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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Vajra on July 17, 2011, 06:29:03 PM
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The new name debate aside... so far this seems to be the most anticapated song off the new album. I don't think anyone is expecting it to be the best song, but I think everyone is very interested to hear what this song is going to sound like given the very unique song title.
For those unaware of what a Shaman is, they are spiritual leaders amongst tribal groups, who suposedly interact with the spiritual world, often using drugs extracted from special herbs.
Given the song title, if the music does match the title, I expect a song that sounds mystical, dream-like, trippy, tribal, perhaps elements of soundscape with emphasis on nature, given that a Shaman is heavily assosiated with nature. I could imagine some foriegn instruments, perhaps revisiting the sitar, maybe some bongo drums. The intro to Trial of Tears could be an influence.
What do you guys think? Thoughts, speculation, hopes, expectations, etc...
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Everything you said makes sense to me.
I think I said this once before, but for whatever reason, the song title brings to my mind Voodoo, by Godsmack. Whenever I think about the song, I can't help but expect it to be sorta like that song, only more DT-ish, obviously.
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Bridges in the Sky >>>>>>> Shaman's Trance
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Bridges in the Sky >>>>>>> Shaman's Trance
Bridges In the Sky = Hmm, that's a pretty cool song title.
The Shaman's Trance = Woah, awesome, I wonder what this is going to sound like.
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I personally would rather have Bridges in the Sky as an album title than a song title. But maybe that's just because I don't like ADTOE.
The Shaman's Trance has a more unique feel to it, though.
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Am I the only one that thinks that Bridges in the Sky sounds a bit stupid? It really doesn't roll off my tongue easily. Then again, it seems to fit in better with the other song names in the album. Shaman's Trance sounds a lot more interesting. Hopefully the song is as interesting as its name. I think that the name sounds very Rudess-ish.
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THIS:
(https://fantasyartdesign.com/3dgallery/a-digital/3D-images/3d-art-galleryGrie/033d-fantasy-digital-skyrover-B.jpg)
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I imagine something really jungle-ish, like When they Come for Me by Linkin Park.
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(https://images.wikia.com/nintendo/en/images/0/09/BridgeofEldin.jpg)
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Is anyone with me on this when i think of Bridges in the Sky, I end up hearing "The Wheel in the sky keeps on turning" by journey :P
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I was just wondering - what does The Shaman's Trance have in common with Bridges In The Sky?
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Am I the only one that thinks that Bridges in the Sky sounds a bit stupid?
Youre right; Abstract in the Sky sounds much better :tup
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Sorry to sound stupid, but where did "Bridges in the Sky" come from?
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Sorry to sound stupid, but where did "Bridges in the Sky" come from?
https://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/21404245/A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchSource=1&searchfilters=ae50{Dream%20Theater}+&urlrefer=search
Play.com madness :D
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I'm fine with both names, but I have to say that The Shaman's Trance gave me the feeling that it's an instrumental; this feeling isn't as present when it comes to Bridges In The Sky. Also, TST has a ring of originality to it, while BITS sounds a bit like a song title any band could come up with imo.
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Bridges in the sky < shamans trance. Bridges in the sky is like a song title an amateur prog-metal band would come up with lol.
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I'm fine with both names, but I have to say that The Shaman's Trance gave me the feeling that it's an instrumental; this feeling isn't as present when it comes to Bridges In The Sky. Also, TST has a ring of originality to it, while BITS sounds a bit like a song title any band could come up with imo.
This
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I'm fine with both names, but I have to say that The Shaman's Trance gave me the feeling that it's an instrumental; this feeling isn't as present when it comes to Bridges In The Sky. Also, TST has a ring of originality to it, while BITS sounds a bit like a song title Journey would almost come up with imo.
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I was just wondering - what does The Shaman's Trance have in common with Bridges In The Sky?
Well they both allude to the status of one being "high", one is physically the other is psychedelically
And I just realized how the acronym "BITS" sounds.
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the album should definitely have been called that. it matches the artwork as well
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I think that because of how easily the title was changed, it must be an instrumental.
Happy face ^^
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Titlewise...
