else on the app is exclusive or new, really. isn't that "Index" remix available on Amazon?
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I fell asleep to your mix last night, Jammin, and boy was it a beautifully etched out ride. I don't know how you chose those songs but they were perfect for each other; it's definitely one of the best mix's I've heard in a long time. I mean, I know you said you crafted it strictly with flow in mind but the songs really do fit each other in many different aspects; much of which are in tone and style despite the gaps in some albums between songs. Awesome stuff, I'll definitely be cranking this one again. It feels like an official playlist. :tup :tup
I'm all verklempt..... ;D
Honestly...the greatest compliment I have *ever* had about a mix tape/CD....and I've been making them for friends a *very* long time. It's an art form, to say the least.
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Take your favorite song from every album and rank it, just cause it's totally pointless and repetitive.
Awaiting Marc's interesting post!
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This is just off the top of my head
1. Anesthetize
2. Trains
3. Don't hate me
4. I drive the hearse
5. Dark Matter
6. Rainy taxi
7. Sky moves sideways phase 1
8. Russia on Ice
9. Open Car
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Awaiting Marc's interesting post!
:rollin I would, but I've been so far away from PT music lately I've not had their music on my musical radar for nearly a half-year...but here's what I'll give ya...
"Anesthetize"
"Arriving Somewhere But Not Here"
"Dark Matter"
"The Sky Moves Sideways" (If I can count it as one song, if not then just Phase 1)
"Russia On Ice"
"Don't Hate Me"
"Gravity Eyelids"
"Time Flies"
"Burning Sky"
"It Will Rain For A Million Years"
Probably about as best as I can do for now, but I'll get back to this whenever I get back in the PT-mood!
-Marc.
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1. Arriving Somewhere...
2. Russia On Ice
3. Sleep Together
4. Burning Sky
5. Radioactive Toy
6. Even Less
7. Sever
8. The Incident
9. Gravity Eyelids
10. The Sky Moves Sideways Phase 1
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Is there a place(s) I can get all the B-sides, like a huge compilation or something? I just learned that they have so many songs that I've never heard, and I need to fix it ASAP.
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Is there a place(s) I can get all the B-sides, like a huge compilation or something? I just learned that they have so many songs that I've never heard, and I need to fix it ASAP.
First, get the 2-Disc Re-issues of:
Up The Downstair (includes Staircase Infinities EP)
The Sky Moves Sideways
Signify (includes Insignificance EP)
Then get:
Metanoia (Outtakes/Improvisations from the Signify-era)
Recordings (B-Sides from the Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun years)
Nil Recurring (B-Sides from FOABP)
Voyage 34: The Complete Trip (the whole cycle of the original piece)
Stars Die: The Delerium Years 1991–1997 (Has a few more non-album tracks not included in the above)
Then get this:
Futile (https://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/94/466/) (B-Sides from IA-era)
That should cover most of it.
-Marc.
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I'd say get Recordings and Nil Recurring.
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1. Heartattack in a Layby
2. Hatesong
3. The Start of Something Beautiful
4. Slave Called Shiver
5. Idiot Prayer
6. Fear of a Blank Planet
7. The Sky Moves Sideways Phase I
8. The Incident
9. Up the Downstair
10. The Nostalgia Factory
Hard list to make actually. All of these songs are so cool that it's tough to see them on the bottom of any list.
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1. Anesthetize
2. Heartattack in a Layby
3. Mellotron Scratch
4. Shesmovedon
5. Every Home Is Wired
6. Baby Dream In Cellophane
7. The Incident
8. Dislocated Day
9. Synesthesia
10. Radioactive Toy
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weird. i allways disliked porcupine tree.
and now im listening to in absentia and suddenly everything clicks and it sounds awesome :O
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weird. i allways disliked porcupine tree.
and now im listening to in absentia and suddenly everything clicks and it sounds awesome :O
:tup :tup
Also:
1. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. Collapse the Light into Earth
4. I Drive the Hearse
5. Dark Matter
6. Stop Swimming
7. Anesthetize
8. The Sky Moves Sideways
9. Burning Sky (original version with the fake drums)
10. The Nostalgia Factory
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The list changes every now and then, but something like this:
1. Dark Matter
2. Hatesong
3. Trains
4. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
5. Drown With Me
6. Sleep Together
7. Even Less (Full Version)
8. Mellotron Scratch
9. Always Never
10. The Sky Moves Sideways
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The list changes every now and then, but something like this:
1. Dark Matter
2. Hatesong
3. Trains
4. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
5. Drown With Me
6. Sleep Together
7. Even Less (Full Version)
8. Mellotron Scratch
9. Always Never
10. The Sky Moves Sideways
You do realize that you just included two songs (Drown with Me and the full version of Even Less) that aren't on any PT studio album, right? :biggrin:
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Was that a requirement? I thought it was just top10 PT.
If I can't pick those two songs, then just replace them with Gravity Eyelids and A Smart Kid.
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Original question:
Take your favorite song from every album and rank it, just cause it's totally pointless and repetitive.
The obvious assumption there is to take your favorite song from the 10 studio albums and rank them in order, which pretty much everyone has done. ;) :P
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1. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
2. Dark Matter
3. Trains
4. Lightbulb Sun
5. The Sky Moves Sideways
6. Fear of a Blank Planet
7. Pure Narcotic
8. The Incident
9. Always Never
10. Nine Cats
All great songs..
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Top 10 SW songs:
1. Insurgentes
2. The Start of Something Beautiful
3. No Part of Me
4. Heartattack in a Layby
5. Glass Arm Shattering
6. My Gift of Silence
7. No Twilight In the Courts of the Sun
8. Piano Lessons
9. Trains
10. Once
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Okay then I'll go with:
1. Dark Matter
2. Hatesong
3. Trains
4. A Smart Kid
5. Sleep Together
6. Always Never
7. The Sky Moves Sideways
8. Mellotron Scratch
9. The Nostalgia Factory
10. I Drive the Hearse
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I haven't listened to their debut, so this is what my list would probably look like:
1. Anesthetize
2. The Start of something beautiful
3. Dark matter
4. Lightbulb sun
5. Even less
6. The Sound of muzak
7. The Incident
8. The Sky moves sideways pt 1
9. Synesthesia
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Haven't listened to the first three albums yet so...
1: Trains
2: Hatesong
3: The Start Of Something Beautiful
4: Dark Matter
5: Time Flies
6: Sentimental
7: Don't Hate Me
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Is there a place(s) I can get all the B-sides, like a huge compilation or something? I just learned that they have so many songs that I've never heard, and I need to fix it ASAP.
Marc's comprehensive answer
a few random things missing:
- the "Lazarus" single (for "Half-Light" and "So Called Friend")
- Deadwing DVD-A (for "Mother and Child Divided" and "Revenant")
- "London" and "Disappear" demos from SW's SoundCloud page
- "Men of Wood" 1994 mix from TSMS remaster vinyl (not the latest reissue)
- Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape contains all of the non-OTSOL material, if you count this as a non-album release
- "Meantime" and "Tinto Brass (Live)" from the Burning Shed store (IA + Warszawa outtakes)
- "Black Dahlia" and "Flicker" instrumental from The Incident DVD-A
- Arriving Somewhere DVD (for the remix of "Mother and Child Divided" and gallery ambient piece by SW/Barbieri)
- "It Will Rain for a Million Years" from the Love, Death & Mussolini EP (early track that isn't on OTSOL or YHD, despite the name)
- Lightbulb Sun remaster bonus disc (for "Buying New Soul" backing track and "Novak")
- 2003 tour intro piece from ye olde PT website (archive.org i think)
and there are various demos and alternates officially released for "Russia on Ice," "Even Less," "Hallogallo," and "Oceans Have No Memory."
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Is there a place(s) I can get all the B-sides, like a huge compilation or something? I just learned that they have so many songs that I've never heard, and I need to fix it ASAP.
Marc's comprehensive answer
a few random things missing:
- the "Lazarus" single (for "Half-Light" and "So Called Friend")
- Deadwing DVD-A (for "Mother and Child Divided" and "Revenant")
- "London" and "Disappear" demos from SW's SoundCloud page
- "Men of Wood" 1994 mix from TSMS remaster vinyl (not the latest reissue)
- Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape contains all of the non-OTSOL material, if you count this as a non-album release
- "Meantime" and "Tinto Brass (Live)" from the Burning Shed store (IA + Warszawa outtakes)
- "Black Dahlia" and "Flicker" instrumental from The Incident DVD-A
- Arriving Somewhere DVD (for the remix of "Mother and Child Divided" and gallery ambient piece by SW/Barbieri)
- "It Will Rain for a Million Years" from the Love, Death & Mussolini EP (early track that isn't on OTSOL or YHD, despite the name)
- Lightbulb Sun remaster bonus disc (for "Buying New Soul" backing track and "Novak")
- 2003 tour intro piece from ye olde PT website (archive.org i think)
and there are various demos and alternates officially released for "Russia on Ice," "Even Less," "Hallogallo," and "Oceans Have No Memory."
Thanks for filling my gaps out with that post!
I wish they'd (being SW himself) release a "Recordings"-type B-Sides release of songs from the IA/DW sessions on one disc, as there are some great songs between those two albums that didn't quite make the cut!
"Collapse" – 1:39
"Drown with Me" – 5:22
"Orchidia" – 3:19
"Futile" – 6:04
"Chloroform" – 7:15
"Meantime" - 3:34
"So Called Friend" – 4:49
"Revenant" – 3:04
"Mother & Child Divided" – 4:59
"Half-Light" – 6:20
Total - 46:25
This would make an excellent companion disc to Recordings and both IA and DW.
-Marc.
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agreed! Recordings 2!
also, i missed the LBS demo of "Orchidia" with programmed drums, also from the PT website.
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Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Trains
Shesmovedon
A Smart Kid
Dark Matter
Anesthetize
Burning Sky
The Sky Moves Sideways (Phase 1)
Radioactive Toy
I feel really bad putting Burning Sky and TSMS1 so low.
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My copy of Signify arrived today. Threw it on the stereo and gave it a spin from start to finish.
Such a great album, and this was definitely a great way to give it a first listen.
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Not to hijack....but I think I improved on my awesome mix CD. It flowed *amazingly* but I was a little bugged that I didn't represent TI or UTD at all. I didn't want to *force* anything that didn't work...and I wasn't going to sacrifice "flow" just for the sake of including every album. But then I found a solution that was the best of both worlds. I substituted "Dark Matter" for the equally good (IMO) "I Drive the Hearse" (one of the few INCREDIBLE stand alone tracks on TI)...and since it's two minutes shorter, it bought me the time to add one of my favorite tracks from UTD, "Not Beautiful Anymore" without sacrificing any other songs.
Also, I like the way that the song order *feels* like a vinyl album. There are four distinct sections to the mix, giving it a perfect "double album...four sided" feel.
Final track listing:
1. Lightbulb Sun
2. Piano Lessons
3. Trains
4. Halo
5. Shesmovedon
6. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before it is Recycled
7. Slave Called Shiver
8. Dislocated Day
9. Not Beautiful Anymore
10. Open Car
11. Heartattack in a Layby
12. Idiot Prayer
13. Sentimental
14. The Start of Something Beautiful
15. I Drive the Hearse
Total time: 79:38
Another nice segue on this mix....the part that starts with Open Car, then the sounds of a car pulling over into Heartattack in a Layby, then (interestingly enough) after the guy dies it goes into Idiot Prayer which *also* opens with the sounds of traffic in the background. LOVED the way that worked out.
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This is cool. I actually listened to your other one, and you were right about Sentimental flowing into TSOSB :metal
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For some reason, my computer keeps changing the genre on Signify to 'Electronica'. If I change it, it either stops displaying the album art, or just changes it back. It also initially identified the artist as 'Porcupine Tree; Propupine Tree'.
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Maybe you stole it.
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I haven't listened to any PT Pre-Stupid Dream album as a whole. Which one is the best to start? Maybe Signify? Sky Moves Sideways? What do you recommend?
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I haven't listened to any PT album as a whole Pre-Stupid Dream. Which one is the best to start? Maybe Signify? Sky Moves Sideways? What do you recommend?
Tough one. They are both good for different reasons.
The Sky Moves Sideways grabbed me quicker....but I think Signify is the better album. As I mentioned earlier, I think the trick to liking Signify is to NOT look at the tracks. Put in the CD...close your eyes...put on the headphones...and listen to the CD at least twice through before you EVEN LOOK at the track listing on the back of the CD.
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That is great advice. Signify is a helluva journey and is best enjoyed from start to finish, instead of getting hung up on certain songs not being "real" songs or merely transitional pieces or whatever.
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Chloroform :heart :heart :heart
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all the pages torn?
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Speak clear, can't hear.
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Signify in the dark is so much win...
...but it does scare my dogs, notably the wierd weebly noises in Sever are the bits that cause the most response.
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Maybe you stole it.
It's disc 1 of the two disc digibook edition. I made a point of not so much as listening to a single song on youtube before my copy arrived, because I wanted to listen to the album properly.
Don't be an ass.
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Hey guys, look at my avatar; it's a porcupine tree. HAR HAR. What's actually funny to me is that it's the complete opposite of what I pictured when I try to picture a real 'porcupine tree'. I always pictured the spines of the porcupine being the leaves and branches of the top of the tree, not underground it like some crazy, spiny, underground acorn that sprouted a tree on top of it.
topic turned on:
I really, really, really love Chloroform. That should have been on the album despite it having very little to do with the rest of the album's feel and would probably mess with the flow a bit, but it's just that good.
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Hey guys, look at my avatar; it's a porcupine tree. HAR HAR. What's actually funny to me is that it's the complete opposite of what I pictured when I try to picture a real 'porcupine tree'. I always pictured the spines of the porcupine being the leaves and branches of the top of the tree, not underground it like some crazy, spiny, underground acorn that sprouted a tree on top of it.
topic turned on:
I really, really, really love Chloroform. That should have been on the album despite it having very little to do with the rest of the album's feel and would probably mess with the flow a bit, but it's just that good.
I agree, and I also feel the same about Drown With Me and Futile. (though I'm not sure if the latter was written during or after IA)
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Futile is such an awesome song.
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Ah Drown With Me is beautiful :heart
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Ah Drown With Me is beautiful :heart
Yes!!! I remember discovering Mellotron Scratch and falling in love with that song, I then tossed IA on my ipod and nothing really stood out except I was driving down the road and Drown With Me came on, immediately fell in love with that song.
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Mellatron Scratch is my other love, you clearly have awesome opinions on music Reaper :biggrin:
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Ah Drown With Me is beautiful :heart
One of my favorites.
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Ah Drown With Me is beautiful :heart
One of my favorites.
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Anybody else hate SW's high vocal range? It always sounds so processed. SW is the best producer that I've heard but I can't stand how thin and inhuman his voice can get.
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ur crazy lol
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Sometimes it's good. Take the "snaps of life we had in the garden" (or whatever he says) in Unpleasant Family. That's perfect. But compare it to "droooooooown with mee"....it just isn't solid enough and sounds heavily modified in a bad way.
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Okay now that makes more sense. I semi agree. Every now and then his highs sound sorta processed. But your example of Your Unpleasant Family is a perfect example of when it's beautiful.
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My rankings for In Absentia:
.3
Collapse The Light Into Earth
Trains
Blackest Eyes
Wedding Nails
Gravity Eyelids
The Creator Has A Mastertape
Strip The Soul
Prodigal
The Sound Of Muzak
Lips Of Ashes
Heartattack In A Layby
Come at me.
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Each time I listen to .3 I need to try incredibly hard to stay focused, I find it really uninteresting and bland. To see it as someone's favorite song on In Absentia is a shocker for me.
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.3 is beautiful.
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I can't remember if I ranked these songs last time, so w/e:
Gravity Eyelids
The Creator Has A Mastertape
Trains
Blackest Eyes
Wedding Nails
Heart Attack In A Layby
Prodigal
Strip The Soul
Lips Of Ashes
Collapse The Light Into The Earth
The Sound of Muzak
.3
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I can't remember if I ranked these songs last time, so w/e:
Gravity Eyelids
The Creator Has A Mastertape
Trains
Blackest Eyes
Wedding Nails
Heart Attack In A Layby
Prodigal
Lips Of Ashes
Collapse The Light Into The Earth
The Sound of Muzak
.3
:'(
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Srsly, Chloroform may be my favorite PT song. It's definitely at the top of IA and shut the fuck up it should have been on the album and even if it wasn't I'd put it there anyway because i got a pocket full of hawthornes.
Oh yeah and might as well:
(Chloroform)
Prodigal
Gravity Eyelids
Strip The Soul
.3
Heart Attack In A Layby
Lips Of Ashes
Wedding Nails
The Sound Of Muzak
(Drown With Me)
The Creator Has A Mastertape
Collapse The Light Into The Earth
Trains
Blackest Eyes
Why the hell isn't anyone ranking Strip The Soul? You're all poons, for realz. That song is the shiznit and I'd take it over Popeye's Chicken anyday. Well...I'd take a bludgeon to the balls over Popeye's fucking shit.
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Chloroform and Drown with Me are both awesome (the latter being a borderline top 10 PT song, IMO), but I can't imagine either of them being on In Absentia, simply because that album flows so well and it is hard to imagine it any other way. Even the least best songs like Wedding Nails, Strip the Soul and The Creater Has a Mastertape sound excellent within the context of the record. :tup :tup
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Indeed, it would mess with the flow greatly. So, I cede and put them in brackets... Sigh... I hate brackets. But I'll do it for the sake of IA's flow. Period.
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Why the hell isn't anyone ranking Strip The Soul? You're all poons, for realz. That song is the shiznit and I'd take it over Popeye's Chicken anyday. Well...I'd take a bludgeon to the balls over Popeye's fucking shit.
Oops. :lol
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Gavin really, really reminds me of Robert Sean Leonard (Wilson from House; Dead Poets Society; Swing Kids). Like, every time I see Gavin I want to call him Wilson. Except not PT's Wilson. Dr. Wilson.
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Didn't we rank In Absentia a few days ago? There are more exciting things to do, and rank, believe it or not. :lol
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Why the hell isn't anyone ranking Strip The Soul? You're all poons, for realz. That song is the shiznit and I'd take it over Popeye's Chicken anyday. Well...I'd take a bludgeon to the balls over Popeye's fucking shit.
Oops. :lol
Yeah, that's a ditto therefrom me too. :biggrin:
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Didn't we rank In Absentia a few days ago? There are more exciting things to do, and rank, believe it or not. :lol
There are? :lol
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Alright, ranking which albums are the most fun to rank:
Deadwing
In Absentia
Lightbulb Sun
Fear Of A Blank Planet
Stupid Dream
On The Sunday Of Life
Up The Downstair
The Incident
Signify
The Sky Moves Sideways
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Srsly, Chloroform may be my favorite PT song. It's definitely at the top of IA and shut the fuck up it should have been on the album and even if it wasn't I'd put it there anyway because i got a pocket full of hawthornes.
Oh yeah and might as well:
(Chloroform)
Chloroform is also one of my favorites. The drumming always reminded me of a softer version of Tool's "Reflection"
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I wish Drown with me were a part of the album, it's been one of my favorites since I've seen it on Anesthetize DVD. I'd take it over Prodigal anytime, and something tells me the album would work if I made a playlist with Drown with me instead of Prodigal.
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Except Prodigal is fantastic
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Prodigal is cool. I like how each time the chorus is played, a new vocal harmony is added.
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I wish Drown with me were a part of the album, it's been one of my favorites since I've seen it on Anesthetize DVD. I'd take it over Prodigal anytime, and something tells me the album would work if I made a playlist with Drown with me instead of Prodigal.
See I would keep prodigal and take off "heartattck in layby"
*puts flame suit on*
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Sigz will not be happy with you for that one.
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
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I should be getting to meet Gavin Harrison in July, getting paid to help out dad do some press coverage at the drum case company he endorses :)
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I should be getting to meet Gavin Harrison in July, getting paid to help out dad do some coverage at the drum case company he endorses :)
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How dare you double post.
That's awesome, so lucky..
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
Not only the best track on IA....but the greatest PT song of all time. As much as I love all PT songs, this is the only song that is so breathtakingly gorgeous and fantastic, that I am compelled to *REPLAY* the song every time I hear it. Very few times have I ever listened to IA all the way through without stopping to play HiaL twice.
I'm really shocked that anyone could be a PT fan and not be stunned at the perfection of this song. There's not a single song in PT's catalog that "paints a picture" of what's happening in the song better than HiaL. I've never...EVER... heard a four and a half minute song say so much in so little time. It's the only song under 7 minutes that I would classify as "an epic".
It's like being a huge PF fan and calling Breathe/Time "a throw away track"...
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
>ISHYGDDTSHIGGYDIGGY
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agreed with those reactions. "Heartattack" is definitely in my top 5. it's a highlight of Wilson's entire career, and nothing on Grace for Drowning touches it (even "Deform" and "No Part of Me!"), imo.
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I should be getting to meet Gavin Harrison in July, getting paid to help out dad do some press coverage at the drum case company he endorses :)
Ah that's cool! Lucky you
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I think Layby is one of the better songs on In Absentia, but I know some people rank it much higher.
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I think Layby is one of the better songs on In Absentia, but I know some people rank it much higher.
Yeah, its probably my 3rd favourite.
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
I kind of agree here, hence why I ranked it last on IA. It's good, I think.. but I just don't understand all the praise. Then again, I have .3 at the top of IA.
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
I didn't like it at first. It sort of blends in with the other songs, and due to it's length, it's easy for it to miss your attention.
Now it's one of my favorites. Top 3, probably.
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I absolutely love Layby, but it took me a long time to love it as well. One day it just clicked.
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Heard PT on the radio for the first time ever yesterday. Fucking weird, man.
Any news related stuff come out? Or is it just all solo stuff/Storm Corrosion with SW at the moment?
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Well, unless something changed we have the PT live (Chicago and RAH was it?) coming out later this year. Otherwise SW will probably be busy mixing his solo show in Mexico which was recorded, and also making SW3.
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Well, unless something changed we have the PT live (Chicago and RAH was it?) coming out later this year. Otherwise SW will probably be busy mixing his solo show in Mexico which was recorded, and also making SW3.
And possibly BF4 perhaps?
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Well, SW already recorded parts for BF4 back in March or so, around the same time it was revealed that Vinny from Anathema would sing on the album. Apart from perhaps mixing the album in the end, I don't think he will be involved much more, since he has made it clear that it will be primarily Aviv's project.
I believe he will sing on one song, and then backing vocals on a few others.
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I want new PT.
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Vinny is singing on BF4? I hadn't heard that, that's awesome.
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Not too excited for BF4 over here. Steven wrote and fronted BF's best songs.
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
I'm really shocked that anyone could be a PT fan and not be stunned at the perfection of this song. There's not a single song in PT's catalog that "paints a picture" of what's happening in the song better than HiaL. I've never...EVER... heard a four and a half minute song say so much in so little time. It's the only song under 7 minutes that I would classify as "an epic".
HAIAL, is the perfect song that paints a picture. I can see the person driving, and feel the sadness in the situation.
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Not too excited for BF4 over here. Steven wrote and fronted BF's best songs.
Opposite for me. While Steven's touch was important for the overall sound, Aviv wrote the best stuff IMO.
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Not too excited for BF4 over here. Steven wrote and fronted BF's best songs.
Opposite for me. While Steven's touch was important for the overall sound, Aviv wrote the best stuff IMO.
Regardlesss, SW has still fronted most of BF. I like aviv as a support vocallist, but it wouldn't feel like a Blackfield record without Steven predominantly on vocals to me. Hopefully he'll still sing on a few.
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My new favourite thing right now is to go to bed at about 830pm with my epic playlist of sad and mostly PT songs (Collapse the Light into Earth, Fadeaway, Stop Swimming, A Smart Kid, The Joke's On You, Half-Light, Untitled, Cure for Optimism, shesmovedon, Russia on Ice, Feel So Low, Heartattack in a Layby, Sentimental), turn the lights out, snuggle into my duvet and close my eyes and drift off listening to it, I love that half awake/half asleep period where you're still not quite asleep, but you're so relaxed and close yet the melodies flow through you, I feel like it recharges me for the next day more than actual sleep ever could. Just so awesome.
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Yeah I love the half asleep feeling. It's really great.
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My new favourite thing right now is to go to bed at about 830pm with my epic playlist of sad and mostly PT songs (Collapse the Light into Earth, Fadeaway, Stop Swimming, A Smart Kid, The Joke's On You, Half-Light, Untitled, Cure for Optimism, shesmovedon, Russia on Ice, Feel So Low, Heartattack in a Layby, Sentimental), turn the lights out, snuggle into my duvet and close my eyes and drift off listening to it, I love that half awake/half asleep period where you're still not quite asleep, but you're so relaxed and close yet the melodies flow through you, I feel like it recharges me for the next day more than actual sleep ever could. Just so awesome.
pretty sure i could sleep to "Moonloop" and "Light Mass Prayers" on repeat all night. amaaaaazing.
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I never understood the love for layby, it's such a forgettable track
I'm really shocked that anyone could be a PT fan and not be stunned at the perfection of this song. There's not a single song in PT's catalog that "paints a picture" of what's happening in the song better than HiaL. I've never...EVER... heard a four and a half minute song say so much in so little time. It's the only song under 7 minutes that I would classify as "an epic".
HAIAL, is the perfect song that paints a picture. I can see the person driving, and feel the sadness in the situation.
The surround version makes my music brain explode too.
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Yeah I love the half asleep feeling. It's really great.
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I love Blackfield, but Aviv's live voice is a complete turn off.
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Huh, that sounds like something the Blackfield thread would love to know.
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I love Blackfield, but Aviv's live voice is a complete turn off.
His studio voice is a complete turn off, too.
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You guys are just knobs. :P
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So what's the deal with Porcupine Tree? Are they starting a new album soon?
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Not until after Steven Wilson's third solo album at the earliest.
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Not until after Steven Wilson's third solo album at the earliest.
Yep and he will be touring again after his 3rd solo album is released as well! :metal
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Not until after Steven Wilson's third solo album at the earliest.
Yep and he will be touring again after his 3rd solo album is released as well! :metal
:metal this is not. Would much rather have new PT and tour first.
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If PT comes back after Steven's 3rd album and tour and create a new masterpiece I will be more than okay with waiting the four or five years. I mean, even though PT haven't been active since the Incident tour, I haven't really felt like I NEED new PT music. Blackfield and Grace for Drowning have helped tide me over (GfD moreseo than BF).
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Not until after Steven Wilson's third solo album at the earliest.
Yep and he will be touring again after his 3rd solo album is released as well! :metal
:metal this is not. Would much rather have new PT and tour first.
Agreed. I see it playing out like this...
Summer 2012 - SW Records his 3rd solo album
Fall 2012 - SW mixes the album
Winter 2012 - SW releases 3rd solo album
Spring 2013 - SW Tours with his band on said album
Summer 2013 - SW reconvenes with PT to begin writing
Fall 2013 - PT begin recording their 11th studio album
Winter 2013 - SW mixes the album
Spring 2014 - PT release their 11th studio album
Summer 2014 - PT Tours their 11th studio album
And this is a best-case-scenario...which makes their 11th studio album release date almost 5 whole years after The Incident. I mean, five years between albums isn't TOO bad, is it? Tool, Rush, The Flower Kings...they've released albums with 5-year gaps (though the latter only recently due to the band going on a break)...and they're pretty fantastic bands.
I think we can expect some greatness from PT after the five-year wait...
-Marc.
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I think it would be cool if for PT's next album Steven lets the guys bring in a lot of their own material. That way, it will sound very different and unique.
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Not too excited for BF4 over here. Steven wrote and fronted BF's best songs.
I agree, Waiving is the best BF song by miles.
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Not until after Steven Wilson's third solo album at the earliest.
Yep and he will be touring again after his 3rd solo album is released as well! :metal
:metal this is not. Would much rather have new PT and tour first.
Agreed. I see it playing out like this...
Summer 2012 - SW Records his 3rd solo album
Fall 2012 - SW mixes the album
Winter 2012 - SW releases 3rd solo album
Spring 2013 - SW Tours with his band on said album
Summer 2013 - SW reconvenes with PT to begin writing
Fall 2013 - PT begin recording their 11th studio album
Winter 2013 - SW mixes the album
Spring 2014 - PT release their 11th studio album
Summer 2014 - PT Tours their 11th studio album
And this is a best-case-scenario...which makes their 11th studio album release date almost 5 whole years after The Incident. I mean, five years between albums isn't TOO bad, is it? Tool, Rush, The Flower Kings...they've released albums with 5-year gaps (though the latter only recently due to the band going on a break)...and they're pretty fantastic bands.
I think we can expect some greatness from PT after the five-year wait...
-Marc.
He is mixing the Steven Wilson live DVD/Blu-ray and I'm guessing he is also working on the Porcupine Tree "Live" 2CD/DVD. Those will both be released later this year and his 3rd solo album is planned to be released in the Spring of '13.
I can't wait for the new solo album but also can't wait until PT gets back together to record and tour afterwards. I still haven't seen him or PT live yet. I WILL see both the next time they tour, I must!
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He is mixing the Steven Wilson live DVD/Blu-ray and I'm guessing he is also working on the Porcupine Tree "Live" 2CD/DVD. Those will both be released later this year and his 3rd solo album is planned to be released in the Spring of '13.
I can't wait for the new solo album but also can't wait until PT gets back together to record and tour afterwards. I still haven't seen him or PT live yet. I WILL see both the next time they tour, I must!
Spring 2013, eh? Well, I suppose that means we won't see PT11 until Summer or Fall of 2014, then, which would, at the latest, place it exactly 5 years after their last album.
-Marc.
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He is mixing the Steven Wilson live DVD/Blu-ray and I'm guessing he is also working on the Porcupine Tree "Live" 2CD/DVD. Those will both be released later this year and his 3rd solo album is planned to be released in the Spring of '13.
I can't wait for the new solo album but also can't wait until PT gets back together to record and tour afterwards. I still haven't seen him or PT live yet. I WILL see both the next time they tour, I must!
Spring 2013, eh? Well, I suppose that means we won't see PT11 until Summer or Fall of 2014, then, which would, at the latest, place it exactly 5 years after their last album.
-Marc.
Which is about 3 years too many.
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I'd much prefer Steven just do whatever he feels inspired to do. If he goes in to write a PT album when what he really whats to do is his solo project then the PT album has a pretty good chance of being shit.
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Next PT album will most likely not be out until late 2013, or early 2014.
As it looks right now, Steven Wilson has several things "higher" on his list:
*Solo-album #3 (writing, recording, mixing etc)
*Live in Mexico BluRay/DVD (mixing)
*Touring for solo-album #3
*Porcupine Tree Live (I'm not sure how much he will be involved since it's recorded already, but seeing as he wants control of things, I assume he will be mixing it)
*Blackfield 4 (he has taken a step down from the band, he has already recorded vocals for the album, but it still feels likely that he will mix the album)
*No-Man (this has only been rumoured really, but they haven't released anything since 2008, and Tim Bowness has sounded eager to do something with SW soon again)
*Other mixing jobs (He has done mixes for King Crimson and a few other classic Prog-bands, it feels logical that we'll see at least one or two more of those this year)
As much as I love PT, I feel like GfD is Steven Wilson's best album so far in his career, and if he keeps putting out albums of the same quality under his solo name, then I probably wont miss PT as much.
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I'd much prefer Steven just do whatever he feels inspired to do. If he goes in to write a PT album when what he really whats to do is his solo project then the PT album has a pretty good chance of being shit.
I'd prefer it if he was inspired to write another PT album.
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I'd much prefer Steven just do whatever he feels inspired to do. If he goes in to write a PT album when what he really whats to do is his solo project then the PT album has a pretty good chance of being shit.
I'd prefer it if he was inspired to write another PT album.
He will...next summer... :sadpanda:
-Marc.
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I'd rather wait and have an awesome PT-album, than seeing SW rush an album because the fans want him to make it.
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What are everyone here's thoughts on Fear of a Blank Planet? Sure, its lyrics go off the rails sometimes, but to me it's a really special album because it's got such character. It's the only Porcupine Tree album I'd comfortably call progressive metal, and has some very relevant themes driving it. It almost seems important.
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^^^^ FOABP is not only my favorite PT album, but its also one of my favorite albums of all time.
and its contains my favorite PT song: Anesthetize
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What are everyone here's thoughts on Fear of a Blank Planet? Sure, its lyrics go off the rails sometimes, but to me it's a really special album because it's got such character. It's the only Porcupine Tree album I'd comfortably call progressive metal, and has some very relevant themes driving it. It almost seems important.
It was the band's first new album after I became a fan (which was not long after Deadwing was released), so I have a special spot in my mind and heart for it, especially since PT were one of the few bands I've seen live, and it was on the FOABP tour.
I only ever listen to the album in the vinyl tracklist order (which includes the four Nil Recurring tracks), and it's quite a journey. It's a bit different than their previous 3 albums, both in musical tones and character, as well as lyrically, of course. It's very dark, moody, and the music truly conveys the lyrics' tones and emotions quite well. It's one of my favorite PT albums, and probably my most-listened one at that. I also like the more cohesive, conceptual feel of the whole album, and while it doesn't follow a unique, singular character, it's anonymity of it's protagonist gives the album a universal appeal to those who are a part of that generation, or have experienced it through other means. It's a interesting view point of youth that I've never seen or have yet to see since in music, well, especially to cover a WHOLE album.
-Marc.
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First PT album I heard. I think it is awesome. The lyrics never bothered me because SW was going for a bit of a concept, and I think his lyrics fit the concept very well. And they fit in so well with the music (yes, even the references to ipods and shit). Anesthetize is my favorite PT song and one of my favorite songs of all time, and all the songs on the album are great. I prefer Normal over Sentimental, but other than that I wouldn't change a thing. (Unless they had a live version of Sleep Together, because the live version is fucking EPIC)
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Probably my number 1 favourite album of all time... really hits me emotionally and it helped me get through a tough time a couple years ago
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What are everyone here's thoughts on Fear of a Blank Planet? Sure, its lyrics go off the rails sometimes, but to me it's a really special album because it's got such character. It's the only Porcupine Tree album I'd comfortably call progressive metal, and has some very relevant themes driving it. It almost seems important.
Easily my favorite PT-album. All of the songs are just superb. :heart
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Yeah its my fave too :)
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I can't be bothered to look back too much, so I'll just assume ya'll are talking about Deadwing and not the oft overrated FoaBP.
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What are everyone here's thoughts on Fear of a Blank Planet? Sure, its lyrics go off the rails sometimes, but to me it's a really special album because it's got such character. It's the only Porcupine Tree album I'd comfortably call progressive metal, and has some very relevant themes driving it. It almost seems important.
Its a very good album, and a strange case because its an album I've enjoyed even after adding another 20 minutes of music to it (usually I'm like SW in liking albums to be around 45 minutes to an hour). Yeah the lyrics get a little silly in places but overall its incredibly strong.
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Yeah, FOABP is definitely my favorite PT album. The concept, the atmosphere, and the beauty of the entire album just hits hard on all levels.
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I think FoaBP is my second favourite, as I like the atmosphere and how it fits together really well, but Signify has the wierd trancy bits and harmonies which slightly steal it for me...
...but only just.
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What are everyone here's thoughts on Fear of a Blank Planet? Sure, its lyrics go off the rails sometimes, but to me it's a really special album because it's got such character. It's the only Porcupine Tree album I'd comfortably call progressive metal, and has some very relevant themes driving it. It almost seems important.
It took me a few listens to get into it, but once it clicked... it clicked HARD. I think it's my favorite PT album, but IMO you HAVE to include the Nil Recurring songs with the FOABP songs to get the full effect.
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How do you include the nil recurring songs into FOABP? Do you just put them in after Sleep Together or is there some official order I'm not aware of?
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How do you include the nil recurring songs into FOABP? Do you just put them in after Sleep Together or is there some official order I'm not aware of?
This is the vinyl tracklisting
Fear of a Blank Planet
My Ashes
Cheating the Polygraph
Anesthetize
Sentimental
Way Out Of Here
Sleep Together
Nil Recurring
Normal
What Happens Now?
There have been a few fan made tracklistings too, though.
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How do you include the nil recurring songs into FOABP? Do you just put them in after Sleep Together or is there some official order I'm not aware of?
This is the vinyl tracklisting
Fear of a Blank Planet
My Ashes
Cheating the Polygraph
Anesthetize
Sentimental
Way Out Of Here
Sleep Together
Nil Recurring
Normal
What Happens Now?
There have been a few fan made tracklistings too, though.
This order, to me, is definitive, not only because it was on an official release, but because it flows so well and the placement of the last 3 tracks really offers a greater ending to the whole album/concept/story, especially with all the reprises happening in the last 3 tracks that reflect on the prior 3 sides of the album.
-Marc.
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I dunno how I feel about Sleep Together not being the closer though. I feel it should at least be second to last, if not the final track. I like the order of everything else.
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Look at who'll be August's Guitar Player Magazine cover story:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/303406_10151027390611063_1070393868_n.jpg)
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Was he always that thin?
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He's been thinner in the past.
I remember watching a DVD of PT at NEARfest back in the Lightbulb Sun days and thinking he's a person who, if I had seen him on the street, would think needed help with an eating disorder.
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How tall is he?
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How do you include the nil recurring songs into FOABP? Do you just put them in after Sleep Together or is there some official order I'm not aware of?
This is the vinyl tracklisting
Fear of a Blank Planet
My Ashes
Cheating the Polygraph
Anesthetize
Sentimental
Way Out Of Here
Sleep Together
Nil Recurring
Normal
What Happens Now?
There have been a few fan made tracklistings too, though.
This order, to me, is definitive, not only because it was on an official release, but because it flows so well and the placement of the last 3 tracks really offers a greater ending to the whole album/concept/story, especially with all the reprises happening in the last 3 tracks that reflect on the prior 3 sides of the album.
-Marc.
See and I just never felt that way. At one point, I had made a different order just because this order feels like it was just thrown together. As if someone just said, "Just take one of the tracks and put it on the shortest side (side one), and throw whatever is left over on the end." It honestly just looks and feels like it was a track order made purely for convenience of space, with no consideration for the flow of the story whatsoever.
The order I prefer is....
Side 1:
Fear of a Blank Planet
Cheating the Polygraph
My Ashes
Side 2:
Nil Recurring
Sentimental
Way Out of Here
Side 3:
Anesthetize
Side 4:
Normal
What Happens Now
Sleep Together
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I don't like the vinyl listing either. This is what I prefer:
FOABP
My Ashes
Cheating the Polygraph
Anesthetize
Normal
Sentimental
Nil Recurring
What Happens Now?
Way Out of Here
Sleep Together
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oooo....I really like that you have What Happens Now *opening* Side 4. What a great idea! I may have to adjust mine accordingly.
However, I don't like having Normal and Sentimental right next to each other. They are almost identical, and it feels better to me if they "bookend" the album on either side of the epic track as opposed to being in succession to each other. Just IMO.
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Look at who'll be August's Guitar Player Magazine cover story:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/303406_10151027390611063_1070393868_n.jpg)
:biggrin: :heart
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Deadwing is the best PT album.
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oooo....I really like that you have What Happens Now *opening* Side 4. What a great idea! I may have to adjust mine accordingly.
However, I don't like having Normal and Sentimental right next to each other. They are almost identical, and it feels better to me if they "bookend" the album on either side of the epic track as opposed to being in succession to each other. Just IMO.
Those two are the only ones I was scratching my head over when I was putting it together, but I like "Normal" after "Anesthetize" and love "Sentimental" before "Nil Recurring." Honestly, "Normal" is the song that fits the least well with the rest of the album, IMO, so its difficult to find a great place for it.
I also just tried "Normal" at the start of the album, but the title track has that 'first song buildup' that clashes with it.
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Steven's little speech at the beginning of Hatesong at NEARfest is extremely offputting.
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Steven's little speech at the beginning of Hatesong at NEARfest is extremely offputting.
Are you talking about the boy band one? In Steven's defense, they do pretty much totally go against everything he values in life. :lol Sometimes he does go a little overboard with his hatred though, I must admit.
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Steven can definitely be a little arrogant with his views, but I have to agree with him on most of what he says. Especially on the presentation side of it. He is really vocal about it, sometimes a bit too much, but I think SOMEONE needs to do it.
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Steven can definitely be a little arrogant with his views, but I have to agree with him on most of what he says. Especially on the presentation side of it. He is really vocal about it, sometimes a bit too much, but I think SOMEONE needs to do it.
Yup. I can see how someone who disagrees with him could REALLY be put off by him, but to me his views generally just make me love him more.
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I like some of those pop stars, so I'm definitely put off by him. In the Insurgentes movie, he says that he hates the idea of the music industry dismissing an artist's work as "shit" - but that's exactly what he does all the time.
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Just looked the video up on youtube, had a laugh. :lol
Also you have to remember that this was 11 years ago, Steven Wilson has certainly moved forward from that point.
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I like some of those pop stars, so I'm definitely put off by him. In the Insurgentes movie, he says that he hates the idea of the music industry dismissing an artist's work as "shit" - but that's exactly what he does all the time.
I am pretty sure very few people consider those people he listed real "artists." They are pop stars and entertainers, but not real artists in the literal sense, so what is the problem?
Plus, like Zantera said, this was over a decade ago, so who cares?
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I like some of those pop stars, so I'm definitely put off by him. In the Insurgentes movie, he says that he hates the idea of the music industry dismissing an artist's work as "shit" - but that's exactly what he does all the time.
I am pretty sure very few people consider those people he listed real "artists." They are pop stars and entertainers, but not real artists in the literal sense, so what is the problem?
Right. To Steven, I don't think the Backstreet Boys are artists. They're a group of people who get songs written for them and dressed up in fashionable clothes to make big money for record labels and get laid.
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^ That. There's nothing wrong with pop artists like Lady Gaga for instance, who write their own songs, but every time a judge says "man you have real artistry in you" on American Idol, I can only think "well they're going to have songs written for them rather than ones they wrote themselves so you're kind of squandering it, aren't you?"
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Isn't performance an art? Would you deny that professional musicians that play composed music in a major orchestra possess the quality of artistry? What about singers in Broadway musicals?
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Isn't performance an art? Would you deny that professional musicians that play composed music in a major orchestra possess the quality of artistry? What about singers in Broadway musicals?
I'll say it before, and I'll say it again.
There are hundreds of thousands of wines out in the world. Some of them I love, many of them I like, and some of them I don't care for at all. Some I really despise, but they are still legitimately made "wines"...someone is making a valiant attempt at wine as an art, and sometimes *my opinion* may say it's bad art...but that doesn't make it "not art".
However. There is a league of "wines" that have their very own category. They are listed in Wiki as "Bum Wines". (Thunderbird actually redirects there) These are a TOTALLY different class of wines altogether and everyone knows it. I don't consider these "wines" to be art in any way shape or form. They are not drunk by people who love wine...they are drunk by people who don't give a crap about wine....and they stay in business because they make *A TON* of money selling wine to people who don't give a flying turd about "artistry". It's completely sales driven.
Many modern pop stars/hits fall under this umbrella. They are "bum wines". They have no redeeming value. They are not art. Anyone who tries to defend it...is the same as someone who claims to be a sommelier and defending the artistic merit of Night Train. The day that you find me a professionally licensed sommelier who can sing the praises of Wild Irish Rose and MD 20/20 with a straight face and without losing his creditably...on that day I will make a retraction.
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^^^
Interesting analogy, but it makes sense. If performance is an art, it is not a MUSICAL art. It's a stage thing. What SW censures is the mockery of musical art, in which a person is praised for their music where in fact, that very music was not written BY the performer, and in some cases, isn't even truly performed BY the performer (i.e. lip-synchers like Ashley Simpson), which happens a lot in the pop-music industry. Performers like that often have large stages with lavish productions, perhaps to make up for the fact that there's not much else but the performance itself.
SW speaks of musical integrity, and I'm inclined to agree. While the music might sound good to some, the problem isn't the music or the performers themselves, but rather the problem is how it is brought together. Few pop artists write their own music alone, or at all, and then they're given all the praise for it because they performed it. It's a musical deception. I know there are people out there who make a living off of writing for other people, but to me, it just feels wrong. I feel like these artists' albums should all have every writer's and musician's names on the cover, and NOT just the performer's name. And it's so backwards that, in this world, the masses would publicly praise and fund the performers while bands with music by musicians who write for themselves (and not for the public/money/success) aren't well lauded by the world as a whole.
-Marc.
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Those are two completely different worlds. In the realm of popular music, where artists are expected to release albums of new material every now and then, I think a real artist tries to express themselves more through their own creativity. Even singers who have songs written for them can put some artistry in there from their voice, but at the same time, to me at least, its less genuine than someone who puts their own material out there.
With broadway and classical music, most of the artistic decisions are made by the conductors/directors, since they decide how the piece is performed, though those two fields focus almost entirely around reproductions of a piece or play, though there's usually going to be something to differentiate them from their originals, and that's where artistry comes in with those fields, I think. Jazz is even better about this, because even though there are "standards" everyone should know, there is still room to improvise and change things.
Popular music is all about doing new things, songs and albums, and I think the more genuine you are in wanting to share yourself creatively, writing new material, presenting it, etc. the more of an artist shows, if that makes sense. Like TOX said, people like Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys dress up and sing songs written for them, whether they believe a word of it or not, to make money, because the pop music scene has always been fairly shallow. Take Carrie Underwood for instance. Her two biggest hits are about someone praying to Jesus when their car is crashing, and the second is taking acts of revenge against a guy who's cheating on her. She's not behind those songs, two different teams of writers were (and it shows), so I consider her less of an artist than, say, Adele. Does that make sense? I'm kind of rambling at this point. Yes I know this makes me somewhat of an elitist prick. :lol
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I still think that performing is art. Loosely defined, art is expression. If someone writes a song for you to sing, you're still expressing yourself, and you're an artist.
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If everything about a performer, start to finish, is just about making money, it's not art.
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I think it could be. If I find artistic merit in something a performer does just for money...then the art is there, and it must have been produced by an artist.
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Plus maddog and yellow tail are both wines and certainly both booze and at the end of the day you drink them for the alcohol.
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Interesting analogy, but it makes sense. If performance is an art, it is not a MUSICAL art. It's a stage thing. What SW censures is the mockery of musical art, in which a person is praised for their music where in fact, that very music was not written BY the performer, and in some cases, isn't even truly performed BY the performer (i.e. lip-synchers like Ashley Simpson), which happens a lot in the pop-music industry. Performers like that often have large stages with lavish productions, perhaps to make up for the fact that there's not much else but the performance itself.
SW speaks of musical integrity, and I'm inclined to agree. While the music might sound good to some, the problem isn't the music or the performers themselves, but rather the problem is how it is brought together. Few pop artists write their own music alone, or at all, and then they're given all the praise for it because they performed it. It's a musical deception. I know there are people out there who make a living off of writing for other people, but to me, it just feels wrong. I feel like these artists' albums should all have every writer's and musician's names on the cover, and NOT just the performer's name. And it's so backwards that, in this world, the masses would publicly praise and fund the performers while bands with music by musicians who write for themselves (and not for the public/money/success) aren't well lauded by the world as a whole.
-Marc.
Normally I would agree with this, but wasn't Jem Godfrey himself a pop song ghostwriter before starting Frost*?
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Interesting analogy, but it makes sense. If performance is an art, it is not a MUSICAL art. It's a stage thing. What SW censures is the mockery of musical art, in which a person is praised for their music where in fact, that very music was not written BY the performer, and in some cases, isn't even truly performed BY the performer (i.e. lip-synchers like Ashley Simpson), which happens a lot in the pop-music industry. Performers like that often have large stages with lavish productions, perhaps to make up for the fact that there's not much else but the performance itself.
SW speaks of musical integrity, and I'm inclined to agree. While the music might sound good to some, the problem isn't the music or the performers themselves, but rather the problem is how it is brought together. Few pop artists write their own music alone, or at all, and then they're given all the praise for it because they performed it. It's a musical deception. I know there are people out there who make a living off of writing for other people, but to me, it just feels wrong. I feel like these artists' albums should all have every writer's and musician's names on the cover, and NOT just the performer's name. And it's so backwards that, in this world, the masses would publicly praise and fund the performers while bands with music by musicians who write for themselves (and not for the public/money/success) aren't well lauded by the world as a whole.
-Marc.
Normally I would agree with this, but wasn't Jem Godfrey himself a pop song ghostwriter before starting Frost*?
Yeah, but I'm not implying that there's anything wrong with the WRITERS, just the performers, in the way that SW feels. No one ever really heard of Jem BEFORE Frost*. If I asked you "Do you know who Jem Godfrey is?" before Frost* released Milliontown, would you have known? Would many people have known? Even if you knew Atomic Kitten, would people have known Jem wrote their singles?
I just went to Atomic Kitten's wiki page and did a ctrl-f search of "Jem" and nothing came up. No recognition for his song-writing, only as a credit on the album page which includes the song he wrote for them. It's the idea that someone else gets the praise for another's work. And I know that one might think classical music or opera could be used as an analogy, but it cannot because those things were written with having others perform them, and the composers and writers are given the proper credit. Do you ever hear a pop-star go on stage and say "Here's a song that ________, ________ and ________ wrote for me!" and then sing it? Rarely, if ever....they usually go "Here's our latest hit single!!!"
Bands, whose musicians write and perform their own music, are more likely to give credit where it's due. Many of them will have their frontman introduce a song like "Here's a new song written by our guitarist, ____________", and then play the song.
At least no one since Ashley Simpson has blamed their band for playing the wrong song on live television... :facepalm:
-Marc.
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Plus maddog and yellow tail are both wines and certainly both booze and at the end of the day you drink them for the alcohol.
I'm just dumbfounded. It's almost impossible to read a statement this ignorant, and not have the urge to violate the rules. I would rather just believe that you're being a troll.
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I think it could be. If I find artistic merit in something a performer does just for money...then the art is there, and it must have been produced by an artist.
We should remember that art is as much about intent as it is about perception. If a performer doesn't think he's making art, then it isn't, no matter how art-like it appears.
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I think it could be. If I find artistic merit in something a performer does just for money...then the art is there, and it must have been produced by an artist.
We should remember that art is as much about intent as it is about perception. If a performer doesn't think he's making art, then it isn't, no matter how art-like it appears.
I disagree. I think that if at least one person thinks something is art, then it is art - all intentions aside.
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So wait.
If I wipe my ass, and manage to convince someone (anyone) that it's art....does that piece of crap stained toilet paper become art?
If you say 'yes'...we will just have to agree to disagree....
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There are no hard and fast rules dictating what art is and is not.
But what do I know, I've claimed that Merzbow isn't music so I'm just a big, damn hypocrite. :biggrin:
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There are no hard and fast rules dictating what art is and is not.
But what do I know, I've claimed that Merzbow isn't music so I'm just a big, damn hypocrite. :biggrin:
Art = self expression
That's why I don't consider some (notice, I did say "some" not "all") pop music to be art. It's not self expression. It's just following a formula to make money. "Insert 'tab A' into 'slot B'" is not art.
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Art is not often what the painter/musician/writer puts into it but what the audience gets out of it.
Granted an audience is usually going to get more out of a piece of art that has had more effort put into it than some jackwad slapping a can of Heinz baked beans on a pedestal and saying "There." I think that limiting the definition of art in such a way is rather narrowminded. I'm sure there was a time when abstract paintings weren't considered art.
And who says that self-expression can't be "I want to make gob-loads of money?" :biggrin:
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I... agree with Hayden on this one. All that really matters, in my opinion, is how it is perceived and what the observer takes from it. It really doesn't matter if it was made for money. Furthermore, I don't think that I, nor anyone else here, is really within their right to dismiss other music as being made only for money. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it wasn't made by someone who does.
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You know what? I give up...
I'm going to go dip my balls in a bucket of paint, and walk around randomly squatting on a large piece of butcher paper. I will call it "The Emaab Teabag" and make a million dollars and be considered a genius. Then I can shower contempt on my ignorant fans.
:loser:
::) :angel:
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I... agree with Hayden on this one. All that really matters, in my opinion, is how it is perceived and what the observer takes from it. It really doesn't matter if it was made for money. Furthermore, I don't think that I, nor anyone else here, is really within their right to dismiss other music as being made only for money. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it wasn't made by someone who does.
This. And while the Backstreet Boys are the performers, there are actual musicians and song writers that wrote their hits. They know their craft well, there is a reason they are hired and there is a reason they are catchy and become hits. I don't think it is fair to say any kind of music is not art just because it is commercial.
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I... agree with Hayden on this one. All that really matters, in my opinion, is how it is perceived and what the observer takes from it. It really doesn't matter if it was made for money. Furthermore, I don't think that I, nor anyone else here, is really within their right to dismiss other music as being made only for money. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it wasn't made by someone who does.
This. And while the Backstreet Boys are the performers, there are actual musicians and song writers that wrote their hits. They know their craft well, there is a reason they are hired and there is a reason they are catchy and become hits. I don't think it is fair to say any kind of music is not art just because it is commercial.
But the likelihood of a song from those origins having high artistic value is relatively low.
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You know what? I give up...
I'm going to go dip my balls in a bucket of paint, and walk around randomly squatting on a large piece of butcher paper. I will call it "The Emaab Teabag" and make a million dollars and be considered a genius. Then I can shower contempt on my ignorant fans.
:loser:
::) :angel:
How was this missed?! :rollin
:hefdaddy
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But the likelihood of a song from those origins having high artistic value is relatively low.
Who determines what high artistic value is?
And really, how is dismissing pop music as not art any different than dismissing prog as just 'emotionless, instrumental wankery' ie 'not art?'
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So since this morning, I now own all of Porcupine Tree's Studio albums :metal
Nil Recurring is still in the mail.
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I'm with Seth and H. Unless you lay down some clear definition as to what constitutes art (and even then it's probably not going to be a very robust definition) you're just playing the "I know it when I see it" card, which is bullshit.
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I'm with Seth and H. Unless you lay down some clear definition as to what constitutes art (and even then it's probably not going to be a very robust definition) you're just playing the "I know it when I see it" card, which is bullshit.
It can be, since it lacks a clear definition, but there are cases where it's valid. Some things are art, and some things aren't. It can be difficult to define, but sometimes, you do just know.
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And really, how is dismissing pop music as not art any different than dismissing prog as just 'emotionless, instrumental wankery' ie 'not art?'
This.
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And really, how is dismissing pop music as not art any different than dismissing prog as just 'emotionless, instrumental wankery' ie 'not art?'
This.
That.
Writing pop music is still a craft. There is an artistic value to any kind of music.
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I think it could be. If I find artistic merit in something a performer does just for money...then the art is there, and it must have been produced by an artist.
We should remember that art is as much about intent as it is about perception. If a performer doesn't think he's making art, then it isn't, no matter how art-like it appears.
I disagree. I think that if at least one person thinks something is art, then it is art - all intentions aside.
You run into a whole mess of problems if you go by a purely perception-based definition of art, mainly because most people don't have a clue what art is. In order for something to be art, it has to have been made by an artist for the purpose of being art.
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To promote his new twitter page Steven just posted a previously unreleased song from around the IA/Deadwing era.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/godfearing-demo-2001-03
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That was a pretty cool song there.
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Me likey.
;D
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Cool song, nothing incredibly impressive though.
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Yeah, it's no surprise that it didn't make it too much further but I do like it.
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Not bad, but I see why it didn't make the cut for either IA or Deadwing.
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Not bad, but I see why it didn't make the cut for either IA or Deadwing.
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To promote his new twitter page Steven just posted a previously unreleased song from around the IA/Deadwing era.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/godfearing-demo-2001-03
Only a compressed audio file?!?!?!?! This is unacceptable!!!!
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I'm listening to their first 3 albums now. I've only heard The Sky Moves Sideways once, and haven't heard the other two.
What is the worst PT song?
For DT, it's the usual "You Not Me"
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Worst PT songs?
For me, it's either Always Never or Sleep of No Dreaming. Or anything else from Signify. Yes I went there.
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Wait, you like Jupiter Island better than those? :omg:
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That's tough. Open Car has really annoying verses, but great everything else. Drawing the Line has a really annoying chorus, but great everything else. Feel So Low has some really terrible lyrics and boring verses, but I like the chorus and guitar. There are no PT songs I really dislike, but I guess those are my 3 least favourite.
EDIT: God dammit H those are all fantastic.
EDIT2: God dammit Bizkit that song is catchy as fuck and I love it.
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God dammit LLTWM those are all fantastic!
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Jupiter Island is bad too. All of PT's bad songs are pre-Stupid Dream. But I can't think of anything less that average since Stupid Dream.
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My least favorites from Signify and on (I'll try and exclude the small transition tracks like Stupid Dream and Occam's Razor):
Signify - Light Mass Prayers
Stupid Dream - Slave Called Shiver
Lightbulb Sun - How is Your Life Today?
In Absentia - Heartattack in a Layby
Deadwing - Shallow
Fear of a Blank Planet - Fear of a Blank Planet
The Incident - Circle of Manias
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Nice, flyingbizkit, might as well just list 'em.
Least favorites:
Stupid Dream - Stranger By The Minute, Tinto Brass
Lightbulb Sun - Four Chords That Made A Million, The Rest Will Flow, Where We Would Be
In Absentia - The Creator Has A Mastertape, Strip The Soul
Deadwing - Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, Halo (kinda)
Fear Of A Blank Planet - Sleep Together if I was forced to decide, or maybe Way Out Of Here for the instrumental section...
The Incident - Circle of Manias, Flicker, Black Dahlia
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Interesting choices!
Favorites (every fucking day)
Signify - Dark Matta
Stupid Dream - Stranger by the Minute
Lightbulb Sun - Russia on Ice
In Absentia - Collapse the Light into Earth
Deadwing - Lazarus or Deadwing
Fear of a Blank Planet - My Ashes
The Incident - Remember Me Lover
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Favorites:
Stupid Dream - Any of them could be my favorite (dismissing the two in my previous post)
Lightbulb Sun - Lightbulb Sun, Shesmovedon
In Absentia - Blackest Eyes, Trains, Heartattack in a Layby
Deadwing - Open Car, The Start of Something Beautiful, Glass Arm Shattering
Fear of a Blank Planet - Fear Of A Blank Planet, Anesthetize
The Incident - Great Expectations, Drawing The Line, The Incident, The Yellow Windows From The Evening Train, Octane Twisted
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Stupid Dream - Stranger By The Minute, Piano Lessons, Even Less
Lightbulb Sun - The Rest Will Flow, Feel So Low, Lightbulb Sun
In Absentia - Trains, Collapse the Light Into Earth
Deadwing - Glass Arm Shattering, Mellotron Scratch, Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Fear Of A Blank Planet - Sentimental, Anesthetize, My Ashes
The Incident - I Drive the Hearse, Time Flies
interestingly enough, the first PT album I heard was Deadwing and I always thought it was somewhat lackluster until about a month and a half ago when everything just clicked. it's now my third favorite by them
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Deadwing is my favorite!
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I'll ignore transition/filler tracks here:
Least favourite:
OtSoL: Linton Samuel Dawson
UtD: Title track
The Sky Moves Sideways: Every song is perfect. The Moon Touches Your Shoulder I guess.
Signify: Waiting Phase Two
Stupid Dream: Pure Narcotic
Lightbulb Sun: Feel So Low
In Absentia: Prodigal
Deadwing: Open Car
Fear of a Blank Planet: My Ashes
The Incident: Drawing the Line
Favourite:
OtSoL: The Nostalgia Factory
UtD: Burning Sky
The Sky Moves Sideways: Either TSMS phase or all of Moonloop
Signify: Dark Matter (favourite PT song)
Stupid Dream: Don't Hate Me, A Smart Kid, or Baby Dream in Cellophane
Lightbulb Sun: Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
In Absentia: Lips of Ashes or Gravity Eyelids
Deadwing: Mellotron Scratch
Fear of a Blank Planet: Sleep Together
The Incident: Octane Twisted
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Ignoring transition/segue tracks, haven't listened to first two albums.
--LEAST FAVORITE--
Sky Moves Sideways: Dislocated Day / Moonloop
Signify: Intermediate Jesus
Stupid Dream: Tinto Brass
Lightbulb Sun: Four Chords That Made A Million
In Absentia: Wedding Nails
Deadwing: Halo
FoaBP: Cheating The Polygraph if that counts.
The Incident: Remember Me Lover I guess.
--FAVORITE--
Sky Moves Sideways: The Sky Moves Sideways Phase One
Signify: Dark Matter
Stupid Dream: Don't Hate Me
Lightbulb Sun: Hatesong
In Absentia: Trains
Deadwing: The Start Of Something Beautiful
FoaBP: Sentimental
The Incident: Time Flies
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Favorites:
On the Sunday of Life - The Nostalgia Factory
Up the Downstair - Always Never
The Sky Moves Sideways - The Sky Moves Sideways Part 1 / Stars Die
Signify - Dark Matter
Stupid Dream - Even Less / A Smart Kid
Lightbulb Sun - Hatesong / Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
In Absentia - Trains
Deadwing - Mellotron Scratch
Fear of a Blank Planet - Sleep Together
The Incident - The Incident / I Drive the Hearse
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--FAVORITE--
FoaBP: Sentimental
You and I, we can be friends.
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:D *hugs*
It's really hard to choose a favorite from that album, since all the songs are so consistently good.
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I got Sky Moves Sideways and Stupid Dream (both reissues) this week so now I have all the PT albums except for the debut. Stupid Dream was pretty good upon first listen, but SMS... holy crap - this album is totally amazing (apart from the boring Moonloop)! :o
My favorites from each album ATM:
UTD: Fadeaway
SMS: Sky Moves Sideways (Phase 1 or both phases)
Signify: Sleep of No Dreaming
SD: haven't listened enough yet but Slave Called Shiver stood out
LBS: Hatesong
IA: many songs are great, maybe Gravity Eyelids or Strip the Soul
DW: Arriving Somewhere
FOAB: Anesthetize (my #1 PT song)
Incident: The Blind House
EDIT: forgot Signify
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Well I guess I'll jump on the bandwagon. Favorites from each album:
OTSOL: It Will Rain For a Thousand Years
UTD: Fadeaway
TSMS: Dislocated Day or either phase of The Sky Moves Sideways (yeah, that's like saying my favorite song is 75% of the album, I know)
Signify: probably Idiot Prayer
SD: Stop Swimming
LS: Russia on Ice (or maybe Rest Will Flow)
IA: Oh god, all of it...although Blackest Eyes, Prodigal and Heartattack are frontrunners
Deadwing: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, hands down
FOABP: ALL OF IT...but seriously, Sleep Together
Incident: Drive the Hearse, with Time Flies hot on its heels
That was very difficult.
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I can't do every album as I'm not as familiar with the older stuff as I am with the newer stuff so... favorites.
Stupid Dream: Stranger By The Minute
Lightbulb Sun: Hatesong
In Absentia: .3, Strip The Soul, Sound of Muzak
Deadwing: Deadwing, Shesmovedon
Fear of a Blank Planet: Anesthetize
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None for The Incident?
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OTSOL: Jupiter Island
UTD: Up the Downstair/Burning Sky
TSMS: Dislocated Day/TSMS (both parts)
Signify: Dark Matter/Sleep of No Dreaming
Stupid Dream: Tinto Brass
LBS: Last Chance/Russia on Ice/Feel So Low
In Absentia: Trains/Collapse the Light/Heartattack in a Layby
Deadwing: Arriving Somewhere/Mellotron Scratch/Deadwing
FOABP: All except Sleep Together (still a great song)
The Incident: I Drive the Hearse
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UTD: Synesthesia
TSMS: The Sky moves sideways part 1
Signify: Dark Matter
Stupid Dream: Even less
LBS: Lightbulb sun
In Absentia: The Sound of muzak
Deadwing: Start of something beautiful
FOABP: Anesthetize
The Incident: I'm not sure...
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None for The Incident?
I've only listened to it once.
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None for The Incident?
I've only listened to it once.
This must be rectified without delay.
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None for The Incident?
I've only listened to it once.
This must be rectified without delay.
Let me rectify this statement and say that it should not be rectified. Ever.
You can skip everything except I Drive The Hearse (it must be pouring both outside and in your mind hole).
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The Incident is good, Tio.
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:omg:
Aw shit man, I've been way off track; my opinion was all "Shit sucks, brohan" and I'm all "DOOD EYE NOSE THAT". I appreciate you letting me know!
:angel: It (mostly) sucks. This coming from a man who'd suck off Steven Wilson just to say I did. I wouldn't even want a pat on the head or anything. TI was a boring, uninspired, dull, overly drawn-out experience. Every other album is glorious in its own right but for as many times as I've tried to get into TI, there's just as many times that I've said to myself that it just isn't for me (except for in extremely depressing circumstances in regards to I Drive The Hearse and the 2nd disc, though even then...kinda meh).
Agree to disagree. Or we can power up and do some Kamehamehas.
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It's worse that most of the preceding albums but it's still a frikkin good album.
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:omg:
Aw shit man, I've been way off track; my opinion was all "Shit sucks, brohan" and I'm all "DOOD EYE NOSE THAT". I appreciate you letting me know!
:angel: It (mostly) sucks. This coming from a man who'd suck off Steven Wilson just to say I did. I wouldn't even want a pat on the head or anything. TI was a boring, uninspired, dull, overly drawn-out experience. Every other album is glorious in its own right but for as many times as I've tried to get into TI, there's just as many times that I've said to myself that it just isn't for me (except for in extremely depressing circumstances in regards to I Drive The Hearse and the 2nd disc, though even then...kinda meh).
Agree to disagree. Or we can power up and do some Kamehamehas.
...and start again, with our lives
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KAMEHAMEHA IT IS. UUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHH
AHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHH
...
GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUGH
kamehameha.
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:tup
What is the voice saying at the beginning of The Incident?
I always think he is looking at a huge yard of grass that needs to be cut and he is saying, "Get to mow, this shit"
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I always hear "you get demolished" or something.
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That makes much more sense.
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I always think he is looking at a huge yard of grass that needs to be cut and he is saying, "Get to mow, this shit"
Exactly what I thought at first, but later it became apparent it was "you get demolished". :lol
As for the album, sometimes I can't stand to listen to it, other times I think it's pretty enjoyable. All about my mood I guess.
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"You get(-a) more disheveled."
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This must be rectified without delay.
Let me rectify this statement and say that it should not be rectified. Ever.
So confused. :huh: :lol I liked the stuff not related to "The Incident" (the song) a fair bit better, but I may need to give it more spins to see if that opinion holds.
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"You get(-a) more disheveled."
"It's-a me!"
Ironically enough, I Drive The Hearse is my least favorite part. Feels completely tacked on, like it's not part of the song sequence at all. Second disc is a bunch of meh songs. The rest of The Incident? Fantastic album.
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KAMEHAMEHA IT IS. UUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHH
AHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHH
...
GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUGH
kamehameha.
So...
Is that like, a hawaiian inspired cocktail or something? Well, it is the right time of year for summer beverages.
Anyway, I really like The Incident. I'll often intend to just sit down and listen to a few tracks from disc 1, and find myself listening to the whole thing. Disc two has some great stuff as well.
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(https://www.mytinyphone.com/uploads/users/nightwolve777/320252.gif)
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:tup
What is the voice saying at the beginning of The Incident?
I always think he is looking at a huge yard of grass that needs to be cut and he is saying, "Get to mow, this shit"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4j8Nh3XyAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4j8Nh3XyAo)
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I've always heard it as "(you) get to know the shadow"
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I first heard it as "you get to pull this shit" as some cynical accusation that is characteristic of Steven's lyrics. But "get demolished" makes more sense.
EDIT: That video link is interesting. I guess it isn't either of those things. I can't figure out what the heck he's saying.
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Ironically enough, I Drive The Hearse is my least favorite part. Feels completely tacked on, like it's not part of the song sequence at all. Second disc is a bunch of meh songs. The rest of The Incident? Fantastic album.
Very much agreed, though I like Bonnie the Cat.
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:tup
What is the voice saying at the beginning of The Incident?
I always think he is looking at a huge yard of grass that needs to be cut and he is saying, "Get to mow, this shit"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4j8Nh3XyAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4j8Nh3XyAo)
that makes it pretty obvious that he's saying two slightly different phrases: first, something like "get them all the shovel," then, "get them all with a shovel." the "with a" is rushed so that it fits in the same space of beats, but it's definitely not in the other phrase. regardless, it's still inconclusive :(
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Ah that.
"You get demolished" sounds like a Wilson lyric, but yeah, it does sound like "You get to mow this shit".
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So I got my picture taken by a SW lookalike today at the Canada Day festival. Seriously, the resemblance was uncanny. The only difference was his hair was this dark reddish-brownish colour that was different. But he had the glasses, pretty much the same facial hair, and a very similar face. And the hair aside from the colour was pretty much identical as well.
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Steven Wilson has a lot of look-alikes. I've seen a few.
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Ha. This is the first I've seen. It was pretty uncanny. :lol
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I used to look a bit like him when my hair was about shoulder length, and I got told I sound quite a lot like him at a Steve Hackett gig (Hackett didn't have his glasses on).
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So for the longest time I haven't played my DTS 5.1 of "Deadwing". Yesterday my cousin and I played that and the Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" DTS 5.1 with my new HDMI reciever and was just blow away by both.
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The 5.1 Deadwing mix is so freakin expensive.
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Really? When it was new...I found it in a store for $9.99 and I nabbed it!
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Yeah, I got it when it first came out and it was cheep too.
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From SW's twitter today (posted as one thought, even though it took him three tweets to get it all out :lol):
OK guys, if an SW or PT tour doesn't come to your town it's not because I/we pointedly *chose* not to come, I love to go everywhere....either there's no interest from local promoters, I can't cover the costs of doing the show, of it doesn't work out routing wise. But the next SW band album/tour starting in early 2013 should cover a lot more countries and cities, watch this space...
So, the good news is that he still mentions PT, so those rumors are them being done are likely bogus, but he also mentions there being another solo tour early next year, so that means even longer till we finally get some new PT material. Let the crying commence...;) :biggrin:
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To be honest, I think one of the reasons why PT has been put on hold is because SW doesn't really know where to go next. I don't think The Incident offered that much new to the table. (And by that I'm not saying it's bad, but it's more of a mishmash between everything PT had done to the point, then taking a new direction)
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I don't think that's it; I just think he is having a blast with the band he is working with now and wants to keep that going for as long as the creative juices regarding that are flowing and whatnot. I don't think he wants PT to become an outlet for his jazz or classic prog-inspired writings, especially since Richard Barbieri hates jazz and is more of an atmospheric sound creator than player. And the stuff SW is currently doing is probably the most "showy" stuff he's ever done from a playing standpoint.
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The best guess is probably that it's several reasons. Obviously I think what you said is his main reason, but obviously there will be other minor things as well.
I only hope that it doesn't evolve into what happened with Pendulum, people asking SW all the time about PT while he's enjoying his solo-stuff, and he'll eventually go "this is my main thing now".
To be fair, I think GfD and Insurgentes are both equally awesome (if not better) to PT's best albums. So if he would disband PT and go for the solo-stuff (theoretically) I don't think I would mind that much. Sure, loosing PT would be sad, but I'd still be knowing that he would make awesome music.
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If it were to be the end of PT, I wouldn't be that upset because they made a lot of great music. :tup
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My least favorites from Signify and on (I'll try and exclude the small transition tracks like Stupid Dream and Occam's Razor):
In Absentia - Heartattack in a Layby
I thought I was the only one who thought layby was my least favorite on IA
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I like it, I just don't think it has clicked with me yet.
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To be honest, I think one of the reasons why PT has been put on hold is because SW doesn't really know where to go next. I don't think The Incident offered that much new to the table. (And by that I'm not saying it's bad, but it's more of a mishmash between everything PT had done to the point, then taking a new direction)
I don't think that's it; I just think he is having a blast with the band he is working with now and wants to keep that going for as long as the creative juices regarding that are flowing and whatnot.
It's pretty much a combo of these. In a recent interview he said hes having fun with the SW band, that The Incident wasn't as good as it could have been/as he wanted (but still was proud of it), and he doesn't know where to take the next album/wants to avoid PT sounding like more of the same.
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My least favorites from Signify and on (I'll try and exclude the small transition tracks like Stupid Dream and Occam's Razor):
In Absentia - Heartattack in a Layby
I thought I was the only one who thought layby was my least favorite on IA
I just noticed this and realized Heartattack is probably my favourite on the album. Both insane.
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Just going off of his on stage demeanor, it was clear he was WAY more into his solo tour than he was the last PT tour. It was almost like watching a different person.
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Just going off of his on stage demeanor, it was clear he was WAY more into his solo tour than he was the last PT tour. It was almost like watching a different person.
Yeah, I agree. When I saw PT on the Incident-tour I didn't really notice it that much, but after seeing SW live earlier this year, he was much more "into" it, seeming to have more fun.
In recent interviews SW has talked a lot about bands and artists staying the same over the years, and that it's something he doesn't quite like. It's possible that he's starting to feel the limitations of PT, as awesome as PT is, he will never have the same artistic freedom in PT that he has with his solo-project, and I don't know if that will in any way affect his decision, but it's probably something he has noticed himself after doing his solo-stuff for some years now, and being able to compare it to the work with PT.
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Anyone notice that every PT studio album has a person on it?
Though I don't think The Sky Moves Sideways Does.
Nil Recurring, Recordings, and Futile have people as well.
Speaking of Nil Recurring, What Happens Now? is PT's best song
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In one interview, he says that he likes to have a human element in his artwork, but have their face obstructed.
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So does Opeth except for the first two albums. (Humanoid figures at least)
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Anyone notice that every PT studio album has a person on it?
Though I don't think The Sky Moves Sideways Does.
Nil Recurring, Recordings, and Futile have people as well.
Speaking of Nil Recurring, What Happens Now? is PT's best song
What Happens Now? isn't Buying New Soul, Mellotron Scratch, Trains, Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, Heartattack in a Layby, Collapse the Light Into Earth, Anesthetize, Piano Lessons, Glass Arm Shattering, or Dark Matter. :P
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Besides, "Normal" is the best thing about Nil Recurring. ;)
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I'm pretty sure there's a pic of Steven Wilson either on the back of the TSMS booklet/case or somewhere just within the cover of the digipak when you open it, but he's certainly there somewhere and not buried deep within the booklet.
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(https://oi48.tinypic.com/28tku2t.jpg)
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:rollin
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From SW on twitter earlier tonight:
"There's no concrete plans regarding PT right now, but that doesn't mean anything melodramatic like the band broke up!"
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From SW on twitter earlier tonight:
"There's no concrete plans regarding PT right now, but that doesn't mean anything melodramatic like the band broke up!"
Thanks, Steven, but that's not exactly COMFORTING.
MOAR PT PLZ
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Eh, whatevsthefuckevs. It's clear that the band's situation is getting worse every time Wilson talks about it. Not reassuring in the slightest but I've prepared myself for the band's demise and/or downhill spiral if Wilson continues it due to pressure from fans or some kind of obligation he feels (though I'd like to think he wouldn't do that). Either way, as long as he is making inspiring music and all that hooha, I'm more than happy to continue worshiping the man. PT or not. I still don't think the band will break up but there has been a clear lack of motivation/inspiration/sense of priority for the band in a while. Considering my thoughts on their last record I'm inclined to say let the band rest while they've still got a relatively perfect discography to be proud of instead of drudging on with mediocrity. Not to say they are (save for TI) or that will happen but god damn it if he stays with the band without having that inspiration or true urge to play that kind of music or at least find a happy medium between what Wilson wants and what the rest of the band wants.
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Eh. Blackfield's pretty cool. No-Man definitely has its moments. Bass Communion and Incredible Expanding Mindfuck are interesting enough. Steven's solo work is very good. But as much as I worship the man, Porcupine Tree is far and away the best thing he's ever touched. I would be very disappointed if the band broke up or if they took a long hiatus. I don't think they're capable of creating mediocre music, so any new Porcupine Tree is good Porcupine Tree in my eyes.
PLEASE STEVEN I'M BEGGING YOU!
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I would, admittedly, like to see what the next installment will sound like, but I'm like that with his solo work too. While he's working with solo stuff, then I am very much appeased, but the moment I see anything regarding new PT appear, I'll hit the preorder button so hard that my keyboard will smash (and yes, I'll have had a special key made with "preorder" written on it).
Either way: I don't mind which project he concentrates on, and I'm damn excited for the third solo.
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I think PT will play together again, but it won't be for awhile, and it won't ever be as frequent as it was. :\
Which is kind of sad because PT is my favorite band, but I know that whatever SW puts out it will be amazing and I will love it, so whatever.
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In this interview (https://rollingstoneindia.com/featured-artist/backstage-with-steven-wilson/) from one month ago he says (the very last sentence): "And I do want to get Porcupine Tree back together at some point."
I'm ok with Steven concentrating on his solo stuff if he doesn't feel inspired enough to start working on a new PT album yet but I hope we'll get at least one more album, since I don't want The Incident to be the end - they deserve a better farewell album.
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I'm really happy that I love his other work as much, because at this point it would hurt me less if PT did in fact break up. But yeah, I would still love a new album, and hopefully it's not too far into the horizon. The only thing as I see it is that we probably won't get a new PT album until 2014 earliest, and that is kinda far away.
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Honestly I wouldn't mind at all if he did a 4th solo album after this one before going back to PT - what do you think the chances of that are?
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The only thing as I see it is that we probably won't get a new PT album until 2014 earliest, and that is kinda far away.
Lots of big prog acts have survived releasing a new album 5 years after their last one and have done alright - Rush, The Flower Kings, and I'm sure there's quite a few more. I think Porcupine Tree will make a triumphant return after their 5 year wait between albums.
Needless to say, at least the members of PT haven't been doing nothing! They've all been seemingly pretty busy, SW the most, and at least the output is pretty good! I think I can stand to wait another year or two for new PT, but only if it means that we get some great stuff in the mean time, and that said PT album will blow my mind.
-Marc.
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Well, he has said in almost every interview that right now it's solo album number 3 and then after he's done with the album + tour process, getting together with PT at some time. If he would go out and say "screw that, solo album nr 4 and then PT in 2016", then I'm not sure how some fans would react. :lol Personally I think his solo albums are among his very best work (GfD might even be my favorite album of his) but if he would make another album before the next PT, I think he would need to tell the fans something else than "PT hasn't broken up", because his actions would say otherwise. :P
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Yeah true, but it doesn't really mean they've broken up - I guess he could say they've gone on hiatus or something. Honestly I don't think he cares what the fans think too much :p Obviously he doesn't want to offend them or anything but I think his solo career is where his heart is atm.
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I read on the PT-forum that SW talked about playing some old PT-songs on the next solo-tour. While it would be cool, it strikes me as kinda odd seeing as he's been very clear about holding his projects separately.
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Maybe they're songs that fit the style of his new solo material, songs the other PT guys don't like or something else?
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Yeah I wouldn't really want that tbh, especially when he has 3 albums full of solo material.
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I think that if he were to play in other countries some that he rarely gets the opportunity to visit with PT, then I say that would be a awesome for the fans. But I don't think its necessary to play PT songs in like the US or UK.
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Dear SW: Moar PT album and tour, NOW.
Thank you.
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Honestly I wouldn't mind at all if he did a 4th solo album after this one before going back to PT - what do you think the chances of that are?
This. But with regards the chances? No idea. He's pretty much dropped Blackfield now, and Storm Corrosion seems like it's been a one off, so it's possible he might do both in a similar period.
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From Marco Minnemann's facebook
Alan Parsons will be engineering the new Steven Wilson production!! We'll be recording in September in Los Angeles.
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Nice!
My updated rankings:
1. Deadwing
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. In Absentia
4. Fear of a Blank Planet
5. Stupid Dream
6. The Incident
7. Signify
8. Up the Downstair
9. The Sky Moves Sideways
10. On the Sunday of Life...
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1. Fear of a Blank Planet
2. Signify
3. Stupid Dream
4. Up the Downstair
5. Deadwing
6. Lightbulb Sun
7. In Absentia
8. The Incident
9. The Sky Moves Sideways
10. On the Sunday of Life
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I was comparing Dream Theater's and Porcupine Tree's discographies, and I have come to the conclusion that PT is much more consistent. I love 9 of PT's 10 albums.
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I agree with you, but since I discovered PT 4-5 years ago I've come to the conclusion that there are bands even more consistent. I know it's subjective, but still. :P
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1. The Sky Moves Sideways (any tracklist without Moonloop improv)
2. In Absentia
3. Fear of a Blank Planet
4. Up the Downstair
5. Stupid Dream
6. Deadwing
7. Signify
8. Lightbulb Sun
9. The Incident
(haven't heard OTSOL)
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1. Fear of a Blank Planet
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. In Absentia
4. Deadwing
5. Signify
6. The Sky Moves Sideways
7. Up the Downstair
8. Stupid Dream
9. The Incident
10. On the Sunday of Life
PT are pretty consistent, but yeah there are more consistent bands.
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I was comparing Dream Theater's and Porcupine Tree's discographies, and I have come to the conclusion that PT is much more consistent. I love 9 of PT's 10 albums.
I agree with you
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Overall, I prefer DT but DT's worst album is much worse than PT's worst album so there is that.
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Hm, DT vs PT. Tough call. At this point, PT's albums are more interesting and eclectic to my ears, but that's because I've heard every DT song hundreds of times. I'd say pre-Octavarium DT albums are on par with post-TSMS PT albums.
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Overall, I prefer DT but DT's worst album is much worse than PT's worst album so there is that.
I disagree. PT has been far more consistent (I call everything from The Sky Moves Sideways through The Incident 4 1/2 or 5 stars), but On the Sunday of Life, despite having some good stuff on there, is easily the worst studio album by either band.
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The only PT album I could give a 5 would be Fear of a Blank Planet. The other albums all have songs I like less. Not bad songs, but still songs that aren't as good as the best.
And I'd say that WDADU is pretty much equal to OTSOL.
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This is hard...but:
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Deadwing
Scenes from a Memory
Lightbulb Sun
In Absentia
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Fear of a Blank Planet
Falling into Infinity
Awake
Images and Words
Stupid Dream
The Incident
Signify
Train of Thought
When Dream and Day Unite
The Sky Moves Sideways
Up the Downstair
Octavarium
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Systematic Chaos
On the Sunday of Life...
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Awake
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Signify
Lightbulb Sun
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Six Degrees
Deadwing
Images and Words
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Up The Downstair
A Dramatic Turn Of Events
Octavarium
Fear Of A Blank Planet
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Scenes From A Memory
In Absentia
Falling Into Infinity
Stupid Dream
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Systematic Chaos
Train Of Thought
When Day And Dream Unite
The Sky Moves Sideways
On The Sunday Of Life
The Incident
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Black Clouds And Silver Linings
That's probably how I'd rank them.
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Stupid Dream
Fear Of A Blank Planet
Scenes From A Memory
Falling Into Infinity
Deadwing
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
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The Incident
In Absentia
Train Of Thought
Images And Words
Lightbulb Sun
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Octavarium
A Dramatic Turn Of Events
Systematic Chaos
Awake
Signify
Black Clouds And Silver Linings
Up The Downstair
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On The Sunday Of Life
The Sky Moves Sideways
When Dream And Day Unite
So pretty even throughout.
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I'm going to do this all in one color because the other posts make my eyes bleed.
Lightbulb Sun
Images and Words
In Absentia
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Scenes From a Memory
Stupid Dream
Fear of a Blank Planet
Octavarium
Signify
The Incident
Deadwing
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Awake
Up the Downstair
Falling Into Infinity
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
On the Sunday of Life
WDADU
Train of Thought
SC
So DT/PT have some great highs, but in the middle of the pack, PT shines with fantastic albums, while everything from BC&SL-SC is either mediocre or bad...and its filled almost entirely with DT. So yeah, PT's more consistently good, but DT has some amazing highs as well.
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Cool rankings idea. I grouped them into little tiers.
Images and Words
Fear of a Blank Planet
Lightbulb Sun
In Absentia
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Deadwing
Awake
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Signify
Scenes from a Memory
The Sky Moves Sideways
Up the Downstair
Stupid Dream
Train of Thought
When Day and Dream Unite
Falling into Infinity
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Octavarium
The Incident
On the Sunday of Life
Systematic Chaos
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I'm going to do this all in one color because the other posts make my eyes bleed.
really, only the yellow is difficult to decipher.
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I'm going to do this all in one color because the other posts make my eyes bleed.
Lightbulb Sun
Images and Words
In Absentia
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Scenes From a Memory
Stupid Dream
Fear of a Blank Planet
Octavarium
Signify
The Incident
Deadwing
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Awake
Up the Downstair
Falling Into Infinity
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
On the Sunday of Life
WDADU
Train of Thought
SC
So DT/PT have some great highs, but in the middle of the pack, PT shines with fantastic albums, while everything from BC&SL-SC is either mediocre or bad...and its filled almost entirely with DT. So yeah, PT's more consistently good, but DT has some amazing highs as well.
Maybe this is just me, but I have no idea how anyone can put On the Sunday of Life anywhere else but the bottom and be somewhat serious about it. :lol
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...especially when Train Of Thought is below it. :tdwn
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I will never understand the love Train of Thought gets.
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... I actually really like On The Sunday Of Life. It's hillarious.
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Something like this:
5/5
Fear of a Blank Planet
4.5/5
Signify
Stupid Dream
Up the Downstair
4/5
Deadwing
Awake
Lightbulb Sun
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Scenes From a Memory
The Incident
In Absentia
3.5/5
Images & Words
The Sky Moves Sideways
Train of Thought
A Dramatic Turn of Events
3/5
Falling Into Infinity
Black Clouds & Silver Linings
2.5/5
On the Sunday of Life
Octavarium
Systematic Chaos
2/5
When Dream and Day Unite
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Scenes from a memory
Images and words
Awake
A Dramatic turn of events
Deadwing
Fear of a blank planet
Six degrees of inner turbulence
Systematic chaos
Black clouds and silver linings
In absentia
Lightbulb sun
Stupid dream
Train of thought
Octavarium
When dream and day unite
The Incident
Up the downstair
Falling into infinity
Signify
The Sky moves sideways
I love Porcupine tree, but Dream Theater is Dream Theater. Nuff said.
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I'm going to do this all in one color because the other posts make my eyes bleed.
Lightbulb Sun
Images and Words
In Absentia
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Scenes From a Memory
Stupid Dream
Fear of a Blank Planet
Octavarium
Signify
The Incident
Deadwing
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Awake
Up the Downstair
Falling Into Infinity
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
On the Sunday of Life
WDADU
Train of Thought
SC
So DT/PT have some great highs, but in the middle of the pack, PT shines with fantastic albums, while everything from BC&SL-SC is either mediocre or bad...and its filled almost entirely with DT. So yeah, PT's more consistently good, but DT has some amazing highs as well.
Maybe this is just me, but I have no idea how anyone can put On the Sunday of Life anywhere else but the bottom and be somewhat serious about it. :lol
I agree.
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I'd rather listen to Nine Cats than pretty much anything off of SC, WDADU has unlistenable production (but some good songs) and a bad singer, and TOT just has Vacant and ITNOG. OTSOL may be a little long, but it never really offends me the way the other three do.
I'm going to do this all in one color because the other posts make my eyes bleed.
really, only the yellow is difficult to decipher.
I use the blue ADTOE theme, so people using purple/red, blue/red, and yellow/green weren't helping me out. :lol
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I'm going to do this all in one color because the other posts make my eyes bleed.
Lightbulb Sun
Images and Words
In Absentia
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Scenes From a Memory
Stupid Dream
Fear of a Blank Planet
Octavarium
Signify
The Incident
Deadwing
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Awake
Up the Downstair
Falling Into Infinity
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
On the Sunday of Life
WDADU
Train of Thought
SC
So DT/PT have some great highs, but in the middle of the pack, PT shines with fantastic albums, while everything from BC&SL-SC is either mediocre or bad...and its filled almost entirely with DT. So yeah, PT's more consistently good, but DT has some amazing highs as well.
Maybe this is just me, but I have no idea how anyone can put On the Sunday of Life anywhere else but the bottom and be somewhat serious about it. :lol
Why is this so baffling to some people? How is the album fundamentally any different from any other album? Because it was created with the mindset of 'screwing around'? Well, any reason doesn't matter I suppose because if someone can garner enjoyment out of it, that's all it takes. I'm one of the very few (if only) person here that (srsly srs bznss) puts OTSOL above many other albums (I'm not sure why we're rating PT and DT albums together but what the fuck) with the thought that I actually enjoy said album more than say, The Incident (and most DT albums, certainly, if not all of them at this point; I don't know, I haven't listened to DT in years it seems) and be completely srslysrs about it. Either way, you don't need to understand why, and I'm not sure why the subject of people liking the album comes up time and again; as if the people that like it (and like it more than another album that is considered OMGsmilePRODUCTIONLYRICSOFCOOLARTWORKOFAWESOMETHOUGHTSOFDEEPSHIT) are trolling. It's kind of preposterous. Just like the album. So it fits! Yay!
Christ. No rating here cause every DT album will be under every PT album except TI, which I&W would be above, and that's all I've got. So fucking poppycock.
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There's a frenetic, whimsical energy to OTSoL that I can really appreciate. Granted, most of the album is pretty much rubbish (which is why it's so low in my ranking), but it doesn't bore me like The Incident nor does it offend my sensibilities like BC&SL.
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Agreed with OTSOL. I think it's interesting (and enjoyable) to listen to on occasion, unlike WDADU.
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What can I say? Charlie Dominici is just a boringly harsh vocalist.
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https://starsdie.com/wp/porcupine-tree-octane-twisted-2cddvd-to-be-released-november-5th/
New PT CD/DVD live. Obviously we all knew about this, but getting a release date and a name is awesome. :caffeine:
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Wait, I thought the RAH show was being released?
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It was being discussed about both the RAH show and one from the Incident-tour, looks like we'll be getting the latter.
Perhaps they're saving the RAH show for a future release (like the 25 year anniversary or something) or it wasn't good enough recording-wise.
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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
I mean, I'm sure this will be awesome, however the Radio City set was just fucking incredible and I was hoping to have a DVD of that set.
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They have said from the start that the RCMH show would not be recorded and released for video release, as they wanted it to be a snapshot in time for only the band and fans who went; this is not new news. It was rumored that a CD of that show might be a part of this package deal with the Chicago DVD, but that was never set in stone.
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I knew that RCMH wasn't happening, had no hopes of that, but RAH was a possibility and had the same set + Trains and so that's what I was hoping for.
At least I have a spectacular bootleg DVD of the RCMH show, it was sooo fucking good. Honestly, for the thousands of bootlegs I have, it's one of the few that has actually gotten regular play in the last year or two.
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The Radio City show was amazing. Unfortunetly I was still a relatively new fan so I didn't know some of the earlier material (I didn't have Stupid Dream and I had just gotten The sky Moves Sideways). I was hoping that some of it would be released but I'm sure the new DVD will be great. I'll have to look into the Radio City bootleg though. I've heard of it but I never got it.
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FUCK YES
I love The Incident.
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I knew that RCMH wasn't happening, had no hopes of that, but RAH was a possibility and had the same set + Trains and so that's what I was hoping for.
At least I have a spectacular bootleg DVD of the RCMH show, it was sooo fucking good. Honestly, for the thousands of bootlegs I have, it's one of the few that has actually gotten regular play in the last year or two.
RAH wasn't filmed as well. The audio was recorded though.
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Watching Arriving Somewhere again. What a fantastic performance, marred by too many video effects. I'm glad Lasse learned from that mistake.
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I actually talked to one of the guys about that, I think it was Colin, and he basically said that they thought the video quality wasn't that great and that's why there was basically a lot of effects on it.
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True. It does seem a little grainy. Though, the shitty video effects make the normal picture look better, so mission accomplished I suppose. :p
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LOVE the effects on AS...It's one of the things (along with a superior setlist) that make it so much more interesting (and better) than Anesthetize.
It gave it more of a "concert film" quality...like something you'd see in a theater. I would put it on par with The Song Remains the Same and Rattle and Hum...in great part due to the breathtaking effects.
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I'd say Anesthetize has a much better setlist than Arriving Somewhere. There's nothing wrong with the latter, but Anesthetize has Fear in it's entirety, Dark Matter, Sever and Sleep of No Dreaming from Signify, HALF-LIGHT, DROWN WITH ME, and the Nil Recurring songs.
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I'd say Anesthetize has a much better setlist than Arriving Somewhere. There's nothing wrong with the latter, but Anesthetize has Fear in it's entirety, Dark Matter, Sever and Sleep of No Dreaming from Signify, HALF-LIGHT, DROWN WITH ME, and the Nil Recurring songs.
Yeah agreed. Though besides the FOABP and Signify songs it could be improved IMO.
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I'd say Anesthetize has a much better setlist than Arriving Somewhere. There's nothing wrong with the latter, but Anesthetize has Fear in it's entirety, Dark Matter, Sever and Sleep of No Dreaming from Signify, HALF-LIGHT, DROWN WITH ME, and the Nil Recurring songs.
Yeah agreed. Though besides the FOABP and Signify songs it could be improved IMO.
It's hard for me to say. Those I mentioned are awesome and I couldn't think about switching them. But I would be willing to swap Prodigal, Wedding Nails, Strip the Soul/.3 and Halo for A Smart Kid, Gravity Eyelids, Trains and Deadwing. Or something.
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Yeah those songs could all be replaced.
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I've had Anesthetize for months now and I still haven't watched it all the way through. As a matter of fact, there are songs on it that I haven't even heard. But I've seen most of it and I love it, so I'm looking forward to the new one as well.
Speaking of Anesthetize, I'm always stunned at how many teenage kids are in the crowd and how strong they resonate with the lyrics. Seems like Steven really hit the nail on the head with the lyrics on Fear of a blank planet, they apparently work as a soundtrack to these kids' lives for the most part.
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The FOABP songs are much better in a live setting....but combining them with the Nil Recurring songs in the same set gave the whole concert a bit of a repetitive feel. And I never really cared for the Nil Recurring songs very much, although WHN is excellent. It was awesome to have Sever.
The Anesthetize setlist is very good...but the AS setlist is darn near perfect. SCF, M&CD, HAiaL, ASBNH, TSoM, Hatesong, DHM, BNS, TSOSB....not to mention the definitive live version of Trains. Such a great moment when SW breaks a string and has a little laugh with the crowd....and his response to the "FREEBIRD" at the beginning. It was just an amazing show.
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Yeah I wouldn't call it the "definitive" live-version of Trains, while the fact that the strings breaks is charming, the song kinda looses momentum because of it. There are versions where the song is allowed to flow and be performed from start to finish without interruptions, and I think those are better.
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The Anesthetize setlist is very good...but the AS setlist is darn near perfect.
This. Totally, this.
Plus, even though I like all of those songs, the Anesthetize set kind of runs out of gas by not having any of their totally awesome songs in the latter 1/3 of the set.
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Anesthetize and Coma Divine are almost tied as my favorite live release by PT. I think the first has a better setlist, but the second has a bit more of a live-feel (despite having some vocals re-recorded) and some of the songs sound differently live, something I wish they would do more.
Arriving Somewhere has a pretty good setlist. The only two negative things I could say would be that a few more older songs would be cool, doesn't have to be from the very first albums, but another one or two from Stupid Dream/LBS, and possibly that the album doesn't feel that LIVE. Apart from Open Car being slightly altered, most of the songs are played just like on the album, and if it hadn't been for the audience or other minor details it might as well have been the studio version.
The AS-version of Hatesong owns though.
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Watching Arriving Somewhere again. What a fantastic performance, marred by too many video effects. I'm glad Lasse learned from that mistake.
To me Arriving Somewhere is the Live Scenes from PT's catalog, however Arriving Somewhere at least isn't as cheesy.
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DROWN WITH ME
DWM is one of my favorite PT songs but I was kinda let down by the live version. They can't really do those multi-layer harmonies.
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DROWN WITH ME
DWM is one of my favorite PT songs but I was kinda let down by the live version. They can't really do those multi-layer harmonies.
Agreed. The live version isn't bad by any means, but just doesn't kick total ass like the studio version does.
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Kinda understandable since Drown With Me has like 15 layers of vocals.
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Just bought the Anesthetize Blu Ray, hopefully I'll be able to watch it tonight or tomorrow.
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The AS-version of Hatesong owns though.
We are in *COMPLETE* agreement on this point... It might be no big deal to a drummer, but when I saw Gavin lick his thumb to get that sound effect, I was all like :hefdaddy . I had never seen that done before, so to me it was really like...OMG GAVIN RULZ!!! :metal
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I used to say I just flat out disliked everything about Porcupine Tree, so as a result, I don't really participate in PT discussions since I have nothing constructive to add. However, as I was listening ot some tunes on the computer this morning, I had an accidental revelation. I was listening to some Floyd, and after the Floyd album I was listening to finished up, it went into In Absentia (why I haven't deleted that is a mystery, since I never listen to it). My amazing discovery is that actually, the first 52 seconds of Blackest Eyes is pretty cool. Of course, soon after that, I experienced the all-too-familiar feeling of being bored to tears. But at least I can say I like 52 seconds of PT.
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Honestly, if the rest their discography (or even a significant portion of it) sounded like that, I would definitely change my stance.
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Porcupine Tree can seem that way (boring, uneventful, derivative, etc), so I'm glad I got into them when I did. These days, I rarely ever give new bands I don't immediately like the same prolonged period of patience (while trying to figure out what the buzz is all about) that I gave PT.
PT don't really play much music in that heavy Tool-sounding style that opens In Absentia, Bosk. Previously to IA, they don't play it at all. Since IA, they've started adding those heavier "metal" elements here and there, but those still only amount to a small fraction of the overall PT sound. Your best bet is probably Deadwing or Fear of a Blank Planet but I'm not sure those would change your mind.
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Porcupine Tree can seem that way (boring, uneventful, derivative, etc), so I'm glad I got into them when I did. These days, I rarely ever give new bands I don't immediately like the same prolonged period of patience (while trying to figure out what the buzz is all about) that I gave PT.
PT don't really play much music in that heavy Tool-sounding style that opens In Absentia, Bosk. Previously to IA, they don't play it at all. Since IA, they've started adding those heavier "metal" elements here and there, but those still only amount to a small fraction of the overall PT sound. Your best bet is probably Deadwing or Fear of a Blank Planet but I'm not sure those would change your mind.
They wouldn't. I've heard them.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that it's thoughtful, well constructed music. I just don't like it. And sometimes, I almost feel like I'm an anomaly among DT fans, since I pretty much uniformly dislike PT, Opeth, Devin Townsend, and POS.
But, anyway, I don't mean to derail the discussion. Just more or less wanted to post that I liked that section of Darkest Eyes.
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BLACKEST Eyes... :angry:
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BLACKEST Eyes... :angry:
Bosk got it right in the previous post...whoops :facepalm:
-Marc.
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Porcupine Tree can seem that way (boring, uneventful, derivative, etc), so I'm glad I got into them when I did. These days, I rarely ever give new bands I don't immediately like the same prolonged period of patience (while trying to figure out what the buzz is all about) that I gave PT.
PT don't really play much music in that heavy Tool-sounding style that opens In Absentia, Bosk. Previously to IA, they don't play it at all. Since IA, they've started adding those heavier "metal" elements here and there, but those still only amount to a small fraction of the overall PT sound. Your best bet is probably Deadwing or Fear of a Blank Planet but I'm not sure those would change your mind.
They wouldn't. I've heard them.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that it's thoughtful, well constructed music. I just don't like it. And sometimes, I almost feel like I'm an anomaly among DT fans, since I pretty much uniformly dislike PT, Opeth, Devin Townsend, and POS.
But, anyway, I don't mean to derail the discussion. Just more or less wanted to post that I liked that section of Darkest Eyes.
Is it the music itself, or is it the lyrical content?
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Mostly the music. I haven't really gotten past that far enough to pay attention to the lyrical content, other than maybe with POS.
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Actually I'm kind of surprised by that. I could easily see how the lyrics could be a turn-off (depressing, uninspiring, cynical, anti-religion/christianity, etc.) but for me it's hard to see how the music is bad. Oh well, to each his own.
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Bosk, if you like the riffier style, you should try out Strip the Soul, Wedding Nails, The Creator Has a Mastertape, Open Car, and Shallow. You might enjoy them a bit more.
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Bosk, if you like the riffier style, you should try out Strip the Soul, Wedding Nails, The Creator Has a Mastertape, Open Car, and Shallow. You might enjoy them a bit more.
