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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: bosk1 on September 08, 2011, 12:49:42 PM
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Last night, X-Men Origins: Wolverine was on FX. Watched the last 45 minutes or so while I was getting ready for bed. I've seen it in its entirety and, overall, I thought it was decent despite some flaws here and there. It isn't epic cinema. It just is what it is: a comic book hero movie that sometimes suffers a bit of an identity crisis by trying to appeal to a younger audience on one hand while also trying to be gritty and dark. But it's good fun, stayed relatively true to the Wolverine origins story despite some obvious liberties, and featured some cool Wolverine/Sabertooth fights. All in all, that's good enough for me.
But here's my major beef with the film: The epic "boss fight" with Wade/Deadpool at the end. I have two problems with it:
1. I hate boss fights where the bad guy is near-invincible to the point where you have to completely suspend logic and common sense in believing the good guys won. Yes, I understand that he has to be so tough that Wolverine alone would surely die, and that there would be a severe threat to mankind and/or mutantkind, to justify Sabertooth and Wolverine teaming up to defeat him. But when it's taken to the extreme like this where there's no plausible way they can win other than just the sheer dumb luck of how it ended (and him mysteriously NOT using the teleport ability he had been using for the previous 5 minutes of the fight), it just becomes stupid and unsatisfying.
2. They ruined a perfectly awesome character. Wade/Deadpool is, IMO, one of the coolest characters in the entire Marvel universe. And they ruined him by turning him into that Weapon 11 thing. I stopped reading/collecting in the mid-90s, so maybe there actually was a Marvel storyline where something like that happened to him. But even if that is the case and this wasn't totally made up, it was a dumb thing to do in this movie. First off, he could have been a really cool character in this film and could have been developed a lot more. Second, they could have saved him for use in other films. What they did with him was just stupid, stupid, stupid, and it really makes me mad that they took a character with so much personality and potential and just made him into a mindless "super weapon" that gets killed off in a boss fight. I cannot stress enough how much this disappoints me.
Anyhow, those are my points. Feel free to discuss those or any other points about the movie. I know it isn't well liked, so I am expecting the typical "lol that movie sux" comments. But my hope is that there will actually be some substantive discussion.
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First off, he could have been a really cool character in this film and could have been developed a lot more. Second, they could have saved him for use in other films.
Last I heard, there was still a Deadpool movie in the works, staring Ryan Reynolds. I think they've decided to just pretend the events of this movie never happened.
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First off, he could have been a really cool character in this film and could have been developed a lot more. Second, they could have saved him for use in other films.
Last I heard, there was still a Deadpool movie in the works, staring Ryan Reynolds. I think they've decided to just pretend the events of this movie never happened.
The script is online. Only references to the movie are a shot of a Weapon XI action figure in the trash, and Deadpool directly stapling a Hugh Jackman People Magazine cover to his face as a disguise.
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Which is great, except that you have huge continuity errors. And for whatever reason, I seem to have some form of OCD when it comes to this type of continuity error such that I will surely find it almost impossible to put these issues out of my head while watching the new one, and will come away feeling like it was ruined no matter how good it actually turns out to be.
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As a guy who still follows Deadpool comics, no, there was never any storyline where what happens in the movie happened to Deadpool.
They completely ruined the character! This after they made the most perfect casting choice in the world for Wade Wilson.
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I agree with your two problems with it and add a few more:
-Continuing the X3 problem of introducing a bunch of fan favorite mutants with no depth explored on screen. Between the first two X-Men movies, you saw so much of Wovlerine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Rogue, Professor X, and Magneto and those characters stuck with us. Heck, even Iceman stuck around in our consciousness. Plenty of characters, but we got to see them and they actually mattered. You had some good villains in the second movie as well, but the third movie and Wolverine just seemed incredibly rushed when it came to introducing characters and then never seeing them again except for a five-minute fight scene, where they were gone in an instant yet again. They were just kind of...there.
