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Title: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Volk9 on August 07, 2011, 09:15:59 PM
Simple enough question; who would win?

(https://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/sonata216/goku-superman-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 07, 2011, 09:16:20 PM
Batman.

The George Clooney one.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 07, 2011, 09:19:45 PM
Goku but he has to be Super Saiyan 2.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Gadough on August 07, 2011, 09:20:26 PM
Goku, no question whatsoever.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Volk9 on August 07, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
I think Goke would definately win SS2 and up.

But normal Goku/SS1 vs Superman would be a more interesting/even fight
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Tripp on August 07, 2011, 10:16:02 PM
SS3 Goku.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 07, 2011, 10:29:14 PM
Vegeta would win this in about 5 seconds, since he would just get a bunch of kryptonite and push it down Superman's throat.

Goku SS2 or SS3 would do the job too, but he would take more time.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: ReaPsTA on August 07, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
I chose Goku, but it depends on the point in the series.

Goku at the beginning DBZ would get killed by Superman.  Not that fast or with energy attacks that good.

After King Kai's initial training, Goku still wasn't quite there.  Like, he was fast and had the Kai-Ken, but his energy had to run out at some point.  Even if he fired the beam with enough energy to destroy Earth (like he did to counter Vegeta's galic-gun), Superman could easily just run around it and kill Goku with a well-placed punch to the Stomache.

But once Goku trained on the ship at 100x gravity, things started to shift.  His speed had become just as Super-human as Superman's, and he was developing the strength and absurd energy attacks to match.  I'd still say you could argue this though.

But once he got out of the rejuvenation tank, he was battling Freiza, an opponent stronger than Superman, semi-competitively.  And once he goes Super Saiyan I don't see how it's a debate anymore.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 07, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Superman wins for being the most uninventive thing ever written.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: wolfking on August 08, 2011, 12:20:56 AM
Batman.

The Michael Keaton one.

fixed.

Nevertheless, between then, Superman.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: AcidLameLTE on August 08, 2011, 12:37:08 AM
Goku.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: XJDenton on August 08, 2011, 07:08:35 AM
Superman wins for being the most uninventive thing ever written.


He invented the modern conception of superheroes. The reason he's cliche is because he invented all the things that became goddamn cliches.
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Post by: Edan the Man on August 08, 2011, 07:11:43 AM
I'm rooting for Goku, but unfortunately since Superman's powers seem to be "being invincible and having fucking every other power ever", he might be at a bit of a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Zantera on August 08, 2011, 07:31:44 AM
Goku.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 08, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
Superman wins for being the most uninventive thing ever written.


He invented the modern conception of superheroes. The reason he's cliche is because he invented all the things that became goddamn cliches.
That's true, but he could've at least been reasonable. :P Not just "Oh I know lets make a guy who can do anything".
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Implode on August 08, 2011, 11:06:12 AM
Superman was invented during the depression. People enjoyed a fictional character that could do anything.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Zydar on August 08, 2011, 11:08:25 AM
I have no idea who this Goku is but unless he has some kryptonite in his pants, Superman wins.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Kosmo on August 08, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
I went to see a few Dragonball clips and just now do I see how fucking retarded this show was.
Title: Re: With logic like this, who needs to stick to the argument?
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 08, 2011, 02:57:11 PM
This sounds like quite the showdown. In fact, it may well be the ultimate showdown. In that case, I pick as victor...

Mr. Rogers!
(https://www.wiredforbooks.org/images/FredRogers4.jpg)

Don't question me! Just look at his intensive training!

(https://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/2/25/Fred_Rodgers.jpg)

And now here's him having no problem handling a Saiya-jin in Oozaru form:

(https://www.koko.org/kidsclub/teachers/images/koko_and_mr_rogers.jpg)
It's no problem for him! He's even grinning!

(https://www.maniacworld.com/evil-mr-rogers.jpg)

I have no idea how this relates to him kicking Supe's ass, but come on, isn't that horrifying? Even with superhuman strength and speed would you want anything to do with that? Didn't think so. Case closed. I guess you could say he's a shoe-in to win:

(https://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/03/16-22/061228_rogers_vmed_8a.widec.jpg)

Oh yeah, Fred. Sock it to 'em.

:lhk:
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Super Dude on August 08, 2011, 03:20:24 PM
Sorry Superman, I know you're family and all, but you can't create a humongous ball of pure energy by yelling a lot.

