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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: wolfking on July 26, 2011, 06:16:22 AM
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=161132
Drummer Mike Portnoy (DREAM THEATER, AVENGED SEVENFOLD, ADRENALINE MOB) has joined forces with guitarist/vocalist John Sykes (WHITESNAKE, BLUE MURDER, THIN LIZZY) and an as-yet-undisclosed bassist in a brand new power trio. The project is currently recording material at a Los Angeles studio, with Portnoy describing one song as "copping the [LED] ZEPPELIN/SABBATH vibe" and another as "[PINK] FLOYD meets [DEEP] PURPLE!!! Some serious old-school classic rock."
This could be interesting. John Sykes is amazing. Loved his worked with the Snake and especially loved him in Blue Murder, what a terrific band. Absolute killer guitarist.
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Sounds awesome! Sabbath, Zep, Purple, Floyd? Count me in! :D
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This is going to be something awesome, I just know it. Sykes is fantastic.
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This is going to be something awesome, I just know it. Sykes is fantastic.
Yep. Such an amazing guitarist.
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I wonder who the bassist is :)
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Wow, there's a combo that I didn't see coming. I'm not too familiar with Sykes, except the album he recorded with Thin Lizzy. And I also had a chance to see Thin Lizzy with him at helm live, it was really cool, great guitarist.
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Wow, there's a combo that I didn't see coming. I'm not too familiar with Sykes, except the album he recorded with Thin Lizzy. And I also had a chance to see Thin Lizzy with him at helm live, it was really cool, great guitarist.
Check out Blue Murder, amazing late 80's rock band.
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Also, probably his best known work is Whitesnake's 1987 self-titled album (Here I Go Again, Still of the Night, Is This Love, etc.).
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Perhaps it's Billy Sheehan. I know he's out there doing some of Eddie Trunk's TMS episodes right now. Hopefully, it's not Tony Franklin. Because, if Sykes were to play with Franklin again, I'd like Appice to be the drummer... in a Blue Murder reunion.
This is such good news. Sykes is amazing!
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Sounds cool, I'll be more interested when I get to hear some samples.
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Also, probably his best known work is Whitesnake's 1987 self-titled album (Here I Go Again, Still of the Night, Is This Love, etc.).
The guitar work on that album is amazing, don't forget Looking For Love, what a song!!
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Also, I must add Thunder and Lightning by Thin Lizzy, killer stuff.
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Also, I must add Thunder and Lightning by Thin Lizzy, killer stuff.
A TAC Top 25!
Now this is an MP project that I am definitely interested in.
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Also, I must add Thunder and Lightning by Thin Lizzy, killer stuff.
A TAC Top 25!
Now this is an MP project that I am definitely interested in.
Yep, probably Lizzy's best IMO, along with Black Rose.
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Perhaps it's Billy Sheehan.
Portnoy-Sykes-Sheehan
I would lose my freakin' mind. That would just be the icing on top of an already ridiculous cake. Though Billy's current touring quite a bit with the reunited Mr. Big, so it seems highly unlikely.
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Perhaps it's Billy Sheehan.
Portnoy-Sykes-Sheehan
I would lose my freakin' mind. That would just be the icing on top of an already ridiculous cake.
This. But even if it's not him, it's got to be a complete monster on bass.
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Dug Pinnick would be another awesome choice - and he's also going to be on TMS this season.
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Dug Pinnick would be another awesome choice - and he's also going to be on TMS this season.
Not Pinnick. MP already said not him:
John & I have been working with a bass player as well (no, not Dug Pinnick) and the announcement of who it is will be made at a later point...let's just say it is a completely ridiculous modern-day power trio!!!
Not sure why they are waiting to announce. Sheehan would be insane, he can sing well, Portnoy can hold his own vocally. Wow, that would be a killer line up.
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I missed that part. Damn. Well, either way, I can't wait to findout.
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John Sykes is a badass. Always loved this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7YWRxAUtDk
Personally, I'd vote for the great Bob Daisly. Great player and he'd fit that vibe perfectly.
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This is fantastic news!! Sykes is a great player and a super guy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCkoHBJbJeI
Big big Sykes fan excited about this project
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Oh God it's a fogey Mangini fest in here!
(https://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/old%20man%20teeth01.jpg)
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:rollin
Seriously though, if you haven't heard any of them, go get ANY of the above mentioned Sykes albums. All of this excitement will make a lot more sense.
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The guy can somehow bend an E string into the next zip code and back without breaking it (and usually does, about 50-60 times per song). :tup
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. If it's a trio, and 2/3rds of it are Portnoy and Skyes, the bass player must also be the vocalist, right? Oh please god, let the bass player be the vocalist. Otherwise, I fear the worst... :(
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guitarist/vocalist Sykes I think.
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Sykes is a good vocalist from what I've heard. Haven't heard anything from the last 20 years of him though :lol
I've got to be honest. This is the first of MP's post-DT projects that has interested me at all. Regardless of who the bassist is, this could be pretty awesome.
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Yeah, from what I recall, Sykes was a decent singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfsZ4EzSn80
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Glenn Hugues as the bassist? Awesome singer as well!
B.Lee
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MP suggested the following vid to get a good idea of why Sykes is so awesome. I hadn't seen this video before, but HOLY SHIT that guitar solo fucking rips. Coverdale clearly can't hear himself well, as he's kinda flat throughout. Guitar solo starts at 3:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuZ0vIVI19w
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Sykes with Phil and Lizzy
amazing solo..keep watching..
I was always sad that Phil knew he was sick and told Sykes to go to Whitesnake and John wanted to stay with Phil to the end.. heart breaking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7YWRxAUtDk
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Sykes is an excellent singer.
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Sykes is an excellent singer.
I agree. This is the first post DT project that I'm interested in. Sykes is a talent. This should be good. My money is on Marco Mendoza on bass. I think Sykes and he may have played together in Lizzy in recent years.
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Hmm...Marco is definitely an option.
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Yeah, from what I recall, Sykes was a decent singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfsZ4EzSn80
A live performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npoUI1obH_M
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John Sykes?!?! I'm all in.
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Yeah, from what I recall, Sykes was a decent singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfsZ4EzSn80
A live performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npoUI1obH_M
Good video. I saw Sykes during one of his stints with Lizzy a few years back, and he sounded real good.
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The only concerting part on my side is that all the videos in this thread are from the 80s. I'm listening to some of his recent stuff on Youtube (Nuclear Cowboy) which is okish, but a bit anachronistic (i.e. it sounds like 80s metal recorded with modern recording techniques).
rumborak
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it sounds like 80s metal recorded with modern recording techniques
You say this like it's a bad thing.
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Well, to me it is :lol
I like 80s metal, but it was kinda exhausted in the 80s. I'm always of the opinion that new music should bring something new to the table, not just a rehash of something existing.
rumborak
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Understandable. Obviously, I'm fine with rehash. :lol
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Understandable. Obviously, I'm fine with rehash. :lol
Yeah, me too.
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Reminder - the episode of "That Metal Show" with MP and John Sykes is this Saturday, October 8th.
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Portnoy can hold his own vocally.
wait wut
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Reminder - the episode of "That Metal Show" with MP and John Sykes is this Saturday, October 8th.
Should be interesting with what they have to say.
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Just watched the video of Blue Murder - Valley Of The Kings and good grief, everything about the bass player's look is wrong! Big haired mullet, shirt off and baggy pants. He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen :facepalm:
1987 was a fantastic album. Haven't heard anything from John Sykes since (aside from the aforementioned video just now) so no idea what to expect from this project.
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He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen.
There will never be any acceptable excuse for grunge happening.
Also, wardrobe aside, Tony Franklin is a pretty accomplished bass player. He's played on a zillion albums and is well known for his use of fretless bass in hard rock. What did you think of the song itself?
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He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen.
There will never be any acceptable excuse for grunge happening.
+1
Keep fighting the good fight. :hat
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Indeed. :tup
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Who cares what a person looks like as long as he or she plays their ass off. If that's the case, nobody would listen to Rush because off Geddy Lee.
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He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen.
There will never be any acceptable excuse for grunge happening.
On that we'll have to disagree :) Grunge needed to happen to 80s hair metal in the same way that punk needed to happen to 70s prog. Both generational backlashes cut deeper and for longer than one feels was entirely necessary, but both came along at a time when their predecessor had passed the point of being a parody of itself.
Also, wardrobe aside, Tony Franklin is a pretty accomplished bass player. He's played on a zillion albums and is well known for his use of fretless bass in hard rock. What did you think of the song itself?
Good enough to warrant further investigation of Blue Murder :) Sykes is/was a better singer than I was expecting, too.
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His guitar playing is SOOO much of what makes Whitesnake's s/t album so freakin' good. And I agree, he is a surprisingly good singer. The first Blue Murder album is excellent. The second one isn't as good, but still worth a listen. Here's another one of their big ones from the first album, Jelly Roll (what the title has to do with the song, I have no idea). It'd be easy to dismiss the song if you thought the whole thing was just like the beginning, but give it a chance to the end. Also, dismiss the obvious visual cheesiness. :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmxK9CS3RV0
Also, BVD, did you notice that "Black Hearted Woman" form the first BM album sounds like it could've been lifted right out of the Whitesnake '87 recording sessions?
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Just watched the video of Blue Murder - Valley Of The Kings and good grief, everything about the bass player's look is wrong! Big haired mullet, shirt off and baggy pants. He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen :facepalm:
One of the best bass players out there, and you focus on his fashion sense?
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Also, BVD, did you notice that "Black Hearted Woman" form the first BM album sounds like it could've been lifted right out of the Whitesnake '87 recording sessions?
I actually haven't listened to the album that many times, but since you pointed it out, it does. Heck, even from the first slide I expect it to kick into Bad Boys or Children of the Night. In fact, the song just basically sounds like a cross of those two. :lol
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^Agreed. But pretty much anything on that album could have been on 1987 and vice versa (and I mean that as a compliment to both albums/bands).
Have you heard his live renditions of Still Of The Night? Far better than Coverdale live, IMO. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uzjvsq5Nk (in terms of vocals, the version on Screaming Blue Murder Live is amazing, if you can even find that album nowadays)
Oh, and @Rumby: Nuclear Cowboy is by far the worst thing he has ever done. One of only two albums I have immediately returned to the record store after one listen.
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Have you heard his live renditions of Still Of The Night? Far better than Coverdale live, IMO. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uzjvsq5Nk (in terms of vocals, the version on Screaming Blue Murder Live is amazing, if you can even find that album nowadays)
He was really good there, although because he's focusing harder on hitting the notes, to me he doesn't have anywhere near the style of Coverdale which I love.
I just checked out a more recent live recording of Bad Boys from 2004 though, and he sounded even better, so I'm more excited to hear this project now.
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Agree on the equal quality of the two albums, and Sykes is probably the biggest reason why 1987 is so damn good. His work on Looking For Love just floors me everytime.
Just watched the video of Blue Murder - Valley Of The Kings and good grief, everything about the bass player's look is wrong! Big haired mullet, shirt off and baggy pants. He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen :facepalm:
What the hell? Why would you insult one of the best bass players in the world, you do realise what year that video was made? His look is nothing out of the ordinary.
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Here's the version of Still of the Night that's apparently from "Screaming Blue Murder".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEZuwzVhOQw
One thing I noticed listening to both of them, the guitars are tuned down. Granted it's only a half step down, but still. So that certainly helps. None of this takes away from his vocals though, as he's still an excellent singer.
I can't say enough how excited I am about this. There hasn't been a whole lot to come out in recent years to REALLY get me at all excited, like this does. As noted, I totally dig Sykes' guitar playing and his voice. It really goes without saying that MP is gonna add so much to this. He has always been one of my favorite drummers. I've always said he's right up there on nearly level ground with Neil Peart, IMO. Despite the fact that I am a total guitarhead now and haven't been into drums in probably 20 years, every time we've seen DT, we couldn't stop watching him the whole night. Always doing something cool, always entertaining. Hell yeah. So now we just have to wait to see who the bassist will be.
Also, if nobody saw them, Eddie Trunk has posted a few tweets about the demos he's heard from this and he's indicated that they're fantastic. :caffeine:
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...to me he doesn't have anywhere near the style of Coverdale which I love.
True, but Coverdale can't seem to sing on key in a live environment.
Saw that 2004 video as well (I'm assuming you mean this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6aEFz09rxQ)). Good stuff. Would be cool to see that entire performance in high quality.
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...to me he doesn't have anywhere near the style of Coverdale which I love.
True, but Coverdale can't seem to sing on key in a live environment.
Saw that 2004 video as well (I'm assuming you mean this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6aEFz09rxQ)). Good stuff. Would be cool to see that entire performance in high quality.
Yeah, Coverdale has consistency problems now, as is expected from a guy that is 60 years old. Sykes is almost a decade younger, which certainly helps, and he probably hasn't pushed his voice as hard over the years as Coverdale did in the late 80s and early 90s (he even had to have some vocal surgery before recording '87). On record, Coverdale is still really good for his age though (including the recent-ish live album, which is no doubt touched up).
But yeah, that was the clip I was talking about. Didn't find much else in my search unfortunately. Definitely enough for me to be confident in Sykes' vocal abilities though.
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Coverdale has always been amazing in studio. But live stuff from him going back into at least the early '90s has been really off. I just don't enjoy listening to his live performances.
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...to me he doesn't have anywhere near the style of Coverdale which I love.
True, but Coverdale can't seem to sing on key in a live environment.
Saw that 2004 video as well (I'm assuming you mean this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6aEFz09rxQ)). Good stuff. Would be cool to see that entire performance in high quality.
Yeah, Coverdale has consistency problems now, as is expected from a guy that is 60 years old. Sykes is almost a decade younger, which certainly helps, and he probably hasn't pushed his voice as hard over the years as Coverdale did in the late 80s and early 90s (he even had to have some vocal surgery before recording '87). On record, Coverdale is still really good for his age though (including the recent-ish live album, which is no doubt touched up).
But yeah, that was the clip I was talking about. Didn't find much else in my search unfortunately. Definitely enough for me to be confident in Sykes' vocal abilities though.
Check out Sykes..when he filled in for Lynott in Thin Lizzy ..its scarry how much he sounded like Phil
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Coverdale has always been amazing in studio. But live stuff from him going back into at least the early '90s has been really off. I just don't enjoy listening to his live performances.
Same, even in the Donigton 90 concert that just came out, he sounds absoultely terrible. And live when I saw them 2 years ago, he left most of the singing up to the auidence and Reb, and when he did sing, it was pretty rough.
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From Eddie Trunk's twitter, yesterday:
Taking a walk on a beautiful day here in downtown OKC. Listening to the new Sykes/Portnoy demos. Man I can not wait to play this stuff 4 you.
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Nice! but if they're at the demo stage, we'll still have to wait for a while, right?
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I'd imagine. Nearly every day now, Trunk's tweeting about it. Today:
I wish I could play you the demos I have of what Sykes/Portnoy are up to. So killer! Where Blue Murder left off. Hopefully soon!!
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He's basically a walking advertisement for the reason why grunge needed to happen.
There will never be any acceptable excuse for grunge happening.
+1
Keep fighting the good fight. :hat
The original post was funny, but Cosmo's reply was even more hilarious :lol
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Melodicrock.com's twitter:
MelodicRock Andrew McNeice
Why am I not surprised? John Sykes has pulled out of the Sykes/Portnoy project. Another guitarist will jump in. Stay tuned.
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Oh Christ!? :facepalm: :rollin
MP isn't having much luck. How can it be where Blue Murder left off now. :lol
My interest in this now = 0.
I like Andrew too, he runs a good, informative site.
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Fuck.
My interest in this now = 0.
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Taking a walk on a beautiful day here in downtown OKC. Listening to Mike Portnoy's ipod touch voice memos of him hitting guitars with sticks randomly whilst shouting ass and balls ! Man I can not wait to play this stuff 4 you.
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So, how long until blabbermouth reports this and Portnoy then blames them for making a big deal out of it? :lol
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So, how long until blabbermouth reports this and Portnoy then blames them for making a big deal out of it? :lol
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Wow.
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Fuck.
My interest in this now = 0.
:hat
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Can't say I'm even remotely surprised by this.
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Not a big deal. Sykes was never part of the core anyway.
Seriously though, man, he's really not having a lot of luck.
rumborak
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Seriously though, man, he's really not having a lot of luck.
Yeah, I feel kinda bad for the guy.
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Not a big deal. Sykes was never part of the core anyway.
Seriously though, man, he's really not having a lot of luck.
rumborak
Flying Colors is still going fine at the moment isn't it? Anyone taking bets on that one?
I'm disappointed about this. This was the only one of Portnoy's projects I was interested in. I'm not a prog fan, and not so interested in the straight up metal either.
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Not a big deal. Sykes was never part of the core anyway.
Seriously though, man, he's really not having a lot of luck.
rumborak
Flying Colors is still going fine at the moment isn't it? Anyone taking bets on that one?
That one will probably go through, yeah. But at this point it's essentially down to one project with momentum, since AM's album release I personally just can't see generating that much interest.
rumborak
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https://eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/433081/pid/401816
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I take everything Eddie says with a grain of salt, but what he is saying there makes perfect sense.
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Fuck.
My interest in this now = 0.
:hat
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I take everything Eddie says with a grain of salt, but what he is saying there makes perfect sense.
Yeah. So it was a bit more than just "Sykes leaves MP." :P
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I think Mike should call MTV and get a mega-deal for a reality show. This is better than Jersey Shore...
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I take everything Eddie says with a grain of salt, but what he is saying there makes perfect sense.
It does indeed, all of it seems in character of what one knows about MP ("everything needs to be done yesterday") and Sykes ("everything takes ages"). I'm assuming he wanted to go about it the way he's been doing it the last few years, go into the studio and bang stuff out.
rumborak
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When was the last time Sykes released anything?
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I think Mike should call MTV and get a mega-deal for a reality show. This is better than Jersey Shore...
I would definitely watch this.
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Oh well, this is a shame. Mike seemed genuinely excited to have this go somewhere, even recently (when he spoke at one of his gigs with Sherinian). This must have happened in the last couple days. Perhaps Sykes can shelve the material and they can come back to it when their timetables line up again? I suppose we can file this one under "The Things That May Never Be", like Portnoy/Morse/Matheos...
-Marc.
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That really sucks. This was certainly the project I was most interested in.
edit: just saw this:
In case you can’t take Trunk’s word on it, Portnoy himself confirmed the news via Twitter saying “Sad but true…I tried my best to make it work…me & the bass player couldn’t wait around any longer…” In a separate tweet, Portnoy also confirmed that the mystery bassist was Mr. Big’s Billy Sheehan and the two are already working with another singer and guitarist.
Sheehan with Sykes really would have been fantastic. Sorry to see it come down to that.
My question is: why couldn't they wait around any longer? WTF? Sounds to me like the problem was MP's, and that's not a real encouraging sign, at all.
Musically, this started out with Sykes and Portnoy acting as if they had some musical chemistry, and what sounded like a killer project grew from that. Aside from the fact that I really like John Sykes as a musician, I can't say that I'm particularly interested in hearing a project that comes about by way of "John Sykes' replacement." Just doesn't seem like it'd be the same.
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Okay...so let's get this straight.
Mike was working with John Sykes and brought in Billy Sheehan. Everyone thought it was all golden.
John Sykes backs out, but Mike continues to work with Billy on some new music with a new guitarist and a vocalist.
On a side-venture, Mike and Billy team up with their friends Derek and Tony for a couple shows in January, performing instrumental music.
Mike just really needs to put the TWO projects together and do something with Sheehan/Sherinian/MacAlpine and this unknown vocalist. Or kick out MacAlpine and bring in the mystery guitarist as well. Either way, anything with Portnoy/Sheehan/Sherinian is bound to be GOLD.
-Marc.
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edit: just saw this:
In case you can’t take Trunk’s word on it, Portnoy himself confirmed the news via Twitter saying “Sad but true…I tried my best to make it work…me & the bass player couldn’t wait around any longer…” In a separate tweet, Portnoy also confirmed that the mystery bassist was Mr. Big’s Billy Sheehan and the two are already working with another singer and guitarist.
My question is: why couldn't they wait around any longer? WTF? Sounds to me like the problem was MP's, and that's not a real encouraging sign, at all.
I have to agree. I may be "old school", but back then musicians would meet when they had something solid to record.
My theory is that MP plain tried to force the thing into his usual schedule. Meet for a few days in the studio, and put on tape whatever cones up. Sykes is more of the classical mindset of recording songs that have evolved.
rumborak
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edit: just saw this:
In case you can’t take Trunk’s word on it, Portnoy himself confirmed the news via Twitter saying “Sad but true…I tried my best to make it work…me & the bass player couldn’t wait around any longer…” In a separate tweet, Portnoy also confirmed that the mystery bassist was Mr. Big’s Billy Sheehan and the two are already working with another singer and guitarist.
My question is: why couldn't they wait around any longer? WTF? Sounds to me like the problem was MP's, and that's not a real encouraging sign, at all.
I have to agree. I may be "old school", but back then musicians would meet when they had something solid to record.
My theory is that MP plain tried to force the thing into his usual schedule. Meet for a few days in the studio, and put on tape whatever cones up. Sykes is more of the classical mindset of recording songs that have evolved.
rumborak
Agreed - it seems like the idea looked good on paper, but their personalities may have been polar opposites. MP is always on the move, and every month he's either touring with a band, putting together a cover band, recording in the studio, doing drum clinics, or something else entirely. The man never knows when to stop, except for the obvious holiday-time with family.
I think with 2012 approaching, and not a lot (known) being done with this project, MP and Sykes probably decided it was best to shelve it considering how busy MP plans on being this year (touring with AMob and possibly FC, and recording at Neal Morse's studio next week for a week or so). I'll bet he has his year planned week-by-week up til June.
-Marc.
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I think with 2012 approaching...
-Marc.
And I thought we were almost one whole month into 2012 :angel:
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168739
Looks like it could be Richie Kotzen.
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"I tried my best to make it work…me & the bass player couldn’t wait around any longer…"
"...'cos we don't have the royalties from an 8x-platinum album behind us that set us up for life and need cash sooner rather than later!" :angel:
Seriously, if MP really, really wanted to work with Sykes then he'd work with him and find a way for their schedules to align and he wouldn't be passively blaming him for the project failing - such occasions are what the term "creative differences" was designed for.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sykes engineered his way out of the project using scheduling as his excuse.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=168739
Looks like it could be Richie Kotzen.
Doomed to fail, then. Richie Kotzen is like the finger of death to every band he gets in.
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After 6+ months, I can see not wanting to wait around anymore.
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Seriously, if MP really, really wanted to work with Sykes then he'd work with him and find a way for their schedules to align and he wouldn't be passively blaming him for the project failing - such occasions are what the term "creative differences" was designed for.
Eh, maybe and maybe not. Don't forget, this type of situation isn't really a first for Sykes either. He was replaced in Whitesnake due to "creative differences." Vivian Campbell got the Def Leppard gig over Sykes based on, from what I remember, similar kinds of statements. I like him as a musician, but from what I've heard, he's not necessarily the easiest to work with either.
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Well, according to wiki (and I'd heard this elsewhere, but don't remember where), regarding the recording of the 1987 s/t album:
The next problem the band faced was a sinus infection with which Coverdale was stricken. This put the album's production behind schedule, especially when Coverdale underwent surgery and a six month long rehabilitation program. Sykes grew impatient and suggested bringing in a new vocalist and carrying on without Coverdale, which eventually led to the end of Coverdale's relationship with both John Sykes and producer Mike Stone.
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Interesting that that is the version that ended up on wiki. There are quite a few different versions of why they parted ways as I recall. It would also be somewhat ironic if that were the case.
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I recall reading somewhere that while Coverdale was recovering (recovering Coverdale?) that Sykes was in the studio laying down tracks without DC and that he didn't take too kindly to it.
Also, rumor has it that Robert Plant once referred to David Coverdale as "David Cover Version".
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Isn't it amazing how every time a project with Portnoy falls apart or goes awry, he is always quick to blame someone else?
"I tried my best to make it work...."
Of course. I would expect nothing less from him at this point. :lol :lol :lol
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I understand MP's point of view. When you're a working musician, things either have to happen or not. Time is money. If Sykes isn't in, they need to know so they can figure out what else to do.
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Isn't it amazing how every time a project with Portnoy falls apart or goes awry, he is always quick to blame someone else?
"I tried my best to make it work...."
Of course. I would expect nothing less from him at this point. :lol :lol :lol
That's not blaming anyone. It's just saying he tried to make it work. I don't see either party is to blame at all. It was just a difference that they couldn't sort out.
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I think with 2012 approaching...
-Marc.
And I thought we were almost one whole month into 2012 :angel:
I mean that at the end of last year, MP was approaching 2012 is all his plans in mind, and probably felt that this project wasn't fitting in, and Sykes probably felt the same way. I suppose they just didn't have time for each other.
-Marc.
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I understand MP's point of view. When you're a working musician, things either have to happen or not. Time is money. If Sykes isn't in, they need to know so they can figure out what else to do.
This, from what's been brought up, it seems like Sykes can be a dud to work with.
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Disappointed to see Sykes drop out, mostly because I like his work and would like to hear more of it. What I was looking forward to was seeing what Portnoy was going to play, because Sykes tends to write music that works better with a hard hitting drummer working grooves-which is why Carmine Appice was PERFECT for Blue Murder-and I'd be interested in hearing MP play that way.
I also have to admit that I'd like to see MP occasionally exercise some patience. Unless it was creative and/or personal differences that killed this, if it WAS an issue of timing, it wouldn't have hurt for MP to say "okay, we'll try this again when our schedules mesh." Not "oh, you can't do it now, okay, we'll just replace you and bang these songs out in five minutes!" MP seems to have gotten overly fond of the "write everything in the studio in a week" method, and I think it doesn't always work for every musician. There's some speculation there, I know, but it'd be nice to see MP do something where the music got a chance to breathe before being tracked.
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I don't see a good songwriter in this new lineup. Not sure what can come out of this now.
BTW, loved the Blabbermouth comment "never seen anybody do so little with so many musicians". :lol
rumborak
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Disappointed to see Sykes drop out, mostly because I like his work and would like to hear more of it. What I was looking forward to was seeing what Portnoy was going to play, because Sykes tends to write music that works better with a hard hitting drummer working grooves-which is why Carmine Appice was PERFECT for Blue Murder-and I'd be interested in hearing MP play that way.
I also have to admit that I'd like to see MP occasionally exercise some patience. Unless it was creative and/or personal differences that killed this, if it WAS an issue of timing, it wouldn't have hurt for MP to say "okay, we'll try this again when our schedules mesh." Not "oh, you can't do it now, okay, we'll just replace you and bang these songs out in five minutes!" MP seems to have gotten overly fond of the "write everything in the studio in a week" method, and I think it doesn't always work for every musician. There's some speculation there, I know, but it'd be nice to see MP do something where the music got a chance to breathe before being tracked.
So very this.
I was looking forward to this more than any of the other MP projects. Oh well.
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Yeah, I was pumped for this too. It's too bad that they couldn't shelf it for awhile and just go with the flow, like others have mentioned.
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Yeah, maybe it could be our most anticipated release of 2017.
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This should be a lesson: don't hype a project up, or even talk about it being something that is gonna happen, until you are 100% that it is a go. It is like a woman who tells everyone she is pregnant the days she finds out, but then miscarries a week later, and then has to tell everyone that she isn't pregnant anymore. Best to make sure that all is well before opening your yap and telling the world. So says I, anyway. :biggrin:
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This should be a lesson: don't hype a project up, or even talk about it being something that is gonna happen, until you are 100% that it is a go. It is like a woman who tells everyone she is pregnant the days she finds out, but then miscarries a week later, and then has to tell everyone that she isn't pregnant anymore. Best to make sure that all is well before opening your yap and telling the world. So says I, anyway. :biggrin:
Ah, yes.
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Trunk Tweets:
I can confirm for those asking that @MikePortnoy & @BillyonBass are working w/ @Richie_Kotzen Nothing imminent, just doing some stuff 4 now
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So according to R Kotzen's facebook page its a no go . Stink.
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I wanted to address the recent rumor about the project with Billy, Mike, and I... Although we did throw some ideas around neither of us decided to make any public announcements so today's internet buzz was a surprise. I will say I am a fan of both Mike and Billy. I'm sure a collaboration would produce some interesting results.
Not necessarily a no-go. Just not currently official.
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I wanted to address the recent rumor about the project with Billy, Mike, and I... Although we did throw some ideas around neither of us decided to make any public announcements so today's internet buzz was a surprise. I will say I am a fan of both Mike and Billy. I'm sure a collaboration would produce some interesting results.
Not necessarily a no-go. Just not currently official.
So he's pretty much assuring us that we shouldn't expect anything, just in case it doesn't happen in the coming months.
-Marc.
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Aaaaand ... another one out. Could it get any more soap opera than this?
rumborak
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It just sounds like someone let the cat out of the bag before they'd really had a chance to organize anything official to the point where they could say it's definitely happening. Given the "buzz" he may actually be more likely to go ahead with it now. Or maybe not. Clearly too early to tell. I mean, how can he be out when he isn't even in yet? (ignore how bad that sentence sounds out of context)
Some people have too much of a dramalust. Is that a word? If not, I'm officially coining it.
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It just sounds like someone let the cat out of the bag before they'd really had a chance to organize anything official to the point where they could say it's definitely happening. Given the "buzz" he may actually be more likely to go ahead with it now. Or maybe not. Clearly too early to tell. I mean, how can he be out when he isn't even in yet? (ignore how bad that sentence sounds out of context)
That is true, but from the PR perspective this is another letdown. Within a month Ward, DiLeo, Sykes and Kotzen have been discussed and subsequently dropped.
rumborak
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It just sounds like someone let the cat out of the bag before they'd really had a chance to organize anything official to the point where they could say it's definitely happening. Given the "buzz" he may actually be more likely to go ahead with it now. Or maybe not. Clearly too early to tell. I mean, how can he be out when he isn't even in yet? (ignore how bad that sentence sounds out of context)
That is true, but from the PR perspective this is another letdown. Within a month Ward, DiLeo, Sykes and Kotzen have been discussed and subsequently dropped.
rumborak
Speaking from a PR perspective, yes. But that's not really MP/Kotzen's fault.
And I still don't see this as dropped yet. Right now I could his participation going either way, although to be honest I'm not really familiar with Kotzen at all, so that's based on his one message.
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It just sounds like someone let the cat out of the bag before they'd really had a chance to organize anything official to the point where they could say it's definitely happening. Given the "buzz" he may actually be more likely to go ahead with it now. Or maybe not. Clearly too early to tell. I mean, how can he be out when he isn't even in yet? (ignore how bad that sentence sounds out of context)
That is true, but from the PR perspective this is another letdown. Within a month Ward, DiLeo, Sykes and Kotzen have been discussed and subsequently dropped.
rumborak
Speaking from a PR perspective, yes. But that's not really MP/Kotzen's fault.
And I still don't see this as dropped yet. Right now I could his participation going either way, although to be honest I'm not really familiar with Kotzen at all, so that's based on his one message.
Stop looking for anything other than the worst possible scenario. :p
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Why does Trunk insist on letting everyone know what MP is up to all the time? I know he's in love with him, but it's like he's his official PA or publicist or something.
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Not a huge Kotzen fan. His album with Poison was good but not a fan of his solo stuff or his voice, and not a replacement for Sykes.
I'd like to do an MP and let everyone know I'm going to date Kim Kardashian this weekend. She just doesn't know yet.
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Why does Trunk insist on letting everyone know what MP is up to all the time? I know he's in love with him, but it's like he's his official PA or publicist or something.
I thoroughly agree.
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Why does Trunk insist on letting everyone know what MP is up to all the time? I know he's in love with him, but it's like he's his official PA or publicist or something.
I thoroughly agree.
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Why does Trunk insist on letting everyone know what MP is up to all the time? I know he's in love with him, but it's like he's his official PA or publicist or something.
I thoroughly agree.
As much as I hate quote pyramiding, this.
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Maybe it's time to change the thread title, no?
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Maybe it's time to change the thread title, no?
I concur.
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MP and John...PSYCH!
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Maybe it's time to change the thread title, no?
I concur.
No worries, done.
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MP and John...PSYCH!
:lol
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Thats a shame, was getting real interested if Kotzen would of got on board - he's one of the few "technical" guitarists that can really sing, has a fantastic soulful voice.
Oh well he could always give Nuno Bettencourt a call !
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Considering all the new info about this project, I am astounded I have to dig all the way back to page 12 to bump this thread.
Anyway, I think the new stuff with Richie Kotzen sounds very promising. I was not thrilled at all about John Sykes, and looking at Mike's latest post, it looks the it really was just going to be another Sykes solo record anyway:
The biggest difference is: the stuff with Kotzen is a three-way collaboration with me, Richie & Billy writing, arranging and playing everything together as a band.
With Sykes, it was all HIS material and it never got to the "collaborative" stage (and I'm not sure if it ever would've seeing the way he worked)...in fact, he refused to pick up a guitar and play with me & Billy in the same room...me & Billy basically tracked to his existing scratch guitar and vocals...
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2780180&mpage=2#2784744
But I will keeping my eyes on this.
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Will definitely be keeping my eye on this.
Always loved Kotzen's playing - very blues funk but can also shred with the best of them - & for me has one of the best vocals for someone who is more renowned for his guitar playing abilities.
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That's an interesting parallel between Sykes and Kotzen, actually. Both are VERY good vocalists that could easily have been successful, non-guitar playing lead singers of bands. But they are not widely renowned as talented vocalists because their guitar playing overshadows their singing ability considerably.
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Yeah, I love Richie Kotzen...great singer.
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and I'm not sure if it ever would've seeing the way he worked)...in fact, he refused to pick up a guitar and play with me & Billy in the same room...me & Billy basically tracked to his existing scratch guitar and vocals... [..] the work ethics are just world's apart...
Man. I hate to beat that dead horse, but can he not write a single post without dissing a former band member? It's the same thing he did with the two AM guys who left.
Regarding the project, I'll have to hear something first. I listened to some solo Kotzen stuff but wasn't wowed (never been a big blues fan), and I know some Sheehan stuff from years back and wasn't all too taken in by it. I love Mr. Big, but I think there's a lot of Gilbert in it.
rumborak
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I hear you. But that's actually a pretty common criticism with Sykes, so I don't really fault him for explaining that as the reason things didn't work out. I thought the tone of those posts was actually pretty fair, to be honest.
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I actually don't care if it's Sykes or Kotzen. The fact that it's the project of MP, Kotzen, and Sheenan jamming means way more to me than "Oh, this is a John Sykes solo record, with some big names as hired guns."
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and I'm not sure if it ever would've seeing the way he worked)...in fact, he refused to pick up a guitar and play with me & Billy in the same room...me & Billy basically tracked to his existing scratch guitar and vocals... [..] the work ethics are just world's apart...
Man. I hate to beat that dead horse, but can he not write a single post without dissing a former band member? It's the same thing he did with the two AM guys who left.
rumborak
i often wonder if rumby can write a single post without dissing portnoy.
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Probably not :lol
But, my dissing will probably subside when his diss/week ratio drops below 1.0. This week he's dissed Sykes and Sorum.
rumborak
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and I'm not sure if it ever would've seeing the way he worked)...in fact, he refused to pick up a guitar and play with me & Billy in the same room...me & Billy basically tracked to his existing scratch guitar and vocals... [..] the work ethics are just world's apart...
Man. I hate to beat that dead horse, but can he not write a single post without dissing a former band member? It's the same thing he did with the two AM guys who left.
rumborak
i often wonder if rumby can write a single post without dissing portnoy.
THANK YOU!!!!! :hefdaddy
Why the need for such negativity???
I have never dissed John Sykes...we got along fabulously...bummed it never took off...
My post was simply explaining the differences between the projects and creative environments.
