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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 21, 2011, 03:13:47 PM
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It seems like alot of people here dislike this song, mainly because it's too long.
Repentance is in my top 25 DT songs, and It's probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite from the 12 step suite.
I just love the feel and tooooooonneeee of Repentance.
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Best song on a mediocre album.
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It's a little drawn out, but I like it and it has an excellent guitar solo. One of two highlight tracks from SC, and I agree probably 2nd or 3rd best of the AA songs.
-J
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Yeah, my SC list goes like this:
Repentance
In The Presence of Enemies
Ministry of Lost Souls
The Dark Eternal Night
Prophets of War
Constant Motion
Forsaken
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I was just about to post something about Repentance and then I found this and decided to just reply.
Does anyone else hear what seems to be MP going "doo... doo... doo... doo.." throughout the part where everyone is talking? The more high quality the file is, the easier it is to hear it, but it's definitely there.
Does anyone know what that's about?
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I was just about to post something about Repentance and then I found this and decided to just reply.
Does anyone else hear what seems to be MP going "doo... doo... doo... doo.." throughout the part where everyone is talking? The more high quality the file is, the easier it is to hear it, but it's definitely there.
Does anyone know what that's about?
Hmmm.....I don't hear it, but I'm not that great at catching stuff like that.
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One of the best songs off of Systematic Chaos, absolutely love it. Great feel, great atmosphere, and that dirty bass sound is just gorgeous
I was just about to post something about Repentance and then I found this and decided to just reply.
Does anyone else hear what seems to be MP going "doo... doo... doo... doo.." throughout the part where everyone is talking? The more high quality the file is, the easier it is to hear it, but it's definitely there.
Does anyone know what that's about?
lol interesting... I'll have to check that out
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Using a semi-accoustic-sounding picked version of the TDS riff: Really cool.
JP solo: Really cool.
Spoken word section: Really cool.
Atmosphere: Really cool.
And yet, somehow when you put it all together, the song still manages to fall completely flat. As I said about it in another thread: "really good song, but is far too one-dimensional for how long it is. ...or is far too long for how one-dimensional it is. Either way." SC would be a truly amazing album without PoW, Repentence, and TMOLS.
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I was just about to post something about Repentance and then I found this and decided to just reply.
Does anyone else hear what seems to be MP going "doo... doo... doo... doo.." throughout the part where everyone is talking? The more high quality the file is, the easier it is to hear it, but it's definitely there.
Does anyone know what that's about?
Hmmm.....I don't hear it, but I'm not that great at catching stuff like that.
I heard the song a million times before noticing it. It starts becoming very audible at 6:33. It is slightly panned to the left. It continues until 6:51 after fading to the right.
They are just short doo's on the main beat. It's even on pitch with the key of the song.
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Using a semi-accoustic-sounding picked version of the TDS riff: Really cool.
JP solo: Really cool.
Spoken word section: Really cool.
Atmosphere: Really cool.
And yet, somehow when you put it all together, the song still manages to fall completely flat. As I said about it in another thread: "really good song, but is far too one-dimensional for how long it is. ...or is far too long for how one-dimensional it is.
I feel the same way.
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One of the best songs on SC easily.
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Using a semi-accoustic-sounding picked version of the TDS riff: Really cool.
JP solo: Really cool.
Spoken word section: Really cool.
Atmosphere: Really cool.
And yet, somehow when you put it all together, the song still manages to fall completely flat. As I said about it in another thread: "really good song, but is far too one-dimensional for how long it is. ...or is far too long for how one-dimensional it is. Either way." SC would be a truly amazing album without PoW, Repentence, and TMOLS.
Never been a big fan of this album. Probably my 2nd least favorite, having When Dream And Day Unite in last place. It's not bad, but there are too many weak song IMO. The Ministry of Lost Souls seems a bit dragged out, PoW has a cool feel, but nothing spectacular. Constant Motion is decent, and the instrumental section is awesome. Also, I don't find Forsaken that amazing. Seems a little dull to me. The only songs that really stand out to me are Repentance and ITPOE.
