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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: bosk1 on September 08, 2011, 08:55:30 AM
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Officially, we were not going to allow discussion until Monday. However, since the entire album is now legally streaming on Roadrunner Germany, there is no point in banning discussion. For now, keep all discussion of the album in this thread. Thanks.
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You can now stream ADTOE at: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.de/germany/webwheel/dreamtheater/a-dramatic-turn-of-events
I'm stunned...
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Looks like a leak, but a legit leak.
*brainsplode*
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Not really a leak, the album has been officially released in Germany.
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Looks like a leak, but a legit leak.
*brainsplode*
Its from RR page...so it's official
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*waits to hear the verdict on whether this is ok to post or not*
:corn
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
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:tup
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Woah. Listening now, lol at a "leak" that we can talk about.
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
Let's not get silly. SDOIT is untouchable.
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
Let's not get silly. SDOIT is untouchable.
No, it isn't.
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OMG Bridges In The Sky....this chorus is so addicting :metal
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
Let's not get silly. SDOIT is untouchable.
No, it isn't.
Yeah it is.
Two can play at that game! In fact, two have to play at that game.
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OMG Bridges In The Sky....this chorus is so addicting :metal
Outcry's chorus is better, although barely. But still...
SUN
COME SHINE MY WAY
MAAAAAY HEALING WATERS BURY ALL MY PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
Let's not get silly. SDOIT is untouchable.
No, it isn't.
Yeah it is.
Two can play at that game! In fact, two have to play at that game.
But three can also play... SDOIT is touchable.
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After listening to the album at least 5 times, I maintain that the highs in this album are really high old-DT highs and the lows are average modern-DT lows. Best songs are Lost Not Forgotten, Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions.
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What I really like about the album is that they finally dared things again. There is some sick stuff in there that I have not fully digested yet, and that's an effect that I haven't had essentially since SFAM or 6DOIT.
And, there's some really fresh chord progressions in there.
rumborak
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What I really like about the album is that they finally dared things again. There is some sick stuff in there that I have not fully digested yet, and that's an effect that I haven't had essentially since SFAM or 6DOIT.
And, there's some really fresh chord progressions in there.
rumborak
+1
it took me weeks to fully get the SFAM and it became my all time best piece of art ever. now i have similar feelings - that's very promising
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Let's not get silly. SDOIT is untouchable.
This.
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Beneath The Surface makes me want to shed manly tears :'(
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I think i may be the only person on the planet (whos heard this album a few times) who doesnt like it! Nothing seems memorable to me and some parts make me cringe. I wish they had recorded the album with Mangini after the tour and let him run a bit more wild on the tracks, its like every drum pattern seems a bit bland and i think 'where is the Mangini i saw live a few weeks ago?' then i hear a little run on the octobans and think is that it!
To me it does seem like there is something missing... Maybe i will miss Portnoys influence afterall?
Almost every part of every song sounds like or is the same formula as parts in past albums almost like left over riffs, sounds like Ive heard this all before but not in a nice familiar way.
Seems like a lot of the rhythm guitar is just chugging on the same lowest note which was awesome on songs like The Mirror, but seems overdone and a bit boring on this album.
Whilst i like JLBs solo albums - you could describe them as sounding a little like Dream Theater but with something missing... This is how the new DT album sounds to me.
Im sorry to sound so negative but i guess with all the great reviews DT must take the rough with the smooth HOWEVER this is definitely not my final opinion on this album, we should all review the album again in 6 months, as all the albums have taken a while to sink in. Im trying not to get caught up in all the hype with the new Machinehead album also as the reviews of that have also said album of the year material.
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This album is sick. Easily their best since SDOIT. This is like SFAM all over again except it's not a concept album. So much going on these songs, very proggy and technical with beautiful melodies. Not a single bad song, they're all really good or great. Mangini is great but I still prefer MP's drumming.
Overall grade: A+
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
OK you're saying it, but not first. But it is awesome.
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AOTY.
Every song is just fantastic.
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Best songs are Lost Not Forgotten
Uhm...no way man.
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Why not? LNF is pretty damn awesome.
Actually they all are.
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I know the Muse thing is a contentious topic but I totally get a knights of cydonia feel from Lost Not Forgotten (the beginning). While definitely not a rip off at all...I just get thy vibe. This song and BAI are definite favorites! Totally amazing album. I've spun the disc many times and it gets even better with every listen. DT are back.
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Why not? LNF is pretty damn awesome.
LNF is quite possibly my favourite. :tup
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LNF has got the epic piano intro, blistering epicness, crazy grooves, soaring vocals. Totally amazing song.
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I have a feeling this will take a few listens to really grasp.
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Loading now, very excite.
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Breaking All Illusions is definitely a top 10 DT song.
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Breaking All Illusions is definitely a top 10 DT song.
Agreed!
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I'm going to wait for the official UK release on Monday. For now I'll just tide myself over by reading these comments. (of which are making me very excited!)
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Breaking All Illusions is definitely a top 10 DT song.
It sounds like a modern day LtL. Especially the first verse :hefdaddy
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Im a really big fan of the ballads on this album! They are all pretty different, and melodically very beautiful.
Lost not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky completely raped my head when i first listened to it. My god! :metal
Breaking all Illusions is probably the best track overall. Classic DT!
Build me up, break me down is really cool! Love the modern feel, and how they experimented with it. JLB is on fire!
Outcry is to much to handle right now.. That one needs a couple of more listens..
OTBOA is as good as when i first heard it.
I loved Black Clouds, SC, 8vm and TOT when they came out as well, but this is the first one where after the first listen i thought: "Damn.. This is going to be a classic DT-album!"
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I will go and listen now! Very excited!
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Outcry certainly gets easier to handle after multiple listens. The instrumental is...mental. I love how there is a real LTE feel on a couple of tracks. Totally love the album.
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What I love is EVERYONE is on fire on this album. Myung is audible and doing interesting things for the first time in years, Rudess has really mixed things up and is providing a ton of stringy and choir-y atmosphere stuff, LaBrie just sounds awesome everywhere (the end of Beneath the Surface :hefdaddy), Petrucci has monster riffs and beautiful solos on practically every song, and Mangini is... Mangini!
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Beneath the Surface is probably their best ballad-esque song since Disappear. So emotional.
Oh, and JP's lyrics seem to be much improved this time around.
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Best album since ToT except maybe Octavarium the song.
I wouldn't call it a return to "classic DT", it feels like a progression along the path that started with Octavarium and continued with SC/BCSL, only... not terrible.
I wonder what changed. :\
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Outcry just totally blew my mind. It punched me in the face and was like "DT is back, inferiors"
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I LOVE THIS ALBUM. Contrary to early reviews, I love BMUBMD. Love the eagle screech doubling.
BAI is epic. Labrie and Myung step up large, JLB really shows off that he's not replaceable, despite
what MP thinks, Mangini, I love his playing - but he should have been involved in the writing
to add more cool stuff. It's a little stock, lol.
SO ENERGY! POWAH!
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Outcry has a sick instrumental section, but other than that I would rank it at the bottom here. But I've only heard it a few times.
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Strong fanboyism in here, but I don't know what I was expecting really! It's no understatement to say that this album is better than the last two or three by quite some way, though.
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Strong fanboyism in here, but I don't know what I was expecting really! It's no understatement to say that this album is better than the last two or three by quite some way, though.
So you're surprised that the eagerly awaited album since MP's departure that you feel is better than the last 3 albums is being fanboi'd?
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Is it just me or does the end of "Bridges in the Sky" sound like a song off Final Fantasy VIII?
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Is it just me or does the end of "Bridges in the Sky" sound like a song off Final Fantasy VIII?
Ooh, sounds intriguing. Can't wait to dig in to this after class today.
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Outcry has a sick instrumental section, but other than that I would rank it at the bottom here. But I've only heard it a few times.
best chorus on the album, instrumental section is a little long :/
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to me this feels fresh, inspired and new and I love it, definitely my favorite since scenes from a memory
James definitely is singing with a lot of passion on this cd and you can hear it all over.
I've never been one to jump the gun with new DT releases, but this album has some killer songs especially bridges in the sky and lost not forgotten
I love the instrumental section in outcry, I feel like I am going to die
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Strong fanboyism in here, but I don't know what I was expecting really! It's no understatement to say that this album is better than the last two or three by quite some way, though.
So you're surprised that the eagerly awaited album since MP's departure that you feel is better than the last 3 albums is being fanboi'd?
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Did you read the first half of the post. Of course I expected it. Everything DT released would get fanboyed. You can't judge anything until the hype dies down. Read the BC&SL thread on here and what people say about the weaker tracks on that.
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This album is fucking good.
A+
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Outcry has a sick instrumental section, but other than that I would rank it at the bottom here. But I've only heard it a few times.
best chorus on the album, instrumental section is a little long :/
It by far takes up the longest percentage of the song compared to the other 10+ minute songs on the album. It's a bit much for me, although I think the others got a good balance.
(I think LNF, BITS and TITL have the best choruses, but Outcry's chorus is the best part of it).
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Lost Not Forgotten's chorus is entirely forgettable. Bridges is great, TITL is solid.
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Outcry has the best instrumental part since TDOE, hands down.
Although the song goes something like...
Alright, revolutions in the middle east.
Resistance! Stand and be counted!
We will gain our freedo.... w... what the..
WHAT THE FF... WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY FACE
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5 minutes later...
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Yeah, so... revolutions. :laugh:
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Myung is so playing his ass off on this. I'm LOVING the Gentle giant, yes, deep purple, LTE, old DT aspects of this album.
Lots to like.
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Lost Not Forgotten's chorus is entirely forgettable. Bridges is great, TITL is solid.
TITL's regular chorus is solid, but once it gets to the end where it's sung an octave higher, and has the additional ending, then I'm completely hooked and think it's fantastical. But I've always been a fan of the more ballady choruses, perhaps more so than most.
We'll have to agree to disagree on LNF though. I really like the energy of it, and the harmonies.
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So good. So, so good. High tier album, I guess.
And holy shit, JM is totally on fire during Outcry.
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Since I have been a member I
have never posted my thoughts on a new album upon release and to be honest it took like weeks or so to really dive into Octavarium, systematic and black clouds. Till this day they are not among my favorites. So what I am trying to say, since I am posting about this album everything I say is 100% correct. This album is solid from top to bottom and is a winner IMO. that doesn;t mean that aren't weak points because there certainly are, but to me they are forgiveable. Like I said above, fresh and inspired and James sounds great on this album.
I will say outcry does take multiple listens to grasp it, but it took awhile for me to get into the title track 8vm and now it's a top 5 DT song for me.
I love LNF, bridges, breaking and beneath the surface. so passsion so energy!!!!
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Lost Not Forgotten's chorus is entirely forgettable. Bridges is great, TITL is solid.
TITL's regular chorus is solid, but once it gets to the end where it's sung an octave higher, and has the additional ending, then I'm completely hooked and think it's fantastical. But I've always been a fan of the more ballady choruses, perhaps more so than most.
We'll have to agree to disagree on LNF though. I really like the energy of it, and the harmonies.
Agreed on the last chorus of TITL. LNF's chorus is fine but it's not memorable to me.
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Lost Not Forgotten's chorus is entirely forgettable. Bridges is great, TITL is solid.
TITL's regular chorus is solid, but once it gets to the end where it's sung an octave higher, and has the additional ending, then I'm completely hooked and think it's fantastical. But I've always been a fan of the more ballady choruses, perhaps more so than most.
We'll have to agree to disagree on LNF though. I really like the energy of it, and the harmonies.
I really like it too. The end, and the bridge itself has a nice chorusy type feel.
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So far I think it's the best album since 6DOIT. I also thought BC&SL was one of their best albums since then too though, and that opinion changed very fast over the course of a few months. But this feels like a new experiment for them, one that I remember hearing on SFAM and I LOVE that part about it. BC&SL never gave me that feel about it. It just felt very standard rockesque.
A lot of good stuff about this album. So far I like everything with the exception of BMUBMD, that could be one of their worst songs ever imo.
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My verdict right now is that the album is in the middle of the pack, competing with the other "tier 2" DT albums I listed in that one thread. ADTOE is good. It might even be very good, but Lost Not Forgotten and This is the Life bring it way down. I can't tell you a single detail about them. To me, they were just easily forgettable. However, Breaking All Illusions, Bridges in the Sky, Far From Heaven, Beneath the Surface, and On the Backs of Angels are fantastic songs.
A few things I'm really happy about:
-The abandonment of the standard solo tradeoffs that were dominating their "instrumental sections." Looks to me like DT looked at Metropolis, which most would probably say is the quintessential Dream Theater song, and realized that so many people love it partly because of the instrumental section that goes all over the place but is filled with memorable parts. So there's a lot of Metropolis and ACoS influence on this album, and that's a good thing.
-Electronic drums. Bit of an odd thing to be happy about, but I loved their inclusion in Outcry and BMUBMD. I'm sure MP would have never allowed electronic drums like that, since they haven't done them since that one bit in ITNOG.
-Rudess piano. The one thing I've wanted to hear more from Dream Theater since I first heard SFAM. Its everywhere and that makes me happy.
-James producing his own vocals. The chorus to Bridges in the Sky might be the best part of the album. We're hearing a tone that James hasn't shown us before. Its subtle, but its powerful and gritty. He's letting himself really use his voice on this album, and he hasn't sounded this good in the studio since Awake. I mean, he's always sounded fine in the studio after his injury, but this album actually made me :omg: at the ways James was using his voice.
However, there are a few problems:
-Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, BMUBMD: overall they're pretty forgettable songs, except BMUBMD which just suffers from a boring instrumental section.
Overall, its actually kind of disappointing. Had those three songs in between OTBOA and Bridges in the Sky been cut, it could have challenged Scenes. Its certainly not the comeback masterpiece that I hoped for, but Dream Theater did have something to prove: that they could make a Dream Theater album without Mike Portnoy. And they certainly did. Not sure if its better or worse yet, but I'm very excited that they're stepping up and shaking up their game. Once they get more comfortable with Mangini in the band and bring him in to do some writing I think we could see another 5-star album.
Also, obligatory rankings:
Breaking All Illusions
Far From Heaven
Bridges in the Sky
Beneath the Surface
On the Backs of Angels
Outcry
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This is the Life
Lost Not Forgotten
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At some point during LNF I just had to laugh, there was so much awesome that I couldn't do anything else. And then I got to Outcry and my head exploded. AND THEN when I got to Beneath The Surface... I felt like.. I dunno. It left me kinda euphoric, a little speechless, and vaguely confused about where I was and what I had been doing previously. So I guess what I'm saying is that BTS is like sex.
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YES RANKINGS
Lost Not Forgotten
Bridges in the Sky
This is the Life
Breaking All Illusions
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Beneath the Surface
Outcry
Considering how solid this album is, those rankings don't mean a lot though. The only song I'm not interested in is Outcry. It just hasn't grabbed me at all, although there's nothing particularly wrong with it.
The rest I've grown to really like and love. And if anything, they continue to grow after wearing them out for two months straight.
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If you seek song rankings...
Breaking All Illusions
Outcry
Bridges in the Sky (truth be told, BitS and Outcry are pretty much tied, they have so much going for them)
Beneath the Surface
This is the Life (that last guitar solo, holy crap)
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Lost Not Forgotten
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
I'm not very fond of LNF, honestly. I don't like it all that much. Maybe I should give it a couple more spins?
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Is the stream loading extremely slow for anyone else? If I wait a minute I get like three seconds of music.
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The great thing is that the album is a grower. I wrote my initial review after having heard it a few times but I rate it even higher a month down the line.
There are loads of things hidden in there - like theres a keyboard part about 50 seconds into Outcry that sounds like something off SFaM.
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Rankings:
Beneath The Surface, which is so so so beautiful.
Bridges In The Sky
Breaking All Illusions
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
This Is The Life
On The Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Build Me Up, Break Me Down.
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I've been spinning this non-stop since about five minutes after this thread was created! Loving it more and more with every spin and I already love it.
Also, obligatory holy fuck Mangini! :metal
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I've been spinning this non-stop since about five minutes after this thread was created! Loving it more and more with every spin and I already love it.
Also, obligatory holy fuck Mangini! :metal
Seriously? From other things I've read it sounds like he is underwhelming. Hoping to be proved wrong, I don't want to be thinking "man what could 1990s MP do with these songs *drool*".
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My personal rankings:
1. This is the life (LOVE the feel of this song, one of the first ballads I have liked this much in a while)
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2. Bridges In The Sky
3. Breaking All Illusions
4. Lost not forgotten
These three feel like the real heart of the album. They are all quite spectacular
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5. On The Backs of Angels
6. Outcry
7. Far From Heaven
8. Beneath The Surface
All solid songs, I expected far from heaven to be a little better and it just wasn't.
Best JLB performance for a whole album in a LONG LONG time. I am thoroughly enjoying it.
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9999. Build me up, break me down
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I've been spinning this non-stop since about five minutes after this thread was created! Loving it more and more with every spin and I already love it.
Also, obligatory holy fuck Mangini! :metal
Seriously? From other things I've read it sounds like he is underwhelming. Hoping to be proved wrong, I don't want to be thinking "man what could 1990s MP do with these songs *drool*".
I think MM is great on the album, but he's mixed lower than other DT albums. So sometimes you have to be listening for stuff to notice it, rather than having it more upfront and obvious.
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I've been spinning this non-stop since about five minutes after this thread was created! Loving it more and more with every spin and I already love it.
Also, obligatory holy fuck Mangini! :metal
Seriously? From other things I've read it sounds like he is underwhelming. Hoping to be proved wrong, I don't want to be thinking "man what could 1990s MP do with these songs *drool*".
I don't think these reviewers have heard some of the crazy subtle shit that Mangini is doing. End of the Outcry instrumental section, Lost Not Forgotten (the entire song), Breaking All Illusions, etc. The guy is a fucking monster.
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I've been spinning this non-stop since about five minutes after this thread was created! Loving it more and more with every spin and I already love it.
Also, obligatory holy fuck Mangini! :metal
Seriously? From other things I've read it sounds like he is underwhelming. Hoping to be proved wrong, I don't want to be thinking "man what could 1990s MP do with these songs *drool*".
He's not underwhelming, his playing is quite amazing, but he definitely "plays for the song" more than portnoy ever could. I would like to see him stretch out on DT12, after they have a while to gel together. Not saying there aren't :eek moments, but it could be a little busier. I think if he overplayed maybe by 25% more, it would be perfect :metal
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Haven't heard the whole thing yet, but just now I listened to Bridges In The Sky. From the moment there was mention of a strange "shaman call" at the start, I had a funny feeling it was JR using one of the Tuvan Throat Singer sounds from Omnisphere, and I was right! :lol
EDIT: Holy crap that choir at the start singing "Agnus Dei" is from Omnisphere aswell. I used it the other day in a song I made! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYPj_fuRE4
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Also one last comment about the mix.. Guitars are way too loud for most of the songs. Bass is at it's best level since FII and the vocals are perfect. Keyboard is either way too in your face or melded somewhere in the background. And the drums are way too low.
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Yeah, so:
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges In The Sky
Beneath The Surface
On The Backs of Angels
Lost Not Forgotten
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This Is The Life
Far From Heaven
Outcry
That's not really saying anything about the quality of Far From Heaven or Outcry, because every single song on this album is very good.
Outcry has started to catch on a bit, but im not really sure what to thing yet. Some parts are really good, but i get completely lost during the instrumental section. But, its prog - it's supposed to be this way! ;) It will probably end up climbing to before or after Lost Not Forgotten in a matter of listenings.
I don't understand how people don't like This Is The Life though. The verse-melody is very beautiful, and even though the chorus aint their best, it sure as hell aint bad! Judging only the ballads: So far im liking it better than Far From Heaven, but Beneath The Surface is just so beautiful, it will probably end up becoming their best ballad to date.
Judging the entire album: It's defenitely their best since SDOIT. Since SDOIT is their best album ever (IMO), it will probably end up being tied with SFAM, after SDOIT, IAW and Awake. So far, their 4th best then :smiley:
This my change though.. Im still only on my third listen.
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Fuck me, the guitar solo in BAI. :omg:
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Haven't heard the whole thing yet, but just now I listened to Bridges In The Sky. From the moment there was mention of a strange "shaman call" at the start, I had a funny feeling it was JR using one of the Tuvan Throat Singer sounds from Omnisphere, and I was right! :lol
EDIT: Holy crap that choir at the start singing "Agnus Dei" is from Omnisphere aswell. I used it the other day in a song I made! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYPj_fuRE4
Nah - it's Barney Gumble ;)
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My personal rankings:
AWESOME :hefdaddy:
1. Lost Not Forgotten
2. Breaking All Illusions
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VERY GOOD :tup:
3. Bridges In The Sky
4. On The Backs of Angels
5. This is The Life
6. Beneath The Surface
7. Outcry
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GOOD :corn
8. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (really sounds more like a JLB solo song than a DT song)
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OK :\
9. Far From Heaven
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Fuck me, the guitar solo in BAI. :omg:
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Freaking awsome solo!
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I was really looking forward to Bridges In The Sky and Outcry, some of the descriptions of them made me think they might be my favourite songs rather than Breaking All Illusions. But after Breaking All Illusions... sorry, no :lol Nothing completely hit me as much as that did in just a single listen, I was literally grinning as soon as the intro started, and then hearing the part that is reprised later in the sample and the chorus melody (I only listened once to the sample as I didn't want to spoil the song, but it still managed to stick somewhere in my head obviously...). Maybe Build Me Up, Break Me Down struck me on first listen as much but that's a little different since it's nowhere near as good and it's not one of the 10 minute, prog epics.
Although I loved everything about Outcry straight away, apart from the instrumental section. Listened again and appreciated the instrumental more (I think that's really what it takes with DT's instrumentals, to listen with an open mind rather than just thinking - "Oh, here comes an instrumental = wankery that I hate"). Still though, even with the instrumental I feel like they could have had more of the rest of the song. The chorus is awesome, but it's hard for it to be the "anthem" of the album if we only hear it twice seven minuts apart.
Bridges In The Sky didn't quite jump out as much as BAI or most of Outcry when I listened first but I played those three songs again and it sounds just overall awesome.
Breaking All Illusions
Outcry
Bridges In The Sky
On The Backs Of Angels
This Is The Life
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Beneath The Surface
Lost Not Forgotten
Far From Heaven
I expect a lot of change. Lost Not Forgotten was cool (listening I honestly think Under A Glass Moon meets The Dark Eternal Night meets The Dance Of Eternity) and even though I found the melodies really weird when listening they are stuck with me more than anything else from the album. This Is The Life, BMU,BMD, and Beneath The Surface are all great, BMU,BMD is pretty unique (didn't expect the Linkin Park comments to ring so true - after all, for all I know they could have came from the same people who would have you believe Honor Thy Father sounds like Linkin Park) but hey, Linkin Park were one of the first bands I got into when I was younger so it doesn't bother me. Still, I expect I'll come to appreciate Lost Not Forgotten and Beneath The Surface more than it, since it's already pretty close. Also, On The Backs Of Angels could be passed by just about everything eventually. I have listened to it several times and every other song maybe once or twice.
On the whole, a great album - a DT album. Apart from BAI and parts of Outcry (and maybe BMUBMD for being so different) it didn't blow me away on first listen, but things rarely do for me. It will take time to see how it compares to the other DT albums but just based on the songs that are on there and how much I'm guessing I'll like them on repeated listens, I'm thinking 4th or 5th overall, either ahead or behind SFAM.
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I personally don't care if what Mangini is doing for this album isn't mindblowingly awesome. After all, this is his debut on a DT album, so I think it makes sense in a weird way that they don't wanna take risks with him. I expect we'll have the top blown off next time 'round.
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My ranking right now:
Bridges In The Sky
Breaking All Illusions
Lost Not Forgotten
Beneath The Surface
On The Backs Of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This Is The Life
Far From Heaven
Outcry
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
ADTOE is nothing special. There are great parts, but the majority of it is forgettable.
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
ADTOE is nothing special. There are great parts, but the majority of it is forgettable.
Really? This strikes me as something a touch more consistent than the last few releases. It's one of the main strengths of this album. It has its weaknesses, yes, but inconsistent it ain't.
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Breaking All Illusions
On The Backs Of Angels
Bridges In The Sky
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Beneath The Surface
This Is The Life
Far From Heaven
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After a few listens, this is most definitely shaping up to be a top 3 album for me. I just want to point out though that the vocal melody in BitS (the part at the end of the chorus, "the fabric of reality is TEARRRRRINGGG apart") is cringe-worthy.
That being said:
1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Beneath the Surface
3. Bridges in the Sky
4. Outcry
5. Lost Not Forgotten
6. This is the Life
7. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
8. Far From Heaven
9. On the Backs of Angels
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How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Agreed! And after the dust has settled, we may just find that it's even stronger than 6DOIT.
ADTOE is nothing special. There are great parts, but the majority of it is forgettable.
absolute rubbish - imho - this is their best album for many years. BAI may already be in my 5 top DT songs ever. :hefdaddy
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I personally don't care if what Mangini is doing for this album isn't mindblowingly awesome. After all, this is his debut on a DT album, so I think it makes sense in a weird way that they don't wanna take risks with him. I expect we'll have the top blown off next time 'round.
While what Mangini is doing across this album may not be "in your face", he lays off the ride cymbal and he is mixed quieter than the drums on the last two albums so you might have to pay attention more often....However, if you take a close listen to it, you will have your mind blown. He is doing things that could not be done by MP (There is one section where he is playing 4 different rhythms at the same time). Almost throughout the album he is accenting JR or JP with his hands while at the same time laying down a solid rhythm with JMX. He also has more "swing" than MP.
I guess the real genius of MM on this album is how well he fits in with the whole of the band. It will be interesting to see what/if he does differently on DT12, but there is much meat on the bone in his drumming on ADTOE.
As for the rest of the album...this is why I love DT. From the opening of OTBOA when the chorus comes in to the final mellow notes of BTS this has the feel of an album and is a great listen from front to back. I realize that BAI and Outcry will probably be the "fan favorites" from the album, but BITS is the one song that I could just put on repeat and listen to over and over and over...and I really dig LNF, the lyrics are great from the opening "I'm just a man". Those two songs have really captured my imagination, but I can't wait to listen to the album a few hundred more times.
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I definately think that Bridges In The Sky will be a great concert opener if they choose to do so
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just think of Lost Not Forgotten opening a show.
How awesome is that going to be?!!?!
For Lost Not Forgotten i didn't have huge expectations and it's ended up being my favourite so far.
Ranking:
1) Lost Not Forgotten
2) Breaking All Illusions
3) Outcry
4) Beneath The Surface
5) Bridges in the Sky
6) This is the Life
7) On The Back of Angels
8) Far From Heaven
9) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Far From Heaven is a beautiful track though. Absolute nothing against any of the bottom 3 tracks because they are all solid 8/10s. Lyrically, some of the best material DT has written in a decade or so.
Album rating - 9.5/10. WONDERFUL :metal
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I'm giving it a 6.5/10.
There are some great moments, and less embarrassing ones, but most of the songs still suffer from the same problems as the previous two releases.
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GP: Who is that in your avatar?
And concerning what I've heard thus far, Lost Not Forgotten is my next favorite after Bridges In The Sky
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Judging the entire album: It's defenitely their best since SDOIT. Since SDOIT is their best album ever (IMO), it will probably end up being tied with SFAM, after SDOIT, IAW and Awake. So far, their 4th best then :smiley:
This, word for word, is exactly how I currently rank the DT discography.
This album is miraculously good; not a single song I dislike on it, OTBOA is probably my least favourite at this point and I still find it amazing. BAI and FFH are my overall favourite songs right now, but Outcry and BTS blew me away on first listen, and the last four tracks are generally the best four-track run DT have had in years. Magnificent. AOTY is an understatement.
Agreed with what people have said about James (his voice is powerful, multidimensional and generally godly here - plus, those high screams in BMUBMD! :omg:) and Myung, whose moments in Outcry, LNF and BAI are incredible. Jordan owns the album, but that's to be expected, and Petrucci and Mangini, besides serving up some of the coolest heavy parts DT have ever had, both present their own moments of epicness (the solo to TITL, the BAI solo, every damn fill in LNF, the list goes on). It's just got so many amazing contributions from each member, and that's what I think makes it so awesometacular. This isn't the 'MP, JP and friends' that wrote BCSL - this is Dream Theater.
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GP: Who is that in your avatar?
And concerning what I've heard thus far, Lost Not Forgotten is my next favorite after Bridges In The Sky
I believe thats Bruce Dickinson.
And on a sad note: I just noticed my post count is down another two hundred posts (I think). :'(
I know I had around 700 or more, originally, so its sad to be back in "Hey noob lol" territory.
Back on topic, I love this album!
Far from Heaven :metal (well its rocking in the ballad sense)
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Amazing album. Sounds like a fresh, young band that was highly inspired by old DT.
My personal Ranking:
Lost Not Forgotten
Outcry
Beneath The Surface
Breaking All Illusions
This Is The Life
Bridges In The Sky
Far From Heaven
On The Backs Of Angels*
Build Me Up, Break Me Down**
*Just because it's a bit overplayed in head; great song nonetheless.
**It's also great and the ending strings are very haunting, but there are 8 better tracks in the album.
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Judging the entire album: It's defenitely their best since SDOIT. Since SDOIT is their best album ever (IMO), it will probably end up being tied with SFAM, after SDOIT, IAW and Awake. So far, their 4th best then :smiley:
This, word for word, is exactly how I currently rank the DT discography.
This album is miraculously good; not a single song I dislike on it, OTBOA is probably my least favourite at this point and I still find it amazing. BAI and FFH are my overall favourite songs right now, but Outcry and BTS blew me away on first listen, and the last four tracks are generally the best four-track run DT have had in years. Magnificent. AOTY is an understatement.
Agreed with what people have said about James (his voice is powerful, multidimensional and generally godly here - plus, those high screams in BMUBMD! :omg:) and Myung, whose moments in Outcry, LNF and BAI are incredible. Jordan owns the album, but that's to be expected, and Petrucci and Mangini, besides serving up some of the coolest heavy parts DT have ever had, both present their own moments of epicness (the solo to TITL, the BAI solo, every damn fill in LNF, the list goes on). It's just got so many amazing contributions from each member, and that's what I think makes it so awesometacular. This isn't the 'MP, JP and friends' that wrote BCSL - this is Dream Theater.
Very well put.
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What I really like about the album is that they finally dared things again. There is some sick stuff in there that I have not fully digested yet, and that's an effect that I haven't had essentially since SFAM or 6DOIT.
And, there's some really fresh chord progressions in there.
rumborak
Funny.
My thoughts were nearly the polar opposite. I could name at least a half dozen if not more times when I heard re-used riffs, sounds, vocal arranging/style, and other stuff that is completely recycled from old albums and James' solo stuff.
I like the disc, alot. It's very good. I just found it, very safe--back to what we know worked because mike is gone- type stuff.
the long songs are VERY good.
It's a safe disc.
"daring"......not so much.
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I see Far From Heaven at the bottom of pretty much everyone's list, I'm sorry but that song is just gorgeous and needs more appreciating. As far all the other songs, amazing.
Ranking:
Breaking All Illusions/Far From Heaven (I'm connecting both songs together)
Outcry
Beneath The Surface
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
On The Backs of Angels
Bridges in the Sky
This is The Life
Lost Not Forgotten
Man, that was hard. The only song I can truly say I'm not too crazy about is Lost Not Forgotten. Probably just needs more digesting.
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So maybe the wait to hear from Myung was worth it. While I'm not usually crazy about the soft songs, beneath the surface really blows me away. The lyrics and vocal melodies are really amazing.
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So, i have listened to the album for a few times, and i have to say it's amazing.
I like every song on the album. Even the weakest one, which is BMU, BMD, is pretty cool (much better than AROP and Forsaken, let's say it's as good as These Walls).
I absolutely love Breaking All Illusions, it is a Top 5 DT song for me, probably.
Bridges In The Sky is one of the coolest heavy songs DT has ever made. The chorus and the "SHA-MAN TAKE MY HAAAAND" transition is fantastic.
Outcry has a great chorus, too, and I can imagine how cool it would be to hear the song live. The only problem i have with it is that the instrumental section and the rest of the song seem to be inconsistent. The respective parts are awesome, though.
All of the ballads are beautiful. BTS is so uplifting, FFH is really sad, and TITL is melancholic.
Lost Not Forgotten reminds me of UAGM really much, but it's not a bad thing of course. Also, the "tickle part" actually made me laugh, that's how awesome it is.
The song ranking goes like this for me:
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges in The Sky
Lost Not Forgotten & Far From Heaven (can't decide)
Outcry
Beneath The Surface
This is The Life
On The Backs of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Actually, the album is so good, that it's hard to make such ranking, as On The Backs of Angels is almost exactly as good as Outcry for me... and there are two more songs between them.
Overally, it's truly an amazing album, I love each song. It's too early to rank it, but it's one of their best, that's for sure.
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*peeks in* .... is this allowed?
Anyone else feel UAGM when listening to Far from Heaven solo?
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The feel of Beneath The Surface reminds me a little of Hollow Years.
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Far From Heaven is incredible. I get chills during the "Not asking you to save me - I'm too far from Heaven".
JM is so present on this album, it's amazing. I love the piano+bass part after the crazy instrumental stuff in Outcry - it's like "We know we just melted your brain, here take a break and relax"
Breaking All Illusions is my favorite. That guitar solo part with the organ... speechless.
That's the DT I love.
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I see Far From Heaven at the bottom of pretty much everyone's list, I'm sorry but that song is just gorgeous and needs more appreciating. As far all the other songs, amazing.
I think it's a beautiful song too, but I ranked it lower. The album is so strong, that it's no insult for it to be ranked lower. :tup
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Rating: 6.5/10. Position: my 9th favorite DT album above FII and Awake.
1. It has two great songs: Bridges in the Sky and Breaking all illusions. Those could make my top 25. BITS's intro is cringeworthy but it is gone now thanks to Audacity.
2. The rest is kinda meh, at least for now, including Outcry, the quintesential instrumental section that goes nowhere and detracts from a few good moments in the rest of the song. The song is only around 11 minutes long but feels much longer because it is so convoluted and essentially a pointless exercise of copy/paste. Can anybody tell me where the climax of this song is supposed to be? The intro is killer, though.
3. Talking about ruining potentially good songs, Lost not Forgotten 1:54-2:34 is one of the most atrocious pieces of crap they have ever composed. I don't know who was the genius who put it right when you start thinking that the song would be great.
4. DT has consistently written vocal melodies that range from good to great, but this album has almost none of those.However, every song has a very little moment where I think "this is a great meloddd..." and then it disappears.
5. The ballads:This is the life is very good, Beneath the Surface is good (it did not achieve its purpose of being a good closer, though) and Far From Heaven is... there.
6. Build me Up, Break me down was them experimenting with something new and failing hard. Well, at least they tried.
7. Most people won't agree with me but the album is seriously lacking 2 or 3 ubber awesome Petrucci solos.
8. Sadly, the album came out when I am detached from prog metal, and that influenced my opinion about the album :(. I don't see myself listening to it much. I could listen to BIT and BAI on repeat again and again, though :).
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So far, I am loving this CD. While I agree that it comes off as mostly safe, they are quite a few new twists and turns, most of which worked well.
Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions are instant classics. The Outrcy instrumental section sounds pretty awesome to me so far.
Beneath the Surface is utterly gorgeous.
The beginning of Lost Not Forgotten pretty much follows the same pattern as Under a Glass Moon. That is not a criticism; I am merely pointing out the obvious. Good song, though!
The chorus to Build Me Up, Break Me Down is easily the worst part of the album. It reminds me of Forsaken in the sense of them attempting to write a catchy chorus, but missing the mark.
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE all of the piano on this record. In fact, this might be JR's best overall work since Scenes. I can't name one obnoxious solo from memory yet (he usually has several per album).
Mike Mangini sounds good, but honestly, he sounds like he is channeling Portnoy's style about 95% of the time, but simply mixed a bit lower. Probably best to play it safe with a change like that on the first album, but I hope they let him loose way more on the next one.
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Damn this album is GOOD! I'm only at This Is The Life, but what I've heard this far is even better than I expected - and my expectations were incredibly high after hearing all the snippets. I haven't been a fan of DT longer than since 2006-ish, so basically the only two albums I have bought on release were SC and BC&SL. This album gives me a completely different feel when hearing it. I'm sitting here almost screaming of excitement! This is the shit, wow!
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Mike Mangini sounds good, but honestly, he sounds like he is channeling Portnoy's style about 95% of the time, but simply mixed a bit lower. Probably best to play it safe with a change like that on the first album, but I hope they let him loose way more on the next one.
Considering he had JP's programmed drum tracks as a basis, which were probably influences how how he expected MP to play them, this doesn't surprise me at all. The next album I think will have MM a lot more involved from the start of the writing process.
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Agreed with what people have said about James (his voice is powerful, multidimensional and generally godly here - plus, those high screams in BMUBMD! :omg:) and Myung, whose moments in Outcry, LNF and BAI are incredible. Jordan owns the album, but that's to be expected, and Petrucci and Mangini, besides serving up some of the coolest heavy parts DT have ever had, both present their own moments of epicness (the solo to TITL, the BAI solo, every damn fill in LNF, the list goes on). It's just got so many amazing contributions from each member, and that's what I think makes it so awesometacular. This isn't the 'MP, JP and friends' that wrote BCSL - this is Dream Theater.
perfect way to conclude it! completely agree with this.
JLB has never sounded as good as this album, seriously. Incredible vocals.
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OK, song rankings:
Bridges in the sky (without the throat singing) / Breaking all Illusions
On the Back of Angels (I thought this one was horrible but it doesn't sound that bad now)
This is the Life
Beneath the Surface
Far From Heaven
Lolcry
Lost Not Forgotten/Build me up, break me down
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*peeks in* .... is this allowed?
Anyone else feel UAGM when listening to Far from Heaven solo?
is that the only one you've heard so far?
listen to the whole thing again...they go right back to the beginning for some of them-nuggetz.
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Loking this album a lot. I think this is the perfect blend of modern DT sound with the more experimental, proggy side of DT. It reminds me in a lot of ways of SDOIT. Can't say it's up there with the classics, but it's way better than the last three or four efforts and is better than I expected. Still a few cringeworthy lyrics, but I guess we just have to expect that these days.
My two biggest criticisms of the album are:
1) The goofy "shaman" singing about quadruples the cheesiness of that song. I can look past the lyrics because it's basically just a fun song, but that throat singing or whatever just pushes it over the top.
2) The keyboard solo in Beneath the Surface. We go from being all acoustic guitars and vocals to this keyboard solo out of nowhere. Just too abrupt of a change for me.
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3. Talking about ruining potentially good songs, Lost not Forgotten 1:54-2:34 is one of the most atrocious pieces of crap they have ever composed. I don't know who was the genius who put it right when you start thinking that the song would be great.
I suspect that part is gonna be love or hate for a lot of people. I don't mind it, but I can see how some will hate it.
7. Most people won't agree with me but the album is seriously lacking 2 or 3 ubber awesome Petrucci solos.
I actually agree with this. The jazzy breakdown solo in Breaking All Illusions is killer, but that is just as much about how sweet it is that the band is laying a jazzy thing in the background as it is about the actual quality of JP's solo (which is really, really good, but not "uber awesome," to borrow your term).
But it's still early. :P
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This is the most melody heavy DT album since SFAM, imo. Really baffled that people think there aren't melodies.
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Oh and I forgot to add: holy shit @ the keyboards on this album.
Only semi-cringeworthy part is the burping. That's a lot better than on their previous albums (no 'day after day', bebot solo, dude with deep voice, or pipe-sucking, forevermore)
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Well, let me just say it sucks having extremely poor bandwidth at work. :aargh:
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This is the most melody heavy DT album since SFAM, imo. Really baffled that people think there aren't melodies.
I found none of the melodies distinctive on the first few listens either. It took longer to grow on me, so I can understand people saying that even though I really disagree with it after getting to know the album better.
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I absolutely love this album. It gives me back everything I have been craving over the past 8 years and I truly haven't been blown away like this since SFOAM. Behind Images and Words, this is my favorite DT album.
Now I can't wait for the concert.
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I really don't mind the Shaman's, uhm, groan at all. I mean, I laughed about it when I heard it, but there are worse things in DT's catalog imo.
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*peeks in* .... is this allowed?
Anyone else feel UAGM when listening to Far from Heaven solo?
is that the only one you've heard so far?
listen to the whole thing again...they go right back to the beginning for some of them-nuggetz.
I'm missing things? Waaaaaaaahhhhh
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My rankings and and what stood out for me.
Breaking All Illusions - This song is just perfect. Awesome intro, vocals is beautiful all the way trough, and the guitar solo is the definition of epic. MM has done a great job on this aswell. This song really doesn't have any part that you feel is out of place.
Outcry - The almost Linkin Park'ish intro is a really cool introduction to when the song kicks off, and when it kicks off, it's just pure epicness. The chorus is IMO the best on the album, so ENERGY, so POWAH! WAAH! The instrumental section has got a lot of good parts, put can be a bit much, but time will show if it actually is(that section might grow on me).
Bridges in The Sky - I felt the intro was kinda creepy, but it's pretty cool. Not too fond of the main riff in this song, also think it's a bit loud. Nontheless the vocals on this is incredible, the chorus is catchy and the drums on this one is imo the best on the album. The instrumental section is so typical DT, that I feel I've heard it before.
Beneath The Surface Perfect ending on the album, best ballad since Disappear. Love the lyrics, even though I don't know the meaning, I feel I can relate to it. It just makes me want to cry all the way through, and the ending is so powerful, yet so calm(if that makes sense)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down In VG's(Norways biggest newspaper) review they wrote this was the highlight of the album. I do not agree at all! This song sound like a song of JLB's EoP, and the chorus sounds a bit cheesy(I love cheese). What I enjoy most is the transition from the electronic drum beat to MM's drums and the guitar solo.
This is the life The guitar solo is really beautiful, but for some reason I don't love the chorus. The drums on this is also a bit bland.
Lost Not Forgotten Love the intro, beautiful piano, and when the guitar kicks in I get some kind of UAGM vibe. The vocals is awesome until the chorus wich ruins it for me.
Far From Heaven This song is beautiful, but really forgettable. Every time I think of it, I forget how it sounds like. Too little POWAH, perhaps? It feels like a better version of Vacant.
Not going to rank or comment OTBOA
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Here's some extra thoughts:
- The first riff right after Bridges in the Sky's intro. It kinda felt like Machine Head, to be honest. I like it.
- Is it me, or can I find several song referrences in Breaking All Illusions' lyrics?
- The breakdowns right after the first chorus, AMAZING, just AMAZING. And then there's that funky beat that gets me to wobble my head every single time.
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Rating: 6.5/10. Position: my 9th favorite DT album above FII and Awake.
1. It has two great songs: Bridges in the Sky and Breaking all illusions. Those could make my top 25. BITS's intro is cringeworthy but it is gone now thanks to Audacity.
Damn. I would never do this no matter how bad an intro (and I like the intro).
/edit, my post was probably a bit too bellicose before.
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Why does everyone hate the shaman's voice? I personally love it... its perfect for the song IMO.
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I have now listened to the first five songs off the album a bunch. I am really liking everything; although, there's definitely nothing "daring" about it.*
* Sorry Rumby!
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Why does everyone hate the shaman's voice? I personally love it... its perfect for the song IMO.
Because it's cheeseball city. That's why.
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Why does everyone hate the shaman's voice? I personally love it... its perfect for the song IMO.
I think it's perfect too. Put together with the choir chants, it makes for the perfect calm before the storm of that main riff.
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There we go... I went and got the lyrics for BAI, but some might be wrong. And I also do the comparison I spoke some posts ago (I should probably format this, but w/e).
With the sun in place -> The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
There's a test of faith
Streams of thought awaken -> Stream of Consciousness
New realities -> Paradigm Shift from LTE (judging from the title >_>)
Singularities
Breaking all illusions -> Self-reference? >_>
Sudden burst of heat
Burning source of life
Masterful destruction -> I get nothing for these lines...
Power's not an act -> Outcry
It's understanding truth
Changing my direction
Live in the moment -> A Change of Seasons
Breathe in a new beginning -> About to Crash (Reprise)
Wisdom revealed
As I unlearn to learn -> Learning to Live (?)
Life's biggest battles
Often are fought alone -> A Change of Seasons again?
My spirit brings me home -> Home / The Spirit Carries On / Scenes from a Memory as an whole?
Emerald (? I have no idea what's this word) thoughts flow through my consciousness -> Stream of Consciousness again
Drawn to curses left behind -> The Dark Eternal Night
Test of will, the threshold to one's faith -> 12-step AA suite (?)
Starts a fire in the mind
Searching out
Reaching in
To arrive where I began -> Octavarium, duh
Sights remembered
In the light
Searching out
Reaching in
To arrive where I began -> Octavarium, duh
Sounds remembered
Come alive
Embrace the day -> hey there A Change of Seasons
Don't turn away
Life's true intent needs patience
Karma starts the signal -> Gonna be honest, this last line seems like a start-off point for a sequel...
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Why does everyone hate the shaman's voice? I personally love it... its perfect for the song IMO.
I think it sounds ridiculous (childish, extremelly silly, etc.) and out of place, it doesn't add anything to the song. Actually, it is perfect without it. If you chop that part and start the song at :45 it sounds amazing.
And because it reminds me of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-RsB4a4ogc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-RsB4a4ogc)
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Why does everyone hate the shaman's voice? I personally love it... its perfect for the song IMO.
I think it's perfect too. Put together with the choir chants, it makes for the perfect calm before the storm of that main riff.
I like it as well....of course I have several albums of these throat chants, so that may color my opinion.
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There we go... I went and got the lyrics for BAI, but some might be wrong. And I also do the comparison I spoke some posts ago (I should probably format this, but w/e).
With the sun in place -> The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
There's a test of faith -> Blind Faith
Streams of thought awaken -> Stream of Consciousness
New realities -> Paradigm Shift from LTE (judging from the title >_>)
Singularities -> You not me
Breaking all illusions -> Self-reference? >_>
Sudden burst of heat ->Miami Heat/Lebron James
Burning source of life -> Forsaken or Burning mah soul
Masterful destruction -> I get nothing for these lines... Obviously ITPOE
Power's not an act -> Outcry
It's understanding truth -> Too many to mention, mainly POW
Changing my direction
Live in the moment -> A Change of Seasons
Breathe in a new beginning -> About to Crash (Reprise)
Wisdom revealed -> The AA saga
As I unlearn to learn -> Learning to Live (?)
Life's biggest battles -> AA saga
Often are fought alone -> A Change of Seasons again?
My spirit brings me home -> Home / The Spirit Carries On / Scenes from a Memory as an whole?
Emerald (? I have no idea what's this word) thoughts flow through my consciousness -> Stream of Consciousness again
Drawn to curses left behind -> The Dark Eternal Night
Test of will, the threshold to one's faith -> 12-step AA suite (?)
Starts a fire in the mind
Searching out
Reaching in
To arrive where I began -> Octavarium, duh
Sights remembered
In the light
Searching out
Reaching in
To arrive where I began -> Octavarium, duh
Sounds remembered
Come alive
Embrace the day -> hey there A Change of Seasons
Don't turn away -> The Ministry of Lost Souls
Life's true intent needs patience -> GNR's
Karma starts the signal -> Gonna be honest, this last line seems like a start-off point for a sequel...
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look what i got in the mail today!
(https://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/tgstk2/IMG1189.jpg)
(https://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/tgstk2/IMG1191.jpg)
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i'll give my review later on...
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I was hoping for a trumphiant return, but after hearing this album a couple of times, Systematic Chaos doesn't seem that bad, and BC&SL comes forward as the ultimate swansong for DT with MP. I'm so glad that last record was a strong one.
How any of you guys can even compare this in quality to SDOIT is beyond me, but I'm really happy everyone feels that way. Maybe DT is not for me anymore.
I just think that
1) It was mixed by Andy Wallace. He's a mixing legend. Then why the hell doesn't it sound better than BC&SL? The mix is one of the worst I've heard on a DT album. JMX is mixed ridiculously loud at times (so that fans think: yeah, there he is again! See it, now that MP is gone we can hear JMX!) but at other times you really can't hear him. It's a gimmick, and everyone's buying it.
And what the hell, in ANTR the bass is mixed perfectly. When the drums, bass and guitar enter in that track, it moves more earth than ANYTHING on this record. They should've make sure the drums sound awesome, even with a new member. Now it all sounds like a drum computer. Bleh.
2) Is it really the mix? Or is it because of the master? When you skip through this record, any random mouse click, it all sounds the same. Terrible sounding cymbals too. It sounds unnatural, and grating to the ears. Give yourself a reality check and play any other DT record (okay except SC maybe) and then this. This sounds flat, and aggressive in a frequency range that I can't imagine will sound good to anyone's ears.
3) I'm a big DT fan. I'm supposed to like this album, what happened? I've liked every album they've put out, except this one. This is the first time for me that a new DT release doesn't do a thing for me, at all. Everytime I try to listen to it I think: there's THAT contrived chorus again, yaay another Rudess/Petrucci snoozefest.
The only conclusion I can draw is that (at least for me) the spirit of the band is gone with MP. Believe me, I didn't have a problem with Mangini, I was 100% open minded and I really liked OTBOA.
But this.. this, I thought I'd never say it. It's kitsch. I don't buy it. And I'm sure as hell not buying it.
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I was hoping for a trumphiant return, but after hearing this album a couple of times, Systematic Chaos doesn't seem that bad, and BC&SL even better than I already thought it was.
How any of you guys can even compare this in quality to SDOIT is beyond me, but I'm really happy everyone feels that way.
I just think that
1) It was mixed by Andy Wallace. He's a mixing legend. Then why the hell doesn't it sound better than BC&SL? The mix is one of the worst I've heard on a DT album. JMX is mixed ridiculously loud at times (so that fans think: yeah, there he is again! See it, now that MP is gone we can hear JMX!) but at other times you really can't hear him. And what the hell, in ANTR the bass is mixed perfectly. When the drums, bass and guitar enter in that track, it moves more earth than ANYTHING on this record. They should've make sure the drums sound awesome, even with a new member. Now it all sounds like a drum computer. Bleh.
2) Is it really the mix? Or is it because of the master? When you skip through this record, any random mouse click, it all sounds the same. Terrible sounding cymbals too. It sounds unnatural, and grating to the ears.
3) I'm a big DT fan. I'm supposed to like this album, what happened? I've liked every album they've put out, except this one. This is the first time for me that a new DT release doesn't do a thing for me, at all.
The only conclusion I can draw is that (at least for me) the spirit of the band is gone with MP. Believe me, I didn't have a problem with Mangini, I was 100% open minded and I really liked OTBOA.
But this.. this, I thought I'd never say it. It's kitsch. I don't buy it. And I'm sure as hell not buying it.
I could not disagree more. The mix is the best they've had since probably FII. Mangini's drums sound great. And JMX isn't really that loud.
And no offense, but you're coming across as ' "MP not on album, then I'm not buying it" *pout* '
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PixelDream, don't you think you should wait and see what the actual CD sounds like, as opposed to a stream or even mp3s, before trashing the mix? I also have concerns about the sound, but I am very hopeful that the CD will sound great.
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3) I'm a big DT fan. I'm supposed to like this album, what happened? I've liked every album they've put out, except this one. This is the first time for me that a new DT release doesn't do a thing for me, at all.
The only conclusion I can draw is that (at least for me) the spirit of the band is gone with MP.
I think you answered your own question
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There we go... I went and got the lyrics for BAI, but some might be wrong. And I also do the comparison I spoke some posts ago (I should probably format this, but w/e).
With the sun in place -> The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
There's a test of faith -> Blind Faith
Streams of thought awaken -> Stream of Consciousness
New realities -> Paradigm Shift from LTE (judging from the title >_>)
Singularities -> You not me
Breaking all illusions -> Self-reference? >_>
Sudden burst of heat ->Miami Heat/Lebron James
Burning source of life -> Forsaken or Burning mah soul
Masterful destruction -> I get nothing for these lines... Obviously ITPOE
Power's not an act -> Outcry
It's understanding truth -> Too many to mention, mainly POW
Changing my direction
Live in the moment -> A Change of Seasons
Breathe in a new beginning -> About to Crash (Reprise)
Wisdom revealed -> The AA saga
As I unlearn to learn -> Learning to Live (?)
Life's biggest battles -> AA saga
Often are fought alone -> A Change of Seasons again?
My spirit brings me home -> Home / The Spirit Carries On / Scenes from a Memory as an whole?
Emerald (? I have no idea what's this word) thoughts flow through my consciousness -> Stream of Consciousness again
Drawn to curses left behind -> The Dark Eternal Night
Test of will, the threshold to one's faith -> 12-step AA suite (?)
Starts a fire in the mind
Searching out
Reaching in
To arrive where I began -> Octavarium, duh
Sights remembered
In the light
Searching out
Reaching in
To arrive where I began -> Octavarium, duh
Sounds remembered
Come alive
Embrace the day -> hey there A Change of Seasons
Don't turn away -> The Ministry of Lost Souls
Life's true intent needs patience -> GNR's
Karma starts the signal -> Gonna be honest, this last line seems like a start-off point for a sequel...
You guys are overanalysing this MAJOR.
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:heart And at last the time has come
:heart To unite again as one
:heart To the power of the Earth
:heart I'm calling
:heart Crossing bridges in the sky
:heart On a journey to renew my life
:heart Shaman take my hand
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PixelDream, don't you think you should wait and see what the actual CD sounds like, as opposed to a stream or even mp3s, before trashing the mix? I also have concerns about the sound, but I am very hopeful that the CD will sound great.
Yeah, the original stream of OTBOA sounded pretty bad, but the official MP3 from Amazon wound up being pretty good. So no complaints here! I'm sure the legit version will sound fine.
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Is the stream loading extremely slow for anyone else? If I wait a minute I get like three seconds of music.
This, unfortunately.
Initial page took five minutes to load. And then once it did, BMU,BMD took two minutes to load. And then once it did, it played for about ten seconds and then started loading some more.
Guess I have to wait a while longer before I'll be able to hear this properly.
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You guys are overanalysing this MAJOR.
Stop spoiling others' fun ok ;_;
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one thing...fuck streams.
just listen to it when you have the actual CD....
ok i admit i start listening to the CD this Monday when i saw it on a news server... i just couldn't wait no more....
so i have given it about 30 spints throughout the week and tonight will be the first time i can listen to it with the booklet.
one think about the booklet.
in the first page everobyd is thanked...and than it says ...EVERTYING ELSE: and than a name... which looks strange in a good/funny way
ok the pics you have on youtube are the pics which are also in the booklet.
now the songs.
- OTBOA great song still, but i am more listening to the other songs.
- yes even like the intro with the electronic drums , its a great build up for the riff BMUBMD is just fucking awesome.. i love the metalish vibe through it. the scream together with the keyboard is brilliiant i love it very very much
- LNF is awesome too, i love the instrumental part which i had to listen to a dozen times to "get it" i love the chorus, it's really awesome
- TITL is great too, very well played.very emotional
=BITS...ok the intro ..yak... i dont understand why they even thought about adding it and approving it. it's only 30 seconds but the worst of them all..
nonetheless great number too.
-outcry awesome!!
-BAI AWESOME, most beautufl vocal lines on the album..... where hs sings.... LALA HOME....
- BTS great too...
-FFH aeseom too
i dont liek some vocal parts... where i found strange melodies, but it is just a time issue to get it and get into it. i love the instrumental stuff, really sick and awesome. not your straight forward stuff here. just brilliant. not being a fanboy at all, but i just love it, it's over the top, it's no holds barred, and it's doing something new within the concept. i love it than indeed JR doesn't just double JP but adds he's one lines to riffs. it's verry progryy and some riffs are very easy going/straight forward but that's just great and gives a great contrats to all the crazy stuff going on in the album....
this is WAUY WAY WAY WAY betteer than 6doit disc 2 + 8V combined. it's in the same league as SFAM for me....
the are indeed BACK!
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I could not disagree more. The mix is the best they've had since probably FII. Mangini's drums sound great. And JMX isn't really that loud.
And no offense, but you're coming across as ' "MP not on album, then I'm not buying it" *pout* '
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Oh sorry, that was not my intention. And the best mix since FII? Haha. Did you honestly compare them already? The difference in sound quality and punch is ridiculous. FII has punch and clarity, but ADTOE sounds totally smashed like all modern metal albums. It's not even funny.
And seriously, I'm not an MP fanboy or anything. I didn't check out his new band, didn't listen to A7X, etc. I thought he was great in DT, and as many of you I didn't like some of his musical decisions as of late.
But it really seems that this group of people had a big chemistry until the very end, because this album doesn't come close to any of the other DT albums (so far.. it's fresh I know).
Maybe I should put it this way: Usually when a DT record comes out, I disappear. I'm avoiding all my other things just to listen to the new record. This record doesn't give me a DT feeling at all, it sounds forced. Believe me, I want to like it. But I'm mourning right now.
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if this album doesn't feel like "home" when it comes to DT than i dont know if you ever really listened to DT.
this is a great welcome back home DT! album....it's just in your face from beginning to end...the chemistry is just WOW!
and MM's drumming is well indeed based on tracks JP made..but listen to some fill's he does or listen to the hit hat stuff he does...your gonna be mindblowed, some fills are identical to the tones of the guitar...that's just sick!
the only thing that came across as mwehh on this album is that the tempo of the heavier songs are almost the same...
there's no real...big uptempo.trashy part... you know its around 120/150 bpm..nothing 200 and up.... ahh well there's just so much to enjoy in this album.....
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No love for Build Me Up, Break Me Down in this thread? It's cool musically and the lyrics are surprisingly good.
Also, I'll be the one to say that Beneath the Surface was unexpectedly sad and emotionally raw. If JP wrote that based on a personal experience, than good god. He should be applauded for putting that out there.
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Not yet ready to post my complete thoughts on the album. But one thing stands out for me. What a cool JP solo on LNF!! Sounds nice, refreshing.
And yes. Mangini is a BEAST.
Master Mangini :metal
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I love the mix. And, without trying to sounding arrogant, I think I have a good idea of what makes a good mix since I have a degree in sound and music technology, and working on a second one. This is the way I've always wanted the drums to sound like, not constantly in your face and with a bit of audible reverb on the snare. The bass is perfect and punchy. It could be mastered less aggressively, but what do you expect these days, this is the new standard and it's not going away. We are pretty much ordered to master this way if we work on a piece of music in the industry, because unfortunately if we don't it sounds like crap when you listen to it head to head with other current albums.
I don't think it's a 'step back' to classic DT ilke I&W, but rather a further step on the SC/BCSL direction, only better now and 'actually good' without Mike Portnoy's frankly bothersome influence. I approached the last couple albums with a "let's see what silly things Dream Theater did this time" mentality. This time it feels like a "serious" release, at least for me. There were no songs where I laughed out loud while sync-listening with my friends (unlike both SC and BCSL where there were moments where we collectively said "hahahahh wtf, DT is over, alright let's go listen to Opeth".
Overall I'll give it a 8/10. It's not QUITE as good as I wished it would be, but it's at least on par with ToT, just not quite up to SDOIT/SFAM levels for me. Those albums are timeless, and they sound like they came from a completely different band with a more mature mindset. But it's definitely a step up from SC and a hell of a step up from BCSL. I genuinely love listening to it. :metal
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No love for Build Me Up, Break Me Down in this thread? It's cool musically and the lyrics are surprisingly good.
I actually like it. Nice tune for a single. Catchy but not cheesy. Can not avoid it, chorus sticks in my head.
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just a reminder..... none of the DT albums where instant classics or marked timeless the first day they came out...that just happens over time.
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Well I was just kidding, but it would be cool to find a reference to the recent Miami Heat disappointment in a DT album.
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I swear JP's been watching my life for the past 4 or so months, since I can relate perfectly to the lyrics for Beneath the Surface.
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No love for Build Me Up, Break Me Down in this thread? It's cool musically and the lyrics are surprisingly good.
I was kind of "meh" on it at first, but after listening to it for several days straight while doing some work, it's grown on me greatly. You know what I really love? That snare pattern during the chorus that plays into the next bar, then comes back in on the 2nd note. It just really adds some power to it.
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just a reminder..... none of the DT albums where instant classics or marked timeless the first day they came out...that just happens over time.
this, but i disagree on SFAM. And i am starting to feel this one is not going to take that long. And BAI is instant classic!
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Okay I'm going to do my best to appreciate the mix. Whatever man, I know so many people with music degrees. I myself don't have one, but I'm always paying attention to the mix and I've been working a lot with people who have music technology degrees like you. And still some of them completely hit the mark when it comes to recognizing a good mix. Not to diss you or anything, I'm glad you like the mix.
I think Porcupine Tree's stuff, Opeth's stuff, those are 'heavy' bands with lots of well mixed albums. Audioslave's debut album. RATM's debut album, Nirvana's Nevermind, Jeff Buckley's Grace, stuff that Andy Wallace mixed: I love those albums and how they sound. I can't comprehend why the new DT suddenly sounds this way.
A bigger problem is the music itself, the longer tracks seem so.. busy. Like, way too busy and uncontrolled. Never got that feeling from DT before. And the best song IMO (Breaking All Illusions) IS pretty good, but the verses are too blatantly copied from LtL. It's not the same, but you can tell they did it to recall LtL and to make people go: wow, this is classic DT. For me though, it doesn't work at all. At least not yet.
Leaving this thread now to clear my head and maybe give the album some more spins later this evening. I'm really happy everyone welcomes the record as the trumphiant return it's supposed to be though.
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I swear JP's been watching my life for the past 4 or so months, since I can relate perfectly to the lyrics for Beneath the Surface.
Make that two of us.
(to be honest, the lyrics somewhat feel like some teenage drama between two friends)
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After two listens:
OTBOA - 8.25/10
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - 6.5/10
Lost Not Forgotten - 7.25/10
This Is the Life - 7.5/10
Bridges in the Sky - 9/10
Outcry - 10/10
Far From Heaven - 7.75/10
Breaking All Illusions - 10/10
Beneath The Surface - 9/10
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This is what I've been waiting to hear from DT for a long time. :metal I know some have commented that it doesn't sound that new or fresh, but it sounds like DT, and I would rather have a nod to something sounding familiar than one of their songs sounding like some other band.
I'm a huge MP fan, one of my biggest influences, but you don't even really notice he's not on the record. It just sounds like DT. A lot of people are commenting on how the drums don't really stand out, but back in the day they really didn't. Images and Words they just blended in, until you really broke them down and tried to learn them did you realize what's going on. A lot of these songs are in odd time so they appear to be bland but there is A LOT going on. I think Mangini totally nails it on this album.
For me the biggest stand out so far are the keys. BIG F'ING STRINGS! :metal To me that's the classic DT sound, heavy, progressive, and big huge keys. LOVE JR's sounds on this record. James sounds killer. The last few DT records there really hasn't been anything that's made me want to sing a long. I've already got some of these melodies in my head.
Still trying to digest all of this but here's where I would place things on a few listens.
Lost Not Forgotten (Love, love, love this song, total SFAM vibe, verse melody rules, love James' tone here, chorus is awesome, love the end chorus without the turn arounds)
Bridges in The Sky ( what a chorus, I bet this will be the show opener)
Breaking All Illusions
Outcry ( this needs more time but I love the weight of it, it's HUGE)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (to me this a modern day Caught in a Web, love the keys, it's hooky and better than any recent straight forward DT track)
On The Backs of Angels
This is the life
Far From Heaven
Beneath the Surface (only listened once so far, but cool)
So far, I haven't been this blown away by a DT release on the initial listen since SFAM. Very psyched!
Chris
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To those who have the actual CD: how does Mangini sound? I think the drums suffer more than other instruments, and their bad quality is my only complain to the sound right now.
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Oh sorry, that was not my intention. And the best mix since FII? Haha. Did you honestly compare them already? The difference in sound quality and punch is ridiculous. FII has punch and clarity, but ADTOE sounds totally smashed like all modern metal albums. It's not even funny.
And seriously, I'm not an MP fanboy or anything. I didn't check out his new band, didn't listen to A7X, etc. I thought he was great in DT, and as many of you I didn't like some of his musical decisions as of late.
But it really seems that this group of people had a big chemistry until the very end, because this album doesn't come close to any of the other DT albums (so far.. it's fresh I know).
Maybe I should put it this way: Usually when a DT record comes out, I disappear. I'm avoiding all my other things just to listen to the new record. This record doesn't give me a DT feeling at all, it sounds forced. Believe me, I want to like it. But I'm mourning right now.
You're listening to a stream of the album and you're pissed about the mix and sound already? I suggest you wait until you get your CD in the mail before you will be able to criticize it properly.
And if it doesn't give you a DT feel, then I suggest you listen to I&W, SFAM, etc. because this sounds like DT. There's no way anyone can bullshit around and say this new album doesn't sound like DT at all.
I can't comprehend why the new DT suddenly sounds this way.
Hello album stream?
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LNF is crippled by its lyrics. They're not BC&SL bad, but they're not far off.
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PixelDream, don't you think you should wait and see what the actual CD sounds like, as opposed to a stream or even mp3s, before trashing the mix? I also have concerns about the sound, but I am very hopeful that the CD will sound great.
