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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2011, 10:56:24 AM
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https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/get-stems-for-dream-theaters-on-the-backs-of-angels
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holy shit
yes.
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YES
validating purchase nao
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IT IS TAKING FOREVER TO DOWNLOAD THE PLUG IN :censored
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fuck it. I'll do it somewhere else. >:(
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Great find! Thanks!
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WHAT THE WHAT.
It doesn't support my browser, but how does it validate it? I don't have any bought version of the album yet (although it's technically legit)
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Nothing happens when I insert the CD, just keeps asking the same thing..
EDIT: Nevermind, it now works
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Gutted, not got my box set yet!
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Completely failed to bring ADTOE to college. I have the jewel case, but I've got an Ange CD in there. Grr.
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It just keeps asking me where my iTunes folder is even though I'm choosing the CD option. ???
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Works for me. Great!
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finally finished downloading
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What if I got the free download from buying the box set? Anyone know what I should do? Or should I just wait til the box set comes in the mail? :/
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It just keeps asking me where my iTunes folder is even though I'm choosing the CD option. ???
Turns out it doesn't work with Chrome :facepalm:
Works fine with IE.
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MANGINI track :hefdaddy
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Awesome, can't wait to download either tonight or tomorrow.
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YES.
Finally I can make the bass audible!
:yeahright
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What if I got the free download from buying the box set? Anyone know what I should do? Or should I just wait til the box set comes in the mail? :/
This! :sadpanda:
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YES.
Finally I can make the drums audible!
FTFY
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YES.
Finally I can make the drums audible!
FTFY
You know, what would REALLY make me want to download this would be if they made the individual instrument tracks available. Then you could really play around with the drum mix and try to get a different sound. It's a little difficult to do much when everything is pre-mixed.
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YES.
Finally I can make the drums audible!
FTFY
You know, what would REALLY make me want to download this would be if they made the individual instrument tracks available. Then you could really play around with the drum mix and try to get a different sound. It's a little difficult to do much when everything is pre-mixed.
Yeah, it does limit it, although you can still do quite a bit if you get creative. I've done some funky stuff with the BCASL stems. Plus I just enjoy hearing each track isolated and hearing very detail.
DANGIT, I want these so bad.
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oh, and...
thank ME for making the isolated stems available...
:P
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"Plug-in Loading"
It's been like that for like 10 minutes. Is this normal? I'm using firefox
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i want the stems for all the songs!
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What if I got the free download from buying the box set? Anyone know what I should do? Or should I just wait til the box set comes in the mail? :/
This! :sadpanda:
Bookmark the site and wait until it arrives I guess :-\ That's what I'm going to do.
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Yeah what's the massive rush? Just wait until it arrives.
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Used internet explorer. Took awhile but finally got the download :metal
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"Plug-in Loading"
It's been like that for like 10 minutes. Is this normal? I'm using firefox
Same thing is happening to me (although I use IE). Any thoughts people?
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I can't get the stems. I'm using IE, I click on "iTunes" and nothing happens. Weird
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YYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSS it's downloading now!!!!! :metal :metal :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I... What? I'll download later.
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So, I'm probably going to be thought a complete retard for this, but anyway...
How can you actually remix the tracks and change the volumes? Is there any program (Preferably free to download) that can do this?
Thx
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You can download a free program called Audacity that will work just fine.
https://audacity.sourceforge.net/
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So, I'm probably going to be thought a complete retard for this, but anyway...
How can you actually remix the tracks and change the volumes? Is there any program (Preferably free to download) that can do this?
Thx
I use audacity and it seems to work well.
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Vocals Track is..... like 60% silence ;)
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This widget is still not working for me.
Dammit.
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I ran the 5 tracks on my Sony Vegas to adjust all the tracks, and even pumping the drums up 7db over the rest of the mix to get better balance, they're still not great. When you listen to them the volume goes up and down and all over the place. I mean for a final drum mix I'm very underwhelmed. I'm a huge Mangini fan,but that's not doing the guy any justice. Sounds even worse when you can really hear it. I held off criticizing the mix before, but man it's just not great. Even when you get the level up where it sounds good, it's just so uneven. Just a terrible master for the drum channel IMO.
I guess I also would have liked them to pick a track where Mangini was an animal. I mean there's a couple of tiny warp speed flourishes, but not like on the other tracks. Just my nitpicks, but I am very happy that they gave us the stems anyways, don't want to sound ungrateful because it was really nice of them anyways.
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We should all do different mixes like we did with the Black Clouds stems... Could be fun :corn
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Had to try like 10 times to get i to work. Couldn't find either the CD or the files in iTunes... but downloading now.
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I ran the 5 tracks on my Sony Vegas to adjust all the tracks, and even pumping the drums up 7db over the rest of the mix to get better balance, they're still not great. When you listen to them the volume goes up and down and all over the place. I mean for a final drum mix I'm very underwhelmed. I'm a huge Mangini fan,but that's not doing the guy any justice. Sounds even worse when you can really hear it. I held off criticizing the mix before, but man it's just not great. Even when you get the level up where it sounds good, it's just so uneven. Just a terrible master for the drum channel IMO.
