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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: porksoda on April 29, 2009, 04:07:45 PM
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ITT we discuss all things Symphony X. Love them! Listening to Twilight in Olympus on spotify for the first time. This sounds interesting, as all other Sym X albums are!
Are they doing anything now? I don't wanna wait until 2012 for a new album :P
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Oh pork i was gonna ask if you were gonna do a Twilight In Olympus Survivor.
But I love this band. Rumor has it they're gathering material for a live dvd :letam: :2metal: :metal
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No doubt that Symphony X makes it on my top ten bands. I could comment about them for quite a while. :)
Michael Romeo's guitar work is just absurdly awesome. My jaw drops when I try to learn his work. Paradise Lost was such an amazing album. I truly believe the wait was very well worth it! The guitar tone on the album or eargasmic. /drool
I learned The Walls Of Babylon all the way through recently, minus the guitar solo. Once I mastered the song, it was so fun to just slide all over the guitar neck smoothly. The riffs flow together so nicely. I love that track. After learning it, for some reason the structure and order of the riffs slightly reminds me of the title track from Painkiller.
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Twilight In Olympus was the first SX album I ever heard and they blew me away. TDWOT, V, The Odyssey and PL are all ranging from good to amazing but nothing quite touches the diversity and songwriting on TIO. Also, for me at least it is the album that is least cheesy.
The debut album gets overlooked easily by a lot of fans but if you manage to get over the poor production you will hear the best material they did until TDWOD came out. The vocals are really creative and powerful in his own way.
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Twilight in Olympus is better than Paradise Lost imo.
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Oh and I think there's going to be a little bit of a wait because Russell Allen just had a baby girl in the fall.
I respect his decision to be a father first, and band leader second.
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I love these guys, man! Saw them a year ago at a night club and it reminded me of the movie "Rockstar" because Russell Allen's parents were standing about 10 Ft away from us in the pit as he introduced them. I thought that was really cool. It was a memorable night.
:metal
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Really? That's awesome for him! This is probably good for us too because it will bring a new inspiration to him and will give some time for Romeo to work on the new album which could bring us something more diverse than PL (which was awesome but almost the whole album is just pounding metal with no rest at all).
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Great band! Lately I've been listening a lot to The Odyssey (the whole album) and it is just so good.
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Twilight in Olypus is their most under-rated album (next to Damnation Game). Even though Rullo wasn't present, the drums are still great and Romeo is as present as ever. It's just a really well balanced kick ass album
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I am too an old school SX fan, I remember when you could only get their CD's as Japanese imports.
Divine Wings is my fave, but I like all up to the V album.
After that they lost some of their uniqueness for me, I prefer the more melodic and proggy sound
than the heavier thrusts of the last two albums.
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Just wanted to say that Damnation Game is a damn (pun intended) good album. Some seriously kickass songs.
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Just wanted to say that Damnation Game is a damn (pun intended) good album. Some seriously kickass songs.
I can't tell you how many times I've said this... but this is my favorite album. Yet a lot of people either don't have it or don't like the sound. It's Russell Allen before he got angry at everything.
Thomas Miller is one of the greatest bassists EVAR
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Oh pork i was gonna ask if you were gonna do a Twilight In Olympus Survivor.
But I love this band. Rumor has it they're gathering material for a live dvd :letam: :2metal: :metal
Heh, sorry. I'm a broke student so I haven't bought it!
Their livealbum sounds incredible. Russell is flawless, never missing a note (granted I haven't heard all of it yet. Shut up :D)
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I've always thought the official live album was terrible sounding.
Almost sub-par bootleg quality.
Yes there are better sounding bootlegs around :metal
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Is there an official SX live album out there? We learn something new everyday lol.
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Is there an official SX live album out there? We learn something new everyday lol.
Yep, it's called Live On the Edge of Forever, and the quality is really crappy for an official release. They play all of V: The New Mythology Suite plus a lot of other awesome songs (Of Sins and Shadows, Smoke and Mirrors, The Divine Wings of Tragedy etc.)
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They play The Divine Wings of Tragedy in there?! Holy crap, I must definitely listen to that.
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I've got a pretty sweet boot from the TIO tour.
And Russell Allen never misses a note. Ever
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Symphony X is definitely one of my favourite bands, but I can't help but yearn for more from them. In some respects, they're almost a one-dimensional band, but when you listen to songs like Through the Looking Glass you realize that they have boundless potential that gets lost in their borderline death-prog songs.
But aside from that, Symphony X = :tup
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Twilight in Olympus is definitely good. It was worth it not having a 20+min epic so that V The New Mythology Suite could happen, because that is such a strong album. Smoke and Mirrors has the best intro and the best guitar/keyboard tradeoff ever!
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Is there an official SX live album out there? We learn something new everyday lol.
They play all of V: The New Mythology Suite
No, they don't. They play from Prelude to Egypt.
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Figured I'd resurrect this thread by saying I am listening to "Awakenings".
Soo epic. :metal
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Smoke & Mirrors is one of the best songs ever written.
The end
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They can make some very good emotional songs:
- Paradise Lost
- The Accolade II
and last,but not least, my fav evah from them:
- Candlelight Fantasia
Their heavy music is good too, but I got bowred of it. Now I need a pause.
And moreover, I think this band is really increasing. They always offer better and better stuff, and that's good for further albums!
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Symphony X are fucking incredible.
Paradise Lost is the best album of 2007.
I can't wait to hear more from these guys.
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I have but four words for this thread
TRIIIIIIIIUUUUUMPHAAAANT CHAMPION OF ITHHHAAACAAAAAA
That is all. *sagenod*
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I have but four words for this thread
TRIIIIIIIIUUUUUMPHAAAANT CHAMPION OF ITHHHAAACAAAAAA
That is all. *sagenod*
Ah yes. Possibly the most spinechill-inducing thing I've heard.
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Paradise Lost is the only album I've ever really listened to in full, but I'm getting kinda tired of it. I have all of their albums back til TDWOT, so I'll probably start exploring all those a bit more than I have in a while. A Fool's Paradise came up on shuffle the other day, and I really liked it, so...
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They can make some very good emotional songs:
- Paradise Lost
- The Accolade II
and last,but not least, my fav evah from them:
- Candlelight Fantasia
Their heavy music is good too, but I got bowred of it. Now I need a pause.
And moreover, I think this band is really increasing. They always offer better and better stuff, and that's good for further albums!
Try A Winter's Dream
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Russell Allen is an absolute beast of a man, and he kills live to. They have a couple of fantastic songs (Odyssey and some of the PL tracks), but other than that they don't interest me much
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Russell Allen is indeed a beast of a man.
When I met them, I laughed inside at the difference between him and Rullo. RA is a massive being, and Rullo is miniscule in comparison
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Russell Allen is indeed a beast of a man.
When I met them, I laughed inside at the difference between him and Rullo. RA is a massive being, and Rullo is miniscule in comparison
epic name drop
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Symphony X was my favorite band for about three years when I was 17 up until 20.
I just... grew out of them I guess. Saw them live many times, always delivered. They're still great, but not exactly my cup of tea anymore. It remains a Metalband, while my tastes have evolved in all kinds of directions, finding much more interesting bands in the process.
I still give V - The New Mythology Suite and The Odyssey a spin once in a while, great albums for the genre. I cannot STAND Paradise Lost though.
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Symphony X are one of my favorite bands. I don't understand the shit they get about being so cheesy when there are so many more cheesier bands out there. SX pull off their fantasy lyrics really well, and in my opinion they don't sound cheesy at all. Who cares if they have a song about Medusa? It's an awesome rockin' song.
My favorite album of theirs is V: The New Mythology Suite, and I'm in the minority that actually liked Paradise Lost. It's one badass album, and although I like Russell's clean vocals more, he pulls off tasteful harsh vocals that don't completely suck... Like most harsh vocals do.
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They can make some very good emotional songs:
- Paradise Lost
- The Accolade II
and last,but not least, my fav evah from them:
- Candlelight Fantasia
Their heavy music is good too, but I got bowred of it. Now I need a pause.
And moreover, I think this band is really increasing. They always offer better and better stuff, and that's good for further albums!
Try A Winter's Dream
I don't know too much this album but, gonna try. You mean more part 1 or 2?
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They can make some very good emotional songs:
- Paradise Lost
- The Accolade II
and last,but not least, my fav evah from them:
- Candlelight Fantasia
Their heavy music is good too, but I got bowred of it. Now I need a pause.
And moreover, I think this band is really increasing. They always offer better and better stuff, and that's good for further albums!
Try A Winter's Dream
I don't know too much this album but, gonna try. You mean more part 1 or 2?
By this album you mean the Damnation Game, right?
because that album is fricken awesome. By far my favorite. In a Winter's Dream (1&2), The Edge of Forever, Secrets, Dressed to Kill and the Damnation Game are awesome songs.
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They can make some very good emotional songs:
- Paradise Lost
- The Accolade II
and last,but not least, my fav evah from them:
- Candlelight Fantasia
Their heavy music is good too, but I got bowred of it. Now I need a pause.
And moreover, I think this band is really increasing. They always offer better and better stuff, and that's good for further albums!
Try A Winter's Dream
I don't know too much this album but, gonna try. You mean more part 1 or 2?
By this album you mean the Damnation Game, right?
because that album is fricken awesome. By far my favorite. In a Winter's Dream (1&2), The Edge of Forever, Secrets, Dressed to Kill and the Damnation Game are awesome songs.
Yeah, that's it. I didn't pay too much attention to it cause... it's pretty old and I thought their old stuff wasn't that great. But I'm gonna look at it.
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I'm a big fan of non-angry RA.
the music is far more classically inspired also
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I'm a big fan of non-angry RA.
the music is far more classically inspired also
This
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They can make some very good emotional songs:
- Paradise Lost
- The Accolade II
and last,but not least, my fav evah from them:
- Candlelight Fantasia
Their heavy music is good too, but I got bowred of it. Now I need a pause.
And moreover, I think this band is really increasing. They always offer better and better stuff, and that's good for further albums!
Try A Winter's Dream
I don't know too much this album but, gonna try. You mean more part 1 or 2?
By this album you mean the Damnation Game, right?
because that album is fricken awesome. By far my favorite. In a Winter's Dream (1&2), The Edge of Forever, Secrets, Dressed to Kill and the Damnation Game are awesome songs.
Yeah, that's it. I didn't pay too much attention to it cause... it's pretty old and I thought their old stuff wasn't that great. But I'm gonna look at it.
Sorry, I meant part 1, in reference to your liking of their emotional songs, but the whole of Winter's Dream is good
I'm a big fan of non-angry RA.
the music is far more classically inspired also
This
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Symphony X are one of my favorite bands. I don't understand the shit they get about being so cheesy when there are so many more cheesier bands out there. SX pull off their fantasy lyrics really well, and in my opinion they don't sound cheesy at all. Who cares if they have a song about Medusa? It's an awesome rockin' song.
My favorite album of theirs is V: The New Mythology Suite, and I'm in the minority that actually liked Paradise Lost. It's one badass album, and although I like Russell's clean vocals more, he pulls off tasteful harsh vocals that don't completely suck... Like most harsh vocals do.
I don't know many people that think Paradise Lost is anything short of a masterpiece.
I wouldn't say it's my favourite album from them but it's up there with the best.
I absolutely LOVE The Walls of Babylon and Revelation.
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Symphony X are one of my favorite bands. I don't understand the shit they get about being so cheesy when there are so many more cheesier bands out there. SX pull off their fantasy lyrics really well, and in my opinion they don't sound cheesy at all. Who cares if they have a song about Medusa? It's an awesome rockin' song.
My favorite album of theirs is V: The New Mythology Suite, and I'm in the minority that actually liked Paradise Lost. It's one badass album, and although I like Russell's clean vocals more, he pulls off tasteful harsh vocals that don't completely suck... Like most harsh vocals do.
I don't know many people that think Paradise Lost is anything short of a masterpiece.
I wouldn't say it's my favourite album from them but it's up there with the best.
I absolutely LOVE The Walls of Babylon and Revelation.
Unfortunately I'm one of those that thinks Paradise Lost is their 2nd weakest album after the s/t debut.
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The new, the old - it's all :metal
*appreciates both of Russel's vocal techniques*
(Also, The Odyssey = win.)
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I simply can't get into Paradise Lost. I like the first two songs, but from then on I lose interest. It just sounds samey, nothing I haven't heard before. My favourite album of theirs is V, and I hope their next album is in a similar fashion.
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I simply can't get into Paradise Lost. I like the first two songs, but from then on I lose interest. It just sounds samey, nothing I haven't heard before. My favourite album of theirs is V, and I hope their next album is in a similar fashion.
If you like the 2 firsts track you can't not like the rest of the album. Their style is very similar all along the album, sometimes I even think it is too much similar. That's why I rarely listen to this album one shot. I tend to listen to a few songs at the time.
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Every song on Paradise Lost is incredibly solid and full of win, but yes, they all do have a same-y feel, and so sadly the album gets old fast. When that happens I just go listen to other stuff and come back to it in a couple of months and it's :metal :metal again.
GONNA BLEED YOU! Dry
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(Also, The Odyssey = win.)
Definitely! :metal
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SX's best song is The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
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SX's best song is The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
Hmmm it's hard to choose just one.
My personal favourites: The Odyssey, The Walls of Babylon, Revelation, Through The Looking Glass, Candlelight Fantasia, Fallen, The Edge of Forever.
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SX's best song is The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
I'm inclined to agree with you, it is certainly top 5 material. A bit overwhelming in terms of content to begin with, but after a couple of listens it really gels and it's a fantastic song.
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SX's best song is The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
It can't touch The Odyssey in terms of awesomeness. But it is still a top 5 song for me.
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Seven is a freakin' awesome song. Probably my favorite from Paradise Lost.
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I guess while we're on the subject, I'll rank my five favorites from SX, in no order:
1. The Edge of Forever
2. Smoke & Mirrors
3. The Odyssey
4. King of Terrors
5. Sea of Lies
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That's a great top 5 PLM. Can't argue with that list.
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That's a great top 5 PLM. Can't argue with that list.
I wish more people would listen to The Damnation Game
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SX's best song is The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
I'm inclined to agree with you, it is certainly top 5 material. A bit overwhelming in terms of content to begin with, but after a couple of listens it really gels and it's a fantastic song.
Agreed. The more you listen, the more hooked you become.
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Seven is a freakin' awesome song. Probably my favorite from Paradise Lost.
This.
I struggle with PL if I'm listening to it all at once. It's once you separate it out that it becomes good. The last two tracks are pretty filler though.
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Seven is a freakin' awesome song. Probably my favorite from Paradise Lost.
This.
I struggle with PL if I'm listening to it all at once. It's once you separate it out that it becomes good. The last two tracks are pretty filler though.
Strange, because it's a concept album and meant to be listened to all at once. It is true though. Going from Eve of Seduction to The Walls of Babylon almost killed the album for me
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Seven is a freakin' awesome song. Probably my favorite from Paradise Lost.
This.
I struggle with PL if I'm listening to it all at once. It's once you separate it out that it becomes good. The last two tracks are pretty filler though.
Strange, because it's a concept album and meant to be listened to all at once. It is true though. Going from Eve of Seduction to The Walls of Babylon almost killed the album for me
PL is a concept album?
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Seven is a freakin' awesome song. Probably my favorite from Paradise Lost.
This.
I struggle with PL if I'm listening to it all at once. It's once you separate it out that it becomes good. The last two tracks are pretty filler though.
Strange, because it's a concept album and meant to be listened to all at once. It is true though. Going from Eve of Seduction to The Walls of Babylon almost killed the album for me
PL is a concept album?
Yeah, about the epic John Milton poem of the same name.
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It seems loosely based on it only. I mean, the themes are there, clearly. But I don't think it follows a story.
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I've felt the same way.
Or maybe it's because I last read that poem three years ago
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It seems loosely based on it only. I mean, the themes are there, clearly. But I don't think it follows a story.
Strictly speaking, I don't think it has to.
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Oh I know that...It's a concept album in my eyes, and by definition it is also one. It's just not an obvious one like Operation: Mindcrime or SFAM.
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Oh I know that...It's a concept album in my eyes, and by definition it is also one. It's just not an obvious one like Operation: Mindcrime or SFAM.
Fair enough. I'm glad we could settle this debate a lot easier than some of the other concept album debates I've been involved in. :lol
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Haha, yeah. Glad we agree on that.
Listening to The Divine...live now. Excellent as always!
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V is a concept album though, right??
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V is a concept album though, right??
Yes, and a very good one at that.
Paradise Lost, however, isn't that good and it isn't a concept album. I know that because Symphony X said so themselves. And I'm too lazy too look it up for you.
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SX Top 10:
1. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
2. The Odyssey
3. Rediscovery / The New Mythology
4. Through The Looking Glass
5. Revelations (Divus Pennæ Ex Tragoedia)
6. Ex Oculus Ex Inferni / Set The World On Fire
7. Domination
8. Seven
9. Eve Of Seduction
10. Paradise Lost
Basically, Paradise Lost is my favorite album, and I love all the big long epics they've done as well.
Very fun band.
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SX Top 10:
1. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
2. The Odyssey
3. Rediscovery / The New Mythology
4. Through The Looking Glass
5. Revelations (Divus Pennæ Ex Tragoedia)
6. Ex Oculus Ex Inferni / Set The World On Fire
7. Domination
8. Seven
9. Eve Of Seduction
10. Paradise Lost
Basically, Paradise Lost is my favorite album, and I love all the big long epics they've done as well.
Very fun band.
Niiiiiiice list
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I just listened to The Serpent's Kiss ad I though this thread deserved a bump. :metal
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:symphonyx:
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:symphonyx:
:drool:
Time for lunch.
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The solo in Eve of Destruction slays. I just don't know if it's a keyboard or a guitar solo (i think it was around the 5 min mark)
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Just listen to V. Definitely my favourite album of theirs. Extremely solid across the board.
For me it goes
V
Twilight in Olympus
The Odyssey
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Paradise Lost
Symphony X
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Just listen to V. Definitely my favourite album of theirs. Extremely solid across the board.
For me it goes
V
Twilight in Olympus
The Odyssey
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Paradise Lost
Symphony X
Damnation game?
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Just listen to V. Definitely my favourite album of theirs. Extremely solid across the board.
For me it goes
V
Twilight in Olympus
The Odyssey
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Paradise Lost
Symphony X
Damnation game?
Damnation Game should slot right below TDWOT and just above PL on that list.
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I like PL more and more every time I listen. I also have The Odyssey. I borrowed Twilight in Olympus and TDWoT from a friend and those were pretty cool too. I want to get their entire discography. Why the hell doesn't best buy carry any of their older stuff? Every time I go there, all they have on the shelf is PL and occasionally The Odyssey. ???
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I like PL more and more every time I listen. I also have The Odyssey. I borrowed Twilight in Olympus and TDWoT from a friend and those were pretty cool too. I want to get their entire discography. Why the hell doesn't best buy carry any of their older stuff? Every time I go there, all they have on the shelf is PL and occasionally The Odyssey. ???
I had that problem. I ended up getting everything from the s/t to V in a used record shop. I could probably have ordered them online, but at the time I didn't have a credit card.
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I really need to get the rest of their albums. (I only have PL, Odyssey, and TDWOT). Just need a job and some money first... :\
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Just listen to V. Definitely my favourite album of theirs. Extremely solid across the board.
For me it goes
V
Twilight in Olympus
The Odyssey
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Paradise Lost
Symphony X
Damnation game?
Damnation Game should slot right below TDWOT and just above PL on that list.
I had not really gave it the time of day until today. Gave it a listen, and it kicks serious ass. Ludvig is eerily correct, it slots right under Tragedy on the list. I highly recommend it to people who haven't heard it yet! The Edge of Forever is my favourite off it :hefdaddy
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I don't think I could put their albums in any such order if I tried.
That's how solid their discography is.
Paradise Lost is album of 2007 for me. Closely followed by FOABP by Porcupine Tree.
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Damnation Game is criminally underrated.
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I'm one of those guys who had to look around for those earlier CDs in the original version, I don't like the so-called special edition with the weird border. It mean my copy of Divine Wings has the bottom part of the back written in Russian. :rollin
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mini-bump...
I have been revisiting Symphony X the last week or so and have found myself enjoying DG-TDWoT-TiO much, much more than their later albums. Those albums seem much more varied in their material. I don't have PL so have only listened to clips online, and while it is awesome what it is, I don't think it is as solid of an album as their earlier work due to its more one-dimentional quality.
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Those earlier albums are better overall because a genius named Thomas Miller was very prominent in writing them.
But all their work is really good. Even Paradise Lost delivers pure awesome.
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Awesome band! :metal :metal Need to listen to some more of them but I really enjoyed Paradise Lost the first time I heard it and I even like the song self even more, it was awesome live and the band too! I like Pinellas keyboard set up, reminded me of KM back in the days. Set the World on fire is such a cool intro and really like The Serpents Kiss video and song.
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Pinnela is a good keyboardist except for 1 thing. His leads. They don't rock.
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^ If I am being honest here, I agree, and I also think Rudess's synth solos also suck. I am really not a fan of crazy keyboard wanking that sounds like a mess of notes, id much prefer a harmony with the guitar solo.
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I like PL more and more every time I listen. I also have The Odyssey. I borrowed Twilight in Olympus and TDWoT from a friend and those were pretty cool too. I want to get their entire discography. Why the hell doesn't best buy carry any of their older stuff? Every time I go there, all they have on the shelf is PL and occasionally The Odyssey. ???
The Best Buy near me always has The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, and TDWOT. Recently though, I've pretty much only seen PL and occasionally The Odyssey.
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V: The New Mythology Suite was the first album to feature new bass player Michael Lepond, who was chosen out of many other bassists to replace Thomas Miller. With the addition of Lepond, 3 of the 5 band members now answer to the name Michael. Michael Romeo says the band addresses this problem by calling him [Romeo] "Michael," keyboard player Michael Pinnella "P," and by simply calling Michael Lepond "Lepond."
It seems like the same problem DT had but dealt with differently lol
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And the Twilight in Olympus lineup is:
* Russell Allen
* Michael Romeo
* Michael Pinnella
* Thomas Miller
* Thomas Walling
lol
Anyone know what Miller and Walling are doing? I really loved their work on TiO.
On November 21, 2008 at a Symphony X show in Sayreville, NJ, halfway into the set, Russell Allen said "Tom, get your ass up here!" He was referring to none other than Thomas Miller, who came on the stage to join his former bandmates. Allen went on to say that "without this guy there would be no Divine Wings of Tragedy, and there would be no Symphony X." Tom shook hands / hugged with everyone in the band and then took a bow. From this, Miller seems to be on good terms with the band.
Cool.
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Anyone know what Miller and Walling are doing? I really loved their work on TiO.
On November 21, 2008 at a Symphony X show in Sayreville, NJ, halfway into the set, Russell Allen said "Tom, get your ass up here!" He was referring to none other than Thomas Miller, who came on the stage to join his former bandmates. Allen went on to say that "without this guy there would be no Divine Wings of Tragedy, and there would be no Symphony X." Tom shook hands / hugged with everyone in the band and then took a bow. From this, Miller seems to be on good terms with the band.
Cool.
I almost went to that show too. But then they added the Philly date and I ended up going there the day after this took place.
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^ If I am being honest here, I agree, and I also think Rudess's synth solos also suck. I am really not a fan of crazy keyboard wanking that sounds like a mess of notes, id much prefer a harmony with the guitar solo.
There are great keyboard solos, *looks at Ayreon*, there are pretty cool sounding synth solos in Ayreon material. Speaking of JR, I think he has some great lead solos (Home, Octavarium, Fatal Tragedy, etc.) As a synth player myself, I can tell that there are a lot of elements involved into making a good synth solo. In terms of the program you're using (the sound), the song in which you're playing the solo and, of course, the solo itself.
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^ If I am being honest here, I agree, and I also think Rudess's synth solos also suck. I am really not a fan of crazy keyboard wanking that sounds like a mess of notes, id much prefer a harmony with the guitar solo.
There are great keyboard solos, *looks at Ayreon*, there are pretty cool sounding synth solos in Ayreon material. Speaking of JR, I think he has some great lead solos (Home, Octavarium, Fatal Tragedy, etc.) As a synth player myself, I can tell that there are a lot of elements involved into making a good synth solo. In terms of the program you're using (the sound), the song in which you're playing the solo and, of course, the solo itself.
I love the solo in Sixth Extinction!
"Here come the machines! Prepare to dieeee!!!!"
My favorite keyboardist :metal Alwaysl ove his synth work
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The keyboard solo from the guy in The Flower Kings is one of the most amazing solos on any instrument ever made, imo. Fantastic piece. Which reminds me, I haven't listened to 011010112312``a in a long time.
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One of the few bands that rival DT...The Album "The Odyssey" Rivals the best Dream Theater have to offer.
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One of the few bands that rival DT...The Album "The Odyssey" Rivals the best Dream Theater have to offer.
I agree.
They haven't made a single bad album and are way up there with DT in terms of brilliant musicianship.
Sometimes I even think they're better than DT.
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There different though...My Favorite albums are
V
Odyssey
Divine Wings of Tragedy
I also love Paradise Lost, I need to buy Twilight in Olympus.
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I went on a Symphony X rampage today. I got Twilight in Olympus, V, and The Odyssey. Listened to them all. Twilight in Olympus is my favorite so far, but it's still not as awesome as Paradise Lost. I love that album.
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Twilight in Olympus is a much underrated album. I mean, not all the songs are good, but it's still great overall.
Smoke & Mirrors is in my top ten songs of all time. Through The Looking Glass is up in my top twenty
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Twilight in Olympus is indeed excellent, but I think it suffers from a rather thin-sounding production.
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Michael Romeo stopped by the other day, got a picture of him hanging out at my apartment.
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/romeo.jpg)
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Hey.
That's not very nice. :P
Meeting the band was the coolest thing I've done with my life so far. Russell Allen is a MASSIVE human being. I felt small when he was sitting :lol . They're all really nice guys though. Mike P and Mike LePond didn't really talk much though
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So, I got both Damnation Game and the self-titled today. Good stuff, and pretty underrated. (Self-titled got a 1.5 star rating on Allmusic, and Damnation Game got 2.)
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Damnation Game only got two stars? That sucks. I can understand why people would vote that way (it's far less metal than Paradise Lost or The Odyssey), but it's still better than two stars.
The Damnation Game is one of the few albums that I can rank a 10/10. But that's just me
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Damnation Game only got two stars? That sucks. I can understand why people would vote that way (it's far less metal than Paradise Lost or The Odyssey), but it's still better than two stars.
The Damnation Game is one of the few albums that I can rank a 10/10. But that's just me
Allmusic is a professional review site. It's not an aggregate place like Metacritic.
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Yeah. If some band wrote the s/t now with good production people would probably praise it like hell. It's a great album and the singer has a great voice. Although I see how it would be hard for people to like him, he's a bit like John Arch and Allen mixed together.
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Damnation Game only got two stars? That sucks. I can understand why people would vote that way (it's far less metal than Paradise Lost or The Odyssey), but it's still better than two stars.
The Damnation Game is one of the few albums that I can rank a 10/10. But that's just me
Allmusic is a professional review site. It's not an aggregate place like Metacritic.
Oh ok. Well, these "professionals" clearly don't know what they're talking about then :P
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Yeah, allmusic is pretty harsh on this band. The only albums to score four stars or above were The Divine Wings of Tragedy and Paradise Lost. All the others got 3 stars or less. >:(
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On The Edge Of Forever turns a good album into a masterpiece.
That song stands out so much for me.
Amazing song.
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I'm listening to The New Mythology Suite for the first time, gotta say it's amazing.
It's only my second S:X album to listen to after Paradise Lost which I also loved.
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You're in for a treat then.
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After V, you should get The Odyssey or Twilight in Olympus, and then The Damnation game and Divine Wings of Tragedy.
:metal
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V is a prog Masterpiece. The others are more Metal.
The Odyssey might be the perfect mix though, Kind of like Six Degrees.
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I'm listening to The New Mythology Suite for the first time, gotta say it's amazing.
It's only my second S:X album to listen to after Paradise Lost which I also loved.
Hope you enjoyed it. I absolutely adore that album. :metal
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I got The Odyssey but V deserves more listens before moving on!
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All of their albums are amazing.
I hope they get to work on a new album soon.
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All of their albums are amazing.
I hope they get to work on a new album soon.
definitely. on their wikipedia page it says they're gathering material for a live dvd or cd. that would be awesome.
but i hope there isn't another five year wait between albums
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Anyone else think that Domination and Panic Attack start off in a very similar way? Even the bass sounds similar.
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Anyone else think that Domination and Panic Attack start off in a very similar way? Even the bass sounds similar.
I noticed that, I also noticed several other similarities with other DT and S:X songs.
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A Symphony X survivor has begun!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4946.0
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A Symphony X survivor has begun!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4946.0
Thanks glaurung. I was about to resurrect this thread for the same reason
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
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So I have a very ambitious musical friend who is transcribing "The Odyssey" for performance in the fall of 2010. It will have a 5-piece band as well as small orchestra... I'm playing keys.
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Very nice. When it happens, I hope you record it. We'd love to hear it
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Very nice. When it happens, I hope you record it. We'd love to hear it
This :D
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Bump for survivor justice:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5514.0
Listen to The Damnation Game NOW. Then vote
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So does anyone know what Symphony X are up to? They aren't touring or making a new album so are they working on something else or is this just a break?
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I think Russell Allen has had a kid so they are on hiatus? Not 100% though
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I really hope SX gets a DVD out at least before they start working on their next album. It boggles me that they still, in all their years, have not put out a live DVD, being as acclaimed as they are in prog metal world.
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As much as I love Symphony X, there's one thing that stops me from fully enjoy them and that is the god damn guitar tone that Romeo has. It sounds shit on albums and it sounds even worse live. He's a living example of how to use digital products like Line6 the WRONG way! Listen to Opeth to learn how to use it correctly! Or even better, use equipment like JP does. He always has a good, heavy tone that cuts through the mix and you can actually hear every note he plays.
/rant
To balance out this post - Russel Allan is probably my favorite singer of ALL TIME! One sexy beast of a man! :hefdaddy
They write some unique, catchy and amazing songs! V is one of my favorite albums of all time! They're all amazing musicians!
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Symphony X is a great band (my favourite progmetal band after DT) and yes we need a live DVD nao!
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I really hope SX gets a DVD out at least before they start working on their next album. It boggles me that they still, in all their years, have not put out a live DVD, being as acclaimed as they are in prog metal world.
Their wikipedia page says they're gathering material for a DVD, but I don't know how accurate that is.
Anyway, all of you need to vote in the Symphony X Survivor
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As much as I love Symphony X, there's one thing that stops me from fully enjoy them and that is the god damn guitar tone that Romeo has. It sounds shit on albums and it sounds even worse live. He's a living example of how to use digital products like Line6 the WRONG way! Listen to Opeth to learn how to use it correctly! Or even better, use equipment like JP does. He always has a good, heavy tone that cuts through the mix and you can actually hear every note he plays.
/rant
I agree somewhat. On albums I think his tone sounds good (he uses a lot of different amps when recording - Mesa, ENGL, etc.), but live I think he still uses the Line6 Vetta II (at least that's what he was using when I saw them in '05), and yeah, it sounded pretty weak. Even if you watch their performance on the Gigantour DVD, his tone doesn't cut through very well.
But, just out of curiosity, since when has Opeth used digital amps? Last time I saw em they were using Laney heads.
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The Divine Wings of Tragedy is now up on the P/S board: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=6118.0
Vote, all of you, because you've all heard it.
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The Odyssey is my favorite album from them. It's pure :metal
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To balance out this post - Russel Allan is probably my favorite singer of ALL TIME! One sexy beast of a man! :hefdaddy
They write some unique, catchy and amazing songs! V is one of my favorite albums of all time! They're all amazing musicians!
OK so what the hell. Reading this I have visions of Kanye West. Is this going to happen every time someone says the words 'of all time' from now on?
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I listened to The Odyssey today. The song is so much better than I remember it, I hadn't listened to it for months.
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"Out of the ashes of my youth I rise a man
And through the eyes of truth I finally understand the way!"
:metal
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As much as I love Symphony X, there's one thing that stops me from fully enjoy them and that is the god damn guitar tone that Romeo has. It sounds shit on albums and it sounds even worse live. He's a living example of how to use digital products like Line6 the WRONG way! Listen to Opeth to learn how to use it correctly! Or even better, use equipment like JP does. He always has a good, heavy tone that cuts through the mix and you can actually hear every note he plays.
/rant
I agree somewhat. On albums I think his tone sounds good (he uses a lot of different amps when recording - Mesa, ENGL, etc.), but live I think he still uses the Line6 Vetta II (at least that's what he was using when I saw them in '05), and yeah, it sounded pretty weak. Even if you watch their performance on the Gigantour DVD, his tone doesn't cut through very well.
But, just out of curiosity, since when has Opeth used digital amps? Last time I saw em they were using Laney heads.
For a really long time, they've used Boss GT-8 and/or GT-10 multi-effects unit, with EVERYTHING coming from there. Even the amp models. They then run it through the clean channels on their Laney heads. Obviously, when they're recording, they use so much more than that.
As far as Romeo's guitar tone in the studio - the only studio album where I think it sounds decent is Paradise Lost. It still sounds quite digital on all their other albums, I think. No dynamics, weird treble and it sounds...kind of boring and predicable. Maybe I'm just spoiled with Petrucci's excellent tone, but still...
And yes, I know I'm focusing on the bad in my posts here, but Symphony X really is one of my favorite bands that I had the pleasure of seeing when they opened for DT on the Systematic tour. :tup
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I listened to The Odyssey today. The song is so much better than I remember it, I hadn't listened to it for months.
I had Odyssey overkill a few months back. October I'll listen to it again and appreciate it's pure awesomeness once more.
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I listened to The Odyssey today. The song is so much better than I remember it, I hadn't listened to it for months.
I had Odyssey overkill a few months back. October I'll listen to it again and appreciate it's pure awesomeness once more.
I do that a lot with albums. For example, even thinking about BCSL makes me sick because I got in over 300 listens in two months. :lol
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I wanna see Symphony X live again. First time was supporting DT in manchester, arrived a bit late and didn't take any notice. Second time I was on the barrier at Blackburn and my GOD, they were one of the best live bands I've ever seen. I rarely ever like a band that much the first time I see them (i don't really dig live music unless I know it..)
As soon as they started playing I felt like I was really into the music, I guess partially the showmanship too, Allan was incredible, honestly one of the best showmen I've had the pleasure of seeing. And the rest of the band were so into it, along with the badass music, I had goosebumps the whole set. I would LOVE to see them again now that I actually know and love a lot of their music!
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I wanna see Symphony X live again. First time was supporting DT in manchester, arrived a bit late and didn't take any notice. Second time I was on the barrier at Blackburn and my GOD, they were one of the best live bands I've ever seen. I rarely ever like a band that much the first time I see them (i don't really dig live music unless I know it..)
As soon as they started playing I felt like I was really into the music, I guess partially the showmanship too, Allan was incredible, honestly one of the best showmen I've had the pleasure of seeing. And the rest of the band were so into it, along with the badass music, I had goosebums the whole set. I would LOVE to see them again now that I actually know and love a lot of their music!
Yeh pretty much this. I saw them in Newport with DT and arrived late, not paying much attention. Heard one of the last songs (and strangely one of the only ones I knew... I think it was the Turning). They playing phenomenally, and I'm so annoyed with myself that I didn't get into them sooner/turn up on time.
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Only time I've seen them live so far was Gigantour '05 (which fortunately, also had DT there of course :biggrin: with a lot of other awesome bands). It seems like every time they go on tour, the never come through my city, and on top of that, it's always during a busy school week so I can never drive anywhere to see 'em if I wanted to. :sadpanda:
Which is part of the reason why I'm still of course crossing my fingers for a DVD.
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Seeing SX live is amazing. Russell Allen is damn near perfect, and the atmosphere is amazing.
Plus, singing the chorus to Paradise Lost without Russell is such an amazing concert moment
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(https://www.wpapu.com/images/nicklepond.jpg)
(https://www.wpapu.com/images/nickallen.jpg)
Figure I'd throw those in here for funsies. :D
Off-topic edit: God damn I've lost weight.
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*snippity doo dah*
Off-topic edit: God damn I've lost weight.
I'll say.
And does the sign behind you guys in the first pic say "Put In, Take Out"?
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:lol I'm not sure, next time I see a show there I'll have to take note.
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I've been living on The Odyssey and Paradise Lost for the last year and a half. Finally decided to order some more from Amazon.
Symphony X (self titled)
The Damnation Game
Twilight in Olympus
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
V - The New Mythology Suite
:metal
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All of those except the self titles are awesome!
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All of those except the self titles are awesome!
Yeah, no doubt. The music is cool on self titled, but I don't like the singer much.
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All of those except the self titles are awesome!
Yeah, no doubt. The music is cool on self titled, but I don't like the singer much.
Yeah Rod Tyler isn't the best singer. They should think about re-recording them
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Nah, he's great on those songs.
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anything new goin on with this band? i saw them live like a year ago. are they thinking bout recording new album?
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Nobody knows. I was worried when InsideOut went under because I didn't want a five year wait like last time. But Russell just had a baby girl, so I'm sure that comes first
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Russell certainly doesn't put fans high up on his list. Had a run in with him at the recent New Jersey Dream Theater concert. When I asked him if he was Russell Allen (I wasn't going to ask him for anything) he told me he had been accused of being him and then walked away and took pictures and signed autographs with like 15 other fans...I stood their shocked. I found out it was him by talking to who he was talking to one of the stage setup guys. I have bought several of their albums and gone to their concerts. I'll never buy a single thing he ever does again.
Well that run in almost ruined my night until I ran into John Petrucci at a reststop. He took the time to talk to me and did a picture with me cause he wanted to. I didn't see it first hand, but I've heard two stories from a reliable source that I can't mention that he screwed over sg and Ayreon. I wish I would prove it but I don't want to start anything.
He's an amazing vocalist but...it pretty much killed my overall support for the band. I've run into the bass player Michael LePond at the concert and he was a great guy. I had a good talk with him. So is Romeo who I knew through a friend. If they make a new album I don't know if I'll buy it...
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^that does sound a bit wierd.
Are you sure he wasn't just joking with you? Perhaps you've taken it the wrong way.
I'm sure if you asked him for a photo/signature he would have signed it straight away dude.
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It's not weird man. After he said that, without smiling, he walked away without saying another word...and stopped to talk to some other people, sign stuff, and take pictures. He PROBABLY was upset that I didn't know right away who he was. LAME-O
My little 15yrs old brother (who also was a huge fan, bought all his Jorn/Allen albums) and my gf were standing right there when it happened. I'm not a deformed looking fan either lol I'm just a normal looking guy. If he would have just left I would have said.."oh he just wanted to get out" nope...that was not the reason. If I were him, I would stop for any fan and wouldn't just lie to them. I'm the one who helps him pay his bills.
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How did he screw SG and Ayroen?
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When I met all the members they all seemed really cool. Especially Russell and Jason
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The rest of the guys from the band are awesome.
I'm glad you had a good experience meeting him PLaysLikeMyung, I didn't. It hurt a bit for that to happen, I was a huge Symphony X fan for a long time. I'm extremely unhappy at what happened.
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Crap. He did the live album with Star One at least :D This doesn't really change my mind about the band or the music, but Allen and Shadow Gallery? That's something I would have loved to see, especially if it was with Mike.
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I thought that before I met him lol
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I met Russell Allen at the most recent Dream Theater concert in New Jersey and the guy couldn't have been friendlier. He took a picture with me and joked with me and a friend. Some other friends who were there shared the same experience.
And he seemed to be on good enough terms with Arjen to do a Star One album and live album, so really, what are you talking about? Is there a way you can possibly give more specifics? Because as it is it looks as if it's simple mudslinging on the internet with no real base behind it.
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I met Russell Allen at the most recent Dream Theater concert in New Jersey and the guy couldn't have been friendlier. He took a picture with me and joked with me and a friend. Some other friends who were there shared the same experience.
And he seemed to be on good enough terms with Arjen to do a Star One album and live album, so really, what are you talking about? Is there a way you can possibly give more specifics? Because as it is it looks as if it's simple mudslinging on the internet with no real base behind it.
I just read an interview where Arjen talks about getting Russell involved in his next project. I never, ever heard such negative things about Russell Allen.
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He was an a-hole when I met him and I've heard two stories of him screwing over bands by someone know who works in the music business. Believe me or not.
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Well Stallion, when someone with such a low post count comes on and starts off expressing such extreme opinions, particularly negative ones, it looks kind of suspicious because they have nothing to lose.
Until I read this thread, I was about to ask if you were some inside shill for Shadow Gallery since you said you have heard more than just the previews and were so adamant in your defence of the new singer (I'm pretty sure that's not the case anymore).
I've never met Russell, but I have a hard time believing he intentionally blew you off. At the same time I'm not calling you a liar, I think what probably happened is you interpereted your interaction with him in a way different than he expected...or you inadvertently pissed him off somehow, which can happen sometimes. Either way, not supporting the other members of the band because of one experience seems kind of juvenile and reactionary.
Either way, welcome to the boards!
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Just found this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcj6T2_8MaQ&feature=related
:lol
The pictures are funnier than the lyrics.
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Just found this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcj6T2_8MaQ&feature=related
:lol
The pictures are funnier than the lyrics.
Nice find :tup
Some of the "misheard" stuff was a stretch, but the pictures were great.
/thread derailment
Here is an awesome "Yellow Ledbetter" one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU)
/thread derailment
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He was an a-hole when I met him and I've heard two stories of him screwing over bands by someone know who works in the music business. Believe me or not.
Hey watch it buddy. That's damaging hearsay!
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He was an a-hole when I met him and I've heard two stories of him screwing over bands by someone know who works in the music business. Believe me or not.
I can believe you heard those stories, what I'm interested in is knowing if you have any way of knowing those stories are true and un-biased.
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Twilight In Olympus survivor now happening in P/S
Vote nao
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A bit of looking around for news on what the band is up to says their working on a new CD.
The latest post in this thread says so at least.
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/symphonyx/362175-latest-news-updated-9-21-new-cd-works.html
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A bit of looking around for news on what the band is up to says their working on a new CD.
The latest post in this thread says so at least.
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/symphonyx/362175-latest-news-updated-9-21-new-cd-works.html
:caffeine:
DO WANT
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Guess they figured fans wouldn't wanna wait another five years this time. :biggrin:
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While I love Paradise Lost I really hope they turn the metal down a bit on the next one. Or at least mix it up with some of the really metal stuff like on Paradise Lost and some more proggy stuff like on V.
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Honestly, if they produce something like Paradise Lost, with an epic thrown in, I will be one happy man.
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While I love Paradise Lost I really hope they turn the metal down a bit on the next one. Or at least mix it up with some of the really metal stuff like on Paradise Lost and some more proggy stuff like on V.
This.
Please god Symphony X go back to the V style with a heavy amount of prog and orchestral keyboard stuff and less formulaic power-prog metal.
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While I love Paradise Lost I really hope they turn the metal down a bit on the next one. Or at least mix it up with some of the really metal stuff like on Paradise Lost and some more proggy stuff like on V.
This.
Please god Symphony X go back to the V style with a heavy amount of prog and orchestral keyboard stuff and less formulaic power-prog metal.
Exactly what I was thinking Portucci. Let me buy you a beer...
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I liked Paradise Lost... But a balance like with Twilight in Olympus or The Odyssey would be cool.
Although I'd love for them to go back to the 94/95 era...
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I hope they'll make an album that's epic and melodic, but a bit less metal than Paradise lost. More room for their keyboardist this time.
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I read in some interviews with MJR that the next album will have material from Paradise Lost leftovers...
:facepalm:
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I read in some interviews with MJR that the next album will have material from Paradise Lost leftovers...
:facepalm:
That's nothing to be worried about. Megadeth's new album had some recycled songs from United Abominations, and they still have the specific Endgame identity. They'll probably change them around to fit in with whatever they're currently writing.
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I read in some interviews with MJR that the next album will have material from Paradise Lost leftovers...
:facepalm:
That's fine by me. Another kickass album!
I would love an even heavier album, if i'm being completely honest. :metal
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Update from Jax on the Ultimate Metal SX forum:
Coming soon..
..a new website!
..a new label!
..a new cd!
Sweet
I wonder what Label they're switching to?
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I'm highly looking forward to this, I too missed the epic not present on paradise lost, I loved the album for what it was, highly polished, very well played power metal (with some prog thrown in) with kick ass vocals, but it was lacking a little something. Symphony X are one of my favourite bands, while at their core (and to someone not familiar with all their work) they are a power-prog-metal band with fantasy lyrics, amazing guitar playing, great vocals and keyboards etc. (Nothing to be sniffed at truly) it is the glimpses of greatness they show now and again that leaves me hoping for that perfect album I know they have in them. They've done stuff which ranks up with anything in the prog world in my opinion (part of V and the title track of the Odyssey in particular and I also love the title track of Divine Wings though I gather that's not as popular among fans) and if they could hit these heights consistently for a full album they would have a stone cold classic on their hands. Don't get me wrong I love most of the bands output but the songs I come back to again and again tend to be the longer ones where they have time to flesh out their ideas. I rank the Odyssey right up there with a Change of Seasons and Octavarium which shows how highly I think of it. There's just so much emotion in that song, from the acoustic story telling at the start to the triumphant part towards the end it's really a roller-coaster ride of a song. I have found a lot of people write them off after hearing some of the more popular metally songs of theirs, thinking they are merely a power metal band with good chops (I once heard a dragonforce comparison :tdwn) I wish they would all take the time to listen to the Odyssey and other such works. I'm not pushed what form the songs take on the next album (Be they in the Paradise Lost style which I did enjoy especially the Title track Russell Allen sure can belt out the ballads in style) as long as I see a 20minute track lurking at the end of the album crammed full of the amazing music I know they are capable of. :metal
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Sony - they will support Britney Spears on her next tour :d
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Update from Jax on the Ultimate Metal SX forum:
Coming soon..
..a new website!
..a new label!
..a new cd!
Sweet
I wonder what Label they're switching to?
All of that is really great news! Their current website is terrible.
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Awesome news.
They deserve to be picked up by RoadRunner.
I remember Opeth, Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree all getting the nod around the same time.
SX deserve to be on a big label too.
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Awesome news.
They deserve to be picked up by RoadRunner.
I remember Opeth, Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree all getting the nod around the same time.
SX deserve to be on a big label too.
Totally.
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I don't think that I would have gotten into Symphony X if it wasn't for Dream Theater.... although I still enjoy DT more if it isn't obvious.
Still, I'm looking forward to listening to some more of their songs... I've just scratched the surface of the band thanks to Pandora. Most of the songs that I've heard there have been thumbed up.
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Although, I'm surprised that there was no mention of the supposed "live DVD" mentioned months ago.
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Although, I'm surprised that there was no mention of the supposed "live DVD" mentioned months ago.
That's been in the planning for ages. Somehow this band takes things very, very slow. The news they give through their website is so little information each time. And that's IF they post something. Most of the time, the news is like: ' The band is writing the new CD. More info as it comes.' And then there's no info for months..
In better news, thanks to this thread I've been revisiting SymX quite a bit lately. The reason I gave up on them for a few years must be due to my disappointment with Paradise Lost, or maybe the fact that I thought I 'outgrew' this style of 'fantasy metal'. Because that's what it is essentially.
Well it seems I'm not. Just listened to the epic 'The Odyssey' and it's still as great as it ever was. This song has everything that I could possibly ask for as a listener. The composition has 'tension - release' written all over it. The finale of the song is one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever heard in a song. I also love how at the very end Russell sings the 'Come true......' part as a lower note, and the guitar goes through some chord changes to finally arrive in an entirely new key. Ending is a song like that is fantastic!
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V Survivor now happening in P/S
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
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What the next release needs:
more epics
more keyboards
more classical stuff
less FULL-ON-METUL-RIFFZ
I'm hoping for something between Twilight In Olympus and V
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That's awesome news! I liked Paradise Lost and I think they can deliver another metal (but hopefully some epics, and more Pinella)
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SX's best song is The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
I would say it's definitely one of the best. They have a lot of good songs.
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The chorus of Eyes of Medusa is fucking awesome. RA destroys.
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What the next release needs:
more epics
more keyboards
more classical stuff
less FULL-ON-METUL-RIFFZ
I'm hoping for something between Twilight In Olympus and V
Truer words are rarely spoken. You are a wise man Bombardana.
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Yup. As much as I like The Odyssey, V and Twilight of Olympus and TDWOT are their best albums, imo. I really hope they return to the more proggy side of things with more variation and not just riffs and Russell breaking his mics.
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The chorus of Eyes of Medusa is fucking awesome. RA destroys.
That's because he's R fucking A
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You guys need to toughen up Paradise Lost is easily as kickass as their other albums.
Infact, i'd have it as number 2, and album of 2007.
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You guys need to toughen up Paradise Lost is easily as kickass as their other albums.
Infact, i'd have it as number 2, and album of 2007.
I listen to a lot of mathcore, black metal and extreme metal. My criticisms are not of it's toughness, but of its overall quality compared with previous Symphony X albums, and honestly, next to their older albums, PL just comes off as quite bland and samey. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it's just lacking in the elements which I think make Symphony X great.
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You guys need to toughen up Paradise Lost is easily as kickass as their other albums.
Infact, i'd have it as number 2, and album of 2007.
I listen to a lot of mathcore, black metal and extreme metal. My criticisms are not of it's toughness, but of its overall quality compared with previous Symphony X albums, and honestly, next to their older albums, PL just comes off as quite bland and samey. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it's just lacking in the elements which I think make Symphony X great.
Same here. I listen to music that is way more brutal than SymX's Paradise Lost, but that particular style doesn't fit them too well. I love the dynamics, theatrics and more subtle elements of the older albums. That's what makes them different IMO.
There are some killer heavy riffs in The Odyssey and V too, but not ALL the freakin' time. I'm tired of hearing that MJR midi guitar sound in front of the mix. Because that's what they did. I believe, even with the music staying the same: Turn up Pinella, turn down MJR and re-do the ridiculously loud mastering, and you've got a killer record.
During the intro and 'Set the world on fire', the sound might sound appealing (in fact I was blown away by it the first time). But it's too relentless, and not in a good way.
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You guys need to toughen up Paradise Lost is easily as kickass as their other albums.
Infact, i'd have it as number 2, and album of 2007.
I listen to a lot of mathcore, black metal and extreme metal. My criticisms are not of it's toughness, but of its overall quality compared with previous Symphony X albums, and honestly, next to their older albums, PL just comes off as quite bland and samey. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it's just lacking in the elements which I think make Symphony X great.
Same here. I listen to music that is way more brutal than SymX's Paradise Lost, but that particular style doesn't fit them too well. I love the dynamics, theatrics and more subtle elements of the older albums. That's what makes them different IMO.
There are some killer heavy riffs in The Odyssey and V too, but not ALL the freakin' time. I'm tired of hearing that MJR midi guitar sound in front of the mix. Because that's what they did. I believe, even with the music staying the same: Turn up Pinella, turn down MJR and re-do the ridiculously loud mastering, and you've got a killer record.
During the intro and 'Set the world on fire', the sound might sound appealing (in fact I was blown away by it the first time). But it's too relentless, and not in a good way.
Yep exactly, great post ;D
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You guys need to toughen up Paradise Lost is easily as kickass as their other albums.
Infact, i'd have it as number 2, and album of 2007.
I listen to a lot of mathcore, black metal and extreme metal. My criticisms are not of it's toughness, but of its overall quality compared with previous Symphony X albums, and honestly, next to their older albums, PL just comes off as quite bland and samey. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it's just lacking in the elements which I think make Symphony X great.
Same here. I listen to music that is way more brutal than SymX's Paradise Lost, but that particular style doesn't fit them too well. I love the dynamics, theatrics and more subtle elements of the older albums. That's what makes them different IMO.
There are some killer heavy riffs in The Odyssey and V too, but not ALL the freakin' time. I'm tired of hearing that MJR midi guitar sound in front of the mix. Because that's what they did. I believe, even with the music staying the same: Turn up Pinella, turn down MJR and re-do the ridiculously loud mastering, and you've got a killer record.
During the intro and 'Set the world on fire', the sound might sound appealing (in fact I was blown away by it the first time). But it's too relentless, and not in a good way.
Couldn't have said it any better. This is exactly the problem I have with PL.
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What does that even mean? Set The World on Fire has one of the best intros I've ever heard and it never ceases to amaze me.
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What does that even mean? Set The World on Fire has one of the best intros I've ever heard and it never ceases to amaze me.
Their saying Set the World on Fire was great but when they kept up the relentless metal the whole album it got repetitive.
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You guys need to toughen up Paradise Lost is easily as kickass as their other albums.
Infact, i'd have it as number 2, and album of 2007.
I listen to a lot of mathcore, black metal and extreme metal. My criticisms are not of it's toughness, but of its overall quality compared with previous Symphony X albums, and honestly, next to their older albums, PL just comes off as quite bland and samey. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it's just lacking in the elements which I think make Symphony X great.
Same here. I listen to music that is way more brutal than SymX's Paradise Lost, but that particular style doesn't fit them too well. I love the dynamics, theatrics and more subtle elements of the older albums. That's what makes them different IMO.
There are some killer heavy riffs in The Odyssey and V too, but not ALL the freakin' time. I'm tired of hearing that MJR midi guitar sound in front of the mix. Because that's what they did. I believe, even with the music staying the same: Turn up Pinella, turn down MJR and re-do the ridiculously loud mastering, and you've got a killer record.
During the intro and 'Set the world on fire', the sound might sound appealing (in fact I was blown away by it the first time). But it's too relentless, and not in a good way.
Well I disagree with this. And I know quite a few SX fans that love Paradise Lost as much as I do.
It doesn't sound samey at all to my ears. But to each his own.
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I got The Odyssey and Paradise Lost, i need to get The Divine Wings of Tragedy and V!
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I got The Odyssey and Paradise Lost, i need to get The Divine Wings of Tragedy and V!
:metal
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SX is definitely one of my favourite bands. I think they are not as proggy as I might like them to be (especially with their latest release). One their best qualities for me would be the vocalist, Russell Allen (He rocks). He is one of my favourite singers, if not number one. Protip: check out "Live In Europe", specifically Through the Looking Glass. RA is top notch... gives me chills, every time the keyboard solo comes in, and the guitar solo that would follow. YOU GO NOW
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SX is definitely one of my favourite bands. I think they are not as proggy as I might like them to be (especially with their latest release). One their best qualities for me would be the vocalist, Russell Allen (He rocks). He is one of my favourite singers, if not number one. Protip: check out "Live In Europe", specifically Through the Looking Glass. RA is top notch... gives me chills, every time the keyboard solo comes in, and the guitar solo that would follow. YOU GO NOW
Is that a bootleg? I have a few, but I don't think I have that one. Do you have the date for it?
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SX is definitely one of my favourite bands. I think they are not as proggy as I might like them to be (especially with their latest release). One their best qualities for me would be the vocalist, Russell Allen (He rocks). He is one of my favourite singers, if not number one. Protip: check out "Live In Europe", specifically Through the Looking Glass. RA is top notch... gives me chills, every time the keyboard solo comes in, and the guitar solo that would follow. YOU GO NOW
Is that a bootleg? I have a few, but I don't think I have that one. Do you have the date for it?
I think he's talking about Live on the Edge of Forever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_on_the_Edge_of_Forever
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i found a playlist of live in europe (on the edge of forever)
https://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=21971C09E9330899&search_query=live+on+the+edge+of+forever
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SX is definitely one of my favourite bands. I think they are not as proggy as I might like them to be (especially with their latest release). One their best qualities for me would be the vocalist, Russell Allen (He rocks). He is one of my favourite singers, if not number one. Protip: check out "Live In Europe", specifically Through the Looking Glass. RA is top notch... gives me chills, every time the keyboard solo comes in, and the guitar solo that would follow. YOU GO NOW
Is that a bootleg? I have a few, but I don't think I have that one. Do you have the date for it?
I think he's talking about Live on the Edge of Forever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_on_the_Edge_of_Forever
oooooh yeah i have that, but i didn't recognize what he was calling it lolz
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SX is definitely one of my favourite bands. I think they are not as proggy as I might like them to be (especially with their latest release). One their best qualities for me would be the vocalist, Russell Allen (He rocks). He is one of my favourite singers, if not number one. Protip: check out "Live In Europe", specifically Through the Looking Glass. RA is top notch... gives me chills, every time the keyboard solo comes in, and the guitar solo that would follow. YOU GO NOW
Is that a bootleg? I have a few, but I don't think I have that one. Do you have the date for it?
I think he's talking about Live on the Edge of Forever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_on_the_Edge_of_Forever
Correct. Sorry, I just call it Live in Europe because I saw it like that once. Also, a fact that I like to repress is that "Live On The Edge Of Forever" lacks Edge Of Forever- My second favourite song by SX
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SX is definitely one of my favourite bands. I think they are not as proggy as I might like them to be (especially with their latest release). One their best qualities for me would be the vocalist, Russell Allen (He rocks). He is one of my favourite singers, if not number one. Protip: check out "Live In Europe", specifically Through the Looking Glass. RA is top notch... gives me chills, every time the keyboard solo comes in, and the guitar solo that would follow. YOU GO NOW
Is that a bootleg? I have a few, but I don't think I have that one. Do you have the date for it?
I think he's talking about Live on the Edge of Forever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_on_the_Edge_of_Forever
Correct. Sorry, I just call it Live in Europe because I saw it like that once. Also, a fact that I like to repress is that "Live On The Edge Of Forever" lacks Edge Of Forever- My second favourite song by SX
Dammit I noticed that the first time I saw it too :lol
My favorite song by them, and one of my top ten songs of all time :metal
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Symphony X is the closest thing to Power Metal that I have ever found to have songs that don't all sound identical.
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Does anyone feel that the first half of Twilight in Olympus is much better than the second half? Smoke and Mirrors to Through the Looking Glass is all amazing, but then The Relic, Orion The Hunter and Lady of the Snow aren't quite up to the same standard.
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Nah, The Relic, Orion and Lady of the Snow are all among my favourite songs. To me Twilight is the most balanced and varied album they've made to date.
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I love The Relic and Orion - The Hunter
Lady of the Snow, not so much, though it is good. And I agree Abydos, it is one of their most balanced albums, though the Damnation Game will always be my favorite
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Symphony X is the closest thing to Power Metal that I have ever found to have songs that don't all sound identical.
*chews straw* You'se been lis'nen to the wrong kinda powah metal, boy.
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I've heard two stories from a reliable source that I can't mention that he screwed over sg and Ayreon. I wish I would prove it but I don't want to start anything.
Sorry, but that kind of "I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who" crap doesn't fly here. You are starting something by making accusations about somebody's character with no backup whatsoever. If you don't have or can't reveal your source, and the information has clearly been passed through several individuals and filtered by you, don't post it. Simple as that. If you have an ax to grind, take it somewhere else. Your antics on that other forum I moderate got you in trouble there already. Believe me, I have no problem banning you from here if you keep it up.
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Wow Bosk you're a month late lolz
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Yeah, didn't see that until just now (as I was following up on something unrelated). But he (and others) needs to understand that that sort of gossip can get people into trouble.
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What does that even mean? Set The World on Fire has one of the best intros I've ever heard and it never ceases to amaze me.
I'll 2nd that. :metal
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SYMPHONY X SIGNS WITH NUCLEAR BLAST RECORDS. NEW ALBUM EXPECTED SPRING OF 2010 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Nuclear Blast is extremely proud to announce the signing of metal / prog gods SYMPHONY X !!!
SYMPHONY X exemplifies the technical sophistication of progressive metal while transcending the genre by writing amazing songs with masterful musicality and great hooks!
This New York based super group effortlessly creates a balancing act between solid, accessible arrangements and song structures with highly technical, challenging instrumental work and unbelievable melodic vocal harmonies. This embrace of polyphonic lead vocals, combined with their classical-sometimes even Queen-like choruses create a powerful, in-your-face mixture. With elements of thundering metal, rock, solos with unstoppable guitar shredding and intense keyboards - this potent group has grown with every release and is poised to compete with the commercial success of top groups in all genres!
SYMPHONY X is currently creating their next masterpiece, anticipated in the spring of 2010!
"We are happy to be the part of the Nuclear Blast Family and look forward to working with them for many years to come," says guitarist Michael Romeo.
https://www.nuclearblast.de/showDynamicPage.php?ident=newsdetail&nid=3234
Could a mod change the thread title in the OP to reflect the new news?
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Great news! :metal
Fingers crossed for European tour!
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Hell yeah! :metal
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Rock n Roll baby!!
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Spring 2010 :metal
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SYMPHONY X SIGNS WITH NUCLEAR BLAST RECORDS. NEW ALBUM EXPECTED SPRING OF 2010 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Nuclear Blast is extremely proud to announce the signing of metal / prog gods SYMPHONY X !!!
SYMPHONY X exemplifies the technical sophistication of progressive metal while transcending the genre by writing amazing songs with masterful musicality and great hooks!
This New York based super group effortlessly creates a balancing act between solid, accessible arrangements and song structures with highly technical, challenging instrumental work and unbelievable melodic vocal harmonies. This embrace of polyphonic lead vocals, combined with their classical-sometimes even Queen-like choruses create a powerful, in-your-face mixture. With elements of thundering metal, rock, solos with unstoppable guitar shredding and intense keyboards - this potent group has grown with every release and is poised to compete with the commercial success of top groups in all genres!
SYMPHONY X is currently creating their next masterpiece, anticipated in the spring of 2010!
"We are happy to be the part of the Nuclear Blast Family and look forward to working with them for many years to come," says guitarist Michael Romeo.
https://www.nuclearblast.de/showDynamicPage.php?ident=newsdetail&nid=3234
Could a mod change the thread title in the OP to reflect the new news?
Nice!!!! :metal
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Awesome, hopefully it's as good or better than Paradise Lost.
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Great news! Looking forward to a new album.
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Spring. That's extremely exciting.
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First Threshold, now Symphony X.
Could this become a trend? Perhaps the safer Progressive Metal bands will be moving to metal labels, leaving InsideOut a more traditional Prog-Rock label. Only time will tell I guess.
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The Odyssey survivor is running. Listen and vote. Or die in a fire
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Awesome, hopefully it's as good or better than Paradise Lost.
Hell yeah!
:metal
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Awesome, hopefully it's as good or better than Paradise Lost.
Hell yeah!
:metal
Personally, I'd rather see them strive towards a sound heard in Through the Looking Glass and The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
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Awesome, hopefully it's as good or better than Paradise Lost.
Hell yeah!
:metal
Personally, I'd rather see them strive towards a sound heard in Through the Looking Glass and The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
With Nuclear Blast (depending howm uch the label will affect the music), the sound will most likely stay heavy (Paradise Lost-heavy)
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Does anyone feel that the first half of Twilight in Olympus is much better than the second half? Smoke and Mirrors to Through the Looking Glass is all amazing, but then The Relic, Orion The Hunter and Lady of the Snow aren't quite up to the same standard.
Absolutely. It's no big secret that TiO was rushed to market by the Japanese label.
The main casualty of this was the title track, which was supposed to be a new
"Divine Wings" but was then left off the album because of lack of time. I think it
later formed the basis for Rediscovery Pt. II on V. And I think the generic riffing on
these later tracks on the Twilight album is probably another result of time pressure.
Plus there are a few oddly rough transitions in the better tracks that I imagine
would've been improved as well if the band had been given more time.
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Definitely agree about the first half being better. I do like Lady of the Snow though.
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YES this is the news that I was hoping
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Symphony X is an amazing band. They have some truly "epic" songs and I considered them up with Dream Theater in terms of good quality music.
Can't wait for the next CD. I really hope they go back to more of their progressive stuff and not more of their heavy stuff like from Paradise Lost.
Redragon
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I'd totally dig an album even heavier than PL.
But looks like i'm the only one who feels that way :)
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I'm all for a heavier album, but I'd also like to hear more songs like The Accolade with Russell's softer singing.
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I'm all for a heavier album, but I'd also like to hear more songs like The Accolade with Russell's softer singing.
Yeah, I always thought Accolade I and II were some of SX's best work.
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Awesome, hopefully it's as good or better than Paradise Lost.
Hell yeah!
:metal
Personally, I'd rather see them strive towards a sound heard in Through the Looking Glass and The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
With Nuclear Blast (depending howm uch the label will affect the music), the sound will most likely stay heavy (Paradise Lost-heavy)
That's a shame.
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Awesome, hopefully it's as good or better than Paradise Lost.
Hell yeah!
:metal
Personally, I'd rather see them strive towards a sound heard in Through the Looking Glass and The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
With Nuclear Blast (depending howm uch the label will affect the music), the sound will most likely stay heavy (Paradise Lost-heavy)
That's a shame.
Agreed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLJIQB69Pg
This is so badass! :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLJIQB69Pg
This is so badass! :metal
I have that CD :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLJIQB69Pg
This is so badass! :metal
(https://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/chodan9/HeadExplode.gif)
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My reaction exactly XianL. It's an infusion of Star War themed awesome straight into the front brain.
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Paradise Lost is now up in P/S
GO GO GO GO GO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_bwo4ndIQ
Has anyone else seen this interview? Towards the end I had to take a break from watching it every minute or so because the interviewer was so ridiculous. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_bwo4ndIQ
Has anyone else seen this interview? Towards the end I had to take a break from watching it every minute or so because the interviewer was so ridiculous. :lol
Yeah, wtf is that guy thinking?
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Forgot to bump for Consolation
Go vote in P/S
And I really want some news about the new album. It's been over a month since anything else has been said
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Here's the latest news from the SX forum:
Just got off the phone with MJR; he wishes everyone a Happy New Year and reports that the writing of the new cd is progressing well. He says that the riffs are written and all the ideas are there, they're just trying different arrangement ideas right now. We talked about how we're back to the usual routine of trying to find new ways to say the same old 'the band is writing the cd', and he said "It's hard to say. Every day is different, we're just doing our thing & trying to make the tunes cool. You put something together one day and then come back the next day & listen to it; sometimes it's cool, & sometimes it sucks & you have to change things around." They're still hoping to be done with the cd by spring.
So it definitely sound like we're getting the album in the spring. :metal
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:metal
Also, Finals are up now in P/S
Go vote you mo'fo's
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A Fool's Paradise has to be one of my favorite SX songs now...I never gave this album a whole lot of listening before, but man this song especially kicks ass.
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New Symphony X album by Spring 2010? Forget it.
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A Fool's Paradise has to be one of my favorite SX songs now...I never gave this album a whole lot of listening before, but man this song especially kicks ass.
Yeah that solo and unison is just unbelievable. V will always be my favourite album of theirs :metal
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is there an album comin out in the spring?
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is there an album comin out in the spring?
According to Michael Romeo yes there is. It's probably going to sound a lot like Paradise Lost since he said their going to be using a lot of ideas they couldn't fit onto PL.
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is there an album comin out in the spring?
According to Michael Romeo yes there is. It's probably going to sound a lot like Paradise Lost since he said their going to be using a lot of ideas they couldn't fit onto PL.
Just what I wanna hear. :metal
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is there an album comin out in the spring?
According to Michael Romeo yes there is. It's probably going to sound a lot like Paradise Lost since he said their going to be using a lot of ideas they couldn't fit onto PL.
Meh
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is there an album comin out in the spring?
According to Michael Romeo yes there is. It's probably going to sound a lot like Paradise Lost since he said their going to be using a lot of ideas they couldn't fit onto PL.
Terrible news. I want them to do original proggy stuff instead of generic metal leftovers from PL :metal
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is there an album comin out in the spring?
According to Michael Romeo yes there is. It's probably going to sound a lot like Paradise Lost since he said their going to be using a lot of ideas they couldn't fit onto PL.
Terrible news. I want them to do original proggy stuff instead of generic metal leftovers from PL :metal
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Well, that doesn't mean that it's going to be all metal. Who knows? The stuff that wasn't used could have been more progressive. I'm going to reserve judgement until I hear the album, but I actually liked Paradise Lost, so I don't care either way
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PL was the best album of 2007, bitches.
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I love the intro to The Odyssey(the song). I hope Dream Theater works on something like that.
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I hope not. They'll make it needlessly long most likely (Overture).
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First listen to Symphony X right now. Listening to The Odyssey. Good so far (I'm on "Accolade II"). I'm excited for "The Odyssey" though since I recently read The Odyssey. What album should I go to next?
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If you want metal that's going to crush your soul into a fine powder, go with Paradise Lost. If you want the awesome album with another 20 minute epic, go with Divine Wings of Tragedy.
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I say you listen to Twilight in Olympus. My second favorite SX album, and the one that got me into them.
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If you want metal that's going to crush your soul into a fine powder, go with Paradise Lost. If you want the awesome album with another 20 minute epic, go with Divine Wings of Tragedy.
Does PL have harsh vocals or something? What do you mean by soul-crushing metal? If you meant something similar to Train Of Thought compared to DT's discography then I'd probably go to that one.
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The vocals on PL aren't any more harsh than The Odyssey. It's generally freakishly heavy, really fast, and just, well, soul-crushing. It's the heaviest stuff they've done, and it is amazing.
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Alright well then that sounds like it'll cater to my musical interests more. Although, I am immensely looking forward to "The Odyssey" (on "King Of Terrors" right now). What is the rest of the other epic-containing album like, and also, sonatafanica, what's the one you recommended like?
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Divine Wings is very neo-classical. So is Twilight.
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For some reason, Odyssey beãts the living crap out of Paradise Lost. Imo
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For some reason, Odyssey beãts the living crap out of Paradise Lost. Imo
I agree
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Just finished The Odyssey. Good album. Not awesome (well some parts were), and not bad.
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Whatever you do you have to listen to at least three SX albums. The Divine Wings of Tragedy, Twilight in Olympus and V. Don't stop if you don't like one of those, just give the other a shot. All of them are great.
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Yup.
While PL and the Odyssey are good, I just feel that TDWOT and V have more quality to all their songs and they work better as albums.
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Their livealbum sounds incredible. Russell is flawless, never missing a note (granted I haven't heard all of it yet. Shut up :D)
No way dude. He improvised all over that performance to avoid getting winded so there are countless missed notes. That said, it's still an excellent live album and he is an awesomely charismatic frontman. I remember seeing them open for Blind Guardian in Dallas(a 400 mile drive from New Orleans) in November '02 and he was relentlessly energetic and just as thrilled to be performing as the audience was to see SX. I believe he has a "showmanship before perfection" ethic that suits him and the band really well so even though his live act is far from perfect I'll gladly take that compromise any day.
Only other annoyance was Michael Pinnella's choice to play all/most of his pre-V solos in that nasal patch he used extensively on V which had them sounding an octave lower which on top of Romeo's constant ad libbing away from his own solos really butchered some solo tradeoff sections.
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Considering there's most likely going to be a new tour this year, what songs would you like to see played live? I think Smoke & Mirrors is standard, so I wouldn't include it in your list.
inb4 The Odyssey :biggrin:
The Damnation Game
Sea of Lies
Seven
The Turning
The Relic
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You just remeinded me of how I wasn't able to see them when they came by in '07. :'(
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Considering there's most likely going to be a new tour this year, what songs would you like to see played live? I think Smoke & Mirrors is standard, so I wouldn't include it in your list.
inb4 The Odyssey :biggrin:
The Damnation Game
Sea of Lies
Seven
The Turning
The Relic
I agree with all these, especially Seven :metal and of course The Odyssey (no brainer).
Plus,
Accolade II
Fool's Paradise
Egypt
Awakenings
I'm sure they've played a lot of these live at some point, but the only time I've ever been able to see them live was Gigantour '05, so seeing them play a full length set will be quite a treat.
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Unfortunately, full length for SX is an hour and fifteen minutes...
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After giving The Odyssey a few more listens and a few days to be digested, I can say that is is a great album. I definitely like it more now then when I first listened to it :tup
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The vocals on PL aren't any more harsh than The Odyssey.
I strongly disagree. Other than the title track and part of one other, Russ doesn't vary from harsh mode the entire album. I mean, it's not more harsh than, say, King of Terrors. But it's like 90% of the album stays in that mode, which is fine if you like that kind of singing. I do, but I also like Russ' melodic side as well as all the vocal variety he is able to bring. PL has a great, heavy sound to it. But at the same time, it bores me because it almost never strays from the same exact sound you are hearing right from the first track.
Birchboy, not to throw a monkey wrench or anything, but I am going to offer completely different recommendations. You like heavy, and if you've listed to The Odyssey (the album) all the way through, you will have heard a pretty broad range of the band's sound, so I would definitely go with PL next. My only criticism of it is, again, the fact that it is very one-dimensional. But I suspect you would like it.
After that, V would be my recommendation. If you can get past the silly theme (mythology, etc.), it's probably their best album. Although I've definitely heard heavier things, the opening two tracks are the most metal album opening I've ever heard in my life. The album is well put together in almost every respect. If I had to compare the album's sound to something else, I would compare it to the title track of The Odyssey. If you like the way it sounds, you will most definitely like V.
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I couldn't get into V... I like a few of the songs, but that's it. And I really like Russell's more melodic side, too, which is why I love The Damnation Game.
Between TDG and TDWOT, something happened that seriously pissed off RA, and now he sound pissed off all the time :lol
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I couldn't agree with you more bosk. To use your words, the one-dimensionality of throughout most of Paradise Lost really detracts from the album in my opinion. I prefer the balance you hear in songs like Through the Looking Glass (from Twilight in Olympus).
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I couldn't agree with you more bosk. To use your words, the one-dimensionality of throughout most of Paradise Lost really detracts from the album in my opinion. I prefer the balance you hear in songs like Through the Looking Glass (from Twilight in Olympus).
Yeah, it could have been a spectacular album if they had only included a bit more of the variety they have shown they are capable of on earlier albums. But most times I listen to it, about 3/4 of the way through, I've having to check my CD player to make sure I didn't accidentally set it on auto-repeat after track 1. :lol
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I was just on Symphony X's Ulitmate Metal board, and someone spoke to Jason Rullo at NAMM, and apparently he said that the album will be heavier than PL, but also more progressive and dynamic
So, that sounds like a :metal mix to me, but I'll reserve judgement until I hear it
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PLM, that description sounds epic as fuck. Typical 'before album is out' talk though ya know? We'll see! I know I'm excited.
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PL is pure win from start to finish.
SX have made dozens of songs with softer vocals. No doubt they wanted more mainstream exposure with the heavier tracks.
I honestly have no idea why people don't appreciate PL. It's not their best album, but it's certainly not far off, IMO.
Album of 2007 for me.
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Between TDG and TDWOT, something happened that seriously pissed off RA, and now he sound pissed off all the time :lol
:lol
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I was just on Symphony X's Ulitmate Metal board, and someone spoke to Jason Rullo at NAMM, and apparently he said that the album will be heavier than PL, but also more progressive and dynamic
Opeth's style jumps to mind.
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After giving The Odyssey a few more listens and a few days to be digested, I can say that is is a great album. I definitely like it more now then when I first listened to it :tup
Same, I like it a lot more now than when I first heard it. I think it's one of my favorite albums now. :D
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The Odyssey was my first, and still my favorite SX album. :tup The last movements of the title track (Fate of the Suitors/Champion of Ithaca) are probably some of the most epic, inspiring pieces I've heard. Never gets old to listen to.
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Unfortunately, full length for SX is an hour and fifteen minutes...
Well, it's sure better than 30 minutes :P
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The Odyssey was my first, and still my favorite SX album. :tup The last movements of the title track (Fate of the Suitors/Chamption of Ithaca) are probably some of the most epic, inspiring pieces I've heard. Never gets old to listen to.
I'd say TDWOT(song) has an even more epic ending than The Odyssey
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The Odyssey was my first, and still my favorite SX album. :tup The last movements of the title track (Fate of the Suitors/Chamption of Ithaca) are probably some of the most epic, inspiring pieces I've heard. Never gets old to listen to.
I'd say TDWOT(song) has an even more epic ending than The Odyssey
The song seems to drag on, I think. As opposed to The Odyssey, which is lively from start to finish
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I'll just rate all the songs I've heard so far since I'm not the "Go through the whole album" style.
Yes, you can call me a NEWB in Symphony X.
Of Sins and Shadows 9/10
Very cool song. When I first heard it, my head just started banging automatically. Vocal is good but it isn't that memorable.
Sea of Lies 10/10
Really well-made composition of non-stop shredding. Gotta love the vocal here. And the Keyboard-Guitar unison sweeping is just insane.
The Pharaoh 8.5/10
I love the lyrics and vocal. Really addictive. But I have to say the other half of the song is kinda boring.
Inferno(Unleash the Fire) 9/10
Shredding song. The vocal's cool. But not that special song.
The Odyssey 10/10
This is the song that actually made me get into Symphony X. I was looking for a decent 20+ minute epic song aside from ACOS and Octa. Then this just struck me so hard. This song taught me the wide range of Russell's vocal and the whole band's creativity. Gotta love the TRIIIIUMMMPHANT CHAMPION OF ITHACAAAAA.
Masquerade 7/10
Kinda boring for me.
Now after I get bored of Odyssey, I'll start sweeping through Symphony X and Damnation.
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Do NOT start with Symphony X or Damnation Game. Trust me.
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Do NOT start with Symphony X or Damnation Game. Trust me.
WHY?!
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I'm not saying Damnation Game is bad. It's just definitely not for a newcomer.
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It wouldn't be his first album
I'd actually recommend Twilight In Olympus. There's a lot of variety on that album
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Yes, but there's still a metric fuckton of good music to find before you go trekking in Pre-TDWOT territory.
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TiO is post TDWOT :P
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derp. I was responding to your "It won't be his first album, though" comment. :P
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Specify next time, dammit!
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Give me some credit about my Symphony X knowledge, dammit!
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Nick, dammit!
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Symphony X is the band that has the closest sound to Dream Theater IMO.
Just to start a discussion, is it only me who thinks that Symphony X songs usually have boring riffs? Especially during verses.
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is it only me who thinks that Symphony X songs usually have boring riffs?
It's only you.
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Symphony X sounds nothing like Dream Theater.
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Boring riffs? Hell no. And yes, with the exception of that Panic Attack similarity in the intro of one song they sound nothing alike.
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If you think they have boring riffs just listen to Smoke & Mirrors :metal
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Symphony X sounds nothing like Dream Theater.
Nothing like DT? That's quite a stretch. They're definitely similar.
Now, Redemption sounds a lot more like DT imo
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Symphony X sounds nothing like Dream Theater.
Nothing like DT? That's quite a stretch. They're definitely similar.
Now, Redemption sounds a lot more like DT imo
I agree with this. Nick's guitar technique is very Petrucci like, especially the solos, but I love it.
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Just to start a discussion, is it only me who thinks that Symphony X songs usually have boring riffs? Especially during verses.
Inferno (Unleash the Fire) disagrees with you.
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Just to start a discussion, is it only me who thinks that Symphony X songs usually have boring riffs? Especially during verses.
Inferno (Unleash the Fire) disagrees with you.
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How are they similar? Different bass/guitar/drum/keys/vocal styles. SX have always been more power and less progressive with the exception of TiO.
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SX have always been more power and less progressive with the exception of TiO.
err, not really. I would say V: The New Mythology suite is easily more progressive than say Train of Thought. And the latter would still be considered progressive metal would it not?
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Emphasis on during the verses. Most of the riffs there are just alternate picking one string then scaling up and down.
Besides then which bands sound closer to Dream Theater? (I mean besides Queenscyre and Fates Warning)
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Yeah, because QR and FW sound so much like DT.
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The question is not which bands sound more like DT than Symphony X. The question is whether Symphony X sound like DT. They do not.
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Yup. Boooww doowwn... I've recently "rediscovered" them and realized how much I've missed Romeo's playing and the rest of the band. Love the keys, especially when he plays those Christmass-like chimes.
Oh and the riffs in the verses of The Eyes of Medusa is pretty damn sick if you ask me.
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Yup. Boooww doowwn... I've recently "rediscovered" them and realized how much I've missed Romeo's playing and the rest of the band. Love the keys, especially when he plays those Christmass-like chimes.
Oh and the riffs in the verses of The Eyes of Medusa is pretty damn sick if you ask me.
NUGGETZ
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:lol I missed that.
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Oh and the riffs in the verses of The Eyes of Medusa is pretty damn sick if you ask me.
Yes. That is such a :2metal: song.
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New update:
Spoke to Mike today, and he sounded really happy about the progress that the band's making on the new cd. "Technically, we could be done" he said. "I put together some pre-production mixes for us to listen to, and it's all solid. We have over an hour of really good stuff that we really dig; there's more than enough stuff there that we can choose the best songs to go on the cd..but all of the songs are really strong. And there are two almost-done songs that we're going to try to wrap up in the next few days as well, one is shaping up to be 10 minutes plus; it's really cool stuff that we gotta use." He and Russell have started working through lyrics, and the band plans to start tracking in early March. "I think everyone will like it" he said, "it has a little bit of everything."
I'm really excited!!
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Goddammit I was just about to post that
It's what I get for being a few minutes behind :facepalm:
Oh well, it sounds like it's coming along very well
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At the very least, this will probably be a good album.
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Im excited! I wonder if it'll be a concept album like Octavarium...
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Oh, you!
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Im excited! I wonder if it'll be a concept album like Octavarium...
:splodetard:
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New update:
Spoke to Mike today, and he sounded really happy about the progress that the band's making on the new cd. "Technically, we could be done" he said. "I put together some pre-production mixes for us to listen to, and it's all solid. We have over an hour of really good stuff that we really dig; there's more than enough stuff there that we can choose the best songs to go on the cd..but all of the songs are really strong. And there are two almost-done songs that we're going to try to wrap up in the next few days as well, one is shaping up to be 10 minutes plus; it's really cool stuff that we gotta use." He and Russell have started working through lyrics, and the band plans to start tracking in early March. "I think everyone will like it" he said, "it has a little bit of everything."
I'm really excited!!
Do Want.
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Sounds promising, although I hope it won't be as heavy as Paradise lost.
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Sounds promising, although I hope it won't be as heavy as Paradise lost.
Some parts of the album are leftovers from Paradise Lost so it's likely it will have bits that are that heavy. There's also a chance that those bits didn't make it onto Paradise Lost because they didn't fit the heavy sound of it though. So it could be anything.
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Had NO idea it was coming this soon, I'm excited, but this:
New update:
"I think everyone will like it" he said, "it has a little bit of everything."
Has me a little concerned. I'm sure it'l be a good album, but I had hoped for more of a unified theme. (Concept album do want, I suppose :P)
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Just got off the phone with MJR, & have a brief update to share.
Things are moving right along with the new cd! The music is all finished, and Jason arrived in New Jersey this week; they're starting drum tracks today. Mike has promised to get photos of the recording sessions, so we should have the first of those to share next week; stay tuned.
Sweet :metal
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Epic :metal
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Swepic :metal
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Swepic :metal
Swepic?
Anyways, that's awesome news.
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Sweep Pick :metal
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Swepic :metal
Swepic?
Sweet + epic = Swepic
Sweep Pick :metal
This also works too
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Listening to some V: TNMS right now. GODDAMIT, THEY NEED A FUCKING CONCERT W/ORCHESTRA NAO!
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Dammit, I thought there was going to be news because of the bump. It's been so long since we've gotten any news from the band.
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Dammit, I thought there was going to be news because of the bump. It's been so long since we've gotten any news from the band.
You haven't gotten used to that by now? They're right up there with Tool in terms of farting around except I can understand it on their end a little more since they seem to be extremely at the mercy of their label or other business associates to the point where they seem far from being able to call their own shots and thus probably run into delays from time to time that are out of their control.
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Yeah, plus Russell has also just recorded with Tobias for the latest Avantasia project, and Russell has also recently done vocals with Magnus Karlsson for the third Jorn Lande/Russell Allen album 'The Showdown.' So we can forgive the band for not many updates. I'm sure Romeo is hard at work.
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I'm sure Romeo is hard at work.
I'll say! Those Capulets are a hard bunch to win over. I'd end up killing myself if faced with such a challenge.
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I'm sure Romeo is hard at work.
I'll say! Those Capulets are a hard bunch to win over. I'd end up killing myself if faced with such a challenge.
:facepalm:
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The chorus of Paradise Lost is beautiful. :heart
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I'm sure Romeo is hard at work.
I'll say! Those Capulets are a hard bunch to win over. I'd end up killing myself if faced with such a challenge.
:lolpalm: :clap:
Fix'd
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The chorus of Paradise Lost is beautiful. :heart
that is actually playing on my playlist right now...great tune, indeed
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I'm sure Romeo is hard at work.
I'll say! Those Capulets are a hard bunch to win over. I'd end up killing myself if faced with such a challenge.
:lolpalm: :clap:
rofl
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The chorus of Paradise Lost is beautiful. :heart
Yup :heart
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The lack of news is disturbing considering the album is (as far as we know) set to be released in the next two or so months
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The lack of news is disturbing considering the album is (as far as we know) set to be released in the next two or so months
Sauce?
All the news thread on their site says is "spring".
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The lack of news is disturbing considering the album is (as far as we know) set to be released in the next two or so months
Don't hold your breath. I've seen SX albums pushed back close to a year from the original tentative release date in some cases.
Sauce?
All the news thread on their site says is "spring".
"Within the next two or so months" would be spring except for the last two weeks.
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The lack of news is disturbing considering the album is (as far as we know) set to be released in the next two or so months
Sauce?
All the news thread on their site says is "spring".
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/symphonyx-166
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Oh I didn't even know they had a new album in the works.
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
V
DO IT!
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
That album's awesome, you must be doing it wrong.
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
That album's awesome, you must be doing it wrong.
How do you do an album wrong? :|
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
(https://ants.planet.ee/trap/get%20the%20fuck%20out.jpg)
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
That album's awesome, you must be doing it wrong.
How do you do an album wrong? :|
I don't even know. Ask Sigz.
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:lol Well I just put it on again. Still meh. I think it's more because my interest in this kind of music has severly waned, so I doubt I'll get into it any time soon. Oh well, I tried.
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I really haven't been able to get into SX. I have The Odyssey, but it really doesn't do much for me.
That is all.
I used to like them but I just can't listen to them anymore.
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:lol Well I just put it on again. Still meh. I think it's more because my interest in this kind of music has severly waned, so I doubt I'll get into it any time soon. Oh well, I tried.
I gotta say, when I picked up a couple of their albums at first, I didn't like them either, nor did I like Russell Allen. Given time, I don't know what I was thinking, Russell IMO now is one of the best in the world. Just check Odyssey on every now and then, you never know, it may just click one day.
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:lol Well I just put it on again. Still meh. I think it's more because my interest in this kind of music has severly waned, so I doubt I'll get into it any time soon. Oh well, I tried.
To each their own, I guess. To be honest I haven't listened to Symphony X in ages 'cos I've been listening to different styles of music but they're perfect if I'm in the right mood.
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The Serpent's Kiss is probably the weakest track on Paradise Lost and I don't understand why they chose it for a music video.
Set the World on Fire was a great choice though.
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I like The Serpent's Kiss but it's certainly not one of the standout tracks from Paradise Lost either.
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Agree.
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Agree.
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Agree.
That's right, I just agreed with myself.
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Agree.
That's right, I just agreed with myself.
I don't see a problem with that at all.
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Agree.
That's right, I just agreed with myself.
I don't see a problem with that at all.
Agreed.
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The Damnation Game is the best them :metal :metal
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It's good but it's not that good.
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Paradise Lost wins so easily that it's not even close to funny.
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I actually would say The Odyssey is my fav. Divine Wings and V come in close.
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The Odyssey, V and Twilight in Olympus are the best them.
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I don't get V. It has a few really awesome songs, but I get extremely bored when I listen to it as a whole.
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I don't get V. It has a few really awesome songs, but I get extremely bored when I listen to it as a whole.
V takes a lot longer to get into than some of the others IMO.
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i still havent been able to get into it. Easily my least favorite
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i still havent been able to get into it. Easily my least favorite
Even below the self titled?
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shit i forgot about that one lol. Second least favorite then
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i still havent been able to get into it. Easily my least favorite
Even below the self titled?
I find that hard to comprehend too.
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shit i forgot about that one lol. Second least favorite then
That's better.
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The Divine Wings of Tragedy is the best them for me. IT'S A PERFECT MOTHERFUCKING MASTERPIECE. Next, Paradise Lost and next, The Damnation Game (However I find The Odyssey and Twilight in Olympus very good, Twilight being criminally underrated). I'm slowly getting into V, and I'm starting to like it. Also:
V takes a lot longer to get into than some of the others IMO.
This without a doubt.
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Twilight being criminally underrated).
This
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You know, everyone says Twilight is underrated but it gets talked about and appreciated just as much as the other albums.
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Haven't seen people who do that (I guess I'll have to lurk moar), I think it's the SX album people talk less about (Of course after the self-titled).
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Twilight in Olympus is my second or 3rd favorite album (it can change)
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I don't understand it's hard to get into V. V is the album that got me hooked into Symphony, now Twilight or Divine. The whole album's so intense. And though this might be a controversial statement, but for me, V > SFAM.
On another topic, I was quite shocked when I first heard Masquerade. Allen's voice seemed a bit immature in that album.
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You know, everyone says Twilight is underrated but it gets talked about and appreciated just as much as the other albums.
Lately perhaps but not quite in the grand scheme of things. People defend it here and there but hardly anyone if anyone at all claims it as their fave. That aside I gotta go with Divine Wings as my fave. It's got a very good balance of heaviness/songwriting/virtuosity(without venturing into wank.) Also, I can handle folks ranking the self-titled as their least favorite but to call it a bad album is a stretch. Bad vocals? Yes (imo.) Rough around the edges? For 99% of all recorded bands ever? Not at all. For SX when compared to all their other albums? Sure, but I find the dissent toward that album apalling given that it set the foundation for their sound and had some excellent tracks like The Raging Season and Absinthe and Rue which mercilessly own the vast majority of the best songs ever made by a fair amount of other metal bands. The Damnation game was a fantastic debut for Russell and The Edge of Forever may never be overtaken as my favorite SX song.
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On another topic, I was quite shocked when I first heard Masquerade. Allen's voice seemed a bit immature in that album.
That's because Allen doesn't sing on the S/T :P
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On another topic, I was quite shocked when I first heard Masquerade. Allen's voice seemed a bit immature in that album.
That's because Allen doesn't sing on the S/T :P
:|
(https://www.grapesofrad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/FUUUU.jpeg)
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On another topic, I was quite shocked when I first heard Masquerade. Allen's voice seemed a bit immature in that album.
That's because Allen doesn't sing on the S/T :P
:|
(https://www.grapesofrad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/FUUUU.jpeg)
Were you referring to the 1998 version? He does sing on that, but the original is sung by Rod Tyler. Who didn't really do a good job on the album :P
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Lack of my research I guess. Symphony X deserves more love from me. *researches*
I agree that Rod Tyler guy is... not as good.
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You wanna know what's criminallyunderrated? Rediscovery Part II: The New Mythology.
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underrated
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/demotivator/Thatword.jpg)
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I always thought that fans loved Rediscovery
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Yeah, that song isn't under rated at all.
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On another topic, I was quite shocked when I first heard Masquerade. Allen's voice seemed a bit immature in that album.
That's because Allen doesn't sing on the S/T :P
:|
(https://www.grapesofrad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/FUUUU.jpeg)
Yeah. But they did redo the song with Russ and included it as a bonus track on The Odyssey.
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I don't get V. It has a few really awesome songs, but I get extremely bored when I listen to it as a whole.
V takes a lot longer to get into than some of the others IMO.
I agree. When I first heard it I couldn't catch on the first time. I stowed it away for a while, rediscovered it (:neverusethis:), and it's definitely crept its way towards the top of my favorite albums.
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You wanna know what's criminallyunderrated? Rediscovery Part II: The New Mythology.
again because it's true.
