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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: SystematicThought on January 05, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
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I don't know how many Van Halen fans there are here, but I love them. They were the first band that I truly became a fan of.
They have a new album coming out next month, A Different Kind of Truth. I am looking forward to that album. They actually played a show tonight in New York at a club.
Here's the details
https://www.nj.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2012/01/van_halen_tour_and_recording_d.html (https://www.nj.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2012/01/van_halen_tour_and_recording_d.html)
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Big fan here too! Pretty excited to hear the new album as well. Although now that this thread is started I'm waiting for all the VH complainers in 3..2..1....
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I'm a huge Van Halen fan too!
I want live footage. :metal
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If I hadn't already blown all my money on Tool and Rammstein tickets, then I would probably try and see them, but this is just inconvenient timing, especially with a potential Rush tour looming on the horizon.
But in any event,
I've always really enjoyed Van Halen and I'm going to approach the new album with cautious optimism. Very curious to see how it turns out.
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Oh and the single comes out next week for a song Tattoo.
I'm with you guys though. I have optimism for this
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Just popped over to the VH forums, they are so swamped they are only allowing registered users on.
Just found this on the VH forums, their performance of "She's the Woman" from last night's show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgFEFIYQ9SA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgFEFIYQ9SA)
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It's good to see them onstage. I do miss seeing Michael Anothy though
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I got into VH when 1984 came out and then they broke up. Been a fanatic ever since. Never got to see them with DLR and was never interested in seeing them with Hagar. Looks like I'll finally get to see them in Toronto. EVH has been my hero for the last 28 years. This will be a dream come true.
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It's good to see them onstage. I do miss seeing Michael Anothy though
Yeah, I agree. Just ain't the same without a Jack Daniels bass on stage.
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Is it true that they don't play any Hagar-era songs? I don't think I would go without that.
rumborak
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Is it true that they don't play any Hagar-era songs? I don't think I would go without that.
rumborak
Nothing at all. I don't think Sammy Hagar liked to do all that many Roth era songs either, aside from a few of the really common ones. DLR wouldn't be capable of any of the Hagar era songs anyway, so I'd rather him not even try.
As a huge fan of all VH, personally I'd love to see both lineups of VH live, although I'm still hanging out to see them with DLR, since the last time they toured here at all was with Cherone.
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I truly believe DLR could not handle the Hagar stuff.
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I truly believe DLR could not handle the Hagar stuff.
does anyone think he could?
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Last Nights set list
https://www.bravewords.com/news/175488
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I love classic DLR era VH. I am intrigued by a new release, but for some reason, I am not excited for it.
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I love classic DLR era VH. I am intrigued by a new release, but for some reason, I am not excited for it.
Same here. I'll get it but.....
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YES!! This is the disc I am looking forward to most in 2012. Love the first six VH albums and from what limited reviews I've heard about this new one, it sounds killer.
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Got to see them on last tour and it was amazing. Looking forward to album and tour
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No Michael Anthony, no Van Halen.
I'll sit this one out.
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No Michael Anthony, no Van Halen.
I'll sit this one out.
3/4 of the original band. More than most bands can muster after 30 years. Hell, 3/4 of the members of the band are NAMED Van Halen. :lol
It's Van Halen.
Here's the full track list for the new album-
https://www.vhnd.com/2012/01/06/track-listing-for-van-halens-new-album/
Can't say any of the song titles excite me, but I'm still very excited to hear the album, or even the single. I just want some impression of what to expect.
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I'm sure I'll find a way to hear some or all of this :P, mostly because I have several cousins who are big VH fans, and I am sure the one will send some of it my way, but Eddie Van Halen will never get another penny from me.
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30 second cut from Tattoo. I don't like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE6LI1xISto
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You can't properly judge a song from such a tiny snippet, especially when it doesn't even include a full chorus.
For the record, I have NEVER liked a song from 30 second snippets. Ever. I always hate snippets and think they sound bland, then often come to love the album. Happened with KISS - Sonic Boom and Whitesnake - Forevermore.
If I had to judge based only on that though, it sounded ok. Nothing at all wrong with it, but it didn't sound like a typical up tempo rocker VH song.
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I agree. I'm just saying I don't like this little sample. It's still an automatic buy for me. I'm one of those guys that hates when a band doesn't put out a new album for years but still tours. I'm not against them making money at all, I just think a band has a little extra Jump (Pun intended) when they touring for a new album. Kiss is a good example with Sonic Boom.
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I only meant "you" as a general statement for snippets, not specifically referring to you. :tup
Nothing wrong with judging a snippet, you just gotta take it for what it is. I find that snippets often don't work for me out of the context of the whole song. I'm indifferent to the snippet. Didn't dislike it, didn't excite me either. Still an automatic buy from me though. Thanks for posting it. I've been trying to keep up to date with everything about it, but the sources are all over the place.
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NP!! We'll all get to hear the tune in full on the 9th!
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I didn't like anything about that 30-second clip either.
And checking out one of the live clips from the other night, what is with DLR's overalls and that hat? :lol :lol :lol
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Eddie Van Halen will never get another penny from me.
This.
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I got to see VH back when they did the reunion tour with Hagar. Besides Mikes bass solo, the concert was amazing. The whole band seemed on, they played a few DLR songs and they sounded good. After they let mike go and toured again with DLR, I was interested, but I think my anger for what they did to mike made me not want to spend the ridiculous price of the ticket. Now that a lot of time has passed, I think I can get over with what happened, but I'm not really anticipating a good album. Well see.
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I got to see VH back when they did the reunion tour with Hagar. Besides Mikes bass solo, the concert was amazing. The whole band seemed on, they played a few DLR songs and they sounded good. After they let mike go and toured again with DLR, I was interested, but I think my anger for what they did to mike made me not want to spend the ridiculous price of the ticket. Now that a lot of time has passed, I think I can get over with what happened, but I'm not really anticipating a good album. Well see.
Man I felt the opposite. I was bored out of my mind and was pissed I spent the money I did. I felt the Balance and F.U.C.K tours were much better.
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About what I expected. Just some good time rock n roll
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I got to see VH back when they did the reunion tour with Hagar. Besides Mikes bass solo, the concert was amazing. The whole band seemed on, they played a few DLR songs and they sounded good. After they let mike go and toured again with DLR, I was interested, but I think my anger for what they did to mike made me not want to spend the ridiculous price of the ticket. Now that a lot of time has passed, I think I can get over with what happened, but I'm not really anticipating a good album. Well see.
Man I felt the opposite. I was bored out of my mind and was pissed I spent the money I did. I felt the Balance and F.U.C.K tours were much better.
That was my one and only time seeing them, maybe had I seen them earlier I would agree with you.
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I knew it wouldn't be long before the complaints about Mike (or any number of other classic VH arguments started). I completely understand most people's feeling on the issue. I HATED not seeing Mike in the band but shit happens... especially in bands. Hell bands today can't keep a line-up together past a couple albums if that.
This particular situation boils down to a rift in the band (both sides to blame for that) and then Ed wanting to play with his son (hard to complain much about that). Again, I hated they ALL created a situation where Mike wasn't in the band any more but I'd imagine Mike is happy with Chickenfoot and would be happy for the kid....Wolf has certainly developed his natural genetic talents and has his chops down quite well.
https://youtu.be/GzNNg9ALr8w
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I didn't like anything about that 30-second clip either.
And checking out one of the live clips from the other night, what is with DLR's overalls and that hat? :lol :lol :lol
The idea I think has to do with the new album cover having the big train on it etc. Dave is dressed like a train conductor?
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I knew it wouldn't be long before the complaints about Mike (or any number of other classic VH arguments started). I completely understand most people's feeling on the issue. I HATED not seeing Mike in the band but shit happens... especially in bands. Hell bands today can't keep a line-up together past a couple albums if that.
This particular situation boils down to a rift in the band (both sides to blame for that) and then Ed wanting to play with his son (hard to complain much about that). Again, I hated they ALL created a situation where Mike wasn't in the band any more but I'd imagine Mike is happy with Chickenfoot and would be happy for the kid....Wolf has certainly developed his natural genetic talents and has his chops down quite well.
https://youtu.be/GzNNg9ALr8w
Actually, ED for years has had a problem with Mike and his royalties. His world were, "Mike doesn't write the songs". In the 2004 reunion tour Mike was paid way less than he normally would. Sammy and the manager took a smaller % to give to Mike.
If we go by Ed assertion of writing. His brother Alex should get less because he doesn't write music either. Yet He got a full cut. This is why Ed was wrong over the years.
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Seeing that I never saw them live, I will probably go to the show, just so I can cross it off the list, as long as ticket prices aren't too much.
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That 2004 "Tour" was an abomination all around.... It was clear they didn't want to be together at that point. Ed was already upset that Mike had pretty much sided with Sammy at that time... So in turn come the easy arguments about royalties etc. I'll say this again... I understand the issues... I've heard it all and read it all. I'm not taking sides cause they ALL caused it IMO. This shit happens in every band and even in families. I'll say this much though, when you have two popular singers and both cant be in the band at the same time you're always gonna have 50% of the crowd ready to complain about anything at any given time.
Where they are now everyone SHOULD be happy. Mike is in a band full of talent with Chickenfoot, Sammy has a superb band with his buddy in the band and Ed has his son playing with him in VH.
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That's the problem with Ed. Mike was friends with Sammy and VH wasn't touring so Mike asked it he could go on the road and Ed said no problem except it was. Ed wasn't honest with Mike at all.
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I honestly don't like mike much as a bassist. I also will admit to olnot knowing details as to why he is no longer in the band and have probably rushed to judgement.
I will say this though. I love Hagar. I'm not a huge fan of his solo music, he has some good songs. I very much like his personality. I love his vocals and he's a solid guitarist. I love the work he did with van halen. I also think he is a great performer.
My opinions on mike stem much from the fact that I love Hagar and I didnt like the way Eddie clashed with Sammy and the way mike was treated by eddie either. I will chose Hagar plus mike over Eddie.
Also to add, while I'm not a big fan of like as a bassist, he does have my favorite backing vocals and to me, that was just as large of a part of their success on early album as anything else.
I feel like I am in a minority with these comments, but oh well. I still expect to give the new album a listen and I do hope to enjoy it. I also looked at the dates and will consider seeing them at the garden.
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And I will listen to it too. I just didn't like how Ed treated Mike. That's all.
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Saw them in 2007 and was extremely disappointed. Eddie was horrible. His guitar playing was laughable. Wolfgang wasn't ready to play shows of that caliber. DLR wasn't that bad, although quite pompous.
I'm not a huge VH fan though, anyways. The first album was great but I never really had the desire to go any further than that, especially after seeing what they have become. :tdwn Hope the album doesn't such for the fans of the band, but I personally have no interest in it. Seems like one of the bands that would be better off throwing in the towel, along with a most of the older classic rock bands.
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If everything had stayed together during the Balance era (Eddie stops drinking, etc.) they could have stayed really strong as I loved the Balance album.
Also, Hagar era is my favorite
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I knew it wouldn't be long before the complaints about Mike (or any number of other classic VH arguments started). I completely understand most people's feeling on the issue. I HATED not seeing Mike in the band but shit happens... especially in bands. Hell bands today can't keep a line-up together past a couple albums if that.
This particular situation boils down to a rift in the band (both sides to blame for that) and then Ed wanting to play with his son (hard to complain much about that). Again, I hated they ALL created a situation where Mike wasn't in the band any more but I'd imagine Mike is happy with Chickenfoot and would be happy for the kid....Wolf has certainly developed his natural genetic talents and has his chops down quite well.
How are both sides to blame? What did Michael Anthony do wrong other than stay friends with Sammy Hagar following the latter's fallout with the brothers?
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I really shouldn't have replied earlier as I don't intend to turn this into a VH argument thread (so, so tired of that in VH world). I'll just say that none of us are fully aware of all that has gone on within the band. VH themselves rarely speak on any of the issues. I know what HAS been said but that's only coming from one side, so that in itself says something.
I love Mike and wish he would have remained in the band, I'm just understanding that this kind of crap goes on in every band in some way or another and often times in family. Shit happens. As I stated before, everyone should be pretty happy at this point. Mike's in a great band. Sammy is playing with his buddy in a great band and EVH is playing with his son in VH.
I'm looking forward to good times, good music and maybe some healing going forward. I'll leave it at that....
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Chickenfoot is a great band?
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Chickenfoot is a great band?
Well, I haven't really listened to their material, maybe I should have said "very talented band". Sammy and Mike, Satriani on guitar and Chad Smith on drums....
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Saw them in 2007 and was extremely disappointed. Eddie was horrible. His guitar playing was laughable. Wolfgang wasn't ready to play shows of that caliber. DLR wasn't that bad, although quite pompous.
I'm not a huge VH fan though, anyways. The first album was great but I never really had the desire to go any further than that, especially after seeing what they have become. :tdwn Hope the album doesn't such for the fans of the band, but I personally have no interest in it. Seems like one of the bands that would be better off throwing in the towel, along with a most of the older classic rock bands.
I'm not sure which band you saw. I saw them on the same tour and enjoyed the hell out of it.
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I saw Van Halen on the OU812 tour and they played one of the best shows I've ever seen a band play.
That being said...Eddie Van Halen is totally full of shit, and I wouldn't pay a dime to him.
I remember seeing somewhere-I think it was on MTV, one of their last gasps at being able to do music journalism-a series of interviews Eddie and Alex did, one about David Lee Roth leaving the band, one about Sammy Hagar leaving the band, at the time each singer left.
They were identical.
Eddie said the exact same things, practically word for word, about the problems he had with both DLR and Hagar. Alex just sat on the couch beside of him the entire time, not saying a word, nodding and yes-manning. Eddie Van Halen lives in a delusional little world, where he is the victim of everyone else, and he would be doing just fine if those asshole singers wouldn't fuck shit up for him. Booting Michael Anthony out of the band was low, and, no, Michael Anthony didn't do a damn thing wrong.
The man who wrecked Van Halen was Eddie Van Halen. That simple. And if this album happens to be any good, I'll be the first person to admit it. But I won't buy it, or tickets to see the band. Eddie doesn't deserve my money.
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From what I've heard, Alex is the quiet manipulator and tells his brother what do to. That being said, Alex is my favorite band member and from what I hear nowadays is that Alex is the nice guy. Eddie seems cool now too.
My least favorite member of Van Halen was their manager in the Balance era. After their former one Ed Leffler died (which essentially destroyed the group), they brought in Ray Danniels... Rush's manager. What a backstabbing loser that guy is. It's evident on the Rush documentary as well, when on the bonus features, Geddy discusses how Ray wanted to kick him out of the band in the early days. He tries to deflect the question and avoid it. It's really awkward but telling of his asshole persona.
Anyways, here is a cool video of Van Halen visiting a teenage fan in the hospital on the 5150 tour. The kid died two months later. Everyone seems REALLY down to earth in this video. Including Eddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoYa8BdXbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoYa8BdXbI)
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I saw Van Halen on the OU812 tour and they played one of the best shows I've ever seen a band play.
That being said...Eddie Van Halen is totally full of shit, and I wouldn't pay a dime to him.
I remember seeing somewhere-I think it was on MTV, one of their last gasps at being able to do music journalism-a series of interviews Eddie and Alex did, one about David Lee Roth leaving the band, one about Sammy Hagar leaving the band, at the time each singer left.
They were identical.
Eddie said the exact same things, practically word for word, about the problems he had with both DLR and Hagar. Alex just sat on the couch beside of him the entire time, not saying a word, nodding and yes-manning. Eddie Van Halen lives in a delusional little world, where he is the victim of everyone else, and he would be doing just fine if those asshole singers wouldn't fuck shit up for him. Booting Michael Anthony out of the band was low, and, no, Michael Anthony didn't do a damn thing wrong.
The man who wrecked Van Halen was Eddie Van Halen. That simple. And if this album happens to be any good, I'll be the first person to admit it. But I won't buy it, or tickets to see the band. Eddie doesn't deserve my money.
I kind of always felt that Eddie was essentially an asshole with a huge ego. While it probably lead to the almost demise of Van Halen a few times, it hasnt and probably wont mean I wouldnt like his music.... I still listen to Metallica even though I hate Lars.
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Just heard all of Tattoo. Pretty mediocre.
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Absolutely. This gets a huge MEH from me. It's not bad...it's just.....SAFE. I mean...yeah, just "SAFE"... Not the "WOW! VAN HALEN IS BACK!" that I was hoping for.
And this comes from someone who really thought both "Me Wise Magic" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" were brilliant, and really proved they could still make amazing music with DLR.
This doesn't even touch that. A very ho-hum track. I hope the rest of the album is better.
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Just heard the song. The chorus is weak as piss, but aside from that it's a pretty decent song. I hope it's not indicative of the rest of the album, or one of the better tracks, but it's definitely not bad. Still a song I'd listen to as part of the whole album.
Reminds me more of mid 90s VH or solo DLR than typical VH.
Also, DLR is sounding really good considering. :tup
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Did not like that at all.
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New song was quite underwhelming upon first listen. I really hope all songs aren't in the mid-tempo range like this one. Decent song I guess, but nothing more.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfQ-hV3WtA&feature=player_embedded
Well there it is. Is it a good start for a band who has much to prove?
First off, I hear some people I've talked to complaining its too pop? Has anyone ever listened to Van Halen before? Jump...Pretty Woman...Dance the night away......
Van Halen was never exactly Slayer.
Anyhoo, its not bad. Its not a world beater for a first single if you want to blow peoples minds but its cool.
It is disappointing to hear they tapped into a song they played back in 78 as there first single. That doesn't exactly paint a picture of inspiration for there creative juices in 2012.
I will keep an open mind and see what comes but I'm not expecting anything earth shattering based on a first song that was written over 30 years ago. Not a great sign.
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Tattoo isn't an old song as far as I'm aware. "She's the Woman" is though. Tattoo sounds nothing like old era VH to me. It sounds more like >90s era VH/DLR to me.
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I think tattoo is pretty solid.
If anything, it has made me interested in hearing the rest of the album.
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Tattoo isn't an old song as far as I'm aware. "She's the Woman" is though. Tattoo sounds nothing like old era VH to me. It sounds more like >90s era VH/DLR to me.
I read they were playing it on stage back in 78. It was rewritten a bit.
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Tattoo isn't an old song as far as I'm aware. "She's the Woman" is though. Tattoo sounds nothing like old era VH to me. It sounds more like >90s era VH/DLR to me.
I read they were playing it on stage back in 78. It was rewritten a bit.
Are you sure you're not getting confused with She's the Woman? I haven't heard anything about Tattoo being an old song, and many articles about this single are mentioning She's the Woman, as they played it their recent club show.
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Tattoo is one of the worst rock songs i've ever heard, wtf has happened to this band????
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Tattoo is one of the worst rock songs i've ever heard, wtf has happened to this band????
That's either hyperbole, or you don't listen to much rock. There is much, much worse out there.
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cant get on youtube here, i cant wait to hear it. is it a musical equivalent to indiana jones 4?
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Nope...I'm hearing more and more reports that it's not just She's the Woman....most, if not all of the album is re-worked old stuff.
Sorry, don't have a source at the moment. Too early.... But I'm sure about Tattoo. It's a re-worked version of an old song called "Down In Flames"...
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Nope...I'm hearing more and more reports that it's not just She's the Woman....most, if not all of the album is re-worked old stuff.
Sorry, don't have a source at the moment. Too early.... But I'm sure about Tattoo. It's a re-worked version of an old song called "Down In Flames"...
I just checked it out on Youtube. Progression sounds the same, and the riffs very similar, although the vocal melodies and structure seem entirely different to me.
Reworked or not, it sounds sufficiently rewritten to me. It just doesn't sound at all like the style of a 70s/80s VH song to me.
I'd love to hear a source on anything else too. I'm not familiar with their demos, just all of the studio recordings. :tup
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For all of EVH's bragging about how much stuff he's been writing over the last 15 years....this just seems like a pretty lazy move. If the stuff he's been writing since 3 has been so "killer"...why make an album of re-written demos from the 70's that never made the cut in the first place? :huh:
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Tattoo isn't an old song as far as I'm aware. "She's the Woman" is though. Tattoo sounds nothing like old era VH to me. It sounds more like >90s era VH/DLR to me.
I read they were playing it on stage back in 78. It was rewritten a bit.
Are you sure you're not getting confused with She's the Woman? I haven't heard anything about Tattoo being an old song, and many articles about this single are mentioning She's the Woman, as they played it their recent club show.
Yup, I'm sure. Their is more then one oldie on the record.
also, when is Wolfie no longer going to look 12 years old?
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Yup, I'm sure. Their is more then one oldie on the record.
also, when is Wolfie no longer going to look 12 years old?
jammindude's evidence already supported you on that. :tup
And that kid is never going to look more than 15 between the baby fat and that haircut. :lol
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Yup, I'm sure. Their is more then one oldie on the record.
also, when is Wolfie no longer going to look 12 years old?
jammindude's evidence already supported you on that. :tup
And that kid is never going to look more than 15 between the baby fat and that haircut. :lol
I was thinking when I watched the video he was going to look like a man at this point. Ummm...nope.
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Saw them in 2007 and was extremely disappointed. Eddie was horrible. His guitar playing was laughable. Wolfgang wasn't ready to play shows of that caliber. DLR wasn't that bad, although quite pompous.
I'm not a huge VH fan though, anyways. The first album was great but I never really had the desire to go any further than that, especially after seeing what they have become. :tdwn Hope the album doesn't such for the fans of the band, but I personally have no interest in it. Seems like one of the bands that would be better off throwing in the towel, along with a most of the older classic rock bands.
I'm not sure which band you saw. I saw them on the same tour and enjoyed the hell out of it.
I am with ZBomber here. Saw them on the 2007/2008 tour and was extremely disappointed between Eddie's sloppy playing and DLR's muted presence. Having seen DLR solo when he co-headlined with Hagar, DLR was much more animated and owned the stage that night. When he was with Van Halen, it was as if he was told explicitly to tone it down to ensure that Eddie was not upstaged or overshadowed.
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Saw them in 2007 and was extremely disappointed. Eddie was horrible. His guitar playing was laughable. Wolfgang wasn't ready to play shows of that caliber. DLR wasn't that bad, although quite pompous.
I'm not a huge VH fan though, anyways. The first album was great but I never really had the desire to go any further than that, especially after seeing what they have become. :tdwn Hope the album doesn't such for the fans of the band, but I personally have no interest in it. Seems like one of the bands that would be better off throwing in the towel, along with a most of the older classic rock bands.
I'm not sure which band you saw. I saw them on the same tour and enjoyed the hell out of it.
I am with ZBomber here. Saw them on the 2007/2008 tour and was extremely disappointed between Eddie's sloppy playing and DLR's muted presence. Having seen DLR solo when he co-headlined with Hagar, DLR was much more animated and owned the stage that night. When he was with Van Halen, it was as if he was told explicitly to tone it down to ensure that Eddie was not upstaged or overshadowed.
When he toured with Sammy, he had a chip on his shoulder and had something to prove. Now he can just be Dave being Dave, and that aint pretty at times.
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The actual video for Tattoo:
https://vimeo.com/34261064
Thud.
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awful awful chorus
guitar solo is awesome! wasnt expecting it, also Lie solo at the beginning of it.
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Okay, I went into Tattoo with an open mind, but wow... that was ..... *awful*. It's a good solo but it's nothing he hasn't done before. I find Chickenfoot way better than this. Go Sammy!
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Okay, I went into Tattoo with an open mind, but wow... that was ..... *awful*. It's a good solo but it's nothing he hasn't done before. I find Chickenfoot way better than this. Go Sammy!
I'm sorry, but Chickenfoot III makes this song look like gold. Chickenfoot is "stock rock" at its most bland.
And I say that as a big Hagar and Michael Anthony fan. Unfortunately, Satriani just doesn't know how to rock at all.
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i just wasnt sure Eddie could still play like that, hearing all the bad reviews about his playing in recent years. glad he's still got it
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It's not that uncommon for a band to use old material. The Eagles did it and some of their biggest hits are from those reworked songs.
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Well I popped in Big Foot since I haven't heard anything from their III album yet. I'll stand by this statement. I'll take Chickenfoot over Van Halen right now. :tup
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I wasn't kidding this song is atrocious.
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it had the good time feel I expected, but I hope there is some more :metal songs on the album
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First impression: god, they're really missing Michael Anthony's backing vocals. Not saying he could save the bridge and chorus, but it's really missing something there.
Second impression: solo sounds like someone who is copping EVH, not actually EVH himself.
Last impression: it isn't BAD by any stretch of the imagination, but man, it's fucking BLAND.
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I'll tell you what I get out of the video is who HAS taken care of themselves and who has NOT.
I think DLR comes across smelling like a rose. The lyrics leave something to be desired, but his swagger, his delivery, his cockiness, and his voice have not lost a step IMO. And the guy has moves that would make Fred Estaire go white and steady himself on the furniture. AND HE'S 57 YEARS OLD!!!
Eddie on the other hand, is playing a riff that sounds like an AC/DC scrap heap. No fire in his approach *AT ALL*... even his solo sounds phoned in. Pretty sad.
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Yawn
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This is a week introduction to the new album and with another song played already that was not that great, i don't think i will be buying it. My 10 year only could have written this song which in the 80's was part of the fun of Van Halen but now it just seems kind of lame. It was fun to watch Dave in the 80's dance around but now to see him hop around on a blow(07-08 tour) up mike is just creepy. This was my favorite band for all the years from 78-84 but they waited too long and I'm not feeling the magic at all. That could change id Ed can surprise me in concert but I have my doughts if the 2007 show is any indication. Then again Edward said he cured himself of cancer so maybe another miracle will happen.
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Yeah the single is weak, but bear in mind Jump was the single from 1984 and it completely blew donkey chucks yet the album overall was pretty darn good.
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Yeah the single is weak, but bear in mind Jump was the single from 1984 and it completely blew donkey chucks yet the album overall was pretty darn good.
Jump might be pop, but it was excellent pop.. this is kinda bland, cheap video too far from the days when they were the most excessive band on the planet.
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
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Jump is a great song. Some of you are out of your minds. :biggrin:
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Jump is a great song. Some of you are out of your minds. :biggrin:
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The biggest problem this song has is that it really could have been any band that did this song. It's so generic that unless I didn't know DLR was back in Van Halen I would have guessed it was just another solo song from him. Eddie does deliver some of the Van Halen we all love but the two biggest disappointments come from Wolfgang and Alex. Now Wolfgang I can sympathize with. He's new to the scene, new to Van Halen, certainly doesn't have the presence or ability of Michael Anthony but then there is Alex and that's where I really got surprised. For a moment during the song I honestly second guessed that Alex was even playing on this song. If there is one thing I got used to with Van Halen was not only hearing Eddie's screaming guitar tone, but Alex's drumming.
It's ok but it's so oookay that for a Van Halen song it's way below par for me. It really needed to have more tempo and made a bit more bright and vibrant.
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who was the guy that was raving about new VH a while ago? for some reason i think it was Nuno Bettencourt, but i can't remember
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B. A. D.
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
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Havent heard the song yet, but after reading the responses hear, im not so sure I want to hear it.
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I don't hate it. But is this really the best that they can come up with affter years of working on this album?
It sounds more like DLR's last few solo albums- he hasn't written a decent vocal melody since (the awesome) A Li'l Aint Enough for me.
Solo was a typcal EVH solo, nothing special. Guitar sound was good but certainly not "Brown".
Let's hope there's a few great riffs on the rest of the album.
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It makes me wonder how Axl, the owner of Metalsucks praises this but not the Beyond Death Magnetic EP Metallica put out. Tattoo just doesn't feel inspired at all.