Perhaps, but unless they are instrumentals that do not transition into the spacey, atmospheric style, I will likely be turned off by the vocals and/or the atmospheric stuff. But don't worry--I have plenty of music that I DO enjoy. :)
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Actually I'm kind of surprised by that. I could easily see how the lyrics could be a turn-off (depressing, uninspiring, cynical, anti-religion/christianity, etc.) but for me it's hard to see how the music is bad. Oh well, to each his own.
While that's true, I don't think you can separate the music from the lyrics. Dream Theater have a good number of songs that deal with depression and other negative emotions (like "War Inside My Head" and "Honor Thy Father") but they also have a number of uplifting songs. Sometimes, their songs take you through a range of emotions, like how "The Glass Prison" begins with the lyrics expressing hopelessness but concludes by giving the listener a sense of a fresh-start; or how "Learning to Live" takes the listener on a journey from self-doubt to renewed confidence and comfort with the world. With those bands you mentioned (the ones Bosk doesn't like), that almost never happens.
For example, compare "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" with Fear of a Blank Planet. Both are about the sort-of "first world problems" people go through in modern society. While I like both, FoaBP is pretty negative and cynical from beginning to end. There's never really a moment of respite from all the negativity; just varying degrees of "life sucks". With SDOIT, there's also a lot of that, but there's an equal amount of, "you know, we all have to deal with these kinds of problems, but sometimes it isn't so bad and most of us have people who love us helping us along the way". I think that is ultimately why I like DT better than PT or Opeth or Pain of Salvation. DT, from the beginning, have always been about taking the listener on a journey through a range of emotions. Those other bands get way too mired in melancholia sometimes. If Dream Theater are the Charles Dickens of the progressive world than Opeth and PT are like Franz Kafka and Fyodor Dostoyevsky; good, but you can't read shit like that all the time.
/literature snob
EDIT: Also, I'm thinking Bosk should do a song roulette.
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Yeah, there is no point in trying to make yourself like something. Not all of us have to love PT, peeps! ;)
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I opened up a mix CD for a friend with Blackest Eyes and he almost shut it off because of the first 52 seconds. It was too heavy for his 60 year old tastes :lol
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I was listening to OTSOL the other day, and I actually really liked it! It's original and very interesting. It's not even music, for the most part. Just weird arrangements of sounds. Much better, I think, than some of their other early albums - The Sky Moves Sideways, for example, which comes across as a wannabe album that isn't really true to PT's identity (or SW's identity as it was by that point).
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:tup :tup Beautiful insanity!
Now watch in wonder as people attempt to wrap their minds around that statement and understand how it is that you could possibly like such an odd, unrecognizable album better than anything other than a steaming pile of shit (that sings. whOOOOa). It's cute. It's like, "Aw! Try and give less of a shit."
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Personally, I agree that OTSOL is really good. I do like it about the same amount as I like TSMS (because I really like both) but no, I think OTSOL is brilliant. It feels a lot shorter than it actually is.
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I watched Anesthetize yesterday and I have to say it's a pretty cool guy. Video quality is stunning and I think all performances are pretty amazing. The only negative point (that also applies to Arriving Somewhere) is that I hate how they turn all guitar solos into improvised dissonant noises, I'd prefer if both Wilson and Wesley stayed closer to the originals.
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I really don't like what they did with Dark Matter live. Some of it is cool, but the part after the chorus where it's keyboard-heavy on the album are guitar-heavy on the live version, and it just doesn't sound as good.
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:tup :tup Beautiful insanity!
Now watch in wonder as people attempt to wrap their minds around that statement and understand how it is that you could possibly like such an odd, unrecognizable album better than anything other than a steaming pile of shit (that sings. whOOOOa). It's cute. It's like, "Aw! Try and give less of a shit."
I mean, OTSOL is garbage. But it's Steven Wilson's garbage, and that makes it special.
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:tup :tup Beautiful insanity!
Now watch in wonder as people attempt to wrap their minds around that statement and understand how it is that you could possibly like such an odd, unrecognizable album better than anything other than a steaming pile of shit (that sings. whOOOOa). It's cute. It's like, "Aw! Try and give less of a shit."
I mean, OTSOL is garbage. But it's Steven Wilson's garbage, and that makes it special.
What's that make TI?
...Garbage's diarrhea?
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:tup :tup Beautiful insanity!
Now watch in wonder as people attempt to wrap their minds around that statement and understand how it is that you could possibly like such an odd, unrecognizable album better than anything other than a steaming pile of shit (that sings. whOOOOa). It's cute. It's like, "Aw! Try and give less of a shit."
I mean, OTSOL is garbage. But it's Steven Wilson's garbage, and that makes it special.
Half of OTSOL is garbage, but at least it's interesting garbage. :biggrin:
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Bosk, if you like the riffier style, you should try out Strip the Soul, Wedding Nails, The Creator Has a Mastertape, Open Car, and Shallow. You might enjoy them a bit more.
Perhaps, but unless they are instrumentals that do not transition into the spacey, atmospheric style, I will likely be turned off by the vocals and/or the atmospheric stuff. But don't worry--I have plenty of music that I DO enjoy. :)
Well, yeah, if you don't like the atmospheric stuff, you probably won't get very far. Wedding Nails is instrumental, though it does have a fairly extensive noodly section.
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I think PT has a core sound which is the melodramatic, moody, spacey sound that people either like or dislike. There's variety that's built around that, but PT almost always keeps that foundation.
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Do I risk getting hanged by people if I say that Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape is probably my favourite PT song? ::)
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Do I risk getting hanged by people if I say that Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape is probably my favourite PT song? ::)
Only if those people are under the impression that their own opinions are facts. :P
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Do I risk getting hanged by people if I say that Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape is probably my favourite PT song? ::)
Only if those people are under the impression that their own opinions are facts. :P
Which, let's be honest, *rarely* happens on the Internet
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Why do people shit all over The Incident? After going through their albums again, it's probably my 3rd favorite, behind Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun.
It's so dark, and moody. I love it.. and it has some of their best songs on it. :heart
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Why do people shit all over The Incident? After going through their albums again, it's probably my 3rd favorite, behind Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun.
It's so dark, and moody. I love it.. and it has some of their best songs on it. :heart
I never really got it. It's probably me, though... I'm more a supporter of the old PT way...
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I don't really care much for The Incident either. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great album from start to listen, but few of the songs stand out as being better than just great.
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Do I risk getting hanged by people if I say that Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape is probably my favourite PT song? ::)
Not at all. It's a damn good song. :tup :tup
I don't really care much for The Incident either. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great album from start to listen, but few of the songs stand out as being better than just great.
The two things I bolded completely contradict each other.
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Do I risk getting hanged by people if I say that Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape is probably my favourite PT song? ::)
which version? that's a favourite of the early PT days for me too, along with "No Reason to Live, No Reason to Die," "Rainy Taxi," "And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun" and "Cloud Zero." pretty much all of the Staircase Infinities EP is brilliant!
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I don't really care much for The Incident either. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great album from start to listen, but few of the songs stand out as being better than just great.
The two things I bolded completely contradict each other.
How? It's completely possible to believe something is great without really caring for it.
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I don't really care much for The Incident either. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great album from start to listen, but few of the songs stand out as being better than just great.
The two things I bolded completely contradict each other.
How? It's completely possible to believe something is great without really caring for it.
Yeah this pretty much. Back when The Incident came out I didn't really know much music, I had a core of ~10 bands perhaps that I listened to, and it was quite easy to listen to The Incident a lot. But now when that core of bands has expanded to over 100, I just don't care enough for an album I would rank 3.5 out of 5 (or something) when I can listen to something I enjoy more.
So in conclusion, I don't think it's a bad album, and I wouldn't turn it off if someone played it for me, but on the other hand it's certainly not an album I would just put on, not even in PT's discography.
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I don't really care much for The Incident either. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great album from start to listen, but few of the songs stand out as being better than just great.
The two things I bolded completely contradict each other.
How? It's completely possible to believe something is great without really caring for it.
Yeah this pretty much. Back when The Incident came out I didn't really know much music, I had a core of ~10 bands perhaps that I listened to, and it was quite easy to listen to The Incident a lot. But now when that core of bands has expanded to over 100, I just don't care enough for an album I would rank 3.5 out of 5 (or something) when I can listen to something I enjoy more.
So in conclusion, I don't think it's a bad album, and I wouldn't turn it off if someone played it for me, but on the other hand it's certainly not an album I would just put on, not even in PT's discography.
Maybe not, although I play it often enough. Holds sentimental value for me, I guess.
Anyway, I originally came here to post that Stupid Dream is awesome, but you all probably knew that. I burned it to CD this morning after years of tossing it around on my iPod, so now I can listen to it in the car. :metal
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You listen to CD and mp3s? ROFL
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You listen to CD and mp3s? ROFL
What's "rofl" about that? Most people listen to mp3, and CD is still the most available physical format. Or are you one of those "anything that isn't flac or vinyl sucks"-kind of people? :P
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CDs are the destruction of art, dude. Don't you own the Steven Wilson manual?
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Steven Wilson has actually said himself that he owns loads of CD's. :biggrin:
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LISTENING TO MP3S IS LIKE LOOKING AT A PHOTOGRAPH OF A PAINTING HURR DURR
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Not sure if something is art? Follow this easy-to-use logic tree, courtesy of Steven Wilson!
1. Is it an mp3?
yes -> then it's not art
no -> proceed to step 2
2. Is it a CD?
yes -> proceed to step 3
no -> proceed to step 4
3. Is it enclosed in a digibook?
yes -> then it's not art
no -> proceed to step 4
4. Has it gone platinum?
yes -> proceed to step 5
no -> proceed to step 6
5. Is it by Pink Floyd??
yes -> Then it's art!
no -> Sorry, not art.
6. Is it one of the following genres: hip hop, R&B, modern pop, techno, prog (excluding Porcupine Tree and Pink Floyd)?
yes -> Sorry, not art.
no -> Then it's art!
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Just found out that Gavin Harrison is doing a drum clinic here in Halifax in a couple weeks! For once, Halifax actually gets something interesting music related.
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Stop Swimming :heart
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6. Is it one of the following genres: hip hop, R&B, modern pop, techno, prog (excluding Porcupine Tree and Pink Floyd)?
yes -> Sorry, not art.
no -> Then it's art!
How do you figure? He's routinely cited earlier prog bands as influences (and fucking demolished Akerfeldt in that prog quiz on youtube), as well as liking various hip hop and such (i.e. Fear of a Black Planet) - I mean, Dalek even did a remix of Get All You Deserve for the NSRGNTS RMXS disc.
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6. Is it one of the following genres: hip hop, R&B, modern pop, techno, prog (excluding Porcupine Tree and Pink Floyd)?
yes -> Sorry, not art.
no -> Then it's art!
How do you figure?
By not thinking things through when it doesn't matter.
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Just got back from the clinic Gavin held here in Halifax. Needless to say, it was amazing! Informative and extremely entertaining. The guy is ridiculously charming in person.
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https://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/product/272/4174/ <--preorder for the new live-album.
So the speculation was at least true to a certain point, 3 of the songs on it will be from the Royal Albert Hall concert. Honestly, I'm not sure what to think. I'd love one of the special gigs as a live album, but I don't like the idea of having a live album with songs mixed from different concerts. It gives it a less cohesive feel since it was recorded over several nights. (I know in some cases they do like 2 nights in a row and pick the best versions, but this isn't the same, this wasn't even on the same tour)
But I'll be buying it never the less.
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The fuck. Let me first say that Arriving Somewhere is my favorite Porcupine Tree song, but there is no reason for that to get on this release when an AMAZING version is already released. There was so many cool old songs brought out that people want to hear what they sound like today and they end it with AS... just no sense in my mind.
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Yeah that's pretty weird. But most PT songs have gotten pretty fair representation so far, so I'm glad the entire Incident album (minus a few of disc 2, I guess) is there.
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Also, it's really disappointing that you can only get the DVD if you purchase the CDs, and more importantly if you buy the version available through K-Scope.
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Also, it's really disappointing that you can only get the DVD if you purchase the CDs, and more importantly if you buy the version available through K-Scope.
Either way, I'm still gonna pre-order it. Looks like BurningShed is going to get $70.40 from me after I get paid on October 3rd - between this set and the pre-orders for the Genesis Revisited sets by Steve Hackett, they're getting a sizable amount of my paycheck...maybe. If anything, I am at least getting this set. It looks pretty good and I am a sucker for Special/Limited Editions, especially of PT/SW-related stuff!
-Marc.
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I think Kscope delivers. I have nothing but good things to say about their Digibooks for example, that's about as beautiful as CD-packaging gets.
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Also, it's really disappointing that you can only get the DVD if you purchase the CDs, and more importantly if you buy the version available through K-Scope.
Maybe those songs are meant to be remembered by memory only.
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I think Kscope delivers. I have nothing but good things to say about their Digibooks for example, that's about as beautiful as CD-packaging gets.
Yeah, I'm always impressed with Kscope's digibooks.
I even like their sper jewel cases too. Very sturdy, very nice.
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Firstly, fuck nearly all Digibooks. Their super jewel cases are fantastic however, and whether I buy from them or from Amazon or elsewhere I always enjoy getting their releases in those cases.
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Yeah, yeah we know you hate digibooks/digipaks. :biggrin:
I have no problem with the heavier, sturdier ones, like the ones PT's back catalogue is issued in. Those are fairly hefty and are hard to damage.
The flimsier ones that RR likes to use? Yeah, I could see those being a problem regarding damage.
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I have the lightbulb sun digibook and the quality is fantastic. It's very sturdy, not flimsy at all.
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Don't get me wrong, their cardboard crap is much better than most of the cardboard crap out there, but at the end of the day it's still horrible compared to jewel cases, especially if you factor in that they could use their awesome super jewel cases.
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I disagree on jewel cases being better than the sturdy digibooks. Jewel cases are very easily broken, and I am not a fan at all of the stabled-together booklet that takes ages to pry out of the cover.
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Jewel cases are very easily broken
And replaced just as easily. I also take care of my stuff and break cases very rarely.
As for the booklet, if you're used to it it takes about .001 seconds.
Edit: And if you're not it takes about 1 second.
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What about the back cover that's engrained into the case?
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The actual artwork? I've never broken a case in a manner in which is damaged the back art.
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Here is a post by BurningShed on their Facebook page about the missing tracks from the RAH show.
"There were some (boring) technical reasons why the whole of the RAH show wasn't included. Hopefully it's not too much of a disappointment..."
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Sturdy digibooks are the closest CD's are going to get in replicating the 'experience' and art of vinyl so yeah, I'm a fan.
I get broken jewel cases in the mail and from stores very regularly. Sure they're easy to replace, but there's a certain cheap 'I don't give a fuck' nature to them as well.
I don't think I've ever broken a digibook or received one broken and I used to treat my CD's like shit.
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Here is a post by BurningShed on their Facebook page about the missing tracks from the RAH show.
"There were some (boring) technical reasons why the whole of the RAH show wasn't included. Hopefully it's not too much of a disappointment..."
Oh yeah, that show was nothing important, no big deal.
>:(
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Tonight I'm watching the Radio City show while clutching a jewel case in both hands.
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Yeah, jewel cases definitely have an IDGAF nature to them.
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Guys, help. I'm watching the RCMH show and I want to touch myself, but I have both my hands full, what do?
(For the purpose of this joke I'm posting via voice command)
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With this live album coming out, I can't help but wonder about the future of PT. We've talked about it before, and while pretty much everyone in the band has said "we'll get back together eventually", everything else seems to contradict it.
For starters, how involved is Steven Wilson in this live album? Normally he holds everything together and does the hard work because he does it so good, and he likes being in charge. He's currently working on his third solo album, and while he might have done some work on the side with the live-album, it feels more like a "its time to release something under the PT-name" more than anything else. To me, the fact that they added 3 songs from the anniversary gig as a bonus at the end just feels sorta like "here you have it", so that IF the band wouldn't release something more, then hey - at least we got this last live album.
Most of us were surprised when SW said that he would do his third solo album, because at that time, most of us expected him to go back and make more PT-music. With SW3 and touring next year, the earliest date we could see a realistic new PT album would be in 2014, and what says that SW won't enjoy this experience so much that he rather wants to do SW4? Even though PT is a bigger name by now, he will never have the freedom that he has with his solo-stuff, and I haven't seen him enjoying making music as much as he is now.. ever. Sure he seemed very excited about The Incident when that came out, but I think this is on a different level.
Personally it wouldn't bother me that much IF PT broke up. They are still among my favorites and I'd love lots of new albums, but I'm really enjoying Steven Wilson's solo stuff as well. Grace For Drowning and Insurgentes are two of the best albums he has done IMO, and if SW3 is as good as they are, it's almost starting to feel like it's too good to "just" be a side-thing. So either way it goes, (PT making new music, or PT splitting and SW doing more solo albums) I'll pretty much be happy with it either way.
Still, the feeling I get from this live-release is that it isn't nearly as "serious" (and by that I don't mean bad) as Anesthetize was for example.
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It's been a long time since these concerts were recorded so unless I hear otherwise, I'm going to assume that Seven has had plenty of time to do whatever he wanted with these recordings. I do agree that this release does feel like they're just releasing something for the hell of it.
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Wasn't Grace for Drowning about how he doesn't care anymore what people think, that he just wants to do what feels right or something like that? That's why I can't see him getting together with PT just because the fans want him to. As for this new release, it could be a sign of them possibly disbanding, but then again it could be PT wanting people to not forget about them, to show that they are still active in a way. But who knows really...
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I think that he was surprised at the reaction from GfD, judging from his interviews etc. after it's releases, and he found that he still had a lot of creative energy to channel into more solo work.
I don't see why this means he'd drop Porcupine Tree.
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After watching just a few of the songs on the new Steven Wilson Blu-Ray/DVD, I can see that people meant when they said he looked more happy and free playing with his solo band than with PT. There was more camaraderie on stage for sure. This doesn't mean I want PT to end - quite the contrary - but I can see why he'd rather keep doing his solo stuff for now. Factor in that he is more free to do anything with his music in that scenario (vs. PT, where he has said he feels he can no longer stray too far from what has become their core sound), and it becomes even more evident.
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Another factor to consider is the question "where would PT go next?". They've shown us before that they can maintain a certain sound but still make fresh and exciting albums, however they have found their "sound". While I personally didn't think that The Incident wasn't among the very best PT albums, it's certainly one of the definite PT albums, because it sums up pretty much everything in their sound, in a good way. How would they go on after an album like that? That leaves us with the question of "can they do it better?" and while they have shown us that in the past, eventually it can reach a point where you would be doing the same thing possibly slightly worse (though still good), and that's really not PT's style since they've always tried to move forward.
So in that sense it's easier for Steven to work with his solo stuff. He can do pretty much whatever he wants when it comes to exploring new genres, but in PT there are certain limits. Not just by what fans are expecting (or in some cases even demanding), but he has said that the other members aren't as open to exploring certain genres. And yeah like I said before, how do you move on from an album like The Incident which was pretty much THE album that displays how the band sounds? :P
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Honestly PT was Steven's avenue to being a presence in the prog rock world, which allows him to do what he's doing today. It would be great to see another PT record. But if I was him, I would keep pressing onward with bigger and better things through his solo record.
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I don't know, if I had to pick one album that really sums up their sound it would be IA.
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bump because i need to know where to go next.
So i have Deadwig, In Absentia, Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun.. what album should i jump to next. Deadwig i think is my favorite album. fallowed by stupid dream then in absentia then lightbulb sun... so i need to figure out what album i would enjoy. Any help?
If Deadwing is your favorite of those I would definitely get Fear of a Blank Planet next.
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Another factor to consider is the question "where would PT go next?". They've shown us before that they can maintain a certain sound but still make fresh and exciting albums, however they have found their "sound". While I personally didn't think that The Incident wasn't among the very best PT albums, it's certainly one of the definite PT albums, because it sums up pretty much everything in their sound, in a good way. How would they go on after an album like that? That leaves us with the question of "can they do it better?" and while they have shown us that in the past, eventually it can reach a point where you would be doing the same thing possibly slightly worse (though still good), and that's really not PT's style since they've always tried to move forward.
You're saying this as if they've not changed their sound at all over their 10 records - their sound has shifted gradually through various phases, and to say that it can't continue to is just not logical - they've done it several times before, why would the current sound have to be the 'final' one?
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I actually did say that they have changed their sound gradually over the years. What I meant regarding The Incident is that it pretty much sums up the best of their different eras on one album, which is why I think it's one of THE PT-albums in terms of sound, because it captures the best parts of how they sounded on various albums, there's parts that sound a bit more like Up the Downstair/Signify, but parts that sound more like Deadwing/Fear of a Blank Planet. So while I don't think it's their best album, it's certainly very representative in terms of sound.
Regarding a new PT album, yeah.. they can make a new one. It's not impossible. As it feels now, everything they've done has been leading up to The Incident, and if we look back at the last 4 albums, the major ingredient has been the metal-aspect that appeared on In Absentia (or Russia on Ice already) and has slowly been built on and perfected up until The Incident. Seeing as the band themselves have said that they're a bit tired of the Metal-aspect, a new album would mean a bigger change then the changes that have been before.
So yeah, PT might make a new album, or not. I think the huge difference is Steven Wilson and his focus, as well as the success of his solo albums. It's just very obvious right now that Steven is enjoying his solo stuff more, because otherwise he wouldn't be doing album number 3 before the next PT-album. If the new solo album goes well and gets good reviews as well, I think it would be hard for SW to put that whole project aside for 1 ½ year to make a new PT-album and tour for it.
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I think Zantera is right on...
The Incident "covered all the bases" so to speak...unfortunately, it wasn't a very "inspired" record. Some of it just felt like "PT-by the numbers"...
Time Flies is a cool song, but didn't really hold up under repeated listens. The title track IMO was the most different thing PT had done in awhile. The rest was just kinda....I liked it, but it didn't WOW me.
It *feels* like the band (or maybe just SW) was bored. And as has been pointed out, I think he's just having more fun doing solo stuff now.
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The Incident "covered all the bases" so to speak...unfortunately, it wasn't a very "inspired" record. Some of it just felt like "PT-by the numbers"...
Agreed.
Steven did say in some recent interview that he wants to get PT together again at some point, but I hope he's not feeling that just out of obligation to the fans, the record label or anyone else. If PT did another album, I think they might expand on the electronic influence heard on songs like Sleep Together and The Incident, but after a 3- or 4-year break they might just come up with something radically different and completely new, since the slate should be clean by that point.
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I think that answering "I want to get PT together at some point" is the easiest thing to do. No matter what his feelings are or what intentions he has, that answer doesn't upset fans, and the "at some point" still leaves it fairly open for himself, it could be in 1 year or in 5 years.
If he were to say like: "My solo stuff is my main project now", shit would be hitting the fan everywhere. :P
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I really like The Incident, except for the second disc. I wish they hadn't released it as a part of the album, it should have just been a bonus disc or a separate EP. This way, it's a part of the album that includes four more songs that have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc. And they aren't too great neither.
Great tracks: Drawing the line, title track and everything on disc one after Time flies
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I really like The Incident, except for the second disc. I wish they hadn't released it as a part of the album, it should have just been a bonus disc or a separate EP. This way, it's a part of the album that includes four more songs that have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc. And they aren't too great neither.
Uhh, that's why it's on a separate disc in the first place.
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Still a dumb idea to include it on the album in the first place.
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I wish every artist ever just wouldn't include songs that I don't like.
What a bunch of jerks.
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Whether or not you like those four songs, they do not fit with the album at all. They are like Nil Recurring to FOABP. But even less related. (yes i c wut i did thar.) I am happy he released those songs, because they are all right, but the means by which he just slapped them on to an already completely album is facepalm worthy.
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Who says those songs don't have something to do with the songs on Disc 1? I know they aren't a part of the "song cycle" per se, but there are various lyrical connections, especially in Bonnie the Cat and Black Dahlia.
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Still a dumb idea to include it on the album in the first place.
Error....Error...
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Whether or not you like those four songs, they do not fit with the album at all. They are like Nil Recurring to FOABP. But even less related. (yes i c wut i did thar.) I am happy he released those songs, because they are all right, but the means by which he just slapped them on to an already completely album is facepalm worthy.
Actually, the tracks on Nil Recurring are more directly connected and related to the tracks on FOABP than the ones on The Incident are between its two discs.
And while The Incident was released as two discs, it could have all easily fit onto ONE CD, so the separation of the main song-cycle was only done to further emphasize it as being a single piece, apart from the other four songs, which doesn't necessarily mean they aren't related to the song-cycle - it's just that they're on a separate disc.
-Marc.
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Whether or not you like those four songs, they do not fit with the album at all. They are like Nil Recurring to FOABP. But even less related. (yes i c wut i did thar.) I am happy he released those songs, because they are all right, but the means by which he just slapped them on to an already completely album is facepalm worthy.
The issue of length aside, how is this any different from something like DT's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? The songs on the first disc don't have anything to do with tracks on the second. Why shouldn't they have been scrapped?
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Whether or not you like those four songs, they do not fit with the album at all. They are like Nil Recurring to FOABP. But even less related. (yes i c wut i did thar.) I am happy he released those songs, because they are all right, but the means by which he just slapped them on to an already completely album is facepalm worthy.
The issue of length aside, how is this any different from something like DT's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? The songs on the first disc don't have anything to do with tracks on the second. Why shouldn't they have been scrapped?
There were six songs. I thought that tied the album together. Plus each disc on its own (especially disc 1) is too short to be an album.
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Is it really? Disc 1 is 54 minutes, Disc 2 is 42 minutes. If you look at I&W it's 57 minutes, so if 6DOIT had only been the first disc for example, it wouldn't have been that much shorter. 42 minutes is kinda short for a Progressive album, but I still think it would have worked. If anything, DT has shown us with several albums that making a 75 minute-album isn't really the key to success, there's often filler-songs that could have been cut.
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Huh. Well, I guess they are long enough to be standalone albums. I still think that the two discs of SDOIT are much more connected than the two discs of The Incident.
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Huh. Well, I guess they are long enough to be standalone albums. I still think that the two discs of SDOIT are much more connected than the two discs of The Incident.
I think, in the case of SDOIT, the album was only one 2 discs because the medium upon which the music was put onto only allowed for a maximum of 75-79 minutes of music per single disc. Had the album been released during the apex of audio cassette technology, you can bet the band would have made the album fit onto one single cassette tape.
And because the title track of SDOIT was always listed as "Track 6", there was never any doubt that the two discs should have been seen as separate, but just a continuation because of the way the medium allowed the music to be listened. If there were CDs that could hold 100 minutes of music, the album would have been a single disc. Some albums, over two discs, are sometimes not meant to be viewed as 2 entities of the album, such as the case with SDOIT, but in the case of The Incident, the separation was done on purpose. So obviously, SDOIT's discs are meant to be a cohesive whole, while with PT's album, it's a bit more blurred.
Sure there might be some lyrical or musical connections, but it doesn't mean they are meant to be part of the album's main song-cycle, but they are still part of the same album, whether or not you like the tracks. In fact, the DVD-A version of The Incident features ALL 18 tracks, run in the same order as the two CDs have them. Heck, with a DVD-A, you could fit all of SDOIT onto one disc - then there wouldn't be these stupid debates about "SDOIT - Disc 1 VS Disc 2".
-Marc.
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Huh. Well, I guess they are long enough to be standalone albums. I still think that the two discs of SDOIT are much more connected than the two discs of The Incident.
I think, in the case of SDOIT, the album was only one 2 discs because the medium upon which the music was put onto only allowed for a maximum of 75-79 minutes of music per single disc. Had the album been released during the apex of audio cassette technology, you can bet the band would have made the album fit onto one single cassette tape.
The total running time of all the tracks on The Incident is 75:56. It does all fit on a single disc if you do it yourself. It was put on separate disc on purpose in order to keep the unrelated ideas completely separate from one another.
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Huh. Well, I guess they are long enough to be standalone albums. I still think that the two discs of SDOIT are much more connected than the two discs of The Incident.
I think, in the case of SDOIT, the album was only one 2 discs because the medium upon which the music was put onto only allowed for a maximum of 75-79 minutes of music per single disc. Had the album been released during the apex of audio cassette technology, you can bet the band would have made the album fit onto one single cassette tape.
The total running time of all the tracks on The Incident is 75:56. It does all fit on a single disc if you do it yourself. It was put on separate disc on purpose in order to keep the unrelated ideas completely separate from one another.
Some albums, over two discs, are sometimes not meant to be viewed as 2 entities of the album, such as the case with SDOIT, but in the case of The Incident, the separation was done on purpose.
And while The Incident was released as two discs, it could have all easily fit onto ONE CD, so the separation of the main song-cycle was only done to further emphasize it as being a single piece, apart from the other four songs, which doesn't necessarily mean they aren't related to the song-cycle - it's just that they're on a separate disc.
Oh I know :tup
-Marc.
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I really like The Incident, except for the second disc. I wish they hadn't released it as a part of the album, it should have just been a bonus disc or a separate EP. This way, it's a part of the album that includes four more songs that have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc. And they aren't too great neither.
Uhh, that's why it's on a separate disc in the first place.
Yeah, but it's labeled as a part of the album rather than a bonus disc. You can't get the edition of the album without the second disc, can you?
If those four songs are connected to the story told on the disc one, than damn, I should have paid attention. ;D
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I really like The Incident, except for the second disc. I wish they hadn't released it as a part of the album, it should have just been a bonus disc or a separate EP. This way, it's a part of the album that includes four more songs that have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc. And they aren't too great neither.
Uhh, that's why it's on a separate disc in the first place.
Yeah, but it's labeled as a part of the album rather than a bonus disc. You can't get the edition of the album without the second disc, can you?
If those four songs are connected to the story told on the disc one, than damn, I should have paid attention. ;D
That's exactly the point I was making. I bolded the part I was talking about.
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I really like The Incident, except for the second disc. I wish they hadn't released it as a part of the album, it should have just been a bonus disc or a separate EP. This way, it's a part of the album that includes four more songs that have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc. And they aren't too great neither.
Uhh, that's why it's on a separate disc in the first place.
Yeah, but it's labeled as a part of the album rather than a bonus disc. You can't get the edition of the album without the second disc, can you?
If those four songs are connected to the story told on the disc one, than damn, I should have paid attention. ;D
That's exactly the point I was making. I bolded the part I was talking about.
I bolded the part I was talking about. I think it's pretty much that the inclusion of these songs to the album makes sense to you for whatever reason, while I thought those songs didn't really have a point being included on the album, as they don't have anything to do with the concept, or at least I failed to see the connection. I don't care that they're on the second disc, they're still part of the album, and NOT a bonus disc - it nowhere says so.
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There's no question that those four Disc 2 songs are part of The Incident album. The issue is whether or not they should have been released like that. I think they should have been released as an EP (even as an EP that comes with the album)because it makes more sense when looking at the concept.
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Deadwing = sex.
Just putting that out there.
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Who says those songs don't have something to do with the songs on Disc 1? I know they aren't a part of the "song cycle" per se, but there are various lyrical connections, especially in Bonnie the Cat and Black Dahlia.
I am quoting myself for emphasis.
Saying the four songs on Disc 2, "have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc," is simply not correct. I think Wilson didn't include them as a part of it because the musical flow wouldn't have worked, but the lyrical connections are more than obvious, IMO.
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This shit again? Meh.
I've been spinning Lightbulb Sun a lot recently (and will be more and more as we ease into the Fall) and it's bringing back some really awesomely depressing, yet somehow comforting memories. Opeth and PT will do that in the Fall. OooOOo Heritage is gonna be spinning soon enough too; that album is so great for Fall/Winter. Okay back on topic: I like hookahs.
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There's no question that those four Disc 2 songs are part of The Incident album. The issue is whether or not they should have been released like that. I think they should have been released as an EP (even as an EP that comes with the album)because it makes more sense when looking at the concept.
This is sort of how Neal Morse released Testimony 2 - there is no single-disc version of the album that is just the Testimony-parts. The album was released as 2-CDs and includes the 3 other tracks on Disc 2. Had there been a single-disc version of the album, one could surmise that "Absolute Beginner", "Supernatural" and "Seeds Of Gold" were meant to be *bonus* tracks, and therefore not part of the album. However, since this was NOT the case, those 3 tracks are part of Testimony 2, just not part of the main narrative on Disc 1.
-Marc.
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Who says those songs don't have something to do with the songs on Disc 1? I know they aren't a part of the "song cycle" per se, but there are various lyrical connections, especially in Bonnie the Cat and Black Dahlia.
I am quoting myself for emphasis.
Saying the four songs on Disc 2, "have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of the first disc," is simply not correct. I think Wilson didn't include them as a part of it because the musical flow wouldn't have worked, but the lyrical connections are more than obvious, IMO.
SW stated the reason for splitting the extra 4 onto a second disc was because they were band compositions made at the same time, while the song cycle is primarily SW-written.
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Deadwing = sex.
Just putting that out there.
Deadwing is just one of those PT albums that has some amazing songs (Mellotron Scratch, Glass Arm Shattering) and some really forgettable ones (Halo, Lazarus)
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Deadwing = sex.
Just putting that out there.
Deadwing is just one of those PT albums where every song blows your mind :heart :)
fix'd.
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Ah fuck it, they're all amazing.
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Deadwing = sex.
Just putting that out there.
Deadwing is just one of those PT albums that has some amazing songs (Mellotron Scratch, Glass Arm Shattering) and some really forgettable ones (Halo, Lazarus)
i'd actually switch those and put the super-soupy "Mellotron" and "Glass Arm" in the forgettable category (despite how "Mellotron" gets such love here) along with "Shallow" (because it's boring and goes on too long). i'm not a fan of "Halo" at all but at least the goddamn song has real dynamics and significantly differing parts to keep interest. and "Lazarus" is a beautifully written pop tune, imo.
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Mellotron Scratch is easily one of the best songs on Deadwing IMO. If I had to pick out the worst songs on the album, I'd say - Shallow and Open Car, both are decent straight up rockers, and Glass Arm Shattering. While none of these songs are bad, they aren't IMO good enough to claim the album being a 5 out of 5.
While I love most of the title-track, I feel like it could have been cut down a few minutes. I don't particularly care for the heavy part. Halo is a song I'm a bit divided on, I think it's one of their best from Deadwing if we're talking live versions, because there it really becomes much better, but the studio version is not as good. Lazarus is a great ballad-song, but doesn't quite live up to previous songs like Trains or Drown With Me, two songs that are also a bit acoustic/ballady.
I'd probably say Mellotron Scratch, The Start of Something Beautiful and the title-track are the 3 best songs on the album.
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The title track is actually my least favorite on the album. Shallow is pretty cool but still not as awesome as the rest of the album. In fact, the album gets better as it goes, and it finishes with the two songs I like the most. :metal
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Open Car is probably my least favourite PT song. Shallow and Halo are forgettable. Mellotron Scratch, Arriving Somewhere, and The Start Of Something Beautiful are each amongst their best songs though.
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Nahhhh, Shallow and Halo are awesome. I especially love the riff near the end of Halo, with the ascending piano notes.
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I'm not a fan of Steven's vocal style in the chorus of Halo, which probably is what limits my enjoyment a bit. The bass riff is awesome though.
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I really enjoy Open Car :dunno:
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Open Car is pretty good, especially live. Way better than Shallow for sure. Halo's good too, though it was a weird choice to close out shows on the FOABP tour. I was like "wait, that's it? Really? That song?" This is after both Dark Matter and Shesmovedon, which would have been great closers.
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Deadwing is goddamned perfect you plebeians.
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Deadwing is goddamned perfect you plebeians.
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I don't prefer Shallow or Halo, other than Deadwing is great
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Deadwing is goddamned perfect you plebeians.
The song or the album? Your lack of italics or quotations really makes it ambiguous...although it doesn't matter, both the song AND the album are great!
-Marc.
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Deadwing is goddamned perfect you plebeians.
WORD!
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Deadwing = sex.
Just putting that out there.
Deadwing is just one of those PT albums that has some amazing songs (Mellotron Scratch, Glass Arm Shattering) and some really forgettable ones (Halo, Lazarus)
wtf is wrong with you, how is Lazarus a forgettable song?
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Deadwing is goddamned perfect you plebeians.
I agree but this is also true of every PT album since Signify so......
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The only PT album I consider to be perfect all the way through is FOABP, I love all the 6 songs equally. The other albums, as fantastic as they are, all have a few songs that are kinda "meh".
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Deadwing is a pretty great album, but far from perfect, I'd rate it 4/5. I'm not a huge fan of Halo, Open Car and Glass Arm Shattering.
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Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun are teh best
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Deadwing is wonderful, some of PT's best moments by far.
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Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun are teh best
This! But Stupid Dream, The Incident, Signify, In Absentia, Fear of a Blank Planet and The Sky Moves Sideways are all awesome as well and not far behind. This band simply has way too much awesome music. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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What about Up the Downstair? IMO that one is better than The Sky Moves Sideways for sure, and a few of the latter albums as well.
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I'm at a point where I don't dislike a single thing in their catalog. I even love Linton Samuel Dawson.
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Which would you all say is the best 5.1 album? I've recently come into a situation where I have the ability to listen to them. And would like to.
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Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun are teh best
Deadwing has been my favorite from the start, but I'll have to agree with Lightbulb sun being in the top 2, it grew on me immensely this summer. Stupid dream, In absentia and Fear of a blank planet are right behind, although I'm not sure in what order.
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I'm at a point where I don't dislike a single thing in their catalog. I even love Linton Samuel Dawson.
Linton Samuel Dawson is so awesome when I first listened to OTSOL I coudn't stop listening to it on repeat for at least hour and I still think it's one of the most underrated PT songs ever. The problem is that people are probably trying to take it seriously which doesn't make any sense.
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Which would you all say is the best 5.1 album? I've recently come into a situation where I have the ability to listen to them. And would like to.
FOABP is probably the height of SW's creativity and surround mixing skills with PT. both IA and DW suffer from his 'slowly discovering what works best' phase, while those after are significantly better. LBS also works fairly well in it, and The Incident probably sounds better than the stereo mix.
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Which would you all say is the best 5.1 album? I've recently come into a situation where I have the ability to listen to them. And would like to.
FOABP is probably the height of SW's creativity and surround mixing skills with PT. both IA and DW suffer from his 'slowly discovering what works best' phase, while those after are significantly better. LBS also works fairly well in it, and The Incident probably sounds better than the stereo mix.
I have all of the PT albums in 5.1, and I would agree that FOABP is the best in surround sound. All of them are highly recommended but I would start with FOABP.
Edit: Here is a link to where you can purchase the DVD-A for FOABP. https://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/169/639/ (https://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/169/639/) I remember when I first got this..... :hefdaddy
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Stupid Dream in 5.1 ain't too shabby either. But yeah - start with FoaBP.
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The thing about PT, unlike most bands is I can actually give most of their albums perfect scores.
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I used to think that PT had a lot of perfect albums, but since I've discovered more and more music the last 2 years or so, that has kinda faded a bit. Like I said, I think FOABP is perfect, then PT has quite a few albums I would rank 4.5 or 4 out of 5, so the discography is still pretty darn solid, even though I think there are bands with better discographies.
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Up the Downstair is really good, too, but I just don't think it's as awesome as every studio album they have done since.
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Up the Downstair is really good, too, but I just don't think it's as awesome as every studio album they have done since.
I agree.
It's better. :D
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Up the Downstair is their third best. Stupid Dream and TSMS being 2nd and 1st respectively.
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FINALLY, some news about this band. New live double CD:
https://www.porcupinetree.com/news.cfm
10/14/2012
Octane Twisted live double CD
"Octane Twisted" the new double CD live album including bonus DVD will be released on Kscope Records on November 19th. A regular 2 cd only version will be available at a later date.
CD 1 comprises the whole of "The Incident" recorded at the Riviera, Chicago 2010.
CD 2 track listing is as follows - with tracks 5 to 7 recorded at the Royal Albert Hall.
1. Hatesong (9.57)
2. Russia on Ice / The Pills I'm Taking (15.02)
3. Stars Die (5.57)
4. Bonnie the Cat (6.11)
5. Even Less (14.28)
6. Dislocated Day (7.05)
7. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (12.59)
The bonus DVD, which is a 6 camera shoot production, was never intended to be a standalone DVD release but nicely documents the live performance of "The Incident" in front of a typically lively Chicago audience.
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OMG YES
I thought we would never get The Incident live.
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Not too excited about TI live, but hey, maybe it'll change my perspective on the album. I haven't so much as heard a clip of the album since it first came out so my view might be changed by a live setting, playing the entirety. Especially what with BTBAM's Parallax II opening me up to concept albums once again. But I'm REALLY excited for those other songs! That's a fucking beautiful setlist. I'm definitely getting this just for that alone. Oh, and the artwork and yadda yadda.
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Already have it on pre order. BOOO YEAAAH!
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Already have it on pre order. BOOO YEAAAH!
Ditto - I pre-ordered 2 weeks ago actually. How did this news not get posted in here back at the beginning of the month?!
-Marc.
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Already have it on pre order. BOOO YEAAAH!
Ditto - I pre-ordered 2 weeks ago actually. How did this news not get posted in here back at the beginning of the month?!
-Marc.
I saw it posted and you commenting on it on Progressive Ear Forum.
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I really like the sound of the second set, so I may actually preorder that...
Oh guys, I made Adami buy Deadwing and he loves it :D :D
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Deadwing Deadwing Deadwing, hm.
I like it.
Now if only I can get Jackie to like Devin Townsend.
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Here's I Drive The Hearse from the bonus disc of the new live album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n9JgUizq8M#
Seems quite nice, though I'm not sure if the movie-like aspect ratio is a very good idea but it certainly gives it a certain atmosphere. And the recording sounds awesome, as expected.
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Check out this great interview with with PT keyboardist Richard Barbieri where he discusses every PT album!
https://www.rocksquare.com/community/featuredartists/1548
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Interesting stuff! :tup
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Man, it's great to read an interview from someone other than Steven. Richard seems to be a very intelligent guy, he's extremely opinionated and honest. And also, somehow I guessed that he wasn't too crazy about Shallow.
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Well, Shallow has always kinda stood out as one of the lesser PT songs from the newer albums. Personally I don't dislike it, but it's not awesome or anything.
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i'm surprised anyone liked "Shallow" enough to put it on the record. i'm sure the decision was fuelled by the record company and an interest in breaking into the mainstream (hence the song ending up on Xboxes everywhere).
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To be sure, I'm just glad it isn't happening more. That seemed to be at a time when PT was getting an unusual amount of publicity (I also remember a PT song, I can't remember which one, being in a movie around that time...I think it was 4 Brothers? Actually...it might have been Shallow..maybe Halo...?), so it's understandable that the company pushed to have more 'singles'. But it's pretty clear which songs were aimed to be more radio-friendly and appeal to the masses; and coincidentally those songs are the ones that are usually a little further down the list. It's bound to happen when a band that has as much talent as PT starts to get recognized, despite the band starting as a completely zany, standalone project. The evolution of this band is an interesting one... I'd forgotten that with all the recent solo activity.
Which brings me to one last thought: I really, really hope that Wilson finds that excitement and inspiration he once had with the band, because the other members are so amazingly talented and it'd be a true shame to just kind of let that fade away because Wilson is so wrapped up in his solo career. Which will not last for the rest of his musical career; I mean I suppose it could but he is just too 'hit-the-ground-running' and moving at a break-neck pace to keep this up for years to come. So, on one hand I really would not like to see PT return if it's going to be an uninspired effort that produces more of the same and on the other, if there's even a glimmer of hope, it'd be so wonderful to get a return-to-glory album that proves they've still got some creative bones in 'em. I just really hope we don't get another Incident or anything like it. Conflicted, is what this band is and my feelings for them. :huh: :azn:
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I like Shallow.
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I like Shallow.
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YOU TWO ARE THE MASSES!
:P
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I like Shallow.
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Shallow's not bad.
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I like Shallow as well, but if I had to pick a list favorite song from Deadwing, that would probably be the one. I'm not a huge fan of the title track neither, but the rest of the album is magnificent.
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That was a very good interview. I've always loved Richard, both for his contribution to the songs and he just seems like a cool guy.
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Got a nice little surprise in the mail today!! :metal
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Got a nice little surprise in the mail today!! :metal
Colin Edwin?
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Check out this great interview with with PT keyboardist Richard Barbieri where he discusses every PT album!
https://www.rocksquare.com/community/featuredartists/1548
first off, he (the interviewer) keeps referencing "black metal" when talking about Opeth
then Barbieri drops this:
"I only just started listening to Rush about a year ago. I’d never heard Rush before."
He has a lot of catching up to do!!
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So, has anyone heard the new live album? For those who don't know, Octane Twisted was released somewhere last week.
LINK (https://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/169/4174/)
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I've heard it. I think it's good, but not on the same level as Anesthetize, Coma Divine or even Arriving Somewhere. The setlist is not bad, but sound-wise it doesn't sound as good as the other releases.
I can pretty much sum my opinions up like this:
+The Incident live - Cool to have the album captured in full, it does sound better live
+Even Less full - Awesome to have a live version of the 14 minute version
+Setlist - While I don't think it's as good as the other albums I mentioned, still some songs unique to this release which you wont find on other live albums by the band
-The sound - Not bad, but far from "crystal-clear"
-The mix from different concerts - I was kinda against this from the start, by the time you get to the Anniversary gig-songs, it does feel kinda disjointed
-Was it really a necessary release? - As cool as it is to have The Incident on a live album, Anesthetize (and Atlanta) recently came out and I think it's a bit over the top to put out a new live album with every album. Arriving Somewhere.. came after Deadwing, Anesthetize after FOABP and now this one after The Incident. Personally I think it's a bit too much. And I don't really see myself spinning this album that much in the future, at least not compared to the other live albums. Maybe if I want The Incident live.
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-Was it really a necessary release? - As cool as it is to have The Incident on a live album, Anesthetize (and Atlanta) recently came out and I think it's a bit over the top to put out a new live album with every album. Arriving Somewhere.. came after Deadwing, Anesthetize after FOABP and now this one after The Incident. Personally I think it's a bit too much. And I don't really see myself spinning this album that much in the future, at least not compared to the other live albums. Maybe if I want The Incident live.
They must be huge fans of Rush :lol
(Well, Alex Lifeson DID appear on FOABP, sooo...)
-Marc.
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I've heard it. I think it's good, but not on the same level as Anesthetize, Coma Divine or even Arriving Somewhere. The setlist is not bad, but sound-wise it doesn't sound as good as the other releases.
I can pretty much sum my opinions up like this:
+The Incident live - Cool to have the album captured in full, it does sound better live
+Even Less full - Awesome to have a live version of the 14 minute version
+Setlist - While I don't think it's as good as the other albums I mentioned, still some songs unique to this release which you wont find on other live albums by the band
-The sound - Not bad, but far from "crystal-clear"
-The mix from different concerts - I was kinda against this from the start, by the time you get to the Anniversary gig-songs, it does feel kinda disjointed
-Was it really a necessary release? - As cool as it is to have The Incident on a live album, Anesthetize (and Atlanta) recently came out and I think it's a bit over the top to put out a new live album with every album. Arriving Somewhere.. came after Deadwing, Anesthetize after FOABP and now this one after The Incident. Personally I think it's a bit too much. And I don't really see myself spinning this album that much in the future, at least not compared to the other live albums. Maybe if I want The Incident live.
pretty much agreed with all of this — and the DVD sucks. big time.
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I haven't even watched the DVD yet, but seeing as it was released as an extra if you ordered the album early, it doesn't come off as being something really awesome visually, like Anesthetize or Arriving Somewhere.
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I actually really like the album. Of course, as it's live I won't listen huge amounts, but I like it.
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Check out this great interview with with PT keyboardist Richard Barbieri where he discusses every PT album!
https://www.rocksquare.com/community/featuredartists/1548
first off, he (the interviewer) keeps referencing "black metal" when talking about Opeth
then Barbieri drops this:
"I only just started listening to Rush about a year ago. I’d never heard Rush before."
He has a lot of catching up to do!!
The guy should know his stuff a bit better. I'm not as fanboy as I was when I was younger, and even I know that the spoken word part from "Last Chance..." is NOT a clip from a 50's sci-fi movie.
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Octane Twisted is good. I wasn't too excited about it but I got the regular CD version at Best Buy on Tuesday. The Incident sounds way better live, and the second disc is very good too. Not much to say other than its a good live release.
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Richard Barbieri likes Stupid Dream more than Lightbulb Sun? And here I thought he was a real Porcupine Tree fan. :tdwn
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Well, while Lightbulb Sun may have higher highs, it also has lower lows.
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You're just saying that because FOABP is his favorite too! :angry:
iMad
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I've always kinda been mixed towards LBS. I really like it, the songs I love would include: Russia on Ice, Hatesong, title-track and Last Chance..
Then there's songs I like quite a bit like Shesmovedon and How is Your Life Today.
The rest is kinda meh. I don't dislike the other songs, but they aren't wtf-awesome 5 out of 5-songs for me. :P
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LBS is pretty uneven indeed. Russia on Ice, Hatesong and the title-track are great, but there are also many tracks that are just meh, like HIYLT?, The Rest Will Flow and Where We Would Be. I think Stupid Dream is a much stronger album overall.
As for the live release, I'm not sure whether I'll get it. The Incident is my least favorite PT album out of the ones I've heard (OTSOL being the only one I've yet to hear) and having the DVD as bonus material only (and including just the TI portion of the set on it) isn't a great idea IMO.
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LBS is incredible. The only two sub-par songs are How is your life today and Four chords that made a million, and even the latter can be fun.
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I prefer Stupid Dream between the two, although both are great albums.
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Both are amazingly consistent and great. Fact. :biggrin:
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LS has some nice tracks, but a lot of boring ones. Stupid Dream, easily. It's probably the best album ever, anyway.
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Agreed. Stupid Dream is amazing and consistent throughout. LS is a similar sounding album, but rather uneven. I believe even SW has stated in no uncertain terms that he made some compromises on that album that he wasn't really happy with.
SD is a top 5 PT album and LS is a mid-to-low tier PT album. But there is no such thing as a bad PT album, so....
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I just wanted to say that I got In Absentia and Deadwing recently. It was my first exposure to these guys and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Steven Wilson is a genius! Sorry, just had to get it out there, carry on ;D
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I just wanted to say that I got In Absentia and Deadwing recently. It was my first exposure to these guys and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Steven Wilson is a genius! Sorry, just had to get it out there, carry on ;D
Sometimes I wish I could just put that feeling in a bottle...
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I just wanted to say that I got In Absentia and Deadwing recently. It was my first exposure to these guys and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Steven Wilson is a genius! Sorry, just had to get it out there, carry on ;D
Nice! Enjoy delving in beyond IA and Deadwing - there's a lot there.
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I just wanted to say that I got In Absentia and Deadwing recently. It was my first exposure to these guys and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Steven Wilson is a genius! Sorry, just had to get it out there, carry on ;D
Nice! Enjoy delving in beyond IA and Deadwing - there's a lot there.
Yes! Especially once you get all of the B-Sides and listen to them with the albums they belong to! There's 5 for IA and 5 for DW!
-Marc.
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That interview inspired me to listen to Up the Downstair again last night. It was way better than I remembered, particularly the title track.
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Up The Downstair is great, but I enjoy that type of psychedelic music. It's easily one of my top 5 PT albums.
Lightbulb Sun is a great album. It's definitely less consistent than Stupid Dream, but there aren't any tracks on Stupid Dream that reach the same highs as the best on LBS. And those highs are pretty damn high.
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Lightbulb Sun drags a bit at the beginning, where as Stupid Dream drags a bit in the middle. Overall, I'd say I prefer LBS by a hair, mainly because Russia On Ice is one of the best songs ever.
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What are some of the high highs of LBS? I can only think of a few really great moments, and those tend to be quieter ones.
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LBS is nothing but highs, IMO, but the highest highs are:
Lightbulb Sun
Shesmovedon
Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
Hatesong
Feel So Low
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As in, the whole song is a high? Or are you referring to high moments in the song?
I'm a little confused as to what people mean by "high", I guess. Is it synonymous with "really good", or is it more in line with "climactic"?
Because if you mean "really good", then Stupid Dream beats it...because every song on Stupid Dream is really good. :lol
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Because if you mean "really good", then Stupid Dream beats it...because every song on Stupid Dream is really good. :lol
No, Stupid Dream has Don't Hate Me and that song kinda sucks.
By highs I mean, whole songs that are just killer good, as in:
Lightbulb Sun
Shesmovedon
Last Chance...
Rest Will Flow
Hatesong
Russia On Ice
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Rest Will Flow ???
Isn't that one the more lousy songs on LBS?
Anyway,, the other songs are dope. :)
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Rest Will Flow ???
Isn't that one the more lousy songs on LBS?
All in the eye (ear) of the beholder. I love that song.
But I also like Four Chords, so what do I know?
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Ya I don't know either. I just thought that RWF was universally just regarded as one of LBS's "sellout" songs (like WWWB)
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Hatesong beats out all the songs on either album. But I still think SD is a better album.
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Rest will flow and Where we would be are both adorable, why are they sellout songs? They might be commercial sounding (and even that's a stretch), but so are Piano lessons and This is no rehearsal.
Though it's usual that the shorter songs get more hate, so to speak, but that's just because the epics on Lightbulb sun are breathtaking, and the title track is an indisputable classic. And then there's Feel so low, a classic Wilson album closer, in the vein of closers that would follow on the next couple of albums, as well as Like dust I have cleared from my eye. I pretty much like the shorter ones as much as I like Russia on ice.
Stupid dream is great, but I'm still having trouble with the last two songs. They just won't stick with me. That's why I would rank it below its follow up, which is memorable start to finish.
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I laugh when I read someone type that PT sold out on a song. RWF is a great tune.
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I just wanted to say that I got In Absentia and Deadwing recently. It was my first exposure to these guys and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Steven Wilson is a genius! Sorry, just had to get it out there, carry on ;D
Nice! Enjoy delving in beyond IA and Deadwing - there's a lot there.
Oh I will! I think FOABP is next.
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Both are amazingly consistent and great. Fact. :biggrin:
This. I see Lightbulb Sun as nothing but a consistent album of incredible highs. Stupid Dream is great too, but LBS really hits me in a way Stupid Dream doesn't.
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A friend of mine gave me a flash drive with PT's whole discog on it.
I'm quite a happy camper right now. :biggrin:
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As in, the whole song is a high? Or are you referring to high moments in the song?
I'm a little confused as to what people mean by "high", I guess. Is it synonymous with "really good", or is it more in line with "climactic"?
Because if you mean "really good", then Stupid Dream beats it...because every song on Stupid Dream is really good. :lol
The whole song.
Great.
Every song on both albums are, at worst, really good.
Stupid Dream has Don't Hate Me and that song kinda sucks.
:eek :eek :eek
Does. Not. Compute.
Rest Will Flow ???
Isn't that one the more lousy songs on LBS?
Nope.
I laugh when I read someone type that PT sold out on a song.
You and me both.
I see Lightbulb Sun as nothing but a consistent album of incredible highs.
Yep. Even a song like Four Chords That Made a Million sounds great in the context of the album, even if many wouldn't call it a great standalone song.
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Stupid Dream has Don't Hate Me and that song kinda sucks.
:eek :eek :eek
Does. Not. Compute.
Make it an instrumental and I'd love it. Steven's lyrics and vocals drag it down for me.
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I laugh when I read someone type that PT sold out on a song.
You and me both.
The best part is that he's accusing Four Chords of being a sellout song when it's about not selling out. :lol
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I never said FCTMAM was a sellout. ???
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Sorry, I misremembered.
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A friend of mine gave me a flash drive with PT's whole discog on it.
I'm quite a happy camper right now. :biggrin:
Steven will be even more thrilled than you!
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So after I listened to Deadwing a bunch of times in my car, I found a great new way to listen to PT.
So what I did was downloaded all of their songs on Itunes, put them on my Ipod and then played the whole thing on shuffle, making sure none of the songs flowed into the next song on their respective albums. I call it the Steven Wilson is Crying setlist.
I didn't really do any of those things, except listen to Deadwing, please don't kill me Steven Wilson.
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Because if you mean "really good", then Stupid Dream beats it...because every song on Stupid Dream is really good. :lol
Stupid Dream has Don't Hate Me and that song is kinda one of their top 5 songs.
FTFY
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So what I did was downloaded all of their songs on Itunes, put them on my Ipod and then played the whole thing on shuffle, making sure none of the songs flowed into the next song on their respective albums. I call it the Steven Wilson is Crying setlist.
I so want to do this now.
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the Steven Wilson is Crying setlist.
Actually, that's the combo of the two albums everyone is talking about above :D
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So what I did was downloaded all of their songs on Itunes, put them on my Ipod and then played the whole thing on shuffle, making sure none of the songs flowed into the next song on their respective albums. I call it the Steven Wilson is Crying setlist.
:clap:
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the Steven Wilson is Crying setlist.
Actually, that's the combo of the two albums everyone is talking about above :D
:lol
And it's oh so beautimus, that whimpering Brit.
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Lightbulb Sun drags a bit at the beginning, where as Stupid Dream drags a bit in the middle. Overall, I'd say I prefer LBS by a hair, mainly because Russia On Ice is one of the best songs ever.
this! exactement! it takes three songs for LBS to really take off (and then it stays 'up'), but SD just kinda dies until "Baby Dream in Cellophane" starts the awesome ending (with addendum 1: "Don't Hate Me" is a highlight in the middle for me, and addendum 2: i hate "Stranger by the Minute").
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Oh I will! I think FOABP is next.
I so wish I could rediscover Fear again - when it finally hit for me, it hit HARD.
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Never got the love for Russia On Ice. The only two moments in the modern PT catalog that I could really do without are the first half of Russia On Ice, and the second half of Strip the Soul. They are the very definition of "plodding".
The "other halves" of these songs are both quite good...I've often thought of mixing them together to get one really great epic song. The beginning of Strip the Soul, blending into part 2 of Russia on Ice. THAT would be cool. As it is, the only way I can listen to Strip the Soul, is the live version on Anesthetize (which cuts the offending portion of the song and inserts the FAR superior .3)
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I think Russia on Ice is a great song but if I ranked the songs it would probably be somewhere in the middle of the pack. It says a lot about LBS that I think a song as good as that isn't even close to the best song.
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the Steven Wilson is Crying setlist.
Actually, that's the combo of the two albums everyone is talking about above :D
:eek :eek
:lol :lol :lol
I think Russia on Ice is a great song but if I ranked the songs it would probably be somewhere in the middle of the pack. It says a lot about LBS that I think a song as good as that isn't even close to the best song.
Agreed. I love it, but I like probably five or six of the songs on LBS more than it.
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Never got the love for Russia On Ice. The only two moments in the modern PT catalog that I could really do without are the first half of Russia On Ice, and the second half of Strip the Soul. They are the very definition of "plodding".
But, but - those strings! and with those soaring harmonies! It's those beautiful melodies and the slow build up of suspense that that makes that 2nd half of RoI so tasty.
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Am I the only one who likes the ending of Strip the Soul (or the whole song, for that matter)? It's just so crushingly heavy and I love the doomy vibe it has :metal As much as I love .3, I was slightly disappointed when I watched Anesthetize for the first time and they skipped the STS outro.
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I think Russia on Ice is a great song but if I ranked the songs it would probably be somewhere in the middle of the pack. It says a lot about LBS that I think a song as good as that isn't even close to the best song.
Agreed. I love it, but I like probably five or six of the songs on LBS more than it.
Gotta agree with all of this. In fact, I tried to rank the songs, but it turned out to be kinda painful.
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Everyone is talking about Russia On Ice. I gave it a spin (I am not familiar with the 1999-2000 albums) and wasn't really impressed. Especially if compared with the earlier and some of the later material.
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Russia on Ice is quite awesome, but I prefer Hatesong from LBS.
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Ya I don't know either. I just thought that RWF was universally just regarded as one of LBS's "sellout" songs (like WWWB)
...But RWF is genius. Those strings at the end are godly.
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Since we're talking about Lightbulb Sun so much...
1: Hatesong
2: Russia On Ice
3: Lightbulb Sun
4: Rest Will Flow
5: Feel So Low
6: Where We Would Be
7: Shesmovedon
8: Last Chance
9: How Is Your Life Today?
10: Four Chords That Made A Million
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1. Russia On Ice
2. Hatesong
3. Shesmovedon
4. Lightbulb Sun
5. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before it is Recycled
6. The Rest Will Flow
7. Feel So Low
8. Where We Would Be
9. How is Your Life Today?
10. Four Chords That Made a Million
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1. Hatesong
2. Last Chance
3. Lightbulb Sun
4. Russia on Ice
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5. Shesmovedon
6. How is Your Life Today?
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7. Where We Would Be
8. Feel So Low
9. Four Chords That Made a Million
10. The Rest Will Flow
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1. Russia On Ice
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. Last Chance...
4. Shesmovedon
5. Hatesong
6. Rest Will Flow
7. Four Chords...
8. How Is Your Life Today?
9. Where We Would Be
10. Feel So Low
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Feel So Low
The Rest Will Flow
Lightbulb Sun
Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before it is Recycled
Russia on Ice
Shesmovedon
Hatesong
How Is Your Life Today?
Where We Would Be
Four Chords That Made a Million
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Lightbulb Sun
Feel So Low
Shesmovedon
Russia On Ice/Hatesong
Last Chance To Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
How Is Your Life Today?
Four Chords That Made A Million
Where We Would Be
The Rest Will Flow
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Lightbulb Sun
Shesmovedon
Russia on ice
Hatesong
The rest will flow
Last chance to evacuate earth
Feel so low
How is your life today
Where would we be
4 chords that made a million
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1. Hatesong
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before it is Recycled
4. Feel So Low
5. How is Your Life Today
6. Shesmovedon
7. The Rest Will Flow
8. Where We Would Be
9. Russia On Ice
10. Four Chords That Made a Million
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I strongly prefer the first half of Russia on Ice. In the beginning I loved all of it, but the second half just started to sound more and more like meaningless wanking after what I find to be a very strong emotional start. That fucking sigh crushes me every time.
As for Strip the Soul, I didn't really like it the first couple years of having that album, and now I love the whole thing.
Also, totally disagree with the idea of Rest Will Flow and Where We Would Be being "sellout" songs. They're both beautiful... and SW can write a great fucking pop song. Nothing wrong with that. My friend actually just sent me a clip of him doing an acoustic WWWB, and it was awesome.
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I strongly prefer the first half of Russia on Ice. In the beginning I loved all of it, but the second half just started to sound more and more like meaningless wanking after what I find to be a very strong emotional start. That fucking sigh crushes me every time.
Timestamp for the sigh?
Yeah, the second half of ROI just isn't done well. It's cool but the mix is kinda...flat. It's lacking an essential lower register to give it that fullness.
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Dunno the timestamp, but right after he says "Can't stop myself drinking"
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Both parts of Russia On Ice are equally awesome in two totally different ways.
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I decided to give Porcupine Tree a chance today and I'm currently working my way through my first listen of The Incident. Am I starting with the right album? What should I go for next? etc, etc. Please post recommendations, since I like what I hear so far.
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Personally, I wouldn't say it's the right album, although from an objective standpoint it does give the best general summary of their most recent sound. Basically I feel like I wouldn't have liked it had I not already been a fan. I started from In Absentia, then Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet, Lightbulb Sun, and then backwards from there.
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It's not the album I'd pick as a first one but if you like that one just work your way back. Their sound has changed a lot over the years so going in sequence like that wouldn't be too big of a shock.
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I like what I hear so far, but the short songs in the front half of the album feels really strange when you listen to them together in a row.
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Yeah, just work your way backward, RMV.
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The Incident was my first one, and I turned out fine. ;) Just work your way back, man. That's what I did.
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I've personally been on an intense Deadwing kick lately.
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If you listen to their discography backwards, you end up with something like Anathema's discography going forwards. :lol
You start heavy and go softer and more atmospheric/Floydian!
Really though, start with any of these three - Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia, Fear Of A Blank Planet.
-Marc.
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LBS as a good album to get acquainted with PT? Like it or not, it really is the oddball out of the SD - TI era. I'd say it's not so good for a PT n00b.
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LBS as a good album to get acquainted with PT? Like it or not, it really is the oddball out of the SD - TI era. I'd say it's not so good for a PT n00b.
It's a pretty transitional and experimental album, something that PT does very well. I'd say Stupid Dream, too, as it is a bit more consistent, but I think LBS has more to offer in terms of range of sounds and styles. Whether one likes it or not has no bearing on whether one objectively thinks it's a good place to start. Personally, I *love* SD over LBS, but I would still recommend LBS first. If I wanted to recommend SAFER albums, I'd go with SD and DW, but LBS and IA have more to offer, like I said, whereas the other two are more consistent and not as wildly experimental.
-Marc.
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LBS as a good album to get acquainted with PT? Like it or not, it really is the oddball out of the SD - TI era. I'd say it's not so good for a PT n00b.
It was my first PT album. I was pretty unimpressed. I didn't think it was bad, but after hearing how great PT was I wasn't entirely convinced. Luckily I heard Deadwing (or maybe it was IA?) next and that made me a fan. At that time, though, I was more into heavier stuff as I had been a Rush fan for a few months and had just started listening to DT. LBS really didn't align with what I listened to. I remember thinking that Russia on Ice was boring but I love it, and the whole album, now.
So overall I wouldn't recommend it as a starting place.
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I know I'm late, but here's my LBS ranking:
1. Hatesong
2. Russia on Ice
3. Lightbulb Sun
4. Feel So Low
5. Shesmovedon
6. Last Chance
7. Four Chords
8. How is Your Life Today?
9. Where We Would Be
10. The Rest Will Flow
And since Stupid Dream seemed to get talked about a lot as well, here's how I rank the songs on that album:
1. A Smart Kid
2. Don't Hate Me
3. Slave Called Shiver
4. Even Less
5. Stop Swimming
6. Piano Lessons
7. Pure Narcotic
8. Tinto Brass
9. Baby Dream in Cellophane
10. This is No Rehearsal
11. Stranger by the Minute
12. Stupid Dream
EDIT: My first PT album was Fear of a Blank Planet and it was definitely a great starting point! :tup
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I would second those saying In Absentia is a good starting point. It's what got me into PT, and is justifiably stunning.
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My first album was IA...and I liked some of it, and didn't like other parts....*AT FIRST*. But it did sit on my shelf for a year. Then a friend convinced me to buy Stupid Dream. And then that gathered dust for another year. (again, there were parts I loved, and parts that didn't grab me...at first). But as with any "slow grower" band, the stuff that I *did* like kept me coming back until the stuff that didn't grab me right away "clicked"...
If I had to recommend a starting point...I would say that Deadwing was the first PT album to really "grab" me right out of the starting gate. FOABP is also one of those albums that still has a lot going on, but just seems to grab you right away. That opening riff on the album (along with the very poignant message) is immediately riveting. So I would say Deadwing or FOABP should be the starting point for any PT n00b.
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Signify and Stupid Dream were the immediate grabbers for me, on first listens.
Blackest Eyes and Trains were as well, but the rest on In Absentia took a bit of time.
Even though I love Deadwing to death, I'd probably not recommend it right away simply because Shallow should not be the 2nd song by PT a possible new fan should hear. :lol Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Shallow for what it is, but it could turn some off right away.
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Coma Divine was the first album I got by PT (yeah, bad choice), somehow 'Signify' whetted my appetite for more. Then a friend sent me shesmovedon and the rest is history...
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Signify and Stupid Dream were the immediate grabbers for me, on first listens.
Blackest Eyes and Trains were as well, but the rest on In Absentia took a bit of time.
Even though I love Deadwing to death, I'd probably not recommend it right away simply because Shallow should not be the 2nd song by PT a possible new fan should hear. :lol Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Shallow for what it is, but it could turn some off right away.
It would depend on whether or not the potential fan is already a metal fan or not. But still...you're right. Even though it's not my all time favorite PT album...I personally think FOABP is a nearly perfect starting point. It really has everything. Starts with a hook, gets a little spacy and mellow, then launches into an amazing epic, ends with a freaky experimental jam. The songs don't necessarily hold up on their own IMO...but every time I sit down to listen to that album, it's just a great experience.
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Coma Divine was the first album I got by PT (yeah, bad choice), somehow 'Signify' whetted my appetite for more. Then a friend sent me shesmovedon and the rest is history...
Whaa!? Hardly a bad choice! It was my first PT album as well and I think it was a wonderful place to start. It showed me this was a band that was very talented, not only behind the mic in the studio, but in front of an audience as well. Not only that, but it's still my favorite live album if only for the quality of the production and the songs themselves. It's a fantastic live album. Granted, yes, it is an odd place to start, but I wouldn't say it's a bad one.
I randomly picked it up in my local F.Y.E. shop (not sure if they're even still around..) because I liked the album artwork and the band name jumped out at me...of all things. Judging a book by it's cover has done me well thus far. ;D
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The songs don't necessarily hold up on their own IMO...but every time I sit down to listen to that album, it's just a great experience.
You don't think? I reckon Anesthetize is one of the best songs they've ever written, and Sentimental ranks up there in my top PT songs overall too. I think FOABP is awesome and Sleep Together is great... but I could do without hearing My Ashes or Way Out of Here ever again tbh.
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Coma Divine was the first album I got by PT (yeah, bad choice), somehow 'Signify' whetted my appetite for more. Then a friend sent me shesmovedon and the rest is history...
Whaa!? Hardly a bad choice! It was my first PT album as well and I think it was a wonderful place to start. It showed me this was a band that was very talented, not only behind the mic in the studio, but in front of an audience as well. Not only that, but it's still my favorite live album if only for the quality of the production and the songs themselves. It's a fantastic live album. Granted, yes, it is an odd place to start, but I wouldn't say it's a bad one.
I randomly picked it up in my local F.Y.E. shop (not sure if they're even still around..) because I liked the album artwork and the band name jumped out at me...of all things. Judging a book by it's cover has done me well thus far. ;D
Well, bad in the sense that it could have gone either way and based on that album I'd say I would have been more likely not to get into them than I would have been to branch out into other PT albums. It's a great album, but for a newbie not particularly grabbing I don't think. In Absentia would have been a surer bet!
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I started with FOABP. Bought it almost by chance, and took some time to grow in me. Then, a year later or so, I delved deeper into the band earlier material, like The Sky Moves Sideways, which is still my favourite PT LP. I never really appreciated In Absentia, the 99-00 albums and The Incident (which I didn't like at all). So, I guess I cannot be defined a true Porcupine Tree fan, unfortunately. :-\
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The songs don't necessarily hold up on their own IMO...but every time I sit down to listen to that album, it's just a great experience.
You don't think? I reckon Anesthetize is one of the best songs they've ever written, and Sentimental ranks up there in my top PT songs overall too. I think FOABP is awesome and Sleep Together is great... but I could do without hearing My Ashes or Way Out of Here ever again tbh.
That's just it. The weaker songs fit perfectly into the scope and theme of the album...making the entire album better than the sum of its parts. I'm personally really sick of Sentimental and LOVE My Ashes. (especially the live version). I don't think Anesthetize is as good an epic as Arriving Somewhere, but that's probably just because it doesn't seem like a song at all...it's more like a three song suite. But the parts don't sound related to one another, and I feel that brings the piece as a whole down slightly. It's still really awesome though.
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I think I'll spice things up and rank both albums on one list:
1. Don't Hate Me
2. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
3. A Smart Kid
4. Baby Dream in Cellophane
5. Russia On Ice
6. Slave Called Shiver
7. Piano Lessons
8. Hatesong
9. Even Less
10. This is No Rehearsal
11. Shesmovedon
12. Lightbulb Sun
13. The Rest Will Flow
14. Tinto Brass
15. Where We Would Be
16. Stop Swimming
17. Stranger by the Minute
18. Pure Narcotic
19. How is Your Life Today?
20. Four Chords That Made a Million
21. Feel so Low
Won't bother putting on Stupid Dream title track. If we were talking Even Less extended, it'd be #4.
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The songs don't necessarily hold up on their own IMO...but every time I sit down to listen to that album, it's just a great experience.
You don't think? I reckon Anesthetize is one of the best songs they've ever written, and Sentimental ranks up there in my top PT songs overall too. I think FOABP is awesome and Sleep Together is great... but I could do without hearing My Ashes or Way Out of Here ever again tbh.
That's just it. The weaker songs fit perfectly into the scope and theme of the album...making the entire album better than the sum of its parts. I'm personally really sick of Sentimental and LOVE My Ashes. (especially the live version). I don't think Anesthetize is as good an epic as Arriving Somewhere, but that's probably just because it doesn't seem like a song at all...it's more like a three song suite. But the parts don't sound related to one another, and I feel that brings the piece as a whole down slightly. It's still really awesome though.
I don't think I could ever get sick of Sentimental, and releasing Normal just added more fuel to the fire of my love for it. I always felt like parts 1 and 2 of Anaesthetize are closely related and very complementary, but yeah the final part just doesn't really do it for me. It's nice, it's okay, but given the jaw dropping amazingness of part 2 I always feel a little too wound up to let it play out and end up skipping onto something else, especially if I'm listening with someone else.
I'm listening to Coma Divine now. I love how much energy Signify has on this CD.
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There's no such thing as a wrong starting point, as long as you're patient and aware the better albums are yet to come. I started with Up the downstair, fairly liked it, but I wasn't too impressed. I went by discography, and at a certain point I heard Stupid dream, which was more like it - and then a couple of weeks later In Absentia and Deadwing sealed the deal. :smiley:
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Lightbulb Sun is my favorite PT record. I started with Signify.
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I bet Signify would be a good starter. Mine was In Absentia, which of course did the trick.
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In Absentia or Deadwing would probably be the best.
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Agreed, but Signify does showcase quite a bit of their range. I love it so much.
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Signify was the second PT album I heard and it absolutely floored me on the first listen. It didn't utterly destroy me like Stupid Dream did a short time after that :lol, but it still had a massive impact on me. :tup :tup
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I don't know if this was posted before but what a great cover of "Lips Of Ashes"? If not, enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bVqZ_-KtZ3M#!
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Ohhh I'm just here to reaffirm that Chloroform is one of the most beautifully haunting pieces of music I've ever heard and I love it. :heart :heart
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I don't know if this was posted before but what a great cover of "Lips Of Ashes"? If not, enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bVqZ_-KtZ3M#!
Nice cover! :tup Lips of Ashes is one of my favorites and probably the most underrated post-TSMS era PT song.
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Ohhh I'm just here to reaffirm that Chloroform is one of the most beautifully haunting pieces of music I've ever heard and I love it. :heart :heart
Top 5 PT track for me.
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Yes, Chloroform is amazing.
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Sorry if I interrupt your natural flux of conversation, I have one question: is there any knowledge, however informal, of the time PT will likely begin planning a new studio release? I mean, are they likely to enter the studio before the end of 2013 or are there other side activities filling the year's schedule?
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As far as I know there are no concrete plans. SW is busy doing his solo album which I'm sure he'll tour after he is done.
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As far as I know there are no concrete plans. SW is busy doing his solo album which I'm sure he'll tour after he is done.
Yes, but the tour kicks off on March. How long could it last? By mid summer it should be over.
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The theory is that PT will reconvene shortly after Wilson finishes up his solo tour next year, but I don't think it is confirmed, nor should it be considered a given, especially since Wilson is not the type of guy to adhere to a schedule or take the "I guess we are due to do an album" approach. He'll do it if he is feeling it, bottom line.
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The theory is that PT will reconvene shortly after Wilson finishes up his solo tour next year, but I don't think it is confirmed, nor should it be considered a given, especially since Wilson is not the type of guy to adhere to a schedule or take the "I guess we are due to do an album" approach. He'll do it if he is feeling it, bottom line.
And if he doesn't, in the mean time, he could compile all the B-Sides from In Absentia and Deadwing and make a "Recordings 2" album. Many of those tracks are hard to find/expensive to buy, so getting them all on ONE CD would be a treat! I'd buy it, for sure! Maybe also include some demos and other PT-related material that hasn't been released before, just to entice the hard-core fans who already have the B-sides.
-Marc.
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I would buy an EP release of the full 41 minutes long Moonloop improvisation.
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Steven doesn't strike me as the person who would do anything for a quick cashgrab. While I agree with you that those songs are hard to come by and having them on one CD would be cool, it doesn't strike me as something SW would do himself. Possibly Roadrunner in the same way as Octane Twisted, put something out to sell some albums and remind people about the PT-name.
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That would be amazing, M. I have all of the B-sides already, but getting them on one disc, perhaps remastered in some way by the man himself (or otherwise...or not), would still be pretty awesome. They certainly deserve to be in the spotlight a bit more.
Yeah, no one should expect anything at all in terms of PT activity for the next year or two. For all we know, Wilson will get yet another flash of inspiration during this tour and go on to a fourth album; I mean, he really is loving the hell out of this new-found freedom and creativity. I love that, and I'm not holding my breath for anything PT-related as it's a sure thing that at the absolute least, we won't hear news of it till after the tour for the third solo album. No concrete information at all thus far, and Wilson himself has stated, after being asked "...is (there) a danger that Porcupine Tree might fall by the wayside?"
The honest answer is I don’t know. The solo career for me now is probably the most important. I think about it more than anything else, I’m more focused on it than anything else, I enjoy it more than anything else...
From wikipedia, which has cited a source. So any other information is theories by starved fans. Rightfully so. Despite the fact that I still really, really abhor most of The Incident, even I'm starting to wonder what the next album will be like, and I'm not worried at all that they'll 'die out'. Wilson is far too much of a creative monster to not go against that pre-set plan that he thinks fans envision for PT. Which is probably a very large reason why he's so gung-ho about this solo-career. Either way, I wouldn't worry. He's enjoying himself, and so are the other members of PT. When the time is right, when the ideas are flowing, something will come of it. But right now that's just not his area of focus. Who knows, maybe something during this solo tour will inspire him to do something with PT.
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And I agree, while Steven is enjoying his solo career, I fully do NOT expect any PT activity until I hear news about it.
After about 2 years of TFK's The Sum Of No Evil, I decided that Roine just wanted to go on with other projects, but it also helped that his fellow Kings also had other bands/projects! Even though the wait was about 5 years until the next album, I knew it would be well worth the wait, especially since we got some great music from the band members in the interim.
I believe the same might be true for SW/PT during this hiatus - we've gotten 2 very good albums from SW, as well as some great side-projects from SW and other PT members, so I'm not complaining. I'm sure that, within the next 2 years, PT will reconvene and all will be right with the prog world!
-Marc.
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Steven doesn't strike me as the person who would do anything for a quick cashgrab. While I agree with you that those songs are hard to come by and having them on one CD would be cool, it doesn't strike me as something SW would do himself. Possibly Roadrunner in the same way as Octane Twisted, put something out to sell some albums and remind people about the PT-name.
I wouldn't consider a "Recordings 2" to be a cash grab. I would save a lot of fan's time and money from having to hunt down to b-sides from elsewhere.
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Well, I think it mostly comes down to HOW it gets released. With the case of Octane Twisted and SW having barely (if any) involvement at all, then it feels like the recordlabel just putting out something to remind people of the band, and earn money on something that's just sitting around otherwise.
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i'm afraid the only possible upcoming PT release being mentioned is a mailorder CD reissue of Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape — SW just mentioned it on Twitter recently.
i was able to find the original YHD CD just recently for a really good price, so i'm not on board if he just does a straight reissue, but anything different (like putting the vinyl version on CD, which has other songs) and i'm in!
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That's fucking awesome even if it is just a reissue, if only to get the more people interested into his earlier works, which are ingeniously beautiful. But yeah it'd be even better if there was something new to the mix.
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I didn't even know that existed, so I'll definitely be picking it up.
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Ever since discovering these guys a few weeks ago, all other music feels somehow lacking and I keep going back to Deadwing and In Absentia. Ahh, good stuff.
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:laugh: I remember that feeling. Still kinda there. They are an amazingly talented band.
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Why are they separately reissuing Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape? They included it as a second disc on the UTD remaster...
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The bonus disc on UTD is Staircase Infinities, which includes a re-recorded version(?) of the title-track of YHD, though. YHD is basically a compilation of songs that didn't make it onto OTSOL.
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Why are they separately reissuing Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape? They included it as a second disc on the UTD remaster...
That disc is what would have been included on UTD if it would have been allowed to be a double album.
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Interesting...
Despite the fact that I still really, really abhor most of The Incident, even I'm starting to wonder what the next album will be like, and I'm not worried at all that they'll 'die out'. Wilson is far too much of a creative monster to not go against that pre-set plan that he thinks fans envision for PT. Which is probably a very large reason why he's so gung-ho about this solo-career. Either way, I wouldn't worry. He's enjoying himself, and so are the other members of PT. When the time is right, when the ideas are flowing, something will come of it. But right now that's just not his area of focus. Who knows, maybe something during this solo tour will inspire him to do something with PT.
If I remember correctly (too lazy to check right now), Barbieri said in that recent interview that they were all kinda tired of the "heavy" PT, and that the next release, whenever it is, will be in a different direction.
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Well shit, that gets my blood flowing in all the right places. I really hope so. It would be so amazing to hear something from the mid-era or (dare I hope) beginning-era of PT's catalog. Either way they go (even if it's something completely and utterly new), any different direction is good.
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Because I love when your blood flows to the right places (:eyebrows:), I got less lazy. Here you go:
Rock Square: Steven has said that he is now tired of heavy metal and that he feels that the vocabulary of heavy metal sounds is now overly familiar and played out. So he’d like Porcupine Tree to ditch the metal sound next time and go somewhere new. What’s your take on that and do you have any ideas on what the next iteration of Porcupine Tree might sound like?
Richard Barbieri : I completely agree with him and I think we all feel the same. We’ve had three or four albums now in that kind of ballpark. There’s no doubt that it’s time for a change, a different direction. I spoke with Steven and he was saying, for a start, he’s not interested in that kind of guitar style anymore or particularly too much guitar. He’d like to be writing on keyboards and playing in the studio on keyboards. Which is great, because I think that brings about a completely different vibe and a different kind of composition.
As to what kind of music that we’re going to make, we really don’t know until we get together. We probably all have our own little agendas and our own manifestos. For me, it’s always been about trying to make the arrangements around the songs more experimental. That’s my big thing and that’s not changed since I got into music, as far back as Japan on tracks like “Ghosts” and things like that. A great song will hold up regardless of the backing. But instead of putting in those lovely, lush chords, just try to work in a different way. Just try to break the chords down a bit and make different sounds or arrange it just slightly different.
I guess the first thing would be to get together and just talk about what kind of direction. It just naturally will be different. It always has been in Porcupine Tree’s past. Often it’s down to Steven’s influences at the time. He’s generally quite open to musical influences so, who knows?
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Awesome blossom! That's wonderful, I'm glad that Barbieri is on board with that train of thought as well. Oh boy! Now I'm gonna be anticipating the release of PT even more after Wilson is through touring for Raven. That's great news.
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A PT without the metal-influence and more keyboard-oriented sounds really interesting to me. Nothing against the last couple of albums, but it's really awesome to see the band try something else and not get stuck in the same rut. (if PT ever get back together and make that next album) :P
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I heard both The Blind House and Last Chance back to back at a bar last night. I have no idea who put it on but I was surprised even the jukebox had it.
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Badass bar!
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Some bars have pretty sweet jukeboxes. I even heard some Opeth at a bar once.
I put "Arriving Somewhere..." and "Octavarium" on at a bar once. I bet the other patrons hated me.
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Keyboards? Experimental? FUCK YES EVERYWHERE
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:D
These new digital jukeboxes have just about everything. It can be pricey, but it's usually worth it. I played Arriving Somewhere in a bar once, and it got my friend and I into a conversation with an adorable dude who couldn't believe someone in there knew PT.
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Very glad PT are done with "metal" finally.
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Very glad PT are done with "metal" finally.
THIS!
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Their metal style was cool. But there's not much more they can do with it. Good move.
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Amen to that.
Shit. Now I really want some new PT. GOD DAMN IT I WAS DOING SO GOOD. *itchitchscratchscratch*
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Their metal style was cool. But there's not much more they can do with it. Good move.
Pretty much. The "metal" era of PT is my favorite, but I'm all for exploring new ground.
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The bit about writing more on keyboards sounds promising - I know PT aren't going to repeat themselves or revisit any old album, but it'd be nice to hear some shades of the psychedelic and electronic elements of the earlier stuff on the next album.
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Amen to that.
Shit. Now I really want some new PT. GOD DAMN IT I WAS DOING SO GOOD. *itchitchscratchscratch*
Lol, this indeed.
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Porcupine tree is one of those ''free'' bands. They had their psychadelic period, then their slightly more accessible works, then they got heavier. Yet they remained interesting throughout all their musical incarnations. I'll look forward to any of their future releases whatever they might sound like, I'm really curious. :smiley:
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I just made Milena listen to "Normal" for the first time. I have a question for you diehard porcupines: why was the song left out of FOAB in the first place?
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I read that Steven thought there were too many long songs on the album so he reworked Normal and the result was Sentimental, which made it to the album.
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I just made Milena listen to "Normal" for the first time. I have a question for you diehard porcupines: why was the song left out of FOAB in the first place?
Oh please, like I wouldn't have done it myself at some point :lol
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I just made Milena listen to "Normal" for the first time. I have a question for you diehard porcupines: why was the song left out of FOAB in the first place?
Oh please, like I wouldn't have done it myself at some point :lol
The wave function of the Universe has collepsed, Mili. What the future might have been is now immaterial to the eyes of men and gods. :3
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The wave function of the Universe has collepsed, Mili. What the future might have been is now immaterial to the eyes of men and gods. :3
You know that reality is immaterial, right?
Also, silly SW, there is no such a thing as too many long songs.
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The wave function of the Universe has collepsed, Mili. What the future might have been is now immaterial to the eyes of men and gods. :3
You know that reality is immaterial, right?
Eh, tell that to the man that just might come in through here with a gun...
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Eh, tell that to the man that just might come in through here with a gun...
I heard he doesn't wanna be here because of his suffering, because of his illness.
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I'm kneeling on the floor... Wait, what?!
Also, silly SW, there is no such a thing as too many long songs.
There are albums with too many long songs (Black Clouds & Silver Linings, I'm looking at you!) but I don't think FOABP would've suffered much if they had put Normal on it instead of Sentimental.
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I'm kneeling on the floor... Wait, what?!
Also, silly SW, there is no such a thing as too many long songs.
There are albums with too many long songs (Black Clouds & Silver Linings, I'm looking at you!) but I don't think FOABP would've suffered much if they had put Normal on it instead of Sentimental.
I didn't know that the two songs are the same piece of music in different times of its evolution. I have always believed (and still do) that the album would have worked great with both songs in the lot, I tend to like in-album references. :)
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Also, silly SW, there is no such a thing as too many long songs.
There are albums with too many long songs (Black Clouds & Silver Linings, I'm looking at you!) but I don't think FOABP would've suffered much if they had put Normal on it instead of Sentimental.
I agree with the former (too many long songs can be a hindrance to the flow of an album), but not with the latter (Sentimental works perfectly in the context of FOABP; the end of it is the perfect set-up for Way out of Here).
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I prefer Sentimental over Normal. In fact Sentimental is probably my favorite song in the whole album.
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I agree with the former (too many long songs can be a hindrance to the flow of an album), but not with the latter (Sentimental works perfectly in the context of FOABP; the end of it is the perfect set-up for Way out of Here).
It's true that Sentimental works better in the context of the album, but Normal wouldn't have made the album too long if it was there instead. But both songs are equally good IMO.
And since nobody seemed to notice this in the funny stuff thread, I'll put this here: PT shreds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTOIktVSG8)
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And since nobody seemed to notice this in the funny stuff thread, I'll put this here: PT shreds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTOIktVSG8)
That's just beautiful. Genius point on the one who created that :tup
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There are albums with too many long songs (Black Clouds & Silver Linings, I'm looking at you!)
In the light of your example: *too many GOOD long songs :biggrin:
(BCSL, now two people are looking at you)
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And since nobody seemed to notice this in the funny stuff thread, I'll put this here: PT shreds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTOIktVSG8)
That's just beautiful. Genius point on the one who created that :tup
my love for the "<insert band> shreds" videos knows no bounds
hahaha - those keyboard sounds!!!
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:rollin :lol
I love those videos too but somehow I missed that one. That's fucking brilliant. I love the keyboard parts....
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I prefer Sentimental over Normal. In fact Sentimental is probably my favorite song in the whole album.
THIS so much.
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Sentimental is also my favourite song on the album. I adore Aneasthetize but Sentimental just gets to me more, and I find myself listening to it far more frequently. Don't know whether I'd pick that or Normal if I could only have one forever, though. Probably would have to go for Normal purely based on the 'gotta see the waves'.
Anybody else ever noticed how similar Veneno Para las Hadas (solo SW) and I Find That I'm Not There (PT) are?
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I prefer Sentimental over Normal. In fact Sentimental is probably my favorite song in the whole album.
THIS so much.
indeed, though i find my main problem with "Normal" is the shoddy/demo-like recording quality of the acoustic instruments (i.e. not electric guitar and keys). it and "What Happens Now?" suffer from severe under-production compared to the rest, which a) makes it obvious they were the ones written after the fact, and b) makes it difficult to enjoy them in the same context.
however, they sound infinitely better on Anesthetize, which is totally awesome front to back. i'm glad those songs were on the setlist.
Anybody else ever noticed how similar Veneno Para las Hadas (solo SW) and I Find That I'm Not There (PT) are?
yeah, that was a common comment when Insurgentes came out. personally, i like the recycling, as both are some of my favourite SW songs.
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Yeah, the first few times I heard Veneno, I did keep wanting to sing TSMS
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Yeah, every time I hear Veneno Para las Hadas I can't help but thinking about The Sky Moves Sideways.
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Damn, I just realized that.
Can never unhear.
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:xbones
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I heard both The Blind House and Last Chance back to back at a bar last night. I have no idea who put it on but I was surprised even the jukebox had it.
Last Chance seems like a really strange bar song. One of my favourites by them though, so I'd love that. :D
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I've noticed the Veneno-TSMS similarity as well. But ironically TSMS is my second favorite PT song (after Anesthetize) and VPLH is one of the less interesting songs on Insurgentes IMO.
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I really like Veneno, it has such a Staircase Infinities vibe to it for me.
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Veneno is nothing special IMO. I like the song, but it's not one of my favorites from the album.
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Collecting Space and The 78 are easily my favourites (alongside the title track). The 78 is just incredible. It has such a meaning attached to it due to events going on when I got into it. And the lyrics are so beautifully pessimistic and defeatist <3
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I never see anyone talk about Black Dahlia. I love this song, it's short and sweet. The last minute is incredibly beautiful.
Why does it get no praise? :(
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It's one of my least favorite on that album (actually, probably in general too)
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Black Dahlia is great. It's a better closer than Remember Me Lover, imo.
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Black Dahlia is the classic example of a great song that kind of gets lost in the mix because it's on album with so many other great songs (many of which are better and more loved).
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I actually just think it's one of their weakest songs. It's never done it for me at all...
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That last sentence applies to the entirety of TI for me, but I actually think the bonus disc is alright. That said, I still think Black Dahlia is one of their weakest songs. But it's just so hard to judge anything on that album cause I dislike the whole vibe and concept so much. I want to say 'hate', but even the worst of PT songs are better than most of the shit I hear.
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Black Dahlia (and Flicker) don't do anything for me. I might have received them better if they were on an EP (which I feel should have been done with the second disc to start with).
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Most of The Incident is pretty meh or just alright, and Black Dahlia is no exception. I love the title-track, The Blind House and the last 4 tracks on disc 1, and Bonnie the Cat is pretty cool too, although The Grand Conjuration influence in the interlude is quite clear. Unfortunately the rest of the album doesn't do much to me. Maybe it's a good thing in a way that I didn't become a PT fan until this year - The Incident would've been a MASSIVE disappointment after Fear..., which is their best album IMO.
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Bought dead wing and absolutely love it
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Deadwing is absolutely amazing IMO - I find it to be much better than In Absentia, but as always... your mileage may vary.
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Most of The Incident is pretty meh or just alright, and Black Dahlia is no exception. I love the title-track, The Blind House and the last 4 tracks on disc 1, and Bonnie the Cat is pretty cool too, although The Grand Conjuration influence in the interlude is quite clear. Unfortunately the rest of the album doesn't do much to me. Maybe it's a good thing in a way that I didn't become a PT fan until this year - The Incident would've been a MASSIVE disappointment after Fear..., which is their best album IMO.
TI would've been a massive disappointment after anything honestly.
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Most of The Incident is pretty meh or just alright, and Black Dahlia is no exception. I love the title-track, The Blind House and the last 4 tracks on disc 1, and Bonnie the Cat is pretty cool too, although The Grand Conjuration influence in the interlude is quite clear. Unfortunately the rest of the album doesn't do much to me. Maybe it's a good thing in a way that I didn't become a PT fan until this year - The Incident would've been a MASSIVE disappointment after Fear..., which is their best album IMO.
I love Fear of a Blank Planet....but The Incident is just a little bit better. :biggrin:
Deadwing is absolutely amazing IMO - I find it to be much better than In Absentia, but as always... your mileage may vary.
I also prefer Deadwing to In Absentia, but both are so damn good, I can't fault anyone for preferring one over the other. :tup :tup
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Overall I'd say The Incident is their weakest in a long time. It's not bad, but the previous 7 or 8 albums are all better IMO.
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Disc 1 is pretty good. If they had just released that, it would have been better received, I think.
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Disc 1 is pretty good. If they had just released that, it would have been better received, I think.
Ironic you say that because that's what SW's train of thought was that he wanted to release the 2nd disc together, unlike the separate releases that FOABP and NR had.
I don't think the album would've done any better or worse had the 2nd disc been later released as an EP, a la Nil Recurring.
-Marc.
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Perhaps.
Anyway...
FOABP>TI
Deadwing>IA
Might as well just start this again:
Stupid Dream
Fear Of A Blank Planet
Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
In Absentia
The Incident
the rest...
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Disc 1 is pretty good. If they had just released that, it would have been better received, I think.
Ironic you say that because that's what SW's train of thought was that he wanted to release the 2nd disc together, unlike the separate releases that FOABP and NR had.
I don't think the album would've done any better or worse had the 2nd disc been later released as an EP, a la Nil Recurring.
-Marc.
The presence of the second disc doesn't bring down the quality of the whole, rather the quality of the songs does. SW was wise to separate the Incident suite (song-cycle, whatever) from the extra tracks and I really don't see why there's a problem with that. DT did the same thing with SDoIT.
EDIT: Not really responding or arguing with you Letter M, just kinda jumping off from your post a bit. :)
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Yeah I really don't see how it makes a difference with Disc 2 being the same album as Disc 1. It's another disc so it's not like the songs have been randomly placed after the songcycle, fucking it all up.
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Disc 1 is pretty good. If they had just released that, it would have been better received, I think.
Ironic you say that because that's what SW's train of thought was that he wanted to release the 2nd disc together, unlike the separate releases that FOABP and NR had.
I don't think the album would've done any better or worse had the 2nd disc been later released as an EP, a la Nil Recurring.
-Marc.
The presence of the second disc doesn't bring down the quality of the whole, rather the quality of the songs does. SW was wise to separate the Incident suite (song-cycle, whatever) from the extra tracks and I really don't see why there's a problem with that. DT did the same thing with SDoIT.
EDIT: Not really responding or arguing with you Letter M, just kinda jumping off from your post a bit. :)
Ahh okay, well I don't think DT did that with SDOIT on purpose. Besides, the title track isn't the MAIN part of the album, the WHOLE album is the main part of the album, and the way you worded it makes it sound like Disc 1 is full of "bonus tracks", which they're certainly not :lol
I think DT's SDOIT was only 2 discs because of the limitations of the music medium at the time. If CDs could hold 100 minutes, it would have likely been one CD. And if CDs could hold 100 minutes, SW still would've released TI as two discs anyway.
-Marc.
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Can we really say that with any authority though? DT was pretty adamant about doing a 'double album' and when they finally got the chance, they did it.
And no I don't consider any part of The Incident (or SDoIT) release to be bonus or extra tracks, it was just the wordage I used because... words are hard.
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Can we really say that with any authority though? DT was pretty adamant about doing a 'double album' and when they finally got the chance, they did it.
And no I don't consider any part of The Incident (or SDoIT) release to be bonus or extra tracks, it was just the wordage I used because... words are hard.
True, but the difference between the two (TI and SDOIT), is that DT don't consider the first disc to be separate from the "main part" of the album, even though the second disc is the title track. I think SW was pretty vocal about his decision to put the "main part" of TI on the first disc, while the second disc were unrelated tracks recorded at the same time, similar but not entirely the same as Neal Morse's 2011 release Testimony 2, which came with a second disc of 3 more tracks unrelated to the main album. With DT's SDOIT, there's an album flow that requires all 6 tracks, while with The Incident or Testimony 2, the 2nd disc really feels more like "bonus tracks" than anything since they are meant to be separate from the first disc.
-Marc.
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I don't see how the second disc of TI makes it any better or worse either; it is what it is. Clearly it was done for a reason and while I think TI as a whole, including the second disc, is completely boring and sub-par music entirely, I'd say I enjoy the second disc more than the first. That's taking it as a whole though, there's songs on the first disc that I like more than the second, but there's no way I'm ever sitting through the entirety of that album ever again; and as was meant to be enjoyed to the fullest by listening to it as a song cycle, I don't get the full enjoyment out of choosing one single song and listening to it and it alone. It'll always feel awkward and end prematurely. I can actually pick and choose with the second disc if I feel the desire to; that said...I don't feel the desire to. Ever. It's a mess.
I am so ready for PT to move in a different direction...and given what Jackie and I spoke about a few pages ago, (weird to word that in regards to a frame of time...) I have hopes that it'll at the very least kick the shit out of TI. But just to get something fresh, inspired and different is awesome as it is.
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Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
Fear of a Blank Planet
The Incident
In Absentia
Signify
Stupid Dream
Up the Downstair
The Sky Moves Sideways
On the Sunday of Life...
Really, the Top 9 are all amazing. I still love TSMS
I seem to be one of the few that adore The Incident :heart
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Any chance someone could get the PT survivor running again? It has been over a year since the last one :)
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Is there a waiting list for survivors or do people just start them whenever they want?
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Well, from what I remember, you usually had to ask in advance but it seems to be more laid back now.
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Fear of a Blank Planet
The Sky Moves Sideways
In Absentia
Stupid Dream
Up the Downstair
Signify
Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
The Incident
I would definitely participate in a PT survivor, so if anyone wants to do it, go for it!
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Ranking PT albums is so difficult because it's always changing depending on the last one I've heard, but I think I have their grouping pretty clear now and I doubt that's going to change much:
Fear of a Blank Planet
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Signify
Deadwing
Stupid Dream
In Absentia
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Lightbulb Sun
The Sky Moves Sideways
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The Incident
Up the Downstair
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On The Sunday of Life
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Fear of a Blank Planet
Signify
Deadwing
Stupid Dream
Lightbulb Sun
Up the Downstair
The Sky Moves Sideways
In Absentia
The Incident
On the Sunday of Life
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5 & 6 are essentially tied.
1. In Absentia
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. Deadwing
4. Stupid Dream
5. Signify
6. Fear of a Blank Planet
7. The Incident
8. The Sky Moves Sideways
9. Up The Downstairs
Still need to get the debut and Voyage 34.
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I'm trying to get into PT. I really like Lazarus. I haven't really listened to anything else. Any ideas?
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you've only listened to the song "Lazarus"? Or have you listened to the album Deadwing and that was the only song you really like?
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If you have only listened to Lazarus, then the whole Deadwing album should be your next stop.
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Absolutely.
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Alright, thanks, I'll check out the rest of Deadwing. :tup
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Try In Absentia after that - it's basically the quintessential PT album (although I prefer Fear of a Blank Planet and The Sky Moves Sideways).
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I found it interesting in a recent interview with SW that he wasn't that happy with neither Lightbulb Sun or Deadwing in retrospect, considering how popular they are among most fans.
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Link? That sounds interesting... He's unhappy with them because they are so popular among the fans?
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Those 2 are among my least favorites so it's good to know that Steven shares my opinion :biggrin: Both suffer from including too much filler (How is Your Life Today?, The Rest Will Flow, Shallow, Glass Arm Shattering, etc. - the list goes on) and kind of falling in between 2 masterpieces (SD and IA for LBS, IA and Fear in DW's case). Kind of funny actually, my favorite PT albums are all odd-numbered: FOABP (9), TSMS (3), IA (7), SD (5).