Fair enough, I'll stop doing that until I hear the actual CD. Though, the mix is the mix. It doesn't change that much when it's compressed. I recognize the 'mp3' sound, I know what it does, there's quality loss but it doesn't change the mix itself. But we'll see, maybe the stream is brickwalled for some magic reason. Maybe OTBOA on youtube is 'enhanced' by someone from Roadrunner. But I just can't see it happening.
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To those who have the actual CD: how does Mangini sound? I think the drums suffer more than other instruments, and their bad quality is my only complain to the sound right now.
Personally I think he sounds great. I don't even think the drums are too low in the mix anymore, youtube sure did its thing with OTBOA. Very comfortable sound IMO. MUCH better sound than BC&SL, where the kick and snare sounded like the same overcompressed drum.
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Im a little surprised at the lukewarm response here.
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PixelDream, don't you think you should wait and see what the actual CD sounds like, as opposed to a stream or even mp3s, before trashing the mix? I also have concerns about the sound, but I am very hopeful that the CD will sound great.
Fair enough, I'll stop doing that until I hear the actual CD. Though, the mix is the mix. It doesn't change that much when it's compressed. I recognize the 'mp3' sound, I know what it does, there's quality loss but it doesn't change the mix itself. But we'll see, maybe the stream is brickwalled for some magic reason. Maybe OTBOA on youtube is 'enhanced' by someone from Roadrunner. But I just can't see it happening.
I would be inclined to believe you only if OTBOA didn't improve between its stream and then official release format. The improvement between those two was very good. Another reason to infer that the album will do the same.
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I like it :metal
Bridges in the sky and Breaking all illusions are my favorites right now,
followed by On the backs of angels and Outcry.
Actually, every song has something really cool in it,
and ballads are great too, especially This is the life (JLB sounds awesome).
Instrumental section in Outcry is the best one since SFAM, that part is just insane :lol :rollin
Overall, an amazing album that just wants to be listened over and over again.
:hefdaddy :heart
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Three songs in and I am flipping loving this :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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To those who have the actual CD: how does Mangini sound? I think the drums suffer more than other instruments, and their bad quality is my only complain to the sound right now.
Better than on the stream (obviously because the CD isn't compressed to fuck) but quieter and less in your face that Portnoy was in the mix. I guess the tradeoff is that you can hear JMX more and that's come out of the drums as the frequencies are around the same sort of area.
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To those who have the actual CD: how does Mangini sound? I think the drums suffer more than other instruments, and their bad quality is my only complain to the sound right now.
Better than on the stream (obviously because the CD isn't compressed to fuck) but quieter and less in your face that Portnoy was in the mix. I guess the tradeoff is that you can hear JMX more and that's come out of the drums as the frequencies are around the same sort of area.
Agree, a lot more balance on this mix. Seems Mangini was not like: Is it ok so? Louder. And now? LOUDER. Aaaaand noooooow? MUCH LOUDER!!!! (at this point you only hear drums). LOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUDER
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Just listened to Outcry again (3rd or 4th time). Still awesome, instrumental really didn't appeal that much on first listen but ever since listening again I like it. Maybe my reaction at first was how everyone else felt about the instrumentals in the other DT albums - I don't know since I wasn't a fan for any new releases. I still think it could use another chorus though - before the instrumental, either before or after the "streets are paved with blood" section. If it had that, or just generally a bit higher of a main theme to crazy instrumental ratio, it could be my favourite on the album.
Edit: Looking up people's interpretation of the lyrics of Outcry (so I could reference the section correctly) I'm sure I saw two different places saying "Resistance is going tonight"... anyone with official booklet already know if that's really the lyric? :| I thought it was quite obviously "Resistance is calling tonight".
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I think the album is terrific. "Bridges in the Sky" is absolutely addicting and instantly one of my favorite songs of all-time. The chorus actually gave me a tear the first time I heard it. It's so freaking beautiful and powerful. "Breaking All Illusions" isn't far behind either. Those two songs are on a level all their own, if you ask me. Mangini fits in perfectly and kicks serious ass in some parts. James sounds better than ever.
Also, great job on the lyrics by Petrucci. He really channeled his feelings about the MP turn of events into some well-crafted. thought-provoking lyrics. Not to criticze MP, but his lyrics were sometimes too direct and you could figure out the object of his criticism (ie. Never Enough). But in this album, Petrucci molds his words in such a way that they can be broadly interpreted and applied to many situations. Well done!
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This is the most melody heavy DT album since SFAM, imo. Really baffled that people think there aren't melodies.
Melodically, compared to previous albums, this is an incredibly strong effort.
No love for Build Me Up, Break Me Down in this thread? It's cool musically and the lyrics are surprisingly good.
As a single, yes it's not too bad at all. One of the weaker songs on the album but honestly it can't go lower than a 7.5/10 for me.
LNF is crippled by its lyrics. They're not BC&SL bad, but they're not far off.
what?! :tdwn perhaps not the best written by DT, but they're certainly on a very interesting and current political subject.
This album gets better and better with every listen! :tup
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I'm actually really disappointed with Breaking All Illusions lyrics, and while there are some good parts, it feels so much like LTL that it's distracting.
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Wow, people are really going deep with their analysis and criticism...
As a principle, I always approach new albums from bands I like without so much baggage. Right now I could not tell you where I would place ADToE on a DT Ranking, or even Rank the songs in the album properly. I'm not listening to the song comparatively, I'm just listening to them.
This is my track-breakdown based on my first listen of the new album.
1- On the Backs of Angels remains a great song. 9/10
2- Build Me Up, Break Me Down is, in my opinion, the kind of song I was expecting from AM. Really cool song, great chorus. That being said, I will probably listen to it a lot less than most other songs on the album (the energy of the song needs me in the right mood to really appreciate it). 8/10
3- Lost Not Forgotten - Though the first couple of minutes are brilliant, I felt the rest of the song was not really that good. The part more or less in the middle of the song (where the snippet ended) is also amazing, but I just haven't gotten into this song yet. Maybe with a few more listens... 7/10
4- This Is The Life - Wow, this totally blew me away. I had some relatively low expectations for this song, but it's completely amazing! I love the way the chorus sounds different every time it comes around and the intro is brilliant! Very, very good song! 9/10 (maybe 9.5/10)
5- Bridges in the Sky - Another song that really got me, because I wasn't expecting it to be so good. The chorus (and its extended version) are incredible. 8.5/10, at least.
6- Outcry - This one was exactly as I expected! Though I can agree with people saying it had too little vocal activity, I absolutely loved the instrumental section. Still, too much going on for me to be sure how much I like it. 8.5/10, at least.
7- Far From Heaven - Seems I'm one of the few who thinks this, but this is one of the most beautiful songs I have heard in a very long time. The piano composition is beautiful and LaBrie sings with such emotion that it is hard not to feel this song. It's no epic, it's a short, simply beautiful song. 10/10
8- Breaking All Illusions - Like Outcry, I feel there could be a little more singing on this song, though I would rather have it extended with vocals than having them simply put on the song as it is. Regardless of that, one of the more positive sounding DT tracks and absolutely brilliant. As I listened to it, I saw myself often smiling like a fool. My favourite moments of the whole album are probably on this song. 10/10
9- Beneath the Surface - This is one of the few songs that did not surprise me (positively or negatively). Simple, moving, beautiful. Love the solos closer to the end. Only problem for me is I don't really get the lyrics... What is going on in that song? The basic premise I got (I think), but the chorus really confuses me. Still 9.5/10
All in all, the album is quite varied and the "ballads" are definitely winners, maybe some of the best DT has ever done.
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WOW, Bridges in the Sky is fucking amazing.
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Alright, alright. I'm sorry, but this record so far just doesn't give me the DT feeling at all. And since this is with a new line up, that's in fact not weird at all. Ofcourse something has changed. I thought it would be for the better but as it turns out, I can't get any enjoyment out of this at all.
Sorry I keep returning, I'm going to leave y'all (now really..) and come back if I'm getting warmed up for this record.
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Holy lol at the intro to Bridges in the Sky. Is that a Shaman's "LOL" I'm hearing?
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9- Beneath the Surface - This is one of the few songs that did not surprise me (positively or negatively). Simple, moving, beautiful. Love the solos closer to the end. Only problem for me is I don't really get the lyrics... What is going on in that song? The basic premise I got (I think), but the chorus really confuses me. Still 9.5/10
It's about a lack of communication of thoughts and feelings between two people and the rift that separates them as a result, all the while those feelings quietly wait in the background.
At least that's what I got out of it.
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9- Beneath the Surface - This is one of the few songs that did not surprise me (positively or negatively). Simple, moving, beautiful. Love the solos closer to the end. Only problem for me is I don't really get the lyrics... What is going on in that song? The basic premise I got (I think), but the chorus really confuses me. Still 9.5/10
It's about a lack of communication of thoughts and feelings between two people and the rift that separates them as a result, all the while those feelings quietly wait in the background.
At least that's what I got out of it.
And they are almost certainly the best lyrics JP has penned in about 10 years.
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after maybe 5-6 listens, my favourite song is Bridges in the sky.
Does anyone think this album is a kind of mix of Images and Words(for the vocal) and systematic chaos(for the instrumental part) ???
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Shaaaah
Maaaaahn
Take
Maaaaah
Haaaaaaaaand!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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*BUUUUURP*
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Holy lol at the intro to Bridges in the Sky. Is that a Shaman's "LOL" I'm hearing?
(https://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8607/p1020886s.jpg)
Someone eventually had too. :biggrin:
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Any thoughts on JP sound? The MkV sounds AWESOME!!!
I thought my MkIIc would be my last amp, but i am starting to feel weak!
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The beginning of the BAI instrumental section really sounds like heavy Yes on speed to me. Awesome. :biggrin:
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Any thoughts on JP sound? The MkV sounds AWESOME!!!
I thought my MkIIc would be my last amp, but i am starting to feel weak!
This is the best guitar tone he's had for a couple albums now, I think. Probably since his switched to the Music Man.
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I just noticed I had received an e-mail with a link to download the album (because I purchased the box set), and all my concerns regarding the stream not working for me went away. Then I noticed that the website I'm supposed to download it from isn't working either, probably due to heavy traffic. :facepalm:
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Any thoughts on JP sound? The MkV sounds AWESOME!!!
I thought my MkIIc would be my last amp, but i am starting to feel weak!
This is the best guitar tone he's had for a couple albums now, I think. Probably since his switched to the Music Man.
I could not agree more. Lead's great but the rhythm hits you like a wall :metal
Love the clean sound as well
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Loch ness awakens!
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Any thoughts on JP sound? The MkV sounds AWESOME!!!
I thought my MkIIc would be my last amp, but i am starting to feel weak!
This is the best guitar tone he's had for a couple albums now, I think. Probably since his switched to the Music Man.
I could not agree more. Lead's great but the rhythm hits you like a wall :metal
Love the clean sound as well
A lot of it is due to the more powerful bass, it makes the lead parts overall way beefier.
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after maybe 5-6 listens, my favourite song is Bridges in the sky.
Does anyone think this album is a kind of mix of Images and Words(for the vocal) and systematic chaos(for the instrumental part) ???
Personally only a small portion of the album reminds me of SC. To my ears the instrumental parts are closer to Scenes and Six Degrees. Particularly Scenes.
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YES RANKINGS
Lost Not Forgotten
Bridges in the Sky
This is the Life
Breaking All Illusions
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Beneath the Surface
Outcry
I haven't been able to listen yet... but I think I'll equate Outcry on a level with Scarred (On the Blob scale) :biggrin: :lol Which means it's :metal :metal for me Thanks Blob!! ;)
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YES RANKINGS
Lost Not Forgotten
Bridges in the Sky
This is the Life
Breaking All Illusions
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Beneath the Surface
Outcry
I haven't been able to listen yet... but I think I'll equate Outcry on a level with Scarred (On the Blob scale) :biggrin: :lol Which means it's :metal :metal for me Thanks Blob!! ;)
:lol No, it's not on the Scarred scale. I don't dislike anything about Outcry, I just don't find it particularly interesting overall compared to the rest.
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really surprised to the reaction of Bridges in the Sky. that was the song i had most hope for from the album, yet it hasn't quite delivered. Yet, anyway.
Mind you, Lost Not Forgotten I had the least hope for and it's INCREDIBLE and my favourite so you never know what could happen with a few more listens!
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Rankings:
Beneath the Surface
This is the Life
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges in the Sky
Far from Heaven
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotton
On the Backs of Angels
Build Me Up, Break me Down
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Any thoughts on JP sound? The MkV sounds AWESOME!!!
I thought my MkIIc would be my last amp, but i am starting to feel weak!
This is the best guitar tone he's had for a couple albums now, I think. Probably since his switched to the Music Man.
I could not agree more. Lead's great but the rhythm hits you like a wall :metal
Love the clean sound as well
A lot of it is due to the more powerful bass, it makes the lead parts overall way beefier.
Don't think so, on this one you can isolate the bass. No need to reinforce the guitar on this one. Gain monster!!!
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I don't dislike anything about Outcry, I just don't find it particularly interesting overall compared to the rest.
I agree. There's really nothing wrong with it, I just don't find anything that interesting about it. The chorus isn't really that strong either.
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It sounds like a modern day LtL. Especially the first verse :hefdaddy
Precisely what I thought. It's brilliant.
Can't say a bad thing about any song on the album. Beneath the Surface could possibly be the best ballad DT has ever done. Several of the lyrics give me chills just looking at them. After just a few listens, it already strikes me better than BCSL did. James sounds better than he has in a very long time. There are a few instrumental melodies and progressions that seem 'familiar', or like a case of (strange) deja vu. Just like how Home, Sacrificed Sons, and ITPOE pt 2 have a similar groove during their instrumental sections, I guess after 11 albums, it's hard not to pull from some old themes.
Overall, I feel like it's a more 'back-to-basics' sound for DT - I like the more "prog" feel to it than the "heavier" feel that they were going with a lot of SC and BCSL.
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Beneath ther Surface has a very similar vibe to the end of TCOT, in a sort of reflective, contemplative, after the deluge type vibe. Me likey.
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OH NO
The page is not responding
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Wow, Outcry is probably the best instrumental section since Intervals. :biggrin:
Edit: No, it's way better.
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I also thing that LNF is not receiving the love it deserves!!!
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I just love this album, seriously. It's amazing in every way. My favorites are easily Breaking All Illusions and Beneath the Surface but that's just because they're so freakin' good.
Beneath the Surface...I can't get enough of this song. The lyrics, the melodies, the instrumentation, the arrangement, but most of all JAMES LABRIE. Oh, good god. That song is just incredible.
And I'm saying this after quite a few listens of the album and over 30 listens of Beneath the Surface, as the album is officially out in Israel for a few days now.
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After hearing OTBOA and the snippets i was skeptic about the guitar sound (damn Youtube). But this is probably the best guitar sound i EVER heard. :hefdaddy Not even saying anything about the playing. Mouth's still open. :hefdaddy
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Is it weird that i love every song on this album? No seriously EVERY SONG. My favorite since Awake I think.
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9- Beneath the Surface - This is one of the few songs that did not surprise me (positively or negatively). Simple, moving, beautiful. Love the solos closer to the end. Only problem for me is I don't really get the lyrics... What is going on in that song? The basic premise I got (I think), but the chorus really confuses me. Still 9.5/10
It's about a lack of communication of thoughts and feelings between two people and the rift that separates them as a result, all the while those feelings quietly wait in the background.
At least that's what I got out of it.
I had gotten that (though you described it much better than I could...). Here's the first chorus (I wrote it down from the stream, so it might be wrong):
Until one day I started caring
And began to forget
Why I longed to be so close
And I disappeared into the darkness
And the darkness turned to pain
And never went away
Until all that remained was buried
Deep beneath the surface
I don't get what "started caring" or "began to forget" means in this context.
The only thing I can think of is this: In this relationship (described in the quote) the person singing started to act pridefully ("I don't need her/him!"/"Strong independent woman" ideology) and then drifted away from his beloved. This denial of his love caused him to suffer and live a shadow of the life he wished he led. Though he might not show it, the pain, the darkness and ultimately also the love are still there, buried inside of him.
Does this make any sense?
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Is it weird that i love every song on this album? No seriously EVERY SONG. My favorite since Awake I think.
Not weird at all. MASTERPIECE.
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Wow, Outcry is probably the best instrumental section since Intervals. :biggrin:
Edit: No, it's way better.
Pretty daring to make that kind of proclimation so quick. It might turn out that way, but after 100s of listens to Intervals, I'm surprised one could say "way better" after just a few listens. That's like saying BAI is "way better" than LtL.
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9- Beneath the Surface - This is one of the few songs that did not surprise me (positively or negatively). Simple, moving, beautiful. Love the solos closer to the end. Only problem for me is I don't really get the lyrics... What is going on in that song? The basic premise I got (I think), but the chorus really confuses me. Still 9.5/10
It's about a lack of communication of thoughts and feelings between two people and the rift that separates them as a result, all the while those feelings quietly wait in the background.
At least that's what I got out of it.
I had gotten that (though you described it much better than I could...). Here's the first chorus (I wrote it down from the stream, so it might be wrong):
Until one day I started caring
And began to forget
Why I longed to be so close
And I disappeared into the darkness
And the darkness turned to pain
And never went away
Until all that remained was buried
Deep beneath the surface
I don't get what "started caring" or "began to forget" means in this context.
The only thing I can think of is this: In this relationship (described in the quote) the person singing started to act pridefully ("I don't need her/him!"/"Strong independent woman" ideology) and then drifted away from his beloved. This denial of his love caused him to suffer and live a shadow of the life he wished he led. Though he might not show it, the pain, the darkness and ultimately also the love are still there, buried inside of him.
Does this make any sense?
Stopped caring.
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I don't get what "started caring" or "began to forget" means in this context.
That's because you got the lyric wrong. ;)
It's "stopped caring", which makes more sense.
edit: Myung'd
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Just got to Far From Heaven. Man, James Labrie is such a good lyricist sometimes!
Wow, Outcry is probably the best instrumental section since Intervals. :biggrin:
Edit: No, it's way better.
Pretty daring to make that kind of proclimation so quick. It might turn out that way, but after 100s of listens to Intervals, I'm surprised one could say "way better" after just a few listens. That's like saying BAI is "way better" than LtL.
That's the whole point in slobbering over a new album noob :P
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They need to open the shows with Bridges in the Sky.
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They need to open the shows with Bridges in the Sky.
"15 minutes to Shamaaaan!"
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By the way, what's the chorus of Outcry?
Have listened to it three times already, but I can't pinpoint which part is the chorus...
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By the way, what's the chorus of Outcry?
Have listened to it three times already, but I can't pinpoint which part is the chorus...
I think it's:
Rise up, be counted, stand strong and unite
Wait for the outcry, resistance is calling tonight
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They need to open the shows with Bridges in the Sky.
I agree completely. The intro would be perfect, AND the whole fucking song is perfect! Seriously, I can't believe how much I like this song.
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I don't get what "started caring" or "began to forget" means in this context.
That's because you got the lyric wrong. ;)
It's "stopped caring", which makes more sense.
edit: Myung'd
Oh, that makes more sense. Still, do you think my interpretation of it is correct? (If anything, the stopped caring only strengthens the idea of repressed feelings)
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For those who are listening to the album and have listened to it successfully several times: how long did it take to initially load? And what browser are you using?
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For those who are listening to the album and have listened to it successfully several times: how long did it take to initially load? And what browser are you using?
I use IE and I initially opened the window and let it load for 25 minutes before I played anything. I had other things to do, so the wait didn't kill me. haha.
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I just want to know how they are going to play some of this stuff live. It seems almost impossible like Lost but not forgotten and Outcry, even breaking all illusions would be difficult.
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DAT CHANT
BITS intro has the best intro of the album but I feel towards the end it kind of drags a bit.
Also which part EXACTLY is the "tickle" section JP mentioned in Outcry (I believe)?
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Two of my favorite DT ballads are on this album as well. This is the life and Beneath the surface. WOW! :tup
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DAT CHANT
BITS intro has the best intro of the album but I feel towards the end it kind of drags a bit.
Also which part EXACTLY is the "tickle" section JP mentioned in Outcry (I believe)?
The tickle section is at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten after the UAGM-like intro. Just listen for the ridiculously awesome guitar/keys unison.
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I just want to know how they are going to play some of this stuff live. It seems almost impossible like Lost but not forgotten and Outcry, even breaking all illusions would be difficult.
I don't think they're any more difficult than some of the other crazy stuff they've had to pull off live. What aspect do you think will be difficult? (relatively speaking, of course :lol )
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Onto Beneath the Surface now... has been a nice album!
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The BitS chorus has to be the best chorus ever made by DT...
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Rating: 6.5/10. Position: my 9th favorite DT album above FII and Awake.
*snip*
I felt very similar to you after my first couple of listens. It certainly is a grower though.
However I think I will always stand by the opinion that the Shaman sample is awful, and ruins the song (particularly at the end). And that the unison near the beginning of Lost is a seriously failed experiment
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Just got to Far From Heaven. Man, James Labrie is such a good lyricist sometimes!
Wow, Outcry is probably the best instrumental section since Intervals. :biggrin:
Edit: No, it's way better.
Pretty daring to make that kind of proclimation so quick. It might turn out that way, but after 100s of listens to Intervals, I'm surprised one could say "way better" after just a few listens. That's like saying BAI is "way better" than LtL.
That's the whole point in slobbering over a new album noob :P
Just because I'm not a heavy poster doesn't make me a noob... been here it was dtf.net. No need to sling anything. Nothing wrong with slobbering, I just thought it was early to make such a statement. Time will tell (at least, for me).
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The BitS chorus has to be the best chorus ever made by DT...
Big statement. Maybe take the time, re-evaluate?
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No one's mentioned This is the Life, which is sneakily good. First time I heard it I was like "Cool, I enjoyed that. Good music and lyrics." After a couple more listens, I found a deeper understanding and appreciation of the composition, the emotional tone, and how the lyrics become amazing with the music.
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DAT CHANT
BITS intro has the best intro of the album but I feel towards the end it kind of drags a bit.
Also which part EXACTLY is the "tickle" section JP mentioned in Outcry (I believe)?
The tickle section is at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten after the UAGM-like intro. Just listen for the ridiculously awesome guitar/keys unison.
Ah, I don't mind that part. Seems to be getting a lot of hate though.
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Just finished it. Really, really good album. Too early to review it or rank it, but a couple standout tracks were Outcry, Far From Heaven, and Build Me Up Break Me Down. This is up there with Scenes and Six Degrees, in my early opinion.
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I just want to know how they are going to play some of this stuff live. It seems almost impossible like Lost but not forgotten and Outcry, even breaking all illusions would be difficult.
I don't think they're any more difficult than some of the other crazy stuff they've had to pull off live. What aspect do you think will be difficult? (relatively speaking, of course :lol )
Lost but not forgotten is INSANE. and Outcry is even more insane.
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No one's mentioned This is the Life, which is sneakily good. First time I heard it I was like "Cool, I enjoyed that. Good music and lyrics." After a couple more listens, I found a deeper understanding and appreciation of the composition, the emotional tone, and how the lyrics become amazing with the music.
It's actually probably my second favourite on the album. I love that it's a classic DT ballad in the style of something from FII/SFAM. It sounds timeless. It has a signature Petrucci melody that recurs throughout the song, and it has my favourite guitar solo on the entire album (not to mention the outro too with those hamonies).
It's a perfectly constructed song that does everything well. It has a great bridge section, and that outro chorus with the higher vocals and added section tops off the vocals perfectly.
So as you said, sneakily good. It went under the radar for my first couple of listens, but I've really come to love it over time.
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The BitS chorus has to be the best chorus ever made by DT...
Big statement. Maybe take the time, re-evaluate?
That chorus needs a big statement, dammit!
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DAT CHANT
BITS intro has the best intro of the album but I feel towards the end it kind of drags a bit.
Also which part EXACTLY is the "tickle" section JP mentioned in Outcry (I believe)?
The tickle section is at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten after the UAGM-like intro. Just listen for the ridiculously awesome guitar/keys unison.
Ah, I don't mind that part. Seems to be getting a lot of hate though.
I love that unison.
Haters gonna hate.
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With a close listen, at 6:47 to 6:59 Mangini is in total fire in Lost Not Forgotten.
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Oh, nice we're discussing this album.
Amazing album, I can't decide what's my favorite tune yet. Miles above Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds
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DAT CHANT
BITS intro has the best intro of the album but I feel towards the end it kind of drags a bit.
Also which part EXACTLY is the "tickle" section JP mentioned in Outcry (I believe)?
The tickle section is at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten after the UAGM-like intro. Just listen for the ridiculously awesome guitar/keys unison.
Ah, I don't mind that part. Seems to be getting a lot of hate though.
I love that unison.
Haters gonna hate.
Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
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DAT CHANT
BITS intro has the best intro of the album but I feel towards the end it kind of drags a bit.
Also which part EXACTLY is the "tickle" section JP mentioned in Outcry (I believe)?
The tickle section is at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten after the UAGM-like intro. Just listen for the ridiculously awesome guitar/keys unison.
Ah, I don't mind that part. Seems to be getting a lot of hate though.
I love that unison.
Haters gonna hate.
Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
Have you read the hate for that section in this thread? It's getting a lot more hate than what I thought it would.
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Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song.
Whoever described it as like being tickled was only half right, it makes you cry out to stop it
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I like that unison for what it is, a "WTF THEY PLAY FAST LOL" moment.
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Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song
Stop hyperbolizing. (screw you, spellcheck. That's a word now)
I can understand people not liking it, but it's not that bad at all.
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Something else to consider - isn't this easily a top three JLB album? Leaving aside the vocal melodies and lyrics, which he's largely not responsible, the way he delivered them on this album is extraordinary. He makes Lost Not Forgotten come alive, takes Bridges to a whole new level, captures the emotional nuance of BMUBMD, and makes you feel the tragedy of FFH and BTS. Other than I&W and Awake, I can't think of a single DT album where JLB is so responsible for making the songs good.
Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song.
Whoever described it as like being tickled was only half right, it makes you cry out to stop it
I don't think it's that bad, just a bit too long. I kinda wish it would have been after the keyboard solo though. It would have been a bigger transition into the final chorus, and we could have gotten into the first verse sooner.
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Listening to it for the first time, Bridges in the Sky and Breaking all Illusions seem to be the best to me. Obviously, judging a DT album listening to it for a first time... but i like it a lot.
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...dunno if someone has heard the "The Shattered Fortress" section in BITS... cool reference on MP, I think ;D
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Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song.
Whoever described it as like being tickled was only half right, it makes you cry out to stop it
I raise you "day aftuh day", the rapped verse in prophets of war and most of a rite of passage.
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Wait people actually dont like it? WTF??? :omg:
I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song.
Whoever described it as like being tickled was only half right, it makes you cry out to stop it
I'd say it's the most ridiculous piece of music they have ever written. I mean, how can a human even play such thing? :D
I love that part.
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I don't think it's that bad, just a bit too long. I kinda wish it would have been after the keyboard solo though. It would have been a bigger transition into the final chorus, and we could have gotten into the first verse sooner.
I agree. Personally, the unison itself is awesome but I think it was introduced the song a bit too soon into the song.
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Something else to consider - isn't this easily a top three JLB album?
I don't know. While I find no faults in JLB's vocals on the album, nothing's really jumped out at me as being particularly fantastic so far. Frankly, with JLB recording in Canada on his own terms and his talk about how good he felt about the vocals, I expected more. I hope they'll sound better in a better quality recording and the subtleties will emerge.
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I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song
Stop hyperbolizing. (screw you, spellcheck. That's a word now)
I can understand people not liking it, but it's not that bad at all.
I honestly tried to see the beauty in it, but I'm just not getting it.
When I don't like something DT do, I generally try to like it (I figure there must be something I'm not "getting" about it) but in this case I just can't get into it.
Which I've never experienced before (I can even dig Raw dog on a good day ;) ), hence why I consider it the worst section I've ever encountered
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Something else to consider - isn't this easily a top three JLB album? Leaving aside the vocal melodies and lyrics, which he's largely not responsible, the way he delivered them on this album is extraordinary. He makes Lost Not Forgotten come alive, takes Bridges to a whole new level, captures the emotional nuance of BMUBMD, and makes you feel the tragedy of FFH and BTS. Other than I&W and Awake, I can't think of a single DT album where JLB is so responsible for making the songs good.
Agreed that James is probably the biggest star of this album along with JM and JR. He's always sounded good in the studio, but here he sounds GREAT. Bridges in the Sky is one of his best songs.
On a side note, I agree with Lonestar that BitS would be a great opener.
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I'd say that's easily the worst section they've ever put in a song.
Whoever described it as like being tickled was only half right, it makes you cry out to stop it
I raise you "day aftuh day", the rapped verse in prophets of war and most of a rite of passage.
I'll take either of them thank you very much, honestly.
Just to be clear though, I am loving the album after a few listens. I don't know about the instant classic label many have put on it, but it's certainly a good album
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I love the last chorus in BTS where JLB takes it up an octave, it just kind of hits you.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down reminds me of Korn at times. I still like the song, though
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I love the last chorus in BTS where JLB takes it up an octave, it just kind of hits you.
Gave me goosebumps the first two times I heard it.
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I love the last chorus in BTS where JLB takes it up an octave, it just kind of hits you.
This.
Something else to consider - isn't this easily a top three JLB album?
Absolutely. BITS, FFH, BTS are all sung perfectly.
Hell, all of the songs on this album are sung really great.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down reminds me of Korn at times. I still like the song, though
I love the whole CD, but strangely enough BMU is one of my favorite songs. I love they did some true experimentation here.
It reminds me of Elements of Persuassion, which is an amazing thing.
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It's one of the most difficult musical sections they have ever made. The fact that it's a short part of an awesome song makes it even more awesome. I don't get some fans on here.
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Oh..... that happened.
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Oh..... that happened.
And it wasn't funny, either.
EDIT: Although it is funny that the quotes still use the dark theme.
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bosky, you lying bastard, you!
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FAWN FAWN FAWN
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I love the last chorus in BTS where JLB takes it up an octave, it just kind of hits you.
Gave me goosebumps the first two times I heard it.
This. AND BEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN TO FORGET WHY I LONGED TO BE SO CLOOOOOSE
BTS might end up as my #1 song choice from the album since I kinda relate to that song >_>
EDIT: Much better skin, kinda fits with the new album's cover... THEY'RE BOTH BLUE!
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It's one of the most difficult musical sections they have ever made. The fact that it's a short part of an awesome song makes it even more awesome. I don't get some fans on here.
It's difficult therefore it should be loved? And it's short therefore it should be loved?
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I enjoy the Friday theme, but question the timing. Tons of new people will possibly be coming today. I'm not sure Rebecca Black should be their first impression.
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I fucking love it. This is BY FAR their best work since SDOIT. Everyone shines on this album. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Perfect album.
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In about half an hour, that theme will disappear forever, so love it while you can.
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AND BEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN TO FORGET WHY I LONGED TO BE SO CLOOOOOSE
That just comes out of nowhere in all it's awesomeness. So unexpected, but so beautiful
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Regarding the "tickle" section... It's not as bad as some make it out to be. The only issue I have with it is that it's a bit too long for my taste. Other than that, it's OK.
And am I the only one who expected the final chorus of BTS (with JLB singing an octave higher) with the full band coming in? I would have loved that. But as it is, it's still great.
I enjoy the Friday theme, but question the timing. Tons of new people will possibly be coming today. I'm not sure Rebecca Black should be their first impression.
In 30 minutes, noone will have access to the forum. But yeah, cramming in this atrocity doesn't do it any good either.
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Something else to consider - isn't this easily a top three JLB album? Leaving aside the vocal melodies and lyrics, which he's largely not responsible, the way he delivered them on this album is extraordinary. He makes Lost Not Forgotten come alive, takes Bridges to a whole new level, captures the emotional nuance of BMUBMD, and makes you feel the tragedy of FFH and BTS. Other than I&W and Awake, I can't think of a single DT album where JLB is so responsible for making the songs good.
Agreed that James is probably the biggest star of this album along with JM and JR. He's always sounded good in the studio, but here he sounds GREAT. Bridges in the Sky is one of his best songs.
On a side note, I agree with Lonestar that BitS would be a great opener.
I'll let you know in 15 days. ;)
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It's one of the most difficult musical sections they have ever made. The fact that it's a short part of an awesome song makes it even more awesome. I don't get some fans on here.
It's difficult therefore it should be loved? And it's short therefore it should be loved?
If it was the whole song I would probably agree. But the fact that it's a sick progressive metal section from a prog metal band in a kick ass song... Makes it great to me.
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Did anybody catch the Far From Heaven references in BAI? I knew there would be some, and I've been listening to find them, but nothing sticks out to me yet. Possibly the guitar solo right after the first "searching ouuuuuuut!" section? thoughts?
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Did anybody catch the Far From Heaven references in BAI? I knew there would be some, and I've been listening to find them, but nothing sticks out to me yet. Possibly the guitar solo right after the first "searching ouuuuuuut!" section? thoughts?
Check the end of BAI
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Yup, Some of the chord progressions after the first verse (before the heavy part), and the ending.
By the way, the ending to Breaking all Illusions is probably one of my favorite DT moments ever. It sounds so Lion King-esque it's ridiculous.
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Did anybody catch the Far From Heaven references in BAI? I knew there would be some, and I've been listening to find them, but nothing sticks out to me yet. Possibly the guitar solo right after the first "searching ouuuuuuut!" section? thoughts?
I was baffled when I first heard about it, and I still can't hear any connection.
edit: But hef and Darklol to the rescue!
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No love for "This is the Life"??
I think that song is just beautiful, I def got some chills towards the end.
JLB sounds amazing, love how we can hear JM more, MM did a good job.
MVP for me is JP though and JR is the most improved
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By the way, the ending to Breaking all Illusions is probably one of my favorite DT moments ever. It sounds so Lion King-esque it's ridiculous.
BAI's ending is definitely amazing and worthy of closing the song, but I'm also good with the fact that it isn't the last song on the album. I just can't stand it when album closers that don't fade out don't end on a resolving chord. And BTS is such a good song on top of it, so...
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Did anybody catch the Far From Heaven references in BAI? I knew there would be some, and I've been listening to find them, but nothing sticks out to me yet. Possibly the guitar solo right after the first "searching ouuuuuuut!" section? thoughts?
2:35 - Far From Heaven
11:04 - Breaking All Illusions
Very similar (possibly the same)
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I love how the theme switches to this godawefullness, and everyone keeps stroking it over the new album without missing a beat. lofuckingl
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I love how the theme switches to this godawefullness, and everyone keeps stroking it over the new album without missing a beat. lofuckingl
Well you know what they say about when you stroke it too much. Nobody can even see the forum theme by this point.
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Yup, Some of the chord progressions after the first verse (before the heavy part), and the ending.
By the way, the ending to Breaking all Illusions is probably one of my favorite DT moments ever. It sounds so Lion King-esque it's ridiculous.
BAI was the song I was most excited about, and it just seems the most.....colorful, i guess is the right word. Like a modern day Learning to Live (perhaps Unlearning to Live should be the title) ;D
And the references I'm sure are there, I'll probably just have to keep listening! they just seem so subtle!
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I love how the theme switches to this godawefullness, and everyone keeps stroking it over the new album without missing a beat. lofuckingl
Well you know what they say about when you stroke it too much. Nobody can even see the forum theme by this point.
:rollin
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Did anybody catch the Far From Heaven references in BAI? I knew there would be some, and I've been listening to find them, but nothing sticks out to me yet. Possibly the guitar solo right after the first "searching ouuuuuuut!" section? thoughts?
2:35 - Far From Heaven
11:04 - Breaking All Illusions
Very similar (possibly the same)
Exact same progression from what I can tell. Never even noticed it until I started humming the BAI tune over it, and it's a perfect fit.
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BAI's ending is definitely amazing and worthy of closing the song, but I'm also good with the fact that it isn't the last song on the album. I just can't stand it when album closers that don't fade out don't end on a resolving chord. And BTS is such a good song on top of it, so...
I love Beneath The Surface, but I would rather the album ended with Breaking All Illusions, and Beneath got an earlier spot. Preferably further away from Far From Heaven
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Did anybody catch the Far From Heaven references in BAI? I knew there would be some, and I've been listening to find them, but nothing sticks out to me yet. Possibly the guitar solo right after the first "searching ouuuuuuut!" section? thoughts?
2:35 - Far From Heaven
11:04 - Breaking All Illusions
Very similar (possibly the same)
Good Catch! Those two match up very well! :tup
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2:35 - Far From Heaven
11:04 - Breaking All Illusions
Very similar (possibly the same)
Exact same progression from what I can tell. Never even noticed it until I started humming the BAI tune over it, and it's a perfect fit.
I didn't notice it in Illusions, I actually spotted it on a repeat listen of Heaven. But that's probably because Illusions is firmly engraved in my mind in all it's awesomeness :tup
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Anyone else that the last line of BAI kinda hints for a sequel ("Karma starts the signal")? I just can't look past that.
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This album is just fantastic. I really, really like every song, which is not something I can say about many DT albums. I am particularly impressed with JLB, as I have at times in the past found his vocals grating, but his melodies and delivery are just perfect on ADTOE and I'm as pleased as can be! The one, one issue I have is that the drums are too low, but it's not the end of the world. This is a future top 10 album for me :metal
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2:35 - Far From Heaven
11:04 - Breaking All Illusions
Very similar (possibly the same)
Exact same progression from what I can tell. Never even noticed it until I started humming the BAI tune over it, and it's a perfect fit.
I do wonder though, if that's the only reference that has been pointed out so far.
I didn't notice it in Illusions, I actually spotted it on a repeat listen of Heaven. But that's probably because Illusions is firmly engraved in my mind in all it's awesomeness :tup
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Anyone else that the last line of BAI kinda hints for a sequel ("Karma starts the signal")? I just can't look past that.
Heh, I definitely wouldn't mind that. But I really, really dig this line. I can't pinpoint the reason, but it's really great imo.
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Anyone else that the last line of BAI kinda hints for a sequel ("Karma starts the signal")? I just can't look past that.
I wasn't supposed to say anything, but DT are actually writing a song as we speak called "Breaking More Illusions" (or BMI, as it shall be known on the forum).
Seriously though, I think given the nature of the subject, it's just not supposed to be a conclusive ending.
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Anyone else that the last line of BAI kinda hints for a sequel ("Karma starts the signal")? I just can't look past that.
On DT12, you can expect a song called "Breaking More Illusions"
Edit: ....damn. i guess people on here think very alike!
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Anyone else that the last line of BAI kinda hints for a sequel ("Karma starts the signal")? I just can't look past that.
On DT12, you can expect a song called "Breaking More Illusions"
Breaking Harder!
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By the way, the ending to Breaking all Illusions is probably one of my favorite DT moments ever. It sounds so Lion King-esque it's ridiculous.
BAI's ending is definitely amazing and worthy of closing the song, but I'm also good with the fact that it isn't the last song on the album. I just can't stand it when album closers that don't fade out don't end on a resolving chord. And BTS is such a good song on top of it, so...
I think of it like going to a theme park. The last super big ride was Breaking all Illusions, and when you think or feel it's over, you get the fireworks (Beneath the Surface).
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Mah... mah brotha? :blush
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I've only heard up through Outcry, and already I can hear a difference regarding the instrumental breaks. They flow in and out much more naturally than the past few albums. It actually feels part of the song as opposed to "the instrumental section".
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This album is right up there with my favorites. I can't decide if it's on par with or better than Images and Words or Scenes (my long-time up tier DT albums) yet, but I definitely like it better than SDOIT, Octavarium and Awake (my long-time middle-up tier DT albums).
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I was not convinced after my first couple of listens, but after a dozen plays I am totally in love with this album! I've been a huge DT fan for about a decade and have liked every record they have released since then with the exception of SC. However, I've usually felt there was one or two stand-out songs on their latest records that stood out from otherwise rather mediocre records (the count of tuscany, octavarium, sacrificed sons and in the name of god comes to mind).
But this is not the feeling I get with ADTOE. I honestly can't tell you which song is my favorite on this record, as there are just too many awesome songs here! I can't really find a weak or even mediocre song here either, maybe with the exception of BMUBMD. I also really like the balance of the record, with both ballads, crazy progressive stuff, and more straight forward rock/metal parts with great melodies. Everything I love about DT. I also think FieryWinds has a great point about the instrumental sections, they feel much more natural and in tune with the rest of the song then on most of their other recent work.
Still too early to say how it will stand the test of time, but I'm pretty sure ADTOE is one of my top 5 DT records to date, and it may go down as one of my top 3 records ever!
As for ranking:
:hefdaddy Legendary: Breaking All Illusions, Bridges In The Sky, Outcry
:metal Great: Beneath The Surface, Lost Not Forgotten
:tup Very Good: On The Backs Of Angels, This Is The Life, Far From Heaven
:corn Good: Build Me Up, Break Me Down
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I was not convinced after my first couple of listens, but after a week and at least a dozen plays I am totally in love with this album!
You might wanna read the stickied threads before posting
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Anyone else get a Rachmaninoff vibe from the piano at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten?
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The main riff to Outcry (1:48) reminds me of Palladio, mainly Jordan's part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBwa8nqtris&t=0m16s
Which is fully awesome
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Anyone else get a Rachmaninoff vibe from the piano at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten?
I wouldn't know about him specifically, but I love in general how it's so firmly rooted in classical piano while still being Dream Theater.
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Yeah. The album is really, really great.
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Finally got the site working somewhat well for me. Gotta say, I'm pretty impressed. The only song I'm at all disappointed with is Outcry, and I'm only disappointed with that because I predicted it was going to be my favorite song on the album. Whereas it turned out to be probably the weakest song on the album, in my opinion. There's nothing WRONG with it, it's just not as awesome as I had a feeling it was going to be.
BMU,BMD is a pretty cool song. Nothing particularly special for me, but fun to listen to. Lost Not Forgotten is another one that doesn't really stand out as spectacular to me, although it has some really cool moments and a pretty catchy chorus. This Is The Life is a lovely song. I love the intro and the way it slows down into all of its ballady goodness. In fact, while I'm on TitL, I'll go ahead and say this: in terms of ballads alone, I think ADTOE is the strongest album DT have ever done. TitL is great, Far From Heaven is extremely pretty, and Beneath the Surface is downright gorgeous. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I think BTS is my favorite DT ballad to date.
Bridges in the Sky is a very cool song with an excellent chorus and some great melodies. Although I do think the shamanic burping detracts from it somewhat... the sound isn't so bad at the beginning, but I don't like how they reprised it at the end. Listening to it, it felt like a song that should fade out, and instead, there's that noise again. Kind of a downer for me. But still an awesome track overall.
Already mentioned my vague disappointment with Outcry, so that leaves...
Breaking All Illusions. Again, granted, it's still new and shiny, so I'm probably biased when I say this, but... I won't be surprised if BAI ends up in my top 10 DT songs list.
So overall, I think it's a very good album. I only hope it ages well.
Now comes the hard part, where I try to convince myself that one listen is enough and I can now wait until I have the album in my own CD player to listen again. Wish me luck.
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I've decided that I won't listen to it until I get it emailed from RR on monday. My intarwebs come really slow, so streaming isn't a good alternative. Also have to finish my discography-marathon, started off with WDADRU just now.
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So I listened to the entire album and on first impression I have mixed and maybe a little disappointing feelings for it.
My biggest concern is that most of the album, and this is not just my catch, is a reworking of Images and Words. The music is different but the song structures are for the most part identical. For instance we know OTBOA is PMU, but also LNF is Under a Glass Moon, Outcry is Metropolis, and BAI is LTL. Seems a bit gimmicky to me and I have to say this distracts me from the song because I am thinking of the I&W counterpart song the whole way through.
The album has a lot going on in it musically, much more than any of the previous recent releases. It's hard to say if this will grow on me or not but after a listen there was nothing too memorable that stood out other then a lot more proggy sounding passages than before. I noticed that things change gears often in most of the songs and there is not a lot of space in the music. Also, I felt some of the transitions were really choppy and a bit unexpected. This disc certainly needs a number of listens to comprehend it. I did think the slower songs were nice, especially Beneath the Surface.
Before I make anymore judgement I am going to give it a few more listens to let it soak in. It may be a grower, which to be honest I&W was a grower for me way back when. This disc may be the same for me.
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Also, I thought the programmed drums were a nice touch when they were used. What are everyone elses thoughts?
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anyone else picking up an Opeth vibe in the Breaking All Illusions solo at 7:10ish?
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Dream Theater :clap:
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Also, I thought the programmed drums were a nice touch when they were used. What are everyone elses thoughts?
Totally enjoyed them. Although I'm a fan of electronic music in general.
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So I listened to the entire album and on first impression I have mixed and maybe a little disappointing feelings for it.
My biggest concern is that most of the album, and this is not just my catch, is a reworking of Images and Words. The music is different but the song structures are for the most part identical. For instance we know OTBOA is PMU, but also LNF is Under a Glass Moon, Outcry is Metropolis, and BAI is LTL. Seems a bit gimmicky to me and I have to say this distracts me from the song because I am thinking of the I&W counterpart song the whole way through.
My first impression of it was really bad, but it grows, and pretty quickly. I think it's about putting expectations aside, this album was hyped up to high hell and that's been hard to not get sucked into a bit.
I think the whole counter part thing is really cool, it's a neat idea and I think it works really well. It also shows that the nuggetz side of DT hasn't left along with Portnoy.
My biggest problem was that to my ears there are a lot of unnatural key changes. That didn't set well with me on my first few listens, it just didn't seem like anything flowed. But once you're expecting those things I guess you get used to them, and you can then pay attention to everything else around them.
Maybe that's just me though
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Also, I thought the programmed drums were a nice touch when they were used. What are everyone elses thoughts?
At the start of Build Me Up, and after listening to Angels, I was kinda scratching my head. But by the time the verse with them in came around I was digging it.
That's one of the reasons I love DT though, for the surprises
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Lost not Forgotten 1:54-2:34 is one of the most atrocious pieces of crap
I actually loved that part, but I can see why lots would hate it.
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A Dramatic Turn of Events out of 100
On The Backs of Angels - 85
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - 83
Lost Not Forgotten - 85
This Is The Life - 85
Bridges In The Sky - 93
Outcry - 93
Far From Heaven -> Breaking All Illusions - 95
Beneath The Surface - 95
I rank ADTOE as DT's 4th best album. (Behind SDOIT, Scenes, and I&W)
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haha, I refresh this thread for the first time since about 1pm and I thought this site merged with dt.net for a second. Nice re-design, guys.
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I just want to know how they are going to play some of this stuff live. It seems almost impossible like Lost but not forgotten and Outcry, even breaking all illusions would be difficult.
That was their concern too. But these guys regularly do things that are impossible, so I'm not too worried. Besides, they've got something to prove. That always is a great motivator.
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I pretty much dont like any of this album yet. Im quite sad as i was really looking forward to this. All the talking about in my top 3 albums ever and love all the songs on the album and best since whatever, is just confusing the shit out of me! It feels like some kind of joke or conspiracy against me or everyones at a party and im not invited haha
There is nothing i love about Dream Theater on this album, from beginning to end all that jumps out at me are things that just annoy and bore me. This reminds me of when listening to Death Magnetic and everyone saying its great and a return to form, when i just found 90% of it tedious.
Im not slagging DT im just a bit gutted that im not diggin it and its getting worse every listen. :'(
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Numerical score so far, song by song:
ATBOA: 8/10
BMUMBD: 8/10
LNF: 8/10
TITL: 8/10
BITS: 8/10
Outcry: 5/10
FFH: 8/10
BAI: 8/10
BTS: 8/10
I have no idea what that means. I don't dislike Outcry, but I can't get into it.
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I pretty much dont like any of this album yet. Im quite sad as i was really looking forward to this. All the talking about in my top 3 albums ever and love all the songs on the album and best since whatever, is just confusing the shit out of me! It feels like some kind of joke or conspiracy against me or everyones at a party and im not invited haha
There is nothing i love about Dream Theater on this album, from beginning to end all that jumps out at me are things that just annoy and bore me. This reminds me of when listening to Death Magnetic and everyone saying its great and a return to form, when i just found 90% of it tedious.
Im not slagging DT im just a bit gutted that im not diggin it and its getting worse every listen. :'(
Why don't you like it?
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Numerical score so far, song by song:
ATBOA: 8/10
BMUMBD: 8/10
LNF: 8/10
TITL: 8/10
BITS: 8/10
Outcry: 5/10
FFH: 8/10
BAI: 8/10
BTS: 8/10
I have no idea what that means. I don't dislike Outcry, but I can't get into it.
Well, I guess consistency is something.
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Love the album ;)
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This album is so fantastic, aah.
I'd definitely say a top 5 DT album, perhaps top 3 after more listens and time passes. The melodies are amazing, everything's so fresh and powerful, and I just really love this album.
Song rankings:
Beneath the Surface
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges in the Sky
Outcry
On the Backs of Angels
Lost Not Forgotten
This is the Life
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Far From Heaven
This isn't saying a whole lot, since all of the songs are really awesome. So proud of DT.
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Numerical score so far, song by song:
ATBOA: 8/10
BMUMBD: 8/10
LNF: 8/10
TITL: 8/10
BITS: 8/10
Outcry: 5/10
FFH: 8/10
BAI: 8/10
BTS: 8/10
I have no idea what that means. I don't dislike Outcry, but I can't get into it.
Give it more spin!!at first i hated this is the lif,e now thorughout the day i find myself humming the song...this album is definitevely a grower with no weak spot. For sure isn't a easy album.
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Going through the album for the first time. Just reaching the end of OTBOA. Let the journey begin! Love the theme btw
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A few thoughts:
LaBrie sounds excellent on this album. He sounds as good or better on Bridges as he has on anything he's done IMO.
I think that individually, this is Rudess's best album with the band. He does a wide variety of different things, but his experimentation is almost all successful IMO. He does a great job of carrying a song when necessary and remaining in the background supplementing the other guys when it's called for. And even his solos are awesome!
I don't know much of anything about mixes or dynamics, but to my untrained ears, the drums sound a little too quiet and don't have quite enough power. The drumming itself is obviously good, but like others have said, it all sounds very "safe" for the most part. I don't like the drumming during the BAI chorus, it's almost grating; I feel like they could have done something cooler with that. But again, I'm reaching for stuff to bitch about. And I really like the electronic-sounding parts.
The ending of Outcry (last minute or so) is easily the worst part of the album. I do like the rest of the song, although the lyrics aren't very good.
Breaking All Illusions, Bridges in the Sky, and Beneath the Surface are the early standouts for me. But This is the Life was also unexpectedly great, and I really don't dislike any song on the album so far.
Will reserve further judgment until I've had a chance to listen more, but my early opinion is that this album is at the very least light years better than anything DT have done since SDOIT, which is about all I had hoped for at this point. Very consistent compared to their recent albums as well. And much better lyrics overall.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down is a kick ass rocker. I expect a shorter version of it would have a video/single release, but it doesn't look like they have plans to make any videos for these songs yet.
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I love how the theme switches to this godawefullness, and everyone keeps stroking it over the new album without missing a beat. lofuckingl
A Dramatic Turn of Events is rated PG for some thematic elements.
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Before I make anymore judgement I am going to give it a few more listens to let it soak in. It may be a grower, which to be honest I&W was a grower for me way back when. This disc may be the same for me.
Growers are good. They fit in your underwear better.
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Short but sweet version: my favorite Dream Theater album since SFAM. Not only did it meet my expectations, it exceeded them. I am wondering if they can pull some of this stuff off live-especially Outcry, which makes my jaw drop every time I hear it. Musically, it's Jordan's album all the way, although JMX is far more audible and doing far more interesting parts than he has in years, and JLB is fantastic, his best vocals in a long time.
As for MM, I don't really see what he's doing as playing it safe, but rather playing what the song needs. He seems to be playing it safe in part due to not being mixed as upfront as the drums have been lately on DT albums, but he does a fantastic job on the album and can only improve as he becomes involved in the songwriting. Lyrics are a lot better than they have been lately, though lets face it, that doesn't say a lot.
Love the album. Hope they play Lost Not Forgotten, Outcry, and Breaking All Illusions live just to see if they can do it...and I think they can. :metal
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Reapsta - still pretty much the same reasons as my post way back on page 1.
It would be easier to tell you the things i like rather than the things i dont!
To me the album sounds forced. When bands listen to fans and try and recapture form or a style from the past, it almost never ends well. Things seem unnatural and put there for the sake of it. Take Megadeths Sudden Death for example... Guitar hero or Rockband asked Megadeth to do a song for the game, they did the song but where asked to add more solos so it would be harder in the game, what turned out to be a great song for the game, was a song that just had lots of mindless noodling that as a song it just sounds forced. To me this DT album sounds like they have shoe horned in parts just for the sake of it, the fans wanted more prog so they forced it in, forced in time changes that seem awkward rather than adding a new dynamic or direction to the song etc. They seem like they wanted to go back to be more proggy but still add some heavy riffs of their later style to still sound contemporary and relevant again seeming to force the situation.
I think over the years DT had evolved in to something different from what they started as and every step was right at that time, ADTOE sounds like its trying to revisit and recapture something that they where a long time ago instead of just carrying on with a natural progression. stuff usually goes full circle but i feel on this effort that they have tried too hard, and i know im in the minority but i just dont like the result unfortunately.
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You are quite in the minority. Nothing on this album seems forced to me, only fresh and upbeat. This album feels 100% like Dream Theater, and that's just what I personally wanted.
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Heretic - millions of people loved the spice girls... It doesnt make them right! Just kidding!
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So I listened to the entire album and on first impression I have mixed and maybe a little disappointing feelings for it.
My biggest concern is that most of the album, and this is not just my catch, is a reworking of Images and Words. The music is different but the song structures are for the most part identical. For instance we know OTBOA is PMU, but also LNF is Under a Glass Moon, Outcry is Metropolis, and BAI is LTL. Seems a bit gimmicky to me and I have to say this distracts me from the song because I am thinking of the I&W counterpart song the whole way through.
The album has a lot going on in it musically, much more than any of the previous recent releases. It's hard to say if this will grow on me or not but after a listen there was nothing too memorable that stood out other then a lot more proggy sounding passages than before. I noticed that things change gears often in most of the songs and there is not a lot of space in the music. Also, I felt some of the transitions were really choppy and a bit unexpected. This disc certainly needs a number of listens to comprehend it. I did think the slower songs were nice, especially Beneath the Surface.
Before I make anymore judgement I am going to give it a few more listens to let it soak in. It may be a grower, which to be honest I&W was a grower for me way back when. This disc may be the same for me.
Why is it a bad thing that some songs have an Images and Words vibe?
I can def see OTBOA(PMU), LNF(UAGM), and BAI(LTL)...
but Outcry= Metropolis?? give me a break...
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MAAAAAAANGINI! They may have him a little lower in the mix than we're used to but, WOW. I don't know how some can say he played it safe or he'll get better when he's more involved in the writing. The guy is INSANE. His speed is WAY faster than Portnoy's, better fills, can play 3 different time signatures at the same time while following and accenting the individual musicians. I think some of you guys think he laid back because he makes it sound so effortless. He's NOT a look at me kind of guy. Portnoy's stuff was right in your face, that's why it was noticed and if you didn't notice it, he'd throw a drum stick at you, spit, jump up and down, or knock over his drums (adreneline mob). You'll never see that kind of stuff from the genie. No need to.
BTW, I'm still a huge Portnoy fan
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This album is definitely a grower. It was just way too much to take in on the first few listens. I could hardly remember anything from any song after my first listen because there was so much going on. Just like it was with OTBOA, I couldn't really remember any of the melodies on my first few listens, but then I wake up this morning and have sections of the album stuck in my head the whole day.
Overall, a really solid album. It's not likely to ever get to the level of SFAM or I&W, but right now I can say it's better then BCSL, SC, 8VM, WDADU, and TOT, and is probably going to find a home on the Awake/FII/SDOIT tier of DT albums.
Anyone else think the guitars are too loud in the mix? I felt sometimes like they were overpowering everything else and were just too much, especially on the really heavy parts in songs like Lost Not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky.
It also kind of felt like the album is really missing one or two more really awesome, melodic, soaring solos from JP. BAI solo is awesome, but none of the other solos really stand out to me right now.
Also, JLB is awesome on this album, but I feel as if he rarely really opens it up and goes for something really high. I suppose when you get to his age, you write the vocals with his limits in mind...but still.
Most people don't seem to like BMUBMD, but I really enjoy it. I was expecting something with a more upbeat mood to it, so I was surprised to find it had a somewhat dark feeling to it.
I'm not blown away by this album, but I'm not disappointed either. I'll reserve my final judgement for a few months down the road after I see how the album ages. Hopefully it does the opposite of BCSL, SC, 8VM, and ages well as a whole album, and I find myself listening to it in full rather then a few select songs.
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I pretty much dont like any of this album yet. Im quite sad as i was really looking forward to this. All the talking about in my top 3 albums ever and love all the songs on the album and best since whatever, is just confusing the shit out of me! It feels like some kind of joke or conspiracy against me or everyones at a party and im not invited haha
There is nothing i love about Dream Theater on this album, from beginning to end all that jumps out at me are things that just annoy and bore me. This reminds me of when listening to Death Magnetic and everyone saying its great and a return to form, when i just found 90% of it tedious.
Im not slagging DT im just a bit gutted that im not diggin it and its getting worse every listen. :'(
Just signed up to say you are not alone. After 5 listens I still haven’t quite got this album yet and it’s only jumped up to second bottom after WDADU in my list after more listens. When OTBOA came out I thought for this to be great album it would have to be one of the weaker songs but it’s probably one of my favourites.
BMUBMD is catchy and I quite like it but most see this as the worst track.
Lost Not Forgotten has a cool intro but it just gets worse as the song goes on and the chorus is really annoying.
I like the opening and closing guitar riff in This is the life but the rest of the song is bland.
Bridges in the Sky is possibly my favourite, the intro is really weird and not like DT and the chorus is catchy, the instrumental sections are quite interesting too, brilliant track but also the worst best song on an album since WDADU if that makes sense. It’s great but shouldn’t be the best song on an DT album.
I’m at war with the middle section in Outcry and it ruins the song for me. It’s just pointless and takes any emotional impact away from the song. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a bad song, the ending would be more effective if the song contain some actual content rather than just a beginning, an end and a waste of time in the middle.
I still can’t hum or sing anything from Far from heaven and it has already put me to sleep once. This song is a good cure for insomnia though.
BAI is great and very similar to Learning to Live, perhaps too much. It contains instrumental sections different to what they’ve been doing on recent albums giving it that IAW feel but still though I appreciate it as a good song, it’s not something I can see myself wanting to listen to a lot.
BNS is nice but doesn’t live up to past ballads.
Overall I mostly feel my negativity is because of the standards I have for DT. They’ve been too good up to now and so I expected more. Mangini’s drumming is great but the songs themselves just don’t do it for me. I heard it described as an album with no bad points but with nothing spectacular but for me it’s an album with a couple of bad points (FFH, Middle of Outcry, last half of LNF) and nothing spectacular (BITS wouldn’t be high on my list of DT songs) Every other album seems to deliver that one if not more special moment but this one just doesn’t have that. I’m not done with it yet so let’s hope it more listens make me more positive.
The artwork’s lovely though.
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Anyone else think the guitars are too loud in the mix? I felt sometimes like they were overpowering everything else and were just too much, especially on the really heavy parts in songs like Lost Not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky.
Little bit. I got used to it pretty easily as I went through it, but when BMU,BMD first started, I definitely had this impression.
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The ending to Bridges in the Sky is the most badass and heavy ending DT's ever done. Blows TDEN out of the water.
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Anyone else think the guitars are too loud in the mix? I felt sometimes like they were overpowering everything else and were just too much, especially on the really heavy parts in songs like Lost Not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky.
Little bit. I got used to it pretty easily as I went through it, but when BMU,BMD first started, I definitely had this impression.
I think in the next album the guitars will be quiter and drums will be louder if for no other reason than all our bitching! These guys do pay attention.
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Johncal - maybe the in your face over the top Portnoy style is what set DT apart for some people, possibly me included, so if that whole major element is missing, then it maybe more difficult to get into. If you take your favourite member out of any of your favourite bands - it just seems like a different band. No Slash in GnR, no Dave Lee Roth in Van Halen it changes the whole dynamic of the band.
I saw DT live a few weeks ago and they where the best ive ever seen them without Portnoy but this album to me doesnt give me the same optimism as what i saw live, thats why i wish they had written and recorded an album after a tour with Mangini.
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My track by track review. Read if you wish. If not, just skip right over it. Although, it isn't that fanboyish. Maybe a bit...
On the Backs of Angels
After another listen from a month drought, it still hits me the same way. I think it's a very strong song. Yes, the structure is reeking of PMU but isn't that the song that got them under the music radar? It's not such a bad song to model another after. It has a memorable chorus and a perfectly fit solo section. It introduces the album very well. Everyone has already had their opinions on this song so I will continue.
7.5/10
Build Me Up, Break Me Up
This one is a little more difficult to give a review on. Although the chorus is one of the catchiest I have heard by the band, the rest of the song feels very bland to me. Boring lead riff, simple verses, weak instrumental section. Now, I don't hate the song. But I feel it's one if not the weakest on the album. The use of the electronic drums was fairly interesting though and I do enjoy that it leads into Lost not Forgotten.
6/10
Lost Not Forgotten
This is probably one of my favorites on the album. Unlike a lot of the post I have read, I feel the chorus is driving. It's memorable enough for me to be able to hum it in the car. The intro is very strong. VERY strong. It feels like the opening to a movie. Yes, it is very UAGM-ish. Maybe that piano was put in in after the fact to offset the intro but regardless, it's a beautiful piano part. That diminished "tickle" section is absolutely awesome. It just doesn't end! MM really compliments the music here. This is one of his strong points on the album. Very tasteful fills. Although it doesn feel a little MP influenced. Not a bad thing whatsoever. The second verse is a really nice mood change. It's more melodic and I think it's a perfect fit. JLB is really shining on this song. His voice is gritty but not "growling". It's powerful and he has an amzing tone. The instrumental section or should I really say "solo section", is a perfect match. JP's solo is probably my favorite on the album. It feels so fresh. JR's solo isn't too wanky but he still puts some technicality into it. Feels more Kevin Moore-ish. A perfect ending to close it up.
8.5/10
This is the Life
I enjoy this track to a point. Gives me an Another Day vibe. That being said, it feels a bit more dragged out than AD. It's a little forgettable but the main progression is uplifting and gives you an overall good feeling. JLB once again is doing great here. It's much more calm and graceful. JP's solo is really good on this track as well. I don't feel like it's a "Spirit Carries On" or "Razor's Edge" no matter how much it wants to be. A good solo nonetheless. The ending is the strong part of this song. It builds very nicely and it's a typical DT big ending.
7/10
Bridges in the Sky
Oh man. That intro is so weird. I love it. It would be a great song to open a show with. Once the intro fades out and the band comes in, it just dumps the awesomeness right on you. I love it. It's very heavy but not like the heaviness of the past 3 albums. It's a very tasteful heaviness. I had doubts when I heard the snippet to this song. It sounded bland and uninspired. Wrong. The pre-chorus is so heavy and the melody that attaches to it is no exception. It melodic yet not a typical melody. It's really fresh. That chorus. Seriously, it's as DT as you can get. It's soaring! One of my favorite choruses to date. JLB sounds amazing once again on this track. So far, he has yet to disappoint me. The instrumental section sounds a bit like the past albums but it doesn't feel forced. It fits very nicely in there. It's not too long, not too short. Just right. It transitions right into the last chorus perfectly. Once again, a soaring chorus that ends on an unexpected not but that just makes it that much better. It ends dark that suits the songs a little better. One last Shaman call to end it.
9/10
Outcry
I'll be perfectly honest. This one really caught me off guard. I thought the whole song was going to have a TDoE feel. Wrong. It's starts with a soft intro that leads into a huge riff that offers a sneak peek to the chorus. It's a bit cliche but nice nonetheless. After the big intro, it slips a bit for me. I don't find myself tapping my foot or singing along. It starts to pick up a bit after the first verse. Then it drops again. A very weird flow. During this drop, it builds nicely into the chorus. The chorus is pretty nice in this song. Then it goes back into another verse. At least, this verse is a bit more driving than the first. The flow is still intact. Instrumental section. This is the strong point of the song (well it is most of it...). It's very inspired and it doesn't feel like a typical DT instrumental section. They don't rely on a singly riff or motif during this part. It's very inspired. Very LTE to me. Every instrument shines here and there's no plain "solo" for any instrument. Well, JM has his own little bass and drum part a few time in it but I don't count it as a solo. It ends right back into a fairly tasteful groove with piano bass and drums. I actually really dig this part. Once the vocals come in with the guitar, it's very nice. This is one my more favorable parts of the song. Then the chorus once more. Ending comes in with chants which ends on a very weird note. There's no resolve. Probably to show there will never be any resolution with a revolution.
8/10
Far From Heaven
My favorite ballad on the album. It's beautiful. This is where JLB really shines. The piano, the strings, everything about this song is just so beautiful. I can't get enough of it. I really have no complaints on this song. Even the part that is present in BAI fits perfectly with the whole feel. Did I mention that JLB sounds amazing on this one? JR does a spectacular job on here too. Strictly piano and it sounds amazing. I'm not sure what else to say about it other than it's too short!