I guess I also would have liked them to pick a track where Mangini was an animal. I mean there's a couple of tiny warp speed flourishes, but not like on the other tracks. Just my nitpicks, but I am very happy that they gave us the stems anyways, don't want to sound ungrateful because it was really nice of them anyways.
Interesting. You're saying that the drums are sometimes fine but they suddenly disappear, and you have to work hard to "trace" where they are? Because I was hearing something like that, but I didn't know if blame it on my headphones.
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I ran the 5 tracks on my Sony Vegas to adjust all the tracks, and even pumping the drums up 7db over the rest of the mix to get better balance, they're still not great. When you listen to them the volume goes up and down and all over the place. I mean for a final drum mix I'm very underwhelmed. I'm a huge Mangini fan,but that's not doing the guy any justice. Sounds even worse when you can really hear it. I held off criticizing the mix before, but man it's just not great. Even when you get the level up where it sounds good, it's just so uneven. Just a terrible master for the drum channel IMO.
I guess I also would have liked them to pick a track where Mangini was an animal. I mean there's a couple of tiny warp speed flourishes, but not like on the other tracks. Just my nitpicks, but I am very happy that they gave us the stems anyways, don't want to sound ungrateful because it was really nice of them anyways.
Interesting. You're saying that the drums are sometimes fine but they suddenly disappear, and you have to work hard to "trace" where they are? Because I was hearing something like that, but I didn't know if blame it on my headphones.
No I didn't say that but the volume of the drums is very inconsistant and it's not Mangini's dynamics. It's just like a bad recording to me. No punch. I also don't know what the deal is with all the reverb. There's no crispyness to the track. It doesn't seem like something that should happen with pros like that, but that's what I hear. It's definitely not your headphones IMO. Also, the reverb on the snare is ridiculous.
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The vocals are pretty damn funny on their own... Would love to see the rest of the album made available.
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It didn't work for me using IE9. I used an old XP machine with an older version of IE and it needed Java installed.
Then it asked for my disk . . . argh it's at home. Guess I'll do this tomorrow.
It seems like people should avoid Chrome or Firefox if they're having problems.
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The widget still won't load for me. What the fuck is going on...
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Jumped the Chrome hurdle with Firefox, now "Problem accessing the server."
:sadpanda:
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Sounds like Myung used distortion in his bass again
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I had no trouble at all downloading the stems... Just type in my e-mail address, click the option for 'purchasing a cd' and boom. It was a quick download too....
I must say I didn't think it would work. My boxset is still weeks away from being delivered and I bought a CD/DVD edition off of eBay.
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Bass stem is boring...
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I had no trouble at all downloading the stems... Just type in my e-mail address, click the option for 'purchasing a cd' and boom. It was a quick download too....
I must say I didn't think it would work. My boxset is still weeks away from being delivered and I bought a CD/DVD edition off of eBay.
I choose the 'purchasing a cd' option and then bam, the thing just constantly loads for an eternity. I have never gotten past this step for every time I tried to download the stems.
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Also the bass stems seems to sound a bit sloppy at parts with Myungs playing.
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Not working for me on Firefox. Won't validate the cd.
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Don't want to start a quote train.
@ResultsMayVary - I can only guess I got in at the right time or something. The browser I'm using is Firefox by the way. The ZIP folder is about 600MBs in size so good luck.
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Don't want to start a quote train.
@ResultsMayVary - I can only guess I got in at the right time or something. The browser I'm using is Firefox by the way. The ZIP folder is about 600MBs in size so good luck.
Holy fuck, that's big.
I think i'll just chill for a while and give some time for the possible traffic to die down. If it doesn't work later, ill rage and break shit.
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Yeah the stems are 24bit WAV files. Bit rate is 2304 kbps.
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Holy crap the MM unison with the keyboard in the beginning is even more awesome.
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:omg: at the keyboard stem. After hearing the keyboard stem on its own, I would now love to hear the keyboard stems for the other songs!
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SIX HUNDRED MEGABYTES ?
(https://data.whicdn.com/images/7833150/doc_brown-full-1_thumb.jpg?1299841980)
Forget it ! :o
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SIX HUNDRED MEGABYTES ?
(https://data.whicdn.com/images/7833150/doc_brown-full-1_thumb.jpg?1299841980)
Forget it ! :o
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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(https://s3.postimage.org/wbuplmq3o/error.jpg)
:(
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SIX HUNDRED MEGABYTES ?
(https://data.whicdn.com/images/7833150/doc_brown-full-1_thumb.jpg?1299841980)
Forget it ! :o
:rollin :rollin :rollin
You win, good sir!
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:-X
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They're halfway downloaded now! :D
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Ooooohh - They're halfway there !
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Mine wasn't validating until I realised my CD drive was my H:
Crappy widget that won't let you change the source of the files/CD.
Going pretty rapidly, thank god for fibre optic.
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I keep getting server error.... :tdwn
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Wouldn't work in Safari. Tried 4 or 5 times. Ran no problem in chrome.
Also the bass stems seems to sound a bit sloppy at parts with Myungs playing.
