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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: SnakeEyes on October 02, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down >>>>>>>> You Not Me
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Uh, not quite.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down >>>>>>>> You Not Me
Oh yes. BMUBMD is so jammable, I can't get enough of it.
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nope
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BMUBMD is much, much better than YNM.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down is in at least the top 15 DT songs for me, so i disagree there, when BMUBMD came on at the concert I was ecstatic, such an awesome tune to get into at the concert, it was either my favourite at the show or tied for my favourite at the show with Bridges in the Sky And Breaking All Illusions
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It's all opinion. You guys aren't wrong, I'm not wrong. It's all opinion.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
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And what exactly makes it bad? It not being prog? It being an actual [gasp] straightforward song? And worse, having a CATCHY CHORUS?! God forbid, BURN IT ON A STAKE.
Either elaborate and explain what supposedly makes it so bad (as I know what's the common opinion on You Not Me), or think more before creating a thread like this because it's lame to say the least. It's one of the best single-like songs they've ever written, with some really nice riffs, amazing vocals, and a great dramatic atmosphere (made mostly by the string effects etc.).
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Either elaborate and explain what supposedly makes it so bad (as I know what's the common opinion on You Not Me), or think more before creating a thread like this because it's lame to say the least. It's one of the best single-like songs they've ever written, with some really nice riffs, amazing vocals, and a great dramatic atmosphere (made mostly by the string effects etc.).
LOL .... stop it. Read my last post - I edited it.
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Ok... I disagree entirely but now it's actually an opinion and not song-bashing. Would have been better if you simply put than in the OP.
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BMUBMD is the weakest song on ADTOE, but it's still alot better than You Not Me.
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Liberation:
True. I apologize. I will add it to the original post. I actually thought a lot of people agreed with me, so I didn't feel the need to explain a whole lot. But, I guess I was wrong. :lol
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I don't see why "straightforward and not a 10 minute progfest" seems to automatically imply weak. I like the song personally.
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Liberation:
True. I apologize. I will add it to the original post. I actually thought a lot of people agreed with me, so I didn't feel the need to explain a whole lot. But, I guess I was wrong. :lol
Fine :) Also sorry for exploding a little bit but I'm just over-sensitive when it comes to people going Rambo on not very popular songs.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down is utterly fantastic. It worked awesome live and it is definitely in the third spot on A Dramatic Turn of Events.
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No problem, Liberation, I deserved it. :)
I don't see why "straightforward and not a 10 minute progfest" seems to automatically imply weak. I like the song personally.
You must have missed the post I made about "Beneath the Surface" and "Far from Heaven" - arguably the two "most straightforward" songs - being the two best songs on the album. :lol
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I love it. I especially love the malicious pre-chorus. It's a fun song and probably isn't meant to be any more.
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I consider BMUBMD one of the strongest songs on the album. It rocks.
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When I first put the album on, and Build Me Up, Break Me Down came on, I was sitting there thinking :metal this albums gonna be sick. And it is.
It reminds me of a JLB song that he would put on one of his solo albums, and I enjoy Elements of Persuasion and Static Impulse. So I love the song.
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me = PWNED
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No problem, Liberation, I deserved it. :)
I don't see why "straightforward and not a 10 minute progfest" seems to automatically imply weak. I like the song personally.
You must have missed the post I made about "Beneath the Surface" and "Far from Heaven" - arguably the two "most straightforward" songs - being the two best songs on the album. :lol
Hmmm... true you did make that post... and those are two great songs indeed. So, I rescind that comment from your direction... but it still points to other people... *serious glare*
I have no idea what any of that means...
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Fuck, no.
Build Me Up, Break me Down is amazing. You not Me sucks.
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Since I am getting my ass kicked in this thread ... :lol .... I will kindly listen to "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" more times to see if maybe I am missing something.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down is one of the most unique songs on the album. Isn't this like, the first time they've ever used electric drums? It's got a very modern tone to it. I love it. Can't wait to hear it live.
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No way. I like You Not Me, but I know what you're suggesting in this comparison and no- not at all. I'm seeing Dream Theater in 4 days and this will be me in BMU,BMD:
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
What a fucking badass chorus. And the strings are brilliant. Great chill-for-DT tune.
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Since I am getting my ass kicked in this thread ... :lol .... I will kindly listen to "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" more times to see if maybe I am missing something.
I mean, you don't have to love it, and I definitely don't think it compares to, say, BAI, BiTS, etc, but it's almost kind of apples to oranges. They were definitely going for something different, maybe almost Endless Sacrifice-esque: a bit more modern metal feel.
The biggest difference between BMUBMD and You Not Me is that they actually sound like they're having fun in BMUBMD.