If you had to narrow down the list of MAIN characters in Wolverine, they would be Wolvie, his love interest, Stryker, and Sabretooth. You could have made a much better movie with just those characters as the focus rather than introducing all these characters that are just there to advance the plot in a superficial way.
And to contrast this with X-Men First Class, the characters with real substance included Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, Sebastian Shaw, Angel (not the real Angel but whatever), Moira, and Havok. You could probably throw Darwin into that mix too with his heroic sacrifice (Azazel, Emma Frost, Tornado Guy, and Banshee were SFX budget users as far as I'm concerned). That's 9 out of 13 characters that had some memorable traits about them. This "introduce a bunch of mutants" thing CAN be done well so that everyone serves a purpose. Wolverine just kinda failed in that respect. Hard.
-Doing nothing with Gambit. He flies a helicopter and that's it. Okay, he does it twice. :P The character fans were constantly clamoring for inclusion in the movies...and he barely does anything.
Okay so most of it was one big problem that also plagued X3, but still. Its heartbreaking to see memorable characters like Juggernaut, Deadpool, and Gambit just being thrown to the wayside like that.
@Bosk: as far as continuity errors, X-Men first class seems to have ignored that Wolverine and X3 ever happened, which is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. If they made a Deadpool movie that did the same thing, I'd be totally cool with that. I also agree with Dimi that Ryan Reynolds is the perfect choice for Deadpool.
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Supposedly, the Deadpool movie completely ignores that Wolverine ever happened.
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I haven't seen First Class yet. So I guess I just need to brace for impact and accept the fact that continuity errors are going to be driving me nuts for the entire film. :lol
And I agree with the casting choice for Wade in Wolverine. Great choice. And I understand the thing about bringing in characters and doing nothing with them. But to me, that's a minor annoyance--especially given that the Marvel universe is so vast in terms of characters and storylines that you just can't do a lot of justice to a large number of characters in a movie. If they didn't really do much more with Wade in the movie, I wouldn't have minded much. But that's different than transforming him and ruining him like they did. :rant:
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It's a terrible movie, imo.
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I guess I should chime in.
Origins is a decent action flick, but isnt that great as a comic book movie.
The CGI is terrible in places (bathroom scene), the way Gambit was included seemed like a quick cash-in, and Deadpool is ruined in the end.
The first half of the movie was fine imo. Ryan Reynolds/Deadpool is PERFECT and his attitude/acting is spot-on with the character, and the action is cool.
But X2 still the best X-men film to date.
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I am a huge fan of the X-Men comics, and I actually loved the movie overall aside from the end boss fight (for pretty much all the reasons you just described) as well as the fact that Gambit was pointlessly shoehorned into a story in which he had no real reason for being there other then to satisfy some fan-girl wank. Beyond that, though, it was pretty solid, with great casting and acting and a decent story. Hell, I didn't even mind the fact that they were explicit about Wolverine and Sabretooth being brothers, rather then simply implying some sort of family relation like they did in the comics. I guess this is a Hollywood movie, so they feel the need to spell everything out to the audience and tie up the story in a neat little bow, rather then simply implying things and letting the viewer figure it out for themselves, but whatever, the relationship between the two was well done, and Jackman and Schreiber had some real chemistry in the film that actually made you believe they were brothers, so I let that pass.
Oh, and the producers have confirmed that Reynolds will be returning as Deadpool in a later film, and have pretty much suggested that we ignore the end-boss "Deadpool" from Wolverine as some sort of prototype (or something like that ???). I actually thought Ryan was the perfect person to play Wade, his performance in the first 20 minutes of the film nailed the character dead-on, so I'm glad he will be given the chance to portray a proper Deadpool at some point in the future.
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I haven't seen the movie but Deadpool was always one of my favs too, great character.
