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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Jaffa on September 12, 2011, 12:08:36 PM
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We’ve all seen top ten threads and top fifty threads and ‘which is your favorite off each album’ threads. I, for one, am curious to see the other side of the coin. So, which Dream Theater songs do you dislike the most? Or, for those of you like myself who like pretty much every Dream Theater song, which songs do you like the least?
(Note to the mods: I’m posting this in the spirit of curiosity and good clean fun. I don’t mean for this thread to cause any trouble or anything. That being said, I do recognize that discussing what we dislike about the band could lead to some controversy, so if you’re worried about it, feel free to lock this.)
Anyway, my list is in alphabetical order (to avoid having to put it in any other order):
6:00
Just let Me Breathe
Raw Dog (Was initially The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun, before Ali mentioned Raw Dog)
Repentance
Status Seeker
Take Away My Pain
The Answer Lies Within
The Best of Times
The Great Debate
The Shattered Fortress
Keep in mind I said I like all Dream Theater songs, just, these least. :)
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All but The Killing hand and Ytse Jam off of WDADU so that's 6..
Lie
Anna Lee
Burning My Soul
Repentance
Edit* Burning My Soul replaced TBOT
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In chronological order-
WDADU (minus AFIL, Ytse Jam, TKH, Afterlife), which makes 4
Lie
Scarred
Space Dye Vest
You Not Me
Never Enough
Raw Dog
I can tolerate Lie and YNM, and the rest are about the only DT songs I could say I "hate". The rest of DT's songs I can at least tolerate and listen to without repulsion. That is one hell of a good hit rate.
edited in Raw Dog. Removed Endless Sacrifice. ;)
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My bottom 10 are these:
Repentance
Peruvian Skies
You Not Me
The Dark Eternal Night
Hollow Years
As I Am
Forsaken
Lie
Burning My Soul
Light Fuse And Get Away
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Scarred
Space Dye Vest
the rest are about the only DT songs I could say I "hate".
Thank you for making me feel less controversial about my own list. =D
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Status Seeker
Light Fuse and Get Away
Anna Lee
You Not Me
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Cover My Eyes
Speak To Me
Never Enough
6:00
Prophets of War
I pretty much strongly dislike/hate all these songs except Light Fuse and Get Away and The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun which is only possible because of the WDADRU recordings.
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Scarred
Space Dye Vest
the rest are about the only DT songs I could say I "hate".
Thank you for making me feel less controversial about my own list. =D
I don't see anything at all controversial about your list. :tup
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It's a little upsetting that I'm so torn between which DT song I hate the most... But I really want to change Repentence with The Answer Lies Within... I just hate them both so bad :lol
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I don't see anything at all controversial about your list. :tup
Heh, thanks. Thought I might catch a bit of a shitstorm for 6:00 and/or The Great Debate.
It's a little upsetting that I'm so torn between which DT song I hate the most... But I really want to change Repentence with The Answer Lies Within... I just hate them both so bad :lol
:lol Well, are you sure that you couldn't take off something from WDADU and include both?
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I like the vast majority of DT songs, but if I had to create a "bottom ten" list, here it is:
1. Through My Words (favorite of the bottom ten)
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls
3. Hollow Years
4. Regression
5. Another Day
6. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
7. Eve
8. Prophets Of War
9. Space-Dye Vest
10. You Not Me (least favorite)
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Not a fan of the ballads, bosky? :lol
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Depends on the ballad, really. Take Away My Pain, for example, ranks VERY highly on my list (as do Disappear and Vacant, although admittedly, those are not standard "ballads").
But in general, I definitely prefer the heavier, louder, and/or upbeat DT songs to the ballads.
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inb4 Raw Dog
In all seriousness, that is the only DT song that I really do not like, the only other songs I can think to put on my bottom ten are TSF and most of WDADU
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The Great Debate
What the FUCK, man?!
All joking aside, I very much enjoy that song, so we respectfully disagree. :biggrin:
inb4 Raw Dog
I'm actually a Raw Dog fan. Hate on it.
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@Ali: Forgot about that one, honestly. I'd probably put that at the very top of my list, bumping Through My Words.
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@Ali: Forgot about that one, honestly. I'd probably put that at the very top of my list, bumping Through My Words.
You didn't list it initially which means you LIKE it, Bosk. Do not deny it! :)
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inb4 Raw Dog
In all seriousness, that is the only DT song that I really do not like, the only other songs I can think to put on my bottom ten are TSF and most of WDADU
I don't know about anyone else, but I had just entirely forgotten that Raw Dog even existed. And I think I preferred it that way. So thanks for that.
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I still haven't heard Raw Dog, and I don't plan to any time soon. So I guess my list stands for now.
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The Great Debate
What the FUCK, man?!
All joking aside, I very much enjoy that song, so we respectfully disagree. :biggrin:
:) Well, at least we've got 6:00 in common, amirite?
inb4 Raw Dog
Holy shit you're right. 10 posts in a bottom ten thread before anyone mentioned Raw Dog? That's pretty amazing to me. And I love the fact that you're mentioning it is making people reconsider their lists. Including me.
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inb4 Raw Dog
In all seriousness, that is the only DT song that I really do not like, the only other songs I can think to put on my bottom ten are TSF and most of WDADU
I don't even count that POS as a DT song.. If I did it would have been first on my list.
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Taking my list from the (relatively) recent rank the songs thread, these were my 11 with the lowest rankings (Since I had several with the same rating). Although I hadn't ranked any of the WDADU at the time as I had never really spent too much time with the album.
Metropolis Pt 1
Space Dye-Vest
Vacant
Take the Time
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
Disappear
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Now realize that my bottom 11 DT songs still rank above the entire catalogue of other bands I like and listen to.
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1. Lost Not Forgotten
2. You Not Me
3. Status Seeker
4. Honor Thy Father
5. Burning My Soul
6. Innocence Faded
7. Space-Dye Vest
8. 6:00
9. Lie (if Derek is playing keyboards then it's worse than Scarred)
10. Scarred
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Through Her Eyes
Honor Thy Father
Endless Sacrifice
In the Name of God
These Walls
Forsaken
Repentance
These are the only DT songs I would describe as 'bad', but to finish the 10 i suppose:
In the Presence of Enemies
Wither
You Not Me
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I don't know, if I include WDADU, the Majesty Demoes, some of their unreleased stuff I'd probably find 10 songs I don't really like enough to even listen to much, or that are at the bottom end of those I do like (To Live Forever, Raw Dog). Taking them from JLB studio albums alone is a bit more difficult.
Through My Words
Through Her Eyes
Regression
You Not Me
Anna Lee
The Answer Lies Within
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Take Away My Pain
Burning My Soul
6:00
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Taking my list from the (relatively) recent rank the songs thread, these were my 11 with the lowest rankings (Since I had several with the same rating). Although I hadn't ranked any of the WDADU at the time as I had never really spent too much time with the album.
Metropolis Pt 1
Space Dye-Vest
Vacant
Take the Time
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
Disappear
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Now realize that my bottom 11 DT songs still rank above the entire catalogue of other bands I like and listen to.
There are some damn good songs in that list. :P
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Taking my list from the (relatively) recent rank the songs thread, these were my 11 with the lowest rankings (Since I had several with the same rating). Although I hadn't ranked any of the WDADU at the time as I had never really spent too much time with the album.
Metropolis Pt 1
Space Dye-Vest
Vacant
Take the Time
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
Disappear
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Now realize that my bottom 11 DT songs still rank above the entire catalogue of other bands I like and listen to.
YOU DISLIKE METROPOLIS?!!?! I mean... WTF MAN? Meanwhile.. half of those song are some of their better songs! DAMN YOU.
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1. Lost Not Forgotten
2. You Not Me
3. Status Seeker
4. Honor Thy Father
5. Burning My Soul
6. Innocence Faded
7. Space-Dye Vest
8. 6:00
9. Lie (if Derek is playing keyboards then it's worse than Scarred)
10. Scarred
I think it's a bit premature to be sticking ADTOE songs in there, but I must say that the second half of your list fills me with pride.
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Taking my list from the (relatively) recent rank the songs thread, these were my 11 with the lowest rankings (Since I had several with the same rating). Although I hadn't ranked any of the WDADU at the time as I had never really spent too much time with the album.
Metropolis Pt 1
Space Dye-Vest
Vacant
Take the Time
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
Disappear
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Now realize that my bottom 11 DT songs still rank above the entire catalogue of other bands I like and listen to.
There are some damn good songs in that list. :P
Including my very favorite DT song and two others from my top 15. =D
Interesting list, eviltwin.
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1 You Not Me
2 Just Let Me Breathe
3 Anna Lee
4 The Great Debate
5 The Best of Times
6 Never Enough
7 The Answer Lies Within
8 Take Away My Pain
9 Shattered Fortress
10 Constant Motion
Not a big fan of Endless Sacrifice either.
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I can't knock anything from WDADU, it's just not fair.
In no particular order:
Wither
I Walk Beside You
These walls
Innocence Faded
The Mirror
Eve
Sacrificed Sons
Burning My Soul
The Dark Eternal Night
The Ministry of Lost Souls (too bad, really, because it's an epic title)
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1. Lost Not Forgotten
2. You Not Me
3. Status Seeker
4. Honor Thy Father
5. Burning My Soul
6. Innocence Faded
7. Space-Dye Vest
8. 6:00
9. Lie (if Derek is playing keyboards then it's worse than Scarred)
10. Scarred
Wow this is a pretty surprising list. Scarred is easily a top 10 DT song for me, and Lost Not Forgotten could get there in time. The only song I don't like on this list is You Not Me.
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that POS
3xodus, that kind of comment can in no way be considered "constructive criticism." Either find a better way to articulate your thoughts or keep them to yourself.
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Taking my list from the (relatively) recent rank the songs thread, these were my 11 with the lowest rankings (Since I had several with the same rating). Although I hadn't ranked any of the WDADU at the time as I had never really spent too much time with the album.
Metropolis Pt 1 :o
Space Dye-Vest
Vacant
Take the Time
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
Disappear
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand :eek
Now realize that my bottom 11 DT songs still rank above the entire catalogue of other bands I like and listen to.
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In no particular order: You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Constant Motion, The Dark Eternal Night, Forsaken, A Rite of Passage. I'm tempted to throw ITPoE part 2 on here, but I don't think it's a train wreck along the lines of the 6 I've mentioned here.
The first two suffer from the Falling Into Infinity label disease, the next two from Systematic Chaos metal syndrome, "A Rite of Passage" from the autopilot virus, and "Forsaken" from the Twilight disorder.
I also didn't include Raw Dog because I don't consider it canon (just as I do with WDADU).
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Damn son, I see "Eve" on people's list. Most underrated DT instrumental IMO
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I think falling into infinity is one of their best albums, so most of these lists shocked me.
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100 - Two Far
101 - Hollow Years
102 - Your Majesty
103 - Lifting Shadows of a Dream
104 - Another Day
105 - A Fortune In Lies
106 - Light Fuse and Get Away
107 - Status Seeker
108 - The Silent Man
109 - Vital Star
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Taking my list from the (relatively) recent rank the songs thread, these were my 11 with the lowest rankings (Since I had several with the same rating). Although I hadn't ranked any of the WDADU at the time as I had never really spent too much time with the album.
