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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: 2Timer on August 15, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
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I'm sure some if not all of you got an email from Roadrunner asking you the same question.
I refused to take part in their poll in case it's Roadrunner's way of telling DT, as well as all of 'their' bands, how to construct their setlists.
My answer to the question, of course, is...
however many new songs they feel like playing for us.
I think they're extremely proud of their new creation, so if they want they want to show off all or most of it, I say let 'em!
What are your thoughts?
I just realized I wasn't in the concerts and setlists forum. Mods, if you want to move it, please feel free ;)
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As many as possible without ruining the coherency of the setlist and playing too little older material.
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I refused to take part in their poll in case it's Roadrunner's way of telling DT, as well as all of 'their' bands, how to construct their setlists.
??? Why?
But in answer to the question, about half an album's worth is usually typical (perhaps most of the album if it is an longer "evening with" set). If a band has done a halfway decent job of writing good material, this should not be a problem, as those coming to the show will likely want to hear the new stuff. The only time I guess it would be different is if (1) the band has written a lousy album and failed to exercise any quality control whatsoever (Queensryche, I'm looking at you), (2) the band has mainly become a nostalgia act where the majority of fans come mainly just for the old hits and don't really care much whether the band has any new stuff to offer (Queensryche, I'm still looking at you). In DT's case, they've always done a good job of showcasing a lot of new material for whichever album they are supporting on tour, and I would expect that to continue to a large degree.
tl;dnr: What Reap' said.
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As many as possible without ruining the coherency of the setlist and playing too little older material.
I highly doubt you're going to get a better answer. Unless of course Hef could sum it up in 1 word, and that one word can't be "enough".
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I think 3/4 of the album is the ideal. But I wouldn't mind the whole album to be played...
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Depends on the album really...I obviously haven't heard ADTOE, but if what most of us are predicting ends up being true, then I'd like to hear as much as possible! If you would have asked me the same question about Metallica on their St. Anger tour, I would have given you a very different answer!
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edit - oops, double post
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I caught Dream Theater for score, where I had gotten into Dream Theater in May 2005 when I heard SFAM. I remember being disappointed at the time not knowing a lot of the material off Octavarium and they played 5 songs off it... I was psyched to hear the songs I knew, but bummed to hear the ones I didn't know as well. (Another Won, Raise the Knife, and unfamiliarity with the 8VM songs minus the title track and RoAE)
But looking back now, shit it's awesome to relive now that I'm familiar with the material...
If I saw them, and they were playing a 10 song set, I wouldn't want more than say 3 new songs... I know it is tough with Dream Theater, because 10 songs means like 30 songs the non-prog rock band, but yeah in general I'm a "love going to shows where I know EVERY song" kind of a guy... Harder to rock out when you're unfamiliar with the song unless it's catchy IMO, but in Dream Theaters case, youll never get anything catchy.
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The only time I guess it would be different is if (1) the band has written a lousy album and failed to exercise any quality control whatsoever (Queensryche, I'm looking at you), (2) the band has mainly become a nostalgia act where the majority of fans come mainly just for the old hits and don't really care much whether the band has any new stuff to offer
and 3) They've written concept album and want to keep (most of) the whole album to present the concept.
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Just skimmed through the thread, but it also depends on how long the album has been out prior to the tour starting. I know I would not want to hear any music live before I heard it on the album.
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Just skimmed through the thread, but it also depends on how long the album has been out prior to the tour starting. I know I would not want to hear any music live before I heard it on the album.
Which is exactly why they only played On the Backs of Angels for their European festivals this summer, and they didn't want to spoil the rest of the album for us.
Personally I think half of the set being new stuff is good enough. Unless it is like the week after the album comes out and the music hasn't had a chance to sink in to everyone's head yet.
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For me as a follower of bands, I'd rather see as many new songs as I can. I understand there has to be "Staples" for the average fan but give me new songs all the time.
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For me as a follower of bands, I'd rather see as many new songs as I can. I understand there has to be "Staples" for the average fan but give me new songs all the time.
Iron Maiden and Rush always play about about half of each new album.
For ADTOE, I'd be fine if it was played in its entirety. Seriously.