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I haven't seen First Class yet. So I guess I just need to brace for impact and accept the fact that continuity errors are going to be driving me nuts for the entire film. :lol
And I agree with the casting choice for Wade in Wolverine. Great choice. And I understand the thing about bringing in characters and doing nothing with them. But to me, that's a minor annoyance--especially given that the Marvel universe is so vast in terms of characters and storylines that you just can't do a lot of justice to a large number of characters in a movie. If they didn't really do much more with Wade in the movie, I wouldn't have minded much. But that's different than transforming him and ruining him like they did. :rant:
Which means the obvious solution would be to keep the number of extraneous characters that most audiences wouldn't know ANYWAYS down, or at least work in some basic character traits other than "this mutant is so 2008 while other mutants are so 2000 and late." What you said about not doing justice to all the characters is totally understandable, and yet, in X-men and X2, almost all of the characters were executed to perfection. I can tell you more about Mystique based on the first movie than I can for Multiple Man in X3, or the carnie from Wolverine, and Mystique maybe had like two lines when she wasn't in disguise. The only ones without much behind them were Sabretooth and Toad. They came very close with First Class. In the hands of capable directors and writers, they can introduce lots of mutants but still DO something with them or at least make them stick in your mind.
And you should see First Class, because it makes up for the last two failures called X-Men movies. Its not perfect, but its good. The two leads are perfectly cast.
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First off, he could have been a really cool character in this film and could have been developed a lot more. Second, they could have saved him for use in other films.
Last I heard, there was still a Deadpool movie in the works, staring Ryan Reynolds. I think they've decided to just pretend the events of this movie never happened.
you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds? That better not be true. He was already The Green Lantern. I know that TGL is DC, but still, I hate when they re-use actors like that. I heard TGL was not good, and the trailer looked terrible.
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Instead of listing any of the things I didn't like the movie, I'll make a positive review and post the whole list of things I liked about the movie.
1. As everyone said, Ryan was perfect until the end (which wasn't his fault)
2. Despite basically re-writing the character, I thought Leiv was amazing as Sabertooth and really made him a cool character that the other movie didn't.
That's it, I didn't like anything else about the movie because it was horrible.
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I never had a problem with this movie or X-Men 3. Partly because I don't read the comics, I guess.
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you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds?
Ryan Reynolds was BORN to play Deadpool! He is the perfect casting choice.
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I love Deadpool.
Avatar and sig change time.
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Supposedly, the Deadpool movie completely ignores that Wolverine ever happened.
Yes and no. In the Deadpool movie/screenplay, the Wolverine movie exists as a movie Wade has seen and hates. If the movie turns out as good as the screenplay, it would seriously be probably a top 3 comic book movie ever. Teaming up with Colossus is priceless.
you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds?
Ryan Reynolds was BORN to play Deadpool! He is the perfect casting choice.
Yes.
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I am totally awesome right now.
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First off, he could have been a really cool character in this film and could have been developed a lot more. Second, they could have saved him for use in other films.
Last I heard, there was still a Deadpool movie in the works, staring Ryan Reynolds. I think they've decided to just pretend the events of this movie never happened.
you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds? That better not be true. He was already The Green Lantern. I know that TGL is DC, but still, I hate when they re-use actors like that. I heard TGL was not good, and the trailer looked terrible.
You missed the boat on this one. He played Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That was my complaint for him playing Green Lantern.
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First off, he could have been a really cool character in this film and could have been developed a lot more. Second, they could have saved him for use in other films.
Last I heard, there was still a Deadpool movie in the works, staring Ryan Reynolds. I think they've decided to just pretend the events of this movie never happened.
you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds? That better not be true. He was already The Green Lantern. I know that TGL is DC, but still, I hate when they re-use actors like that. I heard TGL was not good, and the trailer looked terrible.
You missed the boat on this one. He played Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That was my complaint for him playing Green Lantern.
Ohhhhh okay. Well nevermind..haha
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Supposedly, the Deadpool movie completely ignores that Wolverine ever happened.