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I love this song. I always find myself coming back to it
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ddtonfire, true, it does appear as if they're having fun.
Oh and....
<------- 2112, BITCHES :lol
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nope
BMUBMD is much, much better than YNM.
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Could be the best on the album. Probably the best "short" song since These Walls, really.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down >>>>>>>> You Not Me
Uh, not quite.
You're right. He needed way more ">>>>>>>>>>" to express how good BMUBMD is.
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I really don't know what's to "get" about the song. It's just a straight forward SONG. I found it a bit uninteresting on the first few listens, but it really grew on my to the point I was listening to it constantly and loved it. The riff is really cool once it kicks in, and I like the vocal style. And those screams are awesome (even if they're a tad pitchy).
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
:'(
I respectfully disagree. You Not Me is the only DT song that I just can't listen to.
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It's one of the best songs on the album, I think. o_O
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Now there's where I draw the line. It's a great song, but I think the album is filled with vastly superior material. I am seriously proud of the DT guys for putting out a truly magnificent release.
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BMUBMD is like my 3rd favorite from the album. I think it's DT's best "radio friendly song" in a while. Maybe even better than These Walls. Also, I don't really have a problem with YNM except the chorus. I actually really enjoy YOM though.
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Weird as it is, I prefer YNM to YOM.
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the intro sounds like simple plan song. LOL :facepalm:
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Weird as it is, I prefer YNM to YOM.
That's not weird. I didn't see YOM as any better. I'd have to listen back, but they're probably about equal to me.
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You Or Me is still pretty bad.
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I love Build Me Up, Break Me Down, but I think it's kind of ironic that in spite its title, this song doesn't have much of a Build Up, or much of a Break Down... And most of all, it doesn't have Me!
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Weird as it is, I prefer YNM to YOM.
That's not weird. I didn't see YOM as any better. I'd have to listen back, but they're probably about equal to me.
The primary difference is in the choruses; the songs are basically equivalent with that exception.
To me, the difference is pretty glaring. You Or Me's chorus is groovy and cool; You Not Me's chorus is self-parodying, out of place, and a little nonsensical. It sounds like it was written by an outside writer just for the sake of having a catchy hook because it was.
I wish You Or Me were included on FII rather than You Not Me; the album would have aged astronomically better. I can see it now: a 10-minute live version of You Or Me with an extended instrumental jam.
EDIT: On the topic of the thread, BMU BMD is similar to You Not Me in that both are pretty standard radio rockers. That's really the only similarity they share, and BMUBMD is far better than its FII counterpart.
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I would rather say that:
"Build Me Up, Break Me Down" is the "Caught In A Web" of ADTOE ;) because it's a very good, solid song.
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BMU BMD
Probably the best "short" song since These Walls, really.
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
i completely agree with you. i suspect it was the label's idea to add this track to balance the album off. it's more similar in kind and structure to the type of songs has placed on the past couple albums.
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
i completely agree with you. i suspect it was the label's idea to add this track to balance the album off. it's more similar in kind and structure to the type of songs has placed on the past couple albums.
I doubt that. DT has had a single for almost every album
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BMUBMD is good, and I also like You Not Me more than most people do.
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
i completely agree with you. i suspect it was the label's idea to add this track to balance the album off. it's more similar in kind and structure to the type of songs has placed on the past couple albums.
I doubt that. DT has had a single for almost every album
build me up isn't the single on the album though
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
God in heaven help me! Why did I click on this thread!? It burns! IT BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNS!!!
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
i completely agree with you. i suspect it was the label's idea to add this track to balance the album off. it's more similar in kind and structure to the type of songs has placed on the past couple albums.
I doubt that. DT has had a single for almost every album
build me up isn't the single on the album though
I meant more that they always have at least one song written that would be something you could hear on the radio.
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Top 3 on the album for me. I really like the intro too, but I guess a few tr00 prawg fans hate anything with electronic drum sounds (not talking about anyone in particular, so assume it's not you)
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BMUBMD is my least favorite song on the new album but I like it nonetheless. Can't say the same for YNM.
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It's one of the best songs on the album and it fits perfectly. I love it.
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I feel like it's out of place between On the Backs of Angels and Lost not forgotten. On the Backs of Angels says "DT are back..." and Lost not forgotten says "..and they're proggier than ever". Build me up, brake me down sounds like a Nu-Metal homage, the same way songs like I walk besides you or Solitary Shell are homages. Placing it between the album opener and the album's first tour de force song puts me off.