These sessions I am doing with Billy & Richie are VERY exciting....
(Here's my studio diary: https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2780180.aspx)
There's no need to put a negative slant on this (or anything else I'm doing)!
Spirits are high and vibes are positive!!!
Lighten up everyone...life is good!
Luv, MP
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This seems to be an interesting project, i'm curious how MP's drums will lock with Sheenan's bass since he has a more "attacking" bass style than the other bass players MP has collaborated with.
I dislike AM, but Flying Colors was very good, and this seems to be something different as well, i hope we can get a song or just samples to get an idea of the style and sound of the band, since i don't really care about the comparisons with existing bands' sounds and "vibes", but it is a very promising project.
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Haha, funny. I haven't looked at this until now. I'm actually quite interest. Portnoys drums + Sheehan's bass seems like it could be something to behold.
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Yeah, Portnoy/Sheenan is what draws me to this, too. Mike with a good bass player (oh hurro Mike!) is usually awesome, and I always felt like Mike locking in with JP (rather than JM) on DT records was lost potential, considering Transatlantic might be the best rhythm section in modern prog.
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I was just listening to the All Along The Watchtower cover and noticed that Kotzen plays without pick. Does he always, or just for that one song?
rumborak
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Hi Mike ;D
Excited for this, billy Sheehan is one of my favorite bassists. I don't know Ritchie kotzen, but considering he had to fill Gilbert's shoes he must be pretty good.
Best of luck to them!
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I've been following the tour diary, and I have to say, I'm pretty excited about hearing this material. From everything I'm hearing, I think this should be a fun album that I will probably dig.
I posted on MP.com, but I don't see my post. Not sure if I made a posting error, or if my post was deleted. Hopefully not the latter. Given my rather outspoken MP support in the past, It'd be a shame if I were now secretly blacklisted for speaking my mind when I disagree on a few things and for letting others on this site do the same (provided, as always, that it remains constructive). Hopefully, it was just a posting glitch, and I didn't catch it and repost before closing the browser. Happens sometimes. Anyhow, the gist of my post was: Unfortunately, I'm guilty of being one of those who never really took the time to get to know Ritchie's work outside of what he did with Poison and Mr. Big, so I unfairly just lumped him in with that genre of music. I've only recently started really digging into how talented he is. Really looking forward to hearing how he, Billie, and Mike mesh.
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Richie had a rather thankless job filling in Paul Gilbert's shoes. I mean, let's face it, Mr. Big without Paul was like DT without JP.
I definitely have to say, Richie has an awesome voice. Maybe sometimes a bit too close to Chris Cornell for comfort, but he for sure has gifted pipes. Too bad his music doesn't much overlap with my interests, I would probably suck up his output wholesale if he did less bluesy stuff.
rumborak
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Just read MP's update describing the difference between the Sykes and Kotzen projects. Would still prefer the Sykes project. Whitesnake/Blue Murder wins over funk/blues everytime chez Lowdz. Kotzen's solo stuff just doesn't do anything for me. Didn't even like his shred stuff back in the day and I loved the Mike Varney acts.
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I'm looking forward to this although I'm not much of a fan of Sykes/Kotzen's work.
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Love Kotzen, he's got a great bluesy-funky vibe, and he's a great vocalist. So I'm really looking forward to this now.
Btw, I bet Steve Stevens would love a new project, Mike should hook up with him.
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maybe re-title this thread "The Winery Dogs"
debut album in May.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2829214.aspx
https://www.bravewords.com/news/201030
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Sweet, an extra album and concert to the list!
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WTF happened to MP in that picture?!!
Regarding the album, has there been any leaks regarding style of music?
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Hopefully not something like AM.
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somehow, I doubt it'll be much if anything like A-Mob.
The style of The Winery Dogs is supposedly highly influenced by 70's Classic/Hard Rock ala Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Cream, Rainbow, etc.
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Couldn't find a Winery Dogs thread so here's a link to The Winery Dogs newest single and music video: Elevate (https://goo.gl/iwcDW)
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Couldn't find a Winery Dogs thread so here's a link to The Winery Dogs newest single and music video: Elevate (https://goo.gl/iwcDW)
Terrible video, but I don't mind the song at all. Nothing ground-breaking or mind-blowing, but I like it. This album might actually end up being decent.
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I liked that. As Bolsters said, nothing ground-breaking, but after hearing that, I'm interested in getting the album. A good rock style without trying to be too heavy, with a dose of technicality that doesn't detract from the songwriting. This would be the first post-DT MP project I've been interested in.
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I liked that. As Bolsters said, nothing ground-breaking, but after hearing that, I'm interested in getting the album. A good rock style without trying to be too heavy, with a dose of technicality that doesn't detract from the songwriting. This would be the first post-DT MP project I've been interested in.
:tup
Couldn't have said it better.
I was more interested in the original project with Sykes but this sounds good.
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Couldn't find a Winery Dogs thread so here's a link to The Winery Dogs newest single and music video: Elevate (https://goo.gl/iwcDW)
I thought this was absolutely awesome. Solid, melodic rock with great musicianship, and not trying to impress anyone or do anything groundbreaking for the sake of it. This song is what it is. When's the album coming out?
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Special effects in that video looks like DT's LSFNY effects. :lol
But yeah, Blob said everything I wanted to say about the music.
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Just off that one single it's the best sounding thing from post-DT Mike I've heard.
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Wow, that's really awesome. But you know what the project needs? Some Sherinian. Seriously! I'd imagine adding keys in here and you'd be able to do a pretty damn good cover of "Burn".
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Song was great but who else thinks the vox sound a lot like Cornell?
Aside from that I am actually looking forward to this project but still waiting for something more "proggy".
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Loved the song, and I liked the Cornell-esque vocals
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That kicked ass. I absolutely love it. I cannot wait to hear the rest.
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I think he sounds a lot like Sammy Hagar more than anyone else, especially during the verses.
Anyway, not a bad song. It didn't make me wanting more, but I could see checking out the whole CD when it comes out if it is easy to do so. ;)
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Yeah, I can see me giving this a listen on Spotify. I clearly need to look into Kotzen's work though, he's a damn good guitarist.
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ok, that was pretty sweet. Can't wait to hear the rest of what they are cooking up.
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Has Kotzen always played without a pick?
EDIT: I guess not:
https://www.guitarplayer.com/article/jumping-into-the-fire-by-richie-kotzen/148776
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Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised. Easily the best thing that Mike has been part of since leaving DT, in my opinion. Liked the pop-elements mixed with the technical skills in there and the fact it does not feel forced at all. Really nice tune, looking forward to hearing more of it!
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Verses: Poor, Clearly going for a Led Zeppelin 'Black Dog' idea.
Chorus: EPIC!! Great feel to it.
Overall rating 7.5-8 / 10
It just seems like MP is trying to make his life easier with simple projects with nothing challenging him much :\
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OK, so, I’ve gotta ask, what’s up with the name?
Like I said, I enjoy the music, but it feels weird that Mike Portnoy is now drumming in a band with a name that’s basically synonymous with “The Booze Hounds”.
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OK, so, I’ve gotta ask, what’s up with the name?
Like I said, I enjoy the music, but it feels weird that Mike Portnoy is now drumming in a band with a name that’s basically synonymous with “The Booze Hounds”.
:lol :lol :lol
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I think he sounds a lot like Sammy Hagar more than anyone else, especially during the verses.
^ this.
Yeah this was pretty cool. Made the rock kid in me sway a bit. Go Mike!
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I wouldn't listen to a full album of stuff like this, but the song sounds much better than Psychosane :tup
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Holy hell, this is awesome. I am really looking forward to this album.
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Yeah, I can see me giving this a listen on Spotify. I clearly need to look into Kotzen's work though, he's a damn good guitarist.
His more recent output is very much in this vein.
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Not bad.
Song was great but who else thinks the vox sound a lot like Cornell?
First thing I thought of.
-J
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Loving it. Moar please.
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I'm... pleasantly surprised, I must say. This isn't really my style of music, but I liked it a lot. Will be checking out the album when it comes out, though probably through Spotify first.
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I think he sounds a lot like Sammy Hagar more than anyone else, especially during the verses.
Well, yeah, but Sammy and Chris Cornell sound a lot alike, so I'm not sure you are really disagreeing with anyone. :lol
Anyway, as far as the song, I like it.
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The "Black Dog" verses were kinda lame but other than that,it was pretty damn sweet.
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The "Black Dog" verses were kinda lame but other than that,it was pretty damn sweet.
Yeah. Chorus + solos etc. was awesome. Verse, yeah, would have been better to stay away from that (once again) obvious comparison.
Very promising I have to say. Also good to see MP doing the type of drumming he is best at.
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Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised. Easily the best thing that Mike has been part of since leaving DT, in my opinion.
I'm inclined to agree but still incredibly underwhelmed
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To be honest, I wasn't expecting much but this was great. I'm really looking forward to the album.
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I understand the Black Dog comments, but only the idea is a bit similiar, nothing in the music or melodies are similar.
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The Black Dog comparison is really ridiculous.
Also, this song is getting so much love. Judging by MP's twitter, he's also loving one of his projects finally getting so much praise from the general rock/metal community :P
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The Black Dog comparison is really ridiculous.
Also, this song is getting so much love. Judging by MP's twitter, he's also loving one of his projects finally getting so much praise from the general rock/metal community :P
Yeah, I can see the structure similarities, but I didn't think of Black Dog at all the first time I listened to it.
lol @ Portnoy. If the rest of the album is this good, it will be a highlight of the year.
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I think this is Mike's best drumming since DT. Although a case could be made for NM. But I think his best project has been FC. I'm digging this single, looking forward to hear more of this project.
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Really cool tune. Even Dec Burke shared it on FB.
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Just listened to Elevate... not sure how I feel. I do enjoy it but I'm not TO thrilled with the vocals. But then again I'm a picky fuck.
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A bit of a bummer that the verses are rather weak. The chorus has some Mr. Big-ish awesomeness to it though, which could really carry the album if there's more of that.
One thing I wish is that MP moved away from his "signature" drum sound. I really don't like his snare sound, and that's coming from a guy who usually doesn't think about drum sound at all. It's a bit funny considering how MP bitched about the IAW snare sound being so terrible, but his current sound bothers me far more than the IAW sound.
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I also thought the chorus was totally reminiscent of later Mr. Big.
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That was really fun to hear! This is the first project by MP that i will follow with interest! :metal
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That was really fun to hear! This is the first project by MP that i will follow with interest! :metal
This
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That was really fun to hear! This is the first project by MP that i will follow with interest! :metal
This
Transatlantic, Flying Colors?
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That was really fun to hear! This is the first project by MP that i will follow with interest! :metal
This
Transatlantic, Flying Colors?
Should have added new project but....
Transatlantic! :metal
Flying Colors! :tup It's pretty good.
Nothing wrong with those projects at all but this new one suites my taste buds very nicely! :)
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That was really fun to hear! This is the first project by MP that i will follow with interest! :metal
This
Transatlantic, Flying Colors?
Neither are really that good IMO.
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New video online. Great song. looking forward to this. MP's best post DT project so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_SdasimlLQ&feature=youtu.be
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I don't know.. take away Billy's solo, and that is pretty boring radio rock.
Kotzen has a great voice. I'd never heard him before.
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I don't know.. take away Billy's solo, and that is pretty boring radio rock.
Kotzen has a great voice. I'd never heard him before.
You say that like it's a bad thing :biggrin:
Just a very well played, well sung, catchy rock song.
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Not bad; nice to hear MP working simpler grooves rather than hitting every part of the kit as often as possible. And yes, I'm a belated convert to the awesome that is Richie Kotzen. :metal
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I don't know.. take away Billy's solo, and that is pretty boring radio rock.
Kotzen has a great voice. I'd never heard him before.
I really liked the chorus of the first song, but yeah, this one did absolutely nothing for me.
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I really liked that song, maybe slightly more than the first. Getting more interested in this album!
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I still really liked it! Something simple, yet rocking. It's a nice change!
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New video online. Great song. looking forward to this. MP's best post DT project so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_SdasimlLQ&feature=youtu.be
Very cool. Looking forward to this.
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Good stuff!
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It's alright. Nothing too special.
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New video online. Great song. looking forward to this. MP's best post DT project so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_SdasimlLQ&feature=youtu.be
Very cool. Looking forward to this.
Best project MP has been involved in aside from OSI.
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
Is it just cos there's only guitars, bass, drums and vocals? Not much to get in the way.
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
Yeah, definitely.
Oddly, I think power trios are one of the few arrangements where compression actually helps. Kinda fills up all the empty space you normally get with just three players.
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ok, I gotta admit I do dig that second song. This is the first thing MP has done since DT that I have liked.
Not sure if I like it enough to buy it though.
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
Yeah, definitely.
Oddly, I think power trios are one of the few arrangements where compression actually helps. Kinda fills up all the empty space you normally get with just three players.
In general I agree, compression can fill the space successfully. But it has to be done lightly, because you don't want to lose the dynamic that makes power trio so awesome.
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Maybe it's my hearing being bad from working in construction AND playing a lot of loud music for the better part of my life, maybe it's because I've never really invested in an audiophile worthy sound system-right now I play my CDs on a 30 dollar CD player I got at Target-but I never hear all the compression and whatnot people go on about. Is it just me? :lol
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
It is pretty loud, and overcompresses a bit too much on the drum kick for my liking, but I don't think it's too loud for a rock album. I'll judge it properly once we get the proper album though, rather than Youtube.
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Maybe it's my hearing being bad from working in construction AND playing a lot of loud music for the better part of my life, maybe it's because I've never really invested in an audiophile worthy sound system-right now I play my CDs on a 30 dollar CD player I got at Target-but I never hear all the compression and whatnot people go on about. Is it just me? :lol
Nah, I'm with you there. The majority of all albums that I listen to sound perfectly fine to my ears.
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Warmed up to it on the third listen.
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Excellent. Loving the new song already.
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
It is pretty loud, and overcompresses a bit too much on the drum kick for my liking, but I don't think it's too loud for a rock album. I'll judge it properly once we get the proper album though, rather than Youtube.
The real album does not sound that way. As a matter of fact there is not a whole lot of mastering compression at all. I know we are not allowed to discuss, so trust me on this one.
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This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?
It is pretty loud, and overcompresses a bit too much on the drum kick for my liking, but I don't think it's too loud for a rock album. I'll judge it properly once we get the proper album though, rather than Youtube.
The real album does not sound that way. As a matter of fact there is not a whole lot of mastering compression at all. I know we are not allowed to discuss, so trust me on this one.
I'm happy to take your word on that! Youtube isn't exactly known for its sound quality.
As I said, I'll judge it once I get the album, and I'll definitely be getting this one. And I'm happy with how it sounds even in that clip, and that's worst case scenario.
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Yet again poor verse, good chorus, not sure what to think of these yet
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Youtube comment of the "Elevate" video:
amy reed 5 days ago
does richie like older fat women because if he does...IM ALL HIS
:lol :lol
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The first song was pretty cool, this one is kinda "meh"
The bass solo was interesting, though :)
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Youtube comment of the "Elevate" video:
amy reed 5 days ago
does richie like older fat women because if he does...IM ALL HIS
:lol :lol
Fantastic :rollin
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Sounds like Audioslave. That's not a bade thing, though. Hell, I'd even pay to see this band, and I couldn't be troubled to see AM any of the three times they've played Dallas.
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Sounds like Audioslave. That's not a bade thing, though. Hell, I'd even pay to see this band, and I couldn't be troubled to see AM any of the three times they've played Dallas.
Yeah, I always felt like Audioslave could have been so much more.
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Holy crap. Just listening to the two new tunes for the first time. This is good shit. This band could get quite a following.
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AS far as I know, they released their album in Japan today. Still no link to download it anywhere :censored
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You just can't depend on the Japanese to steal anything these days (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/cry.gif)
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I think you're letting your piracy bias cloud your ability to read posts since he very likely could've been referring to downloading mp3s on a pay site.
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Piracy bias? :lol
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I'll freely admit, until this gets a US release, my main options would be either downloading it or hoping it hits Spotify, since import prices from Japan tend to be pretty dear.
If anyone can provide a link to something that proves me wrong, though, I'd gladly buy it. :rollin
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I read it will be out worldwide in July according to the Winery Dogs Twitter account
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Then I can wait. :lol
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To quote Perp from the A Mob thread:
I think he realizes that many of his fans think it’s terrible. There was a thread at MP.com where posters were ranking MP projects awhile back, and AMOB barely showed up on anyone’s list. And when it did, it was almost always at the bottom.
So MP must realize that his typical fanbase don’t really like AMOB. What he doesn’t realize (or is maybe just beginning to realize) is that other rock/metal fans (Who go to Godsmack and Halestorm shows) don’t really dig AMOB much either.
I don’t really blame them. When I have to sit through an opening band I don’t know or care about, they’d better offer something that makes me remember them. AMOB aren’t very unique sounding to my ears, and I suppose AMOB really don’t have what it takes stick out in the hazy memories of thousands of drunken Godsmack fans :P
I’d like to hear AMOB give it one last try, and go into the studio determined to make something with a little bit more personality. I still think the band sounds decent on paper and could be good, so hopefully they won’t be discouraged and will take their failures as opportunities to improve on their formula.
I've been thinking about the Winery Dogs clip, trying to figure out how I really felt about it. Then Perp's post heped shed some light.
This was my biggest fear when MP left DT. MP's drumming and live performances, nevermind the fan extras, were the greatest factor in my DT fandom. In a way, I felt like I "lost" MP. He's going to go from project to project, and either I will like it or not. Now I think A Mob is OK, and have no use for Flying Colors, but these projects just feel like it's MP getting some buds together and banging out some tunes. Not really any limit pushing going on, just hanging out. When I watch MP's performance in the Desire video, that's all I feel.
Now I'm sure MP has his heart and soul in these projects as they are happening, but it has a flavor of the day type feeling. Maybe I have false hope, but I guess I'm waiting for MP to do what I think he does best, that is put together a progressive hard rock band that has legs, and take the lead in his genre as he once did before.
I can't believe I'm going to make this analogy, but these projects reek of "rebound" relationships. I would never claim that MP isn't serious or invested in these projects, but as a fan, I'm really hoping for MP to find a new "home". One that I, as a huge MP fan, can count on.
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^Yeah, I hear you. Although A7X wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I kind of wish they had offered to keep him on full time. I felt like they were a good fit for him (even if he wasn't a good fit for them). He got to play music that was heavy, but still challanging, and he got to do it in packed areas. Can't get much better than that.
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^Yeah, I hear you. Although A7X wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I kind of wish they had offered to keep him on full time. I felt like they were a good fit for him (even if he wasn't a good fit for them). He got to play music that was heavy, but still challanging, and he got to do it in packed areas. Can't get much better than that.
Didn't A7X sort of allude to the fact all the DT drama prevented that from happening?
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The massive age difference will have played a factor too. Which I think is haunting him in all these bands too. In prog rock/metal his work would be a continuation of his impressive resume, in other genres he enters it as an aging rocker.
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^Yeah, I hear you. Although A7X wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I kind of wish they had offered to keep him on full time. I felt like they were a good fit for him (even if he wasn't a good fit for them). He got to play music that was heavy, but still challanging, and he got to do it in packed arenas. Can't get much better than that.
Didn't A7X sort of allude to the fact all the DT drama prevented that from happening?
The alluded to the drama indirectly, but it's hard to say how much of a factor it was. Remember, whether there was drama or not, they had only agreed to bring him on temporarily and it appears they made arrangements to look at bringing in other people before the drama really happened. Not to mention the fact that you basically have a band of 4 different guys with different takes on things, as well as their management. So as far as how much the drama played into it, who really knows? As rumborak pointed out, there were also just basic age (and commensurate lifestyle) differences that came into play as well.
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I see what you're saying about the "project of the day" though, TAC. If there's been one consistent thread through all of his projects, it's (excuse my language) "has-beens". He's played with the ex-singer of Spock's Beard, the ex-guitarist of Kansas, the ex-bassist and ex-guitarist of Mr. Big .... and he himself is the ex-drummer of Dream Theater. Nothing wrong with that, but a cynical observer could say "well, it's because those are the only ones who would start a band with him". I don't think young talent would want MP as their drummer because it comes with a lot of baggage. So, he has to stick with the "ex-" guys, but that also means it's not going to be a big thing anymore.
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There's a free download of a third song off of the album, called We Are One, available at the band's official Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/TheWineryDogs).
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I see what you're saying about the "project of the day" though, TAC. If there's been one consistent thread through all of his projects, it's (excuse my language) "has-beens". He's played with the ex-singer of Spock's Beard, the ex-guitarist of Kansas, the ex-bassist and ex-guitarist of Mr. Big .... and he himself is the ex-drummer of Dream Theater. Nothing wrong with that, but a cynical observer could say "well, it's because those are the only ones who would start a band with him". I don't think young talent would want MP as their drummer because it comes with a lot of baggage. So, he has to stick with the "ex-" guys, but that also means it's not going to be a big thing anymore.
I sort of agree with your overall point, but I don't think it's fair to lump Neal Morse in with that. Morse left Spock's Beard for his own personal reasons and his ongoing solo work is doing well, and Transatlantic are bigger than Spock's ever were.
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I see what you're saying about the "project of the day" though, TAC. If there's been one consistent thread through all of his projects, it's (excuse my language) "has-beens". He's played with the ex-singer of Spock's Beard, the ex-guitarist of Kansas, the ex-bassist and ex-guitarist of Mr. Big .... and he himself is the ex-drummer of Dream Theater. Nothing wrong with that, but a cynical observer could say "well, it's because those are the only ones who would start a band with him". I don't think young talent would want MP as their drummer because it comes with a lot of baggage. So, he has to stick with the "ex-" guys, but that also means it's not going to be a big thing anymore.
I sort of agree with your overall point, but I don't think it's fair to lump Neal Morse in with that. Morse left Spock's Beard for his own personal reasons and his ongoing solo work is doing well, and Transatlantic are bigger than Spock's ever were.
And at this point I think that his solo band is just as, if not more successful than Spock's Beard.
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Definitely bigger than SB are right now, not sure if I'd say bigger than SB were at their peak though.
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^Yeah, I hear you. Although A7X wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I kind of wish they had offered to keep him on full time. I felt like they were a good fit for him (even if he wasn't a good fit for them). He got to play music that was heavy, but still challanging, and he got to do it in packed areas. Can't get much better than that.
What, like the back of a Volkswagen?
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Funny.
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Got the 3rd track. Doesn't blow me away as much as the others, but still good.
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Yeah, I got it too. It was enough for me to know I don't need to buy this album. It's not bad, really. Just not anything I'd listen to much.
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Yeah, I got it too. It was enough for me to know I don't need to buy this album. It's not bad, really. Just not anything I'd listen to much.
That was how I felt about Adrenaline Mob, but I'm definitely interested enough in this to pick it up.
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Yeah, I got it too. It was enough for me to know I don't need to buy this album. It's not bad, really. Just not anything I'd listen to much.
That was how I felt about Adrenaline Mob, but I'm definitely interested enough in this to pick it up.
I had NO interest in A Mob, until one day I sampled every song on youtube. I then felt that it was an album I could live with and bought it. Not mindblowing or groundbreaking by any stretch, but I don't not like it. It's fine for what it is.
I'll take the same approach with Winery Dogs. I will have to hear more than a couple tracks.
I do hope that it is good. I just have no expectation for it.
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I have to admit, there's an obvious later Mr. Big-style influence to it. But just different enough to not be Mr. Big. I like that.
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Got the 3rd track. Doesn't blow me away as much as the others, but still good.
This. Definitely more than enough at this point to know I'm getting this album though. Even with this being the weakest track, it's still a rockin' track, it's just not very memorable compared to the other two. But it's not a track I'd skip if I was listening to the album either.
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I'm loving this new track, so far Desire is my least favourite but it's still a wicked track! :tup
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Is it me or is Desire pretty much the same video as Elevate? :lol
Anyway, I agree with those saying that Desire isn't nearly as good as Elevate. Elevate is fairly enjoyable, and I could see it being a good tune for my workout playlist, but Desire doesn't have enough of a hook for me.
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I sort of agree with your overall point, but I don't think it's fair to lump Neal Morse in with that. Morse left Spock's Beard for his own personal reasons and his ongoing solo work is doing well, and Transatlantic are bigger than Spock's ever were.
Yeah, I agree. Neal fits the least into that characterization. But, he's (I think) a far cry from the Dream Theater opener days of 2000, so he's sorta "has-been" in that regard.
Downloaded the new song, but I think I'll pass on this album. Like the chorus of Elevate, but the last 2 songs don't do much for me.
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Is it me or is Desire pretty much the same video as Elevate? :lol
MP said that Elevate was just thrown together and filmed in an hour since they had just spent the day filming for two other tracks. So they have footage for Desire and another track we don't know about.
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Rumby, I get what you're saying, but doesn't that kinda plop MP right where he should be in the tradition of prog rock musicians?
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I see what you're saying about the "project of the day" though, TAC. If there's been one consistent thread through all of his projects, it's (excuse my language) "has-beens". He's played with the ex-singer of Spock's Beard, the ex-guitarist of Kansas, the ex-bassist and ex-guitarist of Mr. Big .... and he himself is the ex-drummer of Dream Theater. Nothing wrong with that, but a cynical observer could say "well, it's because those are the only ones who would start a band with him". I don't think young talent would want MP as their drummer because it comes with a lot of baggage. So, he has to stick with the "ex-" guys, but that also means it's not going to be a big thing anymore.
I sort of agree with your overall point, but I don't think it's fair to lump Neal Morse in with that. Morse left Spock's Beard for his own personal reasons and his ongoing solo work is doing well, and Transatlantic are bigger than Spock's ever were.
Also, it's not really fair to lump Steve Morse and Dave LaRue in the has-been category. SM wasn't in the classic Kansas line-up, and he's mostly known for The Dixie Dregs, his solo work, and Deep Purple. And LaRue also works with Morse in the Dregs and the Steve Morse band.
I can see why someone would consider Neal Morse a has-been though. Despite being somewhat popular (relatively speaking, of course) all his recent solo albums have the same sound and style and are musically similar.
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I like the new song. The chorus is a little sappy, but the rest of the song is rock solid. Based on Elevate and this new one, it's easily my favorite of his post DT projects. I'm also thinking that they're going to be a monster of a live band. That's mostly what I'm looking forward to.
As for his post DT work being part time gigs with has beens, I think part of the problem is that they're all something outside of his comfort zone. Personally, I want MP playing prog and that seems to be the least of his interests right now. I'll but a TA album sound unheard right now, because I know it'll get me off. All of these other projects really need to sell me first, and not being what I'm particularity interested in hearing, they haven't. Even this, which I'm pretty cool with, isn't what I was really hoping for with these three guys in a power trio.
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Based on Elevate and this new one, it's easily my favorite of his post DT projects.
Same here - I'm really liking what I've heard from The Winery Dogs so far. Flying Colors had a lot of potential but ultimately the overt use of falsetto on the lead vocals killed it for me. AMob might've worked if it'd happened 20 years ago, but not when they're in their 40s and the genre they're aping has already passed its self-by-date for all but the cream of the crop.
I just hope any singing Portnoy inevitably does on The Winery Dogs is kept to harmonies - Richie Kotzen's a great singer and is perfect for this material.
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I'm sorry, but when is the album coming out?
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I'm sorry, but when is the album coming out?
Out in Japan now, I think.
Out in the USA in like July.
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I see what you're saying about the "project of the day" though, TAC. If there's been one consistent thread through all of his projects, it's (excuse my language) "has-beens". He's played with the ex-singer of Spock's Beard, the ex-guitarist of Kansas, the ex-bassist and ex-guitarist of Mr. Big .... and he himself is the ex-drummer of Dream Theater. Nothing wrong with that, but a cynical observer could say "well, it's because those are the only ones who would start a band with him". I don't think young talent would want MP as their drummer because it comes with a lot of baggage. So, he has to stick with the "ex-" guys, but that also means it's not going to be a big thing anymore.
Dude if those are "has beens," give me more please.
I come at this a different way though. In many cases I don't even think about "ex." I know most people here may consider Sheehan and Gilbert to be "Ex-Mr. Big" but that's my least favorite project that either one have been in. And Steve Morse...ex Kansas? He played on two albums and tour with them for a while and it was awesome, but I think it limits what these guys are capable of.
Maybe I'm missing the point, but I think if Mike wanted to be a bandleader and find some young guns like Neal Morse or Carl Palmer, I'm sure he'd have done it by now.
In MOST cases, I wouldn't say that Mike has been playing with B-list talent or below here.
Whether you like it or not, that's a whole other thing.
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Not crazy about the newest song, but I was cranking Elevate and Desire all afternoon. Still really looking forward to the album
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For any other UK (mainly London) DTFers, they're playing in Islington on 5th September. The date already listed on Seetickets, on sale Friday.
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Seems all MP projects just copy/paste the venues from his previous bands, as far as I remember AdMob and FC played in similar cities/venues and same countries.... no courage/interest in going southern? ::)
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The tours have to go where there is money to pay for them. Especially a side project like this. You can take chances if you have a band you're trying to build with the future in mind, but with something like this you meet the demand that is there.
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Plus, I think the average promoter is gonna see The Winery Dogs having an appeal on the same type of fans that Adrenaline Mob did. Right or wrong, I think most will see it that way given that both, in simple terms, do that kind of power trio hard rock (A-Mob having a singer to go along with the trio instead of one of the three being the singer).
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Has anyone imported this?
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Yes, I did, to here in the UK. Arrived a couple of days ago but no chance to listen to it yet. That will hopefully change tonight.
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Seems all MP projects just copy/paste the venues from his previous bands, as far as I remember AdMob and FC played in similar cities/venues and same countries.... no courage/interest in going southern? ::)
A-Mob has played Dallas three times, so far. I had no interest in going to any of them, but if the same club wants to bring WD down I'll certainly check it out.
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https://www.metal-temple.com/site/catalogues/entry/reviews/cd_3/t_2/the-winery-dogs-self.htm
After some high profile releases and particularly impressive ubiquity, the ex-DREAM THEATER / A7X drums God Mike Portnoy is back again with his new musical partner the magnificent Bass Maestro Billy Sheehan (NIACIN / TALAS / DAVID LEE ROTH / MR BIG / STEVE VAI / PSMS), under a power trio format, completed by none other than one of the most gifted Guitarist of his generation once Sharpnel Records alumni Richie Kotzen but this time no instrumental trickery, no instrumental knitting, because Kotzen beside his absolute skilled six strings wizardry is also indeed an hell of a fantastic soulful singer and a very underrated vocalist of the best brand. This is a supergroup, a Dream Team hell yeah…but mostly a great band.
With such a busy time schedule for both workaholics Portnoy & Sheehan, we could have feared a fast almost sloppy affair, luckily with this first album is exactly the opposite. Sheehan & Kotzen were working many years together with MR BIG and in fact the sound of THE WINERY DOGS isn’t that far from what Sheehan, Paul Gilbert , Pat Torpey and Eric Martin have magnificently achieved.
The album start with groovy 70s infused blast of “Elevate” and followed by the heavy Funk flavor of “Desire” each track feature an intense rhythmic groove with short but impressive unison synchronized lead bass / lead guitar whirlwind licks of exuberant virtuosity, some unexpected harmonies that coming out of the Jazz-Rock / Rhythm N' Blues recipe book owned by Kotzen, but every song carries most of all a strong focus both on the catchy melodies and on the sing-along hooks which are everywhere boosted by rich Backing vocals (“The Other Side” or “The Dying”) really magnetic & irresistible. Those who are familiar with the prolific superb Kotzen’s discography knows that he’s an hugely skilled songwriter with a lot of style in his arsenal, so THE WINERY DOGS debut album is out of the same tradition as THE MOTHER HEAD'S FAMILLY REUNION, “Not Hopeless” contains however some over the top sharing duo between Richie & Billy, in the real MR BIG's shredding frenzy fashion, like a modern day GRAND FUNK RAILROAD with full injection of high tech dexterity.
Cuts like “One More Time” or “Six Feet Deeper” seems to be outtakes from the breath taking 1990s “Fever Dream”, with furious playing and great musicality concentrated for an even more efficiency. The Japan only bonus track, “Criminal” is strangely one of the most commercial song with an almost AOR chorus, a syncopated bridge and another outstanding lead guitar solo spot in two parts with a tasty sound. The closing number “Regret” is the sole composition handled exclusively by Mr. Kotzen: it’s a soul music track with slight Hammond layers and a real harmonious balanced to finish this album in a positive way. The pristine production is powerful and crystal clear, still organic with a strong vintage feel but not muddy, in fact it sounds like how Classic Rock in its purest form should sound in 2013. Just unadulterated genuine Rock played by an exemplary bunch of extremely talented musicians and it’s an understatement.
After an imposing huge list of albums and projects under his belt, Mike Portnoy with the help of another all-star lineup show to the incredulous crowd of jealous fellows, how his playing field is broad and how he can multiply in an almost monthly omnipresence the recording with the same prestige and the same success as FLYING COLORS / NEAL MORSE / PSMS / ADRENALINE MOB and the forthcoming BIGELF.
P.S.: The expensive Japanese edition with Shm-CD / DVD combo is particularly recommended. Expensive but worth every Yen.
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https://www.amazon.com/Winery-Dogs/dp/B00CXQL828/ref=tmm_acd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1370018498&sr=8-1 US Preorder from Amazon.
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https://www.amazon.com/Winery-Dogs/dp/B00CXQL828/ref=tmm_acd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1370018498&sr=8-1 US Preorder from Amazon.
Oh, cool. 7/23 release date. That's not too far off.
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:lol
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https://www.amazon.com/Winery-Dogs/dp/B00CXQL828/ref=tmm_acd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1370018498&sr=8-1 US Preorder from Amazon.
Oh, cool. 7/23 release date. That's not too far off.
Watch MP pull a DT and delay it until October 2014.
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Another video (technically the same one but a different song!). I like it. I was expecting a big, long solo that never came but this is shaping up to be a cool album.
https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-video-premiere-im-no-angel-winery-dogs-richie-kotzen-billy-sheehan-and-mike-portnoy
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https://www.amazon.com/Winery-Dogs/dp/B00CXQL828/ref=tmm_acd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1370018498&sr=8-1 US Preorder from Amazon.
Oh, cool. 7/23 release date. That's not too far off.
Watch MP pull a DT and delay it until October 2014.
He's too reliable for that. ;D
If MP was still in DT, we'd already have that DVD
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Has this been posted already?
https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-video-premiere-im-no-angel-winery-dogs-richie-kotzen-billy-sheehan-and-mike-portnoy
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Has this been posted already?
https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-video-premiere-im-no-angel-winery-dogs-richie-kotzen-billy-sheehan-and-mike-portnoy
yup. two posts up :biggrin:
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Really liked it! This is now my favorite MP side project right behind OSI.
I will actually pay money to see these guys if they come near me.
EDIT: The style of the last song reminds me a lot of Candlebox/The Gracious Few: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRPDdK7rG_o
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Has this been posted already?
https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-video-premiere-im-no-angel-winery-dogs-richie-kotzen-billy-sheehan-and-mike-portnoy
yup. two posts up :biggrin:
That's what you get from posting from a phone. :lol
For me the video means I will sit this one out. The first song excited me because it was almost a proggy Mr Big song on a blues foundation. All the other stuff is way more blues it seems, which isn't my thing.
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Nice song. I'm glad not every song is trying to be super flashy and show off, and there's a bit of variety.
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Looks like it's going to be a good album. I'd buy this!
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If this is an actual track off the album, I'm extra-pumped!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4vVFh0rbh0
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New song is really nice. :tup
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If this is an actual track off the album, I'm extra-pumped!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4vVFh0rbh0
It is real.
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I'm loving how genuinely bluesy this is.
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Neat, I suppose. But I think that both Portnoy and Sheehan are better suited to other things.