You know while I don't entirely disagree, nobody would have ever said this about Myung before having heard the stems for BC&SL. I think in the context of Dream Theater his lose style fits very well in context of the bands sound. Not that I exactly disagree with the statement that the bass is sloppy, but even with bass pumping loudly in the mix on ADTOE, I would have never considered JMs playing to be sloppy.
Edit: Oh, and I'd pay for Dream Theater to sell the stem tracks for the entire album separately.
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OK, I switched back from Firefox to IE and now downloading. Funny thing is, it wasn't working with IE earlier. Oh well :)
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Chrome isn't the problem, I'm downloading them from Chrome right now...
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Wouldn't work in Safari. Tried 4 or 5 times. Ran no problem in chrome.
Also the bass stems seems to sound a bit sloppy at parts with Myungs playing.
You know while I don't entirely disagree, nobody would have ever said this about Myung before having heard the stems for BC&SL. I think in the context of Dream Theater his lose style fits very well in context of the bands sound. Not that I exactly disagree with the statement that the bass is sloppy, but even with bass pumping loudly in the mix on ADTOE, I would have never considered JMs playing to be sloppy.
Edit: Oh, and I'd pay for Dream Theater to sell the stem tracks for the entire album separately.
Some parts are pretty technical and other parts sound like he is fumbling around for the string.
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I still can't get to download this thing. I click on the iTunes thing, and nothing happens.
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...must refrain from disparaging remarks about MP's absence being evident in the drum mix.
Maybe, um...it would be a good idea for them to have an outside producer to objectively assess the mic setup next time? Hmmmm, why yes, that's a capital idea, wonder why no one has suggested that before?
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Oh..my..god! The drums sound friggin awesome! Very musical. The drum stem can be thought of as its own song in its self. :metal
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this. is. awesome. not too sure what i will do with them yet though, they are great for learning the parts as well as messing on with
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This is a really cool thank-you to the fans. I have mine downloading now. Can't wait to listen to Mangini's drum part!
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Also the bass stems seems to sound a bit sloppy at parts with Myungs playing.
Myung sounds a little sloppy on his own in the BCASL stems too, but he sounds fine altogether with the band. Every instrument has its little problems like that when you hear it isolated, because you're able to scrutinize it more. As long as it sounds tight as a band, it's all good.
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They really need to do this for all the other tracks.
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Started to do a little mixing to them. I was surprised at a few things about the stems.
- How dynamic the stems are.
- How processed JLB's vocals sound
- How freaking amazing the drums sound isolated. It sounds like there is triggering for the snare and bass drums. The snare sounds amazing and the snare reverb is outstanding.
- How many effects are in JM's bass sometimes.
- How calm some of Rudess's keys are over some insane sections.
So far all I've done is punch up and compress JM's bass a lil bit to really make it really groove with the song. Added a lil high end to the drums, and some 4k to the guitars. Then just leveled them out to taste. Really liking it!
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I have to say, I'm greatly enjoying this drum track right now.
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Still can't download the fucking stems.
Does anybody have any recommendations to help me out? I select CD and then it just loads for an eternity.
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Still can't download the fucking stems.
Does anybody have any recommendations to help me out? I select CD and then it just loads for an eternity.
I'd test it out in various browsers. I'm on OS X and it wouldn't work in Safari after installing the Java updates, but it worked no problem in Google Chrome.
And make sure cookies are enabled.
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Still can't download the fucking stems.
Does anybody have any recommendations to help me out? I select CD and then it just loads for an eternity.
You gotta put your disc in the drive. Then refresh the page and start over again.
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I'd test it out in various browsers. I'm on OS X and it wouldn't work in Safari after installing the Java updates, but it worked no problem in Google Chrome.
And make sure cookies are enabled.
I've tried Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. I could only get to the download with Firefox (the other browsers failed validating), but when I'd start downloading, there would be a server error.
>:(
EDIT: From the FAQ:
What is the recommended browser?
On a PC with Windows we recommend you use Internet Explorer 7 or above, but it will work with Mozilla Firefox 3.0 and above too, providing you have Java enabled. On a Mac, we recommend Safari 3 or above, Firefox 3 is also supported. Make sure with Firefox that you are always updated to the latest version, it should do this automatically, please check your version by selecting 'Help' on the Firefox menu and then 'About Mozilla Firefox'. The widget will not work in Chrome, Opera or Safari on the PC or Opera or IE on the MAC.
EDIT 2:
Hooray! Downloaded started. Bedtime now. I'll probably start transcribing OTBOA.
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The FAQ doesn't help me. My cookies are enabled and i've tried inserting the CD and refreshing the page for like twenty different combinations with no luck. It just loads for an eternity after I select CD. I can enter my email and select CD or iTunes, but then it just doesn't go any further than that. It's pissing me off.
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Is that snare triggered? :omg:
I don't really like that reverb.
EDIT: That keyboard stem is awesome!! There is lot of things I didn't even notice until this.