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You wanna know what's criminallyunderrated? Rediscovery Part II: The New Mythology.
again because it's true.
Don't care if it's underrated. It's probably one of my most favorite SymphX song.
But the best of best is still On The Breath of Poseidon.
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You wanna know what's criminallyunderrated? Rediscovery Part II: The New Mythology.
again because it's true.
underrated
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/demotivator/Thatword.jpg)
again, because it's true
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You wanna know what's criminallyunderrated? Rediscovery Part II: The New Mythology.
again because it's true.
Other than people who don't like the whole of V for some messed up reason, how can it be under rated when no one disagrees with you that it's a good song?
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You wanna know what's criminallyunderrated? Rediscovery Part II: The New Mythology.
again because it's true.
underrated
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/demotivator/Thatword.jpg)
again, because it's true
Aw, I bet you were just waiting for an opportunity to use that picture, huh? I'm glad I could oblige. Unfortunately you've wasted it because it doesn't even work in this context. :(
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Actually, no. It exactly works. As most of the posts after yours have indicated, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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That truly is a brilliant tactic for debates, to just say the other person doesn't know what they're talking about! It's clearly a far better solution than, I don't know, accepting that your opinion is not universally held.
Do you think that you can understand my perspective better than I can? Because, from my perspective, the song really doesn't get the praise/recognition it deserves.
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Can you not see it wasn't just Bosk who thought your comment was odd?
Is it that difficult to sense that the people here generally really like the song and consider it to be well liked amongst fans? If that's the case how can it possibly be "criminally" underrated? I mean a case could be made that it's slightly underrated, that fans like it a good deal but should perhaps like it a tad more, but to say it's criminally underrated seems to be completely out of left field.
Edit: On a side note, I will say that Trial of Tears is criminally underrated. See how silly that sounds? Sure, it's not as popular as A Change of Seasons or Octavarium, but it's regularly voted either the best or 2nd best on the album and certainly a fan favorite overall.
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Can you not see it wasn't just Bosk who thought your comment was odd?
Is it that difficult to sense that the people here generally really like the song and consider it to be well liked amongst fans? If that's the case how can it possibly be "criminally" underrated? I mean a case could be made that it's slightly underrated, that fans like it a good deal but should perhaps like it a tad more, but to say it's criminally underrated seems to be completely out of left field.
Edit: On a side note, I will say that Trial of Tears is criminally underrated. See how silly that sounds? Sure, it's not as popular as A Change of Seasons or Octavarium, but it's regularly voted either the best or 2nd best on the album and certainly a fan favorite overall.
Well, you can debate whether criminally is too a strong a word if you like, but bosk1 was saying that to call it underrated at all implied that I didn't know what I was talking about. That just seems like a pointless way of dismissing someone elses perspective entirely, as I already said.
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Hey guys what's going on in here.
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Symphony X RULEZEZZZ :metal :metal :metal :metal :metalmettttttaaaallll
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Hey guys what's going on in here.
You could read the previous page.
Symphony X RULEZEZZZ :metal :metal :metal :metal :metalmettttttaaaallll
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Hey guys what's going on in here.
You could read the previous page.
I did. I was trying to be funny. :-\
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Hey guys what's going on in here.
You could read the previous page.
I did. I was trying to be funny. :-\
;)
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My favourite is V, for Communion and the Oracle, Rediscovery, Pt. 2: The New Mythology, The Death of Balance/Lacrymosa, On the Breath of Poseidon, and (to a lesser extent) Fallen. It's very closely followed by Dark Wings, for the title track and The Accolade. Then it's Twilight in Olympus, for Smoke and Mirrors, Church of The Machine, Lady of the Snow, and my all-time favourite SX track, Through the Looking Glass.
No need to thank me for breaking the tension... ;)
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Dark Wings
Is this an unreleased album?
:neverusethis:
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Dark Wings
Is this an unreleased album?
Damn. Divine Wings, how bout that? I always get them mixed up, don't you?
:neverusethis:
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So I heard the new Masquerade with Allen.
Damn, I'm so proud of that guy.
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
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The Divine Wings of Tragedy or Twilight in Olympus.
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
V
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
V
and then divine wings.
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
V
and then divine wings.
and then twilight.
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
V
and then divine wings.
and then twilight.
and then the odyssey.
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i would suggest twilight first. Its a lot more diverse than v and its not a chore to get through.
Then get the damnation game
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The Divine Wings of Tragedy.
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Then get the damnation game
Don't be that guy.
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Then get the damnation game
Don't be that guy.
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Then get the damnation game
Don't be that guy.
What? It's a 10/10 album
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
Divine Wings of Tragedy is probably the best representation of their sound (Damnation, Twilight, Odyssey are all similar though not quite as good). After that, pick up V and Paradise Lost to get their most prog and their most heavy albums, and then cycle back to get whatever albums you missed.
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I would personally start with V, Twilight, and Wings.
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The Odyssey is the best to start with.
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I would personally start with V, Twilight, and Wings.
This. And in that order
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Then get the damnation game
Don't be that guy.
What? It's a 10/10 album
10/10 in your rating, or critics?
Damnation Game is not bad, actually good, but the point is there are better albums.
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Then get the damnation game
Don't be that guy.
What? It's a 10/10 album
10/10 in your rating, or critics?
Damnation Game is not bad, actually good, but the point is there are better albums.
By my rating.
And according to me there aren't better albums. It's my favorite. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong because every suggestion in this thread is subjective
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I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, I am however going to say in a thread when someone asks for an album recommendation from a band they're thinking of getting into you should generally try suggesting an album that is held to be good by the general fan base. I'm not saying to disregard your own opinion, but you should probably mention your favorite of the albums that are generally held to be the band's best, which would be anything from Divine to Odyssey.
In short, although you might find Damnation to be their best, judging by the fan base at large he has a much greater chance of enjoying one of the other albums I mentioned.
Edit: For example, Scarsick is my favorite Pain of Salvation album, but I know it's disliked by a large part of the PoS fan base, so if I were to give a serious recommendation I'd go with either Remedy Lane or The Perfect Element.
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I'd say V., Wings, and Odyssey :tup
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Then get the damnation game
Don't be that guy.
What? It's a 10/10 album
10/10 in your rating, or critics?
Damnation Game is not bad, actually good, but the point is there are better albums.
By my rating.
And according to me there aren't better albums. It's my favorite. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong because every suggestion in this thread is subjective
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your opinion is wrong. :neverusethis:
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Which Symphony X CD should I buy first?
V
The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
Buy both.
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Thank you for your input folks. But after looking up the CDs on wiki I have decided to go with The Odyssey. A 24 minute song inspired by the story The Odyssey is too tempting for me.
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Thank you for your input folks. But after looking up the CDs on wiki I have decided to go with The Odyssey. A 24 minute song inspired by the story The Odyssey is too tempting for me.
4-minute disney-core intro ftw :metal :metal :metal
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Intriguing...
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I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, I am however going to say in a thread when someone asks for an album recommendation from a band they're thinking of getting into you should generally try suggesting an album that is held to be good by the general fan base. I'm not saying to disregard your own opinion, but you should probably mention your favorite of the albums that are generally held to be the band's best, which would be anything from Divine to Odyssey.
In short, although you might find Damnation to be their best, judging by the fan base at large he has a much greater chance of enjoying one of the other albums I mentioned.
Edit: For example, Scarsick is my favorite Pain of Salvation album, but I know it's disliked by a large part of the PoS fan base, so if I were to give a serious recommendation I'd go with either Remedy Lane or The Perfect Element.
I recommended it second, in case you forgot :P
It has a lot of more progressive elements that a fan of Dream Theater would be drawn to though. At least that's how I see it
Plus, The Edge of Forever. Come on
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Plus, The Edge of Forever. Come on
:heart
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Plus, The Edge of Forever. Come on
:heart
:metal
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Thank you for your input folks. But after looking up the CDs on wiki I have decided to go with The Odyssey. A 24 minute song inspired by the story The Odyssey is too tempting for me.
Great choice, The Odyssey is awesome. (the song and the album) :)
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Thank you for your input folks. But after looking up the CDs on wiki I have decided to go with The Odyssey. A 24 minute song inspired by the story The Odyssey is too tempting for me.
Great choice, The Odyssey is awesome. (the song and the album) :)
The song is great, the album is weaksauce.
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Thank you for your input folks. But after looking up the CDs on wiki I have decided to go with The Odyssey. A 24 minute song inspired by the story The Odyssey is too tempting for me.
Great choice, The Odyssey is awesome. (the song and the album) :)
The song is great, the album is weaksauce.
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out of their epics, I prefer DWOT over the odyssey very much. but they're both pretty awesome
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Thank you for your input folks. But after looking up the CDs on wiki I have decided to go with The Odyssey. A 24 minute song inspired by the story The Odyssey is too tempting for me.
Great choice, The Odyssey is awesome. (the song and the album) :)
The song is great, I am weaksauce.
Fix'd
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I don't remember saying that...
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I don't remember saying that...
That's cuz his quote has an American accent on it.
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I don't remember saying that...
That's cuz his quote has an American accent on it.
Oh yeah, eh? I forgot about that, eh?
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aboot
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Great choice, The Odyssey is awesome. (the song and the album) :)
The song is great, I am weaksauce.
Fix'd
Nicely done :lol
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aboot
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It's pronounced "a big shoe"!
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From the SX facebook page:
I think we've gotten the update process all sorted out between the band & me & management & the label (new label = new way of doing things, hence the delay since my last update). Called MJR today & am waiting for him to return my call so I can get an update written up.. hoping to have some news up here & on the band's sites by the end of the week at the latest. :D
-Jax, SymX Staff
So hopefully some good news soon :metal
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I listened to V last night, pretty good :yarr
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V is awesome :metal
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I listened to V last night, pretty good :yarr
Pretty good? DAMN GOOD! :metal :metal
In the future, I'll go and watch a sunrise in a beach while listening to On the Breath of Poseidon. That would blow my mind greatly.
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No, just pretty good. LOL there's a part in Pharaoh where it sounds like Metropolis.
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No, just pretty good. LOL there's a part in Pharaoh where it sounds like Metropolis.
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Which part in Pharaoh? BTW that track is probably my favorite off the divine wings.
My rank on Divine Wings.
9. Candlelight Fantasia(Accolade is much better IMO)
8. Sea of Lies(Bit overplayed)
7. The Witching Hour
6. Out of the Ashes
5. Of Sins and Shadows
4. The Accolade
3. Pharaoh
2. The Eyes of Medusa
1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
In short, The Eyes of Medusa is :metal :metal :metal
I don't need to say anything about the title track anyway.
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From the SX facebook page:
I think we've gotten the update process all sorted out between the band & me & management & the label (new label = new way of doing things, hence the delay since my last update). Called MJR today & am waiting for him to return my call so I can get an update written up.. hoping to have some news up here & on the band's sites by the end of the week at the latest. :D
-Jax, SymX Staff
So hopefully some good news soon :metal
So the news is that news will be coming soon? Sweet! :lolpalm:
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No, just pretty good. LOL there's a part in Pharaoh where it sounds like Metropolis.
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Which part in Pharaoh? BTW that track is probably my favorite off the divine wings.
My rank on Divine Wings.
9. Candlelight Fantasia(Accolade is much better IMO)
8. Sea of Lies(Bit overplayed)
7. The Witching Hour
6. Out of the Ashes
5. Of Sins and Shadows
4. The Accolade
3. Pharaoh
2. The Eyes of Medusa
1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
In short, The Eyes of Medusa is :metal :metal :metal
I don't need to say anything about the title track anyway.
It's after the halfway mark, it must be an instrumental section.
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No, just pretty good. LOL there's a part in Pharaoh where it sounds like Metropolis.
:|
Which part in Pharaoh? BTW that track is probably my favorite off the divine wings.
My rank on Divine Wings.
9. Candlelight Fantasia(Accolade is much better IMO)
8. Sea of Lies(Bit overplayed)
7. The Witching Hour
6. Out of the Ashes
5. Of Sins and Shadows
4. The Accolade
3. Pharaoh
2. The Eyes of Medusa
1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
In short, The Eyes of Medusa is :metal :metal :metal
I don't need to say anything about the title track anyway.
How is Sea of Lies overplayed?
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No, just pretty good. LOL there's a part in Pharaoh where it sounds like Metropolis.
:|
Which part in Pharaoh? BTW that track is probably my favorite off the divine wings.
My rank on Divine Wings.
9. Candlelight Fantasia(Accolade is much better IMO)
8. Sea of Lies(Bit overplayed)
7. The Witching Hour
6. Out of the Ashes
5. Of Sins and Shadows
4. The Accolade
3. Pharaoh
2. The Eyes of Medusa
1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
In short, The Eyes of Medusa is :metal :metal :metal
I don't need to say anything about the title track anyway.
Pah! More like this:
9. The Witching Hour
8. Candlelight Fantasia
7. Out of the Ashes
6. Of Sins and Shadows
5. Sea of Lies
4. The Eyes of Medusa
3. Pharaoh
2. The Accolade
1. TDWOT
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The Witching Hour has one of the most epic chorus ever! How can you put it at the bottom? Besides, the main riff is sick as hell. I just don't really like the masquerade-ish intro.
I'm just sick of Sea of Lies. Though it's a good song, it doesn't last as long as other songs.
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Candlelight Fantasia is awesome, forget you guys :metal
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Candlelight Fantasia is awesome, forget you guys :metal
Seriouslyyyyy wtf. Candelight is totally a top track on that album imo <3
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I'd rank 'em like this:
1. Out of the ashes
2. The Eyes of medusa
3. Candlelight fantasia
4. Of sins and shadows
5. The Divine wings of tragedy
6. Sea of lies
7. The Witching hour
8. Pharaoh
9. The Accolade
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I'd rank 'em like this:
1. Out of the ashes
2. The Eyes of medusa
3. Candlelight fantasia
4. Of sins and shadows
5. The Divine wings of tragedy
6. Sea of lies
7. The Witching hour
8. Pharaoh
9. The Accolade
I don't mind Out of the Ashes being number 1, but how can Accolade be at the bottom? >:(
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We need some damn news. Now.
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
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News just in. Symphony X are super cool. That is all.
Oh my mistake, this isn't news.
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
It took three janitors to get it cleaned up and we were all so-
wait wut?
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
It took three janitors to get it cleaned up and we were all so-
wait wut?
I'd say this kind of talk belongs in a King Crimson thread.
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
It took three janitors to get it cleaned up and we were all so-
wait wut?
I'd say this kind of talk belongs in a King Crimson thread.
Do we have one?
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
It took three janitors to get it cleaned up and we were all so-
wait wut?
I'd say this kind of talk belongs in a King Crimson thread.
(https://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/luminegs/1225978962549s.jpg)
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
It took three janitors to get it cleaned up and we were all so-
wait wut?
I'd say this kind of talk belongs in a King Crimson thread.
Do we have one?
The search feature seems to indicate no. Someone should make one.
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Well today I had a party in AP World celebrating the end of the course, and this girl baked all this stuff and we played chess and their was Mountain Dew and we had a double period and-
oh you meant Symphony X news. :neverusethis:
My god the blood! :omg:
It took three janitors to get it cleaned up and we were all so-
wait wut?
I'd say this kind of talk belongs in a King Crimson thread.
Do we have one?
The search feature seems to indicate no. Someone should make one.
Actually, the search function indicates yes. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=3857.0
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^ Typed "king crimson thread" into the search field but not with the quotes and got this:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?action=search2
With quotes on it I actually got no results. Our search engine's capabilities leave much to be desired.
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You were just being too specific.
Anyways, Symphony X is a pretty cool band.
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You were just being too specific.
Anyways, Symphony X is a pretty cool band.
Stop derailing my fucking derail!
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Okay, fine. This is now the King Crimson thread.
I don't really seem to like Discipline as much as a lot of people seem to after my first couple listens.
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Okay, fine. This is now the King Crimson thread.
I don't really seem to like Discipline as much as a lot of people seem to after my first couple listens.
:clap: :heart
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I know this is Symphony X we're talking about and they take forever to do anything but with an album all but finished you'd think we would be getting more news than this.
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I know. It seems they've been recording since February...
Jax says it's a label thing, but I'm not convinced
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You'd think we'd be getting even more news than usual because the label wants to hype up their newly signed band.
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Forgot to post here that I listened to The Damnation Game just last week, good stuff. I like.
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Forgot to post here that I listened to The Damnation Game just last week, good stuff. I like.
I consider it their Morningrise(Opeth for the 3 or so members on this forum that aren't familiar.) Second album that shows a decent bit of coming into their comfort zone while exhibiting a growing confidence while still having that fun "anything goes" feel to it thanks to not being bound by fans' expectations and is thoroughly under-appreciated by a sizable chunk of their fanbase.
Very great album and far too many folks fail to realize that the improvements made on this album paved the way for Divine Wings which would become the favorite of most fans until The Odyssey and Paradise Lost brought in a newer regime who are at times very guilty of ignoring their earlier works. Even more impressive about it setting up Divine wings stylistically is that it was preceded by easily the least favorite of their fanbase(self-titled.)
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The Damnation Game is far and away my favorite Symphony X album.
I :heart it
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When I read SPNKr's post, I just knew PLM would be down there responding. :lol
Damnation Game. Good album. That there album is good. Yes sir.
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News!
Just spoke with MJR and here's the latest scoop! Mike said that the drums and most of the rhythm guitars are all recorded. At the moment, they are fine tuning the lyrics and melodies, during which time Russ will also be recording his vocals. Personally, I get more excited about this cd the more Mike tells me about it; I am quite secure in saying that it will be well worth the wait.
While the band is busy working on the cd, we'd like to keep you busy as well; the band needs your help, in two areas. Firstly: the existing FAQ on the band's website was put together when 'The Odyssey' came out; obviously that was quite a while ago and lots has changed since then, including some significant gear/endorsement changes as well as a label change. So that's where you come in: help us put together a new FAQ for the new website. What do you want to ask the band? PLEASE do not send in questions like 'when are you going to play [insert location]?' or 'when will you make a dvd?'; best to stick to general information questions if you want the band to answer them. Send in your questions to symxfaq[at]gmail.com with "FAQ" in the subject line, and they'll be sent to the band; who knows, your question may show up in the FAQ on the band's new site! For those who have been wondering, we're anticipating that the new site will launch around the same time as the new cd.
Secondly: what band(s) would you like to see tour with/open for Symphony X? Who do you think would match best with SymX, or bring in a good crowd? Send your suggestions to symxfaq[at]gmail.com and perhaps you'll get to see the band you choose on SymX's next tour.
That's it for now; hopefully now that we've gotten the update process all ironed out, our news updates will be a lot more regular again. Thanks for your patience!
Jax
SymX Staff
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I would love to see Symphony X tour with Redemption.
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I wish there would be more news about what the album is actually sounding like. :-\
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I would love to see Symphony X tour with Redemption.
I heard something about a possible nevermore and symphony x tour previously... but redemption would be sweet!
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I would love to see Symphony X tour with Redemption.
I heard something about a possible nevermore and symphony x tour previously... but redemption would be sweet!
Nevermore's going to be touring with Warbringer, so that's doubtful.
Of course, this album probably won't be out until 2012, so they'll probably be free by then.
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News!
Just spoke with MJR and here's the latest scoop! Mike said that the drums and most of the rhythm guitars are all recorded. At the moment, they are fine tuning the lyrics and melodies, during which time Russ will also be recording his vocals. Personally, I get more excited about this cd the more Mike tells me about it; I am quite secure in saying that it will be well worth the wait.
While the band is busy working on the cd, we'd like to keep you busy as well; the band needs your help, in two areas. Firstly: the existing FAQ on the band's website was put together when 'The Odyssey' came out; obviously that was quite a while ago and lots has changed since then, including some significant gear/endorsement changes as well as a label change. So that's where you come in: help us put together a new FAQ for the new website. What do you want to ask the band? PLEASE do not send in questions like 'when are you going to play [insert location]?' or 'when will you make a dvd?'; best to stick to general information questions if you want the band to answer them. Send in your questions to symxfaq[at]gmail.com with "FAQ" in the subject line, and they'll be sent to the band; who knows, your question may show up in the FAQ on the band's new site! For those who have been wondering, we're anticipating that the new site will launch around the same time as the new cd.
Secondly: what band(s) would you like to see tour with/open for Symphony X? Who do you think would match best with SymX, or bring in a good crowd? Send your suggestions to symxfaq[at]gmail.com and perhaps you'll get to see the band you choose on SymX's next tour.
That's it for now; hopefully now that we've gotten the update process all ironed out, our news updates will be a lot more regular again. Thanks for your patience!
Jax
SymX Staff
Sorry if this sounds nitpicky but it seems pretty damn ungrateful to ask folks to contribute to something that will help the band's website but place immediate restrictions on it. I get the "don't ask if they're gonna play [city] any time soon" since it's pretty narrow as to how many fans would benefit from knowing about just one specific city but something like a DVD question is definitely a frequently asked question by their fanbase especially since they've never made an official one and to my knowledge have only been on Gigantour's DVD.
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How is that ungrateful? Information about a DVD isn't something I would put in a FAQ.
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How is that ungrateful? Information about a DVD isn't something I would put in a FAQ.
Because as I stated they have never released an official Symphony X DVD and I'd bet a good chunk of their fanbase(definitely me) would very much like to know if they have any plans of action on it so, yes, I'd say that's a frequently asked question.
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I wish they'd give us some fucking samples already.
They do like to take their time don't they? In a way I respect that about SX, but it's torture for their fans!
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They spent two months+ recording drums? That seems longer than usual...
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Then they must be better than usual :tup
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I wish they'd give us some fucking samples already.
They do like to take their time don't they? In a way I respect that about SX, but it's torture for their fans!
How could they give us samples if it's not even done being recorded?
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I wish they'd give us some fucking samples already.
They do like to take their time don't they? In a way I respect that about SX, but it's torture for their fans!
How could they give us samples if it's not even done being recorded?
He obviously knows the drums aren't done .. He just wishes he could hear some samples. Re: being excited.
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Ok, so I'm listening to PL after not hearing it for quite a while and Track 7 comes on (The Walls of Babylon). Am I going crazy or was this song inspired by the Prince of Persia video game series? I mean seriously, the intro sounds like music from PoP and the reference to Babylon. The Prince's kingdom in the game was called Babylon. I haven't completely read through the lyrics yet, but there seems to be similarities. Am I just repeating old news? I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if this was posted previously.
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How is that ungrateful? Information about a DVD isn't something I would put in a FAQ.
Because as I stated they have never released an official Symphony X DVD and I'd bet a good chunk of their fanbase(definitely me) would very much like to know if they have any plans of action on it so, yes, I'd say that's a frequently asked question.
With all due respect, your viewpoint on the subject is just dumb and I would slap you with a herring if you had voiced it in my presence.
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:herringslap:
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:progger:
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YES
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Ok, so I'm listening to PL after not hearing it for quite a while and Track 7 comes on (The Walls of Babylon). Am I going crazy or was this song inspired by the Prince of Persia video game series? I mean seriously, the intro sounds like music from PoP and the reference to Babylon. The Prince's kingdom in the game was called Babylon. I haven't completely read through the lyrics yet, but there seems to be similarities. Am I just repeating old news? I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if this was posted previously.
Well, both the song and the game are based on historical events, so you're not wrong...just maybe not familiar with Ancient Babylon lore.
Also, I fucking love Walls of Babylon. I know everyone else hates it, but it's my favourite off of PL, and...I'm gonna go listen to it now!
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How is that ungrateful? Information about a DVD isn't something I would put in a FAQ.
Because as I stated they have never released an official Symphony X DVD and I'd bet a good chunk of their fanbase(definitely me) would very much like to know if they have any plans of action on it so, yes, I'd say that's a frequently asked question.
With all due respect, your viewpoint on the subject is just dumb and I would slap you with a herring if you had voiced it in my presence.
Are you trying to condescend, be playfully sarcastic or are you really dumb enough to try to call someone's viewpoint dumb while using the clichéd "with all due respect" disclaimer while using the word dumb in regard to them? I quite seriously like you dude despite the occasional disagreements we have(NFL thread a while back and maybe one other time that escapes me atm) but for some reason I actually did feel a little insulted by this since you felt strongly enough to call my viewpoint dumb but apparently not strongly enough to elaborate why.
So I'll ask you "what is so 'dumb' about a question regarding Symphony X's future plans on releasing(or reasons for not releasing) an official DVD?" Once again because the vast majority of bands with legit success or cult followings usually do put them out with the main reason for not doing so usually being money/record company issues. If it's an issue with the label they could easily give the fans a bland "We have no plans as of now"-type answer which admittedly wouldn't be all that great but at least would take the mystery out of the equation for a bit and we could stop holding our breath over it for those of us who are very much hoping for a DVD.
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How is that ungrateful? Information about a DVD isn't something I would put in a FAQ.
Because as I stated they have never released an official Symphony X DVD and I'd bet a good chunk of their fanbase(definitely me) would very much like to know if they have any plans of action on it so, yes, I'd say that's a frequently asked question.
With all due respect, your viewpoint on the subject is just dumb and I would slap you with a herring if you had voiced it in my presence.
Are you trying to condescend, be playfully sarcastic or are you really dumb enough to try to call someone's viewpoint dumb while using the clichéd "with all due respect" disclaimer while using the word dumb in regard to them? I quite seriously like you dude despite the occasional disagreements we have(NFL thread a while back and maybe one other time that escapes me atm) but for some reason I actually did feel a little insulted by this since you felt strongly enough to call my viewpoint dumb but apparently not strongly enough to elaborate why.
So I'll ask you "what is so 'dumb' about a question regarding Symphony X's future plans on releasing(or reasons for not releasing) an official DVD?" Once again because the vast majority of bands with legit success or cult followings usually do put them out with the main reason for not doing so usually being money/record company issues. If it's an issue with the label they could easily give the fans a bland "We have no plans as of now"-type answer which admittedly wouldn't be all that great but at least would take the mystery out of the equation for a bit and we could stop holding our breath over it for those of us who are very much hoping for a DVD.
I'm quite sure that Symphony X has had to answer that question countless times by now...
Besides, the fact that they don't want people asking that question should make the answer evident to any fan...
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How is that ungrateful? Information about a DVD isn't something I would put in a FAQ.
Because as I stated they have never released an official Symphony X DVD and I'd bet a good chunk of their fanbase(definitely me) would very much like to know if they have any plans of action on it so, yes, I'd say that's a frequently asked question.
With all due respect, your viewpoint on the subject is just dumb and I would slap you with a herring if you had voiced it in my presence.
Are you trying to condescend, be playfully sarcastic or are you really dumb enough to try to call someone's viewpoint dumb while using the clichéd "with all due respect" disclaimer while using the word dumb in regard to them? I quite seriously like you dude despite the occasional disagreements we have(NFL thread a while back and maybe one other time that escapes me atm) but for some reason I actually did feel a little insulted by this since you felt strongly enough to call my viewpoint dumb but apparently not strongly enough to elaborate why.
So I'll ask you "what is so 'dumb' about a question regarding Symphony X's future plans on releasing(or reasons for not releasing) an official DVD?" Once again because the vast majority of bands with legit success or cult followings usually do put them out with the main reason for not doing so usually being money/record company issues. If it's an issue with the label they could easily give the fans a bland "We have no plans as of now"-type answer which admittedly wouldn't be all that great but at least would take the mystery out of the equation for a bit and we could stop holding our breath over it for those of us who are very much hoping for a DVD.
Hint: If I were serious, I would not have threatened to smack you with a herring. Because it wouldn't really hurt. Because herrings are not very big. I would have gone with some sort of game fish that would really do some damage. If I were really trying to insult you as opposed to just giving a playful jab, I would have done something like, for example, insinuating that you are a Saints fan or something along those lines that would much more clearly illustrate a sub-average IQ.
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:lol
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So there's some "news" regarding Symphony X's new album today:
Hey guys. First post here and it's sort of a doozy. I've been checking here for months for updates, and have been disappointed just like the rest of you in the lack of follow through. Something happened the other day that I wasn't planning on posting as I know I'll be met with mostly skepticism, but I can't take it anymore.
My friend, a giant Symphony X fan like myself, plays in an up-and-coming New Jersey rock band. We’ll call him Scott. Scott’s band had been recording their new album with someone who has had a working relationship with Symphony X, and keeps in touch frequently. Scott told me that this individual had recently visited Michael Romeo in the Dungeon and was able to listen to samples from the upcoming album. Scott relayed to me his impressions: that the new material is somehow even heavier than the material from Paradise Lost while also reintroducing some progressive elements that were featured more prominently on V. Put simply, it sounds fantastic. From what I heard, the album is very nearly finished, requiring only some guitar overdubs and bass. Also, and I know it's a little ridiculous to say this, but bear with me -- Michael Romeo apparently told his friend, who told my friend, who relayed to me that he expects the album to be out in time for Christmas. Take from this what you will; I wouldn’t blame anyone for being skeptical. I just figured I’d put this here that someone might experience the same excitement that I felt the other day at hearing the promising news.
Now, this update doesn't come from Jax (who's been curiously absent from the Ultimate Metal boards...), so take it with a grain of salt.
I'm just glad things seem to be progressing
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I wasn't expecting an album this year, so if it makes it that's great! But if it doesn't that's great too.
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I hope this extra heaviness doesn't mean there wont be any room for softer singing. I like Russell's raspy singing but I'd love to hear more vocals like on The Accolade and Communion and the Oracle as that's my favorite aspect of his voice.
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I'm getting a little bored of Symph X trying to be heavier and heavier. It's usually just more complex pantera riffs with akward transitions into power metal. They need to be more fluid, SOME super heavy sections, but not that many.
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The only thing that annoyed me about the heaviness of PL was how it was always at the forefront. If this album has more variety in that respect then I'm sure it will be one of the best ones so far.
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As a big fan of SX, I would welcome another heavy album.
Personally, I think they pull this off better than anyone. A blend of both heavy and progressive/melodic songs would be even better however.
I want this album bad. :metal
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Damn, i hope this isn't true. The heavier they get, the harder it is for me to keep listening to those albums. They are great and all, but they sound the same. How I miss the Twilight/V type of music...
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I hope this extra heaviness doesn't mean there wont be any room for softer singing. I like Russell's raspy singing but I'd love to hear more vocals like on The Accolade and Communion and the Oracle as that's my favorite aspect of his voice.
This has me concerned too. Heavy isn't bad, I just want more variety than we got on Paradise Lost.
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PL was good. Really good. But the samey-ness of it all did kind of wear on you after awhile. Hard to listen to in one sitting. Yeah, next time I'd prefer something softer, or just as heavy but shorter.
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earlier indications were that it was going to be more varied, but it's hard to tell right now because this isn't exactly a first hand (or even second hand) source. The last 'official' update we were given was back in June so who knows?
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Paradise Lost was a major disappointment for me, especially because of Russell's voice. I'm not particularly fond of Odyssey for the same reason. Please don't do it again, SX.
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Paradise Lost is their 2nd worst album after the s/t debut. One would hope it can only get better that that.
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I really didn't like PL at all. Russell can be awesome when he sings with a clear voice, and uses the harsh voice as an extra punch now and then.. but this was just too much!
Adding to that, it's that ugly Line 6 guitar tone in front of the mix ALL THE TIME. Please MJR, modelling is FINE (I do it myself), but at least tweak carefully and channel it through a tube amp or whatever, afterwards.
The keys were mixed in a weird way, and the worst thing of all: the mastering job. That's exactly the reason why some of you can't sit the album out in one sitting. It gets tedious on the ears.
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Paradise Lost was an absolute gem of an album.
Just non-stop awesomeness from start to finish.
I would be completely happy with an even heavier album. They still have plenty of softer songs on their older albums. I want to see my favourite bands adapt, not make the same music time and time again.
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Paradise Lost was an absolute gem of an album.
Just non-stop awesomeness from start to finish.
I would be completely happy with an even heavier album. They still have plenty of softer songs on their older albums. I want to see my favourite bands adapt, not make the same music time and time again.
But they're not adapting, they're just getting heavier. The style of heaviness hasn't changed, it's just in MUCH more abundance.
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I really didn't like PL at all. Russell can be awesome when he sings with a clear voice, and uses the harsh voice as an extra punch now and then.. but this was just too much!
Adding to that, it's that ugly Line 6 guitar tone in front of the mix ALL THE TIME. Please MJR, modelling is FINE (I do it myself), but at least tweak carefully and channel it through a tube amp or whatever, afterwards.
The keys were mixed in a weird way, and the worst thing of all: the mastering job. That's exactly the reason why some of you can't sit the album out in one sitting. It gets tedious on the ears.
YES! That's what I have always said - as much as I love this band I hate the guitar sound Romeo uses! It just reeks Line6. It sounds cold and digital. Compare that to Petrucci's sound - it's much more fluid, soft and alive, without losing any heaviness at all.
And I agree with what everyone has been saying - enough with the overly heavy songs! Bring back the variety and balance they used to have.
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Paradise Lost was an absolute gem of an album.
Just non-stop awesomeness from start to finish.
I would be completely happy with an even heavier album. They still have plenty of softer songs on their older albums. I want to see my favourite bands adapt, not make the same music time and time again.
But they're not adapting, they're just getting heavier. The style of heaviness hasn't changed, it's just in MUCH more abundance.
I think there's plenty of variety in songs like The Walls of Babylon and Revelation - 2 of their best songs, IMO.
It's all down to personal taste. I've grown more fond of the speedy/heavy riffs as of late.
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Another problem with their super heavy stuff is the odd time sigs. Symph X throw lots of odd time stuff into their music, but the heavier it is, the more forced the odd times seem to be, they seemed more natural in their more proggy stuff, like V.
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On ticketmaster today:
Symphony X
The Wiltern - Los Angeles, CA - 5/10/11
LEGIT.
Can this mean that the end is near? :D
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If they're scheduling tour dates for this time, I'm assuming we can expect the album in late May.
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I heard a rumor for a bunch of Europe dates spanning Feb-March. I'm guessing the album will be out in March/April then, much like Paradise Lost
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I'll take the album whenever they feel like releasing it. The earlier, the better.
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Damn, i hope this isn't true. The heavier they get, the harder it is for me to keep listening to those albums. They are great and all, but they sound the same. How I miss the Twilight/V type of music...
agreed, they are great, seen them many times, but yea, its becoming to predictable I agree with wanting the Twilight/V type feeling
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the Symphony X survivor are begun :metal
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16997.0
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I'm looking to get into Symphony X. Most accessible album?
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I'm looking to get into Symphony X. Most accessible album?
My take: The Odyssey is the most accessible but V is their best effort...That being said, I'm not a huge fan of the bandso don't take my word for it. :tup
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Wow, check out prices for that show...
US $44.70 (US $32.50 Ticket + US $12.20 Fees)
US $55.10 (US $42.50 Ticket + US $12.60 Fees)
The paradise of an awesome cheap show certainly might be lost...
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The paradise of an awesome cheap show certainly might be lost...
I lol'd
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Wow, check out prices for that show...
US $44.70 (US $32.50 Ticket + US $12.20 Fees)
US $55.10 (US $42.50 Ticket + US $12.60 Fees)
The paradise of an awesome cheap show certainly might be lost...
Oooooh does this mean they're going to do the VIP tickets again? Because I will totally meet the band again
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The paradise of an awesome cheap show certainly might be lost...
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:lol I love you guys.
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I'm looking to get into Symphony X. Most accessible album?
I agree that The Odyssey is the most accessible. I got that and V at the same time, but didn't get into V until quite a while after (although I prefer V now).
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I hate this band for never updating >:(
And I think the Odyssey is their weakest release with Allen
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I'd expect as much....... From a pigeon.
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And I think the Odyssey is their weakest release with Allen
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Yeah, they need to start doing more updates and keeping in touch with their fans.
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Yeah. It's sad when you find out about tour dates from Ticketbastard as opposed to the band themselves :\
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And I think the Odyssey is their weakest release with Allen
No way near weakest, because Paradise Lost exists.
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Paradise Lost is such a kick ass album!!
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not nearly as kickass as the odyssey though. I'd take the odyssey over PL anyday. And that's not saying much because I didn't really like the odyssey apart from the title track much anyway :D
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And I think the Odyssey is their weakest release with Allen
No way near weakest, because Paradise Lost exists.
That's funny, because I think PL is one of their best.
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If The Odyssey had louder bass, it would be a perfect album.
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I really liked Paradise Lost. It's a bit bland sounding but at least the songwriting makes up for it.
I'd love to hear Seven on the upcoming tour :metal
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"You and I, the lie of liiiiiiiiies!" :metal
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Dunno, I just can't stand Russell's vocal in that album. I'd take Damnation Game over PL.
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Dunno, I just can't stand Russell's vocal in that album. I'd take Damnation Game over PL.
That's quite a big call, respect, but disagree. I think Russell sounds great, never had a problem, what don't you like??
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Dunno, I just can't stand Russell's vocal in that album. I'd take Damnation Game over PL.
The Damnation Game is the best album
Period
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Dunno, I just can't stand Russell's vocal in that album. I'd take Damnation Game over PL.
That's quite a big call, respect, but disagree. I think Russell sounds great, never had a problem, what don't you like??
Well I absolutely adore his voice in V, and when I heard PL and the rough voice work of RA, I was seriously disappointed. RA just doesn't work with rough voice, imo. He has a fantastic voice, but why does he want to distort it?
But then, I don't really mind the heavy guitar work in PL.
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I'd love to hear Seven on the upcoming tour :metal
YES. I always wondered why they haven't included it yet; it's definitely one of their most intense songs.
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Dunno, I just can't stand Russell's vocal in that album. I'd take Damnation Game over PL.
That's quite a big call, respect, but disagree. I think Russell sounds great, never had a problem, what don't you like??
Well I absolutely adore his voice in V, and when I heard PL and the rough voice work of RA, I was seriously disappointed. RA just doesn't work with rough voice, imo. He has a fantastic voice, but why does he want to distort it?
But then, I don't really mind the heavy guitar work in PL.
That's cool, although I think the other way around, I really enjoyed his harsher voice, I thought his normal clean was getting just a bit too sweet.
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I'm a big fan, I think my favourite albums are probably Paradise Lost and V.
I know a lot of people didn't like the heaviness of PL, but it seems like there are just a lot of people who disregard anything that sounds a little bit heavy. I do see that it had a distinct sound to all songs, but then again so did V, The Odyssey and DWOT...
Revelations, Rediscovery, DWOT, The Odyssey, Edge Of Forever, The Accolades, Church Of The Machine, Paradise Lost... these are probably my favourites.
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And I think the Odyssey is their weakest release with Allen
No way near weakest, because Paradise Lost exists.
Quoted for truth, bolded for emphasis. I don't get the love for PL. It just sounds soulless and robotic.
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I wonder why they don't like giving out news until the last minute. You'd think more promotion would be a good thing for them since they're a relatively small band.
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I wonder why they don't like giving out news until the last minute. You'd think more promotion would be a good thing for them since they're a relatively small band.
I don't understand it either
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And I think the Odyssey is their weakest release with Allen
No way near weakest, because Paradise Lost exists.
Quoted for truth, bolded for emphasis. I don't get the love for PL. It just sounds soulless and robotic.
I agree with you 100% - only the exact opposite.
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Dunno, I just can't stand Russell's vocal in that album. I'd take Damnation Game over PL.
The Damnation Game is the best album
Period
Well, we know that's not the case since it was said by someone with such a Phailtastic avatar.
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Posted on their Facebook about an hour ago:
"North America's progressive metal masters SYMPHONY X are pleased to announce their upcoming April 25th, 2011 show at the Metropolis in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Also on the SYMPHONY X 2011 touring calendar are performances at the Best Buy Theater (formerly The Nokia) in New York on Friday, April 22nd and at the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles on Tuesday, May 10th. V.I.P. tickets are available for all three shows and will include early entry, a Meet & Greet, and a free t-shirt. Purchase V.I.P. packages exclusively at EnterTheVault.com.
Lead vocalist Russell Allen checks in about the new release and the upcoming shows: “I just want to say how excited I am about the new album. It's gonna kill! The songs rock and the performances by my fellow band mates are simply amazing. We can't wait to see the fans! You guys know how much we enjoy performing live. So get ready, SYMPHONY X has returned.”
SYMPHONY X are currently recording their Nuclear Blast debut and follow-up to 2007’s Paradise Lost, which has sold over 60,000 copies in North America. Allen has finished recording his vocal tracks and the band is moving on to record keyboards, bass, and guitar solos. Guitarist Michael Romeo offers the following update: "We love the fans, and we know we haven't been as on top of things with the updates this year as we should have, but when it's down to the wire and we're going 24/7 trying to wrap things up, then that's what we're focused on. We really think the fans will like this album; it has been, by far, more work (and harder work) than any other album, period."
The SYMPHONY X camp adds: “We're pleased to announce that both drummer Jason Rullo and lead vocalist Russell Allen recently became fathers for the second time. Jason is now the proud father of a beautiful baby girl and Russell and his wife now have a beautiful baby boy. Congratulations to them both!”
In other band news, the SYMPHONY X Fan Club has been shut down and is currently being revamped. “We anticipate that it will be ready for new members around the same time as the new CD is released, if not a bit sooner. Existing/previous members should have either already received info on the change to a permanent membership setup and an invite to the new fan club mailing list or will be receiving it soon. If you are an existing/previous SYMPHONY X Fan Club member and have not received this notification, please contact Jax (jax@symphonyx.com) for more information.”
Fans are encouraged to submit questions for the band’s soon-to-be-updated FAQ section of their website. Send questions in to symxfaq@gmail.com with “FAQ” in the subject line. Formed in 1994 in New Jersey, SYMPHONY X has seven studio albums and one live album to their credit. Visit SYMPHONY X online at www.SYMPHONYX.com, www.myspace.com/OFFICIALSYMPHONYX, and www.facebook.com/SYMPHONYX."
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yay finally some news. I'll be at the NY show for sure
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I'll certainly be doing my best to make the NYC show.
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I'll certainly be doing my best to make the NYC show.
I'm sure there will be more tour dates in the future, so you won't have to rely on the NY date
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I'll certainly be doing my best to make the NYC show.
You're going to the NY show nick.
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Omg they updated
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Very much looking forward to more info on the album.
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Might go to the New York show. I saw Iced Earth there last month, and it's a great venue. Seeing Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin Experience there next month.
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About fucking time we got some news.
I'm looking forward to this album over anything else. I have no doubt in my mind it will be another masterpiece.
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This sounds really promising
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Paradise Lost is such a kick ass album!!
I couldn't agree more, the songs just groove on this album. I have to admit to liking it more then BCSL.
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I just found out from nevermore's facebook about the NYC show: "Nevermore Grabbed this off Metal Sucks - Symphony X with Nevermore, Soilwork, Blackguard, and PowerGlove, 4/22/11:"
Idk if it's been posted before, but I'm excited now
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Anyone hear Michael Romeo's score for former Dream Theater manager / Symphony X label head, Jim Pitulski's new show, Ghost Story TV?
Check it out here at PikiRocks.com (https://PikiRocks.com)
Danny Elfman, eat your heart out!
Cheers,
Jason Myers
Icarus Witch / Paul DiAnno Band (U.S.)
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Bump.
In exactly one week, I will be participating in a crazy-epic concert event. A friend of mine has taken to transcribing about 45 minutes worth of Symphony X music. We will be performing it next Sunday with a five-piece combo and 20-piece chamber orchestra. The setlist is as follows:
Intro tape (Prelude)
Evolution
Fallen
Transcendence
The Odyssey
encore: Of Sins and Shadows
Word has it that the show will be audio and video recorded. I will make every effort to get it up so you folks can see.
SO EXCITED!!!!
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:o
That sounds so cool!
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Bump.
In exactly one week, I will be participating in a crazy-epic concert event. A friend of mine has taken to transcribing about 45 minutes worth of Symphony X music. We will be performing it next Sunday with a five-piece combo and 20-piece chamber orchestra. The setlist is as follows:
Intro tape (Prelude)
Evolution
Fallen
Transcendence
The Odyssey
encore: Of Sins and Shadows
Word has it that the show will be audio and video recorded. I will make every effort to get it up so you folks can see.
SO EXCITED!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Love, love, love, LOVE Symphony X. :metal
Listenin' to Sacrifice atm.
Also, any videos from the concert?
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Symphony X is AWESOME!
I saw them live on the PL tour...REALLY INCREDIBLE. Russell is probably in my top 3 vocalists of all time. He is so passionate.
My friends and I waited for the buses for about two hours. Totally worth it. Allen was so big! I'd love to see a bear fight between him and JP.
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Love, love, love, LOVE Symphony X. :metal
Listenin' to Sacrifice atm.
Also, any videos from the concert?
I love that song :heart
Also, I'd forgotten how amazing The Divine Wings Of Tragedy was :metal
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hey tardlia dont let harry catch you in this thread :P
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pfft he can suck it, Symphony X are awesome :metal
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That's cool. I like shit music too.
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:lol
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That's cool. I like shit music too.
Yeah you like Coheed
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That's cool. I like shit music too.
Yeah you like Coheed
GAWWWWDS BLAWWWWD
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That's cool. I like shit music too.
Yeah you like Coheed
And Dream Theater.
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Yeah I hear Dream Theater sucks :neverusethis:
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They do man. Fucking progcore.
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I'm surprised Harry can post in this thread with all the cheese.
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:lol
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That's cool. I like shit music too.
:yeahright
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US spring tour with Nevermore, Soilwork, Power Glove and Blackguard announced!
New Jersey's progressive metal masters SYMPHONY X will embark on a North American headlining tour in April/May 2011. Support on the trek will come from Seattle's NEVERMORE, Sweden's SOILWORK, Boston's POWERGLOVE and Montreal's BLACKGUARD. The trek will launch on April 21 in Philadelphia and wrap on May 22 in West Springfield, Virginia.
The dates are as follows:
Apr. 21 - The Trocadero - Philadelphia, PA
Apr. 22 - Best Buy Theatre - New York, NY
Apr. 23 - The Palladium - Worcester, MA
Apr. 25 - Metropolis - Montreal, QC - CANADA
Apr. 26 - Salle Albert Rosseau - Quebec City, QC - CANADA
Apr. 27 - The Opera House - Toronto, ON - CANADA
Apr. 29 - Peabody's - Cleveland, OH
Apr. 30 - Blondie's - Detroit, MI
May 01 - Bottom Lounge - Chicago, IL
May 02 - Station 4 - St. Paul, MN
May 04 - Ogden Theater - Denver, CO
May 06 - Showbox - Seattle, WA
May 07 - Hawthorne Theatre - Portland, OR
May 08 - The Grand Ballroom - San Francisco, CA
May 10 - The Wiltern - Los Angeles, CA
May 11 - Marquee Theatre - Tempe, AZ
May 13 - Trees - Dallas, TX
May 14 - Scout Bar - Houston, TX
May 15 - Backstage Live - San Antonio, TX
May 17 - The Club at Firestone - Orlando, FL
May 18 - Culture Room - Ft. Lauderdale, FL
May 19 - The Masquerade - Atlanta, GA
May 20 - Volume 11 - Raleigh, NC
May 21 - Tremont Music Hall - Charlotte, NC
May 22 - Jaxx - W. Springfield, VA
Exclusive pre-sale tickets are available now at EnterTheVault.com. VIP tickets/packages are available for select shows and will include early entry and a meet-and-greet. After December 1, tickets can be purchased via regular ticketing outlets.
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Once again, Philly gets the first show :metal
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I saw Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin Experience last night at the Best Buy Theater and saw the advertisement for the Symphony X show, but wasn't aware that they were playing with Nevermore. I might go.
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WITH NEVERMORE???!!?!?!
ZOMG GOING.
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WITH NEVERMORE
WITH FUCKING NEVERMORE
NEVERMORE
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palladium here I come!
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Fuck I hate living in Australia sometimes. >:(
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Nevermore would be the deciding factor if I was to go. I only have one album each by Symphony X and Nevermore though, so I can't justify spending thirty bucks on a ticket.
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Yes you can. Everyone playing is a fabulous live band. Go.
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Nevermore would be the deciding factor if I was to go. I only have one album each by Symphony X and Nevermore though, so I can't justify spending thirty bucks on a ticket.
Both are class bands, go and see them and be amazed.
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>Undecided whether or not to go see Nevermore and Symphony X
Wat
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>Undecided whether or not to go see Nevermore and Symphony X
Wat
Oh you :lol
Well, it is on a Friday, and my friends and I can just take the train down to the city... those things are always a plus. I want to go, but I want to get more music from them before buying a ticket. In all honesty, do you think they'll sell out a 2,100-seating theater in New York? Iced Earth didn't even sell out when I saw them.
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I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
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I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
And as far as Symphony X goes, get The Divine Wings of Tragedy, Paradise Lost, and The Odyssey.
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Nevermore and Soilwork alone is enough to warrant a ticket. Countdown to May 20th!
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I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
And as far as Symphony X goes, get The Divine Wings of Tragedy, Paradise Lost, and The Odyssey.
OOONNN THHHEEE EDDDGGGEE OOFFFF PAARRAAADDDIIIIIIIIISEEEEE
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I've heard of Nevermore on DTF but based on a one minute sampling from Youtube I'm not too impressed. Haven't heard of two of the bands. I'll go for SX and I woudn't mind seeing Powerglove.
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I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
Implying you've never seen Iron Maiden?
I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
And as far as Symphony X goes, get The Divine Wings of Tragedy, Paradise Lost, and The Odyssey.
I have The Odyssey, good album. It grew on me over time.
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I've heard of Nevermore on DTF but based on a one minute sampling from Youtube I'm not too impressed.
*sigh* Look up the song This Godless Endeavor and tell me it isn't a fucking badass song.
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I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
Implying you've never seen Iron Maiden?
I'm not referring to big shows at bigger venues. I'm talking about the three main smaller venues I see a lot of shows at.
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I've never had an issue with a metal band selling out on me so far, but Washington is a different state than New York, so I have no clue. Seriously, Get This Godless Endeavor and Politics of Ecstasy. Nao.
Implying you've never seen Iron Maiden?
I'm not referring to big shows at bigger venues. I'm talking about the three main smaller venues I see a lot of shows at.
Ah, well in that case, the only qualifying shows for me would be Iced Earth and the three times I've seen Sacred Oath. They probably sold 1,500 tickets at most (Iced Earth), and SO gets like a hundred people when I see them, because they're more of a local band even though they have major record deals and albums.
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I think you should be fine, personally. If Iced Earth isn't selling out, I'm sure Symphony X and Nevermore won't.
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Then I'll probably wait until I have more SX and Nevermore material, however long that takes.
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I can't wait to see Powerglove again :caffeine:
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I know Powerglove. They're from the same area as I am. My band opened for'em earlier this year. Great guys.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD YES!!!!!
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Crappy tour schedule. :(
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How so?
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Only two CA dates, and neither or north-CA friendly.
At least, that's why I (probably) won't be able to make these shows.
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I really love the beginning of Paradise Lost. :metal
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Crappy tour schedule. :(
Tell me about it. Every single time they tour NA it's always finals week when they're coming through the midwest. Looks like it'll be the same for 2011 :'(
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I really love the beginning of Paradise Lost. :metal
PL is my favorite song and album. Although it bleeds cheese, I always love the "so I've cheated" part. I honestly starting crying one time, and I never cry.
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:symphonyx:
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......I like cheese!
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So do I, whether it's in the dairy section or in a jewel case with "Symphony X" written on the front. Either way, it's all good.
BUT SPEAKING OF JEWEL CASES, DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE STUPID PACKAGING FOR PARADISE LOST!!!
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Crappy tour schedule. :(
Tell me about it. Every single time they tour NA it's always finals week when they're coming through the midwest. Looks like it'll be the same for 2011 :'(
Don't know about you, but I'd go to a concert the night before a final or something. Normally I'd study a ton the night before, but if I knew I was going to a concert I'd make sure I knew all the material two days prior to the test. Unless you're worried about the lack-of-sleep issue, which is personal I guess. I can pull an all-nighter (and have) on a school night and be fine the next day (until I get home).
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There's no VIP for Arizona. :( I won't get to hump Russell's leg now. DAMNIT! :zook2:
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There's no VIP for Arizona. :( I won't get to hump Russell's leg now. DAMNIT! :zook2:
Meh. His leg hair is actually pretty coarse. You're better off with Rullo.
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So do I, whether it's in the dairy section or in a jewel case with "Symphony X" written on the front. Either way, it's all good.
BUT SPEAKING OF JEWEL CASES, DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE STUPID PACKAGING FOR PARADISE LOST!!!
What, you don't like those little fold out flames? :lol
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Crappy tour schedule. :(
Tell me about it. Every single time they tour NA it's always finals week when they're coming through the midwest. Looks like it'll be the same for 2011 :'(
Don't know about you, but I'd go to a concert the night before a final or something. Normally I'd study a ton the night before, but if I knew I was going to a concert I'd make sure I knew all the material two days prior to the test. Unless you're worried about the lack-of-sleep issue, which is personal I guess. I can pull an all-nighter (and have) on a school night and be fine the next day (until I get home).
I agree. I go to shows on weeknights all the time. My problem isn't lack of study time, it's the fact that they never come to my city (I don't blame them :lol) - If I wanted to see them, I'd have to drive to Chicago, which is eight hours away. Unless the show was on a weekend I wouldn't be able to make it work.
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So do I, whether it's in the dairy section or in a jewel case with "Symphony X" written on the front. Either way, it's all good.
BUT SPEAKING OF JEWEL CASES, DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE STUPID PACKAGING FOR PARADISE LOST!!!
What, you don't like those little fold out flames? :lol
Yeah, I LOL'd at those.
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I'm excited about the tour dates. I'll likely be attending either the Montreal or Quebec City one, depending on where I am (Ottawa or Halifax) at that time.
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I'm hoping the new album will be out by then :\
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Crappy tour schedule. :(
Tell me about it. Every single time they tour NA it's always finals week when they're coming through the midwest. Looks like it'll be the same for 2011 :'(
Don't know about you, but I'd go to a concert the night before a final or something. Normally I'd study a ton the night before, but if I knew I was going to a concert I'd make sure I knew all the material two days prior to the test. Unless you're worried about the lack-of-sleep issue, which is personal I guess. I can pull an all-nighter (and have) on a school night and be fine the next day (until I get home).
I agree. I go to shows on weeknights all the time. My problem isn't lack of study time, it's the fact that they never come to my city (I don't blame them :lol) - If I wanted to see them, I'd have to drive to Chicago, which is eight hours away. Unless the show was on a weekend I wouldn't be able to make it work.
Ooooohhhhh, then that's a perfectly good excuse.
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Bump again.
Tonight's the night!! My friend has taken to transcribing the music of Symphony X for a school project. We will be performing it tonight with a 4-piece combo, 5 vocalists and a 20-piece chamber orchestra. The setlist is as follows:
Intro tape (Prelude)
Evolution
Fallen
Transcendence
The Odyssey
encore: Of Sins and Shadows
I'm told that clips (if not the whole show) will be upped to YouTube shortly thereafter, and a DVD of the project is also being produced.
:metal :metal
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Bump again.
Tonight's the night!! My friend has taken to transcribing the music of Symphony X for a school project. We will be performing it tonight with a 4-piece combo, 5 vocalists and a 20-piece chamber orchestra. The setlist is as follows:
Intro tape (Prelude)
Evolution
Fallen
Transcendence
The Odyssey
encore: Of Sins and Shadows
I'm told that clips (if not the whole show) will be upped to YouTube shortly thereafter, and a DVD of the project is also being produced.
:metal :metal
good luck man
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I miss Thomas Miller's bass work and musical ideas... DWoT and TiO are my two favorite SX releases
The Odyssey and Paradise Lost are okay, but they aren't as good as the preceding albums.
I'm gonna check out whether they'll gonna tour in my area or not
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I miss Thomas Miller's bass work and musical ideas... DWoT and TiO are my two favorite SX releases
The Odyssey and Paradise Lost are okay, but they aren't as good as the preceding albums.
I'm gonna check out whether they'll gonna tour in my area or not
Thomas Miller was a fucking genius. It's a shame he left the band, because their tone drastically changed afterwards, but everything from TDG-TiO is amazing, especially his bass work (fucking Sea of Lies)
LePond has some sweet work too though. DAT TAPPING in Seven. Instant orgasm
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Sorry for the additional bump. But we finally have the first glimpse of video from the Odyssey Project which I participated in earlier this month. Here's our performance of "Fallen/Transcendence." Me on the keys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6h14QHgROg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6h14QHgROg)
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Damn that guy has a good voice.
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Even though it's a preview, it sounds great. I'm looking forward to the final edit.
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Cool vid. :tup
But damn, I was hoping for a SX new album update.
Jesus christ these guys have a serious lack of contact with their fans. How long have they been in the studio for now? Must be pushing a year.
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Cool vid. :tup
But damn, I was hoping for a SX new album update.
Jesus christ these guys have a serious lack of contact with their fans. How long have they been in the studio for now? Must be pushing a year.
Yeah it's been close to a year now...
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Sorry for the additional bump. But we finally have the first glimpse of video from the Odyssey Project which I participated in earlier this month. Here's our performance of "Fallen/Transcendence." Me on the keys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6h14QHgROg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6h14QHgROg)
Bravo, that's seriously awesome. Good voice too. :tup
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Hopefully the guys who filmed it up will upload clips from the Odyssey itself soon.
Sometime by the end of May 2011 the entire show will be produced in DVD-quality and hopefully put onto YouTube. Updates for you all as I get them.
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These guys are incredible, I have seen them many times.. Romeo is a legend.
Id like them to break from their formula and do some different style already tho, that neo classic style is getting a bit dated, but I guess thats what they do, and what their fans sorta demand
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Sorry for the additional bump. But we finally have the first glimpse of video from the Odyssey Project which I participated in earlier this month. Here's our performance of "Fallen/Transcendence." Me on the keys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6h14QHgROg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6h14QHgROg)
Bravo, that's seriously awesome. Good voice too. :tup
Kudos to you.. very nice
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Id like them to break from their formula and do some different style already tho, that neo classic style is getting a bit dated, but I guess thats what they do, and what their fans sorta demand
This seems to be a problem inherent to neo-classical metal. Let's hope Symphony X don't end up painting themselves into a corner the way Yngwie did.
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Let's hope Symphony X don't end up painting themselves into a corner the way Yngwie did.
This is the second time I've heard that this week. What exactly do you mean by it?
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They could choose to stay relevant, by keeping their music beautiful. I think most SX albums are beautiful, except for Paradise Lost. That's not beautiful, that's just bloated and too much of EVERYTHING.
I'd say, let RA do his thing (not 'harsh' all the time), let the fusion influences return in a cool way, and apply heavy riffs where needed. Make different rythm guitar sounds, not just that cold midi-ish Line6 sounds. Hell, MJR, get a tube amplifier instead of those ugly digital POD sounds. Get some of that MOJO goin' on. The band rules, lay off with the digitalism. Let the band shine.
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Just let Twilight and V have sex and record the baby.
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Just let Twilight and V have sex and record the baby.
Bettered my 'idea' in one sentence. Excellent.
If the next record is as brickwalled as PL, I'm afraid I won't even come around to listen to it. I'm just done with it, dynamics are one of the most important factors in music, even in heavy metal.
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Id like them to break from their formula and do some different style already tho, that neo classic style is getting a bit dated, but I guess thats what they do, and what their fans sorta demand
This seems to be a problem inherent to neo-classical metal. Let's hope Symphony X don't end up painting themselves into a corner the way Yngwie did.
agreed... well said Ludwig
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I personally hope the new album is along the lines of PL. I know I'm crazy but PL is one of my top 5 albums of all time.
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Yeha, I really enjoyed PL too, I'd be fine with the new record continuing in that direction.
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Let's hope Symphony X don't end up painting themselves into a corner the way Yngwie did.
This is the second time I've heard that this week. What exactly do you mean by it?
I don't mean to bash either the "neo-classical" genre or Yngwie, but if you take a hard look at YJM's musical career, it was defined by an initial HUGE splash and sensation (deservedly so) created by the mastery and genius of those first few albums with Sotto and JLT on vocals. Quickly after that, however, it seems that his musical scope narrowed and his popularity waned, while he was increasingly viewed as a one-trick-pony who churned out repetitive albums of shredfest after shredfest. It all comes across as rather one-dimensional and AC/DC-ish. Not saying that the quality of Yngwie's more recent albums are poor, as there're tons of folks who greatly enjoy them, but they're just not relevant anymore.
I like what Symphony X has done by building on what Yngwie started and expanding on the sub-genre. Adding more of a keyboard element, using epic themes based on Milton and ancient mythologies/religions etc, exploring other classical composers besides Bach and Mozart (e.g. Holst), adding some proggy compositional elements and delving into longer song forms like The Odyssey. That said, with their talent and technique, I think S-X could still do a whole lot more within the neo-classical sub-genre, pushing the envelope and maybe even stepping outside of the whole neo-classical thing.
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I kind of think that's what Paradise Lost is. It's not focused on neo-classical elements at all. It's focused more on bone-crushing heaviness (Not a bad thing at all) than anything.
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Yeha, I really enjoyed PL too, I'd be fine with the new record continuing in that direction.
LOVED PL. :metal
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Absolutely LOVE Symphony X! Got meet-and-greet tickets (and concert tickets) for May at the Wiltern Theater in LA! I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child. I can only imagine the scream that child will bear when it is first brought into this world.
Can't wait for the new album, should be out in a few weeks, eeeek!
Have to say, one of my favorite songs is from PL, "The Sacrifice" or "Domination"
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Absolutely LOVE Symphony X! Got meet-and-greet tickets (and concert tickets) for May at the Wiltern Theater in LA! I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child. I can only imagine the scream that child will bear when it is first brought into this world.
Can't wait for the new album, should be out in a few weeks, eeeek!
Have to say, one of my favorite songs is from PL, "The Sacrifice" or "Domination"
I'm not quite sure about it being out in a couple weeks. I remember MJR mentioning in an update that it should be out around christmas, but I havent heard anything really official lately...
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Absolutely LOVE Symphony X! Got meet-and-greet tickets (and concert tickets) for May at the Wiltern Theater in LA! I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child. I can only imagine the scream that child will bear when it is first brought into this world.
Can't wait for the new album, should be out in a few weeks, eeeek!
Have to say, one of my favorite songs is from PL, "The Sacrifice" or "Domination"
Sacrifice is my favorite, LOVE that song. :tup
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Absolutely LOVE Symphony X! Got meet-and-greet tickets (and concert tickets) for May at the Wiltern Theater in LA! I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child. I can only imagine the scream that child will bear when it is first brought into this world.
Can't wait for the new album, should be out in a few weeks, eeeek!
Have to say, one of my favorite songs is from PL, "The Sacrifice" or "Domination"
I'm not quite sure about it being out in a couple weeks. I remember MJR mentioning in an update that it should be out around christmas, but I havent heard anything really official lately...
Maybe it's just wishful thinking. Just excited about the new album and can't wait to see how his voice has developed. If you listen to the first album til now, you can hear the transition. He's a god.
I liked his stuff with Jorn Lande was good, same with the solo album but something about the way he carries his voice with SX...
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Absolutely LOVE Symphony X! Got meet-and-greet tickets (and concert tickets) for May at the Wiltern Theater in LA! I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child. I can only imagine the scream that child will bear when it is first brought into this world.
Can't wait for the new album, should be out in a few weeks, eeeek!
Have to say, one of my favorite songs is from PL, "The Sacrifice" or "Domination"
I'm not quite sure about it being out in a couple weeks. I remember MJR mentioning in an update that it should be out around christmas, but I havent heard anything really official lately...
Maybe it's just wishful thinking. Just excited about the new album and can't wait to see how his voice has developed. If you listen to the first album til now, you can hear the transition. He's a god.
I liked his stuff with Jorn Lande was good, same with the solo album but something about the way he carries his voice with SX...
I absolutely love his work with Ayreon and Arjen Lucassen(sp?) He has such a powerful voice it's so awesome
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-91MFzaolWc
Watch how Russell Allen just dominates. Puts them to shame.
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Let's hope Symphony X don't end up painting themselves into a corner the way Yngwie did.
This is the second time I've heard that this week. What exactly do you mean by it?
I don't mean to bash either the "neo-classical" genre or Yngwie, but if you take a hard look at YJM's musical career, it was defined by an initial HUGE splash and sensation (deservedly so) created by the mastery and genius of those first few albums with Sotto and JLT on vocals. Quickly after that, however, it seems that his musical scope narrowed and his popularity waned, while he was increasingly viewed as a one-trick-pony who churned out repetitive albums of shredfest after shredfest. It all comes across as rather one-dimensional and AC/DC-ish. Not saying that the quality of Yngwie's more recent albums are poor, as there're tons of folks who greatly enjoy them, but they're just not relevant anymore.
I like what Symphony X has done by building on what Yngwie started and expanding on the sub-genre. Adding more of a keyboard element, using epic themes based on Milton and ancient mythologies/religions etc, exploring other classical composers besides Bach and Mozart (e.g. Holst), adding some proggy compositional elements and delving into longer song forms like The Odyssey. That said, with their talent and technique, I think S-X could still do a whole lot more within the neo-classical sub-genre, pushing the envelope and maybe even stepping outside of the whole neo-classical thing.
Wow, great explanation, thanks!
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I kind of think that's what Paradise Lost is. It's not focused on neo-classical elements at all. It's focused more on bone-crushing heaviness (Not a bad thing at all) than anything.
I agree that Paradise Lost is bone-crushing heavy... more brutal and harsh, which does step outside of what the band had been doing. But I also think the album is a lot less imaginative than Twilight or V.
PL has definitely split their fans into those that either loved it or hated it. It'll be interesting to see which direction the new album takes.
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I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child.
I'm just curious. How exactly does one prepare for that?
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I hear ones diet must consist completely of beer, steak, bacon and beer.
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I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child.
I'm just curious. How exactly does one prepare for that?
Listening to Symphony X while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels...straight.
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I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child.
I'm just curious. How exactly does one prepare for that?
Listening to Symphony X while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels...straight.
:omg: Then that means I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child too! HALP! :dangerwillrobinson:
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I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child.
I'm just curious. How exactly does one prepare for that?
Listening to Symphony X while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels...straight.
:omg: Then that means I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child too! HALP! :dangerwillrobinson:
If you have a working uterus and tits then I'd say you were.
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Bosk1 is carrying Russell Allen's child. Pass it on
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I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child.
I'm just curious. How exactly does one prepare for that?
Listening to Symphony X while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels...straight.
:omg: Then that means I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child too! HALP! :dangerwillrobinson:
If you have a working uterus and tits then I'd say you were.
Well, yes, but they're in the other room fixing dinner.
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LOL! :rollin
Good one.
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I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child.
I'm just curious. How exactly does one prepare for that?
Listening to Symphony X while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels...straight.
:omg: Then that means I'm fully prepared to be impregnated with Russell Allen's child too! HALP! :dangerwillrobinson:
Just accept this, it's easier that way.
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Back off, he's mine!
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I just had to post this because it made me laugh.
Right now, I'm sitting in our student center working on some graphic design stuff. It's Friday, so it's pretty dead around here for the most part. Naturally, I put on some music. I had the intro to "The Odyssey" on.
Some guy walks by and says "Is that Pokémon?" as he leans over my screen expecting to see an emulator.
I was like, "No, just some awesome progressive power metal band, Symphony X." He walked away disappointed.
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I don't know what's worse: ''Pokemon'' or ''Lord of the Dance''.
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I keep thinking these bumps signal a studio update/announcement of the new album - but it's always a disappointment. :|
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So what you do? Bump the thread.
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I already got impregnated by his voice. Just saying.
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Symphony X is on my list of bands to check out this year. Album suggestion please? :D
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Symphony X is on my list of bands to check out this year. Album suggestion please? :D
The Damnation Game, Twilight in Olympus, V, and Paradise Lost
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Symphony X is on my list of bands to check out this year. Album suggestion please? :D
Do you like any "symphonic metal" or "power metal" bands/albums? If so, which ones?
Paradise lost is very heavy, and while it definitely has the symphonic/power metal element, the focus is more on the heavy. My only criticism of the album is that it is less varied and sounds more samey throughout. That, combined with a bit of overcompression, and the fact that it is a concept album with a very loose concept and no real storyline cause me to lose interest at times. But honestly, it's not a bad album at all, and a lot of fans, particularly younger fans, love it to death. I think it is a good representation of the band.
V and The Odyssey, to me, best represent the band's historical sound. They represent the band at the top of their game doing what the band has always done and doing it well, but do not suffer from somewhat dated-sounding production that the earlier albums have. However, the cheese factor is much higher on these albums than on PL, so if you do not like stereotypical cheesey power metal, beware.
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I love Inferno Unleash The Fire if that helps and I dig Something Wicked This Way Comes by Iced Earth. I also dig Bye Bye Beautiful by Nightwish (Only song I know but it is cool) and I love Cry For the Moon by Epica and one or two Kamelot songs.
edit: And I adore Falconer's first album and that is ultimate cheese.
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Get The Divine Wings of Tragedy and V first.
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I love Inferno Unleash The Fire if that helps and I dig Something Wicked This Way Comes by Iced Earth. I also dig Bye Bye Beautiful by Nightwish (Only song I know but it is cool) and I love Cry For the Moon by Epica and one or two Kamelot songs.
If you like Inferno, go with The Odyssey. That song is pretty indicative of how that entire album sounds, so I don't think you can go wrong. After that, based on the other songs you listed, I really don't think you can go wrong with any of their other albums. IMO, V is sonically very similar to The Odyssey, but perhaps a bit more symphonic, and has a lot of cool thematic development given that it is a concept album. Again, PL is heavier and a bit less symphonic, but I get the sense you will like it.
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Thank you, I am going one album at a time for many bands so I am probably going to end up flipping a coin between the Odyssey and V.
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A plus I will give The Odyssey is that the bonus track, Masquerade, is a remake of a song that appeared on one of their earlier albums, so with that song you get a flavor for how their earlier material sounded, which may help you decide whether to pursue any of the material prior to V.
...but a plus I will give V is that it is just friggin' metal! :2metal:
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Gah!!!!!
I will give one of these albums a listen today but first, I am going to check out the second Falconer album.
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Listen to The Odyssey.
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A plus I will give The Odyssey is that the bonus track, Masquerade, is a remake of a song that appeared on one of their earlier albums, so with that song you get a flavor for how their earlier material sounded, which may help you decide whether to pursue any of the material prior to V.
...but a plus I will give V is that it is just friggin' metal! :2metal:
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Masquerade '98 is amazing, mostly because Rod Tyler isn't singing :P
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On Tyler songs I prefer him singing to RA. Don't get the hate for this guy.
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he just wasnt good, plain and simple. the raging seasons wold be brilliant with russell on vocals
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wold
Look at you, getting all Medieval in your language when talking about Symphony X. How cute. :D
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Honestly any album from Divine Wings Of Tragedy onwards is worth it. The Damnation Game is good and has some greats (The Edge Of Forever is one of their best) but all the albums after it are better in my opinion.
V and Paradise Lost are my two favourite. I agree with bosk that it is a bit samey though. That's not necessarily a bad thing when it means that every song is great though - better great songs of a similar nature than vastly different songs with some of them not so good - but it can make listening to it a bit tiresome.
Also Twilight In Olympus would be better off once you've got into the other albums, imo. DWOT + The Oddyssey have the epics which are amazing, V and Paradise Lot are the more consistent albums.
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As much as I love these guys, they need to seriously start making haste with bringing out this new album.
I would like to know how they can even afford to live with such little involvement in touring and new album releases.
Seriously.
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Any album from Divine Wings onward is amazing. Twilight In Olympus is actually a really awesome album will some killer tracks on it (Smoke and Mirrors, Church of the Machine and Through the Looking Glass), it just sounds a little incomplete cause they had to cut the epic title track from the album, which they then expanded into V, so I guess it worked out for the best after all.
As for Paradise Lost, I love the album personally, though Twilight and V are my favorites, I consider PL at least comparable in quality to Divine Wings and Odyssey. Paradise Lost is basically Symphony X's answer to Priest's Painkiller or DT's Train of Thought; it's a straight forward, all out metal album. For what it is, it's amazing, and there are some really stand out cuts on that one too (the title track, Walls of Babylon and Revelations, in particular). If you want a Symphony X album where almost every song is a "Of Sins and Shadows" or "Smoke And Mirrors", balls-to-the-wall, high speed symphonic shred-fest, then you can't do any better then Paradise Lost, but if you want a more balanced album that presents all aspects of the band more evenly, the albums from Divine Wings to Odyssey are a better choice.
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As much as I love these guys, they need to seriously start making haste with bringing out this new album.
I would like to know how they can even afford to live with such little involvement in touring and new album releases.
Seriously.
THIS x infinity
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As much as I love these guys, they need to seriously start making haste with bringing out this new album.
I would like to know how they can even afford to live with such little involvement in touring and new album releases.
Seriously.
Although I do agree, to be fair they are embarking on a tour of at least three months in February.
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As much as I love these guys, they need to seriously start making haste with bringing out this new album.
I would like to know how they can even afford to live with such little involvement in touring and new album releases.
Seriously.
Although I do agree, to be fair they are embarking on a tour of at least three months in February.
And this is why the lack of updates is disturbing. Is this gonna be a tour in support of the new album or not?
That question is glaring to me
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Hard to say. On one hand, I don't see how it could be. If the album was going to drop before the tour, the label should be saying so by now.
However, SX are really in a difficult position as a band. They just aren't quite big enough to have the luxury of being in absolute control over their own destiny in terms of booking and touring schedules, so maybe hte album will drop sometime during the tour, and the currently-planned tour schedule is all they could get right now.
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At any rate, some new material on this tour would be nice.
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Hard to say. On one hand, I don't see how it could be. If the album was going to drop before the tour, the label should be saying so by now.
However, SX are really in a difficult position as a band. They just aren't quite big enough to have the luxury of being in absolute control over their own destiny in terms of booking and touring schedules, so maybe hte album will drop sometime during the tour, and the currently-planned tour schedule is all they could get right now.
That would suck... Philly is the first stop on the US tour :-\
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I was on a huge Syph kick yesterday.
Odysee.
wow
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Symphony X in my opinion are one of the most underated bands in the history of metal. They deserve much more and should be much bigger; on the same level as DT as far as I'm concerned. All of their cd's are amazing, especially the last three. I would love a new live cd to go with the new one in 2011
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Odyssey is a MASTERPIECE
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Currently starting on Paradise Lost after playing through most of The Damnation Game, all of The Divine Wings Of Tragedy and The Odyssey. Twilight In Olympus and V: The New Mythology Suite to follow, if I'm still here studying that long.
I really want to hear something about when the album is released, whether it's 6 months away or even next year. I only discovered Symphony X at the start of last year, and the new album has been only a few months away for an entire year, and more. At least a release date, even if it's far away, is better than nothing. Every day with no word is more chance that the album will never even see the light of day.
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Symphony X has never been the best at keeping the fans updated; the website is fairly weak. Hopefully there will be updates very very soon. This will be one of my most eagerly awaited cd's of 2011
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Eh, after Paradise Lost, I kind of..............lost.....interest. If they keep trying to get heavier (which it seems they are) I'll stop caring.
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I think the biggest problem with Symphony X is that they don't have an internet savvy guy to have a twitter to update people.
Also, I'm predicting a bit of a step down from the heaviness on the next album. They've been progressing in heaviness the same way DT did. PL was their TOT, and the next one might be their 8VM.
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As good as they are they don't put the work in.
This genre demands you bust your ass, and Symphony X seem to have all the time in the world.
Which is fair enough if they have other means to make money. They could be so much more though.
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I don't mind the heavier stuff, but my fav albums from the band are the ones in which Miller contributed. Damnation Game to Twilight in Olympus are great.
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I love everything they have released so far, so as long as the new material falls within those realms, I will be happy
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I think the biggest problem with Symphony X is that they don't have an internet savvy guy to have a twitter to update people.
Also, I'm predicting a bit of a step down from the heaviness on the next album. They've been progressing in heaviness the same way DT did. PL was their TOT, and the next one might be their 8VM.
Considering that DT's 8vm was supposed to be a "back to the roots" album....
I wouldn't mind epic neo-classical work + semi-heavy progressiveness. I wouldn't mind it at all.
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As good as they are they don't put the work in.
This genre demands you bust your ass, and Symphony X seem to have all the time in the world.
Which is fair enough if they have other means to make money. They could be so much more though.
What else do they do? I know Russell Allen was a knight at Medieval Times (which was seriously metal to the max) but now what?
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As good as they are they don't put the work in.
This genre demands you bust your ass, and Symphony X seem to have all the time in the world.
Which is fair enough if they have other means to make money. They could be so much more though.
What else do they do? I know Russell Allen was a knight at Medieval Times (which was seriously metal to the max) but now what?
I know Russell does his solo stuff and records alot with Aryeon and Star One , I don't know what the others have been doing.
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Yeah, the solo and the stuff with Jorn...ok how freakin amazing would it be if he and Jorn had a couple songs together on the tour coming up?! Come on...I HAVE to see them perform together. This studio only crap isn't fair.
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The Allen/Lande cd last year "The Showdown" was awesome; I love all three of them. It will hold me over for awhile, but I need a new Symphony X release soon!!
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I've been thinking about how nostalgia affects my opinions when it comes to albums. The first SX I heard was Twilight in Olympus, and to this day, that's my favorite. I just don't get it when one of the band members (Romeo?) states in an interview (Classic Rock presents PROG) that Paradise Lost is their best by far, and that Twilight is his least favorite. But there you go. Twilight and Divine Wings will always be my faves.
It's the same with DT for me. Images and Words got me hooked, and so nothing will ever surpass that. Not saying it's the same for everyone else, though.
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I've been thinking about how nostalgia affects my opinions when it comes to albums. The first SX I heard was Twilight in Olympus, and to this day, that's my favorite. I just don't get it when one of the band members (Romeo?) states in an interview (Classic Rock presents PROG) that Paradise Lost is their best by far, and that Twilight is his least favorite. But there you go. Twilight and Divine Wings will always be my faves.
It's the same with DT for me. Images and Words got me hooked, and so nothing will ever surpass that. Not saying it's the same for everyone else, though.
Man, do not listen to the artist talking about his albums. They always say the best is the last one and the worst is always the most different album from the last one. It's all promotion.
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You have a point there...
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That's true, but it's also true people often think the first one they listened to is the best. I know I still think of Paradise Lost as their best and that was the first of theirs I tried. V is the only one that's possibly better or as good, for me.
But yeah, it's be a pretty poor interview if a member of the band just says "Well this latest record's all right, I don't think it's as great as our last but whatever..."
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As much as I love these guys, they need to seriously start making haste with bringing out this new album.
I would like to know how they can even afford to live with such little involvement in touring and new album releases.
Seriously.
I agree dude, they all must have day jobs washing dishes or something. Getting any info from them is like pulling teeth. If they were half as involved as Dream Theater they could be as big. Two records in nine years blows and no DVD to speak of. What the fuck, and I love these guys.
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In an interview during Sweden Rock Festival 2007, they said they had so many ideas for paradise lost that could be used for later albums that next album wouldn't be coming in another 5 years but much sooner. So much for those promises.
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Well, Russell Allen did just have another kid not too long ago...so he has 2 kids and a wife to keep happy, I'm sure that keeps him busy?
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Apparently... it does. :P
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I agree with LTE3; Symphony X should be as big as DT. However, that comment seems to stir some debate; but I really believe that. Obviously Romeo is a wizard on the guitar and their epic tracks are just that-epic (The Odyssey rules!). I think that Russell Allen is awesome and in my opinion is one of the most underrated metal singer's along with Ripper Owens and Zak Stevens. Great, great band but there are too long of gaps in between releases.
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I agree with LTE3; Symphony X should be as big as DT. However, that comment seems to stir some debate; but I really believe that. Obviously Romeo is a wizard on the guitar and their epic tracks are just that-epic (The Odyssey rules!). I think that Russell Allen is awesome and in my opinion is one of the most underrated metal singer's along with Ripper Owens and Zak Stevens. Great, great band but there are too long of gaps in between releases.
Russell's voice is amazing, and holds up great live. I got the feeling at times after reading the DT biography and just in general that Mike P would have loved Jame's voice to be more like Russells especially during this metal phase he has been going through. I recall when Paradise Lost came out I thought it was a better effort then Systematic Chaos, and it had much longer staying power in my car stereo. I still crank it often, expecially when I am working out. It just has this groove.
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SymX is really great.. they are big around the NJ area obviously, Romeo is a monster..
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Romeo is a monster..
He might look like one, but he's just a person like you or me.
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:lol asshole
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Romeo is a monster..
He might look like one, but he's just a person like you or me.
Adami, you're a dick.
...But I lol'd. Quite hard.
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I would love to hear an album with Russell Allen and James Labrie; just like Allen has been doing with Jorn Lande.
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Romeo is a monster..
He might look like one, but he's just a person like you or me.
LOL... I believe you are correct!
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Just came in to say Stallions posts back a ways reminded of Stan by Eminem.
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Just came
lol
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Romeo is a monster..
He might look like one, but he's just a person like you or me.
Adami, you're a dick.
...But I lol'd. Quite hard.
To be fair, I thinkt he guy is quite awesome.
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I've been thinking about how nostalgia affects my opinions when it comes to albums. The first SX I heard was Twilight in Olympus, and to this day, that's my favorite. I just don't get it when one of the band members (Romeo?) states in an interview (Classic Rock presents PROG) that Paradise Lost is their best by far, and that Twilight is his least favorite. But there you go. Twilight and Divine Wings will always be my faves.
It's the same with DT for me. Images and Words got me hooked, and so nothing will ever surpass that. Not saying it's the same for everyone else, though.
Man, do not listen to the artist talking about his albums. They always say the best is the last one and the worst is always the most different album from the last one. It's all promotion.
Now that is real truth. Anytime a new album comes out, an artist tends to salivate all over it to sell it as much as possible, and they tend to downplay the quality of whatever album is the least like their most recent work. Symphony X is particularly guilty of this since they barely even acknowledge the two albums before Divine Wings, and aside from a few classics from Twilight they don't really seem to like that album either. I guess I can understand Romeo being disappointed that they weren't able to complete the epic title track for that album, but it still has some of their best songs and it stands well enough on it's own. At a certain point you've just got to move on and live with your past, and realize that some of your "mistakes" may be moments that are most endearing to your fans.
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Was hoping the thread getting bumped meant there was some news.
Disappointed again...
This is weird though. The album has to be close to done by now. You'd think there'd be some news by now. Especially with a tour coming up.
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Yeah i'm annoyed
Same with the whole DT drummer thing
Seriously, do lawyers have all this shit tied up?
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Yeah i'm annoyed
Same with the whole DT drummer thing
Seriously, do lawyers have all this shit tied up?
Jason Rullo is joining DT.
Bet no one saw THAT coming.
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Yeah, Rullo in DT and Thomas Walling back in SX would be sweet.
I've been listening to TiO these last few days and it is just as fresh and awesome as when I first heard back in 1998. Something I can't really say about their other albums (although they are still awesome, minus PL). Too bad Romeo's brain cells have been replaced with fat ones and they get more and more one-dimensional since V.
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HAHA MICHAEL ROMEO IS FAT HAHA
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I think I'm more entertained by the fact that Michael Romeo never changes facial expressions in any of the promo pictures Symphony X takes, over the fact that he's fat.
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I think I'm more entertained by the fact that Michael Romeo never changes facial expressions in any of the promo pictures Symphony X takes, over the fact that he's fat.
Michael Romeo is John Myung?
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I think I'm more entertained by the fact that Michael Romeo never changes facial expressions in any of the promo pictures Symphony X takes, over the fact that he's fat.
Michael Romeo is John Myung?
No, I've actually heard Michael Romeo talk. He has much to learn if he is to master Myung's art of total silence.
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Like by turning his guitar down really low in the mix?
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Yeah i'm annoyed
Same with the whole DT drummer thing
Seriously, do lawyers have all this shit tied up?
Jason Rullo is joining DT.
Bet no one saw THAT coming.
That would rull.
Oh.
:|
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Yeah, Rullo in DT and Thomas Walling back in SX would be sweet.
I've been listening to TiO these last few days and it is just as fresh and awesome as when I first heard back in 1998. Something I can't really say about their other albums (although they are still awesome, minus PL). Too bad Romeo's brain cells have been replaced with fat ones and they get more and more one-dimensional since V.
Ah yes the good ole Malmsteen symphonic rock clone days, dude are you kidding? There's no accounting for taste, but those old albums don't touch the new ones.
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I don't know which is cleaner, Michael Romeo's sweep picking or his plates.
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:lol
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Yeah i'm annoyed
Same with the whole DT drummer thing
Seriously, do lawyers have all this shit tied up?
Jason Rullo is joining DT.
Bet no one saw THAT coming.
That would rull.
Oh.
:|
Yep, and the Portnoy is gonna join Symphony X, and then Russel will have to change his name to Mike so every member of that band is named Mike. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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i can see it now! not to mention MP will want to throw in his beastly vocals and RA will just thrash them to shreds! RA will accept the challenge and defeat with no contest!
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I don't know which is cleaner, Michael Romeo's sweep picking or his plates.
I laughed really hard at this. :rollin
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I don't know which is cleaner, Michael Romeo's sweep picking or his plates.
Fat joke of the year.
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Because I have to:
"Little did people know back when Michael Romeo was back in high school that he already had the plans laid for Symphony X, complete with this early promo picture."
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/DTF/RomeoHS.jpg)
Yeah, I only have MS Paint. :(
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I hate you.
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:rollin Are you stalking me, or do you have some sort of alarm that goes off whenever I post about you?
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No, that was honestly pure coincidence. I figured since the thread gained a few replies since yesterday that something happened, and I came in to see this. >:(
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I completely forgot about that picture. :lol
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I look more like Hansi anyway. AND a chick at a concert said I looked like Akerfeldt, so, in the words of Cartman.
(https://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt283/carmenLikeMe/stuff/708353ktyzp004l8.gif)
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What was she smoking? You look absolutely nothing like Akerfeldt.
I definitely see the Michael Romeo thing though.
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I don't know which is cleaner, Michael Romeo's sweep picking or his plates.
Funniest thing I've read all day. Holy shit.
Also, UMH, umad.
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(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs172.snc3/19950_1352896741120_1192458919_31067755_4814090_n.jpg)(https://www.guitariste.com/img/articles/09062003michael-romeo-en.jpg)
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Now look at Hansi. And plus, I don't necessarily look the same in Facebook photos as I do IRL, and that photo (especially the one in the shoop) is pretty old.
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Wait...which one of those is you?
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I don't know which is cleaner, Michael Romeo's sweep picking or his plates.
:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/user/DrumRulloPlease
Jason Rullo's videos, don't know is this his profile but great vids
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Great video, awesome drumming
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Listening to Odyssey. Such an epic song. One of the best ever.
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Odyssey is a musical masterpiece!
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Just read on blabbermouth that the new album "Iconoclast" is in post production. Artwork and pictures are being done shortly and the cd should be released in the spring. Awesome news!
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https://www.youtube.com/user/DrumRulloPlease
Jason Rullo's videos, don't know is this his profile but great vids
Jason Rullo is a very talented and underrated drummer. :)
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Who are you and what have you done with Adami? ...... Iconoclast is an interesting title, but great news!
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Allen saying it's heavier than Paradise Lost and has 1 ballad-type song on the album.
Personally, I am more than happy with that. I am in the minority on this forum, who prefers SX's heavier touch.
This album is gonna contain some absolute kick-ass riffs. Hopefully after 4 years they've put the effort in.
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Well that's kinda disappointing to me as I love Russell's softer voice, but I do still love the heavy stuff. Maybe the songs will be heavy and feature non Raspy Russell too.
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I feel like I've heard that album title before somewhere. Either another album, a movie, or something, but it's definitely familiar.
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I feel like I've heard that album title before somewhere. Either another album, a movie, or something, but it's definitely familiar.
Scar Symmetry has a song from their latest album called The Iconclast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJ01A28qS8
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Here's the interview;
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=153030
"Sonically, it's in the realm of that one in a way, in terms of the sound of things; the guitar sound is a little different. Basically, the album is pretty intense — probably the most intense record we've ever done; it's chock-full of riffs — tons of great riffs. It's heavy, the music, but the singing is very melodic in terms of its... the choruses are real strong, the verses are real strong, but I'm singing aggressively — a lot of that going on — 'cause the topic is, again, very dark; you know, that's what we do. So the album's very powerful. And, of course, we do have one song that's like a little mini-epic, so to speak, and it's the lightest — a light, light, light song. So there is a contrast on the record of that one song that has that sort of 'Paradise Lost' feel to it; it's a ballad, I guess, if you wanna call it that."
He continued, "This album will contain a good body of work that harkens back to a lot of early metal — some early metal — and a lot of SYMPHONY X standards that you guys know already, and a little bit of a newer sound, too, here and there — just a newer direction. Some of the singing parts, I tried some more rhythmic things that I was hearing that sounded pretty cool, and some different things that I'm doing with my voice now that are a little more looking to the future of what we hear the music going. It's just the next progression for us, where we are as writers and stuff, but it's pretty intense — it's way more intense than 'Paradise Lost', if you can believe that."
When asked about the "Iconoclast" lyrical concept, Russell said, "It is basically just the idea of machines taking over everything and all this technology we put our society into pretty much being our demise. It's a story we were all familiar with, but we put our own spin on it. It's not a linear story in terms of... This is just the theme of the record, so all the songs are in that theme, but they're not connected in any sort of story way — there's no characters of any of that stuff — it's just a theme. Like [PINK FLOYD's] 'The Dark Side Of The Moon', it's really just a theme of the dark side of the moon — one song deals with death, the other one deals with time... You know what I mean?! So it's the same kind of thing. I'm not comparing the two albums by any means — don't misunderstand me — but in terms of the idea of a concept, so to speak, the concept is there, but it's not a story record — not like [2002's] 'The Odyssey', where the song 'The Odyssey' is that story."
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Cool - good to hear an update! Although I was hoping for something less Paradise Lost-ish, I'm sure it'll still be incredible.
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Amazing to finally hear news. Would be great if what it said was true and we get it within the next 2 or 3 months... but I'm hoping that at least means it'll be out by summer.
Not sure how thrilled to hear the comparisons to Paradise Lost. PL is probably my favourite album by them but at the same time I don't want to have all aggressive singing (like Domination or something). But you can't really tell how the album will sound based on what the band members say - half the time the "new, heavier album" isn't actually heavier.
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According to someone at the Ultimate Metal forum for Symphony X, they spoke with Rullo at NAMM and they'll be performing some songs from the new album live BEFORE it's out. So hopefully it'll be out by summer
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Awesome news.
Also, Symphony X have some of the most amazing choruses.
Dream on! Do you believe all the things that you're seeing are true?
The start's where the end's leading you!
Dream on! Do you believe all's as twisted as one would perceive?
Seek the answers and soon you'll believe!
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Amazing news. I'm looking forward to this album a lot, considering the amazing musical trip Paradise Lost was.
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Nice to finally hear an update. It'll be interesting what they bring out in this album. I really wasn't a big fan of paradise lost.
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Wow, an update from Symphony X? It feels so out of place now.
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Can't wait to see Symphony X and Nevermore together this year! Jeff Loomis and Mike Romeo should have a shred-off! Who would win?
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We would.
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Finally!! The return of one of my fav bands!
Let's see what these amazing guys will show in the new album. For me it'll be good if its something like Paradise Lost or Odyssey, or V or whatever. I like all their albums.
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Great to finally get an update. I would have liked them to have moved away from the Paradise Lost heaviness, but I'm sure it'll be a kickass album nonetheless. Can't wait to see them in Montreal in April!
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We would.
Indeed!
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Please, for the love of all that is holy, BE BETTER THAN PARADISE LOST!
I really don't want to give up on this band...too many good memories...
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Please, for the love of all that is holy, BE BETTER THAN PARADISE LOST!