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The first half is amazing IMO, but the second half is just ok. I like the vocal clips, but MP's spoken section is really bad. The vocal harmonies during the second half are pretty cool, but drag on a minute or two too long. I like the ending though, very chilling...The Letter M mixed a really cool transition from Repentance to The Shattered Fortress that sounds positively epic, and I really mean epic.
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The first half is amazing IMO, but the second half is just ok. I like the vocal clips, but MP's spoken section is really bad. The vocal harmonies during the second half are pretty cool, but drag on a minute or two too long. I like the ending though, very chilling...The Letter M mixed a really cool transition from Repentance to The Shattered Fortress that sounds positively epic, and I really mean epic.
The end of Repentance and the beginning of TSF is awesome. Someone on youtube made an awesome transition.
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In the past I wasn't a fan but recently I've been diggin it more. :tup
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In the past I wasn't a fan but recently I've been diggin it more. :tup
Yeah same here. I think it's a good song to relax to :chill :millahhhh :sadpanda: :hat
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I love the mood of the song, its very interesting. Depending on my mood, it could sometimes feel a bit long for what it is. However, at other times, when I listen to it I feel that I wouldn't have made the song any other way.
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Shares the position as best 12 step song with TGP for me. One of the best songs on SC as well. Love the feel and general atmosphere in there. And length-wise it's just perfect (imho), would not change it in any way.
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I think JP's solo saves the song. Overall, it's ok but doesn't really stand out amongst the rest of the album.
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One of the songs on SC that I like a lot.
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One of best JP's solos. I really enjoy it. But the song ends for me after the solo.
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on first listening i didn't like it because i thought it was an uninspired rehash of old dt material. as i listened to it more and more though, i began to appreciate it, and eventually it became my fav of the album.
on a side note - bizkit, how many *appreciation* threads are threads u goin start? lol
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on first listening i didn't like it because i thought it was an uninspired rehash of old dt material. as i listened to it more and more though, i began to appreciate it, and eventually it became my fav of the album.
on a side note - bizkit, how many *appreciation*threads are threads u goin start? lol
Lol..I don't know.
How ever many more are necessary!
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It's one of the better songs on SC, but it's the worst song in the Twelve-Step Suite, IMO. I'd like it better if the end didn't drag on so long. But I agree that going from the end of Repentance to the beginning of TSF is epic. I'm still holding out hope that DT will release a full version of the Twelve-Step or perhaps play the whole thing live, with transitions linking the songs, though I seriously doubt it will ever happen now that MP's gone.
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I think it's an amazing song. It's only flaw is that the end draws on for far too long, considering it's pretty much the same piece of music that just repeats itself for a few minutes.
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My least Fav. on SC :( Too long and drawn out for my tastes. It really sucked because up till that point the 12 step suite was really working for me.
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My least Fav. on SC :( Too long and drawn out for my tastes. It really sucked because up till that point the 12 step suite was really working for me.
:omg:
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i have to be in the right mood to listen to it
(https://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd212/LappySais/EMOTICONS/penguin.gif?t=1242015698)
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
:|
:rollin
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
:|
:rollin
I wasn't kidding.
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
Better than Octavarium?
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
Better than Octavarium?
Yes.
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
Better than Octavarium?
Interesting! :hat
Yes.
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Probably DT's best song since 6DOIT.
Yea, I went there.
Better than Octavarium?
Yes.
Now...this is just Crazy Talk!!!! :omg:
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I don't consider 8vm to be the magnum opus everyone else does. I like it, mostly the flute intro, the outro solo and so forth, but it's still not the godsend that I've been told it is.
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Repentance is very good up until the voice sample section. Then it drags too much. But all in all it's a worthwhile song and I like it better than The Shattered Fortress.
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Really good song. Definitely the best song on an otherwise average SC, and definitely the 2nd best 12-step song (just barely better than The Shattered Fortress, but not as good as The Glass Prison). I think the long finish works perfectly.
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Same here
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I don't consider 8vm to be the magnum opus everyone else does. I like it, mostly the flute intro, the outro solo and so forth, but it's still not the godsend that I've been told it is.