Metropolis Pt 1
Space Dye-Vest
Vacant
Take the Time
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Beyond This Life
Disappear
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Now realize that my bottom 11 DT songs still rank above the entire catalogue of other bands I like and listen to.
There are some damn good songs in that list. :P
Including my very favorite DT song and two others from my top 15. =D
Interesting list, eviltwin.
I was actually a bit amazed at that list as well, but I thought the rankings from that thread were a decent snapshot of my opinions...and when my worst song has a 5 out of 10 ranking, nothing is that bad :P
The only song on that list that I am tempted to skip when I spin an album is New Millenium...not sure why, but many of the lyrics in that song bother me. The music itself is good though.
Also while Metropolis pt. 1 has some great parts I find it one of the least compelling songs on I&W.
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Damn son, I see "Eve" on people's list. Most underrated DT instrumental IMO
Eve is like one those girls you see from afar and you think she's pretty. Then you get close to her and not only is she meh, but when you blow in her ear she says "thanks for the refill".
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Constant Motion (the worst)
Raw Dog (ick)
You Not Me (terrible chorus ruins what could have been a good song)
Where Are You Now? (a recent listen revealed how clunky and weird the melodies in this song are)
Never Enough (the only good thing about this song is the riff, which isn't even theirs :lol)
Burning My Soul (like You Not Me, a better chorus would have helped big time)
Forsaken (great JP solo, but the chorus sounds like they were for a hook and completely missed the mark)
Status Seeker (not as bad as some make it out to be, but still not that good)
These Walls (boring)
Don't Look Past Me (not bad, but nothing notable)
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fuck, Don't Look Past Me is in your bottom 10?
I feel heartbroken. :(
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In no particular order:
Raw Dog
You Not Me
Burning My Soul
Repentance
Sacrificed Sons
Never Enough
Endless Sacrifice
The Shattered Fortress
Vacant
The Way It Used to Be (total cop out answer, as I just couldn't bring myself to put anything else there)
Yup, no WDADU, I&W, Awake, or 6DoIT there. Raw Dog, SS, Repentance, and The Shattered Fortress were the only ones I didn't have to think about as I routinely skip those songs (and thankfully Raw Dog isn't on a CD so I can just not play it). I've heard ADToE over 20 times and can safely say that my least favorite song from that album (Lost Not Forgotten) isn't near that list with a 10 foot clown on a unicycle pole.
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Damn son, I see "Eve" on people's list. Most underrated DT instrumental IMO
Eve is like one those girls you see from afar and you think she's pretty. Then you get close to her and not only is she meh, but when you blow in her ear she says "thanks for the refill".
:rollin
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I think falling into infinity is one of their best albums, so most of these lists shocked me.
I'm curious to see your list, then. A lot of people here consider FII one of their weakest albums, so your perspective should be pretty interesting. :)
Also, welcome to the forum.
Also also, I'm surprised by the general lack of Prophets of War in this thread. I was expecting it to be on pretty much everyone's lists, but so far only two have listed it.
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fuck, Don't Look Past Me is in your bottom 10?
I feel heartbroken. :(
It made it by default. I had the first nine and scrolled through their stuff in iTunes, and since that is the song I listen to the least from the rest, it made it. This Dying Soul would have normally made it, but I cranked up ToT the other day and that sounded a bit better than I remember (although the last two minutes is still the biggest WTF in their history). I could have easily picked Sacrificed Sons or Prophets of War as well.
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94. The Silent Man
95. Regression
96. Cover My Eyes
97. Anna Lee
98. Hollow Years
99. Honor Thy Father
100. Burning My Soul
101. The Dark Eternal Night
102. You Not Me
103. Raw Dog
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10. Beyond This Life
9. Through Her Eyes
8. Where Are You Now?
7. Honor Thy Father
6. You Not Me
5. Never Enough
4. This Dying Soul
3. Hollow Years
2. Raw Dog
1. The Dance Of Eternity
Barely escaped: Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.
Broke out of the list recently: Endless Sacrifice.
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It might be because FII was the new album when I discovered DT, but I had it as their 5th best album until ADToE came out. FII has some really great songs, but it also has two or three clunkers.
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Haven't considered any unreleased tracks and in chronological order.
Light Fuse and Get Away
Status Seeker
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
You Not Me
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Take Away My Pain
The Answer Lies Within
Repentance
The Best of Times
EDIT:
I don't hate any of those songs, if I'm listening to the albums I won't skip anything.
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Top Ten least favourite DT songs, in no particular order:
Repentance
The Great Debate
Lines in The Sand
Trial of Tears
Sacrificed Sons
In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1
In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Light Fuse and Get Away
Status Seeker
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No particular order:
The Dark Eternal Night
Prophets of War
The Best of Times
The Ministry of Lost Souls
You Not Me
Raw Dog
Forsaken
The Answer Lies Within
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
The Best of Times
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Also also, I'm surprised by the general lack of Prophets of War in this thread. I was expecting it to be on pretty much everyone's lists, but so far only two have listed it.
I consider PoW to be a DT "novelty" song.
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I think falling into infinity is one of their best albums, so most of these lists shocked me.
I'm curious to see your list, then. A lot of people here consider FII one of their weakest albums, so your perspective should be pretty interesting. :)
Also, welcome to the forum.
Also also, I'm surprised by the general lack of Prophets of War in this thread. I was expecting it to be on pretty much everyone's lists, but so far only two have listed it.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm only going to consider official discography, otherwise I would have list the majority of "A Change of Seasons".
So, in no particular order -
6:00
Sacrificed Sons
Status Seeker
The Best of Times
Act 1 Scene V: Through Her Eyes
A Rite of Passage
Innocence Faded (I love the end, but the song seems distant in its production)
Scarred
Vacant
Disappear
Also, pretty much all the special edition tracks off of Black Clouds. After hearing the new album, I'm glad that none of those songs made this list.
I've noticed that the Shattered Fortress makes a lot of lists. I used to agree, but I think the bridge in that song is one of the most beautiful in all of DT's music.
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Also, pretty much all the special edition tracks off of Black Clouds. After hearing the new album, I'm glad that none of those songs made this list.
Interesting. Just because you don't like covers in general, or you don't like these specific songs?
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You can't count covers. They're not DT songs.
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6:00
Just let Me Breathe
Repentance
The Answer Lies Within
The Great Debate
I don't understand this at all. Nor do I understand why people rank WDADU songs so low. The album may have terrible production and (arguably) vocals, but on WDADRU, the songs are incredible.
In no order:
You Not Me
Take Away My Pain
Burning My Soul
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Innocence Faded
Prophets of War
Peruvian Skies
Through Her Eyes
As I Am
Never Enough
The only ones I really dislike are You Not Me, Burning My Soul, and The Ministry of Lost Souls, though.
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Wow, 6:00 is on A LOT of lists. WHY?
.....i just don't understand....
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Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm only going to consider official discography, otherwise I would have list the majority of "A Change of Seasons".
You're welcome. :) Interesting list. And I'm glad you chose not to list anything from ACOS or BC&SL bonus tracks, because I agree with DTVT that covers don't count.
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Constant Motion (least fav)
You Not Me
Through My Words
Forsaken
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Lie
A Rite Of Passage
As I Am
Panic Attack
no order really.
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Wow, 6:00 is on A LOT of lists. WHY?
.....i just don't understand....
It's one of the few songs that as soon as I heard the intro, I knew I was going to dislike it.
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Cronological order with minor comments
1) 6:00 (cool drums intro, but I hate the rest as much as JLB does. And I think you can easily understand why he hates that song)
2) You not me (I remember JM saying he was ashamed while playing this staff live. Nothing else to add...)
3) Burning my soul (They have stolen that riff (?) from my 1st year guitar excercise book. And that is the whole song)
4) Just let me breathe (Was it supposed to be a dance-metal or an head banging song for the concerts? It used to be my beer-time song when it used to be very frequent in the setlists...it's just not a DT song, except for the short instrumental section)
5) Beyond this life (It has the only technical instrumental section that I don't like at all. I never loved the (few) Zappa influences)
6) The Glass Prison (IMHO the most overrated DT song. Good heavy riff and nice JP arpeggios-shredding. But the rest of the song is just a prequel of all the issues that will emerge later...forgettable melodies, unconnected riffs, ordinary solos...and it's the 1st chapter of the SAGA...DT career would have been better without the MP baby)
7) Honor Thy Father (very good initial riff followed again by all the metal things I dislike in DT...the grand father of the growl section in ANTR)
8) Panick attack (when they play it live, I'm never able to recognize this song 'til the very end...my brain simply doesn't like it)
9) Constant Motion.(constant pain. Just save the solo)
10) Repentance (...it's just boring...I like to play the guitar solo only because it's easy...)
ehm...special guest: New Millenium!! I forgot about it...(it's just too forgettable...)
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It was really difficult to come up with a list of bad songs from the guys, since I love the band very much. The ones I was certain about were the ones on Awake. I didn't like the general approach to that album, and I think the same is happening with ADTOE.
But for the rest of the list I just put the songs I seldom feel motivated to listen to, but that I don't really dislike. I could listen to You Not Me from beginning to end without making any ugly gesture.
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Cronological order with minor comments
1) 6:00 (cool drums intro, but I hate the rest as much as JLB does. And I think you can easily understand why he hates that song)
Has James actually said he doesn't like 6:00? Or is this just an assumption based on the lyrics or something.
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Cronological order with minor comments
1) 6:00 (cool drums intro, but I hate the rest as much as JLB does. And I think you can easily understand why he hates that song)
Has James actually said he doesn't like 6:00? Or is this just an assumption based on the lyrics or something.
My mistake!! It's New Millenium...I mixed the two openers while writing down the list...but, as mentioned above, sometimes I even forget about the existence of New Millenium...:)
https://www.prog-sphere.com/2011/07/11/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/
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Damn son, I see "Eve" on people's list. Most underrated DT instrumental IMO
THIS
Now, the list, no particular order:
-You Not Me (I know THIS is my least favorite, though)
-The Dark Eternal Night
-A Rite of Passage
-Just Let Me Breathe
-Status Seeker
-The Ones who Help to set the Sun
-Where Are You Now
-New Millennium
-As I Am
-Repentance
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WDADU
Forsaken
War Dog
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In no particular order:
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night
Repentance
A Rite of Passage
The Dance of Eternity
Forsaken
Burning My Soul
The Ytse Jam
A Nightmare to Remember
The Count of Tuscany
I wouldn't say I hate any of these songs, I just never have any desire to listen to them anymore.
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The Count of Tuscany
That's bold, thumbs up to you for that.
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1. A Nightmare to Remember (The growling earned it number 1)
2. Repentance
3. Prophets of War
4. The Shattered Fortress
5. Constant Motion
6. A Rite of Passage
7. The Best of Times
8. In the Presence of Enemies part 2
9. Octavarium (Never could get into this song)
10. Disappear (I know that a lot of people love this song and I totally respect that, but personally, it just doesn't do anything for me)
Feels good to get that off my chest.