I really don't want to give up on this band...too many good memories...
Paradise Lost is a good album
IT IS
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It's also boring, though.
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After the title track things get a bit samey but it's still great.
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Please, for the love of all that is holy, BE BETTER THAN PARADISE LOST!
I really don't want to give up on this band...too many good memories...
I'd give up if I were you.
PL was a brilliant album. One of their best, IMO.
Better get used to it buddy.
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As long as it's as good as Twilight, I'd be glad. But anything below Odyssey, no thanks.
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Please, for the love of all that is holy, BE BETTER THAN PARADISE LOST!
I really don't want to give up on this band...too many good memories...
I'd give up if I were you.
PL was a brilliant album. One of their best, IMO.
Better get used to it buddy.
PL was okay, nowhere near as good as V or DWOT, I really wish they would write something closer to those albums. Either way I'm sure I will buy whatever they produce and I'll enjoy it hopefully.
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Allen saying it's heavier than Paradise Lost and has 1 ballad-type song on the album.
Personally, I am more than happy with that. I am in the minority on this forum, who prefers SX's heavier touch.
This album is gonna contain some absolute kick-ass riffs. Hopefully after 4 years they've put the effort in.
I agree with you, their heavy songs are kick ass. I love the Goove Metal sounds of Paradise Lost. The new disc sound a little like Lamb of God with someone who can sing his ass off.
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When artists release two albums of extremely similar material, you only expect a year or two between release dates, at best. If they've just messed around for 4 years to release Paradise Lost 2.0, I'm going to be very disappointed. But I will of course wait until I've heard the album to make such judgements.
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I liked Paradise Lost. A lot. But I'd rather they switch it up a bit
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I liked Paradise Lost. A lot. But I'd rather they switch it up a bit
(https://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/prowisp/Ditto.jpg)
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Just read the interview, and it kind of sounds like they are making a concept album out of the "Church of the Machine" song. Really cool, as I like that song a lot lyrically (and musically).
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All of their albums rule and I am fully confident that the new one will too!
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All of their albums rule and I am fully confident that the new one will too!
Even the self titled?
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Actually I forgot all about the self titled album. I bought it and got rid of it within a couple of weeks. Tyler's vocals just drove me up the wall and was such a let down compared to RA. I tried a few times to get into it, but it just didn't work. I thought it might be vocal's that are different and you just have to get used to (ie Udo)- but I just found them straight up annoying.. It was like listening to somebody scratch a chalkboard. Not sure if it's been brought up before, but I would be interested in hearing what the opinions are of the debut.
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Actually I forgot all about the self titled album. I bought it and got rid of it within a couple of weeks. Tyler's vocals just drove me up the wall and was such a let down compared to RA. I tried a few times to get into it, but it just didn't work. I thought it might be vocal's that are different and you just have to get used to (ie Udo)- but I just found them straight up annoying.. It was like listening to somebody scratch a chalkboard. Not sure if it's been brought up before, but I would be interested in hearing what the opinions are of the debut.
The ironic thing is that on the Danse Macabre demos, Rod Tyler sounds much better, so I don't know why he would sound worse on the actual album. Maybe the production on the album was just that shitty; or maybe, like Charlie, it's hard to get into his vox style after hearing all the other albums with a different singer. It's probably a combination of both. I honestly don't think the first album is bad from a compositional point of view; there are some damn cool songs on there and is interesting to hear a embryonic Symphony X; but the bad production and vox really drag it down.
P.S. Pretty much anybody is a let down compared to Russ; that man is a vocal GOD! :metal :metal :metal
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P.S. Pretty much anybody is a let down compared to Russ; that man is a vocal GOD! :metal :metal :metal
This.
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i cant understand the negativity towards paradise lost; it's not THAT different from their previous work...a little more straight-forward than the previous two, but not much...and a little heavier than everything before, but again, not much.
the only reservations i had after my initial few listens were russell's vox. they seemed like they were a little 'much' at first, but it didnt take too long to get past that (and actually ended up thinking the vox were possibly better than ever)
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i cant understand the negativity towards paradise lost; it's not THAT different from their previous work...a little more straight-forward than the previous two, but not much...and a little heavier than everything before, but again, not much.
the only reservations i had after my initial few listens were russell's vox. they seemed like they were a little 'much' at first, but it didnt take too long to get past that (and actually ended up thinking the vox were possibly better than ever)
That's where I and a lot of people will disagree.
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im not sure i understand which point you mean...or which side of the fence youre on, for that matter.
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also...no release date announced yet? im anticipating so many albums this year, but try getting a release date more than 6 weeks in advance fuck.
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The first album isn't that bad. Hell, if Russell sang on it and it was given better production, it wouldn't be the weakest album, Paradise Lost would be.
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I know I've mentioned this before but I'll say it again: Just like Judas Priest made Painkiller for the people who wanted an album where every song was a "Freewheel Burning", and DT did much the same with Train of Though being nearly 70 min of non-stop "Pull Me Unders", Symphony X made Paradise Lost so they could have an album where every song was a supercharged symphonic thrash fest a la "Sins and Shadows" or "Smoke and Mirrors". So when people bad mouth PL, it's basically the same as when people hate on Painkiller or TOT: "Why does it have to be so METAL?!?!" Ummmm.... maybe because they are a metal band, and many metal bands at one point or another do an album that is just pure adrenaline from top to bottom. There is nothing wrong with it, just another side of the band. And it is rarely something that becomes the norm for every successive album. Even Slayer didn't try to out-metal Reign In Blood. Also, for better or worse, it is songs like "Sins and Shadows" that people know Symphony X for, just like when most people hear the name Dream Theater, odds are the first song that pops into their head is not gonna be "Anna Lee" or "Space Dye-Vest". It's gonna be "Pull Me Under", "Metropolis", "Take the Time", "Lie" or, for younger fans, something like "As I Am" or "Panic Attack". So it is perfectly natural that Symphony X would want to do a pure metal album at least once in their career. I don't see what the problem is with that. PL isn't my favorite SX album; V is, but I still think that PL is great in the same way the above mentioned Pure-Metal albums are. It is what it is. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but understand that is your personal taste, not some indication that the album is fundamentally flawed just because it isn't as proggy or has less ballads then the previous ones.
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Great post Dark Master.
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I know I've mentioned this before but I'll say it again: Just like Judas Priest made Painkiller for the people who wanted an album where every song was a "Freewheel Burning", and DT did much the same with Train of Though being nearly 70 min of non-stop "Pull Me Unders", Symphony X made Paradise Lost so they could have an album where every song was a supercharged symphonic thrash fest a la "Sins and Shadows" or "Smoke and Mirrors". So when people bad mouth PL, it's basically the same as when people hate on Painkiller or TOT: "Why does it have to be so METAL?!?!" Ummmm.... maybe because they are a metal band, and many metal bands at one point or another do an album that is just pure adrenaline from top to bottom. There is nothing wrong with it, just another side of the band. And it is rarely something that becomes the norm for every successive album. Even Slayer didn't try to out-metal Reign In Blood. Also, for better or worse, it is songs like "Sins and Shadows" that people know Symphony X for, just like when most people hear the name Dream Theater, odds are the first song that pops into their head is not gonna be "Anna Lee" or "Space Dye-Vest". It's gonna be "Pull Me Under", "Metropolis", "Take the Time", "Lie" or, for younger fans, something like "As I Am" or "Panic Attack". So it is perfectly natural that Symphony X would want to do a pure metal album at least once in their career. I don't see what the problem is with that. PL isn't my favorite SX album; V is, but I still think that PL is great in the same way the above mentioned Pure-Metal albums are. It is what it is. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but understand that is your personal taste, not some indication that the album is fundamentally flawed just because it isn't as proggy or has less ballads then the previous ones.
I guess i would agree with this, I also love PL, great album.
Oh, and I have never heard anyone hate on Painkiller.
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How in the hell is Train of Thought an album of Pull Me Under's? :lol
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How in the hell is Train of Thought an album of Pull Me Under's? :lol
Lol.
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Damn, if PL was 70mins of SaD and S&M that would have been so amazing and not boring, tiring after 2 weeks of the album's release.
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Watch Mike and Russell will get their album out before Symph X. Can't wait for that project.
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/symphony_x_new_album_title_revealed.html
During a brand new interview with DJ JC Green of Metal Messiah Radio's "Heavy Metal Thunder" show, vocalist Russell Allen of New Jersey's progressive metal masters Symphony X revealed that the band has set "Iconoclast" as the title of its eighth album, due later this year via Nuclear Blast Records.
When asked what stage of the recording/mixing process the new CD is in, Allen replied, "We are in post-production, so the album is pretty much almost done. At this point, mixes are being wrapped up and finalized and it's off to mastering and should be ready for release in a few months — definitely first quarter of 2011. We've got the artworks all done, we're taking pictures next week... all that good stuff. So everything's on track for release pretty soon."
:metal :metal :metal
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Holy shit!! :metal
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Finally! :metal
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About time. ;D
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nice. :hat
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YES!!!!!!!!
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I actually knew about this days ago.
I just forgot to post it here :P
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I actually knew about this days ago.
I just forgot to post it here :P
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SETLIST FROM THE SYMPHONY X SHOW LAST NIGHT IN STUTTGART GERMANY:
1. Of Sins and Shadows
2. Domination
3. Serpent's Kiss
4. END OF INNOCENCE
5. Paradise Lost
6. Inferno (Unleash the Fire)
7. Smoke & Mirrors
8. DEHUMANIZED
9. Set the World on Fire (The Lie of Lies)
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10. Sea of Lies
I'm gonna be looking on youtube for these new songs soon
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If you happen to find one of the new songs, post. POST IT POST IT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8czvj8PEwJM&
Just found it, listening now. Heavy and fast paced, with a more melodic chorus. Verses sound a bit like Inferno. Pretty cool section at the bridge.
Hope this album comes out soon :metal I really don't want to listen to this crappy Youtube recording too much but I probably will if the album isn't out.
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Sounds a lot like standard Symphony X :(
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I like it. Hope the album is released before the gig I'm going to in May.
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I like this. a lot. Yes I think I will enjoy this album. ;D
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Yeah, awesome song, great to hear the keyboards actually making a difference a heavy song again.
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Awesome!
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:2metal:
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Sounds a lot like standard Symphony X :(
I don't say I don't like but there's nothing special there :sad:
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Lets hope it's one of the worse tracks on the album in that case.
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Yeah, awesome song, great to hear the keyboards actually making a difference a heavy song again.
This.
I heard the heaviness of PL with interested keyboards again, so I'm happy!
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OMFG! EoI is absolutely fantastic! It's amazing to hear singing Russell Allen. He is by far the best singer out there technically.
Inconoclast is gonna be a masterpice. I like all SX albums, Paradise Lost was for me astonishing. These guys can just make good music.
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This song is pretty kickass!! :metal
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That song was great. If all the songs have good keyboard involvement (maybe even a few solos?), I'll be very happy, since that's the only thing wrong with Paradise Lost.
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V is one of my favorite albums of all time. Epic is the way to describe it. Feels like watching a movie when I'm going through it.
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The new song sounds awesome! As others have said, it's nice to hear keyboards again. :metal
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We can only hope that the keys will be mixed higher in the actual CD
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It is an OK song but nothing more, typical SX. I was hoping for something more different, hopefully the other songs on the album are better.
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Why do you people sound disapointed when you say "typical SX"? For us who likes SX, isn't that a good thing...? What exactly do you want them to do?
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Yeah. I wouldn't want them to make a non-SX song. What would that be?
???
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I never understand why people wants to hear in a band another style that is not the one that made the band succesfull.
I mean, I know a band, I like it and suddenly I want them to play another styles¿?
Well, that just means you are tired of the band, but then you can always hear another one. The style, is the style, and I don't want them to change it. Of course there's a wide range of songs inside one style, and I think SX always have variety and innovation.
Many people is just sick of listening too much metal, or pop or whataver and they try to find something existing just on their heads. The best thing in that case is just to go away and listen to another band to find what they need, imo.
It's true that many bands sounds almost the same in every album, but seriously I don't think SX is one of them.
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I actually hear more Twilight in Olympus influence in this song. So it's definitely more diverse than PL right off the bat. But there are more songs we haven't heard yet, so who knows?
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Why do you people sound disapointed when you say "typical SX"? For us who likes SX, isn't that a good thing...? What exactly do you want them to do?
It is an OK song but nothing more, typical SX. I was hoping for something more different, hopefully the other songs on the album are better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obP3x4wsKnc
Dehumanized. Not sure if it's better than End Of Innocence but it's got a good guitar solo. Can't really tell just how good these songs will be until the album comes out though.
I kind of understand why people don't want just standard Symphony X. I'm not one to want a band to alter their sound all the time just for the sake of being different - if what they do is good then I'm happy for them to keep doing it. I don't want to feel like they're repeating themselves though, there has to be something new to make the new album compare to the old ones.
On the other hand, I'd be happy if all the songs were sounding like Accolade, Odyssey, Paradise Lost or Revelation, even though those are pretty standard Symphony X.
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The entire solo section was eargasmic. You hear some Floyd influence there too, in the latter part of the solo.
Just amazing.
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Sounds awesome.
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Great song, and a cool solo section. Russell Allen is a beast! These guys seriously need to do a live DVD.
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The bridge and solo section were great. The rest of the song just felt 'good' to me but it's hard to tell, really. The quality and balance of this video isn't as good as the other one. Still, it's definitely got me excited for the new album!
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4:20 in Divine Wings is just eargasmic. Woah. I get the chills every time...
SO PSYCHED FOR THE NEW ALBUM
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Good god. That riff in the chorus of Dehumanized is awesome. :metal
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Great song, and a cool solo section. Russell Allen is a beast! These guys seriously need to do a live DVD.
They recorded material for a DVD last year. If they stick to their regular release schedule it should be out sometime around 2016.
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Great song, and a cool solo section. Russell Allen is a beast! These guys seriously need to do a live DVD.
They recorded material for a DVD last year. If they stick to their regular release schedule it should be out sometime around 2016.
They did? When was this?
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Great song, and a cool solo section. Russell Allen is a beast! These guys seriously need to do a live DVD.
They recorded material for a DVD last year. If they stick to their regular release schedule it should be out sometime around 2016.
Nah, I was thinking more like 2025.
That would give them enough time to find someone to edit the footage. They'd also need to find some dvd boxes, which could take a few more years.
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According to setlist.fm, they played a song called Heretic on Feb 27th in Antwerp Belgium
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Man, I want a release date. If they can get this out in April, I'll have a few days to spam the album before the show.
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Man, I want a release date. If they can get this out in April, I'll have a few days to spam the album before the show.
As awesome as that would be, I feel like a month and a half is too short a time from now. They'll want to promote it and such.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obP3x4wsKnc
Dehumanized.
It kind of reminds me a bit of the heavier songs from V, like "Fallen" and "Absence of Light", with a middle section like something from Twilight's "Through the Looking Glass". I wish the sound quality was better because it sounds like Pinnela has some fucking sick keyboard parts in this song. Grrr. Oh well, I guess I will just have to wait for the album.
Heh, I remember someone a while back saying "Can't Twilight and V have sex so we can record the baby?" or something along those lines, which I totally agree with since those are my fav two SX albums. Since both "End of Innocence" and "Dehumanized" clearly have influences from both of those albums, I am on the verge of having some sort of mental/emotional/spiritual breakdown from the anticipation of pure awesomeness.
Thank you, Symphony X, for reminding me why I placed you in the same league as Dream Theater, Queensryche and Savatage in the first place!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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According to setlist.fm, they played a song called Heretic on Feb 27th in Antwerp Belgium
Must
Hear
Song
:metal
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According to setlist.fm, they played a song called Heretic on Feb 27th in Antwerp Belgium
Angels fall all for you?
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Argh I can't find Heretic anywhere
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I don't think there's anyone better at kick-ass riffs than SX :metal
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True dat.
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Also, in one of the Dehumanized videos, Russell says that the album should be out in June...
Why can't any news come from the label?
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June?
I can't wait that long :(
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I'm not into SymX anymore, but in this song (End of Innocence) I can hear more of the stuff that I used to like about them. Melodic choruses, a bit of harmony vox, cheesy keys, proggy stuff, Russell actually singing. This is awesome stuff, I'm really gonna try to get into that new album. It's been a while since I've tried to like a power/prog metal album.
That solo was tight! Weird, MJR's solos on Paradise Lost didn't do a thing for me. And awesome, he's using ENGL amps nowadays? I knew something was up, couldn't hear the MIDI sound he used to have. This is way better.
Edit: Wow the solo in Dehumanized is just great. Good balance between emotion and shredding/flashiness. Sounds like he's more confident about his licks, so he plays less of them, but with more feel. Big thumbs up to MJR!
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Good god. That riff in the chorus of Dehumanized is awesome. :metal
I agree, sounds awesome. Not sure about A of I yet need the album to make honest opinion. Some specific news please as to the release date and a song on itunes is long over due.
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(https://cdn.theurbandaily.com/files/2010/10/Good-News3.jpg)
Release date: Nuclear Blast has June 17th posted
Tracklist:
CD1:
01. Iconoclast
02. The End Of Innocence
03. Dehumanized
04. Bastards Of The Machine
05. Heretic
06. Children Of A Faceless God
07. When All Is Lost
CD2:
01. Electric Messiah
02. Prometheus (I Am Alive)
03. Light Up The Night
04. The Lords Of Chaos
05. Reign In Madness
FUCK YEAH SYMPHONY X :metal
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Sweet 2 CD! I IS EXCITE!
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2CD's!! Holy shit!! :eek :metal
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holy frick :eek!!!! 2CD's? wow can June 17th be more awesome?!!! :D
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Wow, I was not expecting a double album. Awesome!
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I'm cautiously excited.
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It looks like there will be three different editions:
1 CD Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/cd/symphony-x-iconoclast.html):
01. Iconoclast
02. The End Of Innocence
03. Dehumanized
04. Bastards Of The Machine
05. Heretic
06. Children Of A Faceless God
07. Electric Messiah
08. Prometheus (I Am Alive)
09. When All Is Lost
2 CD Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/2cd-digi/symphony-x-iconoclast.html):
CD 1
01. Iconoclast
02. The End Of Innocence
03. Dehumanized
04. Bastards Of The Machine
05. Heretic
06. Children Of A Faceless God
07. When All Is Lost
CD 2
08. Electric Messiah
09. Prometheus (I Am Alive)
10. Light Up The Night
11. The Lords Of Chaos
12. Reign In Madness
2 LP Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/sonstiges/symphony-x-iconoclast.html):
Side A
01. Iconoclast
02. The End Of Innocence
03. Dehumanized
Side B
04. Bastards Of The Machine
05. Heretic
06. Children Of A Faceless God
Side C
07. When All Is Lost
08. Electric Messiah
09. Prometheus (I Am Alive)
Side D
10. Light Up The Night
11. The Lords Of Chaos
12. Reign In Madness
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Why on earth would anyone purchase the 1cd edition?
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I'm cautiously excited.
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Why on earth would anyone purchase the 1cd edition?
Price I guess, but I was wondering that myself. If the three extra songs are shorter tracks I can see people (less devoted fans) choosing the 1 CD edition.
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Why on earth would anyone purchase the 1cd edition?
Price I guess, but I was wondering that myself. If the three extra songs are shorter tracks I can see people (less devoted fans) choosing the 1 CD edition.
I would understand if they were considered as bonus tracks, but if they are regular album tracks, that would seem a bit strange.
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With two cd's, there's gotta be some killer epic tracks!
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Wow! Great news!
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Double Album?!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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:2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal::2metal:
This is going to be epic
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Whee! :caffeine:
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
OMFG!!!!!!!!! E-P-I-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Link? :lol
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I've been thinking of committing Symphony X for 3 years now.
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I've been thinking of committing Symphony X for 3 years now.
There is still hope.
As bad as life may seem, Symphony X is never the answer.
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Link? :lol
yeah link please with release info? or is it not "up" yet? :metal
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I've been thinking of committing Symphony X for 3 years now.
Oh come on tick. No one hates you here. Stop being so melodramatic.
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Link? :lol
It looks like there will be three different editions:
1 CD Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/cd/symphony-x-iconoclast.html)
2 CD Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/2cd-digi/symphony-x-iconoclast.html)
2 LP Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/sonstiges/symphony-x-iconoclast.html)
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this is going to be one epic june.. first Symphony X album then the launch of AMDs bulldozer :3 /nerd
but seriously all the live recordings of the new material are forking amazing :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Every awesome album is coming out in June. This is an awesome year.
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I have too much to get excited over. :metal
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Every awesome album is coming out in June. This is an awesome year.
What else is? Nick hasn't updated the album release thread in too long.
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In June alone we've got 2 new Devin Townsend albums, a new Alestorm album, new Symphony X, and a new Morbid Angel album.
The 2 Dev albums are my most anticipated albums ever released by anyone, Alestorm always produces high-quality material, Symphony X has been in the making for 4 years, and Morbid Angel has been in the making for 8 years.
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Also, don't forget the new Hammerfall. :P
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Also, don't forget the new Hammerfall. :P
Well, I know TAC for one is looking forward to new Hammerfail. Probably moreso even than new Symphony X :P
Seriously though, a Sym X double-album is very intriguing indeed.
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What happened to decent SX album covers?
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In June alone we've got 2 new Devin Townsend albums, a new Alestorm album, new Symphony X, and a new Morbid Angel album.
The 2 Dev albums are my most anticipated albums ever released by anyone, Alestorm always produces high-quality material, Symphony X has been in the making for 4 years, and Morbid Angel has been in the making for 8 years.
Oh, okay. Not interested. But Nick should update the release thread so that information is in there. Or may I should say: You should post them in the thread so Nick can update it.
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What happened to decent SX album covers?
(https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/shop/artikel/noimage.jpg?x=250&y=250)
I agree, that's just terrible...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJy2SQqYd6g
Prometheus (I Am Alive) - Live with decent audio quality. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. :metal
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What happened to decent SX album covers?
snippety snip
I agree, that's just terrible...
Regular edition:
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/symphicon1.jpg)
And for the special edition:
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/symphicon2.jpg)[/QUOTE]
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Cool!
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Well Symphony X have never had the greatest covers but the regular edition one is pretty cool. I notice you got those pictures from Roadrunner, is there an article about it that you could link me to?
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If somebody has mentioned this, I missed it. Do we know what the difference between the regular edition and the special edition will be?
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I thought PL had an absolutely brillant artwork/cover.
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I will be seeing them in May and getting the album in June. Life is good. :biggrin:
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If somebody has mentioned this, I missed it. Do we know what the difference between the regular edition and the special edition will be?
Link? :lol
It looks like there will be three different editions:
1 CD Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/cd/symphony-x-iconoclast.html)
2 CD Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/2cd-digi/symphony-x-iconoclast.html)
2 LP Edition (https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/sonstiges/symphony-x-iconoclast.html)
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Oh yeah. I forgot about that. So 3 extra tracks. Me likey. :tup
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The special edition cover is pretty ordinary, but the regular edition is just amazing. I guess I answered my own question when asking "who would only buy the 1cd edition." Now, I will be buying both!
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...just for the cover?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJy2SQqYd6g
Prometheus (I Am Alive) - Live with decent audio quality. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. :metal
Woah. EPIC SONG.
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Honestly, I don't care for the new album covers all that much. They seem...too over done. I really liked album covers for The Diving Wings of Tragedy or The Damnation Game the best. The art style fit their music a lot better if you ask me.
I don't know, the art style is cool and all. But it just doesn't feel like "Symphony X" to me. But I'm judging a book by it's cover. I'm sure the album will kick multitudes of ass.
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I like both of them and I think they'll fit the music; but I don't like either of them enough that I would buy another edition of the album just so I could have the other artwork.
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Maybe the special edition has a slip case and we'll get both anyway.
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...just for the cover?
I'm a bit mad like that.
Maybe the special edition has a slip case and we'll get both anyway.
This would be perfect.
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I personally love both covers and I'm really looking forward to picking up the two disc version of this.
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I personally love both covers and I'm really looking forward to picking up the two disc version of this.
This. Though I'd like to have it on-hand at the concert just in case I catch the band :biggrin:
Nick please tell me you're going to the Philly show
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I am not. Though I love Symphony X live like you wouldn't believe I've seen them 5 times at this point and am using the money I would have spent on them on bands I've seen a lot less of. Plus I know they'll do more legs and I'll have an opportunity again later in the tour to see them.
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dammit nick
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Saw them the other night in Sheffield for the third time (First time as headliners). They were incredible, as I expected. The sound quality was a bit shit though, I could hear the guitar perfectly on the support band (Power Quest, who were a bit samey throughout but had some awesome solos) yet when it came to SX there were loads of times when I was watching Allen only to turn to Romeo, see him playing and realise I couldn't really hear what he was doing, despite knowing what it was from my knowledge of the songs.
Anyway apart from that the show rocks, Allen recemented himself as the best frontman I've seen live, he sang with passion and energy and connected with loads of the audience plenty of times, singing stuff directly to them or you know, grabbing his cock and waggling it around at the dude next to me :rollin The setlist was great too, I know maybe about 40% of their catalogue so I'm by no means the kinda fan who knows every song and I wondered whether they'd play lots I didn't know, but I knew every song at least fairly well to I love this inside out. The set was short though, at the end before the encore they just got up and left, and it wasn't clear what was going on, so we kinda thought oh yeah, this is a short break lol before the second half. But it was before the encore which contained two songs, so that was a shame not to know the final song was the final song.
Oh yeah, and I got Rullo's stick :P He threw three into the crowd, and the fourth directly to me, which I managed to catch (can't catch in real life but at gigs I seem to do pretty well :P). Ahh the benefits of being an attractive female on the barrier at a prog gig... same thing happened when I saw DT in Blackburn too, so now I have a set of sticks from those guys :D
Can't wait to go see them again when they tour the new album.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHVYjXeW5Ls
Great quality version of End of Innocence.
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...the benefits of being an attractive female on the barrier at a prog gig... same thing happened when I saw DT in Blackburn too, so now I have a set of sticks from those guys :D
i wonder what, if any, benefits i might be entitled to for being an attractive male at a symphony x show?
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Sausage fest.
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so that means i'd get a stick, right?! sweet.
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At least DT brings in some babes :laugh:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJy2SQqYd6g
Prometheus (I Am Alive) - Live with decent audio quality. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. :metal
Woah. EPIC SONG.
Wow! I am very, very impressed by this song! The chorus alone is fucking killer, but the guitar/keyboard duel in the middle and the long, epic ending just make this song all sorts of awesome! I really like the main riff too, kinda reminds me of Orion - The Hunter from Twilight in Olympus. Hell, this whole song is just all sorts of pure win. I could not be more impatient then I am right now awaiting the release of this album! :metal
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At least DT brings in some babes :laugh:
I've actually seen a number of chicks at Symphony X shows. Actually, in my experience, chicks seem to dig Symphony X more then DT. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but I think it is partially due to the whole symphonic/gothic trappings of SX that make them somewhat similar to bands like Nightwish, Within Temptation and such; and it is partially due to the fact SX has a more grove based style of riffing, which makes their songs more rhythmically consistent (read: danceable). My girlfriend really likes Symphony X, but she can't stand Dream Theater with the exception of a handful of songs.
EDIT: Of course, I'm referring to single women; I see girls with their boyfriends/husbands at DT shows all the time, but I find single chicks are much more common in the Symphony X crowd.
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Actually, in my experience, chicks seem to dig Symphony X more then DT. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but I think it is partially due to the whole symphonic/gothic trappings of SX that make them somewhat similar to bands like Nightwish, Within Temptation and such
Well, that and the fact that Rullo plays with his shirt off a lot of the time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJy2SQqYd6g
Prometheus (I Am Alive) - Live with decent audio quality. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. :metal
Woah. EPIC SONG.
Wow! I am very, very impressed by this song! The chorus alone is fucking killer, but the guitar/keyboard duel in the middle and the long, epic ending just make this song all sorts of awesome! I really like the main riff too, kinda reminds me of Orion - The Hunter from Twilight in Olympus. Hell, this whole song is just all sorts of pure win. I could not be more impatient then I am right now awaiting the release of this album! :metal
I have a feeling this is going to be their best album.
Very impressed with the songs thus far.
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Amufugud, I totally forgot about the new SymphX album. Liking Prometheus so far...Allen's vocals seem a little more gruff to begin with to me, I suppose I'll have to wait to hear the album itself to make a decision.
Any way, so excited :caffeine:
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Some great quality videos:
https://www.youtube.com/user/SkYjAcKeR666#p/u/0/IwZnsUNL8EU (Dehumanized)
https://www.youtube.com/user/SkYjAcKeR666#p/u/1/A4NOa2wdezQ (Immigrant Song :))
https://www.youtube.com/user/SkYjAcKeR666#p/u/2/8RC4f-965zE (Eve of Seduction)
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Can't wait for the first NA show :caffeine:
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https://www.youtube.com/user/SkYjAcKeR666#p/u/1/A4NOa2wdezQ (Immigrant Song :))
Wow he sounds a lot like Sammy Haggar there.
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https://www.amazon.com/The-End-Of-Innocence/dp/B004VMT0LI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303062920&sr=8-1
:metal
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I'm probably going to wait for the 2 disc album before purchasing.
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Oh awesome :metal
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I have one ticket available for the show in NYC 4/22 email me if you are interested. Just looking for what I paid. dmiller@weichertfinancial.com
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SHOW TONIGHT :caffeine:
Will report back with setlist and perhaps some pictures of Russell Allen in his beastly glory
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Why couldn't the come to Sweden for their euro leg!!! *rage*
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SHOW TONIGHT :caffeine:
Will report back with setlist and perhaps some pictures of Russell Allen in his beastly glory
going to the House of Blues on Sunset show May 10th! Got meet n greet passes...might end up standing there like a giddy school girl just giggling and smiling. let's hope he doesn't growl at me to get me to snap out of my dazed infatuation.
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They didnt' have M&G for philly this time :(
But I get them back in 2008, so it's all good
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I'm hoping my friend and I will be able to take a trip down to Dallas to see them! Luckily school will be out by then. I swear every time they go on a US tour it's always during school, finals, etc.
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BTW,
PLM you're probably going to anyway but don't forget to tell us the set!
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Up to the minute Setlist info from PLM's cell phone to my brain to this post:
Of Sins and Shadows
Domination
Serpent's Kiss
The End of Innocence
Paradise Lost
Smoke & Mirrors
Eve of Seduction (FUCK YES)
Dehumanized
Set the World on Fire
The Odyssey
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Thanks in advance.
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Skipped over your post PLM because I don't want to see the setlist. I'm going to the Montreal show on Monday, how long do each of the bands play for?
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Oh my God, they seriously just played that song? Wow. I am definitely seeing this in May.
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Oh my God, they seriously just played that song? Wow. I am definitely seeing this in May.
Yeah, I think I might have to go now.
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Holy shit... SEE THEM. GOOD CHRIST RUSSELL ALLEN NEVER MISSES A NOTE HOW DOES HE DO IT I'M JEALOUS
And Powerglove is one of the most entertaining opening acts I've ever seen. I could see them open for every band I see lol
Blackguard can suck some cock. Seriously. They're such generic screaming metal I wanted to cut my ears off
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What Symphony X album should I get to begin getting into them?
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The Divine Wings of Tradgedy or V: The New Mythology Suite
Can't go wrong with either of them.
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What Symphony X album should I get to begin getting into them?
The self-titled debut.
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I thought that was considered one of their worst due to a different singer and poor production (much like DT's debut)?
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I thought that was considered one of their worst due to a different singer and poor production (much like DT's debut)?
:lol He's just taking the piss mate, it is easily SX worst album, get it last. Get Paradise Lost, Divine Wings and The Odyssey.
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:neverusethis:
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Ok, looks like I'll start with Divine Wings. I'll hopefully go pick it up tomorrow :)
Thanks guys.
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Divine Wings title track is :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy on so many levels
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:neverusethis:
You little bugger!! :hat
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Get Paradise Lost, immediately.
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I'm impressed how much PL has grown on me since its release. When I first bought it, I was average and left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth, especially since I love the Odyssey so much. Now, I would probably consider it my fav SX album to be honest. When I'm in the mood for some SX, I always pick PL, and love every second of it.
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https://www.facebook.com/nuclearblastusa?v=app_178091127385 They posted End Of Innocence for streaming!
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Listening now. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Edit: This new album is going to be EPIC.
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The fact that I can hear the keyboards clearly is a good sign
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My entire week has been made. Amazing song (with a bit of new song novelty).
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The fact that I can hear the keyboards clearly is a good sign
I second this. And yeah, PLM, you didn't respond, how long are the bands' sets?
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Just listened to the new song, yes epic is corect. Going to see them tonite in NYC.
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now this is what i'm talking about :metal can't wait for the new album!!!..
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The fact that I can hear the keyboards clearly is a good sign
I second this. And yeah, PLM, you didn't respond, how long are the bands' sets?
The openers didn't play for more than 30 minutes each. This was really nice. Last time I saw them SX had to cut their set short because there were 3 openers and they took to long playing/setting up. It was much more efficient this time. Powerglove was the best opener. They're fucking amazing, and great entertainers :lol
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Powerglove was absolutly amazing hahahaha, i never thought id be singing the Pokemon Theme song with 3,000 other people at a SX show haha :metal .. hell at any show at that.
All in all, it was a fantastic fucking show. Symphony X is increddddddible. and i really want to see them again :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
EDIT: why the hell was the one guitarist of powerglove playing with his guitar strung upside down? it was weird as helllll
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Powerglove was absolutly amazing hahahaha, i never thought id be singing the Pokemon Theme song with 3,000 other people at a SX show haha :metal .. hell at any show at that.
Definitely a highlight of the show :metal
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Divine Wings title track is :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy on so many levels
Totally :hefdaddy
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Divine Wings title track is :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy on so many levels
Totally :hefdaddy
ON THE EDGE OF PARADISE
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New song: with the exception of the section that starts at the third minute the song felt too familiar. Nothing special, quite underwhelming on all fronts actually.
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Well, of the three we've heard so far I think this is the worst tune. Prometheus is EASILY the best (DAT SOLO MAN)
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It was definitely nothing new, but it was still a solid song and I think I prefer it over most of the stuff on PL.
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I hope this is the case, I haven't listened to the other songs, maybe just once but I don't remember anything about them. Will wait for a better recorded, studio version to be released first.
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The fact that I can hear the keyboards clearly is a good sign
I second this. And yeah, PLM, you didn't respond, how long are the bands' sets?
The openers didn't play for more than 30 minutes each. This was really nice. Last time I saw them SX had to cut their set short because there were 3 openers and they took to long playing/setting up. It was much more efficient this time. Powerglove was the best opener. They're fucking amazing, and great entertainers :lol
How long did Symphony X play for?
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1.5 hours, more or less. it was great
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Powerglove was absolutly amazing hahahaha, i never thought id be singing the Pokemon Theme song with 3,000 other people at a SX show haha :metal .. hell at any show at that.
Definitely a highlight of the show :metal
Oh god I hope their doing that everywhere!
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I really enjoyed the intro, bridge (good vocal melodies and vibe), the instrumental section and the outro. But when the verses aren't that great, and the chorus is weak, it's just not a good song. Nonetheless, the musical ideas in the good parts make me curious about the rest of the album.
By the way, I liked SymX even better when they had shitty production with too much reverb. It's just right for them. 'V' is just epic sounding. I'm still glad (judging from the stream) that it isn't as uber-smacked as 'Paradise Lost' was. It doesn't feel like I'm getting stabbed by MJR's guitar anymore, great.
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Just got out of worcestor show. Same set. Wish they would switch their set up though...
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As long as they keep The Odyssey I'm happy.
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That's the thing. I've seen that song 3 times now, I would love to see divine wings replace it one time
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That's the thing. I've seen that song 3 times now, I would love to see divine wings replace it one time
Diving Wings live would be absolutely fucking amazing.
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That's the thing. I've seen that song 3 times now, I would love to see divine wings replace it one time
I've seen it once, and I'm glad they did it because it was new to me. But yeah, Divine Wings or Accolade 1 & 2 seem l ike they'd be epic closers as well.
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1.5 hours, more or less. it was great
Awesome! I can't wait!
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Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
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what myung said. they were very energetic but the music wasnt to good.
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Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
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Russell is great singer, my favourite :D
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Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
It sounds like generic screaming metal. There was nothing about it that was good
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:facepalm:
Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
It sounds like (https://generic screaming metal). There was nothing about it that was good
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Montreal-bound to see Symphony X tonight! Talk to you guys tomorrow!
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:facepalm:
Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
It sounds like (https://generic screaming metal). There was nothing about it that was good
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I forgot you like some shitty music :P
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:facepalm:
Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
It sounds like (https://generic screaming metal). There was nothing about it that was good
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I forgot you like some shitty music :P
I forgot you like dicks you don't like good music.
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:facepalm: Not this again :lol
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:facepalm:
Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
It sounds like (https://generic screaming metal). There was nothing about it that was good
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
I forgot you like some shitty music :P
I forgot you like dicks you don't like good music.
btw learn to bold :P
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Dehumanized is up on their FB https://www.facebook.com/symphonyx
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Great song, and cool new promo shots! :metal
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These two new songs are getting better the more I listen to them :metal
Today is overall just a great dayyyyyy :corn
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Well, the previous tune - End of Innocence - is a bit better than Dehumanized I must say.
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Well, the previous tune - End of Innocence - is a bit better than Dehumanized I must say.
True but both of them are PRETTY PRETTY PRETTY GOOD!
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I must say this one sounded a bit generic SX, but it had some curveballs it threw me. I liked it, but there will be better songs on the album.
I have hopes for a good album, but not hoping for something as epic as V or Divine Wings.
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Dehumanized is a fucking beast of a song!
Sounding awesome so far.
SX are so fucking good at riffs. :metal
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These two new songs are getting better the more I listen to them :metal
Today is overall just a great dayyyyyy :corn
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Well, the previous tune - End of Innocence - is a bit better than Dehumanized I must say.
I agree, End Of Innocence is spectacular.
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I heard two more songs from the album through a friend (Iconoclast, When All is Lost) and they were better than what we've heard so far. Not their best, imo, but I think a lot of you guys will love them. Iconoclast sounds like a mixed version of something from PL and The Divine... but it resembles more the latter.
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Forgot to post that I saw Symphony X at Peabodys this last Friday! Awesome! The Oddysey kicked ass, and I got to talk to Russell Allen for a few minutes - super nice guy. I'll post some vids later.
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Attended the Chicago show on Sunday, and I was reminded exactly why I consider Symphony X to be one of the premier live acts of their generation. That band was just spot on all night long; Russ was a beast, and the other guys were all playing top notch. My only real complaint about the performance itself is that the lower register keys seems to be mixed with way to much distortion, but it was really only an issue in a couple of places. The crowd was with them the whole night, and audience participation in Paradise Lost and the Odyssey was awesome.
As for the setlist, as follows:
Oculus Ex Inferni
Sins and Shadows
Domination
Serpent's Kiss
End of Innocence
Paradise Lost
Smoke and Mirrors
Eve of Seduction
Dehumanized
Set the World On Fire
- Encore -
The Odyssey
Over all a very solid setlist, and of course, every song was played to perfection. With that said, I do have a couple issues with the set:
1) Since this was more of a general Symphony X tour, rather then in support of a particular album, I wish the setlist had been less PL heavy with a wider variety of material. I love that album, but to see their earlier works so marginalized was a bit irritating.
2) The Odyssey is amazing as an encore, I get that, but this is the third time I've seen it live. From what I understand, Divine Wings hasn't been played in it's entirety since the V tour, and since I like that song more then the Odyssey, I would appreciate it if they dusted it off and brought it back.
Overall, though, fucking amazing show! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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1) Since this was more of a general Symphony X tour, rather then in support of a particular album, I wish the setlist had been less PL heavy with a wider variety of material. I love that album, but to see their earlier works so marginalized was a bit irritating.
From what I understand, when Nevermore and Soilwork dropped out of the tour, Symphony X decided to extend the lengths of their set. They were probably pretty familiar with a lot of the Paradise Lost songs from the previous tour, so I'd say it's probably likely that they just pulled from those so it'd be easier.
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https://heavymetalthunder6.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/symphony-x-iconoclast-nuclear-blast-2011/
Not expertly written, by any means. And it's clearly come from a heavy metal fan. But interesting nonetheless. I quote:
“Iconoclast” is plain and simple the best Symphony X album of their brilliant career.
Either way, i'm happy. I love the heavyness of SX. :metal
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Great to see positive reviews - looks like a lot of heavy songs. That's good but I'm mainly looking forward to Iconoclast, Children Of A Faceless God and When All Is Lost based on the descriptions.
Don't think this has been posted here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLS63s7ZRA
Michael Romeo talking about the album, it is a pretty good interview.
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Great to see positive reviews - looks like a lot of heavy songs. That's good but I'm mainly looking forward to Iconoclast, Children Of A Faceless God and When All Is Lost based on the descriptions.
Don't think this has been posted here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLS63s7ZRA
Michael Romeo talking about the album, it is a pretty good interview.
This interview was amazing. This album is gonna be great.
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Symphony X tweet an hour ago:
SYMPHONY X - Dehumanized (ICONOCLAST) https://fb.me/10wkjk88a
I'm almost halfway, and it's pretty :metal
EDIT: OMG, that verse kicks some serious metal balls!
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So tomorrow morning my friend and I begin our 8-hour drive to Dallas to see SX. Can't wait! :metal
Last time I saw them it was Gigantour '05, so I'm really excited to see a fuller set, hopefully with the Odyssey.
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What a phenomenal show. Russ doesn't miss a single note.
I also recorded some videos on my phone; they turned out pretty good. Here's the ending of The Odyssey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q74bivWnXUM
Set was something like:
Oculus Ex Inferni
Of Sins and Shadows
Domination
End of Innocence
Serpents Kiss
Paradise Lost
Smoke and Mirrors
Eve of Seduction
Dehumanize
Set the World on Fire
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The Odyssey
Edit: and I just realized it is the same set Dark Master posted. :P
Yep.
If you 'excuse yourself to the bathroom' for all of Blackguard's set you won't regret it
wat. Blackguard are awesome. Seen em' twice and they slayed both shows.
It sounds like generic screaming metal. There was nothing about it that was good
I have to disagree. Screaming, sure. But harmonies, keys, etc. I wouldn't consider them 'generic'. I enjoyed their show a lot. If anything it reminded me a lot of Bodom.
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5 days until I see them :D
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I saw them 6 days ago in Tempe AZ. What a great show. I was surprised there wasn't a capacity crowd, but that made it better for the rest of us. I finally got to see The Odyssey live. :metal Can't wait for the new album. Rock n Roll.
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I saw them 6 days ago in Tempe AZ. What a great show. I was surprised there wasn't a capacity crowd, but that made it better for the rest of us. I finally got to see The Odyssey live. :metal Can't wait for the new album. Rock n Roll.
I felt bad for Symphony X for such a small crowd, but the show was awesome. I got to meet Mike Lepond and a couple guys from the opening bands. Blackguard was pretty shit and I couldn't help but laugh at the synchronized hair swirling. So lame. But I got to shout to Russell Allen from a distance and he shouted back, so I'm happy for that. Oh, and The Odyssey :metal
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Can't wait for Iconoclast :D Loving The End of Innoncence atm and Dehumanized is pretty cool too (took a few listens to grow on me though)
What a phenomenal show. Russ doesn't miss a single note.
I also recorded some videos on my phone; they turned out pretty good. Here's the ending of The Odyssey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q74bivWnXUM
Nice, what phone do you have? It deals with the audio very well for a phone :tup
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Pretty excited for this release!
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Wtf? It's not like I said anything offensive, I can't believe this happened again. I posted something here last night and it got deleted.
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Wtf? It's not like I said anything offensive, I can't believe this happened again. I posted something here last night and it got deleted.
No idea what you are talking about, but you are mistaken. There are no posts of yours in the "trash," so nothing of yours got deleted. You either posted whatever you are thinking of in another thread or just didn't post it at all.
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Wtf? It's not like I said anything offensive, I can't believe this happened again. I posted something here last night and it got deleted.
No idea what you are talking about, but you are mistaken. There are no posts of yours in the "trash," so nothing of yours got deleted. You either posted whatever you are thinking of in another thread or just didn't post it at all.
Maybe the entire Internet is conspiring against me then? Because for probably the third time in the last week or so, I've definitely posted something, looked at the post in the thread afterwards, and then come back the next day to see that it's gone. I was responding to Zook's comments about the headbanging in Blackguard.
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I can't speak for the Internet (and if I could, what would it want me to say?), but I can tell you that no post was deleted from this forum.
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I can't speak for the Internet (and if I could, what would it want me to say?), but I can tell you that no post was deleted from this forum.
Alright, well I appreciate you looking into it. :-\
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Wtf? It's not like I said anything offensive, I can't believe this happened again. I posted something here last night and it got deleted.
No idea what you are talking about, but you are mistaken. There are no posts of yours in the "trash," so nothing of yours got deleted. You either posted whatever you are thinking of in another thread or just didn't post it at all.
Maybe the entire Internet is conspiring against me then? Because for probably the third time in the last week or so, I've definitely posted something, looked at the post in the thread afterwards, and then come back the next day to see that it's gone. I was responding to Zook's comments about the headbanging in Blackguard.
Well if you were defending them, I can understand your post not showing up as it's just too much fail, even for DTF. :P
Enjoy some great quality videos from the show I went to. The guy filming was about 8 feet away from me. I was dead center almost, where Russell was usually standing.
Of Sins and Shadows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2dwaK-Awc
Domination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVhq0Mk1-18
The End Of Innocence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeaQUlXuqQ
Serpent's Kiss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fkk2onwjA
Eve Of Seduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPnOk2GFOg4
Dehumanized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuQKqV5Tr5k
The Odyssey (Full Song):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J26jHVI_oos
Oh, and Symphony X's tour manager is an asshole. That is all.
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Wtf? It's not like I said anything offensive, I can't believe this happened again. I posted something here last night and it got deleted.
No idea what you are talking about, but you are mistaken. There are no posts of yours in the "trash," so nothing of yours got deleted. You either posted whatever you are thinking of in another thread or just didn't post it at all.
Maybe the entire Internet is conspiring against me then? Because for probably the third time in the last week or so, I've definitely posted something, looked at the post in the thread afterwards, and then come back the next day to see that it's gone. I was responding to Zook's comments about the headbanging in Blackguard.
Well if you were defending them, I can understand your post not showing up as it's just too much fail, even for DTF. :P
Haha nah, I just thought their synchronized headbanging was pretty cool.
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What's that, Global? It looks like you made a post but I don't see any text.
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:censored
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Saw them last night; twas amazing :metal
Eyes of God: I didnt like the vocals at first, but eventually he warmed up and got better. I actually really liked them a lot, and the singer was a really cool guy.
Blackguard: They had a lot of energy and stuff, but they didnt click with me at all. Everything just sounded the same with them and I honestly got bored around their 3rd song.
Powerglove: Absolutely awesome. Funny, entertaining, and still rockin'. I loved how they had brought out balloon swords, beach balls, and candy for the audience :metal
Symphony X: Perfect. Band was spot on. Russell is one of the coolest, funniest, and heartfelt frontmen ever.
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:censored
:neverusethis:
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Eyes of God
Pyramid Theorem was the first band at the Montreal show and they were phenomenal. Seriously some of the best prog I've ever heard. I bought their demo EP online today (they're a new band) and it was fantastic, although the newer stuff they played live (to be released on their first full-length album later this year) was even better. I'll be playing one of their songs in a guest block on WPaPU sometime in the near future.
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I saw them 6 days ago in Tempe AZ. What a great show. I was surprised there wasn't a capacity crowd, but that made it better for the rest of us. I finally got to see The Odyssey live. :metal Can't wait for the new album. Rock n Roll.
I felt bad for Symphony X for such a small crowd, but the show was awesome. I got to meet Mike Lepond and a couple guys from the opening bands. Blackguard was pretty shit and I couldn't help but laugh at the synchronized hair swirling. So lame. But I got to shout to Russell Allen from a distance and he shouted back, so I'm happy for that. Oh, and The Odyssey :metal
We didn't get there until the Powerglove set, so we must have just missed Blackguard. I kinda felt bad for SX too but they still rocked like it was an arena. Also, thanks for posting those videos. Way cool. :tup
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Wtf? It's not like I said anything offensive, I can't believe this happened again. I posted something here last night and it got deleted.
No idea what you are talking about, but you are mistaken. There are no posts of yours in the "trash," so nothing of yours got deleted. You either posted whatever you are thinking of in another thread or just didn't post it at all.
Maybe the entire Internet is conspiring against me then? Because for probably the third time in the last week or so, I've definitely posted something, looked at the post in the thread afterwards, and then come back the next day to see that it's gone. I was responding to Zook's comments about the headbanging in Blackguard.
Well if you were defending them, I can understand your post not showing up as it's just too much fail, even for DTF. :P
Enjoy some great quality videos from the show I went to. The guy filming was about 8 feet away from me. I was dead center almost, where Russell was usually standing.
Of Sins and Shadows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2dwaK-Awc
Domination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVhq0Mk1-18
The End Of Innocence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeaQUlXuqQ
Serpent's Kiss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33fkk2onwjA
Eve Of Seduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPnOk2GFOg4
Dehumanized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuQKqV5Tr5k
The Odyssey (Full Song):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J26jHVI_oos
Oh, and Symphony X's tour manager is an asshole. That is all.
These videos were awesome.
5:32 of dehumanized: Love how Russell was like HE IS DUHUMANIZEDDDD :rollin
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Just preordered the 2 CD edition :metal :metal :metal
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Just preordered the 2 CD edition :metal :metal :metal
this :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I'm annoyed by SX's choice of only throwing out the simple catchy songs live at the moment. I thought they'd have more respect for their prog fanbase, I'm not interested in hearing their newest prog-power metal single. I want to hear the longer compositions that have earned them their reputation, I want to see them incorporate ALL their musicians in the way we became accustomed to with TDWOT through to TO, not just riff-based songs. I miss the neoclassicality of their music. I need to hear this album and be proven wrong, I don't want to accept that this great band has lost it's edge.
/scepticism
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I'm annoyed by SX's choice of only throwing out the simple catchy songs live at the moment. I thought they'd have more respect for their prog fanbase, I'm not interested in hearing their newest prog-power metal single. I want to hear the longer compositions that have earned them their reputation, I want to see them incorporate ALL their musicians in the way we became accustomed to with TDWOT through to TO, not just riff-based songs. I miss the neoclassicality of their music. I need to hear this album and be proven wrong, I don't want to accept that this great band has lost it's edge.
/scepticism
But they don't consider themselves prog.
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I'm annoyed by SX's choice of only throwing out the simple catchy songs live at the moment. I thought they'd have more respect for their prog fanbase, I'm not interested in hearing their newest prog-power metal single. I want to hear the longer compositions that have earned them their reputation, I want to see them incorporate ALL their musicians in the way we became accustomed to with TDWOT through to TO, not just riff-based songs. I miss the neoclassicality of their music. I need to hear this album and be proven wrong, I don't want to accept that this great band has lost it's edge.
/scepticism
But they don't consider themselves prog.
Seriously?
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Honestly, I couldn't give two fucks what they consider themselves. I remember reading somewhere that Dave Murray doesn't consider Iron Maiden to be a "heavy metal" band. WTF? It seems like artists never agree with what genre their fans classify them as. So it's like whatever. Who cares what they say. They're prog metal, plain and simple.
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So last night's show in Charlotte was the craziest show I've ever been to. I saw Michael LePond on the way in and completely froze. First, there were two opening acts who were decent then Blackguard, the music sucks but they're a really good live band. Powerglove was okay, pretty funny for the most part. The whole time through all of the sets, a radio station was somehow being played through the speakers and they couldn't fix it somehow. All of the bands made light of it though. Then came Symphony X, they killed.
Right after Set The World On Fire, an elderly woman passed out and they brought an ambulance and delayed the encore. Apparently, it was because of the heat, but I think Russell stared her down. She should probably be more careful about looking into his eyes. Only 200 people showed up :( but it made for a better concert experience fan-wise (no mosh pits!). All in all, I got to wave to LePond, shake Russell's hand, and get a picture and chat with Jason. Pinella and Romeo escaped to the buses pretty quickly.
Also found out they're taking the Summer off, touring Europe again in September-October, then back to the states in either November, December, or January.
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Only 200 people showed up :( but it made for a better concert experience fan-wise (no mosh pits!).
Oh come on, mosh pits are fun. If I don't feel like moshing, I just push through so I can get way closer to the front. It's a fantastic method to use at general admission concerts.
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There were circle pits for the opening acts though.
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Only 200 people showed up :( but it made for a better concert experience fan-wise (no mosh pits!).
Oh come on, mosh pits are fun. If I don't feel like moshing, I just push through so I can get way closer to the front. It's a fantastic method to use at general admission concerts.
Mosh pits suck. I go to concerts to enjoy the show, not get slammed into from behind. The girl next to me who was shorter than me got hit pretty bad a couple times. Wasn't cool.
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Only 200 people showed up :( but it made for a better concert experience fan-wise (no mosh pits!).
Oh come on, mosh pits are fun. If I don't feel like moshing, I just push through so I can get way closer to the front. It's a fantastic method to use at general admission concerts.
Mosh pits suck. I go to concerts to enjoy the show, not get slammed into from behind. The girl next to me who was shorter than me got hit pretty bad a couple times. Wasn't cool.
Exactly. I think they're fun sometimes, but when it's just a bunch of douchebags, you just plow your way to the front where you can ignore them.
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I'm annoyed by SX's choice of only throwing out the simple catchy songs live at the moment. I thought they'd have more respect for their prog fanbase, I'm not interested in hearing their newest prog-power metal single. I want to hear the longer compositions that have earned them their reputation, I want to see them incorporate ALL their musicians in the way we became accustomed to with TDWOT through to TO, not just riff-based songs. I miss the neoclassicality of their music. I need to hear this album and be proven wrong, I don't want to accept that this great band has lost it's edge.
/scepticism
The encore is THE ODYSSEY so I think they care for their prog fans...
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^Agreed. The reason Symphony X is releasing the less-proggy songs first is the same reason DT released A Rite of Passage first instead of The Count of Tuscany.
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^Agreed. The reason Symphony X is releasing the less-proggy songs first is the same reason DT released A Rite of Passage first instead of The Count of Tuscany.
Yeah this makes perfect sense to me
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepPLbxNUP4
Some new music in this video! :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepPLbxNUP4
Some new music in this video! :metal
Sounds great! Just one more month!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepPLbxNUP4
Some new music in this video! :metal
I have a feeling Iconoclast is going to knock me out with a seismic hammer!
:metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepPLbxNUP4
Some new music in this video! :metal
Dat riff in the opening of the video :metal :metal :metal
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*edit*
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I think you can preview/pre-order all the songs on iTunes too.
I didn't listen though because I already listen to The End of Innocence and Dehumanized many many many times.
I don't want to listen to too much before my pre-order arrives in the week of June 14 :metal
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This is a really good album :P
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepPLbxNUP4
Some new music in this video! :metal
Oh, I'm so excited!! :2metal:
and, is this some new SX logo, what is in back side in that shirt? Looks like ELP logo...
https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/bandmerch/t-shirts/m/symphony-x-iconoclast.html
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and, is this some new SX logo, what is in back side in that shirt? Looks like ELP logo...
https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/bandmerch/t-shirts/m/symphony-x-iconoclast.html
Probably just a logo for Iconoclast; I'm pretty sure that's what it says directly underneath it.
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1:30 samples of all tracks (including the three that are only on double disc) are apparently up on iTunes, although mine only has 30 second ones.
Trying not to listen to them though, especially Iconoclast - that's the song on that video above and it sounds like it's going to be awesome. Want to hear it for the first time in full.
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Gonna listen to all the 1:30 samples on iTunes now.
Iconoclast title track.. epic :metal
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Yeah I saw the 1:30 samples on iTunes but I am trying my best to not listen to them...
1:30 for each track is a pretty long sample in my opinion :)
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Gonna listen to all the 1:30 samples on iTunes now.
Iconoclast title track.. epic :metal
Dude can you give me your thoughts on each song. Can't get itunes at work need some feedback now.
How about the length of each song?
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I love Symphony x but between the released tunes and the samples it sounds like rehashed paridise lost /Dio tribute to me
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I love Symphony x but between the released tunes and the samples it sounds like rehashed paridise lost /Dio tribute to me
I haven't heard the samples but that seems like a really strange comment.
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*SPOILERS*
track lengths:
01. Iconoclast 10:51
02. The End Of Innocence 5:27
03. Dehumanized 6:47
04. Bastards Of The Machine 4:56
05. Heretic 6:24
06. Children Of A Faceless God 6:20
07. Electric Messiah 6:13
08. Prometheus (I Am Alive) 6:46
09. When All Is Lost 9:10
*SPOILERS*
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Source? Also, what about the other three songs?
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Those are the correct track lengths, promo copies given out to media do not include the second disc.
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*edit*
Consider this a warning, read the rules.
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Promo copies=leak soon yes
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Pretty sure they did digital promos this time to cut down on leak potential. I don't know the whole story, but it's unlikely to leak.
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They're all digital, and they come with a number encrypted in the files that can be traced back to the person who the label sent the file to. Which is why the leaks are happening less and less.
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They're all digital, and they come with a number encrypted in the files that can be traced back to the person who the label sent the file to. Which is why the leaks are happening less and less.
Yeah, that. Similar things happened with the new Devin Townsend albums, but they leaked anyway.
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New album is getting closer!! :metal
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New album is getting closer!! :metal
Praise tha lord!
I'm listening to the Itunes samples right now. So far it's what I have expected. Usually for each SX album the majority is good but nothing memorable type songs, and there's the few amazing ones that I adore. I don't listen to many SX songs, but the ones I do listen to, I'm completely in love with them. So far I can already tell that the great songs of this album are going to be...
-Inconoclast (an epic)
-The End of Innocence
-Dehumanized
-When All Is Lost (an epic)
-Reign In Madness (an epic)
Prometheus is also really fun.
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Little disappointed there's no 10mins+ epic, but still, it's new SymphX.
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Little disappointed there's no 10mins+ epic, but still, it's new SymphX.
01. Iconoclast 10:53
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That's what I get for skimming the track lengths XD
I feel slightly better.
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Little disappointed there's no 10mins+ epic, but still, it's new SymphX.
"When All Is Lost" – 9:10
"Reign In Madness" – 8:37
So along with Iconoclast, there's 3 decent sized epics in this album.
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New disc is album of the year for me so far; awesome. Symphony X has yet to disappoint me, unlike QR........
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So far, I actually like the second disk better than the first.
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So far, I actually like the second disk better than the first.
Glad I'm not the only one :tup Most of my favourite songs on the album (Electric Messiah, Prometheus, Reign in Madness) are on disc 2.
Incidentally, I posted my review of the album here :https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23603.280 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23603.280)
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Dark Master:
Very good job with the review.
I bought both the single and deluxe editions; I agree the three songs on disc 2 are excellent. I also agree that it is missing a pure ballad; this is something that SX has done very well in the past with. Just a minor complaint, as again, I am really enjoying Iconoclast
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BUMP
Just heard about the North American 2012 tour, with Iced Earth. They're actually coming to my city for the first time! :caffeine:
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BAH HUMBUG!
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I can see a lot of people being excited about this, but frankly I can't stand Iced Earth so I might skip out on SX this time around.
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Why can't you stand them? What have you heard by them? You've awakened the beast! :footloose:
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Cool... they were in Toronto earlier this year, but I couldn't catch them. Might try to grab them this time 'round though.
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Thats a very cool bill.....I'm going for sure
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Don't really care about either band as much as I used to but I'll probably be going to this.
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Don't really care about either band as much as I used to but I'll probably be going to this.
Same feeling overall and I didn't like Iconoclast as much as I thought I would. Disappointed I am, but I love When All Is Lost its in my top 5 of SX's songs. I'm having second thoughts on seeing them on the 17th, at first I was like hell yeah I'm going to I don't really care anymore, now I want to go again if I can convince friends to come with.
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I'm gonna see them this month too! at one of the California shows or all of them... Good times! :metal
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Saw the show the other night. Real good show.
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Saw the show last night. Symphony X was awesome, they stole the show. Iced Earth was great as well, but couldn't compare to SX. Allen is not only an outstanding vocalist, but a fantastic frontman as well. Wasn't familiar with Warbringer beforehand- really didn't do much for me. Great show overall though.
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Saw the show last night. Symphony X was awesome, they stole the show. Iced Earth was great as well, but couldn't compare to SX. Allen is not only an outstanding vocalist, but a fantastic frontman as well. Wasn't familiar with Warbringer beforehand- really didn't do much for me. Great show overall though.
Damn... now I'm really bummed I didn't get a chance to see them Monday.
JJ... didn't know you were Canadian. Explains your fantastic taste in music!
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Saw the show last night. Symphony X was awesome, they stole the show. Iced Earth was great as well, but couldn't compare to SX. Allen is not only an outstanding vocalist, but a fantastic frontman as well. Wasn't familiar with Warbringer beforehand- really didn't do much for me. Great show overall though.
Damn... now I'm really bummed I didn't get a chance to see them Monday.
JJ... didn't know you were Canadian. Explains your fantastic taste in music!
Jingle, you missed a great show. I would hope SX do another Canadian tour again. The majority (10 out of 12 songs) were from their last two discs; so hopefully you enjoyed those. The turnout wasn't great, I would estimate 250 people.
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Not surprising (but a damn pity) on the size. The Phoenix - where they played in Toronto - has a capacity of 850, and is more of a bar than a concert venue.
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i've been waiting 12 years to scratch this one off the bucket list...
symphony x circa 5 hours from now!!! :corn :metal :hefdaddy
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setlist pls
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this setlist was taken from the Symphony X forums from this tour.
Iconoclast
The End of Innocence
Dehumanized
Bastards of the Machine
When All is Lost
Electric Messiah
Children of a Faceless God
Inferno (Unleash the Fire)
Of Sins and Shadows
Encore:
Eve of Seduction
Serpent's Kiss
Set the World on Fire (The Lie of Lies)
Kinda disappointed from it tbh, seems to be the same old setlist they always play with iconoclast songs thrown in
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Yeah, it makes that poll they did completely pointless.
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this setlist was taken from the Symphony X forums from this tour.
Iconoclast
The End of Innocence
Dehumanized
Bastards of the Machine
When All is Lost
Electric Messiah
Children of a Faceless God
Inferno (Unleash the Fire)
Of Sins and Shadows
Encore:
Eve of Seduction
Serpent's Kiss
Set the World on Fire (The Lie of Lies)
Kinda disappointed from it tbh, seems to be the same old setlist they always play with iconoclast songs thrown in
jesus christ are they ever going to stop playing things from paradise lost? haven't they played them to death already?
And the only ones NOT from PL/Iconoclast are the two that i think can be thrown away until the end of time...
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Yeah, that is a pretty lame setlist.
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Russell Allen is that dude when it comes to the Robot.
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I'm glad that I saw them on the Odyssey tour back in November 2002 because I will never see them as long as they're being this self-centered or intent on pandering to n00bs to completely abandon the pre-Odyssey era. Their new stuff would be exciting to me if it was the first thing I'd ever heard from them so I fully understand how the fans who've only been into them for the last two albums (or just Iconoclast) may think the sizable chunk of their fanbase that shares my stance is being petty or unduely harsh. But to have a band that continually wowed you from one album to the next, over a five album stretch, suddenly start sounding like they have hit a wall creatively and substantially watered their sound down with forced heaviness is a huge disappointment.
When you add that to the fact that they were a truly struggling band for over a decade since their debut album's release and only were able to keep pursuing their passion because of old-time fans like us that stayed with them, it's a pretty shitty slap in the face to see them taking the attitude of either "Gotta please the new fans now that we've got a meal ticket" or "Fuck it! We're tired of playing those old songs after all these years so we're only playing what we wanna even though people are paying good money to see us and frequently traveling to do so."
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Well said b_f. I agree with everying you said, except I haven't seen them live yet.
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As much as I love Paradise Lost (Iconoclast is okay, I guess), that setlist is dildos.
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I like Iconoclast more. I haven't listened to Paradise Lost in ages, although I never thought it was bad. I do think it's time for a change, either going back to the Odyssey/pre Odyssey neo classical days (never gonna happen) or keep the metal flowing but have some damn variety. I don't know, put the Symphony back in Symphony X.
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I love the last two albums, but that setlist is just terrible. Bastards, Messiah, Seduction and Serpents are songs that do need to be played live. So many more amazing songs getting ignored, and seriously this setlist has no diversity whatsoever. I'm sure there would have been many bored fans in the audience with a setlist like that.
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I love both of the last two albums but I think the setlist could use more variety. I've never even seen Symphony X live and I'd consider that setlist slightly disappointing - I can only imagine what it'd be like if you've seen Of Sins And Shadows, Inferno and Set The World On Fire all before.
The Iconoclast songs look good though. I'd rather see Reign in Madness than The End Of Innocence or Dehumanized but they have to play their singles... just play some more / better songs from older albums.
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A Question: Since their S/T Symphony X has always hidden their two Masks in all their album covers; are the three faces in the Iconoclast cover meant to represent them? It sure seems obvious but, why three? The two masks remind me of their better era :P
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i see many peeps complaining about the setlist...while it didnt bother me (i woulda taken anything), ya, it woulda been nice to get more than two songs pre-ParadiseLost.
what did kinda bother me was the volume...it seemed fine for the first song (maybe a touch too loud), but then it got louder...too loud if you ask me (became rather wall-of-sound-y at times). a little before the encore, i made my way outta the pit and positioned myself towards the back of the room, where it was better (obviously). same venue as i'd seen BTBAM 2 months earlier, and i thought btbam were only marginally too loud (not enough to complain).
i was also kinda surprised how intense the mosh pit was. we arrived near the end of warbringer's set, and i could see things were rather intense down there...pointed it out to the wife but assured her it wouldnt be as bad for SymphX.
well, it was close. and it was a more intense pit than aforementioned BTBAM 2 months earlier (which rather surprises me)...i guess the setlist kinda plays into this a bit. when all is lost was probably the most enjoyable song, if not for its awesomeness, then for its balladyness - the song had more room to breathe amongst the volume levels, and the crowd was a bit more subdued down there.
between the crowd exuberance and volume levels, i really coulda went for a couple more ballads.
all bitching aside, i still had a great time. romeo brought it, the band seemed tight (even when it was hard to tell due to wall-of-sound), and russ' vox were on (despite a cold)...and he liked all our smiling faces.
:metal
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put the Symphony back in Symphony X.
Yay for that! :tup
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I'm just happy that I had a chance to see Symphony X; I thought they were one of the bands that I would never get to see live. So I'm definitely not complaining about the setlist, but then again, I am a huge fan of the last two discs.
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just checked the setlist to see if its worth driving to check them out next week. totally not happening.
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Been checking out more of these guys the past week as I will be seeing them this Saturday along with Iced Earth and Warbringer (two bands I also enjoy a lot), and so far I've loved all that I've heard (that being Paradise Lost, V, The Odyssey, and Iconoclast)
my favorite album so far is V, closely followed by Paradise Lost with The Odyssey and Iconoclast tied at #3.
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Symphony X's show last night kicked ass! I know a lot of people don't seem to like Iconoclast, but I thought it was awesome, and I'm glad that they played most of it live.
Two things: I wouldn't mind them dropping Children With A Faceless God for one more older song, and the 3 PL songs for Odyssey or Divine Wings.
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I've got a VIP/meet and greet for the show tonight. Maybe I should tell them the set sucks :biggrin: :P
But nah. I'm glad the last time I saw em they played The Odyssey, and a few other older ones. And I like PL enough to not mind if they play a lot from it. I'm not a huge Iconoclast fan aside from the title track and a couple others. Everything else is meh.
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Is the self titled album worth listening too if a huge part of the reason i listen to SX is because of Russell Allen?
Also
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Uh it's a pretty bad album but if you're really into SX you might as well listen to it at least once.
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The drums sound a bit thin and the rest of the production ain't as pristine as the rest of their stuff and Rod Tyler is almost as much of a dropoff from Russell as most people on DTF consider Dominicci to be from LaBrie (I like Dominicci's work on WDaDU hence the careful phrasing.) Beyond all that I like it a lot and strongly stand by Raging Season, Absinthe and Rue, and A Lesson Before Dying which is the album's epic and really hits an excellent stride at the 6:45 mark.
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Is the self titled album worth listening too if a huge part of the reason i listen to SX is because of Russell Allen?
The s/t pretty much just sounds like Romeo's instrumental demos/solo album with some vocals laid over the tracks. MJR's guitar work really kicks ass on the album, and with both him and Michael Pinnella really being in neoclassical mode at that point in their careers, the s/t can be a real treat for those who like that side of SX's sound. Also, much like Damnation Game, the album is much less thrashy then their later output and focuses a lot on dark atmosphere an tone, making it a very melancholy work. Again, if you really like that side f SX, it may be worth checking out. Most of the songs are rather good, and there are a few, like Premonition, that are among my favourite Symphony X songs.
The album's real problems are two fold. First of all, it sounds like ass. The quality of the mix is roughly the same as the Danse Macabre demos, but slightly cleaned up. Secondly, Rod Tyler's vocals can be rather grating at times. His voice isn't quite strong enough for the music and his singing has a few curious nuances that are just plain odd and make him difficult to like. I wouldn't say he is a bad singer, but let me put it this way: if Russel Allen is the main reason you like the band, then the s/t will probably be a difficult pill to swallow. You may still find merit in it, but you will find it difficult to really accept it as "Symphony X"
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''he's not as good as me, but he's still pretty good'' - Rod Tyler telling Romeo about Russell Allen
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I still feel lucky to have seen the Odyssey live last year.
Although, I would trade that experience for Octavarium, SDOIT, or A Change of Seasons :D
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i guess to call my self a real SX fan i should probably grab the album. thanks! wish me luck :lol
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I bought it out of mere curiosity. Liked some of the music, but honestly, the singing is so bad, it put me off to even listen to it a second time. And that quote is hilarious.
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I met Mr. Mike Lepond at a local show. He played a song with their band at Dingbatz in clifton NJ. nice venue btw.
Was deffinatly an awesome night
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Concerning their debut album, it's actually not that bad. I quite like some tracks (Taunting the Notorious, Absinthe and Rue, A Lesson Before Dying), but the production and the vocals leave a lot to be desired. I would love it if SX would remaster it (as with DT and WDADU), but I have a feeling, that that ain't gonna happen. :tdwn
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:hearts: what a nice guy!!!!
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Who do you mean? Mr. Lepond? ???
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:) yes.
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He does look cool. I've been trying to grow such a moustache, but my facial hair isn't cooperating.
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He does look cool. I've been trying to grow such a moustache, but my facial hair isn't cooperating.
neither is mine :(
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He does look cool. I've been trying to grow such a moustache, but my facial hair isn't cooperating.
neither is mine :(
mine doesn't help either :(
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Mine's turning grey....rapidement! :'(
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Saw them in 2007. They played all 25 minutes of The Odyssey. I would have liked it if they played Accolade I and/or II, though, since those are my favorite songs by them.
I'm a huge fan of Michael Pinnella's Enter by the Twelfth Gate. It's one of the albums that I've been listening to the most over the years, but people just give me strange looks whenever they hear it. :-\
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I was supposed to see them in 2005 at Gigantour in Atlanta (Gwinnett), but they didn't make it due to a medical emergency with their bus driver.
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I'm actually really sad that SX don't play my three favourite tracks (The Edge of Forever, Awakenings, A Fool's Paradise) live. I'd love to see live versions of those.
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He does look cool. I've been trying to grow such a moustache, but my facial hair isn't cooperating.
neither is mine :(
mine doesn't help either :(
:rollin
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I'm actually really sad that SX don't play my three favourite tracks (The Edge of Forever, Awakenings, A Fool's Paradise) live. I'd love to see live versions of those.
Yeah, Symphony X didn't play any of my top 5 favorite songs when I went to see them (Accolade I & II, A Winter's Dream pts. I & II, The Divine Wings of Tragedy). I was a little disappointed because I usually expect to hear at least one of my top favorite songs by a band when I go to see them live, and especially in the case of Symphony X since I probably listen to those songs more than the rest of their entire discography. But their setlist was still excellent, so I can't complain too much.
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I've seen two times. The first time was when they opened for Stratovarius in 2003. Unfortunately i was pretty disappointed because the sound was absolutly horrendous. Another thing was that....man i love Jason Rullo but i think he had a bad day because the tempos was all over the place, he started in one tempo and always ended up in a slower one. Other than that it was a OK but because i was so looking foward to seeing them my expectations were pretty high so i was pretty bummed.
The second one was when they opened for DT in 2007 during the Chaos in Motion Tour and that was something else. They sounded amazing on stage and they were really on fire that night. I was actually enjoying SX more than that main act....what's their name now? :P
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Chaos in Motion you say? Can't seem to place it.
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Chaos in Motion you say? Can't seem to place it.
What do you mean?
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I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.
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:lol
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Paradise Lost (the song) is fucking awesome.
That is all.
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''he's not as good as me, but he's still pretty good'' - Rod Tyler telling Romeo about Russell Allen
Just saw this. Oh the hilarity.
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Paradise Lost (the song) is fucking awesome.
That is all.
Yep. Definitely the highlight of that album.
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Paradise Lost (the song) is fucking awesome.
That is all.
Yea, best song on the album.
I like the whole album quite a bit. It really hits hard with the aggression, and it stays pretty well balanced.
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so they opened their set at ProgPower USA XIII with.....
THE DIVINE WINGS OF TRAGEDY!!!111!
https://youtu.be/YOA9geqZ89I
ignore the kid orgasming in the beginning. i would definitely make the trip to see them if I knew they were playing this
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The whole fucking thing as the opener? HOLY FUCK. Put that on a Prog Power DVD now!
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That would be amazing to hear live
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A nice time to bust it out.
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Oh, hello. There's the Symphony X that I used to know and love. Please come back old Sy X, and bury Paradise Lost under a pile of elephant dung.
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so they opened their set at ProgPower USA XIII with.....
THE DIVINE WINGS OF TRAGEDY!!!111!
https://youtu.be/YOA9geqZ89I
ignore the kid orgasming in the beginning. i would definitely make the trip to see them if I knew they were playing this
Just wathed it. Thanks for posting :tup You're right about that kid being a tool but thank god the song and performance were so damn good that not even that blathering dingus could sully the excellence.
Also, I hope beyond hope that I can somehow find out for sure where and when they may be playing this in their setlist the next time I'm in a position to roadtrip to see 'em live. I did it on the Odyssey tour driving from New Orleans to Dallas and would do it again in a heartbeat to see Divine Wings live. It's been my undisputed favorite song and that ain't likely to change soon and if it does I'd be thrilled cuz I've been dying to feel this way about another song.
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You know what, I'm giving the kid a pass. A real Sy X fan should get jacked up for a song they haven't played in a while that is unexpected. It's not everyone's job to sit on their hands at a concert so someone can post a poor quality video they took on their phone. They paid the price of admission, we didn't, he gets to be excited. We just hear him because he was close to the cameraphone guy.
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You know what, I'm giving the kid a pass. A real Sy X fan should get jacked up for a song they haven't played in a while that is unexpected. It's not everyone's job to sit on their hands at a concert so someone can post a poor quality video they took on their phone. They paid the price of admission, we didn't, he gets to be excited. We just hear him because he was close to the cameraphone guy.
yea i dont blame him, just didn't want people to think that happens the entire video
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so they opened their set at ProgPower USA XIII with.....
THE DIVINE WINGS OF TRAGEDY!!!111!
https://youtu.be/YOA9geqZ89I
ignore the kid orgasming in the beginning. i would definitely make the trip to see them if I knew they were playing this
:eek :metal
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Why did it take me so long to realize that the beginning of that song rips off Holst?
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They should have just left the stage after this song, it would make a better show than the ones they've been putting out recently... Needless to say, it sounded fantastic, now that's my Symphony X.
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I wanna see Absinthe and Rue, A Lesson Before Dying, or Raging Season played live even if it's just on youtube. I hate the way that many bands that didn't become viable touring draws until well into their careers seem to have that redheaded stepchild for a first album like DT with WDaDU, Opeth with Orchid, and SX with the s/t album.
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so they opened their set at ProgPower USA XIII with.....
THE DIVINE WINGS OF TRAGEDY!!!111!
https://youtu.be/YOA9geqZ89I
ignore the kid orgasming in the beginning. i would definitely make the trip to see them if I knew they were playing this
Ahhh yes my sweet Baconribs! :metal :hefdaddy :metal
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Why did it take me so long to realize that the beginning of that song rips off Holst?
hmm, not sure. I picked up on it first time I heard the song. But I am a huge fan of The Planets, so that's not a surprise.
They also include "the bringer of war" in the lyrics.
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I don't know if it's just me but I feel whenever I see them live or in a video, Pinnella's keys don't cut through particularly well in many parts.
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Welcome to "keyboards at metal concerts," 2012 edition. :lol
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I don't know if it's just me but I feel whenever I see them live or in a video, Pinnella's keys don't cut through particularly well in many parts.
I got lucky enough to see them and got front row before they were even remotely close to what they are today (regarding their ability to draw ticket sales) so luckily I heard everything very clearly and got a pick from an annoyed MJR who was tired of me badgering him for one.
My issue is that, ever since V, Pinnella began using that ultra-nasal patch on seemingly all of his solos including when playing leads from earlier albums and, aside from it sounding like utter shit, it also makes all of the pre-V solos/leads sound an octave lower which really drains the intensity out of them. TDWoT has some of their finest moments keyboardwise but tragically they have far less punch with that patch being used live.
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Why did it take me so long to realize that the beginning of that song rips off Holst?
hmm, not sure. I picked up on it first time I heard the song. But I am a huge fan of The Planets, so that's not a surprise.
They also include "the bringer of war" in the lyrics.
I'm a big fan too, but for some reason, no clue why, it just didn't register.
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So they opened with Divine Wings and ended with The Odyssey at this show? Please do this more often.
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Hahaha dammit guys, as if I wasn't mortified enough!
Of course I regret allowing myself to act like such a fool, but as someone who has held TDWoT as one of my all-time favorite songs for so many years, I honestly couldn't help it. I'm just glad I grabbed my camera in time. Once the curtain drew back and the Gregorian choir started, I was agape. It wasn't until my wife shouted "GET THE CAMERA" that I realized what needed to be done. As the song progressed from merely an intro to the actual song, I seriously could do nothing else but shout my excitement! Thank you, Dr. DTVT for defending me, though I think I agree with everyone else in saying I sounded like a "blathering dingus".
I know I sounded like a tool, and believe me, I am cringing MUCH more than you are, but I hope the video can slightly satisfy those who have yet to see the song (or any classic SX) performed live. Apologies, my fellow fans; I hope you too can witness such majesty someday. I wonder which bodily functions you might lose control of? Heh.
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As someone above pointed out, it's a concert. You're well within your rights to act like a blathering digus. :biggrin:
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I'd have been far worse than you were, dude. No worries, man, just glad you caught it for posterity. :metal
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I just started a survivor! Check it out!
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Unfortunately don't like the first album enough to have listened to it enough to know the songs - will be voting in every one after that though.
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I'm a n00b when it comes to Symphony X, but I'm learning quick. I am really getting into them, but I'm sure everyone shares the thought that they need a new live album. Is there anything on Dime that is worth listening to, from the last few years?
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What's "Dime"?
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Dime a Dozen, aka a torrenting site.
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it's strictly for live shows from bands that don't forbid sharing of their shows
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Very true, but it IS still a torrenting site. ;)
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that it is
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Just buy all of their cd's; they're an amazing band. You can ignore the first one. But I would like to see them release a new live album, they are due for one!
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I know folks hate on Rod Tyler (somewhat rightfully so) but I still think completely overlooking the debut is a little bit of a mistake. At the very least, check out:
Absinthe in Rue-It's the album's "Swiss army knife" track. It's got heaviness, well-written structures, and a good mellow section.
Raging Season-The bonafide asskicker of the album. Kinda like how Of Sins and Shadows, In the Dragon's Den, Evolution, and Inferno were for theirs.
A Lesson Before Dying-Good Epic. I only liked it from the 6:45 point onward at first since it picks up way awesomely from there but, over time, the first half of the song has grown on me despite it sounding cliche and dated even by 1994 ballad standards.
If you like the three I mentioned, Masquerade would be a good choice for the next song to try from the debut.
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Very true, but it IS still a torrenting site. ;)
You say it like it's a dirty word. "Torrent" is just the technology of a file format. It's the content and what is downloaded that matters (ie, legal vs illegal). Dimeadozen.org is a repository of legal bootlegs - audio and video - of concerts.
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Please don't get me wrong - by me saying Dime is a torrent site does not in any way mean that I believe that what they do isn't legal/is bad. They unfortunately get lumped into my vernacular with illegal torrent sites, and I should've differentiatied with my first post in here.
Sorry for the derail, folks.
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I agree they need a new live one, especially the long awaited 'dvd'... >:( That doesn't deminisch the last one though, it's outstandingly good.
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If you like the three I mentioned, Masquerade would be a good choice for the next song to try from the debut.
And it's been re-recorded with Russ. Sounds amazing if you ask me.
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Goddamnit! I can never give props to that song without someone suggesting the RA version as an alternative :lol
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Goddamnit! I can never give props to that song without someone suggesting the RA version as an alternative :lol
I cannot think of many things that wouldn't be improved with the addition of Russell Allen so maybe that's the reason. Even AMob sounded almost listenable at times :biggrin:
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Oh, I prefer Russ over Rod as well. I remember he was super cool on stage too since I drove 500 miles to see them open for Blind Guardian back in '02 and I was one of the few people wearing SX gear so I noticed him kinda grinning in a "well shit, at least someone represented for us" kinda way during the numerous times he looked in my direction while singing. I wonder if I'll ever cave in and use the pick I got from Romeo after bugging the living hell out of him for it.
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Oh, I prefer Russ over Rod as well. I remember he was super cool on stage too since I drove 500 miles to see them open for Blind Guardian back in '02 and I was one of the few people wearing SX gear so I noticed him kinda grinning in a "well shit, at least someone represented for us" kinda way during the numerous times he looked in my direction while singing. I wonder if I'll ever cave in and use the pick I got from Romeo after bugging the living hell out of him for it.
Cool story :3
The minute I see the verb "use" on DTF I go all :neverusethis:
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*Gushing over Russell*
Cool story :3
The minute I see the verb "use" on DTF I go all :neverusethis:
That totally went over my head. Since I doubt you're referencing Used off The Perfect Element, I'll have to ask what you were alluding to.
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That totally went over my head. Since I doubt you're referencing Used off The Perfect Element, I'll have to ask what you were alluding to.
Hint: :neverusethis:
Hint 2: Since I totally forgot that you weren't in my head while I was posting. I thought of writing "uuuuuuseeeee iiiiit" at first and then I thought "but that conflicts with " :neverusethis: " and then I went off thinking how abused that verb is here and only then I posted. Sorry for thinking I made sense :biggrin:
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There's a show I used to have a copy of that was really good when they opened for Queensryche at a club in Jersey in, I think, around 2003 or so. The audio is spotty in the beginning, and the taper was there for Queensryche and didn't know SX's material, so some of the track breaks occur in odd points, but it's a good show if you can find it. Sorry for the lack of specifics, but that's all I can remember. Nick or someone else might be able to give you more details based on my description.
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Symphony X is one of the few bands I really wouldn't for a DVD from. I've seen them live, and have seen a bunch of youtubes and of course the gigantour DVD and.........well they're just super boring live. Russell is awesome, no question about that. Michael Romeo's only form of stage presence is sometimes smoking a cigarette on stage. Leapond's only thing is that he sometimes smiles at the audience. Pinella....forget about it, and Rullo just constantly looks like he's trying to hold in a huge fart.
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and Rullo just constantly looks like he's trying to hold in a huge fart.
That is.......very true! :lol
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Symphony X is one of the few bands I really wouldn't for a DVD from. I've seen them live, and have seen a bunch of youtubes and of course the gigantour DVD and.........well they're just super boring live. Russell is awesome, no question about that. Michael Romeo's only form of stage presence is sometimes smoking a cigarette on stage. Leapond's only thing is that he sometimes smiles at the audience. Pinella....forget about it, and Rullo just constantly looks like he's trying to hold in a huge fart.
I think you can have DVDs of relatively static bands which are visually satisfactory as well.
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I can't see anything visually stimulating about the members of of symph x. lol
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I can't see anything visually stimulating about the members of of symph x. lol
In terms of whether you find watching amusing or not :lol if you need hot chicks to look at not to be bored by stuff, well. Your prob :)
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Why such hostility?
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Why such hostility?
Did I come off as hostile?
Ouch, sorry :hug:
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A hug? Hell yea!
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I really only bought the first album for collection purposes. It's pretty terrible. The re-recorded Masquerade is better in every conceivable way and is really the only song that isn't dangerously cheesy. Yep, I just referred to Symphony X as cheesy while in the past defending them til death that they aren't, but the first "album" (which is more of a demo and has been referred to as such by Michael Romero himself) and most of Damnation Game are pretty damn cheesy and unlistenable to me. So TDWoT is where I whip out the sword and shield to defend the band.
As for a live DVD, Russell brings the presence and entertainment on stage so as long as he's there to keep it fun, I'm all for a live DVD. Just as long as it's at least 2 hours and isn't mostly the new stuff. If they're going to release a live DVD, they must have a set list that represents their entire career so far like Iced Earth did with Alive In Athens.
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The Divine Wings Of Tragedy is up next on te survivor! In fact, the first round is up! Go ahead and vote for this amazing album.
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Cheesiness and brutality for the sake of brutality aside, Paradise Lost is still a stellar album. I can't find myself tolerating much else from Symphony X these days though. Not sure if I grew out of them, or just found bands that do what they do better (although I rarely find myself in the mood for anything power metal related these days anyway), but this has to be the first time I've listened to them all year.
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Cheesiness and brutality for the sake of brutality aside, Paradise Lost is still a stellar album. I can't find myself tolerating much else from Symphony X these days though. Not sure if I grew out of them, or just found bands that do what they do better (although I rarely find myself in the mood for anything power metal related these days anyway), but this has to be the first time I've listened to them all year.
I didn't like Iconoclast. I liked the titles track and When All Is Lost. Probably for the lack of keyboards.
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Iconoclast was pretty awful. It had very little going for it, and the good things it had were immediately ruined by the fact that the album just drags like a motherfucker.
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Cheesiness and brutality for the sake of brutality aside, Paradise Lost is still a stellar album. I can't find myself tolerating much else from Symphony X these days though. Not sure if I grew out of them, or just found bands that do what they do better (although I rarely find myself in the mood for anything power metal related these days anyway), but this has to be the first time I've listened to them all year.
Pretty much the same for me, sadly. They're one of those bands that I really only liked when I got into them, but nowadays I barely ever listen to Symphony X unless one of the songs I put in my shuffle playlist comes up. I was hoping that Iconoclast would rekindle that fire, but nope. Album's too long and too same-y. It really does drag on like you said. I still think that Russell Allen's a great singer and that the two Accolade songs are fantastic, though.
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Iconoclast is a disappointment when judged as a "Symphony X album", but it is my favourite Thrash Metal album of 2011. I have to give credit when credit is due ;)
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Iconoclast is a disappointment when judged as a "Symphony X album", but it is my favourite Thrash Metal album of 2011. I have to give credit when credit is due ;)
Wait....what?....oh your trolling? arrgghh i'm confused! :justjen
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Iconoclast is a disappointment when judged as a "Symphony X album", but it is my favourite Thrash Metal album of 2011. I have to give credit when credit is due ;)
Wait....what?....oh your trolling? arrgghh i'm confused! :justjen
He has to be trolling. And also,using the words "best" and "Iconoclast" in the same sentence has to be some sort of crime. Unless you're talking about the title track...
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I agree that biggest flaw with Iconoclast is its samey-ness - apart from a handful of outliers like When All Is Lost, all the songs are of a similar nature. Still, I find it is pretty consistent in its quality. I'd definitely rate my least favourite song from Iconoclast higher than my least favourites from DWOT, The Odyssey, and in fact possibly every Symphony X album (its about the same as V and PL in that respect if I include only tracks I consider full songs, but if I include V's interludes and PL's intro Iconoclast trumps them).
Also, it's roughly on a par with the best Symphony X albums - they all have different pros and cons but in terms of how highly I regard them there's not much between V, The Odyssey and Iconoclast (or even Paradise Lost).
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I pretty much hated Iconoclast. I would really prefer that the vocals not sound like someone gargling with a handful of thumbtacks
For the most part the album just sounds like one, big, long mediocre metal tune.
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I cannot point to a single thing about Iconoclast that makes me think it is a bad album. Unfortunately, the real issue is that I can point to very little that makes me want to listen to it much either.
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I still haven't even listened to Iconoclast. The iRobot premise is just not interesting, at all.
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I pretty much hated Iconoclast. I would really prefer that the vocals not sound like someone gargling with a handful of thumbtacks
For the most part the album just sounds like one, big, long mediocre metal tune.
THIS
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Iconoclast is actually the only symph x album I don't have and have no desire to get.
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I cannot point to a single thing about Iconoclast that makes me think it is a bad album. Unfortunately, the real issue is that I can point to very little that makes me want to listen to it much either.
This. I don't remember it to be awful, but other than a couple of tracks, I don't remember it to be all that memorable either.
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Just listened to TDWOD and TiO, hadn't listened to SX in a long while. Man, those albums are so damn good. Where's the SX from TDWOD-V days? I sure do miss them.
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Just listened to TDWOD and TiO, hadn't listened to SX in a long while. Man, those albums are so damn good. Where's the SX from TDWOD-V days? I sure do miss them.
Amen to that.
Wait, what is TDWOD? The Divine Wings Of Damnation? :)
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I seriously don't get all the Iconoclast hate. It's a great, straight foward metal album. No more, no less.
It's not stellar but I don't think it's bad either. I just like it.
I agree that biggest flaw with Iconoclast is its samey-ness - apart from a handful of outliers like When All Is Lost, all the songs are of a similar nature. Still, I find it is pretty consistent in its quality. I'd definitely rate my least favourite song from Iconoclast higher than my least favourites from DWOT, The Odyssey, and in fact possibly every Symphony X album (its about the same as V and PL in that respect if I include only tracks I consider full songs, but if I include V's interludes and PL's intro Iconoclast trumps them).
Also, it's roughly on a par with the best Symphony X albums - they all have different pros and cons but in terms of how highly I regard them there's not much between V, The Odyssey and Iconoclast (or even Paradise Lost).
Very well put. I agree.
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I cannot point to a single thing about Iconoclast that makes me think it is a bad album. Unfortunately, the real issue is that I can point to very little that makes me want to listen to it much either.
This. I don't remember it to be awful, but other than a couple of tracks, I don't remember it to be all that memorable either.
yeah, I'm here as well. Not terrible but nothing really invites me back for more.
I have a similar feeling about Paradise Lost, but the songs are stronger on PL. I usually don't have the urge to listen to it, but when I do I think it is a pretty good album. With Iconoclast it's more "eh, it's okay".
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I just listened to the opening track. Russell's performance is terrific, as usual. But the music is terrifically boring, as usual.
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I must join in and say that Iconoclast is absolutly stellar production wise, everybody on the album is doing an amazing job and it's sounds really really good but the songs and the album as a whole don't grab my attention like other albums do, even though i've spent alot of time listening to it. That's just how it is but it dosen't mean it's a bad album.
There are some songs worth mentioning:
Iconoclast
The End Of Innocence
Children Of A Faceless God
Reign In Madness
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No When All Is Lost? That's easily the standout for me, along with Children of a Faceless God.
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When All is Lost is one of their best songs ever. The album as a whole feels kind of pedestrian compared to their prior catalog, but I still give it occasional spins. Good but not great.
