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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Ħ on August 19, 2011, 03:14:48 PM
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What does it mean for the band? Will they get more mainstream attention? What usually happens?
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The mainstream attention has already been picking up steam since they went to Roadrunner. May mean more album sales after charting than if they charted #2, but probably not much more. They're not going to be on, say, Conan or something because of being #1.
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Mainstream, doubt it. Couple of press-releases maybe.
They will be happy, send out a few tweets. Jordan will do a piano jam for #1. Genie will state how he is OVEEERWHELMED. Pirate will rawk. JP will be like thanks guyz. Myung will be like ....
I hope they get #1 - they deserve it. I'd also want MP to congratulate them also should it happen. He would start to go back up in my estimations should he do such a thing.
DT for #1 - Do I smell an internet campaign?
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Lady A is releasing an album on the 13th as well. Doubt DT will reach #1 because of it.
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Lady A is releasing an album on the 13th as well. Doubt DT will reach #1 because of it.
God damnit
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Never heard of em.
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Number one on what?
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They will be happy, send out a few tweets. Jordan will do a piano jam for #1. Genie will state how he is OVEEERWHELMED. Pirate will rawk. JP will be like thanks guyz. Myung will be like ....
I lol'd.
I hope they do, they do deserve it. It won't necessarily make them more mainstream, but it would probably make some press and interviews and whatnot.
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Yeah, didn't know about Lady Antebellum. Really dislike "Need You Now" after liking it for a nanosecond.
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Does anyone really buy pop albums? I mean, DT has the album experience vibe with their fans that definitely helps them out.
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If DT get number one I will be so pleased :)
I'd also want MP to congratulate them also should it happen. He would start to go back up in my estimations should he do such a thing.
DT for #1 - Do I smell an internet campaign?
Also, this.
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Does anyone really buy pop albums? I mean, DT has the album experience vibe with their fans that definitely helps them out.
As a Store Manager of an FYE, I can say that pop albums go like hotcakes.
When Adele released her album titled 21, they sold so much consistently for months. Lady Antebellum isn't on that level, but it will likely top DT's sales.
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I still think that, unfortunately, it will never happen.
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I think this would mean they'd play the whole album live
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I think this would mean they'd play the whole album live
If we were at 1999-2006 and MP handled the setlists, you could easily bet on that. Nowadays, I don't really know what to expect, because playing the whole album means a very easily made Evening With setlist (if they don't take old songs out), or a really bad list for older fans (if they do take old songs out).
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I'm certainly hoping they will get the first position. Even competing with Lady Antebellum, they might get second. I mean, maybe it's just me but A Dramatic Turn of Events seems to be a lot more heavily promoted than Black Clouds and Silver Linings, so from that perspective at least it should sell better.
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I would guess that all the commotion regarding the Portnoy situation has added to the hype, so I wouldn't be surprised if they debut higher than BC&SL. But yeah, they don't stand much of a chance against a popular mainstream act. My wife will probably want to get the Lady Antebellum CD when it comes out...I'll make her wait a few weeks. :biggrin:
-J
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They're already #1 (to me).
DT is just not a mainstream type of band. Why do people care so much whether or not they top this list or that chart, sell more albums than Lady Gaga, or appear on Conan??
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They're already #1 (to me).
DT is just not a mainstream type of band. Why do people care so much whether or not they top this list or that chart, sell more albums than Lady Gaga, or appear on Conan??
'Cause it'd be brilliant!
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Dream Theater is not going to reach #1 with this album. I will bet every bit of money I have on that right now.
They really haven't gotten any sort of super push that would allow it to happen. They might repeat a #6, perhaps even crawl into the top 5, but there is no way they are going to beat a commercially successful artist who is getting regular publicity and exposure through mass means DT hasn't even scratched the surface of.
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I will pay for college for everyone
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I will pay for college for everyone
I will hold you to this if it happens.
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Chart positions are largely meaningless, mostly because of how relative they are to anything else coming out at the same time. A #1 one week could be fewer copies sold than #8 another week.
On top of that, chart positions are more an indicator of how well known you are rather than a possibility for more media attention. Even if they hit #1, it would be quick blurb in the music media, and not mentioned a week after. It would certainly be a great moment for the guys, and very well deserved, but it probably wouldn't bring much attention to the band or album.
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Yeah, it's not happening. Plus, DT seemed to be getting more metal, which I think helped propel them higher on the charts. This album seems to be LESS "balls and chunk," which I personally think will = less fans. Not that it matters. DT is back to writing music they want to write. Just the way I like 'em.
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DT is back to writing music I want them to write.
FTFY.
You'd think MP was holding a gun to their head to write music they hated. :\
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DT for #1 - Do I smell an internet campaign?
As someone with over 2300 DT fans following me on twitter... ;)
Lady Antebellum seems to be the only strong competition (by that I mean their last album went 3x platinum); Amazon currently has DT #2 behind them. Hendrix, Jackie Evancho, Alice Cooper, and Anthrax all have albums coming that week too. A week earlier and they would've had no problem.