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Lets change the title to ''Build me up, break me down appreciation thread'' ;D :metal
I personally love it, certainly one of my favorite radio friendly songs of theirs. The screams are so much fun, chorus is infectious, the riffs rock, and that little unison - :hefdaddy
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I love BMUBMD as well. I actually think the electronic drums sound really good, and I don't see why it would be a "threat" to the progressiveness of DT. To me, being progressive means to make progress and move forward in the way you do things and not being afraid to experiment with different sounds. For example Jordan going wild with his iPad apps or MM adding electronic drums.
On a personal note, I also find it interesting when people who claim to be fans of progressive music bitch about their favorite progressive bands adding "modern" instrumentation and make songs that you don't need to pay full attention to in order to enjoy (what some might call radio friendly). I'm not referring directly to anything I've read here. It's more from discussions I've had with other fans of progressive music.
Funnily enough, it's almost more progressive for DT to make a 3-minute pop song, an area of music that they haven't really explored, than a 3-minute insane instrumental section, which they have done a lot. And yes, feel free to throw shit at me for saying that :yarr
Sorry for going a little off topic. I'll just end with saying that 4.00-4.20 in BMUBMD sounds like Dream Theater marrying Rammstein :metal
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Half time riff near the end.
All I'm saying.
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Huh. I noticed there were a lot of people in bosk1's ADToE vs. IW song by song thread who put Build Me Up, Break Me Down as their least favorite track off of those two albums, so I admit that I had the same thought as the OP here, that it was getting the You Not Me reception from fans.
I quite like BMU/BMD, so I was disappointed by that. I'd hate it if they did a whole album that sounded like that, but one song? Love it. It's a nice change of pace, and I like the groove.
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I think the song is pretty boring, I think JP could have done much better on the chorus riff, the outro may be the best one in the album though. BMU, BMD is still a bit better than YNM, but I get the comparison in that its a radio friendly song and the second track in the album.
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It reminds me very much of Rammstein when the vocals aren't there. It's a nice heavy song that kind of feels out of place on an album full of proggy goodness, but I like it nonetheless.
And the string outro is fucking sweet.
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I agree with Snake Eyes as to the relation of BMUBMD to the album. I think it is the YNM of ADTOE, in that it is easily and without question the worst song on the album, IMHO. In fact, I am really surprised that so many of you like it so much.
Having said all that, it's a better song than YNM by a wide margin. But it is still 9th out of 9. And I totally get where he's coming from. On an album full of interesting music, there isn't much that is all that interesting about this song. That doesn't make it bad necessarily, but it is kind of non-relevant for me. Kind of like Forsaken. There is nothing DT about that song, either.
Opinions lol
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This
Build Me Up, Break Me Down >>>>>>>> You Not Me
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I agree with Snake Eyes as to the relation of BMUBMD to the album. I think it is the YNM of ADTOE, in that it is easily and without question the worst song on the album, IMHO. In fact, I am really surprised that so many of you like it so much.
Having said all that, it's a better song than YNM by a wide margin. But it is still 9th out of 9. And I totally get where he's coming from. On an album full of interesting music, there isn't much that is all that interesting about this song. That doesn't make it bad necessarily, but it is kind of non-relevant for me. Kind of like Forsaken. There is nothing DT about that song, either.
Opinions lol
It's not "easily and without question the worst". It has the same rights as every other song on the album, and it's not any less DT. That they explore new territory (which is always a good thing) doesn't mean it's not DT - and unlike A Rite of Passage, which was a cool but rather predictable and not very original heavy/prog metal song, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is quite unique and remarkable.
And it is a much more straightforward song than most on the album because it doesn't contain any technical/solo parts, but it's in no way simplistic or uninteresting. There's a LOT of awesome detail in the song and they clearly put far more effort into it than "let's just make a modern metal single".
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It's not "easily and without question the worst".
Thanks for not reading the very next thing I posted, "IMHO."
It has the same rights as every other song on the album
I have no idea what this means.
and it's not any less DT.
It is to me. There is nothing distinctively DT about it. It is a song (again, like I mentioned, like Forsaken) that could have been done by anyone. Specifically, this song sounds like it could have been on one of JLB's last two solo albums. Both of which I love, but if I want to hear that, I will listen to them. When I want DT, I want something different.
That they explore new territory (which is always a good thing) doesn't mean it's not DT - and unlike A Rite of Passage, which was a cool but rather predictable and not very original heavy/prog metal song, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is quite unique and remarkable.
I see nothing unique or remarkable, and I see no new territory.
And it is a much more straightforward song than most on the album because it doesn't contain any technical/solo parts, but it's in no way simplistic or uninteresting. There's a LOT of awesome detail in the song and they clearly put far more effort into it than "let's just make a modern metal single".
I didn't say it was simplistic and there was no detail, and I didn't accuse them of putting no effort into it or accusing them of trying to make a modern metal single. What are you talking about? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you working so hard to debate me on this?