And because LHK mentioned it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WgT9gy4zQA
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: ACID_FOX on August 08, 2011, 03:43:29 PM
I can't think of ANYONE that could beat Goku.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: XJDenton on August 08, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
Superman wins for being the most uninventive thing ever written.


He invented the modern conception of superheroes. The reason he's cliche is because he invented all the things that became goddamn cliches.
That's true, but he could've at least been reasonable. :P Not just "Oh I know lets make a guy who can do anything".

They didn't. His powers have well defined limits in the original comics and in any comic series that treats him well.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Genowyn on August 08, 2011, 04:04:45 PM
I can't think of ANYONE that could beat Goku.

I can.

How about a character whose power is existence itself and kills people by erasing them from reality?

Fuck yeah:

(https://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/2957/20091113-Kara%20no%20Kyoukai%207%20Satsujin%20Kousatsu%20-2-%20.jpg)
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: ACID_FOX on August 08, 2011, 04:05:54 PM
I can't think of ANYONE that could beat Goku.

I can.

How about a character whose power is existence itself and kills people by erasing them from reality?

Fuck yeah:

(https://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/2957/20091113-Kara%20no%20Kyoukai%207%20Satsujin%20Kousatsu%20-2-%20.jpg)

A NAME MAN GIMMIE A NAME.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Genowyn on August 08, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
Shiki Ryougi.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Super Dude on August 08, 2011, 04:08:49 PM
My God, gotta find that anime.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: ehra on August 08, 2011, 04:13:24 PM
I actually took the time to recreate Goku and Superman with the City of Heroes character builder (or as close as I could). It was around the time I started putting together damage rotation's and calculating each person's average damage per second against the other's defenses and resistances (including and not including temporary damage/defense buffs) that I decided I'm not a dedicated enough nerd to do this shit.




















































But, really. Goku was going to win.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Ravenheart on August 08, 2011, 04:17:05 PM
I'm obligated to choose Goku.

Y'know, with the hair and all.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Genowyn on August 08, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
My God, gotta find that anime.

I may know where one may be able to find it.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 08, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
I can't think of ANYONE that could beat Goku.

I can.

How about a character whose power is existence itself and kills people by erasing them from reality?

Fuck yeah:

(https://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/2957/20091113-Kara%20no%20Kyoukai%207%20Satsujin%20Kousatsu%20-2-%20.jpg)

How can he be defeated?
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 08, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
By someone who gets stronger by screaming!
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Genowyn on August 08, 2011, 05:11:50 PM
I can't think of ANYONE that could beat Goku.

I can.

How about a character whose power is existence itself and kills people by erasing them from reality?

Fuck yeah:

(https://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/2957/20091113-Kara%20no%20Kyoukai%207%20Satsujin%20Kousatsu%20-2-%20.jpg)

How can he be defeated?

*she

Her power is purely offensive. If you shoot her in the head she will be just as dead as anyone else. 
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2011, 06:51:43 PM
I have no idea who this Goku is but unless he has some kryptonite in his pants, Superman wins.
This WTF people.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Zook on August 08, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
I'm pretty sure Goku wouldn't need kryptonite. Hell, Vegeta wouldn't need it either. In fact, Majin Vegeta could probably take out Superman without breaking a sweat.




Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Volk9 on August 08, 2011, 07:44:40 PM
I have no idea who this Goku is but unless he has some kryptonite in his pants, Superman wins.
This WTF people.

You both must not know Goku then :P
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 08, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
It's obvious that Goku'd win.

The real question is how many episodes would it take?
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Heretic on August 08, 2011, 08:02:41 PM
It's obvious that Goku'd win.

The real question is how many episodes would it take?

It'd take about 25, of course. Have to make room for smack talk, charging energy, more smack talk, and 3 minutes worth of actual fighting.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: SPNKr on August 08, 2011, 08:04:34 PM
I have no idea who this Goku is

lame
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Volk9 on August 08, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
It's obvious that Goku'd win.

The real question is how many episodes would it take?

Depends; does the fight take place on Namek?
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Heretic on August 08, 2011, 08:37:13 PM
It's obvious that Goku'd win.

The real question is how many episodes would it take?

Depends; does the fight take place on Namek?

Namek was destroyed, silly.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 08, 2011, 08:37:30 PM
It's obvious that Goku'd win.

