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Title: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 29, 2011, 11:03:14 PM
I went with M>H>R.  Curious to see what you guys think.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rythym
Post by: zxlkho on August 29, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
.....really?
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rythym
Post by: Sigz on August 29, 2011, 11:18:07 PM
There's no way I could possibly make a statement like that.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rythym
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
.....really?

I agree with this question.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 29, 2011, 11:21:44 PM
I mean, generally, what's the order of importance for you?  Obviously there will be exceptions.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: antigoon on August 29, 2011, 11:25:52 PM
Never stop posting here. It would be a shame to lose such a specimen.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: dethklok09 on August 29, 2011, 11:27:28 PM
I voted Rhythm > harmony > melody

Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 29, 2011, 11:27:57 PM
Rhythm beats all. 
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: zxlkho on August 29, 2011, 11:35:04 PM
I voted Rhythm > harmony > melody


Rhythm beats all. 

How did I not see this coming on a prog forum.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 29, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
Timbre ftw :corn
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ravenheart on August 29, 2011, 11:49:46 PM
All 3 of those things suck.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Well, Melody and Harmony both sound like stripper names, and Rhythm is what you would (hopefully) have while banging them, so based on that, I'd have to say....uhh....

Ok, I don't know where I was going with that. But that's alright, because this thread makes no sense to begin with.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 29, 2011, 11:54:50 PM
this thread makes no sense to begin with.
it makes perfect sense dude
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2011, 11:56:01 PM
Hot damn you're right, I just had to clear my head first. Now it makes sense. That being said,

All 3 of those things suck.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 29, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
it makes perfect sense dude
No.  You forgot to include ensemble type. 

The size of a group playing a piece, as well as what instruments are part of its orchestration can play a large role in the overall sound.

A 18 man big band, 13 of whom are playing tubas, and the rest of whom are either a pianist/synthesizer or percussionist, is going to sound a lot different than a whiny girl and her acoustic guitar, even if they make recordings of the same exact song.   
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: zxlkho on August 29, 2011, 11:57:00 PM
Seriously Hayden, this thread does not make sense. Even if it did... why?
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: dethklok09 on August 29, 2011, 11:57:36 PM
Well asking why wouldn't make sense if the thread did make sense.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Jirpo on August 29, 2011, 11:57:58 PM
All 3 of those things suck.
:lol :lol
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: theseoafs on August 29, 2011, 11:58:46 PM
I know I'm new and everything, but I still think I can discern a silly thread from a thread which deserves to exist. This is the former.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2011, 11:58:57 PM
Seriously Hayden, this thread does not make sense. Even if it did... why?

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Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: dethklok09 on August 29, 2011, 11:59:33 PM
All 3 of those things suck.
I thought so too, until I heard Anal Cunt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV-v4Cq9x-A


Enjoy!
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 30, 2011, 12:00:36 AM
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: zxlkho on August 30, 2011, 12:01:39 AM
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that

....no i don't think it works like that
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: theseoafs on August 30, 2011, 12:03:06 AM
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: zxlkho on August 30, 2011, 12:04:05 AM
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
you can also have drone music, which often doesn't have rhythm.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 30, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
just tell that to steven wilson
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
just tell that to steven wilson
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: theseoafs on August 30, 2011, 12:05:51 AM
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
you can also have drone music, which often doesn't have rhythm.
And you can also have atonal music, which doesn't have harmony, but if our collective knowledge of music is such that threads like these are being made, we don't want to cover too much in the first lesson.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: theseoafs on August 30, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
just tell that to steven wilson
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
just tell that to steven wilson
What?
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 30, 2011, 12:07:25 AM
Or you could have spoken post-modern comedy imposed over a friend tuning his guitar while suffering from bad gas, which would have none of them, if he's got poor pitch.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 30, 2011, 12:09:40 AM
just tell that to steven wilson
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
just tell that to steven wilson
What?
bass communion is sw's favorite project and it has no rhythm
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: theseoafs on August 30, 2011, 12:11:56 AM
Uh... What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcgL_awpTLM
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Gadough on August 30, 2011, 12:12:41 AM
bass communion is sw's favorite project and it has no rhythm

so what you're saying is that bass communion is a white man
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: theseoafs on August 30, 2011, 12:16:05 AM
bass communion is sw's favorite project and it has no rhythm

so what you're saying is that bass communion is a white man
Black people have rhythm, but proggers have rhythms, what with the time changes and all.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Gadough on August 30, 2011, 12:17:50 AM
....Touche, new guy. Touche.

I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 30, 2011, 12:21:37 AM
Hopr you remember to tuck yourself in in 19/16 and please, make sure you're not in A minor.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 30, 2011, 01:41:15 AM
Sort of a bumhole question.  I chose the second option though.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Bombardana on August 30, 2011, 05:08:05 AM
Rhythm > Melody > Harmony
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: ScioPath on August 30, 2011, 06:05:30 AM
I'd rather not vote lol.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rythym
Post by: ehra on August 30, 2011, 06:16:19 AM
.....really?