9.5/10
Breaking All Illusions
I'm jumping on the bandwagon and saying that this is my favorite track on the album. From start to finish, it's a very strong song. There are no low points on this song. Maybe cutting the jazzy part in the middle down a litt....no, it works too well. Very old school DT. Everyone knew just from the snippet that it would be but now after hearing it all the way through, it exceeds my prior expectations. I love all the different mood changes it goes through. JM shines on this song on both a lyrical and bass stand point (yes, I know it's the only one he wrote lyrics on...). The experimentation throughout really benefits. It feels very fresh and new. A very good sign for upcoming albums. I can't really say much more about that song because I feel you must appreciate this by hearing it for themselves and catching things that they feel were superior. Well one last thing...that ending. Wow. It feels like Disneyland! Seriously, it's such a perfect ending for the album. Wait, it's not the album closer?
9.8/10
Beneath the Surface
3 words, The Silent Man. If you like that song, you like this song. Easy as that. It is a very nice song to cool down the energy of the album with. I do enjoy this song. I already stated my favorite ballad was Far From Heaven but I don't count this one out of the running. It's a good song to listen in the car while you are riding through country. When JLB sings his last chorus, there's so much emotion and power that it made my eyes open wide the first time hearing it.
8.25/10
Track order for me:
Breaking all Illusions
Far from Heaven
Bridges in the Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
Beneath the Surface
Outcry
On The Backs of Angels
This is the Life
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Overall rating : 7.355/10
A perfect album? Not exactly. A damn good album? Absolutely. The whole album feels fresh and inspired. I really like it. Am I being too harsh on ratings? Maybe. My ratings may change within the next few weeks or months after more listens.
I'd rank this as my 4th favorite DT album. It may grow on me more. I hope it does. I want it to be a top 3 or even 2 album but I doubt it.
If you got this far, CONGRATS! It's a long a read. And it's probably not too often you look at a new poster's opinion and take it into consideration.
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Anyone else think the guitars are too loud in the mix? I felt sometimes like they were overpowering everything else and were just too much, especially on the really heavy parts in songs like Lost Not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky.
Little bit. I got used to it pretty easily as I went through it, but when BMU,BMD first started, I definitely had this impression.
I think in the next album the guitars will be quiter and drums will be louder if for no other reason than all our bitching! These guys do pay attention.
I don't know. For me, I didn't feel there was anything wrong with the drums on this album. Granted, I only had one listen. And it's also worth noting that I've never been one to really listen specifically to the drumming, so maybe it just doesn't stand out to me as such a problem because I'm not listening that hard for it.
But as far as I could tell, while Mangini's playing wasn't exactly on top of the mix, it supported the songs very, very well.
My track by track review. Read if you wish. If not, just skip right over it. Although, it isn't that fanboyish. Maybe a bit...
Just thought I'd let you know that at least one person read the whole review and thought it was quite well spoken.
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The drums sound very Portnoy-ish, if that means anything to you. A relief to some, disappointment for others, you can't please everyone.
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Bridges has DT's heaviest riff. Yes, even heavier than the TDEN riff.
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yea bro
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Anyone else catch that strong In the Presence of Enemies reference during the instrumental in Breaking All Illusions? That really surprised me, shocked to see no one else mention it yet.
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Anyone else think the guitars are too loud in the mix? I felt sometimes like they were overpowering everything else and were just too much, especially on the really heavy parts in songs like Lost Not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky.
Little bit. I got used to it pretty easily as I went through it, but when BMU,BMD first started, I definitely had this impression.
I think in the next album the guitars will be quiter and drums will be louder if for no other reason than all our bitching! These guys do pay attention.
I don't know. For me, I didn't feel there was anything wrong with the drums on this album. Granted, I only had one listen. And it's also worth noting that I've never been one to really listen specifically to the drumming, so maybe it just doesn't stand out to me as such a problem because I'm not listening that hard for it.
But as far as I could tell, while Mangini's playing wasn't exactly on top of the mix, it supported the songs very, very well.
I'll say this, when I play it on my really good home sound system, the drums sound great, but on anything else they sound weak, In fact on my good system everything sounds mixed well, but most people are listening on car stereos and computers nowdays..... I don't know. You'll definitely want a good system to get everything out of this disk. sounds VERY different.
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on my headphones:
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the drums sound great.
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The drums sound very Portnoy-ish, if that means anything to you. A relief to some, disappointment for others, you can't please everyone.
If it's splitting the opinions down the middle, then they played it perfectly.
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on my headphones:
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the drums sound great.
Wish I could do the headphones but I'm 100% deaf in my right ear between 3-4KHZ. So I need the channel blending from speakers. Probably the years of drumming that did me in.
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Why not? LNF is pretty damn awesome.
LNF is quite possibly my favourite. :tup
Absolutely amazing song! My current favorite.
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Oooh man.
Outcry is my absolute favourite.
Followed closely by Breaking All Illusions and then Bridges in the Sky.
I love the start of Lost Not Forgotten and I actually think This is the Life is a pretty awesome ballad.
Overall, my second favourite album.
I still prefer Images and Words, but I really do think this is their 2nd best album.
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The chorus for Outcry kicks all kinds of asses.
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Lost not Forgotten 1:54-2:34 is one of the most atrocious pieces of crap
I actually loved that part, but I can see why lots would hate it.
Actually probably my 2nd favourite part of that song, after the part that comes right after it (the heavy riff).
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Anyone else think the guitars are too loud in the mix? I felt sometimes like they were overpowering everything else and were just too much, especially on the really heavy parts in songs like Lost Not Forgotten and Bridges in the Sky.
Little bit. I got used to it pretty easily as I went through it, but when BMU,BMD first started, I definitely had this impression.
I think in the next album the guitars will be quiter and drums will be louder if for no other reason than all our bitching! These guys do pay attention.
I don't know. For me, I didn't feel there was anything wrong with the drums on this album. Granted, I only had one listen. And it's also worth noting that I've never been one to really listen specifically to the drumming, so maybe it just doesn't stand out to me as such a problem because I'm not listening that hard for it.
But as far as I could tell, while Mangini's playing wasn't exactly on top of the mix, it supported the songs very, very well.
I'll say this, when I play it on my really good home sound system, the drums sound great, but on anything else they sound weak, In fact on my good system everything sounds mixed well, but most people are listening on car stereos and computers nowdays..... I don't know. You'll definitely want a good system to get everything out of this disk. sounds VERY different.
I definately cant wait for my box set to come in with the vinyl.
My financial situation really took a turn for the better and I will be able to pick up my turntable in a couple weeks, so I'll be in audio bliss with the vinyl :).
But I thought this was probably one of DT's best mixed albums in a long time. Nothing seemed too loud or too quiet, and although some may say the drums did seem too quiet, on multiple listens (im on my 4th now) the drums can actually be pretty well distinguished with good audio equipment.
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The gong at the end of Outcry sounds like a real gong, not the thrash can MP used during Score (6DOIT).
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There are good parts in this album. They need a producer who is not in the band. A lot of wasted opportunities, most notable: Beneath The Surface. I mean, this could be their biggest hit in their whole career and they blew it because they couldn't come up with a climatic part.
That song has beautiful guitars and the JR arrangements are lovely (that moog solo is mind-blowing), the main melody is spectacular... but this song lacks a memorable punch. Wasted opportunity. The beautiful build-up "I would scream just to be heard. As if yelling at the stars... I was pleading just to feel. You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark, always something to conceal" resolves in nothing. I got this same sensation with ITPOE pt. 2. :( So frustrating. There's no climax.
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The high-pitched JLB vocal line at the end sounds very climatic to me.
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The high-pitched JLB vocal line at the end sounds very climatic to me.
Seriously, this so much. I can't understand saying this song has no climax!
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The ending to Bridges in the Sky is the most badass and heavy ending DT's ever done. Blows TDEN out of the water.
Right behind the ending of The Mirror, I agree with this.
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Also, it's funny to my ears how lots of this stuff manages to have a strong reminiscence of classic DT sounds, while sounding "modern".
Some of these songs sound much more modern than anything Portnoy said he was making in DT.
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The high-pitched JLB vocal line at the end sounds very climatic to me.
I like the high-pitch part... but that song lacks a more memorable part, you know, the part that hooks millions of listeners and makes it a hit.
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One thing that I am wondering about is why they didnt put BITS in as the heavy opener like The Glass Prison that could have put the album immediately on pace right at the start. IMO OTBOA and BMUBMD kind of dragged on a little bit. But man I don't quite remember a DT album end on what I think is such a good string of five songs since Awake.
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One thing that I am wondering about is why they didnt put BITS in as the heavy opener like The Glass Prison that could have put the album immediately on pace right at the start. IMO OTBOA and BMUBMD kind of dragged on a little bit. But man I don't quite remember a DT album end on what I think is such a good string of five songs since Awake.
Because they didn't want a repeat of SFAM with fans going, "What the hell is this?!"
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JLB's vocals at the end of BTS are cringeworthy.
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In this I explain both my first listening experiences and later listening thoughts, to avoid confusion.
On the Backs of Angels
I already whored this one out haha, but nevertheless I began with this song. Much to my dismay my headphones were being awkward during this and I spent most of it's playing time taping the jack into the right place so it plays out of both ears. I succeeded!
Even now though I still feel this is an amazing song, although I don't see it as part of the album which I blame myself for, because I've listened to it that much that every time I go to listen to this album through, it begins from BMUBMD. But I'm sure if I had the perception I would agree it's an excellent album opener!
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Ok after hearing the nu-metal riff and electronic drums I was tempted to cringe, although I tried my best to take it in with open ears. There isn't much I like about this, I feel the lyrics are naff, the riff and meh the chorus is catchy I suppose. This lead to expecting disappointment on the next track...
As of now I feel this is the weakest song on the album, in fact one of the weakest songs they've ever released in my opinion. Sorry, not getting this one.
Lost Not Forgotten
Hearing the piano riff already brought my hopes back up, and with the guitar complimenting the melody and the almost circling sound of the keyboard over that, as well as Mangini's AMAZING drums in this...I was literally smiling my face off. My cheeks were overlapping my eyes and I actually wanted to cry out of a statement of "Oh god yes, this is Dream Theater". Even the dissonant melodies that everyone seems to be hating on I loved, but I'm a fan of dissonance, especially in Dream Theater's music. And the chorus is one of the best I've ever heard man, bursts from nowhere and is so energetic. The solo section is awesome, especially the keyboard. It sounds so gliding and natural. Definitely my favourite/tied favourite on the album.
This is the Life
As a first listen there were not many surprises as most of the riffs are/orientate around those in the snippet, but I feel that this is a beautiful song. I love the atmosphere.
Bridges in the Sky
I found this song so amazing, and I usually lean away from Dream Theater's metal songs. But this, man it kicks ass. I love the melody lines in "Dance of fire, take me higher" and the chorus, which is so complimented with the 7 string power chords. I haven't got much to say for this from the top of my head, but it's stunning. I love it to pieces.
Outcry
Now this is a song I was anticipating as BitS ended but I never caught onto it, and am still searching to do so...only gave it a couple of intent listens so I won't say anything on this as of now.
Far From Heaven
This almost had me in tears. Absolutely beautiful, I love the melodies of both the vocals and piano at "...change who I am". It's so uplifting in an otherwise minor song, and that had my eyes quivering, and even more so with LaBrie's vibrato techniques later after.
Breaking All Illusions
First listen I actually thought this was terrible, and some parts sounded unfitting together. I took a second listen and realised I must've been on crack because I couldn't see what I previously had. Everything seemed to fit like a jigsaw, and again I had a few eye quivering moments hear, especially the "Live in the moment" section. So full of emotion. A progressive masterpiece I would call this.
Beneath the Surface
I thought this definitely did it's job of cooling down the album as I listened to it, and then near the end of the album when James belts out the chorus with oure emotion and power, I shed the first tear (literally, not quiverring) ever to a Dream Theater song. So unexepcted yet beautiful, caught me off guard.
After listening to this album I sat in awe and silence. This is amazing.
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...dunno if someone has heard the "The Shattered Fortress" section in BITS... cool reference on MP, I think ;D
What time?
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JLB's vocals at the end of BTS are cringeworthy.
I don't like you anymore, Mr. Bacong.
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JLB's vocals at the end of BTS are cringeworthy.
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Ya first listen I thought it sounded very weird and very strange.
But by the 3rd listen, I was getting how most of the songs were meant to be heard and it makes the album so much better.
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I buckled and listened to the stream.
I always approach all music with an open mind and this was no different. I devoted my full attention to it being cautiously optimistic...
I was completely and utterly moved emotionally, musically and spiritually by it. Every song was amazing in it's own way.
When James jumps the octave at the end of Beneath the Surface, I will fully admit, I broke down into tears. Just amazing.
But this is only one listen. Not enough to be fully critical. But so far....Wow.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
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on a first listen basis, the only songs that weren't clicking too much were BMUBMD and Outcry. A lot of fucking amazing moments that I can't really recall. I really loved the ballads, and it's good that they put three of them on this record
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I don't know if I like the background vocals for BMUBMD during the chorus. Kinda screetchy.
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JLB's vocals at the end of BTS are cringeworthy.
I don't like you anymore, Mr. Bacong.
sorry bro(s), it just doesn't sound right.
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Hmm. I disagree, I think the vocals are :hefdaddy - worthy.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
LOL
Im not a drummer myself, and cant even begin to fathom what you have said, but I absolutely love when people get as excited as you have.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
I've said the EXACT same thing in at least 5 different threads now + I am a drummer so we're definitely on the same wavelength here.
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Rating: 6.5/10. Position: my 9th favorite DT album above FII and Awake.
I don't think anyone should take a post of yours without a grain of salt....lime and some tequila. I read the first line :eek, saw poster :\.
This album is really starting to age like wine with me. I loved it at first, sweet and very easy to dive into. The more I listen to it, the taste grows more complex and the aroma is refreshing. The one song I am COMPLETELY surprised that I keep going to is Bridges in The Sky. I thought I was going to have a big "meh" after hearing the snippet. From start to finish I feel like I am going into the Shaman's Trance.
A poster said BMUBMD sounds like JLB solo material. I agree with that, but I also love JLB solo material. If Coming Home were on this album, I'd absolutely shit my pants.
I always try to visit the songs that I DON'T like at first listen the most. When I purchased Falling Into Infinity, it was a huge let down for me. I think I spun it twice before I set it down for over a year. I came back to it and realized just how great of an album it was (I like You Not Me, for the record). The songs on this album that I didn't really find appealing at first are starting to grow on me. Outcry and Far From Heaven. While FFH is absolutely beautiful, it just takes some time to grow. Outcry is a great song, but not being the seasoned musician like many Dream Theater fans, the technical parts need to sit a bit for me to digest them.
One awesome aspect of this album is that the noodling parts felt completely within context. I never had that TDEN instrumental section moment where it felt like a different song. The instrumental sections of all the songs really still sound like the songs. Outcry's instrumental part still sounds like an outcry. Bridges' instrumental still makes me feel like I am in a trance.
Overall, I still can't rate this album. Like a good joke, part of rating it is it's lasting power. I will have to come back in a couple weeks or so.
Edit: I think Outcry's biggest problem for me is that it is right after Bridges, which was such a great song.
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Shoot! The album is not available anymore...says something about server trouble and won't be ready until Monday I think >:(
Hopefully it will be fixed!
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Rating: 6.5/10. Position: my 9th favorite DT album above FII and Awake.
I don't think anyone should take a post of yours without a grain of salt....lime and some tequila. I read the first line :eek, saw poster :\.
This album is really starting to age like wine with me. I loved it at first, sweet and very easy to dive into. The more I listen to it, the taste grows more complex and the aroma is refreshing. The one song I am COMPLETELY surprised that I keep going to is Bridges in The Sky. I thought I was going to have a big "meh" after hearing the snippet. From start to finish I feel like I am going into the Shaman's Trance.
A poster said BMUBMD sounds like JLB solo material. I agree with that, but I also love JLB solo material. If Coming Home were on this album, I'd absolutely shit my pants.
I always try to visit the songs that I DON'T like at first listen the most. When I purchased Falling Into Infinity, it was a huge let down for me. I think I spun it twice before I set it down for over a year. I came back to it and realized just how great of an album it was (I like You Not Me, for the record). The songs on this album that I didn't really find appealing at first are starting to grow on me. Outcry and Far From Heaven. While FFH is absolutely beautiful, it just takes some time to grow. Outcry is a great song, but not being the seasoned musician like many Dream Theater fans, the technical parts need to sit a bit for me to digest them.
One awesome aspect of this album is that the noodling parts felt completely within context. I never had that TDEN instrumental section moment where it felt like a different song. The instrumental sections of all the songs really still sound like the songs. Outcry's instrumental part still sounds like an outcry. Bridges' instrumental still makes me feel like I am in a trance.
Overall, I still can't rate this album. Like a good joke, part of rating it is it's lasting power. I will have to come back in a couple weeks or so.
Edit: I think Outcry's biggest problem for me is that it is right after Bridges, which was such a great song.
I'd easily give this album a 9.5/10 based on the fact that its easy on the ears. I can turn the volume loud and not get any shrill sounds like I would on albums like FIF or ToT.
Its mixed perfectly IMO, and there are a ton of complex/catchy riffs in every song.
Its not perfect, but its one of DT's better albums.
And I think JLB sounds amazing on this album. Everybody does really.
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Shoot! The album is not available anymore...says something about server trouble and won't be ready until Monday I think >:(
Hopefully it will be fixed!
Still working for me...
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I really don't see the similarities people are pointing to between LNF and UAGM.
Except for the fact that the intro is similar because of those long sustained notes and ostinato drum beat.
And I don't see the similarities between BAI and LTL.
Except that the part where the vocals first start is similar-ish. LTL is better in almost every way aside from that, and I don't expect any new songs they make, no matter how amazing, to beat that one. :P
But people are saying on the 'other' forum that the solo is "exactly" the same. How is it the same? Do these people not understand how... music works? It doesn't even use the same scales, this one is mostly in harmonic minor or some sort of eastern mode. "Noodly fast solo" is not a complete description of a solo.
Overall, as I said before, this is the first album since Octavarium that I've been able to take seriously, and that includes the BITS overtone singing intro. I even like BMUBMD, it has an interesting Awake feel to it, although to be completely honest I wish there weren't any screamed vocals in the background.
I also don't get the hate for the synth solo sound on BTS. It's a classic Minimoog lead sound. Not everything has to be a distorted LTE Rudess monster-lead. Remember your roots people. It's pretty much the Minimoog sound from Lucky Man by ELP, sans the nice panning.
My ranking:
LNF
BITS
BAI
Outcry
BMUBMD
OTBOA
BTS
TITL (hehe, TIT-l)
FFH
Don't get me wrong I like the ones I rated at the bottom but...
LAWST NOT FORGOTTEN, LIVING AMONG THE GAWDS!! :metal
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Just want to say:
From This is the Life: 3:20-3:42
Absolutely rocks.
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I really don't see the similarities people are pointing to between LNF and UAGM.
Except for the fact that the intro is similar because of those long sustained notes and ostinato drum beat.
And I don't see the similarities between BAI and LTL.
Except that the part where the vocals first start is similar-ish. LTL is better in almost every way aside from that, and I don't expect any new songs they make, no matter how amazing, to beat that one. :P
But people are saying on the 'other' forum that the solo is "exactly" the same. How is it the same? Do these people not understand how... music works? It doesn't even use the same scales, this one is mostly in harmonic minor or some sort of eastern mode. "Noodly fast solo" is not a complete description of a solo.
Overall, as I said before, this is the first album since Octavarium that I've been able to take seriously, and that includes the BITS overtone singing intro. I even like BMUBMD, it has an interesting Awake feel to it, although to be completely honest I wish there weren't any screamed vocals in the background.
My ranking:
LNF
BITS
BAI
Outcry
BMUBMD
OTBOA
BTS
TITL (hehe, TIT-l)
FFH
Don't get me wrong I like the ones I rated at the bottom but...
LAWST NOT FORGOTTEN, LIVING AMONG THE GAWDS!! :metal
As much as I love BAI, and this album, nothing will ever beat LTL as my favourite DT song ever. Nothing.
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These ratings are compared to other DT songs. Like LTL, ACOS, and Metropolis being 10's and You not me being a 2. I don't think i've given anything a 1. I actually like You not Me but compared to other songs it's no where even close, hence the rating.
OTBOA: 8
Very good song, like everything about it. Not much more to say.
BMUBMD: 7.5
Great radio song and it has some real single potential. I LOVE the bridge right before the solo.
LBNF: 8
One of the sickest instrumental sections ever by DT and a really kick ass song to go with it.
TITL: 8
Fantastic ballad with great lyrics.
BITS: 8
Great chorus, great versus and the epic... Shaman take my haaaaaaaaaaaaaand!
Outcry: 8.5
Sickest instrumental section by DT ever and some great all around song writing in this one, besides the instrumental section.
FFH: 7.5
Very good ballad.
BAI: 9.5
Top 10 DT song material possibly.
BTS: 9
Best DT ballad ever? Possibly, next month i'll know for sure. :hefdaddy
Also this may change later but for now my DT album rankings are...
Images and Words
Awake
A Dramatic turn of events
Scenes From A Memory
Octavarium
Six Degrees
FII
Black Clouds
Train of Thought
Systematic Chaos
WDADU
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My track by track review. Read if you wish. If not, just skip right over it. Although, it isn't that fanboyish. Maybe a bit...
On the Backs of Angels
After another listen from a month drought, it still hits me the same way. I think it's a very strong song. Yes, the structure is reeking of PMU but isn't that the song that got them under the music radar? It's not such a bad song to model another after. It has a memorable chorus and a perfectly fit solo section. It introduces the album very well. Everyone has already had their opinions on this song so I will continue.
7.5/10
Build Me Up, Break Me Up
This one is a little more difficult to give a review on. Although the chorus is one of the catchiest I have heard by the band, the rest of the song feels very bland to me. Boring lead riff, simple verses, weak instrumental section. Now, I don't hate the song. But I feel it's one if not the weakest on the album. The use of the electronic drums was fairly interesting though and I do enjoy that it leads into Lost not Forgotten.
6/10
Lost Not Forgotten
This is probably one of my favorites on the album. Unlike a lot of the post I have read, I feel the chorus is driving. It's memorable enough for me to be able to hum it in the car. The intro is very strong. VERY strong. It feels like the opening to a movie. Yes, it is very UAGM-ish. Maybe that piano was put in in after the fact to offset the intro but regardless, it's a beautiful piano part. That diminished "tickle" section is absolutely awesome. It just doesn't end! MM really compliments the music here. This is one of his strong points on the album. Very tasteful fills. Although it doesn feel a little MP influenced. Not a bad thing whatsoever. The second verse is a really nice mood change. It's more melodic and I think it's a perfect fit. JLB is really shining on this song. His voice is gritty but not "growling". It's powerful and he has an amzing tone. The instrumental section or should I really say "solo section", is a perfect match. JP's solo is probably my favorite on the album. It feels so fresh. JR's solo isn't too wanky but he still puts some technicality into it. Feels more Kevin Moore-ish. A perfect ending to close it up.
8.5/10
This is the Life
I enjoy this track to a point. Gives me an Another Day vibe. That being said, it feels a bit more dragged out than AD. It's a little forgettable but the main progression is uplifting and gives you an overall good feeling. JLB once again is doing great here. It's much more calm and graceful. JP's solo is really good on this track as well. I don't feel like it's a "Spirit Carries On" or "Razor's Edge" no matter how much it wants to be. A good solo nonetheless. The ending is the strong part of this song. It builds very nicely and it's a typical DT big ending.
7/10
Bridges in the Sky
Oh man. That intro is so weird. I love it. It would be a great song to open a show with. Once the intro fades out and the band comes in, it just dumps the awesomeness right on you. I love it. It's very heavy but not like the heaviness of the past 3 albums. It's a very tasteful heaviness. I had doubts when I heard the snippet to this song. It sounded bland and uninspired. Wrong. The pre-chorus is so heavy and the melody that attaches to it is no exception. It melodic yet not a typical melody. It's really fresh. That chorus. Seriously, it's as DT as you can get. It's soaring! One of my favorite choruses to date. JLB sounds amazing once again on this track. So far, he has yet to disappoint me. The instrumental section sounds a bit like the past albums but it doesn't feel forced. It fits very nicely in there. It's not too long, not too short. Just right. It transitions right into the last chorus perfectly. Once again, a soaring chorus that ends on an unexpected not but that just makes it that much better. It ends dark that suits the songs a little better. One last Shaman call to end it.
9/10
Outcry
I'll be perfectly honest. This one really caught me off guard. I thought the whole song was going to have a TDoE feel. Wrong. It's starts with a soft intro that leads into a huge riff that offers a sneak peek to the chorus. It's a bit cliche but nice nonetheless. After the big intro, it slips a bit for me. I don't find myself tapping my foot or singing along. It starts to pick up a bit after the first verse. Then it drops again. A very weird flow. During this drop, it builds nicely into the chorus. The chorus is pretty nice in this song. Then it goes back into another verse. At least, this verse is a bit more driving than the first. The flow is still intact. Instrumental section. This is the strong point of the song (well it is most of it...). It's very inspired and it doesn't feel like a typical DT instrumental section. They don't rely on a singly riff or motif during this part. It's very inspired. Very LTE to me. Every instrument shines here and there's no plain "solo" for any instrument. Well, JM has his own little bass and drum part a few time in it but I don't count it as a solo. It ends right back into a fairly tasteful groove with piano bass and drums. I actually really dig this part. Once the vocals come in with the guitar, it's very nice. This is one my more favorable parts of the song. Then the chorus once more. Ending comes in with chants which ends on a very weird note. There's no resolve. Probably to show there will never be any resolution with a revolution.
8/10
Far From Heaven
My favorite ballad on the album. It's beautiful. This is where JLB really shines. The piano, the strings, everything about this song is just so beautiful. I can't get enough of it. I really have no complaints on this song. Even the part that is present in BAI fits perfectly with the whole feel. Did I mention that JLB sounds amazing on this one? JR does a spectacular job on here too. Strictly piano and it sounds amazing. I'm not sure what else to say about it other than it's too short!
9.5/10
Breaking All Illusions
I'm jumping on the bandwagon and saying that this is my favorite track on the album. From start to finish, it's a very strong song. There are no low points on this song. Maybe cutting the jazzy part in the middle down a litt....no, it works too well. Very old school DT. Everyone knew just from the snippet that it would be but now after hearing it all the way through, it exceeds my prior expectations. I love all the different mood changes it goes through. JM shines on this song on both a lyrical and bass stand point (yes, I know it's the only one he wrote lyrics on...). The experimentation throughout really benefits. It feels very fresh and new. A very good sign for upcoming albums. I can't really say much more about that song because I feel you must appreciate this by hearing it for themselves and catching things that they feel were superior. Well one last thing...that ending. Wow. It feels like Disneyland! Seriously, it's such a perfect ending for the album. Wait, it's not the album closer?
9.8/10
Beneath the Surface
3 words, The Silent Man. If you like that song, you like this song. Easy as that. It is a very nice song to cool down the energy of the album with. I do enjoy this song. I already stated my favorite ballad was Far From Heaven but I don't count this one out of the running. It's a good song to listen in the car while you are riding through country. When JLB sings his last chorus, there's so much emotion and power that it made my eyes open wide the first time hearing it.
8.25/10
Track order for me:
Breaking all Illusions
Far from Heaven
Bridges in the Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
Beneath the Surface
Outcry
On The Backs of Angels
This is the Life
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Overall rating : 7.355/10
A perfect album? Not exactly. A damn good album? Absolutely. The whole album feels fresh and inspired. I really like it. Am I being too harsh on ratings? Maybe. My ratings may change within the next few weeks or months after more listens.
I'd rank this as my 4th favorite DT album. It may grow on me more. I hope it does. I want it to be a top 3 or even 2 album but I doubt it.
If you got this far, CONGRATS! It's a long a read. And it's probably not too often you look at a new poster's opinion and take it into consideration.
GREAT POST! :hefdaddy
I agree with most, disagree with some, but all in all VERY INSIGHTFUL.
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Have only listened a couple of times but this album is kicking my ass right now.
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My inner fanboy tells me that this is the best album they've made in a while.
I dunno. I remember when Black Clouds was released, I went apeshit over The Count Of Tuscany, loved the Beautiful Agony section of Nightmare, enjoyed much of TBOT, liked Wither, and sort of tolerated AROP. The Shattered Fortress was a cool arrangement of a lot of stuff I'd already heard, so I never really knew how to rate it. As time went on, I got more and more annoyed by various sections, and at the moment, I really still only care for the Count and Wither.
But this thread isn't about that album.
A Dramatic Turn of Events has some truly excellent tracks. Bridges In The Sky and Breaking All Illusions are already on par (for me) with such classics as Blind Faith, Lines In The Sand, Home, etc. They are fantastically arranged, and so seamlessly composed that it's hard to believe that they haven't released songs this good in awhile. I look back at earlier 2000s songs like Sacrificed Sons, Ministry, Endless Sacrifice, Nightmare, and there's a sense of fluidity that's simply missing. In Bridges In The Sky, though..... Jesus Christ. This thing is such a unified, cohesive monster of a song. Probably the best singular example of what I mean is the buildup of the "Shaman take my hand" part, which segues flawlessly into the (amazing!) instrumental. It's spectacular.
Others have already touched on the other songs here, and most of these songs are quite good. All three ballads are among the best they've ever done, and actually show some surprisingly intricate songwriting at work. Outcry is still growing on me, but I like it more every time I hear it. My biggest concern, really, is the suspiciously close adherence to song structures found in Images and Words. It's certainly not a deal breaker, but it does make me a little uncomfortable rating ADTOE too terribly high at this point in time. And unfortunately, it also means that I'll be looking for this trait on future releases.
The Count Of Tuscany is on par with the best songs on this new release, as is In The Presence Of Enemies Pt. 1, but what I think is missing from those earlier 2000s albums is consistency. There were a handful of awesome ideas, but stretched over too little development. With ADTOE, I feel comfortable in saying that's not really a problem. Again, there aren't really any duds, though I do wonder how an outside producer would affect their 12th album.
At any rate, I'm really liking this so far. I suppose that's the best compliment anyone can give to an album at this point in time. Nicely done.
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UGGGG. I cannot believe this: My sis and her friend are having a sleepover and the only laptop I can listen to the DT songs on (this one has horrid sound quality) is in use to watc H20. Yes, H20, the crappiest , most cliche series TV has ever put out is blocking up my DT time and it's killing me. Her friend is staying an extra night, too, as a nice extra surprise in there. Jesus Christ :facepalm:
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JLB in the 1st verse in LNF sounds a little like Dave Mustaine.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down, to me, is the new You Not Me but worse.
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wow
that's probably the post I've disagreed with the most so far in this entire thread
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My goodness, the Outcry instrumental section is big mindfuck, in a good way. Liking it way more as a whole in this second listen than the first by a ton
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My inner fanboy tells me that this is the best album they've made in a while.
I dunno. I remember when Black Clouds was released, I went apeshit over The Count Of Tuscany, loved the Beautiful Agony section of Nightmare, enjoyed much of TBOT, liked Wither, and sort of tolerated AROP. The Shattered Fortress was a cool arrangement of a lot of stuff I'd already heard, so I never really knew how to rate it. As time went on, I got more and more annoyed by various sections, and at the moment, I really still only care for the Count and Wither.
But this thread isn't about that album.
A Dramatic Turn of Events has some truly excellent tracks. Bridges In The Sky and Breaking All Illusions are already on par (for me) with such classics as Blind Faith, Lines In The Sand, Home, etc. They are fantastically arranged, and so seamlessly composed that it's hard to believe that they haven't released songs this good in awhile. I look back at earlier 2000s songs like Sacrificed Sons, Ministry, Endless Sacrifice, Nightmare, and there's a sense of fluidity that's simply missing. In Bridges In The Sky, though..... Jesus Christ. This thing is such a unified, cohesive monster of a song. Probably the best singular example of what I mean is the buildup of the "Shaman take my hand" part, which segues flawlessly into the (amazing!) instrumental. It's spectacular.
Others have already touched on the other songs here, and most of these songs are quite good. All three ballads are among the best they've ever done, and actually show some surprisingly intricate songwriting at work. Outcry is still growing on me, but I like it more every time I hear it. My biggest concern, really, is the suspiciously close adherence to song structures found in Images and Words. It's certainly not a deal breaker, but it does make me a little uncomfortable rating ADTOE too terribly high at this point in time. And unfortunately, it also means that I'll be looking for this trait on future releases.
The Count Of Tuscany is on par with the best songs on this new release, as is In The Presence Of Enemies Pt. 1, but what I think is missing from those earlier 2000s albums is consistency. There were a handful of awesome ideas, but stretched over too little development. With ADTOE, I feel comfortable in saying that's not really a problem. Again, there aren't really any duds, though I do wonder how an outside producer would affect their 12th album.
At any rate, I'm really liking this so far. I suppose that's the best compliment anyone can give to an album at this point in time. Nicely done.
The thing is I tend to circulate between different DT albums. Sometimes I'll listen to Images and Words, sometimes i'll put SDOIT on, sometimes I am into something heavier like ToT.
I can see ADTOE being an album that I can put on and fully appreciate much like I do Images and Words or Awake. It really is that good (im now on my 5th listen).
I really have listened to SC in years (probably only ever listened to it twice, I think its one of their absolute worst albums ever created) and I have listened to FIF a few times in the last few months but its definately down in the bottom as well.
I occasionally listen to TCOT, and sometimes ANTR, but theres really nothing else on BC&SL that really appeals to me.
for ADTOE, every song stands out on its own IMO. I am loving the entire album.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Up, to me, is the new You Not Me but worse.
Blasphemy!
Plus you got the title wrong.
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wow
that's probably the post I've disagreed with the most so far in this entire thread
Dude, by a long margin BMU,BMD is the worst song in this new album; it shouldn't have been included. That song doesn't make any sense, how can it be enjoyable? You Not Me at least is catchy.
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Break Me Up.
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Well, after listening to it 3 times its grown on me. At first listen I was a little disappointed and I think that was because I was so ramped up and excited to listen to it and the range of music was imformation overload. 2nd listen and a slow smile on my face was prepping me to see the light. After the 3rd listen I have a smile the size of the Jack Nicholson joker :biggrin: Definitely listen to this with headphones. great sound. Going in for another listen!! :tup
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wow
that's probably the post I've disagreed with the most so far in this entire thread
Dude, by a long margin BMU,BMD is the worst song in this new album; it shouldn't have been included. That song doesn't make any sense, how can it be enjoyable? You Not Me at least is catchy.
Listen to it at least 3 times and then tell me its worse than You Not Me, and I will show you a flying pig.
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wow
that's probably the post I've disagreed with the most so far in this entire thread
Dude, by a long margin BMU,BMD is the worst song in this new album; it shouldn't have been included. That song doesn't make any sense, how can it be enjoyable? You Not Me at least is catchy.
Listen to it at least 3 times and then tell me its worse than You Not Me, and I will show you a flying pig.
thank you
BMUBMD has some really cool vocal melodies, my favorite part being "the first to cast a stone," and the screaming in the chorus make it feel really powerful. The outro is amazing, and the song is good overall. Not one of the best of course, but it's very solid and still leagues above YNM.
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wow
that's probably the post I've disagreed with the most so far in this entire thread
Dude, by a long margin BMU,BMD is the worst song in this new album; it shouldn't have been included. That song doesn't make any sense, how can it be enjoyable? You Not Me at least is catchy.
Listen to it at least 3 times and then tell me its worse than You Not Me, and I will show you a flying pig.
thank you
BMUBMD has some really cool vocal melodies, my favorite part being "the first to cast a stone," and the screaming in the chorus make it feel really powerful. The outro is amazing, and the song is good overall. Not one of the best of course, but it's very solid and still leagues above YNM.
Oh its certainly one of my least favourite on the album, but I would put it way ahead of the majority of FIF (except maybe Hell's Kitchen) and definately above anything on SC.
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I love a few of the songs, but I have to listen to it more this weekend to really gage my like of it.
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Heard half the album before things streaming got slow. (Funnily, the internet stopped me right after the Belches in the Sky section. Thanks.)
Obviously, I didn't hear enough to make a formal review, but wow. They met and exceeded expectations, which for me were exceptionally high. DEFINITELY the best album since 6DOIT; we'll see after I buy it if it climbs a little higher in the rankings.
EDIT: I realize I'm saying this album is better than BC&SL, SC, 8V, and ToT even though I've only heard half. I mean it.
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To be honest, negating any comparison to prior albums and as a complete package ADTOE is a brilliant and awe inspiring album.
Yes, there are some weak moments on here but to be honest, they couldnt go back to their I&W sound in 2011 and Awake can get a bit stale as can SFAM after a while.
Now that i've had time to let the whole thing sink in, Outcry is far and above my favourite track on the album but the whole thing is really a massive step up from SC & BCSL although they are great albums.
MP had a point in that the band definitly needed a change but to have a hiatus and miss out on this album would have been a MASSIVE loss to the fans.
Listening to other Prog metal bands putting out very solid efforts in the past few years, i am proud to say that this album is a true highlight of the bands catalogue and would be proud to show this off.
Also, i think that as a total package, this is better and more solid than anything from SDOIT -> BC&SL.
And as far as not being a concept album, i think it is. Each song is a fragment of a complete theme which is represented perfectly through the album artwork, songs names, sound and concepts.
Also, the plane on the front cover i believe is a homage to the moment a plane is about to fall out of the sky and the memories and reflections that one would go through as the passengers are falling to certain doom.
10/10 from me!
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There are good parts in this album. They need a producer who is not in the band. A lot of wasted opportunities, most notable: Beneath The Surface. I mean, this could be their biggest hit in their whole career and they blew it because they couldn't come up with a climatic part.
That song has beautiful guitars and the JR arrangements are lovely (that moog solo is mind-blowing), the main melody is spectacular... but this song lacks a memorable punch. Wasted opportunity. The beautiful build-up "I would scream just to be heard. As if yelling at the stars... I was pleading just to feel. You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark, always something to conceal" resolves in nothing. I got this same sensation with ITPOE pt. 2. :( So frustrating. There's no climax.
I think you're more negative about the album as a whole than I am, and I don't think they need a producer, but I 83% agree with the bolded part. The climax in the song doesn't not work, but it's just sorta there. I really think it could've been so much bigger.
And, while I really, really like this album as a whole, the general lack of climaxes during the whole thing hurts its overall ability to be great. For me:
- LNF: After the end of the big keyboard solo, the instrumental section just kinda peters out. I really wish the tickle section was put there to give it more punch.
- BITS: The big "And at last the time has come" section repeats again at the end. Unlike booze, doing it multiple times does not increase the effect. To me it just feels like they took the recordings, copy/pasted them in Pro Tools, and said "alright, cool." I'm not at all trying to say they actually handled this toughtlessly. But to me personally it felt deflating.
- BAI: After one of the more epic instrumental sections DT's put together, they come out of it without a transition into the searching out part (which I already heard before), and Mangini plays the same drum part but with closed hihat 8th notes. It actually feels anti-epic to me.
- BTS: See above.
Now, this is pretty much the only negative thing I have to say about the album. There are certain things I do and don't like, but they don't really matter. To me, these things do. All four of the above songs could have been all-time great DT songs if they had finished well, but to me they don't have the final emotional hit.
So yeah, there's my "saying something negative" virginity being broken. And honestly I feel dirty. But I want to see what other people think of this.
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- BAI: After one of the more epic instrumental sections DT's put together, they come out of it without a transition into the searching out part (which I already heard before), and Mangini plays the same drum part but with closed hihat 16th notes. It actually feels anti-epic to me.
I felt the same way. Kinda. Sorta. I wouldn't say it felt 'anti-epic' to me, just that the reprise of the 'searching out' line came quite suddenly. It didn't feel like the instrumental section ever had a chance to properly end. I adored the song as a whole, but that specific part was... well, not exactly bad, but... different. Jarring, I guess. I recovered from it quite quickly, though, just because I love the 'searching out' line so much that I was happy to be hearing it again.
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I thought the exact same thing, Jaffa - like "whoa, hang on! Are we done with the instrumental? Ok, I guess so - OH GOD I LOVE THIS CHORUS JMX IS A GOD."
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I think it's perfect the way it is.
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3. Talking about ruining potentially good songs, Lost not Forgotten 1:54-2:34 is one of the most atrocious pieces of crap they have ever composed. I don't know who was the genius who put it right when you start thinking that the song would be great.
What? Who the hell are you? Seriously that genius might be JP if not, obviously was a DT member that you are calling "genius" with sarcasm. Pieces of crap??? What???? Ughhh what a silly comment.
Well, going back to topic, does somebody else feels LNF as UAGM?
This album is simple awesome top to bottom, IMO.
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Gave the album another listen, and TITL is starting to click with me. Still can't get into LNF though.
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The 9.99$ cd shouldn't be available because this album contains gold.
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My 2nd favorite DT album after several listens
Beneath The Surface
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges In The Sky
This Is The Life
Far From Heaven
Lost Not Forgotten
Outcry
On The Backs Of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
All songs are amazing.
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I picked a bad day not to visit the forum until very late ;D
Even this early on, I'm feeling that this could be my third favourite DT album behind I&W and TOT. Those 2 are near flawless, but behind those 2 albums I have 8V, Scenes and Awake. With 8V, the high points are incredible (title track, Sacrificed Sons, TROAE, Panic Attack), but the rest of the album isn't that special. With Scenes and Awake, the consistency is really high, no really weak parts - but there aren't enough really awesome parts.
With ADTOE, while it was never likely to reach the top tier along with I&W and TOT, it combines the strengths of those other 3 albums very well - the incredible highs and the consistency.
ATDOE Rankings:
1. Breaking All Illusions - so, so awesome. Was my most anticipated track and it didn't fail to live up to my expectations. At first it was in a small battle for the number 1 spot, but now I realise that I love every minute of it. Possibly a top 5 DT song eventually.
2. Bridges in the Sky - This has my favourite moment on the entire album. From the very first time I heard the build up to it and the instrumental part after it, I was in love. I am of course talking about: SHAAAAA-MAAAAAN TAAAAAKE MYYYY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND :D
3. On the Backs of Angels - I think this one might get overlooked a little because of it's release separately, but it's still a fantastic song. Even though I listened to it dozens and dozens of times before the rest of album, I still haven't skipped it or anything. Only thing I would prefer would be a little change in the vocal melodies of the last couple of lines.
Gets a little trickier with the next 4 songs and will probably take a good few more listens to the album before I have a settled ranking here.
4. Outcry - I didn't really get this song at first. The instrumental section felt a bit weird. But it's definitely a grower, each new listen seems to improve it.
5. Lost Not Forgotten - Not got too much to say about this song for some reason, other than I think it's cool ;D I can sort of see the certain comparisons with UAGM that have been mentioned, but I think this is very good in its own right.
6. This is the Life - I love the epic feeling from the guitar and keys after the intro and before the outro. Really liking the vocals and lyrics too.
7. Beneath the Surface - Beautiful song. I am a bit of a sucker for an epic ending to an album, like Octavarium, but this is really cool too and makes for a nice change. I was a bit taken aback when James changed his style towards the end of the song, but it's great. Ranks quite low on my list because I do prefer the longer songs in general, but it really is lovely.
Last 2 tracks now. Not terrible, but don't live up to the rest of the album
8. Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Don't really have a problem with this song, but I can see why it's likely to be one of the lesser liked tracks. Some cool parts, but nothing special.
9. Far From Heaven - I've never been one for the shorter, ballad-type songs so I wasn't expecting much from this. TBH, it didn't really do anything for me initially, but I'm starting to enjoy it a bit more now. It'll probably always be my least favourite song from the album, but it's a nice change of pace before BAI.
A few general things I really like about this album - the lyrics, vocals and vocal melodies are much improved over the last 2 albums - James sounds fantastic. Keys are really great - loving the piano, strings, choir sounds along with most of the other sounds. Makes for great atmosphere. Still digesting JPs solos, but there is some cracking stuff eg. BAI solo. Glad Myung is a bit more prominent again and Mangini's subtle but cohesive drumming really works well. I'm also pleasantly surprised by 2 of the short songs. I'm just a long-song whore in general and I was expecting 3 songs on the album I didn't really like when I heard there were 3 ballads, but Beneath the Surface and This is the Life are quality.
So overall, I'm very pleased with how the album turned out. Much more balanced and playing to the band members strengths, which wasn't always the case recently. Almost exactly a year ago I was very worried about the future of the band, but they've really come up with something special here I think.
Apologies for the essay :blush
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I picked a bad day not to visit the forum until very late ;D
Even this early on, I'm feeling that this could be my third favourite DT album behind I&W and TOT. Those 2 are near flawless, but behind those 2 albums I have 8V, Scenes and Awake. With 8V, the high points are incredible (title track, Sacrificed Sons, TROAE, Panic Attack), but the rest of the album isn't that special. With Scenes and Awake, the consistency is really high, no really weak parts - but there aren't enough really awesome parts.
With ADTOE, while it was never likely to reach the top tier along with I&W and TOT, it combines the strengths of those other 3 albums very well - the incredible highs and the consistency.
ATDOE Rankings:
1. Beneath the Surface - so, so awesome. Was my most anticipated track and it didn't fail to live up to my expectations. At first it was in a small battle for the number 1 spot, but now I realise that I love every minute of it. Possibly a top 5 DT song eventually.
2. Bridges in the Sky - This has my favourite moment on the entire album. From the very first time I heard the build up to it and the instrumental part after it, I was in love. I am of course talking about: SHAAAAA-MAAAAAN TAAAAAKE MYYYY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND :D
3. On the Backs of Angels - I think this one might get overlooked a little because of it's release separately, but it's still a fantastic song. Even though I listened to it dozens and dozens of times before the rest of album, I still haven't skipped it or anything. Only thing I would prefer would be a little change in the vocal melodies of the last couple of lines.
Gets a little trickier with the next 4 songs and will probably take a good few more listens to the album before I have a settled ranking here.
4. Outcry - I didn't really get this song at first. The instrumental section felt a bit weird. But it's definitely a grower, each new listen seems to improve it.
5. Lost Not Forgotten - Not got too much to say about this song for some reason, other than I think it's cool ;D I can sort of see the certain comparisons with UAGM that have been mentioned, but I think this is very good in its own right.
6. This is the Life - I love the epic feeling from the guitar and keys after the intro and before the outro. Really liking the vocals and lyrics too.
7. Beneath the Surface - Beautiful song. I am a bit of a sucker for an epic ending to an album, like Octavarium, but this is really cool too and makes for a nice change. I was a bit taken aback when James changed his style towards the end of the song, but it's great. Ranks quite low on my list because I do prefer the longer songs in general, but it really is lovely.
Last 2 tracks now. Not terrible, but don't live up to the rest of the album
8. Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Don't really have a problem with this song, but I can see why it's likely to be one of the lesser liked tracks. Some cool parts, but nothing special.
9. Far From Heaven - I've never been one for the shorter, ballad-type songs so I wasn't expecting much from this. TBH, it didn't really do anything for me initially, but I'm starting to enjoy it a bit more now. It'll probably always be my least favourite song from the album, but it's a nice change of pace before BAI.
A few general things I really like about this album - the lyrics, vocals and vocal melodies are much improved over the last 2 albums - James sounds fantastic. Keys are really great - loving the piano, strings, choir sounds along with most of the other sounds. Makes for great atmosphere. Still digesting JPs solos, but there is some cracking stuff eg. BAI solo. Glad Myung is a bit more prominent again and Mangini's subtle but cohesive drumming really works well. I'm also pleasantly surprised by 2 of the short songs. I'm just a long-song whore in general and I was expecting 3 songs on the album I didn't really like when I heard there were 3 ballads, but Beneath the Surface and This is the Life are quality.
So overall, I'm very pleased with how the album turned out. Much more balanced and playing to the band members strengths, which wasn't always the case recently. Almost exactly a year ago I was very worried about the future of the band, but they've really come up with something special here I think.
Apologies for the essay :blush
You put Beneath The Surface twice :p. I'm sure for #1, you meant Breaking All Illusions
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down, to me, is the new You Not Me but worse.
You are wrong. You Not Me is fucking god awful, BMU BMD rocks.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down, to me, is the new You Not Me but worse.
Lol, what? Pull yourself together man!
Build Me Up isn't that great, but You Not Me might be the worst thing the band has EVER done. EVER.
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Nothing on this new album is bad. Not all of it's great, but it's all at least decent.
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I need to say something positive again. The very last melody in BAI, at 11:40, is one of the most awe-inspiring things the band's ever made. I was floored the first time I heard it. I couldn't believe something that incredible actually happened.
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I need to say something positive again. The very last melody in BAI, at 11:40, is one of the most awe-inspiring things the band's ever made. I was floored the first time I heard it. I couldn't believe something that incredible actually happened.
Yes, it's soaring and majestic. Brings tears to my eyes. Your description is perfect.
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UGGGG. I cannot believe this: My sis and her friend are having a sleepover and the only laptop I can listen to the DT songs on (this one has horrid sound quality) is in use to watc H20. Yes, H20, the crappiest , most cliche series TV has ever put out is blocking up my DT time and it's killing me. Her friend is staying an extra night, too, as a nice extra surprise in there. Jesus Christ :facepalm:
That show about Mermaids? My girlfriend likes that show. Pretty lame.
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Boom
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Made me think of Cloud City.
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"Outcry" intro almost sounds like the amazing riff the band used during the drummer auditions. Or is it just me?
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"Outcry" intro almost sounds like the amazing riff the band used during the drummer auditions. Or is it just me?
It is indeed a retooled version of that riff.
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I thought so! I LOVE that riff!
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Here is the video of the riff from the drummer auditions. Skip to 1:08...it sounds like "Outcry".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2YLxBMoshg#
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I refuse to judge this album but I'll fully admit that upon hearing the album I've completely fell out love with this genre. So instead of bitching I'll just post the stuff I do love as I listen to various songs. I will say that the instrumental section of Outcry is very awesome and sounds like the band having a lot of fun.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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Just heard the album after buying it here in Australia.
I'm not that impressed. So many unnecessary sections and strange vocal melodies. This is the Life, Breaking All Illusions and Beneath the Surface are great songs. But boy the instrumental part of Breaking All Illusions is almost like a parody of the band.
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I'm just not sure what to think of Breaking All Illusions. The segments individually are all pleasant and some are awesome, but with so many extremely varied sounds and feels to each one, I don't grok them as a whole very well at all. Seems like a variety bag of dream theater riffs, almost...
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album is already out here in australia. just got a copy from jb-hifi this morning :D i was blasting this CD in the car all morning
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still waiting for my boxed set :omg:
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Just heard the album after buying it here in Australia.
I'm not that impressed. So many unnecessary sections and strange vocal melodies. This is the Life, Breaking All Illusions and Beneath the Surface are great songs. But boy the instrumental part of Breaking All Illusions is almost like a parody of the band.
You so silly.
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Never thought i would ever say this again but Outcry is slowly becoming not only my favourite song on ADTOE but my fav DT song OF ALL TIME!!!
To the person who said BMU, BMD is worse than You Not Me, are you for real? You Not Me is a fun song and BMU, BMD is a very solid Static Impulse inspired song!
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Also wanna say that the bass mix is amazing.
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The Breaking all illusions intro is amazing :D
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
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BAI intro sounds like an intro to an anime.
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This might be JP's best performance of any album, and perhaps one of the most interesting guitar work on any album I've heard in the last decade. It is very difficult to innovate these days, but JP has done it. Incredible.
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Am I the only one whose digging the outro of Outcry after James finishes singing? That part has some sweet potential for some epic crowd participation! :metal
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Well..... finally, at home and able to listen to songs in their entirety.
As for a first pass..... just listening to each song, there is one that jumps out too me.
Outcry :hefdaddy
Of course I'm sure this might change as I wrap my noggin around it all but WOW...what an awesome piece!!!!!!!!!
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Also wanna say that the bass mix is amazing.
It's not bad and if I really strain I can hear Myung pretty clear but he's still not prominent. I don't doubt the guy has come up with some killer riffs but in the end it still sounds muddled unless everyone drops out. The lower end is still more of a presence than an actual part of the music.
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This album is all kinds of amazing. :metal
Favorite songs:
Bridges On The Sky
This Is The Life
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Also wanna say that the bass mix is amazing.
It's not bad and if I really strain I can hear Myung pretty clear but he's still not prominent. I don't doubt the guy has come up with some killer riffs but in the end it still sounds muddled unless everyone drops out. The lower end is still more of a presence than an actual part of the music.
I think the bass mix is great for the most part, although he's too low on BMUBMD (at least on my copy). For most of the rest, I can clearly hear every fill. It's not perfect, but I don't think it sounds muddled except for a few of the extra heavy, intense sections.
And I love hearing that clear bass sound. I think he's been using the distorted sound for the past album or two.
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Anyone else get a Rachmaninoff vibe from the piano at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten?
Kind of reminded me of Chopin, actually.
I need to say something positive again. The very last melody in BAI, at 11:40, is one of the most awe-inspiring things the band's ever made. I was floored the first time I heard it. I couldn't believe something that incredible actually happened.
This. The final couple of minutes of BAI (after the singing returns) are definitely epic and maybe my favourite moment of the album so far...
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Also wanna say that the bass mix is amazing.
It's not bad and if I really strain I can hear Myung pretty clear but he's still not prominent. I don't doubt the guy has come up with some killer riffs but in the end it still sounds muddled unless everyone drops out. The lower end is still more of a presence than an actual part of the music.
I think the bass mix is great for the most part, although he's too low on BMUBMD (at least on my copy). For most of the rest, I can clearly hear every fill. It's not perfect, but I don't think it sounds muddled except for a few of the extra heavy, intense sections.
And I love hearing that clear bass sound. I think he's been using the distorted sound for the past album or two.
I agree on that last point. When he does stand out it's pretty clear, audible bass tone which is a great leap forward.
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One thing that also helps greatly is that JM is not just doubling JP as much. There are a lot more sections where he's doing his own thing, and a lot more instrumental sections where JP is not laying down a rhythm, more like the IaW style arrangements.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
I'd love to hear that example.
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You put Beneath The Surface twice :p.
Because it's that awesome. ;D My favorite tune on the album, so far.
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The String patches in Build Me Up, Break Me Down are really cool. The best Rudess has ever had, I think.
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It's gotten better every time I've listened to it. Breaking All Illusions might be one of my new favorite DT songs, no matter how much it's Learning to Live.
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Build Me Up, Break Me Down, to me, is the new You Not Me but worse.
They definitely share a lot of elements, and fit more or less into the "grunge-influenced 90s pop metal" slot, but the verses are so badass I really can't bring myself to be bothered by that.
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After 3 listens I think I am coming to the realization that I am just not into this brand of prog rock/metal as much as I am into what they wrote in the 90's. Everything is just so cluttered with various riffs, solos, unisons, and this and that that I just really lose interest in the songs as a whole. I can find bits and pieces here and there to latch onto as being cool parts of songs but nothing is hitting me like it used to 10-15 years ago or how I feel when I listen to recent music from bands like Porcupine Tree.
I do like Outcry and I think Beneath the Surface is a nice song but everything else is just kinda, blah for lack of a better term. I actually think Breaking All Illusions is one of the most jumbled mess of a song on the album. It has no center and the middle instrumental section wanders all over the place. I know it's a rework of LTL, which I love, but BAI just doesn't work for me.
No need to be more of a bummer then I already am and I respect the music for how technical and complicated it is but I'm just not into it that much any more. Just keeping it real.
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After first listening yesterday, I have to say that I'm surprised by how this slbum sounds and how it is. The amount of 7string guitar in that album is huge :) Which is good, the riffs are huge, almost every song has big live performance potential. Bring Me Up..., Bridges In The Sky, Outcry, these songs are having so huge main riffs, it would be a killer live. Many instrumental sections are so technical that sometimes I was thinking "Wow, They get lost a bit...", but I think it needs time, and more listening. My favourite are for now Bridges In The Sky and Breaking ALl Illusions.
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I'm torn on this album. It's very solid as a whole but a combination of Mike Mangini's stylistically bland performance here (which is not really entirely his fault) and the total lack of tracks that go above and beyond like "The Count of Tuscany", "Home", and all of Images and Words and Awake make it merely good. John Petrucci absolutely kills it here though, he's certainly been on a creative streak with this one.
I am eager to see where they go with Mangini once they can all hit the studio as a collective unit.
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After listening to this album ONCE, I believe it has given us (me) EVERYTHING that we (I) have been missing for the last ten years, at least continually throughout the album. They gave us (me) the perfect balance between prog and metal once again and I (we) couldn't be more happier. Everyone just sounds great on this especially JLB!
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3. Talking about ruining potentially good songs, Lost not Forgotten 1:54-2:34 is one of the most atrocious pieces of crap they have ever composed. I don't know who was the genius who put it right when you start thinking that the song would be great.
The only point where I agree with you. This exact section murders the intense/enigmatic mood of what came before it and continues right after it.
But I do tend to forget about it as soon as the rocking verse comes in.
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Gotta say, I love the addition to the ballads made by this record. Black Clouds had "Wither," which cool, but Systematic Chaos didn't have any good ballads and Octavarium's ballad (TALW) was kinda a dud. But this album has This is the Life, Far From Heaven and Beneath the Surface. While the first isn't nearly as strong as the latter two, all three are great additions to the "lighter" side of DT music. Totally doing a new "light side" playlist for DT now.
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The crazy part on the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten ruined good impression after Bring Me Up Bring Me Down :P :P :P
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Why is BMUBMD getting a Constant Motion/AROP treatment? This song is amazing. Great vocal effects and performance, the riffs are rocking and everything else is sounding so fresh and creative.
At 2:32 the keyboard plays an off-scale note right?
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I'm just going to put right out there abd say that BAI is the best song since I&W! Flame me if you want.
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Why is BMUBMD getting a Constant Motion/AROP treatment? This song is amazing. Great vocal effects and performance, the riffs are rocking and everything else is sounding so fresh and creative.
At 2:32 the keyboard plays an off-scale note right?
BMUBMD is a great song, great vocals in here. Way better than CM and AROP for me.
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Definitely.
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Just goes to show that you can't please all of the people all of the time... but that was to be expected. My first impression was for the most part 95% stunned :hefdaddy.
The only song that I just kind of sat there and said WTF to was BMUBMD... but my digital download finally came through at 00:30 so I only got one listen in so far and it might just be the kind of song I need to hear repeatedly to get into (it's happened before).
I'm actually looking forward to going back to work on Monday so I can sit and absorb this album during my (2.5h a day) commute... plus I can listen while I work!
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I'v only given this album one spin thus far (and the last 3 tracks 2 spins) but this album is probably going to be at least my favorite since SDOIT purely for the aforementioned three tracks. Far From Heaven -> Breaking All Illusions -> Beneath The Surface is my favorite progressive of songs on a DT album since... honestly, I can't even think of one that I like better, at least not for three tracks.
Far From Heaven in general hasn't gotten a lot of love, but I think it's absolutely gorgeous, and subtly melancholic at the same time (at least by DT standards). Then of course there's Breaking All Illusions, which yes is a callback to LTL, but one that I think works VERY well. And I usually don't like the long drawn out instrumental sections in a lot of DT's songs, but here I think it's perfect. Very melodic and thoughtful, not at all wanky. And the outro... my God, the outro. It sent chills all around me.
And Beneath The Surface gets its own new paragraph because, wow, I never expected something that beautiful. PT's Feel So Low has always been one of my favorite album closers for how pretty it was, and this just beat that. I also never thought I could like a DT ballad as much as Disappear and Space Dye Vest, but I may like this song better. It just has all the melodic progressions I love in music, and lyrics I think a lot of us can relate to.
On the whole the album is very strong, but a few songs need more time for me. Lost Not Forgotten kind of threw me off, and left me wanting (though it's probably a grower). This Is The Life actually surprised me by how... underwhelmed I was at first listen. Hopefully it'll grow on me, cause I was expecting great things from this song, but everything just sort went in one ear and out the other. This was more than made up for on the other two ballads, though.
My very early opinion rankings:
1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Beneath the Surface
3. Far From Heaven
4. Bridges in the Sky
5. On the Backs of Angels
6. Outcry
7. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
8. This Is The Life
9. Lost Not Forgotten
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
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Outcry is my definite favourite, the meaning of the song makes and the way the song plays out gives me some sort of strong connection because last year in my Social Studies class we studied the happenings in Northern Africa. I know I can't tell what they're going through, but it still is an empowering song to me. The song gave me goosebumps when I first heard it and in fact still does after every listen! Someone compared it to Metropolis, Metropolis is my favourite song off of I&W and Outcry is doing the same for me.
This album is so amazing, it almost made me shed tears of joy because I was so happy for Dream Theater and all that they've accomplished!
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Beneath the Surface is one of most beautiful songs DT has ever done.
hmmm...
I love BMUBMD... (shut up).
Outcry is fucking sexy
The Shaman's Bridge to the Sky is awesome...
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We'll see in about a week what I really think about the album, but anyway it's great. :tup
Ranking at the moment:
Bridges in the sky
Beneath the surface
Breaking all illusions
Build me up, break me down
On the backs of angels
Lost not forgotten
Far from heaven
Outcry
This is the life
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just listening to it and reached BAI, for me its just unbelievably great. The overall first impression, its such a warm and clear production, totally different to my ears then the last two outputs.
i love it, great stuff, more after a few more gos. :metal :hefdaddy
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After first listening yesterday, I have to say that I'm surprised by how this slbum sounds and how it is. The amount of 7string guitar in that album is huge :)
Pretty sure that JP said in an interview recently that he only used a 7-string on one song (Outcry?), and all the other songs were played with standard-tuning 6-strings.
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First listen and my ranking from yesterday:
1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Bridges In The Shaman's Sky
3. Bring Me Up, Bring Me Down
4. This Is The Life
5. Beneath The Surface
6. Outcry
7. On The Backs Of Angels
8. Far From Heaven
9. Lost Not Forgotten (anyway, great drums here!! )
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ADToE's is a stunning piece of work,and DT should be very proud of themselves.Standout track for me is OUTCRY.....great riff,fantastic chorus and what can you say about the instrumental section other than brilliant.Reminds me of Muse(apart from the instrumental)especially the repeated chorus at the end.I can see this album being a top three in the DT catalogue for sure.Could whittle on about the rest of the album but i would only be repeating what most people are saying....brilliant. 9/10
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Just finished my first spin. At this stage the word that best sums it up for me is intense; both good and bad tracks really pick you up and dont let go until theyr good and ready. Last three certainly thr standouts, while the first three are, unfortunately, pretty average. There is so much to digest that my opinion will likely change after a few spins, though. Tentative score: 7.5/10
Rankings cos everyone else seems to want to rank them:
Beneath the Surface
Breaking All Illusions
This is the Life (was a relief to hear after the first three tracks)
Outcry
Bridges in the Sky
Far From Heaven
On the Backs of Angels
Lost Not Forgotten
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
The last three on the list are interchangeable though, just didn't click with me at all.
All in all, solid album, still got the chops for sure, JLB is on fire (BtS is probably his best performance in a long time), drums are a little shallow and quiet for mine, but yes overall very good. Not sure where it fits quite yet in the discography, but it doesn't touch I&W.
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peoples are ranking the songs very different, for someone Outcry is one of the worst song, for someone other is one of the best. I don't know if is good or bad sign. BTW I love this album!!!
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peoples are ranking the songs very different, for someone Outcry is one of the worst song, for someone other is one of the best. I don't know if is good or bad sign.
It's a good sign.
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I think it is going to be quite a polarising album, there is that much going on in each track that everyone will probably hear things a little differently to eachother.
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I think it is going to be quite a polarising album, there is that much going on in each track that everyone will probably hear things a little differently to eachother.
I don't think it's going to be too polarizing. I think at the moment some people may be a bit slightly disappointed because of the hype, or because they haven't had enough spins to digest it yet, but overall it seems the album is being fairly positively received overall.
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I don't know about you guys, but I've come to the conclusion that there's not a single bad part of this album. This is the most technical and sonically and musically interesting album they've done since SDOIT. :hefdaddy
It's like I can finally feel in awe of all the signature Dream Theater technicality again without feeling embarrassed by the lyrics or tough guy vocals. This is what DT is all about. :metal
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Man, hearing that last note of "Breaking All Illusions" really drives home the message of how awesome and special this album is. :metal
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After first listening yesterday, I have to say that I'm surprised by how this slbum sounds and how it is. The amount of 7string guitar in that album is huge :)
Pretty sure that JP said in an interview recently that he only used a 7-string on one song (Outcry?), and all the other songs were played with standard-tuning 6-strings.
BITS and Outcry 7 strings
LNF 6 strings D tuned
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My provisional rankings, with comments:
Bridges in the Sky - Contains my favorite moment on the record: the transition from the end of the 2nd chorus into the 5/8 instrumental section (7:14). Also: the best chorus in DT history!
Breaking all Illusions - So many great parts. Has a lot of growing potential. I have a sneaky feeling that it will top the list in the future.
This is the Life - Beautiful!