Yes and no. In the Deadpool movie/screenplay, the Wolverine movie exists as a movie Wade has seen and hates. If the movie turns out as good as the screenplay, it would seriously be probably a top 3 comic book movie ever. Teaming up with Colossus is priceless.
That'd be completely fucking awesome!!!!
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Check out my new screen name and my new avatar and sig that I just made.
Boom! Tough actin Tinactin.
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Cool. Like your avatar too. Vegeta is my favorite DBZ character. :metal
Well, liked your avatar :lol
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Lol noob.
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:lol :deadpool:
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The new guy already gets a emoticon?! I need a new one. All the remakes have diminished my love for Freddy and Jason.
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He didn't "get" one. He just decided to name himself after an existing one that nobody knew about.
Kinda like (on topic): :wolverine:
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Oh, well, I WANT ONE DADDEH! I WANT IT NOW!
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I too like Wolverine. I also think X3 is the best, so what do I know :P
I'm also excited at the prospect of the Deadpool movie. The producer was just talking about it being a hard R and a revamp of the character that ignores the events of Wolverine to get him more comic book accurate, so that should be cool.
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Oh, well, I WANT ONE DADDEH! I WANT IT NOW!
You have 3, nooblet. Quit complaining.
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Oh, well, I WANT ONE DADDEH! I WANT IT NOW!
You have 3, nooblet. Quit complaining.
I don't even like Leatherface that much.
I HATE YOU! I WISH I HAD NEVER BEEN BORN!!!
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:daddy:
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:zook2:
I'm your daddy now!
HAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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So... Bosk is Zook's father but then I'm guessing Zook married Bosk's mother and became Bosk's father.
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We live in Arkansas. Just roll with it.
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Isn't deadpool a very cool rip off of a DC character?
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Yeah, Deathstroke.
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Isn't deadpool a very cool rip off of a DC character?
Yep, but Deadpool's better.
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:zook2:
I'm your daddy now!
HAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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:D
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You so silly.
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Avatar quoting, reported!
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Deathstroke's real name is Slade Wilson so Deadpool's real name became Wade Wilson after he was called out on it lol.
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Did Wade and Slade have any contact during the Marvel DC crossover?
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Did Wade and Slade have any contact during the Marvel DC crossover?
I believe so.
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Did Wade and Slade have any contact during the Marvel DC crossover?
I believe so.
.............yes! Gonna look it up.
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And that is why Deadpool's better.
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I agree.
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There is only one thing wrong with the Wolverine film: it sucked.
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There is only one thing wrong with the Wolverine film: it sucked.
Oddly enough, that isn't the worst thing about it.
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There is only one thing wrong with the Wolverine film: it sucked.
Oddly enough, that isn't the worst thing about it.
I'd recommend tracking down the leaked pre-CGI version. It turns it into a low budget madcap comedy.
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you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds?
Ryan Reynolds was BORN to play Deadpool! He is the perfect casting choice.
He also would have made an awesome (Wally West) Flash.
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There is only one thing wrong with the Wolverine film: it sucked.
Oddly enough, that isn't the worst thing about it.
I'd recommend tracking down the leaked pre-CGI version. It turns it into a low budget madcap comedy.
That's the first version I saw. I was horrified. And then when I saw the completed version, the CGI still looked like garbage.
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The only redeeming factor of that movie is the beginning where they're fighting in all the different wars. That was awesome.
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you're kidding. Ryan Reynolds?
Ryan Reynolds was BORN to play Deadpool! He is the perfect casting choice.
He also would have made an awesome (Wally West) Flash.
Agreed on both counts. Its ok to like RR, folks :lol
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The Wolverine movie and the Deadpool can still fit together without much issue; I shall explain.
Deadpool was part of the weapon X program which gave him healing factor much like wolverine but better. Better to the point of extreme regeneration ie limbs, decapitation, incineration etc.. Now before he had this regeneration he had brain tumor/cancer of some sort. Due to his healing the cancer spread rapidly throughout his body, disfiguring him but not killing him. Because of the tumor growth and his healing keeping him alive this has made him mentally fucked.