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When I began this thread, I was especially curious to see if anyone would list Metropolis, Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, or Octavarium.
Two down, two to go.
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The Count of Tuscany
That's bold, thumbs up to you for that.
It just didn't age well for me.
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The Count of Tuscany
That's bold, thumbs up to you for that.
It just didn't age well for me.
Well they say, " ALL THE FINEST WINES, IMPROVE WITH AGE!!"
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All of WDADU except Ytse Jam and the killing hand.
You not Me
Burning my Soul
that's probably it, though I'm not too fond of Pull me uner either...I think I'd almost be more happy to see Burning my soul than PMU so yeah
You not me
Pull me under
There arw a couple of more songs that are fairly weak, like Scarred.
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1. Honor Thy Father
2-9. Honor Thy Father
10. Honor Thy Father.
;D
(Yes, of course, there are other DT songs I'm less than fond of. Honor Thy Father is the only one I legitimately hate.)
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From best to worst:
1. Under a Glass Moon
2. Vacant
3. Prophets of War
4. Stream of Consciousness
5. Burning My Soul
6. Never Enough
7. You Not Me
8. Innocence Faded
9. Caught in a Web
10. Afterlife
>9000. Cover My Eyes
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The Count of Tuscany
That's bold, thumbs up to you for that.
It just didn't age well for me.
Well they say, " ALL THE FINEST WINES, IMPROVE WITH AGE!!"
Obviously, it wasn't one of the finer wines.
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The Count of Tuscany
That's bold, thumbs up to you for that.
It just didn't age well for me.
Well they say, " ALL THE FINEST WINES, IMPROVE WITH AGE!!"
Obviously, it wasn't one of the finer wines.
I really like it, but mabe not as much as I used to.
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I have a hard time picking 10... Just off the top of my head from the albums. Some of these are a bit of a stretch since I don't hate on them that much.
WDADU: Status Seeker, Light Fuse and Get Away
FII: You Not Me, Anna Lee
Octavarium: The Answer Lies Within
Systematic Chaos: Forsaken, The Dark Eternal Night, Repentance
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wow i just realized i must be a major DT fanboy because ive been reading through everyones lists and i keep saying "I LOVE THAT SONG!"..lol..i guess if i absolutely had to pick a least favorite i would say "You Not Me"..but i still kinda like that song.
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*holding breath* here goes......ahhh.... the water IS just fine!! First Post !! Been lurking for years and signed up over at the new place (with -DTF on my name) so thought I better make it official and join. Have spent untold hours enjoying so many of you, feel like I know many of you.
Only 3 songs keep me from being 100% fanboy, Dark Eternal, Burning My Soul and the only song I am embarrassed to share with my many DT converts - POW.
Again, Hi to all and thanks for all the infotainment over the years !
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*holding breath* here goes......ahhh.... the water IS just fine!! First Post !! Been lurking for years and signed up over at the new place (with -DTF on my name) so thought I better make it official and join. Have spent untold hours enjoying so many of you, feel like I know many of you.
Only 3 songs keep me from being 100% fanboy, Dark Eternal, Burning My Soul and the only song I am embarrassed to share with my many DT converts - POW.
Again, Hi to all and thanks for all the infotainment over the years !
Hey man, that's awesome! :lol
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*holding breath* here goes......ahhh.... the water IS just fine!! First Post !! Been lurking for years and signed up over at the new place (with -DTF on my name) so thought I better make it official and join. Have spent untold hours enjoying so many of you, feel like I know many of you.
Only 3 songs keep me from being 100% fanboy, Dark Eternal, Burning My Soul and the only song I am embarrassed to share with my many DT converts - POW.
Again, Hi to all and thanks for all the infotainment over the years !
Welcome to the forum, buddy. :)
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Jesus, people putting songs like Scarred, The Great Debate, Status Seeker, Disappear, Vacant, Stream of Consciousness, Innocence Faded, Under a Glass Moon, even Octavarium and Metropolis Pt. 1.. What the hell is going on there?
I can't for the love of God do 10, so here's just 4 songs I really dislike.
You Not Me
Honor Thy Father
Just Let Me Breathe
Prophets of War
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Jesus, people putting songs like Scarred, The Great Debate, Status Seeker, Disappear, Vacant, Stream of Consciousness, Innocence Faded, Under a Glass Moon, even Octavarium and Metropolis Pt. 1.. What the hell is going on there?
I can't for the love of God do 10, so here's just 4 songs I really dislike.
You Not Me
Honor Thy Father
Just Let Me Breathe
Prophets of War
Tastes vary I guess. For instance I can't for the life of me fathom how anyone can put Honor Thy Father in their bottom 10 lol
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*holding breath* here goes......ahhh.... the water IS just fine!! First Post !! Been lurking for years and signed up over at the new place (with -DTF on my name) so thought I better make it official and join. Have spent untold hours enjoying so many of you, feel like I know many of you.
Only 3 songs keep me from being 100% fanboy, Dark Eternal, Burning My Soul and the only song I am embarrassed to share with my many DT converts - POW.
Again, Hi to all and thanks for all the infotainment over the years !
Welcome aboard! :biggrin:
PoW makes me giggle, but it's the last thing I would ever share with someone I was trying to "convert". :blush
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There isn't enough Forsaken hate in this thread.
That being said, Forsaken ranks 1-10 in my bottom DT songs.
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Jesus, people putting songs like Scarred, The Great Debate, Status Seeker, Disappear, Vacant, Stream of Consciousness, Innocence Faded, Under a Glass Moon, even Octavarium and Metropolis Pt. 1.. What the hell is going on there?
I think it's pretty entertaining. :lol
I'm kind of amazed at the number of replies, though. I figured this had about a 50% chance of flopping on its first page.
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No particular order.
1.) Octavarium
2-8.) *cough train of thought* ( I like the album, but none of the songs ever really appeal to me)
9.) Raw Dog
10.) TBOT
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wow i just realized i must be a major DT fanboy because ive been reading through everyones lists and i keep saying "I LOVE THAT SONG!"..lol..i guess if i absolutely had to pick a least favorite i would say "You Not Me"..but i still kinda like that song.
I'll admit that I find You Not Me to be one of the best songs on FII... I said it :p
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Here we go. Starting with my least favourite:
1. Raw dog (heard it twice. It didn't have any potential and was so bad it made me angry) >:(
2. You not me (hate it)
3. Constant Motion (hate that terrible riff and the metallica-feel of the song :tdwn
4. I walk beside you (sounds too u2)
5. The Dark Eternal Night (hate the vocal effects and the lyrics)
6. Wither (I guess it's ok but I think it's a little boring)
7. The Shattered Fortress (heard everything before etc )
8. Anna Lee
9. A rite of passage (this is the point where I actually can enjoy listening to the songs)
10. Forsaken (I enjoy it a little, but I would be dissapointed if they are playing it on a concert I'm attending.)
Could have made a new list of songs that have lyrics I hate. But I can generally say that I don't like the lyrics that are telling stories about evil creatures and such. I think petrucci has written most of those lyrics. Examples: The Dark Eternal Night, Forsaken, The Count Of Tuscany. It's all so superficial...
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1.) Octavarium
:omg:
1. As I Am
2. Burning My Soul
3. You Not Me
4. Another Day
5. Stream of Conciousness
6. Never Enough
7. The Shattered Fortress
8. I Walk Beside You
9. Just Let Me Breathe
10. Panic Attack
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All of them except for SDV
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10. The Killing Hand
9. To Live Forever
8. The Dance of Eternity
7. Through My Words
6. Endless Sacrifice
5. Light Fuse and Get Away
4. I Walk Beside You
3. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
2. Burning My Soul
1. Status Seeker
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YES! ARIICH POSTED! MY DAY IS MADE! :biggrin:
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10. Panic Attack
9. On the Backs of Angels
8. In the Presence of Enemies - Part II
7. A Rite of Passage
6. Honor Thy Father
5. The Great Debate
4. Sacrificed Sons
3. Prophets of War
2. The Dark Eternal Night
1. Never Enough
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I can do this. There are about 10 songs from DT that I almost dislike.
I will not include any Majesty demos.
I always default to "The Answer Lies Within" as my least favorite. Nothing has changed. Maybe it will tomorrow with the new album, but I doubt that... I think the band is on the right track.
The Answer Lies Within is like a big block of nothing. I kind of understand why Dream Theater would step outside the comfort zone, and try this kind of uneventful, pretty track... but it just doesn't do much for me.
soo uh...
The Answer Lies Within
Eve
Speak To Me
Where Are You Now
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
The Killing Hand
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
You Not Me
This Dying Soul
and I think that says good things for the band that I only had to pull from 4 different albums, and also selected songs that THE BAND themselves pushed aside back in '97.
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Never Enough (My least favorite by a significant margin)
The Answer Lies Within
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night
Prophets of War
Forsaken
Octavarium
A Rite of Passage
Repentance
Raw Dog (to be fair, I've only made it about a minute into it, but that may be my single least favorite minute of DT music ever recorded)
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Top 3 are my least favorite DT songs ever, and the rest are songs I just find mediocre.
1. Prophets Of War
2. The Best Of Times
3. Never Enough
4. You Not Me
5. Raw Dog
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Burning My Soul
8. A Rite Of Passage
9. A Nightmare to Remember
10. Status Seeker
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Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breath
Panic Attack
most of SC
Light the Fuse and Get Away
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun
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Top 3 are my least favorite DT songs ever, and the rest are songs I just find mediocre.
1. Prophets Of War
2. The Best Of Times
3. Never Enough
4. You Not Me
5. Raw Dog
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Burning My Soul
8. A Rite Of Passage
9. A Nightmare to Remember
10. Status Seeker
I'm just quoting your post so that you'll know I'm NOT IGNORING YOUR POSTS. Because you are actually likable, you liar.
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In chronological order (Probably not exactly 10, either):
Status Seeker (Average Rush song Rush didn't write)
Ytse Jam (Great instrumental work, but doesn't stick with me)
Light Fuse And Get Away
Those Who Set... (Good, but DT would do better on a mostly consistent basis from I&W onwards)
Anna Lee (DT is not Elton John, and shouldn't try to be Elton John. Only Elton John can do a good job at being Elton John)
Through Her Eyes
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On (3 boring, boring, ballads)
I like many things in Never Enough (esp. the electronica shit and the drum-work), though it's probably my least favorite on 8thalbum. Though that's like my 3rd favorite DT. And everything on it is very well worth the money and more.
Forsaken (Fun, but not much to it)
I dunno, maybe the 2 shorter songs on BC&SL are only good, as opposed to being super-duper, but they're still good.
(Fuck, it's hard to come up with negative things to say about DT.)
