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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Ħ on October 13, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
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I feel like SC is starting to age postively for the community, but BCSL is not. Where are we at now? How do they compare?
To me, they both have some really solid parts. I think that BCSL definitely has better individual moments than SC (end of TCOT, intro to ANTR, Beautiful Agony, JP solo in TSF) but all of BCSL's songs have some issues, such as being too long or including pointless instrumental duels. SC, on the other hand, has some solid, solid songs that I can't find issues with (ITPOE, CM, Forsaken).
Right now, I'm voting "tied" because I really can't decide.
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BCSL by a considerable margin.
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BCSL by a considerable margin.
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SC. Minus the verses in Constant Motion.
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My vote goes for BC&SL. Both albums are not perfect, but SC is less perfect... it has some great moments like JP solo in TMOLS, but BC&SL is just better.
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Looks like people still really hate SC! :lol
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BC&SL for me, SC has to many weak points for me, still good album but BC&SC feels much more solid to me.
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BC&SL easily.
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I've always preferred Systematic Chaos.
Both have 2 awesome songs - ITPOE (counting it as 1) & TMOLS on Systematic Chaos and ANTR & TCOT on Black Clouds. I prefer ITPOE to TCOT and TMOLS to ANTR.
Plus, aside from those 2 songs on Black Clouds, I find the rest of the album pretty weak except parts of TSF. The only song I really dislike on SC is Repentance.
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BCaSL. SC is very near the bottom of my DT list.
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Systematic Chaos is the worst DT album. BC&SL is in the top 5. BC&SL.
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Both are nowhere near their best, but definitely BCSL.
Inb4 black_floyd rages
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Black Clouds, though my opinion of the album has dropped significantly over time. It's got parts of songs that are good, like the first half of ANTR and the beginning/ending of TBOT, and it's got two very high quality songs: TCOT and TSF. A Rite of Passage and Wither aren't all too bad, either.
Systematic Chaos may have ITPOE, Repentance, and The Dark Eternal Night, but the only one of those that beats the high points of BC&SL is ITPOE, and the low points of SC are almost as bad as FII's lows.
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Systematic Chaos. Sure Black Clouds has The Count and The Shattered Fortress, but Systematic Chaos' only major flaw is PoW. Both are still bottom feeders.
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I feel like SC is starting to age postively for the community, but BCSL is not. Where are we at now? How do they compare?
I don't see that at all. It seems like the vast majority still considers it one of their two or three least best albums, and definitely one of the two least best albums of the Rudess era.
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I feel like SC is starting to age postively for the community, but BCSL is not. Where are we at now? How do they compare?
I don't see that at all. It seems like the vast majority still considers it one of their two or three least best albums, and definitely one of the two least best albums of the Rudess era.
It's okay to use the word "worst".
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Unless it doesn't apply.
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Unless it doesn't apply.
It does. "Least best" is what "worst" means. Meanwhile, "least best" is itself a rather nonsensical (and utterly ungrammatical) contradiction.
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Unless it doesn't apply.
It does. "Least best" is what "worst" means.
Technically true, but 'worst' has a connotation of 'bad'. If a person likes all the DT albums, they might want to avoid that negative connotation. The real question is, why do you care?
Anyway, I'm actually going with Systematic Chaos on this one. For a long time I would have said BC&SL, but SC has been growing on me lately. Plus, BC&SL has two of the least best (;)) Dream Theater songs.
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Worst implies bad; least best implies that something is still good, but simply not as good as everything else. In short, it sounds nicer. :)
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BC&SL - It gets more play from me than SC does lately, despite having AROP.
I will say, though, that SC has aged well with me, but I still prefer BC&SL over it.
-Marc.
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Systematic Chaos I'm in the minority its a landslide and easy choice for me.
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Systematic Chaos I'm in the minority its a landslide and easy choice for me.
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SC is easily my least favorite. BCSL might be my 9th
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I don't really care for either of them, so its a deadlock.
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Tough call for me. They both have their incredible moments, and they both have their weaker points. SC has CM and TDEN which are both top songs for me, but BCASL has ANTR and TCOT which are also top songs.
I think I'll vote with SC for consistency though. I like more songs on SC than from BCASL.