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Jump is a great song. Some of you are out of your minds. :biggrin:
Yeah, but 1984 has way better songs then Jump.
I actually really like this song. The low voice parts remind me of Me Wise Magic
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
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lolk
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Against my better judgement, I watched the video for Tatoo.
That song is fucking awful.
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Jump is a great song. Some of you are out of your minds. :biggrin:
Yeah, but 1984 has way better songs then Jump.
I actually really like this song. The low voice parts remind me of Me Wise Magic
just listened to Me Wise Magic and can't Get This Here No More from the best of Vol 1. Good songs. If the album sounds like those it will be good.
nothing wrong with Jump, for what it is, but 1984 had great songs (and the usual couple of shockers). I'm not the biggest VH fan in the world, I find only half the songs on their very short albums to live up to the hype. Fair Warning is a great album though.
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Hagar Era>Roth Era though. Why? Balance and 5150
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
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I gave it a few more listens and it is growing on me. i love that long sustain at the end of Eddie's solo that is a nice touch. True to who ever was saying Alex's part is lame. How boring can a drum beat get. But all in all i am starting to look forward to the rest of it.
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^^^^^^^^^
In his defense....havn't we been hearing for years now that his spinal problems have made it next to impossible for him to play at all?
I think he's gotten to Phil Collins level of injury...but he can't quit because it's his name, his brother, his nephew. I honestly think the guy is totally playing through the pain, and you can bet he didn't even shoot this video without the best pain killers money can buy.
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My 10 year only could have written this song which in the 80's was part of the fun of Van Halen but now it just seems kind of lame.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
Can people stop with this retarded criticism? Considering how pathetically baseless and lame it is, it's ridiculously overused. You know what? I welcome both of you to get your kids to write better songs so they can sell tens of millions of albums too.
Jump is a great song. Some of you are out of your minds. :biggrin:
I must be out of my mind too, because I'm agreeing with you. :lol :tup
Jump is a damn well constructed pop-rock song, and blows this song away. It's got that iconic and memorable synth riff that gives the whole song such a unique sound, a great upbeat rhythm, an amazing pre-chorus, a catchy chorus, a blazing guitar solo. I would say it's one of my all time favourite songs.
While I don't dislike Tattoo at all, it's very straightforward and has a relatively weak chorus. Not even a comparison.
Hagar Era>Roth Era though. Why? Balance and 5150
Balance is one of VH's worst albums, but 5150 is a fantastic album. I'd say VH1 is the only other VH album that definitely beats it.
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I love Balance for some reason. I just have memories associated with it. And I guess I just like it...
Anyways, some of the songs may be direct demos rewritten, but She's The Woman will at least be somewhat different as the solo from that song was used on Mean Streets
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I love Balance for some reason. I just have memories associated with it. And I guess I just like it...
Anyways, some of the songs may be direct demos rewritten, but She's The Woman will at least be somewhat different as the solo from that song was used on Mean Streets
From the live performance of it at their recent club show, people have said the solo has been redone. I think the rest was pretty much exactly as the demo though.
And I don't think Balance is bad, I just don't find it particularly interesting. They do have worse albums (and not just VH3 :p ).
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Does 3 even count? :lol
Although I do like Without You. That's about it though.
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Well no, I guess it doesn't count. :lol I also don't like Women and Children First very much, and Diver Down only has one or two redeeming tracks, so those count.
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Women and Children first reminds me of summer for some reason, but I don't like it as much. The last half is okay after Romeo Delight, Simple Rhyme is cool.
Diver Down is Dave's album and I like that album. Intruder into Pretty Woman is excellent and Little Guitars is great. I've also never really liked Fair Warning apart from the album art
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
Whatever you be smokin' it must be some powerful stuff. :hat :P
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Women and Children first reminds me of summer for some reason, but I don't like it as much. The last half is okay after Romeo Delight, Simple Rhyme is cool.
Diver Down is Dave's album and I like that album. Intruder into Pretty Woman is excellent and Little Guitars is great. I've also never really liked Fair Warning apart from the album art
On Diver Down I love Dancing in the Street, and that's about it. I don't like anything about Women and Children First. It feels like a rushed album with no thought. The best it has is And The Cradle Will Rock, which is just really sad.
I quite like Fair Warning though. It does have a few songs I don't care for, and it doesn't have a lot of hits, but it's a good heavier VH album. Unchained is one of my favourites, and the first three tracks are great too.
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Fair Warning is awesome; I think that is definitely the 2nd best album of the Roth era, behind the debut of course.
F.U.C.K., Balance and 5150 would round out my VH top 5.
III is still a good album, damn it. Some of the songs haven't aged well for me, but Once is still one of my favorite VH tunes, and Without You, From Afar, Fire in the Hole, Dirty Water Dog and Ballot or the Bullet are all good tunes.
Diver Down is easily the worst, with OU812 only a little better.
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I like that shot at Dave with the album title OU812. But where is the bass?
Blob: Unchained seems to rank in the top 3 on a lot of people's VH song lists. I was always surprised by that. And concerning WACF sounding rushed. It was recorded live in one take without any fixes. That part on Everybody Wants Some where Dave is interrupted by the guitar, that's a mistake. So I guess that is kind of rushed :P
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Fair Warning is awesome; I think that is definitely the 2nd best album of the Roth era, behind the debut of course.
For me it would be a tough call between Fair Warning, VH2 and 1984 for second place. 1984 doesn't have the consistency, but the strength of the good songs makes up for it for me. Nothing can top the first album though.
F.U.C.K., Balance and 5150 would round out my VH top 5.
F.U.C.K and 5150 would definitely be top 5 for me. Balance has never struck with me, although I don't dislike it.
III is still a good album, damn it. Some of the songs haven't aged well for me, but Once is still one of my favorite VH tunes, and Without You, From Afar, Fire in the Hole, Dirty Water Dog and Ballot or the Bullet are all good tunes.
We'll have to agree to disagree on VH3. :tup
Diver Down is easily the worst, with OU812 only a little better.
What are your thoughts on Women and Children First? For me that's worse than Diver Down by a smidge. OU812 is definitely at the bottom with them, although it still has quite a few songs I like.
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Somewhat surprised by the lack of love for Women and Children First. "And The Cradle Will Rock", "Everybody Wants Some", and "Romeo Delight" all rip and "Take Your Whiskey Home" is pretty sweet too (love the acoustic into). I know it's not amongst their top albums but it's still very good IMO.
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W&CF is solid. And the Cradle Will Rock, Everybody Wants Some, Fools, Could This Be Magic? and In a Simply Rhyme are all major winners. The middle of the album isn't that great, but nothing stands out as being bad or anything; just not notable.
I've never thought II was that great. It is solid overall, but only has a few songs that really stand out. If I did a VH top 25, nothing from II would make it.
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Somewhat surprised by the lack of love for Women and Children First. "And The Cradle Will Rock", "Everybody Wants Some", and "Romeo Delight" all rip and "Take Your Whiskey Home" is pretty sweet too (love the acoustic into). I know it's not amongst their top albums but it's still very good IMO.
I've never heard the original version of Romeo Delight, but Annihilator's cover was really radular.
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Not even Spanish Fly?
I just love the dedication on the back of II. To The Sheraton Inn (seventh floor), Madison, Wisconsin
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I've never thought II was that great. It is solid overall, but only has a few songs that really stand out. If I did a VH top 25, nothing from II would make it.
Somebody Get Me a Doctor is a definite standout to me, although given how strong much of their other material is (especially if we're including Hagar era here), I doubt it would crack top 25 for me though. I think the first half of the album is quite strong, it's the second half where it fizzles out for me.
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Spanish Fly is awesome, but I don't really consider EVH's solos as real songs that I would rate next to their regular songs.
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True.
I agree though Blob that the 2nd half just kind of fizzles out. I do love Somebody Get Me a Doctor though, I agree with that. Beautiful Girls is pretty good though. Light Up The Sky as well. That one just always clicked with me
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I think Women in Love is one of the better tunes on II.
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OK I must be the only one who actually likes it. It's not the song of the century or anything, but I definitely wouldnt call it bad, and I really love the bridge for some reason.
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Got my ticket for the Toronto show. :metal
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I really like Balance. Again some poor songs but the good makes up for it. every VH album has 2-3 less than stellar songs.
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Balance is a fantastic album, easily second of the Hagar era (behind 5150).
Diver Down is mostly awful.
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I like all of their albums with notable exception to III which I sold after two days. The only album that really isn't stand outish for me is Van Halen II.
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
Whatever you be smokin' it must be some powerful stuff. :hat :P
If you honestly think Jump has some earth shattering riff you must be smoking Plutonium Nyborg!!!
Jump is a wimpy pop song that is joke in Van Halen's career.
End....of...story..............
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Balance is a fantastic album, easily second of the Hagar era (behind 5150).
Diver Down is mostly awful.
Funny - for me, F.U.C.K. destroys them so easily that I'm surprised anyone would not rank it #1 (of the Hagar era), regardless of taste and all.
Diver Down is pretty bad, but I still love a few songs on it (Secrets, Cathedral, Little Guitars).
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
Whatever you be smokin' it must be some powerful stuff. :hat :P
If you honestly think Jump has some earth shattering riff you must be smoking Plutonium Nyborg!!!
Jump is a wimpy pop song that is joke in Van Halen's career.
End....of...story..............
The song was VH's only number 1 hit, that helped the album to sell over 10 million copies in the US, and remains a well known popular song to this day thanks to that very famous riff. Sounds like anything but a joke to me.
End....of.....story......... ;)
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jump is iconic, End....of...story..............
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Hey I'm new here, so hi. Anyway I'm quite disappointed with the single but I guess it's about what you'd expect. Reunion albums rarely work. EVH's drinking has hindered his talent, and MA's backing vocals are sorely missed. I understand people wanting to hear VH other than the hits, but how about just calling radio stations and requesting forgotten gems like Somebody Get Me a Doctor and I'm The One? THOSE ARE GREAT!!!
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
Whatever you be smokin' it must be some powerful stuff. :hat :P
If you honestly think Jump has some earth shattering riff you must be smoking Plutonium Nyborg!!!
Jump is a wimpy pop song that is joke in Van Halen's career.
End....of...story..............
The song was VH's only number 1 hit, that helped the album to sell over 10 million copies in the US, and remains a well known popular song to this day thanks to that very famous riff. Sounds like anything but a joke to me.
End....of.....story......... ;)
I wonder how many #1 hits his 11 year old wrote?
end...of.....story..........
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i actually dont think the new song is that bad now, just heard it on the radio on my way to work. its just an awful prechorus (right before the tattoo! tattoo! chorus-y part). it really could be alot worse
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i actually dont think the new song is that bad now, just heard it on the radio on my way to work. its just an awful prechorus (right before the tattoo! tattoo! chorus-y part). it really could be alot worse
Really? That's actually my favorite part...really melodic and catchy imo.
(are you talking about the one that goes "swamp meet sally, tramp stamp tat..."
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Like Kev said the debut and Diver Down are my favs. Love 5150 and Balance. Not a fan of half of F.U.C.K.
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Somewhat surprised by the lack of love for Women and Children First. "And The Cradle Will Rock", "Everybody Wants Some", and "Romeo Delight" all rip and "Take Your Whiskey Home" is pretty sweet too (love the acoustic into). I know it's not amongst their top albums but it's still very good IMO.
And In A Simple Rhyme is the most underrated song of the DLR era. "Ain't life grand when you finally hit it" is such a classic line.
AS far as Jump goes, it's easily in my Bottom 10 DLR era tracks. Easily.
Just heard Tattoo. Not as bad as I expected, though certainly not great. It's enough to keep me interested for the new album. It's amazing how a lack of a bass player can cause so much angst. I agree though. His backing vocals were a major component to their classic sound.
I thought DLR sounded great even if he looked ridiculous in the video. I'm taking Tatoo over Panama any day of the week!
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you CANNOT compare this song to Jump. Come on.
I won't cause its better. Sorry, but Jump was cheese imo.
Absolutely THIS! Tattoo is pretty 'meh'...but it's worlds better than Jump.
No doubt. My 11 year old daughter comes up with better hooks on her keyboard then the base of Jump. Its a weak pop song.
Whatever you be smokin' it must be some powerful stuff. :hat :P
If you honestly think Jump has some earth shattering riff you must be smoking Plutonium Nyborg!!!
Jump is a wimpy pop song that is joke in Van Halen's career.
End....of...story..............
The song was VH's only number 1 hit, that helped the album to sell over 10 million copies in the US, and remains a well known popular song to this day thanks to that very famous riff. Sounds like anything but a joke to me.
End....of.....story......... ;)
I wonder how many #1 hits his 11 year old wrote?
end...of.....story..........
Oh please. That's your response? LOL
Cause will all know pop music and number 1 hits equate to great music right.
:rollin
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(are you talking about the one that goes "swamp meet sally, tramp stamp tat..."
yea that part. i dont like it
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Oh please. That's your response? LOL
Cause will all know pop music and number 1 hits equate to great music right.
Not necessarily, but if a song goes to number 1, by definition, it is NOT a weak pop song, as you called it. Throwing in the "My 11-year old writes more interesting stuff on the keyboard" line, or whatever exactly it was that you said, just sounds silly. Anyone can say that and be full of shit, so it means nothing.
What is your favorite song? Oh, yeah? I wrote something more interesting on the guitar last night, and I don't even play! But prove that I didn't.
See what I mean? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
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Since Tattoo is a reworking of a 70's era song, I wonder if Michael Anthony will get royalties from it. After listening to the prototype, I think the new one is terrible, but if MA get's some writing credit, I hope it's a smash success.
Considering how bad EVH's drunk ass was on the last tour, I suspect I'll be sitting this one out. I'll be happy to change my mind if it turns out he's got his act together, though.
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Since Tattoo is a reworking of a 70's era song, I wonder if Michael Anthony will get royalties from it. After listening to the prototype, I think the new one is terrible, but if MA get's some writing credit, I hope it's a smash success.
Considering how bad EVH's drunk ass was on the last tour, I suspect I'll be sitting this one out. I'll be happy to change my mind if it turns out he's got his act together, though.
Pretty sure he got sober before they worked on this album, and still sober as far as I know. Anyone's guess as to whether that lasts once they're out on tour, which I believe is when it fell apart last time.
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Just for grins, checked the price of a ticket at MSG. 149.00 plus fees?
I'll be watching the youtube vids on this one.
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instead, I am going to see Unchained, the mighty Van Halen tribute band at BB Kings for 10 bucks.
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Oh please. That's your response? LOL
Cause will all know pop music and number 1 hits equate to great music right.
Not necessarily, but if a song goes to number 1, by definition, it is NOT a weak pop song, as you called it. Throwing in the "My 11-year old writes more interesting stuff on the keyboard" line, or whatever exactly it was that you said, just sounds silly. Anyone can say that and be full of shit, so it means nothing.
What is your favorite song? Oh, yeah? I wrote something more interesting on the guitar last night, and I don't even play! But prove that I didn't.
See what I mean? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
I get it, I was disrespecting a weak song. My daughter is actually a VERY talented musician who plays violin, guitar, and keyboards. and all of them well. That's not saying she could write Jump, I'm just saying she comes up with great hooks on her board.
but please don't tell me that if a song goes to number 1 it can't be a weak song. That one I won't give ya. People have pretty bad taste in music.
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Achy Breaky Heart is proof that songs landing at #1 on the charts means absolutely fuck all about how good it actually is.
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^^^ Billy Ray reportedly gave his wife an itchy twitchy twat after bringing home STDs from the tour.
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Oh please. That's your response? LOL
Cause will all know pop music and number 1 hits equate to great music right.
Not necessarily, but if a song goes to number 1, by definition, it is NOT a weak pop song, as you called it. Throwing in the "My 11-year old writes more interesting stuff on the keyboard" line, or whatever exactly it was that you said, just sounds silly. Anyone can say that and be full of shit, so it means nothing.
What is your favorite song? Oh, yeah? I wrote something more interesting on the guitar last night, and I don't even play! But prove that I didn't.
See what I mean? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
I get it, I was disrespecting a weak song. My daughter is actually a VERY talented musician who plays violin, guitar, and keyboards. and all of them well. That's not saying she could write Jump, I'm just saying she comes up with great hooks on her board.
but please don't tell me that if a song goes to number 1 it can't be a weak song. That one I won't give ya. People have pretty bad taste in music.
People have shitty tastes in football teams as well ::)
Also if millions of people really like a song, that kind of points to the fact that it's not shitty. You may not like it, but that's your musical tastes.
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I thought lowest price for tickets at MSG were 63 after charges? I paid 90 for a seat in the last row when they toured with Sammy.
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only ones left at MSG are 149. I wouldn't pay that. I paid 93.00 for great seats last time I saw VH, around 2004. Considered it to be a great show.
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lol, no one wants to pay that price. Bummed though, i was considering going for the cheaper seats but wanted to hear the album first before deciding, i guess the decision has been made for me.
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that seems like alot to see 3/4 of the original lineup, especially now that its the second time out for them
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I just checked from my phone, but the general sale doesnt start till saturday.
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only ones left at MSG are 149. I wouldn't pay that. I paid 93.00 for great seats last time I saw VH, around 2004. Considered it to be a great show.
I paided $110 and I thought it was an ok show. I don't know, it just didn't click with me like other shows I've seen by them.
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Oh please. That's your response? LOL
Cause will all know pop music and number 1 hits equate to great music right.
:rollin
They see e trollin'
:chill
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Oh please. That's your response? LOL
Cause will all know pop music and number 1 hits equate to great music right.
:rollin
They see e trollin'
:chill
You tell me I'm smoking and that's fine. I respond and I'm trollin. Don't want to sidetrack this thread any further. Sorry if I offended you.
Anyhow, the song is growing on me. Sometimes I think I expect too much from Van Halen. They have always pumped out these types of songs and I have always managed to crank them up and enjoy them for waht they are.
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The problem is that it doesn't sound like VH at all to me. The song itself could, as evidenced by the original, but the guitar sound and lead and backing vocals all sound very generic.
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The problem is that it doesn't sound like VH at all to me. The song itself could, as evidenced by the original, but the guitar sound and lead and backing vocals all sound very generic.
It doesn't have the VH flare to it. Mabye the rest of the album will so I'm keeping an open mind on it.
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The problem is that it doesn't sound like VH at all to me. The song itself could, as evidenced by the original, but the guitar sound and lead and backing vocals all sound very generic.
It doesn't have the VH flare to it. Mabye the rest of the album will so I'm keeping an open mind on it.
It still sounds distinctly like VH to me, but it is definitely missing that extra "VH flare", as you put it. That doesn't make it a bad song, but it definitely leaves me expecting a bit more from the rest of the album.
Balance is completely missing that VH flare for me too, much more so than Tattoo, which is why I consider it one of VH's weakest albums. Hopefully this album doesn't have the same problem.
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Yeah. When I think of the DVR era, I think of the "flare" I'm talking about. Like I said I will buy this album. I'm not saying Tattoo is bad but just lacks "Umph" to it.
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The song and video is quite depressing.
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Finally watched the video... very underwhelmed to say the least. Even after reading what everyone said, I still thought maybe this song wasnt that bad, but no. It is that bad.
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Getting back to W&CF for a minute, Loss of Control..what a waste of an awesome EVH lead. That lead that kicks in at the 6-second mark is awesome as hell, but it is the only redeeming thing about the song. The rest of the song is a total letdown.
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Actually, I thought the song wasn't bad. I haven't really been remotely a VH fan for quite some time. But this actually sounds pretty true to Roth-era VH while having just enough of a modern edge to not sounded dated, IMO. Not great, but not bad.
EDIT: And by way of background, I was a fan since VHI. I liked songs here and there from the other Roth albums, but didn't really like any albums as a whole after I. Loved the Hagar albums, but for some reason lost interest by Balance. III really turned me off and made me start to actively dislike the band. Couple that with the fact that when I saw them on the Balance tour, they were incredibly boring, and the stuff that happened after with Sammy and Mike, etc....just not a fan.
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I remember the highlight of the show we saw on the Balance tour was when they brought back and played 5150. That was killer. :metal
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I'm second guessing my memory for a second here. It was the tour where they had the Tibetan monks come out and do the throat chanting for the intro. That was the Balance tour, wasn't it? I forget who the opener was, but that's because they were pretty forgettable. Standard '90s pop-rock band whose name I can't remember. Saw them at the Target Center in Minneapolis in '95. Most boring rock show I've ever seen. Ever. Hands down. Sammy was the only member who was slightly entertaining to watch. Everyone else looked either exhausted, bored, or just unhappy to be there, and the music sounded phoned-in.
Saw Fear Factory, Flotsam & Jetsam, Korn, and Megadeth the day before that show, and that was a MUCH better show.
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I don't remember that intro, but that sounds about right given that The Seventh Seal kicked off Balance and probably kicked off the shows on that tour. I won't hold their lack of enthusiasm on stage against them considering EVH was recovering from a hip injury and Alex was recovering from hurting his neck.
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I'm second guessing my memory for a second here. It was the tour where they had the Tibetan monks come out and do the throat chanting for the intro. That was the Balance tour, wasn't it? I forget who the opener was, but that's because they were pretty forgettable. Standard '90s pop-rock band whose name I can't remember. Saw them at the Target Center in Minneapolis in '95. Most boring rock show I've ever seen. Ever. Hands down. Sammy was the only member who was slightly entertaining to watch. Everyone else looked either exhausted, bored, or just unhappy to be there, and the music sounded phoned-in.
I have seen Van Halen 3 times in my life. The first was 1980 on the Woman And Children First tour. Great show.
The next 2 times were both shows filmed in New Haven for the Live Without A Net Video tape. I thought those shows were electric and I thought the whole 5150 album was amazing. I couldn't stand Sammy Hagar before he joined VH. I was amazed at the chemistry they had on stage on that tour. They were better in those shows then the one I saw with DLR.
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my parents were at the live without a net show too!
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It's alright. The music they did in the past is a lot better, but you can't have your poundcake and eat it, I suppose.
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my parents were at the live without a net show too!
What did they think of the first tour with Sammy? I loved it!
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they are pretty big van hagar fans. i think my dad actually likes sammy better. i lean that way sometimes
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my parents were at the live without a net show too!
What did they think of the first tour with Sammy? I loved it!
Loved how they opened with there's only one way to rock, my favorite part of that DVD.
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Getting back to W&CF for a minute, Loss of Control..what a waste of an awesome EVH lead. That lead that kicks in at the 6-second mark is awesome as hell, but it is the only redeeming thing about the song. The rest of the song is a total letdown.
Ugh, that song sums up my dislike for that album. So frustrating to listen to a cool start to a song, but then the rest comes across as nothing but a vocal piss take.
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my parents were at the live without a net show too!
Lucky folks! That DVD is absolutely awesome. So much energy!
Also, was the Ambulance Tour with Hagar or Cherone?
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen the whole Live Without a Net show, but I remember MTV playing the crap out of Best of Both Worlds from that show back in the day. I think that is why the studio version was such a letdown when I finally heard, as it paled in comparison to the LWaN version I was used to.
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen the whole Live Without a Net show, but I remember MTV playing the crap out of Best of Both Worlds from that show back in the day. I think that is why the studio version was such a letdown when I finally heard, as it paled in comparison to the LWaN version I was used to.
Yeah, both nights were amazing! Its hard to imagine Van Halen more fired up then they were those nights.
Also, it was driving me nuts so I had to know what the hell DLR was singing as the first line of the chorus.
All I kept hearing is...
Squab meat salad
You'll all never hear those lyrics any other way again!
:lol
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Getting back to W&CF for a minute, Loss of Control..what a waste of an awesome EVH lead. That lead that kicks in at the 6-second mark is awesome as hell, but it is the only redeeming thing about the song. The rest of the song is a total letdown.
Ugh, that song sums up my dislike for that album. So frustrating to listen to a cool start to a song, but then the rest comes across as nothing but a vocal piss take.
I disagree. I think it's quite quirky, but I think it works. I mean, it's no worse than Could This Be Magic. Loss Of Control kicks ass!
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Getting back to W&CF for a minute, Loss of Control..what a waste of an awesome EVH lead. That lead that kicks in at the 6-second mark is awesome as hell, but it is the only redeeming thing about the song. The rest of the song is a total letdown.
Ugh, that song sums up my dislike for that album. So frustrating to listen to a cool start to a song, but then the rest comes across as nothing but a vocal piss take.
I disagree. I think it's quite quirky, but I think it works. I mean, it's no worse than Could This Be Magic. Loss Of Control kicks ass!
I won't disagree with that, but personally I don't find anything redeeming about that album. I love VH2, and I love Fair Warning, but WACF is a huge letdown for me.
I just can't stand the silly talking throughout the "verses". It's not musical, it's not lyrical, it's not memorable. It's just noise over a riff.
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Getting back to W&CF for a minute, Loss of Control..what a waste of an awesome EVH lead. That lead that kicks in at the 6-second mark is awesome as hell, but it is the only redeeming thing about the song. The rest of the song is a total letdown.
Ugh, that song sums up my dislike for that album. So frustrating to listen to a cool start to a song, but then the rest comes across as nothing but a vocal piss take.
I disagree. I think it's quite quirky, but I think it works. I mean, it's no worse than Could This Be Magic. Loss Of Control kicks ass!
I really like W&CF, but when they sing Loss of control 3 times in the chorus its like nails on a chalkboard.
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I was also thinking after watching the video, and not to mean but...
Its funny how David Lee Roth went from a young long haired hairy chested sex symbol stud doing acrobatic high kicks, to an awkward old guy with short hair who dances as disturbingly as Elaine Benes in Seinfeld and instead of big leg kicks his twirls a napkin and rolls his arms.
I'm sorry but its just funny to me. :lol
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen the whole Live Without a Net show, but I remember MTV playing the crap out of Best of Both Worlds from that show back in the day. I think that is why the studio version was such a letdown when I finally heard, as it paled in comparison to the LWaN version I was used to.
:eek What? Dude, go find it immediately before we revoke your fogey card! I'm not even a VH fan, and I think that's essential viewing.
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Just got tickets for Philly.
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Okay, I take it back. I think I saw the bulk of it back in the day when my brother owned it on VHS and would watch it constantly back when he first started playing the guitar and was a diehard EVH fan at the time. I don't think I ever sat down and watched it, but I caught probably all of it here and there. Also...
Getting back to W&CF for a minute, Loss of Control..what a waste of an awesome EVH lead. That lead that kicks in at the 6-second mark is awesome as hell, but it is the only redeeming thing about the song. The rest of the song is a total letdown.
Ugh, that song sums up my dislike for that album. So frustrating to listen to a cool start to a song, but then the rest comes across as nothing but a vocal piss take.
I disagree. I think it's quite quirky, but I think it works. I mean, it's no worse than Could This Be Magic. Loss Of Control kicks ass!
Blasphemy. Could This Be Magic? is great! That chorus is so much fun to sing along to. "Sail away with someone's daughter!" :lol :lol
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen the whole Live Without a Net show, but I remember MTV playing the crap out of Best of Both Worlds from that show back in the day. I think that is why the studio version was such a letdown when I finally heard, as it paled in comparison to the LWaN version I was used to.
:eek What? Dude, go find it immediately before we revoke your fogey card! I'm not even a VH fan, and I think that's essential viewing.
I don't know about that, though Van Hagar may have won the war, DLR easily won Round 1. The Eat 'em And Smile tour crushed the 5150 tour. I actually felt bad for Van Halen at the time.
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I don't know about that, though Van Hagar may have won the war, DLR easily won Round 1. The Eat 'em And Smile tour crushed the 5150 tour. I actually felt bad for Van Halen at the time.
I didn't and still don't. The 5150 tour was huge, and VH did very well by it.