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In chronological order (Probably not exactly 10, either):
Status Seeker (Average Rush song Rush didn't write)
Ytse Jam (Great instrumental work, but doesn't stick with me)
Light Fuse And Get Away
Those Who Set... (Good, but DT would do better on a mostly consistent basis from I&W onwards)
Anna Lee (DT is not Elton John, and shouldn't try to be Elton John. Only Elton John can do a good job at being Elton John)
Through Her Eyes
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On (3 boring, boring, ballads)
I like many things in Never Enough (esp. the electronica shit and the drum-work), though it's probably my least favorite on 8thalbum. Though that's like my 3rd favorite DT. And everything on it is very well worth the money and more.
Forsaken (Fun, but not much to it)
I dunno, maybe the 2 shorter songs on BC&SL are only good, as opposed to being super-duper, but they're still good.
(Fuck, it's hard to come up with negative things to say about DT.)
Looks like ten to me. :)
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Worst 10 (album only):
1: Prophets of War (can't stand the techno vibe here...)
2: Lie (Great solos, but I think the song doesn't run smoothly...)
3: Constant Motion (meh, bad vocals)
4: The Best of Times (hate the poor rhymes here... Okay with Day... but the solo is top5 best Petrucci solos)
5: Anna Lee (Dunno, I find this the DT's weakest balad ever)
6: The Shattered Fortress (Hate the reprises, hate 3:44~4:10... "If you're not sure, ASK YOURSELF... lyrics are just thrown there)
7: Space Dye Vest (Intro piano sounds good, but the song itself doesn't represent much)
8: Through Her Eyes (Isn't a bad song, I just think it's weak within an epic album)
9: The Ones to Help to Set the Sun (Strange song...)
10: Rite of Passage (just because of Bebot solo)
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Top 3 are my least favorite DT songs ever, and the rest are songs I just find mediocre.
1. Prophets Of War
2. The Best Of Times
3. Never Enough
4. You Not Me
5. Raw Dog
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Burning My Soul
8. A Rite Of Passage
9. A Nightmare to Remember
10. Status Seeker
I'm just quoting your post so that you'll know I'm NOT IGNORING YOUR POSTS. Because you are actually likable, you liar.
Name calling. Reported.
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Up to about number 7 are songs I actively dislike, as in I will skip them immediately if they come up on the album/ipod/whatever. The last 3 are just songs that I find mediocre or mostly forgettable. A Rite of Passage Almost made the list, just for the bebot solo, but otherwise it's a pretty decent song.
1. Raw Dog
2. The Shattered Fortress
3. The Dance of Eternity
4. Prophets of War
5. A Nightmare to Remember
6. Endless Sacrifice
7. Burning My Soul
8. Constant Motion
9. Surrounded
10. Anna Lee
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These first three are my least favourite:
Raw Dog
You Not Me
Burning My Soul
The next 7 are highly above it. In fact, I rarely skip them.
Forsaken
Prophets of War
New Millenium
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
A Rite of Passage
Anna Lee
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The Dance of Eternity: Sorry, it may be mathematically beautiful, but it's utterly unlistenable as a piece of music
Repentance: Song would be bearable if it was half the length
Hell's Kitchen: Had potential but that god-awful guitar solo just kills the song.
Pretty much all of SDOIT CD #1: Complete lack of musical hooks. The only thing salvageable is the riff in Glass Prison, and some of Misunderstood
Vacant: Bo-ring.
Anna Lee: I appreciate it melodically, but I find myself skipping to the next track every time it comes on
Peruvian Skies: (Same as above)
The Ministry of Lost Souls: Meh.
The Best of Times: Lyrics and song don't match
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Pretty much all of SDOIT CD #1: Complete lack of musical hooks. The only thing salvageable is the riff in Glass Prison, and some of Misunderstood
:omg: :omg:
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Pretty much all of SDOIT CD #1: Complete lack of musical hooks. The only thing salvageable is the riff in Glass Prison, and some of Misunderstood
:omg: :omg:
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In no particular order:
Bad songs:
You Not Me
Prophets of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Honor Thy Father
Burning My Soul
Lost Not Forgotten
The Dark Eternal Night
A Nightmare to Remember
Endless Sacrifice
Raw Dog
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In no particular order
In The Presence of Enemies
Forsaken
Constant Motion
Repentance
Prophets of War
Lie
Wow...after that it gets alot harder. I even like the Majesty demos more than I like listening to the songs I've listed. I was trying to think of "skip" tracks from the entire DT catalog, and this is honestly all I could come up with...and even Repentance is OK when it's played as part of the entire 12 step suite. I suppose I could add You Not Me and Status Seeker...but I still love those songs. Seems a shame to put them on the same list with the above songs which I actively cannot stand.
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The amount of WDADU hate makes me :sadpanda:
Yes, I know James isn't singing it, and yes the production sucks...but it really has some good stuff and I think many people don't give it a fair shake. Not saying its even in the top half of DT's discography, but its a good record held back by cheap production.
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The amount of WDADU hate makes me :sadpanda:
Yes, I know James isn't singing it, and yes the production sucks...but it really has some good stuff and I think many people don't give it a fair shake. Not saying its even in the top half of DT's discography, but its a good record held back by cheap production.
Yeah but production quality factors highly in my enjoyment of music, so it shouldn't be discounted. But to be honest, even on the merits of song-writing alone most of the songs lack the same depth and artistic maturity found on later releases. In my eyes the one good thing WDADU has going for it is the sheer joy of a young band writing music and trying to prove themselves that's so evident in the sound, which is why I really like the versions on LATM (esp. A Fortune in Lies).
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I feel like crying when I see The Ministry of lost souls in someone's bottom 10.
I'll give this a shot, although in chronological order.
The Ones who help to set the sun
The Killing hand
The Silent man
You not me
Take away my pain
Anna Lee
Honor thy father
The Answer lies within
Sacrificed sons
The Shattered fortress
And even most of these are far from being bad, actually.
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In no particular order
In The Presence of Enemies
Forsaken
Constant Motion
Repentance
Prophets of War
Lie
Damn, Systematic Chaos must have been a disappointing album for you :'( :lol
I feel like crying when I see The Ministry of lost souls in someone's bottom 10.
Same here :sad: I never would have guessed it was so disliked before I joined the forum. But then I'm sure plenty of people could say the same thing about songs in my list, or anyone elses. It's really interesting how different peoples tastes can be, even within the music of just one particular band.
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1.Silent man - and stay silent...
2.Status seeker - but I like WDADU
3.Hollow Years - no comment
4.Disappear - disappears from my playlists...
5.Blind faith - boring ( 6DOIT Disc1 is meh with Misunderstood being great, TGP ok and TGD ok)
6.Wither - I'm helpless
7.You not me - this one is for you, not me
8.Burming my soul - burns my ears
9.Scarified sons - not bad, but I don't like it
10.Surrounded - By the time I bought I&W, the only song I would skip. (1992) I like it but not worthy of being in I&W. Would not be in my list if in 6DOIT Disc 1
The comments are only for fun I actually don't hate any of these songs, but there are for sure much better songs in DT catalogue. I think a lot of bands would be proud of songs like these.
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We’ve all seen top ten threads and top fifty threads and ‘which is your favorite off each album’ threads. I, for one, am curious to see the other side of the coin. So, which Dream Theater songs do you dislike the most? Or, for those of you like myself who like pretty much every Dream Theater song, which songs do you like the least?
(Note to the mods: I’m posting this in the spirit of curiosity and good clean fun. I don’t mean for this thread to cause any trouble or anything. That being said, I do recognize that discussing what we dislike about the band could lead to some controversy, so if you’re worried about it, feel free to lock this.)
Anyway, my list is in alphabetical order (to avoid having to put it in any other order):
6:00
Just let Me Breathe
Raw Dog (Was initially The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun, before Ali mentioned Raw Dog)
Repentance
Status Seeker
Take Away My Pain
The Answer Lies Within
The Best of Times
The Great Debate
The Shattered Fortress
Keep in mind I said I like all Dream Theater songs, just, these least. :)
nice to see Best of Times on there -- I think its among DT's least strong
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Take Away My Pain
The Answer Lies Within
Forsaken
I Walk Beside You
Vacant
Prophets of War
Sacrificed Sons
Never Enough
In My Words
Through Her Eyes
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Wow.....this would have been literally impossible a week ago without the new album, really hard to come up with 10:
The Answer Lies Within
One Last Time
Just Let Me Breathe
You Not Me
Far From Heaven
Beneath The Surface
Shattered Fortress
Wither
Hollow Years
Through My Words
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not much of a fan of these....
6:00
Wither
The Ministry of Lost Souls
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Repentance
Raw Dog
Anna Lee
Regression
Take Away My Pain
Sacrificed Sons
The One Who Help To Set The Sun
The Silent Man
ahh, i cant think about more
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1-7: Systematic Chaos
8: The Answer Lies Within
9: The Answer Lies Within
10: The Answer Lies Within
In fact, I'll just say it, "The Answer Lies Within" is the worst song, by far, the band has ever written.
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Beneath The Surface
:(
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Systematic Chaos
Raw Dog
Burning My Soul
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(Ignoring WDADU tbh, don't know it that well)
In no particular order..
You Not Me
Burning My Soul
The Dark Eternal Knight
Raw Dog
Prophets of war
Never enough
Just Let me breathe
The Great Debate
Honor thy father
Panic Attack
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I’ve compiled a list of songs voted for in this thread and how many votes each song received. I really don’t know why I took the time to do this. But I did, so here it is.
Number of votes - song title
34 - You Not Me
27 - Burning My Soul
19 - Prophets Of War
18 - Forsaken
18 - Raw Dog
18 - Repentance
18 - Status Seeker
16 - The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
15 - Never Enough
15 - The Dark Eternal Night
14 - Anna Lee
12 - A Rite of Passage
12 - Constant Motion
12 - Just let Me Breathe
12 - Light Fuse and Get Away
12 - The Answer Lies Within
11 - Honor Thy Father
11 - The Shattered Fortress
10 - The Best of Times
10 - The Ministry of Lost Souls
9 - Sacrificed Sons
8 - Hollow Years
8 - Take Away My Pain
7 - 6:00
7 - A Fortune In Lies
7 - Lie
7 - Through Her Eyes
7 - Vacant
7 - Wither
6 - As I Am
6 - Panic Attack
6 - Through My Words
5 - Endless Sacrifice
5 - I Walk Beside You
5 - In the Presence of Enemies (parts 1 and 2 together)
5 - Innocence Faded
5 - Space Dye-Vest
5 - The Dance of Eternity
5 - The Great Debate
5 - The Silent Man
4 - A Nightmare To Remember
4 - Afterlife
4 - Disappear
4 - Regression
4 - Scarred
4 - The Killing Hand
4 - Where Are You Now?