On the Backs of Angels - The reason this song is so high is that it already has had time to grow a bit. It will probably step down a couple of spots in the future.
Build Me Up Break Me Down - Usually not a big fan of such a "modern" sound, but the song is great, and has among other things a great chorus.
Far from Heaven - I like it!
Outcry - Needs more time to digest. At the moment, some of the instrumental parts reminds me of some of the instrumental parts in Endless Sacrifice or ItNoG (which is not a good thing, imo). It lacks focus and direction, and I think it's nowhere near TDOE quality (a comparison made by the band) when it comes to crazy instrumental playing. I hope I will change my mind in the future. Some awesome vocal parts, though!
Beneath the Surface - As opposed to most of you other guys, I think this is the weakest ballad on the album. A bit buttery, and I also cringed when JLB went up an octave at the end the first time I heard the song.
Lost Not Forgotten - A bit disappointed regarding this song. I had huge hopes, and it has its good parts, but I don't think it works that well in its enirety.
This album is definitively a grower, which is an awesome thing! The best songs and albums are all growers, imo, and this list (and its remarks) will probably change quite quickly.
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After first listening yesterday, I have to say that I'm surprised by how this slbum sounds and how it is. The amount of 7string guitar in that album is huge :)
Pretty sure that JP said in an interview recently that he only used a 7-string on one song (Outcry?), and all the other songs were played with standard-tuning 6-strings.
BITS and Outcry 7 strings
LNF 6 strings D tuned
I stand by what I said. Hopefully someone can find that interview.
EDIT: Nevermind, I read an interview and I think you're right. :lol
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I can't believe all the heat Outcry has been getting. It starts out with a punch in the face, and epic strings... kinda symphonic metal feel - but I love it. The instrumental part is no Metropolis, but it's seriously amazing. And dat part right after the instrumental section, 8:45ish or whatever... the song grows immensely.
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Outcry is probably my favorite on the record.
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I can't believe all the heat Outcry has been getting. It starts out with a punch in the face, and epic strings... kinda symphonic metal feel - but I love it. The instrumental part is no Metropolis, but it's seriously amazing. And dat part right after the instrumental section, 8:45ish or whatever... the song grows immensely.
well I understand why, but don't at the same time. When I first listened, it didn't do much for me at all and I was like eh. Upon several listens later I really enjoy the song immensely and think its at the top 4 tracks for me with lost not forgotten, bridges, and breaking. There is an odd vocal arrangement in the song though.
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After first listening yesterday, I have to say that I'm surprised by how this slbum sounds and how it is. The amount of 7string guitar in that album is huge :)
Pretty sure that JP said in an interview recently that he only used a 7-string on one song (Outcry?), and all the other songs were played with standard-tuning 6-strings.
BITS and Outcry 7 strings
LNF 6 strings D tuned
I stand by what I said. Hopefully someone can find that interview.
EDIT: Nevermind, I read an interview and I think you're right. :lol
... Thanks for trusting me Hef....
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For now...
Beneath the Surface - 10/10
Breaking All Illusions - 10/10
This is the Life - 10/10
Bridges in the Sky - 9.5/10
Outcry - 9.5/10
Far from Heaven - 9.5/10
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - 9/10 (What can I say, I really like single-potential songs that sound like JLB's solo work. Also, HOLY SHIT VOCALS)
Lost Not Forgotten - 8.5/10
On the Backs of Angels - 8/10
That's after at least 20 listens, more for individual songs. Masterpiece.
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A few thoughts and questions. First off, what an album! Isn't BAI one of their best songs ever? What a masterpiece. T he album needs more than 4 listens to be judged on a steady ground. There's just so much going on in there. Only thing I don't dig is a couple measures in the instrumental section of Outcry. And a question. What do you guys think the lyrics of BMU,BMD are about? The topic appears to be about religion or something, but to me it seems like it's about DT and the way their fans and other listeners judge them. They get "deified" and then "crucified" from fans who "watch their every move" and are "obsessed" with them to a point where getting "built up" and then "broken down" becomes stressful. Just an interpretation...
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I love the keyboard solo in Lost not Forgotten, it's probably my favorite rudess solo behind the one in 8vm
Does anybody else think JP's guitar solo in LNF is kinda odd
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A few thoughts and questions. First off, what an album! Isn't BAI one of their best songs ever? What a masterpiece. T he album needs more than 4 listens to be judged on a steady ground. There's just so much going on in there. Only thing I don't dig is a couple measures in the instrumental section of Outcry. And a question. What do you guys think the lyrics of BMU,BMD are about? The topic appears to be about religion or something, but to me it seems like it's about DT and the way their fans and other listeners judge them. They get "deified" and then "crucified" from fans who "watch their every move" and are "obsessed" with them to a point where getting "built up" and then "broken down" becomes stressful. Just an interpretation...
I believe JP said it was about celebrities who get 'built up' then 'broken down' by the media. The example he gave was Britney and how she was heralded when she first turned up on the scene but now she's a media scapegoat. So it's about artists that aren't DT.
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Breaking All Illusion's got my full marks. Listening to this album for the first time, and it's the only song that captured my attention.
The spirit of Dream Theater is there. But is it just me, or does the drums doesn't sound "powerful" enough? I mean, the technique, ideas, everything's there done by Mike Mangini - I was talking in a sense of how they mixed the drums for this album?
And James sounds pretty good in this album!
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I love the keyboard solo in Lost not Forgotten, it's probably my favorite rudess solo behind the one in 8vm
Does anybody else think JP's guitar solo in LNF is kinda odd
LNF is an odd song, it's a connection of two worlds for me. Simple and plain riffs during verse and chorus, and really sick instrumental section, like this one 1:55 to aorund 2:30... but, second time when I listen and it's getting better ;)
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Why cant I listen to it on the road runner site anymore? was it a limited stream? :justjen :tdwn
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So far I love the album, dunno if i like it as much as my top 4 (I&W, SDOIT, Awake, SFAM) but it's damn good.
As far as ranking goes
BTS
BITS
BAI
FFH
Outcry
OTBOA
TTTL
LNF
BMUBMD
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The more I listen to this the more I love it. Every song. I can't even give a proper ranking, because I keep changing my mind about how I would do it. The best I can do for now is this:
1. BTS + TITL
2. Everything else
It's hard to say where the album as a whole will land in my favorites list, but I'm pretty sure it'll at least be somewhere within my top 5 along with Awake, SFAM, I&W and FII.
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After the first listen, I definitely like it very much, but it also definitely is an album that needs several listens.
The song that pleasantly surprised me the most was This Is The Life - after the snippet I expected some sort of "happy ballad" like The Answer Lies Within, and in reality it is... wow. So uplifting and powerful... Also, I really like Build Me Up, Break Me Down, it's different than anything they've done this far basically, and the screamed part of the chorus is amazing imo.
Bridges In The Sky and Outcry also definitely impressed me a bit. But like all the longer songs on the album, I feel I need more listens to fully get into them.
I'm hoping it will be a "The Incident" kind of album, where I also felt like "this is really good but will need more listens" and it turned out to be possibly my favourite album by the band...
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Finally heard! My god I've been climbing on the walls the last few days...
Loved it, from start to fininsh, wonderful album. My ranking would probably be:
01 - Breaking All Illusions
02 - Outcry
03 - Bridges In the Sky
04 - This Is the Life
05 - Lost Not Forgotten
06 - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
07 - Beneath the Surface
08 - On the Backs of Angels
09 - Far From Heaven
I feel kinda bad having to put any one of these in the 9th spot, they were all very imressive. And what was that short qwitch from minor to major in Bridges In the Sky? Crazy!
As my dad said on the first listen: "They're back".
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The last two and a half minutes of BAI are absolutely beautiful, and Outcry is growing on me more and more with each listen. The main theme is absolutely amazing.
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BMUBMD seems to be hit or miss with people, but for me there's one part in particular:
"Tonight I am the new messiah, you deify
When I am no longer desired, I'll be crucified"
I just love the way this part sounds, there's something about it that's so :metal
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i ALREADY LISTENED TO IT, CAUSE I PRE-ORDERED, AND IT'S AAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEESSSSSOOOOOOOMMMEEEE!!!
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This might be JP's best performance of any album, and perhaps one of the most interesting guitar work on any album I've heard in the last decade. It is very difficult to innovate these days, but JP has done it. Incredible.
I agree with this! The guitar work by JP is outstanding. The man is a riffmonster! :hefdaddy Love the solo in Lost Not Forgotten!
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Glad to see a lot of love for This Is the Life. That might be in my top 3 from the album (behind the unquestioned top two: Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions). In fact, all three ballads/mellow songs are all really good. It reminds me of the 90s, when all of those albums would have multiple really strong ballads/mellow songs.
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Glad to see a lot of love for This Is the Life. That might be in my top 3 from the album (behind the unquestioned top two: Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions). In fact, all three ballads/mellow songs are all really good. It reminds me of the 90s, when all of those albums would have multiple really strong ballads/mellow songs.
:metal :metal :metal
Bridges in the Sky is about an Andy thread, right?
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Glad to see a lot of love for This Is the Life. That might be in my top 3 from the album (behind the unquestioned top two: Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions). In fact, all three ballads/mellow songs are all really good. It reminds me of the 90s, when all of those albums would have multiple really strong ballads/mellow songs.
Somehow I keep overlooking This is the Life, I guess I'm just too distracted by the bigger songs. Every time I listen to it though, I realize how damn good it is.
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The end of Beneath the Surface when JLB takes it up a notch is :hefdaddy. I am so thrilled that they decided to end the album with a song like this, instead of the usual epic. Not that most of those album-ending epics aren't great, but it is nice to see the format change a bit. :tup :tup
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After a few listens, I think I can safely say this is one of my favourite albums by DT. I can't really give the songs an order yet, as I haven't listened to them enough, but BITS, Outcry, BAI, LNF and BTS are definitely standing out. Hell, all the songs stand out! I actually think OTBOA is the worst song on the album, and even that is a great song!
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It's amazing, after several spins the album still excites me the same way it excited me the first time I listened to it. No DT album had done that for me, at least the "new" releases I've witnessed (Since Octavarium)
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I gotta say, as someone who has not been wild about some of their newer extended instrumental sections, I think the one in Outcry is outstanding. The synth lead Rudess plays around the 5-minute mark, ultimately climaxing at that point in the song with the rest of the band going nuts rhythmically, is just outstanding. And the main theme, the one that kicks in after the intro and also plays during the choruses, just reeks of classic Dream Theater.
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3:00 - 3:36 In Breaking All Illusions is the best section DT have written since SFAM
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The whole album is FANTASTIC, i think the best they're released since SFAM... My ranking until now, HOWEVER i think that with this masterpiece is impossible to do a ranking, due to the fact that the whole fucking disc is perfect.
1. Outcry (I think it has every DT element that had been developed through the years, it IS DREAM THEATER in its best, it's an anthem).
2. Bridges in the sky, Breaking All Illusions
3. Lost Not Forgotten, Beneath the Surface, Far From Heaven
4. On the backs of angels, Build Me Up Break Me Down, This is the Life
This doesn't means that i do mnot LOVE the songs in the 4ş position, I did this only to make a rational ranking.. I love the entire album, from the beginning to end.
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Outcry's instrumental section does nothing for me, and it takes up too much of the song. Probably the reason I'm not too keen on it overall even though I have no specific criticism of it. The other instrumental sections on the album are more straight forward, but I think that's why I much prefer them.
BAI's would be the best. How long has it been since they've done a section that mellow like that guitar solo? Probably LITS. And the rest of the instrumental section is the love child of Blind Faith and Learning to Live.
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After a couple of listen throughs, only 'Lost Not Forgotten' stood out to me as brilliant, but every song ranks between good and great. Think i'm going to have to put the hours into the album to fully appreciate it, which is a trait I really prefer in albums. Very good album I reckon, which seems to be a popular consensus on here at least!
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I love Mangini's drumming in the quiet parts. His sense of dynamics >>>>>>>> Portnoy's sense of dynamics.
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The funky beat in the beginning of the instrumental of BAI (where the snippet ended) doesn't get enough love ITT.
Hell, if I was producing the album, those two measures would be repeated over and over again until the second chorus.
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The last three songs together are easily the highlight of this album.
Edit:
Anyone else catch that strong In the Presence of Enemies reference during the instrumental in Breaking All Illusions? That really surprised me, shocked to see no one else mention it yet.
Since I'm listening to BAI right now, I got the timestamp of this; right around 6:02. Someone tell me I'm not crazy.
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I just picket up the album from my local music store. They never seem to care for release dates, but who cares now that it's out in Australia and Japan, and available for stream. Blasting it now!
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The funky beat in the beginning of the instrumental of BAI (where the snippet ended) doesn't get enough love ITT.
Hell, if I was producing the album, those two measures would be repeated over and over again until the second chorus.
Clearly recalls us of the root of funk, eh.
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I love Mangini's drumming in the quiet parts.
Me too. The marching band-type snare at the end of This Is the Life is very nice, but they didn't mix it to where it was too overpowering.
I think how his drums were mixed will take some time for many to get used to. With Portnoy, the drums were always so up front in the mix, but with Mangini, they are lowered a bit, but still right about where they should be. Not saying that is better or worse, just different. :)
The funky beat in the beginning of the instrumental of BAI (where the snippet ended) doesn't get enough love ITT.
Hell, if I was producing the album, those two measures would be repeated over and over again until the second chorus.
I would love to have heard a strong electronic drum beat during the first two verses, so I basically agree with you. ;)
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This is the Life is definately working its way up in my overall DT rankings I think; probably the most "progressive metal" song they've done for a little while and JPs solo is a brute.
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I gotta say, as someone who has not been wild about some of their newer extended instrumental sections, I think the one in Outcry is outstanding. The synth lead Rudess plays around the 5-minute mark, ultimately climaxing at that point in the song with the rest of the band going nuts rhythmically, is just outstanding. And the main theme, the one that kicks in after the intro and also plays during the choruses, just reeks of classic Dream Theater.
Yes, it is the best since Intervals!
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Ranking time:
Breaking All Illusions
Far From Heaven
Outcry
Beneath The Surface
Bridges In The Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
This Is The Life
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
On The Backs Of Angels
Even OTBOA is amazing; the fact that it's the worst on the album is really just a testament to how terrific the whole thing is.
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That riff at the beginning of BITS :metal :metal
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1.Lost Not Forgotten
2.Build Me Up Break Me Down
3.Breaking All Illusions
4.Outcry
5.Far From Heaven
6.On The Backs Of Angels
7.Bridges In The Sky
8.This is The Life
9.Beneath The Surface
But none of these songs are bad by any means. This is, in my opinion, of their best albums. Not even for the new album smell, mainly because of the well crafted songs. James sounds incredible, and IMO, this is their best album lyrically overall since maybe Falling Into Infinity. I was going to say since 2002 but I'm not too hot on SDOIT.
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That riff at the beginning of BITS :metal :metal
This is their second heaviest riff ever, probably just behind The Glass Prison.
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1. Bridges in the Sky (..Crossing bridges in the sky, on a journey to renew my life... :metal)
2. Breaking All Illusions
3. Outcry
4. On the Back of Angels
5. Beneath The Surface
6. Build Me Up Break Me Down
7. This is The Life
8. Far From Heaven
9. Lost Not Forgotten
Awesome album, not a weak moment IMO
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Haven't listened to the album much to comment on besides OTBOA. I just listened to Far From Heaven though, and that song is great. Short, precise and good lyrics by LaBrie.
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I've been listening to the digital download for the past day so and I've got say that I'm really, really digging it. I (superficially) enjoyed most DT releases since ToT but tired of them quite quicky (I was never too enamoured with SC to begin with but I can't even bring myself to listen to it these days... "Repentance" is the sole exception and I seldom play it) but this is hitting me differently. Something tells me this record has a whole lot more staying power than just about anything DT has put out since SDoIT. Hope I'm not wrong. One thing is clear to me, ADToE sounds a hell of a lot more like the band I fell in love with back in '96... and I'm not talking about the actual music (which is a surprisingly accomplished and interesting mix of both old and new DT elements)... it's just something about the sheer warmth that the record oozes. All in all, I'm really happy with this record so far.
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Tear inducing moments:
01 - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
"The price I pay, to live this waaaaaaaaaaaayyy"
02 - Bridges In the Sky
"Crossing bridges in the sky, on a journey to renew my life"
03 - Outcry
"Rise up be counted, stand strong and unite"
04 - Breaking All Illusions
"New realities, singularities, breaking all illusions"
05 - Beneath the Surface
Ehh.. yeah pretty much the whole thing.
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The only criticism I have of this album is that - similar to what emindead was saying - there are times when a song starts to build and build and build, and it's almost painfully obvious where it should go, and then it doesn't go there, and it loses all its momentum. The best example I can think of is "Bridges in the Sky". After the final chorus, it should go back to the Final Fantasy melody, but instead it just kind of flattens out.
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The only criticism I have of this album is that - similar to what emindead was saying - there are times when a song starts to build and build and build, and it's almost painfully obvious where it should go, and then it doesn't go there, and it loses all its momentum. The best example I can think of is "Bridges in the Sky". After the final chorus, it should go back to the Final Fantasy melody, but instead it just kind of flattens out.
You mean the part after the chorus that goes kind of like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvhuIY8HcgE&t=0m53s ?
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The only criticism I have of this album is that - similar to what emindead was saying - there are times when a song starts to build and build and build, and it's almost painfully obvious where it should go, and then it doesn't go there, and it loses all its momentum. The best example I can think of is "Bridges in the Sky". After the final chorus, it should go back to the Final Fantasy melody, but instead it just kind of flattens out.
You mean the part after the chorus that goes kind of like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvhuIY8HcgE&t=0m53s ?
That's the one! :D
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It's almost scary how this album just keeps getting better with each listen :eek
Without a doubt one of their best records and IMO it may have the potential to rank up there with I&W and SFAM
:hefdaddy DT
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I don't at all agree with Bridges in the Sky. I think it ends just the way it should.
And after watching that clip, I can totally hear a similarity.
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It's almost scary how this album just keeps getting better with each listen :eek
Without a doubt one of their best records and IMO it may have the potential to rank up there with I&W and SFAM
:hefdaddy DT
it does get better and better doesnt it??!!
The first couple of listens LNF flew by and I couldnt really remember much. The last listen and everything fell into place - stunning. I love it when that happens with a new DT song.
This album is AMAZING :hefdaddy
Cant wait for Manchester in Feb.
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I don't at all agree with Bridges in the Sky. I think it ends just the way it should.
And after watching that clip, I can totally hear a similarity.
I agree with the aussie.
If it went to the Final Fantasy theme after the final SHAMAN TAKE MY HAND!, I would feel the song's looping innecessarily. Bridges is perfect for me as it is.
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I don't at all agree with Bridges in the Sky. I think it ends just the way it should.
And after watching that clip, I can totally hear a similarity.
I agree with the aussie.
If it went to the Final Fantasy theme after the final SHAMAN TAKE MY HAND!, I would feel the song's looping innecessarily. Bridges is perfect for me as it is.
Maybe I just like Final Fantasy too much.
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OMG! BAI's 1st verse is sooooo good (the parts with 7/8 6/8 5/8 7/8), especially the last part with JP's sliding lead guitar when the intensity goes up a notch (~2:45 ->). The atmosphere is radiant! :omg:
EDIT: And why in God's name haven't they used the funky 5:21 part more? They should at least have stretched it over 4 bars instead of only 2...
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Listened to it once, and all I can say is that I can't wait to hear it enough times to enjoy it's full potential. Too much to digest in one listen.
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I am listening to BITS. The intro is cringe-worthy but the rest is good.
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Omg, just noticed the backing vocals on BMUBMD. Holy ****.
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I am listening to BITS. The intro is cringe-worthy but the rest is good.
Except for when it comes back at the end and completely kills the mood of the final chord ringing out
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I absolutely cannot get Beneath the Surface out of my head. It's been something like 15 hours since I listened to it, and since then, I've listened to Train of Thought -an album full of songs that tend to get stuck in my head- in it's entirety. And I've slept. And BTS is still in my head.
I'm not complaining, either.
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That's how I am with BMU,BMD. I guess if the idea was to write something radio friendly with a catchy tune, they succeeded big time. just keeps going through my head over and over and over and over and ov...............
And I do really like it a lot, it's just different than what we're used to.
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I was hoping for a trumphiant return, but after hearing this album a couple of times, Systematic Chaos doesn't seem that bad, and BC&SL even better than I already thought it was.
How any of you guys can even compare this in quality to SDOIT is beyond me, but I'm really happy everyone feels that way.
I just think that
1) It was mixed by Andy Wallace. He's a mixing legend. Then why the hell doesn't it sound better than BC&SL? The mix is one of the worst I've heard on a DT album. JMX is mixed ridiculously loud at times (so that fans think: yeah, there he is again! See it, now that MP is gone we can hear JMX!) but at other times you really can't hear him. And what the hell, in ANTR the bass is mixed perfectly. When the drums, bass and guitar enter in that track, it moves more earth than ANYTHING on this record. They should've make sure the drums sound awesome, even with a new member. Now it all sounds like a drum computer. Bleh.
2) Is it really the mix? Or is it because of the master? When you skip through this record, any random mouse click, it all sounds the same. Terrible sounding cymbals too. It sounds unnatural, and grating to the ears.
3) I'm a big DT fan. I'm supposed to like this album, what happened? I've liked every album they've put out, except this one. This is the first time for me that a new DT release doesn't do a thing for me, at all.
The only conclusion I can draw is that (at least for me) the spirit of the band is gone with MP. Believe me, I didn't have a problem with Mangini, I was 100% open minded and I really liked OTBOA.
But this.. this, I thought I'd never say it. It's kitsch. I don't buy it. And I'm sure as hell not buying it.
I could not disagree more. The mix is the best they've had since probably FII. Mangini's drums sound great. And JMX isn't really that loud.
And no offense, but you're coming across as ' "MP not on album, then I'm not buying it" *pout* '
I only agree with Mangini's mix he is not loud enough and i wish he played a deeper snare , other than that for me the album is one of there best. next album mangini will shine no worries.
As for people thinking he sounds like he is playing simple filler check out some youtube vids of people covering the new stuff is pretty complicated.
JLB sounds so friggin good on this im really digging the ballads even.
I never have anything bad to say about JR
Nice to hear JMX not shadowing so much but there are spots were he is lost in the mix.
and loving JP's solos !!!
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BMUBMD is absolutely killer in my opinion. The only part that falls a bit flat in comparison is the "Build! Me! Up!" after the (exceptionally great) chorus, but it doesn't take away from the song being really great.
I'm still trying to warm up to Lost Not Forgotten, though...
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BMUBMD is absolutely killer in my opinion. The only part that falls a bit flat in comparison is the "Build! Me! Up!" after the (exceptionally great) chorus, but it doesn't take away from the song being really great.
Not to nitpick, but that part is the chorus. ???
I think you're talking about the pre-chorus.
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BMUBMD is absolutely killer in my opinion. The only part that falls a bit flat in comparison is the "Build! Me! Up!" after the (exceptionally great) chorus, but it doesn't take away from the song being really great.
Not to nitpick, but that part is the chorus. ???
I think you're talking about the pre-chorus.
Errr I think you're wrong. "You build me up, you break me down, until I'm falling to pieces.." isn't that the chorus? Sounds like one.
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The album is now also available on the (legal) streaming services Spotify and Wimp.
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02 - Bridges In the Sky
"Crossing bridges in the sky, on a journey to renew my life"
My favourite!!! :hefdaddy
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BMUBMD is absolutely killer in my opinion. The only part that falls a bit flat in comparison is the "Build! Me! Up!" after the (exceptionally great) chorus, but it doesn't take away from the song being really great.
Not to nitpick, but that part is the chorus. ???
I think you're talking about the pre-chorus.
Errr I think you're wrong. "You build me up, you break me down, until I'm falling to pieces.." isn't that the chorus? Sounds like one.
Exactly. The "Build! Me! Up!" thing seems more like something in-between the chorus and the next verse. Like an "after chorus" if you will.
I could be wrong though.
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The album is now also available on the (legal) streaming services Spotify and Wimp.
not in the UK :( the album is there on Spotify, but unavailable to be listened to.
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I am listening to BITS. The intro is cringe-worthy but the rest is good.
Except for when it comes back at the end and completely kills the mood of the final chord ringing out
Is it really that bad? :) I think it sets the tone and mystery quite amazingly. When it comes back, can't help but scream "Shaman, just take my hand, dammit!"
What I don't dig is the "Agnus Deiiiiiiii", it's a little bit too long, but the song is quite good, I'm really starting to think that BITS is up there with TGP among DT's heavy songs.
Listening carefully to whatever is playing in the background made me appreciate JR's playing a lot more. And the rythm section of Myung and Mangini is so tight, that I'd like to see a drum and bass solo on the tour.
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The album is now also available on the (legal) streaming services Spotify and Wimp.
not in the UK :( the album is there on Spotify, but unavailable to be listened to.
Uncool... :-\
Well, it's at least listenable with a Norwegian IP-address.
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I think the top 2 on this album are settled for me: Breaking All Illusions and Bridges In The Sky. BITS has an insanely beautiful chorus (both parts, but especially the line "may healing waters bury all my pain", accompanied by the chord progression), and the instrumental section is really cool, I especially love JR's hammond solo. And BAI... it's just awesome. As I said before, the last two and a half minutes are the absolute stand-out.
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Hooray! The bass is audible again!
I've only heard the album once so far, but I did enjoy it. I need to listen again.
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It's definately a headphone album- so much detail from JR.
I cried tears of joy listening to this on about the 8 th play through.
At this point it's a masterpiece. I can't believe how awesome this album feels. There are no words.
This album would not sound like this with MP in charge, that's for sure, and for that thank you Mike.
I love DT. Always have, but never has an album done this to me.
No tracks to skip. Awesomeness from start to finish. And even the synth solo in BTS fits- I hated it in the snippet.
And a few words for JLB. Ohh yes. You nailed it.
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BMUBMD is absolutely killer in my opinion. The only part that falls a bit flat in comparison is the "Build! Me! Up!" after the (exceptionally great) chorus, but it doesn't take away from the song being really great.
Not to nitpick, but that part is the chorus. ???
I think you're talking about the pre-chorus.
Errr I think you're wrong. "You build me up, you break me down, until I'm falling to pieces.." isn't that the chorus? Sounds like one.
Exactly. The "Build! Me! Up!" thing seems more like something in-between the chorus and the next verse. Like an "after chorus" if you will.
I could be wrong though.
Structurally it makes more sense to me for the "BUILD. ME. UP" to be the chorus, with the part before it the pre-chorus. It feels like it leads to what I call the chorus, rather than resolving on its own. The idea of an "after chorus" doesn't make much sense to me.
Especially if we look at the outro. It plays the "pre-chorus" once, then repeats the "chorus" a few times to finish off the song. I don't think it makes sense to play a chorus, then repeat an after chorus. In a song designed to be a straight forward single, you repeat the chorus. As I said, structurally it only makes sense one way.
Anyway, that's my reasoning. But it sounds like the big screamy bit is the chorus to me.
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... starts to build and build and build, and it's almost painfully obvious where it should go, and then it doesn't go there, and it loses all its momentum.
Exactly what I thought after having watched The Dark Knight ::)
Anyway, my two cents.. I'm after maybe a dozen spins, and if I were to describe it in two words (one bad, one good) it would be: forgettable and '(a) grower'. At first I was disappointed as hell as it just didn't live up to the hype. OTBOA was cool, pretty generic, but as JP said, it's a pretty much signature song for DT, and supposedly the worst song on the album. But now I think it's fairly good, on par with Octavarium for my taste.
As for the band members individually I really like that Myung is more of a presence in the mix, but still I would love to see more bass grooves from him. The thing I like is the laid back feel of Jordan's playing, specifically the absence of the "snarling fuckin' pig" patch. The beginning of OTBOA has one of the best patches ever. Another thing you notice is the extensive use of choirs and strings, which gives the songs a very anthemic feel. Which I personally like, as I'm a huge sucker for live stuff, and I slowly start imagining how Outcry would sound on a gig. After BITS, this is my pick for this tour's opener.
On the other hand I'm sort of disappointed with Petrucci and Mangini. A lot of the riffs and solos are forgettable, and just bland. Mangini on the other hand... I know he had no creative input, but I'm not a drummer, and for such I think he put on his best chops in the first couple of minutes of OTBOA. Maybe drummers will notice some polyrhythmic subtleties, but for a casual listener it’s just pushed back too much. My friend insisted that he doesn’t feel any difference between MP and MM, but he’s not really into DT that much. I, on the other hand, see a huge difference. I haven’t heard Mangini’s creative side yet, but judging by this album the things that stand out most:
* a lot less fills (a good thing) ,
* more tom oriented, but poor cymbal wise (loved that in MP’s playing),
* less flashy and all over the place (which I’ve gotten used to and liked quite frankly).
There are times when MM sounds just like Portnoy, like parts of OTBOA and Outcry solo section. I don’t want to sound like a MP fanboy, but I always liked that DT’s music had a nice balance of instrumental virtuosity. Now the balance is a bit flawed but I’ll hold my opinion for the next album.
Lastly, James. He sings great, but most of the vocal melodies and harmonies are pretty bland, for example the OTBOA and LNF choruses, with the latter being one of the worst in DT’s history in my opinion. Better ones being This is the life and Beneath the surface. The rest is ok. It may be a case of genre, but his solo album is far superior in this aspect.
As for the songs my favorite is no other than Breaking All Illusions. It’s an instant classic, and the most progressive song on the album. I really like that it’s lighter, less metal, and more controlled in its progressiveness. I dig JP’s work here, the melodic solos are fantastic. The only flaw I see is, somewhere in the middle I tend to lose focus, and the solo section kind of fades in in my mind :) But maybe it’s just me. The second place goes to Outcry. A prog metal anthem that will surely kill live. I LOVE the piano breakdown after the solos. The solo section itself could be a bit shorter and less predictable for my taste, don’t really like it that much. Third goes to Beneath the surface, It’s very emotional and James does a great job. Fourth goes to On the backs of angels, it may be generic DT, but very high quality generic DT , I don’t really like the chorus and solo that much though… This is the life takes fifth – a beautiful ballad, and Bridges in the sky ranks sixth in my book, but personally I think it’s somewhat similar to Outcry. Both share the same anthemic feel, and some oriental samples. A killer opener live but drags a bit.
The rest is meh. Far from heaven feels more like a filler, BMUBMD maybe has a catchy chorus but tends to drag too long. Lost not forgotten is probably a love or hate track, but for me it kinda’ sucks. The tickle section is irritating and completely out of context. A I mentioned the chorus is weak. The rest is meh at best.
A good album overall, I’ll give it a 7/10, but I may revise that later, as I’m very interested how they’ll sound live.
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i think that lyrics to 'Lost Not Forgotten' are pretty weak. Of course, they're not BC&SL bad, but still relatively simple. the music is awesome, though. )
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I've been listening to the digital download for the past day so and I've got say that I'm really, really digging it. I (superficially) enjoyed most DT releases since ToT but tired of them quite quicky (I was never too enamoured with SC to begin with but I can't even bring myself to listen to it these days... "Repentance" is the sole exception and I seldom play it) but this is hitting me differently. Something tells me this record has a whole lot more staying power than just about anything DT has put out since SDoIT. Hope I'm not wrong. One thing is clear to me, ADToE sounds a hell of a lot more like the band I fell in love with back in '96... and I'm not talking about the actual music (which is a surprisingly accomplished and interesting mix of both old and new DT elements)... it's just something about the sheer warmth that the record oozes. All in all, I'm really happy with this record so far.
This. I'd have to go so far as to say DT was really starting to lose me since TOT. Not that I didn't buy the albums and listen,
but I know for a fact that I didn't even know BCSL was coming out until it was released. that's how far I had drifted.
I hate to even mention his name in the thread, but I'm 100% sure MP's pull on the band is what had me on the outs.
Now that we see the veiled (and not veiled) references to his control of everything from the style (which I was aware of)
to the structure (rushed composition via rudess) to the involvement of others (JMX, CJS). Once I heard a muse ripoff, it
was all downhill from there.
This album is just rocking. Prog, piano, bass, JLB sounds amazing, JP's MKV! :metal, MM (who I initially called out as stock
after first listen, and now need to get my head examined once I heard the limb independence he uses without interfering)
and count me onboard with BMUBMD, love the eagle screams. BAI is instant classic. LOVE THAT MYUNG IS GIVEN SPACE TO GROOVE!
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The last bit of BITS is like what A Nightmare To Remember should be like. The continuum is there, Mangini goes absolutely apeshit and hits about 4 things at a time and it's so god-damned dark. They really cracked heavy DT with that one.
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I can't say too much about whether I like the album or not, I usually have to listen a few times for an album to grow on me, but WOW, Bridges in the Sky is awesome!
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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what the fuck is this "noch unveröffentlicht!" shit? the stream is gone.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. I'd say that should put the debate to rest..... but I'm sure it won't.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
i'd like to hear this too... there is nothing of Mangini doing anything like this on ADTOE. There is hardly anything polyrhythmic on the album at all.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
i'd like to hear this too... there is nothing of Mangini doing anything like this on ADTOE. There is hardly anything polyrhythmic on the album at all.
This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. there you go.
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I've only spent a couple of minutes skimming through the songs, but the first thing I heard in Breaking All Illusions actually sounded like a fairly melodic bassline. Holy shit! That makes me very happy. I've really missed JMX as a contributing member of the band.
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Structurally it makes more sense to me for the "BUILD. ME. UP" to be the chorus, with the part before it the pre-chorus. It feels like it leads to what I call the chorus, rather than resolving on its own. The idea of an "after chorus" doesn't make much sense to me.
Especially if we look at the outro. It plays the "pre-chorus" once, then repeats the "chorus" a few times to finish off the song. I don't think it makes sense to play a chorus, then repeat an after chorus. In a song designed to be a straight forward single, you repeat the chorus. As I said, structurally it only makes sense one way.
Anyway, that's my reasoning. But it sounds like the big screamy bit is the chorus to me.
I don't know. Structurally, I can see what you mean, but... when I was actually listening to the song, I can say with 100% certainty that the 'you build me up, you break me down, until I'm falling to pieces' part felt like the chorus to me.
It felt kind of like Prophets of Wars to me -- I know it's a weird comparison, and not very accurate, but it's the best example that springs to mind. "Is it time to make a change? Are we closer than before? Is it time to break away? Are we profiting from war?" Followed by a crowd chanting section. In that song, the profiting from war lines definitely felt like the chorus, and the crowd chanting definitely felt like a sort of second chorus, or 'after-chorus', just definitely not the primary focus.
That's basically how I felt the BMU BMD chorus flowed.
Edited for duncan's sake. :)
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I'd like to see more quote trees, I don't think this thread as enough
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. I'd say that should put the debate to rest..... but I'm sure it won't.
I can't hear the bass drum very well in this recording, but I think we are once again confusing different rhythmic motifs with "time signatures". At 3:00, he seems to just be playing in 4/4, then switching after a few bars to 7/8.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. I'd say that should put the debate to rest..... but I'm sure it won't.
I can't hear the bass drum very well in this recording, but I think we are once again confusing different rhythmic motifs with "time signatures". At 3:00, he seems to just be playing in 4/4, then switching after a few bars to 7/8.
exactly
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. I'd say that should put the debate to rest..... but I'm sure it won't.
I can't hear the bass drum very well in this recording, but I think we are once again confusing different rhythmic motifs with "time signatures". At 3:00, he seems to just be playing in 4/4, then switching after a few bars to 7/8.
If that's what you think then O.K.
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anybody else not able to access the stream right now??
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I can't access it either. Which I personally appreciate, because I was getting too tempted to listen more.
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The outro on BAI. :hefdaddy
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The keyboard solo at the end of LNF :hefdaddy
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The outro on BAI. :hefdaddy
It's true...... and then some.
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If that's what you think then O.K.
If you're so positive I'm wrong, outline to me what he's playing here. Don't worry about me not understanding; I may not be a drummer, but I am a musician.
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
I was just about to post that. I completely agree .
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i'd like to hear this too... there is nothing of Mangini doing anything like this on ADTOE. There is hardly anything polyrhythmic on the album at all.
I'll try to give you a hint.
BAI- somewhere around 2'30", where the guys play the "main riff" with no lyrics.
The main riff is in 7/8 + 6/8 + 5/8 + 7/8.
Mangini plays the same part as in the 1st verse but here he superimposes a 4/8 riff played with the hi-hat. (that has alos a triplet feel, by the way.)
By the way, not only the time signature is different, but the dynamics as well.
And everything is so smooth you didn't even realize...
Hint given, I'm sure you can find many others along the disc.
Have fun
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
agreed.
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This is without a doubt my favorite Dream Theater album of all time. Great blend of what worked in 'old DT' and what worked for 'new DT' while feeling like home.
+And I also thought BMUBMD was a very catchy tune! (needed shout out since I dont see this song getting much love)
+The ballads are BEAUTIFUL, absolutely emotional, the negative space of the songs are just as powerful as the music itself.
+Like many have said, JMX and JLB were very refresshing this time around and stood out more than usually which is a very welcomed change. BEst vocal styling of any DT album in my opinion. :yarr
+Very consistent album, all the songs are fantastic.
In conclusion, this album is right above I&W for me which akes it my number one album of all time. I liked BC&SL but I never got that vibe from the album as a whole as I did with this one. Classic album. :metal
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
Not even close.
Outcry>BAI
And Outcry is somewhere around 10th place for me atm. BAI is in the region of 15-18ish, around UAGM. LTL is my #1 DT song, the two songs don't even come close. BAI has aged a little bad since I heard it first and was blown away, it's a 9.75ish atm.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. I'd say that should put the debate to rest..... but I'm sure it won't.
Ok, that is one of the most amazing things i've ever seen. Seriously. I'm a drummer and can play the 4/4, 3/4 clave/poly, but I've never seen anyone play like that.
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
Not even close.
Outcry>BAI
And Outcry is somewhere around 10th place for me atm. BAI is in the region of 15-18ish, around UAGM. LTL is my #1 DT song, the two songs don't even come close.
Meh. I've always thought LtL was sorta overrated anyway. Top 25 song for sure, but BAI for me is top 10.
About Outcry, love that song as well. The instrumental section has a different sort of insanity in it than The Dance of Eternity or Metropolis, but I really dig it.
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If that's what you think then O.K.
If you're so positive I'm wrong, outline to me what he's playing here. Don't worry about me not understanding; I may not be a drummer, but I am a musician.
I just said if that's what you think then O.K. There's no point in arguing it out. If you think it's 4/4 then that's what you think. I hear something different and I hear that all over the album. If you check out some of Mike's older videos it's easier to hear because on some of them he breaks it down. Just starts with his feet and adds hands. Other than that I love his Drumming. That's about it.
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
agreed.
Agreed. And LTL was my favorite DT song before this along with ACoS, Octavarium, ITPOTE Pt. I, TCOT
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This video 3:00 and on listen to multiple time signatures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72WI51vCo8 Different ones with each hand and the feet. 3 separate ones. I'd say that should put the debate to rest..... but I'm sure it won't.
Ok, that is one of the most amazing things i've ever seen. Seriously. I'm a drummer and can play the 4/4, 3/4 clave/poly, but I've never seen anyone play like that.
Yeah, that was really insane. :|
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If I had to rank my albums as of now:
1. SDOIT
2. ADTOE
3. FII
4. SFAM
5. I&W
6. TOT
7. Awake
8. BCSL
9. 8VM
10. WDADU
11. SC
ADTOE was much better than I expected. I was hoping it would make top 5, but it's the best album, other than SDOIT.
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Still haven't listened to it. Trying to last until I go to Barnes & Noble on Tuesday and pick it up.
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I just said if that's what you think then O.K. There's no point in arguing it out. If you think it's 4/4 then that's what you think. I hear something different and I hear that all over the album. If you check out some of Mike's older videos it's easier to hear because on some of them he breaks it down. Just starts with his feet and adds hands. Other than that I love his Drumming. That's about it.
I'm just saying that music theory is a science defined well enough that you would be able to explain the three conflicting time signatures, if they were there.
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I can't believe how people rush in making such final comments about an album of this complexity. This is a wonderful record which needs lots of deep and pleasent listenings.
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wait....it's out already?
HNNNNG HOLY SHIT. MUST GO BUY.
er wait. Nevermind. Some of the posts made it seem that way. I hadn't checked the release date in several months and kind of forgot.
DAMN.
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I just said if that's what you think then O.K. There's no point in arguing it out. If you think it's 4/4 then that's what you think. I hear something different and I hear that all over the album. If you check out some of Mike's older videos it's easier to hear because on some of them he breaks it down. Just starts with his feet and adds hands. Other than that I love his Drumming. That's about it.
I'm just saying that music theory is a science defined well enough that you would be able to explain the three conflicting time signatures, if they were there.
You're right, they're not there. It's all 4/4
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3rd full listen of the album, and I love it immensly!
It's very hard to rank the songs, the ranking changes after every listen...
Currently
1) Breaking all Illusions/ Lost Not Forgotten (best solo and instrumental parts IMHO)
3) Outcry/ Beneath the surface
5) Far From Heaven/ Bridges in the sky/ On the Back of Angels
8) This is the life/ BMUBMD
The only things I don't love are:
- Solos in BITS
- Some vocal parts in BMUBMD (but I really love the outro...)
- TITL is the only "sometimes boring" song (I don't like 12/8 ballads in general..even though this is not always in 12/8 of course...)
The single thing I'll be missing are the "bad" reviews of the "supposed fans". It will be very hard to give this album a negative vote unless you really have a very very very strong prejudice against DT.
But I've already read a few fun things..
1) "Mangini is no different that MP". OMG. The difference in dynamics is astonishing (MP only plays loud...MM anything from soft -BAI- to extremely heavy and wild - end of BITS), and so is the difference in style (the unisons with other instruments...never heard from MP) and the polyrithms (e.g. the example in BAI mentioned above)
2) "BMUBMD = You not me". ???????
3) "Rudess plays always the some stuff". LOL. Really loud.
4) "DT always play the some old stuff and they are boring". AH AH AH. I know tons of band that start a song with a sort of Australian horn, followed by a Gregorian chours that suddenly turns into a 3/4+4/4 + 3/5 + 5/4 smoooth and heavy riff, interrupted by two beautifull melodic chourses and then by a middle-eastern solo section, ending with a videogame soundtrack and the craziest drumming ever heard.
5) "DT are not technical at all". Yes, of course. Go and play the tickle section in LNF and then come back here baby. I think they put that part there just because they got sicks of babies complaining that they are not tha good.
well, that's it.
I'm going for the 4th round!
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The funky beat in the beginning of the instrumental of BAI (where the snippet ended) doesn't get enough love ITT.
Hell, if I was producing the album, those two measures would be repeated over and over again until the second chorus.
That's actually the one part of the album that I went WTF? when I first heard. Took me quite a lot of listens to really get past that and feel it as part of the song (I guess I just wasn't expecting that after the snippet...).
Anyway, now I've already listened to the album a little over 10 times and my opinions on some songs have changed a little:
1- On the Backs of Angels - Still there, still awesome. In comparison with some of the other songs, however, loses a little bit... 9/10-->8.5/10
2- Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Still good, but has lost a little its edge to me. Maybe I just haven't been in the right mood for it... 8/10-->7/10
3- Lost Not Forgotten - Wow, I really lost a lot of this one on my first listen. Much better song than I first thought. 7/10-->8.5/10
4- This is the Life - Whenever I listen to it I discover more to love. The progression is absolutely amazing! 9/10--> 9.5/10 (maybe 10/10...)
5- Bridges in the Sky - Amazing song, got better with time, but was already great. 8.5/10-->9/10, at least
6- Outcry - Started strong and really grew on me. 8.5/10-->9.5/10, at least.
7- Far From Heaven - Beautiful and simple as before. 10/10-->10/10
8- Breaking All Illusions - Still an awesome song, but the initial impact has softened a little with multiple listens. 10/10-->9.5/10
9- Beneath the Surface - Not much has changed for this one either, in my opinion, as great as at first listen (though it feels great to anticipate the last chorus!) 9.5/10-->9.5/10
Taking all the ratings together, the album rose 1.5 (+3-1.5) on a 100 scale.
Some extra things I noticed:
-JLB sounds absolutely amazing on this album.
-Rudess and his compositions really shine
-Haven't gotten to really focusing on their parts yet, but the rest of the guys seem to also be at the top of their game.
-THIS ALBUM IS SO VARIED!!! Seriously, no song feels like the other, even the ballads are very unique...
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My album rankings as of now:
1. I&W
2. SFAM
3. SDOIT
4. ADTOE
5. FII
6. BCSL
7. TOT
8. Awake
9. 8vm
10. WDADU
11. SC
ADTOE isn't THAT good... it doesn't give me the same feeling the holy trinity of album does... it's a solid 9.25/10-ish though.. SO FAR.
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I just said if that's what you think then O.K. There's no point in arguing it out. If you think it's 4/4 then that's what you think. I hear something different and I hear that all over the album. If you check out some of Mike's older videos it's easier to hear because on some of them he breaks it down. Just starts with his feet and adds hands. Other than that I love his Drumming. That's about it.
I'm just saying that music theory is a science defined well enough that you would be able to explain the three conflicting time signatures, if they were there.
It is quite hard to pick out all the time signatures in things like this, but very easy to tell when things are a different time signature because it has a distinct "off" feel. From listening, I believe I heard 15/8 and 4/4, although there was one that wasn't clear enough to pick out.
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Controversial comment incoming:
BAI >>>>>>> LtL
My take on this would be that BAI has parts which top LTL - the part outlined in the snippet, with the lead-up to the first chorus and the first chorus itself, completely blows me away, and I really loved BAI's last two minutes as well. But as a whole, I think Learning to Live is a better song. It's more focused, more cohesive, less rambly (I'm sorry to put it that way, because I loved BAI to pieces, but I did feel that the instrumental section went in a few too many directions), and more emotional. BAI maybe peaks higher, but it's less consistent.
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ITT only drummers "get" how fucking ridiculous MM's playing is.
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with this guy? How the FUCK can you play in 3 time signatures at the same goddamned time? That is some serious Rainman shit and I won't be surprised if he's diagnosed with some bizarre brain tumor later in life that allows him that degree of separation. Anyone here play drums? We know how "independence" works but for fuck's sake, how the hell is he doing some of that shit on Outcry and LNF? Even more mind blowing is that it's not "in your face" ala MP but so subtle that people are saying his playing is "stock" on this album. I crapped myself about 45 seconds into the instrumental of Outcry. People, drummers don't play like this, they just don't. It's too hard to pay attention to the separate parts and stay in the pocket, but there MM is, on LNF, totally in the pocket, grooving to the beat of the song but alternating his other hand/foot to unison between JR and JMX's lines. Let me say again for emphasis What. The. Fuck. This is NOT normal, even among prog drummers, and I don't even know if it can be learned - it seems like one of those "either you can do it or not" things.
Also, sorry MP, but MM's subtleties are a better match to JMX's style and we're sure to see some very impressive things from the rhythm section the more they play together.
ALSO: PIANO, YAY!!!!
By "three different time signatures", the guy probably meant the way that MM is able to accentuate multiple melodic lines with his playing, as he does in OTBOA at 2:10. Proves the guy has no idea what he's talking about, but he's right in that it is RIDICULOUS this guy can play like that.
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3 time signatures means as an example playing in 2/4,5/8,and15/16th's at the same time. Mangini can do that. The guy does know what he's talking about. I know this because we're drummers.
Exactly. It's not simply accenting the other performers. I'm really looking forward to getting more time with this album so I absorb these nuances of MMs playing! It will be like listening to a prog metal version of Vinnie Colaiuta... I'm sure that's why MP said that MM could play things he wasn't physically capable of. He wasn't just talking about speed.
Here's a link to the "Polyrythm" wiki where theres a couple audio/visual examples of a 3/4 against 4/4 polyrythm, and then just picture doing that with more complicated time signatures and possibly with more than two limbs... Amazing!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm)
I know what polyrhythm is, man. I'm asking for an example (a recording) of Mangini playing 3 time signatures at once, because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I know virtually nothing about music theory, so I'm not going to argue about anything, but I do remember what MM said in an interview a while back:
In an interview with drummagazine he said this about Outcry:
"While multi time signature shifts were going on, I was playing in a time signature that was completely different from those with one limb on one side of my body."
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I can't believe how people rush in making such final comments about an album of this complexity. This is a wonderful record which needs lots of deep and pleasent listenings.
Very true. Most of us are guilty of doing such things before (I have done it before), but I am gonna try not to this time around. I can't imagine where I would put some of these songs on my favorites list; it is way too early to compare them to, or even say they are better than, tried and true classics. Only time will tell. I suspect that once the dust clears, this album will probably sit in the 4-6 range for me. Just a guess.
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I just said if that's what you think then O.K. There's no point in arguing it out. If you think it's 4/4 then that's what you think. I hear something different and I hear that all over the album. If you check out some of Mike's older videos it's easier to hear because on some of them he breaks it down. Just starts with his feet and adds hands. Other than that I love his Drumming. That's about it.
I'm just saying that music theory is a science defined well enough that you would be able to explain the three conflicting time signatures, if they were there.
It is quite hard to pick out all the time signatures in things like this, but very easy to tell when things are a different time signature because it has a distinct "off" feel. From listening, I believe I heard 15/8 and 4/4, although there was one that wasn't clear enough to pick out.
I'm hearing 3/4 on his feet.
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I just said if that's what you think then O.K. There's no point in arguing it out. If you think it's 4/4 then that's what you think. I hear something different and I hear that all over the album. If you check out some of Mike's older videos it's easier to hear because on some of them he breaks it down. Just starts with his feet and adds hands. Other than that I love his Drumming. That's about it.
I'm just saying that music theory is a science defined well enough that you would be able to explain the three conflicting time signatures, if they were there.
It is quite hard to pick out all the time signatures in things like this, but very easy to tell when things are a different time signature because it has a distinct "off" feel. From listening, I believe I heard 15/8 and 4/4, although there was one that wasn't clear enough to pick out.
I'm hearing 3/4 on his feet.
Yeah, that was the one I couldn't pick out cause I couldn't hear the bass drum so well, haha.
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Firsst listen to the digital download i got as part of the ltd edition box set. Excellent stuff. More symphonic touches from Jordan!! :metal
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Ok, after second listen I have a few things to say.
The album is definitely better on second listen. Also, regarding the songs, I love the piano and strings on so many of these songs, as well as some really, really effective use of hammond, particularly on the solo on Breaking All Illusions, and regarding the piano and strings, Far From Heaven is great for both.
I was listening to Outcry on the second listen, and by the end I was convinced it had the definite potential to be my favourite on the album... A few minutes later, BAI comes on. Sorry Outcry, but BAI is just... Well, I love all the songs JM has done lyrics on, and this is no different. BAI lives up to their legacy.
Too many epic moments to list, and a kick arse moog solo on Beneath The Surface...
Yeah, I love this album. I find it to be LaBrie's strongest in a long time, and it's nice to hear JM playing like that again. Also, I'm glad Rudess gave us such varied keyboard sounds even when soloing.
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I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but after one listen, I think it's very clear that JLB spent more time personally constructing the vocal lines. Definitely some similarities with his work on Static Impulse.
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I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but after one listen, I think it's very clear that JLB spent more time personally constructing the vocal lines. Definitely some similarities with his work on Static Impulse.
I read in an interview that James did spend a lot of time pulling vocal construction and melodies off of the instruments especially keyboards. It is very much like his solo work which is really good BTW. He's awesome on this album.
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wait....it's out already?
HNNNNG HOLY SHIT. MUST GO BUY.
er wait. Nevermind. Some of the posts made it seem that way. I hadn't checked the release date in several months and kind of forgot.
DAMN.
It's out in quite a lot of countries, mostly because of distributors fail.
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You know, I had to go back and read the archived announcement of Portnoy's departure. The attitude sure is different. Hell, some saying DT should've just quit at that point are gigantic fans of the album, haha.
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Is it me, or is there a whole lot more through-composition on this album than what we've seen in the past? It certainly makes since that with MP's departure we'd be seeing a significant change in song composition and structure, but this is more dramatic than I had anticipated.
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Perhaps it's A Dramatic Change Of Composition?
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2 questions,
Where's this "tickle" section that everyone is talking about?
Where's the final fantasy theme in BITS?
Oh and I think BAI is my favorite song of all time by DT.
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2 questions,
Where's this "tickle" section that everyone is talking about?
Where's the final fantasy theme in BITS?
Oh and I think BAI is my favorite song of all time by DT.
1:58 - 2:30 in LNF, the crazy unison
Right after the first "Shaman take my hand"
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My 10 cents;
I've been into DreamTheater for 20 years. I've been around this forum and Mike's for sometime now. I must say this album is by far the best thing in YEARS. Now, what gives me the right to say that and have that statement hold weight to it. Well, because I said it, and I stand by it. I'm absolutely sick to death of the DT naysayers. DT didn’t do this, or didn’t do that, or this isn’t the way I like the production or Mike’s not on the CD so it sucks. Well to all naysayers……………..BLOW!!!!!! :tdwn To all that are with me, :tup take pleasure in the fact that you’re listening to a master piece.
Good day all. ;)
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2 questions,
Where's this "tickle" section that everyone is talking about?
Where's the final fantasy theme in BITS?
Oh and I think BAI is my favorite song of all time by DT.
1:58 - 2:30 in LNF, the crazy unison
Right after the first "Shaman take my hand"
God damn that is an intense unison... How the hell are they gonna pull that live? Oh wait it's DT
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2 questions,
Where's this "tickle" section that everyone is talking about?
Where's the final fantasy theme in BITS?
Oh and I think BAI is my favorite song of all time by DT.
1:58 - 2:30 in LNF, the crazy unison
Right after the first "Shaman take my hand"
God damn that is an intense unison... How the hell are they gonna pull that live? Oh wait it's DT
If they can pull off the Instrumedley live, then they have a chance at this. I think seeing songs from this album live will absolutely make people's brains explode.
They actually were wondering that themselves in an interview, can't remember where though.
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I'm warming up to it much more after more listens. I didn't enjoy the first two listens at all, which it weird because usually DT sounds good to me at first listen.
There seems to be a big payoff in investing into this album's tracks. BMUBMD though.. I like You Not Me better than that. 'Breaking all Illusions', I agree with everyone that's saying it's one of their better songs. And I've only heard it 5 times.
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I live in New Jersey and the album was available at my local record store. This album is SOOOOOOO good. It beats BC&SL, and the last 4 albums by a long shot. Not sure if it beats I&W, Scenes or SDoIT, but it definitely beats Awake
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MP's comments on the album thus far
Well done Thiago....great post and spot on!
I *immediately* noticed everything you wrote about upon my first listen...
and found it all incredibly strange...
If they are indeed intentional "nuggets", then I guess that's a pretty cool idea...
However, if they were desperate attempts of secretly re-writing the past...hmm, maybe not so much...
I guess only they will know the real reason for it....
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MP's comments on the album thus far
Well done Thiago....great post and spot on!
I *immediately* noticed everything you wrote about upon my first listen...
and found it all incredibly strange...
If they are indeed intentional "nuggets", then I guess that's a pretty cool idea...
However, if they were desperate attempts of secretly re-writing the past...hmm, maybe not so much...
I guess only they will know the real reason for it....
lol
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That happened way quicker than I expected.
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I don't want to turn it into an MP thread, just how he noticed similarities too. And also, I don't know if the album sounds like I&W. I haven't heard the album yet, just a few have been pointing out similarities
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My 10 cents;
I've been into DreamTheater for 20 years. I've been around this forum and Mike's for sometime now. I must say this album is by far the best thing in YEARS. Now, what gives me the right to say that and have that statement hold weight to it. Well, because I said it, and I stand by it. I'm absolutely sick to death of the DT naysayers. DT didn’t do this, or didn’t do that, or this isn’t the way I like the production or Mike’s not on the CD so it sucks. Well to all naysayers……………..BLOW!!!!!! :tdwn To all that are with me, :tup take pleasure in the fact that you’re listening to a master piece.
Good day all. ;)
Excellent first post. I'm with you, brother!
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Major LOL statement by Portnoy there.
First off, borrowing from yourselves is a lot better than borrowing from others, and every single DT album that Portnoy was a co-producer of, had MULTIPLE examples of riffs or melodies that many suggested they had borrowed from other bands. Borrowing from yourself if no big deal, and is actually done in art all of the time. It is like how directors have certain trademarks (like Tarantino is known for the car trunk shot, like the angle is that of someone in a trunk staring up at the people standing outside of it). It is no big deal.
Second, him wondering out loud if DT was trying to secretly re-write the past is a cheap shot.
Also, INB4 ariich, the eternal optimist, puts the most positive spin possible on his post. :biggrin:
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Is it possible to throw Portnoy's thing in its own thread? While I find his comment interesting (in good and bad ways), it'd be nice to still have a thread where we can talk about the album rather than a dude who's not even in the band anymore.
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Is it possible to throw Portnoy's thing in its own thread? While I find his comment interesting (in good and bad ways), it'd be nice to still have a thread where we can talk about the album rather than a dude who's not even in the band anymore.
Agreed. Let's keep this thread positive and about the new, great album! :tup :tup
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Is it possible to throw Portnoy's thing in its own thread? While I find his comment interesting (in good and bad ways), it'd be nice to still have a thread where we can talk about the album rather than a dude who's not even in the band anymore.
I didn't want it to turn into. I probably shouldn't have posted it.
Let's carry on
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MP's comments on the album thus far
Well done Thiago....great post and spot on!
I *immediately* noticed everything you wrote about upon my first listen...
and found it all incredibly strange...
If they are indeed intentional "nuggets", then I guess that's a pretty cool idea...
However, if they were desperate attempts of secretly re-writing the past...hmm, maybe not so much...
I guess only they will know the real reason for it....
What's the source? Any link?
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Is it possible to throw Portnoy's thing in its own thread? While I find his comment interesting (in good and bad ways), it'd be nice to still have a thread where we can talk about the album rather than a dude who's not even in the band anymore.
When you're already at the point of calling Mike Portnoy "some dude who's not even in the band anymore" I can't say I have any faith in a new thread being anything but MP bash v.145. :\
That said, all I can say is "oh MP. When will you learn?" I think his mouth should put a restraining order on his foot, so they stay separated a while.
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I think his mouth should put a restraining order on his foot, so they stay separated a while.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
MP business aside, I just love that line.
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Should probably stay in this thread for now as it is the sanctioned thread. MP, you make me always want to :facepalm:
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Should probably stay in this thread for now as it is the sanctioned thread. MP, you make me always want to :facepalm:
Eh, crap, you're right.
Okay, let's try this then.
Some people that aren't MP have also said that DT's trying to capture their old sound and failing. Why would anyone think that. And for those who think it's natural and not forced, why would you say that? If we're doomed to talk about this, let's at least make it constructive.
Also, what was the post MP replied to, since it gives context for what he said? I have no idea where to find it.
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I don't get that either. I don't find they're trying to capture their old sound at all, but rather add onto it.
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I think part of the issue is that people have noted similarities in song structures between ADToE and I&W. I know that OtBoA and PMU supposedly have identical structure, and I know people have mentioned other connected songs. I personally don't quite get it, but that's just because it's a little over my head.
If there are indeed similar or identical strong structures, that could lend support to people's ideas that maybe they're trying to 'recapture the magic.' Like, with PMU being the band's first real breakthrough song, the band might be trying to accomplish that again by mimicking the song's structure with OtBoA.
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Also, what was the post MP replied to, since it gives context for what he said? I have no idea where to find it.
Just found it myself.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/fb.ashx?m=2706658
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I don't get that either. I don't find they're trying to capture their old sound at all, but rather add onto it.
QFT
My fiancee has listened to every Dream Theater album, beginning to end, at least 2 times (except ADTOE at 1 time). She likes Dream Theater, but they're hardly in her top 10 bands/musicians. On previous albums she said "oh, more metal". When I played the BITS snippet, she said "oh, TDEN". When I played the album for her she was like "Oh wow, I was wrong about that song." "Christian, didn't that sound like something Gentle Giant would do? Or Spock's Beard?" "That really sounds jazzy". I mean, there were a FOUNTAIN of these comments. When else did the sexy woman make these astute observations? Listening to Awake, I&W and WDADU. "That's like a HUGE Rush song" (WDADU as an album).
I went back to the part she said was Gentle Giant-ish (I think it was in the beginning parts of BAI, I could be wrong), and it did sound like Gentle Giant. But they aren't wearing that influence on their sleeve. As much as it was most likely a GG trade-off influence, EVERYTHING about it was Dream Theater.
I suppose I'm digging my hole deeper, but I'm saying this album feels VERY progressive and Dream Theater really appear to be pulling from their prog roots. Their own or others.
One can only hope that Jordan would cover an entire Gentle Giant album :biggrin:
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Here is the post MP replied to:
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
"Well done Thiago....great post and spot on!
I *immediately* noticed everything you wrote about upon my first listen...
and found it all incredibly strange...
If they are indeed intentional "nuggets", then I guess that's a pretty cool idea...
However, if they were desperate attempts of secretly re-writing the past...hmm, maybe not so much...
I guess only they will know the real reason for it.... "
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2666577-p100.aspx
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After listening to the album for a few days, here are a few random thoughts. It's still early and the album will only get better the more you listen to it.
I don't know what it is but I'm not totally feeling this album just yet. As I said, it will problaby get better in time but to me, every song except the ballads and Illusions sounds almost exactly the same. They start with an odd intro and to then suddenly get extremely heavy with big riffs going on. The keyboards are a bit over-dramatic for my taste. They don't always have to have a choir sound to be good. It comes off as rather cheesy in places actually. When the verses come, the keyboards tone down but the heavy "riffing" is still going on while Labrie is trying to sound as tough and brutal as he possibly can. (Lost Not Forgotten best example).
The choruses are a bit weak I think. It feels like you're sitting there waiting for that high point to come but it never does. The instrumental sections are on the other hand some of their best since...well, ever. Really creative, intense and just plain cool. You never know where they might go next.
At this point, Breaking All Illusions is the only song to me that feels creative in terms of actual songwriting, the other ones seems to follow a very straight and similar path, I'm having a time seperating all the tracks as they sound so much alike with the heavy riffs and toned down verses. Oh well, gonna keep listening and maybe find other good pieces.
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Okay, now I actually have context, I kinda sorta agree with Portnoy? Aside from the fact that Thiago's comparisons are pretty dead on, Portnoy was part of writing Images and Words. I think he'd be more qualified than most of the posters here at understanding the underlying dynamics of the songs. OTBOA even has the same keys as PMU, just with the verse and chorus keys inverted.
The weird thing is was, is it intentional or not? On one hand, the similarities are so numerous and exact they can't really be coincidence. On the other hand, I can't imagine DT doing it intentionally then honestly thinking the fans wouldn't notice.
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Okay, now I actually have context, I kinda sorta agree with Portnoy? Aside from the fact that Thiago's comparisons are pretty dead on, Portnoy was part of writing Images and Words. I think he'd be more qualified than most of the posters here at understanding the underlying dynamics of the songs. OTBOA even has the same keys as PMU, just with the verse and chorus keys inverted.
The weird thing is was, is it intentional or not? On one hand, the similarities are so numerous and exact they can't really be coincidence. On the other hand, I can't imagine DT doing it intentionally then honestly thinking the fans wouldn't notice.
But it's desperate if that's what they were trying to do? Hardly.
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hahahaha wow
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Okay, now I actually have context, I kinda sorta agree with Portnoy? Aside from the fact that Thiago's comparisons are pretty dead on, Portnoy was part of writing Images and Words. I think he'd be more qualified than most of the posters here at understanding the underlying dynamics of the songs. OTBOA even has the same keys as PMU, just with the verse and chorus keys inverted.
The weird thing is was, is it intentional or not? On one hand, the similarities are so numerous and exact they can't really be coincidence. On the other hand, I can't imagine DT doing it intentionally then honestly thinking the fans wouldn't notice.
the only things that sound similar really are structure, not really melodies or other elements, and that's not something I have a problem with.
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On the other hand, I can't imagine DT doing it intentionally then honestly thinking the fans wouldn't notice.
I don't see why we would have to assume that they would hope we wouldn't notice. Couldn't they have done it with the intention of having it noticed?
the only things that sound similar really are structure, not really melodies or other elements, and that's not something I have a problem with.
Also, this. Like I said, song structure is a little over my head, so all that matters to me is that the songs SOUND new. Which they do, to me.
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Well my humble opinion of people who think the guys are trying and failing to regain their old sound and form and failing are just plain wrong.
First off, there is nothing wrong with getting back to the core of what made you good. What does a sports team do when they are having issues or just want to get better? They get back to the fundamentals. Now if you read into everything, it was really Portnoy that pulled them out of what the guys wanted to do. Now of course they looked kind of weak for not putting their collective foot down, but that's their decision as how to keep peace in the family. However, when Portnoy gave them the sebatical ultimatum I think the collective light bulb went off. "Bye Now".
So anyways, don't think DT did the album the way they did to make the fans happy. JP has said many times that they absolutely love their fans but they write and play what they WANT to write and play.