In the movie after the credits Deadpool's eyes open. Now that he is thought dead and buried under rubble and the area is destroyed, he is free to do what he pleases. So he removes the stitched up shit over his mouth and becomes mentally unstable due to what was inflicted upon him. He finds his way in the world by becoming a mouthy mercenary.
He has had personal teleportation devices before so the teleportation isn't a problem. The only real issue is his Optic blaster eyes and adamentium skeleton/sword claws. Continuity is completely fine.
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Except, why would you want those two movies to fit together when Wolverine sucked so much?
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Hey I said nothing about wanting it. Just was pointing out that it fit.
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Hey I said nothing about wanting it. Just was pointing out that it fit.
So aside from the fact that he now has beams coming from his eyes when he shouldn't, and the fact that he has huge obtrusive claws coming out of his arms when he shouldn't, and the fact that he is controlled by a computer when he shouldn't be...........there's no continuity errors.
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Hmm you didn't read my post before... I'll address it in further detail. The claws can be the swords he often uses, admittedly less cool. The computer was destroyed so now he is free. As for the eye blasts, it is a bit of a problem but could be written out via his decapitation. Maybe there had to be a mechanical portion to it or something. Come on Wolverine was shot in the head and lost his memory. That is less believable then what I've just proposed.
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Hmm you didn't read my post before... I'll address it in further detail. The claws can be the swords he often uses, admittedly less cool. The computer was destroyed so now he is free. As for the eye blasts, it is a bit of a problem but could be written out via his decapitation. Maybe there had to be a mechanical portion to it or something. Come on Wolverine was shot in the head and lost his memory. That is less believable then what I've just proposed.
While I agree that the Wolverine being shot in the head was a horrible idea, so was the everything else they did with Deadpool. Trying to work around it is just silly when you can just.............not write around it.
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Hmm you didn't read my post before... I'll address it in further detail. The claws can be the swords he often uses, admittedly less cool. The computer was destroyed so now he is free. As for the eye blasts, it is a bit of a problem but could be written out via his decapitation. Maybe there had to be a mechanical portion to it or something. Come on Wolverine was shot in the head and lost his memory. That is less believable then what I've just proposed.
While I agree that the Wolverine being shot in the head was a horrible idea, so was the everything else they did with Deadpool. Trying to work around it is just silly when you can just.............not write around it.
I agree.
Wasn't that memory loss gun shot thing fucking retarded. That was the cherry on the rectal sputum cake.
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It's not even so much that shooting wolverine in the head would cause him memory loss, it's that Stryker some how knew that would happen and it seems actually had an idea as to how much memory he would lose.
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Its ok. We can accept that Origins is just not being considered part of the canon. We are getting The Wolverine and Deadpool, both of which will act as if Origins never existed. I for one enjoy Origins as a standalone companion piece that is flawed but fun. I certainly think its a fine looking specimen, and in the context of watching them all, its still entertainment. But these are comic movies, which much like their source material, will be retconned from now until forever. The point is just to enjoy them in the moment and get out of them whatever you will.
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Its ok. We can accept that Origins is just not being considered part of the canon. We are getting The Wolverine and Deadpool, both of which will act as if Origins never existed. I for one enjoy Origins as a standalone companion piece that is flawed but fun. I certainly think its a fine looking specimen, and in the context of watching them all, its still entertainment. But these are comic movies, which much like their source material, will be retconned from now until forever. The point is just to enjoy them in the moment and get out of them whatever you will.
That is normally fine, and which is why I am fine with X-3 despite most people hating it. However a bad movie, is a bad movie. Wolverine was awful, was it fun? I had no fun watching it. I liked the movie until Logan goes to become a lumberjack, then I couldn't stand a single minute of it. I know it's a comic book movie, I know it's supposed to be fun and entertaining, but it was neither. It had SO many problems that made "the moment" completely unenjoyable for me. Like I said, I liked the beginning, then it just went awful. And come on "DID YOU CALL ME BLOB?!?!" "No I called you bub!" .........really?