But hey, if they can have fun and make some money with this, then more power to them.
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But I think that both Portnoy and Sheehan are better suited to other things.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. Thankfully.
As for the album itself, the first half is more instant than the second half but the latter is certainly growing on me. So much man love for Kotzen here. Some of the tunes wouldn't have been out of place on Poison's Native Tongue (that should get the progsnobs running a mile...).
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Better hope Kotzen doesn't steal Billy or MP's wife then. :lol
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But I think that both Portnoy and Sheehan are better suited to other things.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. Thankfully.
As for the album itself, the first half is more instant than the second half but the latter is certainly growing on me. So much man love for Kotzen here. Some of the tunes wouldn't have been out of place on Poison's Native Tongue (that should get the progsnobs running a mile...).
which would be a shame as it's a great album, certainly not what everyone thinks a Poison album would be. There's alot there to like.
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Up until a few minutes ago, I had foolishly written off The Winery Dogs as "random MP side-project #5", but after listening to some of the songs I am really digging it.
I've been mildly interested in his other side projects, but I feel like this is something that I can really love.
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Better hope Kotzen doesn't steal Billy or MP's wife then. :lol
:lol
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I can't get into this at all. Not really a fan of the dad-rock/blues-metal vibes I'm feeling on it. Catchy at times! (especially in Elevate and Damaged) and some bloody amazing playing! but I can't see how people could really, genuinely, nay, unbiassedly, fall in love with this music or get super hyped for it (based on the 3 songs i've heard). I'm sure it was fun for them to produce, and it would be great to see them live for sure. each to their own I guess.
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I can't get into this at all. Not really a fan of the dad-rock/blues-metal vibes I'm feeling on it. Catchy at times! (especially in Elevate and Damaged) and some bloody amazing playing! but I can't see how people could really, genuinely, nay, unbiassedly, fall in love with this music or get super hyped for it (based on the 3 songs i've heard). I'm sure it was fun for them to produce, and it would be great to see them live for sure. each to their own I guess.
unless you like that sort of thing of course :biggrin:
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unless you like that sort of thing of course :biggrin:
Yeah it's totally just a personal preference thing :smiley:
I think the point that I should have/wanted to make was that while this is a fun hard bluesy rock album, it's certainly not really ground breaking, progressive or brings anything new to the table. And it doesn't have to at all! I still don't see the appeal of it lol but if you like it then its more music for you to listen to and enjoy and that's great.
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https://www.amazon.com/Winery-Dogs/dp/B00CXQL828/ref=tmm_acd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1370018498&sr=8-1 US Preorder from Amazon.
Oh, cool. 7/23 release date. That's not too far off.
The 7th day of the 23rd Month ! :omg:
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Secretly listening to the entire album right now! Nearly halfway now, and the tracks that weren't released officially before are just as good as the others.
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The whole album is on YT, fyi. Dunno, Elevate is still a good song, but the rest ranges from meh to uninspired. Especially RK's doubling of his vocal lines with his guitar was getting on my nerves.
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Elevate is still a good song, but the rest ranges from meh to uninspired.
Yeah, having now listened to the whole thing myself, I agree with this. A couple of the other song may grown on me, but so far Elevate just seems to be a step or two up from the rest of the album. Rather disappointing.
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It's an OK album, the first 5-6 songs are great, the rest is good but imo they don't bring anything new to the table. But it's an interesting project and I'm wondering how it'll sound live....
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The whole album is on YT, fyi. Dunno, Elevate is still a good song, but the rest ranges from meh to uninspired. Especially RK's doubling of his vocal lines with his guitar was getting on my nerves.
Listening to the second half of the album right now, and I can't hear a single point where he's doubling his guitar.
Ha, as I was typing that I heard the prechorus of The Dying. But still.
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Plus, I think the average promoter is gonna see The Winery Dogs having an appeal on the same type of fans that Adrenaline Mob did. Right or wrong, I think most will see it that way given that both, in simple terms, do that kind of power trio hard rock (A-Mob having a singer to go along with the trio instead of one of the three being the singer).
I see this project as slightly below the level of Chickenfoot or Black Country Communion and I would expect it to last a similar duration.
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I´m actually liking it a lot! Great riffing, good vocal work....yeah.... :tup
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Plus, I think the average promoter is gonna see The Winery Dogs having an appeal on the same type of fans that Adrenaline Mob did. Right or wrong, I think most will see it that way given that both, in simple terms, do that kind of power trio hard rock (A-Mob having a singer to go along with the trio instead of one of the three being the singer).
I see this project as slightly below the level of Chickenfoot or Black Country Communion and I would expect it to last a similar duration.
For me it's better than all of those, in the quality of the songs. Found Chickenfoot & BCC boring, and I love Satch's (rare) vocal songs on his own albums. I could be alone in that :biggrin:
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The Winery Dogs....
The Hounds Of Tuscany ?
:hat :hat
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Plus, I think the average promoter is gonna see The Winery Dogs having an appeal on the same type of fans that Adrenaline Mob did. Right or wrong, I think most will see it that way given that both, in simple terms, do that kind of power trio hard rock (A-Mob having a singer to go along with the trio instead of one of the three being the singer).
I see this project as slightly below the level of Chickenfoot or Black Country Communion and I would expect it to last a similar duration.
I was thinking Audioslave. . . . But. . . . Y'know. . . With a guitarist.
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So they're in this competition right now against some other band:
https://103gbfrocks.com/pick-your-poison-vs-the-winery-dogs-rocktagon/
Dead heat, 50/50!
Interestingly they have a kind of "radio mix" of Elevate, which I actually kind of like more than the original. It gets rid of the part I dislike the most in the song, the (IMHO) over-stretched verse pauses.
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Heard maybe half of the album so far. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm very impressed. This is some legitimately good neo-classic rock. Definitely have to make a point to see them when they come by NY.
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On a complete side note, they should take a bit more care about spelling the cities correctly in which they play. I've seen 4 misspellings of German-speaking cities so far, that's a bit much.
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Heard maybe half of the album so far. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm very impressed. This is some legitimately good neo-classic rock. Definitely have to make a point to see them when they come by NY.
Made the plunge and got a ticket on impulse. Haven't heard too much of the album yet, but even if it doesn't live up to Elevate and Desire, it'll be worth it to see these guys in action.
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Can anyone recommend any songs or bands that have a similar sound and/or vibe to the verses of You Saved Me? The chorus is "meh" but I looooove the verses.
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I can't listen to the beginning of that song. All I can focus on are the timing fluctuations in the playing.
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I can't listen to the beginning of that song. All I can focus on are the timing fluctuations in the playing.
I was just noticing that as well when I really listened. I still like the general gist of it.
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From another forum:
For any fans of of the Winery Dogs or just interested in what Portnoy, Sheehan, Kotzen do, the band will be doing a in-store signing/ performing at Vintage Vinyl in Fords NJ on Tuesday August 6th at 7PM. If you pre-order the disc at the store or online at the store's website( which I did earlier today) you get a wristband that guarantees you get in to the signing and performance before any of the general public. When I pre-ordered today, the clerk said they still had a decent # of wristbands left but that they'd given out quite a bit already and anticipated handing out the rest by the time the cd ships. Just figured I'd throw this up here as I know there are a few NJ folks on the site and there were quite a few people who are looking forward to this disc coming out. Hope to see some of you there on the 6th :metal:
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For those who have never been, Vintage Vinyl is an AMAZING music store.
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For those who have never been, Vintage Vinyl is an AMAZING music store.
As amazing as that store is now, it was 5 times that 10 years ago.
Like everyone else used to do before they went under, they aren't restocking a lot of the catalog releases. For example instead of stocking every Marillion and Fish release, they only have about a third to a quarter of the catalog.
If I was looking for a particular Keith Emerson soundtrack, odds are they would have had it years ago. Not anymore.
Can't really blame them for it as they are just trying to stay in business.
I'm glad they are playing Newton, now and can see them and Marco Minneman in the same week.
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I like the album, not great but still very enjoyable. I have to listen to it a couple more times and see how it grows.
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So the album is about twice as expensive on Canadian Amazon as American Amazon ($9.79 USD vs $18.79 CAD). I mean, they get that Canadians can easily check the American price, right? Like, we are well aware that they are charging way more for us on the same store for no reason.
Obviously this is Amazon being dickheads and has nothing to do with The Winery Dogs. It's just frustrating.
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Ok let me just be completely honest here.
The album is pretty good but it burns me out after the first 6 songs. I just can't finish it. Even though this is better than AM,I still don't dig TWD like it's the next best band. But whatever,I'm not the biggest hard rock person anyways.
In conclusion,Portnoy,get your game back on and come back to prog instead of wasting your time. By come back I mean make an awesome record not just work with it. Either with FC or Transatlantic.
PS:This is my opinion.
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Ok let me just be completely honest here.
The album is pretty good but it burns me out after the first 6 songs. I just can't finish it. Even though this is better than AM,I still don't dig TWD like it's the next best band. But whatever,I'm not the biggest hard rock person anyways.
In conclusion,Portnoy,get your game back on and come back to prog instead of wasting your time. By come back I mean make an awesome record not just work with it. Either with FC or Transatlantic.
PS:This is my opinion.
Good thing he's working on new albums for BOTH Flying Colors AND Transatlantic, due for release next year!!! 2014 is already going to be really good!
-Marc.
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Ok let me just be completely honest here.
The album is pretty good but it burns me out after the first 6 songs. I just can't finish it. Even though this is better than AM,I still don't dig TWD like it's the next best band. But whatever,I'm not the biggest hard rock person anyways.
In conclusion,Portnoy,get your game back on and come back to prog instead of wasting your time. By come back I mean make an awesome record not just work with it. Either with FC or Transatlantic.
PS:This is my opinion.
Good thing he's working on new albums for BOTH Flying Colors AND Transatlantic, due for release next year!!! 2014 is already going to be really good!
-Marc.
I hope the new FC is more Blue Ocean and less Kayla.
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I Just discovered this band, awesome music!! :metal
Best blues-rock album I've heard in years!!
Kotzen definitively remind me of Prince in the way he play guitar, but in a heavier version of course!!
And ffs what a voice!! :hefdaddy
I Can't get tired of listening this album!! :tup
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I haven't been online in a week and I'm looking to purchase this album. Does anyone know if there is a t-shirt bundle available? I didn't see any, so I'm assuming the answer is no.
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Did you look at the official store on their official website ?
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Was just randomly wondering when the US release is happening. Well, lol, today I guess. It's available on iTunes now for $10.
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My copy has been despatched and should arrive any day. :metal
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Yup, it's on Spotify too.
Guess I'll liveblog my reactions here:
Edit: 3 songs in, and while it's top-notch musically, Kotzen's strained voice is already getting a bit tiresome. Still lots of cool elements here so far.
Edit 2: Now on track 7, "Not Hopeless". Honestly, the album leaves me a little tired. Maybe it's just too early, but I'm not latching onto much here, despite being fully aware of the intensity/energy of what I'm hearing.
Edit 3: Track 10, "Six Feet Deeper", is a nice wake-up call. Not sure I'd be willing to sit through the album all over again just to get to it, though. Not much between the last update and this one that really impressed me. Gotta say these pickless guitar solos sound pretty cool though, almost keyboardy.
Edit 4: Well, just finished it. "Regret" was a nice closer.
Ultimately, not much really grabbed me about the album, so I don't know if I'd really care to see the band live. The biggest drawbacks for me are that 1.) the album feels repetitive 2.) Kotzen's voice is a bit strainy and 3.) MP never really lets loose. It's not a bad album by any stretch, just maybe a little underwhelming since we had to wait so long for it thanks to the Japan-exclusivity thing the record company did.
Anyway, this stuff is a lot better than AMOB, but I think Flying Colors is still the best *new* band MP has joined since leaving DT.
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So I picked this up on Amazon today since they brought the price a bit closer to the American one. It's currently sitting at #2 in music. That's everything in the music category on Canadian Amazon. That seems pretty good.
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Just finished my first listen and I'm pretty impressed.
Since there's a crap load of music to digest here, it will take another few listens to really form a solid opinion, but I'm pretty happy with it.
Regardless of anything, the real bottom line is that I am ass burgers in love with I'm No angel. Just love it. I really like The Dying as well.
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Nearly done with my first listen (3 songs left). Seems pretty kickass so far -- a few of the pieces are forgettable, but many are really strong in an immediate way.
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First reaction: I liked it a lot...not as much as Flying Colors which is my favorite Portnoy post-DT project (excluding Transatlantic, of course), and as some of you say I think it's a little bit tiring. The songs on their own are quite strong, but when matched as an album they can drag a little bit.
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My impression was similar to PC's. They frontloaded the album, i.e. put the really strong songs right at the beginning. Then it sort of drifts off into less exciting stuff. Some songs had some really forced songwriting in them I thought.
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First reaction: I liked it a lot...not as much as Flying Colors which is my favorite Portnoy post-DT project (excluding Transatlantic, of course), and as some of you say I think it's a little bit tiring. The songs on their own are quite strong, but when matched as an album they can drag a little bit.
This.
I think the album suffers from its length. The nature of the songs aren't really suited for a 60 minute album. For me, I feel like if they would have cut it down to around 45 minutes, that would have been more of a sweet spot, length wise.
P.S. I love The Dying.
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I really like it. I am more of a classic rock guy though, so this is MP's best album post-Dt for me. I'll take this over the boring Flying Colors.
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They are playing here today in São Paulo (Brazil). I will be attending.
And here´s a pic of them having fun in a barbecue place :laugh:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/969772_484235168332639_1837983200_n.jpg)
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Gave this a listen, and it really did start to lose steam towards the end. Might have been better at only 10 or so songs. Just got a little samey over the length of the entire album. It DOES blow Flying Colors away; never got the love for that CD at all. :lol
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Eh. This album is pretty good, but Flying Colors was fantastic.
Also, opinion and all that.
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I really don't get why Amazon insist on being such assholes to Canadians. We mostly live in a fairly small stretch of land, there are thirty-five million of us (almost all along the fucking US border), all media is the same region here and in the US, we buy more albums and films per capita than the US, and yet, if I want to buy Hold Your Fire by Rush, it's 4.99 plus a bunch of ridiculous fees if I want to buy it from Amazon.com, or $17.99 plus tax and shipping if I want to buy this CANADIAN album in CANADA. Fuck you Amazon. Fuck you in the fucking face. You assholes realize we can very easily check the extreme price discrepancies, right? Our dollars have been more or less at par, while ours is stable internationally and yours is on the fucking decline if anything. Why are you fucking us over, Amazon, to such a fucking degree?
For example, The Winery Dogs pre-release; USD $9.99, CAD $18.59, Canadian Price in USD at that time; $20.48...
Why is Amazon charging us almost double just for living in our country?
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I was with you until you said "better country". :p
Seriously though, Amazon's prices are pretty screwy. They can change drastically multiple times a day for no discernible reason.
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I was with you until you said "better country". :p
Seriously though, Amazon's prices are pretty screwy. They can change drastically multiple times a day for no discernible reason.
To be fair, I never said 'better country'. No disrespect to America. Amazon genuinely tends to fuck us over on CD and DVD prices.
I have no problem with the US price being a little lower than the Canadian price, even if our dollar is doing better at the time, but Amazon were being complete assholes when I posted that. They lowered the price of the Winery Dogs album since then ($14 CAD vs $10 USD which is still bullshit), though they still have Impermanent Resonance at $18 CAD vs $10 USD, which is bigger bullshit, and honestly, I'll purchase from a non-Amazon source for more than that at this point, just on principal).
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So, the concert was amazing.
The three guys sounded great, they played the whole album, one kotzen song, one Mr Big song too. they loooked like they were having a great time too. It was strange to see Mike behind such a small drum kit, but he played the shit out of it :laugh:
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I can't wait to see them in October :D
Did they have an opening act or anything?
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Hi there...I´m new to the forum and this is my very first post, so please be gentle.
I live in Rio, and was fortunate enough to catch the first TWD concert in South America last Wednesday. And boy, did they rock! The venue was fairly small, with a 600-crowd capacity, and tickets sold out on the first weekend of sales. Personally I love their first record, especially Time Machine, Criminal and I´m no Angel. Live, it´s Richie that shines the most, his Cornell-like pipes and amazing shred-but-bluesy guitar playing mesmerizing everyone in the room. His interplay with Billy on all songs were also great to watch. And after seeing Mike on his last show with AMob in São Paulo in June and this concert with TWD, I dare say he´s in a very happy place. I arrived quite early at the venue, and listened to the soundcheck from outside - loud and clear!
There were no opening acts, and selected covers were played: Mr. Big´s Shine, Poison´s Stand, and the unusual choice of the night, Elvin Bishop´s Fooled Around and Fell In Love. I was hoping for Mr. Big´s Static, which has Richie singing on the studio version, but it didn´t happen. Overall, they sound live Mr. Big with much better drummer and vocalist, and a raw edge.
Here´s a few pictures from the Rio show:
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I can't wait to see them in October :D
Did they have an opening act or anything?
No, it was "just" them.
At least here in the Brazilian leg of the tour.
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Anyone from here seeing the band in NYC on Saturday? Is there a DTF meetup?
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Love what I've heard of the album.
Nice soulful, bluesy laid back rock at time, but has the up tempo numbers with a bit of shredding.
Good fun. Nice change from my usual Death Metal techfest.
Been having a lot of fun playing and singing "The Dying" on my acoustic, don't have the grungeblues in my voice enough to do it justice though sadly.
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Anyone from here seeing the band in NYC on Saturday? Is there a DTF meetup?
Nope, if I go to anything that day it'll be Yestival in Philly. However I work that day and will likely end up doing neither.
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Anyone from here seeing the band in NYC on Saturday? Is there a DTF meetup?
Nope, if I go to anything that day it'll be Yestival in Philly. However I work that day and will likely end up doing neither.
Doesn't sound like ZepDT is going either. I was hoping a bunch of people from here would be attending, like the Flying Colors show last summer.
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I was with you until you said "better country". :p
Seriously though, Amazon's prices are pretty screwy. They can change drastically multiple times a day for no discernible reason.
To be fair, I never said 'better country'. No disrespect to America. Amazon genuinely tends to fuck us over on CD and DVD prices.
I have no problem with the US price being a little lower than the Canadian price, even if our dollar is doing better at the time, but Amazon were being complete assholes when I posted that. They lowered the price of the Winery Dogs album since then ($14 CAD vs $10 USD which is still bullshit), though they still have Impermanent Resonance at $18 CAD vs $10 USD, which is bigger bullshit, and honestly, I'll purchase from a non-Amazon source for more than that at this point, just on principal).
How do their prices compare to other Canadian retailers? Are there any additional costs in Canada, such as VAT or GST that may be incorporated into the price?
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Anyone from here seeing the band in NYC on Saturday? Is there a DTF meetup?
Nope, if I go to anything that day it'll be Yestival in Philly. However I work that day and will likely end up doing neither.
Doesn't sound like ZepDT is going either. I was hoping a bunch of people from here would be attending, like the Flying Colors show last summer.
I'll be at Marco festival that night. I don't know when the opportunity to seem him live will ever happen to me again.
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How do their prices compare to other Canadian retailers? Are there any additional costs in Canada, such as VAT or GST that may be incorporated into the price?
In addition to using any reason at all to incorporate higher costs INTO the actual product (duty, handling, customs, rust-proofing, undercoating, surcharge, additional overcharge, finder's fee, etc) we then also pay a national tax (5%) and then, depending on what province, you pay an extra tax (in BC it's another 7%).
I swear to cow it's ridiculous how much more things cost us when all they have to do is cross a line on a map. Even buying from "Canadian" retailers is a total rip.
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How do their prices compare to other Canadian retailers? Are there any additional costs in Canada, such as VAT or GST that may be incorporated into the price?
In addition to using any reason at all to incorporate higher costs INTO the actual product (duty, handling, customs, rust-proofing, undercoating, surcharge, additional overcharge, finder's fee, etc) we then also pay a national tax (5%) and then, depending on what province, you pay an extra tax (in BC it's another 7%).
I swear to cow it's ridiculous how much more things cost us when all they have to do is cross a line on a map. Even buying from "Canadian" retailers is a total rip.
I travel to Canada quite a bit simply because I love the country but I would say prices have really leveled out since our big recession in 2008. Overall, things are still more pricey in Canada but also keep in mind your minimum wage is higher and most of the jobs here have things like health insurance taken out of our paychecks and you guys...well yeah, healthcare. I actually looked up the Canadian tax rates and overall, if you make under $40,000 a year, your tax rates are about equivalent to us too and in some provinces are actually better. But yeah, Amazon sucks for Canadians (and Americans that have to buy stuff from Amazon.ca because our Amazon doesn't carry any CBC DVDs)
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I love Canada and love living here and everything is priced ok, just when you have to order stuff online is when it's insanely insane... like the opposite of especially special.
Also, in my last sentence I left out "online" before retailers so that was confusing.
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#27 on the US billboard charts. Pretty damn impressive.
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Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
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Apparently all three guys said that this band is now their main priority.
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Apparently all three guys said that this band is now their main priority.
Given the news in the two posts before yours, that wouldn't surprise me. I still need to grab this album.
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Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
Wow, so just to recap, the debut album from a side project sold 1.5 times more in its first week than Geoff Tate's "Queensryche" album.
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They have a full CD of cover songs already recorded which wil come out next year, and a live DVD was recorded on their second night in Japan.
This song kicks MAJOR a$$ but was cut from the final tracklist, and is only included as a bonus on some versions of their debut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QujWr3_zFE Doesn´t Richie sound a bit like Coverdale here?
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Doesn´t Richie sound a bit like Coverdale here?
Wow, yeah, I totally get that.
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Listened to the album a couple more times in preparation for the weekend (I'll be seeing them in NYC on Saturday). I think the album's really strong on the whole, and I'm starting to get more into songs I didn't find that interesting at first. Gotta say that I'm really excited for the future of this group -- the guys have indicated this is going to become sort of like their main project, and while MP also said that about AMob, I think they've got a lot of potential going forward.
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Listened to the album a couple more times in preparation for the weekend (I'll be seeing them in NYC on Saturday). I think the album's really strong on the whole, and I'm starting to get more into songs I didn't find that interesting at first. Gotta say that I'm really excited for the future of this group -- the guys have indicated this is going to become sort of like their main project, and while MP also said that about AMob, I think they've got a lot of potential going forward.
Same thing happened with me. On the first listen, I was "yeah, this is alright I guess", but after a couple more listens, I have grown to love the album.
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Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
That's great news for them. Glad to see the album doing pretty well.
Also, yeah, I really wanted Flying Colors to do a lot better than it did. I'm almost surprised that it didn't.
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They have a full CD of cover songs already recorded which wil come out next year, and a live DVD was recorded on their second night in Japan.
What, really? Ok, haha. That doesn't bother me, I won't listen to it though, even though I like the band enough.
Quick question, and I hope this doesn't sound offensive... but do any of you MP diehards really enjoy listening to MP endlessly cover songs with his various bands? A cover here and there is OK, but why must every project now have a CD of covers somewhere in the discography?
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Listened to the album a couple more times in preparation for the weekend (I'll be seeing them in NYC on Saturday). I think the album's really strong on the whole, and I'm starting to get more into songs I didn't find that interesting at first. Gotta say that I'm really excited for the future of this group -- the guys have indicated this is going to become sort of like their main project, and while MP also said that about AMob, I think they've got a lot of potential going forward.
Same thing happened with me. On the first listen, I was "yeah, this is alright I guess", but after a couple more listens, I have grown to love the album.
I think that´s the case with most of the music released nowadays. There´s so much output and it´s so accessible, that we rarely give time for songs to grow on us anymore. Also, it´s a case of loss of innocense - we´ve seen too much already, and take for granted most of the stuff that is released.
With the Winery Dogs though, I listened to the first songs they released but somehow they got stuck in my head days after I heard them...and I always found myself coming back to the youtube videos they released. Now it´s kind of addictive...every second or third day a new song off their CD kicks in and finds itself on repeat on my mp3 almost all day long. I honestly hope they´re here to stay!
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They have a full CD of cover songs already recorded which wil come out next year, and a live DVD was recorded on their second night in Japan.
What, really? Ok, haha. That doesn't bother me, I won't listen to it though, even though I like the band enough.
Quick question, and I hope this doesn't sound offensive... but do any of you MP diehards really enjoy listening to MP endlessly cover songs with his various bands? A cover here and there is OK, but why must every project now have a CD of covers somewhere in the discography?
It depends on which cover you´re talking about...I have the Adrenaline Mob covers album, and some of the songs work quite well (Romeo Delight, Kill the King), others not so much (Barracuda, Break on Through, Lemon Song). That was the case with DT as well. I really liked the bonus album off BCSL - they nailed each and every song here - but very often it just wouldn´t fit. The main reasons for that, at least in DT´s case, was that Jordan would come up with a keyboard part to replace something in the arrangement of the original song that would stick out like a sore thumb, or James´ voice not fitting with the song so well.
In the case of The Winery Dogs, I´d say you have a point. They´re on a good track, why not focusing on a brand new CD next year and leave the covers for the future?
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Just picked this up. I expected to like it, but I am surprised at how catchy it is.
One thing I was silently afraid of is that Mike would overdrum for this kind of music. He does. And it absolutely works! :tup It could be argued that all three guys overplay a bit. But it really works for filling the sonic space that often sounds a bit empty with 3-piece bands. Bands like Rush and King's X that somehow manage to sound huge as a 3-piece have really hit on something rare and special. These guys defintiely do that.
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Hey guys, just got back from the NYC show. It was pretty incredible, all in all. They played the entire album and a few covers; many of the songs from the record were extended with extra jamming and soloing. A few observations:
- All of the guys were in top form. I learned Richie doesn't play with a pick. Billy and Mike were having a lot of fun; Richie didn't seem as into it, maybe a little more distracted or focused or something. I've never seen him perform before so that could just be what his stage presence is like.
- Billy and Mike both got solos, and Richie had a chance to perform an acoustic number alone, so each of the guys got their own time to shine. Mike usually tours with bigger kits than he had this time around, so during his solo he jokingly mimed hitting drums that weren't there. Pretty funny.
- The full title of the event was "Eddie Trunk presents The Winery Dogs", and he quite literally did that before the show. He talked a bit about the band's formation, his radio show, yada yada. He also announced a few of the upcoming events at the club (it was BB King's). They were Saxon and Fozzy (scattered cheers), Rik Emmett (cheers), and Bret Michaels (scattered boos).
- Jolly was a lot of fun; I hadn't heard them before, but they really impressed me. The "centerpiece" of their set was a very long, mostly instrumental piece mainly in 7/8 (anyone know the one)? Anyway, the pulse was reminiscent of The Great Debate, which a girl standing near me pointed out to a friend after the set. "Of course," she later expressed, "that's real Dream Theater, not Dead Dream Theater." I'm not certain what Dead Dream Theater is, but my powers of introspection tell me that she may be talking about post-Portnoy Dream Theater. Hanging out on DTF you never hear that opinion, but people definitely have it.
All in all it was a really great show and I'd see them again in a heartbeat. I'm really hoping this side project sticks around.
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Yeah, definitely an excellent show tonight. While Flying Colors is still my favorite of the post-DT Portnoy adventures, Winery Dogs is right up there and I'd love to see these guys record and tour regularly. This was my first time seeing the other two guys perform, and despite his reputation preceding him, I was still blown away by Billy Sheehan's playing. Richie was killer as well, and his voice definitely holds up strongly live.
Also, my friend and I camped out right by what turned out to be the tables held for MP's guests, and I just have to say that his wife was super nice to the both of us, and I ended up watching the last five or so songs from his family's table :hat
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Awesome stories, both of you. :tup
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Richie didn't seem as into it, maybe a little more distracted or focused or something. I've never seen him perform before so that could just be what his stage presence is like.
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I noticed that in the Rio show as well, and said that to a few friends who were at the show. They´d seen Richie´s solo show in Rio - he´s been here a few times - and said he´s exactly the same. My wife and I were standing right in front of him, and he seemed kind of detached in the first two or three songs, but then he seemed to "land" and opened up. As one of my friends said, "he seems to be in another dimension sometimes". But the man can shred and sing, and that´s a VERY rare combination, right?
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Listening through this album today on the drive to and from work and loving it. They were in my backyard last night, in Lancaster, PA. While I was in NJ, seeing Black Sabbath. Kinda bummed that I missed them when they were SO close to home. But I'm sure they'll be around for me to see them.
Also, I'm pleased to see more people being exposed to Billy Sheehan's playing. Most people know Billy as "that guy from that band that did To Be With You". Rage ensues when I hear that. The guy is an absolute monster and I'm really happy he's back in a band like this. His stuff from his original 3-piece, Talas, back in the 80's was pretty awesome stuff. You hear some old Talas recordings and his bass tone will literally make you shit your pants. Back then, the kind of stuff he does was pretty out of the ordinary. Most people would plod along on E or A. He plays in the pocket and manages to fill in with licks to make it interesting. Sort of like Paul McCartney or Paul Samwell-Smith or Andy Fraser did, except he clearly took it to a whole new level. Being known by most people as the "To Be With You" bass player is borderline criminal. :lol
There are things about this group that sound like later Mr. Big, which makes sense, given that RK was in Mr. Big for a while. The chorus of Elevate is a good example. Some of the interplay between the two of them is very reminiscent of the old Sheehan/Gilbert licks, with the unison solo lines (again, good examples in Elevate). So while there's some Mr. Big in their sound, there's enough other things going on to give it distinction and keep it from being a Mr. Big clone. I love it.
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Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
Not surprised at all. The music is more "traditional" and as such more easily marketable. Promoters are also getting more behind it and there is an extensive tour in support of the album.
For what its worth, more people know who Kotzen and Sheehan are than know anyone in Flying Colors.
That said. I still think Flying Colors will hang around longer.
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Wow, I'm REALLY loving "Damaged".
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Wow, I'm REALLY loving "Damaged".
Damaged is incredible.
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Wow, I'm REALLY loving "Damaged".
Dude, wait until all the other songs in the album creep into your brain...you´ll put them on repeat all day! That was the case for me with Criminal, I´m no Angel, The Other Side etc etc.
Of all projects MP put together after leaving DT, this is the one I´m hoping sticks around for longer. They put on a great show, almost Rush-like, in the sense that you´re never sure where to look: all three guys are kickin´a$$ at the same time!!!
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Just got back from seeing them live. It was a great show. they all seemed to love playing the music and the crowd was pretty into it too. I dont think i would actually have listened to the winery dogs tho if it wasnt for portnoy. Still a great show :metal
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Great show in Newton NJ last night. These 3 guys were phenomenal. The only thing that struck me as odd is that Richie seemed amazingly seriousfor the majority of the show. Most of the time, you couldn't really tell if he was having a good time. Great vocals and great guitarwork, though. My head was on swivel all night going from watching one guy to the next to the next and back. Sweet venue, too. Makes the Morristown Community Theater look like Madison Square Garden. Marlene was sitting in the aisle behind me for the last 30 minutes or so of the show.
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Great show in Newton NJ last night. These 3 guys were phenomenal. The only thing that struck me as odd is that Richie seemed amazingly seriousfor the majority of the show. Most of the time, you couldn't really tell if he was having a good time. Great vocals and great guitarwork, though. My head was on swivel all night going from watching one guy to the next to the next and back. Sweet venue, too. Makes the Morristown Community Theater look like Madison Square Garden. Marlene was sitting in the aisle behind me for the last 30 minutes or so of the show.
I thought the venue was great! I'm sure 4th row right center had something to do with it. Aside from the acoustic stuff, I'd only heard one song (Yes, I'm looking at you Nick) on Internet radio.
Picked up the CDs the day before at the meet and greet.
Anytime you can see Sheehan and Portnoy in a ticketbastard/jive nationless context is always a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. Last time I saw Sheehan was more than 20 years ago wehn Mr. Big opened for Rush a few times. I'm sure I had other things on my mind then and in the years since I've become a lot more familiar with him through his solo stuff and Niacin and his work with Terry Bozzio.
The guy is just incredible.....almost like Geddy Lee on steroids with more attitude and it was great to see him and Portnoy play off of each other. The album itself seems to be more of a grower and not really in my wheelhouse but there is some good stuff here. It's a decent start anyway. I wasn't thinking of seeing them live again for this tour, but I just might if things work out.
Strangely, I was able to get my ticket two weeks ago (Had no idea they would play here until after tickets went on sale.) and there must have been a lot of promotional backing and radio because I think the venue was nearly full.
For some strange reason, I think a Flying Colors/Winery Dogs concert would be a great double bill. I don't seem them as being all that different (Aside from a slight style shift.)
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For some strange reason, I think a Flying Colors/Winery Dogs concert would be a great double bill. I don't seem them as being all that different (Aside from a slight style shift.)
o_O?
They make utterly different music, IMHO.
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For some strange reason, I think a Flying Colors/Winery Dogs concert would be a great double bill. I don't seem them as being all that different (Aside from a slight style shift.)
o_O?
They make utterly different music, IMHO.
I think the root of both are closer together. Both vocalists are very accessible, there are goodies for those that are looking for them despite the accessibilty. Sure one is heavier than the other and has more "pop" elements than the other and the end result is a different place, but I think they start in the same zip code.
Does that make any sense? That's what I get out of it anyway.
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For some strange reason, I think a Flying Colors/Winery Dogs concert would be a great double bill. I don't seem them as being all that different (Aside from a slight style shift.)
o_O?
They make utterly different music, IMHO.
I think the root of both are closer together. Both vocalists are very accessible, there are goodies for those that are looking for them despite the accessibilty. Sure one is heavier than the other and has more "pop" elements than the other and the end result is a different place, but I think they start in the same zip code.
Does that make any sense? That's what I get out of it anyway.
Maybe since Mike's reading the thread right now.......? :P
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I had no idea.
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I had no idea.
No, I know. What I meant to imply was that it would be cool if he'd been reading this and you'd planted the seed of a double bill in his head. I kinda think that'd have come across better if I'd quoted just your initial post.
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The Winery Dogs was the first time heard about this Kotzen guy. What a great player! And cool looking telecaster.
This is the good shit
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The Winery Dogs was the first time heard about this Kotzen guy. What a great player! And cool looking telecaster.
This is the good shit
If you haven't already, try Mr Big's Actual Size that Kotzen is on. He's not the singer but Eric Martin is still pretty good. :biggrin:
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The Winery Dogs was the first time heard about this Kotzen guy. What a great player! And cool looking telecaster.
This is the good shit
If you haven't already, try Mr Big's Actual Size that Kotzen is on. He's not the singer but Eric Martin is still pretty good. :biggrin:
Ok! I've never listened to Mr.Big
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Oh my, oh my. Gotta check out Mr. Big. Their second album, Lean Into It was probably their biggest, on the strength of the song "To Be With You", which was about as non-representative of what the band was about as possible. It's like how Extreme, a hard rock band, got well known for the Everly Borthers-ish song "More Than Words".
The first Mr. Big album has more chops than a butcher shop on it and I love it. Lean Into It and Bump Ahead are both quite good also.
As much as I like what Richie brings to the Winery Dogs, I don't think I was as much a fan of "Get Over It" and "Actual Size", though in fairness, I'm not sure if I ever FINISHED listening to "Actual Size". Though my disdain for those wasn't necessarily because of Richie. I'm a HUGE Paul Gilbert fan and his departure kinda took a lot of the wind out of my sails. I did get to see them live with Richie though, and he totally owned it.
So anyway, yeah, definitely check out Mr. Big.
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Oh my, oh my. Gotta check out Mr. Big. Their second album, Lean Into It was probably their biggest, on the strength of the song "To Be With You", which was about as non-representative of what the band was about as possible. It's like how Extreme, a hard rock band, got well known for the Everly Borthers-ish song "More Than Words".
The first Mr. Big album has more chops than a butcher shop on it and I love it. Lean Into It and Bump Ahead are both quite good also.
