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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: ZeppelinDT on September 06, 2011, 06:10:23 PM
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"... because if you want to listen to the music, you can just play the album"
A friend of mine said that to me this weekend. Those were his exact words. I don't know if I can be his friend anymore.
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Depends on the band. Some play about as good or not as great as the albums but some bands are a god damn experience.
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Yeah doesn't he realize it's better when you watch it on dvd? :neverusethis:
In all seriousness though I'm gonna guess he has never been to one.
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If that was my friend, I would never speak to them again.
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You see your avatar? That's what you need to do to your friend.
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(https://i.imgur.com/OT4QV.gif)
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Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
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I hate the fact that most of my IRL friends aren't concert goers.
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kill him
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My brother isn't that big a fan of concerts, sure he's seen Porcupine Tree a few times and Muse, etc. but he's never that bothered, and always declines to see Opeth in london with me despite them being his favourite band.
When he gets back i'm going to ask him why specifically though.
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Haha, i guess it does sort of depend on the band. Still a crazy thing to say though.
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Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
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That statement is just dead wrong. I went to a concert this weekend for my favorite band. It was my third time seeing them, and they finally played my favorite song, which also happens to be my favorite song of all time. The way I felt when he hit the first chord was something I have never felt by just listening to the song. It was, as Zander said, an "almost euphoric" feeling. You can't get that by just listening to an album.
Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
Also this.
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Maybe they don't see the reason in paying a fuckload just to see a concert.
But, I would've asked him why he thinks that. Just to see his response.
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Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
But seriously. I've only been to a few concerts--only one of them being a true rock concert, the others being obscure indie bands--and I know this is wrong. I went to a venue that had roughly 170 people attending, a tiny stage, and no fancy shit, and it was one of the most amazing things I've ever experienced. Mad concert fever afterwards.
It's plain and simple: through a CD, you receive the musicians' energy indirectly. At a concert, you get the full blast.
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"... because if you want to listen to the music, you can just play the album"
A friend of mine said that to me this weekend. Those were his exact words. I don't know if I can be his friend anymore.
What friend?
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Perhaps he hasn't had an emotional connection in a live setting? It's all about the experience you have with the other audience members and the band themselves.
Also... don't artists make most of their money off ticket sales?
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"... because if you want to listen to the music, you can just play the album"
A friend of mine said that to me this weekend. Those were his exact words. I don't know if I can be his friend anymore.
"Cinemas are such a waste of money, because if you want to watch the movie you can just wait and see it on TV."
Has he ever even been to a concert? If he thinks it's just about hearing the songs the exact same way, he doesn't even know what he's missing out on.
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I do believe it depends on the band. Also in a combination of being on the verge of my own complete economic dependence and my current favorite band being the Beatles, I'll probably stay away from concerts for a while.
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Is your friend a rock/metal fan? In other forms of music maybe it's not essential. If he is a rock fan he certainly hasn't seen the bands I have. It's like being a Christian and not going to Church (Disclaimer- other religions are available).
I had to go to see DT on their recent tour. I just couldn't stay away- even though it really put me out having to travel. It just had to be done.
Take your friend to see KISS. Every rock fan should see KISS at least once, it's the equivilent to the journey to Mecca for Muslims. If that doesn't change his mind there is no hope.
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I hate the fact that most of my IRL friends aren't concert goers.
Same here, I never have anyone to go to concerts with (for example, Opeth comes to my city in November and I will probably end up going alone unless I can convince my wife they won't be growling in more than a couple of songs).
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Luckily, I have a few friends that go to concerts - most don't though.
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My non-concert loving friends have recently been converted by seeing Muse at Reading.
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Muse is a very good way to convert people.
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Sounds like we got some more test subjects for The Sun Cannon.
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Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
But seriously. I've only been to a few concerts--only one of them being a true rock concert, the others being obscure indie bands--and I know this is wrong. I went to a venue that had roughly 170 people attending, a tiny stage, and no fancy shit, and it was one of the most amazing things I've ever experienced. Mad concert fever afterwards.
Small shows are the best! The energy is unreal.
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Yessss they are.
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"Cinemas are such a waste of money, because if you want to watch the movie you can just wait and see it on TV."