This is one of the most polished, artful pieces of music they ever did. The creativity is astounding. There's one JP solo where he goes from rock to jazz to prog all in the same short piece seamlessly... Amazing. Every musician has raised it up a notch higher than ever before, and what do you hear.... a lot of complaining. People get very spoiled and just take what these guys do for granted. Nobody else could even possibly do what they do. They just want more and more and nothing is good enough or right enough for them.
This is Dream Theater's album (gift to us) and we should all be glad we're even able to hear something this awesome. I'm very thankful.... how about you?
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But it's desperate if that's what they were trying to do? Hardly.
Desperate is indeed not the right word.
I don't see why we would have to assume that they would hope we wouldn't notice. Couldn't they have done it with the intention of having it noticed?
True.
the only things that sound similar really are structure, not really melodies or other elements, and that's not something I have a problem with.
I don't exactly have a problem with it either, but on the other hand song structure is very important in terms of how the song feels. Even before I realized all of LNF was structured similarly to UAGM, I remember listening to the last chorus and thinking "Oh, this is cool, it's like UAGM."
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Okay, now I actually have context, I kinda sorta agree with Portnoy? Aside from the fact that Thiago's comparisons are pretty dead on, Portnoy was part of writing Images and Words. I think he'd be more qualified than most of the posters here at understanding the underlying dynamics of the songs. OTBOA even has the same keys as PMU, just with the verse and chorus keys inverted.
The weird thing is was, is it intentional or not? On one hand, the similarities are so numerous and exact they can't really be coincidence. On the other hand, I can't imagine DT doing it intentionally then honestly thinking the fans wouldn't notice.
Intentional or not, who cares? Just because it is a unique song structure, as opposed to the basic "verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo or bridge-chorus x 3,4,5" structure, doesn't make it wrong to reuse it. Do bands get criticized for constantly using the basic song structure over and over? Of course not. Neither should DT for possibly reusing a structure that they themselves invented!
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Dream theater have also said in interviews that they love how devoted and attentive their fans are, and JP (or JLB, not sure which) recently acknowledged in an interview that he knew the fans would pick the album apart, for better or worse.
I agree that the album is good, but I also don't think there's anything disloyal about complaining about things.
Do bands get criticized for constantly using the basic song structure over and over? Of course not.
Well, actually, they do. The entire pop genre gets criticized for that. Quite frequently, really. But I do get your point.
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Dream theater have also said in interviews that they love how devoted and attentive their fans are, and JP (or JLB, not sure which) recently acknowledged in an interview that he knew the fans would pick the album apart, for better or worse.
I agree that the album is good, but I also don't think there's anything disloyal about complaining about things.
There's a big difference between constructive criticism and whining and complaining. There definitely are people here that are very respectful in their criticism and then there definitely are the whiners. Never enough. Just because you can say anything you want doesn't mean you should.
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There's a big difference between constructive criticism and whining and complaining. There definitely are people here that are very respectful in their criticism and then there definitely are the whiners. Never enough. Just because you can say anything you want doesn't mean you should.
Don't mean to start an argument, but could you point me to a 'whiner' post? I've read most of this thread, and nothing has struck me as overly whiny.
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Intentional or not, who cares? Just because it is a unique song structure, as opposed to the basic "verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo or bridge-chorus x 3,4,5" structure, doesn't make it wrong to reuse it. Do bands get criticized for constantly using the basic song structure over and over? Of course not. Neither should DT for possibly reusing a structure that they themselves invented!
I'm not offended by using the structures again, I think it's interesting. But I think that when you use a specific song structure from a specific song, you're going to inevitably capture the feel of the song you took the structure from. Look at Unforgiven III. When Metallica started writing it, they weren't even intending to make another Unforgiven. But at some point they realized it was in many ways a spiritual successor to the other Unforgiven songs. And as a listener you can really tell this when the song becomes softer during the chorus, which is a highly unusual decision that gives Unforgiven I and III their unique quality.
So when you look at this in regards to DT, no matter what you do differently with the melodies/rhythms/singing/etc, simply by using the same structure as another song it's going to feel similar. This is why all intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus/outro pop songs feel somewhat the same, even though it's obviously possible to use that structure to make multiple good songs.
If you look at OTBOA, you can say completely reasonably "DT wanted to make a song with universal appeal, so they used their biggest hit as a template to increase their chance of success." Even if that's true, I don't think DT had a cynical attitude about it, and I'm not even sure if that was the intention, I wasn't there, but you couldn't be out of line to suggest it. I can understand why some people would find that disappointing.
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There's a big difference between constructive criticism and whining and complaining. There definitely are people here that are very respectful in their criticism and then there definitely are the whiners. Never enough. Just because you can say anything you want doesn't mean you should.
Don't mean to start an argument, but could you point me to a 'whiner' post? I've read most of this thread, and nothing has struck me as overly whiny.
No, because you're baiting.
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Intentional or not, who cares? Just because it is a unique song structure, as opposed to the basic "verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo or bridge-chorus x 3,4,5" structure, doesn't make it wrong to reuse it. Do bands get criticized for constantly using the basic song structure over and over? Of course not. Neither should DT for possibly reusing a structure that they themselves invented!
I'm not offended by using the structures again, I think it's interesting. But I think that when you use a specific song structure from a specific song, you're going to inevitably capture the feel of the song you took the structure from. Look at Unforgiven III. When Metallica started writing it, they weren't even intending to make another Unforgiven. But at some point they realized it was in many ways a spiritual successor to the other Unforgiven songs. And as a listener you can really tell this when the song becomes softer during the chorus, which is a highly unusual decision that gives Unforgiven I and III their unique quality.
So when you look at this in regards to DT, no matter what you do differently with the melodies/rhythms/singing/etc, simply by using the same structure as another song it's going to feel similar. This is why all intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus/outro pop songs feel somewhat the same, even though it's obviously possible to use that structure to make multiple good songs.
If you look at OTBOA, you can say completely reasonably "DT wanted to make a song with universal appeal, so they used their biggest hit as a template to increase their chance of success." Even if that's true, I don't think DT had a cynical attitude about it, and I'm not even sure if that was the intention, I wasn't there, but you couldn't be out of line to suggest it. I can understand why some people would find that disappointing.
Let's talk the Blues. Everybody uses the exact same chord progressions and nobody cares. It's, It's.... the blues.
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This isn't the first DT album with songs structured similarly to past songs.
Also, as I'm sure some people have said, it's better they reference themselves than other bands, which was very common in the past few albums.
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This isn't the first DT album with songs structured similarly to past songs.
Also, as I'm sure some people have said, it's better they reference themselves than other bands, which was very common in the past few albums.
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Yeah some songs may be similar to others structure-wise, but the vibes are completely different for the most part. Does it really have to cause such controversy?
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I'll admit that I noticed OTBOA's structural similarity to Pull Me Under at the beginning, and never discussed it here (though I did creep on the threads of others who've brought it up). I was also kind of put off by Lost Not Forgotten, which is a little too close structurally to Under a Glass Moon for comfort (what with the lead line over a bass ostinato in the introduction, the comparatively rhythmically simpler riff under the first verse, and the fast-paced chorus with halting instrumentals between each line for the chorus, for instance).
Two things, however:
1) This music is ENTIRELY original, other than the structure which harkens back to I&W days. It's not like they're quoting riffs from the 20-year old album; this is all-new. And honestly, I think people are exaggerating the similarities just because they were expecting, after having heard OTBOA and that Far From Heaven would couple nicely with Breaking all Illusions, that this album would be a new I&W.
2) Who cares? If Iron Maiden fans cried foul for each time they did the DUM-duh-duh-DUM-duh-duh-DUM-duh-duh-DUM-duh-duh riff, there wouldn't be any fans left. It's not like this band is known for unoriginality. Some parts are just going to sound similar to other parts when you have such an extensive back catalog.
For the record: it is my view that this was entirely unintentional.
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Yeah some songs may be similar to others structure-wise, but the vibes are completely different for the most part. Does it really have to cause such controversy?
I must be confused (that isn't how it is).
I wasn't aware that this WAS causing much controversy. In this thread all I've seen is some curious discussion of the idea.
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Okay, now I actually have context, I kinda sorta agree with Portnoy? Aside from the fact that Thiago's comparisons are pretty dead on, Portnoy was part of writing Images and Words. I think he'd be more qualified than most of the posters here at understanding the underlying dynamics of the songs. OTBOA even has the same keys as PMU, just with the verse and chorus keys inverted.
The weird thing is was, is it intentional or not? On one hand, the similarities are so numerous and exact they can't really be coincidence. On the other hand, I can't imagine DT doing it intentionally then honestly thinking the fans wouldn't notice.
Intentional or not, who cares? Just because it is a unique song structure, as opposed to the basic "verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo or bridge-chorus x 3,4,5" structure, doesn't make it wrong to reuse it. Do bands get criticized for constantly using the basic song structure over and over? Of course not. Neither should DT for possibly reusing a structure that they themselves invented!
Agree 100%. Almost all popular music is written to the exact same song structure and DT are being criticised for sounding like themselves? People need to get out more.
ADTOE is what DT sound like without MP directing things and strangely it has a similarity to their old stuff.
i'm just glad I don't hear any of the negatives some people are coming up with because I'm absolutely loving an awesome album here and I'm very happy with that.
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So what if it's structurally identical to I&W. Whether it was supposed to be a "nugget" or n "desperate attempt at re-writing the past", I don't care. They could re-name the album "Images and Words Redux" and it wouldn't matter. It's awesome and I love it. The DT magic is back.
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater announces their next album to be called "Asleep", which will close with a ballad written by Jordan Rudess entitled "New Suede Jacket".
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If you're feeling a bit iffy about this album, you MUST listen to it with the speakers blasting. Unlike most modern albums, you can do this without hurting your ears. It takes on a whole new energy. You can especially appreciate the dynamics and bass mix.
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If you're feeling a bit iffy about this album, you MUST listen to it with the speakers blasting. Unlike most modern albums, you can do this without hurting your ears. It takes on a whole new energy.
Glad you said that. There's a whole other level of majestic power it takes on, and you can hear the drums even better....YAY.
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If you're feeling a bit iffy about this album, you MUST listen to it with the speakers blasting. Unlike most modern albums, you can do this without hurting your ears. It takes on a whole new energy. You can especially appreciate the dynamics and bass mix.
Yes sir. I'm listening with this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-202-II-Professional/dp/B003LPTAYI
Sounds great :metal
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If you're feeling a bit iffy about this album, you MUST listen to it with the speakers blasting. Unlike most modern albums, you can do this without hurting your ears. It takes on a whole new energy. You can especially appreciate the dynamics and bass mix.
Listening with headphones did it for me. It brought the songs alive with all the embellishment that JR has put out there and the mix has allowed to be heard for once. Even OTBOA took on a new life despite my familiarity with it. I don't have a great sound system these days and thanks to the family life I wouldn't get too much time to appreciate it if I did.
Getting Andy Wallace in appears to have been a really good decision.
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Yeah some songs may be similar to others structure-wise, but the vibes are completely different for the most part. Does it really have to cause such controversy?
I must be confused (that isn't how it is).
I wasn't aware that this WAS causing much controversy. In this thread all I've seen is some curious discussion of the idea.
Not necessarily here, but people saying it was a desperate act or something is just plain silly
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I must be confused (that isn't how it is).
I wasn't aware that this WAS causing much controversy. In this thread all I've seen is some curious discussion of the idea.
Not necessarily here, but people saying it was a desperate act or something is just plain silly
I think it's fully awesome :)
Gotta love the nuggetz!
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wait a second.. how are you all listening to it now? the stream has been down all day and nobody has mentioned it but me.
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wait a second.. how are you all listening to it now? the stream has been down all day and nobody has mentioned it but me.
I lot of people, like myself, got the MP3's from RoadRunner for pre-ordering the boxset
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I think the thing I love most about this album is that everything is so fresh and consistent. Everyone in the band sounds energized, and there's not a persisting feeling of "darkness" for the sake of being dark. Even in the dark-themed songs, I can still feel a sense of energy and power.
Not a weak song on the entire album.
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I don't think the song similarities thing is a big a deal as Thiago makes it out to be. Dream Theater have always had a formula for their songs. I think before we had so much more to criticize that now we're looking for silly things to talk about. It's Dream Theater, their best songs are pretty much always on their established formula. That's what makes it Dream Theater.
The notes are not the same, and that's what matters. There's more to a song than the way the sections are arranged. Although to be honest, BAI is really original and 'breaks' the formula a bit by having so many changes and a bluesy Floydian solo in the middle.
I'm just glad I can listen to the album with a straight face and not laugh at silly lyrics and forced tough guy vocals.
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wait a second.. how are you all listening to it now? the stream has been down all day and nobody has mentioned it but me.
It's also been out for a few days in many countries.
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i really don't care if people say that there are a "nuggets" in the album. i'm liking it so far. and the audio quality of CD is way much better, i can hear the cymbals and snare much better with my studio monitors. my favorite song in this album is "breaking all illusions"
like any dream theater album, it always take me days to digest the whole catalog. i've been listening for it for a day and i'm liking what i hear. mike mangini's drumming is not disturbing me or making me ask the question "where's mike portnoy?". what's disturbing me a little is the keyboard mix, it seems that it's much louder than the guitar and that's it.
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This debate on "similarities" is simply ridicoulous.
Sounds like complaing that the music is all the same because it's always made out of the same 12 notes.
No more clever than that.
And if you think that ADTOE is similiar to I&W please share some of the booze you are drinking.
:)
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This album is incredible. For me is a masterpiece without any doubt. The best album as a whole album since Awake, which is for me their best one. Incredible songs, I like all the songs in this album. The only one that is a bit "worst" for me, is Far from heaven. My fav ones right now (it could change) are:
This is the life, Beneath the Surface, Outcry, Breaking all Illusions and Bridges in the sky. Anyway, it is really difficult for me to choose one, because I like all the songs a lot. Seriously, it is an album that is a masterpiece and a jewel for me. Amazing masterpiece.
I'm sold with this album, it is sincere and complex without being too much complex. It is a new beginning.
Maybe right now my list would be:
1- This is the life
2- Beneath the surface
3- Outcry
4- Breaking all illusions
5- Bridges in the sky
6- Lost not forgotten
7- On the backs of angels
8- Build me up, break me down
9- Far from heaven
Anyway, from 1 to 8, it could be all the songs at the same number one. It is just to make a list.
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This debate on "similarities" is simply ridicoulous.
Sounds like complaing that the music is all the same because it's always made out of the same 12 notes.
No more clever than that.
And if you think that ADTOE is similiar to I&W please share some of the booze you are drinking.
:)
I've not really heard anyone "complaining" about it, just acknowledging it. And in my case even appreciating it.
I also think if you're expecting them to sound the same, then you're missing the point. It's all about the structure, ie verse - chorus - verse - solo, etc
And when it comes to structure I don't see how anyone can deny the similarities, but as I said I think it's a great idea and it worked really well
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I don't think the song similarities thing is a big a deal as Thiago makes it out to be.
/conversation
If you actually look into it, yes there are a few songs which are incredibly similar in structure, but other songs such as Bridges in the Sky, which follow that "rough guideline" he talks about, actually bare minimal resemblance in structure.
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and yeah don't bother getting the DVD if you have raped the replay button in the youtube documentary like me. there's nothing new in the DVD but that's just me :)
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Bull crap is too clean to compare to the negative reviews I've seen of this album as a whole so far.
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how 'bout the packaging with the DVD? Anything special 'bout it?
Think I'm gonna wait til Tuesday to listent to the album on the US release date, I don't trust the sound quality of these streams.
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Anyone got a good Transcript of the lyrics?
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Anyone got a good Transcript of the lyrics?
the album insert with the CD had all lyrics to the song. i can scan and post it here but i may be breaking the forum rules.
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how 'bout the packaging with the DVD? Anything special 'bout it?
Think I'm gonna wait til Tuesday to listent to the album on the US release date, I don't trust the sound quality of these streams.
i have the album already. unfortunately there's nothing new in the DVD that you haven't seen in the youtube documentary
(https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6131548267_6db47ae911_z.jpg)
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
Yeah, we did discuss that some pages ago, as well as Portnoy's response to that article.
On other news, Far from Heaven really grows on you. And can I hear some bass on there?
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
This should have been posted at AREA 51. In fact the idea was thought up by Ancient Aliens
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
No Offence to Portnoy but who cares what he thinks anymore? He is in the past, he chose to leave end of story.
This album is by far the best DT album in a long time and I think that is what is getting under his skin a bit.
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I just noticed that on the picture of the band, between This is the life and Bridges in the sky, there is once again the unicycle-guy in the background
:hefdaddy
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Anyone got a good Transcript of the lyrics?
back of the angels and build me up break me down lyrics
https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6134610872_ff4b262032_o.jpg (https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6134610872_ff4b262032_o.jpg)
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
Yeah, we did discuss that some pages ago, as well as Portnoy's response to that article.
On other news, Far from Heaven really grows on you. And can I hear some bass on there?
oh did not read that page... care to share it? ;D
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
Yeah, we did discuss that some pages ago, as well as Portnoy's response to that article.
On other news, Far from Heaven really grows on you. And can I hear some bass on there?
oh did not read that page... care to share it? ;D
17 or 18, I think?
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
No Offence to Portnoy but who cares what he thinks anymore? He is in the past, he chose to leave end of story.
This album is by far the best DT album in a long time and I think that is what is getting under his skin a bit.
EXACTLY >:(
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not sure if anyone has posted and read this...
A Dramatic Turn of Events: “Images & Words” revisited?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150771825130184
Yeah, we did discuss that some pages ago, as well as Portnoy's response to that article.
On other news, Far from Heaven really grows on you. And can I hear some bass on there?
oh did not read that page... care to share it? ;D
do a little back read
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lol
Did DREAM THEATER Rewrite 'Images And Words' Songs For Latest Album? MIKE PORTNOY Comments - Sep. 10, 2011
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163086 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163086)
And BAI, thank you unleashing the fanboi inside! that song just becomes better the more I listen to it.
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lol
Did DREAM THEATER Rewrite 'Images And Words' Songs For Latest Album? MIKE PORTNOY Comments - Sep. 10, 2011
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163086 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163086)
And BAI, thank you unleashing the fanboi inside! that song just becomes better the more I listen to it.
Blabbermouth definitely get the Shit Stirrers of the year award.
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FANTASTIC ALBUM
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I'm going to come right out and say that I am in love with this album,
I wouldn't say it's their best since ________, but it really does stand on it's own, and offers several tracks that could become DT classics.
JR and JMX feel a lot more upfront than they used to, especially since JR kinda of broke away from playing along to JP's guitar riffs a lot.
but, I have to agree with some of the negative reviews, the open string chugging patterns overstayed their welcome on this album.
My only other main gripe is that the guitar and vocals can be way loud in the mix, and the drums kind of sit back in the mix.
I'd rank the songs:
1. Bridges in the Sky ( I actually could not stop smiling and laughing in excitement over this entire track)
2. Far From Heaven
3. On The Backs of Angels
4. Breaking All Illusions
5. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
6. Lost Not Forgotten
7. This is The Life
8. Beneath The Surface
9. Outcry
It is really hard to rank all the songs in order, because so many of them are almost equal in greatness... Bridges in the Sky, Far From Heaven, On The Backs of Angels, Breaking All Illusions, and Build Me Up, Break Me Down all might as well be tied for #1 and #2.
I will say, that my least favourite song off the album is Outcry, apart from the intro, and some other parts, it was really weak.
I would have enjoyed Lost Not Forgotten more if it had a little more coherence.. The insane mess at around 2:00 came way too early, it would have been awesome if it was in the instrumental section. The verse riff felt a little less than inspired, especially after there was just a breakdown-type riff right before it. And, the chorus kind of just pops in and out with out any proper build up, but, the chorus is one of the most incredible choruses they have done! I also kind of wish the album closed with Breaking All Illusions, as the theme at the end that is carried from Far From Heaven is just beautiful by all means, and Beneath The Surface just feels odd as a closer, despite the fact JP wanted it there. But, this is all just splitting hairs, it was a great album!!
With that being said, every song has more than several extremely memorable/ awesome moments, regardless of the full picture the song paints.
I'd give it about a 8.5 or 9/10,
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So what is the general opinion on this album? Does the majority of the people here love it, like it, or dislike it?
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how about a poll?
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Anyone got a good Transcript of the lyrics?
back of the angels and build me up break me down lyrics
https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6134610872_ff4b262032_o.jpg (https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6134610872_ff4b262032_o.jpg)
Thank you!
"Today I will be your savior, tomorrow at dinner" turned out to be "Tomorrow a demon"
I need more scans like this, I can't wait til I get the CD.
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So what is the general opinion on this album? Does the majority of the people here love it, like it, or dislike it?
I definitely like it, and tentatively love it - but I'm holding off on using the L word too much until I've listened to it more.
I definitely love Beneath the Surface, though.
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Very quickly, I will just say that I pretty much agree with everything KevSchmev has posted in this thread.
Also, I couldn't help but giggle at a few people who complain about a few songs building to a certain point and then doing something else instead of the certain point that they think it was obviously was building towards. A frequent complaint about recent DT albums was that their song structures were frequently predictable and by-the-numbers, so now when they do the exact opposite they get complaints. Friggin' LOL.
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Wow, that's the first Blabbermouth article I've seen where I don't want to strangle every one of the commenters.
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I think "Our Gift Divine" or just "Gift Divine" would have been a much better title for "This is the Life". Throws a touch of epic on the song and it's more memorable.
And if the title was "Our Gift Divine" that would leave Far From Heaven and Lost Not Forgotten the only two songs on the album which titles doesn't start with the letter B or the letter O :neverusethis:
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....are we still talking about this album?
lol
relax people...breathe.
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JLB's screams on Build Me Up, Break Me Down are awesome. I got a big kick out of it when I first heard the chorus.
I also really like that it's JAMES doing the vast majority of the singing, not other members who are far less capable.
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So what is the general opinion on this album? Does the majority of the people here love it, like it, or dislike it?
LOVE.
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Love.
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JLB's screams on Build Me Up, Break Me Down are awesome. I got a big kick out of it when I first heard the chorus.
Yes. Yes. And the pre-chorus is so damn good too.
Anyone got a good Transcript of the lyrics?
the album insert with the CD had all lyrics to the song. i can scan and post it here but i may be breaking the forum rules.
Mods is it okay if he did that?
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No it's not OK.
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This album is freaking awesome! It really gives me another feel than their last outputs. Its like a whole new dimension to the music there. I can dig into it, I can dig it, I can love it, and I do. It's SUPERB.
There are so many good songs on this album. I will point out Outcry/BAI/BITS/BTS as my favourites..and the rest of the album is veeery good as well. Thanks DT.
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I just have one question: what the hell is this "tickle" section everyone keeps talking about?
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I just have one question: what the hell is this "tickle" section everyone keeps talking about?
The crazy part at 1:58-2:31 of Lost Not Forgotten I believe.
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Describe to me what that means as I don't have the album yet. :P
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Describe to me what that means as I don't have the album yet. :P
Why would you ask a question about where something is in the music if you don't have the music? Did you want us to transcribe it or something?
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So what is the general opinion on this album? Does the majority of the people here love it, like it, or dislike it?
LOVE IT :heart
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Describe to me what that means as I don't have the album yet. :P
Why would you ask a question about where something is in the music if you don't have the music? Did you want us to transcribe it or something?
...You could describe to me in words what the hell "tickle" means, like I just asked.
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Describe to me what that means as I don't have the album yet. :P
Why would you ask a question about where something is in the music if you don't have the music? Did you want us to transcribe it or something?
...You could describe to me in words what the hell "tickle" means, like I just asked.
You're right, that was unfair. The tickle section refers to a lengthy JR + JP unison which lacks a tonal center and is generally musically hilarious. Apparently, a Roadrunner exec said listening to the seemingly unending part was like being tickled.
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Huh, should be an interesting first listen then. Thanks.
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I love the moan at the beginning of BITS. It is a cool sound and makes the song soar into the trance. I knew id enjoy this song, its maginficantly heavy.
Outcry is also, amazing i'd say its tied with BITS. What I enjoy about this album is the paths they decided to take, Its energetic yet beautiful.
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Describe to me what that means as I don't have the album yet. :P
Why would you ask a question about where something is in the music if you don't have the music? Did you want us to transcribe it or something?
...You could describe to me in words what the hell "tickle" means, like I just asked.
You're right, that was unfair. The tickle section refers to a lengthy JR + JP unison which lacks a tonal center and is generally musically hilarious. Apparently, a Roadrunner exec said listening to the seemingly unending part was like being tickled.
Haha. I quite like that part, even though it's kinda random and wacky, I love randomness and wackiness, so I enjoy it. :biggrin:
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I loved the Tickle part. Caught me off guard and thought it was neat.
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Upon further listens, I can really see the grand scheme of the album..
It seems that the general consensus is that the more you listen to the tracks on this album, the more they grow on you.
There is a lot of material to soak up, but once you finally absorb it all, you gain so much more respect for the music as a whole.
There were some songs that just didn't stick at first.. But, like I said, after a couple listens, you just... Get it.
I think it's just because of all the anticipation and skepticism the fans had about the album, that when they finally got a hold of it, it was just so surreal, they had to hear it several times to really understand that this is a brand spankin' new DT album, and it's fantastic!
It would be neat if there was a poll about the reception of the album within the next couple of days.
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This. Album. ROCKS.
Here are my rankings of the tracks so far:
1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Bridges in the Sky
3. Outcry
4. Far From Heaven
5. On The Backs of Angels
6. Lost Not Forgotten
7. Build Me Up Break Me Down
8. Beneath the Surface
9. This is the Life
People weren't lying when they said that the songs take a few listens to really appreciate. At first, a lot of the vocal melodies and choruses didn't click for me, but man do they hit you; especially the awesome chorus for Bridges in the Sky.
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So what is the general opinion on this album? Does the majority of the people here love it, like it, or dislike it?
LOVE IT :heart
Double that! :heart :heart
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There were some songs that just didn't stick at first.. But, like I said, after a couple listens, you just... Get it.
I think it's just because of all the anticipation and skepticism the fans had about the album, that when they finally got a hold of it, it was just so surreal, they had to hear it several times to really understand that this is a brand spankin' new DT album, and it's fantastic!
It would be neat if there was a poll about the reception of the album within the next couple of days.
IMO I don't think anticipation or skepticism has anything to do with it, it's just that music as complex as this generally needs to be listened to several times to fully comprehend. All prog records are like this for me, however they don't always get better with each listen - I just need to listen to it many times to be able to soak it all in.
Totally agree on the poll suggestion! ;D
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There were some songs that just didn't stick at first.. But, like I said, after a couple listens, you just... Get it.
I think it's just because of all the anticipation and skepticism the fans had about the album, that when they finally got a hold of it, it was just so surreal, they had to hear it several times to really understand that this is a brand spankin' new DT album, and it's fantastic!
It would be neat if there was a poll about the reception of the album within the next couple of days.
IMO I don't think anticipation or skepticism has anything to do with it, it's just that music as complex as this generally needs to be listened to several times to fully comprehend. All prog records are like this for me, however they don't always get better with each listen - I just need to listen to it many times to be able to soak it all in.
Totally agree on the poll suggestion! ;D
Fair point, as well as true. Though, the problem I had was with all the anticipation that was building up over the course of a several months, and I was rather skeptical that the album was going to be good. I was proven wrong after a couple listens through, so none of that even matters anymore! :tup
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Maybe this album, title or graphics has something to do with 9/11 and ground zero and the turn of events since then as how their LSFNY album came out almost 10 years ago to the day?
Also, the plane on the front cover i believe is a homage to the moment a plane is about to fall out of the sky and the memories and reflections that one would go through as the passengers are falling to certain doom.
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I sincerely doubt it.
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Very quickly, I will just say that I pretty much agree with everything KevSchmev has posted in this thread.
Also, I couldn't help but giggle at a few people who complain about a few songs building to a certain point and then doing something else instead of the certain point that they think it was obviously was building towards. A frequent complaint about recent DT albums was that their song structures were frequently predictable and by-the-numbers, so now when they do the exact opposite they get complaints. Friggin' LOL.
Because I posted about this, all I care about is if I like the songs or not. BITS has an instrumental that's fairly similar to what DT's been doing for a while, but it's actually good so I don't care. ANTR had a relatively unorthodox structure relative to DT's music and I didn't.
I just tend to think that when you hint at a big epic ending you should deliever, and there are a couple spots on the album where I don't think that happened. As much as I like a good song structure, what you do with it is more important.
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Very quickly, I will just say that I pretty much agree with everything KevSchmev has posted in this thread.
Also, I couldn't help but giggle at a few people who complain about a few songs building to a certain point and then doing something else instead of the certain point that they think it was obviously was building towards. A frequent complaint about recent DT albums was that their song structures were frequently predictable and by-the-numbers, so now when they do the exact opposite they get complaints. Friggin' LOL.
Because I posted about this, all I care about is if I like the songs or not. BITS has an instrumental that's fairly similar to what DT's been doing for a while, but it's actually good so I don't care. ANTR had a relatively unorthodox structure relative to DT's music and I didn't.
I just tend to think that when you hint at a big epic ending you should deliever, and there are a couple spots on the album where I don't think that happened. As much as I like a good song structure, what you do with it is more important.
I completely agree with you, ReaPsTA! You said it better than I ever could.
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I. Love. This. Album. What else can I say? I've listened to it several times and it just gets better with every listen. And indeed, the people who said it takes a few listens to sort of 'click' are correct. Some songs I just didn't get at first (BMU, BMD, TITL, Outcry, BtS), but now that I've heard them 3-4 times I can't stop playing them! :biggrin:
I know it's (extremely) early days, but this album could end up being right up there with the best of them. When BC&SL came out I thought the same thing, and I'm already enjoying this one a lot more. It's hard to compare it to the other albums in such early days, but so far I have faith that it'll be a stayer in my top DT albums. :biggrin:
Following the trend, my track ratings so far would be as follows:
1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Bridges in the Sky
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This Is The Life
5. Outcry
6. Beneath the Surface
7. On the Backs of Angels
8. Far from Heaven
9. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Oh, and I had a 'moment' when listening to the CD for the frst time on my way home. I was in the car on the freeway and I noticed that on the eastern horizon was a rainbow with the moon just above it, while on the western horizon the setting sun was shining through the clouds. During this time Beneath the Surface was playing on the stereo, and I was truly breathtaken by the moment. I almost felt like shedding a manly tear. FYI BtS is an amazingly beautiful song. Such a great way to close the album after the awesomeness of BAI.
Oh and finally, what's with the sheep and the crosshairs on the inner sleeve of the album? ???
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Very quickly, I will just say that I pretty much agree with everything KevSchmev has posted in this thread.
:tup :tup
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Time to say something positive again. How great is the instrumental section in LNF? So much groove and space and atmosphere going on under a very tasty JP solo. Then JR plays one of his better keyboard solos to bring it to another place. Aren't moments like this why you enjoy DT in the first place?
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Indeed. JP somewhere referenced to the LNF instrumental section as the "tango" section. I can definitely get the vibe.
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Time to say something positive again. How great is the instrumental section in LNF? So much groove and space and atmosphere going on under a very tasty JP solo. Then JR plays one of his better keyboard solos to bring it to another place. Aren't moments like this why you enjoy DT in the first place?
As much as I prefer vocal sections over instrumental sections, I must admit that the instrumental sections are very well done. They're very tasteful and I find myself enjoying them. They didn't just seem like one riff being repeating with an exchange between solos by Jordan and JP over and over again. They went all over the place, reminding me of the type of instrumental sections from I&W.
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Time to say something positive again. How great is the instrumental section in LNF? So much groove and space and atmosphere going on under a very tasty JP solo. Then JR plays one of his better keyboard solos to bring it to another place. Aren't moments like this why you enjoy DT in the first place?
I've gotta say, this is a great album for Jordan.
Honestly, I've always felt like Jordan's potential with the band was not being utilized properly. I mean, listening to the best songs on the two LTE discs, and it shouldn't take long to realize that instrumentally he's never been utilized as well since he's been part of the band.
...Until now.
From what I understand and what conversations with old-time fans have led me to believe, LTE at the time was "more Dream Theater than Dream Theater", which is a big reason why people were so excited when JR got brought up full-time.
But Scenes was limited by the fact much of it had been written before, and by SDOIT the band had starting moving away from the aspect of its style that would have played to Jordan's strengths (prog, experimentation, zany instrumentals-- rather than solo spots-- etc). Since then, every album has had moments where Jordan sounded really in his comfort zone (Blind Faith, 8va, TCOT, etc) parallel to moments where he seemed like he was just awkwardly playing along (TDS, TDEN, ARoP). On this record, DT have turned back to their core sound of writing songs that are both progressive AND metal (rather than songs that are progressive OR metal) and it's no surprise that as a result Jordan is firing on all cylinders and sounds once again like the perfect fit he promised to be based on the LTE records.
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As much as I prefer vocal sections over instrumental sections, I must admit that the instrumental sections are very well done. They're very tasteful and I find myself enjoying them. They didn't just seem like one riff being repeating with an exchange between solos by Jordan and JP over and over again. They went all over the place, reminding me of the type of instrumental sections from I&W.
Oh my god, I absolutely agree with you. I didn't like the guitar/key tradeoffs in ANTR/AROP very much, and I could definitely go without hearing DT do that again. The only song on this album that does something like that is Bridges, but the execution is different than before. JP has a very tight/planned out guitar solo, then JR does lots of things with the vibe by using both organ and continuum instead of just playing a long keyboard lead. This kind of stuff really entertains me and holds my interest instead of just being there to be there.
I generally prefer vocal sections too btw. It's where the meaning is created. But a good instrumental section can create a lot of feeling without words telling us anything, which is nice.
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Agreed 100%, PC! I was as excited as anyone when Rudess replaced Sherinian, as I love both LTE discs, and loved his playing on both of those records to death. His playing on the new record is the best I have heard from him since those LTE records and Scenes.
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I generally prefer vocal sections too btw. It's where the meaning is created. But a good instrumental section can create a lot of feeling without words telling us anything, which is nice.
To be honest, if the long songs on this album had about 2-3 minutes of more vocals instead of the very long instrumentals (especially with BAI), I would consider this my favorite album. Breaking All Illusions especially, I mean, that song would be perfect in my book if there were more vocal parts to it. I felt the instrumental section was a little too long for my taste, despite it being very well done.
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[JR post]
JR sounds like he's being the keyboardist he wants to be instead of trying to make himself into what the DT keyboardist is "supposed" to be. As a result, this is probably his most solid overall album with the band.
Why did you say most of Scenes was written before he joined though? The only parts I remember being in the MetII demo were Overture 1928, half of SDV, a part of TDOE, and OLT.
I generally prefer vocal sections too btw. It's where the meaning is created. But a good instrumental section can create a lot of feeling without words telling us anything, which is nice.
To be honest, if the long songs on this album had about 2-3 minutes of more vocals instead of the very long instrumentals (especially with BAI), I would consider this my favorite album. Breaking All Illusions especially, I mean, that song would be perfect in my book if there were more vocal parts to it. I felt the instrumental section was a little too long for my taste, despite it being very well done.
Well. I LOVED the instrumental section on that song. I wouldn't change anything. But I would have enjoyed more vocals as well. I think we got to the first "searching out" part a little too quickly, and I wish there was a bit more between the end of the instrumental section and the "embrace the days" part. But that's just me.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I get chills in between This Is The Life and BITS. It feels like the halfway point, and makes you go "If you thought that shit was intense, just you wait". This album is so cool, and just better than I anticipated. There is a 98% chance this will be the album of the year for me.
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[JR post]
JR sounds like he's being the keyboardist he wants to be instead of trying to make himself into what the DT keyboardist is "supposed" to be. As a result, this is probably his most solid overall album with the band.
Why did you say most of Scenes was written before he joined though? The only parts I remember being in the MetII demo were Overture 1928, half of SDV, a part of TDOE, and OLT.
Yea I hear the LTE thing in Scenes, SDoIT, even some moments on ToT. Once Octavarium came out, it was gone, and by the time SC came out, it was a new era for the band's music.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I get chills in between This Is The Life and BITS. It feels like the halfway point, and makes you go "If you thought that shit was intense, just you wait". This album is so cool, and just better than I anticipated. There is a 98% chance this will be the album of the year for me.
I know exactly what you mean! The flow of the album is tremendous. As much as I liked BC&SL, that sounded like an album of six separate songs that could have been put in almost any order, while the new record has a great flow.
As for album of the year, it has some great ones to beat, so it might have a tough time being number 1 for me, but it should be top 5 easily. Maybe top 3. But it's still early. ;)
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I get chills in between This Is The Life and BITS. It feels like the halfway point, and makes you go "If you thought that shit was intense, just you wait". This album is so cool, and just better than I anticipated. There is a 98% chance this will be the album of the year for me.
I know exactly what you mean! The flow of the album is tremendous. As much as I liked BC&SL, that sounded like an album of six separate songs that could have been put in almost any order, while the new record has a great flow.
As for album of the year, it has some great ones to beat, so it might have a tough time being number 1 for me, but it should be top 5 easily. Maybe top 3. But it's still early. ;)
Yes, the flow of the album is what I was getting at. It's awesome, and there hasn't been a DT album with such great flow since 8V, but even more-so, Scenes (It's hard to count SDoIT, being a double album and all).
As much as I adore BC&SL, it has no flow, but that's mostly due to the fact that most of the songs are so long. SC had great flow until the middle of the album, then gets clunky. I am so happy this album can easily be listened to in one awesome sitting. It doesn't even feel like a 77 minute album.
I have 8 or 9 albums from this year and they're all decent to awesome, but this one may take the cake. Won't really know til the end of the year.
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OK...my contribution
A Dramatic Turn of Events is an incredibly awesome album. Yeah, there are nods in there in particular to Images and Words. But these are really fantastic. It's like an absolute return to form for the band.
I've been listening since Thursday - the album dropped early in Aussie retailers.
My favorite track? This is way too hard at this stage. I didn't like Outcry very much at first and now has grown into top 3 songs of the album.
Unlike most here, Lost Not Forgotten is an incredibly awesome song. Probably in my top 3 aswell. The UAGM reference is minor. What I see more strongly is the Liquid Tension Experiment feel during the instrumental. Either way, I really dig the song.
Breaking All Illusions...what can I add that has not already been said? Outstanding track...best they've done in a decade. Dat Organ.
All the other songs are super duper strong....with maybe the exception of BMUBMD...that one hasn't fully clicked yet. If that's the worst song on the album...well wrap me up and call me Shirley.
It's funny really. It takes that most influential and leader'y person of the band to leave to make one of their best albums. It's amazing stuff.
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Anybody else catch a bit of Fatal Tragedy in LNF?
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Oh my gosh, I just heard "Far from Heaven."
Where has THIS band been for the last ten years? I mean, SHIT!
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Oh my gosh, I just heard "Far from Heaven."
Where has THIS band been for the last ten years? I mean, SHIT!
I'm torn between the fact that FFH is a very good song, and the fact that it's also a very depressing one.
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Listening to "Breaking all Illusions." I just realized an important aspect of why this album is so awesome....
IT BREATHES!!!!
The soft parts are SOFT and the heavy parts are HEAVY and everything has its own space. I feel like we're in the room listening to DT. The production on this album is phenominal. And, for the record, the organ part during this song sounds like Boston! AMAZING!
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Totally agree. The dynamics on this album are very good. The loud parts are actually louder, not just pumping out more db of sound with more compression, which actually makes them sound smaller.
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THE SOLO FOR "BREAKING ALL ILLUSIONS IS THE BEST PETRUCCI PLAYING SINCE 1999
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Yeah FFH is a great track; as are the other 8 really. I can see where some would have greivances, but after a few spins now I feel this is their most consistent since SFaM.
And re: dynamics, couldnt have said it better!
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Far From Heaven was one of the first songs I've ever listened to that actually made me feel like I could cry, especially the "You can swallow your pride, while I die inside" bit.. It's just gut wrenching, the way James sings the entire song. One of their best ballads yet!
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Listening to "Outcry." This album is like watching a Ridley Scott film.... :lol
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Okay, okay, listening to "This is the Life." The perfect description for this album:
If Ridley Scott and Andrew Lloyd Webber decided to get together and make a movie/ soundtrack. :lol
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Can't wait to get this album. I had to work late last night (as in, left the office at about 12:45 a.m.), and was streaming it at the office while it was still accessible. Sounded great. Can't wait until Tuesday so I can spin it for real.
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Anyone else loving Jordan's piano work?
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Yes.
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Anyone else loving Jordan's piano work?
Yes! It's so much more prominent than it has ever been!
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Another observation: the band's overall sound is very consistent from song to song. The guitar tone is pretty much the same, the drums are the same, Jordan is using a lot of piano (the same piano sound), the bass is the same.... Labrie sounds pretty much the same. I mean this in a good way..... it's not jarring, going from one song to the next, like it has been in the past. Overall, a very warm, breathy sound from song to song.
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Listening to "Lost not Forgotten" .... least favorite so far. Kind of cheesy, like I thought it would be. BLAH
edit..
Also, my first criticism of the album: LaBrie's vocals should be a little louder or mixed better. It's very difficult to hear the lyrics sometimes. They kind of blur into each other a lot of times. And, I hate the chorus for "Lost not Forgotten." In fact, I think I hate this whole song.
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Far From Heaven + Breaking All Illusions > Wait For Sleep + Learning To Live
Come at me. :coolio
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Listening to "Lost not Forgotten" .... least favorite so far. Kind of cheesy, like I thought it would be. BLAH
I agree, it could have been way better. It was one of my most anticipated songs, and there were a lot of parts I enjoyed.. but, it's a little less than cohesive at times.
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Yeah, Lost Not Forgotten just doesn't fit on this album. The other songs are all serious and reflective and that one is just.... I won't say anymore..... LOL.
On the other hand, "Beneath the Surface" IS AMAZING.
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Don't hate on Lost Not Forgotten bro.
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Don't hate on Lost Not Forgotten bro.
Okay. At least not in a way that's against the rules. :)
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I've only listened to it 3-4 times now and can't really name the tracks yet but the first time was at one in the morning when my download link finally came through. There I experienced a lot of the emotions others have described from laughing out loud alone in my living room (in a Holy Fuck! kind of way) to feeling the tears welling up in my eyes like the sentimental fool i can be at times :blush.
The second time was through a Bosch work radio while I was cleaning up out in the stable... so that was completely passive background listening (but it was cranked up as far as it would go :metal) so no critical listening there. I was just enjoying what was coming out of the speakers!
But the third to fourth time was late last night. I had a glass of red wine not too long before I went to bed and put had ADTOE at medium volume in my headphones as I drifted off and it was the most surreal experience drifting in and out of sleep but never completely waking up as this music was playing in the background! I woke up enough to turn it off when I realized it was playing through for the second time but again, some of the feelings I experienced while kind of hanging there drifting in and out of limbo kind of took me back to my slightly more experimental youth... If you know what I mean. It was indescribable!
I can't wait to get back to work tomorrow because that is when I will really have time to look at track names and have repeated go arounds!
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The album flows so nicely.
Also every time I decide to pick a song to listen to, I just end up listening to the whole album :)
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Build me Up, Break Me Down is kind of forgettable....
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Build me Up, Break Me Down is kind of forgettable....
Give it another couple listens.
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You think so? I think it's great. It sounds like it's straight off of Jame's solo records. It's really good for a single, in my opinion.
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Build me Up, Break Me Down is kind of forgettable....
I do not agree :) BMUBMD is the best simple DT song for me, next to Forsaken, Constant Motion, A Rite Of Passage. Maybe it's because it's new and fresh, but it's definitly different, in a good way ;)
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I don't want this one to go unnoticed... :lol
Far From Heaven + Breaking All Illusions > Wait For Sleep + Learning To Live
Come at me. :coolio
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I don't want this one to go unnoticed... :lol
Far From Heaven + Breaking All Illusions > Wait For Sleep + Learning To Live
Come at me. :coolio
I actually agree, joking aside.. I never even liked Learning to Live, and still don't (Though I really like Wait for Sleep)
Come at ME, bro. :coolio
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I don't want this one to go unnoticed... :lol
Far From Heaven + Breaking All Illusions > Wait For Sleep + Learning To Live
Come at me. :coolio
Eh, I don't agree. FFM vs. WFS is super debatable. Although nothing from FFH is as iconic to me as the main melody of WFS, and I love the overall vibe.
I can't do BAI>LTL. LTL has the heavy section, the F#, the build-up to the F#, the guitar solo after the F#, the WFS reprise, the keyboard solo, the final "SPREAD BEFORE YOU IS YOUR SOUL" part, the bass leading up to the outro, the chorus, and who knows how many other moments.
I'm not trying to say BAI is bad or anything. The "LIVE IN THE MOMENT" thing is enrapturingly beautiful, as is the very end. The "searching out" part might have one of the best DT vocal harmonies of all time, the instrumental is a rush of happiness that's rarely found in DT's music. But as a whole it doesn't stand up to LTL in my mind.
EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
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Eh, I don't agree. FFM vs. WFS is super debatable. Although nothing from FFH is as iconic to me as the main melody of WFS, and I love the overall vibe.
I can't do BAI>LTL. LTL has the heavy section, the F#, the build-up to the F#, the guitar solo after the F#, the WFS reprise, the keyboard solo, the final "SPREAD BEFORE YOU IS YOUR SOUL" part, the bass leading up to the outro, the chorus, and who knows how many other moments.
I'm not trying to say BAI is bad or anything. The "LIVE IN THE MOMENT" thing is enrapturingly beautiful, as is the very end. The "searching out" part might have one of the best DT vocal harmonies of all time, the instrumental is a rush of happiness that's rarely found in DT's music. But as a whole it doesn't stand up to LTL in my mind.
EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
For me I'd say BAI is a much more consistent song, with much better verses and choruses, although every other part of LTL is pretty much iconic, including the aforementioned F# buildup, and the entire instrumental section. I think BAI has an amazing instrumental section, but right now I'm not sure on its own it comes close to LTL.
So I'd say BAI is the overall better song for me, but LTL has sections that reach much greater heights.
Keep in mind that LTL has always been my least favourite on IAW because I don't think the vocal sections have very good melodies.
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Keep in mind that LTL has always been my least favourite on IAW because I don't think the vocal sections have very good melodies.
Interesting.
I just can't get over the repeat of the "searching out" part in BAI. It feels like such a cop out. The beat sounds like me playing drums. And I have almost no experience on them.
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EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
It's more internet forum lingo than it is Jersey Shore lol.
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Eh, I don't agree. FFM vs. WFS is super debatable. Although nothing from FFH is as iconic to me as the main melody of WFS, and I love the overall vibe.
I can't do BAI>LTL. LTL has the heavy section, the F#, the build-up to the F#, the guitar solo after the F#, the WFS reprise, the keyboard solo, the final "SPREAD BEFORE YOU IS YOUR SOUL" part, the bass leading up to the outro, the chorus, and who knows how many other moments.
I'm not trying to say BAI is bad or anything. The "LIVE IN THE MOMENT" thing is enrapturingly beautiful, as is the very end. The "searching out" part might have one of the best DT vocal harmonies of all time, the instrumental is a rush of happiness that's rarely found in DT's music. But as a whole it doesn't stand up to LTL in my mind.
EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
For me I'd say BAI is a much more consistent song, with much better verses and choruses, although every other part of LTL is pretty much iconic, including the aforementioned F# buildup, and the entire instrumental section. I think BAI has an amazing instrumental section, but right now I'm not sure on its own it comes close to LTL.
So I'd say BAI is the overall better song for me, but LTL has sections that reach much greater heights.
Keep in mind that LTL has always been my least favourite on IAW because I don't think the vocal sections have very good melodies.
Yeah, you pretty much summed up my thoughts on that.
The first half of LTL just isn't for me.. In fact, I usually skip to the middle, or skip the song completely. But, the second half contains so many iconic DT parts, and it really does "reach greater heights than BAI does". LTL is my least favourite off of IAW too, I never really understand all the hype over it, considering the first half is rather weak in my opinion.
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EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
It's more I have just violated forum rule #1--please ban me/internet forum lingo than it is Jersey Shore lol.
I don't like how you're comin' at me bro.
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EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
It's more I have just violated forum rule #1--please ban me/internet forum lingo than it is Jersey Shore lol.
I don't like how you're comin' at me bro.
(https://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ79SUrW2TiqRNIE5ugmZOwgoJo2hNnoFjacm-FJ95DUQdcLsFX24Nt7QXN)
Anyway, back on topic (as to not piss off the higher powers :D)
The heavy verse from BAI... why, WHY, was it not repeated a second time? That section was fucking incredible, it was a shame we don't get to hear more of it. I love JLB's vocals on it, he nails it out of the park. Probably my favorite thing by him in the album.
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The heavy verse from BAI... why, WHY, was it not repeated a second time? That section was fucking incredible, it was a shame we don't get to hear more of it. I love JLB's vocals on it, he nails it out of the park. Probably my favorite thing by him in the album.
I actually like that. It keeps it in line with the more linear structures of IaW where sections are only used once, rather than more typical song structures with repetition. Look at Take the Time with the "unbroken spirit...." verse. Only happens once. Probably many other examples on IaW.
I think the fact it's only used once keeps it a special, unique section imo.
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The ballads on this album are really great. It's like they finally succeeded what they were going for in "Wither".
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The ballads on this album are really great. It's like they finally succeeded what they were going for in "Wither".
I love Wither...
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The ballads on this album are really great. It's like they finally succeeded what they were going for in "Wither".
I think Wither succeeded with what they were going for in Wither.
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The ballads on this album are really great. It's like they finally succeeded what they were going for in "Wither".
I like Wither, but I agree partly (agreeing also with what Cranky and Reap said). Wither sounded like an attempt at a modern "ballad", whereas TITL sounds like a timeless ballad that we'd hear on SFAM or FII. It didn't try to include metal, instead it just rocks. And it's a side I love from DT.
It seems TITL is the least appreciated of the ballads, but it's one of my favourites on ADTOE.
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Keep in mind that LTL has always been my least favourite on IAW because I don't think the vocal sections have very good melodies.
I actually agree with part of this. But to me it's arguably DT's best song ever IN SPITE of the relatively weak vocal melodies. The instrumentation and arrangement are the best things the band has ever done, I think.
Interesting.
I just can't get over the repeat of the "searching out" part in BAI. It feels like such a cop out. The beat sounds like me playing drums. And I have almost no experience on them.
Totally agree. Seems like they could have done something really cool with the drums there, but it's almost...annoying or something.
Regardless, at this early stage I almost want to say that BAI may be DT's best whole song since Trial of Tears.
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The ballads on this album are really great. It's like they finally succeeded what they were going for in "Wither".
I think Wither succeeded with what they were going for in Wither.
I dunno, I think they were trying to go for that mellowed out song they hadn't done in awhile and ended up hitting a lot of cliche, bland notes along the way. It did have a guitar solo though which is something I can't say for "The Answer Lies Within".
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I know what people mean when they say BMUBMD takes a few listens to appreciate. On my first listen I thought it sounded too much like JLB's solo stuff, which I don't love, but still like. On my third or fourth listen I definitely got what they were trying to do, and it's definitely the best of their simpler metal songs. Also, JP's volume swells starting just after the one minute mark on This is the Life are so awesome. Didn't really aknowledge them on my first listens.
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Has anyone noticed any theme from Far From Heaven in Breaking All Illusions? I haven't been able to find any..
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Has anyone noticed any theme from Far From Heaven in Breaking All Illusions? I haven't been able to find any..
I was thinking this aswell. I'm sure it's there, but it's quite well hidden.
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Has anyone noticed any theme from Far From Heaven in Breaking All Illusions? I haven't been able to find any..
FFH - 2:40 - 3:06
BAI - 11:15 - 11:45
FFH - 3:07 - 3:28
BAI - 11:46 - 12:21
There might be more, but I don't know about them.
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Has anyone noticed any theme from Far From Heaven in Breaking All Illusions? I haven't been able to find any..
FFH - 2:40 - 3:06
BAI - 11:15 - 11:45
FFH - 3:07 - 3:28
BAI - 11:46 - 12:21
There might be more, but I don't know about them.
Yeah I hear them now. Probably threw me off as the vocal melodies are different.
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FFH - 2:40 - 3:06
BAI - 11:15 - 11:45
FFH - 3:07 - 3:28
BAI - 11:46 - 12:21
There might be more, but I don't know about them.
Thanks, that's awesome.
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I was lucky enough to have a friend working at a record shop, and he provided me with a copy as soon as the shop received them. I've listened to the album many times, so i guess i can share my opinion about it.
As many people said before me, this is a DT record. No attempts to "copy" other styles, no forced harsh vocals, just pure amazing DT.
OTBOA is probably the perfect opener for the album, i loved it from the moment it was available for streaming. Especially the solo piano section and the guitar solo are amazing. Great little parts from MM.
BMU,BMD might be the weakest song on this album, but its a good one. Its DT being heavy and catchy without trying so hard. Amazing vocals by James, i was actually shocked the first time i heard his screams.
LNF is an amazing song, incredibly catchy chorus, great guitar solo, and i really like the riff before the keyboard solo. One of the best tracks in the album.
TITL gives some time for relaxation to the listener, after the prog orgy that is LNF. Again great performance by James, i like the clear guitar tone, but while i like the song, i don't think its anything special.
BITS is a fucking badass song. This is the heavy DT i love, without the "trying to be tough" vocals, but an amazing vocal performance by James, which reminded me of his Awake days. Also, JR gives some great atmosphere to this song with his patches. While this track is the more modern-DT sounding one to me, it actually flows really well, and it has a great sense of melody. MM's drumming in the end is simply mindblowing.
Outcry is my favorite song of the album. I was happy to hear that the main riff was a reworked version of the audition riff many of us liked. JR really shines on this, with so many different patches, all fitting and never becoming annoying. The instrumental section is one of the craziest ever, and it took some time to sink in, but when it did, i was shocked. JM also has some amazing parts in this.
I also like the chorus, as well as the lyrics, i guess it will be great when played live.
FFH actually is one of my least favorites, but again i find it pretty good. Really nice to hear JR showing some restraint and playing mellow and in a simplistic way. James as always is amazing on the more mellow songs.
BAI was the most anticipated track to me, given that it was the first time in many years that JM contributed lyrics.
And i was not disappointed. One of the greatest tracks on the album, with incredible changes throughout the song, great JM parts, an amazing chorus, and in general this is DT at their best. An instant classic i would say.
BTS was a pleasant surprise to me. This track proves that JP is a composer who actually has a great sense of feeling and melody. James sounds incredible on this, and i believe this is one of the best DT ballads, together with Disappear and Wait For Sleep.
So to conclude, DT has delivered an amazing album, and proved that they are still inspired and motivated to give us great music.
Everyone is on top of their game, and this time the songs seem more focused, more melodic, and it seems they game much more thought to the songs than in the previous albums.
The production is good, although it still has little dynamic range, but at least JM is audible this time, which is great.
I will share more thoughts as time goes by and i really digest all this music.
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Two moments from ADTOE are haunting my brain since yesterday - BMUBMD main riff and main guitar theme in This Is The Life.
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On the first listen, it's a lot to get your head around. I was hoping for more memorable melodies. BMU, BMD is actually one of the standouts on first listen, love the Larbie solo influence, love the melodies and the chorus, and James screams are killer. I actually wish there were more songs like this. Reminds me of These Walls.
I will say, that John's solo in Lost Not Forgotten is probably a top 5 JP solo of all time, that's just fucking crazy.
Needs many more listens. I'm hoping some vocal melodies will stick out more.
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I think the first verse vocal melodies of Breaking All Illusions are pretty classic.
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I think the first verse vocal melodies of Breaking All Illusions are pretty classic.
A lot of vocal melodies in this album are pretty classic ;D
This album is a definite 10/10 for me, its everything that's good about Dream Theater, all in one beautiful package
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I think the first verse vocal melodies of Breaking All Illusions are pretty classic.
A lot of vocal melodies in this album are pretty classic ;D
Indeed, but that one especially ;)
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First off, let me start with saying this; great album! Totally lived up to my expectations.
I listened to it the first time on Friday evening with a friend of mine, got it through the roadrunner download link and I was blown away overall. The full album is amazing and a great listen. Here's a track by track review.
On The Backs of Angels was as opener as I could have thought, it is the perfect way, out of the songs on the album to open it, it immediately gives away the feel this album has to offer. Outstanding track. Also, the outro is awesome.
The second track interrupted the flow for me greatly. Really weird to say it this way, because Build Me Up, Break Me Down is not a bad track, but after the awesomeness that OTBOA was, this felt a little slow and too driving, could have been faster I think. Also the solos are a bit lame. I guess this would be my least favourite, whatever that means.
Lost Not Forgotten, what can I say about you? My friend pointed out the similarities to Under a Glass Moon, and they are certainly there, I actually got a similar 'vibe' from it. The opening freak part (1:50-2:30 if I remember correctly) is one of the most whacky things the band has ever done. People will either love or hate this. I actually thought this was really could, but could have been left out just as easily, without doing any damage to the overall song. This is a very solid song, with a strong chorus and the instrumental section is cool, but not as cool as some other songs on the album.
The first ballad on the album, This is the Life, is a very good one. I got a Wither vibe out of this one, but this trumps that, because it just is better. The chorus is good, the instrumentation is good and, oh. Did I mention that guitar solo yet? Very tasty, great work by mister Petrucci.
Wait, what's this? Tibetan throat singing? What are Dream Theater thinking? The epic middle piece of the album, Bridges in the Sky, starts of very unusually, but, man, this track is GORGEOUS. This is the stuff from Dream Theater I love, words can't do it justice, just everything about this track is awesome! The chorus got stuck in my head for two days after first listen and the whole song is seriously powerful, JLB is as strong as ever here, with great vocal melodies, and JP's riffs drive the song to a further level of brilliance than most their heavier stuff. I mean it, this track is gold.
Outcry would be the track that gets most of the hate so far in this thread, and I can see why. After such an onslaught of awesomeness, this track can just be too much to grab. It doesn't really have a hook or things that got stuck in my head either, but I do find myself coming back to it, because of the brilliant instrumental section. Seriously, listen to that and be overwhelmed.
The one but last ballad on the album is, unfortunately, the one that delivers the least, but luckily, this doesn't say anything. It is merely an indication how bloody great the others are. Far From Heaven a beautiful track, albeit a dark and depressing one. James' lyrics are great and he sings them very well. Also, Jordan Rudess shines on this track, like he does on most, but this is just him and JLB performing one great song.
Breaking All Illusions is the track most of the fans have been looking forward the most, silent man and house bassist of Dream Theater, John Myung, hasn't written a line since their 1999 output, Scenes From a Memory, and boy, does this track deliver!I think I can say with confidence that this track is the most 'proggy' on the album. The chorus is good, as are all of the other parts. Like people expected before, making comparisons to Learning to Live even before it was released, it actually gives away a similar vibe in the sense that it doesn't repeat stuff often and is always moving to new, equally great parts. Outstanding track, this is.
An addition to the album after the rest was written, Beneath the Surface doesn't feel like this and is, to me, the perfect closer to the album. John Petrucci proves here, once again, that he is a great composer with a good sense of melody, harmony and structure. I think this is the best ballad of the album. James LaBrie is once again very solid on this album and proves he can still pull off some truly good stuff.
Overall, I think after a couple of listens this is their best effort since Six Degrees and I might even rank it above that after some more listens. I'm very glad they released OTBOA as a single, and not BMUBMD, because I wouldn't have been anticipating this as much then. The snippets don't really do the album justice, the full product is much more awesome than you can make out of them. All the musicians are top notch, as usual. Mike Mangini's drumming is great, revitalising and refreshing, though one could argue they are a bit low in the mix. John Petrucci is great as usual, as are John Myung, Jordan Rudess and James LaBrie. Dream Theater feels like a band once more, for the first time truly, since 1999's 'Scenes from a Memory'. The boys are back, and they are stronger than ever.
For now: 8.5/10, a very good album.
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Lost Not Forgotten has grown on me very much... DAT JP SOLO
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The LNF guitar solo still hasn't grabbed me. It's kind of weird. Not bad, just weird.
I love the keyboard solo though. It's fast and shreddy and just arpeggios, but the chord progression behind it builds so perfectly, and it's not just a repeating pattern, and the keyboard arps harmonize beautifully with it.
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Lost Not Forgotten has grown on me very much... DAT JP SOLO
:tup
It's now my favourite on the album by distance!
I think it's by far the best "technical metal" song mabe by DT!
Great riffs, great melodies (chours and second verse), great intro, great outro, great solo and great instrumental section!! :)
The tickle section has to be taken for what it was intended to be: pure wankery.
But I like to join the game...:) (will be great fun to learn it on guitar!!)
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Lost Not Forgotten has grown on me very much... DAT JP SOLO
Top 5 JP solo.
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This album is so CONSISTENTLY good! Not one song I'd like to skip during a spin.
Outcry and LNF has been the biggest growers so far, both from 'meh' to 'awesome'.
EDIT: I think BTS is still a bit 'meh', though... :-\
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I haven't had time to write a full review, and won't for a few days, but this is a Top 3 album right off the bat (behind I&W and Scenes), but I could easily see it taking over the #2 spot in time.
Love everything about it. BMUBMD is easily my least fave, but I LOVE everything else on the album.
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I combines everything I loved about DT when I first got into them.
Melody, Metal, Hooks, the ability to meld all of it in one song and the whole album. I can't say enough about it.
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I love the string bit in Beneath the Surface that sounds like the descending pattern in Ministry of Lost Souls, its pretty much the same. The intricacy of Jordan's keys are just phenomenal
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God I love this album so much on a much more emotional level than the past few albums. That said I enjoyed many songs from the past 10 yrs of DT music, however, it was in moments. I feel this album connects throughout. i dont find myself skipping along anywhere in the album. I have been waiting for that emotional connection from these guys maybe since SFAM or SDOIT. This album is a perfect release at a perfect time. Kudos to the band for sticking it out and giving us a real gem under alot of pressure.
a couple of album notes:
Does anyone get chills (actual goosebumps) at the last few bars of Breaking all Illusions??? that was some of the best raw emotional energy on any album I have heard in quite a while, and how they captured in in the mix is a testament to this albums production.
I keep thinking how alot of this album would come off live and The Bridges in the Sky chorus is so memorable, that I think it will be a concert favorite for years to come. But, LNF and Outcry may be epic live. All I have to say is I will findout soon enough here in Pittsburgh on October 4th. If they sat and played this entire album live I would be overjoyed.
I am still tinkering with the album and have not gotten to the easter egg NugZ , I just didnt care about that yet. This album is meant to be listened to with the lights out and head phones on. Memorable. Thank you DT!
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Yeah there are some great choruses on this album.
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Iv'e had the album since its release here on thursday, and have extensively listened to it non-stop. I think its easily in the top echelon DT albums, I love the vibe and the scale of all the songs - I really think there are very few weakpoints. Outcry was one that took me a little longer, only as there is so much to digest in that song, but now im far more familiar with it, I think its simply brilliant. One thing that I dont get, is Thiago's so called issue with the album having similar song structures to I&W - So many people over the years have been yearning for something similar to I&W, and when they actually bring something out which perfectly blends new and older DT using some similar structures from that album, it still gets complained about. F'n shits me to tears..
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Iv'e had the album since its release here on thursday, and have extensively listened to it non-stop. I think its easily in the top echelon DT albums, I love the vibe and the scale of all the songs - I really think there are very few weakpoints. Outcry was one that took me a little longer, only as there is so much to digest in that song, but now im far more familiar with it, I think its simply brilliant. One thing that I dont get, is Thiago's so called issue with the album having similar song structures to I&W - So many people over the years have been yearning for something similar to I&W, and when they actually bring something out which perfectly blends new and older DT using some similar structures from that album, it still gets complained about. F'n shits me to tears..
I think you misunderstood Thiago : he did not do that to bash DT, but because he found that interesting to begin with. The only complaint I have about that is that he should have waited after the release and known MP would jump on the occasion. Not more.
B.Lee
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Very quickly, I will just say that I pretty much agree with everything KevSchmev has posted in this thread.
Also, I couldn't help but giggle at a few people who complain about a few songs building to a certain point and then doing something else instead of the certain point that they think it was obviously was building towards. A frequent complaint about recent DT albums was that their song structures were frequently predictable and by-the-numbers, so now when they do the exact opposite they get complaints. Friggin' LOL.
Im 100% in agreement with this post!
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My initial reaction to the album as a whole is "average". The album has few low points and they aren't all that low, but while it does have its high points they aren't all that high, either. To compare to their last album, BC&SL had some low points. Some REALLY low points, certainly a lot lower than anything on ADTOE. But at the same time, the highs on BC&SL were for me all higher than thing on ADTOE (pretty much all of TCOT, Beautiful Agony in ANTR, all of Wither, some others). I think if I were to look at it from a very analytical viewpoint and averaged the high/low of both albums, ADTOE would probably equal the same or a little lower than BC&SL.
Having said that, there's a lot I like about ADTOE. The band for the mostpart seems revitalized which is fucking great. The really low points present on the last couple of albums are pretty much non-existant on this one - there's nothing cringe-worthy and no songs I feel like I want to skip all the time and never listen to. Bridges in the Sky is top for me at the moment, love that chorus. I am really liking Jordan Rudess a lot more on this album. The last few albums, it really seemed like he wasn't trying for most of the songs, and even if he were more audible there wouldn't be much to listen to. But on ADTOE he brings new ideas, new techniques, and FINALLY some new frigging sounds. I'm also a fan of the sequenced drums in BMUBMD and especially Outcry. It's so unexpected for a DT album (no I didn't forget ITNOG, but it's not as elaborate as what's here on ADTOE) and tastefully done I think. If the idea came from JLB's solo albums, I wouldn't be opposed to them taking more ideas from there in the future.