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At least you got to see the guy from Black Eyed Peas die painfully. :)
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At least you got to see the guy from Black Eyed Peas die painfully. :)
I haven't seen the movie in a long time (for obvious reasons), but when they go to get that meteor or whatever, was that vibranium or adamantium?
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At least you got to see the guy from Black Eyed Peas die painfully. :)
I haven't seen the movie in a long time (for obvious reasons), but when they go to get that meteor or whatever, was that vibranium or adamantium?
I don't remember.
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Tyler Mane should have at least been Sabertooth again, not Liev Schreiber.
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I thought Liev was awesome. Sure he was a totally different character, but at least I cared about him. The Sabertooth from X-Men might as well have been named "Evil Henchman 1".
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Tyler Mane could have pulled it off, they just underused his character in the first one, which pissed me off. Mane also looked like how Sabertooth should have looked like in the movie. Liev did do a pretty good job considering the movie was shit but personally, I don't think they should have cast him.
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Agreed. Liev Shcreiber was superior. This and X-Men: First Class are pretty ripe with continuity errors. The latter of which would be pretty strong if it could just make up its mind on whether it's a prequel or a reboot. As it is, it's incredibly half-assed and only follows the other films when it's most convenient.
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Agreed. Liev Shcreiber was superior. This and X-Men: First Class are pretty ripe with continuity errors. The latter of which would be pretty strong if it could just make up its mind on whether it's a prequel or a reboot. As it is, it's incredibly half-assed and only follows the other films when it's most convenient.
I take it as a reboot, because there's so many continuity errors that I can't think of it as a prequel.
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Tyler Mane should have at least been Sabertooth again, not Liev Schreiber.
As much as I like Tyler Mane, the character in this film needed more acting chops. Lots of dialogue and such. I think Liev did an excellent job and was one of the highlights of the film.
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Let's all just pretend that Origins was a Syfy original movie. That way, there will be no questioning whether it is canon or not, because lol portnoy... I mean, lol Syfy.
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Agreed. Liev Shcreiber was superior. This and X-Men: First Class are pretty ripe with continuity errors. The latter of which would be pretty strong if it could just make up its mind on whether it's a prequel or a reboot. As it is, it's incredibly half-assed and only follows the other films when it's most convenient.
I take it as a reboot, because there's so many continuity errors that I can't think of it as a prequel.
Agreed, even though the director says it's a prequel and there are clearly a number of attempts at making it that way. I just wish they would commit to one or the other.
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The director said it was a prequel? I mean.........aside from the Logan cameo and the intro, there's nothing linking them.
Also, he told the actors to completely dismiss the previous performances of the characters and do their own thing, which is why Michael didn't speak with any kind of British accent.
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The director said it was a prequel? I mean.........aside from the Logan cameo and the intro, there's nothing linking them.
Also, he told the actors to completely dismiss the previous performances of the characters and do their own thing, which is why Michael didn't speak with any kind of British accent.
I believe he admitted to it in an interview, yeah. There are some things like the young Magneto scenes, Mystique's appearance, the cameos, and some other stuff that's not coming to me off the top of my head.
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The director said it was a prequel? I mean.........aside from the Logan cameo and the intro, there's nothing linking them.
Also, he told the actors to completely dismiss the previous performances of the characters and do their own thing, which is why Michael didn't speak with any kind of British accent.
I believe he admitted to it in an interview, yeah. There are some things like the young Magneto scenes, Mystique's appearance, the cameos, and some other stuff that's not coming to me off the top of my head.