I think there is some legitimacy to this. I rarely go to the movies anymore, unless it a big budget, big explosions kind of action movie that benefits from the big screen experience. And when the day comes that I get my mancave up and running with its big-ass TV and surround-sound setup, there will be no reason to actually go to the movies unless I simply can't wait for the bluray to be released. Between the money spent the ticket and snacks, I will end up spending less on the bluray as a new release, see the same movie (with more in terms of extras) and watch the film as much as I want. I don't think going to a theater enhances the experience of seeing a movie.
Concerts, however, are a unique musical experience and are not a waste of money at all...
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The benefits of concerts is the Live Experience. With a full band, going to rap shows I agree with the OP statement. But others such as Mayhem, and festivals are where its really at.
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"Cinemas are such a waste of money, because if you want to watch the movie you can just wait and see it on TV."
I think there is some legitimacy to this. I rarely go to the movies anymore, unless it a big budget, big explosions kind of action movie that benefits from the big screen experience. And when the day comes that I get my mancave up and running with its big-ass TV and surround-sound setup, there will be no reason to actually go to the movies unless I simply can't wait for the bluray to be released. Between the money spent the ticket and snacks, I will end up spending less on the bluray as a new release, see the same movie (with more in terms of extras) and watch the film as much as I want. I don't think going to a theater enhances the experience of seeing a movie.
Concerts, however, are a unique musical experience and are not a waste of money at all...
I think sports make a much better analogy than music. (e.g., "Going to a football game is a waste of money when you could just watch the game on TV").
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I would say your all wrong. There is a big difference to going to a football game or watching it on TV. There is so much more you can take in at a game even before TV recognizes it and you don't see all the little nuances that happens at a game.
The same can be said for concert going. You see the interaction of the band where you don't get that listening to a disk. There is so much more I could say about this subject.
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I've been mostly done with going to pro hockey games for years now (You can probably count on two hands the times I've gone to other sports or otherwise. (disclaimer - I'm not a sports guy)) I can go to a Princeton hockey game for $10 and enjoy the experience a lot more than if I went to a Devils game and paid $35 to $40 for the cheap seats. (I only go to Devils games now when they discount the tickets)
But I think concerts are the more unique experience for me anyway, but I'm done with artificially inflated ticket and memorabilia prices. Most concerts are a waste of money when Ticketbastard and Jive Nation are involved. The ticket price to non-Ticketbastard and Jive Nation shows is usually cheaper too.
Example: Look at the Dream Theater Beacon show and compare it with Albany, Morristown, and Philly.
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I've been mostly done with going to pro hockey games for years now (You can probably count on two hands the times I've gone to other sports or otherwise. (disclaimer - I'm not a sports guy)) I can go to a Princeton hockey game for $10 and enjoy the experience a lot more than if I went to a Devils game and paid $35 to $40 for the cheap seats. (I only go to Devils games now when they discount the tickets)
But I think concerts are the more unique experience for me anyway, but I'm done with artificially inflated ticket and memorabilia prices. Most concerts are a waste of money when Ticketbastard and Jive Nation are involved. The ticket price to non-Ticketbastard and Jive Nation shows is usually cheaper too.
Example: Look at the Dream Theater Beacon show and compare it with Albany, Morristown, and Philly.
I agree....launchpad shows here are usually $5 (for lesser known bands) to $20 (for known bands), The Sunshine Theater charges $10 (for lesser known) to $45 (for known) but it depends on the band that is playing
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I would say your all wrong. There is a big difference to going to a football game or watching it on TV. There is so much more you can take in at a game even before TV recognizes it and you don't see all the little nuances that happens at a game.
The same can be said for concert going. You see the interaction of the band where you don't get that listening to a disk. There is so much more I could say about this subject.
That was exactly my point... :)
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If the guy listens mostly to rap, I would say he is correct. I like the occasional (German) rap artists, but it just doesn't translate live. Same thing with something like Black Eyed Peas. Might as well spend the money on a dance club.
rumborak
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I did not get a chance to read through the entire thread because I am in a rush but I will say that I have never once thought for a second that concerts are a waste of money. I absolutely love the feeling you get in your chest while you watch a band live!
BC
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I am happy to spend one third of my salary on concerts.... it's an addiction... nothing compares to that feeling....
I've seen around 20 gigs this year... most of them alone....
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I've never been to a concert alone - I need a ride! :biggrin:
I can understand people thinking concerts are a rip off in Australia, because they kind of are. We're such an isolated and worthless spot to tour, that the ticket prices are insane. I'll be seeing Motley Crue this month, and that cost me $175 for a seated ticket, not on the floor (although it's still pretty close, as it's a great venue).