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Oh no, he was more disappointed with them because he found them a bit "patchy".
"I remember thinking that ‘Stupid Dream’ was really good when we did it. I think that I’ve always felt that every other one was good. ‘Stupid Dream’ was great, ‘Lightbulb Sun’ wasn’t; ‘In Absentia’ was great, ‘Deadwing’ was patchy; ‘Fear of a Blank Planet’ was great, ‘The Incident’ wasn’t. It’s like every other album was a step forward."
https://www.examiner.com/article/steven-wilson-reflects-on-his-incredible-career
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That's a very interesting interview. I was particularly thrilled by his hate-tolerate approach to his own songs and records.
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I was surprised by that as well, being that Deadwing and Lightbulb sun are my favorite Porcupine tree albums.
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Great interview. His view towards his own music is fascinating; you can tell he is not one of those artists who listens to his own music for enjoyment, which explains why he has a hard time remembering some of it and whatnot.
I think his comments about Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun somewhat stem from there being specific tracks from each that he has panned before. I know he viewed Shallow as an attempt to write a "big, dumb American rock song," and I remember all of the band not liking The Rest Will Flow, but it making LBS because the record company thought it had hit potential.
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I'm a bit sad that he failed to mention TSMS there. I was curious to know his stance on my second-or-favourite PT album.
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I'm a bit sad that he failed to mention TSMS there. I was curious to know his stance on my second-or-favourite PT album.
https://www.dprp.net/proghistory/index.php?i=1999_01
It's true that during the period of 'The Sky Moves Sideways', I had done a little too much of it in the sense of satisfying, in a way, the fans of Pink Floyd who were listening to us because that group doesn't make albums any more. Moreover, I regret it.
Too bad he thinks that way, because I don't think the similarities to PF are THAT notable, and it's an awesome album.
EDIT: A newer quote from https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/steven_wilson_porcupine_tree_was_gonna_be_a_one-off_thing.html
The Sky Moves Sideways was like a transitional record. It’s not my favorite record. It’s the one where I think I came closest to kind of sounding like too much like the music that I was drawing on from the past. And by that time I think I was more committed to the idea of trying to do something more genuinely progressive in the true sense of the word.
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Nice article. I do agree, though, with his ranking of FOABP, IA, and SD above LS, Deadwing, and TI.
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It doesn't bother me if TSMS might sound a bit Pink Floyd-ish, but it does bother me slightly more on Voyage 34. I mean the song is not bad or anything, but as soon as it starts (the main guitar) I can't think about anything else but "Run Like Hell". :lol
Also, there doesn't really seem to be any big news regarding PT. I know they have always talked about getting together again, but it seems like SW doesn't really know where to go with PT, and he has all these ideas for his solo project, so I think unless he comes up with something really interesting, that he's very passionate about for a new PT, we might not get a new PT album in the nearest future.
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I'm just happy knowing that Wilson knows that TI sucks. I mean, I hope he was just being easy on himself in saying it 'wasn't great'. Yeah. Definitely not great. At all. In any way.
This same topic comes up every few pages and it's always a carbon copy... There is definitely no PT coming for the foreseeable future. No talks. No get-togethers. Not even a hint of information. But it will come; it's just going to be a while. He definitely does not know (or didn't by the time Raven was being written) where they're headed with PT. Maybe another couple years even. I wouldn't be surprised if after this next tour, Wilson takes a break from all things music. He deserves it (although right now he seems to be enjoying it as much as a vacation). He's leaving time for something new; fresh; inspired; great. With his new solo material, I've all but forgotten current-gen PT. Hopefully he can resurrect it after his solo bonanza. Even so, if 'PT' just became 'Wilson', I can't say I'd be all that disappointed with great exception to the fact that the other extremely talented members wouldn't be in on it; they're worth coming back for. I have a nudging feeling though that with all the guys doing their own thing that when they do inevitably sit down to either talk about their future or just write/play, something incredible will happen. Whether it's incredibly good or incredibly bad remains to be seen...
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Interesting that he was outvoted on the release of Octane Twisted.
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Personally I don't think it was that great. I mean I can totally see his view, soundwise it's miles away from Anesthetize or Arriving Somewhere for example, those two sound much better. The setlist is what makes it fairly cool I guess. I'm not the biggest Incident-fan, but having the whole thing live is kinda cool, and some of the CD2-songs are nice as well. It's a solid album but not breathtaking like previous live albums have been.
Regarding a new PT, I hope it comes together. I would be alright with more SW stuff since I think his solo albums are his best work, but PT does have a lot of magic to them, and a new album would make me happy. Personally I feel like SW shares my opinion on the Incident, in the sense that it was the first PT album that didn't really drive the sound forward. It had bits and pieces we recognized from previous PT-albums, but not really "fresh" in the same way.
I would love a more melodic and catchy album. SW has really showed us that many of his best songs are the calmer ones, like "The Raven That Refused to Sing" or "Deform to Form a Star", and as much as I love what he's doing, more songs in that spirit would be amazing. Focus on melodies and a catchy chorus, I wouldn't mind PT doing something more electronic but with acoustic guitars, something vibrant and airy. Maybe they will just announce one day that they're working on a new album, who knows? :hat
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Two thoughts that this page has left me with:
1) We always judge albums as though they were created 100% as the author had envisioned them in his head, with no obstacles and out of 100% burning desire to do it, and honest interviews just prove maybe half of all music is made that way, and that still doesn't guarantee it will be good.
2) Honestly, if I were a real PT fan (a really casual one at the moment), I wouldn't be mad at Wilson for blazing his own trail. He obviously doesn't have any ideas for PT now so would you rather have him make his own music or no music at all? That, and I really hate it when bands turn into artist solo projects. It's like Pain Of Salvation, music is being made under the Pain Of Salvation name but we know it's Daniel-music. It barely has what made them unique, and people declaring they are PoS fans usually follow with a long discourse of their level of like and dislike for the "new" stuff because such dichotomy alienates fans. I like the Road Salts but I would feel much more comfortable with them if they were DG's solo project and if PoS still existed, even if disbanded, as a band entity that once made their own stuff. Not as Daniel and a bunch of dudes whose names and playing styles I barely get to learn before they're replaced with other dudes.
And, you know, PT still does exist so in some years SW might return to them, unlike PoS, where Johan and Kristoffer before all them and Fredrik weren't motivated to stay in the band anymore because it's barely a real band. That's a paradoxal situation - a band which isn't putting out any more albums exists as an entity, and an active band doesn't, but that's how I see it in my head.
tl;dr an artist should always make the music they feel like making, with no constraints, and if they can't find a place for it within the band, they should take it out of the band. That, and there is just so much in a name...
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"I regret the decisions made on TSMS because it sounded too much like old Floyd/psychadelic albums."
*goes on to make a solo album that sounds too much like old prog he grew up with*
:P
I mean they also don't think of LBS as one of their better albums, they can think whatever they want of it. Long as they take out a few of those songs out for the tour. ;)
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Eh, I like The Incident.
"Not as good as some of their other albums" doesn't have to automatically equal "terrible". I know this may be shocking, but there is a middle ground.
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Obviously there is a middle ground, but I think that as a musician, if you consider one album to not be on par with previous albums, you would consider it a disappointment.
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Awesome interview, although I only skimmed the end. Will read the rest later.
I tend to agree with Steven that Stupid Dream > Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia > Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet > The Incident. I would put SD, IA, and FOABP on my Mount Rushmore of Porcupine Tree albums along with probably Lightbulb Sun.
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Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.
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Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.
GENIUS! Beautiful idea.
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Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.
:yarr
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Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.
I don't think I'll ever get the appeal of Deadwing, however it does have two of my favorite PT songs "Melltron" and "Glass Arm".
Mellotron Scratch was actually the first PT song I ever heard, so fucking good.
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I tend to like Deadwing a little bit more than In Absentia (and way less than FOABP), but I don't really like either of the two. They both have very cool songs, but they never managed to blow me away, on any listen.
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It just always struck me as a really solid album with songs that are as great individually as together.
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Am I the only guy who loves Deadwing to pieces and thinks Fear of a Blank Planet is kind of boring?
Willing to bet I am. :lol
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Am I the only guy who loves Deadwing to pieces
No, considering it's one of their most popular albums.
and thinks Fear of a Blank Planet is kind of boring?
Maybe, the album has it's haters, personally I think it's their best by quite a bit.
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Anybody else just love pretty much every song they've ever written? I mean, I like some more than others obviously, but I don't think there are any songs I would even consider average, theyre all so good
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Deadwing is cool, but it's missing that necessary "one song" that blows you away. It is supposed to be Arriving Somewhere but I'm not a fan of that one.
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Deadwing is pretty overrated, it has way too much filler to be in the same league with IA and FOABP - I don't find Shallow, Halo, Open Car and Glass Arm Shattering particularly strong, and even Arriving Somewhere... and TSOSB get much more praise than I would give them.
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Anybody else just love pretty much every song they've ever written? I mean, I like some more than others obviously, but I don't think there are any songs I would even consider average, theyre all so good
Have you listened to On the Sunday of Life?
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Anybody else just love pretty much every song they've ever written? I mean, I like some more than others obviously, but I don't think there are any songs I would even consider average, theyre all so good
Have you listened to On the Sunday of Life?
:lol my thoughts exactly.
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OTSOL gets so much shit it's ridiculous. It's a beautifully insane album with so many different aspects and faces to it. I think it's the most underrated piece of artwork on the planet. I think I feel the same way about TI that you do about OTSOL, Nick. It's laughable to me. I'm not sure how you feel about TI, but I understand where you're coming from.
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OTSOL is not awful, but it isn't THAT good. I think Nostalgia Factory, Nine Cats and Radioactive Toy are all 3 fantastic songs I would love to see in any PT-setlist, but the rest of the album is between good/average. The album as a whole would be 2.5 out of 5 at tops for me.
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I'm about to hear On the Sunday of life for the first time. I've been delaying it for months and months, but it's high time I gave it a chance. Also, I wanted to ask you guys if Voyage 34, Metanoia, Yellow hedgerow dreamscape or any of their early obscure EPs and compilations are worth checking out, what should I give a listen to?
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Voyage 34 - Part 1 is pretty cool. I kinda like Part 2 as well, Part 3 and 4 are just sorta "there". I've listened to it several times and neither of them have stuck with me I guess. If you like Pink Floyd or PT's more PF-sounding stuff it's worth it.
Metanoia - Sounds pretty much like Signify/The Sky Moves Sideways, most of it is instrumental. Maybe even all of it, haven't listened in ages. Lots of improvisational sounding-stuff, cool for background music I guess. Pretty good if you enjoy Signify/TSMS.
Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape - More Psychedelic and "out there". Some pretty interesting stuff on it, and seeing as it will soon be released again, it might be worth checking out if you're into more older PT, OTSOL and UTD.
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OTSOL is not awful, but it isn't THAT good. I think Nostalgia Factory, Nine Cats and Radioactive Toy are all 3 fantastic songs I would love to see in any PT-setlist, but the rest of the album is between good/average. The album as a whole would be 2.5 out of 5 at tops for me.
I mean....it's pretty awful.
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I'm not arguing that it's pretty bad, but it has a few redeeming songs. Also, opinions how do they work!?
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Gotta love those factual opinions.
I love the hell out of it and think most of the songs are top-notch incredible. Kicks the shit out of anything on TI.
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Linton Samuel Dawson > Time Flies right? ;)
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Anybody else just love pretty much every song they've ever written? I mean, I like some more than others obviously, but I don't think there are any songs I would even consider average, theyre all so good
Have you listened to On the Sunday of Life?
Ok so I haven't actually heard that one yet........
I know Nine Cats though, from the acoustic version, which is really good
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Voyage 34 - Part 1 is pretty cool. I kinda like Part 2 as well, Part 3 and 4 are just sorta "there". I've listened to it several times and neither of them have stuck with me I guess. If you like Pink Floyd or PT's more PF-sounding stuff it's worth it.
Metanoia - Sounds pretty much like Signify/The Sky Moves Sideways, most of it is instrumental. Maybe even all of it, haven't listened in ages. Lots of improvisational sounding-stuff, cool for background music I guess. Pretty good if you enjoy Signify/TSMS.
Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape - More Psychedelic and "out there". Some pretty interesting stuff on it, and seeing as it will soon be released again, it might be worth checking out if you're into more older PT, OTSOL and UTD.
V34 Phase II is part of the original (they were one continuous track!) and, imo, just as awesome — i think it's less approachable than Phase I because it has fewer dynamic changes. however, once you get through the ambient section with the Leary samples, the return guitar solo is basically as epic or more than the one in Phase I. huge payoff!
all of Metanoia is instrumental and improv. good background music but it was a collector/fan club release (originally) for a reason.
i really love stuff on OTSOL and YHD myself, but they obviously have glaringly bad skip-tracks. however, the band never made anything even close to touching "Mute," "No Reason to Live, No Reason to Die," "And the Swallows Dance Above the Sun," "Daughters in Excess," "Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape," etc. one could easily make an LP matching the quality of UTD by compiling select tracks from OTSOL and YHD.
i wish SW had made an ambient track using just the opening and closing sitar-based sections of "The Nostalgia Factory." really lovely stuff.
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About to pop in Arriving Somewhere... DVD for the first time. I mean, I've seen clips of it but never in a proper setting or the entirety of it. I am excite. I think I'm gonna watch this blazed out of my mind since these songs will no doubt drudge up some memories if I don't. Pretty lights. Pretty Wilson.
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About to pop in Arriving Somewhere... DVD for the first time. I mean, I've seen clips of it but never in a proper setting or the entirety of it. I am excite. I think I'm gonna watch this blazed out of my mind since these songs will no doubt drudge up some memories if I don't. Pretty lights. Pretty Wilson.
I like everything about that DVD except the editing. Sure, it gives it some interesting flavor, and it never gets as bad as Metropolis 2000, but I much prefer the aesthetic of Anesthetize.
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Funny you say that, I just watched Metropolis 2000 last night and thought that same thing; I don't remember it being so bad but it really is. Quite...cheesy. I don't know if that's the word I'm looking for but it sounds right. I plan on watching Anesthetize later as well but I've seen that; granted, it was a while back and it was once so I'll probably catch things I missed.
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About to pop in Arriving Somewhere... DVD for the first time. I mean, I've seen clips of it but never in a proper setting or the entirety of it. I am excite. I think I'm gonna watch this blazed out of my mind since these songs will no doubt drudge up some memories if I don't. Pretty lights. Pretty Wilson.
Best live DVD ever done, IMO. I thought everything about the presentation of Arriving Somewhere made it feel more like and old school "concert film", and not just a concert released for home video. I find Anesthetize very boring by comparison.
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Innnteresting... I'll have to keep that in mind whilst watching.
Welp, time to:
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and then popping it in. I shall give my very important, vital opinions of this DVD viewing experience whence I returneth! (Actually I'll probably forget and pull an H and this thread won't be seen again for a long time)
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Time to drink a white Russian? :metal
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Shmeohkaboo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfo-c6lQ3w&t=0m14s)
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Is there any SW project that explores the territory that songs like 'Sleep Together', 'The Incident' or the ending of 'Octane Twisted' flirt with? If not, new PT material in that vein would be amazing.
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Not really. I really wish there were more brooding, electronic-based songs ala Sleep Together, but if I never heard another sound off The Incident again I would be all too pleased.
Oh and Arriving Somewhere... is absolutely incredible. I loved every second of it and I'd say it's 'one of my favorite concerts' if I had been there. Alas, I'll have to settle for a digital experience, but it was a wonderful performance. The title piece really pitched me a pants tent.
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I know we've discussed this a million times before, but today I read an interview with Steven in a Finnish magazine, and one thing that struck me was when he talked about PT and used the expression "when I quit Porcupine Tree". I guess I'll finally have to face it that there won't be a new album anytime soon... :sadpanda:
He also talked about prog, as usual, and he said that no progressive music is being created anymore and everything has been done already. His definition of that word seems to change quite often! :lol
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There will be a new PT album. Wilson is far too self-aware and conscience of his work to let TI be the last album. Regardless of anyone else's opinion, Wilson views that album as sub-par (see: his theory on "every other album" being good, with TI being on the bad side) and there's no way he's going to let PT go out with a 'bad' album. I think this is a wonderful thing, not only because I really dislike TI, but also because it's almost a sure thing they will get back together and create some really epic shit circa psychedelic days.
That said, I wouldn't expect any news from PT at all till at least 2014. I just can't see Wilson going 'cold turkey' on his solo career after such amazing success along with the fact that he's still riding that high. Hell, we might get another solo album before PT. But I know we will get another one, no doubt about it. Granted, this is all out of my ass, but my ass foretells the future, you know.
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I do believe PT will get together at some point - that's what Steven himself has said he wants to do -, but looks like "at some point" will be even further down the line than I've expected. As a lot of people have pointed out, he seems to be happy recording and touring with his solo band, so I think there'll be at least one, maybe even a couple of more SW albums before the next PT record.
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I think it's pretty much useless to speculate or guarantee that there will be a new PT-album, or there won't be. SW is one of those musicians who does pretty much whatever he wants to do at the moment. Right now PT is at the bottom of the barrel, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will feel the same in 10 years. And on the contrary, despite PT being his main project for all these years, he really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone by making a new PT-album. He would only do it if he really wants to, or has amazing ideas for where to go next.
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If Steven goes back to his noise/ambient + pop style (a la Insurgentes), I would be ok with him not returning to PT since I'm not able to imagine them doing something much better than FoaBP. If, however, we get a dozen of modern symph/jazz prog albums..
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Cool to hear people are still watching the Arriving Somewhere... DVD. I have it in my collection, as well as Anesthetize.
I was present in Tilburg when Anesthetize was filmed, and to be honest the DVD turned out being much better than how I remember the concert. It was filmed over two nights, and I went to the first. The band was really stale on stage, and the music even suffered sometimes. That said, the DVD is pretty much awesome nonetheless. I remember hearing they were much more on fire during the second night.
I still prefer the Arriving Somewhere.. DVD and I even like the editing. I also think it sounds better. Nothing like the super-low bass in the verses of Hatesong.
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The actual video quality of Anesthetize clearly blows away that of Arriving Somewhere, but otherwise AS is easily the better of the two live sets.
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The actual video quality of Anesthetize clearly blows away that of Arriving Somewhere, but otherwise AS is easily the better of the two live sets.
Well....it's technically clearer. But that's exactly what makes it more sterile to me. The video for Arriving Somewhere is much more entertaining to watch because it just has more of an artistic feel to it...as opposed to just being an exact and clear representation of four guys standing on a stage, which I tend to find fairly boring.
I often find that I don't like watching live DVD's because nothing interesting ever happens. I find AS to be a much more visually entertaining DVD....and probably the only live DVD I ever watch *BECAUSE* of the visuals.
(one exception....in Anesthetize there is one camera shot from directly beneath the toms...that one shot just kicked all kinds of ass, but it was the only visually entertaining shot in the entire video to my eyes)
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Oh, I agree with all of that, which is why I was commenting solely on the actual video quality. I think the camera angles, effects, and editing on AS are all superior to that of Anesthetize and make it much more appealing to watch as well.
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I like Anesthetize more. Don't know why.
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I like Anesthetize more. Don't know why.
probably the lack of Windows Movie Maker effect filters!
i find Anesthetize has a far superior audio mix and setlist, too.
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If I had to pick I would say Anesthetize. FOABP is my favorite PT-album, the Nil Recurring songs are awesome, and add to that songs from Signify, and songs like Half-Light and Drown With Me. Just amazing.
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See, FoaBP is one of my lesser PT albums, whereas Deadwing is one of my favorites. And while the sound of Anesthetize probably has an edge AS is still stellar in that department, and so the better setlist and much better to watch video makes it the much better live set in my opinion.
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If I had to pick I would say Anesthetize. FOABP is my favorite PT-album, the Nil Recurring songs are awesome, and add to that songs from Signify, and songs like Half-Light and Drown With Me. Just amazing.
Same for me, plus I dislike the AS video effects. I just like watching them in glorious HD without silly effects giving me a headache.
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See, FoaBP is one of my lesser PT albums, whereas Deadwing is one of my favorites. And while the sound of Anesthetize probably has an edge AS is still stellar in that department, and so the better setlist and much better to watch video makes it the much better live set in my opinion.
I agree with you.
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I like Anesthetize more. Don't know why.
probably the lack of Windows Movie Maker effect filters!
i find Anesthetize has a far superior audio mix and setlist, too.
See I actually prefer Deadwing to FoaBP, but I still like Anesthetize more. Probably due to as you mentioned, the filters are pretty lame in AS and the audio mix in Anesthetize just slays AS.
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See, FoaBP is one of my lesser PT albums, whereas Deadwing is one of my favorites. And while the sound of Anesthetize probably has an edge AS is still stellar in that department, and so the better setlist and much better to watch video makes it the much better live set in my opinion.
I agree with all of this.
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I received my copy of Coma Divine in the mail today and it's just awesome! :metal Although the song extensions and jams DT have done on their live albums have never really interested me that much, I like how PT made the songs different from the studio versions; I especially enjoyed Signify, TSMS and Dislocated Day. Moonloop is also much better than the ovelong version from the TSMS reissue.
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Personally, I find FOABP to be lightyears ahead of Deadwing.
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Personally, I find FOABP to be lightyears ahead of Deadwing.
Me too. On FOABP there's not a single song I would call weak or just ok, whereas a lot of stuff on Deadwing falls into those categories.
I haven't seen Arriving Somewhere, but judging by the setlist and the clips I've seen there's no way it could beat Anesthetize.
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Deadwing is by far my favorite Porcupine Tree album, I can never get through FoaBP
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Personally, I find FOABP to be lightyears ahead of Deadwing.
Me too. On FOABP there's not a single song I would call weak or just ok, whereas a lot of stuff on Deadwing falls into those categories.
I haven't seen Arriving Somewhere, but judging by the setlist and the clips I've seen there's no way it could beat Anesthetize.
I'm not a big fan of the dvd honestly but I do love the set list, gets played a ton on my ipod.
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Deadwing=FoaBP each one has something I really enjoy. Sometimes I feel for the lighthearted Deadwing and then I'll crave so. Dark dense FoaBP.
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I'm not a big fan of the dvd honestly but I do love the set list, gets played a ton on my ipod.
It's not a bad setlist by any means, but there's a lot of great SD-DW era stuff that wasn't played (where's Gravity motherfucking Eyelids?!) and it's hard to compete with a set that includes FOABP in full, Dark Matter etc. Actually I'd say even the Coma Divine tracklist is better! But as I said, I haven't watched Arriving Somewhere, so I need to get it some day.
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Arriving Somewhere... definitely has the better and more well-rounded set list, and Anesthetize is not helped by having several less than stellar live performances (Dark Matter, because of Wesley's butchering of the first solo; Drown with Me, simply because it is impossible to do the chorus justice live because of all of those layered vocals; etc.). AS... is just a better set and a better performance, IMO.
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Arriving Somewhere... definitely has the better and more well-rounded set list, and Anesthetize is not helped by having several less than stellar live performances (Dark Matter, because of Wesley's butchering of the first solo; Drown with Me, simply because it is impossible to do the chorus justice live because of all of those layered vocals; etc.). AS... is just a better set and a better performance, IMO.
Dont forget the epic string break.
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I don't mind Wesley's Dark Matter solo. I dislike his Anesthetize one though. Even if I didn't like the Dark Matter one though, Steven pulls off the second (the one that truly matters) fucking magnificently.
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I never even noticed anything wrong with the solo until you just brought it up.
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I did, it ruins my favorite PT song ever in my favorite PT show ever.
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I didn't care that much for how Dark Matter came out on the live version. It's not horrible, but I feel like it lost some magic that the studio version has. The guitar riff after the "I am I know"-part just sounded sterile and too dominant in contrast to the rest of the song (in particular the keyboards), I would have preferred if they did that more similar to the studio version, with the keyboards building the main-melody instead or whatever.
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Maybe the power chords are a bit out of place in the "I am, I know" part, but overall it's a good rendition IMO. It can't beat the amazing album version though.
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Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape on CD, gaiz
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/headphonedust/porcupine-tree-yellow-hedgerow-dreamscape-cd/
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Oh yes.
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Only in the UK store. Came out to $22.69 USD with the standard shipping.
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I still want you to put Felix's penis on me.
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A few lol-worthy captioned pics:
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On the topic of YHD, I won't be getting it, since I'm not a completionist.
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I'm actually less excited for YHD than I thought I would be. Not even sure if I'll pick it up on CD. I mean, it's fine musically. Not bad, not amazing, but the only reason I would get it really would be to have another SW release physically. And frankly there's a lot of other music products I would get over it at this time.
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Same here. If I get it, it will be for completist's sake. I rarely listen to any PT material pre-The Sky Moves Sideways, and assuming most of this stuff is in the same vein as the On the Sunday of Life material, I doubt I'd listen to it much. Will depend on the price, I suppose.
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Well, I'm getting it because I've never heard it and have always been curious :D
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The song YHD alone is better than most of their recent material.
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A few lol-worthy captioned pics:
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqu2lg26GC1qcjgqro1_1280.jpg)
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On the topic of YHD, I won't be getting it, since I'm not a completionist.
Yes! :lol
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loving the inclusion of "Out" instead of the Prince cover from the original CD. a reason to buy!
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Well, after checking out the song Mute on YT, I might have to buy this. :lol
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I'm finally getting into PT big time. I've always known some songs and appreciated them for what they were, but over the last week, In Absentia has clicked with me in a way that it never did before. Blackest Eyes, Lips of Ashes, Heartattack in a Layby, The Creator Has a Mastertape, Strip the Soul, Collapse the Light into Earth = :hefdaddy.
I guess this means revisiting the albums that I've previously known (Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet) and branching out into their older stuff. Feels good!
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Great to hear man, enjoy the ride!
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Great to hear man, enjoy the ride!
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I'm finally getting into PT big time. I've always known some songs and appreciated them for what they were, but over the last week, In Absentia has clicked with me in a way that it never did before. Blackest Eyes, Lips of Ashes, Heartattack in a Layby, The Creator Has a Mastertape, Strip the Soul, Collapse the Light into Earth = :hefdaddy.
I guess this means revisiting the albums that I've previously known (Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet) and branching out into their older stuff. Feels good!
Well, since you're in the latter-end of the band's career, you should check out The Incident while you're there, then work your way backwards.
Definitely listen to Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream, two of my favorite albums of theirs. After that, anything before then is up to you, but from SD onward, it's all essential listening, although I would say most of The Sky Moves Sideways and half of Signify is good, too.
-Marc.
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I'm finally getting into PT big time. I've always known some songs and appreciated them for what they were, but over the last week, In Absentia has clicked with me in a way that it never did before. Blackest Eyes, Lips of Ashes, Heartattack in a Layby, The Creator Has a Mastertape, Strip the Soul, Collapse the Light into Earth = :hefdaddy.
I guess this means revisiting the albums that I've previously known (Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet) and branching out into their older stuff. Feels good!
Well, since you're in the latter-end of the band's career, you should check out The Incident while you're there, then work your way backwards.
Definitely listen to Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream, two of my favorite albums of theirs. After that, anything before then is up to you, but from SD onward, it's all essential listening, although I would say most of The Sky Moves Sideways and half of Signify is good, too.
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Yeah, make sure you get The Sky Moves Sideways. Up the Downstair is also fantastic, IMO. If you get the newest version of UtD, then you get the Staircase Infinities EP along with it on disc 2, which is also great.
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I think Voyage 34 gets overlooked way too often. It's instrumental...but it really kicks some major booty.
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I think Voyage 34 gets overlooked way too often. It's instrumental...but it really kicks some major booty.
Yes sire, it sure does :tup
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I think Voyage 34 gets overlooked way too often. It's instrumental...but it really kicks some major booty.
I like voyage 34 but rarely listen to it, I just can't get that PF riff out of my head.
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Yeah, make sure you get The Sky Moves Sideways. Up the Downstair is also fantastic, IMO. If you get the newest version of UtD, then you get the Staircase Infinities EP along with it on disc 2, which is also great.
Love for TSMS and UTD? :hifive:
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Just finished my second listen to Fear Of A Blank Planet. It's my first PT album, but I'm seriously impressed :tup
Standout tracks so far for me are the title track, Anesthetize and Way Out Of Here.
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It was my first PT album as well and got me hooked on them :metal
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Just finished my second listen to Fear Of A Blank Planet. It's my first PT album, but I'm seriously impressed :tup
Standout tracks so far for me are the title track, Anesthetize and Way Out Of Here.
I never bought the album, just the live bluray. Those were my standout tracks as well. Way Out Of Here is just great, I like the chorus.
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Fear Of A Blank Planet is my favorite PT album, and Way Out Of Here is my favorite from it, but I don't really like the version on the Anesthetize DVD. The chorus sounds so much better when SW sings it.
Understand, I have nothing against John Wesley. I like him a lot, and have two of his albums, but that chorus was meant to be sung by Steven Wilson, in my opinion, anyway.
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I just ordered Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun. Can't wait for them to arrive :tup
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It was my first PT album as well and got me hooked on them :metal
My first PT album was a really bad choice. Like REALLY bad choice. My first album was On The Sunday Of Life. :rollin
BUT FOABP was my second one since that was the newest at the time. And I really liked it.
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Mine was In Absentia. Not my favorite anymore, but definitely a solid beginning.
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Mine was In Absentia. Not my favorite anymore, but definitely a solid beginning.
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Mine was In Absentia. Not my favorite anymore, but definitely a solid beginning.
Blackest Eyes must have been badass for a beginner. :metal
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I decided to change my order and added Deadwing to it. The awesomeness of Arriving Somewhere But Not Here forced me to do so.
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Mine was In Absentia. Not my favorite anymore, but definitely a solid beginning.
Blackest Eyes must have been badass for a beginner. :metal
can't say it was for me, but "Trains" -> "Lips of Ashes" and "Heartattack" -> "Strip the Soul," that's what sold me.
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I decided to change my order and added Deadwing to it. The awesomeness of Arriving Somewhere But Not Here forced me to do so.
You have chosen wisely.
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I hope so. What do you guys think about the other two albums I ordered (Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun)?
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I actually haven't heard either, so I can't comment.
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Mine was In Absentia. Not my favorite anymore, but definitely a solid beginning.
Blackest Eyes must have been badass for a beginner. :metal
can't say it was for me, but "Trains" -> "Lips of Ashes" and "Heartattack" -> "Strip the Soul," that's what sold me.
As a whole, Strip the Soul drags that whole album experience down for me. (well...and maybe the last minute of Wedding Nails) I love the first half of Strip the Soul...but I *hate* the second half. My favorite version of the song is the one from Anesthetize...where it blends into .3 at the halfway point. BLISS!!
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I hope so. What do you guys think about the other two albums I ordered (Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun)?
Two of a perfect pair, IMO. These two are sibling albums in my eyes, and if you love them, definitely get their little sibling release of Recordings, a compilation that is almost album-length of songs left over from the sessions of those two studio albums.
Between all 3, there is some of the best works by PT and they should not be missed by any PT fan, new or old.
-Marc.
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I hope so. What do you guys think about the other two albums I ordered (Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun)?
They're two of my favorites. Lightbulb Sun was my first Porcupine Tree album and my initial reaction wasn't too good. I liked some of it, but found other parts boring. It really clicked after three listens or so. Russia on Ice is one of my favorites and the whole album is incredible strong.
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I hope so. What do you guys think about the other two albums I ordered (Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun)?
Two of a perfect pair, IMO. These two are sibling albums in my eyes, and if you love them, definitely get their little sibling release of Recordings, a compilation that is almost album-length of songs left over from the sessions of those two studio albums.
Between all 3, there is some of the best works by PT and they should not be missed by any PT fan, new or old.
-Marc.
Agreed 110%. I usually listen to them both as one album. And Recordings is fantabulous... (I love the long version of Even Less :heart )
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:caffeine:
Excited. Although I'm looking forward to Deadwing even more.
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I don't care too much about LBS and Deadwing, but Stupid Dream is incredible and one of my favorite PT albums.
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Hm, your avatar ;D
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Lightbulb Sun and Deadwing are my favorites.
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Lightbulb Sun is probably my least favorite PT album (not counting OTSOL). It's still really fantastic...but it contains 2 or 3 of my least favorite PT songs. Don't really care for Four Chords....or Where We Would Be....or the first half of Russia On Ice.
OTOH, it does contain several all time PT favorites. Hatesong steals the show for the entire album....that's an all time top 10 PT song, Last Chance and the title track are amazing as well. And Feel So Low is my all time #1 favorite PT closer.
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I don't listen much to PT anymore, but FOABP will probably always be my favorite. There's a lot of very solid albums after that too.
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Mellotron is the first song I heard (which I fell in love with and it's in my top 5 PT songs) but IA was the first album I listened to. Still my favorite PT release. I fall in love with other albums but IA is very consistent.
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Deadwing's one of those albums where I keep forgetting how much I like it because I listen to the other post-Stupid Dream albums so much more. But I revisited it a few weeks back and gained a little mini-obsession with Open Car. It's funny how you can hear a song so many times but once in a while, it will just hit you in a way you wouldn't expect.
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I don't listen much to PT anymore, but FOABP will probably always be my favorite. There's a lot of very solid albums after that too.
Ummm...ya. Exactly ONE of them. :angel: ;D
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:lol :lol
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Deadwing's one of those albums where I keep forgetting how much I like it because I listen to the other post-Stupid Dream albums so much more. But I revisited it a few weeks back and gained a little mini-obsession with Open Car. It's funny how you can hear a song so many times but once in a while, it will just hit you in a way you wouldn't expect.
Open Car is a fucking awesome song. Sure there's better songs, but it's utterly fantastic. Love the chorus to death.
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Out of interest: can you tell me something about the pre-Stupid Dream material? I know what kind of "sound" their later albums and the SD/LBS era have, but what about the early ones? And which one(s) of those do you recommend?
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A lot of electronic elements.
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All of them but OTSOL. You don't really NEED to hear that one, but at least listen to Nine Cats and Radioactive Toy
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Pink Floyd meets Electornic meets Tape-experiments meets...a crap-ton of things that were influencing SW in the late 80's/early 90's.
I'd say, after you've digested everything from SD-onward, work your way backwards starting with Signify, which was truly their first full-band effort and less of an SW-with-guests under the moniker of Porcupine Tree. Then again, PT's first "album" was mostly SW anyway, but he still counts it.
-Marc.
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Lately I've been giving Stupid Dream more of a chance that I previously had; it's really clicking now. Signify though...I dunno, I don't like his spacey psychedelic phase.
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Alright, thanks for the information, I think I'll give In Absentia and The Incident a try before I move on to the early stuff.
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Deadwing's one of those albums where I keep forgetting how much I like it because I listen to the other post-Stupid Dream albums so much more. But I revisited it a few weeks back and gained a little mini-obsession with Open Car. It's funny how you can hear a song so many times but once in a while, it will just hit you in a way you wouldn't expect.
Open Car is a fucking awesome song. Sure there's better songs, but it's utterly fantastic. Love the chorus to death.
It's the way that "Being(?) with you is Hell" line hits that sealed it for me. Love that. :metal
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Lately I've been giving Stupid Dream more of a chance that I previously had; it's really clicking now. Signify though...I dunno, I don't like his spacey psychedelic phase.
Their Pre-SD era took me awhile, too, to get used to. I've always enjoyed The Sky Moves Sideways the most out of their first 4 studio albums. I also happen to listen to these albums with their "companion" LPs/EPs as well...
On The Sunday Of Life + Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape
Up The Downstair + Staircase Infinities
Signify + Insignificance + Metanoia
There's just so much material that DIDN'T make the early albums that I usually lump those companion albums with their related studio albums to get the full experience of their earlier (and sometimes later) material.
-Marc.
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Here we go again (out of the ones I actually have, anyway):
Deadwing
Stupid Dream
In Absentia
Lightbulb Sun
Fear of a Blank Planet
The Incident
The Sky Moves Sideways
Signify
I know I'm missing a LOT.
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What exactly is the problem with The Incident that it's so unpopular?
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The Incident is my first PT album, so I do love it, but from what I gather, most longtime fans were tiring of the "metal" angle that PT had been doing during the last decade, and TI wasn't really doing anything to set itself apart from previous releases. Combine that with Time Flies sounding more like a rip-off of Pink Floyd songs than an homage and it's a so-so album for a lot of people.
Like I said, though, I really do love it. Disc 2 not so much, but yeah...
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For me, at least, it had the misfortune of following up Fear OF A Blank Planet, one of my favorite albums.
I've grown to appreciate it a bit more, but it feels just a bit uninspired. I know that's just a matter of opinion, but I think it has some credence, with Steven putting PT on hold following it.
But, that's just my opinion. It's quite a good album, just not really on par with their best works.
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Deadwing
Fear
Stupid Dream
Lightbulb Sun
Signify
Incident
I haven't listened to anything pre - Signify enough to rate
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Deadwing
Fear of a Blank Planet
In Absentia
The Incident
Lightbulb Sun
Stupid Dream
Signify
Up the Downstair
The Sky Moves Sideways
On the Sunday of Life
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It will more than likely be universally disagreed with, but On The Sunday of Life is a must-listen if you want to experience what Wilson expanded upon with and how PT gets its truly psychedelic start. Duffy's lyrics are among the most creative and insightful lyrics I've ever had the pleasure of listening to and while the music is highly inconsistent, it's one of the things I love about it. Certainly one of the most diverse albums in existence; I really love most of the tracks. But again, I'm pretty much the only one with that opinion, which is fine; but anyone starting out with PT should really at least give it a shot and/or force yourself to listen to it if only for the experience if the music itself isn't your thing. It's a trip.
I personally thought The Incident was bland, boring, repetitive and highly drawn out. Not only was I tiring of the metal aspect of PT by the point TI was released, but the whole 'song cycle' (or for that matter, 'concept albums') pushed me over the edge. I really cannot stand most of the album and it truly pains me to admit that every time because I haven't disliked a single thing from Wilson and company; but that album is one glaring exception. I've given it many chances and time after time I have to admit that it's simply not for me. Some great moments, but few and far between and the fact that I feel as if I have to listen to the whole damn thing lest each song feel out of place and random is a huge turn-off. That is one of the reasons why I dislike most concept albums. I like to be able to pick and chose a song to listen to at a moments notice, and that's very difficult to do with a concept album, let alone a huge 'song cycle'. I do really love the title track and The Seance though. That's...about it...
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I've grown to appreciate it a bit more, but it feels just a bit uninspired. I know that's just a matter of opinion, but I think it has some credence, with Steven putting PT on hold following it.
But, that's just my opinion. It's quite a good album, just not really on par with their best works.
this is pretty much how I feel about The Incident as well. Uninspired seems to be the best descriptor I can put on it, even though it is quite good in places.
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Perfect word to use... It does feel absolutely uninspired.
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Yes it does feel uninspired. And it only has maybe 2 great tracks (Time Flies and Remember Me Lover) in the many tracks on it.
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Hm, your avatar ;D
I took it from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqAFXG-KlQU) as a kind of compromise, because this pic looked funnier than the Signify one and someone was using the original In Absentia cover here, so I thought the Photoshopeth'd version might not look different enough when it's so small.
Regarding the early stuff, I haven't heard OTSOL, but Up the Downstair and The Sky Moves Sideways are awesome and Signify has a lot of great songs, although some filler tracks make it a bit weaker than the aforementioned two albums.
"Uninspired" is a good adjective to describe The Incident. It doesn't offer anything new and the previous three albums did the same things better. The first disc is also broken down to so many short tracks that don't work when listened to on their own and even as part of the album they are really meh. The Incident is easily the weakest PT album I've heard and it was a smart decision to take a break afterwards, although I think PT could come back now.
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I like pretty much everything on The Incident except Flicker and Black Dahlia.
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this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqAFXG-KlQU)
Some of those I hadn't seen before, amazing stuff :lol :lol
And one of my favourite Opeth songs as well :metal
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I like pretty much everything on The Incident except Flicker and Black Dahlia.
Good gawd this.
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I highly recommend Signify if we're talking pre-Stupid Dream material. Second best PT-album imo, and has some really brilliant tunes, and their best song. (Dark Matter) Up the Downstair is another really great album, and The Sky Moves Sideways feels very Pink Floyd inspired, and is also really good.
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The Incident is my first PT album, so I do love it, but from what I gather, most longtime fans were tiring of the "metal" angle that PT had been doing during the last decade, and TI wasn't really doing anything to set itself apart from previous releases. Combine that with Time Flies sounding more like a rip-off of Pink Floyd songs than an homage and it's a so-so album for a lot of people.
Like I said, though, I really do love it. Disc 2 not so much, but yeah...
Actually Time Flies is the only track I like off that album, apart from Kneel and Disconnect. I just found it was OK but there was nothing standout about it. Thinking back, I did grade it too harshly; it should at least be above FoaBP.
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I like pretty much everything on The Incident except Flicker and Black Dahlia.
Good gawd this.
This, but I love Black Dahlia; it's probably one of my favourites from the album. Not a huge fan of Flicker.
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Thinking back, I did grade it too harshly; it should at least be above FoaBP.
What's not to like about FOABP?
Couldn't wait till next week so I've started listening to Deadwing on Spotify. Sounds excellent so far (NP: Mellotron Scratch).
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Thinking back, I did grade it too harshly; it should at least be above FoaBP.
What's not to like about FOABP?
Couldn't wait till next week so I've started listening to Deadwing on Spotify. Sounds excellent so far (NP: Mellotron Scratch).
It's a very boring album. Some nice melodies here and there, but nothing that sticks. The first half of Anesthetize is the only thing I can stand to listen to anymore.
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I like pretty much everything on The Incident except Flicker and Black Dahlia.
This is the correct opinion.
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Thinking back, I did grade it too harshly; it should at least be above FoaBP.
What's not to like about FOABP?
Couldn't wait till next week so I've started listening to Deadwing on Spotify. Sounds excellent so far (NP: Mellotron Scratch).
It's a very boring album. Some nice melodies here and there, but nothing that sticks. The first half of Anesthetize is the only thing I can stand to listen to anymore.
That's really interesting. Apart from some parts in Sleep Together, I think it's exceptional.
Of course I can't really compare it to other PT albums (yet).
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Oh snap forgot In Absentia in my rating... it goes up just under Fear...
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I see nothing wrong with FOABP. It's pretty much a flawless album in my eyes.
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The Incident > Fear of a Blank Planet.
That's right. Both are great, but The Incident is just a little bit better.
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The Incident > Fear of a Blank Planet.
That's right. Both are great, but The Incident is just a little bit better.
-gasp-
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The Incident > Fear of a Blank Planet.
That's right. Both are great, but The Incident is just a little bit better.
Maybe if you compare the first disc of TI to FOABP, since both are basically perfect. But disc 2 drags it down.
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Thinking back, I did grade it too harshly; it should at least be above FoaBP.
What's not to like about FOABP?
Musically it's not bad but lyrically it's borderline atrocious. I'm probably in a minority here but I find Nil Recurring a much better, more concise listen for material that came out of that recording session.
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Musically it's boring and lyrically it's atrocious. And you're not in the minority as to Nil Recurring. I think that should've been the album.
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Nil Recurring is indeed awesome, although I do not share the previous poster's thoughts about FOABP.
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I like the lyrics to Fear Of A Blank Planet.
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Listened to FoaBP earlier today. I don't know what you're talking about :metal
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I used to not like FoaBP as much, now that's completely changed. Sleep Together and Anesthetize are both amongst their best songs. Still think Nil Recurring is possibly better though.
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My only beef with FOABP is still that the title track is not that great. I mean, it's enjoyable, but PT probably has 70-75 songs that are better, and kicking off the album with such an average (by PT standards) song makes it hard for me to rate it higher than the albums that start off with songs that are much better, and are also just as good, if not better, the rest of the way.
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I really enjoy the titled track (well not as much as I used to)... it was THE song that made me interested in PT and finally break down and check them out.
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I really enjoy the titled track (well not as much as I used to)... it was THE song that made me interested in PT and finally break down and check them out.
Same here.
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My buddy burned me a copy of FoaBT and it sat there for months. I'd listen to the title track and get bored and turn it off. One day I said fuck it and played it all the way through and :heart
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I really enjoy the titled track (well not as much as I used to)... it was THE song that made me interested in PT and finally break down and check them out.
This is true for me as well. I really liked the almost rap-like quality it had.
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My only beef with FOABP is still that the title track is not that great. I mean, it's enjoyable, but PT probably has 70-75 songs that are better, and kicking off the album with such an average (by PT standards) song makes it hard for me to rate it higher than the albums that start off with songs that are much better, and are also just as good, if not better, the rest of the way.
I actually think the title track is one of the highlights of the entire album, and probably one of, if not THE best album opener of their entire catalog. I've turned many people on to PT, and this track was often the first one that really "hooked" them. I will usually open up my mix CD's with this song because of how strong it is.
It's not just the quality of the song itself, it's the message that resonates. It's something extremely relatable. We see this problem in society everywhere we look. Even if you're not a part of it, you see it...so you instantly relate to what the song is talking about.
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It's a very boring album. Some nice melodies here and there, but nothing that sticks.
That's how I feel about The Incident.
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It's a very boring album. Some nice melodies here and there, but nothing that sticks.
That's how I feel about The Incident.
I agree about TI. When I hear it, I hear some amazing things. But it doesn't really have anything that really sticks with you.
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I would say FOABP (the song) musically is fantastic. It's the lyrics that has some issues (and you could say this about most of the album if you are picky), but I'd say it's their best album by far. It doesn't have any filler-songs, which most of the other albums has. (The filler songs doesn't have to be bad, just sorta meh)
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I agree with the love for the title track. It, along with Piano Lessons, got me into Porcupine Tree. It's a 10/10 song.
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It's a very boring album. Some nice melodies here and there, but nothing that sticks.
That's how I feel about The Incident.
I would say on the whole I also feel that way, the exceptions again being Kneel and Disconnect and Time Flies, and even that is more a matter of "better than everything else" than excellent on their own.
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It's a very boring album. Some nice melodies here and there, but nothing that sticks.
That's how I feel about The Incident.
I would say on the whole I also feel that way, the exceptions again being Kneel and Disconnect and Time Flies, and even that is more a matter of "better than everything else" than excellent on their own.
Yeah the piano in Kneel and Disconnect is beautiful. Shame it's so short.
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It's not just the quality of the song itself, it's the message that resonates. It's something extremely relatable. We see this problem in society everywhere we look. Even if you're not a part of it, you see it...so you instantly relate to what the song is talking about.
I get the message the song is trying to send but it comes across as if it was written by a curmudgeon with no real grasp on what they are writing about. Wilson's made his opinions about this type of subject matter before but for some reason it really comes off exaggerated and borderline cringeworthy.
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The package with Deadwing, Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun arrived today.
Deadwing was absolutely awesome. I didn't really enjoy the other two though, apart from the last three songs on LBS, which were pretty nice.
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Stupid Dream will probably grow on you, maybe LBS too :)
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Really? Well, PT's pre - In Absentia takes more time to digest, IMO. Actually, Lightbulb Sun is my favorite PT record because it's extremely personal to me. Their last 4 are absolutely mindblowing (IA, Deadwing, FOABP, Incident), but there's a super peculiar quality in their earlier albums that is magical... (and by earlier albums I'm refering to Signify onwards, their first records are not for everyone :lol although I enjoy them from time to time.)
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Yes, I hope they will grow on me, they just did nothing to me in the first listen :smiley:
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They are a bit amateurish, but they'll grow on you.
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Stupid Dream will probably grow on you, maybe LBS too :)
yep - don't give up on that one
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And why should I give up on LBS? :P
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You shouldn't give up, but LBS is still one of my least favorite PT albums, although I've given it many chances.
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You shouldn't give up, but LBS is still one of my least favorite PT albums, although I've given it many chances.
That explains your avatar :neverusethis:
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The story behind it:
I took it from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqAFXG-KlQU) as a kind of compromise, because this pic looked funnier than the Signify one and someone was using the original In Absentia cover here, so I thought the Photoshopeth'd version might not look different enough when it's so small.
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Honestly, LBS's first impression was much better than Stupid Dream's. But that's just the first impression, so it doesn't really mean anything.
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Lightbulb Sun is definitely a grower, trust me.
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Stupid Dream actually had the best first impression on me. Sometimes I argue it might be my favourite by them even today. I'm in love with every track. And Baby Dream in Cellophane is their most underrated song imo.
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I always thought Deadwing was a very forgettable album. It has a couple of my favorite songs on there (Glass Arm Shattering, Mellotron Scratch) but the rest of the album is a very big meh.
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Even Arriving Somewhere But Not Here?
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I always thought Deadwing was a very forgettable album. It has a couple of my favorite songs on there (Glass Arm Shattering, Mellotron Scratch) but the rest of the album is a very big meh.
Now, this is a controversial opinion.
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Yeah I never though Deadwing was THAT great. It's okay but there are better albums.
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I used to think the world of Porcupine Tree, but as I left Progressive music behind me a bit more to dive into other genres, that feeling of PT being one of the most special bands in the world has really vanished. They still have a lot of good stuff, but I used to think albums like Deadwing, In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun were amazing, but now it's pretty much just "good" albums. I still think FOABP holds up really well, but most of their other albums has some pretty average songs (not bad, but not amazing), even though there's still a lot of amazing stuff as well.
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Same, though if stuff like Phase I/II or Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape comes on shuffle I almost always need to listen to it.
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I used to think the world of Porcupine Tree, but as I left Progressive music behind me a bit more to dive into other genres, that feeling of PT being one of the most special bands in the world has really vanished. They still have a lot of good stuff, but I used to think albums like Deadwing, In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun were amazing, but now it's pretty much just "good" albums. I still think FOABP holds up really well, but most of their other albums has some pretty average songs (not bad, but not amazing), even though there's still a lot of amazing stuff as well.
Same, I think FOABP is the only truly amazing thing they've done, and I'm using that word with reservation. It's funny, though, how we can think a band is incredibly at one point and later think of them as just OK.
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It's interesting but probably not uncommon if you tend to listen to a lot of different music styles.
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The above opinion is pretty much how I feel about DT today, but my love for PT has not really faded at all :heart
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Yeah I'm moving away from the prog world a bit but my love for PT hasn't faded even a bit.
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Yeah I'm moving away from the prog world a bit but my love for PT hasn't faded even a bit.
I've moved far away from the prog world a long time ago but PT is still the only, more recent prog band I listen to. Hard to explain why I like them so much but I think it's because the music is, for lack of a better term, more relatable than say DT's music. PT's songs come off as a completely thought, whereas I feel like a lot of other prog songs (at least in my collection) are pieced together.
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Yeah I never though Deadwing was THAT great. It's okay but there are better albums.
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Finished my second listen about 30 mintutes ago, I love it :P :lol
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I still have fond memories of PT but can't stand Steven Wilson as a person since he lost interest in PT, and his distancing himself from PT and his output post PT hasn't interested me in the slightest, particularly what I perceive to be his subtle antagonism towards anything PT nowadays. At this stage I would actually prefer more PT than anything SW does on his own. In my opinion the other members of PT were just as vital as SW to the overall chemistry and output of the band, and I am really turned off by the image, style, content and musicians SW is now moving forwards with.
I recognize that this opinion of mine is definitely in the minority on these forums, and that to post anything other than praise for SW's latest solo releases is ignored.
I will say that Drive Home is a song that I very much enjoyed :)
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I haven't noticed Steven express any kind of antagonism towards PT; if anything, he seemed really proud of Stupid Dream, In Absentia and FOABP in some interview where he was looking back on his career.
I'd love to get a new PT album, but Steven does what he wants and I hope he won't force himself to make new PT music if he isn't in the right state of mind. TRTRTS is a good album and a huge improvement over Grace for Drowning, which I find a bit boring, so I'm not concerned about the future of his career.
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^^ this. Except I haven't heard GFD.
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Raven was a bit more "meh", but GFD and Insurgentes are possibly the two best albums he made. (GFD being the best without a doubt)
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Heh, for me Raven absolutely demolishes GFD and Insurgentes and is possibly better than the whole PT discog.
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I'd put Raven up there at the top. Probably not THE top but it's up there. GFD would be somewhere near the bottom and Insurgentes is sitting smack in the middle.
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I haven't heard The Raven, but Grace For Drowning is freaking incredible.
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I haven't heard The Raven, but Grace For Drowning is freaking incredible.
you need to remedy this
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I may not think PT is the best thing since sliced bread anymore, but hey, Deadwing is a solid album. It passes the 35th listen test for me.
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I haven't heard The Raven, but Grace For Drowning is freaking incredible.
Grace for Drowning is one of my top 10 albums of all time, Raven didn't quite make it that high but it's still an amazing album. Marco Minnemann's drumming is other-wordly.
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Just a little post to say I just "got" the title of this thread. :D
As you were...
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I used to think the world of Porcupine Tree, but as I left Progressive music behind me a bit more to dive into other genres, that feeling of PT being one of the most special bands in the world has really vanished. They still have a lot of good stuff, but I used to think albums like Deadwing, In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun were amazing, but now it's pretty much just "good" albums. I still think FOABP holds up really well, but most of their other albums has some pretty average songs (not bad, but not amazing), even though there's still a lot of amazing stuff as well.
im pretty sure zantera does this with all of zantera's "favorite" bands. wont be long before the likes of amplifier and anathema will be outside zantera's top 20 "favorite" bands. little more than a year ago, the smashing pumpkins catapulted to zantera's top 3 or some isht, and i wouldnt be surprised if theyre a distant memory within another year or so.
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I used to think the world of Porcupine Tree, but as I left Progressive music behind me a bit more to dive into other genres, that feeling of PT being one of the most special bands in the world has really vanished. They still have a lot of good stuff, but I used to think albums like Deadwing, In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun were amazing, but now it's pretty much just "good" albums. I still think FOABP holds up really well, but most of their other albums has some pretty average songs (not bad, but not amazing), even though there's still a lot of amazing stuff as well.
im pretty sure zantera does this with all of zantera's "favorite" bands. wont be long before the likes of amplifier and anathema will be outside zantera's top 20 "favorite" bands. little more than a year ago, the smashing pumpkins catapulted to zantera's top 3 or some isht, and i wouldnt be surprised if theyre a distant memory within another year or so.
Hahaha, okay, so it's not just me who noticed that. :lol :biggrin:
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I used to think the world of Porcupine Tree, but as I left Progressive music behind me a bit more to dive into other genres, that feeling of PT being one of the most special bands in the world has really vanished. They still have a lot of good stuff, but I used to think albums like Deadwing, In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun were amazing, but now it's pretty much just "good" albums. I still think FOABP holds up really well, but most of their other albums has some pretty average songs (not bad, but not amazing), even though there's still a lot of amazing stuff as well.
im pretty sure zantera does this with all of zantera's "favorite" bands. wont be long before the likes of amplifier and anathema will be outside zantera's top 20 "favorite" bands. little more than a year ago, the smashing pumpkins catapulted to zantera's top 3 or some isht, and i wouldnt be surprised if theyre a distant memory within another year or so.
The Smashing Pumpkins are still in my top3! :) It happens with a few bands that I kinda loose interest or after discovering more music, I change perspective or something, but many bands stay high for me as well. Anathema has something that makes them pretty unique, at least the earlier albums like Judgement where the mood is very special. I really loved the latest Amplifier (would say it's my favorite album by them), so no real change there either.
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Just a little post to say I just "got" the title of this thread. :D
As you were...
And his username is still misspelled, even after I'm pretty sure he was banned.
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Lightbulb Sun
The Incident
Deadwing
The Sky Moves Sideways
Signify
Fear of a Blank Planet
Up the Downstair
In Absentia
Stupid Dream
On the Sunday of Life...
Controversial, I know. Stupid Dream and In Absentia are low, while the Incident is way high. I'll never understand the hate for The Incident. I love it to death. Keep in mind, all these (excluding OTSOL...) are amazing. It's really hard to rank Porcupine Tree albums, as they have such a consistent discography.
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Going to attempt to do this:
In Absentia
Lightbulb Sun
Stupid Dream
Signify
Deadwing
Fear of a Blank Planet
The Incident
The Sky Moves Sideways
Up The Downstair
On the Sunday of Life
Signify and Deadwing are pretty much interchangeable, though I think I'm leaning more towards Signify.
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Up The Downstair
the rest
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I admittedly have never been able to get into Stupid Dream. Don't know what it is, I think it had some songs I enjoyed but I can't remember them for the life of me. Kind of like how I am with Deadwing, but I at least remember those tracks.
Recordings too, for that matter.
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I only have three PT albums, In Absentia, Fear Of A Blank Planet, and The Incident. Of those, my ranking would be this:
FOAPB
IA
TI
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I've always liked the eclectic nature of Stupid Dream. There's also something not as serious in those earlier albums that make them more of a lighthearted listen and that's not trying to be a slight at the later albums at all.
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I've always liked the eclectic nature of Stupid Dream. There's also something not as serious in those earlier albums that make them more of a lighthearted listen and that's not trying to be a slight at the later albums at all.
Agreed.
One thing that I love about Stupid Dream is Theo Travis' guest appearances. Even though he only played on three songs, his contributions were perfect for them.
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OMG ranking time?! It's been so long! :laugh:
Signify
Up The Downstair
Deadwing
(The Raven that Refused to Sing)
Lightbulb Sun
Fear of a Blank Planet
In Absentia / (Insurgentes)
Stupid Dream
The Sky Moves Sideways
On the Sunday of Life
(Grace For Drowning)
The Incident
St. Anger :neverusethis:
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Deadwing
FOABP
Lightbulb Sun / Stupid Dream (only listened to them once yet).
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I've always liked the eclectic nature of Stupid Dream. There's also something not as serious in those earlier albums that make them more of a lighthearted listen and that's not trying to be a slight at the later albums at all.
Agreed.
One thing that I love about Stupid Dream is Theo Travis' guest appearances. Even though he only played on three songs, his contributions were perfect for them.
Yeah, dat atmospheric section of Don't Hate Me. :hefdaddy
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OMG ranking time?! It's been so long! :laugh:
Signify
Up The Downstair
Deadwing
(The Raven that Refused to Sing)
Lightbulb Sun
Fear of a Blank Planet
In Absentia / (Insurgentes)
Stupid Dream
The Sky Moves Sideways
On the Sunday of Life
(Grace For Drowning)
The Incident
Good god. You can't possibly be serious. :facepalm:
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Eh, The Incident would be pretty far down on my list as well. I've never actually tried to give them a serious ranking, though.
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Fear of a Blank Planet
Signify
Stupid Dream
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In Absentia
Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
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Up the Downstair
The Sky Moves Sideways
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The Incident
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On the Sunday of Life
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Deadwing
Signify
The Sky Moves Sideways
(The Raven That Refused To Sing)
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Stupid Dream
Fear Of A Blank Planet
(Grace For Drowning)
In Absentia
Lightbulb Sun
(Insurgentes)
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Up The Downstair
On The Sunday Of Life
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The Incident
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It would be so amazing if one day the news of a new PT record would come. I agree that The Incident isn't all that though. However, seeimg them live doing the whole record was quite the experienxe.
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It would be so amazing if one day the news of a new PT record would come. I agree that The Incident isn't all that though. However, seeimg them live doing the whole record was quite the experienxe.
I'm sure SW is happy with his solo projects right now, but I think there's still a small chance that there will be a PT "comeback" sometime in the future. Which would be amazing, as you said.
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It would be so amazing if one day the news of a new PT record would come. I agree that The Incident isn't all that though. However, seeimg them live doing the whole record was quite the experienxe.
I'm sure SW is happy with his solo projects right now, but I think there's still a small chance that there will be a PT "comeback" sometime in the future. Which would be amazing, as you said.
Oh hell yeah, and he's rightfully happy with that. I love his solo work and the live shows. Yesterday I listened to The Raven record while being on Ibiza, watching the sunset. It's still my favorite record of the year. I love it to death man.
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Ranking time for me!
-In Absentia
- Stupid Dream
- (The Raven that Refused to Sing)
- (Insurgentes)
- The Incident
- Fear of a Blank Planet
- Lightbulb Sun
- Deadwing
- Signify
- Up The Downstair
- (Grace For Drowning)
- The Sky Moves Sideways
- On the Sunday of Life
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If we put in albums from other projects, my ranking would look something like this:
(Grace For Drowning)
Fear of a Blank Planet
(Insurgentes)
(Blackfield)
Signify
Stupid Dream
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In Absentia
Deadwing
(Blackfield II)
Lightbulb Sun
(The Raven That Refused to Sing)
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(Welcome to my DNA)
Up the Downstair
The Sky Moves Sideways
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The Incident
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On the Sunday of Life
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Eh, The Incident would be pretty far down on my list as well. I've never actually tried to give them a serious ranking, though.
My issue is that some people are putting it below On the Sunday of Life, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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I dunno. On the Sunday of Life has a couple of great songs. Nostalgia Factory, Radioactive Toy, It Will Rain For a Million Years, Nine Cats. I don't really think The Incident has any super-standout songs, but as a whole it's marginally better for me. Not by much though.
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Blind House? Great Expectations? The Incident? Time Flies? Octane Twisted? I Drive the Hearse? Remember Me Lover?
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I can slightly agree on Time Flies and I Drive the Hearse maybe. I dunno, most of The Incident is very average for me. Not necessarily bad, but a song-cycle in 50 minutes where the time kinda just flies by and nothing really sticks out either positively or negatively. It's listenable I guess, where some songs on OTSOL might not be as friendly to the ears.
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I can slightly agree on Time Flies and I Drive the Hearse maybe. I dunno, most of The Incident is very average for me. Not necessarily bad, but a song-cycle in 50 minutes where the time kinda just flies by and nothing really sticks out either positively or negatively. It's listenable I guess, where some songs on OTSOL might not be as friendly to the ears.
Surely this was intentional.
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I think it's ridiculous that you think it's ridiculous, Ulti. Why do you give a shit? I mean, I'm only saying this because I'm probably the only person who genuinely puts OTSOL above not only TI, which is smack dab in the shitter for me, but also above a couple other albums, given my mood (a few occasions I've been addicted enough to the album to put it first, which still rings true from time to time...then again I don't do rankings anymore because they change every fucking day). I think the album is superb and much more enjoyable than TI. I'd ask why that's so hard to wrap your mind around, but then again I want to murder innocent christian children whenever I hear sappy country songs so...
Opinions and assholes. :tup
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(The Raven That Refused to Sing)
Stupid Dream
The Sky Moves Sideways
(Grace For Drowning)
Signify
Fear of a Blank Planet (Used to be my second least favourite. Funny how things change.)
In Absentia
Deadwing
Up the Downstair (And used to be my second favourite. Another big change.)
(Insurgentes)
Lightbulb Sun
On the Sunday of Life
The Incident
Don't feel like doing other projects. Would be too hard.
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I think it's ridiculous that you think it's ridiculous, Ulti. Why do you give a shit? I mean, I'm only saying this because I'm probably the only person who genuinely puts OTSOL above not only TI, which is smack dab in the shitter for me, but also above a couple other albums, given my mood (a few occasions I've been addicted enough to the album to put it first, which still rings true from time to time...then again I don't do rankings anymore because they change every fucking day). I think the album is superb and much more enjoyable than TI. I'd ask why that's so hard to wrap your mind around, but then again I want to murder innocent christian children whenever I hear sappy country songs so...
Opinions and assholes. :tup
I mean, sure, everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I just find it completely unbelievable that someone could honestly place an album of derivative psychedelic musical drivel made by some loopy British nutter in his basement over a fully-realized album with coherent flow and ideas.
I'm not denying your right to an opinion, I'm just saying you're wrong. :P
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Because OtSoL is at least fun to listen to in it's own way. The Incident is mostly boring save for a few songs and moments. :P That and OtSoL has a few songs I actually love (The Nostalgia Factory, Radioactive Toy, Nine Cats being really great).
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The Incident has a lot of flaws, but the big one was that it felt pretty uninspired. If you look at the band's career, and how everything was leading up to The Incident, it's a bit of a shame. The previous albums had something special, but The Incident was a rehash of old ideas, and the most generic heaviness in terms of PT trying to be Djent or sounding like Meshuggah. In the end the album had some enjoyable stuff, it wasn't bad, but it just wasn't what everyone hoped for.
The bigger the ambition, the harder you will fall. And I think there are several reasons as for why people felt a bit lukewarm towards The Incident. First off you had the song-cycle concept which felt very epic, and one of those things "either they pull it off, or they won't". Then you have the information about the album before it came out, "its going to have sounds from all PT-albums, even the first" which gave people a lot of hope, because taking the best from all eras of PT sounded really interesting.
In the end it was just a decent album. In recent interviews, even Steven himself has given a vibe that he isn't completely happy with how it turned out, and maybe, just maybe that's the small reason of why PT might return. I don't think they will personally, because PT feels completely dead, but if there is anything that might be a reason for a PT-return, it would be so that they don't let The Incident be the final chapter of a great band. Again, it's not a horrible album, but it's still the last memory people will have of them.
And I probably agree that OTSOL is a more "fun" album to listen to, even though Incident has higher lows. On the other hand, those two albums shouldn't even need to be compared in the first place, given the fact that OTSOL was shit SW recorded at home and just goofing around. The fact that people even compare them says a lot about the general opinion on The Incident.
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OMG ranking time?! It's been so long! :laugh:
Signify
Up The Downstair
Deadwing
(The Raven that Refused to Sing)
Lightbulb Sun
Fear of a Blank Planet
In Absentia / (Insurgentes)
Stupid Dream
The Sky Moves Sideways
On the Sunday of Life
(Grace For Drowning)
The Incident
Good god. You can't possibly be serious. :facepalm:
Yes I can.
I've listened to The Incident way too much to try and get into it and I just can't. Even it's best songs are nothing more than mid tier PT. I would argue that "The Incident" is the only legitimately great song on the album in that it feels new and a bit unique.
I will never argue that OTSoL is a great album, but it's fun and interesting and never boring. Plus it has "Radioactive Toy" which is better than all of The Incident just by itself.
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I think it's ridiculous that you think it's ridiculous, Ulti. Why do you give a shit? I mean, I'm only saying this because I'm probably the only person who genuinely puts OTSOL above not only TI, which is smack dab in the shitter for me, but also above a couple other albums, given my mood (a few occasions I've been addicted enough to the album to put it first, which still rings true from time to time...then again I don't do rankings anymore because they change every fucking day). I think the album is superb and much more enjoyable than TI. I'd ask why that's so hard to wrap your mind around, but then again I want to murder innocent christian children whenever I hear sappy country songs so...
Opinions and assholes. :tup
I mean, sure, everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I just find it completely unbelievable that someone could honestly place an album of derivative psychedelic musical drivel made by some loopy British nutter in his basement over a fully-realized album with coherent flow and ideas.
I'm not denying your right to an opinion, I'm just saying you're wrong. :P
:angel:
But srs again, I actually find the fact that it was created by a young adult who, for all intents and purposes, was simply fucking around and I actually get something out of it; not only on a musical level, but lyrical as well (And The Swallows Dance Above The Sun is perhaps my favorite PT song...again...this changes daily...but today it is). Granted, I know, most of it is indeed drivel and is pointless. But to me, the pointlessness is more intriguing than any of the 'deep' points in The Incident.
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So, anyway, I have recently revisited this band after having briefly been sort of obsessed with them for a while and then losing interest.
So, last week I pulled out "Deadwing" and gave it a couple of full spins for the first time since around when it came out.
I was pretty blown away by it! :eek
So, today I bought "Fear of a Blank Planet" for the hell of it.
Seems like most people here rank "The Incident" pretty low? Should I bother with that one?
How about Steven Wilson's solo stuff? "Grace For Drowning" seems to get a lot of positive reviews on Amazon.com
What does the forum think of that one?
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GfD is very good, and very moody, so if you're a King Crimson fan, you'll probably love it.
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I would wait on GfD personally, unless you're big King Crimson fan and even that might not guarantee that you'll enjoy it. I'd pick up The Raven That Refused To Sing instead. It's a great album.
The Incident might actually be logical next step and coming to it fresh, without the luggage of their back catalog might give you a fresher take on it than some of us. But, I'd say hold off and get In Absentia next instead. It's generally much more highly regarded than The Incident and it's in the same 'era' as Deadwing.
PT's other releases have much different sounds and styles than Deadwing and Fear of a Blank Planet.
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Grace For Drowning is tremendous. Buy it immediately.
Also, In Absentia is really good, if you don't already have it.
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Personally I think GFD is the best album Wilson made. It is heavily influenced by 70's prog rock like King Crimson though, so take that into consideration if you want to buy it or not.
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Barry, given what I know about you and your tastes, I think you'd dig The Raven That Refused to Sing way more than Grace for Drowning since, the former is not only more rocking, but the latter has a bunch of shorter songs I know you'd love to call filler. :lol Personally, I love 'em, but I know you won't.
I think you'd like a lot of The Incident since it really rocks hard at times, too. I think The Blind House and Bonnie the Cat would be right up your alley. :metal
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The Incident has a lot of flaws, but the big one was that it felt pretty uninspired. If you look at the band's career . . . .
I for the most part agree with you but there were some incredible songs on TI. Blind House was amazing as was Kneel And Disconnect (I wish so much this song was longer), Flicker is easily in my top 5 PT songs as well but most of the others are largely forgettable.
Alright guys, top 5 PT songs, lets seem them:
1. Fadeaway
2. Buying New Soul
3. Mellotron Scratch
4. Prodigal
5. Flicker
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Mine changed a bit from my top 50:
1. Dark Matter
2. The Sky Moves Sideways
3. Mellotron Scratch
4. Sleep Together
5. Don't Hate Me
EDIT: Scratch that, my #5 is actually Heartattack in a Layby. Don't Hate Me is 6th.
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Off the top of my head in no particular order
Shesmovedon
Heartattack in a Layby
Anesthetize
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
The Start of Something Beautiful
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Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Radioactive Toy
Russia On Ice
Sleep Together
Normal
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Not sure I could do albums....but I'll try top 5 songs.
1. Heartattack in a Layby
2. Start of Something Beautiful
3. Trains
4. Fear of a Blank Planet
5. Hatesong
Tomorrow, I could probably list 5 completely different songs.
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Tomorrow, I could probably list 5 completely different songs.
Lol same here. Or at least 3 of them would be different
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Hmmm, I don't get the love for Start Of Something Beautiful. It's easily my least favourite on Deadwing.
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:( It's probably my second favourite on the album next to Mellotron Scratch.
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Hopefully it will grow on me, but currently I just think it's annoying :D
EDIT: fucking grammar error
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The Start of Something Beautiful is lovely. Anyhow, my favorite PT-songs would look something like this atm:
1. Dark Matter
2. Hatesong
3. Trains
4. Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before it is Recycled
5. Drown With Me
6. Buying New Soul
7. Even Less (14 minute version)
8. Mellotron Scratch
9. Anesthetize
10. Sleep Together
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I've always liked The Start of Something Beautiful, but I didn't actually love it until a couple of years ago. So it can grow on you :)
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TSoSB is a real grower, I didn't like it at first but now I love it :)
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Cool :tup
There's hope :smiley:
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LBS is starting to really grow on me :metal
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GfD is very good, and very moody, so if you're a King Crimson fan, you'll probably love it.
I hate King Crimson, so I guess I'll avoid that one :lol
No one answered my question about "The Incident." Any comments? Good? Bad?
So far I'd have to say that "Deadwing" is BY FAR my favorite of theirs, with probably "In Absentia" in second place. I went back and listened to "Lightbulb Sun" again, but was pretty "meh" on it overall....
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The Incident is great. I know I am kind of in the minority on that one, but I think it is. It's pretty rocking, too, for the most part.
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Yeah, The Incident is good; you'll like it.
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There is some amazing work on The Incident. It's just that after you've heard it a couple of times, nothing really compels you to come back to it.
Every time I hear it, I think of how great it is...but nothing as good as the rest of their stuff...so it ends up being labeled as 'OK' and gathering dust.
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There is some amazing work on The Incident. It's just that after you've heard it a couple of times, nothing really compels you to come back to it.
Every time I hear it, I think of how great it is...but nothing as good as the rest of their stuff...so it ends up being labeled as 'OK' and gathering dust.
I totally disagree. The Incident, Time Flies, Octane Twisted, I Drive the Hearse, Flicker and Bonnie the Cat are all great songs, ones I go back to all of the time when I listen to PT.
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Alright, I'll put The Incident on my list then. I still have about $80 worth of free shopping points on Amazon.com, so next time I do a download order I'll get it.
Thanks, Ħ and Kev :hat
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I think that I, along with lots of other fans, were so excited and amazed by FOABP that when TI came out, it was just way too hard for it to top FOABP. Expectations were high, there was a new bar to reach and I think TI just comes out just under that high-set bar.
However, that doesn't mean it's HORRIBLE album on it's own right. It was just over-shadowed by what came before it. I'd say it's as good as Deadwing (in many spots), but I also think the explicit concept of the main album probably turned some fans off from the onset. But to be honest, it's not much different than the ideas that their previous 3 albums were conceptual in nature as well, if not more so than TI in terms of creating a story.
TI isn't bad, and I do enjoy it from time to time, but it doesn't really do much different than the previous 3 albums did, it just sort of takes what they did, both good and bad, and refined it a bit more. I do like the idea and concept of the main disc, and I really enjoy the other four songs on the 2nd disc, so it's not a bad over-all.
I still like IA, DW and FOABP better though.
-Marc.
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^ I mostly agree with that.
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Good to hear, Barry. :hat
However, I have to take umbrage with the comment that The Incident didn't do anything that hadn't been done on the previous 00s albums...what other album features a song cycle the likes of The Incident Disc 1?
Besides, why in the hell does it even matter? The quality of the music is what matters; the band doesn't have to reinvent the wheel on every damn album.
Personally, I think some people were turned off by it a bit cause they heard "a song cycle" and automatically assumed it would be an epic, which it really isn't, at least not in the traditional prog sense.
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I was turned off because it wasn't that good, in my opinion.
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RATE THE GAVIN ALBUMS....
1. Deadwing
2. In Absentia
3. Fear of a Blank Planet
4. The Incident
And while the first three may shuffle on most lists...I'd bet that the majority will have TI in 4th place.
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I was turned off because it wasn't that good, in my opinion.
I agree with this.
1. Deadwing
2. Nil Recurring
3. Fear of a Blank Planet
4. In Absentia
5. The Incident
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Fear Of A Blank Planet
In Absentia
Deadwing
The Incident
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I still like IA, DW and FOABP better though.
That seems to be the prevailing opinion on Amazon.com as well. I have a few of the other albums. I enjoy about 3/4 of IA, pretty much all of DW and most of FOABP, although it seems to get a bit ponderous for a while....."Lightbulb Sun" has a few tracks I like, but I've never really felt compelled to listen to it again after a very rare spin once in a while. Same goes for "Stupid Dream" and "The Sky Moves Sideways"
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Seems that Nil Recurring is made up of some leftovers from the FOABP sessions.
Worth a listen? It's less than $4.00 on Amazon.
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By the way, of these albums I have, Deadwing stands head and shoulders above the rest, imo
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Seems that Nil Recurring is made up of some leftovers from the FOABP sessions.
Worth a listen? It's less than $4.00 on Amazon.
Definitely worth a listen, especially for that price. I like it more than Fear of a Blank Planet and Normal is one of my favorites.
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Seems that Nil Recurring is made up of some leftovers from the FOABP sessions.
Worth a listen? It's less than $4.00 on Amazon.
I think it's worth it. An instrumental (with Robert Fripp), and three other cools songs. "Normal" is the original version of Sentimental before Steven Wilson decided to strip the soul song down into more of a simplified / ballad. What Happens Now and Cheating The Polygraph are both great too
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Alright, just downloaded Nil Recurring and The Incident. If either of these is HALF as good as Deadwing I'll be a happy camper :hat
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It may be sacrilegious of me, but I think of Nil Recurring and FOABP as a single entity given that they were produced from the same/near the same writing sessions.
Also, all of the tracks (all 10) were included in the FOABP vinyl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Blank_Planet#Vinyl_edition), and that running order how I listen to the album now, so it's more or less official. Besides, opening Side 4 with "Nil Recurring" is great, especially since the opening drum groove is the same used at the end of the opening/title track. "Normal" echoes "Sentimental" and quotes "Anesthetize" and "What Happens Now?" name checks "My Ashes" in the lyrics - it's also a better ending for the album, lyrically and musically, than "Sleep Together". I know that might sound weird, but I love it as the ending for the album...then again I also love "Half-Light" as the ending to Deadwing more so than "Glass Arm Shattering". I love the somber endings to PT albums like that, just like "Dark Matter" and "Collapse Light Into Earth".
-Marc.
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Alright, just downloaded Nil Recurring and The Incident. If either of these is HALF as good as Deadwing I'll be a happy camper :hat
All of the songs on Nil Recurring rock, so I think you'll dig it. What Happens Now? and Cheating the Polygraph are all kinds of awesome.
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Gavin-albums would be:
FOABP
Deadwing
In Absentia
The Incident
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The Incident
(Nil Recurring)
Deadwing
In Absentia
Fear Of A Blank Planet
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Deadwing
Fear Of A Blank Planet
In Absentia
(Nil Recurring)
The Incident
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In Absentia
Deadwing
(Nil Recurring)
Fear of a Blank Planet
The Incident
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Deadwing
The Incident
In Absentia
Fear of a Blank Planet
But all are tremendous. Deadwing is 5 stars for me, and the others would all be 4 1/2.
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(Nil Recurring)
In Absentia
Fear of a Blank Planet
The Incident
Deadwing
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In Absentia
Deadwing
FOABP
(Nil Recurring)
The Incident
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Fear
Absentia
(Nil Recurring)
Deadwing
The Incident
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Fear
Absentia
(Nil Recurring)
Deadwing
The Incident
This is a good ranking. (i.e., the same as mine. :P)
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Fear
Nil Recurring
The Incident
In Absentia
Deadwing
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Deadwing
FOABP
Don't have the other two (yet).
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I had a chance to listen to "The Incident" and I think it's actually quite good. I've only been through it one time, but the impression I get from it is that it's an album that really needs to be listened to as a whole.
Also, took a chance on Steven Wilson's latest disc "The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)" and I'm really digging that one too. :tup
Hard to rank them right now. I'll have to dust of In Absentia and some of the others I have.
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Awesome. :tup :tup
Some of those short songs on The Incident (like Great Expectations and Kneel and Disconnect) are not ones you are gonna enjoy a lot if you have songs on random or shuffle, but in the context of the album, they are great.
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Yeah, that's pretty obvious after one spin. It's definitely meant to be consumed as a whole. But I can see where a few of the longer pieces would be cool on their own.
I'm putting In Absentia and Steven Wilson's new Raven blah blah blah album on my iPod now
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I'm putting In Absentia and Steven Wilson's new Raven blah blah blah album on my iPod now
As long as you don't let him know :lol
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:lol :lol
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It'll be fine as long as you take a mellotron on a train. He'd like that.
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So at this point, if you guys had to make a one disc compilation of Steven's solo material, what would you have on it?
I'd definitely have Abandoner, Veneno Para Las Hadas, Deform to Form a Star, Postcard, Remainder the Black Dog, Index (Live), The Watchmaker, and The Raven That Refused to Sing.
Probably forgetting some...
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God dammit. Every time this thread gets bumped I have hope that something new is happening with the band, and it never is...
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:sad:
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The day SW stops enjoying making music that other bands made 40 years ago, there might very well be a new PT-album, but I believe his next project is another solo album again?
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I really don't think Raven comes anywhere near like classic prog. GfD however sounded very King Crimson. And if it counts, Storm Corrosion sounds kind of like a less insane Comus (which would make sense since Akerfeldt has named two things after lines in Comus songs).
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Raven isn't THAT different to Grace (apart from having less of a jazz-influence and being more prog), but a song like Luminol has a strong Yes-vibe imo. I think the classic prog vibe is there in a few other songs as well.
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God dammit. Every time this thread gets bumped I have hope that something new is happening with the band, and it never is...
That's how I used to feel, now I'm just ready for album rankings lol
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So at this point, if you guys had to make a one disc compilation of Steven's solo material, what would you have on it?
I'd leave that discussion to this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23768.0
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So at this point, if you guys had to make a one disc compilation of Steven's solo material, what would you have on it?
I'd leave that discussion to this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23768.0
Thanks!
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Raven isn't THAT different to Grace (apart from having less of a jazz-influence and being more prog), but a song like Luminol has a strong Yes-vibe imo. I think the classic prog vibe is there in a few other songs as well.
I don't know. I guess I don't get the same vibe, heh. Feels quite modern to me. I do get the Yes vibe on the opening vocals to Luminol though.
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I'm putting In Absentia and Steven Wilson's new Raven blah blah blah album on my iPod now
As long as you don't let him know :lol
I know he's pretty negative on the digital music scene. Truth is, though, I wouldn't have purchased The Raven album if it were not available as a $7.99 download from Amazon.com
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I don't think he's as much down on the digital music scene as he is sad that the idea of listening to an album from start to finish seems to be a lost art and oblivious to the younger generation. I think he rails against iPods because he's against the whole idea of listening to music on a constant shuffle, him being an artist who really takes the time and effort to craft an album, especially in regards to flow and running order.
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I used to agree with SW in his rants, but in the last 3-4 years, the rants have stayed pretty much the same, and it just feels old by now. I mean sure, a lot of people listen to individual songs, but just because you listen on an mp3-player or an ipod, doesn't mean you CAN'T listen to the album in full.
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Okay, but does he still do those rants? It seemed like he went through that phase when he was on about it - around the time of Fear of a Blank Planet - but I can't remember the last time I saw an interview where he ranted about it. And besides, they never seemed like rants, but more like sadness that the younger generation is all about having a constant shuffle of tunes on their iPod instead of enjoying albums as wholes.
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Okay, but does he still do those rants? It seemed like he went through that phase when he was on about it - around the time of Fear of a Blank Planet - but I can't remember the last time I saw an interview where he ranted about it. And besides, they never seemed like rants, but more like sadness that the younger generation is all about having a constant shuffle of tunes on their iPod instead of enjoying albums as wholes.
I also haven't seen too many rants in recent interviews.
Also, he always got asked by interviewers about his iPod stance/how he felt about the "album listening experience" and didn't really seem to bring it up on his own too often (except for the Insurgentes documentary, of course).
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I don't think he's as much down on the digital music scene as he is sad that the idea of listening to an album from start to finish seems to be a lost art and oblivious to the younger generation. I think he rails against iPods because he's against the whole idea of listening to music on a constant shuffle, him being an artist who really takes the time and effort to craft an album, especially in regards to flow and running order.
While I agree that there are many albums out there that deserve to be listened from start to finish, there are also many that just have a few great songs. I like the option of choosing to buy those songs versus an album of filler.
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I've seen less and less interviews with him since he disbanded PT or whatever, but he does still get questions on the topic from time to time, and the view is pretty much the same. I mean, you can sit around and complain about it, or do something instead. If you want people to listen to your album all the way through today, just make sure to make albums that are good enough to be played that way. I mean, that's all you can do really. And again, I think SW puts his energy into making "album"-albums, and I think it pays off. He might have a couple of shallow fans who only listens to a few select songs on their iPod, but if anything, he has a really devoted fanbase who really gives his music the time and attention that he wants himself.
There are big music fans and there are shallow music fans who might scrape the surface but don't care to go deeper. Either way you listen to music, there is no right or wrong. But he has a lot of big music fans, so why even care about the people who listen to songs, and won't most likely pay for the music anyway? :P If that makes any sense.
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I absorb and listen to music in a completely different way than how Wilson seems to. I have a very visual mind so a lot of songs are like individual scenes to me. Sometimes I can group some together by different bands to create a storyline for a movie idea or TV show idea and that excites my brain. I still listen to albums in full for those experiences but I get much more pleasure out of expanding my own creativity through what could seem like a random collection of songs during a short period of time. I have lists of partial and fully fleshed out visual scenes and ideas that came to my head by just listening to certain individual songs by random chance and at the right time.
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50% of my music listening is on my iPhone and I've been playing full albums from start to finish. It's not like you can't do that...
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50% of my music listening is on my iPhone and I've been playing full albums from start to finish. It's not like you can't do that...
Pretty much this. Although it's more like 70% CDs, 30% phone for me.
EDIT: New rankings (going to check out The Incident next week, I think):
Deadwing / FOABP (can't decide)
Lightbulb Sun
Stupid Dream (the first two songs are great, some others are pretty good, but overall I don't really like it that much)
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Stupid Dream was a big time "grower" for me. That album got pulled out once every couple of months for a year before I suddenly fell in love with it.
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Never really gave Nil Recurring much of a chance when I was listening to PT as I always put their other albums ahead in the order.
Slowly becoming one of my favourite PT releases. So impressive.
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What Happens Now :heart :heart
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Feel So Low has become a lol song for me. I can't remember the context, but I remember Alex or someone ranting about it here in full force, especially the part at the end when Steven Wilson just says, "Thanks." Now whenever I hear that line I can't help but lol. THANKS ALEX
Oh right, I forgot he was banned. Oh well.
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You know what you need to do, right? Record your own version of the song where you say "Thanks, Alex" at the end and send it to him.
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Listened to The Incident today, the first time in a while. I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I have in the past, a lot of it's really good. My main issue is with the songs between Time Flies and I Drive The Hearse, which I find really boring.
Still, taken altogether, it's a pretty good album, certainly better than I've given it credit for in the past.
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My main issue is with the songs between Time Flies and I Drive The Hearse, which I find really boring.
The Seance and Octane Twisted are great, IMO.
Overall, I'd say that even though The Incident is one of PT's weakest, it's still a pretty solid album. I didn't like it initially, but after seeing them play most of it live, it clicked for me.
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I don't hate The Incident, but it was a massive disappointment for me, and one of their weakest albums. I would probably say it's my least favorite PT-album after OTSOL. There's some good stuff on it, but for the most part it felt like the band was going through the motions. I would say it killed some of my interest in PT, but now a few years later, a new PT album would make me really happy.
At this point I feel like a new PT would be more fresh than a new SW album, and it has been 5 years now, so it would only be logical for another PT album to be drastically different from the last couple of albums.
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Even though I'm more excited about SW's solo stuff than the idea of a new PT album, it would be interesting to see what direction the band would go in following The Incident. I'm sure the metal element would be gone, and I can't see them returning to the earlier psychedelic sound. I can picture something more electronic and synthy, maybe even a bit ambient. That would be really cool as Barbieri's strengths are creating interesting sounds and adding textures to the music rather than being a technical player. Also, if they went in this direction I'd like to see Barbieri writing more with SW. I loved the album that he did with Steve Hogarth, and Black Dahlia, which he co-wrote, is one of the best songs on The Incident.
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For me the excitement is not really bound to quality, a new SW might be better than a new PT, but with a new SW album you already have a good knowledge of what he will do for the album, but a new PT at this time could be just about anything sound-wise. Even though his solo band might have "better" musicians, I do miss the characteristics of Barbieri, Edwin and Harrison. A new PT without the metal would be awesome. :angel:
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I definitely see where you're coming from, and I also miss the uniqueness that each member brought to the table. However, I think the thing I miss most about about PT is the live shows. I only saw them once, at Radio City (which was an awesome show!), and it would really suck if we never got to see them live again.
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Can I have my cake and eat it too?! I'd like 2014 SW and 2015 PT please.
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I would be okay with that.
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It would be interesting to know what SW himself thinks of PT right now, and the possibilities of them doing something again. Whenever he answers those questions in interviews, it just comes off as a very standard answer you would give to please both camps. You have the people loving his solo-stuff and wanting more of that, but he also leaves that "but maybe" that gives some hope for the people more interested in new PT.
From different interviews it seems quite clear that he wasn't happy with how The Incident came out, and for whatever reason, he has touched upon it in a few different interviews I've seen, and mainly spoken about how every other PT album seemed to be really good, and the others.. not so much. (Which kinda surprised me, because that means he wasn't as fond of Deadwing or LBS).
I really do hope that The Incident isn't some taint that has affected SW in a way that he wouldn't want to do another PT-album. Hopefully if he wasn't happy with the album, it could work as motivator instead. Is that really how he wants PT to end, the main musical project of his career, to end on an album that he wasn't happy with. I think in the end he will probably do whatever he wants, but it would be cool if that involved PT. I think he continues to show on his solo albums that the more melodic songs are in most cases the highlights (deform to form a star, the raven that refused to sing, postcard, like dust i have cleared from my eye), and the more melodic or "poppy" side of him really shined through more in PT. He does progressive rock well too, but I think it's the more melody-based and catchy songs that he really does the best.
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Well if that's the case he only has himself to blame. I remember reading Richard Barbieri complaining how SW wrote too much and they had minimal input to the songs.
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... and mainly spoken about how every other PT album seemed to be really good, and the others.. not so much. (Which kinda surprised me, because that means he wasn't as fond of Deadwing or LBS).
Could you clarify this sentence....I'm not sure I understand with the way it's worded.
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He means like IA=good DW=not FoaBP=good TI=not
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....ahhh.... Ok. Get it now.
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The Incident is a great album, what are you on about Zantera? Do we need to duel?
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My main issue is with the songs between Time Flies and I Drive The Hearse, which I find really boring.
Wow, those are actually my favorites on the album. Time flies is one of the tracks that drag the album down for me, actually. Also, the stuff on the second disc never clicked for me neither.
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The Incident is a great album, what are you on about Zantera? Do we need to duel?
For me it felt like the first album where they backtracked musically. I think you can see a really nice evolution from album to album, and The Incident feels a bit like "lets make an album that sums up our career, and has a little bit from each era", and apart from the song-cycle idea, musically it feels like a mishmash of what they had done before. I also don't feel like the songwriting was as good as before. Like I said, The Incident is not bad, but it's not packed with "omg amazing"-songs.
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My main issue is with the songs between Time Flies and I Drive The Hearse, which I find really boring.
Wow, those are actually my favorites on the album. Time flies is one of the tracks that drag the album down for me, actually. Also, the stuff on the second disc never clicked for me neither.
Agreed - I think the best stuff on the album besides The Blind House and the title-track comes after Time Flies. The second disc is forgettable with the exception of Bonnie the Cat, and overall I think The Incident is a massive drop in quality after FOABP.
I've said this before, but I think/hope that if PT made another album it'd be more electronic. I think Richard was kind of underused on some songs on the last few albums, and Steven probably gets to make enough organic-sounding music on his solo records anyway.
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A more electronic album would be really awesome for sure. When I say that, I think about songs like Sleep Together and The Incident (the song). They have a dark and electronic vibe, yet they still feel very much like PT-songs, and exploring more ideas like that would be fantastic.
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I've said this before, but I think/hope that if PT made another album it'd be more electronic. I think Richard was kind of underused on some songs on the last few albums, and Steven probably gets to make enough organic-sounding music on his solo records anyway.
Sounds good to me. :tup
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A more electronic album would be really awesome for sure. When I say that, I think about songs like Sleep Together and The Incident (the song). They have a dark and electronic vibe, yet they still feel very much like PT-songs, and exploring more ideas like that would be fantastic.
Those two songs are exactly what I was thinking about - I'd love to see PT explore that style further.
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That, or a return to the Signify-eque psychedelic era would be awesome.
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I personally enjoy the metal era PT
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I personally enjoy the metal era PT
Agreed, but I think it's played its course. It's clear that the band has no interest in it anymore, and The Incident showed that the sound was getting a bit stale. If PT ever releases a new album (which I really hope they do) it'll probably sound way different than the most recent four albums.
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I personally enjoy the metal era PT
Agreed, but I think it's played its course. It's clear that the band has no interest in it anymore, and The Incident showed that the sound was getting a bit stale. If PT ever releases a new album (which I really hope they do) it'll probably sound way different than the most recent four albums.
This entirely, and I really hope this as well. I think they should've called it quits with the angsty-metal thing with Fear, which I still love (and still vehemently abhor Incident). But now even I'm getting an urge for some new PT, I'm just scared that if the next album isn't inspired, I'll be done with them. Which is a shame because I still consider them one of my favorite bands that I adore way too much. But with (somewhat) recent interviews on the whole different direction, older-sound, it's got me hoping for something out of left field. I tend to like Wilson when he's at his most insane.
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Fear is my favorite PT album, and I think it's the perfect result of PT doing metal right. On The Incident, at least the metal parts sounded a bit more stale. It started to feel a bit like the band themselves weren't really "into" the metal-part, and I also feel like it has played its course, like Buddyhunter said.
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The lyrics absolutely kill Fear for me, although there are some neat musical ideas. They did it better with Nil Recurring plus it's shorter.
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A more electronic album would be really awesome for sure. When I say that, I think about songs like Sleep Together and The Incident (the song). They have a dark and electronic vibe, yet they still feel very much like PT-songs, and exploring more ideas like that would be fantastic.
Going straight into Kid A-Perdition City mode? :biggrin:
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A more electronic album would be really awesome for sure. When I say that, I think about songs like Sleep Together and The Incident (the song). They have a dark and electronic vibe, yet they still feel very much like PT-songs, and exploring more ideas like that would be fantastic.
Going straight into Kid A-Perdition City mode? :biggrin:
That would be glorious. :angel:
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I'd like to reiterate my immense love for all things of PT's early days, which as most here know is pretty much just SW (and Duffy's words)...but it's still some of the most mesmerizing and tantalizing music I've heard.
Currently listening to Nine Cats...I can never get enough of this song, or The Nostalgia Factory in general. Mainly because of the composition of the songs and how they flow...really dreamy stuff. :heart :heart :heart
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I don't know why, but I find Up The Downstair to be easily the most listenable Porcupine Tree album. It's not too long of an album and so it's easy just to put it on and chill. There's nothing else quite like it in Porcupine Tree's discography and while it may not be my favorite album by them, I find myself listening to it a helluva lot more than the rest of their material.
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Definitely up there as a favorite for me. :tup Small Fish was always my favorite, though Synesthesia recently became an obsession with that churning, hypnotizing keyboard backing...I guess it's a keyboard...
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Up The Downstair is probably number four in my rankings, but considering how much I listen to it, it should be higher. :lol
Every song on he album is a keeper. Nothing bad on it at all.
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Small Fish - Burning Sky - Fadeaway may well be the most epic three-song run in the PT discography :hefdaddy
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Up the Downstair is pretty badass. I don't think there's a single song I dislike on it, and I really love the flow of the album. In many recent interviews, SW talks about how he wants the album to be like a "journey", and while many of his newer albums fit into that, I would say Up the Downstair shows hints of that as well.
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It's got some good songs like Always Never, Burning Sky and Fadeaway, but out of all the PT albums I've listened to (which is all of them except for the first one), it's definitely my least favorite.
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I don't know why, but I find Up The Downstair to be easily the most listenable Porcupine Tree album. It's not too long of an album and so it's easy just to put it on and chill. There's nothing else quite like it in Porcupine Tree's discography and while it may not be my favorite album by them, I find myself listening to it a helluva lot more than the rest of their material.
That's all I've been listening to the past few days. Some shit went down and it really chilled me out, which it exceeds at doing. And I've got the version with the bonus disk Staircase Infinities, which I absolutely love.
I also find myself listening to it more than any other PT record. Very trippy and dream-like.
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UTD is by far my favorite Porcupine Tree album.
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Does anyone know if Steven has ever mentioned being a fan of Tom Waits? I was listening to Rain Dogs a few days ago, and caught this lyric, "Over the side to anyone who'll listen, And I've seen it all through the yellow windows of the evening train."
Just wondering if it was an intentional nod on Steven's part, or just a coincidence.
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I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a nod. He makes a lot of random nods in his song titles.
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It contained the word "train" so he had to use it.
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:lol
Actually, Tom Waits writes a lot about trains too.... CONSPIRACY?!?!11!?
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Are they the same person? :omg:
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:omg:
Steven Wilson's next project, a collaboration with Tom Waits. The project name will be "Trains".
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And the cover will be this:
(https://www.hasbro.com/common/productimages/en_US/760c42fa50569047f5cf86f9d2b612e4/C3A9BC6650569047F5C2DBC6FBFF23F5.png)
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(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/32446999.jpg)
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UTD is by far my favorite Porcupine Tree album.
have you already posted thoughts about the re-mix with Gavin playing drums? i'm interested on your perspective, i guess mostly because i am also a huge fan of UTD and thought the new drums took more away than they added. it worked out really well when they redid The Sky Moves Sideways, but not for UTD, imo.
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How new is the remix?
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How new is the remix?
Not new at all. 2005
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Yeah, I have said since its release that the Up the Downstair remaster is a travesty. Taking away the fake drums took away part of the charm of the album (as well as some great fills that Harrison did not play the same way), and Wilson re-recording some guitar parts was a huge mistake. He sucked all of the life out of Burning Sky by redoing that big guitar riff.
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I guess I've only heard that version then and I love it.
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I'm glad I've heard both. I will admit that some of the rest of the re-recording is not quite as nice as the original....but at the end of the day, I always despised that drum machine. I thought Gavin's re-record was a phenomenal improvement.
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I've only heard the reissue in full, but I've listened to a few songs in their original form and none of them (except maybe Synesthesia) sound as good without real drums IMO.
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I don't think I've ever heard anything but the 2005 remix. Maybe Steven should've offered the original version on a bonus disc with the remix or something. Seems like a fair compromise.
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I have both the 2005 remix and the original mix. I like both versions, but I usually listen to the 2005 remix more.
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Yeah, I have said since its release that the Up the Downstair remaster is a travesty. Taking away the fake drums took away part of the charm of the album (as well as some great fills that Harrison did not play the same way), and Wilson re-recording some guitar parts was a huge mistake. He sucked all of the life out of Burning Sky by redoing that big guitar riff.
looks like we're in the minority, unfortunately (at least on DTF). totally agreed about "Burning Sky" getting wrecked. i think what bugs me most about Gavin's drums is actually the mix — if it had a proper amount of reverb to fit with the rest of the mix, they wouldn't stick out so horribly compared to the original programming. i would like to think the reason SW didn't get him to play real drums for "The Sky Moves Sideways" title track is because nothing would fit better than the original ones (rather than a technical limitation of the old tapes), so it bugs me that he didn't recognize the same for UTD.
i also prefer the extended "Synesthesia" from Stars Die: The Delerium Years to the original and real drums versions. it needs the relaxing repetition and creepy intro.
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I used to hate the original mix of UTD especially since I listed to the remix UtD first. Over the years I hold the remix on par with the original, some songs like Fadeaway seemed to get an entirely new feel IMO however both versions are great. I love Gavin's little fills.
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I'm obviously in that minority as well, considering that OTSOL is still probably my favorite PT release. I don't mind technical and so-called 'fake' instruments. It is what it is meant to be. I really couldn't give a shit less that certain products of the album are of...a digital body faking to be real. The original release, to me, is superior in every way. REAL DRUMS! I don't give a shit...you like what you like. I don't fault anyone for liking the remaster more because quite frankly that's what it was created for; the people that care more about actual instruments than the sound itself and/or liking that sound more. I myself like the sound of the machine and I really couldn't give a fuck less what anyone else's opinion is of it.
It means fuck all to me that someone can play the exact same track that a machine does, but the fact that the sound itself has changed is the big difference to me. I heard the original first, and I will logically identify with that sound more than the remaster. Those that heard the remaster first will more than likely think it sounds 'better' or 'superior' to the original. Fucking great. It's still a useless little opinion; meaningful only to yourself. There's no better or worse in any case, especially in this one. It's so amazing that people will still debate over something SO fucking introverted. It's just sound...what sounds better to you might sound like shit to another. It's no different than anything else but because it's AN ACTUAL INSTRUMENT...for some reason that makes a difference to most.
Either way...they're both great, but I prefer the original, as I said, because I identify with it more, because I heard that one first and while I've heard the remaster, I still think that that original sounds better, to my own ear vaginas. Fuck anyone else's opinion that argues that point. Wooty. Fucking. Patooty. God damn humans... always arguing...always debating... over the most useless shit possible. Instead of simply accepting. Accept that another person thinks that one sound is better to THEMSELVES. Not that I'm arguing this point with anyone in particular HERE... but for the most part...the human populace...popupolice.... :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police:
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TioJorge, tell us about your love for The Incident ;D
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:censored :censored :censored :censored
:P :-*
I actually really, really love I Drive The Hearse...but that's it.
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I thought The Incident was really good at first...but time has not really been kind to it.
I'm not as down on the "meh" stuff from it as TJ is...but I do agree that I Drive the Hearse is the greatest moment on the album. I also love the title track...