Yeah, I agree. I don't put it in front of songs like ACOS or LTL like many do. At the same time though...Repentance better than it is? I mean...yeah, we all have different tastes, but this would be like me saying You Not Me is better than Lines in the Sand :omg: ;D
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I don't consider 8vm to be the magnum opus everyone else does. I like it, mostly the flute intro, the outro solo and so forth, but it's still not the godsend that I've been told it is.
I'm with you, broheisen. It's a great song, but not quite as great as you'd think after spending some time here at good ol' DTF.
-J
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One of the best songs on SC easily.
Yep. Truly amazing atmosphere...
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Hell yeah! Crushing atmosphere. <3
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it's a different tune, very different than wat DT has done EVER!
but it's indeed to long that same riff tones over and over again bores me after a few minuts however the feel to the song is awesome.
and yes it's better than 8v, it's better than 8v the total record.
but it's not in my top 10 of dt songs.
did they hever play the 12 step live? i'm just thinking this ..as i dont think i have heard this song live anywhere or on a bootleg..
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Bumping to say I could listen to Myung play that dirty bass line of his in this song for hours.
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I enjoy the atmosphere. It really lets you feel the mindset in having to repent. The other artists coming in to say their wrongs was a nice idea. JR's subtle be-bot sounds and those subtle vocoder sounding "ow?" Sounds are cool.
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Would have been better had it not been part of the AA suite, IMHO. Because then it wouldn't have had that "confession" section which I really don't like (in my perception those confessions are pretty bogus, not very genuine).
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I'd say they are about 50/50.
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One of the best songs on DT's 2nd best album.
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Definitely a highlight of the album, one of the very few.
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Bumping to say I could listen to Myung play that dirty bass line of his in this song for hours.
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I love when he does the big tremolo slides down the neck. Badass.
I just listened to this song the other day. It's a great song, aside from just being a touch too long. Just cut out the speeches from other people, the low talking voice, and it's all good. :hat
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Truly amazing. It has a strong Steven Wilson and Opeth's Damnation vibe.
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This does seem to get shit on a lot more than other songs and I don't get it. Out of the 12 Step Suite it is definitely not the worst (TSF is) but I can see it not being everyones favorite with other strong songs to choose from.
I really love everything about this song EXCEPT some of the voice samples. Some of those people have kind of a weak speaking voice, especially the last person. I also thought having some of those people be so specific about their regrets was....too specific. Here is this grande song about regret and you hear somebody saying, "Sorry I didnt play at your wedding dude"
It doesnt ruin the song but if the quotes had been better it would be pretty much flawless
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This song is awesome!
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One of three reasons I don't much rate SC. I find the song rather boring. And it comes after CM and TDEN, both of which are also skippers for me, meaning SC goes from Forsaken to PoW. Shortest DT album and the weakest. The rest of the album is fine (PoW) to great (the rest).
I just find Repentance just rambles on without really going anywhere.
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This does seem to get shit on a lot more than other songs and I don't get it. Out of the 12 Step Suite it is definitely not the worst (TSF is) but I can see it not being everyones favorite with other strong songs to choose from.
I really love everything about this song EXCEPT some of the voice samples. Some of those people have kind of a weak speaking voice, especially the last person. I also thought having some of those people be so specific about their regrets was....too specific. Here is this grande song about regret and you hear somebody saying, "Sorry I didnt play at your wedding dude"
It doesnt ruin the song but if the quotes had been better it would be pretty much flawless
Well, MP couldve done his own regrets. I find it better he got others to do it, makes it feel like a group session. It drags after the samples and before.
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This does seem to get shit on a lot more than other songs and I don't get it. Out of the 12 Step Suite it is definitely not the worst (TSF is) but I can see it not being everyones favorite with other strong songs to choose from.
I really love everything about this song EXCEPT some of the voice samples. Some of those people have kind of a weak speaking voice, especially the last person. I also thought having some of those people be so specific about their regrets was....too specific. Here is this grande song about regret and you hear somebody saying, "Sorry I didnt play at your wedding dude"
It doesnt ruin the song but if the quotes had been better it would be pretty much flawless
Well, MP couldve done his own regrets. I find it better he got others to do it, makes it feel like a group session. It drags after the samples and before.
