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Title: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 05:53:29 PM
John Myung is finally making a poetic come-back, and this time with a song that's an epic 12:25 minutes long! (the longest song on the album)

What are your thoughts, speculations, expectations, hopes, and concerns for this song?

For me, I think BAI was the epic closer that DT intended to use to close the album, but decided afterwards to place BTS after it. With that in mind, I feel that BAI could be the next Learning to Live or Trial of Tears, judging by its length, track placement, and use of JM lyrics. All in all, I think this song will be fucking amazing.

As for lyrics, I'm expecting traditional Myung.... poetic, metaphoric, emotional, spiritual, and thought provoking.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Zook on July 25, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
In a dramatic turn of events, these will be his worst lyrics ever and it'll be about magicians.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 06:21:51 PM
In a dramatic turn of events, these will be his worst lyrics ever and it'll be about magicians.
Followed by the dramatic turn of events of mass DT fan suicide.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: wammabe on July 25, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
I'm hoping to see songs like Metropolis pt.1, Learning to Live, Scarred, Lines in the Sand, and Trial of Tears in this album. Songs like this used to be Dream Theater's "epics". I really miss them. After seeing the track sizes and the fact that Myung wrote lyrics for Breaking All Illusions, my hopes to see a song like this increased.

According to James, Beneath the Surface is a song made by Petrucci, so its very likely that Breaking all Illusions was originally going to be the final song in the album.

I'm really hoping that Far From Heaven would be like Vacant, Hell's Kitchen, or Wait For Sleep, those were all beautiful songs and made the upcoming song even more epic.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 07:41:20 PM
^^Yeah JP came into the studio with "Beneath The Surface" already made I believe, so I doubt that was the original choice for closing track. I'm pretty convinced that "Breaking All Illusions" will be the big epic of the album.

Also...

BMUBMD
BITS
BTS
BAI

Why so many b's?
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: darkshot on July 25, 2011, 08:23:09 PM

BMUBMD
BITS
BTS
BAI

Why so many b's?

And 2 songs have the word break in the name...  To me all the song names seem to be very closely tied together.  The theme seems to be related to falling or sinking.  It starts above the clouds on the backs of angels, gets broken down below the clouds, they land on a bridge in the sky that breaks their fall, their outcry makes them fall further from heaven, they break the illusion of the reflection of water, and sink beneath the surface.

NUGGETZ!
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Zook on July 25, 2011, 08:33:09 PM

BMUBMD
BITS
BTS
BAI

Why so many b's?

And 2 songs have the word break in the name...  To me all the song names seem to be very closely tied together.  The theme seems to be related to falling or sinking.  It starts above the clouds on the backs of angels, gets broken down below the clouds, they land on a bridge in the sky that breaks their fall, their outcry makes them fall further from heaven, they break the illusion of the reflection of water, and sink beneath the surface.

NUGGETZ!

You just blew my fuckin' mind.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Slain on July 25, 2011, 08:42:45 PM
In a dramatic turn of events, these will be his worst lyrics ever and it'll be about magicians.

LET ME INTRODUCE
MY WAND
A POINTY GENTLEMAN
SHOOTS SPELLS AND SHIT
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on July 25, 2011, 10:34:24 PM
Probably in ADTOE fashion, the song will feature only a snipit of lyrics ala Vacant, and 11:59 minutes of instrumental madness.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Mbarak on July 25, 2011, 11:27:57 PM
I'm not sure it's healthy to put so much anticipation for a song. You pretty much set yourself for disappointment.

Personally, I will (or try to) listen to the song with an open mind, with no pre(mis)conceptions of its quality. Gotta remember,  the last time JMX wrote lyrics wasn't bad but it wasn't poetry material either.

I remember when Portnoy announced prior to BC&SL's release that it will sound like "a Dream Theater album with 'A Change of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning to Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison' all on one album." I listened to the album with this expectation and I was severely disappoint. Later on once the preconceived idea was gone, I realized there are some good tunes there.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 26, 2011, 12:06:52 AM
I'm not sure it's healthy to put so much anticipation for a song. You pretty much set yourself for disappointment.