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I've always been the "I want the new songs" guy. Maybe it's because I've seen bands like Maiden, DT, Rush so many times that I want to hear the new stuff. A great as a song like Tom Sawyer and Pull Me Under are, I can live without hearing them for the sake of hearing something new.
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90 minute set = 30 minutes of new songs.
120 minut set = 40 minutes of new songs.
That's the what i think anyway. I hate when bands play to much new material. I want to hear new stuff sure but i really want to hear my favorites!
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For some bands, I only want to see a few new songs, as a lot of bands don't release solid albums of great material like DT. But for DT, I'm happy with almost any new stuff, because they're a band consistently releasing songs I like, and not the type of band that have to fill their quota of obligatory hits like many other bands.
tl;dr version - what Reap said.
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i'd say 4 with only 1 ballad included.
they can remove 8V and play the whole album...that's ok too.
or skip PMU this tour. they could also just play 2/3 tracks from the last tour UGAM, LTL, OTCO
and yes please stop playing enter sandman, one and NEM in the same order.....it's been going onfor 20 years now!
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Harder to rock out when you're unfamiliar with the song unless it's catchy IMO, but in Dream Theaters case, youll never get anything catchy.
Whoa! I mean, fair cop, but I'd say IMO's suffixing the less surprising bit, there - in what universe are Dream Theater not catchy?! They were founded on the premises of:
1. cool riffs,
2. impossible solos,
3. melodies that burrow their way deep into your skull and use it as a kind of sinister holiday home.
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None preferably, one or two max. With music as complex as DT it's impossible to fully appreciate and understand a song the first time it's heard, in a packed out auditorium, all the subtle parts are lost and it just takes up space which could be used for existing songs I already know/love and can enjoy.
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I think about 3.5/10 of the show should be new songs. Unless the new songs are garbage, which is not going to be the case for ADTOE
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None preferably, one or two max. With music as complex as DT it's impossible to fully appreciate and understand a song the first time it's heard, in a packed out auditorium, all the subtle parts are lost and it just takes up space which could be used for existing songs I already know/love and can enjoy.
I think this is more about how much new material is played after the albums out.
4 or 5 songs at least for me. This tour is really the best chance for the new material to shine so it should get a good chunk of the set.
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DT has released so many albums and their songs are quite long, so I think 3 or 4 would be a good amount of new material.
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It depends on the album. If the songs are meant to be heard together, obviously more of it.
It also depends on the length of the set. I think anything over half of the set is overkill. And I would argue if the set is over 30% new, and if songs are stand alone, it is too much, especially at this point in DTs career and their back catalog.
I think SFAM and 6DOIT tours adhered to the 50% max.
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As many as a band wants, it's their material.
I dislike it when bands don't trust their new material. Megadeth are a bad example. Endgame was a brilliant album and they've only played a couple off that with any regularity and one of those was the intro track!
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I think we will hear On The Backs of Angels, Build me up break me down, Lost not forgotten, Outcry, Far From Heaven, and Breaking All Illusions
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It really depends on how good I believe the new new material to be and how familiar I am with the band's catalog in general, and it is different for every circumstance.
When Queensryche toured on Promised Land, I was excited that the whole album was performed that night.
When Def Leppard toured for Songs from the Sparkle Lounge, I was disappointed that only one new song was played, as I thought it was a decent album and was worthy of more exposure.
When I saw Queensryche's opening show on the current 30th Anniversary tour, I was very happy only two songs were played from DTC.
As I have generally not enjoyed DT songs released post-SFAM (with the exception of ToT live), I have been generally disappointed with the last few DT shows I have gone to because there has been a strong emphasis on newer material. If I connect with the forthcoming album, I hope that I will hear a good chunk of it.
Iron Maiden's Brave New World tour featured 5 or 6 new songs, all the ones I wanted to hear (with the exception of Out of the Silent Planet), so I had no complaints. On the flip side, although I didn't see it, I am sure people were pissed when they did the entire AMoLaD album on that tour.
When Rush played the majority of Snakes & Arrows, I had no complaints as I thought it was a good album and the songs translated well into the live setting.
When I see someone like John Mellancamp, I only want to hear radio hits.
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Nine :metal
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I'd actually love to hear the full album in its entirety.