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Symphony X is one of the few bands I really wouldn't for a DVD from. I've seen them live, and have seen a bunch of youtubes and of course the gigantour DVD and.........well they're just super boring live. Russell is awesome, no question about that. Michael Romeo's only form of stage presence is sometimes smoking a cigarette on stage. Leapond's only thing is that he sometimes smiles at the audience. Pinella....forget about it, and Rullo just constantly looks like he's trying to hold in a huge fart.
That's interesting you'd say that, their live presence was exactly the thing that made me fall in love with them in the first place! On the albums I was never really interested, then I saw them support DT in Manchester... again, nothing. But then I saw them support DT in Blackburn where I was on the barrier and there from the start and was utterly blown away. I thought they all looked pretty into it but Russell Allen had enough stage presence to be playing with a bunch of mannequins and still get the crowd going. From then on I got into their music and then saw them a few years later on in their own show.
Iconoclast is definitely my favourite album by them. It's just so solidly consistent, and ends with my favourite SX track. When All is Lost became such a comfort to me at one point.
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Tastes: Everyone has their own, and I'm down with that. :tup
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Tastes: Everyone has their own, and I'm down with that. :tup
Of course... I love talking about songs/albums with people who are already into the band to whatever extent and have an opinion, whether it matches mine or not (usually it's more interesting when we don't agree on everything :P )
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Well, considering the beat down that Iconoclast was taking over the last page or so, I'm sure it appreciated you coming to the rescue.
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It's always refreshing to see someone with a different opinion. :tup I didn't like Iconoclast, but I get how it could appeal to some fans. :smiley:
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I didn't read the last page admittedly, but last I knew it had gotten a really favourable reception!
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it's a good album for what it is, but I think the band is capable of so much more.
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I still don't get the hate for Symphony X becoming more progressively heavy as time goes by, especially Iconoclast, because it feels like the critics of the band are pretty much ignoring the progression the band has made in that regards since the start. Each album is heavier and more guitar driven than the one before it. People-and some of them are here-are acting like the band woke up with Paradise Lost and said "We're a metal band!" I don't mind someone with understandable concerns about Iconoclast-it does get a bit samey after about seven or eight songs, Russell Allen doesn't get to use as much of his range as I'd like-but the people who slam SX for suddenly becoming heavy when that's been the path they've been on since the start, I sometimes wonder which Symphony X they're listening to.
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That's interesting you'd say that, their live presence was exactly the thing that made me fall in love with them in the first place! On the albums I was never really interested, then I saw them support DT in Manchester... again, nothing. But then I saw them support DT in Blackburn where I was on the barrier and there from the start and was utterly blown away. I thought they all looked pretty into it but Russell Allen had enough stage presence to be playing with a bunch of mannequins and still get the crowd going. From then on I got into their music and then saw them a few years later on in their own show.
Iconoclast is definitely my favourite album by them. It's just so solidly consistent, and ends with my favourite SX track. When All is Lost became such a comfort to me at one point.
That's got to be the woman's point of view... because frankly.. as much as I like/love SX, their live show (I saw them a few months back here in Austin) is pretty boring. Russell is a good frontman and gets some audience interaction going, but... a live DVD/BD would just put me to sleep. Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are. It wasn't just the last tour either, I saw them around 2007 (?) in between Dream Theater Dates for Systematic Chaos up in Dallas/Fort Worth... probably around the time Paradise Lost came out and that was positively boring to watch too.
I'd probably still BUY it though, to support the band.
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I maybe shouldn't bite, be... what the hell does me being a woman have to do with my opinion on Symphony X's live show?? I'm fairly sure I'm not the only fan out there that thinks they're amazing live.
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Pretty huge assumptions you're making there, a) that I'm attracted to any of the members and b) that this would be the reason I enjoy watching them :huh:
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I saw Symphony X May 2011 and they were amazing. Russell was a trip and although the other guys weren't jumping up and down or anything, it was a great fun show.
Hansi basically stood in one spot the whole time, but the Blind Guardian DVD was still enjoyable.
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I maybe shouldn't bite, be... what the hell does me being a woman have to do with my opinion on Symphony X's live show?? I'm fairly sure I'm not the only fan out there that thinks they're amazing live.
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Pretty huge assumptions you're making there, a) that I'm attracted to any of the members and b) that this would be the reason I enjoy watching them :huh:
It's not hard to understand. If you are attracted to someone you are more prone to like more things about them. I'm sure there have been plenty of studies on the psychology behind that.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that think their live show is great, but I see a lot of GUYS in this thread stating a DVD or live viewing of the band would do nothing for them. You like the show, you're a woman.. it stands to reason that ATTRACTION to a member of the band could be part of the reason you enjoy the show more. It's just one theory, it's not the FINAL theory.
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It's not beyond the realm of reasonable assumption that someone could enjoy a live show a bit more because they fancy one of the musicians, but you said "I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are" which is a huge assumption and pretty insulting. I would never presume that your reasoning behind enjoying a live show was that you're secretly gay and wanna fuck the lead singer. I've seen plenty of guys say how much they like SX live, on and away from these boards.
Don't make judgements that me being female has anything to do with my opinion on music. And maybe don't start a post with "That's got to be the woman's point of view..." unless you want a pissed off feminist on your hands. ;)
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It's not beyond the realm of reasonable assumption that someone could enjoy a live show a bit more because they fancy one of the musicians, but you said "I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are" which is a huge assumption and pretty insulting. I would never presume that your reasoning behind enjoying a live show was that you're secretly gay and wanna fuck the lead singer. I've seen plenty of guys say how much they like SX live, on and away from these boards.
Don't make judgements that me being female has anything to do with my opinion on music. And maybe don't start a post with "That's got to be the woman's point of view..." unless you want a pissed off feminist on your hands. ;)
:yeahright
Like I said, it's a logical assumption and not the sole reason one might like a band. You don' t have to go around stomping your feet proclaiming your feminism to me.
Hell in this very thread other folks have mentioned how 'dreamy' Russell is.... so again it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that attraction plays a part in enjoyment.
P.S Are you the type of 'feminist' that thinks men and women should be entirely equal but gets offended when a man doesn't hold a door open for you or offer to pay for your meal?
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Assuming that I like SX live because I fancy the members is not a logical assumption, and is pretty offensive. But whatever. Have a great evening.
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It's not beyond the realm of reasonable assumption that someone could enjoy a live show a bit more because they fancy one of the musicians, but you said "I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are" which is a huge assumption and pretty insulting. I would never presume that your reasoning behind enjoying a live show was that you're secretly gay and wanna fuck the lead singer. I've seen plenty of guys say how much they like SX live, on and away from these boards.
Don't make judgements that me being female has anything to do with my opinion on music. And maybe don't start a post with "That's got to be the woman's point of view..." unless you want a pissed off feminist on your hands. ;)
:yeahright
Like I said, it's a logical assumption and not the sole reason one might like a band. You don' t have to go around stomping your feet proclaiming your feminism to me.
Hell in this very thread other folks have mentioned how 'dreamy' Russell is.... so again it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that attraction plays a part in enjoyment.
P.S Are you the type of 'feminist' that thinks men and women should be entirely equal but gets offended when a man doesn't hold a door open for you or offer to pay for your meal?
Dude... not meaning to get all up myself, but I've been into progressive metal for eight years, playing music for 16 years, done a degree in music and written a first class dissertation on why progressive metal is such a sausage fest. I think I know enough about music to be able to ascertain whether I think a band's live show is good without basing it on whether I want to fuck them. The fact that you would link my opinion to my gender and sexuality is pretty backwards.
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It's not beyond the realm of reasonable assumption that someone could enjoy a live show a bit more because they fancy one of the musicians, but you said "I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are" which is a huge assumption and pretty insulting. I would never presume that your reasoning behind enjoying a live show was that you're secretly gay and wanna fuck the lead singer. I've seen plenty of guys say how much they like SX live, on and away from these boards.
Don't make judgements that me being female has anything to do with my opinion on music. And maybe don't start a post with "That's got to be the woman's point of view..." unless you want a pissed off feminist on your hands. ;)
:yeahright
Like I said, it's a logical assumption and not the sole reason one might like a band. You don' t have to go around stomping your feet proclaiming your feminism to me.
Hell in this very thread other folks have mentioned how 'dreamy' Russell is.... so again it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that attraction plays a part in enjoyment.
P.S Are you the type of 'feminist' that thinks men and women should be entirely equal but gets offended when a man doesn't hold a door open for you or offer to pay for your meal?
Dude... not meaning to get all up myself, but I've been into progressive metal for eight years, playing music for 16 years, done a degree in music and written a first class dissertation on why progressive metal is such a sausage fest. I think I know enough about music to be able to ascertain whether I think a band's live show is good without basing it on whether I want to fuck them. The fact that you would link my opinion to my gender and sexuality is pretty backwards.
I didn't say you wanted to fuck any of them, I said you MAY find a member attractive. Attraction does not always mean fucking. You're getting all butt hurt over nothing. I know I like some bands live shows more because there are female members in the band I think are attractive, but that doesn't mean I want to fuck them either, It just means I like the music and the additional eye candy isn't hurting the enjoyment factor either.
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No, you didn't say I 'may' find them attractive, you actually said:
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Obviously some intention is getting lost in translation. I get that you might enjoy a show more if you're attracted to someone on stage, but that doesn't happen for me.
I get the point you're trying to make, which isn't one I necessarily disagree with with regards to others.
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I maybe shouldn't bite, be... what the hell does me being a woman have to do with my opinion on Symphony X's live show?? I'm fairly sure I'm not the only fan out there that thinks they're amazing live.
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Pretty huge assumptions you're making there, a) that I'm attracted to any of the members and b) that this would be the reason I enjoy watching them :huh:
It's not hard to understand. If you are attracted to someone you are more prone to like more things about them. I'm sure there have been plenty of studies on the psychology behind that.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that think their live show is great, but I see a lot of GUYS in this thread stating a DVD or live viewing of the band would do nothing for them. You like the show, you're a woman.. it stands to reason that ATTRACTION to a member of the band could be part of the reason you enjoy the show more. It's just one theory, it's not the FINAL theory.
But if you have a theory about something, perhaps you should ask if its true rather than stating that it is, which is what you did.
Your line of reasoning was 'You're a woman, you like their live show. Some guys have said they dont like their live show, therefore you must find someone in the band attractive." That's not logic at work, it's just an assumption based on circumstances.
There can be many reasons why a person enjoys a particular live performance or album. Nightmare_cinema already stated a preference for 'Iconoclast', which is pretty atypical for most folks around here, and certainly not the view I share, but that's what makes reading about other people's opinions interesting. If we're going to simplify things by saying 'Well you only disagree with me because you're X which means you must think X' then discussions will quickly become very boring.
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No, you didn't say I 'may' find them attractive, you actually said:
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Obviously some intention is getting lost in translation. I get that you might enjoy a show more if you're attracted to someone on stage, but that doesn't happen for me.
I get the point you're trying to make, which isn't one I necessarily disagree with with regards to others.
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Yes, I say you MAY. Maybe is not a definitive.
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I maybe shouldn't bite, be... what the hell does me being a woman have to do with my opinion on Symphony X's live show?? I'm fairly sure I'm not the only fan out there that thinks they're amazing live.
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Pretty huge assumptions you're making there, a) that I'm attracted to any of the members and b) that this would be the reason I enjoy watching them :huh:
It's not hard to understand. If you are attracted to someone you are more prone to like more things about them. I'm sure there have been plenty of studies on the psychology behind that.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that think their live show is great, but I see a lot of GUYS in this thread stating a DVD or live viewing of the band would do nothing for them. You like the show, you're a woman.. it stands to reason that ATTRACTION to a member of the band could be part of the reason you enjoy the show more. It's just one theory, it's not the FINAL theory.
But if you have a theory about something, perhaps you should ask if its true rather than stating that it is, which is what you did.
Your line of reasoning was 'You're a woman, you like their live show. Some guys have said they dont like their live show, therefore you must find someone in the band attractive." That's not logic at work, it's just an assumption based on circumstances.
There can be many reasons why a person enjoys a particular live performance or album. Nightmare_cinema already stated a preference for 'Iconoclast', which is pretty atypical for most folks around here, and certainly not the view I share, but that's what makes reading about other people's opinions interesting. If we're going to simplify things by saying 'Well you only disagree with me because you're X which means you must think X' then discussions will quickly become very boring.
I said MAYBE she finds someone attractive.. I didn't say "YOU ARE A CHICK AND YOU MUST FIND A DUDE ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS BAND LIVE". I provided a plausible assumption on why someone of the opposite gender might enjoy the band more than the bulk majority in this thread. I never said it WAS the only explanation, I never said she wanted to fuck any of them. I stated nothing in absolutes.
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Actually, what you just said implies that it's a fact that you're not attracted to them and a fact that I am, but that fact 'may' have something to do with our enjoyment of the live shows.
If you wanted to discuss whether attraction was part of it you coulda said 'I wonder if attraction to band members plays a part in enjoyment of a live show?' which wouldn't presume that I (you're assuming I'm straight) am attracted, and guys (assuming every guy is straight) aren't.
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I maybe shouldn't bite, be... what the hell does me being a woman have to do with my opinion on Symphony X's live show?? I'm fairly sure I'm not the only fan out there that thinks they're amazing live.
"Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are."
Pretty huge assumptions you're making there, a) that I'm attracted to any of the members and b) that this would be the reason I enjoy watching them :huh:
It's not hard to understand. If you are attracted to someone you are more prone to like more things about them. I'm sure there have been plenty of studies on the psychology behind that.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that think their live show is great, but I see a lot of GUYS in this thread stating a DVD or live viewing of the band would do nothing for them. You like the show, you're a woman.. it stands to reason that ATTRACTION to a member of the band could be part of the reason you enjoy the show more. It's just one theory, it's not the FINAL theory.
But if you have a theory about something, perhaps you should ask if its true rather than stating that it is, which is what you did.
Your line of reasoning was 'You're a woman, you like their live show. Some guys have said they dont like their live show, therefore you must find someone in the band attractive." That's not logic at work, it's just an assumption based on circumstances.
There can be many reasons why a person enjoys a particular live performance or album. Nightmare_cinema already stated a preference for 'Iconoclast', which is pretty atypical for most folks around here, and certainly not the view I share, but that's what makes reading about other people's opinions interesting. If we're going to simplify things by saying 'Well you only disagree with me because you're X which means you must think X' then discussions will quickly become very boring.
I said MAYBE she finds someone attractive.. I didn't say "YOU ARE A CHICK AND YOU MUST FIND A DUDE ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS BAND LIVE". I provided a plausible assumption on why someone of the opposite gender might enjoy the band more than the bulk majority in this thread. I never said it WAS the only explanation, I never said she wanted to fuck any of them. I stated nothing in absolutes.
""Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are.""
""you (as a woman) are""
You didn't say I "might" find someone attractive at all. Maybe worth dropping this now, I don't know if English is your first language or what but there's really nothing left to discuss on this, is there? Back to Symphony X!
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Actually, what you just said implies that it's a fact that you're not attracted to them and a fact that I am, but that fact 'may' have something to do with our enjoyment of the live shows.
If you wanted to discuss whether attraction was part of it you coulda said 'I wonder if attraction to band members plays a part in enjoyment of a live show?' which wouldn't presume that I (you're assuming I'm straight) am attracted, and guys (assuming every guy is straight) aren't.
I never said I had factual evidence you are/were attracted to any members. Using some of the examples below... "perhaps (aka maybe) being a female attracted to men could up your enjoyment level, versus a straight male who likes the music but not the live effort."
See:
may·be
[mey-bee]
adverb
1.
perhaps; possibly: Maybe I'll go too.
noun
2.
a possibility or uncertainty.
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""Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm not attracted to any of the members (as a guy) and you (as a woman) are.""
""you (as a woman) are""
You didn't say I "might" find someone attractive at all. Maybe worth dropping this now, I don't know if English is your first language or what but there's really nothing left to discuss on this, is there? Back to Symphony X!
The word MAYBE by itself is the very definition of not talking in absolutes. "maybe you find them attractive" means it's a possibility, not a certainty. "might" is about as far from an absolute as maybe is. You're just using a different word for uncertainty.
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You did say the word 'maybe', but you also used the word 'fact'. Do you need a dictionary definition to understand what that means?
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Um... you're purposefully ignoring anything that I'm saying, and resorting to using dictionary excerpts to try and back your point up, when I've already said I understand the point you were trying to make, you just worded it incorrectly (based on what your subsequent posts make it out to be). Chill bro.
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You did say the word 'maybe', but you also used the word 'fact'. Do you need a dictionary definition to understand what that means?
Yes. The fact that _I_ am not attracted to any members. Did you miss the part where I said I'm not attracted to any of them?
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Mindflux... the way that sentence comes across, the "maybe" is tied to "the fact"... "the fact" being that n_c is attracted to the band.
Dude, whether you meant it that way originally and are now back pedaling, or legitimately did not mean to suggest n_c liked them live because of an attraction, is irrelevant at this point. Right now, the only response required is 'I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way." The more you're defending yourself and comments, the deeper you're digging yourself.
I'm just mostly pissed I've had 3 chances to see them live, and haven't taken advantage of any of them!
edit... ninja'd four times already!
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I'd be interested in reading your dissertation on why is prog metal such a sausage fest, but I bet the fact that us as women are constantly put under scrutiny/interrogated/doubted for liking something male-oriented is given more than a passing mention :)
Let me get it straight for the dude who still doesn't get it - for the most part, enjoying someone's live performance has really nothing to do with their physical appearance. And everyone says "sure, of course it doesn't" but then proceeds to assume I was at a show, or that I had a good time at a show, because the band has a hot guitarist.
I find Russell Allen incredibly attractive, but when I'm looking at SyX live recordings, I'm not thinking "holy shit is he hot or what", I'm thinking "holy shit is he belting out those notes or what".
Hey, and I really dig Iconoclast too, both discs equally, and would at worst give it an 8.5... Must be a girl thing :rollin
Edit: ninja'd as well.
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You did say the word 'maybe', but you also used the word 'fact'. Do you need a dictionary definition to understand what that means?
Yes. The fact that _I_ am not attracted to any members. Did you miss the part where I said I'm not attracted to any of them?
Perhaps you didn't mean to word things as you did, but it seemed from what you were saying that it was a fact that you didn't find them attractive and that nightmare did. Maybe this isn't what you intended to say, but it was how I interpreted your comments and I hope that you can understand why they seemed a bit off to me.
Anyhow, this thread has been derailed enough now. Time to get back to discussing Symphony X!
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hehe... girls using the term 'sausage-fest'.
I too would be interested in the SUMMARIZED version of that paper.
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I'd be interested in reading your dissertation on why is prog metal such a sausage fest, but I bet the fact that us as women are constantly put under scrutiny/interrogated/doubted for liking something male-oriented is given more than a passing mention :)
It's been a few years since I wrote it but I can always send you the text of it over if you PM me an email. Funnily enough that is literally the first time in years of being into DT/prog that anyone has suggested my gender is even noticed when it comes to being into the music. For the most part it's an incredibly respectful and entertaining community of fans (of the music, not just on this board) who are generally quite pleased to see more female involvement :)
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hehe... girls using the term 'sausage-fest'.
I too would be interested in the SUMMARIZED version of that paper.
I came up with the term 'ovulating buckets' the other day too, when my friend said he was 'cumming buckets' over a song :P
I don't have a summarized version, it's 11k words which is probably a bit lengthy for a casual read :P
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Bit of a surprise to see a page of that in this thread, but it beats a page of Iconoclast bashing.
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So I was listening to my Ipod on shuffle last night (Sorry Steven) and two Paradise Lost songs came on and I quite enjoyed them both. :)
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Yeah, all the songs range from good (Domination, Serpent's Kiss) to great (Paradise Lost, Revelation) - it's only when listening to it in one sitting that it becomes somewhat a chore.
EDIT: Just checked read the last page. My reaction: :whatthe:
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My god what happened here? :lol
Saying a woman likes a band only because she thinks the guys are hot is like, beyond dimwitted. And yes, that's what you did. Just because you said "maybe" doesn't make the suggestion better.
I keep having to apologize for my gender these days way too often anymore. And that being said, c'mon, I defended Paradise Lost and Iconoclast. COME AT ME. :P
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My god what happened here? :lol
Saying a woman likes a band only because she thinks the guys are hot is like, beyond dimwitted. And yes, that's what you did. Just because you said "maybe" doesn't make the suggestion better.
I keep having to apologize for my gender these days way too often anymore. And that being said, c'mon, I defended Paradise Lost and Iconoclast. COME AT ME. :P
FFS. I never said she liked the band only because someone was hot. I said MAYBE she enjoyed the live show more due to this. It wasn't a suggestion, it was an uncertain question on attraction.
:chill
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Okay, here's the final word on the issue: Mindflux, your explanation about what you meant makes perfect sense. And I think nightmare_cinema, judging from her response, gets what you meant by your statement now that you have explained it. But the other side of the coin is that the way you worded it was offensive, and you are not getting that. You may not have meant it that way, but it definitely came across as offense, even though you may not have meant to have done anything wrong. And the quickest way to remedy a situation like that is an acknowledgement rather than defending yourself and throwing up the "I didn't do anything wrong!" defense. Much easier to just say something like, "I see how you took what I said, and I apologize for the way it came across and didn't mean to have offended you," and then just move on. That's what I would recommend. But let's just leave it at that. Please do not further derail the thread with these pointless arguments about what was said and what was intended, okay?
And for what it's worth, @ nightmare_cinema: Personally, I don't think your positive reaction to SX's live show has anything to do with being attracted to the band. But I do have a thought. See, I think the common thread is actually: sandwiches. Michael Romeo has obviously eaten his fair share of them. And you, as a woman, are obviously good at making them for your man. So, please, go fix us all some sammiches. kthx.
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And for what it's worth, @ nightmare_cinema: Personally, I don't think your positive reaction to SX's live show has anything to do with being attracted to the band. But I do have a thought. See, I think the common thread is actually: sandwiches. Michael Romeo has obviously eaten his fair share of them. And you, as a woman, are obviously good at making them for your man. So, please, go fix us all some sammiches. kthx.
:clap:
I literally laughed out loud.
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Edit: nevermind
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My god what happened here? :lol
Saying a woman likes a band only because she thinks the guys are hot is like, beyond dimwitted. And yes, that's what you did. Just because you said "maybe" doesn't make the suggestion better.
I keep having to apologize for my gender these days way too often anymore. And that being said, c'mon, I defended Paradise Lost and Iconoclast. COME AT ME. :P
I just read the previous page and I have to agree. My firm belief that people who appreciate progressive music are mature and beyond superficial statements has been shattered.
Apart from that, Symphony X isn't a C-grade Dream Theater clone. Their albums from DWOT to V are important Prog Metal landmarks, enjoying them live just for the music (even if the shows are bland) doesn't require any special reason - they are just a damn fine band.
Luckily, the woman on the previous page handled it very well.
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My firm belief that people who appreciate progressive music are mature and beyond superficial statements has been shattered.
Holding people who appreciate progressive or any kind of music to some kind of standard different from other people is just as dumb.
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My firm belief that people who appreciate progressive music are mature and beyond superficial statements has been shattered.
Hahahaha
hahaha
haaaaa
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My firm belief that people who appreciate progressive music are mature and beyond superficial statements has been shattered.
Holding people who appreciate progressive or any kind of music to some kind of standard different from other people is just as dumb.
Sorry. I thought that the self-irony in this sentence was obvious due to the exaggerated language. I will remember to add a smiley next time I write such a joke ;)
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Sarcasm green is a good choice too.
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Much easier to just say something like, "I see how you took what I said, and I apologize for the way it came across and didn't mean to have offended you," and then just move on. That's what I would recommend. But let's just leave it at that. Please do not further derail the thread with these pointless arguments about what was said and what was intended, okay?
I sent her a PM (before you posted this) apologizing for the confusion. :coolio
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:tup
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And for what it's worth, @ nightmare_cinema: Personally, I don't think your positive reaction to SX's live show has anything to do with being attracted to the band. But I do have a thought. See, I think the common thread is actually: sandwiches. Michael Romeo has obviously eaten his fair share of them. And you, as a woman, are obviously good at making them for your man. So, please, go fix us all some sammiches. kthx.
See a good sexist joke I can generally get on board with.. but I've heard too many sandwich jokes in my time :P I'm good at making them, though. If you like vegan food. Which is probably not what you were thinking.
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And for what it's worth, @ nightmare_cinema: Personally, I don't think your positive reaction to SX's live show has anything to do with being attracted to the band. But I do have a thought. See, I think the common thread is actually: sandwiches. Michael Romeo has obviously eaten his fair share of them. And you, as a woman, are obviously good at making them for your man. So, please, go fix us all some sammiches. kthx.
See a good sexist joke I can generally get on board with.. but I've heard too many sandwich jokes in my time :P I'm good at making them, though. If you like vegan food. Which is probably not what you were thinking.
Vegan power!
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Milk n eggs, bitch!
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And for what it's worth, @ nightmare_cinema: Personally, I don't think your positive reaction to SX's live show has anything to do with being attracted to the band. But I do have a thought. See, I think the common thread is actually: sandwiches. Michael Romeo has obviously eaten his fair share of them. And you, as a woman, are obviously good at making them for your man. So, please, go fix us all some sammiches. kthx.
See a good sexist joke I can generally get on board with.. but I've heard too many sandwich jokes in my time :P I'm good at making them, though. If you like vegan food. Which is probably not what you were thinking.
Well, then I'm glad I didn't take it to the next level by responding to Mindflux: "Yeah, well I sent her a PM before you sent her a PM, with my sandwich order."
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:rollin :rollin
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:rollin
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Sandwich jokes never get old.
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:hearts:
But, no, I don't think I'd like vegan sandwiches, so I'm afraid our relationship is doomed before it begins. Friends then?
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Milk n eggs, bitch!
Shot down. :(
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:hearts:
But, no, I don't think I'd like vegan sandwiches, so I'm afraid our relationship is doomed before it begins. Friends then?
You've never had an avocado, red onion and tomato sandwich in a ciabatta then ;) but sure, friends works for me.
Milk n eggs, bitch!
Shot down. :(
I assumed you were referring to Scott Pilgrim...?
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I wish avocados were fat free like veggies since that's basically what they are culinarily despite being a nut. I'd eat like 20 a day if I could.
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And for what it's worth, @ nightmare_cinema: Personally, I don't think your positive reaction to SX's live show has anything to do with being attracted to the band. But I do have a thought. See, I think the common thread is actually: sandwiches. Michael Romeo has obviously eaten his fair share of them. And you, as a woman, are obviously good at making them for your man. So, please, go fix us all some sammiches. kthx.
:clap:
I literally laughed out loud.
This
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hmmm, something's wrong here.
Yeah, and I like Symphony X. Don't ruin this band's thread with sandwithes!
(Even though I also like sandwithes...)
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:hearts:
But, no, I don't think I'd like vegan sandwiches, so I'm afraid our relationship is doomed before it begins. Friends then?
You've never had an avocado, red onion and tomato sandwich in a ciabatta then ;)
Well, don't get me wrong--that sounds good. But add a bit of bacon or turkey, and we're taking it up to a whole different level.
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Okay, time to hijack this thread.
Iconoclast is awesome. I don't know what you guys are smoking to think otherwise. :lol
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It"s good for the most part. It does have a couple stinkers though, but Dehumanized isn't one of them.
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Milk n eggs, bitch!
Shot down. :(
I assumed you were referring to Scott Pilgrim...?
Nope. Referring to me being an on again off again vegan, but always a vegetarian. Ah well.
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The poll has made me re-listen to V more in detail because i haven't really listen the whole album in years actually, specific songs maybe but not the album in one listen. Damn that album is good. Love the smooth transition between the songs and the lyrics and the theme are awesome. I have kind of forgotten how technical the songs are, there's alot of time changes going on and rythmic modulations between the members, i love stuff like that! :metal
It's gonna be a tough poll because i'm still not certain how i should vote on some songs. :-\
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If you vote against A Fool's Paradise in any round of the V survivor, we are not a match.
You're right though, it's a great album. Some of the songs aren't that great on their own (On the Breath of Poseidon, I'm looking at you!), but as a whole, it's an absolutely stunning experience.
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If you vote against A Fool's Paradise in any round of the V survivor, we are not a match.
You're right though, it's a great album. Some of the songs aren't that great on their own (On the Breath of Poseidon, I'm looking at you!), but as a whole, it's an absolutely stunning experience.
To be honest that's not a song, as the title say it's a segue "a transition to the next section" in this case "a transition to the following song", so it's kind of unfair to count it like a stand alone song but of course you can still judge it.
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True. Same applies for The Bird-Serpent War/Cataclysm, though. Not a song that I would listen on its own, but it absolutely works perfectly in the context of the album.
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Don't worry though, A Fool's Paradise is amongst the top...we'll see how long it will stand because i have not really decided the winner for me yet.
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Okay, time to hijack this thread.
Iconoclast is awesome. I don't know what you guys are smoking to think otherwise. :lol
I was thinking the same thing, but on the other hand, maybe they should smoke something. :2metal:
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Necro bump
My ranking of the Symphony X albums:
#1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
#2. The Odyssey
#3. Paradise Lost
#4. V: The New Mythology Suite
#5. The Damnation Game
#6. Twilight in Olympus
#7. Iconoclast
... Haven't listened to the debut yet.
Iconoclast hasn't grown on me yet. It's the highest rated Symphony X albums on some websites (metalcrypt), however.
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Divine Wings, V and The Odyssey. That's it.
Above albums do have lackluster production, but I'd take that over the brickwalled mechanicalsound of PL and Iconoclast any day.
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Divine Wings, V and The Odyssey. That's it.
Above albums do have lackluster production, but I'd take that over the brickwalled mechanicalsound of PL and Iconoclast any day.
Twilight In Olympus is pretty cool too, but I'm with ya :tup
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Damn I forgot that one! Wouldn't say it's amazing, but there really are some of their best songs on it (Smoke, Church, Looking Glass etc.)
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#1. The Odyssey
#2. Twilight in Olympus
#3. Paradise Lost
#4.The Divine Wings of Tragedy
#5. V: The New Mythology Suite
#6. Iconoclast
#7. The Damnation Game
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Hello, rankings, so good to see you...
1. The Odyssey
2. The Damnation Game
3. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
4. V: The New Mythology Suite
5. Twilight in Olympus
6. Paradise Lost
7. Iconoclast
8. Symphony X
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1.The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
2.V:The New Mythology Suite
3.The Odyssey
4.Twilight In Olympus
5.The Damnation Game
6.Paradise Lost
7.Iconoclast
8.Symphony X
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1. The Odyssey
2. Paradise Lost
3. V: The New Mythology Suite
4. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
5. Iconoclast
6. The Damnation Game
7. Twilight In Olympus
8. Symphony X
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1. Paradise Lost
2. The Odyssey
3. Twilight in Olympus
4. V: The New Mythology Suite
5. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
6. The Damnation Game
7. Iconoclast
8. Symphony X
2-5 switch very often. The rest are pretty much always the same.
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I will never, for the life of me, understand everyone's problem with Damnation Game.
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Ok, I'll play this game, even if my rankings for the SX albums aren't as well defined as my rankings for DT's records.
1 - V:The New Mythology Suite
2 - Twilight In Olympus
3 - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
4 - The Damnation Game
5 & 6 - Paradise Lost & Iconoclast (More or less even right now, however, that may change in the coming years...)
7 - The Odyssey
....and somewhere so deep the light of the sun cannot reach...
8 - s/t
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I will never, for the life of me, understand everyone's problem with Damnation Game.
They still haven't perfected their sound. It's almost there, but there are a lot of elements missing that makes the other albums better.
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My list:
1. V: the Mythology Suite
2. Twilight in Olympus
3. Divine Wings of Tragedy
4. The Odyssey
5. Paradise Lost
6. The Iconoclast
I have heard The Damnation Game, but not enough to put it on this list. I'm guessing it will probably settle above The Odyssey for me when it does end up on the list, though. And yes, for me, Twilight in Olympus outranks Divine Wings. There are three reasons for that: Pharaoh, Eyes of Medusa, and The Witching Hour. While I don't dislike those songs, I don't like them either, and they drag the album down. Twilight in Olympus, while shorter, holds my attention all the way through. That said, the high points of Divine Wings (The Accolade, Divine Wings, Candlelight Fantasia) do outrank the high points of Twilight (Smoke and Mirrors, Church of the Machine, Through the Looking Glass), so it's almost a tough call--but not quite.
I don't get the hype about The Odyssey, but maybe I just need to listen to it more. I like the title track, Accolade II, and that's about it.
I wouldn't call Paradise Lost and Iconoclast bad albums, but the symphonic elements feel underplayed and Allen doesn't use his voice to its full potential. This isn't what I listen to Symphony X for. If other people enjoy it, fine, but I can't imagine how they're better than V in any universe. Also, this might seem inconsequential, but the art on Iconoclast reminds me of something out of an Xbox game designed to appeal to the dudebro demographic, and it affects how I perceive the music. By no means am I claiming that this is anything other than my subjective perception.
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The Damnation Game might really be #3 for me. "A Winter's Dream" pts. I & II have long been two of my very favorite Symphony X songs, and I just recently remembered how awesome "Whispers" is after completely forgetting about its existence since about 2007. Really #3-5 are interchangeable for me. I've always been fond of The Damnation Game.
7thHanyou: Maybe you should check out "Inferno," "Wicked," "King of Terrors," and "Awakenings" from The Odyssey. Kick ass album. The only thing I don't like about it is the cover art, which is a bit too cartoony for my taste. I do understand what you mean about how album artwork may affect how one perceives the music. ;)
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7thHanyou: Maybe you should check out "Inferno," "Wicked," "King of Terrors," and "Awakenings" from The Odyssey. Kick ass album. The only thing I don't like about it is the cover art, which is a bit too cartoony for my taste. I do understand what you mean about how album artwork may affect how one perceives the music. ;)
I've heard them several times, they just haven't "clicked." It took a long time for Divine Wings to "click" with me as well, so I'm assuming it's a matter of time. That said, I'll pay special attention to those tracks on the next listen.
I realized a few moments ago that if I were to rank Symphony X albums by their cover art, my list would look identical. I actually like the cover art for V and Twilight in Olympus and I'm not to fond of any of the other ones.
That's not the case for most of the other bands I listen to (particularly Dream Theater), so I guess it's just a fluke, but the art of Iconoclast has definitely gotten in the way for me. If the music were more symphonic, that probably wouldn't be the case.
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Anybody else a fan of Michael Pinnella's Enter by the Twelfth Gate? It's one of my favorite albums from any genre.
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1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
2. The Damnation Game
3. Twilight in Olympus
4. V: The New Mythology Suite
5. Symphony X
6. The Odyssey
7. Iconoclast
8. Paradise Lost
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1.The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
2.V:The New Mythology Suite
3.The Odyssey
4.Twilight In Olympus
5.The Damnation Game
6.Paradise Lost
7.Iconoclast
8.Symphony X
very close to my ranking
1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
2. V: The New Mythology Suite
3. The Odyssey
4. Twilight in Olympus
5. Paradise Lost
6. The Damnation Game
7. Iconoclast
8. Symphony X
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hmm, album rankings?
1: V: The New Mythology Suite
2. The Odyssey
3. Twilight in Olympus
4. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
5. Paradise Lost
6. The Damnation Game
7. Iconoclast
8. Symphony X
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Okay, I'll play.
1: The Odyssey
2: V: The New Mythology Suite
3. Iconoclast
4. Paradise Lost
5. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Those are the only ones I have.
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Has anyone posted this yet?
(from the symx website:)
Jason Rullo
Posted on February 27, 2013
February 27, 2013
World Management and Symphony X must unfortunately announce that last week, Jason Rullo was admitted to the hospital for heart failure. Jason spent a week in the hospital, and was released last week; he has started a rehab program, and has been told that his recovery will take a minimum of 3-6 months under doctors’ care. We are all hopeful that J will be back soon!
A note from Jason:
“I would just like to say that I am happy to be home with my family after what was quite a week.
We had a few scary days in there but I made it through what was hopefully the worst of it.
Doctors say I have a very good chance for a full recovery so I plan to be back at 100% even if it takes awhile. I will go through cardiac rehab so I can be monitored while returning to form, so that I’ll know when it’s safe for me to return to drumming the way I always have, if not better.
Thanks to my friends and family for the support, and to the fans, I love you all!” JR
and:
Jason asked that this be posted in response to the outpouring of support he’s received over the past few days:
I can’t thank everybody enough for your support in this time. I am overwhelmed by the number of people who have written in on our various media outlets. I can feel the love and again can’t tell you how much it means to me.
I am doing my best to recover and all the positive vibes sure help!
Much love,
Jason
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I wish Jason Rullo well and hope he soon recovers!
I wonder how it will affect Symphony X's Latin American tour dates in April, and their European and North American tour dates later in the year if it takes him longer than the minimum of 3-6 months to recover.
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bummed to hear that about Jason. Wonder if MP will fill in for awhile...haha. :corn
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bummed to hear that about Jason. Wonder if MP will fill in for awhile...haha. :corn
I was thinking the same thing. :lol :corn
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Thomas Miller (original Symphony X bassist) bass solo. Fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyJ--V5kmG0
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I'm honestly more amazed that someone can be admitted to the hospital for HEART FAILURE and still be expected to make a full recovery. Modern medicine is truly incredible.
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I wish Jason Rullo well and hope he soon recovers!
I wonder how it will affect Symphony X's Latin American tour dates in April, and their European and North American tour dates later in the year if it takes him longer than the minimum of 3-6 months to recover.
North American dates? Where?
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No kidding.... WHERE?! I missed them in May last year when they blew through Dallas. Dying to see them.
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From the Adrenaline Mob facebook page: "Reminder: Russell Allen will be live on FB here to talk to you in less than 1 hour. Join him at 12 NOON EST and get your questions ready!"
I figured hell answer more than just AM questions so i posted here :metal
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From the Adrenaline Mob facebook page: "Reminder: Russell Allen will be live on FB here to talk to you in less than 1 hour. Join him at 12 NOON EST and get your questions ready!"
I figured hell answer more than just AM questions so i posted here :metal
There was a post saying there will be a place to ask questions shortly. So have your question ready, again.
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I asked abuot a new SX album :|
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I asked abuot a new SX album :|
"As far as SX is concerned we're focused on Jason's. recovery so we have no plans for a new record at this point."
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That's ok, even if they did announce that they're working on a new album, it wouldn't be done for another 4 or 5 years.
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That's ok, even if they did announce that they're working on a new album, it wouldn't be done for another 4 or 5 years.
:rollin
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Gave Iconoclast another listen. Bastards of the Machine really grew on me. Especially 3:21 is awesome.
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Gave Iconoclast another listen. Bastards of the Machine really grew on me. Especially 3:21 is awesome.
you know, I mentioned in the "full length album" thread that my most recent listen of the entire album left me with a better appreciation of it. For the longest time I was pretty meh about it, but it seems to be growing on me.
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The Edge of Forever live from 2001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW3OH7gZIZc
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Just saw that pop up on facebook. Cool clip, one of their best songs. Does anyone else thing the beginning kinda sounds like Accolade though?
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I heard the melody from later in the song, but there could have been a little Accolade teaser in there. I didn't hear it though.
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Haven't listened to these guys in a while. I need to get back into their discography. I wish Allen would stop wasting his time with AMob. I wonder what Romeo is up to.
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Probably eating.
There. I got it out of the way.
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I could be wrong, but the pics from the last album and tour, it looked like he had slimmed down quite a bit compared to the old days.
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I would really like to see another live release from them
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Considering it takes 5 years to get a studio album from them, 12 years probably isn't quite the end of the refractory period between live albums.
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I wished they would tone down the metal element a bit and highlight the neo-classical elements a bit more like they used to. :-\
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Me too.
Listened to V today after staying away from it for a couple months. Damn what a kickass album. My favorite from them, they really did everything right with that album. If only the production was up to par with the last three albums. The ending is so epic too, I love it. :hefdaddy
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That´s still my fave as well. Wish they could back to that sound at least somewhat....and yeah, dvd would be nice this century somewhere.
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Me too.
Listened to V today after staying away from it for a couple months. Damn what a kickass album. My favorite from them, they really did everything right with that album. If only the production was up to par with the last three albums. The ending is so epic too, I love it. :hefdaddy
Agree! Awesome album, musically, but the production is not so great, especially the guitar tone, which is horrible. I also wish they'd revert to that style of music. That's what I listen to them for. There are plenty of other bands churning out the kind of stuff they did on Iconoclast.
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I agree as well. Actually, the last two albums have felt that way for me. I enjoy them when I listen to them. But I do not feel the desire to listen to them very often.
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Yes, the albums pre-PL all sound amateurish (not really the right word though) in a way. PL and Iconoclast both have that modern, super professional, super compressed mechanical sound.
I prefer the glossy, reverby productions with a bit of dynamic range. Hell, I really enjoy how Divine Wings and V sound. I can listen to those albums without my ears getting tired of a brickwalled master.
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I wished they would tone down the metal element a bit and highlight the neo-classical elements a bit more like they used to. :-\
Being a newer fan of the band, I actually like the last couple of albums a bit more BECAUSE of the metal element.
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I think Odyssey has the best balance as far as production goes.
Paradise Lost has some really good moments, if I want an assault of metal that's one of my go to albums. Iconoclast kinda feels like a step down from that.
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I love every SX album, but The Divine Wings Of Tragedy is definitely my fav of all :tup
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I love every SX album, but The Divine Wings Of Tragedy is definitely my fav of all :tup
You sir....are correct!
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I love every SX album, but The Divine Wings Of Tragedy is definitely my fav of all :tup
You sir....are correct!
If by "The Divine Wings of Tragedy", you both mean "The Odyssey", the yes... you are both correct.
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TDWoT's killer tracks are comfortably better than TO's. TDWoT's filler tracks slaughter TO's. There ain't much more to it than that.
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TDWoT's killer tracks are comfortably better than TO's. TDWoT's filler tracks slaughter TO's. There ain't much more to it than that.
Absofuckinglutely sir.
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What tracks on TdWoT would qualify as filler anyway? Maybe Pharaoh and Witching Hour, but even those are rather enjoyable.
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The Witching Hour is beyond terrible. The Pharaoh is awesome, not sure how it's filler.
The Odyssey doesn't have any filler or bad songs at all.
The Odyssey wins.
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I used "filler" in regard to how the DTF consensus views it, not me. I like every minute of the album except for the aladdincore breakdown in The Eyes of Medusa.
By DTF consensus, I'd tier the albums like this:
TDWoT:
Good:
Of Sins and Shadows
Sea of Lies
Accolade
TDWoT
Candlelight Fantasia
So so:
Out of the Ashes
Pharaoh
The Eyes of Medusa
Bad:
The Witching Hour
The Odyssey:
Good:
Inferno (Unleash the Fire)
Accolade II
Awakenings
The Odyssey
So so:
Wicked (easily cold be under "bad" though)
Incantations of the Apprentice
Bad:
King of Terrors
The Turning
Once again, my opinion is different from the above since it's just my best recollection of how the survivors/general DTF opinion have gone.
And Zook, Wicked is not only one of their worst songs ever, it also contains their worst riff ever. Bands like them, while obviously more physically talented than Pantera, etc., are absolutely abysmal at convincingly trying to emulate that style.
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I disagree, bro. I love Wicked, and part of it is because the riff, but more specifically, the second part of the riff. Yeah, it's very clear Romeo loves Pantera, but in my opinion, he does it well.
Also, King of Terrors is awesome, as is The Turning. I can see why The Turning can end up on the filler list, but I think King of Terrors is a fan favorite. Maybe I'm wrong, but then, Symphony X is very divided amongst fans, and I usually hold the minority opinion.
I don't mind the Aladdincore bit, but I did make an edit of the song when I don't feel like listening to a section of a song that kills the momentum of the rest of the song.
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I love pretty much every song on The Odyssey. I bought Divine Wings, listened to it once, and shelved it. I just listened to it again, and it's definitely a very good album, but I had heard a lot of the songs either on their official live album, or from bootlegs, and they sound better and more aggressive in a live setting. Plus, I got that album fairly late in the game, and was kind of "over" Symphony X and never gave it a fair shake. I'm not saying any of this to try to make a case as to which album is better. They're both pretty good. But I prefer the Odyssey by a fair margin myself and don't dislike a single song. (like Zook, I love King of Terrors, The Turning, and Wicked)
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My problem with DWOT is that I love the Of Sins and Shadows and the title song so much that I don't give the rest of the album enough attention. Honestly, I prefer several of the other albums by a long shot. Every song on Odyssey is at least good, I kinda agree about Wicked though, the riff is kinda lame. Other parts make up for it though. Everything else is great though. Apart from the obvious behemoth of a title track, I really like Accolade II and Awakenings.
King of Terrors and The Turning kinda get forgotten imo, but I thoroughly enjoy them whenever listening to the entire album.
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I still think it's fucking retarded how so many people write off the debut like it's some 16 year old jerkoffs writing three chord punk in a garage even though it's an elaborate shredfest with all kinds of awesome parts. Absinthe and Rue, FUCKTARDS!!! (https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/My%20Pics/Symphony_floyd_zpsedbeaf52.jpg)
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It's pretty much Symphony X's WDADU, though. A different singer from the rest of their work, one that doesn't fit their work, and really poor production values. There's good there, but you have to dig further. Frankly I like Romeo's solo album better than their debut.
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Doesn't Romeo consider the debut nothing more than a demo?
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So if he considered it an opus, you'd like it?
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No, I'd just disagree. It just happens to work in my favor.
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Well, I have zero problem with that. I just thought you were using MJR's opinion as a basis for writing it off.
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Nah, my problem with the debut is the same as my problem with most of Damnation Game. I always defend Symphony X when people say how cheesy they are, but those first two albums are pretty damn cheesy. The Divine Wings has its moments too, but doesn't go quite as far to where I can't enjoy it. The only songs I like on DG are the title track (sometimes), Dressed to Kill, The Edge of Forever, and A Winter's Dream. The rest just aren't very good. And the re-recorded Masquerade is so much better, but I don't think anyone will disagree on that... well, maybe Destiny of Chaos with his weird fucking opinions, but I can't remember if he's a SX fan or not.
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Bump because Awakenings = :metal. It's probably my second favourite SX song at the moment, just after The Edge of Forever. I love the unconventional song structure, and the melodies and the solos are amazing throughout. Show some love!
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Fuck yeah! Awakenings awakens the blood flow in my nethers 8=====D
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IIRC, you also get quite a hardon for The Edge of Forever, right? You have awesome taste. :D
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Thanks dude. You do too :metal
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:facepalm: at me for thinking news related bump, i've should have known SX don't do such a thing.
(https://www.platboyonline.com/images/smilies/tumbleweed.gif)
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Awakenings is very cool, a worthy predecessor to Odyssey. It's pretty unconventional for Symphony X in style and structure which is why I like it so much, since SX have always come off as a band who stepped outside their boundaries very much, even in their prime.
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The Odyssey is pure perfection. Symphony X's crowning achievement. Not a bad song. Not a good song. All great songs.
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:bump:
I got The Odyssey yesterday. Amazing stuff, although Incantations Of The Apprentice and The Turning are a bit weaker than the rest (maybe/hopefully they'll grow on me). Overall, it's my favourite album of theirs out of the ones I've heard (V, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) :metal
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:bump:
I got The Odyssey yesterday. Amazing stuff, although Incantations Of The Apprentice and The Turning are a bit weaker than the rest (maybe/hopefully they'll grow on me). Overall, it's my favourite album of theirs out of the ones I've heard (V, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) :metal
I agree that those are the weakest tracks on the album. But they are still very good, so... :metal
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Perfect album. PERFECT.
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I got The Odyssey yesterday. Amazing stuff, although Incantations Of The Apprentice and The Turning are a bit weaker than the rest (maybe/hopefully they'll grow on me). Overall, it's my favourite album of theirs out of the ones I've heard (V, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) :metal
You also might want to check out The Divine Wings of Tragedy. Very solid album and really cool 20 min epic title track. :tup
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I don't think I have the Odyssey or The Divine wings of tragedy. I can't check cuz all my CDs are packed up due to kids pulling 'em off shelves. guh
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THE ENDLESS NIIIIIGHTS
seriously, how ridiculously catchy is that chorus :o
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Incantations is awesome. As is the rest of the album. :metal
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I don't think I have the Odyssey or The Divine wings of tragedy. I can't check cuz all my CDs are packed up due to kids pulling 'em off shelves. guh
Dewd. Those are probably the two most vital albums to have by SX.
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Why no love for "The new Mythology Suite"? :'(
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[...] although Incantations Of The Apprentice and The Turning are a bit weaker than the rest (maybe/hopefully they'll grow on me).
I agree that those are the weakest tracks... But they're not totally weak, just inconsistent. Both songs got some seriously catchy and cool bits. The Turning is pretty forgettable (personally I dig the pre-chorus, the rest not so much), until you get to the solo section. One of my favourites in the whole Symphony X catalogue, and easily overlooked. A little hidden gem!
V is the best album. Odyssey and Divine Wings got the best songs though. Twilight is a very good fourth.
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I got The Odyssey yesterday. Amazing stuff, although Incantations Of The Apprentice and The Turning are a bit weaker than the rest (maybe/hopefully they'll grow on me). Overall, it's my favourite album of theirs out of the ones I've heard (V, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) :metal
Get Divine Wings, arguable their best album alongside V and Odyssey :tup
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I enjoy V a lot, but there are some songs on there that I'm not really into, and in some places the cheesiness is just a bit too much for me ;)
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Listen to The Accolade from Divine Wings, tell me what you think about it :corn
Also, check The Eyes Of Medusa and Pharaoh :metal
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I'll do it and I'll tell you :tup
And if The Accolade is as good as the second part, then :caffeine:
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:bump:
I got The Odyssey yesterday. Amazing stuff, although Incantations Of The Apprentice and The Turning are a bit weaker than the rest (maybe/hopefully they'll grow on me). Overall, it's my favourite album of theirs out of the ones I've heard (V, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost, Iconoclast) :metal
Get Divine Wings, arguable their best album alongside V and Odyssey :tup
Divine will always be special to me, I kind of miss that style with less metal and more classical influences in their music.
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My favourite single song from them is "The Edge of Forever". The album Damnation Game as a whole doesn't hold a candle to the three albums that come next, but that song is amazing.
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Listen to The Accolade from Divine Wings, tell me what you think about it :corn
Also, check The Eyes Of Medusa and Pharaoh :metal
First impressions:
Pharaoh: :)
The Eyes Of Medusa: :o
The Accolade: :o :o :o
I need this album. One more on my never ending list :facepalm:
Thanks for the recommendations :tup
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Very good eh?
Now into Divine Wings, the title track ::)
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Very good eh?
Now into Divine Wings, the title track ::)
I could see how a new listener might be discouraged by the title track after getting through The Witching Hour.
The album is pretty amazing and then takes a huge dump on the listener. I assure you, it gets amazing again.
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Thanks for the recommendations :tup
There is a thread to recommend stuff?
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Just get the whole damn discography and call it a day. You won't regret it (the self-titled can probably wait if you are short on funds)
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Thanks for the recommendations :tup
There is a thread to recommend stuff?
Sorry for posting SX related stuff in the SX thread ::)
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Thanks for the recommendations :tup
There is a thread to recommend stuff?
Sorry for posting SX related stuff in the SX thread ::)
I meant a thread to recommend music in general?
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I get that, but you were the one recommending me some DVOT songs to check out, not the other way round. No need to tell me to post in a different thread.
EDIT: I realised I might not really get your point, so if that's the case, I'm sorry.
On topic: Accolade II is my favourite song on TO at the moment, followed by King Of Terrors, with the title track either at #3 or #4 (pretty much a tie with Inferno).
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No need to tell me to post in a different thread.
You didn't understand...i didn't told you to post in a different thread.
I recommended some songs to you and then i think: "why not recommend album or songs of other bands?" Then i asked if there is a thread for this in DTF, because i can't do it in here (obviously, as it is a Symphony X thread)
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Okay, I misunderstood (Nuggetz olol). But what exactly do you mean by "why not recommend album or songs of other bands?"? Do you want others to recommend songs to you, or what?
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No, the other way around.
Quite difficult to understand, eh?
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I gave Iconoclast another try this week after almost a year of not listening to it. I'm glad I picked it up back then, since it introduced me to the band (just ordered TDWOT btw :caffeine:), and although I loved it initially, overall the album hasn't aged really well. Apart from the title track, which I still enjoy a lot, most of the songs are pretty weak and seem uninspired.
And of course, how ridiculous is it to release two versions of the album, one only containing half the material (I have the version with only one CD)? I know it wasn't the bands's decision, but fuck NB. Seriously.
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I personally love Iconoclast and listen to is regulary.
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I personally love Iconoclast and listen to is regulary.
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I liked Iconoclast when it was new, but since then I've started to like it a lot less. I feel like all the best things about it are not only on Paradise Lost, but done better on that album.
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Any news on if/when they'll be heading back to the studio for another album?
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Any news on if/when they'll be heading back to the studio for another album?
Probably in 5 years or so.
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Any news on if/when they'll be heading back to the studio for another album?
Probably in 5 years or so.
So about the same time frame as when you figure out your mystery song.
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Any news on if/when they'll be heading back to the studio for another album?
Probably in 5 years or so.
So about the same time frame as when you figure out your mystery song.
Yeah... :(
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Mr. Lepond told me they're aiming for 2014.
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Would love to see new material from Symphony X; but still think that they are long overdue for a live cd/dvd.
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Last I heard was that Jason Rullo was taken to the hospital for some kind of heart problem and I don't think he could play for several month after that. 2014 sounds like a reasonable aim.
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2014, that's very soon! I hope it's true, because otherwise I'm not expecting another album before 2016. Would be great to see them pick up the pace again.
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I believe Rullo has recovered? I thought he was playing shows now but I could be wrong. D:
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Just received TDWOT in the mail :metal
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Just received TDWOT in the mail :metal
Open a bottle of wine, put your feet up and enjoy... :metal
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Absinthe goes better with their music.
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HA I GET IT
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Absinthe goes better with their music.
Nah, getting too drunk on absinthe always gives me this feeling of rue on the next day.
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Absinthe goes better with their music.
Nah, getting too drunk on absinthe always gives me this feeling of rue on the next day.
lolnuggetz.
Seriously, though, I have drunk absinthe while listening to Symphony X, and it is an amazing combination! :metal
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Absinthe makettth the heart grow fonder. :facepalm:
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If they're going to make more albums like Iconoclast I don't think I'm interested. If they bring back the more melodic/neoclassical style of their earlier material, I'll be all over it.
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Totally agree kirk, less chugga-chugga and more "When All is Lost" and we're back in business.
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I agree, although I love Paradise Lost. Iconoclast is like PL 2 only with lame songwriting, boring riffs, non-existent vocal melodies, exceptionally bad vocals for Symphony X standards (they're not bad, but Russ can do so much better), no emotion at all, no variety (except for WAIL) andRomeo being even more dominant in the mix :-\
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The thing that really bums me out is the first few albums have absolutely putrid guitar tone, but the songwriting and especially the vocals are awesome. Starting with, to some extent, "The Odyssey" and then moving on to "Paradise Lost" and especially "Iconoclast" they improved the overall sound/tone of the guitar in a big way, but the vocals sound like someone gargling with sand and glass and the songs (especially the riffs) sound like stuff that tons of generic metal bands are doing. I mean, don't get me wrong - Romeo is a monster player. And SOME of the riffs are killer, but it's all chug, all the time and after about three or four tracks it just starts to sound like one big long song all mashed together.
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If they're going to make more albums like Iconoclast I don't think I'm interested. If they bring back the more melodic/neoclassical style of their earlier material, I'll be all over it.
100% agreed.
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I really respect the band and their decision to go in the more metal direction, but it's unfortunately not my cup of tea. So if they returned to their neoclassical style, I'd be much more ecstatic about the upcoming material.
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Being a newer fan of SymX, i actually like the last two albums better, with the "more metal direction". I do like the older stuff, but Paradise Lost and Iconoclast are, overall, my two favorite albums by the band.
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Even more important than the style is the production. Iconoclast was overcompressed to 11, I think many fans would appreciate it more if the aggression had some real "kick" behind it (and the vocals were less monotonous).
It's laughable when a band pushes for a lot of aggression but negates it by compressing the dynamic "energy" out of the album. Stylistic diversion is usually a good thing IMO (even though I still prefer New Mythology Suite over any album they made afterwards).
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Accolade II > The Accolade
at least atm.
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I really respect the band and their decision to go in the more metal direction, but it's unfortunately not my cup of tea. So if they returned to their neoclassical style, I'd be much more ecstatic about the upcoming material.
This. I'm into Symphony X for the ultra cheesy combination of classical music and metal, as showcased on TDWOT and V. The Odyssey still had some good stuff, but they kind of lost me after that.
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After a couple of days of listening to TDWOT, my rankings of the albums I have look like this:
1. The Odyssey
2. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
3. Paradise Lost
4. V
5. Iconoclast
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Really well ranked, sir. :tup
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Now get Damnation Game
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I think I'll get Twilight In Olympus before that
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Twilight is great as well....very underrated.
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I think I'll get Twilight In Olympus before that
that would be my recommendation
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Twilight is great as well....very underrated.
I second that. One of their better albums.
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The thing I really like about Twilight is...
Um...
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Lady of the Snow. Nuff said.
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I think I'll get Twilight In Olympus before that
that would be my recommendation
:iagree:
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Twilight is so underrated. I think it's the best of their pre-V albums.
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Listebing to V right now. Why the hell are Absence Of Light and A Fool's Paradise called filler by so many people?!? Especially AFP is great :metal
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A Fool's Paradise is probably my third favourite SX song overall, so I definetely share the sentiment.
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Hmm, never heard anyone calling "A Fool's Paradise" filler. It' one of my favourite cheesy songs of all time :metal
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After a couple of days of listening to TDWOT, my rankings of the albums I have look like this:
1. The Odyssey
2. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
3. Paradise Lost
4. V
5. Iconoclast
My ranking is:
1. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
2. V
3. The Odyssey
(don't care much for the other albums)
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Is it possible to make a cheesier prog metal album than TDWOT? :D
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Is it possible to make a cheesier prog metal album than TDWOT? :D
Did you pick up Twilight in Olympus yet?
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Through the Looking Glass is such an epic song. The live album version (which is f´in awesome as well) is even better then the studio one....
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Is it possible to make a cheesier prog metal album than TDWOT? :D
Did you pick up Twilight in Olympus yet?
:lol
Unfortunately I didn't. I don't have as much money as I wish I had.
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A Fool's Paradise is probably my third favourite SX song overall, so I definetely share the sentiment.
A Fool's Paradise is my favorite song of SX. Makes me wonder why they didn't play it live more.
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I'm thinking about getting live on the edge of forever, is it good enough to buy?
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Paradise Lost is a pretty fantastic album :2metal:
And (in my opinion) so much better than Iconoclast it's not even funny.
Seven and The Sacrifice didn't really click with me until about two weeks ago, but now they are without a doubt amongst my favourite tracks on the album (along with Revelation, Eve Of Seduction and the title track). Seven's chorus is unbelievably awesome, and The Sacrifice is so damn beautiful :'(
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I'm thinking about getting live on the edge of forever, is it good enough to buy?
If you can find it used, yeah. Great performances, but lacking variety. I love V, but half the album is played. They should have put some more older songs in their place.
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I'm thinking about getting live on the edge of forever, is it good enough to buy?
If you can find it used, yeah. Great performances, but lacking variety. I love V, but half the album is played. They should have put some more older songs in their place.
Haha, it having mostly V songs and TDWOT is why I'm considering buying.
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Paradise Lost is a pretty fantastic album :2metal:
And (in my opinion) so much better than Iconoclast it's not even funny.
Seven and The Sacrifice didn't really click with me until about two weeks ago, but now they are without a doubt amongst my favourite tracks on the album (along with Revelation, Eve Of Seduction and the title track). Seven's chorus is unbelievably awesome, and The Sacrifice is so damn beautiful :'(
I agree, and Seven is my favorite track. It doesn't seem to get as much notoriety as it should.
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If dictionaries could feature sound, then Seven would be playing to illustrate the term "badass".
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I'm thinking about getting live on the edge of forever, is it good enough to buy?
Get it. It's worth the cost for the athmosphere and the audiance participation alone. Especially the longer songs are all better performed then the studio versions, imo. The climax in Divine Wings Of Tragedy is goosebumps inducing.....
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After one listen to TIO I'm not really into it. I'm pretty sure that will change with more listens, but when it comes to pre-V albums, my first impression of TDWOT was a lot more positive. I think some of the melodies and song structures on TIO sounded a bit forced.
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I'm thinking about getting live on the edge of forever, is it good enough to buy?
Get it. It's worth the cost for the athmosphere and the audiance participation alone. Especially the longer songs are all better performed then the studio versions, imo. The climax in Divine Wings Of Tragedy is goosebumps inducing.....
I'm going to have to pull that one off the shelf. I bought it a long time ago on a road trip, blasted it in the car on the way home, and don't remember ever playing it again. No real reason why--just never thought of it again. I'm going to have to dust it off.
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Live On The Edge of Forever is pretty great.
I also checked out Iconoclast, its a good record and feels like symphony x.
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the Live On The Edge Of Forever version of The Divine Wings Of Tragedy is > the original :metal
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I've never heard Live on the Edge of Forever, don't know why I haven't checked it out. Something I'll have to remedy.
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I looked for that CD for years and one day I finally stumbled upon it at Zia Records. After I bought it I've seen like 3 more copies there. Same thing happened when I finally found Iced Earth's Dark Genesis on ebay. Shortly after it was at Zia.
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I looked for that CD for years and one day I finally stumbled upon it at Zia Records. After I bought it I've seen like 3 more copies there. Same thing happened when I finally found Iced Earth's Dark Genesis on ebay. Shortly after it was at Zia.
You enjoy it?
My favs are Of Sins and Shadows, and Smoke and Mirrors, plus TDWOT.
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It sounds fine, but I prefer the studio versions.
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cuz ive been listening to them a lot lately, and ranking is what we do here:
TDWOT
Odyssey/V
PL
TIO
TDG
ICONOCLAST
don't really count the first album cause Russell Allen is too crucial to SX
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New ranking including TIO:
1. The Odyssey
2. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
3. Paradise Lost
4. Twilight In Olympus
5. V
6. Iconoclast
Twilight really grew on me, and if it continues to do so (still waiting for TTLG to click), it might eventually replace PL as my #3 :metal
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Why rank V so low :'(
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Haven't listened to this band in a long time, but this is how I would rank their stuff.
1. Paradise Lost
2. Divine Wings of Tragedy
3. Twilight in Olympus
4. The Odyssey
5. The Damnation Game
6. Iconoclast
7. V
8. Symphony X
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Why rank V so low :'(
Too much filler for my taste.
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1: V
2: The Odyssey
3: Paradise Lost
4: Twilight
5: Divine Wings
6: Damnation Game
7: Iconoclast
8: Symphony X
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1.V
2.Divine Wings
3.The Odyssey
4.Paradise Lost
5.Twilight
6.Damnation Game
7.Iconoclast
8.Symphony X
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Listening to 'Egypt' now. I think V is and always will be their ultimate masterpiece.
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TIO is my number three now. It's just so much fun to listen and sing along to :metal
I've also thought about my favourite songs by them, I guess this would be my top 5 (atm):
1. Candlelight Fantasia
2. Accolade II
3. Revelation
4. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
5. Evolution (The Grand Design)
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Great band!, here is how i'd rank their albums.
1: V
2: Paradise Lost
3: Iconoclast
4: The Odyssey
5: Damnation Game
6: Divine Wings
7: Symphony X
8: Twilight
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Iconoclast third and TDWOT and TIO in the bottom three? Interesting.
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Great band!, here is how i'd rank their albums.
1: V
2: Paradise Lost
3: Iconoclast
4: The Odyssey
5: Damnation Game
6: Divine Wings
7: Symphony X
8: Twilight
Credibility lost. TIO<s/t?? Have you even heard s/t?
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Iconoclast third and TDWOT and TIO in the bottom three? Interesting.
Great band!, here is how i'd rank their albums.
1: V
2: Paradise Lost
3: Iconoclast
4: The Odyssey
5: Damnation Game
6: Divine Wings
7: Symphony X
8: Twilight
Credibility lost. TIO<s/t?? Have you even heard s/t?
Opinions are opinions of course.
V is clearly the standout album of their discography. Great songwriting and concept, just a joy to listen to. But i really love PL and Iconoclast for whole bunch of reasons. PL is a really well done, compact album. Iconoclast imo was a great development on the idea Paradise Lost. Both albums showcase a band that can move forward, and not just rehash old ideas. Odyssey is also good, but it feels too centered around the title track and rest of the songs are not given full attention.
Of the Pre-V era SX albums, Damnation Game is easily the standout. I view it as their Images And Words. The S/T on the other hand is pretty horrible. Divine Wings to me feels like a rehash of Damnation Game. And why i dislike Twilight so much? On that album IMO they throw everything that was great about the previous two out the window, and take the cliched ideas of those albums and make a record around them. The V was a true return to form for them IMO.
These are just my opinions, feel free to disagree!
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Opinions are opinions of course.
Absolutely, and everyone is entitled to their own - even when they are clearly wrong! :lol. I got no problem with PL or Iconoclast being so high... others here on the forum love the heavier side of SX more than their proggy side. However, I've never, EVER, seen anyone rank the S/T above ANY album, let alone Twilight. Some around these here parts would even put Twilight at #1, and I've never seen the S/T anywhere but the bottom... usually by a long margin.
If you say that Damnation Game is their Images & Words, then are you saying that I&W is the 5th best DT album? Or are you simply drawing the comparison of them both being album #2, and introducing a new singer?
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Since we're drawing comparisons to DT albums, I'd say that ST is their counterpart to WDADU. TDWOT is like IAW. Damnation Game is some middle step that DT didn't take, they jumped straight to their defining album. Damnation Game has the mature Symphony X sound but lacks the songwriting quality of TDWOG, TIO and V.
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Iconoclast is their BC&SL. Both bands tried too hard to make a metuhl album and failed horribly, sacrificing original songwriting and great melodies. The predecessors of both albums are in a kind of similar style to BC&SL and IC, but are great albums. Both BC&SL and IC contain one song I consider to be amazing (TCOT and Iconoclast), but the rest is mostly forgettable, apart from ANTR and WAIL, which are really good but suffer from serious flaws.
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Nah, neither of those albums were a horrible failure by any stretch of the imagination, but I will rank Iconoclast higher than BC&SL. IC is easily a top 5 SX album. BC&SL is easily NOT a top 5 DT album though.
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So, I don't get it, what's going with Symphony X? Are they gonna make another album and tour?? Hopefully a better album than Iconoclast :-\ but Symphony X is one of my few favorite bands ever so I really hope something is gonna happen soon.
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"Iconoclast," when judged on its own and not compared to other Symphony X albums, is actually a pretty kickass (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/edhorns.gif) metuhl (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/edhorns.gif) album.
But I have a difficult time comparing it to a masterpiece like "V"
I mean, you really don't need to look any further than the lyrics to know that you're dealing with a Filet Mignon and Lobster Tail dinner to a peanut butter sandwich.
Compare this:
Born from the light - journey into the
moment, delivered from thought and sky
He will be one, one with the land -
Lord of wind and the sea and the sands
The one - The bringer of life
To this:
Come on, hit the switch - You son of a bitch
I'm devoured, broke in two
You take control and resurrect my soul
Becoming something new...
I get why people like their modern sound, though. :)
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So, I don't get it, what's going with Symphony X? Are they gonna make another album and tour?? Hopefully a better album than Iconoclast :-\ but Symphony X is one of my few favorite bands ever so I really hope something is gonna happen soon.
I hope so too. It seems like this band just goes their separate ways for years on end. I'm hoping for another album and live album, but I'm not holding my breath for anytime soon. When you do get something from SX, you almost appreciate it more because it seems so rare.
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Compare this:
Born from the light - journey into the
moment, delivered from thought and sky
He will be one, one with the land -
Lord of wind and the sea and the sands
The one - The bringer of life
To this:
Come on, hit the switch - You son of a bitch
I'm devoured, broke in two
You take control and resurrect my soul
Becoming something new...
I get why people like their modern sound, though. :)
Yeah, hopefully Allen's getting all that shit out of his system with AMOB.
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s/t haters amuse me.
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The Raging Season is an awesome track. Come at me.
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I'll come at you and give you a big kiss. That whole album stomps PL, Iconoclast, and the weaker half of The Odyssey.
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Calm down man,I only care for that one track. :lol
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I'll come at you and give you a big kiss. That whole album stomps PL, Iconoclast, and the weaker half of The Odyssey.
There's a weaker half of The Odyssey?
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As far as I'm concerned, this is how it stands:
Good:
t/t
Awakenings
Nearly good:
Accolade II
Inferno
King of Terrors
Bad by SX standards though average-to-good if not held to SX standards:
Incantations of the Apprentice
The Turning
Wicked (MJR, just cuz you're technically superior to him, you still aren't allowed to rip off Dimebag.)
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weird, i've never once thought of pantera when listening to wicked
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I did within my first five seconds of hearing it the first time.
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Move "Accolade II" from nearly good to good and I agree.
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I was on the fence with that. Being the sequel to Accolade it was a true letdown for me so I guess expectations somewhat influenced my judgment.
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Move "Accolade II" from nearly good to second best SX song ever and I agree.
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I used to think Incantations wasn't that good, but then it just clicked one day. The whole album is perfect.
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Album ranking:
1. Twilight in Olympus
2. Iconoclast
3. V: The New Mythology Suite
4. Paradise Lost
5. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
6. Symphony X
7. The Odyssey
8. The Damnation Game
Top 10 songs:
1. Through the Looking Glass
2. The Odyssey
3. Iconoclast
4. Smoke and Mirrors
5. When All Is Lost
6. Of Sin and Shadows
7. Evolution (The Grand Design)
8. Sea of Lies
9. A Fool's Paradise
10. Lady of the Snow
Decided I'd add my admittedly conversial opinion.
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Album ranking:
1. Twilight in Olympus
2. Iconoclast
3. V: The New Mythology Suite
4. Paradise Lost
5. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
6. Symphony X
7. The Odyssey
8. The Damnation Game
Top 10 songs:
1. Through the Looking Glass
2. The Odyssey
3. Iconoclast
4. Smoke and Mirrors
5. When All Is Lost
6. Of Sin and Shadows
7. Evolution (The Grand Design)
8. Sea of Lies
9. A Fool's Paradise
10. Lady of the Snow
Decided I'd add my admittedly conversial opinion.
wat
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"Iconoclast," when judged on its own and not compared to other Symphony X albums, is actually a pretty kickass (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/edhorns.gif) metuhl (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/edhorns.gif) album.
But I have a difficult time comparing it to a masterpiece like "V"
Very well put. I tend to agree. I feel that way about the last two albums, actually. They are very samey, and feel like a definite step down from the two albums that preceeded them. But still not bad albums at all in their own right.
Regarding the discussion of Wicked, how could anyone hear that riffing and NOT think of Pantera? Like B/F, I did within my first five seconds of hearing it the first time.
I mean, it's not like they are ripping off a specific Dime riff. But the guitar tone and style are textbook Pantera.
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The Odyssy has a bunch of Pantera-inspired moments that I wouldn't really call rip offs. King Of Terrors at 3:50 for instance.
Haven't done SX rankings in a few years I feel (if ever).
1. Twilight in Olympus
2. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
3. V
4. The Odyssey
5. The Damnation Game
6. Paradise Lost
7. S/T - even though second to last, I seem to be one of the 3 people that actually really like that album and the vocalist in it.Rapture or Pain/A Lesson Before Dying are brilliant. Feel like if it had better production it may as well take the 5th spot.
8. Iconoclast
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Again, maybe because i'm a "newer" fan, I am surprised at how low a lot of people have been ranking the last two albums. Personally, i think they're better than the prior albums.
But, as we've all said, we're all entitled to our own opinions, no matter how wrong they truly are. :biggrin:
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The two Accolade songs are probably the only two by SX that I really listen to anymore. Still beautiful.
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Hmm, I haven't done this in a long time...
1: V
2: The Odyssey
3: Divine Wings
4: Twilight
5: Damnation Game
6: Paradise Lost
7: Iconoclast
8: Symphony X
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1. The Odyssey
2. V: The New Mythology Suite
3. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
4. Paradise Lost
5. Twilight in Olympus
6. Iconoclast
7. The Damnation Game
8. Symphony X
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1: V
2: Odyssey
3: Paradise Lost
4: Twilight
5: Divine Wings
6: Damnation
7: Iconoclast
8: Symphony X
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From hearing every song, but only really knowing half to most of them-
1- V:New Mythology and Odyssey
2- SX, Damnation Game, Twilight in Olympus, Divine Wings, Paradise Lost (These will probably spread out over time)
3-Iconoclast
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I'm a big Symphony X fan -- they were one of the first bands I got into after I first started listening to DT (I was late in the game).
My biggest issues --
1) Russell Allen's voice -- I think he has a fantastic voice that can do so much, but it seems like he just focuses on the gravely-rock/metal sound. I assume he is still capable of singing like some of the earlier Symphony X albums, but it does seem like they have gone away from some of that.
2) Likely related to # 1 -- it bothers me a little that it seems like the band is so set on being considered "Metal." I'm not thinking every album should be like "The Odyssey" (I have not mellowed out in my "old" age), but I feel like they let that label drive how they write. Maybe it's just what they prefer.
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I'm a big Symphony X fan -- they were one of the first bands I got into after I first started listening to DT (I was late in the game).
My biggest issues --
1) Russell Allen's voice -- I think he has a fantastic voice that can do so much, but it seems like he just focuses on the gravely-rock/metal sound. I assume he is still capable of singing like some of the earlier Symphony X albums, but it does seem like they have gone away from some of that.
2) Likely related to # 1 -- it bothers me a little that it seems like the band is so set on being considered "Metal." I'm not thinking every album should be like "The Odyssey" (I have not mellowed out in my "old" age), but I feel like they let that label drive how they write. Maybe it's just what they prefer.
I agree completely with both of these. I feel like Symphony X could be a much, much better band than they are by easing up on their power metal side and emphasizing their awesome proggy side. I suppose then they'd be a different band, and this is the style they choose, but I always think to myself, "What are King of Terrors and Wicked doing on an album with Accolade II and The Odyssey?" And Allen has an incredible voice, as evidenced by the really nice operatic bits you hear in some songs, especially on Divine Wings, but it isn't used to its full potential.
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I'm a big Symphony X fan -- they were one of the first bands I got into after I first started listening to DT (I was late in the game).
My biggest issues --
1) Russell Allen's voice -- I think he has a fantastic voice that can do so much, but it seems like he just focuses on the gravely-rock/metal sound. I assume he is still capable of singing like some of the earlier Symphony X albums, but it does seem like they have gone away from some of that.
2) Likely related to # 1 -- it bothers me a little that it seems like the band is so set on being considered "Metal." I'm not thinking every album should be like "The Odyssey" (I have not mellowed out in my "old" age), but I feel like they let that label drive how they write. Maybe it's just what they prefer.
+1
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I agree completely with both of these. I feel like Symphony X could be a much, much better band than they are by easing up on their power metal side and emphasizing their awesome proggy side. I suppose then they'd be a different band, and this is the style they choose, but I always think to myself, "What are King of Terrors and Wicked doing on an album with Accolade II and The Odyssey?" And Allen has an incredible voice, as evidenced by the really nice operatic bits you hear in some songs, especially on Divine Wings, but it isn't used to its full potential.
I remember when I first heard him and thought he was just an amazing singer. I preferred his voice over say JLB (generally speaking...particularly JLB with DT...he just sounds different -- better? -- on his solo albums or as a guest). Accolade II and The Odyssey, as well as something like the Paradise Lost song, he just sounds amazing. He gives some glimpses in Iconoclast, but not showcasing what he can really do.
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I'm a big Symphony X fan -- they were one of the first bands I got into after I first started listening to DT (I was late in the game).
My biggest issues --
1) Russell Allen's voice -- I think he has a fantastic voice that can do so much, but it seems like he just focuses on the gravely-rock/metal sound. I assume he is still capable of singing like some of the earlier Symphony X albums, but it does seem like they have gone away from some of that.
2) Likely related to # 1 -- it bothers me a little that it seems like the band is so set on being considered "Metal." I'm not thinking every album should be like "The Odyssey" (I have not mellowed out in my "old" age), but I feel like they let that label drive how they write. Maybe it's just what they prefer.
I agree completely with both of these. I feel like Symphony X could be a much, much better band than they are by easing up on their power metal side and emphasizing their awesome proggy side. I suppose then they'd be a different band, and this is the style they choose, but I always think to myself, "What are King of Terrors and Wicked doing on an album with Accolade II and The Odyssey?" And Allen has an incredible voice, as evidenced by the really nice operatic bits you hear in some songs, especially on Divine Wings, but it isn't used to its full potential.
It's called variety. All those songs are awesome.
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I always thought Accolade 2 was a pretty bland song. Especially compared to the first. These days when I want to hear Allen sing in a more balanced manner I just put up Star One and enjoy the show.
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I am sooooooo with you on the original Accolade being better than the second one.
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I just wanted to note that I like the heavier stuff as well, just missed some of the other elements in recent releases.
I like both Accolades...maybe need to listen to them back-to-back.
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I think the second Accolade slays the first one. I wish they would've done at least one more album like The Odyssey.
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My Ranking~~~
1. Paradise Lost
2. V
3. Iconoclast
4. The Odyssey
5. Divine Wings of Tragedy
I havent really bothered much with Twilight in Olympus, Damnation Game, or the debut. But I'll get around to finishing them eventually.
Before anyone hates on me ranking Odyssey and DWOT on the bottom slots, I really love those two albums, and frankly consider them to be Symphony X's "magnum opus" records. However, they do both suffer from having alot of filler on them that drags the albums down from being completely epic. Iconoclast, in my opinion, only has 1 pointless filler song. And its a bonus track on the deluxe edition.
Paradise Lost and V are fucking gems.
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I think the second Accolade slays the first one. I wish they would've done at least one more album like The Odyssey.
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I'm a big Symphony X fan -- they were one of the first bands I got into after I first started listening to DT (I was late in the game).
My biggest issues --
1) Russell Allen's voice -- I think he has a fantastic voice that can do so much, but it seems like he just focuses on the gravely-rock/metal sound. I assume he is still capable of singing like some of the earlier Symphony X albums, but it does seem like they have gone away from some of that.
2) Likely related to # 1 -- it bothers me a little that it seems like the band is so set on being considered "Metal." I'm not thinking every album should be like "The Odyssey" (I have not mellowed out in my "old" age), but I feel like they let that label drive how they write. Maybe it's just what they prefer.
I agree completely with both of these. I feel like Symphony X could be a much, much better band than they are by easing up on their power metal side and emphasizing their awesome proggy side. I suppose then they'd be a different band, and this is the style they choose, but I always think to myself, "What are King of Terrors and Wicked doing on an album with Accolade II and The Odyssey?" And Allen has an incredible voice, as evidenced by the really nice operatic bits you hear in some songs, especially on Divine Wings, but it isn't used to its full potential.
It's called variety. All those songs are awesome.
I agree with Zook. MonagFam makes a great point in general, and one that I agree with. But my problem (and I get the sense this is true of a lot of SyX fans) with the last few albums isn't that SyX shouldn't be doing metal. It's more the fact that the variety is missing on these two albums, and variety (as well as creativity in that variety) is one of the things I loved most and miss most about this band.
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I agree with Zook. MonagFam makes a great point in general, and one that I agree with. But my problem (and I get the sense this is true of a lot of SyX fans) with the last few albums isn't that SyX shouldn't be doing metal. It's more the fact that the variety is missing on these two albums, and variety (as well as creativity in that variety) is one of the things I loved most and miss most about this band.
Yep. If they would take the attitude of Paradise Lost and mix it with the prog and diversity found in something like Twilight in Olympus, I think you'd have a perfect album. Odyssey was close to this, but not quite.
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I agree with Zook. MonagFam makes a great point in general, and one that I agree with. But my problem (and I get the sense this is true of a lot of SyX fans) with the last few albums isn't that SyX shouldn't be doing metal. It's more the fact that the variety is missing on these two albums, and variety (as well as creativity in that variety) is one of the things I loved most and miss most about this band.
Yep. If they would take the attitude of Paradise Lost and mix it with the prog and diversity found in something like Twilight in Olympus, I think you'd have a perfect album. Odyssey was close to this, but not quite.
I agree. I like their "metal" stuff a lot, just miss the diversity.
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I was going to say diversity at first, but wasn't sure it was the right wording. Sometimes I'm foreign, you see.
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Speaking of The Odyssey, this is a pretty cool cover by a group of high school students: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL0jgcx1zPQ
Not perfect, but I really admire their ability to arrange and play it in the first place, and some of the things they did with it are REALLY cool. ...although the conductor wearing a Def Leppard shirt did seem a bit out of place. :lol
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Speaking of The Odyssey, this is a pretty cool cover by a group of high school students: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL0jgcx1zPQ
Not perfect, but I really admire their ability to arrange and play it in the first place, and some of the things they did with it are REALLY cool. ...although the conductor wearing a Def Leppard shirt did seem a bit out of place. :lol
This is amazing! :o
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Hey guys, if you're out there somewhere, we're gonna be needing a new album any freaking year now. :lol
But yeah, seriously. Anybody know what's going on in the new album dept? I don't see any news whatsoever.
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Nope. In true SX fashion the news is scarce and since Russell is stuck in the world of MoFo Psychosane Metal I don't know when we will expect something. :-\
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I think it was 5 years between Odyssey and PL, and then 4 more between PL and Iconoclast. Might be a while yet.
Plus, has Jason Rullo recovered yet? I can't remember hearing anything else about that.
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Their next album will be called Romeo's Democracy and it will consist entirely of Guns 'n Roses covers.
Does anyone know what's going on with Thomas Walling? His drumming on Twilight was one of the strong parts of the album for me.
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You should never hold your breath for any SX updates, in any capacity.
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Well, here's how I see it. If they keep putting out killer albums, I'll wait another year or two. Just sayin' it's time to start thinking about the next release. We want more metal !!!
:2metal:
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If they keep putting out killer albums...
Well, yes, but the problem is, this thread is about Symphony X.
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I'm a big Symphony X fan -- they were one of the first bands I got into after I first started listening to DT (I was late in the game).
My biggest issues --
1) Russell Allen's voice -- I think he has a fantastic voice that can do so much, but it seems like he just focuses on the gravely-rock/metal sound. I assume he is still capable of singing like some of the earlier Symphony X albums, but it does seem like they have gone away from some of that.
2) Likely related to # 1 -- it bothers me a little that it seems like the band is so set on being considered "Metal." I'm not thinking every album should be like "The Odyssey" (I have not mellowed out in my "old" age), but I feel like they let that label drive how they write. Maybe it's just what they prefer.
I agree completely with both of these. I feel like Symphony X could be a much, much better band than they are by easing up on their power metal side and emphasizing their awesome proggy side. I suppose then they'd be a different band, and this is the style they choose, but I always think to myself, "What are King of Terrors and Wicked doing on an album with Accolade II and The Odyssey?" And Allen has an incredible voice, as evidenced by the really nice operatic bits you hear in some songs, especially on Divine Wings, but it isn't used to its full potential.
I'm all for variety, and would be fine with him taking that approach, even if it were as much as 50% of his vocals, but when it's all grunting all the time it gets monotonous pretty quickly. That's why the last couple of albums haven't really done much for me. It was the combination of neo-classical riffing and song structures blended with elements of prog and metal, with a splash of bombast and all kinds of cool orchestration. All of that stuff made them stand out in a crowded genre. Now they're just kind of blending in with the metal crowd. That's not a bad thing in and of itself, per se, I certainly enjoys me some metul (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/edhorns.gif) But there are approximately 476 metric shit-tons of bands doing the "chugga-lugga" thing with some angry, harsh-voiced, angst-filled, tough guy front man.
What they did before made them active participants in the creation and development of an entire genre of music, and they had a fairly recognizable sound and style. Now most of their stuff sounds like I accidentally pushed the "generic FM rock radio" button on my car stereo.
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If they keep putting out killer albums...
Well, yes, but the problem is, this thread is about Symphony X.
(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/7736794.jpg)
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If they keep putting out killer albums...
Well, yes, but the problem is, this thread is about Symphony X.
(https://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss308/Zulan8r/boss-fight_zps7c60cf63.jpg) (https://s586.photobucket.com/user/Zulan8r/media/boss-fight_zps7c60cf63.jpg.html)
:neverusethis:
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That's why the last couple of albums haven't really done much for me. It was the combination of neo-classical riffing and song structures blended with elements of prog and metal, with a splash of bombast and all kinds of cool orchestration. All of that stuff made them stand out in a crowded genre. Now they're just kind of blending in with the metal crowd.
I agree with this so much that it hurts.
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Now most of their stuff sounds like I accidentally pushed the "generic FM rock radio" button on my car stereo. [/font]
I'd like to have the music Symphony X is making now on my FM rock radio station, it's galaxies ahead of the Nickelback and Sevendust knock offs that make up modern rock.
Sometimes I wonder how much modern straight up rock and metal people here listen to. Trust me, SX doesn't sound a lick like it.
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Nope. In true SX fashion the news is scarce and since Russell is stuck in the world of MoFo Psychosane Metal I don't know when we will expect something. :-\
Russell Allen is also supposed to be doing a project with Joel Hoekstra, Tony Franklin, and Vinny Appice.
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I suddenly feel the urge to ravage the Babylon Whore.
"My dominatIOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNN! Yeah-EEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" :2metal:
Okay, sorry. Carry on.
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I gotta say, Symphony X being really heavy makes great for their rare live show... but it also makes their albums really boring.
I remember buying Paradise Lost, and being like, "Eh, this is OK'", and then seeing the show thinking "OMG BEST BAND WAAAAY BETTER THAN WHAT DT ARE DOING RIGHT NOW", only to find the studio album still really boring and samey.
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Heavy music comes off incredible in a live setting, I've noticed.
For pretty much any band.
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Heavy music comes off incredible in a live setting, I've noticed.
For pretty much any band.
You can't capture that energy, it has to be felt in order for you to experience the true energy of the song.
Hence why sometimes I wonder why I haven't found a live vid of A Fools Paradise. That song is awesome.
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I've always thought V and The Odyssey were pretty damn heavy, at least in parts. Mostly because Russell was a nice counterpart to the heavy riffing etc. with his non-harsh singing. Which wasn't even cheesy. Well.. most of my friends would call it cheesy but I think SyX's style with Russell's clean vocals are as 'cool' as you are going to get within the genre.
By the way, just skipped through the AM album. I'm so worried that Russell is blowing his beautiful voice with all this harsh shit. It doesn't sound healthy to my ears. Even Akerfeldt's growls sound more healthy.
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By the way, just skipped through the AM album. I'm so worried that Russell is blowing his beautiful voice with all this harsh shit. It doesn't sound healthy to my ears. Even Akerfeldt's growls sound more healthy.
you and me both. I remember thinking that as I was listening to Paradise Lost the very first time.
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By the way, just skipped through the AM album. I'm so worried that Russell is blowing his beautiful voice with all this harsh shit. It doesn't sound healthy to my ears. Even Akerfeldt's growls sound more healthy.
you and me both. I remember thinking that as I was listening to Paradise Lost the very first time.
Guess we'll find out with the upcoming Allen/Lande.
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By the way, just skipped through the AM album. I'm so worried that Russell is blowing his beautiful voice with all this harsh shit. It doesn't sound healthy to my ears. Even Akerfeldt's growls sound more healthy.
you and me both. I remember thinking that as I was listening to Paradise Lost the very first time.
Guess we'll find out with the upcoming Allen/Lande.
Speaking of the Allen/Lande project, about two years ago I was invited to substitute for a friend that played percussion in the Swedish production of Spamalot. He had to stand out a couple of shows so he called me if I could substitute for him which of course I happily did. I think I played about 4-5 shows and had a blast. The drummer in the band was named Jaime and we talked a bit but never over the fact that he actually was the drummer for the Allen/Lande project. I found that out several month later.... :facepalm:
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Hey, check out SX's facebook. Romeo has done 3 pretty awesome orchestral pieces for Hans Zimmer competition! I definitely recommend to check them out!! And remember to vote them! :)
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I gotta say, Symphony X being really heavy makes great for their rare live show... but it also makes their albums really boring.
I remember buying Paradise Lost, and being like, "Eh, this is OK'", and then seeing the show thinking "OMG BEST BAND WAAAAY BETTER THAN WHAT DT ARE DOING RIGHT NOW", only to find the studio album still really boring and samey.
man, them are some extreme polar opposite reactions. I mean, I could see a slight change in amount of enjoyment, but...
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Guess we'll find out with the upcoming Allen/Lande.
Um..... beg pardon? New A/L album in the works? Damn, i must be really out of the loop. I had no idea. I love them together.
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By the way, just skipped through the AM album. I'm so worried that Russell is blowing his beautiful voice with all this harsh shit. It doesn't sound healthy to my ears. Even Akerfeldt's growls sound more healthy.
you and me both. I remember thinking that as I was listening to Paradise Lost the very first time.
Guess we'll find out with the upcoming Allen/Lande.
Speaking of the Allen/Lande project, about two years ago I was invited to substitute for a friend that played percussion in the Swedish production of Spamalot. He had to stand out a couple of shows so he called me if I could substitute for him which of course I happily did. I think I played about 4-5 shows and had a blast. The drummer in the band was named Jaime and we talked a bit but never over the fact that he actually was the drummer for the Allen/Lande project. I found that out several month later.... :facepalm:
Wow Jaime Salazar, he's awesome.
Guess we'll find out with the upcoming Allen/Lande.
Um..... beg pardon? New A/L album in the works? Damn, i must be really out of the loop. I had no idea. I love them together.
Yeah, but don't get your hopes up, Karlsson isn't the man behind it this time. Timo Tolkki is in charge. :facepalm:
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I read on their Facebook they're in the process of making a new album.
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They're at least 30-40% as bad as Tool is with horseshit updates. Don't hold your breath.
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I'm not sure if it holds any water, but I've heard reports about a North American tour in 2015. One can hope that is in support of a new album.
I for one just hope that it is true. Wish it was in 2014 though.
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When an album title, artwork and tracklist gets posted by the band, then I will get excited. Until then, it's just talk.
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When an album title, artwork and tracklist gets posted by the band, then I will get excited. Until then, it's just talk.
Pretty much this.
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When an album title, artwork and tracklist gets posted by the band, then I will get excited. Until then, it's just talk.
agreed; plus a release date
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Considering I didn't like Iconoclast at all, I'm afraid I won't be too excited about a new SX album :-\
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Here´s me and Russell Allen on a workshop in Rio last weekend. The guy on the right is a hell of a singer as well, and his bands Shaaman and Noturnall are worth a listen!
(https://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k210/RodrigoAltaf/russel2_zps482c83f2.jpg)
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If he'd stop restoring every car Rick Harrison sends his way, we'd have had a new SX album two years ago.
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If he'd stop restoring every car Rick Harrison sends his way, we'd have had a new SX album two years ago.
(https://cdn.niketalk.com/7/72/72a1ba4b_8509391910_3d9dbd45fc_o.jpeg)
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If there is any truth to that, it's anything but cool. No experts required.
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If he'd stop restoring every car Rick Harrison sends his way, we'd have had a new SX album two years ago.
(https://cdn.niketalk.com/7/72/72a1ba4b_8509391910_3d9dbd45fc_o.jpeg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtpjGGidWE4
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LOL b_f :lol I could only listen to that for 15 seconds, much less 15 mins. :rollin
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The comment about the random whimsical background music making it funnier is so true too.
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That video is Gold Jerry, gold!
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I compiled all of the classical pieces SX has used in one video !