To be fair, wasn't H also the one arguing that it's was possible to objectively judge if one musician/guitarist was the best?  :P
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Sketchy on August 30, 2011, 06:21:14 AM
R>H>M

Rhythm is just something that gets into my head and sticks (especially if it's in 5. I love the feel of five).

Harmony can make some amazing tension and really give a piece/song colour. Without harmony the music can be very grey.

Melody is very nice, but without the other two it is often uninteresting. It is the other two which give rise to the effect that the melody has.

I would list an exception as being when every or a majority of instruments in a piece are playing more melodic lines (including the bass instrument), but still, the various counterpoints still provide a very definite set of shifting harmonies which allow for the overall colourful complexity to be obtained.

Man, I sound like a pretentious moron.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: jsem on August 30, 2011, 08:42:06 AM
To the actual quetion:

R>H>M

That's usually how it is when I write too, and the melody always comes to be last when I write.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 30, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
Harmony-Melody-Rhythm

Any time I'm singing along in the car, if there's a harmony vocal, I always sing that.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 01:22:10 PM
anticipating some interesting discussion, i, unlike most, was pumped when i seen this thread...

kinda derailed in a hurry.

anywayz, too hard to choose between the two, so i guess i'd say:

M=R >>>>>>>               H
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rythym
Post by: Gorille85 on August 30, 2011, 01:23:59 PM
There's no way I could possibly make a statement like that.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: ZBomber on August 30, 2011, 01:26:20 PM
I absolutely love vocal harmonies, and harmonies in general, but I don't think I could rank any of those three above the other...
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: zxlkho on August 30, 2011, 01:27:19 PM
There really can't be any discussion on this... I mean each one is entirely different in every song so...
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Unfed Pendulum on August 30, 2011, 01:32:24 PM
There really can't be any discussion on this... I mean each one is entirely different in every song so...

That's what I was going to say.
It depends on song and band and genre.

Sometimes I like to listen to Mechugga-chuggah, where R>M>H obviously and sometimes I'd rather listen to some other progressive stuff where M>R>H>M>H>R>H... and so on.

Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 30, 2011, 01:33:27 PM
There really can't be any discussion on this... I mean each one is entirely different in every song so...

That's what I was going to say.
It depends on song and band and genre.

Sometimes I like to listen to Mechugga-chuggah, where R>M>H obviously and sometimes I'd rather listen to some other progressive stuff where M>R>H>M>H>R>H... and so on.


Your username makes you awesome.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: zxlkho on August 30, 2011, 01:35:14 PM
:lol yeah that's a pretty awesome name.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Gorille85 on August 30, 2011, 01:40:13 PM
There really can't be any discussion on this... I mean each one is entirely different in every song so...

That's what I was going to say.
It depends on song and band and genre.

Sometimes I like to listen to Mechugga-chuggah, where R>M>H obviously and sometimes I'd rather listen to some other progressive stuff where M>R>H>M>H>R>H... and so on.


Your username makes you awesome.

THIS :heart
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Unfed Pendulum on August 30, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
Yay...
Thanks. Never thought that the Unexpect reference would be recognized so rapidly.
It's Pendulum just because "Disorted Guest" was rejected in the registration process.

...
I like warm welcomes <3

Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Bombardana on August 30, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
FEEED ME!!!!
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2011, 03:54:01 PM
dude it's a question of subjectivity.  do you like apples or oranges.  do you like porcupine tree or opeth.  do you like melody or harmony. i don't see whats so hard to see about that
If you don't have rhythm, melody and harmony in a song, you have a problem (nonmelodic metal excluded, bless its heart).
you can also have drone music, which often doesn't have rhythm.
And you can also have atonal music, which doesn't have harmony, but if our collective knowledge of music is such that threads like these are being made, we don't want to cover too much in the first lesson.
Actually it does have harmony, but it has atonal harmony. If it's written well then it'll still be specific harmonies to create certain moods/vibes.

Anyway why isn't there an option for Harmony = Melody = Rhythm?
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: King Postwhore on August 30, 2011, 03:56:08 PM
M>H>R
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: skydivingninja on August 31, 2011, 06:59:26 AM
I care about how all of those three things work together.  Ranking them is just kind of silly. 
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: antigoon on August 31, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
I care about how all of those three things work together.  Ranking them is just kind of silly. 

This is, I think, why people have a problem with Yahden's question. For me, it's not something that's ever crossed my mind nor is it something that I care to ponder now that it has. It's all about the end result.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: jsem on August 31, 2011, 10:19:52 AM
I care about how all of those three things work together.  Ranking them is just kind of silly. 
Actually, upon further thought - this is my conclusion as well.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ħ on August 31, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
Pretentious, all of you
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2011, 12:42:53 PM
But what if
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2011, 12:43:05 PM
I mean... you know?
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 12:57:30 PM
After discussing it with my fellow music majors, we decided that Melody and Rhythm are self-sufficient. Harmony requires a melody, therefore it's weaker.

So, Melody = Rhythm > Harmony.
Title: Re: Melody vs. Harmony vs. Rhythm
Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2011, 01:25:49 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much was I was saying.