The real question is how many episodes would it take?

Depends; does the fight take place on Namek?
:lol :lol
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Super Dude on August 08, 2011, 08:41:33 PM
A NEW CHALLENGER APPEARS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL4HSiGvk68&ob=av3n
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 08, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
Goku.  Anyone who disagrees obviously doesn't know who Goku is.
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Post by: Genowyn on August 08, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
A NEW CHALLENGER APPEARS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL4HSiGvk68&ob=av3n

The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Super Dude on August 08, 2011, 09:08:22 PM
Fuccck.

It's Young Nastyman, armed with the power to kill a yak, from 200 yards away...



WITH MIIIND BULLETS!
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Genowyn on August 08, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
That's telekenesis, Kyle.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Gadough on August 09, 2011, 01:31:17 AM
It's obvious that Goku'd win.

The real question is how many episodes would it take?

It'd take about 25, of course. Have to make room for smack talk, charging energy, more smack talk, and 3 minutes worth of actual fighting.

It's depressing how accurate this is.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Pols Voice on August 09, 2011, 01:49:53 AM
I voted for Goku because, even though I don't watch Dragon Ball, I'm a fan of Akira Toriyama's art style (see my avatar).
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 09, 2011, 09:27:32 AM
Well, I'm tempted to say Goku, because of Ravenheart's hair AND because it sounds like the word "gokkun" (don't search this word at work), but alas, I have to say Superman.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 09, 2011, 09:54:13 AM
Goku.  Anyone who disagrees obviously doesn't know who Goku is.
I don't know who Goku is, so I looked him up on wikipedia.

After reading that, I still vote for Superman, and I suspect that anyone who disagrees doesn't know as much about Superman as they think.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 09, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Superman's been holdin it down since WWII so I don't think Goku's got a prayer unless he's got a Super Saiyan-themed panzer.
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Post by: LCArenas on August 09, 2011, 10:08:03 AM
Goku in SSJ2 Wins by little difference. In SSJ3, bu considerable difference. In SSJ4 it just beats the fucking shit out of Superman.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 09, 2011, 10:52:59 AM
Goku in SSJ2 Wins by little difference. In SSJ3, bu considerable difference. In SSJ4 it just beats the fucking shit out of Superman.
I never mentioned this because DBGT is not canon, but he and/or Vegeta in SS4 would just destroy him.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: MetalJunkie on August 09, 2011, 10:59:24 AM
I have no idea who this Goku is but unless he has some kryptonite in his pants, Superman wins.
This WTF people.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Aramatheis on August 09, 2011, 12:30:33 PM
I have no idea who this Goku is

lame
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Post by: MetalJunkie on August 09, 2011, 12:33:56 PM
https://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Goku&word2=Superman