The Shaman's Trance is more evocative, inasmuch as the words have far more specific connotations, so it's better for speculation, but Bridges in the Sky is way less corny.
We know it was called the Shaman's Trance once-upon-a-time and may still be called it, but I'd rather it stayed as Bridges. Any speculation based on the original title would still be valid anyway, seeing as they haven't changed the song. Probably.
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But so far nothing official, right?
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But so far nothing official, right?
Nothing official yet.
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I like The Shaman's Trance better. That being said, the two titles are somehow compatible. Think about it: The Shaman achieve a state of trance to be able to reach the divinity/ies, thus acting as a metaphorical bridge between the earth and the sky (where gods are usually "placed").
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I like Bridges in the Sky better than Shaman's Trance.
I just think of this song though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjTV8i_KjXM
ha
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The Shaman's Trance sounds like something with a lot of Rudess craziness on it... I instantly think of his 3D Wizard when I see that song title. Bridges in the Sky sounds a little more mature and in sync with the rest of the song titles on the album. But it doesn't really matter in the end, since what matters the most is the song itself. If I like the song, the name doesn't matter.
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I like Bridges in the Sky better than Shaman's Trance.
I just think of this song though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjTV8i_KjXM
ha
:o
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Totally agree with Elaitch. The name doesn't matter, the only important thing is the song itself(although I like The Shaman's Trance better).
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Do people seriously believe that after releasing an official track listing that Dream theater would go ahead and rename one of the songs then only tell play.com about it??
It's a mistake, plain and simple. Move on.
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Do people seriously believe that after releasing an official track listing that Dream theater would go ahead and rename one of the songs then only tell play.com about it??
It's a mistake, plain and simple. Move on.
So what? I've seen people spend entire threads discussing misheard lyrics; this doesn't mean those people ACTUALLY think those misheard lyrics are correct. It's just fun to discuss, and same here.
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I like Bridges in the Sky better than Shaman's Trance.
I just think of this song though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjTV8i_KjXM
ha
:o
Is that face because you like it or are surprised that someone thinks of that song?
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Do people seriously believe that after releasing an official track listing that Dream theater would go ahead and rename one of the songs then only tell play.com about it??
It's a mistake, plain and simple. Move on.
So what? I've seen people spend entire threads discussing misheard lyrics; this doesn't mean those people ACTUALLY think those misheard lyrics are correct. It's just fun to discuss, and same here.
Go ahead, talk about it all you want. Just seems a little pointless to me.
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I like Bridges in the Sky better than Shaman's Trance.
I just think of this song though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjTV8i_KjXM
ha
:o
Is that face because you like it or are surprised that someone thinks of that song?
Two options ;) But I have to tell You that I always like that kind of music. It reminds me of Haddaway, La Bouche, Culture Beat, Fun Factory... Oh Dear God, Fun Factory... I haven't listen it for yeeeaaarrrssss.. ;)
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Do people seriously believe that after releasing an official track listing that Dream theater would go ahead and rename one of the songs then only tell play.com about it??
It's a mistake, plain and simple. Move on.
That or they did change it, and Play.com got it from the back of the disc rather than the now-outdated press release like everyone else? Not entirely likely, and not saying it's happened, but no more far-fetched than the idea that Play.com just decided to invent a title for no apparent reason.
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^ I read all of that post in Toms voice.
But yeah, I don't see DT making an announcement or even a tweet so I assume its just an error with the distributors providing the sites wrong information. Besides, there are far too many songs beginning with "B" on the album already.
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^ I read all of that post in Toms voice.
Hahaha, I'm glad someone recognised it!
Don't know how long I'll keep him for, feels a bit odd. Probably 'cause a. he's not the Doctor, and b. he's a real person rather than someone in-character, so it's a little weird perhaps, but I quite liked the idea of having the eccentric inventor from my other favourite TV show up there for maybe about a week or so.