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen the whole Live Without a Net show, but I remember MTV playing the crap out of Best of Both Worlds from that show back in the day. I think that is why the studio version was such a letdown when I finally heard, as it paled in comparison to the LWaN version I was used to.
:eek What? Dude, go find it immediately before we revoke your fogey card! I'm not even a VH fan, and I think that's essential viewing.
I don't know about that, though Van Hagar may have won the war, DLR easily won Round 1. The Eat 'em And Smile tour crushed the 5150 tour. I actually felt bad for Van Halen at the time.
And by the early 90s, DLR was struggling to fill arenas, while Van Hagar kicked ass live for years with the F.U.C.K. and then Right Here, Right Now tours. ;)
But getting back to the Eat 'Em and Smile/5150 time period, Van Hagar didn't do themselves any favors by not doing any real videos for that album. Meanwhile, EE&S was Roth's second studio album in as many years, and he was getting tons of MTV airplay with videos like Just a Gigolo, California Girls, Yankee Rose and Goin' Crazy. That did wonders for Roth's early solo years. Roth, to his credit, had a knack for making hilariously fun videos back then.
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I don't think I've ever heard or seen the whole Live Without a Net show, but I remember MTV playing the crap out of Best of Both Worlds from that show back in the day. I think that is why the studio version was such a letdown when I finally heard, as it paled in comparison to the LWaN version I was used to.
:eek What? Dude, go find it immediately before we revoke your fogey card! I'm not even a VH fan, and I think that's essential viewing.
I don't know about that, though Van Hagar may have won the war, DLR easily won Round 1. The Eat 'em And Smile tour crushed the 5150 tour. I actually felt bad for Van Halen at the time.
Really? Is that an opinion or a fact? I thought 5150 was huge for the band and bigger then solo Dave. Maybe its because I didn't embrace solo Dave and I loved the 5150 album. It was certainly some of Eddies best and most inspired work, imo.
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Listened to the new single (had no idea they had one until I saw a youtube ad). Um, I don't like it. Old Van Halen isn't stuff I listen to normally, but its fun and I can enjoy it. This didn't have any real bounciness or energy to it.
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Hmmm, looking it up, 5150 went to number 2 on the billboard album charts, while Eat 'Em and Smile peaked at number 4, and the biggest hit from 5150, Why Can't This Be Love?, went to number 3 on the top 40 charts, while Yankee Rose was Roth's biggest hit from his album, peaking at number 16.
Regardless, I think Roth and Van Hagar both did pretty damn well in the mid to late 80s. I remember the day after Roth was here on the Skyscraper tour in '88, I was in high school, and I saw a ton of kids wearing concert t-shirts from that show the next day at school.
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@ Tick...an opinion.
@Kev, first off, I love Could This Be Magic!
Like I said, VH clearly won the war after the split. I was very disappointed in 5150. And those tours you spoke of were incredible shows. I hardly ever missed an opportunity to see VH.
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Could this be magic, or could this be love?
Could this turn tragic? You know that magic often does!
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Speaking of high school and VH, I knew a guy back then (cannot remember his name..it has been that long :lol) who used to always have his walkman on in between classes - yes, a walkman :biggrin: :biggrin: - and he listened to Alex Van Halen's drum solo from one of those tours non-stop, and always talked it up as the best rock drummer in the world. And I knew a few others who often called him that as well, but once I got into Rush and other bands in the early 90s, I was like, "What were those guys thinking?" I mean, he was a very good drummer in his day, but one of the best ever? I don't see it.
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I don't disagree with you, Kev. But in the guy's defense, most fans of VH back then would most likely have exposure to a somewhat limited pool of drumming (guilty as charged), and I can understand the argument coming from that limited perspective that Alex was one of the best.
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Best? No, but I'd definitely call him one of my favourite rock drummers. He does a lot of great ride cymbal work, and I love his swung double kicker, and he always played HARD. VH isn't the kind of band for flashy drumming. He played what the song called for and wasn't always just playing a straight up rock beat.
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Best? No, but I'd definitely call him one of my favourite rock drummers. He does a lot of great ride cymbal work, and I love his swung double kicker, and he always played HARD. VH isn't the kind of band for flashy drumming. He played what the song called for and wasn't always just playing a straight up rock beat.
I also think Alex is great. Drumming is more than just fancy fills, its also the feel a drummer has. Alex has an undeniable grove that makes him a great drummer.
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Alex was great!
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Those bass drums were (are) huge! His OU812 kit was a monster as well.
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As far as EE&S goes, Roth had one of the single most ass-kicking backing bands possible on that album.
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He really did. Vai, Sheehan, and Bisonette. Really good
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It truly doesn't get a hell of a lot better than that.
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And every single one of those guys except for Roth is associated in some way with Dream Theater
Vai- Jammed on Prog Nation 09 in LA, guest on Repentance, and Mangini drummed for him for a bit
Sheehan- Explorer's Club, MP's worked with him, and was on the Working Man tribute CD that had a few DT members on it
Bissonette- Played in a group called Jughead that Sherinian was involved with
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Portnoy and Petrucci also played with all of those guys on G3 tours.
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Listened to the new single (had no idea they had one until I saw a youtube ad). Um, I don't like it. Old Van Halen isn't stuff I listen to normally, but its fun and I can enjoy it. This didn't have any real bounciness or energy to it.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. The song was dreadful, really.
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As far as EE&S goes, Roth had one of the single most ass-kicking backing bands possible on that album.
No doubt about that. I kind of wish that band had kept together. Although the musicians may have eventually gotten bored playing the kind of stuff that DLR would want to play.
Well, they would always have side projects to work that out, I suppose. Sheehan, for one, is ALWAYS playing with SOMEONE.
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As far as EE&S goes, Roth had one of the single most ass-kicking backing bands possible on that album.
Which is why the live show killed the 5150 tour. It was more like watching Van Halen, than actually watching Van Halen.
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cant get on youtube here, i cant wait to hear it. is it a musical equivalent to indiana jones 4?
Best way to put it. What a boring song.
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I don't disagree with you, Kev. But in the guy's defense, most fans of VH back then would most likely have exposure to a somewhat limited pool of drumming (guilty as charged), and I can understand the argument coming from that limited perspective that Alex was one of the best.
Agreed. Plus, as someone who grew up watching MTV in the 80s, the beginning of Hot for Teacher was the most badass drumming I heard growing up. :metal
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Alex was the most underrated drummer from the early 80's.
On a side note, I'm glad to see this thread grow. To me, Van Halen seems to have gotten lost over time.
I'm going to spend some time with the Van Hagar albums this week. I never listen to them, and I would love to make a Top 10 list, but the material is not fresh enough for me to do it. I bought the CDs, went to the shows, but the Sammy era never really made a musical impact on me. Hell of a concert though!!
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Concerning the discussion of Alex Van Halen as a drummer:
Sure, I can name DOZENS of drummers that are better technically. But if the God of Percussion appeared in front of me, pointed a finger at me, and said "You now have the drumming ability of Alex Van Halen in his prime", I'd say "Sweet, brb gonna go play Hot For Teacher now." :biggrin:
Alex Van Halen in his prime was a great drummer. Nothing wrong with his drumming at all.
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Well, I've gotten through 5150, OU812, and the first half of Balance. Been really enjoying them. Back in the day, as disappointed as I was with 5150, I really liked OU812. It's probably been 15 years easy since I listened to these CDs!
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Acoustic performance of You Really Got Me (starting with a DLR intro):
https://www.youtube.com/user/vanhalenVEVO?feature=watch#p/a/u/0/weFbn761j2I (https://www.youtube.com/user/vanhalenVEVO?feature=watch#p/a/u/0/weFbn761j2I)
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Agreed on the Alex thing. Great for his time, but the greatest? Nah. That "awesome" drum lick at the beginning of Hot For Teacher is obviously overdubbed, which caused lots of people to conclude that he was playing really fast - not that he doesn't throughout the rest of the song. But my skepticism of his "greatest drummer" moniker was often challenged by citing the intro to that song, and it's a bit of a scam. Meanwhile, Peart hasn't overdubbed anything, and Rush had just released albums like Hemispheres. Mind you, I was a HUGE Van Halen fan, but on a musical level, Eddie is really the only one who deserved a lot of attention for his technical abilities. The whole band could groove, and there's great songs going on, but people who tend to call Alex the "greatest drummer" tend to not really get what's happening behind the set or on the studio with the drums.
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Well, I don't know who is calling him the greatest. I'm sure not. I just think he was very good. That band rocked and was very tight. I think Alex was an excellent rock drummer, who I feel tends to get overlooked. That's all.
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Who is getting the deluxe version of the new disc? I will probably by both versions just because I've been looking forward to new VH for so long.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY7ZqN8Ksdg&feature=share
90 second clip to another song "Blood and Fire".
Not sure what I think of it. Yet again not really a classic VH song, although still identifiable as VH. Better than Tattoo, but it's another so-so track, and I'm worried that the two songs they've released haven't wowed me.
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"Now look at all of the people here tonight".
Taking classic stage banter and incorporating it into lyrics? :tdown: However, I will say, this sounds a lot better once you get past the intro and better than Tattoo.
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I'm still hoping that there are some all out rockers, and they've chosen the more radio friendly tracks at this stage. Give me one or two great tracks, and it's not a loss. That shouldn't be too much to ask, right?
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Agreed on the Alex thing. Great for his time, but the greatest? Nah. That "awesome" drum lick at the beginning of Hot For Teacher is obviously overdubbed, which caused lots of people to conclude that he was playing really fast - not that he doesn't throughout the rest of the song. But my skepticism of his "greatest drummer" moniker was often challenged by citing the intro to that song, and it's a bit of a scam. Meanwhile, Peart hasn't overdubbed anything, and Rush had just released albums like Hemispheres. Mind you, I was a HUGE Van Halen fan, but on a musical level, Eddie is really the only one who deserved a lot of attention for his technical abilities. The whole band could groove, and there's great songs going on, but people who tend to call Alex the "greatest drummer" tend to not really get what's happening behind the set or on the studio with the drums.
Same thing with his drum solos. Major post-processing to make them sound a helluva lot more impressive than they actually were. The guy took around the biggest drum kit you ever saw, but played very little of it, and used effects to make it sound like he was doing much more than he actually was. I still think the guy had good style and I liked his drumming in their songs, but he really cheated to get the reputation he did.
And back in the day, plenty of people thought he was the greatest ever. Nowadays people know better. I would say he was hugely overrated back in the day, and now somewhat underrated as sort of a rebound effect.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyuXCfKzfko&feature=share
Another preview clip up for "Stay Frosty". Definitely my least favourite clip so far. Definitely trying to channel Ice Cream Man here. It actually sounds ok at the end of the snippet when it kicks in heavy with the classic VH swung double kicker beat, but the melodies up until that point are just weak.
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I actually like that one.... Man, I must be really easy to please
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I've liked everything released so far. Way better than the Hagar stuff.
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Man, I don't know what the hell they were going for with Stay Frosty. Vocal melodies are horrible, the guitar under them doesn't seem to even be from the same song...if they're going for a modern version of Ice Cream Man they failed miserably.
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From what I have heard so far from this album, it sounds like a crap fest. Stay Frosty is weak...very weak. No offense to those who like what they are hearing but I doubt I will be buying this unless my feelings change big time.
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Boo to this song as well. That uh uh uh uh part sounds terrible.
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China Town preview-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZCwTsoQMs&feature=share
The most up tempo rocker so far. Melodies seem a bit better on this one. Might grow on me once I hear the full track a couple of times.
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Definitely the best sample so far. Really looking forward to the full song.
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now that sounds much much better
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I liked the first few OK....THIS IS *MUCH* BETTER!!
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Now that's the VH "UMP" I'm talkin' about!!
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Acoustic performance of You Really Got Me (starting with a DLR intro):
https://www.youtube.com/user/vanhalenVEVO?feature=watch#p/a/u/0/weFbn761j2I (https://www.youtube.com/user/vanhalenVEVO?feature=watch#p/a/u/0/weFbn761j2I)
dave is such a character - I love it!
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Chinatown reminded me of Hang Em' High
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That's more like it. Certainly better than the Stay Frost clip, lol.
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That's more like it. Certainly better than the Stay Frost clip, lol.
I listened to the Stay Frosty snippet that was used in CSI, which is much longer, and the solo section sounds seriously kickass though.
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Preview for "The Trouble With Never"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vstzQ6L5e-I&feature=share
I'd say this is one of the better ones too. Kicks off with a very cool groove. Already really growing on me.
edit: And I hate to say it, but as much as I miss Michael Anthony, I gotta say that baby Halen is actually doing a fantastic job on bass here.
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I don't think chops are the issue with Anthony and Wolfgang. I mean, Anthony is an average rock bass player at best. It is more an issue of the VH look on stage and the loss of his voice to the harmonies, which have always been an integral part of the VH sound.
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Oh, I wasn't questioning that aspect. Wolfy really doesn't look the part at all. Anthony is a true party rocker, and his harmonies are infamous.
All I'm saying is that the kid has really impressed me with his playing ability. That's all. :tup
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I figured, but I still wanted to throw that out there. :biggrin:
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No problem. I just figured it was assumed that the kid would never compete with Michael Anthony for stage presence or vocal talents. :hat Just wanted to give him the little bit of credit he was due.
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I like the way this disc is shaping up; looking forward to Feb 7th.
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Preview for "She's the Woman"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8oeCIPFGHw&feature=share
Sounding pretty good. The harmonies don't have that sweet-ass tone they'd have with Michael Anthony, and DLR is struggling a bit more with these vocals, since it's essentially unchanged from the old demo (iirc), but aside from that, this sounds like another pretty good one. :tup
It seems the previews are getting better as they go.
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Big River clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aFu5oZtGLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aFu5oZtGLI)
Bullethead clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZzoBS1eEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZzoBS1eEw)
You And Your Blues (My personal favorite)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=478_aKcz6FU#! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=478_aKcz6FU#!)
As Is clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1JKk0EfR0RM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1JKk0EfR0RM)
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All the samples are great and even "Tattoo" has grown on me.
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I think I'll abstain from hearing the rest of the samples. The samples have overall got me pretty excited for the full album, and I want to listen to it fresh. And we've only got a week to go now. :metal
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I feel much better about this album now that I heard the other samples.
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Fuck yeah! I´ve heard enough for instant buy!!! :metal
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Well it turns out the album officially comes out tomorrow here (even saw on ad on TV, which is really rare here), but someone mentioned on FB that they managed to get it today, so guess what I'm currently listening to? :metal
Just started listening to it, so no opinion yet, but the mix is absolutely perfect. Totally rocks. Mastering is a bit loud, but not a deal breaker.
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5 more days for us in the States. Can't wait.
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I was able to get this yeaterday from a friend at VH's label. Agree with Blob. Mix is superb. I am a long time VH guy from way back in 1978. There are some "meh" songs on the album but overall, VH fans wont be dissapointed. I dont have time to do a review yet, but overall the album is very good. I was worried and will be honest went in with a worried/negative attitude. I will admit it definetly exceeded my expectations by FAR.
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The backups definitely lack a little bit of the diversity of tone they had with Michael Anthony (sounds like mostly just DLR to me), but aside from that, sounding great so far.
EVH really rips it up on the solos, and there's a lot of the extra fills and style trademarks you expect from Eddie. He's definitely in top form on the album. DLR sounds a little strained at times, but overall he's sounding really good. I think some of the intros are a bit drawn out, but they're much better once they get into it.
Still familiarizing myself with the songs, but it's already growing on me. I don't see it becoming one of my top VH albums at this stage, but it's already far from their worst either. I'd already take it over Balance, VH3, Diver Down and WACF. :tup
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Totally agree Blob. Basically took the words out of my mouth. DLR yes sometimes feels a bit strained and they definetly miss Anthony's background vocals, but EVH's kid is ok on bass. EVH is at the top of his game. Tattoo is actually IMHO the weakest song on the album. For the most part the album is just old school VH (which is when most of the songs were originally written back in the DLR days). Its what you would have expected the album after 1984 to sound like if DLR had stayed.
I am happy with it and I think it will continue to grow on me. I am on like my 4th listen and still picking up different things. Cant wait to see them here in NYC soon.
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Some of the riff grooves are just incredible. The Trouble With Never has an amazing riff to kick it off. And Honeybabysweetiedoll has a really cool heavy riff to it too. And the solo for As Is is Eruption stuck in a song. All pure VH like only VH can do.
On my 2nd/3rd listen through (I skimmed a bit on my second listen) and I'm already loving it a lot more than the first listen. I think this is all I'll be listening to tomorrow. :metal
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Despite being an ass, EVH REALLY is killer (in a EVH style) on this album.
Also the riff in honeybabysweetiedoll reminds a bit of a DT riff, i just cant think which song (I am doing a brain fart at the moment).
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I heard a full version of Stay Frosty and I love it. The album is really getting good reviews too
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I've heard the whole thing and I likes it. Lots of classic EVH guitar throughout. I've only listened through a couple times but the songs are already growing on me pretty good. I know some will refuse to like it or give it a chance but it's good stuff and I didn't have my hopes up at all. :tup
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Re: She's the Woman - I heard the old demo version and I'm sure it's been mentioned that part of it went on to become "Mean Street", i.e. the part just before the solo. Pretty cool hearing that.
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From what I've heard, the only thing I don't like about it is DLR's vocals. They don't fit the liveliness of the album, but I'll still pick it up.
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Edward Van Halen is still unbelievable.
As for now, As Is is by far my favourite.
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I've heard lots of good things about this disc; can't wait for the 7th.
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Here's Dave getting pretty deep about Tattoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttIQnxQ9xvM&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttIQnxQ9xvM&feature=related)
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On my first listen, and it's pretty damn solid so far.
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Gave the songs I can listen to another listen, liking it A LOT more.
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From what I've heard, the only thing I don't like about it is DLR's vocals. They don't fit the liveliness of the album, but I'll still pick it up.
I'd agree that if anything, DLR's vocals are the weakest link. I still think he's sounding great for his age, but his phrasing and melodies are not quite as strong as the rest of the album. Still loving it so far though.
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Just listened to the album. Really exceeded my expectations. I'm happy to say that Tattoo is by far the worst song on the album. Also, while DLR isn't the most energetic of vocalists, the music on the album more than makes up for that fact. 9/10 on my first listen.
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I'm doing to defend Dave. I think he is SPOT ON....he sounds every bit as awesome as he did on MWM and CGTSNM. Heck, when I heard Tattoo, I thought he was the only one in the band that still had it going on. I'm glad Eddie brought it for the rest of the album...but I think Dave is just classic Dave here.
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First listen now to the album.
Blood And Fire rocks my socks :metal
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First listen now to the album.
Blood And Fire rocks my socks :metal
Just listening to that one right now. Definitely one of the standouts for me. :metal
I also love The Trouble With Never. That main riff has been stuck in my head all day. Such a totally rockin' riff.
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I didn't have a problem with DLR on this at all. This is his first album with the band in almost 30 years, so I was expecting him to be pretty subpar, but I actually found him quite enjoyable.
Whole album's pretty good, and I'm sure it will grow with repeated listens.
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Been listening to nothing but this album all day, and I now love it. Still several songs that have yet to really grow on me, but several others that I just can't stop listening to.
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I've only heard Stay Frosty thus far. I'll wait for my copy to arrive on Tuesday. If Stay Frosty is any indication, I'll love it
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Just checked out Stay Frosty on youtube. The music sounds like vintage VH, but that recurring "Stay frosty" line is pretty bad. Pass.
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I've only heard Stay Frosty thus far. I'll wait for my copy to arrive on Tuesday. If Stay Frosty is any indication, I'll love it
If you love that, I think you'll love the rest too. :tup
My favourite songs so far are - She's the Woman, Blood and Fire, Honeybabysweetiedoll, The Trouble With Never, Stay Frosty and Big River. So much classic VH here, but also a lot of heavier modern sounding stuff that works perfectly.
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Wow just listened to Van Halen's new album samples , sorry guys but it sounds like a lame cover band with no chops , Eddie has lost that magic hook he had in almost every thing. And Roth talks threw way to many lyrics
Every new song but maybe one sounds like a bad attempt to rehash there old stuff , Its to bad i was looking forward to hearing Eddie play again but not so much anymore Yikes!!!! :facepalm:
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The samples do not do the album justice.
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The samples do not do the album justice.
Definitely. VH's PR dropped the ball there. The first single was one of the most plain songs on the album (even though I've grown to quite like it), and the first few samples they released weren't the stronger stuff imo, and the samples were all intros (many of which go on a while) rather than showing the meat of the songs, such as any of the amazing guitar work.
I can't blame anyone for not being excited based on the samples, but any VH fan who doesn't pick this up is missing out.
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The samples do not do the album justice.
Definitely. VH's PR dropped the ball there. The first single was one of the most plain songs on the album (even though I've grown to quite like it), and the first few samples they released weren't the stronger stuff imo, and the samples were all intros (many of which go on a while) rather than showing the meat of the songs, such as any of the amazing guitar work.
I can't blame anyone for not being excited based on the samples, but any VH fan who doesn't pick this up is missing out.
That being said, the samples have assured that I'm buying this :D I really like what I hear.
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I heard the 6 full songs online (its an official stream), and overall, I'm on the fence. Nothing is jumping out at me except a few moments by EVH. I find DLRs vocal to be a weak link and the drumming way too toned down. I think it comes out today, so I'll pick up the mp3s and give it a solid listen.
You know it just hit me
A Different Kind of Truth
A Dramatic Turn of Events
*nuggetz* :eek
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What songs are in the official stream? Just wondering if they chose better songs or not.
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Blood and Fire
As Is
The Trouble with Never
Stay Frosty
Beats Workin'
and obviously Tattoo.
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Well that's a decent mix of the songs to judge the album overall. The only one of those I actually dislike is Beats Workin'. The Trouble With Never, Stay Frosty and Blood and Fire are among my favourites on the album.
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Blood And Fire still kicks my ass. I also enjoy Bullethead, She's The Woman, Tattoo, and China Town.
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Got it in the mail today. I really enjoy it. Compared to other big name rock reunions, this one doesn't falter. Eddie is still on fire and Alex as well. Wolfie does better than I expected him to. As Is is the only one that doesn't click with me
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So far I have listened to ADKOT 3 times today and I have to say that I am pretty blown away. I went into this not really expecting much, but have been pleasantly surprised. This album kicks ass. :metal
So far the songs I love the most are:
1. Chinatown
2. She's the woman
3. Stay Frosty
4. Beats Workin
5. Big river
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I love the dog bark at 3:18 on Honeybabiesweetiedoll. It marks the beginning of what is probably in the Top 3 for heaviest moments on the album
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I love the dog bark at 3:18 on Honeybabiesweetiedoll.
Yeah I caught that too perfect.
Eddie is still on fire and Alex as well. Wolfie does better than I expected him to.
I agree. The bass playing is very good on this album.
This album is way better than I expected. It's very heavy, fun, and exciting. I'm not sure WTF DLR is singing about half the time, but that's the beauty of DLR! Really happy with this.
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This album is way better than I expected. It's very heavy, fun, and exciting. I'm not sure WTF DLR is singing about half the time, but that's the beauty of DLR! Really happy with this.
This is what I was thinking all day long, but then I smiled and remembered that's our Dave.
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I love the dog bark at 3:18 on Honeybabiesweetiedoll. It marks the beginning of what is probably in the Top 3 for heaviest moments on the album
:tup
Another one of my favourite heavy moments is 3:16 of Stay Frosty. It's heavy and detuned, but it's not metal. It's just heavy bluesy hard rock with that double kicker swung groove. I love the instrumental section of that song. So much EVH tastiness.
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When I saw the title Honeybabysweetiedoll I was like :facepalm:
But it turns out to be one of the most bad ass pieces of music this band has ever done!
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currently half way through my first listen, love it. Nice blend of heavy+chunky with bright+cheesy. Love it, so energetic and still got that fresh-from-the-jam vibe going on with all the songs.
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I guess I should probably get off my ass and go get this.
I should probably get ADTOE while I'm at it.
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I guess I should probably get off my ass and go get this.
Yes, yes you should!
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When I saw the title Honeybabysweetiedoll I was like :facepalm:
But it turns out to be one of the most bad ass pieces of music this band has ever done!
LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I was like that song just can't be good with that title... but then.... :hat
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Just started giving some of the songs a listen, and I am pleasantly suprised and impressed, especially after listening to Tattoo first, which seems to be my least favorite so far. Honeybabyblahblah is a fucking beast, digging Ice Cream Man pt2 also.
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Honeybabyblahblah
:lol
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Ice Cream Man pt2
I guess this is the new official name, because I called it the exact same thing today. :lol
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Ice Cream Man pt2
I guess this is the new official name, because I called it the exact same thing today. :lol
Yeah, but Stay Frosty stands just fine all by itself. I was a little worried about it actually being an Ice Cream Man Pt2, but it kicks some serious ass! I also feel that it should have closed the album. The last two songs never really regain the energy of Stay Frosty, so it feels like the album just peters out.
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Ice Cream Man pt2
I guess this is the new official name, because I called it the exact same thing today. :lol
Yeah, but Stay Frosty stands just fine all by itself. I was a little worried about it actually being an Ice Cream Man Pt2, but it kicks some serious ass! I also feel that it should have closed the album. The last two songs never really regain the energy of Stay Frosty, so it feels like the album just peters out.
I agree that it does, I just love how in this song, along with others I have heard, that they return to the playfullness that I love in VH. Just good, fun, kickass rock and roll.
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Awesome album. There is no way any old school VH fan can complain or not enjoy this disc.
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Crap, Youtube has them blocked now.
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Crap, Youtube has them blocked now.
You can listen to it on Spotify though :D
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Crap, Youtube has them blocked now.
You can listen to it on Spotify though :D
OK.
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Oh i'm absolutely loving this album !!!! So good to hear Diamond Dave back where he belongs.
Even now there is so much for any guitarist to learn from the legend that is Eddie. Especially in this day and age where precision and speed are put ahead of any sense of musicality. Here he demonstrates with tone, power & passion what it really takes to be a rock god.
The whole band sounds fantastic - still feel for Mr Anthony but I have to say, old Wolfgang has done his pops proud.
This is rock n'roll at its finest.
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I can't stop listening to this one; all other discs are on the backburner for now. I know its only Feb, but I can't see any other album topping this for me personally for album of the year.
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I don't think I've really listened to any other album since I got this either. I pretty much had "She's the Woman" on repeat yesterday. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me61Qlgqj5o&feature=youtu.be
EVH solo from last nights family and friends concert
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Just got it and if fucking ROCKS!!
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I had my first full listen last night and I found the album very enjoyable. I use that word because I only had one full listen and I enjoyed it, but I dont have much more to say at this point. Sounds very much like old school VH, which I expected. But this album is waaayyy better than the single and samples we got earlier.
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When I first heard Tattoo, I was pretty underwhelmed. However, after listening to it dozens and dozens of times, it has really grown on me. The song is just straight up catchy and gets stuck in your head. In retrospect, this makes sense to release it as the first single because it is so catchy and pretty radio friendly. It's still the weakest track on the disc; which goes to show you how good this album is.
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When I first heard Tattoo, I was pretty underwhelmed. However, after listening to it dozens and dozens of times, it has really grown on me. The song is just straight up catchy and gets stuck in your head. In retrospect, this makes sense to release it as the first single because it is so catchy and pretty radio friendly. It's still the weakest track on the disc; which goes to show you how good this album is.
You just read my mind. When I first heard Tattoo, I was like "oh well" and then stopped anticipating the album's release. Then just for the hell of it, bought the album and was blown away. Tattoo has since really grown on me and now its constantly stuck in my head.