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I'm wondering if they will release the stem tracks for each song off the album one at a time over a period of days or weeks. That would be phenomenal! :2metal:
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i want this stems sooooo bad, unfortunately I've ordered the deluxe box and yet nothing is arrived >:(
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cannot not validate my cd :tdwn :facepalm:
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Is that snare triggered? :omg:
I don't know about on ADTOE, but people were speculating about triggered drums on Elements of Persuasion, and Richard Chycki said that, no, Mangini is just that consistent.
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I'm coming home tomorrow, and I will download it!!
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Surely this means that all the stems will be available at some point? I love stems!
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What is a triggered snare? Does it just mean it's electronic?
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Finally got it to validate and listening now.
JR's stems are always amazing and I enjoy listening to them in isolation more than the other instruments.
Didn't like the drum sound at all. Kick sounds so feeble!
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Is that snare triggered? :omg:
I don't really like that reverb.
EDIT: That keyboard stem is awesome!! There is lot of things I didn't even notice until this.
https://www.guitarcenter.com/ddrum-Snare-Trigger-103729232-i1136241.gc
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Shit I haven't got my ADTOE cd with me now :)
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That's great news! Stems were the only thing missing from this release and I loved the BC&SL ones! Can't wait to play with them myself and hear what people can do with them who are much more professional than I am - it would be great if you guys could post your mixes here.
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So... what is a stem?
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It's what holds up a rose's petals, so gather ye rosebuds while ye may, old time is still a'flying.
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So... what is a stem?
Individual instrument tracks.
I tried getting downloading the bonus tracks from the new Opeth album that uses a widget just like that one and it just stood there with the "plug-in downloading" screen, even after updating java in both IE and Chrome. They really could find some other way to do this other than that damn widget.
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I REALLY don't like this setup. I uninstalled Java for a very specific reason. I'm not reinstalling it so I can get these stems and the MP3s of the new Opeth's bonus tracks.
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So... what is a stem?
Something you should avoid smoking OR separate channels for each instrument(alist) that are used to build the final cut of a song. If you have software like some of us do, you can load all of the channels and manipulate them separately to create your own limited mix.
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Congrats to Roadrunner for making another should be an easily handled download a fucking nightmare.
Been trying for two days now and I still can't get the stems. >:( Whenever Roadrunner puts something up for download you pretty much know it's not going to work properly.
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Finally got it. Chrome was the problem. Fuck chrome.
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Congrats to Roadrunner for making another should be an easily handled download a fucking nightmare.
Been trying for two days now and I still can't get the stems. >:( Whenever Roadrunner puts something up for download you pretty much know it's not going to work properly.
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Finally got it. Chrome was the problem. Fuck chrome.
Weird, I'm using Chrome and it worked the first try for me just now. Just got my CD delivered finally so I used that.
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I REALLY don't like this setup. I uninstalled Java for a very specific reason. I'm not reinstalling it so I can get these stems and the MP3s of the new Opeth's bonus tracks.
Oh wait, it requires Java? Damn, then I won't be able to get it. I purged my system of Java a long time ago, and have zero intention of ever putting it back. I wish they had included these in the boxset like last time. In fact, it's the only reason I bought the boxset last time, so they would have gained themselves an extra purchase.
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Congrats to Roadrunner for making another should be an easily handled download a fucking nightmare.
Been trying for two days now and I still can't get the stems. >:( Whenever Roadrunner puts something up for download you pretty much know it's not going to work properly.
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Finally got it. Chrome was the problem. Fuck chrome.
I've tried every fucking browser I can think of and it still won't for me. What the FUCK.
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What is a triggered snare? Does it just mean it's electronic?
not exactly. triggering is a more specific process by which the recorded snare hits (that the drummer actually played) are tracked by a plugin or external module and replaced with equivalent volume/intensity hits with another snare sound.
it's usually used to aid and/or repair shitty recording of snare drums. i've started using it (specifically Drumagog) because it's impossible to get a good-sounding snare out of the studio at my school.
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I REALLY don't like this setup. I uninstalled Java for a very specific reason. I'm not reinstalling it so I can get these stems and the MP3s of the new Opeth's bonus tracks.
If you got the special edition of Heritage and you know what you're doing you can rip the bonus tracks off the DVD. That's what I ended up doing. Don't know how I'll get the stems though when I get my box set though, although I guess I don't really care. I never even put the stems from the BC&SL in my computer :lol
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Working! Downloading!
Mac Lion, Safari, entering CD first, then opening site.
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Anyone else hear that noise behind the guitar stem?
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I can hear a humming noise, but also during the piano breakdown while there is not guitar you can hear the leakage of the other instruments. That may have been leaking from his headphones but odd they would not edit that out.
The editing glitch that annoys me is the one during Mangini's most incredible fill right before that piano break at 5:55-5:56- you can hear a clicking in the drum track lining up with the kick twice and I am pretty sure it is a cut/punch in where they did not cross-fade it. It drives me nuts and I can even hear it in the whole mix!!! I can't believe the engineer did not fix that. Pro Tools 101.
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Just downloaded stems. JR work is awesome..... MM snare is weird :) but anyway :hefdaddy
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MANGINI track :hefdaddy
Yup.
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The little things Mangini does really get lost in the mix.