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I feel like it's out of place between On the Backs of Angels and Lost not forgotten. On the Backs of Angels says "DT are back..." and Lost not forgotten says "..and they're proggier than ever". Build me up, brake me down sounds like a Nu-Metal homage, the same way songs like I walk besides you or Solitary Shell are homages. Placing it between the album opener and the album's first tour de force song puts me off.
This I agree with. While even this song is growing on me, it doesn't really help the flow of the album. It feels like it was placed there because someone decided the second track had to be "kikass brootal", which sort of interrupts the whole epic proggy feel of things.
But it's NOT as bad as YNM.
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It's not "easily and without question the worst".
Thanks for not reading the very next thing I posted, "IMHO."
It has the same rights as every other song on the album
I have no idea what this means.
and it's not any less DT.
It is to me. There is nothing distinctively DT about it. It is a song (again, like I mentioned, like Forsaken) that could have been done by anyone. Specifically, this song sounds like it could have been on one of JLB's last two solo albums. Both of which I love, but if I want to hear that, I will listen to them. When I want DT, I want something different.
That they explore new territory (which is always a good thing) doesn't mean it's not DT - and unlike A Rite of Passage, which was a cool but rather predictable and not very original heavy/prog metal song, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is quite unique and remarkable.
I see nothing unique or remarkable, and I see no new territory.
And it is a much more straightforward song than most on the album because it doesn't contain any technical/solo parts, but it's in no way simplistic or uninteresting. There's a LOT of awesome detail in the song and they clearly put far more effort into it than "let's just make a modern metal single".
I didn't say it was simplistic and there was no detail, and I didn't accuse them of putting no effort into it or accusing them of trying to make a modern metal single. What are you talking about? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you working so hard to debate me on this?
I tried my best to write a nice post but if you're just getting aggressive on me for no apparent reason, I give up already at this point.
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I don't get the hate with YNM. :huh:
I get the lyrics are kinda meh, but the song is pretty damn good.
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It's not "easily and without question the worst".
Thanks for not reading the very next thing I posted, "IMHO."
It has the same rights as every other song on the album
I have no idea what this means.
and it's not any less DT.
It is to me. There is nothing distinctively DT about it. It is a song (again, like I mentioned, like Forsaken) that could have been done by anyone. Specifically, this song sounds like it could have been on one of JLB's last two solo albums. Both of which I love, but if I want to hear that, I will listen to them. When I want DT, I want something different.
That they explore new territory (which is always a good thing) doesn't mean it's not DT - and unlike A Rite of Passage, which was a cool but rather predictable and not very original heavy/prog metal song, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is quite unique and remarkable.
I see nothing unique or remarkable, and I see no new territory.
And it is a much more straightforward song than most on the album because it doesn't contain any technical/solo parts, but it's in no way simplistic or uninteresting. There's a LOT of awesome detail in the song and they clearly put far more effort into it than "let's just make a modern metal single".
I didn't say it was simplistic and there was no detail, and I didn't accuse them of putting no effort into it or accusing them of trying to make a modern metal single. What are you talking about? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you working so hard to debate me on this?
I tried my best to write a nice post but if you're just getting aggressive on me for no apparent reason, I give up already at this point.
??? I wasn't being aggressive. I was attempting to discuss this with you, since you apparently wanted to discuss it with me.
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You Not Me is much better. BMUBMD sometimes makes me feel like I'm listening to some Linking Park song.
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BMUBMD sounds a bit like a Static Impulse song that's been DT'd. Its much much better than YNM.
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Exactly..so out of place on this album.
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Well, I don't see it. I don't hear it either. It was the first song on the album that got me, chorus is catchy (like Caught in a Web, as I've seen someone mention) riff is great, with a little pinch harmonic it could be right off of ToT (like INToG's main riff), outro is as disturbing in a creepy way, as repentance's violin arrangements are in a dark way, the screams could be right off of SC or even BC&SL, really.
I can't see what makes this song filler, or even un-DT'ish, apart from a sort of light DTF indoctrination.
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Seems I'm one of the few around here that actually agree. While I don't think it's a bad song and like it a lot more than "You not me" I'm just not excited about it all. It's catchy, yes, and I like the screams, but apart from that I don't think it's a very interesting song. In my opinion it is by far the weakest song of the CD. But as it's still okay-ish, that's a good thing. ;)
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To me it seems more like the Caught in a Web of ADTOE. I like it a lot. I think it's the best straight forward metal track since CIAW. Better than something like A Rite of Passage, Forsaken, or Constant Motion as far as short DT tracks go. Don't get the hate for this song, melodies are cool, the keys are awesome.