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Very cool interview between the boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb4jIyoOGtk&feature=youtu.be
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Ice Cream Man pt2
I guess this is the new official name, because I called it the exact same thing today. :lol
*listens to Stay Frosty *
* listens to Ice Cream Man *
:o Cannot be unheard !
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https://www.vhnd.com/2012/02/15/van-halen-debuts-at-no-2/
A Different Kind of Truth debuts at #2. Apparently it's also VH's 14th consecutive top 10 album. So every album but their debut. Crazy. :metal
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I just can't get enough of this album and I can just tell that it will go down as one of my favorites ever. When I look at some of my recent favorite comeback albums, Heaven and Hell, Accept, and Ratt come to mind; however, this one is topping them all.
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I just can't get enough of this album and I can just tell that it will go down as one of my favorites ever. When I look at some of my recent favorite comeback albums, Heaven and Hell, Accept, and Ratt come to mind; however, this one is topping them all.
Well the Sabbath and Accept were great. The last few Saxon albums have also been great with their last, Call To Arms being excellent. Don't forget the Maiden stuff too. Bands keep going strong.
EDIT: I see you mentioned reunion.. Oh well. Lots of good music by old bands. New UFO in 2 weeks!!
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"She's the Wombat.... She's the Wombat."
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https://www.vhnd.com/2012/02/15/van-halen-debuts-at-no-2/
A Different Kind of Truth debuts at #2. Apparently it's also VH's 14th consecutive top 10 album. So every album but their debut. Crazy. :metal
thats especially surprising when you compare the debut to VHIII
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https://www.vhnd.com/2012/02/15/van-halen-debuts-at-no-2/
A Different Kind of Truth debuts at #2. Apparently it's also VH's 14th consecutive top 10 album. So every album but their debut. Crazy. :metal
thats especially surprising when you compare the debut to VHIII
Not quite as surprising if you compare the album sales for the two albums though. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXeYL0zVDzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXeYL0zVDzs)
Pretty cool interview with Ed, Al, and Dave. Al seems pretty smart. And they hate Ted Templeman
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(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/mixed%20bag/van-halen-us-tour12-600x4001-2.jpg)
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For those that didn't see it in the GD chat thread, I saw them on 3-5. AMAZING show. The setlist:
1. Unchained
2. Runnin' With the Devil
3. She's The Woman
4. The Full Bug
5. Tattoo
6. Everybody Wants Some!!
7. Somebody Get Me A Doctor
8. China Town
9. Hear About It Later
10. Oh, Pretty Woman
11. Drum Solo
12. You Really Got Me
13. The Trouble with Never
14. Dance The Night Away
15. I'll Wait
16. Hot For Teacher
17. Women In Love
18. Girl Gone Bad
19. Beautiful Girls
20. Ice Cream Man
21. Panama
22. Guitar Solo
23. Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
24. Jump
Also, in other VH news, for some reason, I NEVER noticed until last week, the little DLR part at the VERY END of Everybody Wants Some. I chuckle every time I hear it now.
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That looks like a solid setlist for no haggar songs.
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Indeed. As much as I would've been okay with hearing Mean Street (which they've been switching in and out at the #9 spot), I was happy to hear Hear About It Later.
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The more songs from Fair Warning played, the better. :metal
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My sentiments exactly. If they'd have done "Sinner's Swing", I'd have fucking lost it.
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Also, while I love Sammy and I liked Mikey on bass, it is very nice to not see a bass solo and a sammy solo acoustic song in the set, it means you get two more VH songs.
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My sentiments exactly. If they'd have done "Sinner's Swing", I'd have fucking lost it.
You and me both. Love the song, love the album. But they're playing Unchained, so that's my favourite covered at least.
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The new album is amazing. Possibly my favorite from them. Who knew a bunch of old guys could rock like that (And wolfie)? :P
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I've decided this is my 2nd favourite DLR era VH album as a whole. Other albums have more of my top VH songs, but for a consistent album to listen to from start to finish without skipping anything, I'd put this 2nd behind VH1 at the moment.
If I'm including Hagar era, it has some tough competition from 5150, although at the moment the new album may edge it out for consistency, although 5150 probably has more of my favourites.
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It was only a matter of time.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-postpone-summer-tour-dates-20120517
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It was only a matter of time.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-postpone-summer-tour-dates-20120517
Not shocking at all.
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I just saw them this past weekend. Van Halen was great; however, Kool and the Gang was probably the most misplaced opening act Ive ever seen. Good thing I saw them before this latest news.
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Nope it's not shocking considering they also postponed a number of shows on their last tour.
What is strange is that they have been constantly adding dates over the last few weeks. If they thought there were any issues whether its band related, health related etc. why continue to add dates that often and that recently?
If there are band issues; which every time some stutter comes up its brought to question (clearly with reason) I'd prefer they just cancel it and call it a day... thankfully I was able to see them one last time a month ago.
I'd actually be very interested in hearing some solo Ed stuff or even a different band with he and his son. Regardless I just hope everyone's health is ok.
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I think the likely scenario is that EVH is trying to pack as many dates in as possible so his son makes as much money as possible. I remember reading that EVH's main motivation for doing this album and tour was so Wolfgang could make a buttload of money and be set financially for a long time, so he probably wants to play as many shows as possible before he or Roth kills the other. :lol
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Well that sucks. My uncle was looking foward to this.
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Nm
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If they don't break up or anything, then the post-ponement actually works out better for me. I definitely wanted to see them, but needed more time to save up the money.
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As much as i like them, they are a joke. I doubt this has to do with health.
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Saw this in response to the Rolling Stone article...
Just got an updated on VHND from Ed's right hand man.
"The band is fine. Everyone is healthy and getting along fine. The tour is being rerouted to accomodate European dates. There will be an official announcement very soon. Stay tuned!"
Call me a cynic, but I don't buy that. That's a stupid move in my opinion. You screw over people who already have plans to see you on specific dates to accommodate other fans. That's just dumb ass.
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I think the likely scenario is that EVH is trying to pack as many dates in as possible so his son makes as much money as possible. I remember reading that EVH's main motivation for doing this album and tour was so Wolfgang could make a buttload of money and be set financially for a long time, so he probably wants to play as many shows as possible before he or Roth kills the other. :lol
I don't know where you read any of that, but that's not at all what I've read anywhere. Wolfgang was the motivating factor for the new album, but had nothing at all to do with money. And the new album basically speaks for itself, being one of their strongest albums.
This postponement could be anything at this stage. The rumours about not getting along are certainly possible given their egos, although it's also the easy explanation that requires no thought or backing. Hopefully it's not the case.
Saw this in response to the Rolling Stone article...
Just got an updated on VHND from Ed's right hand man.
"The band is fine. Everyone is healthy and getting along fine. The tour is being rerouted to accomodate European dates. There will be an official announcement very soon. Stay tuned!"
Call me a cynic, but I don't buy that. That's a stupid move in my opinion. You screw over people who already have plans to see you on specific dates to accommodate other fans. That's just dumb ass.
While that sounds like some pretty awful tour planning to me, I don't know what's to be cynical about. They're either announcing European dates or they're not. You can't bluff an entire tour leg in a day to cover up a band not getting along. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.
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I think the likely scenario is that EVH is trying to pack as many dates in as possible so his son makes as much money as possible. I remember reading that EVH's main motivation for doing this album and tour was so Wolfgang could make a buttload of money and be set financially for a long time, so he probably wants to play as many shows as possible before he or Roth kills the other. :lol
I don't know where you read any of that, but that's not at all what I've read anywhere. Wolfgang was the motivating factor for the new album, but had nothing at all to do with money. And the new album basically speaks for itself, being one of their strongest albums.
This postponement could be anything at this stage. The rumours about not getting along are certainly possible given their egos, although it's also the easy explanation that requires no thought or backing. Hopefully it's not the case.
Saw this in response to the Rolling Stone article...
Just got an updated on VHND from Ed's right hand man.
"The band is fine. Everyone is healthy and getting along fine. The tour is being rerouted to accomodate European dates. There will be an official announcement very soon. Stay tuned!"
Call me a cynic, but I don't buy that. That's a stupid move in my opinion. You screw over people who already have plans to see you on specific dates to accommodate other fans. That's just dumb ass.
While that sounds like some pretty awful tour planning to me, I don't know what's to be cynical about. They're either announcing European dates or they're not. You can't bluff an entire tour leg in a day to cover up a band not getting along. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, yer right. Bunch of numb nuts they are.
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Saw this in response to the Rolling Stone article...
Just got an updated on VHND from Ed's right hand man.
"The band is fine. Everyone is healthy and getting along fine. The tour is being rerouted to accomodate European dates. There will be an official announcement very soon. Stay tuned!"
Call me a cynic, but I don't buy that. That's a stupid move in my opinion. You screw over people who already have plans to see you on specific dates to accommodate other fans. That's just dumb ass.
I'm with you. That's ridiculous to the point of being almost impossible. I don't buy it for a second. And if it is true, it makes them one of the most incompetent organizations of the face of the Earth.
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Saw this in response to the Rolling Stone article...
Just got an updated on VHND from Ed's right hand man.
"The band is fine. Everyone is healthy and getting along fine. The tour is being rerouted to accomodate European dates. There will be an official announcement very soon. Stay tuned!"
Call me a cynic, but I don't buy that. That's a stupid move in my opinion. You screw over people who already have plans to see you on specific dates to accommodate other fans. That's just dumb ass.
I'm with you. That's ridiculous to the point of being almost impossible. I don't buy it for a second. And if it is true, it makes them one of the most incompetent organizations of the face of the Earth.
Exactly. I mean, how do you say to your fans who have tickets...yeah, were going to blow you off so we can schedule other dates instead.
Beyond ridiculous. Hey kids, Van Halen brothers, Barnum and Bailey circus is coming to town!
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I mean, how do you say to your fans who have tickets...yeah, were going to blow you off so we can schedule other dates instead.
I think the way you do it is to basically say, "yeah, were going to blow you off so we can schedule other dates instead." Hope that helps! :tup
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I mean, how do you say to your fans who have tickets...yeah, were going to blow you off so we can schedule other dates instead.
I think the way you do it is to basically say, "yeah, were going to blow you off so we can schedule other dates instead." Hope that helps! :tup
and also throw in... and if you have flights booked, and hotels booked, etc...tough shit! Have a nice day! See you in Europe! :)
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I don't buy the Europe tour either. As the article said, the tour was doing Well and they were making money. You don't reschedule a profiting tour to do another one instead.
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This surprised me. On ticketmaster, next to their picture under details it lists KY-mani Marley, was he going to be their support? If so i'm even more pissed.
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But Rolling Stone quoted sources close to Van Halen as saying the members are at each other's throats, making it a seemingly realistic prospect that the current incarnation featuring Diamond Dave (and Eddie Van Halen's son, Wolfgang, on bass in place of fired original bassist Michael Anthony) will not make it through the end of the year.
"[They] hate each other," an insider with knowledge of the tour told the magazine. "The band is arguing like mad. They are fighting."
Read more: https://www.eonline.com/news/van_halen_postpones_summer_tourmdashis/317381#ixzz1vFKqadpF
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After all these years you would think they could grow up for business sake. Apparantly that will never happen. Just another reason I passed on tickets for this tour. I'll save my money for bands like Rush and Marillion.
The latest rumour I am hearing is the shows are being nixed due to poor ticket sales from over saturation of the markets the shows have been cancelled in.
Who knows. I love Van Halen, but I'm glad they will not get any of my concert funds in 2012.
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Growing up won't make EVH and Roth stop hating each other. My cousin saw them here in St. Louis last month, and besides saying that the show couldn't touch the shows he saw with Hagar back in the 90s, he mentioned how Roth and EVH barely interacted on stage at all.
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After all these years you would think they could grow up for business sake. Apparantly that will never happen. Just another reason I passed on tickets for this tour. I'll save my money for bands like Rush and Marillion.
The latest rumour I am hearing is the shows are being nixed due to poor ticket sales from over saturation of the markets the shows have been cancelled in.
Who knows. I love Van Halen, but I'm glad they will not get any of my concert funds in 2012.
The funny thing is Tickets were supposed to go on sale today for Albuquerque.
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After all these years you would think they could grow up for business sake. Apparantly that will never happen. Just another reason I passed on tickets for this tour. I'll save my money for bands like Rush and Marillion.
The latest rumour I am hearing is the shows are being nixed due to poor ticket sales from over saturation of the markets the shows have been cancelled in.
Who knows. I love Van Halen, but I'm glad they will not get any of my concert funds in 2012.
Tick
alot of the individual promotors are coming forward saying the shows were either sold out or close too sold out, so the rumors of poor ticket sales is being shredded by the actually promoters
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After all these years you would think they could grow up for business sake. Apparantly that will never happen. Just another reason I passed on tickets for this tour. I'll save my money for bands like Rush and Marillion.
The latest rumour I am hearing is the shows are being nixed due to poor ticket sales from over saturation of the markets the shows have been cancelled in.
Who knows. I love Van Halen, but I'm glad they will not get any of my concert funds in 2012.
Tick
alot of the individual promotors are coming forward saying the shows were either sold out or close too sold out, so the rumors of poor ticket sales is being shredded by the actually promoters
Then I guess some people are using a different kind of truth.
:lhk:
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After all these years you would think they could grow up for business sake. Apparantly that will never happen. Just another reason I passed on tickets for this tour. I'll save my money for bands like Rush and Marillion.
The latest rumour I am hearing is the shows are being nixed due to poor ticket sales from over saturation of the markets the shows have been cancelled in.
Who knows. I love Van Halen, but I'm glad they will not get any of my concert funds in 2012.
Tick
alot of the individual promotors are coming forward saying the shows were either sold out or close too sold out, so the rumors of poor ticket sales is being shredded by the actually promoters
Then I guess some people are using a different kind of truth.
:lhk:
Pure cheese, Blob, but well played! :lol
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VHND.COM
Just when we all were beginning to think we were going to get a killer Van Halen album and an entire tour without any drama whatsoever, look what happens!
Yesterday, Van Halen POSTPONED (not canceled!) most of their Summer tour dates with no reason given. Immediately, speculation ran wild. Fans wondered if there were health issues. Rolling Stone quotes a mysterious “source with knowledge of the tour” who supposedly said the band members “hate each other” and are “arguing like mad.”
The Van Halen News Desk now has some answers form our trusted and proven sources. Other than those Summer dates having to be moved, it’s actually good news.
First off, no one in the band is sick. No health problems.
Second, we knew right away that Rolling Stone’s “source” is completely wrong, and can not possibly be a person with actual inside knowledge of the tour, because all four band members have been getting along splendidly throughout the entire tour. Roth and the Van Halen’s talk every day, and they are all smiles on stage. Everyone who’s seen the tour or even youtube videos can confirm that.
In fact, the band is on such a high from playing together this year and they were really taken aback by the Rolling Stone quote. They’re older and wiser and haven’t had any issues with one another.
Why were these dates postponed? The band has been working tirelessly for the last 18 months – writing and recording “A Different Kind Of Truth”, filming the “Tattoo” video, rehearsing, putting together the show themselves (lighting, the videos, the stage, routing the tour, and lots of behind the scenes stuff that most people don’t even know about). The band wants the second leg to be as awesome as the first. And for that to happen they want to put more time into the planning of it. Not just continue on with the same show.
Van Halen is very enthusiastic about the rest of the tour and wants be on the road for a long time. Just how long remains to be seen, but we’ll say that the tour will probably continue into next year. They are now considering touring Australia and Japan in the near future.
As it stands now, the 31 postponed US shows are due to be rescheduled. There should be some sort of official announcement forthcoming.
"Its actually good news"
Good news for who?
::)
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Why were these dates postponed? The band has been working tirelessly for the last 18 months – writing and recording “A Different Kind Of Truth”, filming the “Tattoo” video, rehearsing, putting together the show themselves (lighting, the videos, the stage, routing the tour, and lots of behind the scenes stuff that most people don’t even know about). The band wants the second leg to be as awesome as the first. And for that to happen they want to put more time into the planning of it. Not just continue on with the same show.
Sounds reasonable to me. No reason to complain other than, announce the dates so I can finally be able to buy the damn tickets.
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Still makes no sense and no real reason was given.
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Still makes no sense and no real reason was given.
it says right on that post.
"and for that to happen, they want to put more time into planning it."
It does make perfect sense,
Also, I guess no one knows the answer to my question?
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Still makes no sense and no real reason was given.
it says right on that post.
"and for that to happen, they want to put more time into planning it."
It does make perfect sense,
No it doesn't. Not for a group that's been around as long as they have. That is just a piece of P/R bullshit.
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Still makes no sense and no real reason was given.
As Blob said...Van Halen... A Different Kind Of Truth! :tick2:
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That is just a piece of P/R bullshit.
QFT.
And funny that they say...
Roth and the Van Halen’s talk every day, and they are all smiles on stage. Everyone who’s seen the tour or even youtube videos can confirm that.
...when that is not the truth at all.
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I just came back from the Minnesota show and I beg to differ. The band was tight and they smiled at each other and hugged, they were getting along well. However, you can tell that Roth's voice is getting shot, so I do believe the statement that they need a break. I really do, not to mention Dave mentioned in an interview here in MN that they plan on extending the tour to Australia and Japan
Great show overall. I have Eddie's solo on video, he was great! Better than when I saw them in 2004
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I just came back from the Minnesota show and I beg to differ. The band was tight and they smiled at each other and hugged, they were getting along well. However, you can tell that Roth's voice is getting shot, so I do believe the statement that they need a break. I really do, not to mention Dave mentioned in an interview here in MN that they plan on extending the tour to Australia and Japan
Great show overall. I have Eddie's solo on video, he was great! Better than when I saw them in 2004
Looking at some youtube videos that all seems about right. EVH actually looks great. Surprisingly so. Far from being the drunken corpse he was last time around. Dave certainly looks like the weak link at the moment. Doesn't look like a show I'd be interested in seeing, but it does seem they're doing alright.
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I just came back from the Minnesota show and I beg to differ. The band was tight and they smiled at each other and hugged, they were getting along well. However, you can tell that Roth's voice is getting shot, so I do believe the statement that they need a break. I really do, not to mention Dave mentioned in an interview here in MN that they plan on extending the tour to Australia and Japan
Great show overall. I have Eddie's solo on video, he was great! Better than when I saw them in 2004
Looking at some youtube videos that all seems about right. EVH actually looks great. Surprisingly so. Far from being the drunken corpse he was last time around. Dave certainly looks like the weak link at the moment. Doesn't look like a show I'd be interested in seeing, but it does seem they're doing alright.
I can't wait to see them. They're definitely a lot tighter than last tour. EVH was just plain sloppy last tour, but this time around they've really kept it together so far. It's no surprise that DLR is the weak link, as is often true with the vocalist in an ageing band, but then again he's never been the strongest singer anyway.
Here's a statement from DLR on the matter-
https://www.vhnd.com/2012/05/20/public-relations/
This might just confuse people more, but that's DLR for you. :lol But he mentioned Australia, so I'm just ignoring what y'all are saying. :biggrin:
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Okay, finally got a copy of this from a friend, and after several listens, it's okay. It has the sound and energy of classic VH, but the catchy choruses/harmonies are sorely lacking. Music like this only works if you have memorable choruses, and this album doesn't have them. Not sure if it is the loss of good harmonies because of no Michael Anthony, but I guess I can see why these songs were deemed not good enough to make their first few albums (since the bulk of them were written back then); they have the energy of that early stuff, but not the memorable vocal melodies. Ho-hum.
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Actually, every single song on the album has entirely rewritten lyrics and melodies compared to the original demos (check them out, they're not hard to find), aside from the chorus of She's The Woman, which is still arranged a little differently. And half of the album is entirely new material anyway.
I think all of these demo songs were completely there musically, but the vocal melodies weren't up to scratch, and even lacked a strong verse/chorus structure arrangement due to the vocals, but the redone melodies made a world of difference there. I've never understand why She's The Woman never made an album in the first place. Even in demo form, it's as strong as anything on the earlier albums. Baffles me why it was never on a studio album until now.
The only song that I feel should have remained on the cutting floor is Beats Workin', which is a dud tune no matter what they do to it. The music itself is just weak.
There are definitely a couple of moments where the lack of Michael Anthony shows (the chorus of She's The Woman is just begging for the addition if his sweet falsettos), but aside from that, Wolfgang slays on this album, and he finally earned my respect. There are parts on there I doubt Anthony could even play, and the bass parts really groove. And vocally, there are a lot of classic VH harmonies. The Trouble With Never is classic VH vocally, which is one of the entirely new songs iirc.
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The Trouble with Never is definitely one of the songs that is worthwhile. China Town and Outta Space both seemed good as well. The rest was just like a blur. And Stay Frosty...what a lame attempt at doing another Ice Cream Man. It was lame then, and it is lame now. The way Roth keeps repeating the "stay frosty" line sounds so corny, it is almost painful. When it is all said and done, I'll probably get a handful of songs from this I like enough to throw on the new VH mp3 CD I will make for my car, so I guess I can't ask for more than that.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-cancels-postponed-tour-dates-20120702
What's funny is, in the new issue of Guitar World, there is an interview with Wolfgang, where he says they hope to play together for a long time. Good luck with that. They can't even get through a whole tour without major problems of some sort, hence these cancellations.
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Those comments are all :facepalm:.
Canceling part of a tour leg isn't the end of the world. Yawn.
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Not to derail the current discussion but a funny thing just happened on a road trip listening to Van Halen from I to A Different Kind of Truth, particularly with the album Van Halen III. I used to hate this album. Everything about this album was just awful in my mind. However after last Friday, something *clicked*. It isn't the stinker I once thought it was. Actually A Year to the Day is fantastic and so is Once. Granted some of the songs are lacklusters and Eddie's little solo ballad How Many Say I should have never seen the light of day, but all in all, I'm surprised I actually like this album as much as I do.
As for the P/R stuff, I often find the truth lies in the middle. It's possible the guys are just burnt out and tempers could be flaring but on stage everything is status quo. I mean how many times has Eddie's temper gotten the best of him during a tour?
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III is definitely better than most give it credit for being, but I get why it didn't go over well with most: new singer and an experimental record. Most fans don't want VH experimenting; they want them giving them their usual "let's party" hard rock stuff. That had disaster written all over it from a mainstream standpoint.
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3 is the only VH album I don't own and honestly I think i only posters to it once. I didn't think it was bad, but i never really put the time in to get it and listen to it.
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III is definitely better than most give it credit for being, but I get why it didn't go over well with most: new singer and an experimental record. Most fans don't want VH experimenting; they want them giving them their usual "let's party" hard rock stuff. That had disaster written all over it from a mainstream standpoint.
Very true. I like it myself. I'm not saying it's a home run by any stretch. I could have used a real producer to tighten it up a bit.
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Those comments are all :facepalm:.
Canceling part of a tour leg isn't the end of the world. Yawn.
This all the way.
Apart from DLR sucking at singing, the band is on fire. If Sammy was singing instead, this tour would have been one of my favorite concerts ever.
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III is definitely better than most give it credit for being, but I get why it didn't go over well with most: new singer and an experimental record. Most fans don't want VH experimenting; they want them giving them their usual "let's party" hard rock stuff. That had disaster written all over it from a mainstream standpoint.
Definitely. I certainly wasn't expecting that kind of an album. The nice thing about 5150 was that it's wasn't that big of a change to begin with. 1984 was a great prologue to the Sammy Era and even though Balance actually experimented a little especially with Feelin', the album still maintained the distinctive Van Halen sound. III was a huge change, so much that I hear from others they listen to it as if it's a Eddie solo album and now with ADKOT VHIII is left the odd one standing.
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Full Van Halen concert, shot by a fan in multi-cam at the Pittsburgh show in 2012.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbsW_Dp0mpM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbsW_Dp0mpM)
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III is definitely better than most give it credit for being, but I get why it didn't go over well with most: new singer and an experimental record. Most fans don't want VH experimenting; they want them giving them their usual "let's party" hard rock stuff. That had disaster written all over it from a mainstream standpoint.
Very true. I like it myself. I'm not saying it's a home run by any stretch. I could have used a real producer to tighten it up a bit.
I can get on board with both statements. I saw them on this tour and they rocked it.
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I saw them as well and that tour had great energy. The 2004 reunion with Sammy stunk. Flat and it was like watch 4 guys not talking to each other on stage.
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I saw them as well and that tour had great energy. The 2004 reunion with Sammy stunk. Flat and it was like watch 4 guys not talking to each other on stage.
I saw the opening date on the '04 tour w/ Sammy and, at least at that show, they all looked to be having a great time...they talked to each other, rocked out, and smiled the whole time.
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I saw them as well and that tour had great energy. The 2004 reunion with Sammy stunk. Flat and it was like watch 4 guys not talking to each other on stage.
I saw the opening date on the '04 tour w/ Sammy and, at least at that show, they all looked to be having a great time...they talked to each other, rocked out, and smiled the whole time.
I thought the 04 show in NJ was amazing.
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Wasn't even close to all the other tours from 5150 on. There was something off for that night maybe but all the other tours slayer it.
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My favorite concert era for the Van Hagar era would have to be the 5150 tour. It just seems magical.
The Live Without A Net DVD captures feeling perfectly. The stage is bright, the band is having fun, the crowd is having fun, and the set is great. It just seemed like a great time to be a Van Halen fan. Every tour after that just doesn't have that feel
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My favorite concert era for the Van Hagar era would have to be the 5150 tour. It just seems magical.
The Live Without A Net DVD captures feeling perfectly. The stage is bright, the band is having fun, the crowd is having fun, and the set is great. It just seemed like a great time to be a Van Halen fan. Every tour after that just doesn't have that feel
The problem with that tour was they spent too much goofing around on stage. Maybe it was the lack of Van Hagar-era songs, and Hagar didn't want to spend half the show singing Roth-era songs, but there was a lot of down time in between songs on that tour. A friend of mine, who is a big VH fan, refused to go see them again for literally a decade because he was disappointed with them when he saw them on the 5150 tour. He said they literally spent several minutes talking and goofing around on stage after every single song. Sure, it's great to have fun up there, but you have to balance that with a good show for the fans, too, and when fans get bored because you are wasting time like that after literally every song, it is unbalanced.
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Yeah, I agree Kev. That first tour was a joke. The Eat Em And Smile tour was terrific. Closer to a Van Halen concert than Van Halen!
Certainly Van Halen would win the war, but the first battle went to DLR.
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I saw them on the OU812 tour and it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. I agree that on the 5150 tour they didn't really seem to know what to do with themselves and felt more like Sammy Hagar singing with Van Halen. By the next tour, they were Van Halen.
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Van Halen postpones the Fall Japanese tour after Eddie has emergency surgery.
https://www.van-halen.com (https://www.van-halen.com)
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Well, this is kind of a rip-off. No extras----just the CDs repackaged.... :tdwn The 40 bucks isn't worth it
https://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/ (https://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/)
https://www.vanhalenstore.com/page/VH/PROD/CDBOX (https://www.vanhalenstore.com/page/VH/PROD/CDBOX)
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No extras? Wow? Figured they'd finally release the US festival on DVD.
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Well, this is kind of a rip-off. No extras----just the CDs repackaged.... :tdwn The 40 bucks isn't worth it
https://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/ (https://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/)
https://www.vanhalenstore.com/page/VH/PROD/CDBOX (https://www.vanhalenstore.com/page/VH/PROD/CDBOX)
For someone who doesn't own these on disc ( I have vinyls and cassettes) $39.45 doesnt seem all that bad
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I'd say the odds are really good that they remastered these to sound modern (see: compressed to death).