Personally, I will (or try to) listen to the song with an open mind, with no pre(mis)conceptions of its quality. Gotta remember,  the last time JMX wrote lyrics wasn't bad but it wasn't poetry material either.

I remember when Portnoy announced prior to BC&SL's release that it will sound like "a Dream Theater album with 'A Change of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning to Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison' all on one album." I listened to the album with this expectation and I was severely disappoint. Later on once the preconceived idea was gone, I realized there are some good tunes there.
Well my favorite novel is "Great Expectations" so I can't help it  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: tri.ad on July 26, 2011, 12:14:50 AM
I will wait until I've heard it. Until then, I have a more or less neutral attitude towards the song. I am excited about the JM lyrics, though.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 26, 2011, 12:22:46 AM
When/how did we find out the song lengths?
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: wammabe on July 26, 2011, 12:35:50 AM
When/how did we find out the song lengths?

We calculated them.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: metropofreak on July 26, 2011, 01:26:03 AM
When/how did we find out the song lengths?

We calculated them.

 :lol
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Chrissalix on July 26, 2011, 01:37:07 AM
When/how did we find out the song lengths?

In the press release about the box set.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Dekost on July 26, 2011, 02:20:06 AM
Myung wrote the lyrics, so it's gonna be the best DT song since 1999 or something.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Mladen on July 26, 2011, 03:03:47 AM
I don't think we can predict anything. He hasn't written any words on his own in 15 years, his approach to writing lyrics might have changed. Maybe they ain't as philosophical and deep as they used to be, they might have gone from Voices to The Count of Tuscany, the way it happened with JP. We might get something different, who can really tell?
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Psy on July 26, 2011, 04:01:04 AM

BMUBMD
BITS
BTS
BAI

Why so many b's?

And 2 songs have the word break in the name...  To me all the song names seem to be very closely tied together.  The theme seems to be related to falling or sinking.  It starts above the clouds on the backs of angels, gets broken down below the clouds, they land on a bridge in the sky that breaks their fall, their outcry makes them fall further from heaven, they break the illusion of the reflection of water, and sink beneath the surface.

NUGGETZ!

You just blew my fuckin' mind.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Mbarak on July 26, 2011, 04:01:51 AM
I don't think we can predict anything...they might have gone from Voices to The Count of Tuscany, the way it happened with JP.

It hurts just thinking of this possibility  :| :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Guitalguy on July 26, 2011, 05:43:56 AM
James said in the interview that the reason why JM wrote these lyrics were that he really found the theme of the song interesting, and expressed that he wished to do the lyrics for this one. And I don't think he'd do that if he didn't have anything less than brilliant in mind.

Since he hasn't written any lyrics since Scenes, I'd think that he wants to show everyone that he still has got it, and not write something mediocre, and hope nobody notices. He wouldn't put out something that's not good.

MP said in the LSFNY commentary: "When JM speaks, we listen." Usually that's because JM doesn't say anything unless it's worth saying. A lot of people could learn from that.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: VioletS16 on July 26, 2011, 09:36:23 AM
My speculation: instrumental
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Nic35 on July 26, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
Usually that's because JM doesn't say anything unless it's worth saying.
LOTR reference here ? ;D
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 26, 2011, 10:18:11 AM
I don't think we can predict anything. He hasn't written any words on his own in 15 years, his approach to writing lyrics might have changed. Maybe they ain't as philosophical and deep as they used to be, they might have gone from Voices to The Count of Tuscany, the way it happened with JP. We might get something different, who can really tell?
That's one of my concerns, that his lyrical approach has suffered from JP syndrome, as in, gone from great to bad. I'm going to remain hopeful though, I have this gut feeling that we're in for something great.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: BlackInk on July 26, 2011, 10:40:17 AM
^ Me too, much because it seems like the JP syndrome is even starting to let JP hemself go. At least that's the feeling I get from OtBoA.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on July 26, 2011, 12:59:03 PM
In a dramatic turn of events, these will be his worst lyrics ever and it'll be about magicians.

He co-wrote the song with Icy
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Knguro on July 26, 2011, 01:14:23 PM
When/how did we find out the song lengths?

We calculated them.

Never laughed so hard at work
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 01:26:38 PM
In a dramatic turn of events, these will be his worst lyrics ever and it'll be about magicians.