You Americans have it good for prices.
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I know a few people who just aren't into going to shows, which is fine if that's what they want to do.
I'm the opposite, if there is a band that I'm even remotely interested in I'll go see them and my friends can tag along if they wish however if I'm alone I have no problem meeting and talking to people seeing as you already have something to talk about.
I'm with ytse on pro hockey, I'm not really a sports guy but I bought season tickets for the tampa bay lightening because live hockey is crazy fun to watch.
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I can understand people thinking concerts are a rip off in Australia, because they kind of are. We're such an isolated and worthless spot to tour, that the ticket prices are insane. I'll be seeing Motley Crue this month, and that cost me $175 for a seated ticket, not on the floor (although it's still pretty close, as it's a great venue).
You Americans have it good for prices.
I thought that gigs in London are expensive...... I mean... $175? :omg:
I've never been to a concert alone - I need a ride! :biggrin:
fair enough :laugh:
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I can understand people thinking concerts are a rip off in Australia, because they kind of are. We're such an isolated and worthless spot to tour, that the ticket prices are insane. I'll be seeing Motley Crue this month, and that cost me $175 for a seated ticket, not on the floor (although it's still pretty close, as it's a great venue).
You Americans have it good for prices.
I thought that gigs in London are expensive...... I mean... $175? :omg:
It depends on the band. Iron Maiden were around the same price. DT cost $120 for general admission (although I didn't pay anyway), but Opeth were only $67, which is as cheap as any concert for a decent band gets here. The cost depends on how big the band is obviously, but I'd say $120 is the average here.
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"... because if you want to listen to the music, you can just play the album"
A friend of mine said that to me this weekend. Those were his exact words. I don't know if I can be his friend anymore.
And how hard did you beat his ass after uttering those words?
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I remember a substitute teacher I had one day in 7th grade who said this. I don't know how we got on the subject, but she said pretty much verbatim what Zepp said in the OP. Of course, even as 7th graders, we all knew how retarded this was and tried to argue with her. But she wasn't hearing it.
She was a stuck-up old crabby bitch that none of the students liked. Maybe the enjoyment of a concert or two would have done her some good. I dunno.
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I can understand people thinking concerts are a rip off in Australia, because they kind of are. We're such an isolated and worthless spot to tour, that the ticket prices are insane. I'll be seeing Motley Crue this month, and that cost me $175 for a seated ticket, not on the floor (although it's still pretty close, as it's a great venue).
You Americans have it good for prices.
I thought that gigs in London are expensive...... I mean... $175? :omg:
It depends on the band. Iron Maiden were around the same price. DT cost $120 for general admission (although I didn't pay anyway), but Opeth were only $67, which is as cheap as any concert for a decent band gets here. The cost depends on how big the band is obviously, but I'd say $120 is the average here.
That is absolutely insane.
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I can understand people thinking concerts are a rip off in Australia, because they kind of are. We're such an isolated and worthless spot to tour, that the ticket prices are insane. I'll be seeing Motley Crue this month, and that cost me $175 for a seated ticket, not on the floor (although it's still pretty close, as it's a great venue).
You Americans have it good for prices.
I thought that gigs in London are expensive...... I mean... $175? :omg:
It depends on the band. Iron Maiden were around the same price. DT cost $120 for general admission (although I didn't pay anyway), but Opeth were only $67, which is as cheap as any concert for a decent band gets here. The cost depends on how big the band is obviously, but I'd say $120 is the average here.
I see....
From a business point of view... it should also have something to do with costs... Most of the bands are based in the US anyway... For Australia cost factor kicks in.... travelling, accommodation, food costs add too much...
Once I was mediating between the German music production company and Turkish venue owners/organisers for Pain of Salvation concert.... There were two options on the table... by bus and by plane.... There was an unbelivable gap between the two...
Anyway.... I've always wanted to move to Australia one day.... gig prices obviously won't help :-\
"... because if you want to listen to the music, you can just play the album"
A friend of mine said that to me this weekend. Those were his exact words. I don't know if I can be his friend anymore.
And how hard did you beat his ass after uttering those words?
whenever I hear such silly words, that's what I feel like doing :D
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I see....
From a business point of view... it should also have something to do with costs... Most of the bands are based in the US anyway... For Australia cost factor kicks in.... travelling, accommodation, food costs add too much...
Once I was mediating between the German music production company and Turkish venue owners/organisers for Pain of Salvation concert.... There were two options on the table... by bus and by plane.... There was an unbelivable gap between the two...