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I actually would like to know if they are the Warner Brothers Remasters released 13 years ago or a new one.
wkiml: In retrospect, I do agree with that. Plus mine are all scratched. I might ask for it for my birthday
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Well, this is kind of a rip-off. No extras----just the CDs repackaged.... :tdwn The 40 bucks isn't worth it
https://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/ (https://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/)
https://www.vanhalenstore.com/page/VH/PROD/CDBOX (https://www.vanhalenstore.com/page/VH/PROD/CDBOX)
For someone who doesn't own these on disc ( I have vinyls and cassettes) $39.45 doesnt seem all that bad
As a commented on that site said, you can buy all six for 35 on amazon so this is definitely a cash grab by VH. Plus it would be better to get semesters of the other VH albums since they haven't done that yet.
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That's exactly like the release they did for Green Day. Similar cover art and everything. Shame that I already own some of those albums though. :lol
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I'm still waiting for a dang remaster of the Hagar era stuff, but I see that as highly unlikely right now. The remasters of the Roth era stuff (from around 2000, I think?) sound perfect as is, so no further releases are even necessary imo, but the original CD releases of 5150 and especially OU812 sound flat and not mastered for CD at all. The Best of Both Worlds versions of those songs sound a lot better, although I'd like a release with just a touch less compression and bass boosting.
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As Michael Anthony stated about OU812: "I could not have played on that album and nobody would have noticed."
Although Black and Blue would not have been the same without Mikey
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-david-lee-roth-vents-about-van-halens-future-20130212 (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-david-lee-roth-vents-about-van-halens-future-20130212)
Very interesting interview in The Rolling Stone with Diamond Dave.
Interesting points:
DLR hopes that one day Michael Anthony will rejoin
Alex and Dave talk regularly
Dave wants to tour more places, play festivals
Ed, as usual, is dragging them down
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Seems like Mr Roth is taking some shots on Eddie... no planned future of writing music or touring.... wants michael Anthony back... man I do wish Eddie would wake up and realize the potential.
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Roth said what most of us knew already: without Michael Anthony's voice, the VH harmonies simply are not the same.
And to repeat what I have said before, Eddie doesn't give two shits what the fans want. He only released an album full of songs that weren't good enough to make their first album and toured so his son could rake in some money and be set for life. I guess that makes him a good dad in a way :\, but shame on the fans for eating it up. I am glad I did not spend a penny on that album or tour. :tdwn :tdwn
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I thought you did buy the album?
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No, a friend burned me a copy, and I am pretty sure he burned his copy of it from checking the CD out from the local library. :biggrin:
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I've just been back on my Van Halen kick recently. Been watching Live Without A Net a lot recently too
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Sorry to bump this, but I've been listening to the FUCK album recently and the live album and I really love songs like Pleasure Dome (very different sound and vibe) and Man on a Mission. These are just great songs.
Anyone else like those later Sammy Era albums?
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5150 is in my top 3 for Van Halen, I think it's awesome. FUCK is pretty consistent but I rarely go back to it for some reason. Poundcake is by far the best Hagar era song though, with Right Now as a close second. So it has that going for it.
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I quite like F.U.C.K. Easily the second best Hagar era album (behind 5150). Great rockers like Poundcake, Runaround, In n Out, and Man on a Mission.
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I really enjoy The Dream is Over on that album.
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Yep, damn good record, although I was never a big fan of Runaround. But Pleasure Dome might be my favorite VH song of any era, and most of the rest is really good.
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It's too bad things went south after For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Balance was also a great album, and I felt like they were really progressing, never really staying in one direction.
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Yep, damn good record, although I was never a big fan of Runaround. But Pleasure Dome might be my favorite VH song of any era, and most of the rest is really good.
The one thing that bugs me with Runaround is that is has this big melodic pre-chorus build-up, then the basic chorus feels like a bit of a letdown after that. Anything like that for you?
I'm used to it now though, and now I love it. Easily their best music video since the Roth era too.
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I'd actually probably rank FUCK as my personal favorite VH album, period. Very consistent album that went back to the band's musical roots, and while Sammy was never as great as Dave was lyrically, he did a great job on that album. On top of that, I think it's probably the best EVH tone ever... It's either on this album or on Balance, IMO. Loved those old Music Man EVH guitars~ :metal
I might also agree with Kev on Pleasure Dome. It's hard for me to pick a definite favorite, but PD is definitely up there.
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Judgement Day is a badass tune.
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Yep, damn good record, although I was never a big fan of Runaround. But Pleasure Dome might be my favorite VH song of any era, and most of the rest is really good.
The one thing that bugs me with Runaround is that is has this big melodic pre-chorus build-up, then the basic chorus feels like a bit of a letdown after that. Anything like that for you?
I'm used to it now though, and now I love it. Easily their best music video since the Roth era too.
Yep, that is pretty much it. The chorus is just very vanilla and boring.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-releasing-first-live-album-with-david-lee-roth-20150206 (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-releasing-first-live-album-with-david-lee-roth-20150206)
Finally something new from the Van Halen camp. March 31st sees the release of their 2013 concert at Tokyo Dome and then remastering (yet again) the DLR era. I'll probably check them out and see if they sound better. The live album is hit or miss. DLR barely sang anything, but the band was on fire during the tour, so that could be interesting.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-releasing-first-live-album-with-david-lee-roth-20150206 (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-releasing-first-live-album-with-david-lee-roth-20150206)
Finally something new from the Van Halen camp. March 31st sees the release of their 2013 concert at Tokyo Dome and then remastering (yet again) the DLR era. I'll probably check them out and see if they sound better. The live album is hit or miss. DLR barely sang anything, but the band was on fire during the tour, so that could be interesting.
Yeah, if I end up picking up the live album, it'll be to hear Wolfgang and Eddie tear it up. As for remasters, I'm really hoping we get some remasters for the Hagar era at some point. There's some amazing stuff in that era. :metal
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Sounds interesting, but I will continue my VH boycott.
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Sounds interesting, but I will continue my VH boycott.
You took the words right out my mou-- :-X
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No video? Not interested. If they released a nice Blu Ray then id probably pick it up just because I love concert videos. A live album with DLR probably sounding like crap doesn't interest me too much.
At the end of the day I'll probably check the songs out on youtube and get the album if I find it enjoyable, but this doesn't excite me.
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Sounds interesting, but I will continue my VH boycott.
You took the words right out my mou-- :-X
It's what I'm here for. It's my job. It's what I do.
For me, no Michael Anthony = no Van Halen. Fuck Wolfgang. Start your own band, fucker.
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Sounds interesting, but I will continue my VH boycott.
You took the words right out my mou-- :-X
It's what I'm here for. It's my job. It's what I do.
For me, no Michael Anthony = no Van Halen. Fuck Wolfgang. Start your own band, fucker.
Easy on the tone, dude. And he has a band outside of Van Halen. He's in Mark Tremonti's solo band.
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I saw them on the OU812 tour .... I agree that on the 5150 tour they didn't really seem to know what to do with themselves and felt more like Sammy Hagar singing with Van Halen. By the next tour, they were Van Halen.
I agree with this.
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Just a live album? :lol :lol :lol :lol Does VH think it is still 1986?
Not like I'd buy a live DVD/Blu-ray anyway, since I'll never give EVH money again.
And all of those albums sound great already; they don't need remasters.
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I bought the last remasters and they sound good. I wonder if there will be any bonus tracks on these ones; if not, I don't really see a point in getting them.
I will get the live album for sure though.
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I'd be far more interested in some older live video...........recentlysome stuff popped up on Youtube (since deleted) of very clear video from the 1979 tour , which is extremely rare , and just for once Roth was tearing it up , getting the words right and hitting all the screams etc.......amazing stuff. That's what I'd be interested in..........just wish I'd captured that Youtube stuff before it vanished.
I'm the biggest VH fan going but I'm only semi-interested in this.
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I'd be interested if it was a live DVD, but not a live CD. I never listen to them, because then I'd rather just listen to studio albums. I want to see it.
None of the Roth era albums need remasters, as they early 2000s remasters are perfect. The first two Hagar era albums are in desperate need of remasters though. OU812 sounds awful on CD.
And give us a new studio album already! ADKOT was a great comeback album that I still listen to regularly.
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I have always felt that David Lee Roth...in his prime...was the single greatest "frontman" in the history of rock-n-roll. Period.
Today, he is more of a caricature of what he once was...a pale shadow of his former self. But wow...that guy was *the man* from 78-83....and maybe even for the earlier portion of his solo career.
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Concerning the remasters, if they are just the same booklets, same tracklist with no bonus tracks or anything, then I don't see the sense of getting it again. Because like you guys said, the 2000 remasters already sound good.
Also, I don't know if you guys saw the artwork for the album, but :-\
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OU812 sounds awful on CD.
I really want to know what that album sounds like with bass :lol
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OU812 sounds awful on CD.
I really want to know what that album sounds like with bass :lol
I KNOW RIGHT? It's the only bad sounding VH album, production-wise. Hopefully a better transfer and remaster could help a bit, but it doesn't seem like it will happen while the Roth lineup is active.
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It's the only bad sounding VH album, production-wise. Hopefully a better transfer and remaster could help a bit, but it doesn't seem like it will happen while the Roth lineup is active.
*cough* *cough* VH3 *cough* *cough*
Aside from the musical quality that one sounds like a garage demo.
And I really don't know why they aren't able to put out new music, a live album is kinda nice and maybe I will even get it, but it's no way to retain any kind of momentum after their comeback with ADKOT.
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It's the only bad sounding VH album, production-wise. Hopefully a better transfer and remaster could help a bit, but it doesn't seem like it will happen while the Roth lineup is active.
*cough* *cough* VH3 *cough* *cough*
Aside from the musical quality that one sounds like a garage demo.
And I really don't know why they aren't able to put out new music, a live album is kinda nice and maybe I will even get it, but it's no way to retain any kind of momentum after their comeback with ADKOT.
I don't even count VH3. :lol
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I never liked the sound on F.U.C.K.
Balance sound fantastic though.
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Easy on the tone, dude.
??? No.
And he has a band outside of Van Halen. He's in Mark Tremonti's solo band.
He should stick with that.
Besides, my beef is with Eddie, anyway. At one time, VH was my favorite band, but he has become such a boneheaded prick that I can't stand them anymore. I still listen to the old stuff every once in a while, but they have become less and less relevant to me.
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Will the remasters have the guitar in stereo? I can't stand listening on headphones with the guitar in only one ear.
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That would be remixing, which would be heresy.
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Will the remasters have the guitar in stereo? I can't stand listening on headphones with the guitar in only one ear.
I wish. I hate that too.
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Will the remasters have the guitar in stereo? I can't stand listening on headphones with the guitar in only one ear.
This is what gives especially the early albums a live feeling and a somewhat rawer sound, and you can clearly hear where Eddie overdubbed his parts. In short: this is essential for the sound, so don't touch it !!!!!
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The Van Halen camp has been busy recently.
Eddie gave his talk at the Smithsonian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuddpdSVh8I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuddpdSVh8I)
Nothing really new or interesting here, but I thought it was cool to hear him talk for an hour. My favorite response was when asked which musician who has passed away would you love to play with, and he said his father. I thought that was cool.
And now they have announced new tour dates with the Kenny Wayne Shepard Band. The Press release can be found below, and they will be appearing on Jimmy Kimmel at the end of the month. It's too bad they are skipping Minnesota--would have love to have seen them again--not DLR, but the musicians because they were on fire last time around.
https://www.van-halen.com/vhtour2015.html (https://www.van-halen.com/vhtour2015.html)
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Too bad Im leaving LA on the 28th... but they are playing by me in NJ on a Sunday evening... I may be going to that. I have only seen them once when they did the Sammy reunion tour some years ago. I had fun, and I would have gone to see them again if the times and ticket prices worked out. Ticket prices are usually cheaper for lawn seats at an amphitheater compared to any arena seat so it might not be bad. PLus livenation lost a law suit that has awarded me one free ticket that I have been saving to use, this may be my chance, otherwise I was thinking of using it on Def Leppard.
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They toured with KWS on the VHIII tour.
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They toured with KWS on the VHIII tour.
Indeed they did. I saw that tour in Raleigh, NC. Good show. :)
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Van Halen are my all time favourite band and I literally have a room in my house full of memorabilia , but I can't help but think that appearing on live TV at this point (and this new live album) are a big mistake. I finally had my chance to see them with Roth last year together with Aerosmith and - it pains me to say - Aerosmith blew them off the stage. And Roth was close to embarrassing with his gum chewing, screeching and old Uncle Dave dance moves.
I'm the first to admit.....DLR has the hardest gig in rock - trying to pull off their party rock from the 78-84 period at around 60 yo. And that's without taking into account his vocal limitations.
It's a miracle that they produced something as good as ADKOT and , as far as I'm concerned , the best that VH fans can hope for (and perhaps the band's best hope of making the best of it going forward) is:
1) Start digging into the vaults and release some of those old demos officially (like "Zero") ,
2) As above but with live footage. I've seen great quality footage from'79 where Roth is not only remembering the fucking words but is nailing every single note - one of the best live performances I've ever seen. And from a guy who ,let's face it , isn't renowned for his vocal abilities.
3) Perhaps in the studio environment , one last album is a possibility.
I won't be listening to the new live album or chasing down TV footage. I'd rather remember them as the greats they were.
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Its a shame that they haven't released a live dvd or cd from a late 70's/early 80s show. I cant imagine that there haven't been at least a few professionally recorded.
And Brent, do you know how many DLR era demos/b-sides are out there. That would be a must buy
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I've always had the collectors bug jj but bootlegs are something I've never really gone crazy on as it's just a bottomless pit. I preferred to get a hold of rare physical items - some dude has a t-shirt I own up on eBay for $1000 :lol
I do have something around which was a pressed CD (4 disc set) put together by someone on vhlinks back in the 90's which is supposed a be a collection of the best unreleased material. It's called Loonie Toons Merrie Melodies: The Unreleased and pops up on Ebay from time to time at high prices. I believe I have that somewhere.
If you don't have the "Zero" (1976 Simmons demos) album then that's definitely worth having...many of those songs (including the recent single She's The Woman) have popped up in modified form on future albums . I'm happy to put it up on the cloud for you to download if you wish.
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Thanks Brent but I see its on YouTube I'll check it out there
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Regarding old VH bootlegs, unfortunately there are quite a few of them but a great quality one is a rare thing.
Also, seems every other band from Heavy Metal Day at the US Festival has released their show. I know the VH has been widely traded in bootleg circles, but why the hell can we not get a professionally cleaned up version?
I'm the first to admit.....DLR has the hardest gig in rock - trying to pull off their party rock from the 78-84 period at around 60 yo. And that's without taking into account his vocal limitations.
I saw him in a club in 1994 and thought he was over the hill then. :lol
Without a new album these tours are just a cash grab. That's how I feel. How freaking hard is it to make a new album? You mean that Eddie can't come up with an hour's worth of tunes?
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Regarding old VH bootlegs, unfortunately there are quite a few of them but a great quality one is a rare thing.
Also, seems every other band from Heavy Metal Day at the US Festival has released their show. I know the VH has been widely traded in bootleg circles, but why the hell can we not get a professionally cleaned up version?
I'm the first to admit.....DLR has the hardest gig in rock - trying to pull off their party rock from the 78-84 period at around 60 yo. And that's without taking into account his vocal limitations.
I saw him in a club in 1994 and thought he was over the hill then. :lol
Without a new album these tours are just a cash grab. That's how I feel. How freaking hard is it to make a new album? You mean that Eddie can't come up with an hour's worth of tunes?
Supposedly last year they were writing music in Eddie's studio. I remember Mark Tremonti said he was there in the studio with them or heard it (one or the other lol).
When Eddie gave his talk at the Smithsonian he was asked about new music and he made the remark along the lines of "I don't know where Dave is, is he in California or Japan?". Like... no communication?
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I have always been a Van Halen fan. I still love their music. However if I was to consider buying a ticket to see the upcoming tour that changed after seeing them perform on Jimmy Kimmel. The band sounded great but David Lee Roth sounds absolutely awful! If that's the best he can muster at this point its time to him to go out to pasture. Embarrassing bad. My advise to the Van Halen boys...if you want to keep going patch things up with Sammy Hagar and bring back the guy who can still do justice to the bands music. Sorry Sammy haters but at least the guy can still sing.
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Yea, I personally would love to see Sammy with VH again. I fell asleep before the performance last night so I missed it. I guess ill find it on youtube.
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Yea, I personally would love to see Sammy with VH again. I fell asleep before the performance last night so I missed it. I guess ill find it on youtube.
I love both guys but I would never spend money to see them with DLR. Just beyond awful at this point sad actually. At least he is in tip top shape physically so he has that going for him but he can't sing at all! I'm 50 and still singing and I like to think I'm better and more mature now. He is just shot.
Check it out for yourself Cram, its easy to find. He also looking bitching with the breathe right strip across his nose from hitting himself with the mic stand before they went on. lol
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I'm not even going to bother looking up the performance. While I enjoyed seeing the band live three years ago, it's been obvious for years that DLR can't sing anymore.
I will say that I'd be interested in seeing VH with Sammy again, provided that Eddie continued to keep himself in good health. I'd be pissed if I saw that line-up perform anywhere near the lows they did during the 2004 tour.
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I'm not even going to bother looking up the performance. While I enjoyed seeing the band live three years ago, it's been obvious for years that DLR can't sing anymore.
I will say that I'd be interested in seeing VH with Sammy again, provided that Eddie continued to keep himself in good health. I'd be pissed if I saw that line-up perform anywhere near the lows they did during the 2004 tour.
Eddie actually looks very healthy. Best Ive seen him look in years.
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I plan on seeing them this summer, not for DLR specifically, but for the band as a whole. I've never seen them with DLR so I'd like to see all those older songs and whatnot. The tickets are cheap for lawn seats too so I don't feel like Im wasting money even if its not a good show.
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I'm not even going to bother looking up the performance. While I enjoyed seeing the band live three years ago, it's been obvious for years that DLR can't sing anymore.
I will say that I'd be interested in seeing VH with Sammy again, provided that Eddie continued to keep himself in good health. I'd be pissed if I saw that line-up perform anywhere near the lows they did during the 2004 tour.
Eddie actually looks very healthy. Best Ive seen him look in years.
Yeah, I know that and completely agree. But I'd hate for him to fall back into his old addictions.
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I have always been a Van Halen fan. I still love their music. However if I was to consider buying a ticket to see the upcoming tour that changed after seeing them perform on Jimmy Kimmel. The band sounded great but David Lee Roth sounds absolutely awful! If that's the best he can muster at this point its time to him to go out to pasture. Embarrassing bad. My advise to the Van Halen boys...if you want to keep going patch things up with Sammy Hagar and bring back the guy who can still do justice to the bands music. Sorry Sammy haters but at least the guy can still sing.
If they brought back Sammy and Michael Anthony, I'm there.
Especially since I doubt Sammy would even come back without MA.
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Not me. That 2004 tour was boring and no chemistry on stage. I paid stupid money for balcony tickets and they were face value. Not worth it anymore for me.
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EVH is on my list of musicians I will never give another cent to, so I wouldn't go see them again under any circumstances.
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A fairly extensive interview here: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/2/eddie-van-halens-immigrant-take-on-american-rock-n/?page=all#pagebreak
It's a shame the demo idea didn't get up instead of the live album.
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Thanks for sharing, this question and response makes me sad, not just for VH, but in general for bands of the past that still make new music (and good music too!)
Q: Is it frustrating that when you play a new song, the audience makes a beer run?
A: It’s kind of a double-edged sword. Thank God we have so many career tunes that people want to hear — songs they grew up on and that bring back memories of where they were and what party they were at and what chick they were with.
That’s what they remember and want to get back to. But at the same time, it would be nice to be able to put out new music that people would give a chance. Maybe 10 years from now stuff off of “A Different Kind of Truth” will be considered classic and people will want to hear those.
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He's kind of done that to himself by going 20 years without any new, good music. He turned them into a nostalgia act, by having all of their good music be from the past, rather than continuing to create it as he went along.
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He's kind of done that to himself by going 20 years without any new, good music. He turned them into a nostalgia act, by having all of their good music be from the past, rather than continuing to create it as he went along.
Exactly! I'll just quote this because its much kinder than what I was going to say.
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Wow, I didn't think Roth would sound that bad, but he sounds pretty bad.
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https://bravewords.com/reviews/van-halen-live-tokyo-dome-in-concert
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If you can survive through Dave's old dad dance moves at the start and some Japanese here and there ,this is a pretty decent piece on VH with modern day interviews with the guys + Ted Templeman etc...
Ted's a bit of a legend - Doobie Bros and then Van Halen :tup
Long though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OiDGWEG5fIo
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I listenede to it, and to me, it's just Dave being Dave. The band sounds awesome though. Not much to moan about the setlist either, although I'd love Atomic Punk in there.
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I'll repost here what I said last night in the hard rock thread :
I decided to listen to A Different Kind of Truth on my travels today - I redid my VH mp3 CD for the car right after I got the mp3s of this CD and just threw the whole thing on there since VH doesn't have so much material to where there wasn't room for all of it - and actually enjoyed most of it. I still think there are quite a few songs that are missing a vocal hook, but they have enough energy and rockingness to where they still didn't sound bad or anything. Granted, it's not classic VH is swimming in melodic glory or anything, but many of their songs have like one or two lines that are enough of a hook to where the rest of the song basically being one long rocking guitar solo works. Source of Infection from OU812 is a good example of this, since that song is basically one giant guitar solo, but the "Love is the source..of infection...woahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!" part is enough of a hook to make it work.
Back to ADKoT, I can say I like it a lot more than I did at first, or even 12 hours ago. :rollin :rollin
The back half of the album is much better than the front half. The best songs here are The Trouble with Never, Outta Space, Big River and Beats Workin'.
In light of that, I will promote it a bit in my list of VH studio album rankings:
1. Van Halen
2. 5150
3. Fair Warning
4. Balance
5. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
6. 1984
7. Women and Children First
8. A Different Kind of Truth
9. III
10. OU812
11. II
12. Diver Down
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Hmmm, my bump of this thread was apparently a failure. :facepalm:
I'll try again: I've been continuing my VH listening, and I realized today that OU812 is better than I thought. I still don't care for the two biggest hits from it - When It's Love and Finish What Ya Started - but Black and Blue is a great rocker, Source of Infection is just smoking fun, Feels So Good and Mine All Mine are good tunes, and A.F.U. and Sucker in a 3 Piece are both fairly enjoyable. I even don't mind the sound of it. Yeah, the bass is non-existent, but everything else sounds great.
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I havent listened to VH in some time so Id have to listen through to give a better rankings, but from what I recall:
5150
VHI
VHII
F.U.C.K.
1984
Fair Warning
A Different Kind of Truth
Balance
Woman and Children First
Diver Down
OU812
VH3 (I've only listened to this once or twice and really can't rank this compared to the rest)
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Hmmm, my bump of this thread was apparently a failure. :facepalm:
I'll try again: I've been continuing my VH listening, and I realized today that OU812 is better than I thought. I still don't care for the two biggest hits from it - When It's Love and Finish What Ya Started - but Black and Blue is a great rocker, Source of Infection is just smoking fun, Feels So Good and Mine All Mine are good tunes, and A.F.U. and Sucker in a 3 Piece are both fairly enjoyable. I even don't mind the sound of it. Yeah, the bass is non-existent, but everything else sounds great.
I really like 6 of the 10 tracks on the album, but I don't like tracks 1 & 3, or the last two, so it never feels like a good album listening experience for me. And even though I like a lot of the songs, there aren't any clear standouts that I need to listen to. The subpar production also doesn't help.
I'd love for it to get a good remaster some day like the DLR albums have, then maybe I'd listen to it a bit more.
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There is a lot of good stuff on that album. I agree that the production hurts it.
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I'll try again: I've been continuing my VH listening, and I realized today that OU812 is better than I thought. I still don't care for the two biggest hits from it - When It's Love and Finish What Ya Started - but Black and Blue is a great rocker, Source of Infection is just smoking fun, Feels So Good and Mine All Mine are good tunes, and A.F.U. and Sucker in a 3 Piece are both fairly enjoyable. I even don't mind the sound of it. Yeah, the bass is non-existent, but everything else sounds great.
Alright! I feel like I'm the only one that likes this album!
Like I said in Brent's thread, When Its Love blows, but I do like FWYS. I actually heard it the other morning on classic rock radio, and I really enjoyed it. I feel like the lyrics are a little icky, but I love the guitar and the Michael Anthony "Baby come on" background vocals.
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I like it Tim - ranked it 2nd in the Van Hagar stuff and 2 or 3 songs from it made my Top 10.. I even used to play AFU in my band back in the day. :) It's the last album where I really liked Ed's tone .
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Finish What You Started is a great song, I really like it. The guitar playing is very strong and shows that Eddie can do much more than his trademark tapping thing.
Overall OU812 is a good album with Source Of Infection being the weak filler track and When it's Love the cheesy ballad for radio airplay. But if the album had more bass it would have sounded so much better.
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I guess I am the only one who likes When Its Love, its definitely not top notch and is cheesey, but I enjoy it a lot. I guess I like those Hagar love songs.
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I feel like with 5150, the band was to formulaic and it feels forced. OU812 feels the complete opposite,. Very loose.
And with F.U.C.K., it feels like the band finally got serious and made a kick ass record.
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I've always found F.U.C.K. to be half great and half boring.
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I've always found F.U.C.K. to be half great and half boring.
You are right. But I think it's highest highs are Van Hagar's highest highs. There is some suckage on there for sure.
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Overall OU812 is a good album with Source Of Infection being the weak filler track and When it's Love the cheesy ballad for radio airplay. But if the album had more bass it would have sounded so much better.
Source of Infection is my favourite thing on there. Definitely not the filler track. :lol
I've always found F.U.C.K. to be half great and half boring.
It does have several average tracks, although the good songs on the album are easily among Van Hagar's best rockers too, so it balances out for me.
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F.U.C.K. is the f*ckin' best thing they have done, at least for the Van Hagar stuff. No weak tracks on there, just two or three that are just good and not great.
Source Of Infection is just not my song, the music does nothing for me and the lyrics are rubbish. Even the Apolitical Blues bonus track is way better. But to each his own.
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Out of the Hagar albums, 5150 and Balance are my favorites.
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Finish What You Started is a great song, I really like it. The guitar playing is very strong and shows that Eddie can do much more than his trademark tapping thing.
Overall OU812 is a good album with Source Of Infection being the weak filler track and When it's Love the cheesy ballad for radio airplay. But if the album had more bass it would have sounded so much better.
I agree with the lack of bass in the mix, but sometime ago, seeing a live video of Mine All Mine (IMO one of the greatest VH songs),I discovered that intro, it's not a keyboard, it's actually the bass with distortion! :omg: Very cool bass line on that song!
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I guess I am the only one who likes When Its Love, its definitely not top notch and is cheesey, but I enjoy it a lot. I guess I like those Hagar love songs.
Nope, I like it a lot, as well. The one that I can't stand is Why Can't This Be Love.
I feel like with 5150, the band was to formulaic and it feels forced. OU812 feels the complete opposite,. Very loose.
And with F.U.C.K., it feels like the band finally got serious and made a kick ass record.
Not sure how 5150 sounds formulaic. To me, that is the loosest album that the Hagar lineup made. Sounds like they are just going for it and jamming out.
I think ALL of the Hagar albums are kick-ass records. OU812 is probably my least favorite of that bunch.
Out of the Hagar albums, 5150 and Balance are my favorites.
Same here.
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I feel like with 5150, the band was to formulaic and it feels forced. OU812 feels the complete opposite,. Very loose.
And with F.U.C.K., it feels like the band finally got serious and made a kick ass record.
Not sure how 5150 sounds formulaic. To me, that is the loosest album that the Hagar lineup made. Sounds like they are just going for it and jamming out.