As much as I like what Richie brings to the Winery Dogs, I don't think I was as much a fan of "Get Over It" and "Actual Size", though in fairness, I'm not sure if I ever FINISHED listening to "Actual Size". Though my disdain for those wasn't necessarily because of Richie. I'm a HUGE Paul Gilbert fan and his departure kinda took a lot of the wind out of my sails. I did get to see them live with Richie though, and he totally owned it.
So anyway, yeah, definitely check out Mr. Big.
I really don't like Get Over It but Actual size surprised me alot. Those first 2 Mr Big albums were great though. I kinda fell out of love with them after that and only recently got Actual Size. Kotzen's own stuff doesn't do alot for me but his album with Poison (Native Tongue) was very good- he had a big influence on the sound.
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Oh my, oh my. Gotta check out Mr. Big. Their second album, Lean Into It was probably their biggest, on the strength of the song "To Be With You", which was about as non-representative of what the band was about as possible. It's like how Extreme, a hard rock band, got well known for the Everly Borthers-ish song "More Than Words".
The first Mr. Big album has more chops than a butcher shop on it and I love it. Lean Into It and Bump Ahead are both quite good also.
As much as I like what Richie brings to the Winery Dogs, I don't think I was as much a fan of "Get Over It" and "Actual Size", though in fairness, I'm not sure if I ever FINISHED listening to "Actual Size". Though my disdain for those wasn't necessarily because of Richie. I'm a HUGE Paul Gilbert fan and his departure kinda took a lot of the wind out of my sails. I did get to see them live with Richie though, and he totally owned it.
So anyway, yeah, definitely check out Mr. Big.
I feel like Richie is a poor mans everything. He's never made it and there's a reason why. He's a decent player but you just can't replace Paul Gilbert, it's impossible. He's also just an ok singer with zero originality in his voice.
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It was mentioned in a previous thread that he could be called the Ted McGinley of rock, since Poison and Mr. Big faltered after his arrival in each band. However, as noted, both bands were on the cusp of the grunge era at the time, so I know it really had more to do with that than with Richie's involvement.
I've seen people mention not liking his voice or it sounding strained or tired or whatever it may be, but I really like it. Obviously the first thing it sounds like to me is Chris Cornell, but I think it's just different enough that you know it's obviously not CC. I really dig it.
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It was mentioned in a previous thread that he could be called the Ted McGinley of rock, since Poison and Mr. Big faltered after his arrival in each band. However, as noted, both bands were on the cusp of the grunge era at the time, so I know it really had more to do with that than with Richie's involvement.
I've seen people mention not liking his voice or it sounding strained or tired or whatever it may be, but I really like it. Obviously the first thing it sounds like to me is Chris Cornell, but I think it's just different enough that you know it's obviously not CC. I really dig it.
But he's never made an impact on music in anything he's done. He's just not good enough or creative enough. He's released a bunch of records and none of them are highly regarded.
I don't mean to slam the guy but he's definitely the anomaly in the band when you have two masters of their instrument.
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It was mentioned in a previous thread that he could be called the Ted McGinley of rock, since Poison and Mr. Big faltered after his arrival in each band. However, as noted, both bands were on the cusp of the grunge era at the time, so I know it really had more to do with that than with Richie's involvement.
I've seen people mention not liking his voice or it sounding strained or tired or whatever it may be, but I really like it. Obviously the first thing it sounds like to me is Chris Cornell, but I think it's just different enough that you know it's obviously not CC. I really dig it.
And in Poison it was obvious he wasn't CC too :lol
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:rollin
Oh, you're bad. Although I could very easily point out that the fact that he was't C.C. amounted to points in his favor. :lol
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Try Richie's work on an album called TILT, which he made with Greg Howe. It's a shredfest of a record, I love it.
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For some strange reason, I think a Flying Colors/Winery Dogs concert would be a great double bill. I don't seem them as being all that different (Aside from a slight style shift.)
o_O?
They make utterly different music, IMHO.
I was trying to think of the two most disparate artists to have on a bill. . .
Imagine how hilarious it would be if Erasure opened for Cannibal Corpse :lol
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html)
"The Winery Dogs have really been hitting it off in recent months, so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that drummer Mike Portnoy now considers the supergroup rock trio as his new home. During a recent chat on "Eddie Trunk Live" radio show, Portnoy underlined that the Winery Dogs are not a side project like the other bands he's involved with, but his primary group."
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#27 on the US billboard charts. Pretty damn impressive.
Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
Gee I wonder why...
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html)
"The Winery Dogs have really been hitting it off in recent months, so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that drummer Mike Portnoy now considers the supergroup rock trio as his new home. During a recent chat on "Eddie Trunk Live" radio show, Portnoy underlined that the Winery Dogs are not a side project like the other bands he's involved with, but his primary group."
We'll see how that holds up in a few months when something else comes along.
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This is getting ridiculous.
I call RK to be the one bowing out first.
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html)
"The Winery Dogs have really been hitting it off in recent months, so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that drummer Mike Portnoy now considers the supergroup rock trio as his new home. During a recent chat on "Eddie Trunk Live" radio show, Portnoy underlined that the Winery Dogs are not a side project like the other bands he's involved with, but his primary group."
Oh dear...
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#27 on the US billboard charts. Pretty damn impressive.
Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
Gee I wonder why...
You make it sound obvious, when I'd really like to know why.
I think Dave LaRue and Steve Morse probably have the combined pull of Billy Sheehan, and I think the Flying Colors disc was stronger. I do really wonder why Flying Colors did so poorly compared to this (hell, it even sold less than AMob)
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Wasn't Shoulda Coulda Woulda the single from it? I know it had a lyric video. That probably didn't help since that song blows. Kayla or The Storm should have been pushed, since those were the two most obviously catchy songs with a chance to get any mainstream appeal. Never underestimate how a bad first single can sink an album when it comes to sales nowadays, especially when the band is a virtual unknown.
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Yeah, The Storm really should have been the lead single off that album.
I like Shoulda Coulda Woulda, but it definitely wouldn't have as wide an appeal as some of the other tracks, and isn't nearly as representative of the overall sound of the album.
I think Love Is What I'm Waiting For would have been a great second single too.
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#27 on the US billboard charts. Pretty damn impressive.
Yeah, with 10,000+ units being sold. Frankly I'm shocked by that number. It's sad that Flyers Colors only came to half that.
Gee I wonder why...
You make it sound obvious, when I'd really like to know why.
I think Dave LaRue and Steve Morse probably have the combined pull of Billy Sheehan, and I think the Flying Colors disc was stronger. I do really wonder why Flying Colors did so poorly compared to this (hell, it even sold less than AMob)
Not surprised at all. The music is more "traditional" and as such more easily marketable. Promoters are also getting more behind it and there is an extensive tour in support of the album.
For what its worth, more people know who Kotzen and Sheehan are than know anyone in Flying Colors.
That said. I still think Flying Colors will hang around longer.
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I would agree. Flying Colors has a solid support from prog fans, and prog fans stick to the bands they like for quite some time. Winery Dogs is a quick blip of interest in the rock world, but the rock world is big, and the album is just not strong enough to generate any real momentum. It drops off rapidly after the songs released as singles.
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I guess this is just me, but I had never heard the name Kotzen prior to the news of this band.
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Ditto.
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I guess this is just me, but I had never heard the name Kotzen prior to the news of this band.
Me either
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I guess this is just me, but I had never heard the name Kotzen prior to the news of this band.
I had heard of him, but I was never remotely into any of his prior work such as Poison or Mr. Big.
I've been told I might like his prior solo stuff, but I never followed up on it.
I'll say one thing for him. He's got a nice set of pipes.
If Sheehan and Portnoy weren't in this band to geek out live, I wouldn't have given the band a second thought to be honest.
If those guys continue to bring it live, I've got no problem checking them out again. I can never get enough of that.
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I don't mean to slam the guy but he's definitely the anomaly in the band when you have two masters of their instrument.
You could argue he's not quite as good a guitarist as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. You could argue he's not quite as good a singer as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. But he's no slouch at either and he's filling both roles.
In terms of songwriting I don't think the other two have anything to particularly write home about as individuals.
Kotzen fits in quite nicely IMO.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html)
"Adrenaline Mob, we gave it our best shot, but this, right from the get-go, it just feels great within the band - the internal chemistry is amazing - and also the external reaction has been just off the charts, unanimously supportive and positive."
I wonder if MP's gotten over the conceit that people weren't taking to AMob because "it's not prog" at last?
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I've heard of Richie Kotzen since around 1990. Just seems very odd to me that he's seemingly so unknown.
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html)
"The Winery Dogs have really been hitting it off in recent months, so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that drummer Mike Portnoy now considers the supergroup rock trio as his new home. During a recent chat on "Eddie Trunk Live" radio show, Portnoy underlined that the Winery Dogs are not a side project like the other bands he's involved with, but his primary group."
How is this news? Way back, when MP clarified which of his bands were "real bands" vs which were "side projects" he listed AMob, and the band that would eventually evolve into The Winery Dogs as his 2 "real bands". Now that he is no longer in AMob, that leaves just one "real band".
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Just picked this record up over the weekend. Overall, its pretty good! I've always been a fan of blues-based rock, so I enjoyed this album, I have only listened to the whole thing about 2 times and I can tell it's a pretty solid effort.
It does get stale in the middle for me, I think it starts off strong and finishes strong, but the middle of the album hasn't stuck with me. I really like Richie ( I had never heard of him either before this project) on this record. His guitar work is pretty cool and his voice is obviously great. I will say that his voice sounds great on certain tracks and not so great on others though. Billy sounds killer as always and Mike sounds pretty good too. Mike plays well on this, nothing to impressive, and he continues to play A LOT of the same fills he has been using for years now, but overall he sounds good as well.
A few tracks that stick out as immediate favorites are: Elevate, Regret, The Dying, and Time Machine. Like I said I have only listened through the album twice so, those are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
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I don't mean to slam the guy but he's definitely the anomaly in the band when you have two masters of their instrument.
You could argue he's not quite as good a guitarist as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. You could argue he's not quite as good a singer as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. But he's no slouch at either and he's filling both roles.
In terms of songwriting I don't think the other two have anything to particularly write home about as individuals.
Kotzen fits in quite nicely IMO.
Exactly.
He fills a need and gets the job done.
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Just got this album and I think it is great. It has a great sound to it and vibe. Great musicianship and lead vocals, catchy, rocking.. it pretty much has everything a good rock album needs.
I hope they keep going with this band.
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Found this footage this week of them playing in São Paulo last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXsXFeQOQ-Y
I like the live version of Criminal even more than the studio one! MP seems really happy in the new band, and I hope it keeps going.
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one of the comments on that video
(https://puu.sh/46zb5.png)
:lol
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WHAT SOUND
WHAT RHYTHM
WHAT GREAT !!!
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I don't mean to slam the guy but he's definitely the anomaly in the band when you have two masters of their instrument.
You could argue he's not quite as good a guitarist as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. You could argue he's not quite as good a singer as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. But he's no slouch at either and he's filling both roles.
In terms of songwriting I don't think the other two have anything to particularly write home about as individuals.
Kotzen fits in quite nicely IMO.
Exactly.
He fills a need and gets the job done.
I wish I was as shit on guitar as Kotzen.
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WHAT SOUND
WHAT RHYTHM
WHAT GREAT !!!
So energy...power!!!
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Didn't feel like this warranted it's own thread - but Derek Sherinian has joined Joe Bonamassa's solo band.
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But what does that have to do with The Winery Dawgz?
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He was part of the MP, DS, BS, WHoever the fuq else project :P
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but... Portnoy Sherinian MacAlpine Sheehan has their own thread :lol
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There's also a Black Country Communion thread...
OMG
a BCC / WD tour would be amazing
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Winery Dogs should tour with Audioslave.
They both sound the same.
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a BCC / WD tour would be amazing
It's BCC on an indefinite hiatus thanks to some Glen Hughes/Joe Bonamasa drama?
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Winery Dogs should tour with Audioslave.
They both sound the same.
hur hur hur :tdwn
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Winery Dogs should tour with Audioslave.
They both sound the same.
Aside from the idea that Kotzen's voice is similar to Chris Cornell's, they don't sound remotely like each other. Are you really going to say that Kotzen and Tom Morello's guitar playing are at all similar? Not to even mention how Billy Sheehan compares to Tim Commerford.
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I´m not sure how this went down exactly, but Rolling Stone Brazil had an article about Portnoy arguing with the guy who was responsible for the lighs at the Winery Dogs show in São Paulo. I went to the Rio show so I didn´t see any of that.
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I know this is a shot in the dark but is there anyone here who was at last month's show at the Newton Theater in Newton NJ who might have an extra ticket stub? I have virtually every stub to every one of the 200+ concerts I've been to and I can't find my ticket from that show. I'd gladly throw someone a few bucks on PayPal for your efforts. It was such a good show! Please PM me if you can help me out.
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Does the Winery Dogs have a forum? If they do that also may be a good place to ask.
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Not really here to rant about the Winery Dogs, but honestly, after so many great praises, I decided to pick up the album, and I found it to be so incredibly uninteresting, it was fairly disappointing. I will give it a few more listens and hope that it grows on me, but as far as first impressions go, I liked A-Mob's Omerta better.
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New video...
Damn, I love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhxvnMDf2E
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So yea I was gonna go see them in Agoura Hills tonight... but $50 a ticket after fees is really too steep for me.
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New video...
Damn, I love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhxvnMDf2E
Pretty Cool.
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My mind is blown that Kotzen can do what he does, without even using a pick.
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My mind is blown that Kotzen can do what he does, without even using a pick.
Agreed, but I'm pretty sure the solo during the fast section is recorded with a pick, if you listen to the live versions the solo doesn't sound like on the record
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Now that some time has passed I revisited the album Yesterday. It's good, 7 out of 10. Its not an album that will stand the test of time though for me. I hope the second album is better.
I find it funny that Mike has proclaimed this is feature project, and not just one of his many side projects. He is riding high that they sold out a bunch of small venues. He even mentioned no band he has ever been in has ever had such a string of sold out shows. Is that a slight to DT? When you sell out the size venues DT plays then the statement has some validity.
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Now that some time has passed I revisited the album Yesterday. It's good, 7 out of 10. Its not an album that will stand the test of time though for me. I hope the second album is better.
I find it funny that Mike has proclaimed this is feature project, and not just one of his many side projects. He is riding high that they sold out a bunch of small venues. He even mentioned no band he has ever been in has ever had such a string of sold out shows. Is that a slight to DT? When you sell out the size venues DT plays then the statement has some validity.
I think the record accomplishes exactly what they wanted in the first place: a straight out rock record with tinges of 70´s bands like Grand Funk Railroad, Zeppelin etc. I still listen to it, much more often than ADTOE for example.
However, just like all other projects MP has been involved in, it needs some following up. I´m probably one of the very few people in the planet who liked Adrenaline Mob, but was expecting them to improve on their second album. Flying Colours is great, but they need more studio albums and more time on the road to solidify their reputation, and we all know this isn´t gonna happen because of the member´s other projects/main bands. PSMS was just a bunch of guys covering their past bands and projects, and as far as I know, they don´t have plans to make this into a band and record an album.
The Winery Dogs´ first album is an 8.5/10 for me, and I hope they give this band the necessary time to grow. Like you said, selling out 500-seat venues is not something to brag about, by any means - it´s just MP`s way of saying how happy he is with the new project. They need to spend more time on the road, make another album, play in a festival to reach broader audiences etc. I hope that at least one of MP´s projects develops into his main band soon. I like all his output since he left DT, but the man needs a home and a steady band.
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:lol he should do a tour of 100 people venues and say " My tour is completely sold out : ) MP "
Well yeah :neverusethis:
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Now that some time has passed I revisited the album Yesterday. It's good, 7 out of 10. Its not an album that will stand the test of time though for me. I hope the second album is better.
I find it funny that Mike has proclaimed this is feature project, and not just one of his many side projects. He is riding high that they sold out a bunch of small venues. He even mentioned no band he has ever been in has ever had such a string of sold out shows. Is that a slight to DT? When you sell out the size venues DT plays then the statement has some validity.
I think the record accomplishes exactly what they wanted in the first place: a straight out rock record with tinges of 70´s bands like Grand Funk Railroad, Zeppelin etc. I still listen to it, much more often than ADTOE for example.
However, just like all other projects MP has been involved in, it needs some following up. I´m probably one of the very few people in the planet who liked Adrenaline Mob, but was expecting them to improve on their second album. Flying Colours is great, but they need more studio albums and more time on the road to solidify their reputation, and we all know this isn´t gonna happen because of the member´s other projects/main bands. PSMS was just a bunch of guys covering their past bands and projects, and as far as I know, they don´t have plans to make this into a band and record an album.
The Winery Dogs´ first album is an 8.5/10 for me, and I hope they give this band the necessary time to grow. Like you said, selling out 500-seat venues is not something to brag about, by any means - it´s just MP`s way of saying how happy he is with the new project. They need to spend more time on the road, make another album, play in a festival to reach broader audiences etc. I hope that at least one of MP´s projects develops into his main band soon. I like all his output since he left DT, but the man needs a home and a steady band.
8.5 is too generous. Its a sound album but it sounds rushed at times. His drum part towards the end of Time Machine is totally out of place and doesn't work in that song. Stuff like that is what I think was rushed and not well thought out. I feel the same way about Flying Colors in certain songs.
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Just noticed today that they're playing tomorrow night in SF. Gotta figure out a way to get to this show.
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Not really here to rant about the Winery Dogs, but honestly, after so many great praises, I decided to pick up the album, and I found it to be so incredibly uninteresting, it was fairly disappointing. I will give it a few more listens and hope that it grows on me, but as far as first impressions go, I liked A-Mob's Omerta better.
Omertà is 10 times better! IMHO.
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Just noticed today that they're playing tomorrow night in SF. Gotta figure out a way to get to this show.
wish i could be at this one :'(
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Just noticed today that they're playing tomorrow night in SF. Gotta figure out a way to get to this show.
wish i could be at this one :'(
Oh yeah, forgot you're a Bay Area dude as well. I'm heading up to my parents for a few days, wouldn't be able to hit the show anyways. Kinda bummed, really wanted to see MP tear up a five piece too.
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I saw Portnoy and the Winery Dogs play a hometown show last night on Long Island. Portnoy wasn't happy with the energy level of his hometown crowd early in the show. After the first song, he politely ripped the crowd for standing with their arms folded and said: "That's not the Long Island I remember.... I want to see more of this!" (He raised his hands into the air). In this video, you can see him urging the crowd to show more energy in spots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maPM-c3Vs_E
Later in the show he complimented their energy, which was good. It was a nice show. This band is pretty darn good.
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Eddie trunk's " Fave album of 2013 " is Winery Dogs.
No Surprise There!!! :lol
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Eddie trunk's " Fave album of 2013 " is Winery Dogs.
No Surprise There!!! :lol
It's not because hes friends with them or he had something to do with their formation. Did you know he had something to do with their formation? He did. He doesn't mention it much except for anytime the Winery Dogs is brought up.
I remember when he put Omerta on his top 10 list. I don't doubt that he loves Winery Dogs (in part because he had something to do with their formation) but c'mon, everybody knew he was bullshit about Adrenaline Mob.
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I saw Portnoy and the Winery Dogs play a hometown show last night on Long Island. Portnoy wasn't happy with the energy level of his hometown crowd early in the show. After the first song, he politely ripped the crowd for standing with their arms folded and said: "That's not the Long Island I remember.... I want to see more of this!" (He raised his hands into the air). In this video, you can see him urging the crowd to show more energy in spots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maPM-c3Vs_E
Later in the show he complimented their energy, which was good. It was a nice show. This band is pretty darn good.
hahaha! for that, Portnoy, need come Indonesia!!!!
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Set for release in April, THE WINERY DOGS SPECIAL EDITION will be comprised of two-CDs. Disc 1 is the standard album and Disc 2 is entitled UNLEASHED IN JAPAN 2013, comprised of 10 songs recorded live in Japan during their July ’13 tour including “Criminal,” a track previously unavailable in the U.S., along with a 16-page booklet of live photos and lyrics. A deluxe package for die-hard fans will be released simultaneously. DOG TREATS: THE WINERY DOGS DELUXE SPECIAL EDITION will be sold in a box resembling a box of dog treats, and will include the SPECIAL EDITION collection of music, a DVD featuring four music videos and interview footage, demos from the original recording sessions, a “studio diary” written by Mike Portnoy, as well as some unique merchandise unavailable elsewhere.
source: https://loudandproudrecords.com/the-winery-dogs-release-a-special-edition-and-a-deluxe-edition-of-their-self-titled-debut-including-live-songs-original-demos-videos-interviews-and-exclusive-merchandise/#.Ut6ra7_0Cu4
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Oh man, this will be awesome! They were going to release the recording in Japan as a DVD, but since it was only their second show EVER, it seems they have changed their minds. I´m looking forward to this, and to another studio album!
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And now I know why I didn't buy the album already. Apparently I was waiting for this!
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Oh man, this will be awesome! They were going to release the recording in Japan as a DVD, but since it was only their second show EVER, it seems they have changed their minds. I´m looking forward to this, and to another studio album!
Actually, they did release a live DVD/2CD set in Japan titled Unleashed In Japan 2013. The DVD is region 2 and exclusive to the Japanese/Asian market, and while I haven't yet checked, I'm sure the import prices aren't worth it.
-Marc.
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Ugh. This crap annoys the hell out of me. This is great bonus material, but it should be released with the NEXT album, not just a re-hash of the first one.
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Ugh. This crap annoys the hell out of me. This is great bonus material, but it should be released with the NEXT album, not just a re-hash of the first one.
Yeah I'm a bit miffed. Don't burn the folks who went out and snatched up your disc on release day.
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For those who already bought the original CD and are not interested in the Special Edition set;
Unleashed In Japan audio will be available digitally as a stand-alone.
This will include five songs that are not on the original album.
1. ELEVATE
2. CRIMINAL *
3. TIME MACHINE
4. I'M NO ANGEL
5. NOT HOPELESS
6. STAND *
7. YOU CAN'T SAVE ME *
8. SHINE *
9. FOOLED AROUND AND FELL IN LOVE *
10. DESIRE
* Not On Studio Album
The Dog Treats Box is a limited edition item.
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Criminal is on my original studio album (good song) - must be a couple of different versions or something.
Looks like I'm missing Time Machine but got Criminal vs the standard track listing.
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Criminal is on my original studio album (good song) - must be a couple of different versions or something.
Looks like I'm missing Time Machine but got Criminal vs the standard track listing.
I have Criminal, but not Time Machine (US version here). Although Amazon's MP3 list suggests that Criminal (Track 11 here) may actually be called Time Machine. I wonder if the gracenote DB is screwed up.
Though my track #11 is 5:08 and Amazon's MP3 track 11 is 4:44
*Edit: My lyrics for track #11 match Criminal. So I wonder why Amazon MP3 has a different track listing, iTunes MP3 track listing matches Amazon MP3's.
Why the hell are they different? God damned that's annoying. IT's not even a "Special Edition" track or anything. Winery Dogs own web store lists track #11 as Time Machine as well.
I just listened to TIme Machine on Amazon's Cloudplayer (Since they gave it to me free with my CD purchase).. it's definitely a different track. I'm so confused now.
WTF.
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Good to see that they're making the bonus stuff available as a standalone. I've always hated when bonus tracks get released on 'special re-releases' or compilations. When that happens, it just feels like penalizing the fans who supported the band early on.
The Criminal/Time Machine thing is weird. In theory, Criminal is from the Japanese version of the album and Time Machine is from the version released elsewhere (or at least North America). My CD copy which I got here in Canada has Time Machine, but I've seen Criminal on a lot of North American online listings (including digital ones, so it's not just coming across import copies).
Eh. As long as there's a way to get both without having to double dip.
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Ugh. This crap annoys the hell out of me. This is great bonus material, but it should be released with the NEXT album, not just a re-hash of the first one.
This completely.
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Ugh. This crap annoys the hell out of me. This is great bonus material, but it should be released with the NEXT album, not just a re-hash of the first one.
This completely.
Don't tell that to Mike Portnoy.
(from twitter) Mike Portnoy @MikePortnoy Jan 21
.@johndaintree Relax dude! when we put out the debut last year, there was no way to know how it would be received...now we know! #lightenup
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Ugh. This crap annoys the hell out of me. This is great bonus material, but it should be released with the NEXT album, not just a re-hash of the first one.
This completely.
Don't tell that to Mike Portnoy.
(from twitter) Mike Portnoy @MikePortnoy Jan 21
.@johndaintree Relax dude! when we put out the debut last year, there was no way to know how it would be received...now we know! #lightenup
I'm surprised to hear that from Mike, as he's always been pretty good with getting good content to the fans. Is it hard to understand the frustration of people who bought something, and you are now asking them to buy it over again? Like I said, this is great stuff, and the doggie pack thing is a great idea, and if you put that out with the next album, it would be absolutely stellar!
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Ugh. This crap annoys the hell out of me. This is great bonus material, but it should be released with the NEXT album, not just a re-hash of the first one.
This completely.
Don't tell that to Mike Portnoy.
(from twitter) Mike Portnoy @MikePortnoy Jan 21
.@johndaintree Relax dude! when we put out the debut last year, there was no way to know how it would be received...now we know! #lightenup
This is a complete douchebag response. I won't be spending a cent on this re-release.
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Something to think about I suppose.
Perhaps I'll sell my autographed original copy from the release party to fund this.
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Something to think about I suppose.
Perhaps I'll sell my autographed original copy from the release party to fund this.
How much? :metal
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Something to think about I suppose.
Perhaps I'll sell my autographed original copy from the release party to fund this.
How much? :metal
PM sent!
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Just saw this.... Interesting idea, just glancing at the prices though, they seem way too steep for me to even think about going...
The Winery Dogs excitedly kick off “Dog Camp” this summer. The immersive program for aspiring musicians of all ages and levels will take over Full Moon Resort in Big Indian, NY from July 21 – 25, and it sees the band’s iconic members Mike Portnoy, Billy Sheehan, and Richie Kotzen host an unforgettable program. This is the opportunity for campers to get up close and personal with three legends as they attend instrument-specific clinics, learn songwriting mechanics, and enjoy intimate performances from the group. The dogs are loose….
We’ve all done clinics over the years. In fact, it’s hard to even keep track of how many we’ve done at this point. There are some great memories associated with them too, but it’s always something that’s primarily centered around one instrument. It’s also something that each of us has typically done an individual basis. Dog Camp is the first time that any of us have hosted or participated in (and maybe a first-ever!) a true “Band Camp.” As a result of that, we’ve got some incredible surprises in store for everybody attending.
“I actually stopped doing clinics about eleven years ago because I needed a break from the standard format,” exclaims Mike Portnoy. “That’s what’s so cool about Dog Camp though. It’s not typical by any stretch of the imagination. It’s about learning how to be in a band and succeed as a unit. We wanted to do this together and give everybody an experience they’ll never forget. I can’t wait to see, hang, and jam with everybody there this summer.”
Now, you’re going to get what you expect of course. If you’re a drummer, we’ve got a course path for you. If you’re a bassist, we have you covered. Same thing goes for guitar players. However, it’s going to be a much deeper experience. We’ll be living together, hanging together, and jamming together. We want you to ask as many questions as possible, and we’re going to engage you on a one-on-one basis to help you realize your goals as a player.
In addition to the instrument-centric sessions, we’re going to offer classes from the entire band with the three of us leading. During these, you’ll get to learn more about the craft of songwriting, and we’ll answer any and all questions about the music industry. We want to dispel the myths and show you what’s really up!
“Having a band-taught class is a unique concept,” says Kotzen. “We’re a unique band in the sense that we’re all very strong personalities in the way we play. When Billy plays the bass, you know it’s Billy Sheehan. He has his thing. It’s the same thing with Mike. I’d like to think the same about myself! As individuals, we have personalities, but when we come together, it creates something else. This is something that’s so cool to explore in a clinic or class setting.”
One of the things that we’re all looking forward to is the performance aspect. We’re going to play live for you, giving a series of very intimate concerts. This is the best way to see The Winery Dogs, and we’re going to bring it. It’s about to get rowdy.
“I want to emphasize that players should keep an eye on what we’re doing and why during the performances,” adds Sheehan. “In between songs or mid-song, I want to stop to make a point about what’s going on and why. This is what happens. This is how it got here. This is why you need to know this. The ensemble playing and expertise of being able to play ensemble is a bit of a lost art with kids today. They don’t do what we did when we were growing up. Right away, we just got in a band whether we could play or not. We were in bands before we knew how to play. Now, kids want to get up to a level of expertise and then join the band. The band experience is where I got everything I have. That’s the focal point of the performances.”
Plus, some of our friends will be stopping by for the fun. We couldn’t help but invite some of our buddies. It wouldn’t be camp without that, right?
So, this is Dog Camp. We want you to have the time of your life because that’s what we plan on doing!
Sincerely,
Mike Portnoy, Richie Kotzen, and Billy Sheehan
Source:
https://winerydogcamp.com/
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Gotta give it to MP, if there's one thing he knows it's how to monetize.
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Sounds cool, but, with all due respect, on what planet is Richie Kotzen an icon??
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On my desktop. I have a Richie Kotzen icon, on my desktop.
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Seriously though, I see the market for this being the same as for the VIP tickets. Sons and daughters of well-off families.
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Seriously though, I see the market for this being the same as for the VIP tickets. Sons and daughters of well-off families.
Yeah well-off is right... Honestly, its a cool idea, but dropping $1,500 to $2,400 in four days is a lot.
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Umphrey's McGee has done something similar. Not nearly that expensive, though.
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Hey Kids ! Wanna meet Mike Portnoy ?! Just pay this extortionate fee and you can jam with Mike & Billy and we'll even stop the jam to tell you what you're doing wrong !
SIGN UP NOW !!!
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On my desktop. I have a Richie Kotzen icon, on my desktop.
:lol :lol
Also, I forgot to mention this, but I did get around to finally listening to this whole album. I liked it; good hard rock. But, while good, it's probably not something that will get a lot of play with me (like King's X, a band I always think sounds good, but never feel like listening to). I'll probably throw a couple of the songs on my workout playlist, if nothing else.
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On my desktop. I have a Richie Kotzen icon, on my desktop.
:lol :lol
Also, I forgot to mention this, but I did get around to finally listening to this whole album. I liked it; good hard rock. But, while good, it's probably not something that will get a lot of play with me (like King's X, a band I always think sounds good, but never feel like listening to). I'll probably throw a couple of the songs on my workout playlist, if nothing else.
This sums up my feelings exactly. :tup I can see why it's doing well, and I dig it, but there isn't enough to pull me back and make me want to listen.
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This sounds like a pretty good idea to me, at face value at least.
Registrations are available for the entire event only. No day passes or partial attendance registrations are available.
Considering how steep the prices are, that strikes me as a little bit short-sighted.
A Service and Processing fee of 3.9% will be applied to all registration packages during checkout.
Ok, someone explain what I'm misunderstanding please. Why even quote a price if it's not actually what you'll be required to pay?
- Here's the price!
- Surprise, it's more!
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MP: "OK kids, I know you all have the same question: How do you become famous? The answer is easy, you find yourself someone who can write music. Right, Ritchie?"
Richie: "Err, what?!"
MP: "So yeah, as I was saying, you find yourself a John Petrucci, a Neal Morse, or if all fails a Richie Kotzen. Stay away from the Orlandos!"
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Gotta give it to MP, if there's one thing he knows it's how to monetize.
He may have spoken with Belew about this on the cruise since he's ( along with a few Crims (Levin for one)) been doing it for a few years now.
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MP: "OK kids, I know you all have the same question: How do you become famous? The answer is easy, you find yourself someone who can write music. Right, Ritchie?"
Richie: "Err, what?!"
MP: "So yeah, as I was saying, you find yourself a John Petrucci, a Neal Morse, or if all fails a Richie Kotzen. Stay away from the Orlandos!"
Ouch. Brutal man. :lol
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Seems like a good opportunity for those who can afford it. If I had the musical ability to make it worthwhile, I'd go.
While Richie Kotzen may not be an icon, he's a wonderfully talented musician who I'd gladly pay to learn from.
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If ithis event was cheap a lot of guys would be complaining here as well, saying MP is struggling for cash, and how he´s now a fallen hero and whatnot. I still can´t believe how much criticism he gets in this forum.
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There's something called middle ground. If this camp cost $200 I could see how people would be saying MP is strapped for cash. But, this event costs 10 times as much, per person. In my book, that kind of dough should get you a private lesson.
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I have to think they are pretty much trying to keep numbers low on this. For comparison, PN14 cost far less than this. And I understand that this is geared towards improving aspiring musicians, but even to them I'd think it would be clear that PN14 had more value to it. I think if everyone and their brother was at this thing they wouldn't be able to give the kind of attention to anyone they seem to be implying, and as such are choosing to jack prices and keep numbers low, as opposed to the other way around.
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I was actually just watching a video of the King Crimson thing at the same resort. They had the same pricing.
In terms of numbers, they had 75 people there.
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Sounds about right. And I'd think that's enough to keep it going and everyone happy.
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In the end, and that's what I gathered from the KC video, it's not so much about the transfer of knowledge anyway I think. Most attendants there were just elated to jam and chat with their heroes. I would imagine that the Winery Dogs thing will be similar.
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The Winery Dogs playing Saturday at Sonisphere UK. The day before DT.
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I´d choose to watch a Winery Dogs show instead of a DT show nowadays.
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I´d choose to watch a Winery Dogs show instead of a DT show nowadays.
Why not both? They're on different days. :smiley:
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Yeah, but if I had to choose between the two...
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Article Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/video-the-winery-dogs-talk-about-first-ever-dog-camp/
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhClnCPoLeU
THE WINERY DOGS Talk About First-Ever 'Dog Camp'
Mike Portnoy, Billy Sheehan and Richie Kotzen of THE WINERY DOGS have announced Dog Camp, their first annual immersive program for aspiring musicians of all ages and levels, set for July 21-25, 2014 at Full Moon Resort in Big Indian, New York.
Produced by Dreamcatcher Events, this special vacation experience offers the opportunity to get up close and personal with the three legends as campers attend instrument-specific clinics, learn songwriting mechanics, and enjoy very special intimate performances and jam sessions from THE WINERY DOGS and special guests.
A two-and-a-half-minute clip of Mike Portnoy, Billy Sheehan and Richie Kotzen talking about Dog Camp can be seen below.
Tickets for Dog Camp are on sale now at www.winerydogcamp.com. Attendees will have access to all workshops, seminars, gourmet meals, performances, jam sessions, and camp activities.
"We've all done clinics over the years, but it's always been something that's primarily centered around one instrument that each of us has typically done on an individual basis," says drummer Portnoy. "Dog Camp is the first time that any of us have hosted or participated in a true 'Band Camp.' As a result of that, we've got some incredible surprises in store for everybody attending."
"We'll be living together, hanging together, and jamming together," Portnoy continues. "We want you to ask as many questions as possible, and we're going to engage you on a one-on-one basis to help you realize your goals as a player."
"What's interesting is to talk about music, concepts, objectives, reasons why you're playing the instrument, what you want to achieve, and how to get to that point, rather than talking about major versus minor scales," says lead vocalist/guitarist Kotzen. "I love that feeling of sharing concepts with people. In THE WINERY DOGS, we all have various experiences that a lot of other people don't have. It's an opportunity to share that and grow; the feeling of moving forward and learning and experiencing something new. That's what excites me about Dog Camp. It's the creative process and creativity that make me want to do music, and I want to share that."
"I want to emphasize that players should keep an eye on what we're doing and why during the performances," adds bassist Sheehan. "In between songs or mid-song, I want to stop to make a point about what's going on and why. The expertise of being able to play ensemble is a bit of a lost art with kids today. They don't do what we did when we were growing up. Right away, we just got in a band whether we could play or not. Now, kids want to get up to a level of expertise and then join a band."