Check it out here => Classical pieces in Symphony X Songs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Ncj74wJ28)
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I compiled all of the classical pieces SX has used in one video !
Check it out here => Classical pieces in Symphony X Songs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Ncj74wJ28)
Great work dude! I didn't even know a few ones! :)
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That was interesting. :tup I did knew some of those but I actually assumed alot of the others were just SX drawing inspiration from diffrent composers. I didn't knew they were actually real compositions.
BTW PintoZ you are actually responsible for me discovering Haken. Your Visions music video is amazing!!
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:omg: I didn't know this! I knew there was a thing or two that was a quote, or at least probably a quote, but a lot of these I just thought were inspired by various classical works. This is amazing!!!
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BTW PintoZ you are actually responsible for me discovering Haken. You Visions music video is amazing!!
Wow cool ! And thanks !
Everyone should check out Haken ;)
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BTW PintoZ you are actually responsible for me discovering Haken. You Visions music video is amazing!!
Wow cool ! And thanks !
Everyone should check out Haken's Celestial Elixir and that's about it ;)
Fixed.
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14 July 2014
The new cd is coming right along; the songs are pretty much done and are getting some final tweaking now. Michael Romeo says that the material has a little bit of everything, and reports that the band will begin tracking drums next month after their appearance at Heavy Montreal on August 10th.
The band’s long-awaited second fan club cd will also begin taking shape around the same time, with an anticipated release in time for the holidays. As mentioned previously, it will be another collection of demo tunes and other rare material, and may also include a bit of content created just for this cd (along the lines of MJR’s Star Wars tune on the first Rarities and Demos, which has since sold out of its first pressing). SXW, the band’s revamped fan club, will be
relaunching in September.
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Something is actually happening in the Symphony X camp, this is good news!!
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Great! So how long are we gonna have to wait for the third Adrenaline Mob album now?!
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That wait is never long enough :lol
Great news!
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14 July 2014
The new cd is coming right along; the songs are pretty much done and are getting some final tweaking now. Michael Romeo says that the material has a little bit of everything, and reports that the band will begin tracking drums next month after their appearance at Heavy Montreal on August 10th.
The band’s long-awaited second fan club cd will also begin taking shape around the same time, with an anticipated release in time for the holidays. As mentioned previously, it will be another collection of demo tunes and other rare material, and may also include a bit of content created just for this cd (along the lines of MJR’s Star Wars tune on the first Rarities and Demos, which has since sold out of its first pressing). SXW, the band’s revamped fan club, will be
relaunching in September.
Yeah, saw this on FB yesterday. Awesome!
Great! So how long are we gonna have to wait for the third Adrenaline Mob album now?!
Hopefully forever. :lol :p
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Yay some actual life signs from the camp. SX09 2015-17!! :metal
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Shoot me, but I'm kinda ambiguous.
I always thought that the reason why they're not as popular as DT/other more mainstream prog bands is that they manage to put out one album within the usual length of the cycle everyone is actively exploring prog in - it takes you approx five years to rejoice at ~100 cool prog albums, mostly from upcoming bands, and one Symphony X album instead of the usual two some other bands would have. They don't make you think of them regularly, with no live releases/extensive tours to where a lot of their fanbase lives, either,
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They released Live on the Edge of Forever in 2001.
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Also known as the biggest tease in the history of live albums, with it being named after the best SX song and then not including it.
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That was some fuckin bullshit. Kinda like Through the Never but actually disappointing.
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They released Live on the Edge of Forever in 2001.
Yeah, 13 years ago.
All I'm saying is, I'm glad they're not churning out albums just because it's the thing to do, but there are bands who manage to keep the quality high and still publish albums, shoot live albums and DVDs, and do extensive tours consistently, so it's not like you have to sacrifice quality for quantity. And they're doing themselves a great disservice by not keeping people who buy new CDs interested in the long run. I bought Iconoclast and was ecstatic about it when it first came out, but now, I'm just likely to check this out over a stream and not think about it a lot afterwards.
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I'm always interested in SX as long as they produce good material. Even if it means waiting twice as long for a new release. If the next album is great, then it will have been worth the wait. :biggrin:
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Yeah, because there was no clear game plan after Iconoclast and no real idea of when we could expect the album, I haven't really been anticipating or even thinking about a new Symphony X album - it just seemed like it'd be such a distant / uncertain thing that there wouldn't be much point dwelling on it. It's hard to work up much excitement even hearing about work on the new album, even though it was a surprise (as I said, I basically put the idea of a new album out of my mind). It is great that they have ackowleged its existence though and I'm sure I'll be excited once some details / a release date come out, and it's a concrete thing.
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I just keep listening to all my SX albums and that's good enough to get me by until something new comes out. Of course I'm anxious for the next release but hey, not gonna get it until we get it. That's the nature of the beast.
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Yeah, but you're gonna be a fan for 10 years and get two albums on average, during that stretch. I'm just not so sure it's going to be commercially viable for them for much longer (which is why, I suppose, they have day jobs and side gigs - look at LePond and Allen).
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Symphony X has never been big enough to be commercially viable. Hell, their first three albums weren't available in the US except as imports until, I believe, the release of V-it might have even been Odyssey. They've probably always had to have day jobs to get by. I am not sure why they went from a yearly release schedule to every two years to "whenever it comes out", though it did coincide with Romeo taking over most of the songwriting if you want a tin foil hat theory. I do recall them saying the gap between Odyssey and Paradise Lost was caused by how they kept getting offered tours, but I don't recall any similar reason for the gap between Paradise Lost and Iconoclast.
What's been interesting is the band has been getting more and more exposure, and are on the "biggest" label they've been on yet with Nuclear Blast, the slower their release schedule becomes, with the band touring more and more for each album. Which is kind of backwards, actually. :rollin
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I got into 'em in 2000. A friend gave me TDWOT and TIO. TDWOT kicked me euphorically in the dick and TIO was kind of a grower despite Church of the Machine and Orion the Hunter being instantly awesome. Within a few months I had the s/t, TDG, and V. Overall, they alternated with DT as my fave band from 2000-04 until Opeff took over. I'm extremely happy with when I got into 'em since all of their best material had already been released and they were still on a timely enough release schedule that I had the false hopes of a new album every couple years. Since PL and IC both sucked imo I'm cool with their delays since eventually I either get an album which might be good or I can just forget it if it sucks.
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Ultimately, I am in about the same place. I got into them after getting The Odyssey. Loved it. Got V and loved it as well. The earlier releases didn't do much for me, but that's okay. And as the last couple of releases have come out, those were basically misses as well, despite having some decent material. When the new album comes out, I will check it out. I will probably enjoy it to an extent. I do not expect to be wowed by it, and I am fine with that.
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They released Live on the Edge of Forever in 2001.
What amazes me, is InsideOut LOVED, especially from 2005-2010 or so to put out live DVDs. Every band who was on that label and played a show seemed to put out a DVD. Yet, Symphony X, who are an amazing live act (or at least would fully be if they're live sound was ever anything but shit, in any case not an issue on a DVD) has never had a damned live DVD.
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I became a fan in 2006 so I didn't have to wait 20 years in between The Odyssey and Paradise Lost.
Unfortunately I was not so lucky the next time around.
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I became a fan in 2006 so I didn't have to wait 20 years in between The Odyssey and Paradise Lost.
Unfortunately I was not so lucky the next time around.
:tup
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I, uh... meant to do that.
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Yeah, but you're gonna be a fan for 10 years and get two albums on average, during that stretch. I'm just not so sure it's going to be commercially viable for them for much longer (which is why, I suppose, they have day jobs and side gigs - look at LePond and Allen).
I don't see it that way because I 've only been a fan since 2006. I've averaged 1 album per year. :lol Besides, I have many other musical interests. It's not like I'm sitting around just praying that SX will release another album soon.
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Fan since 1998. Bought a TiO cassette tape and got instantly hooked only to find out a friend of mine who was almost exclusively into death and black metal was a fan and had The Divine Wings of Tragedy. My face was pretty melted by Allen when I heard Eyes of Medusa xD
If they return to a sound similar to these albums I don't mind waiting another couple of years or so.
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Yeah, but you're gonna be a fan for 10 years and get two albums on average, during that stretch. I'm just not so sure it's going to be commercially viable for them for much longer (which is why, I suppose, they have day jobs and side gigs - look at LePond and Allen).
I don't see it that way because I 've only been a fan since 2006. I've averaged 1 album per year. :lol Besides, I have many other musical interests. It's not like I'm sitting around just praying that SX will release another album soon.
I give up :lol maybe I'm just the only one with interests fluctuating enough that, by the time a new SyX album comes out, I'm not into the style nor the band anymore.
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Here's one more "classical piece used by SX" that I forgot to include in my video !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZixdOZh7zo4
You should quickly recognize it ;)
Original Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M8Ncj74wJ28
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https://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/symphony-x-is-recording-a-new-record-right-this-very-second
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Apparently we do have an unlocked S-X thread!
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LePond said the album isn't as heavy as 2011's Iconoclast and seems more like a combination of 2002's The Odyssey and 2007's Paradise Lost
So the new album is (hopefully) going to sound like a combination of my two favourite albums of theirs. Okay, now I'm excited. :metal
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I hope this Symphony X shit doesn't fuck up any Mob plans...haha....hahahaha....hahaha... :tdwn
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I have a good feeling about this upcoming release!
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I don't really have any high expectations, but still I'm looking forward to hearing new SX.
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LePond said the album isn't as heavy as 2011's Iconoclast and seems more like a combination of 2002's The Odyssey and 2007's Paradise Lost
Just what I wanted to hear. :metal
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LePond said the album isn't as heavy as 2011's Iconoclast and seems more like a combination of 2002's The Odyssey and 2007's Paradise Lost
Just what I wanted to hear. :metal
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but...Paradise Lost sucks geriatric rat testicles.
I'll probably buy this, but I honestly can't say I'm overly excited.
In regards to the layoff, IIRC, one of the members was dealing with some serious medical issues between The Odyssey and Paradise Lost. They also did Gigantour. Doesn't explain the other post Odyssey breaks, but at least the members are involved in more projectss these days compared to 10 years ago.
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I'd rather have a combination of Divine Wings and V but I'll take whatever we get.
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Whoa, weird that we're actually hearing something about a new album. I liked Iconoclast pretty well, so I'll probably enjoy this.
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I'll probably buy this, but I honestly can't say I'm overly excited.
That about covers it for me.
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It may not be my favourite SX album but it's a great album. I think there are some really strong songs like Set the world on fire, the title track, Eve of destruction, Seven, The walls of Babylon, all great tracks imo. While Iconoclast have great production and some amazing playing moments by the band, tight as hell is just the first name, no songs really grab my attention like other albums. While the production on DWOT really lacks on some areas the songs and compositions is stellar mostly through the album.
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I'll probably buy this, but I honestly can't say I'm overly excited.
That about covers it for me.
And Bingo was his name.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-xs-new-album-will-really-please-the-bands-old-fans/
Regarding the musical direction of the new SYMPHONY X material, SYMPHONY X bassist Michael LePond told the "Talking Metal" podcast (hear audio below): "I think this album is not gonna be as heavy as our last one, 'Iconoclast'. If I had to compare this one, I would say it's a combination of [2002's] 'The Odyssey' meets [2007's] 'Paradise Lost'. It has a lot of classic SYMPHONY X elements in it, and I think our old fans are really gonna appreciate this one. So we're really excited about it. And hopefully we can get it all recorded by the end of the year and then hopefully get it released early spring."
According to LePond, "It wasn't a conscious decision to go back to the older sound; it just kind of happened. That's the way we write songs. We just start writing songs, and wherever it takes us, it takes us. But there's a lot of really cool, classic SYMPHONY X things in there. It's very, very musical. It concentrates just more on solid songs and great melodies."
The bassist also spoke about SYMPHONY X's continued success and seeming ability to gain new fans without compromising the musical ideals that form its core identity.
"One thing that's really amazing about SYMPHONY X and about our fans is, it seems like every record, we move up a little bit more, we get just a little bit more popular," he said. "We don't jump up into stardom; it's a slow climb. I mean, the band's been together just about 20 years now, and it just seems like with every album, our fan base grows just a little bit more, and we've been able to hold the old fans too. So, thankfully, we're still growing."
He continued: "It's always an amazing thing to see someone really young discovering SYMPHONY X. It just gives you the gas to keep going and just keep working hard."
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This release is sounding very positive
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Not as heavy as Iconoclast is fine with me. Gues they figured out they're not Pantera after all. :lol
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I recently listened to Iconoclast and it aged pretty well. Some songs I like more now, like Children of a Faceless God, which I didn't care for originally. Lords of Chaos still has a crummy chorus though. But yeah, this is great news. Something more in vein of The Odyssey with Russell being gritty but still belting out highs throughout would be fantastic. I love that album.
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I recently listened to Iconoclast and it aged pretty well.
Agreed.
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He's right about the fans. Every time I see a new festival announced SX seems to draw a decent billing, even if they aren't a very active regular touring band.
Probably easier to do fly in dates and get a nice paycheck too.
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"One thing that's really amazing about SYMPHONY X and about our fans is, it seems like every record, we move up a little bit more, we get just a little bit more popular," he said. "We don't jump up into stardom; it's a slow climb. I mean, the band's been together just about 20 years now, and it just seems like with every album, our fan base grows just a little bit more, and we've been able to hold the old fans too. So, thankfully, we're still growing."
I wish this would motivate them to be more active. Their popularity would probably grow even more if they didn't fall off the face of the earth for 2-3 years at a time.
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Back in 2011 when they were touring with Nevermore and Soilwork, the latter two bands dropped off the bill right before they came to Phoenix, so their audience was drastically smaller. But I guess they never drew over here anyway:
Steve Koleff
Hey Mike, got a quick question: Is there any possibility that SX and IE might fit a date for Phoenix in?
Mike LePond
no
Steve Koleff
what about just Symphony X?
Mike LePond
no
Steve Koleff
ok thanks
Mike LePond
sorry
Steve Koleff
it's alright. i felt sorry for you guys when you came in May cause there was barely a crowd.
Mike LePond
yeah....we don't drraw well there...never did
Steve Koleff
How about Florida? I'll be moving back there in the future lol
Mike LePond
better over there for us
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"One thing that's really amazing about SYMPHONY X and about our fans is, it seems like every record, we move up a little bit more, we get just a little bit more popular," he said. "We don't jump up into stardom; it's a slow climb. I mean, the band's been together just about 20 years now, and it just seems like with every album, our fan base grows just a little bit more, and we've been able to hold the old fans too. So, thankfully, we're still growing."
I wish this would motivate them to be more active. Their popularity would probably grow even more if they didn't fall off the face of the earth for 2-3 years at a time.
I think their lack of an ongoing presence is more of an indication of lukewarm market climate for them than their own lack of interest in fully nurturing the band's potential. Off the top of my head, I can only think of a small group of fringe metal bands that I could confidently say have a better draw than them:
DT
Opeth
PT
Coheed and Cambria
Mastodon
BTBAM
Devin Townsend
There are obviously several more than these but not exactly 50. I just think the growth of "nerd" metal over the last decade has been so unexpectedly significant that we tend to assume that more bands can fully sustain themselves off of music than may actually be the case.
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"One thing that's really amazing about SYMPHONY X and about our fans is, it seems like every record, we move up a little bit more, we get just a little bit more popular," he said. "We don't jump up into stardom; it's a slow climb. I mean, the band's been together just about 20 years now, and it just seems like with every album, our fan base grows just a little bit more, and we've been able to hold the old fans too. So, thankfully, we're still growing."
I wish this would motivate them to be more active. Their popularity would probably grow even more if they didn't fall off the face of the earth for 2-3 years at a time.
I think their lack of an ongoing presence is more of an indication of lukewarm market climate for them than their own lack of interest in fully nurturing the band's potential. Off the top of my head, I can only think of a small group of fringe metal bands that I could confidently say have a better draw than them:
DT
Opeth
PT
Coheed and Cambria
Mastodon
BTBAM
Devin Townsend
These are really prolific groups though. Opeth and DT have consistent release schedules. PT is a little bit less active these days but SW does all kinds of things to keep interest going. Devin Townsend releases music like a maniac.
Mastodon and C&C also have the benefit of a more widespread appeal than just the "nerd metal" camp. I know lots of people who like these groups but aren't into any other proggy metal. Don't know enough about BTBAM to comment on them.
I'm not saying that SX's inactivity directly causes their lack of popularity, but it's definitely not working in their favor. I don't think they'd be held to the same status of those bands (and I never said that they would), but I'm sure they'd at least generate more interest. It's hard to keep interest in a band that's only active for short bursts of time, unless they're like Tool or Metallica who already have a huge established fanbase.
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Does anyone think Symphony X's new sound is "radio friendly metalcore"?
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Where'd that sentiment come from?
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Kenneth R, the resident music snob at the Symphony X forum.
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Where'd that sentiment come from?
From someone who's never heard any metalcore before?
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I wish radio stations around me would play anything remotely similar to Iconoclast, so no.
I gave the album some more listens this week, and I enjoy it way more that I remember btw :metal
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I just listened to Iconoclast. I remember liking a few tracks when I last heard it, and I like almost everything now. The three long tracks are still my favorites, though End of Innocence, Heretic, and Light Up the Night particularly stood out this time. The track order is near perfect on the Special Edition; just as I get tired of the nonstop metal, When All is Lost begins. Then the album closes with another heavy 30 minutes. The 15 minutes or so moved to disc two really improve the album's flow, and the three bonus tracks are among the best on the album.
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I think the problem with Reign In Madness is, that it's an amazing song that gets kind of damaged by its horrible lyrics. I really don't mind the lyrics for most of the album, but that song really has exceptionally bad ones unfortunately.
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I think the problem with Reign In Madness is, that it's an amazing song that gets kind of damaged by its horrible lyrics. I really don't mind the lyrics for most of the album, but that song really has exceptionally bad ones unfortunately.
It's really only the "world of crazies" part that is pretty bad. I like the terminator lyrics otherwise.
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You're right, that's the worst, but the first chorus (the "strike them down" one) isn't much better imo.
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I think the problem with Reign In Madness is, that it's an amazing song that gets kind of damaged by its horrible lyrics. I really don't mind the lyrics for most of the album, but that song really has exceptionally bad ones unfortunately.
B-b-but... this album has "Dehumanized" on it. Lyrically, you cannot get much worse than that. With "Reign in Madness", I like how the lyrics portray a bleak end to the album's concept.
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For me, that album ends with When All Is Lost. :D
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I think the problem with Reign In Madness is, that it's an amazing song that gets kind of damaged by its horrible lyrics. I really don't mind the lyrics for most of the album, but that song really has exceptionally bad ones unfortunately.
B-b-but... this album has "Dehumanized" on it. Lyrically, you cannot get much worse than that. With "Reign in Madness", I like how the lyrics portray a bleak end to the album's concept.
Dehumanized's lyrics are legendary.
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I tried to sing "The Grand Design" at this Korean karaoke joint last night... I butchered it. (I have no singing talent or experience.) It was fun tho. But I would like to personally apologize to SX for ruining their song... LePond thought it was funny.
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I was finally able to access the mp3 section of Symphony X's old website through The Wayback Machine and the songs are still there. These, The Odyssey, and Through The Looking Glass were my introduction to Symphony X:
King of Terrors
Awakenings
Inferno (Unleash the Fire)
Evolution (The Grand Design)
Communion and the Oracle
Smoke and Mirrors
Church of the Machine
Of Sins and Shadows
The Accolade
I wonder if I still have the CD somewhere.
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King of Terrors is the only dud in the lot and still good for a dud. Very strong lineup there.
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Mike LePond's Silent Assassins - EPK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ0qYbXsFaA)
Bass and Rythm guitar - Mike Lepond
Guitar - "Metal" Mike Chlasciak
Vocals - Alan Tecchio
Drum producer and lead guitar - Michael Romeo
Sounds ok, a bit generic at times but it's cool hearing him talk about his vision of the album.
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Russell Allen easily has one of the most powerful voices in music. Would you all agree? I love how at times he can just sound heartbreakingly beautiful... and then the next minute he can just put Satan to shame.
My favorite "Powerful Vocalists" (in no order)
-Russell Allen
-Bruce Dickenson
-Matt Barlow
-Stu Block
-James Hetfield (in the late 80's and on the S&M album)
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I love how at times he can just sound heartbreakingly beautiful... and then the next minute he can just put Satan to shame.
That's my exact definition of Mikael Akerfeldt's singing. :D
Russell is also one of the very best, and I can't wait to hear the broad spectrum of his voice in the new Symphony X record. I think he was by far the best link in Adrenaline Mob, but the music left much to be desired (and it showcased just the harsh aspect of his vocals).
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I love how at times he can just sound heartbreakingly beautiful... and then the next minute he can just put Satan to shame.
That's my exact definition of Ihsahn's singing. :D
:biggrin:
BTW, I really like that they tuned it down the metal in the upcoming album. Not a big fan of Iconoclast TBH.
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I suggest looking at the Symphony x website. Or Facebook.
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SWEET!
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To make things a bit easier for everyone :laugh: :
Happy Holidays to all of our friends and family! Here’s a holiday gift for you: some news on the new cd! You’re welcome. (https://i.imgur.com/OCkS7T2.gif) In true ‘no update until there’s something to say’ form, the Symphony X camp has been quiet as of late. Don’t let the silence fool you, though; they’ve been busy. So busy, in fact, that the new cd is almost done!
Recording of the drums, lead vocals, rhythm guitar, and bass – aka the bulk of the new album – is complete. In the next few weeks, the keyboards, guitar solos, background vocals, and some miscellaneous odds and ends will be done, with the goal to have everything recorded by the end of the month.
Michael Romeo commented “the plan was to have everything tracked by Christmas, and we’re pretty much on schedule. Things are moving at a good pace, and the songs are starting to come to life. More on that down the road a bit.”
Symphony X’s innovative mixture of heavy metal and progressive rock has made them a favored staple among prog metal fans for almost 20 years. 2011′s Iconoclast debuted at #76 on the American Billboard Top 200 chart and at #105 on the Canadian Soundscan Top 200 chart.
https://www.symphonyx.com/site/news/a-holiday-gift-news-on-the-new-cd/ (https://www.symphonyx.com/site/news/a-holiday-gift-news-on-the-new-cd/)
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Ahh finally some SX news! :metal
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Great! Finally! So maybe early summer 2015 release? Should be sweet year of music!
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Looking forward to this one.
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Looking forward to this one.
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Looking forward to this one.
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If it's anything like the albums after The Odyssey (or even like it, minus title track) than I don't think I'll be listening to it more than a couple of times. I'll just wait for Allen to sing in another Star One, instead.
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Really looking forward to this!
Man, next year is insane for somebody with my taste. Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Symphony X, Kamelot and a new Arjen Lucassen project. I expect Seventh Wonder to wrap up their recordings as well. And I hope DT maintains their 2-year schedule as well, which seems possible. For those first three it has been a damn long time since the last new material.
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Really looking forward to this!
Man, next year is insane for somebody with my taste. Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Symphony X, Kamelot and a new Arjen Lucassen project. I expect Seventh Wonder to wrap up their recordings as well. And I hope DT maintains their 2-year schedule as well, which seems possible. For those first three it has been a damn long time since the last new material.
I've already been through SX's discography, but I've had a friend who is a casual fan of Blind Guardian, Nightwish and Kamelot. I've heard of them before and heard a few songs from each, but as a fan of DT and SX, which album(s) would you suggest to someone who is more of a fan like me and hasn't gotten into those bands? I might be interested in becoming a fan of them as they do have new albums coming out next year (as you say), so getting into them before that would be a nice way to become a fan.
-Marc.
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For Kamelot you can't go wrong with Karma, Epica or The Black Halo. The Frouth Legacy if you're willing to try their more power metal side. Not a fan of the rest so I can't help you there, but the new Nightwish album may be good so I'd rather wait for that since it will have a new singer and probably new musical direction.
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I'm not big into those bands, but Blind Guardian seems to be constant quality-wise. Nightfall in Middle-Earth is their most praised album, along with Imaginations from the Other Side. Nightwish's One is pretty epic with just very little cheese.
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Really looking forward to this!
Man, next year is insane for somebody with my taste. Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Symphony X, Kamelot and a new Arjen Lucassen project. I expect Seventh Wonder to wrap up their recordings as well. And I hope DT maintains their 2-year schedule as well, which seems possible. For those first three it has been a damn long time since the last new material.
I've already been through SX's discography, but I've had a friend who is a casual fan of Blind Guardian, Nightwish and Kamelot. I've heard of them before and heard a few songs from each, but as a fan of DT and SX, which album(s) would you suggest to someone who is more of a fan like me and hasn't gotten into those bands? I might be interested in becoming a fan of them as they do have new albums coming out next year (as you say), so getting into them before that would be a nice way to become a fan.
-Marc.
Kamelot - The Black Halo (or perhaps Epica). However if it's in the interest of getting into them before the new album, might be worth listening to their latest, Silverthorn, as it is their first with a new singer that the new album will have. (Or better yet, go straight to the source and listen to Seventh Wonder - Mercy Falls to hear that new singer).
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Not a big fan of Kamelot so I ain't gonna be much help there.
For Nightwish, I'd suggest either Once, Imaginaerum, or Wishmaster. I love Wishmaster but it can be pretty heavy on the power metal cheese so your mileage may vary on that one. Once and Imaginaerum, on the other hand, are simply just good album with a bit more of a focus on the symphonic elements than the pure power metal cheesery.
Blind Guardian have a lot of great songs but, for me, they have precious few consistent albums. Nightfall In Middle-Earth and At The Edge Of Time are two of their best releases in my mind, as those are just chock full of great song after great song. Nightfall, however, has some uber cheesy and pointless tracks that progress the 'story' of the album. Thankfully, they're very short and you don't miss anything by skipping them so it's not too big of a deal. I also really like Somewhere Far Beyond and Tales From The Twilight World. They're a great fusion of Blind Guardian's early, thrash sound and their later power metal style. Not perfect but still greatly enjoyable albums.
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Really looking forward to this!
Man, next year is insane for somebody with my taste. Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Symphony X, Kamelot and a new Arjen Lucassen project. I expect Seventh Wonder to wrap up their recordings as well. And I hope DT maintains their 2-year schedule as well, which seems possible. For those first three it has been a damn long time since the last new material.
I've already been through SX's discography, but I've had a friend who is a casual fan of Blind Guardian, Nightwish and Kamelot. I've heard of them before and heard a few songs from each, but as a fan of DT and SX, which album(s) would you suggest to someone who is more of a fan like me and hasn't gotten into those bands? I might be interested in becoming a fan of them as they do have new albums coming out next year (as you say), so getting into them before that would be a nice way to become a fan.
-Marc.
For Blind Guardian I would begin with Nightfall In Middle Earth, their concept album (based on Tolkiens Silmarillion). And then At the Edge of Time, which basically covers all their styles (speedmetal, powermetal, more proggy like stuff, orchestal, medieval ballads etc.). It is kind of like a best of consisting of new material (a lot of BG albums sound really different).
For Nightwish, I would go with Once for the operatic Tarja period of the band (their best album I think) and Imaginarium for the more poppy style. Both are very good at what they do.
As for Kamelot, I would go with Epica and Silverthorn. Epica is their best Roy Kahn album for me and Silverthorn is an excellent album featuring their new vocalist, Tommy Karevik, who is really awesome as well (and if you like his vocals and prog, it is worth to check out Mercy Falls by Seventh Wonder).
Mind you that these bands are quite different than DT and SX and from each other. Still, all these bands know how and when to use a lot of different musical elements and how to tell stories with their music.
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What Adrenaline Mob should have been:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pZfEOmBuDQ
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What Adrenaline Mob should have been:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pZfEOmBuDQ
cool song! Mat Sinner! :metal
And yes, MUCH BETTER than Adrenaline Mob.
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Yea! :metal Pretty cool track, really diggin the drum sound!
The album trailer gets my blood pumpin!
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Yeah I'm enjoying this one too!
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Yep, solid song. Looking forward to the album actually.
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DATES WITH OVERKILL!
09/18/2015 The Palladium – Worcester, MA
09/19/2015 Upstate Concert Hall – Clifton Park, NY **
09/20/2015 Dome Theater – Niagara Falls, NY
09/22/2015 Agora Ballroom – Cleveland, OH
09/23/2015 The Intersection – Grand Rapids, MI **
09/24/2015 House of Blues – Chicago , IL
09/25/2015 Rave – Milwaukee, WI
09/26/2015 Mill City Nights – Minnesota, MN **
09/27/2015 Park Theatre – Winnipeg, MB – CANADA **
09/29/2015 Mac Ewan Hall Ballroom – Calgary, AB – CANADA **
09/30/2015 Union Hall – Edmonton, AB – CANADA **
10/01/2015 Knitting Factory – Spokane, WA **
10/02/2015 Vogue Theatre – Vancouver, B.C. – CANADA
10/03/2015 Showbox at the Market – Seattle, WA **
10/05/2015 The Grand Ballroom at the Regency Center – San Francisco, CA **
10/06/2015 The Regent Theater – Los Angeles, CA **
10/07/2015 Marquee Theatre – Tempe, AZ
10/09/2015 The Bomb Factory – Dallas, TX
10/10/2015 210 Kapones – San Antonio, TX **
10/11/2015 Warehouse Live – Houston, TX
10/13/2015 The Ritz – Tampa, FL
10/14/2015 The Masquerade – Atlanta, GA **
10/15/2015 The Filmore – Charlotte, NC **
10/16/2015 The Filmore – Silver Spring, MD
10/17/2015 Terminal 5 – New York City, NY
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Yea! :metal Pretty cool track, really diggin the drum sound!
The album trailer gets my blood pumpin!
Yeah I'm enjoying this one too!
Yep, solid song. Looking forward to the album actually.
When I clicked on this thread and saw these posts I thought I had somehow missed some major news :lol
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DATES WITH OVERKILL!
09/18/2015 The Palladium – Worcester, MA
09/19/2015 Upstate Concert Hall – Clifton Park, NY **
09/20/2015 Dome Theater – Niagara Falls, NY
09/22/2015 Agora Ballroom – Cleveland, OH
09/23/2015 The Intersection – Grand Rapids, MI **
09/24/2015 House of Blues – Chicago , IL
09/25/2015 Rave – Milwaukee, WI
09/26/2015 Mill City Nights – Minnesota, MN **
09/27/2015 Park Theatre – Winnipeg, MB – CANADA **
09/29/2015 Mac Ewan Hall Ballroom – Calgary, AB – CANADA **
09/30/2015 Union Hall – Edmonton, AB – CANADA **
10/01/2015 Knitting Factory – Spokane, WA **
10/02/2015 Vogue Theatre – Vancouver, B.C. – CANADA
10/03/2015 Showbox at the Market – Seattle, WA **
10/05/2015 The Grand Ballroom at the Regency Center – San Francisco, CA **
10/06/2015 The Regent Theater – Los Angeles, CA **
10/07/2015 Marquee Theatre – Tempe, AZ
10/09/2015 The Bomb Factory – Dallas, TX
10/10/2015 210 Kapones – San Antonio, TX **
10/11/2015 Warehouse Live – Houston, TX
10/13/2015 The Ritz – Tampa, FL
10/14/2015 The Masquerade – Atlanta, GA **
10/15/2015 The Filmore – Charlotte, NC **
10/16/2015 The Filmore – Silver Spring, MD
10/17/2015 Terminal 5 – New York City, NY
Gonna check it out! I would assume the new album will be out by then
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Nice! I'm surprised to see the Marquee Theatre in Tempe, AZ on the tour list. Last time we saw them there, hardly anybody showed up. It was great for us but I felt so sorry for the guys in the band. They deserve a lot better turn out than that.
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Last time they were in Winnipeg they played with Iced Earth and there were about 200 people for the show
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But they're with Overkill, and Overkill can draw a crowd. I thought they'd stop by New Mex.
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10 April 2015 – Symphony X is happy to report that the mixing and mastering of our new cd is complete! The process was handled by Jens Bogren, who also did our last two cds, and who did an amazing job as always.
As for the artwork, we turned once again to Warren Flanagan. Warren has worked on our last two cds as well, and can also be relied upon for amazing work.
We will be wrapping up the booklet layout and finalizing things over the next couple of weeks. The band is really excited about this one, and we anxiously look forward to getting it out there to everyone.
In also-long-awaited fan club news, SXW will be having it’s LONG-waited relaunch on May 1st, 2015 with pre-orders for our second fan club cd to follow. Previous CotM members should contact Jax to ensure that your contact info is current, particularly those awaiting cds. To kick off the relaunch of the fan club, we’ll be offering some limited edition/one of a kind Sym X merch bundles to members; we’ll post a special announcement at the end of the month with more info and instructions on how new members can join. Thanks for your patience!
-Jax
SymX Staff
https://www.symphonyx.com/site/news/we-have-cd-news-and-fan-club-news/ (https://www.symphonyx.com/site/news/we-have-cd-news-and-fan-club-news/)
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I'm considering joining the fan club.
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Wow Actual SX news! :omg: Sounds great, can't wait!
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Didn't know SX put out a fanclub CD before. What's on it?
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it was released in 2005, here is the blabbermouth snippet:
"Rarities and Demos", the anxiously awaited first fan club CD from the official international SYMPHONY X fan club, Church of the Machine, was shipped out this week to fan club members. The CD includes demo material, rare unreleased material, and Michael J. Romeo's interpretation of the "Star Wars" theme, done with over 15 guitar tracks. The track listing is as follows:
01. Inferno (demo version)
02. The Odyssey (overture demo)
03. Eyes of Medusa (demo; originally titled "Gates of Misery", with different chorus)
04. A Winter's Dream Part II (original recording with Rod Tyler on vocals)
05. Disillusioned (unreleased track; demo version with Rod Tyler on vocals)
06. Star Wars Suite
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14489
The only review on progarchives:
This is a CD released by the official international Symphony X fanclub and actually the only Symphony X 'EP'. What do we have here? The demo version of the kick ass song "Inferno (Unleash The Fire)", which is a bit different and you can actually hear Allen singing (on some parts) the melodies the voice will do when the record is finally released instead of singing the lyrics. Also, the production on this track seems like cleaner, and not so over polished, low as heavy as the track we can hear on "The Odyssey" album. The "Overture" demo version of the gigantic epic "The Odyssey" is very, very similar and brought me memories of this big song I haven't heard in a long time. Also, here we've the demo of "Eyes Of Medusa", which was originally entitled "Gates Of Misery", and has a different chorus, and is absent the nice and dark instrumental intermission "The Isle Of Deadly Shores", and IMO that makes the song worse, in addition that the production on this song isn't very good. "A Winter's Dream Part II" (with Rod Tyler on vocals) has even worse production than the first SX album, and this song was going to be included on that album, but it was included (with the amazing Allen on vocals) on their second effort, "Damnation Game". "Disillusioned" figures as an unreleased track but I feel it as a very different version of the wild "Taunting The Notorious", but equally great. To close this 28 minute disc, we've the "Star Wars Suite", which is basically Romeo covering that song we all know, with amazing melody and solos, it's a pleasure listening to that song.
Overall, a disc that is logically recommended just to Symphony X's fans or collectors of this kind of rarities. Definitely worth a listen for a fan of the band.
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Cool! I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
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I think I like SX more than DT now, the lyrics are so mythological, so unreal, so haunting to my mind.
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I think I like SX more than DT now, the lyrics are so mythological, so unreal, so haunting to my mind.
They are neck and neck for me, but I would give the slight edge to SX
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They are neck and neck for me, but I would give the slight edge to SX
I would agree if not for Images and Words. SX were much more consistently impressive to me than DT during the 1997-2009 period when DT were releasing plenty of stuff I didn't care for. But after the last 2 albums and the fact that Images and Words is close enough to my favourite album ever, I'd give the gong to DT.
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I think overall DT's diversity just simply puts them on top.
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I'm considering joining the fan club.
I don't even see mention on how to.
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I think I like SX more than DT now, the lyrics are so mythological, so unreal, so haunting to my mind.
They are neck and neck for me, but I would give the slight edge to SX
my second and third favorite bands. They flip flop in order all the time. I&W is the best of the bunch, but two/three SymX albums are not far behind (then DT has three more that are not far behind them).
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Same mixing guy, same artwork guy. I hope the music will play out less safe than those decisions.
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Same mixing guy, same artwork guy. I hope the music will play out less safe than those decisions.
I don't really like those 2 recent album covers... :-X
I hope they could use the orchestra more again!
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I think overall DT's diversity just simply puts them on top.
Yeah this. SX do very little for me. And I've tried more than I should have to. They have their moments but nowhere near enough of them. And it's pretty samey.
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I think overall DT's diversity just simply puts them on top.
Yeah this. SX do very little for me. And I've tried more than I should have to. They have their moments but nowhere near enough of them. And it's pretty samey.
I love SX but can't help but to think this at times.
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It's only been samey recently, in my opinion.
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I'm considering joining the fan club.
I don't even see mention on how to.
I read somewhere that you have to win a duel against Russell.
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I have no problems with their music or the album covers. My only gripe is they make us wait too goddamn long for the next release. Five years? Really? Three years would've been a long wait but much better than five...JFC.
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I agree about the delays. There should have been a live album released in this last stretch of time
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One of the worst bands when it comes to promotion and fan connection. They're always so silent, sometimes I wonder if they still exist.
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I have no problems with their music or the album covers. My only gripe is they make us wait too goddamn long for the next release. Five years? Really? Three years would've been a long wait but much better than five...JFC.
Indeed, at least Blind Guardian, one of my other favourites that also kind of dissapeared, released a best of (with significant remixes and some rerecorded tracks), a boxset with almost their entire discography remixed (not better, but some interesting changes and really obvious differences) and have finished a new album alongside working on a big orchestral project (said to be two parter).
I wish Symphony X at least used the time to do some special stuff, fanservice or create/prepare for even more new material.
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Yeah they could do way better. A band as great musically as this one is, should be touring all over the world all the time. Release dvd´s and shit. Not happening though. No wonder Allen´s all over the place doing other things.
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Yeah they could do way better. A band as great musically as this one is, should be touring all over the world all the time. Release dvd´s and shit. Not happening though. No wonder Allen´s all over the place doing other things.
Wonder what the guys do for day jobs when they aren't touring and recording ?
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You know I have absolutely no idea? Imagine Romeo as a kidschool teacher?
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Michael Pinnella has worked at Guitar Center since before even joining SX iirc.
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I also remember something about Jason Rullo being a drum teacher somewhere.
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-Jason Rullo moved to New Mexico and he's a teacher
-Michael Pinnella is a teacher at some school in the NY/NJ area.
Don't know what the other guys' jobs are (if they have one). I'm really curious on what Romeo does on the side
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Imagine him as in kindergarden teacher or car seller :-------D
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Russell Allen is in the shoe business
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bc/7c/84/bc7c84497335e77cda06f8c24adb9198.jpg)
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New album news: https://www.symphonyx.com/site/news/the-new-album-titled-underworld-will-be-out-in-july/
Not a fan of the artwork but I am intrigued by the description of the music and songwriting in it.
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Hmm, Adagio, who are often compared to Symphony X had an album called Underworld.
The artwork is a little cheap looking. Maybe it's not the final draft.
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That artwork looks like a fan made from the early 2000... :P definitely the worst SX album cover if this is the final draft..
But new SX album, no matter what the cover looks like, the music will kick ass! :)
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That artwork looks like a fan made from the early 2000... :P definitely the worst SX album cover if this is the final draft..
But new SX album, no matter what the cover looks like, the music will kick ass! :)
Not the worst at all.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Symphony_X_album.jpg)
Did you forget about that gem?
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Eh, I like that cover.
The new one... not so much.
Also that didn't tell us a thing about the new album, but I'm stilly hyped.
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Also that didn't tell us a thing about the new album
??? How did it not? It gave us album title, track names, release date, the theme, and mindset of the band in creating the album... How did it not tell us a thing about the new album? What exactly are you looking for?
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Well, yeah it did. I worded my post wrong.
I mean the whole "it's aggressive but yet soaring and emotional and everything is exactly where it needs to be" doesn't really say anything about the music on the album. I'm confident that it will be good, and we did get cover, title, tracklist, which isn't nothing, but no matter how the album sounds, those are the words that any progressive metal band ever would use to describe their music when trying to generate hype.
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Wow, those are some generic song titles there :lol
Also, that cover is cringeworthy
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I just hope it's better than Iconoclast. I didn't like it.
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Looking forward to this!!
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Looking forward to this!!
Me 2. I've seen a lot worse covers - put it that way.
And I'll be interested to hear their 20 min version of Running With The Devil ;D
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The cover kind of reminds me of Iconoclast's, but with the theater masks from the s/t and V.
I'll give it a shot. I didn't really like Iconoclast, but I'm open.
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Cover's not very impressive but I'm super excited to hear this!
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Don't mind the cover at all. Cool connection with the first album.
As homage to Dante’s use of the number 3 and its multiples, the band utilizes this motif in its music either in a lyrical or melodic context. The first song on the album is a three syllable, three note melodic phrase, and in the verses there are three references to three songs on the bands third album, The Divine Wings Of Tragedy. “There’s cool shit like this all over the record,” Romeo reports.
Yes love stuff like that, my prog heart feels warm.
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The only thing they need to do in order for me to like it, is to have Russell sing more clean again. His newfound aggressive voice was great on The Odyssey, but ever since it's just gone haywire.
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The only thing they need to do in order for me to like it, is to have Russell sing more clean again. His newfound aggressive voice was great on The Odyssey, but ever since it's just gone haywire.
I love his raspy power voice but yea I agree, would be nice to hear a bit more clean singing ala TDWoT.
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Looking forward to this one too, it's about time.
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I would like to hear an older sound on this new record, but honestly I'm not going to be too picky. I'm just glad to get something new from the band. I have full confidence it will kick ass regardless of the sound they go with.
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Tracks length?
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All I needed to know about the new album at this point is that it's coming out in July. Everything else I'll find out in due time.
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New song "Nevermore": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z3AHbjeb1U&feature=youtu.be
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That wasn't bad at all. It's what one can expect from a modern day SymX track, but in this particular style my guess is that fans will really like what they hear. I'm not as much into them as I was back in the V and Odyssey days, but still. Good track.
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NEW SONG OMMMMMMGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z3AHbjeb1U&feature=youtu.be
fixed that for me
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There's enough in there to get my interest , although as a whole I'm not sure about the song . The verses were boring to me , but then there were parts of the song I liked.
Looking forward to the album anyway.
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It's not amazing, but I quite liked it. :tup
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Anyone else try to pre-order? I was going for the t-shirt/cd bundle, and it looks like that will cost about $50 (including $22 shipping) to my home in the U.S. That seems a little steep compared to similar t-shirt/cd bundles offered by other bands in the past, no?
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There's enough in there to get my interest , although as a whole I'm not sure about the song
Kinda how I feel.
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Not too shabby a tune. I'll probably buy it.
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Not too shabby a tune. I'll probably buy it.
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OMG! New SymX tune :o :o :o :o :o
I really like this!! :2metal: Not too heavy like the 2 recent albums but heavy when it have to. I'm excited as hell!! :metal :metal :metal
Great catchy chorus although quite predictable.
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I wonder if there will be a regular and deluxe edition. I would imagine there would be
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Not great, but sounds better than anything on Iconoclast.
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Not great, but sounds better than anything on Iconoclast.
YOUR FACE SOUNDS BETTER THAN ANYTHING ON ICONOCLAST! >:(
Wait, what?
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lol, I'm more of a fan of that vintage Symphony X sound, somewhere from Diving Wings thru V or Odyssey. This has a bit of that going on in the chorus, but the verse sounds like Iconoclast or Paradise Lost. As long as this album dials back on the aggression just a wee bit I think I'll be fine with it.
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NB Press Release
The factors are conceivably many.
Whether, it's the genius writing and execution of Michael Romeo - his thoughts incubating exactly four years since the band's slamming last album »Iconoclast« - or the richness of experience gained by Russell Allen over a triumphant run with TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA, or the heroic health battles of drummer Jason Rullo bounding back from heart failure in 2013, or simply the maturity of holding fast a band lineup, essentially rock-solid over 20 years... whatever the factors involved, SYMPHONY X have struck an enriched level of maturity with their ninth album, entitled »Underworld«.
Having been through the wars, voluntarily made tougher by insisting on playing intellectually and technically challenging music for fans that demand it - and then made harsh again by the evolving contours of the music industry, most notably the shift to singles and single songs – SYMPHONY X have triumphed, creating a panoramic old school “album rock” experience in an era cursed with shorter and shorter attention spans.
“This new one is about the song”, begins axe wizard Michael Romeo, chief writer in the band, and possessor of The Dungeon, the tricked-out studio in which the album was crafted, newly equipped with the latest in technology required to execute the band’s famous symphonic and orchestrated touches with aplomb. “Every element added was in service of the song, so the album flows song to song and becomes a total listening experience. Every song is to-the-point and fine-tuned, with us paying a lot of attention to the hooks, voices, riffs, and keeping the interest and the energy high for the whole record, so it can be listened to start to finish. You know, industry people have talked about how we'll never see a »Sgt. Pepper's« or »Dark Side Of The Moon« again, and that idea... I wanted to defend the reputation of the album, and really try to make »Underworld« an album worth listening to as a whole album. It's what I love about »Moving Pictures« - great individual songs, but still an album experience. I don't want to sound like I'm preaching, but it was a point I wanted to make. It was about the flow of the whole record. It speeds up here and then it dips down here. It all makes sense together, it all works together and it all flows together. And that’s me, dude. - I still listen to whole records (laughs).”
And it's been the product of thoughtful strategy, the way »Underworld«'s inviting peaks-and-valleys sequencing was achieved, through the establishment of concept, and then a smart pulling back from it, again, in search of defiantly self-contained songs, songs that create their own eco-system, but with synergy, so that the sum is greater than the anthemic parts.
“»Underworld«'s not really a concept album”, agrees Michael, “but like the last couple of records, there's a theme that carries through, without it being storytelling. We try to find something to key in on and get the juices flowing, and here the goal was to find something a little dark but with emotional content. I started looking at Dante, and Orpheus in the underworld, where he's going to go to Hades or hell to save this girl. So there's the theme of going to hell and back for something or someone you care about. So we could inject hellish imagery and at the same time there's an emotional quality to it, where you care about someone, you're going to go through all this, and yet trying to do the right thing. But it's an outline, not storytelling. We had a concept and we pulled back and at the same time made it more personal and less pretentious. We found some kind of parameters to work in, where both musically and lyrically it wouldn't be going overboard.”
In terms of specific songs from the record, label priorities are 'Nevermore' and 'Without You', each adding dimension and hue to the totality of the record from opposite ends of the spectrum.
Immediately with 'Nevermore', the focus Michael speaks about becomes clear. Russell is right there with the vocal after a brief, non-nonsense thrash intro, and then the clouds part for a chorus of beauty, Russell sliding a melody on top of a feverish prog riff of erudite magic from Michael.
“Up-tempo, good hook, good playing all around”, chuckles Michael. “That was designed as an introduction to the album. The first song on any record is to establish the vibe of what the record is about. And 'Nevermore''s got the riffs, the hooks, the chorus, and some crazy solo stuff happening.”
'Without You' on the other hand is a strident ballad but one full of rock events and vaulted arranging, light vs. shade, soaring harmonies, punch, power, and last but not least progressive time signatures. “That one's a bit mellower, with a big chorus and a sweeping feel. I don't know if I would call it a ballad, but it's a little bit softer, not so much about riff, but more the acoustic and electric interplay. Those two are good single choices, if you will, because they represent what the record is: it's heavy, but at the same time, there's some of these soaring melodic parts, as in 'Swansong' with its piano thing. That's an example of keyboards carrying most of the tune - Pinnella brought most of that one in. But those two address both sides of the record.”
“And Russell, he's just a natural”, notes Romeo. “When he first heard the songs, he had mentioned that he really wanted to sing more, even though the material was heavy. So we put a lot of emphasis on his abilities and making the choruses strong vocally. It just felt right. He knew too that it was the right thing to do, as did everybody in the band as soon as they heard the demos.”
Other highlights include the brisk and exhilarating 'Underworld' which Michael says, “second song in, we still needed to be pretty heavy. And the lyric, again, not telling a story but kind of tying down what the encompassing topic is, sticking to the fabric of what everything was about. Every song is placed that way, specifically for flow. So yeah, with the second song, we definitely wanted something pretty freakin' heavy.”
“It's hard not to look at old Scorpions”, laughs Michael, asked about 'Charon', the album's most “Middle eastern-sounding” composition. “We knew we wanted to have a song that got into those tonalities. Again, it’s different than the other ones, but it doesn’t sound like it doesn’t belong. Another favourite of mine is 'Hell And Back', which is melodic and a little reminiscent of some of our stuff from years back; it’s proggy, with a lot of different things going on in the arrangement of it. We didn't have a 20-minute song, so at nine minutes, it seemed like we needed a song that has some length, goes here, dips down here, a little heavier here, and that song was that. And then it’s back to our overarching view of the record, where 'In My Darkest Hour' is hammering the theme of combining a really cool riff with a solid chorus, but with a twist to the arrangement, with the bass kind of taking over for the verse.”
“There is something else I can fill you in on that’s pretty slick”, offers Michael, somewhat conspiratorially. “When the whole Dante thing came about and we were doing some research and looking at the Inferno, you see this number three cropping up all the time. I guess he wrote the verses in sets of three and there's 33 cantos per part, and there's all this play on three, six, nine, 33. So we injected some of that, and you probably wouldn’t realize it unless you were looking for it. For example, the first song, ‘Nevermore’, it’s three syllables and the melody is a three-note phrase. There's three references to three of our old songs from our third record. There's shit like that all over the place. Some more than others - there are some songs on the record that are left the way they were. But sometimes there's a three-note riff or there's a six-note riff, or there's a multiple of three words in a chorus. There's intentional things here and there. You gotta have fun, dude, and enjoy what you’re doing (laughs) - make it interesting for yourself too.”
For »Underworld«'s cover art, SYMPHONY X went with their established illustrator Warren Flanagan, who similarly tapped into the “secret knowledge” vibe Michael and band embedded in the record.
“Warren went with the masks, similar to the first record”, explains Romeo. “But when I discussed with him Dante and the underworld, he did his own research and designed a little symbol for each of the nine circles of hell. So there are these little geometric symbols that mean something. That's just what he does. He gets in there and finds these things that maybe no one really besides us knows what it means and yet it has meaning.”
It's all just additional intellectual and conceptual grist for the discerning music fan to ponder. But ultimately, to reiterate, the band's goal - and mission accomplished - was to create a record where strength of song was paramount. In that respect, with »Underworld«, SYMPHONY X have transcended the stigma with which progressive metal is often saddled. These expertly constructed songs transcend to the point where any appreciator of smart songwriting can be positively provoked.
“Absolutely”, reflects Michael in closing. “We're not just making records for players or deep, deep prog metal fans. I think when you start out, yes, you want to show your skills and you want to prove what you do. But as time goes on, especially with us, it's, 'What is the song about? ' 'What's the right thing for the song? ' So it's more enjoyable for everybody, and you don't have to necessarily be a musician to get it. And that's where we're at now. We're trying to craft good songs, and yet still have some fun playing - of course, it's always fun to sprinkle some of the chops thing in. But yeah, with »Underworld«, it's definitely about the whole album. And that's what we're preoccupied with now, and love about this band. Sure, there are lots of different bits still, lots of what SYMPHONY X is known for, but there's so much more to worry about now (laughs).”
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Cool interview
New tune is very solid
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Song's very good, couldn't really ask for more. Definitely looking forward to this album.
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Song's very good, couldn't really ask for more. Definitely looking forward to this album.
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Nice, I quite like it.
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Not bad, I'm really looking forward to the July release now. :metal
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Doesn't sound too different from Iconoclast musically, but I like the cleaner vox, and the song as a whole is just... better.
Stoked for this release!
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Some really cool drum parts from Jason. Really diggin the verse with the uptempo drumbeat and the doublepedal rythm.
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I found the verses to be a bit too dull but the chorus other parts were decent. I like that it also sounds with a bit more... breath? air? Not sure, but I hope that the album is mixed in a way that doesn't give me headache if I listen to it more than once.
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Nice to hear Russel sing (at least partly) clean vocals again. Liked it a lot.
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The riffs were very cool, rather reminiscent of the Odyssey album, so I see Lepond's comment that this new record was a return to that style was not unwarranted. Vocally, it sounds quite nice, although I think the chorus could use some more backing vocals to give it that trademark Symphony X choir sound. Overall, a cool song. Certainly not going to be a favourite of mine, but then again, it's just a sample.
Looking forward to the album, and to seeing them live this fall.
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Anyone else think there's a deliberate reference to Thorns of Sorrow?
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They said that they have spread references to older songs throughout the album.
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That was pretty awesome! :omg:
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They said that they have spread references to older songs throughout the album.
That's interesting to hear
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The song is ok. Sounds like an Iconoclast b-side, but it wasn't bad. Don't really care much for the chorus though. Nice to hear Russell singing.
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The chorus is great but the lyrics don't quite fit to the melody, I don't mean lyrically but tonally. It's like me trying to write some lyrics for the chorus.. :\
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I think this new song is fucking outrageous! Love it. Really liking Russ's clean vocals too, amazing track.
I actually think this is better than a lot of Iconoclast tracks.
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Man, I really don't get an Iconoclast B-side vibe from this. Sounds fresh as fuck. Russel and Romeo on FIREEE
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I too think the songwriting approach is similar to Iconoclast. The only difference is the tone of the vocals and instruments.
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Meh,sounds okay.
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I disagree about the Iconoclast b-side assertions. Those riffs and the clean, soaring vocals, especially in the chorus, are very reminiscent of the V-Odyssey era. Admittedly, SX isn't exactly the most varied of bands, and there's a lot more continuity in their sound from album to album compared to, say, Dream Theater, but their history does have several distinct periods. This song, while not sounding completely different from the PL-Iconoclast era, sounds more to my ears as belonging to The Odyssey.
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It's Ok, I enjoyed the song. Nice to hear Russell's cleans again. The chorus is kind of a downer because of Russells vocals, maybe its the melody of the lyrics.
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Regarding the comparisons to previous albums:
Are we talking about the same thing?
Regarding the songwriting (the way the song would look as notes on a note sheet), without any regard for clean/harsh vocals and guitar tones, I clearly see an Iconoclast b-side. The chorus is too "happy" to fit on Iconoclast but still written in the same mindset.
The tone of the band however is indeed very similar to V.
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Regarding the comparisons to previous albums:
Are we talking about the same thing?
Regarding the songwriting (the way the song would look as notes on a note sheet), without any regard for clean/harsh vocals and guitar tones, I clearly see an Iconoclast b-side. The chorus is too "happy" to fit on Iconoclast but still written in the same mindset.
The tone of the band however is indeed very similar to V.
See: In The Dragon's Den, Sea of Lies, The Relic, The Turning, ect.
Light Up The Night isnt the only SymX song that features pounding double bass drumming and fast 16th note tremelo picking riffs the whole way through. Its a style that's popped up on pretty much all of their albums, especially pre-Paradise Lost era. I dont really understand why everyone associates that with Iconoclast, when that album actually focused more on slowed down, groove-based heavy riffs (Dehumanized, Lords of Chaos, Faceless God, ect)
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At first I thought they got a new singer. Romeo shows that he still is one of the best riffers out there. I like the chorus. Lyric videos always make the lyrics seem arbitrary to me, so I don't know how I feel about that.
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Heard it once. Not sure if I like it a lot, but Nightwish/Kamelot/Blind Guardian/Angra all had to grow on me recently (and did), so I'll see how it fares. It lacks any build up in the beginning (which SX is great at) and the chorus feels it would benefit from some extra punch by having a slight overdub, background vocals or instrument giving additional support. The album cover is okay in the sense that it at least has a nostalgic throwback thing going on. But the actual art is not something that will grow on me, nor those song titles.
Thankfully, Russel finally shows some vocal groove again (not only metalmode). Don't know if you guys were aware of the vocal workshops he gave last year, but he is in great shape:
Inferno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUYoRJlQam0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUYoRJlQam0)
Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7lXa6VZRgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7lXa6VZRgg)
They better let some more old songs return to their setlists as well (last time I saw them was Iconoclast + Paradise Lost and Inferno/Sins, which is a shame)
Regarding the comparisons to previous albums:
Are we talking about the same thing?
Regarding the songwriting (the way the song would look as notes on a note sheet), without any regard for clean/harsh vocals and guitar tones, I clearly see an Iconoclast b-side. The chorus is too "happy" to fit on Iconoclast but still written in the same mindset.
The tone of the band however is indeed very similar to V.
See: In The Dragon's Den, Sea of Lies, The Relic, The Turning, ect.
Light Up The Night isnt the only SymX song that features pounding double bass drumming and fast 16th note tremelo picking riffs the whole way through. Its a style that's popped up on pretty much all of their albums, especially pre-Paradise Lost era. I dont really understand why everyone associates that with Iconoclast, when that album actually focused more on slowed down, groove-based heavy riffs (Dehumanized, Lords of Chaos, Faceless God, ect)
True (if someone happens to view that evolution clip above, just listen to the end, for example). It is more of a production style and focus on certain elements that gives that stigma I think.
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See: In The Dragon's Den, Sea of Lies, The Relic, The Turning, ect.
Light Up The Night isnt the only SymX song that features pounding double bass drumming and fast 16th note tremelo picking riffs the whole way through. Its a style that's popped up on pretty much all of their albums, especially pre-Paradise Lost era. I dont really understand why everyone associates that with Iconoclast, when that album actually focused more on slowed down, groove-based heavy riffs (Dehumanized, Lords of Chaos, Faceless God, ect)
You're right about double bass and tremolo being prominent since the beginning, but the songs you listed don't feature it all the way through. They have more variety and structural complexity than songs from Iconoclast and Nevermore (maybe except for In the Dragon's Den, but that is intended as a counterpoint to Sonata and is supposed to be cliche metal).
The thrashy and technically challenging but structurally simple and monotonous songs became predominant on Iconoclast and Nevermore is one of them.
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The older material definitely has more variety overall, so yeah I see your point.
I'm thinking the all out aggressivness of this song is going work well coming off of the "overture", which will probably sound like Oculus Ex Inferni and less "in your face".
The pre-chorus/chorus of Nevermore really draws me back to The Divine Wings of Tragedy (song). I dont know if its the way Russell is singing or the chords that Pinella is playing in the backround, but maybe a combination of both. Gave me nostalgic vibes from the first time I ever listened to DWOT.
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I find Nevermore a little underwhelming. For one, I find the pre-chorus better than the chorus and that's not good in my book. Russel sings well but not much more. Finally, I'm still trying to find where the interest of Romeo's solo lies (I don't see where it goes). Yep, it harkens back a little to DWoT in the vibe, but not in the execution and not really in the composition. Was really hyped for this one, not so much now.
B.Lee
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The pre-chorus/chorus of Nevermore really draws me back to The Divine Wings of Tragedy (song). I dont know if its the way Russell is singing or the chords that Pinella is playing in the backround, but maybe a combination of both. Gave me nostalgic vibes from the first time I ever listened to DWOT.
That melody is definitely reminiscent of the early days. It reminds me of the Thorns of Sorrow chorus.
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The song was awesome! Sounds much better than anything on the last two albums. :metal
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That intro to 'The Divine Wings of Tragedy'. That they didn't compose the notes is beside the question, the execution is just amazingly beautiful. I've heard that it's all Russell Allen, and I wouldn't be surprised. But still, those vocal harmonies, just wow. That kind of beauty is exactly what I've been missing in their music since Paradise Lost.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Wings_of_Tragedy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclast_(Symphony_X_album)
Compare the writing credits. Pretty much tells you all you need to know about why those other dimensions have been somewhat lost.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Wings_of_Tragedy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclast_(Symphony_X_album)
Compare the writing credits. Pretty much tells you all you need to know about why those other dimensions have been somewhat lost.
That's an interesting observation. I wonder why Pinella's writing input has dwindled down to zero.
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Finally heard the new track. i like it a lot. But then again, i'm a newer fan of the band, and in the definite minority in that i like PL and Iconoclast better than the older albums. it'll take more listening to it, and i'm very excited for the whole album. But on first listen, i dig it.
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New album is up on Amazon for preorder.
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FWIW a local guy who gets advance review copies has sent this.............
"I think 'Underworld' should make most fans of the band and Russell Allen very happy. The band have toned the aggression back a touch and provided a good mix of old and new Symphony X(without delving too much into the more proggy early days).
For those that have heard the track 'Nevermore', it doesn't get any heavier than that on the record, and besides maybe 'Underworld' and 'Kiss Of Fire' the rest of the album has a more melodic feel to it(while still retaining the heaviness at times). Allen's vocals sound less gruff and more like that on a Lande/Allen album for most of the record. 'Without You' is a great mid paced ballad type of song and wouldn't be out of place on any Lande/Allen album. 'Swan Song' is the other softer song on the album and again, is another great track with piano running through the song and Allen's voice more restrained.
My fave songs so far after a couple of listens would have to be the very melodic track 'Run With The Devil', the title track 'Underworld' which is heavy and has a great riff, and the last track on the album 'Legend' which has a nice mix of old and new Symphony X running through it.
Overall, first impressions are strong. I can definitely hear elements from the last two albums, especially on the heavier tracks. However, I also get a Damnation Game feel at times. There are no long winded prog songs on the album with most songs around the 5 and a half minute mark. I loved Iconoclast. I thought it was a gem of an album. I love the heavier side to my music, however If anything, it lacked a little variety. 'Underworld' has variety in that it mixes in a couple of really nice mid tempo ballad type of songs and also a few more melodic tracks that give the album more depth. "
Sounds like it could be right up my alley....fingers crossed.
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I like the sounds of that review
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I can't see this coming anywhere near to topping Paradise Lost for me, so at the moment I'm just hoping it will be better than Iconoclast.
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I like the sounds of that review
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The Damnation Game reference gave me some hope.
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I like the sounds of that review
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I can't see this coming anywhere near to topping Paradise Lost for me, so at the moment I'm just hoping it will be better than Iconoclast.
I liked both albums, but in both cases still kinda felt like "eh, I waited all these years for THIS?" I try not to form opinions based on reviews, but that one actually does give me some reason to believe I will like this album better than its two immediate predecessors.
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album ranking time?
Paradise Lost
V
Odyssey/Divine Wings of Tragedy
Iconoclast
Damnation Game
Twilight In Olympus
s/t
Its hard to rank them because theyre all equally good in different ways, but the top 2 spots are absolutes
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Ok, let's see how this goes:
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Twilight In Olympus/V
The Odyssey
Damnation Game
Paradise Lost/ST
Iconoclast
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Something lite this:
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
V
The Odyssey
Paradise Lost
Twilight In Olympus
Damnation Game
Iconoclast
Symphony X (Haven't really gotten the listen it probably deserve)
I like Iconoclast but it's a bit to much metal for my neo-classical heart, atleast when we're talking about the SX I fell in love with.
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The Odyssey
V
Iconoclast
Paradise Lost
The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
Twilight In Olympus
The Damnation Game
Symphony X
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Album ranking? Sure, why not.
Paradise Lost
V
The Odyssey/ Iconoclast
Damnation Game
Divine Wings of Tragedy
Twilight in Olympus/ ST
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Paradise Lost
Twilight in Olympus
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
The Odyssey
The Damnation Game
V
Iconoclast
I have not listened to the self titled yet.
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V - The New Mythology Suite
The Odyssey
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Twilight in Olympus
Paradise Lost
The Damnation Game
Iconoclast
Symphony X
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All of the albums (except for the debut, which I never got into) are pure gold. Love them all
Odyssey
V
TIO
DWOT
Paradise Lost
Damnation Game
Iconoclast
SX
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Well, I have a distinct top 3
1- V
2- Twilight in Olympus (having Church of the Machine and Through the Looking Glass is more then enough to make TIO my second favourite album, even if the lack of an epic title track makes it sound a bit incomplete)
3- The Divine Wings of Tragedy
After that it becomes a bit arbitrary, as The Damnation Game, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost and Iconoclast each excel in ways that are unique to themselves, but they all have their flaws that place them distinctly below the top 3. It goes without saying, though, that the self titled debut is easily their weakest album
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That is similar to my top 3...except that it is completely different.
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DWOT
The Rest
Iconoclast
Sx
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1. The Odyssey
2. V: The New Mythology Suite
3. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
4. Twilight in Olympus
5. Paradise Lost
6. Iconoclast
7. The Damnation Game
8. Symphony X
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That is similar to my top 3...except that it is completely different.
As in same albums, but different order?
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That is similar to my top 3...except that it is completely different.
As in same albums, but different order?
I was just being goofy. The Odyssey and V are my 1 and 2, in that order (but VERY close). Then the latest 2 are ranked at 3 and 4, but the order varies depending on my mood. I am not crazy about the pre-V albums and do not rank them.
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1. The Odyssey
2. Paradise Lost
3. Divine Wings of Tragedy
4. Iconoclast
5. V
6. Twilight in Olympus
7. The Damnation Game
8. Symphony X
To be honest, I like V, but I never got the amount of hype it receives.
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1. The Odyssey
2. Paradise Lost
3. Divine Wings of Tragedy
4. Iconoclast
5. V
6. Twilight in Olympus
7. The Damnation Game
8. Symphony X
To be honest, I like V, but I never got the amount of hype it receives.
Me neither until I listened to it again recently and holy crap.
I never realized how good it was when I first heard it. The vast majority of songs on the album are all gems and the atmosphere pulls you in and doesnt ever let you escape until the album is done.
Good riffs and vocals help too.
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TDWOT
V
The Odyssey
Paradise Lost
Twilight
Iconoclast
Damnation
SX
first three are reallllly close together
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Divine Wings, V and Odyssey are probably the ones I like the most, but I don't know exactly how I would rank those 3.
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To be honest, I like V, but I never got the amount of hype it receives.
Same.
1. Twilight
2. Divine
3. Odyssey
4. V
5. Paradise
6. Iconoclast
I didn't really listen to the first two properly.
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I'm glad someone agrees, but porgdrummer, I'll pop it in the car and have a fresh listen.
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1 - The Odyssey
2 - TDWOT
3 - V
4 - TiO
5 - PL
6 - Iconoclast
7 - DG
8 - s/t
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The Odyssey
V
Paradise Lost
Iconoclast
The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
Twilight In Olympus
The Damnation Game
Symphony X
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V
The Odyssey
TDWoT
Twilight In Olympus
Iconoclast
The Damnation Game
S/T
Paradise Lost
And I'm serious as a heart attack
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Nevermore and Without You are now up on Spotify, at least in Finland! Liking the new tune, nothing special but a little Accolade-vibes! :)
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Not bad, but not really great. I already like it more than Nevermore though.
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The band released "Without You" on youtube now as well.
Check it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=xZe-Pmgq9DY)
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The band released "Without You" on youtube now as well.
Check it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=xZe-Pmgq9DY)
I like that .
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Hmm...not bad. Could be a grower.
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I checked out most of Symphony X's stuff about 10 years ago, and it didn't do anything for me then. Should I give it another shot now?
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What did you listen to?
I would try one of two things:
1. Listen to The Odyssey (entire album) twice. If that doesn't do it for you, don't bother. They probably aren't for you.
2. Listen to Prelude->Evolution (The Grand Design) from V, preferably while driving. If you can either (1) stay under the speed limit, or (2) deny that this isn't one of the most beastly album openings ever, don't bother. They probably aren't for you.
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"Without You" is wonderful. :metal
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I like it a lot. This is shaping up to be a great album, judging from those two songs so far any way.
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I like it a lot. This is shaping up to be a great album, judging from those two songs so far any way.
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What did you listen to?
Whatever "most of their stuff" was 10 years ago. Pretty sure I remember The Odyssey, and I think V, but I won't swear to it.
I would try one of two things:
1. Listen to The Odyssey (entire album) twice. If that doesn't do it for you, don't bother. They probably aren't for you.
2. Listen to Prelude->Evolution (The Grand Design) from V, preferably while driving. If you can either (1) stay under the speed limit, or (2) deny that this isn't one of the most beastly album openings ever, don't bother. They probably aren't for you.
I will definitely try 1.
And maybe 2.
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A grower, but a good song.
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A bit diffrent and straight forward. Again so nice hearing Russell sing clean. Love Romeos solo. Pumped for this release.
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What did you listen to?
I would try one of two things:
1. Listen to The Odyssey (entire album) twice. If that doesn't do it for you, don't bother. They probably aren't for you.
2. Listen to Prelude->Evolution (The Grand Design) from V, preferably while driving. If you can either (1) stay under the speed limit, or (2) deny that this isn't one of the most beastly album openings ever, don't bother. They probably aren't for you.
impressively accurately perfectly advicely.
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Really like the new song. Pretty cool that Russell is going back to a more clean style
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Serious lack of keyboards, but otherwise a good song.
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Lack of keyboards? really? I think they´re all over the song. That´s it, I´m sold! It´s going to be a great summer!
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Sounds like one of the more poppier songs they've written yet. I quite like it, but I'm still bummed about the PL/IC production. I liked the band way better without those mechanical sounding drums. And I think Bogren might not even have much to do with it, as his mix for Leprous' new album sounds way more organic.
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bosky, I listened to The Odyssey once through. That was enough for me.
While it is easy to see that these guys are very talented and good at what they do, what they do doesn't resonate with me.
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Is anybody else having a hard time finding the singles on iTunes? Im pretty sure theyre supposed to be there since theyre on amazon mp3 and nuclear blast's mp3 download site.
I hate having to load up the youtube videos every time i want to listen to the songs on the road
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No you're right, they don't appear to be on iTunes at all as far as I can tell.
They are on Spotify however and streaming on Spotify Mobile is free now.
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bosky, I listened to The Odyssey once through. That was enough for me.
While it is easy to see that these guys are very talented and good at what they do, what they do doesn't resonate with me.
You could also give The divine Wings of Tragedy one last spin. It is their equivalent to Images and Words. If it doesn't resonate with you, you can ignore the band for good.
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We'll see.
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bosky, I listened to The Odyssey once through. That was enough for me.
While it is easy to see that these guys are very talented and good at what they do, what they do doesn't resonate with me.
You could also give The divine Wings of Tragedy one last spin. It is their equivalent to Images and Words. If it doesn't resonate with you, you can ignore the band for good.
Eh, if The Odyssey doesn't do it for you I don't know if SX is for you. Divine Wings is pretty much just Odyssey-lite.
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Russell Allen just sounds bored so far on both songs released. Anyone else getting that feeling too?
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bosky, I listened to The Odyssey once through. That was enough for me.
While it is easy to see that these guys are very talented and good at what they do, what they do doesn't resonate with me.
You could also give The divine Wings of Tragedy one last spin. It is their equivalent to Images and Words. If it doesn't resonate with you, you can ignore the band for good.
Eh, if The Odyssey doesn't do it for you I don't know if SX is for you. Divine Wings is pretty much just Odyssey-lite.
I agree. I mean, it is a fair point that the band's sound has evolved and changed somewhat over time. But The Odyssey is a good cross section of most aspects of the band that most fans like. If that album didn't resonate with you, I have a hard time saying "well, but then you should try __________ because that will definitely persuade you." If you listened to that album, you've more than given them a fair shake, IMO.
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Yeah, I figured.
Like I said, they are obviously good at what they do, but what they are good at doesn't work for me.
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Second song they release that does nothing for me. Oh well...
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I'm now listened to those 2 new songs quite a few times so I could say a few words. Nevermore is okay SX song, I can imagine it to be on my playlist in the future. I think it's like Set the World on Fire #2. Without You is like a leftover song from PL or Iconoclast era. It doesn't do anything special for me. The problem with these both songs is that they have done that earlier.. It's like they haven't grow up really well from a last decade...
Overall I have to say I'm quite disappointed to these singles because the reviews have highlighted that this album will be more melodic and Odyssey/V-era-sounding album.. I still have high hopes for the rest but they really need to develop their sound or go back to big orchestrations like Odyssey.. I'm afraid this will be a bunch of leftover sounding songs but we'll see...
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"Without You" has me addicted. Been listening to it over and over. Catchy song!
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"Without You" has me addicted. Been listening to it over and over. Catchy song!
Been listening to both Without You and Nevermore often. Looking forward to this release
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"Without You" has me addicted. Been listening to it over and over. Catchy song!
Been listening to both Without You and Nevermore often. Looking forward to this release
Same here! I know I'm a bit late, but Nevermore sounds to me like a song out of The Oddyssey, but with Iconoclast's production. And Without You feels like the Accolade II mixed with When All Is Lost or something like that. The Oddyssey vibe I'm getting from those 2 songs is making pretty excited about this release :metal
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10 more days till release in the US. I'm stoked!
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Did anyone ever hear about a deluxe edition? Amazon was just listing a regular one disc
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Did anyone ever hear about a deluxe edition? Amazon was just listing a regular one disc
I don't think there is one mate.
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There is no deluxe release, only the CD, vinyl and bundles.
No Japanese bonus track either.
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Good :)
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The new songs ain't doing much for me so far, but I'm excited about the new album and will definitely be going to catch them on tour, they're always an amazing band to see live, Russell is the greatest showman I've ever seen, bar none!
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There is no deluxe release, only the CD, vinyl and bundles.
No Japanese bonus track either.
Revolutionary!
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There is no deluxe release, only the CD, vinyl and bundles.
No Japanese bonus track either.
Revolutionary!
Good, indeed, as this means that there's no incentive for me to want to pre-order early for any sort of bonuses. I did for the last album to get the signed photo of the band and the t-shirt, along with the deluxe edition of the album, but with nothing else really tempting me on this release, I can wait a month or two before buying it, which is fine by me!
-Marc.
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There is no deluxe release, only the CD, vinyl and bundles.
No Japanese bonus track either.
Revolutionary!
Good, indeed, as this means that there's no incentive for me to want to pre-order early for any sort of bonuses. I did for the last album to get the signed photo of the band and the t-shirt, along with the deluxe edition of the album, but with nothing else really tempting me on this release, I can wait a month or two before buying it, which is fine by me!
-Marc.
Now you have room in the budget for the [Morse]Fest set. Too bad they won't bundle the 4 CDs with the BluRays. That drives me nuts.
July 21st is preorder madness at Radiant, 8AM CST! (yikes!)
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Only a few more days until the new album! Haven't listened to either of the new singles, but it sounds like they are getting some positive reviews.
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less than two days!!!
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less than two days!!!
:metal It's been a while since I've been really pumped for an SX release but I'm really on board for this one - I have a feeling it might be right up there with my favourites.
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less than two days!!!
:metal It's been a while since I've been really pumped for an SX release but I'm really on board for this one - I have a feeling it might be right up there with my favourites.
But.... but.... it's prog metal.
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I really hope I can get this instore this weekend.
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Post #18,000 coming up. Make it a good one!
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less than two days!!!
:metal It's been a while since I've been really pumped for an SX release but I'm really on board for this one - I have a feeling it might be right up there with my favourites.
But.... but.... it's prog metal.
But......but.... it's good. Most isn't. ;D
DWOT was high up inside my all time Top 50 , so if it all comes together I will be very much into it.
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Post #18,000 coming up. Make it a good one!
:hat
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A celebratory spliff in advance - nice ;D
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I really hope I can get this instore this weekend.
Apparently the local release has been delayed a week.
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New SX assaulting my ears is imminent :hat
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I really hope I can get this instore this weekend.
Apparently the local release has been delayed a week.
Fuck.
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What do you mean by "Local" release? According to Amazon the release date is still 7/24.
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I really hope I can get this instore this weekend.
Apparently the local release has been delayed a week.
Fuck.
Now there's a memorable post for #18,000! lol
Digital download baby... will be here first thing tomorrow morning.
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I have just finished my first listen - this type of album will need a few listens to rate properly but preliminary rating = 90%
It's not the easiest album to describe in terms of their past work as it incorporates bits of everything and perhaps tries to be a reflection of all of their strengths - a bit like DT attempted with DT 12 perhaps , but I won't try and get that one up. :lol
On the whole it has the more straight forward song structures of Paradise Lost and Iconoclast melded together with the more grand, melodic style of earlier albums. When they attempt to go epic it doesn't really work as well as it did on albums like DWOT ...........nothing in the same class as The Accolade etc... but that's no surprise. All band members are in great form , Russell is really singing nice and aggressive but clean and the production is fantastic.
The opener is an intro in the vein of FAS ,so we have 10 vocal songs in all. I can divide them into three groups - the opening three (which include the two pre-release tracks) are great and had me all fired up . Then there was a bit of a lull across the next 4 songs.........there is ZERO bad here , just degrees of good.....they just didn't totally click for me. And then we close out with another three killers. Swansong (no 10) was a struggle initially as it's trying (and failing again) in some parts to be really epic but it has enough good parts to it to qualify for "killer" rating.
The one track I hadn't heard which stands out to me is Run With The Devil. It's a heavy , funky, proggy monster of a track that has a really nice melodic chorus as relief from all the shredding.
I think this album will end up top 3 for me in the end. They won't top DWOT in my ratings but this album's style is made for me - it's proggy without meandering around, heavy and melodic. And one of those rare things - a new album I want to play again straight up.
EDIT : I can see this going up at least a few rating points on 2nd listen as the midsection tracks are connecting with me a lot better this time around.
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Russell is singing again! :metal
The album is really good, their best work for me since V.
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Where would you rank the two released songs in the album, approximately?
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your first listen, bl5150. I'm pretty psyched! SX only releases an album every four years, so I'm going to savor every song during my first listen when the album arrives!
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I checked the album this morning and I wouldn't say it's among their best works. However, I can't think of an album I liked at first :P
Some great songs, some, I found, familiar bits from last two albums. Maybe it's that guitar tone and even though I like it and Romeo's playing, many of his riffs on last last three albums sound samey.
But it's just first listen and I will spin it again tomorrow, surely.
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Pretty much the same production again.. why oh why do they keep doing that. It makes the last three SymX albums sound all the same. Musically I'm liking it a bit more though than both PL and IC.
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I get where people are coming from with it sounding similar to Paradise Lost and Iconoclast sonically - the vibe is definitely similar - but I think this one is sounding a lot better than both of them sonically. However, it should be noted that I'm not usually bothered by production, unless it's, like, Nattens Madrigal.
In terms of songs, this sounds better than Iconoclast and worse than PL so far, but I'm hoping that once I hit the second half that it will pick up, as Brent said that it will - currently only on Charon. Underworld is an early favourite, but no song is bad, so that's something.
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90% rating from Brent is very good to hear!
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Ok, so.
I finished my first listen.
And maybe I'm just not in a Symphony X mood at the moment, but the longer it went on, the more boring it got. Swansong is the one exception, that song is excellent, but other than that, there was nothing that remembered from the songs after Without You.
I'll have another listen tomorrow, see if my opinion changes. I hope it does.
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Just preordered my copy at Amazon. Geez only $10! :tup
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It still feels like too much of the same 'badass' metal stuff to me.. The Odyssey introduced that some more, but that album still was proggy as hell. And I really enjoyed their neo-classical / power metal influence, even though I cannot stand that style most of the time. That's what made them unique in my book, anyway.
Have to give credit for reintroducing more clean vocals and a bit more musical diversity though.. it's just not my cup of tea I'm afraid.
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Just preordered my copy at Amazon. Geez only $10! :tup
I'm really hoping it will be available at HMV tommorow. Seems like a release that should have a least half dozen copies ordered in
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Just preordered my copy at Amazon. Geez only $10! :tup
I'm really hoping it will be available at HMV tommorow. Seems like a release that should have a least half dozen copies ordered in
I am buying exclusively at Amazon now. The record store closest to me closed. And that was still 3 exits away on the highway. Actually buying a lot of mp3 albums, but I'm getting a hard copy of this.
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Symphony X is the #1 best seller in metal on amazon.........thats awesome!
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90% rating from Brent is very good to hear!
My thoughts exactly. Surprising to say the least. Looks like he's moving into mr.com territory. ;)
I really hope I can get this instore this weekend.
Apparently the local release has been delayed a week.
Fuck.
Now there's a memorable post for #18,000! lol
Digital download baby... will be here first thing tomorrow morning.
I thought that haha. Yeah, I can easily download it, but with bands I know I'm gonna buy their album, I love going to the store and buying without hearing it.
It still lists on Jb Hi Fi as today is the release day though, so I'm not sure.
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Just preordered my copy at Amazon. Geez only $10! :tup
I'm really hoping it will be available at HMV tommorow. Seems like a release that should have a least half dozen copies ordered in
I am buying exclusively at Amazon now. The record store closest to me closed. And that was still 3 exits away on the highway. Actually buying a lot of mp3 albums, but I'm getting a hard copy of this.
I'm gonna just spotify listen to this until September, when I go see them in concert. They're playing in Niagara Falls NY, about 5 minutes from one of the border crossings.
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Listened to the new album a couple times now and it's very good but I prefer the previous two a bit more. My early favorite track is definitely Charon because of the awesome Middle Eastern melody.
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Wolfking - Utopia emailed me today, they have the local version in stock, no delay after all.
Listening now, killer so far.
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It still feels like too much of the same 'badass' metal stuff to me.. The Odyssey introduced that some more, but that album still was proggy as hell. And I really enjoyed their neo-classical / power metal influence, even though I cannot stand that style most of the time. That's what made them unique in my book, anyway.
Have to give credit for reintroducing more clean vocals and a bit more musical diversity though.. it's just not my cup of tea I'm afraid.
PixelDream summarised my thoughts better than I myself could. I'll just quote him.
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I wasn't such a big fan of it. It all just blurs together like Iconoclast does, although I'd say this album is better.
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Wolfking - Utopia emailed me today, they have the local version in stock, no delay after all.
Listening now, killer so far.
Good stuff mate, thanks. Just hope JB has it for me tomorrow.
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First listen here as well. Sounds killer so far to me. :metal
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First listen here as well. Sounds killer so far to me. :metal
This.
I had a listen to Iconoclast yesterday. In and of itself, it was pretty enjoyable... far better than what I remembered. 2nd Disc was mediocre at best, but the first had some really standout songs.
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Listened through a couple of times now, but this is still very much "first thoughts" from me - I'll need to have listened to it quite a lot for a more settled opinion.
There's that album review cliche that basically says "If you're a fan you'll like this, if you're not a fan you won't", but it kind of applies here. People that complained ad nauseam about Paradise Lost and Iconoclast likely won't find anything significantly different here (they suddenly started sounding like pre-Odyssey Symphony X). I think there is more variety than on Iconoclast and also more of Russell Allen's "clean" singing (which were the two criticisms of Iconoclast I really sympathised with), but the overall production sound and Russell Allen's singing is still very much in line with the past two albums, I would say. If you like anything from PL and Iconoclast then there will definitely be lots to enjoy from Underworld, but if you're hoping for TDWOT part 2 then you'll be disappointed.
Personally I love PL and Iconoclast, I put them on a similar tier to V and The Odyssey as my favourite Symphony X albums, and my overall impression of this album is that it is similarly strong. My main issue is that for me, my appreciation of Symphony X is very dependent on their few very best songs (which, yes, are typically the more "epic" ones). For example I can take or leave a lot of the lesser songs on TDWOT and The Odyssey, but the epic title tracks of those albums more than make up for that. On my first couple of listens, although basically all of the songs on Underworld sound good, I'm not sure if there is an individual song that sounds like a real Symphony X great (the way When All Is Lost was on Iconoclast, which made up for the fact that a lot of the album, though solid, was quite samey). It might just take a bit of time for me to put any song on that level though. For the individual songs:
Overture - Classic Symphony X opening similar to Oculus Ex Inferni. On first listen this sounded great and got me really pumped up for the album, but honestly I tend not to revisit these intro tracks that much. It had a great segue into Nevermore.
Nevermore - I was really impressed with this as a single - quite a standard Symphony X single, but the riff and verses are very energetic, I love the vocals of the pre-chorus and chorus and it has a great solo section. I listened to this one a lot in the past couple of months even though I try not to over-listen to singles.
Underworld - This one was very dark, very heavy in parts but with lots of keyboards. It has the feel of an epic although it's only 5 minutes or so long.
Without You - Most people have probably heard this one already. I like this one, it does add quite a bit of variety to the start of the album and the great instrumental stuff elevate it beyond a simple ballad, though it's not quite an epic Accolade status.
Kiss Of Fire - This one could fit on Paradise Lost imo, very fast and heavy from the start punctuated by choir vocals. The chorus is quite unique, based around the same fast riff and choir vocals. Good outro with a bit more orchestral and choir.
Charon - Begins with an Iconoclast-sounding riff, but overall this one was pretty reminiscent of classic Symphony X of V or TDWOT, with an eastern kind of sound. It has a great outro solo section - I wonder if it might have been better in the middle of the song, since the solo section was pretty much balls to the wall stuff, but it has space enough at the end of the song I suppose.
To Hell In Back - This is a bit of an epic, but a purely rock / metal kind of epic rather than a more symphonic one. It's a good song but a slight disappointment for me on first listen just because of the song length tag it carried and the fact that my favourite song from every Symphony X album is either the longest or second longest. Big melodic intro, solid verse and a big chorus, a melodic solo and a soft vocal part, then a completely new section with a fast and heavy verse riff and its own big chorus, which is pretty catchy. I think this is one of the best songs on the album, it is just quite different to what I expected.
In My Darkest Hour - Not a huge amount to say about this one, a solid song on first listen though.
Run With The Devil - Not too sure about this one - the vocals in the verse sound very different, I find it hard to believe it's Russell. I don't know if they're bad necessarily, it is just weird, and it kind of distracts me from the song. It's certainly unique and energetic, not one of my favourites on first couple of listens though.
Swansong - This one was great, quite classic Symphony X, and the middle of the song especially is one of the best parts. The chorus didn't really stand out to me though, and it is a pretty key part for a song like this. If the chorus clicks for me then I think it has potential to be one of my favourites.
Legend - I loved this song from the first listen. I think it may be the real epic from the album, despite it's somewhat modest runtime. Blistering progressive sounding stuff throughout. The vocals in the verse sound a bit like 80s metal to me, which generally is not my thing, but it is good here. The chorus is pretty different, and it feels like there's quite a lot of changes in this song. There's a vocal motif in the middle of the song and at the end that reminds me of The Accolade - it is not a stripped down section like what was done in that song and When All Is Lost though, just the vocals. This was a really solid end to the album, and is probably my favourite song on first listen.
Initial Standouts:
Legend
Swansong
To Hell And Back
Charon
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I am confused. Is this out today? New album releases in the U.S. are on Tuesdays, but Amazon lists today's date. What's the scoop?
The Odyssey introduced that some more, but that album still was proggy as hell.
Thanks for awakening my Symphony X fan pet peeve. I HATE when people use "prog" to describe Symphony X. I don't find them to be anywhere near the prog genre. You were dead on in using "neo-classical / power metal influence," so I'm not sure how you went from that to "proggy" in the same post. /rant
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Albums are now being released on Friday's everywhere. I'll download this off Amazon when I get home from work. I don't mind the Iconoclast comparisons considering I loved that album.
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Well my CD arrived today and it was available to download after midnight last night... 24 July is the only release date I see for it online so I assumed that was the US release date as well as the UK one.
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It's available on HD Tracks as well...although sampling is 48Khz/24bits
https://www.hdtracks.com/symphony-x-underworld
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It's available on HD Tracks as well...although sampling is 48Khz/24bits
https://www.hdtracks.com/symphony-x-underworld
I doubt it, but any idea if this is a different mastering?
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I am confused. Is this out today? New album releases in the U.S. are on Tuesdays, but Amazon lists today's date. What's the scoop?
The Odyssey introduced that some more, but that album still was proggy as hell.
Thanks for awakening my Symphony X fan pet peeve. I HATE when people use "prog" to describe Symphony X. I don't find them to be anywhere near the prog genre. You were dead on in using "neo-classical / power metal influence," so I'm not sure how you went from that to "proggy" in the same post. /rant
I'd disagree with you, but mostly because I probably have a different idea of what it means to be "prog", and that's a whole other discussion.
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It's available on HD Tracks as well...although sampling is 48Khz/24bits
https://www.hdtracks.com/symphony-x-underworld
I doubt it, but any idea if this is a different mastering?
Not sure. I hope not but the mix so far sounds pretty awesome on CD! :metal
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Albums are now being released on Friday's everywhere. I'll download this off Amazon when I get home from work. I don't mind the Iconoclast comparisons considering I loved that album.
I just downloaded it today from iTunes. After the first listen, there are a lot of similarities to Iconoclast. Not sure yet if this will be a problem for me because it's been 5 years. After that much time, you'd think they would try to do some things differently. People were calling Iconoclast "samey" sounding. What do you call an album that sounds like Iconoclast? Not sure how to feel about this album just yet...
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I was so wrong. Every song on the album is at least good, no fillers. Nevermore and To Hell And Back are probably my favorites so far.
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I have it on low in the background while I am at work, so I can't say I am even pretending to give it a good, fair listen yet. But I am enjoying what I am hearing.
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Random question, but in the album booklet, the picture by the lyrics of Swan Song looks incredibly familiar. I feel liked it's based off another picture, but I can't for the life of me remember the original. Any help?
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It is going to take a few more listens for it to fully grow on me, but I am definitely liking Underworld so far. I would rank it 5th, in the dead center of their discography.
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HMV didn't have it, so ordered it from amazon. Will get it Monday.
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My order from Nuclear Blast is held up in Los Angeles :facepalm: apparently LA is like the fucking Bermuda Triangle for mail packages. Ive had the album digitally from iTunes since Thursday night, but I really want a physical copy. And I REALLY dont want to have to buy this album three damn times. Its good, but I already bought it twice and thats enough for me. Has anyone else had this problem with packages getting stuck in LA? I remember lots of peoples pre-orders for BTBAM's new album getting stuck in LA and thats been 2 weeks ago.
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I'm on my first listen right now, and Kiss of Fire is really awesome!
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KIISSS OF FIIIREEEE :metal
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Meh. It's slightly better than Iconoclast, but it's still a massive drop off from DWoT through Oddyssy. Russell Allen is too good to be used in such a straight forward manner. Only Opeth has managed to ram a bigger dildo up their own asses in terms of ruining their band lately.
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I've been enjoying the heck out of this album. Romeo's guitar riffs are just insane on this record. I kind of like the combination of angry Russ and singing Russ on some of the songs. Only thing that kind of disappoints me is that the keys are buried deep in the mix on some songs. Hard to distinguish. Would of liked a couple of extra Pinnella solo's on the album as well. The intro to Legends sounds very Rush, which is I think a first for Symphony X to show this.I was reading the booklet and a lot of the lyrics were written by Romeo/Lepond. Is this a first? I thought it was mainly Romeo/Allen.
Legend's might by SyX's Pull Me Under...lol
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well colour me surprised, I'm enjoying this album.
Russell Allen singing again. I was listening to Magnus Karlsson's Freefall and Allen/Lande (the good ones not the Tolkki crap) yesterday and loved how Russ sings on it and here he is with some great melodies to work with.
Good stuff.
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I'm liking all of these positive reviews!
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First time listen, four tracks in, and I'm really enjoying this. Well done Symphony X!
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Listening for the first time. Reminds me heavily of PL, which is a good thing. The booklet has some amazing artwork.
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Meh. It's slightly better than Iconoclast, but it's still a massive drop off from DWoT through Oddyssy. Russell Allen is too good to be used in such a straight forward manner. Only Opeth has managed to ram a bigger dildo up their own asses in terms of ruining their band lately.
Comparing albums to DWoT and Odyssey is hardly fair. Those are God-tier albums. It's virtually impossible to top those, so I've been listening with a clean slate. I revistited Iconoclast and PL, and found them more enjoyable than I did originally (when comparing them to the previous releases. Only 2 listens in with Underworld, and I'm really enjoying it.
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This seems like it's gonna take quite a few listens to really get the head around.
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This album has grown on me a lot. At this time, my favorite tracks are Kiss of Fire, Charon, and Legend.