He co-wrote the song with Icy

standing on
the backs
of angels destined
to create mounting the
attack while

heroes carry the
weight
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Guitalguy on July 26, 2011, 01:47:04 PM
Usually that's because JM doesn't say anything unless it's worth saying.
LOTR reference here ? ;D

YES.  ;D
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: pmahoney1337 on July 26, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
I don't think we can predict anything. He hasn't written any words on his own in 15 years, his approach to writing lyrics might have changed. Maybe they ain't as philosophical and deep as they used to be, they might have gone from Voices to The Count of Tuscany, the way it happened with JP. We might get something different, who can really tell?
The difference between Myung and Petrucci is that Petrucci has been continuously writing lyrics since then, his creative thinking was bound to get lost somewhere. If it's been 15 years since Myung has written any of his own words, like you say, then he's gotta have something good cooked up somewhere.


BMUBMD
BITS
BTS
BAI

Why so many b's?

And 2 songs have the word break in the name...  To me all the song names seem to be very closely tied together.  The theme seems to be related to falling or sinking.  It starts above the clouds on the backs of angels, gets broken down below the clouds, they land on a bridge in the sky that breaks their fall, their outcry makes them fall further from heaven, they break the illusion of the reflection of water, and sink beneath the surface.

NUGGETZ!
Very nice observation.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: olliemedsy on July 26, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
could someone possibly post a link to where they said the track lengths?
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:11:48 PM
Why? It's just what the track lengths are, and it's on wikipedia.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events#Track_listing
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: olliemedsy on July 26, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
yeah but i want it to be legit. not something that some paedophile could have easily typed up on wiki  :)
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:34:45 PM
??? It was legit, Roadrunner posted it.

Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 26, 2011, 02:48:03 PM
yeah but i want it to be legit. not something that some paedophile could have easily typed up on wiki  :)
Road Runner Records confirmed the track lengths in an article. They are the label DT is under. So everything you see on Wikipidia is legit.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: olliemedsy on July 26, 2011, 02:48:41 PM
yeah, but i want a link to where roadrunner posted it
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:49:46 PM
Searching for it now

Edit: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=111612

Twas in the stickied thread (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.msg969727#msg969727), as it should be  :P
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: olliemedsy on July 26, 2011, 02:52:14 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Sketchy on July 27, 2011, 06:07:48 AM
Usually that's because JM doesn't say anything unless it's worth saying.
LOTR reference here ? ;D

He is on nobody's side, because nobody is on his side. Also, when it comes to lyrics, he's not particularly hast either.
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: BlackInk on July 27, 2011, 07:13:14 AM
Brrharroom, wood and water, stock and stone I can master, but there is a lyric writing ninja to manage here, locked in his tower!
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Guitalguy on July 27, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
;D

From the extended versions: Treebeard: "I believe you will enjoy this next one too. It is one of my own compositions. Ahem."
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Vajra on July 27, 2011, 07:15:38 PM
Loving the Star Wars quotes, guys!  :tup
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 28, 2011, 11:27:40 AM
Loving the Star Wars quotes, guys!  :tup

 :lol
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: jayvee on August 12, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
It was originally going to be called "Honor Thy Drummer".
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: VioletS16 on August 15, 2011, 12:30:50 PM
Loving the Star Wars quotes, guys!  :tup
If this is meant to be a joke,  :rollin
If not,  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: ClarkeMSmith on December 29, 2016, 10:32:42 PM
The part where the vocals are starting.  Rotates around from 7/8 to 6/8 to 5/8...and repeats...just brilliant.  Count it out and see!
Title: Re: Breaking All Illusions (the song with Myung lyrics)
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 06, 2017, 01:04:48 PM
Best thing they've done since SDOIT and nothing has been better since.  The perfect representation of a DT epic in absolutely every way.

I'm not sure it's healthy to put so much anticipation for a song. You pretty much set yourself for disappointment.

Personally, I will (or try to) listen to the song with an open mind, with no pre(mis)conceptions of its quality. Gotta remember,  the last time JMX wrote lyrics wasn't bad but it wasn't poetry material either.


There was certainly no disappointment here and if any of the lyrics fell short, the music more than made up for it.  The OP nailed it.