I think the album will grow on me after a while, and maybe I won't negatively compare it to BC&SL so much. I know that DT has released a few albums that I had little interest in at first, ToT and FII namely, and I have a feeling this album will follow these two and become more of a favorite as time goes by. If it doesn't, I at least have very high hopes for the next album. :tup
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after many listens through headphones and speakers, I must say I love this album. Can anyone suggest a good pair of headphones around $1-- that are clear, accent all frequencies, have bass, etc.
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To anyone expressing doubt or a feeling of being underwhelmed at first-- I think a ton of us had that same impression after the first listen, or even the third. But continue listening and each of the album's intricacies and beautiful moments will begin to hit you, and hit you hard. On my first listen, I thought, "wow, this was good, but I feel like I'm missing something." After numerous repeated listens, my reaction is "wow, this is a fantastic album. Probably in my top 3."
The choruses and their melodies begin to reveal themselves to you, and after a few listens, everything just comes together really well. So, if you're doubtful after a listen or two, keep on keepin' on. :)
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I think I'm going to start rationing my listening time. I must've listened over 10 times already since Friday and absolutely love it but I don't want that new album magic to wear off too soon!
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Is it even possible to feel underwhelmed on the first listen (well, unlike you hate DT to begin with of course)? I was so exited instantly by some of the stuff, much more than I've been with any other record the first time I heard it. Instant classic IMO, I was sold the second I finished hearing all the notes. Also the melodies was what got most of my attention from the beginning, there's so many catchy lines here (every vocal part in BITS for instance).
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after many listens through headphones and speakers, I must say I love this album. Can anyone suggest a good pair of headphones around $1-- that are clear, accent all frequencies, have bass, etc.
I've got the Bose on ear. They're $180 but awesome....should be for that much coin
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My eyes literally welled up with tears of joy when I heard the opening of BAI (so reminiscent of LTL) and a voice in my head kept saying "JMX is back!" :hefdaddy I'm not an emotional fanboi by any means but I couldn't control my emotions because I finally heard something I never expected to hear.
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Does anyone else love the sorta raspy way he sings "Messenger of truth. I trust in you." in BitS? :metal
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Does anyone else love the sorta raspy way he sings "Messenger of truth. I trust in you." in BitS? :metal
I do. :metal
I would say that my only dislike is the "clicky" sound in the beginning of LNF, when the double bass pattern begins.
It might be JR's sound or something, but it is a little annoying.
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The streaming is over then eh? Damn, missed out on that! Guess I'll have to wait till this week when this and Primus' new album come in the mail.
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This is the first album since SDOIT that i feel i wouldn't skip any of the songs. Even the weakest one, imo BMUBMD, has something enjoyable, especially if you're driving :)
It has weak points, but they're always balanced with strong melodies and great riffs.
As for now, i think it's great.
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The ballads on this album are really great. It's like they finally succeeded what they were going for in "Wither".
I think Wither succeeded with what they were going for in Wither.
I dunno, I think they were trying to go for that mellowed out song they hadn't done in awhile and ended up hitting a lot of cliche, bland notes along the way. It did have a guitar solo though which is something I can't say for "The Answer Lies Within".
I don't think of Wither that way at all, I think it was far more of a power-ballad, rather than a straightforward mellow ballad (like TALW and the new ones). It definitely has its share of cliche (the guitar solo, for example, is pure Brian May) but I really couldn't care less, it's still one of my favourite DT songs.
Anyhoo, I had a listen to the RR stream while it was up (wanted to listen again today but it appears to be gone now) and I thought the album sounded fantastic, can't wait to get my copy tomorrow!
Seems to have a bit less variety than the last couple of albums (and I'm a sucker for variety) but possibly as a result the album sounded more organic, and flowing. And I'm sure after repeat listens the variety will creep in through the subtler differences between songs. I can see this being very high in my rankings, but obviously one listen isn't nearly enough to really know.
Standouts so far are definitely Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions. Both are genuinely amazing songs.
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Hey guys. I've come to the conclusion that this album is better than Scenes From A Memory and Awake, and just as good as Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence and Images and Words.
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I'm ready to rank, I think.
1. Breaking all Illusions
2. Bridges in the Sky
3. Beneath the Surface
4. This is the Life
5. Outcry
6. Lost not Forgotten
7. Far in Heaven
8. Build me Up/Break me Down
9. On the Backs of Angels
That was hard as fuck. Such a strong album.
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I think my ranking is in order too:
01 - Breaking All Illusions
02 - Outcry
03 - Bridges In the Sky
04 - This Is the Life
05 - Lost Not Forgotten
06 - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
07 - Beneath the Surface
08 - On the Backs of Angels
09 - Far From Heaven
That last one is only at that spot because of it's lacking diversity due to the short length. Amazing still.
That was hard as fuck. Such a strong album.
Nothing is harder than fuck.
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*Deleted* I don't know what happened :huh:
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Far From Heaven / Breaking All Illusions
Bridges In The Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
Outcry
This Is The Life
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
On The Backs Of Angels
Beneath The Surface
There are themes from FFH in BAI, so that's why they're in the same place. Also, had I not been familiar with OTBOA before the album's release, it'd be a couple notches higher.
By the way... I ADORE the melody in Breaking All Illusions that bookends the Pink Floyd-esque guitar solo in the middle of the song.
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Am I the only one who thinks the Heavy Riff in the beginning of BITS, before the synthy part of the verse comes in, sounds like a riff from Slipknots All Hope Is Gone(don't know what song but I know it from the making of).
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That was hard as fuck. Such a strong album.
Nothing is harder than fuck.
Least of all when I'm involved. :eyebrows:
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Am I the only one who thinks the Heavy Riff in the beginning of BITS, before the synthy part of the verse comes in, sounds like a riff from Slipknots All Hope Is Gone(don't know what song but I know it from the making of).
It sounded a bit like something by Machine Head to me.
Maybe I'm just tripping balls.
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Hey guys. I've come to the conclusion that this album is better than Scenes From A Memory and Awake, and just as good as Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence and Images and Words.
I'm just going to counter that by saying SFAM and Awake were lifechanging for me. This one is great, but I didn't turn into a shaman after listening to it.
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after many listens through headphones and speakers, I must say I love this album. Can anyone suggest a good pair of headphones around $1-- that are clear, accent all frequencies, have bass, etc.
I have been using Sennheiser HD-280 PRO Headphones and I love them. They are on Amazon for less then $100 bucks. Hope this helps.
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I'll be listening to the album on these bad boys
https://www.amazon.com/Shure-SE535-V-High-Definition-MicroDriver-Detachable/dp/B003NSBKT6 (https://www.amazon.com/Shure-SE535-V-High-Definition-MicroDriver-Detachable/dp/B003NSBKT6)
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The chorus of Bridges in the Sky has been playing in my head all day today.
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Hey guys. I've come to the conclusion that this album is better than Scenes From A Memory and Awake, and just as good as Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence and Images and Words.
I'm just going to counter that by saying SFAM and Awake were life changing for me. This one is great, but I didn't turn into a shaman after listening to it.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't turn in a shaman after listening to ADTOE ;)
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I turned into an Outcry.
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I turned into a broken illusion
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I turned into Mike Portnoy.
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I turned into Mike Portnoy.
You should go on facebook and wish the best of luck to DT, and then never sign on to FB again. DO IT NOW!!!
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I turned into Mike Portnoy.
You should go on facebook and wish the best of luck to DT, and then never sign on to FB again. DO IT NOW!!!
They just hurt me too much. DT was my baby, that band was like my wife, and now it's gone. It hurts too much to wish them luck.
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Could you please elaborate on that wife-metaphore?
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Breaking All Illusions is now currently sitting at No. 1 Fav DT song for me.
Absolutely glorious song :hefdaddy
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I turned into Mike Portnoy.
You should go on facebook and wish the best of luck to DT, and then never sign on to FB again. DO IT NOW!!!
They just hurt me too much. DT was my baby, that band was like my wife, and now it's gone. It hurts too much to wish them luck.
God, this never fails to put me laughing.
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I like beneath the surface.
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Just reporting in to say that Beneath the Surface is still stuck in my head.
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Right now, This Is The Life is stuck in my head
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Right now, This Is The Life is stuck in my head
I love that song.
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btw mods, no disrespect to MP. I love the guy. Just poking some fun at some of his character traits. ;)
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You know what's stuck in my head?
"Lost not forgotten, king of the deathless sooooooooul"
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SUUUUN
COME SHINE MY WAAY
MAY HEALING WATERS BURY ALL MY PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
That's what's stuck in my head.
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Just reporting in to say that Beneath the Surface is still stuck in my head.
I think it's spreading...That and the supercatchy first verse of LNF (I am not immortal...) have been stuck for a few hours.
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Breaking All Illusions is now currently sitting at No. 1 Fav DT song for me.
Absolutely glorious song :hefdaddy
It's certainly in the top 10, I'd say, but No. 1? Octavarium cannot be beaten.
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Bring Me up Bring Me Down is a great simple song, I will say it again. Now, I like it the most :) also Beneath The Surface is getting heigher and higher ;)
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wait a second.. how are you all listening to it now? the stream has been down all day and nobody has mentioned it but me.
I lot of people, like myself, got the MP3's from RoadRunner for pre-ordering the boxset
What country are you in? I'm in the US and dont think i get mp3's until tomorrow. Correct me if I am wrong. I want to hear it asap! :metal
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This Is The Life needs more attention here - probably their best soft song for me right now, DAT CLIMAX. 5/8 never sounded so good, well, it did with the rest of the album at least.
Some of us choose to live gracefolly ;D
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Love the whole album, and even if LNF is not the best one (not sure yet which I enjoy most) it is a catchy bitch.
An Epic novel no one's read
Pages torn and faded
The greatest story never told...
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I am really liking Jordan Rudess a lot more on this album. The last few albums, it really seemed like he wasn't trying for most of the songs, and even if he were more audible there wouldn't be much to listen to.
Having the stems of the keyboards from BCASL I can tell you he is doing lots of interesting things on there, he's just buried in the metal mix. I do agree that it's great to hear the keyboards sounding like keyboards again and JR certainly delivers all over these songs.
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Just a couple questions for you guys that have listened to the album:
- how connected is Far From Heaven to Breaking All Illusions? I know JP said some themes are used in both, but is it obvious or more subtle?
- what is the "epicness" like on this album? By epic, I don't mean length, I mean music that gives you goosebumps, that is monumental (ie. end of Count of Tuscany, end solo of Best of Times, Losing Time/Grand Finale)
- how is Mangini...would you describe his playing on this album as taking a backseat to the other members (ie. subtle complexity) or is he really strong and present with memorable fills?
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Just a couple questions for you guys that have listened to the album:
- how connected is Far From Heaven to Breaking All Illusions? I know JP said some themes are used in both, but is it obvious or more subtle?
- what is the "epicness" like on this album? By epic, I don't mean length, I mean music that gives you goosebumps, that is monumental (ie. end of Count of Tuscany, end solo of Best of Times, Losing Time/Grand Finale)
- how is Mangini...would you describe his playing on this album as taking a backseat to the other members (ie. subtle complexity) or is he really strong and present with memorable fills?
1) The main themes of Far from Heaven are reprised on Breaking all Illusions. There's one that's very in your face, and there are others that are more subtle (like in chord progressions).
2) While there's no big "The Count of Tuscany" or "Octavarium" moment, every song has a unique personality. There are some big grand moments, for sure. Breaking all Illusions' ending might be one of those. Also, while Beneath the Surface may not be the BIG BALLS MODERN ending DT has had in every release since 6DOIT, I consider it to be very epic.
3) Mangini's a beast. His sense of dynamics are far beyond Portnoy's control. I couldn't be happier with his performance, and I can't wait to see him play live this stuff.
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- what is the "epicness" like on this album? By epic, I don't mean length, I mean music that gives you goosebumps, that is monumental (ie. end of Count of Tuscany, end solo of Best of Times, Losing Time/Grand Finale)
- how is Mangini...would you describe his playing on this album as taking a backseat to the other members (ie. subtle complexity) or is he really strong and present with memorable fills?
Epicness depends on who you ask. To me it is (for now) the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten (and when James comes in, just awesome stuff), Bridges In The Sky, Breaking All Illutions.
I think Mangini is doing great. Sounds fine to me at least, but I haven't been listening specifically to the drums yet. Not in the front seat, but the drums sound like they really belong there IMO. They are a bit too low in the mix in most of On The Backs Of Angels, but on the rest of the songs they sound fine to my ears. I really like the sound of the drums btw.
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Just a couple questions for you guys that have listened to the album:
- how connected is Far From Heaven to Breaking All Illusions? I know JP said some themes are used in both, but is it obvious or more subtle?
- what is the "epicness" like on this album? By epic, I don't mean length, I mean music that gives you goosebumps, that is monumental (ie. end of Count of Tuscany, end solo of Best of Times, Losing Time/Grand Finale)
- how is Mangini...would you describe his playing on this album as taking a backseat to the other members (ie. subtle complexity) or is he really strong and present with memorable fills?
2) While there's no big "The Count of Tuscany" or "Octavarium" moment, every song has a unique personality. There are some big grand moments, for sure. Breaking all Illusions' ending might be one of those. Also, while Beneath the Surface may not be the BIG BALLS MODERN ending DT has had in every release since 6DOIT, I consider it to be very epic.
I have to disagree... :P
The intro/chorus to Outcry, especially the last
chorus of BMUBMB, BITS, BAI
Climax in This is the Life
Ending of Breaking all Illusions (as you mentioned)
These never fail to give me goosebumps, either they're on par with sections like the end of TCOT, 8VM, Best of Times, or they completely top them.
Of course there's many more subtle ones, after a few listens, it strikes you and your'e like WOW :omg:
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Well, if you put it that way, I definitely have to agree with you. Outcry's chorus is outstanding, as many of those sections you just mentioned.
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The last chorus of LNF gives me frequent chills :3
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I think they truly made it with this album, so much better than I would have ever dreamed of :angel:
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Anyone else get a Rachmaninoff vibe from the piano at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten?
Kind of reminded me of Chopin, actually.
Indeed, Jordan said it was inspired by Chopin. https://www.boutiquegeartalk.com/industry-news/1446.htm
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Anyone else get a Rachmaninoff vibe from the piano at the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten?
Kind of reminded me of Chopin, actually.
Indeed, Jordan said it was inspired by Chopin. https://www.boutiquegeartalk.com/industry-news/1446.htm
Oh yes, good find! Thanks.
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Right now, This Is The Life is stuck in my head
I love that song.
The main theme is the best. In fact, all the main themes on the album are some of their best ever.
Anyone else think the Lost Not Forgotten "chorus" and the first heavy riff in BAI sounds a little like Symphony X? I know SX actually sound like DT anyway, but I noticed it. It's not detracting, but there is some slight similarities.
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I lot of people, like myself, got the MP3's from RoadRunner for pre-ordering the boxset
What country are you in? I'm in the US and dont think i get mp3's until tomorrow. Correct me if I am wrong. I want to hear it asap! :metal
I'm in the UK, sorry buddy
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Going to pick up the album tomorrow morning. Can't wait to hear the awesome!
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>Fans wanted a song like Learning to Live
>DT releases Breaking all Illusions
>Fans complain it's similar to Learning to Live
:facepalm:
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I have caved and listened to the leaks. I have no words that suffice. Stunned and exceeded expectations are all I can come up with. BAI, TITL, BTS, BITS, and Outcry are in heavy rotation right now. :hefdaddy
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Okay as for the album, I wanted to hear it on 13th but I realized this week will be demanding a lot of my time so I heard the album today. I liked it. Lost not Forgotten is amazing. Outcry's main riff is awesome, Beneath the Surface almost put me to tears and Breaking all Illusions might be their best song since Octavarium. I have to wait until it ages, though. I can certainly say it has no facepalm moments like SC and BCSL had (The Shaman's voice made me chuckle, though), but I can't say there are any weak moments for the album... Maybe Outcry's end. But just maybe.
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>Fans wanted a song like Learning to Live
>DT releases Breaking all Illusions
>Fans complain it's similar to Learning to Live
:facepalm:
It's friggin' absurd..... but true.
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Okay as for the album, I wanted to hear it on 13th but I realized this week will be demanding a lot of my time so I heard the album today. I liked it. Lost not Forgotten is amazing. Outcry's main riff is awesome, Beneath the Surface almost put me to tears and Breaking all Illusions might be their best song since Octavarium. I have to wait until it ages, though.
Your opinion of it will only become one of higher approval..... guaranteed!
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>Fans wanted a song like Learning to Live
>DT releases Breaking all Illusions
>Fans complain it's similar to Learning to Live
:facepalm:
It's friggin' absurd..... but true.
It's true? Can you show me some examples of people complaining about the similarities? I haven't seen any
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>Fans wanted a song like Learning to Live
>DT releases Breaking all Illusions
>Fans complain it's similar to Learning to Live
:facepalm:
It's friggin' absurd..... but true.
It's true? Can you show me some examples of people complaining about the similarities? I haven't seen any
This, thank you. I've seen people point out similarities, and I've seen people discuss similarities. I've seen a couple people call the similarities 'desperate attempts to recapture the magic of the old albums'--- but not here. Not on this forum. On this topic, whenever I've seen someone comment on song structure similarities, it's been either in a vibe of interested curiosity, or praise. I haven't seen anyone bitching about it.
EDIT: Yes, I'm sure people are bitching about it on MP.com. But are we really going to interrupt this thread just to bitch about people somewhere else bitching about something that no one here is bitching about?
Sorry to stick to the tangent, I just don't see where it's coming from.
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>Fans wanted a song like Learning to Live
>DT releases Breaking all Illusions
>Fans complain it's similar to Learning to Live
:facepalm:
It's friggin' absurd..... but true.
It's true? Can you show me some examples of people complaining about the similarities? I haven't seen any
Check out MP.com. Holy fuck, its annoying. Just giving you a warning.
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>Fans wanted a song like Learning to Live
>DT releases Breaking all Illusions
>Fans complain it's similar to Learning to Live
:facepalm:
It's friggin' absurd..... but true.
It's true? Can you show me some examples of people complaining about the similarities? I haven't seen any
Check out MP.com. Holy fuck, its annoying. Just giving you a warning.
It's only a couple of joker's over there stirring the pot, but they sure do have everyone up in arms. I'm surprised the thread hasn't been locked yet.
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To me, it seems like it is NOT locked just because MP is so fucking crazy when it comes to reading and commenting on everything about him or what he used to be associated with.
I believe he desperately wanted the album to be bad so he could trash it. But since it's really fucking good, Mangini is in the band, and DT is doing VERY well without him, he needs something to vent his frustration through.
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It's true? Can you show me some examples of people complaining about the similarities? I haven't seen any
Check out MP.com. Holy fuck, its annoying. Just giving you a warning.
From MP.com:
The album is fucking good. Who gives a shit if there are similarities or not? At least they made their best album is ten years.
Honestly after all this, it makes me start to think that people NEED something to bash DT people with since DT made a fantastic album, they have a phenomenal drummer, and they are doing very well without MP right now.
Please go through this thread and find anyone who is bashing the album for saying it sounds like I&W. You'll get a cookie. Because there are a lot of people praising it for sounding like I&W, and then there are a lot of people complaining about others saying it sound like I&W, but no one is complaining about it actually sounding like I&W.
Looks pretty similar over there to over here
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I don't usually write any comments or reviews of new Dream Theater album until I haven't played it 30-40 times to get real picture but I'll do it now after two spins. I read almost all 26 pages of comments here before listening and I was really expecting masterpiece album. The problem I see on these boards is every time new album is out, it is their best... It happened with Octavarium, Systematic Chaos and then Black Clouds & Silver Linings. All first reviews were ultra-positive and then album wears down I guess? We need more objectivity on those few first spins of new album. Back on this album. On The Backs of Angels was rather good song when I first heard it and was expecting a lot from album. When I read first reviews I thought: "This is it, DT is back!", and after that I read comments here and maybe I was expecting a little too much. You see people posting about top10 DT songs, you see people posting #2 DT album and you really expect a LOT! I must admit I am little disappointed after hearing it. For one I don't feel that flow of album you have on Awake and I&W or those really great and crazy instrumental sections you have on SFAM. Everyone expected that BAI will be the best on album and it really turned out IMO to be the best even if I wasn't really expecting that and IMO BAI isn't really masterpiece. I had much bigger expectations from BITS and Outcry but none of the songs on album struck me on first listen. It really didn't happen in a long time except maybe Octavarium. BC&SL and SC had some moments I was impressed already on first listen. On the top of that I must say that DT technical side always impressed me and how every instrument is really complete and has it's full role in band and I was really disappointed when Portnoy left. I thought: "That's it!" but then they found a drummer who seemed can be even better. Sadly, I must say, on this album at least I was short of real DT drumming job. Drum is mixed too low and really has little memorable moments after two spins. Petrucci seems like he has taken too much on himself to lead this album. Guitar work is really great, but it's too much in front of everyone else. One thing that really made me happy is Jordan playing all those atmosphere parts of songs. I missed that a lot. Also Myung has some really great parts that I caught.
To sum up, this is really the first impression and it will probably change a lot when I hear every song 50 times and song rankings is still a miles away but I'm a bit disappointed by album. Not to get me wrong it is Dream Theater all right! They didn't lose it without Portnoy. Album proves they are still ready for rocking but it is definitely in lower brackets of their albums for me, and nowhere near SFAM or Awake if I can add.
I am happy album is out, and I will definitely not turn away from DT because I see they still have that touch but I expect a lot more from Mangini on next album, and a bit more from DT in whole.
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I think the lyrical quality of this album has increased tremendously when compared to SC & BCASL, infact lyrically and musically the whole album is very mature when compared to SC and BCASL.
I love this album for beginning to end, I haven't felt this excited about a DT album since 8V, I think it will definately see its way into my top 5 with Images, Awake, SFAM & 8V.
9/10
Matt
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I don't usually write any comments or reviews of new Dream Theater album until I haven't played it 30-40 times to get real picture but I'll do it now after two spins.
There's the problem with your post. Once I read that, I didn't care what else you have to say. Most prog music require more than 2 listens to fully appreciate, whether you're initially disappointed or excited. Ive listened 5 times, and am only starting to wrap my head around the music.
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I don't usually write any comments or reviews of new Dream Theater album until I haven't played it 30-40 times to get real picture but I'll do it now after two spins.
There's the problem with your post. Once I read that, I didn't care what else you have to say. Most prog music require more than 2 listens to fully appreciate, whether you're initially disappointed or excited. Ive listened 5 times, and am only starting to wrap my head around the music.
this exactly, why go to all that trouble of reviewing it after 2 listens. There is so much stuff going on that it needs multiple listens to wrap your head around it. I dont think that the drums are mixed too low either, its just that we are used to them being mixed higher up than they should be and now they arent.
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I don't usually write any comments or reviews of new Dream Theater album until I haven't played it 30-40 times to get real picture but I'll do it now after two spins.
There's the problem with your post. Once I read that, I didn't care what else you have to say. Most prog music require more than 2 listens to fully appreciate, whether you're initially disappointed or excited. Ive listened 5 times, and am only starting to wrap my head around the music.
this exactly, why go to all that trouble of reviewing it after 2 listens. There is so much stuff going on that it needs multiple listens to wrap your head around it. I dont think that the drums are mixed too low either, its just that we are used to them being mixed higher up than they should be and now they arent.
Thought exactly this. It's absolutely impossible to judge a DT album after 2 listens. Their albums never have an instant impact on me personally, well no more than 'thats a cool riff, cool solo' etc on first listen. It's not usually until 10+ listens that I start to fully put everything together and see the overall picture.
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I don't usually write any comments or reviews of new Dream Theater album until I haven't played it 30-40 times to get real picture but I'll do it now after two spins.
There's the problem with your post. Once I read that, I didn't care what else you have to say. Most prog music require more than 2 listens to fully appreciate, whether you're initially disappointed or excited. Ive listened 5 times, and am only starting to wrap my head around the music.
this exactly, why go to all that trouble of reviewing it after 2 listens. There is so much stuff going on that it needs multiple listens to wrap your head around it. I dont think that the drums are mixed too low either, its just that we are used to them being mixed higher up than they should be and now they arent.
As I said I don't do it without much of listening but if you read whole text you would realize why I did it. Most reviews here about album being "MINDBLOWING" where made on first listen. And everybody accepted those reviews because they were positive. Don't get me wrong I am DT fanboy more than I would like to be. I will listen to this album hundreds of times more but I expect from DT more on first two listens.
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I don't usually write any comments or reviews of new Dream Theater album until I haven't played it 30-40 times to get real picture but I'll do it now after two spins.
There's the problem with your post. Once I read that, I didn't care what else you have to say. Most prog music require more than 2 listens to fully appreciate, whether you're initially disappointed or excited. Ive listened 5 times, and am only starting to wrap my head around the music.
this exactly, why go to all that trouble of reviewing it after 2 listens. There is so much stuff going on that it needs multiple listens to wrap your head around it. I dont think that the drums are mixed too low either, its just that we are used to them being mixed higher up than they should be and now they arent.
As I said I don't do it without much of listening but if you read whole text you would realize why I did it. Most reviews here about album being "MINDBLOWING" where made on first listen. And everybody accepted those reviews because they were positive. Don't get me wrong I am DT fanboy more than I would like to be. I will listen to this album hundreds of times more but I expect from DT more on first two listens.
Actually, I agree, their last 4 albums (most of 8V excluded) had that intensity that grabs you by the balls within the first few listens. Unfortunately, a lot of the material on those albums loses a lot of that excitement after 7-8 listens. The reason 8V was excluded is the same reason why ADTOE requires a lot more listens; it is dense and complex. It can only grow better with each listen. Thus why I was bothered about reviewing a prog album after only 2 listens.
Did anyone fully understand and appreciate Close To The Edge after 2 listens?
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The Bridges In The Sky chorus is so good, i would go so far as it is one of the best sections Dream Theater has ever created. I really love this album, goes to the top after Scenes From A Memory and Images And Words. I can't really rank the songs, but i will put them into tiers, can only say that BITS is my favorite.
Bridges In The Sky
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath The Surface
Lost Not Forgotten
Outcry
On The Back Of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This Is The Life
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It's true? Can you show me some examples of people complaining about the similarities? I haven't seen any
Check out MP.com. Holy fuck, its annoying. Just giving you a warning.
From MP.com:
The album is fucking good. Who gives a shit if there are similarities or not? At least they made their best album is ten years.
Honestly after all this, it makes me start to think that people NEED something to bash DT people with since DT made a fantastic album, they have a phenomenal drummer, and they are doing very well without MP right now.
Please go through this thread and find anyone who is bashing the album for saying it sounds like I&W. You'll get a cookie. Because there are a lot of people praising it for sounding like I&W, and then there are a lot of people complaining about others saying it sound like I&W, but no one is complaining about it actually sounding like I&W.
Looks pretty similar over there to over here
There is certainly A LOT more negativity over there. Please go threw the thread again. To be more specific, read the thread after Thiago Campos posts his I&W-ADTOE comparison. The complaints are very much there and frequent.
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Still no word on a reliable source of lyrics online? I can't wait to get my hand on the physical CD.
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Loving the Dance of Eternity style chugging in LNF.
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LNF is my favourite :)
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Right now, This Is The Life is stuck in my head
I love that song.
The main theme is the best. In fact, all the main themes on the album are some of their best ever.
Anyone else think the Lost Not Forgotten "chorus" and the first heavy riff in BAI sounds a little like Symphony X? I know SX actually sound like DT anyway, but I noticed it. It's not detracting, but there is some slight similarities.
LNF is super SX inspired. SUPER. It also reminds me, structurally, of UaGM.
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We need more objectivity on those few first spins of new album.
Yes. :tup
While I honestly believe that this album is better than the last two releases (and is about equal to Octavarium and SDOIT), I don't think this album will be as praised as it is now a few months down the line. Certain songs aren't going to lose their general appeal, I don't think (BITS, BAI, BTS), but I can definitely see others become more generally disliked over time (BMU,BMD and This Is The Life).
However, I don't think it'll lose its status in popular opinion (or my opinion) as the best album since SDOIT.
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I don't think This is the Life will lose it's appeal. I think it's gonna be one of those songs that grow over time.
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I really don't believe any of the songs are going to lose any of their appeal. They're not chock-full of sections that grow unbearable after frequent listens, and that says a lot.
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Since the "connections" thread is a shit-fest and I don't want my long posts go to waste:
Some impressions after a selective listen.
Build Be Up, Break Me Down: What a terrible attempt at a single. This song makes no sense whatsoever.
Lost Not Forgotten: Did anyone else noticed that the song opens with a piano that resembles the melody of Lawrence of Arabia?
This is the Life: This is the blatantly obvious mash-up of their previous material. After the intro, the guitar leads to a reminiscent vocal melody of Under a Glass Moon. Then "Some of us choose to live gracefully and proclaim that His will be done. Scriptures they heed have misled them..." 1:45 mark: insert Live at Budokan's Hollow Years solo here. "This is the life we belong to..." as a fan one could think this is a direct jab at MP. The vocal melody in this song is good... but the main structure of of TITL reminds me too much of Sacrified Sons. Tasty guitar solo by JP.
Bridges in the Sky: When you finally listen to this song you understand why it was originally called The Shaman's Trance -I remember that I complained with the original title, but I think they should have kept it, "Bridges in the Sky" doesn't make sense with what the story tells- though those kind of titles don't fit with DT's style. The guttural part reminds me of the crazy sex orgy party scene in Eyes Wide Shut: AWESOME. 2:03 riff is very similar to something from System of a Down (you can listen to it again at 2:32), then they go to a safer DT riff. When JLB finally kicks in I start to finally enjoying it for its own merit. The final guttural part brings a smirk to my face, you know its silly but you want it there.
Outcry: Nonsensical song. We get it, you recovered your style, now you need a real producer that can lead you to write something good.
Far From Heaven: Same as above. It has a lame Disney melody vibe. You can imagine the Hunchback of Notre Dame singing it.
Breaking All Illusions: The best song in this CD. Great riffs, structure, melodies... though not the triumphant return of Myung's lyrics.
Beneath the Surface: This could have been a timeless ballad. Beautiful guitar. Excellent vocals... but it lacks one final, one piece of melody that will make you remember it forever. Had that part existed, we would be looking at DT's biggest hit. All and all it's a beautiful song. After the moog solo I feel the build-up that I felt with In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2 but it suffer that it couldn't reach a climax. This song lacks a climax. That's it.
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Finally getting to post in this thread, and I absolutely *love* the new album. It's not quite to the level of Awake/I&W/SFAM, but it's damn close, if it hasn't already surpassed 6DOIT for #4, I think it soon will. A couple specific song thoughts...
The BitS chorus is one of my absolute favorites that DT has ever done. I can't help but smile every time it hits.
BAI is probably already in my DT top 10, just a stunning song. When the "Searching out..." section hits for the second time, after the instrumental break, it's such a wonderful moment of release
I know the band (or at least JP) has compared BTS to the end credits of a movie, but to me it reminds me of one of those post coitus cigarettes people smoke in the movies. Breaking All Influences has just thoroughly made sweet, sweet love to my ears, and Beneath The Surface comes along and it's just so relaxing and atmospheric :hat
and I know a few people said DT should open with Bridges in the Sky, but I think they should close their set with that and then Far From Heaven + Breaking All Influences as an encore (with Beneath the Surface playing over the PA after the lights come up).
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Mangini's drumming at the end of BITS is so beastly. Listen on loud speakers with a subwoofer. Everything goes nuts. So awesome.
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Mangini's drumming at the end of BITS is so beastly. Listen on loud speakers with a subwoofer. Everything goes nuts. So awesome.
It really is. That's a big part of why I don't think the song would make a great opener, hard as hell to build on the energy from the end of BitS
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Mangini's drumming at the end of BITS is so beastly. Listen on loud speakers with a subwoofer. Everything goes nuts. So awesome.
It really is. That's a big part of why I don't think the song would make a great opener, hard as hell to build on the energy from the end of BitS
I think BMUMBD would go pretty well after Bridges.
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A-boobity boppity bee, I sure do love me some DT - Bill Cosby on A Dramatic Turn of Events, 2011
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Man I was so adamant about BC&SL being superior to this album for my first 4-5 spins but I've been listening to it more and some of it is really starting to hit home. Breaking All Illusions absolutely kills :metal
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This is as good as anything DT has EVER recorded.It SMOKES.The lyrics in quite a few places possess a newfound maturity and depth,Petrucci channels some Greg Howe arp and chromatic goodness in addition to taking his own style above and beyond,Rudess slays all with thermonuclear key wizardry,and Myung and Mangini pave the road like A-10's on strafing runs against enemy tanks.Good Lord.
And if you don't get choked up listening to BTS...well,you may not be breathing.A phenomenal effort. :metal
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Playing a bit of devil's advocate here; why do you think they went with On the Backs of Angels over BMU,BMD as the first single? IMO, Build makes for a brilliant single, probably the best bet they have on radio play for quite a while.
My view would be they didn't want Build as the first taste everyone got of the album - but other than that I can't see a reason for the move.
Thoughts?
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Hey guys. I've come to the conclusion that this album is better than Scenes From A Memory and Awake, and just as good as Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence and Images and Words.
I'm just going to counter that by saying SFAM and Awake were lifechanging for me. This one is great, but I didn't turn into a shaman after listening to it.
ROFL at the shaman comment :rollin
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Currently near the end of another complete listen of the album (out of many) and somewhere around the middle of JP's Breaking All Illusion solo I decided to skip this album in the ranks ahead of BC&SL and SFAM, putting it only behind my big 3 (I&W, SDOIT, TOT). BAI, Outcry and BITS are all top tier DT songs and one of the great things about this album is it has a lot more songs than more recent DT albums. Means that as well as the typical offering of great 10+ minute DT songs you get a lot more varied selection of other songs and good stuff like Beneath The Surface, This Is The Life, and Build Me Up, Break Me Down.
Also, James Labrie's best moment on the album has to be the final chorus of Beneath The Surface.
Also, as to why they went with OTBOA instead of BMU,BMD... remember it wasn't really a single for radio play. It was put up on Youtube, it could be as long as they wanted, and most people that looked at it would already know DT. And like you said, it was going to be the first thing everyone would hear - thousands of fans were waiting for the first taste of new DT (look at how quickly it went up on views and how many people came to this forum on that day). Better they hear something that sounds like typical DT than something that really doesn't. Imagine what everyone would be saying if the very first listen of DT withut Portnoy sounded (let's be honest) like Linkin Park :lol
If they did want to release a conventional single for the album now though, BMUBMD would probably be the way to go.
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Playing a bit of devil's advocate here; why do you think they went with On the Backs of Angels over BMU,BMD as the first single? IMO, Build makes for a brilliant single, probably the best bet they have on radio play for quite a while.
My view would be they didn't want Build as the first taste everyone got of the album - but other than that I can't see a reason for the move.
Thoughts?
Probably because BMUBMD is a more experimental track than OBTBOA was. Everyone seems to have mixed feelings regarding BMUBMD. OTBOA was more widely accepted and DT knew it would be. Good publicity on their part.
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Yeah thats pretty much what I thought; I think it will make a fantastic single, down the line, but yeah being the pre-release track it was probably a better choice to go with OTBOA. I don't know about the Linkin Park reference, I think its a bit more rockin' than that...
Further comments on the album: LNF is probably the only track I'm not really digging at the moment - it will probably take a couple more listens. The rest, brilliant. Shame I'm already half way through my top 50 (which, by the way, is awesome and located here https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=13491.2310 ;D) because I can see most of the album making it there, with a couple pushing for top 10 too.
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Playing a bit of devil's advocate here; why do you think they went with On the Backs of Angels over BMU,BMD as the first single? IMO, Build makes for a brilliant single, probably the best bet they have on radio play for quite a while.
My view would be they didn't want Build as the first taste everyone got of the album - but other than that I can't see a reason for the move.
Thoughts?
Probably because BMUBMD is a more experimental track than OBTBOA was. Everyone seems to have mixed feelings regarding BMUBMD. OTBOA was more widely accepted and DT knew it would be. Good publicity on their part.
+ I get the impression everybody is making a couple of judgements about BMUBMD because it's track 2. Based on the pattern followed on the last two albums.
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BMUBMD is my least favorite from the album, but I love it, and it kicks AROP's ass.
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+ I get the impression everybody is making a couple of judgements about BMUBMD because it's track 2. Based on the pattern followed on the last two albums.
I think some will think that too, but I reckon it could have been anywhere and still been considered most "single-worthy".
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I was skeptical of the Linkin Park comments before I heard the album (after all, it could be the same people that would have you believe Honor Thy Father sounds like Linkin Park) but I'm pretty familiar with Linkin Park since they were my favourite band eight or nine years ago, and when Build Me Up, Break Me Down started I really did think the sound was similar.
For reference, since I know a lot of people probably won't know Linkin Park other than the singles, this is probably what people are thinking of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoRqeYgAGuI
Or maybe this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnU4mFonxoo
You just need to listen to the first few seconds to get the idea. Basically it's just the electronic drums starting off with the similar sounding riff coming in before the rest of the band kicks in with the riff. Obviously BMU,BMD is a lot more technical and it definitely sounds more like DT than anything else, but with the sound at the beginning, the vocal effects, screaming etc. I think the LP / "Nu-metal" comparison makes sense (for once :P)
Not insulting DT in this post at all - like I said Linkin Park were my favourite band when I was younger and I still like them now, and I like Build Me Up, Break Me Down. Just wanted to shed some light on why some people (or I, personally) might compare it with Linkin Park in case people don't hear it.
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You do get the full nu-metal treatment at the start, but like alot of the other tracks its just a big of an "identity" factor (I've just made that up, btw). Pretty much every track has some kind of quirky introduction that helps you identify it. So, yes, I see where you are coming from :)
Great track!
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Just sucks that I am in the U.S. on exchange until christmas and forgot to bring with me my Beyerdynamic DT770 headphones. MAJOR :(
Seriously considering to buy a new set of pro headphones just to be able to grasp the full awesomeness of this album ;D
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Funny thing I realized: My two favourite vocal moments from BC&SL and ADTOE share the same chord progression. :metal
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Funny thing I realized: My two favourite vocal moments from BC&SL and ADTOE share the same chord progression. :metal
which ones?
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Funny thing I realized: My two favourite vocal moments from BC&SL and ADTOE share the same chord progression. :metal
which ones?
The best them!
EDIT: I'm talking about the "peaceful sedation" part in ANTR and the BAI chorus, in case it wasn't obvious :lol
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Both Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are exactly the same length: 11:24.
There is only one explanation for this...
DT clearly ran out of ideas for the new album, and is now blatantly recycling old song structures.
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Both Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are exactly the same length: 11:24.
There is only one explanation for this...
DT clearly ran out of ideas for the new album, and is now blatantly recycling old song structures.
:rollin
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Both Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are exactly the same length: 11:24.
There is only one explanation for this...
DT clearly ran out of ideas for the new album, and is now blatantly recycling old song structures.
False.
Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are both 11:24.
24 is a multiple of 8: 8 times 3.
11 is 8 plus 3.
3 is 8 minus, you guessed it, 5.
This proves the similar song structures were in fact nuggetz.
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Actually, Endless Sacrifice is 1:25, at least according to my iTunes. :P ;)
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In the middle of my first spin of the entire album. (Currently on "Bridges in The Sky")
Noteworthy Songwriting?
Check.
Delicious production?
Check.
Balls and Chunk yet Tasteful?
Check.
JLB's Vocal Performance?
Rawk.
(In my opinion, JLB was an equal partner in this bad boy, and JP was very wise to let him record the vocals in Canada with that dude he used to melt faces off with when they were in Winter Rose together).
This album is really, really good.
Damn, that's all I can say at this point. (I've been slowly typing this post at about a sentence every 10 minutes :loser:)
I'm really digging the CONFIDENCE of this album, and in almost every aspect. Bravado and Balls. Rock and Roll. Just some really GOOD shit.
HOLY SHNIKEES! The song that just came on literally just knocked my nipples off of my titties. Breaking all Illusions?
Now THIS is the DT I lost my virginity listening to in the 9th grade. JP stepped up to the plate and knocked this motherfucker out of the park. James sounds so good and I really, really like JR using more straight-up piano but also brought the damn ruckus. Myung and Mangini provided such a balance and substantive structural anchoring...In other words, they also get an A++ rating.
This is actually the best piece of new music I've heard in a long, long time. Woah!?! This chillax "Since I've been Loving You" bluesy thingy in BAI is so rad.
Confident, bold, and very creative. 10/10 (Wait a minute, make that a 9.75/10 - I just heard a section that reminded me EXACTLY of the TV Show "Beverly Hills: 90210". (I wish I was joking...)
Thank God for good music. Thank God for DT.
Now I'm going to listen to it all the way through just one more time.
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Jesus, Breaking All Illusions gets better every time I listen to it. That "Embrace the Days" part gives me goosebumps every time I listen to it, and the transition from the 5/4 "searching out reaching in" chorus into it is perhaps the best transition between such dissimilar sections in Dream Theater history.
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Both Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are exactly the same length: 11:24.
There is only one explanation for this...
DT clearly ran out of ideas for the new album, and is now blatantly recycling old song structures.
False.
Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are both 11:24.
24 is a multiple of 8: 8 times 3.
11 is 8 plus 3.
3 is 8 minus, you guessed it, 5.
This proves the similar song structures were in fact nuggetz.
Or alternatively, if you add both song lengths up, 11.24 + 11.24 = 24.48
24/3=8
48/9.6=5
5 and 8
Nuggets.
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Anybody else catch a bit of Fatal Tragedy in LNF?
Definitely. I noticed that immediately!
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Anybody else catch a bit of Fatal Tragedy in LNF?
Definitely. I noticed that immediately!
Killer avatar. Kylie FTW!! So hot.
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Actually, Endless Sacrifice is 11:25, at least according to my iTunes. :P ;)
They probably added that extra second after finishing the song, just to cover up the re-writing of Endless Sacrifice.
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Actually, Endless Sacrifice is 11:25, at least according to my iTunes. :P ;)
They probably added that extra second after finishing the song, just to cover up the re-writing of Endless Sacrifice.
It's there to throw us off. Glad you caught that or else we would have missed it!
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Actually, Endless Sacrifice is 11:25, at least according to my iTunes. :P ;)
They probably added that extra second after finishing the song, just to cover up the re-writing of Endless Sacrifice.
It's there to throw us off. Glad you caught that or else we would have missed it!
The actual CD version is 11:23, the version on my iTunes is 11:24, and the version on KevSchmev's iTunes is 11:25... coincidence... or, a valid conspiracy theory? Dream Theater must have distributed the same song with different lengths, off within SECONDS, to cover up the blatant re-write that is Outcry.. It all makes sense to me now.......
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/grylls.jpg)
(I just thought I'd edit this in to point out that this is making fun of the entire stupid debate, and not at all insulting or accusing DT)
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All of this chaos is messing with my train of thought.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/dttot.jpg)
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All of this chaos is messing with my train of thought.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/dttot.jpg)
That's great!
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/grylls.jpg)
Oh my god. :lol
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Not sure what this really means..."noch unveröffentlicht!" which is now posted in the German link provided, but I think it means I don't get to hear ADTOE until tomorrow! No music anymore... >:(
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Not sure what this really means..."noch unveröffentlicht!" which is now posted in the German link provided, but I think it means I don't get to hear ADTOE until tomorrow! No music anymore... >:(
Basically, yes. It means "not yet released".
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Dream Theater: Lost Not Forgotten, I choose you! Lost Not Forgotten, use Tickle Section!
Its super effective! Fans are confused!
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I never thought this day would come, but after 20+ plays, I have concluded that DT once again has created a masterpiece that is on par with the "untouchables", I&W and SFAM :eek
Bold statement yes, but this album is just SICK. It keeps getting better and better with each listen, and there isn't a single song I don't like. They are all either amazing or just great ;D. SFAM and I&W are the only DT albums I could say the same thing about.
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BITS is such a riff factory!!!!Amazing!!
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Both Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are exactly the same length: 11:24.
There is only one explanation for this...
DT clearly ran out of ideas for the new album, and is now blatantly recycling old song structures.
False.
Outcry and Endless Sacrifice are both 11:24.
24 is a multiple of 8: 8 times 3.
11 is 8 plus 3.
3 is 8 minus, you guessed it, 5.
This proves the similar song structures were in fact nuggetz.
Or alternatively, if you add both song lengths up, 11.24 + 11.24 = 24.48
24/3=8
48/9.6=5
5 and 8
Nuggets.
Learn to count.
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Learn to count..
.. of Tuscany.
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Dream Theater: Lost Not Forgotten, I choose you! Lost Not Forgotten, use Tickle Section!
Its super effective! Fans are confused!
Was it a critical hit?
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Anyone here that almost cries when they listen to Beneath the Surface? I'm almost on that "stage".. :biggrin: Must say one thing about BTS, I feel that it is the best ballad/mellow song they have created since The Spirit Carries On imho. :hefdaddy
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Tear inducing moments:
01 - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
"The price I pay, to live this waaaaaaaaaaaayyy"
02 - Bridges In the Sky
"Crossing bridges in the sky, on a journey to renew my life"
03 - Outcry
"Rise up be counted, stand strong and unite"
04 - Breaking All Illusions
"New realities, singularities, breaking all illusions"
"Life's biggest battles, often are fought alone"
05 - Beneath the Surface
Ehh.. yeah pretty much the whole thing.
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:omg: *Easily* The Best album since Scenes From A Memory.
It sounds so fresh and effortless. Also LaBrie sounds the best he has done since SFAM for sure.
:tup
Breaking All Illusions is :hefdaddy
EDIT - haha wtf disco section :lol
Gonna iPod this and take a nice long walk listening to it :) - same as I did for BC&SL. Can really focus on the music then with no distractions :)
EDIT 2 - :o Breaking All Illusions Blues solo :metal
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Yeah, so the postman just made a delivery to my house.
It wasn't ADTOE.
I am mad.
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Yeah, so the postman just made a delivery to my house.
It wasn't ADTOE.
I am mad.
You should have beaten down the postman for not bringing ADTOE to you :biggrin:
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Hardly ever had a pre-order from Amazon that didn't arrive on release day. Weird. Here's hoping for tomorrow.
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I was skeptical of the Linkin Park comments before I heard the album (after all, it could be the same people that would have you believe Honor Thy Father sounds like Linkin Park) but I'm pretty familiar with Linkin Park since they were my favourite band eight or nine years ago, and when Build Me Up, Break Me Down started I really did think the sound was similar.
For reference, since I know a lot of people probably won't know Linkin Park other than the singles, this is probably what people are thinking of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoRqeYgAGuI
Or maybe this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnU4mFonxoo
You just need to listen to the first few seconds to get the idea. Basically it's just the electronic drums starting off with the similar sounding riff coming in before the rest of the band kicks in with the riff. Obviously BMU,BMD is a lot more technical and it definitely sounds more like DT than anything else, but with the sound at the beginning, the vocal effects, screaming etc. I think the LP / "Nu-metal" comparison makes sense (for once :P)
Not insulting DT in this post at all - like I said Linkin Park were my favourite band when I was younger and I still like them now, and I like Build Me Up, Break Me Down. Just wanted to shed some light on why some people (or I, personally) might compare it with Linkin Park in case people don't hear it.
Interesting post, I'm very excited to hear how that track sounds. In any case, it might be more accurate to describe it as the "classic" LP sound, considering they've long since abandoned that style of music. :P
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Beneath the Surface: This could have been a timeless ballad. Beautiful guitar. Excellent vocals... but it lacks one final, one piece of melody that will make you remember it forever. Had that part existed, we would be looking at DT's biggest hit. All and all it's a beautiful song. After the moog solo I feel the build-up that I felt with In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2 but it suffer that it couldn't reach a climax. This song lacks a climax. That's it.
The part in that last chorus where James lets loose is pretty climactic to me. I think the song is perfect the way it is.
I'm guessing that that is the solo that JR was talking about where he said JP wanted him to come up with something special.
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I can tell you this: I spoiled LNF for myself yesterday, and I definitely reached a climax. ;)
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Just listened to it and...it's definitely up there with the best! Astonishing album with not one bad song. :D
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Lost Not Forgotten: Did anyone else noticed that the song opens with a piano that resembles the melody of Lawrence of Arabia?
I had exactly the same impression :D
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I have a 8 week old son who wakes up twice a night to eat, so I get up and change his diaper and give him to my wife. I usually go use the bathroom after that. I'm singing songs from ADTOE in my head the whole time. I think that's a good sign about this album! :)
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It's incredible. I see in a lot of music forums that people is amazed with this new DT album, and it is just here where I see more blaming against the album.
If they had follow the same "modern" path started with Octavarium and mainly in SC and BC&SL, then is shit. If they are now releasing music like the classic DT is shit too. Do you enjoy something about music? I mean, what's the point of being analyzing that way an album? It's hilarious...what do you want people? Why don't you start a band and release the perfect music for you?
The album is AMAZING and WONDERFUL and if you don't like it is because you are burned of music and DT. Itis better that you stop listening to DT and start to listen other kind of music. That happens sometimes.
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After a fair bit more listening, this album doesn't have as many really high highs as I had anticipated it would from early listens. But it boasts more or less consistent quality, which is something none of their recent albums did. It's all either good, very good, or excellent. That's enough for me.
For me, BITS and BAI are the only excellents at this point though. But other tracks might make it up there still.
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Rich Wilson was right, this album is a massive grower.
I loved it at first sight, but almost every song grows after each listen...I think that there are just too many things in each song, you have to enjoy them one by one, slowly..
Also my ranking has changed...now it would be something like
1) Outcry (just fell in love @ 8.30, after the instrumental section..) + LNF
3) Beneath the Surface, BAI, Far From Heaven
6) BITS, OTBA
8) BMUBMD (great riff, great outro, great chours, just the verse is a bit annoying)
9) TITL (the only "shrinker" IMO) I like the main idea in 5/8 and the first couple of minutes, then it becomes a boring 12/8 ballad
PS
As concerns other "infamous threads" I read, I can only comment that UAGM doesn't have any piano intro, doesn't have any Chopinsque crazy piano arpeggio in the background while the main riffs kicks in, doesn't have a crazy instrumental unison in the intro and the main riff during the verse is in 6/4 and not 4/4.
I stopped reading the "similarites" (?) thread there.
PPS
If we really want to play the game, I would say that the piano arpeggio + heavy riff section is very Muse-sque and the main riff reminds me of FT much more than UAGM...but this is really a silly game.
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EDIT: The Jersey Shore lingo being used in this thread makes me smile.
It's more I have just violated forum rule #1--please ban me/internet forum lingo than it is Jersey Shore lol.
Samara, there are certain sites that may not, under any circumstances, be referenced here as they clearly violate this forums rules. Please do not do so again.
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I'm singing songs from ADTOE in my head the whole time. I think that's a good sign about this album! :)
This for me too. I often randomly sing parts of my favourite songs :blush But I keep getting not only vocals, but instrumental parts stuck in my head from this new album. And it's not even only when I'm bored or not concentrating on anything either - last night I was watching The Sopranos but BAI kept popping into my head for no reason :lol
As you say, it's definitely a good sign and it's still getting better with each listen, noticing new things and getting more familiar with the songs etc. :D
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I got mine today. Just gunna put the headphones on and listen. I will probably Mangini whilst listening to it.
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So, Jordan didn't get rid of the wanky solos without melody. He sometimes does that very well (TROAE) but I don't like the one on this album.
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(I just thought I'd edit this in to point out that this is making fun of the entire stupid debate, and not at all insulting or accusing DT)
A+. would lol again.
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JLB's latest tweet:
"The continued excitement and positive response is the best we could have hoped for. You all raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawk."
Carry on.
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I haven't been on this forum that long and I have been pretty shy for the most part, but how were your initial reactions regarding the release of BCSL compared to the release of ADTOE? I mean, there is always high expectations and loads of hype for new albums, but were people saying the same things now as they were then? for instance:
How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Not so much that DT are back, because its obviously different with the new changes, but more so the second statement. Or is it too early to say?
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I haven't been on this forum that long and I have been pretty shy for the most part, but how were your initial reactions regarding the release of BCSL compared to the release of ADTOE? I mean, there is always high expectations and loads of hype for new albums, but were people saying the same things now as they were then? for instance:
How can it not be ok anymore? If RR themselves release the album to the public?
Ok, I'll say it first: DT are back. baby. This is their strongest since 6DOIT.
rumborak
Not so much that DT are back, because its obviously different with the new changes, but more so the second statement. Or is it too early to say?
One of the BC&SL threads has been bumped recently so you can look for yourself and see what people said about it at first:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=2330.0
I think you're right though, when a new album comes out it's usually either "Wow, amazing!" (usually if it's a follow up to a not so well recieved album) or "Wow, disappointing" (usually if it comes after a well recieved album), and you have to wait a little bit for initial reactions to wear off before you see how it is eventually recieved.
Edit: Also, we're allowed to just post threads about ADTOE now yeah? I know there's already the Bridges In The Sky intro thread, but I think the 12th was when we were allowed to discuss more specific stuff (with spoilers until the 13th) instead of just having this thread?
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Yeah, so the postman just made a delivery to my house.
It wasn't ADTOE.
I am mad.
You should have beaten down the postman for not bringing ADTOE to you :biggrin:
You should have built up and broken down the postman for not bringing ADTOE to you.
This is so easy. Should I stop this?
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My judgement for now is that it's definitely DT's most consistent album since SDOIT or maybe ToT, although at the moment none of the individual songs are top 20 for me, although over time some of them might edge their way in there (LNF, TITL, BITS could definitely end up rising). But then again, nothing from SFAM is top 20 for me, and that album still floors me every time I listen to it.
Right now ADTOE isn't close to the SDOIT/SFAM/IaW trinity for me. Beyond that, its consistency could put it in 4th place, but going by individual songs, every other post-SDOIT album has songs I enjoy more, so I'm not sure how I'd rank it yet.
So a maximum of 4th place. I don't want it to sound like I'm down on the album, because I think it's a fantastic album, and there's not a song I hate on it, but it's not going to crack the top 3 for me.
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Also, had I not been familiar with OTBOA before the album's release, it'd be a couple notches higher.
Maybe that's a sign that you shouldn't be ranking the album yet? How do a couple of extra listens diminish whether or not the song is good?
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The album is great. Dream Theater have returned to form at last.
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Wow. Just amazing. I love BITS and TITL. Gunna have a few more listens to rank properly but qt the minute I put Bridges top. And it was my least favourite snippet.
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My judgement for now is that it's definitely DT's most consistent album since SDOIT or maybe ToT, although at the moment none of the individual songs are top 20 for me, although over time some of them might edge their way in there
I agree with this. :)
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Outrcry and Breaking All Illusions are in my top 20... the rest aren't.
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WOW. Really enjoy the album. Nothing seems to be quite at the level of Count of Tuscany or Learning to Live (in other words, nothing quite (as or right now) in the top 5 DT songs, but there are no weak points for me. However, most of my favorite songs didn't become that way until repeated listens. Only two albums were this strong for me on first listen - I&W and SFAM. Where this will end up, I'm not sure, but I suspect somewhere just below those two (maybe even above SFAM). A lot to focus on in here.
BTW - the argument yesterday/last night may have been the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
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WOW. Really enjoy the album. Nothing seems to be quite at the level of Count of Tuscany or Learning to Live (in other words, nothing quite (as or right now) in the top 5 DT songs, but there are no weak points for me. However, most of my favorite songs didn't become that way until repeated listens. Only two albums were this strong for me on first listen - I&W and SFAM. Where this will end up, I'm not sure, but I suspect somewhere just below those two (maybe even above SFAM). A lot to focus on in here.
BTW - the argument yesterday/last night may have been the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
Just go to MP.com and tell me there aren't things that are even more ridiculous. ;D
B.Lee
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Well, i'm going to be the minority here in saying I feel the album lack inspiration.
It's not a bad album in the sense that it is both technically challenging and diversified, but I fail to find the connection I had with BC&SL or Octavarium in the new album. Just so you know, I was very pleased there wasn't any 20 minute songs this time. So I have no problems with the lack of "epics". But still, the first few songs felt like JP and the boys were on cruise control. What I love in DT's music is that sometimes a song will go in all directions, but somehow will find a way to stay fluid (in the likeness of Yes or many other prog bands). Sadly, On the Backs of Angels, Build Me Up and This is the Life does exactly what we expect them to (I swear I feel like I've heard these riffs 100 times). They're good songs, but in a way, they feel kind of boring to me.
One thing is consensual: it is not a continuity in DT's discography. Portnoy's departure clearly brought the band elsewhere, or as some of you suggest it, back to Moore era DT (structurally wise, even if I expressed my reticence on it earlier). I am really optimistic about DT's future which, with the incredible talent of MM, is very promising.
The album doesn't feel rushed, but still find a way to look like it's incomplete. I can't find any memorable melodies or big emotional climax.
However, I have to say that one song really hit me in the face: Breaking All Illusions. I think we can already say that it is the masterpiece on ADToE. In a Wait for Sleep/Learning to Live kind of way, the connection between FFH and BAI really got me. The instrumental section is nuts and it represent exactly what I was talking about earlier (going in all directions but staying fluid). Also, Outcry is a really solid song. The instrumental part in it is also incredible.
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Well, i'm going to be the minority here in saying I feel the album lack inspiration.
It's not a bad album in the sense that it is both technically challenging and diversified, but I fail to find the connection I had with BC&SL or Octavarium in the new album. Just so you know, I was very pleased there wasn't any 20 minute songs this time. So I have no problems with the lack of "epics". But still, the first few songs felt like JP and the boys were on cruise control. What I love in DT's music is that sometimes a song will go in all directions, but somehow will find a way to stay fluid (in the likeness of Yes or many other prog bands). Sadly, On the Backs of Angels, Build Me Up and This is the Life does exactly what we expect them to (I swear I feel like I've heard these riffs 100 times). They're good songs, but in a way, they feel kind of boring to me.
One thing is consensual: it is not a continuity in DT's discography. Portnoy's departure clearly brought the band elsewhere, or as some of you suggest it, back to Moore era DT (structurally wise, even if I expressed my reticence on it earlier). I am really optimistic about DT's future which, with the incredible talent of MM, is very promising.
The album doesn't feel rushed, but still find a way to look like it's incomplete. I can't find any memorable melodies or big emotional climax.
However, I have to say that one song really hit me in the face: Breaking All Illusions. I think we can already say that it is the masterpiece on ADToE. In a Wait for Sleep/Learning to Live kind of way, the connection between FFH and BAI really got me. The instrumental section is nuts and it represent exactly what I was talking about earlier (going in all directions but staying fluid). Also, Outcry is a really solid song. The instrumental part in it is also incredible.
Agreed. Very well put, I have a similar opinion.
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After listening to the album for a few days, here are a few random thoughts.
I don't know what it is but I'm not totally feeling this album just yet. It will problaby get better in time but to me, every song except the ballads and Illusions sounds almost exactly the same. They start with an odd intro and to then suddenly get extremely heavy with big riffs going on. The keyboards are a bit over-dramatic for my taste. They don't always have to have a choir sound to be good. It comes off as rather cheesy in places actually. When the verses come, the keyboards tone down but the heavy "riffing" is still going on while Labrie is trying to sound as tough and brutal as he possibly can. (Lost Not Forgotten best example).
The choruses are a bit weak I think. It feels like you're sitting there waiting for that high point to come but it never does. The instrumental sections are on the other hand some of their best since...well, ever. Really creative, intense and just plain cool. You never know where they might go next.
At this point, Breaking All Illusions is the only song to me that feels creative in terms of actual songwriting, the other ones seems to follow a very straight and similar path, I'm having a time seperating all the tracks as they sound so much alike with the heavy riffs and toned down verses. Oh well, gonna keep listening and maybe find other good pieces.
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Well, i'm going to be the minority here in saying I feel the album lack inspiration.
The album doesn't feel rushed, but still find a way to look like it's incomplete. I can't find any memorable melodies or big emotional climax.
I don't know where you got your copy (some Chinese remake?), but lack of inspiration is the last thing my copy sounds like. Sounds really inspired to me, and I also find it inspirational myself.
Memorable melodies are what made this record as good as it is IMO. The kind of melodies here are just what I think are good ones. I suppose what you would call a good melody is what I'd call extremely boring, but to me the melodies here are either catchy, interesting or beautiful.
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I think it would have worked better if they had weaved the instrumental sections in and out of the verses and choruses instead of always having them stand by themselves. Too predictable. To me the best example of weaving instrumental sections in and out and thus creating a great non-standard structure is "Only A Matter of Time".
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While everyone is talking about the music, has anyone discussed the conceptual art in the CD casing? Some pretty strange, yet awesome images here. The quote "may healing waters bury all my pain" confuses me...
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I think it is a little early to have a solid opinion on ADTOE. It will probably be a grower, and i am really enjoying it like only SFAM from the beginning. My actual feeling is that it is to become one of DT key masterpieces.
Is it me or am i really hearing some bad ass LTE in Outcry's instrumental section? (JR and JP were the main LTE composers).
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I think it is a little early to have a solid opinion on ADTOE. It will probably be a grower, and i am really enjoying it like only SFAM from the beginning. My actual feeling is that it is to become one of DT key masterpieces.
Is it me or am i really hearing some bad ass LTE in Outcry's instrumental section? (JR and JP were the main LTE composers).
I hear the influence, too. Also, after the guitar solo in OTBOA. Huge LTE-sounding riff right there!
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I think it is a little early to have a solid opinion on ADTOE. It will probably be a grower, and i am really enjoying it like only SFAM from the beginning. My actual feeling is that it is to become one of DT key masterpieces.
Is it me or am i really hearing some bad ass LTE in Outcry's instrumental section? (JR and JP were the main LTE composers).
I hear the influence, too. Also, after the guitar solo in OTBOA. Huge LTE-sounding riff right there!
JR said that this album would have a lot more piano. And the piano on the harder parts gives some LTE vibe, and i love it
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I'm currently on Lost Not Forgotten - my first listen of the album.
I would like to say that James's double tracked vocals sound incredible. Brings me back to SFAM.
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I'm currently on Lost Not Forgotten - my first listen of the album.
I would like to say that James's double tracked vocals sound incredible. Brings me back to SFAM.
LNF has been a real grower for me, I liked it at first, but it's getting better with each listen.
I agree with you on the SFAM style vocals too, it's awesome!
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The chorus to Build Me Up, Break Me Down is starting to really grow on me. And while I first thought that the verses would have sounded better with an electronic drum beat (similar to the very beginning of the song), I am totally digging the groove Mangini lays down during them now.
I also love his cymbal ride during the Bridges in the Sky choruses. It sounds so simple, yet so cool.
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My review.
This is unquestionably the best album since Scenes From a Memory. There’s a consistency that wasn’t on the 00’s albums. No filler, no song that reminds you of another band, no lyrical exageration and also no excessive agression on a band that’s more recognized by it’s prog atributes than being a Metalcore or thrash metal for example. Each song has it’s own personality and we can really tell that it’s a set of fresh and original songs on various parts I can also say that this is a completely Prog Metal album, much more than Octavarium was (their last so called one). One of the essencial things about ADTOE is its upgrade from BC&SL by being Jordan Rudess all over the place. In my opinion, if we can get to hear a keyboard stem mix it’s almost the entire skeleton of the album.