Agreed. While I was not listening to the album when it came out (I was just a baby), the album sounds very loose and fresh compared to the albums before it. It also gives off a "fun" vibe IMO.
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Inside is pretty loose. I'll give you that.
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Well, fun is a vibe you pretty much get from VH in general, IMO.
Regarding Carnal Knowledge, as much as I like it, the sound is a bit different for them. Most of their albums sound very warm, often aided by EVH's classic brown sound, but F.U.C.K. really doesn't. The guitar sound is harder and more edgy, and the drums are very loud and really hit you in the face.
I guess that is why I am not bothered by the lack of bass on OU812. The overall sound is, again, very warm, and given the vibe and pace of songs like Feels So Good, Mine All Mine and even Finish What Ya Started, the production really works. Put those songs on F.U.C.K. with its production, and they probably wouldn't work nearly as well; they'd sound limp and kinda lifeless. On the flip side, the production still benefits a hard rocker like Black and Blue. :metal
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https://bravewords.com/news/sammy-hagar-responds-to-david-lee-roths-jab-over-van-halen-tour-setlist-definitely-a-quality-issue
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I guess that is why I am not bothered by the lack of bass on OU812. The overall sound is, again, very warm, and given the vibe and pace of songs like Feels So Good, Mine All Mine and even Finish What Ya Started, the production really works.
I agree.
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https://bravewords.com/news/sammy-hagar-responds-to-david-lee-roths-jab-over-van-halen-tour-setlist-definitely-a-quality-issue
The feud will never end
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As long as it creates media attention why should it end? There's a definite plan behind it.
And Roth has problems singing Roth tunes, there's no way he could sing Hagar tunes, so Hagar is not really wrong here.
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And Roth has problems singing Roth tunes,
:lol
No doubt.
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Name me a 60 year old rock/metal singer who doesn't struggle with material from 30-40 years ago. The only one I can think of is Steve Tyler and perhaps Alice Cooper , whose material isn't the most trying. Either way he's not alone in that department and tbh I'm not expecting great things from Paul Stanley when I see KISS later in the year. Par for the course.
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True. But Alice Cooper couldn't sing in the first place! :lol And I LOVE him.
Actually, the most impressive "old" vocalist still going is Biff Byford.
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Name me a 60 year old rock/metal singer who doesn't. The only one I can think of is Steve Tyler.
I've found that 60 is right around the wall for rock singers. Paul Stanley, David Coverdale, and even Sammy Hagar isn't what he used to be, although he's still very good for his age. But from some Youtube searching, it doesn't look like he's even attempted Dreams properly in forever (they do an acoustic version where he sings an octave lower), and offloads a some vocals to Michael Anthony, who's also showing his age (or maybe he's just not suited to lead vocals).
DLR's vocal quality itself has held up pretty well all things considered (keeping in mind he was never an amazing straight up vocalist to begin with), but the biggest issue at that age is often just running out of steam, which is why live his phrasing is awful, and he has to modify melodies all over the place to require less effort, so the result is bad.
His vocals on ADKOT are very good though, and it's not a matter of post processing (there's no obvious pitch correction on it, so it must be subtle), it's that he can still pull out a solid vocal in a studio environment where he can take his time. I hope they record another album before he's not able to do that either.
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My biggest problem with Roth isn't his vocal abilities, but the fact that he is both crazy and a douchebag.
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Roth was crazy from the beginning and I think that's part of the formula of success of early VH. I think the problem is, that a young Roth could get away with it but an old Roth just seems silly still acting like that.
And I firmly believe that most of the douchebaggery in the music scene, and especially in the VH camp is part of the show.
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Roth was crazy from the beginning and I think that's part of the formula of success of early VH. I think the problem is, that a young Roth could get away with it but an old Roth just seems silly still acting like that.
Yeah, most others have realized that they are too old for some shit they used to do, but Roth hangs in there, like a hair in a biscuit.
And I firmly believe that most of the douchebaggery in the music scene, and especially in the VH camp is part of the show.
I think that is far too generous. Eddie and Dave give all the appearances of being legit douchebags, and Alex less so for going along with it all this time (although that's his gravy train, so I understand).
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I just think both are bat shit crazy. I've met people before that say things they believe to be true and those comments are way out there. Eddie and Dave fall into that category.
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Kwyjibo stole my line. :lol Roth does a shitty job of singing his own songs now, so imagine him trying to sing the Hagar songs (which are by and large tougher to sing). Think of Roth trying to sing Dreams or Right Now. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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New Remasters coming..again?
https://bravewords.com/news/van-halen-newly-mastered-versions-of-van-halen-ii-women-and-children-first-fair-warning-and-diver-down-to-be-issued-july-10th-pre-order-available
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New Remasters coming..again?
https://bravewords.com/news/van-halen-newly-mastered-versions-of-van-halen-ii-women-and-children-first-fair-warning-and-diver-down-to-be-issued-july-10th-pre-order-available
I haven't bothered to keep up with VH remasters 100% , but from memory the albums haven't had a genuine remaster since the early 2000's.
If you're referring to the remasters that were announced along with the Tokyo Dome Live disc then that was just VH 1 and 1984. This is just the announcement for the other four to complete the set.
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Yes, but didn't they release a box of the 1st 6 albums?
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Don't hold me to it but I'm pretty sure they were basically the same product as the early 2000's remasters I referred to (which I understand weren't any great improvement - just the opposite according to some). Presumably these are trying to be a better product.
AFAIK the box you referred to didn't get a US release either.
https://www.antimusic.com/news/13/March/27Van_Halen_Box_Set_Canceled.shtml
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OK..cool. Apparently no bonus material?
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OK..cool. Apparently no bonus material?
nope ::)
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Brent, why have we never gotten an official release of the US Festival DVD. Most other bands from that day have released their set. I know the VH has been pretty widely traded, but a cleaned up official release would be great, no?
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Brent, why have we never gotten an official release of the US Festival DVD. Most other bands from that day have released their set. I know the VH has been pretty widely traded, but a cleaned up official release would be great, no?
Since the answer to every Van Halen-related "Why?" question is "Eddie is a douche," I will assume that is the answer for this one as well.
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Brent, why have we never gotten an official release of the US Festival DVD. Most other bands from that day have released their set. I know the VH has been pretty widely traded, but a cleaned up official release would be great, no?
I'm pretty sure I have that on a VHS somewhere :lol - totally useless :) Well aside from Dave being twice as wasted as usual for that gig (I don't think they want it released) , my understanding is that the band don't own the footage.......some mob called Historic Film Archive or some such.
EDIT......looks like I was right. This tidied up footage was let out a while back and has their watermark all over it. I am not sure how other bands went about their releases.
https://youtu.be/TMKqK2PYPwU
Just as an aside someone on Youtube posted some amazing footage of VH in 1979 with Dave absolutely nailing every single word/scream a year or so ago..........it would change a lot of people's opinions of DLR live if they saw that. He was great live for a year or two there :lol Unfortunately I didn't think to try and find a way to capture it and it was taken down in no time.
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https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/billboard-cover-eddie-van-halen-surviving-addiction-why-130052426.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
EVH and Roth deserve each other. Two of the biggest dicks in rock history. :tdwn :tdwn
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https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/billboard-cover-eddie-van-halen-surviving-addiction-why-130052426.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
EVH and Roth deserve each other. Two of the biggest dicks in rock history. :tdwn :tdwn
Agreed. What a fuckhead.
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I'm not seeing anything in there to get worked up over. This is rock.
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Sammy certainly got worked up over it
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I'm not seeing anything in there to get worked up over. This is rock.
No one is worked up, but you're okay with the way EVH completely trashed and belittled Michael Anthony?
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It's too bad Eddie has to publicly continue to do this. His issues have hurt VH in every way. Especially since he was the driving force early on.
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I'm not seeing anything in there to get worked up over. This is rock.
No one is worked up, but you're okay with the way EVH completely trashed and belittled Michael Anthony?
I'm not happy about it, but it doesn't bother me. He definitely underrates the importance of Michael Anthony to the band, but he wasn't all that far off the mark either. As much as I hate to admit it, Wolfgang is a much better player (despite being a fat potato on stage), and hearing Anthony sing some lead parts on Youtube recently, he doesn't have that strong a voice, his style and range was just well suited to harmonies.
I love Michael Anthony as much as the next guy, and would rather him in the band than kid Wolfie, but this isn't news we haven't heard before.
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Whether or not his kid is better is not the point; saying Anthony was so bad that he had to be shown every bass lick is just such a low blow. I think Hagar needs to lay off of his tequila if he really thinks Anthony is a top 5 rock bass player :lol, but that's just him sticking up for his pal. EVH has shown himself over the years to be one of the biggest dickheads in rock, and this is just another chapter in that book. It's why I refuse to ever give Van Halen another cent.
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I'll give EVH money for as long as he puts out great music (which he did with ADKOT). Couldn't care less about anything else, as it's irrelevant to the quality of the music. EVH is mid-range rock jerk at best.
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Mikey response was good. EVH comments just hurt the fans and no one else, I'm glad he took and has always taken the high road. And to honestly think Mikey's background vocals were not a bug part of the VH sound is wrong, I love his background vocals... And honestly I can't say I care if he isn't the greatest player... He didn't need to be.
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Ed taught Mikey everything he knows but Ed had some help himself.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/9f/27/539f27546a85b350b3226cdd0bfad1bf.jpg)
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It's too bad Eddie has to publicly continue to do this. His issues have hurt VH in every way. Especially since he was the driving force early on.
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I'll give EVH money for as long as he puts out great music (which he did with ADKOT). Couldn't care less about anything else, as it's irrelevant to the quality of the music. EVH is mid-range rock jerk at best.
Hagar responds (no surprise, whether he's wrong or right he also likes to hear his own voice), and everyone has his name up in the press and the internet. Misson accomplished :biggrin:
And I've heard so many interviews with EVH and he said so many things and he contradicted himself so many times, I automatically believe only 50% of what he's saying. And even that number may be far too high.
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Sure, Hagar responds; he is his own biggest fan. But AFAIK, he isn't a lying asshole fuck like EVH is.
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I'm not trying to defend EVH, but I have a hard time believing that one loudmouth (Hagar) always speaks the truth and another loudmouth (Eddie) is always lying. And Roth will probably tell a whole different story when and if he replies.
The truth is out there but it's with neither of them.
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There are certainly two sides to every story.
But when telling the same story, I will believe Hagar's rendition more often than Eddie's. Frankly, he doesn't come off like a douche like Eddie does, and has always given credit where credit is due (unlike Eddie), and he doesn't have anything to gain by lying, so he doesn't have a reason to do so.
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Yep. EVH will take every opportunity he can to shit on anybody whose last name isn't "Van Halen". I love him as a player, but he's one of the most egotistical shitheads on the planet. If it comes down to believing Sammy or Eddie, I'll believe Sammy every time.
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Yep. EVH will take every opportunity he can to shit on anybody whose last name isn't "Van Halen". I love him as a player, but he's one of the most egotistical shitheads on the planet. If it comes down to believing Sammy or Eddie, I'll believe Sammy every time.
:metal
Also, by his own admission in that article, Eddie doesn't really listen to other music. I don't trust that.
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Sure, Hagar responds; he is his own biggest fan. But AFAIK, he isn't a lying asshole fuck like EVH is.
Correct. I am not aware of him lying.
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Yep. EVH will take every opportunity he can to shit on anybody whose last name isn't "Van Halen". I love him as a player, but he's one of the most egotistical shitheads on the planet. If it comes down to believing Sammy or Eddie, I'll believe Sammy every time.
:metal
Also, by his own admission in that article, Eddie doesn't really listen to other music. I don't trust that.
Well, to be fair, Michael Schenker says the exact same thing. He doesn't listen to any other music. I find that very very difficult to believe, but in the case of MS, I can't figure what he would gain from lying about it. With EVH, eh. Dunno. Lying would just be part of his behavioral makeup, really.
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SET LIST SPOILERS BELOW!!!!
Looks like VH's set list this summer is:
Light Up the Sky
Runnin' With the Devil
Romeo Delight
Everybody Wants Some!!
Drop Dead Legs
Feel Your Love Tonight
Somebody Get Me a Doctor
She's the Woman
China Town
I'll Wait
Drum Solo
Little Guitars
Dance the Night Away
Beautiful Girls
Women in Love
Hot for Teacher
In a Simple Rhyme
"Dirty Movies"
Ice Cream Man
Unchained
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Guitar Solo
You Really Got Me
Panama
Encore:
Jump
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Not bad overall. Cool to see Dirty Movies getting played, and they dug a little deep with Romeo Delight and Light Up the Sky, as well. It's also good to see that they have already figured out that Tattoo sucks, instead of dragging that out for another tour. On the flip side, it's too bad that the only two songs they are playing from the newest album are ones that got played last tour, instead of digging and playing some of the better songs near the end of the record. Oh well, it's not like I am going to go see them anyway. :lol :lol
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SET LIST SPOILERS BELOW!!!!
Looks like VH's set list this summer is:
Light Up the Sky
Runnin' With the Devil
Romeo Delight
Everybody Wants Some!!
Drop Dead Legs
Feel Your Love Tonight
Somebody Get Me a Doctor
She's the Woman
China Town
I'll Wait
Drum Solo
Little Guitars
Dance the Night Away
Beautiful Girls
Women in Love
Hot for Teacher
In a Simple Rhyme
"Dirty Movies"
Ice Cream Man
Unchained
Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Guitar Solo
You Really Got Me
Panama
Encore:
Jump
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Not bad overall. Cool to see Dirty Movies getting played, and they dug a little deep with Romeo Delight and Light Up the Sky, as well. It's also good to see that they have already figured out that Tattoo sucks, instead of dragging that out for another tour. On the flip side, it's too bad that the only two songs they are playing from the newest album are ones that got played last tour, instead of digging and playing some of the better songs near the end of the record. Oh well, it's not like I am going to go see them anyway. :lol :lol
Don't forget that they are playing Growth too after Simple Rhyme--and the unsung awesome song from 1984 Drop Dead Legs is being played too. I was really excited to see that.
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Not bad set list. If I wasnt coming home from a wedding in Syracuse that Sunday I'd consider going to see them in NJ.
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I have no clue why, but I used to never like Black and Blue that much, yet all of a sudden it's one of my favorite songs of the Hagar era. Not sure what took me so long. :facepalm: :lol
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I have no clue why, but I used to never like Black and Blue that much, yet all of a sudden it's one of my favorite songs of the Hagar era. Not sure what took me so long. :facepalm: :lol
That's actually one of the more listenable songs from the worst Hagar album....and easily the most overhyped and overplayed VH album in the entire catalog. It gets a lot of love in sales, but it's really a fairly poor album.
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Overhyped? By who? I almost always see it listed as the 3rd or 4th best Van Hagar record.
As for me, I actually like it more now than I ever have. I am still not big on the two big hits - When It's Love or Finish What Ya Started - and Apolitical Blues is pretty ordinary, but everything else is very worthy. Deep cut rockers like Sucker in a 3 Piece, Source of Infection and A.F.U. are all great to drive and rock out to. :metal
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Overhyped? By who? I almost always see it listed as the 3rd or 4th best Van Hagar record.
As for me, I actually like it more now than I ever have. I am still not big on the two big hits - When It's Love or Finish What Ya Started - and Apolitical Blues is pretty ordinary, but everything else is very worthy. Deep cut rockers like Sucker in a 3 Piece, Source of Infection and A.F.U. are all great to drive and rock out to. :metal
I think it's the 2nd biggest (Hagar) seller....and that's a shame.
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That still doesn't explain how it is overhyped.
I suspect the success of When It's Love is a big reason why its sales, in the U.S. at least, exceeded those of the two Van Hagar albums that followed.
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That still doesn't explain how it is overhyped.
It may get rated lower in prog-rock forums....but I was under the impression that it got general praise based on the (undeserved) hits.
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Despite the fact most people seem to like OU812 a bit more than me, I don't think it's overhyped at all. Given the order of albums and the time, it wouldn't surprise me if it's the 2nd highest selling, but I don't take that as an indication of much.
I've always liked Black and Blue, and it's one of the better on the album, but it's never been a favourite. Source of Infection or Cabo Wabo would be my picks.
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Sucker in a 3 Piece :metal
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I think some thought they lose their rock edge when they got Hagar, and songs like Love Walks In and Finish What Ya Started are supposedly proof of that, but you cannot listen to OU812 and tell me it doesn't rock. Granted, it's different from the kind of almost-effortless, non-stop party rock they did with Roth, but rock comes in all shapes and sizes. :metal
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OU812 isn't a bad album, but it's definitely my least favorite Hagar-era album. 5150 is very 80's in the best way possible, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is a great blending of the Roth style music with Hagar's voice and filtered through the band's musical maturities since then and Balance is dark. Really dark, in regards to Van Halen. I like it though. :tup
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There are definitely some dark tunes on there, but there are some that are not at all either. In fact, I think the album was called Balance because the overall collection songs was a good balance of light and dark songs, IIRC. I actually think F.U.C.K might be a little darker overall, since the usual brightness in their music was virtually non-existent, largely thanks to the disappearance of EVH's classic "brown" sound.
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I'm the biggest OU812 supporter here.
but you cannot listen to OU812 and tell me it doesn't rock.
I agree.
Granted, it's different from the kind of almost-effortless, non-stop party rock they did with Roth,
But I actually feel like OU812 HAS that effortless feel, and that is what has always appealed to me about it.
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I know what you mean.
Going back to the current set list, I am kind of surprised that neither tour with Roth has seen them play either of the songs they did with him in 1996. Then again, maybe EVH has little fondness for that period in the band's history (the nasty breakup with Hagar, the aborted reunion with Roth, etc). Plus, those two songs are probably a bit more challenging vocally than most of the songs they are already playing, and Roth can't even sing that stuff worth a crap anymore, so...I think I just solved my own mystery. :lol
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Do most people even know those two songs? (legit question, not rhetorical)
Only one of them was any good imo, and even then, they've got too many much better and more well known songs to cover at this point in their career. I wouldn't have expected them to play either of them.
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I absolutely love them both.
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I like Me Wise Magic, the other one is just ok. Pretty much your standard throwaway tracks for b-sides or compilations.
Don't care about what VH does live these days, but the set list is pretty great. It's cool they'll throw in rare/unplayed stuff.
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I thought both tracks were solid, but nothing special at all.
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The thought of them playing those tracks never crossed my mind. Not bad songs though.
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So today is Technical Operations Appreciation day at work. I did not even know this. Apparently my companies office is hosting a sort of happy hours with food and booze for everyone in the TechOps team. I however work in our data center and therefore am not in the office to enjoy the fun. My boss asked to video conference with me and said as appreciation for you since you aren't here and I know you like music, I got approval from my manager to allow you to expense up to $120 for concert tickets. All the concerts I plan on going to I have tickets to already or will be significantly cheaper than my limit so I just picked up two tickets for Van Halen on my company!! Now I have to find someone to come with me.
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That shouldn't be hard, I would think, since VH is one of those bands that just about anyone in between a certain wide age gap likes at least a little bit. When you go, just try not to focus too much on Roth's "singing." :lol :lol
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I took my brother. It was a fun concert. The place was packed. It was my third time in one week seeing a concert at that venue, PNC Bank Arts Center, and this was the most people I had seen there maybe ever. Must have been sold out since there were scalpers outside too which I do not normally see.
Yea DLR was terrible, hardly sung, but did plenty of dancing lol He is what he is, I didn't expect a Sammy performance. The band was really good though, sounded and looked great. Setlist was awesome, crowd was totally into it. Good times.
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Do most people even know those two songs? (legit question, not rhetorical)
Only one of them was any good imo, and even then, they've got too many much better and more well known songs to cover at this point in their career. I wouldn't have expected them to play either of them.
Me Wise Magic is easily in my top 5 favorite Van Halen songs of all time.
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I really liked the dark nature of the track. It kinda seemed like the next logical step after Balance. I would have loved to have seen where they went with Hagar after Balance because they seemed to be getting darker and mature.
My favorite line in Me Wise Magic (what does that even mean?) is "A Buddhist riff for your inner ear" Then the solo
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I would have loved to have seen where they went with Hagar after Balance
Truth. The few songs they did before the reunion tour with Sammy were decent. Haven't listened to those three songs in a long time though. I recall Its About Time to be solid and got a lot of radio play.
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I would have loved to have seen where they went with Hagar after Balance because they seemed to be getting darker and mature.
Me too.
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ran into Mike Portnoy at the show in philly last night :tup
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My mind was randomly blown when I found out these guys actually grew up in my country and the band's name is a Dutch surname. How I never knew that is beyond me (seems that everyone else here knows, though). Seeing a clip of them talking Dutch was really weird :lol I've never been a fan, but I've always enjoyed giving their classic albums and own a few vinyls.
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ran into Mike Portnoy at the show in philly last night :tup
(https://www.vhnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Camden_Mike_Portnoy_Van_Halen.jpg)
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Members of probably my top 2 favourite bands together. :metal
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If Van Halen ever reunited with Sammy and Mikey, I would love a remaster of OU812. That album deserves a remaster where we could actually hear the bass and sonically pack a punch. It's just lacking
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While its flaws are obvious, I've come around to accepting OU812's sound for what it is, and now feel that it is part of the album's charm.
Besides, I'd be stunned to see Anthony and Hagar ever in the band again. EVH would never fire his son, or ask him to step aside for a bit, to bring back Anthony, and Hagar would never return under those conditions.
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The OU812 production really only sticks out to me on Mine All Mine. But you're right, it's far from bad.
Yeah, Sammy has been pretty open about wanting to reunite and tour with Dave, but that's only with Michael. Although with Wolfie working with Mark Tremonti and his own solo album, maybe Wolfie would be okay stepping aside and Eddie being okay with it because Wolf is okay as well. But who knows, this is Eddie Van Halen after all.
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The bass is lacking when it comes to deepness and sonic punch, but overall it's still a nice sounding album where everything sounds crystal clear, which benefits the more laid back tunes like Feels So Good and Finish What Ya Started. Those songs wouldn't work with the production of, say, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
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I'd love for another Sammy/Mikey with VH tour, but I've given up any hope of that. Im glad I got to see it in 2005.
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I'd love for another Sammy/Mikey with VH tour, but I've given up any hope of that.
Same here. Then and only then would I be interested in Van Halen again.
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I'd love for another Sammy/Mikey with VH tour, but I've given up any hope of that. Im glad I got to see it in 2005.
I got to see it twice in the 90s, and I cannot imagine any reunion tour they might do coming close to how on fire they were back then.
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I would have liked to have seen where the band went after Balance if Sammy stayed in the band. Personally, Balance is top 3 Sammy for me. It's dark, mature, Eddie sounds fantastic, Sober Alex was finding new sounds and styles, and I think they maintaining relevance. Although, I'm sure the infighting aided the darker tone, but I think it sounds fantastic.
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Balance is quite good, and while it has a nice balance of styles, pun intended, it is lacking any songs I would call really awesome. It is a collection of good to really good songs. Nothing wrong with that, but most other VH albums have higher highs (except for II, Diver Down and III).
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Balance is quite good, and while it has a nice balance of styles, pun intended, it is lacking any songs I would call really awesome. It is a collection of good to really good songs. Nothing wrong with that, but most other VH albums have higher highs (except for II, Diver Down and III).
I'd never thought about Balance like that, but that's a pretty good synopsis of it. Still, Seventh Seal and Feelin almost reach that VH peak I think, and I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I absolutely love Baluchitherium. Eddie's melodic playing is fantastic and I never understood why so many people think it should have vocals. I imagine it would have been pretty forgettable if they had added lyrics and taken out those guitar melody lines.
Also, the b-side from Balance, Crossing Over, is one of their coolest songs ever, absolutely should have been on the album.
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I didn't know there was a lot of hate for Baluchitherium; I've always liked it.
And I agree that Feelin' and The Seventh Seal are the best tunes from Balance; I like Take Me Back a lot, as well.
The two big singles, Can't Stop Lovin' You and Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, are the worst songs on it, IMO.
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Also, the b-side from Balance, Crossing Over, is one of their coolest songs ever, absolutely should have been on the album.
That is a very dark , cool song that I got on the Japanese album release. Trivia : Eddie's original demo vocals and electronic drums remain in there on one track of Crossing Over. And the different Jap cover for the album (without the second "child") made that an even better collectors item.
And I agree that Feelin' and The Seventh Seal are the best tunes from Balance
They were my "go to songs" too.
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I don't think I had ever heard Crossing Over before, but I just checked it out and it was a good tune. Bummer that there is nowhere to get it on mp3.
Having listened to pretty much all of VH's material twice in the last couple months (went through a big VH binge a while back and again the last week), I think my updated album rankings would be:
12. Van Halen III
11. Diver Down
10. Van Halen II
09. Women and Children First
08. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
07. A Different Kind of Truth
06. Balance
05. 1984
04. OU812
03. 5150
02. Fair Warning
01. Van Halen
The Sammy material is pretty consistent, in that I could swap the order of the four on any given day, while the Roth stuff is more obvious, with I, FW and 1984 standing far above the other three early ones, while the new Roth one is not as good as the top 3, but better than the bottom 3.
As much as I enjoyed the Cherone album when it came out, yeah, it's not that good.
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Fair Warning
VH
1984
5150
OU812
Diver Down
FUCK
VHII
Women and Children
ADKOT
Balance
VHIII
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1. 1984- Christmas 2000, I was 6 years old and my parents got this album for me because I liked the song Jump. I remember playing it so often when I was little and especially when we moved to our new house a few months later. I would play it as I unpacked. Very influential album for me.)
2. 5150- Favorite Sammy album--especially Love Walks In. The only VH song to make Eddie cry.
3. Van Halen
4. Van Halen II
5. Balance
6. OU812
7. Women and Children First
8. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
9. Fair Warning
10. Diver Down
11. A Different Kind of Truth
12. Van Halen III
Crossing Over was a really good track. Cool one too, I didn't know about the left and right channel mix. The left channel is the original track by Eddie in 1983 with electronic drums and the right channel is the track as recorded by the whole band
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I'm not even sure I could rate them, to be honest. Album by album, I generally like the Roth albums better than the Hagar ones (more skippable songs on the Hagar ones, even if the high points are as high or higher than the Roth stuff).
TOP NOTCH
Van Halen
Fair Warning
1984
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
Balance
A Different Kind of Truth
("Me Wise Magic")
PRETTY DAMN GOOD (Would be Top Notch for any other band)
Van Halen II
Diver Down
("Humans Being"; "Crossing Over")
DAMN GOOD (But I Wish There Weren't So Many Songs I Wanted to Skip...)
Women and Children First ("In A Simple Rhyme" is perhaps my favorite VH song)
5150 ("Summer Nights" is perhaps the quintessential VH tune; even my kid likes it!)
OU812 ("Cabo..."!)
(All three Sammy Songs from "Best of Both Worlds")
INTERESTING (But You'd Expect A Lot Better From Legends Named "Van Halen"
Van Halen III
("Can't Get This Stuff No More")
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I like the original Roth albums, but I much prefer the Hagar era. 5150 is one of my favorite rock albums of all time.
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5150 is definitely my favorite VH album, but not entirely sure how I'd rank the discography. It would be a mix of Sammy and DLR albums at the top, with Diver Down and VH3 at the bottom.
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Diver Down and VH3 at the bottom.
Same
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I actually only own the DLR era Van Halen albums. I respect the Sammy era and am definitely a casual fan, but never bought any of them. And I didn't mind VH3.
But when it comes to the DLR albums, there is no question in my mind that Diver Down deserves the bottom spot. But I still enjoy most of it, but only listen to it on occasion.