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I'd probably say The Incident is my 4th favorite PT album.
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I also need to reiterate my love for Chloroform.
Chloroform, this is a song that I love very much.
There. It's reiterated.
I'm still drunk....urrrrrgh tomorrow is gonna SUUUUUUUUCK.
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Colourflow In Mind is also a forgotten favorite...oh man, so dreamy. I really love this song. PT's back catalog and unreleased and/or b-sides are so awesomely awesome.
:heart :heart :heart :hefdaddy :hat :coolio
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I also need to reiterate my love for Chloroform.
Chloroform, this is a song that I love very much.
There. It's reiterated.
I'm still drunk....urrrrrgh tomorrow is gonna SUUUUUUUUCK.
I love Chloroform! One of my favorite PT songs. The drums remind me of Reflection by Tool.
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Most definitely! Also my favorite Tool song by far...well, the duo of Disposition/Reflection.
But yeah it's just as, if not more relaxing and entrancing.
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I'm joining the Chloroform party, such a beautiful song.
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I never noticed how amazing Russia On Ice was until now.
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I'm obviously in that minority as well, considering that OTSOL is still probably my favorite PT release. I don't mind technical and so-called 'fake' instruments. It is what it is meant to be. I really couldn't give a shit less that certain products of the album are of...a digital body faking to be real. The original release, to me, is superior in every way. REAL DRUMS! I don't give a shit...you like what you like. I don't fault anyone for liking the remaster more because quite frankly that's what it was created for; the people that care more about actual instruments than the sound itself and/or liking that sound more. I myself like the sound of the machine and I really couldn't give a fuck less what anyone else's opinion is of it.
It means fuck all to me that someone can play the exact same track that a machine does, but the fact that the sound itself has changed is the big difference to me. I heard the original first, and I will logically identify with that sound more than the remaster. Those that heard the remaster first will more than likely think it sounds 'better' or 'superior' to the original. Fucking great. It's still a useless little opinion; meaningful only to yourself. There's no better or worse in any case, especially in this one. It's so amazing that people will still debate over something SO fucking introverted. It's just sound...what sounds better to you might sound like shit to another. It's no different than anything else but because it's AN ACTUAL INSTRUMENT...for some reason that makes a difference to most.
Either way...they're both great, but I prefer the original, as I said, because I identify with it more, because I heard that one first and while I've heard the remaster, I still think that that original sounds better, to my own ear vaginas. Fuck anyone else's opinion that argues that point. Wooty. Fucking. Patooty. God damn humans... always arguing...always debating... over the most useless shit possible. Instead of simply accepting. Accept that another person thinks that one sound is better to THEMSELVES. Not that I'm arguing this point with anyone in particular HERE... but for the most part...the human populace...popupolice.... :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police: :police:
What you're missing is, real instruments, fake instruments, new version, old version, the debut sucks compared to the rest of PT's material. :p
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Most of you know that I'm not the biggest PT fan, but I'm listening to Signify right now, and it's perfect. Sadly, no other PT album comes close, but Signify is completely amazing, start to finish. Dark Matter :hefdaddy
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I never really like Signify. Don't get me wrong, there are some great tracks on there but it's bottom tier IMO.
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I never really like Signify. Don't get me wrong, there are some great tracks on there but it's bottom tier IMO.
Its my least favorite PT album, but its got Sleep of no Dreaming and Dark matter, which are 2 of my favorite PT tracks. Oh the irony.
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Most of you know that I'm not the biggest PT fan, but I'm listening to Signify right now, and it's perfect. Sadly, no other PT album comes close, but Signify is completely amazing, start to finish. Dark Matter :hefdaddy
This and Lightbulb Sun are my favorites. It's strange. 6 months ago I never would have considered Signify to be my favorite, but it clicked one day. It is incredible. Probably the best album you could listen to while drifting to sleep.
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I'll speak up for Signify.
It was a big time grower for me. But it really clicked for me when I just listened to the whole album from start to finish without focusing on the tracks. It can really throw you off on a subconscious level when you see a CD with 12 tracks, and then find out there are really only 7 proper songs. The mind begins to tell you that you're being ripped off. But if you just listen to the entire album as a hour long journey (similar to Dark Side of the Moon) and stop focusing on tracks and their titles, it is really an eye-opener.
This is absolutely one of my favorite PT albums. At one time I had it listed as #1, but I'm not sure now. I do think that Signify is the perfect blend of the style that came before, and the style that would follow after. Stupid Dream might be a tad better. Lightbulb Sun is like Stupid Dream Part 2, but not quite with the same magic.
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Stupid Dream is actually my 2nd least favorite PT album. Which is very weird, because it's amazing, but I can't bring myself to put it higher. I have a feeling it will just click one day.
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Signify would probably be in my top five. It's pretty much the bridge between the early, psychedelic albums and the Stupid Dream and onwards song-based albums, and thus contains the best of both worlds.
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Dark matter flowing out on to a tape
Is only as loud as the silence it breaks
:heart
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I'll just leave this here.
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That's fuckin' awesome. :lol :metal :millahhhh
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Stupid me, thinking that we finally had some PT news. Should have known better. :facepalm:
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I watched the Anesthetize DVD over the weekend. A freaking masterpiece :metal
Everything about it is just perfect. I think I prefer the live performance of the FOABP album than the studio one!
Thoughts?
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Yeah, Anesthetize remains their best live album.
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There's very few songs from any artist that I like their live versions more than the originals, but PT has a few; Anesthetize being a semi-exception because there's just a few songs I like better than the studio album. I think Coma Divine is the best live album I've ever heard, suffice it to say that I like all the songs better than the originals; beautiful concert and it's still by far and away my favorite.
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Anesthetize is good....I personally think Arriving Somewhere is not only VASTLY superior, but may in fact be the greatest concert film I have ever seen PERIOD.
My favorite part is the visual effects...it just gives the whole think a very old fashioned "concert film" feel...like what you used to see in the theaters in the 70's and 80's. Add to that, the setlist is much much better... Arriving Somewhere is the only concert film in my collection that I watch over and over again and never get tired of.
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Anesthetizes setlist is pretty good for playing the whole album plus b-sides.
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I don't care for Arriving Somewhere that much. Apart from a few songs, the setlist is pretty predictable, and most of the songs are played exactly like they sound on album. Personally I kinda prefer it when songs are altered slightly live.
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Thank God (SW) for Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize. Two of the best concert films ever.
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I don't care for Arriving Somewhere that much. Apart from a few songs, the setlist is pretty predictable, and most of the songs are played exactly like they sound on album. Personally I kinda prefer it when songs are altered slightly live.
Really? I mean, maybe some of them....but I think Heartattack and Trains are *very* different, and the highlights of the show....and possibly *the* definitive versions in my mind.
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I kinda hate the version of Trains on the Arriving Somewhere DVD. The mood of the studio version is perfect, and speeding it up like they did (I think it might be in a different key, too) just ruins it.
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I kinda hate the version of Trains on the Arriving Somewhere DVD. The mood of the studio version is perfect, and speeding it up like they did (I think it might be in a different key, too) just ruins it.
I don't think he can sing it live at the key they do it in the studio...so he's been doing it differently for a long time. I think both versions have their charm...but it's the broken string part, and his LOL moment with the audience that (for me) really gives that version a special charm. It's such an organic experience for me. I'm thrilled he left it in, and I use that version in ALL my PT mix CD's.
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I first heard of PT in the last two months. So much material to go thru. My favorite CD is Deadwing followed by Lightbulb Sun.
I used to be a classic rock guy, but a couple of years ago first heard DT and things changed. My wife likes some of DT, but so far the only song she likes from PT is Lazarus.
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I kinda hate the version of Trains on the Arriving Somewhere DVD. The mood of the studio version is perfect, and speeding it up like they did (I think it might be in a different key, too) just ruins it.
I don't think he can sing it live at the key they do it in the studio...so he's been doing it differently for a long time. I think both versions have their charm...but it's the broken string part, and his LOL moment with the audience that (for me) really gives that version a special charm. It's such an organic experience for me. I'm thrilled he left it in, and I use that version in ALL my PT mix CD's.
And this performance is the reason why they've played Trains in a lower key ever since. You can tell it's a struggle for him to hit those high notes live...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Peu81Z0opRg
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Trains sounds WAY better in a lower key.
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I never really noticed how high some of the notes in that song are until you guys mentioned it, so I guess tuning it down live makes sense.
But I still think the live versions sound terrible compared to the studio one.
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While I think PT is/was a good live band, almost all of their songs sound way better in the studio. Given what a perfectionist Wilson is, and his ability to make his recordings always sound pristine, that is no surprise. When I do my PT mp3 CDs for my car, I almost never consider putting any of the live versions over studio versions, a few from Coma Divine being the exceptions.
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Yeah I would probably agree there. There's a few really awesome live versions on Coma Divine, but nothing since then really. I do like some of the live versions on the XM-transmission albums. The live version of Last Chance... is quite cool.
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Anesthetize is good....I personally think Arriving Somewhere is not only VASTLY superior, but may in fact be the greatest concert film I have ever seen PERIOD.
My favorite part is the visual effects...it just gives the whole think a very old fashioned "concert film" feel...like what you used to see in the theaters in the 70's and 80's. Add to that, the setlist is much much better... Arriving Somewhere is the only concert film in my collection that I watch over and over again and never get tired of.
Don't know about best ever DVD, but Arriving Somewhere is bloody good. I had Anesthetize on the other day and just couldn't get through it. Fear of a Blank Planet has highlights but isn't one of PT's best, and I'm not too hot on Nil Recurring, either - the setlist doesn't work for me, and the performance is a little more sterile. Arriving Somewhere on the other hand is great songs wall to wall, with killer performances of each one, lots of atmosphere, nice small stage. Top dollar.
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Arriving Somewhere has a freaking amazing Hatesong performance going for it. And Trains, which I've always preferred live over studio. Overall though I like Anesthetize more.
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Anesthetize is good....I personally think Arriving Somewhere is not only VASTLY superior, but may in fact be the greatest concert film I have ever seen PERIOD.
My favorite part is the visual effects...it just gives the whole think a very old fashioned "concert film" feel...like what you used to see in the theaters in the 70's and 80's. Add to that, the setlist is much much better... Arriving Somewhere is the only concert film in my collection that I watch over and over again and never get tired of.
Believe me, as a film aficionado, I think Arriving Somewhere... thanks to Lasse Hoile's signature visual style seen in his visuals is what gives it its charm. It's looks a bit more experimental, and IMO a bit dreamy like; something you'd see in a David Lynch movie. I might even call it an arthouse concert film. I agree that the visual effects are awesome even though there's a minority who've openly criticized it.
Anesthetize as well as the other two concert DVDs Lasse Hoile directed, SW's Get All You Deserve and Anathema's Universal I would say were more in the "traditional/professional" way of how concert videos are shot and visually represented on screen. For what it is, in terms of capturing the band and the performance, I think they're superior IMO.
As far as the bonus DVD on the limited edition of Octane Twisted, due to way less cameras during filming and the lack of input from SW (from what I read in interviews, Gavin appeared to be more involved with it than SW was, he only caved in and gave his seal of approval despite admitting that he initially disagreed about releasing it) it wasn't the best visual representation of the band, and seemed rushed IMO. But from a historical standpoint, it's great that the last PT tour (as of now) was archived in some way.
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Anesthetize is good....I personally think Arriving Somewhere is not only VASTLY superior, but may in fact be the greatest concert film I have ever seen PERIOD.
My favorite part is the visual effects...it just gives the whole think a very old fashioned "concert film" feel...like what you used to see in the theaters in the 70's and 80's. Add to that, the setlist is much much better... Arriving Somewhere is the only concert film in my collection that I watch over and over again and never get tired of.
Don't know about best ever DVD, but Arriving Somewhere is bloody good. I had Anesthetize on the other day and just couldn't get through it. Fear of a Blank Planet has highlights but isn't one of PT's best, and I'm not too hot on Nil Recurring, either - the setlist doesn't work for me, and the performance is a little more sterile. Arriving Somewhere on the other hand is great songs wall to wall, with killer performances of each one, lots of atmosphere, nice small stage. Top dollar.
Maybe that's my problem with Anesthetize. I'm not as down on FOABP as you are....I think it's one of PT's best, and the live versions of a few songs are even better than the studio versions (My Ashes and Way Out of Here leap immediately to mind). But I was never a fan of Nil Recurring...which sounds *exactly* like what it is...discarded ideas from FOABP. There are bits that are awesome (that drumwork on What Happens Now is unbelievably good) but on the whole, the songs just don't really work for me, and the material from NR is most likely the reason I don't come back to Anesthetize as much. Although I will say that Sever, Dark Matter and the Strip the Soul/.3 medley are GREAT high points. :tup
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I just wanna say that their live versions of Half Light and Way Out Of Here on Anesthetize watched in blu-ray quality is a divine experience if you ask me. A live concert performance can not get much better then that, again if you ask me.
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Half-Light is amazing, but I really prefer the studio version of Way Out Of Here.
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While I think PT is/was a good live band, almost all of their songs sound way better in the studio. Given what a perfectionist Wilson is, and his ability to make his recordings always sound pristine, that is no surprise. When I do my PT mp3 CDs for my car, I almost never consider putting any of the live versions over studio versions, a few from Coma Divine being the exceptions.
I mostly agree (although I like all PT live releases and especially Anesthetize), but I think Trains and the extended Open Car from Arriving Somewhere beat their studio versions. Coma Divine has some great performances though.
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I like the guitar lick for the intro to The Moon Touches Your Shoulders on Coma Divine than the acoustic guitar intro in its studio version. I love the extended improvisations of the songs off of Coma Divine especially.
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you really can't go wrong with Coma Divine. i wish SW had put as much effort into the subsequent live releases (including corrections and re-singing, controversial as it is) because they really don't measure up, imo.
i suppose Anesthetize comes quite close, though, which is part of why i like it so much.
rrrank!
Coma Divine
Anesthetize
(XM I & II)
Warszawa
Atlanta / Ilosaarirock
Arriving Somewhere
Octane Twisted
Rockpalast
Spiral Circus
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I'm listening to Coma Divine right now, and I agree that it's probably their most pristine live album performance wise and production wise IMO, even more so than Anesthetize where the technology for live recording/post-production was more advanced.
I wish that SW would've included previously unreleased songs on the Coma Divine reissue. As far as I know, the songs that were added in were previously released on an EP 2 years after the original release. According to SW himself, Voyage 34 (including one of the only performances of Phase II) is one of the songs that remains in the vault. And according to setlist.fm, the remaining songs that also got shelved are Idiot Prayer, Stars Die, The Nostalgia Factory, Dark Matter, Burning Sky, the only performances of Every Home Is Wired (it was played only at the last two Coma Divine shows) and the alleged abysmal PT song, Cryogenics (which was an instrumental if I recall).
SW did say that they used only the recordings from the last two nights as the recording from the first night had technical glitches, but Not Beautiful Anymore was actually played at the first night only, thus contradicting his statement. Maybe it was the only song that was salvaged from the first night.
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Was there ever any pro-shot video done of any pre-IA shows?
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I'm looking through a complete SW disgography PDF that some fan made up, and here's what I found regarding any pro-shot video pre-IA era...
- Three video recordings of shows from 1994-1995 that were labeled as promo videos for Delerium Records, but I have no clue if they're pro-shot or not.
- A TV broadcast of Signify from the San Remo Rock Festival in 1997. I'm gonna go on a hunch and say this is a pro-shot video.
- A 1997 performance/interview for HELP TV in Italy.
I've never seen the first two I've mentioned, nor have I've seen any record of them circulating on the internet. I know that the HELP TV performance/interview is circulating somewhere. I've never seen it but I've heard some interesting stories about it. Apparently the interviewer interviewed SW and Richard Barbieri and was so obsessed with Richard Barbieri, he was acting like a groupie towards him! :rollin
EDIT: I found the HELP TV performance; it's an unlisted video so I'm gonna post the link to it here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_X8TVQJAI
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Thanks for sharing that - I had only seen a little clip from the end of Dislocated Day before! I'll watch the whole thing when I've got time.
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THAT IS AN AWESOME FIND!!!
Still, I was thinking more of a complete concert pro-shot...but a TV appearance is probably the best I'm going to get. But wow, what an awesome vid!!
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THAT FUCKING HAIR. JESUS FUCKING PIRATE COFFEE.
I would FUCK that hair. My sweet, sweet, Steven...holy shit. It's not real hair.
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Not going to lie: Wilson looks terrifying in that video at the beginning, particularly when Barbieri is being interviewed.
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So today I found (and picked up) In Absentia on vinyl from the local record store. They've never had PT vinyl before, but recently they brought in a few (Lightbulb Sun and The Incident), and when I saw IA, I just felt like another PT vinyl would be cool. It's not in my top3 PT albums or anything, but it's a great album, and I only had 2 vinyl with PT before, so at least I expanded my collection a bit.
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It's great when you find a PT vinyl at a local record store. At my local record store (which sadly closed earlier this month), I found at least 10 copies of Voyage 34 on vinyl lying around and I picked one up as the only PT vinyl I had up to that point was The Sky Moves Sideways.
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Not going to lie: Wilson looks terrifying in that video at the beginning, particularly when Barbieri is being interviewed.
Yeah, he does look kinda freaky throughout the video. He looks quite different than from today...quite so. He looks much better now, but I do wish he kept that Legolas (actually it puts Legolas' to shame) hair he had.
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Not going to lie: Wilson looks terrifying in that video at the beginning, particularly when Barbieri is being interviewed.
Yeah, he does look kinda freaky throughout the video. He looks quite different than from today...quite so. He looks much better now, but I do wish he kept that Legolas (actually it puts Legolas' to shame) hair he had.
TBH, he looks the same to me except for the long hair and lack of glasses. I'm quite convinced that he hasn't aged that much since the late 80s/early 90s.
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I was checking out Lasse Hoiles website and the photos he taken of PT and for some reason I find this picture of Colin just hilarious:
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Something about his profile and that stare.
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That is kind of creepy!
True story: Lasse Hoile contacted me on Facebook to ask if he could use a photo of my "Harmony Korine"-inspired tattoo on his website, but I didn't get it until two years later because I didn't know FB had an "other" message folder for people who aren't connected to you :|
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Oh shit....maaaaan fuck that facebook. That's both awesome and extremely horrible.
But yeah, he kind of looks like a doll. Although I don't know how it's funny.
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Is Colin ever not smiling? :lol
That is kind of creepy!
True story: Lasse Hoile contacted me on Facebook to ask if he could use a photo of my "Harmony Korine"-inspired tattoo on his website, but I didn't get it until two years later because I didn't know FB had an "other" message folder for people who aren't connected to you :|
Wow, that sucks :(
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Is Colin ever not smiling? :lol
He always have this straight face and relaxed look when he plays and I love that. I think that's why I found it funny, here he have kind of the same expression off stage. :lol
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I've mentioned this a couple times..
But..
The Incident is REALLY fucking good, I wish it got more love around here.
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I enjoy it, to me a lot of it is filler but there are some true gems on there.
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I've always been a big fan of it, so you won't get much argument from me. The only problem is, while I think it's pretty great, PT probably has six or seven albums I like better. Of course, that's a good problem to have, cause how many bands can say their 8th best album for example, is as great as The Incident? Not many.
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The Incident is kinda like a not-as-good Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall. When you listen to it in one sitting, it's pretty great and enjoyable, but taking out individual highlights is almost impossible. I would say The Incident is like a 3.5 out of 5, or a B, and compared to most of their other albums, it's just one of the weaker ones.
I think I listened to it 35-40 times within the first 2-3 months when it came out, but only 3-4 times since then.
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Time Flies and I Drive The Hearse are the only two songs that I would consider highlights on their own. I gave it another for the first time in awhile and it's a great album, and worth the time and effort to listen in one sitting, however it's probably the weakest of the post-In Absentia albums. Likewise, I listened to Deadwing for the first time in awhile a few days ago, and thought it was WAY better than I remembered. If we include the B-sides and the Deadwing version of Shesmovedon on a proposed 2nd disc, IMO it would've been a better double album than The Incident.
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I still think it's a tad better than Fear of a Black Planet, although I think Fear/Nil Recurring combined are better than The Incident as a whole.
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I still think it's a tad better than Fear of a Black Planet, although I think Fear/Nil Recurring combined are better than The Incident as a whole.
Pretty much this. I can't listen to the regular FOABP album anymore - it HAS to be with the Nil Recurring tracks mixed in like on the LP vinyl version.
The Incident is good, but just good. Of their albums with Gavin, it's my least favorite but still pretty good as far as music goes.
-Marc.
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I like The Incident a lot, but it's always been their most underwhelming to me. Fear of a Blank Planet I listened to today (along with Nil) and it doesn't quite have the same magic it did in the beginning, but I still like it more than TI...
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Just wondering what the other guys in the band are up to since Wison left the band. Too bad they will probably not tour or put out another cd together with Wilson. Great, another band I will probably never get to see live along with Haken and more than likely DT.
BTW Russia on Ice is a great song!
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Those words. They seem to be covered in your feces. At least the first half. Where did you get that Wilson left PT, or that they weren't ever going to tour again with him? What? :lol
I mean, it'll be a while before we see anything PT related...I think that's been known for a long while now, and it's not changing anytime soon. Hell, maybe you'll eventually be right, but that's a ways off. Hiatus doesn't mean disband. I'd say another few years before we even hear serious talk of PT (aside from answering the clamoring fans/interviews/etc).
(By the bye, PT will not exist without Wilson. For as nice as the guy is, he's not gonna let that go. Not a chance. No Wilson, no PT. Either that or they go instrumental)
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I was more optimistic a few years ago, but with the pace Steven Wilson's releasing solo albums right now it really doesn't seem like he's interested in doing another PT album.
I really hope they at least tour again, new album or not. I've never seen them live before and I really want to.
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It was a good call on my part to see PT live at their (as of now) final American show back in 2010 even though I was only a fan of the band/SW for less than a year at the time. That special 3 hour show was an experience that would always be remembered by those who saw it in NYC or in London.
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I just think it's not doing fans any favors and that people are applying these thoughts as apparent facts. All indications from the word of Wilson say that he's taking a break. Plenty of bands have taken breaks for a handful of years to come back (granted, the quality of the band post-break up re-band is debatable); it'd be understandable if he was old and grey, but it's not like Wilson is gonna stop music anytime soon. At least, I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if he did; he's still quite young and with the music that he makes, he could play well into his latter-years if he wants to. It seems like he's in his prime in terms of what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. He's exploring that and if his moods at concerts are any indication, he's still got a massive hard on for what he's doing. I'd say that is much better than him continuing PT without any motivation or inspiration.
I just don't get the hub bub. They'll either get back together or not, but there is absolutely no evidence that they're done for good. Zero. Wilson has stated time and time again that he's doing his own thing and will see how things come together when the time is right. With a band as long-running as PT and for how well the guys seem to work together, I'd be surprised if they didn't at least come back for one more send-off album. (P.S. If you want sources, Google it yourself; I'm going to feed the masses).
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I don't think a new PT will ever happen, but it would be a dream. At this point I don't see why SW would want to go back to a band where he will always be bound to certain limits compared to his solo project where he can do whatever he wants. The only reason I could see him go back is either that he really misses the guys in PT and wants to make music with them, or that he wants to make up for the disappointment that was The Incident, which he himself in interviews said wasn't as good as he thought it would be. So maybe he wants to improve upon that and end the PT chapter with something better in his own eyes.
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But George, he's also said he wants to move towards production stuff and away from making his own music. So I'm not saying it's definite, but I'm not expecting another PT album at this point. And I'm okay with that, cause I love his solo stuff. But I will be bummed if he stops writing his own music completely.
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I don't think he'd do that. His mind is seemingly always overflowing with creative ideas and you can't just turn that off.
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We also have to remember how fast SW changes his stance on different matters. Just a couple of years ago he was hating on bands writing 70's esque progressive rock, and he called bands like Transatlantic and Riverside "regressive", and talked about how progressive rock bands should be going forward and not backwards, and try to bring new life into the genre. Then he changed his mind and we got Grace For Drowning and Raven.
So even though there has been several interviews of him saying PT isn't on the radar, that he doesn't know what will happen, some day we might just get an announcement out of the blue.
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Blast from the past - I found good-quality footage of a Dutch festival gig PT played in 1994 on YT:
Up the Downstair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf-_5hah9VE)
Always Never (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSPmbVJBqVU)
Radioactive Toy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BatolihWn_c)
Burning Sky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NwExhnKb80)
Not Beautiful Anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rthnTN_gdcI)
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Hearing the rock, in the form of hard riffs, creep back into SW's music on the last album and EP, I think it's time to get the boys back together and give us some new PT. Who's with me? :coolio
Note: I still love his solo work to death and will still be behind him 100% if he continues down that path.
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Oh i'm with you, my body is ready!
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Hearing the rock, in the form of hard riffs, creep back into SW's music on the last album and EP, I think it's time to get the boys back together and give us some new PT. Who's with me? :coolio
Am I the only one here who doesn't care about a PT reunion? SW (omg same initials as me) pretty much writes all the music anyway. Not going to change much if he releases the music under his own name or PT's. I am aware that the other members of PT do contribute more than the corresponding members in SW's solo material, but I doubt the difference is huge.
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Have you.... listened to PT? There's a pretty clear difference.
Not that I'm necessarily advocating for PT to come back, but if they did, they definitely wouldn't sound like SW's current solo stuff.
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Have you.... listened to PT? There's a pretty clear difference.
Not that I'm necessarily advocating for PT to come back, but if they did, they definitely wouldn't sound like SW's current solo stuff.
Yeah, I know there's a difference, but even within PT's discography they change a ton so that makes it less of an issue. While SW's early solo stuff (Insurgents and GfD) aren't really like PT, Hand Cannot Erase does have elements of PT's late sound. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume that if PT made a new album soon, it wouldn't be stylistically that far from HCE as that's just where his head is at, just like how Up the Downstair came from a different mindset than Fear of a Blank Planet (yet are under the same band name, even though FoaBP is closer to SW's solo material than early PT).
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It's true that either project, SW solo or PT, will largely be dictated by SW and whatever he comes up with, but there are elements, quirks, etc. that are very much PT that we don't really hear in his solo work, and vice versa.
Plus, I have been cranking some IA/Deadwing/Fear this week, which got me itching for some new PT. :hat
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I don't really care if there's new PT or not at this point, but somebody who claims to be a reliable source told me they will be working on something soon which is why SW apparently said he wouldn't be working on a new solo album until next year. *shrug*
I'm not sure when he said that, but if it's true there are lots of other things he could be working on to distract from a solo album.
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Steven has already started working on new stuff and has like 3 songs written so far, according to recent interviews. He also plans to release the record next year on his 50th birthday and make something special for the occasion. He also seemed to confirm new album will be more contemporary and electronic, and will use Ninet more than HCE :metal
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Aww, posting in the PT thread made me think something was happening and it was just another solo album :<
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I want PT back.
I know it's all SW mainly, but there's some special chemistry (for lack of a better word) in PT that's missing in his solo work. While I enjoy his solo work, I would rank most of the PT discography above it.
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All I care about is PT and I miss them dearly.
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I'm with you Phoenix. Solo Wilson is good but PT was great.
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I'm a total newb to PT, but I like what I've heard so far.
I've been checking out some of their songs on YouTube, but last week I finally took the plunge and bought Deadwing. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here - wow, what a great song! Definitely the standout on the album for me, with Lazarus coming in second.
Any suggestions as to which album to pick up next? :)
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In before someone suggests In Absentia ;D
So my suggestion would be: In Absentia, probably their best or at least their most popular.
I really like Stupid Dream, that's the record that got me hooked.
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Fear of a Blank Planet, Signify and Stupid Dream would be my top3 PT albums, but I think your safest bet would be In Absentia or Lightbulb Sun.
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Cool - thanks guys! :tup
Will check out In Absentia..
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Yep, since you dig DW, you'll likely quite enjoy IA, FOABP, The Incident, and all their related b-sides/EPs. You may as well go in order.
After that I'd progress to Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun and Recordings, probably in that order.
Aaaand then do Signify, proceeding backwards after that (TSMS, UTD, V34 then OTSOL & YHD last).
This is sorta the "metal centric" method of learning PT.
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Yeah, I'd say none of his solo stuff has done anything for me at all (barring maybe Luminol), so I'd love to have PT back. But I do get that he seems to really love this phase of his career and a lot of people love the solo albums, so I'm not holding my breath. They just don't strike my nerve the way I wish they would.
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I'm the same tried nearly all of his solo stuff and does nothing for me, while PT nearly always hit the spot for me.
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I'm a total newb to PT, but I like what I've heard so far.
I've been checking out some of their songs on YouTube, but last week I finally took the plunge and bought Deadwing. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here - wow, what a great song! Definitely the standout on the album for me, with Lazarus coming in second.
Any suggestions as to which album to pick up next? :)
Yep, Deadwing is magnificent; that and Lightbulb Sun are 1a and 1b for me. Lazarus is one of my favorite songs ever for personal reasons, and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here might be the best song SW has ever written. :coolio
In Absentia is a great place to go next. You pretty much can't go wrong with anything by PT (although the first album is very weird, which is part of its charm, but I'd save that one for last, since you've already started).
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I love Solo Wilson and PT... and would love more PT... but would also love more Solo Wilson.
:shrugs:
I like the later PT for the metal elements. I wouldn't mind another PT album and tour, and then Steven going back to his solo stuff.
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I'll take more SW no matter how I get it. Damn, that makes me sound like a whore for him, doesn't it? :lol
I think The Raven is one of his best three albums ever, along with Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun, and I'd put Grace for Drowning in possibly the top 5, with Hand Cannot Erase (insert periods :lol) not far behind.
It's extremely difficult to rank the best PT albums after DW and LS. Stupid Dream, In Absentia, Fear of a Black Planet, Signify and The Sky Moves Sideways are all so freaking awesome and pretty consistent in quality. I still love The Incident more than most, but even I will agree now that it is probably one of the least best PT records, which speaks volumes to how good their catalogue is, when an album that good is one of the two or three least best.
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Let's just change the thread title to "Porcupine Tree vs. Steven Wilson".
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Aww, posting in the PT thread made me think something was happening and it was just another solo album :<
Same although if the gang did get back together I think we're at the point in SW's career where there wouldn't be much of a sound difference between his solo stuff and any new PT. I could be dead wrong but that's just my gut.
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I don't know, I don't think any of his solo stuff has that PT feeling. It feels different. Some of it is different in a good way, some of it is different in a bad way, but the "magic" that PT had is something he could never do on his own.
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I want both worlds. It not like Steven takes any time off anyway.
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So, I was watching the making of Deliverance by Opeth and I saw how much work Steven Wilson helped produced and I had heard about Porcupine Tree, but never heard any of their songs. Is there any albums or songs you'd recommend to get into this band?
I usually like to listen to debut albums and go up from there, but when I listened to Porcupine Tree's debut (the first and second song,) I was turned off.
Any suggestions?
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In Absentia
Deadwing
Fear of a Black Planet
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^This.
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I usually like to listen to debut albums and go up from there, but when I listened to Porcupine Tree's debut (the first and second song,) I was turned off.
Haha yeah that's not a really good place to start. Go with In Absentia and Deadwing.
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I want PT back.
I know it's all SW mainly, but there's some special chemistry (for lack of a better word) in PT that's missing in his solo work. While I enjoy his solo work, I would rank most of the PT discography above it.
I think they had a feel that his solo work doesn't have. And I miss Gavin's drums. I don't think I've seen another drummer who knows how to tune a drum quite like him
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I want PT back.
I know it's all SW mainly, but there's some special chemistry (for lack of a better word) in PT that's missing in his solo work. While I enjoy his solo work, I would rank most of the PT discography above it.
I think they had a feel that his solo work doesn't have. And I miss Gavin's drums. I don't think I've seen another drummer who knows how to tune a drum quite like him
This is what I miss most on Steven's solo outings: Gavin. He plays for the song. Love all the small details that adds to the music. It seems like Craig Blundell is bringing this nuance playing (with a bit more power) a bit more compared to Marco.
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So, I was watching the making of Deliverance by Opeth and I saw how much work Steven Wilson helped produced and I had heard about Porcupine Tree, but never heard any of their songs. Is there any albums or songs you'd recommend to get into this band?
I usually like to listen to debut albums and go up from there, but when I listened to Porcupine Tree's debut (the first and second song,) I was turned off.
Any suggestions?
heh, you probably should have picked this band if you were going to do a one-band-only round in your roulette
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In Absentia
Deadwing
Fear of a Black Planet
Definetely this.
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good album.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Fear_of_a_Black_Planet.jpg)
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that's mah JAM
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FoaBP >>> FoaBP
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FoaBP >>> FoaBP
Fixed :neverusethis:
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After 4½ years this thread title still makes me laugh when I see it.
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That's so funny, I was thinking the same thing as I clicked to see what you had posted :lol
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John Wesley released his new solo album last Friday and I reviewed it (https://www.musicalypse.net/2016-john-wesley-a-way-youll-never-be/). Not a spectacular album, but there's plenty of ear candy for guitar players.
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Great interview with Richard Barbieri: https://www.innerviews.org/inner/richard-barbieri
He also touches upon the topic of PT, saying he doesn't expect a reunion, and he thinks they should've had the hiatus after FOABP. Apparently the Incident tour was a rough time for many of them, with family members passing away and stuff.
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Interesting interview.
It's still a bit sobering to see PT talked about in past tense, but it's been eight years since The Incident. :eek :eek
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Interesting interview.
It's still a bit sobering to see PT talked about in past tense, but it's been eight years since The Incident. :eek :eek
Wow...8 years til September. That kind of blows my mind that it has been THAT long since the last PT album. :o
That was a weird time for me for bands that I liked - Transatlantic had just broken their 8 years hiatus with a new album, and little did I know, PT was putting out their last album. The Flower Kings were in the middle of what would eventually be a 5-year hiatus (though Roine never really acknowledged that they were on hiatus...we just kind of had to find that out until it took them 5 years to release a new album), and then less than a year later, Mike Portnoy would leave Dream Theater, after not having his way of DT going on a hiatus themselves. Lots of bands that I liked were going into or coming out of hiatuses, though I would've lost it if DT had at that point.
Either way, back to PT - I cannot fathom that it's been that long since The Incident. I still remember when it was new, and spinning it with a sense of "ehh, it's pretty alright". In retrospect, I agree with Richard in that FOABP would've been a far better album to go out on (or more technically, the Nil Recurring EP, both it and FOABP are some of the best material that band had ever written). Looking back, it almost feels like The Incident was a sort of unnecessary coda to an otherwise climactic ending to the band's career together. The build-up of In Absentia, through riding that wave with Deadwing, then FOABP's stellar albums, everything just seemed to get better and better, but TI has always felt like a step back to me. Part of me also wishes they had done just ONE MORE album, but ending at 10 satisfies me in a "that's a good round number" sense.
-Marc.
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Couldn't agree more M. I still really don't like TI much at all, even though I'm not as gung-ho against it as I once was, I think that's just the indifference of time rather than me actually mellowing out on it. I haven't listened to it once in years though even though I still listen to PT fairly often, if that says anything (which it does).
Yeah, FoABP would have been an amazing closer. Really somber and of course the usual shit of "TIME MARCHES ON/AGING" shtick. Even though I'm 28 (or rather about to be this month), it still feels like I'm older than I am when I think of how long ago TI was and how insane the perception of time is.
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Eight years. Good god. I had gotten into modern prog music in 2007 with Dream Theater and was exploring various bands (new and old) for the next two years. PT was always on my radar but I never got around to it until 2009 when The Incident came out. That was my jumping-on point and I loved that album for the most part. Scooped up all of their albums over the next year and the Recordings reissue when that came out. And then I waited and waited. And I picked up Wilson's solo stuff but it never did much for me. And finally a year or so back when Wilson was doing interviews and referring to PT in the past tense did I realize that I had hopped on to a band on its final album. :lol As the song title goes, time does indeed fly.
Recently picked up all the Blackfield albums except II though, so as soon as I get that last one I'll be giving those a go.
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I loved The Incident to death when it came out, and still think it is pretty great and better than most think, but I will definitely concede that most of their other albums are better. The 5-album run of Stupid Dream through Fear of a Blank Planet (not even counting the EPs, Recording, etc.) is just crazy good, and that is not even counting how great stuff like Signify and The Sky Moves Sideways was.
If PT never does anything ever again, the only tragic thing for me will be that their last song ever was one of the few bland songs they ever did (Remember Me Lover).
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Incredible that so much time has passed. I actually really enjoyed TI, none of SW work has clicked with me as much as PT did.
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Its been a chill and laid back evening with Up the downstair. So damn good
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Good stuff. I don't revisit that CD nearly enough. The original is still far superior to that mess of a remaster.
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Good stuff. I don't revisit that CD nearly enough. The original is still far superior to that mess of a remaster.
Really? The drums on the original are so tacky. I much prefer it with proper drums in the remaster.
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The fake drums are part of the charm. And not only did Harrison did not play some of the coolest fills from the original correctly, he overplayed some of the parts. A CD in the style of Up the Downstair does not need "busy" drum parts.
Plus, Wilson re-recorded the main riff in Burning Sky and completely sucked the life out of it.
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I love the Gavin Harrison remasters, maybe it's because that's what I heard first. There is a charm to the originals but I prefer the drums
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Good stuff. I don't revisit that CD nearly enough. The original is still far superior to that mess of a remaster.
Really? The drums on the original are so tacky. I much prefer it with proper drums in the remaster.
When I was getting into PT, the remasters for their first four albums were all already out, so those are what I listened to the most, and so with UTD, I never really spun the original version. I don't think I could enjoy it now, though, as I have grown to accustomed to the remaster with the proper drums, and I really do enjoy Gavin's drummer anyway. Besides, it's what Steven wanted on his music anyway, right? It was just he had limitations at the time of release, and to be honest, I like hearing the older PT music with real drums, like hearing "Radioactive Toy" with Chris or Gavin on drums. Then again, I think being a drummer myself, I find their playing to be a bit more appealing to my ears than the drum machine Steven used on those early albums.
-Marc.
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Really fortunate I got to see PT live. I saw them do a show in San Francisco at the tail end of The Incident tour with Karnivool opening, which was amazing.
What sucks is I had tickets twice before to see them (on the tour for Deadwing, and later, Fear of a Blank Planet), and I was sick both times and couldn't make it. :tdwn :facepalm:
I got into them with In Absentia in summer 2003. Really sucks that they are for the most part, finished. Reading the comments from Steven Wilson, I get it. A band is a compromise, and PT was a band effort, even if he wrote most of the material -- he wrote it based on those guys, and took their wants into account (nice to hear too). But it's pretty obvious that if he can make a good living as a solo artist, and not have to rely on a band name, it's more to his liking.
Such a bummer. Stupid Dream, In Absentia, Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet and The Incident are all incredible records (I am not so much into the pre-Stupid Dream material, but still like it), and for the band to just go away like it did, it really continues to bum me out.
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I seen them twice, Deadwing tour being the best. I always thought it kind of strange that SW always performs barefoot, a bit of an artsy fartsy kind of thing.
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I seen them twice, Deadwing tour being the best. I always thought it kind of strange that SW always performs barefoot, a bit of an artsy fartsy kind of thing.
It's apparently because he finds it easier to work his effects pedals. At this point, obviously, that's a lot less of a concern, so now it's down to the preference. That's how it started, though, according to him.
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I seen them twice, Deadwing tour being the best. I always thought it kind of strange that SW always performs barefoot, a bit of an artsy fartsy kind of thing.
Pretty sure artsy fartsy was coined as a phrase for the express purpose of describing SW :lol
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I also was lucky enough to see them live. It was the incident tour and SW was pissed. The very first note of the very first song, he breaks a string. There was a whole bunch of sound problems. One the guitars wasn't in tune and he looked very unhappy.
Still one of the best shows I ever saw though. I was so damn happy to hear Anesthetize live. Mother of god, it was awesome
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I seen them twice, Deadwing tour being the best. I always thought it kind of strange that SW always performs barefoot, a bit of an artsy fartsy kind of thing.
Pretty sure artsy fartsy was coined as a phrase for the express purpose of describing SW :lol
:lol. Uhh-hu-hu,, oh yeah.
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and for the band to just go away like it did, it really continues to bum me out.
Yea I miss them too, especially Gavin working with SW. His drumming worked so well in PTs music.
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and for the band to just go away like it did, it really continues to bum me out.
Yea I miss them too, especially Gavin working with SW. His drumming worked so well in PTs music.
This is one of the things I miss most.
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I miss PT so much :'(
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Bumping this because of reissue news, as there's a 4-disc edition of In Absentia coming out later this year, according to SW :caffeine: https://www.instagram.com/p/BwjsmZ4gRIV/
I also found pro-shot footage from the 2007 Cologne gig, including Waiting and The Sky Moves Sideways with Gavin on drums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtlC_dEJRI
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Gavin Harrison often overplayed the crap out of PT material he played on originally, and I fear I would be really annoyed by him overplaying the pre-2002 material (kind of like how he ruined Hatesong live), so I ain't watching that. :lol :lol He is to drums what JLB is to singing: great in the studio, very hit or miss live.
I will have to check out the details on that In Absentia SE, though. That is intriguing.
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Gavin Harrison often overplayed the crap out of PT material he played on originally, and I fear I would be really annoyed by him overplaying the pre-2002 material (kind of like how he ruined Hatesong live), so I ain't watching that. :lol :lol He is to drums what JLB is to singing: great in the studio, very hit or miss live.
I will have to check out the details on that In Absentia SE, though. That is intriguing.
Gavin Harrison turned Hatesong into something worth listening.
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Gavin Harrison often overplayed the crap out of PT material he played on originally, and I fear I would be really annoyed by him overplaying the pre-2002 material (kind of like how he ruined Hatesong live), so I ain't watching that. :lol :lol He is to drums what JLB is to singing: great in the studio, very hit or miss live.
I will have to check out the details on that In Absentia SE, though. That is intriguing.
Gavin Harrison turned Hatesong into something worth listening.
I agree. Gavin is the best thing about Hatesong live.
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Gavin Harrison turned Hatesong into something worth listening.
Woah now, I don't have any opinions on the live version since I haven't heard it, but Hatesong is easily top three Porcupine Tree songs material.
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Gavin Harrison turned Hatesong into something worth listening.
Woah now, I don't have any opinions on the live version since I haven't heard it, but Hatesong is easily top three Porcupine Tree songs material.
Don't waste your time with the live version with Harrison; he ruins it. He adds a ton of unnecessary fills, and the bad ass groove that is in the original version is non-existent.
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Hatesong is definitely a top3 PT song.
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Hatesong with Gavin Harrison is definitely a top3 PT song.
fixt that
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A new deluxe edition of In Absentia is coming early next year. The new edition will feature a remastered version of the album, 2 additional CD's of studio material, and a Blu-ray including a brand new feature length Lasse Hoile directed documentary on the album.
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I just want the original vinyl re-released with chloroform on there.
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I just want to be able to purchase it without having to worry about my bank calling me 20 times because my debit card was used in England. For some reason, that happened to me last time I purchased something from Burning Shed. It didn't happen the first time, but now it does. :lol
I'm really looking forward to it, I love the In Absentia album.
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I love in absentia too. I was pumped for the recent vinyl re release but they left chloroform off which is one of my all time favorite songs. Now I'm trying to get the vinyl second hand and its proving to be very expensive
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I just want to be able to purchase it without having to worry about my bank calling me 20 times because my debit card was used in England. For some reason, that happened to me last time I purchased something from Burning Shed. It didn't happen the first time, but now it does. :lol
I'm really looking forward to it, I love the In Absentia album.
Use PayPal :metal
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All I want is Fear of a Blank Planet on Spotify :'(
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All I want is Fear of a Blank Planet on Spotify :'(
same :sad:
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I wonder why it's not on spotify.
By the way if you have the album you can sync up your phone to have it too. Add the music to a playlist on spotify on your desktop. Connect your phone to your home wifi, sync that playlist on your phone and set it to download to your phone, make sure to keep spotify open if it's a large playlist. Boom on your phone.
What I do is I have a local playlist of songs I want that aren't on spotify and then I just add those songs in other playlists where I want them.
Works in both iphone and android
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I just want to be able to purchase it without having to worry about my bank calling me 20 times because my debit card was used in England. For some reason, that happened to me last time I purchased something from Burning Shed. It didn't happen the first time, but now it does. :lol
Yet a dude can purchase multiple guns without question. Murica.
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Steven just announced that he will be releasing new music soon. Below is the tweet linking to his spotify playlist where apparently the new song/s will be released.
https://twitter.com/StevenWilsonHQ/status/1232988060343816193?s=20 (https://twitter.com/StevenWilsonHQ/status/1232988060343816193?s=20)
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If this was just a few years ago I would think we're living in bizarro world.
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If this was just a few years ago I would think we're living in bizarro world.
Yeah, seriously. Can you imagine what FOABP-era Steven would say?? :lol
-Marc.
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If this was just a few years ago I would think we're living in bizarro world.
Yeah, seriously. Can you imagine what FOABP-era Steven would say?? :lol
-Marc.
This comes to mind, lol
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TerribleIdolizedIndianhare-size_restricted.gif)
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You do know we have a Steven Wilson thread, right?
Also that's not really an announcement. We've known for literally months that new music is coming soon. And Spotify is only one of the places the music will be released. And people are allowed to change their minds on things once they realise they're fighting a losing battle by railing against it.
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In Absentia Podcast from KSCOPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsb9buFBi0
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SW did a listening party today for In Absentia on Twitter. Some good tweets about the album.
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The comments are priceless. People clamoring for a PT reunion and someone dryly posted: stevesmovedon.
:rollin :lol
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The comments are priceless. People clamoring for a PT reunion and someone dryly posted: stevesmovedon.
:rollin :lol
:lol that's great. Why are fans so annoying with this shit though? Every comment section always has to be overrun by garbage posts like that even though they know (or should know by now) that SW is absolutely the last person to ever be interested in something like that.
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Music fans have a long history of not being able to get over stuff.
Peter Gabriel left Genesis over 45 years ago and some fans are still begging for a reunion tour. :lol
It's what we do, us crazy music fans.
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Because they want to be young again. They want to push back on our unrelenting march of time and our gradual deterioration towards our eventual demise.
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I'm as nostalgic as anyone, but almost never when it comes to bands. When it's over, it's over, and you move on.
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A few thoughts based on his Twitter comments...
I thought it was interesting that he said only three of the songs are about a serial killer (Blackest Eyes, The Creater Has a Mastertape, Strip the Soul), when many have long thought that most of the songs were about one.
He said he stills like it, but Prodigal is his least favorite from it, in large part because he thinks it sounds too Floyd-ian, and he said he tends to not like the songs as much now that he considers too Floyd-ian, like this one, Time Flies and The Sky Moves Sideways. He wishes now that Drown with Me had been on the proper album instead of Prodigal, although he admits that Prodigal was better recorded.
Loved his description of Trains: ‘Trains’ is about childhood summers. It’s a paean to those formative seasons when the sun’s hang-time stretches long into the evenings and bedtimes are delayed. I think most of our adult life we spend trying to live up to those experiences, in an attempt to recapture the magic. A time of very little responsibility, wonderment and discovery. A time of innocence and naivety. You will never have those first experiences again—your first kiss, the first time you heard your favourite band or saw your favourite movie, whatever it is.
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Prodigal is one of my favorite tracks of IA. I have to spin IA again
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I've yet to listen to In Absentia as a whole again, but out of the songs I have revisited, Heartattack in a Layby is easily my favorite.
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That's such a perfect description of Trains. That's exactly the vibe and feeling I get from it. And I think that's why I like it so much. It captures that nostalgia for that whimsical time.
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I could've sworn at one point in the past that he said that Wedding Nails is the song that he wished Drown With Me had replaced. And yeah, the serial killer trio of songs surprised me a bit too - Lips Of Ashes seems "serial-killeresque" and the other songs sort of dance around stuff though I think it's more the overall feeling of melancholy that surrounds the songs.
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I know I'm the minority in this but I think chloroform and down with me should've replaced wedding nails and hearattack. I think heartattack is one of the weakest tracks on ia.
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I love Chroloform and Drown with Me, but I wouldn't change anything about In Absentia. It is perfect as is. And yet isn't even one of my favorite PT records.
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Prodigal is underrated, IMO. Yeah, it's not among the very best songs on the album, but there's a handful I think it's way better than.
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I think it's probably somewhere middle of the pack.
My favorites never totally stay the same, but right now I would say that Collapse the Light into Earth, Trains and Heart Attack in a Layby are my three favorites.
Prodigal would be in my next tier with .3, Gravity Eyelids and The Sound of Muzak.
The rest is all really good as well, with Wedding Nails probably my least favorite and then the rest all pretty even.
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My favorites never totally stay the same, but right now I would say that Collapse the Light into Earth, Trains and Heart Attack in a Layby are my three favorites.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/xSM46ernAUN3y/giphy.gif)
I'd probably put Blackest Eyes and Strip The Soul in the same tier as Heartattack but Trains and Collapse are my two favorites, easily.
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If I were to adjust the tracklist to In Absentia, I would probably remove Prodigal, Strip the soul and .3, but put in Drown with me instead. This would be a cool alternative tracklist:
1. Blackest eyes
2. Trains
3. Lips of ashes
4. The Sound of muzak
5. Gravity eyelids
6. Drown with me
7. The Creator has a mastertape
8. Heartattach in a layby
9. Wedding nails
10. Collapse the light into earth
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Trains and Heartattack are both in my Top 3 PT songs. I've been lucky to see both of them live last year. It was just amazing.
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Gravity Eyelids is the best track on In Absentia :corn
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IA was my first PT album and I listen to it more than others, don't know if its because it was my introduction to the band or I actually like it more, which is a whole other topic.
Heart Attack in a Layby is a top song for me.
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Drown With Me is the best track (not) on In Absentia :corn
FTFM
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I did a PT top 50 countdown maybe 5-6 years ago (IIRC) and cannot remember what was where, but if I did one, In Absentia would be one of those albums that might not have a song in the top 10, but would probably have anywhere from 4 to 6 in the 11-30 range. Collapse the Light into Earth might squeeze into the top 10.
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Heartattack in a Layby is definitely the best song on the album. I kinda agree with SW that Gravity Eyelids in the weakest, too. I like it well enough, but it's never one I'd put on unless I'm listening through the whole album.
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Heartattack in a Layby is definitely the best song on the album. I kinda agree with SW that Gravity Eyelids in the weakest, too. I like it well enough, but it's never one I'd put on unless I'm listening through the whole album.
SW thought Prodigal was the least best, not Gravity Eyelids, just FYI. :)
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Oh, well fuck him then.
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I didn't feel like listening to an entire album tonight, but I've kept hearing about how great the song Dark Matter was, so I gave it a listen just now... and it is really great. Not sure where I'd rank it among all the Porcupine Tree albums I know. But chances are, it'll end up pretty high in my rankings, because that guitar solo is perfection.
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Signify is one of the three albums I don't know very well (the other ones being the first two). I have heard it a couple of times, but that was a few years ago. How would you rank this album in the PT discography?
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Signify is my favorite PT album. It’s got the perfect blend of the spacy instrumental side of early PT and the song-based stuff they’d come into on the albums after. In Absentia cones very close but there’s something about the vibe of the Signify era that I love. I’m usually in the minority though as I think their “metal” albums are the weakest (DW and FoaBP) and greatly prefer the overall sound of UTD, V34, and TSMS.
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At the time when I got into PT i did not mind the metal aspect and FOABP was my favorite for the longest time. Now in retrospect 10 years later with all the music I have discovered since, the change in perspective as a result of that (and growing older) I definitely feel like the metal aspect of their sound has aged the most poorly. I still enjoy that stuff but I feel like the 'middle years' is peak PT. I would say Signify-Stupid Dream-Lightbulb Sun are their best albums because you get elements of earlier PT mixed with the more melodic elements of later PT. IA, DW and FOABP are all great too but I definitely don't regard them as highly as I once did.
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Signify has 2 of my favorite PT songs: Sleep of no dreaming and Dark matter
Besides that, I don't like it very much
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Signify is my favourite Porcupine Tree album :)
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Signify is kind of a weird album. Because so many of the tracks are not really standalone songs. They either belong as intros of other songs, extensions of other songs, or interludes between songs. The album really has to be listen to is a complete piece. It is one of those “album experiences“.
Idiot prayer is probably my all-time favorite porcupine tree instrumental EDIT - but of course, there are always 2-3 vying for this position
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Signify is definitely the peak of their psychedelic era before they moved onto more song-oriented albums with Stupid Dream. Dark Matter is great but both parts of Waiting deserve more appreciation. Part 1 is a lovely self-contained song and Part 2 is an excellent atmospheric instrumental with a super satisfying conclusion.
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I'm worried about potentially overrating songs these days, but I think at least four songs on Deadwing (Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, Mellotron Scratch, The Start of Something Beautiful, Glass Arm Shattering) are all worth a perfect 10/10.
(To clarify, what I mean by "overrating" is, for example, giving a song a 10 when later on I might realize that while I still love the song as much as I did, I feel it's more of a 9.5 or something.)
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https://porcupinetreeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/indigo2-2008
A few days after filming the concert in The Netherlands that would later be released as Anesthetize, Porcupine Tree wound up a nine date mini tour (and the Fear of a Blank Planet album cycle), with this hometown show. At least two of the band are sick and there are some rough edges, but perhaps with the knowledge that the film is in the can, this spirited performance has a looser and more relaxed feel to other shows with similar repertoire from this period.
This is the complete 2 hour concert in high resolution 96k/24 bit audio.
credits
released October 6, 2020
Recorded at the IndigO2, London on 19th Oct 2008 under the supervision of Ian Bond.
Mixed September 2020.
Audio resolution - 96K / 24 bit
-Marc.
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Love the setlist, I'm going to pick this up.
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SNAPPER MUSIC ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE A NEW DEAL WITH PORCUPINE TREE TO REPRESENT THEIR TRANSMISSION LABEL WORLDWIDE
Snapper Music have held a close relationship with Porcupine Tree since the release of the 1999 album ‘Stupid Dream’ on their Kscope imprint. The label acquired the band's early work on the Delerium label in 2006 and later the Warner 'Lava' years material in 2017.
The first Transmission release on the new deal in November will be a deluxe 13 CD box set chronicling the evolution of Porcupine Tree, bringing together all of the band's recordings issued by the Delerium label between 1992-97. A deluxe multi-disc edition of the band's 2005 acclaimed album 'Deadwing' will follow in 2021.
Snapper Music MD Frederick Jude comments "20 years on we greatly appreciate the successful working relationship we have maintained with the band"
Porcupine Tree founder and frontman, Steven Wilson comments… “Myself and the band are very happy to have all our work united on our transmission imprint through Snapper Music, a label we’ve had a long and extremely positive relationship with. We are discussing many exciting possibilities for the catalogue going forward, plans that will take in definitive special editions of existing albums, but also open the vaults to archive material.”
Glad to see there will be a Deadwing box set following the In Absentia one (which I still need to get).
-Marc.
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A Deadwing box set sounds nice! It'll probably be too expensive for me, though.
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Just a had a listen to Pure Narcotic the new release of an acoustic recording from 2012, great little ep. I really do miss PT.
https://porcupinetreeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/pure-narcotic-acoustic-session-2012
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Finally gave in a picked up the Deluxe In Absentia. It arrived today and, I have to say, it is really a nice set. Much bigger than I expected. I bought it new from Amazon via a third-party seller with Amazon shipping. The thing was still completely sealed and was packaged in super protective packaging. Even better, the seller had slipped the replacement Blu-ray disc into the shipping box. I did not expect that at all and was super surprised and appreciative.
I still think $83 is a bit steep for this, but I can't deny the quality.
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Trains is PT best song.
(https://files.sharenator.com/Haters_gonna_hate_Infinite_Picdump_2-s990x700-101507-580.jpg)
Probably gets my vote too.
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Trains is PT best song.
Probably gets my vote too.
Trains has grown on me, and I do think it's very good, but it's far from even my favorite PT song on In Absentia. Blackest Eyes, The Sound of Muzak, Wedding Nails, .3, The Creator Has A Mastertape, Heartattack in a Layby, and Collapse the Light Into Earth are all songs I could easily say are better than Trains.
As for my favorite PT song overall, it's a tie between The Start of Something Beautiful and Anesthetize.
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Trains is PT best song.
(https://files.sharenator.com/Haters_gonna_hate_Infinite_Picdump_2-s990x700-101507-580.jpg)
Probably gets my vote too.
That seems to be the general consensus, but I've never understood why Trains is better than the other PT songs. I mean, I like it, but there are others that I would rank higher.
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Yeah, even on In Absentia I can name at least five songs I'd rank higher than Trains on personal preference. Sound of Muzak, Gravity Eyelids, Blackest Eyes, Prodigal, .3. And my favourite IA song is not even on the main album, namely Drown With Me.
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I don't know if its my favorite, but Trains is up there for sure. And whenever I want to share PT with someone I typically play them Trains.
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I’m not necessarily a huge PT fan, but Trains was one of their first songs I heard and it really blew me away at the time. One of those songs that just feels like a great song. Sound of Muzak would also be up there, I guess, maybe Lightbulb Sun or Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled. She’s moved on is good. But I’d probably stick with Trains.
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I love so many of their songs but I think The Start Of Something Beautiful is slightly above the rest.
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I have a soft spot for Lazarus, it was the first PT song I fell in love with as a new listener.
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Deadwing in it's entirety is my first PT experience and it remains my favorite of theirs.
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I consider Arriving Somewhere But Not Here their best song.
My favorite all time Porcupine Tree song is The Start of Something Beautiful. So happy I got to see it live, when they toured with Coheed and Cambria. Good thing I went too...
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If I had to pick a favorite from Deadwing, I’d go with Mellotron Scratch, because it mentions mellotrons. :-) Arriving Somewhere is good too, but as a whole that album kind of turned me off from PT.
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If I had to pick a favorite from Deadwing, I’d go with Mellotron Scratch, because it mentions mellotrons. :-) Arriving Somewhere is good too, but as a whole that album kind of turned me off from PT.
Listening to Deadwing now for the first time in a long time, and its not just the name. Mellotron Scratch really is the standout track here.
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Listening to Fear of a Blank Planet now (this was actually the last PT album I bought). Not sure why I rarely listen to this, but it’s a much more exciting listen than Deadwing.
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Arriving Somewhere to me is a good first 5-6 minutes and then the metal part really drags it down and the song just goes on for too long. Mellotron Scratch is easily my favorite from Deadwing too.
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Arriving Somewhere to me is a good first 5-6 minutes and then the metal part really drags it down and the song just goes on for too long. Mellotron Scratch is easily my favorite from Deadwing too.
I totally agree about Arriving Somewhere. A great song on the whole but the metal riffs are just kind of repetitive and unnecessary. That album felt a bit like they were trying to cater to the general metal audience (maybe to justify being on Roadrunner?)
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Arriving Somewhere to me is a good first 5-6 minutes and then the metal part really drags it down and the song just goes on for too long. Mellotron Scratch is easily my favorite from Deadwing too.
I totally agree about Arriving Somewhere. A great song on the whole but the metal riffs are just kind of repetitive and unnecessary. That album felt a bit like they were trying to cater to the general metal audience (maybe to justify being on Roadrunner?)
The metal side of PT worked fairly well on FOABP imo but before that (and after) there were some hit and misses. For songs that worked quite well like Blackest Eyes you also had songs like Arriving Somewhere where, for me at least, the metal element felt really forced into the song and just didn't gel. On FOABP it feels like the blending of those elements worked better.
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Arriving Somewhere to me is a good first 5-6 minutes and then the metal part really drags it down and the song just goes on for too long. Mellotron Scratch is easily my favorite from Deadwing too.
I totally agree about Arriving Somewhere. A great song on the whole but the metal riffs are just kind of repetitive and unnecessary. That album felt a bit like they were trying to cater to the general metal audience (maybe to justify being on Roadrunner?)
The metal side of PT worked fairly well on FOABP imo but before that (and after) there were some hit and misses. For songs that worked quite well like Blackest Eyes you also had songs like Arriving Somewhere where, for me at least, the metal element felt really forced into the song and just didn't gel. On FOABP it feels like the blending of those elements worked better.
Would agree with that as well. Fear of a Blank Planet felt like a better melding of prog and metal for whatever reason. I did think In Absentia was a case of more artfully employing heaviness in an album that wasn’t really metal.
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Trains is PT best song.
(https://files.sharenator.com/Haters_gonna_hate_Infinite_Picdump_2-s990x700-101507-580.jpg)
Probably gets my vote too.
Definitely.
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I'd nominate Russia on Ice.
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I'd nominate Russia on Ice.
Yes. Russia on Ice (as well as Feel So Low) are Top 10 Porcupine Tree songs for sure.
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My top three would probably be Trains, Hatesong and Russia On Ice. Lightbulb Sun is one of their more inconsistent albums but damn does it have some of their best material.
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Trains and Dark Matter for me. Probably Hatesong as my final pick for the top3. Anesthetize would be high up too.
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The best Porcupine Tree song is clearly the 40 minute uncut version of Moonloop. :biggrin:
But in all seriousness I would personally give strong consideration to The Sky Moves Sideways Pt.1 as a favorite PT song.
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The best Porcupine Tree song is clearly the 40 minute uncut version of Moonloop. :biggrin:
But in all seriousness I would personally give strong consideration to The Sky Moves Sideways Pt.1 as a favorite PT song.
The Sky Moves Sideways is one of those songs (and albums) that seem to fly under the radar but I really like it. I consider TSMS-Signify-SD-LBS to be the peak of PT personally. UtD and IA are both good as well but those 4 albums in a row are really nice.
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Dark Matter is #1, without any doubt.
other contenders for high up would be Gravity Eyelids, The Sky Moves Sideways 1, Buying New Soul & The Start of Something Beautiful
I've also always loved The Moon Touches Your Shoulder, Nine Cats and A Smart Kid for some reason.
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I Drive the Hearse, Collapse the Light into Earth, Sentimental and Open Car are some of my favorites that rarely get mentioned
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All the talk about "Arriving Somewhere" had me thinking how folks would rank the 10+ minute length PT songs, so here's a (mostly complete) list of them:
No Reason To Live, No Reason To Die
Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape
Radioactive Toy (just barely, at 10:00)
It Will Rain For A Million Years
Up The Downstair
Burning Sky
Voyage 34 Phase I
Voyage 34 Phase II
Voyage 34 Phase III
Voyage 34 Phase IV
The Sky Moves Sideways Phase 1
The Sky Moves Sideways Phase 2
Moonloop (Improvisation)
Waiting (Phases One & Two)
Mesmer III / Coma Divine
Metanoia I / Intermediate Jesus
Metanoia II
Even Less (Full Version)
Russia On Ice
Buying New Soul
Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Anesthetize
Time Flies
Of these, some of my early favorites are "Burning Sky " and both parts of TSMS, but later on, "Russia On Ice" and "Anesthetize" are some of their best.
The best Porcupine Tree song is clearly the 40 minute uncut version of Moonloop. :biggrin:
You know what... that is a completely valid opinion to have. I have a CD-r burned with the full version of "Moonloop" with the alternate version of "The Sky Moves Sideways", and it's 74:49 of great music.
-Marc.
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The best Porcupine Tree song is clearly the 40 minute uncut version of Moonloop. :biggrin:
You know what... that is a completely valid opinion to have. I have a CD-r burned with the full version of "Moonloop" with the alternate version of "The Sky Moves Sideways", and it's 74:49 of great music.
-Marc.
I do actually like it. I used to put it on to fall asleep to years ago. I don't remember where I got my copy of the Extended version of Moonloop, but there are parts of it that sound........off???
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I've been listening to Lightbulb Sun quite a bit lately. I think I'd rank the songs like this:
1. Russia On Ice
2. Feel So Low
3. Four Chords That Made A Million
4. Lightbulb Sun
5. Last Chance To Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
6. Shesmovedon
7. The Rest Will Flow
8. Hatesong
9. How Is Your Life Today?
10. Where We Would Be
I think all these songs are really good, though WWWB is kind of forgettable to me.
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I'd like to mention Buying New Soul and So-Called Friend as among my very favourites.
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(1. Buying New Soul)
1. Shesmovedon
2. The Rest Will Flow
3. Lightbulb Sun
4. Russia On Ice
5. Feel So Low
6. Four Chords That Made A Million
7. Last Chance To Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
8. Where We Would Be
9. How Is Your Life Today?
10. Hatesong
Bottom 5 I don't care for. I'm not a huge fan of this album. :dunno:
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Trains is PT best song.
(https://files.sharenator.com/Haters_gonna_hate_Infinite_Picdump_2-s990x700-101507-580.jpg)
Probably gets my vote too.
That seems to be the general consensus, but I've never understood why Trains is better than the other PT songs. I mean, I like it, but there are others that I would rank higher.
Trains is top tier PT but if I had to choose favorites it'd either be Chloroform or Fadeway (the version Gavin on drums).
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S Tier
1: Hatesong
2: Russia On Ice
A Tier
3: Lightbulb Sun
B Tier
4: The Rest Will Flow
C Tier
5: Feel So Low
6: Last Chance To Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled
7: Where We Would Be
8: Shesmovedon
D Tier
9: How Was Your Life Today?
10: Four Chords That Made A Million
Buying New Soul would be right above Lightbulb Sun if it were included.
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Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth should definitely be A-tier imo. In fact I'd bump that one and the title track up to S tier and I would agree fairly well with the rest.
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Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth should definitely be A-tier imo.
It's grown on me a bit over the years. I think it's the Heaven's Gate sample that holds the song back for me. It just kinda gets in the way of the lush instrumentation underneath it and I don't feel like there's any good connection between it and the rest of the song.
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I wanna highlight Half Light, the live version from Tilburg is mesmerizing.
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Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth should definitely be A-tier imo.
It's grown on me a bit over the years. I think it's the Heaven's Gate sample that holds the song back for me. It just kinda gets in the way of the lush instrumentation underneath it and I don't feel like there's any good connection between it and the rest of the song.
I think the Heaven's Gate speech actually works well in context of the song. Well, if you believe this interpretation, I suppose. Basically, the first half is about two young people, possibly in love, spending their summer together, and it somewhat highlights the innocence of that time (it's similar to Trains in that way). Then the second half, where the Heaven's Gate speech happens, is supposed to represent the loss of that innocence, and perhaps it implies that these two young people eventually became a part of the Heaven's Gate cult. And maybe it's symbolic about how some people start their lives innocent and happy, but eventually lose their innocence and start doing insane things like that.
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I wanna highlight Half Light, the live version from Tilburg is mesmerizing.
Half Light is an amazing song. :tup
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The best Porcupine Tree song is clearly the 40 minute uncut version of Moonloop. :biggrin:
Damn right. Perfect for a late night drive. But my favorite is Blackest Eyes.
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Anyone get that new Delerium Years box set. Mine arrived today. Was kind of steep but there were a few of the early albums that I didn’t have so it was enough of an excuse to get the whole set remastered again and with a nice book etc. Not listened to PT in years and even longer for the early era stuff so it was nice to hear some old familiar tunes that I’ve not played in so long.
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I don’t think I’ve ever really ranked my favorite PT songs. I’ve been a fan since The Sky Moves Sideways, but I’ve never really given much thought to it. PT has always been an album band for me, so pulling out individual tracks is kind of tricky. I guess it would look something like this (and in no particular order)
Way Out Of Here
Futile
So-Called Friend
Buying New Soul
The Start of Something Beautiful
The Sky Moves Sideways
Fadeaway
Sever
Half Light
Gravity Eyelids
But I could also easily include things like:
A Smart Kid
Lips of Ashes
Where We Would Be
Strip the Soul
Anesthetize
Time Flies
Waiting (I and II)
The Sound of No-One Listening
Don’t Hate Me
Dark Matter
Sleep Together
Tinto Brass
Etc...
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I didn’t know where to put this:
Octane Twisted 4LP Boxset – featuring ‘The Incident’ Live In Chicago - burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree
Available on LP for the first time across 7 sides of vinyl in a 4LP boxset with a new etching from long term designer Carl Glover
Still weird to think that this Live album was the last new release by the band, and that they've only now just made it available on vinyl. Very cool at any rate!
-Marc.
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Porcupine Tree (https://porcupinetree.com/) website has a makeover and also an official youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9OFhiq5cs10XYGDwBO_7xg/videos)with videos being uploaded in HD and even in 4K, I can't imagine they're doing all this work for nothing?
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Porcupine Tree (https://porcupinetree.com/) website has a makeover and also an official youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9OFhiq5cs10XYGDwBO_7xg/videos)with videos being uploaded in HD and even in 4K, I can't imagine they're doing all this work for nothing?
I predict a new album was recorded in secret during the pandemic - and they're getting ready for the surprise release.
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I'll Believe it when I Hold it in my hand
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Burning Shed sent out an email today with nothing but PT stuff, including a show from 2003 that is being released.
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https://burningshed.com/porcupine-tree_house-of-blues_dark-blue-double-vinyl
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Porcupine Tree (https://porcupinetree.com/) website has a makeover and also an official youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9OFhiq5cs10XYGDwBO_7xg/videos)with videos being uploaded in HD and even in 4K, I can't imagine they're doing all this work for nothing?
I predict a new album was recorded in secret during the pandemic - and they're getting ready for the surprise release.
Steven Wilson: Porcupine Tree Could Return When Everyone’s Least Expecting It
https://loudwire.com/steven-wilson-talks-porcupine-tree-comeback/
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New flashy website.
Updated YouTube page.
Something will happen shortly.
Least expecting it, my ass.
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New flashy website.
Updated YouTube page.
Something will happen shortly.
Least expecting it, my ass.
2003 live release from the In Absentia tour.
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Oooh, maybe they'll finally release an EP with all of the Deadwing B-Sides!
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New flashy website.
Updated YouTube page.
Something will happen shortly.
Least expecting it, my ass.
2003 live release from the In Absentia tour.
They aren't doing all of this just to release a 2003 show.
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Honestly I would be so happy if something is finally brewing in the PT camp. :tup
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Honestly I would be so happy if something is finally brewing in the PT camp. :tup
Exactly. The frustrating thing for me, and some others, is that I'm a fan of Porcupine Tree, but not necessarily SW as a solo artist. Don't get me wrong, I ABSOLUTELY appreciate SW's talents and understand just how cool some of the prog stuff he does is. It's just not typically in territory that I can get into. I liked The Raven Who Refused to Sing, but nowhere near as much as the Stupid Dream through Fear of a Blank Planet. I've checked out everything he has done since, and he's lost me more and more.
SW himself has said so many times that PT, particularly the IA-FoaBP records, were compromises between he and the band. I'd argue that that compromise is what made PT so special. So yes, anything that perhaps gets PT together and builds off of FoaBP, I'd be down for. I think The Incident saw SW taking more ownership of the direction, and consequently, wasn't as good to me. It wasn't bad, but certainly not something I was very high on.
Hopefully, with some years in the rear view, SW and the PT guys can reunite at some point, embrace that compromise, and continue. I think SW's direction as a solo artist is now sufficiently different, and both PT and SW solo could co-exist nicely.
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New flashy website.
Updated YouTube page.
Something will happen shortly.
Least expecting it, my ass.
2003 live release from the In Absentia tour.
They aren't doing all of this just to release a 2003 show.
I would love to see a reunion but I think it's just to release more music. Either way, I'm happy.
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Honestly, I'm hoping this means there will be more copies of The Incident printed on CD, so I can get that album at long last. (That said, I would also be excited at the prospect of a new album if it were to get announced.)
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I believe SW said in a recent interview that he's been working on 2 projects during the covid shutdowns - and one of them was a more guitar driven project....so its a possibility.
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I don't know when it first popped up, but there's going to be a reissue of The Incident releasing on September 24th, 2021. It's available for pre-order on Amazon and other sites.
https://www.amazon.com/Incident-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B099BZQMGH
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I don't see it listed there, but I swear I remember reading about this somewhere recently and it saying that the reissue will be with all 18 songs on one CD this time instead of the four songs not part of the song cycle on a second disc like originally released.
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I don't see it listed there, but I swear I remember reading about this somewhere recently and it saying that the reissue will be with all 18 songs on one CD this time instead of the four songs not part of the song cycle on a second disc like originally released.
That makes sense; the Audio CD format listing on Amazon only shows one CD next to the album art.
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It was announced a while back. Burning Shed also has it for pre-order
https://burningshed.com/porcupine-tree_the-incident_transmission-label-cd
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Oh nice, I'll have to pre-order the vinyl.
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I don't see it listed there, but I swear I remember reading about this somewhere recently and it saying that the reissue will be with all 18 songs on one CD this time instead of the four songs not part of the song cycle on a second disc like originally released.
That makes sense; the Audio CD format listing on Amazon only shows one CD next to the album art.
:tup :tup
I know some thought this album was a big drop-off, and I myself won't argue that it is as great overall as many of their other albums, but I still love The Incident, and will defend it till my last breath. :hat
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The Incident is my second-favorite Porcupine Tree album, only beaten by Deadwing. Amazing album from start to finish.
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The Incident is my second-favorite Porcupine Tree album, only beaten by Deadwing. Amazing album from start to finish.
There ya go. I am actually not overly wild about Remember Me Lover or the noisy ambient tracks (Occam's Razor, Degree Zero of Liberty), but everything else is money. I Drive the Hearse and Bonnie the Cat remain two of my favorite PT songs ever. :hat :hat
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I prefer the live version. I saw them twice on that tour and the song just hit harder live than the studio.
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I prefer the live version. I saw them twice on that tour and the song just hit harder live than the studio.
Which song?
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I prefer the live version. I saw them twice on that tour and the song just hit harder live than the studio.
Which song?
The Incident (the complete song). The vibe and flow came out better. Octane Twisted (the album) remains on decent rotation. As far as the individual songs go, I love Circle of Manias and Drive the Hearse.
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I'll throw my hat in as someone who also thinks The Incident is quite good and definitely underrated. It doesn't help, that SW himself, appears to be underwhelmed by it and uses it as, well not the reason he disbanded the band, but as almost proof that the band had gown "stale", which was what he needed to leave and go his own direction. At least that's how I see it.
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I prefer the live version. I saw them twice on that tour and the song just hit harder live than the studio.
Which song?
The Incident (the complete song). The vibe and flow came out better. Octane Twisted (the album) remains on decent rotation. As far as the individual songs go, I love Circle of Manias and Drive the Hearse.
They didn't play the whole suite the one I time saw them in 2010 (they played the first five songs to start off the show and then I Drive the Hearse later in the show), but I would imagine it would have slayed live to see it from start to finish.
I'll throw my hat in as someone who also thinks The Incident is quite good and definitely underrated. It doesn't help, that SW himself, appears to be underwhelmed by it and uses it as, well not the reason he disbanded the band, but as almost proof that the band had gown "stale", which was what he needed to leave and go his own direction. At least that's how I see it.
I cannot remember his exact comments, but it seems like he was getting bored with the harder rock edge and felt like he did The Incident to keep that sound going rather than still doing what he was all-in on, if that makes sense. The results were still damn good, but I get it if he wasn't feeling it anymore.
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I remember SW saying something like "every other album turned out great and every other turned out disappointing" so that would not only mean he was disappointed with The Incident but also that he wasn't fully happy with Deadwing or Lightbulb Sun either which I find more surprising. :p
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I remember him saying that. I think he didn't like Shallow that much in hindsight, and he's out there enough to where he probably thinks that is a stain on the whole record. Wilson is definitely a guy who can be very self-critical rather than being starry-eyed by his own work and thinking it was all pure magic.
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Shallow is good. There's several songs from Deadwing I prefer it to. Yeah it's a big dumb rock song but it's a GOOD big dumb rock song!
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"Porcupine Tree is very special thing to me. I'm sure we're gonna make another record."
https://youtu.be/vg-mPnyL4-I?t=3183
Obviously nothing is confirmed or set in stone, but it's good to know that this seems more likely than ever now.
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"Porcupine Tree is very special thing to me. I'm sure we're gonna make another record."
https://youtu.be/vg-mPnyL4-I?t=3183
Obviously nothing is confirmed or set in stone, but it's good to know that this seems more likely than ever now.
It’s very telling that he mentions what Gavin is doing at the moment, then he talks about how Richard is doing his solo stuff, and then….. ya.
I know we kind of received confirmation that Colin was out because of that “Porcupine Three” legal rearrangement that we all just saw, but it’s still kind of sad to hear the confirmation that Stephen won’t even mention his name at this point.
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I remember him saying that. I think he didn't like Shallow that much in hindsight, and he's out there enough to where he probably thinks that is a stain on the whole record. Wilson is definitely a guy who can be very self-critical rather than being starry-eyed by his own work and thinking it was all pure magic.
I actually agree with Wilson.
Shallow does bring that album down. For me, it's the vocals in the verses. I also do not enjoy Halo, but it does fit in the overall sound of the album, more so than Shallow. So Called Friend actually would work well too right after/before Halo.
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"Porcupine Tree is very special thing to me. I'm sure we're gonna make another record."
https://youtu.be/vg-mPnyL4-I?t=3183
Obviously nothing is confirmed or set in stone, but it's good to know that this seems more likely than ever now.
It’s very telling that he mentions what Gavin is doing at the moment, then he talks about how Richard is doing his solo stuff, and then….. ya.
I know we kind of received confirmation that Colin was out because of that “Porcupine Three” legal rearrangement that we all just saw, but it’s still kind of sad to hear the confirmation that Stephen won’t even mention his name at this point.
I noticed that. I always thought it was odd that Colin was the one member that Steven never did anything with post-PT.
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Do they have a history of not getting along? Colin's playing has always fit Porcupine Tree perfectly and he'll be missed if he isn't there for the new record, whenever it does come out.
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"Porcupine Tree is very special thing to me. I'm sure we're gonna make another record."
https://youtu.be/vg-mPnyL4-I?t=3183
Obviously nothing is confirmed or set in stone, but it's good to know that this seems more likely than ever now.
It’s very telling that he mentions what Gavin is doing at the moment, then he talks about how Richard is doing his solo stuff, and then….. ya.
I know we kind of received confirmation that Colin was out because of that “Porcupine Three” legal rearrangement that we all just saw, but it’s still kind of sad to hear the confirmation that Stephen won’t even mention his name at this point.
I haven't listened to the interview yet, but what did I miss about Colin and legal rearrangement? What happened that he's at odds with SW?
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"Porcupine Tree is very special thing to me. I'm sure we're gonna make another record."
https://youtu.be/vg-mPnyL4-I?t=3183
Obviously nothing is confirmed or set in stone, but it's good to know that this seems more likely than ever now.
It’s very telling that he mentions what Gavin is doing at the moment, then he talks about how Richard is doing his solo stuff, and then….. ya.
I know we kind of received confirmation that Colin was out because of that “Porcupine Three” legal rearrangement that we all just saw, but it’s still kind of sad to hear the confirmation that Stephen won’t even mention his name at this point.
I haven't listened to the interview yet, but what did I miss about Colin and legal rearrangement? What happened that he's at odds with SW?
Posted here not too long ago, there’s a new legal entity that’s a part of public record. The corporation is called Porcupine Three and the only parties are Stephen, Gavin, and Richard.
EDIT TO ADD - Beyond that, I don’t know that there’s been any public comment on exactly what happened. But it’s basically the same situation that we have with Haken and their keyboardist. It’s public record that he’s legally out of the band, but there’s been no confirmation or announcement or statement of any kind from any of the parties involved.
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"Porcupine Tree is very special thing to me. I'm sure we're gonna make another record."
https://youtu.be/vg-mPnyL4-I?t=3183
Obviously nothing is confirmed or set in stone, but it's good to know that this seems more likely than ever now.
It’s very telling that he mentions what Gavin is doing at the moment, then he talks about how Richard is doing his solo stuff, and then….. ya.
I know we kind of received confirmation that Colin was out because of that “Porcupine Three” legal rearrangement that we all just saw, but it’s still kind of sad to hear the confirmation that Stephen won’t even mention his name at this point.
I haven't listened to the interview yet, but what did I miss about Colin and legal rearrangement? What happened that he's at odds with SW?
Posted here not too long ago, there’s a new legal entity that’s a part of public record. The corporation is called Porcupine Three and the only parties are Stephen, Gavin, and Richard.
EDIT TO ADD - Beyond that, I don’t know that there’s been any public comment on exactly what happened. But it’s basically the same situation that we have with Haken and their keyboardist. It’s public record that he’s legally out of the band, but there’s been no confirmation or announcement or statement of any kind from any of the parties involved.
Ah OK. BTW, still haven't gotten into Haken yet, but I will, but I'm surprised to read that about Diego.
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Edwin's bass playing will definitely be missed if he is not part of the band anymore, but it is still great to hear that something is likely. I am someone who was fine with the band ending, and has loved his solo career, but if Wilson wants to put (most of) the band back together again, I am all for it.
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Well, if Colin is out, time to call Geddy about recording an album. :corn
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Porcupine Tree has some great basslines. I always wondered if Steven, as the sole writer for most songs, came up with them, or if Colin added his own ideas. If the latter is the case, Colin will be sorely missed.
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I feel like it was yesterday that Wilson claimed there is no chance Porcupine Tree will get back together. He was so adamant about it. I wonder what has changed.
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I feel like it was yesterday that Wilson claimed there is no chance Porcupine Tree will get back together. He was so adamant about it. I wonder what has changed.
The simple answer I think is no matter what happens, a lot of people get nostalgic about things over time and I think SW was very adamant to break off on his own because he wanted to stand on his own legs, but as time has passed, I'm sure he looks back at PT less as an annoyance (People giving PT more attention than his solo stuff) and probably more reverence. For the most part I would say time makes you reflect on things in a more positive way and you might start to miss some things that you didn't realize you would miss a couple of years earlier.
The more cynical part of my brain is looking at this as a smart move to create some interest. I liked The Future Bites but looking around, I feel like the ceiling of praise that album got was "Yeah its good" but a lot fewer people seem extremely optimistic about it compared to HCE or Raven for example. A lot of people didn't care for this direction at all and the people who did weren't really blown away either. I do think SW sees a future in his solo project being something different from what fans want so then it makes sense to push a PT reunion and make an album there. You get to please a big part of your fanbase while also taking some pressure off the solo career and he can still approach the next solo album as a different beast.
I think it's cool SW is doing what he is passionate about but I'd be curious to know how he himself reflects on The Future Bites. At the time of the release there was a lot of those "5/5 His best album yet" quotes by magazines/reviewers but it feels like that hype cloud has evaporated by now. You put this album up next to HCE or Raven for example, or even To the Bone and it doesn't feel it's been nearly as well received or talked about. The album came out this year but you don't hear anyone really talk about it much. Of course it hurt SW that he couldn't take this out on tour, cause maybe some songs will improve a lot live, but I wonder if this experience has humbled him perhaps. It feels like the first album he has put out that even some of the most hardcore fans weren't that hyped about. If so, I get why a PT reunion would be possible.
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The only "drama" I can recall between Wilson and Edwin was way back during the recordings for Signify, Wilson apparently replaced Edwin's takes for Waiting Phase One and Dark Matter with his own without asking. A bit of a dick move but I doubt that has anything to do with any bad blood currently.
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I was also wondering if the delayed release of TFB, and its subsequent less-than-stellar reception, kind of put the idea of a PT reunion into Steven's head as a way to "bounce back" from TFB, especially since he seemed to have had grand ideas for the tour, which probably won't happen at this rate. I bet his next big comeback will be the PT reunion album and/or tour.
-Marc.
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See I believe they've already recorded a new album over the last year or so during lock-down - have kept it quite and are possibly working out final details (which could include the Colin situation). Would not be surprised to hear news about it soon - just my prediction..
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See I believe they've already recorded a new album over the last year or so during lock-down - have kept it quite and are possibly working out final details (which could include the Colin situation). Would not be surprised to hear news about it soon - just my prediction..
I think so too. Also didn't SW say a while ago he had 2 other albums in the bag essentially and one was a guitar album? I think that will turn out to be a PT album.
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If a new PT record is released, I surely will buy it.
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If a new PT record is released, I surely will buy it.
Same.
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1st day buyer if there is new PT. Will be very interesting to see how the long break would impact new music.
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See I believe they've already recorded a new album over the last year or so during lock-down - have kept it quite and are possibly working out final details (which could include the Colin situation). Would not be surprised to hear news about it soon - just my prediction..
I think so too. Also didn't SW say a while ago he had 2 other albums in the bag essentially and one was a guitar album? I think that will turn out to be a PT album.
Yes he did, and that's one of the reasons I believe they've already recorded it. Add to that the revamped social media pages, the change in status for the "legal entity" of the band - and now these comments - l think news of a new album will be coming soon.
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Yeah, I would imagine a new PT album is either already done or in the works to happen very soon. Wilson wouldn't have thrown that "I am sure that band will do something again someday" comment out there otherwise. Makes me wonder if they are waiting to release it when they can tour it as well. I know Gavin is touring with King Crimson and has a tour next spring Pineapple Thief, so those are a few things to work around, for one. And of course there is Covid.
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I feel like it was yesterday that Wilson claimed there is no chance Porcupine Tree will get back together. He was so adamant about it. I wonder what has changed.
The simple answer I think is no matter what happens, a lot of people get nostalgic about things over time and I think SW was very adamant to break off on his own because he wanted to stand on his own legs, but as time has passed, I'm sure he looks back at PT less as an annoyance (People giving PT more attention than his solo stuff) and probably more reverence. For the most part I would say time makes you reflect on things in a more positive way and you might start to miss some things that you didn't realize you would miss a couple of years earlier.
The more cynical part of my brain is looking at this as a smart move to create some interest. I liked The Future Bites but looking around, I feel like the ceiling of praise that album got was "Yeah its good" but a lot fewer people seem extremely optimistic about it compared to HCE or Raven for example. A lot of people didn't care for this direction at all and the people who did weren't really blown away either. I do think SW sees a future in his solo project being something different from what fans want so then it makes sense to push a PT reunion and make an album there. You get to please a big part of your fanbase while also taking some pressure off the solo career and he can still approach the next solo album as a different beast.
I think it's cool SW is doing what he is passionate about but I'd be curious to know how he himself reflects on The Future Bites. At the time of the release there was a lot of those "5/5 His best album yet" quotes by magazines/reviewers but it feels like that hype cloud has evaporated by now. You put this album up next to HCE or Raven for example, or even To the Bone and it doesn't feel it's been nearly as well received or talked about. The album came out this year but you don't hear anyone really talk about it much. Of course it hurt SW that he couldn't take this out on tour, cause maybe some songs will improve a lot live, but I wonder if this experience has humbled him perhaps. It feels like the first album he has put out that even some of the most hardcore fans weren't that hyped about. If so, I get why a PT reunion would be possible.
It's also the first album in the whole PT/SW discography that I really don't care about. It seemed he stripped away almost everything on purpose, all the grandeur and epic builds are just gone. That said, it's certainly not a bad record or anything. I found it quite boring - something I never had with SW's music.
And of course THAT's the album Anthony Fantano likes. He dislikes everything the man puts out but The Future Bites is okay in his book.
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While I think it's admirable for SW to still want to try new things, it's also totally fair for the fans to have certain expectations from him considering he's been making music for 30 years. I feel like the awkward position of The Future Bites is that it's not really good enough to transcend genres and have people blown away, and it also abandons a lot of the things fans like in his music. Radiohead got a lot of flack from some when going from OK Computer to Kid A though a lot of people can recognize the first is a classic alt rock album and the second a classic electronic album. However in the case of SW what we got was a fairly average (or decent) pop album but a lot of the SW purists don't care for it at all and I don't see it gaining him a ton of new fans either.
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And of course THAT's the album Anthony Fantano likes. He dislikes everything the man puts out but The Future Bites is okay in his book.
Who is Anthony Fantano? I mean, I know who he is, but why does his opinion on Steven Wilson matter?
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And of course THAT's the album Anthony Fantano likes. He dislikes everything the man puts out but The Future Bites is okay in his book.
Who is Anthony Fantano? I mean, I know who he is, but why does his opinion on Steven Wilson matter?
And really, Fantano hasn't been right about much over the last few years. At least in my opinion.
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And of course THAT's the album Anthony Fantano likes. He dislikes everything the man puts out but The Future Bites is okay in his book.
Who is Anthony Fantano? I mean, I know who he is, but why does his opinion on Steven Wilson matter?
And really, Fantano hasn't been right about much over the last few years. At least in my opinion.
I'm curious to hear what kind of music he makes. I wonder if there's more substance behind him than just being a "content creator" on YouTube.
UPDATE: Found his album on bandcamp. Listening now. https://anthonyfantanoricharddalbis.bandcamp.com/album/taiga
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His reviews can be interesting but I just find him personality wise to be the blandest cracker on youtube. He gives high scores to albums others also give high scores to, he keeps reviewing albums in genres he clearly doesn't like (SW and BTBAM 2 examples) but the thing I find the most boring with him is that unlike every other human, he doesn't seem to have any bands or artists that he feels very passionate about where he might be in a minority. And IMO it's more interesting with people who have some odd opinions, or they have some favorite band that isn't on the top100 RYM list or whatever.
He's good at what it does but his taste in music is just so boring and 'safe'.
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He got me to check out Anamanaguchi and King Gizzard (among others) so his many sins are forgiven
EDIT: And Moonsorrow ;) ;) ;)
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He got me to check out Anamanaguchi and King Gizzard (among others) so his many sins are forgiven
EDIT: And Moonsorrow ;) ;) ;)
Wait, it wasn't me that turned you on to Moonsorrow? :biggrin:
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He got me to check out Anamanaguchi and King Gizzard (among others) so his many sins are forgiven
EDIT: And Moonsorrow ;) ;) ;)
Wait, it wasn't me that turned you on to Moonsorrow? :biggrin:
I heard the name on here prior (probably from you sending them in roulettes) but you never actually sent me them in any of mine. I didn't actually listen to them until I saw his review of Jumalten Aika, which stuck out to me because he was describing stuff that I usually like and he usually doesn't like, yet he gave it a great score, so I figured it must be something special. And it was! He gave it an 8 and I'd probably give it a 9 or at least a damn strong 8. My second best discovery of last year behind Lift Your Skinny Fists! which I was quite late to the party on. :lol
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It's also the first album in the whole PT/SW discography that I really don't care about. It seemed he stripped away almost everything on purpose, all the grandeur and epic builds are just gone. That said, it's certainly not a bad record or anything. I found it quite boring - something I never had with SW's music.
I still like the overall Future Bites experience (album + all of the bonus tracks) quite a bit, this feels like a rare album where he didn't make the right choices as to what songs to put on the proper album. It feels like quite a few of the best songs were relegated to being bonus songs, and this is a rare SW album that feels like a collection of songs rather than a well-flowing record, so I feel that a few tweaks could have made the proper album a lot better. I'd still rank it near the bottom if I had to rank his PT/solo albums together, but it'd still be better, IMO.
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It's also the first album in the whole PT/SW discography that I really don't care about. It seemed he stripped away almost everything on purpose, all the grandeur and epic builds are just gone. That said, it's certainly not a bad record or anything. I found it quite boring - something I never had with SW's music.
I still like the overall Future Bites experience (album + all of the bonus tracks) quite a bit, this feels like a rare album where he didn't make the right choices as to what songs to put on the proper album. It feels like quite a few of the best songs were relegated to being bonus songs, and this is a rare SW album that feels like a collection of songs rather than a well-flowing record, so I feel that a few tweaks could have made the proper album a lot better. I'd still rank it near the bottom if I had to rank his PT/solo albums together, but it'd still be better, IMO.
For me, that makes it even more a part of the concept. :lol
Like how they keep some good b-sides in order to sell more.
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I still like the overall Future Bites experience (album + all of the bonus tracks) quite a bit, this feels like a rare album where he didn't make the right choices as to what songs to put on the proper album.
Perhaps. But it's amazing we get to make that determination for ourselves, isn't it? The vast majority of artists we tend to like in this forum wouldn't make available the number of tracks Wilson did surrounding this release.
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I still like the overall Future Bites experience (album + all of the bonus tracks) quite a bit, this feels like a rare album where he didn't make the right choices as to what songs to put on the proper album.
Perhaps. But it's amazing we get to make that determination for ourselves, isn't it? The vast majority of artists we tend to like in this forum wouldn't make available the number of tracks Wilson did surrounding this release.
Oh, for sure. I just think this is a rare instance where I don't think the proper album wasn't as great as it could have been given all of the songs that were left off. And I am not in the "all of the best songs have to be on the proper album" camp. I think Drown with Me was one of the top 5 songs from the In Absentia sessions, but it would have sounded out of place on In Absentia, so leaving it off was, IMO, the right decision.
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I still like the overall Future Bites experience (album + all of the bonus tracks) quite a bit, this feels like a rare album where he didn't make the right choices as to what songs to put on the proper album.
Perhaps. But it's amazing we get to make that determination for ourselves, isn't it? The vast majority of artists we tend to like in this forum wouldn't make available the number of tracks Wilson did surrounding this release.
Oh, for sure. I just think this is a rare instance where I don't think the proper album wasn't as great as it could have been given all of the songs that were left off. And I am not in the "all of the best songs have to be on the proper album" camp. I think Drown with Me was one of the top 5 songs from the In Absentia sessions, but it would have sounded out of place on In Absentia, so leaving it off was, IMO, the right decision.
That's how I feel about So Called Friend. It would fit on the album, but then adding it would sort of drag it out a little bit.
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That's how I feel about So Called Friend. It would fit on the album, but then adding it would sort of drag it out a little bit.
Big time. I liked that song a lot at first, probably because I was still in my honeymoon phase with PT when I heard it, but it didn't age well for me at all. I never listen to it anymore. Ever.
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Perhaps this is controversial, but aside from Buying New Soul, Stars Die, & a few from the OTSOL-era demos, I think the band has always made the right choices on which songs to cut from the album & which to keep.
Same with SW solo apart from Eyewitness & Anyone But Me.
(Edit: & maybe a few Insurgentes B-sides too, though I'm not as familiar with that album)
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Perhaps this is controversial, but aside from Buying New Soul, Stars Die, & a few from the OTSOL-era demos, I think the band has always made the right choices on which songs to cut from the album & which to keep.
Same with SW solo apart from Eyewitness & Anyone But Me.
(Edit: & maybe a few Insurgentes B-sides too, though I'm not as familiar with that album)
As much as I love it, even Stars Die would’ve sounded out of place on TSMS since the rest of the songs had programmed drums. Buying New Soul seems distant from SD and LS as well even though it’s from the same era. It almost feels like there should’ve been an album in between LS and IA that’s not just b-sides like Recordings.
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Some of the best PT B-Sides weren't even written/recorded at the same time as their closest album. If I'm remembering correctly Buying New Soul and Futile were written shortly after Lightbulb Sun and In Absentia, respectively.
And as strong as the Nil Recurring EP is, FOABP is pretty much the perfect package already so I don't think adding any songs from that would have improved it.
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Buying New Sould was written after Lightbulb Sun was finished recording, but before Lightbulb Sun released, meaning they could've delayed the album to include it if they really wanted to.
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New Porcupine Tree album soon?
https://twitter.com/PorcupineTree/status/1453708372595912710?s=20
P/T
C/C
I wonder what it means? 🤔
-Marc.
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New Porcupine Tree album soon?
https://twitter.com/PorcupineTree/status/1453708372595912710?s=20
P/T
C/C
I wonder what it means? 🤔
-Marc.
Porcupine Tree, Coheed and Cambria are touring again. :)
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I wanna get excited but i'm afraid it might be a special extended vinyl edition with a C side of never before heard outakes of bloopers in the studio or something like that...
So i'm keeping my cool for now.
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Well it's from Sony music and someone reversed the audio
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv6s5jsji2etzr8/PT%20reversed.mp3?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv6s5jsji2etzr8/PT%20reversed.mp3?dl=0)
Could be a new track
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P/T - Porcupine Tree
C/C- Credit Card
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Collin/Cedwin
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Cannibal Corpse
Creative Cloud
Cryptocurrency
Credit Card (in reference to The Future Bites)
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I imagine Steven will also play the bass on the new album if it's true that Colin is out of the band?
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I imagine Steven will also play the bass on the new album if it's true that Colin is out of the band?
well, Porcupine Tree's insta page follows every one of their members' as well, Colin included, so he might not be out
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Both Steven and Gavin shared the video teaser, but not Colin. Richard isn't very active on social media, I think, so I don't expect him sharing it, but Colin has been active at least on Facebook.
-Marc.
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If Colin is out, I hope Nick Beggs will play the bass on the new album.
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You can hear the new song in the teaser when you reverse the audio.
https://youtu.be/448Z1yDu0Bs
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See I believe they've already recorded a new album over the last year or so during lock-down - have kept it quite and are possibly working out final details (which could include the Colin situation). Would not be surprised to hear news about it soon - just my prediction..
I'm standing by my previous statement.
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You can hear the new song in the teaser when you reverse the audio.
https://youtu.be/448Z1yDu0Bs
Ooooookay, so this might actually be legit. :corn
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(https://www.myinstants.com/media/instants_images/images_mIKu3nR.gif)
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I'm more interested in a tour than an album, but both would be fine. That said, I'd be bummed if Colin weren't around.
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Haven't followed anything SW-related in a while, and then I saw this thread was blowing up, and now my mind is blown that it looks like we're getting a new Porcupine Tree album. Wild.
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I'm more interested in a tour than an album, but both would be fine. That said, I'd be bummed if Colin weren't around.
Me too. Colin is a big part of Porcupine Tree for me. He is the groove of PT. His entire persona really fits that mood of the band. For me, PT is like a laid back band that does go for metal but also has a limit that doesn't go past that point. Even Anesthetize has a laid back atmosphere to it.
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Cool!
And what does 'A8Kk5XaqP8B6SMpN' mean? ???
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I imagine Steven will also play the bass on the new album if it's true that Colin is out of the band?
I hope not. If Edwin is out, which would be a bummer, I would rather they give the job to a full time bass player who has his own style.
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I imagine Steven will also play the bass on the new album if it's true that Colin is out of the band?
I hope not. If Edwin is out, which would be a bummer, I would rather they give the job to a full time bass player who has his own style.
I'd be totally game to see Nick play bass with PT if it came down to Edwin not being a part of this.
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Wait what? Never expected a new PT album/tour but now I'll be bummed for the rest of eternity if it doesn't happen :angry:
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It's funny that PorcuTree stopped functioning and gavin went and joined another band with the same initials and very similar music.
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Yeah. I love Ping Trimson. ;)
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I imagine Steven will also play the bass on the new album if it's true that Colin is out of the band?
I hope not. If Edwin is out, which would be a bummer, I would rather they give the job to a full time bass player who has his own style.
I'd be totally game to see Nick play bass with PT if it came down to Edwin not being a part of this.
As long as any new PT has both Wilson and Barbieri, I am good with it. Harrison and/or Edwin as well would just be icing on the cake.
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It's funny that PorcuTree stopped functioning and gavin went and joined another band with the same initials and very similar music.
Yeah. I love Ping Trimson. ;)
No, I think he means Phe Tineapplethief.
-Marc.
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:angry: NO
Obviously I was talking about that time he sat in with PoTasis
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The pineapple doesn't fall far from the porcupine tree.
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Nah it doesn't have a chance - it gets thieved immediately. ::)
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Pineapple Tree or Porcupine Thief?
Cover band name ideas!
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The Pineapple Thief took from the Porcupine Tree. :biggrin:
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I imagine Steven will also play the bass on the new album if it's true that Colin is out of the band?
I hope not. If Edwin is out, which would be a bummer, I would rather they give the job to a full time bass player who has his own style.
I'd be totally game to see Nick play bass with PT if it came down to Edwin not being a part of this.
As long as any new PT has both Wilson and Barbieri, I am good with it. Harrison and/or Edwin as well would just be icing on the cake.
Harrison is mandatory. Without him my interest plummets.
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Is it possible that Colin is just no longer a member or officer of the corporation (not sure how it works in the UK) - but could still possibly be a part of this just as an hired employee?
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Harrison is mandatory. Without him my interest plummets.
He is not a deal breaker for me. PT was awesome without him (see: The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify, Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun), and yes they were awesome with him as well, but I feel that Barbieri is more important to their overall sound due to his unique style that is all about sound and textures, not playing.
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Harrison is mandatory. Without him my interest plummets.