Guess I didn't think of that. Hmmm, maybe it'll make me appreciate it more. Gotta listen to it again to see.
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Would actually really appreciate more DT songs like this, with a focus on ambience and mood as opposed to busyness, heaviness or epicness.
Does anyone else hear what seems to be MP going "doo... doo... doo... doo.." throughout the part where everyone is talking? The more high quality the file is, the easier it is to hear it, but it's definitely there.
Does anyone know what that's about?
:lol Thanks for pointing it out... never noticed that before. Yeah, it's kinda weird.
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For a time, this was my "obsessive" DT song. The one I just listened to time after time. The chord progression in the final 3 minutes is wonderful. An oasis of calm in the Twelve Step Suite. By far and away my favourite song on SC.
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One of three reasons I don't much rate SC. I find the song rather boring. And it comes after CM and TDEN, both of which are also skippers for me, meaning SC goes from Forsaken to PoW. Shortest DT album and the weakest. The rest of the album is fine (PoW) to great (the rest).
I just find Repentance just rambles on without really going anywhere.
You may want to fix your sig now... :'(
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I also thought having some of those people be so specific about their regrets was....too specific. Here is this grande song about regret and you hear somebody saying, "Sorry I didnt play at your wedding dude"
I agree with this.
Great guitar solo in this song. One of the three songs I like from the 12 step suite.
-J
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I love the song. It's my second favorite off SC, after (pretty much obviously) ITPoE. The only part I don't like is the "aaaaaaaaaah" section near the end, but other than that it's a beautiful song. MP hit those lyrics spot on, and you don't see me complimenting MP's job frequently.
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The only part I don't like is the "aaaaaaaaaah" section near the end, but other than that it's a beautiful song. MP hit those lyrics spot on, and you don't see me complimenting MP's job frequently.
This ^ Repentence is actually the only one I really like of that album, together with The Dark Eternal Night :-X
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I love this song, the lyrics actually.
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The only part I don't like is the "aaaaaaaaaah" section near the end, but other than that it's a beautiful song. MP hit those lyrics spot on, and you don't see me complimenting MP's job frequently.
This ^ Repentence is actually the only one I really like of that album, together with The Dark Eternal Night :-X
That section I feel is what makes it drag.
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I love this song for all the reasons people dislike it. In my top 30 somewhere. I don't think it's too long.
In fact, I think the longness and repetition throughout the song is what makes it so good. It really sets the mood, and the repetition emphasizes this mood and atmosphere. The regrets section and the harmony section is mostly what I'm referring to. These sections are melancholic, but in a way that's almost uplifting.
The harmony section in particular is pretty intense, it's like you're drifitng in a sea of sorrow, regrets, and melancholy, and you're going deeper and deeper into the water as the song goes on. As you're listening you think "Woah, what have I been listening to for the last couple of minutes? This is intense." I think it's a powerful song in some ways.
Besides those few points, though, the guitar solo is one of JP's very best. Probably because it's one I can actually play ;) But it's really just beautiful. Great song on an ok album.
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Shame there's little to no chance of this song being played live for the foreseeable future. I would love to experience that solo section live.
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Shame there's little to no chance of this song being played live for the foreseeable future. I would love to experience that solo section live.
Agreed. I would love to see this live sometime.
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Shame there's little to no chance of this song being played live for the foreseeable future. I would love to experience that solo section live.
I wouldn't say there's little to no chance at all! They played TROAE on the ADTOE tour, so nothing from the 12SS is off limits, and I don't see any other strong reason DT wouldn't play it.
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Shame there's little to no chance of this song being played live for the foreseeable future. I would love to experience that solo section live.
I wouldn't say there's little to no chance at all! They played TROAE on the ADTOE tour, so nothing from the 12SS is off limits, and I don't see any other strong reason DT wouldn't play it.