As far as the original question, Slipknot had a #1 album last time round, they didn't exactly "go mainstream." Surprised a lot of people that a metal band could pull that off though.
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While it would be nice to see DT rewarded with a #1 spot, it's not going to happen, and it doesn't really mean much anyway. It would just be a nice moral victory for all of their hard work over the decades.
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As far as the original question, Slipknot had a #1 album last time round, they didn't exactly "go mainstream." Surprised a lot of people that a metal band could pull that off though.
Slipknot are extremely mainstream. They have been for years.
As for the other bands, as much as I like Alice Cooper, his last album to chart in the top 50 was in 1991 (a shame, since Along Came A Spider was really good). With Hendrix, it really depends on what kind of release it is (a boxset would be too expensive to sell bigtime, an old album being re-released would only appear on the catalog chart).
Again, I doubt DT will hit #1 in the US, but it would be awesome if they did.
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but... isnt hendrix dead?
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I'm pretty sure that this won't happen. To be honest, I don't really care if it will or won't, either.
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As far as the original question, Slipknot had a #1 album last time round, they didn't exactly "go mainstream." Surprised a lot of people that a metal band could pull that off though.
Slipknot are extremely mainstream. They have been for years.
I guess I usually equate mainstream with radio play, which they certainly don't get. The do have a much larger fanbase though (4x the likes on facebook).
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If DT reaches #1 on the charts.............I party.
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but... isnt hendrix dead?
HENDRIX LIVES
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They won't crack a US or a UK number one. Smaller countries with less of a pop industry maybe but UK/US is too far so maybe Australia (albums have gotten number one there with 2000 sales IIRC) or smaller european countries. Given the hype around Portnoy leaving and Mangini being hired, they could see themselves better US #6 by a couple of places but any more than that is a bit unrealistic. For a progressive metal album containing three 10 minute plus epics, that's already fairly good.
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Yeah, no way DT outsells Lady Antebellum. No #1 this time.
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Yeah, didn't know about Lady Antebellum. Really dislike "Need You Now" after liking it for a nanosecond.
I liked it better when it was called Eye in the Sky by Alan Parsons Project.
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Dream Theater will never have an album reach #1.
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I have no idea who Lady Antebellum is :/
But I'm going to be optimistic and say that it's possible this time around, it really is. If I recall correctly, they were the first topic on twitter to break through the Royal Wedding mania when the drummer was announced, they've made a tonne of new fans with the festival appearance at High Voltage, and (don't quote me on this) they were number 6 on the Amazon pre-order charts last week. That, with all the drama, snippets, and interviews has really added to the hype. People who may have been doubting DT these past few albums will give the new album a try, even people who aren't major fans of DT will be intrigued by the new sound.
They have a chance, they really do.
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Who the fuck is Lady Antbelly.
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I'm only just vaguely familiar with Lady Gaga, and now there's a Lady Anusbottom too?
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:lol
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Yeah, didn't know about Lady Antebellum. Really dislike "Need You Now" after liking it for a nanosecond.
Listen I am no fan of country music at all but that song is fantastic.
Also, who cares about #1. DT music isn't about sales though I'd love for them to prosper.
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Who the fuck is Lady Antbelly.
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For whatever reason, I find it somewhat amusing when prog and metal fans are just as unaware of pop music as pop music fans are prog and metal. :lol
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Yeah, didn't know about Lady Antebellum. Really dislike "Need You Now" after liking it for a nanosecond.
I liked it better when it was called Eye in the Sky by Alan Parsons Project.
Hey, it is pretty close to the same chord progression. Never caught that before.
For whatever reason, I find it somewhat amusing when prog and metal fans are just as unaware of pop music as pop music fans are prog and metal. :lol
This. Lady Antebellum are pretty big (at least here in the States - I have no idea of the appeal of country music internationally).
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For whatever reason, I find it somewhat amusing when prog and metal fans are just as unaware of pop music as pop music fans are prog and metal. :lol
This. Lady Antebellum are pretty big (at least here in the States - I have no idea of the appeal of country music internationally).
Well, there's an awareness of Johnny Cash, Kenny Rogers, etc., but country music, in general, is something that - in the eyes of the rest of the world - happens to other people. Lady Antebellum's international presence is pretty much zero - on UK shores, anywho. I'm pretty up-together with mainstream music but this is the first I've heard of her.
That said, I can't see Dream Theater punching into the top ten in the UK, Antebellum or no, just 'cause they don't tend to sell quite as well. They made twenty-sixth or twenty-seventh or so last time, vs. the US's sixth. We were down six due to MJ's death (our charts count compilations) but nonetheless. Think they managed 19th-ish with Systematic Chaos. The real threat in the UK is the Red Hot Chilis album, which will have been released the week before, and I figure it'll probably have a bit of longetivity, saleswise. We've got The Kooks and The Drums releasing albums in the UK, which are fairly popular over here. (Although I think one of 'em might be American too?) The Drums are slightly less well-known - I reckon DT could take The Drums - but The Kooks'll probably outstrip Dramatic Turn.