Variety isn't exactly the spice of, er, their song titles, as late... BCSL had two "A"s, followed by Wither, followed by three "The"s, so I wouldn't write it off based on that, but it is a bit fishy that it's not been confirmed.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if it is called BITS (brilliant) and they just hadn't got round to doing the press release (or didn't think it was worth it!), but nor would I be that surprised if it turned out that it's just a crossed wire. Both plausible, and it doesn't make a massive difference either way, given that we've not even heard the song yet. I do prefer Bridges, though.
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Do people seriously believe that after releasing an official track listing that Dream theater would go ahead and rename one of the songs then only tell play.com about it??
It's a mistake, plain and simple. Move on.
That or they did change it, and Play.com got it from the back of the disc rather than the now-outdated press release like everyone else? Not entirely likely, and not saying it's happened, but no more far-fetched than the idea that Play.com just decided to invent a title for no apparent reason.
Exactly what Rob said. And until I decide to appoint you as a junior moderator, please leave the modding to the mod staff, JPX. Thanks.
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I like both titles but Shaman's Trance sounds more intriguing, especially for DT. At the end of the day I'm not too fussed about song titles.
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Yeah they're both good. Bridges in the Sky gives me a more grand feeling, whereas The Shaman's Trance gives me a more mystical feeling. Both would be fine with me.
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I like Bridges in the Sky better than Shaman's Trance.
I just think of this song though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjTV8i_KjXM
ha
I'm on my third Ian Van Dahl song now. What have you done???
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I like Bridges in the Sky better than Shaman's Trance.
I just think of this song though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjTV8i_KjXM
ha
I'm on my third Ian Van Dahl song now. What have you done???
Introduced you to new music?
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Looks like it is confirmed as Bridges in the Sky.
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Deluxe-Collectors-Edition-Box-Set (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Deluxe-Collectors-Edition-Box-Set)
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I'm OK with Bridges in the sky. It's actually a normal sounding name, whereas The Shaman's trance sounded just like WTF.
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Looks like it is confirmed as Bridges in the Sky.
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Deluxe-Collectors-Edition-Box-Set (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Deluxe-Collectors-Edition-Box-Set)
Do people seriously believe that after releasing an official track listing that Dream theater would go ahead and rename one of the songs then only tell play.com about it??
Yes!
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As I said, I'm fine with both of the song titles.
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I'm OK with Bridges in the sky. It's actually a normal sounding name, whereas The Shaman's trance sounded just like WTF.
That article also seems to confirm that there are no instrumentals on the album.
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Well! They might've just bunged BITS! onto the instrumental CD to give it the same flow as the album. Bit like how if they made an instrumental CD of Train of Thought, you wouldn't leave out Stream of Consciousness.
(I'm writing BITS with an exclamation mark, by the way. So it looks like it might be a musical about bits.)
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Seeing as we now have 3 songs AND the cover art dealing with the sky/heaven, the music better be absolutely transcendent.
*currently trying to deflate my SFAM-level expectations*
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I'm OK with Bridges in the sky. It's actually a normal sounding name, whereas The Shaman's trance sounded just like WTF.
That article also seems to confirm that there are no instrumentals on the album.
What article?
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So I guess this confirms that they officially changed it to Bridges in the Sky
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Deluxe-Collectors-Edition-Box-Set?partner=roadrunner
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So I guess this confirms that they officially changed it to Bridges in the Sky
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Deluxe-Collectors-Edition-Box-Set?partner=roadrunner
In my opinion, that makes it more likely, but it still doesn't necessarily confirm it. Yes, it's easy for the band to change a song name or make other changes at the 11th hour. But it is also easy (and commonplace) for a label and/or distributor to send out erroneous information that gets perpetuated by all the retail sites selling the album. Even on Roadrunner's own site, the people handing the pre-order on the website aren't necessarily in direct contact with the people who are working directly on the album, so it's not unlikely that it is still just a mistake. I wouldn't necessarily jump to conclusions one way or the other until we get an actual confirmation. I posted a thread on James' forum. Hopefully, he'll see it and respond.
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Its always possible these outlets are reporting old information... maybe they renamed Bridges in the Sky to The Shaman's Trance and some people didn't get the memo? Maybe Bridges in the Sky is the old name ;)
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According to https://dreamtheater.warnerartists.net/en
The Shamans Trance is listed again and that site is linked from the RR page (UK orders)
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when the album comes out, i think when everyone on dtf is listening to TST/BITS for the first time, we'll all be on the edges of our seats waiting to hear if james comes in or not.