"[During the seminars] I like to have back-and-forth communication," Sheehan continues. "I want to speak with people and hear their opinions, disagreements, and challenges. I believe anyone who attends will see a jumpstart in their quest to achieve their dreams."
Dog Camp offers a variety of pricing options, based on the variety of available accommodations. All activities will be held at Full Moon Resort, which features an eclectic array of comfortable, rustic country-inn accommodations as well as primitive tent camping. All accommodations are just steps away from daily camp activities. Guests can enjoy the spring-fed swimming pool, on-site access to the Esopus Creek, and explore the splendors of the Catskills on the nearby network of hiking trails. Dedicated to the celebration of nature, music and the arts, this one hundred-acre wonderland of mountains, fields, and streams is a world of its own.
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Bumping this.
I have heard of this band when they started, but for whatever reason never listened. Their Unleashed in Japan DVD came upon as recommended in youtube for me while I was at work and figured Id listen while I worked... well I listened to the concert four times over the course of the day. I really like this. Its got some classic sounds mixed with a bit of modern rock. Really groovey and of course the musicianship is off the charts here. I was not familiar with Richie but I really like his vocals and his guitar playing (without a pick too).
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Somebody sent me this video today:
https://youtu.be/dQZxv1kdrvY
It's so weird how artists often kinda go off the deep end. A friend of mine is a semiprofessional singer/songwriter, and she totally believes in shakras and healing crystals.
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wow, had no idea he was a scientologist (still is i assume?). to his credit though, at least in the first video of that interview he is super respectful of everyone's differing opinion and is very calm. its not like he's shoving his religion down your throat, so i can respect him for that, even if i don't have the same views
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I'm no fan of Scientology, but I have to say that Sheehan came off better than the people interrogating him.
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He was definitely very polite, but I kept wondering whether Scientology trains their "street workers" the same way Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons do. Always stay polite, calmly disagree, but don't let yourself get drawn into an actual argument. Like, the way he responded to that ex-Scientology women, who was confronting him with clearly true statements, made me sad for him. He looked like a minion, a mouthpiece for someone else.
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My jaw dropped, literally, watching the first part of that interview.
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Seems like a pretty nice guy. The few scientologists I've met are pretty nice although we never talked religion. He definitely wasn't very forthcoming.
I only watched the first part of the interview but when he talked about the guy suffering from schitzophrenia and then said, "They were actually taking action that day" (that he murdered whoever that was..his mom?) and then was cut off as he said something along the lines of "some quiet place, in the country." Ummm, being in a quiet place in the country does not cure mental illnesses (and yes, I'm aware they think mental illnesses don't exist or can be cured without medicine.)
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https://loudandproudrecords.com/the-winery-dogs-continue-their-hot-streak-with-new-album-set-for-release-october-2nd-2015/
New album announced!
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The HOT STREAK will continue this fall for THE WINERY DOGS (Richie Kotzen-lead vocals/guitar, Mike Portnoy-drums, Billy Sheehan-bass). Their second appropriately titled, self-produced studio album, HOT STREAK, is set for release October 2 on Loud & Proud Records via RED (a division of Sony Music Entertainment) and in the rest of the world via earMUSIC. It will be preceded by the first single, “Oblivion,” set for release August 25 at radio. A double vinyl edition of the new album is also in the works and is due out in early November.
After playing over 100 shows in support of their self-titled debut album, THE WINERY DOGS are eager to head back out on the road to get behind HOT STREAK. Their first round of U.S. headlining tour dates will kick off October 3 in Ridgefield, CT at the Ridgefield Playhouse. Shows around the globe are already being planned for 2016.
HOT STREAK shows the powerfully pedigreed trio’s initial burst of collective chemistry was no accident, from the strum and headbang of “Captain Love” to the propulsive uplifting vibe of “The Bridge” to the introspective acoustic harmonic convergence of “Fire.” If these three Dogs thought they captured lightning in a supper dish the first time around, HOT STREAK barks ups the aural ante into exciting new territory.
“I feel we’ve taken the band to another level,” explains Richie Kotzen. “The compositions are stronger on this album. I feel more connected lyrically and musically to what I did on this record than on the last one. We’ve widened the musical scope of the band on this record and moved it forward.”
Mike Portnoy continues, “Everything on this album was more of a collaboration than on the first album. There’s just a natural chemistry. The three of us really mesh very, very well, both musically and personally. The mission of this band is to write catchy songs, and not have the musicianship overpower that.”
“I’m glad we’re not playing it safe and just doing songs that automatically fit in the category of what we did on the first record,” Billy Sheehan concludes. “Some of them are a little different, and we definitely took chances. And you have to do that — otherwise, you don’t grow.”
The trio first exploded onto the Rock scene with their self-titled, self-produced and critically acclaimed debut album that was released July 23, 2013 on Loud & Proud Records and a sold-out worldwide tour. THE WINERY DOGS debuted on Billboard’s “Top Alternative Albums” chart at #3, “Top Independent Albums” chart at #4, “Top Rock Albums” chart at #5, “Top Internet Albums” at #8 and “Top 200 Albums” chart at #27.
Here’s the complete track listing for HOT STREAK:
01. Oblivion
02. Captain Love
03. Hot Streak
04. How Long
05. Empire
06. Fire
07. Ghost Town
08. The Bridge
09. War Machine
10. Spiral
11. Devil You Know
12. Think It Over
13. The Lamb
Check out THE WINERY DOGS at any of the following tour stops:
DATE CITY VENUE
Sat 10/3 – Ridgefield, CT – Ridgefield Playhouse
Sun 10/4 – Jim Thorpe, PA – Penn’s Peak
Mon 10/5 – Boston, MA – Wilbur Theater
Thu 10/8 – Glenside, PA – Keswick Theater
Fri 10/9 – Sayreville, NJ – Starland Ballroom
Sat 10/10 – New York, NY – Best Buy Theater
Mon 10/12 – Atlanta, GA – Variety Playhouse
Wed 10/14 – Jacksonville, – FL Ponte Verde Concert Hall
Thu 10/15 – Tampa, FL – State Theater
Fri 10/16 – Ft. Lauderdale, FL – Culture Room
Sat 10/17 – Orlando, FL – The Plaza Live
Tue 10/22 – Nashville, TN – Wildhorse Saloon
Thu 10/22 – Houston, TX – Pub Fountains
Fri 10/23 – Ardmore, OK – Heritage Hall
Sat 10/24 – Dallas, TX – The Gas Monkey
Tue 10/27 – Milwaukee, WI – Potowatami Casino
Wed 10/28 – Milwaukee, WI – Potowatami Casino
Thu 10/29 – St. Charles, IL – Arcada Theater
Sat 10/31 – Denver, CO – Marquis Theater
Mon 11/2 – San Jose, CA – Rock Bar
Tue 11/3 – Anaheim, CA – House of Blues
Thu 11/5 – Agoura Hills, CA – Canyon Club
Fri 11/6 – Beverly Hills, CA – Saban Theater
Sat 11/7 – Las Vegas, NV – Vamp’d
Sun 11/8 – San Diego, CA – House of Blues
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Not liking the artwork at all but will be getting this one the first day it comes out. The debut was pretty rocking!
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That artwork is awful. I'm sure the music will make me quickly forget about it though! ;)
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That artwork is awful. I'm sure the music will make me quickly forget about it though! ;)
It is awful. The music is what counts. :)
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God, that artwork...
WOW
excited for the music though
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lol at the artwork too, but Im excited for this album and to see them on tour
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Concept of the artwork isn't so bad... execution on the other hand.
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Agree on the artwork. Terrible. Easily the worst I've seen on an MP project. Though the music will kick ass I'm sure.
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Yea, that's a bad Photoshop job, :lol. Looking forward to hearing what they came up with though. I thought the first album was pretty cool, but it didn't have much staying power with me. Hopefully this second album improves in that regard.
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Elevate, Desire, and Six Feet Deeper still get regular rotation from me on the jukebox at our Thursday night watering hole. Looking forward to hearing more.
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The artwork is bad, but what gets me is the album title. "Hot streak"?! Sounds like an 80s album title.
The artwork reminds me a lot of the Omerta one. Gambling imagery, with dude holding a playing card into the camera.
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Wow that´s bad artwork :lol
But i´m sure the songs will be awesome as the first record, so, who cares?
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I was surprised to see them coming to my home town of Nashville, TN. I have never been to the Wildhorse, but have heard the venue has great sound. Appears to be a typo on the Nashville date. Nashville and Houston are listed as 10-22. Will need to leave the wife home for this one. I do not believe she will be able to handle it.
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Man, that cover... With photoshop even I can probably fix it to look better. The concept is good, but indeed, the image as is just looks off and faked.
Still, looking forward to this very much. I love the first album quite a bit.
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I wonder if the date got pushed back. Amazon's placeholder sugguested Sept 16.
https://www.amazon.com/STREAK-HQCD-regular-WINERY-DOGSTHE/dp/B012UV2ULI/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439490851&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=the+winery+dogs+hot+streak
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-winery-dogs-new-song-oblivion-available-for-streaming/
That was awesome. Hyped.
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Really solid song. I like it a lot. :tup
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Not bad, pretty solid song. Nothing really new from their first record, it sounds like this song would fit perfectly on their debut. I'm interested to see if they stretch out from that sound at all on the new record.
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Not bad, pretty solid song. Nothing really new from their first record, it sounds like this song would fit perfectly on their debut. I'm interested to see if they stretch out from that sound at all on the new record.
I think so based on the quotes from the band.
"I'm glad we're not playing it safe and just doing songs that automatically fit in the category of what we did on the first record," Sheehan concludes. "Some of them are a little different, and we definitely took chances. And you have to do that — otherwise, you don't grow."
But I agree, this song sounds like something from the last album.
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I'm interested to see if they stretch out from that sound at all on the new record.
Yes they do, much more groove on the new releaase. Remember, Oblivion was written about halfway through the last tour
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Looking forward to this.
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I think so based on the quotes from the band.
"I'm glad we're not playing it safe and just doing songs that automatically fit in the category of what we did on the first record," Sheehan concludes. "Some of them are a little different, and we definitely took chances. And you have to do that — otherwise, you don't grow."
But I agree, this song sounds like something from the last album.
Yeah bands typically say that sort of thing about new albums... Sometimes it's true, sometimes not. We will see!
Yes they do, much more groove on the new releaase. Remember, Oblivion was written about halfway through the last tour
Good to hear, like I said, I'm interested to hear what they came up with. The Winery Dogs are weird for me, I feel like with the lineup they have they should be great. But so far I've only really been struck by a few moments in a few songs and thought "Wow this is great". The potential is definitely there, something just hasn't fully clicked for me with this group. Maybe it will with their next album.
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I really enjoyed the song more than I expected. Not to say I had low expectations or anything. It kicks ass. It sounds both old and new if that makes sense. Like if Glenn Hughes sang for Soundgarden on a song written by the Foo Fighters for an LTE record.
Looking forward to the rest.
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Sounds great! And to me the song at least feels different than their first album. Definitely the same band and concept, but it has a slightly different feeling to it. Looking forward to this one, first song rocks already.
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The verse has more of a Mr. Big Colorado Bulldog feel to it. The chorus is all Kotzen/Winery Dogs. Kotzen writes a great chorus.
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me likey
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Very enjoyable song!
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What a great song. The first record is great but if the rest of the new songs are up to the quality of this one, Hot Streak will be even better.
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Fusion is good.
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Got my tickets for the NJ show, there was a promotion buy one get one free so got two for 36 after charges/tax/delivery which is pretty awesome!
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Got my tickets for the NJ show, there was a promotion buy one get one free so got two for 36 after charges/tax/delivery which is pretty awesome!
What's the code? I've been holding off on getting tickets for this show and I'm glad I did now.
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The production and the song reminded me of Black Country Communion.
Specifically this song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73qFdCZbhPY
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Got my tickets for the NJ show, there was a promotion buy one get one free so got two for 36 after charges/tax/delivery which is pretty awesome!
What's the code? I've been holding off on getting tickets for this show and I'm glad I did now.
It was a one day sale a few weeks ago, I only found out through the girl I am seeing who was on some mailing list through Starland.
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The first album didn't do a lot for me to be honest but this new song is quite slick and enjoyable. Will probably pick it up.
Damn Kotzen sounds like Cornell IMO.
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Damn Kotzen sounds like Cornell IMO.
He sure does. That was the first thing I noticed when I heard Winery Dogs.
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I don't know why I never checked out any of his solo work, he's a fine guitarist.
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Anyone going to opening night at the Ridgefield Playhouse in Connecticut?
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I don't know why I never checked out any of his solo work, he's a fine guitarist.
Kotzen´s solo stuff is pretty cool. I recomend the latest, Cannibals, Break It All Down, Into the Black and 24 Hours.
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Anyone going to opening night at the Ridgefield Playhouse in Connecticut?
Stads, I will be there. Aren't you up near UCONN? If so you are welcome to hitch a ride with us. PM me, like to meet you.
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I don't know why I never checked out any of his solo work, he's a fine guitarist.
Kotzen´s solo stuff is pretty cool. I recomend the latest, Cannibals, Break It All Down, Into the Black and 24 Hours.
I'm pretty sure I actually have a shrapnel years best of collection, I'll get it out.
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Got my tickets for the NJ show, there was a promotion buy one get one free so got two for 36 after charges/tax/delivery which is pretty awesome!
What's the code? I've been holding off on getting tickets for this show and I'm glad I did now.
It was a one day sale a few weeks ago, I only found out through the girl I am seeing who was on some mailing list through Starland.
Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open. I'll find a deal somewhere.
Would prefer to see them in a seated venue, but will suffer and pay less for the privilege
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I'm a long time Richie Kotzen fan, and it's kinda funny, but I sometimes think that ultimately, the Winery Dogs are just another Kotzen album, but now with well known bassist and drummer (for promotion purposes). Because the material is clearly Kotzen (just somewhat heavier), and his voice and guitar set the tone. So... Another Kotzen album.
I'm super stoked that he finally gets some serious exposure and the recognition he deserves.
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I'm a long time Richie Kotzen fan, and it's kinda funny, but I sometimes think that ultimately, the Winery Dogs are just another Kotzen album, but now with well known bassist and drummer (for promotion purposes). Because the material is clearly Kotzen (just somewhat heavier), and his voice and guitar set the tone. So... Another Kotzen album.
I'm super stoked that he finally gets some serious exposure and the recognition he deserves.
Never heard of the guy before, but yeah, I really like the music and he seems like a very talented musician (based on the first album and the live DVD). I will definitely check out some of his own material down the road.
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Agreed, I was not familiar with him until this band and he really impressed me.
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https://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/album-premiere-the-winery-dogs-hot-streak
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My first impression is that this one is much more funky than the first. Really different, but very cool.
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The cover is incredibly stupid and awful looking. Like, to an extent where I'm shocked no one along the way said to anyone of them "No, you're not using this".
The album itself on the other hand; I'm listening through it now (in the middle of track 10 now), and I'm really digging it. The first few tracks were good but started to get a bit samey, but then it opened up nicely and has had pretty good variety since.
My first impression is that I'd rank this above their first record, and I liked their first record.
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My first impression is that this one is much more funky than the first. Really different, but very cool.
Sounds good to me. Gimme some grooove! :) Going to stream...
And I agree with TL, the cover's kinda bad. They should have gone with a dark background.
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First impressions: yes, definitely funkier album, definitely more diverse. Lost of interesting guitar work. I also found it darker and a bit mellower than the debut.
Not sure how it's gonna work for me in the long run, gotta spin it some more.
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First impression: Awesome album! ;D
I agree with the notions above. More diverse and more groove. A few of the tracks don't really click with me at this moment, but I do think the diversity helps a lot in making this album feel a bit more "special". The first one is great catchy rock I keep coming back to, but this one feels more creative and like there are more stand out moments. And they do so without forgetting to just rock out and be groovy. So yeah, initial impression is that this is exactly what I wanted from them. Now please make a special edition for the sake of changing the cover :lol
On a sidenote, their DVD Unleashed in Japan was uploaded on YT one year ago and has 1.1 million views. That is quite a number! I hope this translates to good album/ticket sales for them.
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anyone know if they're bringing an opener on tour with them?
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anyone know if they're bringing an opener on tour with them?
The band name is Kicking Harold
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What does Harold have to say about that?
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On a sidenote, their DVD Unleashed in Japan was uploaded on YT one year ago and has 1.1 million views. That is quite a number! I hope this translates to good album/ticket sales for them.
I became a fan by watching that youtube video of the DVD, that performance is amazing and had me hooked.
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Halfway through the album and i am really liking what i hear. It´s more groove/funky based but it has a lot of hard rock, too. Amazing stuff.
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The cover is incredibly stupid and awful looking.
Makes me think of that one Adrenaline Mob album cover with the skeleton holding a flaming card.
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Listened to the album once through. First impression is positive. Definitely a little funkier and more groovy overall, they definitely stretched a little further stylistically, but a lot of stuff sounded like it would have fit on the first album as well.
There is some great guitar playing on the record and MP sounds fantastic as usual. I'd say if you liked the first record at all, you'll probably like this. If you didn't like the first record I'm not sure this is really different enough to appeal to you.
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What does Harold have to say about that?
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/kaneklapqo6.gif)
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The album is amazing. in my opinion it´s on the same level as the first. Looking forward to catch them live again.
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Feeling compelled to say I like the new one more than the first.
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Agreed... this is a really great rock album.
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Capatin Love reminds me of Perfect Strangers.
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I prefer the 2nd half of the album starting with Fire. I find the first 5 songs a bit more on the funky side, which is not much of my liking.
Does anybody feel that this one sounds more of a Kotzen solo album? I know he's the main songwriter but I feel a lot of the songs could be easily replaced in any of the Kotzen discs.
But I agree, this is a stronger effort than the first release.
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Ghost Town should be the next single. :metal
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I am completely hooked on Spiral. What a song.
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Capatin Love reminds me of Perfect Strangers.
Yes! That song popped into my mind as well.
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Just finished my first listen
A very cool album. I really like it, pretty much just as much as the first one.
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Going to listen to it soon, sounds amazing based on how you guys like it!
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My first impression is that this one is much more funky than the first. Really different, but very cool.
Agreed. The first one was more in your face about the music, this one seems more relaxed and diverse.
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I am completely hooked on Spiral. What a song.
This is a standout for me as well.
I still have to get this album and badly. Been listening to the link for streaming it a lot and really liking it. I can't wait to see them Friday. I saw the setlist and it's very heavy on the new album, as expected.
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Oblivion video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=4SoTgZjokLU)
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Oblivion video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=4SoTgZjokLU)
Funny video. Billy and Mike making angry faces into the camera and Richie's like totally bored.
I appreciate this song now, much more than when it first came out.
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What surprises me, from the first album, is how cohesive they sound together. As if they've been playing together for ten years. Really amazing.
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While I enjoy the new album it's not a good as the original. While not a bad thing, Hot Streak sounds like a Kotzen solo record with an amazing rhythm section. The debut sounded completely original.
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A lot of people are saying this is like a Kotzen album, I guess I need to get into his solo stuff cause I really dig the album, got it last night but need to digest it quickly for Friday night.
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I really like Oblivion, but from the comments, it doesn't seem like a good representation of the album. Am I correct?
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Correct, Oblivion sounds more like an outtake from the previous album.
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Correct, Oblivion sounds more like an outtake from the previous album.
bah, I'll listen before I spend money on it. Wasn't a big fan of the first one anyway. But I should go back and listen to it again.
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bah, I'll listen before I spend money on it. Wasn't a big fan of the first one anyway. But I should go back and listen to it again.
I wasn't a huge fan of the first one too, but I like Hot Streak a lot. Gave a few listens to that stream on AMG, was sold on it pretty fast.
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I think I'm starting to worship Kotzen. Was there before Winery Dogs, but this cements it.
Quite a trip too. Kotzen was a Shrapnel guy. And to be honest, his first album was one of my least favorite Shrapnel releases. I mean, in the beginning you had Becker, Friedman, MacAlpine .... and then you had this:
REH video intro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=92&v=VLXc2GCANxA)
It was fun to watch as a budding shredder, but his debut album really did very little for me.
I'd basically written Richie off until Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey had Dream of a New Day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBnCeZ2abus) on its soundtrack. And I absolutely loved it. I knew it was Kotzen by the credits, but it was a totally different guy to me. Then I saw him live (I think it was a Randy Rhoads benefit concert) and I was starting to get wood. His solo albums later on were just mind blowingly good.
Richie is just a natural musician down to his core. He writes melodies perfectly supported by the instruments that don't feel like they were composed. They just came into being like the Big Bang. One millisecond, the song never existed and then a millisecond later, it was like the song isn't just there, but feels like it is a 40 year old classic. Portnoy lucked out with Sykes being a flake because being able to align your musical path with Richie would be like a living dream. There are few people that just *are* music. Being around them must feel like a nonstop inspiration. I'm so jelly.
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For me Richie Kotzen is one of those people that I can't really explain why I don't like them more than I do. He has a great voice, great chops, great presence ... but his stuff never exceeds "meh" status for me.
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For me, the two weaker songs are Spiral and Devil You Know. All the rest are great. Very enjoyable album overall.
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Pumped to see them tonight since I am really enjoying this album! :metal First time seeing MP live since DT at MSG opening for IM.
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Pumped to see them tonight since I am really enjoying this album! :metal First time seeing MP live since DT at MSG opening for IM.
First time seeing him live for me. I was offered tickets to that Maiden show but decided not to go and then a few months later he quit. I was gonna see Sevenfold during Uproar but decided to catch them on their next leg and then he was kicked out. I kept making stupid decisions that led to me not seeing him. Not this time.
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So I had a blast last week at their show. They were great, played mostly new songs which was cool with me. Made a video of the song clips I got with my phone.
https://youtu.be/h-yrg_DFwZ8 (https://youtu.be/h-yrg_DFwZ8)
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https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23326-rig-rundown-the-winery-dogs
Billy & Richie Rig Rundown. :)
DAT HAIR :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Not sure anyone else noticed, by Monday Night Football has been using the song "Hot Streak" in the background when they show replays. You can hear it many times throughout a game and it's been used for at least a month now that I have noticed. I always forget to mention that here when I hear the song.
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Not sure anyone else noticed, by Monday Night Football has been using the song "Hot Streak" in the background when they show replays. You can hear it many times throughout a game and it's been used for at least a month now that I have noticed. I always forget to mention that here when I hear the song.
Yeah I think MP tweeted about it a while back.
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https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23326-rig-rundown-the-winery-dogs
Billy & Richie Rig Rundown. :)
DAT HAIR :rollin :rollin :rollin
Great link. Interestingly, Richie's RK5 system is not nearly as expensive as I'd have thought. Musician's Friend has it for $270. A lot, for sure, but I'd have expected it to be worse.
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Just heard their new song " Hot Streak "...
Oh dear :lol
Well that was just about as bland and generic as rock music gets. The intro was like Led Boots by Jeff Beck.
The chorus just screamed " backing music for a tv show scene filmed in a casino " .
The music reminded me totally of " Jam along CDs " you get on Guitar Magazines. Which are just ultra generic music for you to practice scales over.
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I think it's awesome and got them a ton of exposure by being used on Monday Night Football.
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Yeah, I don't see the issue with it either. It is a decent enough song (and album).
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They remind me a lot of Black Country Communion.
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I prefer the 2nd half of the latest album. Overall, to my ears, it sounded more like a Richie Kotzen album than a Winery Dogs album. The first release seems to have been more of a collaborative effort than HS.
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Just heard their new song " Hot Streak "...
Oh dear :lol
Well that was just about as bland and generic as rock music gets. The intro was like Led Boots by Jeff Beck.
The chorus just screamed " backing music for a tv show scene filmed in a casino " .
The music reminded me totally of " Jam along CDs " you get on Guitar Magazines. Which are just ultra generic music for you to practice scales over.
I love that song, but there are much better ones on the album. Oblivion, Empire, and Ghost Town are probably the best ones.
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Digging Hot Streak album a lot. Wasn't in the mood for "cheesy rock" (for want of a better term) when the first one dropped and was so underwhelmed by Adrenaline Mob I didn't care to try too hard for another Mike project.
HS totally works for me, tho. Of course, no new ground broken, but the songs, voice and playing are so right. Love the diversity, too.
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Trailer for Dog Years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHyNV_DM9Kw)
Elevate from Dog Years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh95Z_Kkdfs)
Looks like a wild crowd for this. Definitely going to buy it :metal :metal
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Trailer for Dog Years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHyNV_DM9Kw)
Elevate from Dog Years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh95Z_Kkdfs)
Looks like a wild crowd for this. Definitely going to buy it :metal :metal
I probably will too at some point. Much better band live.
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Some nice little snippets regarding The Winery Dogs in this recent interview with Richie Kotzen. Well worth listening/watching the rest, too, he's an excellent interviewee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_WTGJDqMJw
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Looks likes the Dogs are touring next year. I got an email today from the Arcada in St. Charles giving me a shot at early tickets to the show on May 18th 2019. Guessing we'll see some kind of announcement soon with more details.
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I'd check them out again if they come by
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Cool to hear. I meant to ask Mike about TWD at the Metal Allegiance show Saturday night but it slipped my mind. Especially since I missed their tour right after the second album came out, would very much like to see them again.
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Looks likes the Dogs are touring next year. I got an email today from the Arcada in St. Charles giving me a shot at early tickets to the show on May 18th 2019. Guessing we'll see some kind of announcement soon with more details.
....and just got an email saying the first one was a total mistake and nothing is happening. Oh well.
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Looks likes the Dogs are touring next year. I got an email today from the Arcada in St. Charles giving me a shot at early tickets to the show on May 18th 2019. Guessing we'll see some kind of announcement soon with more details.
....and just got an email saying the first one was a total mistake and nothing is happening. Oh well.
Or probably it’s actu happening but they don’t want to spread the news just as yet
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I hope so, kind of odd for a venue to make such a specific announcement, but shit happens.
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I think I'm leaning toward Onesti screwing up and jumping the gun on sales. MP will be touring with Neal Feb-Apr. I could see him coming back from Europe and then doing a quick practice session with the Dogs and embarking on a tour in May. We'll see.
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To be honest, I'd be very surprised if The Winery Dogs actually comes back. I mean, they made some decent tunes, and apparently the shows were fun, but it wasn't growing and not really going anywhere. I mean, if you ask Eddie Trunk, he'd probably want half their profit for him putting together the band (like he always is quick to tell folks). :lol
But seriously, the Winery Dogs really didn't DO anything. I mean, I know Sons of Apollo are doing another record, and if that doesn't take a leap, I don't see them doing another either.
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I'm not sure I agree. I felt TWD were the most popular and easily accessible of MP's post DT bands. Their music was used on Monday Night Football (Hot Streak was used in background music a lot during the season a couple years ago). I can't think of another MP band that had that exposure.
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I thought TWD album absolutely fucking blew. It sucked.
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I thought TWD album absolutely fucking blew. It sucked.
Well done.
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Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. :lol
I try, and sample everything MP does, but I literally couldn't make it through TWD's album. So boring and uninteresting. I'm sure they'd be great playing some dive, but as music to listen to....there's so much more interesting and inspired stuff out there.
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We might be able to help you if you at least told us which of their two studio albums you had such a violent reaction to? :lol
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I'm not sure I agree. I felt TWD were the most popular and easily accessible of MP's post DT bands. Their music was used on Monday Night Football (Hot Streak was used in background music a lot during the season a couple years ago). I can't think of another MP band that had that exposure.
The shows I saw in Dallas were absolutely packed. I saw both tours (self titled and Hot Streak). The Hot Streak show did better.
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We might be able to help you if you at least told us which of their two studio albums you had such a violent reaction to? :lol
I'm not sure how finding it "boring and uninspiring" is somehow "violent."
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We might be able to help you if you at least told us which of their two studio albums you had such a violent reaction to? :lol
I'm not sure how finding it "boring and uninspiring" is somehow "violent."
Just slightly at odds with "I thought TWD album absolutely fucking blew. It sucked."
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We might be able to help you if you at least told us which of their two studio albums you had such a violent reaction to? :lol
The first one. :lol
I wasn't even aware they made a second album.
I get like that because there are times when I want to like something so much.
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We might be able to help you if you at least told us which of their two studio albums you had such a violent reaction to? :lol
The first one. :lol
I wasn't even aware they made a second album.
I get like that because there are times when I want to like something so much.
Oooh, blimey. If you thought that about the first one, it's better that you continue to live in ignorance with respect to the second one :biggrin:
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MP was my favorite member of DT. I was crushed when he left, not because I was worried about what DT would do, but because I knew I would have to follow MP from project to project. If there was one I liked, I figured it would be a one and done anyway. I haven't really liked anything he's done since leaving DT. And that bums me out. Even SOA, which I should like, I thought was terrible. I know he and whatever musicians he's working with will absolutely bring it live, but for all intents and purposes, MP basically fell off the map for me.
And that is what really sucks and blows. :)
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We might be able to help you if you at least told us which of their two studio albums you had such a violent reaction to? :lol
The first one. :lol
I wasn't even aware they made a second album.
I get like that because there are times when I want to like something so much.
Oooh, blimey. If you thought that about the first one, it's better that you continue to live in ignorance with respect to the second one :biggrin:
While the 1st WD album had more of a band feel, the 2nd sounded more like a Richie solo album (same vein as Cannibals and Salting Earth vibe). 2nd album was a bit of a disappointment for me. However, the band tore it live on the two shows that I saw them. Richie blew me away and became an instant fan.
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MP was my favorite member of DT. I was crushed when he left, not because I was worried about what DT would do, but because I knew I would have to follow MP from project to project. If there was one I liked, I figured it would be a one and done anyway. I haven't really liked anything he's done since leaving DT. And that bums me out. Even SOA, which I should like, I thought was terrible. I know he and whatever musicians he's working with will absolutely bring it live, but for all intents and purposes, MP basically fell off the map for me.
And that is what really sucks and blows. :)
Sons of Apollo was excellent, as have been the NMB albums. But aside from that, I tend to agree with you.
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Well, SOA definitely did not do it for me. It does deserve a second chance though. Neal Morse....that's just not my thing. :)
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I think I'm leaning toward Onesti screwing up and jumping the gun on sales. MP will be touring with Neal Feb-Apr. I could see him coming back from Europe and then doing a quick practice session with the Dogs and embarking on a tour in May. We'll see.
The dude is notorious for jumping the gun on things. He puts stuff on sale long before bands announce tours. Considering how on the ball MP is with stuff like this, I wouldn't doubt if he found out and immediately took action.
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To be honest, I'd be very surprised if The Winery Dogs actually comes back. I mean, they made some decent tunes, and apparently the shows were fun, but it wasn't growing and not really going anywhere. I mean, if you ask Eddie Trunk, he'd probably want half their profit for him putting together the band (like he always is quick to tell folks). :lol
But seriously, the Winery Dogs really didn't DO anything. I mean, I know Sons of Apollo are doing another record, and if that doesn't take a leap, I don't see them doing another either.
I almost - ALMOST - want TWD to never come back for that very reason. Shut Trunk the f--- up. My god.
Anyway, I'm not exactly with TAC on this, I don't think they BLEW, but it didn't move me much. LIve it was fun to see Mike but the highlight was that I was literally three feet from Billy Sheehan watching him do what he does in real time (I still don't quite know how he does it) and talking briefly with him after the show, but i'm not holding my breath for more, to be honest. I'm not holding my breath for ANYTHING that Mike is doing that doesn't have "Neal Morse" involved in it too, to be honest. That makes me sad.
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TWD is easily my favorite MP project and it's largely because of Richie. Pleeeease give us a third album soon
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So, I'm really really leaning to Onesti screwing up now. Richie is hinting that they are firing it up sooner rather than later.
https://loudwire.com/tenacious-d-sons-of-apollo-more-album-updates-2018-bowl-for-ronnie/
- While many acts are gearing up for new music, Richie Kotzen tells us he's excited for a bit of a break. After releasing the solo album Salting Earth in 2017, Kotzen will wrap touring for the disc this week in New York, at which point he intends to return to the new home that he just bought and do some handiwork getting the new place to his liking. “I need that balance. More than anything I like to create and write songs, and I can’t write songs if I’m doing the same thing every day. I’ve got to do some different things,” says Kotzen. When asked about The Winery Dogs, his band with Mike Portnoy and Billy Sheehan, he offered, "Keep your eyes and ears open. It may be happening sooner than you think.
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Given the info on Sons of Apollo going in the studio the first week of January, I wonder...if MP is off tour right now (not sure), I wonder if they are working on The Winery Dogs right now, with an eye on a 2019 release.
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i thought billy already said in an interview they were going to do the new album last summer?
also, if i google winery dogs 2019, top link is Graspop 2019 ;-)
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I would love see them live. still on my to do list
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Off topic, but I wonder if Hellyeah may have reached out to Portnoy to fill their drumming spot after Vinnie Paul's passing. I mean, as busy as he is, I don't see how he could do it without compromising other stuff and spreading himself too thin. But on the other hand, this seems like it would be the kind of gig that would suit him in terms of drumming style and being able to play decent sized venues and touring with some pretty well-known acts.
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Off topic, but I wonder if Hellyeah may have reached out to Portnoy to fill their drumming spot after Vinnie Paul's passing. I mean, as busy as he is, I don't see how he could do it without compromising other stuff and spreading himself too thin. But on the other hand, this seems like it would be the kind of gig that would suit him in terms of drumming style and being able to play decent sized venues and touring with some pretty well-known acts.
That's a good call. I mean, Hellyeah aren't necessarily at the level of A7X or even DT, so I am not sure it would pay enough to justify, but it is a higher profile gig than what he's currently doing, that's for sure.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Anselmo and Rex Brown reunite under a new name and go forward playing Pantera music. It might take another year or so to get it all set up, and prepare the marketing, but I could see that happening. Perhaps with Portnoy and Zakk Wylde (considering Ozzy is about done). I'd support that, as long as it wasn't called Pantera.
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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Anselmo and Rex Brown reunite under a new name and go forward playing Pantera music. It might take another year or so to get it all set up, and prepare the marketing, but I could see that happening. Perhaps with Portnoy and Zakk Wylde (considering Ozzy is about done). I'd support that, as long as it wasn't called Pantera.
Wow, that'd be pretty insane, and I don't even like Pantera.
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They'd play amphitheaters. It'd be huge. And right up Portnoy's alley. Would not be surprised at all. And as long as tastefully marketed and done, people would turn out in droves.
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Even if it isn't tastefully marketed, they would still have really good turnout. :lol
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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Anselmo and Rex Brown reunite under a new name and go forward playing Pantera music. It might take another year or so to get it all set up, and prepare the marketing, but I could see that happening. Perhaps with Portnoy and Zakk Wylde (considering Ozzy is about done). I'd support that, as long as it wasn't called Pantera.
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Talk about Phil and Rex doing a thing with Zakk has been going around for some time. I saw Pantera numerous times in the 90's. I don't think anything could recapture what their live shows were like. Anselmo's voice is pretty much gone now. I'm a Zakk Wylde fan and he may be a fan favorite to do the job, but I think Grady Champion would need to be the tech and get Dime's tone to come out of Zakk's guitar. Wouldn't want to hear Pantera songs with Zakk's tone.
I'm intrigued with the suggestion of MP on drums. I know he could play the stuff, but I don't think MP when I think of Pantera material. Perhaps considering Mario Duplantier from Gojira or Dave Lombardo would be acceptable?
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They'd play amphitheaters. It'd be huge. And right up Portnoy's alley. Would not be surprised at all. And as long as tastefully marketed and done, people would turn out in droves.
What's your definition of "huge"? Who draws from a "Pantera" without either of the Abbott Bros.? Anselmo isn't putting 7,000 into an ampitheater, and neither is Rex Brown. MAYBE Zakk, but he didn't do that with BLS, so what makes us think it'll happen here?