I mainly meant because of the spoken word section in the middle. I don't think that section would really work live, and somehow I don't think the band does either, bearing in mind the only time they've played it was with Akerfeldt on stage. Also, the people featured in that section are mostly close musician friends of MP and, as has been mentioned in this thread already, most of the things they say are too "specific".
I realise that still doesn't rule it out entirely, I'm just trying to look at it from the band's point of view.
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Shame there's little to no chance of this song being played live for the foreseeable future. I would love to experience that solo section live.
I wouldn't say there's little to no chance at all! They played TROAE on the ADTOE tour, so nothing from the 12SS is off limits, and I don't see any other strong reason DT wouldn't play it.
I mainly meant because of the spoken word section in the middle. I don't think that section would really work live, and somehow I don't think the band does either, bearing in mind the only time they've played it was with Akerfeldt on stage. Also, the people featured in that section are mostly close musician friends of MP and, as has been mentioned in this thread already, most of the things they say are too "specific".
I realise that still doesn't rule it out entirely, I'm just trying to look at it from the band's point of view.
I'm not seeing a problem with any of that. The samples are specifically for the song, as is fitting. The only common thread is that they're making amends for regrets, but otherwise they're not that specific. I don't see any reason the band would have a problem with the samples any more than their other songs.
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Really good song. Definitely the best song on an otherwise average SC, and definitely the 2nd best 12-step song (just barely better than The Shattered Fortress, but not as good as The Glass Prison). I think the long finish works perfectly.
I quite agree with you Kev...
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This does seem to get shit on a lot more than other songs and I don't get it. Out of the 12 Step Suite it is definitely not the worst (TSF is) but I can see it not being everyones favorite with other strong songs to choose from.
I really love everything about this song EXCEPT some of the voice samples. Some of those people have kind of a weak speaking voice, especially the last person. I also thought having some of those people be so specific about their regrets was....too specific. Here is this grande song about regret and you hear somebody saying, "Sorry I didnt play at your wedding dude"
It doesnt ruin the song but if the quotes had been better it would be pretty much flawless
Well, MP couldve done his own regrets. I find it better he got others to do it, makes it feel like a group session. It drags after the samples and before.
I guess he could have, but having so many musical icons saying their regrets in a song about, well, repentance, is quite better in my opinion.
To be honest, I get chills every time Steven Wilson's regret comes up.
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What a beautiful song. Labrie is awesome here throughout and it's worth the ten minutes. Petrucci's solos give me chills every time and with that duality with Rudess is just amazing. I don't see why people would dislike this song. SC is a really strong album. At the end though, it is simply beautiful. The chorus of ahh's are very pleasing to the ear. If you close your eyes and listen to it, It can take you places you've never been before. At the end is really nice too. When Portnoy speaks, that part also givea me the very chills. The meaning is deep yet true. It is mysterious, haunting, the best in the suite and is the MOST different. I love this song very much.
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Yeah, one of DT's finest songs, and the best on the 12SS :P
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I'm glad you agree :tup
I really don't understand the hate....
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I'll keep my opinion to myself since this is clearly an appreciation thread :angel:
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I'll keep my opinion to myself since this is clearly an appreciation thread :angel:
XD
Dang it, I'm willing to know your opinion.
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I was just listening to this song on my ride to work this morning, lol. I was thinking what a powerful song this is, and possibly Portnoy's best moment lyrically in DT. It's definitely a highlight for me from Systematic Chaos, which I also find myself appreciating more as time goes on.
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I love the song. It has a very nice and chill melancholic atmosphere. Also it's musically somewhat a unique song in the band's discography. The only thing I don't really care about is the spoken word section. I understand the point of it though, so it doesn't bother too much.
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What a beautiful song. Labrie is awesome here throughout and it's worth the ten minutes. Petrucci's solos give me chills every time and with that duality with Rudess is just amazing. I don't see why people would dislike this song. SC is a really strong album. At the end though, it is simply beautiful. The chorus of ahh's are very pleasing to the ear. If you close your eyes and listen to it, It can take you places you've never been before. At the end is really nice too. When Portnoy speaks, that part also givea me the very chills. The meaning is deep yet true. It is mysterious, haunting, the best in the suite and is the MOST different. I love this song very much.