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...we'll all be on the edges of our seats waiting to hear if james comes in or not.
Not really, no.
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https://twitter.com/#!/Piratecjs
"Hey Everyone, Yes 'Bridges in the Sky' is in fact Shaman's. Make a note of it and enjoy while listening. Although you'll have to wait a bit"
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...we'll all be on the edges of our seats waiting to hear if james comes in or not.
Not really, no.
damn you, ruining my plot to take over dtf
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So, wait... which one's the correct name? Is Bridges now called The Shaman's Trance, or is Bridges the new identity of The Shaman's Trance?
I'd presume, from the phrasing, that Shaman's is the current title, probably? I'm more confused than before, to be honest. :lol
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TST is now called BITS. now can forget TST and it's shitty iron maiden ripoff title
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So, wait... which one's the correct name? Is Bridges now called The Shaman's Trance, or is Bridges the new identity of The Shaman's Trance?
I'd presume, from the phrasing, that Shaman's is the current title, probably? I'm more confused than before, to be honest. :lol
That was my exact response as well:
So wait, which one is the real title?
THANKS JAMES THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL
:P
:lol
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:lolpalm: piratefail
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Hahahahaha, ohhhh James. I do love that the clear-up was "yep! Bridges and Shaman's are track five, alright!" I hope we never get a title. This is one of the most brilliantly weird fan-disputes yet.
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He's clearly screwing with us now. :lol Love it.
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I want to listen to the song on release day and still have no idea what it's called.
In fact, what I want right now is for a completely different title to appear on Amazon. And then for CJS to announce that "The Sleeping Dragon is the same song as Bridges in the Sky and The Shaman's Trance. Hope this clears everything up!" Titles for everyone!
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I think the fact that "The Shaman's Trance" was revealed first and "Bridges In The Sky" second probably means the latter title is right, if you go by CJS' wording on his tweet.
https://twitter.com/#!/Piratecjs
"Hey Everyone, Yes 'Bridges in the Sky' is in fact Shaman's. Make a note of it and enjoy while listening. Although you'll have to wait a bit"
It's like saying "Yes, 'Learning To Live' is in fact Creep With Tonality". You affirm that the new title is what the old one was.
-Marc.
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Not necessarily.
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I think the fact that "The Shaman's Trance" was revealed first and "Bridges In The Sky" second probably means the latter title is right, if you go by CJS' wording on his tweet.
https://twitter.com/#!/Piratecjs
"Hey Everyone, Yes 'Bridges in the Sky' is in fact Shaman's. Make a note of it and enjoy while listening. Although you'll have to wait a bit"
It's like saying "Yes, 'Learning To Live' is in fact Creep With Tonality". You affirm that the new title is what the old one was.
-Marc.
That was the way I read it first, but then I read it again, and decided that actually*, "in fact" implies that what follows is correct. In the same way "actually" did just then. Like, "Superman is in fact just Clark Kent with his glasses off." (Spoilers, there, by the way.)
I think it probably is called Bridges in the Sky, now, but I think the mighty Pirate's tweet implies the opposite, if anything. Which I really like. I love the ambiguity. :lol
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Takes me back to "Revenge of the Jedi" -> "Return of the Jedi"
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My head hurts...
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I think the fact that "The Shaman's Trance" was revealed first and "Bridges In The Sky" second probably means the latter title is right, if you go by CJS' wording on his tweet.
https://twitter.com/#!/Piratecjs
"Hey Everyone, Yes 'Bridges in the Sky' is in fact Shaman's. Make a note of it and enjoy while listening. Although you'll have to wait a bit"
It's like saying "Yes, 'Learning To Live' is in fact Creep With Tonality". You affirm that the new title is what the old one was.
-Marc.
That was the way I read it first, but then I read it again, and decided that actually*, "in fact" implies that what follows is correct. In the same way "actually" did just then. Like, "Superman is in fact just Clark Kent with his glasses off." (Spoilers, there, by the way.)