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Or maybe your brain can't comprehend the awesome and blocks it out.
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The little things Mangini does really get lost in the mix.
Definitely, there's a lot of stuff that you absolutely don't hear.... like the chimes.
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Here is my attempt on a vocal cover.
I used Digital Boss Recorder and a condenser microphone to record all the vocals. Sorry I am a noob on memorizing lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxIciWFanv4
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Or maybe your brain can't comprehend the awesome and blocks it out.
(https://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j425/KenniBakes/Gif%20Party/tumblr_lnqcfgbduI1qhxr17o1_500.gif)
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You can hear MM breathe right before the tom roll out of the piano break section back into the groove. This is actually on purpose- has to do with using different ways to internalize the groove outside of physical movement- using the voice/breathing. He taught me about that in a lessons years ago.
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The keyboard stem has a cool video game feel to it.
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Rudess's track is beyond awesome :hefdaddy
But... I'm really dissapointed with Myung's work :/ Sounds - pardon the blasphemy - sloppy as hell :/ Anyone else feel the same way?
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The vocals are pretty damn funny on their own... Would love to see the rest of the album made available.
It's sad he used that much autotune. You could tell from the BC&SL stems he used autotune, but the overuse on ADTOE is just ridiculous. I'm surprised they even considered making this available for download. Robot LaBrie.........yikes.
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:facepalm:
...not again.
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wow inconsistent bass
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wow inconsistent bass
Maybe he needs to practice more.
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The vocals are pretty damn funny on their own... Would love to see the rest of the album made available.
It's sad he used that much autotune. You could tell from the BC&SL stems he used autotune, but the overuse on ADTOE is just ridiculous. I'm surprised they even considered making this available for download. Robot LaBrie.........yikes.
Specific examples or it didn't happen
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It didn't happen. What I hear is JLB double tracking, panning left and right, and then using a fair bit of chorus to blend the two takes together. You can even hear where he is a few cents out of tune with himself between the takes. Had they autotuned it, these disparities wouldn't be noticable.
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It's really not fair to call JM's track sloppy, it really isn't. With that much distortion, it sounds really ugly in solo, but listen to it with the drums, and it's groovin like a beast. And that's what matters, isn't it? He plays in time, and I was very surprised to hear that he REALLY digs in, just like Geddy Lee. His playing style is really similar at times, and if you listen to the isolated Rush tracks from Moving Pictures, those tracks aren't any tighter sounding, but as a whole, it's perfect. That's the thing, it can sound sorta sloppy in isolation, especially distorted bass, but put it back in the song, and it's just wonderful.
At least it proves that they are human, even JM. :biggrin:
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You can hear MM breathe right before the tom roll out of the piano break section back into the groove. This is actually on purpose- has to do with using different ways to internalize the groove outside of physical movement- using the voice/breathing. He taught me about that in a lessons years ago.
never heard anything like this, this guy is unbelievable
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It's really not fair to call JM's track sloppy, it really isn't. With that much distortion, it sounds really ugly in solo, but listen to it with the drums, and it's groovin like a beast. And that's what matters, isn't it? He plays in time, and I was very surprised to hear that he REALLY digs in, just like Geddy Lee. His playing style is really similar at times, and if you listen to the isolated Rush tracks from Moving Pictures, those tracks aren't any tighter sounding, but as a whole, it's perfect. That's the thing, it can sound sorta sloppy in isolation, especially distorted bass, but put it back in the song, and it's just wonderful.
At least it proves that they are human, even JM. :biggrin:
I thought it was sloppy as well but after listening to your explanation I have to agree with you.
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It's really not fair to call JM's track sloppy, it really isn't. With that much distortion, it sounds really ugly in solo, but listen to it with the drums, and it's groovin like a beast. And that's what matters, isn't it? He plays in time, and I was very surprised to hear that he REALLY digs in, just like Geddy Lee. His playing style is really similar at times, and if you listen to the isolated Rush tracks from Moving Pictures, those tracks aren't any tighter sounding, but as a whole, it's perfect. That's the thing, it can sound sorta sloppy in isolation, especially distorted bass, but put it back in the song, and it's just wonderful.
At least it proves that they are human, even JM. :biggrin:
That's interesting. I've read many posts here bashing JM's work on BC&SL, and now I'm wondering if your explanation could also be applied to it, or was it just flat out sloppy on BC&SL?
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JMX is a ninja. I would exercise caution in discussing any so-called "sloppiness" in a public setting.
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It didn't happen. What I hear is JLB double tracking, panning left and right, and then using a fair bit of chorus to blend the two takes together. You can even hear where he is a few cents out of tune with himself between the takes. Had they autotuned it, these disparities wouldn't be noticable.
EXACTLY. I've said it before, so I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I cringed when JLB said he used some autotune in the studio. Props to him for being honest but now too many people here anything processed a different way and think that its autotune. I've heard a few things that sound like it MIGHT be autotune, but it is so subtle (not nearly the obvious sore thumb that people make it out to be) that no one can say with absolute certainty that it is.