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BMU BMD is better than YNM, but just a bit. I rank it as the second to last song in the album. So yeah, it probably is the YNM of ADTOE.
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String outro is fucking AWESOME. Sounds like it should be on the soundtrack to the first Max Payne
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In fact, I think I like "You Not Me" more.
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I just think it's a really pointless song. Musically, it goes nowhere. Melodically, it's not interesting at all. The instrumental parts don't add anything to the song. The riffs are boring.... the rest of the songs are genius and this song doesn't deserve to be on the same album. It sounds like a Train of Thought demo that didn't make it or something. I really hate it. But, it's all opinion, like I said.
You dont think it has an awesome chorus?
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BMUBMD sounds a bit like a Static Impulse song that's been DT'd. Its much much better than YNM.
I do believe that there is a contingent of DT fans who really wanted a Solo JLB-style track on a DT album, and this is what they got.
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BMUBMD sounds a bit like a Static Impulse song that's been DT'd. Its much much better than YNM.
I do believe that there is a contingent of DT fans who really wanted a Solo JLB-style track on a DT album, and this is what they got.
I've never gathered that. The only thing I've seen along those lines is that many fans wanted the vocals on the DT album to be more like they are on JLB's solo albums. And that's what they got.
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The only thing I've seen along those lines is that many fans wanted the vocals on the DT album to be more like they are on JLB's solo albums. And that's what they got.
I don't see how the chorus of Forsaken is any different to the BMUBMD chorus. Same style and delivery.
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The only thing I've seen along those lines is that many fans wanted the vocals on the DT album to be more like they are on JLB's solo albums. And that's what they got.
I don't see how the chorus of Forsaken is any different to the BMUBMD chorus. Same style and delivery.
I meant the recording/production of the vocals.
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I don't really see the You Not Me comparison, but I'm not a big fan of this song, either.
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I don't really see the You Not Me comparison, but I'm not a big fan of this song, either.
That's the comparison.
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So 'You Not Me' is just a new term for 'something I don't like'?
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So 'You Not Me' is just a new term for 'something I don't like'?
What do you mean "new"?
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I don't see how the chorus of Forsaken is any different to the BMUBMD chorus.
It's not as amazing as BMUBMD chorus. :metal
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YNM is better. YNM is not a bad song imo, it has a good solo too - it gets way too much hate.
BMUBMD is slightly worse.
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It's not "easily and without question the worst".
Thanks for not reading the very next thing I posted, "IMHO."
It has the same rights as every other song on the album
I have no idea what this means.
and it's not any less DT.
It is to me. There is nothing distinctively DT about it. It is a song (again, like I mentioned, like Forsaken) that could have been done by anyone. Specifically, this song sounds like it could have been on one of JLB's last two solo albums. Both of which I love, but if I want to hear that, I will listen to them. When I want DT, I want something different.
That they explore new territory (which is always a good thing) doesn't mean it's not DT - and unlike A Rite of Passage, which was a cool but rather predictable and not very original heavy/prog metal song, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is quite unique and remarkable.
I see nothing unique or remarkable, and I see no new territory.
And it is a much more straightforward song than most on the album because it doesn't contain any technical/solo parts, but it's in no way simplistic or uninteresting. There's a LOT of awesome detail in the song and they clearly put far more effort into it than "let's just make a modern metal single".
I didn't say it was simplistic and there was no detail, and I didn't accuse them of putting no effort into it or accusing them of trying to make a modern metal single. What are you talking about? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you working so hard to debate me on this?
I tried my best to write a nice post but if you're just getting aggressive on me for no apparent reason, I give up already at this point.
??? I wasn't being aggressive. I was attempting to discuss this with you, since you apparently wanted to discuss it with me.
Well, yes I wanted to, and I had tried to make that post nice and more or less diplomatic. And your post, especially the last part, sounds like if I offended you or something. I'm just confused a bit because I hadn't meant anything bad.
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I can sorta see this. I like MBU, BMD, but it is definitely one of the two least best songs from the record.
In fact, ADTOE is sort of like Falling into Infinity in that the first two songs are not strong at all, but once track 3 kicks in, the album really takes off from that point on until the end (although FII's highs are higher and ADTOE's lows from tracks 3 on are higher).
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I'm the only person that is going to say this and totally mean it in a very serious, non troll way. I cannot get into the kind of thrashy (especially thrashy vocals) music the BMUBMD seems to be aiming for. It still stands as one of my least favorite DT songs along with Burning My Soul, Lie, Anna Lee etc. etc.
And are you ready for this shit?
You Not Me is a fucking masterpiece, at least from the guitar perspective. I love the trademark JP chords and the chromatic, bluesy, and tasteful solo in that song. When he uses the E/G# with the F#11 I am just going to automatically love the damn song and I don't know why.