This reminds me of the discussion back on the old Genesis board; some guy figured that the three-man version toured stadiums doing the "current" setlist, so the original five playing the Lamb would do MULTIPLE NIGHTS of stadium shows in each city. He sort of envisioned something like the original Wall shows, but in stadiums. I felt obligated to let him know that that was a wildly optimistic assumption.
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With an old picture, the Winery Dogs FB page was updated today, I find this quite unusual, does it means some kind of unknown activity from the band?
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/362983F6-F78F-4684-839D-871EB8B71741_zpswzpo0swu.png) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/362983F6-F78F-4684-839D-871EB8B71741_zpswzpo0swu.png.html)
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Maybe
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I'm not sure I agree. I felt TWD were the most popular and easily accessible of MP's post DT bands. Their music was used on Monday Night Football (Hot Streak was used in background music a lot during the season a couple years ago). I can't think of another MP band that had that exposure.
The shows I saw in Dallas were absolutely packed. I saw both tours (self titled and Hot Streak). The Hot Streak show did better.
They weren't packed but they did draw a good crowd for the two GML shows. The second one was excellent. I enjoyed it a great deal. I thought the Granada show was weak, though.
And Kotzen was the star for all three of them.
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Hey, look who's touring starting in May 2019. What a shock.
https://twitter.com/TheWineryDogs/status/1063492195808890880
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Hell yes :hat
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Hey, look who's touring starting in May 2019. What a shock.
https://twitter.com/TheWineryDogs/status/1063492195808890880
:metal :metal
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YAY!!!
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will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
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Aw yeah. Gonna hopefully finally see the dogs.
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MP was my favorite member of DT. I was crushed when he left, not because I was worried about what DT would do, but because I knew I would have to follow MP from project to project. If there was one I liked, I figured it would be a one and done anyway. I haven't really liked anything he's done since leaving DT. And that bums me out. Even SOA, which I should like, I thought was terrible. I know he and whatever musicians he's working with will absolutely bring it live, but for all intents and purposes, MP basically fell off the map for me.
And that is what really sucks and blows. :)
Sons of Apollo was excellent, as have been the NMB albums. But aside from that, I tend to agree with you.
Aside from Adrenaline Mob & Metal Allegiance, I LOVE EVERYTHING MP has been involved in since bolting DT! :hefdaddy
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will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
No "new" album, just touring again! :metal and most likely ONLY the US in May as Billy has a lot of touring going on with Mr. Big after that in '19.
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Aw yeah. Gonna hopefully finally see the dogs.
Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I have a premonition that they will be playing the Arcada in St. Charles on May 18th. Thanks Ron Onesti for having no self-control!
The Arcada is about 30-35 minutes from me. My fear is that good ole' Ron is going to price the tix at around $75. I think that's what he did on the second leg of the tour for the first album(!). If he goes too high, I will probably pass as much as I want to catch this show.
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$75?? That's ridiculous. :tdwn
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will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
No "new" album, just touring again! :metal and most likely ONLY the US in May as Billy has a lot of touring going on with Mr. Big after that in '19.
Not even an EP? Come on TWD you must already have something recorded from previous sessions!
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To me the Winery Dogs first album was OK not more than that.... didn't bother with the second.
Sons of Apollo was quite uninterresting to me.
Since MP left DT I have only loved the things he has done with Neal Morse.... really looking forward to the new NMB album and tour next year.
The WD tour seems to be USA only but even if it was coming to my neck of the woods I don't think I would go see it... too much else good coming around that I would rather see.
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will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
No "new" album, just touring again! :metal and most likely ONLY the US in May as Billy has a lot of touring going on with Mr. Big after that in '19.
Not even an EP? Come on TWD you must already have something recorded from previous sessions!
Blame it on Ritchie Kotzen. If it wasn't for him, album 3 would have already been recorded, they would have already toured to promote it, and most likely Sons of Apollo wouldn't have existed.
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will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
No "new" album, just touring again! :metal and most likely ONLY the US in May as Billy has a lot of touring going on with Mr. Big after that in '19.
Not even an EP? Come on TWD you must already have something recorded from previous sessions!
Blame it on Ritchie Kotzen. If it wasn't for him, album 3 would have already been recorded, they would have already toured to promote it, and most likely Sons of Apollo wouldn't have existed.
Yea pretty much, although I'm not sure I'll complain. If Ritchie didn't want to do it, I'm glad we got SOA instead of nothing personally. I'm glad the guys are back, I'm sure they will do something in the NYC area for this tour so I'd love to catch it.
will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
Why doesn't it? Get their name back out there, make some money playing shows. Have a fresh setlist (hopefully) and build some interest in the band after some time away. I don't even think the hiatus was that long, although for a band with only two albums, yea maybe any hiatus is long.
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I'm hoping they come to Toronto and that they finally play The Lamb live ... Ritchie's solo on that song is out of this world!
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Aw yeah. Gonna hopefully finally see the dogs.
Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I have a premonition that they will be playing the Arcada in St. Charles on May 18th. Thanks Ron Onesti for having no self-control!
The Arcada is about 30-35 minutes from me. My fear is that good ole' Ron is going to price the tix at around $75. I think that's what he did on the second leg of the tour for the first album(!). If he goes too high, I will probably pass as much as I want to catch this show.
I love the Arcada, I love the area, I even love Onesti in the sense that he gets a lot of shows I would otherwise have to drive many more hours to see, so I am somewhat forgiving of his super price inflation. Buckethead played a show there and the tickets were also $75 bucks which is insane because he was playing a club closer to me (that i couldnt go to) and tickets were $25 and you were literally feet from Buckethead. I decided to pass on that.
will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
No "new" album, just touring again! :metal and most likely ONLY the US in May as Billy has a lot of touring going on with Mr. Big after that in '19.
Not even an EP? Come on TWD you must already have something recorded from previous sessions!
Blame it on Ritchie Kotzen. If it wasn't for him, album 3 would have already been recorded, they would have already toured to promote it, and most likely Sons of Apollo wouldn't have existed.
Yea pretty much, although I'm not sure I'll complain. If Ritchie didn't want to do it, I'm glad we got SOA instead of nothing personally. I'm glad the guys are back, I'm sure they will do something in the NYC area for this tour so I'd love to catch it.
will they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
Why doesn't it? Get their name back out there, make some money playing shows. Have a fresh setlist (hopefully) and build some interest in the band after some time away. I don't even think the hiatus was that long, although for a band with only two albums, yea maybe any hiatus is long.
Anymore, albums are becoming a bit of a formality. You can actually sometimes make more money by touring randomly then spending time and cash on recording something and hoping that brings in more people. It's a bummer but thats the way things are goingwill they have a new album by then? it makes no sense start a tour after the long hiatus, does it?
No "new" album, just touring again! :metal and most likely ONLY the US in May as Billy has a lot of touring going on with Mr. Big after that in '19.
Not even an EP? Come on TWD you must already have something recorded from previous sessions!
Blame it on Ritchie Kotzen. If it wasn't for him, album 3 would have already been recorded, they would have already toured to promote it, and most likely Sons of Apollo wouldn't have existed.
Don't they still have that cover songs EP that Ritchie didnt want to finish? I don't blame him because MP and his amount of cover songs is a bit excessive. I get the feeling that even though the band is a democracy, Ritchie sort of steers the ship more.
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Well, MP and Billy wanted to carry on, but Ritchie wanted some time to focus on his solo career for a bit.
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Yeah, but even within the band and their direction, songwriting, etc.
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I know. He writes 99% of their stuff.
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I've never heard of Sony Hall in NYC, but adding it to my concert calendar.
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They are playing walking distance from me. Still not interested.
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Playing 5 hours from me.
Nope.
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I mean. It's in Anaheim and I found the two Winery Dogs albums to be tolerable to good. I can't turn that down. On a Thursday, though. Is The Grove, The City National Grove of Anaheim? The venue that bands like DT and Nightwish typically play in when they come to Anaheim as oppose to the HOB? I'll probably go if tickets for GA is cheap (like under $30 fees included cheap).
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F***. I will likely be able to get front row for Ridgefield. I'll probably go just because. Hmmm.
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F***. I will likely be able to get front row for Ridgefield. I'll probably go just because. Hmmm.
Guess you won't have to push too many people out of the way to get front row. :biggrin:
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I was just at Tupelo last night. Half hour from my house.
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Yeah, I'll in all likelihood be at the NYC show.
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F***. I will likely be able to get front row for Ridgefield. I'll probably go just because. Hmmm.
Guess you won't have to push too many people out of the way to get front row. :biggrin:
From the last time I saw them in Ridgefield:
(https://i.imgur.com/FRAbZb6.jpg)
EDIT: Oops, wrong photo. This one:
(https://i.imgur.com/gZ4FQhv.jpg)
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Man, I still can't believe I haven't seen them and still might not. I LOVE the venue they are playing in Jim Thorpe, but it's the night before RoSfest. So the question is do I drive the hour up there, see the show, and drive home only to be up the next morning and an hour+ the other way to the Philly airport for what will likely be a flight departing before 10am.
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Man, I still can't believe I haven't seen them and still might not. I LOVE the venue they are playing in Jim Thorpe, but it's the night before RoSfest. So the question is do I drive the hour up there, see the show, and drive home only to be up the next morning and an hour+ the other way to the Philly airport for what will likely be a flight departing before 10am.
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I've seen them twice and they are great live, but I wouldn't travel more than a few hours to see them which is where it stands at the moment.
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They're also playing in my kitchen.
Not going to this one either.
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Got my ticket for the NYC show, went the VIP seating path. I'm starting to dig this way of viewing concerts over being in the pit.
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Well, I was expecting for GA seats for this to be around $30-35 fees included for the Anaheim show, but oddly enough, AXS ticket fees is so much worst than Ticketmaster fees. A $35 face value ticket comes out to $53.00 for GA section 2-5 (section 1 section is $75.00 fees included). I will not pay for that. I paid about $51 fees included, this week for any spot in GA for Within Temptation and they've been around longer and I'm hoping they do have a decent amount of production for their shows.
Well, here's to hoping that these tickets end up on Groupon somehow and I can snag one on the cheaper end near show day. The SOA show in Anaheim was on Groupon for around $20-ish dollars and I think only 10 of those tickets were sold so there is hope.
On a funnier note, when I looked at the Winery Dogs show on Stubhub, they only have tickets that costed, wait for it. About $5,000.00. Someone who listed it clearly is taking the piss right? No one in their right minds would ever pay that amount for any show (except maybe a Led Zeppelin reunion show).
(https://i.imgur.com/cnihlTg.png)
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On a funnier note, when I looked at the Winery Dogs show on Stubhub, they only have tickets that costed, wait for it. About $5,000.00. Someone who listed it clearly is taking the piss right? No one in their right minds would ever pay that amount for any show (except maybe a Led Zeppelin reunion show).
And only if John Bonham would be there, may I add.
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:lol Im guessing they were off two decimal spots
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Well, I was expecting for GA seats for this to be around $30-35 fees included for the Anaheim show, but oddly enough, AXS ticket fees is so much worst than Ticketmaster fees. A $35 face value ticket comes out to $53.00 for GA section 2-5 (section 1 section is $75.00 fees included). I will not pay for that. I paid about $51 fees included, this week for any spot in GA for Within Temptation and they've been around longer and I'm hoping they do have a decent amount of production for their shows.
Well, here's to hoping that these tickets end up on Groupon somehow and I can snag one on the cheaper end near show day. The SOA show in Anaheim was on Groupon for around $20-ish dollars and I think only 10 of those tickets were sold so there is hope.
On a funnier note, when I looked at the Winery Dogs show on Stubhub, they only have tickets that costed, wait for it. About $5,000.00. Someone who listed it clearly is taking the piss right? No one in their right minds would ever pay that amount for any show (except maybe a Led Zeppelin reunion show).
(https://i.imgur.com/cnihlTg.png)
Sounds like you’re just a hater/troll. Or else you’d pay that money and be grateful!
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The two guys sitting next to me at Springsteen on Broadway paid $6,000 per seat for their tickets (I most certainly did not.)
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Old new? New news?
https://sleazeroxx.com/the-winery-dogs-about-to-embark-on-who-let-the-dogs-out-2019-tour-starting-on-april-30th/
Nothing against Tupelo Music in NH, but MP has now arrived at a venue size where I know direct friends who play that kind of venue regularly...
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Seeing them May 3rd at a venue I had previously never heard of in NYC, not sure of it's size though. Seemed to remind me of the 500 capacity Highland ballroom in that it seems to havea ga area and vip tables along the sides. This concert has slowly creeped up, I haven't really been listening to any WD in awhile, but I am looking forward to seeing them again.
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Old new? New news?
https://sleazeroxx.com/the-winery-dogs-about-to-embark-on-who-let-the-dogs-out-2019-tour-starting-on-april-30th/
Nothing against Tupelo Music in NH, but MP has now arrived at a venue size where I know direct friends who play that kind of venue regularly...
I think he arrived a long time ago. They've been playing 1k seat venues for quite some time, and 2 nights at a 700 seater qualifies in my book. Looks like they've sold 900 or so. And in terms of venue size WD is a big step up from his other projects. He's played some club gigs in Dallas, but WD always plays a proper hall.
And in terms of odd theater choices, this is the one that gives me pause. Like they're gonna get Don Rickles to open for them or something. Henny Youngman still alive?
(https://www.paysbig.com/application/files/1514/8494/5332/shows-northern-lights-theater.jpg)
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Seeing them May 3rd at a venue I had previously never heard of in NYC, not sure of it's size though. Seemed to remind me of the 500 capacity Highland ballroom in that it seems to havea ga area and vip tables along the sides. This concert has slowly creeped up, I haven't really been listening to any WD in awhile, but I am looking forward to seeing them again.
Sony Hall is 1k. Don't recall which one, but I looked into it a few months ago about a different show.
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They are playing City National Grove of Anaheim (1,700 people) and charging $50.00 overall for GA. That's the venue that bands like Nightwish, Delain, Kamelot, DT, etc. plays in as opposed to the slightly larger (2,200 people and all GA) House of Blues that bands like Halestorm, Trivium, Breaking Benjamin, etc. plays in.
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I saw them on their last tour at the Ridgefield Playhouse: 500 people on the nose. I also saw the Similitude tour there, as well.
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I haven't been listening to the Winery Dogs much lately, though I have been listening to some of Richie's solo stuff. One of these days I'm going to catch one of his solo shows. But I am looking forward to this Winery Dogs show next month, will probably put them in heavy rotation after the DT and Animals as Leaders shows.
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I saw Winery Dogs at Toads Place in New Haven. That's the kind of venue to see them. Rocking out in a fairly small club standing on the floor. I don't have interest in seeing them at Ridgefield Playhouse. Great venue for a band like The Neal Morse Band. Not the kind of venue I want to see a band like The Winery Dogs. Plus too expensive a ticket for them. Toads was like 25 bucks. Perfect.
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Last tour they played a 2k venue, it sold maybe half I don't remember. Not a bad turn out but nothing crazy either. More than Sons of Apollo and I haven't seen any NMB shows but those seem to be booked at smaller venues. This is just what MP's been playing to for awhile now. DT had their slump during TA with no one showing up to shows, but now their local shows here really sold well (NYC sold out, NJ mostly sold). I always thought TWD were MP's best band in terms of "making it big" since they played a version of rock that is closer to mainstream than his other bands and it did seem like they were having some success. I wonder how this tour goes and what the future is for this band.
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I saw Winery Dogs at Toads Place in New Haven. That's the kind of venue to see them. Rocking out in a fairly small club standing on the floor. I don't have interest in seeing them at Ridgefield Playhouse. Great venue for a band like The Neal Morse Band. Not the kind of venue I want to see a band like The Winery Dogs. Plus too expensive a ticket for them. Toads was like 25 bucks. Perfect.
I wouldn't disagree with that at all. Not a bit.
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They are playing a 1/2 away from me in a venue that holds a max of 700. It's an awesome place to see a show.
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I knew this was coming. Saw that their show in Anaheim was on Groupon for $17.50. The section is in the far back though, but I managed to grab a ticket for $14.00 (Groupon had a 20% off sale code). Sweet baby Jebus, I knew waiting for something like this would work out instead of paying $50+. This is now the cheapest ticket I have ever bought for this year's concerts (the second lowest was $18 for Coheed and Cambria/Mastodon in LA).
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From MP's twitter:
Rehearsals w @thewinerydogs have been great! This is gonna be a great tour...several songs being played for the very 1st time and several that haven’t been played since the 1st tour 6 yrs ago...don’t miss this chance to see the Dogs back in action again!
:metal hope they play The Lamb but I'm glad they are playing the unplayed songs from before
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I'm monitoring Groupon for my local show. The regular price for tickets is ridiculous. THey are playing an old movie theater that is a beautiful venue (seen a bunch of bands there), but the price is absolutely stupid.
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From MP's twitter:
Rehearsals w @thewinerydogs have been great! This is gonna be a great tour...several songs being played for the very 1st time and several that haven’t been played since the 1st tour 6 yrs ago...don’t miss this chance to see the Dogs back in action again!
:metal hope they play The Lamb but I'm glad they are playing the unplayed songs from before
HAHAHAHAHA, I'm burning "Genesis" to my network drive, so I read that and I immediately thought "THAT'S an interesting cover..."
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Tickets for the Dallas show are $25, and at the initial onsale you could buy them for $10. That's pretty standard for the venue they play here. Max cap is 3k, and they'll probably bring 750 or so. Perfect venue for them, really. It's big AF, with a large stage, but it works just as well for small crowds. It's always got that club vibe despite being a purpose built concert hall.
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Thinking about going to the Dallas show. I hope I can make it. It’s a great venue to see them.
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Tickets for the Dallas show are $25, and at the initial onsale you could buy them for $10. That's pretty standard for the venue they play here. Max cap is 3k, and they'll probably bring 750 or so. Perfect venue for them, really. It's big AF, with a large stage, but it works just as well for small crowds. It's always got that club vibe despite being a purpose built concert hall.
55 to 75 bucks here. Crazy.
I'd happily spend $25.
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Tickets for GA at the Anaheim show was $50+. Groupon had it for $17.50. Groupon also had a 20% off sales on the day I bought my ticket, so I only paid $14.00. It's only limited to the far back sections of GA though. Can't complain for only $14.00 whereas if I really loved them, I wouldn't mind paying $50 for bands like Skillet/Sevendust and Within Temptation where I gladly paid $50.00 for a good GA ticket, no questions asked.
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Tickets for the Dallas show are $25, and at the initial onsale you could buy them for $10. That's pretty standard for the venue they play here. Max cap is 3k, and they'll probably bring 750 or so. Perfect venue for them, really. It's big AF, with a large stage, but it works just as well for small crowds. It's always got that club vibe despite being a purpose built concert hall.
55 to 75 bucks here. Crazy.
I'd happily spend $25.
Yea, the NYC show is more on the expensive side. I just looked and paid close to $100 for a VIP seat at face value. I don't see any of those tickets for sale anymore nor on stubhub, wonder fi I could convert that to a cheap GA ticket, but whatever, I've never been to this venue and maybe the seats are the better experience.
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I'm only checking into this thread for what seems to be the current discussion anyway: the insane ticket price. Lowest ticket for the NH show is $60. Winery Dogs just isn't a $60 band. $30-$35 or so and I'd go.
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I'm only checking into this thread for what seems to be the current discussion anyway: the insane ticket price. Lowest ticket for the NH show is $60. Winery Dogs just isn't a $60 band. $30-$35 or so and I'd go.
And they're doing 2 shows there. What bizarre scheduling in NH of all places. Why not Boston?
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It's really strange. Half their shows are twenty five bucks, and half are 60-80. Seems to be the New England folk that got fleeced. We southerners came out real well. Don't recall seeing anything like that before.
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Yeah, I thought about catching the NH one tomorrow, then saw it was $60 and almost two hours from my house. NOPE!
Maybe I’ll see the dogs one day. Had something happen every time they were in the area before.
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That does seem pretty pricey. Perhaps Portnoy should do a little advertising:
"Come see the Dogs live while you still have a chance, since I could leave this band, like I have others, at any time!!"
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That does seem pretty pricey. Perhaps Portnoy should do a little advertising:
"Come see the Dogs live while you still have a chance, since I could leave this band, like I have others, at any time!!"
I read this in Trump's voice
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Prices are set by the promoters, not by The Winery Dogs. If the promoter feels that 60 bucks per ticket at a 500 seat theater, will produce a return on his investment, then that is what the price will be. TWD have a set guarantee. They will get paid whether they play to 1 person or a full house. The extra income for the TWD from merch sales will probably be abysmal for a small crowd due to the high ticket prices. And promoter will not book them again because he lost money.
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Setlist.fm doesn't have a full setlist, but looks like they played The Lamb, I am a happy man :metal
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That does seem pretty pricey. Perhaps Portnoy should do a little advertising:
"Come see the Dogs live while you still have a chance, since I could leave this band, like I have others, at any time!!"
I read this in Trump's voice
:rollin :rollin
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Setlist.fm doesn't have a full setlist, but looks like they played The Lamb, I am a happy man :metal
Yessssss!!!! The guitar solo is insane!!!
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I'm only checking into this thread for what seems to be the current discussion anyway: the insane ticket price. Lowest ticket for the NH show is $60. Winery Dogs just isn't a $60 band. $30-$35 or so and I'd go.
And they're doing 2 shows there. What bizarre scheduling in NH of all places. Why not Boston?
I live 25 minutes from that venue and it's such a cool place to see bands. I've seen Toto, Eric Johnson, BOC, The Fixx, David Crosby there.
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They are playing a 1/2 away from me in a venue that holds a max of 700. It's an awesome place to see a show.
I live 25 minutes from that venue and it's such a cool place to see bands.
:huh:
:lol
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Depends how fast I drive Tim! :lol
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The Winery Dogs - The Lamb Live @ Sony Music Hall NYC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
:corn :metal
such an awesome concert, place was packed and every song felt like it had something awesome musically to offer with jams and solos. Billy's bass was LOUD too.
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All right, now that I have a day to gather my thoughts after seeing The Winery Dogs at the City National Grove of Anaheim, last night. I will say this. What a great show. It's a nice feeling when you have three great showmen that's really f'en good at their instruments come together and they were a well-oiled unit. I didn't think Sheehan and MP would be the greatest fit harmonizing with Kotzen vocally, but it was a solid fit. I also didn't mind Sheehan's bass solo spot, but I think it lasted a bit too long than it should have, but it's still good. After his bass solo was done, he segue nicely by playing the bass intro into Ghost Town (one of my favorite from the Hot Streak album). Kotzen had some time with the crowd only by himself with a keyboard and played something from his solo stuff which was very lovely. Oddly enough, I thought there would be a MP drum solo, and I was quite shocked when it didn't happen. That stated, he was very entertaining on the drums as he should be and very engaging with the crowd, making a lot of "I see you there, keep that enthusiasm going" pointing gestures.
Now the sad news. I didn't care about the first two opening bands. There was this one band that played their entire set instrumentally. It sounded nice and trippy at times and very flashy, but there wasn't anything memorable or something I want to listen to again. These are the moments where you truly do appreciate bands like DT where they can do the flashy stuff, but is able to keep the song together that makes you want to relisten to the song and the vocals and the lyrics. The first opening band was not that. The second opening band had that classic party rock vibe to me which was not going to do it for me from the get-go, but they sounded all right. Just something I wouldn't care to listen to again and I think the crowd was polite about those bands, but I don't think they care much for it as well.
Also more sad news. This place holds around 1,700 people and I think I can spot at least 500 people being there when Winery Dogs came out and I would think that 1,000 people being there was pushing it when it comes to the actual attendance. It's a bloody shame since the Groupon Voucher that costs $17.50 for this show was there for the last few weeks and only about 40 people bought it. Heck, there was one guy outside that was looking for a cheap ticket and I thought "Dude, if you took a look around in outlets like Groupon, you would have nabbed tickets at a lower price like I did." This was my view for the ticket I got for $14.00 behind the rail of the front section of GA. Pretty friken sweet, honestly. I felt that Winery Dogs honestly deserved to have played in front of a packed house, because they were really good from start to finish and the crowd was appreciative of them and the band noticed that as well and responded in kind.
(https://i.imgur.com/KGAQVbN.png)
Overall, yeah. For $14.00 for the ticket and $12 for parking, I had a tremendous time and probably got the best value this year for the price I paid to be at this show. I honestly enjoyed seeing Winery Dogs last night more than seeing DT back in March (the one guy standing on the chair really ruined a lot of the enjoyment of the show for me). I put this as my third favorite concert of the year so far, behind Within Temptation and Switchfoot, but if those shows didn't happen this year, I probably would have pegged The Winery Dogs as my favorite concert of the year at this point. Cheap ticket, cheap parking, great vibe, and venue next to Angels Stadium and all kinds of restaurants? What's not to love? I know that Delain is playing a show in this same venue in October and after the atmosphere I had at this place, I wouldn't mind buying a ticket now.
Go see these guys if the opportunity presents itself and the price is fitting. They did say that three years of being gone was too long and they want to do a new album and come back to doing shows again and it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. I wouldn't mind doing it again.
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I thought Billy seemed really happy playing with TWD, he sounded good too. Sucks it wasn't packed, but it seems like MP bands often only get like 500 people or so. The NYC show was packed but its also hometown and big city, that's definitely not the norm for them in other parts of the states. As long as you had a blast thats what matters and they put on a damn good show.
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I think the main issue was that they were also playing a show in the LA area the next night. I have observed that, unless you are a big-time arena sized band, if you do a show in both Orange Country and Los Angeles in the same leg, the attendance is going to suffer in one of those shows, most likely the OC show. I saw Big Wreck, last year, in a venue in Santa Ana that holds 300 people. Only 200 people came and they rarely tour in the states, but they also had another show in LA, but I would be pretty certain that the LA show would be packed.
Sons of Apollo had the same issue as well. Played a venue in LA that holds around 1,000. Had another show at the Anaheim House of Blues which holds 2,000 and there was a Groupon out for that Anaheim show and I think only about 20 people bought it. Not a good sign and I know I picked the better MP show here, last night, and that's not a big slight on SOA as it was Winery Dogs was really good and put a great show.
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The Winery Dogs - The Lamb Live @ Sony Music Hall NYC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
:corn :metal
such an awesome concert, place was packed and every song felt like it had something awesome musically to offer with jams and solos. Billy's bass was LOUD too.
Awesome Vid, Cram!
Winery Dogs honestly deserved to have played in front of a packed house, because they were really good from start to finish and the crowd was appreciative of them and the band noticed that as well and responded in kind.
Why do they deserve it? I mean, Cram's video is really cool, so they seem like a good club band, but that's about it. Their music is pretty boring IMO. Tons of other bands playing way better music.
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Why do they deserve it? I mean, Cram's video is really cool, so they seem like a good club band, but that's about it. Their music is pretty boring IMO. Tons of other bands playing way better music.
Tons of bands may have better music, but I don't think many bands are going to be as entertaining as these guys were on that night, imo. I had my doubts for whatever reasons, but when push comes to shove, I was thoroughly entertaining in anything these guys were doing. Besides, I paid $14.00 for my ticket. I thought there was a chance that these guys was going to just play their songs, not care at all, grab a paycheck, go home, not be interesting or engaging to the crowd. That did not feel like the case and they were playing their butts off as if they were playing in front of a packed crowd instead of like 500-1000 people. Of course, that's how I felt. Maybe I should go ahead and edit that part to, "I felt" to make things better then.
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I wouldn't describe their music as boring like TAC did, but I agree with him that there are tons of bands doing better music these days. I heard the first album a few times and it sounded pretty good, but I remember very little of it; there was not much that made me think, "I want to hear this again!" I suspect their live shows would be fun given that particular style, but they are simply not a band I would go out of my way to listen to or see.
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The Winery Dogs - The Lamb Live @ Sony Music Hall NYC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
:corn :metal
such an awesome concert, place was packed and every song felt like it had something awesome musically to offer with jams and solos. Billy's bass was LOUD too.
Awesome Vid, Cram!
Thanks, this video actually came out really well in terms of sound and picture. Unlike my Greta Van Fleet video :lol
But I'm not sure I agree with you guys. If you think they are boring, well there's nothing I can say to change that and I know you've given them a try, but while I don't think they deserve anything they do bring something to the table that is above club bands and that's their master musicianship. They sounded so tight and their abilities are above your average band, by far. I see a lot of shows and most of them don't come across as well as that Winery Dogs show in terms of three dudes performing at a high level. Lots of jamming too, you can easily see MP's eyes on Billy throughout my video as they work on timing and whatnot, I found that really awesome to see. Also it looked like they were having a lot of fun on stage, some arena bands don't give that vibe.
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The Winery Dogs - The Lamb Live @ Sony Music Hall NYC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
:corn :metal
such an awesome concert, place was packed and every song felt like it had something awesome musically to offer with jams and solos. Billy's bass was LOUD too.
Awesome Vid, Cram!
Thanks, this video actually came out really well in terms of sound and picture. Unlike my Greta Van Fleet video :lol
But I'm not sure I agree with you guys. If you think they are boring, well there's nothing I can say to change that and I know you've given them a try, but while I don't think they deserve anything they do bring something to the table that is above club bands and that's their master musicianship. They sounded so tight and their abilities are above your average band, by far. I see a lot of shows and most of them don't come across as well as that Winery Dogs show in terms of three dudes performing at a high level. Lots of jamming too, you can easily see MP's eyes on Billy throughout my video as they work on timing and whatnot, I found that really awesome to see. Also it looked like they were having a lot of fun on stage, some arena bands don't give that vibe.
Agree with the bolded part
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Winery Dogs freaking rule... first album is good but Hot Streak is so much better imo. I know that's an opinion way in the minority but I can't get enough Winery Dogs. I want a third album NOW...
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Winery Dogs freaking rule... first album is good but Hot Streak is so much better imo. I know that's an opinion way in the minority but I can't get enough Winery Dogs. I want a third album NOW...
agree with the bolded part too.
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:lol agreed about wanting another album, I'm torn about which one I like more. Both very consistently good albums, but Hot Streak has Ghost Town and The Lamb.
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:lol agreed about wanting another album, I'm torn about which one I like more. Both very consistently good albums, but Hot Streak has Ghost Town and The Lamb.
I like the first better but by thin hair
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I'm kind of with TAC and Cram on this. It's fun watching guys at the level of Mike and Billy play (I got to stand about three feet in front of Billy Sheehan for the last tour, and I STILL don't know how he did some of the things he did) but the music does little for me, and I don't quite get the "deserve" comment. What do musicians "deserve"? What does ANYONE "deserve"?
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All right, when I say deserve, I just feel like they worked hard at their live set and they played their butts off and that I felt that this is a band that should feasibly play in front of 1,500 people instead of 500-1000 people. In terms of the studio stuff, I thought for both albums that the songs were just there, nothing terrible, although there are some solid standouts like Ghost Town and The Bridge among others. That's how much I really liked their live set. That's how I feel about things when I say "they deserve all the success they had."
Jebus.
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Luca Turilli's Rhapsody had the first album ever produced for the Dolby Atmos sound system and was even submitted for a Grammy (not sure if it won). Historic album by that measure, at the very least. I saw them play to maybe 200 people in Chicago. Sometimes hard work just goes unappreciated in the business. C'est la vie. *shrug*
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Well, I apologize; I don't mean to pound on anyone for "deserve"; I just hate that word, I guess.
I remember being at the Genesis forum a couple years ago (it was more than that, because it was in the run-up to the 2007 stadium tour) and I got into a discussion with a member (in every sense of the word) that was up in arms because they were "only" doing a stadium tour (20 dates in Europe and 20 dates in the U.S.) as a trio, and he was convinced that if only Phil would "let" Pete and Steve come back they could do multiple nights in each stadium playing "The Lamb".
I never did find out what planet he was born on; he just had this belief that because he loved it, everyone would love it. The reality is, it's a business, and more often than not, if 500 people show up, it's because that's what their audience is. This isn't Mike's first tour after DT; he's a club/small theater artist at this point, full stop. It's been a decade now, and the needle has found it's equilibrium.
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And he did get his taste of big time playing with Avenged Sevenfold which ironically is when he then transitioned to a small theater musician
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Richie gave an update on the Dogs. Says they plan on getting together a few times over the year for some writing sessions. Says 2021 for a new album, maybe.
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-richie-kotzen/
We did a North American tour last year and had a great time. While on tour, we talked about getting together periodically in 2020 at each other’s homes and throw some ideas around; to see what we walk out of there with. Once we know we have some interesting ideas which are above and beyond the last two records, then we can talk timing and put something out. Assuming all of that comes together, it’s possible that in 2021 we can see some new music coming from the band.
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I really hope so. The Dogs are still my favorite post-DT Portnoy band, and it's mostly because of Richie Kotzen. Speaking of Richie, he just released '50 for 50' at the start of the month. I'm still working my way through it - it's 50 tracks, and much as I love Richie, a lot of it sounds like filler so far. I'm 30 songs in. There are some real gems though. "Devil's Hand" - I hope a song like that finds its way onto the next Dogs record.
I also still think Hot Streak was far and away better than the first record so I'm in the super minority here, but I hope the next one takes some cues from HS. "Spiral" and "Fire" and "The Devil You Know" are killer. So is "Think it Over" - please give me more like that!
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TWD is my favorite MP project at the moment and I also *think* I prefer Hot Streak to the debut. It’s close but I think I spin the second one more frequently these days (even though it has a couple notable low spots that weren’t on the first one). Fingers crossed that we can get something new in 2021.
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+1 on this being my favorite MP band. I like both albums fairly equally and their live show is awesome. I feel like I would like Ritchie's solo stuff but honestly, releasing a 50 song album just turns me off from the get go. I respect Ritchie's artistic vision and how he wanted his time away from TWD (which is what kind of lead to SOA) but I defintiely feel it's in his and MP's (probably Billy too) best interests if they focused more on TWD. Just my opinion, as I already said they are my favorite of MP's bands but I also think they are the most successful and have the most potential being more of a classic rock sounding band.
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Interesting about HOF's and Kattelox's pov. I prefer the S/T over Hot Streak. Hot Streaks sounds more like a Kotzen solo album. Very similar arrangements in the vein of Salting Earth and Cannibals (Kotzen's last two albums prior to 50/50).
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I think for me Hot Streak is a little more musically diverse, though I really am not trying to slag the debut by saying that. I loved them both, and I think the debut is more consistent throughout. But I think Hot Streak might have higher highs if that makes sense.
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The first album is great, but the highlights of Hot Streak put it over the top for me personally. Both records are my favorite thing MP's done outside of DT. Honestly, Spiral and Fire are the two that make the album my favorite, I just love those tracks to death.
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The funny thing is I would say Fire is a low point on Hot Streak (along with Captain Love and the title track). The two I love that most people don’t seem to are The Bridge and The Lamb. But How Long, Empire, Ghost Town, Spiral are all up there too.
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The page isn't opening anymore.
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The page isn't opening anymore.
If you're referring to the Sonic Perspectives article, it's working here at the moment.
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Richie released an album called 50 For 50 earlier this month and I went through and picked out my very favorites in case anybody's interested in checking the record out but just doesn't have time for 50 songs from one artist all at once (it's 3.5 hours long). Obviously these won't all click for everybody but I figured I'd share in case anyone wants to give it a shot. There's so much good stuff on this record, but these are the ones that left the biggest impact on me (usually determined by how strong the hook is, chiefly).
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5o82SDCDHgmcj6JOAYnsxj?si=KwpJ7NQUT3KO92QEn36JWA
Wouldn't mind the next Dogs record sounding like some of these. Wide Open could be a could Dogs tune.
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https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/356552862506058/
The Dogs are back in Town! 🍷🐾 #TWD3
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/212736826_356552835839394_6611854771781083368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=no1CSOSNbEMAX80Bm5x&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=1526fed77794e5bc56c859b7b0d75399&oe=60EAA531)
I guess this explains where MP was flying to the other day!