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The processing you hear throughout the song is not Autotune. It's multiple takes and chorusing effects. Also, if you take 2 vocal takes and pan them L/R and then pitch shift one side 1 way by a few cents and the other side the other way by a few cents, it creates a chorus effect that lessens the differences in the takes pitch wise. It's like a fake autotune that also makes the vocals sound more processed.
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Rudess's track is beyond awesome :hefdaddy
But... I'm really dissapointed with Myung's work :/ Sounds - pardon the blasphemy - sloppy as hell :/ Anyone else feel the same way?
Somebody wrote here that JM is sounding great in the band, not alone. My opinion is, bass is a instrument that has to put together everything in the mix, and it has to work with the drummer, Listen to bass + drums. You can almost touch the feel between these two Guys. So, maybe bass sound which JM is using on OTBOA is floppy when it's alone, but as a whole, He's a master.
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JM's track might feel sloppy, but as the other guys said when it is mixed with the other instruments it sounds pretty good. And to be honest i always believed that JP's great tone is elevated by JM, giving him more depth and low end.
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after hearing these stems I really wish you could hear the drum track more cleanly in the produced version
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When you mix the tracks with the drums a little louder, you can really hear the triplet fills more clearly- in particular 5:16-5:17. In the final mix that sounds off but if you bring it up in the mix it sounds perfect. I am guessing these types of things will be corrected in the next album as all involved get to know MM's style better. If you really want to drill into his groove, listen to the drum track nice and loud when he comes in after the piano break- you will hear him breathing along with his playing! You also hear a lot of ghost notes on the snare.
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Finally got it to validate and listening now.
JR's stems are always amazing and I enjoy listening to them in isolation more than the other instruments.
Didn't like the drum sound at all. Kick sounds so feeble!
Just realised my comments on the drums were total shite. Just didn't have the volume up enough and used the crappy laptop speakers. Using headphones now and :metal
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Wow, it's a shame that so many nuances of MM's playing were buried in the mix. Drum track is amazing, world class drumming, it's so much fun listening to it only. And that fill right before JR's piano interlude - :omg: + :hefdaddy
But the reverb on the snare - dunno what to think about it ;)
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Rudess's track is beyond awesome :hefdaddy
But... I'm really dissapointed with Myung's work :/ Sounds - pardon the blasphemy - sloppy as hell :/ Anyone else feel the same way?
Somebody wrote here that JM is sounding great in the band, not alone. My opinion is, bass is a instrument that has to put together everything in the mix, and it has to work with the drummer, Listen to bass + drums. You can almost touch the feel between these two Guys. So, maybe bass sound which JM is using on OTBOA is floppy when it's alone, but as a whole, He's a master.
Sounds pretty tight to me...It doesn't sound that great in solo because of the distortion. There's nothing wrong with Myung's playing, and I'm a bass player. I guess some will think of the distortion and his rather aggressive plucking as sloppyness, because they don't know any better, but that's a sound/technique thing. His hard plucking make the strings touch the frets quite much (just like when playing slap bass), which together with distortion probably sounds sloppy to some (to me it sounds aggressive). Bass will always sound a bit like that anyway, depending on the particular bass, setup and EQ. I'm talking from experience here. And yes Cody, the bass sounds great together with the drums. Tight rhythm section IMO.
Speaking of the stems, I just made a small mix variation myself (drums and bass a bit louder, and some other minor changes). I only wish I had all the drum tracks, but anyway the stems are great.
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The processing you hear throughout the song is not Autotune. It's multiple takes and chorusing effects. Also, if you take 2 vocal takes and pan them L/R and then pitch shift one side 1 way by a few cents and the other side the other way by a few cents, it creates a chorus effect that lessens the differences in the takes pitch wise. It's like a fake autotune that also makes the vocals sound more processed.
Auto-tune............fake auto-tune..........whatever it is, it sounds horrible to my ears. I would much, much rather hear LaBrie's live singing over this.
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As a bassist JMX sounds fine ??? ??? ??? I'm confused at the criticism.
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When you listen to the base track by itself, it definitely sounds sloppy. When you listen to the base and drum tracks together it sounds really tight. I think it's because there's some swing to Mangini's groove and JM plays to it, but without hearing him play to the drums it sounds off. Sombody further up the post mentioned that and then it was easy for me to see, especially since I'm a drummer. It just never dawned on me.
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especially since I'm a drummer.
That makes sense.
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It's funny you don't hear the snare reverb much over the total mix. It seems like too much of a long decay type reverb but then again the overall mix sounded pretty good so maybe there is something to that.
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I love how Mangini and Myung are so locked in. You could really here on the Black Clouds stems how Portnoy and Myung weren't even speaking on a musical level apparently.
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That's a lot of reverb on the snare. I like it
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I love the reverb on the drums track - it's kind of popular *not* to have any reverb at all in most modern rock records. It's very refreshing... although hardly audible on the CD.
I love the stems. Especially the fact there's no need to correct anything, like on the BC&SL ones ;) Just make the drums and bass a little louder than in the final mix, make the guitar a tiny bit softer and... you get a very dynamic, great sounding song. You actually appreciate Andy Wallace's mixing... which was kind of ruined by Ted Jensen's mastering (and I'm not saying Ted Jensen is a bad engineer, if the band requested a dynamic, loudness-war-free master they'd get one).