But that's just like... you know... my opinion, man.
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I wouldn't really say it's thrashy; if I had to _really_ force a comparison, I'd say there's some slight nu-metal influence in there. If I had to think of DT going thrashy, my first thought is Constant Motion.
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The vocals are really harsh and just sort of shriek at me during the chorus. Thrash vocals do that to me too. That's why I made the comparison I guess.
I also enjoy JLB's side project work with a serious passion. I disagree that it sounds anything remotely close to Static Impulse or anything else he has done by the way.
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BMUBMD sounds a bit like a Static Impulse song that's been DT'd. Its much much better than YNM.
I do believe that there is a contingent of DT fans who really wanted a Solo JLB-style track on a DT album, and this is what they got.
I resemble that remark.
I also enjoy JLB's side project work with a serious passion. I disagree that it sounds anything remotely close to Static Impulse or anything else he has done by the way.
I'd say it's more reminiscent of EoP than SI. It's a more straight-forward song in terms of structure/time signature/etc., and it's got some of the same electronic elements. I'd say it's somewhat similar in sound to "Alone", which was also the 2nd track on its respective album.
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To the OP, I respect your opinion, and that's fine if you feel that way about the song,
maybe you can give it a few more listens to let it kind of sink it.
but, I must say...
I LOVE the song half-to-death.
I love the riffs, they are really raunchy, catchy, and for lack of better words... heavy.
The melodies are catchy, they work very well with the music.
The lyrics are a little *eh* at times, mostly the parts in the chorus that go "I'm your guilty addiction" "your iconic fixation" etc. are a little tacky, but the rest of the song makes up for that one flaw I can find with the song.
And it sounds like something off of JLB's solo record, which I have no problems with, because I love that too.
Hmm.. I kinda like You Not Me.. It's not THAT bad, maybe for Dream Theater standards... But, have you heard a bad song before? :tup
I don't think it was meant to "go anywhere" or take you on a musical journey through time and space, since it's just kind of a "radio-friendly" tune, and it lives it's purpose quite well. To me, I think it's neat because it's not overly long, it doesn't have any fat that needs to be trimmed. The song goes through it's motions, and then ends when it should.
And, again: you're not wrong, I'm not wrong. It's just all opinions! :biggrin:
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I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Alone has a consistent high energy to it and builds to an epic chorus/solo/bridge/outro through every verse. It's an emotional rollercoaster. Every time I listen to BMUBMD it just seems to never get off the blocks for me. It seems to just fall flat for the entire song. Once again, my opinion.
*edit* Actually the solo builds to the bridge but I think you get what I'm saying.. Meh I'm tired. :p
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I will agree that BMUBMD is the "You Not Me" of the album, but that is only because it is my least favorite on the album like "You Not Me" was on Falling Into Infinity. It's a great tune and I know I will love it live. iIt really reminds me of something off of one of James' solo albums.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Alone has a consistent high energy to it and builds to an epic chorus/solo/bridge/outro through every verse. It's an emotional rollercoaster. Every time I listen to BMUBMD it just seems to never get off the blocks for me. It seems to just fall flat for the entire song. Once again, my opinion.
*edit* Actually the solo builds to the bridge but I think you get what I'm saying.. Meh I'm tired. :p
??? Saying things have a similar sound isn't a statement about the relative quality of those 2 things.
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Ah, I just misunderstood what you were trying to say. Sorry about that. Yeah the electronic intro is sort of similar and the drum machine beats and such. I'm not seeing any familiarities in the vocal style, and I think that was what I was mostly focusing on.
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I'm just confused a bit because I hadn't meant anything bad.
Good, neither did I. So, would you like to answer my questions/comments?
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I like MBU, BMD,
My Big Unicorn, Beat My Dong?
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down >>>>>>>> You Not Me
This right here. BMUBMD is a much cooler song, and while its not nearly the best of the album, it still has a really catchy chorus.
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I completely agree with the OP.
It not only challenges YNM but The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun.
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I completely agree with the OP.
It not only challenges YNM but The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun.
Wow, and what do those two have in common?
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I love BMUBMD like I love all DT songs, as long there is not tomuch blah blah in it( the great debate, repentence), or too personal stuff(tbot, repentence again) wich puts me off while listening and i hate to skip parts of songs.
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I fucking love You Not Me..... That groovy guitar riff, the solo bits. Solid as a fuck.
Build Me Up, Break Me Down on the other hand... I'm kinda neutral on that tune. Decent verses. But the chorus is so predictably generic I was able to sing along on the first listen. Ain't nothing wrong with being catchy, but this chorus is generic and boring. But the post chorus bridge with the screaming vocals is a cool touch that helps a lot.