He is not a deal breaker for me. PT was awesome without him (see: The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify, Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun), and yes they were awesome with him as well, but I feel that Barbieri is more important to their overall sound due to his unique style that is all about sound and textures, not playing.
I agree 100%. However, based on some things SW has said recently, it's a pretty safe bet Gavin and Richard are in. I think Colin is the only question mark.
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Harrison is mandatory. Without him my interest plummets.
He is not a deal breaker for me. PT was awesome without him (see: The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify, Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun), and yes they were awesome with him as well, but I feel that Barbieri is more important to their overall sound due to his unique style that is all about sound and textures, not playing.
I agree 100%. However, based on some things SW has said recently, it's a pretty safe bet Gavin and Richard are in. I think Colin is the only question mark.
Right. By no means, am I implying that I hope Harrison is not part of the apparent reunion. Best case scenario is that the four from the 2002-2010 years would all be back (and please leave John Wesley and his subpar guitar playing in the live environment at home!!). I was merely saying that, for me, Wilson and Barbieri are the two most important members of PT, which I stand by.
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GH did share the teaser on his social media accounts, so it is safe to assume that he's a part of this. Plus, the teaser, sped up and reversed, clearly includes a GH drum kit.
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A new teaser is up with the date 1.11.21 listed (which is the English way of saying November 1st, 2021), which I am guessing means an announcement of what is coming is happening this Monday.
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That date format threw me for a loop lol. Monday should be fun!
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https://twitter.com/ricknm_93/status/1454439971717267457?t=jHdDmH9R3RFHUGGfFgYaDA&s=19
Someone sped up the new teaser. That's some tasty bass playing!
-Marc.
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A new teaser is up with the date 1.11.21 listed (which is the LOGICAL way of saying November 1st, 2021), which I am guessing means an announcement of what is coming is happening this Monday.
Day Month Year. :hat
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A new teaser is up with the date 1.11.21 listed (which is the LOGICAL way of saying November 1st, 2021), which I am guessing means an announcement of what is coming is happening this Monday.
Day Month Year. :hat
A question just occurred to me. When saying it out loud, do the English say “the first of November” or “November 1st”? Americans obviously use the latter, which seems easier to me (less wordy) and in turn would led to why we number it the way we do.
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Coming out of hiding just to say I can’t fucking wait!
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Oh man FlyingBizkit, hope you're doing well!
I'm so excited for this release.
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Porcupine 3
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FC8_CspWUAcs2Mi?format=jpg&name=large)
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Holy crow! :omg:
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Yes it's happening for real ;)
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I thought that these reunion would happen some day, but much more far in the future. Really glad that it is already happening!!!
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Porcupine 3
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FC8_CspWUAcs2Mi?format=jpg&name=large)
Whoa, where did you find that picture?! Apparently I saw someone mention on FB that the info is "already out there brought to you 'by the letter H'", so somewhere online is the info about this album/project/release.
Any guesses on what C/C means?! Colin's Canned?
-Marc.
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it could easily be the name of the song the clip is from, or the album title perhaps.
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Porcupine 3
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FC8_CspWUAcs2Mi?format=jpg&name=large)
Whoa, where did you find that picture?! Apparently I saw someone mention on FB that the info is "already out there brought to you 'by the letter H'", so somewhere online is the info about this album/project/release.
Any guesses on what C/C means?! Colin's Canned?
-Marc.
Apparently reverse Google image search thinks Steven and co. are the band fun. :rollin
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btw, I've never seen this before, but an In Absentia documentary was recently put up on YouTube for anyone else interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eydLqNFlvE0
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Coming out of hiding just to say I can’t fucking wait!
:caffeine:
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A new teaser is up with the date 1.11.21 listed (which is the LOGICAL way of saying November 1st, 2021), which I am guessing means an announcement of what is coming is happening this Monday.
Day Month Year. :hat
A question just occurred to me. When saying it out loud, do the English say “the first of November” or “November 1st”? Americans obviously use the latter, which seems easier to me (less wordy) and in turn would led to why we number it the way we do.
We say both. But written down it's always Day Month Year.
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I thought that these reunion would happen some day, but much more far in the future. Really glad that it is already happening!!!
You and me both!
I have long held the position that I was fine with Porcupine Tree ending when it did over a decade ago, but I am thrilled that they are apparently coming back. Bummer to see that Edwin is likely not a part of it, and it makes me wonder if they will get someone who hasn't worked with any of them yet to play bass, or if Wilson will get Nick Beggs from his solo band to slide on over and take that spot. Based on that picture, I am guessing whoever does play bass will not become an official new member of the band.
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I have zero issues with Beggs taking the part.
I didn't even discover this band till after they had stopped playing, and was resigned to never seeing them live. Seems I may have to change that.
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It's Steven's career and he is allowed to do whatever he wants with it, but I would rather follow the solo path rather than a Porcupine Tree reunion without one of the members. Maybe I should hear the album before "passing judgement."
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I wonder what is going on with Colin. Do they have any beef with each other? If not, what can Colin possibly have to do that is more important than joining PT? I can't think of anything he could do right now that would be more awesome for him than reuniting PT. SW brings hin awesome compositions and everyone contributes their magic to create music that only this band can create. Also, I can't imagine Colin doing anything more profitable than this.
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I wonder what is going on with Colin. Do they have any beef with each other? If not, what can Colin possibly have to do that is more important than joining PT? I can't think of anything he could do right now that would be more awesome for him than reuniting PT. SW brings hin awesome compositions and everyone contributes their magic to create music that only this band can create. Also, I can't imagine Colin doing anything more profitable than this.
It's been a decade since the band dissolved, I don't find it that surprising if he moved on and is unavailable. Would rather see him as a member of it than missing out on it though.
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I mean maybe he dosen' t wanna join a big band like PT and commit to touring if that's on the horizon. Maybe he actually have a good day job he enjoys and dosen't wanna leave that for something that may only last for one album cycle. There's no money in albums anymore especially in a band that hasn't released anything in 10 years. He most likely earn more doing his job.
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Interview with Colin Edwin from earlier this year:
https://youtu.be/Q-4Hw8zC4Lg
Listen around 45:45 for about five minutes as he discusses when and why PT stopped over a decade ago. My takeaway is that he has moved on and doesn't have any interest in playing with the other three anymore.
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I mean maybe he dosen' t wanna join a big band like PT and commit to touring if that's on the horizon. Maybe he actually have a good day job he enjoys and dosen't wanna leave that for something that may only last for one album cycle. There's no money in albums anymore especially in a band that hasn't released anything in 10 years. He most likely earn more doing his job.
Your first part I can follow; not wanting to commit to touring. The second part, him earning more money, is not something I can follow from an artist's viewpoint. If making music is your main goal, money will probably come second to that. Even if you do have a good job, you can still have the need for making music. Money isn't everything in this world, though the world often makes you believe it is.
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Wasn't the Incident 2009 ?
If there's a new album in 2022 it'll be 13 years like TOOL.
2022 will also be the band's 35th anniversary.
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Except that Tool never actively disbanded.
I know that doesn't matter for the years in between albums, but Tool literally took 13 years for a new album, whereas Porcupine Tree had about 10 years off. In terms of productivity, that does matter.
And yes, while 'Porcupine Tree' started in 1987, it was not until years later that it actually became a band, rather than a one-man project.
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Right, I think it was when touring on Up the Downstair in 1993 that the lineup that would remain until Maitland's departure came together. 10 studio albums in 18 years (1992-2009), and that is not even counting Recordings, the EPs and the tons of others non-album songs they did. To say that PT was a prolific band would be an understatement. :tup :tup
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Yeah PT isn't even remotely close to being compared to Tool. Tool were still touring and talking about new music, PT was essentially dead for a decade before being started up again.
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I mean maybe he dosen' t wanna join a big band like PT and commit to touring if that's on the horizon. Maybe he actually have a good day job he enjoys and dosen't wanna leave that for something that may only last for one album cycle. There's no money in albums anymore especially in a band that hasn't released anything in 10 years. He most likely earn more doing his job.
Your first part I can follow; not wanting to commit to touring. The second part, him earning more money, is not something I can follow from an artist's viewpoint. If making music is your main goal, money will probably come second to that. Even if you do have a good job, you can still have the need for making music. Money isn't everything in this world, though the world often makes you believe it is.
Of course, i'm not saying he dosen't make music but rejoining a big band and go on tour is a big commitment and probably means he gotta quit his job. Since he probably has to choose job or PT he might choose the first to have a secure income. Money IS a big thing if you have a family for example or atleast a steady income.
Look i'm just guessing here so I don't know of course but I think he might have buildt a good life with a secure job and playing music in projects and smaller bands.
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I'm with Kev that judging by that interview posted, Colin does sound kinda done with the band. The fact he hasn't listened to anything SW did after the band dissolved (or felt the need to) and just the way he spoke about the band made it sound like something in the past he was happy to be a part of and something that reached its conclusion.
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Now the other, less important question is... If the tour, will Wesley come along?
I'd be interested to hear what backing vocals from both Beggs and Wesley would sound like :lol
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Jay, that's a great point. Their harmonies would be amazing.
Wesley did join Vertical Horizon but I think their tour ended.
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Let's hope not regarding Wesley. His guitar playing is always atrocious when he is given a solo. Keep him as far away from this reunion as possible, please.
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I knew you'd say that Kev. Lol.
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Well, if he is brought back, and is given solos to play live, the next solo he does a good job on will be his first. He managed to single-handedly ruin the live version of Dark Matter on the Anesthetize live DVD by butchering the crap out of the first solo.
Surely, they can find another guitarist/singer who can presumably do a much better job.
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They might depending on if he's allowed since joining VH.
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Well, if he is brought back, and is given solos to play live, the next solo he does a good job on will be his first. He managed to single-handedly ruin the live version of Dark Matter on the Anesthetize live DVD by butchering the crap out of the first solo.
Surely, they can find another guitarist/singer who can presumably do a much better job.
I don't feel AS strongly about John Wesley as you (though I'm not a huge fan either) but this feels like the kind of situation where he would be brought back more for nostalgia and having been a part in the past rather than adding another level to it. :D
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Let's hope not regarding Wesley. His guitar playing is always atrocious when he is given a solo. Keep him as far away from this reunion as possible, please.
His guitar playing is inconsequential compared to his backing vox. He's a perfect fit there because he does SW's vocals from the album so well. I guess that Beggs guy will do alright, but I'm hoping they keep this as far removed from SW's solo stuff as possible.
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Beggs is very versatile in his playing. If anything, he hasn't played much on the last 2 SW albums with Steven playing most of the bass.
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Well I'm guessing, based on that photo, that they are now a 3 piece band, and SW undoubtedly played all the bass when they recorded the album - so If they tour, I'm sure the bass player would be a "hired gun", vs. a new member of the band. If it's Nick Beggs great! Doesn't get much better than him - and I'm with Kev on Wesley, keep him out of it!
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I love John Wesley's role in the live band! I think he complements the band quite well. Plus I really like his vocals. Is that picture of the three of them an official picture? or something that leaked early?
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It’s a photo that’s shown on a German ticketing website.
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It’s a photo that’s shown on a German ticketing website.
not a ticketing website per se (although FKP Scorpio do sell tickets as well), but they are an actual booking agency first and foremost (and they worked with Porcupine Tree quite a bit during the Gavin era)
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Let's hope not regarding Wesley. His guitar playing is always atrocious when he is given a solo. Keep him as far away from this reunion as possible, please.
Got to agree with you Kev. I enjoy Wes' voice and I really liked his vocals on fadeaway but his guitar playing is terrible IMO.
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The bass player for The Aristocrats might be a good fit. PLus SW has played with Guthrie and Marco as well hasn't he ?
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Didn't end well with Marco.
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Let's hope not regarding Wesley. His guitar playing is always atrocious when he is given a solo. Keep him as far away from this reunion as possible, please.
Got to agree with you Kev. I enjoy Wes' voice and I really liked his vocals on fadeaway but his guitar playing is terrible IMO.
:tup :tup
Didn't end well with Marco.
Marco is a helluva drummer, but seems like a bit of a hothead. Must be a drummer thing. ;)
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He might of had a point though. He wasn't included in the gold record celebration and was pissed because he had prior commitments to The Aristocrats and didn't play the second leg of Wilson's tour
At least, I think that was the reason.
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I cannot remember the specifics of the gold album thing, but I am pretty sure it was for an album by "Steven Wilson." Not "Steven Wilson and Marco Minnemann," or "The Steven Wilson Band." Sure, it would have been a nice gesture for SW to give props to the key members of his band who played on the record, but getting your panties in a twist over it seemed a bit unnecessary.
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I just trying to remember the reasoning for the issue between them. Marco was sensitive about it for sure.
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Here are MM’s original comments on the gold record thing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/547wfa/marco_minnemannsteven_wilson_drama/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
Then he had some more comments here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/marco_minnemann_says_he_does_not_get_along_with_steven_wilson_would_gladly_join_band_with_geddy_lee__alex_lifeson.html
What makes Steve Wilson a genius?
"I don't know, you tell me. [Laughs] I don't want to say anything about that, I'm not getting along with Steven Wilson. I didn't know his music before I was in the band, and I don't have to listen to it after. I guess that says enough."
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From what I remember it wasn't even Steven Wilson's doing. It was either the record company or some other entity that requested the gold record or plaque and presented it to Steven Wilson. That's how I remember it and I think the thinking at the time was, 'is Marco pissed at SW? or whoever presented the plaque'
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None of that would have happened if Dream Theater had just picked him instead of the other MM that auditioned. 🤣
Can you imagine the timeline where Marco was pick and continued to be DT's drummer? No Aristocrats, most likely, and Steven would've picked a different drummer for those earlier solo tours. Prog as we know it might have changed quite a bit over the last 11 years!
-Marc.
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None of that would have happened if Dream Theater had just picked him instead of the other MM that auditioned. 🤣
Can you imagine the timeline where Marco was pick and continued to be DT's drummer? No Aristocrats, most likely, and Steven would've picked a different drummer for those earlier solo tours. Prog as we know it might have changed quite a bit over the last 11 years!
-Marc.
At one point Nick D’Virgilio had an offer to tour with SW and turned it down to do the Cirque du Soleil gig. Had he chosen the SW tour and ended up more permanently working with SW we wouldn’t have Big Big Train as we know it, so major bullet dodged there.
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None of that would have happened if Dream Theater had just picked him instead of the other MM that auditioned. 🤣
Can you imagine the timeline where Marco was pick and continued to be DT's drummer? No Aristocrats, most likely, and Steven would've picked a different drummer for those earlier solo tours. Prog as we know it might have changed quite a bit over the last 11 years!
-Marc.
At one point Nick D’Virgilio had an offer to tour with SW and turned it down to do the Cirque du Soleil gig. Had he chosen the SW tour and ended up more permanently working with SW we wouldn’t have Big Big Train as we know it, so major bullet dodged there.
Oh wow I had no idea about that! I'm glad we live in *this* timeline then. Nick's work in BBT has been some of his best and probably rivals his work with SB. I can't really imagine him being with SW, but he's so good that he probably would pull it off spectacularly.
-Marc.
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Here are MM’s original comments on the gold record thing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/547wfa/marco_minnemannsteven_wilson_drama/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
Then he had some more comments here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/marco_minnemann_says_he_does_not_get_along_with_steven_wilson_would_gladly_join_band_with_geddy_lee__alex_lifeson.html
What makes Steve Wilson a genius?
"I don't know, you tell me. [Laughs] I don't want to say anything about that, I'm not getting along with Steven Wilson. I didn't know his music before I was in the band, and I don't have to listen to it after. I guess that says enough."
So basically, he admits that he was a hired hand...so what was he so upset about? Good grief.
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Here are MM’s original comments on the gold record thing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/547wfa/marco_minnemannsteven_wilson_drama/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
Then he had some more comments here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/marco_minnemann_says_he_does_not_get_along_with_steven_wilson_would_gladly_join_band_with_geddy_lee__alex_lifeson.html
What makes Steve Wilson a genius?
"I don't know, you tell me. [Laughs] I don't want to say anything about that, I'm not getting along with Steven Wilson. I didn't know his music before I was in the band, and I don't have to listen to it after. I guess that says enough."
So basically, he admits that he was a hired hand...so what was he so upset about? Good grief.
My guess is there is more to it than just the gold record thing. Either that or MM is just really petty. Could be a little of both.
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I cannot remember the specifics of the gold album thing, but I am pretty sure it was for an album by "Steven Wilson." Not "Steven Wilson and Marco Minnemann," or "The Steven Wilson Band." Sure, it would have been a nice gesture for SW to give props to the key members of his band who played on the record, but getting your panties in a twist over it seemed a bit unnecessary.
The question is why wouldn't you give them one? If there are only three to go around then that's one thing. The girl who gives blowjobs to the assistant of the studio second engineer gets a gold record, though. Everybody does. They're like Super Bowl rings. You contribute, you get one. Deciding that two people who played on an album, and almost certainly contributed to the final product just seems kind of suspect to me.
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It could simply mean their personalities clashed in the studio and/or on tour. I feel Marco is very much a drummer that likes to have control of his own playing and creativity and Steven likes to have control of everything since well it's his project. I could see that creating some tension.
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Marco does seem like a bit of a hot head but on the flip side SW does come off as very arrogant in a lot of interviews so definitely feels like a oil/water situation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5v4Ohxk5k Bang.
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https://porcupinetree.tmstor.es/?lf=dc4f5a2c3e882c57014d691fd0a63311&fbclid=IwAR1EDBjBnPl2j-jw7_XHYCuH_WFvxdzpc9mK_2cXMHiBkenLqjCLgWTxRZY
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Fuck me. What a beautiful surprise.
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Man June of next year for an album release seems so far away.
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Was never a big fan of Porcupine Tree - hugely prefer Steven's solo output - but that track is a monster! And bloody hell, it's par excellence sonically. Obviously.
Album pre-ordered, will attempt to get tickets in the pre-sale on Wednesday.
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Porcupine Tree is back?? :o
Going to listen to the new track later!
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Very good :D
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That was quite the bombastic entrance they did, what a beast of a song! Heavy and aggressive and Gavin just smashes it! Love the calm ending too.
Btw i'm getting this on cassette! :lol
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No tracklisting yet ? I wonder if it's more on the Incident level of a lot of tracks or like Blank Planet's 6 songs with one very long one.
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That was quite the bombastic entrance they did, what a beast of a song! Heavy and aggressive and Gavin just smashes it! Love the calm ending too.
Btw i'm getting this on cassette! :lol
Bands should start doing MiniDiscs again.
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I'll hold off on the music until the full album is out but I feel like in the artwork department SW has gotten considerably worse in recent years. This looks terrible and IMO so did The Future Bites cover. Compare these to the classic PT covers and it's like night and day.
At least the artwork doesn't determine the quality of the album. :p
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The cover with the white square and black Arial text reminds me of David Bowie's The Next Day.
I love the middle section of the song. With the bleeping synths.
Also can anyone read the text on the CD?
At least Seven Tracks ?
(https://img.tmstor.es/porcupinetree/88580-33bb9d564a8f5e70f8183bd21f15084d.png)
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10 tracks
https://music.apple.com/gb/album/1592522261?ign-itscg=30440&ign-itsct=catchall_p5 (https://music.apple.com/gb/album/1592522261?ign-itscg=30440&ign-itsct=catchall_p5)
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That track was fantastic. Waiting 8 months for the 7 track album is going to be painful.
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Cool track. Sounds about on par with The Incident (it's giving me disc 2 vibes). Not a big fan of the glam-style vocal delay/verb, reminds me of The Future Bites. Other than that, it's business as usual, which is good. Loving the eastern scales in the middle part. Nice and heavy, eerie. Really the FoaBP/Incident era PT here.
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Interesting. They look like long songs. 10 songs 8 minutes each would be 1 CD with no space left on it.
That super catchy chorus reminds me of SOMETHING and I dont know what. U2 ? That kind of vibe.
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I think the regular album is 7 tracks with the deluxe edition having 3 bonus tracks. Apple music might have included all 10 of them as part of the release.
The 10 songs 8 minutes quip from Apple music isn't talking about each song length. It's what has been released so far.
Some info from NME (https://www.nme.com/news/music/porcupine-tree-return-with-new-single-harridan-and-closure-continuation-album-announcement-3084235)
Porcupine Tree have made their comeback today (November 1) with new single ‘Harridan’ and news of their 11th album, ‘CLOSURE/CONTINUATION’.
The band last released an album in 2009 (‘The Incident’). They released ten albums between 1992’s ‘On The Sunday of Life’ and 2009’s ‘The Incident’ before entering a hiatus after their biggest live show to date at the Royal Albert Hall in October 2010.
Now, the band comprising Steven Wilson, Richard Barbieri and Gavin Harrison are back with a frenetic new single, which you can listen to below. Their new album ‘CLOSURE/CONTINUATION’ is due for release on June 24, 2022 via Music For Nations/Sony.
Porcupine Tree said in a statement: “‘Harridan’ and a few of the other new songs have been in play since shortly after the release of ‘The Incident’. They initially lived on a hard drive in a slowly growing computer file marked PT2012, later renamed PT2015, PT2018, and so on. There were times when we even forgot they were there, and times when they nagged us to finish them to see where they would take us.
“Listening to the finished pieces, it was clear that this wasn’t like any of our work outside of the band – the combined DNA of the people behind the music meant these tracks were forming what was undeniably, unmistakably, obviously a Porcupine Tree record. You’ll hear all of that DNA flowing right through ‘Harridan.'”
‘CLOSURE/CONTINUATION’ will be available as a seven-track album on standard CD/double vinyl/coloured vinyl or limited cassette. The deluxe LP version comes on audiophile approved crystal clear vinyl as a 3xLP 45rpm boxset with two bonus tracks.
Meanwhile, the deluxe CD and Bluray boxset comes with three bonus tracks, instrumental versions, and high resolution 96/24 stereo, and 5.1 and Dolby Atmos versions of the album all housed in an exclusive art book. Pre-order here.
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That track was fantastic. Waiting 8 months for the 7 track album is going to be painful.
10 tracks
https://music.apple.com/gb/album/1592522261?ign-itscg=30440&ign-itsct=catchall_p5
I think the regular album is 7 tracks with the deluxe edition having 3 bonus tracks. Apple music might have included all 10 of them as part of the release.
Yeah could be. I can definitely see SEVEN on that CD pic there.
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That track was fantastic. Waiting 8 months for the 7 track album is going to be painful.
We've already waited 12 years.... :biggrin:
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I think the regular album is 7 tracks with the deluxe edition having 3 bonus tracks. Apple music might have included all 10 of them as part of the release.
You're right :tup
A limited, and audiophile approved, deluxe CD & Blu-Ray boxset. The three discs come housed in a 12” slipcase box, and features a CD disc with standard tracklisting, a second CD disc of three bonus tracks and instrumentals and a Blu-Ray disc that features high resolution 96/24 stereo, 5.1/ Dolby Atmos versions of the album. The boxset also comes complete with an extensive, and exclusive album artwork booklet.
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Yeah could be. I can definitely see SEVEN on that CD pic there.
So looking at that back cover of the CD the titles appear to be listed as
H.
O/T/N/D.
R/R.
D.
H/C.
W/T/P.
C/W.
H. we know is 'Harridan'
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I'm guessing 6 tracks around 7 minutes and one a lot longer at 10 mins.
Total time 50 minutes or so.
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Excellent song!!! Interesting that it’s less riff driven compared to the previous albums.
Kotow, in the picture that you posted, there’s track lenghts for 5 songs, including the single.
On Spotify says that the song was composed by Wilson/Harrison. :tup
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Yeah could be. I can definitely see SEVEN on that CD pic there.
So looking at that back cover of the CD the titles appear to be listed as
H.
O/T/N/D.
R/R.
D.
H/C.
W/T/P.
C/W.
H. we know is 'Harridan'
Marillion did something very similar with their most recent album campaign. I bet they're going to have some sort of contest to guess the song titles based purely on the abbreviations. New song is cool, reminds me of In Absentia and Hand/Cannot/Erase mixed together.
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New song is absolutely brilliant. Mostly stoked for the Americas tour part of the announcement, seems I'll finally be able to cross PT of the bucket list.
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I'm not sure if I liked the song for what it is or because it's a new song by PT and I'm super hyped. I will come back to it later today or tomorrow and see if I get the same feeling.
Regarding the tour, hopefully my wife gets the transfer to Barcelona she has been looking for and I get to see them during the European leg.
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They should've called this new track "Harrison," because Gavin is an absolute monster on this!! :hefdaddy
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I got into the band just in time for them to stop making albums, so I'm happy to see this. :lol And yeah, that album cover DOES give off some major The Next Day vibes.
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They should've called this new track "Harrison," because Gavin is an absolute monster on this!! :hefdaddy
as he always is (and he is one of my heroes as a drummer, which I'm unapologetic about, as with all of my heroes)
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Also can anyone read the text on the CD?
(https://img.tmstor.es/porcupinetree/88580-33bb9d564a8f5e70f8183bd21f15084d.png)
Somehow missed this picture before.
From what I can make out for the track timings
Harridan. 8:09
O/T/N/D. 4:42?
R/R.
D.
H/C. 7:02
W/T/P. 4:26
C/W. 9:40
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Also - sorry RUSH fans but Gavin > Peart.
Just my £0.02.
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I'm excited for the new material. But it seems like it's the last PT album since it's called "Closure/Continuation" and it's mostly songs that had been floating around for nearly a decade in some cases and the band (or perhaps just Steven) wasn't particular inspired to complete them. Almost gives me the feel that Steven is simply "cleaning out the closet" as he puts a bow on PT's career.
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Why not ? One last album and tour for the fans. Then that's it.
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Somehow missed this picture before.
From what I can make out for the track timings
Harridan. 8:09
O/T/N/D. 4:43
R/R. 5:40
D. 8:22
H/C. 7:02
W/T/P. 4:26
C/W. 9:40
(https://img.tmstor.es/porcupinetree/88583-3163d93e83ac44b385599e67e8cd542d.png)
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I'm excited for the new material. But it seems like it's the last PT album since it's called "Closure/Continuation" and it's mostly songs that had been floating around for nearly a decade in some cases and the band (or perhaps just Steven) wasn't particular inspired to complete them. Almost gives me the feel that Steven is simply "cleaning out the closet" as he puts a bow on PT's career.
I'm hoping that the closure is just a reference for the previously composed songs and the continuation is for the newer and future songs! Anyway I believe, optimistically, that PT will continue, but more like a SW's side project.
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Here are MM’s original comments on the gold record thing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/547wfa/marco_minnemannsteven_wilson_drama/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
Then he had some more comments here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/marco_minnemann_says_he_does_not_get_along_with_steven_wilson_would_gladly_join_band_with_geddy_lee__alex_lifeson.html
What makes Steve Wilson a genius?
"I don't know, you tell me. [Laughs] I don't want to say anything about that, I'm not getting along with Steven Wilson. I didn't know his music before I was in the band, and I don't have to listen to it after. I guess that says enough."
So basically, he admits that he was a hired hand...so what was he so upset about? Good grief.
Hired hand, likely. But it sounds like he was much more involved than simply being "the drummer" according to this:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/marco_minnemann_reveals_what_rushs_alex_lifeson_told_him_about_retirement_answers_if_steven_wilson_is_demanding_to_work_with.html
In the past, you also worked with Steven Wilson, and I got the chance to speak to Dave Kilminster, the guitar player, and Guthrie Govan as well last year. Both of them mentioned an interesting detail about his work - is Steven demanding as a musician and an artist?
"No, no, not at all. Not with me - actually, when we worked it was a great vibe, to be very honest, we actually were the ones starting the songs first - he would send me ideas, and he would pretty much accept everything I did; I had completely free hands. So, that was all cool.
"I know sometimes with guitar players maybe not so much, you know, he gets very picky with those things, but that's I think every artist's right if you play in an artist's band. It's the same with my solo albums - if I have people playing something, then I want them obviously to play the way I want.
"Actually, to be very honest, I let people kind of have the free-hand a lot of the times too. It also comes to the choice of musicians I guess, and how you kind of conduct them.
"But personally speaking, the albums that we did went very quickly. [2013's] 'The Raven That Refused to Sing', and then this album after, [2015's] 'Hand. Cannot. Erase', those were done in four or five days in the studio. It was really quick. That was a good way of working, I have to say."
So it sounds like he was fairly involved in the writing of the songs, altho all songs are credited just to SW. And it appears that they got along well in the studio.
As for the new song, I'm liking it! Much heavier than I was expecting. Will be curious to see how the rest of the album sounds when it eventually comes out. But regarding the artwork, yeah, it could be better. I get having that generic style for SW's last album given the overall theme, but to follow the same style for PT seems odd.
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Wow great song \m/
https://youtu.be/AW5v4Ohxk5k
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Somehow missed this picture before.
From what I can make out for the track timings
Harridan. 8:09
O/T/N/D. 4:43
R/R. 5:40
D. 8:22
H/C. 7:02
W/T/P. 4:26
C/W. 9:40
(https://img.tmstor.es/porcupinetree/88583-3163d93e83ac44b385599e67e8cd542d.png)
Great sleuthing folks! If my mental arithmetic is right, the main album is 48:02 long, which is about right for a SW/PT album. In the latter PT days, he was really on about making albums that were 50-60 minutes long so this doesn't surprise me, and it also doesnt surprise me that there were also bonus tracks.
Woke up about 40 minutes ago and saw the email from Burning Shed about the album and was heartbroken to see the 2CD/1BD artbook had sold out there but luckily the band's main store for the new album still had it available so I promptly ordered! The shipping cost a third of the artbook itself so that was $100.50 put down for an album that won't be out for another 215 days, but I can wait. Wild that we get the first single out so far ahead of the release date but I wonder if SW learned from TFB's release? He definitely wants to tour on this since the TFB Tour didn't happen, so by waiting til June he's got time to see if a PT tour can happen next summer. I suspect tour dates will be announced by Springtime.
As for the song itself, it definitely has PT DNA but I also definitely hear solo SW influences in there as well.i may listen to it a couple times but I don't want to burn myself out on the single so far ahead of the album's release.
-Marc.
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I'm excited for the new material. But it seems like it's the last PT album since it's called "Closure/Continuation" and it's mostly songs that had been floating around for nearly a decade in some cases and the band (or perhaps just Steven) wasn't particular inspired to complete them. Almost gives me the feel that Steven is simply "cleaning out the closet" as he puts a bow on PT's career.
I take the title to mean either or. Either the album will be Closure for the band, or it will be a continuation.
Whatever comes from this is where PTs future will go.
I find it neat that these songs were already there to go, just no time for everyone to actually get together with the band and make these songs, PT.
Could also be Colin was one of the main guys not interested in wanting to make these songs, while the other three were already working on them.
This could be a reason why nothing happened and Steven Wilson really wanted to release these PT songs. Hence Colin having to relinquish his role in PT so no legalities can arise once this album is released. Meaning, he can't claim he is a part of these songs, since they are made from older PT demos that were hanging around.
I'd still go see them live regardless without Colin. As long as they get a groovy bass player it'll work. Nick Beggs is groovy.
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June is so far away :sadpanda: :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
Still, I'm just happy we're getting a new album. Fingers crossed for a USA tour. I never got to see them live.
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Somehow missed this picture before.
From what I can make out for the track timings
Harridan. 8:09
O/T/N/D. 4:43
R/R. 5:40
D. 8:22
H/C. 7:02
W/T/P. 4:26
C/W. 9:40
Awesome find, I didn't even think to look at the tape!
@The Letter M, I ordered it from PT's store directly and yeah the shipping cost is insane.
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Cool groove! :tup
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Somehow missed this picture before.
From what I can make out for the track timings
Harridan. 8:09
O/T/N/D. 4:43
R/R. 5:40
D. 8:22
H/C. 7:02
W/T/P. 4:26
C/W. 9:40
Awesome find, I didn't even think to look at the tape!
@The Letter M, I ordered it from PT's store directly and yeah the shipping cost is insane.
Even if I did catch it on Burning Shed, I don't think their shipping would've been any cheaper TBH. I just didn't want to miss out on ordering the artbook this time around. I really love SW's deluxe editions (I have Anesthetize and Hand. Cannot. Erase., both gorgeous artbooks), and this comeback album was one I wasn't gonna wait on.
-Marc.
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June is so far away :sadpanda: :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
Still, I'm just happy we're getting a new album. Fingers crossed for a USA tour. I never got to see them live.
They said Americas and Canadian tour dates to be announced early next year on their FB page. We're getting it.
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June is so far away :sadpanda: :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
Still, I'm just happy we're getting a new album. Fingers crossed for a USA tour. I never got to see them live.
They said Americas and Canadian tour dates to be announced early next year on their FB page. We're getting it.
:metal If they skip Massachusetts I might have to take a drive for that one. :lol
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I'm guessing 6 tracks around 7 minutes and one a lot longer at 10 mins.
Total time 50 minutes or so.
Harridan. 8:09
O/T/N/D. 4:43
R/R. 5:40
D. 8:22
H/C. 7:02
W/T/P. 4:26
C/W. 9:40
Not far off :)
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It’s interesting that the bass is so prominent on the track, but there’s no indication so far as to who plays on it.
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If I didn't know any better, I would swear that was Geddy Lee playing the bass on that song. The style and the tone are very similar to what he was doing in the 21st century. The groove of it reminded me a bit of the title track from My Favorite Headache.
Anyway, great to get the official word!!
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Cool sounding track. :tup
Looks like another artsy fartsy album cover. The tree is cool but that big white box with the band and album abbreviations is way over the top generic. :lol
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If I didn't know any better, I would swear that was Geddy Lee playing the bass on that song. The style and the tone are very similar to what he was doing in the 21st century. The groove of it reminded me a bit of the title track from My Favorite Headache.
Anyway, great to get the official word!!
You know, I could totally see Geddy doing a spot like that, even if it were just for one track. That would be fun.
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it could easily be the name of the song the clip is from, or the album title perhaps.
go figure.
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Sir Nicholas Beggs just tweeted thus:
As Steven Wilson is in possession of photographs of myself the vicar and a donkey I do not feel at liberty to comment on my involvement with P3. But thanx for your interest.
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Sir Nicholas Beggs just tweeted thus:
As Steven Wilson is in possession of photographs of myself the vicar and a donkey I do not feel at liberty to comment on my involvement with P3. But thanx for your interest.
How do you tell people you played bass on the new PT record without telling people you played bass on the new PT record. :biggrin:
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I am not sure what it is, but don't really like how the vocals are mixed/produced. But overall a solid track, looking forward to the whole album.
And that album cover is super ugly.
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And that album cover is super ugly.
×2 :facepalm:
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I guess it's just the style SW has now - new PT feels very similar to The Future Bites in terms of artwork style and the track titles/using abbreviations etc, but I still feel it's a shame how SW/PT covers from 10-15-20 years ago look a lot better than the new stuff. I could see someone want to frame Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia or Grace For Drowning to put on a wall for example but I doubt anyone would do that with this.
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Oh Fear of a Blank Planet is back on Spotify! This is def my favorite PT album and well, Steven Wilson involvement!
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I guess it's just the style SW has now - new PT feels very similar to The Future Bites in terms of artwork style and the track titles/using abbreviations etc, but I still feel it's a shame how SW/PT covers from 10-15-20 years ago look a lot better than the new stuff. I could see someone want to frame Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia or Grace For Drowning to put on a wall for example but I doubt anyone would do that with this.
Yeah, Deadwing and FOABP are pretty dull covers too. Lightbulb Sun is cool, and Up the Downstair is cool with the burning piano falling out of the sky.
SW is just kind of a strange dude... lol
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Wow, love the new song!
Seems really weird to drop a single on November 1st for an album not coming out until the following June. WTF is up with that? Oh right, it's Steven Wilson.
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Wow, love the new song!
Seems really weird to drop a single on November 1st for an album not coming out until the following June. WTF is up with that? Oh right, it's Steven Wilson.
They seem to be tying album pre-orders and tour ticket pre-sales together (pretty genius, honestly) so that's probably why they're announcing it this early.
As for why the album's not getting released sooner, I imagine they're not taking any chances with how many albums have been delayed recently due to production backups.
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Love the new song. I really hope they do tour the US. I'm guessing it's Beggs on the bass, based on what he said (or didn't say).
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Wow, love the new song!
Seems really weird to drop a single on November 1st for an album not coming out until the following June. WTF is up with that? Oh right, it's Steven Wilson.
They seem to be tying album pre-orders and tour ticket pre-sales together (pretty genius, honestly) so that's probably why they're announcing it this early.
As for why the album's not getting released sooner, I imagine they're not taking any chances with how many albums have been delayed recently due to production backups.
Yeah, everyone is having supply issues with album production. Vinyl reportedly had a six month turnaround time to produce a little while back, and it could be getting worse. I imagine once the album was completed and sent off for manufacturing, they didn’t want to risk something leaking before they could make their own announcement, and they might as well release a song to go with it to build anticipation.
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I'm not a big fan of the chorus, but the rest of the song is fire :metal
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I'm not a big fan of the chorus, but the rest of the song is fire :metal
Basically my thoughts as well. Barbieri also isn't too noticeable here but he's always stood out more on the quieter songs.
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Nick Beggs update on Twitter ;)
https://twitter.com/NickBeggs/status/1455206238904541185?s=20
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Nick Beggs update on Twitter ;)
https://twitter.com/NickBeggs/status/1455206238904541185?s=20
Sir Nicholas Beggs just tweeted thus:
As Steven Wilson is in possession of photographs of myself the vicar and a donkey I do not feel at liberty to comment on my involvement with P3. But thanx for your interest.
I thought it was a newer tweet than the one that was shared here three hours ago. :-\
But yeah, I'm more or less convinced he's on the album, and if not, he'll definitely be on the tour.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind hearing a couple of different bassists on the album as a sort of rotating guest-spot, and maybe have Steven play bass on a couple of songs. Granted, there are only seven songs, so maybe he just got one bassist to do the whole album, especially since it's less than 50 minutes long anyway.
-Marc.
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Laser CD has the Artbook for $73 plus $3.95 shipping. Just ordered from them.
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Laser CD has the Artbook for $73 plus $3.95 shipping. Just ordered from them.
Oh damn, that's much cheaper shipping! I hope I can cancel my order with Townsend Music then.
EDIT - Just canceled my order with Townsend Music and placed an order with Laser CD. Thanks for the heads up! That saved me like $21! And given the track record Laser CD has shown me over the last year (with the TA box set, LTE 3 Artbook, and most recently the DT AVFTTOTW box set), I totally trust them and their shipping speed as I've gotten all my releases before or on release day.
-Marc.
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Laser CD has the Artbook for $73 plus $3.95 shipping. Just ordered from them.
I have no idea why I didn't think of doing that. Thanks for the heads up! I will try and cancel my other order.
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Laser CD has the Artbook for $73 plus $3.95 shipping. Just ordered from them.
I have no idea why I didn't think of doing that. Thanks for the heads up! I will try and cancel my other order.
I ordered from Laser CD as well. Can't wait to hear the whole record!
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The song excites me!
It was also educational as I didn’t know what “harridan” meant, so I had to look it up. :D
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Just saw this on another forum:
"The album is done and mastered, but the seven month delay is down to "worldwide manufacturing problems.
Wilson is the bassist on the album.
This has been confirmed by Prog magazine editor Jerry Ewing on the magazine FB group. Jerry has heard the album, and described it as excellent.
And the reason he got a sneak peak, is because he's writing an official biography - not sure if it's PT or SW related, as he didn't say.
But I know and respect Jerry's judgement on albums and if he's openly praising it, then I'd imagine a lot of fans will enjoy it."
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With the inevitable press tour begins, it will be interesting to see how Wilson answers the Colin Edwin questions that are bound to get asked. He is usually pretty direct, but I have a feeling he will be a little less direct about this. He probably learned from the EVH thing to not always be so direct, so I foresee some side-stepping coming soon to an interview near you. ;)
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Just saw this on another forum:
"The album is done and mastered, but the seven month delay is down to "worldwide manufacturing problems.
Wilson is the bassist on the album.
This has been confirmed by Prog magazine editor Jerry Ewing on the magazine FB group. Jerry has heard the album, and described it as excellent.
And the reason he got a sneak peak, is because he's writing an official biography - not sure if it's PT or SW related, as he didn't say.
But I know and respect Jerry's judgement on albums and if he's openly praising it, then I'd imagine a lot of fans will enjoy it."
From what I remember, the songs that he played bass in HCE, he did really well. Someone already said here, but I thought his style a bit in the vein of Chris Squire/Geddy Lee. And the bass in the new song is really good.
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What is there to answer? Edwin's not in the band anymore, let's move on.
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https://porcupinetree.com/?fbclid=IwAR1pm0jk5I4Jv52SlJInWvxPqaMtfErVZgcNcEZ21HKTwi6twjkPtECsiFs
Towards the bottom of this site, you can find this:
Closure / Continuation
Produced and performed by
Porcupine Tree
Richard Barbieri
Steven Wilson
Gavin Harrison
( completed Sept. 2021 )
So my guess is Steven played bass on the studio album.
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Love the buildup and vibe at 4:20 and onwards with the guitar vocals and drums and percussion in the background.
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Wasn't there a conflict between Barbieri and Edwin though? I wanna say Barbieri was known for hating jazz and more improvisational stuff and that was a direction Edwin apparently felt interested in exploring. Could be one of those situations where band members dig their heads down and work together but after a decade of not working together it's a bit of a "I don't wanna jump back into that". I think also as much as I love Colin Edwin's bass playing with PT, if you are SW and you are faced with bringing either of the 2 back, you go with Richard.
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Wasn't there a conflict between Barbieri and Edwin though? I wanna say Barbieri was known for hating jazz and more improvisational stuff and that was a direction Edwin apparently felt interested in exploring. Could be one of those situations where band members dig their heads down and work together but after a decade of not working together it's a bit of a "I don't wanna jump back into that". I think also as much as I love Colin Edwin's bass playing with PT, if you are SW and you are faced with bringing either of the 2 back, you go with Richard.
I had the same thought and I feel bad for even thinking it. Colin's bass playing is groovy, relaxed and awesome. But Barbieri's soundscapes are more important for the band's sound I think.
Also, I read somewhere that Colin is/was a Brexit supporter. I wonder if this had anything to do with it. But I didn't read that in any official source, so take this info with a grain of salt! Don't wanna spread untrue things.
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Wasn't there a conflict between Barbieri and Edwin though? I wanna say Barbieri was known for hating jazz and more improvisational stuff and that was a direction Edwin apparently felt interested in exploring.
I thought that was between Barbieri and Wilson.
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I wanna say Barbieri was known for hating jazz and more improvisational stuff and that was a direction Edwin apparently felt interested in exploring.
That sounded so specific I had to google it and yes he admits himself having a reputation for hating jazz. :lol
“I’ve always worked with jazz musicians, funnily enough, I have this reputation for hating jazz. There are lots of jazz things I really don’t like, and I started being more experimental with my musical voices. Not worrying so much about the structure, and particular tunings, just going with what kind of felt right. It seemed to work well working with these jazz musicians as I can use them in the context that I want, and I thought it just takes the music to somewhere else.”
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What is there to answer? Edwin's not in the band anymore, let's move on.
Your normal antagonistic style of posting aside, why is he not in the band anymore? Many will want to know, so it only makes sense to ask the current band members that question, and it would be negligent of interviewers to not ask that question. A longtime band member leaving a band and/or not being a part of a reunion, like it or not, is a story.
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What is there to answer? Edwin's not in the band anymore, let's move on.
Your normal antagonistic style of posting aside, why is he not in the band anymore? Many will want to know, so it only makes sense to ask the current band members that question, and it would be negligent of interviewers to not ask that question. A longtime band member leaving a band and/or not being a part of a reunion, like it or not, is a story.
"We're onto Seattle" ;D
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What is there to answer? Edwin's not in the band anymore, let's move on.
Your normal antagonistic style of posting aside, why is he not in the band anymore? Many will want to know, so it only makes sense to ask the current band members that question, and it would be negligent of interviewers to not ask that question. A longtime band member leaving a band and/or not being a part of a reunion, like it or not, is a story.
"We're onto Seattle" ;D
Haha, exactly, except that SW often reveals much more than BB (Belichick is blunt and often says very little, while SW is often blunt and sometimes says too much).
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I have not listened to the new song (never listen to singles, but these next 8 months will be difficult for me).
But what I find very interesting about Harridan are the writing/composing credits: Wilson/Harrison. Gavin seems to aim for more involvement into the compositions than he used to, as most of PT's earlier music was composed by Wilson alone (except for 1-2 tracks per album). I wonder if Gavin was involved in the composition of the other tracks as well. I say this, because almost all songs from the last two Pineapple Thief albums have the credits Soord/Harrison, while the songs from their albums before were written by Soord alone. Meaning, The Pineapple Thief have had Steve Kitch and Jon Sykes as full band members for almost two decades now, and none of them contributed to the compositions (but most likely to the arranging of the songs, which is a contribution that can't be overstated). Then Gavin comes in, is a guest musician on one album and then bam, shares writing credits with Soord on every following song (except for two short ones).
I hope he co-composed the other ones too and I'm very excited to hear what these shared credits contribute to the songs. I read his drumming is very present on this first single already.
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While it may not have been common, haven't there been Wilson/Harrison compositions pretty much as soon as he joined? Futile comes to mind.
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Yeah questions about Colin will definitely happen, that's just the nature of the beast. When you bring back the band after over a decade of not existing and one of the core guys is inexplicably missing, people are curious and will want to know why. But it could also be an easy answer like scheduling conflicts or something similar. With things like this, the silence is usually what leads to people speculating and you get wild theories about internal struggles when in reality, at least half the time a lot of people move on in life.
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While it may not have been common, haven't there been Wilson/Harrison compositions pretty much as soon as he joined? Futile comes to mind.
Yes a few. Cheating The Polygraph, Start Of Something Beautiful. But 90% is still by SW alone. But what I mean is, I wonder if Gavin is now a frequent co-composer on this album, like he seems to be in The Pineapple Thief.
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Speaking of Gavin and SW collaborating, for some reason youtube decided to recommend me this wonderful video "Steven Wilson loathes Gavin Harrison's drums": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtwGGNVK5Uw&ab_channel=TylerRoland
The look on Steven's face is just cracking me up :lol :lol
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Speaking of Gavin and SW collaborating, for some reason youtube decided to recommend me this wonderful video "Steven Wilson loathes Gavin Harrison's drums": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtwGGNVK5Uw&ab_channel=TylerRoland
The look on Steven's face is just cracking me up :lol :lol
LOL!
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Speaking of Gavin and SW collaborating, for some reason youtube decided to recommend me this wonderful video "Steven Wilson loathes Gavin Harrison's drums": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtwGGNVK5Uw&ab_channel=TylerRoland
The look on Steven's face is just cracking me up :lol :lol
YouTube recommended that to me the other day and I was :rollin
-Marc.
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New song is fine. Probably will need to listen to it a few more times.
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Speaking of Gavin and SW collaborating, for some reason youtube decided to recommend me this wonderful video "Steven Wilson loathes Gavin Harrison's drums": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtwGGNVK5Uw&ab_channel=TylerRoland
The look on Steven's face is just cracking me up :lol :lol
YouTube recommended that to me the other day and I was :rollin
-Marc.
WTF, I just watched it and then came here because I thought "I wonder that DTF thinks about the new single".
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John Wesley just posted on Facebook about 20 minutes ago:
ivemovedon
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=420301082991513&id=100050348745876
69 likes, 68 sad reacts, 29 laugh reacts, 14 hearts, 14 care, and 12 shocked.
I guess he's not invited to tour with PT next year.
-Marc.
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That is funny though.
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Where is the happy dance emoticon? :P :P
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Where is the happy dance emoticon? :P :P
Here -> :woot:
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Where is the happy dance emoticon? :P :P
:lol
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Where is the happy dance emoticon? :P :P
This one? :footloose:
or this one? :gadough:
Or perhaps you meant this one? :vanillaice:
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I will take any of them for $500, Alex. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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I just bought 4 tickets for Berlin :metal
Seriously hyped for this concert. I will be there around 2-3pm standing in front of the venue in any wind and weather to be in the first row.
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Hoping they'll add new tour dates but in case they don't I'll probably go and see them in Wien. Never been there and would like to visit and no way I'll miss PT tour ;D
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Yeah questions about Colin will definitely happen, that's just the nature of the beast. When you bring back the band after over a decade of not existing and one of the core guys is inexplicably missing, people are curious and will want to know why.
I heard he's starting a band with Diego from Haken
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Hoping they'll add new tour dates but in case they don't I'll probably go and see them in Wien. Never been there and would like to visit and no way I'll miss PT tour ;D
I'll probably go to Vienna as well since I live right outside Vienna (but my friend can only make the Berlin date). And I can't see myself sitting home alone while I could see the Tree for 60 bucks not far from my doorstep. I've SW solo from the first row at the same venue during the To The Bone tour and it was great.
Also, Wien is a beautiful city and worth visiting ;) Where are you visiting from?
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Also, Wien is a beautiful city and worth visiting ;) Where are you visiting from?
Croatia. It's not that far but somehow I never visited Austria. Me and my gf made plans about it before but covid :angry:
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Really liking the new single. The entire middle stretch between the last two choruses is fantastic.
This is gonna be a painful wait. :'(
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Bought tickets to Stockholm.
Will be interesting to see if they fill the Globe. It's a big arena, 16.000 capacity.
I thik they have cordoned it of a bit but still. Has to be 8 to 10 thousand tickets.
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Tickets are in for the Amsterdam date. Can't wait. Colin Edwin and John Wesley not being there feels bittersweet, but I'm very happy nonetheless that the band is back. Also, I'm very happy that my brother will get to see them with me, as he got into PT around the time they went on hiatus. Here's hoping that they'll find some suitable musicians for the live job. If it's Nick Beggs on bass, I thought his background vocals with SW live were pretty good as far as I can remember.
Not really connecting with Harridan yet, but it sure is a badass track full of cool rhythms, atmospherics and heavy riffage. Not bad at all. Might grow on me eventually.
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Really liking the new single. The entire middle stretch between the last two choruses is fantastic.
Same. I like it quite a bit more than the last 2 SW albums, and most of The Incident tbh. Quite hyped for this :metal
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Leaked track names for Closure/Continuation
DISC1
Harridan
Of the New Day
Rats Return
Dignity
Herd Culling
Walk the Plank
Chimera's Wreck
DISC 2 – Bonus Tracks 1.Population Three 2.Never Have 3.Love in the Past Tense
instrumentals of the 7 album tracks
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Yeah questions about Colin will definitely happen, that's just the nature of the beast. When you bring back the band after over a decade of not existing and one of the core guys is inexplicably missing, people are curious and will want to know why.
I heard he's starting a band with Diego from Haken
......and John Wesley.
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Leaked track names for Closure/Continuation
DISC1
Harridan
Of the New Day
Rats Return
Dignity
Herd Culling
Walk the Plank
Chimera's Wreck
DISC 2 – Bonus Tracks 1.Population Three 2.Never Have 3.Love in the Past Tense
instrumentals of the 7 album tracks
Very cool! ..if true.
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Yeah questions about Colin will definitely happen, that's just the nature of the beast. When you bring back the band after over a decade of not existing and one of the core guys is inexplicably missing, people are curious and will want to know why.
I heard he's starting a band with Diego from Haken
......and John Wesley.
If they need a drummer, I know just the guy.
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Yeah questions about Colin will definitely happen, that's just the nature of the beast. When you bring back the band after over a decade of not existing and one of the core guys is inexplicably missing, people are curious and will want to know why.
I heard he's starting a band with Diego from Haken
......and John Wesley.
If they need a drummer, I know just the guy.
For this lineup, MP would totally clear his schedule for the next nine days in a heartbeat!
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Walk the Plank
Ahoy matey let's walk the plank yarrrr! :yarr
Will this be like a pirate song or something?
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Walk the Plank
Ahoy matey let's walk the plank yarrrr! :yarr
Will this be like a pirate song or something?
It's obviously a concept album about a pirate called Harridan and his life and death on the ship Chimaera
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Gonna predict that " Of The New Day " will be the secondest song on the whole album.
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New Colin Edwin song
https://colinedwin.blogspot.com/2021/11/hebdomadal.html
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Yeah questions about Colin will definitely happen, that's just the nature of the beast. When you bring back the band after over a decade of not existing and one of the core guys is inexplicably missing, people are curious and will want to know why.
I heard he's starting a band with Diego from Haken
......and John Wesley.
If they need a drummer, I know just the guy.
For this lineup, MP would totally clear his schedule for the next nine days in a heartbeat!
Well, to keep the theme going, Marco seems to be the choice due to his apparent fallout with SW.
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New Colin Edwin song
https://colinedwin.blogspot.com/2021/11/hebdomadal.html
I respect Colin's decision and all, but he's not reuniting with Porcupine Tree to do this?
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New Colin Edwin song
https://colinedwin.blogspot.com/2021/11/hebdomadal.html
I respect Colin's decision and all, but he's not reuniting with Porcupine Tree to do this?
If makes him happier than playing with Wilson then so be it. It's more than the music obviously.
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New Colin Edwin song
https://colinedwin.blogspot.com/2021/11/hebdomadal.html
I respect Colin's decision and all, but he's not reuniting with Porcupine Tree to do this?
If makes him happier than playing with Wilson then so be it. It's more than the music obviously.
It actually sounds like something SW would like..
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I think it's amusing that when PorcTree went on hiatus - Gavin went and joined a band that sounded near enough the same and had the same initials.
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I think it's amusing that when PorcTree went on hiatus - Gavin went and joined a band that sounded near enough the same and had the same initials.
Didn't you already mention this once or twice before? :P
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Stalker ! :getoffmylawn:
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New Colin Edwin song
https://colinedwin.blogspot.com/2021/11/hebdomadal.html
I respect Colin's decision and all, but he's not reuniting with Porcupine Tree to do this?
Listening now, it's interesting.
I recently watched the making of In Absentia video and the impression I get (and have had for a while now) is that while SW is a talented guy he is insufferable to be around, maybe that was another drop in the bucket of reasons why Colin didn't want to go back.
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New Colin Edwin song
https://colinedwin.blogspot.com/2021/11/hebdomadal.html
I respect Colin's decision and all, but he's not reuniting with Porcupine Tree to do this?
Listening now, it's interesting.
I recently watched the making of In Absentia video and the impression I get (and have had for a while now) is that while SW is a talented guy he is insufferable to be around, maybe that was another drop in the bucket of reasons why Colin didn't want to go back.
He's always struck me as the type of artist who buys into the view a lot of fans have of him as 'creative genius'. And that's fine, there's many artists out there who think very highly of themselves and their music, and you could even say in some cases that it's a big reason they are where they are. But on the flip side I can also see those people being very frustrating to be around. I still remember when PT died, SW spent a lot of time in interviews talking about refreshing it was to be on his own, released from his shackles and that with the solo stuff he was doing things he could never have achieved in PT. If I'm Colin and I shared a band with the man for 20 years and I heard that, I would probably be a bit "Well, screw you then". :lol
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I think it's amusing that when PorcTree went on hiatus - Gavin went and joined a band that sounded near enough the same and had the same initials.
Didn't you already mention this once or twice before? :P
Ah yes, Phe Tineapplethief.
-Marc.
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I think it's amusing that when PorcTree went on hiatus - Gavin went and joined a band that sounded near enough the same and had the same initials.
Didn't you already mention this once or twice before? :P
Ah yes, Phe Tineapplethief.
-Marc.
Or Ping Trimson maybe?
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The more I listen to Herridan, the more I like it. That riff is great :2metal:
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After listening to Heartattack in a Layby recently, I have concluded that it belongs on the list of my favorite songs of all time. I've always enjoyed and appreciated the song, but it's on a whole new level for me now.
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After listening to Heartattack in a Layby recently, I have concluded that it belongs on the list of my favorite songs of all time. I've always enjoyed and appreciated the song, but it's on a whole new level for me now.
Totally agreed. When I first heard IA as an album, I didn't think much of the song. But as I looked deeper into it, and realized what was happening in that song, and the way it's framed, and the creepy way it makes you feel like *you're* the one going through it... It just hit me like a lead brick. That might be my #1 all time PT song.
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I actually liked that song in my roulette.
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Yeah, it's incredible. As loaded as In Absentia is with great songs, many that rock, the two soul crushers, Collapse the Light into Earth and Heartattack in a Layby, are probably my favorites.
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Yeah, it's incredible. As loaded as In Absentia is with great songs, many that rock, the two soul crushers, Collapse the Light into Earth and Heartattack in a Layby, are probably my favorites.
.3 is another track that’s mostly atmospheric that I like a lot.
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Yeah, it's incredible. As loaded as In Absentia is with great songs, many that rock, the two soul crushers, Collapse the Light into Earth and Heartattack in a Layby, are probably my favorites.
.3 is another track that’s mostly atmospheric that I like a lot.
Agreed. Gravity Eyelids is another cool song (atmospheric in the first half then the crunchy guitar and rockin 2nd half). Great great album overall!!
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Yeah In Absentia has some amazing tracks, the production of that album is hands down one of the best in the entire category of albums I have heard.
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I also find that my favorite tracks on In Absentia are the quiet, atmospheric ones; Lips of Ashes, .3, Heartattack in a Layby, and Collapse the Light into Earth (although Gravity Eyelids is my least favorite on the album). Collapse the Light into Earth is in my Top 10 Porcupine Tree songs, and .3 and Lips of Ashes are pretty close.
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Count me in on loving Collapse The Light Into Earth as well.
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Count me in on loving Collapse The Light Into Earth as well.
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Gavin said the new PT album is the best thing they ever did.
https://youtu.be/pZZgR6mkCyI?t=3908
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Count me in on loving Collapse The Light Into Earth as well.
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Gavin said the new PT album is the best thing they ever did.
https://youtu.be/pZZgR6mkCyI?t=3908
A musician says their new album is the best thing they ever did?? Alert the presses!!!
:P :P
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Even before hearing the album you know a statement like that is way overblown.
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I know I'm definitely the minority in this but I think Heartattack is one of the weakest tracks on IA. Chloroform is my favorite song from IA, it's a shame it didn't make the album proper
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Gavin said the new PT album is the best thing they ever did.
https://youtu.be/pZZgR6mkCyI?t=3908
A musician says their new album is the best thing they ever did?? Alert the presses!!!
:P :P
Mike Portnoy is the master of this...
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Still, Gavin is not like Mike Portnoy, he's way more subtle in the way he talks and advertises things. You might say, he's more British ;) So while C/C might not be the best ever, at least Gavin seems to think it's pretty damn great. He even addresses the issue that every musician says that about every new album they put out. He then says "bullshit aside" and reinforced his statement. So that excites me :)
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Still, Gavin is not like Mike Portnoy, he's way more subtle in the way he talks and advertises things. You might say, he's more British ;) So while C/C might not be the best ever, at least Gavin seems to think it's pretty damn great. He even addresses the issue that every musician says that about every new album they put out. He then says "bullshit aside" and reinforced his statement. So that excites me :)
I hear you, and I certainly hope it's an awesome release! I just couldn't resist the MP comment though LOL
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In all fairness to Portnoy, while he is big on self-promotion, does he really call all of his new releases "the best thing he's ever done" or a sentiment along those lines? The only album in recent memory I can recall him saying something close to that was NMB's The Similitude of a Dream, and I think he was dead accurate on that, as I think that record IS one of the best 2-3 records he's ever been a part of.
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Count me in on loving Collapse The Light Into Earth as well.
Indeed! I kept seeing all the praise for Heartattack in a Layby, which in all fairness is a great song, but Collapse the Light Into Earth is superior, in my opinion. One of the best album closers of all time. :hefdaddy
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IA is probably one of the albums I've come around my thoughts on the most. First listen completely floored me. It was my introduction to PT and that combo of Blackest Eyes and Trains had me hooked and pulled me into the world of PT and SW (as I'm sure it did with many others). Over time though the album hasn't necessarily faded that much (still a bit) but other albums have grown on me and very rarely do I feel like spinning IA. Trains is still one of the best PT songs and there's a lot of good individual tunes here but there's also some songs I don't consider to be particularly strong. It only gets a bit jarring because I do agree with the sentiment that Drown With Me and Chloroform are better than 80% of the album and they weren't on it. Kinda crazy to think about.
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I find Chloroform pretty boring tbh. I’d take Drown With Me, Futile and even Orchidia over it.
Still probably better than Wedding Nails tho
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I find Chloroform pretty boring tbh. I’d take Drown With Me, Futile and even Orchidia over it.
This
Still probably better than Wedding Nails tho
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Let's settle this DTF-style
Trains
Collapse The Light Into Earth
Blackest Eyes
Heartattack In A Layby
Strip The Soul
Futile
.3
Prodigal
The Sound Of Muzak
Drown With Me
Orchidia
The Creator Has A Mastertape
Chloroform
Lips Of Ashes
Gravity Eyelids
Wedding Nails
Collapse
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Prodigal is another one I like a lot. In retrospect, I wish I had sent it instead of The Sound of Muzak in TAC’s roulette.
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Prodigal is another one I like a lot. In retrospect, I wish I had sent it instead of The Sound of Muzak in TAC’s roulette.
I've always really liked Prodigal as well - great song!
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I haven't listened to the other In Absentia songs that didn't make it onto the album, but here's my ranking of the main album:
1. Heartattack in a Layby
2. Collapse the Light into Earth
3. Lips of Ashes
4. .3
5. Blackest Eyes
6. Prodigal
7. The Sound of Muzak
8. Trains
9. The Creator Has A Mastertape
10. Wedding Nails
11. Strip the Soul
12. Gravity Eyelids
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There was a time I used to really like it but I might just go as far to say Wedding Nails isn't just meh, it's fairly bad. Mostly because of it's length. There's no reason that song needs to be 6 ½ minutes because it has maybe 3 minutes worth of ideas and the main riffs aren't even that great IMO.
Drown With Me really should have been on there somewhere as I'd take it over any song that's not called Trains. I do think Chloroform is great as well but IA already suffers from being overly long as it is and adding Chloroform is another 8 minutes you need to shave off from somewhere else.
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Porcupine Tree's twitter account has been posting bits and pieces of art by the looks of it and they are releasing another single on the 8th of March for 'Of The New Day'.
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Controversial opinion time: IA is their worst album in Stupid Dream - Fear run.
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Controversial opinion time: IA is their worst album in Stupid Dream - Fear run.
I would agree. It's not bad, in fact it's a good starting point (Blackest Eyes+Trains) but in my opinion it's one of those albums that is great on the first few listens but never really rises above that. The other albums IMO offer more depth and after 10-15 listens you might pick up on something new. I also think IA suffers a bit from feeling more like a collection of songs rather than an album experience and that becomes more clear when you put it up next to Deadwing or Fear of a Blank Planet for example.
So yeah I don't think IA is a bad album by any means but it would be fairly low down on my PT rankings. Not worse than OTSOL or The Incident but maybe third from the bottom for me.
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I also think IA suffers a bit from feeling more like a collection of songs rather than an album experience
This.
It has some of my favorites but also a few I don't care about whereas other albums in that run are either full album experience or have all great songs.
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Controversial opinion time: IA is their worst album in Stupid Dream - Fear run.
I don't think I'd agree with this (I don't really like Deadwing at all), but I would say that in my opinion Lightbulb Sun is the strongest album in this run.
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Controversial opinion time: IA is their worst album in Stupid Dream - Fear run.
For me it's Deadwing as well for the same reasons Zantera listed, then again I don't hate any of those albums. It's more of an 8/10 whereas the rest are a 9/10 and above.
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Yeah, definitely. It was more of a "this run is so strong that this otherwise great album is my least favorite" than "this album sucks" post.
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All the Gavin era albums only for me (including those early ones he added his drum parts in afterwards), I never listen to the others.
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All the Gavin era albums only for me (including those early ones he added his drum parts in afterwards), I never listen to the others.
You're missing out on some great stuff on the other albums Max! Why the refusal to listen to the non-Gavin albums?
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All the Gavin era albums only for me (including those early ones he added his drum parts in afterwards), I never listen to the others.
You're missing out on some great stuff on the other albums Max! Why the refusal to listen to the non-Gavin albums?
eh well, not really missing out strictly speaking, since I always loved all the songwriting on all the albums. Gavin era Tree is just so consistent in all aspects, and he is one of my heroes as a drummer too, always found him easier to listen to. Should have rephrased: Ever since he joined, I stopped listening to the ones before he joined. And of course, I suspect Closure/Continuation to be another really great one, in line with all of them starting from In Absentia.
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IA definitely does suffer from "feeling more like a collection of songs than an album" but the highs of that record are so high that it doesn't really matter. I'd rate it and Deadwing about the same because Deadwing is much more consistent and cohesive, but doesn't really have any "this is amazing" moments like IA does.
FOABP is both an even better album experience than Deadwing and has better songs, and that's why it's their best album.
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Why does IA feel like a collection of songs? Isn’t it all more or less thematically about the psyche of a serial killer?
Also, I know Deadwing and Blank Planet are thematic/conceptual, but I never took Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun to be anything more than a collection of songs.
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Why does IA feel like a collection of songs? Isn’t it all more or less thematically about the psyche of a serial killer?
Only some of them (The Sound Of Muzak, anyone?), and it's less about the lyrical themes and more that the album jumps around stylistically a lot, and while the flow isn't bad it doesn't really feel like it has a solid direction for most of it. Blackest Eyes and Collapse The Light... are amazing openers and closers respectively, but the order of the rest of the album could be jumbled around a bunch of different ways without affecting things too much imo.
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Why does IA feel like a collection of songs? Isn’t it all more or less thematically about the psyche of a serial killer?
Only some of them (The Sound Of Muzak, anyone?), and it's less about the lyrical themes and more that the album jumps around stylistically a lot, and while the flow isn't bad it doesn't really feel like it has a solid direction for most of it. Blackest Eyes and Collapse The Light... are amazing openers and closers respectively, but the order of the rest of the album could be jumbled around a bunch of different ways without affecting things too much imo.
Maybe the Muzak made him go crazy! I get what you’re saying though. It’s not all connected lyrically and doesn’t necessarily flow together musically.
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I think excluding The Sound of Muzak and Heartattack in a Layby, you could probably connect every song on In Absentia to the serial killer theme. Here's the way I see it:
Blackest Eyes sets up who this person is; Trains is a flashback of the person's life back when he was innocent; then Lips of Ashes and Gravity Eyelids show him becoming evil. The name Wedding Nails could suggest that he's gotten married. Prodigal shows that there's an inner conflict in him, showing he still has humanity left in him, but .3 is the transition to him becoming a full-fledged serial killer. From there, The Creator Has A Mastertape and Strip the Soul shows the killer at his worst, and Collapse the Light Into Earth could be viewed as the killer having some hint of humanity and remorse for what he's done.
And regarding The Sound of Muzak, while I think it's pretty much irrelevant to the concept, I have seen some people theorize it's related to the serial killer concept based on the line "now the sound of music comes in silver pills".
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Controversial opinion time: IA is their worst album in Stupid Dream - Fear run.
Definitely disagree here.
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Controversial opinion time: IA is their worst album in Stupid Dream - Fear run.
I also think IA suffers a bit from feeling more like a collection of songs rather than an album experience
I can kind of see where you're going here - but I would counter it's a collection of mostly killer songs that makes it a great album IMO
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if you want my controversial opinion, FOABP is a weaker album than any of the three before it
i can't really think of a standout song on FOABP. every song is pretty good but no song is as good as Last Chance to Evacuate, Russia on Ice, Trains, Gravity Eyelids, Heartattack in a Layby, Collapse the Light Into Earth, Arriving Somewhere, Mellotron Scratch, The Start of Something Beautiful etc. there's probably more
lightbulb sun and in absentia have pretty weak flow and a few duds but just hit the mark way more often, i'd rather listen to a mixed bag than a perfectly solid front-to-back album with no real standouts
and then deadwing has good flow and no real duds (shallow, halo, open car are like. weaker tracks but still pretty good idk) so it's far and away superior imo
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I agree. I always thought that fear was pretty weak album, I almost never listen to it. I listen to Nil Recurring far more.
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if you want my controversial opinion, FOABP is a weaker album than any of the three before it
i can't really think of a standout song on FOABP.
This just got personal :lol
No wrong opinions, it's just one of my all time favorite albums with every song, beside Let's sleep together, being some of my all time favorites.
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The 8-album run of The Sky Moves Sideways through The Incident is just tremendous. One killer album after another, and I find it hard to rank them quite honestly. Lightbulb Sun and Deadwing usually sit as my 1a and 1b, but the order of the rest will usually vary depending on my mood. Just an amazing run of albums.
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Fear Of A Blank Planet is my favorite PT album. It's also a masterclass in progressive rock drumming. Combined with the accompanying Nil Recurring EP, it makes the ultimate PT album for me.
But I also came to LOVE Deadwing, with its consequent atmosphere and weirdly straight but incredibly played drum grooves. By now it's my second favorite PT album with only a small gap to Fear.
When it came out, I didn't really like The Incident (I remember taking my bicycle to the shopping mall at my home town to get it when it came out, back then I was 16), but like 10 years later I learned to appreciate it more and now I would even put it up against In Absentia.
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If we're only making it an 8 album run I'd argue Up the Downstair is stronger than The Incident and the run should start there. :P
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I'd put In Absentia through FoaBP in their own tier, with Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream a tier below that, and The Incident another level down.
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Up the Downstair is really good, but I don't quite rate it as high as the next eight studio albums. I get that The Incident is a divisive album, but I binged it like crazy for a solid year after its release, and feel that it has held up pretty well, a few minor moments from the song cycle aside.
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I'd put In Absentia through FoaBP in their own tier, with Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream a tier below that, and The Incident another level down.
I agree with this.
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Up the Downstair is really good, but I don't quite rate it as high as the next eight studio albums. I get that The Incident is a divisive album, but I binged it like crazy for a solid year after its release, and feel that it has held up pretty well, a few minor moments from the song cycle aside.
I think The Incident is very good as well. Some killer songs on there. They probably could of trimmed some fat off it and it would be even stronger.
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if you want my controversial opinion, FOABP is a weaker album than any of the three before it
i can't really think of a standout song on FOABP. every song is pretty good but no song is as good as Last Chance to Evacuate, Russia on Ice, Trains, Gravity Eyelids, Heartattack in a Layby, Collapse the Light Into Earth, Arriving Somewhere, Mellotron Scratch, The Start of Something Beautiful etc. there's probably more
lightbulb sun and in absentia have pretty weak flow and a few duds but just hit the mark way more often, i'd rather listen to a mixed bag than a perfectly solid front-to-back album with no real standouts
and then deadwing has good flow and no real duds (shallow, halo, open car are like. weaker tracks but still pretty good idk) so it's far and away superior imo
I agree with this take other than the part about "every song is pretty good." on FOABP.
I honestly don't find any of the songs are all that great. The music has a few moments (the crazy section in Anesthetize I'll grant it). But basically every song on FOABP to me the downer-tone and lyrics seem to usurp the interesting musical sections for the most part.
I don't think there's another record in their catalog that is guilty of that at all, which is why FOABP is probably my least listened to album by the band.
By contrast, Nil Recurring, the songs actually work and are not guilty of that.
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Up the Downstair is really good, but I don't quite rate it as high as the next eight studio albums. I get that The Incident is a divisive album, but I binged it like crazy for a solid year after its release, and feel that it has held up pretty well, a few minor moments from the song cycle aside.
I think The Incident is very good as well. Some killer songs on there. They probably could of trimmed some fat off it and it would be even stronger.
I haven't done a favorite PT songs list in a while (I should do that one next), but I Drive the Hearse and Bonnie the Cat would both were pretty high for me the last time I did one, and I am very high on Time Flies and The Incident (track 6) as well. And the 10-minute sequence of Octane Twisted, The Seance and Circle of Manias is pretty incredible. And of course I love Flicker. So many great songs!
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Up the Downstair is really good, but I don't quite rate it as high as the next eight studio albums. I get that The Incident is a divisive album, but I binged it like crazy for a solid year after its release, and feel that it has held up pretty well, a few minor moments from the song cycle aside.
I think The Incident is very good as well. Some killer songs on there. They probably could of trimmed some fat off it and it would be even stronger.
I haven't done a favorite PT songs list in a while (I should do that one next), but I Drive the Hearse and Bonnie the Cat would both were pretty high for me the last time I did one, and I am very high on Time Flies and The Incident (track 6) as well. And the 10-minute sequence of Octane Twisted, The Seance and Circle of Manias is pretty incredible. And of course I love Flicker. So many great songs!
I agree. I like every one of those songs. There's a ton of really good material on this album IMO.
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Tomorrow should be a good day for those of us in NA :tup
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HERE WE GO
Sep 10 - Toronto, ON TO Live (Meridian Hall)
Sep 12 - Laval, QC Place Bell
Sep 14 - Boston, MA MGM Music Hall at Fenway Park
Sep 16 - New York City, NY Radio City Music Hall
Sep 17 - Philadelphia, PA The Met Philly
Sep 18 - Washington, DC The Anthem
Sep 20 - Chicago, IL Auditorium Theatre
Sep 23 - Irving, TX Toyota Music Factory
Sep 25 - Denver, CO Bellco Theatre
Sep 28 - San Franscisco, CA The Masonic
Sep 30 - Los Angeles, CA Greek Theatre
Oct 04 - Mexico City, MX Pepsi Center WTC
Oct 07 - Santiago, CL Movistar Arena
Looks like a presale starts in 24 hours for those who have pre-ordered the album. Welp, guess I gotta jump on that. I'll share the code for the Boston show though. ;)
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Bummer, nothing near me. I hope for more dates sometime.
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You can listen to a second track from the forthcoming new Porcupine Tree album now. ‘Of The New Day’ is a song of rebirth, emerging from darkness. Listen here: https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/youtube
In many ways it's a typically atypical Porcupine Tree ballad, but I love how the time signature is constantly changing, from bars of regular 4/4 time to 3/4, 5/4, 6/4 and 11/4. I think it’s something PT can do well, to create a song which has complexity to it, but in a way that sounds natural and hopefully not simply complicated for the sake of it. I hope you enjoy!
-Marc.
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PSA You don't actually need to pre-order the album to get presale codes, you can just sign up for their mailing list here: https://porcupinetree.tmstor.es/splash/7070
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New single is good. This album's shaping up nicely.
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Far out. I'll already be in Mexico City for Rammstein. Score. :metal
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New song is pretty good.
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Oh boy, limited dates but ill try to make it to the NY show.
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New single is good. This album's shaping up nicely.
Yup. Nothing mindblowing but still a return to form after The Incident imo.
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HERE WE GO
Sep 10 - Toronto, ON TO Live (Meridian Hall)
Sep 12 - Laval, QC Place Bell
Sep 14 - Boston, MA MGM Music Hall at Fenway Park
Sep 16 - New York City, NY Radio City Music Hall
Sep 17 - Philadelphia, PA The Met Philly
Sep 18 - Washington, DC The Anthem
Sep 20 - Chicago, IL Auditorium Theatre
Sep 23 - Irving, TX Toyota Music Factory
Sep 25 - Denver, CO Bellco Theatre
Sep 28 - San Franscisco, CA The Masonic
Sep 30 - Los Angeles, CA Greek Theatre
Oct 04 - Mexico City, MX Pepsi Center WTC
Oct 07 - Santiago, CL Movistar Arena
Looks like a presale starts in 24 hours for those who have pre-ordered the album. Welp, guess I gotta jump on that. I'll share the code for the Boston show though. ;)
Not very many dates here.
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Here's all the dates:
Sep. 10 - Toronto, ON - Meridian Hall*
Sep. 12 - Laval, QC - Place Bell*
Sep. 14 - Boston, MA - MGM Music Hall at Fenway*
Sep. 16 - New York, NY - Radio City Music Hall*
Sep. 17 - Philadelphia, PA - The Met Philadelphia*
Sep. 18 - Washington, DC - The Anthem*
Sep. 20 - Chicago, IL - Auditorium Theatre*
Sep. 23 - Irving, TX - The Pavilion at Toyota Music Factory*
Sep. 25 - Denver, CO - Bellco Theatre*
Sep. 28 - San Francisco, CA - The Masonic*
Sep. 30 - Los Angeles, CA - Greek Theatre*
Oct. 04 - Mexico City, MX - Pepsi Center^
Oct. 07 - Santiago, CL - Movistar Arena^
Oct. 21 - Berlin, DE - Max Schmelinghalle
Oct. 23 - Vienna, AU - Gasometer
Oct. 24 - Milan, IT - Forum
Oct. 27 - Stockholm, SW - Globe
Oct. 28 - Copenhagen, DK - Falkoner Theatre
Oct. 30 - Katowice, PO - Spodek Hall
Nov. 02 - Paris, FR - Le Zenith
Nov. 04 - Stuttgart, DE - Porsche Arena
Nov. 06 - Oberhausen, DE - KP Arena
Nov. 07 - Amsterdam, NL - Ziggodome
Nov. 09 - Zurich, CH - Halle 622
Nov. 11 - London, UK - SSE Arena, Wembley
This I will not miss! :metal
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Got to say the two new songs have made zero impression on me. Don’t really have any excitement for the new album as of right now.
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I thought the new song was decent. Nothing extraordinary, but pleasant enough. Will definitely be picking up the new album.
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Not listening to this new song. I only listened to the first one once, and with only seven songs on the album, I don't want to be too familiar with two of the seven songs this far in advance of the album's actual release in 39 months.
So yeah, not a fan of this long rollout.
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Got to say the two new songs have made zero impression on me. Don’t really have any excitement for the new album as of right now.
Yes this is me too. The Steven Wilson magic has worn off for me these days.
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Not listening to this new song. I only listened to the first one once, and with only seven songs on the album, I don't want to be too familiar with two of the seven songs this far in advance of the album's actual release in 39 months.
So yeah, not a fan of this long rollout.
Well, there are also 3 bonus songs on the special edition, for a total of ten new songs by the band, but yeah, I get what you mean. I've listened to "Harridan" a couple times and spun this new one once earlier this morning, but I think that's about all I'll give it until the album comes out in late June, just 15.5 weeks away! I wonder if they'll release one more single before then?
-Marc.
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It just seems weird. Wilson did the same thing with The Future Bites, releasing too much of the album in pieces before the official release. Just a little strange considering Wilson is very much a guy who wraps his arms around the idea of the full album listen as opposed to listening to just parts of an album.
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Sep. 14 - Boston, MA - MGM Music Hall at Fenway*
This is a brand new venue opening in the fall of 2022.
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It just seems weird. Wilson did the same thing with The Future Bites, releasing too much of the album in pieces before the official release. Just a little strange considering Wilson is very much a guy who wraps his arms around the idea of the full album listen as opposed to listening to just parts of an album.
I was thinking the same thing. Of course, these days that seems to be what every band/artist does to generate a longer cycle of interest around a release, but still...
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Going to see Porcupine Tree live! :metal It's been a long 12 years...
Tickets are pretty expensive. I wonder how many will be left after the general sale starts - I know it's a reunion / potential farewell tour but these venues are pretty big and Porcupine Tree isn't exactly a massive band.
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Ah, almost forgot to buy them. Yeah pretty expensive but I'm sure it will be worth the price.
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The Eastern pre-sales are all very VIP heavy. I'm not seeing good seats for regular prices. Definitely looking like one of those instances where waiting until Friday is the smart move. I'll certainly check our show, and the show in LA, but my hunch is that it's not worth buying into right now.
edit: On second glance, that's not entirely the case. It's just really fucking expensive. They're charging Roger Waters prices to see this show.
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edit: On second glance, that's not entirely the case. It's just really fucking expensive. They're charging Roger Waters prices to see this show.
Yup, for the Boston show anything that isn't on one of the balconies is over $100.
Not sure if this is just show-specific or if this venue is always going to be this expensive, but if it's the latter hopefully I won't have to see too many shows there in the future. :lol
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edit: On second glance, that's not entirely the case. It's just really fucking expensive. They're charging Roger Waters prices to see this show.
Yup, for the Boston show anything that isn't on one of the balconies is over $100.
Not sure if this is just show-specific or if this venue is always going to be this expensive, but if it's the latter hopefully I won't have to see too many shows there in the future. :lol
Hell, our 300 level seats were >$100.
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edit: On second glance, that's not entirely the case. It's just really fucking expensive. They're charging Roger Waters prices to see this show.
Yup, for the Boston show anything that isn't on one of the balconies is over $100.
Not sure if this is just show-specific or if this venue is always going to be this expensive, but if it's the latter hopefully I won't have to see too many shows there in the future. :lol
Hell, our 300 level seats were >$100.
Oof. We got tickets on the 200 level for $89, but I don't think that includes fees.
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Well, seems they ain't coming to Argentina this time around, so I'll have to save some money and go to the Chile show :mehlin
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On the bright side, tickets for Mexico City are only $50, and I'll already be down there anyway. Ticket prices really are making me reconsider the LA thing, though.
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edit: On second glance, that's not entirely the case. It's just really fucking expensive. They're charging Roger Waters prices to see this show.
Yup, for the Boston show anything that isn't on one of the balconies is over $100.
Not sure if this is just show-specific or if this venue is always going to be this expensive, but if it's the latter hopefully I won't have to see too many shows there in the future. :lol
Yeah, I paid stupid money for the show.
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Just got bent over with teh Dallas Show...$150 Row V (3 rows below the mixing board). Price includes fees.
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Wowzers, Philly is expensive. Was hoping for Orchestra but at $199 a ticket plus fees? Maybe if Mrs. Skeever wasn't going, but since it's both of us, we'll be enjoying the show from the upper Mezzanine :lol
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Wowzers, Philly is expensive. Was hoping for Orchestra but at $199 a ticket plus fees? Maybe if Mrs. Skeever wasn't going, but since it's both of us, we'll be enjoying the show from the upper Mezzanine :lol
Some of the seats are Official Platinum so watch out for those. The ones I chose were not...expensive AF.
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Picked up a <$69 ticket for the Greek Theater gig. I was hoping the pit was GA, but it's all seated, as it turns out. Still, I've wanted to see a show there for a long time, and PT is the ideal band, I think.
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No STL show, so no go for me. I might have considered going to Chicago for that one, but it's on a Tuesday, so no dice.
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Man, i was so excited for this until I saw the prices for Philly. The same seats I sat in the other night for Dream Theater($65 a seat) were $350 each.... What a money grab. That is BS and I will not be attending. Very disappointed in SW. I know he has lost money to make up for but economic times are tough on us fans too. I would have paid $100 a seat but $350??? Thats crazy.
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Is that the actual face value ticket price, or the price once Ticketmaster's scalpers (brokers) get their hands on them and jack up the prices?
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Face value for the NY show, floor seats, close to the stage, is $205. Ticketmaster "Official Platinum" crap pushes some of them to $350, and front row is $956.
Cheapest floor tickets right now are $105 to be last row, and balcony last row is $55.
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Man, i was so excited for this until I saw the prices for Philly. The same seats I sat in the other night for Dream Theater($65 a seat) were $350 each.... What a money grab. That is BS and I will not be attending. Very disappointed in SW. I know he has lost money to make up for but economic times are tough on us fans too. I would have paid $100 a seat but $350??? Thats crazy.
$350 is very definitely a platinum seat. That'll change. Check again tomorrow and I bet you can find a comparable ticket for a bit less. It's still a cash grab, but you can probably get that seat or one like it for $150. Overall tickets seem to be in the $75-175 range.
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If anyone needs presale codes for LA, HARRIDAN and GREEK2022 should work. Expensive venue in general, but keep an eye out for those overpriced "Official Platinum" seats
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Man, i was so excited for this until I saw the prices for Philly. The same seats I sat in the other night for Dream Theater($65 a seat) were $350 each.... What a money grab. That is BS and I will not be attending. Very disappointed in SW. I know he has lost money to make up for but economic times are tough on us fans too. I would have paid $100 a seat but $350??? Thats crazy.
There is no need to blame Steven Wilson, or assume it's a money grab.
Other bands realize how expensive things have become and are not planning on touring anywhere else.
This is how the class division becomes wider as those would can afford the luxury will be the only ones who can attend.
But, people would do anything just to see something they value. People will risk a lot of things and sacrifice just to attend and witness something.
Edit: The closest place to me is Denver and their price range says $49.00 - $153.50, so that also tells me the prices depend on the place. Which I was telling my friend about when he was buying Lady Gaga tickets and was deciding on Dallas or LA, I told him LA is going to be priced more than Dallas.
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Face value for the NY show, floor seats, close to the stage, is $205. Ticketmaster "Official Platinum" crap pushes some of them to $350, and front row is $956.
Cheapest floor tickets right now are $105 to be last row, and balcony last row is $55.
Damn that's pricey, my Tool floor seats 11th row were $182 after all fees and tax.
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Seeing these prices and knowing that Chicago is always usually one of the highest priced places, I'm skipping this. Would love to see them and the Auditorium Theater is a beautiful room, but they priced me out.
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Seeing these prices and knowing that Chicago is always usually one of the highest priced places, I'm skipping this. Would love to see them and the Auditorium Theater is a beautiful room, but they priced me out.
You and me both. I guess I will forever cherish those shows at the Park West.
Tickets, gas, lodging, food - this EASILY becomes a $1000+ road trip.
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New article by the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR323JdsdWkq230NWX-Rg-G2OYP1bFbTk7p_irWkb2xmcy6uOSaq5jG8QsU
SW pulled a real bitch move to just ghost his bandmates.
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New article by the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR323JdsdWkq230NWX-Rg-G2OYP1bFbTk7p_irWkb2xmcy6uOSaq5jG8QsU
SW pulled a real bitch move to just ghost his bandmates.
Even worse for all three of them to just pretend Colin doesn’t even exist. No mention of him or any acknowledgment of his previous contribution or even that he left or reasons he didn’t participate. Just ….nothing.
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Still a good article though IMHO (it's The Guardian, so I expected this)
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Most recent song is not moving the dial for me at all.
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"normal" face value tickets for LA range from 49.50-199.50 before fees, anything priced higher than that is either a VIP package, "official platinum", or resale.
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New article by the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR323JdsdWkq230NWX-Rg-G2OYP1bFbTk7p_irWkb2xmcy6uOSaq5jG8QsU
SW pulled a real bitch move to just ghost his bandmates.
I feel that Colin left with a bitter resentment. He could've likely turned down some Greta opportunities because he wasn't sure what the situation was with the band.
I also feel the band wants to respect Colin and doesn't want to speak for him, so they are trying their best not to mention him.
This a very important quote from Barbieri
Barbieri says: “I know Steven will go into solo mode once this is over. And it depends where that takes him. Porcupine Tree can only really come from Steven wanting to be part of it. I’m quite happy if it is closure. I’m quite comfortable with that. Because we’ve made a good album. And I think we’re going to end on a good vibe between the three of us. There’s not going to be any kind of negative feelings.”
It goes with what I understood with regard to Porcupine Tree and how the artist/founder views it. The music Steven Wilson wants to make is not Porcupine Tree. But he tolerated making that music because it's what people enjoyed.
Now as he grew older, his interests were fighting with that passion. The solo albums we got is the real Steven Wilson and the music he has always wanted to make.
I can feel for Steven because that must be a stress when you're not sure if what you choose to do will br accepted, and you'll fall to the wayside of other musicians that have suddenly shifted I introduced a sound they always love into their current musical project.
Unlike Mikael Akerfeldt who is one who doesn't give a shit and will play and make the music he feels is Opeth.
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New article by the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/mar/10/reunited-prog-rockers-porcupine-tree-on-surviving-their-rift-you-cant-help-but-feel-bitter?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR323JdsdWkq230NWX-Rg-G2OYP1bFbTk7p_irWkb2xmcy6uOSaq5jG8QsU
SW pulled a real bitch move to just ghost his bandmates.
I feel that Colin left with a bitter resentment. He could've likely turned down some Greta opportunities because he wasn't sure what the situation was with the band.
Greta Van Fleet? Or Greta Thunberg? ;)
-Marc.
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It goes with what I understood with regard to Porcupine Tree and how the artist/founder views it. The music Steven Wilson wants to make is not Porcupine Tree. But he tolerated making that music because it's what people enjoyed.
Now as he grew older, his interests were fighting with that passion. The solo albums we got is the real Steven Wilson and the music he has always wanted to make.
I can feel for Steven because that must be a stress when you're not sure if what you choose to do will br accepted, and you'll fall to the wayside of other musicians that have suddenly shifted I introduced a sound they always love into their current musical project.
Unlike Mikael Akerfeldt who is one who doesn't give a shit and will play and make the music he feels is Opeth.
With all due respect, I think most of this is way off base. Wilson with PT almost always made the music he wanted to make at the time. Remember that he was in a big hard rock/metal phase for a while, and PT getting a little more rocking when Harrison joined the band was a reflection of this. Remember that this was right around when he started working with Opeth, and Wilson's music has often been a reflection of what else he was doing at the time, like him writing the super proggy The Raven... album around the same time he was doing the Yes and King Crimson 5.1s. I think he went solo not so he could make the music he wanted, which he was already doing anyway, but because he wanted to go in a direction he knew certain members of PT at the time would not like. He didn't want the constraints of "well, I have to write music the other guys in the band want to play as well." Wilson is very much like Bowie in that he wants to play with musicians who will help him achieve the style he wants for that particular album. If he had thought the other three guys at the time would have been all-in on the music that ended up being Grace for Drowning, that would have been the 11th PT studio album rather than his 2nd solo album.
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It goes with what I understood with regard to Porcupine Tree and how the artist/founder views it. The music Steven Wilson wants to make is not Porcupine Tree. But he tolerated making that music because it's what people enjoyed.
Now as he grew older, his interests were fighting with that passion. The solo albums we got is the real Steven Wilson and the music he has always wanted to make.
I can feel for Steven because that must be a stress when you're not sure if what you choose to do will br accepted, and you'll fall to the wayside of other musicians that have suddenly shifted I introduced a sound they always love into their current musical project.
Unlike Mikael Akerfeldt who is one who doesn't give a shit and will play and make the music he feels is Opeth.
With all due respect, I think most of this is way off base. Wilson with PT almost always made the music he wanted to make at the time. Remember that he was in a big hard rock/metal phase for a while, and PT getting a little more rocking when Harrison joined the band was a reflection of this. Remember that this was right around when he started working with Opeth, and Wilson's music has often been a reflection of what else he was doing at the time, like him writing the super proggy The Raven... album around the same time he was doing the Yes and King Crimson 5.1s. I think he went solo not so he could make the music he wanted, which he was already doing anyway, but because he wanted to go in a direction he knew certain members of PT at the time would not like. He didn't want the constraints of "well, I have to write music the other guys in the band want to play as well." Wilson is very much like Bowie in that he wants to play with musicians who will help him achieve the style he wants for that particular album. If he had thought the other three guys at the time would have been all-in on the music that ended up being Grace for Drowning, that would have been the 11th PT studio album rather than his 2nd solo album.
It's based on Steven still viewing and considering Porcupine Tree as a side project that blew into something bigger that he felt he had an obligation to continue for the sake of the other guys.
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I really like a lot of SW's music output, but the more I read of him and about him, the more I think he's not an easy person to be around or to work with, to phrase it nicely.
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I think he’s on the spectrum. So I give him a bit of leeway
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It goes with what I understood with regard to Porcupine Tree and how the artist/founder views it. The music Steven Wilson wants to make is not Porcupine Tree. But he tolerated making that music because it's what people enjoyed.
Now as he grew older, his interests were fighting with that passion. The solo albums we got is the real Steven Wilson and the music he has always wanted to make.
I can feel for Steven because that must be a stress when you're not sure if what you choose to do will br accepted, and you'll fall to the wayside of other musicians that have suddenly shifted I introduced a sound they always love into their current musical project.
Unlike Mikael Akerfeldt who is one who doesn't give a shit and will play and make the music he feels is Opeth.
With all due respect, I think most of this is way off base. Wilson with PT almost always made the music he wanted to make at the time. Remember that he was in a big hard rock/metal phase for a while, and PT getting a little more rocking when Harrison joined the band was a reflection of this. Remember that this was right around when he started working with Opeth, and Wilson's music has often been a reflection of what else he was doing at the time, like him writing the super proggy The Raven... album around the same time he was doing the Yes and King Crimson 5.1s. I think he went solo not so he could make the music he wanted, which he was already doing anyway, but because he wanted to go in a direction he knew certain members of PT at the time would not like. He didn't want the constraints of "well, I have to write music the other guys in the band want to play as well." Wilson is very much like Bowie in that he wants to play with musicians who will help him achieve the style he wants for that particular album. If he had thought the other three guys at the time would have been all-in on the music that ended up being Grace for Drowning, that would have been the 11th PT studio album rather than his 2nd solo album.
I agree with this for the most part. I think he really didn't want to have to worry about what direction the other guys wanted to go in. He wanted all of the control. You can tell the dude's a control freak. It's harder to do that when you have 3 other "equal" partners.
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I think SW probably feels a lot of salt towards the whole situation. The Future Bites was meant to be the big album propelling him into mainstream fame and he has been working on the last few albums to leave the prog behind and become something else, yet here we are and The Future Bites got fairly lukewarm reception among fans but people haven't stopped asking about his prog band that went defunct a decade ago. Every interview since Grace For Drowning you've heard "What about the future for PT?".
Not really surprised about his comments in that Guardian article about this being the last album and last tour. I'm not gonna say it's a paycheck for him, because I do think he sees some merit in closing the PT chapter with a definitive 'final' album, but on the flip side I don't get anywhere near the same level of passion/enthusiasm from him about this album that we got for The Future Bites or To the Bone. Almost feels a bit like when a director will do a superhero movie so the studio will let them make their passion project next.
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It goes with what I understood with regard to Porcupine Tree and how the artist/founder views it. The music Steven Wilson wants to make is not Porcupine Tree. But he tolerated making that music because it's what people enjoyed.
Now as he grew older, his interests were fighting with that passion. The solo albums we got is the real Steven Wilson and the music he has always wanted to make.
I can feel for Steven because that must be a stress when you're not sure if what you choose to do will br accepted, and you'll fall to the wayside of other musicians that have suddenly shifted I introduced a sound they always love into their current musical project.
Unlike Mikael Akerfeldt who is one who doesn't give a shit and will play and make the music he feels is Opeth.
With all due respect, I think most of this is way off base. Wilson with PT almost always made the music he wanted to make at the time. Remember that he was in a big hard rock/metal phase for a while, and PT getting a little more rocking when Harrison joined the band was a reflection of this. Remember that this was right around when he started working with Opeth, and Wilson's music has often been a reflection of what else he was doing at the time, like him writing the super proggy The Raven... album around the same time he was doing the Yes and King Crimson 5.1s. I think he went solo not so he could make the music he wanted, which he was already doing anyway, but because he wanted to go in a direction he knew certain members of PT at the time would not like. He didn't want the constraints of "well, I have to write music the other guys in the band want to play as well." Wilson is very much like Bowie in that he wants to play with musicians who will help him achieve the style he wants for that particular album. If he had thought the other three guys at the time would have been all-in on the music that ended up being Grace for Drowning, that would have been the 11th PT studio album rather than his 2nd solo album.
It's based on Steven still viewing and considering Porcupine Tree as a side project that blew into something bigger that he felt he had an obligation to continue for the sake of the other guys.
I'm far from the most knowledgeable person about SW, but it has to be strange to have your best-known work be in a style that was turned out to be a fairly-short lived interest of yours. As far as I know, Wilson's made just three albums that can really be considered metal—In Absentia, Deadwing and Fear of a Blank Planet*—and those three ended up being probably his three most popular albums. I can imagine him feeling torn between gratitude that those works were so well-received and frustration that he can't seem to get the same traction with the music he's currently more passionate about.
*I don't really see The Incident as a metal album, but as a prog rock album with metal elements.
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I think SW probably feels a lot of salt towards the whole situation. The Future Bites was meant to be the big album propelling him into mainstream fame and he has been working on the last few albums to leave the prog behind and become something else, yet here we are and The Future Bites got fairly lukewarm reception among fans but people haven't stopped asking about his prog band that went defunct a decade ago. Every interview since Grace For Drowning you've heard "What about the future for PT?".
Not really surprised about his comments in that Guardian article about this being the last album and last tour. I'm not gonna say it's a paycheck for him, because I do think he sees some merit in closing the PT chapter with a definitive 'final' album, but on the flip side I don't get anywhere near the same level of passion/enthusiasm from him about this album that we got for The Future Bites or To the Bone. Almost feels a bit like when a director will do a superhero movie so the studio will let them make their passion project next.
Colin Farrell was on Live with Kelly Clarkson and he was talking about certain acting roles of his. He mentioned Batman was to make money, while his passion project was some indie film titled 'After Yang'. He was saying that movie is the one needs the promotion, not the Batman movie.
I see this same mindset regarding Steven and how he perceives Porcupine Tree and his solo albums. And even the other members of the band.
Barbieri even said....
You can’t help but feel bitter and hurt. You get to a point of critical and commercial success and, at that very point, it’s just dragged away. And, of course, it’s not easy for the members to just carry on. It requires a lot of time before you step back into a career. But for the person at the front, they carry on with the same manager, the same record label, the same fanbase, the same publisher, the same promoter, the same agent. So it’s very painless for them. But it leaves people behind who spent as much time working as they did, so it’s tough.”
In all honesty. I feel this "Reunion" is only to please the fans, and the media who are constantly bugging Steven and the others about Porcupine Tree. Barbieri and Gavin accepted the offer. Colin on the other hand chose not to accept the offer. And I for one don't blame him knowing these circumstances. It's closure for everyone, including Barbieri and Gavin.
Steven also said...
“I didn’t feel particularly liked or respected in the band – or at least if they did have respect, it was never vocalised.”
So. It's not about Steven wanting all the control. His mindset has always been that Porcupine Tree is not his main focus. Yet, he was the one receiving praise from both the media and the fans. And everything followed along when he went solo, as the other guys were left in the dust to what as happening with Porcupine Tree. It's why I feel Closure is a great title for the album, and the Continuation is there because it's uncertain what may happen in the future.
It plays out into the reasons why I do not care one bit what kind of music a musician wants to make. I do not hold music to some high standard. Music is music and so subjective that people can make any noise musical. When one goes out into the world, everything around them can become music, people can get pleasure just from listening to the sounds and noises of the traffic, wind, and life in general. The problem arises when society dictates what constitutes a certain thing, in this case music.
If Steven wants to make pop sounding songs like Permanation, if he wants to utilize Elton John for a purpose, why not. I am sure Elton John did more than just contribute his shopping list to The Future Bites.
For the mental health of the musician, we fans should not be upset and should understand that we the fans are only along for the journey, we are along for the ride with the musician. We are riding the musical wave of the emotions, feeling, messages the artist wants to present. The same way we look at a painting and can see the emotion, feelings, and messages the artist is presenting in the painting.
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...I'm guessing those three bonus songs are only on the $60+ edition? :sad:
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So, i stand corrected. My buddy WAS looking at VIP presale tickets, hence the price of $350.
We ended up getting tickets very near where I sat for DT the other night. About $130 plus charges per seat.
So exactly twice what DT show charged. Expensive? Yes, but i want to see the show so I will pay.
For that price Mr. Wilson ought to at least put on a pair of shoes for us. :rollin
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It wouldn't surprise me if Wilson is doing this reunion partially to recoup some of the losses he took last year when he had to cancel The Future Bites tour. Considering he probably had to eat the costs of everything he had lined up for that tour, he probably took a bath on it.
I agree with Zantera that Wilson's enthusiasm for this album and tour doesn't seem close to what it was for his solo albums of the last decade, but then again all we have seen so far really are interviews in print. Once he starts doing more live interviews, it will be interesting to see how excited he is about it. Not like he is the type to look all giddy and talk excitedly about something, but there are tells that can give that kind of stuff away.
425, I am not sure I agree with your take. Leaving aside the fact that none of those PT albums are metal, I disagree that his recent albums have not gotten traction with the fanbase. The Future Bites was pretty divisive (which I think said more about his core fanbase than it did about the album itself), but his four albums prior to that were all pretty well-received by the fans, especially The Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase. Even if you want to say that To the Bone wasn't well received because some fans flipped out over Permanating, he has still seen great success and much praise for his solo career since disbanding PT when looking at it in totality.
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Yes, I too think he took a big hit on the whole cycle of his last album. I did not personally like it, but I bought it. I can't fault any band or artist for trying to make up for some of the losses of the last 2 years. I guess with that in mind, I have no problem paying what I paid for my ticket.
