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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: The Letter M on June 17, 2011, 02:01:52 AM
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So I've been listening to this live bootleg a LOT lately, and I have to say, it's one of the best official bootlegs by DT ever, and perhaps one of my favorite live shows by any prog band! It definitely ranks above some of DT's officially released live albums!
What I love most is that you get 11 out of 12 of the songs written during the IAW era (sadly enough, "Don't Look Past Me" was never done live), as well as 3 of the best tracks from WDADU!
The sound is amazing, and even though some of the performances were a bit shaky, it's an over-all great show and each member shows off like there was no next-show! Lots of energy and being a "home town" show, I'm sure they were well aware of how important such a show was to them and their fans! I'm also glad they got the audio to sound so damn good!
Anyways, this is for everyone to post their appreciation of this great show! If you don't have it, seek it out immediately! It is two hours of music that won't leave you high and dry, but actually whetting your appetite for more!
-Marc.
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Was listening to this well before it was ever officially released and always did love this show. Portnoy was smart to choose this as the one to end up representing that tour.
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Yeah it's a great show, haven't given it a spin for a while though actually - might have a listen again now.
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love it
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Yeah, I love that show as well, and it is quite played in my car. :lol
The original version of ACOS succeed in bringing an already awesome show to a much higher level of awesomeness. That song should really have been played more often on that tour...
Nick, if I am correct this show was featured in "The Dance Of Eternity" and some other bootlegs, right?
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Yes some of the 3/4/93 tracks appear on a two discuss bootleg called Dance of Eternity, not to get confused with the one disc bootleg of 5/18/93 also called Dance of Eternity (live in Buffalo).
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I don't have the Official Bootleg, but I've had this one for years. Simply fantastic.
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I have barely listened to this bootleg, I must give it a spin this weekend.
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I have the official bootleg and I love this concert. So good. :hefdaddy
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I actually prefer the screaming of "The Killing Hand" in this Official Bootleg than in the Live at the Marquee one.
As mentioned above, some songs are shaky like "Another Day". Vocally, 'Home Sweet Home' bootleg is the best live interpretation of that song.
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I actually prefer the screaming of "The Killing Hand" in this Official Bootleg than in the Live at the Marquee one.
As mentioned above, some songs are shaky like "Another Day". Vocally, 'Home Sweet Home' bootleg is the best live interpretation of that song.
Well, actually "Home Sweet Home" has the best live interpretation (vocally speaking) of every song that was played that night. :biggrin: Have you ever watched the LtL F# from that bootleg on youtube? It's just... :hefdaddy
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Yeah, I love that show as well, and it is quite played in my car. :lol
The original version of ACOS succeed in bringing an already awesome show to a much higher level of awesomeness. That song should really have been played more often on that tour...
Nick, if I am correct this show was featured in "The Dance Of Eternity" and some other bootlegs, right?
Yeah, that was the most common version of the show floating around.
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I actually prefer the screaming of "The Killing Hand" in this Official Bootleg than in the Live at the Marquee one.
As mentioned above, some songs are shaky like "Another Day". Vocally, 'Home Sweet Home' bootleg is the best live interpretation of that song.
Well, actually "Home Sweet Home" has the best live interpretation (vocally speaking) of every song that was played that night. :biggrin: Have you ever watched the LtL F# from that bootleg on youtube? It's just... :hefdaddy
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Just listening to this show again here at work and I'm amazed at it once more. I love the way that "Eve" (complete with samples) slowly fades out as "Pull Me Under" begins! And I LOVE JLB's screaming in it! Good stuff :metal
Also - WFS/LTL as the encore is ALWAYS wonderful, and this is a great performance of it from that tour, and I think, the only released performance of these two songs together from that tour...but I might be wrong.
-Marc.
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You aren't :)
Even though WFS is present on LiT, we have no official testimony of the countless times it was played back to back with Learning To Live.
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It features the best version of Eve, so that alone makes it worth a buy. Great show, one of the best that I've ever heard.