Starting with On The Backs Of Angels, it’s musical structure is very similar to Pull Me Under and it’s not a big issue. It’s a fairly pleasent song with a great build up, intense keyboards and piano, JLB sings very nicely but probably the biggest downfall of the song is it’s monocordic chorus, and sometimes makes me feel singing Pull me Under right before the chorus. Being a quite fresh tune with small nuances very easy to listen without getting tired. A good start. 7.5/10
Following, comes the first winner of ADTOE which is Build Me Up, Break me Down. An upgrade of Forsaken from Systematic Chaos, which runs almost 7 minutes and I think it’s easily editable to be a single.This one starts with a techno beat followed by some very downtuned riffs from John Petrucci, I can finally hear some agressive and In your face vocals from JLB reminding a little of Awake and the chorus is very catchy. Probably it will be the best single of the past year. 8.5/10
Lost not Forgotten starts with a wonderful piano from JR reminding of the desert theme. Right before JLB starts singing theres an unexpected glorious technical part from the band. Afterwards it gets very metal, JLB sings great and really fucking love the chorus, it makes me headbang every time. The instrumental part is quite fun and technical and when we get to the key and guitar solos it definately reminds me of Under a Glass Moon in a good way. No questions is the one of the best of the record. 9.5/10
The power ballad This is the Life, is filled with piano and huge solos from both JP and JR. This one reminds me of the band in the Falling into Infinity period, it’s a great balad without any technical masturbation and quite more interesting than Wither. 8/10
With Bridges in the Sky my jaw dropped, its beginning is “the” strangest oddity of the record because any casual listener will think this is a collection of burps, but as any die hard will know it’s about the Shaman. This is the most aggressive song of the record and it throws us to Train of Thought but this time JLB is singing like he should, the chorus is so epic! The instrumental part is interesting and goes by very fast. 8/10
Outcry I can imagine the most dividing song for the fanbase. It starts off very well with a nice mix of drums keyboards and guitar, but any fan notices that there’s something different about this one. It has some moderns twists and when the instrumental starts The Dance of Eternity is literaly back. There’s 4 minutes of too damn much going going nowhere and when JLB returns it’s like a breath of fresh air. 7/10
After these two 11 minute insane epics I quickly thought of being on the end of the album when the much expected and beautiful strings and piano ballad Far From Heaven comes. I assure anyone that anyone who loves to hear La bRie sing Wait for Sleep or Surrounded will adore this one. I could live without the strings but doesn’t ruin it. 9/10
My favourite song is Breaking All Ilusions, with lyrics from John Myung, doesn’t take any prisoners from the start and throws you right away to that I&W world which was long missing. It’s like the older brother of Learning to Live, love the bass work, the arrangements and JLB is actually close to his glory days and that chorus is so awesome.. the instrumental is technical, proggy with no exagerations and those JP guitar solos are huge a la the Best of Times or The Count of Tuscany, it ends perfectly and emotionaly, I can safely bet this is the one everyone will love. 9.5/10
Beneath the Surface is the oddball of A Dramatic Turn of Events, if it ended with BAI I’d be happy but the more happier I was when this essencially acoustic ballad appeared , its quite uplifting with a keyboard solo that recalls 70’s prog with good vocals, ending this journey. 7.5/10
It’s easy to claim that without Mike Portnoy there’s a new free found joy within this band. There are few bands that get a rebirth and I think ADTOE is the one, in the sense that there’s a musical exploration much more proggier and fresh, and with the musical leadership turning to JR, this album is all that most fans that didn’t enjoy the 00’s wanted. It isn’t I&W nor Awake nor Scenes, it’s a different beast. I also think that DT got back on the Prog Metal horse, one that wasn’t very clear before. Let’s hope that Mike Mangini who did very well finds his place in the band..
8.5/10
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(I just thought I'd edit this in to point out that this is making fun of the entire stupid debate, and not at all insulting or accusing DT)
A+. would lol again.
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do you know what this album is that other DT albums released over the past decade have not been? Consistent.
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I seem to remember a little less than a year ago, JP posting a status on facebook about how he just finished a kick ass song, or a bad ass riff or something like that. I wonder which song he was referring to. haha.
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Its up there among the best.
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My review.
This is unquestionably the best album since Scenes From a Memory. There’s a consistency that wasn’t on the 00’s albums. No filler, no song that reminds you of another band, no lyrical exageration and also no excessive agression on a band that’s more recognized by it’s prog atributes than being a Metalcore or thrash metal for example. Each song has it’s own personality and we can really tell that it’s a set of fresh and original songs on various parts I can also say that this is a completely Prog Metal album, much more than Octavarium was (their last so called one). One of the essencial things about ADTOE is its upgrade from BC&SL by being Jordan Rudess all over the place. In my opinion, if we can get to hear a keyboard stem mix it’s almost the entire skeleton of the album.
Starting with On The Backs Of Angels, it’s musical structure is very similar to Pull Me Under and it’s not a big issue. It’s a fairly pleasent song with a great build up, intense keyboards and piano, JLB sings very nicely but probably the biggest downfall of the song is it’s monocordic chorus, and sometimes makes me feel singing Pull me Under right before the chorus. Being a quite fresh tune with small nuances very easy to listen without getting tired. A good start. 7.5/10
Following, comes the first winner of ADTOE which is Build Me Up, Break me Down. An upgrade of Forsaken from Systematic Chaos, which runs almost 7 minutes and I think it’s easily editable to be a single.This one starts with a techno beat followed by some very downtuned riffs from John Petrucci, I can finally hear some agressive and In your face vocals from JLB reminding a little of Awake and the chorus is very catchy. Probably it will be the best single of the past year. 8.5/10
Lost not Forgotten starts with a wonderful piano from JR reminding of the desert theme. Right before JLB starts singing theres an unexpected glorious technical part from the band. Afterwards it gets very metal, JLB sings great and really fucking love the chorus, it makes me headbang every time. The instrumental part is quite fun and technical and when we get to the key and guitar solos it definately reminds me of Under a Glass Moon in a good way. No questions is the one of the best of the record. 9.5/10
The power ballad This is the Life, is filled with piano and huge solos from both JP and JR. This one reminds me of the band in the Falling into Infinity period, it’s a great balad without any technical masturbation and quite more interesting than Wither. 8/10
With Bridges in the Sky my jaw dropped, its beginning is “the” strangest oddity of the record because any casual listener will think this is a collection of burps, but as any die hard will know it’s about the Shaman. This is the most aggressive song of the record and it throws us to Train of Thought but this time JLB is singing like he should, the chorus is so epic! The instrumental part is interesting and goes by very fast. 8/10
Outcry I can imagine the most dividing song for the fanbase. It starts off very well with a nice mix of drums keyboards and guitar, but any fan notices that there’s something different about this one. It has some moderns twists and when the instrumental starts The Dance of Eternity is literaly back. There’s 4 minutes of too damn much going going nowhere and when JLB returns it’s like a breath of fresh air. 7/10
After these two 11 minute insane epics I quickly thought of being on the end of the album when the much expected and beautiful strings and piano ballad Far From Heaven comes. I assure anyone that anyone who loves to hear La bRie sing Wait for Sleep or Surrounded will adore this one. I could live without the strings but doesn’t ruin it. 9/10
My favourite song is Breaking All Ilusions, with lyrics from John Myung, doesn’t take any prisoners from the start and throws you right away to that I&W world which was long missing. It’s like the older brother of Learning to Live, love the bass work, the arrangements and JLB is actually close to his glory days and that chorus is so awesome.. the instrumental is technical, proggy with no exagerations and those JP guitar solos are huge a la the Best of Times or The Count of Tuscany, it ends perfectly and emotionaly, I can safely bet this is the one everyone will love. 9.5/10
Beneath the Surface is the oddball of A Dramatic Turn of Events, if it ended with BAI I’d be happy but the more happier I was when this essencially acoustic ballad appeared , its quite uplifting with a keyboard solo that recalls 70’s prog with good vocals, ending this journey. 7.5/10
It’s easy to claim that without Mike Portnoy there’s a new free found joy within this band. There are few bands that get a rebirth and I think ADTOE is the one, in the sense that there’s a musical exploration much more proggier and fresh, and with the musical leadership turning to JR, this album is all that most fans that didn’t enjoy the 00’s wanted. It isn’t I&W nor Awake nor Scenes, it’s a different beast. I also think that DT got back on the Prog Metal horse, one that wasn’t very clear before. Let’s hope that Mike Mangini who did very well finds his place in the band..
8.5/10
Nice review.
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Love the album on first few listens! Quick thoughts about each track:
OTBOA is like a DT single from the last couple of albums only done much better
build me up, break me down has such brutal riffage I challenge any of you to keep your head still when the main riff comes in, probably going to get old quicker than the rest of the album but its the only one where the guitar riffs made me think "I'm so going to learn this bad boy"
Lost not Forgotten is the first solid song in all departments, superb long heavy DT track
This is the life is really beautiful ballad with great melodic instrumental melodies between the vocals
Bridges in the sky is just generally jaw dropping
Outcry has such a ridiculous instrumental I grin ear to ear on every listen
Far From heaven has SUCH a perfect intro
Breaking all Illusions is one of those tracks where everything slots really well together, great all round song
Beneath the surface is the perfect closer
At times it hit massive melodic parts on a par with SFAM, other times it was brutal and/or technical like 6DOIT, this is pencilled in at no.4 in my DT album rankings based on my first impressions!
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Top 10:
Beneath The Surface
Breaking All Illusions
Top 25:
Bridges In The Sky
Far From Heaven
Top 50:
This Is The Life
Lost Not Forgotten
Outcry
On The Backs Of Angels
Not Top 50:
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
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Am I the only one that thinks:
Outcry Riff = That sweet Audition Riff that Thomas Lang nailed? But with a slower tempo?
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Wow. I am quite speechless after two listens. It is too early to compare to other albums, but at the moment it feels that this could easily be a TOP5 Dream Theater album.
There are some magical moments, such as the ending of the instrumental section of Outcry and almost the whole Breaking All Illusions. I also really liked the more mellow parts and songs. The only song that did not cause huge pleasure when listening was BMUBMD. But I'll give it a couple of listens tomorrow, let's see if it feels better after that.
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This album is far greater than Octavarium, SC, and BCASL.
I'd say it's their best since Six Degrees.
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just got an email from the omegaorder that my box set has been delayed "This was a quality issue and Dream Theater, Roadrunner Records, and The Omega Order want to ensure the best possible audio experience for the new album to its fans.The product will arrive to our warehouses later this week and we will start shipping all orders upon arrival.We apologize for the delay, but would not want to provide an inferior product in its place."....sucks...i am a sad panda :(
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Drove my wife to best buy and I was bored walking around the cds area when a best buy guy asked me if I needed help so I asked him about ADTOE which he had no idea about but told me if it's a new release it will be out first thing in the morning, which I already knew and was planning to pick it up. Then for some reason I went "But it's probably already at the back of the store right", he said yes so I went on "It seems a little silly that I'm coming back tomorrow morning to pick it up while both me and the CD are already here", "We can't sell CDs or DVDs prior to their release date", "I understand that but c'mon it's tomorrow, it's not like I'm gonna snitch or anything", "I know but we'll be fined 500,000$ if we did that", "Who'll know? seriously? just give it to me". It's like I was possessed by Larry David! We continued joking about it and one of the things he said was "Gosh and I thought the Lady Gaga fans were intense on the release day" and I told him "I'll pretend you didn't just make that comparison" :lol
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Drove my wife to best buy and I was bored walking around the cds area when a best buy guy asked me if I needed help so I asked him about ADTOE which he had no idea about but told me if it's a new release it will be out first thing in the morning, which I already knew and was planning to pick it up. Then for some reason I went "But it's probably already at the back of the store right", he said yes so I went on "It seems a little silly that I'm coming back tomorrow morning to pick it up while both me and the CD are already here", "We can't sell CDs or DVDs prior to their release date", "I understand that but c'mon it's tomorrow, it's not like I'm gonna snitch or anything", "I know but we'll be fined 500,000$ if we did that", "Who'll know? seriously? just give it to me". It's like I was possessed by Larry David! We continued joking about it and one of the things he said was "Gosh and I thought the Lady Gaga fans were intense on the release day" and I told him "I'll pretend you didn't just make that comparison" :lol
I hope you kept on bothering him after that to give you the CD.
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so has anyone else that ordered the box set also recieved the same email as me?
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I think I found the main reason why I like this album so much.
On the more recent releases, they tried too hard establishing a song based on a single riff.
It feels like on ADToE, they captured an entire mood rather than a riff or motif. More like their "top tier" albums as some might say.
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Drove my wife to best buy and I was bored walking around the cds area when a best buy guy asked me if I needed help so I asked him about ADTOE which he had no idea about but told me if it's a new release it will be out first thing in the morning, which I already knew and was planning to pick it up. Then for some reason I went "But it's probably already at the back of the store right", he said yes so I went on "It seems a little silly that I'm coming back tomorrow morning to pick it up while both me and the CD are already here", "We can't sell CDs or DVDs prior to their release date", "I understand that but c'mon it's tomorrow, it's not like I'm gonna snitch or anything", "I know but we'll be fined 500,000$ if we did that", "Who'll know? seriously? just give it to me". It's like I was possessed by Larry David! We continued joking about it and one of the things he said was "Gosh and I thought the Lady Gaga fans were intense on the release day" and I told him "I'll pretend you didn't just make that comparison" :lol
oh man that sucks but kinda funny at the same time :) so no CD yet??? Oh well patience my friend
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Drove my wife to best buy and I was bored walking around the cds area when a best buy guy asked me if I needed help so I asked him about ADTOE which he had no idea about but told me if it's a new release it will be out first thing in the morning, which I already knew and was planning to pick it up. Then for some reason I went "But it's probably already at the back of the store right", he said yes so I went on "It seems a little silly that I'm coming back tomorrow morning to pick it up while both me and the CD are already here", "We can't sell CDs or DVDs prior to their release date", "I understand that but c'mon it's tomorrow, it's not like I'm gonna snitch or anything", "I know but we'll be fined 500,000$ if we did that", "Who'll know? seriously? just give it to me". It's like I was possessed by Larry David! We continued joking about it and one of the things he said was "Gosh and I thought the Lady Gaga fans were intense on the release day" and I told him "I'll pretend you didn't just make that comparison" :lol
Haha, good try, but I am pretty sure it would be easy to catch since it has to be scanned when the purchase is made.
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Yeah I couldn't get it the cd and I didn't wanna keep at it until it gets annoying but if I see him tomorrow when I go pick it up I'll point out again that this was pointless hehe
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I think I found the main reason why I like this album so much.
On the more recent releases, they tried too hard establishing a song based on a single riff.
It feels like on ADToE, they captured an entire mood rather than a riff or motif. More like their "top tier" albums as some might say.
I wouldn't go so far as to say they've created a mood. Awake has a mood, SFAM has a mood, even SDOIT sort of has a mood. This one is great, but I can't say it puts me in 'the ADTOE zone". There are too few repeating motifs and ideas.
Pretty much every album since SDOIT has felt like a "half album" to me for some reason, like it's a simplified version of all that previous stuff.
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It's like I was possessed by Larry David!
:rollin
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I think this album will wear well after many listens because of the variety of layers and textures within the songs. Also, Mike 1.0 played on top of the beat in many songs, giving them an artificially "rushed" feel. This can cause listener fatigue (some of the recent releases would literally make me feel tired after spinning the entire disc). Mike 2.0 lays down a very relaxed but musical beat, usually right in the pocket.
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On my first listen, and I gotta say I really really enjoy the album so far. To be honest, I was not expecting to dig it at all, just because I haven't felt like listening to Dream Theater at all in the past two years or so. The first year I discovered them I absolutely loved them and could not get enough, but I just kind of grew tired with their sound. It just started to get... stale.
But man, I gotta say I really dig the energy on the new album. You can tell the band is refreshed, because their songs SOUND refreshed. There's just a little something extra that hasn't been on a DT album in the past 10 years or so. There are a few musical things I'm not a huge fan of, but I feel like they really tried to explore more ground this time around, and I really appreciate that they're doing that. I'm actually even considering going to their show when they come. I didn't plan on going at all before, but if they are gonna be playing a fair bit of this.... I might!
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I've listened to the album going on 15 or so times now and it continues to grow on me with each listen. It's perfectly written, balanced, produced, mixed, and performed in my opinion. I love listening to it from start to finish, savoring the ride to the very end. To me it's a perfect album. Each member is at the top of his game. I really can't find any fault with it at all. I won't be getting tired of it any time soon that's for sure. DT hit the ball out of the park. :metal
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after ~5 listens or so, i must admit im still disappointed. there wasn't anything all that awful about the album, but there wasn't anything all that memorable, either.
i enjoyed listening, and then completely forgot everything about it. this has never happened with a DT album for me.
the guys do some cool stuff with their instruments, but still seem to seriously lack the ability to maintain continuity in the song. this album also lacks catchy choruses to sing along with, again, that new for me.
i think the rudess/petrucci team are capable of some serious sick song writing, and there are hints of it through the album, but overall they still struggle to play against and around one another. i feel like they really do just give each other space in certain places without a real attempt at adding something to the solo section. when they are playing with each other they're out of this world. there are several freaky-good sections with the two of them playing together. but, at this point, that is sort of expected. those two have proven perfectly capable of shredding in unison.
Overall I am happy with this album. the music might be disappointing, in my opinion anyway, but it certainly makes me hopeful for the future. they tried new stuff and that makes me happy. it didn't seem like pre-packaged DT.
having said that....see you at the shows.
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"This is the life we belong to..." as a fan one could think this is a direct jab at MP.
But viewed in the context of the song, a fan would clearly be mistaken.
Killer avatar. Kylie FTW!! So hot.
SO hot.
Now THIS is the DT I lost my virginity listening to in the 9th grade.
I, uh... I. :-\
Anyway, I'm through my first dozen spins, and I cannot find enough praise for this album. I haven't been super excited about a DT release since ToT so this was an amazing gift. I'll get around to doing a song-by-song breakdown in another 50 spins, I'm sure.
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Well, DTF, I'll see you in two days. I may find some time to stop by tomorrow, but chances are I'm going to be spending the entire day locked in my room with ADTOE.
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Well, DTF, I'll see you in two days. I may find some time to stop by tomorrow, but chances are I'm going to be spending the entire day locked in my room with ADTOE.
Have a wonderful listening experience. I will be doing the same with my newly acquired official RR download.
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Well, DTF, I'll see you in two days. I may find some time to stop by tomorrow, but chances are I'm going to be spending the entire day locked in my room with ADTOE.
Use a condom..
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I just got through listening to the album again, and I have to say, closing the album with Beneath the Surface was probably the best decision ever. It's simply refreshing after listening to the entire album - which thankfully isn't a chore to listen to.
....Wow.
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I just got through listening to the album again, and I have to say, closing the album with Beneath the Surface was probably the best decision ever. It's simply refreshing after listening to the entire album - which thankfully isn't a chore to listen to.
....Wow.
JLB is absolutely amazing. That last section almost made me cry on the first listen. So much emotion. Not to mention JP's best lyrics in a very, very long time.
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I just got through listening to the album again, and I have to say, closing the album with Beneath the Surface was probably the best decision ever. It's simply refreshing after listening to the entire album - which thankfully isn't a chore to listen to.
....Wow.
JLB is absolutely amazing. That last section almost made me cry on the first listen. So much emotion. Not to mention JP's best lyrics in a very, very long time.
When LaBrie jumps that octave at the end... goosebumps.
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I tried listening to TCOT again this morning, and ADTOE may have just ruined the song for me. Now I can't listen to TCOT's chorus without cringing, but I still love the intro and the volume swells up to the end. More so with ANTR, can't even get past 10 minutes into the song now.
Nevertheless, my rankings for the last five albums:
1. 8vm
2. BAI
3. TCOT
4. BITS
5. ITPOE1
6. ITNOG
7. LNF
8. SOC
9. Outcry
10. TITL
runners-up: TMOLS, ANTR
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Does JLB's autotune on the "all that remAINED" at 4:51 in Beneath the Surface bother anyone else? I was fine for the rest of this song autotune-wise, but that seriously bugs me.
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Does JLB's autotune on the "all that remAINED" at 4:51 in Beneath the Surface bother anyone else? I was fine for the rest of this song autotune-wise, but that seriously bugs me.
Pitch correction... Autotune or whatever that is... There are a few other ones that are VERY clear on FAR FROM HEAVEN. Not sure if it's autotune or just the voice effect that he uses.
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Does JLB's autotune on the "all that remAINED" at 4:51 in Beneath the Surface bother anyone else? I was fine for the rest of this song autotune-wise, but that seriously bugs me.
I hate to say it, but yes. It sounds very artificial. The autotune on that one song drags it down a notch for me. The rest of the album is perfectly fine in that regard to me though.
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Does JLB's autotune on the "all that remAINED" at 4:51 in Beneath the Surface bother anyone else? I was fine for the rest of this song autotune-wise, but that seriously bugs me.
It's not like you can hear every pixelated note like you can on the JP Wither demo..
Anyone else think the volume of Mangini's drum fills at the very end of Breaking All Illusions should have been WAY louder?
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I tried listening to TCOT again this morning, and ADTOE may have just ruined the song for me. Now I can't listen to TCOT's chorus without cringing, but I still love the intro and the volume swells up to the end. More so with ANTR, can't even get past 10 minutes into the song now.
The album preceding a new album usually gets the least plays from me when I listen to the back catalog. Once Ive had the new album for a while, I start going back to the previous one and I usually appreciate it more. Besides, I rank BC&SL pretty highly anyway.
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Is anyone else pleased that the DT community is loving this album? It gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling hearing all the kind words. :)
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Listened to it last night and I'm in two minds. I really want to love this album but...
First off, I've got the UK 2-disc CD+DVD version, and I HATE the way the booklet is glued to the back of the digipak. Inexcuseable. It wouldn't be so bad if it were glued to the left or right hand flap, at least you could hold the thing comfortably while you read the lyrics. This is a really poor packaging decision.
Content wise, there's much to love here. I love the fact the band have made an album of shorter songs at last, and I love the fact they've remembered to include some melodic ballads too. Lyrically, JP seems to have risen to a new maturity, and I love the fact there isn't a "messy" MP song like "The Shattered Fortress" or "This Dying Soul" to interupt the flow of proceedings. There's nothing to hate here...
...But one of the joys of a new DT album is thinking "Wow! I've never heard anything like that before!" - and I just didn't get that feeling here. Much of it is fairly standard DT fare, and there's very few risks being taken. I though the best track was "Build me up, Break me down" because it was something we haven't heard from DT before, and I enjoyed "Outcry" for similar reasons. Songs like "Lost not Forgotten" and "On The Backs Of Angels" are going to grow on me and become favourites, and "Beneath the Surface" is a great closer, but I'd rate this album alongside FII in that most of the songs are excellent, but the album doesn't hang together very well.
I must offer one huge caveat - most of the DT albums that I didn't like on first listen have grown on me to become firm favourites. Once I've listened to this more, I may well change my opinion.
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Best album evar.
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After approx. 5 litstens I think it's a really good album.
I feel that especially James sounds very good on this record.
The only part that threw me off a little is the instrumental section in the beginning of LNF.
Normally I like really technical instrumental sections but this is kind of too much if you ask me.
Sounds like Mario Bros on speed or someting.
BAI I think is the best song of the album but I like the others as well.
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my very FIRST IMPRESSIONS after FIRST COMPLETE LISTEN independently of what I've read in this thread:
- symphonic, symphonic, symphonic... ...culmination of five last albums since SDOIT
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I was getting The Christmas Eve vibe really bad last night and ended up waking up at 1:30am, not being able to sleep. I was gonna wait and get the physical copy, but I caved in and got it off Itunes. I am on 2nd listen right now, and I'm loving it :metal
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My outrageous List...
Outcry
Bridges In The Sky
Breaking All Illusions/ Far From Heaven
Beneath The Surface
Lost Not Forgotten
This Is The Life
On The Backs of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
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Having listened to ADToE for the first time here's the quote that I think sums up the last few DT albums:
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers".
ADToE is the album I've been waiting for since 6DoIT. The Dream Theater I fell in love with is BACK.
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I'm actually having trouble getting into this entire album. Nothing is really clicking with me. Some great moments but honestly, nothing is making me really say 'wow'. I can't put my finger on why it's not exciting me like it should.
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So i've been listening to the new DT album on repeat, my Mrs comes in and halfway through says "they are very good but I just don't like when they go off on one"....I ignore and carry on listening.
She then enters again at the end and listens to Beneath the Surface - "its a very beautiful song but the lyrics needed a more uplifting ending"
The lesson....make sure your wife/partner is firmly locked away whilst listening to a new DT album !
My thoughts...incredible album, gets better with every listen.
Any gripes....I wouldn't be a true DT fan if I didn't have atleast one....love the way they have brought the magic from Images & words into the modern day but I wish there was more lyrical contributions from the others.
I can understand MM as he's just joined and may not be able to write lyrics anyway, I don't know about JR but would have been nice to hear more JLB penned stuff. That was one of the things I loved with I&W, the lyrics were spread amongst the band members, this is all JP really.
That aside, i'm an extremely happy DT fan at the minute !!!!
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I'm actually having trouble getting into this entire album. Nothing is really clicking with me. Some great moments but honestly, nothing is making me really say 'wow'. I can't put my finger on why it's not exciting me like it should.
keep listening
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Lost Not Forgotten: Did anyone else noticed that the song opens with a piano that resembles the melody of Lawrence of Arabia?
I had exactly the same impression :D
I thought of The Truman Show
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This has been spinning on pretty much everything I own since yesterday afternoon; the car, the stereo in the garage, the laptop on the porch, even on the Xbox while decimating commies on Black Ops (LNF is GREAT for this. :) ) . Every few minutes or so, either my wife or myself will go 'Oh! Did you hear THAT? WTF was that?' It's really cool to be able to listen to this with someone else who appreciates it as much as myself.
That said, I'm absolutely LOVING this record. As others have said, when JLB goes up the octave in BTS, holy crap. Goosebumps on top of goosebumps. OTBOA even sits really well with the rest, and I wasn't sure quite how that was gonna work out. Definitely need more listens, but right now it's everything I could have wanted in a new DT record. I could go on for days about this part or that part. The whole is just fantastic. Glad to hear so many others are enjoying this too.
Alright, back to work and more ADTOE. :)
Alex
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hurrah! it's officially released! :metal
and MP's spamming on twitter :huh:
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I was getting The Christmas Eve vibe really bad last night and ended up waking up at 1:30am, not being able to sleep. I was gonna wait and get the physical copy, but I caved in and got it off Itunes. I am on 2nd listen right now, and I'm loving it :metal
:D It was on my doormat at 10am on Monday morning
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hurrah! it's officially released! :metal
and MP's spamming on twitter :huh:
No need to resurrect the MP bashing AGAIN.
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hurrah! it's officially released! :metal
and MP's spamming on twitter :huh:
No need to resurrect the MP bashing AGAIN.
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Going through it for the first time.
Got "goosebumps" listening to "Outcry".
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Wow that album was really really good. I was entertained throughout the whole thing. Blown away by some of their ideas and floored by the musicianship. Loved the song writing. It seemed like they took some risks and I think they paid off. It sounds different, but more like the Dream Theater that I love than BCSL ever was. This album is such a huge step up from the last album its almost like its 2 different bands.
Wow. Really cool album after first listen. Loved how well rounded it was too. It was heavy without being all METUHL and I like that a lot.
BUILD ME UUUUP BREAK ME DOOOWWWN that part was so cool. I loved the really high part that was in there with that.
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My main complaint with this album?
I work too close to my home, so I'm having to experience it in short bursts while I drive each day.
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Gave it a first listen, and I am quite pleased.
But what in the HELL is the deal with the beginning of Bridges?
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Gave it a first listen, and I am quite pleased.
But what in the HELL is the deal with the beginning of Bridges?
It's the Shaman.
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ok, i did listen to it the whole weekend, walking the dog, working, in the whole then piece by piece.
compared to SC and BC&SL no songs i do skip (repentance, wither, tbot),
to me it sounds very balanced, i like big drumsound but latley it was a little too much, so it took from the others IMO.
i love that album, its in my top 5 .
the preference of the single songs will take a while though, until then i'm a happy little prick. :metal :hefdaddy :tup
P.S. JLB sounds great :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Does anyone else think that the Gregorian chant in the beginning of BITS is out of place? Of course I'm speaking thematically. Musically it's absolutely beautiful.
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I thought it was pretty cool. I liked that they were doing something different.
The first verse to This is the Life is really freaking good.
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My copy STILL hasn't arrived. I was tempted to go into town and just buy a copy, but resisted :lol
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My copy STILL hasn't arrived. I was tempted to go into town and just buy a copy, but resisted :lol
RESIIIISTENCE IS CAAAAAALLING TONOGHT!
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I'm on my first listen, Breaking All Illusions is starting now. I'm not enjoying this a lot, only passages of LNF, BITS and Outcry interested me but the songs as a whole still suffered of the same problems that faced the last albums - overly long, not terribly inspired instrumental passages. BAI has started pretty good, let's hope it's another Myung classic.
I dig the production though, the album sounds awesome.
I really hope my opinion will change with more listens, OTBOA sounded a lot better now than when I first heard it so I may end up loving this album.
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My copy STILL hasn't arrived. I was tempted to go into town and just buy a copy, but resisted :lol
LOOOOVE IS OOOOUR RESIIIIIISTANNNNCE!
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I'm on my first listen, Breaking All Illusions is starting now. I'm not enjoying this a lot, only passages of LNF, BITS and Outcry interested me but the songs as a whole still suffered of the same problems that faced the last albums - overly long, not terribly inspired instrumental passages. BAI has started pretty good, let's hope it's another Myung classic.
I dig the production though, the album sounds awesome.
I really hope my opinion will change with more listens, OTBOA sounded a lot better now than when I first heard it so I may end up loving this album.
The instrumental sections on this album actually mesh with the rest of the songs instead of being ridiculous sections which were completely out of place (see last two albums for examples).
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I'm on my first listen, Breaking All Illusions is starting now. I'm not enjoying this a lot, only passages of LNF, BITS and Outcry interested me but the songs as a whole still suffered of the same problems that faced the last albums - overly long, not terribly inspired instrumental passages. BAI has started pretty good, let's hope it's another Myung classic.
I dig the production though, the album sounds awesome.
I really hope my opinion will change with more listens, OTBOA sounded a lot better now than when I first heard it so I may end up loving this album.
The instrumental sections on this album actually mesh with the rest of the songs instead of being ridiculous sections which were completely out of place (see last two albums for examples).
Totally agree : what I like about the album is that everythig seems to be at the right place. Very happy about that.
B.Lee
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It might just be that I don't know them yet but most of them kind of dragged too long for me. I will give it a rest for now and listen again in a few hours or tomorrow, see if my opinion changed.
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Well, DTF, I'll see you in two days. I may find some time to stop by tomorrow, but chances are I'm going to be spending the entire day locked in my room with ADTOE.
Use a condom..
Why? If she gets pregnant and gives birth to another album in nine months, I'll be okay with that...
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When LaBrie jumps that octave at the end... goosebumps.
This. I was like :omg:
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Well, DTF, I'll see you in two days. I may find some time to stop by tomorrow, but chances are I'm going to be spending the entire day locked in my room with ADTOE.
Use a condom..
Why? If she gets pregnant and gives birth to another album in nine months, I'll be okay with that...
:tup :rollin :tup
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Well, DTF, I'll see you in two days. I may find some time to stop by tomorrow, but chances are I'm going to be spending the entire day locked in my room with ADTOE.
Use a condom..
Why? If she gets pregnant and gives birth to another album in nine months, I'll be okay with that...
:rollin
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ADTOE has crack in it. I should take it to the police and check myself into rehab.
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OK, just got the CD at Best Buy (last copy left!). I listened to the RR streams once, so it sounds different on my car stereo. Impressions:
1. JP definitely has his rhythm guitar up in the mix. Holy cow what a beefy tone.
2. MM's performance is energetic and spot-on, but I miss the wackiness of MP's playing (I know DT12 will change that)
3. Upon 1st listen BAI is automatically a Top 10 DT song for me, and will probably vie for #1
4. James sounds awesome
5. Jordan's best performance with DT except arguably SFAM and 6DOIT
6. Couldn't care less about the similarities to I&W, been wanting a return to that style and it's the best album to emulate IMO
7. Even though the band did an incredible job on this record, a good producer would still be a good asset in helping them hone in the hooks and spotlight them.
Need a lot more spins obviously to let it all sink in, but I'm sure this record won't land below #4 and might cement itself as #2 after I&W.
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First post on DTF, although I registered in may. ::)
Really liked the album. It is certainly a grower, which in itself is a better thing than the last couple DT albums. Both SC and specially BCSL aged horribly to me, to the point that I skip all BCSL and most SC songs when they show up on shuffle. Now, for the inevitable comparison to other DT albums, it ranks below SDOIT (best ever IMO), Awake and SFAM to me, ties with TOT and tops everything else.
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Just finished my first beginning to end listen, in a cafe courtyard near where I live. I have a lump in my throat the size of a grapefruit, and my hands are shaking. Thank you Dream Theater, thank you.
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Just got back from Barnes & Noble, currently uploading to iTunes. So I got up until halfway through Lost Not Forgotten so far, and I gotta say I can *kinda* see the Linkin Park comparisons in BMUBMD, but to me it sounds more like Dream Theater imitating what people think Linkin Park sounds like. I can sorta hear it in the chugging guitars and simplistic beginning, but I dunno man.
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Just got back from Barnes & Noble, currently uploading to iTunes. So I got up until halfway through Lost Not Forgotten so far, and I gotta say I can *kinda* see the Linkin Park comparisons in BMUBMD, but to me it sounds more like Dream Theater imitating what people think Linkin Park sounds like. I can sorta hear it in the chugging guitars and simplistic beginning, but I dunno man.
And unlike Linkin Park, DT doesn't keep writing the same song over and over. :yeahright
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Exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVkXlxsO8Q&ob=av3e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H4l9RpkwM&ob=av3e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozpuYRM6DsY&feature=fvst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iquRYKPbs
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Exactly and I couldn't agree more. I just bought it off of Amazon and I'm blown away by the sound quality and the mix! Now I can hear the drums clearly. I have chills listening to this album, clearly the best since SFAM. There's so much to absorb it's going to take me months to get it all. I'm sooooooo thankful for JR's new keyboard sounds, his old ones were wearing on me. Everything just seems so fresh and the staleness has left the room. Thanks MP for doing the best thing and making DT a hit again! :loser:
OK, just got the CD at Best Buy (last copy left!). I listened to the RR streams once, so it sounds different on my car stereo. Impressions:
1. JP definitely has his rhythm guitar up in the mix. Holy cow what a beefy tone.
2. MM's performance is energetic and spot-on, but I miss the wackiness of MP's playing (I know DT12 will change that)
3. Upon 1st listen BAI is automatically a Top 10 DT song for me, and will probably vie for #1
4. James sounds awesome
5. Jordan's best performance with DT except arguably SFAM and 6DOIT
6. Couldn't care less about the similarities to I&W, been wanting a return to that style and it's the best album to emulate IMO
7. Even though the band did an incredible job on this record, a good producer would still be a good asset in helping them hone in the hooks and spotlight them.
Need a lot more spins obviously to let it all sink in, but I'm sure this record won't land below #4 and might cement itself as #2 after I&W.
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Also I thought the shaman's trance was a belch into the mic at first. If someone's already mentioned that, in my defense I only skimmed the thread until now.
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The sticker on the CD doesn't even have the right font...
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1. Beneath the Surface is a great way to end this album. After years of bombastic, prog-tastic endings I got tired of that, and ending with a whimper is a really nice change.
2. You really can't listen to this album on an iPod. Such a sharp decline in quality.
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First thing I said when I opened the booklet in the car was "Shit the unicycle guy is in here too" :lol
Twice!
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Exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVkXlxsO8Q&ob=av3e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H4l9RpkwM&ob=av3e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozpuYRM6DsY&feature=fvst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iquRYKPbs
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You also forgot to mention that What I've Done is the exact same song as Numb... I can sing Numb's chorus over What I've Done's perfectly. Fuck Linkin Park.
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While I'm still digesting (and will be for weeks to come most likely) I can say that this is a great album. The tones and playing are better and fresher sounding than they have been for years and James is sounding incredible. The instrumental sections are simply jaw-dropping. To me, this sounds like a band with a new focus. Oh, and it sure is nice to have John Myung back, I missed him. More to come...
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Bridges in the Sky is an instant top 10 DT song for me.
THE RIFFS
GOOD GOD THE RIFFS
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I for one love Build Me Up, Break Me Down! All you haters need to listen to it more closely. :metal
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holy hell, Far from Heaven is beautiful +____+
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Make sure to rate this album 5 stars at amazon everybody. This album deserves at least a star more than BCSL and SC!!!!!!! =D
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I'm still trying to figure out where JP came up with writing about a Shaman
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seriously, 8vm, SC, FII, BCSL are all rated higher at amazon. C'mon people!
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Exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVkXlxsO8Q&ob=av3e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H4l9RpkwM&ob=av3e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozpuYRM6DsY&feature=fvst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iquRYKPbs
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You also forgot to mention that What I've Done is the exact same song as Numb... I can sing Numb's chorus over What I've Done's perfectly. Fuck Linkin Park.
I guess it wasn't clear that I was disproving your point.
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Bridges in the Sky is an instant top 10 DT song for me.
THE RIFFS
GOOD GOD THE RIFFS
I totally agree. From the first time I heard it I knew it would be at the top of my list, so open and epic, the thing I love most about DT's music.
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Okay, just listened to it for the third time now. I'm not going to say a whole lot just yet, for three reasons: one, I know that everything I might say has already been said by others; two, it's still too new to me, so there are parts that feel amazing just because they're new, and there are also parts that feel weak just because I'm not used to them; and three, because I'm going to go listen to the album again, and typing takes up valuable time.
So, I'll be brief about it: :clap:
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Just finished my first spin. First impressions would be that "On The Backs Of Angels", "Build Me Up, Break Me Down", and "This Is The Life" are awesome songs. The rest are... alright. I don't know, I really hope it grows on me, but "Lost Not Forgotten" and "Bridges In The Sky" did nothing for me. Oh well.
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Aw yeah!
Got to hang out with Hayden this afternoon and we, together, got to experience ADTOE as a duo!
It was superb, overall. I really enjoyed the last 3 songs. They be major highlights of a great album.
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Somebody else who lives in my house just brought the album home. I took it from him and am listening to it, and all I can say is: :2metal:
Oh, and when I'm done, you better hide your Arch/Matheos CD too.
:hearts:
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It was so much nicer and easier when we were limited to this thread tbh.
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so much to take in. listened only once. mindblown
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Through one listen, WOW. Obviously this is an amazing album, but I think what makes it so great is that, although I've only listened once, I can't for the life of me pick a favorite. Every song was top notch and I really couldn't give them numbers or grades right now. I'd call it an 8 way tie for first with This is the Life just a tad behind. It's not bad, it just didn't hit me like the others did. For song by song first impressions:
On the Backs of Angles: Wasn't my first listen. More like my 30th so I have a much better grasp on this song than the others. It's still great and really just 8 minutes of no-filler quality DT.
Build Me Up Break Me Down: Probably the song I had the lowest expectations for. I thought it was gonna bomb with a nu-metal style and whatnot. However, I LOVE THIS SONG. It might be a bit of a guilty pleasure, but I really wasn't expecting to be rocking out as much as I did. Mainstream sounding, but I really don't care. If this got on the radio, I wouldn't mind at all.
Lost Not Forgotten: Honestly, I have never heard anything like this. About 1:40 in, I went on the trippiest musical adventure ever. The time signature explodes, everyone goes BANANAS on their instruments, I thought my head was gonna come off. I really can't remember much of the rest of the song, but I'm sure it was good :P
This is the Life: As I said, this one didn't have as much spark to it as the rest of the songs upon the first listen. There's nothing wrong with it, and I'm sure I'll find things to be excited about with it. I just think that it's overshadowed by the other ballads on the album.
Bridges in the Sky: The first time I listened to the intro I thought, "This is possibly the worst way you could ever begin a song." And then when I went back and listened again I thought, "This is possibly the best way you could ever begin a song." I've never ever EVER heard a song begin anything like this. I'll admit I almost fell off my bed laughing at the shaman, but then the choir came in and the atmosphere got all epic and I thought, "This is going to kick my butt for laughing." And it did. A good ol' headbanger we have here.
Outcry: This really reminds me of Sacrificed Sons. Political topic, similar length, similar structure, not saying that's a bad thing. This song is definitely dominated by the instrumental journeys that no one does better than DT. I think there could have been more vocals, but it's definitely good the way it is.
Far From Heaven: Thank goodness this song is on the album. I just really feel it adds so much to the album as a whole despite being the shortest song by a good margin. Until this point, the instruments seemed to be the highlight of the album. This is where Labrie comes and reminds you that he is better than he has been since Images and Words. He is FANTASTIC here. This track, for me, is like Vacant, but 100000 times better. I honestly don't look at it much as a prelude to BAI. I think it really can stand its own ground. I think that vocal and piano covers are gonna be all over the place in a matter of weeks or even days. Extremely pleasantly surprised with FFH.
Breaking All Illusions: What can I say other than this is quintessential DT at its finest. It's kind of like Metropolis in a way that this song is everything Dream Theater in 12 minutes of bliss. Melodic passages, great instrumental sections, awesome riffs, where were songs like this the last 10 years? Also, all hail Myung.
Beneath the Surface: A 5 minute closer? At first, I was skeptical, but this is 5 minutes of pure, genuine, beautiful emotion. I did get a little choked up at the end. Our man Labrie is back to just OWN on this song. Near the end I was thinking, "If he goes back to the 'until one day' chorus, I'm gonna cry." And it happened. And then when he just LET LOOSE like he hasn't done in a looooong time, I was stunned. Bravo. Bravo.
Finally, if I have a few minor gripes, it would be these:
Choruses all kind of sound relatively similar, and instrumental sections, despite being much better than recent albums, are still rather lengthy.
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Well, I loooove this album. This is good stuff. It's still got some of the modern DT sound mixed with the classic DT sound. I really have to say I like every song on this album (yes even Build Me Up, Break Me Down). I'd say the best album in a decade or so in my opinion. This might rank right up there with I&W and Awake for me, but I'm sure a few more listens will help me sort out all that hierarchy ranking sort of stuff. I've been a big fan of the band since '92-'93 or so, and I am uber thrilled to finally see an album like this finally make an appearance. Not that I hated the last couple albums... I've appreciated every album for what it was... but it just kinda feels like DT recaptured some magic or something here.
In summary... friggin awesome album.
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still need to listen more. it was pretty good first listen. very technical
also love the artwork, all of it. better in person.
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still need to listen more. it was pretty good first listen. very technical
also love the artwork, all of it. better in person.
The only thing that gets to me is that the DT logo on the cover looks a little... squished? Does anyone else see that? Otherwise, love it.
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The water drops connect BAI and BTS really well...I have FFH, BAI, and BTS all connected into one song right now in Pro Tools. Musically it's kind of awesome as one track (which of course it kind of sounds like on the album anyway) "Far Beneath The Illusion" ;D
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The didgeridoo Shaman voice scared the crap out of me. That's all I'll say until a few more listens.
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still need to listen more. it was pretty good first listen. very technical
also love the artwork, all of it. better in person.
The only thing that gets to me is that the DT logo on the cover looks a little... squished? Does anyone else see that? Otherwise, love it.
I saw it instantly. I even measured it up, and it's squished to 85%.
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Make sure to rate this album 5 stars at amazon everybody. This album deserves at least a star more than BCSL and SC!!!!!!! =D
Nah, not necessary. So many fans are already doing it. Better give those 5-star ratings to the album on RYM. Fuck those trolls who give the album .5 stars without even listening to it.
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What a masterpiece........probably #3 under only SFAM and 6DOIT....soooo amazing!!!
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this morning, while walking the dog i listend to it in whole again.
it has an amazing flow, you just have to listen to the whole album in one.
JLB is absolutly on top of the songs, everything is on its place.
my opinion just now together with I&W my number one! :metal i mean it! :hefdaddy
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I listened to it an hour ago... And it's AWESOME! :metal :metal :metal
Wow, they have really done their best album since SFAM! However, 6 Degrees only has some minor flaws which prevent it from being as good. This album does have its fair share of heaviness, but those heavier parts sound like DT, not Metallica or modern metal bands. My favorites so far are Breaking All Illusions, Bridges in the Sky, Outcry and Beneath the Surface. They have proved that they can do perfectly well without MP and that's a great thing! :tup I need to listen to it more but right now I consider it a 9.5/10 album.
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Must have listened to it about 12 times already, I can say that it is in my top 4 with I&W, Awake and SFAM. I can listen to it without skipping 1 song, this tells much. What a great return :metal
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My copy arrived this morning, listened to the whole thing with my friend.
On first listen, I literally can't hear any reason to listen to it again (Apart from OTBOA). We both found Bridges and Breaking were disappointing. It's the first time I've been completely bored while listening to Dream Theater.
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The water drops connect BAI and BTS really well...I have FFH, BAI, and BTS all connected into one song right now in Pro Tools. Musically it's kind of awesome as one track (which of course it kind of sounds like on the album anyway) "Far Beneath The Illusion" ;D
My wife noticed this too, and to be honest, they really do work extremely well together. Just an amazing way to close the album. Still can't get over how freakin' good BTS is. Just damn good.
Alex
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My copy arrived this morning, listened to the whole thing with my friend.
On first listen, I literally can't hear any reason to listen to it again (Apart from OTBOA). We both found Bridges and Breaking were disappointing. It's the first time I've been completely bored while listening to Dream Theater.
Listen to it again a few times this week.
I think you might come around.
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I frickin' love BMUBMD.
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My copy arrived this morning, listened to the whole thing with my friend.
On first listen, I literally can't hear any reason to listen to it again (Apart from OTBOA). We both found Bridges and Breaking were disappointing. It's the first time I've been completely bored while listening to Dream Theater.
Listen to it again a few times this week.
I think you might come around.
I hope so. I don't think I'll ever like BMUBMD though, it's awful.
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you telling me you don't even enjoy nodding your head to the badass riffery?
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you telling me you don't even enjoy nodding your head to the badass riffery?
I thought the riffs were awful. So no :lol
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Must have listened to it about 12 times already, I can say that it is in my top 4 with I&W, Awake and SFAM. I can listen to it without skipping 1 song, this tells much. What a great return :metal
Are you me? This is my situation exactly. :)
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Listened to it for the second time now, it's an enjoyable album.
Breaking All Illusions is my favorite, followed by On the Backs of Angels.
The rest would fall between 'meh' and 'decent' somewhere, I enjoy it, but not much that has clicked.
Breaking All Illusions might be their best song since 6DOIT imo.
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Second listen last night, this time with headphones . . . . MIND = BLOWN
I'm almost stunned into silence at how good ADTOE is, I really can't find all the necessary adjectives to describe it. There are very few bands that can deliver something this good 25 years into their career. I'm fairly sure this will cement itself as my #2 DT album behind its spiritual predecessor I&W.
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you telling me you don't even enjoy nodding your head to the badass riffery?
I thought the riffs were awful. So no :lol
Why do you even listen to Dream Theater then? These riffs in this album were just as good or better than a lot of riffs of their past. So many good riffs in the album. If you don't like them, you either probably don't like Dream Theater, or you just really loved Mike Portnoy and are bitter.
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It's growing! Growing growing growing!
"Build Me Up, Break Me Down" is quickly becoming my favorite. Dat chorus.
"Lost Not Forgotten" is still bad to me, though. Nothing memorable about it. But 8/9 good songs makes for a fantastic album. Good show.
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Petrucci07, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. I've given it a couple of listens and I always end up doing something else and forgetting about the music until I snap back, usually in the middle of another instrumental section. These sections feel too long and somewhat awkward at times. I wish I could hear the I&W similarities like you guys do but honestly this feels more of a BC&SL to me but with better production.
I didn't think OTBOA was too good when it came out but I rather enjoy it now, so maybe the rest of the album will grow with time too, but it doesn't look too likely at this point.
The best part of the album is the shaman's belch, I love it.
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you telling me you don't even enjoy nodding your head to the badass riffery?
I thought the riffs were awful. So no :lol
Why do you even listen to Dream Theater then? These riffs in this album were just as good or better than a lot of riffs of their past. So many good riffs in the album. If you don't like them, you either probably don't like Dream Theater, or you just really loved Mike Portnoy and are bitter.
I love Dream Theater. It's just that nothing on this album grabs me and jumps out at me. And no, I'm not "bitter" about Portnoy leaving, I don't mind at all. I just think the melodies and riffs on this album are boring and cheesy. The chorus' of BMUBMD and Outcry for example, I find really boring. Bear in mind this is on second listen, and that I love OTBOA.
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
:tup
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Outcry is really growing on me. I love the "Locked in a kingdom of fear/As our children die" part and the whole voices sound behind it. Really digging it today.
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you telling me you don't even enjoy nodding your head to the badass riffery?
I thought the riffs were awful. So no :lol
Why do you even listen to Dream Theater then? These riffs in this album were just as good or better than a lot of riffs of their past. So many good riffs in the album. If you don't like them, you either probably don't like Dream Theater, or you just really loved Mike Portnoy and are bitter.
I love Dream Theater. It's just that nothing on this album grabs me and jumps out at me. And no, I'm not "bitter" about Portnoy leaving, I don't mind at all. I just think the melodies and riffs on this album are boring and cheesy. The chorus' of BMUBMD and Outcry for example, I find really boring. Bear in mind this is on second listen, and that I love OTBOA.
Given that it took me a good 30 listens to make Awake my favorite, I admire you for being able to judge a DT album on second listen!
B.Lee
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you telling me you don't even enjoy nodding your head to the badass riffery?
I thought the riffs were awful. So no :lol
Why do you even listen to Dream Theater then? These riffs in this album were just as good or better than a lot of riffs of their past. So many good riffs in the album. If you don't like them, you either probably don't like Dream Theater, or you just really loved Mike Portnoy and are bitter.
I love Dream Theater. It's just that nothing on this album grabs me and jumps out at me. And no, I'm not "bitter" about Portnoy leaving, I don't mind at all. I just think the melodies and riffs on this album are boring and cheesy. The chorus' of BMUBMD and Outcry for example, I find really boring. Bear in mind this is on second listen, and that I love OTBOA.
Given that it took me a good 30 listens to make Awake my favorite, I admire you for being able to judge a DT album on second listen!
B.Lee
Haha thank you. I'm probably being very knee-jerk about the album, so my opinion will probably change a little as I listen more.
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First post (DT fan since around Awake timeframe).
Wow. I liked the CD initially but I take a while to "get" Elton John songs, let alone 12 minute DT tracks. Once I hit the point that I knew what was coming next and could anticipate it I realized how much I love this thing. As with many, Breaking All Illusions is my favorite but the whole thing flows great. Much like the longer tracks seem to move quickly because the parts fit together so well, the CD as a whole seems to move quickly because it's great track after great track that there's no stinker that slows the momentum down. Everyone sounds great and this is probably only the 4th CD (I&W, Awake, SFaM) where I feel that James sounds totally in his comfort zone. Wonderful stuff and I'm thinking Portnoy's multi year break sounds like a bad idea right now :rollin
I will add that I know what JP has said but I don't believe for a second that many of the lyrics nor CD title don't have at least a double meaning partly at Portnoy. It fails to pass any common sense that they could have named the CD what they did without knowing what people would think and many of the lyrics can be interpreted that way also. I think it was intentional to be interpretable as being about Portnoy but also to have a plausible denial. That way, like great music, it can mean different things to different people. Me ? I hear a TON of references that I think are about Portnoy.
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Spot on! :loser:
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There was nothing wrong with their 00s output.
But ADTOE is still bloody fantastic.
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There was nothing wrong with their 00s output.
But ADTOE is still bloody fantastic.
And everyone survived ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wants a word with you :P
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
Blob is correct. Which isn't surprising to me, really.
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There was nothing wrong with their 00s output.
But ADTOE is still bloody fantastic.
And everyone survived ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wants a word with you :P
You may not like it, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.
Although as much as I quite enjoy that section, I do find the roar quite bad. :lol
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
Blob is correct. Which isn't surprising to me, really.
Exactly. None of those things needed "fixing." But I do agree that this album show an improvement in all of those areas mentioned, with the exception of the fact that I wouldn't consider no MP vocals to be an "improvement." I miss them. With the exception of the "RRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!" at the end of the MP vocal section in ANTR, I think all of Portnoy's vocal passages were terrific.
EDIT: What Rich said. Other than the "Roar" part, I don't understand how anyone could not like that vocal passage.
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
Yeah, for the most part none of those are things that I thought needed "fixed".
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Unrelated: What is that noise that's going on from 1:30 to 1:58 of Outcry? That, like, sort of squeaking noise. For lack of a better way to describe it (which is why I'm asking).
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well the moment you have been waiting for............my input/reply/opinion on this.... :hefdaddy
my favorite thus far... lost not forgotten by far.
the intro instrumental section going in that straight forward metal riff is jsut freaking awesome! and ...it's the best JP solo since UAGM in my opion....it also has got EVERYTHING!....
the vocals on this record are stunning.
i have only found 1 melody which i dont like, it's in bridges in the sky. wishperer of truth and so on....
which is followed by the most awesome vocal melody of this record.... sun come shine my way....another beautifull vocal melody for me is in BAU, my spirit brings me home.... awesome!!
the instrumental sections are wicked, sick, awesome, and great to listen to. i hear something new everytime...
the solo's of both jp and jr are great, not to much trigger happy stuff, just great showmanship.
i love the fact that JR is not following JP with riffs, which makes even an easy riff sound complex.
i find a big LTE influence througout the record but also other DT stuff....
during 1.55/2.00 of BAU i falmost here TGD there....
there's also a JR riff, which reminds me of hocus pocus from the band focus.
but also..now when listening to the songs...and the snippet part is on...i am waiting for the sound to fade away.....which ofcourse is not the case.
this is there most experimental album since SFAM, the crazy sections are more crazy and ther are definatly on cruise control/autom. pilot on this one!!!
how much i liked the previous albums this is in the top ranks of me, where probably my rank might differ a lot from others.
conrgrats DT!
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
Yeah but then you read the lyrics and all is explained.
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
In my ideal world, track five would be called The Shaman's Trance and the album would be called Bridges in the Sky. Then, TST would be the song that quotes the album's title, and the shaman's voice issue would be cleared up, and all would be groovy.
But this is probably just because I still don't like ADTOE as an album title.
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
I agree. The title "The Shaman's Trance" makes it sound like "hey, this is going to be a fun song, don't take it too seriously", while "Bridges in the Sky" makes it sound like a much more serious song. Then it start's out with the belching shaman and people are thrown off.
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Man these comments are making me so anxious to hear it :P.
Has anybody else who pre-ordered the deluxe CD/DVD version from Omega Order, still not received any shipping confirmation? I pre-ordered 8/30 and it still says pending, I even asked them yesterday morning if they could cancel (local Bestbuy has it) and it says they haven't even looked at the e-mail yet, guess they must just be over swamped trying to fill all the orders, shame it says they close at 5 so guess I won't hear anything till tomorrow.
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
Yeah but then you read the lyrics and all is explained.
This. I much prefer BITS as the title.
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
I agree. The title "The Shaman's Trance" makes it sound like "hey, this is going to be a fun song, don't take it too seriously", while "Bridges in the Sky" makes it sound like a much more serious song. Then it start's out with the belching shaman and people are thrown off.
Why? I don't get it, what exactly is fun or not too serious about that intro? It's quite unusual but it's very atmospheric not funny...
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
i have to say i would've never said anything negative about MPs leadvocals at the time (because im a loyal fan),
to be honest i really don't miss them,
with JLBs vocals its like i stated after seeing him in rome, he just lost his dark master!!!
i am happy for him and of course for me :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
Blob is correct. Which isn't surprising to me, really.
Exactly. None of those things needed "fixing." But I do agree that this album show an improvement in all of those areas mentioned, with the exception of the fact that I wouldn't consider no MP vocals to be an "improvement." I miss them. With the exception of the "RRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!" at the end of the MP vocal section in ANTR, I think all of Portnoy's vocal passages were terrific.
EDIT: What Rich said. Other than the "Roar" part, I don't understand how anyone could not like that vocal passage.
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EDIT: What Rich said. Other than the "Roar" part, I don't understand how anyone could not like that vocal passage.
Really? We're talking about "Day after day", right? There are plenty of reasons not to like that passage.
MP's brutal vocal style over that particular passage (including the roar) coupled with the lyrics, which review the not-at-all-brutal events in a not-at-all-brutal way (there was a car crash and it was scary but it was all fine in the end), just plain sounds silly. I don't find that the verse contributes to the song at all and I think the song would have been much better without it. That's my opinion and it's not unfounded.
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Unrelated: What is that noise that's going on from 1:30 to 1:58 of Outcry? That, like, sort of squeaking noise. For lack of a better way to describe it (which is why I'm asking).
Anyone?
I'm probably stupid for asking, but in that case, please help me become less stupid.
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Unrelated: What is that noise that's going on from 1:30 to 1:58 of Outcry? That, like, sort of squeaking noise. For lack of a better way to describe it (which is why I'm asking).
Anyone?
I'm probably stupid for asking, but in that case, please help me become less stupid.
You mean the electronic drums? There's like a phaser on the electronic hat or something.
I love that part. I kept trying to figure out what made it sound so different from anything they've ever done, and I realized: there's no drummer playing here.
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Unrelated: What is that noise that's going on from 1:30 to 1:58 of Outcry? That, like, sort of squeaking noise. For lack of a better way to describe it (which is why I'm asking).
Anyone?
I'm probably stupid for asking, but in that case, please help me become less stupid.
You mean the electronic drums? There's like a phaser on the electronic hat or something.
I love that part. I kept trying to figure out what made it sound so different from anything they've ever done, and I realized: there's no drummer playing here.
Oh, is that what it is?
Okay, yeah, I AM an idiot. Thanks for clarifying.
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Unrelated: What is that noise that's going on from 1:30 to 1:58 of Outcry? That, like, sort of squeaking noise. For lack of a better way to describe it (which is why I'm asking).
Anyone?
I'm probably stupid for asking, but in that case, please help me become less stupid.
You mean the electronic drums? There's like a phaser on the electronic hat or something.
I love that part. I kept trying to figure out what made it sound so different from anything they've ever done, and I realized: there's no drummer playing here.
I think Mike used the Pearl ePro Live in recording, so those may be triggered sounds.
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EDIT: What Rich said. Other than the "Roar" part, I don't understand how anyone could not like that vocal passage.
Really? We're talking about "Day after day", right? There are plenty of reasons not to like that passage.
MP's brutal vocal style over that particular passage (including the roar) coupled with the lyrics, which review the not-at-all-brutal events in a not-at-all-brutal way (there was a car crash and it was scary but it was all fine in the end), just plain sounds silly. I don't find that the verse contributes to the song at all and I think the song would have been much better without it. That's my opinion and it's not unfounded.
Nope. The lyrics fit the song perfectly, as does Mike's delivery (other than the part I mentioned).
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Nope. The lyrics fit the song perfectly, as does Mike's delivery (other than the part I mentioned).
Uh, okay.
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I might be late to the party, and I don't really want to skim 34 pages, but did anyone else see that there's a video for On the Backs of Angels?
https://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/--221576286
I had no idea...
EDIT: Apparently it came out today. I just happened to come across it.
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MP's brutal vocal style over that particular passage (including the roar) coupled with the lyrics, which review the not-at-all-brutal events in a not-at-all-brutal way (there was a car crash and it was scary but it was all fine in the end), just plain sounds silly. I don't find that the verse contributes to the song at all and I think the song would have been much better without it. That's my opinion and it's not unfounded.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I've always felt about it.
Anyway, finished a fifth listen to the album. Bridges In the Sky is starting to sound a lot better. Outcry is alright, but I don't think I'll ever get into Lost Not Forgotten. I really wish that Far From Heaven led straight into Breaking All Illusions, but that's just a personal preference as they still work as they are.
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I really wish that Far From Heaven led straight into Breaking All Illusions, but that's just a personal preference as they still work as they are.
I assume you mean FFH -> BTS?
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I'm not going batshit crazy over this album as I have for new releases in the past, but I don't think that's a reflection on Dream Theater (actually in fact I don't get super-excited about releases from anyone anymore). I will say however that this is a good deal better than recent previous output, particularly BCSL (although TCOT is still awesome).
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I really wish that Far From Heaven led straight into Breaking All Illusions, but that's just a personal preference as they still work as they are.
I assume you mean FFH -> BTS?
*Looks at tracklisting*
Um... no?
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I really wish that Far From Heaven led straight into Breaking All Illusions, but that's just a personal preference as they still work as they are.
I assume you mean FFH -> BTS?
*Looks at tracklisting*
Um... no?
Far From Heaven does lead straight into Breaking All Illusions...
... Doesn't it?
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He probably means without the silence between.
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Oh, right.
Sorry, Nel. I thought you were referring to track order. As in, saying you wished FFH came before BAI.
I'm thinking I should get off the computer because I'm apparently stupid today.
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He probably means without the silence between.
That's EXACTLY what I mean. The way everyone was talking about it, I thought it'd be more like Vacant/Stream Of Consciousness. But it works anyway, so it's a moot point. Just personal preference.
EDIT: It's all good, Jaffa. The abbreviations this time around are a bit confusing. XD
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He probably means without the silence between.
That's EXACTLY what I mean. The way everyone was talking about it, I thought it'd be more like Vacant/Stream Of Consciousness. But it works anyway, so it's a moot point. Just personal preference.
Audacity?
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He probably means without the silence between.
That's EXACTLY what I mean. The way everyone was talking about it, I thought it'd be more like Vacant/Stream Of Consciousness. But it works anyway, so it's a moot point. Just personal preference.
Audacity?
No. Opinion. :biggrin:
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What with Rush signing to Roadrunner and this being a highly anticipated album...
I wonder how Portnoy would react if the first DT without him goes to #1 in the US.
Also, has anyone mentioned that this is Labrie's tenth DT album? Kind of a milestone for him :)
Maybe that's why he put extra effort in ?
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
I'm glad they fixed all the above too. :coolio
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In seeing a lot of comments about Bridges In The Sky, I have to say, I think this is on small mistake the band made: I think they should have left the song title as "The Shaman's Trance." Yeah, it's a strange title for a song. But on the other hand, you would have a lot less confusion about the Shaman's vocal sound effects in the song. People would see the song title, hear that, and go, "Wait, what is--oh, I see." And that would be that. Having the song title be Bridges In The Sky, listeners who don't know about the original song title don't get it and get confused. IMO, they should have left it alone. /nitpick
In my ideal world, track five would be called The Shaman's Trance and the album would be called Bridges in the Sky. Then, TST would be the song that quotes the album's title, and the shaman's voice issue would be cleared up, and all would be groovy.
But this is probably just because I still don't like ADTOE as an album title.
I think they should have called it "Bridges in the Sky (The Shaman's Trance)" or something like that.
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Lost Not Forgotten : 4:53-5:40
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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i love how technical this album is
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I'm not really a fan of the musical spaz out after the nice intro in Lost Not Forgotten, but besides that it's one of the best on the album.
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THE BASS! THE BASS!! THE BASS!!!
It's good to have you back, Mr Myung! :heart
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
Yeah, for the most part none of those are things that I thought needed "fixed".
Really? You think JR just doubling JP's guitar is a good use of his talent? You liked the idea of MP horning in more and more on the vocals for each album? You think making JLB sing like he did on CM and TDEN is an effective use of his voice? Exactly which of the things on my list were you happy with???
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I think they've already said they were happy with most if not all of the items on your list. I know I was. If you can't accept that and only want to argue, I can tell you that's not a good idea.
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Are we talking about the band being happy, or the fans?
No MP lead vocals
Can't really be sure about this one. I think fans weren't happy with it, for the most part, but you've got to assume the band were fine with it, or at the very least diplomatic.
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Not sure James was forced to do anything in the past, but the fact he wanted to record his vocals on his own with his close friend in Canada is pretty telling. I think fans have been for the most part happy with him regardless. I personally liked his "bellamy" voice.
Using Jordan to full potential
Agreed completely with this. Again, nothing we've seen from before suggests he was unhappy with his role in the band but it does seem like he's being utilized better than ever now. Fans are a bit more divided, but criticism of him has reduced a lot over the years.
Myung involved again
Yeah, he seems to be much more part of it. Fans are definitely happier about this. You've got to assume he is too, since he seems so much more involved.
Improved lyrics
Eh... I think the band were really happy with the last two album's lyrics. Which would explain why the lyrics on this album are pretty much of the same quality. As far as fans go, I dunno. I don't see why people who didn't like the last two albums' lyrics would suddenly like these more.
Great vocal melodies and choruses
I think the band were happy with these, too. As were fans. This album is more melodic, though, which is great IMO.
No tired solo trade-offs
John P has explicitly stated he wanted to move past this, as have fans, so this one is dead on.
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Using Jordan to full potential
Agreed completely with this. Again, nothing we've seen from before suggests he was unhappy with his role in the band but it does seem like he's being utilized better than ever now. Fans are a bit more divided, but criticism of him has reduced a lot over the years.
Actually in a recent interview Jordan made a statement about how he had been disappointed that much of what he was doing had been buried in the mix (at least on BCSL)...I'm too lazy to go digging it up, but it was one posted in the last week or two.
Personally, I think his work on this album is his best (whole album) work to date. He not only has shown his virtuosity in numerous places, but he has brought in the atmosphere that has been missing in many ways since KevMo left. As a whole his sound is a huge nod back to older prog sounds and records. Would love to see him play with some more Moog and organ sounds in future albums.
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About the lyrics, the only problem I have with them is some "un-deepness" in Black Clouds & Silver Linings, a little cheesy stuff in Octavarium (NOT THE SONG!), and perhaps The Dark Eternal Night. Otherwise it's all good. But I have to say the lyrics on A Dramatic Turn of Events is damn good.
And the Portnoy vocals were great in like The Glass Prison and some other songs, it only bothers me in A Nightmare to Remember and The Count of Tuscany.
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Really? You think JR just doubling JP's guitar is a good use of his talent? You liked the idea of MP horning in more and more on the vocals for each album? You think making JLB sing like he did on CM and TDEN is an effective use of his voice? Exactly which of the things on my list were you happy with???
I'll run through the list-
MP lead vocals - He did this how many times? ANTR and PoW are the only ones I can think of. Anything else I'd call a backup vocal roll, and I really liked what MP's voice added to those songs. I loved hearing rich 3 part vocals with the tone of JLB, JP and MP together. And I really like the JLB/MP tradeoffs in songs like TGP and CM. And I liked a lot of MP's spoken vocals underneath JLB's vocals.