Has anything been said about another bass/gtr. player helping them out on tour? i know there has been specuLation about Nick Beggs (which would be great) I can't see them doing the back catalogue as a 3 pc.
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Yes, I too think he took a big hit on the whole cycle of his last album. I did not personally like it, but I bought it. I can't fault any band or artist for trying to make up for some of the losses of the last 2 years. I guess with that in mind, I have no problem paying what I paid for my ticket.
Has anything been said about another bass/gtr. player helping them out on tour? i know there has been specuLation about Nick Beggs (which would be great) I can't see them doing the back catalogue as a 3 pc.
I almost guarantee they'll have a secondary guitarist as well, and tour as a five-piece. Steven may want to give some of his guitar parts to a dedicated guitarist so he can focus on vocals for PT songs. He'll still probably do solos here and there, but it might just be easier for them overall to tour as a five-piece.
As for Steven doing PT as a result of poor reception to TFB and the losses of not being able to do his biggest tour yet, I've been saying that ever since the reunion was announced. The timing seems too perfect to just be a coincidence. I'm sure the fans will come out in droves just to see PT one more time, especially if it has been confirmed that this will be the final time they ever tour. That's a good way to drive up ticket sales, although I have to wonder if SW will cave to fan-demand that do another PT reunion album after this year if it proves to be hugely successful, though last I heard, he was already planning another solo album after this year, so who knows.
-Marc.
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Yeah, that's a weird take frogprog. They will have a full band and do their back catalog.
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It will be interesting to see if he uses Beggs and maybe Alex Hutchings (the guitarist from his last solo tour) - or if he goes with some totally new faces for PT.
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If aristocrats werent touring call up Guthrie, :lol although I'm not sure if that bridge is burned
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If aristocrats werent touring call up Guthrie, :lol although I'm not sure if that bridge is burned
Guthrie's one of my all-time favorites. But yeah, I don't think that will be happening..
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As for Steven doing PT as a result of poor reception to TFB and the losses of not being able to do his biggest tour yet, I've been saying that ever since the reunion was announced. The timing seems too perfect to just be a coincidence. I'm sure the fans will come out in droves just to see PT one more time, especially if it has been confirmed that this will be the final time they ever tour. That's a good way to drive up ticket sales, although I have to wonder if SW will cave to fan-demand that do another PT reunion album after this year if it proves to be hugely successful, though last I heard, he was already planning another solo album after this year, so who knows.
Agreed. Plus, he said several times when promoting The Future Bites that guitar rock was dying or dead (cannot remember his exact wording), and lo and behold, here is he back in his band that is very guitar-driven. But I am okay with it. I know some love the idea of a starving artist never doing anything for me, but if we can assume he took a bath last year due to the canceled tour, I am good with him recouping these losses with the PT album and tour. The pandemic stung many really hard financially, and if this is the best way for him to get back some of what he lost, it is what it is. And we fans get new PT music to boot. It's win-win, unless you're Colin Edwin. :lol
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It's win-win, unless you're Colin Edwin. :lol
A Colin Ed win-win :P
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I agree with the general consensus that part of this is due to SW trying to make up for the losses he incurred from the canceled tour he had lined up for his last solo album, and that this is probably going to be PT's last album/tour. But honestly, *why* does it have to be that way? Why can't he treat it the same way he does the other projects/bands he's involved in? Or maybe even do something similar to what MP does with the bands he's in with NM, where they rotate from NMB to FC to TA and back again? Given how prolific he is as a songwriter, as he writes songs, he can recognize where they're best suited: PT, Blackfield, No-Man or solo, and file them away until the appropriate time.
It's win-win, unless you're Colin Edwin. :lol
A Colin Ed win-win :P
Zing! Well played! :lol
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Fair point, but while projects like Blackfield and No-Man have specific styles generally speaking, his solo career and Porcupine Tree do not, so it is not as easy for Wilson to say, "Oh, this sounds like PT," since Porcupine Tree is The Sky Moves Sideways, Radioactive Toy, Piano Lessons, Blackest Eyes and Bonnie the Cat.
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Who cares if he is trying to make up money. Thank God he needed it. Enjoy the PT or solo ride. Either way, I'm happy.
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425, I am not sure I agree with your take. Leaving aside the fact that none of those PT albums are metal, I disagree that his recent albums have not gotten traction with the fanbase. The Future Bites was pretty divisive (which I think said more about his core fanbase than it did about the album itself), but his four albums prior to that were all pretty well-received by the fans, especially The Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase. Even if you want to say that To the Bone wasn't well received because some fans flipped out over Permanating, he has still seen great success and much praise for his solo career since disbanding PT when looking at it in totality.
I think a lot of his solo material has gotten traction with his fanbase, but my point is about traction outside his core group of fans. If you could somehow take a poll of the whole world about what Wilson albums are best-known and best-loved, I suspect the top three would be IA, DW and FOABP. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Just looking at the prog world, there's definitely a whole group of people who aren't too interested in his solo albums, but have been wanting a PT reunion because they love that project and especially those albums.
To take a rather unscientific but indicative measure, here are the RateYourMusic stats for those albums, which are the top 5 SW-related albums in number of ratings:
IA: 11,764 ratings, 3.83 average
FOABP: 9,126 ratings, 3.80 average
DW: 8,890 ratings, 3.84 average
TRTRTS: 6,115 ratings, 3.68 average
HCE: 4,237 ratings, 3.65 average
My point is definitely not to say that Wilson has been a failure outside of those albums or to speculate on his motives for reuniting the band, just that those are probably the albums he's most known for. And that it's probably a strange situation to not be especially interested in making music in the style of the work you're best known for, and have people clamoring for you to make more in that vein.
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I agree with the general consensus that part of this is due to SW trying to make up for the losses he incurred from the canceled tour he had lined up for his last solo album, and that this is probably going to be PT's last album/tour. But honestly, *why* does it have to be that way? Why can't he treat it the same way he does the other projects/bands he's involved in? Or maybe even do something similar to what MP does with the bands he's in with NM, where they rotate from NMB to FC to TA and back again? Given how prolific he is as a songwriter, as he writes songs, he can recognize where they're best suited: PT, Blackfield, No-Man or solo, and file them away until the appropriate time.
I think it's a combination of a couple of factors:
1. I think it's safe to say that Porcupine Tree has been SW's most successful band/project out of the half-dozen or so he's been a part of. Blackfield reached a certain level of pop-song realm but never really took off, and I think Steven's diminishing contributions over time kind of feel like he didn't have a lot of faith in Blackfield breaking out the way he thought it might have. There are some songs from his latter solo albums that I feel could have been earmarked for Blackfield albums but he kept them for himself rather than workshopping them with Aviv. His other projects like No-Man, Bass Communion, and IEM are all a bit too niche to gain any mainstream recognition. Porcupine Tree was where Steven made a name for himself and so it makes sense to go back to it after luke-warm reception to his last solo album. I don't think Mike Portnoy goes from one project to the next with the mindset of "My last album didn't do too well, so my next project should be with a super popular group so I can regain _______ (popularity? ego? money?)." Same with Neal Morse, or Roine Stolt, or Arjen Lucassen - all of these super-prolific guys with multiple projects don't really seem to push themselves to be seen in the limelight. I think they all know how niche prog is in general and aren't keen to promote themselves as the next big thing in pop-rock the way I feel like Steven has tried to do since HCE.
2. Porcupine Tree has been on hiatus for over a decade. If he had kept producing PT albums, I wouldn't bat an eye on him coming back to PT after TFB's failure-to-launch. Like the above artists I mentioned with their multiple projects, for the most part, they're all active and have been for most of the past decade. On the other hand, Porcupine Tree hasn't been an active unit since the fall of 2010, with their last live show being October 14th of that year. It's been 11.5 years and all that SW has done with the band name has been re-issues, remasters and remixes, and other super-deluxe cash-grabs (looking at you, In Absentia).
3. As for writing songs he feels are best suited for PT, I think I read that some of the songs on the new album go all the way back to The Incident as song ideas for PT's next album, meaning he's had them for a LONG time. Has it been said that he's written NEW material for the band, or has it been rehashed/updated old material from before the hiatus? If it's all old material that was written back then, I think he's probably done making NEW music for Porcupine Tree, which kind of fuels the fire of "He's only doing this to recoup his losses" because it wouldn't feel like he's putting in present-effort like the way he's done with TTB or TFB, and is just digging through old harddrives to scrounge up bits and pieces of old PT ideas to make a new PT album. But maybe that's just me being cynical? :lol
Either way, I think the whole situation is a bit odd, especially given how Colin hasn't been mentioned by any of the band members anywhere, and Colin himself (as far as I know) hasn't said anything regarding his absence in the band, or whether or not he wanted to rejoin/was asked to rejoin. It's about as odd as Tomas Bodin not coming back to The Flower Kings. Maybe Colin Edwin, Tomas Bodin, and Mike Portnoy should start a band of ex-bandmates? :rollin
-Marc.
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425, I am not sure I agree with your take. Leaving aside the fact that none of those PT albums are metal, I disagree that his recent albums have not gotten traction with the fanbase. The Future Bites was pretty divisive (which I think said more about his core fanbase than it did about the album itself), but his four albums prior to that were all pretty well-received by the fans, especially The Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase. Even if you want to say that To the Bone wasn't well received because some fans flipped out over Permanating, he has still seen great success and much praise for his solo career since disbanding PT when looking at it in totality.
I think a lot of his solo material has gotten traction with his fanbase, but my point is about traction outside his core group of fans. If you could somehow take a poll of the whole world about what Wilson albums are best-known and best-loved, I suspect the top three would be IA, DW and FOABP. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Just looking at the prog world, there's definitely a whole group of people who aren't too interested in his solo albums, but have been wanting a PT reunion because they love that project and especially those albums.
To take a rather unscientific but indicative measure, here are the RateYourMusic stats for those albums, which are the top 5 SW-related albums in number of ratings:
IA: 11,764 ratings, 3.83 average
FOABP: 9,126 ratings, 3.80 average
DW: 8,890 ratings, 3.84 average
TRTRTS: 6,115 ratings, 3.68 average
HCE: 4,237 ratings, 3.65 average
My point is definitely not to say that Wilson has been a failure outside of those albums or to speculate on his motives for reuniting the band, just that those are probably the albums he's most known for. And that it's probably a strange situation to not be especially interested in making music in the style of the work you're best known for, and have people clamoring for you to make more in that vein.
I get what you are saying, but I am not sure Wilson is as far removed from the sound of those three PT albums as we think. His 2nd most recent solo album, To the Bone, had two songs, People Who Eat Darkness and The Same Asylum as Before, that many, myself included, thought would have been right at home on those PT albums from the 00s once Harrison joined the band. And on his last solo tour, he also played not only those two songs, but The Creator Has a Mastertape (which could be argued is the heaviest song PT ever did) and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (which rocks pretty hard at times), so he is not as far removed from his style of hard rock/prog as it may seem. I think his "the guitar is dead" silliness when promoting The Future Bites was merely a promotional tactic on his part, like his way of trying to make it seem like the electric guitar is dead and buried since there wasn't a lot of it on TFB in the way we usually hear guitar on his albums, if you get my meaning.
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I get what you are saying, but I am not sure Wilson is as far removed from the sound of those three PT albums as we think. His 2nd most recent solo album, To the Bone, had two songs, People Who Eat Darkness and The Same Asylum as Before, that many, myself included, thought would have been right at home on those PT albums from the 00s once Harrison joined the band. And on his last solo tour, he also played not only those two songs, but The Creator Has a Mastertape (which could be argued is the heaviest song PT ever did) and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (which rocks pretty hard at times), so he is not as far removed from his style of hard rock/prog as it may seem. I think his "the guitar is dead" silliness when promoting The Future Bites was merely a promotional tactic on his part, like his way of trying to make it seem like the electric guitar is dead and buried since there wasn't a lot of it on TFB in the way we usually hear guitar on his albums, if you get my meaning.
I'll fully grant that you would know more than I would about all of this. I don't really follow his music anymore and haven't heard any of his albums since Hand. Cannot. Erase., so I can't speak to his recent work. I just saw the article elsewhere and had the thought. Didn't mean any disrespect to the guy at all, so I hope it didn't come across that way.
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I get what you are saying, but I am not sure Wilson is as far removed from the sound of those three PT albums as we think. His 2nd most recent solo album, To the Bone, had two songs, People Who Eat Darkness and The Same Asylum as Before, that many, myself included, thought would have been right at home on those PT albums from the 00s once Harrison joined the band. And on his last solo tour, he also played not only those two songs, but The Creator Has a Mastertape (which could be argued is the heaviest song PT ever did) and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (which rocks pretty hard at times), so he is not as far removed from his style of hard rock/prog as it may seem. I think his "the guitar is dead" silliness when promoting The Future Bites was merely a promotional tactic on his part, like his way of trying to make it seem like the electric guitar is dead and buried since there wasn't a lot of it on TFB in the way we usually hear guitar on his albums, if you get my meaning.
I'll fully grant that you would know more than I would about all of this. I don't really follow his music anymore and haven't heard any of his albums since Hand. Cannot. Erase., so I can't speak to his recent work. I just saw the article elsewhere and had the thought. Didn't mean any disrespect to the guy at all, so I hope it didn't come across that way.
No worries at all. :)
It's always interesting to read different perspectives on this stuff. :coolio
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I agree with the general consensus that part of this is due to SW trying to make up for the losses he incurred from the canceled tour he had lined up for his last solo album, and that this is probably going to be PT's last album/tour. But honestly, *why* does it have to be that way? Why can't he treat it the same way he does the other projects/bands he's involved in? Or maybe even do something similar to what MP does with the bands he's in with NM, where they rotate from NMB to FC to TA and back again? Given how prolific he is as a songwriter, as he writes songs, he can recognize where they're best suited: PT, Blackfield, No-Man or solo, and file them away until the appropriate time.
It's win-win, unless you're Colin Edwin. :lol
A Colin Ed win-win :P
Zing! Well played! :lol
I agree Scotty. It's almost like he resents Porcupine Tree's success - which is really odd.
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I agree with the general consensus that part of this is due to SW trying to make up for the losses he incurred from the canceled tour he had lined up for his last solo album, and that this is probably going to be PT's last album/tour. But honestly, *why* does it have to be that way? Why can't he treat it the same way he does the other projects/bands he's involved in? Or maybe even do something similar to what MP does with the bands he's in with NM, where they rotate from NMB to FC to TA and back again? Given how prolific he is as a songwriter, as he writes songs, he can recognize where they're best suited: PT, Blackfield, No-Man or solo, and file them away until the appropriate time.
3. As for writing songs he feels are best suited for PT, I think I read that some of the songs on the new album go all the way back to The Incident as song ideas for PT's next album, meaning he's had them for a LONG time. Has it been said that he's written NEW material for the band, or has it been rehashed/updated old material from before the hiatus? If it's all old material that was written back then, I think he's probably done making NEW music for Porcupine Tree, which kind of fuels the fire of "He's only doing this to recoup his losses" because it wouldn't feel like he's putting in present-effort like the way he's done with TTB or TFB, and is just digging through old harddrives to scrounge up bits and pieces of old PT ideas to make a new PT album. But maybe that's just me being cynical? :lol
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that about half the material was leftovers, like you mentioned, and half were new songs they had written.
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425, I am not sure I agree with your take. Leaving aside the fact that none of those PT albums are metal, I disagree that his recent albums have not gotten traction with the fanbase. The Future Bites was pretty divisive (which I think said more about his core fanbase than it did about the album itself), but his four albums prior to that were all pretty well-received by the fans, especially The Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase. Even if you want to say that To the Bone wasn't well received because some fans flipped out over Permanating, he has still seen great success and much praise for his solo career since disbanding PT when looking at it in totality.
I think a lot of his solo material has gotten traction with his fanbase, but my point is about traction outside his core group of fans. If you could somehow take a poll of the whole world about what Wilson albums are best-known and best-loved, I suspect the top three would be IA, DW and FOABP. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Just looking at the prog world, there's definitely a whole group of people who aren't too interested in his solo albums, but have been wanting a PT reunion because they love that project and especially those albums.
To take a rather unscientific but indicative measure, here are the RateYourMusic stats for those albums, which are the top 5 SW-related albums in number of ratings:
IA: 11,764 ratings, 3.83 average
FOABP: 9,126 ratings, 3.80 average
DW: 8,890 ratings, 3.84 average
TRTRTS: 6,115 ratings, 3.68 average
HCE: 4,237 ratings, 3.65 average
My point is definitely not to say that Wilson has been a failure outside of those albums or to speculate on his motives for reuniting the band, just that those are probably the albums he's most known for. And that it's probably a strange situation to not be especially interested in making music in the style of the work you're best known for, and have people clamoring for you to make more in that vein.
Well I personally consider myself a fan of both PT and his solo material. And in my opinion his two best albums are (and it's not even close for my money) HCE and The Raven. I think they're both masterpieces. With that said, wasn't a fan of TFB.
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The Raven would probably my number 1 SW album from any of his bands/projects if I loved Luminol as much as the other five songs. I like Luminol; I just don't love it. As is stands, it is still a top 3 SW album for me along with Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun.
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I used to think The Raven was highly overrated aside from the title track as it was his least original album and it just felt like someone out of ideas trying to pull inspiration and sounds from better bands who did it better 40 years earlier. But it has grown on me after HCE, TTB and TFB which I all liked less and less, and looking back at Raven it's almost great in its simplicity. Even though the music itself feels snobby it doesn't have that aura/arrogance (call it what you will) of SW trying to be David Bowie or something.
I would say Luminol, The Watchmaker and the title track are the 3 big pillars that hold the album up but the other 3 aren't bad either. I would like Drive Home a bit more without the over-the-top guitar soloing at the end (controversial I know) but it is good for what it is. Holy Drinker has some cool parts too. Pin Drop is the most bland/forgettable song on there but it's only 5 minutes so it doesn't really overstay its welcome. But I can't say enough great things about the title track. As far as I'm concerned it's maybe his best song of his career. At the very least I'd put it up there with maybe Trains or Dark Matter if you wanna include his other projects.
Overall Raven doesn't beat Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning but I'd put it comfortably as his 3rd best solo album and I'd have a bit of a quality divide down to the next 3.
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I used to think The Raven was highly overrated aside from the title track as it was his least original album and it just felt like someone out of ideas trying to pull inspiration and sounds from better bands who did it better 40 years earlier. But it has grown on me
This except I've enjoyed it less and less over the years, to the point where it's now easily in the bottom half of his solo discography. It's by far his most overrated album, IMO.
HCE and TTB are where his solo material finally started to match the quality of his PT work, for me. I have no idea why TTB isn't more highly-regarded aside from the fact that Permanating is on it. I especially love the final leg of that album, from People Who Eat Darkness to Song Of Unborn. Detonation fucking slaps.
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For the most part, I can hear stylistic differences between his solo work and PT. But with HCE, I don’t hear a difference at all. I think that easily could’ve been a Porcupine Tree album.
As for his best solo work, I would put HCE as his best, followed closely by Raven. But unlike most, I would pick The Watchmaker as the crown jewel of the album just slightly ahead of the title track.
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I used to think The Raven was highly overrated aside from the title track as it was his least original album and it just felt like someone out of ideas trying to pull inspiration and sounds from better bands who did it better 40 years earlier. But it has grown on me
This except I've enjoyed it less and less over the years, to the point where it's now easily in the bottom half of his solo discography. It's by far his most overrated album, IMO.
HCE and TTB are where his solo material finally started to match the quality of his PT work, for me. I have no idea why TTB isn't more highly-regarded aside from the fact that Permanating is on it. I especially love the final leg of that album, from People Who Eat Darkness to Song Of Unborn. Detonation fucking slaps.
My thoughts on the last 3 solo albums fairly summarized:
HCE - This is his most overrated IMO. It's the one that sounds the most like a PT album but aside from maybe Routine it just feels fairly 'average' for him. It's okay but he's made a bunch of other albums in similar sounds that I would much rather listen to.
TTB - I enjoy it but aside from Permanating (which I do like and find catchy) it just lacks those personal favorite standout songs for me.
TFB - Kinda similar to TTB I enjoy it enough when I listen to it but there's not that itch to spin it again. At ~10 spins I don't feel I would miss out on much if I never listened to it again.
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I can only speak for the U.K. but, based on his success here, Steven Wilson in no way needed to go back to PT as a cash grab. He has had much more success as a solo artist than he did with PT.
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I can only speak for the U.K. but, based on his success here, Steven Wilson in no way needed to go back to PT as a cash grab. He has had much more success as a solo artist than he did with PT.
Popularity might not be a big issue, but he was probably knee-deep into planning his TFB Tour in 2020 just before the pandemic closed the world. He even postponed the album's release to match a potential tour date range, but that never materialized either, and so he probably lost a LOT of money on creating, postponing, and eventually cancelling the TFB Tour. PT seems like the best bet for recouping costs in terms of making money on a studio album AND a tour. He might've done well with another solo album, but I'm sure PT, worldwide, would help him a bit more financially speaking.
-Marc.
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I used to think The Raven was highly overrated aside from the title track as it was his least original album and it just felt like someone out of ideas trying to pull inspiration and sounds from better bands who did it better 40 years earlier. But it has grown on me
This except I've enjoyed it less and less over the years, to the point where it's now easily in the bottom half of his solo discography. It's by far his most overrated album, IMO.
HCE and TTB are where his solo material finally started to match the quality of his PT work, for me. I have no idea why TTB isn't more highly-regarded aside from the fact that Permanating is on it. I especially love the final leg of that album, from People Who Eat Darkness to Song Of Unborn. Detonation fucking slaps.
Not for me. I think The Raven and HCE are both awesome start to finish. But I agree, TTB is very underrated. Love Song of the Unborn, Detonation, Same Asylum, Refuge etc..
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I can only speak for the U.K. but, based on his success here, Steven Wilson in no way needed to go back to PT as a cash grab. He has had much more success as a solo artist than he did with PT.
I'm sure you're right about the U.K. - I'd say here in the US though, PT is a slightly bigger draw.
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As good as Hand. Cannot. Erase. is, Grace for Drowning is better.
There it is. :hat :hat
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As good as Hand. Cannot. Erase. is, Grace for Drowning is better.
There it is. :hat :hat
Raven
HCE
Insurgentes
TTB
Grace for Drowning
TFB
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1. Insurgentes
2. Grace For Drowning
3. The Raven That Refused to Sing
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4. To the Bone
5. Hand Cannot Erase
6. The Future Bites
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HCE
To the Bone
and the rest don't do anything for me at all.
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1. The Raven That Refused To Sing
2. Insurgentes
3. The Rest
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Great: HCE, TTB
Good: GFD
Okay: Insurgentes, TRTRTS
Meh: TFB
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I love Porcupine Tree. I love Blackfield. I like what I've heard of No-Man. I never go into Wilson's solo albums wanting to dislike them. But barring the odd song here and there, none of it has really done anything for me. But I'm going to keep giving each one at least one solid try; I can tell he's clearly putting a lot of passion into the solo stuff.
Just wish I enjoyed it more. :lol
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I love Porcupine Tree. I love Blackfield. I like what I've heard of No-Man. I never go into Wilson's solo albums wanting to dislike them. But barring the odd song here and there, none of it has really done anything for me. But I'm going to keep giving each one at least one solid try; I can tell he's clearly putting a lot of passion into the solo stuff.
Just wish I enjoyed it more. :lol
I personally like PT and Blackfield more than his solo stuff as well so I kinda get you, but I still think there is great stuff in the solo work as well! :P
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I'm not quite sure what to make of Blackfield. I've only listened to their first two albums somewhat recently, and there's certainly some standouts there (Blackfield, Once, End Of The World) but also a lot of pretty forgettable songs. Looking at the song credits on Wikipedia I generally seem to enjoy the ones that Steven Wilson wrote more, which I guess isn't too surprising. I'm also not really a fan of Aviv Geffen's voice.
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I can only speak for the U.K. but, based on his success here, Steven Wilson in no way needed to go back to PT as a cash grab. He has had much more success as a solo artist than he did with PT.
I'm sure you're right about the U.K. - I'd say here in the US though, PT is a slightly bigger draw.
I'm not sure actual popularity is what determines whether or not he gets rich from a tour. The reunion/finality aspect makes the PT a better draw, and it's the promoters that pay him. The two times SW has been through here he played <1500 seat venues. Now he's in a 4k seat mini-shed, and selling $450 VIP packages.
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I'm not quite sure what to make of Blackfield. I've only listened to their first two albums somewhat recently, and there's certainly some standouts there (Blackfield, Once, End Of The World) but also a lot of pretty forgettable songs. Looking at the song credits on Wikipedia I generally seem to enjoy the ones that Steven Wilson wrote more, which I guess isn't too surprising. I'm also not really a fan of Aviv Geffen's voice.
I think the first two Blackfield albums are definitely the best ones (I love both from start to finish), but while the fourth is pretty dodgy, the third and fifth one are mostly good as well. I say "mostly" especially in regards to the third since Go to Hell is a massive embarrassment. Fortunately, the rest of it is really good; you just have to avoid that monstrosity.
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I'm not quite sure what to make of Blackfield. I've only listened to their first two albums somewhat recently, and there's certainly some standouts there (Blackfield, Once, End Of The World) but also a lot of pretty forgettable songs. Looking at the song credits on Wikipedia I generally seem to enjoy the ones that Steven Wilson wrote more, which I guess isn't too surprising. I'm also not really a fan of Aviv Geffen's voice.
I think I used to have that opinion but it definitely changed. SW is the weakest part of Blackfield and that's not really a slight on SW, I think what he brings to the table is kinda elevating the whole package but the Aviv songs tend to be my favorites for the most part (with some exceptions).
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I don't really listen to Blackfield. But I do enjoy Open Mind and Oxygen.
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As good as Hand. Cannot. Erase. is, Grace for Drowning is better.
There it is. :hat :hat
I listened to Grace for Drowning today for the first time in a while. It really is an excellent album. I actually think all of his solo albums, except The Future Bites, are really quite incredible. For me my favorites are HCE and Raven, but the others (except TFB) are all excellent as well.
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For me the top 3 go,
TRTRTS
HCE
GFD
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Yeah, I really only got around to the 3rd, 4th, and 5th Blackfield albums in the last year and a half and was surprised at how much I liked DNA and BF5 after everything I'd heard about them. BF4 *is* pretty dodgy though. :lol
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Interview with Richard Barbieri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEa38RTC32c
Around the 15-minute mark or so, he directly addresses what happened with Colin and how it came to be just a 3-man unit this time around.
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It seems like they don't communicate very well with each other and much less with the other parts involved/related with the band. SW clearly sees this album as a closure and, on the other hand, it seems like Barbieri sees it as a "new version of the band" continuing the PT work. They talked about it? If it's the last album/tour, how something could end in good terms this way?
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Honestly, after listening to that interview, I think lesser of all three. Basically, Edwin wasn't brought back because Wilson had already played the bass in the jams he and Harrison did? That is basically what Barbieri said. What a stupid freaking reason. He kind of joked twice how the band was catching heat for all of this, and well they kind of deserve it. How disappointing.
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A part of me wishes Porcupine Tree hadn't regrouped and Steven had just gone on to make The Future Bites 2. It would have shown more integrity.
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One thing that caught my ear too was Barbieri saying John Wesley was upset, and I thought, "Why??" It's not like he was ever an official member of the band. He was a hired hand for the live shows, and not a very good one, IMO. Getting someone else to be the second guitarist and to help with the singing and harmonies can only improve their live shows.
Ultimately, I do wonder if not bringing Edwin back was a monetary decision as well. I am sure they have crunched the numbers and have a ballpark figure of what the band as a whole will make off of the album sales, any special releases, and the live shows, and all of that money divided by 3 is more than all of that money divided by 4. Paying a bass player as a hired hand for the live shows will cost a lot less than paying another full time member.
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Honestly, after listening to that interview, I think lesser of all three. Basically, Edwin wasn't brought back because Wilson had already played the bass in the jams he and Harrison did? That is basically what Barbieri said. What a stupid freaking reason. He kind of joked twice how the band was catching heat for all of this, and well they kind of deserve it. How disappointing.
I haven't watched the full interview, I'll probably do that later today but I'm like "So what?" You won't even extend the invite to someone who has been a part of PT for such a long time.
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One thing that caught my ear too was Barbieri saying John Wesley was upset, and I thought, "Why??" It's not like he was ever an official member of the band. He was a hired hand for the live shows, and not a very good one, IMO. Getting someone else to be the second guitarist and to help with the singing and harmonies can only improve their live shows.
Is he officially uninvolved in the tour? I honestly think he's quite important to what they do live.
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One thing that caught my ear too was Barbieri saying John Wesley was upset, and I thought, "Why??" It's not like he was ever an official member of the band. He was a hired hand for the live shows, and not a very good one, IMO. Getting someone else to be the second guitarist and to help with the singing and harmonies can only improve their live shows.
Is he officially uninvolved in the tour? I honestly think he's quite important to what they do live.
Yes pretty much. The interview with Richard also revealed that they will use someone who plays keys and guitar as well.
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I think John Wesley had put on social media something along the lines of #Ivemovedon when the tour was first announced.
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Honestly, after listening to that interview, I think lesser of all three. Basically, Edwin wasn't brought back because Wilson had already played the bass in the jams he and Harrison did? That is basically what Barbieri said. What a stupid freaking reason. He kind of joked twice how the band was catching heat for all of this, and well they kind of deserve it. How disappointing.
Thanks for the link to the interview Kev. I haven't watched it yet, but will at some point today. I thought Colin choose not to return. Did we not see that somewhere? He basically said said he's moved past PT and was no longer interested - am I dreaming this? Is Barbieri saying he was basically fired? I'm confused.
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The cynical part of my brain also thinks it feels like a money decision. Personally I love Colin's bass playing and it's actually one of the core aspects of the PT sound to me, however if you're gonna remove a piece of the pie, you can't cut SW for obvious reasons since he's the quarterback, you're not gonna cut Gavin who is one of the most liked drummers in the genre and I think Richard's keyboard soundscapes is a slightly bigger piece to the PT sound than the bass playing. If you're gonna cut one out for a bigger slice, as sad as it sounds that person is Colin.
I'm neither strongly for or against John Wesley but I can sympathize with the guy. He was part of the band through their commercially successful years and I even know a lot of people who thought he was part of the band because of what he brought on the Arriving Somewhere or Anesthetize shows for example.
I'm still intrigued to hear this album but the interviews are doing more harm than good to my own hype. :lol
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I'm neither strongly for or against John Wesley but I can sympathize with the guy. He was part of the band through their commercially successful years and I even know a lot of people who thought he was part of the band because of what he brought on the Arriving Somewhere or Anesthetize shows for example.
Not that it would make any difference given the way they gave Colin the heave-ho, but I remember reading that back in the day Wes was offered to become an official member of PT and he turned it down.
Regarding these lineup changes, in a way, I can kinda understand what Richard's say about how things organically came together without there really being an intention to restart PT - reminds me of how Yes "reformed" in 1983, and Steve Howe in particular was left out. But OTOH, PT was never a band with a revolving door of members like Yes - just Chris being fired and replaced by Gavin - so I do think it's a bit of punk move for them not to even give Colin the opportunity to be a part of the band. Given the kinda cash they're asking for the tickets on the upcoming tour, I'm sure there's more than enough to be made that having Colin be a part of it shouldn't be a problem.
As for the comments Colin made, I wonder if what he said was more of a response after he found out what was developing and that he wasn't gonna be a part of it, rather than he actively rejected any consideration to reforming PT. Could be either possibility but I tend to think it was probably more of a response than anything else.
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Honestly, after listening to that interview, I think lesser of all three. Basically, Edwin wasn't brought back because Wilson had already played the bass in the jams he and Harrison did? That is basically what Barbieri said. What a stupid freaking reason. He kind of joked twice how the band was catching heat for all of this, and well they kind of deserve it. How disappointing.
I watched the interview. He’s trying to blame Colin by saying he didn’t keep in touch like the other 3 did. Basically saying if he would have kept in touch, maybe it would have turned out differently and he’d still be in the band. The whole thing seems strange to me.
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It is definitely strange. Given that Wilson is the straw that stirs the Porcupine Tree drink, I suspect this is the way he wanted it, and the other two just went along with it, for the sake of the reunion and the money they stand to make from it. The whole thing definitely leaves a bad taste.
I agree with Zantera that if one had to go, it had to be Edwin unfortunately. Wilson is obviously the most important by a country mile, and while I think Harrison is the most replaceable of the other three (the band was great before he arrived and could be again without him; that is all the proof I need), but he has too much of a pedigree as a top drummer now to where he is the biggest "name" of the other three. And Barbieri's sounds and textures are a massive part of the overall PT sound.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
Exactly, if they have tried before this jam to connect with him and there was no response. Why try again?...
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
Exactly, if they have tried before this jam to connect with him and there was no response. Why try again?...
Not buying it. Besides being friends, this is a business. That's not how you should conduct business.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
Exactly, if they have tried before this jam to connect with him and there was no response. Why try again?...
But where in Richard's interview is there *any* indication that they did try to connect with Colin and got no response? From what I gather, Steven and Gavin would meet together and jam on bass and drums just for the fun of it, and at a certain point Richard got involved and things took a more serious turn and became this reunion. Feel free to point out what part of the interview I got wrong.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
Exactly, if they have tried before this jam to connect with him and there was no response. Why try again?...
But where in Richard's interview is there *any* indication that they did try to connect with Colin and got no response? From what I gather, Steven and Gavin would meet together and jam on bass and drums just for the fun of it, and at a certain point Richard got involved and things took a more serious turn and became this reunion. Feel free to point out what part of the interview I got wrong.
This was my take too. It seems like Gavin and Steven live close together so they jammed and Richard was sending SW stuff even while SW was doing the solo stuff.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
Exactly, if they have tried before this jam to connect with him and there was no response. Why try again?...
Not buying it. Besides being friends, this is a business. That's not how you should conduct business.
Who even said Colin was friends with the rest of the guys. You're assuming he was friends. Music is a business and there are moments when musicians are not friends, they're acquaintances that get along for the sake of the job.
What's being revealed is that more than likely, supposedly, Colin felt like an acquaintance and did not consider the guys friends. So, in turn, he took no initiative to hang out, jam, or connect with the guys after PT stopped.
Even if Colin were to have connected and returned, he would have to learn Stevens bass parts and would then contribute his own parts if he felt like it.
This is something that naturally happened as was stated and the guys felt no need to include Colin. To let it flow naturally, you need to let things come out that way. Its why I see no reason to get upset because Colin isn't there. I would like him to be because his playing style added this laid backness to the bands presentation.
I would not mind either of they get Nick Beggs to play bass. The thing is the ticket prices are forbidding me to to attend. I see why though for them being high. The demand is there, so supply is gonna be high as the supply can't meet the demands.
That's the business of the music industry and how promoters can play with the demand for a highly praised and worship band.
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What would you do if you did try and contact someone, but weren't getting a response? What would you do if you couldn't get a hold of the person?
That's what I think happened. They were trying to reconnect with Colin, trying to get him to jam out with them. But, since he wasn't even in contact with them after the split, and they tried but no reply. If time is a factor, you just go on with the jams and hope for the best.
If that were the case, I think Richard would've made it clear that efforts were made to include Colin, but he refused and/or never responded. What Richard says pretty much says they just bypassed Colin completely.
Exactly, if they have tried before this jam to connect with him and there was no response. Why try again?...
Not buying it. Besides being friends, this is a business. That's not how you should conduct business.
Who even said Colin was friends with the rest of the guys. You're assuming he was friends. Music is a business and there are moments when musicians are not friends, they're acquaintances that get along for the sake of the job.
What's being revealed is that more than likely, supposedly, Colin felt like an acquaintance and did not consider the guys friends. So, in turn, he took no initiative to hang out, jam, or connect with the guys after PT stopped.
Even if Colin were to have connected and returned, he would have to learn Stevens bass parts and would then contribute his own parts if he felt like it.
This is something that naturally happened as was stated and the guys felt no need to include Colin. To let it flow naturally, you need to let things come out that way. Its why I see no reason to get upset because Colin isn't there. I would like him to be because his playing style added this laid backness to the bands presentation.
I would not mind either of they get Nick Beggs to play bass. The thing is the ticket prices are forbidding me to to attend. I see why though for them being high. The demand is there, so supply is gonna be high as the supply can't meet the demands.
That's the business of the music industry and how promoters can play with the demand for a highly praised and worship band.
I never said they were friends or that you have to be friends to be in a band together. There's plenty of examples of bands who are not friends and it's all about business. I was simply stating that Barbieri said in the interview that if Colin would have kept in touch with the rest of them, maybe it would have turned out differently and he’d still be in the band. I take that to mean if he was friendlier with the 3 of them, he'd probably still be there - and the fact that he was not friendlier with them, is the reason it's only a 3 piece band now. Barbieri said that, not me. I have a feeling this isn't the whole truth anyway, but that's how I understood what he said.
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Quite sad that Colin Edwin and John Wesley aren't there but psyched nonetheless for this (supposedly one-off) reincarnation. I love Colin's fluid bass playing and chilled out vibe on stage, it's part of the PT magic. As far as John Wesley goes, I thought he was really good in the band. Not the most technical guitar player but the emotion definitely comes through (see his impression of the Akerfeldt guitar solo of 'Arriving Somewhere But Not Here' on the identically titled live release: he misses a few notes but it's oozing with feel). It's also easy to forget/hear that his vocals are all over In Absentia and I believe Deadwing too. His harmony vocals gel so well and he assisted SW a lot with the recording/production of the guitars. Also I recall Wesley said something along the lines of not ever being ‘important’ to the band. Hell, SW let him sing lead vocals live on many songs/parts.
That all said, as much of a shame it is to see these guys not on board, the new tracks are really good I think. I actually was listening to FoaBP and then switched to 'Harridan' and it occurred to me there's so much energy on that track.
At the end of the day, I guess it's SW's baby (PT used to be just him) so he can basically do whatever he wants in that regard..
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Quite sad that Colin Edwin and John Wesley aren't there but psyched nonetheless for this (supposedly one-off) reincarnation. I love Colin's fluid bass playing and chilled out vibe on stage, it's part of the PT magic. As far as John Wesley goes, I thought he was really good in the band. Not the most technical guitar player but the emotion definitely comes through (see his impression of the Akerfeldt guitar solo of 'Arriving Somewhere But Not Here' on the identically titled live release: he misses a few notes but it's oozing with feel). It's also easy to forget/hear that his vocals are all over In Absentia and I believe Deadwing too. His harmony vocals gel so well and he assisted SW a lot with the recording/production of the guitars. Also I recall Wesley said something along the lines of not ever being ‘important’ to the band. Hell, SW let him sing lead vocals live on many songs/parts.
That all said, as much of a shame it is to see these guys not on board, the new tracks are really good I think. I actually was listening to FoaBP and then switched to 'Harridan' and it occurred to me there's so much energy on that track.
At the end of the day, I guess it's SW's baby (PT used to be just him) so he can basically do whatever he wants in that regard..
I don't believe Wesley did any vocals on Deadwing, and only did harmonies on a few songs on In Absentia IIRC, so to say he is all over those albums doesn't seem right. And I agree that the emotion came out when he would play guitar solos at their live shows because his butchering of them always made me want to cry. After what he did to the Dark Matter solo on the Anesthetize concert video, he should have been brought up for crimes against humanity. :P
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Kev, who you dislike more - Wesley or Hasse Froberg? ;) ;D
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Good question :lol
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That's not close. Froberg bugs me at times, but he had plenty of great moments in the past.
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Quite sad that Colin Edwin and John Wesley aren't there but psyched nonetheless for this (supposedly one-off) reincarnation. I love Colin's fluid bass playing and chilled out vibe on stage, it's part of the PT magic. As far as John Wesley goes, I thought he was really good in the band. Not the most technical guitar player but the emotion definitely comes through (see his impression of the Akerfeldt guitar solo of 'Arriving Somewhere But Not Here' on the identically titled live release: he misses a few notes but it's oozing with feel). It's also easy to forget/hear that his vocals are all over In Absentia and I believe Deadwing too. His harmony vocals gel so well and he assisted SW a lot with the recording/production of the guitars. Also I recall Wesley said something along the lines of not ever being ‘important’ to the band. Hell, SW let him sing lead vocals live on many songs/parts.
That all said, as much of a shame it is to see these guys not on board, the new tracks are really good I think. I actually was listening to FoaBP and then switched to 'Harridan' and it occurred to me there's so much energy on that track.
At the end of the day, I guess it's SW's baby (PT used to be just him) so he can basically do whatever he wants in that regard..
I don't believe Wesley did any vocals on Deadwing, and only did harmonies on a few songs on In Absentia IIRC, so to say he is all over those albums doesn't seem right. And I agree that the emotion came out when he would play guitar solos at their live shows because his butchering of them always made me want to cry. After what he did to the Dark Matter solo on the Anesthetize concert video, he should have been brought up for crimes against humanity. :P
Ah my bad, it’s only a few tracks on IA indeed. Care to elaborate on the Dark Matter thing? It’s SW’s solo right? Are you talking about the rotary guitar part that comes before the solo?
Edit: just realized there’s a solo earlier in the song. In my memory it’s quite cool. I’ll listen.
Eh. There’s definitely a few too many badly timed notes there. Not that good indeed.
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Yeah, it's the solo after the first chorus and before the second verse. It's painfully bad.
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I'm not a hardcore PT fan. I discovered them with IA, and really enjoy that record, Deadwing, and Fear of a Blank Planet. Working backwards, I also really enjoy Stupid Dream. I got to see them once on The Incident tour (despite having tickets to two prior gigs I couldn't make) and I'm thankful to my buddy J who is flying in and got us tickets to the upcoming evening with tour. Generally speaking, I love the more metal edge the band had with IA, Deadwing and FoaBP.
So that's my background for context.
I appreciated what SW was trying to do by emphasizing his solo career. It wasn't for me. I liked The Raven Who Refused to Sing a bit, but the rest...pass.
The two new songs are okay. Excited to get the whole new record.
Regarding the tour, I'm not happy about Colin Edwin and John Wesley not being a part of it. I understand John was a touring member, but I felt he really brought a great touch to the band's show and the live recordings I own. And while Colin Edwin may not have been a significant songwriter in PT, his bass playing is on all the records from the band that I love.
Edwin and Wesley may not be "essential" to the PT sound, but as a fan, I'm bummed they aren't going to be a part of this PT record and tour.
It doesn't diminish my anticipation, but it does make me frown. I know it probably won't happen, but it'd be nice if SW and those two guys could just sit down and get it together and have the five of them on the road this fall.
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Yeah, it's the solo after the first chorus and before the second verse. It's painfully bad.
Different strokes for different folks, but listening to that performance doesn't really phase me too much, and I LOVE Dark Matter - one of my favorite tracks from PT. If you wanna talk about terrible guitar solos, then that horrendous abomination that Adrian Belew crapped all over the title track to Deadwing ruins what would have otherwise been a top 10 PT song for me. :facepalm:
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Yeah, it's the solo after the first chorus and before the second verse. It's painfully bad.
Different strokes for different folks, but listening to that performance doesn't really phase me too much, and I LOVE Dark Matter - one of my favorite tracks from PT. If you wanna talk about terrible guitar solos, then that horrendous abomination that Adrian Belew crapped all over the title track to Deadwing ruins what would have otherwise been a top 10 PT song for me. :facepalm:
Did he do the one towards the end? I just thought that was Steven. I like that solo better than the shorter one earlier in the song, which is easily one of the worst PT solos in the catalog for me. :lol
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Yeah, it's the solo after the first chorus and before the second verse. It's painfully bad.
Different strokes for different folks, but listening to that performance doesn't really phase me too much, and I LOVE Dark Matter - one of my favorite tracks from PT. If you wanna talk about terrible guitar solos, then that horrendous abomination that Adrian Belew crapped all over the title track to Deadwing ruins what would have otherwise been a top 10 PT song for me. :facepalm:
I love that Belew solo, as it is in his usual crazy, frantic style, but I get that it is not for everyone.
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New PT is Gavin's drum fest
The whole album is brilliant.
A truly great comeback from the band.
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So jealous! that's amazing you were able to listen so early!
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New PT is Gavin's drum fest
The whole album is brilliant.
A truly great comeback from the band.
Oooooh, very nice! What an early lead on the release date! Hopefully it doesn't get too old for you by the time the rest of us can get to it!
Very happy to hear about Gavin's drumming - he is certainly an inspiration for all drummers, so I'm glad it sounds like he's letting loose on C/C. A shame that this will probably be their last album together, but if it's a good and proper swansong for the band, I'll gladly accept that.
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PT did a fun Q&A, it's about 15 mins long. I like how one of the person asking a question was named Colin and Steven Wilson kinda did a double take it looked like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leuhgq8logQ&ab_channel=PorcupineTree
No question about Colin's involvement on it though.
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PT did a fun Q&A, it's about 15 mins long. I like how one of the person asking a question was named Colin and Steven Wilson kinda did a double take it looked like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leuhgq8logQ&ab_channel=PorcupineTree
No question about Colin's involvement on it though.
Well, it was not live and put together and released, so I suspect if there were any questions about Colin Edwin, they skipped over them and that part didn't make what we saw.
The whole thing was kind of a boring watch. Not surprised to hear them say that Anesthetize will get played on the tour, but Barbieri mentioned something about also playing a song for the first time, and it will be interesting to see which one. I cannot recall which songs from Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream never got played live, but would be cool if it were from one of those.
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Not surprised to hear them say that Anesthetize will get played on the tour
Normally I get annoyed by bands revealing bits of the setlist ahead of time on social media (e.g. Dream Theater with TCOT earlier this year) but I am okay with this :metal
(but seriously if y'all post setlist spoilers on here I will get a bit rowdy)
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PT did a fun Q&A, it's about 15 mins long. I like how one of the person asking a question was named Colin and Steven Wilson kinda did a double take it looked like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leuhgq8logQ&ab_channel=PorcupineTree
No question about Colin's involvement on it though.
Well, it was not live and put together and released, so I suspect if there were any questions about Colin Edwin, they skipped over them and that part didn't make what we saw.
The whole thing was kind of a boring watch. Not surprised to hear them say that Anesthetize will get played on the tour, but Barbieri mentioned something about also playing a song for the first time, and it will be interesting to see which one. I cannot recall which songs from Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream never got played live, but would be cool if it were from one of those.
The Rest Will Flow and How Is Your Life Today? are the only unplayed ones I believe, but I don’t think the former is well liked by the band. Lips of Ashes or Collapse the Light maybe? Or maybe even Synesthesia if they’re feeling wild
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It is interesting that this reunion happened shortly after Steven started regularly playing PT songs as part of his live shows. Assuming he's going to continue doing that going forward (which maybe he isn't considering the stylistic shift of TFB, who knows) I imagine they'd want to prioritize more complex songs that would benefit more from having the full band (minus Collin) perform them, rather than simpler songs like Lazarus or Heartattack In A Layby for example.
I think Arriving Somewhere... is a given.
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It is interesting that this reunion happened shortly after Steven started regularly playing PT songs as part of his live shows. Assuming he's going to continue doing that going forward (which maybe he isn't considering the stylistic shift of TFB, who knows) I imagine they'd want to prioritize more complex songs that would benefit more from having the full band (minus Collin) perform them, rather than simpler songs like Lazarus or Heartattack In A Layby for example.
I think Arriving Somewhere... is a given.
Maybe, but Barbieri is by no means a complex player. He is not really even a player (by his own admission), but more of a sounds and textures guy. And he does an amazing job of it. When you think about it, is a weird dichotomy to have both Barbieri and Harrison in the band considering the former is a very non-technical player while the latter seems to come from the Mike Mangini school of technique first, everything else second.
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It is interesting that this reunion happened shortly after Steven started regularly playing PT songs as part of his live shows. Assuming he's going to continue doing that going forward (which maybe he isn't considering the stylistic shift of TFB, who knows) I imagine they'd want to prioritize more complex songs that would benefit more from having the full band (minus Collin) perform them, rather than simpler songs like Lazarus or Heartattack In A Layby for example.
I think Arriving Somewhere... is a given.
Maybe, but Barbieri is by no means a complex player. He is not really even a player (by his own admission), but more of a sounds and textures guy. And he does an amazing job of it. When you think about it, is a weird dichotomy to have both Barbieri and Harrison in the band considering the former is a very non-technical player while the latter seems to come from the Mike Mangini school of technique first, everything else second.
I had the privilege of talking to him after a drum clinic I attended (that he had done) and he told me his approach actually is musicality first, *then* all the rest (although he is very technical, don't be fooled, but he makes everything work so well), same as Simon Phillips btw as another example. (can't remember when that drum clinic was though, sorry) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM6bDkP37wA as he elaborates on here as well)
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I don’t think Arriving Somewhere is a given. I mean I have no idea…but since the 18 minute Anesthetize is already included, I would actually be skeptical that they would include 2 major epics in the same show. That would literally be over a half hour of the set dedicated to just 2 songs. That might be another day at the office for DT, but I don’t think SW is of that mindset. I’m betting he gives AS a rest.
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I don’t think Arriving Somewhere is a given. I mean I have no idea…but since the 18 minute Anesthetize is already included, I would actually be skeptical that they would include 2 major epics in the same show. That would literally be over a half hour of the set dedicated to just 2 songs. That might be another day at the office for DT, but I don’t think SW is of that mindset. I’m betting he gives AS a rest.
Yeah that would be very surprising if they did. You would guess all the new songs are a guarantee, then with Anesthetize that's almost 70 minutes of the concert. You'll probably get a fair mix of songs from their albums (like on The Incident tour when the second set was just that). If I had to place my bets on what songs they are the most likely to play from Deadwing, I would definitely say Lazarus, Halo or The Start of Something Beautiful feel more 'likely' than Arriving Somewhere - at least if they are playing Anesthetize. If Anesthetize wasn't for every show they could always rotate the two.
I've made my thoughts on Arriving Somewhere fairly clear before though, IMO it's a good (but not great) song that peaks after 6-7 minutes and has a pretty lackluster conclusion IMO. Not a bad song by any means but it definitely pales in the shadow of Anesthetize IMO.
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Keep in mind that Steven Wilson actually played Arriving Somewhere on the To The Bone tour, so that’s quite recent.
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Also consider that live versions of ASBNH exist on both the Arriving Somewhere and Octane Twisted live albums. So if they are thinking of a live release of the new tour, that would be another reason not to include it.
I loved the song when it was new, but Zantera brings up a point. It hasn’t really held up over time the way Anesthetize has. And dare I say it’s almost overplayed at this point?
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Eh, I don't see how Arriving Somewhere But Not Here is overplayed. It was only regularly played on one PT tour (Deadwing tour) and only played on one SW tour. That means it has been played regularly on two tours since its release 16 years ago. If that is overplayed, yikes. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
Besides, I won't be surprised if Anesthetize is not played in full, and they end up doing just the middle section, like they did on the last PT tour.
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Besides, I won't be surprised if Anesthetize is not played in full, and they end up doing just the middle section, like they did on the last PT tour.
That'd be fucking shitty after they publicly announced they're going to play the song.
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Even setting aside my personal bias for Anesthetize over Arriving Somewhere, it just feels like Anesthetize is the ultimate pick because it really showcases the strengths of them the best IMO. Gavin's drumming in that song is some of his best and some of his most classic with the band, and Richard's fingerprints with haunting atmospheric keyboards are all over that song. I also think the 3 different segments to the song are all strong and unique and the song really warrants its length IMO. Arriving Somewhere (while still good) definitely feels more like a song SW could play on a solo show or something and it doesn't really feel as 'iconic' (for lack of a better word).
I do find it a bit weird that they would announce a song they 100% are gonna play on the tour in advance though. Even if Anesthetize is probably a top3/top5 PT song for many fans, the fact it is 17 minutes almost makes it awkward to be guaranteed. :lol
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Keep in mind that Steven Wilson actually played Arriving Somewhere on the To The Bone tour, so that’s quite recent.
I agree with this that it probably will not be played since SW recently played it. Instead I think we'll get Lazarus AND Open Car from Deadwing.
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Besides, I won't be surprised if Anesthetize is not played in full, and they end up doing just the middle section, like they did on the last PT tour.
That'd be fucking shitty after they publicly announced they're going to play the song.
But if it will give fans someone fresh to complain about, meaning the absence of Colin Edwin will fall by the wayside in the complaint department. :P
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Keep in mind that Steven Wilson actually played Arriving Somewhere on the To The Bone tour, so that’s quite recent.
I agree with this that it probably will not be played since SW recently played it. Instead I think we'll get Lazarus AND Open Car from Deadwing.
Live version of Open Car kicks some serious ass with that double bass part added in the middle of the song.
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It is interesting that this reunion happened shortly after Steven started regularly playing PT songs as part of his live shows. Assuming he's going to continue doing that going forward (which maybe he isn't considering the stylistic shift of TFB, who knows) I imagine they'd want to prioritize more complex songs that would benefit more from having the full band (minus Collin) perform them, rather than simpler songs like Lazarus or Heartattack In A Layby for example.
I think Arriving Somewhere... is a given.
Maybe, but Barbieri is by no means a complex player. He is not really even a player (by his own admission), but more of a sounds and textures guy. And he does an amazing job of it. When you think about it, is a weird dichotomy to have both Barbieri and Harrison in the band considering the former is a very non-technical player while the latter seems to come from the Mike Mangini school of technique first, everything else second.
I dunno. I've seen a lot of interviews with Gavin, and even the Q&A recently he talks about following intuition at all times and sometimes doesn't even know what time signature or whatever he's doing unless he has to go back and figure it out. He's technical, but seems just naturally that way, as opposed to MM who is constantly doing math in his head and approaches it from that perspective.
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Even with Anesthetize in the set, I would bet there'll be some other lengthy cuts.
I was at this concert (one of their last shows) and there's The Sky Moves Sideways (Phase One), Time Flies and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here.
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Even with Anesthetize in the set, I would bet there'll be some other lengthy cuts.
I was at this concert (one of their last shows) and there's The Sky Moves Sideways (Phase One), Time Flies and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here.
Those songs are a bit spread out in their discography though so you can sort of cover more ground between those 3, whereas Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize are both on back-to-back albums. I'm not expecting much of pre-Stupid Dream stuff on their tour (maybe a Dark Matter if we're lucky) but The Sky Moves Sideways is pretty damn great IMO and would be a pleasant surprise.
It's probably controversial but I still think Coma Divine is the best live album they put out. And I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize both arguably have better setlists (and I really like Anesthetize) but something about the performance and playing on Coma Divine just sets it apart for me. Only negative for me are the few songs that could have been on it that weren't - Dark Matter being maybe the most glaring one.
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I agree about Coma Divine. I am not a live album guy, but on the rare occasions I am in the mood for live PT, that is the one I reach for. I think Gavin's knack for overplaying live makes the ones from the later era slightly less enticing, for me anyway.
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PT will tour US in 2023 and will headline a resurrected festival.
More info soon.
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It's probably controversial but I still think Coma Divine is the best live album they put out.
Oh no, not controversial to me, I agree with you :tup
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PT has announced that Randy McStine and Nate Navarro have joined their touring line-up.
https://www.facebook.com/PorcupineTreeOfficial/posts/552724156215199
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Randy is AWESOME!! Plus I just checked out that bass player. Holy smokes!
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yeah, Randy is a big Kevin Gilbert fan and actually played in a tribute.
Randy McStine :tup
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Just saw the news about Randy elsewhere. He’s amazing. Talent level in PT raised considerably.
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Nathan Navarro's great too (he played with Devin Townsend on his Empath tours).
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Just saw the news about Randy elsewhere. He’s amazing. Talent level in PT raised considerably.
Yep, both Randy and Nate are great players. Add them in with Gavin and look out..
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I'm not the biggest fan of the whole Steve Wilson thing but I picked up his book because I feel like he'd be someone who communicates really candidly unlike most musician bios. The first thing he does is talk about how The Incident was kind of a lousy album and their Royal Albert Hall show was just going through the motions. Guess I was right about candidness :lol
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I think “lousy” is a strong word…but it was easy to tell right away that there was definitely a creative “spark” from previous albums that was mostly absent on TI.
It does speak to his talent that even when he’s not “feeling it” he can still produce something that is better that most corporate garbage. And it’s not like there aren’t a few gems. I still love the title track and I Drive the Hearse. Time Flies is nice too, but maybe a bit derivative…even for him.
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I think that's just Steven as a person, I don't think he looks at things like "great" or "good" i think he either views things as something good or something not-so-good. I even remember some interview where he took it even further and said something like 'every other album we made seemed to turn out great and the other one not so much' which would mean not only was he lukewarm on Incident but Deadwing and possibly Lightbulb Sun as well.
And he also strikes me as the type of musician who might be hung up on very minor details - so for example we might listen to Deadwing and think "thats a great album" and he might listen to it and hear all the minor things he would have changed or it brings him back to being in the studio and maybe something was bugging him.
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A little bit of PT history here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ6AvMYRIVQ
It popped up in my YT feed.
I totally remember watching this when it aired, in 1997 :) It was so random...just to give you some context, this was a daily TV show, airing in the early afternoon. The host wasn't the best thing, but you had to give him credit - he did try, at the time, to talk about music that wasn't just 100% mainstream and, importantly, had live performances on the show, which wasn't so obvious on Italian afternoon TV ;D The whole show had a bit of a DIY approach, which made it somewhat charming...
Had no clue who Porcupine Tree was, so this literally was my introduction to them. Looking at the date, I believe they had just played their shows in Rome that ended up being recorded for the Coma Divine live record. As it turns out, they had quite a following there before they became generally more known.
Anyway, this is pretty vintage Porcupine Tree and their performance here definitely intrigued the 20-year old me. Especially songs like Signify and Dislocated Day, with their cool drumming and such. Kinda funny to see a young Steven Wilson in this setting...
Some kind soul put time-stamps for the songs in the comments, so it's easier to enjoy this without going through the whole broadcast.
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Just watched a couple of videos of that Nate Navarro chap, and it seems like PT is going to be kind of boring for him.
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Just watched a couple of videos of that Nate Navarro chap, and it seems like PT is going to be kind of boring for him.
He is amazing. I think this is big cred for him like playing with Devin Townsend for a tour. Builds his cred.
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Just watched a couple of videos of that Nate Navarro chap, and it seems like PT is going to be kind of boring for him.
He is amazing. I think this is big cred for him like playing with Devin Townsend for a tour. Builds his cred.
Oh, I've no doubt it's good for him. I'm just not sure he makes a ton of sense for PT. With all due respect to Colin, I'm a big fan, this kind of seems like hiring Terry Bozio to replace Scott Travis.
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Completely get that. Dud you know Terry Bozio played and toured for 1 album with The Knack? Seriously. It's a good album.
https://youtu.be/PxxYC7a68WM
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"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.
-Marc.
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Damn, it's really good, love the In Absentia vibes. That chorus :2metal:. Am quite hyped for this album.
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Felt a bit repetitive for me, but it was good.
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Felt a bit repetitive for me, but it was good.
Same, but it is an edit. Hopefully the full version is better.
I don't have much of the desire to listen to an edit and the full album is coming out really soon, so I don't think I'll be giving this a second listen before then.
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Anyone else getting a “I Might Be Wrong” (Radiohead) vibe from that riff?
https://youtu.be/8uN1Uq5lyv0
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"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.
Same here. Except for the first song that was released, which I listened to once, I am avoiding all new PT until the album is out.
The more reviews and comments I read, though, make me less and less excited. The fact that it seems like most of these songs were written around the jams Wilson and Harrison did make me wary, as Harrison's natural tendency seems to be "hey, let's make it complex and technical," and that doesn't excite me. Granted, Wilson can write a great melody around anything, but I hope this album isn't an excuse for Harrison to show off his crazy technical skills too much.
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"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.
Same here. Except for the first song that was released, which I listened to once, I am avoiding all new PT until the album is out.
The more reviews and comments I read, though, make me less and less excited. The fact that it seems like most of these songs were written around the jams Wilson and Harrison did make me wary, as Harrison's natural tendency seems to be "hey, let's make it complex and technical," and that doesn't excite me. Granted, Wilson can write a great melody around anything, but I hope this album isn't an excuse for Harrison to show off his crazy technical skills too much.
Well, I've listened to the 3 songs and 2 of them he is not all over the place. He is a bit reserved and subtle with his approach. Very tasty honesty.
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"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.
Same here. Except for the first song that was released, which I listened to once, I am avoiding all new PT until the album is out.
The more reviews and comments I read, though, make me less and less excited. The fact that it seems like most of these songs were written around the jams Wilson and Harrison did make me wary, as Harrison's natural tendency seems to be "hey, let's make it complex and technical," and that doesn't excite me. Granted, Wilson can write a great melody around anything, but I hope this album isn't an excuse for Harrison to show off his crazy technical skills too much.
Well, I've listened to the 3 songs and 2 of them he is not all over the place. He is a bit reserved and subtle with his approach. Very tasty honesty.
That is good to hear! :tup :tup
I will freely admit that Gavin Harrison has a bit of the Jordan Rudess factor for me in that he swings back and forth between amazing me and aggravating me with the overplaying. And that is a "me" problem. :lol
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I’m watching Bill Nighy break down his famous roles and I realized this is Steven Wilson in 20 years.
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Great review of the new album:
https://metalwani.com/2022/05/review-porcupine-tree-closure-continuation.html
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
Correct, but it is possible that the reviewer simply didn't see Barbieri's interview where he addressed it.
Positive review, yes, but it feels more like blogger's praise rather than a professional review. He dedicated a paragraph to the second track and failed to even mention the name of the song, and then talked about skipping around. Not a good flow to the review, but it sounds like the album will be a good one, so that is good to hear!
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.
The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.
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Interview with Richard Barbieri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEa38RTC32c
Around the 15-minute mark or so, he directly addresses what happened with Colin and how it came to be just a 3-man unit this time around.
The interview in question is here jammindude
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.
The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.
They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.
The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.
They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?
Yeah, I'm not buying what they're selling. We're not going to call the guy that has been the bass player going on 30 years because SW did it himself during the demo process. We're just going to ignore him and act like he was never in the band.
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
Correct, but it is possible that the reviewer simply didn't see Barbieri's interview where he addressed it.
It's in Steven's book, too (which I concede many will not have listened to/read).
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.
The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.
They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?
Yeah, I'm not buying what they're selling. We're not going to call the guy that has been the bass player going on 30 years because SW did it himself during the demo process. We're just going to ignore him and act like he was never in the band.
I think you're right but it doesn't matter if we're buying what they're selling or not. They've spoken about it, regardless, I was just addressing that point.
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From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."
Simply untrue.
What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.
The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.
They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?
Yeah, I'm not buying what they're selling. We're not going to call the guy that has been the bass player going on 30 years because SW did it himself during the demo process. We're just going to ignore him and act like he was never in the band.
Yeah, I'm definitely sensing they're not telling us anywhere near the full truth here. I mean, us fans aren't stupid. But I'll admit I will still be picking up the album, and will probably go to a show. They probably know that most fans will do the same - so I guess that's why they don't really care it seems..
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For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.
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For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.
Man, prog fans are the worst :lol Everyone gives SW shit for years now because he is moving on through different musical genres and influences, meaning he is actually a "progressive" musician. And everyone is whining for a PT reunion, just like many DT fans are just whining for MP to come back instead of enjoying the interesting progressions resulting from those new circumstances. And when SW says "ok fine I'll do it", people start saying it's just a cash grab ::) Even if that WAS the truth, I couldn't care less. Because the album is very good and I am happy SW and the guys are able to make money with it. These are musicians and what they do is their job and they have to make money from it. Plus, it's not like they just released a PT compilation album and then toured. They wrote over an hour of new music.
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I think you’re listening to different sides and then claiming the two arguments come from the same side.
I was not looking for a PT reunion. Though I would not have minded one IF that is what SW honestly *wanted* to do. But if he *wanted* to continue channeling his inner Bowie, I would prefer he keep doing that.
In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.
Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.
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I think you’re listening to different sides and then claiming the two arguments come from the same side.
I was not looking for a PT reunion. Though I would not have minded one IF that is what SW honestly *wanted* to do. But if he *wanted* to continue channeling his inner Bowie, I would prefer he keep doing that.
In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.
Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.
Can I quote this in my signature?
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For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.
I don't think PT are anywhere near the level that can make a vast amount of money from a new album and touring the venues they are booked to play.
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In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.
Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.
For me it is not like this. Some of the greatest pieces of art are/were made in comission, be it music, film or other forms of art. By that very nature it was created for someone/requested by someone/influenced by someone. Sure, I think it is great that artists make music for themselves as their passion. They should 100% do that as well, any creator needs to I think. And amazing material comes from that. But in the end, if an artist is good at making music for me, I absolutely wish them to do so. If they are good at doing that, offcourse. Offcourse if the artist is absolutely not into doing that, then it likely does not work. But I really doubt that is the case here. There is nothing wrong with pleasing a fanbase, especially in case of an artist like Steven Wilson, who has a steady output of a wide variety of projects.
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I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that. ;) :lol
I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.
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I think you’re listening to different sides and then claiming the two arguments come from the same side.
I was not looking for a PT reunion. Though I would not have minded one IF that is what SW honestly *wanted* to do. But if he *wanted* to continue channeling his inner Bowie, I would prefer he keep doing that.
In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.
Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.
Can I quote this in my signature?
Will it fit? :lol
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For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.
Man, prog fans are the worst :lol Everyone gives SW shit for years now because he is moving on through different musical genres and influences, meaning he is actually a "progressive" musician. And everyone is whining for a PT reunion, just like many DT fans are just whining for MP to come back instead of enjoying the interesting progressions resulting from those new circumstances. And when SW says "ok fine I'll do it", people start saying it's just a cash grab ::) Even if that WAS the truth, I couldn't care less. Because the album is very good and I am happy SW and the guys are able to make money with it. These are musicians and what they do is their job and they have to make money from it. Plus, it's not like they just released a PT compilation album and then toured. They wrote over an hour of new music.
I would have loved a PT reunion more under different circumstances - like legit enthusiasm about the project, including Colin, but this definitely feels like a response to The Future Bites missing with a lot of the fans and I think this was a smart move to put the focus on something else for now and another PT album will be a safer bet than another solo album at this point in time. Personally I just think SW should do whatever he is passionate about even when it's solo albums that I don't end up loving, but I don't really get a strong sense of passion from the way this PT album is being talked about. But hey that's just my five cents. :P
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I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that. ;) :lol
I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.
The fact that Edwin isn't apart of the reunion itself is not what bothers me. It's how they've handled the situation that doesn't sit right with me.
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For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.
Man, prog fans are the worst :lol Everyone gives SW shit for years now because he is moving on through different musical genres and influences, meaning he is actually a "progressive" musician. And everyone is whining for a PT reunion, just like many DT fans are just whining for MP to come back instead of enjoying the interesting progressions resulting from those new circumstances. And when SW says "ok fine I'll do it", people start saying it's just a cash grab ::) Even if that WAS the truth, I couldn't care less. Because the album is very good and I am happy SW and the guys are able to make money with it. These are musicians and what they do is their job and they have to make money from it. Plus, it's not like they just released a PT compilation album and then toured. They wrote over an hour of new music.
I would have loved a PT reunion more under different circumstances - like legit enthusiasm about the project, including Colin, but this definitely feels like a response to The Future Bites missing with a lot of the fans and I think this was a smart move to put the focus on something else for now and another PT album will be a safer bet than another solo album at this point in time. Personally I just think SW should do whatever he is passionate about even when it's solo albums that I don't end up loving, but I don't really get a strong sense of passion from the way this PT album is being talked about. But hey that's just my five cents. :P
It could be he invested a lot of funds in The Future Bites tour, and lost it all when it never happened.
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I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that. ;) :lol
I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.
The fact that Edwin isn't apart of the reunion itself is not what bothers me. It's how they've handled the situation that doesn't sit right with me.
Pretty much the same. I mean, I did order the big earbook of the new album knowing he wasn't there. The PR on the Colin situation has been poor.
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I really couldn't care less about the Colin situation, or how it's been handled.
He's not part of the band anymore, yes he is a great bass player, but the core of PT is on the album.
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About Colin's situation, I think there really was a fallout between him and Steve Wilson or the rest of the band. I think the official explanation isn't really a bad way to handle it, it's just them being classy, not exposing personal issues within the band to everyone.
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I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that. ;) :lol
I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.
The fact that Edwin isn't apart of the reunion itself is not what bothers me. It's how they've handled the situation that doesn't sit right with me.
I think their PR out of it could certainly have been better, as it feels like it would have been better to address it directly rather than mostly ignore (Barbieri's comments in that one interview aside), but I agree with devieira73 in that there is probably more to it than is probably best left unsaid to the general public.
I really couldn't care less about the Colin situation, or how it's been handled.
He's not part of the band anymore, yes he is a great bass player, but the core of PT is on the album.
Not sure I agree. Not to split hairs, but once PT mushroomed into a full time band, as opposed to just Wilson's pet project, the core was Wilson, Barbieri and Edwin. They were the core and the three constants from 1993-2011. As great as Gavin Harrison is, to me, he is the most replaceable of the four. We already know that PT can be consistently great with Edwin and without Harrison (see: The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify, Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun, etc.). It remains to be seen if PT can be consistently great without Edwin.
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I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that. ;) :lol
I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.
The fact that Edwin isn't apart of the reunion itself is not what bothers me. It's how they've handled the situation that doesn't sit right with me.
I think their PR out of it could certainly have been better, as it feels like it would have been better to address it directly rather than mostly ignore (Barbieri's comments in that one interview aside), but I agree with devieira73 in that there is probably more to it than is probably best left unsaid to the general public.
I agree with both of you, but all they had to say was we had some creative differences and decided it was best to part company at this time, or something like that. That would be better than basically pretending he never existed - that's all I'm saying.
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I agree with both of you, but all they had to say was we had some creative differences and decided it was best to part company at this time, or something like that. That would be better than basically pretending he never existed - that's all I'm saying.
I think the issue is the long gap between the announcement of the reunion and the release of the actual album in two weeks. With a lot of time in between the two, fans have to talk about something, but I am sure they are counting on most fans forgetting about it once the album is out and the tour begins, and honestly, they are probably right.
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Only two weeks to go until the album is released.
https://youtu.be/fEfyq7l3pHs
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Only two weeks to go until the album is released.
https://youtu.be/fEfyq7l3pHs
Not surprised that they chose In Absentia and Fear of a Blank Planet as the albums from the back catalogue to heavily feature on the upcoming tour.
Interesting that they did say that one song from one of those albums will be one they have never played before. We know that all of Fear has been played, so it has to be one of the unplayed In Absentia songs like Collapse the Light into Earth or Lips of Ashes. Not sure if Prodigal was ever played back in the day, but that would be awesome for them to bust that one out.
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Only two weeks to go until the album is released.
https://youtu.be/fEfyq7l3pHs
Not surprised that they chose In Absentia and Fear of a Blank Planet as the albums from the back catalogue to heavily feature on the upcoming tour.
Interesting that they did say that one song from one of those albums will be one they have never played before. We know that all of Fear has been played, so it has to be one of the unplayed In Absentia songs like Collapse the Light into Earth or Lips of Ashes. Not sure if Prodigal was ever played back in the day, but that would be awesome for them to bust that one out.
Prodigal is played on the Anesthetize live DVD/set so it's probably not that :P
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Prodigal is played on the Anesthetize live DVD/set so it's probably not that :P
:facepalm: :facepalm: I totally forgot that (and I haven't watched any of the PT concerts in forever).
I think Collapse... is the likely choice, then. Wilson played it as part of that Future Bites studio thing, so it felt like he had rediscovered it or something.
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New review
https://progreport.com/porcupine-tree-closure-continuation-album-review/
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The three songs released thus far sound good to me, especially the latest two. I ordered the slipcase vinyl thing with the bonus tracks.
I would like to see them live, but I am still a bit hesitant to buying tickets for a show near the end of the year due to covid.
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Yeah I heard em once, that's enough pre album, didn't want to OD on them.
I've got the Earbook and Japan Blu-spec CD2 on order, can't wait.
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I plan on listening to Voyage 34 on an endless loop all week leading up to the release of the new record.
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devieria posted this in the Steven Wilson thread, but this is a great and lengthy interview with him touching on many topics:
https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/steven-wilson-on-the-return-of-porcupine-tree/?fbclid=IwAR3NdjWKI5PwFrngquyD359fqud2anzLho0LWo4xgfGT9-ZPqRhWI7z0sNk&fs=e&s=cl
He does address Colin's absence as well.
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Thanks, I forgot to also post here.
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I feel like blaming it on Colin is a bit of a cheap shot because with people drifting apart it's always a two way street. He might not have kept in touch but by the sound of it they didn't really either. Saying "he never wrote to ask about new music" is all fine but it doesn't really sound like SW made an effort to reach out and ask him how he's doing or anything either. People do drift apart and I know from personal experiences there's people you consider friends and next thing you know there's been years since you talked to them, it just happens.
Ultimately Colin not being on the album itself is not a big deal but it feels like the way they have talked about it has sort of blown it out of proportion. A simple reaching out to him and either he accepts or declines but if it's the latter you can at least say "We got in touch with him but he's in a different place now than back then and we couldn't make it work". Even if SW plays a lot for the album they would still need a bass player for the shows. :P
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I feel like blaming it on Colin is a bit of a cheap shot because with people drifting apart it's always a two way street. He might not have kept in touch but by the sound of it they didn't really either. Saying "he never wrote to ask about new music" is all fine but it doesn't really sound like SW made an effort to reach out and ask him how he's doing or anything either. People do drift apart and I know from personal experiences there's people you consider friends and next thing you know there's been years since you talked to them, it just happens.
Ultimately Colin not being on the album itself is not a big deal but it feels like the way they have talked about it has sort of blown it out of proportion. A simple reaching out to him and either he accepts or declines but if it's the latter you can at least say "We got in touch with him but he's in a different place now than back then and we couldn't make it work". Even if SW plays a lot for the album they would still need a bass player for the shows. :P
I would say that the fans and media are the ones blowing it out of proportion. If they say "no comment" how will everybody react?
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I feel like blaming it on Colin is a bit of a cheap shot because with people drifting apart it's always a two way street. He might not have kept in touch but by the sound of it they didn't really either. Saying "he never wrote to ask about new music" is all fine but it doesn't really sound like SW made an effort to reach out and ask him how he's doing or anything either. People do drift apart and I know from personal experiences there's people you consider friends and next thing you know there's been years since you talked to them, it just happens.
Ultimately Colin not being on the album itself is not a big deal but it feels like the way they have talked about it has sort of blown it out of proportion. A simple reaching out to him and either he accepts or declines but if it's the latter you can at least say "We got in touch with him but he's in a different place now than back then and we couldn't make it work". Even if SW plays a lot for the album they would still need a bass player for the shows. :P
I would say that the fans and media are the ones blowing it out of proportion. If they say "no comment" how will everybody react?
Yeah that's fair. No matter what it will be the elephant in the room, the fact they were 4 and now 3 of them are back together and the 4th one is just gone. :lol
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Yup yup! :lol
I am interested in seeing them with this new bassist and Randy McStine as the second guitarist. I love his music and have followed him for a decade now.
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I plan on listening to Voyage 34 on an endless loop all week leading up to the release of the new record.
I love Voyage 34, but that seems excessive lol
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I plan on listening to Voyage 34 on an endless loop all week leading up to the release of the new record.
I love Voyage 34, but that seems excessive lol
Especially if it's the COMPLETE Voyage with all four phases. :lol
-Marc.
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I plan on listening to Voyage 34 on an endless loop all week leading up to the release of the new record.
I love Voyage 34, but that seems excessive lol
Especially if it's the COMPLETE Voyage with all four phases. :lol
-Marc.
That's the only version I listen to. I hit it maybe once a year, maybe 18 months.
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I would say that the fans and media are the ones blowing it out of proportion. If they say "no comment" how will everybody react?
While that is true, I don't think it helped that they announced the comeback album and tour and talked about the band like Colin never existed as a part of it. Had they gotten ahead of it and said right away what they are saying now, the questions wouldn't have persisted. Even in that posted interview today, Wilson talks about how he, Gavin and Richard were always the creative core of the band, which is a neat trick considering Harrison hasn't always been a part of the band. Wilson is often brutally honest to a fault and a bit too direct with his words, but I think the "We will miss Colin, who was always a key part of the band, but this is who we are now" sentiment would have been a better way to go than "eh, he was never part of the creative core anyway."
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Last song to be released before the album drops in a week, Rats Return
https://youtu.be/_8yjtkTitsA
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and it's great IMHO, this damn well will be one of their best I'm sure
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Gavin sounds fantastic on that. What a cool groove.
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Didn't listen to the last song and I'll skip this one as well so enough of the album is fresh to me when it's released.
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Really liked the new song, maybe better than the other releases. This album should be hella good.
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I would say that the fans and media are the ones blowing it out of proportion. If they say "no comment" how will everybody react?
While that is true, I don't think it helped that they announced the comeback album and tour and talked about the band like Colin never existed as a part of it. Had they gotten ahead of it and said right away what they are saying now, the questions wouldn't have persisted. Even in that posted interview today, Wilson talks about how he, Gavin and Richard were always the creative core of the band, which is a neat trick considering Harrison hasn't always been a part of the band. Wilson is often brutally honest to a fault and a bit too direct with his words, but I think the "We will miss Colin, who was always a key part of the band, but this is who we are now" sentiment would have been a better way to go than "eh, he was never part of the creative core anyway."
I don't think anyone should be shocked at a response from Steven Wilson. :lol He's that type of person that says what's on his mind, even though maybe he shouldn't.
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I only listened to Harridan once and that was on the day it was released, and haven't listened to a second of any of the other tracks. Really looking forward to the album given the positive comments here.
I've also got tickets to see them at Wembley Arena later this year although I've since split up with my gig-going partner in crime so not sure if I'll go or not. Be really weird seeing a Steven Wilson related show without her.
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I don't think anyone should be shocked at a response from Steven Wilson. :lol He's that type of person that says what's on his mind, even though maybe he shouldn't.
True that. I just wish one interviewer would ask him the hot take he gave during The Future Bites promo about (slight paraphrasing) how the electric guitar was dead as a musical force.
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He'd have to answer. He can't help himself.
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True, and to be honest, his bluntness is why I always enjoy his interviews, plus he is a fascinating guy to listen to talk about music, but there is no doubt that he talks out of both sides of his mouth at times.
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He is amusing to listen to for those reasons, that he is very blunt and 'honest' but also he kinda flip flops a lot with how he feels about things. I remember him shitting on bands like Flower Kings for being "the death of prog rock" and "not offering anything new to the genre" and then just a year or two later he made The Raven That Refused to Sing - which, whether you like or dislike, was clearly a 70s homage and wasn't trying to do anything new as much as it was just honoring that time period of prog rock. He's talked similarly about PT in interviews saying the band was dead and wouldn't come back yet here we are.
I think he's also realized by now that him saying slightly controversial things will help with gathering attention for his current project.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
Yeah I get the feeling SW isn't your normal guy who has 'friends' in the traditional sense. I always got the feeling that he viewed the other musicians more as tools to achieve his vision and tools could also be replaced if he felt the need to. I think most other 'normal' people would have at least reached out to Colin because when you spend 20 years together in a band, normally you form some kind of bond over all the experiences. I kinda disagree on his take that "Me/Richard/Gavin were always the core of the band" because Colin's presence on bass was really felt in their music imo and an album like In Absentia has a lot of Colin moments that really stand out (.3 and Strip the Soul for example). I think if any of the members stand out as the least 'needed' one I would say Gavin because PT were making fantastic music before Gavin joined and I don't mean that as a knock on him (because I love what he brought) but you already had SW/Gavin/Colin providing the PT sound and Gavin just kinda slipped in like the cherry on top.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
I beg to differ. He is Porcupine Tree. It started out as only him. He writes everything, over time he even played bass on songs instead of Colin. It's always been about him.
Barbieri was always there because he brought something that added to Steven's music just like Holzman. Brought something to Steven's music.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
I beg to differ. He is Porcupine Tree. It started out as only him. He writes everything, over time he even played bass on songs instead of Colin. It's always been about him.
Barbieri was always there because he brought something that added to Steven's music just like Holzman. Brought something to Steven's music.
Well, yes and no. Because let’s face it, if PT IS SW, then there is no reason to break off and have a solo career. The fact is, that while it may have started as Stevens solo project, he eventually found himself in a band situation where he felt stifled because he wanted to try things that the other band members (Richard specifically IIRC) didn’t want to do. So while Steven was a primary band leader, there was a “group think” dynamic to the band by the time it got to the final lineup.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
I beg to differ. He is Porcupine Tree. It started out as only him. He writes everything, over time he even played bass on songs instead of Colin. It's always been about him.
Barbieri was always there because he brought something that added to Steven's music just like Holzman. Brought something to Steven's music.
Well, yes and no. Because let’s face it, if PT IS SW, then there is no reason to break off and have a solo career. The fact is, that while it may have started as Stevens solo project, he eventually found himself in a band situation where he felt stifled because he wanted to try things that the other band members (Richard specifically IIRC) didn’t want to do. So while Steven was a primary band leader, there was a “group think” dynamic to the band by the time it got to the final lineup.
This and also you could make the point that the band wasn't really that great before the others joined. I mean I like Up the Downstair and On the Sunday of Life has a couple of good songs but The Sky Moves Sideways forward really sounds like a band taking huge steps and I think the others really helped in forming their sound.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
I beg to differ. He is Porcupine Tree. It started out as only him. He writes everything, over time he even played bass on songs instead of Colin. It's always been about him.
Barbieri was always there because he brought something that added to Steven's music just like Holzman. Brought something to Steven's music.
Well, yes and no. Because let’s face it, if PT IS SW, then there is no reason to break off and have a solo career. The fact is, that while it may have started as Stevens solo project, he eventually found himself in a band situation where he felt stifled because he wanted to try things that the other band members (Richard specifically IIRC) didn’t want to do. So while Steven was a primary band leader, there was a “group think” dynamic to the band by the time it got to the final lineup.
This and also you could make the point that the band wasn't really that great before the others joined. I mean I like Up the Downstair and On the Sunday of Life has a couple of good songs but The Sky Moves Sideways forward really sounds like a band taking huge steps and I think the others really helped in forming their sound.
I agree with this. And for me, once Gavin joined they really took it to the next level.
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All Stevens decisions though. He wanted a heavier sound. He wanted a more progressive drummer. Steven said it was a band but he made all the decisions. He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
He went solo to do styles he didn't invision that the band could pull off.
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All Stevens decisions though. He wanted a heavier sound. He wanted a more progressive drummer. Steven said it was a band but he made all the decisions. He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
He went solo to do styles he didn't invision that the band could pull off.
He's said a hundred times he went solo because his 'vision' for new music didn't align with the others (specifically saying others hated jazz) so if PT was truly HIS band and his alone then he would have just fired whoever wasn't on board and went ahead? :P Especially since PT was an established name at that point and he was sort of starting from scratch with the solo stuff.
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Yes. Because he then gets his name out there more. Name brand. He now makes the same decisions but with his name is in the forefront instead of the name of the band he founded and was the captain.
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He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
That's the reason he gave, and then he goes on to give the real reason, which is that he doesn't vibe with Colin enough because Colin didn't bother to reach out first. It's the classic SW flip flopping we all love and exasperatedly sigh at :biggrin:
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He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
That's the reason he gave, and then he goes on to give the real reason, which is that he doesn't vibe with Colin enough because Colin didn't bother to reach out first. It's the classic SW flip flopping we all love and exasperatedly sigh at :biggrin:
I also read some interview where the answer was "you couldn't jam with more than 3 musicians that's too many in the room" and I was like ?!?!?!?! ??? ??? ???
But yeah it's kinda classic SW. I'm sure next week in another interview there's another answer to the question.
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He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
That's the reason he gave, and then he goes on to give the real reason, which is that he doesn't vibe with Colin enough because Colin didn't bother to reach out first. It's the classic SW flip flopping we all love and exasperatedly sigh at :biggrin:
I'm talking about the 2000 albums. Steven plays base on some of the songs like Ariving Somewhere. Not his recent admission that he doesn't vibe with Colin.
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Trying to rationalize leaving Colin out as just something that naturally came out of the first jams, while giving the real reason at the same time, is shitty no matter how much you care about the guy. Steven Wilson isn't Porcupine Tree, it is - or it should be - a band, and being in Porcupine Tree shouldn't be determined by whether you reached out first to keep in touch with Steven Wilson when he went off to have a solo career and said a bunch of things about how he didn't need that kind of band anymore. Such situations pretty much demand a courtesy text, and if the guy is that cut off he might have said no anyway. If I were the others I wouldn't passively go along with it but what do I know :yeahright It's probably easier to split the money in three and just pay a guy to play the tour.
I beg to differ. He is Porcupine Tree. It started out as only him. He writes everything, over time he even played bass on songs instead of Colin. It's always been about him.
Barbieri was always there because he brought something that added to Steven's music just like Holzman. Brought something to Steven's music.
Well, yes and no. Because let’s face it, if PT IS SW, then there is no reason to break off and have a solo career. The fact is, that while it may have started as Stevens solo project, he eventually found himself in a band situation where he felt stifled because he wanted to try things that the other band members (Richard specifically IIRC) didn’t want to do. So while Steven was a primary band leader, there was a “group think” dynamic to the band by the time it got to the final lineup.
I think Wilson's comments back in the day were that PT's sound had kind of been established, so he felt like there were expectations of what the band was supposed to sound like, and I am guessing he felt that fans in general would far more forgiving and accepting of an album like Grace for Drowning as a SW solo album rather than as the next PT record. Granted, Wilson is a guy who has no problem bouncing all of the place with his sound and style, but I am sure he calculated that it was a far better move to put PT on the backburner and go solo than to risk annoying fans with a drastic change in style under the PT name. He saved his "I will annoy the fans with a sudden change" moment for The Future Bites. :lol :lol
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He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
That's the reason he gave, and then he goes on to give the real reason, which is that he doesn't vibe with Colin enough because Colin didn't bother to reach out first. It's the classic SW flip flopping we all love and exasperatedly sigh at :biggrin:
But yeah it's kinda classic SW. I'm sure next week in another interview there's another answer to the question.
SW in a nutshell.
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I just realized I placed orders from multiple outlets. LOL.
Basically I got:
-Vinyl Box
-CD/BR box
-Gold, Silver, Black vinyl (missed on the white and I'm not a fan of clear ones).
-Japanese Blu Spec (first time trying this CD format)
-CD from Burning Shed, just trying to see if I can score one of the 500 signed prints they are randomly placing in orders.
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New review
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/porcupine-tree-closure-continuation/
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He'll, he played bass on songs knowing Colin's style wasn't what he invisioned for the song.
That's the reason he gave, and then he goes on to give the real reason, which is that he doesn't vibe with Colin enough because Colin didn't bother to reach out first. It's the classic SW flip flopping we all love and exasperatedly sigh at :biggrin:
I also read some interview where the answer was "you couldn't jam with more than 3 musicians that's too many in the room" and I was like ?!?!?!?! ??? ??? ???
But yeah it's kinda classic SW. I'm sure next week in another interview there's another answer to the question.
Did he really say that? And as an excuse as to why Colin is no longer in the band???
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There is yet another reason for not having included Colin, given this time by Gavin:
"The most clichéd thing I could say is musical differences, but that probably is at the very core of it. Musically, I felt like Colin Edwin was usually pulling us in a different direction."
That's probably the closest to the truth, imo.
(https://www.innerviews.org/inner/porcupine-tree)
Personally I miss Colin's touch on all the new songs I've heard so far. SW playing bass on the new record is a step backward.
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There is yet another reason for not having included Colin, given this time by Gavin:
"The most clichéd thing I could say is musical differences, but that probably is at the very core of it. Musically, I felt like Colin Edwin was usually pulling us in a different direction."
That's probably the closest to the truth, imo.
(https://www.innerviews.org/inner/porcupine-tree)
Personally I miss Colin's touch on all the new songs I've heard so far. SW playing bass on the new record is a step backward.
I have much more respect for that reasoning than only 3 musicians fit in the room, WTH
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There is yet another reason for not having included Colin, given this time by Gavin:
"The most clichéd thing I could say is musical differences, but that probably is at the very core of it. Musically, I felt like Colin Edwin was usually pulling us in a different direction."
That's probably the closest to the truth, imo.
(https://www.innerviews.org/inner/porcupine-tree)
Personally I miss Colin's touch on all the new songs I've heard so far. SW playing bass on the new record is a step backward.
Does anyone else feel like that is code for, "Colin wanted to groove, and I just wanted to play as much complicated stuff as possible?"
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Sounds right. Steven wanted to bring a 3rd person into the bedroom. :lol
He is the wrong guy to explain anything because he is self centered.
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The fact all 3 of them have given different answers (and SW himself has given multiple different answers) kinda add some amusement to the situation though. I would not be surprised if the next reason given for Colin being excluded was "We just couldn't have someone with a hat on stage" :lol
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The more they talk about why Edwin is no longer in the band, the more I get it, and I don't think they really are giving different answers at this point that are that different so much as they all have slightly different perspectives.
Anyway, that interview posted by Hubert is great. A long read, but a lot of good stuff in there by all three.
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Anyone's order ship yet? I haven't received any notification from Laser's Edge yet. Curious if any of the other retailers shipped it out.
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Anyone's order ship yet? I haven't received any notification from Laser's Edge yet. Curious if any of the other retailers shipped it out.
I've been curious about this as well. I haven't received any notification emails from Laser's Edge either, and my order status hasn't changed either. I'm thinking it won't arrive this week, let alone ship this week.
-Marc.
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No I am collecting my 2CD/BR version from a local brick and mortar store in Sydney.
Hoping they'll have stock tomorrow on release day.
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My friend (we live in the US) said his pre-order of the CD just shipped.
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Times really have changed, as I will be content with buying the new album on iTunes Friday morning. I just don't buy any physical CDs anymore.
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Times really have changed, as I will be content with buying the new album on iTunes Friday morning. I just don't buy any physical CDs anymore.
LOL I did the same, pre-ordered it the other day on iTunes. It already automatically loaded the first three singles onto my devices (I guess you can buy the singles separately once they're released). I haven't listened to them though - waiting until Friday to get the full album experience.
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Times really have changed, as I will be content with buying the new album on iTunes Friday morning. I just don't buy any physical CDs anymore.
LOL I did the same, pre-ordered it the other day on iTunes. It already automatically loaded the first three singles onto my devices (I guess you can buy the singles separately once they're released). I haven't listened to them though - waiting until Friday to get the full album experience.
That's the advantage of digital purchasing. I can buy it and have it on my phone to listen to in the car on the way to work Friday and then on the buds that day if I so choose. I used to take the "I want my first listen to be on the good stereo" attitude, but not as much lately. First listens of this kind of music rarely win me over from head to toe, so I am fine with the first good stereo listen not being the first actual listen anymore.
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Listening to Rats Return, now that is the sound I would define as Porcupine Tree. Weird, interesting video to go along with it too. Regardless of no Colin, I think it's going to be a great album. Wish I could see a live show, but I will be waiting for a live video to surface, hopefully.
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SW mentioned is a promo interview that every show will have the audio recorded and a couple will be filmed.
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Depending on the set list and what older songs they play and how good the new songs are, a possible live release from the upcoming tour has the potential to be their best one yet. It is already addition by subtraction by not bringing John Wesley back into the live fold (thanks goodness!!).
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I emailed Laser's Edge, and they replied back hadn't received the stock for the 2CD/BR edition yet but expect to get it soon.
My friend (we live in the US) said his pre-order of the CD just shipped.
It looks like the regular CD edition has no issues with delivery.
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It's already Friday in Australia and I am listening via YT music and it sounds great.
Even though I don't like the sound quality of streaming, this does sound quite dynamic.
Copied from another forum, it seems the DR is pretty good for this album
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Analyzed: Porcupine Tree / Closure / Continuation
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 0.00 dB -13.91 dB 8:08 01-Harridan
DR13 -0.09 dB -16.39 dB 4:43 02-Of The New Day
DR12 -0.07 dB -15.06 dB 5:40 03-Rats Return
DR12 -0.03 dB -16.06 dB 8:22 04-Dignity
DR12 -0.02 dB -15.84 dB 7:03 05-Herd Culling
DR12 -0.05 dB -14.79 dB 4:27 06-Walk The Plank
DR12 0.00 dB -15.90 dB 9:39 07-Chimera's Wreck
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Number of tracks: 7
Official DR value: DR12
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Closure / Continuation is undeniably a Porcupine Tree album.
A couple listens in and I can definitely hear the through-line of PT's evolution from IA-DW-FOABP-TI up to C/C, but I also hear some of Steven's solo work in the writing as well. Nothing has really stood out for me quite yet except the opener "Harridan", which funnily enough opens with a driving baseline that reminds us that Colin isn't here. A bit bold to open the album with a bass riff played by SW, it's quite the statement.
Maybe I'll share more thoughts as I get to know these songs a bit more over the weekend but first impressions are very positive. If they don't do another album ever again, this is a better swan song for PT than The Incident was over 10 years ago.
-Marc.
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Really excited to listen to the record tomorrow. I received my notification that it has shipped from Amazon, so hopefully, it'll arrive early. If not, maybe I'll have an autorip available on Amazon.
I am hopeful for C/C. I really disliked The Incident, after really enjoying IA-Deadwing-FOABP. The snippets I've heard so far remind me of that era. Not that I expect SW to just go full-on retro, because I don't. But I am hoping that he realizes PT has a "sound" that must be present, and so far, from the brief snippets I have treated myself to, it's in the ballpark.
Looking forward to the tour. I saw PT do a one-off in San Francisco with Karnivool opening. It was an amazing night. I had never heard of Karnivool and excitedly asked the people in front of me at The Warfield who they were. Ran out the next day to buy Sound Awake and Themata and they have been a staple band for me ever since. And obviously, PT didn't disappoint. Hoping this show at the Masonic in San Fran is even better.
Fingers crossed for everything. :metal
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I received my notification that it has shipped from Amazon, so hopefully, it'll arrive early.
Was this for the single CD version?
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I received my notification that it has shipped from Amazon, so hopefully, it'll arrive early.
Was this for the single CD version?
Yes. I wanted the 2 CD, but the price difference was huge. I don't care about having instrumental tracks, so I couldn't see spending like 30 more bucks for two or three extra songs.
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It's not just an extra CD with 3 extra songs, it's a Blu-Ray with surround sound, high resolution mixes and a big art book to look at.
For me it's the complete experience and worth the extra $65AU more than the normal CD version.
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Yeah the high res Blu-ray audio is what I'm most drawn to. It's also got a Dolby Atmos mix though I don't have the proper equipment to appreciate that mix, the rest will be sweet to hear.
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Based on the reviews, those three bonus songs should not have been bonus songs. It is one of the reasons I went for the vinyl slipcase, the only vinyl that has those.
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Based on the reviews, those three bonus songs should not have been bonus songs. It is one of the reasons I went for the vinyl slipcase, the only vinyl that has those.
I hope the bonus songs are on the streaming version of the album. It would suck if they don't.
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Based on the reviews, those three bonus songs should not have been bonus songs. It is one of the reasons I went for the vinyl slipcase, the only vinyl that has those.
I hope the bonus songs are on the streaming version of the album. It would suck if they don't.
They're on the version I bought on iTunes. It had 10 songs for $9.99. Supposedly the album proper only has 7 songs.
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re: the limited edition
Didn't mean to offend anyone who want that version. I just meant for ME, the big set isn't worth the extra money. But obviously, if it is for you, I hope you get it and it arrives quickly.
Kram - thanks. I'll check that out. I'd like all the songs.
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Closure / Continuation is undeniably a Porcupine Tree album.
A couple listens in and I can definitely hear the through-line of PT's evolution from IA-DW-FOABP-TI up to C/C, but I also hear some of Steven's solo work in the writing as well. Nothing has really stood out for me quite yet except the opener "Harridan", which funnily enough opens with a driving baseline that reminds us that Colin isn't here. A bit bold to open the album with a bass riff played by SW, it's quite the statement.
Maybe I'll share more thoughts as I get to know these songs a bit more over the weekend but first impressions are very positive. If they don't do another album ever again, this is a better swan song for PT than The Incident was over 10 years ago.
If this an improvement over The Incident, this new one will be a major winner as the Incident was pretty damn good. And I recall fan reaction to it was pretty positive overall, but of course once the band started saying years later that they didn't think it was that good, negative nancies came out of the woodwork. ;) No, it's as great as many of their other records, but it is still really good. Tons of very good/great songs on that one.
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Closure / Continuation is undeniably a Porcupine Tree album.
A couple listens in and I can definitely hear the through-line of PT's evolution from IA-DW-FOABP-TI up to C/C, but I also hear some of Steven's solo work in the writing as well. Nothing has really stood out for me quite yet except the opener "Harridan", which funnily enough opens with a driving baseline that reminds us that Colin isn't here. A bit bold to open the album with a bass riff played by SW, it's quite the statement.
Maybe I'll share more thoughts as I get to know these songs a bit more over the weekend but first impressions are very positive. If they don't do another album ever again, this is a better swan song for PT than The Incident was over 10 years ago.
If this an improvement over The Incident, this new one will be a major winner as the Incident was pretty damn good. And I recall fan reaction to it was pretty positive overall, but of course once the band started saying years later that they didn't think it was that good, negative nancies came out of the woodwork. ;) No, it's as great as many of their other records, but it is still really good. Tons of very good/great songs on that one.
Dunno if I would call myself a "negative nancy" but I know for me personally, TI never hit home like the previous 3 did. And I tried to like it, but after a few spins, I didn't try to force myself to like it. Will have to give it a spin - it's probably been at least a decade since I last heard any of it at all.
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I’m with Scotty. I could tell from day one that, while it was still good, it didn’t pack the punch of the previous albums. (But for me, I’d take it back more than 3….more like 6 or 7)
Even Time Flies. I did enjoy it a lot. But it only took a couple of spins for me to think “this is a bit derivative…even for Steven.” He tends to walk the razor of merging “homage to the greats” and “SW personal originality”. But Time Flies felt very much less than original. There are still brilliant moments to be had. The title track is worth the price of admission alone and I Drive the Hearse belongs solidly on any top 20. But the rest just sounds like a lot of unfinished ideas without the umph behind it.
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But the rest just sounds like a lot of unfinished ideas without the umph behind it.
And that's more or less what it was, as Steven says in his book.
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About to go for my first spin and I wouldn't say I have a negative mindset going in but I don't expect wonders from it. I think at best this will be a top25 album of the year for me but I'm already at 60 or 70 albums and I would say at least 50 of those have been pretty good. For PT to get involved with the AOTY contenders at this point they would almost need to put out one of their best albums, and I don't expect that. But I'm still curious to give this some listens. :)
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Played the main album 4/5 times today, bloody brilliant, as good as anything they've done in the past.
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Based on the reviews, those three bonus songs should not have been bonus songs. It is one of the reasons I went for the vinyl slipcase, the only vinyl that has those.
I hope the bonus songs are on the streaming version of the album. It would suck if they don't.
They are (10 songs total if everything is included).
re: the limited edition
Didn't mean to offend anyone who want that version. I just meant for ME, the big set isn't worth the extra money. But obviously, if it is for you, I hope you get it and it arrives quickly.
Kram - thanks. I'll check that out. I'd like all the songs.
No worries, I don't think you offended anyone. It is a steep price difference and seems to be mainly based around the 5.1 mix.
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Dignity is gorgeous!
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Dignity is gorgeous!
Agreed. That guitar main lick could have been by Alex Lifeson in my opinion. Sounds a lot like him.
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First impression of the new ablum is generally good. I'm going to need to listen to it many more times before forming a solid opinion.
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Dunno if I would call myself a "negative nancy" but I know for me personally, TI never hit home like the previous 3 did. And I tried to like it, but after a few spins, I didn't try to force myself to like it. Will have to give it a spin - it's probably been at least a decade since I last heard any of it at all.
Okay, but given how great In Absentia, Deadwing and Fear... all are, I think it is fair to say that an album can be not as great as those three and still be damn good. That is how I view The Incident. Not every album has to be a home run. Sometimes, you just hit a double or a triple.
I’m with Scotty. I could tell from day one that, while it was still good, it didn’t pack the punch of the previous albums. (But for me, I’d take it back more than 3….more like 6 or 7)
Even Time Flies. I did enjoy it a lot. But it only took a couple of spins for me to think “this is a bit derivative…even for Steven.” He tends to walk the razor of merging “homage to the greats” and “SW personal originality”. But Time Flies felt very much less than original. There are still brilliant moments to be had. The title track is worth the price of admission alone and I Drive the Hearse belongs solidly on any top 20. But the rest just sounds like a lot of unfinished ideas without the umph behind it.