-Marc.
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Great news, I love TWD most out of any post DT MP band :metal :metal
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https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/356552862506058/
The Dogs are back in Town! 🍷🐾 #TWD3
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/212736826_356552835839394_6611854771781083368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=no1CSOSNbEMAX80Bm5x&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=1526fed77794e5bc56c859b7b0d75399&oe=60EAA531)
I guess this explains where MP was flying to the other day!
-Marc.
Just saw this (and thought that might be where he was flying). This is my favorite MP project since he left DT actually. Glad they are making another album!
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Hopefully they can return to a more collaborative approach like the 1st one. The 2nd sounded more like a Richie solo album.
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Kotzen looks like he just rapped with the burning bush on Mt Sinai.
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Kotzen looks like he just rapped with the burning bush on Mt Sinai.
Gee, and I thought he looked like Tempus Vox. ;D
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Hopefully they can return to a more collaborative approach like the 1st one. The 2nd sounded more like a Richie solo album.
Initially I didn’t think the second one stacked up to the first, but I revisit it more often than the debut these days.
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Are they in Arizona?
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Kotzen looks like he just rapped with the burning bush on Mt Sinai.
Haha, good call!!
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Man, they all look super old.
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Kotzen looks like he just rapped with the burning bush on Mt Sinai.
:rollin
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Man, they all look super old.
Sheehan is 68. He’s stayed relatively ageless looking for a long time, but he really does look older here.
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More power to them, for that. Nothing worse than the aging rock star with the stringy jet-black dyed hair, which makes their already haggard and drawn-out faces look that much more haggard and drawn-out.
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More power to them, for that. Nothing worse than the aging rock star with the stringy jet-black dyed hair, which makes their already haggard and drawn-out faces look that much more haggard and drawn-out.
Hey now, just because it’s a Winery Dogs thread doesn’t mean you gotta bash the remaining DT members! ;) :lol
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More power to them, for that. Nothing worse than the aging rock star with the stringy jet-black dyed hair, which makes their already haggard and drawn-out faces look that much more haggard and drawn-out.
Like Simmons and Stanley? :lol
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Certainly Simmons. That raccoon hat he wears is ridiculous. Paul always looks pale, not sure why, but he's not that bad looking for pushing 70. I was thinking more of those vampires that used to play on Sunset Blvd in the 80's and 90's. :) :)
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is that a blue version of the korg SV ?
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1414685890966802433/photo/4
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More power to them, for that. Nothing worse than the aging rock star with the stringy jet-black dyed hair, which makes their already haggard and drawn-out faces look that much more haggard and drawn-out.
Definitely.
Steve Vai, for example, had the off-putting mono-coloured hair of someone blatantly dying it until he let his natural grey out recently and he looks way better for it.
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Doesn't Steve Vai have light-blue hair?
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More power to them, for that. Nothing worse than the aging rock star with the stringy jet-black dyed hair, which makes their already haggard and drawn-out faces look that much more haggard and drawn-out.
Definitely.
Steve Vai, for example, had the off-putting mono-coloured hair of someone blatantly dying it until he let his natural grey out recently and he looks way better for it.
Yeah. I've never been a massive Vai fan or anything but he came up in my YouTube suggestions a couple of weeks ago. Thought he a) looked great and b) spoke incredibly thoughtfully.
Not that it's any of our business - of course - but perhaps JP's wife ought to have a word in his shell-like and ask him to put the black dye down :biggrin: Although the dyed black beard sure ain't helping, either.
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FINALLY diving into my vocal & percussion tracks for #TWD3 Having been away from these tracks for so long, it’s awesome hearing them again with fresh ears! Some GREAT songs…wow! Can’t wait to finally release this (and no, we don’t have a release date yet…)
The Winery Dogs
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277303265_517223026439040_8311830701789917722_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Vs_Yah1VuVMAX9pFB73&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-q1dDIpQSbWxMQnsDcPhhwEaWuCM9EFN9QmTZ7ZmL5WA&oe=62410A79)
-Marc.
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FINALLY diving into my vocal & percussion tracks for #TWD3 🎙🪘Having been away from these tracks for so long, it’s awesome hearing them again with fresh ears! Some GREAT songs…wow! Can’t wait to finally release this (and no, we don’t have a release date yet…)
The Winery Dogs 🍷🐾
(https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/517223056439037/)
-Marc.
Good luck with those, Marc!
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FINALLY diving into my vocal & percussion tracks for #TWD3 🎙🪘Having been away from these tracks for so long, it’s awesome hearing them again with fresh ears! Some GREAT songs…wow! Can’t wait to finally release this (and no, we don’t have a release date yet…)
The Winery Dogs 🍷🐾
(https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/517223056439037/)
-Marc.
Good luck with those, Marc!
LOL. Marc Portnoy!
Seriously though, looking forward to another TWD album.
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FINALLY diving into my vocal & percussion tracks for #TWD3 🎙🪘Having been away from these tracks for so long, it’s awesome hearing them again with fresh ears! Some GREAT songs…wow! Can’t wait to finally release this (and no, we don’t have a release date yet…)
The Winery Dogs 🍷🐾
(https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/517223056439037/)
-Marc.
Good luck with those, Marc!
Thanks, but I was actually quoting MinistroRaven. ;)
-Marc.
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
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lol wtf
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
I meant no harm or malice, just a bit of fun. Hope you weren't offended by that. I, and I'm sure everyone else here, enjoys your speedy updates on all the bands we love! Thanks for all you do!
-Marc.
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
I truly hope you'll reconsider—you're a genuinely cool dude and your enthusiasm and professionalism have been appreciated (at least by me).
Not sure I will ever understand what drives grown adults to resort to high-schoolish behavior and/or poke fun at a guy who's simply delivering some relevant news to a forum, but what can you do?
Your website and writing are a labor of love, and as a fellow writer, I recognize and appreciate that.
Just ignore the petty comments and keep doing you!
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
They’ve never bothered me (or anyone else I don’t think). Always appreciate you sharing the info!
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
They’ve never bothered me (or anyone else I don’t think). Always appreciate you sharing the info!
He was straight-up called out a while back on one of these threads, so he has gotten some flack recently. Again, he's just posting news, so I'm not sure how or why that would irk someone, but it apparently does.
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I thought it was all just joking around
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I thought it was all just joking around
:huh:
Apparently not?
I don't want to speculate (or speak for anyone), I'm just offering my perception.
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
I meant no harm or malice, just a bit of fun. Hope you weren't offended by that. I, and I'm sure everyone else here, enjoys your speedy updates on all the bands we love! Thanks for all you do!
-Marc.
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Yes, all I do is share press releases, and it seems there's a problem with it to you all, according to your post.
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
I meant no harm or malice, just a bit of fun. Hope you weren't offended by that. I, and I'm sure everyone else here, enjoys your speedy updates on all the bands we love! Thanks for all you do!
-Marc.
(https://i.ibb.co/342Z62F/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-03-24-a-la-s-12-11-38.png)
Yes, all I do is share press releases, and it seems there's a problem with it to you all, according to your post.
I've sent you a PM.
-Marc.
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If my posts are a problem/burden or whatever to you guys, enjoy the forum. I don’t have anything more to say Or share here.
Have fun and enjoy the forum.
I meant no harm or malice, just a bit of fun. Hope you weren't offended by that. I, and I'm sure everyone else here, enjoys your speedy updates on all the bands we love! Thanks for all you do!
-Marc.
(https://i.ibb.co/342Z62F/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-03-24-a-la-s-12-11-38.png)
Yes, all I do is share press releases, and it seems there's a problem with it to you all, according to your post.
I've sent you a PM.
-Marc.
I replied.
Thanks for your PM.
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MP on Twitter/FB just now:
https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/1571689319290769409?s=46&t=5oIeF-cAzz1L4uti4qclkQ
Look who I went and saw tonight! Great seeing @Richie_Kotzen and his band (and sitting in for a song) tonight in PA…Can’t wait to release the new @TheWineryDogs album and hit the road in ‘23! (Album & Tour info coming soon…😉) 🍷🐾
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I accidentally clicked on the first page in this thread and it was fun to read all the reactions by people initially thinking this was an MP and John Sykes project and then wasn’t. MP himself even commented about the situation with Sykes back on page 3! I had no idea he was active here post-DT split but he last posted in 2014 it appears. Crazy.
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MP on Twitter/FB just now:
https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/1571689319290769409?s=46&t=5oIeF-cAzz1L4uti4qclkQ
Look who I went and saw tonight! Great seeing @Richie_Kotzen and his band (and sitting in for a song) tonight in PA…Can’t wait to release the new @TheWineryDogs album and hit the road in ‘23! (Album & Tour info coming soon…😉) 🍷🐾
I get "stage clothes" and all, but I'm pretty sure Richie is wearing the same clothes he wore when I saw him with Winery Dogs back in 2015 (I have a picture somewhere).
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Reminds me of those buckle pants JP was wearing seemingly every show.
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MP posted what appears to be artwork for The Winery Dogs III. Hopefully we get word of a release date soon.
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1591153846537318400?s=20&t=Cips18_TgOYi6SJmHd9owQ
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He also previously mentioned touring with TWD in 2023 so I'm sure we are going to hear about the new album, single, and tour announcement soon.
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Is that a pumpkin?
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Is that a pumpkin?
That's been the logo since the start. I think it's two grapes, or something like that to do with wine.
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ran into Mike after the LA JP/MP show and he told us the release would be Feb 3, and that news would be coming soon. Excited for more Winery Dogs!
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ran into Mike after the LA JP/MP show and he told us the release would be Feb 3, and that news would be coming soon. Excited for more Winery Dogs!
Nice! That's sooner than I expected. Looking forward to it.
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Yeah, that's pretty soon so maybe an announcement next week to start the promotion cycle.
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Is that a pumpkin?
That's been the logo since the start. I think it's two grapes, or something like that to do with wine.
It's the stain of two glasses of wine on a table.
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ran into Mike after the LA JP/MP show and he told us the release would be Feb 3, and that news would be coming soon. Excited for more Winery Dogs!
Cool! I'd see another show depending on where.
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Is that a pumpkin?
That's been the logo since the start. I think it's two grapes, or something like that to do with wine.
It's the stain of two glasses of wine on a table.
Looks like a pumpkin.
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MP posted on FB:
The 1st festival date for The Winery Dogs in 2023 has been revealed!! That’s right…we are going to COME TO BRAZIL!! 🇧🇷 April 30th at Summer Breeze Brasil in São Paulo!
Note: although this is the 1st TWD ‘23 show to be “revealed”…there is ALOT coming in ‘23, even before this festival…more info coming VERY soon! 😉🍷🐾
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That festival has an amazing line up IMO
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THE WINERY DOGS NEW ALBUM, ‘III,’ SET FOR RELEASE FEBRUARY III, 202III
PRE-ORDERS AND FIRST SINGLE,“XANADU,” AVAILABLE STARTING DECEMBER 9th
THE 1st PAW OF “202III WORLD TOUR” BEGINS FEBRUARY 15th
The Winery Dogs: RICHIE KOTZEN, MIKE PORTNOY & BILLY SHEEHAN, are back in full force with their aptly named third album III, which is set for release on February III, 2023. Following in the footsteps of their first two albums, III was once again self-produced by The Winery Dogs and mixed by longtime band associate Jay Ruston.
Pre-orders will be available starting Friday, December 9 on CD and all digital formats, which include an instant download of the album’s first song to be released, “Xanadu.” A vinyl edition of III will also be forthcoming in a few months as well.
Here’s the complete track listing for III:
1. Xanadu
2. Mad World
3. Breakthrough
4. Rise
5. Stars
6. The Vengeance
7. Pharaoh
8. Gaslight
9. Lorelei
10. The Red Wine
In addition to the new music, fans will also be excited to hear that the trio is hitting the worldwide concert trail starting February 15 in Greensburg, PA at the Palace Theatre for their “202III World Tour.” Ticket and VIP package info can be found on the band’s official website.
The 1st Paw of THE WINERY DOGS 202III World Tour will cover most of the US (with more cities to be announced in the coming weeks/months) as well as 3 shows in Brazil.
US:
Feb 15th - Greensburg, PA - Palace Theater
Feb 16th - Jim Thorpe, PA - Penn’s Peak
Feb 17th - Glenside, PA - Keswick Theater
Feb 18th - Patchogue, NY - Patchogue Theater
Feb 21st - New York City, NY - Sony Hall
Feb 22nd - Baltimore, MD - Ram Heads Live
Feb 23rd - Sayreville, NJ - Starland Ballroom
Feb 25th - Ridgefield, CT - Ridgefield Playhouse
Feb 26th - Derry, NH - Tupelo Music Hall
March 1st - Columbus, OH - King Of Clubs
March 2nd - Cleveland, OH - Agora Theater
March 5th - Green Bay, WI - Epic Event Center
March 6th - Minneapolis, MN - Fine Line Music Cafe
March 9th - Milwaukee, WI - Pabst Theater
March 10th - St Charles, IL - Arcada Theater
March 11th - Detroit, MI - Token Lounge
March 13th - Grand Rapids, MI - DeVos Hall
March 14th - Harrison, OH - Blue Note
March 17th - Dallas, TX - Amplified
March 18th - Cedar Park, TX - The Haute Spot
March 19th - Houston, TX - Warehouse Live Ballroom
March 21st - New Orleans, LA - House Of Blues
March 22nd - Birmingham AL - Iron City
March 24th - St Petersburg, FL - Jannus Live
March 25th - Ft Lauderdale, FL - Culture Room
March 26th - Orlando, FL - The Plaza
March 30th - Virginia Beach, VA - Elevation 27
March 31st - Hopewell VA - Hopewell Theater
April 1st - Leesburg, VA - Tally Ho Theater
April 2nd - Charlotte, NC - The Underground
April 4th - Asheville, NC - Orange Peel
April 5th - Knoxville, TN - The Mill & Mine
April 6th - Nashville, TN - Brooklyn Bowl
BRAZIL:
April 27th - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Vivo Rio (w Stone Temple Pilots)
April 28th - Curitiba, Brazil - Tork n Roll (w Skid Row)
April 30th - São Paulo, Brazil - Summer Breeze Festival
-Marc.
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So, do we think Xanadu is a cover? For that matter, Mad World too!
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So, do we think Xanadu is a cover?
Rush or Olivia Newton John?
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So, do we think Xanadu is a cover?
Rush or Olivia Newton John?
Mash up of the two!
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Three shows in VA? Wow.
I’ve always been kinda indifferent to TWD, but my mom loves them. I took her to see them for her birthday last time they were in town. I’m sure she’ll want to go to at least one of these shows.
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Looking forward to new material from them, and very glad to see a weekend Orlando date :hat
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So, do we think Xanadu is a cover?
Rush or Olivia Newton John?
Mash up of the two!
Now I know this might be controversial but I actually prefer Newton John's Xanadu :biggrin: Although I do also like Rush's entry.
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Fine Line in Minneapolis March 6th?..literally the day before Riverside in St.Paul, lol..
never seen either, and not hugely into either..hmm
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Whether it’s a cover or not, now I kind of do want to hear TWD cover Xanadu just out of curiosity.
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Ridgefield; if the prices are reasonable, I'd go again even if I'm not super thrilled about the music.
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So, do we think Xanadu is a cover?
Rush or Olivia Newton John?
Mash up of the two!
3rDegree already did it.
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So, do we think Xanadu is a cover?
Rush or Olivia Newton John?
Mash up of the two!
3rDegree already did it.
Dammit Nick, I thought I wiped that from my memory.
My choice is Keswick or Starland.
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Xanadu will be played on Eddie Trunk's show tomorrow.
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I'm in for the Keswick show.
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I wish I could make the Starland show, a much closer and more convenient venue for me, but I bought a VIP table seat for the Sony Music Hall show since that's the date that works for me. I've only been to one show there before, to see Winery Dogs, and bought the same VIP table ticket and was able to have a great view as I saw that the GA pit looked like a terrible experience. Should give me a good vantage point to get more video like this: The Winery Dogs - The Lamb LIVE @ Sony Music Hall NYC 5/3/19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
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I'm in for the Keswick show.
+1 :tup
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I'm in for the Keswick show.
For my money, the drive 65 min (NJTP to PaTP), the easy parking (right around corner), the great theater and atmosphere, makes the Keswick my absolute favorite place to see a show :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Sucks that the VIP is 300 bucks. Disappointed at the high price. But they are playing like 5 mins from work so I'll definitely be going (Cedar Park, TX).
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I wish I could make the Starland show
I'll probably hit the Starland show as well. 15 minute drive. Just not crazy about the standing GA anymore.
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I wish I could make the Starland show
I'll probably hit the Starland show as well. 15 minute drive. Just not crazy about the standing GA anymore.
Starland has a special place in my heart, being a local as well, but the shows there are hit or miss. If it's sold out or close to, it's not a good place to see a show. But Winery Dogs won't sell it out at all, so I think it would be great to see them there like in 2015. I've never looked into their VIP seating sections, but they are small and in the corners so I'm not sure it's really worth it other than for having a seat.
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I wish I could make the Starland show, a much closer and more convenient venue for me, but I bought a VIP table seat for the Sony Music Hall show since that's the date that works for me. I've only been to one show there before, to see Winery Dogs, and bought the same VIP table ticket and was able to have a great view as I saw that the GA pit looked like a terrible experience. Should give me a good vantage point to get more video like this: The Winery Dogs - The Lamb LIVE @ Sony Music Hall NYC 5/3/19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
I did that for Neal Morse and Flying Colors (though I stood for Flying Colors). Excellent choice.
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I wish I could make the Starland show, a much closer and more convenient venue for me, but I bought a VIP table seat for the Sony Music Hall show since that's the date that works for me. I've only been to one show there before, to see Winery Dogs, and bought the same VIP table ticket and was able to have a great view as I saw that the GA pit looked like a terrible experience. Should give me a good vantage point to get more video like this: The Winery Dogs - The Lamb LIVE @ Sony Music Hall NYC 5/3/19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
I did that for Neal Morse and Flying Colors (though I stood for Flying Colors). Excellent choice.
Yeah, it's a bit more money, but I don't mind when it's a band I like and really want to see. I may stick with GA for other bands, but seeing TWD again? Yeah, I'll pony up a little more for an actual view. I'd love to stand, but last time everyone sat in those seats so I'll likely do the same and follow along.
As for VIP meet and greet, I thought the price was fair for what you get, but I've met MP and BS before at a SOA meet and greet so I don't feel the need to triple my costs to do that. I spent an insane amount already on concert tickets.
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I'm in for the Keswick show.
For my money, the drive 65 min (NJTP to PaTP), the easy parking (right around corner), the great theater and atmosphere, makes the Keswick my absolute favorite place to see a show :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
It's a little further for me, from Harrisburg, but I've driven much worse for a show.
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I wish I could make the Starland show, a much closer and more convenient venue for me, but I bought a VIP table seat for the Sony Music Hall show since that's the date that works for me. I've only been to one show there before, to see Winery Dogs, and bought the same VIP table ticket and was able to have a great view as I saw that the GA pit looked like a terrible experience. Should give me a good vantage point to get more video like this: The Winery Dogs - The Lamb LIVE @ Sony Music Hall NYC 5/3/19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcsIKkeC_s)
I did that for Neal Morse and Flying Colors (though I stood for Flying Colors). Excellent choice.
Yeah, it's a bit more money, but I don't mind when it's a band I like and really want to see. I may stick with GA for other bands, but seeing TWD again? Yeah, I'll pony up a little more for an actual view. I'd love to stand, but last time everyone sat in those seats so I'll likely do the same and follow along.
As for VIP meet and greet, I thought the price was fair for what you get, but I've met MP and BS before at a SOA meet and greet so I don't feel the need to triple my costs to do that. I spent an insane amount already on concert tickets.
That's from my seat; I sat with Axeman; it was a wonderful evening (sorry for the photo quality):
(https://i.imgur.com/KZ0m61x.jpg)
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Listening to the new song (Xanadu) on Eddie Trunk's show right now. It's very cool. Full of little riffs and a cool chorus. Can't wait to hear the full album and see the video tomorrow.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7sOvnilGzA
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The song is executed well. The production is great. Mike's drums, as usual sound perfect. But, it doesn't connect with me at all. I'm sure other people will love it.
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The song is executed well. The production is great. Mike's drums, as usual sound perfect. But, it doesn't connect with me at all. I'm sure other people will love it.
Yeah, doesn't jump out as one of their best, but the lead "singles" for Hot Streak were among my least favorites on that one too.
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Eh. Good Winery Dogs song, but this is not my favorite Mike endeavor.
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Song is good, but too similar to past singles. It's fun and I like the ending. I hope the rest of the album isn't too much of the same.
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PRE ORDER INFO + OFFICIAL VIDEO
HERE IT IS!! The World Premiere Video for The Winery Dogs brand new song ‘Xanadu’ from the forthcoming album ‘III’ (available on Feb III, 202III)
Digital Pre-orders for the album are now available here:
https://linktr.ee/thewinerydogs
Pre-save the album now and enter into a contest to win a Richie Kotzen Signature Fender Telecaster
Watch the Vicente Cordero Directed Video for Xanadu here:
https://youtu.be/hAUnJeYvKGM
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Just really average blues dad rock which I’ve heard a million times before done much better. Cool for them if they have fun making music together but not sure who they think is going to buy this beyond super diehard fans of Portnoy and/or Kotzen. This is even a step down from their earlier stuff.
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Good song IMO. Great playing but sounds too similar to "Hot Streak" to me.
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The song was going great until the chorus.
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I'm in for the Keswick show.
For my money, the drive 65 min (NJTP to PaTP), the easy parking (right around corner), the great theater and atmosphere, makes the Keswick my absolute favorite place to see a show :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Totally agree. Can't justify paying more to get in and out of NYC than the price of the show these days.
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Can I just say that this frequent naming convention in MP’s bands is kinda dumb? :lol
“It’s our third album so we called it III!”
“It’s our second album so we called it Second Nature!”
“It’s our third cover album so we called it Cov3r to Cov3r!”
“This album came out in 2020 so we called it MMXX!”
Obviously it doesn’t always reflect the quality of the music, but given how often it happens, it just strikes me as lazy. You worked hard on this music surely, so why not give it a better name?
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Can I just say that this frequent naming convention in MP’s bands is kinda dumb? :lol
“It’s our third album so we called it III!”
“It’s our second album so we called it Second Nature!”
“It’s our third cover album so we called it Cov3r to Cov3r!”
“This album came out in 2020 so we called it MMXX!”
Obviously it doesn’t always reflect the quality of the music, but given how often it happens, it just strikes me as lazy. You worked hard on this music surely, so why not give it a better name?
I guess it worked for Peter Gabriel!
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New song is good, exactly what I expect and want from this band.
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I dig the new song. It's very much in the template that Elevate and Hot Streak set as the debut singles, but I like both of those songs so I'm not complaining. Looking forward to the new album and especially the tour.
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Does zero for me.
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This popped up on my youtube last night so I ended up watching it.
Justin Hawkins listens to Xanadu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9QMk2Z-B5c)
Today I have just heard The Winery Dogs music for the first time! In this video we're going to listen to their new song Xanadu. This is a band with some legendary musicians in it, let's see if they live up to their names! What do you think?
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Does zero for me.
Yeah.....I can't say that there is a single song of theirs that has captured my interest in the least bit. Pretty vanilla and bland across the board
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Album review
https://lotsofmuzik.com/the-winery-dogs-iii-album-review-by-micheal-radu/
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Album review
https://lotsofmuzik.com/the-winery-dogs-iii-album-review-by-micheal-radu/
:tup
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Premier of the Mad World video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0LrdTWA9OA
Now this one is more like it! TWD are best when they are leaning on the more soulful side of their sound. This one sounds great.
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Again, same as everything they do - well executed and sonically perfect but has zero feels for me. Lots of people love them though and that's all that matters. Just isn't my thing.
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I like this a lot more than Xanadu, the chorus gives me big Train vibes with those background vocals.
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Album review
https://lotsofmuzik.com/the-winery-dogs-iii-album-review-by-micheal-radu/
I love this band. I was already a fan of Richie's work, so, adding MP and Sheehan, just improved everything in his music.
I'm happy that it's not a 35 minutes album, like it seems a bit of a trend nowadays. 52 minutes is a cool lenght for a shorter album IMO. I hope the last song is an instrumental one (it seems so because of its description and the title).
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So has anybody been able to pre-order the CD version of the album? The press release for the new album said CD pre-orders would be available starting 12/9. I kind of spaced on that and just now went looking for it on Amazon. They only have pre-orders for the download version and no info about a CD release anywhere. The band website only has links to Spotify when you click on the "pre-order" link. Surely they aren't done taking pre-orders, right?
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Again, same as everything they do - well executed and sonically perfect but has zero feels for me. Lots of people love them though and that's all that matters. Just isn't my thing.
Same. Just isn’t there for me with them.
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So has anybody been able to pre-order the CD version of the album? The press release for the new album said CD pre-orders would be available starting 12/9. I kind of spaced on that and just now went looking for it on Amazon. They only have pre-orders for the download version and no info about a CD release anywhere. The band website only has links to Spotify when you click on the "pre-order" link. Surely they aren't done taking pre-orders, right?
I noticed this today as well. Can't find a physical pre-order anywhere and their website is no help. Is this still on a label or is this self-released? It appears their label is out of business so I wonder who is handling this.
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So has anybody been able to pre-order the CD version of the album? The press release for the new album said CD pre-orders would be available starting 12/9. I kind of spaced on that and just now went looking for it on Amazon. They only have pre-orders for the download version and no info about a CD release anywhere. The band website only has links to Spotify when you click on the "pre-order" link. Surely they aren't done taking pre-orders, right?
I noticed this today as well. Can't find a physical pre-order anywhere and their website is no help. Is this still on a label or is this self-released? It appears their label is out of business so I wonder who is handling this.
Yeah, the album announcement doesn't mention a label. I saw other people asking MP about a physical release on twitter, so I guess maybe it's going to be streaming only? That seems hard to believe, but maybe they are looking for a new label to release it and just wanted to get it out for streaming/download ahead of the tour?
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Album review
https://lotsofmuzik.com/the-winery-dogs-iii-album-review-by-micheal-radu/
Billy picked up our review:
(https://i.ibb.co/0VDd06d/Captura-de-pantalla-2023-01-08-a-la-s-12-51-08.png) (https://ibb.co/Xk2vnKv)
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Album review
https://lotsofmuzik.com/the-winery-dogs-iii-album-review-by-micheal-radu/
Billy picked up our review:
(https://i.ibb.co/0VDd06d/Captura-de-pantalla-2023-01-08-a-la-s-12-51-08.png) (https://ibb.co/Xk2vnKv)
:tup
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So has anybody been able to pre-order the CD version of the album? The press release for the new album said CD pre-orders would be available starting 12/9. I kind of spaced on that and just now went looking for it on Amazon. They only have pre-orders for the download version and no info about a CD release anywhere. The band website only has links to Spotify when you click on the "pre-order" link. Surely they aren't done taking pre-orders, right?
I noticed this today as well. Can't find a physical pre-order anywhere and their website is no help. Is this still on a label or is this self-released? It appears their label is out of business so I wonder who is handling this.
Yeah, the album announcement doesn't mention a label. I saw other people asking MP about a physical release on twitter, so I guess maybe it's going to be streaming only? That seems hard to believe, but maybe they are looking for a new label to release it and just wanted to get it out for streaming/download ahead of the tour?
Amazon finally has a physical version up for pre-order. Says the label is Three Dog Music, so this is clearly self-released. Wonder why they didn't hunt for a label.
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So has anybody been able to pre-order the CD version of the album? The press release for the new album said CD pre-orders would be available starting 12/9. I kind of spaced on that and just now went looking for it on Amazon. They only have pre-orders for the download version and no info about a CD release anywhere. The band website only has links to Spotify when you click on the "pre-order" link. Surely they aren't done taking pre-orders, right?
I noticed this today as well. Can't find a physical pre-order anywhere and their website is no help. Is this still on a label or is this self-released? It appears their label is out of business so I wonder who is handling this.
Yeah, the album announcement doesn't mention a label. I saw other people asking MP about a physical release on twitter, so I guess maybe it's going to be streaming only? That seems hard to believe, but maybe they are looking for a new label to release it and just wanted to get it out for streaming/download ahead of the tour?
Amazon finally has a physical version up for pre-order. Says the label is Three Dog Music, so this is clearly self-released. Wonder why they didn't hunt for a label.
Interesting. Must be a lot going on with the industry that we don't know about.
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I interviewed Billy on Friday for the first time. He was so cool! I'll post it here when it's published - hopefully this week.
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I interviewed Billy on Friday for the first time. He was so cool! I'll post it here when it's published - hopefully this week.
:tup
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So has anybody been able to pre-order the CD version of the album? The press release for the new album said CD pre-orders would be available starting 12/9. I kind of spaced on that and just now went looking for it on Amazon. They only have pre-orders for the download version and no info about a CD release anywhere. The band website only has links to Spotify when you click on the "pre-order" link. Surely they aren't done taking pre-orders, right?
I noticed this today as well. Can't find a physical pre-order anywhere and their website is no help. Is this still on a label or is this self-released? It appears their label is out of business so I wonder who is handling this.
Yeah, the album announcement doesn't mention a label. I saw other people asking MP about a physical release on twitter, so I guess maybe it's going to be streaming only? That seems hard to believe, but maybe they are looking for a new label to release it and just wanted to get it out for streaming/download ahead of the tour?
Amazon finally has a physical version up for pre-order. Says the label is Three Dog Music, so this is clearly self-released. Wonder why they didn't hunt for a label.
Interesting. Must be a lot going on with the industry that we don't know about.
Richie has been self-releasing his solo albums for quite sometime. He probably knows more about the distribution and the business side of doing it yourself. Basically they are removing the middle man by doing it themselves.
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
:tup
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Just finished watching this one, very well done bud. Aside from the ACDC and UFO reference you were spot on so it was Billy. Nice that he also took the time and play live during the interview
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Yeah, I got confused with that AC/DC scenario...but he was kind in his correction - he could have been an asshole about it.
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Yeah, I got confused with that AC/DC scenario...but he was kind in his correction - he could have been an asshole about it.
He seems like the nicer guy to talk, I think he was kind for sure.
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If you think, you stink :lol great line from Billy in that interview
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Really liked the new single. :tup
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Did you have to get approval from the Church of Scientology to conduct this interview?
:P :P
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Did you have to get approval from the Church of Scientology to conduct this interview?
:P :P
Didn't need to, I'm a scientologist myself and I'm higher up than Billy. If he refused the interview, I would have him clean my toilet for a few months.
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Finally had a chance to sit down and watch this. Great stuff! Really enjoyed it. Great question about how playing in 3 piece bands helped develop Billy's style.
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Did you have to get approval from the Church of Scientology to conduct this interview?
:P :P
Didn't need to, I'm a scientologist myself and I'm higher up than Billy. If he refused the interview, I would have him clean my toilet for a few months.
:D :D
Really interesting that ACDC/UFO story. Billy must have really impressed the UFO guys, as he was remembered by the band after Talas opened for them only one time!!
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Finally had a chance to sit down and watch this. Great stuff! Really enjoyed it. Great question about how playing in 3 piece bands helped develop Billy's style.
Thanks! I watched it again, and honestly, I was completely starstruck talking to him. There were things he said during the interview I think I could have explored a bit further, but I was really nervous. Glad it didn't compromise the end result completely.
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Did you have to get approval from the Church of Scientology to conduct this interview?
:P :P
Didn't need to, I'm a scientologist myself and I'm higher up than Billy. If he refused the interview, I would have him clean my toilet for a few months.
:D :D
Really interesting that ACDC/UFO story. Billy must have really impressed the UFO guys, as he was remembered by the band after Talas opened for them only one time!!
He was actually brought to London to play with them at one point - I don't remember if this was with UFO or with one of the iterations of the Michael Schenker Group. But he mentioned Schenker was too drunk at the time, so the sessions didn't go anywhere.
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Here's the interview with Billy - hope you guys enjoy it!!!!
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-billy-sheehan/?fbclid=IwAR1s4X5vduQ6A6vCjNMjF4-UGJokWbyKlCs6yCOOivJjtg5FYxyVZpwzZb0
Did you have to get approval from the Church of Scientology to conduct this interview?
:P :P
Didn't need to, I'm a scientologist myself and I'm higher up than Billy. If he refused the interview, I would have him clean my toilet for a few months.
:D :D
Really interesting that ACDC/UFO story. Billy must have really impressed the UFO guys, as he was remembered by the band after Talas opened for them only one time!!
He was actually brought to London to play with them at one point - I don't remember if this was with UFO or with one of the iterations of the Michael Schenker Group. But he mentioned Schenker was too drunk at the time, so the sessions didn't go anywhere.
He did a bunch of sessions for Michael in 1979 in anticipation of the launch of The Michael Schenker Group. He didn't appear on the first album; that was Mo Foster, but one of the re-releases of the first record had demos on which he appeared.
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Really interesting that ACDC/UFO story. Billy must have really impressed the UFO guys, as he was remembered by the band after Talas opened for them only one time!!
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He was actually brought to London to play with them at one point - I don't remember if this was with UFO or with one of the iterations of the Michael Schenker Group. But he mentioned Schenker was too drunk at the time, so the sessions didn't go anywhere.
Tim(TAC) can detail that better than me, but Billy played in the MSG first album demos (the expanded version of the album has at least some of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Michael_Schenker_Group_(album)#2009_Reissue_bonus_tracks) and also played with UFO in some shows of the Making Contact tour.
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My review of "III" was published today:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/the-winery-dogs-iii/
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My review of "III" was published today:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/the-winery-dogs-iii/
very nice review Rod.... I dig all things Richie
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My review of "III" was published today:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/the-winery-dogs-iii/
very nice review Rod.... I dig all things Richie
Thank you!!!!
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Well said.
Anyway, Amazon just pushed the CD out 2 weeks to the 17th.
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Well said.
Anyway, Amazon just pushed the CD out 2 weeks to the 17th.
agreed TAC nailed it... I could not have said it better.. : )
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Haven't had a chance to check it out but has anyone else heard the new album?
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I'm waiting for my copy of the CD to listen. Amazon bumped it back down to 2/8 yesterday after saying it would be even later the other day. We'll see when I get it.
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Haven't had a chance to check it out but has anyone else heard the new album?
I'd love to read everyone's thoughts on the album, and see if they agree with my review. I love it!
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I'll have to give it some listens this weekend
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Haven't had a chance to check it out but has anyone else heard the new album?
I'd love to read everyone's thoughts on the album, and see if they agree with my review. I love it!
It's all a bit 'meh' to me at the moment; nothing particularly memorable.
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Haven't had a chance to check it out but has anyone else heard the new album?
I'd love to read everyone's thoughts on the album, and see if they agree with my review. I love it!
It's all a bit 'meh' to me at the moment; nothing particularly memorable.
Totally agree with nobloodyname, this album is very 'meh' to me. It could be that I am just not in the mood for it but it is really not doing anything for me and not sure I will listen to again for a while.
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I think it's a bit similar to the second album in the diversity, with a bit more looser feel in the instrumental sections/solos, which is nice. It's something a bit fresh for them for sure, but also already explored by Richie in his solo albums. As first impressions, this album is really cool and I would highlight Rise, Stars, Pharaoh and Gaslight.
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Going through my first listen right now. I'm not sure I "get" The Winery Dogs. I liked the first album okay. The second one didn't do much for me. And so far, I'm not really feeling this one, song-wise. I do really like the mix though. They have some nice panning. Hearing Billy at points in my left ear, then at other points Richie. Everything is very clear.
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Going through my first listen right now. I'm not sure I "get" The Winery Dogs. I liked the first album okay. The second one didn't do much for me. And so far, I'm not really feeling this one, song-wise. I do really like the mix though. They have some nice panning. Hearing Billy at points in my left ear, then at other points Richie. Everything is very clear.