I hope the band releases stems to all the songs. What do we do to make them do that? :D
Not only for the purpose of fixing the CD - things like OsMosis2259 posted are amazing. Can't wait to hear more things of this kind!
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"We're sorry there was a problem accessing the server. Please try again..."
What if I don't feel like trying again after 10 tries? Seriously why isn't the download work for meee....
E: Okay it worked when I changed to Firefox from Safari.
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still cannot validate my cd, fuck :facepalm:
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still cannot validate my cd, fuck :facepalm:
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still cannot validate my cd, fuck :facepalm:
Happened to me too. I just kept dicking around with it.
This MIGHT be a solution.
Put the CD in, select that you have the itunes download, it won't find it on your computer, THEN go back and press that you have the CD. It might have been coincidence, but it worked for me.
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WOW. it looks like we might need a support line number for this. I know everyone that has a valid copy that CAN'T get the stems must be frustrated.
I do network support and i know that things like this can always be an issue. The problem is that it needs to be on a case by case basis.
The stems are great and i was able to work through the issues. I might be biting off more than i can chew but i would be wiling to work with members on a case by case basis to help - as long as they went through the basics. Send me a PM and i'll see what i can do.
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Just finished transcribing the guitar parts for powertabs.
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So... I might have missed it, if there's info on it elsewhere on the board, but will there be a thread on these boards where we can share our remixes/creations? There will undoubtedly be some great things inspired by the stems. I remember there was such a thread when people started fooling around with the BCSL stems.
I know one could put it up on Youtube, but wouldn't it be nice if we had it gathered on the boards as well? Assuming it is legal to share these remixes, maybe someone else can chime in on that subject?
Again, if this has been talked about in other threads, my apologies.
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Just finished transcribing the guitar parts for powertabs.
Would you like to share?
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WOW. it looks like we might need a support line number for this. I know everyone that has a valid copy that CAN'T get the stems must be frustrated.
I certainly am, but that's mainly because I just tried to validate with a Public Enemy CD in the drive. :facepalm:
Where the hell did I put ADToE?
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Anyone know if other stems will be made available? I'd love to get my hands on a few for learning purposes.
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So this is it? No stems of other tracks?
Has anyone done anything interesting with the OTBOA stems or are they useless to the community?
I'm not a musician, so I just rebalanced the instruments a little and removed the "double vocals" thing on LaBrie, which I can't stand... I'd love to do that on the rest of the songs as I find it overused and thus annoying :(
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So this is it? No stems of other tracks?
Has anyone done anything interesting with the OTBOA stems or are they useless to the community?
I'm not a musician, so I just rebalanced the instruments a little and removed the "double vocals" thing on LaBrie, which I can't stand... I'd love to do that on the rest of the songs as I find it overused and thus annoying :(
I love when artists double track their vocals! It hasn't sounded this good since SFAM imo.
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And here I was, thinking this thread was resurrected because I was imagining that DT released all the Stems for all the songs off ADTOE as some sort of Christmas promotion. This is what I get for lying to myself. /sigh
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I could never get the download to work using IE. Finally gave up. (I had both the iTunes download and the CD, neither worked.) Just something to keep me from working on my own music, anyways. That's how I justify it to myself when I'm crying at night.
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I could never get the download to work using IE. Finally gave up. (I had both the iTunes download and the CD, neither worked.) Just something to keep me from working on my own music, anyways. That's how I justify it to myself when I'm crying at night.
I don't want to be that guy, but it was probably IE.
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I would pay for stems from other songs.
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JLB's vocals are produced extremely well on this record. Some of my favorite out of all the albums. The effects and particularly the vocal mix is top notch. By themselves... that's solo'd vocal stems sound now in modern music. Doubled, effected, etc. But with the music it sounds kick ass.
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JLB's vocals are produced extremely well on this record. Some of my favorite out of all the albums. The effects and particularly the vocal mix is top notch. By themselves... that's solo'd vocal stems sound now in modern music. Doubled, effected, etc. But with the music it sounds kick ass.
Agree. I really love that he had the guff to say he wanted to record them with his longtime friend up in Toronto. Over the years JP and MP all had a lot of say in doing what kept them in their comfort zone and I'm glad James finally got to make a demand of his own. Regardless, JP still got to be present for the recording of 2 or 3 songs so every party was happy.
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The processing you hear throughout the song is not Autotune. It's multiple takes and chorusing effects. Also, if you take 2 vocal takes and pan them L/R and then pitch shift one side 1 way by a few cents and the other side the other way by a few cents, it creates a chorus effect that lessens the differences in the takes pitch wise. It's like a fake autotune that also makes the vocals sound more processed.
Auto-tune............fake auto-tune..........whatever it is, it sounds horrible to my ears. I would much, much rather hear LaBrie's live singing over this.
If you want "live singing" then I guess you need to attend a show, that's not how things are done -by any bands- in the studio. What you are hearing on these stems is just two individual takes, one panned right and one panned left. There are some effects on it as 7StringedBeast correctly identified, but other than that, you're hearing James LaBrie singing.