Time Flies is an interesting one for me in that it is clearly derivative of Floyd, yet despite pretty much using the acoustic guitar lead from Dogs and the bass lead from Time leading into the middle section, it really doesn't sound like either of those songs. I don't quite put the song on the top tier level from that record, as I think the best songs are the title track, I Drive the Hearse and Bonnie the Cat, but it would be in the next grouping. Flicker is also a favorite, although I would agree that hearing that one fleshed out a little more could have made it that much better. I get it if some feel like ditties like Great Expectations and Kneel and Disconnect are unfinished ideas, but I like them as great little snapshots that come in bite sizes within the flow and context of the suite.
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Enjoyed it on first spin, strong album :metal
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Okay, I have to ask: what is that subtitle, and what does it mean (bearing in mind I am not a Steven Wilson fan, and so know little if anything about Porcupine Tree).
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Okay, I have to ask: what is that subtitle, and what does it mean (bearing in mind I am not a Steven Wilson fan, and so know little if anything about Porcupine Tree).
Subtitle? Of the thread? "Glarung Is A Lightnulb"?
I assume it's a play on the lyrics "The sun is a lightbulb" grom the Porcupine Tree song "Lightbulb Sun", the title track to their 6th studio album from 2000.
-Marc.
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Okay, I have to ask: what is that subtitle, and what does it mean (bearing in mind I am not a Steven Wilson fan, and so know little if anything about Porcupine Tree).
P/T? C/C?
It's the band and name of the album.
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Okay, I have to ask: what is that subtitle, and what does it mean (bearing in mind I am not a Steven Wilson fan, and so know little if anything about Porcupine Tree).
Subtitle? Of the thread? "Glarung Is A Lightnulb"?
I assume it's a play on the lyrics "The sun is a lightbulb" grom the Porcupine Tree song "Lightbulb Sun", the title track to their 6th studio album from 2000.
-Marc.
I've been wondering about this too. Yes, it's because of the song Lightbulb Sun, but what does Glarung mean? English is not my first language, so maybe I just don't get it...
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Well, I'm a native English speaker and I've never got it, either :lol
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Well, I'm a native English speaker and I've never got it, either :lol
Glarung was/is a former user here, IIRC. I like the album, consistently nice, precise, musical (like every Gavin Harrison era PT album), great production, what more could we want.
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Well, I'm a native English speaker and I've never got it, either :lol
Glarung was/is a former user here, IIRC.
Could be onto something there although the username appears to be 'glaurung'.
Just finished my first listen. Bit underwhelmed but then I was never a big PT fan. Steven solo was much more interesting. Be interesting to see if it grows, though.
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Well maybe it's time to change the thread name :lol
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Yeah, looks like glaurung hasn't posted in four years. And maybe Nick just couldn't spell when he made the thread a decade ago? :lol
But yes, now that there's an actual new album out today, the thread title should be updated.
-Marc.
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The name stays
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The name stays
:lol :rollin :lol
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The name stays
:lol :rollin :lol
:lol :rollin
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:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
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That's hilarious lol
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Was that a bat signal or perfect timing? :lol
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The name stays
:omg:
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The name stays
(https://c.tenor.com/cH9gfgKqp-cAAAAC/umm-wait.gif)
...fair enough.
-Marc.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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While not as brilliant as IA or FOABP, it' still a lot more memorable than The Incident. Dignity is awesome, and the full version of Herd culling rips :metal
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Looks like all digital services are listing the 10 songs as part of the album with no indication the last three are bonus tracks. Amazon, YouTube Music, Spotify and Itunes all show the 10 tracks as part of the regular album. I guess only the regular CD at this point has 7 tracks.
The name stays
Talk about legendary reply and timing.
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the full version of Herd culling rips :metal
Yeah, a hell of a lot better than the single version. With the single edit it felt like I was being hit over the head with the repetitive choruses - here they're a lot more spaced out and satisfying.
I'm pretty sure the "true event" the song is based on is that War Of The Worlds radio scare, with the lyrics sounding a lot like an alien invasion and the "liar" chorus.
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Just bought the three bonus tracks digitally on Amazon while I wait for the CD with the other seven to arrive. Diggin' Population Three's groove so far. :metal
Wow, if the bonus cuts are any indication of the full record. I am going to love this. Killer.
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I never paid too much attention to the song titles until now, but "Population Three" feels like a jab at Colin not being in the band anymore, while also being a pun on "PT". It's clever and awful at the same time.
-Marc.
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Qobuz's default listing contains all ten tracks, too, in case anyone uses it.
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I'm loving the album. The bonus tracks are as good as the rest and add even more diversity on the album. And it was really nice to let Gavin and Richard have more input on this album, it's really noticeable and refreshing.
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Have to say, aurally this album is a real delight. Nothing less than expected, of course... just had to say.
The music's growing on me.
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The name stays
I was legit getting ready to change the thread name.
And now I am legit not going to change the thread name.
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FWIW, I have listened to the album once, and I like it a lot. Definitely better (for me) than The Incident, of which I don't have a great opinion.
Obviously, more listens are in order.
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Porcupine Tree v. Glarung / Glarntinuation
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Well, as always, whenever there are "bonus tracks" for an album, I've got to find a way to slot them into the running order, so here's my take on C/C with the three bonus tracks:
Harridan
Of The New Day
Rats Return
Dignity
Population Three
Herd Culling
Never Have
Walk The Plank
Love In The Past Tense
Chimera's Wreck
The bonus tracks are just as good as anything else on the album and they definitely deserved to be a part of it proper. Would love to see what others here would make of a "complete tracklist" of all ten songs.
-Marc.
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Listened to it again and it's deff a good album :metal
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I think Love In The Past Tense would have made a good addition to the main album. The other two bonus tracks aren't all that interesting to me; I don't think throwing all of them on there would have improved the album much if at all.
I do think the proper album feels a bit short though; it could have used one or two more songs after Herd Culling. Feels like the album wraps up a bit too quickly.
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I think the album is great. And I don't care what they label the songs, for all intents and purposes I consider it a consistent and well paced ten track album.
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The name stays
All time post. Legendary.
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For those that have the limited editon, who wrote Population Three, Never Have and Love in the Past Tense? Thanks!
By the way, I'm listening to the album just placing Chimeras Wreck at last and it really has a good flow this way IMO.
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Well, that was an unexpected reappearance. :lol
Before getting to the new album, let me say I truly loved The Incident, and always found it better than Fear of a Blank Planet which I thought was overrated among fans. One of the things I'm looking forward to the least on the upcoming tour is the almost certainty that Steven will drag out Sleep Together for the 1000th time.
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For those that have the limited editon, who wrote Population Three, Never Have and Love in the Past Tense? Thanks!
By the way, I'm listening to the album just placing Chimeras Wreck at last and it really has a good flow this way IMO.
You can check discogs for the credits:
https://www.discogs.com/release/23676632-Porcupine-Tree-Closure-Continuation
Of the ten songs, Gavin gets writing credits on 6, and Richard on 3, with "Herd Culling" being the only song credited to all three members.
-Marc.
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The name stays
All time post. Legendary.
I'm just here to post that this is perfect! Galaurung was here for one reason, and it sure as hell wasn't to discuss this album.
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Well, that was an unexpected reappearance. :lol
Before getting to the new album, let me say I truly loved The Incident, and always found it better than Fear of a Blank Planet which I thought was overrated among fans. One of the things I'm looking forward to the least on the upcoming tour is the almost certainty that Steven will drag out Sleep Together for the 1000th time.
I believe he said in an interview that they were playing anesthetize, but wouldn't be surprised if another song makes it to the setlist ( If it does, I hope it's the title track).
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The name stays
I love you so much. :lol
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The name stays
All time post. Legendary.
I'm just here to post that this is perfect! Galaurung was here for one reason, and it sure as hell wasn't to discuss this album.
That's was excellent.
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The name stays
:lol :rollin :lol
:lol :rollin
Brilliant
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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For those that have the limited editon, who wrote Population Three, Never Have and Love in the Past Tense? Thanks!
By the way, I'm listening to the album just placing Chimeras Wreck at last and it really has a good flow this way IMO.
You can check discogs for the credits:
https://www.discogs.com/release/23676632-Porcupine-Tree-Closure-Continuation
Of the ten songs, Gavin gets writing credits on 6, and Richard on 3, with "Herd Culling" being the only song credited to all three members.
-Marc.
Thanks! yeah, discogs is very good on that, but I always forget the site's name :facepalm:
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Before getting to the new album, let me say I truly loved The Incident, and always found it better than Fear of a Blank Planet which I thought was overrated among fans. One of the things I'm looking forward to the least on the upcoming tour is the almost certainty that Steven will drag out Sleep Together for the 1000th time.
Hell yeah! The Incident lovers unite! :metal :metal
However, I do love Fear... as well, and Sleep Together is one of those great songs that I never tire of hearing, so SW can play it as much as he wants as far as I am concerned. :biggrin:
They did
Well, that was an unexpected reappearance. :lol
Before getting to the new album, let me say I truly loved The Incident, and always found it better than Fear of a Blank Planet which I thought was overrated among fans. One of the things I'm looking forward to the least on the upcoming tour is the almost certainty that Steven will drag out Sleep Together for the 1000th time.
I believe he said in an interview that they were playing anesthetize, but wouldn't be surprised if another song makes it to the setlist ( If it does, I hope it's the title track).
They did say in one interview that they are playing Anesthetize, but I remember seeing in another that Harrison saying he is glad they aren't playing it because that song wears him out. Makes me wonder if he meant the whole song, and perhaps they are just playing part of it again, like the middle section as they did on the last tour.
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I got through one listen of the new album today, all seven songs from the proper album. It sounded good, but it will take a few more listens to really wrap my head around it. I wasn't overly wild about the Harridan, though, and I remember now thinking that at the time when I first heard it many months ago, which is when I decided to avoid it and any other songs until the whole album was out.
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Before getting to the new album, let me say I truly loved The Incident, and always found it better than Fear of a Blank Planet which I thought was overrated among fans. One of the things I'm looking forward to the least on the upcoming tour is the almost certainty that Steven will drag out Sleep Together for the 1000th time.
Hell yeah! The Incident lovers unite! :metal :metal
However, I do love Fear... as well, and Sleep Together is one of those great songs that I never tire of hearing, so SW can play it as much as he wants as far as I am concerned. :biggrin:
They did
Well, that was an unexpected reappearance. :lol
Before getting to the new album, let me say I truly loved The Incident, and always found it better than Fear of a Blank Planet which I thought was overrated among fans. One of the things I'm looking forward to the least on the upcoming tour is the almost certainty that Steven will drag out Sleep Together for the 1000th time.
I believe he said in an interview that they were playing anesthetize, but wouldn't be surprised if another song makes it to the setlist ( If it does, I hope it's the title track).
They did say in one interview that they are playing Anesthetize, but I remember seeing in another that Harrison saying he is glad they aren't playing it because that song wears him out. Makes me wonder if he meant the whole song, and perhaps they are just playing part of it again, like the middle section as they did on the last tour.
Count me in as a fan on The Incident as well. Although I would rank it behind IA, DW and FoABP.
As for Sleep Together - for me it's one of those songs that works better live. On the album, I think it's just OK. But the 3 times I've seen him play it live, it kicks ass and is always a highlight.
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You can buy the deluxe version in digital format (MP3/FLAC) w/ pdf booklet
https://porcupinetree.tmstor.es/
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Returns in a 20 minute window after a 3 year absence... That's some top grade lurking man. :rollin
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You can buy the deluxe version in digital format (MP3/FLAC) w/ pdf booklet
https://porcupinetree.tmstor.es/
That site has the 3-disc version for $76. I went to Amazon UK (US version didn’t carry it) and paid $82 which included rush shipping…so I guess that was a pretty good price. It’s supposed to arrive by next Friday.
Guess I should have pre ordered
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I caught it the first time, but noticed it even more the second time, how that riff near the end of Chimera's Wreck is basically the Fear of a Blank Planet riff slightly tweaked.
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You can buy the deluxe version in digital format (MP3/FLAC) w/ pdf booklet
https://porcupinetree.tmstor.es/
That site has the 3-disc version for $76. I went to Amazon UK (US version didn’t carry it) and paid $82 which included rush shipping…so I guess that was a pretty good price. It’s supposed to arrive by next Friday.
Guess I should have pre ordered
Strangely enough I did see Amazon US list it for $62 prior to Friday. I thought of switching to it from my Laser's Edge order but decided against it as I like the folks on LE. Plus it was just $10 less than LE when I placed my pre-order.
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Heard the album a few times today along with the extra 3 tracks. Chimera's Wreck is an early favorite right now. The ending of that track kicks ass, got a lot of Rush vibes to it.
On first few impressions, the album as a whole has a lot of traditional PT vibes, some even solo Steven Wilson bits here and there. Overall it's a very enjoyable listen. Eagerly awaiting my BR to listen to the Hi res versions.
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I know we're fashionably unconcerned but MP has declared it his album of the year: https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1540590038093889537
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Dignity is really standing out to me after several listens. Album is getting better and better with each listen. This is the exciting time. :hat :hat
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I wasn't a big fan of Steven's falsetto on his latest solo records, but he applied it here very well.
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I feel a little bit cheated. I buy the regular cd for a regular price and get no bonus tracks. But on spotify and other streaming services, which SW has condemned for a long time, I get those bonus tracks for free. So why should I buy a physical copy, if I get less for more money? That's the ultimate troll move, imo.
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Now for a limited time (June 30th) PT are offering the Deluxe Edition digital download for $6.99 and that includes a PDF of the artbook.
Here's the tweet (https://twitter.com/PorcupineTree/status/1540681213127659520)
To celebrate the release of Closure / Continuation we have put together a special download version of the album, available for £4.99. This includes the album tracks, bonus material and the exclusive artwork booklet from the 2xCD, blu-ray deluxe package.
https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/townsend (https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/townsend)
Though for US users to get it you have to set the Store to 'Worldwide' instead of 'US', that's when you'll see the link to the digital download.
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Now for a limited time (June 30th) PT are offering the Deluxe Edition digital download for $6.99 and that includes a PDF of the artbook.
Here's the tweet (https://twitter.com/PorcupineTree/status/1540681213127659520)
To celebrate the release of Closure / Continuation we have put together a special download version of the album, available for £4.99. This includes the album tracks, bonus material and the exclusive artwork booklet from the 2xCD, blu-ray deluxe package.
https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/townsend (https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/townsend)
Though for US users to get it you have to set the Store to 'Worldwide' instead of 'US', that's when you'll see the link to the digital download.
If you have bought the regular CD from them you should have got a mail with a personal discount code as well.
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Now for a limited time (June 30th) PT are offering the Deluxe Edition digital download for $6.99 and that includes a PDF of the artbook.
Here's the tweet (https://twitter.com/PorcupineTree/status/1540681213127659520)
To celebrate the release of Closure / Continuation we have put together a special download version of the album, available for £4.99. This includes the album tracks, bonus material and the exclusive artwork booklet from the 2xCD, blu-ray deluxe package.
https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/townsend (https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/PTCC/townsend)
Though for US users to get it you have to set the Store to 'Worldwide' instead of 'US', that's when you'll see the link to the digital download.
If you have bought the regular CD from them you should have got a mail with a personal discount code as well.
And let's be frank: it's disgusting they're offering people the opportunity to purchase a download when a physical product has already been purchased.
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I wasn't a big fan of Steven's falsetto on his latest solo records, but he applied it here very well.
His falsetto never bothers me, but he has definitely gained a lot more confidence in his voice. He has used a lot less effects on them in recent years. I do think he often used them for effect, but there were definitely times where his inability to belt out a chorus that needed it resulted in him using an effect which could then give it more more oomph than his naked voice would. Cheating the Polygraph is a good example.
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I feel a little bit cheated. I buy the regular cd for a regular price and get no bonus tracks. But on spotify and other streaming services, which SW has condemned for a long time, I get those bonus tracks for free. So why should I buy a physical copy, if I get less for more money? That's the ultimate troll move, imo.
LOL, quite ironic isn't it? I bought the iTunes version for $9.99 and has all 10 songs. Sadly, I think my days of buying physical media are just about over.
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Dignity is really standing out to me after several listens. Album is getting better and better with each listen. This is the exciting time. :hat :hat
Yes, Dignity is my early favorite too along with Chimera's Wreck. Three listens in and really digging the whole album. As much as I love SW's solo career - this is something different and it's nice to get new music like this once again.
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One thing I just noticed: I bought the album on iTunes and the volume of every song is super low. Like, not just in a "high dynamic range" way, I mean the loudest parts in Harridan only reach -0.7642 dB (according to Audacity). It's super quiet compared to everything else in my library.
Has anyone else noticed this issue?
I could amplify all the tracks myself and re-export them but I really don't want to have to do that...
EDIT: I went through each of the tracks and it actually looks like Harridan and Of The New Day are the only ones that peak that low - everything else goes up to around 0dB like one would expect. Weird...
Well, I'm sure the high dynamic range will be a plus for some people. :lol The album does sound very good, volume aside...
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Got the clear vinyl box thing, it is beautiful and very well made.
With a coupon I also bought it for close to a regular vinyl price, which was nice ;D
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One thing I just noticed: I bought the album on iTunes and the volume of every song is super low. Like, not just in a "high dynamic range" way, I mean the loudest parts in Harridan only reach -0.7642 dB (according to Audacity). It's super quiet compared to everything else in my library.
Has anyone else noticed this issue?
I could amplify all the tracks myself and re-export them but I really don't want to have to do that...
EDIT: I went through each of the tracks and it actually looks like Harridan and Of The New Day are the only ones that peak that low - everything else goes up to around 0dB like one would expect. Weird...
Well, I'm sure the high dynamic range will be a plus for some people. :lol The album does sound very good, volume aside...
Delete those two songs and then re-download them, see if that fixes it. iTunes can do some strange things at times - it's worth a shot.
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There's your mistake d/l from iTunes, the quality is terrible.
The album is very dynamic and sounds amazing in lossless.
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There's your mistake d/l from iTunes, the quality is terrible.
The album is very dynamic and sounds amazing in lossless.
Apple streaming is HD and well beyond the bitrate of a CD, surely Itunes is also these days? That said, unless there is some fuckup or different version, the difference should really not be that big. This seems like a glitch.
Anyways, I use Qobus for streaming (due to my dad having a family plan for it).
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No idea as I'd rather not listen to anything iTunes and lossy.
Sounds like AM radio to my fussy ears :biggrin:
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Thanks for the link to the digital download! I was having a hell of a time getting it to work but finally saw that you must be on a computer. No android or I phone and as mentioned US peeps need to change to "global" store. Im guessing the colored vinyls are sold out, as those links didn't work for me.
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The name stays
Holy shit.
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Wilson's and Edwin's different approaches to playing bass makes a massive difference here. That's the biggest surprise for me after one listen. Not that they're different, but how significant it is to the final product. It'll take a few listens to fully digest, but that was my first impression. A completely different energy due to the more frenetic bass work.
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Fantastic album, I've only listened to twice but I think it's up there with any of them.
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Still waiting on my deluxe pre-order from Laser's Edge. Checked Amazon and they aren't selling anything but the vinyl. Everything else is sold out and going for stupid high resale already. Might grab that cheap digital offer to tide me over.
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There's your mistake d/l from iTunes, the quality is terrible.
The album is very dynamic and sounds amazing in lossless.
Apple streaming is HD and well beyond the bitrate of a CD, surely Itunes is also these days? That said, unless there is some fuckup or different version, the difference should really not be that big. This seems like a glitch.
Anyways, I use Qobus for streaming (due to my dad having a family plan for it).
Yep, the iTunes version, which I got, sounds great. Clear as day and great sonic quality. :tup :tup
As for the volume issue, I did a check on the new album vs the loudest songs from the last three albums, and the new album is just a shade quieter than Deadwing, Fear and The Incident, but not noticeably different.
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Still waiting on my deluxe pre-order from Laser's Edge. Checked Amazon and they aren't selling anything but the vinyl. Everything else is sold out and going for stupid high resale already. Might grab that cheap digital offer to tide me over.
They are waiting for the product from their distributor. Townsend Music also had delays in receiving their stock and their update said they will start shipping June 27th
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Alright, I've now spun the new album a half dozen times at least. I have to say, I think the 13 year wait and anticipation that came along with this release got to me, I was very tentative on my first spin, but from there on it's just grown on me and I'm loving it.
Favorites thus far have been Dignity, Herd Culling, and Chimera's Wreck.
Only song that I don't at least really like is Walk the Plank.
And although I didn't list them in my favorites, I have to say the final three songs come together to really close out a PT album in a very PT way.
I wouldn't put it best SW and Co. to play this album in its entirety, or close to it, despite having a huge back catalog that hasn't been touched by the band in years, and if that's the case I won't complain.
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After checking out the bonus tracks and re-listening to Dignity and Herd Culling, I think this is a fine fucking album. I wasn't sold on the modern approach, but the bonus tracks are traditional enough to hold it all together. I understand why he wanted them separate, and I think it works.
Favorites thus far have been Dignity, Herd Culling, and Chimera's Wreck.
Dignity is exactly the sort of song I want to hate, and yet it's wonderful. And leading up to Herd Culling I think it's as good a 15 minutes of Porcupine Tree as you can hope for.
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Okay. I am now ready to admit this album is bloody marvellous. But the so-called bonus tracks should never have been bonus tracks.
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Okay. I am now ready to admit this album is bloody marvellous. But the so-called bonus tracks should never have been bonus tracks.
I agree. Maybe hearing it with the bonus tracks from the start was a mistake but now I almost feel a bit underwhelmed with the CD/Vinyl not even having the last 3 songs.
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I am still not sure if I like Harridan, but the rest is sounding pretty great. I am starting to think that the the Fear riff being used at the end of Chimera's Wreck was intentional, as if this is their last album, having the last song on their last album featuring a callback to a song from what the band and many considered one of their best albums would be a nice touch.
The three bonus songs all sound good, but I am trying to listen to them not as much thus far, as I want to get used to the proper album first before diving too much into the bonus songs. Plus, since the bonus songs are not part of the regular album, I want to get a feel for the flow and vibe of the proper album before I start integrating them into the mix.
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Dignity is really standing out to me after several listens. Album is getting better and better with each listen. This is the exciting time. :hat :hat
Dignity is probably my initial favorite off the new album. I love it.
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I've always wondered what the thread title meant. It's been bugging me for years. :lol Now it makes more sense, though not completely. I do love how a comeback of a forum member gets discussed as much the Porcupine Tree comeback. :tup
EDIT: Sorry, I had missed an entire page of comments. The people have moved on in the meantime. ;D
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Dignity reminds me of Christenings from Blackfield II a lot, both in its vibe and its lyrical themes. I like Dignity more though.
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As I sense myself listening to a lot of PT this summer with the new album, and my likely pattern to keep up of revisiting a lot of the old stuff after a favorite releases a new record, they are very likely to be the next countdown thread I do once Iron Maiden is finished in 2-3 weeks.
I assume we have plenty here who would be down for a top 50 or 75? :)
The bitch of course will be remembering every song since they have so many non-album tracks. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Dignity reminds me of Christenings from Blackfield II a lot, both in its vibe and its lyrical themes. I like Dignity more though.
"Christenings" is practically a PT song anyway, originally written for Deadwing, and the recorded/released version features Richard and Gavin, both of whom are the remaining members of PT. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that song out for the tour, despite it originally being released by Blackfield. It would be a fun surprise!
-Marc.
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As I sense myself listening to a lot of PT this summer with the new album, and my likely pattern to keep up of revisiting a lot of the old stuff after a favorite releases a new record, they are very likely to be the next countdown thread I do once Iron Maiden is finished in 2-3 weeks.
I assume we have plenty here who would be down for a top 50 or 75? :)
The bitch of course will be remembering every song since they have so many non-album tracks. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
I’m down for that. That would actually be interesting.
I’d almost recommend one other band before PT to give C/C some time to settle in. Savatage maybe? But maybe you’re not into them.
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Am I the only one loving Of The New Day? I know it was the 2nd single released, and I only listed to it once and didn't pay much attention to it. But now having the full album, I'm loving this song.
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I am still not sure if I like Harridan, but the rest is sounding pretty great.
I've quite grown to love Harridan but I think it's unfortunate IMO that the weakest part of it is the 'chorus' and that kinda puts a limit on how high I could rate the song overall even though I love the rest in it. (By chorus I mean the when we bite the dust part)
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I’m down for that. That would actually be interesting.
I’d almost recommend one other band before PT to give C/C some time to settle in. Savatage maybe? But maybe you’re not into them.
Well, similar to the DT one, with the new album being so new, it would be another "the new songs are not part of the countdown yet" thing with regards to PT.
I don't listen to that other band and have zero interest in doing so (tried them years ago, no thanks).
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I assume we have plenty here who would be down for a top 50 or 75? :)
The bitch of course will be remembering every song since they have so many non-album tracks. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
Oh fuck yes. I hope you do include the non-album tracks because some of them (like chloroform) are among my favorites.
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The early non-album tracks are the ones where I will struggle to remember them all, and the bad part is that it will make the spreadsheet super long and more time-consuming to update. And then we get into the annoying part of having the original Even Less and then the long version from Recordings. Ugh, I may have to ponder how I will do this one.
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Meanwhile, I adore that main musical melody in Love in the Past Tense. That is great stuff.
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The early non-album tracks are the ones where I will struggle to remember them all, and the bad part is that it will make the spreadsheet super long and more time-consuming to update. And then we get into the annoying part of having the original Even Less and then the long version from Recordings. Ugh, I may have to ponder how I will do this one.
Perhaps this is of help: http://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.pdf (http://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.pdf) (a document via his official site)
Should list every release, including digital only single releases.
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I assume we have plenty here who would be down for a top 50 or 75? :)
I'd certainly be up for it although - and I guess this might be an unpopular opinion - I'd like to see Steven Wilson's solo output included.
Re Of the New Day, the melody absolutely tugs at my heart strings. And the lyrics are so applicable to my current circumstances. At some point, I will probably end up balling my eyes out (I'm okay, honestly, it's just a big change coming) and it won't surprise me if this track is the catalyst.
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The early non-album tracks are the ones where I will struggle to remember them all, and the bad part is that it will make the spreadsheet super long and more time-consuming to update. And then we get into the annoying part of having the original Even Less and then the long version from Recordings. Ugh, I may have to ponder how I will do this one.
Perhaps this is of help: http://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.pdf (http://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.pdf) (a document via his official site)
Should list every release, including digital only single releases.
Cool, thanks!
I'd certainly be up for it although - and I guess this might be an unpopular opinion - I'd like to see Steven Wilson's solo output included.
Nah. Two different things (the earliest PT stuff, which basically was solo SW, aside).
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I'm really liking the album so far. I have no idea where I'd rank it within their discography, but I'm really liking it. Gavin's drumming is fantastic throughout, and I can really tell that he had significant input on these songs. It definitely has a band feel to it.
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Not sure if this was posted but a pretty good interview with SW: https://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/porcupine_trees_steven_wilson_on_closure_continuation
That also might solve the Colin discussion. Here's both what SW says and what Colin said:
SW:
The simple reason is that when we started making the record back in 2012, myself and Gavin started to work on ideas. I picked up the bass and it wasn’t like, “I’m going to be the bass player on this record.” Colin’s not going to get a look. It wasn’t anything as self-conscious as that. It was simply I think I was already a bit bored with the guitar at that point. So I reached over and I picked up the bass and I started to play the bass line to “Harridan.” We came up with that, that groove in five, which kind of not uncoincidentally opens the record, because I think they straight away there’s a kind of what shall we say, a kind of statement of intent right at the beginning of the record. This is not going to be the same old, same old.
The bedrock of the whole record really became the way I “play bass,” but allied with the fact that I was jamming these grooves with Gavin. So whole chunks of the record, you know, the “Harridan” song was all written—even the chorus was written on bass. “Rats Return,” the big heavy riff actually was written on the bass. “Chimera’s Wreck,” all written on the bass. So these songs which were started way back in 2012, 2013, that became the sort of the foundations of the record were written with me playing bass. And I played bass in a very different way to Colin. I played bass like a guitar player because I am a guitar player. I pick it up and I start playing melodies up the top and I play chords and I play things that “proper bass players” probably wouldn’t think to play. So there was no great conspiracy. We just got to a point where we realized, “Oh, Steven’s going to be the bass player on this record.” From that point on, it was just, “Okay, so it’s the three of us now.”
I would also say that I think, and this is not just me being pragmatic or looking back in hindsight—and no disrespect to Colin, he’s a fantastic player—the creative core of the band was always Gavin, Richard, and myself anyway. If you listen to the sound of the band going back certainly from the In Absentia days onwards, it was Gavin’s approach to drums, his very polyrhythmic technical approach to drums, Richard’s sound design and use of texture and ambiance. Both of those things filtered through my songwriting aesthetic.
We don’t have Colin on the record, but neither do we have anyone else on the record, which is something that you can’t say of any Porcupine Tree record going back a long time. There’s always been guests, whether it’s been string arrangers or guest vocalists or guest guitar solos. There’s no sound on this record that isn’t made by myself, Richard or Gavin. No engineers— actually Paul Stacey helped me a little bit with guitars later on—but apart from that, it was part of the very, very latter stages of the recording and mixing process. But we really just made the record in our own studios. Just the three of us without anyone else knew we were doing it.
Colin:
Asked for comment, Edwin responded by email: “We hadn’t fallen out or anything, and were in contact occasionally about various things, reissues mainly, or odd business things, but there had long been no indication or hint of any new band activity, writing sessions or any possibility of reactivation. My band O.R.k toured with Pineapple Thief in 2019, we all got on fine and there was no mention at all from Gavin about any possible new PT stuff, certainly nothing from anyone else. So it was a surprise to me in March 2021, in lockdown, to get an email from Steve telling me there’s a new album and as he’s already played all the bass parts there’s ‘no role for me.’ Soon after that Steve’s lawyer gets in touch. I have had no real contact from anyone since.”
So yeah two quite different takes on it. My own interpretation was that the other 3 guys simply didn't want to include him again (possibly due to that rumored falling out between him and Richard) and they simply choose to move forward without him. We can speculate if his presence would add something to the album or not, but personally I really like the album and I don't think I would have enjoyed it much more if Colin was on it. In the end it turned out good.
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Re Of the New Day, the melody absolutely tugs at my heart strings. And the lyrics are so applicable to my current circumstances. At some point, I will probably end up balling my eyes out (I'm okay, honestly, it's just a big change coming) and it won't surprise me if this track is the catalyst.
Same here, lyrics hit home.
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Not sure if this was posted but a pretty good interview with SW: https://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/porcupine_trees_steven_wilson_on_closure_continuation
That also might solve the Colin discussion. Here's both what SW says and what Colin said:
SW:
The simple reason is that when we started making the record back in 2012, myself and Gavin started to work on ideas. I picked up the bass and it wasn’t like, “I’m going to be the bass player on this record.” Colin’s not going to get a look. It wasn’t anything as self-conscious as that. It was simply I think I was already a bit bored with the guitar at that point. So I reached over and I picked up the bass and I started to play the bass line to “Harridan.” We came up with that, that groove in five, which kind of not uncoincidentally opens the record, because I think they straight away there’s a kind of what shall we say, a kind of statement of intent right at the beginning of the record. This is not going to be the same old, same old.
The bedrock of the whole record really became the way I “play bass,” but allied with the fact that I was jamming these grooves with Gavin. So whole chunks of the record, you know, the “Harridan” song was all written—even the chorus was written on bass. “Rats Return,” the big heavy riff actually was written on the bass. “Chimera’s Wreck,” all written on the bass. So these songs which were started way back in 2012, 2013, that became the sort of the foundations of the record were written with me playing bass. And I played bass in a very different way to Colin. I played bass like a guitar player because I am a guitar player. I pick it up and I start playing melodies up the top and I play chords and I play things that “proper bass players” probably wouldn’t think to play. So there was no great conspiracy. We just got to a point where we realized, “Oh, Steven’s going to be the bass player on this record.” From that point on, it was just, “Okay, so it’s the three of us now.”
I would also say that I think, and this is not just me being pragmatic or looking back in hindsight—and no disrespect to Colin, he’s a fantastic player—the creative core of the band was always Gavin, Richard, and myself anyway. If you listen to the sound of the band going back certainly from the In Absentia days onwards, it was Gavin’s approach to drums, his very polyrhythmic technical approach to drums, Richard’s sound design and use of texture and ambiance. Both of those things filtered through my songwriting aesthetic.
We don’t have Colin on the record, but neither do we have anyone else on the record, which is something that you can’t say of any Porcupine Tree record going back a long time. There’s always been guests, whether it’s been string arrangers or guest vocalists or guest guitar solos. There’s no sound on this record that isn’t made by myself, Richard or Gavin. No engineers— actually Paul Stacey helped me a little bit with guitars later on—but apart from that, it was part of the very, very latter stages of the recording and mixing process. But we really just made the record in our own studios. Just the three of us without anyone else knew we were doing it.
Colin:
Asked for comment, Edwin responded by email: “We hadn’t fallen out or anything, and were in contact occasionally about various things, reissues mainly, or odd business things, but there had long been no indication or hint of any new band activity, writing sessions or any possibility of reactivation. My band O.R.k toured with Pineapple Thief in 2019, we all got on fine and there was no mention at all from Gavin about any possible new PT stuff, certainly nothing from anyone else. So it was a surprise to me in March 2021, in lockdown, to get an email from Steve telling me there’s a new album and as he’s already played all the bass parts there’s ‘no role for me.’ Soon after that Steve’s lawyer gets in touch. I have had no real contact from anyone since.”
So yeah two quite different takes on it. My own interpretation was that the other 3 guys simply didn't want to include him again (possibly due to that rumored falling out between him and Richard) and they simply choose to move forward without him. We can speculate if his presence would add something to the album or not, but personally I really like the album and I don't think I would have enjoyed it much more if Colin was on it. In the end it turned out good.
Interesting info, thanks for posting.
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Not surprisingly, the stories differ. Sounds to me like PT decided that Colin's input into PT wasn't worth bringing him back into the fold. My guess is, Colin would have asked for more $$$$ in comparison to a plain old touring bassist, and SW and PT just decided he wasn't crucial to PT's sound. I get it. It's not cool, but I do understand it.
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I don't know much about any falling out, but more than $$$ if there was an issue between Colin and Richard it's a matter of is it worth bringing Colin along if it's only going to cause drama between the two of them when Steven has always seems to get along really well with Richard.
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I would’ve loved to see Colin back but the truth is I like the album a lot. It’s good. I also really dig some of the bass playing so that’s that.. Still I’ll def miss Colin’s chilled out stage presence and fluid playing. He sure wasn’t a marginal part of the band’s sound. I do feel SW is probably selling his influence a bit short.. but then again the guys themselves know best.
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I'm certainly digging the album a lot, and I don't know if Colin's presence would make it a better album or not. His absence definitely makes it a different one, though, as I mentioned before. SW's bass playing couldn't be any more different than Colin's, and it changes the underlying tone of several of the songs quite a bit.
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And this is 100% speculative on my part, but now that I believe they are operating under the "Porcupine Three" corporation as opposed to "Porcupine Tree", my guess is that the remaining guys restructured, but this time with things explicitly spelled out that Porcupine Tree releases have to involve the three of them. The original "Porcupine Tree" corporation likely didn't include those protections, hence why they could shuffle Colin aside.
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I have high respect for Steven Wilson the musician but the respect for Steven Wilson the person diminishes with everything I hear or read about him.
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PT had an AMA (https://old.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/vlvqfj/were_porcupine_tree_and_well_be_answering_your/?sort=qa)on reddit today, nothing too out of the ordinary was answered, they're considering playing all tracks of the album and also maybe record a show for a recording.
I also wished they answered why the bonus tracks are part of the main release on all digital outlets.
Q: Hey all!
Was wondering that the decision to leave three amazing tracks off the record came down to? I think Never Have is one of the strongest tracks but was left off the vinyl and cd release. Just curious as to that decision making! Album is a masterpiece btw.
A: I think the answer is that we really like the 3 extra tracks, we really love that the bonus tracks are just as good as the album but we wanted to make an experimental and creative record and Never Have and Love In The Past Tense seemed a bit more lightweight so decided to release them as bonus tracks instead of being part of the main album cycle - SW
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And this is 100% speculative on my part, but now that I believe they are operating under the "Porcupine Three" corporation as opposed to "Porcupine Tree", my guess is that the remaining guys restructured, but this time with things explicitly spelled out that Porcupine Tree releases have to involve the three of them. The original "Porcupine Tree" corporation likely didn't include those protections, hence why they could shuffle Colin aside.
My thoughts exactly. And having three partners makes a majority easier to come by with decisions. I thought it was also noteworthy that SW mentioned that GH and RB now had specific roles and things they are in charge for regarding the band (merch, musical director, etc.). That all screamed business to me. PT likely has three owners and they most likely didn't want a fourth. Again, total speculation.
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And this is 100% speculative on my part, but now that I believe they are operating under the "Porcupine Three" corporation as opposed to "Porcupine Tree", my guess is that the remaining guys restructured, but this time with things explicitly spelled out that Porcupine Tree releases have to involve the three of them. The original "Porcupine Tree" corporation likely didn't include those protections, hence why they could shuffle Colin aside.
Interesting. So you're saying they created a new business entity or corporation that they're now operating as? I'm not sure what the laws are in the UK - or how the original business entity was structured - but if he has part ownership of "Porcupine Tree", then I'm guessing he'd still get some royalties from any older tracks. I also question how they can operate under the name "Porcupine Tree"? Maybe they bought him out? Or maybe "Porcupine Tree" was always a sole proprietorship (SW), and the other guys were employees? Who knows, but makes for great DTF gossip LOL.
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Kram,
Not speaking for Nick, but in general, unless Colin was a member of the band's corporation, it really doesn't matter. I don't think he had any ownership. My full-on guess is, Porcupine Tree was probably just SW and for this revamp, they re-did it so it was SW/RB/GH -- thus their increased roles in the business.
As for Colin's royalties, for records he performed on, those are generally captured and sent to him by whatever group (ASCAP, BMI, etc.) handles his rights. I'm not sure he had any publishing (maybe he did)? If so, publishing (writing) royalties are handled in a similar manner.
I'm not an expert on PT's structure, so this is all in generalities.
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Kram,
Not speaking for Nick, but in general, unless Colin was a member of the band's corporation, it really doesn't matter. I don't think he had any ownership. My full-on guess is, Porcupine Tree was probably just SW and for this revamp, they re-did it so it was SW/RB/GH -- thus their increased roles in the business.
As for Colin's royalties, for records he performed on, those are generally captured and sent to him by whatever group (ASCAP, BMI, etc.) handles his rights. I'm not sure he had any publishing (maybe he did)? If so, publishing (writing) royalties are handled in a similar manner.
I'm not an expert on PT's structure, so this is all in generalities.
Yes, that is what my question was. Was/is he a member of the corporation or LLC (as we have here in the US)? If not then you're correct, it would not matter. If he was/is, it gets trickier.
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Yeah, Samsara has the general idea I was going for. Think of the corporation as the business entity that rules the group, but because SW ultimately likely has rights to the Porcupine Tree name the new corporation could still release Porcupine Tree albums but with the three of them acting under the rules of the new Porcupine Three corporation going forward.
I'd have to dig back in this thread, but a solid year or two before the news broke of this reunion someone found in the UK registry that this Porcupine Three corp. had been formed.
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Given that Edwin said they had been in contact here and there over the years about business stuff and then the band said they never heard from him, my guess would be that the three kept it to themselves that they were working together and their "we never heard from him" stance could be in reference to working on anything new. More than likely, Wilson was the one to make that call, and it wouldn't surprise if it got to a point where he thought, "we may not need Colin," so he advised them all to keep it under wraps so as not to rock the boat when they were still in that "are we going to do this or not?" stage. I could be way off, but that seems like a very plausible chain of events to me.
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I'd have to dig back in this thread, but a solid year or two before the news broke of this reunion someone found in the UK registry that this Porcupine Three corp. had been formed.
It seems to have been incorporated in May last year: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13381221
And it looks like the company is split equally between the three of them.
The old company still shows the four of them as directors, but only Steven is listed in the 'persons with significant control':
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04392309
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Which goes to show that it's Steven's band. Not an equal vote like most want to believe.
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Eh, I think we all know that Chris Maitland is still pulling most of the strings behind the scenes.
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I'd have to dig back in this thread, but a solid year or two before the news broke of this reunion someone found in the UK registry that this Porcupine Three corp. had been formed.
It seems to have been incorporated in May last year: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13381221
And it looks like the company is split equally between the three of them.
The old company still shows the four of them as directors, but only Steven is listed in the 'persons with significant control':
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04392309
Thanks Krands, that's exactly the info I was talking about.
This is important because had Porcupine Tree (corp) continued, if something Steven didn't like came up he could theoretically toss someone at will.
Now that has basically happened to Colin, but we can be somewhat sure that neither Gavin or Richard are going anywhere against their will.
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Looks like it was brought to our attention here on May 26th. 2021.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56164.msg2777301#msg2777301
IIRC, the reunion and album was officially announced back in November.
-Marc.
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Which goes to show that it's Steven's band. Not an equal vote like most want to believe.
But isn't this exactly what changed now vs back then, by the three of them being equal owners?
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I'm pretty sure, that SW has the last say in everything. And didn't he say, that he doesn't know if there's any future PT activity after this tour? So maybe this is all irrelevant in a few months time.
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I'm pretty sure, that SW has the last say in everything. And didn't he say, that he doesn't know if there's any future PT activity after this tour? So maybe this is all irrelevant in a few months time.
I suspect that is a marketing ploy, kind of like saying, "This could be our last tour, so come see us now before it's too late!" It could get some on the fence fans to concerts if they think it's the last time they'll have a chance to see them.
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I hope/believe we will at least see some more stuff in the future. They seem to be happy with the record and it overall been recieved very well by both critics and the public. And looking at the Ziggodome, the ticketsales over here seem to do well (which is a much, much larger hall than they ever played). They are in the positions where they can treat it as a project that pops up every now and then, rather than a fulltime band. I hope/think that can work for these guys, no?
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Which goes to show that it's Steven's band. Not an equal vote like most want to believe.
But isn't this exactly what changed now vs back then, by the three of them being equal owners?
Steven is the one turning the Knobs. He's in control.
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I do wonder whether this reunion has a lot to do with the fact The Future Bites didn't do as well as hoped. I know SW has been playing larger and larger venues, but he'd announced some huge shows for that album that I couldn't see him ever coming close to selling out. I wonder if he realised that if he wants to play huge venues, he's going to have to do it under the PT name, because his own name isn't strong enough to sell that many tickets.
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Anyone get the artbook/deluxe edition in the US yet? Itching to listen to the album in high res on my system. The FLAC versions already sound pristine, curious how the high bitrate ones compare.
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I do wonder whether this reunion has a lot to do with the fact The Future Bites didn't do as well as hoped. I know SW has been playing larger and larger venues, but he'd announced some huge shows for that album that I couldn't see him ever coming close to selling out. I wonder if he realised that if he wants to play huge venues, he's going to have to do it under the PT name, because his own name isn't strong enough to sell that many tickets.
I am not sure this is true. While I think he could be doing the PT thing to get a nice cash influx to make up for the bath he took on TBT tour (since he had to eat the production costs for a tour that had to be cancelled), it is impossible to know what tickets sales would have been like for the TBT tour under normal circumstances, as the pandemic threw a wrench into it. Heck, the release of the album was delayed by more than six months because of the pandemic, so the promotion for the album was totally thrown off, as the first single ended getting released nearly a year before the album eventually came out. If TBT comes out in 2020 as planned and the tour starts on schedule, it is impossible to know how well or not well it would have done.
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I do wonder whether this reunion has a lot to do with the fact The Future Bites didn't do as well as hoped. I know SW has been playing larger and larger venues, but he'd announced some huge shows for that album that I couldn't see him ever coming close to selling out. I wonder if he realised that if he wants to play huge venues, he's going to have to do it under the PT name, because his own name isn't strong enough to sell that many tickets.
I am not sure this is true. While I think he could be doing the PT thing to get a nice cash influx to make up for the bath he took on TBT tour (since he had to eat the production costs for a tour that had to be cancelled), it is impossible to know what tickets sales would have been like for the TBT tour under normal circumstances, as the pandemic threw a wrench into it. Heck, the release of the album was delayed by more than six months because of the pandemic, so the promotion for the album was totally thrown off, as the first single ended getting released nearly a year before the album eventually came out. If TBT comes out in 2020 as planned and the tour starts on schedule, it is impossible to know how well or not well it would have done.
Very true Kev. That was at the height of the unknown of the pandemic when there was no vaccine and no answers.
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I do wonder whether this reunion has a lot to do with the fact The Future Bites didn't do as well as hoped. I know SW has been playing larger and larger venues, but he'd announced some huge shows for that album that I couldn't see him ever coming close to selling out. I wonder if he realised that if he wants to play huge venues, he's going to have to do it under the PT name, because his own name isn't strong enough to sell that many tickets.
I think that was a very limited tour, wasn't it only three shows or something like that? Not sure how ticket sales were going, but during To The Bones he was playing larger venues here than he ever did with P I think. One of the PT DVD is 013, which was 2000 people back in the day. He played in a 6000 people hall in Amsterdam during the To The Bone tour (and other concerts were within reasonable distance, like Belgium/Germany).
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He announced a TFB show at the O2 in London - that's 23,000 seats. He would NEVER have sold half of that. Similar sized venues across Europe. No way. Even industry insiders were raising eyebrows at that.
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He announced a TFB show at the O2 in London - that's 23,000 seats. He would NEVER have sold half of that. Similar sized venues across Europe. No way. Even industry insiders were raising eyebrows at that.
Yeah I agree that seems waaaaay too large.
But I just checked some venues from the planned 8 show 2020 tour and some were way smaller than that (Sporthalle Hamburg and Zenith Paris are like 7000 people).
And I know for the Ziggodome that while the event capacity goes up to 17000, that does not need to be used. I have been at venues in The Netherlands where they closed off the outer rings or a back part of the halls. Not all events in these halls are that big. If they did sell for the full 17000 then I agree that would be a challenge.
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I also initially felt part of the reason for bringing back PT was the somewhat lukewarm reception The Future Bites got. That's not to say I think it's the only reason, but it could have been a factor in SW putting the focus on PT to be the next album in the pipeline. Had he gone for another solo album instead, I'm sure there would be some buzz along the lines of "I don't know the last one wasn't great" but you bring back PT from the dead and make the first album in 12 years and any disappointment TFB may have brought is quickly forgotten and people are hyped up again.
But I'm sure if you ask SW again he wouldn't consider TFB a disappointment at all - it did get some good reviews and I'm sure he himself considers it one of his best. But still feels fair to say that fan reception was more mixed than it's been for previous albums. He'll bounce back with another solo album but this new PT album is the most fun I've had with his music in a decade!
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Second full listen of C/C complete. I like it even more. It's soooooo much better to my ears than The Incident. That said, I do hear elements of SW's solo work in the music. Which is totally cool, and obviously unavoidable. But I like how they really nailed what PT's (for lack of a better term) "sound" is as a baseline and sort of grooved and created from there. It works. And Gavin Harrison's drumming is really killer on this one (it always is).
Really looking forward to seeing this performed live.
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He announced a TFB show at the O2 in London - that's 23,000 seats. He would NEVER have sold half of that. Similar sized venues across Europe. No way. Even industry insiders were raising eyebrows at that.
Perhaps, but it's hard to compare to previous tours. Normally he plays a whole load of shows in smaller venues, whereas his announcement for that planned tour suggested he wanted to do something different, a smaller number of "special" shows with a big spectacle in bigger venues. We may never know what he had in mind with that.
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He announced a TFB show at the O2 in London - that's 23,000 seats. He would NEVER have sold half of that. Similar sized venues across Europe. No way. Even industry insiders were raising eyebrows at that.
Perhaps, but it's hard to compare to previous tours. Normally he plays a whole load of shows in smaller venues, whereas his announcement for that planned tour suggested he wanted to do something different, a smaller number of "special" shows with a big spectacle in bigger venues. We may never know what he had in mind with that.
Yes, I remember he said that. It would be great if he would share with us what he had planned, seeing as it never happened. Or maybe he's saving the "Spectacle" for his next solo tour?
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He announced a TFB show at the O2 in London - that's 23,000 seats. He would NEVER have sold half of that. Similar sized venues across Europe. No way. Even industry insiders were raising eyebrows at that.
Perhaps, but it's hard to compare to previous tours. Normally he plays a whole load of shows in smaller venues, whereas his announcement for that planned tour suggested he wanted to do something different, a smaller number of "special" shows with a big spectacle in bigger venues. We may never know what he had in mind with that.
I really wanted to see it too. Since it was also going to relate to the theme of The Future Bites. Being in bigger venues is usually due to the size of the stage being big enough for the production, stage size is very important and is one reason bands choose the venues they do. The only reason Dream Theater got to headline here in New Mexico was not only because of them playing all of Images and Words, but also because of their scaled down stage production. We don't really have a venue with a stage big/tall enough for most bands productions, which includes the video screens, that has a chance of selling enough, the draw isn't there.
Being how they've successfully kept this quiet for so long, this was bound to happen sometime soon. As The Future Bites tour wasn't happening and Steven having some free time, why not record the songs and release them. It sounds to me like the perfect opportunity to make the new PT happen.
I do wonder if Steven will bring some of his solo tour stage production ideas into the PT stage production, such as the video curtain.
All that makes the album title more meaningful, based on how it all goes, determines the future of Porcupine Tree.
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I think the bottom line will be, if the three key members of PT are all in great spirits on the tour and get along great, there will be no reason NOT to continue. I mean, SW has said it since he started doing press for the record: PT is the biggest it has ever been. Way more than when they left. PT is playing The Masonic in San Francisco. It sits roughly 3,400. The last PT tour, they played The Warfield, which is about 2,300. Gone over a decade, and boom, into way bigger venues (at least in San Fran).
So fingers-crossed the three of them gel on the road and have a smashing time. Because it's almost a certainty that if they do, PT will continue.
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I'm seeing them in a new MGM theater at Fenway Park which holds 5,000. Last time I saw them was a 2,000 capacity theater.
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I'm seeing them in a new MGM theater at Fenway Park which holds 5,000. Last time I saw them was a 2,000 capacity theater.
Boom. That's what I'm saying.
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I think the bottom line will be, if the three key members of PT are all in great spirits on the tour and get along great, there will be no reason NOT to continue. I mean, SW has said it since he started doing press for the record: PT is the biggest it has ever been. Way more than when they left. PT is playing The Masonic in San Francisco. It sits roughly 3,400. The last PT tour, they played The Warfield, which is about 2,300. Gone over a decade, and boom, into way bigger venues (at least in San Fran).
So fingers-crossed the three of them gel on the road and have a smashing time. Because it's almost a certainty that if they do, PT will continue.
I hope PT does continue. In probably wrong in this assumption but it feels like no matter how well they do SW seems to resent the success of PT so I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Will be seeing them in Avicci Arena in Stockholm which holdd 16.000.
Way more than SW solo or PT has ever drawn in Sweden.
I wonder how the sales go.
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From the few interviews I've seen and read with Steven, it really seems like he is leaving the door open for PT to continue. Heck, the album name is pretty much a big sign for the band to be on-going, but Steven has already announced his plans for another solo album. Will Richard and Gavin sit by while Steven goes off on another solo adventure, only to wait for another PT album, or will Steven put his solo work aside and see if PT should continue touring/writing/releasing music together?
The chart success for C/C might help Steven reconsider his plans, and if the tour is a huge success with shows at near capacity, he might be even further persuaded to continue PT for another album/tour after this year. It's a very "Wait And See" situation right now, but honestly, like many of you here, I'd say C/C is probably my favorite thing Steven's done since The Raven or HCE, and before those, it was FOABP.
As for the tour itself, I'm sure they'll play all seven songs from the main album, but I could also see the band not doing all of them and even tossing in one, two, or all three of the bonus tracks as well. Either way, it'll be a treat to see them play this material live! Hopefully the shows are packed so the band can see just how much their return means to the fans, but given how expensive tickets seem to be (the DC show has tickets over $200...yikes), I can see fans opting out of going, especially those who already feel cheated into having to buy the album twice (because of bonus tracks, or delays in receiving they physical product). I'm not much of a concert-goer, and prefer to buy physical products and some t-shirts to show off my fandom and appreciation of bands I love, but one of the few concerts I've gone to was Porcupine Tree on their FOABP tour (in Baltimore), and that was an experience! I envy everyone who can manage to go these shows and experience this band live.
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I hope PT does continue. In probably wrong in this assumption but it feels like no matter how well they do SW seems to resent the success of PT so I'm cautiously optimistic.
LOL, it does seem like that doesn't it? But why would he? Because he didn't do it all "Himself"?
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I never got the sense that SW resents the success of PT, but just was a bit frustrated that fans came to expect a certain sound out of them and he felt the pressure to not stray far from it.
He has already said that his next solo album is a go, with a tour to boot, but I agree that if this PT reunion is the smashing success that it is looking like it will be, it will be hard for him to just put that on the backburner again for a decade.
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4 or 5 listens in, and having trouble not including this in SW's best work.
I never considered PT an absolute favorite band of mine, but I always liked them enough to check out their new records. SW solo is where I really got on board. Now, with C/C, I feel like I'm being reminded of why PT were so great to begin with.
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Gave C/C a rest and listened to disc 1 of The Incident, probably am one of the few who absolutely love that album. It may be derivative, lame, full of bored ideas and not up to par with what SW wanted in a PT record but goddamn do I love it. The production also is top-notch as you'd expect from SW.
Going to listen to Fear now which is my favorite Gavin Era PT albums.
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Gave C/C a rest and listened to disc 1 of The Incident, probably am one of the few who absolutely love that album. It may be derivative, lame, full of bored ideas and not up to par with what SW wanted in a PT record but goddamn do I love it. The production also is top-notch as you'd expect from SW.
Going to listen to Fear now which is my favorite Gavin Era PT albums.
:heart :heart this post!
I don't put a lot of stock into the band's not overly positive opinion of The Incident, as I could list pages of times where I disagreed with an artist's opinion of one of their albums or songs.
I listened to Fear a few times last week and came away wondering if it was their best. Granted, that happens with many PT albums, but I usually put that one a shade or two behind Deadwing, Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream, but now I am not so sure.
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C/C is a good album, but doesn't really come close to surpassing their three best albums (IA, Deadwing, FOABP) for me. I'm not even sure I'd rank it above The Incident tbh - that's another good but not great album and definitely not one of their worst. C/C I think is a bit more consistent than The Incident is, but The Incident feels like a more fully-fleshed out and complete statement to me.
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If you don't include Nil Recurring I think Fear is the weakest of the Gavin era albums.
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If you don't include Nil Recurring I think Fear is the weakest of the Gavin era albums.
Why would (the general) you include Nil Recurring? ;)
Call me crazy, but when I rate, judge or rank albums, I do them off of the proper albums. Adding bonus tracks, EPs or whatever from the same era feels like cheating. :)
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If you don't include Nil Recurring I think Fear is the weakest of the Gavin era albums.
Why would (the general) you include Nil Recurring? ;)
Call me crazy, but when I rate, judge or rank albums, I do them off of the proper albums. Adding bonus tracks, EPs or whatever from the same era feels like cheating. :)
Except there are versions of the album (https://www.discogs.com/release/1236731-Porcupine-Tree-Fear-Of-A-Blank-Planet) that include those tracks and are all labeled as part of the album Fear Of A Blank Planet. Every original vinyl pressing of FOABP includes those four tracks, so for fans who got the album on vinyl, they got a 10-song album, and for them, that was the album.
Future re-presses and re-issues on vinyl don't include them, so I think if SW didn't want them to be considered as part of the album, he wouldn't have included them in the original vinyl versions like he did. He could have just as easily released a 2LP six-song album like the re-issues, but decided to include the Nil Recurring songs as part of the album.
And speaking of that, it's how I've always listened to the album ever since, and even after discovering the "Always Recurring" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsQP4dE61Tw&ab_channel=ThatCheapDrummer) demo that fit before "What Happens Now?", I've added that in as well to my personal version of FOABP (which reaches 83:18 in length).
-Marc.
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The original Fear CD did not have the Nil Recurring tracks, thus they are not part of the album. Including them on the later-released vinyl was probably more of a "let's put them all on one release" type of thing. Revisionist history, even by the artist, does not change the facts. When Fear of a Blank Planet was released in 2007, it had six songs. No more, no less.
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I've gotta go with Kev on this.
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If you don't include Nil Recurring I think Fear is the weakest of the Gavin era albums.
Why would (the general) you include Nil Recurring? ;)
Call me crazy, but when I rate, judge or rank albums, I do them off of the proper albums. Adding bonus tracks, EPs or whatever from the same era feels like cheating. :)
Except there are versions of the album (https://www.discogs.com/release/1236731-Porcupine-Tree-Fear-Of-A-Blank-Planet) that include those tracks and are all labeled as part of the album Fear Of A Blank Planet. Every original vinyl pressing of FOABP includes those four tracks, so for fans who got the album on vinyl, they got a 10-song album, and for them, that was the album.
Future re-presses and re-issues on vinyl don't include them, so I think if SW didn't want them to be considered as part of the album, he wouldn't have included them in the original vinyl versions like he did. He could have just as easily released a 2LP six-song album like the re-issues, but decided to include the Nil Recurring songs as part of the album.
And speaking of that, it's how I've always listened to the album ever since, and even after discovering the "Always Recurring" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsQP4dE61Tw&ab_channel=ThatCheapDrummer) demo that fit before "What Happens Now?", I've added that in as well to my personal version of FOABP (which reaches 83:18 in length).
-Marc.
This is the first time I'm hearing about this demo 'Always Recurring', very interesting. Was this part of any release or info dump?
Also had no idea the original Vinyl included all 10 tracks. That's odd because Fear and Nil Recurring were released separately on CD.
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That's because they are two separate entities. ;)
Not a big deal either way, but I just find it fascinating that some like to rank/judge albums based off of their own personal version of it. And to be fair, I do with it my own personal version of the last Transatlantic album, but that's their fault for releasing 18 versions, none of which were just right. :P
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Actually another bone I have to pick with SW is all these bonus tracks spread across various releases. It's hard to keep up with and annoying to have x songs on y album but you can also get z songs that are also available on these other formats
Fucking Steven Wilson
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The original Fear CD did not have the Nil Recurring tracks, thus they are not part of the album. Including them on the later-released vinyl was probably more of a "let's put them all on one release" type of thing. Revisionist history, even by the artist, does not change the facts. When Fear of a Blank Planet was released in 2007, it had six songs. No more, no less.
Yes, I consider them 2 different albums. Or 1 album and 1 EP. Even if they were from the same sessions/era..
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Actually another bone I have to pick with SW is all these bonus tracks spread across various releases. It's hard to keep up with and annoying to have x songs on y album but you can also get z songs that are also available on these other formats
Fucking Steven Wilson
I mean, most of the time it's actually pretty simple? Most of the B-sides for In Absentia were released as the Futile EP, there's also the Nil Recurring EP, Recordings, and the bonus disc for C/C... it's a lot better than just having individual songs floating around and not belonging to any official release.
The only time to my knowledge this didn't happen was for Deadwing. That album had a lot of B-sides like Half Light and So-Called Friend that should have been put on an EP like with Futile or Nil Recurring, but it never happened for whatever reason.
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Actually another bone I have to pick with SW is all these bonus tracks spread across various releases. It's hard to keep up with and annoying to have x songs on y album but you can also get z songs that are also available on these other formats
Fucking Steven Wilson
I mean, most of the time it's actually pretty simple? Most of the B-sides for In Absentia were released as the Futile EP, there's also the Nil Recurring EP, Recordings, and the bonus disc for C/C... it's a lot better than just having individual songs floating around and not belonging to any official release.
The only time to my knowledge this didn't happen was for Deadwing. That album had a lot of B-sides like Half Light and So-Called Friend that should have been put on an EP like with Futile or Nil Recurring, but it never happened for whatever reason.
I've been hoping for a Deadwing remaster/re-issue like they did with In Absentia, and collecting all of the session-demos and unused songs, and all of the recorded B-Sides all onto a bonus disc like they did with IA. As far as I know, these are all the non-album songs either written, recorded, and/or released from that time:
Revenant
Mother And Child Divided
Half-Light
So-Called Friend
Christenings
Godfearing
Collecting Space
Maybe some day he'll revisit the album and make everything available from that period.
-Marc.
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I must admit I went into this album a bit skeptical because SW has lost some of his shine for me and I haven't really loved an album since Grace For Drowning and there's been a bit of a decline album to album since, The Future Bites being the low point where I almost felt done with 'loving' his music. PT being dead for a decade also meant I didn't really go back as much and I guess over time the appreciation I once had for PT kinda got covered in dust and cobwebs and it was like a treasure forgotten in time.
But I really like this new album even more than I thought. It's quite telling that I hadn't even pre-ordered the album (I figured I could just get a copy once it came out) but after a few spins I kinda rushed to get the deluxe edition and a colored vinyl because I don't wanna miss out on it. I don't really want to talk about this album in context of their discography and how it fares against their other albums - because that's kinda unfair and recency bias is a thing and some of those other albums I've heard so many times over so many years - it's just not a comparison I can make now. But I think the album is wonderful, I think it has everything we know and like from the band and it still manages to feel like a fresh logical 'next step' from where they left off.
Just feeling happy I'm enjoying it so much because for me this blows HCE/TTB/TFB out of the water.
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I... don't agree. It's a pretty by the numbers album to me personally. I'll be the dissenting opinion.
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For me, Steven Wilson's solo music was finally starting to reach the point where it rivaled the quality of PT - I really enjoyed HCE and TTB, and I'd put them right below the three best PT albums. TFB was unsurprisingly a big nosedive for me and this album's not quite as good as HCE or TTB, so whatever Steven Wilson decides to do next I hope he can reach another peak before too long.
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It is still too early for me to even think about how the new album rates against all of the other PT albums, as well as SW's solo ones, but I just know that I am loving it so far.
Aside from Barbieri and Harrison and their obvious styles, the one thing that really puts the stamp on this sounding very much like PT and not really like a SW solo album is Wilson's guitar playing. His style when it comes to both riffing and soloing is very distinct, and even when he played on his own solo albums, he really shied away from that style outside of the occasional moments. He is not a technical marvel, but I love the way he plays.
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I agree his guitar playing style is a signature of PT's sound. I would probably categorize him as not a great lead guitar player, but a very good rhythm guitar player.
And while I also agree with you Kev that it's too early to rate this against the other albums. I do however think I'm prepared to say Dignity is one of the best songs they've ever written.
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I agree his guitar playing style is a signature of PT's sound. I would probably categorize him as not a great lead guitar player, but a very good rhythm guitar player.
And while I also agree with you Kev that it's too early to rate this against the other albums. I do however think I'm prepared to say Dignity is one of the best songs they've ever written.
Dignity is a good one, for sure. :coolio :coolio
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Kev, I think you will absolutely love Randy McStine as the 2nd guitarist in the band. Great feel and chops and a great voice.
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Kev, I think you will absolutely love Randy McStine as the 2nd guitarist in the band. Great feel and chops and a great voice.
Sweet. Now, if you can talk to the band and get them to add a STL date...
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WillingRegalIndochinesetiger-max-1mb.gif)
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Kev, I think you will absolutely love Randy McStine as the 2nd guitarist in the band. Great feel and chops and a great voice.
Sweet. Now, if you can talk to the band and get them to add a STL date...
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WillingRegalIndochinesetiger-max-1mb.gif)
I am not sure if it was in this thread (or elsewhere) but there was speculation that another North American run will happen next year too.
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This review sums up my own feeling towards this album (https://proglodytes.com/2022/06/24/album-review-porcupine-tree-closure-continuation/)
I hear some excellent tracks with interesting compositional choices, and some absolutely stellar playing. But, I don’t feel the particular affection I have had for other Porcupine Tree/Wilson releases
It's brilliantly executed, it has all the ingredients that should make it work, but I don't know why, I don't really connect to any of the songs.
I remember discovering PT with Signify, and my favorite album is probably Lightbulb Sun, followed closely by In Abstentia. Then my interest faded little by little - although there are flashes of brilliance in every albums.
The situation with Colin, though, is a dick move. Imagine being in a band for over 20 years and receiving an email saying that you won't be needed for the next album... That would be like Petrucci playing the bass on a new DT album, and casually emailing Myung to tell him "he won't be needed".
Sure, it's "SW's band", but he went to do his solo stuff precisely to do whatever else he wanted. Not much respect for his fellow band member there.
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The situation with Colin, though, is a dick move. Imagine being in a band for over 20 years and receiving an email saying that you won't be needed for the next album... That would be like Petrucci playing the bass on a new DT album, and casually emailing Myung to tell him "he won't be needed".
Sure, it's "SW's band", but he went to do his solo stuff precisely to do whatever else he wanted. Not much respect for his fellow band member there.
Agreed. And I'm a big SW fan. But I don't like how that whole thing played out.
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Another way to look at it is, Wilson was the band's original bass player, so he merely took back what used to be his spot. :P
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Another way to look at it is, Wilson was the band's original bass player, so he merely took back what used to be his spot. :P
Honestly, that's close to how I see it. Yeah Steven did Colin dirty, but at the end of the day it's Steven's band and always has been, no matter whoever else has been apart of it for however long. And if SW feels his ideas for the bass parts suit these songs more than what Colin would hypothetically contribute, then he's just gonna handle that role himself in the studio and get a hired gun for the tour so that his bass parts are played how he wants them. And he's doing just that.
Not saying I agree with it, but it doesn't surprise me too much.
I've listened to the new album at least twice every day since it came out. I like it a lot, and I'm enjoying it more with every listen, but I don't know if it's gonna crack my top 5.
My opinion on The Incident has gone up and down over the years, but no matter what, I always thought it was a lackluster conclusion to PT, and I'm glad that it's no longer the conclusion. If C/C is the conclusion, then I think it's a fine one. If this is the beginning of a new chapter of the band, even better.
I think part of my enjoyment of the record comes from the fact that it just feels good to have a new PT album after 13 years, y'know? Half of my life basically :lol
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Not like he hasn't played bass on the latter albums because it fit the leader's vision.
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at the end of the day it's Steven's band and always has been, no matter whoever else has been apart of it for however long. And if SW feels his ideas for the bass parts suit these songs more than what Colin would hypothetically contribute, then he's just gonna handle that role himself in the studio and get a hired gun for the tour so that his bass parts are played how he wants them. And he's doing just that.
Yep, I agree that's exactly what happened.
But if this is SW's band (which it is), one could reasonably wonder what is the point of his solo career. The point of a band is actually to have different people bring something different to the table, so that the result is unique to the combination of these people.
It's an interesting case of what's more important: the human connection, or the "product". Unless there's an obvious dispute, I find that loyalty is something important and that's probably why I find this whole situation rather dire.
Also I'm a bass player, so I'm probably biaised :angel:
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at the end of the day it's Steven's band and always has been, no matter whoever else has been apart of it for however long. And if SW feels his ideas for the bass parts suit these songs more than what Colin would hypothetically contribute, then he's just gonna handle that role himself in the studio and get a hired gun for the tour so that his bass parts are played how he wants them. And he's doing just that.
But if this is SW's band (which it is), one could reasonably wonder what is the point of his solo career. The point of a band is actually to have different people bring something different to the table, so that the result is unique to the combination of these people.
This is the sticking point for me. I remember an interview he did after PT went on hiatus where he expressed that if PT had stayed together it would've sounded like his solo work but listening to C/C that's clearly not the case, C/C is a PT record through and through and not a SW solo joint. Whether SW likes to admit it or not the other members of PT brough character and life to PT that was beyond him even if he did write the music and call all the shots. A performer (or studio musican) will put his touch on the music and over the span of albums that touch will grow to become a trademark sound and Colin is one of those performers.
Personally speaking there is a reason I prefer almost all of PT's output over SW's output and it isn't SW. It's the atmosphere that Richard brings, the sweet laid back groove that Colin brought, and the theatrics that Gavin brought to the table (Chris brought some incredible flavors to the music as well) that all lacks in SW's solo work.
I feel like SW is trying to whitewash Colin's contributions to the group, who knows maybe SW told Colin what bass to pick up, what amps and effects to use, and what pickup to play through but I highly doubt that. Who knows what happened between the band and Colin, maybe Colin said he'd return only if PT did a mumba trance album in 7/2 time signatures and Steven shot him down but knowing how tactless Steven has been in the past I doubt that. This is very on-brand for him (see his comments on Chris during the IA documentary, his comments on EVH, his comments on Colin, his opinions on streaming music).
I've been drinking so this is going to come off as a drunken rant which I might delete later.
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I always found Colin's bass playing added a human touch to what would otherwise be a very clinical band. Not a criticism of the new album or line up in any sense, just an observation.
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I've listened to the new album at least twice every day since it came out. I like it a lot, and I'm enjoying it more with every listen, but I don't know if it's gonna crack my top 5.
My opinion on The Incident has gone up and down over the years, but no matter what, I always thought it was a lackluster conclusion to PT, and I'm glad that it's no longer the conclusion. If C/C is the conclusion, then I think it's a fine one. If this is the beginning of a new chapter of the band, even better.
I think part of my enjoyment of the record comes from the fact that it just feels good to have a new PT album after 13 years, y'know? Half of my life basically :lol
This is me so far as well. I am listening to it multiple times every day, definitely loving it, but I'd be surprised if it ends up as a top 5 PT record for me. They just have too many albums that are so damn great. Always a good problem to have!
I would have been fine with The Incident being their finale since I liked that a lot, but I'd be fine with C/C being it now as well, although this definitely scratches that "I want more PT" itch, so I hope more albums are to come in the future. I have loved SW's solo career, but PT is just a bit more special. :coolio :coolio
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As much as I was skeptical about the reunion, I ended up enjoying the album. Harridan and Rats return are probably my favorites, with the closer and Dignity also being very good. It's a bit difficult to compare it to the earlier stuff, because some of it is untouchable for me. The streak of albums from Lightbulb sun up to and including Fear of the blank planet is tremendous, and I also prefer Stupid dream and Signify over the new one.
But on the bright side, this leaves room for improvement if they end up releasing one more album. :tup
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From their listening party they had the other day, they mentioned it's one of their top 3 albums that includes Fear and In Absentia.
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Man, if I had a nickel for every time an artist said about their new album, "It is (one of) our best!", Elon Musk would be eating his heart out. :P
To be fair, "Our new album isn't one of our better ones," probably isn't a great marketing strategy. :lol
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Man, if I had a nickel for every time an artist said about their new album, "It is (one of) our best!", Elon Musk would be eating his heart out. :P
To be fair, "Our new album isn't one of our better ones," probably isn't a great marketing strategy. :lol
"You know this album isn't really my favorite or best but inflation is a bitch and I gotta pay the bills"
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Man, if I had a nickel for every time an artist said about their new album, "It is (one of) our best!", Elon Musk would be eating his heart out. :P
To be fair, "Our new album isn't one of our better ones," probably isn't a great marketing strategy. :lol
"You know this album isn't really my favorite or best but inflation is a bitch and I gotta pay the bills"
The future bites, indeed.
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Gavin is in the MD magazine:
Modern Drummer July 2022 issue. On the cover @gavinharrisonpage
Gavin talks about the writing and recording of the new Porcupine Tree record Closure / Continuation, playing with Pineapple Thief, his unmistakable sound, English Drumming, Available now at www.moderndrummer.com
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The new album has kinda inspired me to go through their discography and listen back to some albums - because I used to listen to them so much that I got burnt out and some of them I haven't heard in a few years. My main take away - and this might sound controversial though honestly I don't mean for it to - but as much as I love this band, I don't think they made a 10/10 perfect album. Having gone through them, even the best ones have a song or two that very clearly (to me at least) feel weaker than the rest. Not bad - but weaker. But with that said, I do think the band has one of the most consistently good discographies. Their weakest album is still like a 6/10 for me and they have a bunch of very good 8.5 or 9 pointers. I would take their whole discography over some other bands that might have an album or two I would call 10/10 because maybe the rest just drastically declines.
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Gavin is in the MD magazine:
Modern Drummer July 2022 issue. On the cover @gavinharrisonpage
Gavin talks about the writing and recording of the new Porcupine Tree record Closure / Continuation, playing with Pineapple Thief, his unmistakable sound, English Drumming, Available now at www.moderndrummer.com
Can anyone copy and paste the text here?
Nothing against you, but few things are frustrating as being linked to an article or interview where you can't read or watch it without signing up. :censored
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Sorry, Kev, it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to let people know that the current issue of MD has the main article with Gavin Harrison. But now I get why the frustration, so, my bad. I would like to read the article myself.
By the way, anyone can get any back issue of MD separately here:
https://www.moderndrummer.com/product-category/magazine-shop/
BUT only if you wait at least 9 months to be avaible... this selling strategy I don't understand AT ALL. Why not be avaible in the very month? I'm still waiting to appear the January issue with Mangini to purchase. Anyway, nothing to do with this thread.
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No worries at all! That was a general frustration, not meant to be aimed at you. :tup :tup
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I’m very happy with the new record and it can undoubtedly stand proudly in line with the rest of the discography! That’s an accomplishment for sure.
However I wouldn’t know where to rank it just yet in the PT/SW album discography. All I know is I’ve always considered SW a musical genius, where everything he touches turns to gold. This changed with The Future Bites. I still quite like it, but to me it’s easily his weakest album.
With PT I love the atmosphere, riffage and good pop songwriting. The SW albums I like equal but Raven, HCE and to a lesser extent To The Bone had incredible highs with Guthrie Govan’s (and later a few others’) beautiful solos. That’s an element that definitely sets the solo albums apart from PT. I also adore SW’s guitar solos but the solo albums have a special element to it with the ‘sky is the limit’ aspect to the guitar and synth solos. I know that doesn’t really apply to Insurgentes and GfD, but those had respectively a post-punk influence and a jazz-fusion element that made them unique.
PT and SW solo, however not the same, always had that shooting for the stars mentality, or the ‘epic’ ambitions if you will. The Future Bites is daring in its straightforward and electronic approach, but it definitely misses the climaxes SW can do so well. The album had me feared that SW simply wasn’t interested anymore in that type of musical vocabulary.
Closure / Continuation has taken those fears away from me. It’s the type of music I know and love from Wilson. Still, I wouldn’t say it’s a safe sounding album. ‘Harridan’ is definitely a track that needed a lot of spins. In fact, it has been growing on me since it got released as a single. It’s definitely a Gavin showpiece but it’s also really mean sounding with that bass part. It has the SW solo stylings (the loosely timed talking/singing and falsetto scats, the telecaster playing we’ve seen from him since To The Bone) but it also has probably the single heaviest sounding riff I’ve heard on a PT song yet. The calm bridge returns at the end and it concludes on an unresolved chord.. it’s just magical and unforgettable even after countless listens.
‘Chimera’s Wreck’ has this almost Tool-like feel with the triplet-rhythms and chanting from SW. It’s marvelous and something that really caught me off guard. It drives the song forward in a way that feels highly unusual and new for PT.
‘Walk the Plank’ is another standout to me. It sounds like a SW solo electronic track but is enhanced by the PT treatment. Actually Richard brought in the main elements of the track, and this has me excited for more electronic adventures in the future.
‘Dignity’ finally is a beautiful reminder that these are actually some of the people who made ‘Even Less’. It has that innocent sounding melody and atmosphere of the Stupid Dream / Lightbulb Sun era and I absolutely think it’s the best song of the album.
Finally, ‘Love in the Past Tense’ plays somewhat like the ending credits to the album. It sounds particularly carefree and it never ceases to put me in a blissful state of mind. I just love the main vamp of the song and it reminds me a lot of The Incident disc 2, especially ‘Flicker’ for some reason.
Anyway I don’t really have a conclusion yet but I just wanted to write down some of my thoughts on C / C. It’s great stuff!
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Anyway I don’t really have a conclusion yet but I just wanted to write down some of my thoughts on C / C. It’s great stuff!
:tup :tup
Good stuff! (I shortened the quote down to your last sentence for the sake of the page)
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Yes, great summation PixelDream. I agree with most of what you posted.
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That climax at the end of Dignity is pretty special, and is a great example of Richard Barbieri coming up with just the right tone and notes to make it sound awesome despite it not being some technical wonderland.
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So, as not to keep up too much PT talk in the Maiden thread, I am bringing it here. With the PT countdown likely to be the next one, getting a master song list together will be the challenge. The new album will not be included, and I will leave off all of the super short transitional tracks (those likely wouldn't get hardly any votes anyway and it will make the spreadsheet a little less clogged on my end), and then there is the matter of The Sky Moves Sideways. Since the original album had them listed as two tracks, I think including them as two separate songs is the way to go, and likewise with Waiting, and then The Incident song cycle will see all of the tracks listed individually as well (with the short ones on that removed as well). That is what I am thinking so far, but starting that is still a few weeks away, so we have time.
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I'm in (again!).
Agreed, especially about The Incident tracks, because... well, I would like to rank them separately. I know it's one big song, but it does sound more like an conceptual album (only the first CD, of course) or at least 4 songs songs placed in sequence (Occam's Razor to The Yellow Windows...; Time Flies; Degree Zero of Liberty to Circle of Manias; and I Drive the Hearse).
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Good. The Incident is even less of a single song than Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence is.
:neverusethis:
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I'm pretty certain SW prefaced that the bulk of The Incident, the conceptual disc, was a song cycle and not a singular song. It can be a piece of music, but shouldn't be thought of as one song, per se.
There are parts that definitely sound like they were all written together or had other parts in mind, but you could also pluck most of those parts out and perform them as a stand-alone song in a set and not feel like you're missing much (which you probably couldn't say for most of the parts in, say, Transatlantic's The Whirlwind, also released in 2009).
It'll be interesting to see if any songs from TI get played on the upcoming tour.
-Marc.
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I have The Incident / Your Unpleasant Family and Octane Twisted / The Seance / Circle Of Manias grouped together as single tracks for my library.
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That climax at the end of Dignity is pretty special, and is a great example of Richard Barbieri coming up with just the right tone and notes to make it sound awesome despite it not being some technical wonderland.
For sure! That tone reminded me of his lead at the end of 'Even Less'. Those fat-sounding distorted, slow-moving textural notes are really a defining PT trait and Dignity's ending literally made the hair on my arms stand up on first listen.
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So, as not to keep up too much PT talk in the Maiden thread, I am bringing it here. With the PT countdown likely to be the next one, getting a master song list together will be the challenge. The new album will not be included, and I will leave off all of the super short transitional tracks (those likely wouldn't get hardly any votes anyway and it will make the spreadsheet a little less clogged on my end), and then there is the matter of The Sky Moves Sideways. Since the original album had them listed as two tracks, I think including them as two separate songs is the way to go, and likewise with Waiting, and then The Incident song cycle will see all of the tracks listed individually as well (with the short ones on that removed as well). That is what I am thinking so far, but starting that is still a few weeks away, so we have time.
I can help you out a little; he has so much stuff on EPs / B-Sides etc. and while a lot of it probably wouldn't get a lot of votes, some of that stuff is actually really, really good.
There's some difficulties, with indeed The Sky Moves Sideways having multiple versions. What about live versions of songs (for example Coma Divine has a version of Moonloop that's not the same as any studio version, as well as Is..NOT, which is part of TSMS Part 2 - and there's other examples on other live releases :lol ) Are you adding stuff like Nil Recurring, Metanoia, Staircase Infinities, Insignificance, Recordings etc.? What do 'we' do with Voyage 34?
Sorry to make this difficult immediately. I could help out a little, I have all of those I just mentioned, but I don't think my PT collection is complete.
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If "Sky moves sideways" and "Hand cannot erase" are my favourite SW releases by far, should I invest time in the new PT album?
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If "Sky moves sideways" and "Hand cannot erase" are my favourite SW releases by far, should I invest time in the new PT album?
It’s less than 50 minutes, my dude. :lol
Steven Wilson hasn’t really sounded like TSMS since Signify though so I wouldn’t say it’s very comparable to that.
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If "Sky moves sideways" and "Hand cannot erase" are my favourite SW releases by far, should I invest time in the new PT album?
It’s less than 50 minutes, my dude. :lol
You say that as if one only listens to an album once before passing judgement on it, deciding whether or not it was worth their time.
I'm not sure how often people only listen to albums once and do that, especially an album by PT/SW.
-Marc.
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If "Sky moves sideways" and "Hand cannot erase" are my favourite SW releases by far, should I invest time in the new PT album?
It’s less than 50 minutes, my dude. :lol
You say that as if one only listens to an album once before passing judgement on it, deciding whether or not it was worth their time.
I'm not sure how often people only listen to albums once and do that, especially an album by PT/SW.
-Marc.
Yes, but one would think after listening to an album once you would be able to answer the question yourself of whether to give it more time or not.
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I sometimes need several spins with complex albums before I know how I feel about them. Sometimes my initial impression is from from what I end up thinking after 10 spins.
That said, I indeed wanted to stir up some controversy and get unusual opinions on this album and PT in general. I tried to get into this band several times over the years and the two aformentioned albums are the only ones that got under my skin.
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I preordered the deluxe edition from Amazon months ago and I'm still waiting for that thing to ship. :lol
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I emailed LaserCD about the delivery of C/C and this is the response I got (less than 5 minutes after sending):
Sony is still waiting for inventory. They moved street date here to 8/12.
They really screwed up this release
Guess I'll be waiting another 5-6 weeks for my physical copy.
-Marc.
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I wonder if Sony underestimated the demand for C/C?
But surely with pre-orders they had enough of each version pressed to satisfy the demand?
Either way I am glad I went local and got my deluxe CD/BR in person.
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I emailed LaserCD about the delivery of C/C and this is the response I got (less than 5 minutes after sending):
Sony is still waiting for inventory. They moved street date here to 8/12.
They really screwed up this release
Guess I'll be waiting another 5-6 weeks for my physical copy.
-Marc.
Oh dang, thanks for the heads up. I guess I can wait, I mean I originally did order from burning shed but that would have added like $35 for just shipping. so I guess I can wait for now.
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I emailed LaserCD about the delivery of C/C and this is the response I got (less than 5 minutes after sending):
Sony is still waiting for inventory. They moved street date here to 8/12.
They really screwed up this release
Guess I'll be waiting another 5-6 weeks for my physical copy.
-Marc.
Oh dang, thanks for the heads up. I guess I can wait, I mean I originally did order from burning shed but that would have added like $35 for just shipping. so I guess I can wait for now.
Good to know and glad I grabbed that $6.99 digital deluxe deal from Townsend. I thought about emailing Ken but figured it will get here eventually.
I have one listen in and the biggest thing I noticed is SW's voice has dropped quite a bit. Nowhere as high as it used to be.
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Trying to spin the album a bit and sounds good. It has the same issue as always for me with PT, which is basically that the material sounds sameish and there's a certain fatigue that quickly becomes apparent. Not sure if it's the production or just Steven Wilson pretty narrow singing range that somehow makes the songs flow together. It's of course also that the material requires a bit of listening, so I expect that to open up a bit over time.
FOTBP was unusual in that it actually had more "vibrancy" and each song stood out quickly for me. I guess I wish they would experiment a bit more with Steven's voice like they do on Harridan and make the keyboard sounds a bit more vibrant. The keyboard sounds are kind of back there behind the other stuff and usually gets a bit blurry for me. And a song like Never Have I feel that the piano sound lacks something. Maybe it's dynamic range or maybe it's just the lack of timbre, not sure.
With that said there's already some great moments here that does stand out. The album sounds consistent with no apparently bad moments. Harridan is easily the best starting track of their albums with it's stand out groove and Herd Culling sounds like PT making a PT influenced song, in a good way 🤔
The rest sounds cool but my brain still can't separate them from each other at this point.
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If "Sky moves sideways" and "Hand cannot erase" are my favourite SW releases by far, should I invest time in the new PT album?
I'll answer you. YES
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I'm enjoying the fuck out of this album even when I know it's not their best material and there is a lot of recycled riffs or odes to other songs. I'm surprised to see all the positive reactions towards Dignity. That is the only track I don't like and can barely listen to it.
Favorites so far are Never Have, Love in the Past Tense, Rats Return, Harridan and Of The New Day.
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Porcupine Tree - Walk the Plank (In Session, Air Studios) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qXV-cYNZY&ab_channel=PorcupineTreeVEVO)
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I'm enjoying the fuck out of this album even when I know it's not their best material and there is a lot of recycled riffs or odes to other songs. I'm surprised to see all the positive reactions towards Dignity. That is the only track I don't like and can barely listen to it.
Favorites so far are Never Have, Love in the Past Tense, Rats Return, Harridan and Of The New Day.
I’m going to go a step further and make a presumably controversial statement: this new album is, at least to me, their best work.
Now, don’t worry, I’ll show my work.
I am by no means a Steven Wilson acolyte — I’ve checked out every SW-adjacent release over the years, and some of it blows my mind (like the Raven title track), and some of it kinda goes over my head or simply makes me shrug (like most of Grace For Drowning).
Like many, I prefer the ‘metal’ years for PT, and hold In Absentia in particularly high esteem. That said, thus far, the band (or, more specifically, Wilson) has yet to produce what I consider a flawless, ‘love every single second’ album. That is, until now.
C/C is the perfect combination of familiar and foreign, and when taking into account the 3 bonus tracks, it is easily my favorite release of the year. I realize this may be the band’s last hurrah, but after a dozen or so listens, I certainly hope not. After all this time, I’m pretty impressed that Wilson has released something that has so captured my interest. Hats off indeed.
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I'm enjoying the fuck out of this album even when I know it's not their best material and there is a lot of recycled riffs or odes to other songs. I'm surprised to see all the positive reactions towards Dignity. That is the only track I don't like and can barely listen to it.
Favorites so far are Never Have, Love in the Past Tense, Rats Return, Harridan and Of The New Day.
I’m going to go a step further and make a presumably controversial statement: this new album is, at least to me, their best work.
Now, don’t worry, I’ll show my work.
I am by no means a Steven Wilson acolyte — I’ve checked out every SW-adjacent release over the years, and some of it blows my mind (like the Raven title track), and some of it kinda goes over my head or simply makes me shrug (like most of Grace For Drowning).
Like many, I prefer the ‘metal’ years for PT, and hold In Absentia in particularly high esteem. That said, thus far, the band (or, more specifically, Wilson) has yet to produce what I consider a flawless, ‘love every single second’ album. That is, until now.
C/C is the perfect combination of familiar and foreign, and when taking into account the 3 bonus tracks, it is easily my favorite release of the year. I realize this may be the band’s last hurrah, but after a dozen or so listens, I certainly hope not. After all this time, I’m pretty impressed that Wilson has released something that has so captured my interest. Hats off indeed.
I'm not prepared to say it's theirs, or his best work - but it is an excellent excellent album IMO, and certainly in the running for my AOTY. Bravo to all 3 of them for this outstanding release!
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I don't think it's their best one but it feels like a nice summary of 30 years of music from them (and SW solo) and it also adds some new colors to the mix as well. For me it's a significant step up from The Incident (which I don't hate but I rate it as their second weakest studio album) and it feels like it adds something to their discography.
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So, as not to keep up too much PT talk in the Maiden thread, I am bringing it here. With the PT countdown likely to be the next one, getting a master song list together will be the challenge. The new album will not be included, and I will leave off all of the super short transitional tracks (those likely wouldn't get hardly any votes anyway and it will make the spreadsheet a little less clogged on my end), and then there is the matter of The Sky Moves Sideways. Since the original album had them listed as two tracks, I think including them as two separate songs is the way to go, and likewise with Waiting, and then The Incident song cycle will see all of the tracks listed individually as well (with the short ones on that removed as well). That is what I am thinking so far, but starting that is still a few weeks away, so we have time.
To follow up on this one, I will likely start the thread in a week or so, with the submission period lasting a few weeks.
I will get with Puppies_On_Acid to lock down the master song list. :coolio :coolio
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On my way home earlier, during a very orange sunset, I had my CD-r of Deadwing on in my car and it was on the last track, "Half-Light", and I haven't heard it in awhile and my God I forgot how gorgeous this song is. The sunset really helped set the mood for it as well, and it was a great feeling. What a lovely song and probably one of my favorite non-album PT songs!
-Marc.
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So, as not to keep up too much PT talk in the Maiden thread, I am bringing it here. With the PT countdown likely to be the next one, getting a master song list together will be the challenge. The new album will not be included, and I will leave off all of the super short transitional tracks (those likely wouldn't get hardly any votes anyway and it will make the spreadsheet a little less clogged on my end), and then there is the matter of The Sky Moves Sideways. Since the original album had them listed as two tracks, I think including them as two separate songs is the way to go, and likewise with Waiting, and then The Incident song cycle will see all of the tracks listed individually as well (with the short ones on that removed as well). That is what I am thinking so far, but starting that is still a few weeks away, so we have time.
To follow up on this one, I will likely start the thread in a week or so, with the submission period lasting a few weeks.
I will get with Puppies_On_Acid to lock down the master song list. :coolio :coolio
Ah, yes. Let me tweak my list I started and I will send it over to you and then we can fine tune it.
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On my way home earlier, during a very orange sunset, I had my CD-r of Deadwing on in my car and it was on the last track, "Half-Light", and I haven't heard it in awhile and my God I forgot how gorgeous this song is. The sunset really helped set the mood for it as well, and it was a great feeling. What a lovely song and probably one of my favorite non-album PT songs!
-Marc.
That version on Anesthetize is one of my favorite things they've done. Absolutely beautiful.
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Some songs on this album are among their best work. Maybe not quite as strong from beginning to end as Deadwing but the highs are very high. Gavin is in a class with the elites. Simply amazing performance.
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Listened to the very first PT album today after a very long gap probably 15 years or so. It was surprisingly a lot better than I remembered. I was reading the liner notes on discogs.com and SW mentioned that this album really was meant as a collection of ideas of what the band's direction could go in. There are some interesting tracks in there that probably made some of the basis for some tracks in the next 3 albums. I hear some styles of Signify in there and maybe even some Lightbulb sun. Overall it's not as bad as I originally thought. There are two or three tracks are kinda jokey almost but underneath them it has some solid foundation. Radioactive toy is my most listened to track of this album, though the last track has some Sky moves sideways vibes.
I might give this album another listen.
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I can never be too harsh on OTSOL because considering how it was created and in the time it was made, it's almost a miracle that it came out as decent as it did. For me the 2 biggest issues are somewhat easily fixable - the first is the length and I think you could honestly trim close to 30 minutes from this and get rid of the obvious filler stuff and just have the best stuff left. Secondly the helium vocals where if you just change the pitch to a more natural state, or try a different approach (like blending the vocals into the music more) I think you get rid of that instant "Oh dear lord what is this?" reaction when you listen to Jupiter Island or Linton Samuel Dawson for example.
But I won't go to great lengths to defend it or something - it's still the weakest PT album. But I don't think it's complete garbage like some others might do. Nostalgia Factory, Radioactive Toy and Nine Cats in particular stand out. Maybe it's the musician in me who sees something in this, I do stuff by myself like SW did on this album but it was a lot harder to pull off almost 35 years ago compared to today.
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I feel like I’m almost forced to include it as part of their discography when in actuality, it doesn’t feel like it should be. None of this was actually written for an album. It’s more like a collection of demos that were previously done already and being re-packaged into an album.
I put Sunday in the same pile as Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape in my mind, and then UTD as the first proper album.
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I feel like I’m almost forced to include it as part of their discography when in actuality, it doesn’t feel like it should be. None of this was actually written for an album. It’s more like a collection of demos that were previously done already and being re-packaged into an album.
I put Sunday in the same pile as Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape in my mind, and then UTD as the first proper album.
Pretty much what I've been doing, treating Up the Downstairs as the first real album.
Sunday pretty much is a collection of the two cassette tapes that were made along with Yellow Hedgerow around the same period. So honestly it all belongs in the same pile.
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If we exclude OTSOL as a studio album then The Incident is their weakest for me. Still not a bad album but I guess that speaks to the overall consistency of their discography. I don't think they have a 5/5 album to me because even with the best ones I can find some weakness but I would say their discography has albums in the 3.5/5 to the 4.5/5 range and that's pretty great for a band with 11 (or 10) studio albums. :P
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Oh yeah, the band's just got a ridiculously consistent output, even their weakest records have some gems.
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I've never really gotten the appeal behind the first three albums, so even if OTSOL isn't considered a proper album there's still Up The Downstair and TSMS that I'd easily rank below The Incident.
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I've never really gotten the appeal behind the first three albums, so even if OTSOL isn't considered a proper album there's still Up The Downstair and TSMS that I'd easily rank below The Incident.
I think they're both pretty great. A lot of Pink Floyd worshipping but done quite tastefully IMO. The Incident is very okay (I don't think it's bad but it lacks highlights for me) and there's more great songs I vibe with from UTD/TSMS than The Incident - like Always Never, Burning Sky, Fadeaway, The Sky Moves Sideways & Stars Die to name a few.
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In my hunt for the Bill Burr podcast episode with Wolfgang VH talking about Steven Wilson, I came across one he did last week talking a little bit about Prog metal. In it Bill was praising the new PT album to high skies. Was kinda surprised he was a fan of PT, I know he's spoken about Meshuggah before and in this episode he does mention that he hasn't listened to the new album yet. A fan also recommends him Cynic.
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On the Sunday of Life is a good rough draft, with a few songs I enjoy on occasion, but the leap from that to Up the Downstair, to me, was pretty significant. And then once The Sky Moves Sideways dropped, peak Porcupine Tree was reached and stayed at that level for the next decade and a half. :hat :hat
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I mean, technically On the Sunday of Life was the proper album of the Tarquin's Seaweed Farm demo, The Love, Death & Mussolini EP, and The Nostalgia Factory.
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This can be discussed more when the countdown gets going perhaps, but the upgrade from Chris Maitland to Gavin Harrison really wasn't that significant. I listened to Lightbulb Sun yesterday (still possibly my favorite PT record) and came away amazed again by how great all four members were on that record, Maitland included. His ability to groove and stay in the pocket and not overplay (which Harrison is guilty of on occasion), along with Edwin's style, really gives the bottom end a great overall sound.
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This can be discussed more when the countdown gets going perhaps, but the upgrade from Chris Maitland to Gavin Harrison really wasn't that significant. I listened to Lightbulb Sun yesterday (still possibly my favorite PT record) and came away amazed again by how great all four members were on that record, Maitland included. His ability to groove and stay in the pocket and not overplay (which Harrison is guilty of on occasion), along with Edwin's style, really gives the bottom end a great overall sound.
Yeah I love Gavin but I agree. PT were already making good music before Gavin joined and while I appreciate what he brought, I think Maitland would have done a fine job on those later PT albums as well.
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Maitland is a great drummer with excellent feel and sound. His drumming on Russia On Ice is amazing. Love Gavin a lot as well, but I agree that the upgrade isn’t like day and night. They already had a fantastic drummer.
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Maitland is a great drummer with excellent feel and sound. His drumming on Russia On Ice is amazing. Love Gavin a lot as well, but I agree that the upgrade isn’t like day and night. They already had a fantastic drummer.
Yes! Actually, his drumming on Lightbulb Sun in general is fantastic. It's my favorite performance of his among the albums he played on.
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I've been making homemade music since the 80s, and while yes they're not the same as a real studio recording, I can appreciate the older albums. I love Jupiter Island, and I think the music he made is amazing with what basic equipment he had.
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Been listening to a ton of older and the unreleased rare PT stuff, I kinda listened to it in order of release with a few exceptions, needed a break from the experimental stuff so stuck Nil Recurring in there. It's very interesting to listen to the evolution of the sound from being a one mand band to have an album composed and written with other band members. A great variety is there. And some of the stuff from the demos and improv sessions have some really good gems in there.
I particulary really like the 2nd half of the Sky moves sideways thats on the bonus disc. Really good stuff. Same with the full version of Even Less, hadn't heard it in ages but still love that tribal/tom beat pattern Chris had going. Recordings on its own could really be an official album and I'd have zero complaints. Not a bad song on there.
On The Sunday of Life
Up The Downstairs
Up The Downstairs - Disc 2 aka 'Staircase Infinities'
Voyage 34 - The complete Trip
The Sky Moves Sideways
The Sky Moves Sideways - Disc 2
Signify
Signify - Disc 2 aka 'Insignificance'
Recordings
Nil Recurring
Next up
Metanoia
Transmission IV
Stars Die '91-'97
Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape
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Recording as an actual studio album would have been a letdown overall, though, especially following Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun, both of which are jam packed from start to finish with nothing but great songs. It has a handful of fantastic songs, but Recordings, IMO, has a few average songs, so I like that it was released as a compilation album.
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Of course, Recordings wouldn't have worked as an official album at the time as you said after those two amazing releases, I was speaking more in retrospect. I became a fan of the band after In Absentia came out so at the time Recordings was an extremely hard to find CD with its limited release and all. It was also difficult to find it somewhere to download at the time. From all the compilations and B-sides that is definitely my favorite collection.
That said Stars Die '91-'97 was a great listen. The extended Synesthesia and Signify II tracks are my personal highlights. Metanoia is more a loose jam set of ideas so apart from certain sections, it's mostly just improv jams. The 40 min edition Moonloop is an interesting track. I think it has very interesting parts but again mostly a series of jams.
Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape is next and I think that's the last of all the B-sides compilations albums. I can then finally dive into the albums from Stupid Dream all the way to The Incident again.
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I haven't listened to the extended Synesthesia in forever. I need to revisit that one.
The Metannoia jams are okay, but they seem mostly inferior to the ones on the proper studio albums of that era, so I rarely feel the urge to turn on that one.
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Porcupine Tree - Coma Coda (180g opaque red vinyl)
Pre-order now: https://burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree
This is a limited one-off pressing of additional tracks from our live recordings at the Frontiera Club, Rome in March 1997.
When we made our first official live album Coma Divine, we decided to record our 3 night stand at Rome's Frontiera club in order to capture as much repertoire as possible. The original live album was almost entirely drawn from the third and final night, but this new selection of material comes from the second night. As well as alternate versions of Signify, Dislocated Day (incomplete but fun because of an impromptu drum solo!), and Radioactive Toy, this selection includes several songs that were not chosen to be on Coma Divine. Most notable among these is an unreleased group composition Cryogenics that was prepared especially for the concert recording, but didn't make the cut and was subsequently never played again.
The original Coma Divine album was subject to a fair amount of repairs and overdubs to bring it up to a high audio standard. These new selections are exactly as recorded on the night so there are some technical and performance shortcomings which we hope won't spoil your listening enjoyment!
Mastered for vinyl by Steven Wilson in 2021 and with new artwork by Carl Glover. In a gatefold with printed inner sleeves.
Pre-order for August 19 release from Burning Shed. Also available in a bundle with the remaining copies of House Of Blues.
Speaking of the jams from Metanoia, I am just now listening to this album on bandcamp (https://porcupinetreeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/coma-coda-rome-1997) and realized that the piece titled "Cryogenics" pulls from those sessions.
-Marc.
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Yup Cryogenics is a fun piece, I listen to those bandcamp releases and they are fun like that Coma Coda album among others.
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*FINALLY* got my shipment notification from LaserCD for my special edition of Closure/Continuation.
-Marc.
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*FINALLY* got my shipment notification from LaserCD for my special edition of Closure/Continuation.
-Marc.
Was just about to post the same thing.
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*FINALLY* got my shipment notification from LaserCD for my special edition of Closure/Continuation.
-Marc.
Was just about to post the same thing.
Make that 3!
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Mine arrived from Amazon today.
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There is now an official Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson Discord server! By joining the server you can get all the latest announcements (without addictive news feeds, ads and endless scrolling!), chat with fellow listeners, participate in community events and more: https://discord.gg/2pVqx5GUYm
This totally won't go south fast... :lol
But hey, if you use Discord, and you want to see what goes down, might as well join the server!
-Marc.
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I'm going to join so I can make a sincere and impassioned case as to why Limp Bizkit was one of the best bands of the 90's.
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SW likes being contrarian enough that he might side with you.
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*FINALLY* got my shipment notification from LaserCD for my special edition of Closure/Continuation.