Let's see, the beginning stuff with Erik, Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Stamos, I'm trying to think of other aspects that linked it but I can't come up with it. Obviously there's way more stuff that doesn't link it, like Erik having a totally different accent, Beast now being around 60 something in X3, Xavier no longer being able to walk in X3 (the beginning), Storm being a nickel and dime prostitute in the streets of Las Vegas, Erik no longer helping Xavier build Cerebro, Alex Summers being like 20 years older than Scott Summers, etc. It's a great movie (minus the ending) but it's a horrible prequel if that's what it's supposed to be.
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The director said it was a prequel? I mean.........aside from the Logan cameo and the intro, there's nothing linking them.
Also, he told the actors to completely dismiss the previous performances of the characters and do their own thing, which is why Michael didn't speak with any kind of British accent.
I believe he admitted to it in an interview, yeah. There are some things like the young Magneto scenes, Mystique's appearance, the cameos, and some other stuff that's not coming to me off the top of my head.
Let's see, the beginning stuff with Erik, Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Stamos, I'm trying to think of other aspects that linked it but I can't come up with it. Obviously there's way more stuff that doesn't link it, like Erik having a totally different accent, Beast now being around 60 something in X3, Xavier no longer being able to walk in X3 (the beginning), Storm being a nickel and dime prostitute in the streets of Las Vegas, Erik no longer helping Xavier build Cerebro, Alex Summers being like 20 years older than Scott Summers, etc. It's a great movie (minus the ending) but it's a horrible prequel if that's what it's supposed to be.
Yeah, Cyclops' "little" brother could almost be his father. And don't forget that Moira MacTaggert is in her 30's, but to coincide with X3, she'd have to be about negative six.
And Xavier/Mystique. It's not like they just met once, that would be no big deal. Now it's like they grew up as brother and sister.
But, Matthew Vaughn doesn't seem to care. https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=21023
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I was fine with the Xavier/Raven relationship, I didn't think it contradicted anything in the other movies.
And yea I forgot about Moira. I love that they got an Australian actress to play what is supposed to be an Irish character as an American.
Mathew seemed to really want to change up accents, between making Erik was sounded like American, and of course making Moira America etc he just seemed to not care about the peoples voices from the other movies.
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I was fine with the Xavier/Raven relationship, I didn't think it contradicted anything in the other movies.
Apart from Mystique and Xavier being complete strangers when they first see each other in X-Men, no it doesn't. Also, didn't she go into the mansion completely undetected in one of the movies? You'd think Xavier would know, seeing as they grew up together.
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I was fine with the Xavier/Raven relationship, I didn't think it contradicted anything in the other movies.
Apart from Mystique and Xavier being complete strangers when they first see each other in X-Men, no it doesn't. Also, didn't she go into the mansion completely undetected in one of the movies? You'd think Xavier would know, seeing as they grew up together.
On a related note.................HEY LOOK OVER THERE!
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The greatest telepath in Earth, duped by the oldest trick in the book!
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Yeah, not to mention X1 being the first meeting between Magneto and Wolverine.
"That metal doesn't run through your whole body, does it?" (paraphrasing)
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Yeah, not to mention X1 being the first meeting between Magneto and Wolverine.
"That metal doesn't run through your whole body, does it?" (paraphrasing)
Well if I'm not mistaken Logan didn't have the metal in First Class. And I doubt you'd expect anyone to remember someone they met for 5 seconds 40 years later.
Also, I can easily explain why X doesn't remember Raven.............................he got shot in the head which conveniently erased all of the important memories but nothing else.
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Yeah, not to mention X1 being the first meeting between Magneto and Wolverine.
"That metal doesn't run through your whole body, does it?" (paraphrasing)
Well if I'm not mistaken Logan didn't have the metal in First Class. And I doubt you'd expect anyone to remember someone they met for 5 seconds 40 years later.
Also, I can easily explain why X doesn't remember Raven.............................he got shot in the head which conveniently erased all of the important memories but nothing else.
Right right right. I forgot that he didn't have the metal yet. Point conceded.