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I don't really think there's a bad album in the discography. It's just that two of them stick out the most to me as my least favorite. ACtually OU812 is probably easily my third least favorite too.
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I do not get the hate for Diver Down.
Yes, it's short. Yes, it has covers on it (five out of twelve songs). Yes it has three instrumentals (but two are really intros to the songs that follow).
But I'm sorry, Little Guitars is excellent, The Full Bug rocks as hard as any DLR VH song, and it's not like the covers are shit; The Kinks and Roy Orbison are nothing to sneeze at.
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I wouldn't call it "hate" for me. It's just less-well liked than most of the others, primarily due to the covers.
But The Full Bug definitely rocks my face.
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I wouldn't call it "hate" for me. It's just less-well liked than most of the others, primarily due to the covers.
But The Full Bug definitely rocks my face.
Yea, not sure anyone said they hate it, just the least favorite. It's not a bad album by any means. I wish it had more original songs.
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No hate here, I think it's good but most of the other VH records are great. Little Guitars, Secrets and Cathedrals are my faves, never really cared for The Full Bug.
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Definitely no hate
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I do not get the hate for Diver Down.
Yes, it's short. Yes, it has covers on it (five out of twelve songs). Yes it has three instrumentals (but two are really intros to the songs that follow)
For me, you can't have Pretty Woman without Intruder. Some stations are Sirius XM play them together, which I prefer. I joined them together on my iPod.
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I do not get the hate for Diver Down.
Yes, it's short. Yes, it has covers on it (five out of twelve songs). Yes it has three instrumentals (but two are really intros to the songs that follow).
But I'm sorry, Little Guitars is excellent, The Full Bug rocks as hard as any DLR VH song, and it's not like the covers are shit; The Kinks and Roy Orbison are nothing to sneeze at.
I'm with you there. The covers are fantastic, the instrumentals are all cool (and short) and the original tunes are among VH's very best.
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Little Guitar stands out to me as the best song from Diver Down. Really good little tune.
Good to see some love for Summer Nights. :coolio
The studio version of Best of Both Worlds is still such a disappointment to me. I knew that song for years from the Live Without a Net version, which MTV played the shit out of, so by the time I finally heard the studio version, it was a complete and total letdown.
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I have the Live Without A Net version on my iPod. That middle part with the crowd chanting Eddie is really cool. My name is Edward, so it's cool to hear my name chanted :lol
How would you guys rank the 3 Sammy songs from Best of Both Worlds? For me personally, it goes
1) Up For Breakfast
2) It's About Time
3) Learning to See
Learning to See is last only because I forget about in that batch. It's not bad, it's just not the most memorable
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I love It's About Time, and Up For Breakfast is pretty cool. Learning To See is ok, but not one I revisit a lot.
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I love It's About Time, and Up For Breakfast is pretty cool. Learning To See is ok, but not one I revisit a lot.
That's about the same as me.
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I know I'm weird on this, but lyrics don't matter to me much, but titles sometimes do. I love the epic-ness and majesty of titles like "Stairway to Heaven", and "Achilles Last Stand", and "Diary of a Madman", and "Runnin' With The Devil". I mean, in the metaphorical sense, who didn't want to be on that bandwagon? Devil may care, gimme another bottle of Jack, lose the shoes, keep the stockings...
For some reason, "Up For Breakfast" bugs the shit out of me. Love the music, but the lyric ruins it for me. "Put your cream on my bananas"? Wha? And interestingly, that's the SECOND song ruined by "breakfast". Deep Purple, Slaves and Masters. Now, I actually LOVE Joe Lynn Turner (Bent Out Of Shape is one of my favorite albums of all time, and "Fire Dance" is one of my favorite Blackmore tunes ever) and so when he joined Purple it was a good idea from my perspective. "King of Dreams" delivered on that. BUT... then you get the amazing musicality and absolute horrid lyrics of "Breakfast In Bed". Embarrassing.
And the funny thing? I LOVE me some breakfast. Two eggs over medium, hashed potatoes, corned beef hash, wheat toast, coffee... best non-sexual start to a day you can ever have (and better than a couple of the sexual ones I've had if I'm being honest).
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For some reason, "Up For Breakfast" bugs the shit out of me. Love the music, but the lyrics ruins it for me. "Put your cream on my bananas"? Wha?
Ditto. I normally take little notice of lyrics (and am a rather huge VH fan) but I cringed the first time I heard that and never went back for more (breakfast)
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I just went back and listened to "Crossing Over" with headphones, and man is that interesting. What a good track; it amazes me to think what Eddie could do if he wasn't so much a slave to the "Van Halen Machine". I'd love for a record from him like Slash's "Slash" LP, or better yet, something under a different name like McCartney's "The Firemen" thing. Just 50 minutes of whatever comes to mind without worrying about "4:30 songs, and a guitar solo". As great as he is, and as great as his catalogue is, Eddie Van Halen is in my top five "under-utilized talents" category.
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Definitely under-utilized. I can't imagine what amazing music he'd create if he had the drive of like a Mike Portnoy.
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For some reason, "Up For Breakfast" bugs the shit out of me.
I think the thing that is funny to me is that Sammy is very critical of Diamond Dave's lyrics for being dumb and "not Sammy's style", which I agree, it doesn't sound right having Sammy sing some of Dave's stream of consciousness lyrics. However, Up For Breakfast has lyrics that sound like they could have been written by Dave. In fact, I think Dave could do it himself and it would sound natural.
I agree though on Eddie being under utilized. Alex as well, especially considering he's never done anything away from Van Halen. Not to my knowledge at least. Both brothers are very talented musicians. Alex plays piano/keyboard as well. Respect The Wind[/I, from the Twister Soundtrack is a good example. What a dark and moody track by those two
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I think Dave is massively under rated as a lyricist. Like I said - I rarely take much notice of lyrics but some of the things he writes are very clever and on another level to Sammy IMHO. Some of his best work is on ADKOT actually.
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Dave does what works in that context. His lyrics were memorable and fit the band's party rock image. Sammy was always stuck somewhere between trying to live up to Dave's style and trying to write something more meaningful and it didn't work quite as well.
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I don't mean to cut down on Dave's lyrics. I really enjoy them too, Dave does what he does best and doesn't try to be something he's not. He has a way with words. I was just listening to Dirty Movies last week and one of my favorite moments is: "Remember when that girl was prom queen?" Classic Dave delivery
Sammy has one of my favorite lyrics though and that's Love Walks In. My favorite
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I have the Live Without A Net version on my iPod. That middle part with the crowd chanting Eddie is really cool. My name is Edward, so it's cool to hear my name chanted :lol
How would you guys rank the 3 Sammy songs from Best of Both Worlds? For me personally, it goes
1) Up For Breakfast
2) It's About Time
3) Learning to See
Learning to See is last only because I forget about in that batch. It's not bad, it's just not the most memorable
I need to listen to these again. I checked them all out a while back, and none of them made much of a dent.
Dave does what works in that context. His lyrics were memorable and fit the band's party rock image. Sammy was always stuck somewhere between trying to live up to Dave's style and trying to write something more meaningful and it didn't work quite as well.
Sometimes it did, and sometimes it didn't. I think the lyrics to Right Now are quite good, especially by VH's standards, which are not very high, because, really, who listens to VH for lyrical greatness? :lol :lol And while not Shakespeare, I think the lyrics to Summer Nights do a good job of summing up what summer nights can be (or still are, for the younger folk ;)).
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The meaning of VH lyrics don't interest me at all, like Kev said, who listens to Van Halen for lyrical content?
There are a few which are outright bad, but if the song's good I don't really care. It's far more important that the lyrics flow with the music than that they make any sense at all.
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By and large, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I love when a band has great lyrics, but with a band like VH, their music sounds like party music anyway, so the juvenile, sophomoric lyrics just kinda work. Can you imagine a song like Panama with more serious lyrics? Hell no.
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I think Dave is massively under rated as a lyricist. Like I said - I rarely take much notice of lyrics but some of the things he writes are very clever and on another level to Sammy IMHO. Some of his best work is on ADKOT actually.
Brother, YES! I was actually just going to write this almost verbatim. I get it, there are a couple dodgy lyrics in the Roth catalogue, but I think for the most part, the ADKOT lyrics are smart, witty, fit the song, and are a lot... I won't say "deeper", but let's say, "substantive" that he gets credit for. Even a song like "Drop Dead Legs" (which I realize is off 1984), he's telling a story. It's like a gutter poetry.
Sammy is good too; some of his work on Balance is pretty good, but there's a fine line between Roth's "Hey, guy, we're going to hang, listen to some Mountain, drink some Jack, and then I'm going to bang your girlfriend, and you'll thank me for it in the morning" schtick and just crass sex for sex's sake (which is what I think "Black and Blue", and "Up For Breakfast" are).
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Let's not forget Cabo Wabo, which is essentially, "Let's drink so much tequila in Cabo that we pass out and fall flat on our faces." :lol :lol
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"Tattoo" is much maligned, but I love that line: "Mousewife to momshell, in the time it took to get that new tattoo". Tell me that doesn't capture the mindset of a million bored lonely women in this great country.
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That line doesn't capture the mindset of a million bored lonely women in this great country.
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I kind of forgot about Black and Blue. Yeah, Sammy did have some interesting ones... :lol
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It took me 25 years to really appreciate Black and Blue, but now I definitely consider that a top 5 Van Hagar tune (along with Dreams, 5150, Right Now and Pleasure Dome).
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"Dreams" and "Humans Being" are easily my two favorite Van Hagar tunes. Even today, I'm still quite surprised at how super heavy Humans Being is. And I watched Twister a couple of months ago for the first time in years and that song fits in the movie perfectly.
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I love that bass riff and drum part that backs up the guitar solo on that track, despite what I've said about bass on that album. It'a a great song.
Happy to see the love for Pleasure Dome as well. Always loved that song and it's so different compared to other Van Halen/Hagar tracks. It's dark, not quite sure what it's about, and that solo at the middle and the end. It's a great track. Can it be considered a more progressive VH track? Or is that just me thinking it's more complex than it is
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Agreed on Humans Being. Eddie's riffs are fantastic (and pretty heavy) and I love Alex's playing on the song, especially during the "loud" part of the guitar solo (for lack of a better description). I fondly recall having Humans Being stuck in my head all day once back in tenth grade, after I'd just discovered what a great song it was.
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Humans Being would be in my next tier of Van Hagar tunes.
Top tier
Dreams
5150
Black and Blue
Pleasure Dome
Right Now
Second tier
Summer Nights
Love Walks In
Feels So Good
Poundcake
The Seventh Seal
Humans Being
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Van Hagar only:
TOP TIER:
Dreams
Summer Nights
Love Walks In
Cabo Wabo
When It's Love
Runaround
The Dream Is Over
The Seventh Seal
Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do
Take Me Back
NEXT LEVEL:
Why Can't This Be Love
Best Of Both Worlds
AFU
Feels So Good
Pleasure Dome
Top Of The World
Can't Stop Loving You
Feelin'
Crossing Over
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Yea, Human's Being is actually a song that really got me into VH. I LOVED the movie Twister growing up, and I bought the soundtrack because I always liked that part of the song in the movie. I was glad to see them play it in 2005.
Top tier Van Hagar:
Dreams
Summer Nights
5150
Cant Stop Loving You
Runaround
Right Now
Aftershock
Next:
Source of Infection
Top of the World
Humans Being
Amsterdam
Why Cant This Be Love
Love Walks In
When Its Love
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I've never gotten the love for Runaround. It's an okay song, but that chorus is so damn bland.
I hated leaving Cabo Wabo, Source of Infection and Judgement Day off of my list.
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Since Kev brought it up, I've been listening to Black and Blue a lot. I've got one question though, and maybe it's just me, but is there a phone ringing during the outro?
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That chorus for Runaround is so fun though! I don't see it as bland at all
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Revisiting this (Van Hagar) I forgot a) how solid the whole catalogue is, and b) how solid those last two records are. You could put all of "...Carnal Knowledge" and most of "Balance" on the top tier list and not get too much quibble. 5150 is good, but it's a little schizophrenic, veering between guitar rockers and keyboard ballads, and OU812 (in addition to perhaps the worst album title for a mainstream band ever) is a little all over the map too.
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Good Enough
Why Can't This Be Love
Dreams
Love Walks In
Mine All Mine
When It's Love
Feels So Good
Finish What Ya Started
Black And Blue
Poundcake
Right Now
Not Enough
Top Of The World
Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do)
Big Fat Money
Baluchitherium
Take Me Back
A shame that during the F*U*C*k tour (which I saw in Kzoo), that they played nine of the eleven tracks from that LP, and that is what we ended up with on the 'Right Here' live disc. That's what kept that concert off of my Top Five or Ten of all time. Glad that I could grab parts from the Toyko '89 concert to include to make it a GREAT live LP.
'Black And Blue'...oh, so overtly sexist....yet, back in the day, after winning 80%+ of our softball games, (and winning one of four championship games), we had so many gals come to the bar afterwards, and they would be humping against us during this track while we were shooting pool. My then wife would do the same, we'd do air guitar with the pool sticks, we'd all sing, etc etc.
We all had fun, we worked hard and played harder, and somehow made it to work on time the next day.
Good times x10
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Haha, nice.
It seems hard to believe that Black and Blue was never a live mainstay once the 90s kicked in. They did play Mine All Mine at the one show we saw in like '93 or '94, which was cool. That was my first VH concert and it opened the show, so Mine All Mine stands as the first VH song I ever saw played live. That seems odd. Good, underrated tune, though.
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My favorite Van Halen songs are in just four albums, two each from the DLR and Hagar era. My Van Halen 1-CD length playlist:
Mean Street
Sinner's Swing
Unchined
Jump
Panama
Hot for Teacher
Girl Gone Bad
Dreams
Summer Nights
Love Walks In
5150
Poundcake
Judgment Day
Pleasure Dome
Right Now
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This is the perfect VH album for me. Sometimes I throw in Without You in there (yes, I like that song).
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Hard to argue with those four albums, although the first album is still the best. :biggrin:
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Without You is a great song. No shame there. Cool music video too. Well, not cool, but it works
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Hard to argue with those four albums, although the first album is still the best. :biggrin:
:lol I just tend to like artists when they already have a full arsenal. The songwriting and musicality just feels more...complete (not sure if that is the right term).
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Without You is a great song. No shame there. Cool music video too. Well, not cool, but it works
That is actually the one VH song I karaoke'd, like 13 years ago. I am pretty sure drinking was involved regarding that decision. :lol :lol
Hard to argue with those four albums, although the first album is still the best. :biggrin:
:lol I just tend to like artists when they already have a full arsenal. The songwriting and musicality just feels more...complete (not sure if that is the right term).
Hey, you like what you like. It's cool. :coolio
Nice to see you had Sinner's Swing in there. That song is so much fun. :metal
And I have a new appreciation these days for Drop Dead Legs.
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Sinners Swing is a great song and Fair Warning is my favorite VH album.
Unchained would be my favorite tune from the album but I always thought Push Comes To Shove was the coolest track.
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Drop Dead Legs was awesome on first listen! :metal
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I actually happened to write a music analysis essay on Girl Gone Bad for my American Music class a few weeks back! Not sure what grade I got on it yet though. :lol
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That's a good one, lots of pedal tone stuff.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRcbKVfmp8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRcbKVfmp8)
Not sure why Roth's team even decided to post this video, it was pretty obvious that they had no clue who he was and a part of me doesn't think that was a bachelor party....Anyways, I think he knew they didn't recognize him because he seemed to leave in a hurry. Nonetheless, I found this to be an entertaining video because I felt uncomfortable watching the awkwardness and just had to laugh.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRcbKVfmp8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRcbKVfmp8)
Not sure why Roth's team even decided to post this video, it was pretty obvious that they had no clue who he was and a part of me doesn't think that was a bachelor party....Anyways, I think he knew they didn't recognize him because he seemed to leave in a hurry. Nonetheless, I found this to be an entertaining video because I felt uncomfortable watching the awkwardness and just had to laugh.
The one guy at the end who came out to the elevator.....he was the ONE GUY at the party who knew exactly who that was.
I can just imagine all the guys going back inside going "IDK, some guy named David something something Roth said he was Van Halen." and then that guy was like, "Seriously? David Lee Roth was at the door? GTFO!" and the friends are like, "Wait, you know who that guy is?" And that when he throws on his shorts and runs out into the hallway.
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It is very possible that they were simply freaked out by that freakish smile that Roth sports non-stop nowadays.
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I'll tell you one thing. When EVH sees that, and hears DLR say, "I AM Van Halen"...he's the type of guy who's going to take issue with that.
I wonder if DLR will be erased from all the VH album covers for a month.
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:lol those guys were clueless, they just kept thinking they bothered some old dude with loud music
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I've been thinking about getting into Van Halen, so I would appreciate some comments regarding favorite albums, eras, maybe even album rankings and stuff. Anyone willing to help out? :biggrin:
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I've been thinking about getting into Van Halen, so I would appreciate some comments regarding favorite albums, eras, maybe even album rankings and stuff. Anyone willing to help out? :biggrin:
The Roth era: start with the debut, Fair Warning and 1984.
The Sammy era: start with 5150, OU812 and For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
After getting those, you will eventually want everything else, and for good reason, as there is plenty to like on every VH album (although Diver Down and III, the one with Cherone, are clearly the weakest links).
As for which era is better, Sammy or Dave, I think they are pretty equal, albeit different.
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I've been thinking about getting into Van Halen, so I would appreciate some comments regarding favorite albums, eras, maybe even album rankings and stuff. Anyone willing to help out? :biggrin:
Yes. VH have made 12 studio albums and 2 live albums (more on these later) so far and can be subdivided into three distinct eras: (Note that I'm focusing on album releases as reference for timelines) DLR (1978-1984 and 2012-present, 7 studio albums, 1 live album), Sammy Hagar (1986-1995, 4 studio albums, one live album) and Gary Cherone (1998, 1 studio album only, called Van Halen III) I actually like every studio album they've made (and I think the defining factors to have a good sounding VH studio album are Eddie and Alex, not so much the singers by themselves) and I think they are great players with great a great sound, still to this day. Some good ones to check out (seeing as you want to get into them) are: VH1, Fair Warning, 1984, 5150, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (aka FUCK) and Balance. The other ones may be best discovered after you've gone through these first 6 as it were. With DLR being DLR, his vocal style is full of (somewhat comedic) antics, so don't be put off by these OK? I personally prefer Right Here Right Now as a live album because the DLR one at Tokyo Dome doesn't feature too many good notes by him (sad that really, especially seeing as everyone else is on their "A game" as it were) Fair Warning is the darkest of the bunch IMHO. Sammy's albums are a lot more pop-esque, really quite different from both DLR and Gary Cherone. Gary is somewhat similar to DLR vocally in some way. What is a unifying factor (possibly apart from some on VH3) is that the songs are just great, no matter who is singing and the playing is as well IMHO. Any questions so far?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRcbKVfmp8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRcbKVfmp8)
...it was pretty obvious that they had no clue who he was and a part of me doesn't think that was a bachelor party....
A bunch of dudes hanging out in shorts in a hotel room does sound like the worst bachelor party ever. And it does not appear they are gearing up to go out anywhere. And was that guy who came out at the end asleep?
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I kinda like jammindude's theory that the guy either wasn't paying attention or was in the bathroom or something and missed everything until someone told him what happened. I got the vibe that he still had no clue who he was and thought he was getting yelled at for the loud music and came and apologized.
And yeah, Kev, that smile he sports everywhere nowadays is creepy. The Joe Rogan podcast he was on a few months back, it was basically 2 and a half hours of that grin.
Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I've been thinking about getting into Van Halen, so I would appreciate some comments regarding favorite albums, eras, maybe even album rankings and stuff. Anyone willing to help out? :biggrin:
Favorite Roth Album-1984 followed by Women and Children First, VHII, debut, Fair Warning, Diver Down. None of these are bad albums, they're either Fantastic or great to me.
Hagar-5150, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, Balance, OU812. Again, Fantastic and great albums.
Van Halen is my favorite band, I grew up listening to 1984 on my boombox in my room. I was 6 I think when I got it on CD (this is in 1999, by the way) and I didn't know what any of the lyrics meant, I was just drawn to the music and sound. To me, there's not a bad VH song, only great or good. I'm more of a Sammy era guy, I love 5150 and the accompanying DVD/VHS, Live Without a Net and the rocking, mature, dark sound of For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
Live: Right Here, Right Now is okay. The DVD kinda ruined it for me since they took footage from both nights, so mainly Sammy, but sometimes Mike, will magically change clothes mid-verse, etc. And most of it was re-recorded in the studio (didn't this essentially start that era's downfall?)
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Where to start?......The Debut.
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I know my position - about listening to music in the context within which it was made - isn't really popular around here, but Van Halen is one of those bands you have to listen to chronologically, and with the mindset that in 1978 there was NOTHING that sounded like that debut record. NOTHING. "Eruption" was THAT disruptive.
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Thank you all for your detailed replies. Usually, I discover bands by going chronologically. However, I'm apprehensive about starting with the debut - isn't it kind of odd to hear the best one right away and then move your way through the rest, which might be good but not as great as the first thing you heard? This might be one time I'll start with a different album. ;D
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Aside from the hits that were played on the radio, I didn't hear the debut until the early 90's after I knew all of their 80's hits, so I don't think starting with the debut is a must.
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I'm gonna give a pitch for Diver Down being unfairly or excessively maligned. Yes, it had a bunch of covers, but some of those covers were really well done, and the originals were excellent.
Where Have All the Good Times Gone -- Kinks cover. I don't know the original. The VH version is excellent.
Hang 'Em High -- Original. Completely kick ass song. As far as I'm concerned, it holds its own against any other DLR-era song other than Unchained.
Cathedral -- Original. This is an Eddie solo pieced in which he makes his guitar sound a bit like a church organ. It's fine for what it is.
Secrets -- Original. Good but not great.
Intruder -- Original. Instrumental that functions as a lead into to the next song. In that context, it is excellent.
(Oh) Pretty Woman -- Roy Orbison cover. Umpteen times better than the original. Great cover.
Dancing in the Street -- Martha and the Vandellas cover. Again, much better than the original (as well as the Bowie/Jagger version).
Little Guitars -- Original. This is actually split into two tracks on the album: Little Guitars (Intro), which is a 42 second classical guitar piece by Eddie, and the song proper. Good song.
Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now) -- Cover, but I'm not sure who the original artist was. This is where the album kind of came off the rails. It's sort of a bluegrass/dixieland/barbershop quartet song. This quote from Eddie sums it up: "It was Dave's idea to do 'Big Bad Bill.' He bought himself one of those Sanyo Walkman-type things with the FM-AM radio, and you can record off the radio if you like something you hear. He was up in his bedroom at his father's house and he found that if he stood in a certain spot and pointed his antenna a certain way, he picked up this weird radio station in Louisville, Kentucky. He recorded 'Big Bad Bill' and played it to us, and we started laughing ourselves silly and going, 'That is bad! Let's do it!' Dave suggested, 'Hey, we can get your old man to play the clarinet.' We said, 'sure.'"
The Full Bug -- Original. A good chunk of this song is pretty cool, but it opens with this old time ZZ Top thing (I think it's similar to La Grange, but I'm not sure about that), which returns after the guitar solo. The rest of the song is good.
Happy Trails -- Roy Rogers/Dale Evans cover. The band did this in the traditional style, and it's fine as far as it goes, but it brings the album to a dud of a conclusion.
In addition to what's noted above, the other well-deserved criticism is that the album is only 31:04. If it had been 10 minutes longer, then wasting time with stuff like Big Bad Bill and Happy Trails might have met with a bit less criticism.
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I love The Full Bug, which is really the only song that fits with my DLR Era Compilation. I like Little Guitars too.
But Diver Down is a glorified EP, and not a very strong one.
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Little Guitar is probably the song I revisit the most from Diver Down, but I agree that it sounds like a glorified EP. Plus, it really comes off as lacking when you consider the albums that came before (Fair Warning) and after (1984) it.
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Diver Down has my favorite VH song, Pretty Woman. Not sure I could name another song off that album, but I am really only knowledgeable about the band's material in a "Greatest Hits" sorta way.
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Diver Down has my favorite VH song, Pretty Woman. Not sure I could name another song off that album, but I am really only knowledgeable about the band's material in a "Greatest Hits" sorta way.
You're missing out. The Full Bug and Hang 'Em High are really great blistering heavy songs. And Little Guitars and Secrets are overlooked and underrated poppier tunes. Those are probably my favorites. It does almost feel like an EP though. It's extremely short, and loaded with covers. In fact, the four songs I just mentioned are the only *actual* Van Halen songs on the album. The rest are covers, interludes, and intros. But even those moments are fun. I can't imagine a world where we didn't have BBBISWN and Happy Trials. Even though they seem like throwaways, I still love them.
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Shouldn't surprise anyone that I fucking LOVE Diver Down. Then again, I love all the DLR records. I'm not even sure I can name my least favorite (maybe II? Maybe Women And Children First? though "In A Simple Rhyme" may be my favorite VH song.)
Big Bad Bill is sort of a novelty (I know Peggy Lee did a version, and I am familiar with the Merle Haggard version from the early 70's, since my mom and dad are country fans).
But I like the covers (love the Kinks, love Roy Orbison, love Martha and the Vandellas, though I despise the Mick and David Bowie version; stunning that those are the guys that did Gimme Shelter and Ziggy Stardust) and while it's only nuggets, Ed plays some cool shit on that record.
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Totally with you on In A Simple Rhyme.
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I like on XM radio, they combine Intruder/Pretty Woman into one song. I have them combined on my iPod as well. Overall, I know I ranked it last, but I do actually like a lot of Diver Down. Little Guitars is probably in the top 10 DLR era tracks for me. I enjoy Dancing in the Streets, really like Where Have All The Good Times gone, BBWISWN is cool especially with Jan Van Halen on it. Didn't Eddie really hate Diver Down, which really motivated him to build 5150 so he didn't have to answer to Roth and Templeman?
It's odd that I combine Intruder and Pretty Woman when I don't combine Tora! Tora!/Loss of Control or Sunday Afternoon In The Park/One Foot Out The Door. I just really like the way Intruder leads into Pretty Woman.
Also, A Simple Rhyme is an amazing track. When the band comes back in after that quiet part, it's so cool. I really like Side 2 of Women and Children First
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I love Loss Of Control.
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Mayday! Mayday!
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Didn't Eddie really hate Diver Down, which really motivated him to build 5150 so he didn't have to answer to Roth and Templeman?
I saw the original interview where he was reviewing all the VH albums. He never said he hated it. He was just extremely dismissive of it because of all the covers. He did say it was his least favorite at the time. But in later interviews, he had softened his stance a bit. Even saying he felt like he had been a little too harsh in the earlier interview.
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While I agree that Diver Down is the least of the DLR albums, it's still pretty good. The originals are all really nice, and most of the covers are great too (except for "Dancing in the Streets").
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Short though it may be, Diver Down has more songs on my DLR era top 10 than Diver Down. In album order:
Ain't Talkin' 'bout Love (is there another rock song with more apostrophes in the title?)
Feel Your Love Tonight
Dance the Night Away
Beautiful Girls
Everybody Wants Some
In a Simple Rhyme
Unchained
Where Have All the Good Time Gone
Hang 'Em High
Intruder/(Oh) Pretty Woman
(and yes, I'm aware I have nothing from 1984 here, and yes, that's intentional)
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I say start with VH1, why not? It's their first and one of the top classic hard rock albums of all time. And just go from there chronologically.
If you want to go with Sammy, start with 5150 his first and his best with them IMO and go from there chronologically.
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Short though it may be, Diver Down has more songs on my DLR era top 10 than Diver Down.