-Marc.
Was just about to post the same thing.
Make that 3!
Finally arrived today and loving the blu-ray audio. the stereo is sublime on my headphones.
After reading this (https://www.techradar.com/features/this-60-speaker-system-is-like-dolby-atmos-on-steroids-and-it-blew-my-mind)of how the Atmos mix sounds, I'm so tempted to get some kind of Atmos setup for home.
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Still trying to figure out if Closure/Continuation is an all-timer or not. How does it fare for you all after a couple of months?
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It's nice but will probably end up somewhere in the middle for me.
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I thought it was fine, but it hasn't really made me go back to it. I haven't listened to it since the week it came out.
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I'm digging it way more than before, once I got the blu-ray, listening to that on headphones has been fantastic. It elevated the experience for sure.
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I keep playing on repeat the last two bonus tracks Never Have and Love in the Past Tense. Those are my favorites. This would be my ranking of PT albums from the Gavin era as of today. I think C/C has the potential of leap frogging In Absentia but I don't think it will top Deadwing or FOTBP.
1. Deadwing
2. Fear of the Blank Planet / Nil Recurring
3. In Absentia
4. Closure/Continuation
5. The Incident (personally, I would put Disc 2 on top of Disc 1)
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Those two bonus tracks have become my favorites as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing the live show in a few weeks! I wonder if they are doing any tour rehearsals yet? It would be neat to observe that and see how it all comes together. I've seen them 4 or 5 times and I have a feeling this tour will be really spectacular.
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Those two bonus tracks have become my favorites as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing the live show in a few weeks! I wonder if they are doing any tour rehearsals yet? It would be neat to observe that and see how it all comes together. I've seen them 4 or 5 times and I have a feeling this tour will be really spectacular.
I'm very interested in seeing SW as the front man with PT. If you have seen PT before the hiatus and attended/watched some of the SW solo shows, you can tell that he is a totally different front man.
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Those two bonus tracks have become my favorites as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing the live show in a few weeks! I wonder if they are doing any tour rehearsals yet? It would be neat to observe that and see how it all comes together. I've seen them 4 or 5 times and I have a feeling this tour will be really spectacular.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0sBZWRS1jLtAwGMNrjZQQa6xuzQjxkSFouuEDvGt3wx2Dqnn5rz2DMv2YgAWQb9cHl&id=100044495613732
"@porcupinetreeofficial rehearsals day one, sounding massive, see you somewhere out there!"
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Still trying to figure out if Closure/Continuation is an all-timer or not. How does it fare for you all after a couple of months?
All-Timer for me. Not my favorite PT album (that would be Deadwing for me), but definitely in my top 3 or 4.
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I would say it's in the upper half of their discography and I'd probably take it over half the other Gavin albums so I'm still happy with it.
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I would put the new album below the IA -> FoaBP run, but comfortably above The Incident, and it may beat out Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream for me as well.
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My opinion is similar to what it was a month or so ago in that I am a big fan of C/C, but I doubt it will break my PT top 5. That says more about how highly I think of most of their studio albums than it does about any alleged flaws about the new record, which is pretty fantastic overall.
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My opinion is similar to what it was a month or so ago in that I am a big fan of C/C, but I doubt it will break my PT top 5. That says more about how highly I think of most of their studio albums than it does about any alleged flaws about the new record, which is pretty fantastic overall.
I think I feel the same way. My Top 5 PT albums have been TSMS, SD, IA, DW, and FOABP, in some varying orders. I really like C/C so far, but I'm not sure it'll top either of those, but it comes VERY close. Maybe it might become 5b and tie with fifth place. On the upside, it's been in my car CD player for about 2 or 3 weeks straight!
-Marc.
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I would put the new album below the IA -> FoaBP run, but comfortably above The Incident, and it may beat out Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream for me as well.
I rank it nearly the same as you but just below The Incident. I think the new one is more consistently better, but I enjoyed some higher highs with The Incident. This could just be the difference between where my tastes are now than back in 2009.
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My opinion is similar to what it was a month or so ago in that I am a big fan of C/C, but I doubt it will break my PT top 5. That says more about how highly I think of most of their studio albums than it does about any alleged flaws about the new record, which is pretty fantastic overall.
Same here. Gave it a listen today after taking a break from it for a couple weeks. My opinion hasn’t changed. It just a solid record all around but my top 5 remains the same.
My top 5 is:
1. FOABP
2. In Absentia
3. Lightbulb Sun
4. Deadwing
5. Signify
C/C sits comfortably at #6 and I don’t see that changing.
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My worthless .02:
I enjoy C/C and it is better than The Incident, for which I am thankful. But I prefer the IA>FOABP run more.
Really looking forward to the show next month. I have seen PT once, on The Incident tour in San Francisco. If I remember right, it was a show in SF, then LA, as warm ups, and then it was off across the Pacific for them. Karnivool was opening. What a bill.
I had tickets to see both the tours prior, but was sick both times. ::) So annoyed I missed those gigs, but glad I got to see them in 2012. And now, 10 years later. :metal
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It's a pretty good album to me, yet I'd put it in the mid of their discography. That's just how crazy good their other albums are.
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I should probably give this a listen at some point just to see what I think of it.
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Tour finally starts tonight. :metal :metal
Can't wait to see the set list to see what they are playing.
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Seeing them Wednesday Kev!! :metal
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Seeing them Wednesday Kev!! :metal
#jealous
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Tour finally starts tonight. :metal :metal
Can't wait to see the set list to see what they are playing.
My predictions - The set will be heavy on In Absentia, Deadwing, FOABP, and C/C of course, and they'll throw in two pre-IA songs. My guesses will be "Even Less" and "Dislocated Day".
I'm curious as to how much of C/C will be played, and if they'll include any of the three bonus tracks in the set as well.
-Marc.
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They did say that SW and Richard will do an older PT song on stage with just the two of them (I think both on keys). I could see that being How Is Your Life Today?
A lot of IA, Fear (era) and the new album is a given, and while I don't think they will hit Deadwing as hard, I won't be surprised to see a few tunes (Lazarus, Open Car, Halo being the most obvious guesses). I suspect they will ignore The Incident altogether.
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They did say that SW and Richard will do an older PT song on stage with just the two of them (I think both on keys). I could see that being How Is Your Life Today?
A lot of IA, Fear (era) and the new album is a given, and while I don't think they will hit Deadwing as hard, I won't be surprised to see a few tunes (Lazarus, Open Car, Halo being the most obvious guesses). I suspect they will ignore The Incident altogether.
If they do ANYTHING from The Incident album, it'll probably be from the second disc and not anything from the song cycle itself. "How Is Your Life Today?" would be a nice one! As a fan of Deadwing, I'm hoping they'll play a couple songs from it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they largely ignored it considering how heavy it was featured in many of the band's latter live albums and tours before 2011.
-Marc.
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No setlist spoilers!
Seeing them on Wednesday, can't wait.
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They’re playing DC next Sunday. Debating on going. I missed them last time they came to town, right before the hiatus. The Anthem is a beautiful venue, I saw King Crimson there a year ago tomorrow.
But DC traffic :mehlin
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No setlist spoilers!
Seeing them on Wednesday, can't wait.
Me too! Can't wait to check out the new theater!!
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No setlist spoilers!
Seeing them on Wednesday, can't wait.
Me too! Can't wait to check out the new theater!!
Since this randomly happened to me and TAC the last Dream Theater show, you wouldn't happen to be right next to Section 203 Row 6 would you? :lol
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:lol
Mezzle row B seats 5 & 6.
Going out to dinner with an old DTF friend Rumborak.
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I won't list the set list or any spoilers, but if what is on setlist.fm is correct, I need to plan a road trip ASAP. :lol :lol
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Assuming the show is done and the set is accurate, that set list is NUTS!
I seriously considered going to the DC show just now but after doing the mental math for the trip, I'd be dropped over $250 and that's if I get nosebleed seat. :'(
-Marc.
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Oh my god that setlist. :eek
Yeah a DC trip just isn’t in the cards for me either this time. But here’s hoping they release a Blu-Ray from the tour.
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Wednesday brothers. My nipples are rock hard.
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Just knowing John Wesley won't be there to ruin songs with his awful solos just makes them that much harder.
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:lol
Mezzle row B seats 5 & 6.
Going out to dinner with an old DTF friend Rumborak.
He better be in Rumborka mode by the time you guys get to the venue.
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Setlist looks good but I can't call it great because I think a few albums just lack representation to make it really pop.
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Setlist looks good but I can't call it great because I think a few albums just lack representation to make it really pop.
Considering this could be the last PT tour ever, would have been nice to have a more diverse setlist. Maybe pull out some more stuff they never played live.
I also don't know why Steve feels the need to play Halo on every tour. That song is just so.....meh...
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Do yourself a favor and don't read the set list if you can/if you haven't. So many good surprises last night in TO. Incredible show.
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Very nice setlist indeed. I may need to drive up to LA and see them.
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Just knowing John Wesley won't be there to ruin songs with his awful solos just makes them that much harder.
This will make the show that much better!
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I took a peek at the setlist. It looks great. I could do with a couple more songs from Deadwing, but no real complaints here. Looks like an amazing night of music. Looking forward to San Francisco!
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According to my Facebook memories, I came home from Best Buy with Muse's The Resistance and Porcupine Tree's The Incident on this day 13 years ago. Both albums released on September 14th.
Happy 13th Birthday to TI - I am giving it a spin before bed tonight. How has everyone's thoughts on the album changed over the last 13 years, especially now that the band have returned. Do you like it more, or less? Or perhaps you haven't even heard it since 2009?
-Marc.
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The Incident is still pretty great, to my ears. I love the sound and vibe of it, and some of my favorite PT songs ever are from this record, most notably I Drive the Hearse and Bonnie the Cat. Despite the obvious nods to Floyd, Time Flies is also damn good, and I am really high on Flicker and The Incident (track 6) as well. Really, the only songs on the album I am not really high on are the interlude tracks in the suite like Occam's Razor and Degree Zero of Liberty, and Remember Me Lover (solid, but not that memorable).
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I had a PT binge a few weeks ago, which was the first time I'd listened to The Incident in years. I was pretty disappointed with it when it came out and felt it was a big step down from most of what came before it. But listening again, I enjoyed it more than I expected, which was a pleasant surprise. Though it's still a fair way down my rankings. Speaking of which...
Fear of a Blank Planet
In Absentia
Deadwing
Closure/Continuation
Stupid Dream
Signify
The Incident
Lightbulb Sun
The Sky Moves Sideways
Something like that. I haven't listened to the first 2 albums again yet, but I rarely played them in the past either.
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If you haven't started collecting PT's albums yet, take a look at this MASSIVE 13-disc boxset featuring pretty much everything they recorded during their Delirium Years.
(https://burningshed.com/store/kscope/porcupine-tree_the-delerium-years-1991-1997_boxset)
Unfortunately I already own most of this material on disc, and the only thing that entices me is having the 40-minute unedited "Moonloop" on disc. Otherwise, I've got pretty much all of it already. If I didn't, it would totally be worth the $107 price tag.
-Marc.
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If you haven't started collecting PT's albums yet, take a look at MASSIVE 13-disc boxset featuring pretty much everything they recorded during their Delirium Years
(https://burningshed.com/store/kscope/porcupine-tree_the-delerium-years-1991-1997_boxset)
Unfortunately I already own most of this material on disc, and the only thing that entices me is having the 40-minute unedited "Moonloop" on disc. Otherwise, I've got pretty much all of it already. If I didn't, it would totally be worth the $107 price tag.
-Marc.
WOW. That's a great deal for someone starting their PT collection. I'm not a huge fan of that era of the band, but for those who are, who want the physical stuff from that era, that is perfect. And a steal at that price point if you don't have any of it.
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That is surprisingly a good deal and I don't own any of those albums, I might have to pick that up
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I already have most of that material and I’m still tempted just for the stuff I don’t have and the “I collect stuff” angle of it.
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/porcupine-tree-announce-uk-outdoor-show-for-summer-2023
So... continuation?
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https://porcupinetreeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/athens-1995
1. The Sky Moves Sideways (Athens) 12:27
2. Isnot / Radioactive Toy (Athens) 18:26
3. Signify (Athens) 05:46
4. Waiting (Athens) 04:30
5. Moonloop (Athens) 12:04
6. Dislocated Day (Athens) 05:54
7. The Moon Touches Your Shoulder / Always Never (Athens) 11:18
8. Burning Sky (Athens) 11:57
9. Voyage 34 (Athens) 12:56
10. Up the Downstair (Athens) 07:46
About this album
A restored mixing desk recording of the complete 103 minute performance given by PT on their first ever visit to Greece, 2 days before Christmas 1995. It captures the band between albums, premiering some new material from what will become Signify, as well as most of then current album The Sky Moves Sideways. As with all board tapes it favours the instruments with no amplification from the stage, so Richard Barbieri's keyboards have a high profile here (no bad thing!)
What a wonderful surprise! A full live show featuring a ton of TSMS-era material! Cannot wait to listen to this!
-Marc.
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It's fantastic so far. One of these days I should just suck up and download them all from bandcamp. They're great releases and I just listen on the website most times.
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It's fantastic so far. One of these days I should just suck up and download them all from bandcamp. They're great releases and I just listen on the website most times.
Now is the time to do just this, currently 30% off if you buy the whole lot together.
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Deadwing Deluxe coming March 3rd, 2023.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3fKrxQVdVg
https://burningshed.com/porcupine-tree_deadwing_boxset
https://twitter.com/PorcupineTree/status/1602713539885547522
We’re happy to announce the Deluxe Hardback Book Edition of our 8th Album Deadwing, available via
@transmissionpt
on March 3rd 2023.
Pre-order now: https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/Deadwing
#PorcupineTree #DeadwingDeluxe
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fj37T6MXkAYxFZs?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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I cannot wait for this! I missed out on the IA set but I won't be missing out on this one!
Tracklist for the curious, lifted from Burning Shed.
CD1 Deadwing CD (2018 remaster)
1 Deadwing [09:46]
2 Shallow [04:17]
3 Lazarus [04:19]
4 Halo [04:39]
5 Arriving Somewhere But Not Here [12:02]
6 Mellotron Scratch [06:57]
7 Open Car [03:44]
8 Start Of Something Beautiful [07:43]
9 Glass Arm Shattering [06:08]
CD2 B-Sides
1 Revenant [03:05]
2 So Called Friend [04:49]
3 Shesmovedon [04:55]
4 Mother And Child Divided [05:00]
5 Half Light [06:38]
CD3 Demos
1 Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (demo) [13:03]
2 Godfearing (demo) [04:57]
3 Lazarus (demo) [04:10]
4 Open Car (demo) [05:08]
5 Vapour Trails (demo) [03:53]
6 Shallow (demo) [04:15]
7 Deadwing (demo) [10:35]
8 Mother And Child Divided (demo) [05:02]
9 Instrumental Demo 1 [05:19]
10 Halo (demo) [04:50]
11 Instrumental Demo 2 [05:23]
12 So Called Friend (demo) [05:01]
13 Glass Arm Jam [04:19]
Blu-ray Documentary Film, Rockpalast Broadcast & Extras
1 Never Stop the Car on a Drive in the Dark (Deadwing documentary [54:20]
2 Lazarus (promo video) [04:19]
3 Deadwing (remastered album 96/24 LPCM stereo) [59:37]
4 Deadwing B-sides (96/24 LPCM stereo) [25:25]
5 Deadwing 5.1 surround sound mix (by Elliot Scheiner and SW) [59:37]
6 Intro (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [00:35]
7 Blackest Eyes (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [04:33]
8 Lazarus (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [03:58]
9 Futile (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [02:31]
10 Interview (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [06:02]
11 Mother And Child Divided (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [04:50]
12 So Called Friend (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [05:00]
13 Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast [12:24]
14 Sound Of Muzak (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [05:06]
15 Interview 2 (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [01:20]
16 Start Of Something Beautiful (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [07:24]
17 Halo (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [05:03]
18 Interview 3 (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [03:35]
19 Radioactive Toy (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast) [06:05]
20 Trains (Rockpalast WDR TV broadcast
-Marc.
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How did you mis out on the IA deluxe set? It's still available for a decent price.
Already pre-ordered the Deadwing deluxe from Burning Shed.
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How did you mis out on the IA deluxe set? It's still available for a decent price.
Already pre-ordered the Deadwing deluxe from Burning Shed.
I just didn't have the money at the time! Where can I still find it at a good price? I might have some Christmas money to spend in a couple weeks!
-Marc.
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I ordered my IA set from Amazon.
As for the new Deadwing set, I just pre-ordered it as well. But man... $117.49 USD with shipping. Ouch.
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Oh, I want this Deadwing set, especially for the bonus material. I bought the IA set very late from Amazon and don't want to be late on this one. Going to hold off and see if Amazon or Laser CD lists it here. Shipping costs from Burning Shed are nuts.
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How did you mis out on the IA deluxe set? It's still available for a decent price.
Already pre-ordered the Deadwing deluxe from Burning Shed.
I just didn't have the money at the time! Where can I still find it at a good price? I might have some Christmas money to spend in a couple weeks!
-Marc.
Laser CD has it for $90. Amazon also has it but they will ship it from the UK. That one is $76 right now.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/absentia-3cdblu-ray-deluxe-edition
https://www.amazon.com/Absentia-Disc-Deluxe-100pg-book/dp/B082QFYW6R/ref=tmm_acd_title_3?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1671041448&sr=1-3
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Oh, I want this Deadwing set, especially for the bonus material. I bought the IA set very late from Amazon and don't want to be late on this one. Going to hold off and see if Amazon or Laser CD lists it here. Shipping costs from Burning Shed are nuts.
Ken confirmed in the LaserCD forum he will carry it. Usually they carry it a month after BurningShed sells it.
I'm very stoked for this one. Deadwing is probably my favorite PT album, including the B-sides...however, it does have my least favorite song which is Lazarus :rollin
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Oh, I want this Deadwing set, especially for the bonus material. I bought the IA set very late from Amazon and don't want to be late on this one. Going to hold off and see if Amazon or Laser CD lists it here. Shipping costs from Burning Shed are nuts.
Ken confirmed in the LaserCD forum he will carry it. Usually they carry it a month after BurningShed sells it.
I'm very stoked for this one. Deadwing is probably my favorite PT album, including the B-sides...however, it does have my least favorite song which is Lazarus :rollin
Ken has a forum? Where can I find that? Either way, looks like he'll get my money for this one.
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Ken is one of my favorite members of the Sea Of Tranquility crew. If he ships stuff to Europe, he might just get himself a customer. ;D
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Deadwing is my favorite (and introduction) PT album but I'm at a point in my life - with thousands of albums - that I have to ask myself, how often will I actually listen to all the extras? And the answer is, not much. The original is all I need. Very beautiful package though. Those who buy it will probably enjoy it.
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Oh, I want this Deadwing set, especially for the bonus material. I bought the IA set very late from Amazon and don't want to be late on this one. Going to hold off and see if Amazon or Laser CD lists it here. Shipping costs from Burning Shed are nuts.
Ken confirmed in the LaserCD forum he will carry it. Usually they carry it a month after BurningShed sells it.
I'm very stoked for this one. Deadwing is probably my favorite PT album, including the B-sides...however, it does have my least favorite song which is Lazarus :rollin
Here you go. You will probably need to register on the Ultimate Metal site first.
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/vendor/lasers-edge/
Ken has a forum? Where can I find that? Either way, looks like he'll get my money for this one.
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I'm very stoked for this one. Deadwing is probably my favorite PT album, including the B-sides...however, it does have my least favorite song which is Lazarus :rollin
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Wow, I love Lazarus. ha ha ha.
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Deadwing is my favorite (and introduction) PT album but I'm at a point in my life - with thousands of albums - that I have to ask myself, how often will I actually listen to all the extras? And the answer is, not much. The original is all I need. Very beautiful package though. Those who buy it will probably enjoy it.
I'm a sucker for documentaries. The In Absentia Making of is very well done so I'm almost pretty sure we are going to get an excellent Deadwing documentary.
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Thanks to this thread I listened to Deadwing last night. Such a moody album.
Also, has anyone ever heard SW talk about why trains are so prevalent in his music? I just have this feeling that something monumental impacted his life and it had something to do with trains.
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Also, has anyone ever heard SW talk about why trains are so prevalent in his music? I just have this feeling that something monumental impacted his life and it had something to do with trains.
They turn him on.
Real answer: he lived next to a train station as a kid so they're a big source of nostalgia for him.
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Deadwing is my favorite (and introduction) PT album but I'm at a point in my life - with thousands of albums - that I have to ask myself, how often will I actually listen to all the extras? And the answer is, not much. The original is all I need. Very beautiful package though. Those who buy it will probably enjoy it.
I'm a sucker for documentaries. The In Absentia Making of is very well done so I'm almost pretty sure we are going to get an excellent Deadwing documentary.
I am too, and yes, IA was really good. Looking forward to the Deadwing one.
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Finally got time to listen to C/C, THAT'S a proper PT album. It makes Incident sound like a whole other band.
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I don't really remember much about The Incident, I think I heard it once or twice.
But C/C is an amazing album, sonically it rips to shreds just about everything I've heard in a long time.
Production, mix and mastering are spot on, something or a rarity in metal these days.
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Yeah, but C/C isn't metal.
I will take The Incident over C/C. C/C is very good, but I feel like The Incident has higher highs, plus it dominated my CD player much more than C/C has. As much as I love PT, C/C has not been album I have obsessed over for weeks at a time. Ya know, that feeling when you get a new album and it is so good that you listen to at least once a day for weeks, maybe months. That happened with Deadwing, Fear and The Incident. It has not happened with C/C.
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Yeah, but C/C isn't metal.
I will take The Incident over C/C. C/C is very good, but I feel like The Incident has higher highs, plus it dominated my CD player much more than C/C has. As much as I love PT, C/C has not been album I have obsessed over for weeks at a time. Ya know, that feeling when you get a new album and it is so good that you listen to at least once a day for weeks, maybe months. That happened with Deadwing, Fear and The Incident. It has not happened with C/C.
Thank you for stating the bleeding obvious :lol
My point was that it's such a great sounding album, unlike many nearly all metal albums of the past few years.
Played The Incident in my car this afternoon, and I lasted four songs and had to turn it off, it sounded annoyingly bad to my ears and I really have no desire to hear it again anytime soon.
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My one hang-up with the song cycle on The Incident are the short intro and interlude tracks (Occam's Razor, Degree Zero of Liberty) that merely sound like ambient pieces with loud crashing chords. They do nothing for me whatsoever, and I always skip them. I know the chorus to Drawing the Line is a major hair in the soup for many, but I like it, and the verses to that song are so darn good that I have no problem with a chorus that is merely solid in that one.
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The Incident and C/C are pretty much tied in my rankings tbh. They're both good albums that I enjoy a lot, but they definitely don't hit that same level that the IA-FOABP run achieved.
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I liked the Incident back when I first got into PT, and all I knew of them was that album and Fear. Now that I've heard the rest of their catalog, all I see it as is a collection of half-finished songs and interludes with a few gems here and there. Most notably The Blind House, Times Flies, and I Drive the Hearse. SW seems to feel more or less the same based on his comments in his autobiography.
I still like more than the first 2 albums, but it's not something I go back to often.
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I liked the Incident back when I first got into PT, and all I knew of them was that album and Fear. Now that I've heard the rest of their catalog, all I see it as is a collection of half-finished songs and interludes with a few gems here and there. Most notably The Blind House, Times Flies, and I Drive the Hearse. SW seems to feel more or less the same based on his comments in his autobiography.
I still like more than the first 2 albums, but it's not something I go back to often.
I read that too and was wondering if that was the case from the beginning, or if time has changed his opinion on that record.
SW doesn't seem to be the guy to release records he's not happy with.
And if he didn't have enough material, why make it a double album with four additional songs?
And why play The Incident in it's entirety on the following tour, when he thinks the record and concept is subpar?
And right at the beginning in the book he says that he lied in a lot of interviews and that he's probably lying in his book too. So he basically said we should take everything he says with a grain of salt. :D
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Fair point!
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Fair point!
Or maybe complete rubbish, I don't know. ;D
It's just that I like The Incident quite a bit and maybe I'm just annoyed, that SW critized it so openly.
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The Incident and C/C are pretty much tied in my rankings tbh. They're both good albums that I enjoy a lot, but they definitely don't hit that same level that the IA-FOABP run achieved.
I'm pretty much right with you on this. I think The Incident would have been much better with some of the fat trimmed off it.
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I would take SW's opinions with a grain of salt, as he tends to be pretty critical of a lot of his past work, and what he says usually depends on what musical mood he is in that year.
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There’s very little from the incident that I revisit. Even Time Flies, which I loved at first, didn’t age very well. Steven has always paid some homage to his heroes, but Time Flies just came across as too derivative to me.
One thing I do like about the album though is that Gavin puts on a clinic! He is always fun to listen to. Especially on the title track. From the main album, I do really enjoy Blind House, The Incident, and I Drive the Hearse. Not much else. The 2nd disc is at least more consistent. Bonnie the Cat is a standout. But they are all pretty good. I put that 2nd disc on equal footing with the Nil Recurring EP.
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I Drive the Hearse and Bonnie the Cat will both rank pretty high for me once we finally get around to doing the PT top songs countdown in 2025.
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
I don't know I feel like it's a pretty consistent 7/10 album throughout that flows pretty well as a song cycle but just lacks those individual standout tracks. FOABP mostly consists of bangers and nothing on The Incident comes close to Anesthetize for example. But The Incident is just kinda designed that way, I mean 8 out of the 14 songs on disc 1 are essentially building block/transitional tracks and you have a few fleshed out songs sprinkled in. The fleshed out songs aren't bad but a song like The Blind House just feels like a lesser Blackest Eyes to me.
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
I don't know I feel like it's a pretty consistent 7/10 album throughout that flows pretty well as a song cycle but just lacks those individual standout tracks. FOABP mostly consists of bangers and nothing on The Incident comes close to Anesthetize for example. But The Incident is just kinda designed that way, I mean 8 out of the 14 songs on disc 1 are essentially building block/transitional tracks and you have a few fleshed out songs sprinkled in. The fleshed out songs aren't bad but a song like The Blind House just feels like a lesser Blackest Eyes to me.
I totally get this. Like you said, the majority of the songs in the song cycle are interlude/transitional tracks, so if the fully fleshed songs are not ones that really grab you, it can feel underwhelming.
Even though I defend it, I admittedly do not listen to it that much anymore. There are songs I will revisit often, but as a whole, it doesn't get much play with me these days, which probably has more to do with SW's entire discography, as I feel in the mood for something SW-related, there are so many great albums from which to choose, so one that is merely very good for me, like The Incident, just doesn't get to the front of the line.
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Octane Twisted / The Seance / Circle Of Manias is underrated.
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Octane Twisted / The Seance / Circle Of Manias is underrated.
Yep, I love that run of songs. Incidentally, I have all three combined as one track in my iTunes. :tup :tup
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Octane Twisted / The Seance / Circle Of Manias is underrated.
Yep, I love that run of songs. Incidentally, I have all three combined as one track in my iTunes. :tup :tup
Same. :biggrin:
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
It's easily better than FOABP.
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
It's easily better than FOABP.
Now now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. :lol
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Octane Twisted / The Seance / Circle Of Manias is underrated.
That might actually be my favorite part of the album. :tup
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
It's easily better than FOABP.
Negative, Ghostrider.
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
It's easily better than FOABP.
Consider this a periodic reminder of the dangers of going full Nick.
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It's pretty crazy to me how people don't like The Incident. I immediately liked it more than FOABP.
It's easily better than FOABP.
I pretty much said this when The Incident came out in 2009, but almost by default I assumed it would be because how underwhelming FOABP was to me.
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What’s always been weird to me about PT, is that they are the only band in my top 5 all time where I like about 80% of most of their albums, but they don’t have a single “flawless” album.
Rush, Dream Theater, Haken, heck…even Pain of Salvation and Fates Warning have albums that (to me) are just absolutely perfect from start to finish. But PT just has 9 out of 11 albums that I consider to be amazing, but not quite perfect (OTSOL and TI are slightly more flawed and belong in the “pretty good I guess” category)
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That's actually a great point jammin. I think IA comes close but even then there are some clunkers.
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I definitely do not agree, as I think the majority of their albums have nothing but songs I consider above average, with the majority or most being great. And in the case of albums like Signify or The Sky Moves Sideways, the short interlude tracks are very nice in helping with the flow of the record. But hey, Porcupine Tree is in my all-time top 3 for a reason. :hat :hat
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FOABP is easily a top 10 of all time contender for me, if not being in the top 10 itself, so I couldn't really ask for more.
Despite it being my favorite I guess I could see why some don't like it as much as some their other albums from that era. Porcupine Tree is always quite cold and dreary and that's a big part of their appeal, but FOABP might be over the tipping point for some.
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Yeah, Fear... is awesome. Lightbulb Sun and Deadwing are pretty much locked in as my 1a and 1b for PT, but my number 3 album usually depends on what day it is, and more days than not, Fear... takes that slot for me.
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For me Stupid Dream, In Absentia and Deadwing are pretty much flawless albums.
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/porcupine-tree-most-likely-over-after-2023-shows
Steven Wilson announces the reunion will probably end after summer shows in New Year's message
Steven Wilson appears to have called time on the current Porcupine Tree reunion, announcing that the bands upcoming outdoor shows will 'most likely' be the band's last.
In a New Year's message to fans on Instagram and Twitter earlier today (which you can see below), as well as discussing his upcoming solo album, which he refers to as 'totally pretentious', Wilson says 'Meanwhile the (likely final) PT shows will be a handful of festival appearances over the Summer'.
The full statement reads: "Happy new year to you all! First and foremost a big thank you to everyone that enjoyed the Porcupine Tree Closure/Continuation album / shows, and my book Limited Edition Of One during the past year.
"Coming in 2023 will be my new album, a 10 track 65 minute musical journey that’s kinda hard to describe, but suffice to say it’s different again, not to mention totally pretentious (in a good way!) It will be released by Virgin Music UK, more news soon. Meanwhile the (likely final) PT shows will be a handful of festival appearances over the Summer, check the band’s channels for more info.
"Lots more exciting stuff (at least to me) happening, but for now I’ll leave you with my very best wishes for the year ahead, I hope it will be a wonderful one for you."
Porcupine Tree announced they'd reformed after a 12-year hiatus in November last year. The band released Closure/Continuation in June and ended a tour of North America and Europe with a show at London's Wembley Arena in November.
The band are currently announcing outdoor shows for this year, and will play Manchester's Castlefield Bowl on June 29.
A short-lived reunion, but given SW's work on his upcoming solo album, this doesn't surprise me.
-Marc.
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Yikes, more clickbait from that site. :lol
I saw Wilson's tweet about that yesterday, which could be construed as the final PT dates ever or the final PT dates of this touring cycle. Nowhere in that article is he quoted as saying "Porcupine Tree is most likely over after the 2023 shows."
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This was SW from January. If what he says is true here, they are probably done for me either way.
I suspect it will be the last time we’ll tour. I think it’s quite possible we might make another record. In fact, I was speaking with Richard about it. We were in Germany a couple of weeks ago doing promo in Berlin, and somebody asked me that question. I thought, Well, you know what? I think there’s a way forward. A track like “Walk the Plank”—which is one of the last tracks we did—which doesn’t have any guitars on it at all, and kind of reflects the fact that I’ve moved more and more towards electronic music. I wondered about making a Porcupine Tree record where we just focused on keyboards, rather than guitars. It would have to be something different to justify doing it.
But I suspect we probably wouldn’t tour again. I think in my heart, I think this is probably the last round for sure.
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Not that I think he'd do it just for money, but I suspect he is making a nice chunk of cash from C/C and the tour, and if he can see major dollar signs for another album and tour and he has ideas and songs in the bank that he feels with fit with their sound (and SW has made it clear at this point that PT does have a sound now which fans sorta expect), I think he'll go for it. His mind changes every year on things anyway, so I'll bet these last run of dates this year is not the last we will see of Porcupine Tree.
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Saw his interview with Rick Beato (really interesting interview btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03vThmG46A8&) and he had another sort of off hand comment about this being the final PT tour. He's "definitively" said Porcupine Tree is done before so I can definitely see the possibility that they go on tour again. Really glad I got them on this go around though, it was a fantastic show.
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Regarding the last time the band "ended" and what happened in the meantime, I think, as long as SW is making music, there's always a possibility for another PT record and/or tour. How high that possibility is, remains to be seen.
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Not that I think he'd do it just for money, but I suspect he is making a nice chunk of cash from C/C and the tour, and if he can see major dollar signs for another album and tour and he has ideas and songs in the bank that he feels with fit with their sound (and SW has made it clear at this point that PT does have a sound now which fans sorta expect), I think he'll go for it. His mind changes every year on things anyway, so I'll bet these last run of dates this year is not the last we will see of Porcupine Tree.
I agree with this. Money + the fact he changes his mind often + the fact he admits he's not always 100% truthful in interviews = more PT in the future.
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The new album is a good reminder of the big difference between SW's solo work and PT. I remember thinking when To the Bone came out that both The Same Asylum As Before and People Who Eat Darkness sounded like songs that could have been on one of the Gavin Harrison-era PT albums, but while I like those songs, they are missing two major elements that made PT sound like PT: Barbieri's sounds and textures, and Harrison's drumming.
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Not that I think he'd do it just for money, but I suspect he is making a nice chunk of cash from C/C and the tour, and if he can see major dollar signs for another album and tour and he has ideas and songs in the bank that he feels with fit with their sound (and SW has made it clear at this point that PT does have a sound now which fans sorta expect), I think he'll go for it. His mind changes every year on things anyway, so I'll bet these last run of dates this year is not the last we will see of Porcupine Tree.
I don't think he, PT or anyone of their stature is making anywhere near 'chunks' of cash from album sales and the massive cost of touring in 2022.
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I'd love to get the occasional future album/touring cycle from PT in the future, but if nothing else I got a much better final album from them and a couple great shows.
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Not that I think he'd do it just for money, but I suspect he is making a nice chunk of cash from C/C and the tour, and if he can see major dollar signs for another album and tour and he has ideas and songs in the bank that he feels with fit with their sound (and SW has made it clear at this point that PT does have a sound now which fans sorta expect), I think he'll go for it. His mind changes every year on things anyway, so I'll bet these last run of dates this year is not the last we will see of Porcupine Tree.
I don't think he, PT or anyone of their stature is making anywhere near 'chunks' of cash from album sales and the massive cost of touring in 2022.
Maybe not album sales but I would argue that PT is the most profitable from a touring perspective.
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I would say that while I enjoyed Closure/Continuation I can definitely see why SW has largely moved on. It didn't really feel like they were breaking any new ground with the album, compared to his solo albums which had quite a lot of stylistic variety.
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I'd love to get the occasional future album/touring cycle from PT in the future, but if nothing else I got a much better final album from them and a couple great shows.
I could see that scenario. I don't see PT ever being a full time band again, but I could see the occasional album and tour going forward.
I would say that while I enjoyed Closure/Continuation I can definitely see why SW has largely moved on. It didn't really feel like they were breaking any new ground with the album, compared to his solo albums which had quite a lot of stylistic variety.
Perhaps not, but it seemed like Wilson really liked working with his two bandmates again, so while his solo career will likely remain his number 1 priority for the foreseeable future, I get the sense that he'll want to work with Richard and Gavin again at some point.
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Also, the new touring iteration with Randy and Nate rules, would almost be a shame to only get one round of shows with them.
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I would say that while I enjoyed Closure/Continuation I can definitely see why SW has largely moved on. It didn't really feel like they were breaking any new ground with the album, compared to his solo albums which had quite a lot of stylistic variety.
I agree with this. I felt C/C was the...correction point for PT. I know The Incident is polarizing. I am on the side that doesn't really care for it. I felt C/C sounded way more like the PT I remember. And while it didn't break any new ground, it was a solid record that I still enjoy. And if it is their last as a unit, I'm good with it (as opposed to how I felt about The Incident). I think it has been pretty clear over the last decade that SW is all about SW. He has his music, and he wants to present his music his way. I get it. I honestly do. It's not really for me, I think he's better collaborating with people. But if he doesn't need other people in order to create and tour, why would he in an environment where finances are shaky?
Sure, the PT probably raked in cash (despite expenses). And probably more than what SW would have brought in as a solo act. Then again, as a solo act, with just hired guns as his band, his percentage of things is likely much higher, since he's no doubt just paying the band. Whereas in PT, three guys likely get a bigger cut, and they pay two others and the crew.
Whenever I see things like this, I always follow the money and the ego. Does SW need PT to have an artistically successful and financially viable career? No. Is it probably cheaper to tour as a solo artist (aka is SW's net gain from touring bigger as a solo artist)? Not sure, but likely close enough. Therein lies the answer.
Back when PT was doing Deadwing and FoaBP, SW needed PT's name as it got bigger and bigger (they played The Warfield in San Fran, which is 2,800 capacity, on The Incident tour). But after all that work as a solo artist, while the rooms he plays are smaller, he's probably a lot happier being a solo artist with ZERO compromise.
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An electronic PT album with no touring for it? Huh. OK.
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I'll put it this way: I enjoyed the tour more than the album. If he wants to do more live shows with PT I'm all for that. If he wants to make more albums, I hope they evolve their sound a bit more but it's hard to see that happening if it remains a side project where albums take years to complete.
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I'll put it this way: I enjoyed the tour more than the album. If he wants to do more live shows with PT I'm all for that. If he wants to make more albums, I hope they evolve their sound a bit more but it's hard to see that happening if it remains a side project where albums take years to complete.
That's pretty much why they disbanded in the first place though? They took their sound as far as they could and the different personal music tastes of the members meant SW couldn't push in new directions like he wanted.
Personally I thought C/C was great in the sense that it was a better final album than The Incident and even though it felt familiar, it still had some new ideas there IMO. Felt like a nice closure album though, with bits and moments from their sound throughout the years. It also changed the buzz around SW from something negative with how The Future Bites was received among fans and the PT reunion got people more hyped again. I would be very surprised if PT comes back after this, at least with new music. Maybe they do some more shows in 10 years or something but SW will definitely focus on his solo stuff now.
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Since it's happened once now, I think the possibility of at least one more PT album sometime in the future is more likely now than it was 5-10 years ago when I had fully accepted that there wouldn't be any.
But yeah, probably not for a while.
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Ken finally has the Deadwing Deluxe up on Laser CD. $94 with shipping for those of us in the US. Amazon wants $114 as of now.
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Everything that I love about PT is contained within Chimera's Wreck. What a song!
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Yes I did send Orchidia, a Porcupine Tree instrumental, in TAC's roulette, which is definitely this thread. :biggrin:
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see my comments in TAC's roulette.
You commented as I was fixing/deleting
:facepalm: :lol
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Got my shipping notice for the Deadwing deluxe. Should hopefully have it by the end of the week.
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Got my shipping notice for the Deadwing deluxe. Should hopefully have it by the end of the week.
Got my notice from Burning Shed today as well. With the way UK shipping has been this year so far, I don't expect mine to arrive for at least 2 weeks, but I'm patient.
What are the odds of Steven doing a fancy artbook re-release for FOABP? There's plenty of music he could include, like an official release of "Always Recurring/What Happens Now?". Having IA/DW/FOABP in fancy artbooks would be a nice mini-collection, though I wouldn't mind seeing him going back and giving Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun similar treatments, and putting the appropriate B-Sides (from Recordings) in their respective albums. That run of SD-FOABP has to be one of my favorite five-album runs of any band I love.
-Marc.
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Got my shipping notice for the Deadwing deluxe. Should hopefully have it by the end of the week.
Me too. Says Monday for me.
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Looks like mine will be arriving tomorrow. Very nice!
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My copy arrived this morning and it is a nice one. Tons of detailed interviews and such inside. I always write off demos as wasted space but I briefly checked out the demos disc and these are high quality. This is Devin Townsend level demos where they sound pretty professional and polished. I'll have to dig in deeper later but very happy with this set.
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My copy arrived this morning and it is a nice one. Tons of detailed interviews and such inside. I always write off demos as wasted space but I briefly checked out the demos disc and these are high quality. This is Devin Townsend level demos where they sound pretty professional and polished. I'll have to dig in deeper later but very happy with this set.
Good to know. Thanks. Looks like my last tracking update was a dispatch from Northampton on 2/28. So my guess is, it made it across the pond and it's in the air for delivery on the left coast on Monday-ish. There was no further tracking info from Royal Mail, so who knows.
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Northampton? Wonder how it ended up in Northampton on its journey from Norwich? How strange the world is. Would have thought it'd have gone from Norwich to Stansted airport then out on a parcel flight. I don't think there's a major hub of any distribution company in Northampton. Although might be winging its way to you from Birmingham or East Midlands airport.
Anyway, sorry... I just find this things interesting. Doubly so in this case since I lived in Northampton until recently.
Normal programming now resumes!
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Watching the Rockpalast show from the BD. Sound is excellent. This makes a great bonus to the package. Awesome set!
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The demos are fascinating. Nicely different. And they sound fabulous despite the fact they're 'only' demos.
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"30 years ago today my second album under the name Porcupine Tree “Up the Downstair” was released. It was the first time I really attempted to make a proper album under the name, and to do something that combined both old and new sounds. The title track especially drew on the ambient house of bands like The Orb and Future Sound of London. It picked up some rave reviews in the UK music press, and became the springboard from which I put the first band version of PT together later that year, so was a real watershed record for me and remains my favourite of the pre-band era. But where the hell did 30 years go?!" - Steven Wilson
Happy 30th bday to UTD!
-Marc.
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“You’re 30 years older, and you’ll always be now…
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https://blabbermouth.net/news/steven-wilson-on-porcupine-trees-future-were-leaving-our-options-open?fbclid=IwAR1Ls7khTKfZZ5YfREhVrFZRIWZsRSC-LL1LuWpEWuMVdsBu70YY34toSKI
It seems like Steven is really open to do more PT studio albums and it will a live release this year. :tup :tup
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtPm_kFtJ0Q
why not just post the interview :D
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That's funny that Wilson just admitted that he lies in interviews, but I get why, as it has to be frustrating to be promoting a new solo album and then get asked about Porcupine Tree. Saying, "there is zero chance," heads it off at the pass and gets the convo to move on.
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Totally and I can't blame him for that. Imagine him promoting a new album and people questioning about PT all the time. Really annoying.
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He also changes his mind about things constantly. :P
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We all change our minds and lie, SW is no different to you or me.
The future of PT depends on SW solo career, if he has another flop like TFB, then PT will no doubt make another album ;D
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Everything that I love about PT is contained within Chimera's Wreck. What a song!
Yes. At the concert in Amsterdam which was recorded for the blu-ray it was transcendental. It was already a favorite of mine but it caught me off guard that it was the absolute highlight of the show. I’ve been enjoying live music for years and I’m not as easily impressed as when I was young, but I really felt that magic again. My friends were just as blown away by that track and we went into the intermission completely mesmerized.
In my eyes Chimera’s Wreck is Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Pt. 2. Not in lyrics maybe but in tone.
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Definitely a highlight of the shows I saw in NY and Philly as well. I can't wait for that live release.
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We all change our minds and lie, SW is no different to you or me.
The future of PT depends on SW solo career, if he has another flop like TFB, then PT will no doubt make another album ;D
I second this!
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Setlist from Germany a couple days ago. A couple new additions to the set.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/porcupine-tree/2023/kunstrasen-bonn-bonn-germany-6ba60ac2.html
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Setlist from Germany a couple days ago. A couple new additions to the set.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/porcupine-tree/2023/kunstrasen-bonn-bonn-germany-6ba60ac2.html
Oof, sounds like a rough night for the band - no bassist, malfunctioning equipment, some restarts. And flubbed lyrics. I hope it all didn't ruin the enjoyment of the show for folks who were there!
-Marc.
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Uh, taped bass, not sure how I feel about that, but probably better than to cancel the show. If I were there I would have hoped for a replacement bass player, but maybe they couldn't get one on short notice.
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Setlist from Germany a couple days ago. A couple new additions to the set.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/porcupine-tree/2023/kunstrasen-bonn-bonn-germany-6ba60ac2.html
Oof, sounds like a rough night for the band - no bassist, malfunctioning equipment, some restarts. And flubbed lyrics. I hope it all didn't ruin the enjoyment of the show for folks who were there!
-Marc.
Sounds like a rock show!! That is the fun of playing truly live. Anything can happen, even *gasp* mistakes. :P
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Uh, taped bass, not sure how I feel about that, but probably better than to cancel the show. If I were there I would have hoped for a replacement bass player, but maybe they couldn't get one on short notice.
Yeah, because Edwin couldn't do it.... ::)
Was just watching the interview, and I had to wonder if SW was taking a subtle dig at DT here:
https://youtu.be/BtPm_kFtJ0Q?t=620
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Setlist looks alright but what really makes me jelly is that they played the best song from Deadwing for the first time since 2007.
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Was just watching the interview, and I had to wonder if SW was taking a subtle dig at DT here:
https://youtu.be/BtPm_kFtJ0Q?t=620
I doubt he actively listen to Dream Theater in order to think, "they are doing the same album over and over," but I think it goes without saying that Wilson is irked by bands who are safe and afraid to take chances.
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He could be talking about dozens and dozens of bands.
And yet, Porcupine Tree just released an album that isn't unlike their earlier work in any way. ;D
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He could be talking about dozens and dozens of bands.
And yet, Porcupine Tree just released an album that isn't unlike their earlier work in any way. ;D
Yeah, I don’t see Wilson as some super innovative guy who makes radically different music from album to album. It all still sounds like him.
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He could be talking about dozens and dozens of bands.
And yet, Porcupine Tree just released an album that isn't unlike their earlier work in any way. ;D
Yeah, I don’t see Wilson as some super innovative guy who makes radically different music from album to album. It all still sounds like him.
Maybe he's just sour that he tried something different for his last solo album and fans didn't like it. I mean, it still sounds like SW, for the most part, but just the stylistic changes just didn't sit well with some folks.
-Marc.
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He could be talking about dozens and dozens of bands.
And yet, Porcupine Tree just released an album that isn't unlike their earlier work in any way. ;D
Yeah, I don’t see Wilson as some super innovative guy who makes radically different music from album to album. It all still sounds like him.
Well, yeah, the personality of his writing is always going to come out in his music, but he is better than most at changing it up and shifting stylistically. He has six solo albums now, and it is hard to imagine one thinking that The Future Bites sounds like Grace for Drowning or The Raven...
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Uh, taped bass, not sure how I feel about that, but probably better than to cancel the show. If I were there I would have hoped for a replacement bass player, but maybe they couldn't get one on short notice.
Yeah, because Edwin couldn't do it.... ::)
Was just watching the interview, and I had to wonder if SW was taking a subtle dig at DT here:
https://youtu.be/BtPm_kFtJ0Q?t=620
Doubtful. I doubt he thinks about DT enough to want to take a dig at them.
He could be talking about almost any band. Or really, most bands.
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He could be talking about dozens and dozens of bands.
And yet, Porcupine Tree just released an album that isn't unlike their earlier work in any way. ;D
Yeah, I don’t see Wilson as some super innovative guy who makes radically different music from album to album. It all still sounds like him.
Well, yeah, the personality of his writing is always going to come out in his music, but he is better than most at changing it up and shifting stylistically. He has six solo albums now, and it is hard to imagine one thinking that The Future Bites sounds like Grace for Drowning or The Raven...
I'll give you that The Future Bites is pretty different. But for the most part I've never felt that there was a ton of difference between his solo stuff and PT or Blackfield for instance (obviously there is some).
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He could be talking about dozens and dozens of bands.
And yet, Porcupine Tree just released an album that isn't unlike their earlier work in any way. ;D
Yeah, I don’t see Wilson as some super innovative guy who makes radically different music from album to album. It all still sounds like him.
Maybe he's just sour that he tried something different for his last solo album and fans didn't like it. I mean, it still sounds like SW, for the most part, but just the stylistic changes just didn't sit well with some folks.
-Marc.
He certainly sounds a bit bitter doesn't he? Maybe you're on to something here.
Yes, he's not talking about DT - there's TONS of bands who do the same thing over and over. If anything I think DT has changed it up a bit anyway. A View is certainly different than the Astonishing, and certaily different than let's say A Dramatic Turn of Events.
And yes, killer setlist (minus no bass player). I love me some Open Car!
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I love Porcupine Tree since I discovered them through a friend in 2002. The first album from them I ever bought was In Absentia. Then I picked up Stupid Dream, and was hooked through The Incident, which I felt, as has been well documented, was very subpar. Closure/Continuation was pretty good, although I have to admit, I don't go back to it much.
I say all this to say - fuck Steven Wilson. That guy thinks way too highly of himself. He has his fans, and I am one of them (to a degree), but the more and more he speaks, the more I dislike him. yes, we all fucking know that PT started as a solo thing for him, and he ended up incorporating musicians he liked. Well, guess what? It became a band, and yes, that requires some sacrifice on SW's part. So what's he do when he gets some pushback from said band? Shelves the fucking thing for a decade. :lol Okay, dude, whatever. But then, once you realize your last solo album was not as highly regarded as the ones before it (interest waning from folks with each release), you revive PT, cut out the bassist people love, the touring guitarist people love, and throw a bone to Gavin and Richard so they feel more involved in the process and make a bit more money. Well, I guess helping Gavin and Richard is good, but giving the middle finger to Colin and John? Really? And now, with all the talk about "well, PT may not be back" talk, SW is up to the same BS. He isn't in full "control" as much as he likes, and the band will likely go away again (until he needs more money).
SW can do whatever he wants - great songwriter, good musician, excellent engineer, mixer, and producer. But he really needs to check his fucking ego at the door. I expect a little bit out of a frontman, but it seems folks built him up so much as this "prog God," that he drank the Kool Aid and now believes his shit doesn't stink.
The music of Porcupine Tree (most of it) is timeless. And I appreciate that. But holy fuck SW needs to get his fucking ass kicked and be humbled a bit.
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I love Porcupine Tree since I discovered them through a friend in 2002. The first album from them I ever bought was In Absentia. Then I picked up Stupid Dream, and was hooked through The Incident, which I felt, as has been well documented, was very subpar. Closure/Continuation was pretty good, although I have to admit, I don't go back to it much.
I say all this to say - fuck Steven Wilson. That guy thinks way too highly of himself. He has his fans, and I am one of them (to a degree), but the more and more he speaks, the more I dislike him. yes, we all fucking know that PT started as a solo thing for him, and he ended up incorporating musicians he liked. Well, guess what? It became a band, and yes, that requires some sacrifice on SW's part. So what's he do when he gets some pushback from said band? Shelves the fucking thing for a decade. :lol Okay, dude, whatever. But then, once you realize your last solo album was not as highly regarded as the ones before it (interest waning from folks with each release), you revive PT, cut out the bassist people love, the touring guitarist people love, and throw a bone to Gavin and Richard so they feel more involved in the process and make a bit more money. Well, I guess helping Gavin and Richard is good, but giving the middle finger to Colin and John? Really? And now, with all the talk about "well, PT may not be back" talk, SW is up to the same BS. He isn't in full "control" as much as he likes, and the band will likely go away again (until he needs more money).
SW can do whatever he wants - great songwriter, good musician, excellent engineer, mixer, and producer. But he really needs to check his fucking ego at the door. I expect a little bit out of a frontman, but it seems folks built him up so much as this "prog God," that he drank the Kool Aid and now believes his shit doesn't stink.
The music of Porcupine Tree (most of it) is timeless. And I appreciate that. But holy fuck SW needs to get his fucking ass kicked and be humbled a bit.
I can't say I agree with a lot of this. In fact, I disagree strongly with a lot of it.
Wilson thinks too highly of himself? I think his comments over the years about his vocal limitations and how he has downplayed his own guitar playing would indicate otherwise.
The touring guitarist people love? Ugh, speak for yourself! :P For one, John Wesley is a horrendous guitar player (at least when trying to play PT's material), so losing him in the touring band was addition by subtraction, and for two, he was never an official member of the band, so there should be zero griping about him being "replaced" in the live shows.
I don't like how the Colin Edwin thing was handled, I will concede that one.
Interest was waning with each solo release? Uh, what? I am pretty sure he was playing to more people than ever before on the To the Bone tour IIRC. The Future Bites wasn't a big success, but to suggest that interest was waning with each release seems like revisionist history.
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The Future Bites also came out right at the start of the pandemic and never tours for it.
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Respectfully,
I really don't care if you or anyone agrees with me, Kev. That's not a slight at you, just saying that if I cared, I wouldn't post my opinions at DTF.
Yes, his solo tours are well attended - so people can see Porcupine Tree material. He knows it, you know it, everyone knows it. I'm not saying some of his solo material isn't good. Absolutely it is. But the draw is him playing PT material. If he said outright he wasn't playing any PT songs, and stuck to it, his attendance would drop by 25 percent, IMO. But it's not revisionist history to say that people have complained loudly about his last couple of solo releases. Very loudly, in fact, about the last one. And then his hardcore fanboys and fangirls sprang to his defense on the last record. Wilson knows where his bread is buttered. PT put him on the map. He hates that, but has conceded to a degree.
Wilson speaks with a gigantic ego. Small concessions don't make one humble. His voice is thin. This is fact. Everyone who has ever listened to him sing knows this, so it's really not self-degrading. It's just fact. It's fact that my voice is very one dimensional and I'm not very rangy. A solid baritone. If you want me to sing Billy Joel or Mark Tremonti, I'm your guy and will bring it and it'll sound good. But if you want me to sing "Pull Me Under" or "Caught in a Web," I'll get laughed out of the building. These are simply facts. Knowing and admitting one's limitations isn't being humble. Bottom line - Steven Wilson holds himself in very high regard, and he makes sure people know it.
As for John, yes, some people "loved" John in PT. But even if manydidn't, he was part of the band's live presentation for so long. PT became something with him on the road with them, and Colin a part of that. Sure, change is change. It happens. And even if I concede on John, it doesn't excuse the way Colin's absence was handled.
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Steven Wilson isn't Def Leppard, who could come out with a new album and not play a single song from it on that very same tour.
Coming into a Steven Wilson show I might hope to hear a PT favorite or two, just as I'd like to hear certain songs from any of his back catalog, be it Raven, Grace, or In Absentia.
But I go see a Steven Wilson, his music, and his production. And I've gone to a lot of SW shows over the years with a lot of different people and not one would I classify as being there as only wanting to hear PT material. And if you go to his shows for that reason you're either ignoring what he's likely to do, or just a glutton for punishment. His more recent tours are probably, in total set time, 20% PT material at most.
Edit: And now that I got an amazing PT fix last year, for his next solo tour I hope he focusses on TFB (which never got a tour), and his new album without too much older stuff, PT included)
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Yes, he should be playing his own solo material. Glad he is. Same with making sure he supports his new material - I believe in that, and I'm glad he does.
I just looked, randomly, at two shows from SW. In both shows, he played 20 songs. At one, he played five PT songs. (That's 25 percent, Nick) The other, he played seven tracks (35 percent). Those were from 2019 and 2018, respectively. For the hell of it, I went back another few years to 2012. he played 15 songs, with the last two being PT songs. So, in general, it seems when PT was very much inactive in 2019 and 2018, he dedicated between 25-35 percent of his set to PT. (total songs, not set time.)
For me, Steven Wilson is very full of himself. And while I am a fan of his work within PT, and a fan of some of his solo material, he comes across as very entitled and hoiler than thou. And I have a hard time with accepting that from a guy who owes almost his entire career to Porcupine Tree, and the people that made that band (other than him) what it was.
Edited for bad math.
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I can see why Steven Wilson, especially in certain areas, grates on people. That said, there are a few things in this instance worth pointing out.
Steven Wilson is highly likely to have about the same amount of success with Porcupine Tree with a different bassist instead of Colin. The opposite can not be said.
We could either have a Porcupine Tree tour without Colin and 3 happy guys, or no new PT/tour at all. I'm glad the way they chose.
You could argue a band like DT owes all its success to the breakout of Images and Words, or that Neal Morse only got to where he is because of his work with Spock's Beard. Yet you go to any Neal Morse Band show now and you get 80% new album, 15% other Neal Morse stuff, and maybe one song from Spock's Beard in certain circumstances. It's not a diss to Spock's Beard in any way, but Neal has always been forward facing with most of his touring. Same with Steven Wilson. I don't think he doesn't appreciate Porcupine Tree or their success, but he's not about to dwell on that when there is always new music to make and promote.
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He definitely sounds a bit bitter but can you blame him? Look at his career and how hard he has worked between No-Man, PT, Blackfield, Bass Communion, IEM, working closely with Opeth for a few years, his solo career, all the albums he has mixed or done sound production on. And even though he's moderately big for his genre, he's now 55 and probably won't get much bigger than he is now. He has a loyal fanbase and he does better than a lot of other musicians, yet at the same time there's bands that almost stumble into bigger success with less effort than SW has put in, just because of a right place / right time / right music type situation. I can sympathize with him in that regard.
When it comes to bands staying the same for years versus bands that evolve and change, it's a discussion as old as time and I feel like it really boils down to the band itself. There's a bunch of variables to it, like can the band make multiple good albums in the same style? Are they capable of pulling something magical out of their bag if they try something drastically different? I don't know if a band like Iron Maiden are capable of doing something else than what they have been doing for 40 years, but as a fan I don't really want them to either. But then there's other bands where I kinda expect something fresh and I want it. And if they do "the same" again, I feel disappointed.
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SW is also willing to accept change and embrace new ideas/ways, even if begrudgingly so. Anyone remember his whole iPod-smashing/anti-streaming & digital tirade many years ago? It felt like, IIRC, the only way to listen to his music was through physical media because anything else wouldn't do his music justice.
I believe he has since softened on his stance of "physical media is superior" and have given in to letting his music reach a wider audience via digital streaming. His mindsets are very much a product of his upbringing and the kinds of music he grew up listening to, so I don't blame him for not wanting to bend to popular opinion or an ever-changing and evolving marketplace.
-Marc.
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That was only the last few tours that he added PT to a higher percentage on tour. Hey, he wrote it so why not play some. But, I always love when a band plays new material. I feel most bands are better live when touring for a new album.
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I think his solo career peaked with Hand. Cannot. Erase. Not that the last two albums have been bad (I really like To The Bone, not so much TFB), but it peaked with HCE IMO. Could some of that have to do with the disbanding of that AMAZING band (well the situation with Guthrie and Marco)? Well maybe but he’d never admit that. The replacements have all been excellent players in their own rights - but there was something magical about Govan, Minnemann, Beggs, Holzman and let’s not forget Theo Davis together.
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I think his solo career peaked with Hand. Cannot. Erase. Not that the last two albums have been bad (I really like To The Bone, not so much TFB), but it peaked with HCE IMO. Could some of that have to do with the disbanding of that AMAZING band (well the situation with Guthrie and Marco)? Well maybe but he’d never admit that. The replacements have all been excellent players in their own rights - but there was something magical about Govan, Minnemann, Beggs, Holzman and let’s not forget Theo Davis together.
Guthrie is an AMAZING guitarist. I saw him with Hans Zimmer several years back when Zimmer was out touring all his film score. My jaw hit the floor. I was aware that Guthrie toured with SW on...I think it was the Raven tour, correct? But man, what a crazy good guitarist. One of the best I've ever seen. And obviously, Minnemann is a phenomenal drummer.
Nick: I'm also glad we got a new PT tour. I had a great time. Band was great. I'd never argue that. But that's not what the point of my rant was. It was about how Steven comes across and the man's overwhelming (exhausting) vision of himself. Trust me, I wouldn't give back the C/C tour for anything. I had a great time in San Francisco seeing PT.
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I blame the way Wilson comes across as "he is just very British." (kidding, sort of)
I don't buy that his solo tours are well attended because people want to hear Porcupine Tree material. Like Nick said, when you buy into Steven Wilson, you buy into the man and his music and whatever comes your way. I saw him on The Raven tour, where he played one (count it, ONE) Porcupine Tree song, and that was with only having three solo albums of material at that point.
What others have brought to Porcupine Tree is substantial, no doubt about it, but Wilson was, is and will always be the straw the stirs the Porcupine Tree drink. So, yeah, that band made him what he is, and he wrote 99% of the material that band did without help from the others. Perhaps I place a higher value on songwriting than others, but Wilson's prolific career as a songwriter speaks for itself, and that includes his time with Porcupine Tree.
I just think he takes a very artistic approach, which I know can come off as being a little pretentious, but being at least a bit pretentious and a true artist kind of go hand in hand, no? :lol
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I've shared a lot of Samsara's feelings about Steven Wilson in the past, but more recently I tend to see him as just kind of socially awkward, a bit prone to say things in interviews without realizing how they sound, and yeah also British. Listening to his podcast helped my impression of him somewhat just cause I have a better understanding of his sense of humor.
I also disagree that he's not popular in his own right as a solo artist. Arguably he's bigger than ever in the prog world as a solo artist, at least overseas. I don't think he has much impact in the states, but in the UK he's closer to a household name.
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I blame the ;Dway Wilson comes across as "he is just very British." (kidding, sort of)
I don't buy that his solo tours are well attended because people want to hear Porcupine Tree material. Like Nick said, when you buy into Steven Wilson, you buy into the man and his music and whatever comes your way. I saw him on The Raven tour, where he played one (count it, ONE) Porcupine Tree song, and that was with only having three solo albums of material at that point.
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What others have brought to Porcupine Tree is substantial, no doubt about it, but Wilson was, is and will always be the straw the stirs the Porcupine Tree drink. So, yeah, that band made him what he is, and he wrote 99% of the material that band did without help from the others. Perhaps I place a higher value on songwriting than others, but Wilson's prolific career as a songwriter speaks for itself, and that includes his time with Porcupine Tree.
I just think he takes a very artistic approach, which I know can come off as being a little pretentious, but being at least a bit pretentious and a true artist kind of go hand in hand, no? :lol
That’s a no. Says the beer scientists Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson. Lol
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Who said Alex and Geddy were true artists? :eek :biggrin:
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Who said Alex and Geddy were true artists? :eek :biggrin:
Who said they were real beer scientists? Lol
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Call me cynical but I always chalked up the PT reunion to being something more than just "we felt like making another album again". I think you could argue that his solo career had been growing album by album and even though you can discuss in which order you like the albums, it definitely felt like every tour and album got bigger and better reception than the previous up until HCE. I would say even To The Bone, which despite maybe getting a bit weaker reviews than HCE, still got a lot of positive buzz and it felt like another solid entry in his discography.
The Future Bites while not a bad album was really his first album in a long time where the reception felt a bit lukewarm. You have people who liked it a lot and it wasn't a disaster by any means, but a lot of people also didn't care for it that much. It is his weakest solo album by a margin IMO. It felt like Steven was ready to take a step into the mainstream and get bigger, but it felt like a lot of fans pulled back and said "I don't care for Steven the pop artist, I want my prog" - which is fine. After all it's a genre he's been the face of for decades now. It just felt like more than a coincidence to me that he just happened to feel like dusting off and bringing back PT with a new album - to much hype, in the wake of The Future Bites coming out and almost being forgotten instantly.
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I agree with a lot of that, Zantera. I do think there was probably a bit of monetary motivation on SW's part to roll the the Porcupine Tree flag up the pole again, as he took a bath on the cancellation of The Future Bites tour (he reportedly had to eat the production costs for a tour that didn't end up happening), and I have no problem with that. He knew a new PT album and tour would be a good profit for them all, and it's obvious that he really likes working with Richard and Gavin, and the fans wanted it, so it was win-win.
With To the Bone, I seem to recall pretty positive reviews overall. They weren't as glowing as the ones for The Raven or HCE, but that was because a lot of of prog fans lost their minds over Permanating, so I would submit that any negativity around that album said more about the fans than it did about the material. Granted, I am a huge To the Bone fan (I likely rank it a lot higher in SW's overall catalogue than the average fan does), but the reaction of some fans was so weird. It was like they were personally insulted that Wilson had the nerve to write and release a song like Permanating. I hope he keeps playing that song on every solo tour going forward. :coolio :coolio
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I saw the HCE and TTB tours, and the only reason i didn't want to go see him on the TFB tour was because he was going to play much bigger venues, which i don't like to go to for liveshows.
Liking the latest album didn't even come to mind in that decision.
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Saw him in 2,000 + seat arenas solo. With PT, we saw him in a 5,000 brand new seat arena. No surprise. PT is a brand that fans want. We all know how that works.
STP in the late 90's got a new singer and called themselves Talk Show. Went nowhere and went back to STP.
Why? People are lazy and only know brand names.
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I don’t think it’s quite so simple as him being arrogant. I honestly think that Steven Wilson is on the spectrum. And not just in a quirky sort of way. I mean that my opinion is that he IS AUTISTIC. As such, that would mean that he is just isn’t capable of grasping the way most people do things.
Maybe I’m not explaining it very well. But it’s like if Sheldon from Big Bang Theory happened to be a musician instead of a scientist. I think he’s honestly confused as to why people think that certain behaviors are considered “arrogant” or “rude”. So I give him a bit of a pass on those behaviors.
I do think that his popularity as a solo artist was growing exponentially through the first four albums. And TTB had him poised to take on the mainstream. And with Reality Bites I think he had hopes of being the next David Bowie. I also think that if the tour had been spectacular, he might have crossed over into more mainstream fans. But the pandemic killed the whole thing, and I guess I can understand his frustration from that angle. While I may not have agreed with the direction, I can see what he was trying to do and I would be frustrated if I felt like things were heading in a direction exactly the way I planned and then were instantly axed by extenuating circumstances.
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Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how The Future Bites would have done had it been released on schedule. I think it not coming out till like 10 months after Personal Shopper was released killed any momentum it could have had building up to the original June 2020 release. Plus, I think four of the songs ended up getting released with videos before TFB was finally released in January 2021, so over half of the album was out there before the album dropped. My guess is he was trying to build momentum back up prior to the release, but because the album was such a departure cosmetically from his previous solo albums (it is not that different stylistically, but the cosmetic pop elements made it feel like a pop album, which is probably heresy to his more hardcore prog fans), a lot of would-be fans of the album were lost before it was even released.
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Call me cynical but I always chalked up the PT reunion to being something more than just "we felt like making another album again". I think you could argue that his solo career had been growing album by album and even though you can discuss in which order you like the albums, it definitely felt like every tour and album got bigger and better reception than the previous up until HCE. I would say even To The Bone, which despite maybe getting a bit weaker reviews than HCE, still got a lot of positive buzz and it felt like another solid entry in his discography.
The Future Bites while not a bad album was really his first album in a long time where the reception felt a bit lukewarm. You have people who liked it a lot and it wasn't a disaster by any means, but a lot of people also didn't care for it that much. It is his weakest solo album by a margin IMO. It felt like Steven was ready to take a step into the mainstream and get bigger, but it felt like a lot of fans pulled back and said "I don't care for Steven the pop artist, I want my prog" - which is fine. After all it's a genre he's been the face of for decades now. It just felt like more than a coincidence to me that he just happened to feel like dusting off and bringing back PT with a new album - to much hype, in the wake of The Future Bites coming out and almost being forgotten instantly.
You also got to consider just how much financially he took a loss at not being able to tour.
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What do don’t understand about SW is his frustration at not being taken seriously as a ‘pop star’ - he went on talk shows and gave interviews expressing his resentment etc
Does he not realise that pop stars establish themselves when they are young, sexy, and appealing.
Sorry Steve, you always looked like a dork with lank hair, and as a ‘pop’ song, Permanating simply isn’t catchy enough to win the casual radio listener
If that sounds shallow, well, of course it is. That’s ‘Pop’.
As a serious musician however, he’s almost unparalleled in the last 20 years. I am quite the fan. But I wouldn’t put a Steven Wilson poster on my wall.
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What do don’t understand about SW is his frustration at not being taken seriously as a ‘pop star’ - he went on talk shows and gave interviews expressing his resentment etc
Does he not realise that pop stars establish themselves when they are young, sexy, and appealing.
Sorry Steve, you always looked like a dork with lank hair, and as a ‘pop’ song, Permanating simply isn’t catchy enough to win the casual radio listener
If that sounds shallow, well, of course it is. That’s ‘Pop’.
As a serious musician however, he’s almost unparalleled in the last 20 years. I am quite the fan. But I wouldn’t put a Steven Wilson poster on my wall.
Phil Collins would like a word.
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I think it also probably doesn't help SW that he really radiates 'boomer energy' and any time there's an interview he lays things out how they should be according to him. There's nothing more appealing to younger people than a guy in his 50s trying to push his views on them. But yeah I would say in most cases your level of popularity is usually a reflection of your early albums. A lot of the bands and artists who are huge got there because within their first 2-3 releases they just exploded in popularity and they can ride that wave. We were talking about DT earlier and whether SW dissed them or not, but DT is another good example of a band that still to this day can live off Images & Words. An iconic album within the prog metal scene and no matter how you feel about their recent output, people will still go and see DT because they want to hear some of those old classics.
SW has done an admirable job grinding it out in the business and slowly gaining more popularity, and he's in a pretty good place. But he's never gonna be one of those huge names that 9 out of 10 people on the street knows, the sort of artist that sells out multiple shows in a 80k capacity stadium. I think if anything, him trying to twist his songwriting to achieve that (whether it's Permanating or The Future Bites) hurts more than it does good.
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What do don’t understand about SW is his frustration at not being taken seriously as a ‘pop star’ - he went on talk shows and gave interviews expressing his resentment etc
Does he not realise that pop stars establish themselves when they are young, sexy, and appealing.
Sorry Steve, you always looked like a dork with lank hair, and as a ‘pop’ song, Permanating simply isn’t catchy enough to win the casual radio listener
If that sounds shallow, well, of course it is. That’s ‘Pop’.
As a serious musician however, he’s almost unparalleled in the last 20 years. I am quite the fan. But I wouldn’t put a Steven Wilson poster on my wall.
Phil Collins would like a word.
Reading through this thread I thought of Phil as well. From my limited perspective, I think right from the get-go, Phil's solo stuff was far more pop than Genesis stuff was (at least at the time), so it was easier for him to establish himself as a solo pop star. Nevermind that he still had his "day" job with Genesis for another 12 years. With Steven, his solo output is (to my ears at least) not that significantly different from PT, and certainly not far more pop than what PT was doing. Additionally, it wasn't long after Steven starting doing solo stuff that he pretty much canned PT for the time being. Perhaps if he would've gone in a decidedly pop direction right from the beginning with his solo output as well as being on a bigger label and/or more promotion, maybe he could have attained something more akin to Phil.
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Collins had that bald geezer look that appealed to middle-aged women- he could be one of the Mitchell brothers (Eastenders reference- sorry non-brits), a bit of rough.
Wilson looks like a D&D nerd.
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I don’t think it’s quite so simple as him being arrogant. I honestly think that Steven Wilson is on the spectrum. And not just in a quirky sort of way. I mean that my opinion is that he IS AUTISTIC. As such, that would mean that he is just isn’t capable of grasping the way most people do things.
He's opinionated, articulate, passionate, compassionate, focussed, curious and empathetic. All of that is on display in various interviews, articles and backstage footage. What he isn't, is autistic.
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I think it is important to remember that SW views (what he considers) good pop through the lens of acts like Tears for Fears and XTC, both of whom were considered pop in the 80s, so it's not like he was releasing The Future Bites and trying to be Justin Beiber at the age of 53.
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I don't really care for albums like Fear of a Blank Planet and Future Bites, not because of the music, which is still good, but the concepts or lyrical content of those release I feel were explored and expressed by other artists and musicians in much more timeless and profound ways. Its a direct polar opposite of lyric content and themes on isolation and music industry/commercialism in the "Stupid Dream"/"Lightbulb Sun" albums, which could fit into any decade since the 70s.
But his career arc is interesting, from creating a fake band to elevate the music and maintain a sense of anonymity, to all-out promotion with his face and brand all over in The Feature Bites.
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I don’t think it’s quite so simple as him being arrogant. I honestly think that Steven Wilson is on the spectrum. And not just in a quirky sort of way. I mean that my opinion is that he IS AUTISTIC. As such, that would mean that he is just isn’t capable of grasping the way most people do things.
He's opinionated, articulate, passionate, compassionate, focussed, curious and empathetic. All of that is on display in various interviews, articles and backstage footage. What he isn't, is autistic.
“I’m not crazy. My mother had me tested.” :lol
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"You can be crazy but not autistic. " - Kingshmegland. :lol
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"You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need..."
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I don't really care for albums like Fear of a Blank Planet and Future Bites, not because of the music, which is still good, but the concepts or lyrical content of those release I feel were explored and expressed by other artists and musicians in much more timeless and profound ways. Its a direct polar opposite of lyric content and themes on isolation and music industry/commercialism in the "Stupid Dream"/"Lightbulb Sun" albums, which could fit into any decade since the 70s.
I think honestly, as much as I love SW and his music, this really hits the nail on the head. I feel like the biggest reason he hasn't become the HUGE artist he wants to be, is that most of his career he's been behind the curve rather than in front of it. Early PT definitely took a lot from older bands like Pink Floyd and the metal-era PT was heavily influenced by Opeth - a more groundbreaking band doing some really classic albums at the time. Even SW's solo career has largely been influenced by what others have done better before. Insurgentes tries to do a lot of post-punk/drone/shoegazy things (my favorite of his solo albums) and you could tell he was heavily influenced by certain bands. GFD and Raven are big homages to 70s prog rock and his more recent 'art-rock' type albums are definitely him trying to channel his David Bowie/Prince among others.
No shame in borrowing from others and being influenced but I don't think I've ever heard an SW album and thought "Nobody has ever done this before". And usually that's what separates big bands/artists from huge ones.
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That's the thing imo, where he comes across as pretentious. In his book and in interviews he talks at length about how music has to be innovative and influential to be relevant. And also he doesn't say it that clearly, he looks down on everyone who makes music or listens to music that is neither of the two.
He claims that one of his favorite records is the recording of the buzz that electric fences make.
And then he goes out and starts a career that is heavily lending from Pink Floyd and others. And as Zantera pointed out, he's changing, but he doesn't come up with something really new, he just lets other influences take the upper hand.
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That's the thing imo, where he comes across as pretentious. In his book and in interviews he talks at length about how music has to be innovative and influential to be relevant. And also he doesn't say it that clearly, he looks down on everyone who makes music or listens to music that is neither of the two.
He claims that one of his favorite records is the recording of the buzz that electric fences make.
And then he goes out and starts a career that is heavily lending from Pink Floyd and others. And as Zantera pointed out, he's changing, but he doesn't come up with something really new, he just lets other influences take the upper hand.
I remember when he came out swinging hard against bands like The Flower Kings for being 'regressive' and in his words 'killing prog rock' but then he made The Raven That Refused to Sing like a year or two later. :lol You don't HAVE to put everything else down to lift yourself up but that's really been his M.O. A lot of other artists in the prog sphere seem to look at their fellow bands with a mixture of respect and appreciation but with SW i just feel like he looks at a band like DT with seething contempt. :lol
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I think the difference there is that many in the prog community take a communal approach as if "we are all doing prog, so let's stick together," while Wilson has often tried to avoid the prog tag, as he doesn't like the idea of being pigeon-holed into one genre, and I think that is why he never has the kneejerk positive reaction to prog bands in general. For as much of his music that does fall under the prog banner, that is not where he wants to plant his flag.
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His elitists views about music puts him firmly in the prog community. ;)
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If he doesn't want to be associated with the prog community he shouldn't have been making prog albums for 30 years. :D
Also, most people would be happy with what they have. Maybe he envisioned himself as a new Bowie/Prince when he started off but he's now 55, got a loyal fanbase in the prog community and he's achieved more than many others will. It would seem logical to be thankful for his spot in the music world, and honestly if he flips off the prog community then who does he have in his corner?
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Imagine having fans say to an artist to stay your lane? If someone said that to any of you, you'd have a hissy fit. Hey, if you don't like the change, don't listen. That will correct if the artist recognizes it didn't work. Or, the artist don't care about money.
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Imagine having fans say to an artist to stay your lane? If someone said that to any of you, you'd have a hissy fit. Hey, if you don't like the change, don't listen. That will correct if the artist recognizes it didn't work. Or, the artist don't care about money.
I don't think anyone is saying he should stay in his lane but if you make prog rock for 30 years maybe don't walk around thinking you're above that and throw cheap shots at other bands making similar music as yourself? SW has done plenty of different things over the years and I like his side projects (Blackfield is actually my favorite project he's involved with) but it would also feel accurate to say he is where he is because the prog rock community embraced him and that's the side of his music personality that appeals to people the most. It's fine to do other things but you gotta be brave sometimes and take the leap. As happy as I was to get a new PT album, I think he probably should have doubled down and made a follow up to The Future Bites if changing the perception of him as an artist was the nr1 concern for him.
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He's made more than that. He's done melancholy pop, ambient music. Is anyone surprised that he shifts gears musically?
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I'm not surprised when he changes his style and I don't have a problem with it.
I always thought he was a prick and a douche. Reading his book made me like him as a person much more and maybe appreciate his music even more. If he would only stop to talk condescending about music/bands/artists he doesn't like or doesn't care about or doesn't understand, that would be appreciated. This holier than thou attitude doesn't suit him, imo.
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I don't think changing the perception of himself as an artist has ever been his number 1 concern. He simply doesn't want to pigeon-holed, but you cannot control the expectations of fans, especially ones from the prog community, far too many of whom thumb their noses at non-prog music. He's pretty much in a situation where a segment of his fanbase is not going to like anything he releases that isn't super prog. Look at how many reacted when he stopped working with the musicians he did on The Raven and Hand Cannot Erase. SW's music has never been about technical flash or having the best players, but all of a sudden it is an issue that he is playing with musicians who aren't as technically proficient as Guthrie Govan or Marco Minnemann. It's like people forgot who SW is and what his attitude in general about music is.
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I gotta say with the current events in his career of the last few years, this new album is maybe the one I'm the most curious about in a while. He's always done a pretty good job of being diverse within his musical sphere, with the right amount of 'playing it safe' and 'trying a new curveball', but The Future Bites did not quite land for a lot of people. Even as someone who was okay with the album, I thought it lacked really good songs, it was mostly just fine. But he had to take a big hit on the tour with covid and all, he went back to his safe zone and made a new PT album. A good one, but also quite safe, not necessarily breaking any new ground or anything. Not that you always need to. Sometimes after a miss, you just gotta do the work, get something out to change the word of mouth. New PT seemed to have gone over mostly well. At best, people really liked it, at worst it was another solid album by the band.
So yeah I'm quite curious about the next solo album because TFB tried a lot of new things, didn't quite land. C/C was more of a safe territory album that seemed to go over fairly well. I don't expect the solo album to be as safe, so I'm interested to hear how much from TFB carries over, if any at all. Is he gonna give up on that direction, or just take a new one?
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If he doesn't want to be associated with the prog community he shouldn't have been making prog albums for 30 years. :D
Also, most people would be happy with what they have. Maybe he envisioned himself as a new Bowie/Prince when he started off but he's now 55, got a loyal fanbase in the prog community and he's achieved more than many others will. It would seem logical to be thankful for his spot in the music world, and honestly if he flips off the prog community then who does he have in his corner?
Well said!
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bump.
live album?
https://open.spotify.com/album/5mYbcsNRQIqyxpZYWwgQJK
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bump.
live album?
https://open.spotify.com/album/5mYbcsNRQIqyxpZYWwgQJK
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/porcupine-tree/2022/ziggo-dome-amsterdam-netherlands-53be1f11.html
The setlist entry says the show was filmed for a BD release, so it seems like it's coming soon. Maybe in early 2024 at this rate because it seems late to market a December 2023 release.
-Marc.
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Nice, was there and loved the show! Looking forward to the release.
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Harridan live sounds good to me!
Pre orders are up (via their site). I ordered the full thing, seems I also got the signed art print.
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I liked Harridan live more than the studio version TBH.
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Hmm $35 shipping for the US from PT's site. Burning Shed is $20. At least it's only one month away from release.
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The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk)
The trailer for the entire release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0Bq5bmZBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0Bq5bmZBQ)
I liked Harridan live more than the studio version TBH.
I agree, it sounds better. Looking forward to the other CC songs in their live form. Chimera and Herd were two of my highlights last year.
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Maybe in early 2024 at this rate because it seems late to market a December 2023 release.
-Marc.
Well sometimes I don't mind being wrong. I didn't expect this to come out next month! Ordered the deluxe 2CD/2BD set from Burning Shed, only $74 after shipping (and insured/signed-for shipping was cheaper than the the shipping without insurance or tracking).
Haven't heard the live version of "Harridan" - I'll probably wait til I get the set to watch the whole concert.
-Marc.
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I would assume that Laser CD should be stocking this. Shipping should be much better from them.
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Want this, but yeah, shipping probably better from Laser when they get it in. I'll sit tight.
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The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk)
That looked and sounded great. I really wished artists would start selling the physical 4k discs. The youtube video is already available in 4k, why not just reprint that too?
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looks like there is a new PT live release coming :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0Bq5bmZBQ
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I haven't watched the video clip yet but I'm excited for a new live release. I really hope there is more focus on other band members other than SW. My biggest complaint with Arriving Somewhere is that you'd often hear Gavin, or Colin, or Richard doing something cool and the camera was fixed on Steven.
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I haven't watched the video clip yet but I'm excited for a new live release. I really hope there is more focus on other band members other than SW. My biggest complaint with Arriving Somewhere is that you'd often hear Gavin, or Colin, or Richard doing something cool and the camera was fixed on Steven.
I watched the live video before reading your post. The camera isn't fixed on SW but the two live members are almost excluded from the video. When the camera is on them, the angles are really odd. Actually, watching it again now, I find all the camera angles to be odd.
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The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk)
That looked and sounded great. I really wished artists would start selling the physical 4k discs. The youtube video is already available in 4k, why not just reprint that too?
Same.
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The grainy effect makes watching Arriving Somewhere... a little irksome, although it is still really good.
I dig the look of the Harridan clip they released, so this could be their best one yet; this looks to be the best stage production they have ever had. It won't bother me if the non-members of the band aren't shown very much; a Porcupine Tree live video is naturally going to show the members of Porcupine Tree the most.
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I always thought that the grainy effect made it feel a lot more like a concert film. Like the ones that they used to release in theaters for midnight showings. I know that it was an idea born out of bad lighting at the show, but I think it ended up being a brilliant artistic idea.
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I think the clip looks and sounds great. Stage production was good. At Ziggo Dome itself I did wish they had extra screens on the sides, the size of the venue is in that range. But on this release that doesn't really matter.
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It puzzles me that DT are being criticized for doing shows with a click track, but SW has been doing it for years and no one complains ???
Anyway this video looks and sounds awesome, so I'll probably order the 4LP set and the bluray. This will be expensive again, but ah well.
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It puzzles me that DT are being criticized for doing shows with a click track, but SW has been doing it for years and no one complains ???
I'm generally against a click, but it's all about how you react to it.
On one end of the spectrum is a band I love dearly, Haken, but are a perfect example of how not to use a click track. They present amazing music live, and it sounds great, but visually it can too often look like, Ross aside, they've gone from practicing at home to the click to practicing at their one spot on stage to the click. On the other end you have something like Ayreon that needs a click for a lot of reasons, but everyone is so engaging (speaking just of the band, not necessarily all the singers) you don't notice or care.
IMO the reason DT gets rightfully criticized for the click is because they lost a key live member, moved to the click, and their show as a result slid too far to the Haken end of that spectrum.
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It puzzles me that DT are being criticized for doing shows with a click track, but SW has been doing it for years and no one complains ???
I'm generally against a click, but it's all about how you react to it.
On one end of the spectrum is a band I love dearly, Haken, but are a perfect example of how not to use a click track. They present amazing music live, and it sounds great, but visually it can too often look like, Ross aside, they've gone from practicing at home to the click to practicing at their one spot on stage to the click. On the other end you have something like Ayreon that needs a click for a lot of reasons, but everyone is so engaging (speaking just of the band, not necessarily all the singers) you don't notice or care.
IMO the reason DT gets rightfully criticized for the click is because they lost a key live member, moved to the click, and their show as a result slid too far to the Haken end of that spectrum.
+1 to all of this.
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Anyone have an idea when preorders for this might show up on LaserCD? Hoping to save on shipping by ordering from them, but seeing some versions sell out makes me not want to wait too long and possibly miss out
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Anyone have an idea when preorders for this might show up on LaserCD? Hoping to save on shipping by ordering from them, but seeing some versions sell out makes me not want to wait too long and possibly miss out
At this rate, I'm not sure they'll even carry it. I've looked and looked but it's been over a week and no sign of C/C Live on there. The deluxe CD/BD set is sold out on Burning Shed so I'm glad I got my order in on day one because if no NA distributors carry it, it'll probably be overpriced on the secondary market for a long time.
-Marc.
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Really weird how I'm only seeing the sets on Burning Shed and PT's site. It was the same with Steven Wilson's new release.
Do they not want more people to buy this?
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Really weird how I'm only seeing the sets on Burning Shed and PT's site. It was the same with Steven Wilson's new release.
Do they not want more people to buy this?
Exclusivity clauses, perhaps? Are they self-published and released on smaller labels? Or maybe it's an artificial scarcity tactic to drive up sales by selling them in limited numbers? If they sell out and there's demand for more, maybe more will be printed.
-Marc.
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I don't think I've chimed in here before, so here goes. Just wanted to share my love for this incredible band. Fear of a Blank Planet and Lightbulb Sun are hands down my favorite albums – I can never get enough of them. That said I enjoy almost all their stuff (On the Sunday of Life is a bit too out there though).
Caught them on their last tour, and wow, what an experience! The energy, the great setlist, the nostalgia – mind-blowing. So, when I heard they're dropping a live album from that tour, needless to say, I'm psyched! Can't wait to relive those epic moments.
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Not sure about exclusivity, I mean some of the sets for Harmony Codex are still listed as sold out/out of stock and don't seem to be anywhere else. I think it was at some book signing that SW signed one of the sets for Codex and told the guy, good that you grabbed one of these as that is it.
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Ken over at Laser updated on this. He said it is direct to consumer and the best he will be able to do is hopefully get the BD/DVD set by release day. Everything else is exclusive to either Burning Shed or PT's store. I want the CD/BD set but that is pricey and already sold out at Burning Shed.
Odd sales strategy here.
Yeah, $95 with shipping for the CD/BD set from PT. Don't think so.
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Truly weird decision. I'm guessing they get to keep more of the margins this way? Not sure why it's limited to the blu-ray sets.
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$160AU for the BR/CD set, a little on the steep side for me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDED9oB0Rc
Fear of a Blank Planet live.
I criticised the Harridan live video for the crap edit, they had acted like there were 3 people on that stage with really weird angles. The edit on this track seems a lot better than the Harridan video. Amazing performance as always.
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Do I see this right? You can't get audio only cds but you can stream it on spotify for free?
Dear Steven, if you don't want my money, just say so.
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i'm listening to it, it sounds great
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I didn't even realize that there are no CD only options. There must be some metrics into how they decide what combos to make available. The availability of some of these combos being restricted to only one or two sites are head scratching.
My boxset just landed in NY probably getting it sometime next week.
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Tell me about it. I simply forgot about it. I would have made a run at the big set but with the shipping it's just a non-starter. They lost a sale, unless something changes.
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Absolutely perverse. This is one of those occasions where you think, ‘f*** it. F*** Wilson’. It’s not like you could ever own all of his stuff, and it’s not like there aren’t a lot of other things to spend yer money on at this time of year. This would have been an automatic purchase, but fg5* it, I’ll spend the money on a Zappa box.
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Eh, it was probably a wise decision. Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.
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Eh, it was probably a wise decision. Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.
I agree, I think selling a vinyl (haven't checked if they are selling one) makes a lot more sense.
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It sucks, but ultimately it is consumer behaviour that causes this. CD sales aren't good in most areas of the world, which is why regular releases are disappearing. Same goes for videogames and films, some major releases don't get a physical version anymore. If it was making them tons of money, any company would still release it that way.
That said, vinyls absolutely sell (though I wonder at what point there is market saturation) but also seems exclusive to their store.
Live album is great btw!
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Eh, it was probably a wise decision. Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.
Well, they did release cd copies, albeit part of a set that became unavailable weeks before its release date. That speaks of plenty of demand to me
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Eh, it was probably a wise decision. Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.
Well, they did release cd copies, albeit part of a set that became unavailable weeks before its release date. That speaks of plenty of demand to me
As far as I am aware that set can still be ordered though?
I do think it sucks for CD collectors. And offcourse the set should have gotten some form of international release, as shipping these days is just ridiculously expensive (even moreso from the UK since Brexit went into effect).
I also think CDs should be added to vinyl releases. That used to be somewhat common for a brief period of time (2010-2015 I'd say).
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Eh, it was probably a wise decision. Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.
Well, they did release cd copies, albeit part of a set that became unavailable weeks before its release date. That speaks of plenty of demand to me
As far as I am aware that set can still be ordered though?
I do think it sucks for CD collectors. And offcourse the set should have gotten some form of international release, as shipping these days is just ridiculously expensive (even moreso from the UK since Brexit went into effect).
I also think CDs should be added to vinyl releases. That used to be somewhat common for a brief period of time (2010-2015 I'd say).
Unavailable in Burning Shed, the go-to for PT stuff.
If anyone has links to other places with copies available, I’d be grateful!
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The official website has a blue ray/cd bundle for 58 euros. And if that is not expensive enough, shipping to Germany would be another 29 euros. So no, not gonna spend that amount of money where I would view the blue ray maybe once.
It's just strange that someone like SW, who condems streaming in every second sentence, doesn't offer a viable alternative.
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The official website has a blue ray/cd bundle for 58 euros. And if that is not expensive enough, shipping to Germany would be another 29 euros. So no, not gonna spend that amount of money where I would view the blue ray maybe once.
It's just strange that someone like SW, who condems streaming in every second sentence, doesn't offer a viable alternative.
I stopped ordering from Burning Shed a while ago because even though you get quality, it is really expensive and with shipping it gets even crazier. It shouldn't be cheaper to order from half across the world compared to within Europe but sadly it is sometimes. As much as I'm a fan of SW (and his projects) I kinda had to take a step back as a collector and just get the essentials and don't pressure myself to own everything. He just releases too much and also puts out a box set for everything these days. If SW is your own musical god and you want everything - that's great. If you also have a jungle of other bands you love as much (or more) then it gets increasingly expensive to be a fan these days.
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I think it’s appropriate they call themselves Burning Shed because ordering from them is like lighting your money on fire.
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This is honestly the case for almost all UK stores except for amazon. Pre-Brexit I ordered from the UK a lot, these days only Amazon is still affordable.
But while the UK is typically the worst, shipping these days has become extremely expensive. I think the stores that were cheaper had or have contracts with a set rate for a certain period of time. More and more companies are getting expensive. I have three examples of similar shipping costs in EU countries: CD Projekt merch from Poland, Square Enix store from France, and Larian in Belgium (?). All 20 euros or higher to the Netherlands. UK unfortunately has VAT on top of it due to Brexit (which is 21% where I live).
(all of this from EU perspective offcourse).
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Can confirm Burning Shed's shipping is horribly expensive even if you live IN the UK.
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IMO BS prices are very reasonable and for living in AU, I don't pay any VAT at all, so prices are less 20%.
Shipping is okay, I have no idea if it's really that expensive.
An example is THC deluxe boxset from BS shipping 21.50UKP, the PT CD/BR deluxe is 31.50UKP from official PT store.
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Burning Shed is BS
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My order arrived and I will be picking it up tomorrow! Looking forward to watching the bluray.
I gave the streaming version a listen and liked what I heard. I also think the clips of Fear of a Blank Planet and I Drive the Hearse look great.
I Drive the Hearse:
https://youtu.be/aH_UjBF2-8s?si=5TasWLELvgKIoiqP (https://youtu.be/aH_UjBF2-8s?si=5TasWLELvgKIoiqP)
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I too got the 4 disc CD/BD set. Looks good. I too heard the streaming version of the album and quite enjoyed it. Looking forward to watching the concert. Kinda wish I had an Atmos setup at home. I didn't know the 2nd BD was audio of the show in high resolution. Stereo mix should be fun.
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BS shipping IS expensive in the uk. Especially when compared with Amazon.
They charge per item, so nothing to be gained by ordering a few things together. Makes them an expensive proposition. Slightly cheaper than the PT official site.
BS do package things nicely though.
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I listened to the streaming version yesterday, and thought it was excellent. I will try to get the Blu-ray.
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BS shipping IS expensive in the uk. Especially when compared with Amazon.
They charge per item, so nothing to be gained by ordering a few things together. Makes them an expensive proposition. Slightly cheaper than the PT official site.
BS do package things nicely though.
Comparing a small indie business to Amazon is not realistic.
Amazon shipping is not real world prices, BS shipping is by weight. and obviously can't afford to take the hit by offering buy more pay less for freight.
A perfect example is, buying a CD from Amazon UK shipping to AU for a triple CD is 2.50UKP, real world price for shipping a single CD to AU is 7.50UKP.
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Amazon has some copies of the BR/DVD as of right now (I just ordered one). It was out of stock yesterday.
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Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
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The sound is really good, just listening to the stereo mix so far. Video is great too. It is interesting the aspect ratio they picked for the video to be super ultrawide but won't fill my ultrawide monitor. I'll have to rip it and reencode the video at a different resolution.
(https://imgur.com/zt5TacZ.jpg)
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Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
Damn, sorry to for your loss and what your family is going through.
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Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
Damn, sorry to for your loss and what your family is going through.
Yes, I echo that. I hope things pick up for you soon, ErHaO.
faizoff, you mentioned wishing you had an Atmos setup. I've got one, 5.1.4, and I don't think the Atmos mix is all that. Sorry, Steven, I know this is heretical. I also think the crowd could have been mixed a little louder, certainly between songs, and some of the fades after and before songs are frustrating for my personal taste. It's like the oddly jarring edit in the solo Albert Hall show. He shouts "enthusiasm!" from outta nowhere between songs but if you were there on the night, you'd know that was the last word from a 20/30 second speech, and hearing it isolation just sounds oddly weird. All in the eye of the beholder, of course, but just leave all that shit in, please.
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Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
So sorry to hear that, hope its all sorted out.
faizoff, you mentioned wishing you had an Atmos setup. I've got one, 5.1.4, and I don't think the Atmos mix is all that. Sorry, Steven, I know this is heretical. I also think the crowd could have been mixed a little louder, certainly between songs, and some of the fades after and before songs are frustrating for my personal taste. It's like the oddly jarring edit in the solo Albert Hall show. He shouts "enthusiasm!" from outta nowhere between songs but if you were there on the night, you'd know that was the last word from a 20/30 second speech, and hearing it isolation just sounds oddly weird. All in the eye of the beholder, of course, but just leave all that shit in, please.
Going to have to re-listen to Albert hall, don't remember that part. I'm assuming the Atmos setup is like a regular TV plus receiver and speakers setup. I wanted to setup one for my PC which is where I do a majority of my viewing.
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Yeah, so mine is a 5.1 AV receiver based set-up. And I've got four height speakers, two in front of the seating position, two behind. They're just below the ceiling although sadly not IN the ceiling. I think The Harmony Codex sounds pretty good in this Atmos set-up although perhaps not as revolutionary as some claim. But this live show definitely could have been a bit more involved and involving. This isn't to say the sound isn't good - of course it is!
Regarding the shout of "enthusiasm!", it happens at the start of Home Invasion. It doesn't make sense in terms of a simple introducing of the song, but it did in the context of the big speech they cut before the song's actual introduction that's still present. It's not gonna cause the downfall of western civilisation but yeah... just makes me cringe a bit :biggrin:
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Can't believe I didn't even notice the "Enthusiasm!" part before lol. It does sound so out of place.
I will have to figure out how I can hook up a receiver to my PC and have a seamless playback experience.
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A couple tracks from the release have come up on my Amazon soundtrack feature, Anesthetize being one of them, and Gavin's drums sound incredible. The guy is on another level, up there among the elites of all time.
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Can't believe I didn't even notice the "Enthusiasm!" part before lol. It does sound so out of place.
Right?! Sorry... you'll hear it every time now :lol
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After hours of chat and calling spread over two days, it seems DHL managed to find my package and I will get in in a week, so hopefully I'll get it!
The audio version has seen some rotation this week and I am enjoying it a lot. It is more guitar and drum centric than previous releases, but the guitars and drums do sound really good and I can't complain given the drummer. Also less vocal effects and less prominent keys than past live releases after doing some comparisons.
Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
Damn, sorry to for your loss and what your family is going through.
Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
Damn, sorry to for your loss and what your family is going through.
Yes, I echo that. I hope things pick up for you soon, ErHaO.
Oh my fucking god, I went to pick up my package, which is the entire thing with signed art and all, and all I got was an empty locker. I am both incredibly sad and angry. DHL Netherlands are so damn bad and incompetent, this will be the fifth time I am calling them for issues in a short time. But unlike the other things, this one stings very hard. Honestly I also am having a very rough time personally due death and disease in my family and this would've been a nice distraction, but I got nothing for my very expensive order.
So sorry to hear that, hope its all sorted out.
Thanks, I usually do internet activity as a distraction/entertainment, so don't go into personal life often, but times are rough.
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I got my C/C Live 2CD/2BD set in the mail yesterday. There was a frightening rattle within the packaging, and upon opening the box set, I found that two of the discs (one in each gatefold) had slipped out of their die-cut pockets. Thankfully they looked OK, but I haven't had a chance to listen to the CDs or watch the BDs yet. Speaking of the gatefolds, they're very nice and extravagant, as is the vinyl-sized photobook that is included, but that's the only reason this set is so big. otherwise, 2CDs/2BDs could've fit in a more economically sized package. As it is, I have PLENTY of over-sized SW-related deluxe sets, so I'm not sure how many more I'll be getting due to space, but I really wanted this one because it included the CDs.
I am off work this weekend, thankfully, so if I'm up for it, I might pop in the BDs and watch the concert. I haven't sat down and put on a new/recently released live concert video in quite some time, so this seems like a good one to go with!
-Marc.
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I got them today! With the signed print. Both the vinyl and BR+CD set are way bigger than I thought. For some reason I was expecting an earbook/artbook for the bluray set, but it's definitely not that.
I checked out the Bluray and the video and sound are fantastic!
I got my C/C Live 2CD/2BD set in the mail yesterday. There was a frightening rattle within the packaging, and upon opening the box set, I found that two of the discs (one in each gatefold) had slipped out of their die-cut pockets. Thankfully they looked OK, but I haven't had a chance to listen to the CDs or watch the BDs yet. Speaking of the gatefolds, they're very nice and extravagant, as is the vinyl-sized photobook that is included, but that's the only reason this set is so big. otherwise, 2CDs/2BDs could've fit in a more economically sized package. As it is, I have PLENTY of over-sized SW-related deluxe sets, so I'm not sure how many more I'll be getting due to space, but I really wanted this one because it included the CDs.
I am off work this weekend, thankfully, so if I'm up for it, I might pop in the BDs and watch the concert. I haven't sat down and put on a new/recently released live concert video in quite some time, so this seems like a good one to go with!
-Marc.
Same, discs loose. Unfortunately one of my CDs did scratch quite obviously, I will be mailing their customer service. Not really acceptable for the price. Bluray was also loose, but those discs don't scratch easily.
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Had a similiar issue to the pair of you. Both CDs contain just a light scuff which was enough on both of them to cause issues ripping the final tracks on both. Pretty poor, really.
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Same here, had the 2nd Bluray disc loose. The last track on the 2nd CD didn't rip correctly either. Otherwise all is good.
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Well, it looks like the big packages are getting a wide release now. Laser CD has them up for preorder with a street date of 2/23/24. Still pricey for those of us in the US.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/closurecontinuation-live-2cd2br-deluxe-edition-preorder
https://www.lasercd.com/vinyl/closurecontinuation-live-4lp-clear-vinyl-preorder
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Well, it looks like the big packages are getting a wide release now. Laser CD has them up for preorder with a street date of 2/23/24. Still pricey for those of us in the US.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/closurecontinuation-live-2cd2br-deluxe-edition-preorder
https://www.lasercd.com/vinyl/closurecontinuation-live-4lp-clear-vinyl-preorder
$80 for the deluxe set? Yikes... still more than what I paid from Burning Shed even after shipping, but I guess Laser CD has to make some money somehow. At least more folks are able to get it now!
-Marc.
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Something is better than nothing I suppose. I just checked and I paid 75 USD total with shipping from burning shed.