Updated Rankings:
1. Paradise Lost
2. The Damnation Game
3. Twilight in Olympus
4. Underworld
5. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
6. V
7. Iconoclast
8. The Odyssey
9. Symphony X
This album may eventually come to surpass TiO, but I highly doubt that it could beat tDG.
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Wow... those are the oddest S-X rankings I've ever seen. About the only thing we have in common is the s/t being dead last.
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Well, I like my top 4 from start to finish. Every album after that has at least one major flaw that brings them down for me, even though I may prefer their very best moments to anything in my top 4.
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Hot damn the verse riff in Run With The Devil is groovy, some of the grooviest shit i've heard from SX.
Actually the riff after the intro is the one i'm talking about. Really cool stuff!
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Am liking the new album very much,and Allen's vocals are awesome,but Pinella's keys are all but missing g ! This began with Iconoclast,and has continued with Underworld.It's a shame because he can really play!On the plus side the artwork and booklet are superb!
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Still really enjoying the new album. While I was at it I thought I would have a listen to Pinella's recent solo album and it's one of the most boring instrumental albums I have heard.
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Still really enjoying the new album. While I was at it I thought I would have a listen to Pinella's recent solo album and it's one of the most boring instrumental albums I have heard.
I'm actually thinking that about the new Satch as I listen to it for the first time.
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Still really enjoying the new album. While I was at it I thought I would have a listen to Pinella's recent solo album and it's one of the most boring instrumental albums I have heard.
Nearly picked up Pinellas's album a while back,but read some really ropey reviews of it,so gave it a miss!
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Still really enjoying the new album. While I was at it I thought I would have a listen to Pinella's recent solo album and it's one of the most boring instrumental albums I have heard.
I'm actually thinking that about the new Satch as I listen to it for the first time.
The 2nd half was a lot stronger and had a bit more edge to it , but yeah...............I thought it was decent but more mood music than the sort of playing I associate with Satriani.
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He's gone really soft IMO. Stop this funky blues crap and get back to some hard freaking rock.
Anyway back on topic, enjoying the new album, even if I do feel the variety in SX's music is starting to lack. Everything sounds pretty much the same to me at this stage, but again, you can't fault what's on offer here.
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One listen in and I'm not sure what to think yet. It will take a few more listens to see if it grows on me. There were a handful of songs that did nothing for me on first listen but are pretty awesome. I will say that Sir Russell SLAYS on this record. Probably my favorite performance of his to date. Very diverse and he really hits the necessary style for each song. From an album ranking perspective I'm not sure where this will end up. I'm guessing middle of the road though I'm pretty sure it won't surpass Iconoclast or V.
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...even if I do feel the variety in SX's music is starting to lack. Everything sounds pretty much the same to me at this stage...
Really? I had that complaint for the last two albums, but this one immediately struck me as much more diverse.
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Yeah I would say this album is pretty much as diverse as their older material. On the whole it's a pretty nice album - nothing mind-blowing but solid. Very nice sound too, IMO.
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...even if I do feel the variety in SX's music is starting to lack. Everything sounds pretty much the same to me at this stage...
Really? I had that complaint for the last two albums, but this one immediately struck me as much more diverse.
Agreed with Bosk. Not sure what you're hearing Kade.
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...even if I do feel the variety in SX's music is starting to lack. Everything sounds pretty much the same to me at this stage...
Really? I had that complaint for the last two albums, but this one immediately struck me as much more diverse.
Agreed with Bosk. Not sure what you're hearing Kade.
Also, Paradise Lost is pretty good IMO. Not TDWOT good but it is more than listenable. It was even my favorite by SX few years ago. Iconoclast is not bad either but unfortunately, it's unlikely we're going to get album similar to pre-PL albums.
Also, I can't recall are there any choir sounds on Underworld but I hate those :D
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Am liking the new album very much,and Allen's vocals are awesome,but Pinella's keys are all but missing g ! This began with Iconoclast,and has continued with Underworld.It's a shame because he can really play!On the plus side the artwork and booklet are superb!
What? I get that he's not forward in the same way as he was in the old style, if that's what you mean, but his keys are all over every song, and often take the lead melody! Plus he seems to get a lot of duelling solos. I find he sits very well considering the style change from PL forward. It's certainly much more prevalent than, say, JR on Train of Thought.
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Ok, so.
I listened to this again, and the middle basically kills the album for me. Kiss of Fire, Charon and In My Darkest Hour are all hugely forgettable. The rest ranges from good to amazing, but those three songs just draaaaaaaag.
Better than Iconoclast and the s/t, and that's about it though. Still a good album, but nowhere near the brilliance of the run that was TDG - PL.
EDIT: To end on a positive note, Underworld and Swansong are fucking killer.
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I am really digging Legend, which I don't believe I have seen referenced much so far.
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Ok, so.
I listened to this again, and the middle basically kills the album for me. Kiss of Fire, Charon and In My Darkest Hour are all hugely forgettable. The rest ranges from good to amazing, but those three songs just draaaaaaaag.
Better than Iconoclast and the s/t, and that's about it though. Still a good album, but nowhere near the brilliance of the run that was TDG - PL.
EDIT: To end on a positive note, Underworld and Swansong are fucking killer.
I agree that those are the three weakest tracks, though Charon is growing on me. Kiss of Fire is forgettable.
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Ok, so.
I listened to this again, and the middle basically kills the album for me. Kiss of Fire, Charon and In My Darkest Hour are all hugely forgettable. The rest ranges from good to amazing, but those three songs just draaaaaaaag.
Better than Iconoclast and the s/t, and that's about it though. Still a good album, but nowhere near the brilliance of the run that was TDG - PL.
EDIT: To end on a positive note, Underworld and Swansong are fucking killer.
Agreed. Given some of the positives from other boards I'm kind of disappointed in this. I like it better than Iconoclast but compared to their classics, no thanks. The last two are really the only times they got me saying "wow, now this is the Symphony X that I love". The rest I like but I would seriously be forcing it to state that I like it as much as Divine Wings - V.
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...even if I do feel the variety in SX's music is starting to lack. Everything sounds pretty much the same to me at this stage...
Really? I had that complaint for the last two albums, but this one immediately struck me as much more diverse.
Agreed with Bosk. Not sure what you're hearing Kade.
I've only listened to it twice, so I need to get my head around it more. I can tell the songs are more diverse but I think Romeo in his riffs and solos is getting a little samey. I liking it but as I said need to listen more.
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I'm loving this disc. Very happy and impressed with what I'm hearing.
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Given some of the positives from other boards I'm kind of disappointed in this. I like it better than Iconoclast but compared to their classics, no thanks. The last two are really the only times they got me saying "wow, now this is the Symphony X that I love". The rest I like but I would seriously be forcing it to state that I like it as much as Divine Wings - V.
You might have an awful handle and taste in football, but at least you know where to find the proper SyX albums.
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I'm loving this disc. Very happy and impressed with what I'm hearing.
Not the biggest SX fan here, but I am liking this a lot.
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My feelings about this album are very similar to what I felt about DT12. One of their most consistent albums, no songs I hate, but no songs I would rank among their best.
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Here's the Metal Reviews review:
https://www.metalreviews.com/reviews/album/9208
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Zyzzyva17, after seeing your sig for a couple of times, I just had to grab my guitar and play those chords. Nice one man. Love that song.
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Zyzzyva17, after seeing your sig for a couple of times, I just had to grab my guitar and play those chords. Nice one man. Love that song.
Thought it was appropriate for this forum.
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What song is it?
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What song is it?
The Spirit Carries On, and technically every other track on the album that features those chords.
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If you Google those chords, The Spirit Carries On is the first result.
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I sort of retract my comments earlier a little bit. This definitely has a more open and varied feel than the last two, and the record sounds great. The riffs are classic Symphony X but the more I listen the more the songs are taking on their own identity.
The solo to Charon is one of the coolest things Romeo has done, and it was sounding like something I'd heard before, which was bugging me, but I finally got it. Check out Romeo's solo in Kotipelto's song Beginning haha.
Also, each time Hell and Back starts I get confused for a minute thinking it's UAGM.
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Anyone else stuck with the 'sometimes I feel...' chorus in his/her head? Man, that sticks in the brain!
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Anyone else stuck with the 'sometimes I feel...' chorus in his/her head? Man, that sticks in the brain!
Totally :D unfortunately, I overplayed that song when it was released as a single. But I didn't like Nevermore at first. Now I have it's chorus in head :P
Starting today, I'll give this album some rest, don't want to overplay it :D
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Kiss of Fire is fucking killer. That song just RIPS.
Still kinda new to SX. Only have Paradise Lost, Iconoclast and this one. Iconoclast is my favorite at the moment, but this one's really good so far.
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After listening to this one more (and also relistening to a few older Symphony X albums) I think I'd rate this one between Paradise Lost and Iconoclast, probably below V and The Odyssey. There really is a lot of variety, all of the songs are solid and have something interesting going on, and the overall sound is really good, better than Paradise Lost (where perhaps the guitars were a bit too loud), similar to Iconoclast but with a more varied selection of songs. But though I think the album overall leaves a good impression, I'm not sure if it has any songs I'd rank among their very best. Not much on it gave me the feeling of listening to When All Is Lost for the first time, or the instrumental section of Revelation, for example. The mid section and finale of Legend comes close though.
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On this album, Romeo delivers amazing guitar solos more consistently than he has on any album since The Damnation Game. This record is really growing on me. I still rank it fourth, just below Twilight in Olympus, though it and TiO are really close.
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I'm liking this. Favourites so far: Nevermore, Without You, Kiss Of Fire, and Charon.
Oh and Russell Allen slays on the title track (especially "Stealing their last dying breath!") :metal
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5 great things about Underworld:
1. The production is killer.
2. Riffs, riffs, riffs! For example: Run With The Devil and Nevermore.
3. Solos! Romeo has some serious moments on this album.
4. Choruses, some really great ones like Underworld, Without You, Run With The Devil, In My Darkest Hours.
5. Last but not least Russell F'kin Allen! Nails everything on this album if you ask me. High, low, gritty or clean, he does it all. Probably one of his best vocal performances on album with SX.
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I'm still trying to decide which track is my favourite. So many good ones.
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:iagree:
with the above two posts
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It's not hard to see why people feel that the production is amazing. It's way too mechanic for me though, everything louder than everything else, almost no reverb to give every instruments its own space. I even like The Odyssey's dead sounding production better than this. They should give someone else a try after three albums with Bogren that all sound pretty much the same.
On a more positive note, I've warmed up to the album's songwriting and I think Russell Allen is definitely on top of his game here.
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This is really growing on me. Songs opening up in a good good way.
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Charon and To hell and back are badass songs.
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The album gets better and better for me. :metal
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Charon is the only song that isn't hitting me yet. I'll give it another spin.
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I've never really listened to Symphony X before, but I checked out the new album and I dig it!
Any suggests as to what I should listen to next in their catalog? I was thinking about just starting at the beginning and working my way through chronologically...
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If you like the heavier side of the album I would check out Iconoclast. If you want the more "classic" "prog/metal" SX check out The Odyssey and Divine Wings. V is amazing but probably not a great place to start. Honestly, all of their albums are really good. The weakest for me are Damnation Game and Twilight in Olympus. Good, but not great. Ignore the self titled debut unless you're a completest.
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I've never really listened to Symphony X before, but I checked out the new album and I dig it!
Any suggests as to what I should listen to next in their catalog? I was thinking about just starting at the beginning and working my way through chronologically...
Not such a great idea imo - their debut Symphony X has a bit more of a demo feel, a different singer, generally regarded as being much weaker songs... The album after that (The Damnation Game) they have Russell Allen, better production and it has a few real gems, but I would say that they really hit their stride with The Divine Wings Of Tragedy. It's the equivalent of Images And Words for Symphony X, as in the one that really established them, epitomises their "classic sound" and is the favourite of a lot of long time fans. If you wanted a feel of starting from near the beginning I'd suggest starting there, going back to The Damnation Game (and then maybe self titled) later. For something that sounds more similar to the new album, Paradise Lost or Iconoclast.
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I'm really liking this release as well. Like with many releases, this could take a little time to really grasp but Charon and Swan Song are my early favorites!
Great sound/production as well! I think DT12 would have sounded amazing if it was similar to this production.
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Thanks for the tips guys! I think I'll check out Divine Wings on Spotify, it sounds like a good place to start.
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Personally, I don't care for it. But it is definitely a fan favorite, so I cannot say NOT to check it out. The only real caveat I will add is that it may sound dated to you. The production and general sound on Paradise Lost and Iconoclast sound very modern, but the problem with those albums is that they are both very "one dimensional." To me, V and The Odyssey both hit that sweet spot of balancing sound and production that don't sound too outdated, and also showing more of the band's diversity than PL and Iconoclast. Prior to Underworld, if someone asked me where to start with Symphony X, I would definitely have recommended those two albums.
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Twilight in Olympus is my favourite of their albums, but yeah, Divine Wings is probably the best starting point.
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I always thought The Odyssey's sound was pretty terrible, especially after V. There was absolutely no "breath" to it, I couldn't really listen to it with headphones for more than a couple of songs.
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I got into SymX with the album V, and it has always been my favorite. It's overkill on all fronts, I love it. One of the cheesiest albums I've ever heard, but one of the best when it comes to all-out neoclassical symphonic metal.
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Starting from the epic ("To Hell and Back"), this album just keeps that high note going. It's a killer run of songs right til the last note of "Legend." Incredible!
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Starting from the epic ("To Hell and Back"), this album just keeps that high note going. It's a killer run of songs right til the last note of "Legend." Incredible!
What last note of Legend?
;D
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I was finally able to listen to this album a few times, and although Romeo does a great job of saving the planet with his riffs and solos, I still really like the album. It definitely put a smile on my face several times hearing Russell hit the high notes, and just do his classic Russellisms. Something not present on the last two.
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Ok, so I've listened to this album several times now, and I can honestly I'm really impressed. It's not only the most diverse album they've done in a while; there are elements of every previous era of the band present on this album. I can hear some stuff that is reminiscent of anything from Iconoclast back to the self-titled debut from the days of yore. As someone who has been a rabid Symphony X fan since 2000, this could, in time, become one of my favourites from the band's discography. Every track on here is solid, though my personal pick for the best of the lot would be Hell And Back. That song just fucking slays. I love the use of the Tron: Legacy theme in the opening/outro (I see what you did there, Romeo ;) ). There are plenty of other stand out tracks, most notably the title track, Without You, and especially Legend. But honestly, just about every song on here is a stand out track. If there is one weak track, it's Charon, but even that song has more good points then bad, and it seems to harken back to the likes of Eyes Of Medusa and Orion: The Hunter from the golden days. Seriously, this whole album kicks so much ass, it's not even funny.
Thank you, Symphony X. I've loved all your albums (though the first one is a bit of a tough listen), but I've been waiting for one like this, and you have not disappointed me.
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This album has done something neither of the two previous albums did: It has, at any given moment in my day, managed to have several songs stuck in my head. That is a very good sign.
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Got my preorder a couple of days ago and it hasn't left my CD player since.
Best Symphony X disc since "V: The New Mythology Suite"
Russell Allen sounds better than he has in years. Finally, a Symphony X album with some actual symphonic elements back in the music.
Definitely an album of the year contender for me.
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Well howdy stranger! Takes a great S-X album to lure you out, huh?
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Apparently my roulette wasn't good enough. :\
:)
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So what do you guitarists think about the Run with the devil main riff? I don't play guitar but that riff sounds so fun to play.
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Does the title track of this album remind anyone else of (a much better version of) Children of Bodom? The verses especially scream CoB.
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Well howdy stranger! Takes a great S-X album to lure you out, huh?
Hey There :biggrin:
Yeah, work is just swallowing me whole lately, with no end in sight.
Off on an Alaskan Cruise in two weeks, though :hat
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New album's really been growing on me. It's fantastic!
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Heard it today, it was very good.
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So this has been growing on me like mad, and the only song that I don't think much of right now is In My Darkest Hour. Seriously awesome album, all in all.
1. Twilight in Olympus
2. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
3. V: The New Mythology Suite
4. Underworld
The Odyssey
6. The Damnation Game
7. Paradise Lost
8. Iconoclast
9. s/t
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I've grown out of SX long ago but I still gave Underworld a listen,yeah I'm sure I'm out of it now.
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I've grown out of SX long ago but I still gave Underworld a listen,yeah I'm sure I'm out of it now.
grown out of Symphony X??
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I've grown out of SX long ago but I still gave Underworld a listen,yeah I'm sure I'm out of it now.
grown out of Symphony X??
It's a condescending way of saying he doesn't like that style of music anymore.
Us children can still enjoy it though.
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well I don't plan on growing out of amazing kick ass music anytime soon.
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well I don't plan on growing out of amazing kick ass music anytime soon.
Oh cool that's my favourite genre too
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I've grown out of SX long ago but I still gave Underworld a listen,yeah I'm sure I'm out of it now.
grown out of Symphony X??
It's a condescending way of saying he doesn't like that style of music anymore.
Us children can still enjoy it though.
Don't get me wrong,I still think that TDWOT and V are great albums. It's just that I never really feel like listening to SX anymore. SX are a very good band but their recent work just sounds uninspired to me so I just kinda stopped listening to them. I'd still love to see them live.
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I've grown out of SX long ago but I still gave Underworld a listen,yeah I'm sure I'm out of it now.
grown out of Symphony X??
It's a condescending way of saying he doesn't like that style of music anymore.
Us children can still enjoy it though.
Don't get me wrong,I still think that TDWOT and V are great albums. It's just that I never really feel like listening to SX anymore. SX are a very good band but their recent work just sounds uninspired to me so I just kinda stopped listening to them. I'd still love to see them live.
Underworld took several listens for me to get into and appreciate, but I'm comfortable in ranking it #2 below The Odyssey. This is a fantastic album. I do like several songs on Iconoclast, but like everyone has said, it lacked singing, and Russell is singing again on Underworld. If you only listened once and scrapped it, try it a few more times. If you like the two albums you mentioned, this album should be your thing as well. It's just way heavier, but still has plenty of dynamics.
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So I finally bought Underworld a few days ago and listened to it a quite a few times already and it's getting a better each time. However the album is not really what I expecting. I think there was an interview where the band said that for this album they would trim the fat and have more concise songs, but I think Iconoclast did a better job at that than Underworld. I feel there's quite a few twists here and there and some songs sometime go in unexpected directions. Like the part after the last chorus of Nevermore for example. I'm not complaining though! I was just a bit surpised the first time I listened to the album.
Also the packaging looks very nice. I really like the embossed sleeve...and I guess I'm the only one, but actually like the cover itself too.
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I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
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I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
Silent Assassins was one of my favorite albums of last year.
Why not have a live drummer? And if there's a follow up, will he use a live drummer?
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I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
Silent Assassins was one of my favorite albums of last year.
Why not have a live drummer? And if there's a follow up, will he use a live drummer?
Having said that - I reckon that was one of the most amazingly real sounding drum machines ever. Romeo did a great job.
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I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
can you ask if there are any plans for a new live album/dvd? Please and thanks!!
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I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
can you ask if there are any plans for a new live album/dvd? Please and thanks!!
Funnily enough, that was SX related question #1 on my mind. For a band (and especially singer) that are so amazing and consistent live, and for being on a label previously that LOVED live releases, it's mindblowing all they have is the lone live CD so long ago.
I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
Silent Assassins was one of my favorite albums of last year.
Why not have a live drummer? And if there's a follow up, will he use a live drummer?
Having said that - I reckon that was one of the most amazingly real sounding drum machines ever. Romeo did a great job.
I will touch on this for you. :)
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yeah and considering that there one and only live cd was 15 years ago, I think they are do for another.
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Yeah, and a DVD. :P
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Would be good to find out if they have any plans for a European tour!
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I will be talking to Mike LePond on Wednesday about Symphony X and Silent Assassins, so if you guys have any questions, let me know.
Silent Assassins was one of my favorite albums of last year.
Why not have a live drummer? And if there's a follow up, will he use a live drummer?
Having said that - I reckon that was one of the most amazingly real sounding drum machines ever. Romeo did a great job.
Yes, I have to agree with you.
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Yeah a live DVD/BR would be awesome.
And I love this album more with each listen.
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Yeah, Underworld is a step in the right direction after the two rather disappointing releases. They've cut down the ball-to-the-wall metal aspect a bit, Russell sings more melodically, but the keyboards are still slightly buried and maybe there isn't that much prog on here, but those are minor flaws. The album has its pros and cons overall. I especially dig the streak of songs that consists of To hell and back, In my darkest hour and Run with the devil.
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I've grown out of SX long ago but I still gave Underworld a listen,yeah I'm sure I'm out of it now.
grown out of Symphony X??
It's a condescending way of saying he doesn't like that style of music anymore.
Us children can still enjoy it though.
Don't get me wrong,I still think that TDWOT and V are great albums. It's just that I never really feel like listening to SX anymore. SX are a very good band but their recent work just sounds uninspired to me so I just kinda stopped listening to them. I'd still love to see them live.
Underworld took several listens for me to get into and appreciate, but I'm comfortable in ranking it #2 below The Odyssey. This is a fantastic album. I do like several songs on Iconoclast, but like everyone has said, it lacked singing, and Russell is singing again on Underworld. If you only listened once and scrapped it, try it a few more times. If you like the two albums you mentioned, this album should be your thing as well. It's just way heavier, but still has plenty of dynamics.
Eh,why not. I'll give it another spin tonight.
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Again, being a recent fan (and a fan of the last two albums moreso than the previous, more symphonic releases), I am absolutely loving this album. To me, the weakest track is actually the title track. Other than that, it's an amazing album!! Solid performances. The whole middle of the album, from Charon through Swansong I can't stop in mid-stride! I have to make sure i'm someplace where i have the time to listen to that whole section all the way through. I'm hoping to get to the Dallas show in October, never having seen them live.
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As I'm not a huge fan of SX I am absolutely loving this album.
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I've never really bothered to check out all of their music, but I'm definitely going to after hearing this album!
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Fantastic album. It might be my favorite SX album!
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Fantastic album. It might be my favorite SX album!
Yeah, this.
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Fantastic album. It might be my favorite SX album!
I like it but it's, at best, 4th for me behind Divine Wings, Twilight, V. I hate Iconoclast, this one is right in there with Odyssey, Paradise and Damnation Game.
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I am listening to this album constantly. Absolutely fantastic.
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Great album, just wish the cover art wasn't so terrible.
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Great album, just wish the cover art wasn't so terrible.
The cover art does look bad, when I saw the album announcement I thought it looked like a poorly done, low budget cover similar to their debut... but while it looks terrible as just an image, I found the physical CD cover actually looked surprisingly good. It seems the design prioritised the physical packaging rather than an album cover image in digital format - though I'm not sure how great an idea that is in this day and age.
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Great album, just wish the cover art wasn't so terrible.
The cover art does look bad, when I saw the album announcement I thought it looked like a poorly done, low budget cover similar to their debut... but while it looks terrible as just an image, I found the physical CD cover actually looked surprisingly good. It seems the design prioritised the physical packaging rather than an album cover image in digital format - though I'm not sure how great an idea that is in this day and age.
Yeah, it does look better in person, but it's still not good. It would probably be fine if it weren't for the 90's-esque bad CGI faces. They look like placeholders. I'm getting some serious Dance of Death flashbacks looking at this cover.
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https://wpapu.com/interview-mike-lepond-of-symphony-x-and-silent-assassins/
Nick's interview with Mike LePond of Symphony X and Mike LePond's Silent Assassins is now available. Click the link below to hear the 17 minute interview discussing both bands, and their plans for the future.
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Listening now, great interview :tup
Hopefully we'll get a live DVD next year then.
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Yeah, enjoyable interview so far
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https://wpapu.com/interview-mike-lepond-of-symphony-x-and-silent-assassins/
Nick's interview with Mike LePond of Symphony X and Mike LePond's Silent Assassins is now available. Click the link below to hear the 17 minute interview discussing both bands, and their plans for the future.
:tup
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https://wpapu.com/interview-mike-lepond-of-symphony-x-and-silent-assassins/
Nick's interview with Mike LePond of Symphony X and Mike LePond's Silent Assassins is now available. Click the link below to hear the 17 minute interview discussing both bands, and their plans for the future.
I apologize for the double post.
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Great album, just wish the cover art wasn't so terrible.
The cover art does look bad, when I saw the album announcement I thought it looked like a poorly done, low budget cover similar to their debut... but while it looks terrible as just an image, I found the physical CD cover actually looked surprisingly good. It seems the design prioritised the physical packaging rather than an album cover image in digital format - though I'm not sure how great an idea that is in this day and age.
Agreed, I think the physical package looks great actually (with shiny parts and all). Which surprised me. As a whole, this album is great in every way.
Really surprised that a new SX out of all my favourite artists releasing something this year is a contender for the best album of the year for me. Loved the previous two, but thought they were too homogeneous. So as albums, I did not think they were all that good, but I do find myself often picking some tracks of those and listening to them frequently. This album, however, paces really well and uses all elements I love about SX in a coherent way. It is a great album to give a whole spin and sounds fresh whilst taking many "roots" elements.
I like the production as well, makes me wonder why productions of bands like Blind Guardian, Kamelot (to lesser extent), Dream Theater etc. always feel off in some major way and Romeo manages to produce this in his own studio. It sounds thight and in your face heavy, yet balanced. Though I have to say I haven't listened on high end systems yet and I know the dynamic range is not all that hot, but I really like the overall mix and heavy sound.
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Yeah I like the production too a lot. But bear in mind that while he recorded it in his studio it was still mixed by Jens Bogren and the guitars were reamped by another company so the success of the production is not completely in his hands.
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It sounds great on earphones as well. Some cool production effects, for example on Charon.
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Charon is one of the best things they have ever done.
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Charon is one of the best things they have ever done.
Awesome tune
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Been listening to Underworld for a week now both with headphones and speakers. Lots of cool tracks with awesome riffs, hooks, instrumental sections, vocals and so on. Love it!
One thing though, I can't help but feel that this album very much feels like Evergrey's Hymns For The Broken, i'm not talking about it sounding alike because they're two very diffrent albums and bands. I'm just saying that as with HFTB Underworld feels very safe and toned down which dosen't have to be a bad thing depending on who you ask. If you ask me though, for this album to reach my top 3 I would like a bit more of the neo-classical and orchestral inspired compositions to shine through like The Accolade, Through The Looking Glass, The Divine Wings Of Tragedy, Egypt, Candlelight Fantasia, The Oddysey and so on. That to me is my Symphony X and why I started listening to them back in the day.
Other than that Underworld is an amazing album!
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Charon is one of the best things they have ever done.
Awesome tune
So far, this is probably one of my least favorites on the album.
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Cool video of Dressed To Kill, 1998 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dfAYrJLhgU)
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Charon is one of the best things they have ever done.
Awesome tune
So far, this is probably one of my least favorites on the album.
Wow, okay then.
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Strange for sure. Charon and Without You are my standouts
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Charon is definitely one of my favorites.
That said, this album doesn't have the POP to me of the last two. Save Charon most of the album blends together. It's a solid great album, but I remember more memorable moments from both Iconoclast and Paradise Lost.
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That said, this album doesn't have the POP to me of the last two. Save Charon most of the album blends together. It's a solid great album, but I remember more memorable moments from both Iconoclast and Paradise Lost.
Opposite reaction for me. Lots of standout moments for me.
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Charon is definitely one of my favorites.
That said, this album doesn't have the POP to me of the last two. Save Charon most of the album blends together. It's a solid great album, but I remember more memorable moments from both Iconoclast and Paradise Lost.
This is exactly what I was saying when I first heard it. It's opened up more since then though.
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Charon is definitely one of my favorites.
That said, this album doesn't have the POP to me of the last two. Save Charon most of the album blends together. It's a solid great album, but I remember more memorable moments from both Iconoclast and Paradise Lost.
That's a bit how I'm feeling right now. I'm enjoying the album and it's pretty consistent, but I'm not feeling like any of the songs are gonna be among my favourite Symphony X tracks. Hopefully that changes with a few more listens.
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Charon is one of the best things they have ever done.
Awesome tune
So far, this is probably one of my least favorites on the album.
Wow, okay then.
Well, I did say "so far" so there is room for growth. Not popping too much of a chub for this song just yet. :lol
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That said, this album doesn't have the POP to me of the last two. Save Charon most of the album blends together. It's a solid great album, but I remember more memorable moments from both Iconoclast and Paradise Lost.
Opposite reaction for me. Lots of standout moments for me.
Yeah, definitely. Iconoclast was the one that blended together to me, this album has a lot of memorable stuff.
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I can't stop listening to this album!!!
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I can't stop listening to this album!!!
Another listen for me today too.
Some excellent vocal melodies.
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"To Hell and Back" & "In My Darkest Hour" just might be my favorites from this disc.
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Same here, those two are fantastic. Run with the devil is also up there in my opinion. I also really liked Without you quite a bit at first, but the chorus is kinda getting old already - still a good song, though.
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Listening to it right now.
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Still can't get Run With The Devil out of my head. Such a cool song.
I think Run With The Devil, In My Darkest Hour and Underworld are my top 3.
Ohh Loooooord won't you help me put the...
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Swansong is a fav of mine too.
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Swansong is a fav of mine too.
absolutely!
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The ending is epic.
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The ending is epic.
Of Swansong, or are you referring to the latter 1/2 of the album? The run of Charon thru to Legend is fantastic. This is easily contending to beat Twilight in Olympus as the 4th in my definition of their 'Big 4'. Might soon be ahead of V. Not sure I'll ever rank it higher than TDWT or Odyssey though.
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I meant the ending of Swansong, so epic. Charon is epic too, as is Legend.
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This band is spectacular
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This band is spectacular
Can't wait to see them in September - their show in Buffalo is literally 5 minutes across one of the bridges - about a 90 minute drive for me. And thankfully, Overkill is closing, so I'll be able to bail early if I'm not feeling it from Overkill (never knew anything from them until a couple of weeks ago - checked out a few albums).
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Definately seeing them live when they come over here. Last time they almost played the entirety of Iconoclast. While a great performance and all of those songs work really well in live setting, I found the setlist to be too homogenous (like the album) and I missed a lot of SX classics. If they play this album as a whole, I wouldn't even mind. Should be a blast.
And they consider a live release? Hell yes, last year's bootlegs sound amazing (also Russels vocal workshops), so I am sure they can capture a great performance. If they do that I hope they will cover their entire discography though (or go the Blind Guardian way and just record many shows and many songs)
Also, according to their website, the album charted well:
Underworld reaches worldwide chart success; new lyric video ‘Kiss Of Fire’ revealed
Posted on August 7, 2015
Underworld, our ninth studio album which is out now on Nuclear Blast Records, reached great chart results worldwide!
Switzerland: #10
Finland: #12
Netherlands: #20
Germany: #23
Sweden: #31 (Hard Rock #2)
USA : #36 (current Chart, Top Hard Rock #6, Billboard 200, #89)
France: #39
Japan: #46 (International #7)
Austria: #59
Belgium: #71
UK: #80 (Rock #7)
Canada: #103 (Hard Charts #14)
I have no idea what are considered good sales for a band like SX, but if this is good, I am very happy. Especially since the competition seems to be fairly high (lots of prog/power/symphonic metal records this year that have an overlap in audience, I've been buying quite some tickets/vinyls/albums this year and actually have to choose between bands unfortunately).
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I don't really care for the chorus sections of Charon and Legend. Both have some good riffage though. Otherwise, this is a really good album.
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I know this is strange and completely random, but when I am not listening to the album and have Legend stuck in my head, I keep hearing it with John Sykes on vocals.
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I'll be catching them live in September too. They are closing that show.
I'm also hoping for a live album from this tour
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Nice interview with Russ:
https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/features/2015-08-12/symphony-x-preaching-to-the-perverted
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My opinion seems to differ quite much... I'm not so hyped about this release. I have a strange feeling that they should have released this album between The Odyssey and Paradise Lost since this has influences from early albums but it's like PL-ish version of early SymX. Charon is the weakest track, that chorus does nothing for me. Kiss of Fire and Underworld have great drumming from Jason (2:37 in Kiss of Fire :metal), In My Darkest Hour is catchy as hell and Legend fits perfectly for encore song in their live set. A lot of Frontiers vibes in that one.
I would still like to see them to do more neo-classical stuff because Romeo is killer composer for orchestrations.
Overall good album but in the same line in the rankings than PL. Somewhere in the middle.
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Is anybody going to see them perform with Overkill this fall?
I meant to ask: How long do you guys think a SymX opening set on this tour will be? 1 hour? 90 minutes? I only want to make the 3 hour drive if it will at least be a 90 minute set.
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I'd ask Mike LePond, but he keeps deleting me from his friends list.
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I'd ask Mike LePond, but he keeps deleting me from his friends list.
Thanks to Mike Lepond, my facebook newsfeed is just full of goth chicks' selfies and cleavage shots.
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I'd ask Mike LePond, but he keeps deleting me from his friends list.
Thanks to Mike Lepond, my facebook newsfeed is just full of goth chicks' selfies and cleavage shots.
I'm not going to bother friend requesting again. Maybe he's just making room, but I can't imagine he talks to everyone of his facebook friends, if my inactivity is the reason for him always deleting me.
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Have listened to Underworld a few times now. Loved it from the first spin!!! I have GOT to see these guys in Seattle Oct 3rd... I have never seen them live.
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I'm just curious. What did everybody think of the 3 promotional lyric videos for Nevermore, Kiss of Fire and Without You? I mean, we've all seen lyric videos and realize they are supposed to be low budget, right? Was anyone disappointed by the videos? Personally, I wasn't because it's all about the songs, right?
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I don't care about music videos or lyric videos.
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Me neither. And many lyric videos on yt by professional artists look/sound crappy. To the point that uploaded album rips often sound better than the official channel (seriously, why?). Thus, I mostly listen to singles on Deezer/Spotify when they are released. Nowadays that is often around the same time.
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I don't care about music videos or lyric videos.
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Videos don't mean much to me. When I watched the new Maiden video last week, I was just concentrating on the song itself, and paid very little attention to the video
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Ok, here's one for those of you who remember HBO back in the early 90's. 00.35 secs into Overture, hey....it's Tales from the Crypt!! :lol
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Charon is such a killer tune. Good to have a song like that to listen to while waiting for the new Myrath album. I really wish Jens Bogren only mixed albums though. His masters are way too hot, and it's pissing me off big time that such a good engineer is seemingly fighting to destroy music to such a degree. It's irrational to use a limiter like that, and unlike most other things in this world I can't find one good reason why DR5 should be acceptable. When you do something in a way that only has downsides you're doing it wrong!
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I think Charon is one of the best songs they've ever done. It could already crack my top 5 to be honest.
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Really? Charon always struck me as one of the weaker songs on this album. Swansong and the title track are where it's at for me, and neither would crack my Top 5, though the former might have a shot at Top 10.
The album is ridiculously consistent though, even though its highs aren't quite as high as the highs of the past imo. Really digging Underworld.
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Yeah, I just think it's killer.
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Yeah, I just think it's killer.
:iagree:
Don't know about Top 5, but it's one of my fave's from the album
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Really? Charon always struck me as one of the weaker songs on this album.
Even though musical taste is completely subjective, I have a really difficult time understanding how anyone who likes Symphony X could not like this song. It's got everything and is about as catchy as anything they've ever done.
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I don't mind it, but I don't think it's one of the best things they've ever done. Like I said before, the chorus is the weakest part of the song. Everything else is catchy but the chorus is so generic which makes the song one of the weakest on the album for me.
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Really? Charon always struck me as one of the weaker songs on this album.
Even though musical taste is completely subjective, I have a really difficult time understanding how anyone who likes Symphony X could not like this song. It's got everything and is about as catchy as anything they've ever done.
I like it all right, it just never really stood out to me at all, and that makes it the "loser" by default on an album that has gems like Underworld, To Hell and Back, Swansong and Legend.
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I'll add to that list. Nevermore, Without You, Kiss of Fire, IMDH & RWTD. :2metal:
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Charon has the weakest chorus of the album and it's just a standard SX song for me. Kiss of Fire and IMDH are the standouts for me. Subjective.
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I like new album to the point where I don't want listen to anything else :lol seriously, I need to stop if I don't want to start hating this album.
And To Hell and Back is song of the year for me.
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I still can't understand the love for this album. In my mind, anyone who was a fan during the TDWOT/V/Odyssey days surely can't be satisfied with such a generic metal album? Where's the mystical feeling, the dynamics? Even when the music settles down, the production is still suffocating it with that harsh guitar tone and the mechanical sounding drums.
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It's no where near TWDOT/Odyssey/TiO/V for me, but I still think that it's a very good album and it sits very comfortably at number 5 in my rankings. While not as stylistically varied as those albums, it does the whole "straightforward metal thing" a lot better than Iconoclast or Paradise Lost.
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The album doesn't do anything for me either.
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I still can't understand the love for this album. In my mind, anyone who was a fan during the TDWOT/V/Odyssey days surely can't be satisfied with such a generic metal album? Where's the mystical feeling, the dynamics? Even when the music settles down, the production is still suffocating it with that harsh guitar tone and the mechanical sounding drums.
I feel those that don't realize how kick ass this album is, are totally missing the boat. I'm a fan of it all. Those earlier albums are great and exclusive to themselves. That was then, this is now. I don't want their new stuff to sound like that anymore. That type of sound ran its course. I'm glad it's more metal sounding now and it's not generic by any means. It's exceptional and I compare it to other exceptional metal albums such as James LaBrie's last two releases and Fates Warning's last release.
I like new album to the point where I don't want listen to anything else :lol seriously, I need to stop if I don't want to start hating this album.
And To Hell and Back is song of the year for me.
Oh yeah, believe me, I've already started listening to other music just so I won't wear this album out. THAB is probably my favorite as well and there are many others pretty close to it.
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This is, by a nose, my favorite Symphony X album. These are the most well-developed, intricate, multi-dimensional and even moving songs that the band has produced since the glory days of "V: The New Mythology Suite" and "The Odyssey"
So awesome to hear Russell Allen actually singing in Symphony X again!
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You mean a nose hair, right? :rollin
Yeah, RA is definitely using those pipes in more of a smooth and melodic way compared to Iconoclast. But, I really don't mind the raspy vocals. Although, he did overdo it a little bit on the last album. Underworld brings it back, but I'm glad he decided use it in moderation. Such a killer voice.
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Underworld and Iconoclast are my two favorite Symphony X albums. I think they have just gotten way better and are at the top of their game. Fantastic band, can't wait to see them in Seattle B-)
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Can't wait to see them next week in Buffalo.
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Going to catch them on the 27th!
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Got my ticket for their show in february over here.
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Manchester next February? Would be rude not to. Going to that.
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I get back from holiday to read they'll be playing Glasgow in February :metal Can't wait to see them for the first time. :coolio
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Setlist tonight looks pretty good - 1/2 of it is Underworld... then it's pretty heavy with Paradise Lost. Only one song from the 'big 4'. :-\
Still gonna be great.
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Just saw that they have announced an European Tour and they're coming to Munich. :tup I have never seen them live before, even though I've been a fan for some time now, so I'm really looking forward to that. They will be playing in a really small venue here which kind of surprises me, I thought they would be able to fill much larger venues. ???
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I'll be at the Dallas show!! Taking my 16-year old son with me!
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I'll be at the Dallas show!! Taking my 16-year old son with me!
ditto! except I won't be bringing my 16-year old son. I'm bringing my wife. She is not 16.
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They slayed it. Couldn't care less for Overkill, and thankfully S-X was the opener last night. in a nice theater/club that had about 500 of us there, I was standing against the barrier, front fucking row baby!
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Lepond was a beast, and they had him pretty high in the mix - couldn't hear Pinnella much. Romeo is a portly fellow. Russell is a god. I'd switch hit with/for him. I think he got MY panties wet.
Great show, despite the lack of 'big-4' material. The PL material sounded great with Russell actually singing it. :lol
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Awesome shots Chad. Where was the show ?
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Niagara Falls - Rapids Theater. Really nice venue, and about 1 mile from the Falls, which is real easy for me to get to - only about a 90 minute drive + 30 minute wait at the border (though, no wait coming home).
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Sounds good, I'm checking them out next Sunday. SX will close that show so I will check out Overkill. I really don't know anything about them though.
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Great pics Chad.
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Sounds good, I'm checking them out next Sunday. SX will close that show so I will check out Overkill. I really don't know anything about them though.
I stayed for a song and a 1/2. I checked one album of their's on Spotify a few weeks back, not bad. What they played though was very thrashy... not my scene.
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I'll be at the Dallas show!! Taking my 16-year old son with me!
ditto! except I won't be bringing my 16-year old son. I'm bringing my wife. She is not 16.
well maybe she should be.
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Any setlist spoilers you care to share? I'm getting so pumped for the Dallas show! And SymX is opening as well, so if i don't like Overkill, i'll just leave and get a jump on traffic!
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I've seen SX 2 or 3 times and you can NEVER hear the keys in the live mix for some reason.
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Any setlist spoilers you care to share? I'm getting so pumped for the Dallas show! And SymX is opening as well, so if i don't like Overkill, i'll just leave and get a jump on traffic!
Sure.... setlist.fm has it. Doesn't look like there's been any variation.
The open the show with the Underworld - the 1st half of the album - straight thru to To Hell and Back.
The remaining songs are 3 from PL, and one each from Iconoclast and TDWOT.
I did the exact same thing vis-a-vis Overkill - considering I had a 2 hour drive, it worked out perfectly.
I've seen SX 2 or 3 times and you can NEVER hear the keys in the live mix for some reason.
Even in the solo's, it was a struggle to hear Pinella.
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Nice pics. It's a shame I'll miss the show in Tempe AZ, but SX is opening that show. Not sure why they are alternating the headliners. Don't really care for Overkill that much.
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Nice pics. It's a shame I'll miss the show in Tempe AZ, but SX is opening that show. Not sure why they are alternating the headliners. Don't really care for Overkill that much.
Exactly... and that's be best scenario - you go for S-X, get in before the Overkill crowd shows up, and then get out. Precisely what I did.
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I'm going to the San Antonio show and they are closing. I think I've seen Overkill once and I wasn't impressed. We shall see how it goes this time. This could be my longest bathroom break ever!
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Wow, I'm amazed you guys don't enjoy Overkill. They're the best thrash band live and are true to their roots. I'm upset I can't attend the Tempe show.
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Key word... thrash. Not mah thang.
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Key word... thrash. Not mah thang.
Bingo. I'll be getting out of the Dallas show early. Might stay for the first song or two of Overkill, but not much more.
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Sounds good, I'm checking them out next Sunday. SX will close that show so I will check out Overkill. I really don't know anything about them though.
My shot at seeing them would be in Charlotte NC; SX would be closing that show too. If you would, please let us know how long the Overkill set is so I can know how late to show up! Overkill's not my cup-o-tea either.
Any info you can give (or anyone else that's seen SX close the show) would be appreciated.
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Sounds good, I'm checking them out next Sunday. SX will close that show so I will check out Overkill. I really don't know anything about them though.
My shot at seeing them would be in Charlotte NC; SX would be closing that show too. If you would, please let us know how long the Overkill set is so I can know how late to show up! Overkill's not my cup-o-tea either.
Any info you can give (or anyone else that's seen SX close the show) would be appreciated.
I suspect they're both running about 90 minute. S-X went on at 7; Overkill (after stage switch-over) went on at 9. I'm willing to bet that's the setup no matter who's closing.
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SX's opening the show I'm going to in a couple of weeks. I've never heard a single note of Overkill (that I know of), but I most likely will stick around and check them out.
This will only be the second time that I'm going to a show and my favorite of the bands playing isn't closing. The other time was DT opening for Iron Maiden in 2010. I did stay the whole time out of respect even though I've never really gotten into IM. They were incredible. Even if a certain band/genre isn't my cup of tea, I have a lot of respect for musicians in general and seeing them do their thing live is a real treat for me.
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I've just checked out some Overkill material as I don't know much about them.
Doesn't seem like the greatest match, but we'll see how it plays out in the live setting.
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I've just checked out some Overkill material as I don't know much about them.
Doesn't seem like the greatest match, but we'll see how it plays out in the live setting.
Russell said they were big fans of Overkill. For thrash fans, I guess these guys are a pretty big deal.
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This was the second time I've seen Symphony X and they were awesome. Russell is a fantastic frontman.
Overkill was ok, but not really my cup of tea.
The one thing that I found surprising was that half of the audience left after Overkill. The place was packed to the rafters for Overkill, but quite sparse for Symphony X. I guess Overkill is alot more popular.
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Yes Overkill are way popular.
I want to see this lineup, but oh well.
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This new album is so damn good that I'm having difficulty figuring out how to rank these songs. :lolpalm:
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Ya, in fact I'm surprised Overkill isn't headlining. This whole tour is like if Testament opened up for Blind Guardian.
I'm going to try and hit the show next week. I've never been much into Symphony X at all, and I haven't listened to Overkill in years (though I absolutely LOVED The Years of Decay and Horrorscope)...but a couple of good friends of mine are going, and I don't always get a chance to go to a show with friends. Seems we never all have enough money at the same time. LOL
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I wish they'd come near my area. I'd definitely see them if I had a chance.
Sir Russell looks like he's been back at the gym. He was getting a little bit chunky there for a while.
I have recently been on a Symphony X binge, going through their back catalog. I never really got into when it was released but "Paradise Lost" is a great album. I have a new appreciation for it.
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I *just* picked up Underworld and listened to the first half on the way home. Pretty cool stuff. It was better for me on the first spin than V was (15 years ago). It at least made me curious to dig out and dust off V and see if I like it any better.
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Hey guys. Do me a solid.
Rate the SX albums. As a whole, your lists will help me a LOT in deciding where to go next.
Really digging underworld. I'll try to dust off V before the end of the week. But I'm overwhelmed with new music at the moment.
In the last month, I've bought more music than I have in years. New Riverside, Iron Maiden, Spock's Beard, Primus, TesseracT, Symphony X....not to mention new bands Babymetal, Native Construct and The Great Discord. I just can't process it all.
The SX/Overkill tour is coming to Seattle this Saturday. If I get a job, I'm going to go to the show with some friends.
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Paradise Lost is my favourite. I would recommend that.
But I'm going to be the only person who does so. :lol
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Well, I'm not very grood at rating, because my tastes seem to vary from one day to the next, LOL. But I'll give it a try.
1. V: The new mythology suite. Yes it's cheese. But it's DAMN GOOD cheese!
2. Underworld yup, that good in my bood.
3. Paradise Lost indeed, above the Odyssy.
4. Iconoclast just solid.
5 The Odyssy great, but not tops.
6.. Twilight in Olympus awesome, often underrated.
7. Live on the Edge of Forever fantastically overlooked live album.
8. Divine Wings of Tragedy great classic Sym. X.
9. The damnation game Some great tunes.
10. Symphony X. Yeah, well....
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God Tier
DWoT
V
The Odyssey
Great
Underworld
Paradise Lost
Twilight in Olympus
Good
Iconoclast
The Damnation Game
OK
SymX
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Their setlist on this tour seems quite predictable. I wouldn't mind a few surprises or old gems.. And I want to hear V/Odyssey songs live more than new stuff...
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I agree with Big Hath. I think Underworld over time will enter "God Tier".
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Their setlist on this tour seems quite predictable. I wouldn't mind a few surprises or old gems.. And I want to hear V/Odyssey songs live more than new stuff...
Being a fan of their more recent releases, i am quite excited about the setlist and can't wait for the Dallas show! I think it's a solid setlist, showcasing the new album. It appeases newer fans such as myself. But i can see where it would be disappointing to older fans, almost completely ignoring the older albums. But i'm a happy camper.
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Just caught Symphony X in Seattle. Fantastic show!!! The new album translated very well live and the Paradise lost material was great to hear too, and closing with iconoclast. My New favorite live band. I also got to meet Jammindude, we had a great time and an awesome person! Overkill was awesome too, I never even heard them before and I was impressed..
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Who else, if anyone, is going to the Dallas show Saturday? I'll be there.
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Fantastic show in Dallas last night. They cut the set short, tho. No Iconoclast. Not sure why. But sounded awesome.
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I went to the San Antonio show the night before Dallas. It was a very good show but the sound was horrible. There were a couple of times that Russell where he seemed to have problems with his microphone and/or monitors. The setlist is balls to the wall, very energetic. Russell transformed when he put the masks for a couple of songs, he was like a different person. That's why he is probably one of the greatest front man/singers out there right now. The rest of the guys where in fire. I enjoyed the heck out of Rullo's drumming, very underrated.
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I went to the San Antonio show the night before Dallas. It was a very good show but the sound was horrible. There were a couple of times that Russell where he seemed to have problems with his microphone and/or monitors. The setlist is balls to the wall, very energetic. Russell transformed when he put the masks for a couple of songs, he was like a different person. That's why he is probably one of the greatest front man/singers out there right now. The rest of the guys where in fire. I enjoyed the heck out of Rullo's drumming, very underrated.
I just couldn't make it down there. It just frustrates me to no end that all these guys skip Austin.
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Who else, if anyone, is going to the Dallas show Saturday? I'll be there.
I missed reading this earlier. My wife and I were there. I was the dude in the black t-shirt :biggrin:
Fantastic show in Dallas last night. They cut the set short, tho. No Iconoclast. Not sure why. But sounded awesome.
What a great show! Yes indeed, I thought they sounded really good. One of the best sounding concerts I've been to.
Other random thoughts:
Russell Allen is a really great frontman
Of Sins and Shadows rocked!
The new songs came across really well I thought
Michael Romeo is a beast of a guitarist
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I went to the San Antonio show the night before Dallas. It was a very good show but the sound was horrible. There were a couple of times that Russell where he seemed to have problems with his microphone and/or monitors. The setlist is balls to the wall, very energetic. Russell transformed when he put the masks for a couple of songs, he was like a different person. That's why he is probably one of the greatest front man/singers out there right now. The rest of the guys where in fire. I enjoyed the heck out of Rullo's drumming, very underrated.
I just couldn't make it down there. It just frustrates me to no end that all these guys skip Austin.
Yeah, San Antonio gets the better metal shows. I've only seen or two shows in Austin (The Aristocrats and Jethtro Tull) in my 3 yrs here
Sunday Oct 25th, Fates plays at that same venue in San Antonio. Got my VIP tix ready to go. And The Winery Dogs play in Dallas on the 24th...Might be a very busy weekend for me.
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Who else, if anyone, is going to the Dallas show Saturday? I'll be there.
I missed reading this earlier. My wife and I were there. I was the dude in the black t-shirt :biggrin:
Fantastic show in Dallas last night. They cut the set short, tho. No Iconoclast. Not sure why. But sounded awesome.
What a great show! Yes indeed, I thought they sounded really good. One of the best sounding concerts I've been to.
Other random thoughts:
Russell Allen is a really great frontman
Of Sins and Shadows rocked!
The new songs came across really well I thought
Michael Romeo is a beast of a guitarist
oh, YOU were the guy in the black shirt!! I thought i saw you! :)
I was wearing a black Redemption shirt. Stood right in front, directly in front of Romeo. Killer show. Got Romeo's setlist from a roadie and gave it to my son. was hoping for a pic, but no dice.
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I really think Russell Allen is one of the best frontmen I've ever seen. Very charasmatic.
I watched footage of him singing for TSO, he's a great fit for that band.
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Saw them last night. Incredible show, as always.
Opening band, Ghost of War, busted out a cover of Pull Me Under, so that was a pleasant surprise.
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Fantastic show last night in Zoetermeer. They play Underworld in its entirety, plus some old songs. Fantastic.
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Fantastic show last night in Zoetermeer. They play Underworld in its entirety, plus some old songs. Fantastic.
Wow, that's cool.
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I really think Russell Allen is one of the best frontmen I've ever seen. Very charasmatic.
I watched footage of him singing for TSO, he's a great fit for that band.
I agree on both counts. He has such an impressive stage presence and it even becomes more intense when his powerful vocals fill the place. The first time I saw them was at L'amour in Brooklyn quite a few years ago. He was talking about a sword that he had just bought and then brought it on stage. It was great. My best friend lived next door to him for a while. They still talk occasionally and he's apparently a really cool guy to hang out with.
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I'm hoping someone somewhere posts some good-quality footage (or at least audio) of the European shows, as they are playing Underworld in its entirety. Found some halfway-decent clips on YouTube, but (fingers crossed) something will show up on Dime or something.
This may be blasphemy, but between the three latest albums i've gotten (SymX, DT, and Redemption), the SymX is still leading as the best. But... The Astonishing is growing on me.
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V: The New Mythology Suite
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
The Odyssey
Twilight in Olympus
Underworld
Paradise Lost
Iconoclast
The Damnation Game
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This may be blasphemy, but between the three latest albums i've gotten (SymX, DT, and Redemption), the SymX is still leading as the best. But... The Astonishing is growing on me.
Yeah, if I had to rate The Astonishing and Underworld against each other, it would be neck-and-neck for me too. I'm honestly not sure which would be my #1. It would probably change from moment to moment and depend on whether I want a full-on metal onslaught or an epic prog-fest at the given time.
Interestingly, both albums melt my face for about 3/4 of the way through, and then kind of peter out toward the end. For The Astonishing, I love it through The Walking Shadow or My Last Farewell. But even though I know the remaining songs are integral to the story and necessary for the resolution, they don't grab me as much, and I start to lose interest. For Underworld, I absolutely love it through In My Darkest Hour. RWTD and Swan Song don't do much for me, and I tend to tune out. Legend is a step back in the right direction, and I like it, but sometimes have lost interest by the time the album gets there. So, interesting parallel there.
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Underworld blows DT12 and Dramatic Turn Of Events out of the water for me. I also enjoyed PL and Iconoclast more than those, probably. Though Iconoclast was a bit too homogeneous, which I can't say about DT, regardless of similarities with older material.
The Astonishing, however, keeps growing on me since its release. I honestly cannot say which I prefer. Anyways, I am glad that I am more than happy with the output of both bands. DT for doing something really different and SX for returning to the many (paradise) lost elements that they do so incredibly well, whilst adding some fresh sounds as well.
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While it took quite a while to grow on me and I initially didn't like it much at all, I think Charon is the strongest song on the album by a mile and one of the best things they have ever done.
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For me, there's no comparison. Underworld is one of the best things that S-X has done; TA is one of the worst things DT has ever done (imo).
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Underworld is slightly better than the previous two hugely underwhelming Symphony X albums. The Astonishing is astonishing.
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For me, there's no comparison. Underworld is one of the best things that S-X has done; TA is one of the worst things DT has ever done (imo).
agreed
I can't say enough good things about Underworld. Its perfect.
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So far, I like TA better as a complete body of work. But Underworld's production is much better, and tracks 1-6 absolutely slay me.
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I definitely like the latest Symphony X more than The Astonishing.
Underworld is basically Paradise Lost Pt. 2, and i love that!
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I definitely like the latest Symphony X more than The Astonishing.
Underworld is basically Paradise Lost Pt. 2, and i love that!
Very well said. I dislike both of them but I agree on the comparison.
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I haven't listened to Underworld much since release - need to rectify that. But yeah......I rated Underworld mid 90's and TA mid 70's.
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Simply no comparison between the two IMO, SX everyday of the week.
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Simply no comparison between the two IMO, SX everyday of the week.
And twice on Sunday!
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Underworld is just simply a masterpiece. Oddly, the song i like least is the title track. everything else is just so solid. That's why it's killing me that in the States they played the first half of the album, but now in Europe they're playing the ENTIRE album!! It's that second half that i like a little better! I SO want to hear those songs live!
I can only hope and pray that they'll release a live album soon.
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On the surface I get comparing the latest SX and the latest DT, but the two albums are so different it's hard for me to say one is better than the other. I like both quite a bit actually.
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On the surface I get comparing the latest SX and the latest DT, but the two albums are so different it's hard for me to say one is better than the other. I like both quite a bit actually.
That is pretty much how I see it as well. Saying that one is "clearly" better than the other seems a bit silly to me.
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Totally right Bosk. It's like comparing apples and oranges. One is a beautifully shaped and proportioned piece of fruit that peels effortlessly and melts in your mouth. The other is a hot-mess of smushed, lumpy, bruised applesauce.
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You are a strange little hairless man.
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You are a strange little hairless man.
I've got plenty of hair - it's just in all the wrong places.
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Underworld is definitely a solid album.
Masterpiece, not even close, that is for faultless, perfect and truly exceptional albums.
I've been listening to music for 36 of my 47 years and I can count the number of masterpieces on my left hand.
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I also consider it a masterpiece, but that's what makes music so subjective
I agree with Beowulf about the live album and hopefully DVD. This is now the perfect time to release that!
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You are a strange little hairless man.
I've got plenty of hair - it's just in all the wrong places.
:lol I will concede that point.
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Underworld is awesome! I have just put it on (I haven't listened to the album in its entirety since October) and my love prevails. "INTO NIGHT // INTO FURY // HORSE OF CRIMSON SHE RIIIDES [some blastbeats]"
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Yeah, the word masterpiece and Underworld really doesn't make sense to me. It's definitely a great album, but not even one of my fav SX albums, but it's good indeed.
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I still conclude that Run with the Devil is the grooviest riff Romeo has ever written.
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SX are finally touring Australia, well two cities :)
https://www.symphonyx.com/site/news/for-the-frist-time-ever-symphony-x-announce-australian-performances/
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nice............just waiting for the wolfking to enter the thread and start trashing stuff :-\
This is one gig I WOULD attend by myself (don't know any other fans in Melbourne) ............happy to help out where I can if you feel like the trip Kade ;)
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SX are finally touring Australia, well two cities :)
You mean we have more than two cities?
Surprised they're not playing slightly bigger venues, but I don't think they'll have any trouble filling them.
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Well the venue in Melbourne is about 700 capacity....................Queensryche venue is 900 and they haven't sold that out after a couple of weeks . Melbourne is full of metal heads - I was expecting more demand,
And yet when Steel Panther booked a gig for 2000 people it sold out in 20 mins and had to be moved to a 4000 seater a few years back. I like Steel Panther but c'mon :lol
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I probably wouldn't have even heard of Queensryche if not for this forum, so that doesn't shock me, plus they probably lost a lot of fans during their shaky years. SX and Steel Panther are both popular recent-ish bands, so I'd expect them to do better.
But it's always hard to predict what the demand will be in a country you've never played before. Album sales probably aren't a reliable indicator, and you don't want to overestimate sales in a place that's so expensive to tour.
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I'll be honest - I have no idea where the hell people hear about Steel Panther in Australia but they went #1. Presumably not on commercial radio :lol
I would always expect Queensryche to outsell SX , no matter what and the capacities sort of reflect that (in Melbourne anyway) , but a bit closer than I would've imagined.
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I'll be honest - I have no idea where the hell people hear about Steel Panther in Australia but they went #1. Presumably not on commercial radio :lol
You could say the same about QR and SX. We live in the internet age, my friend!
We'll see how SX sells, but I'd expect them to have no trouble with that number.
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Get fucking fucked!!!! >:(
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Get fucking fucked!!!! >:(
Do you not live in Australia anymore?
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Being a "newer" fan of SX, there are a few songs from the earlier albums i like, but overall from The Odyssey on have been outstanding albums. Underworld i think is still my favorite, but really difficult to truly pinpoint one i like over another.
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Being a "newer" fan of SX, there are a few songs from the earlier albums i like, but overall from The Odyssey on have been outstanding albums. Underworld i think is still my favorite, but really difficult to truly pinpoint one i like over another.
I got into them during The Odyssey. To me, their best albums by far are The Odyssey, V, and Underworld. The two in between The Odyssey and Underworld were okay, but don't get many repeat listens from me. I don't really care about the ones that preceded V, other than a song here and there.
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I thought Iconoclast and PL were outstanding albums. But yeah, V is a good one, too. It seems they've gotten a bit heavier and a bit farther away from the "symphonic" aspect. Seeing them this past October was definitely in my Top 10 concerts, though. I just wish i could get my hands on a quality version of the European tour where they've performed the new album in its entirety. All fingers and toes crossed for a live release.
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I'm relatively new to SX and I don't get it why V is widely considered their best album. I gave it many spins, but it's just boring and dragging, hard for me to get through it even while I'm driving (and that's the perfect frame of mind for me to internalize new music). The dated, flat production doesn't help it either and Russell's vocals are surprisingly unimpressive compared to later albums.
Now, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost and especially Undeworld (my favorite album in recent years!) are all fantastic and, thanks to them, SX is quickly shaping up to be one of my favorite bands these days. Russell is the most impressive metal vocalist I have ever heard, hands down. I'm usually an instruments guy (and they excel in that department as well), but SX is all (well, mostly) about the singing and the vocal melodies for me.
When it comes to general consensus about the best album of any given band, I usually end up coming into fold and agreeing with said consensus, sometimes almost immediately (case in point: Master of Puppets), sometimes after a while, as the album needs to grow on me (as with SFAM). With V, I seem to be at an impasse and I just don't get it. I should at least like it somewhat, but no. Why?
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Being a "newer" fan of SX, there are a few songs from the earlier albums i like, but overall from The Odyssey on have been outstanding albums. Underworld i think is still my favorite, but really difficult to truly pinpoint one i like over another.
Twilight in Olympus got me into them and is still one of my favorite albums ever. Through the Looking Glass is quite possibly my favorite SyX song, along with Paradise Lost. I'm not sure if you've heard that album yet, but definitely give it a listen to.
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Besides the debut, I can see any of SX's albums being someone's favorite. Phenomenal band
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Get fucking fucked!!!! >:(
Do you not live in Australia anymore?
Yeah, but hardly any of these bands visit my state anymore, so annoying.
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I'm relatively new to SX and I don't get it why V is widely considered their best album. I gave it many spins, but it's just boring and dragging, hard for me to get through it even while I'm driving (and that's the perfect frame of mind for me to internalize new music). The dated, flat production doesn't help it either and Russell's vocals are surprisingly unimpressive compared to later albums.
Now, The Odyssey, Paradise Lost and especially Undeworld (my favorite album in recent years!) are all fantastic and, thanks to them, SX is quickly shaping up to be one of my favorite bands these days. Russell is the most impressive metal vocalist I have ever heard, hands down. I'm usually an instruments guy (and they excel in that department as well), but SX is all (well, mostly) about the singing and the vocal melodies for me.
When it comes to general consensus about the best album of any given band, I usually end up coming into fold and agreeing with said consensus, sometimes almost immediately (case in point: Master of Puppets), sometimes after a while, as the album needs to grow on me (as with SFAM). With V, I seem to be at an impasse and I just don't get it. I should at least like it somewhat, but no. Why?
My personal opinion is that it probably could have used some editing. (it's a bit on the long side)
The guitar tone is terrible, too.
But I'd still say it's their most musically mature release.
They've really morphed into a pretty much straight on metal band. Not a bad thing, if that's what you like. Personally, I got into them because of the neoclassical/symphonic aspects of their music, so I tend to like their older albums, up to and including The Odyssey
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Sym X is a band that should be right up my alley, but I have never taken to them. I have most of their stuff, and it's all excellent, but nothing has ever resonate with me.
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Sym X is a band that should be right up my alley, but I have never taken to them. I have most of their stuff, and it's all excellent, but nothing has ever resonate with me.
I know what you mean, it took me a long while for them to click. I actually clicked more with the newer stuff from The Odyssey and forward. The classics before them I find good but yeah, doesn't get me going like the newer ones do.
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They clicked with me immediately. I think "Fallen" was the first song I ever heard, and it won me over big time.
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Woot. Just got this from enterthevault:
SYMPHONY X will do a week of show in Sept-Oct
Tickets are onsale now
Sept
29 Trocadero Theater Philadelphia , PA
Oct
1 Palladium Worcester , MA
2 FouFounes Montreal , QUE
3 MOD Club Toronto , ON
4 Salle Multi QC , QUE
5 Grammercy Theater NYC
Probably a lead in for TSO rehearsals/tour for Russell? Gonna be goin again fo sho!
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What is it gonna take to finally get a live album from these guys!
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Woot. Just got this from enterthevault:
SYMPHONY X will do a week of show in Sept-Oct
Tickets are onsale now
Sept
29 Trocadero Theater Philadelphia , PA
Oct
1 Palladium Worcester , MA
2 FouFounes Montreal , QUE
3 MOD Club Toronto , ON
4 Salle Multi QC , QUE
5 Grammercy Theater NYC
Probably a lead in for TSO rehearsals/tour for Russell? Gonna be goin again fo sho!
I think it's a warmup run for their Loudpark Festival in Japan appearance
From their FB:
New Jersey’s progressive metal masters, SYMPHONY X, are making a few special stops on their way to Japan's Loud Park Festival. The limited engagement 6 show trek, will launch on September 29th at The Trocadero hit 3 Canadian cities and conclude on October 5th at The Gramercy Theatre in NYC!
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What is it gonna take to finally get a live album from these guys!
No shit. I think the problem is, the type of venues they play. Every time I've seen them, the venues were small and so were the audiences. Kind of a bummer.
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What is it gonna take to finally get a live album from these guys!
No shit. I think the problem is, the type of venues they play. Every time I've seen them, the venues were small and so were the audiences. Kind of a bummer.
Good point. Last year I saw them in front of about 50- 100 people, so that's not going to work
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What is it gonna take to finally get a live album from these guys!
I hope they do another one. Live was alright, but could've been better.
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If they do I hope it's better than the last one, which generally sounded bloody terrible.
As the old saying goes, I've heard better bootlegs.
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I don't make big deals over live releases anymore, as sometimes the bootlegs DO have better sound and performance than the concert they choose to film.
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For the passed 10 years Communion and the Oracle has been my favorite SX song, but goddamn, Underworld crushes it. That song is amazing.
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Hi, Symphony X thread, I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm looking for a recommendation for where I ought to go next with this band. I have V: The New Mythology Suite and The Odyssey, and I've been thinking about exploring more of their albums. I like both albums I have, but I think V is superior as an album, while Odyssey's title track is the best song I've heard from them. I like their symphonic side, and prefer Allen's cleans to his gruff voice. And I like melodic stuff. Based on this, what album should I check out next?
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Go for the one that introduced me to them. Twilight in Olympus. It's more melodic, neo-classical, and Russell's vocals are clean.
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The Divine Wings of Tragedy (based on what you said, you're going to love this). And to a lesser extent, Twilight in Olympus. The Damnation Game has the sound you're looking for as well, but isn't quite at the level of those to imo.
Also try Underworld, their latest. Less symphonic stuff, but awesome nonetheless.
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The Divine Wings of Tragedy (based on what you said, you're going to love this). And to a lesser extent, Twilight in Olympus. The Damnation Game has the sound you're looking for as well, but isn't quite at the level of those to imo.
Also try Underworld, their latest. Less symphonic stuff, but awesome nonetheless.
this , although for me Damnation Game is more than a bit behind.
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Okay, so I'm definitely hearing that I should work backwards from V. I suppose I'll check whether The Divine Wings of Tragedy or Twilight in Olympus is less expensive/more available on Amazon when I make my next order later this month (TDWoT is sold out right now). Thanks everybody!
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At this point you can't do wrong with anything besides the debut and Iconoclast. They're all pretty similar in quality.
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At this point you can't do wrong with anything besides the debut and Iconoclast. They're all pretty similar in quality.
Iconoclast is awesome.
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I like Iconoclast, I just know that a lot of people don't so I don't recommend going to it until later.
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At this point you can't do wrong with anything besides the debut and Iconoclast. They're all pretty similar in quality.
Iconoclast is awesome.
yep
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Besides the debut, there hasn't been anything that Symphony X has released that isn't awesome. This includes Iconoclast
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I like all of their albums too. I prefer the more symphonic stuff but yeah, strong catalog for sure.
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Yeah very strong back catalogue, even the ones I didn't like at first (Paradise Lost is a big one, 5.1 mix did it for me) have come good, after a few good years they finally sunk in.
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Hi, Symphony X thread, I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm looking for a recommendation for where I ought to go next with this band. I have V: The New Mythology Suite and The Odyssey, and I've been thinking about exploring more of their albums. I like both albums I have, but I think V is superior as an album, while Odyssey's title track is the best song I've heard from them. I like their symphonic side, and prefer Allen's cleans to his gruff voice. And I like melodic stuff. Based on this, what album should I check out next?
Based on your preferences, I agree with the others - Divine Wings of Tragedy, Twilight and Olympus and maybe even Damnation Game are the next albums to go to, and probably even in this order (I think the first half of Twilight is better than Wings, however the second half brings it down a bit). If you wish to get into the "new" sound, I'd recommend trying Underworld first, then Paradise Lost and only then Iconoclast. I mean, I like Iconoclast a lot (and it's in my top 5), but it's really very different from the rest of their discography.
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I know Symphony X from 5 or 6 years, but I listened only from the albums from Paradise Lost. Last week I decided to give a chance to the old stuff. In four or five days I tried The Divine Wings Of Tragedy, The Damnation Game and the titletrack of The Odyssey. Both TDWOT and TDM are awesome. I instantly liked the songs of TDM, they are more catchy and song oriented, but the other album contains even better stuff. I love in particular Eyes Of Medusa, I can't stop listening to that song. Both the 20 min suites are fantastic, I only don't like the intro of TDWOT titletrack, but I'm getting used to it.
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Try "The looking Glass" as well.
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Try "The looking Glass" as well.
Great composition and great chorus, my favourite of the album, but I prefer the two previous albums. Maybe it's the sound of the album less metal than TDWOT.I don't know why Orion has never been played live, it's in my top 3 of the album
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Orion... that's the one with the bunch of power chords and the boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
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:lol I like the melody in the chorus, I can't recall the rest at the moment but I enjoyed it
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Orion... that's the one with the bunch of power chords and the boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
:lol
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Listening to "To Hell and Back" :2metal:
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Every time I see an update in this thread I am hoping to see news of a live album coming out lol.
Oh well, I will say that Underworld hasn't even remotely gotten old and I am playing it all the time. It's top three all time Symphony X for me and has potential to go even higher. Its a perfect metal album for me.
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Yeah, SX never disappoints. I've been pleased with just about everything they've done.
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Try "The looking Glass" as well.
Great composition and great chorus, my favourite of the album, but I prefer the two previous albums. Maybe it's the sound of the album less metal than TDWOT.I don't know why Orion has never been played live, it's in my top 3 of the album
Absolutely agree, Damnation Game and TdWoT are way better albums, but Looking Glass is a Highlight on Twilight in Olympus.
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Every time I see an update in this thread I am hoping to see news of a live album coming out lol.
Oh well, I will say that Underworld hasn't even remotely gotten old and I am playing it all the time. It's top three all time Symphony X for me and has potential to go even higher. Its a perfect metal album for me.
+1
Other than the Australian tour in September, the band has been pretty quiet. Live CD? Live DVD/BR? Another leg? Summer festival run in Europe? I think the fall/winter is probably reserved for Russell if he's out with TSO again.
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Every time I see an update in this thread I am hoping to see news of a live album coming out lol.
Oh well, I will say that Underworld hasn't even remotely gotten old and I am playing it all the time. It's top three all time Symphony X for me and has potential to go even higher. Its a perfect metal album for me.
A live CD/DVD would be incredible J, good call.
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well its been 15 years!! since the last live album, so they are due for one for sure.
Plus I think this is a great time to do one; hearing live tracks from UW would be real and spectacular.
I saw them live on this tour and they were fantastic (even though there was only 50 people in the crowd). But I would imagine if they filmed a show they would do a much longer and diverse set (hoping)
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I think live tracks from Odyssey onwards would be epic. I'd be all for a live album of mostly the later stuff.
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Jason, you've inspired me, just pulled out my copy of Underworld and it's going in the car right now as I leave for work! :metal
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Jason, you've inspired me, just pulled out my copy of Underworld and it's going in the car right now as I leave for work! :metal
I'm listening to it right now!!
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Orion... that's the one with the bunch of power chords and the boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
Brilliant :lol
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Jason, you've inspired me, just pulled out my copy of Underworld and it's going in the car right now as I leave for work! :metal
I'm listening to it right now!!
When this album was released I thought it was really solid but didn't blow me away. After listening to it again now, it's aging really really well and is a bloody fine album from start to finish. Nice mix of old and new SX and has a wonderful replay value, great album.
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I just hope we don't have to wait another 5 years for the next one. :omg:
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I just hope we don't have to wait another 5 years for the next one. :omg:
yeah for sure
SX has never been consistent with releasing albums, or even updates or news for that matter.
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First ever Australian Tour, yup two dates, last night in Melbourne and tonight in Sydney.
Just about to leave for the venue, can't wait :metal
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Jason, you've inspired me, just pulled out my copy of Underworld and it's going in the car right now as I leave for work! :metal
I'm listening to it right now!!
When this album was released I thought it was really solid but didn't blow me away. After listening to it again now, it's aging really really well and is a bloody fine album from start to finish. Nice mix of old and new SX and has a wonderful replay value, great album.
I'm in the same boat here. The album sounds better on my second round of listens. Best thing they've done since Odyssey.
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I keep playing Underworld pretty often. I hope Symphony X releases a live version of it. The songs were amazing in a live setting. Aside this, I hope SyX does go into writing mode soon. The last two/three releases have been pretty solid.
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SX were great, the audience were insane, loud and very demanding.
A bit of banter between Russ and an audience member, ending in an impromptu performance of Led Zep's 'Immigrant Song'.
A slightly disappointing set list, considering that the band have never played here before, we got all of the 'Underworld' album.
With many albums skipped, I would have thought a 'greatest hits' setlist would have been more appropriate.
Instead we got a 'standard' 2016 setlist.
Still was an awesome night, Russ really impressed, he was everything a great frontman and singer should aspire to be.
Intro/Nevermore
Underworld
Without You
Kiss of Fire
Charon
To Hell and Back
In My Darkest Hour
Run With the Devil
Immigrant Song
(Led Zeppelin cover)
Swan Song
The Death of Balance / Lacrymosa
Serpent's Kiss
Of Sins and Shadows
Encore:
Set the World on Fire (The Lie of Lies)
Legend
Encore 2:
Sea of Lies
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Good stuff G ............I had to decide between Queensryche and SX and went for Queensryche , so hopefully they're on form. That set list makes me feel a little better about missing out as it has very few of my faves.
Still - disappointed at not getting along and glad to see that they did well.
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I had only seen SX supporting Dream Theater in 2007 in Newport Wales.
They only played a 45min set then, so I was keen to see them play a full set.
Queensryche, I've never seen live, haven't been interested in them since Promised Land, but I really
want to see them on Saturday night, so I'll probably go along, I have no idea of the setlist either, I like surprises!
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Yeah, they're playing the same setlist this year, Underworld in its entirety. I saw them in march or something, (sans Immigrant song) and it was pretty much the exact same set. Bit of a shame, unless there's a pro-shot dvd in the works, but a recording with material from Paradise Lost, and other recent albums would be great though.
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So if there's any new live album at all it'll probably be mostly Underworld? I mean love Underworld, but...
Welp. Here goes to another 20 years of waiting a live symphonic version of TDWOT. :(
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Yeah, considering the band has never played Australia before, that's a bizarre and underwhelming setlist, even if it is the standard set for the tour.
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So, they play their best album in its entirety, which, coincidentally, they are also touring right now, and it's an "underwhelming" set list? :lol
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So, they play their best album in its entirety, which, coincidentally, they are also touring right now, and it's an "underwhelming" set list? :lol
I personally loved Underworld and wouldn't mind a properly recorded live version of it. Saw them in San Antonio and they kicked so much ass. Russ is one of the best front man out there.
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I wouldn't rank it in their top 5 of albums, personally.
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I wouldn't rank it in their top 5 of albums, personally.
I wouldn't rank YOU in my top 5 albums.
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harsh, but true
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So, they play their best album in its entirety, which, coincidentally, they are also touring right now, and it's an "underwhelming" set list? :lol
That's just one's opinion.
I wouldn't rank it in their top 5 of albums, personally.
I'd probably agree.
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So, they play their best album in its entirety, which, coincidentally, they are also touring right now, and it's an "underwhelming" set list? :lol
That's just one's opinion.
Yes, but that doesn't make it any less correct.
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I sense an album ranking coming.
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I still have no idea how to rank Underworld. I rarely have the urge to listen to it, but when I do I really can't find anything wrong with it. Every song is at a high level of quality and it makes a really exciting listen. But nothing has really entered my SX all time favorites.
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I sense an album ranking coming.
Fine.
Underworld
The Odyssey
V
Iconoclast
Paradise Lost
everything else - not interested
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I can definitely see how Underworld would be your favorite if you don't care for their earlier work.
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Underworld
The Odyssey
V: The New Mythology Suite
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Twilight in Olympus
Paradise Lost
Iconoclast
The Damnation Game
Self Titled
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I can definitely see how Underworld would be your favorite if you don't care for their earlier work.
Not trying to be insulting to anyone that likes the earlier albums, but here is my take: I have either Twilight or DWOT (I forget which). I have only listened to it once through. My reaction to it, as well as the songs I heard from The Damnation Game, was basically "This sounds like a much younger band that was eventually going to grow up and write V and The Odyssey, but hasn't quite figured out how to write really good songs yet that don't sound like generic power metal." And that's fine. But it just doesn't really interest me.
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I still have no idea how to rank Underworld. I rarely have the urge to listen to it, but when I do I really can't find anything wrong with it. Every song is at a high level of quality and it makes a really exciting listen. But nothing has really entered my SX all time favorites.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about the album. Really consistent, but none of the songs blow me away like the best tracks from some of their other albums.
Not sure quite how to rank all the albums, other than having TDWOT at the top and I think probably Paradise Lost at #2.
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Being a newer fan, i would rank them:
Underworld
Iconoclast
Paradise Lost (a very close 3rd, practically a tie with Iconoclast)
The Odyssey
...everything else.
I'm just not that big on the earlier, more symphonic, stuff (odd, considering the band's NAME!). But these last 4 albums have been getting better and better with each release, IMO.
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The Odyssey
V
Paradise Lost
Underworld
Damnation Game
Twilight In Olympus
Divine Wings of Tragedy
Iconoclast
Symphony X
The top three are near perfect albums. The next 5 are so close they might as well be tied.
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Underworld
The Damnation Game
Paradise Lost
Twilight in Olympus
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
The Odyssey
Iconoclast
V
Symphony X
Underworld has moved up a few spots since I last ranked these, but the rest of the list is similar.
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Twilight in Olympus
The Odyssey
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Paradise Lost
V: The New Mythology Suite
Underworld
The Damnation Game
Iconoclast
Symphony X
Not much has changed, but then I haven't listened to SX much lately. I really should do something about that.
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Just posting it here, but I'm running a Symphony X survivor, if anyone is interested:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49261.0
:D
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Just posting it here, but I'm running a Symphony X survivor, if anyone is interested:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49261.0
:D
sounds good!
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Just posting it here, but I'm running a Symphony X survivor, if anyone is interested:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49261.0
:D
sounds good!
Indeed.
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I made this list in March 2016 and I still feel pretty much the same:
1.) The Odyssey
2.) Underworld
3.) The Divine Wings of Tragedy
4.) Paradise Lost
5.) Iconoclast
6.) Twilight in Olympus
7.) V
8.) The Damnation Game
9.) Symphony X
If anything, I might push Iconoclast even above Paradise Lost, as I've warmed up to it even more than before and I feel it's criminally underrated.
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I'm kind of surprised at how low V is in your list. Mine would be:
1.) Underworld
2.) Iconoclast
3.) V
4.) Divine Wings of Tragedy
5.) Paradise Lost
6.) The Odyssey
7.) Twilight in Olympus
8.) The Damnation Game
9.) Symphony X
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Yeah, I know I go against the majority with that one, but although I love some of the songs on their own (Evolution, Fallen and Fool's Paradise are actually among my favourite "shorts" by the band), the whole album sounds very lost in preludes/interludes to me, very disjointed and incoherent and, in fact, rather overrated. I still love it, cause it's Symph X, it's just that as a cohesive whole I like the other albums more.
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Nice to see Underworld getting high rankings. It's just an outstanding album and I would put it top three, maybe in the top two for myself
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I agree! Underworld is such a great album. Probaly my fav SX album to date. :tup
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I really like Underworld now. At first I thought it was pretty meh, but has grown into a monster of an album.
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I was watching early 70s concert footage of Genesis on YouTube, and I couldn't help but think to myself "Gee, I wish there was a band that performed like this nowadays."
Then I realized that Symphony X TOTALLY has the same kind of shtik going on with their Underworld shows. The stage decorations (perching gargoyles on either end of the stage, the fog and moody lights), Russell's masks, his mannerisms, the way he becomes each character and the way he explains the story in between songs. Totally taking a page out of Peter Gabriel's book when it comes to being a frontman. And he's not even a "prog" kind of guy, he admits that he really only listens to classic 80's hard rock and metal bands. So where he got the idea to try this stuff, who knows exactly. But it's really awesome and gave me even more appreciation for what's already one of my favorite bands. :lol I really hope they do another U.S tour with Underworld soon.
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I didn't know the tour was so elaborate in the stage show. Good stuff.
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Symphony X was the first prog metal band I heard aside from DT, and I initially was more of a SymX fan than a DT one. Nowadays I have to say I prefer DT by far, but they're still an incredible band. Even though I feel they got a bit samey from Paradise Lost on, Underworld beats DT's recent output for me. By the way, I can totally see how people would dig their last three albums more. The style is more streamlined and the production is more professional. But it was the older proggy albums I fell in love with when I was 15 years old.
1. V: The New Mythology Suite
2. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
3. The Odyssey
4. Twilight in Olympus
5. Underworld
6. Paradise Lost
7. The Damnation Game
8. Iconoclast
9. Symphony X - funny how DT and SymX both have a subpar debut album with a different singer
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Here is a complete show from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtxxkP5KlK4
Their entire set from Bloodstock is also up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bd3R30AM1E
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I'm liking Allen's vocals more on Underworld. He's always sounded great but all the "GRRR!!!!" on the last couple albums was a little tiring.
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Yeah, I agree. There is still PLENTY of grit. But he is melodic as well, even when he is singing really aggressively.
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Underworld is the perfect balance for his voice.
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I for one am very happy he went back to a more melodic style of singing. I hated all the harsh vocals on the Odyssy, hated it on Paradise Lost and other albums as well. Very happy with his voice on Underworld.
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I for one am very happy he went back to a more melodic style of singing. I hated all the harsh vocals on the Odyssy, hated it on Paradise Lost and other albums as well. Very happy with his voice on Underworld.
Was there a lot of that on The Odyssey? I haven't listened to it in a long time. Currently listening to The Damnation Game for the first time. I'll put on The Odyssey after.
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Is there any news about Symphony X planning a tour or releasing a new album this year?
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Is there any news about Symphony X planning a tour or releasing a new album this year?
Nothing that's been reported. But SX has never been the best in providing updates for what they are up to
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Also takes them at least 4 years to make an album.
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this year is the 20 year anniversary of Divine Wings. Would LOVE to see a tour featuring that album. (it's also the 15th for The Odyssey, so maybe they can throw the title track on as the encore.)
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this year is the 20 year anniversary of Divine Wings. Would LOVE to see a tour featuring that album. (it's also the 15th for The Odyssey, so maybe they can throw the title track on as the encore.)
15 Years since the Odyssey! Good lord that makes me feel old.
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I know, right?!?
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Is there any news about Symphony X planning a tour or releasing a new album this year?
Nothing that's been reported. But SX has never been the best in providing updates for what they are up to
I doubt we will be hearing much from Symphony X this year. Their bass player Mike Lepond is working on the mixdown and post production to his second solo album, a follow up to his first one Silent Assassins. I'm ok with this, Silent Assassins is a fantastic metal album. Can't wait to hear this new one!! Michael Romeo is helping with the production and some guitar work. I like this project as much as anything Symphony X has ever done. It's more bass and guitar driven with way less keyboards..
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this year is the 20 year anniversary of Divine Wings. Would LOVE to see a tour featuring that album. (it's also the 15th for The Odyssey, so maybe they can throw the title track on as the encore.)
15 Years since the Odyssey! Good lord that makes me feel old.
I remember getting into this band around the time The Odyssey was released. Good lord 15 years, wow.
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Also takes them at least 4 years to make an album.
Do they tour a lot or do they have day jobs?
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I think one of them is a music teacher or works at a music store or something. Saw a clip of another one who owns a food truck. Russell Allen has other projects, namely TSO. No idea what Michael Romeo does. I assume he teaches on the side too.
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this year is the 20 year anniversary of Divine Wings. Would LOVE to see a tour featuring that album. (it's also the 15th for The Odyssey, so maybe they can throw the title track on as the encore.)
15 Years since the Odyssey! Good lord that makes me feel old.
I remember getting into this band around the time The Odyssey was released. Good lord 15 years, wow.
It was V The New Mythology for me, in 2000. But I realised a few days ago that 1987 was 30 years ago :omg:. My best year for music I think. I had my first job and cash to spend.
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It was The Odyssey for me back in probably around 2003. I went back and got V and liked it a lot. Tried the stuff before that and didn't much care for it. I have bought every new release since then and thought they were each decent, but not great, up until Underworld, which I feel is the album of their careers.
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It was V. for me as well. Every new release is an automatic buy for me. But come on, after all these years STILL no decent dvd recording?
Also, that live album doesn't nearly get the credit it deserves. The energy on that one....
On the prospects of any new material, I'd say slim for the next couple years. Russel is doing the Ayreon Live concerts in september and I don't know what the rest of the band is up to.
Romeo is probably brooding in his little homestudio somewhere. :P
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It was V. for me as well. Every new release is an automatic buy for me. But come on, after all these years STILL no decent dvd recording?
Also, that live album doesn't nearly get the credit it deserves. The energy on that one....
On the prospects of any new material, I'd say slim for the next couple years. Russel is doing the Ayreon Live concerts in september and I don't know what the rest of the band is up to.
Romeo is probably brooding in his little homestudio somewhere. :P
If you scroll up and read my previous post, it will clue you in on what two of the other members are up to. ;)
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Got into Symphony X right when Twilight In Olympus was released, though the first album i heard was The Divine Wings Of Tragedy. By the time V was released, i got to see them on that tour here in Brazil, still one of the best concerts i've ever been.
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Got into them when V was released. That album and The Odyssey are still the pinnacle for me. Underworld is a nice return to form.
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I got into them around the time V was released. Between Michael's guitar playing and Russell's vocals, it was a win right away for me. The song "Fallen", was and still is, one of my favorites.
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Yeah, Fallen is pretty great. That whole album is.
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Sounds like SX might be done, at least for a while. Russell said there are no plans for future music or touring. He also said he feels like an actor playing a part in the band and more himself in Adrenaline Mob, which he's 100% committed to.
Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=clJ-EYYr-dA
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Which sucks, because A. Mob is just empty and does nothing for me.
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Can't say I'm surprised. I don't know much about his background, but based on what he does outside of SX it seems like he's more of a straightforward rock/metal singer who just happened to end up in a prog band.
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well, that would certainly suck
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If anything good comes out of this, it will give Mike Lepond (bass player) more time to devote to his own project "Silent Assassins" which is awesome! I will miss Russel Allen with SX though. Bummer indeed!
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You're right. I've been listening to SyX since a friend played Twilight in Olympus for me. What a great album that is. It has one of my two favorite SyX songs, Through the Looking Glass. I guess we're getting to those times where a lot of bands we've listened to for the last couple of decades will start to retire or move on to different things. How many more albums does DT, Fates Warning, or Marillion have left in them? Rush is basically done (for now). It's going to start to get depressing. Thank the gods that we have some newer talent like Haken that kicks ass.
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You're right. I've been listening to SyX since a friend played Twilight in Olympus for me. What a great album that is. It has one of my two favorite SyX songs, Through the Looking Glass. I guess we're getting to those times where a lot of bands we've listened to for the last couple of decades will start to retire or move on to different things. How many more albums does DT, Fates Warning, or Marillion have left in them? Rush is basically done (for now). It's going to start to get depressing. Thank the gods that we have some newer talent like Haken that kicks ass.
This!
I got into SX only a few months after I got into DT. I hope this only means they won't do anything for the next few years or so. Underworld was going in a more straight forward metal direction but it was still pretty awesome.
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That sucks! SX usually takes their time between albums so waiting is nothing new but SX without Russell, that's very hard to imagine.
Honestly, I tried getting into A Mob but it's so damn generic.
Ditching SX for that is........ but yea if that's his thing, then it is what it is.
The only thing I could hope for is that this for some reason will make SX to go back to their old sound ala TDWOT and TIO with less focus on heaviness and more the Neo-classical metal style with more piano, synth and so on. Ethereal is the word I used to associate with SX, so be more like that SX. :biggrin: Yea one can dream atleast.
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You're right. I've been listening to SyX since a friend played Twilight in Olympus for me. What a great album that is. It has one of my two favorite SyX songs, Through the Looking Glass. I guess we're getting to those times where a lot of bands we've listened to for the last couple of decades will start to retire or move on to different things. How many more albums does DT, Fates Warning, or Marillion have left in them? Rush is basically done (for now). It's going to start to get depressing. Thank the gods that we have some newer talent like Haken that kicks ass.
This!
I got into SX only a few months after I got into DT. I hope this only means they won't do anything for the next few years or so. Underworld was going in a more straight forward metal direction but it was still pretty awesome.
Well, a few months after my friend told me that Russell said no SyX for a while, he said they were working on something new, which wound up being Underworld. So, you really never know what will happen. Underworld was good, but not my favorite though.
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I'm confident Symphony X will be back.
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Well, shit. I actually casually like Adrenaline Mob, but Symphony X was always where it was at for me (that, and Star One + solo album in terms of Russel Allen material).
Well, in my dream scenario Romeo (and the others) will do a project in the vein of Avantasia. Romeo writes most of the SX material, as well as their lyrics and if they aren't going to tour I hope he will still produce music. A continuation SX without Russel will be hard to imagine. But then again, I have said the same for Kamelot and Nightwish in the past, and bands like Iced Earth and (Turilli's) Rhapsody also convinced me after a while. So we'll see.
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Sounds like SX might be done, at least for a while. Russell said there are no plans for future music or touring. He also said he feels like an actor playing a part in the band and more himself in Adrenaline Mob, which he's 100% committed to.
Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=clJ-EYYr-dA
Fucking ouch! Not good news at all. I liked the first two AMob albums, but this new song is not good. SX is lightyears ahead of AMob, but I guess whatever makes him happy.
At least we'll see another Allen/Lande also. Hopefully with Karlsson and not Tolkki obviously.
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If I'm hearing it correctly, Russell never said Symphony X disbanded. He just said there are no plans for the future at this very moment. Maybe in two or three years, they'll get back together.
But honestly, as far as I'm concerned, they don't have to. They haven't released a great album in 15 years and whatever they had to say, they had already said it. It's been a solid ride.
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They haven't released a great album in 15 years and whatever they had to say, they had already said it. It's been a solid ride.
Wow.
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Hmm Paradise Lost was great. The concept alone is not an easy undertaking. I'll say it has been ten years since they released something great.
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Underworld is an outstanding album and one of my favorites from SX. That's why I was really hoping for a live album from this tour because I think some of the songs from UW are the best the band has ever released.
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Yea Underworld is definitely the best album they've done in recent years.
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They haven't released a great album in 15 years and whatever they had to say, they had already said it. It's been a solid ride.
Agreed.
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Except Underworld is fucking fantastic.
Also, shitty news is shitty.
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Damn, I thought Underworld was great, and I really cannot imagine SX without Russell, who is probably my favorite (metal) vocalist out there. Glad I saw them on the last tour.
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Underworld is Indeed fantastic! That's why it seems strange that Russel Allen is losing interest on such a high note. That album highlighted his vocals more than any other SX release imo..
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Symphony X going dormant for a while = nothing new.
Russell having more fun with A-Mob than his own main band = didn't see it coming. And bad news also!
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Underworld at first I was a bit lukewarm to, but as it has aged, I think it's fucking brilliant.