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It features the best version of Eve, so that alone makes it worth a buy. Great show, one of the best that I've ever heard.
Yes, it's by far the best show they had had at the time, and likely kept the position until the second Japanese leg during which LiT was filmed. To find another DT show that special, though, I think we would need to go forward in time until the Rotterdam club show in June 1998.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
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That's perhaps the best official bootleg for live shows, perhaps because it has pre-accident LaBrie. I love it.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
A thousand times, YES. This show, and the Old Bridge show are totally worth buying. The Old Bridge show features some '96 versions of FII songs, including "Burning My Soul", "Just Let Me Breathe" (which didn't change TOO much), "Lines In The Sand", and the amazing "Take Away My Pain" (best version of it ever), as well as some other great songs/performances.
-Marc.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
That's too much stuff. LOL.
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Time to fire this one up someday, have never heard it.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
That's too much stuff. LOL.
I mean, they're not really essentially DT listening. All the studio albums are going to be much more worthwhile purchases.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
That's too much stuff. LOL.
It's never enough!!!
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-Marc.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
That's too much stuff. LOL.
I mean, they're not really essentially DT listening. All the studio albums are going to be much more worthwhile purchases.
"STUDIO SERIES" only consists of SFAM and FII. I already have all the 'real' studio albums, I was asking more about stuff from the YtseJam catalog.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
This is a very good question. Here's my two cents:
- IAW DEMOS: To Get. Instrumental demo versions of the songs + songs left out sung by other autitionees (the JLB sung ones can be found elsewhere). Original version (longer) of PMU
- WDADRU: Absolutely To Get. The first album performed by the classic lineup, with many changes and improvements. Two encore songs (TLF and Metrpolis) with Charlie Dominici (both) and Derek Sherinian (Met)
- FII DEMOS: Must have. The album as it was first conceived to be. A 2CD release (like the IAW Demos) featuring songs that were later cut into pieces (Burning My Soul), left out or put on the shelves (Metropolis part II). A shining gem.
- Tokyo 95: To Get. An extremel strong 95 live performance, featuring many major songs like ACOS, LTL, Perfect Strangers, PMU, Surrounded. A stunning performance from James
- Bucharest: Absolutely to have. A great pro recording (DVD) of one of the best shows in 2002. You get Learning To Live, SDOIT, Lines In The Sand with a new chorus and an improved solo, Another Hand / The Killing Hand, and it features a second DVD with many great bonus features. A landmark.
These are the major ones for me.
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
That's too much stuff. LOL.
It's never enough!!!
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.853670909871.2197344.38000227&type=1&l=cf1e0a0bf1
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-Marc.
ROOKIE. Where's your LSFNY with the original cover?
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Sorry to sidetrack this discussion, I've never bought/listened to any of the 'official' ytsejam stuff ... what's worth getting other than the one mentioned here?
Get all the studio/live albums first. Then I'd recommend the Falling Into Infinity Demos, When Dream and Day Reunite, and this New York 1993 show.
That's too much stuff. LOL.
It's never enough!!!
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.853670909871.2197344.38000227&type=1&l=cf1e0a0bf1
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/542371_861311083901_1678906818_n.jpg)
:neverusethis:
-Marc.
ROOKIE. Where's your LSFNY with the original cover?
I don't collect variants, although I'm sure I could find one if I tried :laugh: :P
Besides, it was hard/expensive enough getting all the DTIFC's and singles. I also have a few other singles/selections-from CDs.
-Marc.
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That's impressive, okay? Here's mine:
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I don't collect variants, although I'm sure I could find one if I tried :laugh: :P
Besides, it was hard/expensive enough getting all the DTIFC's and singles. I also have a few other singles/selections-from CDs.
-Marc.
You sure as heck collect variants. Your LSFNY IS the variant!
:lol
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I don't collect variants, although I'm sure I could find one if I tried :laugh: :P
Besides, it was hard/expensive enough getting all the DTIFC's and singles. I also have a few other singles/selections-from CDs.
-Marc.
You sure as heck collect variants. Your LSFNY IS the variant!