/thread
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Implode on August 09, 2011, 12:40:45 PM
I'd go out on a limb and say those results can't be fair because almost everyone who's voted superman here has never watched/read dragonball.
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Post by: skydivingninja on August 09, 2011, 12:43:27 PM
Superman, because the writers can conveniently create a "super spirit bomb," or a "super kamehameha" or a "super super saiyan 42" where Superman turns into a giant blonde monkey that's invulnerable to everything except lime green kryptonite (more sour than regular green kryptonite) and who's tail is made of heat vision. 
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: MetalJunkie on August 09, 2011, 12:47:54 PM
I'd go out on a limb and say those results can't be fair because almost everyone who's voted superman here has never watched/read dragonball.
Or they think Dragonball is dumb.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Aramatheis on August 09, 2011, 12:49:01 PM
I'd go out on a limb and say those results can't be fair because almost everyone who's voted superman here has never watched/read dragonball.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: skydivingninja on August 09, 2011, 12:49:48 PM
Dragonball was a lot of fun.  Dragonball Z, yeah, it got pretty dumb.  Even as a kid I thought it was hilarious how they spent God-knows-how-long showing Goku fighting Freiza and then Trunks comes in and kills him and Cooler in like five minutes.  And how Vegeta was almost always the first one to die.  Villain decay to the max. :P
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 09, 2011, 12:56:45 PM
Dragonball was a lot of fun.  Dragonball Z, yeah, it got pretty dumb.  Even as a kid I thought it was hilarious how they spent God-knows-how-long showing Goku fighting Freiza and then Trunks comes in and kills him and Cooler in like five minutes.  And how Vegeta was almost always the first one to die.  Villain decay to the max. :P
Vegeta always fell to the Worf Effect trope. It's too bad, because he was always one of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 09, 2011, 01:07:41 PM
Dragonball was a lot of fun.  Dragonball Z, yeah, it got pretty dumb.  Even as a kid I thought it was hilarious how they spent God-knows-how-long showing Goku fighting Freiza and then Trunks comes in and kills him and Cooler in like five minutes.  And how Vegeta was almost always the first one to die.  Villain decay to the max. :P
Vegeta always fell to the Worf Effect trope. It's too bad, because he was always one of my favorite characters.
Why is it that it's always the lancer/sixth ranger/anti-hero who falls to it?  Not to mention their near universal vulnerability to the armor piercing slap. 
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 09, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
Dragonball was a lot of fun.  Dragonball Z, yeah, it got pretty dumb.  Even as a kid I thought it was hilarious how they spent God-knows-how-long showing Goku fighting Freiza and then Trunks comes in and kills him and Cooler in like five minutes.  And how Vegeta was almost always the first one to die.  Villain decay to the max. :P
Vegeta always fell to the Worf Effect trope. It's too bad, because he was always one of my favorite characters.
Why is it that it's always the lancer/sixth ranger/anti-hero who falls to it?  Not to mention their near universal vulnerability to the armor piercing slap. 
Because what's a better way to show that a bad guy is strong and a menace than by beating down on one of the tough guys of the show?
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Post by: ReaPsTA on August 09, 2011, 01:20:13 PM
Because what's a better way to show that a bad guy is strong and a menace than by beating down on one of the tough guys of the show?

If somebody's always being beaten up though, it's hard to perceive them as tough.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 09, 2011, 01:32:55 PM
Because what's a better way to show that a bad guy is strong and a menace than by beating down on one of the tough guys of the show?

If somebody's always being beaten up though, it's hard to perceive them as tough.
The thing with Vegeta was, that almost always they brought him back and he beat the hell out of the guy who first beat him. So I guess he saved face somewhat with that.
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Post by: Aramatheis on August 09, 2011, 04:55:50 PM
Well that's to be expected, considering that Vegeta's a Saiyan. The closer they come to death, the stronger they become when they get back to full health.

Goku does that same thing. It's how he trained on his flight to Namek; he trained himself to near death, then relaxed and gave himself time to heal, and came back way more powerful than before.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 09, 2011, 05:11:32 PM
Yes, I know, I watched DBZ too.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Aramatheis on August 09, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
Yes, I know, I watched DBZ too.


 :biggrin:

well maybe someone else didn't
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Nekov on August 10, 2011, 09:57:11 AM
I voted Superman for 2 reasons. First off, Goku has died a couple of times while Superman only almost died. Second, the guy can freaking fool everyone around by wearing a suit and glasses! You can't ever beat that.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 11, 2011, 04:53:07 AM
Superman died once.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Nekov on August 11, 2011, 05:48:56 AM
Superman died once.

When?
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 11, 2011, 08:08:55 AM
hefdaddy42 fact: If hef says that Superman* died, you accept it and go on with life.



*This also applies to Chuck Norris.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: slycordinator on August 11, 2011, 08:13:16 AM
Superman died once.

When?
When he fought Doomsday. They both died.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Volk9 on August 11, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
I dont know about comics or whatever, but...



SPOILERS



























In the movie he doesnt die. His heartbeat just slows down a lot and steadily increases back.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Dimitrius on August 11, 2011, 10:01:04 AM
Superman died once.

When?
When he fought Doomsday. They both died.
I guess if you wanna get really, really technical, you can say twice. You know, when Kal-L (the original Superman from the Golden Age) died fighting Superboy Prime.
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: Nekov on August 11, 2011, 08:05:25 PM
Wow wow wow. I read that comic and I know how it ends, but I thought that he just supposedly died, but then came back during The Reign of the Supermen (That might not be the name in english). Did I miss something in between?
Title: Re: Goku Vs. Superman; Choose the Victor!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 12, 2011, 04:42:41 AM
Wow wow wow. I read that comic and I know how it ends, but I thought that he just supposedly died, but then came back during The Reign of the Supermen (That might not be the name in english). Did I miss something in between?
I guess that you missed that he actually died.