I agree with all of this. A recent re-listening of SC has made my opinion on the album overall much more positive.
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:tup
Repetance deserves a lot of :heart
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Since we're here to appreciate the song; my uncle and I covered it a while ago if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI)
Don't click if you can't handle the vocals in female voice xD
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Never could get into this song. I haven't listened to it in years, I always skip it. The rest of SC is great though!!
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Since we're here to appreciate the song; my uncle and I covered it a while ago if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI)
Don't click if you can't handle the vocals in female voice xD
Nice cover, Enalya!
I also took a look at your video called "Owl Griffin - Process". It's the first time I ever saw that sort of software in action. It blew my mind.
From there I got to one of your artwork collections. I also like Lindsey Stirling, and your 3-D artwork is really cool. Did you get any feedback from her?
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Since we're here to appreciate the song; my uncle and I covered it a while ago if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI)
Don't click if you can't handle the vocals in female voice xD
With all do respect to your uncle, I would love to hear you sing this with a properly recorded band version. Maybe get those split screen guys to do it with you singing? I really loved your approach to it.
Also this is my favorite song on SC. I really love this song actually. All of it. Ending at all. Actually, not all of it, the effect on MP's speaking voice is a bit silly.
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Since we're here to appreciate the song; my uncle and I covered it a while ago if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5audgoVYETI)
Don't click if you can't handle the vocals in female voice xD
Nice cover, Enalya!
I also took a look at your video called "Owl Griffin - Process". It's the first time I ever saw that sort of software in action. It blew my mind.
From there I got to one of your artwork collections. I also like Lindsey Stirling, and your 3-D artwork is really cool. Did you get any feedback from her?
Wo thanks for the compliments and actually watching more vids ^^
Nope, I linked it a couple of times but I can understand she's really busy or won't even see it at all ö
With all do respect to your uncle, I would love to hear you sing this with a properly recorded band version. Maybe get those split screen guys to do it with you singing? I really loved your approach to it.
Also this is my favorite song on SC. I really love this song actually. All of it. Ending at all. Actually, not all of it, the effect on MP's speaking voice is a bit silly.
Aw thank you. 'Those split screen guys'? xD Or did I fail to notice the ones who cover DT are always the same guys?
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They're usually the same guys but with different singers. Just saying, you'd make an excellent next singer.
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They're usually the same guys but with different singers. Just saying, you'd make an excellent next singer.
I see, ty very much, I'll look into it : )
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I've had this song stuck in my head all day, particularly JP's solo. One of DT's most underrated songs in my opinion.
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I liked the song more when Akerfeldt sang it.
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Repentance has one of my favorite JP solos.
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I'm the opposite. I like all of the songs on SC EXCEPT this. It starts off great, but by the end with all the "ahhhhh" parts I'm done with it.
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Repentance has one of my favorite JP solos.
I was watching the making of SC video last night and noticed that it has JP doing the whole solo. Pretty awesome!
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Repentance has one of my favorite JP solos.
I was watching the making of SC video last night and noticed that it has JP doing the whole solo. Pretty awesome!
Yes! I do remember that, and thanks to you I think I'll watch that right now. :)
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I'm the opposite. I like all of the songs on SC EXCEPT this. It starts off great, but by the end with all the "ahhhhh" parts I'm done with it.
I actually think that's how it is for most people. The first two thirds are awesome, and the first few ahhhs are decent too, but after that it starts falling apart. Maybe they were shooting for a Pink Floyd type of drawn out, trance-like section, but it doesn't come together that way.
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I'm the opposite. I like all of the songs on SC EXCEPT this. It starts off great, but by the end with all the "ahhhhh" parts I'm done with it.
I actually really like that part. I love the whole mood it invokes.
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Definitely think it goes on too long.
The solo is great though.
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I think they could've shortened it a bit but not much.
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The problem with that part is the lack of buildup. The production (mastering) killed any dynamics on the album and this song suffers for it big time. If that final part started off really soft and crescendoed to the very end, it would've been awesome. But as it is, the whole thing is just one volume and it gets old fast.