I think it probably is called Bridges in the Sky, now, but I think the mighty Pirate's tweet implies the opposite, if anything. Which I really like. I love the ambiguity. :lol
Not to ruin the fun, but if it wasn't called BITS!, then he would have said so explicitly. By not denying it's called BITS!, he is thereby agreeing with the new name's spot in place of TST!.
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But the RR pre-order page has changed it back to The Shaman's Trance ..? I'm confused https://dreamtheater.warnerartists.net/en/a-dramatic-turn-of-events.html
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I posted a thread on James' forum. Hopefully, he'll see it and respond.
I sent him a message on Twitter earlier today asking the same thing (before I saw your post). I guess we should feel acknowledged! Nevertheless, I just messaged him again and asked him to clarify his last tweet.
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There's a horribly horrible misunderstanding with this song. It's almost as bad as "Static Pulse" (by JLB) vs. "Static Impulse" (by Matt) back then.
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But the RR pre-order page has changed it back to The Shaman's Trance ..? I'm confused https://dreamtheater.warnerartists.net/en/a-dramatic-turn-of-events.html
It's always been The Shaman's Trance on the UK pre-order. And always been Bridges in the Sky on the US pre-order.
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But the RR pre-order page has changed it back to The Shaman's Trance ..? I'm confused https://dreamtheater.warnerartists.net/en/a-dramatic-turn-of-events.html
It's always been The Shaman's Trance on the UK pre-order. And always been Bridges in the Sky on the US pre-order.
B-side!
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I just got word from Dream Theater. The official name of the song is:
The Shaman Walking Across Bridges In the Sky While in a Trance
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^^
Here are the grades for your post:
Originality: F
Coolness: F
Lameness: A
Comedy: F
Bold Format: F
Math: C-
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Math: I
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i think the song is called BITS, not TST, coz james said the whole name "bridges in the sky" but only the word "shaman", as if it isn't important that we know the shaman one now
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what if this is the least best song on the album?
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Then the album will be awesome.
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I dont know if it was brought up before, but does this make you think it could be an instrumental, because if it wasnt there'd have to be something in the chorus involving shaman's or bridges :P so idk it sounds like this could be an instrumental because with an instrumental it could be easier to change the name of a song
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Yeah, quite a lot of people already think it is an instrumental :)
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[/quote]It's always been The Shaman's Trance on the UK pre-order. And always been Bridges in the Sky on the US pre-order.
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Maybe its a Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone release thing.
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It's "Bridges in the Sky." James said, "TAKE NOTE OF IT," which usually implies something has been changed. If it were still "Shaman's Trance," he would have said.... "The song is still called Shaman's Trance" or something..... but, most likely wouldn't have added, "TAKE NOTE OF IT," because that wouldn't have been in context since we already have "taken note" of that title already.
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JP wrote the lyrics for what was originally titled Shamans' but there was a line in the song that says Bridges in the Sky hence the new name
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lolinstrumental.
Well, I guess it looks like ADTOE will not have an instrumental on it.
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JP wrote the lyrics for what was originally titled Shamans' but there was a line in the song that says Bridges in the Sky hence the new name
"...there was a line in the song..."
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JP wrote the lyrics for what was originally titled Shamans' but there was a line in the song that says Bridges in the Sky hence the new name
"...there was a line in the song..."
ahh... fuel the speculation
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From James via Twitter:
"JP wrote the lyrics for what was originally titled Shamans' but there was a line in the song that says Bridges in the Sky hence the new name"
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lolinstrumental.
Well, I guess it looks like ADTOE will not have an instrumental on it.
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It's always been The Shaman's Trance on the UK pre-order. And always been Bridges in the Sky on the US pre-order.
Maybe its a Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone release thing.
:lol
JLBs first tweet also left me more confused than ever. I hope this becomes the greatest fan speculation in DT history.
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Heh, when I heard about the name change I was giggling that the lyrics probably have the phrase "Bridges In The Sky" in the first line. That would follow the style of TCOT / OTBOA quite nicely. Maybe that is even a new DT policy now that the lyric rule is gone?