3 - Another Day
3 - Beyond This Life
3 - Cover My Eyes
3 - Eve
3 - In the Presence of Enemies (part 2 specifically)
3 - New Millennium
3 - Octavarium
3 - Only A Matter of Time
3 - Peruvian Skies
3 - Stream of Consciousness
3 - The Ytse Jam
3 - These Walls
3 - This Dying Soul
2 - Hell’s Kitchen
2 - In the Name of God
2 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
2 - Lines In The Sand
2 - One Last Time
2 - Speak To Me
2 - Surrounded
1 - Beneath The Surface
1 - Blind Faith
1 - Caught In a Web
1 - Don't Look Past Me
1 - Far From Heaven
1 - Lost Not Forgotten
1 - Metropolis Part 1
1 - On the Backs of Angels
1 - Pull Me Under
1 - Take The Time
1 - The Count of Tuscany
1 - The Glass Prison
1 - The Mirror
1 - The Spirit Carries On
1 - The Way It Used To Be
1 - To Live Forever
1 - Trial of Tears
1 - Two Far
1 - Under A Glass Moon
1 - Vital Star
1 - Your Majesty
I cannot vouch for the perfect accuracy of this count. I probably made some mistakes, counted some lists twice, missed some lists. If anyone wants to double check me and provide a more accurate count, be my guest. :P
Also, some lists said ‘most of WDADU’ or ‘most of Systematic Chaos.’ I didn’t count these, just because I didn’t know which specific songs to count.
Oh, by the way, feel free to keep posting lists, peoples.
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In chronological order-
WDADU (minus AFIL, Ytse Jam, TKH, Afterlife), which makes 4
Lie
Scarred
Space Dye Vest
You Not Me
Never Enough
Raw Dog
I can tolerate Lie and YNM, and the rest are about the only DT songs I could say I "hate". The rest of DT's songs I can at least tolerate and listen to without repulsion. That is one hell of a good hit rate.
edited in Raw Dog. Removed Endless Sacrifice. ;)
Scarred? Really?
My list would have to go (in no particular order):
1. A Rite of Passage
2. You Not Me
3. Take Away My Pain
4. Forsaken
5. Constant Motion
6. As I Am
7. A Fortune in Lies
8. The Dark Eternal Night
9. The Silent Man
10. Repetance
If it werent for a few songs from Falling Into Infinity, A Fortune in Lies, and A Rite of Passage, all of Systematic Chaos would be on that list.
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The Shattered Fortress
Just Let me Breathe
New Millenium
Surrounded
Forsaken
Only A Matter of Time
The Ones Who Help Set The Sun
The Killing Hand
Ytse jam
Prophets Of War
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In chronological order-
WDADU (minus AFIL, Ytse Jam, TKH, Afterlife), which makes 4
Lie
Scarred
Space Dye Vest
You Not Me
Never Enough
Raw Dog
I can tolerate Lie and YNM, and the rest are about the only DT songs I could say I "hate". The rest of DT's songs I can at least tolerate and listen to without repulsion. That is one hell of a good hit rate.
edited in Raw Dog. Removed Endless Sacrifice. ;)
Scarred? Really?
My list would have to go (in no particular order):
1. A Rite of Passage
2. You Not Me
3. Take Away My Pain
4. Forsaken
5. Constant Motion
6. As I Am
7. A Fortune in Lies
8. The Dark Eternal Night
9. The Silent Man
10. Repetance
If it werent for a few songs from Falling Into Infinity, A Fortune in Lies, and A Rite of Passage, all of Systematic Chaos would be on that list.
That was pretty much the way I felt about SC as well. But for some reason, I *LOVE* The Dark Eternal Night. Seems weird, because that song seems to encompass alot of what everyone (including me) hate about that album...but for some reason (for me) the riff on TDEN just saves it. Hate everything else on the album...love that song...I don't know why.
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Scarred? Really?
Hell yes really. :tdwn
Also, some lists said ‘most of WDADU’ or ‘most of Systematic Chaos.’ I didn’t count these, just because I didn’t know which specific songs to count.
I hope you counted mine, since I gave the specific exclusions. Also because WDADU deserves it. :biggrin:
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Just gonna list my least fave off each album.
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun (Too long of a title for starters)
Surrounded (Love the song, just love the rest of I&W more)
Lifting Shadows (zzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
Take Away My Pain (they really should have went with the demo version)
One Last Time (Not a bad song, just... eh)
Misunderstood (That outro...)
Honor Thy Father (could have used a JP solo)
The Answer Lies Within (See Lifting Shadows)
Prophets Of War (you know why)
(can't pick one for Black Clouds)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (kinda early to say... but it's missing something)
Also I never cared for Speak To Me.
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Also, some lists said ‘most of WDADU’ or ‘most of Systematic Chaos.’ I didn’t count these, just because I didn’t know which specific songs to count.
I hope you counted mine, since I gave the specific exclusions. Also because WDADU deserves it. :biggrin:
:lol Yes, I counted yours. I also counted ones that said 'All' of SC or WDADU.
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The 9 songs on ADToE plus 6.00
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I feel like crying when I see The Ministry of lost souls in someone's bottom 10.
Agree 100% with this. The outro is worth the price of admission. Makes me feel like I am floating, sort of like the end of Rush's Marathon.
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The 9 songs on ADToE plus 6.00
Harsh. Maybe a little too soon?
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Scarred? Really?
Hell yes really. :tdwn
Also, some lists said ‘most of WDADU’ or ‘most of Systematic Chaos.’ I didn’t count these, just because I didn’t know which specific songs to count.
I hope you counted mine, since I gave the specific exclusions. Also because WDADU deserves it. :biggrin:
For some reason I really love most of WDADU. It reminds me alot of old Saga in a way. Kind of a combo between Saga and Rush. I dont know, its nice to just put it on as background music if friends are over.
But I really don't like SC. It just sounds terrible all the way through.
Funny thing is, I am starting my vinyl collection, and SC was the first to show up (I have to have all of DT's vinyls, even the terrible ones :)).
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The 9 songs on ADToE plus 6.00
Harsh. Maybe a little too soon?
No. His opinion is just invalid. 6:00 is his other least favourite.
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The 9 songs on ADToE plus 6.00
Harsh. Maybe a little too soon?
No. His opinion is just invalid. 6:00 is his other least favourite.
agreed
(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/19362_231206873631_514418631_3085662_7342425_n1.jpg)
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Build Me Up,Break Me Down
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
You Not Me
Just Let Me Breath
Never Enough
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Constant Motion
This Dying Soul
The Ministry of Souls
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1.Silent man - and stay silent...
2.Status seeker - but I like WDADU
3.Hollow Years - no comment
4.Disappear - disappears from my playlists...
5.Blind faith - boring ( 6DOIT Disc1 is meh with Misunderstood being great, TGP ok and TGD ok)
6.Wither - I'm helpless
9.Scarified sons - not bad, but I don't like it
10.Surrounded - By the time I bought I&W, the only song I would skip. (1992) I like it but not worthy of being in I&W. Would not be in my list if in 6DOIT Disc 1
You, get out. Horrible person.
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1) You Not Me
2) Burning My Soul
3) Just Let Me Breathe
4) A Nightmare to Remember
5) I Walk Beside You
6) Prophets of War
7) Constant Motion
8) As I Am
9) Endless Sacrifice
0) A Rite of Passage
No real order I suppose, You Not Me clearly #1 though...
Burning My Soul and Just Let Me Breathe, I used to like a bit until I started posting on here and realizing the awful lyrics...
A Nightmare to Remember never stuck with me... I Walk Beside You? Really? Pissed they wasted this song on April 1st 2006... Prophets of War? Ugh, nothing on SC did anything for me... Constant Motion too! As I Am and Endless Sacrifice have some terrible choruses IMO... A Rite of Passage is definitely nothing special...
Didn't use WDADU since I only really listen to the songs I love,
Only A Matter of Time and YTSE Jam, as well as Afterlife and A Fortune In Lies...
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1. You Not Me
2. Burning My Soul
3. Anna Lee
4. The Great Debate
5. Honor Thy Father
6. Take Away My Pain
7. Prophets Of War
8. Ravenskill
9. Repentance
10. Just Let Me Breathe
Yeah, I really hate FII.
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Oh, is it that time of the month again?
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My ten least favorite DT songs are:
Light Fuse and Get Away
6:00
You Not Me
Anna Lee
Panic Attack
Never Enough
Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Enemy Inside
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
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I consider all these pretty bad by DT standards:
Only a Matter of Time
The Best of Times
Raw Dog
Brother Can You Hear Me
Losing Faythe
Whispers on the Wind
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (good job on the new album, DT :tup)
Then comes these and achieve to be even worse:
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Prophets of War
False Awakening Suite
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"Meh" tier:
6:00
War Inside My Head
Just Let Me Breathe
"Ugh" tier:
Anna Lee
Wither
Far From Heaven
"Just no" tier:
The Looking Glass
Enigma Machine
Hymn Of A Thousand Voices
+ The entire WDADU.
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01) New Millennium
02) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
03) A Fortune In Lies
04) Eve
05) This Dying Soul
06) A Rite of Passage
07) The Bigger Picture
08) Light Fuse and Getaway
09) Hollow Years
10) Endless Sacrifice
EDIT: I completely forgot about Innocence Faded (shows how little a think of the song). That would probably go in between AFiL and Eve, which would boot ES from the list.
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05) This Dying Soul
07) The Bigger Picture
10) Endless Sacrifice
You hurt me. :(
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1. You not me
2. The Ones who help to set the sun
3. Sacrificed sons
4. Take away my pain
5. Status seeker
6. Behind the veil
7. The Shattered fortress
8. Losing Faythe
9. Anna Lee
10. The Answer
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4. The Great Debate
5. Honor Thy Father
8. Ravenskill
9. Repentance
Anna Lee
Panic Attack
Forsaken
The Enemy Inside
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
I consider all these pretty bad by DT standards:
The Best of Times
Brother Can You Hear Me
Losing Faythe
Whispers on the Wind
Hymn of a Thousand Voices
Then comes these and achieve to be even worse:
False Awakening Suite
"Meh" tier:
6:00
War Inside My Head
"Ugh" tier:
Anna Lee
Wither
Far From Heaven
"Just no" tier:
The Looking Glass
Enigma Machine
Hymn Of A Thousand Voices
+ The entire WDADU.
01) New Millennium
02) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
05) This Dying Soul
07) The Bigger Picture
09) Hollow Years
10) Endless Sacrifice
Damn. :'(
What is actually the point of this thread? It just seems to be an outlet for negativity.
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What is actually the point of this thread? It just seems to be an outlet for negativity.
As the person who started this thread about four and a half years ago, I can tell you that the point of this thread is essentially the same as the point of any other thread: to have interesting discussions. I'm sorry that you don't like negativity, but not every song can be everyone's personal favorite, and I don't see anything wrong with talking about the ones we don't like as much.
And now that the thread has been revived, I'm pretty interested to look back at my own list and see if my opinions have changed over the last few years.
6:00
Just let Me Breathe
Raw Dog (Was initially The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun, before Ali mentioned Raw Dog)
Repentance
Status Seeker
Take Away My Pain
The Answer Lies Within
The Best of Times
The Great Debate
The Shattered Fortress
None of these have become favorites of mine, but some of them have definitely grown on me. Especially Just Let Me Breathe and Take Away My Pain. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm a lot more fond of Falling Into Infinity as a whole than I used to be.
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What is actually the point of this thread? It just seems to be an outlet for negativity.
As the person who started this thread about four and a half years ago, I can tell you that the point of this thread is essentially the same as the point of any other thread: to have interesting discussions. I'm sorry that you don't like negativity, but not every song can be everyone's personal favorite, and I don't see anything wrong with talking about the ones we don't like as much.