:lol
:rollin TRUE! Yes, but it's not the rarer release, and I think of the more common covers as the regular edition, despite being the replacement/2nd-release. But that's about it... well, I do own 2 copies of ADTOE and BC&SL, mostly because I wanted to keep the Box Set versions together, and still have another single-CD set to keep with my other CDs, but that's more along the lines of duplicates, not variants.
-Marc.
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I don't collect variants, although I'm sure I could find one if I tried :laugh: :P
Besides, it was hard/expensive enough getting all the DTIFC's and singles. I also have a few other singles/selections-from CDs.
-Marc.
You sure as heck collect variants. Your LSFNY IS the variant!
:lol
:rollin TRUE! Yes, but it's not the rarer release, and I think of the more common covers as the regular edition, despite being the replacement/2nd-release. But that's about it... well, I do own 2 copies of ADTOE and BC&SL, mostly because I wanted to keep the Box Set versions together, and still have another single-CD set to keep with my other CDs, but that's more along the lines of duplicates, not variants.
-Marc.
I think I have both the LSFNY variants, though all my CD's are boxed away since we had a kid and didn't want her to pull the cd rack down or yank the CD's out so I imagine they're all in a box somewhere in one of the closets. Every now and then I think to myself "do I really have that?" and then get too lazy to unbox the CD's to find out.. sigh. Though I also need to pilfer through the boxes for a signed CD artwork from another band that I know I have and want to frame... blah.
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Are any of the cover series worth a darn?
:metal
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Are any of the cover series worth a darn?
:metal
I'd say The Dark Side Of The Moon, mostly because it's got the bonus disc A Saucerful of Floyd, which covers their various Pink Floyd covers over the years!
The compilation Uncovered 2003-2005 is pretty good too! Great selection of songs!
The others are good if you're into those bands' original songs. I'm not much into Iron Maiden or Metallica, but they're good albums nonetheless. The Deep Purple one is pretty good, too.
-Marc.
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You guys are so official :lol
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You guys are so official :lol
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Well I've only been a fan for less than a decade, and I'm not made of money :lol
Great collection, though! Nice stuff :tup I spot the Japanese release of LATM, which I recently got as well! Love the complete run of "Another Day"/"Another Hand"/"The Killing Hand".
-Marc.
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Ahahaha, well... I've been a fan for only four years... ;)
Besides that, not to disappoint, you, but my version of LATM is the perfectly regular one with Surrounded, bought in a regular store in the mall half a mile away from my home :D
I'm pretty proud of what is shown here, though. And of what is not explicitly shown too ;)
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Wow, James sure sounds weird on this one.
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Wow, James sure sounds weird on this one.
What do you mean? It's a slightly above average performance for the second US leg of the IaW tour. :laugh:
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His voice sounds different, fuller & deeper than on the studio albums from around the same time.
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His voice sounds different, fuller & deeper than on the studio albums from around the same time.
Well, James retained his studio voice for about one week of touring. Than something tragic happened due to fatigue, I gues, and he had to adapt. If that bugs you, I'm glad you didn't hear the May shows in Buffalo and Providence. Those two bug even me :lol
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Are any of the cover series worth a darn?
:metal
I'd say The Dark Side Of The Moon, mostly because it's got the bonus disc A Saucerful of Floyd, which covers their various Pink Floyd covers over the years!
The compilation Uncovered 2003-2005 is pretty good too! Great selection of songs!
The others are good if you're into those bands' original songs. I'm not much into Iron Maiden or Metallica, but they're good albums nonetheless. The Deep Purple one is pretty good, too.
-Marc.
The Darkside of The Moon cover is perfect. The best part is how great JR does on Any Colour You Like, thry play it better than PF does.
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You guys are so official :lol
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What are the bootlegs at the top right, one below that, and the Train of Thought 2003 bootleg 2 diagonally left-down from the top right?
Amazing collection by the way. :tup
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You guys are so official :lol
(https://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9822/dsc4583w.jpg)
What are the bootlegs at the top right, one below that, and the Train of Thought 2003 bootleg 2 diagonally left-down from the top right?