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New Tracklist:
01.On The Backs Of Angels
02.Build Me Up, Break Me Down
03.Lost Not Forgotten
04.This Is The Life
05. . . .
06.Outcry
07.Far From Heaven
08.Breaking All Illusions
09.Beneath The Surface
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It's over, people.
The name changed from Shaman's to Bridges in the Sky.
Deal with it.
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So this means...FOUR songs start with the letter B. :omg: nugget!
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So this means...FOUR songs start with the letter B. :omg: nugget!
Hey, Bosk starts with B too! :D
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:bosky:
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:lalalalinc:
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lolinstrumental.
Well, I guess it looks like ADTOE will not have an instrumental on it.
Yeah, seems like it. I don't really mind it, though. The most recent instrumentals, Raw Dog, SOC and TDOE don't really rank high in my book.
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dunno if someone already posted this tweet by JLB
"JP wrote the lyrics for what was originally titled Shamans' but there was a line in the song that says Bridges in the Sky hence the new name"
well it's definitely not an instrumental then :( even though, it may still have an instrumental section like metropolis pt 1 or something
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oh it has been posted lol. sorry guyz :facepalm:
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well im glad shaman isnt the name anymore. seemed pretty lame
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well im glad shaman isnt the name anymore.
Or IS IT?
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
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Thank goodness for the change.
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
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I'm guessing he wrote Outcry, and possibly Lost Not Forgotten. Those are kinda LaBrie sounding names.
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Bit late to the party, but hurrah! "BITS!: The Musical" it is!
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Bits late to the party, but hurrah! "BITS!: The Musical" it is!
FTFY.
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lolinstrumental.
Well, I guess it looks like ADTOE will not have an instrumental on it.
Of course, because you know for sure, right?
::)
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Honestly, the fact that they have a non-instrumental that was originally titled something like 'The Shaman's Trance' is more interesting to me than if it had been an instrumental.
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This Is The Life sounds like a JLB tune, but than again so did On The Back's of Angels
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For me, the lyrics in OTBOA had a JP vibe to them right away. I do agree that This Is the Life sounds like a JLB tune.
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Bridges in the Sky is a much better song title.
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I love how I created this thread in the hopes of speculating how the song will sound... and instead we got a discussion over the name of the song.
:(
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DTF: Derailing Threads Forever.
Sorry, Samara.
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Well BITS does fit the album and cover.
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Well BITS does fit the album and cover.
I agree completely. I guess that's why I am drawn to the song once again. Although, I may put it on my iPod as The Shaman's Trance. I liked that title as well.
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I love how I created this thread in the hopes of speculating how the song will sound... and instead we got a discussion over the name of the song.
:(
How did you think this was not bound to happen?
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Well, for all we know Far From Heaven or Outcry could be instrumentals.
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Well, for all we know Far From Heaven or Outcry could be instrumentals.
That'd be funny.
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It really would be kinda funny if 'Outcry' had no vocals.
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It really would be kinda funny if 'Outcry' had no vocals.
It's not that it has no vocals, it's just JMX taking his shot at the mic.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
Source(s) for other lyricist please? Sorry, I don't have time to follow every little development, so I tend to miss things.
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Source(s) for other lyricist please? Sorry, I don't have time to follow every little development, so I tend to miss things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_Of_Events#Track_listing
The sources are cited there, from various interviews with the band.
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Source(s) for other lyricist please? Sorry, I don't have time to follow every little development, so I tend to miss things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_Of_Events#Track_listing
The sources are cited there, from various interviews with the band.
WRT Build Me Up, Break Me Down - I know it's maybe a little unlikely, but is "John Petrucci had some very specific ideas about how Build Me Up, Break Me Down should be recorded" really the same as "John Petrucci wrote the lyrics to it?" It could just be a very unorthodox song musically, and so he wanted to put a slightly different spin on James LaBrie's lyrics.
I know, I know - probability says it was him, not only 'cause he's the most prolific, but also 'cause you're more likely to have specific visions of your own material, so chances are he did write the song - but on the other hand, he's producer. It's his job to have very specific ideas about how the music should be recorded. Maybe James wrote the lyrics and Petrucci went "that'd sound good as a round?"