I admittedly overreacted there, sorry. I just don't see that much discussion going on. Just ranking and the occasional "omg I can't believe you put that that low" (which I am admittedly a part of).
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No worries! Your point is completely fair. I didn't mean to argue with you, only to explain why I originally created the thread. :)
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No worries! Your point is completely fair. I didn't mean to argue with you, only to explain why I originally created the thread. :)
Cool. :tup
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What is actually the point of this thread? It just seems to be an outlet for negativity.
This thread is child's play. If you're up for some true negativity, let me free of the chains that imprison me and go on about modern DT. :loser:
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What is actually the point of this thread? It just seems to be an outlet for negativity.
This thread is child's play. If you're up for some true negativity, let me free of the chains that imprison me and go on about modern DT. :loser:
Well, be my guest. It's not likely to change my opinion of the newer stuff being brilliant, though.
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I'm joking with you. And i surely don't wanna be banned :-X
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Anna Lee
Panic Attack
Forsaken
The Enemy Inside
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Damn. :'(
What is actually the point of this thread? It just seems to be an outlet for negativity.
Where's the negativity? I didn't I hate the songs or that the songs are terrible. They're just my least favorite. Care to expound on this?
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Where's the negativity? I didn't I hate the songs or that the songs are terrible. They're just my least favorite. Care to expound on this?
I admitted I was overreacting when I was replying to Jaffa. Ignore my first comment.
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Since counting most of WDADU is a cop out, here's my bottom ten only including studio albums (Not Raw Dog) and excluding WDADU:
A Rite of Passage
Anna Lee
As I Am
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Just Let Me Breathe
Take Away My Pain
Lost Not Forgotten
Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Answer Lies Within
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8. Ravenskill
WHAAAAAAAA?
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And i have four TA songs in my bottom ten :biggrin:
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And i have four TA songs in my bottom ten :biggrin:
Because your taste is horrible. :neverusethis:
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Considering you have Hymn of a Thousand Voices in your bottom ten as well, you share a tiny bit of that bad taste :P
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Where's the negativity? I didn't I hate the songs or that the songs are terrible. They're just my least favorite. Care to expound on this?
I admitted I was overreacting when I was replying to Jaffa. Ignore my first comment.
Consider yourself ignored. :lol
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Considering you have Hymn of a Thousand Voices in your bottom ten as well, you share a tiny bit of that bad taste :P
Touché :lol
That song is proper cringe material to me though. I think it might be my least favourite DT song of all time.
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That song almost made my bottom 10 as well, it would be bottom 15 for sure. But even though I have three songs from The Astonishing in my bottom 15, it's still a top 5 DT album. :metal
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I didn't include any TA songs because it's too new. There are a couple of songs that I might put in the lower ten but they could grow on me over time. We'll see.
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Constant Motion
The Enemy Inside
Forsaken
Beneath the Surface
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Along For The Ride
A Rite of Passage
Shattered Fortress
The Answer Lies Within
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These are the ten DT songs I'd be ok with never hearing again:
Raw Dog
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Prophets of War
The Dark Eternal Night
Forsaken
Constant Motion
Outcry
Through Her Eyes
Honor Thy Father
Burning My Soul
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For me, the list begins with Lines In The Sand and ends with Burning My Soul. From that point, I'd have to go back and really listen to find something horrible (though you can probably put a small amount of money down that the heavier the song and the more it has cookie monster/growling vocals, the more likely it's on the list).
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This is just off the top of my head without going back and looking at each album:
1. The Great Debate
2. Repentance
3. Octavarium (cheesy lyrics)
4. The County of Tuscany
5. The Looking Glass (good tune - attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
6. New Millenium
7. Vacant
8. Innocence Faded
9. Honor Thy Father
10. Almost all of The Astonishing
Keep in mind, that I love DT, so picking songs I don't like was difficult (other than The Astonishing, which I don't like at all)
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
It seemed completely obvious from the first time I heard it. Try listening to it with that in mind.
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
It seemed completely obvious from the first time I heard it. Try listening to it with that in mind.
Here is what the lyrics mean, straight from JP himself:
"The subject of that song is kind of how young people are really, really obsessed with fame - the idea of being famous," the axeman stated. "And everybody's living their lives now as if they're famous, with Facebook and everything. There's blogs, pictures of yourself - everybody's acting like movie stars, as if people want to know what's happening." Petrucci explained further, "It used to be that you had to do something substantial in order to be famous, but now anybody can be famous and there's all these TV shows to be famous. Whether it'd be in dance or in singing - there's tons and tons of those type of shows, so it's kind of a weird thing that everybody's so obsessed with that," he concluded.
Source:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theater_young_people_are_obsessed_with_fame_everybodys_acting_like_movie_stars.html?no_takeover
So, yeah... Its not about MP.
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
It seemed completely obvious from the first time I heard it. Try listening to it with that in mind.
:lol Way off
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Do you think he would ADMIT it was about MP? He has too much class to admit that. However, the lyrics themselves lead ME to the conclusion I PERSONALLY reached. They are a cheap shot at MP in my opinion.
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Oh, and I'm not slagging on John Petrucci. I still love DT. I just think those lyrics were beneath JP. JP was my old guitarists teacher. I've seen DT live since they played in tiny clubs on Long Island. So, just because I take issue with one set of song lyrics is not a jab or attack. I just think those lyrics are blatantly about MP regardless of whatever explanation he has given.
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Do you think he would ADMIT it was about MP? He has too much class to admit that. However, the lyrics themselves lead ME to the conclusion I PERSONALLY reached. They are a cheap shot at MP in my opinion.
I think JP has too much class to write a song like that about MP.
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Do you think he would ADMIT it was about MP? He has too much class to admit that. However, the lyrics themselves lead ME to the conclusion I PERSONALLY reached. They are a cheap shot at MP in my opinion.
I think JP has too much class to write a song like that about MP.
Bingo, exactly that.
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They are a cheap shot at MP in my opinion.
Can you prove it?
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They are a cheap shot at MP in my opinion.
Can you prove it?
Of course I can't "prove it." Just as JP would never admit it. I think the lyrics speak for themselves. It's just my opinion.
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Can you at least see how someone might reach the conclusion I did after listening to the lyrics? Even if you, yourself, do not reach that conclusion?
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Can you at least see how someone might reach the conclusion I did after listening to the lyrics? Even if you, yourself, do not reach that conclusion?
Not really, no. Unless you think the descriptions "Some will not admit that 15 minutes have expired", "Singing your own praise" and "Bathing in the spotlight" would apply to MP, which I definitely don't think they do.
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Oh my goodness, the lyrics are about attention-whoring youtubers.
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Oh, and I'm not slagging on John Petrucci. I still love DT. I just think those lyrics were beneath JP. JP was my old guitarists teacher. I've seen DT live since they played in tiny clubs on Long Island. So, just because I take issue with one set of song lyrics is not a jab or attack. I just think those lyrics are blatantly about MP regardless of whatever explanation he has given.
I like you, Tony From Long Island.
But even a song like In the Presence from Enemies can be about MP if you see it with a good pair of MPWarriorGlasses.
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Not counting The Astonishing because I've only listened to it once so far.
In no particular order I just dislike them:
The Shattered Fortress
Count of Tuscany
Enemy Inside
Illumination Theory
Enigma Machine
A Rite of Passage
And also the other ones from DT12, heard them some times and had no impact whatsoever
#BringBackChrisCollins
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The hate for WDADU makes me >:( >:( >:(. Yes it's raw but it has a lot of potential elements that helped to create I&W and so I enjoy it.
Still. Not a fan of TOWHTSTS.
Others I'm not a fan of:
Scarred (sue me. Not a fan. I just think the love for it is overrated)
You Not Me
A Rite of Passage
Constant Motion
Forsaken
This Dying Soul
There are others. Can't think of it.
#BringBackChrisCollins
https://yourmajesty.ytmnd.com :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Not counting the NOMAC tracks on TA, I'd go with these 10:
You Not Me
Constant Motion
Whispers on the Wind
A Rite of Passage
Raw Dog
On the Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Prophets of War
Burning My Soul
Sacrificed Sons
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The hate for WDADU makes me >:( >:( >:(. Yes it's raw but it has a lot of potential elements that helped to create I&W and so I enjoy it.
Agreed. I can think of plenty other albums that I would consider garbage way before I would say that of WDADU.
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The hate for WDADU makes me >:( >:( >:(. Yes it's raw but it has a lot of potential elements that helped to create I&W and so I enjoy it.
Agreed. I can think of plenty other albums that I would consider garbage way before I would say that of WDADU.
I have also wondered about the dislike for WDADU. There's really only song on it that I don't really care for (Light fuse...). Maybe someone who didn't get into DT until much later would consider it rather primitive, but maybe for us long-timers it was part of a natural progression
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
It seemed completely obvious from the first time I heard it. Try listening to it with that in mind.
I feel that the breakup with MP inspired the lyrics to "This is the Life". But yeah, TLG is clearly about social media and the like.
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Look, I sure HOPE Looking Glass isn't about MP. It would actually be a relief to me if that was the case. I was pretty upset when I heard it thinking that it was beneath someone as classy as John P to write something like that. I will say that you guys have given me a different perspective on the song and hopefully I can change mine.
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Wasn't there actually an interview with JP about the songs and he talked about it? Or am I remembering wrong? About it being about social media etc.
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Wasn't there actually an interview with JP about the songs and he talked about it? Or am I remembering wrong? About it being about social media etc.
Yeah he explains all the DT12 song meanings in this tbt video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPQ6egJDqQo
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Can you at least see how someone might reach the conclusion I did after listening to the lyrics? Even if you, yourself, do not reach that conclusion?
I admit I never thought of the lyrics this way until you pointed it out. I do think the song is likely just about "attention-whoring YouTubers" as someone else put it, but I can certainly see how this may be interpreted to be about MP in some regards. Even if it's not, just look at the title of the song. "Looking Glass" is a synonym for "Mirror," one of MP's signature lyrics. Interesting....
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I admit I never thought of the lyrics this way until you pointed it out. I do think the song is likely just about "attention-whoring YouTubers" as someone else put it, but I can certainly see how this may be interpreted to be about MP in some regards. Even if it's not, just look at the title of the song. "Looking Glass" is a synonym for "Mirror," one of MP's signature lyrics. Interesting....
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Yes - the word "Looking Glass" was one of the first things that caught my attention when I first heard the song and thought there was a connection.
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
It seemed completely obvious from the first time I heard it. Try listening to it with that in mind.
Here is what the lyrics mean, straight from JP himself:
"The subject of that song is kind of how young people are really, really obsessed with fame - the idea of being famous," the axeman stated. "And everybody's living their lives now as if they're famous, with Facebook and everything. There's blogs, pictures of yourself - everybody's acting like movie stars, as if people want to know what's happening." Petrucci explained further, "It used to be that you had to do something substantial in order to be famous, but now anybody can be famous and there's all these TV shows to be famous. Whether it'd be in dance or in singing - there's tons and tons of those type of shows, so it's kind of a weird thing that everybody's so obsessed with that," he concluded.