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Lady Antebellum's international presence is pretty much zero - on UK shores, anywho. I'm pretty up-together with mainstream music but this is the first I've heard of her.
It's not a "she" it's a "they." Like Jethro Tull. Except not.
TBH, I like the song that's been discussed (Need You Now), but it is a little overplayed. But such is pop music.
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That said, I can't see Dream Theater punching into the top ten in the UK
pretty much this. as much as i'd love to see them in there, it's highly unlikely.
having said that though, ADToE pre-orders on Amazon in the UK are doing extremely well.
#7 of all music pre-orders, for every genre.
#3 of all rock pre-orders. (in front of Opeth's Heritage and behind RHCP and Kasabian - they were #2 the other day. plus i'll be adding my pre-order later :tup)
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While it would be nice to see DT rewarded with a #1 spot, it's not going to happen, and it doesn't really mean much anyway. It would just be a nice moral victory for all of their hard work over the decades.
also a moral victory against bad music
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ADTOE was #28 on amazon's pre-order chart last night. It's now #23. And it's top on Hard Rock / Metal.
Might have to make a push, but I think they'll get #2.
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They're already #1 (to me).
DT is just not a mainstream type of band. Why do people care so much whether or not they top this list or that chart, sell more albums than Lady Gaga, or appear on Conan??
I guess for me that would be cool because it is an achievement for the band, a reward for all their hard work and great songwriting.
but... isnt hendrix dead?
Yeah, yesterday I discovered that Eric Clapton and him were still alive...
Regarding Lady Antebellum, I knew the band, but the first person who mentioned called them Lady A, which I searched for in Wikipedia. The results were somewhat funny.
I know people call their music country music, but I really don't get that aspect of them... Pretty good pop band in my opinion.
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Yeah, it's not happening. Plus, DT seemed to be getting more metal, which I think helped propel them higher on the charts. This album seems to be LESS "balls and chunk," which I personally think will = less fans. Not that it matters. DT is back to writing music they want to write. Just the way I like 'em.
All the sub-genres of metal combined make up less than 1% of total music sales, so I wouldn't say that is necessarily true.
And as far as Lady Antebellum goes, maybe it's time to go outside, folks :lol. They damn near swept the Grammys and they've got a few songs that are really big.
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Color me an optimist ;D I think it's possible. DT is one of the best for online sales, and with the rabid fanbase, I think it's possible. Maybe not likely, but possible. I think cracking the top 5 is very possible.
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I think the top 5 is VERY much possible. :corn
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Top 5 is perfectly possible. #1? No way.
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JR RT'd my Ytse Times tweet earlier. It got triple the clicks most my tweets do, ADTOE has gone from 28 to 19 in about 15 hours on amazon's pre-order chart.
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Top 5 is perfectly possible. #1? No way.
Sounds about right. Hopefully it will do comparable to BCASL, maybe better, but they aren't going to beat Lady Antebellum.
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JR RT'd my Ytse Times tweet earlier. It got triple the clicks most my tweets do, ADTOE has gone from 28 to 19 in about 15 hours on amazon's pre-order chart.
and now if you look on amazon, ADToE is now at #7 for ALL music pre-orders. incredible!
just realised that Ed Sheeran (an upcoming artist in the UK) is releasing is album the same day as DT and expect that to go pretty high.
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JR RT'd my Ytse Times tweet earlier. It got triple the clicks most my tweets do, ADTOE has gone from 28 to 19 in about 15 hours on amazon's pre-order chart.
and now if you look on amazon, ADToE is now at #7 for ALL music pre-orders. incredible!
just realised that Ed Sheeran (an upcoming artist in the UK) is releasing is album the same day as DT and expect that to go pretty high.
This is ABSOLUTELY incredible! We need to keep it up! Keep going BlacknGold and I will do the same on my personal account!
#DTfor1
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I think the top 5 is VERY much possible. :corn
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JR RT'd my Ytse Times tweet earlier. It got triple the clicks most my tweets do, ADTOE has gone from 28 to 19 in about 15 hours on amazon's pre-order chart.
Cool stuff, if this does well, I'll take the credit for launching the idea of a campaign :P haha!
In all honesty, it will better BC+SL.
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I'm only just vaguely familiar with Lady Gaga, and now there's a Lady Anusbottom too?
I think its Lady Gaga's replacement, this kind of thing happens every century.
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I believe Lady Antebellum has been around longer than Lady Gaga, or their discography just shows that. lol. And they are not anywhere near Lady Gaga's success in regards to album sales.
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I actually really enjoy Lady Antebellum. I have a strong connection to the song Need You Now, as stupid as it sounds
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Well, they reached #1 in Finland and Hungary with BCSL ;D Finland's always been metal, so no wonder really.
And if DT's target was to hit #1, they'd write a 40-minute album with radiohits, not an 80-min album with most songs longer than any pop song in a genre that most people are generally unaware of. But of course I want them to reach as high as possible, it would certainly be worth celebrating if a prog metal band hit number one, showing that the world has become more conscious in their choice of music. They would certainly have earned it.