Doesn't prove that he wrote them, just that he produced them. That's a dead fair guess at why he was so keen to produce BMUBMD in particular, and I'd be surprised if he hadn't written it, but I think, as evidence, it's sort of putting two and two together and making 4.5. As in, not miles off, but I couldn't possibly tell you where the 0.5 came from if I tried.
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Source(s) for other lyricist please? Sorry, I don't have time to follow every little development, so I tend to miss things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_Of_Events#Track_listing
The sources are cited there, from various interviews with the band.
WRT Build Me Up, Break Me Down - I know it's maybe a little unlikely, but is "John Petrucci had some very specific ideas about how Build Me Up, Break Me Down should be recorded" really the same as "John Petrucci wrote the lyrics to it?" It could just be a very unorthodox song musically, and so he wanted to put a slightly different spin on James LaBrie's lyrics.
I know, I know - probability says it was him, not only 'cause he's the most prolific, but also 'cause you're more likely to have specific visions of your own material, so chances are he did write the song - but on the other hand, he's producer. It's his job to have very specific ideas about how the music should be recorded. Maybe James wrote the lyrics and Petrucci went "that'd sound good as a round?"
Doesn't prove that he wrote them, just that he produced them. That's a dead fair guess at why he was so keen to produce BMUBMD in particular, and I'd be surprised if he hadn't written it, but I think, as evidence, it's sort of putting two and two together and making 4.5. As in, not miles off, but I couldn't possibly tell you where the 0.5 came from if I tried.
Considering JLB recorded his vocals on his own without the others' help, aside from BMUBMD, I think it's fair to believe that JP wrote the lyrics for it if he wanted to have very specific ideas about the direction of the vocal parts.
-Marc.
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
I think it has been confirmed he wrote lyrics. In a perfect world, all the rest of these would be JLB lyrics. Imagine that, he has never contributed more than two lyrics on an album (6DOIT and 8V). I guess I would settle for 3.
Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, and Outcry really have a JLB vibe to the title. Even Far From Heaven kind of has that vibe but I could see that being a JP lyric.
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
I think it has been confirmed he wrote lyrics. In a perfect world, all the rest of these would be JLB lyrics. Imagine that, he has never contributed more than two lyrics on an album (6DOIT and 8V). I guess I would settle for 3.
Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, and Outcry really have a JLB vibe to the title. Even Far From Heaven kind of has that vibe but I could see that being a JP lyric.
Well, in a perfect wrold, they'd all be JM lyrics.
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Well, in a perfect wrold, they'd all be JM lyrics.
This is something I most definitely agree with.
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Psh...in a perfect world they'd be split evenly. Even though JP gets a bit more than his fair share, he still has some killer lyrics. But honestly I like JLB lyrics as much as JM even though I will admit I'm more eager to hear JM's since we haven't got any original stuff from him since FII (since Fatal Tragedy still had to fit an outline chosen by others)
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
I think it has been confirmed he wrote lyrics. In a perfect world, all the rest of these would be JLB lyrics. Imagine that, he has never contributed more than two lyrics on an album (6DOIT and 8V). I guess I would settle for 3.
Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, and Outcry really have a JLB vibe to the title. Even Far From Heaven kind of has that vibe but I could see that being a JP lyric.
Well, in a perfect wrold, they'd all be JM lyrics.
No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
I think it has been confirmed he wrote lyrics. In a perfect world, all the rest of these would be JLB lyrics. Imagine that, he has never contributed more than two lyrics on an album (6DOIT and 8V). I guess I would settle for 3.
Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, and Outcry really have a JLB vibe to the title. Even Far From Heaven kind of has that vibe but I could see that being a JP lyric.
Well, in a perfect wrold, they'd all be JM lyrics.
No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
In a perfecter world, they'd be KM lyrics.
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No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
Haha nice! I wonder who else will get that.
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No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
Haha nice! I wonder who else will get that.
Clever stuff.
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I'm just wondering if the change in title ("The Shaman's Trance" to "Bridges in the Sky") had anything to do with the negative reception that the title got from fans.