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Underworld is Indeed fantastic! That's why it seems strange that Russel Allen is losing interest on such a high note. That album highlighted his vocals more than any other SX release imo..
Not sure where the losing interest is coming from. There has been no indication of this whatsoever. I think the band how it works is Romeo writes the music, then Romeo and Russell get together for lyrics and melodies, and then tracking begins. I'm assuming Romeo is working on music right now since the band has been a bit quiet. Just because Russell has other projects, that doesn't mean he is losing interest in the band.
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Underworld at first I was a bit lukewarm to, but as it has aged, I think it's fucking brilliant.
Yes it is brilliant!!
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Underworld at first I was a bit lukewarm to, but as it has aged, I think it's fucking brilliant.
Yes it is brilliant!!
Underworld is indeed a great listen!
If the other SX guys want to make more music at some point, i don't think they should wait for Allen. There are a lot of great singers around, i don't think the seat would be vacant for long..
If Russel prefers to be beating a dead horse with the A. Mob, they should let him...
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That would be major shoes to fill. I'm sure everybody would prefer to have Russell still front the band, but I don't think anyone wants to wait around another five years or more for the next release.
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Underworld is indeed a great listen!
If the other SX guys want to make more music at some point, i don't think they should wait for Allen. There are a lot of great singers around, i don't think the seat would be vacant for long..
If Russel prefers to be beating a dead horse with the A. Mob, they should let him...
Pretty sure that it's the other way around. I haven't listened to the interview, but I'd guess that Russell doesn't want to sit around and wait for Symphony X to write another record. They tend to take long hiatuses between albums, so he fills his time with other projects like Adrenaline Mob and the TSO winter tours each year.
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Except Underworld is fucking fantastic.
Also, shitty news is shitty.
This sums up my thoughts nicely.
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Underworld is Indeed fantastic! That's why it seems strange that Russel Allen is losing interest on such a high note. That album highlighted his vocals more than any other SX release imo..
Not sure where the losing interest is coming from. There has been no indication of this whatsoever. I think the band how it works is Romeo writes the music, then Romeo and Russell get together for lyrics and melodies, and then tracking begins. I'm assuming Romeo is working on music right now since the band has been a bit quiet. Just because Russell has other projects, that doesn't mean he is losing interest in the band.
I apologize for my statement. I hadn't heard the interview that was posted earlier in the thread..
Damn, this sucks. LOL. Trading Symphony X for AMob? :-[
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Good interview. Yeah, bummer on Symphony X. But I don't get the sense that he is sort of "abandoning" Symphony X for Adrenaline Mob. I think he definitely is fully invested in AMob right now, and that's cool. They do absolutely nothing for me, but that's fine. But as far as SX is concerned, I get the feeling that he just isn't into trying to predict when they'll next get something together given Romeo's habit of taking so long between albums. I have no clue what he is involved in that he spends his time on day to day, but the lengthy gaps between albums and lack of effort in trying to promote SX just seems like such a huge waste of talent. So after all this time, I get it if Russ feels like he wants to devote his attention elsewhere in the mean time.
Oh, and Underworld is brilliant. Album of their careers, IMO.
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The vocals can be replaced, but not the charisma.
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So after the release of Psychotic Symphony I have gotten into some prog *metal* again and started listening to a lot of the newer Symphony X stuff again. I haven't listened to this music this intensely for two years now.
Paradise Lost has always been a very under appreciated album in my opinion. Sure, it's way heavier and darker than their previous albums, and it's more on the metal side than on the prog side compared to, say, The Odyssey. It might be because it was my first SX album, but I think it's full of great hook lines and melodies. Especially the final piece, Divus Pennae Ex Tragoedia, which reveals that the whole album seems to be somewhat of a sequel of the Divine Wings Of Tragedy song.
Iconoclast was always a bit too heavy for me, it had no ballads at all. But the more melodic songs are absolutely stunning in my opinion, especially When All Is Lost and Reign Of Madness.
Underworld went in a more pop-oriented direction as I see it, and I LOVE that direction. Nevermore, Run With The Devil, Without You, Swan Song, To Hell And Back and most of all Legend have hook lines and choruses that could be radio-fitting if they were arranged differently. The structures of the songs are a lot more conventional than on Iconoclast, which makes them easier to listen to.
Sometimes I miss the all-to-obvious classical and baroque references of Damnation Game and Masquerade, but the new direction of the music suits the band very well I think. Plus, I just can't stop to rock out while that "Aaaah"-bridge from Legend plays.
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I love Underworld. Its two immediate predecessors really had some nice moments as well. It's just that they are so one-note that a lot of the coolness gets lost in the nonstop barrage of complex heaviness for me.
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I think I'm in the minority that prefers Paradise Lost, Iconoclast, and Underworld to their early albums. Just can't get into anything before PL with the exception of a choice few songs. Also thought the single CD version of Iconoclast is better than the 2CD version.
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Underworld is cool, but i can't really get into Paradise Lost and Iconoclast. Everything from Damnation Game to Odyssey is 100% gold, though. TDWOT is probably a top 3 prog metal album of all time, IMHO.
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I love Underworld, but have always struggled to get into their back catalog for some reason. Maybe it's time to try again.
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The last 3 SyX releases have been amazing but Underworld was just freaking amazing from start to finish. For me, it's the most perfect album Symphony X has put out. The songs are all amazing, the songwriting, the playing, the production and mix is just perfect. Love this one!
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The only thing I don't like about Underworld is that one line in Kiss of Fire: "Bring down the hammer with furious anger!" :lol :lol
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The only thing I don't like about Underworld is that one line in Kiss of Fire: "Bring down the hammer with furious anger!" :lol :lol
You are a strange dude.
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Well, you're not wrong. :lol
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I didn't read the entire thread so someone may have said this but listening to the new SOA gave me a craving to listen to Iconoclast to hear Prog Metal done right. Fantastic album!
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First of all, Hi everybody !
I was lurking over at the MP forum for years with an occasionally post.
Since it shut down, I deceided to give this place a try :-)
I discovered SX back in 2007, when they supported DT in Antwerp.
Paradise Lost was just released and I loved it. The music, the voice, the arrangements, briljant. Would love te see new stuff in the future...
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Cool, Welcome to DT forms!
Yeah Symphony X is one of my favs too. I got into them arou,d the same time. I actually started around 2005 with Divine Wings of Tragedy, The Oddysee, then Paradise Lost. Since then, Iconoclast really impressed me and now Underworld is probably their best album imo. Russel Allen really shines on this album. Got to see them live in Seattle two years ago, fantastic!
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Here I was entering this thread thinking there's SX news... :-\
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I didn't read the entire thread so someone may have said this but listening to the new SOA gave me a craving to listen to Iconoclast to hear Prog Metal done right. Fantastic album!
That's exactly what I wrote, except it was PL, I and UW ;)
Here I was entering this thread thinking there's SX news... :-\
Sorry dude :(
Its two immediate predecessors really had some nice moments as well. It's just that they are so one-note that a lot of the coolness gets lost in the nonstop barrage of complex heaviness for me.
I get what you are saying. Underworld is not that overloaded as Iconoclast. Paradise Lost on the other hand I think is more compact than Iconoclast though.
It's just, I have gotten into this band again and again and whenever that happens I have the urge to talk about it :)
BTW I just listened to The Odyssey (song) in the car. Wow, what a masterpiece!
Also I think, Underworld kinda stands on the same side of the Prog genre as Psychotic Symphony does. But it's better than Psychotic Symphony, I dare to say.
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probably my favorite band not named Rush. I was initially down on PL and Iconoclast (moreso with Iconoclast), but my goodness both albums rock. Underworld is a masterpiece.
BTW I just listened to The Odyssey (song) in the car. Wow, what a masterpiece!
yep. This song just blows me away every time I hear it. Hell, calling it a "song" doesn't even seem right - doesn't do it justice. It's an experience.
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Giving the last 3 albums a good listen. Paradise Lost is such a good song, ruined by the fade out at the end.
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A guy i would love to see in some big prog band is Thomas Miller, Symphony X's first bass player. It's a shame he apparently quit the business. That guy rivals I&W-era Myung as my favorite Prog metal bass player. I like Lepond too, but this guy was on another level.
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Ah I almost forgot to mention :D I absolutely love how Russel sings the line "BRING DOWN THE HAMMER WITH FURIOUS ANGER" :lol
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Here I was entering this thread thinking there's SX news... :-\
I thought the same thing.
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Underworld is an absolute masterpiece. I’m so disappointed that they decided to take a break right when the iron was (imo) the hottest. Also, they should have made a DVD the last tour.
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Underworld is an absolute masterpiece. I’m so disappointed that they decided to take a break right when the iron was (imo) the hottest. Also, they should have made a DVD the last tour.
Not a DVD, but here's a pro-shot show where they sound great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bd3R30AM1E
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Underworld is an absolute masterpiece. I’m so disappointed that they decided to take a break right when the iron was (imo) the hottest. Also, they should have made a DVD the last tour.
Not a DVD, but here's a pro-shot show where they sound great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bd3R30AM1E
Yeah, I saw that one. It’s good for what it is, but the camera work is all over the place, plus the keyboard solos are completely out of the mix. Russell is amazing live.
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Underworld is an absolute masterpiece. I’m so disappointed that they decided to take a break right when the iron was (imo) the hottest. Also, they should have made a DVD the last tour.
Not a DVD, but here's a pro-shot show where they sound great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bd3R30AM1E
Yeah, I saw that one. It’s good for what it is, but the camera work is all over the place, plus the keyboard solos are completely out of the mix. Russell is amazing live.
Yeah, I was all where are the keys. Especially during Back to Hell.
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The Symphony X hiatuses are frustrating. I'm not sure if they are for financial reasons or if that's just what they do, but I feel they've squandered a lot of potential and musical development that way.
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Yeah, at least we got Adrenaline Mob in return. :\
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Yeah, at least we got Adrenaline Mob in return. :\
We also got Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins, which is actually a really good metal album! :tup
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For a minute i thought i saw Derek Sherinian on the left side of the stage
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Yeah, at least we got Adrenaline Mob in return. :\
We also got Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins, which is actually a really good metal album! :tup
Thanks, I just checked out the title track, it's a really kickass '80s throwback. Nice to hear Romeo there, too, didn't even know he was involved. Really promising!
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Yeah, at least we got Adrenaline Mob in return. :\
We also got Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins, which is actually a really good metal album! :tup
Thanks, I just checked out the title track, it's a really kickass '80s throwback. Nice to hear Romeo there, too, didn't even know he was involved. Really promising!
It definitely has the raw kind of classic metal sound. I highly recommend this album, it's addicting the whole way through. Also word has it there's a follow up release coming soon.
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Silent Assassins fucking rules! :metal :metal :metal
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Most definitely! :metal :metal :metal
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From 'Paradise Lost' onward the production has gotten a lot more professional sounding, but also a bit sterile. For some reason I like their older albums a lot better, even with the at times sub par production values. I think those albums 'breathe' a lot more and just have more mojo.
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I bought Silent Assassins album last night, but won't be able to listen to it until tonight. Can't wait!
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I love Underworld. Its two immediate predecessors really had some nice moments as well. It's just that they are so one-note that a lot of the coolness gets lost in the nonstop barrage of complex heaviness for me.
I like their later albums but I don't listen to them a whole lot and that's why I also get the impression of "nonstop barrage of complex heaviness". Paradise Lost, Iconoclast, & even Underworld kind of all blend together for me.
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
That album kicks ass, bro.
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
That album kicks ass, bro.
Maybe I'll give it another spin.
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I have never heard about this project, maybe I'll check it out!
I agree, Russel should stick to SyX and leave that embarrassment of a band AMob. What a total waste of talent.
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I have never heard about this project, maybe I'll check it out!
Yes, check it out! Silent Assassins rules.
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I agree, Russel should stick to SyX and leave that embarrassment of a band AMob. What a total waste of talent.
Maybe it's because he has more control/say over AMOB than he has on SX. I remember that, when Portnoy left AMOB, Russell said the core/leaders of the band have always been Mike Orlando and him. In contrast, I think Romeo is the one in charge of SX.
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The latest Adrenaline Mob album had a song that, to my ears, aimed for Iconoclast-esque SX. And it made me appreciate SX even more, because even when SX goes straightup metal and lower the amount of prog/melody in their music, they are in the top of the kind of music they are making. Unlike the Amob song in question. Here is the song, Lords of Thunder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-BwxzeIw_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-BwxzeIw_w).
Despite me enjoying some of the Amob material, I have always been a bit disappointed. Because I think Russel Allen can make some great material regardless of it being prog or straight up rock. Take, for example, Russel Allen's solo album. I dig that one very much and it blows any Amob album out of the water.
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I agree, Russel should stick to SyX and leave that embarrassment of a band AMob. What a total waste of talent.
Maybe it's because he has more control/say over AMOB than he has on SX. I remember that, when Portnoy left AMOB, Russell said the core/leaders of the band have always been Mike Orlando and him. In contrast, I think Romeo is the one in charge of SX.
No, he said something along the lines of AMob's music being something that's more comfortable to him, whereas in SX he feels like he's playing a part.
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
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I've said it before, i'll say it now. I think SymX should replace Russel!
There must be singers who sound exactly like Russel, and can put on a great show on stage. Just like Queensryche was able to find a perfect replacement for Tate..
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They already disappear for two years after an album cycle. If they sack their ultimate singer that helped a lot in making them known, it's the end for them.
Sure there must be out there someone who is able to belt the tunes, just like there must be someone who coudl take on 3 hours of DT material at night. But in both cases it would just feel wrong and misplaced, after a whole carreer with a defining singer (minus the debut album that no one really cares about anymore).
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I've said it before, i'll say it now. I think SymX should replace Russel!
There must be singers who sound exactly like Russel, and can put on a great show on stage. Just like Queensryche was able to find a perfect replacement for Tate..
No way. I'm not so sure the long album cycles are on Russel.
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Really not sure what's going to become of Russell Allen besides TSO, which is a nice paying gig. The AMob accident must have been a gut wrencher. Wouldn't be surprised if AMob isn't Amob anymore. He is known for his work with SyX but I'm not sure if his heart is in SyX or prog-metal in general. He has always been a hard rock kind of guy.
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I've said it before, i'll say it now. I think SymX should replace Russel!
There must be singers who sound exactly like Russel, and can put on a great show on stage. Just like Queensryche was able to find a perfect replacement for Tate..
No way. I'm not so sure the long album cycles are on Russel.
I don't think so either. He seems like a guy that just wants to work, and he has all of these other projects and bands because Symphony X has so much down-time in between cycles.
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Personally I would lean towards replacing Russell - if Russell was the problem here. I don't think he is, because SX's low profile was a thing long before Adrenaline Mob came around. I think it's Romeo, or other guys in the band, and there is a reluctance to replace anybody in the band for fear of losing what makes them 'them' - or, perhaps, Symphony X simply is not a priority anymore (Jason Rullo has a food truck apparently??). It's a tragedy, these guys should've been on the road constantly over the years and should have released numerous albums after The Odyssey but we've only had 3 in 15 years...
Something's up and it just sucks. The quality of songwriting, of riffs, of singing, and the band just kind of lingers in limbo for years at a time... what a shame.
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Maybe the long hiatus is what they want, non want as in "I think it's nice to let everyone forget about us for 2 years or more" but more as in "My life choices, priorities and commitments make me feel better to dedicate just some time to Symphony X and then longer times to other stuff".
I wish them all to live off their music but most certainly this isn't the case.
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Really not sure what's going to become of Russell Allen besides TSO, which is a nice paying gig. The AMob accident must have been a gut wrencher. Wouldn't be surprised if AMob isn't Amob anymore. He is known for his work with SyX but I'm not sure if his heart is in SyX or prog-metal in general. He has always been a hard rock kind of guy.
Speaking of AMOB, has there been any updates recently? I wonder if everyone is quiet because of the legal case.
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Really not sure what's going to become of Russell Allen besides TSO, which is a nice paying gig. The AMob accident must have been a gut wrencher. Wouldn't be surprised if AMob isn't Amob anymore. He is known for his work with SyX but I'm not sure if his heart is in SyX or prog-metal in general. He has always been a hard rock kind of guy.
Speaking of AMOB, has there been any updates recently? I wonder if everyone is quiet because of the legal case.
Yes, that's what presumably is going on now. I know Mike Orlando is starting to get involved in music again as he is going to Brasil for clinics. And Russ is off with TSO. But nothing else has surfaced in regards to the future of the band.
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Maybe the long hiatus is what they want, non want as in "I think it's nice to let everyone forget about us for 2 years or more" but more as in "My life choices, priorities and commitments make me feel better to dedicate just some time to Symphony X and then longer times to other stuff".
I wish them all to live off their music but most certainly this isn't the case.
I'm pretty sure everyone except Russ has dayjobs, I read that in some interview.
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
Wrong! 😁
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
Yeah mate. I'll doubt I'll even go back and check it out again.
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
Yeah mate. I'll doubt I'll even go back and check it out again.
I liked it on the first listen, but loved it after 3 or 4 listens. Some of my favorite albums of all time had to grow on me for a while.
Even though they're entitled to their opinion,, don't listen to these people. Silent Assassins is awesome! :metal
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
Yeah mate. I'll doubt I'll even go back and check it out again.
I liked it on the first listen, but loved it after 3 or 4 listens. Some of my favorite albums of all time had to grow on me for a while.
Even though they're entitled to their opinion,, don't listen to these people. Silent Assassins is awesome! :metal
I listened to it once, and it's a lot to take! It sounds like standard/traditional metal to me, but it's clearly an album that will benefit from multiple listens.
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This is the best link you´ll click on today: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-x-to-begin-work-on-follow-up-to-underworld/
Yessssssss!!!!
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We don't have to wait 5 years this time?
AWESOME!!!! :2metal:
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
Yeah mate. I'll doubt I'll even go back and check it out again.
If he was playing in a little red nut sack, you guys would think it was pretty good.
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This is great news. I was very worried about the band's future when Russell said he was fully committed to Amob and then the accident happened. Didn't know what to expect.
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This is great news. I was very worried about the band's future when Russell said he was fully committed to Amob and then the accident happened. Didn't know what to expect.
Yea, same. I wouldn’t have been too surprised if they broke up.
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Also looking forward to Michael Romeo's new solo album! :tup
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I thought the Silent Assassins was very ordinary.
I'm with you. I spun it once, and was very underwhelmed.
Yeah mate. I'll doubt I'll even go back and check it out again.
If he was playing in a little red nut sack, you guys would think it was pretty good.
It would certainly help.
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This is great news. I was very worried about the band's future when Russell said he was fully committed to Amob and then the accident happened. Didn't know what to expect.
Yea, same. I wouldn’t have been too surprised if they broke up.
My impression is that AMOB silently broke up or, at least, they're in an indefinite hiatus. Mike Orlando and their drummer just announced a new band with John Moyer and another vocalist, that's 2 AMOB members and 1 former member. I hope Russell sees SX as his priority now :metal
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Symphony X take longer to write albums, given the headstart, what if they release it more or less around the same time DT will release their first Inside Out album and the occasion of a joint tour arises? :hat Wouldn't be the first time but it'd be definitively welcomed!
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And less than 2 weeks ago I was pretty much certain Symphony X was done. What do you know...
Looking forward to this. I'm a fan of PL-era Symphony X onward as opposed to most of their stuff from The Odyssey on back, so bring it on. Underworld ruled.
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And less than 2 weeks ago I was pretty much certain Symphony X was done. What do you know...
Looking forward to this. I'm a fan of PL-era Symphony X onward as opposed to most of their stuff from The Odyssey on back, so bring it on. Underworld ruled.
They are very hit and miss for me. I don't really like the stuff before V, save a few songs here and there. But V and The Odyssey are fantastic. PL and Iconoclast are rare listens. But like you, I love Underworld. So I have mixed expectations. I'm glad a new album is in the works. But I have no idea whether or not I will actually like it.
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Also looking forward to Michael Romeo's new solo album! :tup
Absolutely! Also looking forward to Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins follow up album Jan 26th, it's called "Pawn and Prophecy". :metal
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Here's an interview I did with Michael Romeo about the new album and the state of things in Symphony X:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/i-wanted-the-orchestral-parts-to-be-overblown-with-a-lot-of-guitars-symphony-xs-michael-romeo-talks-to-lotsofmuzik-about-his-solo-album-war-of-the-worlds-part-i
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Here's an interview I did with Michael Romeo about the new album and the state of things in Symphony X:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/i-wanted-the-orchestral-parts-to-be-overblown-with-a-lot-of-guitars-symphony-xs-michael-romeo-talks-to-lotsofmuzik-about-his-solo-album-war-of-the-worlds-part-i
Great interview, man! :tup
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Here's an interview I did with Michael Romeo about the new album and the state of things in Symphony X:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/i-wanted-the-orchestral-parts-to-be-overblown-with-a-lot-of-guitars-symphony-xs-michael-romeo-talks-to-lotsofmuzik-about-his-solo-album-war-of-the-worlds-part-i
Great interview, man! :tup
Thanks!!!!
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Don't know if this was posted back in July, Russel posted this on fb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwIy1xkbDIU&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwIy1xkbDIU&feature=youtu.be)
It is a clip of Russel performing in honor of Dave, during a fundraiser in his honor. He really kicks ass vocally. I hope Russel is recovering well emotionally, he is obviously still dealing with it.
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Pretty cool. I've always liked that song, and this version is VERY close to Badlands' cover, which is just incredible (my band did that version of it). It is obvious from the way Russ sang it that he is very familiar with that version.
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Bump to say that I just saw mentioned on FB that Symphony X will be playing four dates in Italy in May. European tour and a new album to support it in the works?
Also, isn't this the first time for Russell to be back on stage with the guys after the accident with A-Mob?
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With the S-X guys, probably. But he did the TSO tour this Christmas season, didn't he?
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Russell did TSO in the winter.
I don't think they would release a new album for the European tour. I believe they just started writing and getting back together. Maybe they could play a new song...
Also, Romeo has Pt 2 of his solo album to be released. Hopefully that could come out sooner than the new SyX. Really excited for SyX. Love that band.
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I just absolutely love Michal Romeos solo album. The vocals are superb imo, and very well written songs! Gotta love the Star Wars themes glittered throughout. The guitar sound is excellent too on this release.
I also hope we get a part 2 before the next Symphony X release. I would like them to take their time making the next SX album something unequivocal. :metal
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I just absolutely love Michal Romeos solo album. The vocals are superb imo, and very well written songs!
:metal
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Just listened to Underworld for the first time. This is their best album in a while. First song Nevermore is a great way to kick off this kick ass album. Russel's clean vocals sound fantastic.
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Agreed. He finally got rid of the marbles in his mouth.
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Just listened to Underworld for the first time. This is their best album in a while. First song Nevermore is a great way to kick off this kick ass album. Russel's clean vocals sound fantastic.
Woah. Better late than never I guess man. Yeah killer album.
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Just listened to Underworld for the first time. This is their best album in a while. First song Nevermore is a great way to kick off this kick ass album. Russel's clean vocals sound fantastic.
Woah. Better late than never I guess man. Yeah killer album.
This may be heresy to diehard SymX fans, but Paradise Lost and Underworld are the albums I listen to most nowadays!
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I generally like the "middle" era of the band the best (V and The Odyssey). But I consider Underworld to be far and away the best thing they have ever done.
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I generally like the "middle" era of the band the best (V and The Odyssey). But I consider Underworld to be far and away the best thing they have ever done.
Yeah, this is my opinion too.
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I generally like the "middle" era of the band the best (V and The Odyssey). But I consider Underworld to be far and away the best thing they have ever done.
Yeah, this is my opinion too.
Yeah me too. Russel's vox are superb on this album! Great songs too. :tup
I hope the go in this kind of direction on their next album and more-so.
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Just listened to Underworld for the first time. This is their best album in a while. First song Nevermore is a great way to kick off this kick ass album. Russel's clean vocals sound fantastic.
Woah. Better late than never I guess man. Yeah killer album.
This may be heresy to diehard SymX fans, but Paradise Lost and Underworld are the albums I listen to most nowadays!
Me too.
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Underworld, sure. PL... mid-tier quality in the S-X discography.
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I've noticed I like their post V albums way more if I just listen to the songs on my Ipod shuffle. 4-5 songs in a row and I am burned out because it's all so samey, but when one comes on amidst other songs by other bands, I can appreciate it a lot more.
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Wow, I always thought I am in the minority, but it doesn't seem like that now. My fav SX albums are The Odyssey, Paradise Lost and Underworld.
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As much as I like Underworld because it's really a great album there's just something about tDWoT and that style of Neo-classical metal that hits home with me, sure a dose of nostalgia is a part of it. Even though the production is not that great I still love that album so much.
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Wow, so sad to see no love for Iconoclast, such an amazing album.
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Wow, so sad to see no love for Iconoclast, such an amazing album.
I love Iconoclast! It has a very melodic yet heavier edge to it, and it always puts me in a better mood. Children of a Faceless God is one of my favorite tracks from any SX album, and Electric Messiah isn't far behind with such a great chorus. The final track of that album " When All is Lost" is epic SX in all their glory! :metal
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Wow, so sad to see no love for Iconoclast, such an amazing album.
I love Iconoclast! It has a very melodic yet heavier edge to it, and it always puts me in a better mood. Children of a Faceless God is one of my favorite tracks from any SX album, and Electric Messiah isn't far behind with such a great chorus. The final track of that album " When All is Lost" is epic SX in all their glory! :metal
Indeed! That one and PL are my two SX favorites, never got too much into Underworld, I might need to listen to it again soon. As for the older albums, I just don't like all the neoclassical elements they used back then.
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I've noticed I like their post V albums way more if I just listen to the songs on my Ipod shuffle. 4-5 songs in a row and I am burned out because it's all so samey, but when one comes on amidst other songs by other bands, I can appreciate it a lot more.
This! I can listen to the entire Odyssey album as well (though I may skip The Turning). But PL and Iconoclast - listening to the whole albums irritates me and I find myself constantly hoping it's almost over. When listening to tracks individually, they seem much fresher. There are still tracks that aren't my thing though. Underworld was a big improvement for me, but didn't wind up staying with me for as long as I thought it would.
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Sidenote: I love the opening riff in Run with the Devil.
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I love Underworld, but my favorites are TDWOT, Twilight in Olympus, V and Damnation Game. Then Odyssey and Underworld. Not big on Paradise Lost and Iconoclast.
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I always found Iconoclast to be "a bit too much" of everything... It has great songs and moments, but it's hard for me to listen to it in one sitting. Unlike PL, UW, TO.
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I always found Iconoclast to be "a bit too much" of everything... It has great songs and moments, but it's hard for me to listen to it in one sitting.
Same here. Not a single song is bad, but from start to finish it's a long and relentless assault of heavy songs, all in the same style and with the same "roar growl I'm so mean and wicked, machines stuff stuff" lyrics, with what felt like the obligatory ballad at the end.
Paradise Lost however flows away quite easily for me.
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I always found Iconoclast to be "a bit too much" of everything... It has great songs and moments, but it's hard for me to listen to it in one sitting.
Same here. Not a single song is bad, but from start to finish it's a long and relentless assault of heavy songs, all in the same style and with the same "roar growl I'm so mean and wicked, machines stuff stuff" lyrics, with what felt like the obligatory ballad at the end.
That about sums it up for me too.
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Sidenote: I love the opening riff in Run with the Devil.
Yessss! I've been scouring the Internet since release to find a tab for this song, no luck haha. Couldn't seem to figure it out either
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Sidenote: I love the opening riff in Run with the Devil.
Yessss! I've been scouring the Internet since release to find a tab for this song, no luck haha. Couldn't seem to figure it out either
I whipped this up a few days ago:
Symphony X - Run With The Devil (FREE Full Guitar Tab!) (https://youtu.be/nNDDRWr8c5s)
In case anyone missed it, I've also transcribed the entire Distance Over Time album (Thread link (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53450.0)), and I'm sending the tab book for FREE. Just email me at maytropolees@comcast.net
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Sidenote: I love the opening riff in Run with the Devil.
Yessss! I've been scouring the Internet since release to find a tab for this song, no luck haha. Couldn't seem to figure it out either
I whipped this up a few days ago:
Symphony X - Run With The Devil (FREE Full Guitar Tab!) (https://youtu.be/nNDDRWr8c5s)
In case anyone missed it, I've also transcribed the entire Distance Over Time album (Thread link (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53450.0)), and I'm sending the tab book for FREE. Just email me at maytropolees@comcast.net
You have got to be kidding me. You are an angel! Wow.. now I need to actually learn this and that will be a challenge in itself. THANK YOU!
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Sidenote: I love the opening riff in Run with the Devil.
Yessss! I've been scouring the Internet since release to find a tab for this song, no luck haha. Couldn't seem to figure it out either
I whipped this up a few days ago:
Symphony X - Run With The Devil (FREE Full Guitar Tab!) (https://youtu.be/nNDDRWr8c5s)
In case anyone missed it, I've also transcribed the entire Distance Over Time album (Thread link (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53450.0)), and I'm sending the tab book for FREE. Just email me at maytropolees@comcast.net
You have got to be kidding me. You are an angel! Wow.. now I need to actually learn this and that will be a challenge in itself. THANK YOU!
Very happy to help! One of my big goals is to do some official Symphony X transcriptions. There's certainly a demand, hopefully we can make it happen.
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Just listened to "To Hell and Back" - what a song! :metal
Actually not too familiar with SX. I picked up their live album when it came out and played it to death - it's brilliant. I used to love cranking up the volume just to hear the crowd going bonanza. :lol The Odyssey and Paradise Lost are also in my collection, but neither really 'clicked'. The title track on Odyssey is fantastic though.
People used to say "you like DT, you should check out SX!" but I never got the comparison. I mean, I guess they both play "prog metal", but they sound totally different.
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Just listened to "To Hell and Back" - what a song! :metal
Actually not too familiar with SX. I picked up their live album when it came out and played it to death - it's brilliant. I used to love cranking up the volume just to hear the crowd going bonanza. :lol The Odyssey and Paradise Lost are also in my collection, but neither really 'clicked'. The title track on Odyssey is fantastic though.
People used to say "you like DT, you should check out SX!" but I never got the comparison. I mean, I guess they both play "prog metal", but they sound totally different.
You might like Underworld more than the two albums you mentioned because To Hell And Back is representative of the overall sound of that album.
I think people used to say that because SX was the second biggest prog band that at the same time did their own thing, DT clones were abundant in the late 90's and early 00's. Sorta like, hey, if DT isn't too crazy for you, welcome to the beautiful world of prog metal, have a Symphony X CD! :hat
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I kind of get the comparison. While SX aren't prog, they do long, complex songs that have a lot of elements that aren't "traditional" when it comes to metal. And they often mistakenly get lumped into the "prog" genre because of that, especially by those who aren't all that familiar with the different related subgenres (or by those who simply don't care about the distinctions, which is fine too). Years ago (2002 or 2003), I actually had them recommended to me for similar reasons. "Oh, you like DT. You should definitely check these guys out." I ended up liking The Odyssey, so it's all good.
And I second Mora's suggestion on Underworld. I consider it their best album by far.
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Just listened to "To Hell and Back" - what a song! :metal
Actually not too familiar with SX. I picked up their live album when it came out and played it to death - it's brilliant. I used to love cranking up the volume just to hear the crowd going bonanza. :lol The Odyssey and Paradise Lost are also in my collection, but neither really 'clicked'. The title track on Odyssey is fantastic though.
People used to say "you like DT, you should check out SX!" but I never got the comparison. I mean, I guess they both play "prog metal", but they sound totally different.
You might like Underworld more than the two albums you mentioned because To Hell And Back is representative of the overall sound of that album.
I think people used to say that because SX was the second biggest prog band that at the same time did their own thing, DT clones were abundant in the late 90's and early 00's. Sorta like, hey, if DT isn't too crazy for you, welcome to the beautiful world of prog metal, have a Symphony X CD! :hat
Speaking of DT clones. The intro to "Through the looking glass"? One of the reasons why I kept coming back to that live album. New music that sounded awfully familiar! :lol
Might check out Underworld more thoroughly. I played it briefly at work today and it sounded like a good one.
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Underworld is amazing.
Through the Looking Glass is what ultimately got me to check out DT. 2006 was a big year for me in regards to music.
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I totally consider Symphony X to be prog. Which reminds me of when I took a friend to a SX show. He wasn't much of a metal fan; didn't dislike it, just didn't listen to much, but he went because he felt like going to a show. He's a huge Rush fan (as am I), and when the show was done, he said, "Now that's a *progressive* metal band" and mentioned how he heard Rush influences too. I don't think people calling Symphony X progressive metal is a mistake at all. I do however agree that just because one likes DT, it doesn't automatically mean they'll like SX. It's not a bad recommendation though - there's a lot of overlap in the fan bases.
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Today I put together a "new SYX" playlist for my sister, who's pretty into all kinds of traditional and melodic metal but isn't a prog fan.
Went like this:
In My Darkest Hour
Without You
Run With The Devil
Paradise Lost
Electric Messiah
When All Is Lost
She told me it was great, so now it's time to give her some old Symphony X :metal That one is gonna be a little tricky, the power metal/neoclassical influences are close to stuff we like, like older Kamelot and Yngwie, but they go overboard with the song lengths and introduce so many cooky transitions in even the most straightforward songs. I'll let ya know how that went, suggestions are welcome!
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One of my personal favorite SX song is "Fallen". Just an awesome tune.
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Accolade 2 from the Odyssey is a good one.
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Today I put together a "new SYX" playlist for my sister, who's pretty into all kinds of traditional and melodic metal but isn't a prog fan.
Went like this:
In My Darkest Hour
Without You
Run With The Devil
Paradise Lost
Electric Messiah
When All Is Lost
She told me it was great, so now it's time to give her some old Symphony X :metal That one is gonna be a little tricky, the power metal/neoclassical influences are close to stuff we like, like older Kamelot and Yngwie, but they go overboard with the song lengths and introduce so many cooky transitions in even the most straightforward songs. I'll let ya know how that went, suggestions are welcome!
I like the Iconoclast love. It kind of gets panned as an album. And to me, as an album, I don't find myself wanting to listen to it much either. It's too "one note," and I just get bored because it is so constantly heavy, and it is the same kind of heavy, and it is long. But that said, it has a lot of really good individual songs.
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I like the Iconoclast love. It kind of gets panned as an album. And to me, as an album, I don't find myself wanting to listen to it much either. It's too "one note," and I just get bored because it is so constantly heavy, and it is the same kind of heavy, and it is long. But that said, it has a lot of really good individual songs.
Have you ever listened to the shorter version of Iconoclast? It has all the seven songs off the first CD, two off the second and it ends with When All Is Lost (that ends the first CD in the digipak version the band insisted on). All respect to the band's original vision but I prefer the shorter version because there's less of this repetition you're mentioning, and When All Is Lost is the perfect closer. I think Spotify only features the longer version so you'd have to make the playlist yourself if you don't have the CD. I personally bought the digipak at the time because I wanted to support the band more.
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I have the 2 CD version. The two different track orders really confuses me.
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I don’t really know why, but to me there’s pre and post Paradise Lost SymX. The production got ‘better’ but also more machinal. I’m a big fan of Divine Wings up and until The Odyssey. I’ll take the cheesy neoclassical vibe over their ‘metal’ side any day. That all said, Underworld I think is definitely their strongest modern album.
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Agree with everything, except with the statement that the production got better. I love the production of Divine Wings.
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The production did get more generic, imo.
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I think the old production sounds dated now, and the "new" production will sound dated in about five years if not sooner (because it's been there for a while). Having said that, I love that Jens Bogren sound and I think he mixes the best-sounding albums in metal today, and Romeo is a huge audiophile, so you can bet that the albums are coming out exactly as he envisions them while he's recording in his studio.
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I have to admit that Iconoclast sounds relatively dynamic and 'alive' within the limits of the style it goes for. Paradise Lost however is too emotionally flat.
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Maybe it is dated but it's instantly recognizable, at least for me. I haven't heard albums that are sonically too similar to V, Twilight or TDWOD. Even The Odyssey, which I think marks the beginning of the "end" as they started moving in a more generic production sound. I really didn't like how the guitars sound at first, so muddy, but eventually, it grew on me.
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Agree with everything, except with the statement that the production got better. I love the production of Divine Wings.
Yeah, that's why I said "better". I actually love the reverb-y production of V: The New Mythology Suite as well.
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I love the slim, sharp production of The Odyssey. Bass and snare drum sound beyond awesome. Guitars are not too loud and leave a lot of space for the keys.
Underworld, Iconoclast and Paradise Lost are completely overproduced, but I think it fits the music.
By the way bosk, I TOTALLY agree on your statement on Iconoclast. There are amazing songs on that record, but it's hard to listen all the way through. I personally love the title track, Reign In Madness and especially When All Is Lost.
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Been spinning The New Mythology Suite the last couple of days. What a great album. I wish they played that album completely live. Can't believe it is almost 20 years old.
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Sym X is awesome
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I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if the subject of Thomas Miller has ever come up. A few years ago I came across an interesting thread on Ultimate Metal about how Thomas Miller had a very large part in the song-writing and that's why the band changed so much after he left. It's mostly speculation but interesting none-the-less.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/threads/thomas-miller-symphony-x.695213/
Here's a demo of his Thunder Majesty project. This came out years ago. I guess they never finished it. That's a damn shame because this sounds like good stuff. I'd love to hear a full album from these guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtMB4ZXqeOA
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Yea I actually remember reading about that previously. When you look at song credits of the early albums Miller is apart of alot of songs.
Thx for posting his project, never heard it. :metal
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Yea I actually remember reading about that previously. When you look at song credits of the early albums Miller is apart of alot of songs.
Thx for posting his project, never heard it. :metal
The vocals are a little "meh". Not bad at all but not quite my thing. It's almost like a better version of the guy on the first Symphony X album. It's hard to top Russel Allen. That dude has a fucktastic voice.
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Thomas Miller is a big part of the reason i like early SX mor than the modern SX. The guy was a beast.
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Here we go again in the 5th year of waiting for another SX album. C'mon guys. Life is short. None of us are getting any younger. Let's go before we all go deaf from old age. :lol
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Here we go again in the 5th year of waiting for another SX album. C'mon guys. Life is short. None of us are getting any younger. Let's go before we all go deaf from old age. :lol
At least in the meantime, there are some great solo projects from a couple of the band members. The bass player Mike Lepond put out two great albums from his solo band "Silent Assassins" which has a classic in your face metal vibe. Michael Romeo was in on that project with a few guitar parts and production.
Michael Romeo also put out a really nice sounding solo album. :metal
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Well, yeah, they have a history of...let's say a "lack of urgency" when it comes to putting out new material. But this time around, fans shouldn't exactly be waiting around with baited breath. It's no secret that, while Russ hasn't quit the band, he has wanted to distance himself from it for awhile for a few different reasons. So we shouldn't really be expecting any particular timetable.
That said, I've been revisiting Underworld recently, and I still absolutely LOVE this album. I still easily consider it their best work ever. If/when we do get a follow-up, I hope it is in the same vein.
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That said, I've been revisiting Underworld recently, and I still absolutely LOVE this album. I still easily consider it their best work ever. If/when we do get a follow-up, I hope it is in the same vein.
Agreed! This is a fantastic album..
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There were a few interviews over this year's tour in South America and Europe where Romeo said that they will write and record relatively soon. Russ wanted some time off because of the accident. But he is now in full gear with SyX and TSO. Also, since Romeo is the main writer, I'm not sure how he is going to proceed. He said he has like 75% recorded of the 2nd part of his solo album. Would not make sense to put it in the can for a long time, work on SyX and then revisit Part 2. So we'll see. I do think they are working on SyX maybe for a late 2020, early 2021 release date though.
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It's no secret that, while Russ hasn't quit the band, he has wanted to distance himself from it for awhile for a few different reasons. So we shouldn't really be expecting any particular timetable.
I didn't know about that. Why does he want to distance himself from the band?
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"Distance" might not be the correct word. He said he wanted to take a break from SyX and other music for awhile after the accident happened, as goo-goo noted. He had also made a comment earlier that he was enjoying taking a break from SyX for a bit because he felt that the music he was doing at the time was more authentically him, whereas he felt like he was always "playing a character" when singing in SyX. But I'm not trying to imply that he ever had any problem with SyX or what they do. Just that he needed to take a bit to go in a different direction for at least a couple of different reasons.
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It's indeed likely to be a big gap between albums given the awful accident and Russell taking his time getting back into things. But Michael Romeo's release of War of the Worlds Pt. 1 at least went some way to filling the gap for Symphony X type music during this wait. The singer is no Russell Allen but a lot of the songs are similar to SX's sound and it's a solid album. As for War of the Worlds Pt. 2, I guessed Michael Romeo was sitting on it to spread out the 2 releases in the gap between Symphony X albums. But if Symphony X gets back to recording a new album quickly then maybe he will wait and return to it afterwards.
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"Distance" might not be the correct word. He said he wanted to take a break from SyX and other music for awhile after the accident happened, as goo-goo noted. He had also made a comment earlier that he was enjoying taking a break from SyX for a bit because he felt that the music he was doing at the time was more authentically him, whereas he felt like he was always "playing a character" when singing in SyX. But I'm not trying to imply that he ever had any problem with SyX or what they do. Just that he needed to take a bit to go in a different direction for at least a couple of different reasons.
I see. I didn't realize that accident was only a couple years ago and how serious it was.
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"Distance" might not be the correct word. He said he wanted to take a break from SyX and other music for awhile after the accident happened, as goo-goo noted. He had also made a comment earlier that he was enjoying taking a break from SyX for a bit because he felt that the music he was doing at the time was more authentically him, whereas he felt like he was always "playing a character" when singing in SyX. But I'm not trying to imply that he ever had any problem with SyX or what they do. Just that he needed to take a bit to go in a different direction for at least a couple of different reasons.
I see. I didn't realize that accident was only a couple years ago and how serious it was.
This is what was left of the tour bus:
(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/PH-714009994-1-960x515.jpg)
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He had also made a comment earlier that he was enjoying taking a break from SyX for a bit because he felt that the music he was doing at the time was more authentically him, whereas he felt like he was always "playing a character" when singing in SyX.
Yes, he mentioned this a couple of times and prior to the accident, it looked like he was having a blast. Even though Amob was on the cheesy end of hard rock, their last tour was very long. They were putting the hard work in getting Amob off the ground.
If anybody has heard Russell Allen's Atomic Soul (his only solo album), you can definitely hear his influences and how they are more leaning towards the hard rock sound.
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whereas he felt like he was always "playing a character" when singing in SyX.
Must've felt like a breath of fresh air in Adrenaline Mob ;D
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Personal situation of Russell aside, maybe the issue with the long pause between the albums might be a mix of other life commitments, such as work, or simply the inability to churn out on short notice quality material. Not everyone is able to lock himself in a cabin, count 1, 2, 3 go and write an album's worth of material that lives up to a band's name. Maybe they really need all that time to present a nice album full of good songs and not 3-4 great songs and a pile of meh songs written because the deadline is approaching.
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Romeo will have produced two full solo albums by the time the next one hits, so I think he has had a good productivity the last couple of years. The other band members have had their own things.
Also, holy shit I am livid that I totally missed that they toured in EU this year and that they played The Oddysey :censored :(
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The Odyssey was their last really good album. Everything after it is just OK IMO. Odyssey and Mythology held so much promise, alas unfulfilled.
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Underworld and The Odyssey are my top 2 SX albums. They take turns in those spots.
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Underworld and The Odyssey are my top 2 SX albums. They take turns in those spots.
:iagree:
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Underworld and The Odyssey are my top 2 SX albums. They take turns in those spots.
:iagree:
I'd go with The Odyssey and Divine Wings of Tragedy.
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I'm always surprised when a SX fan doesn't hold Divine Wings in high regards. I consider it their equivalent to Images and Words.
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Never liked Divine Wings. Not even a little bit.
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Never liked Divine Wings. Not even a little bit.
How dare you, Sir!
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I really like iconoclast. A great heavy album with with a epic closing track ( When All is Lost). Electric Messiah and Faceless God are great rockers. :metal
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If we're going for somewhat controversial opinions - I really like Paradise Lost and it's easily my favourite of their more recent albums, possibly even my second favourite of all their work. Also, I don't like Underworld as much as most here. It's a pretty solid, consistent album, but for some reason, I never found any of the tracks to be top tier SX songs.
TDWOT is still my number 1 anyway.
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I think Underworld is a really well balanced album with only good-great songs, but I keep returning to Iconoclast so have to mark that one as my favourite. Paradise Lost is great, but I am not very fond of the audio production there.
And Divine Wings is my favourite SX album at this point in time, Oddysee second, Iconoclast third.
If we are going controversial, personally I never cared for V - The Mythology Suite that much. Save for their debut with that other singer, I think all their other albums are significantly better than V.
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If we are going controversial, personally I never cared for V - The Mythology Suite that much. Save for their debut with that other singer, I think all their other albums are significantly better than V.
Someone like me, finally!
I won't say it's a bad album, it obviously isn't, but it never really did anything for me. I can't even remember what the big final epic sounds like. I save Evolution, Fallen, Communion and Egypt and that's it.
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If we are going controversial, personally I never cared for V - The Mythology Suite that much. Save for their debut with that other singer, I think all their other albums are significantly better than V.
Someone like me, finally!
I won't say it's a bad album, it obviously isn't, but it never really did anything for me. I can't even remember what the big final epic sounds like. I save Evolution, Fallen, Communion and Egypt and that's it.
This is me as well! People say that V was the last truly great album, I call bullshit on that, because even the albums people hate and refuse to listen to are better than V, to me. Think there's some major nostalgia going on with that album.
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Rank:
1 - TDWOT
2 - TIO
3 - V
4 - TDG
5 - Underworld
6 - Odyssey
7 - Debut
8 - Paradise Lost
9 - Iconoclast
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1. Paradise Lost
2. Underworld
3. Iconoclast
4. everything else
just imo
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:caffeine: Oh, I'll play!
1. Underworld
2. The Odyssey
3. V
4. Iconoclast
5. Paradise Lost
everything else
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Well, yeah, they have a history of...let's say a "lack of urgency" when it comes to putting out new material. But this time around, fans shouldn't exactly be waiting around with baited breath. It's no secret that, while Russ hasn't quit the band, he has wanted to distance himself from it for awhile for a few different reasons. So we shouldn't really be expecting any particular timetable.
Just ran into this post from earlier in the thread. While I don't remember any new album talk when I saw them live in May, Russ did address (in his speech before Without You) his accident, and how he was feeling for a while, and how he concluded that being a music performer and sharing music with us was what he was put on his earth to do. They all looked like they were enjoying themselves, and Russell confirmed that for us. So, if Romeo has the material, we might see something sooner rather than later. Maybe the delay in Romeo's solo album plans (he said a sequel was fully ready back when the first one came out) is because he wants to repurpose some of that for a future SyX release.
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Symphony X has put this message on their Spotify page:
(https://i.imgur.com/zRBaE8X.png)
Wonder what it could be. New album announcement maybe? :corn
(by the way, the playlist was only made half an hour ago, so it can't be referring to the recently American tour dates)
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Hopefully!
And if SX does not make another album for a while, I really want that second part of Romeo's solo effort, I actually enjoy War of the Worlds as much as a lot of SX albums and that vocalist sounded fantastic.
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Told ya we'd have new stuff soon :angel:
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I haven't been listening to Symphony X in many years. It seems like I completely forgot about them, even though I loved them ten years ago.
Then again, there might be a reason. The last album I thought was great was The Odyssey. PL and Iconoclast didn't scratch the itch for me, and it took the band forever to put together such underwhelming releases. And I remember thinking Underworld was the best one they did in a long time, and even that one didn't return to my playlist in the last four years. I want to dig down deep and rediscover the band, in order to maybe be able to appreciate the new album.
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Start with Underworld again! Just rediscovered it this year myself. It only gets better with age. In ten years we'll probably talk about it as one of the modern classics.
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A new album would be most welcome.
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I actually enjoy War of the Worlds as much as a lot of SX albums and that vocalist sounded fantastic.
I think I prefer it to Underworld (and I easily would if it had Russell singing on it), which is probably seen as blasphemy around here - everyone seems to really love Underworld but me. :lol I don't know why, but it just never clicked with me. It's a solid collection of songs, but nothing that blew me away.
It's definitely about time for a new album though, so hopefully that's what the announcement is. :tup
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Yay. Just bought my ticket.
I forgot Primal Fear is Ralf Sheepers band. I like his voice in Ayreon.
Going to be an amazing show, one I hope has a good turnout.
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I actually enjoy War of the Worlds as much as a lot of SX albums and that vocalist sounded fantastic.
I think I prefer it to Underworld (and I easily would if it had Russell singing on it), which is probably seen as blasphemy around here - everyone seems to really love Underworld but me. :lol I don't know why, but it just never clicked with me. It's a solid collection of songs, but nothing that blew me away.
I got into SX with The Odyssey. Went backward from there since that was the new album at the time. I liked V, but what came before never did much for me. It felt like everything about power metal that I never clicked with. I liked the heaviness and modernity of PL when it came out. But outside of a few songs, it kind of faded due to its sameness. It's an album I definitely like but don't love. I felt similarly with Iconoclast. But Underworld did everything I loved and did it extremely well. It is easily my favorite album from the band and, for probably the first time, made me feel like I would truly consider myself a fan of the band. That said, I consider Underworld to be an incredibly strong collection of 8 songs that peters out for the final three.
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A new album would be most welcome.
:metal
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Gonna give Underworld a spin to break in my new earphones.
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Underworld is not only SX’s best album it’s one of the best metal albums of the past ten years.
I will never forgive myself for missing that tour, especially since they RARELY come touring in my neck of the woods.
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Underworld is not only SX’s best album it’s one of the best metal albums of the past ten years.
I will never forgive myself for missing that tour, especially since they RARELY come touring in my neck of the woods.
I saw them on this tour with Overkill. Overkill opened and the place was packed. But when Symphony X came on the place emptied out; I’m guessing maybe 50-75 people remained
But Symphony X still put on a great show :metal
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Underworld is not only SX’s best album it’s one of the best metal albums of the past ten years.
I will never forgive myself for missing that tour, especially since they RARELY come touring in my neck of the woods.
I saw them on this tour with Overkill. Overkill opened and the place was packed. But when Symphony X came on the place emptied out; I’m guessing maybe 50-75 people remained
But Symphony X still put on a great show :metal
Wowsers!!
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Hopefully!
And if SX does not make another album for a while, I really want that second part of Romeo's solo effort, I actually enjoy War of the Worlds as much as a lot of SX albums and that vocalist sounded fantastic.
Agreed, that is a really cool album and the singer is top notch! :tup
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Underworld is not only SX’s best album it’s one of the best metal albums of the past ten years.
I will never forgive myself for missing that tour, especially since they RARELY come touring in my neck of the woods.
I saw them on this tour with Overkill. Overkill opened and the place was packed. But when Symphony X came on the place emptied out; I’m guessing maybe 50-75 people remained
But Symphony X still put on a great show :metal
I saw that tour as well. S-X was the opener, and the place was about 1/2 full. For Overkill (which I had no interest in), it was packed, and I bailed after about 1.5 songs. Worked out just fine for me, as it was at a venue about 90 minutes from home, and on a Sunday night. I was home before 11. :D
Just bought my ticket. There's some assigned seating at this venue, and that's sold out already. Figured I should play it safe and get my tic.
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Underworld is not only SX’s best album it’s one of the best metal albums of the past ten years.
I will never forgive myself for missing that tour, especially since they RARELY come touring in my neck of the woods.
I saw them on this tour with Overkill. Overkill opened and the place was packed. But when Symphony X came on the place emptied out; I’m guessing maybe 50-75 people remained
But Symphony X still put on a great show :metal
I saw that tour as well. S-X was the opener, and the place was about 1/2 full. For Overkill (which I had no interest in), it was packed, and I bailed after about 1.5 songs. Worked out just fine for me, as it was at a venue about 90 minutes from home, and on a Sunday night. I was home before 11. :D
Just bought my ticket. There's some assigned seating at this venue, and that's sold out already. Figured I should play it safe and get my tic.
That's interesting. Where did you two see this tour? Overkill and Symphony X is an odd mix. I wonder how it was determined that Overkill should open. They seem like the more popular band. They've been around longer than Symphony X, have more albums, and tour a lot more.
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So, it's been 2 days & no "big news" has been announced on any of their socials. It must have just been some sort of error. Sorry y'all. :emo:
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my guess is a timing issue between the spotify update and the tour announcement. You said it was just created, I wonder if there are some extra hoops a band has to jump through to get a verified account and it just didn't happen in time.
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Underworld is not only SX’s best album it’s one of the best metal albums of the past ten years.
I will never forgive myself for missing that tour, especially since they RARELY come touring in my neck of the woods.
I saw them on this tour with Overkill. Overkill opened and the place was packed. But when Symphony X came on the place emptied out; I’m guessing maybe 50-75 people remained
But Symphony X still put on a great show :metal
I saw that tour as well. S-X was the opener, and the place was about 1/2 full. For Overkill (which I had no interest in), it was packed, and I bailed after about 1.5 songs. Worked out just fine for me, as it was at a venue about 90 minutes from home, and on a Sunday night. I was home before 11. :D
Just bought my ticket. There's some assigned seating at this venue, and that's sold out already. Figured I should play it safe and get my tic.
That's interesting. Where did you two see this tour? Overkill and Symphony X is an odd mix. I wonder how it was determined that Overkill should open. They seem like the more popular band. They've been around longer than Symphony X, have more albums, and tour a lot more.
This was a Canadian tour in the fall of 2015. Each night Overkill and Symphony X would switch who would headline. I guess the Chadster saw SX open the concert he saw and left when Overkill headlined. I saw the opposite. I wasn’t overly familiar with Overkill and went solely to see SX. Overkill opened the show that I was at and the place was packed to the rafters. But once Overkill finished, the place emptied big time and I basically had all the room on the floor to move around. Even though the place was basically empty, Symphony X played like they were playing in front of a stadium. Awesome live band and if you are even a remote fan, you need to check them out.
And at this point I’m content with any Symphony X update, whether it’s a new tour, new live album or new album. The band is a bit of a procrastinator, so I’ll take what ever they do at this point :metal :metal
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Rank:
1 - TDWOT
2 - TIO
3 - V
And it ends there for me. These three were game changers, at a Dream Theater level.
I like 1/2 to 2/3 of the other CDs but I can live without all of the rest of them.
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Rank:
1 - TDWOT
2 - TIO
3 - V
And it ends there for me. These three were game changers, at a Dream Theater level.
I like 1/2 to 2/3 of the other CDs but I can live without all of the rest of them.
I really liked the above releases and would include The Odyssey (especially the title track) and Paradise Lost. After that, they seemed to move to a different form of metal (to me at least) and Russell Allen was overly focused on a more heavy vocal style vs. his cleaner more melodic voice. If I had to pick only one of their releases it would be V. I somewhat agree with you that they were a band that rivaled DT in power and composition on some of their songs but not quite as good (IMHO). Russell Allen is one of the very best singers in all of prog metal. What I never have understood is why they haven't ever done a concert blu ray. I've seen them live twice and their show is excellent.
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What I never have understood is why they haven't ever done a concert blu ray. I've seen them live twice and their show is excellent.
Whenever they were asked, they were always talking about how they wouldn't wanna just film a normal gig and sell it, they would wanna do something special, perhaps something with a real orchestra. Seeing how orchestral DVDs seem easier to film nowadays (apparently bands have discovered that symphonic orchestras exist outside of the US and the UK and fans exist outside of these countries too :P ::)), it's now or never.
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time for your top 5 symphony x songs!
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Russell Allen is one of the very best singers in all of prog metal.
I suppose that could be true. But I really only rate him for the stuff he did in Symphony X rather than the prog metal side projects, so it's hard to say. The sample size of him doing prog metal is pretty small in comparison.
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time for your top 5 symphony x songs!
Not a definitive order:
The Odyssey
The Communion and the Oracle
Underworld
The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Through the Looking Glass
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1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
2. The Odyssey
3. When All is Lost
4. Set the World on Fire (The Lie of Lies)
5. Sea of Lies
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1. The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
2. When All Is Lost
3. The Accolade
4. The Sacrifice
5. Egypt
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1. The Divine Wings of Tragedy
2. The Edge of Forever
3. The Accolade
4. Church of the Machine
5. Of Sins and Shadows
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That's hard but something like this:
1. TDWOT
2. The Accolade
3. Communion and the Oracle
4. Egypt
5. Awakenings
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Fuck yeah, Awakenings!
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Fuck yeah - Church of the Machine ;D
I haven't thought much about it but most of my faves would be off TDWOT (probably The Accolade being 1st) , Twilight and Underworld.
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New interview I did with Mike Lepond: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-lepond-mike/?fbclid=IwAR1wZpDg6kjHnf0Kne_pfwUVtHsMxfpRopk8CPppj7WLnTFzmt29onIosXU
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I received an email from Enter the Vault refunding my ticket to the Joliet, IL show at the end of May. Not sure if just that show is cancelled or if the whole tour has been cancelled...havent seen anything online at all.
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I received an email from Enter the Vault refunding my ticket to the Joliet, IL show at the end of May. Not sure if just that show is cancelled or if the whole tour has been cancelled...havent seen anything online at all.
Symphony X, both artist and show listings at the Enter The Vault website are gone. I guess the toured is going to be cancelled. Fuck. Bummer.
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Not surprising. Was totally expecting it. Nothing regarding the Toronto show.
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I sure hope they reschedule it and at our city too. We got shafted for Dance Gavin Dance.
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I received an email from Enter the Vault refunding my ticket to the Joliet, IL show at the end of May. Not sure if just that show is cancelled or if the whole tour has been cancelled...havent seen anything online at all.
I received a change of venue notification for our show that is about a week or so later (the venue they were going to play at had to close, and they just decided to close permanently. Waiting to see if it'll be canceled now...
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Either way, I haven't got an email yet from my local venue. They'll probably wait for an official announcement.
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Promoter in Austin is still selling tix but using Eventbrite instead of Enter the Vault. But there's also the listing for Caligula's Horse in Austin but they nixed their NA run.
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I'm not sure why Enter the Vault would refund my ticket if Symphony X pulled their contract with them. It was a valid sale. I emailed ETV and asked them about the refund, since my credit card had since been compromised and wanted to know if they needed the updated number to process the refund on their end. I also asked if they could confirm if the show or tour was cancelled.
They ignored my question about confirming that. So maybe it's a personal or contractual issue between the band and ETV. I know I've read a lot of stuff on the ProgPower unofficial group regarding the behavior of the promoter (Enter the Vault)....if the tour isn't cancelled, I wonder if Symphony X decided not to work with them anymore?
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I'm not sure why Enter the Vault would refund my ticket if Symphony X pulled their contract with them. It was a valid sale. I emailed ETV and asked them about the refund, since my credit card had since been compromised and wanted to know if they needed the updated number to process the refund on their end. I also asked if they could confirm if the show or tour was cancelled.
They ignored my question about confirming that. So maybe it's a personal or contractual issue between the band and ETV. I know I've read a lot of stuff on the ProgPower unofficial group regarding the behavior of the promoter (Enter the Vault)....if the tour isn't cancelled, I wonder if Symphony X decided not to work with them anymore?
What is the Progpower unofficial group saying about Enter the Vault?
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I'm not sure why Enter the Vault would refund my ticket if Symphony X pulled their contract with them. It was a valid sale. I emailed ETV and asked them about the refund, since my credit card had since been compromised and wanted to know if they needed the updated number to process the refund on their end. I also asked if they could confirm if the show or tour was cancelled.
They ignored my question about confirming that. So maybe it's a personal or contractual issue between the band and ETV. I know I've read a lot of stuff on the ProgPower unofficial group regarding the behavior of the promoter (Enter the Vault)....if the tour isn't cancelled, I wonder if Symphony X decided not to work with them anymore?
What is the Progpower unofficial group saying about Enter the Vault?
Just that his behavior towards others in the industry and music scene has been inappropriate and abusive - it's not my place to repeat anything specific. But I do know that some users are trying to bring awareness of these allegations to the bands that he books and have them book shows with someone else.
I'm suspecting it's all COVID-19 related, but anything is possible I guess. I just found it odd that my ticket was refunded by the promoter with zero communication from the band or venue first.
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From S-X's FB feed:
ATTENTION: We have been alerted by Venues and Promoters in several cities in the US as well as in Canada that due to the current situation we will have to move our May / June tour into 2021. We will advise and let everyone know when new dates are announced. Until then, stay well!
And found in my inbox from Eventbrite:
Getting a refund:
please retain your ticket for the future date, and when the new date is announced, if it is not compatible for your plans, reach out for a refund.
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I figured that would be coming. That sucks - hopefully Primal Fear and Firewind stay on the tour! I was so pumped to see Primal Fear.
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I figured that would be coming. That sucks - hopefully Primal Fear and Firewind stay on the tour! I was so pumped to see Primal Fear.
Me too.
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I figured that would be coming. That sucks - hopefully Primal Fear and Firewind stay on the tour! I was so pumped to see Primal Fear.
Me too.
Thirded. And keen on Firewind too!
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Writing of new album is about to start
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-x-is-ready-to-start-writing-a-new-album/
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The band began writing Underworld on September 8, 2014 (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-x-to-begin-recording-new-album-this-week/#uyW8cyfFMm1f5szq.99), & the album was released on July 24, 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_(Symphony_X_album)). That's 319 days. If writing begins in a month from now, that's 350 days, so we should expect the album on April 24, 2021.
Better late than never, I suppose. :lol
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The band began writing Underworld on September 8, 2014 (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-x-to-begin-recording-new-album-this-week/#uyW8cyfFMm1f5szq.99), & the album was released on July 24, 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_(Symphony_X_album)). That's 319 days. If writing begins in a month from now, that's 350 days, so we should expect the album on April 24, 2021.
Better late than never, I suppose. :lol
We are going to hold you to this you know.
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It's just an estimation, but I'd be very surprised if it doesn't come out in the (northern hemisphere) Spring or Summer 2021. :lol
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It's just an estimation, but I'd be very surprised if it doesn't come out in the (northern hemisphere) Spring or Summer 2021. :lol
I was only joking lol. Sooner the better.
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https://www.jsrdirect.com/bands/symphonyx/logo-face-mask
Sym X facecover is now a thing. :lol
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*Sry no news!*
Blasted some Iconoclast today. :metal
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
nice! really enjoyed the first one.
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
More excited for this than new Symph X. Woo!
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Was actually listening to the first one today, something I still do regularly. Excellent album. Looking forward to part 2.
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
Didn't he say Pt. 2 was in the "final stages of production" when the first one came out? :lol
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
No, he said "80% of it is already written". I know for a fact that the drums were recorded in Italy in March - that's where John Macaluso lives - and that the mixing is almost finished.
Didn't he say Pt. 2 was in the "final stages of production" when the first one came out? :lol
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uhh... (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-x-guitarist-michael-romeo-to-release-war-of-the-worlds-pt-1-solo-album-in-july/)
(https://i.imgur.com/pbQHQHc.png)
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that statement can mean a lot of different things. writing, recording, post-production, etc
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So what's your favourite Russell SX song?
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“Fallen” has always been my favourite SX song
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So what's your favourite Russell SX song?
Isn't this a redundant question? Would anyone's fave S-X song be from the debut?
The Odyssey is my fave. As for a sub 10-minute song, I'll go with Without You
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So what's your favourite Russell SX song?
I don't know.
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“Fallen” has always been my favourite SX song
Good one. :tup
So what's your favourite Russell SX song?
Isn't this a redundant question? Would anyone's fave S-X song be from the debut?
The Odyssey is my fave. As for a sub 10-minute song, I'll go with Without You
Well I didn't think that deep about the question. :lol He's great on The Odessey, I kind of hate the drum production but that's another topic.
So what's your favourite Russell SX song?
I don't know.
I'm not sure either.
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
More excited for this than new Symph X. Woo!
Same. I really enjoy everything Symphony X did up to and including The Oddysey but they kind of lost me after that. Especially Russell Allen who doesn't really sing anymore, he just kind of screams everything. Such a waste of a good voice. I kind of think he's a dick after what he did to Arjen too.
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I think he lost the plot with Paradise Lost and Iconoclast (some good/great tunes; mostly mediocre though). Underworld brought them/him back for me.
And yeah... wasn’t too pleased about bailing on Ayreon Universe. Especially because adter the accident he wouldn’t have been there anyway. But on behaviour and principle, it was a douche move.
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You make a commitment like that you stick to it, otherwise in my mind you're just an asshole.
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What happened between Russ and Arjen?
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What happened between Russ and Arjen?
Russel was scheduled to play at one of Ayreon's shows, having commited to it.
He bailed out to go on tour with Adrenaline Mob.
Arjen was obviously pissed off about it and stated that he will work with other singers in the future so don't expect Russel on any Ayreon album anytime soon.
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What happened between Russ and Arjen?
Russel was scheduled to play at one of Ayreon's shows, having commited to it.
He bailed out to go on tour with Adrenaline Mob.
Arjen was obviously pissed off about it and stated that he will work with other singers in the future so don't expect Russel on any Ayreon album anytime soon.
I understand why he did it, but it definitely wasn't right if he had already committed to do those shows. The worst part is that he chose AMOB instead (and we all know how that turned out).
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Jason Rullo - Symphony X Drummer - Food Trucker With Heart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFeaMaF2u4&ab_channel=NewMexicast)
How about that, had no idea. :tup
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Jason Rullo - Symphony X Drummer - Food Trucker With Heart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFeaMaF2u4&ab_channel=NewMexicast)
How about that, had no idea. :tup
:omg: :omg:
What?!! THIS WHOLE TIME I COULD'VE BEEN EATING HIS AMAZING FOOD.
I wonder if he's still here.
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He seems like a very likeable guy :tup
I'd love to hear a new Symphony X album, I'm not so excited to hear that the new Romeo album will be coming out before that. Underworld is a great album and it felt like the band has finally found their style. Those straight, yet complex songs a la Threshold (with crazier guitar parts) suit the band very well in my opinion.
And I don't agree about Russell. He does NOT only shout on the last few albums. His stylistic range is insane, not only on albums like Divine Wings or V.
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I have news. Romeo's sequel to War of the Worlds is in advanced stages of production.
More excited for this than new Symph X. Woo!
Especially Russell Allen who doesn't really sing anymore, he just kind of screams everything. Such a waste of a good voice. I kind of think he's a dick after what he did to Arjen too.
I agree that his voice in SX has gotten more raspy and powerful over the years but I wouldn't call it screamin'. I love his more clean singing though.
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I'd say he simply followed the music style. The music had become heavier and less varied, and so his singing follows suit and becomes more aggressive and less melodic. With more variety on the older albums, he had more chances to showcase his immense talent. Not so much on an album like Iconoclast which is balls to walls chugga chugga riffy riffy growl grunt kill death blood fire metal, with just the mandatory ballad at the end.
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Yea that's probably it.
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I'd say he simply followed the music style. The music had become heavier and less varied, and so his singing follows suit and becomes more aggressive and less melodic. With more variety on the older albums, he had more chances to showcase his immense talent. Not so much on an album like Iconoclast which is balls to walls chugga chugga riffy riffy growl grunt kill death blood fire metal, with just the mandatory ballad at the end.
Yeah, but I have to admit that that "mandatory ballad" is one the band's best songs, as well as one of Russel's best performances. ;)
Aside from that, Paradise Lost, Eve Of Seduction, The Sacrifice, Without You, In My Darkest Hour, & Legend are other great examples of Russel not having to do the whole gravelly toughguy screams to show what he can do. I agree that he's done it far more in the last few albums (especially Iconoclast) but it's far from being the only thing he does. That said, even when he does do it, it's not a moodkiller for me or anything.
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I'd say he simply followed the music style. The music had become heavier and less varied, and so his singing follows suit and becomes more aggressive and less melodic. With more variety on the older albums, he had more chances to showcase his immense talent. Not so much on an album like Iconoclast which is balls to walls chugga chugga riffy riffy growl grunt kill death blood fire metal, with just the mandatory ballad at the end.
I don't agree with this 100%, but I had to laugh so much at it :lol
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Nice to know :biggrin:
I'd say he simply followed the music style. The music had become heavier and less varied, and so his singing follows suit and becomes more aggressive and less melodic. With more variety on the older albums, he had more chances to showcase his immense talent. Not so much on an album like Iconoclast which is balls to walls chugga chugga riffy riffy growl grunt kill death blood fire metal, with just the mandatory ballad at the end.
Yeah, but I have to admit that that "mandatory ballad" is one the band's best songs, as well as one of Russel's best performances. ;)
Oh yeah, I meant mandatory as in "hey guys, I guess we have to put at least a ballad on this album", not that the outcome is bad. I actually like the song.
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I actually think Iconoclast has absolutely no ballads. When All Is Lost seems more like an "epic" than a "ballad" to me despite some quieter moments, and the song "at the end" you guys are talking about is Reign In Madness, which is fuckin brutal at times :lol
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I've always maintained an interest in Symphony X, but they were pretty much untouchable in my book when I got into them around the time of V: The New Mythology Suite. I'm a huge fan of the more honest sounding productions of Divine Wings through The Odyssey.
From Paradise Lost onwards they got more metal, less prog and the production became a bit.. generic for my tastes. That said, 'When All is Lost' is absolutely great and Underworld was a step in the right direction for me. I actually reviewed the album when it came out in 2015. It's at the bottom of this page: https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070 (https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070)
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I fell off the Symphony X bandwagon with Paradise Lost, they seemed to lose something with that album and I wasn't big on Iconoclast aside from the first song. Not that I thought any of it was bad, but I came to listen to Symphony X because they had that prog metal style mixed with a sort of Dio sound, and a big symphonic landscape. If I want to listen to the type of music found on most of PL and IC, there are plenty of other bands I can listen to. I thought the last album Underworld was better, need to give that one a re-listen one of these days. A lack of new releases and a sporadic release schedule since 2002, which is almost 20 years ago now, and not being pleased with most of their material since, hasn't helped in making me more than a semi-casual fan.
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New Jason Rullo project: https://youtu.be/STFtuBEgjIs
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I bought it on iTunes and had a very good first impression. There’s excellent playing by everyone, but also very good songs!
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I bought it on iTunes and had a very good first impression. There’s excellent playing by everyone, but also very good songs!
What did you buy?
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I bought it on iTunes and had a very good first impression. There’s excellent playing by everyone, but also very good songs!
What did you buy?
New Jason Rullo project: https://youtu.be/STFtuBEgjIs
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3 Rules - The Rule of 3, from the Jason Rullo's band.
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My interview with Jason Rullo about his new band 3 Rules, with lots of Symphony X info, was published today: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-jason-rullo/
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Thanks for posting that interview. I shall definitely check it out.
Over the past week, I listened to every album from The Divine Wings of Tragedy up to Underworld...and yeah, Underworld is so much better (for Herrick) than Iconoclast. Iconoclast isn't bad at all but it's just very bland and samey-sounding. I'm going to go back and listen to The Damnation Game. I'm not very familiar with that one. I've only listened to it a few times.
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I've always maintained an interest in Symphony X, but they were pretty much untouchable in my book when I got into them around the time of V: The New Mythology Suite. I'm a huge fan of the more honest sounding productions of Divine Wings through The Odyssey.
From Paradise Lost onwards they got more metal, less prog and the production became a bit.. generic for my tastes. That said, 'When All is Lost' is absolutely great and Underworld was a step in the right direction for me. I actually reviewed the album when it came out in 2015. It's at the bottom of this page: https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070 (https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070)
Paradise Lost was where Russell Allen started being much less melodic in his vocal delivery too and I think that really kind of ruined what made them special for me. The last album of theirs that I thought was great was The Oddysey and even on that one they started showing a much more straight metal side that I think just makes them sound kind of generic. It was the progressive elements that originally drew me in.
These guys used to be an automatic instant pre-order whenever they had a new release but to be honest I haven't really paid much attention to them since Paradise Lost which was the beginning of their decline as far as I'm concerned.
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New Jason Rullo project: https://youtu.be/STFtuBEgjIs (https://youtu.be/STFtuBEgjIs)
I appreciate the talent these three musicians clearly have, but I listened to about 30 seconds of that I don't need to ever hear it again. Very, very few instrumental artists interest me. The only one I think think of right now is LTE.
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I've always maintained an interest in Symphony X, but they were pretty much untouchable in my book when I got into them around the time of V: The New Mythology Suite. I'm a huge fan of the more honest sounding productions of Divine Wings through The Odyssey.
From Paradise Lost onwards they got more metal, less prog and the production became a bit.. generic for my tastes. That said, 'When All is Lost' is absolutely great and Underworld was a step in the right direction for me. I actually reviewed the album when it came out in 2015. It's at the bottom of this page: https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070 (https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070)
Paradise Lost was where Russell Allen started being much less melodic in his vocal delivery too and I think that really kind of ruined what made them special for me. The last album of theirs that I thought was great was The Oddysey and even on that one they started showing a much more straight metal side that I think just makes them sound kind of generic. It was the progressive elements that originally drew me in.
These guys used to be an automatic instant pre-order whenever they had a new release but to be honest I haven't really paid much attention to them since Paradise Lost which was the beginning of their decline as far as I'm concerned.
I buy into the theory that the song writing changed when Thomas Miller left the band.
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I've always maintained an interest in Symphony X, but they were pretty much untouchable in my book when I got into them around the time of V: The New Mythology Suite. I'm a huge fan of the more honest sounding productions of Divine Wings through The Odyssey.
From Paradise Lost onwards they got more metal, less prog and the production became a bit.. generic for my tastes. That said, 'When All is Lost' is absolutely great and Underworld was a step in the right direction for me. I actually reviewed the album when it came out in 2015. It's at the bottom of this page: https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070 (https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070)
Paradise Lost was where Russell Allen started being much less melodic in his vocal delivery too and I think that really kind of ruined what made them special for me. The last album of theirs that I thought was great was The Oddysey and even on that one they started showing a much more straight metal side that I think just makes them sound kind of generic. It was the progressive elements that originally drew me in.
These guys used to be an automatic instant pre-order whenever they had a new release but to be honest I haven't really paid much attention to them since Paradise Lost which was the beginning of their decline as far as I'm concerned.
I buy into the theory that the song writing changed when Thomas Miller left the band.
The other thing of note is that the keyboardist, Michael Pinnella, used to be all over the songwriting credits on the earlier albums. For instance, he's listed on all 9 songs on Divine Wings of Tragedy, whereas if you look at the more recent output like Iconoclast, practically all the songs are listed as: Music by Romeo / Lyrics by Allen. For whatever reason, it seems that Pinnella no longer contributes in the songwriting department.
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That would definitely explain the more guitar-oriented sound of the last few albums. I've really never paid much attention to the members of this band other than Russell Allen who I used to worship but now not so much.
I will say that I am very much looking forward to the follow up to Romeo's "War of the Worlds Part 1" album which was pretty great.
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I've always maintained an interest in Symphony X, but they were pretty much untouchable in my book when I got into them around the time of V: The New Mythology Suite. I'm a huge fan of the more honest sounding productions of Divine Wings through The Odyssey.
From Paradise Lost onwards they got more metal, less prog and the production became a bit.. generic for my tastes. That said, 'When All is Lost' is absolutely great and Underworld was a step in the right direction for me. I actually reviewed the album when it came out in 2015. It's at the bottom of this page: https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070 (https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070)
Paradise Lost was where Russell Allen started being much less melodic in his vocal delivery too and I think that really kind of ruined what made them special for me. The last album of theirs that I thought was great was The Oddysey and even on that one they started showing a much more straight metal side that I think just makes them sound kind of generic. It was the progressive elements that originally drew me in.
These guys used to be an automatic instant pre-order whenever they had a new release but to be honest I haven't really paid much attention to them since Paradise Lost which was the beginning of their decline as far as I'm concerned.
I buy into the theory that the song writing changed when Thomas Miller left the band.
The other thing of note is that the keyboardist, Michael Pinnella, used to be all over the songwriting credits on the earlier albums. For instance, he's listed on all 9 songs on Divine Wings of Tragedy, whereas if you look at the more recent output like Iconoclast, practically all the songs are listed as: Music by Romeo / Lyrics by Allen. For whatever reason, it seems that Pinnella no longer contributes in the songwriting department.
Right. Miller had a lot of songwriting credits as well. I'd like to hear why Pinnella does not write anymore.
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That would definitely explain the more guitar-oriented sound of the last few albums. I've really never paid much attention to the members of this band other than Russell Allen who I used to worship but now not so much.
Mike Lepond is one of the best bass players out there as far as I'm concerned. Right up there with Lee, Myung, Squire, Harris etc.
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That would definitely explain the more guitar-oriented sound of the last few albums. I've really never paid much attention to the members of this band other than Russell Allen who I used to worship but now not so much.
Mike Lepond is one of the best bass players out there as far as I'm concerned. Right up there with Lee, Myung, Squire, Harris etc.
He's also more metal oriented, as opposed to prog/neoclassical. He loves Manowar, Priest, Maiden etc. His Silent Assassins project is pure metal, and really cool. But I think all of them agree that they went as far as they could with that neoclassical style, and Odyssey is the direction all of them want to go for now.
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I love his Silent Assassins albums!
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I've always maintained an interest in Symphony X, but they were pretty much untouchable in my book when I got into them around the time of V: The New Mythology Suite. I'm a huge fan of the more honest sounding productions of Divine Wings through The Odyssey.
From Paradise Lost onwards they got more metal, less prog and the production became a bit.. generic for my tastes. That said, 'When All is Lost' is absolutely great and Underworld was a step in the right direction for me. I actually reviewed the album when it came out in 2015. It's at the bottom of this page: https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070 (https://www.dprp.net/reviews/2015-070)
Paradise Lost was where Russell Allen started being much less melodic in his vocal delivery too and I think that really kind of ruined what made them special for me. The last album of theirs that I thought was great was The Oddysey and even on that one they started showing a much more straight metal side that I think just makes them sound kind of generic. It was the progressive elements that originally drew me in.
These guys used to be an automatic instant pre-order whenever they had a new release but to be honest I haven't really paid much attention to them since Paradise Lost which was the beginning of their decline as far as I'm concerned.
I tend to agree,,,,,,Ive seen them many times from the start and they are mind numbing good as we know , but I agree with your view on Russ's change vocally and I agree, I like the softer more melodic side , Hes at times now too upfront and dominating, he continued that into Ad Mob... Romeo is a total beast and I love his playing
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What did Jason say about Symphony X? Are they writing/recording?
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That would definitely explain the more guitar-oriented sound of the last few albums. I've really never paid much attention to the members of this band other than Russell Allen who I used to worship but now not so much.
Totally. It cannot be overstated how much a band's sound can change when the writing team changes like that. I mean, you have the obvious factor of just having another personality coming into the writing. But even if Romeo consciously tries to write things that he thinks will sound like they have Pinella's influence, the instrument itself can be a big factor. I remember in the early 2000s when Dave Meniketti (Y&T) took a break from the guitar-oriented '80s hard rock sound of Y&T and wrote a couple of solo albums, and he talked about how the writing was so much different. One of the key factors was incorporating more keyboard, and him writing a lot of that from sitting at a piano, which he hadn't done on any of the Y&T albums. It was still very much guitar-oriented rock. But it sounded different. And when he was talking about it, he pointed out that a lot of that came from him messing around on the piano, and how he would stumble upon things that sounded really good that he never in a million years would have come up with from just messing around on a guitar, just because the mechanics of playing keys is so different, so he would stumble upon note and chord combinations that he wouldn't have thought of with a guitar in hand. I think that's actually a pretty natural phenomenon. Even for a composer who might write a lot of music in his/her head, and then transcribe it to an instrument, when you are coming at music from the perspective of "guitarist," you will not necessarily come up with the same thing as you would if you were coming at the music from the perspective of "keyboardist," and vice versa. Even for a multiinstrumentalist, I think there is a natural tendency to subconsciously come to music that physically makes sense within the context of the instrument you are consciously thinking of composing for, and it is harder to think outside the box of what makes sense for that composer's playing style on that particular instrument.
I feel like I'm starting to ramble, but hopefully that makes as much sense typed out as it did in my head.
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That would definitely explain the more guitar-oriented sound of the last few albums. I've really never paid much attention to the members of this band other than Russell Allen who I used to worship but now not so much.
Totally. It cannot be overstated how much a band's sound can change when the writing team changes like that. I mean, you have the obvious factor of just having another personality coming into the writing. But even if Romeo consciously tries to write things that he thinks will sound like they have Pinella's influence, the instrument itself can be a big factor. I remember in the early 2000s when Dave Meniketti (Y&T) took a break from the guitar-oriented '80s hard rock sound of Y&T and wrote a couple of solo albums, and he talked about how the writing was so much different. One of the key factors was incorporating more keyboard, and him writing a lot of that from sitting at a piano, which he hadn't done on any of the Y&T albums. It was still very much guitar-oriented rock. But it sounded different. And when he was talking about it, he pointed out that a lot of that came from him messing around on the piano, and how he would stumble upon things that sounded really good that he never in a million years would have come up with from just messing around on a guitar, just because the mechanics of playing keys is so different, so he would stumble upon note and chord combinations that he wouldn't have thought of with a guitar in hand. I think that's actually a pretty natural phenomenon. Even for a composer who might write a lot of music in his/her head, and then transcribe it to an instrument, when you are coming at music from the perspective of "guitarist," you will not necessarily come up with the same thing as you would if you were coming at the music from the perspective of "keyboardist," and vice versa. Even for a multiinstrumentalist, I think there is a natural tendency to subconsciously come to music that physically makes sense within the context of the instrument you are consciously thinking of composing for, and it is harder to think outside the box of what makes sense for that composer's playing style on that particular instrument.
I feel like I'm starting to ramble, but hopefully that makes as much sense typed out as it did in my head.
Yup, being me with my stuff I end up making on Guitar Pro. I have an idea, and then try and put what I hear, onto it. It's a bit hard without music theory knowledge, but I do know enough to get me through it. It's also why I got a Keyboard, because composing on bass is kind of difficult :biggrin:. That alone changed how I compose music now, and It's opened up a lot with how write. And when I write guitar parts on Gpro, and when I play them, I do other things I wouldn't have done or thought of. Then I try and write that down on Gpro.
It's also how I understood the point of demos, and how much a song can change when one musician shares his demo with the band, and the band incorporates their ways of playing that idea to make it the bands song. I think that is one reason why I see both Geoff Tate and Queensryche or more Great White and Jack Russels Great White (whom I still have yet to see), because I want to hear the actual musicians (or the majority) of the musicians whom recorded the on the album, live. But it also, helped me understand the difference a new member can have in the band, and his interpretations of the new demos the same musician brings in. And their interpretations of the compostitions of the musician they're replacing. Which is why I like Mangini and really enjoy him in DT.
In this case of Symphony X, I really enjoy Pinellas compositions. And that could be why I enjoy Underworld too, as he has more of them on here.
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To me it didn’t make a lot of sense for Russell to change his style. It’s not like they were ever going to be popular anyway. So why go generic and tarnish the legacy? :sadpanda:
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To me it didn’t make a lot of sense for Russell to change his style. It’s not like they were ever going to be popular anyway. So why go generic and tarnish the legacy? :sadpanda:
Have you listened to Underworld? His legacy is far from tarnished.
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To me it didn’t make a lot of sense for Russell to change his style. It’s not like they were ever going to be popular anyway. So why go generic and tarnish the legacy? :sadpanda:
Have you listened to Underworld? His legacy is far from tarnished.
Exactly. I put Underworld in he top 3, maybe even ahead of Divine Wings.
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I guess I wouldn't say it's tarnished in the industry or anything like that. But, it's kinda tarnished for me. There is certainly some great singing on both PL and Iconoclast. Even more on Underworld. But when someone mentions Russell Allen, my first thought isn't positive. Maybe it's a combination of his more aggressive singing with SX irritating me, plus how horrid (imo of course) Adrenaline Mob was, plus the last time I saw him with SX (on the Underworld tour) where he was pretty cringy on stage. Whenever someone mentions that Sons of Apollo would be better with Russell vs JSS, I think "no it wouldn't." This is probably a me problem and I know he's capable of great singing and Underworld was a really good album and I liked the majority of the tracks. But I still find my first reaction to a new SX album to be "we'll see" and to Russell as a little negative.
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I think his singing is just fine on Adrenaline Mob, plus the songs are quite good imo. I'm glad I don't go by other people's opinions, as I would have missed out on a lot of great music.
He is superb on Underworld! :tup
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Amazing. I find his vocals on Underworld pretty much ruined that album
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I do have a soft spot for Paradise Lost. Not their best, but it was damn epic, an absolute riff factory, and had some really great tunes on it. I didn't mind the heavier, crunchier, narrower style and thought they did it well, and at the time it was a bit different for them. Iconoclast felt like more of the same, but really bloated (the full version of the album anyway) and with not as many strong hooks - the combination of those factors made it much less interesting to me from what I remember.
To be honest I don't really remember much about Underworld. I don't remember loving it but I was probably not in much of a SX mood at the time, so I should give it another go sometime.
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I really like Paradise Lost as well, despite preferring the vocal style on earlier albums. It was my first new album since becoming a fan of the band, so maybe that has a bit of an influence, but I love a lot of the tracks and it's probably second only to TDWOT for me.
I found Underworld pretty consistent, but I feel like it lacked the highs of previous albums - even Iconoclast had its title track, The End of Innocence and When All is Lost. Nothing from Underworld would be among my favourite SX songs. Been a while since I listened to it as well though, need to check it out again soon.
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I really like Paradise Lost as well, despite preferring the vocal style on earlier albums. It was my first new album since becoming a fan of the band, so maybe that has a bit of an influence, but I love a lot of the tracks and it's probably second only to TDWOT for me.
I found Underworld pretty consistent, but I feel like it lacked the highs of previous albums - even Iconoclast had its title track, The End of Innocence and When All is Lost. Nothing from Underworld would be among my favourite SX songs. Been a while since I listened to it as well though, need to check it out again soon.
Swansong tho
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They should have corny production like on Divine Wings and make epic castle prog again. But that's just me I guess. Still like their mechanical sounding tough guy metal stuff as well though.
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They should have corny production like on Divine Wings and make epic castle prog again. But that's just me I guess. Still like their mechanical sounding tough guy metal stuff as well though.
But they won't. Asking that of them is the equivalent of wishing MP comes back to DT.
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eh, never say never. Is it likely? Probably not. But you never know. Michael Romeo is getting his aggressive / riff-oriented stuff out on his solo albums now so perhaps he'll take Symphony X back in a more melodic/symphonic direction if they ever get around to doing another album. I'm not holding out hope though. To me this band peaked with The Odyssey
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eh, never say never. Is it likely? Probably not. But you never know. Michael Romeo is getting his aggressive / riff-oriented stuff out on his solo albums now so perhaps he'll take Symphony X back in a more melodic/symphonic direction if they ever get around to doing another album. I'm not holding out hope though. To me this band peaked with The Odyssey
again ... I tend to agree,,,,,
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eh, never say never. Is it likely? Probably not. But you never know. Michael Romeo is getting his aggressive / riff-oriented stuff out on his solo albums now so perhaps he'll take Symphony X back in a more melodic/symphonic direction if they ever get around to doing another album. I'm not holding out hope though. To me this band peaked with The Odyssey
again ... I tend to agree,,,,,
I agree, the harsher Dio-esque vocals and Pantera-ish riffs were a nice addition there and weren't overshadowing their epic/prog side there. And the title track is just so unbelievably good.
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I really like Paradise Lost as well, despite preferring the vocal style on earlier albums. It was my first new album since becoming a fan of the band, so maybe that has a bit of an influence, but I love a lot of the tracks and it's probably second only to TDWOT for me.
I found Underworld pretty consistent, but I feel like it lacked the highs of previous albums - even Iconoclast had its title track, The End of Innocence and When All is Lost. Nothing from Underworld would be among my favourite SX songs. Been a while since I listened to it as well though, need to check it out again soon.
Underworld was consistent, you're right. But while it lacks a Reign Of Madness, Divus Pennae or Odyssey, I think it has some of their strongest hooks. Many songs say what there is to say in 4-6 minutes. Sometimes, Legend pops into my head out of nowhere, that tune has such strong melodies!
I'm totally fine with the music they're making right now (except they could make it a little more often), it sounds confident, not unnecessarily complicated, it rocks, it's amazingly performed and sung and it's fun :metal
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I really like Paradise Lost as well, despite preferring the vocal style on earlier albums. It was my first new album since becoming a fan of the band, so maybe that has a bit of an influence, but I love a lot of the tracks and it's probably second only to TDWOT for me.
I found Underworld pretty consistent, but I feel like it lacked the highs of previous albums - even Iconoclast had its title track, The End of Innocence and When All is Lost. Nothing from Underworld would be among my favourite SX songs. Been a while since I listened to it as well though, need to check it out again soon.
I'm totally fine with the music they're making right now (except they could make it a little more often)
Exactly! The bass player (Mike Lepond) has put out three killer solo albums since Underworld. That's why I can't figure out why SX hasn't even put out one album since then. Perhaps something to do with the other band members circumstances? I know Michael Romeo helped Lepond produce his three Silent Assassins albums.
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I really like Paradise Lost as well, despite preferring the vocal style on earlier albums. It was my first new album since becoming a fan of the band, so maybe that has a bit of an influence, but I love a lot of the tracks and it's probably second only to TDWOT for me.
I found Underworld pretty consistent, but I feel like it lacked the highs of previous albums - even Iconoclast had its title track, The End of Innocence and When All is Lost. Nothing from Underworld would be among my favourite SX songs. Been a while since I listened to it as well though, need to check it out again soon.
I'm totally fine with the music they're making right now (except they could make it a little more often)
Exactly! The bass player (Mike Lepond) has put out three killer solo albums since Underworld. That's why I can't figure out why SX hasn't even put out one album since then. Perhaps something to do with the other band members circumstances? I know Michael Romeo helped Lepond produce his three Silent Assassins albums.
Lepond has a MILLION things: DeadRisen, Silent Assassins, Ross the Boss Band and a few other projects. As far as I know, the material of Romeo's solo album was supposed to be a new Symphony X album, but it didn't happen because of the Adrenaline Mob accident. He's got part 2 almost done, but whether he focuses on it or on a new Symphony X album, is anyone's guess right now. I think the ones who work at a slower pace in the band are Romeo and Pinella. But they respect each other's paces, and Romeo even helped out Silent Assassins and Pinella's solo album.
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Are the guys from SX doing their music for a living or do they have other jobs (like Alan Morse from Spock's Beard)?
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Pretty sure Russell Allen is a musician and only a musician (vocalist) full-time. He does studio sessions and works with acts like the Trans Siberian Orchestra and
Ayreon
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A new Star One is in the works. Pretty sure he's involved.
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A new Star One is in the works. Pretty sure he's involved.
I'm not so sure actually. After Russell has last-minute cancelled his appearance on Ayreon Universe shows, there's no guarantee Arjen will continue working with him.
We'll see, I guess.
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The fact that Arjen is abandoning the very special chemistry that came from Floor/Dan/Damian/Russell as THE vocalists for the first two Star One albums, and being somewhat aloof and coy about the multi-vocalist approach this time around ... well, I'll bet next week's paycheque that Russell is NOT on the upcoming Star One album.
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Listening to Jason's 3 Rules album right now. Man, this smokes! Loving it.
As for Russ, he seemed to kind of drop off the face of the earth after the accident. I only know of 1 album he was on since then and it was the Allen/Olzon thing. I know he also suffered an injury during the last TSO tour rehearsals. I've wondered if the AMob accident scarred him mentally in a way that he hasn't, or maybe never will recover from. I just don't see much out there from him. I could also be totally wrong. Just has been on my mind.
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Listening to Jason's 3 Rules album right now. Man, this smokes! Loving it.