Both are underrated though, especially SC. Of course I mean here. They seem to be quite liked by the general fanbase when you see them live. :tup
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Systematic Chaos I'm in the minority its a landslide and easy choice for me.
Me too. I love ITPOE 1 & 2, Forsaken, TMOLS and POW. On BC&SL I love... well, Wither.
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BCSL
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SYSTEMATIC CHAOS BY FAR . it is a Great Album . it is definetly not their worst album .
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Tough call for me. They both have their incredible moments, and they both have their weaker points. SC has CM and TDEN which are both top songs for me
lol
I'm just gonna stop arguing with you about anything DT related because that sentence alone proves there will never be any common ground for agreement.
Somehow, though, I'm also voting them as a tie. For completely different reasons.
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Disc 2 of "The Mike Portnoy Years"
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Tough call for me. They both have their incredible moments, and they both have their weaker points. SC has CM and TDEN which are both top songs for me
lol
I'm just gonna stop arguing with you about anything DT related because that sentence alone proves there will never be any common ground for agreement.
What a huge loss. I really love having intelligent discussions with people who dismiss opinions they don't understand with "lol". :yeahright
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Black Clouds by a mile. Systematic Chaos is my least favorite Dream Theater album.
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BC&SL easily.
Yeah. SC is 2nd to last on my ranking, while BCSL is somwhere in the middle.
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What a huge loss. I really love having intelligent discussions with people who dismiss opinions they don't understand with "lol". :yeahright
I'm joking. God damn man.
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Systematic Chaos
I really like both, though.
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What a huge loss. I really love having intelligent discussions with people who dismiss opinions they don't understand with "lol". :yeahright
I'm joking. God damn man.
Yeah, I know. I half considered putting a joking emoticon, but wasn't in the mood. My bad. But I shall give you a love heart to balance it out and make us friends. :heart
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::peeks around the corner to make sure Jamesman isn't looking::
::hugs::
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Both albums are in the less good half of DT's discography IMO but BC&SL wins
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BCSL by a considerable margin.
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I listened to Systematic Chaos minus Prophets Of Fail this morning. Twas Good.
I think I'll listen to The Shattered Fortress and The Count Of Tuscany tonight.
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Not really a big fan of either of these albums. I think I could probably combine them both to make one good 70 minute CD.
However, I voted for BC&SL
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Not really a big fan of either of these albums. I think I could probably combine them both to make one good 70 minute CD.
However, I voted for BC&SL
Totally done this before...
1. In The Presence Of Enemies (25:16)
2. A Nightmare To Remember (16:10)
3. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (14:57)
4. The Count Of Tuscany (19:16)
Total - 75:39
-Marc.
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BC&SL. Systematic Chaos is my least favorite DT album. It's one of the few that has regressed in how much I like it since it came out.
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I have to say tied. They're almost at the bottom of my list, just above WDADU.
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Black Clouds is their 3rd best album, whereas Systematic Chaos is their 5th.
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SC, it's one of my favorite albums, I love it from start to finish.
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SC, it's one of my favorite albums, I love it from start to finish.
Really? You really prefer SC more than Images or Awake? I'm just curious why, and not attacking You ;) I totally respect Your opinion.
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Systematic Chaos big time. I loved it the moment I heard it, and I've been lukewarm about BCSL during its entire existence.
No contest.
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SC, it's one of my favorite albums, I love it from start to finish.
Really? You really prefer SC more than Images or Awake? I'm just curious why, and not attacking You ;) I totally respect Your opinion.
Well, i certainly prefer SC over Awake and don't get me wrong i love awake (as i love almost every song DT has released). But SC does more for me than Awake, maybe it's because i love its metal feel and energy, TMOLS and ITPOE give me chills every time. Awake it's great, it's just that i can't get into some songs often (6:00, LSoaD, Scarred) other than that it's great.
Now I&W is another story... I love it from start to finish. So, my favorite albums are: I&W, SFAM, SDOIT and SC. Besides SC is the album that got me into DT.
I know I'm in the minority with SC but hey, I love the album :)
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BCSL by a considerable margin.
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BCSL by a considerable margin.