I think Dream Theater should be commended for releasing material like this to their fans. There's an old saying about sausage. Everyone likes sausage, but not everyone wants to see it being made. The same idea can be applied here. If you think these "stems" sound crummy, then you'd be astonished at what the raw, unprocessed tracks sound like. Welcome to [sausage] music [/sausage] production. That's just how it works.
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The "sloppiness" is something I've heard on almost every multi-track split I've heard. (Killer Queen might be the only exception.) But when you put them together, it's magic.
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You know what happens when you put "perfect" tracks together? The music sound mechanical, which almost always garners negative criticisms.
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Interestingly, I found something pretty odd while making my own mix using the OTBOA stems. At exactly 4:40.448 into Jordan's Keyboard stem (most audible in the right channel), there is a very weird and unnatural mechanical sounding noise (sort of like the noise that an old mechanical lever would make while being activated). I don't know whether it's some kind of distorted reverb effect from the last note of that section, but I don't think it's pronounced enough to have been purposefully included into the song.
So, am I just hearing things, or do you guys hear it too?
(Btw, Happy New Year!)
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These are simply great to hear.
As Kirk said, it may ruin the magic for some. Staying away then would be the best course.
However, for many, it is simply telling and great to hear. I am an amateur musician, and when recording I am always concerned with my bass playing. Hearing Myung play is great, because during a full mix you cannot fully hear the various sounds in his playing. So it may sound sloppy to many, but actually it is real sounding and normal. Now I know Geddy Lee, when isolated, would probably sound the same thinking of 'Moving Pictures' tone.
I also agree with Kirk about bands having the courage to release these. Although they are still produced, it does lend to more open analysis.
It also really shows how much JM backs up and thickens JP's sound and tone.
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These are simply great to hear.
As Kirk said, it may ruin the magic for some. Staying away then would be the best course.
However, for many, it is simply telling and great to hear. I am an amateur musician, and when recording I am always concerned with my bass playing. Hearing Myung play is great, because during a full mix you cannot fully hear the various sounds in his playing. So it may sound sloppy to many, but actually it is real sounding and normal. Now I know Geddy Lee, when isolated, would probably sound the same thinking of 'Moving Pictures' tone.
I also agree with Kirk about bands having the courage to release these. Although they are still produced, it does lend to more open analysis.
It also really shows how much JM backs up and thickens JP's sound and tone.
I remember when they released the stems for BC&SL....I was expecting individual tracks, not a single track of the drums, a single track of the bass, a single track of the guitar, etc.....I thought they were actually going to release the raw tracks. To me, that was incredible. :eek How could any band do such a thing?
So, when it turned out to be the stems, already heavily produced, I guess I was a little bit disappointed, truth be told.
But still, it's better than nothing. And it's pretty damned cool to be able to try to learn some of the parts or put your own guitar solo in there or whatever.....big props to Dream Theater for doing it.
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These are simply great to hear.
As Kirk said, it may ruin the magic for some. Staying away then would be the best course.
However, for many, it is simply telling and great to hear. I am an amateur musician, and when recording I am always concerned with my bass playing. Hearing Myung play is great, because during a full mix you cannot fully hear the various sounds in his playing. So it may sound sloppy to many, but actually it is real sounding and normal. Now I know Geddy Lee, when isolated, would probably sound the same thinking of 'Moving Pictures' tone.
I also agree with Kirk about bands having the courage to release these. Although they are still produced, it does lend to more open analysis.
It also really shows how much JM backs up and thickens JP's sound and tone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-kQsVk8K4c
Not as sloppy as Myung's track sounds, though that's understandable considering that Rush depends a lot more on Geddy's sound than DT depends on Myung's.
Having said that, I did bring up Myung and Mangini considerably in my mix.
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I was just messing around with Behind The Veil stems when I remembered that DT released the OTBOA stems... When they were made available I downloaded it after validating my physical copy of the album. But years after I lost the files, accidentally erased from my external hd. The download is not available anymore on DT's website, so... Anyone has any clue on how can I get them back?
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I was just messing around with Behind The Veil stems when I remembered that DT released the OTBOA stems... When they were made available I downloaded it after validating my physical copy of the album. But years after I lost the files, accidentally erased from my external hd. The download is not available anymore on DT's website, so... Anyone has any clue on how can I get them back?
Perhaps you can e-mail them?
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I never got this to work. Thanks for bringing back old, painful memories. :'(
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The stuff from the DT12 QR code is also gone from the site, unfortunately.
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The stuff from the DT12 QR code is also gone from the site, unfortunately.
Yeah, unfortunately. Glad I could catch it up in time! Well, at least that...
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The OTBOA stems are on Youtube
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The OTBOA stems are on Youtube
Yeah, but with YouTube's compression, you'd get better quality if you uploaded it to your dishwasher.
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The OTBOA stems are on Youtube
Yeah, but with YouTube's compression, you'd get better quality if you uploaded it to your dishwasher.
This. I've had the WAV files, light-years better than the crappy YT audios.