The instrumental/unison section is "nice" at best. I thought that it was going to lead into a powerful solo or something, but it just went into the chorus again. Feels kinda half assed to me.
And that outro goes on for about 30 seconds too long.
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I completely agree with the OP.
It not only challenges YNM but The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun.
Wow, and what do those two have in common?
That, to me, they are in the bottom pit of DT's song catalogue.
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I completely agree with the OP.
It not only challenges YNM but The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun.
Wow, and what do those two have in common?
That, to me, they are in the bottom pit of DT's song catalogue.
Ah, I thought so. I mean, it's the only thing that those could have in common.
Not that I agree with that. Personally I think TOWHTSTS is one of the best things DT recorded pre I&W. (I can't remember a Majesty demo come close, or any other demo, for that matter, and I'm not counting the original version of ACOS, cause that wins, obviously)
But carry on.
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I'm just confused a bit because I hadn't meant anything bad.
Good, neither did I. So, would you like to answer my questions/comments?
Didn't have that much time yesterday but I can try now...
It's not "easily and without question the worst".
Thanks for not reading the very next thing I posted, "IMHO."
Ok, I admit I overlooked that at first, and it did sound a bit weird, but it's my fault I guess because this changes the meaning.
It has the same rights as every other song on the album
I have no idea what this means.
Meaning some people, just like You Not Me (which I also find not even 1/3 as bad as most people say, it's just a decent catchy song), treat it like it doesn't even deserve to be called good for whatever reasons (I don't want to sound like I'm stereotyping but I can't help feeling it's because it's the only not-at-all prog song on the album). Which I find annoying to say the least, because like I've already said, it's far more original and clearly had more effort put into it than A Rite of Passage which got a much fairer response.
and it's not any less DT.
It is to me. There is nothing distinctively DT about it. It is a song (again, like I mentioned, like Forsaken) that could have been done by anyone. Specifically, this song sounds like it could have been on one of JLB's last two solo albums. Both of which I love, but if I want to hear that, I will listen to them. When I want DT, I want something different.
Well, I'd call that simply experimenting. Some riffs definitely sound DT to the core and except from the screamed chorus (which is new done _like this_ but not new for DT) the vocals are basically trademark JLB style. The rest is mostly something new, but there is honestly nothing I'd call out of place. And I really feel ADTOE NEEDS this song, otherwise it would explode from an overload of complexity imo, as most of the other songs take much more time to get into (for me at least, but most of them really isn't that easily accessible).
That they explore new territory (which is always a good thing) doesn't mean it's not DT - and unlike A Rite of Passage, which was a cool but rather predictable and not very original heavy/prog metal song, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is quite unique and remarkable.
I see nothing unique or remarkable, and I see no new territory.
The intro, the chorus, the totally different way of making a single-like song (fairly simple structure and catchy, without the obligatory solo section, but with a TON of details and different layers of sound instead), the ending (which is one of my favourite moments of the album, it's incredibly dramatic), and in general I'd say it's hands down the bravest single-oriented song DT has ever done, which _really_ moves out of their comfort zone (since, let's face it, pretty much all other single-oriented DT songs just followed the formula of a heavy/thrash metal song with more technicality and an occasional prog metal section - and I really like most of these, I'm not bashing them, just stating what I think).
And it is a much more straightforward song than most on the album because it doesn't contain any technical/solo parts, but it's in no way simplistic or uninteresting. There's a LOT of awesome detail in the song and they clearly put far more effort into it than "let's just make a modern metal single".
I didn't say it was simplistic and there was no detail, and I didn't accuse them of putting no effort into it or accusing them of trying to make a modern metal single. What are you talking about? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you working so hard to debate me on this?
I'm not putting words in your mouth, just saying what the song is/is not in my opinion?...
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down >>>>>>>> You Not Me
This.
It's not even a ballpark comparison.
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Both songs are fine.
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Haven't read everything but I would like to support the OP. BMUBMD is awful.
If you like it cool, but so many weak arguments on here.
Straightforward is fine (As I Am ?!?!) but bland/boring isn't - and the chorus isn't even catchy - it's cliche and amateur at best.
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I completely agree with the OP.
It not only challenges YNM but The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun.
Wow, and what do those two have in common?
That, to me, they are in the bottom pit of DT's song catalogue.
Ah, I thought so. I mean, it's the only thing that those could have in common.
Not that I agree with that. Personally I think TOWHTSTS is one of the best things DT recorded pre I&W. (I can't remember a Majesty demo come close, or any other demo, for that matter, and I'm not counting the original version of ACOS, cause that wins, obviously)
But carry on.