Source:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theater_young_people_are_obsessed_with_fame_everybodys_acting_like_movie_stars.html?no_takeover
So, yeah... Its not about MP.
Just reposting what I posted yesterday. Just another source where the author of the lyrics explains the lyrics. Not sure there is a better source than the man himself...
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5. The Looking Glass (attack lyrics on Mike are not cool)
wtf how the hell is the song about MP?
It seemed completely obvious from the first time I heard it. Try listening to it with that in mind.
Here is what the lyrics mean, straight from JP himself:
"The subject of that song is kind of how young people are really, really obsessed with fame - the idea of being famous," the axeman stated. "And everybody's living their lives now as if they're famous, with Facebook and everything. There's blogs, pictures of yourself - everybody's acting like movie stars, as if people want to know what's happening." Petrucci explained further, "It used to be that you had to do something substantial in order to be famous, but now anybody can be famous and there's all these TV shows to be famous. Whether it'd be in dance or in singing - there's tons and tons of those type of shows, so it's kind of a weird thing that everybody's so obsessed with that," he concluded.
Source:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theater_young_people_are_obsessed_with_fame_everybodys_acting_like_movie_stars.html?no_takeover
So, yeah... Its not about MP.
Just reposting what I posted yesterday. Just another source where the author of the lyrics explains the lyrics. Not sure there is a better source than the man himself...
Sorry, man. Completely missed your post. I read through the posts on the current page and everyone was still talking like it hadn't been mentioned. (I wonder if that happens a lot - where the last post on a page is missed :) )
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Haha, I'm sure it happens all the time, no worries.
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Look, I sure HOPE Looking Glass isn't about MP. It would actually be a relief to me if that was the case. I was pretty upset when I heard it thinking that it was beneath someone as classy as John P to write something like that. I will say that you guys have given me a different perspective on the song and hopefully I can change mine.
Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? Or the fans in Never Enough? Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father?
I feel that the breakup with MP inspired the lyrics to "This is the Life".
Without a doubt.
"Some can get caught in the maze
And lose their way home"
If that isn't a reference to Portnoy getting caught up in playing with so many bands to where he never found his way back to Dream Theater, then I don't know what is.
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I feel that the breakup with MP inspired the lyrics to "This is the Life".
Without a doubt.
"Some can get caught in the maze
And lose their way home"
If that isn't a reference to Portnoy getting caught up in playing with so many bands to where he never found his way back to Dream Theater, then I don't know what is.
I've always had that impression myself. I actually wrote an interpretation explaining line by line how This is the Life could be related to Portnoy's departure. I don't think I ever posted it, though; at the time, Portnoy was a bit of a sensitive subject here, and I didn't want to contribute to the controversy.
But yeah. Even if John didn't intentionally write the song about Portnoy, I feel like Portnoy must have been somewhere on his mind while he was writing it.
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Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? - Maybe, but the song wasn't released on an actual album (yes, I know it was on SCORE). IMO, the lyrics in Looking Glass were much more blatant.
Or the fans in Never Enough? -- No.
Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father? -- Not in the least.
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I didn't have a problem with MP's lyrics in Raise the Knife at all. And I don't see the slightest issue with The Looking Glass either. I don't believe any DT song since the split is about MP, it seems beneath them. People can see what they want if they look hard enough.
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Can't rank 'em, but some of my least favorite tracks:
Erotomania
Scarred
Lines In The Sand
New Millenium
The Great Debate
This Dying Soul
One Last Time
The Enigma Machine
These Walls
Begin Again
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This will consist of a lot from their "middle period":
(worst)
The Great Debate
In the Presence of Enemies Part II
Ministry of Lost Souls
A Nightmare to Remember
Prophets of War
The Dark Eternal Night
Never Enough
Honor Thy Father
Just Let me Breathe
Sacrificed Sons
(less worse)
Notice, there's a lot of Mike Portnoy "revenge" songs on there :D
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Can't rank 'em, but some of my least favorite tracks:
Erotomania
Since Awake is my all time FAV DT album, I can't list any in my bottom 10, but there is one drum fill in that song that's irked me. It seems like MP rushes just a LITTLE bit. Likely it's just the way they wanted it, but every time I hear it, I feel like it's off.
yes, SUPER nit-picking
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Not counting the Majesty Demos.
142. Regression
143. False Awakening Suite
144. The Best of Times
145. Take Away My Pain
146. Don't Look Past Me
147. Where Are You Now?
148. Status Seeker
149. The Answer
150. Begin Again
152. Light Fuse and Get Away
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Since Awake is my all time FAV DT album, I can't list any in my bottom 10, but there is one drum fill in that song that's irked me. It seems like MP rushes just a LITTLE bit. Likely it's just the way they wanted it, but every time I hear it, I feel like it's off.
It's things like these that ruins the band for me.
::) ::) ::)
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Since Awake is my all time FAV DT album, I can't list any in my bottom 10, but there is one drum fill in that song that's irked me. It seems like MP rushes just a LITTLE bit. Likely it's just the way they wanted it, but every time I hear it, I feel like it's off.
It's things like these that ruins the band for me.
::) ::) ::)
What's the problem?
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Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? - Maybe, but the song wasn't released on an actual album (yes, I know it was on SCORE). IMO, the lyrics in Looking Glass were much more blatant.
Or the fans in Never Enough? -- No.
Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father? -- Not in the least.
Strange.
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Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? - Maybe, but the song wasn't released on an actual album (yes, I know it was on SCORE). IMO, the lyrics in Looking Glass were much more blatant.
Or the fans in Never Enough? -- No.
Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father? -- Not in the least.
Strange.
Could you elaborate on what you find strange? The questions or my answers? :-)
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Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? - Maybe, but the song wasn't released on an actual album (yes, I know it was on SCORE). IMO, the lyrics in Looking Glass were much more blatant.
Or the fans in Never Enough? -- No.
Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father? -- Not in the least.
Strange.
Could you elaborate on what you find strange? The questions or my answers? :-)
Your insistence in thinking The Looking Glass is somewhat of a Portnoy bashing song. Portnoy and Petrucci are two different personalities. While they can both be controlling in their own way, as far as what they portray extrovertedly, Petrucci is far more reserved. He would never write a song bashing someone, while MP would write the same song laced with fuckity fuck fucks all over the place.
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"........Petrucci is far more reserved. He would never write a song bashing someone,......"
This could be why I am much more bothered by the LG lyrics, which in my opinion are an OBVIOUS slight at MP.
What does "you're digging up a goldmine" have to do with you tube people?
"Standing on the sidelines Watching through the looking glass" Who's on the sidelines now?
"All that you protected doesn't matter anymore" - has nothing to do with You Tubers. Who protected the DT image? Who was the official bootleg guy? MP
This is a good topic for it's own thread I guess.
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This could be why I am much more bothered by the LG lyrics, which in my opinion are an OBVIOUS slight at MP.
No, they aren't. :lol
What does "you're digging up a goldmine" have to do with you tube people?
Taking the easy route to fame? Definitely can't be associated with MP. Definitely can be associated with wannabe celebrities on YT.
"Standing on the sidelines Watching through the looking glass" Who's on the sidelines now?
MP may on the 'sidelines' for lack of a better term, but 'watching through the looking glass' (which would imply laziness) doesn't apply. MP is hard at work on like 10 different projects that while not as well known as DT (hence how 'sidelines' could apply) are pretty consistently high quality.
All that you protected doesn't matter anymore"
Refers to the fickle nature of wannabe celebrities to appeal to the masses, hence abandoning all they 'protected' (their own values, in this case). Not MP.
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This is the first time I see The Looking class being connected with Mike Portnoy. There were theories about some songs on ADTOE, but not this one.
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The hate for WDADU makes me >:( >:( >:(. Yes it's raw but it has a lot of potential elements that helped to create I&W and so I enjoy it.
Still. Not a fan of TOWHTSTS.
Others I'm not a fan of:
Scarred (sue me. Not a fan. I just think the love for it is overrated)
You Not Me
A Rite of Passage
Constant Motion
Forsaken
This Dying Soul
There are others. Can't think of it.
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WDADU is great, that intro from AFIL... :metal
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The hate for WDADU makes me >:( >:( >:(. Yes it's raw but it has a lot of potential elements that helped to create I&W and so I enjoy it.
Agreed. I can think of plenty other albums that I would consider garbage way before I would say that of WDADU.
I have also wondered about the dislike for WDADU. There's really only song on it that I don't really care for (Light fuse...). Maybe someone who didn't get into DT until much later would consider it rather primitive, but maybe for us long-timers it was part of a natural progression
There's no reason to hate that album, it's great when they look back a little and play a couple of songs from that album.
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Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? - Maybe, but the song wasn't released on an actual album (yes, I know it was on SCORE). IMO, the lyrics in Looking Glass were much more blatant.
Or the fans in Never Enough? -- No.
Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father? -- Not in the least.
Strange.
Could you elaborate on what you find strange? The questions or my answers? :-)
Your answers.
I am always a fan of lyrics that are clever enough to be viewed in several different ways, but it is really stretching it to suggest that The Looking Glass is about Portnoy.
Acting like Raise the Knife isn't relevant because it wasn't on an official album did make me chuckle, though. :biggrin:
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This is easy for me:
Falling Into Infinity's first ten tracks
except for Trial of Tears that album just does not appeal to me, and I'm not just brushing it off for obvious reasons, I really have tried to find something to like through many times listening to it.
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Your answers.
I am always a fan of lyrics that are clever enough to be viewed in several different ways, but it is really stretching it to suggest that The Looking Glass is about Portnoy.
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Can't be much of a stretch if it was an instantaneous thought to me immediately upon hearing the song for the first time. If they are NOT about MP, they are very "clever," as you put it :-)
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I know it's all subjective but nevertheless I've always wondered why so many fans dislike You Not Me. To me it's a fun little song with a decent chorus and some tasty guitar flourishes from JP. Certainly not a DT classic but by no means a bad song.
As for 10 least favourite DT songs, that's a tough one because I like/love almost every song they've written (from Images and Words onwards). Leaving out WDADU (which I so rarely listen to) and Raw Dog, these would be the 10 songs I like least:
Another Day
Burning My Soul
Just Let Me Breathe
Through Her Eyes
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Honor Thy Father
Sacrificed Sons
Prophets of War
A Rite of Passage
Lost Not Forgotten
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Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? - Maybe, but the song wasn't released on an actual album (yes, I know it was on SCORE). IMO, the lyrics in Looking Glass were much more blatant.
Or the fans in Never Enough? -- No.
Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father? -- Not in the least.
Strange.
Could you elaborate on what you find strange? The questions or my answers? :-)
I think what's strange about your answers is that it seems like you're fine with it when Mike does it, but not fine when John maybe does it.
You know, I'm pretty sure Mike said on either FB or Twitter a couple of months ago that he actually now has a friendly relationship with the stepfather he called "the rotted root in the family tree" in Honor Thy Father. Good that they've patched things up, but that song is on the record forever. I'd say that's a bit more questionable than some vague lyrics that maybe possibly could be about MP but probably aren't in The Looking Glass ("You are not content with being nameless and unknown" <-- this does not sound like a reference to MP, who was solidly a minor celebrity in 2010 and didn't increase his fame by leaving DT—and who is probably more famous than JP).