Sounds like a paradox. :biggrin:
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Short though it may be, Diver Down has more songs on my DLR era top 10 than Diver Down.
Sounds like a paradox. :biggrin:
yaaarrrgggggghhh...
I meant DD has more songs on the list than any other DLR-era album.
If you want to go with Sammy, start with 5150 his first and his best with them IMO and go from there chronologically.
Go chronologically, but skip OU812.
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If you want to go with Sammy, start with 5150 his first and his best with them IMO and go from there chronologically.
Go chronologically, but skip OU812.
Maybe my least favorite VH album overall (although I haven't listened to 3 in ages to really compare) but I guess I should say with a caveate, if you don't like this album please give F.U.C.K. a try as it gets back to being really good. However I know some people do like that album so there is that.
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If you want to go with Sammy, start with 5150 his first and his best with them IMO and go from there chronologically.
Go chronologically, but skip OU812.
Maybe my least favorite VH album overall (although I haven't listened to 3 in ages to really compare) but I guess I should say with a caveate, if you don't like this album please give F.U.C.K. a try as it gets back to being really good. However I know some people do like that album so there is that.
Agree, and I have had -- until 4:40:41 p.m. on June 4, 2019 -- never heard anyone say OU812 is better than FUCK.
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OU812 is better than For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
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OU812 is better than For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
Not sure if that is true, but OU812 is definitely better than 5150.
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Honestly, all four albums with Hagar are so strong that I could make legit arguments as to why each is the best of the four.
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I'd replace "strong" with "comparable" :P
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OU812 is better than For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
Not sure if that is true, but OU812 is definitely better than 5150.
No, just no.
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Where's the bass on OU812?
Favorite track from OU812 is probably Mine All Mine. Not really a bad track on OU812, while 5150 has Inside on it....I can't compare them really, I love them both.
I'm curious for those who witnessed it, what was it like to hear about DLR leaving Van Halen, bringing Sammy onboard, you hear Why Can't This Be Love on the radio in February 1986, or pop in 5150 and hear "Hello Baaaaaby" for the first time. What was that like? Were you onboard with it, or did it take awhile to warm up to it?
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The lack of bass on OU812 doesn't bother me. It is a product of its time (later 80's).
I think the best songs on 5150 (Dreams and the title track) are better than anything from OU812, but Good Enough is kind of weak and the studio version of Best of Both Worlds is what a limp dick set to music would sound like. Inside isn't great, but I enjoy it for the goof-off song it is.
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It was surprising to me to find out MUCH later in life that most people across the nation hadn't heard of Sammy Hagar. He had been a radio darling in Seattle since his days in Montrose in the late 70s, and several of his solo hits had long been rock radio staples on our local station. (Heck, every song on side one of Standing Hampton was played AD NAUSEUM when it was released)
I didn't pay much attention to 5150 when it came out....but I was in the midst of my full on thrash phase, so Get Up was the only song that interested me, and was honestly the only reason I ever even gave the album a second look. I still love that song, and can't figure out why everyone hates on it.
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OU812 is better than For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
This is just plain wrong, and deep down in your heart you know it. ;)
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OU812 is better than For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
This is just plain wrong, and deep down in your heart you know it. ;)
I actually do not. ;)
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is probably more top-heavy - Pleasure Dome, Right Now and Poundcake are all killer tracks and some of their best songs ever - but it also has some of the weakest songs of the Van Hagar era (In 'N' Out and Man on a Mission), not to mention songs like Runaround and Top of the World are just pretty good. OU812 is very consistent and an easy start to finish listen.
It was surprising to me to find out MUCH later in life that most people across the nation hadn't heard of Sammy Hagar. He had been a radio darling in Seattle since his days in Montrose in the late 70s, and several of his solo hits had long been rock radio staples on our local station. (Heck, every song on side one of Standing Hampton was played AD NAUSEUM when it was released)
I didn't pay much attention to 5150 when it came out....but I was in the midst of my full on thrash phase, so Get Up was the only song that interested me, and was honestly the only reason I ever even gave the album a second look. I still love that song, and can't figure out why everyone hates on it.
I actually meant to say in my post above that Good Enough (not Get Up) was kinda weak. I like Get Up quite a bit, actually. :tup :tup
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I actually really like In 'n' Out, such great guitar work. :metal
For me, Man On A Mission is the only mediocre track on an otherwise stellar album. OU812 isn't bad either but has a lot of just good solid songs, it lacks the highs of FUCK.
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I'm curious for those who witnessed it, what was it like to hear about DLR leaving Van Halen, bringing Sammy onboard, you hear Why Can't This Be Love on the radio in February 1986, or pop in 5150 and hear "Hello Baaaaaby" for the first time. What was that like? Were you onboard with it, or did it take awhile to warm up to it?
The best word I can give you is "average". I had heard Sammy - loved Standing Hampton, still one of my favorite albums - and for me, being a DLR fan, he wasn't at that level as a FRONTMAN. For me, it was a curiosity at best. When I heard 5150 I thought "eh", and when I heard Eat 'Em And Smile I thought well, "eh plus one or two". It struck me almost immediately that this was the end of what I REALLY LOVED, and a path forward with what I kind of liked. I felt the same way when Fish left Marillion (almost exactly).
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I'm curious for those who witnessed it, what was it like to hear about DLR leaving Van Halen, bringing Sammy onboard, you hear Why Can't This Be Love on the radio in February 1986, or pop in 5150 and hear "Hello Baaaaaby" for the first time. What was that like? Were you onboard with it, or did it take awhile to warm up to it?
From a personal perspective, I thought 1984 sucked, so it didn't bother me that DLR left.
More generally, the different voice and the prominence of keyboards on 5150 really made VH feel like a completely different band. In southern California, the new band was pretty widely accepted, but it really was viewed as a different band, which is probably what let to the whole "Van Hagar" thing. If the sound had remained consistent, I don't think that would have happened.
It was surprising to me to find out MUCH later in life that most people across the nation hadn't heard of Sammy Hagar. He had been a radio darling in Seattle since his days in Montrose in the late 70s, and several of his solo hits had long been rock radio staples on our local station. (Heck, every song on side one of Standing Hampton was played AD NAUSEUM when it was released)
I knew Sammy Hagar as a solo artist as a result of MTV playing videos like Three Lock Box (rarely) and I Can't Drive 55 (heavily). There's Only One Way to Rock also got a good amount of radio play (can't remember if there was a video). I knew he had been in a band in the 70s, but as I sit here today, I couldn't name a single Montrose song and, if I've ever heard one, I can't recall it. Before 55 broke big, Hagar was very much a minor artist around these parts.
After I wrote the above, I looked at Wikipedia and was reminded that I've heard Bad Motor Scooter and Rocky Candy, both of which I can't stand. I'm pretty sure I've heard Maiden's version of I Got the Fire but not sure if I've ever heard Montrose's original.
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I never cared for Rock Candy, but I love both Bad Motor Scooter and Space Station # 5.
I actually really like In 'n' Out, such great guitar work. :metal
For me, Man On A Mission is the only mediocre track on an otherwise stellar album. OU812 isn't bad either but has a lot of just good solid songs, it lacks the highs of FUCK.
I think, for me , the flow of OU812 works in its favor, while Carnal Knowledge is a collection of songs that could have been rearranged and it wouldn't make much of a difference. And while the sound of Carnal Knowledge is really good, the lack of the brown sound and warmth overall makes for a less satisfying listen from start to finish than many other VH albums.
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OU812 is the one Hagar era album that actually reminds me of the Roth era. I find it incredible basic and honest. It has a loose fucking around feel to it.
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I like on XM radio, they combine Intruder/Pretty Woman into one song.
I only knew VH from the radio myself, and I always heard these songs together. I knew it was a cover and Roy Orbison's version and his didn't have the extended intro. I thought VH just tacked on their own instrumental intro. It wasn't till years later I found out it was its own song. They are so linked in my head I can't imagine not hearing them together.
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STUNNING, literally STUNNING that the two references to "Rock Candy" are that it sucks.
I'm very indifferent to early Sammy solo stuff (he became a legit artist, for me, on Standing Hampton) but my neighbor had a woody for Ronnie Montrose, so I heard those first two albums a lot, and wondered why Sam couldn't put something out with the timelessness of "Rock Candy". That's a killer riff, a killer drum pattern, and while the lyrics aren't anything special, Sammy delivers them with aplomb.
I have a version of Sam, Michael Anthony and Tommy Lee playing that live in the studio, and it's just... I get it, it's not "Smoke On The Water" but I'm surprised we went for "sucks".
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FYI, I didn't say it sucks; I said I never cared for it. :P
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Make that three that never cared for it :biggrin:
I really really like Sammy but I found his solo or older material that I've heard to be more misses than hits although some of the hits are really good. I have a couple of his greatest hits albums from a kid (they have almost completly different set of songs on them) and I find it to only be like 1/2 good so it never made me want to buy any of his albums. Even his work after Van Halen, it's very hit or miss.
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STUNNING, literally STUNNING that the two references to "Rock Candy" are that it sucks.
I'm very indifferent to early Sammy solo stuff (he became a legit artist, for me, on Standing Hampton) but my neighbor had a woody for Ronnie Montrose, so I heard those first two albums a lot, and wondered why Sam couldn't put something out with the timelessness of "Rock Candy". That's a killer riff, a killer drum pattern, and while the lyrics aren't anything special, Sammy delivers them with aplomb.
I have a version of Sam, Michael Anthony and Tommy Lee playing that live in the studio, and it's just... I get it, it's not "Smoke On The Water" but I'm surprised we went for "sucks".
Not a huge VH fan or of any of their side/solo projects. They've always just been decent fun rock but nothing more. But, I was curious and checked out Rock Candy. Definitely recognized it after a bit.
Not a bad song. A weird mix of Led Zeppelin and Def Leopard. I thought it was dumb but fun, much like most of VH or stuff. Dunno why people would think it sucks.
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What's wrong with fun?? :P
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What's wrong with fun?? :P
Nothing, clearly I enjoy yo mama.
But I like VH's hits. They, like a few other 80's bands I listen to are good for that silly good time, but since they never went beyond that (for me) I was never tempted to actually check them out in depth beyond passively. My point was, Rock Candy was no worse than any of the typical VH songs I heard. It was dumb, fun, had a cool riff, decent vocals, cool drum groove. I was just confused by VH fans would think it sucks.
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I find the song incredibly boring personally. Other than the lyrics, I don't find the song fun at all for me.
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STUNNING, literally STUNNING that the two references to "Rock Candy" are that it sucks.
I'm very indifferent to early Sammy solo stuff (he became a legit artist, for me, on Standing Hampton) but my neighbor had a woody for Ronnie Montrose, so I heard those first two albums a lot, and wondered why Sam couldn't put something out with the timelessness of "Rock Candy". That's a killer riff, a killer drum pattern, and while the lyrics aren't anything special, Sammy delivers them with aplomb.
I have a version of Sam, Michael Anthony and Tommy Lee playing that live in the studio, and it's just... I get it, it's not "Smoke On The Water" but I'm surprised we went for "sucks".
I'll preface my comments by saying that, for me, really good lyrics will not save a song that is musically bad, but really bad lyrics can kill a song that is good musically.
It's hard to speculate what I might think in an alternative universe, but RC is a song that is destroyed by dumb lyrics. "You're hard, sweet and sticky" is dumb enough on its own, but it's even dumber when you consider that it's a song ostensibly sung by a dude about a girl (or maybe it's not....). And the music isn't much to write home about. The tempo is slower than I generally like, and the guitar riff doesn't have the same sort of appeal as a song like Back in Black. The music isn't bad, but it's not great, and the lyrics kill any hope for the song.
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See, I find that line to be fun personally. But the slow pace of the song is what makes it so boring that the drums and guitar can't save it for me.
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Rock Candy’s guitar riff is so standard on the west coast that it has become more common in the “bar band repertoire” than even Smoke on the Water.
That is truly one of the greatest “riffs” I’ve ever heard in the history of classic rock.
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Not criticizing anyone at all (sorry Kev), I just thought it was more well-liked, is all.
As for me, I've written about this before: not all music, but some of it I like just BECAUSE it's mindless fun. There's nothing deep about the lyrics (ANY of Sammy's lyrics, to be honest, even the ones where he tries for something more substantive) but it's just... "fun" to me. I get it, taste, and I don't begrudge anyone their takes; most of them aren't wrong, they just don't matter to me.
One point though: I think Cram is spot on: it IS a "slow" sort of plodding song, but somehow Sammy transcends that and makes it groove. You hear some of the covers - UFO's is a good example - they don't overcome that and it's almost tedious. Actually two points: the lyrics ARE stupid, but again, Sammy seems to transcend. I don't know what it is about them, but some singers can just elevate shitty words (Roth is another one) whereas others' can't (Joe Lynn Turner, looking at you!). Listening to the Bullet Boys or (sorry Phil) UFO do it, it just sounds... creepy.
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All good, and I do not think it is a bad song by any means; it just never really grabbed me. I listened to it again yesterday to see if maybe it would and it still really didn't. I get the appeal, but sometimes a song just doesn't grab ya.
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Rock Candy is not a good song.
Phil Mogg does as well as he can with the lyrics. His style takes the edge of the ridiculousness of the lyrics.
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https://variety.com/2019/music/news/van-halen-michael-anthony-no-reunion-1203249956/ (https://variety.com/2019/music/news/van-halen-michael-anthony-no-reunion-1203249956/)
Got some details on the supposed Van Halen Summer Tour with Michael Anthony which sputtered out. Sounds typical of Van Halen.
Sammy is also making the rounds saying he never wants to do a reunion and is afraid to reach out to the brothers out of fear that they may think he's engineering a reunion. Sammy always says he never wants to do a reunion, but give it a few months and he'll want to be doing one as a way to "bury the hatchet". If the money were right, Sammy would do it. I've always liked his idea of splitting the eras up in one show--Dave does his stuff then Sammy comes out and does his. That would never work though.
I also heard a rumor that Eddie Trunk's brought up that Eddie is sick again, hence the sputtering of the tour and silence from Van Halen. Dave has said that he and the brothers are meeting soon.
At this point, I don't care anymore, Dave is awful nowadays while the band was on fire last tour I saw.
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Where there is smoke there is fire, there is no doubt there were some talks to do a stadium tour this summer but it obviously fell apart, the question is why. I heard Eddie Trunk talk about the possibility of Eddie being sick. Could be the case. That would have been awesome, I'd love to see them do one more tour at least and even better if it was a double set with each singer but that's wishful thinking.
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Unless the band is going to get together and make a new record, I don't see the point in doing any kind of reunion tour other than it being a total cash grab. The brothers hate both Roth and (for some inexplicable reason) Anthony, not to mention that Roth can't sing worth a darn anymore live. The band had a great run, but it is time to put them to rest.
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I never understood the whole last few tours being a way to make some more money to support Wolf. I remember Eddie talking about that quite a bit, that he was doing the tour for Wolf.
Don't the brothers hate Anthony because he went out and played some shows with Sammy after they split back in the 90s? Among probably other reasons
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Yes but MA asked if he could then got the blessing from Eddie.
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I just don't get it when it comes to Van Halen. I understand that Wolfgang left Mark Tremonti's solo band to do the Van Halen tour in 2015 and then he quietly officially left Tremonti. Then he's been on and off when it comes to do his solo album with very little updates in between. Now recently I heard he's doing studio work on drums for Sevendust's Clint Lowery's solo album. Then, not much concrete news on what Van Halen is up to nowadays.
So basically, Van Halen have done four years of absolutely nothing. Is that an accurate statement to make?
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I don't know anything about what Wolfie is up to.
I do get the feeling that the VH brothers, specifically Eddie, have these issues that just stem from who knows what. Howard Stern had The Circle (entire band) on for an interview and performance, hearing what Sammy and Michael had to say about Eddie just makes me feel like he's somewhere else in his mind. I don't get it, but it's above my head for sure and it seems above Sammy's head too. I think Sammy would definitely play with VH again if they came to their senses, obviously MA would he said so openly and even agreed with the initial idea (with Sammy's blessing too). It's just an odd situation with super egos.
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Don't disagree with the live comments, but I'd take another record from the Roth unit; that last one killed. I love it.
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DLR said he was catching up in person with the VH brothers this week , so make of that what you will. I find it hard to see anything happening with Sammy - I think the time has passed in more ways than one.
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Don't disagree with the live comments, but I'd take another record from the Roth unit; that last one killed. I love it.
Quoted (and bolded) for truth
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Don't disagree with the live comments, but I'd take another record from the Roth unit; that last one killed. I love it.
Quoted (and bolded) for truth
Seriously. It was easily their best album in at least 20 years.
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So you mean it was better then VH3 (1998 - not that difficult) and Balance (1995)? ;) Balance is a completely different beast, not sure if ADKOT is better.
But regardless of that, I was really surprised that they had such a great record in them, they should have taken the momentum and put out another disc one or two years later.
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Really hard to compare Balance to ADKOT, but I think if you had to compare two such different albums I would probably choose ADKOT. However, wasn't a large part of that album old music they had written? Do they have it in them to write a new album? If so I would welcome it for sure.
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Not the biggest VH fan, but I wanted to check out something from ADKOT since I never heard it, so I looked up Tattoo..
Yea, that was not a great song. Is there a better one to look for?
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Not the biggest VH fan, but I wanted to check out something from ADKOT since I never heard it, so I looked up Tattoo..
Pretty much the worst song on it......bad choice of single.
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Tattoo is by far the worst song on that record, so look for every other song. :D
I especially like She's The Woman, As Is, Honeybabysweetiedoll (stupid stupid song title, but that song rocks), The Trouble With Never, Outta Space, Big River, Beats Workin'.
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Really hard to compare Balance to ADKOT, but I think if you had to compare two such different albums I would probably choose ADKOT. However, wasn't a large part of that album old music they had written? Do they have it in them to write a new album? If so I would welcome it for sure.
It is rumored that Eddie has tapes with riffs and ideas for numerous records, surely they can resurrect some good songs again if they are not able to write new ones.
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Really hard to compare Balance to ADKOT, but I think if you had to compare two such different albums I would probably choose ADKOT. However, wasn't a large part of that album old music they had written? Do they have it in them to write a new album? If so I would welcome it for sure.
It is rumored that Eddie has tapes with riffs and ideas for numerous records, surely they can resurrect some good songs again if they are not able to write new ones.
Oh nice, didn't realize he had a huge archive.
Tattoo is by far the worst song on that record, so look for every other song. :D
I especially like She's The Woman, As Is, Honeybabysweetiedoll (stupid stupid song title, but that song rocks), The Trouble With Never, Outta Space, Big River, Beats Workin'.
Yup, Tattoo was the first single I think and it's the worst song on the album. I like China Town too, She's The Woman, The Trouble with Never.
But if you aren't the biggest VH fan, I'm not sure this album is going to change your mind since it's fairly similar to the older DLR albums
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So you mean it was better then VH3 (1998 - not that difficult) and Balance (1995)? ;) Balance is a completely different beast, not sure if ADKOT is better.
But regardless of that, I was really surprised that they had such a great record in them, they should have taken the momentum and put out another disc one or two years later.
I would go so far as to say that ADKOT is better than any of the Sammy records.
I rate the Sammy records as:
- For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
- Balance
- OU812
- 5150
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I can agree with your Sammy record ranking, but there's no way that ADKOT is better than F.U.C.K. I would put it maybe behind Balance.
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So you mean it was better then VH3 (1998 - not that difficult) and Balance (1995)? ;) Balance is a completely different beast, not sure if ADKOT is better.
But regardless of that, I was really surprised that they had such a great record in them, they should have taken the momentum and put out another disc one or two years later.
I would go so far as to say that ADKOT is better than any of the Sammy records.
I rate the Sammy records as:
- For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
- Balance
- OU812
- 5150
As an entire album, I would agree with this. Even the best Hagar albums are spotty. And even though Carnal Knowledge is my favorite, I would almost have to say 5150 is the most top to bottom solid Hagar album. Whereas most DLR albums have little or no skip tracks.
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Really hard to compare Balance to ADKOT, but I think if you had to compare two such different albums I would probably choose ADKOT. However, wasn't a large part of that album old music they had written? Do they have it in them to write a new album? If so I would welcome it for sure.
To that point (and this is just information, Cram, I'm not slamming you at all): "She's The Woman" was on the early demo tapes (I forget if it was the Gene Simmons demo or the Warner Bros. demo). Interestingly, Dave sang it in the original key, so there. There are a couple other songs/snippets that can be traced to those demos as well (there used to be an internet radio show, "The Used Bin", and one of the guys did a really nice A/B from the album and the demos, and it was illuminating. The idea that they are just "recycling" is not in my view, accurate). Having said that, EVERY Van Halen record - including Balance - to date has had some song/snippet from either Eddie's archive or from the demo tapes.
If you believe Ed, he spends a lot of time in his studio, recording a lot of it, and supposedly there are boxes and boxes of "tapes" of riffs, snippets, songs, etc. Not all of it is "Van Halen"; he's done some soundtrack work - Twister, Wild Life, a porno movie (there's a great video online of him in the studio playing this piece that was in that porno; it's both cool and creepy in a way) so it's all over the map.
I will say this: Eddie is, along with Angus Young and James Hetfield, the artist I want to hear a solo album from most. I'd love a CD of just Eddie following his muse.
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I didn't check out ADKOT at first because of how bad Tattoo was, but when I later heard it, I was pleasantly surprised at how good the rest of it was. The following are some of the strongest songs they ever did with Roth:
The Trouble with Never
Outta Space
Big River
And yeah, most of the songs from that record were based on demos back in the day they had never finished. Not sure I would have a lot of faith in them to write a new album that is good with all new songs since it has been over 20 years now since they've done that.
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Tattoo is by far the worst song on that record, so look for every other song. :D
I especially like She's The Woman, As Is, Honeybabysweetiedoll (stupid stupid song title, but that song rocks), The Trouble With Never, Outta Space, Big River, Beats Workin'.
When I heard Tattoo - it was a pre-album release - I was almost disgusted. I was so turned off and expecting the worst from the record. It's a shitty single, but it works like a charm on the record itself. Van Halen isn't really known as an "album band" - their songs lend themselves to radio play and "compilation" albums - but in that case, it's a matter of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. I do not skip Tattoo at all when I listen to the record. (And I LOVE that line in there: "Mouse-wife to Mom-shell in the time it took to get that new tattoo".) Which reminds me: as a whole, that is one of the strongest lyrical albums I have. I think Dave hit a grand slam lyrically on that record. It's still Van Halen; it's not "Crime and Punishment", but it's certainly a level and a half better than what people think of when they think "Van Halen party rock!".
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Really hard to compare Balance to ADKOT, but I think if you had to compare two such different albums I would probably choose ADKOT. However, wasn't a large part of that album old music they had written? Do they have it in them to write a new album? If so I would welcome it for sure.
To that point (and this is just information, Cram, I'm not slamming you at all): "She's The Woman" was on the early demo tapes (I forget if it was the Gene Simmons demo or the Warner Bros. demo). Interestingly, Dave sang it in the original key, so there. There are a couple other songs/snippets that can be traced to those demos as well (there used to be an internet radio show, "The Used Bin", and one of the guys did a really nice A/B from the album and the demos, and it was illuminating. The idea that they are just "recycling" is not in my view, accurate). Having said that, EVERY Van Halen record - including Balance - to date has had some song/snippet from either Eddie's archive or from the demo tapes.
If you believe Ed, he spends a lot of time in his studio, recording a lot of it, and supposedly there are boxes and boxes of "tapes" of riffs, snippets, songs, etc. Not all of it is "Van Halen"; he's done some soundtrack work - Twister, Wild Life, a porno movie (there's a great video online of him in the studio playing this piece that was in that porno; it's both cool and creepy in a way) so it's all over the map.
I will say this: Eddie is, along with Angus Young and James Hetfield, the artist I want to hear a solo album from most. I'd love a CD of just Eddie following his muse.
I was unaware of Eddie's Archive. But this work I'm guessing may or may not make sense to use with DLR I'd imagine then.
Also, I would rate ADKOT over Balance and OU812 but not over 5150 and F.U.C.K.
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I didn't check out ADKOT at first because of how bad Tattoo was, but when I later heard it, I was pleasantly surprised at how good the rest of it was. The following are some of the strongest songs they ever did with Roth:
The Trouble with Never
Outta Space
Big River
And yeah, most of the songs from that record were based on demos back in the day they had never finished. Not sure I would have a lot of faith in them to write a new album that is good with all new songs since it has been over 20 years now since they've done that.
I'm not willing to die on this hill, but it's my understanding that it's not "most"; it's less than half. There WAS new material written for that record. It's not all recycled. I'll go back and see if I can find the radio show that has the A/B.
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Yeah, I didn’t think it was “most” either.
That album sure was a pleasant surprise.
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Was Tattoo the only official video released from it?
Can someone suggest a specific song to check out first? "any of them" isn't helpful.
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Honeybabysweetiedoll.
I saw that title and rolled my eyes. But that song kicks ass and would be right at home in the classic era.
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Was Tattoo the only official video released from it?
Nope, here is the official video for Shes the Woman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj3ul98CnRg)
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TAC has a good suggestion, and for me, the best song is "Blood And Fire"; it's not exactly "vintage VH", but it shows a little of the progress from the Sammy era.
Plus, when Dave does his little breakdown and goes "Told ya I was comin' back... Say you missed me... Say it like ya mean it!" then Eddie rips off one of the better solos on the record, you know they're sort of firing on all cylinders and doing more than just phoning it in.
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I was disappointed to say the least when I first heard Tattoo on the radio. But shortly after it was released, maybe a week or so, I watched a band play a cover of Tattoo on youtube. After watching the cover, I thought the song was ok/decent and was willing to give it a chance. But after I heard the other kick ass 12 songs on ADKOT, I wasn't too concerned with the quality of Tattoo anymore lol.
Fantastic album :metal
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Honeybabysweetiedoll.
I saw that title and rolled my eyes. But that song kicks ass and would be right at home in the classic era.
It was cool. Sounded way more modern than I expected (for the time at least).
I guess I just don't like DLR beyond a few of their hit songs.
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The 25th marked the release day anniversary of OU812. I haven't listened to it in forever. Have it on now. Pretty solid, keyboards aside. :lol
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I didn't check out ADKOT at first because of how bad Tattoo was, but when I later heard it, I was pleasantly surprised at how good the rest of it was. The following are some of the strongest songs they ever did with Roth:
The Trouble with Never
Outta Space
Big River
And yeah, most of the songs from that record were based on demos back in the day they had never finished. Not sure I would have a lot of faith in them to write a new album that is good with all new songs since it has been over 20 years now since they've done that.
I'm not willing to die on this hill, but it's my understanding that it's not "most"; it's less than half. There WAS new material written for that record. It's not all recycled. I'll go back and see if I can find the radio show that has the A/B.
Right, that is why I said most (not all) were based (meaning not totally the same as) on demos back in the day. ;)
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I didn't check out ADKOT at first because of how bad Tattoo was, but when I later heard it, I was pleasantly surprised at how good the rest of it was. The following are some of the strongest songs they ever did with Roth:
The Trouble with Never
Outta Space
Big River
And yeah, most of the songs from that record were based on demos back in the day they had never finished. Not sure I would have a lot of faith in them to write a new album that is good with all new songs since it has been over 20 years now since they've done that.
I'm not willing to die on this hill, but it's my understanding that it's not "most"; it's less than half. There WAS new material written for that record. It's not all recycled. I'll go back and see if I can find the radio show that has the A/B.
Right, that is why I said most (not all) were based (meaning not totally the same as) on demos back in the day. ;)
I'm still looking for the tape of that radio show, but I think they documented that parts of FOUR songs came from the original demos.