Anyway.... I've always wanted to move to Australia one day.... gig prices obviously won't help :-\
The problem is, you can't tour across the entire country here like you can in places like the US. You play the 6 or so major cities in the country, and that's it, there's literally nowhere inbetween to play.
We're a country the size of USA, and yet you can only play a handful of total shows. A lot of travel, a lot of cost, not a lot of profit. Gig prices aren't the biggest problem though. The problem is bands coming here at all. I can't blame bands for not coming here. :lol
So when people here say concerts are a waste of money, I can't blame them. Just glad I have the money to "waste" on it.
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I can understand that line of thinking to an extent, to be honest. The price of a concert isn't just the price of a ticket, there's also transport (public for me), possibly accommodation, on-site food/beer, merch. That gets expensive, especially if you're dirt poor. I make an effort to see my absolute favourite bands, but otherwise, I'd have to be persuaded to fork out for a concert.
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The problem is, you can't tour across the entire country here like you can in places like the US. You play the 6 or so major cities in the country, and that's it, there's literally nowhere inbetween to play.
That's another issue... definitely...
So when people here say concerts are a waste of money, I can't blame them. Just glad I have the money to "waste" on it.
I'm with you on this... It wouldn't be an exaggeration if I say I want (extra) money only for this...
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I can understand that line of thinking to an extent, to be honest. The price of a concert isn't just the price of a ticket, there's also transport (public for me), possibly accommodation, on-site food/beer, merch. That gets expensive, especially if you're dirt poor. I make an effort to see my absolute favourite bands, but otherwise, I'd have to be persuaded to fork out for a concert.
I can definitely relate to this when I was younger and I just didn't have the money to see anyone or I could only afford to just see the show.
Luckily I got a pretty sweet job so I some additional money to spend on concerts, I make a whole night out of it dinner, drinks at the show, show tickets, that sort of thing, people go to movies, I go to concerts.
However I've never spent the amount of money that blob is talking about in Australia (well I have but it was only for Score, Roger Waters, and U2), most shows I see are $25 or under.
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Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
But seriously. I've only been to a few concerts--only one of them being a true rock concert, the others being obscure indie bands--and I know this is wrong. I went to a venue that had roughly 170 people attending, a tiny stage, and no fancy shit, and it was one of the most amazing things I've ever experienced. Mad concert fever afterwards.
Small shows are the best! The energy is unreal.
I wanna do this so badly.
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Go to a small show? You should have seen The Dear Hunter on their headlining tour this summer!
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Just to clarify, his general point wasn't really "concerts are too expensive"... it was more along the lines of "spending ANY money on a concert when you could just listen to the album is stupid"
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Go to a small show? You should have seen The Dear Hunter on their headlining tour this summer!
Small shows are the best, they have a great intimate feel you just get swept up into the music.
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Zepp, you need to take this guy to a festival or amazing concert. Also, what does he mainly listen to? If that's what he meant then all these I need to know to make an analysis of wheter or not he's wack or whatever.
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To the original post -- simply not true at all.
Albums are awesome. But music comes alive when performed well. Sure, not every band enhances their album live, but many do. The changes in tempo due to excitement, the dramatic element of human hands re-creating the music with an audience, it's totally different than listening to an album
I thought once I got my nice surround system and huge TV with a blu-ray, that I might not care much about seeing some shows live. It still doesn't compare. Not in the slightest.
LIVE truly means LIVE (usually), and that energy cannot be duplicated.
Imagine how many less fans PHISH would have if they just put out studio albums, or most bands for that matter. Metallica likely would have died out long before they dialed back the thrash with the Black album had it not been for the element of playing live.
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Zepp, you need to take this guy to a festival or amazing concert. Also, what does he mainly listen to? If that's what he meant then all these I need to know to make an analysis of wheter or not he's wack or whatever.
He actually went to Bonnaroo 2 years ago, mostly because I convinced him and 2 other friends. I ended up getting sick and missing the whole thing, but the three of them still went. He apparently didn't have a very good time (although the other two loved it).
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Haha...Its cause you weren't there. Nah, that's cool.
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He's also been to Warped Tour a few times. He used to be a punk/ska sorta guy, although lately I don't know that he really listens to everything. Probably just whatever his girlfriend tells him to like.
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poor guy.... such a wasted life....
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Take him to a Gwar concert, front row.
This... I know from experience.