Personally, even if The Looking Glass is about Mike Portnoy (which it isn't), I don't have a problem with it. It's vague, there's plausible deniability, and it's clearly a subject matter that John felt strongly about. I think so long as you steer clear of names or identifying details, there's nothing wrong with writing a song about somebody who was important in your life. How would any breakup songs ever be written otherwise? Taylor Swift would have to retire from music (you know I'm just teasing, Tay :heart)! I also have no problem with Raise the Knife (and, listen, whether Mike was being fair to Kevin or not, I connect personally to the lyrics of that song, so I'm glad he wrote them). I also have no problem with Honor Thy Father. Most of all, I certainly have no problem with Never Enough. I think that's all fair game for subject matter. So long as it's not like "Kevin Moore, you ruined my life, here's this personal conversation we had between us that I'll put in a song in explicit detail just to spite you." I think it's also a totally legitimate opinion if you disagree with me about things like Raise the Knife and Honor Thy Father being fair game.
But I don't think you can say that Honor Thy Father and Raise the Knife are okay, but The Looking Glass isn't. I think you have to pick a standard and apply it the same to everybody.
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". . . . . . . .But I don't think you can say that Honor Thy Father and Raise the Knife are okay, but The Looking Glass isn't. I think you have to pick a standard and apply it the same to everybody. . . . . . . "
Your post was very logical and thought out. Made me think why I am more "upset" at a something I perceive as a slight at MP by John, but not slights by MP at others. Maybe it was just the tone. The moment I heard that tone, it just sounded like it was a vicious stab. It didn't seem veiled to me.
As for the faceless and unknown line. He went from DT to Avenged Sevenfold, which is a band much more known in the "mainstream," rather than the relatively unknown (except to us rabid fans) DT. As long as we all know that this "discussion" isn't personal and we can all disagree and still be fans, it's all good.
You have made me want to look more into the Raise the Knife Lyrics, which I will do :-)
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rather than the relatively unknown (except to us rabid fans) DT.
Pretty sure that DT are at least moderately well known.
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On topic, half of FII and some newer tunes:
You Not Me
Burning My Soul
Hollow Years
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
Honor Thy Father
The Dark Eternal Night
Never Enough
Prophets of War
ITPOE Pt 2
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rather than the relatively unknown (except to us rabid fans) DT.
Pretty sure that DT are at least moderately well known.
Your comment made me remember that, to my surprise, around my area there are many people who have told me they know the band, but for some reason they pronounce it as "Dream Titter". :P
The same with Ramones. We don't pronounce "Ra-mouns", we pronounce it "Ra-mo-nes".
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I pronounce that way too, even if it's wrong. How it's supposed to be?
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rather than the relatively unknown (except to us rabid fans) DT.
Pretty sure that DT are at least moderately well known.
In the 25 years I have been a DT fan, I can count on ONE HAND the number of times I have gotten "Oh yeah, I've heard of them..." and I'm from the Home of DT!
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I pronounce that way too, even if it's wrong. How it's supposed to be?
In the US, Theater is pronounced like "Fi - a - ter". It's not 'F', obviously, but I think you get my point.
In the UK, I believe they pronounce it a little faster, so that's why it may sound like "Fi - tter" - just 2 syllables.
I might be wrong, though. But I've heard English/Scottish people pronounce a few bands' names differently than North American people. So, maybe that's why we South Americans are confused about it.
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Every song on WDADU other than Ytsejam
Burning my soul
You not me
Just let me breathe
These are the only DT songs I actually hate.
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These are probably my least favorite DT songs.
You Not Me
Take Away My Pain
Constant Motion
Repentance
Enigma Machine
Along for the Ride
Beneath the Surface
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times
Status Seeker (although this ones warming up to me recently so I might replace this)
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Every song on WDADU other than Ytsejam
Burning my soul
You not me
Just let me breathe
These are the only DT songs I actually hate.
Wow, I didn't realize there was still room on that bandwagon.
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What bandwagon?
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The WDADU haters one.
I don't even think it's hate, just that the album is poor at best.
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That's not a bandwagon. People dislike it because it's bad, not because it's the cool thing to do.
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Correct. Now, try getting that into his head.
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The WDADU haters one.
I don't even think it's hate, just that the album is poor at best.
I think some people just don't like it. Personally, I think there are some really good songs on there. The vocals are what kill it for me. Charlie's caterwauling is purely cacophonous in some spots. Don't forget. It's all relative. If somebody say it's bad, it doesn't mean it's actually bad. It's completely subjective. Just like someone saying it's good would follow the same reasoning.
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I think the songwriting is ok but vocals and production brings everything down.
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I think the songwriting is ok but vocals and production brings everything down.
I concur. It would have been great if the live recording of the complete album with JLB on vocals had been a better performance by him. However, there are plenty of bootlegs out there with superior performances of the WDADU songs by James.
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Your answers.
I am always a fan of lyrics that are clever enough to be viewed in several different ways, but it is really stretching it to suggest that The Looking Glass is about Portnoy.
Can't be much of a stretch if it was an instantaneous thought to me immediately upon hearing the song for the first time. If they are NOT about MP, they are very "clever," as you put it :-)
Yes, it can be. People make completely incorrect snap judgments all the time. That's why snap judgments and knee-jerk reactions are generally disfavored rather than taking the time to actually figure out what you are talking about. In this case, the lyrics simply do not fit Mike Portnoy. Yeah, a few lines here and there can be stretched to fit, but plenty of others are so obviously about something other than him that if you had taken the time to actually critically analyze the song as a whole, there is no way you could arrive at the conclusion that it is somehow about Mike Portnoy. As for whether anyone in DT is "above" writing lyrics about any former member, I can't speculate. But these particular lyrics simply do not fit.
Putting the discussion back on topic, feel free to dislike the song and put it in your bottom 10 if that is how you feel about it. But if your reason for doing so is because you believe the lyrics might be about Mike Portnoy, you are mistaken.
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Look, I sure HOPE Looking Glass isn't about MP. It would actually be a relief to me if that was the case. I was pretty upset when I heard it thinking that it was beneath someone as classy as John P to write something like that. I will say that you guys have given me a different perspective on the song and hopefully I can change mine.
Serious questions:
Do you think it was low budget for Mike Portnoy to rip Kevin Moore in Raise the Knife? Or the fans in Never Enough? Or his step-father in Honor Thy Father?
I feel that the breakup with MP inspired the lyrics to "This is the Life".
Without a doubt.
"Some can get caught in the maze
And lose their way home"
If that isn't a reference to Portnoy getting caught up in playing with so many bands to where he never found his way back to Dream Theater, then I don't know what is.
Sorry guys but I have no idea how in the world either of these songs are speculated to be dealing with Portnoy.
JP has always, and especially in the last few years, been a very preachy guy. This is the Life is a song about a perspective on life gained by coming of age, most of the song deals with the wisdom of the teller as he explains to another (presumably younger or inexperienced listener) that he should not live with uncertainties about his own decisions, cherish his life, etc. Some people are lost in their doubts and miss out on their potential and joy because of it. Cherry picking that single line out of context to make it sound like he's judging MP or whatever you consider it to be seems to be very counterintuitive to the message of the song. If anything, MP lives by the message of this song - he didn't choose to live carefully, he didn't get caught in "the maze", he chose what seemed to be the best opportunity and career advancement for him.
The Looking Glass could have some merit i guess, but again it's not the entire song that sounds like a criticism towards MP but rather maybe a single verse, and the explanation JP gave this song about his own view of people who rise to their 15 minutes of fame through social media and crash down very quickly makes much more sense than any conspiracy theory about a secret message for MP.
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Do you think he would ADMIT it was about MP? He has too much class to admit that. However, the lyrics themselves lead ME to the conclusion I PERSONALLY reached. They are a cheap shot at MP in my opinion.
If he wanted to have a cheap shot at MP he would make it much more obvious and admit it proudly. What makes you hold JP to a higher standard than MP (Raise the Knife, Never Enough, Burning My Soul, Honor Thy Father) or JP himself (You or Me, for example)?
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That's not a bandwagon. People dislike Falling Into Infinity because it's bad, not because it's the cool thing to do.
FTFY
Edit: Just checked The Metal Archives, by far the most complete and knowledgeable metal website, and WDADU has a better average reviewer score than about 6 of their other albums. FWIW. So there's a large cross-section of people who do not think it's "bad" at all.
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:lol How in the hell can anyone rate WDADU better than SIX other DT albums?
Looking at their ratings now, it's downright laughable. I can't take any site seriously that puts WDADU ahead of SFAM and SDOIT. There's clearly a large section of people hitting the crack pipe too hard. :biggrin:
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:lol How in the hell can anyone rate WDADU better than SIX other DT albums?
Looking at their ratings now, it's downright laughable. I can't take any site seriously that puts WDADU ahead of SFAM and SDOIT. There's clearly a large section of people hitting the crack pipe too hard. :biggrin:
And I can't take seriously the opinion of someone who things Kiss is better than Rush and who thinks the Beatles aren't that good. ;D
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:lol How in the hell can anyone rate WDADU better than SIX other DT albums?
Looking at their ratings now, it's downright laughable. I can't take any site seriously that puts WDADU ahead of SFAM and SDOIT. There's clearly a large section of people hitting the crack pipe too hard. :biggrin:
And I can't take seriously the opinion of someone who things Kiss is better than Rush and who thinks the Beatles aren't that good. ;D
And I can't take seriously the opinion of someone whose defense is to deflect and mock someone's unrelated musical opinions as if it's relevant or meaningful, instead of addressing the topic of discussion itself. ;)
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Stop blobbing us Blob. :lol
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After reading through all 8 pages of this thread, I noticed that Stargazer wasn't on anybody's list. I think it bears mentioning in this thread.
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Except that's not even a Dream Theater song. It's a cover.
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After reading through all 8 pages of this thread, I noticed that Stargazer wasn't on anybody's list. I think it bears mentioning in this thread.
For a start, it's not actually a Dream Theater song, so it doesn't warrant any mention in the thread. And secondly, it's a solid cover anyway.
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:lol How in the hell can anyone rate WDADU better than SIX other DT albums?
Six? Hm. I don't like doing lists or rankings or anything, but if I'll see if I can come up with 6 albums that I'd understand being below WDADU.
SC, BCSL, DT12, ToT,.............nope, only got 4.
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And 75% to 100% of them are incorrect. But that was probably about as close as you were going to get, so good effort. :biggrin:
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And 75% to 100% of them are incorrect. But that was probably about as close as you were going to get, so good effort. :biggrin:
When I get 75% to 100% of a test incorrect, I call that a good day. :metal
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No matter how hard I try, I cannot find an album that I like less than WDADU. Maybe FII comes close for me, but that's it.
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Except that's not even a Dream Theater song. It's a cover.
Oh... yeah, I guess we can't blame DT for it then :)