Forcing JLB to sound like Hetfield/Bellamy - Again, a total of two songs in a decade of MP having control? CM and Never Enough. Aside from that, this is another one of those things that gets blown out of proportion to me. Yes, there were definitely moments when JLB's vocals were not utilized well, and he was trying to fit something that wasn't suited to him.
CM was not a good use of his voice, but he still did a solid job, and I still love the song, as derivative as it clearly is. TDEN's verses again were admittedly not suited to JLB's vocals, but I love the song, because they experimented and tried something different, and I really enjoy the distorted vocals with MP for a one off song. I hate Never Enough because I felt that was too forced, so I won't defend that one.
And aside from a lot of TCOT, I think JLB's vocals were utilized very well on BCASL, and aside from the few rare examples I've mentioned already, I haven't had any issue with JLB's vocals on any of the self produced albums. I would say that JLB's heavy vocals on ANTR are just as well suited to him as the heavy songs on ADTOE.
I like that they occasionally try to push for something a bit different, even including these occasional times when it's not entirely successful.
Using Jordan to his potential - As a big fan of JR and keyboards, I agree that Jordan hasn't always been utilized well. But even on the songs where he's not using his full potential, such as TDEN and CM, I still feel he manages to add his touch, and I don't feel those particular styles of songs are worse off for lacking keyboards. In fact, I rank these songs very highly.
The only album I feel JR is underutilized overall is SC. He actually does a lot of cool stuff on ToT, although he's too buried in the mix a lot of the time. He totally shines on all of Octavarium, and even most of BCASL is quite good. I think ANTR was a song that utilized JR extremely well for such a heavy song. He added a ton of atmosphere there from beginning to end. Also, I really love the snarling pig doubling sound for those times when he's just riff doubling. I know I'm not entirely alone there either.
So at times his talent was not being put to good use, but to me it wasn't all too often, and I still enjoyed the songs very much. I'm glad he's being put to better use though, because he is responsible for most of my favourite DT songs.
Myung involved again - This one I'll agree with. He adds a lot of groove, and contributes good lyrics. But I enjoy the metal, and I had no problem with him doubling a heavy riff when that was what the music called for. But listening to SDOIT recently, the music is often better when he's doing his own thing. It's also the reason people think he's higher in the mix this album. But he's not. He's just not doubling anymore! He's actually cranked on most of their music.
Improved lyrics - Admittedly, I've never cared too much about lyrics, and I don't mind a lot of the lyrics that bother most people. TCOT's lyrics are unique, and they're fun. And I don't at all mind the fantasy stuff on SC. It was something different. I can understand why people take issue with these, but I didn't consider this a problem. There are lyrics on old albums I find more detrimental to the music. Each to his own.
Great vocal melodies and choruses - I will mostly disagree here. Dream Theater have always had a focus on great melodies and choruses, even on recent albums. I actually miss a lot of the big 3 part choruses DT were doing for choruses on recent albums, which I feel were probably MP's influence. Look at the mid section of ANTR, AROP's chorus, Wither. Great choruses. And say what you want about ITPOE, but go and listen to it and take notice of the vocal melodies and vocal delivery. They're amazing (excluding The Reckoning, which is a let down).
The last two albums definitely have their weaker spots, such as CM, TDEN, and most of TCOT, but aside from that, I found they had some truly amazing melodies. So I'll agree that ADTOE is more consistent here, but DT most certainly never stopped writing great choruses and melodies. I even think some of the stuff on BCASL is better than ADTOE.
No tired solo trade-offs - BCASL had 2/6 songs with back to back guitar/key solos. I already considered it a step in that direction. And there's a solo tradeoff in BITS, and I don't think it's any better than the ones on recent albums. And there's sort of one in LNF, although it's arguably done differently, and better (I quite like the section). The instrumental section in Outcry does nothing for me either, and it doesn't have any trade-offs at all. I either like an instrumental section or I don't, but the exact structure of it doesn't matter much to me.
It's not that I entirely disagree with any of your points, and some of these things have definitely improved on ADTOE, but I think a lot of these things are spoken of as a lot worse than they actually were. Just my opinion.
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Exactly which of the things on my list were you happy with???
Your list presupposes three things:
1. Every fan agrees with your opinion of those factors on recent albums.
2. Every fan agrees with your opinion that those factors have improved on the new album.
3. Every fan cares about those factors enough to view their improvement as an overall change for the better.
But take the point about lyrics, for instance. What about a fan who liked recent lyrics? Or what about a fan that didn't like recent lyrics, but doesn't think ADTOE does much better? Or what about a fan who liked recent lyrics and thinks ADTOE is a step in the wrong direction? Or what about a fan who doesn't pay attention to lyrics in the first place, and therefore doesn't let lyrics change his opinion of an album overall?
Or your point about JLB's vocals in Constant Motion and The Dark Eternal Night. Well, on Riceball's top 50 list, he has TDEN at number 14. The Dark Eternal Night is his 14th favorite DReam Theater song. You think he has a problem with its vocals? Think he would agree that they 'needed fixing?' I myself thought JLB's vocals in those songs were entertaining. I also liked his 'Bellamy' vocals - I don't have any problem with those songs. And while losing those vocals certainly doesn't HURT my opinion of the new album, it also doesn't automatically IMPROVE my opinion of the new album.
Don't get me wrong: I'm thoroughly enjoying ADTOE. I am not trying to criticize it. I'm just annoyed by the idea that a fan is somehow wrong if they don't like it. I for one like seeing varied opinions.
EDIT: Also, what Blob said.
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Hi !
Only got the new album last night - courtesy of my 14 yr old son.......he walked in and said "I've got something for you Dad" - and dropped the new CD on my lap - what a star !!!!
Listened to part of it on the way to work this morning.......my thoughts so far........
After I'd listened to Build Me Up Break Me Down for the first time......I was almost gasping for breath !!!! Sounds ridiculous, I know, but did anyone else experience this ????
Lost Not Forgotten - awesome...................just awesome !!!!!
Bridges In The Sky - great song (could definitely do without the bizarre burping noises though !)
Nice to see that the drums are put in the mix at a SENSIBLE level......and not right in your face like they were on the last 2 albums....
Petrucci and Rudess both shine brightly, as always.......................Mangini throws in some wonderful fills without being over the top..................
Cannot make any further comments just now.....but needless to say...........I'm looking forward to the rest of it !!!
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Hey Guys,
New to the forum but looking forward to contributing.
What I love noticing from DT as new albums come out is that you can really see a progression of maturity from their albums. I find that this album is so musically involved, and so compositionally rich. DT songs were always onions with a lot of layers - you could listen to a song 30 times and find something new; but this album hits a new level. For example I love the orchestral outro that Rudess does at the end of Breaking All Illusions & Build Me Up and Break Me Down. I feel like old DT would simply stop their songs (not as much as other bands however) whereas here the musical themes are introduced expanded upon then completed.
Drumming wise, I am happy with what Mangini did, I am not missing Portnoy's efforts in the band whatsoever.
One ciriticism I do have is that maybe they had TOO many good ideas in some songs. I feel like there are a couple songs that have enough musical ideas to make 3 or 4 other songs.
Breaking all Illusions has some great ideas in there, but as it has been mentioned before it seems like sometimes they crammed the chorus to close together with the preceeding few bars. I feel like they could have made it flow more smoothly by adding a few bars in between.
But overall I feel its a really powerful, orchestral, compositionally great album. Labrie is singing beautifully, the band is firing on all cylanders. You can't ask for much more :)
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MP lead vocals - He did this how many times? ANTR and PoW are the only ones I can think of. Anything else I'd call a backup vocal roll, and I really liked what MP's voice added to those songs. I loved hearing rich 3 part vocals with the tone of JLB, JP and MP together. And I really like the JLB/MP tradeoffs in songs like TGP and CM. And I liked a lot of MP's spoken vocals underneath JLB's vocals.
I liked them when they only appeared once or twice per album. And his background vocals were great-- until they became "tough guy" background vocals. On Black Clouds, those tough guy vocals were on every song but Wither and the Best of Times, which was not cool IMO.
Honestly, even imagining where his vocals might have cropped up in "Bridges in the Sky" or "Outcry" kinda makes me disappointed :P
Nothing against Mike, but the underlying notion that James' voice can't handle "tough" was always wrong. James can do tough fine. He's been doing tough fine!
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Nothing against Mike, but the underlying notion that James' voice can't handle "tough" was always wrong. James can do tough fine. He's been doing tough fine!
I never interpreted MP's vocals that way. It was a matter of contrast. The only way I feel it would have undermined JLB's vocal talents is lead vocals, such as ANTR. I'm indifferent to that section, but that one's perhaps valid.
Aside from that, it's always to either add another vocal element to achieve a certain sound, or as a call and response type thing that would sound a bit weird with one vocalist, which I actually really liked.
To me it was no different to using MP/JP for harmonies. It was used to add a variety of tones to the vocals, much like how JP would double a guitar riff with a different guitar sound to add depth. I actually miss having the other guys doing some vocals. And the majority of the time, I had absolutely no issue with "tough guy" vocals. TDEN and ANTR are both top 20 songs for me.
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MP lead vocals - He did this how many times? ANTR and PoW are the only ones I can think of. Anything else I'd call a backup vocal roll, and I really liked what MP's voice added to those songs. I loved hearing rich 3 part vocals with the tone of JLB, JP and MP together. And I really like the JLB/MP tradeoffs in songs like TGP and CM. And I liked a lot of MP's spoken vocals underneath JLB's vocals.
I liked them when they only appeared once or twice per album. And his background vocals were great-- until they became "tough guy" background vocals. On Black Clouds, those tough guy vocals were on every song but Wither and the Best of Times, which was not cool IMO.
Honestly, even imagining where his vocals might have cropped up in "Bridges in the Sky" or "Outcry" kinda makes me disappointed :P
Nothing against Mike, but the underlying notion that James' voice can't handle "tough" was always wrong. James can do tough fine. He's been doing tough fine!
I agree that James can handle "tough" vocals. He's proven that. And he did those kinds of vocals a lot, even on the previous two albums. It's just that Mike started doing some of them. The amount that Mike did on the last two pre-ADTOE albums was fine for me. Much more would have been too much, but I was completely fine with what he did. And just because there was an upward trend in Mike's vocals on the last two albums doesn't mean that trend would have continued. But there is plenty that he did that was just perfect as well.
I absolutely LOVE the tradeoff vocals he did on songs like Constant Motion and The Shattered Fortress. The tradeoffs between he and James, IMO, took both of those songs up several notches. Not that James can't handle those kinds of vocals. He was pretty much doing the same kinds of vocals in the tradeoffs. It just sounded cool with two different voices.
I know the fan base is split on this one, but I also really like the vocal passage on ANTR, as I've said over and over. What some people seem not not understand is that that is the pivotal moment in the song where the narrative shifts and, rather than going point by point through the events that happened in the story, it's a step back to summarize that the event was very dark and that even the small glimmer of positive in the situation is such a small silver lining in what is completely a VERY dark cloud (metaphor on purpose, because I think that's exactly what the band was doing). So while James could definitely handle that part, I think it was appropriate to have a different voice to further highlight that shift. And I think the vocal tone they ultimately went with was perfect. Too clean, and it would not have had the impact and dark quality that is needed for that part. Too far in the growly direction Mike had originally intended would have pushed it over the top. As it is, I think it ended up being perfect.
Stuff like what he did on TCOT I don't really care about. That could go either way. It doesn't bother me one bit, but if they had just left those background vocals with James, that would have been fine too. An AROP, however, they really fit the song well.
Anyway, bottom line is, yeah, there was definitely room for adjustment, but I think Mike's vocals added a lot to most of the songs they showed up on.
As for the other stuff Blob pointed out, I mostly agree. Yeah, there is always room for adjustment and improvement. And the band showed on this album that they were capable to taking all those things up a few notches and blowing a lot of us away by doing it. But "there's room for improvement" is not the same as "it needed fixing." If something is working fine, it doesn't need fixing. It can sometimes be improved and made better, but that doesn't mean it was broken. That distinction seems to be getting lost.
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I agree that James can handle "tough" vocals. He's proven that. And he did those kinds of vocals a lot, even on the previous two albums. It's just that Mike started doing some of them. The amount that Mike did on ADTOE was fine for me.
You must have gotten the special edition, huh?
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Oh! Also-
Is it just me or would have anyone else preferred Rudess on a stineway during his little solo in Beneath the Surface instead of whatever synth he used? I think it would have made the song.
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Oh! Also-
Is it just me or would have anyone else preferred Rudess on a stineway during his little solo in Beneath the Surface instead of whatever synth he used? I think it would have made the song.
I personally thought that part was absolutely gorgeous as is, but maybe that's just me. :)
Also, welcome to the forum!
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I agree that James can handle "tough" vocals. He's proven that. And he did those kinds of vocals a lot, even on the previous two albums. It's just that Mike started doing some of them. The amount that Mike did on ADTOE was fine for me.
You must have gotten the special edition, huh?
Or maybe he was ok with Portnoy's amount of vocals on ADTOE, ie none. Or maybe he was referring to Mike Mangini' vocals on the album. See? Not so hard to figure out. :P
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I agree that James can handle "tough" vocals. He's proven that. And he did those kinds of vocals a lot, even on the previous two albums. It's just that Mike started doing some of them. The amount that Mike did on ADTOE was fine for me.
You must have gotten the special edition, huh?
Oops. Heh! :) Fixed now. That's what happens when you are typing a post at work and get interrupted in the middle of your thought.
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I'm sorry. But WTF are "Bellamy" vocals?
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I'm sorry. But WTF are "Bellamy" vocals?
Apparently he's the guy from Muse. So Muse vocals, ie Never Enough. The one song that remotely sounds like Muse.
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No more Portnoy vocals is definitely a great thing! Sure, there are a few examples of when they sort of worked, but generally they were usually like, ick. The new album reminds me of the 90s when any and all vocals heard are by Mr. James La Brie. As they should be. When you have a singer as good as JLB, having a secondary singer who is that much worse really stands out. It would be like if Yes had had only Steve Howe doing background vocals or harmonies behind or with Jon Anderson. The absence of Chris Squire would have left a big gap. Along those lines, had DT had a secondary singer who could sing as well and had as good a voice as Squire, Portnoy's voice as the third one probably would have been fine (since you'd almost never hear it on its own, but its presence would help harmonies sound fuller and thicker).
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And parts of Panic Attack. The
"Run
Try to hide
Overwhelmed by this complex delirium"
section sounds like it was influence by Bellamy a lot.
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And parts of Panic Attack. The
"Run
Try to hide
Overwhelmed by this complex delirium"
section sounds like it was influence by Bellamy a lot.
So using falsetto vocals means it's Muse now? To me it was just JLB trying something stylistically different. I don't see that's a bad thing at all.
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Maybe that's why he put extra effort in ?
I think it's safer to assume it's because he was given much more freedom in this album.
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I may have misrepresented myself. I like the vocals in Panic Attack, and I don't really know they were inspired by Muse, but that's what they remind me of. And it's not falsetto. It's the way he slides into the notes.
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My rank list:
1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Bridges in the Sky
3. Outcry
4. This is the Life
5. Beneath the Surface
6. Far from Heaven
7. On the Backs of Angels
8. Lost Not Forgotten
9. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Now album is for me really great. I rank it as my top 5 DT album :tup
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
:tup
To be fair, I think MP has quite a pleasant light baritone singing voice that works well in some situations (e.g. Transatlantic), it was just his insistence on doing "tough guy" vocals that his voice isn't suited to that got on my nerves (...and then there's those narrations that he was fond of throwing in that never sounded good, particularly when pitch shifted down :tdwn)
As for the improved lyrics, it is ironic that the last two albums it was Petrucci whose lyrics had fallen off a cliff and MP's whose lyrics had become more reliable. Still, I won't miss the fact that MP's favourite subject for writing lyrics about is Mike Portnoy.
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I'm sorry. But WTF are "Bellamy" vocals?
Apparently he's the guy from Muse. So Muse vocals, ie Never Enough. The one song that remotely sounds like Muse.
Well, here I disagree. True, Never Enough is the song that most blatantly sounds like Muse (isn't it essentially just Stockholme Syndrome reworked?), but I do hear Muse in a couple others as well. Prophets of War and parts of Panic Attack always remind me of Muse. I know it's just a singing style he's using, but in my opinion, JLB singing falsetto does sound quite a bit like Matthew Bellamy.
For the record, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Muse is one of my favorite bands. So I'm not trying to argue that the 'Bellamy vocals' are a bad thing at all. Just saying I can understand why people call them 'Bellamy vocals'.
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And parts of Panic Attack. The
"Run
Try to hide
Overwhelmed by this complex delirium"
section sounds like it was influence by Bellamy a lot.
So using falsetto vocals means it's Muse now? To me it was just JLB trying something stylistically different. I don't see that's a bad thing at all.
I don't think he implied it was bad... Did you? ;D
Funny thing though, I was listening to Panic Attack for the first time in weeks yesterday and noticed some Bellamy influence in that bridge section. But it really fits. I really like that part, after the 2nd chorus.
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I'm sorry. But WTF are "Bellamy" vocals?
Apparently he's the guy from Muse. So Muse vocals, ie Never Enough. The one song that remotely sounds like Muse.
Well, here I disagree. True, Never Enough is the song that most blatantly sounds like Muse (isn't it essentially just Stockholme Syndrome reworked?), but I do hear Muse in a couple others as well. Prophets of War and parts of Panic Attack always remind me of Muse. I know it's just a singing style he's using, but in my opinion, JLB singing falsetto does sound quite a bit like Matthew Bellamy.
For the record, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Muse is one of my favorite bands. So I'm not trying to argue that the 'Bellamy vocals' are a bad thing at all. Just saying I can understand why people call them 'Bellamy vocals'.
Ok, I can see Panic Attack, with the softer high vocals and heavy vibrato. Prophets of War not as much to me. Maybe a little in the intro, but it doesn't sound like an intentional influence there to me. Again it's mostly the softer vocal style.
As the original point was about forcing JLB to sing like Bellamy, Never Enough still sounds like the only song that is intentionally Muse-ish to me (which is undeniable given the style of the rest of the song). The other two I can sort of get, but like you, I don't consider them a bad thing at all. It's a slight influence at most anyway. And the original argument (from Dream Team) was that it was a bad thing.
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As the original point was about forcing JLB to sing like Bellamy, Never Enough still sounds like the only song that is intentionally Muse-ish to me (which is undeniable given the style of the rest of the song). The other two I can sort of get, but like you, I don't consider them a bad thing at all. It's a slight influence at most anyway. And the original argument (from Dream Team) was that it was a bad thing.
Oh, I understand. Please don't think I'm disagreeing with your overall point. Just one of those 'I DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET I MUST POINT IT OUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S BARELY RELEVANT' moments. :lol
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume that every fan had a problem with their 00s output and thought there were all of these problems to fix. ;)
Yeah, for the most part none of those are things that I thought needed "fixed".
Really? You think JR just doubling JP's guitar is a good use of his talent? You liked the idea of MP horning in more and more on the vocals for each album? You think making JLB sing like he did on CM and TDEN is an effective use of his voice? Exactly which of the things on my list were you happy with???
Okay, I'll briefly respond to each point individually:
1. MP's vocals - I have no problem with most of them. I actually think they added to the songs most of the time.
2. JLB being "forced" to sing like other people - I enjoy his voice a lot when he's singing in his "metal" style. And I love TDEN. I'm not familiar with Bellamy, and I never really thought he sounded like Hetfield. Personally, the metal singer his grittier style reminds the most of is Mustaine.
3. Jordan's being held back - I don't really think he's been held back. There's never been a shortage of keyboards on any DT release, either studio or live. I do really like the "real" piano on the new album.
4. Myung's increased involvement - This is a really good thing, in my opinion. Happy about it. :tup
5. Improved lyrics - Overall, I haven't minded the lyrics on any of the albums. There may be a song or two on each whose lyrics I don't necessarily like as well, but that holds true for ADTOE as well.
6. Vocal melodies and choruses - I haven't found this area lacking in the past, and I don't see it lacking now.
7. No "tired" solo trade offs - I really like the dueling solos.
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Anyone else mention how they were happy that OTBOA starts with the birds chirping that ended TCOT?
(I mean, it seems like it was in a lower register, but still)
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I think the birds were just a bit off key on TCOT, so they pitch-corrected them on OTBOA.
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6:45-7:09 in outcry sounds like it couldve been on mr. bungle's selftitled album
which is awesome
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I've listened to the album a number of times. Still haven't formed my final thoughts but I think I've heard it enough to judge it.
It's pretty good! DT's brand of music has fallen out of favor with me somewhat over the past two years, but I still find this to be a mostly enjoyable listen all the way through. Undoubtedly, the hardcore DT fans are/will love it.
Things I like:
Rudess - He's everywhere on this album and it really shows. Love the piano bits and the electronic elements.
Petrucci's guitar tone has some great crunch without being overbearingly heavy. It reminds me of his tone from Scenes.
Myung - He's alive! I like that he does more than double the guitar. He seems to be in lockstep with the drums more often than not, which really drives the songs.
This is the Life - A great, modern DT ballad. Wither is great, but it sounds like it's from an era past. The super tasteful playing by everyone in the band really lets the song breathe. I was waiting for Petrucci's final solo to turn into a shredfest but he held back and got one of the best solos on the record out of it. Love the bluesiness of it.
Things I don't like:
Some of the ballads sound a bit kitschy. Far From Heaven is really pretty, but it's a little too Disney for my tastes.
Outcry - This song just does not work for me. In my mind, it has the worst chorus on the album both musically and lyrically. It's just so vanilla sounding and bland to me. Nothing from the instrumental section sticks out to me, either.
Overall, it's a nice refinement to the modern Dream Theater sound.
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Anyone else mention how they were happy that OTBOA starts with the birds chirping that ended TCOT?
(I mean, it seems like it was in a lower register, but still)
Not sure about birds chirping, but ever since I heard the strange sounds in the beginning I've wondering if there was a nugget there. Sounds like somebody talking
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I'm getting increasingly irritated at people saying the synth lead on BTS is "out of tune" or "cheap sounding".
I don't know, but I had a big smile on my face when I heard it and instantly thought of buttery goodness and ELP.
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Is it just me, or is anyone else amused by the sheer volume of people phrasing their opinions on this album in the form of 'is it just me, or...' questions?
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Is it just me, or are you easily amused?
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i lol every time i watch the part in the documentary after priester finishes and jordan just goes 'you did a fuckin great job'. the most threatening compliment ever. :lol
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Mulling over the album at first I wasn't really feeling it, but this album is really hitting me now. :tup
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Just got the new album, having heard none of it except for OTBOA.
I'm on BMUBMD, and I was compelled to make this post because...
Tonight i am the new messiah
You deify
When i'm no longer desired
I'll be crucified
When i'm no longer desired
I'll be crucified
I'll be crucified
crucified
CRUCIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
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:rollin
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:lol
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the riff JP plays during the verses of OTBOA is pretty coo.
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CRUCIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
:lol
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Okay I've listened to it enough to make sense of all this chaos....
Post Sex Degrees i've liked all of DT's output, it may of not of blown me away like previously but they've still maintained a high level.
However this album is on another level !!!
I'm still sad that MP has left and wish they could of produced this album with him, the truth of the matter is that he needed to leave for this to happen.
Its so epic, melodic, heartfelt and well truly incredible. Can't stop listening to it, I've not been this excited for ages with regards to DT.
It feels like the spirit & integrity of DT has come back, they're taking chances, they're not looking at anyone else and trying to sound like this or that.
JMX is back, Jordan has gone up a level, JLB is just awesome free of having to sound like James Hetfield or Dave Mustaine and JP...well what can you say that's not been said about him.
Everyone has their opinions and mine is that this is their best album since Scenes...yes I'll put it even higher than Six Degrees, and I love that album.
:tup
p.s Almost forgot...welcome MM you have done yourself proud !
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I've listened to this a few more times and I'm still struggling. The shorter songs are fine, fantastic in fact, but the four longer (10 mins plus) songs just don't stand out. They're all too similar. I'm reminded of Iron Maiden's The Final Frontier album, and how the longer songs are all so different to each other. These songs just seem very standard DT fare - manic intro-verse-verse -chorus-bridge-chorus-bridge- wierd instrumental- final chorus reprise.
BITS has a great melodic chorus, and Outcry rocks, so those 2 are my favourites. LNF just seems pretty lame, and is my least favourite. I think I'll listen to the album again, and programme the CD player to skip LNF and see if that makes the album stronger.
As an audiophile, this album sounds fantastic. JLB is better than he's ever sounded, and the spaces between the instruments are crystal clear. JMX's bass thumps up the wall and makes the whole house shake. Acoustically, their best production yet, although the drums could do with being a little louder. A true audiophile's dream.
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I've listened to this a few more times and I'm still struggling. The shorter songs are fine, fantastic in fact, but the four longer (10 mins plus) songs just don't stand out. They're all too similar. I'm reminded of Iron Maiden's The Final Frontier album, and how the longer songs are all so different to each other. These songs just seem very standard DT fare - manic intro-verse-verse -chorus-bridge-chorus-bridge- wierd instrumental- final chorus reprise.
BITS has a great melodic chorus, and Outcry rocks, so those 2 are my favourites. LNF just seems pretty lame, and is my least favourite. I think I'll listen to the album again, and programme the CD player to skip LNF and see if that makes the album stronger.
As an audiophile, this album sounds fantastic. JLB is better than he's ever sounded, and the spaces between the instruments are crystal clear. JMX's bass thumps up the wall and makes the whole house shake. Acoustically, their best production yet, although the drums could do with being a little louder. A true audiophile's dream.
You need to listen to Breaking All Illusions more. :)
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You need to listen to Breaking All Illusions more. :)
Yeah, I do - I need to listen to the whole album more. I'm just saying that so far, none of those longer songs, including BAI, has really grabbed me yet. That doesn't mean they're not going to grow on me and become firm favourites over time (well, possibly not LNF). That's what I love about DT, it's music that demands repeated listening and gets better with time.
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Post Sex Degrees i've liked all of DT's output, it may of not of blown me away
Oh you.
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:lol Sorry that was a typo !
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So I've been listening to ADTOE constantly since I got it, and just........wow. This is album is truly special, and definitely top 3. It gets better with every listen, and there isn't a weak track on it imo. Each song compliments each other and it's a perfect balance, not to mention that it revives the 'classic' DT sound which has been absent on the past few albums. So I say well done DT, and bring on the shows!!
Cheers!
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I am not impressed with album... Think it is the weakest of all, but still maybe it is early to say definitive comment. Songs are too boring for me.. cannot compare them to earlier album which were masterpieces.
But one song is very very great ,and I am listening to it all the time, it is Breaking All Illusions, really DT song that vary of different rhythms and eveything :hefdaddy
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I love every part of the album, but am i the only one that thinks that LNF, BITS, and Outcry are better than Breaking All Illusions?
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I love every part of the album, but am i the only one that thinks that LNF, BITS, and Outcry are better than Breaking All Illusions?
no i concur with you good sir
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I may have misrepresented myself. I like the vocals in Panic Attack, and I don't really know they were inspired by Muse, but that's what they remind me of. And it's not falsetto. It's the way he slides into the notes.
I always thought that was Freddy Mercury inspired if anything.
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Well, I'm baffled any DT fan could not like this album. They basically fixed EVERYTHING that was wrong with their 00s output:
No MP lead vocals
No forcing JLB to sing like Hetfield/Bellamy/etc
Using Jordan to full potential
Myung involved again
Improved lyrics
Great vocal melodies and choruses
No tired solo trade-offs
Whatever.
All of these things are reasons that I, personally, love the new album so much, but I wouldn't be so unreasonable as to expect that this would be the norm. Remember, their fanbase has grown tremendously in the last decade, when many of these things were "wrong".
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the riff JP plays during the verses of OTBOA is pretty coo.
pretty coo.
When I listen to:
"Today I will be your Savior
Tomorrow a demon"
I'm surprised that after the first take of these lyrics JLB didn't put his lyric sheet down and sighed. "John, really? I mean, dude. No..."
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My new very personal ranking:
1.I&W
2.ADTOE
3.Awake
4.SFAM
5.FII
6.SDOIT
7.Octavarium
8.TOT
9.BC&SL
10.SC
I mean i like them all, i listen to all of them but since one week i just listen to ADTOE.
i just love it, even if it plays 80 minutes i always think, oh its over again! but no problem its on eternal replay. :metal :hefdaddy
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the riff JP plays during the verses of OTBOA is pretty coo.
pretty coo.
When I listen to:
"Today I will be your Savior
Tomorrow a demon"
I'm surprised that after the first take of these lyrics JLB didn't put his lyric sheet down and sighed. "John, really? I mean, dude. No..."
In the context of the song, it serves as a good base for the other verse lyrics. And yes, they may not be the best lyrics ever, but they're not bad. You just hate everything for no reason these days ololol
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What's wrong with that line?
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I'm going to come right out and say it, Breaking All Illusions isn't the best song on the album.
Bridges in The Sky is.
:tup
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What's wrong with that line?
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My .02...
I like the album. It sounds like I would expect a DT album to sound. Good, progressive metal (mostly). I don't want another Images and Words, Awake, or album of the past. I want a DT album that represents where they stand now. That's what we got.
I don't get the Portnoy or Black Clouds and Silver Linings, Systematic Chaos bashing. They are great albums. OK the lyrics got silly at times. But I could care less. I listen to DT for the musicianship. As long as the vocal melodies fit the song, I'm happy. I don't care if the song is about a car wreck or a guy banging his brothers wife and is murdered.
So yea, it's a good DT album. It is what I expected. I'm happy with it.
PS - Take the extra 10 seconds and type words. BC&SL, OTBoA, ADToE, BAA.BITS,LNF,BMUBMD, just spell it. All these acronyms are killing me now!
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My favourite album of DT's since ToT there's purpose, a sense of trying to make a certain kind of album, and I'm listening to the music and songwriting rather than a series of twiddly bits, which has been a problem. Hilarious lyrics, a less hi-fi mix, some really, really great playing from Petrucci especially, Myung back in the mix and rocking, good vocal melodies written in a good register, nice harmonies, songs that don't sound padded and a really strong debut from MM, all in all a top effort and I'm really enjoying it, which couldn't honestly be said for all but a handful of tracks from their last few.
One thing. Bridges In The Sky is a magnificent song. Why, on my headphones, does it sound as if it's been mixed with so little attention compared with the other tracks?
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I really love the album. The only let down about it is, it doesn't really 'take me on a journey' you know? Like SFAM, 6DOIT, SC, Octavarium, BC&SL, etc. really took me on a journey. This one just seemed like a collection of kick ass songs, which is cool, but I still love that feeling of being taken on a fuckin journey. Hopefully the next album takes me somewhere.
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I really love the album. The only let down about it is, it doesn't really 'take me on a journey' you know? Like SFAM, 6DOIT, SC, Octavarium, BC&SL, etc. really took me on a journey. This one just seemed like a collection of kick ass songs, which is cool, but I still love that feeling of being taken on a fuckin journey. Hopefully the next album takes me somewhere.
I'm glad I don't quite look at albums like you do, or I would have hated the last album. The journey started with a car crash and time in a hospital, drove through alchoholism, took a pit stop at the death of my father, and ended in a dungeon in Tuscany. What a shitty vacation.
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The journey started with a car crash and time in a hospital, drove through alchoholism, took a pit stop at the death of my father, and ended in a dungeon in Tuscany. What a shitty vacation.
that was wonderful.
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The journey started with a car crash and time in a hospital, drove through alchoholism, took a pit stop at the death of my father, and ended in a dungeon in Tuscany. What a shitty vacation.
that was wonderful.
*bows with a flourish*
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I really love the album. The only let down about it is, it doesn't really 'take me on a journey' you know? Like SFAM, 6DOIT, SC, Octavarium, BC&SL, etc. really took me on a journey. This one just seemed like a collection of kick ass songs, which is cool, but I still love that feeling of being taken on a fuckin journey. Hopefully the next album takes me somewhere.
I'm glad I don't quite look at albums like you do, or I would have hated the last album. The journey started with a car crash and time in a hospital, drove through alchoholism, took a pit stop at the death of my father, and ended in a dungeon in Tuscany. What a shitty vacation.
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I really love the album. The only let down about it is, it doesn't really 'take me on a journey' you know? Like SFAM, 6DOIT, SC, Octavarium, BC&SL, etc. really took me on a journey. This one just seemed like a collection of kick ass songs, which is cool, but I still love that feeling of being taken on a fuckin journey. Hopefully the next album takes me somewhere.
I'm glad I don't quite look at albums like you do, or I would have hated the last album. The journey started with a car crash and time in a hospital, drove through alchoholism, took a pit stop at the death of my father, and ended in a dungeon in Tuscany. What a shitty vacation.
:lol :clap:
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Am I the only one who likes Outcry more than Bridges In The Sky?
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My review:
On the Backs of Angels: My first impression was of excitement for something new when the single came out. I liked it ok, but it felt like the song wasn't structured well. Everybody was raving about how well structured it is. It felt like DT were throwing all of these sections at me with no continuity. That being said, compared to Outcry, it's much more structured than I originally thought. I never skip this song and it's one of my favorites on the album now. It has some very catchy riffs mixed with memorable solos and grooves.
Build Me Up Break Me Down: I love the electronic intro into the heavy riff. I love the contrast between JLB's aggressive vocals/thick grooves in the verses and the fluidity of the vocal melodies and grand open scale of the choruses.
Lost Not Forgotten I love the way this song starts with the strange piano line into an atmospheric groove. I dislike the noodling from 2:00-2:30 so much I physically edited it out myself. It makes no sense and was ruining the song for me. The verses do a decent job of holding their own, but a bit bland. I'm not crazy about the transition from verse to chorus. The choruses are also bland, but I like the instrumental sections from 4:23ish on. The last 5:30 minutes of this song is some of the best on the album.
This is the Life JP's tone is top notch here. I get a huge SFAM vibe on this one. I'd say this is the only song of its kind on the album. It's not so much a ballad nor is it a heavy onslaught of notes. Very solid song that sticks with one simple formula throughout.
Bridges in the Sky My favorite song on the album does what all of my favorite DT songs do, it has memorable vocal melodies & riffs, tasty drumming, a series of minor peaks, then the obligatory triumphant climax. A+
Outcry The tone of Outcry is dark and airy. The electronic percussion is injected well. The chorus is well executed. The instrumental sections get a bit much. I admit, they're fun to listen to, but unneeded. I'll compare to TDOE which has continuity and flow from one section to another. Outcry is like an instrumental cheeseburger with the bun being vocals at the beginning and end. The instrumental grease is leaking out the bottom and just becomes too messy.
Far From Heaven James and Jordan shine here. The piano has a disappear vibe to it, but in a more classical way. This song is a perfect way to lead into Breaking All Illusions.
Breaking All Illusions The opening structure of this song reminds me of This Dying Soul. You have the energetic opening that slightly changes from phrase to phrase as it winds down for JLB's entrance mirrored by guitar leads. It quickly builds back up into a killer riff, a fantastic chorus, then the opening riff again. Like, Outcry, complex and melodic solo sections follow, but unlike Outcry, they transition flawlessly. Finally the song crescendos and minds are blown.
Beneath the Surface James is great here. The guitar line and backing orchestral arrangements are subtly awesome. Jordan's synth is a perfect fit for the song. The topic of this song is very real and reminds of something off of SDOIT.
Overall this album is fantastic. The tone puts me in a happy place and certain moments give me that 4:30 mark of Blind Faith feeling... the kind of feeling that makes you proud to be a Dream Theater fan.
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Am I the only one who likes Outcry more than Bridges In The Sky?
I rate them =
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After some deliberation, I've made my next bit of progress with the new album: With the comparatively lame tunes BMU BMD and Outcry, this album will not pose any serious threat to DT's current musical trinity, I&W, SFAM, and 6DOIT.
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Couldn't possibly put 6degrees above Awake myself, but there we are.
Anyway, I like this album. And that's what matters.
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A MASTER PIECE
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A MASTER PIECE
Piece of Mind
Rust in Piece
Master Piece (should have been a Metallica album)
Anyway, epic 1st post! Welcome to the forum.
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This is a really solid album. It's not breaking any ground, but that's just fine with me.
But the lyrics on BTS are such a breath of fresh air.
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I really love the album. The only let down about it is, it doesn't really 'take me on a journey' you know? Like SFAM, 6DOIT, SC, Octavarium, BC&SL, etc. really took me on a journey. This one just seemed like a collection of kick ass songs, which is cool, but I still love that feeling of being taken on a fuckin journey. Hopefully the next album takes me somewhere.
I'm glad I don't quite look at albums like you do, or I would have hated the last album. The journey started with a car crash and time in a hospital, drove through alchoholism, took a pit stop at the death of my father, and ended in a dungeon in Tuscany. What a shitty vacation.
You forgot the part where you lose the ability to write good posts after joining the free-masons.
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Outcry The tone of Outcry is dark and airy. The electronic percussion is injected well. The chorus is well executed. The instrumental sections get a bit much. I admit, they're fun to listen to, but unneeded. I'll compare to TDOE which has continuity and flow from one section to another. Outcry is like an instrumental cheeseburger with the bun being vocals at the beginning and end. The instrumental grease is leaking out the bottom and just becomes too messy.
Brilliant analogy. If you don't mind, I'll take the first part, and rewrite it to suit my own take on the song:
Outcry The tone of Outcry is dark and airy. The electronic percussion is injected well. The chorus is well executed. The instrumental sections are fun to listen to, and although similarly long instrumental sections in other songs can get tiring and feel out of place, somehow that never happens with this song. I'll compare to TDOE which has continuity and flow from one section to another. Outcry is like an instrumental cheeseburger with the bun being vocals at the beginning and end. The instrumental grease is leaking out the bottom, running down your forearms, and even though it makes a complete mess, it just gives you an ear-to-ear grin and a feeling down deep inside your soul that everything is just warm and gooey and right. Or something...
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My own personal take:
Outcry The tone of Outcry is dark and airy. The electronic percussion is injected well. The chorus is well executed. The instrumental sections are fun to listen to, and although similarly long instrumental sections in other songs can get tiring and feel out of place, somehow that never happens with this song. I'll compare to TDOE which has continuity and flow from one section to another. Outcry is like an instrumental cheeseburger with the bun being vocals at the beginning and end. The instrumental grease is leaking out the bottom, running down your forearms, and even though it makes a complete mess, it just gives you an ear-to-ear grin and a feeling down deep inside your soul that everything is just warm and gooey and right... Until you realize, "Hey, I've eaten this cheeseburger before! Yeah, there's lettuce, a bun, cheese, tomato, onions, ketchup, pickles, a beef-patty, and all the other normal trimmings. It's like John just decided to go back and use the recipe charts for some other burger he had made before, thinking that slipping a few strips of bacon on top and switching the normal bun out with a sesame seed one would be able to hide the unoriginality from us fans :facepalm:"
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Outcry is such a bizarre song. It's a really great, melodic, rocking song with a really cool tonal riff and catchy chorus. And in the middle of it is a really great, totally mad, insane, and at time atonal, instrumental section. These two things shouldn't go together, and the song should be totally disjointed, but for some reason it works.
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Outcry is such a bizarre song. It's a really great, melodic, rocking song with a really cool tonal riff and catchy chorus. And in the middle of it is a really great, totally mad, insane, and at time atonal, instrumental section. These two things shouldn't go together, and the song should be totally disjointed, but for some reason it works.
I think it's because of the bacon. :godisgood:
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That must be it.
I'm hungry.
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Outcry is such a bizarre song. It's a really great, melodic, rocking song with a really cool tonal riff and catchy chorus. And in the middle of it is a really great, totally mad, insane, and at time atonal, instrumental section. These two things shouldn't go together, and the song should be totally disjointed, but for some reason it works.
I think it's because of the bacon. :godisgood:
If only JP had completed the trifecta by having the line "streets paved with bacon" on top of the streets of gold and blood, ADTOE would be 100% perfect. As it stands I can only give it 99%.
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This is the first offering from Dream Theater since Scenes where I have song melodies STUCK IN MY HEAD. That is a good thing. I feel they focused a bit more on the song, instead of cramming as many notes, riffs, and fills in a song as they could. Obviously that is a generalization, but I just feel the album is more accessible, and easier to enjoy. I absolutely LOVE track 1 & 3. That is all. :)
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Just opened up the vinyl edition. I do love this album artwork
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When will we know how sales went in USA? i went to billboard page and there is nothing yet.
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:tdwn Still have not opened up shit, nore heard any song other the OTBoA because I ordered for RR and don't even have the cd yet. Even the positve news is starting to annoy me. Sticking with Amazon from now on. Cheaper and much more organized.
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Alright guys, I'm willing to eat some crow.
I gave it another spin (more out of stubbornness than anything) and this time I enjoyed most songs. The only ones that haven't fully clicked are LNF and Outcry, mostly because of their instrumental passages but the album as a whole sounded pretty good. It still doesn't touch top albums for me but it's pretty solid and I think I will end up liking BAI and BITS a lot.
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Every time I get to the end of Outcry, I think "wtf, there's only 3 songs left and 2 of them are short. How did that happen?!" The album just seems to fly by so fast every time, I guess that's a good thing :D
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Every time I get to the end of Outcry, I think "wtf, there's only 3 songs left and 2 of them are short. How did that happen?!" The album just seems to fly by so fast every time, I guess that's a good thing :D
Aha! Same here!! xD
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My first post here... hello everyone.
I am pretty happy with this new album. I REALLY liked it at first, but its kinda simmered down since then. I do really enjoy it, but it will take some time to tell if it really is a classic or not. I haven't found myself DYING to listen to it over the last week or so, but that doesn't mean it's bad by any means. I did listen a lot in the first week, so maybe I need a break from it. I am seeing DT on Oct 12 in NYC, so I will definitely be pumped for this show. As far as the actual songs, Breaking All Illusions is freakin' amazing, and I think Bridges is probably a close 2nd. Outcry is slightly tough to get into, but I am enjoying the majority of the songs here.
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Just opened up the vinyl edition. I do love this album artwork
Damn, can you post some pics? If it's cool with the mods
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Of course it is.
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Here they are OsMosis. Instead of being called sides, they are called Events (Event 1, Event 2, ect.) Also BMUBMD is a second shorter and LNF is almost a minute longer. This is the first DT album in awhile that actually has a great vinyl layout. Each one sounds like a distinct side. Tell me if they aren't loading
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Overall, this album kicks serious amounts of ass. Light-years above the last 2 albums.
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I love this album.
This is probably my second favourite album of theirs behind only Six Degrees. Outcry is a great big clunker, and BMU, BMD has its weaker moments, but the album's more or less flawless otherwise.
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That artwork is beautiful.
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So far this thing is putting up a damn good fight for top 3.
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Do me a solid....give Outcry a few more spins. Took longer than most songs on this album for me to get what the artists were saying, but once it did....oh yes.
Outcry and BTS were my biggest growers. Started out disliking both and grew to love them soon after...although BTS took me a lot longer. Now they're probably my two most listened to tracks on the album.
I think BTS hit me when I started to listen more carefully to the lyrics.
Edit: Angelback, not sure how I'm above you on this response on the page...but it happened ;D
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I love this album.
This is probably my second favourite album of theirs behind only Six Degrees. Outcry is a great big clunker, and BMU, BMD has its weaker moments, but the album's more or less flawless otherwise.
Do me a solid....give Outcry a few more spins. Took longer than most songs on this album for me to get what the artists were saying, but once it did....oh yes.
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FORUM GOING CRAZY. GAH.
:neverusethis:
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Here they are OsMosis. Instead of being called sides, they are called Events (Event 1, Event 2, ect.) Also BMUBMD is a second shorter and LNF is almost a minute longer. This is the first DT album in awhile that actually has a great vinyl layout. Each one sounds like a distinct side. Tell me if they aren't loading
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smiled in my pants... That is so sexy. Thanks for posting!
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Eh, I don't really see Outcry growing on me. It's so long and monotonously mid-tempo. It's like they were trying to write TMOLS Part 2: Return of the Sluggish Epic, complete with obligatory unfitting solo section. And that's without mentioning the lyrics.
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If you do not care for TMOLS then there is no more common ground upon which we may offer constructive dialogue.
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LNF is almost a minute longer.
Could somebody explain what is different in this version? I would love to hear that but I don't have a turntable.
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LNF is almost a minute longer.
Could somebody explain what is different in this version? I would love to hear that but I don't have a turntable.
I would gather that BMUBMD is cut off and faded out sooner than on the CD version, and that LNF starts with the fade-in wind sounds and the galloping horses, giving it about a minute more in length.
-Marc.
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after about 5 concentrated listenings this music is definitely growing on me...
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Eh, I don't really see Outcry growing on me. It's so long and monotonously mid-tempo. It's like they were trying to write TMOLS Part 2: Return of the Sluggish Epic, complete with obligatory unfitting solo section. And that's without mentioning the lyrics.
Outcry is awesome. The tempo could be up a notch, but things change often enough to stop it from getting anywhere near boring, imo. Do you like DT's instrumental sections at all? Outcry uses all sorts of themes from previous songs, still manages to be unique (sort of like what BOT tried to do, but failed) and manages to tie in some great new themes and melodies.
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I love first and second verse of Outcry, they are great. Second verse reminds me of main Rambo theme ;D Anyway, I wanted to post here today, because I don't like BAI... I think that it will grow for me, bur for now it's my least favourite from ADTOE. It has really awesome parts like that great solo but overall it's weird for me... something is missing in that one. Is anybody here who shares my opinion?
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I love first and second verse of Outcry, they are great. Second verse reminds me of main Rambo theme ;D Anyway, I wanted to post here today, because I don't like BAI... I think that it will grow for me, bur for now it's my least favourite from ADTOE. It has really awesome parts like that great solo but overall it's weird for me... something is missing in that one. Is anybody here who shares my opinion?
For me, it's the choruses. I like most of the rest of the song, but the choruses don't really do much for me.
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There are some good bits in Outcry, a couple of catchy verses and an incredible performance by James. But overall something's missing. The instrumental section is unfortunately the weak point, it just doesn't move me at all.
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I don't remember any part of instrumental section from Outcry, only that one with weird jordan sound and JP's djent sounds. And bass at the end is quite memorable :)
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The small drum & bass (can you call them that?) breaks stuck in my head first listen. There's also another part, but I don't know how to describe it.
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This album is taking longer to grow on me than the two previous did, but Octavarium needed much more still.
After over a week of listening, I'm totally in love with Bridges in the Sky.
Lost not Forgotten only grew on me today, after I listened to it, and then went for an hour's walk. This shit needs some breathing space and listening to next songs immediately really doesn't do them justice.
On the Backs of Angels is aging extremely well so far, I love it a lot. I actually love all of the songs... Far from Heaven maybe least of them, though the lyrics give me chills.
I'm also one of the big fans of Build me Up, Break me Down. Atmosphere is perfect, as is buildup. The instrumental section is straight to the point, has classic Dream Theater elements (that unison!) that continue the chain of classic unisons from Blind Faith or The Ministry of Lost Souls, but still clearly distinct and innovative (the harmony swell makes me smile)
So although it's not as stuck in my head like In the Presence of Enemies was and though I'm not as craving all the day to hear a song as I did with The Count of Tuscany, this is an album that makes me a happy listener and happy fan.
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Every time I get to the end of Outcry, I think "wtf, there's only 3 songs left and 2 of them are short. How did that happen?!" The album just seems to fly by so fast every time, I guess that's a good thing :D
Absolutely. Especially the longer songs, just fly by for me. During all four of the 10min. + tracks, each time I get to the instrumental/solo section, I am amazed I am that far through the song already.
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This is going to sound completely absurd, but does anyone else have About to Crash spring to mind while listening to Lost Not Forgotten?
5:22 of Lost Not Forgotten: “Once fearless and brave...” Compare this vocal melody with 2:48 of About to Crash: “Once barely taking a break...”
They're not even all that close to each other, really, but every single time I get to that part of LNF, I think of that part of ATC.
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Love the album. Delighted. Truly feel that my once-favourite band have returned. Thanks, boys! :biggrin:
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This is going to sound completely absurd, but does anyone else have About to Crash spring to mind while listening to Lost Not Forgotten?
5:22 of Lost Not Forgotten: “Once fearless and brave...” Compare this vocal melody with 2:48 of About to Crash: “Once barely taking a break...”
They're not even all that close to each other, really, but every single time I get to that part of LNF, I think of that part of ATC.
You just hit the nail on the head there mate
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This is going to sound completely absurd, but does anyone else have About to Crash spring to mind while listening to Lost Not Forgotten?
5:22 of Lost Not Forgotten: “Once fearless and brave...” Compare this vocal melody with 2:48 of About to Crash: “Once barely taking a break...”
They're not even all that close to each other, really, but every single time I get to that part of LNF, I think of that part of ATC.
I think that every time I hear it.
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Oh, good, other people hear it. Then I feel slightly less shy about pointing out one other one that keeps jumping out at me.
8:09 of Breaking All Illusions, 7:59 of Lines in the Sand. Am I crazy? Again, they’re not actually that close (obviously the LitS part has vocals while the BAI part does not), but to me they feel similar enough in melody that every time I listen to BAI, LitS springs to my mind at that part.
And for the record, I’m not trying to point these out as flaws or complaints; I think these parts are very cool. Just seeing if anybody else hears what I mean.
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*off topic* You think Mangini learned all the old DT songs from MP's DVDs? How pissed do you think MP would be if he found out that HE actually taught his replacement all his songs? hahaha.
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This is going to sound completely absurd, but does anyone else have About to Crash spring to mind while listening to Lost Not Forgotten?
5:22 of Lost Not Forgotten: “Once fearless and brave...” Compare this vocal melody with 2:48 of About to Crash: “Once barely taking a break...”
They're not even all that close to each other, really, but every single time I get to that part of LNF, I think of that part of ATC.
Yes. I think some other song in other moments as well but can't remember ATM. :-)
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Once fearless and brave
A realm passed away
The ghosts of yesterday
I just :heart :heart :hefdaddy :hefdaddy that LNF moment!!! JP's notes and Mangini (splash I think here) hits are so perfect, just cannot done this better!!!
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the instrumental version of Bridges in the Sky makes me appreciate the chorus even more. Good stuff by JR underneath.
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and it really makes me appreciate the transition into and out of the "shaman take my hand" part
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OK, I was trying to get into Breaking All Illusions, but I just can't.... This song is 70% nothing special, only Petrucci solo and few moments from instrumental part are really great but rest of the song is...I don't know, it's like somethigs really missing, the atmosphere of the whole song is dead when instrumental part comes in, it doesn't fits. Instrumental part is great but just not goes well with the song for me. Total lack of tension for me. Sorry Guys, but it is my least favourite from ADTOE... for now.
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I've officially cut myself off form ADTOE until next week. Don't want to overdo it. I've been listening to nothing but ADTOE and the new Thrice back and forth for a couple weeks now.
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Okay, so heard the album 8 times now, and here are my thoughts:
It's a good album.
The kind of Progressive Metal that DT plays hasn't been my cup of tea for a while now, and I really don't listen to it normally, but seeing what big part DT has played in my music-life, it was just obvious to check the album out.
While I don't think it's a top20 album released in this year (out of the 65 or so that I've heard), I do think it's a pretty solid album, and DT's best album overall since 6DOIT.
Songs that stand out are Breaking All Illusions, which became a favorite on the first listen or so already. Unlike many other DT-songs released this last decade, I really think that this song flows very well, and I don't think there are any unnecessary moments.
The chorus is great, and a lot of good instrumental-sections, all in all I'd say it might be a top5 DT-song overall for me.
Apart from it, I'd say that Beneath the Surface was a very pleasant surprise, I haven't cared for DT's ballads lately, songs like Forsaken and Wither are very 'meh' for me, but this song manages to do something that the others haven't, and I really enjoyed a shorter closer, given DT's history of "OMG have to end the album with a long song".
I don't think the album has any weak songs, and I do enjoy bits and parts in almost all of the songs.
Apart from On the Backs of Angels, Breaking All Illusions and Beneath the Surface, I don't really care in particular for any of the other songs, I enjoy them when I listen to the album, but they haven't gotten a specific 'status' or anything yet.
I enjoy them on the album, and that's about it.
I do appreciate that the band has decreased the amount of wankery, because that was one of my major problems with DT's more modern sound, and one of the reasons I lost interest in this kind of Prog Metal.
DT had become linked with "playing fast and showing technical skill" for me, but I'm really glad with songs like "Breaking All Illusions", where I feel that it's a genuinely good song, nothing over the top or "has to be there because it's fast".
As a whole, I'd give this album a 7/10 or something, at least ranked against DT's other albums.
I would probably rank it as their 4th or 5th best album, after Awake, 6DOIT and SFAM.
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Listening to the album again for probably the 50th time or so.
Anyone else notice a "cough" sound on OTBOA at around 46-47 seconds?
Or is it just me?
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am I too late with the Circus Maximus using the same unicyclist image thing and people have already sussed that out over here? I just encountered it and had a chuckle
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am I too late with the Circus Maximus using the same unicyclist image thing and people have already sussed that out over here? I just encountered it and had a chuckle
Yes.
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suspected as much
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OK, I was trying to get into Breaking All Illusions, but I just can't.... This song is 70% nothing special, only Petrucci solo and few moments from instrumental part are really great but rest of the song is...I don't know, it's like somethigs really missing, the atmosphere of the whole song is dead when instrumental part comes in, it doesn't fits. Instrumental part is great but just not goes well with the song for me. Total lack of tension for me. Sorry Guys, but it is my least favourite from ADTOE... for now.
You are a crazy person.
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Just got through my first official listen. Its a fantastic album.
On The Backs of Angels, great opener and a real sample of what is coming.
Build Me Up, Break Me Down, a good rocking song and love the orchestra hits.
Lost Not Forgotten, don't know why this is getting the slack, but its great John Myung has amazing Bass lines in this one and is the one song I've had the chorus stuck in my head.
This Is The Life, a wonderful balladesque song about living life/ living your dream while you meet others who choose to either live gracefully or are caught up in the maze driven by love and crushed by hate.
Bridges In The Sky, the riffs here are heavy as heavy can get. Some parts remind me of Slipknot/Machine Head, JLB slams on this song going from Aggressive to soaringly calm.
Outcry, have to listen to this one more although it is great. Love the way it reminds me of a wave building then descending. Wouls work great as a set closer.
Far From Heaven, Beautiful, heatfelt lyrics by JLB. Reminds of vacant and disappeared.
Breaking All Illusions, this reminds me of Voices more than it does Learning to Live especially when it gets to "Emerald thought flow..." also the melodies remind of Blind Faith in the first verses. Can work as the concert closer with the epic Lion King/ Disney end.
Beneath The Surface, real Silent Man with keyboards. Love everything about this song and ends the album on a nice calm level where you can breathe before taking the headphones off
This Is The Life
Far From Heaven
Lost Not Forgotten
Bridges In The Sky
Beneath The Surface
Breaking All Illusions
Build Me Up Break Me Down
Outcry
On The Backs of Angels
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Everyone, Lost Not Forgotten is such an amazing song. :metal
It's second place behind Breaking All Illusions. The rest of the songs are a tier down.
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I've officially cut myself off form ADTOE until next week. Don't want to overdo it. I've been listening to nothing but ADTOE and the new Thrice back and forth for a couple weeks now.
Lol me too. I think I've been listening to way too much ADTOE. My Opeth CD should have been in the mail 3 days ago but it seems like it got lost. I'm so mad about that.
Oh yeah about Thrice. Is the new record good? I only have the Artist in The Ambulance because that's the only stuff I like from them. But I'll be open minded and try their new CD if it's good.
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Ok, so after multiple listens, this is how she stands...
Breaking All Illusions
Bridges in the Sky
This is the Life
Lost Not Forgotten
Beneath the Surface
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Outcry
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
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So I'm on my second listen now, I'm actually really loving this. :caffeine:
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Anyone here from Australia? Specifically in Melbourne? I have a friend there who can't find the new album.. :'( Please help...
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This is going to sound completely absurd, but does anyone else have About to Crash spring to mind while listening to Lost Not Forgotten?
5:22 of Lost Not Forgotten: “Once fearless and brave...” Compare this vocal melody with 2:48 of About to Crash: “Once barely taking a break...”
They're not even all that close to each other, really, but every single time I get to that part of LNF, I think of that part of ATC.
You just hit the nail on the head there mate
Yes, that part gave me a strong About To Crash vibe, and I liked it.
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I think the only track I don't love is Lost Not Forgotten. It's still better than half of SC and BC&SL. BMUBMD is also getting less plays from me. Really, if they had just cut those two and kept the rest, the album would have been more concise and perfect. WOuld probably be #2 or 3 in my ranking.
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I think the only track I don't love is Lost Not Forgotten. It's still better than half of SC and BC&SL. BMUBMD is also getting less plays from me. Really, if they had just cut those two and kept the rest, the album would have been more concise and perfect. WOuld probably be #2 or 3 in my ranking.
I seem to be in the tiny minority that loves that song. I'd put it on the same tier as BAI if not better.
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I don't think either of those songs are bad. More like B-sides to me. I like albums that aren't too long besides the really progtastic ones (The Whirlwind, for example).
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I love Build Me Up, Break me Down. Actually, it's one of the tunes I'm looking forward the most to listen live.
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Anyone here from Australia? Specifically in Melbourne? I have a friend there who can't find the new album.. :'( Please help...
Do you have JB-Hifi in Melbourne? I don't know what I'd do for DT related stuff (and anything else I like) without them. :|
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I'm really looking forward to seeing BITS live for the first time and also MM's drum solo. Just bring on Sunday already!
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Oh yeah about Thrice. Is the new record good?
The new Thrice album is fantastic, it's my favorite of 2011 so far. Very different from TAITA though. I'm sure you can find some samples to check out online.
Back on topic, I couldn't wait through the weekend to listen to ADTOE. I gave in and listened to the last few tracks on Sunday. The only real complaint that I have is that the three weakest tracks (IMO) are right in a row (BMUBMD, LNF, TITL). I like each of those songs, but not as much as the rest.
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Anyone here from Australia? Specifically in Melbourne? I have a friend there who can't find the new album.. :'( Please help...
Do you have JB-Hifi in Melbourne? I don't know what I'd do for DT related stuff (and anything else I like) without them. :|
Thanks, I'll ask my friend if he can find it.
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I listened again, this album goes by fast. I just barely sunk in Bridges but then BAI was playing.
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still spinning this a lot, probably ready to give some actual feedback
OTBoA - surprisingly hasn't gotten old yet, considering this was the only song I heard before the album came out. Solid song for sure.
BMUBMD - I haven't liked this one since the third or fourth time I heard it. Sounds too much like the stuff I hated on SC.
LNF - Loved this one at first, but it grew old really fast. Not a bad song but not really amazing.
TiTL - Still love this, probably my favorite of the ballads.
BitS - Opposite of LNF - wasn't as hot on this one at first but with more and more listens it's gotten better and better.
Outcry - This song STILL hasn't sunk in... I'm not a huge fan of the first half's vocal sections, but everything past once the instrumental starts is awesome.
FFH - Nice little song but, like WFS, it's not really a standout in any way whatsoever.
BAI - Definitely their best song since Octavarium, and their best song under 15 minutes since TGP, maybe even superior to that one. Love this song to bits, definitely my favorite off the album.
BtS - Like this one a lot, not as much as TiTL but it's still wonderful.
BAI
BitS
Outcry
OTBOA
TiTL
BtS
LNF
FFH
BMUBMD
screw typing out full song names
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
MP really didn't use them much.
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He used them mainly in fills. Live he used them quite a bit.
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
Well, he can't since he is no longer in the band.
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
He could of if he could play them as fast as MM. When JP said they sounded like machine guns he wasn't kidding. The roll in BITS is astounding.
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
Well, he can't since he is no longer in the band.
What???!!! :omg:
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
Well, he can't since he is no longer in the band.
What???!!! :omg:
You've got to be trolling, it's been over a year.
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Yes of course I'm just kidding. I was just discussing a few posts above about Mangini
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What???!!! :omg:
You've got to be trolling, it's been over a year.
:clap:
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Been a while now, I've probably got about 30 to 35 spins of this album under my belt. A few times with my Audio Technica noise canceling headphones.
This album is probably going to rank #3 on my list of Dream Theater's catalog, with Images & Words and Scenes From a Memory being 1 and 2. I just did not believe that Dream Theater still had an album like this in them.
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I have listen to this at least 40 times since i got it and i am going to see them In OCT in Boston and i would be so friggin happy if they just played the whole album I just keeps getting better and better , one thing I noticed today while listing to OTBOA I think this one was one that was just ok with me for a while but now I really like it more , anyway i think i will be going crazy every song they play that night , this will be my 8th time seeing them and have never been more excited to see em!!
NOw to just hook up with better seats then i got :facepalm:
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This album is probably going to rank #3 on my list of Dream Theater's catalog, with Images & Words and Scenes From a Memory being 1 and 2.
Same here...
i am going to see them In OCT in Boston and i would be so friggin happy if they just played the whole album
... and here!
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This album is probably going to rank #3 on my list of Dream Theater's catalog, with Images & Words and Scenes From a Memory being 1 and 2.
Same here...
i am going to see them In OCT in Boston and i would be so friggin happy if they just played the whole album
... and here!
Any talks of members here meeting up before the show?
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I have listen to this at least 40 times since i got it and i am going to see them In OCT in Boston and i would be so friggin happy if they just played the whole album I just keeps getting better and better , one thing I noticed today while listing to OTBOA I think this one was one that was just ok with me for a while but now I really like it more , anyway i think i will be going crazy every song they play that night , this will be my 8th time seeing them and have never been more excited to see em!!
NOw to just hook up with better seats then i got :facepalm:
I think most of us just really overplayed OTBOA. Now that the play time of everything else on the album has caught up, OTBOA is regaining it's proper stature.
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I'd rank it 7th I guess. I really like it, but everytime I play a random old song that hits me way harder. I put on 'The Root of All Evil' and shit starts rockin'. 'These Walls' or 'Sacrificed Sons'. Three random tracks from Octavarium and the sound is just way more.. beautiful. Better melodies. I'm really not sold on ADTOE's melodies or musical themes. Let alone that they're better than the 'classic' DT albums.
Dont' get me wrong, ADTOE is fine. But I don't think it's the grand return to form.
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Hey guys my CD/DVD still isn't here :neverusethis:
But anyway, it has sunk in fully and I feel that it has tied with SFAM in my first place.
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Am I the only one who enjoys the music without comparing it?
ADTOE is an EPIC album, especially the "Breaking all illusions". Personal review of the album coming soon.
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I have listen to this at least 40 times since i got it and i am going to see them In OCT in Boston and i would be so friggin happy if they just played the whole album I just keeps getting better and better , one thing I noticed today while listing to OTBOA I think this one was one that was just ok with me for a while but now I really like it more , anyway i think i will be going crazy every song they play that night , this will be my 8th time seeing them and have never been more excited to see em!!
NOw to just hook up with better seats then i got :facepalm:
Keep checking Ticket Master, daily, the last few days leading up to the show. Most likely they will release the unsold Meet and Greet tickets and you can pick one up in the first 5 rows. Last tour I got 3rd row the morning of the show. :corn
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I can't be bothered digging through threads, but here is good enough.
Here's a decent quality version of the live cartoon intro-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqgiCJLuDGE
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Not bad. He misses the very beginning, and has a tendency to let the camera wander, which is frustrating. But overall, not a bad video. And the sound is also pretty impressive. Man, I can't wait for a video release from this tour! Heck, I might even try to see them again if they come back through here on another leg.
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Not bad. He misses the very beginning, and has a tendency to let the camera wander, which is frustrating. But overall, not a bad video. And the sound is also pretty impressive. Man, I can't wait for a video release from this tour! Heck, I might even try to see them again if they come back through here on another leg.
This
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I think he's planning to make an epic Minecraft creation related to ADTOE. But I don't see it besides the obvious bridge in the sky.
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
MP really didn't use them much.
He really used them just to make his fills sound larger.
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The octobans on this album are excellent. I wish MP used them in the music like this
MP really didn't use them much.
I actually think he over-used them on SC. Every fill it seems like.
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This month's (or maybe last month for you guys in the US) edition of Total Guitar has JP giving a track by track breakdown of all the songs in ADTOE. The interesting thing for me in it was how he described FFH as part 1 of BAI due to the sharing of musical themes - I know this has already been talked about but it was good to see him confirm it - the interview's not on the web though.
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My CD is still not in. I will grab the nearest tree and give the nearest douchebag a good hard smack with said tree.
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Just recieved the box set. Loving it. To pieces.
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The CD was delivered to my house while I was on vacation for 8 days last week. No idea when it actually got there, just glad it finally did. If you haven't received it yet, I would seriously call about it.
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So I just recently gave this album a fair listen. I got kind of burnt out on DT after BCSL, and had low expectations after the MP split. I gave Backs of Angels a listen when it was streaming, but wasn't impressed. I thought it sounded like it could easily have come from the Systematic Chaos or BCSL sessions, so I wrote it off. However, I actually listened to the whole thing the other day, and I was pleasantly surprised. It still doesn't sound like they're exploring any new territory, but is definitely a step up in consistency. I've actually got high(er) hopes for the next one now.