Being one of the best things pre-IaW isn't mutually exclusive with it being the bottom of the pit of DT though. :lol
Sorry, I had to. :biggrin:
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I knew it, when I saw that quote in your post, haha.
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fairly simple structure and catchy, without the obligatory solo section, but with a TON of details and different layers of sound instead
There really is a lot more going on in this song than it seems on a casual listen. I keep noticing cool little parts every time I listen to it.
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Bump just to say that while still one of the least best songs on ADTOE, it's still highly enjoyable, which is a testament to how strong that record still is. :tup :tup
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I don't mind it. I actually found this to be one of the more enjoyable tracks from ADTOE. It's also an easy song to sing where I know I can sing it in proper timing.
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BMUBMD is infinitely worse than YNM and I could not despise it more than I do.
I still don't think I can even say why I hate it so much and it's objectively better than a lot of their "bad" songs but every time I listen to it it just infuriates me like no other song the band has ever put out.
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After 3 years I still like this song :metal Definitely better than You Not Me.
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Both pretty good songs, but I prefer You Not Me.
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I think I'd slightly prefer BMUBMD, but I don't hate either song at all, and don't think either song is anywhere near as bad as people on DTF say.
Sure, neither would ever make my top 50, but nor would either one make an effective torture method if you were trying to find out where I buried the gold.
I don't even consider it the weakest song on ADTOE. I prefer it to OTBOA, Outcry, BTS, and FFH, so it's right about middle of the pack for me. It doesn't come close to the rest though.
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I really like YNM. If the third and final chorus were replaced by the YOM chorus, I'd love it.
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Cool song, prefer it to YNM, but both are pretty good.
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I have always loved BMUBMD. I absolutely do not get the hate for it here. The chorus is soaring, and it contains what are surely JLB's highest ever recorded notes.
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It remains the weakest track on the album by a WIDE margin for me. So in that sense, the comparison is valid.
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Okay, but that would be like deciding that the least best song on I&W is that by a wide margin and then saying it's that album's You Not Me. ;) :lol
In other words, all least best songs are not created equal. :biggrin:
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Okay, but that would be like deciding that the least best song on I&W is that by a wide margin and then saying it's that album's You Not Me. ;) :lol
In other words, all least best songs are not created equal. :biggrin:
I know, but that particular comparison would still be valid.
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I like the tune a lot and much more than "You Not Me"
Its a great tune to crank when driving!
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I like BMU, BMD in some strange way. Same with YNM. Neither of them are that great. Slightly below average I'd say.
BMU, BMD >>>>>>> YNM :biggrin:
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Both seem to be the most contentious on each album, both are the second track, and in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with either of them.
Kickass rock songs. They don't reach the epicness of Metropolis or IT but I wouldn't want an album full of those anyway.
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YNM is cheesy fun while BMU, BMD is an overly long snoozefest. I just listened to it again after who knows how long, and yeah, it's not that great.
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Can't stand this song. I remember listening to ADTOE for the first time and being very worried about the rest of the album after getting such a huge dip in quality after OTBOA. It doesn't have the cringy things that YNM has, but it's much more boring and generic. I get they were trying to write a straightforward modern alt rock/metal track and I hope they never attempt that again.
The YNM comparison is pretty interesting though, actually. I think they have similar feels, heavy riffing combined with a catchy chorus, the string hits in the choruses, the simple form. They're both sort of album anomalies too.
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I don't get the comparison at all. BMUBMD is one of my favorites from ADTOE. Top 3 I'd say. YNM is just an uninteresting clunker. My least favorite on a halfway decent and underappreciated album.
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YNM is cheesy fun while BMU, BMD is an overly long snoozefest. I just listened to it again after who knows how long, and yeah, it's not that great.
For all of the criticisms you could make of BMUBMD, I wouldn't call it overly long. It's a pretty concise song even as far as DT's shorter structured songs go.
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YNM is cheesy fun while BMU, BMD is an overly long snoozefest. I just listened to it again after who knows how long, and yeah, it's not that great.
Swap those descriptions and we're golden. Neither song is that great though but I can see the comparison of them being the least best on their respective albums by a pretty decent margin.
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To say BMU, BMD is the You Not Me of ADTOE is being wayyyy too kind.
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YNM is cheesy fun while BMU, BMD is an overly long snoozefest. I just listened to it again after who knows how long, and yeah, it's not that great.
For all of the criticisms you could make of BMUBMD, I wouldn't call it overly long. It's a pretty concise song even as far as DT's shorter structured songs go.
It feels very long.
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I've had moments where I've loved this song, and moments where I've sorta despised it. It has aged well though, and thus it recently went back into my shuffle.