Of course, this probably isn't the case; DT surely wouldn't care about what fans have to say about the title of a song that none of them have even heard yet, but I still find it a bit strange that the title that got criticized the most also happens to be the title that gets changed prior to release.
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I'm just wondering if the change in title ("The Shaman's Trance" to "Bridges in the Sky") had anything to do with the negative reception that the title got from fans.
Of course, this probably isn't the case; DT surely wouldn't care about what fans have to say about the title of a song that none of them have even heard yet, but I still find it a bit strange that the title that got criticized the most also happens to be the title that gets changed prior to release.
They probably didn't need the fans to know that it was a weird title. There's a reason the song's name got criticized, the band members probably felt the same way too.
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No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
Haha nice! I wonder who else will get that.
I don't get it :(
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
I think it has been confirmed he wrote lyrics. In a perfect world, all the rest of these would be JLB lyrics. Imagine that, he has never contributed more than two lyrics on an album (6DOIT and 8V). I guess I would settle for 3.
Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, and Outcry really have a JLB vibe to the title. Even Far From Heaven kind of has that vibe but I could see that being a JP lyric.
Well, in a perfect wrold, they'd all be JM lyrics.
No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
I dunno, in a perfect world I'd love for them all to be Johnny Myung lyrics.
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So how many songs did James write the lyrics to? That's the real question.
Well as far as we know there's only 4 more songs with unknown lyricists. So he could have written anything between 0 and 4 songs. Take your pick:
3. "Lost Not Forgotten"
4. "This is the Life"
6. "Outcry"
7. "Far from Heaven"
Do we know for sure that JLB wrote at least one song? I don't think its ever been confirmed, only speculated. My bet is on Outcry.
I think it has been confirmed he wrote lyrics. In a perfect world, all the rest of these would be JLB lyrics. Imagine that, he has never contributed more than two lyrics on an album (6DOIT and 8V). I guess I would settle for 3.
Lost Not Forgotten, This is the Life, and Outcry really have a JLB vibe to the title. Even Far From Heaven kind of has that vibe but I could see that being a JP lyric.
Well, in a perfect wrold, they'd all be JM lyrics.
No. In a perfect world, they'd all be MM lyrics.
I dunno, in a perfect world I'd love for them all to be Johnny Myung lyrics.
I would prefer an album of Kevvie Moore lyrics, or even just a guest song, featuring him, a la Elton John. Or maybe even better, a KM/JM duet. Penned by Derek.
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I agree. Kevvie Moore is such a perfect lyricist.
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So the August 1st press release confirms the title change of track five.
Have we confirmed any reasons why yet?
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What is the August 1st press release?
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https://dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#natourdates
Scroll down past the tour dates and there's a tracklisting, and it includes Bridges in the Sky as track 5.
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" . . . please note that the title of track five has changed from the previously announced version."
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" . . . please note that the title of track five has changed from the previously announced version."
Yeah, CJS confirmed it for us, via Twitter, a couple weeks ago when pre-orders for ADTOE turned up on various websites, then on RR's own store.
-Marc.
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So the August 1st press release confirms the title change of track five.
Have we confirmed any reasons why yet?
It was changed based on the lyrics.
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Anyone know if JP has stated where he got inspiration for the song?
Did he actual have a psychedelic experience, or is he just talking about it from a point of interest?
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I love this song. Don't play much else off the album (really enjoy Beneath The Surface) but this is a cracker.
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What a massive bump. This really took me back. :heart
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This song is a rollercoaster, with a massive intro and splendid choruses, I love it !
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Anyone know if JP has stated where he got inspiration for the song?
Did he actual have a psychedelic experience, or is he just talking about it from a point of interest?
I don't know, but JP doesn't strike me as a person who would partake in the sort of powerful plant medicines the song may be hinting at. My guess is that he'd gotten aware of the booming global interest in psychedelic ceremonies at the time, did some research and wrote the lyrics based on that.
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Yeah, I also doubt he did it himself. But since the song is so spot on to what I experienced, I was curious.
But now this song has a whole new level of appreciation for me. The lyrics resonate far more deeply.