That's like saying a girl has a nice personality. :lol
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hahahaha.
Gotta say Portnoy's use of the cowbell in "The Vengeance" has me doing my best Walken impression... :lol
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Going through my first listen right now. I'm not sure I "get" The Winery Dogs. I liked the first album okay. The second one didn't do much for me. And so far, I'm not really feeling this one, song-wise. I do really like the mix though. They have some nice panning. Hearing Billy at points in my left ear, then at other points Richie. Everything is very clear.
The first album is still my favorite. It has has a bit more of energy and heaviness (so to speak) that the next 2 doesn't have, no doubt. But, as a fan of Richie's softer style, I still like a lot the style of the more recent albums.
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There are a few outright clunkers on the second one (Captain Love, Hot Streak), but The Bridge is absolutely the best thing they've ever written, and How Long, Ghost Town, War Machine, Spiral, and The Lamb are all great. The first one is probably more consistent all the way through but fewer standout tracks too I think.
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Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. The first one is heavier and more consistent throughout. Now, it's not that I dislike Hot Streak and III, they are both okay. But they've evolved away a bit from what I like to listen to regularly.
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I have only listened to 4 songs from III, but right off the bat this is nowhere near as strong as the first one. The debut album was incredible. It had hooks in nearly every song. Hot Streak was a good album, but had fewer. Thus far I haven't loved III but I am not through it so hope it gets better. Either way, it's so hard to make an album like WD and do that again and again. I am just grateful this is a project they decided to do. Crazy to think that Billy is almost 70.
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Mix is great, especially MP's drums but there's not a single song that calls me back. No disrespect to the band intended but this is a hard pass for me. Hopefully others will enjoy it.
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Mix is great, especially MP's drums but there's not a single song that calls me back. No disrespect to the band intended but this is a hard pass for me. Hopefully others will enjoy it.
This. Couple of good tunes but everything else would be considered filler on their debut. Guessing Richie used all of his good ideas for his solo stuff? Disappointing and a huge drop off in quality from their last album.
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This review, which was retweeted by MP... I think they might have a copy of a different album to many of us? https://progarchy.com/2023/02/04/album-review-winery-dogs-iii/
I've listened to it a few more times and I think it's okay but never more than that. Suspect the answer to kaos2000's question is a simple yes.
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I will say this: I had the same impression as some of you guys here, but the album grew on me after a few more listens. The last song is really great, and I think it's going to translate really well live.
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I will say this: I had the same impression as some of you guys here, but the album grew on me after a few more listens. The last song is really great, and I think it's going to translate really well live.
Took me a little while to get into Hot Streak too, so I’ll try to give it some time whenever I get it.
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Is there a thread just for "richie kotzen" or do we discuss all things richie here?
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Is there a thread just for "richie kotzen" or do we discuss all things richie here?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54767.msg2624085#msg2624085
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I will say this: I had the same impression as some of you guys here, but the album grew on me after a few more listens. The last song is really great, and I think it's going to translate really well live.
Took me a little while to get into Hot Streak too, so I’ll try to give it some time whenever I get it.
I probably need a few more listens too, but I am bit underwhelmed so far. It's not bad by any means, but there hasn't been much that stood out either. It's fine, but not special basically. I will listen more though, I'm still pretty excited to see them soon.
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Is there a thread just for "richie kotzen" or do we discuss all things richie here?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54767.msg2624085#msg2624085
Thank You MInirav
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Just got my CD today. Looking through the liner notes, I like how they list “Eddie Trunk: Eddie Trunk” a la John Kalodner. Maybe they did that on the other albums and I just don’t remember.
After one listen there are three tracks that really stood out above the rest: Stars, Lorelei, and The Red Wine. Some really great soloing by Richie on each of those.
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Just got my CD today. Looking through the liner notes, I like how they list “Eddie Trunk: Eddie Trunk” a la John Kalodner. Maybe they did that on the other albums and I just don’t remember.
What do you mean by that? As in, Eddie Trunk plays Eddie Trunk on the album? :lol or it like in a thank you to Eddie Trunk for being Eddie Trunk? I know he's a big fan and pumps them up on social media. (and I'd guess his radio show too?).
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Just got my CD today. Looking through the liner notes, I like how they list “Eddie Trunk: Eddie Trunk” a la John Kalodner. Maybe they did that on the other albums and I just don’t remember.
What do you mean by that? As in, Eddie Trunk plays Eddie Trunk on the album? :lol or it like in a thank you to Eddie Trunk for being Eddie Trunk? I know he's a big fan and pumps them up on social media. (and I'd guess his radio show too?).
Eddie Trunk essentially put the band together as I recall (only initially it was John Sykes on guitar). John Kalodner was a famous A&R guy who worked with a number of bands and artists. As I understand he would sign and develop artists, and sometimes put different projects together. He would frequently be credited in album sleeves as “John Koladner: John Kalodner.” I think the joke was that he was being credited for just being himself and doing what he does.
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ahh makes sense now, thanks
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Cramx, look up your copy of Whitesnake's 1987. "John Kalodner: John Kalodner" is there. I'm pretty sure that it's on thr Aerosmith albums from Pump onwards.
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Cramx, look up your copy of Whitesnake's 1987. "John Kalodner: John Kalodner" is there. I'm pretty sure that it's on thr Aerosmith albums from Pump onwards.
Don't own the physical copies of any Whitesnake or Aerosmith album, so I didn't get that reference at all
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Finally gave the new album a spin and it's about as creative as the album title. It isn't bad, just kind of forgettable. I have a feeling these songs will probably translate better live.
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Still haven't listened to the 3rd one yet. but I'm listening to Hot Streak for the last several hours and I still dig it. I love the musicianship nuggets which are all over the place Not really a fan of Ritchie Kotzen other than maybe the fusion album he did in the mid-90's but I think his voice suits the music which to me sounds fresh and inspiring in a way that Sons Of Apollo wasn't. Billy Sheehan is all over the record too, but I guess he'd have to be in a power trio.
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I've given it 4-5 full spins now, and I think it's an enjoyable listen most of the way through. There really is some great playing here, and Richie seems to be especially on fire when soloing. I think the weak spot is in the lyrics mainly. Some real throwaway lyrics on tracks like Xanadu, Gaslight, and Pharoah. "I'm cocked like a pimp I've got game, game, game" might be one of the funniest things a 52 year old man* ever sang. But my overall impression of the album is positive. I think Mad World, Breakthrough, Stars, Lorelei, and The Red Wine are all strong tracks. The Vengeance is pretty cool too.
*Hard to believe it's been 7+ years since the last Winery Dogs album, when Richie famously sang "I'm 45, but I'm 18 in the clutch." :rollin
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I'm not particularly invested in lyrics usually but perhaps the 'I'm 45 but I'm 18 in the clutch' was written from the perspective of a character? A bit like Steven Wilson singing his Xbox is a god to him when he's never touched an Xbox in his life.
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I'm not particularly invested in lyrics usually but perhaps the 'I'm 45 but I'm 18 in the clutch' was written from the perspective of a character? A bit like Steven Wilson singing his Xbox is a god to him when he's never touched an Xbox in his life.
I think it’s more just trying to come up with some cheesy rock lyrics on purpose. The age lines up at least! I make fun, but he has written some great lyrics in the past. I think these ones are more just trying to have fun.
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There really is some great playing here, and Richie seems to be especially on fire when soloing. I think the weak spot is in the lyrics mainly.
I agree about the playing being great it's just too much noodling in the songs (I get the irony here being a DT fan). The songs feels like a bunch of noodles tossed together with lyrics trying to convince you Richie doesn't have erectile dysfunction.
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There really is some great playing here, and Richie seems to be especially on fire when soloing. I think the weak spot is in the lyrics mainly.
I agree about the playing being great it's just too much noodling in the songs (I get the irony here being a DT fan). The songs feels like a bunch of noodles tossed together with lyrics trying to convince you Richie doesn't have erectile dysfunction.
:lol
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Lyrics don't matter unless and until they matter. There are guys that can sell "I'm 45 but 18 in the clutch" and some that can't. It's like anything else; I think Stevie Van Zandt looks cool AF in a bandanna, and Danny Coker looks like a desperate tool.
For whatever reason, maybe it's music behind it, but I thought those lyrics failed miserably with Adrenaline Mob, and while I don't spend a ton of time with The Winery Dogs, they don't seem to work for me there either.
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While I think some of the lyrics are pretty cheesy, I think they kind of fit the band. They advertise themselves as Dogs so that type of attitude seems to match what they are trying to convey. Having said that, only Ritchie really comes off as that type of personality though.
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I hate to be base about it but if I was married to Richie's wife, I'm pretty sure I'd feel 18 in the clutch :hat
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Considering the guy got kicked out of Poison for banging Rikki Rockett's fiance at the time, I think it takes a certain type of personality to do both that and write these lyircs :lol
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I think that might be it, to me Richie doesn't have the swagger to sell the lyrics. It's certainly not vince neil levels bad :lol
Who knows maybe he'll make me feel 18 again when I see them in a few months.
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Listened over the weekend.
Like the other Winery Dogs releases, fun but not great. Probably a good live band, I would imagine, and I would definitely see them live given the opportunity.
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Seeing them at the Keswick on Friday.
Anybody heard anything about an opening band?
Turns out it's Frankenstein 3000 for this and, I think, Patchogue.
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Still haven't heard the new one but I discovered that District 97 is opening for them at The Arcada. Very happy about that. Be my second time seeing The Dogs and my third seeing D97.
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I'd be happy with District 97, but never heard of Frankenstein 3000. I don't see anyone listed as an opener for the NYC date that I'll be at.
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Does anyone know what was the setlist of the first show of the tour?
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Does anyone know what was the setlist of the first show of the tour?
According to Setlist FM the first show is tonight.
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I gave a bunch more listens since my last opinion on III.
It's a decent album, but it's lacking standout tracks. There's lots of awesome instrumental parts and a few songs that overall I really enjoy (Stars, Breakthrough, The Red Wine) but most of the songs don't really stand out too much. I think the chorus of Stars is the only real ear worm I get when listening to the album.
I'd have to say, it seems pretty safe to say this is my least favorite of the 3 albums, but I woulnd't consider it a bad album at all, just kind of a let down for me.
I'm curious which new songs get played, I think it's obvious Xanadu and Mad World will be played, because I think the live versions could be a lot more enjoyable as I know for a fact, these three guys on stage put on a great show. I'm just not sure that will elevate my opinion of the album to be better than the first two though.
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I think for the kind of album it is, 3 or 4 tracks that are a bit more significant along with a bunch of enjoyable if not particularly deep rockers is fine. I’ve enjoyed it every time I’ve gone through it. It may never be a particular favorite by them or anybody, but it’s worth having if you like this kind of music I think.
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Frankenstein 3000 sounds like Faster Pussycat meets Black Crowes. I dig it.
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I gave a bunch more listens since my last opinion on III.
It's a decent album, but it's lacking standout tracks. There's lots of awesome instrumental parts and a few songs that overall I really enjoy (Stars, Breakthrough, The Red Wine) but most of the songs don't really stand out too much. I think the chorus of Stars is the only real ear worm I get when listening to the album.
I'd have to say, it seems pretty safe to say this is my least favorite of the 3 albums, but I woulnd't consider it a bad album at all, just kind of a let down for me.
I'm curious which new songs get played, I think it's obvious Xanadu and Mad World will be played, because I think the live versions could be a lot more enjoyable as I know for a fact, these three guys on stage put on a great show. I'm just not sure that will elevate my opinion of the album to be better than the first two though.
I have a friend with your exact opinion. He thinks it's the third best in their discography, but it's still good.
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Call it an educated hunch, but i think we'll be seeing west coast dates announced in the not too distant future :tup
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Call it an educated hunch, but i think we'll be seeing west coast dates announced in the not too distant future :tup
Yup, MP tweeted the US west coast dates will be announced soon and they will take place this May
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I’m at opening night of the tour. The mix of shirts here is interesting to say the least. My favorite is one a woman is wearing that says “I’m only here because my husband drags me to these damn metal shows”. :lol
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:lol I've seen a similar shirt a DT show. Enjoy DTVT!
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Does anyone know what was the setlist of the first show of the tour?
According to Setlist FM the first show is tonight.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-winery-dogs/2023/the-palace-theatre-greensburg-pa-33bab845.html
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Solid set, playing the songs I like the most on III.
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Indeed a nice selection from the new album. :tup
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Solid set. I could change 2 or 3 out for others (Damaged, Regret, Hot Streak), but that's just my personal opinion. :facepalm:
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The opening band, We Came From Space, wasn't the best stylistic match for the show, but I really liked their set. Ended up buying their albums. It's got Bill Hubauer, so that should be a solid endorsement if you like his work in The Neal Morse Band.
I went to the show mostly for Portnoy and Sheehan, as I only had the first album and it didn't move the needle for me when I bought it 11 years ago, and didn't do much for me when I revisited it a few weeks ago. My thoughts were - World class drummer and bass player with some dude who was in Poison after their hayday, just an excuse for Mike to play some straight forward rock. Richie impressed me last night with his playing. The Winery Dogs probably aren't ever going to be a top 5 MP act for me just because I want something more proggy or metal, but they put on a hell of a show even though Mike seemed the most subdued of the bunch.
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videos from Penns Peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWj2oLjrVo&t=134s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JIedeIUwk&list=UULFba2-gANDSwZcW7xB9igAHQ&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0l4r3QuWdE&list=UULFba2-gANDSwZcW7xB9igAHQ&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZM6D55VbtM&list=UULFba2-gANDSwZcW7xB9igAHQ&index=10
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Anyone here do the meet-and-greet for the show?
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Anyone here do the meet-and-greet for the show?
I was curious when I saw them announce they were offering one, but nope'd out hard at the price :lol
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Anyone here do the meet-and-greet for the show?
I was curious when I saw them announce they were offering one, but nope'd out hard at the price :lol
How much was it and what do you get?
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I just looked it up and it's $300, for that you get:
VIP Experience includes:
Private Soundcheck Viewing
Tour VIP Laminate and Lanyard
Autographed Poster
8x10 Photo
Meet & Greet with The Winery Dogs
ONE personal photo opportunity with The Winery Dogs
Edit: this is for the local show near me in Charlotte
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Cool, thank you!
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I would have been interested in the VIP but $300 is a LOT of money for me if a package does not include a ticket. I was curious as to how much time you actually get with the guys.
I totally get why these packages exist but it's so much money for the fans. At the end of the day I doubt the guys are even taking home that much...maybe $50-$75 a piece for each VIP ticket. The problem is the event organizer stepping in between and taking a big cut and doing close no work (reminds me of Ticketmaster!). The one time I did a VIP upgrade, I think I paid over $300. There was one guy from maybe Live Nation running the event. He was totally useless, couldn't care less about all the fans who were stoked to see their idol, and basically told everyone it was a free-for-all if you wanted to get your stuff signed or talk to the performer. Totally disorganized and overpriced, as we got maybe 10 seconds with our heroes.
I would be curious if the DT packages were done more professionally.
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Deep Purple meets and greets are more than $1,000 and do not include Ian Gillan...
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I've done Haken's VIP a couple times. That tour with Sithu Aye was a great value, it was I want to say $75 and in addition to the standard sound check access and meet and greet with the band you also got to pick one shirt from the merch stand (which I would have shelled out $35 for anyway). The only time I spent more than $100 on a VIP pass was when Metal Allegiance played Brooklyn Bowl a few years ago, and I only did that one because it was a fairly unique experience in that you got to bowl with the band.
I would have been interested in the VIP but $300 is a LOT of money for me if a package does not include a ticket. I was curious as to how much time you actually get with the guys.
I totally get why these packages exist but it's so much money for the fans. At the end of the day I doubt the guys are even taking home that much...maybe $50-$75 a piece for each VIP ticket. The problem is the event organizer stepping in between and taking a big cut and doing close no work (reminds me of Ticketmaster!). The one time I did a VIP upgrade, I think I paid over $300. There was one guy from maybe Live Nation running the event. He was totally useless, couldn't care less about all the fans who were stoked to see their idol, and basically told everyone it was a free-for-all if you wanted to get your stuff signed or talk to the performer. Totally disorganized and overpriced, as we got maybe 10 seconds with our heroes.
I would be curious if the DT packages were done more professionally.
That sucks about the experience you had. I would guess the Winery Dogs version is more well run, I got the impression DT's were when they did them back in the late MP era, but I still feel like you're not going to get the amount of time with the guys where you feel like it's worth the price tag. $300 is a lot for an add-on. If it was $300 but came with a ticket with a guaranteed seat up close that would be an easier pill to swallow.
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I did the M&G for the Neal Morse Band in CT, and it was pretty good. You didn't get 30 minutes and coffee with each guy, but you did get a chance to ask a quick question and say hello. I was stoked that Mike knew me (sort of) from his website, though I got a sort of glib response from Neal from something I said, But in hindsight, it was harmless. Fun all around. Jon Anderson same way. I brought Going For The One to be signed and told him it was my favorite album of all time and he acknowledged that and said he was quite proud of the orchestration on Awaken. Throwaway lines, but it is what it is. He's meeting 50-ish people in like 30-45 minutes.
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Had a great time at the concert last night at Sony Hall in NYC. I have no idea if there was an opening band or not as I got there at 8:30 and they were set to go on at 9pm. Had a VIP seat which gave me a great view of the band. The set is pretty strong, mostly rocker songs so it was a pretty energetic set. The new songs came off well too. Sound was great. Billy and Mike looked like they were having a blast. Much harder to read Ritchie as he's not the smiling type it seems. But the show often felt like the Ritchie show. Many of the songs had extended instrumental parts, usually in the outro, that just featured Ritchie going off. I will say, with Ritchie having most of the spotlight and Billy having a bass solo spot, it did seem like MP should have gotten more spotlight time. There was very little talk between songs, was kind of hoping for Billy and Mike to talk a bit about being in NY, they did mention it but briefly. I did notice a few mess ups that were actually great. Mostly because they were harmless mistakes but you could see the guys look at each other. There was even one moment when MP messed up and Billy looked at him and grabbed one of the cymbals to stop it :lol But honestly, these are the moments I love. You know it's 100% real live music. And on some of the jams, you could see Ritchie give MP the look like this is when we end it. Just cool to see stuff like that. Also, the setlist doesn't reflect this, but before Regret during the encore, RItchie did a bit of Lorelie solo on the piano which was awesome.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fpi1NLOWcAY0v8a?format=jpg&name=large)
I recorded my three favorite new songs as well (video and sound came out well!):
Breakthrough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_Mh4qbMNA)
The Red Wine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCAYy_R-WwA)
Stars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4DS7DBXks)
I don't think I'll have time to edit tonight, but my full video should be up tomorrow afternoon.
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Im not sure what it is but their sound live just isnt IMO where it needs to be,,, I think Richie is having a throat issue??.
I like Richie solo, I liked Smith Kotzen and I love WD studio
Its odd as I like solo Richie more live than the CD
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:lol MP just shared some pics from the show last night, including the one I posted here (I also shared it on twitter last night)
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The show was awesome - the Winery Dogs are awesome. It is crazy to think Billy is nearly 70!
I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the sound. Richie didn't hit every note. There were some hooks where he changed a note or two - not sure why since it sounded like he may have sung a harder note - and it didn't land. Some other times when a note here or there was a little flat or sharp. Overall those moments were limited and he mostly nailed it. There were a couple of times when it sounded like his volume was too low and the notes weren't coming out of the guitar. Nitpicky things. They brought great energy, a great setlist and an overall great performance. I brought a discerning music-minded friend who doesn't know any of the songs and he was really impressed by MP-- loved his style. He felt like the experience of the members was really evident.
WDIII isn't a homerun but the show demonstrated that they still got it and are having fun. One of MP's best projects. Cheers to them!
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The show was awesome - the Winery Dogs are awesome. It is crazy to think Billy is nearly 70!
I didn't think there was anything at all wrong with the sound. Richie didn't hit every note. There were some hooks where he changed a note or two - not sure why since it sounded like he may have sung a harder note - and it didn't land. Some other times when a note here or there was a little flat or sharp. Overall those moments were limited and he mostly nailed it. There were a couple of times when it sounded like his volume was too low and the notes weren't coming out of the guitar. Nitpicky things. They brought great energy, a great setlist and an overall great performance. I brought a discerning music-minded friend who doesn't know any of the songs and he was really impressed by MP-- loved his style. He felt like the experience of the members was really evident.
WDIII isn't a homerun but the show demonstrated that they still got it and are having fun. One of MP's best projects. Cheers to them!
awesome!!!! glad it was a great show!
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:lol MP just shared some pics from the show last night, including the one I posted here (I also shared it on twitter last night)
thank you Cram you rock
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Cram, your video for Stars came up in my feed. Your video is outstanding.
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one other thing. There was an opening act that was similar stylistically. The gulf between the abilities and sound of the two bands was so immense, it's pretty impressive. When you hear them one after the other it makes you appreciate these 3 guys even more.
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:lol MP just shared some pics from the show last night, including the one I posted here (I also shared it on twitter last night)
thank you Cram you rock
Upon further review, I take it back. It's almost exactly the same, I thought someone touched up the lighting but the faces are so slightly off.
Cram, your video for Stars came up in my feed. Your video is outstanding.
Yeah, my full video is done and came out really well. I had a great spot. Thanks
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Cram, your video for Stars came up in my feed. Your video is outstanding.
Yea it really is a great video
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I did notice a few mess ups that were actually great. Mostly because they were harmless mistakes but you could see the guys look at each other. There was even one moment when MP messed up and Billy looked at him and grabbed one of the cymbals to stop it :lol But honestly, these are the moments I love. You know it's 100% real live music. And on some of the jams, you could see Ritchie give MP the look like this is when we end it. Just cool to see stuff like that.
A proper live show. That's what I pay money for. And that's good because they're in Wolverhampton in a couple of months so I think I'll go.
That part where Richie is scatting (the only word I can think of to use) over the solo he's playing... that's someone who is at the top of their game.
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I recorded my three favorite new songs as well (video and sound came out well!):
Breakthrough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_Mh4qbMNA)
The Red Wine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCAYy_R-WwA)
Stars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4DS7DBXks)
I don't think I'll have time to edit tonight, but my full video should be up tomorrow afternoon.
Wow, amazing!! Thanks!!
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I just got my ticket for the Dallas show.
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I just want to add, the end of Regret is incredible. All the feels from Ritchies playing from when he gets off the keyboard and just unloads on guitar up to the final chorus.
Also, here's my full video from the NYC show (40+ minutes of good quality):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZPnXfzMt9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZPnXfzMt9M)
I just got my ticket for the Dallas show.
Nice, you'll enjoy it
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The opening band, We Came From Space, wasn't the best stylistic match for the show, but I really liked their set. Ended up buying their albums. It's got Bill Hubauer, so that should be a solid endorsement if you like his work in The Neal Morse Band.
I went to the show mostly for Portnoy and Sheehan, as I only had the first album and it didn't move the needle for me when I bought it 11 years ago, and didn't do much for me when I revisited it a few weeks ago. My thoughts were - World class drummer and bass player with some dude who was in Poison after their hayday, just an excuse for Mike to play some straight forward rock. Richie impressed me last night with his playing. The Winery Dogs probably aren't ever going to be a top 5 MP act for me just because I want something more proggy or metal, but they put on a hell of a show even though Mike seemed the most subdued of the bunch.
That's why I like them. Can never go wrong with a rhythm section of Sheehan and Portnoy (especially live) I there for the noodling. Missed them this time around. Never bought tickets. But Ritchie's playing and vocals impressed me too. Not enough to over shadow the other two of course, but definitely not out of place. Great live band. They'd come out on top over Sons Of Apollo and Adrenaline Mob easily.
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The opening band, We Came From Space, wasn't the best stylistic match for the show, but I really liked their set. Ended up buying their albums. It's got Bill Hubauer, so that should be a solid endorsement if you like his work in The Neal Morse Band.
I went to the show mostly for Portnoy and Sheehan, as I only had the first album and it didn't move the needle for me when I bought it 11 years ago, and didn't do much for me when I revisited it a few weeks ago. My thoughts were - World class drummer and bass player with some dude who was in Poison after their hayday, just an excuse for Mike to play some straight forward rock. Richie impressed me last night with his playing. The Winery Dogs probably aren't ever going to be a top 5 MP act for me just because I want something more proggy or metal, but they put on a hell of a show even though Mike seemed the most subdued of the bunch.
That's why I like them. Can never go wrong with a rhythm section of Sheehan and Portnoy (especially live) I there for the noodling. Missed them this time around. Never bought tickets. But Ritchie's playing and vocals impressed me too. Not enough to over shadow the other two of course, but definitely not out of place. Great live band. They'd come out on top over Sons Of Apollo and Adrenaline Mob easily.
Way to go out on a limb! :) :) :) :) :) :)
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I'd say SOA do put up a fight against TWD in terms of live show. At the end of the day, it's not too different. Same drummer/bassist, but the guys in SOA are also extremely talented musicians. If you saw them live, you'd be pretty impressed. And they are also another 100% live band. The difference comes down to the songs and the songs for TWD, to me, fit soo much better with Richie fronting the band than the SOA songs work with JSS. Point being, I think TWD would win in that match up and it would come down to the songs and not so much the performance as I thought the live performance of SOA was really the only thing that stood out about that band.
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I'd say SOA do put up a fight against TWD in terms of live show. At the end of the day, it's not too different. Same drummer/bassist, but the guys in SOA are also extremely talented musicians. If you saw them live, you'd be pretty impressed. And they are also another 100% live band. The difference comes down to the songs and the songs for TWD, to me, fit soo much better with Richie fronting the band than the SOA songs work with JSS. Point being, I think TWD would win in that match up and it would come down to the songs and not so much the performance as I thought the live performance of SOA was really the only thing that stood out about that band.
I don't listen to either all that much at home, but both were KILLER live.
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I got to see The Winery Dogs last night here in New Jersey. Such a great live band. The sound was a little rough at the beginning. But, things got ironed out pretty quickly.
For me, "Regret" was one of the high points of the show, for sure. For one, it was a nice change of pace to have one song that's not at a breakneck speed. And, it showcased Richie's talents even more. My friend who came with me, who knew nothing about the band (didn't even know who the 3 guys were), came away with that as his favorite part of the show.
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Yup, Regret was incredible live. Hope you caught Richie's Lorelei intro to it too
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Regret has always been a highlight for me. A favorite from the debut album and it always delivers live.
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The opening band, We Came From Space, wasn't the best stylistic match for the show, but I really liked their set. Ended up buying their albums. It's got Bill Hubauer, so that should be a solid endorsement if you like his work in The Neal Morse Band.
I went to the show mostly for Portnoy and Sheehan, as I only had the first album and it didn't move the needle for me when I bought it 11 years ago, and didn't do much for me when I revisited it a few weeks ago. My thoughts were - World class drummer and bass player with some dude who was in Poison after their hayday, just an excuse for Mike to play some straight forward rock. Richie impressed me last night with his playing. The Winery Dogs probably aren't ever going to be a top 5 MP act for me just because I want something more proggy or metal, but they put on a hell of a show even though Mike seemed the most subdued of the bunch.
That's why I like them. Can never go wrong with a rhythm section of Sheehan and Portnoy (especially live) I there for the noodling. Missed them this time around. Never bought tickets. But Ritchie's playing and vocals impressed me too. Not enough to over shadow the other two of course, but definitely not out of place. Great live band. They'd come out on top over Sons Of Apollo and Adrenaline Mob easily.
Way to go out on a limb! :) :) :) :) :) :)
There's not really a limb. (I got the sarcasm.) The Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Neal Morse, Flying Colors experiences are much more in my wheelhouse and push more of the envelope then say Sons Of Apollo and Adrenaline Mob. Winery Dogs are solidly in the middle of that for me and seemingly why they might have a wider commercial appeal. They are radio friendly and probably get some radio airplay and there is still something interesting to listen to for those that want that.
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I'd say SOA do put up a fight against TWD in terms of live show. At the end of the day, it's not too different. Same drummer/bassist, but the guys in SOA are also extremely talented musicians. If you saw them live, you'd be pretty impressed. And they are also another 100% live band. The difference comes down to the songs and the songs for TWD, to me, fit soo much better with Richie fronting the band than the SOA songs work with JSS. Point being, I think TWD would win in that match up and it would come down to the songs and not so much the performance as I thought the live performance of SOA was really the only thing that stood out about that band.
I'm not sure I can name a project that Mike has involved with that isn't a killer live band (I'm not counting performances where he filled in for someone.) But that's pretty much a prerequisite if Mike is going to be involved. I'm not an Adrenaline Mob fan at all, but I did see their first ever show and they brought it 110%. It just wasn't my style of music and Mike was the only guy in the band I was interested in seeing.
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west coast dates incoming. LA already announced on 5/17
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Saw them last Friday. Show was sold out and the crowd was pretty raucous. I was rather surprised. Richie has finally settled into role of frontman, it seems. Even my buddy who saw them with me on the very first tour was quick to point out that Richie was much more animated and was frequently playing to the crowd. He also extended many of his solo spots which were fantastic. Billy performed one of the best bass solos I think I have ever seen. The man just does things with that instrument that I don't see many doing.
All in all, they brought it and it was fantastic. What I can't fathom, is that Billy is a few days from 70. My hands don't work like his and I could not be up there moving all around the stage for 90+ minutes a night like that. I can only hope to be somewhat as fit as him at that age.
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"California (and Las Vegas), you’ve been patiently waiting and here they finally are!! May 202III 🍷🐾
Yes we realize there are A LOT of markets on the west coast we are missing (we see you AZ, CO, OR, WA, etc) but this was all we were able to squeeze in during the available window between Latin America and Europe (and the markets where the promoters stepped up with reasonable offers)…we are already talking of extending this tour into 2024 because of the great demand for shows, so fingers crossed we can get to you then. In the meantime, perhaps take a trip to us if we’re not making it to you! C-ya then…
May 17th - Los Angeles, CA - The Regent Theater
May 18th - Anaheim, CA - The Grove
May 19th - San Diego, CA - Belly Up
May 20th - Ventura, CA - The Ventura Theater
May 23rd - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
May 25th - Fresno, CA - Tower Theater
May 27th - Roseville, CA - Gold
May 28th - Las Vegas, NV - Vampd"
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Even though this band isn't really my cuppa, I'm very happy for them that they're drawing good crowds.
I wish them success.
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What I can't fathom, is that Billy is a few days from 70. My hands don't work like his and I could not be up there moving all around the stage for 90+ minutes a night like that. I can only hope to be somewhat as fit as him at that age.
It's science-tology, bitch!!!
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For anyone planning to attend the Anaheim date, presale starts Thursday @ 10AM with code XANADU :tup
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A friend of mine in Colombia is inviting me to attend the concert in Bogota, he also invited my wife, so I am so stoked to finally be able to watch this band live. My wife loves Kotzen more than I love MP so we both are really happy about this opportunity.
I went to check the VIP tickets and sadly (or happily I must say) those are not offered to the Colombian show (the only show along with one in Brazi not offering VIP tickets in South America) I said happily because I checked the price of the VIP tickets for the other shows and noticed those costs $300 USD + fees.
In any case, I'll be looking forward to a great show.
:metal
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Saw them last Friday. Show was sold out and the crowd was pretty raucous. I was rather surprised. Richie has finally settled into role of frontman, it seems. Even my buddy who saw them with me on the very first tour was quick to point out that Richie was much more animated and was frequently playing to the crowd. He also extended many of his solo spots which were fantastic. Billy performed one of the best bass solos I think I have ever seen. The man just does things with that instrument that I don't see many doing.
All in all, they brought it and it was fantastic. What I can't fathom, is that Billy is a few days from 70. My hands don't work like his and I could not be up there moving all around the stage for 90+ minutes a night like that. I can only hope to be somewhat as fit as him at that age.
Richie has never been my favorite part of this but he does a great job for what is needed. Maybe I just like the power trio format. I've only seen them live twice before COVID. Still don't have the new album and don't really listen to the other studio albums a lot but the attraction for me is definitely live with this band.
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This video of two songs from the current tour has EXCELLENT quality:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhN3nVyAkuw
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Looks like 013 is the last stop in Europe. Knowing MP they'll probably shoot a video there.... :laugh:
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I got tickets to see them in London in June. So looking forward to it.
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BREAKTHROUGH official video
https://youtu.be/VC60MWQav94
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I wasn’t able to travel to Colombia due to personal issues. Would have loved to see the band live.
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So yesterday I went to the Boerderij gig, but I can't help feeling a bit underwhelmed..
I have to say Sheehan was spot on, really engaging with his playing, although somewhat over the top maybe, could do without the overlong bass solo.
Ritchie, was also very impressive especially during Stars, The Other Side and the mellower bits, but he really looked disinterested, almost like he just wanted to ram through the songs and be done with it.
And then Portnoy..
For me, he was the least impressive, and I hate to say it.
This comes from a guy who started drumming over 20 years ago and Portnoy has been a great influence in that.
He just seemed tired and uninspiring.
Definitely my least liked Portnoy project for now :-\
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I think Ritchie has resting bitch face, guy almost never looks happy. I think Portnoy does take a bit of a back seat from the other two in this band though. However, I didn't get the feeling of tired or uninspiring from my concert but that was already months ago. I'd imagine it's possible the guys legit are feeling that way in this point of their world tour.
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I am seeing them on Sunday in London. I will let you guys know what I observe and how I feel about the show later.
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I saw them back in March and although the songs were well played and it was a good time, there was a noticeable lack of energy from what I was expecting. I do think Portnoy is intentionally dumbing down his playing a bit for WD material. I saw him last fall with Petrucci and there he was his usual flamboyant self. It probably also has to do with the guys all being around 60 (Sheehan is actually 70). I get the sense Richie is always outwardly on the laid back side, but I thought he completely stole the show. What a player!
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I like WD but I find myself liking his solo stuff more than WD
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I saw them back in March and although the songs were well played and it was a good time, there was a noticeable lack of energy from what I was expecting. I do think Portnoy is intentionally dumbing down his playing a bit for WD material. I saw him last fall with Petrucci and there he was his usual flamboyant self. It probably also has to do with the guys all being around 60 (Sheehan is actually 70). I get the sense Richie is always outwardly on the laid back side, but I thought he completely stole the show. What a player!
That was kind of my take, as well. Though I put it largely on the set list. There was a five song stretch that was great, and everything before and after it just felt tired. They didn't seem particularly into it and it showed. Every other time I've seen them down here, five or six times, I suppose, they were on fire. This was a letdown.
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This is all very encouraging to read before I go and see them in a hot, sweaty shed tonight that also requires a hotel stay :lol
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This is all very encouraging to read before I go and see them in a hot, sweaty shed tonight that also requires a hotel stay :lol
Someone in London must have read the comments above. They put their Stalls Standing tickets for reselling on Ticketmaster BELOW the original prices. :lol
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This is all very encouraging to read before I go and see them in a hot, sweaty shed tonight that also requires a hotel stay :lol
It's still very much worth seeing, if for no other reason than that five song stretch. Also, if you like the new material (I don't much care for it) you'll likely enjoy it a lot more.
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Oh, it'll be fine ;D
MP shared a few photos from their festival appearance yesterday. Richie looked like he hadn't slept for 23 days!
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...and it was indeed fine. Didn't get any particular sense they weren't into it. MP and Billy certainly seemed like they were having a good old time up there. Richie was Richie. I think he locks into himself when he's performing.
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Perhaps they saved all of their collective energy and emotion for the London show last night? I thought they played a near-perfect set, and you could tell all three of them were enjoying themselves with lots of interaction between them. If anything at all, I thought Kotzen's mic sounded a bit too muddy, and I couldn't quite hear him clearly at times. Did anyone here attend the London show and do you feel the same?