As for Russ, he seemed to kind of drop off the face of the earth after the accident. I only know of 1 album he was on since then and it was the Allen/Olzon thing. I know he also suffered an injury during the last TSO tour rehearsals. I've wondered if the AMob accident scarred him mentally in a way that he hasn't, or maybe never will recover from. I just don't see much out there from him. I could also be totally wrong. Just has been on my mind.
Russell did all vocals on the new Joel Hoekstra album, and it's pure 80's hard rock. Amazing album, man. Check out this song: https://youtu.be/4twyJ-VON5k
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Listening to Jason's 3 Rules album right now. Man, this smokes! Loving it.
As for Russ, he seemed to kind of drop off the face of the earth after the accident. I only know of 1 album he was on since then and it was the Allen/Olzon thing. I know he also suffered an injury during the last TSO tour rehearsals. I've wondered if the AMob accident scarred him mentally in a way that he hasn't, or maybe never will recover from. I just don't see much out there from him. I could also be totally wrong. Just has been on my mind.
Russell did all vocals on the new Joel Hoekstra album, and it's pure 80's hard rock. Amazing album, man. Check out this song: https://youtu.be/4twyJ-VON5k
Thanks, I will. I went down a bit of a Russ rabbit hole after my post and saw that he and Jeff Scott Soto split vocals on Joel's 2015 album and was planning on looking into that as well.
EDIT: Picked up both Hoekstra albums and the Romeo album today. No idea when I will get any of this stuff. First Hoekstra album is coming from Laser CD as they were the only one that had it in stock. Second Hoekstra album is coming from Amazon but they don't have it in stock right now. Romeo is coming from Amazon, but not until next week, I guess. Amazon Prime is somehow not 2 day shipping, but 1 week plus now.
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Listening to the Romeo album now. I swear he is trying to score a TOS Star Trek movie. Pretty sure I heard the scary theme from Wrath Of Khan when he is about to detonate the Genesis device. :lol
Other than that, I kind of wonder why he continues with SymX. He got a for hire singer and drummer and made a SymX album. Not like name recognition is huge or that he really lets anyone else write in the band anymore. It's a good album.
I have the first Hoekstra album here too and the second one is supposed to be here tomorrow.
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The problem with this Romeo album is that he doesn't want to do live shows with the orchestrations piped in...he would like to do "the real thing", playing with an orchestra which is not financially viable. It's a problem he creates for himself.
The second Hoekstra album SMOKES the first one.
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Listening to Jason's 3 Rules album right now. Man, this smokes! Loving it.
As for Russ, he seemed to kind of drop off the face of the earth after the accident. I only know of 1 album he was on since then and it was the Allen/Olzon thing. I know he also suffered an injury during the last TSO tour rehearsals. I've wondered if the AMob accident scarred him mentally in a way that he hasn't, or maybe never will recover from. I just don't see much out there from him. I could also be totally wrong. Just has been on my mind.
Russell did all vocals on the new Joel Hoekstra album, and it's pure 80's hard rock. Amazing album, man. Check out this song: https://youtu.be/4twyJ-VON5k
Awesome, didn't know about that one. :tup
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The band began writing Underworld on September 8, 2014 (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/symphony-x-to-begin-recording-new-album-this-week/#uyW8cyfFMm1f5szq.99), & the album was released on July 24, 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_(Symphony_X_album)). That's 319 days. If writing begins in a month from now, that's 350 days, so we should expect the album on April 24, 2021.
Sorry guys. I guess not. :emo:
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Listening to the Romeo album now. I swear he is trying to score a TOS Star Trek movie. Pretty sure I heard the scary theme from Wrath Of Khan when he is about to detonate the Genesis device. :lol
Do you mean STAR WARS? I hear the Star Wars theme all over this album during the musical interludes.
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Wow I kind of missed how awesome When All Is Gone is. Kinda fell off their new style so haven’t paid much attention to those last 3 albums but yeah that’s a great song and the kind that is SORELY missed.
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Wow I kind of missed how awesome When All Is Gone is. Kinda fell off their new style so haven’t paid much attention to those last 3 albums but yeah that’s a great song and the kind that is SORELY missed.
Damn, saw the thread bump and got excited.
Nevertheless, yes, it's a gem.
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Wow I kind of missed how awesome When All Is Gone is. Kinda fell off their new style so haven’t paid much attention to those last 3 albums but yeah that’s a great song and the kind that is SORELY missed.
Damn, saw the thread bump and got excited.
Nevertheless, yes, it's a gem.
Ditto. I haven't gone to Iconoclast in quite some time, but that is the one (and only) 5* song on that album (imo)
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I don't think I've listened to it since it came out. And I don't remember having any real issues with it.
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Got quite a few spins from me. I really liked the overall heaviness of it.
If I pick an album to go back to though, it's always Underworld.
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If I pick an album to go back to though, it's always Underworld.
Underworld or V for me. Love the heavyness of Underworld but love the melodic aspect of V.
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If I pick an album to go back to though, it's always Underworld.
Underworld or V for me. Love the heavyness of Underworld but love the melodic aspect of V.
Underworld and Odyssey. V and TIO after that.
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Underworld and Odyssey for me too. 2 clear cut winners.
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Over the years, The Damnation Game became my default SX album
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Wow I kind of missed how awesome When All Is Gone is. Kinda fell off their new style so haven’t paid much attention to those last 3 albums but yeah that’s a great song and the kind that is SORELY missed.
:lol When All Is Lost came up on my Stratovarius Radio Playlist on Spotify and it is a great song. It has that older Symphony X sound blended nicely with the newer heavier sound. Russel as well used both of these styles well too.
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If I were to pick 2 albums , Underworld and Divine Wings. I never really bonded with Odyssey and V like most seem to....I would probably take Twilight In Olympus and Paradise Lost over those.
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Divine Wings & Paradise Lost for me, though it's funny how two albums that reference each other so much are my two favourites. :justjen
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Divine Wings and V for me.
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Divine Wings and V for me.
and me. I think Underworld is excellent though.
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If I were to pick 2 albums , Underworld and Divine Wings. I never really bonded with Odyssey and V like most seem to....I would probably take Twilight In Olympus and Paradise Lost over those.
Yeah, I picked Odyssey but with you on V. Could never quite connect with that one.
Paradise Lost would be in my top 3. Actually I may reach for that before Odyssey come to think of it.
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Divine Wings & Paradise Lost for me, though it's funny how two albums that reference each other so much are my two favourites. :justjen
Those are my 2 as well. :metal
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Divine Wings and V. V is my favorite SymX album. The Odyssey’s epic title track is by far their best song IMO.
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I much prefer the style of The Divine Wings of Traggedy, Twilight in Olympus, & V: The New Mythology Suite.
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Divine is my easy #1. Second block would have V, Twilight in Olympus and Damnation Game. I do enjoy Odyssey, Paradise Lost and Iconoclast, but not as much...and I think Underworld was their best since V. Pleasant surprise for me when it came out.
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Divine is my easy #1. Second block would have V, Twilight in Olympus and Damnation Game. I do enjoy Odyssey, Paradise Lost and Iconoclast, but not as much...and I think Underworld was their best since V. Pleasant surprise for me when it came out.
Yeah mang. Pretty much how I look at it. I'm not sure if I like Underworld more than Odyssey though.
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Announced a tour.
http://www.symphonyx.com/site/
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I much prefer the style of The Divine Wings of Traggedy, Twilight in Olympus, & V: The New Mythology Suite.
:tup :tup :tup
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Announced a tour.
http://www.symphonyx.com/site/
Yup. As I posted in the Haken thread, this may finally be my chance to cross Symphony X off my concert bucket list. Hope it works out. Tickets look reasonable, so hopefully the logistics work out. This will be one of the few concerts I intentionally arrive late to miss the opening act, but the headliner is worth the price.
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I am looking forwards to finally seeing Symphony X. Wish they could've been able to book the venue here again, but who knows the reasons, likely logistics issues, but the date they were supposed to play here, they're playing in Mesa instead.
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So glad they're playing the Showbox in Seattle. One of my favorite venues and that's where they played for the Underworld tour. I actually met Mike Lepond while Overkill was playing, very nice guy!
Also a member of this forum was nice enough to buy me a cheeseburger, fries, and beer before the show. 🤘
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I am excited to see them! But I am going to wait to get my tickets as I don't want anything to complicate the rescheduled DT shows.
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Scored my tickets for May. Whole family is going and all pumped. FINALLY going to see Russell Allen sing live. He never does the west coast TSO tour. And the last time I had a shot at seeing Symphony-X, they dropped off the Queensryche tour in 2004 before getting to Vegas.
Can't wait. And while I'm not overly familiar with Haken, their reputation is stellar, and I know the singer did that Shattered Fortress tour with Portnoy, so I know it'll be a great vocal performance. Should be a great night.
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I hope they take that package to europe.
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I was totally jacked (and had a ticket) to see them when it was with Firewind and Primal Fear as support. This, not too excited about - plus it's about 2.5 hours from where I currently live. Good news is, they're playing on a Sunday here, so this is a coin toss at the moment.
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Got my ticket for the Keswick this morning! SX & Haken! Can't get much better package than that :metal
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I was totally jacked (and had a ticket) to see them when it was with Firewind and Primal Fear as support. This, not too excited about - plus it's about 2.5 hours from where I currently live. Good news is, they're playing on a Sunday here, so this is a coin toss at the moment.
Same for me. The Chicago show date and location doesn't work for me.
It was a stronger package with Primal Fear and Firewind.
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They have a tour set up but are they putting out an new album? I hope so.
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They have a tour set up but are they putting out an new album? I hope so.
Not that I know of. I haven't heard anything about SX making a new album, unless they are keeping it on the down low. This last couple of years could have been a great opportunity to do so.
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They have a tour set up but are they putting out an new album? I hope so.
Not that I know of. I haven't heard anything about SX making a new album, unless they are keeping it on the down low. This last couple of years could have been a great opportunity to do so.
Ahh that sucks.
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News on Michael Romeo's new album:
InsideOutMusic is pleased to announce the signing of legendary Symphony X guitarist Michael Romeo , for the release of his upcoming album ‘War of the Worlds, Part II’. The follow up to his 2018 album ‘War of the Worlds, Part 1’, will be released on Feb 4th, 2022.
For WOTW2, Romeo welcomed a couple of returning players – drummer John Macaluso and bassist John “JD” DeServio – but the album marks the first time he worked with Croatian singer Dino Jelusick. “I go way back with John and JD, so they were the obvious choices, but this time I wanted to try something different with the vocals”, Romeo says. “Dino came highly recommended, and he totally nailed it! He really brought an exciting element to the music.”
The new album proves again, that Michael Romeo is one of the most renowned songwriters in progressive metal. His new studio effort is a mind-blowing return that till take every progressive metal enthusiast on a journey!
Get a taste of the new album here: https://youtu.be/sUbAtYWReig
#MICHAELROMEO #SYMPHONYX #PROG #METAL #DINOJELUSIC #JOHNDESERVIO #JOHNMACALUSO
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Snippet sounds exactly how you'd think it would sound. But that chorus is great.
I wonder why he can't release these compositions with his main band. He was always the main composer of the band anyway.
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That's very cool! Color me excited.
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I thought the first album was pretty good, but after a few spins from me, I've had no urge to play it again.
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I thought the first album was pretty good, but after a few spins from me, I've had no urge to play it again.
I go back to it every so often. It's a banger, even though a little generic
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Nice!. Been a long time coming, I'm sure he said part 2 was almost finished around the time part 1 came out.
Musically, I preferred part 1 to Underworld I think.
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VERY excited for this, but didn't Symphony X just announce a tour? The timing of this announcement and the release seems off...
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VERY excited for this, but didn't Symphony X just announce a tour? The timing of this announcement and the release seems off...
Yes they did. The foundation of the tour is their 20th anniversary, which was supposed to happen last year. Since it's been postponed, they finally recognized that and announced the new dates.
With how the music business works by things being planned in advance, Michael Romeo likely already had planned to release a new album, and get that process started after they completed their 20th anniversary tour, which would coincide with this announcement, as those legalities with being signed were squared away.
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It was a stronger package with Primal Fear and Firewind.
Agreed. I would have preferred the other package for sure. But since my wife and I haven't seen Symphony-X before, it was a no-brainer that we were going regardless. Haken will be interesting. I won't miss their set. Very interested in seeing how they perform live.
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It was a stronger package with Primal Fear and Firewind.
Agreed. I would have preferred the other package for sure. But since my wife and I haven't seen Symphony-X before, it was a no-brainer that we were going regardless. Haken will be interesting. I won't miss their set. Very interested in seeing how they perform live.
I'd love to go - I had tickets for the 2020 tour before COVID screwed it all up. I did see them in 2004 when they did the short run with Queensryche, so I can say that I've seen them, and they played 2-3 songs from The Odyssey, one from V, one from Twilight and one from Divine Wings.
I'd hope that they break out more older songs since this is their 20th anniversary tour. The Underworld set was most of Underworld and maybe a song or two from Paradise Lsot, and one, single older song.
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Super excited for his new album. I listen to War of the Worlds pt1 a lot. I loved the singer on pt1, but the snippets sound good here as well, so don't mind the change.
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It was a stronger package with Primal Fear and Firewind.
Agreed. I would have preferred the other package for sure. But since my wife and I haven't seen Symphony-X before, it was a no-brainer that we were going regardless. Haken will be interesting. I won't miss their set. Very interested in seeing how they perform live.
I think having only Haken and Symphony X is way better. I don't mind Primal Fear and Firewind, but three shows in a row with that intensity...by the time Symphony X hit the stage, I'd be exhausted.
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I just find it baffling that a band like Symphony X (as good as they are) is going on tour after all this time with no recently released material. It's a shame they haven't been able to market themselves in a more timely manner for whatever reasons.
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Super excited for his new album. I listen to War of the Worlds pt1 a lot. I loved the singer on pt1, but the snippets sound good here as well, so don't mind the change.
The singer on pt1 is amazing! Quite honestly, kind of sad to see him go... I listened to the snippets on pt2 and I prefer the original singer based on what I heard.
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Bumping up the thread since they are on tour with Haken.
Revisiting Iconoclast: what a great album! Very underrated imo. I'm currently revisiting it and even though it is heavy, you can still hear the keyboards.
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Revisiting Iconoclast: what a great album! Very underrated imo. I'm currently revisiting it and even though it is heavy, you can still hear the keyboards.
I haven't listened to SX in a long long time, but when I do listen to them, it's mostly Paradise Lost, Iconoclast and The Odyssey (the epic) :metal
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I saw the setlist to the opening night and it seemed really underwhelming for a 25th Anniversary tour. They touched on a couple of the older records, but it's still heavy on Underworld and featured a big, epic song, which takes up the same space as 2-4 additional songs in the set that could have been used to balance things out.
I had a ticket for the original tour in 2020, but decided against going this time (since the openers are different and that was the primary draw for me that year). I don't feel like I'm missing out based on their set.
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I thought they were pretty good last night. I was never a big fan (I went for Haken) but they may have won me over as a band I should check further out. The guitaring was really awesome. I thought the vocals were really good too. The covid stuff he was talking about in between songs felt like a bit too much, probably my only real complaint. I've seen some people on social media complain about the set, as someone who never saw them, I can't complain but it seems like those complaints are legit. I did have to leave right before they ended the Odyssey though as it was approaching 11:30pm.
Here's my recording: Symphony X - Run With The Devil LIVE @ Irving Plaza New York City NY 5/10/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDewyDi9oA)
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I'm excited for the show in Toronto on Sunday, but also kind of underwhelmed by the setlist.
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I've seen comments on FB lately regarding the lackluster setlist of this tour.
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I saw the setlist to the opening night and it seemed really underwhelming for a 25th Anniversary tour. They touched on a couple of the older records, but it's still heavy on Underworld and featured a big, epic song, which takes up the same space as 2-4 additional songs in the set that could have been used to balance things out.
I had a ticket for the original tour in 2020, but decided against going this time (since the openers are different and that was the primary draw for me that year). I don't feel like I'm missing out based on their set.
I was at the NYC show. I'm a big Symphony X fan and always enjoy seeing them live; last night was no exception. However, I agree with your comments. Considering that this tour is billed as a 25th anniversary celebration and that the setlist was abbreviated, I was disappointed that they played four songs off of Underworld and, in so doing, did not have time for songs from the albums that were not covered in the show. Additionally, I don't understand how or these bills are put together and why they had to have two bands play before Symphony X. It's probably good for the venues. It seemed like a lot of people were buying drinks and merchandise while Trope was playing. As a result, Symphony X didn't take the stage until about 10:00 p.m. and played a time-limited set.
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Bumping up the thread since they are on tour with Haken.
Revisiting Iconoclast: what a great album! Very underrated imo. I'm currently revisiting it and even though it is heavy, you can still hear the keyboards.
Agree. Very enjoyable and under-rated album.
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I thought they were pretty good last night. I was never a big fan (I went for Haken) but they may have won me over as a band I should check further out. The guitaring was really awesome. I thought the vocals were really good too. The covid stuff he was talking about in between songs felt like a bit too much, probably my only real complaint. I've seen some people on social media complain about the set, as someone who never saw them, I can't complain but it seems like those complaints are legit. I did have to leave right before they ended the Odyssey though as it was approaching 11:30pm.
Here's my recording: Symphony X - Run With The Devil LIVE @ Irving Plaza New York City NY 5/10/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDewyDi9oA)
Were you also parked in the garage on 15th Street that closed at 11:30 p.m.?
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I've seen comments on FB lately regarding the lackluster setlist of this tour.
Lackluster is generous when describing that setlist.
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I thought they were pretty good last night. I was never a big fan (I went for Haken) but they may have won me over as a band I should check further out. The guitaring was really awesome. I thought the vocals were really good too. The covid stuff he was talking about in between songs felt like a bit too much, probably my only real complaint. I've seen some people on social media complain about the set, as someone who never saw them, I can't complain but it seems like those complaints are legit. I did have to leave right before they ended the Odyssey though as it was approaching 11:30pm.
Here's my recording: Symphony X - Run With The Devil LIVE @ Irving Plaza New York City NY 5/10/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDewyDi9oA)
Were you also parked in the garage on 15th Street that closed at 11:30 p.m.?
Nope, but I had a train to catch and it's a long walk from the venue to Penn Station.
Additionally, I don't understand how or these bills are put together and why they had to have two bands play before Symphony X. It's probably good for the venues. It seemed like a lot of people were buying drinks and merchandise while Trope was playing. As a result, Symphony X didn't take the stage until about 10:00 p.m. and played a time-limited set.
I've noticed that Irving Plaza shows start/end late. When I saw the ticket say 7:30 I thought thats when the show started, not doors. Trope was terrible IMO. Not surprised people went to buy merch/drinks (I noticed from my spot people leaving the concert hall of the venue to head downstairs). I'm not sure what the point of them was on this tour. I think it's a shame to have to bands showing off music skills and then have an opener play to a backing track and not even be interesting or fun. Didn't fit at all. Should have just given the time to Haken and made it a proper co-headline show.
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What's the merch like?
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What's the merch like?
Didn't take a good look at their merch, maybe someone else did.
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Bumping up the thread since they are on tour with Haken.
Revisiting Iconoclast: what a great album! Very underrated imo. I'm currently revisiting it and even though it is heavy, you can still hear the keyboards.
I think it is great. My only problem is that it is a bit homogenic as an album, especially the 2 disc version, but every song on it's own is quality.
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Yeah the SX setlists are terrible.
They toured Australia for the first time ever a couple years back, I was expecting a nice selection from their back catalogue.
What we got was the entire Underworld album and a Led Zep cover, which was totally underwhelming.
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What's the merch like?
Didn't take a good look at their merch, maybe someone else did.
There were T-shirts featuring individual album cover art on the front and the Symphony X logo above "25th Anniversary." One T-shirt and a hoodie with all nine studio albums arranged in a three by three matrix on the front and a vertical timeline featuring the years of each albums release. Underworld vinyl albums and tour posters signed by the band. A silk screened Underworld flag. Underworld CDs. I may have missed some things.
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I've seen comments on FB lately regarding the lackluster setlist of this tour.
Lackluster is generous when describing that setlist.
I was excited when they played Evolution (The Grand Design) and Sea of Lies, but when they kept going back to Underworld, it became clear that there weren't going to be many deeper cuts. The last time I saw them on the Underworld tour Russell Allen said they would play The Odyssey, so I was pretty sure that the set would not have a lot of songs.
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I also liked the more "tough guy" Russell of years past. The "Tom Jones" look, just doesn't do it for me at a metal show! ;)
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Not a very special setlist for sure, but for me they kind of redeem that by playing The Odyssey. That's THE song for me. Sea of Lies and Evolution (The Grand Design) are also good older tracks. Still, if you ask me they should give Underworld a rest and focus on their classic period if they ever had one (which is, if you ask me, Divine Wings up and until The Odyssey).
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I was at the NYC show. I'm a big Symphony X fan and always enjoy seeing them live; last night was no exception. However, I agree with your comments. Considering that this tour is billed as a 25th anniversary celebration and that the setlist was abbreviated, I was disappointed that they played four songs off of Underworld and, in so doing, did not have time for songs from the albums that were not covered in the show. Additionally, I don't understand how or these bills are put together and why they had to have two bands play before Symphony X. It's probably good for the venues. It seemed like a lot of people were buying drinks and merchandise while Trope was playing. As a result, Symphony X didn't take the stage until about 10:00 p.m. and played a time-limited set.
Package tours are pretty common. I wasn't really interested in seeing Symphony X again because I'm kind of tired of the Underworld-heavy setlists, but in 2020, they were touring with Primal Fear and Firewind, both of whom I LOVE and had never seen before. The openers were the draw for me, and I'd stick around for Symphony X. I'm happy to have seen them in 2004, and even in a short 30-45 minute opening set, I got a couple of tracks from The Odyssey, one from V, one from Twilight and one from Divine Wings.
I love Symphony X and have no complains other than them ignoring some of their older albums. But they want to play the new stuff and I don't blame them. So many other bands go that route and it is what it is. But if you're going to do an anniversary tour for the band itself, break some of those older tunes out again!
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What's the merch like?
Didn't take a good look at their merch, maybe someone else did.
There were T-shirts featuring individual album cover art on the front and the Symphony X logo above "25th Anniversary." One T-shirt and a hoodie with all nine studio albums arranged in a three by three matrix on the front and a vertical timeline featuring the years of each albums release. Underworld vinyl albums and tour posters signed by the band. A silk screened Underworld flag. Underworld CDs. I may have missed some things.
Thanks for the merch info.
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If you're going to do an anniversary tour for the band itself, break some of those older tunes out again!
At the Keswick show, it wasn't even brought up about being an anniversary tour. Just spoke on & on about covid :\
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If you're going to do an anniversary tour for the band itself, break some of those older tunes out again!
At the Keswick show, it wasn't even brought up about being an anniversary tour. Just spoke on & on about covid :\
Given that Russell bonded with Jon Schaffer on the 2011 Iced Earth/Sym. X co-headline tour, it's no surprise that he has some feelings about covid. :lol
This is the tour poster...right there at the top!
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Yes it's in the poster but I think the point was that it's not being acknowledged by the band during their set. Come to think of it, I don't believe they acknowledged it either in NYC. But yes, lots of covid talk.
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Yes it's in the poster but I think the point was that it's not being acknowledged by the band during their set. Come to think of it, I don't believe they acknowledged it either in NYC. But yes, lots of covid talk.
Thanks. I thought it was clear, but guess not :rollin
Liked your video from SX/Haken show :tup
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That label is the excuse for them to tour. That alone doesn't mean the band will go out of their way to acknowledge that in their setlist decisions.
I for one, have listened to their set and although it's the same, there are still songs I do enjoy in there and will enjoy seeing for the first time.
Although, I do wish they would've busted out some other songs rather than riding off their latest release.
I also, have this same setlist feeling about Haken. The one time I get to finally see them and they're playing a lackluster set. I will still enjoy the songs, although their past setlists I would've rather had, like the one they had for Vector tour. But their reasons I understand, because this is them finally touring for Virus.
But Symphony X is playing The Odyssey, so I'm happy about that. Although just one more older song would be nice instead of Serpents Kiss.
Seeing them in Denver, since they not coming to Albuquerque anymore. Oh well, Albuquerque gonna miss out on am awesome show.
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I know I’m in the minority but I wouldn’t care if Symphony X’s entire set was from Underworld- I love that album. The old neoclassical stuff is good and all but I can only take that in super small doses. That said, Paradise Lost and The Accolade are the two best songs they’ve ever written in my opinion.
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I was disappointed that I couldn’t go see the NYC show, and now that I saw the setlist and that they closed with The Odyssey, which is my absolute favorite Symphony X song.
EDIT: seeing that they’re ending in NJ, I’ll try to make it out to that show.
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That label is the excuse for them to tour. That alone doesn't mean the band will go out of their way to acknowledge that in their setlist decisions.
I for one, have listened to their set and although it's the same, there are still songs I do enjoy in there and will enjoy seeing for the first time.
Although, I do wish they would've busted out some other songs rather than riding off their latest release.
I also, have this same setlist feeling about Haken. The one time I get to finally see them and they're playing a lackluster set. I will still enjoy the songs, although their past setlists I would've rather had, like the one they had for Vector tour. But their reasons I understand, because this is them finally touring for Virus.
But Symphony X is playing The Odyssey, so I'm happy about that. Although just one more older song would be nice instead of Serpents Kiss.
Seeing them in Denver, since they not coming to Albuquerque anymore. Oh well, Albuquerque gonna miss out on am awesome show.
My first Symphony X show (or second) was at The Launch Pad in ABQ. Drove from El Paso, TX to see them. Devin Townsend opened for them. I wasn’t a fan of Devin during those days. He still had the skullet and I hared what he played that night. Symphony X had just released The Odyssey and they played the 2 hr set even though the total crowd was like 50 people. Drove back again for Gigantour in ABQ and saw them in the smaller stage, front row and it was a kick ass show…
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That label is the excuse for them to tour. That alone doesn't mean the band will go out of their way to acknowledge that in their setlist decisions.
I for one, have listened to their set and although it's the same, there are still songs I do enjoy in there and will enjoy seeing for the first time.
Although, I do wish they would've busted out some other songs rather than riding off their latest release.
I also, have this same setlist feeling about Haken. The one time I get to finally see them and they're playing a lackluster set. I will still enjoy the songs, although their past setlists I would've rather had, like the one they had for Vector tour. But their reasons I understand, because this is them finally touring for Virus.
But Symphony X is playing The Odyssey, so I'm happy about that. Although just one more older song would be nice instead of Serpents Kiss.
Seeing them in Denver, since they not coming to Albuquerque anymore. Oh well, Albuquerque gonna miss out on am awesome show.
My first Symphony X show (or second) was at The Launch Pad in ABQ. Drove from El Paso, TX to see them. Devin Townsend opened for them. I wasn’t a fan of Devin during those days. He still had the skullet and I hared what he played that night. Symphony X had just released The Odyssey and they played the 2 hr set even though the total crowd was like 50 people. Drove back again for Gigantour in ABQ and saw them in the smaller stage, front row and it was a kick ass show…
That's amazing. I wish I was into the music then, but I was barely getting into that style of music when I was 14. During their set at Gigantour, me and cousin were waiting in our seats, watching them set up the main stage for Nevermore. Although, I did see some of their set while going to the bathroom. Of what I heard at Gigantour, it sounded amazing.
I did get down to the seats during Dream Theater's set and I still remember reaching the top of the grass when JM came out to open The Glass Prison.
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I know I’m in the minority but I wouldn’t care if Symphony X’s entire set was from Underworld- I love that album. The old neoclassical stuff is good and all but I can only take that in super small doses. That said, Paradise Lost and The Accolade are the two best songs they’ve ever written in my opinion.
I really like Underworld too. The last time I saw them before this tour, they played every song on the album and I enjoyed it. I also enjoyed the NYC show on May 10, but I was not what I was expecting. I thought it would be a career-spanning show.
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I know I’m in the minority but I wouldn’t care if Symphony X’s entire set was from Underworld- I love that album. The old neoclassical stuff is good and all but I can only take that in super small doses. That said, Paradise Lost and The Accolade are the two best songs they’ve ever written in my opinion.
Just curious what you don’t like about the classic material? I mean it has much stronger melodies, etc.
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I never really clicked with the pre-V material, by and large, but wouldn't mind it live. That said, it is hard for me to fathom why any fan of the band would be upset about a set dominated by Underworld and including The Odyssey. They have some really good albums, but they all pale in comparison to Underworld.
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The band was ON FIRE in Toronto tonight. I managed to get pictures with Lepond, Jason and Romeo.
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I never really clicked with the pre-V material, by and large, but wouldn't mind it live. That said, it is hard for me to fathom why any fan of the band would be upset about a set dominated by Underworld and including The Odyssey. They have some really good albums, but they all pale in comparison to Underworld.
I think a lot of fans would disagree that Underworld is their best album. For me, I think it's a really good album but I prefer others. But the problem with that set isn't that it's Underworld heavy. (And to Volante99 - if they played all of Underworld on the Underworld tour, I might not have preferred it, but no argument from me either). It's that their setlists are always (im-andmanyotherfans-o) crappy. They always play the same stuff. If one has never seen SX before, then it's different. But (some) people are tired of Serpent's Kiss and Set the World on Fire etc over and over and over again. And even Evolution and Sea of Lies - when they were playing songs from those albums, those are the songs they always played. There are lots of songs from albums old and new that people would love to hear. And then to call this an anniversary tour... Imagine that DT never played anything from their old albums besides Pull Me Under and 6:00, then they stopped playing those for a while, then brought them back for an anniversary tour instead of one of the many other songs people have been wanting to hear. Imagine they played In Constant Motion at every show and yep, anniversary tour, surprise, here it is again.
We argue here about DT not changing the setlist on the same tour like they used to, but most agree that they at least do a good job mixing it up from one tour to the next. Symphony X doesn't come anywhere close to doing that. Plus they do polls of what they should play and then ignore the results..
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I never really clicked with the pre-V material, by and large, but wouldn't mind it live. That said, it is hard for me to fathom why any fan of the band would be upset about a set dominated by Underworld and including The Odyssey. They have some really good albums, but they all pale in comparison to Underworld.
I think a lot of fans would disagree that Underworld is their best album. For me, I think it's a really good album but I prefer others. But the problem with that set isn't that it's Underworld heavy. (And to Volante99 - if they played all of Underworld on the Underworld tour, I might not have preferred it, but no argument from me either). It's that their setlists are always (im-andmanyotherfans-o) crappy. They always play the same stuff. If one has never seen SX before, then it's different. But (some) people are tired of Serpent's Kiss and Set the World on Fire etc over and over and over again. And even Evolution and Sea of Lies - when they were playing songs from those albums, those are the songs they always played. There are lots of songs from albums old and new that people would love to hear. And then to call this an anniversary tour... Imagine that DT never played anything from their old albums besides Pull Me Under and 6:00, then they stopped playing those for a while, then brought them back for an anniversary tour instead of one of the many other songs people have been wanting to hear. Imagine they played In Constant Motion at every show and yep, anniversary tour, surprise, here it is again.
We argue here about DT not changing the setlist on the same tour like they used to, but most agree that they at least do a good job mixing it up from one tour to the next. Symphony X doesn't come anywhere close to doing that. Plus they do polls of what they should play and then ignore the results..
Agreed with all of this. I love Underworld and The Odyssey, but advertising it as an anniversary show and playing the same group of songs that have been played since 2015 is a bit lazy.
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Even as someone who saw them for the first time, knowing how they do their set lists now, it's kind of a joke :lol I'd be pretty pissed if I got the same set list as usual for an advertised anniversary tour.
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I'll be seeing them in Seattle soon and I'll be quite happy with the setlist. I love Underworld and The Odyssey so that helps. :metal
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I am completely fine with the setlist. Perhaps branding it as the anniversary tour was a mistake, but the setlist itself looks good to me. The Oddysey is one of the best prog metal tracks out there and the other songs have a good amount of variation and have Russel sing in different modes.
The time I saw them was dissapointing to me (Iconoclast tour) because it was pretty much just full force metal with the exception of When All is Lost. All great metal and performed well, but the lack of variation/contrast and utilization of Russel's singing hurt the experience.
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Maybe a dumb question, but what is this the 25th anniversary of?
I can't see anything monumental that happened in 1997, but I feel dumb since I'm obviously missing something?
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Maybe a dumb question, but what is this the 25th anniversary of?
I can't see anything monumental that happened in 1997, but I feel dumb since I'm obviously missing something?
Was it actually in 95? For example, the Aerosmith concert this fall is their 50th anniversary show but it's really 52 because it was originally scheduled for 2020.
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Maybe a dumb question, but what is this the 25th anniversary of?
I can't see anything monumental that happened in 1997, but I feel dumb since I'm obviously missing something?
The 25th Anniversary tour was supposed to be in 2020, but COVID happened.
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Didn't they release the debut album in 1994? I guess it's because Russell joined in 1995 then.
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Gotcha. Still a little confusing, but I gotcha.
And yea, if it's a 25th anniversary of the band as we know it, it's a bit odd to not have that reflected at all in the set list or anything else.
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I think Romeo always treated the debut as a demo. Or that's how he feels now.
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I think also they were just tentatively coming back in 2019 and doing some touring when Russell was ready after the accident he'd been in. They might have needed more time to plan an anniversary tour and one year later would be close enough.
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I saw them on the 17th in Cleveland. Even with a smaller crowd (half the audience left after Haken…) they absolutely SLAYED!! :metal :metal :metal
The last time I saw them was at the same venue, Agora Ballroom in 2015ish opening for Overkill(?). That concert really sucked for me because they essentially just played Underworld and Paradise Lost singles. Both albums I love, don’t get me wrong, but I would have loved to hear a deep cut or a really proggy song like Egypt or Accolade for variety’s sake. Back then the band was not really on their A game either, Jason Rullo for example not being able to to do the blast beats on Kiss of Fire and Pinella fucking up the piano interlude in Without You… it didnt help that the person I brought with me to that show was a total bitch.
But that was then, this is now.
I think the whole band must have been practicing their chops over quarantine break because good lord they were TIGHT! Rullo is a fucking monster on the drums, the blast beats were nailed, his drum tone was awesome. Pinnella had a great little piano solo. Its fucking crazy how good this band is considering they don’t play to a click, and in Michael Romeo’s case, not using in-ears AT ALL. How do you even do that?
Also, Symphony X has a great live sound in general. Haken’s new-fangled tech was honesty painful to listen to. Literally, as in like, all those synth bass drops coming from the PA system hurt my eardrums to listen to.
Symphony X literally still plays through amps, Lepond himself still has his bass tethered to something with an instrument cable, but damn, I could actually hear the bass guitar clean and clear, so that ought to mean something.
Russell was the top tier frontman he always is. My girlfriend commented that he made eye contact and interacted with every person in the room. And he was funny as hell.
Setlist overall was a pleaser. It was a treat to hear When All Is Lost and THE ODYSSEY for the first time!!! I dropped $200 at the merch booth because they finally have some good shirts. I got an amazing zip up hoodie with all the studio album covers on the back and a vinyl version of Iconoclast signed by the band.
Best concert experience I’ve ever had, hands down. Better than Foo Fighters, Between The Buried and Me, Genesis… I’m beyond satisfied. I love this band too much.
Russell said many times during the show that his passion for performing this music was really reignited on this tour and he wants Symphony X to get on the road again hopefully in the next few years… we’ll see, fingers crossed.
If they do, personally, I vote that they bring out some more deep cuts and retire this set list for at least one tour cycle. Communion and The Oracle, Paradise Lost, Walls of Babylon, Divine Wings, Egypt, Looking Glass… PLEASE! :hefdaddy
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Pleased to read you had a great time dude, SymX are super dope. Good to hear they still got it.
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Seeing them next week! With a new DT buddy I met at a preshow meet up! (yay! another girl to rock with!)
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I saw them on the 17th in Cleveland. Even with a smaller crowd (half the audience left after Haken…) they absolutely SLAYED!! :metal :metal :metal
The last time I saw them was at the same venue, Agora Ballroom in 2015ish opening for Overkill(?). That concert really sucked for me because they essentially just played Underworld and Paradise Lost singles. Both albums I love, don’t get me wrong, but I would have loved to hear a deep cut or a really proggy song like Egypt or Accolade for variety’s sake. Back then the band was not really on their A game either, Jason Rullo for example not being able to to do the blast beats on Kiss of Fire and Pinella fucking up the piano interlude in Without You… it didnt help that the person I brought with me to that show was a total bitch.
But that was then, this is now.
I think the whole band must have been practicing their chops over quarantine break because good lord they were TIGHT! Rullo is a fucking monster on the drums, the blast beats were nailed, his drum tone was awesome. Pinnella had a great little piano solo. Its fucking crazy how good this band is considering they don’t play to a click, and in Michael Romeo’s case, not using in-ears AT ALL. How do you even do that?
Also, Symphony X has a great live sound in general. Haken’s new-fangled tech was honesty painful to listen to. Literally, as in like, all those synth bass drops coming from the PA system hurt my eardrums to listen to.
Symphony X literally still plays through amps, Lepond himself still has his bass tethered to something with an instrument cable, but damn, I could actually hear the bass guitar clean and clear, so that ought to mean something.
Russell was the top tier frontman he always is. My girlfriend commented that he made eye contact and interacted with every person in the room. And he was funny as hell.
Setlist overall was a pleaser. It was a treat to hear When All Is Lost and THE ODYSSEY for the first time!!! I dropped $200 at the merch booth because they finally have some good shirts. I got an amazing zip up hoodie with all the studio album covers on the back and a vinyl version of Iconoclast signed by the band.
Best concert experience I’ve ever had, hands down. Better than Foo Fighters, Between The Buried and Me, Genesis… I’m beyond satisfied. I love this band too much.
Russell said many times during the show that his passion for performing this music was really reignited on this tour and he wants Symphony X to get on the road again hopefully in the next few years… we’ll see, fingers crossed.
If they do, personally, I vote that they bring out some more deep cuts and retire this set list for at least one tour cycle. Communion and The Oracle, Paradise Lost, Walls of Babylon, Divine Wings, Egypt, Looking Glass… PLEASE! :hefdaddy
That's unfortunate. When I saw them in 2011, Nevermore was on the bill but cancelled, so there wasn't very many people at the venue. They still put on an amazing show like it was a full house. Haken is boring as fuck and I'd hate to have to sit through them.
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
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Glad you had such a good experience, Progdrummer. I have heard from friend who went that Russell sounded a lot better than he did last time around, and the show was more overall better as well. Most thought it was a little short and had been hoping for tracks such as you suggested.
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Just got back from the show in St. Louis and it was pretty freaking awesome! I’ve never seen Symphony X perform and man I’m bummed this was the only time I have.
Russell Allen flat out commands the room and is a beast of a singer…..plain and simple. Romeo was electric and the rest of the band were tight as hell. Such a good show. Allen was interacting with the crowd all night….which BTW may have been the best crowd I’ve been a part of. Just alive and in to it all.
Even the girl singer from ‘Trope’ was blown away at the response……Ross and the rest of the Haken clan looked happy as all get out over the energy of the crowd….it was real fun night. Me and my two older sons went. They love Haken and that was their first time seeing them and they were floored by Symphony X.
The kiddos got to meet and speak with Peter after Hakens set and when we were walking to my truck after the show we cut through the alleyway behind the venue and there was Allen, Romeo and the bass player smoking cigs. Just said a quick hi to them and told them it was an awesome night….they said thanks and we were on our way.
I’d highly recommend going to see this show if you can.
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That sounds like a great time Gary! Glad you and the boys had fun.
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I was on the fence about going to this show because it's 3 hours each way to Orlando. I love Haken and have always liked Symphony X. I just saw that they're playing the Odyssey and saw the performance from NYC... HOLY SHIT!! They sound absolutely phenomenal!!!! I'm off that damn fence now for sure!!! :lol
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Show was awesome last night. I ended up in the front row.
Russell's sort of Covid talk was a great precursor to start Without You. Other than, he never really mentioned it much at all.
Russell was having a blast, and he was having fun the security in the front. There was a guy in a mobile wheelchair, who was in the bottom pit and security and most of the crowd did their best to keep him safe. Due to this, Russell mentioned that to the security guard, thanked him a lot, and then he gave a pic to the guard to hand to the guy in the wheelchair.
Even though the set was closer to past tours, it was my first time seeing them so I didn't care, it still was an amazing show.
After the set ended, I stayed and waited for the sound guy, and asked him for the set. Amazingly, no one else was there waiting for it. Soon after, this guy came up to me to take a picture of it.
Haken was amazing as well, but will post more about it in that thread and a full show review in the concert thread.
Overall, I had a blast and would have loved to have seen this show in Albuquerque. Too bad for that venue though not rebooking them because it was amazing.
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After the set ended, I stayed and waited for the sound guy, and asked him for the set. Amazingly, no one else was there waiting for it. Soon after, this guy came up to me to take a picture of it.
They didn't let you keep it?
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I'm that idiot. I was originally going to stay the whole show, but after the first few songs, I got really bored and hungry, so I left. No shade to the band. Russ sounded amazing.
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I'm that idiot. I was originally going to stay the whole show, but after the first few songs, I got really bored and hungry, so I left. No shade to the band. Russ sounded amazing.
No offense meant man, it’s your $.
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After the set ended, I stayed and waited for the sound guy, and asked him for the set. Amazingly, no one else was there waiting for it. Soon after, this guy came up to me to take a picture of it.
They didn't let you keep it?
Of course they did. While I turned around to leave, this guy came up to me asking to take a picture. That was after I accidentally sort of curved it the wrong way and taped it at the ends. I carefully took it apart as I walked to my ride.
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No offense meant man, it’s your $.
None taken! This is a Symphony X thread; it's expected for you to be a passionate fan.
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I'm that idiot. I was originally going to stay the whole show, but after the first few songs, I got really bored and hungry, so I left. No shade to the band. Russ sounded amazing.
I don't think I've ever been THAT hungry! :corn :facepalm:
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Just got back from the show in St. Louis and it was pretty freaking awesome! I’ve never seen Symphony X perform and man I’m bummed this was the only time I have.
Russell Allen flat out commands the room and is a beast of a singer…..plain and simple. Romeo was electric and the rest of the band were tight as hell. Such a good show. Allen was interacting with the crowd all night….which BTW may have been the best crowd I’ve been a part of. Just alive and in to it all.
Even the girl singer from ‘Trope’ was blown away at the response……Ross and the rest of the Haken clan looked happy as all get out over the energy of the crowd….it was real fun night. Me and my two older sons went. They love Haken and that was their first time seeing them and they were floored by Symphony X.
The kiddos got to meet and speak with Peter after Hakens set and when we were walking to my truck after the show we cut through the alleyway behind the venue and there was Allen, Romeo and the bass player smoking cigs. Just said a quick hi to them and told them it was an awesome night….they said thanks and we were on our way.
I’d highly recommend going to see this show if you can.
We can disagree on the Blues/Avs....but I saw this show in Denver and it was amazing. :coolio
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I don't think I've ever been THAT hungry! :corn :facepalm:
Let's say there were other things in effect that probably made me feel more hungry than I was. :lol
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The show in Seattle was ridiculously awesome last night! :metal
I missed most of Haken as we missed the ferry by about one minute, lol!
Then we missed half of the encore (The Odyssey) because we had to bolt
for the 12:15 ferry to get back across the water. Arghh!!
I brought friend to the show and he was floored, and is now a Symphony X fan. 💥🤘
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I'm that idiot. I was originally going to stay the whole show, but after the first few songs, I got really bored and hungry, so I left. No shade to the band. Russ sounded amazing.
I don't think I've ever been THAT hungry! :corn :facepalm:
I met up with a DT fan I met in Denver for the Salt Lake show. I thought we were having dinner first. But she just started walking to the venue. She lives there so I was like OK. We went up to the balcony (All GA about 800 people total for the venue) and there was a bar.
I had beer for dinner....
Oh and the show was awesome. We went down to the floor for Symphony X and got pretty close. I love the vibe of GA.
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I agree. I'm a Symphony X fan but saw Haken's set and was very impressed. If I waited for Symphony X's set to enter the theater, I would have missed a good band that I will be digging into further. That being said, I didn't see Trope. I'm still irritated that they had three bands play. I wish Symphony X hit the stage earlier and played longer.
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I'm still irritated that they had three bands play. I wish Symphony X hit the stage earlier and played longer.
This! I missed most of the encore (The Odyssey) because I had to catch the 12:15 ferry departing from Seattle. I was really looking forward to seeing that song live.. :facepalm:
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That’s criminal that a bunch of people walked out after Haken . . . have they never heard Russ sing? Or heard Romeo play? Idiots.
It's criminal that people went just to see Haken.
I'm still irritated that they had three bands play. I wish Symphony X hit the stage earlier and played longer.
This! I missed most of the encore (The Odyssey) because I had to catch the 12:15 ferry departing from Seattle. I was really looking forward to seeing that song live.. :facepalm:
Going to a Symphony X show and missing their best song, damn that’s terrible!
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Terrible indeed, in fact,, CRIMINAL !!! Still had a great time regardless, they were amazing.. 💯💪
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I also had to leave before the end of the odyssey, train to catch as it was approaching 11:30. Usually I don't get too annoyed with the later shows but relying on public transportation makes it difficult.
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I also had to leave before the end of the odyssey, train to catch as it was approaching 11:30. Usually I don't get too annoyed with the later shows but relying on public transportation makes it difficult.
Like when I had to miss the rest of Sons of Apollo's set, including Lines In The Sand, to catch the MARTA back to my hotel.
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
Not at all. In Denver, his "Covid" talk didn't even mention Covid by name at all. All he mentioned was the hardships we all had to go through. That talk was the lead in to mention the next song saying, we can't do this...Without You.
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
Not at all. In Denver, his "Covid" talk didn't even mention Covid by name at all. All he mentioned was the hardships we all had to go through. That talk was the lead in to mention the next song saying, we can't do this...Without You.
that's a relief! we don't need another Jon Schaffer, and Russell always seemed such a nice guy, that I would hate to see him go down that path.
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
Of course, if he did we wouldn't have a problem with that because we respect all points of view, right?
[I am triple vaxxed by the way, but totally understand if one is resistant to take the vaccine]
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
Of course, if he did we wouldn't have a problem with that because we respect all points of view, right?
[I am triple vaxxed by the way, but totally understand if one is resistant to take the vaccine]
You beat me to it! It shouldn't be a problem, should it?
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Not all points of view and beliefs deserve respect. Unless you're being sarcastic, then carry on.
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Not all points of view and beliefs deserve respect.
Be careful there...As this line of thinking is how many world conflicts have occurred.
Even if he was, I wouldn't have cared. It's no different than the other musicians saying to get vaccinated. No musician is going to dictate or convince me to change how I decide to live my life. That would be me idolizing a human and being like those people that dress up and copy their idols.
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Not all points of view and beliefs deserve respect.
Be careful there...As this line of thinking is how many world conflicts have occurred.
Even if he was, I wouldn't have cared. It's no different than the other musicians saying to get vaccinated. No musician is going to dictate or convince me to change how I decide to live my life. That would be me idolizing a human and being like those people that dress up and copy their idols.
That's because humans are crazy. If you believed lizard people ran the government, I'm not going to respect that one bit. Most People deserve respect in some form, beliefs do not. Saying, "well, that's your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree." Why should I respect someone's batshit crazy beliefs? So yeah, respect the person, not the belief. Although, I've lost so much respect for Jon Schaffer as a person. It's one thing to have crazy views, it's another to act on them. I'm pretty sure Russell Allen isn't looney tunes though.
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Not all points of view and beliefs deserve respect.
Be careful there...As this line of thinking is how many world conflicts have occurred.
Even if he was, I wouldn't have cared. It's no different than the other musicians saying to get vaccinated. No musician is going to dictate or convince me to change how I decide to live my life. That would be me idolizing a human and being like those people that dress up and copy their idols.
That's because humans are crazy. If you believed lizard people ran the government, I'm not going to respect that one bit. Most People deserve respect in some form, beliefs do not. Saying, "well, that's your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree." Why should I respect someone's batshit crazy beliefs? So yeah, respect the person, not the belief. Although, I've lost so much respect for Jon Schaffer as a person. It's one thing to have crazy views, it's another to act on them. I'm pretty sure Russell Allen isn't looney tunes though.
Freedom of speech, for the speech that I think earned that freedom
Dangerous territory indeed.
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
It wasn't blatant anti-covid stuff, but since he brought it up multiple times, you got the point of where he stood on the matter.
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Not all points of view and beliefs deserve respect.
Be careful there...As this line of thinking is how many world conflicts have occurred.
Even if he was, I wouldn't have cared. It's no different than the other musicians saying to get vaccinated. No musician is going to dictate or convince me to change how I decide to live my life. That would be me idolizing a human and being like those people that dress up and copy their idols.
That's because humans are crazy. If you believed lizard people ran the government, I'm not going to respect that one bit. Most People deserve respect in some form, beliefs do not. Saying, "well, that's your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree." Why should I respect someone's batshit crazy beliefs? So yeah, respect the person, not the belief. Although, I've lost so much respect for Jon Schaffer as a person. It's one thing to have crazy views, it's another to act on them. I'm pretty sure Russell Allen isn't looney tunes though.
Freedom of speech, for the speech that I think earned that freedom
Dangerous territory indeed.
I don't think it particularly violates his freedom of speech to say on a very small forum that you think a musician you like might be cuckoo for cocoa puffs and that you don't respect his beliefs one bit. If you tried to organize people to get his show cancelled based on dubious reasoning (like saying there's a direct link between his beliefs and the safety of the show, but we know musicians don't call the shots on that, so it would be dubious), sure, that's a free speech attack.
I'm against most forms/manifestations of cancel culture, but Zook should have the freedom to say (ha) what he means about this.
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Is Russell spewing antivaxx stuff? (god, I hope not...)
Of course, if he did we wouldn't have a problem with that because we respect all points of view, right?
[I am triple vaxxed by the way, but totally understand if one is resistant to take the vaccine]
You beat me to it! It shouldn't be a problem, should it?
I don't know here in the forum, but for me, personally, it totally would be a problem.
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Not all points of view and beliefs deserve respect.
Be careful there...As this line of thinking is how many world conflicts have occurred.
Even if he was, I wouldn't have cared. It's no different than the other musicians saying to get vaccinated. No musician is going to dictate or convince me to change how I decide to live my life. That would be me idolizing a human and being like those people that dress up and copy their idols.
That's because humans are crazy. If you believed lizard people ran the government, I'm not going to respect that one bit. Most People deserve respect in some form, beliefs do not. Saying, "well, that's your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree." Why should I respect someone's batshit crazy beliefs? So yeah, respect the person, not the belief. Although, I've lost so much respect for Jon Schaffer as a person. It's one thing to have crazy views, it's another to act on them. I'm pretty sure Russell Allen isn't looney tunes though.
Freedom of speech, for the speech that I think earned that freedom
Dangerous territory indeed.
I don't think it particularly violates his freedom of speech to say on a very small forum that you think a musician you like might be cuckoo for cocoa puffs and that you don't respect his beliefs one bit. If you tried to organize people to get his show cancelled based on dubious reasoning (like saying there's a direct link between his beliefs and the safety of the show, but we know musicians don't call the shots on that, so it would be dubious), sure, that's a free speech attack.
I'm against most forms/manifestations of cancel culture, but Zook should have the freedom to say (ha) what he means about this.
Freedom of speech also protects my right to call someone out for viewpoints that are stupid.
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…the fuck is going on in here, guys?
Russell is not anti-vax. Or if he is, he doesn’t preach about it.
The End.
This band is pretty cool by the way.
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…the fuck is going on in here, guys?
Russell is not anti-vax. Or if he is, he doesn’t preach about it.
The End.
This band is pretty cool by the way.
Amen brother!!!
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There is also a great interview with Russel on "Breaking Absolutes" podcast with Peter Orullien. It's seven hours long, but it's one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Russ is such a great down to earth guy and has a lot of cool things to say. Btw just for the record, he is not antivax. I can't believe that even came up in this thread. Get over yourselves and go see Symphony X on this tour if you can, they are killing it live right now! :metal
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There is also a great interview with Russel on "Breaking Absolutes" podcast with Peter Orullien. It's seven hours long, but it's one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Russ is such a great down to earth guy and has a lot of cool things to say. Btw just for the record, he is not antivax. I can't believe that even came up in this thread. Get over yourselves and go see Symphony X on this tour if you can, they are killing it live right now! :metal
I already saw the tour and wouldn't of made a comment if he didn't talk about it so much. I commented about this on the first show of the tour a few weeks ago. I don't really care at this point, but if people want to talk about the singer's banter, there's no need to get over ourselves.
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People with terrible views always interpret freedom of speech as freedom from criticism, but that's not how it works. People are free to not listen to you if you're an asshole.
Not speaking about Russell in particular here because I don't know exactly what he's saying.
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People with terrible views always interpret freedom of speech as freedom from criticism, but that's not how it works. People are free to not listen to you if you're an asshole.
Not speaking about Russell in particular here because I don't know exactly what he's saying.
He's saying, "hit the switch, you son of a bitch!"
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People make fun of that line but I actually really like that song.
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People make fun of that line but I actually really like that song.
I do too, but it's still a funny line.
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People with terrible views always interpret freedom of speech as freedom from criticism, but that's not how it works. People are free to not listen to you if you're an asshole.
Not speaking about Russell in particular here because I don't know exactly what he's saying.
He's saying, "hit the switch, you son of a bitch!"
:rollin
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LA show tonight! Have t seen these guys since Wacken 2016, been too long! Very excited for Haken too :metal
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People with terrible views always interpret freedom of speech as freedom from criticism, but that's not how it works. People are free to not listen to you if you're an asshole.
Not speaking about Russell in particular here because I don't know exactly what he's saying.
Who decides when the views are terrible?
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Amazing show by Symphony X last night in Austin. It's just amazing how Allen commands the crowd and the band. Probably best front man in metal right now besides Bruce Dickinson.
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Amazing show by Symphony X last night in Austin. It's just amazing how Allen commands the crowd and the band. Probably best front man in metal right now besides Bruce Dickinson.
:metal :metal :metal
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Amazing show by Symphony X last night in Austin. It's just amazing how Allen commands the crowd and the band. Probably best front man in metal right now besides Bruce Dickinson.
:metal :metal :metal
My sons and I are still talking about this show. I dig Haken big time and they sounded great and it was a blast seeing them live again and watching my sons experience them live for the first time.
BUT....Symphony X stole the show. Allen was so engaging and charismatic AND sounded incredible!!!! I have been lamenting the fact that this was the first time I've ever seen them live. Wishing I'd known about them years ago to perhaps have snuck in another show or two, but I'll take it.
Funny story....after the concert my sons and I took the alleyway behind the venue to get to the parking lot where I'd parked and the back door to the venue was there. Russel, M. Romero and M. Lepond were all standing there just firing away on huge joints. Or at least one of them was and maybe the others were smoking cigs.... This was probably I'd say....10 minutes after the show had ended....anyway, as we walked by (within 10-15 ft) we just told them things like 'great show' and 'had a great time'....and Allen said to us "Thank you...really appreciate it....thanks for coming out" Romeo and Lepold just nodded and smiled.... :lol
Very small exchange but it was cool....and man.....I haven't smoked weed in 14 years but walking through that 'atmosphere' really took me back :lol My boys are old enough to know what it is and have smelled that before so they knew what was going down as well....
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Nice, thanks for the advice... bring a J to the bus immediately after the show on Sunday :lol
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Nice, thanks for the advice... bring a J to the bus immediately after the show on Sunday :lol
I've been out of the game for a while now but I know enough to know that whatever the hell they were smoking might have knocked Snoop Dog unconscious :lol There was lightning in that cloud of smoke they were producing.....
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Oh crap. The band has cancelled their entire European summer tour for some reason. I was supposed to see them at a festival in a few weeks. :sadpanda:
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Oh crap. The band has cancelled their entire European summer tour for some reason. I was supposed to see them at a festival in a few weeks. :sadpanda:
The band's statement said touring Europe was too difficult due to various covid restrictions/policies in place in each country. The comments from European fans all said "what restrictions? touring and festivals are happening in every country!" :facepalm:
My guess is that being covid-vaccinated reduces any restrictions and some of the guys in the band aren't interested in doing that.
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My guess is that being covid-vaccinated reduces any restrictions and some of the guys in the band aren't interested in doing that.
I can say with a 99% degree of certainty that at least one individual in the band is not vaccinated.
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I wonder what that looks like if, and this is mostly hypothetical, one band member refuses to get vaccinated and then the whole band has to drop the tour. It's not like they can just get a replacement for Russel.
I mean...I guess they can get that dude from Ayreon but .......actually, that would be cool.
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I am actually surprised that all of the bands and crews that are currently on the European tours are fully vaccinated. I'd be certain there would have to be some people that aren't. I would be a good call for bands to require vaccinations among the band and crew members if they want to tour during the pandemic, given that some countries still have restrictions.
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I thought they would have had to be vaccinated to tour in Canada. Maybe they were able to get an exception for that?
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I thought they would have had to be vaccinated to tour in Canada. Maybe they were able to get an exception for that?
I'm not up to speed on everything, but that's just crossing one single border. If they are touring Europe, they have to enter a new country pretty much every day, as each country may have different requirements than another.
Over the last 6-12 months, touring in the US seemed easier to navigate than Europe for that reason, though I'm not up to speed on whether that has changed at all. The fact that plenty of other bands are able to do it and Symphony X isn't is rather telling though. The fans lose out in that scenario.
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Oh crap. The band has cancelled their entire European summer tour for some reason. I was supposed to see them at a festival in a few weeks. :sadpanda:
Maybe they throw another US leg together then? Longer show? Different supporting acts....
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I thought they would have had to be vaccinated to tour in Canada. Maybe they were able to get an exception for that?
I'm not up to speed on everything, but that's just crossing one single border. If they are touring Europe, they have to enter a new country pretty much every day, as each country may have different requirements than another.
Over the last 6-12 months, touring in the US seemed easier to navigate than Europe for that reason, though I'm not up to speed on whether that has changed at all. The fact that plenty of other bands are able to do it and Symphony X isn't is rather telling though. The fans lose out in that scenario.
This was last summer so maybe things changed, but I know Unleash the Archers did a show in Europe, came back to Canada (where they are from) and then tried to enter the US and were denied even with negative tests and vaccinations. I asked the guitarist after the NYC show if this was because of going country to country to country and he said yes and they were not aware of that being a rule. Things likely have changed since then, but maybe you are on the right track that jumping country to country is more of an issue, especially if someone isn't vaccinated. Funny how all that covid talk got kind of shutdown in this thread and here it comes to rear it's ugly head again.
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Yeah - I agree that country to country would be potentially more difficult, but a lot of US bands were able to do it recently. It definitely seems like a weak excuse.
I was just questioning whether one of the band members could be non vaccinated after they toured Canada. I'm sure it's possible; I just thought it was a requirement but maybe said band member was able to get a medical exception for Canada that they can't get for one or more European countries.
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Looks like someone on facebook, maybe a promoter by the wording, is saying the band has multiple members unvaccinated and lists Spain that won't let them in. This person offered them to still do the Israel show but they declined so they are quite clearly pissed.
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Is this on the SX Facebook page?
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Looks like someone on facebook, maybe a promoter by the wording, is saying the band has multiple members unvaccinated and lists Spain that won't let them in. This person offered them to still do the Israel show but they declined so they are quite clearly pissed.
Part of their FOH crew was wearing a shirt proudly proclaiming his unvaccinated status. While they're certainly not cancelling dates because of a crew-member, it does suggest something about the attitude of the guys as a whole.
Gary: Here in Dallas he made a quiet, offhanded comment to the effect of "yeah, and we smoke a ton of grass, too." I didn't think much of it, but it appears he wasn't kidding around for the crowd. :lol
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Gary: Here in Dallas he made a quiet, offhanded comment to the effect of "yeah, and we smoke a ton of grass, too." I didn't think much of it, but it appears he wasn't kidding around for the crowd. :lol
Oh he wasn't kidding :lol The cloud was thick and lingering and it reeked of no expense spared on procuring the product. Was a pretty cool 'scene' too as the small incandescent light that was above the door had a weak trickle of power to it so it looked like a very noir-esk movie scene.
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Oh crap. The band has cancelled their entire European summer tour for some reason. I was supposed to see them at a festival in a few weeks. :sadpanda:
Maybe they throw another US leg together then? Longer show? Different supporting acts....
That would be awesome! I wouldn't mind at all to see Symphony X two times in one year. Dream Theater was talking about doing another U.S. leg. Them and Symphony X would be a killer lineup. Or have Mike Leponds Silent Assassins open up, that way he could play bass all night. :lol
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I am confused. I don't think there is a European country where vaccination is mandatory right now? And the borders are open between EU countries? Perhaps getting tested prior to flight is a problem?
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That would be awesome! I wouldn't mind at all to see Symphony X two times in one year. Dream Theater was talking about doing another U.S. leg. Them and Symphony X would be a killer lineup.
Would really dig that. But, I'll say....unless DT decides to do something about their overtly loud sound where JP drowns out everyone else for 80% of the show.....Symphony X as an opener will 'outperform' them.
I utterly LOVE Dream Theater and appreciate everything they are. They're a constant in my life of which their music is indescribably how it's helped me and been a part of my life. BUT....the past two times I've seen them....while they gave a good show.....JP was entirely too loud to the point of detracting from the rest of the band and making the experience just 'alright'.
Compare that to Symphony X from a couple weeks ago and the sound was spot freaking on and it may have been one of the top concerts I've ever been to. Behind only my three experiences with The Neal Morse band and DT in Nashville and Peoria from a few years ago.
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That would be awesome! I wouldn't mind at all to see Symphony X two times in one year. Dream Theater was talking about doing another U.S. leg. Them and Symphony X would be a killer lineup.
Would really dig that. But, I'll say....unless DT decides to do something about their overtly loud sound where JP drowns out everyone else for 80% of the show.....Symphony X as an opener will 'outperform' them.
I utterly LOVE Dream Theater and appreciate everything they are. They're a constant in my life of which their music is indescribably how it's helped me and been a part of my life. BUT....the past two times I've seen them....while they gave a good show.....JP was entirely too loud to the point of detracting from the rest of the band and making the experience just 'alright'.
Compare that to Symphony X from a couple weeks ago and the sound was spot freaking on and it may have been one of the top concerts I've ever been to. Behind only my three experiences with The Neal Morse band and DT in Nashville and Peoria from a few years ago.
This same thought came to mind. The sound even though was loud, you can still hear every instrument. I mean, the drums were punchy and clear, Romeos' guitar sound didn't drown the rest of the band. I mean, I would even dare to say that Pinella's keyboard was too loud lol.
GMiller, do you have Live on the Edge of Forever? That's Symphony X's only live album. Get it, stream it, etc. It has The Divine Wings of Tragedy live which actually blows the studio version away by miles. I've been listening to it ever since after the Austin show.
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That would be awesome! I wouldn't mind at all to see Symphony X two times in one year. Dream Theater was talking about doing another U.S. leg. Them and Symphony X would be a killer lineup.
Would really dig that. But, I'll say....unless DT decides to do something about their overtly loud sound where JP drowns out everyone else for 80% of the show.....Symphony X as an opener will 'outperform' them.
I utterly LOVE Dream Theater and appreciate everything they are. They're a constant in my life of which their music is indescribably how it's helped me and been a part of my life. BUT....the past two times I've seen them....while they gave a good show.....JP was entirely too loud to the point of detracting from the rest of the band and making the experience just 'alright'.
Compare that to Symphony X from a couple weeks ago and the sound was spot freaking on and it may have been one of the top concerts I've ever been to. Behind only my three experiences with The Neal Morse band and DT in Nashville and Peoria from a few years ago.
The problem is Symphony X is high energy and much more "live". So I actually think you may be right that SX would be more fun than DT even though I like DT much more. DT's live show is just very stale. I like the more "metal" feel of the SX live show. Those two touring together seems unlikely though. I think DT will stick with cheaper opening acts if they continue that route.
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That would be awesome! I wouldn't mind at all to see Symphony X two times in one year. Dream Theater was talking about doing another U.S. leg. Them and Symphony X would be a killer lineup.
Would really dig that. But, I'll say....unless DT decides to do something about their overtly loud sound where JP drowns out everyone else for 80% of the show.....Symphony X as an opener will 'outperform' them.
I utterly LOVE Dream Theater and appreciate everything they are. They're a constant in my life of which their music is indescribably how it's helped me and been a part of my life. BUT....the past two times I've seen them....while they gave a good show.....JP was entirely too loud to the point of detracting from the rest of the band and making the experience just 'alright'.
Compare that to Symphony X from a couple weeks ago and the sound was spot freaking on and it may have been one of the top concerts I've ever been to. Behind only my three experiences with The Neal Morse band and DT in Nashville and Peoria from a few years ago.
This same thought came to mind. The sound even though was loud, you can still hear every instrument. I mean, the drums were punchy and clear, Romeos' guitar sound didn't drown the rest of the band. I mean, I would even dare to say that Pinella's keyboard was too loud lol.
GMiller, do you have Live on the Edge of Forever? That's Symphony X's only live album. Get it, stream it, etc. It has The Divine Wings of Tragedy live which actually blows the studio version away by miles. I've been listening to it ever since after the Austin show.
Nope but I will definitely be getting it now.
I think the venue they played at had a lot to do with the experience as well. This place is a 1,000 seat venue that was packed....so it was at capacity. So, not all that big....no need to blow the walls off the place. The mix for them and HAKEN was just spot on. 'Loud' to the point that it was a rock concert but as you mention....it wasn't loud enough to where any one member was drown out.....it sounded great!
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That would be awesome! I wouldn't mind at all to see Symphony X two times in one year. Dream Theater was talking about doing another U.S. leg. Them and Symphony X would be a killer lineup.
Would really dig that. But, I'll say....unless DT decides to do something about their overtly loud sound where JP drowns out everyone else for 80% of the show.....Symphony X as an opener will 'outperform' them.
I utterly LOVE Dream Theater and appreciate everything they are. They're a constant in my life of which their music is indescribably how it's helped me and been a part of my life. BUT....the past two times I've seen them....while they gave a good show.....JP was entirely too loud to the point of detracting from the rest of the band and making the experience just 'alright'.
Compare that to Symphony X from a couple weeks ago and the sound was spot freaking on and it may have been one of the top concerts I've ever been to. Behind only my three experiences with The Neal Morse band and DT in Nashville and Peoria from a few years ago.
The problem is Symphony X is high energy and much more "live". So I actually think you may be right that SX would be more fun than DT even though I like DT much more. DT's live show is just very stale. I like the more "metal" feel of the SX live show. Those two touring together seems unlikely though. I think DT will stick with cheaper opening acts if they continue that route.
Allen was extremely engaged with the crowd....as I just mentioned it was a smaller venue but it may have been the most involved and 'rowdy' crowd I've been a part of and Allen loved it.....as did Ross and all the rest of the guys playing that night. They were genuinely appreciative of the feedback and how enthused the crowd was all night and all members from Haken and SX had smiles on their faces the whole time.
It's not that I haven't enjoyed the DT concerts....I have....largely because I get to share those experiences with my sons now.....it's just man....JP has been LOUD. I'd replace 'stale' with 'rehearsed' which.....can give it that feel I suppose but it's clear that DT just wants to present a product these days and as long as you know that going in you'll be fine. Those MP concert days where it was more organic are simply gone.
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Wow if SX has really fixed their sound issues, that's definitely something. Whenever I've seen them the sound has been really poor and you can rarely hear the keys. I think someone here did indicate that the sound was kind of bad at their show - one of the early ones, maybe Pennsylvania. If they've improved it for most of the other shows, good for them.
I didn't see DT on this tour either but I've never had a problem where I could only hear Petrucci. I usually think JM could be turned up, but even feel like that was better for TA and Distance Over Time tours. And I can always hear Jordan and Mike.
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I agree about SX, they sound awesome on this tour. They weren't too loud at all but they put on one heck.of a show and they were so much fun. Heck, I think they have a more rockin fun show than DT this time around. DT was amazing back in February but they were borderline too loud. Arch Echo was ridiculously loud which made them unenjoyable. I called them Ear Ache-o after that.
Symphonic X is definitely giving Dream Theater a run for their money right now. The crowd was way more engaged too. :metal
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This same thought came to mind. The sound even though was loud, you can still hear every instrument. I mean, the drums were punchy and clear, Romeos' guitar sound didn't drown the rest of the band. I mean, I would even dare to say that Pinella's keyboard was too loud lol.
Dallas or Austin? Sound up here was decent but not great.
Generally, I wouldn't say SX is competing with DT. DT still plays more interesting music, IMO, and their chops are mostly better. Haken, on the other hand, has surpassed DT in every way that matters in my book.
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This same thought came to mind. The sound even though was loud, you can still hear every instrument. I mean, the drums were punchy and clear, Romeos' guitar sound didn't drown the rest of the band. I mean, I would even dare to say that Pinella's keyboard was too loud lol.
Dallas or Austin? Sound up here was decent but not great.
Generally, I wouldn't say SX is competing with DT. DT still plays more interesting music, IMO, and their chops are mostly better. Haken, on the other hand, has surpassed DT in every way that matters in my book.
Austin. The sound was very loud since Trope hit the stage.
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This same thought came to mind. The sound even though was loud, you can still hear every instrument. I mean, the drums were punchy and clear, Romeos' guitar sound didn't drown the rest of the band. I mean, I would even dare to say that Pinella's keyboard was too loud lol.
Dallas or Austin? Sound up here was decent but not great.
Generally, I wouldn't say SX is competing with DT. DT still plays more interesting music, IMO, and their chops are mostly better. Haken, on the other hand, has surpassed DT in every way that matters in my book.
I only caught the last couple of songs of the Haken set, but they sounded good. Symphony X was far better imo, but I guess I can't really give Haken a fair shake since I missed most of their set. As far as Haken surpassing DT with their chops or song writing?? No freakin way man!
Symphony X is close to DT in that department.. 💪
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I really don’t care if some of them would be anti (covid)vax.. some of my closest relatives are and I’ve come to accept that the last couple of years have given people a distorted view of reality. I can’t blame ‘em.
SymX are an awesome band. I’ve seen a few headline shows on The Odyssey tour, seen them open for Dream Theater on the Systematic Chaos tour and the last time was 3 years ago at the Fortarock festival in Holland. It was early in the afternoon, and the sun and it was so damn hot that day but they were so good we were just melting in the burning sun. Too bad they cancelled their Europe tour.
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I really don’t care if some of them would be anti (covid)vax.. some of my closest relatives are and I’ve come to accept that the last couple of years have given people a distorted view of reality. I can’t blame ‘em.
SymX are an awesome band.
Yes, they are awesome. But at the same time, fans are losing out over what has essentially become a job requirement (being covid vaccinated for travel purposes). If they choose to not roll up their sleeves, so be it, but they are also screwing over European fans in the process.
It's not the first time an artist held out in favor of their political beliefs and won't be the last, but it does suck for those fans who wanted to see them.
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Getting ready to start the 3 hour drive to Orlando for tonights show!! Anyone else going?? :metal :metal :metal
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This same thought came to mind. The sound even though was loud, you can still hear every instrument. I mean, the drums were punchy and clear, Romeos' guitar sound didn't drown the rest of the band. I mean, I would even dare to say that Pinella's keyboard was too loud lol.
Dallas or Austin? Sound up here was decent but not great.
Generally, I wouldn't say SX is competing with DT. DT still plays more interesting music, IMO, and their chops are mostly better. Haken, on the other hand, has surpassed DT in every way that matters in my book.
I only caught the last couple of songs of the Haken set, but they sounded good. Symphony X was far better imo, but I guess I can't really give Haken a fair shake since I missed most of their set. As far as Haken surpassing DT with their chops or song writing?? No freakin way man!
Symphony X is close to DT in that department.. 💪
"Chops and songwriting" was with regards to the SX comparison. As for Haken surpassing DT, in my opinion they're a much better live band, and they're writing better music right now. DT is as talented as it gets, but that doesn't necessarily equate to being a great band. Despite the difference in musical talent, Haken is a great band in my book, and DT has been "generally alright" for years now. Greatness left quite some time ago.
Also, if the Carousel encore didn't work for you then your take on SX being better is a fair shake. I couldn't disagree more, but that's why we all come here to talk music, after all.
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As for the Haken set, I arrived at the venue when they were playing Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes. Carousel sounded really cool, but I just wasn't familiar with it. The singer had a cool stage presence but seemed a little off key at times. I wish I could have caught their whole set so I could have got into the vibe a bit more. I'm glad you're digging them El Barto, I'll definitely check out more of their catalog. I have The Mountain on cd and it's kind of hit and miss.
I own the entire Symphony X catalog, and their style of music is right up my alley.
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As for the Haken set, I arrived at the venue when they were playing Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes. Carousel sounded really cool, but I just wasn't familiar with it. The singer had a cool stage presence but seemed a little off key at times. I wish I could have caught their whole set so I could have got into the vibe a bit more. I'm glad you're digging them El Barto, I'll definitely check out more of their catalog. I have The Mountain on cd and it's kind of hit and miss.
I own the entire Symphony X catalog, and their style of music is right up my alley.
Yeah, OofLH was also put in the middle of another kind of weak song, in my book. Definitely not the high point of the show. And Carousel (most of their stuff, actually) probably does benefit from a couple of listens. Once I became somewhat familiar with it it became one of my favorites. Haken's catalog varies quite a bit, so it's kind of hard to pin them down, but that's one of the things I actually really dig about them.
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That’s really idiotic on Russ’ part. Smoking really screws with your voice, ask any professional singer.
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That’s really idiotic on Russ’ part. Smoking really screws with your voice, ask any professional singer.
Who knows for sure if he was actually partaking. Whatever it is he can sure back it up, he sounds amazing on this tour! One of the best vocalists on the scene right now.. :coolio
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I’m honestly quite amazed with how he sounds on this tour. Someone filmed the entirety of The Odyssey and he’s as powerful as he ever was, maybe even handling some passages better than he used to.
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Went to the show last night. Thought they sounded good. The set was better than the NYC show to start the tour, mostly because we got an extra song (I guess it was added after that first NYC show) but also because Russell had his daughter on stage at the end and he did a little serenade to his wife in the crowd. Being a tour ending hometown show for SX, I was hoping maybe they'd do a little more extra but as far as I could tell, that was it. He may have expanded on the end of the Odyssey more than the first time but I had to leave before the end of the song last time, this time I stayed until the end and it seemed like he may have dragged out the ending of the song a bit. When I get home from work I will put together a video that has a lot more footage. Probably at least an hour of the show, I chilled in the back of the balcony by myself and just let the camera roll for most of the show.
Symphony X - Evolution (The Grand Design) LIVE @ Wellmont Theater Montclair NJ 6/12/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27b03jGQYqw)
Symphony X - When All Is Lost (with Russell Singing to his wife) LIVE @ Wellmont Theater Montclair NJ 6/12/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jdd9lVEKQU)
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My long form video from Sunday's show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC5phWFGvE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC5phWFGvE)
but also, I forgot to mention, Russell said multiple times on Sunday that they are planning on touring the US again in 2023. He didn't it was confirmed but kept saying they will be back next year.
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My long form video from Sunday's show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC5phWFGvE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC5phWFGvE)
but also, I forgot to mention, Russell said multiple times on Sunday that they are planning on touring the US again in 2023. He didn't it was confirmed but kept saying they will be back next year.
He said something similar in Denver as well.
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My long form video from Sunday's show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC5phWFGvE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC5phWFGvE)
but also, I forgot to mention, Russell said multiple times on Sunday that they are planning on touring the US again in 2023. He didn't it was confirmed but kept saying they will be back next year.
He said something similar in Denver as well.
Ah ok, I dont think he said that in NYC so wasn't sure if that was an end of tour announcement or not.
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bump.
I miss this band. Sad to see that the last mentions of this band on the internet are talks of another tour and possible album out by 2023. Well, thats not happening.
Anybody have any info?
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Yeah it's a shame how sporadic their releases have become. 6 albums between 1994 and 2002 and then only 3 since.
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Yeah it's a shame how sporadic their releases have become. 6 albums between 1994 and 2002 and then only 3 since.
Oh shit, it's not that I didn't believe you, but seeing it written like that, made me go and check to do the math. They REALLY released three albums in 20 years. Wow. Iron Maiden could have done that and lived only on nostalgia tours, and in 20 years of reunion they released six albums instead.
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They haven’t made a bad album but I do miss those V and Odyssey vibes from them. Hope they have one masterpiece left in them. The ambition of those albums was just something else.
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Yeah it's a shame how sporadic their releases have become. 6 albums between 1994 and 2002 and then only 3 since.
Oh shit, it's not that I didn't believe you, but seeing it written like that, made me go and check to do the math. They REALLY released three albums in 20 years. Wow. Iron Maiden could have done that and lived only on nostalgia tours, and in 20 years of reunion they released six albums instead.
That actually is quite an alarming stat. Venturing into Tool territory.
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In the interviews I did with Romeo, Lepond and Jason Rullo, all three said that the neoclasdical vibe of those mid-2000 albums had run its coyrse. I'd say a new Symphony X album would sound closer to Romeo's solo albums...they were intended to be a new Symphony X album, but Russell wasn't ready to come back yet, after the AMob accident. So Romeo released them as solo albums.
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Well, if they call it quits now, ending on Underworld is going on out as high a note as any band could dream of. That was a truly spectacular effort.
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I’d probably be satisfied with just one more studio release. You know, the tenth, final album, “X”. ;D
They put on such an amazing live show when they did that 2022(?) tour, but yeah. I don’t really blame them at all, I can remember telling myself like “I’m definitely going to read this book soon”, and then literally a decade later I realize oh yeah, I never got around to it and its on the same spot on the shelf. Or finishing that house project, or playing through my backlog of games. Sometimes you just don’t feel like it, for years.
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Naming it "X" would be cool!
I got a sense from talking to the guys that their bread and butter is in other projects, and that Symphony X is more a vanity project for them. I know Lepond plays on TONS of albums and bands, and also produces. Russell is on retainer for Trans Siberian Orchestra, which pays him about 200k per year only to keep his schedule open from October to December every year. Not sure what Pinella does, but Jason Rullo had a food truck for a while. Romeo has a studio and does production. He's also a ghost writer of horror movie soundtracks. It would be great if theyr could tour and record more consistently, but it doesn't look like it's their priority.
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Russell is on retainer for Trans Siberian Orchestra, which pays him about 200k per year only to keep his schedule open from October to December every year.
Wow. Good for him, certainly! but, even though it's not the same situation nor the sole factor as you explained, can we say that after having "killed" Savatage, TSO is now stopping Symphony X as well? :D
I agree however that Symphony X deserves a proper sendoff and a good tenth album. Pity they said the neoclassical style had run its course - they were kinda original and one of a kind with those album, the latter ones, even though they had some amazing music on it, were more "just" metal albums, especially Iconoclast which was all metal metal metal groar grunt ahrrr from beginning to the end, save for one ballad-ish song.
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Yeah, Russel' singing went from "here I am, let me kill the dragon and save a damsel in distress" to "let me park my truck at this gas station, have a few beers and get a hooker for the night".
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Yeah, Russel' singing went from "here I am, let me kill the dragon and save a damsel in distress" to "let me park my truck at this gas station, have a few beers and get a hooker for the night".
:rollin That's the AMOB effect.
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Yeah, Russel' singing went from "here I am, let me kill the dragon and save a damsel in distress" to "let me park my truck at this gas station, have a few beers and get a hooker for the night".
:lol
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I wouldn't be surprised if Symphony X is pretty much finished. If they can't tour Europe anymore due to vaccine restrictions that shuts the band out of a pretty big market. It doesn't really seem like any of them are that invested in writing new songs for the band, especially Russell. It's too bad, I really think they would be at a much higher level of recognition/popularity if they toured/recorded more consistently. Bands like Haken have reached similar levels or higher partially just by being active all the time.
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Well, if they call it quits now, ending on Underworld is going on out as high a note as any band could dream of. That was a truly spectacular effort.
Yep, Underworld is my favorite of their post-V albums, by some margin.
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Naming it "X" would be cool!
I got a sense from talking to the guys that their bread and butter is in other projects, and that Symphony X is more a vanity project for them. I know Lepond plays on TONS of albums and bands, and also produces. Russell is on retainer for Trans Siberian Orchestra, which pays him about 200k per year only to keep his schedule open from October to December every year. Not sure what Pinella does, but Jason Rullo had a food truck for a while. Romeo has a studio and does production. He's also a ghost writer of horror movie soundtracks. It would be great if theyr could tour and record more consistently, but it doesn't look like it's their priority.
Pinella either has a music school or teaches at one, if I recall correctly.
I hope we get one more album. I do recall reading somewhere that they were writing. As far as the touring goes, they toured Europe in 2022 and a couple of festivals in 2023. I don't there are any more vaccine restrictions in Europe. The obvious thing is they can't tour during the European fall touring circuit because of Russell's commitments and it seems the band is fine with that. I think they will tour again next year and possibly a new album as well.
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This may be a hot take, but I wouldn't mind if we don't get another album. But that's just my selfish opinion. Ever since V, they've progressively became a more generic modern metal band with each album and that's something I can live without.
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maybe do another odyssey type album, some tunes with the newer sound and the classic sound, ending with a big epic.
but yeah, if they continue sounding like the recent albums, i really would be fine if this was it.
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In this interview (https://www.invisibleoranges.com/symphony-x-odyssey-20/) I read, Romeo just doesn't think the music he has laying around is in "Symphony X album" shape. Relevant quotes:
So, the idea guided the writing? You first knew you wanted to do the song about The Odyssey and then you wrote around the concept?
Yeah, and for me, that’s just always easier. I always like to have a theme. Paradise Lost, for instance. It’s heaven and hell, it’s dark and light, and the music is gonna kind of be a certain thing. The Odyssey, it’s like, “OK, yeah, you’re gonna have this big epic thing, and it’s gonna be heroic, a hero’s journey, so the orchestra’s gonna be doing some of these big thematic things, and you’re gonna get into some different sections, with different things happening along the storyline.” So, for me, it’s always easier to do it like that, to have a goal or some kind of musical idea, that this will be “the thing.” It’s always kind of been like that with the band. It’s easier to start filling in the blanks with music.
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And we’re working on a Symphony X record now. Well, trying to. It’s so slow.
I was gonna ask, how’s it going?
Dude, things are just weird. With COVID, I don’t know if I have some kind of… I just lose track all of a sudden. My brain fog is like, “What was I just writing?” I’ve got something going on. And some of my guys, too. I was talking to Russ the other day. It’s hard to get inspired, and usually having that idea of a theme or something is when shit starts to go. And I think all of us are just trying to find that thing. The last couple days, maybe there’s a couple possible ideas, but it just seems like everything’s slower now. But I’m down here every day, working, and maybe there’ll be something. It’s always there. There’s always some of these little orchestral things, but something like “The Odyssey,” we haven’t done anything like that in a while. We’ve just got to find that thing. We did the mythology thing, and then we did the heaven and hell thing, and we did the man and machine thing, and it’s like, “What the fuck’s left?” It’s hard to try to find something that hasn’t been done, and something that musically would work. Like, I love horror stuff too, but can you do a 20-minute, big, long epic? I don’t know how that would work.
Do you have some shorter songs that are further stages of completion, or are you still waiting to see what happens with the big epic?
Yeah, dude, I’ve got a ton of shit. I’ve got a bunch of miscellaneous things. But usually, the album really takes focus when it’s like, “This is the thing.” And maybe we won’t find anything. Maybe it’ll just be a bunch of tunes. Fuckin’ nothing wrong with that, either. But it is nice to kind of paint a picture, and have some kind of cool thing.
Well, I hope it reveals itself to you soon. Good luck with everything.
I fuckin’ hope so too, man. I hope so too. It’ll happen, man. Like I said, we’ve been talking, the band guys, and we’re trying to dig deep and find something cool.
I find this kind of candor quite refreshing, and honestly, if they don't find "the thing", I'm pretty happy to wait for them until they do. This is not a band that's going to fall apart or lose members because they're not actively making music/money, anyway, so what's the harm? Wasted potential, sure, but it would be a waste of potential to just do War Of The Worlds stuff every two years but with Russell singing imo.
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Thanks for pulling this up. I don't think that was the interview I was looking or the one that I read but it gives pretty much a big idea on how the SyX camp works.
I'm with you: if they need to find "the thing", then I'll wait.
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I find this kind of candor quite refreshing, and honestly, if they don't find "the thing", I'm pretty happy to wait for them until they do. This is not a band that's going to fall apart or lose members because they're not actively making music/money, anyway, so what's the harm? Wasted potential, sure, but it would be a waste of potential to just do War Of The Worlds stuff every two years but with Russell singing imo.
I dunno, I'm kinda the opposite. I mean, yeah, I'm not in a professional band that writes and performs music for a living, so what do I know. But it also strikes me that if it's that hard to come up with something, you're not doing it right.
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It's probably not that hard to come up with something, but it is hard to come up with something good that feels right to them.
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Does Symphony X music necessarily need to have lyrics about dragons, demons, gods and warfare?
I don’t think I’d really mind if the the theme of the next album was depression, or getting older, or the importance of family, or the importance of connecting to an audience, or quarantine stress, or whatever. Or Russell can sing about pirate shit and rum. As long as the instrumentation is there and the lyrics are somewhat clever lol.
Obviously there’s something to be said about straying too far from your comfort zone and making something that isn’t all that great as a result. But that quote about “We did the mythology thing, and then we did the heaven and hell thing, and we did the man and machine thing, and it’s like, “What the fuck’s left?”” is pretty hilarious.
Write about how you think covid vaccines are bullshit and frame it as the Mark of the Beast or something, or UFOs. Or think about the last cool movie you saw. I think this band had proven they can kinda turn any topic into a really cool jam.
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Currently there are two wars to draw stories from...although I think these events would be mlre fitting in a Sabaton or Iron Maiden album. But who knows, maybe Romeo feels inclined to write something dark and heavy.
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Everyone works differently. I don't think Symphony X *has* to as far as what the fans would enjoy/accept, but it could be that that's just how they work. Maybe they, or more specifically Michael Romeo, just feels like he needs a certain kind of theme for inspiration. I think it's kind of a shame that they take so long between albums, and that when they tour it's always the same old same old, so I guess I care a lot less about what they're doing than I used to. At one time they were one of my favorite bands, but I've lost a lot of interest. Having said that, I'll always check out a new album from them. I liked Underworld quite a bit.
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While a new album would be cool, I basically already hear in my head how it's likely going to end up. That robotic homogenized, generic modern metal production sound that they started with Paradise Lost has really made their albums sound alike.
It would be cool if they'd actually put some effort into a cool sounding production again with its own flavor. V sounded really reverby but that was a vibe. The Odyssey sounds extremely dry in the drum department but it gives the album a unique sound. I miss those imperfections.
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While a new album would be cool, I basically already hear in my head how it's likely going to end up. That robotic homogenized, generic modern metal production sound that they started with Paradise Lost has really made their albums sound alike.
It would be cool if they'd actually put some effort into a cool sounding production again with its own flavor. V sounded really reverby but that was a vibe. The Odyssey sounds extremely dry in the drum department but it gives the album a unique sound. I miss those imperfections.
I actually think they slightly broke that mold with Underworld.
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While a new album would be cool, I basically already hear in my head how it's likely going to end up. That robotic homogenized, generic modern metal production sound that they started with Paradise Lost has really made their albums sound alike.
It would be cool if they'd actually put some effort into a cool sounding production again with its own flavor. V sounded really reverby but that was a vibe. The Odyssey sounds extremely dry in the drum department but it gives the album a unique sound. I miss those imperfections.
I actually think they slightly broke that mold with Underworld.
I agree…
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I think the drums sound kinda weird in Underworld. Like they’re too quiet or something or too quantized. I’m glad that the lead keyboards are nice and loud though.
On V, it’s like you can really hear the sticks smacking the drumhead, and the wood of the shells. Nice old school sound.
V has one of my favorite drum productions up there with Deadwing by Porcupine Tree, Traced in Air by Cynic, and Ordinary Corrupt Human Love by Deafheaven. All of those albums to me have comparable quality in the drum sound where it sounds like its live and I’m in the room with the drummer.
I always wondered if the drums on The Odyssey were electronic, or triggered. They do sound odd…
Iconoclast also had a really awesome drum sound though. And Rullo played the crap out of that album, compared to Underworld.
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Symphony X coming through StL again on May 19th :metal They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken....tix on sale this Friday. I love the venue they'll be at as well....seeing Haken there next tuesday in fact.
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Symphony X coming through StL again on May 19th :metal They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken....tix on sale this Friday. I love the venue they'll be at as well....seeing Haken there next tuesday in fact.
These guys still touring when they haven't released a studio album in 9 years!?
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:lol
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Symphony X coming through StL again on May 19th :metal They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken....tix on sale this Friday. I love the venue they'll be at as well....seeing Haken there next tuesday in fact.
These guys still touring when they haven't released a studio album in 9 years!?
Not that I'd go anyway, but I cannot support a band that doesn't release new material.
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Symphony X coming through StL again on May 19th :metal They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken....tix on sale this Friday. I love the venue they'll be at as well....seeing Haken there next tuesday in fact.
These guys still touring when they haven't released a studio album in 9 years!?
Not that I'd go anyway, but I cannot support a band that doesn't release new material.
If they came here, I'd probably have to see them, but yeah, if I were over there and had seen them already at some stage, no way I'd fucking go.
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I've seen them twice, once with Iced Earth opening and then Overkill opening. Both shows were very good and SX is great live.
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I've seen them twice, once with Iced Earth opening and then Overkill opening. Both shows were very good and SX is great live.
No doubt, when you play the same songs for 9 years, I'd hope they are on point.
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Symphony X coming again. They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken
Yes they did, but ENOUGH. Don't need to see the same songs rehashed once again. At least, play an album in full OR SOMETHING! ::)
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Symphony X coming again. They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken
Yes they did, but ENOUGH. Don't need to see the same songs rehashed once again. At least, play an album in full OR SOMETHING! ::)
If it were like a skeletons in the closet type of deep cut kinda set you'd give them the benefit of the doubt but if it's the same songs, yeah, quality piss taking.
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Symphony X coming again. They sounded great when they were here last time with Haken
Yes they did, but ENOUGH. Don't need to see the same songs rehashed once again. At least, play an album in full OR SOMETHING! ::)
If it were like a skeletons in the closet type of deep cut kinda set you'd give them the benefit of the doubt but if it's the same songs, yeah, quality piss taking.
Agreed. But it's not like they tour every year or anything. If they're mixing up the setlist, I'd be all over it (except for the fact they were touring with Haken! :D). They've got enough of an inventory to have completely different setlists. They're playing like 2 hours away from me, but fortunately on a Friday night. Alas... right when I get back from vacation in May, so I'm not sure it's worth it.
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I've seen them twice, once with Iced Earth opening and then Overkill opening. Both shows were very good and SX is great live.
Me and my sons enjoyed the heck out of them.....they were awesome to watch....Russel Allen had great stage presence and sounded fantastic....I don't care if they end up playing the same set list I saw a year and a half ago we will be there. A good show is a good show and it's at a venue that's 20 minutes away from me so it's a no brainer.
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Wish they were coming out west.
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Did they ever start recording a new album? Or they were just "making progress on it" indefinitely?
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If Crimson Glory can put out a new song, so can Symphony X. But it may take one more decade or so.
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Did they ever start recording a new album? Or they were just "making progress on it" indefinitely?
I haven't heard anything. They release albums at a Metallica pace without the commercial success.
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Here's "The Death of Balance / Lacrymosa" all overdubbed with French Horn and Trumpet ! 😃
(+ an entire choir 🤘)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCLEuYXnN_g
(https://i.postimg.cc/KcqBptFG/Death-of-Balance-00-04-22-17-Still002.jpg)