Amazing collection by the way. :tup
Madrid 2004 (Multiusos La Cubierta), Milwaukee 93 (June) (Lord Of Sound), and Frankfurt 04. I never listen to the last one anymore, for some reason.
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The original version of ACOS succeed in bringing an already awesome show to a much higher level of awesomeness. That song should really have been played more often on that tour...
No shit! I saw them 6 days later and you can fit the entire Boston show on one 80 minute CD!
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The original version of ACOS succeed in bringing an already awesome show to a much higher level of awesomeness. That song should really have been played more often on that tour...
No shit! I saw them 6 days later and you can fit the entire Boston show on one 80 minute CD!
Yeah! Those winter NA shows were quite short, actually.
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The original version of ACOS succeed in bringing an already awesome show to a much higher level of awesomeness. That song should really have been played more often on that tour...
No shit! I saw them 6 days later and you can fit the entire Boston show on one 80 minute CD!
Yeah! Those winter NA shows were quite short, actually.
Yeah, they played the entire I&W and AFIL and Ytse jam. That was it. In the October 92 show (which is the only show that I saw that I don't have a boot from..Marco!) we got the entire I&W, plus The Killing Hand, Ytse Jam, and Only A Matter Of Time. When they came back in December, they swapped out OAMOT for Oh Holy Night.
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You went to this (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=42) show? Holy shit, I would have payed to have a recording of it! Do you remember how was James that night? Three days before he was super awesome, two days later his voice was already halfway compromised for his vocal abuses on stage, I believe.
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Was listening to this well before it was ever officially released and always did love this show. Portnoy was smart to choose this as the one to end up representing that tour.
What he said!
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Just listened to it for the first time, it's definitely one of their best live albums (no that I've listened to them all). Such a classic setlist... The sound is good, at first hearing how loud Portnoy's kick was I thought it would give me a headache but it was very listenable. I haven't really picked up on all the differences with ACOS's 1995 studio version though, I'll have to listen to it again.
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I haven't really picked up on all the differences with ACOS's 1995 studio version though, I'll have to listen to it again.
Really? :huh: It's quite different from the first note alone, especially the whole intro, and the last instrumental section. The piece as a whole is missing the intro and outro guitar parts, and some of the lyrics are quite different as well.
I guess I just assume most fans on here are really familiar with ACOS as a whole, at least, enough to know how different the '93 version is from the EP version.
-Marc.
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I haven't really picked up on all the differences with ACOS's 1995 studio version though, I'll have to listen to it again.
The differences definitely aren't subtle. Maybe you're comparing the same track to itself?
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The thing is ACOS is the last Dream Theater release I've picked up so I'm far from knowing it perfectly, and I wasn't paying the utmost attention while listening to the NY live album. So of course it sounded a bit different but I expected a something more drastic.
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Give them both a closer listen. The intro to both songs is completely different.
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It'll certainly seem kinda different for someone who's very familiar with ACOS'95. But, most of the parts in the original version are still intact, just with a bit of development and variation. The intro being different stands out like sore thumb, and the outro of the original is different. Otherwise, it has the same structure. Going through all the seasons and whatnot.
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I gave it another listen and yeah, the intro is completely different, but I just don't know the studio version to pick up the rest of the differences. It's okay, it's just that I've often seen fans consider the studio version to be a complete betrayal of the early live versions, so I expected something huge.
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Personally I much prefer the studio version.... it is much more refined and balanced
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I gave it another listen and yeah, the intro is completely different, but I just don't know the studio version to pick up the rest of the differences. It's okay, it's just that I've often seen fans consider the studio version to be a complete betrayal of the early live versions, so I expected something huge.
I love the original version and there are some parts I wish they would have kept from it, but I love the newer version even more. That whole five minute intro before the vocals come in is one of my favorite Dream Theater musical moments. Hearing the low 'B' from Petrucci's guitar to start off the song is perfect.